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What is the second letter of "Ošuz" supposed to be? As encoded, it appears as the Icelandic/Old? English letter "eth", but I wasn't aware that this letter was used in Turkish. Perhaps your computer uses a non-ISO character set?

Nevermind, I found a good resource [here]. I'll add a paragraph about Turkish to the Wiki special characters page. --LDC

Good idea. This letter is named as soft G in Turkish. It is not possible to describe its pronunciation, because there is no sound like it in English. On the other hand it can not be pronounced alone without a concomitant vowel. It is half a vowel and half a consonent. You can imitate this sound, if you imagine how you gargle water in your throat. It also resembles R in the way French people pronounce it. --ErdemTuzun

Is there a standard way to anglicize the six problematic letters mentioned in Wiki special characters/Turkish? If so, please add that there--I know character sets well, but I don't know enough about the language to make appropriate recommendations.

I am not aware of a standard way. I'll look for it. But shortly, there are no easy ways for anglicizing the uppercase or lowercase letters g with breve accent and lowercase dotless i. Uppercase and lowercase s with cedilla are pronounced in the same way and it can be written as "sh" (like the last sound of English). Uppercase dotted i is simply pronounced like English letter "e".--ErdemTuzun

What does "all middle east" refer to - I would consider the Arabian Penninsula as part of the middle east but also iran, iraq, etc. How widespread did they get?

As I mentioned in Middle East article, this term is quite arbitrary and it may correspond to different countries. Seljuks had invaded Iran, all territories between present Turkey and Saudi Arabia (Iraq, Jordan, Israel, Syria etc.), and most of the Arabian peninsula (obviously they had not invaded the desert located in the middle of the peninsula, but had captured the cities around). Surely, the borders of the countries were not as strictly drawn as they are today and it is difficult to guess the exact territories of ancient civilizations. Therefore, there is an inconsistency about the southernmost cities of Arabian peninsula and some historical maps show these cities within the borders, while some does not. But, probably, ancient gigantic feudal empires were controlling territories located far beyond their official borders. Present Egypt was not under Seljuk control ErdemTuzun.

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