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(online in The American Society for Cell Biology's [http://cellimages.ascb.org/ Image & Video Library]) *[http://www.textbooksfree.org/Biology%20Internet%20Library.htm Biology Internet Library] - has a cellular biology section. == Meta == *[[Cell Biology/Authors]] {{Alphabetical|C}} {{Shelves|Cell biology}} {{status|50%}} 04clxg38fc5o8l4v2ny6yfoctlskb1m 4 385 4654200 4654164 2026-07-12T13:39:58Z Yamato Shiya 3500846 /* Earthinators */ Reply 4654200 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ [[Category:Wikibooks deletion|{{PAGENAME}}]] {{Discussion Rooms}} {{TOCleft}} {{shortcut|WB:RFD}} {{Requests for deletion/New deletion}} {{Requests for deletion/Deletion intro}} <!-- New deletion nominations go at the bottom of page. --> == [[Salute, Jonathan!]] and its translations == <div style="column-count: 7;"> * [[Salute, Jonathan!|Interlingue/Occidental]] ([[w:en:Occidental|w]], original) * [[Òla, Ionatà!|Audià]] * [[Holo, Jonathan!|Cristianés]] * [[Terve, Jonathan!|Ekumenski]] * [[Hej, Jonathan! (Germanisch)|Germanisch]] * [[Salom, Jonatan!|Globasa]] * [[Àlŏ, Jonathan!|Guosa]] ([[w:en:Guosa|w]]) * [[Salut, Jonathan!|Idiom Neutral]] ([[w:en:Idiom Neutral|w]]) * [[Saluto, Jonathan! (Ido)|Ido]] ([[w:en:Ido|w]]) * [[Hallo, Jonathan!|Interlingua]] ([[w:en:Interlingua|w]]) * [[Salut, Jonathan! (Interocidental)|Interocidental]] * [[Bune Ğonatan!|Lingaust]] * [[Oila, Jonatan!|Lingue Simple]] * [[Haloo, Jonatan!|Lingwa de Planeta]] ([[w:en:Lingwa de Planeta|w]]) * [[Sin Chao, Jonathan!|Masa Tang]] * [[Salut, ionatano!|Meteza]] * [[Salu, Jon!|Mini]] * [[Hay, Jonathan!|Mirad]] * [[Hai, Jon!|Monav]] * [[Sesan Jon!|Monkel]] * [[Salam, Jonathan!|Mundeze]] * [[Dag, Jonathan!|Negerhollands]] ([[w:en:Negerhollands|w]]) * [[Salut Jonathan!|Neo]] ([[w:en:Neo|w]]) * [[Hej, Jonathan!|Nordien]] * [[Saluto, Jonathan!|Novial]] ([[w:en:Novial|w]]) * [[Salute, Jonathan! (Novlingue)|Novlingue]] * [[Alo, Jonathan!|Numo]] * [[Hela, Jonathan!|Proyo]] * [[Salute, Jonathan! (Romanica)|Romanica]] ([[w:en:Romanica|w]]) * [[Simi, Jonathan!|Solresol]] ([[w:en:Solresol|w]]) * [[Toki a, jan Jonatan!|Toki Pona]] ([[w:en:Toki Pona|w]]) * [[Glidis, o Jonathan!|Volapük]] ([[w:en:Volapük|w]]) </div> There are a couple of issues here: # Beyond their introductions, all of these books are written in languages which are not English, making them out of scope for the English Wikibooks. # All but one of these books are in fact written in constructed languages, most of them in recently created conlangs. In some cases (e.g. [[Sin Chao, Jonathan!]]), I can't find any reliable sources describing the target language outside of the translation itself. # Most of the translations (i.e. other than [[Salute, Jonathan!]] itself) were abandoned within the first five or so chapters (out of 100); none of them are complete, and there seems to be little effort to complete any of them. While I recognize that this is an unusual project, and potentially one which could have some value, it's not at all clear to me that the English Wikibooks is the right place for it. — [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 00:24, 29 September 2024 (UTC) : I'm really not sure what to do about these ones. While I recognize that this approach is certainly one method of teaching a language, I'm not sure that it constitutes an educational textbook. We do require that the English Wikibooks be written in English—for language-learning books, this typically means that the instructional parts are in English while the exercises are in the language being taught. I do think that if the language doesn't have much supporting evidence outside the book itself, it can safely be deleted. — [[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 01:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) : Author of the book here. I originally wanted to put it in the Interlingue Wikibooks https://ie.wikibooks.org/wiki/Principal_p%C3%A1gine but it somehow got locked when I wasn't paying attention and so I ended up putting it here. Getting it unlocked requires going through the process of starting an Incubator and all the rest so I opted for here and then started putting some English-only content once it was done. It's sort of in the same vein as books like Lingua Latina per se Illustrata that have separate versions with teacher notes and whatnot. [[Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 1 - with notes]] After it was done the auxlang community really took to it which was a nice surprise. I think Ido has the largest number of chapters at the moment at 15. :If the vast content of this book could be used to justify a quick reopening of the Interlingue Wikibooks to move it there, I'd love to do that. I imagine that an incubator with 100+ book chapters would be enough to open a Wikibooks and that's what this is. — [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 06:02, 29 September 2024 (UTC) : Ah, I just realized that we do have a proposal to reopen the Interlingue Wikibooks: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikibooks_Interlingue along with an Incubator page here. https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wb/ie/Principal_p%C3%A1gine : How easy would it be to migrate the entirety of Salute Jonathan to there? — [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 06:30, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :: Hi @[[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]]! I'm not sure how incubator projects work, but I fully support migrating these books there. You may want to inquire over there and link to this discussion to support your request to move the content over there. Cheers! — [[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 13:16, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::: Hi! Actually I have a third idea to propose after thinking about this again today (haven't been here much since I finished the book): I noticed that there is more English content than I remember and that might make it an awkward fit for the Interlingue Wikibooks. I definitely agree that having all the auxlang translations for new auxlang projects goes well beyond the scope of this Wikibooks. Finally, there are some auxlangs that are notable with their own Wikipedias. ::: So the idea is the following: :::# Leave the original here and I can continue the work on the version with English notes and grammar. That will make it the same as Lingua Latina per se Illustrata, English by the Nature Method, Athenaze and all the rest. :::# The Interlingua one can move to the Interlingua Wikibooks (maybe Romanica too if they want as it is sort of a dialect of Interlingua). :::# For Ido and Lingua Franca Nova which have a Wikipedia but not a Wikibooks, I'm a little bit unsure...technically they could have their own version like the original one but would require English explanations. I could let them know and see if they are willing to do so and see what they think (work on adding English to the books vs. move the content elsewhere). :::# The rest can move to a Github repo, then be deleted, and the front page of this book can have a single link to the repo. ::: Any thoughts on that? Adding the extra English content will be easy as it is my book and I know it inside and out. ::: Edit: [https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Salute,_Jonathan!/Grammar_(pronouns) this page] I just added. — [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 13:50, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :::: Thanks for taking the time to consider this! Here are my responses/questions: ::::* Is the original [[Salute, Jonathan!]] (Occidental)? Since that one is quite fleshed out, I agree that if you edit it so the primary language of the book (e.g. headers, instructions, etc) are written in English while leaving the actual story in Occidental, it would be okay and fit in more with instructional language textbooks. ::::* For your points 2 and 3, I'm not sure how those other projects work, so I'll leave it up to them. I'm not quite sure why they would need to move, since in theory they could be revised with English as the language of instruction? Although, they have been left incomplete for a long time. ::::* For your point 4, I have no problem with that. Cheers! — [[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 16:51, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::::: Hello again, it's the weekend so I have a bit more time to work on this. I've decided to merge the extra content from the following five chapters since the difference is fairly small and the original chapters should now have this English content. Could you delete these five pages now that they are no longer needed? [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 14:02, 5 October 2024 (UTC) ::::: [[Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 1 - with notes]] ::::: [[Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 2 - with notes]] ::::: [[Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 3 - with notes]] ::::: [[Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 4 - with notes]] ::::: [[Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 5 - with notes]] [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 14:02, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :::::: [[File:Yes_check.svg|{{#ifeq:|small|8|15}}px|link=|alt=]] {{#ifeq:|small|<small>|}}'''Done'''{{#ifeq:|small|</small>|}} — [[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 23:34, 5 October 2024 (UTC) ::::::: Hi again! No luck trying to find a home for the random language translations on other auxlang wikis, can't find one that is actively maintained. ::::::: The thought struck me that maybe I could just put those ones on a sub page of my user page, would that be permitted? If not, I think I'll just stick them somewhere in GitHub and call it a day since none of the people who started the translations seem to care enough to do anything about them. I'd rather not see them outright disappear but since they aren't mine I don't care enough about them to do much more work than copy and paste them somewhere. ::::::: (I would leave the ones in languages with an ISO-639 code and Wikipedia here, of course) — [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 14:13, 9 November 2024 (UTC) :::::::: Thank you for checking! I don't personally see an issue with moving them to your user space right now. Cheers — [[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 17:21, 9 November 2024 (UTC) ::::::::: Thanks a lot! I've started a single page where I will put them all here [[User:Mithridates/SJ]] and will proceed slowly due to lack of time and also to avoid stepping on any toes / asking you to delete too much at a time and possibly deleting the wrong content. ::::::::: For this week I have put the content for the languages Audia, Cristianès, Guosa, Lingaust, Mini, Mirad, and Monav on that page as they all have a single page of content and didn't take much time to move. Please delete those. Once they are gone I will add a note on the main page letting people know where they have gone (in addition to a thank you for their interest in the book! I do love how many people have recognized it as a good source material for teaching a language). — [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 04:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC) : {{keep}} the translations for languages that have an article on the English Wikipedia, i.e. Guosa, Idiom Neutral, Ido, Interlingua, Lingwa de Planeta, Negerhollands, Neo, Novial, Occidental, Romanica, Solresol, Toki Pona, and Volapük. : Translations for languages that don't have an article can be kept if they have reliable sources, which I was able to find for the following languages (if you think they are not reliable, please let me know): :* Globasa: [https://www.languagesandnumbers.com/how-to-count-in-globasa/en/globasa/] [https://greyson.conlang.org/2020/01/29/shouting-out-globasa-and-pandunia/] :* Mini: [https://jprogr.github.io/mini] [https://www.omniglot.com/language/phrases/mini.htm] [https://www.languagesandnumbers.com/how-to-count-in-mini/en/mini/] : {{del}} and move to [[User:Mithridates/SJ]] the rest of the translations, i.e. Audià/Audian, Cristianés, Ekumenski, Germanisch, Interocidental, Lingaust, Lingue Simple, Masa Tang, Mirad, Monav, Monkel, Mundeze, Nordien, Novlingue, Numo, Proyo, and Scuian/Meteza. If you can find reliable sources for those languages, please let me know. : In particular, I could not find resources for Audià/Audian and Monav after searching through 15 and 17 pages on Google, respectively. It doesn't help that [[Òla, Ionatà!|their]] [[Hai, Jon!|translations]] don't explain what those languages are and where to find resources for them. This makes contributing to those translations almost impossible until @[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] can provide resources to us. It's possible that the resources may have disappared from the Internet, or that those languages were created by Caro de Segeda him/herself. If you can find resources for Audià/Audian and Monav, please let me know. : I'm notifying the primary contributors of the translations: @[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]], @[[User:Frzzl|Frzzl]], @[[User:Greatscotteh|Greatscotteh]], @[[User:IHateNumbers234|IHateNumbers234]], @[[User:Jayeless2|Jayeless2]], @[[User:Morozof|Morozof]], @[[User:Omnihom|Omnihom]], @[[User:Omoutuazn|Omoutuazn]], @[[User:PovriNaivon|PovriNaivon]], @[[User:Sir Beluga|Sir Beluga]] and @[[User:Tyoyafud|Tyoyafud]]. — [[User:EJPPhilippines|EJPPhilippines]] ([[User talk:EJPPhilippines|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/EJPPhilippines|contribs]]) 09:52, 30 June 2025 (UTC) :: Caro de Segeda said on [https://www.reddit.com/r/conlangs/comments/1lcnz9g/comment/n0sc3wx/ Reddit] that Monav was created by him/her and that he/she didn't publish any resources about it other than [[Hai, Jon!]]. With '''zero''' other resources to rely on for contributing to the translation, and the fact that Monav is in [[User:Mithridates/SJ]], [[Hai, Jon!]] should be speedy deleted. — [[User:EJPPhilippines|EJPPhilippines]] ([[User talk:EJPPhilippines|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/EJPPhilippines|contribs]]) 01:38, 3 July 2025 (UTC) ::: I've undone the speedy deletion as Caro de Segeda posted a [https://prexins.wordpress.com/2025/07/04/monav/ resource] for Monav. — [[User:EJPPhilippines|EJPPhilippines]] ([[User talk:EJPPhilippines|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/EJPPhilippines|contribs]]) 07:18, 4 July 2025 (UTC) :::: You can delete all the ones that I have created myself, I have already moved them to other places. — [[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Caro de Segeda|contribs]]) 12:39, 5 July 2025 (UTC) {{outdent|::::}}I don't know if this is helpful since it wouldn't apply to most of these, but [[s:mul:]] could hold some of these. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Arlo Barnes|contribs]]) 09:18, 30 November 2025 (UTC) : I don't think that would be within the scope of that project. I'm not aware of any other situation where Wikisource publishes translations of texts created on Wikimedia projects - that's usually left up to other language editions of the same project. — [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 05:34, 1 December 2025 (UTC) :: In this situation there isn't a separate [[s:ie:]] distinct from Multilingual Wikisource (see [[meta:Wikisource#List of Wikisources]]). In fact, there are very few multilingual wikis in the Wikimedia sphere; while this project ''could'' move to a Miraheze-hosted or similar wiki farm location, I think it would be a missed opportunity. I suppose an [[Interlingue]] book could be started in [[shelf:Constructed languages]] which would have all 100 chapters as an appendix (and likewise for the other languages), but that also seems non-ideal since it requires an English-language text that doesn't currently exist to be created. [[WB:AT]] seems to describe a similar situation to this one and prescribe Wikisource as the solution, and [[WB:SOURCE]] mentions fiction as out-of-scope for Wikibooks (even as in this case, language-educational fiction). [[s:mul:Wikisource:about Wikisource]] simply speaks of source texts and doesn't mention publication requirements, so maybe that is specific to some of the monolingual editions? — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Arlo Barnes|contribs]]) 22:28, 5 December 2025 (UTC) :{{keep}} 100% keep. These books are a core part of language textbooks on Wikibooks and have been for years. Not sure why this is even being debated.--[[User:Xania|Xania]] [[Image:Flag_of_Estonia.svg|15px]] [[Image:Flag_of_Ukraine.svg|15px]] [[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 17:55, 16 May 2026 (UTC) ::With all due respect, some of the books included in this nomination (like [[Sin Chao, Jonathan!]]) are written in constructed languages which are not substantially attested anywhere else. I struggle to imagine any educational purpose for such a book. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 00:12, 17 May 2026 (UTC) == [[International Baccalaureate]] == Not actually a book in and of itself; rather, it is just a compilation of links to other books —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 23:24, 18 October 2024 (UTC) : Could this be salvaged as a shelf? [[User:Pppery|Pppery]] ([[User talk:Pppery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pppery|contribs]]) 05:23, 27 January 2025 (UTC) ::Probably, but are the linked books even useful? IB exams change from year to year - sometimes quite dramatically - so an old exam guide is of very limited value. Many of these books were written 10-15 years ago, and some of them (like [[IB French]]) even have comments indicating that they're no longer applicable. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 02:18, 8 December 2025 (UTC) == [[Character List for Baxter&Sagart]] == Seems completely out of scope as an educational book; it's just a list of characters and outlinks —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 23:53, 18 October 2024 (UTC) :Adding [[Character List for Karlgren's GSR]] and [[Character List for Schuessler's CGSR]] for the same reason —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 23:55, 18 October 2024 (UTC) :These three books do make a package and I agree they should be considered together. However, I strongly object to deleting them. They are really extremely useful resources. I use them every week and I know that many people who do work on Old Chinese phonology do so. There are lots of books out there that are lists of characters, these are called dictionaries. For example Axel Schuessler's ABC Etymological Dictionary of Old Chinese, or Pulleyblank's Lexicon of Reconstructed Pronunciation in Early Middle Chinese, Late Middle Chinese, and Early Mandarin. I see it as entirely a good thing for reference works of this kind to be available free online rather than only in expensive books in university research libraries. If this is in violation of a Wikibooks policy, I would at least like that policy to be drawn to my attention and to have some constructive comment offered about which Wikiproject such a resource should fall under. I will also say on a personal note that I have put literally hundreds of hours of work into these projects and it would grieve me a lot to see this work simply vanish, in particular when I know that colleagues around the world use these books. --[[User:Tibetologist|Tibetologist]] ([[User talk:Tibetologist|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tibetologist|contribs]]) 07:27, 1 November 2024 (UTC) ::Hi @[[User:Tibetologist|Tibetologist]], and thank you for the feedback! Official Wikibooks policy does not permit standalone dictionaries (see [[WB:DICT]]), though I understand the argument that it is a useful resource. I am wondering if there might be a home for it at [[Wiktionary:Wiktionary:Welcome, newcomers|Wiktionary]] or [[Wikiversity:Wikiversity:SHARE|Wikiversity]]? Cheers —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 12:14, 1 November 2024 (UTC) :::The policy says to use Wiktionary, but these books cannot be moved there. In fact they link there, you can understand me as having made an index to wiktionary, if you like, where the ORDER of the characters is extremely important, information that would be lost in Wiktionary. :::Wikiversity is not a project I participate in, and in any event my books here are older than it, so this option was not available for me at the relevant moment. If you are offering to move my books to Wikiversity, that is very kind of you and I will very graciously accept. [[User:Tibetologist|Tibetologist]] ([[User talk:Tibetologist|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tibetologist|contribs]]) 14:10, 1 November 2024 (UTC) ::::I have pinged over at Wikiversity Colloquium to ask about suitability and have looped you into the conversation over there. Cheers —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 18:20, 1 November 2024 (UTC) ::I concur. I'm just an undergrad who tries to learn about Sino-Tibetan historical linguistics in his free time but I've found this wikibook to be incredibly useful, and I keep it open in one tab while I watch Professor Nathan Hill's lectures that he uploads to youtube in another tab, and another tab for taking notes. In fact if I remember correctly Professor Hill actually pointed his students to this wikibook. ::I'm not familiar with [[wikiversity:Wikiversity:SHARE|Wikiversity]] but if all the content were as accessible there as it is here then I think that could work. [[User:ChromeBones|ChromeBones]] ([[User talk:ChromeBones|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/ChromeBones|contribs]]) 02:43, 9 July 2025 (UTC) :Per [[:v:Wikiversity:Colloquium#Import_Resource_From_Wikibooks?]], I recommend copying and pasting, including attribution via the edit summary and talk page, add appropriate categories and links, and then it could be deleted locally. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 22:32, 3 November 2024 (UTC) == [[Suomen kieli käyttöön]] == Multiple pages in this book are written entirely in Finnish, which is out of the enWB scope. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 00:09, 19 October 2024 (UTC) :I was going to say whether we should ask any fiwikibooks sysop to maybe see if this could be transwikied to fiwb if it's within the scope there. But [[:fi:Toiminnot:Käyttäjät/sysop]] indicates that there are only 3 sysops, and only {{u|Anr}} and {{u|Zache}} have made edits this ''year''. If they deem it to be salvageable, then transwiki + delete, otherwise straight-up delete. --[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] ([[User talk:SHB2000|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|contribs]]) 11:24, 14 November 2024 (UTC) ::It seems that the idea behind the book was for the pages to be bilingual, as it’s a language learning book. That’s why there are Finnish texts included intentionally even on the pages that are complete. There are similar books in dewikibooks and ruwikibooks as well. For the English version, I think the easiest way to proceed would be to clean up and adjust the page layout to fit enwikibooks better, and then translate the missing parts. By the way, if anyone wants to update the book’s name in English, it can be titled ''"Using the Finnish Language"'' or ''"Put Finnish Language into Use"'' for a direct translation. [[User:Zache|Zache]] ([[User talk:Zache|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Zache|contribs]]) 11:57, 14 November 2024 (UTC) == [[AT&T Mobility FAQ]] == * [[AT&T Mobility FAQ]] * [[AT&T Mobility FAQ/MEdia Net Configuration]] * [[AT&T Mobility FAQ/Data Connect Configuration]] An ''extremely'' outdated FAQ on AT&T's cell phone services. Most of this document was written 20+ years ago as a Usenet FAQ; very little of it is accurate or useful anymore (particularly the two subpages, which have to do with obsolete configurations for "tethering" a computer to a cell phone). No objection if someone wants to update it, but there's clearly been no appetite to do that. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 22:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC) :I'm wondering if it might make sense for us to develop some kind of policy on archiving books here. There are many like this one that have a good deal of content but are extremely out of date and just not useful as originally intended. ——[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 22:34, 30 December 2024 (UTC) ::@[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]]: See the newly developed [[Wikibooks:Outdated books]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[wikt:she|she]]/[[wikt:they|they]]) 00:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC) :::Ooh, thanks - something like that seems like it could be an appropriate way to handle this book. A lot of the other outdated books I've tagged have been so incomplete that they wouldn't have been particularly useful even as historical references; this one might at least have some interest. :::Any chance we can get a separate namespace (maybe "Archive:") set up for archived book content? That'd make it possible to do things like exclude them from on-site search by default. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 21:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC) ::::I think this might be a more extended discussion, so I'll bump it over to the [[Wikibooks talk:Outdated books|talk page of the draft policy]]! —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 21:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC) == Algebra/Chapter 10/Symmetric Polynomials == I personally believe that [[Algebra/Chapter 10/Symmetric Polynomials|this]], and all of the sections should be deleted for the fact that this goes WAY beyond the scope of what was intended for the Chapter (Algebra II level polynomials). [[User:GoreyCat|GoreyCat]] ([[User talk:GoreyCat|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/GoreyCat|contribs]]) 15:07, 6 February 2025 (UTC) :'''Split''': Deletion here is not the best solution (see [[w:WP:ATD]]). Instead, this page and its subpages should be moved to another book, most likely [[Abstract Algebra]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[wikt:she|she]]/[[wikt:they|they]]) 17:35, 6 February 2025 (UTC) :{{keep}} since there is a good amount of content. If [[Abstract Algebra]] is appropriate, it seems like a fine idea to move there. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 22:59, 7 February 2025 (UTC) ::Eh, yeah, I supposed moving it is better. I just don't think it's suitable for where it appears. [[User:GoreyCat|GoreyCat]] ([[User talk:GoreyCat|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/GoreyCat|contribs]]) 01:40, 8 February 2025 (UTC) == [[Puredyne]] == Development of Puredyne Linux was discontinued in 2012, and the software no longer appears to be available for download anywhere. (An archive of the web site is still up - with a bunch of embedded spam links - but the download links are all dead.) Is this a suitable candidate for archival (cf. [[Wikibooks:Outdated books]]), or should it just be deleted? [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 04:35, 5 March 2025 (UTC) :I'd just archive stuff like this. Looks like a decent bit of work went into it, and you never know when someone might need to use Puredyne for some obscure project. I'd be willing to bet mirrors exist of it somewhere, or someone has it on a drive. If you want to find some stuff worth deleting, comb through [[:Category:Allbooks categories]]. [[User:MediaKyle|MediaKyle]] ([[User talk:MediaKyle|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaKyle|contribs]]) 11:30, 5 March 2025 (UTC) == [[Template:Qr-twwp]] == This isn't exactly a request to delete the template, but rather to merge it with {{tlx|Copypaste}}. The {{tlx|Qr-twwp}} template serves the same purpose as {{tlx|Copypaste}}, but without the seven-day period after which the page is deleted. This leads to confusion, as well as a perpetually full [[:Category:Queried pages]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[wikt:she|she]]/[[wikt:they|they]]) 17:37, 30 March 2025 (UTC) == [[Ghouls of the Miskatonic]] == I don't think that a plot summary of a book is in-scope here. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 18:43, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :{{vd}} - at least, not a summary of ''this'' book. A summary and/or study guide to a notable work of literature might be in scope, but this is certainly not one. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 21:23, 25 August 2025 (UTC) ::Hi. I am the creator of the pages of this book. If I understand correctly, it has to be a summary of a notable work of literature? So what exactly is defined as such? I only started this as I thought it would be fun, interesting and encouraging to others who read the Arkham Horror novels, and I thought it was permitted as I've seen other summaries of books on wikibooks. [[User:Dayne90|Dayne90]] ([[User talk:Dayne90|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dayne90|contribs]]) 13:27, 26 August 2025 (UTC) :::Your problem is it is just the plot... it needs to include an educational textual analysis to be in scope [[User:MarcGarver|MarcGarver]] ([[User talk:MarcGarver|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MarcGarver|contribs]]) 12:47, 28 August 2025 (UTC) ::::And ideally it'd be a text which has ''already'' been the subject of literary analysis, such that the analysis on Wikibooks isn't original research. A notable work of literature like ''Frankenstein'' or ''Moby-Dick'' would easily meet that requirement; a tie-in novel for a tabletop RPG probably does not. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 22:08, 29 August 2025 (UTC) == [[Template:Deleted page]] == {{closed|'''Deleted''' per consensus & reasoning. —[[User:Atcovi|Atcovi]] [[User talk:Atcovi|(Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Atcovi|Contribs)]] 11:49, 10 July 2026 (UTC)}} Per [[Wikibooks:Reading room/Proposals#Retiring Template:Deleted page]], this is because the template is unnecessary given that creation protection (salting) is used instead. I am also proposing the deletion of the following categories used by this template: * [[:Category:Protected deleted categories]] * [[:Category:Protected deleted pages]] Thanks. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 15:36, 29 January 2026 (UTC) :This seems premature - [[:Category:Protected deleted pages]] is still in use for pages with generic names. Is there a plan to transition those pages to create protection; if so, can that be implemented before deleting the templates/categories? [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 02:28, 30 January 2026 (UTC) ::JJPMaster proposed that the pages listed in that category should be moved to the [[MediaWiki:Titleblacklist|title blacklist]], and that {{tlx|naming policy notice}} shall be fully protected and used as an interface (title blacklist) message. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 03:18, 30 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]]: Have you seen this reply? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[wikt:she|she]]/[[wikt:they|they]]) 15:28, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I have, but I'm not sure I follow. These templates, and the categories which they populate, are currently in use. Once that's no longer the case, I have no objection to deleting them - but they need to be delinked first. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 00:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::::I deleted the categories mentioned above, moved all the generic titles to the title blacklist, and for those pages that used {{tlx|Deleted page}}, I deleted then applied creation protection. An uninvolved admin can delete {{tlx|Deleted page}} and then close this request. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 02:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC) : Would an uninvolved admin delete the template and close this request? Pinging @[[User:Atcovi|Atcovi]]. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 01:39, 10 July 2026 (UTC) {{end closed}} == [[History of wireless telegraphy and broadcasting in Australia/Topical/Publications/Wireless Weekly/Issues/1928 03 23]] == {{closed|No consensus to delete —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 02:08, 10 July 2026 (UTC)}} Transcribed from a magazine copy that cannot be traced via the URL provided. Generally archival of primary source works is undertaken on Wikisource (not Wikibooks), backed by a suitable page scan. This isn't at present. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/ShakespeareFan00|contribs]]) 16:32, 27 April 2026 (UTC) :This doesn't need an RfD since it is obviously out of scope. You can instead put a CSD tag on the page. Additionally, it seems that the entire /Publications section contains only source works here, so it might require a mass deletion. [[User:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: lime">kingofnuthin</span>]] ([[User talk:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: teal">talk</span>]]) 17:32, 27 April 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Samuel.dellit|Samuel.dellit]] looping you in here so you're aware. I don't think any pages like this (i.e. source text) can be kept here, since we are explicitly and unambiguously not a text repository per [[WB:SOURCE]]. I am inclined to speedily delete for that reason, but I want to hear from the primary editor. Cheers —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 18:40, 27 April 2026 (UTC) :::Thanks for looping me in. :::This is not simply a transcription of the magazine. :::It includes new formatting to make the content better reachable. :::It includes commentary to place the transcribed material in context. :::It permits related material to be placed in chronological order. :::The version here is not complete (as per banner included), hence the URL link not working (National Library of Australia's Trove has been updated). :::There is no point in placing this material on Wikisource as the Trove website is functionally similar and now provides for text correction (a fairly recent development). :::I have not be editing Wikibooks for the last six month's following a personal matter but now slowly returning to the task. :::[[User:Samuel.dellit|Samuel.dellit]] ([[User talk:Samuel.dellit|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Samuel.dellit|contribs]]) 19:08, 27 April 2026 (UTC) ::::I'm still not sure whether this makes it in-scope at Wikibooks and suitable for the book-like scope of this work, so I'm looping in other admins to weigh in on scope and consensus @[[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] @[[User:MarcGarver|MarcGarver]] @[[User:JJPMaster|JJPMaster]] @[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]]. For material that is planned but not yet enacted after a significant period, I'm wondering if user space is more suitable than main space. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 19:48, 3 May 2026 (UTC) :::::This is just one page of a book, right? It's not like the entire wikibook is a transcription. I'm inclined to keep it unless there is something I am missing. "For material that is planned but not yet enacted after a significant period" - that's a draft and can generally stay in article space. [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Leaderboard|contribs]]) 05:09, 4 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::My thoughts are similar to Leaderboard's. --[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] ([[User talk:SHB2000|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|contribs]]) 05:47, 4 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::@[[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] @[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] Thank you, and good to know. Unless I am misunderstanding, the plan is actually to host many source texts in this book's namespace (see other subpages in [[History of wireless telegraphy and broadcasting in Australia/Topical/Publications]]) and not limited to this one page. Additionally, do we have anything in policy regarding how long drafts can stay in mainspace? I couldn't find anything, and it strikes me as unconstructive to the project if pages with significant issues (e.g. scope, quality, etc) are left in the mainspace for months to years. Cheers —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 19:15, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::@[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] Thank you for your considered responses, the following is provided as background summary. :::::::(1) I should mention that all of these pages were speedily deleted six months ago on the basis of breach of copyright, despite the fact that they are in the public domain (yes I was remiss in not making this clear in the relevant discussion pages, and yes I was aware of the need for copyright explanation, but was overly focussed on content creation). I was hit by about 20 simultaneous speedily delete notifications, responded to 2 or 3 thinking that would be sufficient, but later found they had all been deleted (I was not active on Wikibooks at the time). My intention is to provide clear public domain information for each page in the coming months, but I am only one person and need time to give effect. Copyright worldwide is quite complex. :::::::(2) I was hit by this RfD about 2 weeks ago, nominally a single subpage, but with the threat of dozens of subpages being similarly treated. This time the basis of the RfD was breach of the "Not a text repository" policy, of which I was not previously aware. I see in the policy that there is a clear exception for annotated texts and I will further develop content in support of that exception (you will see that is my general practice in any event). There are literally hundreds of articles in this Wikibook already heavily annotated, simply on the basis of good authorship e.g. :::::::https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/History_of_wireless_telegraphy_and_broadcasting_in_Australia/Topical/Biographies/Clement_Edgar_Ames/Notes :::::::https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/History_of_wireless_telegraphy_and_broadcasting_in_Australia/Topical/Stations/7BU_Burnie/Notes :::::::But, again, I am only one person and need time to give effect. [[User:Samuel.dellit|Samuel.dellit]] ([[User talk:Samuel.dellit|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Samuel.dellit|contribs]]) 19:59, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::@[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] As far as I can see, isn't the goal to annotate most of those pages? And there is no set limit for a draft. The main reason we'd delete a draft is if the book ''itself'' has nothing of value, which is not the case here. [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Leaderboard|contribs]]) 04:49, 5 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Got it, thank you! —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 00:06, 6 May 2026 (UTC) : As an admin who was involved in deleting this (and related subpages) and ''only'' undeleting it later per the author's request, I therefore '''recuse''' (will not do) on taking any administrative actions for this request. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 17:33, 27 April 2026 (UTC) :{{vd}} - including other similar pages - per nom. Transcriptions of previously published works, like these magazines, belong on Wikisource. I don't see any evidence of substantial commentary in any of the pages I've looked at. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 17:47, 28 April 2026 (UTC) ::Additionally, I'd note that creating content like [[History of wireless telegraphy and broadcasting in Australia/Editing/Fair dealing]] or [[History of wireless telegraphy and broadcasting in Australia/Editing/Not a text repository]] is not helpful. This sort of argumentative content clearly does not belong in a book. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 02:14, 9 May 2026 (UTC) :{{keep}} - including other similar pages - annotated texts WB:AT are a clear exception to Wikibooks "Not a text repository" policy; these are subpages of a very large body of work (I understand the largest Wikibook in Wikibooks) and integral to its overall development; yes, the pages are a work in progress and the annotations are as yet limited, but I will now prioritise their development[[User:Samuel.dellit|Samuel.dellit]] ([[User talk:Samuel.dellit|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Samuel.dellit|contribs]]) 19:28, 3 May 2026 (UTC) :{{keep}}. Annotated texts are an exception and while there can be a debate about how much annotation is enough, at the moment I think we should accept the primary editor's position in respect of their intent. [[User:MarcGarver|MarcGarver]] ([[User talk:MarcGarver|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MarcGarver|contribs]]) 13:58, 5 May 2026 (UTC) : {{keep}} per above. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 23:07, 19 May 2026 (UTC) : @[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] Please consider closing this RFD discussion. This was running for more than one month (I believe) and as I can tell there is probably no consensus to delete. Thank you. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 01:30, 10 July 2026 (UTC) {{end closed}} == [[History Books]] == {{closed|Deleted per minimal consensus below. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 01:32, 12 July 2026 (UTC)}} Minimal existing content is editorialized, book scope unclear, no sourcing —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 18:47, 27 April 2026 (UTC) :{{comment}} - there is one unlinked subpage of this book, [[History Books/Who Was Alexander the Great/Introduction]]. I'm not impressed by the content (it's basically historical fiction written for a young child), but it's not hopeless. I'd encourage the author to create an account to allow us to communicate with them. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 18:34, 28 April 2026 (UTC) ::If it is really aimed at children, shouldn't it be moved to the Wikijunior: namespace? [[User:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: lime">kingofnuthin</span>]] ([[User talk:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: teal">talk</span>]]) 18:55, 28 April 2026 (UTC) : @[[User:Kingofnuthin|Kingofnuthin]] and @[[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]]: I am unsure whethere there is consensus to either keep or move–I am not seeing any bolded votes, and there is not much participation here. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 01:34, 10 July 2026 (UTC) ::{{del}}, I don't think this book fits the scope of Wikibooks. [[User:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: lime">KingOfNuthin</span>]] ([[User talk:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: teal">talk</span>]]) 23:47, 11 July 2026 (UTC) {{end closed}} == [[Objective Projection: Why the Brain Never Forgets Some Stories]] == Undisclosed AI-generated content. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 02:13, 9 May 2026 (UTC) :<nowiki>'''Keep'''</nowiki> — Comment from page author/subject expert. :I am Levent Bulut, the originator of the <nowiki>''</nowiki>Objective Projection<nowiki>''</nowiki> methodology described in this book (ORCID: 0009-0007-7500-2261, Wikidata: Q138048287). I want to address the AI-generated content concern directly and transparently. :<nowiki>'''</nowiki>On the content itself:<nowiki>'''</nowiki> The methodology, theoretical framework (the six-variable operator E(r) = projS(M, T, V, Δ, Ω, Ng), the Six Golden Rules, the Six-Layer Framework), and all original arguments are my own intellectual work, developed and published independently. This is documented through: :* 26 DOI-registered academic publications on Zenodo (search: "Levent Bulut Objective Projection") :* A peer-reviewed submission currently under review at <nowiki>''</nowiki>Digital Humanities Quarterly<nowiki>''</nowiki> :* Parallel Turkish-language Wikibook and Wikiversity pages on the same methodology :* An open-source SFT dataset on Hugging Face (leventbulut/objective-projection) :<nowiki>'''</nowiki>On AI assistance:<nowiki>'''</nowiki> I used AI tools (Claude) for English translation polish and copy-editing from my Turkish source materials — the same way a non-native English-speaking academic would use a human translator or editor. The <nowiki>''</nowiki>ideas, structure, terminology, citations, and arguments<nowiki>''</nowiki> are entirely my own and pre-date the Wikibooks version, traceable through Zenodo DOI timestamps starting in 2025. :<nowiki>'''</nowiki>Proposed remedy instead of deletion:<nowiki>'''</nowiki> I am happy to: :# Add a clear AI-assistance disclosure to the book's preface, per Wikibooks transparency norms :# Add inline citations to the underlying DOI-registered publications for every major claim :# Link to the parallel Turkish version and academic record :This would address the <nowiki>''</nowiki>undisclosed<nowiki>''</nowiki> part of the concern (which is the actionable policy issue) while preserving content that is original academic work by an identifiable author with a published track record. Deletion of original scholarship because translation assistance was used would set a concerning precedent for non-native English contributors. :<nowiki>I request a few days to add the disclosure and citations before any deletion action. ~~~~</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-28847-60|&#126;2026-28847-60]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-28847-60|talk]]) 18:46, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::Administrative assistance needed: Automated filters blocking structural improvements and disclosures ::'''Request for Help''' — I am Levent Bulut, the author of this book. I have already provided my AI disclosure and academic credentials (ORCID, DOI list) here in this discussion. ::I am trying to update the book to comply with Wikibooks standards by: ::Adding a formal '''AI assistance disclosure''' at the top of the page. ::Restructuring the content into an '''instructional textbook format''' (adding Learning Objectives). ::Converting plain text formulas into '''LaTeX''' ( format). ::Updating references to include full academic '''DOI''' records. ::However, the automated filter is blocking all my attempts: ::If I try to replace the content with the improved version, it triggers the '''"large amount of content removal"''' filter. ::If I try to add specific academic links, it triggers the '''"automated link/spam"''' filter. ::I am essentially trapped by the filters while trying to improve the book and follow transparency norms. Could an administrator please either whitelist my account or manually apply the improved version of the text? I am ready to provide the full MediaWiki code here if requested. My intent is purely constructive and academic. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-28847-60|&#126;2026-28847-60]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-28847-60|talk]]) 19:15, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::: Hi, @[[User:~2026-28847-60|~2026-28847-60]]. Your account was incorrectly locked by a steward. It is now currently unlocked. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 17:44, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::: Pinging @[[User:Projection Architect|Projection Architect]], who was previously LeventBulut. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 15:51, 4 July 2026 (UTC) ::Please review [[Wikibooks:Artificial intelligence]]. It states unequivocally that {{tq|LLMs may not be used to generate or summarize material and ideas at Wikibooks}}, and that {{tq|translations made by LLMs are not allowed on Wikibooks}}. The fact that you did not disclose your usage of AI is part of the problem, but disclosing it does not make it allowable either. ::More broadly, based on what you've said above, the content of this book is a reflection of your personal theories on writing. This is essentially [[Wikibooks:Original research]] and is not permitted. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 22:36, 13 May 2026 (UTC) == [[Guide to Tor hidden services and elements of the Tor network]] == This book was created in 2014 with some odd history, but never really progressed beyond a preface and [[Guide to Tor hidden services and elements of the Tor network/Chapter 3: Darknet markets in theory and practice|a single subpage]]. As a result of [https://blog.torproject.org/v2-deprecation-timeline/ changes to the Tor network] made in 2020-2021, all of the .onion links in this book are dead; there's nothing usable left here. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 08:54, 4 July 2026 (UTC) == [[Earthinators]] == While no content has been added yet, the introduction and table of contents of this book suggest that it's intended to act as a position statement or manifesto for the group, not an educational text. This content would probably be more appropriate on the group's own wiki, not on Wikibooks. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 23:23, 10 July 2026 (UTC) :Has less educational purpose other than manifesto, not suitable on Wikibooks. Related [[:d:Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions#Q103824308|RFD]] in Wikidata shows attempt to make non-notable subject notable. [[User:Yamato Shiya|Yamato Shiya]] ([[User talk:Yamato Shiya|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Yamato Shiya|contribs]]) 13:39, 12 July 2026 (UTC) gvjcnrpmam4v0vjxan30ihanaodxb0o 110 16689 4654281 4286101 2026-07-13T07:46:40Z Meno25 43227 rm iw 4654281 wikitext text/x-wiki <div style="float:right; border:2px solid #aaaaaa; width:250px; margin-left:0.2em; padding:0.4em"> [[Image:Venus_symbol (heavy blue).svg|80px|♀]] '''Venus Facts''': * Venera 7, the first space probe to land on Venus, was destroyed by the hostile conditions on Venus after only 23 minutes. * Almost all of the surface features on Venus are named after women. * A day on Venus is equal to 117 days on Earth. * It has been proposed that some microbes could live in Venus's clouds. </div> Venus is the second closest planet to the Sun. It is a ''terrestrial planet''. This means that we think it was created in a similar way to our planet Earth and is made of rock. [[File:PIA23791-Venus-NewlyProcessedView-20200608.jpg|thumb|left|Venus. You can't see the surface in this picture; the white is the clouds.]] <br clear=all> {{ {{BOOKTEMPLATE}} }} == How big is Venus? == [[File:Venus_Earth_Comparison.png|thumb|left|Earth and Venus Comparison]] Venus is only slightly smaller than the Earth. This is one reason why Venus is sometimes thought of as Earth's "twin". Venus has a ''diameter'' of about 12,100 km. It has also been visited by many probes. <br clear> == What is the surface like on this planet? == [[File:Maat_Mons_on_Venus.jpg|left|thumb|Maat Mons on the Surface of Venus, by radar imaging]] The surface of Venus is very different from the surface of the Earth. It is very dry and hot enough to melt lead. The pressure on the surface is very high. It is the same pressure as being 1 km (3,280 feet) below the surface of the sea on Earth. [[File:Venus Rivers.jpeg|thumb|right|upright|Channels on the surface of Venus, looking like river channels on Earth]] Channels that look like rivers have formed on Venus. Scientists think these channels are formed from erupting lava. The lava flows along as it cools down, creating the channels. One feature only Venus seems to have is unusual volcanoes called ''arachnoids''. These are volcanoes that have formed differently from other volcanoes we have found in the Solar System. We don't know exactly how they were formed. Venus also has volcanoes like those on Earth. Parts of the surface of Venus look something like continents. The largest of these areas is called ''Ishtar Terra'' (land of Ishtar, from the Babylonian goddess who was similar to Venus). Deep basins like those under the Earth's oceans have also been discovered. On Venus, though, they have no water. Features like mountain ranges and meteor craters have also been found on Venus. One of the highest mountains on Venus, ''Maxwell Montes'', is about 11 km taller than Mount Everest, the highest mountain on Earth. On the night side of the planet, there is a strange effect called ''Ashen Light''. For some reason, the dark side of Venus has a subtle glow. There are various theories about this. One of the earliest theories &mdash; now disproved, of course &mdash; was that there were aliens on Venus and they were celebrating a new Venusian emperor. Currently, one of the more believed ones is this: There is a high concentration of carbon dioxide. When it is hit by the ultraviolet rays of the sun, they change into carbon monoxide and oxygen, and emit green light. The entire chemical procedure is {{nowrap|CO₂ → CO + O}}. [[File:1982 CPA 5278.jpg|right|thumb|upright|The Venera 13 Lander as depicted on a stamp, which made scientific measurements and sent back pictures from the surface of Venus]] == How long is a day on Venus? == Venus ''rotates'' (spins around) even more slowly than Mercury. One full rotation of Venus takes about 243 Earth days. Venus also rotates in the opposite direction to most of the other planets in the Solar System. One day on Venus, from noon to noon, depends on the length of the year as well as the rotation time, and is about 117 earth days. == How long is a year on Venus? == One year on Venus is almost 225 Earth days long. This is less time than it takes Venus to rotate on its axis and less than two Venus days. == What is Venus made of? == The surface of Venus, its crust, is covered in nothing but rock. But, the core of Venus is made of nickel-iron. The atmosphere around Venus is very thick and is made of carbon dioxide, nitrogen, and poisonous gasses that create high pressure and trap in heat. == How much would Venus's gravity pull on me? == If you were on Venus, it would pull you down almost as strongly as Earth. The atmosphere exerts a pressure at the surface more than 90 times Earth's normal sea-level pressure. == Who discovered Venus? == Because Venus is closer to the sun than we are on Earth, we always see it close to the sun in the sky. So it only appears for us just before sunrise in the eastern sky, or just after sunset in the western sky. Many cultures thought Venus in the morning and Venus in the evening were two separate things. The ancient Romans called the evening object Venus (after the goddess of love) and the morning object ''Lucifer'' (which means ''light bearer'' &mdash; a servant who walked ahead of the sun's chariot with a torch, to light the way). Nobody knows who first thought the two were a single object. The first known ''written'' description of them as one object was the Venus Tablet of Ammisaduqa, from about three and a half thousand years ago &mdash; 1581 BCE. [[File:Mapa de sondas sobre Venus.png|thumb|right|A map of where the Veneras 9-14 and Vegas landed.]] About three thousand years later, in 1610, Italian astronomer Galileo Galilei used a telescope to observe that Venus has phases, just as the moon does. Phases happen because only the side of Venus (or of the Moon) facing the Sun is lighted. The phases of Venus supported the theory of Copernicus that the planets go around the Sun. Then, a few years later in 1639, an English astronomer named Jeremiah Horrocks observed a ''transit of Venus''. That's what it's called when Venus passes right between the Earth and the Sun, so that Venus is visible from Earth during the day as a tiny dot passing across the Sun. In 1761 a Russian astronomer, Mikhail Lomonsov, watching another transit of Venus, saw that Venus has an atmosphere. Not much more was discovered about Venus until the 1920s. Then, a United States astronomer, Frank Ross, observed Venus using ultraviolet light &mdash; the light that causes sunburn &mdash; and for the first time saw the structure of the clouds on Venus. However, there is only so much that can be learned about Venus by looking at it from Earth. The first successful pictures of Venus by a space probe were taken by Mariner 2 in 1962. Mariner 2 was the first space probe successfully sent to observe another planet. It showed two important things: Venus has practically no magnetic field, and Venus has temperatures of 490 to 590 K &mdash; that's as hot as the inside of a working oven on Earth! [[File:Venus Tablet of Ammisaduqa.jpg|thumb|left|The first written record of Venus. It describes Venus' movement over 21 years.]] <!-- Mariner 5 measured the power of Venus' weak magnetic field, and Mariner 10 took ultraviolet pictures revealing huge wind speeds. Venera 3 was the first probe to land on Venera, but its communications failed before it reached the surface. However, Venera 4 managed to collect data while floating down to Venus. Venera 4 measured temperature, air pressure, density, and performed eleven chemical experiments analysing the atmosphere, which was found to be 95% carbon dioxide, all before landing on the surface. Unfortunately, before it did land on the surface, its battery ran out, making it useless. Venera 5 and 6 also conducted tests in a similar manner as Venera 4 but they were crushed by the air pressure once they reached 6 km above the surface. The distance from the surface of Earth to the lowest Cirrus clouds is also 6 km. The first successful landing on Venus was by Venera 7 in 1970. The surface temperature was measured to be 455 °C to 475 °C. However, because of the extremely high temperatures on Venus, Venera 7 malfunctioned within 23 minutes of landing. Venera 8 also landed on Venus, and performed additional tests. Venera 9, in 1975 orbited Venus while dropping a ground vehicle on the surface. These two combined produced an enormous wealth of information, including that the clouds of Venus form in 3 different layers of the atmosphere. Venera 10 was a repeat of Venera 9. NASA then sent two ''Pioneer'' spacecraft to see for itself. The Pioneer Venus Multiprobe (PVM) was designed to carry 4 probes to Venus and then release the probes, each going separate directions. The Pioneer Venus Orbiter (PVO) orbited Venus. Both the PVM and the PVO conducted multiple experiments and gave information. Venera 11 and 12 flew by Venus and dropped ground vehicles on Venus to collect more information, however, that failed as the colour cameras and soil analysers both malfunctioned. In 1981, Venera 13 landed and took the first colour picture of Venus, and successfully analysed the soil. Venera 13 holds the record among space probes of lasting the longest on Venus, which was 127 minutes. Also in 1981, Venera 14 detected seismic activity on Venus. In 1984, Vega 1 and 2 were launched. Their main purposes were to mainly float in the atmosphere. They took pictures of a third of the planet, along with collecting more data about the atmosphere. The last Soviet Veneras, Venera 15 and 16 took very high resolution pictures of Venus in 1983. In 1990, the US launched a probe called Magellan, named after Ferdinand Magellan who explored the Caribbean islands in the 16th century. Magellan floated in Venus' atmosphere for 4 years before crashing partially vaporising and crashing into the atmosphere. During that time, it mapped 98% of Venus' surface. There were no more missions to Venus until the 21st century, when the European space agency (ESA) launched Venus Express. Venus Express orbited Venus from 2006 to the end of 2012. In the distant future, it is proposed that Venus should slowly begin to be inhabited by humans, but only after Mars has a population like the Earth. --> == Who is this planet named after? == Venus is named after the Roman goddess of love. Sometimes it can be seen shining brightly just before dawn or just after sunset, when it is called the Morning Star or Evening Star. Some people, like the Aztecs and the Greeks, gave Venus two names &ndash; one for the morning and one for the evening. Because Venus and the Earth are the same size, scientists call Venus "Earth's sister planet". For a long time most scientists thought that Venus had plants, animals, and possibly even people. However because Venus is so hot we now know that it is impossible for anything to live there. == How long would it take people to get there? == It could take around a year and a half to get there. But it is very unlikely someone would go to Venus. <br clear="all" /> == References == * Volcano World, "Lava Flows"[http://volcano.und.edu/vwdocs/planet_volcano/venus/lava_flow_features.html]<br> * Astronomy Picture of the Day [http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap980120.html]<br> * Alder Planetarium[http://www.adlerplanetarium.org/learn/planets/venus/ishtar.ssi]<br> * Mount Everest [http://www.mnteverest.net/history.html]<br> * Windows to the Universe[http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/mythology/tlahuizcal_venus.html&edu=high]<br> * NASA's Solar System Exploration[http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/planets/profile.cfm?Object=Mercury&Display=OverviewLong]<br> Arnett, Bill. The Nine Planets[http://www.nineplanets.org/overview.html]<br> * Worldbook Online [http://www.worldbookonline.com/wb/Article?id=ar356240]<br> * Worldbook@NASA, "Mercury"[http://www.nasa.gov/worldbook/mercury_worldbook.html]<br> * NASA Planetary Fact Sheet [http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/factsheet/]<br> * Hamilton, Calvin J. . Solarviews.com, "Mercury" [http://www.solarviews.com/eng/mercury.htm]<br> * Encyclopedia Mythica, "Mercury" [http://www.pantheon.org/articles/m/mercury.html]<br> * Col, Jeananda. Enchanted Learning/Zoom Astronomy [http://members.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/astronomy/sun/sun.shtml] 1998-2005<br> * <i>Usborne Internet-Linked Science Encyclopedia</i>, Usborne Publishing Ltd. {{ISBN|0794503314}}[http://www.usborne.com]<br> * Dickinson, Terrence. <i>The Universe and Beyond</i> . Firefly Books {{ISBN|1552093611}}<br> [[Wikijunior Solar System/Earth|Next Topic: Earth]] rjpbwu9ricd1lr1zvsgcoual7zo1ags 110 16736 4654282 4459660 2026-07-13T07:48:03Z Meno25 43227 rm iw 4654282 wikitext text/x-wiki <div style="float:right; border:2px solid #aaaaaa; width:250px; margin-left:0.2em; padding:0.4em"> [[Image:Mars symbol (heavy blue).svg|80px|♂]] '''Mars Facts''': *Mars is red because of rust in the surface rocks *A volcano on Mars called ''Olympus Mons'' is the highest mountain in our Solar System. *Mars has polar ice caps that look like the ones on [[../Earth/]]. *Mars has ancient river beds where scientists think liquid water flowed millions or billions of years ago. *The ''Tooting'' crater on Mars was named after a suburb in London because the discoverer "thought [his] mum and brother would get a kick out of having their home town paired with a land form on Mars". </div> Mars is the fourth planet from the Sun. It is called a ''terrestrial'' planet because its outer layers are made of rocky material like the Earth. == How big is the planet?== [[File:Mars_Earth_Comparison.png|thumb|left|Comparison of the size of Mars and the Earth]] Mars is the second smallest of the eight major planets in the Solar System. Only Mercury is smaller. It is nearly 7,000 kilometres (km) wide; just over half the width of the Earth. Its volume is about 15% of the Earth. Since a lot of the Earth is covered by water, the total surface area of the Mars is nearly as large as all of the land on the Earth. It is possible that its size may eventually permit human colonies. {{clear}} == What is its surface like? == [[File:Spirit_Lookout_L256t-A413R1_br2.jpg|center|thumb|upright=3|A panorama view from the Mars rover ''Spirit''.]] The surface of Mars is a lot like a desert on Earth; it is very dry and dusty, but it is also very cold. There are a lot of loose rocks and dunes of fine sand. Crater impacts mark the surface, but these are not as common as on the Moon. One of the craters is the huge ''Hellas Planitia''. It is about half the size of the continental United States. The southern half of the planet has more craters than in the north. The south is also higher in elevation. [[Image:Olympus Mons.jpg|thumb|An overhead view of ''Olympus Mons'', the highest mountain in the Solar System.]] There is an area on Mars called the ''Tharsis Bulge'', which has four huge volcanoes. These volcanoes have not erupted for millions of years. The largest volcano is called Olympus Mons. It is 27 km tall, making it the highest mountain in the Solar System; ''more than three times'' higher than Mount Everest on Earth. It is 625 km across and takes up an area as big as the US state of Arizona. Mars also has a huge canyon called the ''Valles Marineris''. It is much bigger than the Grand Canyon on Earth. It is 4000 km long, up to 7 km deep and up to 200 km wide. Scientists think that when the ''Tharsis Bulge'' was created, the surface of Mars cracked to form the ''Valles Marineris''. Like the Earth, Mars has ice caps at its poles. However, they are made from frozen carbon dioxide as well as ice. During the Martian winter at each pole, the cap grows as carbon dioxide from the atmosphere freezes. The cap shrinks again during the Martian summer. As on Earth, when it is winter at one pole it is summer at the other. In some places, there are dry ''channels'' that look like they were made by running water. So, a long time ago Mars may have had lakes and streams made of water. Now all of the water is frozen into ice under the surface. There is an atmosphere on Mars, but it is very thin. There is also much more carbon dioxide in it than oxygen. (Oxygen is the gas we need when we breathe in; carbon dioxide the gas we get rid of when we breathe out.) So, we would need spacesuits to visit Mars. The atmosphere helps protect the surface from smaller meteorites. When Mars comes closest to the Sun, the atmosphere can stir up storms of dust. Some of these storms are gigantic; they can cover the entire planet in clouds of dust. Dust storms on Mars can last for hundreds of days, with wind speeds of up to 200 kilometres per hour. Huge storms like these have been seen from the Earth through telescopes. {{clear}} {{ {{BOOKTEMPLATE}} }} {{{{BOOKTEMPLATE}}/Mars}} == How long is a day and year on this planet? == One day on Mars is only 39 minutes and 35 seconds longer than a day on Earth (1.026 Earth days). A year on Mars is almost two Earth years long (687 Earth days). Much like the Earth, the axis of rotation of Mars is tilted at an angle. This tilt causes seasons on Mars as it travels around the Sun. Summer occurs on the half of the planet that is tilted toward the Sun, and winter on the other half. After half a Martian year has passed, the seasons are reversed. But these seasons are about twice as long as on Earth. == What is it made of? == [[Image:Mars interior.jpg|thumb|left|visualization of the Martian interior.]] The outer, rocky surface of Mars is called the crust. Most of the crust is made from basalt, a type of rock made when lava grows cold. Like the Earth, Mars has a thick layer of rock below the crust called the mantle. The mantle is much hotter than the crust, and the mantle rock is partly molten. But the crust on Mars has grown thick, so the lava from the mantle no longer reaches the surface. There are volcanoes on Mars, but they are no longer active. At the center of Mars is a core made of the metals iron and nickel. If Mars were the same size as the Earth, the core of Mars would be smaller than the Earth's core. So a larger amount of Mars is made out of rock. Because rock is lighter than the metals in the core, Mars has a lower density than the Earth. {{clear}} == How heavy would I be on Mars? == [[Image:MarsFromAbzt.jpg|thumb|Detailed picture of Mars]] If you were on Mars, you would be lighter, as Mars' gravity only has a force about two fifths as strong as the that of Earth's. You could lift objects that weigh almost three times as much compared to similar objects here on the Earth. You could jump up almost three times higher, and it would take much longer to fall to the ground from the same height. Even though it looks as though you would be like a comic-book hero on Mars, there are some things you couldn't do. Although a big rock would ''weigh'' less and you could pick it up, it would still have the same ''mass''. If you tried to catch it, it would knock you over, and if it landed on you it would crush you. A car on the surface of Mars would need the same amount of power to speed up, although going uphill would be less of a problem. It may, however, need more room to stop. Because of the reduced gravity a vehicle would not "grip" the ground on Mars as strongly, but the constant mass would keep the vehicle moving just as strongly, making it easy to go into a skid. == Who was it named after?== In Roman mythology, Mars was the god of war and agriculture. The planet Mars was named this because the planet looks red like blood, from rust in its surface rocks. == Who discovered Mars? == Nobody knows, but the earliest records we know of were by Ancient Egyptians, more than 4000 years ago, noting Mars' movement. On one pharaoh's tomb, named ''Seti I'', Mars is drawn on the ceiling. The Babylonians (in the Middle East), Chinese, and Greeks also studied Mars more than 3000 years ago. The Greeks learned about Mars from the Babylonians, and since the Babylonians called it their god of war, named ''Nergal'', the Greeks called it their own god of war, ''Ares''. Exploration of Mars was first attempted in 1960, with Mars 1. It failed, along with several other missions by the Soviet Union in the 1960s. The first successful mission to Mars was in 1964, by Mariner 4, by the U.S. Most of the other Mariner missions to Mars were successful. The last Mariner mission to Mars, Mariner 9, got there in the midst of a dust storm, and orbited the planet for several months before it could get a good look at the surface. So far, all these missions were flybys or orbiters. The first spacecraft to land on Mars was Viking 1 in 1976. Viking 2 landed 19 days later. Together, they took many good pictures of Mars' surface. {| |- | <!-- For over 2 decades, until Pathfinder, Viking 1/2 images were our only images taken on the surface of Mars --> {{multiple image | align = left <!-- Set so all images have a height of 100 pixel. --> | width1 = 100 | width2 = 110 | width3 = 122 | width4 = 123 | width5 = 100 | width6 = 196 | image1 = Mars Viking 11h016.png | caption1 = Viking&nbsp;1 lander site (February 11, 1978). | image2 = PIA00563-Viking1-FirstColorImage-19760721.jpg | caption2 = Viking&nbsp;1 lander site (1st color, July 21, 1976). | image3 = First Color Image of the Viking Lander 2 Site.jpg | caption3 = Viking&nbsp;2 lander site (1st color, September 5, 1976). | image4 = Vl2 22g144-MarsViking2-19770925.gif | caption4 = Viking&nbsp;2 lander site (September 25, 1977). | image5 = Mars Viking 21i093.png | caption5 = Frost at Viking&nbsp;2 site (May 18, 1979). | image6 = Mars Viking 12a240.png | caption6 = Martian sunset over Chryse Planitia at Viking&nbsp;1 site (August 20, 1976). }} |} [[../Asteroid belt|Next Topic: Asteroid belt]] == References == * Steven W. Squyres, ''Mars'', World Book Online Reference Center, World Book, Inc., 2004. [http://www.nasa.gov/worldbook/mars_worldbook.html] [http://www.worldbookonline.com/wb/Article?id=ar346000] * "a ''terrestrial'' planet" [http://www.solarviews.com/eng/solarsys.htm] * "How big is the planet?" [http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/factsheet/marsfact.html] [http://solarsystem.jpl.nasa.gov/planets/profile.cfm?Object=Mars&Display=Facts] * "How long is a day on this planet?" [http://www.solarviews.com/eng/mars.htm] [http://solarsystem.jpl.nasa.gov/planets/profile.cfm?Object=Mars&Display=Facts] * "What is it made of?" Steven W. 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Ideally around 700Mhz and above with at least 256MB of memory is recommended for desktops and around 1GHz and at least 256MB for laptops/notebooks/netbooks. For web browsing, etc above 1GB is usually needed and offers the option to run web browsers, media players and other hard disk heavy usage from RAM: disk. Motherboards supported * Most Intel mobos are supported but additional pci / pci-e cards may be needed for networking, audio, etc * AMD based socket ryzen based systems work but additional pci / pci-e cards may be needed Supported graphics cards (gfx) * Nvidia 2D and 3D 2005-2015 64bit AROS Nouveau covers '''2D''' 8xxxgs and higher to GTX 9xx and '''3D''' from 8xxxGS to GTX9xx 32bit AROS supports '''2D''' from TNT to fermi gtx5xx and '''3D''' acceleration fx5xxx to gtx4xx * Intel GMA 2D and 3D 2006-2009 '''2D''' for many old netbooks and motherboards. '''3D''' for many early netbooks and motherboards * AMD/ATI 2D only and '''no 3D'''. 1999-2004 Desktop ie external monitor support only (no laptop internal support) for very early Radeon 7000 through to x600 * VESA 2D fallback modes for all graphic cards (GPUs) and with [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKCHZFYj9Kk screen dragging]. It's worth noting however that support isn't guaranteed. Nor will potential power of a card reflect its performance under AROS. Sound wise there are * HDaudio support for onboard intel and AMD netbooks, ultrabooks, notebooks and motherboards (2005 to 2020) * some AC97 codec support for very old motherboards and laptops (ie pre 2004) * PCI and some PCI-E C-Media CMI8738 for desktop plugin cards * PCI Creative Soundblaster EMU10K1 cards [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2512 SBLive] * PCI semi professional some early VIA Envy24 desktop sound cards * PCI Sound Blaster 128 aka SB16 Supported [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aros/Platforms/x86_Network_support network] which could be desktop, laptop, etc * PCI-E Realtek rtl8169 1GbE which also includes the rtl8111 and rtl8110 (2011 to 2025) * PCI Realtek rtl8139 and includes rtl8101 and rtl8100 (2005 to 2009) * PCI intel e1000 (2006 to 2009) * PCI intel pro100 (2002 to 2005) * Broadcom 44xx 10/100 integrated in laptops around 2005 * VIA 10/100 (1999 to 2002) * 3com Etherlink 10/100 * Realtek rtl8029 10mbit Wireless wifi * atheros 5000 wireless *realtek 8187 usb It is very hard to recommend a completely supported motherboard because as soon as newer motherboards arrive so their features change subtly, often introducing non supported parts like ethernet and audio. It is a moving target. * mini-itx motherboard will only get you 1 pci or pci-e slot * micro mATX or uATX will have more, typically 2 pci-e or pci slots which helps if any onboard features are not supported. * full atx will have more slots available '''N.B''' It is frustrating when a piece of hardware is not supported. Hardware documentation can run to over 100 pages and a lot of hardware do not have any public documentation anyway. Chips from different manufacturers for sound, graphics, SATA, etc. vary just as much, unless they follow a standard such as [https://github.com/acidanthera/AppleALC/wiki/Supported-codecs HDAudio codecs], AHCI etc. Coding drivers is a far cry from Hello World programs or even a port of existing software. If you do actually want to try then get a hold of documentation on the relevant hardware and start there. Alternatively you could try to find some '''BSD''', MIT or MPL licence drivers as a point of reference. Please , do not think you can just adapt strings in a driver for different strings, it does not work that way. You will '''need''' to start from scratch for each new bit of hardware. Device driver programming require '''embedded''' skills, like manipulation of bits within registers, good debugging skills, dealing with interrupts, lots of patience, etc. The following specific chipsets and drivers are also available - use Tools/PCITool to confirm Vendor and Product IDs - Please let us know any mistakes or any information to be added, to this General Chat list on [https://arosworld.org/ AROS World] : Brief Timeline : 2000-12-06 HIDD first mouse.hidd completed ([http://msaros.blogspot.com/ Michal Schulz]) : 2001-03-31 BOOT first boot from floppy disk with IDE device : 2001-10-30 BOOT first cd bootable version : 2002-01-27 HIDD first pci.hidd added (Michal Schulz) : 2002-04-13 BOOT software HDToolBox added () : 2003-04-03 HIDD vesa2.hidd graphic modes added () : 2004-03-08 HIDD new pci and ata (pata) devices worked on (Michal Schulz) : 2004-03-17 HIDD nVidia 2D driver appears (Michal Schulz) : 2005-01-05 AHI AHI v6 audio system ported (Martin Blom) : 2005-01-06 AHI SBLive SoundBlaster Live driver ported (Georg Steger) : 2005-02-04 AHI AC97 playback only driver added (Michal Schulz) : 2005-06-27 NIC amiTCP stack ported with 3com, NE2000, prism2 drivers (Neil Cafferkey) : 2005-08-25 NIC nForce2 support added (Michal Schulz) : 2005-12-24 NIC Intel Pro100 network driver added (Neil Cafferkey) : 2006-03-25 HIDD ATI radeon 2D driver added (Michal Schulz) : 2007-03-06 HIDD vesa 1.0 video driver added (Pavel Fedin) : 2007-03-08 HIDD dospackets and FAT filesystem (Rob Norris) : 2007-03-21 HIDD usb initial commit (Michal Schulz) : 2007-10-01 BOOT Installer added (Neil Cafferkey) : 2007-11-29 PORT 64bit x86 added (Michal Schulz) : 2008-04-12 BOOT GRUB2 added (Alain Greppin and Nick Andrews) : 2008-08-26 NIC RTL8139 added ([http://kalamatee.blogspot.com/ Nick Andrews]) : 2008-10-22 PORT to SAM440ep (ppc) (Michal Schulz) : 2009-02-25 PORT to efika (ppc) (Michal Schulz) : 2009-05-18 HIDD poseidon usb2.0 stack ported to AROS (Chris Hodges) : 2009-11-18 NIC RTL8169 network driver arrived (Nick Andrews and [http://pagesperso-orange.fr/franck.charlet/oldnews.html Franck Charlet]) : 2009-12-23 AHI HDAudio based Atom CPU and netbook audio driver arrived (Davy Wentzler) : 2010-03-09 BOOT USB pendrive stick booting available (Neil Cafferkey) : 2010-05-26 HIDD Intel GMA900 2D graphics card support (Michal Schulz) : 2010-09-03 NIC Wireless PCI based NIC arrived (Neil Cafferkey) : 2011-04-30 HIDD Nvidia 2D and 3D nouveau graphics card support for Aros 32bit (Deadwood) : 2011-08-30 HIDD Radeon 2D enhanced AMD driver arrives (Bearsoft) : 2011-09-17 NIC Wireless USB realtek arrives (Neil Cafferkey) : 2011-12-09 HIDD Intel 945G 3D Gallium graphics support (Sami) : 2013-02-25 AHI AC97 VIA 686 audio support (Davy Wentzler and Neil Cafferkey) : 2013-03-31 PORT early Raspberry PI native support (Nik Andrews) : 2014-01-16 AHI Envy24 audio chipset support (Davy Wentzler and Neil Cafferkey) : 2017-02-17 PORT Symmetric MultiProcessing smp added for x86 64bit (Michal Schulz) : 2018-10-20 PORT Big Endian ARM : 2021-11-26 NIC Broadcom 44xx ethernet (Neil Cafferkey) : 2023-01-12 NIC Nvidia MCP61 ethernet (Neil Cafferkey) : 2025-11-23 HIDD xHCI USB3 and isoc (Nik Andrews) : 2026-07-25 HIDD Nouveau nvidia for Aros 64bit (Deadwood) [[#top|...to the top]] ===Audio Chipsets=== '''If sound beeps in AHI prefs after Music set then some support is there. Select more than one channel for multiple audio streams, set frequency up to 44 kHz or higher and set the volume if not already set. Ensure you set the music unit 0 to 3 which allows the extra features of the audio card like microphone, line-out, etc).''' ====1996-2000 sb128.audio aka SB16 PCI==== *2021 5.27 as per CREATIVE's website, the model number is the first two digits on the front and first two digits on the back. my card says CT4810 and 161TK110B 995; this translates to CT4816 as the model. The original AudioPCI 3000 card with the ES1370 had a master clock crystal for 44.1 kHz (22.5792 MHz), used an AKM codec (AK4531, non-AC97) and had 4 channel output; Creative later modified the design with a crystal for 48 kHz (24.576 MHz) and Sigmatel AC97 codec (a CT4700 SB128 with a CT5507 chip, AK4531, 22.5792 MHz crystal and TDA7360 speaker power amp). The issue with these cards involved never quite eliminate the effects of resampling on the 64V, it also shows signs of undersized coupling caps. These Ensoniq cards automatically engaged headphone amplifier (with a 4565 opamp). Porting involved [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/b60abd12967144a844980c422ea9e99c056eabca 40897], [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/b7d6511fca6430a63fbaaa390b4f51bf0203a460 40898 configure], [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/f51034cd22759a4ec3a2547bddb3a7169d956eaa 40900 bugs], [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/4f43fc38e3489ea45d12b7b5ba6fff50b69c5746 40901 further bugs], [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/d23c78aec75f049484b6916d27b6804ce858bb2c 40913 memory IO fixes], [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/d256860fe3035016952e88d143c6f2611997f2f3 40914 irq fix]. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Description ! width="10%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Playback ! width="10%" |Recording ! width="35%" |Comments |- | Ensoniq AudioPCI 1000 | 0x1274 | 0x5000 | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested - es1370 (u?) AK4531 (u?) |- | Ensoniq AudioPCI | 0x1274 | 0x5000 | 0x00 | {{yes}} | {{maybe}} | |- | CT4700 Sound Blaster PCI 64 (audioPCI 3000) | 0x1274 | 0x5000 | 0x7c | {{yes}} | {{maybe}} | works - opamp JRC4565(u?) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ensoniq_ES1370 es1370] (u?) |- | CT4750 Sound Blaster 64/PCI | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested - 4565-1056W (u1) stac9708t(u2) [http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=916891 ct5880-dcq] (u3) 24wc012 (u4) |- | CT4751 (SB128PCI) | 0x1274 | 0x8001 | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_Blaster#Ensoniq_AudioPCI-based_cards es1371] (u?) |- | CT4810 Creative AudioPCI64V | 0x1274 | 0x1371 | 0x06 | {{yes}} | {{maybe}} | works |- | CT4811 (SB Vibra 128) | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested |- | CT4812 (Vibra 128) | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested |- | CT4813 | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested |- | CT4815 | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested |- | CT4816 es1373 (vibra 128) | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested but this card has creative's ES1373 as the main chip(U1). it is also different from the other CT4810 (vibra128) in that it does not have a second chip in U2 position. Also there is only one jumper JP1 (2X3). |- | CT5801 HP | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested - es1373 (u3) |- | CT5803 Gateway | 0x1274 | 0x1371 | 0x08 | {{yes}} | {{maybe}} | works 4565-0005b jrc (u1) 4297a-jq ztae0c0002 (u2) es1373 (u3) |- | CT4740 | 0x1274 | 0x1371 | 0x08 | {{yes}} | {{yes}} | |- | CT5805 Compaq OEM Premier Sound Presario 7 | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested - es1373 (u3) |- | CT5806 (Sound Blaster AudioPCI 128D) | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested - 4297A-JO EP (u?) ZTAPWC9933 (u2) es1373 (u3) |- | CT5807 Dell OEM Dimension 8100 | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested - es1373 (u?) |- | CT5808 | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested |- | CT4730 Sound Blaster AudioPCI 64V Ectiva EV1938 | 0x1102 | 0x8938 | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested |- | CT5880 on various motherboards | 0x1274 | 0x5880 | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested [http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mainboards/display/ga-6rx.html Gigabyte GA-6RX] (VIA ApolloPro 266 2001], Gigabyte GA-6VM7-4E mobo, [http://active-hardware.com/english/reviews/mainboard/ga-7vtx.htm Gigabyte GA-7VTX] (KT266 2001), Gigabyte [http://www.amdboard.com/gigabytega7vtxh.html GA-7VTXH] (KT266A 2001), [http://www.amdboard.com/gigabytega7vrxp.html Gigabyte 7VRXP] mobo (KT333 2002), MSI MS-6309, MS-6318, MS-6337 (815E Pro), MS-6339 (850Pro) and MS-6340, PCChips Motherboard M571 TXPRO, Soltek SL-65ME+, |- | VMware Virtual Workstation(TM) | 0x1274 | 0x1371 | 0x02 | {{Yes|but not Hi-Fi modes}} | {{maybe}} | works |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} <pre> Revision 0x04 = ES1371 REV_ES1373_A Revision 0x06 = ES1371 REV_ES1373_B Revision 0x07 = ES1371 REV_CT5880_A Revision 0x02 = CT5880 REV_CT5880_C Revision 0x03 = CT5880 REV_CT5880_D Revision 0x04 = CT5880 REV_CT5880_E Revision 0x09 = ES1371 REV_ES1371_B Revision 0x00 = EV1938 REV_EV1938_A Revision 0x08 = ES1371 REV_ES1373_8 </pre> ====1999-2001 via-ac97.audio==== *2021 5.10 {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Description ! width="10%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Playback ! width="10%" |Recording ! width="35%" |Comments |- | <!--Description-->694X with 686A KT133 PM133 or 693A with VT8231 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1106 | <!--Product ID-->0x3058 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes| }} redirects earphones correctly | <!--Recording-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Comments-->audio controller works but depends on the underlying invisible codec used see AC97 section |- | <!--Description-->686B KT133A with VT8231 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1106 | <!--Product ID-->0x3058 | <!--Revision-->0x50 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes|}} reroutes ear pieces right | <!--Recording-->{{Yes|}} | <!--Comments-->audio controller works but depends on the underlying codec used see AC97 section below |- | <!--Description-->686C | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1106 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->KM266 or KT266 with VT8233, KT266A with VT8233A, VT8233C | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1106 | <!--Product ID-->0x3059 | <!--Revision-->0x10 | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->KM333 KT333 with VT8235 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1106 | <!--Product ID-->0x3059 | <!--Revision-->0x30 | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->KM400 KT400 with VT8237, KT600 with VT8237R, | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1106 | <!--Product ID-->0x3059 | <!--Revision-->0x40 0x50 0x60 | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====1998-2003 emu10kx.audio - Creative Labs SoundBlaster Live! and Audigy==== *2021 6.5 {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Description ! width="10%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Playback ! width="10%" |Recording ! width="35%" |Comments |- | PCI512 CT4790 (emu10k1) | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x0 | <!--Playback--> {{unk}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | untested (1st Gen) |- | Live CT4620 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x0 | <!--Playback--> {{unk}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | untested |- | Live CT4760 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x07 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | playback works |- | Live Value CT4670 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x0 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | works plays stereo (2nd Gen) |- | Live Value DELL CT4780 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x06 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | plays/records stereo - untested 4.1mode |- | Live Value Compaq CT4830 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x0 | <!--Playback--> {{Maybe}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | not working |- | Live Value CT4831 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x00 | <!--Playback--> {{unk}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | untested |- | Live Value CT4832 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x07 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{partial|Line-In only}} | works |- | Live Value CT4832 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x08 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{maybe}} | works |- | Live Value HP CT4870 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{maybe}} | Works |- | Live Value Gateway CT4871 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | | <!--Playback--> {{unk}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | untested |- | Live! Platinum 5.1 SB0060 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x00 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{yes}} | plays audio/records, untested 5.1 (3rd Gen) |- | Live 5.1 SB0100 -SFF | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x00 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{maybe}} | works |- | Live 5.1 Player SB0220 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x0a | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{yes}} | plays audio/records stereo, untested 5.1 |- | Live 5.1 Digital SB0228 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x0a | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{yes}} | working |- | Audigy SB0090 (emu10k2) | 0x1102 | 0x0004 | | <!--Playback--> {{unk}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | untested |- | <!--Description-->Audigy SB0230 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1102 | <!--Product ID-->0x0004 | <!--Revision-->0x03 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Yes|Mic only}} | <!--Comments-->5th Dec 2012 - untested optical tos link. contains also IEEE1394/Firewire (untested) |- | Audigy 2 Platinum 6.1 SB0240 SB0250 EMU10K2.5 | 0x1102 | 0x0004 | 0x04 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{maybe}} | works |- | Audigy 2 PRO SB0280 EMU10K2.5 | 0x1102 | 0x0004 | | <!--Playback--> {{unk}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | untested |- | Audigy 2 ZS SB0350 | 0x1102 | 0x0004 | 0x04 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{yes}} | |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | Live 5.1 DELL SB0200 SB0203 emu10kx | 0x1102 | 0x0006 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | |- | Live 24bit SB0410 | 0x1102 | 0x0007 | 0x | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | Live 24bit DELL SB0413 | 0x1102 | 0x0007 | 0x | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | Audigy LS SB0310 | 0x1102 | 0x0007 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | Audigy SE 7.1 SB0570 | 0x1102 | 0x0007 | | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | Audigy 2 ZS SB0320 SB0360 (PRO) | 0x1102 | 0x0008 | | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | Audigy 2 VALUE SB0400 | 0x1102 | 0x0008 | | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | Audigy 4 VALUE SB0610 | 0x1102 | 0x0008 | | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | Audigy 4 PRO SB0380 | 0x1102 | 0x0008 | | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | EMU E-MU 0404 PCI (not USB) EM8852 | 0x1102 | 0x000 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver but linux support needs firmware |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} the green jack is for the main speaker pair AND headphones, so manual switching will be required If your card is wired for the "AC97" standard, then it's up to your headphone jack to switch the green speaker output in and out the headphone jack has Normally-closed contacts that will open on insertion, which breaks the signal path back to the sound card (FP_RETURN) ====2000-2010 cmi8738.audio - C-Media==== *2021 5.20 ;Read [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2512 more] and imported on [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/aff741d60160c6a9d7d39c9e004a25ea3aa13847 20th July 2011] and [http://alsa.opensrc.org/Cmipci alsa docs]. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Description ! width="10%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Playback ! width="10%" |Recording ! width="35%" |Comments |- | Audiotrak MAYA EX5 | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | cmi8738-sx 4ch | 0x13f6 | 0x0111 | 0x10 | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | e3dx hsp56 CMedia 8738-sx 4ch | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | EDio SC3000D 6ch | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Genius SoundMaker Value PCI C3DX | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Guillemot Maxi Sound Muse | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Hercules Gamesurround Muse LT | 0x13f6 | 0x0111 | 0x10 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{no}} | |- | Hercules Gamesurround Muse XL LT 5.1 | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Inno audio extreme 5.1 cmi8738/lx pci 6ch | 0x13f6 | 0x0111 | 0x | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | M-Audio (Midiman) DiO 2448 | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Sabrent SBT-SP6C 6ch | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | StarTech PCISOUND4CH 8738sx 4ch | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Sweex SC012 CMI8738-lx 4ch | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Terratec 5.1 PCI | 0x13f6 | 0x0111 | 0x10 | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Terratec Aureon Fun 5.1 | | | | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | Has SPDIF |- | Trust Sound Expert Digital Surround 5.1 (cm8738-mx 6ch) | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Turtle Beach Riviera CMI8738-MX 6ch | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | XSonic CMI 8738 6ch | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->CMI8738 6ch PCI-E PCI Express version | <!--Vendor ID-->0x13f6 | <!--Product ID-->0x0111 | <!--Revision-->0x10 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes|}} | <!--Recording-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--Comments-->Chinese based card with playback tested so far |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====2001-2005 ac97.audio==== *6.4 27-12-2008 The AC97 chips were designed to be pinout interchangeable so that the sound support could change easily and quickly without motherboard redesigns the green jack is for the main speaker pair AND headphones, so manual switching will be required If your card is wired for the "AC97" standard, then it's up to your headphone jack to switch the green speaker output in and out, the headphone jack has Normally-closed contacts that will open on insertion, which breaks the signal path back to the sound card (FP_RETURN) The ProductID and VendorID are for the audio controller only - the important additional codec is '''NOT''' so easily identified. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Description ! width="10%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Playback ! width="10%" |Recording ! width="35%" |Comments |- | <!--Description-->Avance Logic (now Realtek) ALC100 and ALC101 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->ALC200 and ALC201 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->ALC201A and ALC202 and ALC202A codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->ALC650 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->most Nforce2 boards plays audio only - Abit NF7, Asus A7N8X, MSI K7N2, Epox 8RDA+, DFI |- | <!--Description-->ALC850 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->no support for via P4P800 chipset on ASUS A8V-E SE Deluxe mobo - ICaros 1.3 |- | <!--Description-->Realtek ALC653 codec and ALC655 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested Acorp 7NFU400 |- | <!--Description-->Realtek ALC658 codec ALC658D | <!--Vendor ID-->0x8080 | <!--Product ID-->0x24c5 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes|Prefs Music and Units 0-3 set volume control - playback}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->MSI Motherboard on NB 22-09-2012 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->AD1881 SoundMAX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments-->Analog Devices first AC97 |- | <!--Description-->AD1881A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Yes}} | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments-->works with VIA Controller - untested Intel etc |- | <!--Description-->AD1881B | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->AD1885 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->Playback only with issues on D845HV but not working on MS-6367 because Units 0-3 have masked volume control |- | <!--Description-->AD1886 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->AD1887 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ADI AD1888 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments--> Icaros 1.51 |- | <!--Description-->AD1980 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->AD1981A codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested IBM X30 |- | <!--Description-->Analog Devices SoundMax(TM) AD1981B codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->plays back only on IBM T41 Thinkpad |- | <!--Description-->AD1985 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->not working ahi prefs freezes on D865GLC mobo ([http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/multimedia/display/int-sound2_3.html ] |- | <!--Description-->AD1986 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested [http://uk.ts.fujitsu.com/rl/servicesupport/techsupport/Boards/Motherboards/Fujitsu/D1931/D1931.htm D1931] but works (Acer Aspire 3610 laptop) |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->Crystal Semiconductors CS4205, CS4202 codecs | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Cirrus Logic CrystalWare 4236 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Cirrus Logic CrystalClear SoundFusion CS4297 CS4299 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested IBM T23 |- | <!--Description-->conexant Cx20468-31 codec (id 30) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x103c | <!--Product ID-->0x3085 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No|AC97 appears in AHI Prefs}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->Tested AspireOS 1.8 on Gateway W322 |- | <!--Description-->ESS Technology ES1921 AC'97 2.1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->CMI 6501 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested on ASROCK SKT-AM2 AM2NF3-VSTA |- | <!--Description-->codec CMI9738 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->codec CMI9739 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->C-Media CMI 9739A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments--> untested on EPoX 8RDA3+ |- | <!--Description-->CMedia CMI 9761A codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested ASRocK K7NF2-RAID |- | <!--Description-->C-Media CMI9880 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->National Semi conductor (now TI) LM4540, LM4543, LM4545, LM4546, LM4548, LM4549, LM4550 LM4560 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->STAC9708T codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->SigmaTel (now IDT) C-Major STAC 9460 (D/A only), 9461, 9462, 9463, 9200, 9202, 9250, 9251, 9220, 9221, 9223, 9750 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->AKM (Asahi Kasei Microsystems) AK 4540, 4543, 4544A, 4545 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->codec VT1616 (VIA Six-TRAC Vinyl Audio) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->VIA VT1612, VT82C686 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ESStech ESS ES1968 maestro-2 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x125d | <!--Product ID-->0x1968 | <!--Revision-->0x | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ESStech ESS ES1978 maestro2e | <!--Vendor ID-->0x125d | <!--Product ID-->0x1978 | <!--Revision-->0x | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ESStech ESS ES1988 maestro3 allegro-1 codec | <!--Vendor ID-->0x125d | <!--Product ID-->0x1988 | <!--Revision-->0x12 | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Yamaha AC97 ymf-743 YMF752 YMF753 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested ymf-753 |- | <!--Description-->YMF724 YMF744 YMF-754 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | SIS 7018 / Trident 4dwave DX/NX / ALi 5451 | 0x1039 (0x1023 Trident) | 0x7018 (0x2000 Trident DX) (0x2001 Trident NX) | 0x02 | <!--Playback-->{{No}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | no support - introduced early 2000s |- | SIS 7012 | 0x1039 | 0x7012 | | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | working through 1 speaker only took over from SIS7018 (2002 onwards) |- | <!--Description-->Wolfson (now Cirrus Logic) WM9701, WM9701A (AC'97 1.03 spec), WM9703, WM9704 (AC'97 2.1), WM9705, WM9706, WM9707, WM9708 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->WM9709, WM9710, WM9711, WM9712, WM971 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments-->first Microsoft(TM) Xbox DAC sound chip (AC Link compliant D/A converter) |- | <!--Description-->Wolfson WM9717 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | Parallels | | | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | untested |- | VirtualBox | | | | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | working |- | VirtualPC | | | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | untested |- | <!--Description-->Intel 82801AA Proxmox | <!--Vendor ID-->0x8086 | <!--Product ID-->0x | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====2005-20xx HDAUDIO.audio==== *6.36 2025 [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/43b33a9280b10963ca659de2cc3d1cf289b43a87 reset handler] *6.35 202 [] *6.34 2019 AROS One 1.5 upwards *6.29 2018 *6.27 2017 update *6.25 2014 used for most Icaros 2.x *6.20 July 2012 *6.17 Nov 2011 *6.15 Jun 2011 *[http://www.clusteruk.com/SitePortalPage.aspx?siteid=1&did=109 6.13] Sep 2010 {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="5%" |Product ID ! width="5%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Playback ! width="10%" |Recording ! width="35%" |Comments |- | <!--Description-->ALC260 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC262 * ALC262-VD2-GR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->LQFP-48 |- | ALC268 codec | 0x | 0x | 0x | <!--Playback-->{{Yes|Version 6.17 Acer AOA110 and AOA150 netbooks), works (Dell Mini Inspiron 9 and 10v, }} | <!--Recording-->{{Yes|Version 6.17 remove QUERY and select 'Mic 1' as input. Tested with 6.15 as well using QuickRecord and AE 4.0.23 under Icaros 1.4.}} | <!--Comments-->AHI UNITS and Music are set to: hdaudio:HiFi 16 bit stereo++ / Frequency 48000 Hz, Volume +0.0 dB. The hdaudio.config in SYS:Prefs/Env-Archive is WITHOUT the QUERY-line. After changing and saving the config-file turn off and start again the computer. Switch from internal loudspeaker to headphone you must turn off the music before plug in the headphone-cable, otherwise there is no output on the socket. Back from line-out to internal speakers it is the same. |- | [http://blog.foool.net/wp-content/uploads/linuxdocs/sound.pdf Linux docs ALC269] * ALC269Q-GR * ALC269QSRS-GR * ALC269W-GR | 0x | 0x | 0x | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->TQFP 48 pin Power IC Chip From [https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/alsa-devel/patch/1408118123-15849-1-git-send-email-tiwai@suse.de/ ALC269 & co have many vendor-specific setups with COEF verbs, result in the codec stalling] |- | [http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=0321f8479fd670cd510f9912b1120fe7edcf2e07 ALC269VB] * ALC269Q-VB5-GR * ALC269Q-VB6-CG * ALC269Q-VB6-GR | 0x10ec | 0x0269 | 0x100004, 0x100100, 0x100202 | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe|some versions work}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> * v1 works Asus eee PC netbook 901/1000HA 1005HA/1008HA, 1001P, * v2 maybe working Lenovo S9 S10 S10-2 S10-3 under HDAudio version 6.13 * v3 maybe dell wyse 7010 |- | [http://alsa-project.org/db/?f=9c1746c5957b0ce72ff9cfffa312e97d14baf785 ALC269VC aka ALC3202] * ALC269Q-VC2-GR * ALC269Q-VC3-GR | 0x10ec | 0x0269 | 0x100203, | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe|some versions work}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->SMT SMD QFN-48 - * v1 unknown * v2 unknown * v3 x230, dell wyse, |- | ALC272 * ALC272-VA4-GR | 0x10ec | 0x0272 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | * works Acer AOD150 and Acer AOD250 works [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33755&forum=28#616910 Samsung NP-NC10], works Samsung NF210-A02] netbooks, |- | <!--Description-->ALC273 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC270 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC282 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1002 | <!--Product ID-->0x | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No|Version 6.17}} | <!--Recording-->{{No|Version 6.17}} | <!--Comments-->needs retest |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC660 ALC660-VD | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> * works asus F9s, F9e * untested asus w7j, M51SN, A6Tc, A8Sr, |- | <!--Description-->ALC661-GR (2011) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | ALC662 | 0x1043 | 0x82a1 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes|Version 6.17 if QUERY added to top of hdaudio.config}} | <!--Recording-->{{No|Version 6.17 not working for eee pc 900}} | * works Asus eee PC netbook 700/701/900, Atom 270 and 330 mobos, odd clicks (D410 NM10 PineTrail), |- | <!--Description-->[http://outpost.fr/rmaa/ALC663.htm ALC663] | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10ec | <!--Product ID-->0x0861 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No|Version 6.13}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->not bad output like headphone amp part of the codec actually works well but messed up by undersized coupling capacitors to actually support such a low impedance * not working Asus n50vn x71vn, |- | <!--Description-->ALC665 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC666 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC667 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC668 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC670 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->ALC880 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->some 915 and 925 chipset mobos |- | <!--Description-->ALC882M | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | Realtek ALC883 ALC883-GR ALC883D-GR ALC883DTS-GR ALC883DD-GR codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe|some early versions work }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk| }} | 2005 to 2007 HD Audio codec untested (Asus ), |- | Codec ALC885 | 0x10ec | 0x0885 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | ALC888 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | ALC888s * ALC888S-VD2-GR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} MSI Wind U90/U100, | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | LQFP-48 |- | ALC888b | 0x8086 | 0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | untested (D510 NM10 Dual Core PineTrail mobo), |- | ALC888-VD | 0x8086 | 0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | untested |- | ALC889A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes|works if QUERY added to the top of hdaudio.config in Prefs drawer/directory}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | ALC889 Gr | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} with crackles | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | ALC889 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | Tested with MSI H55 board |- | ALC887 ALC887-GR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | * working on ASUS P5KPL/EPU and Gigabyte GA-E350N-Win8 Rev1.0 |- | ALC887-VD-CG | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10ec | <!--Product ID-->0x0887 | <!--Revision-->0x100302 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} Subsystem Id: 0x1458a002 | |- | ALC887-VD | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10ec | <!--Product ID-->0x0887 0x1458 | <!--Revision-->0xa002 | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} index = 2 | ALC887 does not have any volume control ability on the mixer NIDs, so put the volume controls on the dac NIDs instead * working with intermittent corrupting pop popping skipping stuttering sound issues MSI 760GM-P23 (FX), * not working Gigabyte H61MA-D3V, AT3IONT-I Deluxe, |- | ALC887-VD2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | 3jacks |- | ALC887-VD2-GR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | ALC887- | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | ALC892-CG rev | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk| }} | 2011 48-pin LQFP Green package - |- | ALC892 ALC892-DTS-CG rev | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | 2009 introduced * works * not working * untested |- | ALC892 rev | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0x10ec | <!--Product ID-->0x0892 | <!--Revision-->0x100302 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk| }} | 2014 |- | Realtek ALC886-GR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk| }} | LQFP-48 |- | Codec ALC861 ALC861-VD | 0x10ec | <!--Product ID-->0x0663 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | * not working Toshiba Tecra A7 |- | <!--Description-->ALC1200 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | ALC898 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | not working |- | <!--Description-->ALC1500 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC aka ALC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC3232 (aka ALC292) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10ec | <!--Product ID-->0x0292 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC aka ALC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC3234 aka ALC255 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10ec | <!--Product ID-->0x0255 | <!--Revision-->003 | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC aka ALC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC3287 aka ALC257 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{yes| }} | <!--Recording-->{{no| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC aka ALC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC aka ALC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->AD1882 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->AD1883 HD Codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->AD1884 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Analog Devices SoundMAX AD1981 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0 | <!--Product ID-->0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | IBM Thinkpad T60, |- | AD1984 hp-m4 codec | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0 | <!--Product ID-->0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{No}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | * audio not working on Lenovo X61, Thinkpad T61, |- | AD1986 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0 | <!--Product ID-->0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | AD1988 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0 | <!--Product ID-->0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{No}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | <!--Description-->AD1988A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->Cirrus Logic CS4207 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0 | <!--Product ID-->0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | |- | <!--Description-->Cirrus Logic CS4208 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0 | <!--Product ID-->0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20549 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe|very very very low volume}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested Fujitsu Amilo SI 1510 1520 no datasheet for the general public |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20549-12Z codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested HP 530 |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20561 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> * working lenovo x200s * untested Lenovo Essential G555 Notebook, HP Pavilion dv6700, |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20582 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX2059x CX20590 CX20594-21Z codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20585 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> * working Lenovo Thinkpad T410, |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20672 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20671 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20751-21Z codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{yes| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX11852 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX11880 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Conexant after 2015 up to 2018 CX7501 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no|no driver codec}} | <!--Recording-->{{no|no driver codec}} | <!--Comments-->Conexant bought by synaptics 2019 |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->C-Media CMI9880 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->Gigabyte GA-8GPNXP |- | <!--Description-->Silicon Labs 3054 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | VIA 1708A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | untested, |- | VIA VT1708B | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | 0x0010 | <!--Playback-->{{No|VIA PicoITX}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | VIA 1708S | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | <!--Description-->VT2021 10ch | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments-->Gigabyte Z77MX-D3H, GA-H61M-S2H‎ S2P, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Creative CA0110-IBG | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->SigmaTel STAC 9220 9221 9223 8ch (7+1) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->ECS 945GCT/M-1333 (version 3.0), |- | IDT SigmaTec [http://explorer.cekli.com/articles/pdf/hd-audio STAC9227] /28/29/30 codec | <!--Vendor ID-->0x8384 | <!--Product ID-->0x7626 | <!--Revision-->0x0002 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | * works HP Compaq mini 110 * untested HP Pavilion HDX9000 CTO Notebook, Intel DG33TL mobo, Dell E520, Intel DP35DP mobo, Dell E6410 Laptop, |- | IDT (formerly SigmaTel) IDC STAC 9271/71D | <!--Vendor ID-->0x8384 | <!--Product ID-->0x7626 | <!--Revision-->0x0002 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | <!--Description-->IDC STAC 9272 9273 9274 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments-->Intel D5400XS, |- | <!--Description-->IDT 92HD73C | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{yes}} | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments-->headphones only Asus AT4NM10 mobo |- | <!--Description-->IDT 92HD75B | <!--Vendor ID-->0x111d | <!--Product ID-->0x7608 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> * working [http://koti.kapsi.fi/jvaltane/aros/hdaudio/ HP Compaq Mini 700 Netbook - feedback required] * untested HP Mini 5103 and 5102, HP Compaq 610, HP ProBook Laptop 4520s 4525s 6450b 6550b 6555b, HP EliteBook 2540p 2740p 8440p, Mobile Workstation 8540w 8740w, Pavilion NoteBook DV8, |- | <!--Description-->IDC 92HD81XX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->IDC 92HD83XX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->IDC STAC 92HD89XX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->IDC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->IDC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->IDC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->IDC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Wolfson (now Cirrus Logic) WM8850 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Wolfson WM8860 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments-->Intel High Definition Audio Revision 1.0. - 4-Channel DAC, 4-channel ADC. - DAC sampling |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} Using Prefs/AHI ensure you set the music unit and at least Units 0 (where most audio comes from) in top left drop down menu to HDaudio - HIFI in the section below. Set Units 1 or 2 to microphone or other outputs. Plus allow more than one channel for multiple audio streams and set frequency up to 44 kHz or higher on the right hand side of the ahi prefs. If sound beeps when you press the test button then all should be OK. Output <- Codec <- Audio Controller (HDA) <-> Computer codecs and exact hardware identifier. As mentioned above, HDA is only part of the work here, it gets the audio out of the main chipset in digital format (on a bus called I2S). This is not enough, there is another step needed which is routing that I2S signal to the output, converting it to actual audio, amplifying it, etc. This is handled by a separate chip called a "codec". Sometimes it is initialized by the BIOS, but this is not always the case. Most audio drivers are made up of two parts a [http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sound/alsa/HD-Audio.txt Controller + a Codec]. The ProductID and VendorID are for the audio controller only - the important additional codec is '''NOT''' so easily identified. Some newer versions of codecs are missing at the moment. Things to try if sound not working * try to connect something to the audio jack, maybe it is not playing on internal speakers or vice versa * make sure you try and select all music units e.g. unit0, unit1.... * even if PCI ID's are in Prefs/Env-Archive/HDaudio.config, this doesn't mean it is working, it is the codec that matters * it might be internally muted <pre> add debug=memory to grub boot line - continue booting with F10 Open a shell Tools/Debug/Bifteck > RAM:audio.txt </pre> or <pre> Open a shell Tools/Debug/Sashimi > RAM:audio.txt Run ahi prefs Click test tone button Stop sashimi with Ctrl-C </pre> If the boot sound is enabled, you have to use Bifteck to capture AHI debug output. In the GRUB menu, press E on your selected entry, then add "debug=memory" to the options (alongside ATA=, vesa= etc.). Then F10 or Ctrl-X to boot. Once booted, run Tools/Debug/Bifteck again. or * try adding QUERYD to the start of ENVARC:hdaudio.config file (also known as Prefs/Env-Archive/) ie. on the first line * '''OR''' try removing QUERY and QUERYD from the start of the hdaudio.config file * Reboot * open a shell * type: sys:tools/debug/sashimi > ram:debug.txt * open ahi prefs * select one of the audio modes - HIFI or otherwise * press the 'test sound' button * press ctrl-c in the shell * post the results to Aros-World The HD Audio standard was designed to be hardware pinout interchangeable so that the sound support could change easily and quickly. HDA is a standard around particular chips. Each kind of chip has a certain number of DACs and pins, and even the same chip could be hooked up in different ways on different motherboards. The chips are programmable and the operating system can adjust how things are routed. Some pins aren’t even hooked up, so it makes no sense to route sound to them. Also some pins have sensors that can tell when something is plugged in, so that for example the speakers in a laptop can be muted when headphones are plugged in. Pins are also grouped, so for example all the outputs for a 5.1 sound system are grouped. Generally the HDA driver in the operating system is supposed to read the pin set up and figure out a reasonable way to set things up, and disconnected pins should be ignored, etc. HDAudio standard has headphones on a separate DAC, and it's up to the driver.. it can even send different audio to the headphones without interrupting the main (green) outputs ====Envy24 series ==== A little history. VIA bought the ICE created Envy chipsets [http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/audio/controllers/comparison_controller.jsp VT1712] first. A few years later, they created several cheaper variants VT1724 (mixer missing), VT1721 (low end cut down), VT1720 (embedded on motherboard) and lastly the VT1723 (no support apart from Windows Envy24DT like SYBA SD-PEX63034). There are PCI Express versions appearing. The Envy24 is the base product that was originally designed by ICEnsemble, and it supports multi-channel hardware mixing, which is great for professional use. The HT version removes the hardware mixer (unimportant for non-professional uses). The [http://www.avsforum.com/t/364771/envy24ht-s-the-definitive-source HT-S] version is almost exactly the same as the HT, it just uses cheaper DACs. The PT version is exactly the same as the HT-S version, it is just the edition used for on-board audio on motherboards. N.B. [http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec04/articles/pcnotes.htm PCI slot identification] and [http://hsi.web.cern.ch/HSI/s-link/devices/s32pci64/slottypes.html 3.3v PCI]. =====[http://www.opensound.com/readme/README.Envy24.html envy24.audio] - [http://www.anime.net/~goemon/alsa/ VT1712] ===== {| class="wikitable" ! Description ! Vendor ID ! Product ID ! Revision ! Playback ! Recording ! Comments |- | M-Audio Delta 66 - Rev B 1999 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested AK4524VF CS8404A-CS - needs Delta Series break out box with D-sub lead - |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles/maudioaudiophile/index.html Audiophile 2496] Rev A 2000 | 0x14 | 0x | | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{unk| }} | works audio out on - I2S stereo codec AKM AK4528VF with the 24bit/96kHz DAC and ADC; CS8427 digital transceiver |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles/maudioaudiophile/index.html Audiophile 2496] Rev B 2003 | 0x14 | 0x | | <!--Playback-->{{Yes }} | <!--Recording--> | works well - I2S stereo codec AKM AK4528VF with the 24bit/96kHz DAC and ADC; CS8427 digital transceiver |- | M-Audio Delta 410 - 2001 2001 REV-B | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested for D-A AK4529VQ converters with CS8427-CS 5532 1158B or Event Echo Gina 20-Bit Multitrack Interface Breakout Box - |- | M-Audio Delta 1010 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested AK5383 and AK4393 - 25 pin dsub - |- | M-Audio Delta 1010LT 1010E | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested for D-A AK4529 converters with 2 XLR Microphone inputs with pre amps * be aware of redesign in 2007 - possible issues |- | M Audio Delta 44 - Rev A 2002 - Rev B 2003 - Rev D 2003 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested ICE1712G AK4524VF needs breakout box with 15 pin D-sub lead - |- | M-Audio Delta 66 Rev E 2006 - Omni Studio | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested needs break out box with 15 pin D-sub lead - |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio Delta DiO 2496 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Terratec EWX24/96 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/terratecdmx6fire/index.html TerraTec 6fire DMX 24/96] | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1412 | <!--Product ID-->0x1712 | <!--Revision-->0x02 | <!--Playback-->{{No|tried line 1-2 3-4 5-6 7-8 }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | untested - AKM and codec |- | <!--Description-->Terratec EWSA88MT | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | [http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-multimedia/2007-March/006087.html Audiotrak Prodigy HD2] 24/96 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Audiotrak (ESI) Maya 1010 1010L | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | EMU 1212M | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | EMU 1616M | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | <!--Description-->Terratec EWS 88MT EWS 88D | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Hoontech Soundtrack DSP 24 Soundtrack DSP 24 Value Soundtrack DSP 24 Media 7.1 Event Electronics EZ8 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Digigram VX442 Lionstracs Mediastation Terrasoniq TS 88 Roland/Edirol DA-2496 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} =====envy24ht.audio - VIA VT1724===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Description ! width="10%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Playback ! width="10%" |Recording ! width="35%" |Comments |- | ESI Juli@ | 0x3031 | 0x4553 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Yes}} | reported working years ago [http://envy24.svobodno.com/ Envy24HT-S] - AKM 4358 DAC - AKM 4114/4112 DIT |- | ESI Juli@ Ego Igo rev K | 0x3031 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | AK4358? DAC - AK4114 AK4112 DIT |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/multimedia/m-audio-revolution51.html M-Audio Revolution 5.1] | 0x1412 | 0x3631 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | reported working years ago but discontinued - (Envy24GT) - 3ch AKM 4358 DAC - ADC AKM 5365 - |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/m-audio-revolution71/index.html M-Audio Revolution 7.1] 24/192 | 0x1412 | 0x3630 0x1724 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | not working - illegal semaphore - 6ch ADC AKM AK4355 24-bit 192 kHz - 2ch DAC AKM AK4381 24-bit 192 kHz - ADC AKM AK5380 |- | Terratec Aureon Sky 5.1 | 0x153b | 0x1147 | 0x | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | untested - discontinued |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/terratec-aureon71/index.html Terratec Aureon Space 7.1] | 0x153b | 0x1145 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | untested - Wolfson WM8770 DAC, AC'97 codec SigmaTel STAC9744 |- | Terratec Aureon Universe 7.1 | 0x153b | 0x1153 (rev x) 0x1724 (rev3) | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | not working - semaphore error on rev 3 - DAC ADC |- | Terratec Phase 22 | 0x153b | 0x1150 | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | untested - Envy24HT-S - AK4524 |- | Terratec Phase 28 | 0x153b | 0x1149 | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | untested - Envy24HT-S - AK4524 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Playback | Recording | Revision | Comments |- | Audiotrak (ESI) Prodigy 7.1 | 0x4933 | 0x4553 | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | no driver - Wolfson WM8770 and AC'97 SigmaTel STAC9744 codec |- | Audiotrak (ESI) Prodigy 7.1 LT | 0x3132 | 0x4154 | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | no driver - |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/sound/audiotrak-prodigy192.html Audiotrak (ESI) Prodigy 192] 24/96 | | | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | no driver - STAC9460S codec |- | <!--Description-->Echo Layla 24/96 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | [http://www.bit-tech.net/custompc/labs/80752/hercules-gamesurround-fortissimo-4.html Hercules Gamesurround Fortissimo 4] | | | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | no driver - Wolfson WM8776 Codec and WM8766 DAC |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/multimedia/m-audio-audiophile192.html M-Audio Audiophile Delta AP 192k] | 0x1412 | 0x3632 | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | no driver - Stereo ADC AKM AK5385A 24-bit 192 kHZ - 8-channel DAC AKM AK4358 24-bit 192 kHz - AKM 4114/4112 DIT |- | ONKYO SE-150PCI | 0x160b | 0x0001 | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | no driver |- | <!--Description-->ESI Waveterminal 192x | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Quartet | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments--> - AKM 4114/4112 DIT |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====hdmiaudio.audio - hdmi no support==== {| class="wikitable" ! Description ! Vendor ID ! Product ID ! Revision ! Comments |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->ATI R6xx HDMI Audio codec support output | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1002 | <!--Product ID-->0x9840 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->Not detected |- | <!--Description-->NVidia HDMI | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Intel Series 6 CougarPoint HDMI codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Intel HDMI | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |} [[#top|...to the top]] ===Graphic GFX Chipsets=== [https://gallium.readthedocs.io/en/latest/systems.html PCIe based] graphic chipset is defacto on 64bit AROS and recommended on 32bit. AGP works on 32bit but faster transfers through the AGP slot are only available on a few supported motherboard chipsets * Faster AGP Working = SIS 650 board, Intel 865pe AGP slot on MSI 6788-050, * Not Supported = NForce2 chipsets, most Intel 815/820 chipsets, VIA chipsets, ALi chipsets, The fallback for all graphics modes is vesa if any native support does not work. There is a choice of very low resolution vga as the last resort 2D tests performed with [http://download.aros3d.org/software/gfxbench.zip gfxbench] in the shell type gfxbench > out.txt (40 seconds blank screen is part of the test), via FreeDoom via limit-removing engine like odamex, chocolate or vanilla doom -timedemo demo1 or doom2 -timedemo demo1, doom.exe -iwad doom2 -file mymap.wad, Duke DNRATE 640x480 windowed 3D tests performed with Demos/Mesa/ , Cube 1080p, Cube 2 windowed not fullscreen 1920 x 1025, Quake3 ~ cl_drawFPS 1, Xonotic , [http://shinh.skr.jp/sdlbench/showtestgl.cgi test gl], HDMI, DVI and DisplayPort monitors have a native resolution of 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p and up <pre> HDMI (licensing fee) 1.2 720p res. 1.3 1080 resolution 1.4 4K @ 30Hz 2.0 4K @ 60Hz 2.1 48Gbs for 4K @ 120Hz, 8K @ , VRR, etc 2.2 ultra96 </pre> <pre> DisplayPort (VESA introduced) 1.4 4K @ 60Hz 2.1 96Gbs for 4K @ 240Hz, 8K @ 120Hz. MST daisy chain multiple monitors, </pre> <pre> GPMI chinese standard 2.0 </pre> *OpenGL4 must have 64-bit floating point FP64 math support. The last revision opengl 4.6 (2017) on [https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/AMDGPU AMDGPU] RX 5000's / 6000s ([https://forum.batocera.org/d/7491-enable-opengl-46-and-vulkan-for-an-old-radeon-video-card RDNA] and Nvidia RTX might come to AROS) but Intel UHD, Iris Plus or Xe or Arc will not unless a developer wants the challenge - [https://docs.mesa3d.org/relnotes/20.0.0.html#mesa-20-0-0-release-notes-2020-02-19 Mesa 20.0.0] implements the OpenGL 4.6 API, but the version reported by glGetString(GL_VERSION) or glGetIntegerv(GL_MAJOR_VERSION) / glGetIntegerv(GL_MINOR_VERSION) depends on the particular driver being used and may report a lower version depending on each driver. Mesa 20.0.0 implements the Vulkan 1.2 API, but the version reported by the apiVersion property of the VkPhysicalDeviceProperties struct depends on the particular driver being used. *OpenGL3 last revision 3.3 (2011) *OpenGL2 nvidia-nouveau on Aros 32bit, *OpenGL1 intel gma950 on Aros 32bit and 64bit, ====vga.hidd==== {| class="wikitable" ! Description ! Vendor ID ! Product ID ! Revision ! Comments |- | | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | Generic VGA Driver, limited to 640x480 in 16 colours - no 3D support |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====vesa.hidd==== {| class="wikitable" ! Description ! Vendor ID ! Product ID ! Revision ! Comments |- | | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | 2D support for VBE1, VBE2 and VBE3 (most cards) - various resolutions and 24bit colour - no 3D support |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} [[#top|...to the top]] ====[[w:en:Intel GMA|Intel GMA]]==== DVI output is not supported at the moment. If having problems: * Ensure the latest version is being used. * Set GMA_MEM to 128 or 256 to test * Try the FORCEGMA ToolType for 2D, and try the FORCEGALLIUM ToolType for 3D acceleration after 2D is verified to work. ToolTypes should be applied to the Devs/Monitors/IntelGMA monitor icon. If still having problems: * At GRUB boot screen edit boot line and add option: debug=memory * Boot. * Use shell command: tools/debug/bifteck > RAM:debug.txt * And post [GMA MONITOR DETECTION] and other related debug lines {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="5%" |Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="5%" |Product ID ! width="3%" |Rev ! width="5%" |2D ! width="5%" |3D ! width="5%" |Analog Output ! width="5%" |Digital Output ! width="5%" |Laptop LCD ! width="30%" |Comments |- | 910GL 82910GL GMCH + ICH6 | 0x8086 | 0x2582 0x2592 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Unk}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | 910GML 82910 GML GMCH + ICH6 Mobile | 0x8086 | 0x2582 0x2592 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Unk}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | may need to add forceGMA to grub boot line to work |- | 915G 82915G GMCH + ICH6-M | 0x8086 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Unk}} | <!--3D-->{{Unk}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | |- | 915GL 82915GL GMCH | 0x8086 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Unk}} | <!--3D-->{{Unk}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | |- | 915GV 82915GV GMCH | 0x8086 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | HP DC5100 small form factor |- | 915GM GMA900 | 0x8086 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> {{Yes| }} | <!--3D--> {{Unk| tunnel gearbox }} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Yes}} | asus eee pc 900 |- | 915GMS | 0x8086 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> {{Yes| }} | <!--3D--> {{Unk| tunnel }} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Yes| }} | |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | [http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Graphics-Media-Accelerator-950.2177.0.html 945GU] - 133 MHz (Lake port for Intel A100 and A110) | 0x8086 | 0x2772 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> {{Yes| }} | <!--3D--> {{Unk| }} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | Fujitsu LifeBook U1010, |- | 945GMS - 166 MHz / 250 MHz (1.05V) | 0x8086 | 0x27a2 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> {{Yes| }} | <!--3D--> {{Unk| }} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Yes}} | Dell D430 |- | 945GSE - 166 MHz (for Atom) | 0x8086 | 0x27ae | 0x0 | <!--2D--> {{Yes| }} | <!--3D--> {{Yes|[http://www.x.org/wiki/GalliumStatus]}} | {{Yes}} | {{No|dvi port}} | {{Yes| }} | for atom motherboards and most 2008/2009 netbooks * 3D Works - AOA110 AOA150, Dell Mini 9, Samsung NC10, Toshiba NB100, |- | 945G 82945G GMCH + ICH7 | 0x8086 | 0x27a6 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Unk}} | <!--3D-->{{Unk}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | untested 2D and 3D |- | 945GC 82945GC MCH | 0x8086 | 0x27a6 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Unk}} | <!--3D-->{{Unk}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | untested 2D and 3D |- | 945PM | 0x8086 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | Dell D420, Compaq nc6400, |- | 945GMS - 250 MHz Calistoga | 0x8086 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> {{Yes}} | <!--3D--> {{Yes|most models}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Yes}} | * 3D Works Dell Latitude 2100, HP Compaq nc6320, Lenovo 3000, Lenovo T60, Samsung Q35, Dell D620, Dell D820, * 3D untested Toshiba Satellite L100-120, Toshiba Portege M400, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Unk}} | <!--3D-->{{Unk}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | GMA 3100 G31 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | works 2D but no 3D |- | GMA 3100 G33 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | works 2D but no 3D |- | [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_GMA GMA 3150] netbooks and nettops | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | works 2D but no 3D. no vga, dvi or hdmi output for nettops |- | <!--Description--> G965 | <!--Vendor ID--> 0x8086 | <!--Product ID--> 0x | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> Q965 | <!--Vendor ID--> 0x8086 | <!--Product ID--> 0x2992 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{No}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> Only tested with VGA output. |- | 965GM X3100 (500 MHz) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | some support 2D but no hardware 3D - could not get it to work with VGA or dvi output * untested Apple MacBook Air, Lenovo Thinkpad X300, Dell Inspiron 1525, Toshiba M9, |- | 960GM X3100 (400 MHz) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | |- | 965M X3100 (400 MHz) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | Dell D830, |- | 965PM ?? | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | Toshiba A9 works with limited 2D acceleration but no hardware 3D |- | GL965 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | works with limited 2D acceleration but no hardware 3D |- | GM965 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | works with limited 2D acceleration but no hardware 3D |- | GMA X3500 G35 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | works with limited 2D acceleration but no hardware 3D |- | <!--Description-->X4500M G41 G43 G45 (400Mhz) Mobile 4 Series | <!--Vendor ID--> 0x8086 | <!--Product ID--> 0x2a42 0x2a43 | <!--Revision-->0x07 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue--> {{No|}} | <!--Digital--> {{No|}} | <!--Laptop LCD--> {{Yes| VESA}} | <!--Comments-->works with limited 2D acceleration but no hardware 3D |- | <!--Description-->GMA 4500M HD (533 MHz) | <!--Vendor ID--> 0x8086 | <!--Product ID--> 0x | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->works with limited 2D acceleration but no hardware 3D |- | <!--Description-->GMA 4700M HD (640MHZ) | <!--Vendor ID--> 0x8086 | <!--Product ID--> 0x2a42 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->works with limited 2D acceleration but no hardware 3D |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====[http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix nouveau].hidd (nvidia pci, agp, pci-e desktop)==== PCIe based nvidia graphics (gfx 8xxx) are the base level for 64bit AROS but earlier models still has some support on 32bit AROS *Desktop, more likely hit rather than miss on early nvidia on Aros 32bit but on Aros 64bit ... *Laptop, limited support for '''very''' early non-optimus (i.e. just Nvidia gfx only so no Intel and nvidia gfx combinations on 32bit but on 64bit ...) Please note that the nouveau project is reverse engineering a nvidia graphics driver but takes time because of [https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ nVidia's closed firmwares], etc * 202 * 2026-07 - DEVS Nouveau.hidd Gallium.hidd Softpipe - LIBS Gallium GLU 20.0 Mesa OpenCL * 2011-10 - DEVS 6.11 Nouveau.hidd 7.4 Gallium.hidd 9.4 Softpipe - LIBS 2.3 Gallium 1.3 GLU 19.0 Mesa OpenCL 1.x * 2011-04 - DEVS 5.31 Nouveau.hidd 7.3 Gallium.hidd 9.3 Softpipe - LIBS 2.2 Gallium 1.1 GLU 18.0 Mesa OpenCL n/a Nouveau support for AROS is limited to OpenGL 2.1 compliance on 32bit even for modern GL4 capable GPUs but on 64bit ... On Aros 32bit OpenCL supports the NV50 (8000 9000) cards, less support in NVC0 fermi cards (300 upwards) On Aros 64bit ADoom3 graphic details ultra, benchmark while playing press the "`" key and type "Timedemo demo1" in the console {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="5%" | Graphic Card ! width="5%" | Aros 32bit 1024 x 768 ! width="5%" | Aros 32bit 800 x 600 ! width="5%" | Aros 32bit 640 x 480 ! width="5%" | Aros 64bit 1024 x 768 ! width="5%" | Aros 64bit 800 x 600 ! width="5%" | Aros 64bit 640 x 480 |- | NV50 Asus EN8400GS SILENT/P/512M PCIe (G98) || || || || || || |- | Gigabyte 8500GT 256M || 42,6 || 57,2 || 68,6 || || || |- | NV96 (G96) Geforce 9500GT 512M || 43 || 53 || 57 || || || |- | NV96 (G96) 9600GT || || || || || || |- | NVA3 (GT215) GT240 || || || || || || |- | NVA5 (GT216) Palit GT220 Sonic 512M || 39,7 || 55,8 || 63,7 || || || |- | NVA8 (GT218) gt210 || || || || || || |- | NVA8 (GT218) ION2 || 38,4 || 53,9 || 61,7 || Not Detected || Not Detected || Not Detected |- | NVC3 (GF106) GT440 GTS 450 || || || || || || |- | NVCF (GF116) NVC0 Fermi GTX 550Ti or GTS 450 v2 || || || || || || |- | NVC8 (GF110) 580GTX || N/A || N/A || N/A || || || |- | NVE0 Kepler GT630 || N/A || N/A || N/A || || || |- | NVE6 (GK106) Kepler GTX660 || N/A || N/A || N/A || || || |- | NVE7 (GK107) GTX 650 || N/A || N/A || N/A || || || |- | NV110 Maxwell GTX 750 || N/A || N/A || N/A || || || |- | NV126 (GM206) GTX950 || N/A || N/A || N/A || unk || unk || unk |- | NV160 family (Turing) GTX 1650 and RTX 2000 upwards with GSP firmware || N/A || N/A || N/A || unknown || unknown || unknown |- | HostGL Ryzen 5 4600H - Nvidia 1650 - Linux mint 21.1 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 150fps || 154fps || 155fps |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | width="5%" | Graphic Card | width="5%" | Aros 32bit 1024 x 768 | width="5%" | Aros 32bit 800 x 600 | width="5%" | Aros 32bit 640 x 480 | width="5%" | Aros 64bit 1024 x 768 | width="5%" | Aros 64bit 800 x 600 | width="5%" | Aros 64bit 640 x 480 |} {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="5%" | Description ! width="5%" | Vendor ID ! width="5%" | Product ID ! width="2%" | Rev ! width="5%" | 2D ! width="5%" | 3D ! width="5%" | Analog Output ! width="5%" | Digital Output ! width=40%" | Comments |- | <!--Description-->tnt1 (nv04) tnt2 (nv05) m64 value (1998) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--3D-->{{No|very slow}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | NV04 Riva TNT TNT2 Fahrenheit freezes on via motherboard chipset so rename agp.hidd in SYS:Devs/Drivers or Monitors |- | <!--Description-->tnt vanta lt (nv06) 1998 /9 | 0x10de | 0x002c | 0x15 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--3D-->{{No|slow}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | <!--Description-->Geforce 256 (nv10) (2000) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--3D-->{{No|slow }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | Geforce256 |- | <!--Description-->Geforce 2 Geforce 3 Geforce 4 (nv20) 2000 / 2 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--3D-->{{No|slow }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | works for some PCI and AGP Geforce2 Geforce3 Geforce4 |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | Geforce FX5200 nv34 (2003) | 0x10DE | 0x0322 0x | 0xA1 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Maybe|VGA15 }} | <!--Digital-->{{Maybe|DVI}} | NV30 GeForce 5 FX Rankine Hardware OpenGL 1.5 - slower than GF MX 4000 for 2D - max 1024 x768 * not working [https://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=92328&page=8 mobos with VIA chipsets 2018] * working (MSI 0x9174) the previous nouveau 5.x driver * Others work with 6.x series XFX PV-T34K-NA, ASUS V9520-X/TD |- | Geforce FX5500 (nv34) (2003) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | works |- | Geforce 5100 (NV34) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | Geforce FX 5200LE (NV34) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5200 Ultra | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | Geforce FX5600 (nv31) (2004) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | works |- | GeForce FX 5600 Ultra | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5600SE | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5600XT | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | Geforce FX5700 (nv36) (2004) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|some}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | |- | GeForce FX 5700VE | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5700 Ultra | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5700LE | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5800 (NV30) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5800 Ultra (NV30) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5900 (NV35) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5900 Ultra | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5900XT | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5900ZT | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5950 Ultra | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | Geforce 5xxx | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | Geforce 6200 (nv44) (2005) | 0x | 0x00F3 0x014F | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|5.28 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| use 5.28}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes|VGA15 and s-video - plain 4pin cable lead will work with 7pin}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | NV40 GeForce 6 GeForce 7 Curie AGP Hardware OpenGL 2.1 needing previous 5.x version as regression arose 2011-10 |- | Geforce 6200 (nv44a) (2006) | 0x | 0x0221 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|5.28 Pixel Text }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes|VGA15}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | Hardware OpenGL 2.1, PCI version tested OK in 2014-01-02 - Icaros 1.5.2 * not working *working |- | GeForce 6200 with Turbo Cache (NV43) | 0x | 0x0161 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | |- | GeForce 6200SE with Turbo Cache (NV44) | 0x | 0x0162 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | Geforce 6200 LE | 0x10de | 0x0163 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | PCI-E |- | GeForce 6600 LE | 0x | 0x00F4 0x0142 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6600 | 0x | 0x00F2 0x0141 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | 2006 PureVideo HD 1 or VP1 re-used the MPEG-1/MPEG-2 decoding pipeline from FX |- | Geforce 6600gt (nv4x) (2005) | 0x | 0x00F1 0x0140 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | OpenGL tests - |- | Geforce 6800 (nv40) (2005) | 0x | 0x0041 0x00C1 0x00F0 0x0211 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6800 XE (NV4x) | 0x | 0x0043 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6800 LE | 0x | 0x0042 0x00C2 0x0212 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6800 GT (quadro fx 1400) | 0x | 0x0045 0x0046 0x0215 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce 6800 GS | 0x | 0x0047 0x00C0 0x00F6 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6800 GTS NV40 | 0x | 0x0040 0x0F9 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce 6800XT | 0x | 0x0044 0x0048 0x00C3 0x0218 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6600 VE | 0x | 0x0143 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6500 NV44 | 0x | 0x0160 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6250 | 0x | 0x0169 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce 6xxx | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | GeForce 7800 GTX | 0x | 0x0090 0x0091 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| tunnel gearbox cube cube2 25}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> 256MB DDR3 - 1 6pin psu connector - * not working asus en7800gtx/2dhtv/256m/osp/a - * Works XFX PV-T70F-UDD7 Works in steve jones' scrap pc aros build 2010 2 DVI-I ports * Untested |- | GeForce 7800 GT | 0x | 0x0092 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce 7600gt (G8 ) (nv4 ) (2006) | 0x | 0x02E0 0x0391 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> OpenGL 2.1 * not working * working |- | GeForce 7800 SLI | 0x | 0x0095 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7900 GTX | 0x | 0x0290 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7900 GT GTO | 0x | 0x0291 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7900 GS | 0x10de | 0x0292 | 0x0a1 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> * not working * Works with a few glitches with XFX Pine 0x2218 |- | GeForce 7950 GX2 | 0x10de | 0x0293 0x0294 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7950 GT | 0x | 0x0295 0x02E4 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7900 GS | 0x | 0x02E3 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7600 GS | 0x | 0x02E1 0x0392 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7650 GS | 0x10de | 0x0390 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7600 LE | 0x10de | 0x0394 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce 7800GS (G8 ) (nv4 ) (2006) | 0x10de | 0x0093 0x00F5 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> * not working * works if AGP motherboard chipset is supported - Hardware OpenGL 2.1 |- | GeForce 7100 GS | 0x10de | 0x016A | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Pixel Text}} | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7350 LE | 0x10de | 0x01D0 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce 7300le (G8 ) (nv4 ) (2006) | 0x10de | 0x01D1 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7300SE 7200GSGF-7200GS-N-B1 variant (G72) | 0x10de | 0x01D3 | 0x0a1 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk|1x DVI, 1x VGA, 1x S-Video}} | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->2007 40W pci-e 1.0 VP1 no unified shaders - * not working Asus on via chipset (2015), * works Asus on intel chipset (2015), |- | Geforce 7300gt (G8 ) (nv4 ) (2006) | 0x10de | 0x0395 0x0393 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> * not working * works |- | GeForce 7300 GS | 0x10de | 0x01DF | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7500 LE | 0x10de | 0x01DD | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce 7xxx | 0x10de | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | GeForce 8800 Ultra (NV50 family) | 0x10de | 0x0194 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->NV50 GeForce 8 to GeForce 200s opengl 3.x - max res - 80nm technology - PureVideo HD 2 or VP2 Nvidia VDPAU Feature Set A (absent from ultra and some 8800gt?) added a dedicated bitstream processor (BSP) and enhanced video processor for H.264, VC-1 acceleration |- | Geforce 8800gts (nv50) (G8x) (2007) | 0x10de | 0x0400 0x0600 0x0193 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2007 200w openGL3 openCL - 2x6pin psu * not working 0x0193 models (2015) on via chipsets, * works |- | Geforce 8800gtx (nv5 ) (G8x) (2007) | 0x10de | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{no| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2008 200W 1x 6pin connector, * not working * working * untested XFX PV-T88P-YDF4, Alpha Dog Edition runs extremely hot - Gigabyte GV-NX88T512H, |- | GeForce 8800 GT | 0x10de | 0x0602 0x0611 0x0193 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->DVI up to 2500 x 1600 | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - 6pin psu power connector required * not working * untested Asus EN8800GT/HTDP/256M EN8800GT/HTDP/512M EN8800GT/G/HTDP/512M * works |- | GeForce 8800 GT (G92) | 0x10de | 0x0611 | 0x0a2 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue-->{{N/A}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes}} | <!--Comments--> opengl 3 pci-e 2.0 8800GT 512MB on Icaros 2.0.3 [[File:8800GT aros heads.png|thumb|8800GT]] [[File:8800GT aros tails.png|thumb|8800GT detail]] |- | Geforce 8600gt (nv5 ) (G8x) (2007) | 0x10de | 0x0401 0x0402 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - max res * not working * works |- | GeForce 8500 GT G86 based chipset | 0x10de | 0x0421 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|32bit and 64bit}} | <!--3D-->{{yes|32bit and 64bit}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> OpenGL tests - max opengl 3.x but 2.1 offered on Aros 32bit and * works Gigabyte 8500 GT, * not working |- | GeForce 8800 GS | 0x10de | 0x0606 0x060D | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - max res |- | GeForce 8600GS | 0x10de | 0x0403 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> openGL 3.x VP3 offers complete hardware-decoding for all 3 video codecs of the Blu-ray Disc format: MPEG-2, VC-1, and H.264 - Nvidia VDPAU Feature Set B |- | GeForce 8300 GS | 0x10de | 0x0423 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - max res |- | Geforce 8400gs G98GS (end 2007) GT218 (2009) * Rev2 with 8/16 cores and 128-512MB of DDR2 or GDDR3 memory. * Rev3 with 8 cores and 512MB-1GB of DDR3 memory (based on Tesla 2.0) | 0x10de | 0x0424 0x0422 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| tunnel 490 gearbox 505 Cube 135 Cube2 55 quake3 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes|works digital part of DVI but nothing from any display port}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|output on digital 24 pin array of DDWG's DVI and hdmi}} | <!--Comments-->2009 50W openGL 3.1 openCL - case single slot - one single-link DVI digital output, supporting up to one 1920x1080 resolution display - analog resolution 640 x 480 to 1024 x 768 16 and 24 bit color - [http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nouveau_comp_2011&num=19 runs a little hotter than expected] - G98 VP3 pci-e 2.0 512MB DDR2 - * not working * works Asus EN8400GS SILENT/P/512M PCIe (G98), |- | Geforce 8400gs (nv50) (G86) (mid-2007) * Rev1 with 16 cores / 256MB of DDR2 memory. | 0x10de | 0x0404 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| tunnel 490 gearbox 505 Cube 135 Cube2 55 quake3 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes|works but not tested thru 4 pins of analog signal of DVI plug}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|output on digital 24 pin array of DDWG's DVI and hdmi}} | <!--Comments-->2008 50W openGL 3.1 openCL - case single slot - one single-link DVI digital output up to 1920x1080 resolution display - analog resolution 640 x 480 to 1024 x 768 16 and 24 bit color - [http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nouveau_comp_2011&num=19 runs a little hotter than expected] - G86 VP2 128MB - * not working XFX PV-T86S-YAJG NVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS 512MB DDR2, Sparkle 8400GS 512MB SX84GS512D2L-DPP, * works Asus EN8400GS SILENT/HTP/256M SILENT/HTP/512M/A, |- | GeForce 8400 SE | 0x10de | 0x0420 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> openGL 2.x openCL |- | NVidia Quadro NVS290 DMS-59 | 0x10de | 0x0403 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{no| }} | <!--3D-->{{no| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk|DMS-59 socket}} | <!--Digital-->{{unk|DMS-59 }} | <!--Comments-->2008 21W - G86S (G86-827-A2) - 16 shading units, 8 texture mapping units, and 4 ROPs. NVIDIA has paired 256 MB DDR2 - PCIe 1.0 x16 Low Profile - |- | Geforce Quadro FX 4600 (SDI), 5600 | 0x10de | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Partial|VESA 2d}} | <!--3D-->{{no| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{partial| }} | <!--Digital-->{{partial| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | GeForce 9800 GX2 (NV50 family) | 0x10de | 0x0604 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Partial|VESA }} | <!--3D-->{{no| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Partial| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2009 150w - 65nm technology |- | GeForce 9800 GTX | 0x10de | 0x0612 | 0x0a2 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->2009 2x6pin psu - * not working xfx on via chipset (2015), * works xfx on chipset intel , |- | GeForce 9800 GTX+ | 0x10de | 0x0613 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - max res 2560 x 1920 - case dual slot - 26amp 12v rail on computer psu if 2x6pin connectors needed - 55nm version of the G92 chip - will not work with PCI-e 1.0a slots - * not working * works on a few models |- | Geforce 9800gt (nv50) (G92a) (2008) | 0x10de | 0x0614 | 0x0xa2 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| tunnel 495 gearbox 513 Cube 156 Cube2 120 Quake3 }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{partial| DVI}} | <!--Comments--> OpenGL 3.1 openCL 1.x - case dual slot - 600w 26amp on both 12v rails for 2x6pin psu on gfx card - no fan control - some come with 1x6pin - renamed version of the venerable GeForce 8800 GT - randomly works * not working Gainward 512M untested * working Gainward CardExpert (0x0401) Green Edition NE39800TFHD02-PM8D92 1024MB (no 6pin) |- | Geforce gf9600 9600gt (nv5 ) (G9x) (2008) | 0x10de | 0x0622 | 0x0a1 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| tunnel 493 gearbox 675 Cube Cube2 100 Quake3 }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Yes| DVI}} | <!--Comments--> OpenGL 3.2 openCL but no fan control - case dual slot - 1 6pin pcie psu connector - 500 Watt or greater power supply with a minimum of 26 Amp on the +12 volt rail - Max Analog: 2048x1536 and Max Digital: 2560x1600 (Dual Link DVI Only) - PCI Express® 2.0 / 1.1 Support - g96 gpu randomly works - * not working bfg tech ocx, * works gigabyte gv-n96tsl-512i - |- | Geforce gf9500 9500gt (nv5 ) (G9x) (2008) | 0x10de | 0x0640 | 0x0a1 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| tunnel 480 gearbox 500 Cube Cube2 64 Quake3 }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Yes| DVI}} | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.2 - case single slot - 350 Watt/400 Watt or greater power supply with a minimum of 18 Amp/22 Amp on the +12 volt rail - Max Analog: 2048x1536 and Max Digital: 2560x1600 (Dual Link DVI Only) - PCI Express® 2.0 / 1.1 Support - * not working zotac zone fanless, Gainward USA NE29500THHD01-PM8796, PNY G9500GN2E50X+0TE, * works xfx xne-9500t-td01-pm8596 1024mb ddr2, |- | GeForce 9600 GS | 0x | 0x0623 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - max res - will not work with PCI-e 1.0a slots - * not working * works |- | GeForce 9600 GSO | 0x | 0x0610 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - max res - G92 chopped down - 9600GSO is re-badged 8800GS both very power hungry cards - |- | GeForce 9300 GS | 0x | 0x06E1 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->2009 opengl 3.x - max res |- | Geforce 9400 GT (nv5 ) (G86S) (2008) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{partial|}} | <!--3D-->{{unk|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk|1x DVI, 1x VGA, 1x S-Video}} | <!--Digital-->{{unk|1x DVI}} | <!--Comments-->2009 50W opengl 3.x - max res |- | Geforce 9xxx (nv5 ) (G9x) (2008) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{unk|}} | <!--3D-->{{unk|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk|}} | <!--Digital-->{{unk|}} | <!--Comments-->2009 opengl 3.x - max res |- | <!--Description-->Quadro FX 580 G96 chipset | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2009 |- | <!--Description--> NV84 (G84) GeForce 8600 (GT, GTS, M GT, M GS), 8700M GT, NV92 (G92) GeForce 8800 (GT, GS, GTS 512, M GTS, M GTX) GeForce 9600 GSO, 9800 (GT, GTX, GTX+, GX2, M GT, M GTX) NV96 (G96) GeForce 9400 GT, 9500 (GT, M G), 9600 (M GS, M GT), NV86 (G86) GeForce 8300 GS, 8400 (GS, M G, M GS, M GT), 8500 GT | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->NVA0 (GT200) Tesla GeForce GTX (260, 275, 280, 285, 295) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GTX 280 (NV50 family) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID-->0x05E1 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{no| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - max res PureVideo HD 4 (Nvidia Feature Set C or "VDPAU Feature Set C), VP4 added hardware to offload MPEG-4 Advanced Simple Profile (original DivX and Xvid) |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GTX 260 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x05E2 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{partial|Vesa}} | <!--3D-->{{no| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> 2 6pin - psu pci express 2.1 - |- | Geforce GTS250 250GTS (g92b) (2009) | 0x10de | 0x0615 | 0x0a2 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| tunnel 486 gearbox 508-642 Cube Cube2 80 Quake3 }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Yes| DVI}} | <!--Comments--> 2x6pin psu VP2 - pci-e 2.x - case dual slots - 738m 1gb ddr3 - * not working Zotac branded version GDDR3 - * works PNY gs-250x-zdfl and Gigabyte ??, BFG Tech RGTS2501024OCE, palit ne3ts250fhd52-pm8a92 with 2x6pin on top and hdmi output port, |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GT 240 (GT215 family) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x0ca3 | <!--Revision-->0xa2 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|use VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 tunnel gearbox}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->late 2009 openGl 3.2 - case dual slots - no 6pin psu required with VP4 - All are pcie 2.1 cards and may not work in 1.0a slots - * not working * DDR3 with 512MB or 1GB - * DDR5 -Asus ENGT240 - XFX Pine GT240XYHFC 0x3001 - Gigabyte GV-N240D5-512I rev 1.0 - Zotac AMP! with HDMI 1.3a with DisplayPort 1.1, Dual Link DVI - * works |- | <!--Description-->GT220 (GT216) G220 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x0a20 | <!--Revision-->0xa2 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI }} | <!--Comments--> Icaros 2.0.3 GeForce GT220 1GB[[File:GT220 aros heads.png|thumb|GT220]][[File:GT220 aros tails.png|thumb|GT220]] * untested NVIDIA Quadro® 400 512MB DDR3 GT216 DP DVI, AFox AF220 1Gb DDR3, |- | Geforce GT220 220GT G94 Tesla (g92b) | 0x10de | 0x0a20 | 0xa2 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| tunnel 490 gearbox 505 cube 150 cube2 50 Quake3 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk|1x DVI, 1x VGA}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI but not 1x HDMI }} | 58W pci express 2.0 cards DDR3 - case single slot - * not working ASUS ENGT220/DI/1GD2(LP)/V2 - * works - gainward card expert 0x0401 GDDr3 512MB - |- | <!--Description-->GT210 GT 210 210GT G210 based on Tesla 2.0 GT218S GT218-300-A2 variant, GT218-300-B1 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x0a65 | <!--Revision-->0xa2 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk|1x DVI, 1x VGA}} | <!--Digital-->{{Maybe|DVI out works but not hdmi or 1x DisplayPort}} | <!--Comments-->2009 31W OpenGL 3.3 pci-e 2.0 cards - single slot - * working GT218 based Asus EN210 based silent low profile large passively cooled - * untested MSI GeForce 210 1GB DDR3 PCIe N210-MD1GD3H/LP, * not working |- | <!--Description-->Nvidia ION2 9400M class (GT218) Tesla | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2012 |- | <!--Description-->Quadro NVS 295 (256 MB GDDR3), NVS 450 (256M/512 MB DDR3) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{partial|2 or 4 dp ports}} | <!--Comments-->2009 25w low performance - G98s with 8 shading units, 4 texture mapping units, and 4 ROPs on PCI-Express 1.0 x16 - *not working some NVIDIA Quadro NVS 295 2 dp ports (DELL, HP), *working |- | <!--Description-->GT310 Tesla 310, 315, GT 320, GT 330 GT 340 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe|6.11 tunnel gearbox}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->2010 50w OpenGL 3.3 openCL all similar in performance to GT2xx except gt31x (poor) |- | <!--Description-->Quadro NVS310 NVIDIA NVS 310 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> 2 dp | <!--Comments-->2012 25w GF119S (GF119-825-A1) 48 shading units, 8 texture mapping units, and 4 ROPs on PCI-Express 2.0 x16 - 512 MB DDR3 - PureVideo VP5 VDPAU Feature Set D - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description--> GTX 470, GTX 480 GF10 GF10* core (NVC0 family) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| tunnel gearbox}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->2010 215w 2x6 plugs - NVC0 family (Fermi) GF100 (GF100-275-A3) Fermi 448 shading units, 56 texture mapping units, and 40 ROPs with 1,280 MB GDDR5 - up to OpenGL4.5 OpenCL1.1 Tessellation - case dual slots - |- | Geforce GTX460 460GTX (G104) 256bit, 1GB v2 192bit and GTX 465 | 0x10de | 0x0e22 | 0xa1 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| tunnel gearbox cube 055-111 cube2 50}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->NVC0 family (Fermi) up to OpenGL 4.x but - 2x6pin psu - case dual slots - * not working evga 768MB GDDR5 192bit 01G-P3-1373-ER or 01G-P3-1372-TR * works 1GB GDDR5 256bit 01G-P3-1371-ER |- | <!--Description-->Geforce GTX 460SE 192bit | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x0e23 | <!--Revision-->0x91 or 0xa1 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Comments-->2010 - 2 6pin psu needed - case dual slots - * not working * works EVGA 01g-p3-1366-b6 et 1024MB p1041 - |- | Geforce GT450 GTS450 450GTS GF106 | 0x10de | 0x0dc4 | 0x0a1 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| tunnel gearbox cube cube2 50 Quake3 }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI }} | 2010 Hardware up to OpenGL 4.2 but nouveau set at 3.3 - most need 1x 6pin psu - case dual slots - * not working * DDR3 1 or 2GB - Palit NEAS450NHD41F, * GDDR5 512Mb or 1GB - MSI MPN N450GTSM2D1GD5OC, Asus MPN ENGTS450DI1GD5, * works Gainward Card Expert NE5S4500FHd51, |- | <!--Description-->GT 440 GF108 chipset or better OEM GF106 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| tunnel gearbox}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->2010 up to openGl 4.1 opencl 1.x - no 6 pin psu - 96 cuda cores 128bit - case dual slots - * not working * OEM * GDDR5 512MB to 1GB ASUSTeK ENGT440/DI/1GD5 * GDDR3 Asus 1gb to 2gb, * works |- | <!--Description-->GT430 430GT (GF108) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe|6.11 tunnel gearbox}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->2010 ddr3 memory 64bit or 128bit - buggy on Aros 32 but * not working * works |- | <!--Description-->nVidia Quadro FX1800 768MB GDDR3 Full Height Graphics Card Workstation | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{no|6.11 tunnel gearbox}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Maybe|DVI-I 2xDP}} | <!--Comments-->59W 768 MB GDDR3 memory using a 192-bit memory interface - OpenGL 3.3 - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->GTX 590 Fermi | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->OpenGL4.4 OpenCL 1.1 - GDDR5 - 6pin and 8pin psu connectors - 512 cuda - case dual slots - * not working * works |- | <!--Description-->GTX 580, | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->PureVideo HD 5" or "VP5" (Nvidia Feature Set D or VDPAU Feature Set D) 4k UHD 3840 × 2160 H.264 decode - |- | <!--Description-->GTX 570, | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> * not working Zotac GTX 570, Gainward GTX560TI/570 Phantom, * works gigabyte, evga |- | <!--Description-->Geforce 5xx 560gtx Fermi GTX 560, | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->opengl 4.x - 2 6pin psu - 384 cuda cores - case dual slots - will not work with PCI-e 1.0a slots - * not working Asus ENGTX560 DC/2DI/1GD5, * Ti LE 448 cuda GDDR5 320bit * Ti 256bit * works |- | <!--Description-->GTX 560 Ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> * not working evga GTX 560Ti 01GP31560KR - Gainward GTX560TI/570 Phantom, * works |- | <!--Description-->GTX 550 Ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x1201 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->can hang on boot up on I2C Init or suffer random lockups on OpenGL apps - most need 1 6pin min 400W 24A on the +12V1 / +12V2 dual 12V rails of the computers' power supply unit - 192 cuda cores - case dual slots used - will not work with PCI-e 1.0a slots - * not working eVGA GeForce GTX 550 Ti (1024 MB) (01GP31556KR) - * untested asus Extreme, eVGA GeForce GTX 550 Ti (1024 MB) (01GP31557KR) - - * works |- | <!--Description-->GT 545 and OEM GF116 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->openGL 4.2 opencl 1.x - GDDR5 with OEM only - |- | <!--Description-->GT530 OEM | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->96 cuda cores - 1GB or 2GB DDR3 128bit |- | <!--Description-->GT520 520GT | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->untested 48 cuda cores - DDR3 64bit |- | <!--Description-->510, GT 530 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D 6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> ddr 3 - 50w max - |- | <!--Description-->GT610 Fermi GF119 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NVS 315 300 GF119S | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{No|VESA}} needs special dms-59 cable | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2013 fermi 315 PNY VCNVS315-T 1Gb DDR3 but needs special dms-59 cable - |- | <!--Description-->GT630 GF108 Fermi | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->not accelerated 2015 - like the GT730 below - 96 cuda cores whilst kepler version has 384 - 128bit to keplers' 64bit bandwidth - kepler has 2GB DDR3 * not working Gigabyte * DDR3 * GDDR5 * works |- | <!--Description-->Geforce GT 730 (two versions) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe| use VESA 6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> fermi version has 96 cuda cores 128bit GF108 * not working Asus * works |- | <!--Description-->nVIDIA Quadro 4000 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} 2 dp ports | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->142W 2Gb GDDR5 - PCI Express 2.0 x16 ; full Height card with 1x 6-Pin PCIe power need - CUDA Cores 256 - OpenGL 4.5 |- | <!--Description-->nVIDIA Quadro 5000 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2011 200W 2.5Gb GDDR5 320 bit - PCI Express 2.0 x16 full Height card with 2x 6-Pin PCIe power need - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GTX Titan GeForce GTX Titan Black GeForce GTX Titan Z | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->NVE0 family (Kepler) GeForce 600 GeForce 700 GeForce GTX Titan Kepler |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GTX 780 GeForce GTX 780 Ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->PureVideo HD 6" or "VP6" (Nvidia Feature Set E or VDPAU Feature Set E) significantly improved performance when decoding H.264 and MPEG-2 |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GTX 770 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->opengl 4.4 opencl 1.1 |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GTX 760 GeForce GTX 760 Ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GT 740 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GT 730 Kepler (two versions) f | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> kepler 384 cores 64bit GK208 |- | <!--Description-->680gtx GK104 core gtx680 680m | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->NVE0 family (Kepler) |- | <!--Description-->GTX 690 Kepler NVE0 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->pci-e 3.0, OpenGL 4.4 OpenCL 1.1 |- | <!--Description-->GTX 670 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->GTX 660 GTX 660 Ti GK104 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2012 up to OpenGL 4.5 |- | <!--Description-->GTX 650 GTX 650 Ti GTX 650 Ti Boost | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2012 NVE0 family (Kepler) most need 1 6pin psu * not working asus ENGTX560 DC/2DI/1GD5 * works |- | <!--Description-->Geforce GT 640 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2012 * 128bit DDR3 * 192bit DDR3 1.5 to 3GB 50W * 128bit GDDR5 75W |- | <!--Description-->GT 620 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2012 up to OpenGL 4.5 |- | <!--Description-->Quadro K2000 NVE7 (GK107) Kepler | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2013 - 50w single slot pcie 2.0 - like 740gs - |- | <!--Description-->NVIDIA® Quadro® K4200 GK104 Kepler | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2014 4Gb GDDR5 - 108W 1 6pin - |- | <!--Description-->NVIDIA® Quadro® K420 1GB DDR3 Kepler | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2014 41W - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->GeForce 750ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2015 [https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/FeatureMatrix.html NV110] Maxwell - |- | <!--Description-->Nvidia GTX 750 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x1381 | <!--Revision-->0xa2 | <!--2D-->{{yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{yes| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{yes|vga on 64bit test }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk|not dp }} | <!--Comments-->2014 and tested in 2026 with latest nouveau test |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Quadro K2200 (GM107) Maxwell | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2014 - 68w single slot pcie 2.0 - |- | <!--Description-->Quadro K620 Maxwell | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2014 50w slim low profile 2gb ddr3 - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NV12B (GM20B) Tegra X1 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{no| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2015 GM206 2nd gen maxwell PureVideo HD 7" or "VP7" (Nvidia Feature Set F or VDPAU Feature Set F) adds full hardware-decode of H.265 HEVC Version 1 (Main and Main 10 profiles and full fixed function VP9 (video codec) hardware decoding |- | <!--Description-->NV124 (GM204) GeForce GTX 980 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x13c0 | <!--Revision-->0x | <!--2D-->{{yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{yes| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NV124 (GM204) GeForce GTX 970 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x13c2 | <!--Revision-->0xa1 | <!--2D-->{{yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{yes| }} | <!--Digital-->{{no| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NV126 (GM206) GeForce GTX 960 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NV126 (GM206) GeForce GTX 950 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{yes| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{yes| }} | <!--Digital-->{{yes| }} | <!--Comments-->2016 |- | <!--Description-->NV120 (GM200) GeForce GTX Titan X | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->NV132 (GP102) NVIDIA Titan (X, Xp), GeForce GTX 1080 Ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 probably little support |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 probably little support |- | <!--Description-->NV134 (GP104) GeForce GTX 1080 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 probably little support |- | <!--Description-->NV134 (GP104) GeForce GTX 1070 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 probably little support - 2 6pin psu ports - |- | <!--Description-->NV136 (GP106) GeForce GTX 1060 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 probably little support up to OpenGL 4.6 |- | <!--Description-->quadro p620 2gb gddr5 128bit and quadro p1000 4gb gt1030 30w | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 50w slim low profile - |- | <!--Description-->GeForce gtx 1060 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->NV130 Pascal |- | <!--Description-->NV137 (GP107) GeForce GTX (1050, 1050 Ti) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 probably little support |- | <!--Description-->NV138 (GP108) GeForce GT 1030 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 probably little support |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->NV130 family (Pascal) |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->NV162 (TU102) NVIDIA Titan RTX, GeForce RTX 2080 Ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2018 needs gsp firmware and latest nouveau version |- | <!--Description-->NV164 (TU104) GeForce RTX (2070 Super, 2080, 2080 Super) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2019 NV160 family (Turing) unified gsp-rm firmware - best starting point for Vulkan support |- | <!--Description-->NV166 (TU106) GeForce RTX (2060, 2060 Super, 2070) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2019 |- | <!--Description-->NV168 (TU116) GeForce GTX (1650 Super, 1660, 1660 Ti, 1660 Super) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2018 |- | <!--Description-->NV167 (TU117) GeForce GTX 1650 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2019 |- | <!--Description-->gtx 1650ti super | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2018 old style |- | <!--Description-->Quadro RTX 4000 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2019 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->NV172 (GA102) GeForce RTX (3080, 3090) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2020 av1 decoding ampere |- | <!--Description-->NV174 (GA104) GeForce RTX (3060 Ti, 3070, 3080 Mobile) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2020 NV170 family (Ampere) |- | <!--Description-->NV176 (GA106) GeForce RTX (3050, 3060) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2021 |- | <!--Description-->NV177 (GA107) GeForce RTX 3050 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->NV192 (AD102) GeForce RTX 4090 ada | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2022 |- | <!--Description-->NV193 (AD103) GeForce RTX 4080 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | 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|- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->Geforce RTX 5090 blackwell GB202 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Quadro RTX Pro 4000 Blackwell | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2024 70w - |- | <!--Description--> | 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<!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->NVC0 (GF100) Fermi GeForce GTX 480M, Quadro 5000M | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NVC1 (GF108) GeForce GT 415M, 420M, 425M, 435M, 520M, 525M, 540M, 550M, 555M, 630M, 635M, 640M LE, Quadro 1000M | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NVC3 (GF106) Fermi GeForce GT 445M, 555M, 630M, 635M), GTX 460M, Quadro 2000M | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NVC4 (GF104) GeForce GTX 470M, 485M, Quadro 5000M | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NVCE (GF114) GeForce GTX 570M, 580M, 670M, 675M, | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NVD7 (GF117) Fermi Geforce GT 620M, 625M, (some) 630M, 710M, 720M | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NVD9 (GF119) Fermi GeForce 410M, GT 520M, 520MX, 610M, Quadro NVS 4200M | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->NVE4 (GK104) GeForce GTX 670M, 680M, 775M, 780M, 860M, Quadro K3000M, K3100M, K4000M, K4100M, K5000M, K5100M, | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NVE7 (GK107) GeForce GT640M, 645M, 650M, 710M, 720M, 730M, 740M, 745M, 750M, 755M, GTX 660M, K500M, K1000M, K1100M, K2000M | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Geforce gtx 760m GK106S | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2013 like msi ge40 ge60 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Geforce GTX 850M GM107 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2014 slower than gtx 750 ti - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->GTX 1650 mobile | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2019 turing architecture - last old skool support pre Vulkan |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->rtx 2050 mobile | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2022 ampere architecture best starting point for vulkan support |- | <!--Description-->rtx 2060 mobile | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->rtx 4060 mobile | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====radeon.hidd==== Michel Shultz ''2D'' graphics driver (standard on most distributions but only for very old GPUs) and bearsofts updated 2013 around Icaros 1.3.1 3D is not implemented by AROS yet but could cover these AMD chipsets <pre> 2014 SI AMD HD 7xxx 2016 GCN3rd AMD R5E R7E 2019 GCN5th AMD Vega 8 2022 RDNA1 AMD RX5500 desktop only 2023 RDNA2 AMD 680M 780M 2024 RDNA3 AMD 880M 890M 2025 RDNA3.5 AMD 8060S strix halo and AI 2027 RDNA4 AMD </pre> {| class="wikitable" ! Description ! Vendor ID ! Product ID ! Revision ! 2D ! 3D ! Analogue Output ! Digital Output ! Laptop LCD ! Comments |- | 7000 (r100) | 0x1002 | 0x5159 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Maybe|vga15 pin connection but not s-video}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 1.3 |- | 7500 (rv200 but still r100 based) | 0x1002 | 0x5157 | 0x | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes|vga15}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 1.3 |- | 8000 8500 (r200) | 0x1002 | 0x514c (8500LE) | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 1.4 |- | 9000 9100 9250 (r200) | 0x1002 | 0x5964 (9000) 0x514d (9100) | 0x0001 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Maybe|VGA15 but not s-video}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 1.4 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | 9600 9800 (r300) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 2.1 |- | x300 x600 (r300) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 2.1 |- | x700, x800 ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_R600 r420]) | 0x | 0x554d (R430 x800xl) | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|new driver}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 2.1 - x800 XL PCIE (problem with mouse-pointer, some part of the pointer is not transparent) |- | x1300 x1550 x1600 x1800 x1900 x1950 ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_R520 r520]) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|new driver}} | <!--3D-->{{no}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 2.1 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | HD2400 HD2600 HD2900 ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_R600 r600]) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|some features with new driver}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> openGL 3.3 open CL 1.2 TeraScale architecture |- | HD3400 HD3600 HD3800 (r600) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|some features with new driver}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->pci-e 2.0, openGL 3.3 |- | HD4300 HD4500 HD4600 HD4700 HD4800 ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_R600 r700]) | 0x1002 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|but some later cards need 3D engine for faster and more flexible 2D now}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 3.3 - DDR3 - GDDR5 was one of AMD's aces for the 4800 series - 4670 liked - |- | HD6900 cayman series | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|some features with new driver}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> openGL 3.3 open CL not mature (2014) - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | HD5400 Series HD5430 HD5450 HD5470 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{No|needs 3D engine for accelerated 2D now}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2010 openGL 3.3 openCL - GDDR3 - |- | HD5500 Series HD5550 HD5570 HD5600 Series HD5650 HD5670 HD5700 Series HD5750 HD5770 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{No|needs 3D engine for accelerated 2D now}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 3.3 openCL - GDDR5 |- | HD 5800 Series HD5850 HD5870 HD5900 Series HD5950 HD5970 - HD6xxx not NI chipset ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evergreen_(GPU_family) r800 evergreen]) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{No|needs 3D engine for accelerated 2D now}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2009 openGL 3.3 openCL - DDR5 pci-e 2.1 best avoided for all pci-e 1.0 mobos - Ati TeraScale2 architecture - |- | HD6450 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Islands_(GPU_family) Northern Islands chipset] | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{No|needs 3D engine for accelerated 2D now}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> - DDR3 - |- | HD6600 Series HD6650 HD6570 HD6600 Series HD6650 HD6670 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{No|needs 3D engine for accelerated 2D now}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2011 - DDR5 - Radeon HD 8470 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 8350 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 7510 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6550D 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6530D 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6410D 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6370D 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6320 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6310 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6290 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6250 11 TeraScale 2 |- | HD6800 Series HD6850 HD6870 HD6700 Series HD6790 to HD6990 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{No|needs 3D engine for accelerated 2D now}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2011 - DDR5 - AMD TeraScale3 - |- | <!--Description-->HD7450-HD7670 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2012 OpenGL but not Vulkan Radeon HD 7660D 11 TeraScale 3 Radeon HD 7560D 11 TeraScale 3 Radeon HD 7540D 11 TeraScale 3 Radeon HD 7480D 11 TeraScale 3 Radeon HD 6930 11 TeraScale 3 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->HD7750 HD 7770 / R7 250X HD7850 HD7870 / R9 270X HD 7950 / R9 280 HD 7970 / R9 280X [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Islands_(GPU_family) Southern Islands] *AMD Radeon R7 250XE Cape Verde XT *AMD Radeon R7 M465X Cape Verde *AMD Radeon R9 255 Cape Verde PRX *AMD Radeon HD 7750 Cape Verde PRO *AMD Radeon R7 250E Cape Verde PRO *AMD Radeon HD 8740 Cape Verde PRO *AMD Radeon HD 7730 Cape Verde LE | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2012 pci-e 3.0 1st Gen GCN architecture - |- | <!--Description-->R5 430, FirePro W2100, | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2015 50W+ openGL openCL 1/3 speed of gtx750ti 1st gen gcn1 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->HD7790 [ Sea Islands ] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2013 openGL 4.1 open CL - GCN2.0 Vulkan 1.0 introduced a Shader Engine (SE) comprising one geometry processor, up to 44 CUs (Hawaii chip), rasterizers, ROPs, and L1 cache and Graphics Command Processor for faster audio/video - suits Vulkan 1.1 |- | <!--Description-->r5 240 240x (slow) R7 250 250x (faster) HD 7790 / R7 260 260X / R7 360 to R5 350 (fast) and last one R5 430 OEM Plus (slow again) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2013 50W+ GCN 1st gen - openGL 4.x openCL 1.x Vulkan 1.0 |- | <!--Description-->R9 290 / R9 390 R9 290X / R9 390X | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2014 GCN 1.1 2nd Gen architecture - openGL 4.x openCL 1.x Vulkan 1.1 - |- | <!--Description-->R9 Fury Nano | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2015 GCN 1.2 3rd Gen - openGL openCL vulkan |- | <!--Description-->r-200 series r8 275 285 295 375 [Volcanic Islands] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2015 GCN1.2 - openGL 4.x openCL 1.x Vulkan 1.2 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2015 [https://gpuopen.com/download/AMD_GCN3_Instruction_Set_Architecture_rev1.1.pdf GCN3] |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->Radeon™ RX 5700/5600/5500 Series | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2022 GCN 4 - OpenGL 4, Vulkan 1.3 - |- | <!--Description-->Radeon™ RX 400/500 Series like rx vega 580 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Radeon™ Pro WX 9100, x200 Series and Radeon™ Pro W5700/W5500 Series | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->Radeon™ RX 7900/7600 Series | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Radeon™ RX 6900/6800/6700/6600/6500 Series | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |} ==== amd radeon mobile integrated ==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="5%" | Description ! width="5%" | Vendor ID ! width="5%" | Product ID ! width="2%" | Rev ! width="5%" | 2D ! width="5%" | 3D ! width="5%" | Analog Output ! width="5%" | Digital Output ! width="5%" | Laptop LCD ! width=40%" | Comments |- | <!--Description-->ATI RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M] | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1002 | <!--Product ID-->0x5a62 0x5955 0x5974 (200m) | <!--Revision-->0x00 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon 7500 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1002 | <!--Product ID-->0x4c57 (7500) | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon 9000 | 0x1002 | 0x4966 (9000) | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon 9500 9550 (rv360) 9600 (rv350) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon 9800 (rv420) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon X300 (RV370) X600 (RV380) | 0x1002 | 0x (RV370) 0x5657 (RV380) | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon X700 (RV410) X800 (RV423) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon X1200 (RS69M0) | 0x1002 | 0x791f | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->X1200 IGP (RS690) |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon X1300 X1350 X1400(rv515) X1600 (rv530) X1650 (RV535) X1800 (rv520) x1900 (rv570) | 0x1002 | 0x71c7 (X1650) | 0x009e | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon 2100 | 0x1002 | 0x796e (2100) | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No|}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon HD 2400 (rv610) HD2600 (rv630) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon HD 3100 HD3200 HD3450 3470 (RS780MC RV620) 3670 (M86-XT RV635) HD3870 (M88-LXT RV670) | 0x1002 | 0x9610 and 0x9612 (HD3200) 0x9614 (HD3300) | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon HD 4200 4250 (RV620) | 0x1002 | 0x (HD4200) 0x9715 (HD4250) | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon HD 4330 4530 4550 (M92 RV710) 4650 (M96-XT RV730) 4670 RV730XT 4830 (M97 RV740) 4850 (M98 RV770) | 0x1002 | 0x (HD4350) 0x9442 (RV770) 0x9490 (HD4670) | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon HD 530v (M92 RV710) HD 550v (M96 RV730) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->no support yet |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon HD 5430 HD5650 (cedar Park LP) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->no support yet |- | <!--Description-->Radeon HD 6250 6290 6310 6320 6350M (Redwood Capilano PRO) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->no support yet |- | <!--Description-->AMD 7640G, 8450G, 8550G, 8650G Northern Islands | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2013 Last real support for old graphics standard before Vulkan takeover |- | <!--Description-->R5 M230 M240 M255 - R7 M260 M265 (Kaveri Crystal series with Mantle and HSA) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->2015 Maybe better with Vulkan |- | <!--Description-->R5E R7E | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->2016 bristol ridge GCN 3.0 IGP (Carrizo Mobile) |- | <!--Description-->AMD Vega 3, 6, 8, 11 iGP | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2018 raven ridge GCN 5th Gen |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->5500m 5600m 5800m | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->RDNA1 NaviX1 Zen 2 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->rx680m | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->RDNA2 NaviX2 Zen 3 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->phoenix apu 1103 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2022 RDNA3 NaviX3 zen 4 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ==== AMDGPU Vulkan desktop ==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="5%" | Description ! width="5%" | Vendor ID ! width="5%" | Product ID ! width="2%" | Rev ! width="5%" | 2D ! width="5%" | 3D ! width="5%" | Analog Output ! width="5%" | Digital Output ! width="5%" | Laptop LCD ! width=40%" | Comments |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | 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<!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- |} ==== AMDGPU Vulkan mobile ==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="5%" | Description ! width="5%" | Vendor ID ! width="5%" | Product ID ! width="2%" | Rev ! width="5%" | 2D ! width="5%" | 3D ! width="5%" | Analog Output ! width="5%" | Digital Output ! width="5%" | Laptop LCD ! width=40%" | Comments |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->R5E R7E | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->2016 bristol ridge GCN 3.0 IGP (Carrizo Mobile) |- | <!--Description-->Vega 8 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> GCN 5 |- | <!--Description-->Vega iGP 3, 6, 8, 11 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2018 raven ridge - Graphics Core Next (GCN) 5th gen - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->5500m 5600m 5800m | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->RDNA1 NaviX1 Zen 2 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->rx680m | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->RDNA2 NaviX2 Zen 3 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->phoenix apu 1103 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->RDNA3 NaviX3 zen 4 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} fyi if a notebooks with two graphic cards, the integrated Intel card (id 0x7d) for low power usage and a discrete Radeon card (id 0x56) which should be used for GPU-intensive applications. By default the Intel card is always used [https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ATI Gallium Radeon HD] is not ported yet but is [https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.9-AMDGPU-Stats really big] and complex so another solution may have to be [https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/the-graphics-acceleration-can-of-worms/10515/5 found] like [https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/vulkan-lavapipe-software-rendering-is-working-on-haiku/11363/10 vulkan] where support starts from very recent ISA GCN islands HD7000s cards only *Vulkan *Gallium Vulkan software renderer allows to prepares the infrastructure for hardware rendering. Primary difference between software and hardware renderer is output to regular RAM vs GPU RAM, the rest is almost the same. It is possible to render to GPU RAM offscreen. bare bones basics data flow application,>>> api/opengl/vulkan>>>>, jit compiler, >>>>memory manger, >>>>gpu hardware so you need to have a compiler that takes your api call/program/shaders/drawing commands and turns them into a program the gpu can render. the vulkan to amd gpu compiler for shaders and textures is nearly os agnostic iirc as long as you have solid posix compliance Unlike OpenGL, Vulkan does not depend on windowing system and it have driver add-on system with standardized API (Mesa also have OpenGL driver add-ons, but it have non-standard Mesa-specific API). OpenGL may need more work for windowing system related code at this point but developing Vulkan on real hardware is more strategic than developing OpenGL, since now Zink 3 running on Vulkan compensates for the lack of OpenGL support by giving performance similar to native accelerated OpenGL RadeonGfx use client-server model with client-server thread pairs. For each client thread that calls 3D acceleration API, server side thread is created. If client thread terminates, server side thread also exit. ==Rough gfx comparison== <pre> Group 1 GeForce RTX 5090 5070 5060 5050 GeForce RTX 4090 4070 4060 4050 Group 2 Radeon 6700 XT GeForce RTX 2080 Super Radeon RX 6700 GeForce RTX 2070 Super Radeon 5700 XT GeForce RTX 2070 Radeon RX 7600 Quadro RTX 5000 Radeon PRO W6600 GeForce RTX 2060 12GB Radeon PRO W7500 Quadro GP100 Radeon RX 6800S GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU GeForce GTX 1080 GeForce RTX 3060 8GB Quadro RTX 4000 Radeon Pro W5700 Radeon RX 6600 GeForce RTX 2080 (Mobile) GeForce RTX 2060 Super Radeon RX 7700S Radeon RX 6700S Radeon RX 6600S Quadro RTX 5000 (Mobile) GeForce GTX 1070 Ti GeForce RTX 4050 Laptop GPU Radeon Pro Vega 64X Radeon RX 5700 Radeon RX Vega 64 GeForce RTX 2060 GeForce RTX 2070 Super with Max-Q Design Group 3 Radeon RX 6600M GeForce GTX 1070 Radeon RX 6650M GeForce RTX 3060 Laptop GPU Radeon RX Vega 56 Radeon RX 6700M GeForce RTX 2080 with Max-Q Design Radeon RX 6800M GeForce GTX 980 Ti Radeon R9 Fury GeForce GTX 980 Quadro M5500 Radeon R9 390X Radeon RX 580 Radeon RX 5500 Radeon RX 6550M GeForce GTX 1660 Ti with Max-Q Design GeForce GTX 780 Ti GeForce GTX 970 Radeon R9 290X Radeon RX 480 Radeon RX 5600M Quadro RTX 3000 with Max-Q Design Radeon R9 290X / 390X Ryzen 5 4600HS with Radeon Graphics Radeon R9 290 Radeon Pro 5500 XT Radeon R9 M490 * GeForce GTX 780 Radeon RX 6500M Quadro M5500 GeForce GTX 1060 with Max-Q Design Radeon RX 6500 Radeon RX 5300 Intel Arc A770M GeForce GTX 1650 Ti Radeon Pro 580X Radeon RX 6400 GeForce RTX 2050 Ryzen 9 4900HS with Radeon Graphics Radeon Ryzen 9 6900HS GeForce GTX 980M Quadro M5000M Radeon RX 6300 GeForce GTX 1650 Ti with Max-Q Design Radeon Pro 570 Ryzen 9 6900HS with Radeon Graphics GeForce GTX 1050 Ti Quadro M4000M Radeon R9 280X 380X GeForce GTX 1650 with Max-Q Design GeForce MX570 Radeon R9 280X Radeon R9 380 Radeon 780M GeForce GTX 960 GeForce GTX 970M Quadro M4000M * GeForce GTX 680 Group 4 Radeon RX 6500M Quadro M5500 Radeon Pro WX 7100 GeForce GTX 1060 with Max-Q Design GeForce GTX 1650 Intel Arc A730M Radeon HD 7970 Radeon R9 M395X Radeon R9 M485X Radeon R9 M480 * Radeon R9 M295X Radeon R9 M390X * FirePro W7170M * Radeon R9 M395 Radeon R7 370 Radeon RX 5500M GeForce GTX 590 GeForce GTX 880M GeForce GTX 950 Radeon R9 270X GeForce GTX 660 Ti GeForce GTX 760 GeForce GTX 780M Quadro K5100M GeForce GTX 680MX Radeon HD 7870 GeForce GTX 965M Quadro M3000M * GeForce GTX 870M Radeon R9 M290X Radeon HD 8970M Radeon Ryzen 7 7735U (680M), Radeon Ryzen 7 7735HS (680M 12C) GeForce GTX 580 Radeon HD 6970 GeForce GTX 1050 GeForce GTX 680M GeForce GTX 775M GeForce GTX 1630 FirePro M6100 Radeon HD 7970M Radeon R9 M390 * GeForce GTX 750 Ti Group 5 GeForce GTX 570 GeForce GTX 480 GeForce GTX 960M Quadro M2000M * Quadro K5000M Quadro K4100M GeForce GTX 770M GeForce GTX 860M GeForce GTX 675MX GeForce GTX 950M GeForce GTX 850M Quadro M1000M Radeon R9 M280X Radeon HD 7950M * GeForce GTX 560 Ti Radeon HD 6870 GeForce GTX 470 GeForce GT 1030 GeForce MX330 Ryzen 5 PRO 5650GE with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 7 5800HS FirePro 3D V8800 GeForce MX250 Group 6 Radeon Pro WX 3200 Ryzen 7 PRO 5750G with Radeon Graphics Radeon Ryzen 5 5600H Ryzen 5 Pro 4650G with Radeon Graphics Radeon Ryzen 7 5800U Ryzen 7 7730U with Radeon Graphics Radeon Ryzen 7 5825U Radeon Pro WX 4150 Radeon Ryzen 5 PRO 4655G Ryzen 5 4600G with Radeon Graphics Radeon Ryzen 5 PRO 4655GE GeForce GTX 485M FirePro W6150M Ryzen 7 5800U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 5 7530U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 7 4800U with Radeon Graphics Radeon R9 M470 Ryzen 3 PRO 5350G with Radeon Graphics Radeon RX Vega Ryzen 3 5300U Ryzen 7 5825U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 5 PRO 4400G with Radeon Graphics Radeon Ryzen 7 PRO 4750GE Radeon Ryzen 7 4800U FirePro V7900 Radeon HD 5970 Radeon Ryzen 7 7700X 8-Core Radeon Ryzen 5 PRO 5650G Radeon Ryzen 5 4400G Radeon Ryzen 5 PRO 5650GE Radeon RX 550X FirePro V8800 Radeon RX Vega Ryzen 5 5500U GeForce MX150 Quadro K3100M Ryzen 7 PRO 5850U with Radeon Graphics Radeon HD 6970M Radeon R7 250X Intel HD 5600 Ryzen 3 4300GE with Radeon Graphics GeForce GTX 460 Ryzen 7 5700U with Radeon Graphics Radeon Ryzen 5 7530U Quadro K620 Ryzen 3 PRO 5350GE with Radeon Graphics Intel Iris Pro P580 Intel UHD Graphics P630 Ryzen 5 4600H with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 5 PRO 7530U with Radeon Graphics Radeon HD 5870 Radeon HD 6870 Ryzen 7 4700G with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 5 5600U with Radeon Graphics Radeon HD 7770 Ryzen 3 Pro 4350G with Radeon Graphics Radeon Ryzen 5 5625U GeForce GTX 745 Radeon Ryzen 7 4850U Mobile Radeon Ryzen 3 PRO 7330U Quadro M600M Radeon Ryzen 5 5500U Ryzen 5 5560U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 7 4800H with Radeon Graphics Group 7 GeForce 945M Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE with Radeon Graphics FirePro M5100 Radeon Ryzen 5 5600U Radeon Ryzen 5 PRO 4500U GeForce GTX 580M Ryzen 7 PRO 5875U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 3 5300GE with Radeon Graphics Radeon R9 M385 Quadro 5000MGK106S Radeon Ryzen 7 4700U Ryzen 5 PRO 5650U with Radeon Graphics Radeon Ryzen 7 PRO 4750U Ryzen 7 4700U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 7 PRO 4750U with Radeon Graphics FirePro V7800 Radeon R9 350 Ryzen 3 4300G with Radeon Graphics Radeon Vega 11 Ryzen 5 PRO 3350G Radeon Ryzen 5 5560U GeForce GTX 460 SE Radeon Pro W5500M Radeon Vega 11 Ryzen 5 PRO 3400G Ryzen 5 5500U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 5 PRO 4500U with Radeon Graphics GeForce GT 645 GeForce GTX 765M Radeon R9 M385X Ryzen 5 5625U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 3 PRO 7330U with Radeon Graphics Radeon HD 5850 Radeon Vega 11 Ryzen 5 PRO 2400G Intel Iris Pro 580 Radeon HD 6850 Intel Iris Xe MAX Radeon Ryzen 7 PRO 5875U Radeon Ryzen 5 7600 6-Core GeForce GTX 470M Ryzen 3 5300G with Radeon Graphics GeForce GTX 670MX Radeon RX 640 Qualcomm Adreno Gen 3 Radeon R7 450 GeForce GTX 675M Radeon Pro WX 4130 Intel Iris Xe MAX 100 Quadro 5000 Radeon RX 570X Radeon HD 7700-serie Ryzen 5 4600U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE with Radeon Graphics Radeon Vega 8 Group 8 GeForce MX230 GeForce GTX 765M Quadro K4000M Iris Pro Graphics P580 * Iris Pro Graphics 580 * GeForce GTX 645 Quadro M520 GeForce GTX 570M GeForce MX130 Radeon RX 540 Radeon Ryzen 5 PRO 5675U Intel UHD Graphics 770 Radeon RX Vega 11 Ryzen 7 3750H Radeon Vega 11 Ryzen 5 PRO 3400GE Radeon HD 5850 GeForce GTX 675M GeForce GTX 580M Radeon HD 6990M Radeon R9 M385X * Radeon R9 M470X * Radeon R9 M470 * Radeon R9 M385 * Radeon R9 M380 * Radeon R9 M370X Radeon R9 M275 Radeon HD 7770 GeForce GTX 485M GeForce GTX 460 768MB Radeon HD 6790 GeForce GTX 285M SLI Quadro K3100M FirePro W5170M * GeForce GTX 670MX Quadro 5010M GeForce GTX 760M GeForce GTX 670M Group 9 GeForce 940MX * Maxwell GPU (940M, GDDR5) FirePro M8900 Radeon HD 6970M Radeon R9 M270 Radeon HD 8870M Radeon HD 7870M Quadro K3000M GeForce GTX 570M FirePro M6000 FirePro M5100 Quadro K2100M Radeon HD 5770 GeForce GTX 550 Ti GeForce GTX 280M SLI Radeon HD 6950M Radeon R7 250 GeForce GT 755M GeForce GTX 660M GeForce 845M Radeon HD 8850M Radeon R9 M365X Radeon R9 M265X Ryzen 5 PRO 4400GE with Radeon Graphics FirePro W5130M * Radeon Vega 8 Ryzen 5 3500U Radeon HD 7850M Radeon HD 8790M FirePro W4170M FirePro W4190M FirePro W4100 Radeon Vega 6 Ryzen 3 3300U Quadro 4000M GeForce GTX 470M GeForce GTX 480M GeForce GT 750M Iris Pro Graphics 6200 Quadro K1100M GeForce 940M Radeon R9 M375 GeForce 930MX * Radeon R7 M380 * Radeon R7 M370 Quadro M600M * GeForce GT 650M Quadro K620M GeForce 840M Radeon R7 M275DX GeForce GT 745M Radeon HD 7770M GeForce GTX 560M Radeon R7 Iris Pro Graphics 5200 GeForce GT 740M GeForce 930M Radeon HD 4850 Group 10 Iris Graphics 550 * GeForce 830M Iris Graphics 540 Quadro M500M * Quadro K2000M GeForce GTS 450 GeForce GTX 260M SLI GeForce GT 735M Mobility Radeon HD 5870 GeForce 825M Quadro 5000M FirePro M4000 FirePro M7820 Radeon HD 6870M GeForce 9800M GTX SLI Radeon HD 8830M * Radeon HD 8770M Radeon R7 M260X GeForce GTX 460M GeForce 920MX * GeForce GT 730M Radeon HD 7750M GeForce GT 645M * FirePro M4100 Radeon HD 8750M Radeon R6 A10-9600P 4C+6G Quadro 3000M Radeon R7 M270 Radeon R7 M265 Quadro FX 3800M GeForce GTX 285M Mobility Radeon HD 4870 GeForce GT 640M Radeon R7 (Kaveri) Radeon R8 M365DX Radeon R7 M460 * Radeon HD 7730M Radeon R7 M360 GeForce GTX 280M Radeon HD 8690M Quadro FX 3700M Radeon R7 M340 GeForce 920M Radeon R6 M340DX HD Graphics 530 HD Graphics P530 Tegra X1 Maxwell GPU Radeon R7 M260 Radeon R6 Group 11 Mobility Radeon HD 4860 FirePro M7740 Mobility Radeon HD 4850 GeForce GTX 260M GeForce 9800M GTX Quadro FX 2800M Radeon HD 8670D Radeon HD 7690M XT FirePro M5950 GeForce GT 640M LE Radeon R6 (Kaveri) Radeon HD 8650M * Radeon HD 8730M Radeon HD 6770M GeForce GT 635M GeForce GT 555M Radeon R7 A10 PRO-7800B Radeon HD 5670 Mobility Radeon HD 5850 Radeon HD 6850M Quadro 2000M GeForce 9800M GT GeForce 8800M GTX Quadro FX 3600M GeForce GT 445M GeForce GTS 360M Group 12 GeForce GT 240 Radeon R7 PRO A10-9700 Radeon HD 7690M HD Graphics 5600 Radeon HD 8570D Radeon HD 8670M Radeon R6 M255DX Radeon HD 7660D Radeon HD 6750M Quadro K1000M GeForce GT 550M Radeon HD 8590M * GeForce GTS 260M GeForce GTS 160M GeForce 9800M GTS GeForce GT 430 Radeon HD 6830M Mobility Radeon HD 5830 Radeon HD 6730M * GeForce 9800M GS Mobility Radeon HD 4830 Mobility Radeon HD 5770 Radeon HD 6570M Radeon HD 8650G Radeon HD 7670M GeForce GT 630M Radeon HD 7560D GeForce GTS 150M * Radeon R5 M335 Radeon R5 M430 * Radeon R5 M330 Radeon R5 M255 Radeon Vega 3 Quadro 1000M GeForce 820M FirePro W2100 HD Graphics 520 620 Iris Graphics 6100 GeForce GT 720M GeForce 8800M GTS Radeon R5 M240 Radeon R5 M320 * Radeon R5 M230 Radeon R5 M315 * Mobility Radeon HD 5750 * Radeon HD 8570M Radeon R7 PRO A10-8850B HD Graphics 6000 Quadro K610M Radeon HD 8550M Iris Graphics 5100 GeForce GT 540M Mali-T880 MP12 * Radeon HD 8610G * Radeon HD 6650M HD Graphics 4600 Mobility Radeon HD 5730 HD Graphics 5500 Radeon R5 (Carrizo) * Radeon R5 (Kaveri) FirePro M5800 NVS 5400M GeForce 710M Radeon HD 7660G GeForce GT 435M HD Graphics 5000 Quadro K510M * Radeon HD 5570 Radeon HD 6550M Radeon HD 7590M * GeForce GTS 350M GeForce GTS 250M Radeon HD 6630M Radeon HD 7650M FirePro M2000 Radeon HD 7570M Radeon HD 7630M Quadro FX 1800M Mobility Radeon HD 5650 Radeon HD 8510G * Radeon HD 6530M Radeon HD 8550G Quadro K500M * GeForce GT 625M * GeForce GT 620M GeForce GT 525M Radeon HD 6550D * Radeon HD 7610M Radeon HD 7620G Radeon HD 8470D Radeon HD 7640G Adreno 530 GeForce ULP K1 (Tegra K1 Kepler GPU) HD Graphics 4400 HD Graphics 510 515 * NVS 5200M Mobility Radeon HD 565v Radeon HD 7550M Mobility Radeon HD 4670 GeForce GT 425M GeForce 9700M GTS Radeon HD 6645G2 * Quadro FX 2700M GeForce GT 335M Radeon HD 7600G Mobility Radeon HD 3870 Mobility Radeon HD 4650 GeForce GT 220 GeForce GT 420M Radeon HD 7530M * Mobility Radeon HD 3850 GeForce GT 330M Quadro FX 880M Quadro NVS 5100M GeForce GT 240M Radeon HD 7490M * HD Graphics 5300 Radeon HD 7510M * GeForce Go 7950 GTX Quadro FX 3500M GeForce 8700M GT SLI GeForce 9700M GT GeForce GT 230M Mobility Radeon HD 550v Radeon HD 7480D HD Graphics 4000 Mali-T760 MP8 Radeon HD 6620G HD Graphics (Broadwell) * Adreno 430 Radeon R5 (Beema/Carrizo-L) Radeon R4 (Beema) (Kaveri) HD Graphics (Skylake) * Radeon HD 6450 GDDR5 Radeon HD 7500G Radeon HD 8450G Radeon HD 7470M Radeon HD 6490M Radeon HD 8400 Mali-T880 MP4 GeForce GT 520MX Radeon HD 7520G GeForce GT 325M GeForce Go 7800 GTX SLI GeForce 8600M GT SLI GeForce Go 7900 GS SLI GeForce GT 130M NVS 4200M GeForce Go 7900 GTX Quadro FX 2500M Radeon HD 8350G Radeon HD 8330 GeForce 9650M GS GeForce 9650M GT Radeon R3 (Mullins/Beema) GeForce 8700M GT Quadro FX 1700M Quadro FX 1600M GeForce Go 7800 GTX GeForce Go 7900 GS Quadro NVS 320M Quadro FX 1500M GeForce 9600M GT GeForce GT 220M Quadro FX 770M GeForce GT 120M Radeon HD 7450M GeForce 610M GeForce 705M Mali-T760 MP6 Radeon HD 6470M FirePro M3900 * GeForce GT 520M Radeon HD 7420G Mobility Radeon HD 3670 Mobility FireGL V5725 PowerVR GX6450 Adreno 420 HD Graphics (Haswell) Radeon HD 6520G Radeon HD 8310G * GeForce 320M GeForce GT 320M Mobility Radeon HD 2600 XT Mobility Radeon X1900 Mobility Radeon X1800XT Mobility Radeon X1800 GeForce Go 6800 Ultra GeForce Go 7800 GeForce 9600M GS GeForce 9500M GS Radeon HD 7400G Radeon HD 6480G * Mobility Radeon HD 2700 GeForce GT 415M GeForce 410M Radeon HD 7370M Adreno 418 HD Graphics (Cherry Trail) Radeon HD 6370M Radeon HD 8280 Mobility Radeon HD 5470 Radeon HD 6450M Radeon HD 7430M * Mobility Radeon HD 3650 Mobility FireGL V5700 Mobility Radeon HD 5145 Mobility Radeon HD 545v Radeon R6 (Mullins) * Radeon HD 8240 Radeon HD 8250 Mobility Radeon HD 4570 Quadro FX 570M Mobility Radeon HD 5450 * Radeon R2 (Mullins/Beema) * GeForce 8600M GT Mobility Radeon HD 2600 HD Graphics 3000 Quadro FX 380M GeForce 310M GeForce G210M NVS 3100M GeForce 405M GeForce 315M GeForce Go 7600 GT GeForce 9500M G GeForce 8600M GS NVS 2100M GeForce Go 7700 GeForce Go 6800 Quadro FX Go 1400 Mobility Radeon X800XT Radeon HD 6430M * Radeon HD 6380G * Mobility Radeon HD 5430 Radeon HD 8210 Mobility Radeon HD 540v Mobility Radeon HD 4550 HD Graphics 2500 HD Graphics (Ivy Bridge) Quadro NVS 310 Radeon HD 7350M * Radeon HD 6350M * Mobility Radeon HD 4530 Mobility Radeon HD 4350 Radeon HD 4350 GeForce 305M Mobility Radeon X1700 Mobility FireGL V5250 Mobility Radeon X2500 GeForce Go 7600 Quadro NVS 300M Mobility Radeon X800 Mobility Radeon X1600 Mobility FireGL V5200 Mobility Radeon 9800 GeForce Go 6600 Mobility Radeon X1450 Mobility Radeon X700 Mobility FireGL V5000 GeForce G 110M Quadro NVS 295 Radeon HD 6330M * Mobility Radeon HD 4330 GeForce 8400M GT Quadro NVS 140M HD Graphics 2000 GeForce 9500M GE * GeForce 9400M (G) / ION (LE) HD Graphics (Sandy Bridge) * Adreno 330 PowerVR G6430 PowerVR GX6250 PowerVR G6400 HD Graphics (Bay Trail) Mali-T628 MP6 Mali-T760 MP4 Chrome9HD * Radeon HD 7340 Radeon HD 6320 * Radeon HD 7310 Radeon HD 6310 * Radeon HD 8180 Mobility Radeon HD 3470 GeForce 9300M G ION 2 * GeForce 9300M GS Quadro FX 370M Quadro NVS 160M GeForce 9200M GS Mobility Radeon HD 3450 Mobility Radeon HD 3430 Mobility Radeon HD 3410 Mobility Radeon HD 2400 XT Radeon HD 4270 Radeon HD 4250 Radeon HD 7290 * Radeon HD 6290 * Radeon HD 4200 Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) HD Graphics Radeon HD 6250 Quadro NVS 150M Quadro FX 360M Mobility Radeon X1350 Mobility Radeon X1400 GeForce 9100M G GeForce 8400M GS Quadro NVS 135M Mobility Radeon HD 2400 Radeon HD 3200 Radeon HD 4225 * Radeon HD 4100 * SGX554MP4 Mali-T628 MP4 Mobility Radeon HD 3400 * Radeon HD 3100 GeForce 8400M G Mali-T860 MP2 Quadro NVS 130M GeForce 8200M G Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) 4700MHD Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) 4500MHD Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) 4500M Mali-T604 MP4 GeForce Go 7400 Quadro FX 350M Quadro NVS 120M GeForce Go 7300 GeForce Tegra 4 * PowerVR G6200 Adreno 405 * Quadro NVS 110M Mobility Radeon X600 Mobility FireGL V3200 Mobility FireGL V3100 Mobility Radeon HD X2300 Mobility Radeon 9700 Mobility FireGL T2e Mobility Radeon X1300 GeForce4 4200 Go Mobility Radeon 9600 Mobility FireGL T2 Mobility Radeon 9550 GeForce Go 7200 GeForce Go 6400 Mobility Radeon X300 GeForce Go 6250 GeForce Go 6200 GeForce FX Go 5700 Quadro FX Go 1000 GeForce FX Go 5600 / 5650 Radeon Xpress X1270 Radeon Xpress X1250 Radeon Xpress X1200 Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) X3100 Mali-T624 Adreno 320 * Mali-T760 MP2 Mali-T720 MP4 Mali-450 MP4 Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) 3650 * GeForce 7190M * GeForce 7150M Radeon Xpress 1150 GeForce Go 6150 GeForce Go 6100 GeForce 7000M Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) 3600 * Mobility Radeon 9200 Mobility FireGL 9000 GeForce FX Go 5200 Mobility Radeon 9000 GeForce 4 488 Go GeForce 4 460 Go GeForce 4 440 Go GeForce 4 420 Go Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) 3150 Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) 950 SGX545 SGX544MP2 SGX543MP2 * Mali-T720 MP2 Mali-T720 Adreno 302 304 305 306 Mobility Radeon 7500 Mobility FireGL 7800 Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) 900 Radeon Xpress 200M Radeon Xpress 1100 Mirage 3+ 672MX Mirage 3 671MX Mali-400 MP4 * GeForce ULP (Tegra 3) * VideoCore-IV * Adreno 220 225* Vivante GC1000+ Dual-Core Mali-400 MP2 * GeForce ULP (Tegra 2) * Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) 600 * SGX540 * Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) 500 Adreno 205 * Adreno 203 * GC800 * SGX535 SGX531 SGX530 Adreno 200 * Mali-200 * GeForce 3 Go * GeForce 2 Go 200 / 100 Mobility Radeon 9100 IGP Mobility Radeon 9000 IGP Mobility Radeon M7 Mobility Radeon M6 Chrome9 HC Extreme Graphics 2 Mobility Radeon 7000 IGP Radeon IGP 340M Radeon IGP 320M S3G UniChrome Pro II S3G UniChrome Pro Castle Rock Mirage 2 M760 Mirage M661FX S3 Graphics ProSavage8 Mobility 128 M3 SM502 * </pre> Kernel-space drivers like '''radeon''' (older AMD driver for older GPUs), '''amdgpu''' (newer driver for newer GPUs, allows using a few new features), i915, nouveau and a few others. They are what handles the gory details of talking to the GPU itself (writing to proper registers, handling its memory directly, configuring outputs, and so on). Unfortunately most of what they're exposing can be only consumed by a single user of that GPU, which is why we need... DRM and DRI (Direct Rendering Manager/Infrastructure) controls access to the GPUs, provides interfaces for talking to the GPU concurrently by multiple apps at once (without them breaking each other) and lets the system perform the most basic tasks like setting proper resolution and such if no userspace apps understand how to talk to the GPU exposed. DRI and DRM expose the GPU interfaces mostly as-is, not in a "vendor-neutral" portable way - if you don't have an application developed specifically for a GPU you have, it won't work. "let's create a vendor-neutral interface for graphics so that apps can ignore the GPU-specific bits and get right to the drawing!" - which is what OpenGL is. User-space drivers implement the OpenGL specification and expose it as an OpenGL library to apps (like games, browsers, etc) instead of the GPU. Mesa is the most popular collection of open-source user-space drivers and contains a few user-space drivers for different GPU families: '''radeonsi''' for most modern AMD GPUs (and '''r600g''', r300g and others for older ones), '''i915/i965''' for old/new Intel GPUs and '''nouveau''' for Nvidia GPUs. There's also Gallium, which is a bunch of utilities and common code shared among these drivers - if certain things can be done once and work everywhere, they'll land in Gallium and benefit all the drivers. Most Mesa drivers use Gallium (radeonsi, nouveau, software renderers), some don't (intel after gma950). Displaying 2D windows supports device-specific 2D drivers as well, but nowadays most of these are no longer needed as the modesetting can handle most hardware on its own. As the DRM/DRI got some additional interfaces for what used to be hardware-specific (setting resolutions, refresh rates, etc) and software requiring accelerated 2D drawing was optimized OpenGL-based renderers, dedicated 2D acceleration is slowly going away. Since around 2012, the 3D part of the graphics card deals with 2D operations. Modern GPUs can also decode video!? There's VDPAU (NVIDIA & AMD GPUs) and VA-API (AMD & Intel GPUs) that can also talk to the GPU exposed via DRM/DRI and issue proper commands to decode/encode a given video stream. Those drivers are GPU-specific too. So let's say you have some example GPUs, here's how example stacks could look like: * AMD Radeon HD8750: amdgpu -> DRM/DRI -> Mesa (radeonsi) * AMD Radeon HD4850: radeon kernel driver -> DRM/DRI -> Mesa (r600g) -> games/apps/etc. * NVIDIA GeForce 460: nouveau kernel driver -> DRM/DRI -> Mesa (nouveau) -> games/apps. * Intel GMA950: i915 kernel driver -> DRM/DRI -> Mesa (i945) -> games/apps. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="15%" | Description ! width="15%" | Analog Output ! width="15%" | Digital Output ! width="15%" | Laptop LCD ! width=30%" | Comments |- | <!--Description-->Fudomi GC888A | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->1080p 100in throw projector |- | <!--Description-->Vamvo VF320 (720P) | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->720p 90in |- | <!--Description-->Happrun H1 | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->1080p 90in |- | <!--Description-->Umbolite Magcubic HIPPUS HY320 Mini | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->720p 100in |- | <!--Description-->Zentality A10 Plus | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->720p 110in |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->nexigo nova mini | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->nebula mars 3 | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->epson lifestudio flex plus portable projector | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->dangbei freedo | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->benq gv50 | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} Unless your computer uses a Firewire chipset manufactured by Texas Instruments, FireWire interfaces are likely to act buggy. AROS is unlikely to ever support FireWire. Bluetooth is similarly unlikely to be ever supported due to huge cost to be certified. No, x86 PCMCIA card.resource at the moment. Writing card.resource would be a similar amount of work to writing a typical driver. However, it might be complicated by having to support a variety of PCMCIA-controller chipsets like TI PCI1225, PCI1410, PCI1420, 1450, PCIxx12 and O2, etc. m68k card.resource does not really have many higher level functions, most functions are really simple or poke Gayle registers directly. only exception is CopyTuple(). Amiga card.resource has one significant flaw: it's single-unit. would need card.resource and pccard.library. There was talk in the past of designing a new API for PCMCIA because card.resource only supports one slot, but since most modern laptops only have one slot anyway, I think it might be worthwhile to implement card.resource as-is (at least as a first step). pccard.library would be trivial to port. So, a new API is needed. 4pyuxa2jnj2bad7mj3igxo9rd5if4hu 4654293 4654292 2026-07-13T11:20:57Z Jeff1138 301139 4654293 wikitext text/x-wiki Google translation into [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=de&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki%2FAros%2FPlatforms%2Fx86_support German], [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=fr&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki%2FAros%2FPlatforms%2Fx86_support French], [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=nl&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki%2FAros%2FPlatforms%2Fx86_support Dutch], [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=it&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki%2FAros%2FPlatforms%2Fx86_support Italian], [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=es&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki%2FAros%2FPlatforms%2Fx86_support Spanish], [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=hi&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki%2FAros%2FPlatforms%2Fx86_support Hindi], [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=zh-CN&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki%2FAros%2FPlatforms%2Fx86_support Chinese Simplified], [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=pl&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki%2FAros%2FPlatforms%2Fx86_support Polish], [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=ru&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki%2FAros%2FPlatforms%2Fx86_support Russian], {{ArosNav}} [[#Audio Chipsets]] [[#Graphic GFX Chipsets]] [[#Rough gfx comparison]] [[#]] ==x86 Native Environment== AROS should run on almost any i386 PC hardware so long as the CPU is newer than an i486, and has a "Floating Point Unit (FPU)". Ideally around 700Mhz and above with at least 256MB of memory is recommended for desktops and around 1GHz and at least 256MB for laptops/notebooks/netbooks. For web browsing, etc above 1GB is usually needed and offers the option to run web browsers, media players and other hard disk heavy usage from RAM: disk. Motherboards supported * Most Intel mobos are supported but additional pci / pci-e cards may be needed for networking, audio, etc * AMD based socket ryzen based systems work but additional pci / pci-e cards may be needed Supported graphics cards (gfx) * Nvidia 2D and 3D 2005-2015 64bit AROS Nouveau covers '''2D''' 8xxxgs and higher to GTX 9xx and '''3D''' from 8xxxGS to GTX9xx 32bit AROS supports '''2D''' from TNT to fermi gtx5xx and '''3D''' acceleration fx5xxx to gtx4xx * Intel GMA 2D and 3D 2006-2009 '''2D''' for many old netbooks and motherboards. '''3D''' for many early netbooks and motherboards * AMD/ATI 2D only and '''no 3D'''. 1999-2004 Desktop ie external monitor support only (no laptop internal support) for very early Radeon 7000 through to x600 * VESA 2D fallback modes for all graphic cards (GPUs) and with [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKCHZFYj9Kk screen dragging]. It's worth noting however that support isn't guaranteed. Nor will potential power of a card reflect its performance under AROS. Sound wise there are * HDaudio support for onboard intel and AMD netbooks, ultrabooks, notebooks and motherboards (2005 to 2020) * some AC97 codec support for very old motherboards and laptops (ie pre 2004) * PCI and some PCI-E C-Media CMI8738 for desktop plugin cards * PCI Creative Soundblaster EMU10K1 cards [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2512 SBLive] * PCI semi professional some early VIA Envy24 desktop sound cards * PCI Sound Blaster 128 aka SB16 Supported [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aros/Platforms/x86_Network_support network] which could be desktop, laptop, etc * PCI-E Realtek rtl8169 1GbE which also includes the rtl8111 and rtl8110 (2011 to 2025) * PCI Realtek rtl8139 and includes rtl8101 and rtl8100 (2005 to 2009) * PCI intel e1000 (2006 to 2009) * PCI intel pro100 (2002 to 2005) * Broadcom 44xx 10/100 integrated in laptops around 2005 * VIA 10/100 (1999 to 2002) * 3com Etherlink 10/100 * Realtek rtl8029 10mbit Wireless wifi * atheros 5000 wireless *realtek 8187 usb It is very hard to recommend a completely supported motherboard because as soon as newer motherboards arrive so their features change subtly, often introducing non supported parts like ethernet and audio. It is a moving target. * mini-itx motherboard will only get you 1 pci or pci-e slot * micro mATX or uATX will have more, typically 2 pci-e or pci slots which helps if any onboard features are not supported. * full atx will have more slots available '''N.B''' It is frustrating when a piece of hardware is not supported. Hardware documentation can run to over 100 pages and a lot of hardware do not have any public documentation anyway. Chips from different manufacturers for sound, graphics, SATA, etc. vary just as much, unless they follow a standard such as [https://github.com/acidanthera/AppleALC/wiki/Supported-codecs HDAudio codecs], AHCI etc. Coding drivers is a far cry from Hello World programs or even a port of existing software. If you do actually want to try then get a hold of documentation on the relevant hardware and start there. Alternatively you could try to find some '''BSD''', MIT or MPL licence drivers as a point of reference. Please , do not think you can just adapt strings in a driver for different strings, it does not work that way. You will '''need''' to start from scratch for each new bit of hardware. Device driver programming require '''embedded''' skills, like manipulation of bits within registers, good debugging skills, dealing with interrupts, lots of patience, etc. The following specific chipsets and drivers are also available - use Tools/PCITool to confirm Vendor and Product IDs - Please let us know any mistakes or any information to be added, to this General Chat list on [https://arosworld.org/ AROS World] : Brief Timeline : 2000-12-06 HIDD first mouse.hidd completed ([http://msaros.blogspot.com/ Michal Schulz]) : 2001-03-31 BOOT first boot from floppy disk with IDE device : 2001-10-30 BOOT first cd bootable version : 2002-01-27 HIDD first pci.hidd added (Michal Schulz) : 2002-04-13 BOOT software HDToolBox added () : 2003-04-03 HIDD vesa2.hidd graphic modes added () : 2004-03-08 HIDD new pci and ata (pata) devices worked on (Michal Schulz) : 2004-03-17 HIDD nVidia 2D driver appears (Michal Schulz) : 2005-01-05 AHI AHI v6 audio system ported (Martin Blom) : 2005-01-06 AHI SBLive SoundBlaster Live driver ported (Georg Steger) : 2005-02-04 AHI AC97 playback only driver added (Michal Schulz) : 2005-06-27 NIC amiTCP stack ported with 3com, NE2000, prism2 drivers (Neil Cafferkey) : 2005-08-25 NIC nForce2 support added (Michal Schulz) : 2005-12-24 NIC Intel Pro100 network driver added (Neil Cafferkey) : 2006-03-25 HIDD ATI radeon 2D driver added (Michal Schulz) : 2007-03-06 HIDD vesa 1.0 video driver added (Pavel Fedin) : 2007-03-08 HIDD dospackets and FAT filesystem (Rob Norris) : 2007-03-21 HIDD usb initial commit (Michal Schulz) : 2007-10-01 BOOT Installer added (Neil Cafferkey) : 2007-11-29 PORT 64bit x86 added (Michal Schulz) : 2008-04-12 BOOT GRUB2 added (Alain Greppin and Nick Andrews) : 2008-08-26 NIC RTL8139 added ([http://kalamatee.blogspot.com/ Nick Andrews]) : 2008-10-22 PORT to SAM440ep (ppc) (Michal Schulz) : 2009-02-25 PORT to efika (ppc) (Michal Schulz) : 2009-05-18 HIDD poseidon usb2.0 stack ported to AROS (Chris Hodges) : 2009-11-18 NIC RTL8169 network driver arrived (Nick Andrews and [http://pagesperso-orange.fr/franck.charlet/oldnews.html Franck Charlet]) : 2009-12-23 AHI HDAudio based Atom CPU and netbook audio driver arrived (Davy Wentzler) : 2010-03-09 BOOT USB pendrive stick booting available (Neil Cafferkey) : 2010-05-26 HIDD Intel GMA900 2D graphics card support (Michal Schulz) : 2010-09-03 NIC Wireless PCI based NIC arrived (Neil Cafferkey) : 2011-04-30 HIDD Nvidia 2D and 3D nouveau graphics card support for Aros 32bit (Deadwood) : 2011-08-30 HIDD Radeon 2D enhanced AMD driver arrives (Bearsoft) : 2011-09-17 NIC Wireless USB realtek arrives (Neil Cafferkey) : 2011-12-09 HIDD Intel 945G 3D Gallium graphics support (Sami) : 2013-02-25 AHI AC97 VIA 686 audio support (Davy Wentzler and Neil Cafferkey) : 2013-03-31 PORT early Raspberry PI native support (Nik Andrews) : 2014-01-16 AHI Envy24 audio chipset support (Davy Wentzler and Neil Cafferkey) : 2017-02-17 PORT Symmetric MultiProcessing smp added for x86 64bit (Michal Schulz) : 2018-10-20 PORT Big Endian ARM : 2021-11-26 NIC Broadcom 44xx ethernet (Neil Cafferkey) : 2023-01-12 NIC Nvidia MCP61 ethernet (Neil Cafferkey) : 2025-11-23 HIDD xHCI USB3 and isoc (Nik Andrews) : 2026-07-25 HIDD Nouveau nvidia for Aros 64bit (Deadwood) [[#top|...to the top]] ===Audio Chipsets=== '''If sound beeps in AHI prefs after Music set then some support is there. Select more than one channel for multiple audio streams, set frequency up to 44 kHz or higher and set the volume if not already set. Ensure you set the music unit 0 to 3 which allows the extra features of the audio card like microphone, line-out, etc).''' ====1996-2000 sb128.audio aka SB16 PCI==== *2021 5.27 as per CREATIVE's website, the model number is the first two digits on the front and first two digits on the back. my card says CT4810 and 161TK110B 995; this translates to CT4816 as the model. The original AudioPCI 3000 card with the ES1370 had a master clock crystal for 44.1 kHz (22.5792 MHz), used an AKM codec (AK4531, non-AC97) and had 4 channel output; Creative later modified the design with a crystal for 48 kHz (24.576 MHz) and Sigmatel AC97 codec (a CT4700 SB128 with a CT5507 chip, AK4531, 22.5792 MHz crystal and TDA7360 speaker power amp). The issue with these cards involved never quite eliminate the effects of resampling on the 64V, it also shows signs of undersized coupling caps. These Ensoniq cards automatically engaged headphone amplifier (with a 4565 opamp). Porting involved [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/b60abd12967144a844980c422ea9e99c056eabca 40897], [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/b7d6511fca6430a63fbaaa390b4f51bf0203a460 40898 configure], [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/f51034cd22759a4ec3a2547bddb3a7169d956eaa 40900 bugs], [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/4f43fc38e3489ea45d12b7b5ba6fff50b69c5746 40901 further bugs], [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/d23c78aec75f049484b6916d27b6804ce858bb2c 40913 memory IO fixes], [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/d256860fe3035016952e88d143c6f2611997f2f3 40914 irq fix]. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Description ! width="10%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Playback ! width="10%" |Recording ! width="35%" |Comments |- | Ensoniq AudioPCI 1000 | 0x1274 | 0x5000 | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested - es1370 (u?) AK4531 (u?) |- | Ensoniq AudioPCI | 0x1274 | 0x5000 | 0x00 | {{yes}} | {{maybe}} | |- | CT4700 Sound Blaster PCI 64 (audioPCI 3000) | 0x1274 | 0x5000 | 0x7c | {{yes}} | {{maybe}} | works - opamp JRC4565(u?) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ensoniq_ES1370 es1370] (u?) |- | CT4750 Sound Blaster 64/PCI | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested - 4565-1056W (u1) stac9708t(u2) [http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=916891 ct5880-dcq] (u3) 24wc012 (u4) |- | CT4751 (SB128PCI) | 0x1274 | 0x8001 | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_Blaster#Ensoniq_AudioPCI-based_cards es1371] (u?) |- | CT4810 Creative AudioPCI64V | 0x1274 | 0x1371 | 0x06 | {{yes}} | {{maybe}} | works |- | CT4811 (SB Vibra 128) | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested |- | CT4812 (Vibra 128) | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested |- | CT4813 | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested |- | CT4815 | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested |- | CT4816 es1373 (vibra 128) | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested but this card has creative's ES1373 as the main chip(U1). it is also different from the other CT4810 (vibra128) in that it does not have a second chip in U2 position. Also there is only one jumper JP1 (2X3). |- | CT5801 HP | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested - es1373 (u3) |- | CT5803 Gateway | 0x1274 | 0x1371 | 0x08 | {{yes}} | {{maybe}} | works 4565-0005b jrc (u1) 4297a-jq ztae0c0002 (u2) es1373 (u3) |- | CT4740 | 0x1274 | 0x1371 | 0x08 | {{yes}} | {{yes}} | |- | CT5805 Compaq OEM Premier Sound Presario 7 | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested - es1373 (u3) |- | CT5806 (Sound Blaster AudioPCI 128D) | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested - 4297A-JO EP (u?) ZTAPWC9933 (u2) es1373 (u3) |- | CT5807 Dell OEM Dimension 8100 | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested - es1373 (u?) |- | CT5808 | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested |- | CT4730 Sound Blaster AudioPCI 64V Ectiva EV1938 | 0x1102 | 0x8938 | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested |- | CT5880 on various motherboards | 0x1274 | 0x5880 | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested [http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mainboards/display/ga-6rx.html Gigabyte GA-6RX] (VIA ApolloPro 266 2001], Gigabyte GA-6VM7-4E mobo, [http://active-hardware.com/english/reviews/mainboard/ga-7vtx.htm Gigabyte GA-7VTX] (KT266 2001), Gigabyte [http://www.amdboard.com/gigabytega7vtxh.html GA-7VTXH] (KT266A 2001), [http://www.amdboard.com/gigabytega7vrxp.html Gigabyte 7VRXP] mobo (KT333 2002), MSI MS-6309, MS-6318, MS-6337 (815E Pro), MS-6339 (850Pro) and MS-6340, PCChips Motherboard M571 TXPRO, Soltek SL-65ME+, |- | VMware Virtual Workstation(TM) | 0x1274 | 0x1371 | 0x02 | {{Yes|but not Hi-Fi modes}} | {{maybe}} | works |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} <pre> Revision 0x04 = ES1371 REV_ES1373_A Revision 0x06 = ES1371 REV_ES1373_B Revision 0x07 = ES1371 REV_CT5880_A Revision 0x02 = CT5880 REV_CT5880_C Revision 0x03 = CT5880 REV_CT5880_D Revision 0x04 = CT5880 REV_CT5880_E Revision 0x09 = ES1371 REV_ES1371_B Revision 0x00 = EV1938 REV_EV1938_A Revision 0x08 = ES1371 REV_ES1373_8 </pre> ====1999-2001 via-ac97.audio==== *2021 5.10 {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Description ! width="10%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Playback ! width="10%" |Recording ! width="35%" |Comments |- | <!--Description-->694X with 686A KT133 PM133 or 693A with VT8231 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1106 | <!--Product ID-->0x3058 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes| }} redirects earphones correctly | <!--Recording-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Comments-->audio controller works but depends on the underlying invisible codec used see AC97 section |- | <!--Description-->686B KT133A with VT8231 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1106 | <!--Product ID-->0x3058 | <!--Revision-->0x50 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes|}} reroutes ear pieces right | <!--Recording-->{{Yes|}} | <!--Comments-->audio controller works but depends on the underlying codec used see AC97 section below |- | <!--Description-->686C | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1106 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->KM266 or KT266 with VT8233, KT266A with VT8233A, VT8233C | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1106 | <!--Product ID-->0x3059 | <!--Revision-->0x10 | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->KM333 KT333 with VT8235 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1106 | <!--Product ID-->0x3059 | <!--Revision-->0x30 | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->KM400 KT400 with VT8237, KT600 with VT8237R, | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1106 | <!--Product ID-->0x3059 | <!--Revision-->0x40 0x50 0x60 | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====1998-2003 emu10kx.audio - Creative Labs SoundBlaster Live! and Audigy==== *2021 6.5 {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Description ! width="10%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Playback ! width="10%" |Recording ! width="35%" |Comments |- | PCI512 CT4790 (emu10k1) | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x0 | <!--Playback--> {{unk}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | untested (1st Gen) |- | Live CT4620 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x0 | <!--Playback--> {{unk}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | untested |- | Live CT4760 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x07 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | playback works |- | Live Value CT4670 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x0 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | works plays stereo (2nd Gen) |- | Live Value DELL CT4780 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x06 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | plays/records stereo - untested 4.1mode |- | Live Value Compaq CT4830 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x0 | <!--Playback--> {{Maybe}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | not working |- | Live Value CT4831 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x00 | <!--Playback--> {{unk}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | untested |- | Live Value CT4832 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x07 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{partial|Line-In only}} | works |- | Live Value CT4832 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x08 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{maybe}} | works |- | Live Value HP CT4870 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{maybe}} | Works |- | Live Value Gateway CT4871 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | | <!--Playback--> {{unk}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | untested |- | Live! Platinum 5.1 SB0060 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x00 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{yes}} | plays audio/records, untested 5.1 (3rd Gen) |- | Live 5.1 SB0100 -SFF | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x00 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{maybe}} | works |- | Live 5.1 Player SB0220 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x0a | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{yes}} | plays audio/records stereo, untested 5.1 |- | Live 5.1 Digital SB0228 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x0a | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{yes}} | working |- | Audigy SB0090 (emu10k2) | 0x1102 | 0x0004 | | <!--Playback--> {{unk}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | untested |- | <!--Description-->Audigy SB0230 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1102 | <!--Product ID-->0x0004 | <!--Revision-->0x03 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Yes|Mic only}} | <!--Comments-->5th Dec 2012 - untested optical tos link. contains also IEEE1394/Firewire (untested) |- | Audigy 2 Platinum 6.1 SB0240 SB0250 EMU10K2.5 | 0x1102 | 0x0004 | 0x04 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{maybe}} | works |- | Audigy 2 PRO SB0280 EMU10K2.5 | 0x1102 | 0x0004 | | <!--Playback--> {{unk}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | untested |- | Audigy 2 ZS SB0350 | 0x1102 | 0x0004 | 0x04 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{yes}} | |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | Live 5.1 DELL SB0200 SB0203 emu10kx | 0x1102 | 0x0006 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | |- | Live 24bit SB0410 | 0x1102 | 0x0007 | 0x | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | Live 24bit DELL SB0413 | 0x1102 | 0x0007 | 0x | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | Audigy LS SB0310 | 0x1102 | 0x0007 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | Audigy SE 7.1 SB0570 | 0x1102 | 0x0007 | | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | Audigy 2 ZS SB0320 SB0360 (PRO) | 0x1102 | 0x0008 | | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | Audigy 2 VALUE SB0400 | 0x1102 | 0x0008 | | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | Audigy 4 VALUE SB0610 | 0x1102 | 0x0008 | | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | Audigy 4 PRO SB0380 | 0x1102 | 0x0008 | | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | EMU E-MU 0404 PCI (not USB) EM8852 | 0x1102 | 0x000 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver but linux support needs firmware |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} the green jack is for the main speaker pair AND headphones, so manual switching will be required If your card is wired for the "AC97" standard, then it's up to your headphone jack to switch the green speaker output in and out the headphone jack has Normally-closed contacts that will open on insertion, which breaks the signal path back to the sound card (FP_RETURN) ====2000-2010 cmi8738.audio - C-Media==== *2021 5.20 ;Read [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2512 more] and imported on [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/aff741d60160c6a9d7d39c9e004a25ea3aa13847 20th July 2011] and [http://alsa.opensrc.org/Cmipci alsa docs]. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Description ! width="10%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Playback ! width="10%" |Recording ! width="35%" |Comments |- | Audiotrak MAYA EX5 | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | cmi8738-sx 4ch | 0x13f6 | 0x0111 | 0x10 | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | e3dx hsp56 CMedia 8738-sx 4ch | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | EDio SC3000D 6ch | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Genius SoundMaker Value PCI C3DX | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Guillemot Maxi Sound Muse | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Hercules Gamesurround Muse LT | 0x13f6 | 0x0111 | 0x10 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{no}} | |- | Hercules Gamesurround Muse XL LT 5.1 | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Inno audio extreme 5.1 cmi8738/lx pci 6ch | 0x13f6 | 0x0111 | 0x | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | M-Audio (Midiman) DiO 2448 | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Sabrent SBT-SP6C 6ch | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | StarTech PCISOUND4CH 8738sx 4ch | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Sweex SC012 CMI8738-lx 4ch | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Terratec 5.1 PCI | 0x13f6 | 0x0111 | 0x10 | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Terratec Aureon Fun 5.1 | | | | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | Has SPDIF |- | Trust Sound Expert Digital Surround 5.1 (cm8738-mx 6ch) | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Turtle Beach Riviera CMI8738-MX 6ch | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | XSonic CMI 8738 6ch | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->CMI8738 6ch PCI-E PCI Express version | <!--Vendor ID-->0x13f6 | <!--Product ID-->0x0111 | <!--Revision-->0x10 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes|}} | <!--Recording-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--Comments-->Chinese based card with playback tested so far |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====2001-2005 ac97.audio==== *6.4 27-12-2008 The AC97 chips were designed to be pinout interchangeable so that the sound support could change easily and quickly without motherboard redesigns the green jack is for the main speaker pair AND headphones, so manual switching will be required If your card is wired for the "AC97" standard, then it's up to your headphone jack to switch the green speaker output in and out, the headphone jack has Normally-closed contacts that will open on insertion, which breaks the signal path back to the sound card (FP_RETURN) The ProductID and VendorID are for the audio controller only - the important additional codec is '''NOT''' so easily identified. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Description ! width="10%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Playback ! width="10%" |Recording ! width="35%" |Comments |- | <!--Description-->Avance Logic (now Realtek) ALC100 and ALC101 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->ALC200 and ALC201 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->ALC201A and ALC202 and ALC202A codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->ALC650 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->most Nforce2 boards plays audio only - Abit NF7, Asus A7N8X, MSI K7N2, Epox 8RDA+, DFI |- | <!--Description-->ALC850 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->no support for via P4P800 chipset on ASUS A8V-E SE Deluxe mobo - ICaros 1.3 |- | <!--Description-->Realtek ALC653 codec and ALC655 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested Acorp 7NFU400 |- | <!--Description-->Realtek ALC658 codec ALC658D | <!--Vendor ID-->0x8080 | <!--Product ID-->0x24c5 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes|Prefs Music and Units 0-3 set volume control - playback}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->MSI Motherboard on NB 22-09-2012 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->AD1881 SoundMAX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments-->Analog Devices first AC97 |- | <!--Description-->AD1881A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Yes}} | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments-->works with VIA Controller - untested Intel etc |- | <!--Description-->AD1881B | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->AD1885 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->Playback only with issues on D845HV but not working on MS-6367 because Units 0-3 have masked volume control |- | <!--Description-->AD1886 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->AD1887 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ADI AD1888 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments--> Icaros 1.51 |- | <!--Description-->AD1980 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->AD1981A codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested IBM X30 |- | <!--Description-->Analog Devices SoundMax(TM) AD1981B codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->plays back only on IBM T41 Thinkpad |- | <!--Description-->AD1985 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->not working ahi prefs freezes on D865GLC mobo ([http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/multimedia/display/int-sound2_3.html ] |- | <!--Description-->AD1986 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested [http://uk.ts.fujitsu.com/rl/servicesupport/techsupport/Boards/Motherboards/Fujitsu/D1931/D1931.htm D1931] but works (Acer Aspire 3610 laptop) |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->Crystal Semiconductors CS4205, CS4202 codecs | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Cirrus Logic CrystalWare 4236 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Cirrus Logic CrystalClear SoundFusion CS4297 CS4299 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested IBM T23 |- | <!--Description-->conexant Cx20468-31 codec (id 30) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x103c | <!--Product ID-->0x3085 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No|AC97 appears in AHI Prefs}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->Tested AspireOS 1.8 on Gateway W322 |- | <!--Description-->ESS Technology ES1921 AC'97 2.1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->CMI 6501 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested on ASROCK SKT-AM2 AM2NF3-VSTA |- | <!--Description-->codec CMI9738 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->codec CMI9739 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->C-Media CMI 9739A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments--> untested on EPoX 8RDA3+ |- | <!--Description-->CMedia CMI 9761A codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested ASRocK K7NF2-RAID |- | <!--Description-->C-Media CMI9880 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->National Semi conductor (now TI) LM4540, LM4543, LM4545, LM4546, LM4548, LM4549, LM4550 LM4560 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->STAC9708T codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->SigmaTel (now IDT) C-Major STAC 9460 (D/A only), 9461, 9462, 9463, 9200, 9202, 9250, 9251, 9220, 9221, 9223, 9750 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->AKM (Asahi Kasei Microsystems) AK 4540, 4543, 4544A, 4545 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->codec VT1616 (VIA Six-TRAC Vinyl Audio) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->VIA VT1612, VT82C686 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ESStech ESS ES1968 maestro-2 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x125d | <!--Product ID-->0x1968 | <!--Revision-->0x | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ESStech ESS ES1978 maestro2e | <!--Vendor ID-->0x125d | <!--Product ID-->0x1978 | <!--Revision-->0x | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ESStech ESS ES1988 maestro3 allegro-1 codec | <!--Vendor ID-->0x125d | <!--Product ID-->0x1988 | <!--Revision-->0x12 | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Yamaha AC97 ymf-743 YMF752 YMF753 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested ymf-753 |- | <!--Description-->YMF724 YMF744 YMF-754 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | SIS 7018 / Trident 4dwave DX/NX / ALi 5451 | 0x1039 (0x1023 Trident) | 0x7018 (0x2000 Trident DX) (0x2001 Trident NX) | 0x02 | <!--Playback-->{{No}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | no support - introduced early 2000s |- | SIS 7012 | 0x1039 | 0x7012 | | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | working through 1 speaker only took over from SIS7018 (2002 onwards) |- | <!--Description-->Wolfson (now Cirrus Logic) WM9701, WM9701A (AC'97 1.03 spec), WM9703, WM9704 (AC'97 2.1), WM9705, WM9706, WM9707, WM9708 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->WM9709, WM9710, WM9711, WM9712, WM971 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments-->first Microsoft(TM) Xbox DAC sound chip (AC Link compliant D/A converter) |- | <!--Description-->Wolfson WM9717 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | Parallels | | | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | untested |- | VirtualBox | | | | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | working |- | VirtualPC | | | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | untested |- | <!--Description-->Intel 82801AA Proxmox | <!--Vendor ID-->0x8086 | <!--Product ID-->0x | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====2005-20xx HDAUDIO.audio==== *6.36 2025 [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/43b33a9280b10963ca659de2cc3d1cf289b43a87 reset handler] *6.35 202 [] *6.34 2019 AROS One 1.5 upwards *6.29 2018 *6.27 2017 update *6.25 2014 used for most Icaros 2.x *6.20 July 2012 *6.17 Nov 2011 *6.15 Jun 2011 *[http://www.clusteruk.com/SitePortalPage.aspx?siteid=1&did=109 6.13] Sep 2010 {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="5%" |Product ID ! width="5%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Playback ! width="10%" |Recording ! width="35%" |Comments |- | <!--Description-->ALC260 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC262 * ALC262-VD2-GR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->LQFP-48 |- | ALC268 codec | 0x | 0x | 0x | <!--Playback-->{{Yes|Version 6.17 Acer AOA110 and AOA150 netbooks), works (Dell Mini Inspiron 9 and 10v, }} | <!--Recording-->{{Yes|Version 6.17 remove QUERY and select 'Mic 1' as input. Tested with 6.15 as well using QuickRecord and AE 4.0.23 under Icaros 1.4.}} | <!--Comments-->AHI UNITS and Music are set to: hdaudio:HiFi 16 bit stereo++ / Frequency 48000 Hz, Volume +0.0 dB. The hdaudio.config in SYS:Prefs/Env-Archive is WITHOUT the QUERY-line. After changing and saving the config-file turn off and start again the computer. Switch from internal loudspeaker to headphone you must turn off the music before plug in the headphone-cable, otherwise there is no output on the socket. Back from line-out to internal speakers it is the same. |- | [http://blog.foool.net/wp-content/uploads/linuxdocs/sound.pdf Linux docs ALC269] * ALC269Q-GR * ALC269QSRS-GR * ALC269W-GR | 0x | 0x | 0x | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->TQFP 48 pin Power IC Chip From [https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/alsa-devel/patch/1408118123-15849-1-git-send-email-tiwai@suse.de/ ALC269 & co have many vendor-specific setups with COEF verbs, result in the codec stalling] |- | [http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=0321f8479fd670cd510f9912b1120fe7edcf2e07 ALC269VB] * ALC269Q-VB5-GR * ALC269Q-VB6-CG * ALC269Q-VB6-GR | 0x10ec | 0x0269 | 0x100004, 0x100100, 0x100202 | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe|some versions work}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> * v1 works Asus eee PC netbook 901/1000HA 1005HA/1008HA, 1001P, * v2 maybe working Lenovo S9 S10 S10-2 S10-3 under HDAudio version 6.13 * v3 maybe dell wyse 7010 |- | [http://alsa-project.org/db/?f=9c1746c5957b0ce72ff9cfffa312e97d14baf785 ALC269VC aka ALC3202] * ALC269Q-VC2-GR * ALC269Q-VC3-GR | 0x10ec | 0x0269 | 0x100203, | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe|some versions work}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->SMT SMD QFN-48 - * v1 unknown * v2 unknown * v3 x230, dell wyse, |- | ALC272 * ALC272-VA4-GR | 0x10ec | 0x0272 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | * works Acer AOD150 and Acer AOD250 works [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33755&forum=28#616910 Samsung NP-NC10], works Samsung NF210-A02] netbooks, |- | <!--Description-->ALC273 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC270 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC282 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1002 | <!--Product ID-->0x | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No|Version 6.17}} | <!--Recording-->{{No|Version 6.17}} | <!--Comments-->needs retest |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC660 ALC660-VD | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> * works asus F9s, F9e * untested asus w7j, M51SN, A6Tc, A8Sr, |- | <!--Description-->ALC661-GR (2011) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | ALC662 | 0x1043 | 0x82a1 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes|Version 6.17 if QUERY added to top of hdaudio.config}} | <!--Recording-->{{No|Version 6.17 not working for eee pc 900}} | * works Asus eee PC netbook 700/701/900, Atom 270 and 330 mobos, odd clicks (D410 NM10 PineTrail), |- | <!--Description-->[http://outpost.fr/rmaa/ALC663.htm ALC663] | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10ec | <!--Product ID-->0x0861 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No|Version 6.13}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->not bad output like headphone amp part of the codec actually works well but messed up by undersized coupling capacitors to actually support such a low impedance * not working Asus n50vn x71vn, |- | <!--Description-->ALC665 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC666 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC667 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC668 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC670 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->ALC880 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->some 915 and 925 chipset mobos |- | <!--Description-->ALC882M | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | Realtek ALC883 ALC883-GR ALC883D-GR ALC883DTS-GR ALC883DD-GR codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe|some early versions work }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk| }} | 2005 to 2007 HD Audio codec untested (Asus ), |- | Codec ALC885 | 0x10ec | 0x0885 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | ALC888 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | ALC888s * ALC888S-VD2-GR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} MSI Wind U90/U100, | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | LQFP-48 |- | ALC888b | 0x8086 | 0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | untested (D510 NM10 Dual Core PineTrail mobo), |- | ALC888-VD | 0x8086 | 0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | untested |- | ALC889A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes|works if QUERY added to the top of hdaudio.config in Prefs drawer/directory}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | ALC889 Gr | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} with crackles | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | ALC889 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | Tested with MSI H55 board |- | ALC887 ALC887-GR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | * working on ASUS P5KPL/EPU and Gigabyte GA-E350N-Win8 Rev1.0 |- | ALC887-VD-CG | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10ec | <!--Product ID-->0x0887 | <!--Revision-->0x100302 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} Subsystem Id: 0x1458a002 | |- | ALC887-VD | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10ec | <!--Product ID-->0x0887 0x1458 | <!--Revision-->0xa002 | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} index = 2 | ALC887 does not have any volume control ability on the mixer NIDs, so put the volume controls on the dac NIDs instead * working with intermittent corrupting pop popping skipping stuttering sound issues MSI 760GM-P23 (FX), * not working Gigabyte H61MA-D3V, AT3IONT-I Deluxe, |- | ALC887-VD2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | 3jacks |- | ALC887-VD2-GR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | ALC887- | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | ALC892-CG rev | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk| }} | 2011 48-pin LQFP Green package - |- | ALC892 ALC892-DTS-CG rev | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | 2009 introduced * works * not working * untested |- | ALC892 rev | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0x10ec | <!--Product ID-->0x0892 | <!--Revision-->0x100302 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk| }} | 2014 |- | Realtek ALC886-GR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk| }} | LQFP-48 |- | Codec ALC861 ALC861-VD | 0x10ec | <!--Product ID-->0x0663 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | * not working Toshiba Tecra A7 |- | <!--Description-->ALC1200 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | ALC898 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | not working |- | <!--Description-->ALC1500 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC aka ALC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC3232 (aka ALC292) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10ec | <!--Product ID-->0x0292 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC aka ALC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC3234 aka ALC255 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10ec | <!--Product ID-->0x0255 | <!--Revision-->003 | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC aka ALC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC3287 aka ALC257 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{yes| }} | <!--Recording-->{{no| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC aka ALC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC aka ALC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->AD1882 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->AD1883 HD Codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->AD1884 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Analog Devices SoundMAX AD1981 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0 | <!--Product ID-->0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | IBM Thinkpad T60, |- | AD1984 hp-m4 codec | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0 | <!--Product ID-->0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{No}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | * audio not working on Lenovo X61, Thinkpad T61, |- | AD1986 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0 | <!--Product ID-->0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | AD1988 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0 | <!--Product ID-->0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{No}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | <!--Description-->AD1988A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->Cirrus Logic CS4207 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0 | <!--Product ID-->0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | |- | <!--Description-->Cirrus Logic CS4208 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0 | <!--Product ID-->0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20549 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe|very very very low volume}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested Fujitsu Amilo SI 1510 1520 no datasheet for the general public |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20549-12Z codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested HP 530 |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20561 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> * working lenovo x200s * untested Lenovo Essential G555 Notebook, HP Pavilion dv6700, |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20582 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX2059x CX20590 CX20594-21Z codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20585 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> * working Lenovo Thinkpad T410, |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20672 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20671 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20751-21Z codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{yes| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX11852 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX11880 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Conexant after 2015 up to 2018 CX7501 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no|no driver codec}} | <!--Recording-->{{no|no driver codec}} | <!--Comments-->Conexant bought by synaptics 2019 |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->C-Media CMI9880 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->Gigabyte GA-8GPNXP |- | <!--Description-->Silicon Labs 3054 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | VIA 1708A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | untested, |- | VIA VT1708B | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | 0x0010 | <!--Playback-->{{No|VIA PicoITX}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | VIA 1708S | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | <!--Description-->VT2021 10ch | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments-->Gigabyte Z77MX-D3H, GA-H61M-S2H‎ S2P, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Creative CA0110-IBG | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->SigmaTel STAC 9220 9221 9223 8ch (7+1) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->ECS 945GCT/M-1333 (version 3.0), |- | IDT SigmaTec [http://explorer.cekli.com/articles/pdf/hd-audio STAC9227] /28/29/30 codec | <!--Vendor ID-->0x8384 | <!--Product ID-->0x7626 | <!--Revision-->0x0002 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | * works HP Compaq mini 110 * untested HP Pavilion HDX9000 CTO Notebook, Intel DG33TL mobo, Dell E520, Intel DP35DP mobo, Dell E6410 Laptop, |- | IDT (formerly SigmaTel) IDC STAC 9271/71D | <!--Vendor ID-->0x8384 | <!--Product ID-->0x7626 | <!--Revision-->0x0002 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | <!--Description-->IDC STAC 9272 9273 9274 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments-->Intel D5400XS, |- | <!--Description-->IDT 92HD73C | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{yes}} | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments-->headphones only Asus AT4NM10 mobo |- | <!--Description-->IDT 92HD75B | <!--Vendor ID-->0x111d | <!--Product ID-->0x7608 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> * working [http://koti.kapsi.fi/jvaltane/aros/hdaudio/ HP Compaq Mini 700 Netbook - feedback required] * untested HP Mini 5103 and 5102, HP Compaq 610, HP ProBook Laptop 4520s 4525s 6450b 6550b 6555b, HP EliteBook 2540p 2740p 8440p, Mobile Workstation 8540w 8740w, Pavilion NoteBook DV8, |- | <!--Description-->IDC 92HD81XX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->IDC 92HD83XX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->IDC STAC 92HD89XX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->IDC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->IDC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->IDC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->IDC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Wolfson (now Cirrus Logic) WM8850 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Wolfson WM8860 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments-->Intel High Definition Audio Revision 1.0. - 4-Channel DAC, 4-channel ADC. - DAC sampling |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} Using Prefs/AHI ensure you set the music unit and at least Units 0 (where most audio comes from) in top left drop down menu to HDaudio - HIFI in the section below. Set Units 1 or 2 to microphone or other outputs. Plus allow more than one channel for multiple audio streams and set frequency up to 44 kHz or higher on the right hand side of the ahi prefs. If sound beeps when you press the test button then all should be OK. Output <- Codec <- Audio Controller (HDA) <-> Computer codecs and exact hardware identifier. As mentioned above, HDA is only part of the work here, it gets the audio out of the main chipset in digital format (on a bus called I2S). This is not enough, there is another step needed which is routing that I2S signal to the output, converting it to actual audio, amplifying it, etc. This is handled by a separate chip called a "codec". Sometimes it is initialized by the BIOS, but this is not always the case. Most audio drivers are made up of two parts a [http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sound/alsa/HD-Audio.txt Controller + a Codec]. The ProductID and VendorID are for the audio controller only - the important additional codec is '''NOT''' so easily identified. Some newer versions of codecs are missing at the moment. Things to try if sound not working * try to connect something to the audio jack, maybe it is not playing on internal speakers or vice versa * make sure you try and select all music units e.g. unit0, unit1.... * even if PCI ID's are in Prefs/Env-Archive/HDaudio.config, this doesn't mean it is working, it is the codec that matters * it might be internally muted <pre> add debug=memory to grub boot line - continue booting with F10 Open a shell Tools/Debug/Bifteck > RAM:audio.txt </pre> or <pre> Open a shell Tools/Debug/Sashimi > RAM:audio.txt Run ahi prefs Click test tone button Stop sashimi with Ctrl-C </pre> If the boot sound is enabled, you have to use Bifteck to capture AHI debug output. In the GRUB menu, press E on your selected entry, then add "debug=memory" to the options (alongside ATA=, vesa= etc.). Then F10 or Ctrl-X to boot. Once booted, run Tools/Debug/Bifteck again. or * try adding QUERYD to the start of ENVARC:hdaudio.config file (also known as Prefs/Env-Archive/) ie. on the first line * '''OR''' try removing QUERY and QUERYD from the start of the hdaudio.config file * Reboot * open a shell * type: sys:tools/debug/sashimi > ram:debug.txt * open ahi prefs * select one of the audio modes - HIFI or otherwise * press the 'test sound' button * press ctrl-c in the shell * post the results to Aros-World The HD Audio standard was designed to be hardware pinout interchangeable so that the sound support could change easily and quickly. HDA is a standard around particular chips. Each kind of chip has a certain number of DACs and pins, and even the same chip could be hooked up in different ways on different motherboards. The chips are programmable and the operating system can adjust how things are routed. Some pins aren’t even hooked up, so it makes no sense to route sound to them. Also some pins have sensors that can tell when something is plugged in, so that for example the speakers in a laptop can be muted when headphones are plugged in. Pins are also grouped, so for example all the outputs for a 5.1 sound system are grouped. Generally the HDA driver in the operating system is supposed to read the pin set up and figure out a reasonable way to set things up, and disconnected pins should be ignored, etc. HDAudio standard has headphones on a separate DAC, and it's up to the driver.. it can even send different audio to the headphones without interrupting the main (green) outputs ====Envy24 series ==== A little history. VIA bought the ICE created Envy chipsets [http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/audio/controllers/comparison_controller.jsp VT1712] first. A few years later, they created several cheaper variants VT1724 (mixer missing), VT1721 (low end cut down), VT1720 (embedded on motherboard) and lastly the VT1723 (no support apart from Windows Envy24DT like SYBA SD-PEX63034). There are PCI Express versions appearing. The Envy24 is the base product that was originally designed by ICEnsemble, and it supports multi-channel hardware mixing, which is great for professional use. The HT version removes the hardware mixer (unimportant for non-professional uses). The [http://www.avsforum.com/t/364771/envy24ht-s-the-definitive-source HT-S] version is almost exactly the same as the HT, it just uses cheaper DACs. The PT version is exactly the same as the HT-S version, it is just the edition used for on-board audio on motherboards. N.B. [http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec04/articles/pcnotes.htm PCI slot identification] and [http://hsi.web.cern.ch/HSI/s-link/devices/s32pci64/slottypes.html 3.3v PCI]. =====[http://www.opensound.com/readme/README.Envy24.html envy24.audio] - [http://www.anime.net/~goemon/alsa/ VT1712] ===== {| class="wikitable" ! Description ! Vendor ID ! Product ID ! Revision ! Playback ! Recording ! Comments |- | M-Audio Delta 66 - Rev B 1999 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested AK4524VF CS8404A-CS - needs Delta Series break out box with D-sub lead - |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles/maudioaudiophile/index.html Audiophile 2496] Rev A 2000 | 0x14 | 0x | | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{unk| }} | works audio out on - I2S stereo codec AKM AK4528VF with the 24bit/96kHz DAC and ADC; CS8427 digital transceiver |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles/maudioaudiophile/index.html Audiophile 2496] Rev B 2003 | 0x14 | 0x | | <!--Playback-->{{Yes }} | <!--Recording--> | works well - I2S stereo codec AKM AK4528VF with the 24bit/96kHz DAC and ADC; CS8427 digital transceiver |- | M-Audio Delta 410 - 2001 2001 REV-B | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested for D-A AK4529VQ converters with CS8427-CS 5532 1158B or Event Echo Gina 20-Bit Multitrack Interface Breakout Box - |- | M-Audio Delta 1010 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested AK5383 and AK4393 - 25 pin dsub - |- | M-Audio Delta 1010LT 1010E | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested for D-A AK4529 converters with 2 XLR Microphone inputs with pre amps * be aware of redesign in 2007 - possible issues |- | M Audio Delta 44 - Rev A 2002 - Rev B 2003 - Rev D 2003 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested ICE1712G AK4524VF needs breakout box with 15 pin D-sub lead - |- | M-Audio Delta 66 Rev E 2006 - Omni Studio | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested needs break out box with 15 pin D-sub lead - |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio Delta DiO 2496 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Terratec EWX24/96 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/terratecdmx6fire/index.html TerraTec 6fire DMX 24/96] | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1412 | <!--Product ID-->0x1712 | <!--Revision-->0x02 | <!--Playback-->{{No|tried line 1-2 3-4 5-6 7-8 }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | untested - AKM and codec |- | <!--Description-->Terratec EWSA88MT | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | [http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-multimedia/2007-March/006087.html Audiotrak Prodigy HD2] 24/96 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Audiotrak (ESI) Maya 1010 1010L | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | EMU 1212M | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | EMU 1616M | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | <!--Description-->Terratec EWS 88MT EWS 88D | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Hoontech Soundtrack DSP 24 Soundtrack DSP 24 Value Soundtrack DSP 24 Media 7.1 Event Electronics EZ8 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Digigram VX442 Lionstracs Mediastation Terrasoniq TS 88 Roland/Edirol DA-2496 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} =====envy24ht.audio - VIA VT1724===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Description ! width="10%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Playback ! width="10%" |Recording ! width="35%" |Comments |- | ESI Juli@ | 0x3031 | 0x4553 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Yes}} | reported working years ago [http://envy24.svobodno.com/ Envy24HT-S] - AKM 4358 DAC - AKM 4114/4112 DIT |- | ESI Juli@ Ego Igo rev K | 0x3031 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | AK4358? DAC - AK4114 AK4112 DIT |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/multimedia/m-audio-revolution51.html M-Audio Revolution 5.1] | 0x1412 | 0x3631 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | reported working years ago but discontinued - (Envy24GT) - 3ch AKM 4358 DAC - ADC AKM 5365 - |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/m-audio-revolution71/index.html M-Audio Revolution 7.1] 24/192 | 0x1412 | 0x3630 0x1724 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | not working - illegal semaphore - 6ch ADC AKM AK4355 24-bit 192 kHz - 2ch DAC AKM AK4381 24-bit 192 kHz - ADC AKM AK5380 |- | Terratec Aureon Sky 5.1 | 0x153b | 0x1147 | 0x | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | untested - discontinued |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/terratec-aureon71/index.html Terratec Aureon Space 7.1] | 0x153b | 0x1145 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | untested - Wolfson WM8770 DAC, AC'97 codec SigmaTel STAC9744 |- | Terratec Aureon Universe 7.1 | 0x153b | 0x1153 (rev x) 0x1724 (rev3) | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | not working - semaphore error on rev 3 - DAC ADC |- | Terratec Phase 22 | 0x153b | 0x1150 | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | untested - Envy24HT-S - AK4524 |- | Terratec Phase 28 | 0x153b | 0x1149 | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | untested - Envy24HT-S - AK4524 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Playback | Recording | Revision | Comments |- | Audiotrak (ESI) Prodigy 7.1 | 0x4933 | 0x4553 | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | no driver - Wolfson WM8770 and AC'97 SigmaTel STAC9744 codec |- | Audiotrak (ESI) Prodigy 7.1 LT | 0x3132 | 0x4154 | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | no driver - |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/sound/audiotrak-prodigy192.html Audiotrak (ESI) Prodigy 192] 24/96 | | | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | no driver - STAC9460S codec |- | <!--Description-->Echo Layla 24/96 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | [http://www.bit-tech.net/custompc/labs/80752/hercules-gamesurround-fortissimo-4.html Hercules Gamesurround Fortissimo 4] | | | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | no driver - Wolfson WM8776 Codec and WM8766 DAC |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/multimedia/m-audio-audiophile192.html M-Audio Audiophile Delta AP 192k] | 0x1412 | 0x3632 | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | no driver - Stereo ADC AKM AK5385A 24-bit 192 kHZ - 8-channel DAC AKM AK4358 24-bit 192 kHz - AKM 4114/4112 DIT |- | ONKYO SE-150PCI | 0x160b | 0x0001 | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | no driver |- | <!--Description-->ESI Waveterminal 192x | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Quartet | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments--> - AKM 4114/4112 DIT |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====hdmiaudio.audio - hdmi no support==== {| class="wikitable" ! Description ! Vendor ID ! Product ID ! Revision ! Comments |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->ATI R6xx HDMI Audio codec support output | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1002 | <!--Product ID-->0x9840 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->Not detected |- | <!--Description-->NVidia HDMI | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Intel Series 6 CougarPoint HDMI codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Intel HDMI | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |} [[#top|...to the top]] ===Graphic GFX Chipsets=== [https://gallium.readthedocs.io/en/latest/systems.html PCIe based] graphic chipset is defacto on 64bit AROS and recommended on 32bit. AGP works on 32bit but faster transfers through the AGP slot are only available on a few supported motherboard chipsets * Faster AGP Working = SIS 650 board, Intel 865pe AGP slot on MSI 6788-050, * Not Supported = NForce2 chipsets, most Intel 815/820 chipsets, VIA chipsets, ALi chipsets, The fallback for all graphics modes is vesa if any native support does not work. There is a choice of very low resolution vga as the last resort 2D tests performed with [http://download.aros3d.org/software/gfxbench.zip gfxbench] in the shell type gfxbench > out.txt (40 seconds blank screen is part of the test), via FreeDoom via limit-removing engine like odamex, chocolate or vanilla doom -timedemo demo1 or doom2 -timedemo demo1, doom.exe -iwad doom2 -file mymap.wad, Duke DNRATE 640x480 windowed 3D tests performed with Demos/Mesa/ , Cube 1080p, Cube 2 windowed not fullscreen 1920 x 1025, Quake3 ~ cl_drawFPS 1, Xonotic , [http://shinh.skr.jp/sdlbench/showtestgl.cgi test gl], HDMI, DVI and DisplayPort monitors have a native resolution of 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p and up <pre> HDMI (licensing fee) 1.2 720p res. 1.3 1080 resolution 1.4 4K @ 30Hz 2.0 4K @ 60Hz 2.1 48Gbs for 4K @ 120Hz, 8K @ , VRR, etc 2.2 ultra96 </pre> <pre> DisplayPort (VESA introduced) 1.4 4K @ 60Hz 2.1 96Gbs for 4K @ 240Hz, 8K @ 120Hz. MST daisy chain multiple monitors, </pre> <pre> GPMI chinese standard 2.0 </pre> *OpenGL4 must have 64-bit floating point FP64 math support. The last revision opengl 4.6 (2017) on [https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/AMDGPU AMDGPU] RX 5000's / 6000s ([https://forum.batocera.org/d/7491-enable-opengl-46-and-vulkan-for-an-old-radeon-video-card RDNA] and Nvidia RTX might come to AROS) but Intel UHD, Iris Plus or Xe or Arc will not unless a developer wants the challenge - [https://docs.mesa3d.org/relnotes/20.0.0.html#mesa-20-0-0-release-notes-2020-02-19 Mesa 20.0.0] implements the OpenGL 4.6 API, but the version reported by glGetString(GL_VERSION) or glGetIntegerv(GL_MAJOR_VERSION) / glGetIntegerv(GL_MINOR_VERSION) depends on the particular driver being used and may report a lower version depending on each driver. Mesa 20.0.0 implements the Vulkan 1.2 API, but the version reported by the apiVersion property of the VkPhysicalDeviceProperties struct depends on the particular driver being used. *OpenGL3 last revision 3.3 (2011) *OpenGL2 nvidia-nouveau on Aros 32bit, *OpenGL1 intel gma950 on Aros 32bit and 64bit, ====vga.hidd==== {| class="wikitable" ! Description ! Vendor ID ! Product ID ! Revision ! Comments |- | | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | Generic VGA Driver, limited to 640x480 in 16 colours - no 3D support |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====vesa.hidd==== {| class="wikitable" ! Description ! Vendor ID ! Product ID ! Revision ! Comments |- | | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | 2D support for VBE1, VBE2 and VBE3 (most cards) - various resolutions and 24bit colour - no 3D support |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} [[#top|...to the top]] ====[[w:en:Intel GMA|Intel GMA]]==== DVI output is not supported at the moment. If having problems: * Ensure the latest version is being used. * Set GMA_MEM to 128 or 256 to test * Try the FORCEGMA ToolType for 2D, and try the FORCEGALLIUM ToolType for 3D acceleration after 2D is verified to work. ToolTypes should be applied to the Devs/Monitors/IntelGMA monitor icon. If still having problems: * At GRUB boot screen edit boot line and add option: debug=memory * Boot. * Use shell command: tools/debug/bifteck > RAM:debug.txt * And post [GMA MONITOR DETECTION] and other related debug lines {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="5%" |Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="5%" |Product ID ! width="3%" |Rev ! width="5%" |2D ! width="5%" |3D ! width="5%" |Analog Output ! width="5%" |Digital Output ! width="5%" |Laptop LCD ! width="30%" |Comments |- | 910GL 82910GL GMCH + ICH6 | 0x8086 | 0x2582 0x2592 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Unk}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | 910GML 82910 GML GMCH + ICH6 Mobile | 0x8086 | 0x2582 0x2592 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Unk}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | may need to add forceGMA to grub boot line to work |- | 915G 82915G GMCH + ICH6-M | 0x8086 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Unk}} | <!--3D-->{{Unk}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | |- | 915GL 82915GL GMCH | 0x8086 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Unk}} | <!--3D-->{{Unk}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | |- | 915GV 82915GV GMCH | 0x8086 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | HP DC5100 small form factor |- | 915GM GMA900 | 0x8086 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> {{Yes| }} | <!--3D--> {{Unk| tunnel gearbox }} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Yes}} | asus eee pc 900 |- | 915GMS | 0x8086 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> {{Yes| }} | <!--3D--> {{Unk| tunnel }} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Yes| }} | |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | [http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Graphics-Media-Accelerator-950.2177.0.html 945GU] - 133 MHz (Lake port for Intel A100 and A110) | 0x8086 | 0x2772 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> {{Yes| }} | <!--3D--> {{Unk| }} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | Fujitsu LifeBook U1010, |- | 945GMS - 166 MHz / 250 MHz (1.05V) | 0x8086 | 0x27a2 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> {{Yes| }} | <!--3D--> {{Unk| }} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Yes}} | Dell D430 |- | 945GSE - 166 MHz (for Atom) | 0x8086 | 0x27ae | 0x0 | <!--2D--> {{Yes| }} | <!--3D--> {{Yes|[http://www.x.org/wiki/GalliumStatus]}} | {{Yes}} | {{No|dvi port}} | {{Yes| }} | for atom motherboards and most 2008/2009 netbooks * 3D Works - AOA110 AOA150, Dell Mini 9, Samsung NC10, Toshiba NB100, |- | 945G 82945G GMCH + ICH7 | 0x8086 | 0x27a6 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Unk}} | <!--3D-->{{Unk}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | untested 2D and 3D |- | 945GC 82945GC MCH | 0x8086 | 0x27a6 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Unk}} | <!--3D-->{{Unk}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | untested 2D and 3D |- | 945PM | 0x8086 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | Dell D420, Compaq nc6400, |- | 945GMS - 250 MHz Calistoga | 0x8086 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> {{Yes}} | <!--3D--> {{Yes|most models}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Yes}} | * 3D Works Dell Latitude 2100, HP Compaq nc6320, Lenovo 3000, Lenovo T60, Samsung Q35, Dell D620, Dell D820, * 3D untested Toshiba Satellite L100-120, Toshiba Portege M400, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Unk}} | <!--3D-->{{Unk}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | GMA 3100 G31 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | works 2D but no 3D |- | GMA 3100 G33 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | works 2D but no 3D |- | [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_GMA GMA 3150] netbooks and nettops | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | works 2D but no 3D. no vga, dvi or hdmi output for nettops |- | <!--Description--> G965 | <!--Vendor ID--> 0x8086 | <!--Product ID--> 0x | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> Q965 | <!--Vendor ID--> 0x8086 | <!--Product ID--> 0x2992 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{No}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> Only tested with VGA output. |- | 965GM X3100 (500 MHz) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | some support 2D but no hardware 3D - could not get it to work with VGA or dvi output * untested Apple MacBook Air, Lenovo Thinkpad X300, Dell Inspiron 1525, Toshiba M9, |- | 960GM X3100 (400 MHz) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | |- | 965M X3100 (400 MHz) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | Dell D830, |- | 965PM ?? | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | Toshiba A9 works with limited 2D acceleration but no hardware 3D |- | GL965 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | works with limited 2D acceleration but no hardware 3D |- | GM965 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | works with limited 2D acceleration but no hardware 3D |- | GMA X3500 G35 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | works with limited 2D acceleration but no hardware 3D |- | <!--Description-->X4500M G41 G43 G45 (400Mhz) Mobile 4 Series | <!--Vendor ID--> 0x8086 | <!--Product ID--> 0x2a42 0x2a43 | <!--Revision-->0x07 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue--> {{No|}} | <!--Digital--> {{No|}} | <!--Laptop LCD--> {{Yes| VESA}} | <!--Comments-->works with limited 2D acceleration but no hardware 3D |- | <!--Description-->GMA 4500M HD (533 MHz) | <!--Vendor ID--> 0x8086 | <!--Product ID--> 0x | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->works with limited 2D acceleration but no hardware 3D |- | <!--Description-->GMA 4700M HD (640MHZ) | <!--Vendor ID--> 0x8086 | <!--Product ID--> 0x2a42 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->works with limited 2D acceleration but no hardware 3D |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====[http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix nouveau].hidd (nvidia pci, agp, pci-e desktop)==== PCIe based nvidia graphics (gfx 8xxx) are the base level for 64bit AROS but earlier models still has some support on 32bit AROS *Desktop, more likely hit rather than miss on early nvidia on Aros 32bit but on Aros 64bit ... *Laptop, limited support for '''very''' early non-optimus (i.e. just Nvidia gfx only so no Intel and nvidia gfx combinations on 32bit but on 64bit ...) Please note that the nouveau project is reverse engineering a nvidia graphics driver but takes time because of [https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ nVidia's closed firmwares], etc * 202 * 2026-07 - DEVS Nouveau.hidd Gallium.hidd Softpipe - LIBS Gallium GLU 20.0 Mesa OpenCL * 2011-10 - DEVS 6.11 Nouveau.hidd 7.4 Gallium.hidd 9.4 Softpipe - LIBS 2.3 Gallium 1.3 GLU 19.0 Mesa OpenCL 1.x * 2011-04 - DEVS 5.31 Nouveau.hidd 7.3 Gallium.hidd 9.3 Softpipe - LIBS 2.2 Gallium 1.1 GLU 18.0 Mesa OpenCL n/a Nouveau support for AROS is limited to OpenGL 2.1 compliance on 32bit even for modern GL4 capable GPUs but on 64bit ... On Aros 32bit OpenCL supports the NV50 (8000 9000) cards, less support in NVC0 fermi cards (300 upwards) On Aros 64bit ADoom3 graphic details ultra, benchmark while playing press the "`" key and type "Timedemo demo1" in the console {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="5%" | Graphic Card ! width="5%" | Aros 32bit 1024 x 768 ! width="5%" | Aros 32bit 800 x 600 ! width="5%" | Aros 32bit 640 x 480 ! width="5%" | Aros 64bit 1024 x 768 ! width="5%" | Aros 64bit 800 x 600 ! width="5%" | Aros 64bit 640 x 480 |- | NV50 Asus EN8400GS SILENT/P/512M PCIe (G98) || || || || || || |- | Gigabyte 8500GT 256M || 42,6 || 57,2 || 68,6 || || || |- | NV96 (G96) Geforce 9500GT 512M || 43 || 53 || 57 || || || |- | NV96 (G96) 9600GT || || || || || || |- | NVA3 (GT215) GT240 || || || || || || |- | NVA5 (GT216) Palit GT220 Sonic 512M || 39,7 || 55,8 || 63,7 || || || |- | NVA8 (GT218) gt210 || || || || || || |- | NVA8 (GT218) ION2 || 38,4 || 53,9 || 61,7 || Not Detected || Not Detected || Not Detected |- | NVC3 (GF106) GT440 GTS 450 || || || || || || |- | NVCF (GF116) NVC0 Fermi GTX 550Ti or GTS 450 v2 || || || || || || |- | NVC8 (GF110) 580GTX || N/A || N/A || N/A || || || |- | NVE0 Kepler GT630 || N/A || N/A || N/A || || || |- | NVE6 (GK106) Kepler GTX660 || N/A || N/A || N/A || || || |- | NVE7 (GK107) GTX 650 || N/A || N/A || N/A || || || |- | NV110 Maxwell GTX 750 || N/A || N/A || N/A || || || |- | NV126 (GM206) GTX950 || N/A || N/A || N/A || unk || unk || unk |- | NV160 family (Turing) GTX 1650 and RTX 2000 upwards with GSP firmware || N/A || N/A || N/A || unknown || unknown || unknown |- | HostGL Ryzen 5 4600H - Nvidia 1650 - Linux mint 21.1 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 150fps || 154fps || 155fps |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | width="5%" | Graphic Card | width="5%" | Aros 32bit 1024 x 768 | width="5%" | Aros 32bit 800 x 600 | width="5%" | Aros 32bit 640 x 480 | width="5%" | Aros 64bit 1024 x 768 | width="5%" | Aros 64bit 800 x 600 | width="5%" | Aros 64bit 640 x 480 |} {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="5%" | Description ! width="5%" | Vendor ID ! width="5%" | Product ID ! width="2%" | Rev ! width="5%" | 2D ! width="5%" | 3D ! width="5%" | Analog Output ! width="5%" | Digital Output ! width=40%" | Comments |- | <!--Description-->tnt1 (nv04) tnt2 (nv05) m64 value (1998) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--3D-->{{No|very slow}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | NV04 Riva TNT TNT2 Fahrenheit freezes on via motherboard chipset so rename agp.hidd in SYS:Devs/Drivers or Monitors |- | <!--Description-->tnt vanta lt (nv06) 1998 /9 | 0x10de | 0x002c | 0x15 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--3D-->{{No|slow}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | <!--Description-->Geforce 256 (nv10) (2000) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--3D-->{{No|slow }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | Geforce256 |- | <!--Description-->Geforce 2 Geforce 3 Geforce 4 (nv20) 2000 / 2 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--3D-->{{No|slow }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | works for some PCI and AGP Geforce2 Geforce3 Geforce4 |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | Geforce FX5200 nv34 (2003) | 0x10DE | 0x0322 0x | 0xA1 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Maybe|VGA15 }} | <!--Digital-->{{Maybe|DVI}} | NV30 GeForce 5 FX Rankine Hardware OpenGL 1.5 - slower than GF MX 4000 for 2D - max 1024 x768 * not working [https://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=92328&page=8 mobos with VIA chipsets 2018] * working (MSI 0x9174) the previous nouveau 5.x driver * Others work with 6.x series XFX PV-T34K-NA, ASUS V9520-X/TD |- | Geforce FX5500 (nv34) (2003) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | works |- | Geforce 5100 (NV34) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | Geforce FX 5200LE (NV34) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5200 Ultra | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | Geforce FX5600 (nv31) (2004) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | works |- | GeForce FX 5600 Ultra | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5600SE | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5600XT | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | Geforce FX5700 (nv36) (2004) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|some}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | |- | GeForce FX 5700VE | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5700 Ultra | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5700LE | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5800 (NV30) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5800 Ultra (NV30) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5900 (NV35) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5900 Ultra | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5900XT | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5900ZT | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5950 Ultra | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | Geforce 5xxx | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | Geforce 6200 (nv44) (2005) | 0x | 0x00F3 0x014F | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|5.28 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| use 5.28}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes|VGA15 and s-video - plain 4pin cable lead will work with 7pin}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | NV40 GeForce 6 GeForce 7 Curie AGP Hardware OpenGL 2.1 needing previous 5.x version as regression arose 2011-10 |- | Geforce 6200 (nv44a) (2006) | 0x | 0x0221 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|5.28 Pixel Text }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes|VGA15}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | Hardware OpenGL 2.1, PCI version tested OK in 2014-01-02 - Icaros 1.5.2 * not working *working |- | GeForce 6200 with Turbo Cache (NV43) | 0x | 0x0161 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | |- | GeForce 6200SE with Turbo Cache (NV44) | 0x | 0x0162 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | Geforce 6200 LE | 0x10de | 0x0163 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | PCI-E |- | GeForce 6600 LE | 0x | 0x00F4 0x0142 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6600 | 0x | 0x00F2 0x0141 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | 2006 PureVideo HD 1 or VP1 re-used the MPEG-1/MPEG-2 decoding pipeline from FX |- | Geforce 6600gt (nv4x) (2005) | 0x | 0x00F1 0x0140 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | OpenGL tests - |- | Geforce 6800 (nv40) (2005) | 0x | 0x0041 0x00C1 0x00F0 0x0211 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6800 XE (NV4x) | 0x | 0x0043 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6800 LE | 0x | 0x0042 0x00C2 0x0212 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6800 GT (quadro fx 1400) | 0x | 0x0045 0x0046 0x0215 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce 6800 GS | 0x | 0x0047 0x00C0 0x00F6 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6800 GTS NV40 | 0x | 0x0040 0x0F9 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce 6800XT | 0x | 0x0044 0x0048 0x00C3 0x0218 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6600 VE | 0x | 0x0143 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6500 NV44 | 0x | 0x0160 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6250 | 0x | 0x0169 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce 6xxx | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | GeForce 7800 GTX | 0x | 0x0090 0x0091 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| tunnel gearbox cube cube2 25}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> 256MB DDR3 - 1 6pin psu connector - * not working asus en7800gtx/2dhtv/256m/osp/a - * Works XFX PV-T70F-UDD7 Works in steve jones' scrap pc aros build 2010 2 DVI-I ports * Untested |- | GeForce 7800 GT | 0x | 0x0092 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce 7600gt (G8 ) (nv4 ) (2006) | 0x | 0x02E0 0x0391 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> OpenGL 2.1 * not working * working |- | GeForce 7800 SLI | 0x | 0x0095 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7900 GTX | 0x | 0x0290 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7900 GT GTO | 0x | 0x0291 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7900 GS | 0x10de | 0x0292 | 0x0a1 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> * not working * Works with a few glitches with XFX Pine 0x2218 |- | GeForce 7950 GX2 | 0x10de | 0x0293 0x0294 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7950 GT | 0x | 0x0295 0x02E4 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7900 GS | 0x | 0x02E3 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7600 GS | 0x | 0x02E1 0x0392 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7650 GS | 0x10de | 0x0390 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7600 LE | 0x10de | 0x0394 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce 7800GS (G8 ) (nv4 ) (2006) | 0x10de | 0x0093 0x00F5 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> * not working * works if AGP motherboard chipset is supported - Hardware OpenGL 2.1 |- | GeForce 7100 GS | 0x10de | 0x016A | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Pixel Text}} | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7350 LE | 0x10de | 0x01D0 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce 7300le (G8 ) (nv4 ) (2006) | 0x10de | 0x01D1 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7300SE 7200GSGF-7200GS-N-B1 variant (G72) | 0x10de | 0x01D3 | 0x0a1 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk|1x DVI, 1x VGA, 1x S-Video}} | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->2007 40W pci-e 1.0 VP1 no unified shaders - * not working Asus on via chipset (2015), * works Asus on intel chipset (2015), |- | Geforce 7300gt (G8 ) (nv4 ) (2006) | 0x10de | 0x0395 0x0393 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> * not working * works |- | GeForce 7300 GS | 0x10de | 0x01DF | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7500 LE | 0x10de | 0x01DD | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce 7xxx | 0x10de | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | GeForce 8800 Ultra (NV50 family) | 0x10de | 0x0194 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->NV50 GeForce 8 to GeForce 200s opengl 3.x - max res - 80nm technology - PureVideo HD 2 or VP2 Nvidia VDPAU Feature Set A (absent from ultra and some 8800gt?) added a dedicated bitstream processor (BSP) and enhanced video processor for H.264, VC-1 acceleration |- | Geforce 8800gts (nv50) (G8x) (2007) | 0x10de | 0x0400 0x0600 0x0193 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2007 200w openGL3 openCL - 2x6pin psu * not working 0x0193 models (2015) on via chipsets, * works |- | Geforce 8800gtx (nv5 ) (G8x) (2007) | 0x10de | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{no| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2008 200W 1x 6pin connector, * not working * working * untested XFX PV-T88P-YDF4, Alpha Dog Edition runs extremely hot - Gigabyte GV-NX88T512H, |- | GeForce 8800 GT | 0x10de | 0x0602 0x0611 0x0193 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->DVI up to 2500 x 1600 | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - 6pin psu power connector required * not working * untested Asus EN8800GT/HTDP/256M EN8800GT/HTDP/512M EN8800GT/G/HTDP/512M * works |- | GeForce 8800 GT (G92) | 0x10de | 0x0611 | 0x0a2 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue-->{{N/A}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes}} | <!--Comments--> opengl 3 pci-e 2.0 8800GT 512MB on Icaros 2.0.3 [[File:8800GT aros heads.png|thumb|8800GT]] [[File:8800GT aros tails.png|thumb|8800GT detail]] |- | Geforce 8600gt (nv5 ) (G8x) (2007) | 0x10de | 0x0401 0x0402 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - max res * not working * works |- | GeForce 8500 GT G86 based chipset | 0x10de | 0x0421 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|32bit and 64bit}} | <!--3D-->{{yes|32bit and 64bit}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> OpenGL tests - max opengl 3.x but 2.1 offered on Aros 32bit and * works Gigabyte 8500 GT, * not working |- | GeForce 8800 GS | 0x10de | 0x0606 0x060D | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - max res |- | GeForce 8600GS | 0x10de | 0x0403 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> openGL 3.x VP3 offers complete hardware-decoding for all 3 video codecs of the Blu-ray Disc format: MPEG-2, VC-1, and H.264 - Nvidia VDPAU Feature Set B |- | GeForce 8300 GS | 0x10de | 0x0423 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - max res |- | Geforce 8400gs G98GS (end 2007) GT218 (2009) * Rev2 with 8/16 cores and 128-512MB of DDR2 or GDDR3 memory. * Rev3 with 8 cores and 512MB-1GB of DDR3 memory (based on Tesla 2.0) | 0x10de | 0x0424 0x0422 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| tunnel 490 gearbox 505 Cube 135 Cube2 55 quake3 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes|works digital part of DVI but nothing from any display port}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|output on digital 24 pin array of DDWG's DVI and hdmi}} | <!--Comments-->2009 50W openGL 3.1 openCL - case single slot - one single-link DVI digital output, supporting up to one 1920x1080 resolution display - analog resolution 640 x 480 to 1024 x 768 16 and 24 bit color - [http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nouveau_comp_2011&num=19 runs a little hotter than expected] - G98 VP3 pci-e 2.0 512MB DDR2 - * not working * works Asus EN8400GS SILENT/P/512M PCIe (G98), |- | Geforce 8400gs (nv50) (G86) (mid-2007) * Rev1 with 16 cores / 256MB of DDR2 memory. | 0x10de | 0x0404 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| tunnel 490 gearbox 505 Cube 135 Cube2 55 quake3 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes|works but not tested thru 4 pins of analog signal of DVI plug}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|output on digital 24 pin array of DDWG's DVI and hdmi}} | <!--Comments-->2008 50W openGL 3.1 openCL - case single slot - one single-link DVI digital output up to 1920x1080 resolution display - analog resolution 640 x 480 to 1024 x 768 16 and 24 bit color - [http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nouveau_comp_2011&num=19 runs a little hotter than expected] - G86 VP2 128MB - * not working XFX PV-T86S-YAJG NVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS 512MB DDR2, Sparkle 8400GS 512MB SX84GS512D2L-DPP, * works Asus EN8400GS SILENT/HTP/256M SILENT/HTP/512M/A, |- | GeForce 8400 SE | 0x10de | 0x0420 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> openGL 2.x openCL |- | NVidia Quadro NVS290 DMS-59 | 0x10de | 0x0403 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{no| }} | <!--3D-->{{no| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk|DMS-59 socket}} | <!--Digital-->{{unk|DMS-59 }} | <!--Comments-->2008 21W - G86S (G86-827-A2) - 16 shading units, 8 texture mapping units, and 4 ROPs. NVIDIA has paired 256 MB DDR2 - PCIe 1.0 x16 Low Profile - |- | Geforce Quadro FX 4600 (SDI), 5600 | 0x10de | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Partial|VESA 2d}} | <!--3D-->{{no| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{partial| }} | <!--Digital-->{{partial| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | GeForce 9800 GX2 (NV50 family) | 0x10de | 0x0604 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Partial|VESA }} | <!--3D-->{{no| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Partial| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2009 150w - 65nm technology |- | GeForce 9800 GTX | 0x10de | 0x0612 | 0x0a2 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->2009 2x6pin psu - * not working xfx on via chipset (2015), * works xfx on chipset intel , |- | GeForce 9800 GTX+ | 0x10de | 0x0613 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - max res 2560 x 1920 - case dual slot - 26amp 12v rail on computer psu if 2x6pin connectors needed - 55nm version of the G92 chip - will not work with PCI-e 1.0a slots - * not working * works on a few models |- | Geforce 9800gt (nv50) (G92a) (2008) | 0x10de | 0x0614 | 0x0xa2 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| tunnel 495 gearbox 513 Cube 156 Cube2 120 Quake3 }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{partial| DVI}} | <!--Comments--> OpenGL 3.1 openCL 1.x - case dual slot - 600w 26amp on both 12v rails for 2x6pin psu on gfx card - no fan control - some come with 1x6pin - renamed version of the venerable GeForce 8800 GT - randomly works * not working Gainward 512M untested * working Gainward CardExpert (0x0401) Green Edition NE39800TFHD02-PM8D92 1024MB (no 6pin) |- | Geforce gf9600 9600gt (nv5 ) (G9x) (2008) | 0x10de | 0x0622 | 0x0a1 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| tunnel 493 gearbox 675 Cube Cube2 100 Quake3 }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Yes| DVI}} | <!--Comments--> OpenGL 3.2 openCL but no fan control - case dual slot - 1 6pin pcie psu connector - 500 Watt or greater power supply with a minimum of 26 Amp on the +12 volt rail - Max Analog: 2048x1536 and Max Digital: 2560x1600 (Dual Link DVI Only) - PCI Express® 2.0 / 1.1 Support - g96 gpu randomly works - * not working bfg tech ocx, * works gigabyte gv-n96tsl-512i - |- | Geforce gf9500 9500gt (nv5 ) (G9x) (2008) | 0x10de | 0x0640 | 0x0a1 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| tunnel 480 gearbox 500 Cube Cube2 64 Quake3 }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Yes| DVI}} | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.2 - case single slot - 350 Watt/400 Watt or greater power supply with a minimum of 18 Amp/22 Amp on the +12 volt rail - Max Analog: 2048x1536 and Max Digital: 2560x1600 (Dual Link DVI Only) - PCI Express® 2.0 / 1.1 Support - * not working zotac zone fanless, Gainward USA NE29500THHD01-PM8796, PNY G9500GN2E50X+0TE, * works xfx xne-9500t-td01-pm8596 1024mb ddr2, |- | GeForce 9600 GS | 0x | 0x0623 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - max res - will not work with PCI-e 1.0a slots - * not working * works |- | GeForce 9600 GSO | 0x | 0x0610 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - max res - G92 chopped down - 9600GSO is re-badged 8800GS both very power hungry cards - |- | GeForce 9300 GS | 0x | 0x06E1 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->2009 opengl 3.x - max res |- | Geforce 9400 GT (nv5 ) (G86S) (2008) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{partial|}} | <!--3D-->{{unk|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk|1x DVI, 1x VGA, 1x S-Video}} | <!--Digital-->{{unk|1x DVI}} | <!--Comments-->2009 50W opengl 3.x - max res |- | Geforce 9xxx (nv5 ) (G9x) (2008) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{unk|}} | <!--3D-->{{unk|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk|}} | <!--Digital-->{{unk|}} | <!--Comments-->2009 opengl 3.x - max res |- | <!--Description-->Quadro FX 580 G96 chipset | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2009 |- | <!--Description--> NV84 (G84) GeForce 8600 (GT, GTS, M GT, M GS), 8700M GT, NV92 (G92) GeForce 8800 (GT, GS, GTS 512, M GTS, M GTX) GeForce 9600 GSO, 9800 (GT, GTX, GTX+, GX2, M GT, M GTX) NV96 (G96) GeForce 9400 GT, 9500 (GT, M G), 9600 (M GS, M GT), NV86 (G86) GeForce 8300 GS, 8400 (GS, M G, M GS, M GT), 8500 GT | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->NVA0 (GT200) Tesla GeForce GTX (260, 275, 280, 285, 295) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GTX 280 (NV50 family) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID-->0x05E1 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{no| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - max res PureVideo HD 4 (Nvidia Feature Set C or "VDPAU Feature Set C), VP4 added hardware to offload MPEG-4 Advanced Simple Profile (original DivX and Xvid) |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GTX 260 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x05E2 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{partial|Vesa}} | <!--3D-->{{no| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> 2 6pin - psu pci express 2.1 - |- | Geforce GTS250 250GTS (g92b) (2009) | 0x10de | 0x0615 | 0x0a2 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| tunnel 486 gearbox 508-642 Cube Cube2 80 Quake3 }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Yes| DVI}} | <!--Comments--> 2x6pin psu VP2 - pci-e 2.x - case dual slots - 738m 1gb ddr3 - * not working Zotac branded version GDDR3 - * works PNY gs-250x-zdfl and Gigabyte ??, BFG Tech RGTS2501024OCE, palit ne3ts250fhd52-pm8a92 with 2x6pin on top and hdmi output port, |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GT 240 (GT215 family) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x0ca3 | <!--Revision-->0xa2 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|use VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 tunnel gearbox}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->late 2009 openGl 3.2 - case dual slots - no 6pin psu required with VP4 - All are pcie 2.1 cards and may not work in 1.0a slots - * not working * DDR3 with 512MB or 1GB - * DDR5 -Asus ENGT240 - XFX Pine GT240XYHFC 0x3001 - Gigabyte GV-N240D5-512I rev 1.0 - Zotac AMP! with HDMI 1.3a with DisplayPort 1.1, Dual Link DVI - * works |- | <!--Description-->GT220 (GT216) G220 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x0a20 | <!--Revision-->0xa2 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI }} | <!--Comments--> Icaros 2.0.3 GeForce GT220 1GB[[File:GT220 aros heads.png|thumb|GT220]][[File:GT220 aros tails.png|thumb|GT220]] * untested NVIDIA Quadro® 400 512MB DDR3 GT216 DP DVI, AFox AF220 1Gb DDR3, |- | Geforce GT220 220GT G94 Tesla (g92b) | 0x10de | 0x0a20 | 0xa2 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| tunnel 490 gearbox 505 cube 150 cube2 50 Quake3 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk|1x DVI, 1x VGA}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI but not 1x HDMI }} | 58W pci express 2.0 cards DDR3 - case single slot - * not working ASUS ENGT220/DI/1GD2(LP)/V2 - * works - gainward card expert 0x0401 GDDr3 512MB - |- | <!--Description-->GT210 GT 210 210GT G210 based on Tesla 2.0 GT218S GT218-300-A2 variant, GT218-300-B1 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x0a65 | <!--Revision-->0xa2 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk|1x DVI, 1x VGA}} | <!--Digital-->{{Maybe|DVI out works but not hdmi or 1x DisplayPort}} | <!--Comments-->2009 31W OpenGL 3.3 pci-e 2.0 cards - single slot - * working GT218 based Asus EN210 based silent low profile large passively cooled - * untested MSI GeForce 210 1GB DDR3 PCIe N210-MD1GD3H/LP, * not working |- | <!--Description-->Nvidia ION2 9400M class (GT218) Tesla | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2012 |- | <!--Description-->Quadro NVS 295 (256 MB GDDR3), NVS 450 (256M/512 MB DDR3) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{partial|2 or 4 dp ports}} | <!--Comments-->2009 25w low performance - G98s with 8 shading units, 4 texture mapping units, and 4 ROPs on PCI-Express 1.0 x16 - *not working some NVIDIA Quadro NVS 295 2 dp ports (DELL, HP), *working |- | <!--Description-->GT310 Tesla 310, 315, GT 320, GT 330 GT 340 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe|6.11 tunnel gearbox}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->2010 50w OpenGL 3.3 openCL all similar in performance to GT2xx except gt31x (poor) |- | <!--Description-->Quadro NVS310 NVIDIA NVS 310 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> 2 dp | <!--Comments-->2012 25w GF119S (GF119-825-A1) 48 shading units, 8 texture mapping units, and 4 ROPs on PCI-Express 2.0 x16 - 512 MB DDR3 - PureVideo VP5 VDPAU Feature Set D - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description--> GTX 470, GTX 480 GF10 GF10* core (NVC0 family) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| tunnel gearbox}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->2010 215w 2x6 plugs - NVC0 family (Fermi) GF100 (GF100-275-A3) Fermi 448 shading units, 56 texture mapping units, and 40 ROPs with 1,280 MB GDDR5 - up to OpenGL4.5 OpenCL1.1 Tessellation - case dual slots - |- | Geforce GTX460 460GTX (G104) 256bit, 1GB v2 192bit and GTX 465 | 0x10de | 0x0e22 | 0xa1 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| tunnel gearbox cube 055-111 cube2 50}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->NVC0 family (Fermi) up to OpenGL 4.x but - 2x6pin psu - case dual slots - * not working evga 768MB GDDR5 192bit 01G-P3-1373-ER or 01G-P3-1372-TR * works 1GB GDDR5 256bit 01G-P3-1371-ER |- | <!--Description-->Geforce GTX 460SE 192bit | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x0e23 | <!--Revision-->0x91 or 0xa1 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Comments-->2010 - 2 6pin psu needed - case dual slots - * not working * works EVGA 01g-p3-1366-b6 et 1024MB p1041 - |- | Geforce GT450 GTS450 450GTS GF106 | 0x10de | 0x0dc4 | 0x0a1 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| tunnel gearbox cube cube2 50 Quake3 }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI }} | 2010 Hardware up to OpenGL 4.2 but nouveau set at 3.3 - most need 1x 6pin psu - case dual slots - * not working * DDR3 1 or 2GB - Palit NEAS450NHD41F, * GDDR5 512Mb or 1GB - MSI MPN N450GTSM2D1GD5OC, Asus MPN ENGTS450DI1GD5, * works Gainward Card Expert NE5S4500FHd51, |- | <!--Description-->GT 440 GF108 chipset or better OEM GF106 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| tunnel gearbox}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->2010 up to openGl 4.1 opencl 1.x - no 6 pin psu - 96 cuda cores 128bit - case dual slots - * not working * OEM * GDDR5 512MB to 1GB ASUSTeK ENGT440/DI/1GD5 * GDDR3 Asus 1gb to 2gb, * works |- | <!--Description-->GT430 430GT (GF108) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe|6.11 tunnel gearbox}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->2010 ddr3 memory 64bit or 128bit - buggy on Aros 32 but * not working * works |- | <!--Description-->nVidia Quadro FX1800 768MB GDDR3 Full Height Graphics Card Workstation | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{no|6.11 tunnel gearbox}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Maybe|DVI-I 2xDP}} | <!--Comments-->59W 768 MB GDDR3 memory using a 192-bit memory interface - OpenGL 3.3 - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->GTX 590 Fermi | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->OpenGL4.4 OpenCL 1.1 - GDDR5 - 6pin and 8pin psu connectors - 512 cuda - case dual slots - * not working * works |- | <!--Description-->GTX 580, | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->PureVideo HD 5" or "VP5" (Nvidia Feature Set D or VDPAU Feature Set D) 4k UHD 3840 × 2160 H.264 decode - |- | <!--Description-->GTX 570, | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> * not working Zotac GTX 570, Gainward GTX560TI/570 Phantom, * works gigabyte, evga |- | <!--Description-->Geforce 5xx 560gtx Fermi GTX 560, | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->opengl 4.x - 2 6pin psu - 384 cuda cores - case dual slots - will not work with PCI-e 1.0a slots - * not working Asus ENGTX560 DC/2DI/1GD5, * Ti LE 448 cuda GDDR5 320bit * Ti 256bit * works |- | <!--Description-->GTX 560 Ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> * not working evga GTX 560Ti 01GP31560KR - Gainward GTX560TI/570 Phantom, * works |- | <!--Description-->GTX 550 Ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x1201 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->can hang on boot up on I2C Init or suffer random lockups on OpenGL apps - most need 1 6pin min 400W 24A on the +12V1 / +12V2 dual 12V rails of the computers' power supply unit - 192 cuda cores - case dual slots used - will not work with PCI-e 1.0a slots - * not working eVGA GeForce GTX 550 Ti (1024 MB) (01GP31556KR) - * untested asus Extreme, eVGA GeForce GTX 550 Ti (1024 MB) (01GP31557KR) - - * works |- | <!--Description-->GT 545 and OEM GF116 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->openGL 4.2 opencl 1.x - GDDR5 with OEM only - |- | <!--Description-->GT530 OEM | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->96 cuda cores - 1GB or 2GB DDR3 128bit |- | <!--Description-->GT520 520GT | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->untested 48 cuda cores - DDR3 64bit |- | <!--Description-->510, GT 530 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D 6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> ddr 3 - 50w max - |- | <!--Description-->GT610 Fermi GF119 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NVS 315 300 GF119S | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{No|VESA}} needs special dms-59 cable | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2013 fermi 315 PNY VCNVS315-T 1Gb DDR3 but needs special dms-59 cable - |- | <!--Description-->GT630 GF108 Fermi | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->not accelerated 2015 - like the GT730 below - 96 cuda cores whilst kepler version has 384 - 128bit to keplers' 64bit bandwidth - kepler has 2GB DDR3 * not working Gigabyte * DDR3 * GDDR5 * works |- | <!--Description-->Geforce GT 730 (two versions) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe| use VESA 6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> fermi version has 96 cuda cores 128bit GF108 * not working Asus * works |- | <!--Description-->nVIDIA Quadro 4000 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} 2 dp ports | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->142W 2Gb GDDR5 - PCI Express 2.0 x16 ; full Height card with 1x 6-Pin PCIe power need - CUDA Cores 256 - OpenGL 4.5 |- | <!--Description-->nVIDIA Quadro 5000 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2011 200W 2.5Gb GDDR5 320 bit - PCI Express 2.0 x16 full Height card with 2x 6-Pin PCIe power need - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GTX Titan GeForce GTX Titan Black GeForce GTX Titan Z | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->NVE0 family (Kepler) GeForce 600 GeForce 700 GeForce GTX Titan Kepler |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GTX 780 GeForce GTX 780 Ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->PureVideo HD 6" or "VP6" (Nvidia Feature Set E or VDPAU Feature Set E) significantly improved performance when decoding H.264 and MPEG-2 |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GTX 770 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->opengl 4.4 opencl 1.1 |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GTX 760 GeForce GTX 760 Ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GT 740 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GT 730 Kepler (two versions) f | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> kepler 384 cores 64bit GK208 |- | <!--Description-->680gtx GK104 core gtx680 680m | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->NVE0 family (Kepler) |- | <!--Description-->GTX 690 Kepler NVE0 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->pci-e 3.0, OpenGL 4.4 OpenCL 1.1 |- | <!--Description-->GTX 670 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->GTX 660 GTX 660 Ti GK104 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2012 up to OpenGL 4.5 |- | <!--Description-->GTX 650 GTX 650 Ti GTX 650 Ti Boost | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2012 NVE0 family (Kepler) most need 1 6pin psu * not working asus ENGTX560 DC/2DI/1GD5 * works |- | <!--Description-->Geforce GT 640 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2012 * 128bit DDR3 * 192bit DDR3 1.5 to 3GB 50W * 128bit GDDR5 75W |- | <!--Description-->GT 620 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2012 up to OpenGL 4.5 |- | <!--Description-->Quadro K2000 NVE7 (GK107) Kepler | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2013 - 50w single slot pcie 2.0 - like 740gs - |- | <!--Description-->NVIDIA® Quadro® K4200 GK104 Kepler | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2014 4Gb GDDR5 - 108W 1 6pin - |- | <!--Description-->NVIDIA® Quadro® K420 1GB DDR3 Kepler | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2014 41W - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->GeForce 750ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2015 [https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/FeatureMatrix.html NV110] Maxwell - |- | <!--Description-->Nvidia GTX 750 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x1381 | <!--Revision-->0xa2 | <!--2D-->{{yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{yes| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{yes|vga on 64bit test }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk|not dp }} | <!--Comments-->2014 and tested in 2026 with latest nouveau test |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Quadro K2200 (GM107) Maxwell | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2014 - 68w single slot pcie 2.0 - |- | <!--Description-->Quadro K620 Maxwell | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2014 50w slim low profile 2gb ddr3 - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NV12B (GM20B) Tegra X1 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{no| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2015 GM206 2nd gen maxwell PureVideo HD 7" or "VP7" (Nvidia Feature Set F or VDPAU Feature Set F) adds full hardware-decode of H.265 HEVC Version 1 (Main and Main 10 profiles and full fixed function VP9 (video codec) hardware decoding |- | <!--Description-->NV124 (GM204) GeForce GTX 980 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x13c0 | <!--Revision-->0x | <!--2D-->{{yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{yes| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NV124 (GM204) GeForce GTX 970 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x13c2 | <!--Revision-->0xa1 | <!--2D-->{{yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{yes| }} | <!--Digital-->{{no| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NV126 (GM206) GeForce GTX 960 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NV126 (GM206) GeForce GTX 950 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{yes| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{yes| }} | <!--Digital-->{{yes| }} | <!--Comments-->2016 |- | <!--Description-->NV120 (GM200) GeForce GTX Titan X | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->NV132 (GP102) NVIDIA Titan (X, Xp), GeForce GTX 1080 Ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 probably little support |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 probably little support |- | <!--Description-->NV134 (GP104) GeForce GTX 1080 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 probably little support |- | <!--Description-->NV134 (GP104) GeForce GTX 1070 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 probably little support - 2 6pin psu ports - |- | <!--Description-->NV136 (GP106) GeForce GTX 1060 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 probably little support up to OpenGL 4.6 |- | <!--Description-->quadro p620 2gb gddr5 128bit and quadro p1000 4gb gt1030 30w | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 50w slim low profile - |- | <!--Description-->GeForce gtx 1060 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->NV130 Pascal |- | <!--Description-->NV137 (GP107) GeForce GTX (1050, 1050 Ti) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 probably little support |- | <!--Description-->NV138 (GP108) GeForce GT 1030 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 probably little support |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->NV130 family (Pascal) |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->NV162 (TU102) NVIDIA Titan RTX, GeForce RTX 2080 Ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2018 needs gsp firmware and latest nouveau version |- | <!--Description-->NV164 (TU104) GeForce RTX (2070 Super, 2080, 2080 Super) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2019 NV160 family (Turing) unified gsp-rm firmware - best starting point for Vulkan support |- | <!--Description-->NV166 (TU106) GeForce RTX (2060, 2060 Super, 2070) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2019 |- | <!--Description-->NV168 (TU116) GeForce GTX (1650 Super, 1660, 1660 Ti, 1660 Super) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2018 |- | <!--Description-->NV167 (TU117) GeForce GTX 1650 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2019 |- | <!--Description-->gtx 1650ti super | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2018 old style |- | <!--Description-->Quadro RTX 4000 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2019 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->NV172 (GA102) GeForce RTX (3080, 3090) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2020 av1 decoding ampere |- | <!--Description-->NV174 (GA104) GeForce RTX (3060 Ti, 3070, 3080 Mobile) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2020 NV170 family (Ampere) |- | <!--Description-->NV176 (GA106) GeForce RTX (3050, 3060) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2021 |- | <!--Description-->NV177 (GA107) GeForce RTX 3050 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->NV192 (AD102) GeForce RTX 4090 ada | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2022 |- | <!--Description-->NV193 (AD103) GeForce RTX 4080 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->NV190 family (Ada Lovelace) |- | <!--Description-->NV194 (AD104) GeForce RTX (4070, 4070 Ti) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NV196 (AD106) GeForce RTX 4060 Ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NV197 (AD107) GeForce RTX 4060 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->Geforce RTX 5090 blackwell GB202 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Quadro RTX Pro 4000 Blackwell | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2024 70w - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |} ==== nouveau mobile integrated ==== If you purchased a 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nForce 420 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID-->0x03D5 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->GeForce 6150 LE | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID-->0x0241 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6150SE nForce 430 | 0x | 0x03D0 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | working |- | <!--Description-->GeForce 6150 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID-->0x0240 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->GeForce 7150M / nForce 630M | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID-->0x0531 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | 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<!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce ION 2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->works well |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->GeForce Go 6150 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID-->0x0244 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->GeForce Go 6100 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID-->0x0247 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | 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GCN3rd AMD R5E R7E 2019 GCN5th AMD Vega 8 2022 RDNA1 AMD RX5500 desktop only 2023 RDNA2 AMD 680M 780M 2024 RDNA3 AMD 880M 890M 2025 RDNA3.5 AMD 8060S strix halo and AI 2027 RDNA4 AMD </pre> {| class="wikitable" ! Description ! Vendor ID ! Product ID ! Revision ! 2D ! 3D ! Analogue Output ! Digital Output ! Laptop LCD ! Comments |- | 7000 (r100) | 0x1002 | 0x5159 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Maybe|vga15 pin connection but not s-video}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 1.3 |- | 7500 (rv200 but still r100 based) | 0x1002 | 0x5157 | 0x | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes|vga15}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 1.3 |- | 8000 8500 (r200) | 0x1002 | 0x514c (8500LE) | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 1.4 |- | 9000 9100 9250 (r200) | 0x1002 | 0x5964 (9000) 0x514d (9100) | 0x0001 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Maybe|VGA15 but not s-video}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 1.4 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | 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0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|new driver}} | <!--3D-->{{no}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 2.1 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | HD2400 HD2600 HD2900 ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_R600 r600]) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|some features with new driver}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> openGL 3.3 open CL 1.2 TeraScale architecture |- | HD3400 HD3600 HD3800 (r600) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|some features with new driver}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->pci-e 2.0, openGL 3.3 |- | HD4300 HD4500 HD4600 HD4700 HD4800 ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_R600 r700]) | 0x1002 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|but some later cards need 3D engine for faster and more flexible 2D now}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 3.3 - DDR3 - GDDR5 was one of AMD's aces for the 4800 series - 4670 liked - |- | HD6900 cayman series | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|some features with new driver}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> openGL 3.3 open CL not mature (2014) - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | HD5400 Series HD5430 HD5450 HD5470 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{No|needs 3D engine for accelerated 2D now}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2010 openGL 3.3 openCL - GDDR3 - |- | HD5500 Series HD5550 HD5570 HD5600 Series HD5650 HD5670 HD5700 Series HD5750 HD5770 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{No|needs 3D engine for accelerated 2D now}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 3.3 openCL - GDDR5 |- | HD 5800 Series HD5850 HD5870 HD5900 Series HD5950 HD5970 - HD6xxx not NI chipset ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evergreen_(GPU_family) r800 evergreen]) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{No|needs 3D engine for accelerated 2D now}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2009 openGL 3.3 openCL - DDR5 pci-e 2.1 best avoided for all pci-e 1.0 mobos - Ati TeraScale2 architecture - |- | HD6450 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Islands_(GPU_family) Northern Islands chipset] | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{No|needs 3D engine for accelerated 2D now}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> - DDR3 - |- | HD6600 Series HD6650 HD6570 HD6600 Series HD6650 HD6670 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{No|needs 3D engine for accelerated 2D now}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2011 - DDR5 - Radeon HD 8470 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 8350 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 7510 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6550D 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6530D 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6410D 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6370D 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6320 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6310 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6290 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6250 11 TeraScale 2 |- | HD6800 Series HD6850 HD6870 HD6700 Series HD6790 to HD6990 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{No|needs 3D engine for accelerated 2D now}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2011 - DDR5 - AMD TeraScale3 - |- | <!--Description-->HD7450-HD7670 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2012 OpenGL but not Vulkan Radeon HD 7660D 11 TeraScale 3 Radeon HD 7560D 11 TeraScale 3 Radeon HD 7540D 11 TeraScale 3 Radeon HD 7480D 11 TeraScale 3 Radeon HD 6930 11 TeraScale 3 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->HD7750 HD 7770 / R7 250X HD7850 HD7870 / R9 270X HD 7950 / R9 280 HD 7970 / R9 280X [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Islands_(GPU_family) Southern Islands] *AMD Radeon R7 250XE Cape Verde XT *AMD Radeon R7 M465X Cape Verde *AMD Radeon R9 255 Cape Verde PRX *AMD Radeon HD 7750 Cape Verde PRO *AMD Radeon R7 250E Cape Verde PRO *AMD Radeon HD 8740 Cape Verde PRO *AMD Radeon HD 7730 Cape Verde LE | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2012 pci-e 3.0 1st Gen GCN architecture - |- | <!--Description-->R5 430, FirePro W2100, | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2015 50W+ openGL openCL 1/3 speed of gtx750ti 1st gen gcn1 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | 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(faster) HD 7790 / R7 260 260X / R7 360 to R5 350 (fast) and last one R5 430 OEM Plus (slow again) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2013 50W+ GCN 1st gen - openGL 4.x openCL 1.x Vulkan 1.0 |- | <!--Description-->R9 290 / R9 390 R9 290X / R9 390X | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2014 GCN 1.1 2nd Gen architecture - openGL 4.x openCL 1.x Vulkan 1.1 - |- | <!--Description-->R9 Fury Nano | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2015 GCN 1.2 3rd Gen - openGL openCL vulkan |- | <!--Description-->r-200 series r8 275 285 295 375 [Volcanic Islands] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2015 GCN1.2 - openGL 4.x openCL 1.x Vulkan 1.2 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2015 [https://gpuopen.com/download/AMD_GCN3_Instruction_Set_Architecture_rev1.1.pdf GCN3] |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->Radeon™ RX 5700/5600/5500 Series | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2022 GCN 4 - OpenGL 4, Vulkan 1.3 - |- | <!--Description-->Radeon™ RX 400/500 Series like rx vega 580 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Radeon™ Pro WX 9100, x200 Series and Radeon™ Pro W5700/W5500 Series | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->Radeon™ RX 7900/7600 Series | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Radeon™ RX 6900/6800/6700/6600/6500 Series | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |} ==== amd radeon mobile integrated ==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="5%" | Description ! width="5%" | Vendor ID ! width="5%" | Product ID ! width="2%" | Rev ! width="5%" | 2D ! width="5%" | 3D ! width="5%" | Analog Output ! width="5%" | Digital Output ! width="5%" | Laptop LCD ! width=40%" | Comments |- | <!--Description-->ATI RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M] | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1002 | <!--Product ID-->0x5a62 0x5955 0x5974 (200m) | <!--Revision-->0x00 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon 7500 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1002 | <!--Product ID-->0x4c57 (7500) | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon 9000 | 0x1002 | 0x4966 (9000) | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon 9500 9550 (rv360) 9600 (rv350) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon 9800 (rv420) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon X300 (RV370) X600 (RV380) | 0x1002 | 0x (RV370) 0x5657 (RV380) | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon X700 (RV410) X800 (RV423) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon X1200 (RS69M0) | 0x1002 | 0x791f | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->X1200 IGP (RS690) |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon X1300 X1350 X1400(rv515) X1600 (rv530) X1650 (RV535) X1800 (rv520) x1900 (rv570) | 0x1002 | 0x71c7 (X1650) | 0x009e | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon 2100 | 0x1002 | 0x796e (2100) | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No|}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon HD 2400 (rv610) HD2600 (rv630) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon HD 3100 HD3200 HD3450 3470 (RS780MC RV620) 3670 (M86-XT RV635) HD3870 (M88-LXT RV670) | 0x1002 | 0x9610 and 0x9612 (HD3200) 0x9614 (HD3300) | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon HD 4200 4250 (RV620) | 0x1002 | 0x (HD4200) 0x9715 (HD4250) | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon HD 4330 4530 4550 (M92 RV710) 4650 (M96-XT RV730) 4670 RV730XT 4830 (M97 RV740) 4850 (M98 RV770) | 0x1002 | 0x (HD4350) 0x9442 (RV770) 0x9490 (HD4670) | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon HD 530v (M92 RV710) HD 550v (M96 RV730) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->no support yet |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon HD 5430 HD5650 (cedar Park LP) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->no support yet |- | <!--Description-->Radeon HD 6250 6290 6310 6320 6350M (Redwood Capilano PRO) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->no support yet |- | <!--Description-->AMD 7640G, 8450G, 8550G, 8650G Northern Islands | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2013 Last real support for old graphics standard before Vulkan takeover |- | <!--Description-->R5 M230 M240 M255 - R7 M260 M265 (Kaveri Crystal series with Mantle and HSA) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->2015 Maybe better with Vulkan |- | <!--Description-->R5E R7E | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->2016 bristol ridge GCN 3.0 IGP (Carrizo Mobile) |- | <!--Description-->AMD Vega 3, 6, 8, 11 iGP | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2018 raven ridge GCN 5th Gen |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->5500m 5600m 5800m | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->RDNA1 NaviX1 Zen 2 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->rx680m | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->RDNA2 NaviX2 Zen 3 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->phoenix apu 1103 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2022 RDNA3 NaviX3 zen 4 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ==== AMDGPU Vulkan desktop ==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="5%" | Description ! width="5%" | Vendor ID ! width="5%" | Product ID ! width="2%" | Rev ! width="5%" | 2D ! width="5%" | 3D ! width="5%" | Analog Output ! width="5%" | Digital Output ! width="5%" | Laptop LCD ! width=40%" | Comments |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->Kaveri 290 290X, 260 260X | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2015 AMDGPU Vulkan |- | <!--Description-->R9 285 / R9 380 R9 380X Fury / Fury X | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->opengl 4 opencl 1 3rd Gen GCN architecture |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->RX470 RX460 RX480 RX580 polaris10 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2016 opengl 4 opencl 2 4th Gen GCN architecture vulkan 1.3 |- | <!--Description-->RX460 RX560D polaris11 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2016 opengl 4 opencl 2 4th Gen GCN architecture vulkan 1.3 |- | <!--Description-->RX580 polaris20 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2016 opengl 4 opencl 2 4th Gen GCN architecture vulkan 1.3 |- | 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<!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->RX 6000 Navi 2x | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->RNDA 2 Mesa 21.3 decode av1 |- | <!--Description-->RX6000 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->RX 7000 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2022 RNDA 3 navi |- | <!--Description-->RX7000 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->RX9070 rx 9060 XT | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2025 rdna4 navi |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2026 udna (aka rdna5) |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | 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<!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- |} ==== AMDGPU Vulkan mobile ==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="5%" | Description ! width="5%" | Vendor ID ! width="5%" | Product ID ! width="2%" | Rev ! width="5%" | 2D ! width="5%" | 3D ! width="5%" | Analog Output ! width="5%" | Digital Output ! width="5%" | Laptop LCD ! width=40%" | Comments |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->R5E R7E | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->2016 bristol ridge GCN 3.0 IGP (Carrizo Mobile) |- | <!--Description-->Vega 8 | 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}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->rx680m | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->RDNA2 NaviX2 Zen 3 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->phoenix apu 1103 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->RDNA3 NaviX3 zen 4 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} fyi if a notebooks with two graphic cards, the integrated Intel card (id 0x7d) for low power usage and a discrete Radeon card (id 0x56) which should be used for GPU-intensive applications. By default the Intel card is always used [https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ATI Gallium Radeon HD] is not ported yet but is [https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.9-AMDGPU-Stats really big] and complex so another solution may have to be [https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/the-graphics-acceleration-can-of-worms/10515/5 found] like [https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/vulkan-lavapipe-software-rendering-is-working-on-haiku/11363/10 vulkan] where support starts from very recent ISA GCN islands HD7000s cards only *Vulkan *Gallium Vulkan software renderer allows to prepares the infrastructure for hardware rendering. Primary difference between software and hardware renderer is output to regular RAM vs GPU RAM, the rest is almost the same. It is possible to render to GPU RAM offscreen. bare bones basics data flow application,>>> api/opengl/vulkan>>>>, jit compiler, >>>>memory manger, >>>>gpu hardware so you need to have a compiler that takes your api call/program/shaders/drawing commands and turns them into a program the gpu can render. the vulkan to amd gpu compiler for shaders and textures is nearly os agnostic iirc as long as you have solid posix compliance Unlike OpenGL, Vulkan does not depend on windowing system and it have driver add-on system with standardized API (Mesa also have OpenGL driver add-ons, but it have non-standard Mesa-specific API). OpenGL may need more work for windowing system related code at this point but developing Vulkan on real hardware is more strategic than developing OpenGL, since now Zink 3 running on Vulkan compensates for the lack of OpenGL support by giving performance similar to native accelerated OpenGL RadeonGfx use client-server model with client-server thread pairs. For each client thread that calls 3D acceleration API, server side thread is created. If client thread terminates, server side thread also exit. ==Rough gfx comparison== <pre> Group 1 GeForce RTX 5090 5070 5060 5050 GeForce RTX 4090 4070 4060 4050 Group 2 Radeon 6700 XT GeForce RTX 2080 Super Radeon RX 6700 GeForce RTX 2070 Super Radeon 5700 XT GeForce RTX 2070 Radeon RX 7600 Quadro RTX 5000 Radeon PRO W6600 GeForce RTX 2060 12GB Radeon PRO W7500 Quadro GP100 Radeon RX 6800S GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU GeForce GTX 1080 GeForce RTX 3060 8GB Quadro RTX 4000 Radeon Pro W5700 Radeon RX 6600 GeForce RTX 2080 (Mobile) GeForce RTX 2060 Super Radeon RX 7700S Radeon RX 6700S Radeon RX 6600S Quadro RTX 5000 (Mobile) GeForce GTX 1070 Ti GeForce RTX 4050 Laptop GPU Radeon Pro Vega 64X Radeon RX 5700 Radeon RX Vega 64 GeForce RTX 2060 GeForce RTX 2070 Super with Max-Q Design Group 3 Radeon RX 6600M GeForce GTX 1070 Radeon RX 6650M GeForce RTX 3060 Laptop GPU Radeon RX Vega 56 Radeon RX 6700M GeForce RTX 2080 with Max-Q Design Radeon RX 6800M GeForce GTX 980 Ti Radeon R9 Fury GeForce 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4750U Ryzen 7 4700U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 7 PRO 4750U with Radeon Graphics FirePro V7800 Radeon R9 350 Ryzen 3 4300G with Radeon Graphics Radeon Vega 11 Ryzen 5 PRO 3350G Radeon Ryzen 5 5560U GeForce GTX 460 SE Radeon Pro W5500M Radeon Vega 11 Ryzen 5 PRO 3400G Ryzen 5 5500U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 5 PRO 4500U with Radeon Graphics GeForce GT 645 GeForce GTX 765M Radeon R9 M385X Ryzen 5 5625U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 3 PRO 7330U with Radeon Graphics Radeon HD 5850 Radeon Vega 11 Ryzen 5 PRO 2400G Intel Iris Pro 580 Radeon HD 6850 Intel Iris Xe MAX Radeon Ryzen 7 PRO 5875U Radeon Ryzen 5 7600 6-Core GeForce GTX 470M Ryzen 3 5300G with Radeon Graphics GeForce GTX 670MX Radeon RX 640 Qualcomm Adreno Gen 3 Radeon R7 450 GeForce GTX 675M Radeon Pro WX 4130 Intel Iris Xe MAX 100 Quadro 5000 Radeon RX 570X Radeon HD 7700-serie Ryzen 5 4600U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE with Radeon Graphics Radeon Vega 8 Group 8 GeForce MX230 GeForce GTX 765M Quadro K4000M Iris Pro Graphics 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9600 Mobility FireGL T2 Mobility Radeon 9550 GeForce Go 7200 GeForce Go 6400 Mobility Radeon X300 GeForce Go 6250 GeForce Go 6200 GeForce FX Go 5700 Quadro FX Go 1000 GeForce FX Go 5600 / 5650 Radeon Xpress X1270 Radeon Xpress X1250 Radeon Xpress X1200 Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) X3100 Mali-T624 Adreno 320 * Mali-T760 MP2 Mali-T720 MP4 Mali-450 MP4 Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) 3650 * GeForce 7190M * GeForce 7150M Radeon Xpress 1150 GeForce Go 6150 GeForce Go 6100 GeForce 7000M Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) 3600 * Mobility Radeon 9200 Mobility FireGL 9000 GeForce FX Go 5200 Mobility Radeon 9000 GeForce 4 488 Go GeForce 4 460 Go GeForce 4 440 Go GeForce 4 420 Go Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) 3150 Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) 950 SGX545 SGX544MP2 SGX543MP2 * Mali-T720 MP2 Mali-T720 Adreno 302 304 305 306 Mobility Radeon 7500 Mobility FireGL 7800 Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) 900 Radeon Xpress 200M Radeon Xpress 1100 Mirage 3+ 672MX Mirage 3 671MX Mali-400 MP4 * GeForce ULP (Tegra 3) * VideoCore-IV * Adreno 220 225* Vivante GC1000+ Dual-Core Mali-400 MP2 * GeForce ULP (Tegra 2) * Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) 600 * SGX540 * Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) 500 Adreno 205 * Adreno 203 * GC800 * SGX535 SGX531 SGX530 Adreno 200 * Mali-200 * GeForce 3 Go * GeForce 2 Go 200 / 100 Mobility Radeon 9100 IGP Mobility Radeon 9000 IGP Mobility Radeon M7 Mobility Radeon M6 Chrome9 HC Extreme Graphics 2 Mobility Radeon 7000 IGP Radeon IGP 340M Radeon IGP 320M S3G UniChrome Pro II S3G UniChrome Pro Castle Rock Mirage 2 M760 Mirage M661FX S3 Graphics ProSavage8 Mobility 128 M3 SM502 * </pre> Kernel-space drivers like '''radeon''' (older AMD driver for older GPUs), '''amdgpu''' (newer driver for newer GPUs, allows using a few new features), i915, nouveau and a few others. They are what handles the gory details of talking to the GPU itself (writing to proper registers, handling its memory directly, configuring outputs, and so on). Unfortunately most of what they're exposing can be only consumed by a single user of that GPU, which is why we need... DRM and DRI (Direct Rendering Manager/Infrastructure) controls access to the GPUs, provides interfaces for talking to the GPU concurrently by multiple apps at once (without them breaking each other) and lets the system perform the most basic tasks like setting proper resolution and such if no userspace apps understand how to talk to the GPU exposed. DRI and DRM expose the GPU interfaces mostly as-is, not in a "vendor-neutral" portable way - if you don't have an application developed specifically for a GPU you have, it won't work. "let's create a vendor-neutral interface for graphics so that apps can ignore the GPU-specific bits and get right to the drawing!" - which is what OpenGL is. User-space drivers implement the OpenGL specification and expose it as an OpenGL library to apps (like games, browsers, etc) instead of the GPU. Mesa is the most popular collection of open-source user-space drivers and contains a few user-space drivers for different GPU families: '''radeonsi''' for most modern AMD GPUs (and '''r600g''', r300g and others for older ones), '''i915/i965''' for old/new Intel GPUs and '''nouveau''' for Nvidia GPUs. There's also Gallium, which is a bunch of utilities and common code shared among these drivers - if certain things can be done once and work everywhere, they'll land in Gallium and benefit all the drivers. Most Mesa drivers use Gallium (radeonsi, nouveau, software renderers), some don't (intel after gma950). Displaying 2D windows supports device-specific 2D drivers as well, but nowadays most of these are no longer needed as the modesetting can handle most hardware on its own. As the DRM/DRI got some additional interfaces for what used to be hardware-specific (setting resolutions, refresh rates, etc) and software requiring accelerated 2D drawing was optimized OpenGL-based renderers, dedicated 2D acceleration is slowly going away. Since around 2012, the 3D part of the graphics card deals with 2D operations. Modern GPUs can also decode video!? There's VDPAU (NVIDIA & AMD GPUs) and VA-API (AMD & Intel GPUs) that can also talk to the GPU exposed via DRM/DRI and issue proper commands to decode/encode a given video stream. Those drivers are GPU-specific too. So let's say you have some example GPUs, here's how example stacks could look like: * AMD Radeon HD8750: amdgpu -> DRM/DRI -> Mesa (radeonsi) * AMD Radeon HD4850: radeon kernel driver -> DRM/DRI -> Mesa (r600g) -> games/apps/etc. * NVIDIA GeForce 460: nouveau kernel driver -> DRM/DRI -> Mesa (nouveau) -> games/apps. * Intel GMA950: i915 kernel driver -> DRM/DRI -> Mesa (i945) -> games/apps. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="15%" | Description ! width="15%" | Analog Output ! width="15%" | Digital Output ! width="15%" | Laptop LCD ! width=30%" | Comments |- | <!--Description-->Fudomi GC888A | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->1080p 100in throw projector |- | <!--Description-->Vamvo VF320 (720P) | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->720p 90in |- | <!--Description-->Happrun H1 | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->1080p 90in |- | <!--Description-->Umbolite Magcubic HIPPUS HY320 Mini | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->720p 100in |- | <!--Description-->Zentality A10 Plus | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->720p 110in |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->nexigo nova mini | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->nebula mars 3 | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->epson lifestudio flex plus portable projector | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->dangbei freedo | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->benq gv50 | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} Unless your computer uses a Firewire chipset manufactured by Texas Instruments, FireWire interfaces are likely to act buggy. AROS is unlikely to ever support FireWire. Bluetooth is similarly unlikely to be ever supported due to huge cost to be certified. No, x86 PCMCIA card.resource at the moment. Writing card.resource would be a similar amount of work to writing a typical driver. However, it might be complicated by having to support a variety of PCMCIA-controller chipsets like TI PCI1225, PCI1410, PCI1420, 1450, PCIxx12 and O2, etc. m68k card.resource does not really have many higher level functions, most functions are really simple or poke Gayle registers directly. only exception is CopyTuple(). Amiga card.resource has one significant flaw: it's single-unit. would need card.resource and pccard.library. There was talk in the past of designing a new API for PCMCIA because card.resource only supports one slot, but since most modern laptops only have one slot anyway, I think it might be worthwhile to implement card.resource as-is (at least as a first step). pccard.library would be trivial to port. So, a new API is needed. dd9wv7pkctmocpsmhyzrtaxkx5w0pfp 4654294 4654293 2026-07-13T11:22:26Z Jeff1138 301139 4654294 wikitext text/x-wiki Google translation into [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=de&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki%2FAros%2FPlatforms%2Fx86_support German], [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=fr&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki%2FAros%2FPlatforms%2Fx86_support French], [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=nl&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki%2FAros%2FPlatforms%2Fx86_support Dutch], [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=it&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki%2FAros%2FPlatforms%2Fx86_support Italian], [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=es&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki%2FAros%2FPlatforms%2Fx86_support Spanish], [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=hi&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki%2FAros%2FPlatforms%2Fx86_support Hindi], [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=zh-CN&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki%2FAros%2FPlatforms%2Fx86_support Chinese Simplified], [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=pl&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki%2FAros%2FPlatforms%2Fx86_support Polish], [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=ru&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki%2FAros%2FPlatforms%2Fx86_support Russian], {{ArosNav}} [[#Audio Chipsets]] [[#Graphic GFX Chipsets]] [[#Rough gfx comparison]] [[#]] ==x86 Native Environment== AROS should run on almost any i386 PC hardware so long as the CPU is newer than an i486, and has a "Floating Point Unit (FPU)". Ideally around 700Mhz and above with at least 256MB of memory is recommended for desktops and around 1GHz and at least 256MB for laptops/notebooks/netbooks. For web browsing, etc above 1GB is usually needed and offers the option to run web browsers, media players and other hard disk heavy usage from RAM: disk. Motherboards supported * Most Intel mobos are supported but additional pci / pci-e cards may be needed for networking, audio, etc * AMD based socket ryzen based systems work but additional pci / pci-e cards may be needed Supported graphics cards (gfx) * Nvidia 2D and 3D 2005-2015 64bit AROS Nouveau covers '''2D''' 8xxxgs and higher to GTX 9xx and '''3D''' from 8xxxGS to GTX9xx 32bit AROS supports '''2D''' from TNT to fermi gtx5xx and '''3D''' acceleration fx5xxx to gtx4xx * Intel GMA 2D and 3D 2006-2009 '''2D''' for many old netbooks and motherboards. '''3D''' for many early netbooks and motherboards * AMD/ATI 2D only and '''no 3D'''. 1999-2004 Desktop ie external monitor support only (no laptop internal support) for very early Radeon 7000 through to x600 * VESA 2D fallback modes for all graphic cards (GPUs) and with [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKCHZFYj9Kk screen dragging]. It's worth noting however that support isn't guaranteed. Nor will potential power of a card reflect its performance under AROS. Sound wise there are * HDaudio support for onboard intel and AMD netbooks, ultrabooks, notebooks and motherboards (2005 to 2020) * some AC97 codec support for very old motherboards and laptops (ie pre 2004) * PCI and some PCI-E C-Media CMI8738 for desktop plugin cards * PCI Creative Soundblaster EMU10K1 cards [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2512 SBLive] * PCI semi professional some early VIA Envy24 desktop sound cards * PCI Sound Blaster 128 aka SB16 Supported [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aros/Platforms/x86_Network_support network] which could be desktop, laptop, etc * PCI-E Realtek rtl8169 1GbE which also includes the rtl8111 and rtl8110 (2011 to 2025) * PCI Realtek rtl8139 and includes rtl8101 and rtl8100 (2005 to 2009) * PCI intel e1000 (2006 to 2009) * PCI intel pro100 (2002 to 2005) * Broadcom 44xx 10/100 integrated in laptops around 2005 * VIA 10/100 (1999 to 2002) * 3com Etherlink 10/100 * Realtek rtl8029 10mbit Wireless wifi * atheros 5000 wireless *realtek 8187 usb It is very hard to recommend a completely supported motherboard because as soon as newer motherboards arrive so their features change subtly, often introducing non supported parts like ethernet and audio. It is a moving target. * mini-itx motherboard will only get you 1 pci or pci-e slot * micro mATX or uATX will have more, typically 2 pci-e or pci slots which helps if any onboard features are not supported. * full atx will have more slots available '''N.B''' It is frustrating when a piece of hardware is not supported. Hardware documentation can run to over 100 pages and a lot of hardware do not have any public documentation anyway. Chips from different manufacturers for sound, graphics, SATA, etc. vary just as much, unless they follow a standard such as [https://github.com/acidanthera/AppleALC/wiki/Supported-codecs HDAudio codecs], AHCI etc. Coding drivers is a far cry from Hello World programs or even a port of existing software. If you do actually want to try then get a hold of documentation on the relevant hardware and start there. Alternatively you could try to find some '''BSD''', MIT or MPL licence drivers as a point of reference. Please , do not think you can just adapt strings in a driver for different strings, it does not work that way. You will '''need''' to start from scratch for each new bit of hardware. Device driver programming require '''embedded''' skills, like manipulation of bits within registers, good debugging skills, dealing with interrupts, lots of patience, etc. The following specific chipsets and drivers are also available - use Tools/PCITool to confirm Vendor and Product IDs - Please let us know any mistakes or any information to be added, to this General Chat list on [https://arosworld.org/ AROS World] : Brief Timeline : 2000-12-06 HIDD first mouse.hidd completed ([http://msaros.blogspot.com/ Michal Schulz]) : 2001-03-31 BOOT first boot from floppy disk with IDE device : 2001-10-30 BOOT first cd bootable version : 2002-01-27 HIDD first pci.hidd added (Michal Schulz) : 2002-04-13 BOOT software HDToolBox added () : 2003-04-03 HIDD vesa2.hidd graphic modes added () : 2004-03-08 HIDD new pci and ata (pata) devices worked on (Michal Schulz) : 2004-03-17 HIDD nVidia 2D driver appears (Michal Schulz) : 2005-01-05 AHI AHI v6 audio system ported (Martin Blom) : 2005-01-06 AHI SBLive SoundBlaster Live driver ported (Georg Steger) : 2005-02-04 AHI AC97 playback only driver added (Michal Schulz) : 2005-06-27 NIC amiTCP stack ported with 3com, NE2000, prism2 drivers (Neil Cafferkey) : 2005-08-25 NIC nForce2 support added (Michal Schulz) : 2005-12-24 NIC Intel Pro100 network driver added (Neil Cafferkey) : 2006-03-25 HIDD ATI radeon 2D driver added (Michal Schulz) : 2007-03-06 HIDD vesa 1.0 video driver added (Pavel Fedin) : 2007-03-08 HIDD dospackets and FAT filesystem (Rob Norris) : 2007-03-21 HIDD usb initial commit (Michal Schulz) : 2007-10-01 BOOT Installer added (Neil Cafferkey) : 2007-11-29 PORT 64bit x86 added (Michal Schulz) : 2008-04-12 BOOT GRUB2 added (Alain Greppin and Nick Andrews) : 2008-08-26 NIC RTL8139 added ([http://kalamatee.blogspot.com/ Nick Andrews]) : 2008-10-22 PORT to SAM440ep (ppc) (Michal Schulz) : 2009-02-25 PORT to efika (ppc) (Michal Schulz) : 2009-05-18 HIDD poseidon usb2.0 stack ported to AROS (Chris Hodges) : 2009-11-18 NIC RTL8169 network driver arrived (Nick Andrews and [http://pagesperso-orange.fr/franck.charlet/oldnews.html Franck Charlet]) : 2009-12-23 AHI HDAudio based Atom CPU and netbook audio driver arrived (Davy Wentzler) : 2010-03-09 BOOT USB pendrive stick booting available (Neil Cafferkey) : 2010-05-26 HIDD Intel GMA900 2D graphics card support (Michal Schulz) : 2010-09-03 NIC Wireless PCI based NIC arrived (Neil Cafferkey) : 2011-04-30 HIDD Nvidia 2D and 3D nouveau graphics card support for Aros 32bit (Deadwood) : 2011-08-30 HIDD Radeon 2D enhanced AMD driver arrives (Bearsoft) : 2011-09-17 NIC Wireless USB realtek arrives (Neil Cafferkey) : 2011-12-09 HIDD Intel 945G 3D Gallium graphics support (Sami) : 2013-02-25 AHI AC97 VIA 686 audio support (Davy Wentzler and Neil Cafferkey) : 2013-03-31 PORT early Raspberry PI native support (Nik Andrews) : 2014-01-16 AHI Envy24 audio chipset support (Davy Wentzler and Neil Cafferkey) : 2017-02-17 PORT Symmetric MultiProcessing smp added for x86 64bit (Michal Schulz) : 2018-10-20 PORT Big Endian ARM : 2021-11-26 NIC Broadcom 44xx ethernet (Neil Cafferkey) : 2023-01-12 NIC Nvidia MCP61 ethernet (Neil Cafferkey) : 2025-11-23 HIDD xHCI USB3 and isoc (Nik Andrews) : 2026-07-25 HIDD Nouveau nvidia for Aros 64bit (Deadwood) [[#top|...to the top]] ===Audio Chipsets=== '''If sound beeps in AHI prefs after Music set then some support is there. Select more than one channel for multiple audio streams, set frequency up to 44 kHz or higher and set the volume if not already set. Ensure you set the music unit 0 to 3 which allows the extra features of the audio card like microphone, line-out, etc).''' ====1996-2000 sb128.audio aka SB16 PCI==== *2021 5.27 as per CREATIVE's website, the model number is the first two digits on the front and first two digits on the back. my card says CT4810 and 161TK110B 995; this translates to CT4816 as the model. The original AudioPCI 3000 card with the ES1370 had a master clock crystal for 44.1 kHz (22.5792 MHz), used an AKM codec (AK4531, non-AC97) and had 4 channel output; Creative later modified the design with a crystal for 48 kHz (24.576 MHz) and Sigmatel AC97 codec (a CT4700 SB128 with a CT5507 chip, AK4531, 22.5792 MHz crystal and TDA7360 speaker power amp). The issue with these cards involved never quite eliminate the effects of resampling on the 64V, it also shows signs of undersized coupling caps. These Ensoniq cards automatically engaged headphone amplifier (with a 4565 opamp). Porting involved [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/b60abd12967144a844980c422ea9e99c056eabca 40897], [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/b7d6511fca6430a63fbaaa390b4f51bf0203a460 40898 configure], [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/f51034cd22759a4ec3a2547bddb3a7169d956eaa 40900 bugs], [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/4f43fc38e3489ea45d12b7b5ba6fff50b69c5746 40901 further bugs], [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/d23c78aec75f049484b6916d27b6804ce858bb2c 40913 memory IO fixes], [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/d256860fe3035016952e88d143c6f2611997f2f3 40914 irq fix]. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Description ! width="10%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Playback ! width="10%" |Recording ! width="35%" |Comments |- | Ensoniq AudioPCI 1000 | 0x1274 | 0x5000 | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested - es1370 (u?) AK4531 (u?) |- | Ensoniq AudioPCI | 0x1274 | 0x5000 | 0x00 | {{yes}} | {{maybe}} | |- | CT4700 Sound Blaster PCI 64 (audioPCI 3000) | 0x1274 | 0x5000 | 0x7c | {{yes}} | {{maybe}} | works - opamp JRC4565(u?) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ensoniq_ES1370 es1370] (u?) |- | CT4750 Sound Blaster 64/PCI | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested - 4565-1056W (u1) stac9708t(u2) [http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=916891 ct5880-dcq] (u3) 24wc012 (u4) |- | CT4751 (SB128PCI) | 0x1274 | 0x8001 | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_Blaster#Ensoniq_AudioPCI-based_cards es1371] (u?) |- | CT4810 Creative AudioPCI64V | 0x1274 | 0x1371 | 0x06 | {{yes}} | {{maybe}} | works |- | CT4811 (SB Vibra 128) | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested |- | CT4812 (Vibra 128) | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested |- | CT4813 | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested |- | CT4815 | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested |- | CT4816 es1373 (vibra 128) | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested but this card has creative's ES1373 as the main chip(U1). it is also different from the other CT4810 (vibra128) in that it does not have a second chip in U2 position. Also there is only one jumper JP1 (2X3). |- | CT5801 HP | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested - es1373 (u3) |- | CT5803 Gateway | 0x1274 | 0x1371 | 0x08 | {{yes}} | {{maybe}} | works 4565-0005b jrc (u1) 4297a-jq ztae0c0002 (u2) es1373 (u3) |- | CT4740 | 0x1274 | 0x1371 | 0x08 | {{yes}} | {{yes}} | |- | CT5805 Compaq OEM Premier Sound Presario 7 | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested - es1373 (u3) |- | CT5806 (Sound Blaster AudioPCI 128D) | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested - 4297A-JO EP (u?) ZTAPWC9933 (u2) es1373 (u3) |- | CT5807 Dell OEM Dimension 8100 | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested - es1373 (u?) |- | CT5808 | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested |- | CT4730 Sound Blaster AudioPCI 64V Ectiva EV1938 | 0x1102 | 0x8938 | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested |- | CT5880 on various motherboards | 0x1274 | 0x5880 | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested [http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mainboards/display/ga-6rx.html Gigabyte GA-6RX] (VIA ApolloPro 266 2001], Gigabyte GA-6VM7-4E mobo, [http://active-hardware.com/english/reviews/mainboard/ga-7vtx.htm Gigabyte GA-7VTX] (KT266 2001), Gigabyte [http://www.amdboard.com/gigabytega7vtxh.html GA-7VTXH] (KT266A 2001), [http://www.amdboard.com/gigabytega7vrxp.html Gigabyte 7VRXP] mobo (KT333 2002), MSI MS-6309, MS-6318, MS-6337 (815E Pro), MS-6339 (850Pro) and MS-6340, PCChips Motherboard M571 TXPRO, Soltek SL-65ME+, |- | VMware Virtual Workstation(TM) | 0x1274 | 0x1371 | 0x02 | {{Yes|but not Hi-Fi modes}} | {{maybe}} | works |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} <pre> Revision 0x04 = ES1371 REV_ES1373_A Revision 0x06 = ES1371 REV_ES1373_B Revision 0x07 = ES1371 REV_CT5880_A Revision 0x02 = CT5880 REV_CT5880_C Revision 0x03 = CT5880 REV_CT5880_D Revision 0x04 = CT5880 REV_CT5880_E Revision 0x09 = ES1371 REV_ES1371_B Revision 0x00 = EV1938 REV_EV1938_A Revision 0x08 = ES1371 REV_ES1373_8 </pre> ====1999-2001 via-ac97.audio==== *2021 5.10 {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Description ! width="10%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Playback ! width="10%" |Recording ! width="35%" |Comments |- | <!--Description-->694X with 686A KT133 PM133 or 693A with VT8231 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1106 | <!--Product ID-->0x3058 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes| }} redirects earphones correctly | <!--Recording-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Comments-->audio controller works but depends on the underlying invisible codec used see AC97 section |- | <!--Description-->686B KT133A with VT8231 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1106 | <!--Product ID-->0x3058 | <!--Revision-->0x50 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes|}} reroutes ear pieces right | <!--Recording-->{{Yes|}} | <!--Comments-->audio controller works but depends on the underlying codec used see AC97 section below |- | <!--Description-->686C | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1106 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->KM266 or KT266 with VT8233, KT266A with VT8233A, VT8233C | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1106 | <!--Product ID-->0x3059 | <!--Revision-->0x10 | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->KM333 KT333 with VT8235 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1106 | <!--Product ID-->0x3059 | <!--Revision-->0x30 | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->KM400 KT400 with VT8237, KT600 with VT8237R, | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1106 | <!--Product ID-->0x3059 | <!--Revision-->0x40 0x50 0x60 | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====1998-2003 emu10kx.audio - Creative Labs SoundBlaster Live! and Audigy==== *2021 6.5 {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Description ! width="10%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Playback ! width="10%" |Recording ! width="35%" |Comments |- | PCI512 CT4790 (emu10k1) | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x0 | <!--Playback--> {{unk}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | untested (1st Gen) |- | Live CT4620 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x0 | <!--Playback--> {{unk}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | untested |- | Live CT4760 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x07 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | playback works |- | Live Value CT4670 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x0 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | works plays stereo (2nd Gen) |- | Live Value DELL CT4780 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x06 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | plays/records stereo - untested 4.1mode |- | Live Value Compaq CT4830 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x0 | <!--Playback--> {{Maybe}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | not working |- | Live Value CT4831 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x00 | <!--Playback--> {{unk}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | untested |- | Live Value CT4832 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x07 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{partial|Line-In only}} | works |- | Live Value CT4832 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x08 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{maybe}} | works |- | Live Value HP CT4870 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{maybe}} | Works |- | Live Value Gateway CT4871 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | | <!--Playback--> {{unk}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | untested |- | Live! Platinum 5.1 SB0060 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x00 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{yes}} | plays audio/records, untested 5.1 (3rd Gen) |- | Live 5.1 SB0100 -SFF | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x00 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{maybe}} | works |- | Live 5.1 Player SB0220 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x0a | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{yes}} | plays audio/records stereo, untested 5.1 |- | Live 5.1 Digital SB0228 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x0a | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{yes}} | working |- | Audigy SB0090 (emu10k2) | 0x1102 | 0x0004 | | <!--Playback--> {{unk}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | untested |- | <!--Description-->Audigy SB0230 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1102 | <!--Product ID-->0x0004 | <!--Revision-->0x03 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Yes|Mic only}} | <!--Comments-->5th Dec 2012 - untested optical tos link. contains also IEEE1394/Firewire (untested) |- | Audigy 2 Platinum 6.1 SB0240 SB0250 EMU10K2.5 | 0x1102 | 0x0004 | 0x04 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{maybe}} | works |- | Audigy 2 PRO SB0280 EMU10K2.5 | 0x1102 | 0x0004 | | <!--Playback--> {{unk}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | untested |- | Audigy 2 ZS SB0350 | 0x1102 | 0x0004 | 0x04 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{yes}} | |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | Live 5.1 DELL SB0200 SB0203 emu10kx | 0x1102 | 0x0006 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | |- | Live 24bit SB0410 | 0x1102 | 0x0007 | 0x | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | Live 24bit DELL SB0413 | 0x1102 | 0x0007 | 0x | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | Audigy LS SB0310 | 0x1102 | 0x0007 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | Audigy SE 7.1 SB0570 | 0x1102 | 0x0007 | | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | Audigy 2 ZS SB0320 SB0360 (PRO) | 0x1102 | 0x0008 | | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | Audigy 2 VALUE SB0400 | 0x1102 | 0x0008 | | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | Audigy 4 VALUE SB0610 | 0x1102 | 0x0008 | | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | Audigy 4 PRO SB0380 | 0x1102 | 0x0008 | | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | EMU E-MU 0404 PCI (not USB) EM8852 | 0x1102 | 0x000 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver but linux support needs firmware |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} the green jack is for the main speaker pair AND headphones, so manual switching will be required If your card is wired for the "AC97" standard, then it's up to your headphone jack to switch the green speaker output in and out the headphone jack has Normally-closed contacts that will open on insertion, which breaks the signal path back to the sound card (FP_RETURN) ====2000-2010 cmi8738.audio - C-Media==== *2021 5.20 ;Read [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2512 more] and imported on [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/aff741d60160c6a9d7d39c9e004a25ea3aa13847 20th July 2011] and [http://alsa.opensrc.org/Cmipci alsa docs]. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Description ! width="10%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Playback ! width="10%" |Recording ! width="35%" |Comments |- | Audiotrak MAYA EX5 | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | cmi8738-sx 4ch | 0x13f6 | 0x0111 | 0x10 | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | e3dx hsp56 CMedia 8738-sx 4ch | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | EDio SC3000D 6ch | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Genius SoundMaker Value PCI C3DX | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Guillemot Maxi Sound Muse | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Hercules Gamesurround Muse LT | 0x13f6 | 0x0111 | 0x10 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{no}} | |- | Hercules Gamesurround Muse XL LT 5.1 | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Inno audio extreme 5.1 cmi8738/lx pci 6ch | 0x13f6 | 0x0111 | 0x | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | M-Audio (Midiman) DiO 2448 | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Sabrent SBT-SP6C 6ch | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | StarTech PCISOUND4CH 8738sx 4ch | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Sweex SC012 CMI8738-lx 4ch | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Terratec 5.1 PCI | 0x13f6 | 0x0111 | 0x10 | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Terratec Aureon Fun 5.1 | | | | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | Has SPDIF |- | Trust Sound Expert Digital Surround 5.1 (cm8738-mx 6ch) | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Turtle Beach Riviera CMI8738-MX 6ch | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | XSonic CMI 8738 6ch | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->CMI8738 6ch PCI-E PCI Express version | <!--Vendor ID-->0x13f6 | <!--Product ID-->0x0111 | <!--Revision-->0x10 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes|}} | <!--Recording-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--Comments-->Chinese based card with playback tested so far |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====2001-2005 ac97.audio==== *6.4 27-12-2008 The AC97 chips were designed to be pinout interchangeable so that the sound support could change easily and quickly without motherboard redesigns the green jack is for the main speaker pair AND headphones, so manual switching will be required If your card is wired for the "AC97" standard, then it's up to your headphone jack to switch the green speaker output in and out, the headphone jack has Normally-closed contacts that will open on insertion, which breaks the signal path back to the sound card (FP_RETURN) The ProductID and VendorID are for the audio controller only - the important additional codec is '''NOT''' so easily identified. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Description ! width="10%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Playback ! width="10%" |Recording ! width="35%" |Comments |- | <!--Description-->Avance Logic (now Realtek) ALC100 and ALC101 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->ALC200 and ALC201 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->ALC201A and ALC202 and ALC202A codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->ALC650 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->most Nforce2 boards plays audio only - Abit NF7, Asus A7N8X, MSI K7N2, Epox 8RDA+, DFI |- | <!--Description-->ALC850 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->no support for via P4P800 chipset on ASUS A8V-E SE Deluxe mobo - ICaros 1.3 |- | <!--Description-->Realtek ALC653 codec and ALC655 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested Acorp 7NFU400 |- | <!--Description-->Realtek ALC658 codec ALC658D | <!--Vendor ID-->0x8080 | <!--Product ID-->0x24c5 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes|Prefs Music and Units 0-3 set volume control - playback}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->MSI Motherboard on NB 22-09-2012 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->AD1881 SoundMAX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments-->Analog Devices first AC97 |- | <!--Description-->AD1881A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Yes}} | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments-->works with VIA Controller - untested Intel etc |- | <!--Description-->AD1881B | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->AD1885 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->Playback only with issues on D845HV but not working on MS-6367 because Units 0-3 have masked volume control |- | <!--Description-->AD1886 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->AD1887 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ADI AD1888 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments--> Icaros 1.51 |- | <!--Description-->AD1980 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->AD1981A codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested IBM X30 |- | <!--Description-->Analog Devices SoundMax(TM) AD1981B codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->plays back only on IBM T41 Thinkpad |- | <!--Description-->AD1985 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->not working ahi prefs freezes on D865GLC mobo ([http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/multimedia/display/int-sound2_3.html ] |- | <!--Description-->AD1986 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested [http://uk.ts.fujitsu.com/rl/servicesupport/techsupport/Boards/Motherboards/Fujitsu/D1931/D1931.htm D1931] but works (Acer Aspire 3610 laptop) |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->Crystal Semiconductors CS4205, CS4202 codecs | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Cirrus Logic CrystalWare 4236 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Cirrus Logic CrystalClear SoundFusion CS4297 CS4299 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested IBM T23 |- | <!--Description-->conexant Cx20468-31 codec (id 30) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x103c | <!--Product ID-->0x3085 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No|AC97 appears in AHI Prefs}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->Tested AspireOS 1.8 on Gateway W322 |- | <!--Description-->ESS Technology ES1921 AC'97 2.1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->CMI 6501 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested on ASROCK SKT-AM2 AM2NF3-VSTA |- | <!--Description-->codec CMI9738 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->codec CMI9739 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->C-Media CMI 9739A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments--> untested on EPoX 8RDA3+ |- | <!--Description-->CMedia CMI 9761A codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested ASRocK K7NF2-RAID |- | <!--Description-->C-Media CMI9880 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->National Semi conductor (now TI) LM4540, LM4543, LM4545, LM4546, LM4548, LM4549, LM4550 LM4560 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->STAC9708T codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->SigmaTel (now IDT) C-Major STAC 9460 (D/A only), 9461, 9462, 9463, 9200, 9202, 9250, 9251, 9220, 9221, 9223, 9750 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->AKM (Asahi Kasei Microsystems) AK 4540, 4543, 4544A, 4545 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->codec VT1616 (VIA Six-TRAC Vinyl Audio) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->VIA VT1612, VT82C686 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ESStech ESS ES1968 maestro-2 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x125d | <!--Product ID-->0x1968 | <!--Revision-->0x | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ESStech ESS ES1978 maestro2e | <!--Vendor ID-->0x125d | <!--Product ID-->0x1978 | <!--Revision-->0x | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ESStech ESS ES1988 maestro3 allegro-1 codec | <!--Vendor ID-->0x125d | <!--Product ID-->0x1988 | <!--Revision-->0x12 | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Yamaha AC97 ymf-743 YMF752 YMF753 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested ymf-753 |- | <!--Description-->YMF724 YMF744 YMF-754 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | SIS 7018 / Trident 4dwave DX/NX / ALi 5451 | 0x1039 (0x1023 Trident) | 0x7018 (0x2000 Trident DX) (0x2001 Trident NX) | 0x02 | <!--Playback-->{{No}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | no support - introduced early 2000s |- | SIS 7012 | 0x1039 | 0x7012 | | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | working through 1 speaker only took over from SIS7018 (2002 onwards) |- | <!--Description-->Wolfson (now Cirrus Logic) WM9701, WM9701A (AC'97 1.03 spec), WM9703, WM9704 (AC'97 2.1), WM9705, WM9706, WM9707, WM9708 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->WM9709, WM9710, WM9711, WM9712, WM971 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments-->first Microsoft(TM) Xbox DAC sound chip (AC Link compliant D/A converter) |- | <!--Description-->Wolfson WM9717 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | Parallels | | | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | untested |- | VirtualBox | | | | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | working |- | VirtualPC | | | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | untested |- | <!--Description-->Intel 82801AA Proxmox | <!--Vendor ID-->0x8086 | <!--Product ID-->0x | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====2005-20xx HDAUDIO.audio==== *6.36 2025 [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/43b33a9280b10963ca659de2cc3d1cf289b43a87 reset handler] *6.35 202 [] *6.34 2019 AROS One 1.5 upwards *6.29 2018 *6.27 2017 update *6.25 2014 used for most Icaros 2.x *6.20 July 2012 *6.17 Nov 2011 *6.15 Jun 2011 *[http://www.clusteruk.com/SitePortalPage.aspx?siteid=1&did=109 6.13] Sep 2010 {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="5%" |Product ID ! width="5%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Playback ! width="10%" |Recording ! width="35%" |Comments |- | <!--Description-->ALC260 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC262 * ALC262-VD2-GR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->LQFP-48 |- | ALC268 codec | 0x | 0x | 0x | <!--Playback-->{{Yes|Version 6.17 Acer AOA110 and AOA150 netbooks), works (Dell Mini Inspiron 9 and 10v, }} | <!--Recording-->{{Yes|Version 6.17 remove QUERY and select 'Mic 1' as input. Tested with 6.15 as well using QuickRecord and AE 4.0.23 under Icaros 1.4.}} | <!--Comments-->AHI UNITS and Music are set to: hdaudio:HiFi 16 bit stereo++ / Frequency 48000 Hz, Volume +0.0 dB. The hdaudio.config in SYS:Prefs/Env-Archive is WITHOUT the QUERY-line. After changing and saving the config-file turn off and start again the computer. Switch from internal loudspeaker to headphone you must turn off the music before plug in the headphone-cable, otherwise there is no output on the socket. Back from line-out to internal speakers it is the same. |- | [http://blog.foool.net/wp-content/uploads/linuxdocs/sound.pdf Linux docs ALC269] * ALC269Q-GR * ALC269QSRS-GR * ALC269W-GR | 0x | 0x | 0x | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->TQFP 48 pin Power IC Chip From [https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/alsa-devel/patch/1408118123-15849-1-git-send-email-tiwai@suse.de/ ALC269 & co have many vendor-specific setups with COEF verbs, result in the codec stalling] |- | [http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=0321f8479fd670cd510f9912b1120fe7edcf2e07 ALC269VB] * ALC269Q-VB5-GR * ALC269Q-VB6-CG * ALC269Q-VB6-GR | 0x10ec | 0x0269 | 0x100004, 0x100100, 0x100202 | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe|some versions work}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> * v1 works Asus eee PC netbook 901/1000HA 1005HA/1008HA, 1001P, * v2 maybe working Lenovo S9 S10 S10-2 S10-3 under HDAudio version 6.13 * v3 maybe dell wyse 7010 |- | [http://alsa-project.org/db/?f=9c1746c5957b0ce72ff9cfffa312e97d14baf785 ALC269VC aka ALC3202] * ALC269Q-VC2-GR * ALC269Q-VC3-GR | 0x10ec | 0x0269 | 0x100203, | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe|some versions work}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->SMT SMD QFN-48 - * v1 unknown * v2 unknown * v3 x230, dell wyse, |- | ALC272 * ALC272-VA4-GR | 0x10ec | 0x0272 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | * works Acer AOD150 and Acer AOD250 works [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33755&forum=28#616910 Samsung NP-NC10], works Samsung NF210-A02] netbooks, |- | <!--Description-->ALC273 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC270 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC282 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1002 | <!--Product ID-->0x | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No|Version 6.17}} | <!--Recording-->{{No|Version 6.17}} | <!--Comments-->needs retest |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC660 ALC660-VD | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> * works asus F9s, F9e * untested asus w7j, M51SN, A6Tc, A8Sr, |- | <!--Description-->ALC661-GR (2011) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | ALC662 | 0x1043 | 0x82a1 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes|Version 6.17 if QUERY added to top of hdaudio.config}} | <!--Recording-->{{No|Version 6.17 not working for eee pc 900}} | * works Asus eee PC netbook 700/701/900, Atom 270 and 330 mobos, odd clicks (D410 NM10 PineTrail), |- | <!--Description-->[http://outpost.fr/rmaa/ALC663.htm ALC663] | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10ec | <!--Product ID-->0x0861 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No|Version 6.13}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->not bad output like headphone amp part of the codec actually works well but messed up by undersized coupling capacitors to actually support such a low impedance * not working Asus n50vn x71vn, |- | <!--Description-->ALC665 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC666 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC667 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC668 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC670 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->ALC880 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->some 915 and 925 chipset mobos |- | <!--Description-->ALC882M | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | Realtek ALC883 ALC883-GR ALC883D-GR ALC883DTS-GR ALC883DD-GR codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe|some early versions work }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk| }} | 2005 to 2007 HD Audio codec untested (Asus ), |- | Codec ALC885 | 0x10ec | 0x0885 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | ALC888 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | ALC888s * ALC888S-VD2-GR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} MSI Wind U90/U100, | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | LQFP-48 |- | ALC888b | 0x8086 | 0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | untested (D510 NM10 Dual Core PineTrail mobo), |- | ALC888-VD | 0x8086 | 0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | untested |- | ALC889A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes|works if QUERY added to the top of hdaudio.config in Prefs drawer/directory}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | ALC889 Gr | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} with crackles | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | ALC889 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | Tested with MSI H55 board |- | ALC887 ALC887-GR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | * working on ASUS P5KPL/EPU and Gigabyte GA-E350N-Win8 Rev1.0 |- | ALC887-VD-CG | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10ec | <!--Product ID-->0x0887 | <!--Revision-->0x100302 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} Subsystem Id: 0x1458a002 | |- | ALC887-VD | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10ec | <!--Product ID-->0x0887 0x1458 | <!--Revision-->0xa002 | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} index = 2 | ALC887 does not have any volume control ability on the mixer NIDs, so put the volume controls on the dac NIDs instead * working with intermittent corrupting pop popping skipping stuttering sound issues MSI 760GM-P23 (FX), * not working Gigabyte H61MA-D3V, AT3IONT-I Deluxe, |- | ALC887-VD2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | 3jacks |- | ALC887-VD2-GR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | ALC887- | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | ALC892-CG rev | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk| }} | 2011 48-pin LQFP Green package - |- | ALC892 ALC892-DTS-CG rev | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | 2009 introduced * works * not working * untested |- | ALC892 rev | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0x10ec | <!--Product ID-->0x0892 | <!--Revision-->0x100302 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk| }} | 2014 |- | Realtek ALC886-GR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk| }} | LQFP-48 |- | Codec ALC861 ALC861-VD | 0x10ec | <!--Product ID-->0x0663 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | * not working Toshiba Tecra A7 |- | <!--Description-->ALC1200 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | ALC898 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | not working |- | <!--Description-->ALC1500 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC aka ALC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC3232 (aka ALC292) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10ec | <!--Product ID-->0x0292 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC aka ALC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC3234 aka ALC255 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10ec | <!--Product ID-->0x0255 | <!--Revision-->003 | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC aka ALC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC3287 aka ALC257 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{yes| }} | <!--Recording-->{{no| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC aka ALC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC aka ALC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->AD1882 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->AD1883 HD Codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->AD1884 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Analog Devices SoundMAX AD1981 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0 | <!--Product ID-->0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | IBM Thinkpad T60, |- | AD1984 hp-m4 codec | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0 | <!--Product ID-->0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{No}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | * audio not working on Lenovo X61, Thinkpad T61, |- | AD1986 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0 | <!--Product ID-->0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | AD1988 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0 | <!--Product ID-->0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{No}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | <!--Description-->AD1988A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->Cirrus Logic CS4207 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0 | <!--Product ID-->0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | |- | <!--Description-->Cirrus Logic CS4208 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0 | <!--Product ID-->0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20549 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe|very very very low volume}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested Fujitsu Amilo SI 1510 1520 no datasheet for the general public |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20549-12Z codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested HP 530 |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20561 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> * working lenovo x200s * untested Lenovo Essential G555 Notebook, HP Pavilion dv6700, |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20582 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX2059x CX20590 CX20594-21Z codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20585 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> * working Lenovo Thinkpad T410, |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20672 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20671 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20751-21Z codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{yes| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX11852 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX11880 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Conexant after 2015 up to 2018 CX7501 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no|no driver codec}} | <!--Recording-->{{no|no driver codec}} | <!--Comments-->Conexant bought by synaptics 2019 |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->C-Media CMI9880 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->Gigabyte GA-8GPNXP |- | <!--Description-->Silicon Labs 3054 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | VIA 1708A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | untested, |- | VIA VT1708B | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | 0x0010 | <!--Playback-->{{No|VIA PicoITX}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | VIA 1708S | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | <!--Description-->VT2021 10ch | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments-->Gigabyte Z77MX-D3H, GA-H61M-S2H‎ S2P, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Creative CA0110-IBG | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->SigmaTel STAC 9220 9221 9223 8ch (7+1) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->ECS 945GCT/M-1333 (version 3.0), |- | IDT SigmaTec [http://explorer.cekli.com/articles/pdf/hd-audio STAC9227] /28/29/30 codec | <!--Vendor ID-->0x8384 | <!--Product ID-->0x7626 | <!--Revision-->0x0002 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | * works HP Compaq mini 110 * untested HP Pavilion HDX9000 CTO Notebook, Intel DG33TL mobo, Dell E520, Intel DP35DP mobo, Dell E6410 Laptop, |- | IDT (formerly SigmaTel) IDC STAC 9271/71D | <!--Vendor ID-->0x8384 | <!--Product ID-->0x7626 | <!--Revision-->0x0002 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | <!--Description-->IDC STAC 9272 9273 9274 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments-->Intel D5400XS, |- | <!--Description-->IDT 92HD73C | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{yes}} | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments-->headphones only Asus AT4NM10 mobo |- | <!--Description-->IDT 92HD75B | <!--Vendor ID-->0x111d | <!--Product ID-->0x7608 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> * working [http://koti.kapsi.fi/jvaltane/aros/hdaudio/ HP Compaq Mini 700 Netbook - feedback required] * untested HP Mini 5103 and 5102, HP Compaq 610, HP ProBook Laptop 4520s 4525s 6450b 6550b 6555b, HP EliteBook 2540p 2740p 8440p, Mobile Workstation 8540w 8740w, Pavilion NoteBook DV8, |- | <!--Description-->IDC 92HD81XX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->IDC 92HD83XX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->IDC STAC 92HD89XX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->IDC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->IDC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->IDC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->IDC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Wolfson (now Cirrus Logic) WM8850 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Wolfson WM8860 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments-->Intel High Definition Audio Revision 1.0. - 4-Channel DAC, 4-channel ADC. - DAC sampling |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} Using Prefs/AHI ensure you set the music unit and at least Units 0 (where most audio comes from) in top left drop down menu to HDaudio - HIFI in the section below. Set Units 1 or 2 to microphone or other outputs. Plus allow more than one channel for multiple audio streams and set frequency up to 44 kHz or higher on the right hand side of the ahi prefs. If sound beeps when you press the test button then all should be OK. Output <- Codec <- Audio Controller (HDA) <-> Computer codecs and exact hardware identifier. As mentioned above, HDA is only part of the work here, it gets the audio out of the main chipset in digital format (on a bus called I2S). This is not enough, there is another step needed which is routing that I2S signal to the output, converting it to actual audio, amplifying it, etc. This is handled by a separate chip called a "codec". Sometimes it is initialized by the BIOS, but this is not always the case. Most audio drivers are made up of two parts a [http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sound/alsa/HD-Audio.txt Controller + a Codec]. The ProductID and VendorID are for the audio controller only - the important additional codec is '''NOT''' so easily identified. Some newer versions of codecs are missing at the moment. Things to try if sound not working * try to connect something to the audio jack, maybe it is not playing on internal speakers or vice versa * make sure you try and select all music units e.g. unit0, unit1.... * even if PCI ID's are in Prefs/Env-Archive/HDaudio.config, this doesn't mean it is working, it is the codec that matters * it might be internally muted <pre> add debug=memory to grub boot line - continue booting with F10 Open a shell Tools/Debug/Bifteck > RAM:audio.txt </pre> or <pre> Open a shell Tools/Debug/Sashimi > RAM:audio.txt Run ahi prefs Click test tone button Stop sashimi with Ctrl-C </pre> If the boot sound is enabled, you have to use Bifteck to capture AHI debug output. In the GRUB menu, press E on your selected entry, then add "debug=memory" to the options (alongside ATA=, vesa= etc.). Then F10 or Ctrl-X to boot. Once booted, run Tools/Debug/Bifteck again. or * try adding QUERYD to the start of ENVARC:hdaudio.config file (also known as Prefs/Env-Archive/) ie. on the first line * '''OR''' try removing QUERY and QUERYD from the start of the hdaudio.config file * Reboot * open a shell * type: sys:tools/debug/sashimi > ram:debug.txt * open ahi prefs * select one of the audio modes - HIFI or otherwise * press the 'test sound' button * press ctrl-c in the shell * post the results to Aros-World The HD Audio standard was designed to be hardware pinout interchangeable so that the sound support could change easily and quickly. HDA is a standard around particular chips. Each kind of chip has a certain number of DACs and pins, and even the same chip could be hooked up in different ways on different motherboards. The chips are programmable and the operating system can adjust how things are routed. Some pins aren’t even hooked up, so it makes no sense to route sound to them. Also some pins have sensors that can tell when something is plugged in, so that for example the speakers in a laptop can be muted when headphones are plugged in. Pins are also grouped, so for example all the outputs for a 5.1 sound system are grouped. Generally the HDA driver in the operating system is supposed to read the pin set up and figure out a reasonable way to set things up, and disconnected pins should be ignored, etc. HDAudio standard has headphones on a separate DAC, and it's up to the driver.. it can even send different audio to the headphones without interrupting the main (green) outputs ====Envy24 series ==== A little history. VIA bought the ICE created Envy chipsets [http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/audio/controllers/comparison_controller.jsp VT1712] first. A few years later, they created several cheaper variants VT1724 (mixer missing), VT1721 (low end cut down), VT1720 (embedded on motherboard) and lastly the VT1723 (no support apart from Windows Envy24DT like SYBA SD-PEX63034). There are PCI Express versions appearing. The Envy24 is the base product that was originally designed by ICEnsemble, and it supports multi-channel hardware mixing, which is great for professional use. The HT version removes the hardware mixer (unimportant for non-professional uses). The [http://www.avsforum.com/t/364771/envy24ht-s-the-definitive-source HT-S] version is almost exactly the same as the HT, it just uses cheaper DACs. The PT version is exactly the same as the HT-S version, it is just the edition used for on-board audio on motherboards. N.B. [http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec04/articles/pcnotes.htm PCI slot identification] and [http://hsi.web.cern.ch/HSI/s-link/devices/s32pci64/slottypes.html 3.3v PCI]. =====[http://www.opensound.com/readme/README.Envy24.html envy24.audio] - [http://www.anime.net/~goemon/alsa/ VT1712] ===== {| class="wikitable" ! Description ! Vendor ID ! Product ID ! Revision ! Playback ! Recording ! Comments |- | M-Audio Delta 66 - Rev B 1999 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested AK4524VF CS8404A-CS - needs Delta Series break out box with D-sub lead - |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles/maudioaudiophile/index.html Audiophile 2496] Rev A 2000 | 0x14 | 0x | | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{unk| }} | works audio out on - I2S stereo codec AKM AK4528VF with the 24bit/96kHz DAC and ADC; CS8427 digital transceiver |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles/maudioaudiophile/index.html Audiophile 2496] Rev B 2003 | 0x14 | 0x | | <!--Playback-->{{Yes }} | <!--Recording--> | works well - I2S stereo codec AKM AK4528VF with the 24bit/96kHz DAC and ADC; CS8427 digital transceiver |- | M-Audio Delta 410 - 2001 2001 REV-B | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested for D-A AK4529VQ converters with CS8427-CS 5532 1158B or Event Echo Gina 20-Bit Multitrack Interface Breakout Box - |- | M-Audio Delta 1010 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested AK5383 and AK4393 - 25 pin dsub - |- | M-Audio Delta 1010LT 1010E | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested for D-A AK4529 converters with 2 XLR Microphone inputs with pre amps * be aware of redesign in 2007 - possible issues |- | M Audio Delta 44 - Rev A 2002 - Rev B 2003 - Rev D 2003 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested ICE1712G AK4524VF needs breakout box with 15 pin D-sub lead - |- | M-Audio Delta 66 Rev E 2006 - Omni Studio | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested needs break out box with 15 pin D-sub lead - |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio Delta DiO 2496 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Terratec EWX24/96 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/terratecdmx6fire/index.html TerraTec 6fire DMX 24/96] | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1412 | <!--Product ID-->0x1712 | <!--Revision-->0x02 | <!--Playback-->{{No|tried line 1-2 3-4 5-6 7-8 }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | untested - AKM and codec |- | <!--Description-->Terratec EWSA88MT | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | [http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-multimedia/2007-March/006087.html Audiotrak Prodigy HD2] 24/96 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Audiotrak (ESI) Maya 1010 1010L | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | EMU 1212M | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | EMU 1616M | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | <!--Description-->Terratec EWS 88MT EWS 88D | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Hoontech Soundtrack DSP 24 Soundtrack DSP 24 Value Soundtrack DSP 24 Media 7.1 Event Electronics EZ8 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Digigram VX442 Lionstracs Mediastation Terrasoniq TS 88 Roland/Edirol DA-2496 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} =====envy24ht.audio - VIA VT1724===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Description ! width="10%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Playback ! width="10%" |Recording ! width="35%" |Comments |- | ESI Juli@ | 0x3031 | 0x4553 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Yes}} | reported working years ago [http://envy24.svobodno.com/ Envy24HT-S] - AKM 4358 DAC - AKM 4114/4112 DIT |- | ESI Juli@ Ego Igo rev K | 0x3031 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | AK4358? DAC - AK4114 AK4112 DIT |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/multimedia/m-audio-revolution51.html M-Audio Revolution 5.1] | 0x1412 | 0x3631 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | reported working years ago but discontinued - (Envy24GT) - 3ch AKM 4358 DAC - ADC AKM 5365 - |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/m-audio-revolution71/index.html M-Audio Revolution 7.1] 24/192 | 0x1412 | 0x3630 0x1724 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | not working - illegal semaphore - 6ch ADC AKM AK4355 24-bit 192 kHz - 2ch DAC AKM AK4381 24-bit 192 kHz - ADC AKM AK5380 |- | Terratec Aureon Sky 5.1 | 0x153b | 0x1147 | 0x | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | untested - discontinued |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/terratec-aureon71/index.html Terratec Aureon Space 7.1] | 0x153b | 0x1145 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | untested - Wolfson WM8770 DAC, AC'97 codec SigmaTel STAC9744 |- | Terratec Aureon Universe 7.1 | 0x153b | 0x1153 (rev x) 0x1724 (rev3) | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | not working - semaphore error on rev 3 - DAC ADC |- | Terratec Phase 22 | 0x153b | 0x1150 | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | untested - Envy24HT-S - AK4524 |- | Terratec Phase 28 | 0x153b | 0x1149 | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | untested - Envy24HT-S - AK4524 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Playback | Recording | Revision | Comments |- | Audiotrak (ESI) Prodigy 7.1 | 0x4933 | 0x4553 | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | no driver - Wolfson WM8770 and AC'97 SigmaTel STAC9744 codec |- | Audiotrak (ESI) Prodigy 7.1 LT | 0x3132 | 0x4154 | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | no driver - |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/sound/audiotrak-prodigy192.html Audiotrak (ESI) Prodigy 192] 24/96 | | | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | no driver - STAC9460S codec |- | <!--Description-->Echo Layla 24/96 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | [http://www.bit-tech.net/custompc/labs/80752/hercules-gamesurround-fortissimo-4.html Hercules Gamesurround Fortissimo 4] | | | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | no driver - Wolfson WM8776 Codec and WM8766 DAC |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/multimedia/m-audio-audiophile192.html M-Audio Audiophile Delta AP 192k] | 0x1412 | 0x3632 | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | no driver - Stereo ADC AKM AK5385A 24-bit 192 kHZ - 8-channel DAC AKM AK4358 24-bit 192 kHz - AKM 4114/4112 DIT |- | ONKYO SE-150PCI | 0x160b | 0x0001 | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | no driver |- | <!--Description-->ESI Waveterminal 192x | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Quartet | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments--> - AKM 4114/4112 DIT |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====hdmiaudio.audio - hdmi no support==== {| class="wikitable" ! Description ! Vendor ID ! Product ID ! Revision ! Comments |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->ATI R6xx HDMI Audio codec support output | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1002 | <!--Product ID-->0x9840 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->Not detected |- | <!--Description-->NVidia HDMI | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Intel Series 6 CougarPoint HDMI codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Intel HDMI | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |} [[#top|...to the top]] ===Graphic GFX Chipsets=== [https://gallium.readthedocs.io/en/latest/systems.html PCIe based] graphic chipset is defacto on 64bit AROS and recommended on 32bit. AGP works on 32bit but faster transfers through the AGP slot are only available on a few supported motherboard chipsets * Faster AGP Working = SIS 650 board, Intel 865pe AGP slot on MSI 6788-050, * Not Supported = NForce2 chipsets, most Intel 815/820 chipsets, VIA chipsets, ALi chipsets, The fallback for all graphics modes is vesa if any native support does not work. There is a choice of very low resolution vga as the last resort 2D tests performed with [http://download.aros3d.org/software/gfxbench.zip gfxbench] in the shell type gfxbench > out.txt (40 seconds blank screen is part of the test), via FreeDoom via limit-removing engine like odamex, chocolate or vanilla doom -timedemo demo1 or doom2 -timedemo demo1, doom.exe -iwad doom2 -file mymap.wad, Duke DNRATE 640x480 windowed 3D tests performed with Demos/Mesa/ , Cube 1080p, Cube 2 windowed not fullscreen 1920 x 1025, Quake3 ~ cl_drawFPS 1, Xonotic , [http://shinh.skr.jp/sdlbench/showtestgl.cgi test gl], HDMI, DVI and DisplayPort monitors have a native resolution of 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p and up <pre> HDMI (licensing fee) 1.2 720p res. 1.3 1080 resolution 1.4 4K @ 30Hz 2.0 4K @ 60Hz 2.1 48Gbs for 4K @ 120Hz, 8K @ , VRR, etc 2.2 ultra96 </pre> <pre> DisplayPort (VESA introduced) 1.4 4K @ 60Hz 2.1 96Gbs for 4K @ 240Hz, 8K @ 120Hz. MST daisy chain multiple monitors, </pre> <pre> GPMI chinese standard 2.0 </pre> *OpenGL4 must have 64-bit floating point FP64 math support. The last revision opengl 4.6 (2017) on [https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/AMDGPU AMDGPU] RX 5000's / 6000s ([https://forum.batocera.org/d/7491-enable-opengl-46-and-vulkan-for-an-old-radeon-video-card RDNA] and Nvidia RTX might come to AROS) but Intel UHD, Iris Plus or Xe or Arc will not unless a developer wants the challenge - [https://docs.mesa3d.org/relnotes/20.0.0.html#mesa-20-0-0-release-notes-2020-02-19 Mesa 20.0.0] implements the OpenGL 4.6 API, but the version reported by glGetString(GL_VERSION) or glGetIntegerv(GL_MAJOR_VERSION) / glGetIntegerv(GL_MINOR_VERSION) depends on the particular driver being used and may report a lower version depending on each driver. Mesa 20.0.0 implements the Vulkan 1.2 API, but the version reported by the apiVersion property of the VkPhysicalDeviceProperties struct depends on the particular driver being used. *OpenGL3 last revision 3.3 (2011) *OpenGL2 nvidia-nouveau on Aros 32bit, *OpenGL1 intel gma950 on Aros 32bit and 64bit, ====vga.hidd==== {| class="wikitable" ! Description ! Vendor ID ! Product ID ! Revision ! Comments |- | | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | Generic VGA Driver, limited to 640x480 in 16 colours - no 3D support |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====vesa.hidd==== {| class="wikitable" ! Description ! Vendor ID ! Product ID ! Revision ! Comments |- | | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | 2D support for VBE1, VBE2 and VBE3 (most cards) - various resolutions and 24bit colour - no 3D support |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} [[#top|...to the top]] ====[[w:en:Intel GMA|Intel GMA]]==== DVI output is not supported at the moment. If having problems: * Ensure the latest version is being used. * Set GMA_MEM to 128 or 256 to test * Try the FORCEGMA ToolType for 2D, and try the FORCEGALLIUM ToolType for 3D acceleration after 2D is verified to work. ToolTypes should be applied to the Devs/Monitors/IntelGMA monitor icon. If still having problems: * At GRUB boot screen edit boot line and add option: debug=memory * Boot. * Use shell command: tools/debug/bifteck > RAM:debug.txt * And post [GMA MONITOR DETECTION] and other related debug lines {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="5%" |Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="5%" |Product ID ! width="3%" |Rev ! width="5%" |2D ! width="5%" |3D ! width="5%" |Analog Output ! width="5%" |Digital Output ! width="5%" |Laptop LCD ! width="30%" |Comments |- | 910GL 82910GL GMCH + ICH6 | 0x8086 | 0x2582 0x2592 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Unk}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | 910GML 82910 GML GMCH + ICH6 Mobile | 0x8086 | 0x2582 0x2592 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Unk}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | may need to add forceGMA to grub boot line to work |- | 915G 82915G GMCH + ICH6-M | 0x8086 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Unk}} | <!--3D-->{{Unk}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | |- | 915GL 82915GL GMCH | 0x8086 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Unk}} | <!--3D-->{{Unk}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | |- | 915GV 82915GV GMCH | 0x8086 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | HP DC5100 small form factor |- | 915GM GMA900 | 0x8086 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> {{Yes| }} | <!--3D--> {{Unk| tunnel gearbox }} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Yes}} | asus eee pc 900 |- | 915GMS | 0x8086 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> {{Yes| }} | <!--3D--> {{Unk| tunnel }} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Yes| }} | |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | [http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Graphics-Media-Accelerator-950.2177.0.html 945GU] - 133 MHz (Lake port for Intel A100 and A110) | 0x8086 | 0x2772 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> {{Yes| }} | <!--3D--> {{Unk| }} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | Fujitsu LifeBook U1010, |- | 945GMS - 166 MHz / 250 MHz (1.05V) | 0x8086 | 0x27a2 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> {{Yes| }} | <!--3D--> {{Unk| }} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Yes}} | Dell D430 |- | 945GSE - 166 MHz (for Atom) | 0x8086 | 0x27ae | 0x0 | <!--2D--> {{Yes| }} | <!--3D--> {{Yes|[http://www.x.org/wiki/GalliumStatus]}} | {{Yes}} | {{No|dvi port}} | {{Yes| }} | for atom motherboards and most 2008/2009 netbooks * 3D Works - AOA110 AOA150, Dell Mini 9, Samsung NC10, Toshiba NB100, |- | 945G 82945G GMCH + ICH7 | 0x8086 | 0x27a6 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Unk}} | <!--3D-->{{Unk}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | untested 2D and 3D |- | 945GC 82945GC MCH | 0x8086 | 0x27a6 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Unk}} | <!--3D-->{{Unk}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | untested 2D and 3D |- | 945PM | 0x8086 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | Dell D420, Compaq nc6400, |- | 945GMS - 250 MHz Calistoga | 0x8086 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> {{Yes}} | <!--3D--> {{Yes|most models}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Yes}} | * 3D Works Dell Latitude 2100, HP Compaq nc6320, Lenovo 3000, Lenovo T60, Samsung Q35, Dell D620, Dell D820, * 3D untested Toshiba Satellite L100-120, Toshiba Portege M400, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Unk}} | <!--3D-->{{Unk}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | GMA 3100 G31 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | works 2D but no 3D |- | GMA 3100 G33 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | works 2D but no 3D |- | [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_GMA GMA 3150] netbooks and nettops | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | works 2D but no 3D. no vga, dvi or hdmi output for nettops |- | <!--Description--> G965 | <!--Vendor ID--> 0x8086 | <!--Product ID--> 0x | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> Q965 | <!--Vendor ID--> 0x8086 | <!--Product ID--> 0x2992 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{No}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> Only tested with VGA output. |- | 965GM X3100 (500 MHz) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | some support 2D but no hardware 3D - could not get it to work with VGA or dvi output * untested Apple MacBook Air, Lenovo Thinkpad X300, Dell Inspiron 1525, Toshiba M9, |- | 960GM X3100 (400 MHz) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | |- | 965M X3100 (400 MHz) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | Dell D830, |- | 965PM ?? | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | Toshiba A9 works with limited 2D acceleration but no hardware 3D |- | GL965 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | works with limited 2D acceleration but no hardware 3D |- | GM965 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | works with limited 2D acceleration but no hardware 3D |- | GMA X3500 G35 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | works with limited 2D acceleration but no hardware 3D |- | <!--Description-->X4500M G41 G43 G45 (400Mhz) Mobile 4 Series | <!--Vendor ID--> 0x8086 | <!--Product ID--> 0x2a42 0x2a43 | <!--Revision-->0x07 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue--> {{No|}} | <!--Digital--> {{No|}} | <!--Laptop LCD--> {{Yes| VESA}} | <!--Comments-->works with limited 2D acceleration but no hardware 3D |- | <!--Description-->GMA 4500M HD (533 MHz) | <!--Vendor ID--> 0x8086 | <!--Product ID--> 0x | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->works with limited 2D acceleration but no hardware 3D |- | <!--Description-->GMA 4700M HD (640MHZ) | <!--Vendor ID--> 0x8086 | <!--Product ID--> 0x2a42 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->works with limited 2D acceleration but no hardware 3D |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====[http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix nouveau].hidd (nvidia pci, agp, pci-e desktop)==== PCIe based nvidia graphics (gfx 8xxx) are the base level for 64bit AROS but earlier models still has some support on 32bit AROS *Desktop, more likely hit rather than miss on early nvidia on Aros 32bit but on Aros 64bit ... *Laptop, limited support for '''very''' early non-optimus (i.e. just Nvidia gfx only so no Intel and nvidia gfx combinations on 32bit but on 64bit ...) Please note that the nouveau project is reverse engineering a nvidia graphics driver but takes time because of [https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ nVidia's closed firmwares], etc * 202 * 2026-07 - DEVS Nouveau.hidd Gallium.hidd Softpipe - LIBS Gallium GLU 20.0 Mesa OpenCL * 2011-10 - DEVS 6.11 Nouveau.hidd 7.4 Gallium.hidd 9.4 Softpipe - LIBS 2.3 Gallium 1.3 GLU 19.0 Mesa OpenCL 1.x * 2011-04 - DEVS 5.31 Nouveau.hidd 7.3 Gallium.hidd 9.3 Softpipe - LIBS 2.2 Gallium 1.1 GLU 18.0 Mesa OpenCL n/a Nouveau support for AROS is limited to OpenGL 2.1 compliance on 32bit even for modern GL4 capable GPUs but on 64bit ... On Aros 32bit OpenCL supports the NV50 (8000 9000) cards, less support in NVC0 fermi cards (300 upwards) On Aros 64bit ADoom3 graphic details ultra, benchmark while playing press the "`" key and type "Timedemo demo1" in the console {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="5%" | Graphic Card ! width="5%" | Aros 32bit 1024 x 768 ! width="5%" | Aros 32bit 800 x 600 ! width="5%" | Aros 32bit 640 x 480 ! width="5%" | Aros 64bit 1024 x 768 ! width="5%" | Aros 64bit 800 x 600 ! width="5%" | Aros 64bit 640 x 480 |- | NV50 Asus EN8400GS SILENT/P/512M PCIe (G98) || || || || || || |- | Gigabyte 8500GT 256M || 42,6 || 57,2 || 68,6 || || || |- | NV96 (G96) Geforce 9500GT 512M || 43 || 53 || 57 || || || |- | NV96 (G96) 9600GT || || || || || || |- | NVA3 (GT215) GT240 || || || || || || |- | NVA5 (GT216) Palit GT220 Sonic 512M || 39,7 || 55,8 || 63,7 || || || |- | NVA8 (GT218) gt210 || || || || || || |- | NVA8 (GT218) ION2 || 38,4 || 53,9 || 61,7 || Not Detected || Not Detected || Not Detected |- | NVC3 (GF106) GT440 GTS 450 || || || || || || |- | NVCF (GF116) NVC0 Fermi GTX 550Ti or GTS 450 v2 || || || || || || |- | NVC8 (GF110) 580GTX || N/A || N/A || N/A || || || |- | NVE0 Kepler GT630 || N/A || N/A || N/A || || || |- | NVE6 (GK106) Kepler GTX660 || N/A || N/A || N/A || || || |- | NVE7 (GK107) GTX 650 || N/A || N/A || N/A || || || |- | NV110 Maxwell GTX 750 || N/A || N/A || N/A || || || |- | NV126 (GM206) GTX950 || N/A || N/A || N/A || unk || unk || unk |- | NV160 family (Turing) GTX 1650 and RTX 2000 upwards with GSP firmware || N/A || N/A || N/A || unknown || unknown || unknown |- | HostGL Ryzen 5 4600H - Nvidia 1650 - Linux mint 21.1 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 150fps || 154fps || 155fps |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | width="5%" | Graphic Card | width="5%" | Aros 32bit 1024 x 768 | width="5%" | Aros 32bit 800 x 600 | width="5%" | Aros 32bit 640 x 480 | width="5%" | Aros 64bit 1024 x 768 | width="5%" | Aros 64bit 800 x 600 | width="5%" | Aros 64bit 640 x 480 |} {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="5%" | Description ! width="5%" | Vendor ID ! width="5%" | Product ID ! width="2%" | Rev ! width="5%" | 2D ! width="5%" | 3D ! width="5%" | Analog Output ! width="5%" | Digital Output ! width=40%" | Comments |- | <!--Description-->tnt1 (nv04) tnt2 (nv05) m64 value (1998) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--3D-->{{No|very slow}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | NV04 Riva TNT TNT2 Fahrenheit freezes on via motherboard chipset so rename agp.hidd in SYS:Devs/Drivers or Monitors |- | <!--Description-->tnt vanta lt (nv06) 1998 /9 | 0x10de | 0x002c | 0x15 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--3D-->{{No|slow}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | <!--Description-->Geforce 256 (nv10) (2000) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--3D-->{{No|slow }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | Geforce256 |- | <!--Description-->Geforce 2 Geforce 3 Geforce 4 (nv20) 2000 / 2 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--3D-->{{No|slow }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | works for some PCI and AGP Geforce2 Geforce3 Geforce4 |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | Geforce FX5200 nv34 (2003) | 0x10DE | 0x0322 0x | 0xA1 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Maybe|VGA15 }} | <!--Digital-->{{Maybe|DVI}} | NV30 GeForce 5 FX Rankine Hardware OpenGL 1.5 - slower than GF MX 4000 for 2D - max 1024 x768 * not working [https://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=92328&page=8 mobos with VIA chipsets 2018] * working (MSI 0x9174) the previous nouveau 5.x driver * Others work with 6.x series XFX PV-T34K-NA, ASUS V9520-X/TD |- | Geforce FX5500 (nv34) (2003) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | works |- | Geforce 5100 (NV34) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | Geforce FX 5200LE (NV34) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5200 Ultra | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | Geforce FX5600 (nv31) (2004) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | works |- | GeForce FX 5600 Ultra | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5600SE | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5600XT | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | Geforce FX5700 (nv36) (2004) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|some}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | |- | GeForce FX 5700VE | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5700 Ultra | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5700LE | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5800 (NV30) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5800 Ultra (NV30) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5900 (NV35) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5900 Ultra | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5900XT | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5900ZT | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5950 Ultra | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | Geforce 5xxx | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | Geforce 6200 (nv44) (2005) | 0x | 0x00F3 0x014F | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|5.28 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| use 5.28}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes|VGA15 and s-video - plain 4pin cable lead will work with 7pin}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | NV40 GeForce 6 GeForce 7 Curie AGP Hardware OpenGL 2.1 needing previous 5.x version as regression arose 2011-10 |- | Geforce 6200 (nv44a) (2006) | 0x | 0x0221 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|5.28 Pixel Text }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes|VGA15}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | Hardware OpenGL 2.1, PCI version tested OK in 2014-01-02 - Icaros 1.5.2 * not working *working |- | GeForce 6200 with Turbo Cache (NV43) | 0x | 0x0161 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | |- | GeForce 6200SE with Turbo Cache (NV44) | 0x | 0x0162 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | Geforce 6200 LE | 0x10de | 0x0163 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | PCI-E |- | GeForce 6600 LE | 0x | 0x00F4 0x0142 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6600 | 0x | 0x00F2 0x0141 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | 2006 PureVideo HD 1 or VP1 re-used the MPEG-1/MPEG-2 decoding pipeline from FX |- | Geforce 6600gt (nv4x) (2005) | 0x | 0x00F1 0x0140 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | OpenGL tests - |- | Geforce 6800 (nv40) (2005) | 0x | 0x0041 0x00C1 0x00F0 0x0211 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6800 XE (NV4x) | 0x | 0x0043 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6800 LE | 0x | 0x0042 0x00C2 0x0212 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6800 GT (quadro fx 1400) | 0x | 0x0045 0x0046 0x0215 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce 6800 GS | 0x | 0x0047 0x00C0 0x00F6 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6800 GTS NV40 | 0x | 0x0040 0x0F9 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce 6800XT | 0x | 0x0044 0x0048 0x00C3 0x0218 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6600 VE | 0x | 0x0143 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6500 NV44 | 0x | 0x0160 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6250 | 0x | 0x0169 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce 6xxx | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | GeForce 7800 GTX | 0x | 0x0090 0x0091 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| tunnel gearbox cube cube2 25}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> 256MB DDR3 - 1 6pin psu connector - * not working asus en7800gtx/2dhtv/256m/osp/a - * Works XFX PV-T70F-UDD7 Works in steve jones' scrap pc aros build 2010 2 DVI-I ports * Untested |- | GeForce 7800 GT | 0x | 0x0092 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce 7600gt (G8 ) (nv4 ) (2006) | 0x | 0x02E0 0x0391 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> OpenGL 2.1 * not working * working |- | GeForce 7800 SLI | 0x | 0x0095 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7900 GTX | 0x | 0x0290 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7900 GT GTO | 0x | 0x0291 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7900 GS | 0x10de | 0x0292 | 0x0a1 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> * not working * Works with a few glitches with XFX Pine 0x2218 |- | GeForce 7950 GX2 | 0x10de | 0x0293 0x0294 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7950 GT | 0x | 0x0295 0x02E4 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7900 GS | 0x | 0x02E3 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7600 GS | 0x | 0x02E1 0x0392 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7650 GS | 0x10de | 0x0390 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7600 LE | 0x10de | 0x0394 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce 7800GS (G8 ) (nv4 ) (2006) | 0x10de | 0x0093 0x00F5 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> * not working * works if AGP motherboard chipset is supported - Hardware OpenGL 2.1 |- | GeForce 7100 GS | 0x10de | 0x016A | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Pixel Text}} | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7350 LE | 0x10de | 0x01D0 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce 7300le (G8 ) (nv4 ) (2006) | 0x10de | 0x01D1 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7300SE 7200GSGF-7200GS-N-B1 variant (G72) | 0x10de | 0x01D3 | 0x0a1 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk|1x DVI, 1x VGA, 1x S-Video}} | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->2007 40W pci-e 1.0 VP1 no unified shaders - * not working Asus on via chipset (2015), * works Asus on intel chipset (2015), |- | Geforce 7300gt (G8 ) (nv4 ) (2006) | 0x10de | 0x0395 0x0393 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> * not working * works |- | GeForce 7300 GS | 0x10de | 0x01DF | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7500 LE | 0x10de | 0x01DD | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce 7xxx | 0x10de | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | GeForce 8800 Ultra (NV50 family) | 0x10de | 0x0194 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->NV50 GeForce 8 to GeForce 200s opengl 3.x - max res - 80nm technology - PureVideo HD 2 or VP2 Nvidia VDPAU Feature Set A (absent from ultra and some 8800gt?) added a dedicated bitstream processor (BSP) and enhanced video processor for H.264, VC-1 acceleration |- | Geforce 8800gts (nv50) (G8x) (2007) | 0x10de | 0x0400 0x0600 0x0193 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2007 200w openGL3 openCL - 2x6pin psu * not working 0x0193 models (2015) on via chipsets, * works |- | Geforce 8800gtx (nv5 ) (G8x) (2007) | 0x10de | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{no| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2008 200W 1x 6pin connector, * not working * working * untested XFX PV-T88P-YDF4, Alpha Dog Edition runs extremely hot - Gigabyte GV-NX88T512H, |- | GeForce 8800 GT | 0x10de | 0x0602 0x0611 0x0193 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->DVI up to 2500 x 1600 | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - 6pin psu power connector required * not working * untested Asus EN8800GT/HTDP/256M EN8800GT/HTDP/512M EN8800GT/G/HTDP/512M * works |- | GeForce 8800 GT (G92) | 0x10de | 0x0611 | 0x0a2 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue-->{{N/A}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes}} | <!--Comments--> opengl 3 pci-e 2.0 8800GT 512MB on Icaros 2.0.3 [[File:8800GT aros heads.png|thumb|8800GT]] [[File:8800GT aros tails.png|thumb|8800GT detail]] |- | Geforce 8600gt (nv5 ) (G8x) (2007) | 0x10de | 0x0401 0x0402 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - max res * not working * works |- | GeForce 8500 GT G86 based chipset | 0x10de | 0x0421 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|32bit and 64bit}} | <!--3D-->{{yes|32bit and 64bit}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> OpenGL tests - max opengl 3.x but 2.1 offered on Aros 32bit and * works Gigabyte 8500 GT, * not working |- | GeForce 8800 GS | 0x10de | 0x0606 0x060D | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - max res |- | GeForce 8600GS | 0x10de | 0x0403 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> openGL 3.x VP3 offers complete hardware-decoding for all 3 video codecs of the Blu-ray Disc format: MPEG-2, VC-1, and H.264 - Nvidia VDPAU Feature Set B |- | GeForce 8300 GS | 0x10de | 0x0423 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - max res |- | Geforce 8400gs G98GS (end 2007) GT218 (2009) * Rev2 with 8/16 cores and 128-512MB of DDR2 or GDDR3 memory. * Rev3 with 8 cores and 512MB-1GB of DDR3 memory (based on Tesla 2.0) | 0x10de | 0x0424 0x0422 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| tunnel 490 gearbox 505 Cube 135 Cube2 55 quake3 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes|works digital part of DVI but nothing from any display port}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|output on digital 24 pin array of DDWG's DVI and hdmi}} | <!--Comments-->2009 50W openGL 3.1 openCL - case single slot - one single-link DVI digital output, supporting up to one 1920x1080 resolution display - analog resolution 640 x 480 to 1024 x 768 16 and 24 bit color - [http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nouveau_comp_2011&num=19 runs a little hotter than expected] - G98 VP3 pci-e 2.0 512MB DDR2 - * not working * works Asus EN8400GS SILENT/P/512M PCIe (G98), |- | Geforce 8400gs (nv50) (G86) (mid-2007) * Rev1 with 16 cores / 256MB of DDR2 memory. | 0x10de | 0x0404 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| tunnel 490 gearbox 505 Cube 135 Cube2 55 quake3 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes|works but not tested thru 4 pins of analog signal of DVI plug}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|output on digital 24 pin array of DDWG's DVI and hdmi}} | <!--Comments-->2008 50W openGL 3.1 openCL - case single slot - one single-link DVI digital output up to 1920x1080 resolution display - analog resolution 640 x 480 to 1024 x 768 16 and 24 bit color - [http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nouveau_comp_2011&num=19 runs a little hotter than expected] - G86 VP2 128MB - * not working XFX PV-T86S-YAJG NVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS 512MB DDR2, Sparkle 8400GS 512MB SX84GS512D2L-DPP, * works Asus EN8400GS SILENT/HTP/256M SILENT/HTP/512M/A, |- | GeForce 8400 SE | 0x10de | 0x0420 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> openGL 2.x openCL |- | NVidia Quadro NVS290 DMS-59 | 0x10de | 0x0403 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{no| }} | <!--3D-->{{no| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk|DMS-59 socket}} | <!--Digital-->{{unk|DMS-59 }} | <!--Comments-->2008 21W - G86S (G86-827-A2) - 16 shading units, 8 texture mapping units, and 4 ROPs. NVIDIA has paired 256 MB DDR2 - PCIe 1.0 x16 Low Profile - |- | Geforce Quadro FX 4600 (SDI), 5600 | 0x10de | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Partial|VESA 2d}} | <!--3D-->{{no| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{partial| }} | <!--Digital-->{{partial| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | GeForce 9800 GX2 (NV50 family) | 0x10de | 0x0604 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Partial|VESA }} | <!--3D-->{{no| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Partial| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2009 150w - 65nm technology |- | GeForce 9800 GTX | 0x10de | 0x0612 | 0x0a2 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->2009 2x6pin psu - * not working xfx on via chipset (2015), * works xfx on chipset intel , |- | GeForce 9800 GTX+ | 0x10de | 0x0613 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - max res 2560 x 1920 - case dual slot - 26amp 12v rail on computer psu if 2x6pin connectors needed - 55nm version of the G92 chip - will not work with PCI-e 1.0a slots - * not working * works on a few models |- | Geforce 9800gt (nv50) (G92a) (2008) | 0x10de | 0x0614 | 0x0xa2 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| tunnel 495 gearbox 513 Cube 156 Cube2 120 Quake3 }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{partial| DVI}} | <!--Comments--> OpenGL 3.1 openCL 1.x - case dual slot - 600w 26amp on both 12v rails for 2x6pin psu on gfx card - no fan control - some come with 1x6pin - renamed version of the venerable GeForce 8800 GT - randomly works * not working Gainward 512M untested * working Gainward CardExpert (0x0401) Green Edition NE39800TFHD02-PM8D92 1024MB (no 6pin) |- | Geforce gf9600 9600gt (nv5 ) (G9x) (2008) | 0x10de | 0x0622 | 0x0a1 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| tunnel 493 gearbox 675 Cube Cube2 100 Quake3 }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Yes| DVI}} | <!--Comments--> OpenGL 3.2 openCL but no fan control - case dual slot - 1 6pin pcie psu connector - 500 Watt or greater power supply with a minimum of 26 Amp on the +12 volt rail - Max Analog: 2048x1536 and Max Digital: 2560x1600 (Dual Link DVI Only) - PCI Express® 2.0 / 1.1 Support - g96 gpu randomly works - * not working bfg tech ocx, * works gigabyte gv-n96tsl-512i - |- | Geforce gf9500 9500gt (nv5 ) (G9x) (2008) | 0x10de | 0x0640 | 0x0a1 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| tunnel 480 gearbox 500 Cube Cube2 64 Quake3 }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Yes| DVI}} | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.2 - case single slot - 350 Watt/400 Watt or greater power supply with a minimum of 18 Amp/22 Amp on the +12 volt rail - Max Analog: 2048x1536 and Max Digital: 2560x1600 (Dual Link DVI Only) - PCI Express® 2.0 / 1.1 Support - * not working zotac zone fanless, Gainward USA NE29500THHD01-PM8796, PNY G9500GN2E50X+0TE, * works xfx xne-9500t-td01-pm8596 1024mb ddr2, |- | GeForce 9600 GS | 0x | 0x0623 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - max res - will not work with PCI-e 1.0a slots - * not working * works |- | GeForce 9600 GSO | 0x | 0x0610 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - max res - G92 chopped down - 9600GSO is re-badged 8800GS both very power hungry cards - |- | GeForce 9300 GS | 0x | 0x06E1 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->2009 opengl 3.x - max res |- | Geforce 9400 GT (nv5 ) (G86S) (2008) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{partial|}} | <!--3D-->{{unk|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk|1x DVI, 1x VGA, 1x S-Video}} | <!--Digital-->{{unk|1x DVI}} | <!--Comments-->2009 50W opengl 3.x - max res |- | Geforce 9xxx (nv5 ) (G9x) (2008) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{unk|}} | <!--3D-->{{unk|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk|}} | <!--Digital-->{{unk|}} | <!--Comments-->2009 opengl 3.x - max res |- | <!--Description-->Quadro FX 580 G96 chipset | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2009 |- | <!--Description--> NV84 (G84) GeForce 8600 (GT, GTS, M GT, M GS), 8700M GT, NV92 (G92) GeForce 8800 (GT, GS, GTS 512, M GTS, M GTX) GeForce 9600 GSO, 9800 (GT, GTX, GTX+, GX2, M GT, M GTX) NV96 (G96) GeForce 9400 GT, 9500 (GT, M G), 9600 (M GS, M GT), NV86 (G86) GeForce 8300 GS, 8400 (GS, M G, M GS, M GT), 8500 GT | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->NVA0 (GT200) Tesla GeForce GTX (260, 275, 280, 285, 295) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GTX 280 (NV50 family) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID-->0x05E1 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{no| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - max res PureVideo HD 4 (Nvidia Feature Set C or "VDPAU Feature Set C), VP4 added hardware to offload MPEG-4 Advanced Simple Profile (original DivX and Xvid) |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GTX 260 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x05E2 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{partial|Vesa}} | <!--3D-->{{no| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> 2 6pin - psu pci express 2.1 - |- | Geforce GTS250 250GTS (g92b) (2009) | 0x10de | 0x0615 | 0x0a2 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| tunnel 486 gearbox 508-642 Cube Cube2 80 Quake3 }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Yes| DVI}} | <!--Comments--> 2x6pin psu VP2 - pci-e 2.x - case dual slots - 738m 1gb ddr3 - * not working Zotac branded version GDDR3 - * works PNY gs-250x-zdfl and Gigabyte ??, BFG Tech RGTS2501024OCE, palit ne3ts250fhd52-pm8a92 with 2x6pin on top and hdmi output port, |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GT 240 (GT215 family) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x0ca3 | <!--Revision-->0xa2 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|use VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 tunnel gearbox}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->late 2009 openGl 3.2 - case dual slots - no 6pin psu required with VP4 - All are pcie 2.1 cards and may not work in 1.0a slots - * not working * DDR3 with 512MB or 1GB - * DDR5 -Asus ENGT240 - XFX Pine GT240XYHFC 0x3001 - Gigabyte GV-N240D5-512I rev 1.0 - Zotac AMP! with HDMI 1.3a with DisplayPort 1.1, Dual Link DVI - * works |- | <!--Description-->GT220 (GT216) G220 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x0a20 | <!--Revision-->0xa2 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI }} | <!--Comments--> Icaros 2.0.3 GeForce GT220 1GB[[File:GT220 aros heads.png|thumb|GT220]][[File:GT220 aros tails.png|thumb|GT220]] * untested NVIDIA Quadro® 400 512MB DDR3 GT216 DP DVI, AFox AF220 1Gb DDR3, |- | Geforce GT220 220GT G94 Tesla (g92b) | 0x10de | 0x0a20 | 0xa2 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| tunnel 490 gearbox 505 cube 150 cube2 50 Quake3 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk|1x DVI, 1x VGA}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI but not 1x HDMI }} | 58W pci express 2.0 cards DDR3 - case single slot - * not working ASUS ENGT220/DI/1GD2(LP)/V2 - * works - gainward card expert 0x0401 GDDr3 512MB - |- | <!--Description-->GT210 GT 210 210GT G210 based on Tesla 2.0 GT218S GT218-300-A2 variant, GT218-300-B1 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x0a65 | <!--Revision-->0xa2 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk|1x DVI, 1x VGA}} | <!--Digital-->{{Maybe|DVI out works but not hdmi or 1x DisplayPort}} | <!--Comments-->2009 31W OpenGL 3.3 pci-e 2.0 cards - single slot - * working GT218 based Asus EN210 based silent low profile large passively cooled - * untested MSI GeForce 210 1GB DDR3 PCIe N210-MD1GD3H/LP, * not working |- | <!--Description-->Nvidia ION2 9400M class (GT218) Tesla | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2012 |- | <!--Description-->Quadro NVS 295 (256 MB GDDR3), NVS 450 (256M/512 MB DDR3) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{partial|2 or 4 dp ports}} | <!--Comments-->2009 25w low performance - G98s with 8 shading units, 4 texture mapping units, and 4 ROPs on PCI-Express 1.0 x16 - *not working some NVIDIA Quadro NVS 295 2 dp ports (DELL, HP), *working |- | <!--Description-->GT310 Tesla 310, 315, GT 320, GT 330 GT 340 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe|6.11 tunnel gearbox}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->2010 50w OpenGL 3.3 openCL all similar in performance to GT2xx except gt31x (poor) |- | <!--Description-->Quadro NVS310 NVIDIA NVS 310 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> 2 dp | <!--Comments-->2012 25w GF119S (GF119-825-A1) 48 shading units, 8 texture mapping units, and 4 ROPs on PCI-Express 2.0 x16 - 512 MB DDR3 - PureVideo VP5 VDPAU Feature Set D - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description--> GTX 470, GTX 480 GF10 GF10* core (NVC0 family) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| tunnel gearbox}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->2010 215w 2x6 plugs - NVC0 family (Fermi) GF100 (GF100-275-A3) Fermi 448 shading units, 56 texture mapping units, and 40 ROPs with 1,280 MB GDDR5 - up to OpenGL4.5 OpenCL1.1 Tessellation - case dual slots - |- | Geforce GTX460 460GTX (G104) 256bit, 1GB v2 192bit and GTX 465 | 0x10de | 0x0e22 | 0xa1 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| tunnel gearbox cube 055-111 cube2 50}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->NVC0 family (Fermi) up to OpenGL 4.x but - 2x6pin psu - case dual slots - * not working evga 768MB GDDR5 192bit 01G-P3-1373-ER or 01G-P3-1372-TR * works 1GB GDDR5 256bit 01G-P3-1371-ER |- | <!--Description-->Geforce GTX 460SE 192bit | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x0e23 | <!--Revision-->0x91 or 0xa1 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Comments-->2010 - 2 6pin psu needed - case dual slots - * not working * works EVGA 01g-p3-1366-b6 et 1024MB p1041 - |- | Geforce GT450 GTS450 450GTS GF106 | 0x10de | 0x0dc4 | 0x0a1 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| tunnel gearbox cube cube2 50 Quake3 }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI }} | 2010 Hardware up to OpenGL 4.2 but nouveau set at 3.3 - most need 1x 6pin psu - case dual slots - * not working * DDR3 1 or 2GB - Palit NEAS450NHD41F, * GDDR5 512Mb or 1GB - MSI MPN N450GTSM2D1GD5OC, Asus MPN ENGTS450DI1GD5, * works Gainward Card Expert NE5S4500FHd51, |- | <!--Description-->GT 440 GF108 chipset or better OEM GF106 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| tunnel gearbox}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->2010 up to openGl 4.1 opencl 1.x - no 6 pin psu - 96 cuda cores 128bit - case dual slots - * not working * OEM * GDDR5 512MB to 1GB ASUSTeK ENGT440/DI/1GD5 * GDDR3 Asus 1gb to 2gb, * works |- | <!--Description-->GT430 430GT (GF108) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe|6.11 tunnel gearbox}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->2010 ddr3 memory 64bit or 128bit - buggy on Aros 32 but * not working * works |- | <!--Description-->nVidia Quadro FX1800 768MB GDDR3 Full Height Graphics Card Workstation | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{no|6.11 tunnel gearbox}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Maybe|DVI-I 2xDP}} | <!--Comments-->59W 768 MB GDDR3 memory using a 192-bit memory interface - OpenGL 3.3 - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->GTX 590 Fermi | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->OpenGL4.4 OpenCL 1.1 - GDDR5 - 6pin and 8pin psu connectors - 512 cuda - case dual slots - * not working * works |- | <!--Description-->GTX 580, | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->PureVideo HD 5" or "VP5" (Nvidia Feature Set D or VDPAU Feature Set D) 4k UHD 3840 × 2160 H.264 decode - |- | <!--Description-->GTX 570, | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> * not working Zotac GTX 570, Gainward GTX560TI/570 Phantom, * works gigabyte, evga |- | <!--Description-->Geforce 5xx 560gtx Fermi GTX 560, | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->opengl 4.x - 2 6pin psu - 384 cuda cores - case dual slots - will not work with PCI-e 1.0a slots - * not working Asus ENGTX560 DC/2DI/1GD5, * Ti LE 448 cuda GDDR5 320bit * Ti 256bit * works |- | <!--Description-->GTX 560 Ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> * not working evga GTX 560Ti 01GP31560KR - Gainward GTX560TI/570 Phantom, * works |- | <!--Description-->GTX 550 Ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x1201 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->can hang on boot up on I2C Init or suffer random lockups on OpenGL apps - most need 1 6pin min 400W 24A on the +12V1 / +12V2 dual 12V rails of the computers' power supply unit - 192 cuda cores - case dual slots used - will not work with PCI-e 1.0a slots - * not working eVGA GeForce GTX 550 Ti (1024 MB) (01GP31556KR) - * untested asus Extreme, eVGA GeForce GTX 550 Ti (1024 MB) (01GP31557KR) - - * works |- | <!--Description-->GT 545 and OEM GF116 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->openGL 4.2 opencl 1.x - GDDR5 with OEM only - |- | <!--Description-->GT530 OEM | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->96 cuda cores - 1GB or 2GB DDR3 128bit |- | <!--Description-->GT520 520GT | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->untested 48 cuda cores - DDR3 64bit |- | <!--Description-->510, GT 530 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D 6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> ddr 3 - 50w max - |- | <!--Description-->GT610 Fermi GF119 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NVS 315 300 GF119S | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{No|VESA}} needs special dms-59 cable | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2013 fermi 315 PNY VCNVS315-T 1Gb DDR3 but needs special dms-59 cable - |- | <!--Description-->GT630 GF108 Fermi | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->not accelerated 2015 - like the GT730 below - 96 cuda cores whilst kepler version has 384 - 128bit to keplers' 64bit bandwidth - kepler has 2GB DDR3 * not working Gigabyte * DDR3 * GDDR5 * works |- | <!--Description-->Geforce GT 730 (two versions) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe| use VESA 6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> fermi version has 96 cuda cores 128bit GF108 * not working Asus * works |- | <!--Description-->nVIDIA Quadro 4000 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} 2 dp ports | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->142W 2Gb GDDR5 - PCI Express 2.0 x16 ; full Height card with 1x 6-Pin PCIe power need - CUDA Cores 256 - OpenGL 4.5 |- | <!--Description-->nVIDIA Quadro 5000 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2011 200W 2.5Gb GDDR5 320 bit - PCI Express 2.0 x16 full Height card with 2x 6-Pin PCIe power need - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GTX Titan GeForce GTX Titan Black GeForce GTX Titan Z | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->NVE0 family (Kepler) GeForce 600 GeForce 700 GeForce GTX Titan Kepler |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GTX 780 GeForce GTX 780 Ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->PureVideo HD 6" or "VP6" (Nvidia Feature Set E or VDPAU Feature Set E) significantly improved performance when decoding H.264 and MPEG-2 |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GTX 770 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->opengl 4.4 opencl 1.1 |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GTX 760 GeForce GTX 760 Ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GT 740 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GT 730 Kepler (two versions) f | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> kepler 384 cores 64bit GK208 |- | <!--Description-->680gtx GK104 core gtx680 680m | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->NVE0 family (Kepler) |- | <!--Description-->GTX 690 Kepler NVE0 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->pci-e 3.0, OpenGL 4.4 OpenCL 1.1 |- | <!--Description-->GTX 670 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->GTX 660 GTX 660 Ti GK104 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2012 up to OpenGL 4.5 |- | <!--Description-->GTX 650 GTX 650 Ti GTX 650 Ti Boost | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2012 NVE0 family (Kepler) most need 1 6pin psu * not working asus ENGTX560 DC/2DI/1GD5 * works |- | <!--Description-->Geforce GT 640 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2012 * 128bit DDR3 * 192bit DDR3 1.5 to 3GB 50W * 128bit GDDR5 75W |- | <!--Description-->GT 620 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2012 up to OpenGL 4.5 |- | <!--Description-->Quadro K2000 NVE7 (GK107) Kepler | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2013 - 50w single slot pcie 2.0 - like 740gs - |- | <!--Description-->NVIDIA® Quadro® K4200 GK104 Kepler | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2014 4Gb GDDR5 - 108W 1 6pin - |- | <!--Description-->NVIDIA® Quadro® K420 1GB DDR3 Kepler | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2014 41W - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->GeForce 750ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2015 [https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/FeatureMatrix.html NV110] Maxwell - |- | <!--Description-->Nvidia GTX 750 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x1381 | <!--Revision-->0xa2 | <!--2D-->{{yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{yes| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{yes|vga on 64bit test }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk|not dp }} | <!--Comments-->2014 and tested in 2026 with latest nouveau test |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Quadro K2200 (GM107) Maxwell | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2014 - 68w single slot pcie 2.0 - |- | <!--Description-->Quadro K620 Maxwell | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2014 50w slim low profile 2gb ddr3 - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NV12B (GM20B) Tegra X1 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{no| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2015 GM206 2nd gen maxwell PureVideo HD 7" or "VP7" (Nvidia Feature Set F or VDPAU Feature Set F) adds full hardware-decode of H.265 HEVC Version 1 (Main and Main 10 profiles and full fixed function VP9 (video codec) hardware decoding |- | <!--Description-->NV124 (GM204) GeForce GTX 980 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x13c0 | <!--Revision-->0x | <!--2D-->{{yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{yes| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NV124 (GM204) GeForce GTX 970 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x13c2 | <!--Revision-->0xa1 | <!--2D-->{{yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{yes| }} | <!--Digital-->{{no| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NV126 (GM206) GeForce GTX 960 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NV126 (GM206) GeForce GTX 950 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{yes| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{yes| }} | <!--Digital-->{{yes| }} | <!--Comments-->2016 |- | <!--Description-->NV120 (GM200) GeForce GTX Titan X | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->NV132 (GP102) NVIDIA Titan (X, Xp), GeForce GTX 1080 Ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 probably little support |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 probably little support |- | <!--Description-->NV134 (GP104) GeForce GTX 1080 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 probably little support |- | <!--Description-->NV134 (GP104) GeForce GTX 1070 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 probably little support - 2 6pin psu ports - |- | <!--Description-->NV136 (GP106) GeForce GTX 1060 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 probably little support up to OpenGL 4.6 |- | <!--Description-->quadro p620 2gb gddr5 128bit and quadro p1000 4gb gt1030 30w | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 50w slim low profile - |- | <!--Description-->GeForce gtx 1060 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->NV130 Pascal |- | <!--Description-->NV137 (GP107) GeForce GTX (1050, 1050 Ti) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 probably little support |- | <!--Description-->NV138 (GP108) GeForce GT 1030 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 probably little support |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->NV130 family (Pascal) |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->NV162 (TU102) NVIDIA Titan RTX, GeForce RTX 2080 Ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2018 needs gsp firmware and latest nouveau version |- | <!--Description-->NV164 (TU104) GeForce RTX (2070 Super, 2080, 2080 Super) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2019 NV160 family (Turing) unified gsp-rm firmware - best starting point for Vulkan support |- | <!--Description-->NV166 (TU106) GeForce RTX (2060, 2060 Super, 2070) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2019 |- | <!--Description-->NV168 (TU116) GeForce GTX (1650 Super, 1660, 1660 Ti, 1660 Super) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2018 |- | <!--Description-->NV167 (TU117) GeForce GTX 1650 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2019 |- | <!--Description-->gtx 1650ti super | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2018 old style |- | <!--Description-->Quadro RTX 4000 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2019 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->NV172 (GA102) GeForce RTX (3080, 3090) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2020 av1 decoding ampere |- | <!--Description-->NV174 (GA104) GeForce RTX (3060 Ti, 3070, 3080 Mobile) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2020 NV170 family (Ampere) |- | <!--Description-->NV176 (GA106) GeForce RTX (3050, 3060) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2021 |- | <!--Description-->NV177 (GA107) GeForce RTX 3050 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->NV192 (AD102) GeForce RTX 4090 ada | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2022 |- | <!--Description-->NV193 (AD103) GeForce RTX 4080 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->NV190 family (Ada Lovelace) |- | <!--Description-->NV194 (AD104) GeForce RTX (4070, 4070 Ti) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NV196 (AD106) GeForce RTX 4060 Ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NV197 (AD107) GeForce RTX 4060 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->Geforce RTX 5090 blackwell GB202 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Quadro RTX Pro 4000 Blackwell | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2024 70w - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |} ==== nouveau mobile integrated ==== If you purchased a notebook with an NVidia sticker on it, most of the time you have a optimus based one, ie Intel CPU+GPU melded with Nvidia GPU, Optimus was slated at one point to go into desktop PCs but the industry ended up rejecting that concept {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="5%" | Description ! width="5%" | Vendor ID ! width="5%" | Product ID ! width="2%" | Rev ! width="5%" | 2D ! width="5%" | 3D ! width="5%" | Analog Output ! width="5%" | Digital Output ! width="5%" | Laptop LCD ! width=40%" | Comments |- | GeForce 6100 nForce 405 | 0x | 0x03D1 0x0242 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | |- | <!--Description-->GeForce 6100 nForce 400 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID-->0x03D2 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->GeForce 6100 nForce 420 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID-->0x03D5 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->GeForce 6150 LE | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID-->0x0241 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6150SE nForce 430 | 0x | 0x03D0 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | working |- | <!--Description-->GeForce 6150 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID-->0x0240 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->GeForce 7150M / nForce 630M | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID-->0x0531 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->GeForce 7000M / nForce 610M | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID-->0x0533 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->GeForce 7050 PV / NVIDIA nForce 630a | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID-->0x053A 0x053B | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce IGP 7025 nForce 630a | 0x | 0x053E | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|some}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes|some}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No| }} | some support on some chipsets |- | GeForce 7100 / nForce 630i (C73) | 0x10de | 0x07e1 | 0x0a2 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe}} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Digital-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | Icaros 2.0.3 and Gigabyte 73-pvm-s2h rev. 1.0 but will not boot on [https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=806.msg8765#new Acer x270 with Icaros 2.3] |- | <!--Description-->GeForce 7150 / NVIDIA nForce 630i | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID-->0x07E0 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->GeForce 7050 / NVIDIA nForce 610i | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID-->0x07E3 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce IGP 8100 (nForce 720a) | 0x | 0x084F | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | |- | GeForce 8100P | 0x | 0x0847 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | |- | <!--Description-->Geforce 8200 8300 nForce 730a | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID-->0x084A 0x0848 (GeForce 8300) 0x0849 (GeForce 8200) 0x084B (GeForce 8200) | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->working on some 8300's with Icaros 1.5 but others untested |- | <!--Description-->nForce 780a SLI | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID-->0x084C | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->nForce 750a SLI | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x084D | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Nvidia Geforce IGP 9300 (nForce MCP7a) | 0x10de | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->works | |- | <!--Description-->9400 (ION) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x087d | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->If AROS detects GPU chipset, works sometimes |- | <!--Description-->9700M () | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce ION 2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->works well |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->GeForce Go 6150 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID-->0x0244 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->GeForce Go 6100 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID-->0x0247 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | 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GCN3rd AMD R5E R7E 2019 GCN5th AMD Vega 8 2022 RDNA1 AMD RX5500 desktop only 2023 RDNA2 AMD 680M 780M 2024 RDNA3 AMD 880M 890M 2025 RDNA3.5 AMD 8060S strix halo and AI 2027 RDNA4 AMD </pre> {| class="wikitable" ! Description ! Vendor ID ! Product ID ! Revision ! 2D ! 3D ! Analogue Output ! Digital Output ! Laptop LCD ! 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<!--Comments-->pci-e 2.0, openGL 3.3 |- | HD4300 HD4500 HD4600 HD4700 HD4800 ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_R600 r700]) | 0x1002 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|but some later cards need 3D engine for faster and more flexible 2D now}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 3.3 - DDR3 - GDDR5 was one of AMD's aces for the 4800 series - 4670 liked - |- | HD6900 cayman series | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|some features with new driver}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> openGL 3.3 open CL not mature (2014) - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | HD5400 Series HD5430 HD5450 HD5470 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{No|needs 3D engine for accelerated 2D now}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2010 openGL 3.3 openCL - GDDR3 - |- | HD5500 Series HD5550 HD5570 HD5600 Series HD5650 HD5670 HD5700 Series HD5750 HD5770 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{No|needs 3D engine for accelerated 2D now}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 3.3 openCL - GDDR5 |- | HD 5800 Series HD5850 HD5870 HD5900 Series HD5950 HD5970 - HD6xxx not NI chipset ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evergreen_(GPU_family) r800 evergreen]) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{No|needs 3D engine for accelerated 2D now}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2009 openGL 3.3 openCL - DDR5 pci-e 2.1 best avoided for all pci-e 1.0 mobos - Ati TeraScale2 architecture - |- | HD6450 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Islands_(GPU_family) Northern Islands chipset] | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{No|needs 3D engine for accelerated 2D now}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> - DDR3 - |- | HD6600 Series HD6650 HD6570 HD6600 Series HD6650 HD6670 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{No|needs 3D engine for accelerated 2D now}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2011 - DDR5 - Radeon HD 8470 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 8350 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 7510 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6550D 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6530D 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6410D 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6370D 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6320 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6310 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6290 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6250 11 TeraScale 2 |- | HD6800 Series HD6850 HD6870 HD6700 Series HD6790 to HD6990 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{No|needs 3D engine for accelerated 2D now}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2011 - DDR5 - AMD TeraScale3 - |- | <!--Description-->HD7450-HD7670 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2012 OpenGL but not Vulkan Radeon HD 7660D 11 TeraScale 3 Radeon HD 7560D 11 TeraScale 3 Radeon HD 7540D 11 TeraScale 3 Radeon HD 7480D 11 TeraScale 3 Radeon HD 6930 11 TeraScale 3 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->HD7750 HD 7770 / R7 250X HD7850 HD7870 / R9 270X HD 7950 / R9 280 HD 7970 / R9 280X [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Islands_(GPU_family) Southern Islands] *AMD Radeon R7 250XE Cape Verde XT *AMD Radeon R7 M465X Cape Verde *AMD Radeon R9 255 Cape Verde PRX *AMD Radeon HD 7750 Cape Verde PRO *AMD Radeon R7 250E Cape Verde PRO *AMD Radeon HD 8740 Cape Verde PRO *AMD Radeon HD 7730 Cape Verde LE | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2012 pci-e 3.0 1st Gen GCN architecture - |- | <!--Description-->R5 430, FirePro W2100, | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2015 50W+ openGL openCL 1/3 speed of gtx750ti 1st gen gcn1 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->HD7790 [ Sea Islands ] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2013 openGL 4.1 open CL - GCN2.0 Vulkan 1.0 introduced a Shader Engine (SE) comprising one geometry processor, up to 44 CUs (Hawaii chip), rasterizers, ROPs, and L1 cache and Graphics Command Processor for faster audio/video - suits Vulkan 1.1 |- | <!--Description-->r5 240 240x (slow) R7 250 250x (faster) HD 7790 / R7 260 260X / R7 360 to R5 350 (fast) and last one R5 430 OEM Plus (slow again) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2013 50W+ GCN 1st gen - openGL 4.x openCL 1.x Vulkan 1.0 |- | <!--Description-->R9 290 / R9 390 R9 290X / R9 390X | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2014 GCN 1.1 2nd Gen architecture - openGL 4.x openCL 1.x Vulkan 1.1 - |- | <!--Description-->R9 Fury Nano | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2015 GCN 1.2 3rd Gen - openGL openCL vulkan |- | <!--Description-->r-200 series r8 275 285 295 375 [Volcanic Islands] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2015 GCN1.2 - openGL 4.x openCL 1.x Vulkan 1.2 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2015 [https://gpuopen.com/download/AMD_GCN3_Instruction_Set_Architecture_rev1.1.pdf GCN3] |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->Radeon™ RX 5700/5600/5500 Series | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2022 GCN 4 - OpenGL 4, Vulkan 1.3 - |- | <!--Description-->Radeon™ RX 400/500 Series like rx vega 580 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Radeon™ Pro WX 9100, x200 Series and Radeon™ Pro W5700/W5500 Series | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->Radeon™ RX 7900/7600 Series | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Radeon™ RX 6900/6800/6700/6600/6500 Series | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |} ==== amd radeon mobile integrated ==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="5%" | Description ! width="5%" | Vendor ID ! width="5%" | Product ID ! width="2%" | Rev ! width="5%" | 2D ! width="5%" | 3D ! width="5%" | Analog Output ! width="5%" | Digital Output ! width="5%" | Laptop LCD ! width=40%" | Comments |- | <!--Description-->ATI RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M] | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1002 | <!--Product ID-->0x5a62 0x5955 0x5974 (200m) | <!--Revision-->0x00 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon 7500 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1002 | <!--Product ID-->0x4c57 (7500) | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon 9000 | 0x1002 | 0x4966 (9000) | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon 9500 9550 (rv360) 9600 (rv350) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon 9800 (rv420) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon X300 (RV370) X600 (RV380) | 0x1002 | 0x (RV370) 0x5657 (RV380) | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon X700 (RV410) X800 (RV423) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon X1200 (RS69M0) | 0x1002 | 0x791f | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->X1200 IGP (RS690) |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon X1300 X1350 X1400(rv515) X1600 (rv530) X1650 (RV535) X1800 (rv520) x1900 (rv570) | 0x1002 | 0x71c7 (X1650) | 0x009e | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon 2100 | 0x1002 | 0x796e (2100) | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No|}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon HD 2400 (rv610) HD2600 (rv630) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon HD 3100 HD3200 HD3450 3470 (RS780MC RV620) 3670 (M86-XT RV635) HD3870 (M88-LXT RV670) | 0x1002 | 0x9610 and 0x9612 (HD3200) 0x9614 (HD3300) | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon HD 4200 4250 (RV620) | 0x1002 | 0x (HD4200) 0x9715 (HD4250) | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon HD 4330 4530 4550 (M92 RV710) 4650 (M96-XT RV730) 4670 RV730XT 4830 (M97 RV740) 4850 (M98 RV770) | 0x1002 | 0x (HD4350) 0x9442 (RV770) 0x9490 (HD4670) | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon HD 530v (M92 RV710) HD 550v (M96 RV730) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->no support yet |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon HD 5430 HD5650 (cedar Park LP) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->no support yet |- | <!--Description-->Radeon HD 6250 6290 6310 6320 6350M (Redwood Capilano PRO) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->no support yet |- | <!--Description-->AMD 7640G, 8450G, 8550G, 8650G Northern Islands | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2013 Last real support for old graphics standard before Vulkan takeover |- | <!--Description-->R5 M230 M240 M255 - R7 M260 M265 (Kaveri Crystal series with Mantle and HSA) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->2015 Maybe better with Vulkan |- | <!--Description-->R5E R7E | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->2016 bristol ridge GCN 3.0 IGP (Carrizo Mobile) |- | <!--Description-->AMD Vega 3, 6, 8, 11 iGP | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2018 raven ridge GCN 5th Gen |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->5500m 5600m 5800m | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->RDNA1 NaviX1 Zen 2 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->rx680m | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->RDNA2 NaviX2 Zen 3 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->phoenix apu 1103 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2022 RDNA3 NaviX3 zen 4 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ==== AMDGPU Vulkan desktop ==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="5%" | Description ! width="5%" | Vendor ID ! width="5%" | Product ID ! width="2%" | Rev ! width="5%" | 2D ! width="5%" | 3D ! width="5%" | Analog Output ! width="5%" | Digital Output ! width="5%" | Laptop LCD ! width=40%" | Comments |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->Kaveri 290 290X, 260 260X | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2015 AMDGPU Vulkan |- | <!--Description-->R9 285 / R9 380 R9 380X Fury / Fury X | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->opengl 4 opencl 1 3rd Gen GCN architecture |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->RX470 RX460 RX480 RX580 polaris10 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2016 opengl 4 opencl 2 4th Gen GCN architecture vulkan 1.3 |- | <!--Description-->RX460 RX560D polaris11 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2016 opengl 4 opencl 2 4th Gen GCN architecture vulkan 1.3 |- | <!--Description-->RX580 polaris20 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2016 opengl 4 opencl 2 4th Gen GCN architecture vulkan 1.3 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->RX 5000 5500 Navi 1x | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->RNDA 1 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->RX 6000 Navi 2x | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->RNDA 2 Mesa 21.3 decode av1 |- | <!--Description-->RX6000 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| 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By default the Intel card is always used [https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ATI Gallium Radeon HD] is not ported yet but is [https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.9-AMDGPU-Stats really big] and complex so another solution may have to be [https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/the-graphics-acceleration-can-of-worms/10515/5 found] like [https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/vulkan-lavapipe-software-rendering-is-working-on-haiku/11363/10 vulkan] where support starts from very recent ISA GCN islands HD7000s cards only *Vulkan *Gallium Vulkan software renderer allows to prepares the infrastructure for hardware rendering. Primary difference between software and hardware renderer is output to regular RAM vs GPU RAM, the rest is almost the same. It is possible to render to GPU RAM offscreen. bare bones basics data flow application,>>> api/opengl/vulkan>>>>, jit compiler, >>>>memory manger, >>>>gpu hardware so you need to have a compiler that takes your api call/program/shaders/drawing commands and turns them into a program the gpu can render. the vulkan to amd gpu compiler for shaders and textures is nearly os agnostic iirc as long as you have solid posix compliance Unlike OpenGL, Vulkan does not depend on windowing system and it have driver add-on system with standardized API (Mesa also have OpenGL driver add-ons, but it have non-standard Mesa-specific API). OpenGL may need more work for windowing system related code at this point but developing Vulkan on real hardware is more strategic than developing OpenGL, since now Zink 3 running on Vulkan compensates for the lack of OpenGL support by giving performance similar to native accelerated OpenGL RadeonGfx use client-server model with client-server thread pairs. For each client thread that calls 3D acceleration API, server side thread is created. 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GTX 980 Quadro M5500 Radeon R9 390X Radeon RX 580 Radeon RX 5500 Radeon RX 6550M GeForce GTX 1660 Ti with Max-Q Design GeForce GTX 780 Ti GeForce GTX 970 Radeon R9 290X Radeon RX 480 Radeon RX 5600M Quadro RTX 3000 with Max-Q Design Radeon R9 290X / 390X Ryzen 5 4600HS with Radeon Graphics Radeon R9 290 Radeon Pro 5500 XT Radeon R9 M490 * GeForce GTX 780 Radeon RX 6500M Quadro M5500 GeForce GTX 1060 with Max-Q Design Radeon RX 6500 Radeon RX 5300 Intel Arc A770M GeForce GTX 1650 Ti Radeon Pro 580X Radeon RX 6400 GeForce RTX 2050 Ryzen 9 4900HS with Radeon Graphics Radeon Ryzen 9 6900HS GeForce GTX 980M Quadro M5000M Radeon RX 6300 GeForce GTX 1650 Ti with Max-Q Design Radeon Pro 570 Ryzen 9 6900HS with Radeon Graphics GeForce GTX 1050 Ti Quadro M4000M Radeon R9 280X 380X GeForce GTX 1650 with Max-Q Design GeForce MX570 Radeon R9 280X Radeon R9 380 Radeon 780M GeForce GTX 960 GeForce GTX 970M Quadro M4000M * GeForce GTX 680 Group 4 Radeon RX 6500M Quadro M5500 Radeon Pro WX 7100 GeForce 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Radeon HD 6970M Radeon R7 250X Intel HD 5600 Ryzen 3 4300GE with Radeon Graphics GeForce GTX 460 Ryzen 7 5700U with Radeon Graphics Radeon Ryzen 5 7530U Quadro K620 Ryzen 3 PRO 5350GE with Radeon Graphics Intel Iris Pro P580 Intel UHD Graphics P630 Ryzen 5 4600H with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 5 PRO 7530U with Radeon Graphics Radeon HD 5870 Radeon HD 6870 Ryzen 7 4700G with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 5 5600U with Radeon Graphics Radeon HD 7770 Ryzen 3 Pro 4350G with Radeon Graphics Radeon Ryzen 5 5625U GeForce GTX 745 Radeon Ryzen 7 4850U Mobile Radeon Ryzen 3 PRO 7330U Quadro M600M Radeon Ryzen 5 5500U Ryzen 5 5560U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 7 4800H with Radeon Graphics Group 7 GeForce 945M Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE with Radeon Graphics FirePro M5100 Radeon Ryzen 5 5600U Radeon Ryzen 5 PRO 4500U GeForce GTX 580M Ryzen 7 PRO 5875U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 3 5300GE with Radeon Graphics Radeon R9 M385 Quadro 5000MGK106S Radeon Ryzen 7 4700U Ryzen 5 PRO 5650U with Radeon Graphics Radeon Ryzen 7 PRO 4750U Ryzen 7 4700U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 7 PRO 4750U with Radeon Graphics FirePro V7800 Radeon R9 350 Ryzen 3 4300G with Radeon Graphics Radeon Vega 11 Ryzen 5 PRO 3350G Radeon Ryzen 5 5560U GeForce GTX 460 SE Radeon Pro W5500M Radeon Vega 11 Ryzen 5 PRO 3400G Ryzen 5 5500U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 5 PRO 4500U with Radeon Graphics GeForce GT 645 GeForce GTX 765M Radeon R9 M385X Ryzen 5 5625U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 3 PRO 7330U with Radeon Graphics Radeon HD 5850 Radeon Vega 11 Ryzen 5 PRO 2400G Intel Iris Pro 580 Radeon HD 6850 Intel Iris Xe MAX Radeon Ryzen 7 PRO 5875U Radeon Ryzen 5 7600 6-Core GeForce GTX 470M Ryzen 3 5300G with Radeon Graphics GeForce GTX 670MX Radeon RX 640 Qualcomm Adreno Gen 3 Radeon R7 450 GeForce GTX 675M Radeon Pro WX 4130 Intel Iris Xe MAX 100 Quadro 5000 Radeon RX 570X Radeon HD 7700-serie Ryzen 5 4600U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE with Radeon Graphics Radeon Vega 8 Group 8 GeForce MX230 GeForce GTX 765M Quadro K4000M Iris Pro Graphics 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Graphics FirePro W5130M * Radeon Vega 8 Ryzen 5 3500U Radeon HD 7850M Radeon HD 8790M FirePro W4170M FirePro W4190M FirePro W4100 Radeon Vega 6 Ryzen 3 3300U Quadro 4000M GeForce GTX 470M GeForce GTX 480M GeForce GT 750M Iris Pro Graphics 6200 Quadro K1100M GeForce 940M Radeon R9 M375 GeForce 930MX * Radeon R7 M380 * Radeon R7 M370 Quadro M600M * GeForce GT 650M Quadro K620M GeForce 840M Radeon R7 M275DX GeForce GT 745M Radeon HD 7770M GeForce GTX 560M Radeon R7 Iris Pro Graphics 5200 GeForce GT 740M GeForce 930M Radeon HD 4850 Group 10 Iris Graphics 550 * GeForce 830M Iris Graphics 540 Quadro M500M * Quadro K2000M GeForce GTS 450 GeForce GTX 260M SLI GeForce GT 735M Mobility Radeon HD 5870 GeForce 825M Quadro 5000M FirePro M4000 FirePro M7820 Radeon HD 6870M GeForce 9800M GTX SLI Radeon HD 8830M * Radeon HD 8770M Radeon R7 M260X GeForce GTX 460M GeForce 920MX * GeForce GT 730M Radeon HD 7750M GeForce GT 645M * FirePro M4100 Radeon HD 8750M Radeon R6 A10-9600P 4C+6G Quadro 3000M Radeon R7 M270 Radeon R7 M265 Quadro FX 3800M GeForce GTX 285M Mobility Radeon HD 4870 GeForce GT 640M Radeon R7 (Kaveri) Radeon R8 M365DX Radeon R7 M460 * Radeon HD 7730M Radeon R7 M360 GeForce GTX 280M Radeon HD 8690M Quadro FX 3700M Radeon R7 M340 GeForce 920M Radeon R6 M340DX HD Graphics 530 HD Graphics P530 Tegra X1 Maxwell GPU Radeon R7 M260 Radeon R6 Group 11 Mobility Radeon HD 4860 FirePro M7740 Mobility Radeon HD 4850 GeForce GTX 260M GeForce 9800M GTX Quadro FX 2800M Radeon HD 8670D Radeon HD 7690M XT FirePro M5950 GeForce GT 640M LE Radeon R6 (Kaveri) Radeon HD 8650M * Radeon HD 8730M Radeon HD 6770M GeForce GT 635M GeForce GT 555M Radeon R7 A10 PRO-7800B Radeon HD 5670 Mobility Radeon HD 5850 Radeon HD 6850M Quadro 2000M GeForce 9800M GT GeForce 8800M GTX Quadro FX 3600M GeForce GT 445M GeForce GTS 360M Group 12 GeForce GT 240 Radeon R7 PRO A10-9700 Radeon HD 7690M HD Graphics 5600 Radeon HD 8570D Radeon HD 8670M Radeon R6 M255DX Radeon HD 7660D Radeon HD 6750M Quadro K1000M 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GeForce ULP (Tegra 3) * VideoCore-IV * Adreno 220 225* Vivante GC1000+ Dual-Core Mali-400 MP2 * GeForce ULP (Tegra 2) * Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) 600 * SGX540 * Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) 500 Adreno 205 * Adreno 203 * GC800 * SGX535 SGX531 SGX530 Adreno 200 * Mali-200 * GeForce 3 Go * GeForce 2 Go 200 / 100 Mobility Radeon 9100 IGP Mobility Radeon 9000 IGP Mobility Radeon M7 Mobility Radeon M6 Chrome9 HC Extreme Graphics 2 Mobility Radeon 7000 IGP Radeon IGP 340M Radeon IGP 320M S3G UniChrome Pro II S3G UniChrome Pro Castle Rock Mirage 2 M760 Mirage M661FX S3 Graphics ProSavage8 Mobility 128 M3 SM502 * </pre> Kernel-space drivers like '''radeon''' (older AMD driver for older GPUs), '''amdgpu''' (newer driver for newer GPUs, allows using a few new features), i915, nouveau and a few others. They are what handles the gory details of talking to the GPU itself (writing to proper registers, handling its memory directly, configuring outputs, and so on). Unfortunately most of what they're exposing can be only consumed by a single user of that GPU, which is why we need... DRM and DRI (Direct Rendering Manager/Infrastructure) controls access to the GPUs, provides interfaces for talking to the GPU concurrently by multiple apps at once (without them breaking each other) and lets the system perform the most basic tasks like setting proper resolution and such if no userspace apps understand how to talk to the GPU exposed. DRI and DRM expose the GPU interfaces mostly as-is, not in a "vendor-neutral" portable way - if you don't have an application developed specifically for a GPU you have, it won't work. "let's create a vendor-neutral interface for graphics so that apps can ignore the GPU-specific bits and get right to the drawing!" - which is what OpenGL is. User-space drivers implement the OpenGL specification and expose it as an OpenGL library to apps (like games, browsers, etc) instead of the GPU. Mesa is the most popular collection of open-source user-space drivers and contains a few user-space drivers for different GPU families: '''radeonsi''' for most modern AMD GPUs (and '''r600g''', r300g and others for older ones), '''i915/i965''' for old/new Intel GPUs and '''nouveau''' for Nvidia GPUs. There's also Gallium, which is a bunch of utilities and common code shared among these drivers - if certain things can be done once and work everywhere, they'll land in Gallium and benefit all the drivers. Most Mesa drivers use Gallium (radeonsi, nouveau, software renderers), some don't (intel after gma950). Displaying 2D windows supports device-specific 2D drivers as well, but nowadays most of these are no longer needed as the modesetting can handle most hardware on its own. As the DRM/DRI got some additional interfaces for what used to be hardware-specific (setting resolutions, refresh rates, etc) and software requiring accelerated 2D drawing was optimized OpenGL-based renderers, dedicated 2D acceleration is slowly going away. Since around 2012, the 3D part of the graphics card deals with 2D operations. Modern GPUs can also decode video!? There's VDPAU (NVIDIA & AMD GPUs) and VA-API (AMD & Intel GPUs) that can also talk to the GPU exposed via DRM/DRI and issue proper commands to decode/encode a given video stream. Those drivers are GPU-specific too. So let's say you have some example GPUs, here's how example stacks could look like: * AMD Radeon HD8750: amdgpu -> DRM/DRI -> Mesa (radeonsi) * AMD Radeon HD4850: radeon kernel driver -> DRM/DRI -> Mesa (r600g) -> games/apps/etc. * NVIDIA GeForce 460: nouveau kernel driver -> DRM/DRI -> Mesa (nouveau) -> games/apps. * Intel GMA950: i915 kernel driver -> DRM/DRI -> Mesa (i945) -> games/apps. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="15%" | Description ! width="15%" | Analog Output ! width="15%" | Digital Output ! width="15%" | Laptop LCD ! width=30%" | Comments |- | <!--Description-->Fudomi GC888A | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->1080p 100in throw projector |- | <!--Description-->Vamvo VF320 (720P) | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->720p 90in |- | <!--Description-->Happrun H1 | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->1080p 90in |- | <!--Description-->Umbolite Magcubic HIPPUS HY320 Mini | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->720p 100in |- | <!--Description-->Zentality A10 Plus | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->720p 110in |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->nexigo nova mini | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->nebula mars 3 | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->epson lifestudio flex plus portable projector | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->dangbei freedo | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->benq gv50 | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} Unless your computer uses a Firewire chipset manufactured by Texas Instruments, FireWire interfaces are likely to act buggy. AROS is unlikely to ever support FireWire. Bluetooth is similarly unlikely to be ever supported due to huge cost to be certified. No, x86 PCMCIA card.resource at the moment. Writing card.resource would be a similar amount of work to writing a typical driver. However, it might be complicated by having to support a variety of PCMCIA-controller chipsets like TI PCI1225, PCI1410, PCI1420, 1450, PCIxx12 and O2, etc. m68k card.resource does not really have many higher level functions, most functions are really simple or poke Gayle registers directly. only exception is CopyTuple(). Amiga card.resource has one significant flaw: it's single-unit. would need card.resource and pccard.library. There was talk in the past of designing a new API for PCMCIA because card.resource only supports one slot, but since most modern laptops only have one slot anyway, I think it might be worthwhile to implement card.resource as-is (at least as a first step). pccard.library would be trivial to port. So, a new API is needed. 4clioexix5pmv06dx6o9l70pz4nsblg 4654295 4654294 2026-07-13T11:23:16Z Jeff1138 301139 4654295 wikitext text/x-wiki Google translation into [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=de&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki%2FAros%2FPlatforms%2Fx86_support German], [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=fr&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki%2FAros%2FPlatforms%2Fx86_support French], [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=nl&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki%2FAros%2FPlatforms%2Fx86_support Dutch], [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=it&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki%2FAros%2FPlatforms%2Fx86_support Italian], [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=es&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki%2FAros%2FPlatforms%2Fx86_support Spanish], [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=hi&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki%2FAros%2FPlatforms%2Fx86_support Hindi], [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=zh-CN&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki%2FAros%2FPlatforms%2Fx86_support Chinese Simplified], [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=pl&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki%2FAros%2FPlatforms%2Fx86_support Polish], [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=ru&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki%2FAros%2FPlatforms%2Fx86_support Russian], {{ArosNav}} [[#Audio Chipsets]] [[#Graphic GFX Chipsets]] [[#Rough gfx comparison]] [[#]] ==x86 Native Environment== AROS should run on almost any i386 PC hardware so long as the CPU is newer than an i486, and has a "Floating Point Unit (FPU)". Ideally around 700Mhz and above with at least 256MB of memory is recommended for desktops and around 1GHz and at least 256MB for laptops/notebooks/netbooks. For web browsing, etc above 1GB is usually needed and offers the option to run web browsers, media players and other hard disk heavy usage from RAM: disk. Motherboards supported * Most Intel mobos are supported but additional pci / pci-e cards may be needed for networking, audio, etc * AMD based socket ryzen based systems work but additional pci / pci-e cards may be needed Supported graphics cards (gfx) * Nvidia 2D and 3D 2005-2015 64bit AROS Nouveau covers '''2D''' 8xxxgs and higher to GTX 9xx and '''3D''' from 8xxxGS to GTX9xx 32bit AROS supports '''2D''' from TNT to fermi gtx5xx and '''3D''' acceleration fx5xxx to gtx4xx * Intel GMA 2D and 3D 2006-2009 '''2D''' for many old netbooks and motherboards. '''3D''' for many early netbooks and motherboards * AMD/ATI 2D only and '''no 3D'''. 1999-2004 Desktop ie external monitor support only (no laptop internal support) for very early Radeon 7000 through to x600 * VESA 2D fallback modes for all graphic cards (GPUs) and with [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKCHZFYj9Kk screen dragging]. It's worth noting however that support isn't guaranteed. Nor will potential power of a card reflect its performance under AROS. Sound wise there are * HDaudio support for onboard intel and AMD netbooks, ultrabooks, notebooks and motherboards (2005 to 2020) * some AC97 codec support for very old motherboards and laptops (ie pre 2004) * PCI and some PCI-E C-Media CMI8738 for desktop plugin cards * PCI Creative Soundblaster EMU10K1 cards [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2512 SBLive] * PCI semi professional some early VIA Envy24 desktop sound cards * PCI Sound Blaster 128 aka SB16 Supported [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aros/Platforms/x86_Network_support network] which could be desktop, laptop, etc * PCI-E Realtek rtl8169 1GbE which also includes the rtl8111 and rtl8110 (2011 to 2025) * PCI Realtek rtl8139 and includes rtl8101 and rtl8100 (2005 to 2009) * PCI intel e1000 (2006 to 2009) * PCI intel pro100 (2002 to 2005) * Broadcom 44xx 10/100 integrated in laptops around 2005 * VIA 10/100 (1999 to 2002) * 3com Etherlink 10/100 * Realtek rtl8029 10mbit Wireless wifi * atheros 5000 wireless *realtek 8187 usb It is very hard to recommend a completely supported motherboard because as soon as newer motherboards arrive so their features change subtly, often introducing non supported parts like ethernet and audio. It is a moving target. * mini-itx motherboard will only get you 1 pci or pci-e slot * micro mATX or uATX will have more, typically 2 pci-e or pci slots which helps if any onboard features are not supported. * full atx will have more slots available '''N.B''' It is frustrating when a piece of hardware is not supported. Hardware documentation can run to over 100 pages and a lot of hardware do not have any public documentation anyway. Chips from different manufacturers for sound, graphics, SATA, etc. vary just as much, unless they follow a standard such as [https://github.com/acidanthera/AppleALC/wiki/Supported-codecs HDAudio codecs], AHCI etc. Coding drivers is a far cry from Hello World programs or even a port of existing software. If you do actually want to try then get a hold of documentation on the relevant hardware and start there. Alternatively you could try to find some '''BSD''', MIT or MPL licence drivers as a point of reference. Please , do not think you can just adapt strings in a driver for different strings, it does not work that way. You will '''need''' to start from scratch for each new bit of hardware. Device driver programming require '''embedded''' skills, like manipulation of bits within registers, good debugging skills, dealing with interrupts, lots of patience, etc. The following specific chipsets and drivers are also available - use Tools/PCITool to confirm Vendor and Product IDs - Please let us know any mistakes or any information to be added, to this General Chat list on [https://arosworld.org/ AROS World] : Brief Timeline : 2000-12-06 HIDD first mouse.hidd completed ([http://msaros.blogspot.com/ Michal Schulz]) : 2001-03-31 BOOT first boot from floppy disk with IDE device : 2001-10-30 BOOT first cd bootable version : 2002-01-27 HIDD first pci.hidd added (Michal Schulz) : 2002-04-13 BOOT software HDToolBox added () : 2003-04-03 HIDD vesa2.hidd graphic modes added () : 2004-03-08 HIDD new pci and ata (pata) devices worked on (Michal Schulz) : 2004-03-17 HIDD nVidia 2D driver appears (Michal Schulz) : 2005-01-05 AHI AHI v6 audio system ported (Martin Blom) : 2005-01-06 AHI SBLive SoundBlaster Live driver ported (Georg Steger) : 2005-02-04 AHI AC97 playback only driver added (Michal Schulz) : 2005-06-27 NIC amiTCP stack ported with 3com, NE2000, prism2 drivers (Neil Cafferkey) : 2005-08-25 NIC nForce2 support added (Michal Schulz) : 2005-12-24 NIC Intel Pro100 network driver added (Neil Cafferkey) : 2006-03-25 HIDD ATI radeon 2D driver added (Michal Schulz) : 2007-03-06 HIDD vesa 1.0 video driver added (Pavel Fedin) : 2007-03-08 HIDD dospackets and FAT filesystem (Rob Norris) : 2007-03-21 HIDD usb initial commit (Michal Schulz) : 2007-10-01 BOOT Installer added (Neil Cafferkey) : 2007-11-29 PORT 64bit x86 added (Michal Schulz) : 2008-04-12 BOOT GRUB2 added (Alain Greppin and Nick Andrews) : 2008-08-26 NIC RTL8139 added ([http://kalamatee.blogspot.com/ Nick Andrews]) : 2008-10-22 PORT to SAM440ep (ppc) (Michal Schulz) : 2009-02-25 PORT to efika (ppc) (Michal Schulz) : 2009-05-18 HIDD poseidon usb2.0 stack ported to AROS (Chris Hodges) : 2009-11-18 NIC RTL8169 network driver arrived (Nick Andrews and [http://pagesperso-orange.fr/franck.charlet/oldnews.html Franck Charlet]) : 2009-12-23 AHI HDAudio based Atom CPU and netbook audio driver arrived (Davy Wentzler) : 2010-03-09 BOOT USB pendrive stick booting available (Neil Cafferkey) : 2010-05-26 HIDD Intel GMA900 2D graphics card support (Michal Schulz) : 2010-09-03 NIC Wireless PCI based NIC arrived (Neil Cafferkey) : 2011-04-30 HIDD Nvidia 2D and 3D nouveau graphics card support for Aros 32bit (Deadwood) : 2011-08-30 HIDD Radeon 2D enhanced AMD driver arrives (Bearsoft) : 2011-09-17 NIC Wireless USB realtek arrives (Neil Cafferkey) : 2011-12-09 HIDD Intel 945G 3D Gallium graphics support (Sami) : 2013-02-25 AHI AC97 VIA 686 audio support (Davy Wentzler and Neil Cafferkey) : 2013-03-31 PORT early Raspberry PI native support (Nik Andrews) : 2014-01-16 AHI Envy24 audio chipset support (Davy Wentzler and Neil Cafferkey) : 2017-02-17 PORT Symmetric MultiProcessing smp added for x86 64bit (Michal Schulz) : 2018-10-20 PORT Big Endian ARM : 2021-11-26 NIC Broadcom 44xx ethernet (Neil Cafferkey) : 2023-01-12 NIC Nvidia MCP61 ethernet (Neil Cafferkey) : 2025-11-23 HIDD xHCI USB3 and isoc (Nik Andrews) : 2026-07-25 HIDD Nouveau nvidia for Aros 64bit (Deadwood) [[#top|...to the top]] ===Audio Chipsets=== '''If sound beeps in AHI prefs after Music set then some support is there. Select more than one channel for multiple audio streams, set frequency up to 44 kHz or higher and set the volume if not already set. Ensure you set the music unit 0 to 3 which allows the extra features of the audio card like microphone, line-out, etc).''' ====1996-2000 sb128.audio aka SB16 PCI==== *2021 5.27 as per CREATIVE's website, the model number is the first two digits on the front and first two digits on the back. my card says CT4810 and 161TK110B 995; this translates to CT4816 as the model. The original AudioPCI 3000 card with the ES1370 had a master clock crystal for 44.1 kHz (22.5792 MHz), used an AKM codec (AK4531, non-AC97) and had 4 channel output; Creative later modified the design with a crystal for 48 kHz (24.576 MHz) and Sigmatel AC97 codec (a CT4700 SB128 with a CT5507 chip, AK4531, 22.5792 MHz crystal and TDA7360 speaker power amp). The issue with these cards involved never quite eliminate the effects of resampling on the 64V, it also shows signs of undersized coupling caps. These Ensoniq cards automatically engaged headphone amplifier (with a 4565 opamp). Porting involved [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/b60abd12967144a844980c422ea9e99c056eabca 40897], [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/b7d6511fca6430a63fbaaa390b4f51bf0203a460 40898 configure], [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/f51034cd22759a4ec3a2547bddb3a7169d956eaa 40900 bugs], [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/4f43fc38e3489ea45d12b7b5ba6fff50b69c5746 40901 further bugs], [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/d23c78aec75f049484b6916d27b6804ce858bb2c 40913 memory IO fixes], [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/d256860fe3035016952e88d143c6f2611997f2f3 40914 irq fix]. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Description ! width="10%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Playback ! width="10%" |Recording ! width="35%" |Comments |- | Ensoniq AudioPCI 1000 | 0x1274 | 0x5000 | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested - es1370 (u?) AK4531 (u?) |- | Ensoniq AudioPCI | 0x1274 | 0x5000 | 0x00 | {{yes}} | {{maybe}} | |- | CT4700 Sound Blaster PCI 64 (audioPCI 3000) | 0x1274 | 0x5000 | 0x7c | {{yes}} | {{maybe}} | works - opamp JRC4565(u?) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ensoniq_ES1370 es1370] (u?) |- | CT4750 Sound Blaster 64/PCI | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested - 4565-1056W (u1) stac9708t(u2) [http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=916891 ct5880-dcq] (u3) 24wc012 (u4) |- | CT4751 (SB128PCI) | 0x1274 | 0x8001 | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_Blaster#Ensoniq_AudioPCI-based_cards es1371] (u?) |- | CT4810 Creative AudioPCI64V | 0x1274 | 0x1371 | 0x06 | {{yes}} | {{maybe}} | works |- | CT4811 (SB Vibra 128) | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested |- | CT4812 (Vibra 128) | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested |- | CT4813 | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested |- | CT4815 | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested |- | CT4816 es1373 (vibra 128) | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested but this card has creative's ES1373 as the main chip(U1). it is also different from the other CT4810 (vibra128) in that it does not have a second chip in U2 position. Also there is only one jumper JP1 (2X3). |- | CT5801 HP | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested - es1373 (u3) |- | CT5803 Gateway | 0x1274 | 0x1371 | 0x08 | {{yes}} | {{maybe}} | works 4565-0005b jrc (u1) 4297a-jq ztae0c0002 (u2) es1373 (u3) |- | CT4740 | 0x1274 | 0x1371 | 0x08 | {{yes}} | {{yes}} | |- | CT5805 Compaq OEM Premier Sound Presario 7 | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested - es1373 (u3) |- | CT5806 (Sound Blaster AudioPCI 128D) | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested - 4297A-JO EP (u?) ZTAPWC9933 (u2) es1373 (u3) |- | CT5807 Dell OEM Dimension 8100 | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested - es1373 (u?) |- | CT5808 | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested |- | CT4730 Sound Blaster AudioPCI 64V Ectiva EV1938 | 0x1102 | 0x8938 | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested |- | CT5880 on various motherboards | 0x1274 | 0x5880 | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested [http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mainboards/display/ga-6rx.html Gigabyte GA-6RX] (VIA ApolloPro 266 2001], Gigabyte GA-6VM7-4E mobo, [http://active-hardware.com/english/reviews/mainboard/ga-7vtx.htm Gigabyte GA-7VTX] (KT266 2001), Gigabyte [http://www.amdboard.com/gigabytega7vtxh.html GA-7VTXH] (KT266A 2001), [http://www.amdboard.com/gigabytega7vrxp.html Gigabyte 7VRXP] mobo (KT333 2002), MSI MS-6309, MS-6318, MS-6337 (815E Pro), MS-6339 (850Pro) and MS-6340, PCChips Motherboard M571 TXPRO, Soltek SL-65ME+, |- | VMware Virtual Workstation(TM) | 0x1274 | 0x1371 | 0x02 | {{Yes|but not Hi-Fi modes}} | {{maybe}} | works |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} <pre> Revision 0x04 = ES1371 REV_ES1373_A Revision 0x06 = ES1371 REV_ES1373_B Revision 0x07 = ES1371 REV_CT5880_A Revision 0x02 = CT5880 REV_CT5880_C Revision 0x03 = CT5880 REV_CT5880_D Revision 0x04 = CT5880 REV_CT5880_E Revision 0x09 = ES1371 REV_ES1371_B Revision 0x00 = EV1938 REV_EV1938_A Revision 0x08 = ES1371 REV_ES1373_8 </pre> ====1999-2001 via-ac97.audio==== *2021 5.10 {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Description ! width="10%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Playback ! width="10%" |Recording ! width="35%" |Comments |- | <!--Description-->694X with 686A KT133 PM133 or 693A with VT8231 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1106 | <!--Product ID-->0x3058 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes| }} redirects earphones correctly | <!--Recording-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Comments-->audio controller works but depends on the underlying invisible codec used see AC97 section |- | <!--Description-->686B KT133A with VT8231 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1106 | <!--Product ID-->0x3058 | <!--Revision-->0x50 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes|}} reroutes ear pieces right | <!--Recording-->{{Yes|}} | <!--Comments-->audio controller works but depends on the underlying codec used see AC97 section below |- | <!--Description-->686C | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1106 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->KM266 or KT266 with VT8233, KT266A with VT8233A, VT8233C | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1106 | <!--Product ID-->0x3059 | <!--Revision-->0x10 | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->KM333 KT333 with VT8235 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1106 | <!--Product ID-->0x3059 | <!--Revision-->0x30 | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->KM400 KT400 with VT8237, KT600 with VT8237R, | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1106 | <!--Product ID-->0x3059 | <!--Revision-->0x40 0x50 0x60 | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====1998-2003 emu10kx.audio - Creative Labs SoundBlaster Live! and Audigy==== *2021 6.5 {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Description ! width="10%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Playback ! width="10%" |Recording ! width="35%" |Comments |- | PCI512 CT4790 (emu10k1) | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x0 | <!--Playback--> {{unk}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | untested (1st Gen) |- | Live CT4620 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x0 | <!--Playback--> {{unk}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | untested |- | Live CT4760 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x07 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | playback works |- | Live Value CT4670 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x0 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | works plays stereo (2nd Gen) |- | Live Value DELL CT4780 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x06 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | plays/records stereo - untested 4.1mode |- | Live Value Compaq CT4830 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x0 | <!--Playback--> {{Maybe}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | not working |- | Live Value CT4831 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x00 | <!--Playback--> {{unk}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | untested |- | Live Value CT4832 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x07 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{partial|Line-In only}} | works |- | Live Value CT4832 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x08 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{maybe}} | works |- | Live Value HP CT4870 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{maybe}} | Works |- | Live Value Gateway CT4871 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | | <!--Playback--> {{unk}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | untested |- | Live! Platinum 5.1 SB0060 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x00 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{yes}} | plays audio/records, untested 5.1 (3rd Gen) |- | Live 5.1 SB0100 -SFF | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x00 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{maybe}} | works |- | Live 5.1 Player SB0220 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x0a | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{yes}} | plays audio/records stereo, untested 5.1 |- | Live 5.1 Digital SB0228 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x0a | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{yes}} | working |- | Audigy SB0090 (emu10k2) | 0x1102 | 0x0004 | | <!--Playback--> {{unk}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | untested |- | <!--Description-->Audigy SB0230 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1102 | <!--Product ID-->0x0004 | <!--Revision-->0x03 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Yes|Mic only}} | <!--Comments-->5th Dec 2012 - untested optical tos link. contains also IEEE1394/Firewire (untested) |- | Audigy 2 Platinum 6.1 SB0240 SB0250 EMU10K2.5 | 0x1102 | 0x0004 | 0x04 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{maybe}} | works |- | Audigy 2 PRO SB0280 EMU10K2.5 | 0x1102 | 0x0004 | | <!--Playback--> {{unk}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | untested |- | Audigy 2 ZS SB0350 | 0x1102 | 0x0004 | 0x04 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{yes}} | |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | Live 5.1 DELL SB0200 SB0203 emu10kx | 0x1102 | 0x0006 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | |- | Live 24bit SB0410 | 0x1102 | 0x0007 | 0x | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | Live 24bit DELL SB0413 | 0x1102 | 0x0007 | 0x | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | Audigy LS SB0310 | 0x1102 | 0x0007 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | Audigy SE 7.1 SB0570 | 0x1102 | 0x0007 | | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | Audigy 2 ZS SB0320 SB0360 (PRO) | 0x1102 | 0x0008 | | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | Audigy 2 VALUE SB0400 | 0x1102 | 0x0008 | | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | Audigy 4 VALUE SB0610 | 0x1102 | 0x0008 | | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | Audigy 4 PRO SB0380 | 0x1102 | 0x0008 | | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | EMU E-MU 0404 PCI (not USB) EM8852 | 0x1102 | 0x000 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver but linux support needs firmware |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} the green jack is for the main speaker pair AND headphones, so manual switching will be required If your card is wired for the "AC97" standard, then it's up to your headphone jack to switch the green speaker output in and out the headphone jack has Normally-closed contacts that will open on insertion, which breaks the signal path back to the sound card (FP_RETURN) ====2000-2010 cmi8738.audio - C-Media==== *2021 5.20 ;Read [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2512 more] and imported on [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/aff741d60160c6a9d7d39c9e004a25ea3aa13847 20th July 2011] and [http://alsa.opensrc.org/Cmipci alsa docs]. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Description ! width="10%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Playback ! width="10%" |Recording ! width="35%" |Comments |- | Audiotrak MAYA EX5 | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | cmi8738-sx 4ch | 0x13f6 | 0x0111 | 0x10 | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | e3dx hsp56 CMedia 8738-sx 4ch | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | EDio SC3000D 6ch | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Genius SoundMaker Value PCI C3DX | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Guillemot Maxi Sound Muse | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Hercules Gamesurround Muse LT | 0x13f6 | 0x0111 | 0x10 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{no}} | |- | Hercules Gamesurround Muse XL LT 5.1 | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Inno audio extreme 5.1 cmi8738/lx pci 6ch | 0x13f6 | 0x0111 | 0x | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | M-Audio (Midiman) DiO 2448 | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Sabrent SBT-SP6C 6ch | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | StarTech PCISOUND4CH 8738sx 4ch | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Sweex SC012 CMI8738-lx 4ch | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Terratec 5.1 PCI | 0x13f6 | 0x0111 | 0x10 | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Terratec Aureon Fun 5.1 | | | | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | Has SPDIF |- | Trust Sound Expert Digital Surround 5.1 (cm8738-mx 6ch) | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Turtle Beach Riviera CMI8738-MX 6ch | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | XSonic CMI 8738 6ch | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->CMI8738 6ch PCI-E PCI Express version | <!--Vendor ID-->0x13f6 | <!--Product ID-->0x0111 | <!--Revision-->0x10 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes|}} | <!--Recording-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--Comments-->Chinese based card with playback tested so far |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====2001-2005 ac97.audio==== *6.4 27-12-2008 The AC97 chips were designed to be pinout interchangeable so that the sound support could change easily and quickly without motherboard redesigns the green jack is for the main speaker pair AND headphones, so manual switching will be required If your card is wired for the "AC97" standard, then it's up to your headphone jack to switch the green speaker output in and out, the headphone jack has Normally-closed contacts that will open on insertion, which breaks the signal path back to the sound card (FP_RETURN) The ProductID and VendorID are for the audio controller only - the important additional codec is '''NOT''' so easily identified. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Description ! width="10%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Playback ! width="10%" |Recording ! width="35%" |Comments |- | <!--Description-->Avance Logic (now Realtek) ALC100 and ALC101 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->ALC200 and ALC201 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->ALC201A and ALC202 and ALC202A codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->ALC650 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->most Nforce2 boards plays audio only - Abit NF7, Asus A7N8X, MSI K7N2, Epox 8RDA+, DFI |- | <!--Description-->ALC850 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->no support for via P4P800 chipset on ASUS A8V-E SE Deluxe mobo - ICaros 1.3 |- | <!--Description-->Realtek ALC653 codec and ALC655 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested Acorp 7NFU400 |- | <!--Description-->Realtek ALC658 codec ALC658D | <!--Vendor ID-->0x8080 | <!--Product ID-->0x24c5 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes|Prefs Music and Units 0-3 set volume control - playback}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->MSI Motherboard on NB 22-09-2012 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->AD1881 SoundMAX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments-->Analog Devices first AC97 |- | <!--Description-->AD1881A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Yes}} | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments-->works with VIA Controller - untested Intel etc |- | <!--Description-->AD1881B | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->AD1885 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->Playback only with issues on D845HV but not working on MS-6367 because Units 0-3 have masked volume control |- | <!--Description-->AD1886 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->AD1887 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ADI AD1888 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments--> Icaros 1.51 |- | <!--Description-->AD1980 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->AD1981A codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested IBM X30 |- | <!--Description-->Analog Devices SoundMax(TM) AD1981B codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->plays back only on IBM T41 Thinkpad |- | <!--Description-->AD1985 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->not working ahi prefs freezes on D865GLC mobo ([http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/multimedia/display/int-sound2_3.html ] |- | <!--Description-->AD1986 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested [http://uk.ts.fujitsu.com/rl/servicesupport/techsupport/Boards/Motherboards/Fujitsu/D1931/D1931.htm D1931] but works (Acer Aspire 3610 laptop) |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->Crystal Semiconductors CS4205, CS4202 codecs | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Cirrus Logic CrystalWare 4236 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Cirrus Logic CrystalClear SoundFusion CS4297 CS4299 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested IBM T23 |- | <!--Description-->conexant Cx20468-31 codec (id 30) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x103c | <!--Product ID-->0x3085 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No|AC97 appears in AHI Prefs}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->Tested AspireOS 1.8 on Gateway W322 |- | <!--Description-->ESS Technology ES1921 AC'97 2.1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->CMI 6501 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested on ASROCK SKT-AM2 AM2NF3-VSTA |- | <!--Description-->codec CMI9738 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->codec CMI9739 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->C-Media CMI 9739A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments--> untested on EPoX 8RDA3+ |- | <!--Description-->CMedia CMI 9761A codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested ASRocK K7NF2-RAID |- | <!--Description-->C-Media CMI9880 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->National Semi conductor (now TI) LM4540, LM4543, LM4545, LM4546, LM4548, LM4549, LM4550 LM4560 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->STAC9708T codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->SigmaTel (now IDT) C-Major STAC 9460 (D/A only), 9461, 9462, 9463, 9200, 9202, 9250, 9251, 9220, 9221, 9223, 9750 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->AKM (Asahi Kasei Microsystems) AK 4540, 4543, 4544A, 4545 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->codec VT1616 (VIA Six-TRAC Vinyl Audio) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->VIA VT1612, VT82C686 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ESStech ESS ES1968 maestro-2 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x125d | <!--Product ID-->0x1968 | <!--Revision-->0x | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ESStech ESS ES1978 maestro2e | <!--Vendor ID-->0x125d | <!--Product ID-->0x1978 | <!--Revision-->0x | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ESStech ESS ES1988 maestro3 allegro-1 codec | <!--Vendor ID-->0x125d | <!--Product ID-->0x1988 | <!--Revision-->0x12 | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Yamaha AC97 ymf-743 YMF752 YMF753 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested ymf-753 |- | <!--Description-->YMF724 YMF744 YMF-754 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | SIS 7018 / Trident 4dwave DX/NX / ALi 5451 | 0x1039 (0x1023 Trident) | 0x7018 (0x2000 Trident DX) (0x2001 Trident NX) | 0x02 | <!--Playback-->{{No}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | no support - introduced early 2000s |- | SIS 7012 | 0x1039 | 0x7012 | | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | working through 1 speaker only took over from SIS7018 (2002 onwards) |- | <!--Description-->Wolfson (now Cirrus Logic) WM9701, WM9701A (AC'97 1.03 spec), WM9703, WM9704 (AC'97 2.1), WM9705, WM9706, WM9707, WM9708 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->WM9709, WM9710, WM9711, WM9712, WM971 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments-->first Microsoft(TM) Xbox DAC sound chip (AC Link compliant D/A converter) |- | <!--Description-->Wolfson WM9717 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | Parallels | | | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | untested |- | VirtualBox | | | | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | working |- | VirtualPC | | | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | untested |- | <!--Description-->Intel 82801AA Proxmox | <!--Vendor ID-->0x8086 | <!--Product ID-->0x | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====2005-20xx HDAUDIO.audio==== *6.36 2025 [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/43b33a9280b10963ca659de2cc3d1cf289b43a87 reset handler] *6.35 202 [] *6.34 2019 AROS One 1.5 upwards *6.29 2018 *6.27 2017 update *6.25 2014 used for most Icaros 2.x *6.20 July 2012 *6.17 Nov 2011 *6.15 Jun 2011 *[http://www.clusteruk.com/SitePortalPage.aspx?siteid=1&did=109 6.13] Sep 2010 {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="5%" |Product ID ! width="5%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Playback ! width="10%" |Recording ! width="35%" |Comments |- | <!--Description-->ALC260 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC262 * ALC262-VD2-GR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->LQFP-48 |- | ALC268 codec | 0x | 0x | 0x | <!--Playback-->{{Yes|Version 6.17 Acer AOA110 and AOA150 netbooks), works (Dell Mini Inspiron 9 and 10v, }} | <!--Recording-->{{Yes|Version 6.17 remove QUERY and select 'Mic 1' as input. Tested with 6.15 as well using QuickRecord and AE 4.0.23 under Icaros 1.4.}} | <!--Comments-->AHI UNITS and Music are set to: hdaudio:HiFi 16 bit stereo++ / Frequency 48000 Hz, Volume +0.0 dB. The hdaudio.config in SYS:Prefs/Env-Archive is WITHOUT the QUERY-line. After changing and saving the config-file turn off and start again the computer. Switch from internal loudspeaker to headphone you must turn off the music before plug in the headphone-cable, otherwise there is no output on the socket. Back from line-out to internal speakers it is the same. |- | [http://blog.foool.net/wp-content/uploads/linuxdocs/sound.pdf Linux docs ALC269] * ALC269Q-GR * ALC269QSRS-GR * ALC269W-GR | 0x | 0x | 0x | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->TQFP 48 pin Power IC Chip From [https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/alsa-devel/patch/1408118123-15849-1-git-send-email-tiwai@suse.de/ ALC269 & co have many vendor-specific setups with COEF verbs, result in the codec stalling] |- | [http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=0321f8479fd670cd510f9912b1120fe7edcf2e07 ALC269VB] * ALC269Q-VB5-GR * ALC269Q-VB6-CG * ALC269Q-VB6-GR | 0x10ec | 0x0269 | 0x100004, 0x100100, 0x100202 | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe|some versions work}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> * v1 works Asus eee PC netbook 901/1000HA 1005HA/1008HA, 1001P, * v2 maybe working Lenovo S9 S10 S10-2 S10-3 under HDAudio version 6.13 * v3 maybe dell wyse 7010 |- | [http://alsa-project.org/db/?f=9c1746c5957b0ce72ff9cfffa312e97d14baf785 ALC269VC aka ALC3202] * ALC269Q-VC2-GR * ALC269Q-VC3-GR | 0x10ec | 0x0269 | 0x100203, | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe|some versions work}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->SMT SMD QFN-48 - * v1 unknown * v2 unknown * v3 x230, dell wyse, |- | ALC272 * ALC272-VA4-GR | 0x10ec | 0x0272 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | * works Acer AOD150 and Acer AOD250 works [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33755&forum=28#616910 Samsung NP-NC10], works Samsung NF210-A02] netbooks, |- | <!--Description-->ALC273 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC270 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC282 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1002 | <!--Product ID-->0x | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No|Version 6.17}} | <!--Recording-->{{No|Version 6.17}} | <!--Comments-->needs retest |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC660 ALC660-VD | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> * works asus F9s, F9e * untested asus w7j, M51SN, A6Tc, A8Sr, |- | <!--Description-->ALC661-GR (2011) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | ALC662 | 0x1043 | 0x82a1 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes|Version 6.17 if QUERY added to top of hdaudio.config}} | <!--Recording-->{{No|Version 6.17 not working for eee pc 900}} | * works Asus eee PC netbook 700/701/900, Atom 270 and 330 mobos, odd clicks (D410 NM10 PineTrail), |- | <!--Description-->[http://outpost.fr/rmaa/ALC663.htm ALC663] | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10ec | <!--Product ID-->0x0861 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No|Version 6.13}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->not bad output like headphone amp part of the codec actually works well but messed up by undersized coupling capacitors to actually support such a low impedance * not working Asus n50vn x71vn, |- | <!--Description-->ALC665 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC666 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC667 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC668 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC670 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->ALC880 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->some 915 and 925 chipset mobos |- | <!--Description-->ALC882M | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | Realtek ALC883 ALC883-GR ALC883D-GR ALC883DTS-GR ALC883DD-GR codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe|some early versions work }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk| }} | 2005 to 2007 HD Audio codec untested (Asus ), |- | Codec ALC885 | 0x10ec | 0x0885 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | ALC888 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | ALC888s * ALC888S-VD2-GR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} MSI Wind U90/U100, | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | LQFP-48 |- | ALC888b | 0x8086 | 0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | untested (D510 NM10 Dual Core PineTrail mobo), |- | ALC888-VD | 0x8086 | 0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | untested |- | ALC889A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes|works if QUERY added to the top of hdaudio.config in Prefs drawer/directory}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | ALC889 Gr | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} with crackles | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | ALC889 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | Tested with MSI H55 board |- | ALC887 ALC887-GR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | * working on ASUS P5KPL/EPU and Gigabyte GA-E350N-Win8 Rev1.0 |- | ALC887-VD-CG | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10ec | <!--Product ID-->0x0887 | <!--Revision-->0x100302 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} Subsystem Id: 0x1458a002 | |- | ALC887-VD | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10ec | <!--Product ID-->0x0887 0x1458 | <!--Revision-->0xa002 | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} index = 2 | ALC887 does not have any volume control ability on the mixer NIDs, so put the volume controls on the dac NIDs instead * working with intermittent corrupting pop popping skipping stuttering sound issues MSI 760GM-P23 (FX), * not working Gigabyte H61MA-D3V, AT3IONT-I Deluxe, |- | ALC887-VD2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | 3jacks |- | ALC887-VD2-GR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | ALC887- | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | ALC892-CG rev | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk| }} | 2011 48-pin LQFP Green package - |- | ALC892 ALC892-DTS-CG rev | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | 2009 introduced * works * not working * untested |- | ALC892 rev | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0x10ec | <!--Product ID-->0x0892 | <!--Revision-->0x100302 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk| }} | 2014 |- | Realtek ALC886-GR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk| }} | LQFP-48 |- | Codec ALC861 ALC861-VD | 0x10ec | <!--Product ID-->0x0663 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | * not working Toshiba Tecra A7 |- | <!--Description-->ALC1200 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | ALC898 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | not working |- | <!--Description-->ALC1500 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC aka ALC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC3232 (aka ALC292) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10ec | <!--Product ID-->0x0292 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC aka ALC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC3234 aka ALC255 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10ec | <!--Product ID-->0x0255 | <!--Revision-->003 | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC aka ALC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC3287 aka ALC257 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{yes| }} | <!--Recording-->{{no| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC aka ALC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC aka ALC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->AD1882 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->AD1883 HD Codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->AD1884 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Analog Devices SoundMAX AD1981 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0 | <!--Product ID-->0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | IBM Thinkpad T60, |- | AD1984 hp-m4 codec | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0 | <!--Product ID-->0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{No}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | * audio not working on Lenovo X61, Thinkpad T61, |- | AD1986 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0 | <!--Product ID-->0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | AD1988 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0 | <!--Product ID-->0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{No}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | <!--Description-->AD1988A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->Cirrus Logic CS4207 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0 | <!--Product ID-->0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | |- | <!--Description-->Cirrus Logic CS4208 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0 | <!--Product ID-->0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20549 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe|very very very low volume}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested Fujitsu Amilo SI 1510 1520 no datasheet for the general public |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20549-12Z codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested HP 530 |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20561 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> * working lenovo x200s * untested Lenovo Essential G555 Notebook, HP Pavilion dv6700, |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20582 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX2059x CX20590 CX20594-21Z codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20585 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> * working Lenovo Thinkpad T410, |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20672 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20671 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20751-21Z codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{yes| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX11852 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX11880 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Conexant after 2015 up to 2018 CX7501 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no|no driver codec}} | <!--Recording-->{{no|no driver codec}} | <!--Comments-->Conexant bought by synaptics 2019 |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->C-Media CMI9880 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->Gigabyte GA-8GPNXP |- | <!--Description-->Silicon Labs 3054 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | VIA 1708A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | untested, |- | VIA VT1708B | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | 0x0010 | <!--Playback-->{{No|VIA PicoITX}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | VIA 1708S | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | <!--Description-->VT2021 10ch | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments-->Gigabyte Z77MX-D3H, GA-H61M-S2H‎ S2P, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Creative CA0110-IBG | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->SigmaTel STAC 9220 9221 9223 8ch (7+1) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->ECS 945GCT/M-1333 (version 3.0), |- | IDT SigmaTec [http://explorer.cekli.com/articles/pdf/hd-audio STAC9227] /28/29/30 codec | <!--Vendor ID-->0x8384 | <!--Product ID-->0x7626 | <!--Revision-->0x0002 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | * works HP Compaq mini 110 * untested HP Pavilion HDX9000 CTO Notebook, Intel DG33TL mobo, Dell E520, Intel DP35DP mobo, Dell E6410 Laptop, |- | IDT (formerly SigmaTel) IDC STAC 9271/71D | <!--Vendor ID-->0x8384 | <!--Product ID-->0x7626 | <!--Revision-->0x0002 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | <!--Description-->IDC STAC 9272 9273 9274 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments-->Intel D5400XS, |- | <!--Description-->IDT 92HD73C | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{yes}} | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments-->headphones only Asus AT4NM10 mobo |- | <!--Description-->IDT 92HD75B | <!--Vendor ID-->0x111d | <!--Product ID-->0x7608 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> * working [http://koti.kapsi.fi/jvaltane/aros/hdaudio/ HP Compaq Mini 700 Netbook - feedback required] * untested HP Mini 5103 and 5102, HP Compaq 610, HP ProBook Laptop 4520s 4525s 6450b 6550b 6555b, HP EliteBook 2540p 2740p 8440p, Mobile Workstation 8540w 8740w, Pavilion NoteBook DV8, |- | <!--Description-->IDC 92HD81XX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->IDC 92HD83XX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->IDC STAC 92HD89XX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->IDC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->IDC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->IDC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->IDC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Wolfson (now Cirrus Logic) WM8850 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Wolfson WM8860 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments-->Intel High Definition Audio Revision 1.0. - 4-Channel DAC, 4-channel ADC. - DAC sampling |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} Using Prefs/AHI ensure you set the music unit and at least Units 0 (where most audio comes from) in top left drop down menu to HDaudio - HIFI in the section below. Set Units 1 or 2 to microphone or other outputs. Plus allow more than one channel for multiple audio streams and set frequency up to 44 kHz or higher on the right hand side of the ahi prefs. If sound beeps when you press the test button then all should be OK. Output <- Codec <- Audio Controller (HDA) <-> Computer codecs and exact hardware identifier. As mentioned above, HDA is only part of the work here, it gets the audio out of the main chipset in digital format (on a bus called I2S). This is not enough, there is another step needed which is routing that I2S signal to the output, converting it to actual audio, amplifying it, etc. This is handled by a separate chip called a "codec". Sometimes it is initialized by the BIOS, but this is not always the case. Most audio drivers are made up of two parts a [http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sound/alsa/HD-Audio.txt Controller + a Codec]. The ProductID and VendorID are for the audio controller only - the important additional codec is '''NOT''' so easily identified. Some newer versions of codecs are missing at the moment. Things to try if sound not working * try to connect something to the audio jack, maybe it is not playing on internal speakers or vice versa * make sure you try and select all music units e.g. unit0, unit1.... * even if PCI ID's are in Prefs/Env-Archive/HDaudio.config, this doesn't mean it is working, it is the codec that matters * it might be internally muted <pre> add debug=memory to grub boot line - continue booting with F10 Open a shell Tools/Debug/Bifteck > RAM:audio.txt </pre> or <pre> Open a shell Tools/Debug/Sashimi > RAM:audio.txt Run ahi prefs Click test tone button Stop sashimi with Ctrl-C </pre> If the boot sound is enabled, you have to use Bifteck to capture AHI debug output. In the GRUB menu, press E on your selected entry, then add "debug=memory" to the options (alongside ATA=, vesa= etc.). Then F10 or Ctrl-X to boot. Once booted, run Tools/Debug/Bifteck again. or * try adding QUERYD to the start of ENVARC:hdaudio.config file (also known as Prefs/Env-Archive/) ie. on the first line * '''OR''' try removing QUERY and QUERYD from the start of the hdaudio.config file * Reboot * open a shell * type: sys:tools/debug/sashimi > ram:debug.txt * open ahi prefs * select one of the audio modes - HIFI or otherwise * press the 'test sound' button * press ctrl-c in the shell * post the results to Aros-World The HD Audio standard was designed to be hardware pinout interchangeable so that the sound support could change easily and quickly. HDA is a standard around particular chips. Each kind of chip has a certain number of DACs and pins, and even the same chip could be hooked up in different ways on different motherboards. The chips are programmable and the operating system can adjust how things are routed. Some pins aren’t even hooked up, so it makes no sense to route sound to them. Also some pins have sensors that can tell when something is plugged in, so that for example the speakers in a laptop can be muted when headphones are plugged in. Pins are also grouped, so for example all the outputs for a 5.1 sound system are grouped. Generally the HDA driver in the operating system is supposed to read the pin set up and figure out a reasonable way to set things up, and disconnected pins should be ignored, etc. HDAudio standard has headphones on a separate DAC, and it's up to the driver.. it can even send different audio to the headphones without interrupting the main (green) outputs ====Envy24 series ==== A little history. VIA bought the ICE created Envy chipsets [http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/audio/controllers/comparison_controller.jsp VT1712] first. A few years later, they created several cheaper variants VT1724 (mixer missing), VT1721 (low end cut down), VT1720 (embedded on motherboard) and lastly the VT1723 (no support apart from Windows Envy24DT like SYBA SD-PEX63034). There are PCI Express versions appearing. The Envy24 is the base product that was originally designed by ICEnsemble, and it supports multi-channel hardware mixing, which is great for professional use. The HT version removes the hardware mixer (unimportant for non-professional uses). The [http://www.avsforum.com/t/364771/envy24ht-s-the-definitive-source HT-S] version is almost exactly the same as the HT, it just uses cheaper DACs. The PT version is exactly the same as the HT-S version, it is just the edition used for on-board audio on motherboards. N.B. [http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec04/articles/pcnotes.htm PCI slot identification] and [http://hsi.web.cern.ch/HSI/s-link/devices/s32pci64/slottypes.html 3.3v PCI]. =====[http://www.opensound.com/readme/README.Envy24.html envy24.audio] - [http://www.anime.net/~goemon/alsa/ VT1712] ===== {| class="wikitable" ! Description ! Vendor ID ! Product ID ! Revision ! Playback ! Recording ! Comments |- | M-Audio Delta 66 - Rev B 1999 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested AK4524VF CS8404A-CS - needs Delta Series break out box with D-sub lead - |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles/maudioaudiophile/index.html Audiophile 2496] Rev A 2000 | 0x14 | 0x | | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{unk| }} | works audio out on - I2S stereo codec AKM AK4528VF with the 24bit/96kHz DAC and ADC; CS8427 digital transceiver |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles/maudioaudiophile/index.html Audiophile 2496] Rev B 2003 | 0x14 | 0x | | <!--Playback-->{{Yes }} | <!--Recording--> | works well - I2S stereo codec AKM AK4528VF with the 24bit/96kHz DAC and ADC; CS8427 digital transceiver |- | M-Audio Delta 410 - 2001 2001 REV-B | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested for D-A AK4529VQ converters with CS8427-CS 5532 1158B or Event Echo Gina 20-Bit Multitrack Interface Breakout Box - |- | M-Audio Delta 1010 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested AK5383 and AK4393 - 25 pin dsub - |- | M-Audio Delta 1010LT 1010E | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested for D-A AK4529 converters with 2 XLR Microphone inputs with pre amps * be aware of redesign in 2007 - possible issues |- | M Audio Delta 44 - Rev A 2002 - Rev B 2003 - Rev D 2003 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested ICE1712G AK4524VF needs breakout box with 15 pin D-sub lead - |- | M-Audio Delta 66 Rev E 2006 - Omni Studio | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested needs break out box with 15 pin D-sub lead - |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio Delta DiO 2496 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Terratec EWX24/96 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/terratecdmx6fire/index.html TerraTec 6fire DMX 24/96] | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1412 | <!--Product ID-->0x1712 | <!--Revision-->0x02 | <!--Playback-->{{No|tried line 1-2 3-4 5-6 7-8 }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | untested - AKM and codec |- | <!--Description-->Terratec EWSA88MT | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | [http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-multimedia/2007-March/006087.html Audiotrak Prodigy HD2] 24/96 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Audiotrak (ESI) Maya 1010 1010L | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | EMU 1212M | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | EMU 1616M | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | <!--Description-->Terratec EWS 88MT EWS 88D | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Hoontech Soundtrack DSP 24 Soundtrack DSP 24 Value Soundtrack DSP 24 Media 7.1 Event Electronics EZ8 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Digigram VX442 Lionstracs Mediastation Terrasoniq TS 88 Roland/Edirol DA-2496 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} =====envy24ht.audio - VIA VT1724===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Description ! width="10%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Playback ! width="10%" |Recording ! width="35%" |Comments |- | ESI Juli@ | 0x3031 | 0x4553 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Yes}} | reported working years ago [http://envy24.svobodno.com/ Envy24HT-S] - AKM 4358 DAC - AKM 4114/4112 DIT |- | ESI Juli@ Ego Igo rev K | 0x3031 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | AK4358? DAC - AK4114 AK4112 DIT |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/multimedia/m-audio-revolution51.html M-Audio Revolution 5.1] | 0x1412 | 0x3631 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | reported working years ago but discontinued - (Envy24GT) - 3ch AKM 4358 DAC - ADC AKM 5365 - |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/m-audio-revolution71/index.html M-Audio Revolution 7.1] 24/192 | 0x1412 | 0x3630 0x1724 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | not working - illegal semaphore - 6ch ADC AKM AK4355 24-bit 192 kHz - 2ch DAC AKM AK4381 24-bit 192 kHz - ADC AKM AK5380 |- | Terratec Aureon Sky 5.1 | 0x153b | 0x1147 | 0x | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | untested - discontinued |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/terratec-aureon71/index.html Terratec Aureon Space 7.1] | 0x153b | 0x1145 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | untested - Wolfson WM8770 DAC, AC'97 codec SigmaTel STAC9744 |- | Terratec Aureon Universe 7.1 | 0x153b | 0x1153 (rev x) 0x1724 (rev3) | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | not working - semaphore error on rev 3 - DAC ADC |- | Terratec Phase 22 | 0x153b | 0x1150 | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | untested - Envy24HT-S - AK4524 |- | Terratec Phase 28 | 0x153b | 0x1149 | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | untested - Envy24HT-S - AK4524 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Playback | Recording | Revision | Comments |- | Audiotrak (ESI) Prodigy 7.1 | 0x4933 | 0x4553 | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | no driver - Wolfson WM8770 and AC'97 SigmaTel STAC9744 codec |- | Audiotrak (ESI) Prodigy 7.1 LT | 0x3132 | 0x4154 | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | no driver - |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/sound/audiotrak-prodigy192.html Audiotrak (ESI) Prodigy 192] 24/96 | | | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | no driver - STAC9460S codec |- | <!--Description-->Echo Layla 24/96 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | [http://www.bit-tech.net/custompc/labs/80752/hercules-gamesurround-fortissimo-4.html Hercules Gamesurround Fortissimo 4] | | | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | no driver - Wolfson WM8776 Codec and WM8766 DAC |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/multimedia/m-audio-audiophile192.html M-Audio Audiophile Delta AP 192k] | 0x1412 | 0x3632 | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | no driver - Stereo ADC AKM AK5385A 24-bit 192 kHZ - 8-channel DAC AKM AK4358 24-bit 192 kHz - AKM 4114/4112 DIT |- | ONKYO SE-150PCI | 0x160b | 0x0001 | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | no driver |- | <!--Description-->ESI Waveterminal 192x | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Quartet | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments--> - AKM 4114/4112 DIT |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====hdmiaudio.audio - hdmi no support==== {| class="wikitable" ! Description ! Vendor ID ! Product ID ! Revision ! Comments |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->ATI R6xx HDMI Audio codec support output | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1002 | <!--Product ID-->0x9840 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->Not detected |- | <!--Description-->NVidia HDMI | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Intel Series 6 CougarPoint HDMI codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Intel HDMI | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |} [[#top|...to the top]] ===Graphic GFX Chipsets=== [https://gallium.readthedocs.io/en/latest/systems.html PCIe based] graphic chipset is defacto on 64bit AROS and recommended on 32bit. AGP works on 32bit but faster transfers through the AGP slot are only available on a few supported motherboard chipsets * Faster AGP Working = SIS 650 board, Intel 865pe AGP slot on MSI 6788-050, * Not Supported = NForce2 chipsets, most Intel 815/820 chipsets, VIA chipsets, ALi chipsets, The fallback for all graphics modes is vesa if any native support does not work. There is a choice of very low resolution vga as the last resort 2D tests performed with [http://download.aros3d.org/software/gfxbench.zip gfxbench] in the shell type gfxbench > out.txt (40 seconds blank screen is part of the test), via FreeDoom via limit-removing engine like odamex, chocolate or vanilla doom -timedemo demo1 or doom2 -timedemo demo1, doom.exe -iwad doom2 -file mymap.wad, Duke DNRATE 640x480 windowed 3D tests performed with Demos/Mesa/ , Cube 1080p, Cube 2 windowed not fullscreen 1920 x 1025, Quake3 ~ cl_drawFPS 1, Xonotic , [http://shinh.skr.jp/sdlbench/showtestgl.cgi test gl], HDMI, DVI and DisplayPort monitors have a native resolution of 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p and up <pre> HDMI (licensing fee) 1.2 720p res. 1.3 1080 resolution 1.4 4K @ 30Hz 2.0 4K @ 60Hz 2.1 48Gbs for 4K @ 120Hz, 8K @ , VRR, etc 2.2 ultra96 </pre> <pre> DisplayPort (VESA introduced) 1.4 4K @ 60Hz 2.1 96Gbs for 4K @ 240Hz, 8K @ 120Hz. MST daisy chain multiple monitors, </pre> <pre> GPMI chinese standard 2.0 </pre> *OpenGL4 must have 64-bit floating point FP64 math support. The last revision opengl 4.6 (2017) on [https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/AMDGPU AMDGPU] RX 5000's / 6000s ([https://forum.batocera.org/d/7491-enable-opengl-46-and-vulkan-for-an-old-radeon-video-card RDNA] and Nvidia RTX might come to AROS) but Intel UHD, Iris Plus or Xe or Arc will not unless a developer wants the challenge - [https://docs.mesa3d.org/relnotes/20.0.0.html#mesa-20-0-0-release-notes-2020-02-19 Mesa 20.0.0] implements the OpenGL 4.6 API, but the version reported by glGetString(GL_VERSION) or glGetIntegerv(GL_MAJOR_VERSION) / glGetIntegerv(GL_MINOR_VERSION) depends on the particular driver being used and may report a lower version depending on each driver. Mesa 20.0.0 implements the Vulkan 1.2 API, but the version reported by the apiVersion property of the VkPhysicalDeviceProperties struct depends on the particular driver being used. *OpenGL3 last revision 3.3 (2011) *OpenGL2 nvidia-nouveau on Aros 32bit, *OpenGL1 intel gma950 on Aros 32bit and 64bit, ====vga.hidd==== {| class="wikitable" ! Description ! Vendor ID ! Product ID ! Revision ! Comments |- | | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | Generic VGA Driver, limited to 640x480 in 16 colours - no 3D support |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====vesa.hidd==== {| class="wikitable" ! Description ! Vendor ID ! Product ID ! Revision ! Comments |- | | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | 2D support for VBE1, VBE2 and VBE3 (most cards) - various resolutions and 24bit colour - no 3D support |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} [[#top|...to the top]] ====[[w:en:Intel GMA|Intel GMA]]==== DVI output is not supported at the moment. If having problems: * Ensure the latest version is being used. * Set GMA_MEM to 128 or 256 to test * Try the FORCEGMA ToolType for 2D, and try the FORCEGALLIUM ToolType for 3D acceleration after 2D is verified to work. ToolTypes should be applied to the Devs/Monitors/IntelGMA monitor icon. If still having problems: * At GRUB boot screen edit boot line and add option: debug=memory * Boot. * Use shell command: tools/debug/bifteck > RAM:debug.txt * And post [GMA MONITOR DETECTION] and other related debug lines {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="5%" |Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="5%" |Product ID ! width="3%" |Rev ! width="5%" |2D ! width="5%" |3D ! width="5%" |Analog Output ! width="5%" |Digital Output ! width="5%" |Laptop LCD ! width="30%" |Comments |- | 910GL 82910GL GMCH + ICH6 | 0x8086 | 0x2582 0x2592 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Unk}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | 910GML 82910 GML GMCH + ICH6 Mobile | 0x8086 | 0x2582 0x2592 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Unk}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | may need to add forceGMA to grub boot line to work |- | 915G 82915G GMCH + ICH6-M | 0x8086 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Unk}} | <!--3D-->{{Unk}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | |- | 915GL 82915GL GMCH | 0x8086 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Unk}} | <!--3D-->{{Unk}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | |- | 915GV 82915GV GMCH | 0x8086 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | HP DC5100 small form factor |- | 915GM GMA900 | 0x8086 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> {{Yes| }} | <!--3D--> {{Unk| tunnel gearbox }} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Yes}} | asus eee pc 900 |- | 915GMS | 0x8086 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> {{Yes| }} | <!--3D--> {{Unk| tunnel }} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Yes| }} | |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | [http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Graphics-Media-Accelerator-950.2177.0.html 945GU] - 133 MHz (Lake port for Intel A100 and A110) | 0x8086 | 0x2772 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> {{Yes| }} | <!--3D--> {{Unk| }} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | Fujitsu LifeBook U1010, |- | 945GMS - 166 MHz / 250 MHz (1.05V) | 0x8086 | 0x27a2 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> {{Yes| }} | <!--3D--> {{Unk| }} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Yes}} | Dell D430 |- | 945GSE - 166 MHz (for Atom) | 0x8086 | 0x27ae | 0x0 | <!--2D--> {{Yes| }} | <!--3D--> {{Yes|[http://www.x.org/wiki/GalliumStatus]}} | {{Yes}} | {{No|dvi port}} | {{Yes| }} | for atom motherboards and most 2008/2009 netbooks * 3D Works - AOA110 AOA150, Dell Mini 9, Samsung NC10, Toshiba NB100, |- | 945G 82945G GMCH + ICH7 | 0x8086 | 0x27a6 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Unk}} | <!--3D-->{{Unk}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | untested 2D and 3D |- | 945GC 82945GC MCH | 0x8086 | 0x27a6 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Unk}} | <!--3D-->{{Unk}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | untested 2D and 3D |- | 945PM | 0x8086 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | Dell D420, Compaq nc6400, |- | 945GMS - 250 MHz Calistoga | 0x8086 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> {{Yes}} | <!--3D--> {{Yes|most models}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Yes}} | * 3D Works Dell Latitude 2100, HP Compaq nc6320, Lenovo 3000, Lenovo T60, Samsung Q35, Dell D620, Dell D820, * 3D untested Toshiba Satellite L100-120, Toshiba Portege M400, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Unk}} | <!--3D-->{{Unk}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | GMA 3100 G31 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | works 2D but no 3D |- | GMA 3100 G33 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | works 2D but no 3D |- | [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_GMA GMA 3150] netbooks and nettops | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | works 2D but no 3D. no vga, dvi or hdmi output for nettops |- | <!--Description--> G965 | <!--Vendor ID--> 0x8086 | <!--Product ID--> 0x | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> Q965 | <!--Vendor ID--> 0x8086 | <!--Product ID--> 0x2992 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{No}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> Only tested with VGA output. |- | 965GM X3100 (500 MHz) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | some support 2D but no hardware 3D - could not get it to work with VGA or dvi output * untested Apple MacBook Air, Lenovo Thinkpad X300, Dell Inspiron 1525, Toshiba M9, |- | 960GM X3100 (400 MHz) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | |- | 965M X3100 (400 MHz) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | Dell D830, |- | 965PM ?? | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | Toshiba A9 works with limited 2D acceleration but no hardware 3D |- | GL965 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | works with limited 2D acceleration but no hardware 3D |- | GM965 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | works with limited 2D acceleration but no hardware 3D |- | GMA X3500 G35 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | works with limited 2D acceleration but no hardware 3D |- | <!--Description-->X4500M G41 G43 G45 (400Mhz) Mobile 4 Series | <!--Vendor ID--> 0x8086 | <!--Product ID--> 0x2a42 0x2a43 | <!--Revision-->0x07 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue--> {{No|}} | <!--Digital--> {{No|}} | <!--Laptop LCD--> {{Yes| VESA}} | <!--Comments-->works with limited 2D acceleration but no hardware 3D |- | <!--Description-->GMA 4500M HD (533 MHz) | <!--Vendor ID--> 0x8086 | <!--Product ID--> 0x | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->works with limited 2D acceleration but no hardware 3D |- | <!--Description-->GMA 4700M HD (640MHZ) | <!--Vendor ID--> 0x8086 | <!--Product ID--> 0x2a42 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->works with limited 2D acceleration but no hardware 3D |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====[http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix nouveau].hidd (nvidia pci, agp, pci-e desktop)==== PCIe based nvidia graphics (gfx 8xxx) are the base level for 64bit AROS but earlier models still has some support on 32bit AROS *Desktop, more likely hit rather than miss on early nvidia on Aros 32bit but on Aros 64bit ... *Laptop, limited support for '''very''' early non-optimus (i.e. just Nvidia gfx only so no Intel and nvidia gfx combinations on 32bit but on 64bit ...) Please note that the nouveau project is reverse engineering a nvidia graphics driver but takes time because of [https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ nVidia's closed firmwares], etc * 202 * 2026-07 - DEVS Nouveau.hidd Gallium.hidd Softpipe - LIBS Gallium GLU 20.0 Mesa OpenCL * 2011-10 - DEVS 6.11 Nouveau.hidd 7.4 Gallium.hidd 9.4 Softpipe - LIBS 2.3 Gallium 1.3 GLU 19.0 Mesa OpenCL 1.x * 2011-04 - DEVS 5.31 Nouveau.hidd 7.3 Gallium.hidd 9.3 Softpipe - LIBS 2.2 Gallium 1.1 GLU 18.0 Mesa OpenCL n/a Nouveau support for AROS is limited to OpenGL 2.1 compliance on 32bit even for modern GL4 capable GPUs but on 64bit ... On Aros 32bit OpenCL supports the NV50 (8000 9000) cards, less support in NVC0 fermi cards (300 upwards) On Aros 64bit ADoom3 graphic details ultra, benchmark while playing press the "`" key and type "Timedemo demo1" in the console {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="5%" | Graphic Card ! width="5%" | Aros 32bit 1024 x 768 ! width="5%" | Aros 32bit 800 x 600 ! width="5%" | Aros 32bit 640 x 480 ! width="5%" | Aros 64bit 1024 x 768 ! width="5%" | Aros 64bit 800 x 600 ! width="5%" | Aros 64bit 640 x 480 |- | NV50 Asus EN8400GS SILENT/P/512M PCIe (G98) || || || || || || |- | Gigabyte 8500GT 256M || 42,6 || 57,2 || 68,6 || || || |- | NV96 (G96) Geforce 9500GT 512M || 43 || 53 || 57 || || || |- | NV96 (G96) 9600GT || || || || || || |- | NVA3 (GT215) GT240 || || || || || || |- | NVA5 (GT216) Palit GT220 Sonic 512M || 39,7 || 55,8 || 63,7 || || || |- | NVA8 (GT218) gt210 || || || || || || |- | NVA8 (GT218) ION2 || 38,4 || 53,9 || 61,7 || Not Detected || Not Detected || Not Detected |- | NVC3 (GF106) GT440 GTS 450 || || || || || || |- | NVCF (GF116) NVC0 Fermi GTX 550Ti or GTS 450 v2 || || || || || || |- | NVC8 (GF110) 580GTX || N/A || N/A || N/A || || || |- | NVE0 Kepler GT630 || N/A || N/A || N/A || || || |- | NVE6 (GK106) Kepler GTX660 || N/A || N/A || N/A || || || |- | NVE7 (GK107) GTX 650 || N/A || N/A || N/A || || || |- | NV110 Maxwell GTX 750 || N/A || N/A || N/A || || || |- | NV126 (GM206) GTX950 || N/A || N/A || N/A || unk || unk || unk |- | NV160 family (Turing) GTX 1650 and RTX 2000 upwards with GSP firmware || N/A || N/A || N/A || unknown || unknown || unknown |- | HostGL Ryzen 5 4600H - Nvidia 1650 - Linux mint 21.1 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 150fps || 154fps || 155fps |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | width="5%" | Graphic Card | width="5%" | Aros 32bit 1024 x 768 | width="5%" | Aros 32bit 800 x 600 | width="5%" | Aros 32bit 640 x 480 | width="5%" | Aros 64bit 1024 x 768 | width="5%" | Aros 64bit 800 x 600 | width="5%" | Aros 64bit 640 x 480 |} {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="5%" | Description ! width="5%" | Vendor ID ! width="5%" | Product ID ! width="2%" | Rev ! width="5%" | 2D ! width="5%" | 3D ! width="5%" | Analog Output ! width="5%" | Digital Output ! width=40%" | Comments |- | <!--Description-->tnt1 (nv04) tnt2 (nv05) m64 value (1998) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--3D-->{{No|very slow}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | NV04 Riva TNT TNT2 Fahrenheit freezes on via motherboard chipset so rename agp.hidd in SYS:Devs/Drivers or Monitors |- | <!--Description-->tnt vanta lt (nv06) 1998 /9 | 0x10de | 0x002c | 0x15 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--3D-->{{No|slow}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | <!--Description-->Geforce 256 (nv10) (2000) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--3D-->{{No|slow }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | Geforce256 |- | <!--Description-->Geforce 2 Geforce 3 Geforce 4 (nv20) 2000 / 2 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--3D-->{{No|slow }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | works for some PCI and AGP Geforce2 Geforce3 Geforce4 |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | Geforce FX5200 nv34 (2003) | 0x10DE | 0x0322 0x | 0xA1 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Maybe|VGA15 }} | <!--Digital-->{{Maybe|DVI}} | NV30 GeForce 5 FX Rankine Hardware OpenGL 1.5 - slower than GF MX 4000 for 2D - max 1024 x768 * not working [https://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=92328&page=8 mobos with VIA chipsets 2018] * working (MSI 0x9174) the previous nouveau 5.x driver * Others work with 6.x series XFX PV-T34K-NA, ASUS V9520-X/TD |- | Geforce FX5500 (nv34) (2003) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | works |- | Geforce 5100 (NV34) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | Geforce FX 5200LE (NV34) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5200 Ultra | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | Geforce FX5600 (nv31) (2004) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | works |- | GeForce FX 5600 Ultra | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5600SE | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5600XT | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | Geforce FX5700 (nv36) (2004) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|some}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | |- | GeForce FX 5700VE | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5700 Ultra | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5700LE | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5800 (NV30) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5800 Ultra (NV30) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5900 (NV35) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5900 Ultra | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5900XT | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5900ZT | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5950 Ultra | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | Geforce 5xxx | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | Geforce 6200 (nv44) (2005) | 0x | 0x00F3 0x014F | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|5.28 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| use 5.28}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes|VGA15 and s-video - plain 4pin cable lead will work with 7pin}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | NV40 GeForce 6 GeForce 7 Curie AGP Hardware OpenGL 2.1 needing previous 5.x version as regression arose 2011-10 |- | Geforce 6200 (nv44a) (2006) | 0x | 0x0221 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|5.28 Pixel Text }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes|VGA15}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | Hardware OpenGL 2.1, PCI version tested OK in 2014-01-02 - Icaros 1.5.2 * not working *working |- | GeForce 6200 with Turbo Cache (NV43) | 0x | 0x0161 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | |- | GeForce 6200SE with Turbo Cache (NV44) | 0x | 0x0162 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | Geforce 6200 LE | 0x10de | 0x0163 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | PCI-E |- | GeForce 6600 LE | 0x | 0x00F4 0x0142 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6600 | 0x | 0x00F2 0x0141 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | 2006 PureVideo HD 1 or VP1 re-used the MPEG-1/MPEG-2 decoding pipeline from FX |- | Geforce 6600gt (nv4x) (2005) | 0x | 0x00F1 0x0140 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | OpenGL tests - |- | Geforce 6800 (nv40) (2005) | 0x | 0x0041 0x00C1 0x00F0 0x0211 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6800 XE (NV4x) | 0x | 0x0043 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6800 LE | 0x | 0x0042 0x00C2 0x0212 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6800 GT (quadro fx 1400) | 0x | 0x0045 0x0046 0x0215 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce 6800 GS | 0x | 0x0047 0x00C0 0x00F6 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6800 GTS NV40 | 0x | 0x0040 0x0F9 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce 6800XT | 0x | 0x0044 0x0048 0x00C3 0x0218 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6600 VE | 0x | 0x0143 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6500 NV44 | 0x | 0x0160 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6250 | 0x | 0x0169 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce 6xxx | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | GeForce 7800 GTX | 0x | 0x0090 0x0091 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| tunnel gearbox cube cube2 25}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> 256MB DDR3 - 1 6pin psu connector - * not working asus en7800gtx/2dhtv/256m/osp/a - * Works XFX PV-T70F-UDD7 Works in steve jones' scrap pc aros build 2010 2 DVI-I ports * Untested |- | GeForce 7800 GT | 0x | 0x0092 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce 7600gt (G8 ) (nv4 ) (2006) | 0x | 0x02E0 0x0391 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> OpenGL 2.1 * not working * working |- | GeForce 7800 SLI | 0x | 0x0095 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7900 GTX | 0x | 0x0290 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7900 GT GTO | 0x | 0x0291 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7900 GS | 0x10de | 0x0292 | 0x0a1 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> * not working * Works with a few glitches with XFX Pine 0x2218 |- | GeForce 7950 GX2 | 0x10de | 0x0293 0x0294 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7950 GT | 0x | 0x0295 0x02E4 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7900 GS | 0x | 0x02E3 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7600 GS | 0x | 0x02E1 0x0392 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7650 GS | 0x10de | 0x0390 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7600 LE | 0x10de | 0x0394 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce 7800GS (G8 ) (nv4 ) (2006) | 0x10de | 0x0093 0x00F5 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> * not working * works if AGP motherboard chipset is supported - Hardware OpenGL 2.1 |- | GeForce 7100 GS | 0x10de | 0x016A | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Pixel Text}} | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7350 LE | 0x10de | 0x01D0 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce 7300le (G8 ) (nv4 ) (2006) | 0x10de | 0x01D1 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7300SE 7200GSGF-7200GS-N-B1 variant (G72) | 0x10de | 0x01D3 | 0x0a1 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk|1x DVI, 1x VGA, 1x S-Video}} | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->2007 40W pci-e 1.0 VP1 no unified shaders - * not working Asus on via chipset (2015), * works Asus on intel chipset (2015), |- | Geforce 7300gt (G8 ) (nv4 ) (2006) | 0x10de | 0x0395 0x0393 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> * not working * works |- | GeForce 7300 GS | 0x10de | 0x01DF | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7500 LE | 0x10de | 0x01DD | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce 7xxx | 0x10de | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | GeForce 8800 Ultra (NV50 family) | 0x10de | 0x0194 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->NV50 GeForce 8 to GeForce 200s opengl 3.x - max res - 80nm technology - PureVideo HD 2 or VP2 Nvidia VDPAU Feature Set A (absent from ultra and some 8800gt?) added a dedicated bitstream processor (BSP) and enhanced video processor for H.264, VC-1 acceleration |- | Geforce 8800gts (nv50) (G8x) (2007) | 0x10de | 0x0400 0x0600 0x0193 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2007 200w openGL3 openCL - 2x6pin psu * not working 0x0193 models (2015) on via chipsets, * works |- | Geforce 8800gtx (nv5 ) (G8x) (2007) | 0x10de | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{no| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2008 200W 1x 6pin connector, * not working * working * untested XFX PV-T88P-YDF4, Alpha Dog Edition runs extremely hot - Gigabyte GV-NX88T512H, |- | GeForce 8800 GT | 0x10de | 0x0602 0x0611 0x0193 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->DVI up to 2500 x 1600 | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - 6pin psu power connector required * not working * untested Asus EN8800GT/HTDP/256M EN8800GT/HTDP/512M EN8800GT/G/HTDP/512M * works |- | GeForce 8800 GT (G92) | 0x10de | 0x0611 | 0x0a2 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue-->{{N/A}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes}} | <!--Comments--> opengl 3 pci-e 2.0 8800GT 512MB on Icaros 2.0.3 [[File:8800GT aros heads.png|thumb|8800GT]] [[File:8800GT aros tails.png|thumb|8800GT detail]] |- | Geforce 8600gt (nv5 ) (G8x) (2007) | 0x10de | 0x0401 0x0402 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - max res * not working * works |- | GeForce 8500 GT G86 based chipset | 0x10de | 0x0421 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|32bit and 64bit}} | <!--3D-->{{yes|32bit and 64bit}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> OpenGL tests - max opengl 3.x but 2.1 offered on Aros 32bit and * works Gigabyte 8500 GT, * not working |- | GeForce 8800 GS | 0x10de | 0x0606 0x060D | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - max res |- | GeForce 8600GS | 0x10de | 0x0403 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> openGL 3.x VP3 offers complete hardware-decoding for all 3 video codecs of the Blu-ray Disc format: MPEG-2, VC-1, and H.264 - Nvidia VDPAU Feature Set B |- | GeForce 8300 GS | 0x10de | 0x0423 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - max res |- | Geforce 8400gs G98GS (end 2007) GT218 (2009) * Rev2 with 8/16 cores and 128-512MB of DDR2 or GDDR3 memory. * Rev3 with 8 cores and 512MB-1GB of DDR3 memory (based on Tesla 2.0) | 0x10de | 0x0424 0x0422 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| tunnel 490 gearbox 505 Cube 135 Cube2 55 quake3 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes|works digital part of DVI but nothing from any display port}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|output on digital 24 pin array of DDWG's DVI and hdmi}} | <!--Comments-->2009 50W openGL 3.1 openCL - case single slot - one single-link DVI digital output, supporting up to one 1920x1080 resolution display - analog resolution 640 x 480 to 1024 x 768 16 and 24 bit color - [http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nouveau_comp_2011&num=19 runs a little hotter than expected] - G98 VP3 pci-e 2.0 512MB DDR2 - * not working * works Asus EN8400GS SILENT/P/512M PCIe (G98), |- | Geforce 8400gs (nv50) (G86) (mid-2007) * Rev1 with 16 cores / 256MB of DDR2 memory. | 0x10de | 0x0404 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| tunnel 490 gearbox 505 Cube 135 Cube2 55 quake3 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes|works but not tested thru 4 pins of analog signal of DVI plug}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|output on digital 24 pin array of DDWG's DVI and hdmi}} | <!--Comments-->2008 50W openGL 3.1 openCL - case single slot - one single-link DVI digital output up to 1920x1080 resolution display - analog resolution 640 x 480 to 1024 x 768 16 and 24 bit color - [http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nouveau_comp_2011&num=19 runs a little hotter than expected] - G86 VP2 128MB - * not working XFX PV-T86S-YAJG NVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS 512MB DDR2, Sparkle 8400GS 512MB SX84GS512D2L-DPP, * works Asus EN8400GS SILENT/HTP/256M SILENT/HTP/512M/A, |- | GeForce 8400 SE | 0x10de | 0x0420 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> openGL 2.x openCL |- | NVidia Quadro NVS290 DMS-59 | 0x10de | 0x0403 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{no| }} | <!--3D-->{{no| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk|DMS-59 socket}} | <!--Digital-->{{unk|DMS-59 }} | <!--Comments-->2008 21W - G86S (G86-827-A2) - 16 shading units, 8 texture mapping units, and 4 ROPs. NVIDIA has paired 256 MB DDR2 - PCIe 1.0 x16 Low Profile - |- | Geforce Quadro FX 4600 (SDI), 5600 | 0x10de | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Partial|VESA 2d}} | <!--3D-->{{no| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{partial| }} | <!--Digital-->{{partial| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | GeForce 9800 GX2 (NV50 family) | 0x10de | 0x0604 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Partial|VESA }} | <!--3D-->{{no| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Partial| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2009 150w - 65nm technology |- | GeForce 9800 GTX | 0x10de | 0x0612 | 0x0a2 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->2009 2x6pin psu - * not working xfx on via chipset (2015), * works xfx on chipset intel , |- | GeForce 9800 GTX+ | 0x10de | 0x0613 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - max res 2560 x 1920 - case dual slot - 26amp 12v rail on computer psu if 2x6pin connectors needed - 55nm version of the G92 chip - will not work with PCI-e 1.0a slots - * not working * works on a few models |- | Geforce 9800gt (nv50) (G92a) (2008) | 0x10de | 0x0614 | 0x0xa2 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| tunnel 495 gearbox 513 Cube 156 Cube2 120 Quake3 }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{partial| DVI}} | <!--Comments--> OpenGL 3.1 openCL 1.x - case dual slot - 600w 26amp on both 12v rails for 2x6pin psu on gfx card - no fan control - some come with 1x6pin - renamed version of the venerable GeForce 8800 GT - randomly works * not working Gainward 512M untested * working Gainward CardExpert (0x0401) Green Edition NE39800TFHD02-PM8D92 1024MB (no 6pin) |- | Geforce gf9600 9600gt (nv5 ) (G9x) (2008) | 0x10de | 0x0622 | 0x0a1 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| tunnel 493 gearbox 675 Cube Cube2 100 Quake3 }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Yes| DVI}} | <!--Comments--> OpenGL 3.2 openCL but no fan control - case dual slot - 1 6pin pcie psu connector - 500 Watt or greater power supply with a minimum of 26 Amp on the +12 volt rail - Max Analog: 2048x1536 and Max Digital: 2560x1600 (Dual Link DVI Only) - PCI Express® 2.0 / 1.1 Support - g96 gpu randomly works - * not working bfg tech ocx, * works gigabyte gv-n96tsl-512i - |- | Geforce gf9500 9500gt (nv5 ) (G9x) (2008) | 0x10de | 0x0640 | 0x0a1 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| tunnel 480 gearbox 500 Cube Cube2 64 Quake3 }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Yes| DVI}} | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.2 - case single slot - 350 Watt/400 Watt or greater power supply with a minimum of 18 Amp/22 Amp on the +12 volt rail - Max Analog: 2048x1536 and Max Digital: 2560x1600 (Dual Link DVI Only) - PCI Express® 2.0 / 1.1 Support - * not working zotac zone fanless, Gainward USA NE29500THHD01-PM8796, PNY G9500GN2E50X+0TE, * works xfx xne-9500t-td01-pm8596 1024mb ddr2, |- | GeForce 9600 GS | 0x | 0x0623 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - max res - will not work with PCI-e 1.0a slots - * not working * works |- | GeForce 9600 GSO | 0x | 0x0610 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - max res - G92 chopped down - 9600GSO is re-badged 8800GS both very power hungry cards - |- | GeForce 9300 GS | 0x | 0x06E1 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->2009 opengl 3.x - max res |- | Geforce 9400 GT (nv5 ) (G86S) (2008) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{partial|}} | <!--3D-->{{unk|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk|1x DVI, 1x VGA, 1x S-Video}} | <!--Digital-->{{unk|1x DVI}} | <!--Comments-->2009 50W opengl 3.x - max res |- | Geforce 9xxx (nv5 ) (G9x) (2008) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{unk|}} | <!--3D-->{{unk|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk|}} | <!--Digital-->{{unk|}} | <!--Comments-->2009 opengl 3.x - max res |- | <!--Description-->Quadro FX 580 G96 chipset | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2009 |- | <!--Description--> NV84 (G84) GeForce 8600 (GT, GTS, M GT, M GS), 8700M GT, NV92 (G92) GeForce 8800 (GT, GS, GTS 512, M GTS, M GTX) GeForce 9600 GSO, 9800 (GT, GTX, GTX+, GX2, M GT, M GTX) NV96 (G96) GeForce 9400 GT, 9500 (GT, M G), 9600 (M GS, M GT), NV86 (G86) GeForce 8300 GS, 8400 (GS, M G, M GS, M GT), 8500 GT | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->NVA0 (GT200) Tesla GeForce GTX (260, 275, 280, 285, 295) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GTX 280 (NV50 family) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID-->0x05E1 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{no| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - max res PureVideo HD 4 (Nvidia Feature Set C or "VDPAU Feature Set C), VP4 added hardware to offload MPEG-4 Advanced Simple Profile (original DivX and Xvid) |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GTX 260 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x05E2 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{partial|Vesa}} | <!--3D-->{{no| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> 2 6pin - psu pci express 2.1 - |- | Geforce GTS250 250GTS (g92b) (2009) | 0x10de | 0x0615 | 0x0a2 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| tunnel 486 gearbox 508-642 Cube Cube2 80 Quake3 }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Yes| DVI}} | <!--Comments--> 2x6pin psu VP2 - pci-e 2.x - case dual slots - 738m 1gb ddr3 - * not working Zotac branded version GDDR3 - * works PNY gs-250x-zdfl and Gigabyte ??, BFG Tech RGTS2501024OCE, palit ne3ts250fhd52-pm8a92 with 2x6pin on top and hdmi output port, |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GT 240 (GT215 family) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x0ca3 | <!--Revision-->0xa2 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|use VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 tunnel gearbox}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->late 2009 openGl 3.2 - case dual slots - no 6pin psu required with VP4 - All are pcie 2.1 cards and may not work in 1.0a slots - * not working * DDR3 with 512MB or 1GB - * DDR5 -Asus ENGT240 - XFX Pine GT240XYHFC 0x3001 - Gigabyte GV-N240D5-512I rev 1.0 - Zotac AMP! with HDMI 1.3a with DisplayPort 1.1, Dual Link DVI - * works |- | <!--Description-->GT220 (GT216) G220 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x0a20 | <!--Revision-->0xa2 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI }} | <!--Comments--> Icaros 2.0.3 GeForce GT220 1GB[[File:GT220 aros heads.png|thumb|GT220]][[File:GT220 aros tails.png|thumb|GT220]] * untested NVIDIA Quadro® 400 512MB DDR3 GT216 DP DVI, AFox AF220 1Gb DDR3, |- | Geforce GT220 220GT G94 Tesla (g92b) | 0x10de | 0x0a20 | 0xa2 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| tunnel 490 gearbox 505 cube 150 cube2 50 Quake3 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk|1x DVI, 1x VGA}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI but not 1x HDMI }} | 58W pci express 2.0 cards DDR3 - case single slot - * not working ASUS ENGT220/DI/1GD2(LP)/V2 - * works - gainward card expert 0x0401 GDDr3 512MB - |- | <!--Description-->GT210 GT 210 210GT G210 based on Tesla 2.0 GT218S GT218-300-A2 variant, GT218-300-B1 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x0a65 | <!--Revision-->0xa2 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk|1x DVI, 1x VGA}} | <!--Digital-->{{Maybe|DVI out works but not hdmi or 1x DisplayPort}} | <!--Comments-->2009 31W OpenGL 3.3 pci-e 2.0 cards - single slot - * working GT218 based Asus EN210 based silent low profile large passively cooled - * untested MSI GeForce 210 1GB DDR3 PCIe N210-MD1GD3H/LP, * not working |- | <!--Description-->Nvidia ION2 9400M class (GT218) Tesla | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2012 |- | <!--Description-->Quadro NVS 295 (256 MB GDDR3), NVS 450 (256M/512 MB DDR3) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{partial|2 or 4 dp ports}} | <!--Comments-->2009 25w low performance - G98s with 8 shading units, 4 texture mapping units, and 4 ROPs on PCI-Express 1.0 x16 - *not working some NVIDIA Quadro NVS 295 2 dp ports (DELL, HP), *working |- | <!--Description-->GT310 Tesla 310, 315, GT 320, GT 330 GT 340 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe|6.11 tunnel gearbox}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->2010 50w OpenGL 3.3 openCL all similar in performance to GT2xx except gt31x (poor) |- | <!--Description-->Quadro NVS310 NVIDIA NVS 310 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> 2 dp | <!--Comments-->2012 25w GF119S (GF119-825-A1) 48 shading units, 8 texture mapping units, and 4 ROPs on PCI-Express 2.0 x16 - 512 MB DDR3 - PureVideo VP5 VDPAU Feature Set D - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description--> GTX 470, GTX 480 GF10 GF10* core (NVC0 family) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| tunnel gearbox}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->2010 215w 2x6 plugs - NVC0 family (Fermi) GF100 (GF100-275-A3) Fermi 448 shading units, 56 texture mapping units, and 40 ROPs with 1,280 MB GDDR5 - up to OpenGL4.5 OpenCL1.1 Tessellation - case dual slots - |- | Geforce GTX460 460GTX (G104) 256bit, 1GB v2 192bit and GTX 465 | 0x10de | 0x0e22 | 0xa1 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| tunnel gearbox cube 055-111 cube2 50}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->NVC0 family (Fermi) up to OpenGL 4.x but - 2x6pin psu - case dual slots - * not working evga 768MB GDDR5 192bit 01G-P3-1373-ER or 01G-P3-1372-TR * works 1GB GDDR5 256bit 01G-P3-1371-ER |- | <!--Description-->Geforce GTX 460SE 192bit | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x0e23 | <!--Revision-->0x91 or 0xa1 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Comments-->2010 - 2 6pin psu needed - case dual slots - * not working * works EVGA 01g-p3-1366-b6 et 1024MB p1041 - |- | Geforce GT450 GTS450 450GTS GF106 | 0x10de | 0x0dc4 | 0x0a1 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| tunnel gearbox cube cube2 50 Quake3 }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI }} | 2010 Hardware up to OpenGL 4.2 but nouveau set at 3.3 - most need 1x 6pin psu - case dual slots - * not working * DDR3 1 or 2GB - Palit NEAS450NHD41F, * GDDR5 512Mb or 1GB - MSI MPN N450GTSM2D1GD5OC, Asus MPN ENGTS450DI1GD5, * works Gainward Card Expert NE5S4500FHd51, |- | <!--Description-->GT 440 GF108 chipset or better OEM GF106 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| tunnel gearbox}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->2010 up to openGl 4.1 opencl 1.x - no 6 pin psu - 96 cuda cores 128bit - case dual slots - * not working * OEM * GDDR5 512MB to 1GB ASUSTeK ENGT440/DI/1GD5 * GDDR3 Asus 1gb to 2gb, * works |- | <!--Description-->GT430 430GT (GF108) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe|6.11 tunnel gearbox}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->2010 ddr3 memory 64bit or 128bit - buggy on Aros 32 but * not working * works |- | <!--Description-->nVidia Quadro FX1800 768MB GDDR3 Full Height Graphics Card Workstation | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{no|6.11 tunnel gearbox}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Maybe|DVI-I 2xDP}} | <!--Comments-->59W 768 MB GDDR3 memory using a 192-bit memory interface - OpenGL 3.3 - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->GTX 590 Fermi | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->OpenGL4.4 OpenCL 1.1 - GDDR5 - 6pin and 8pin psu connectors - 512 cuda - case dual slots - * not working * works |- | <!--Description-->GTX 580, | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->PureVideo HD 5" or "VP5" (Nvidia Feature Set D or VDPAU Feature Set D) 4k UHD 3840 × 2160 H.264 decode - |- | <!--Description-->GTX 570, | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> * not working Zotac GTX 570, Gainward GTX560TI/570 Phantom, * works gigabyte, evga |- | <!--Description-->Geforce 5xx 560gtx Fermi GTX 560, | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->opengl 4.x - 2 6pin psu - 384 cuda cores - case dual slots - will not work with PCI-e 1.0a slots - * not working Asus ENGTX560 DC/2DI/1GD5, * Ti LE 448 cuda GDDR5 320bit * Ti 256bit * works |- | <!--Description-->GTX 560 Ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> * not working evga GTX 560Ti 01GP31560KR - Gainward GTX560TI/570 Phantom, * works |- | <!--Description-->GTX 550 Ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x1201 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->can hang on boot up on I2C Init or suffer random lockups on OpenGL apps - most need 1 6pin min 400W 24A on the +12V1 / +12V2 dual 12V rails of the computers' power supply unit - 192 cuda cores - case dual slots used - will not work with PCI-e 1.0a slots - * not working eVGA GeForce GTX 550 Ti (1024 MB) (01GP31556KR) - * untested asus Extreme, eVGA GeForce GTX 550 Ti (1024 MB) (01GP31557KR) - - * works |- | <!--Description-->GT 545 and OEM GF116 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->openGL 4.2 opencl 1.x - GDDR5 with OEM only - |- | <!--Description-->GT530 OEM | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->96 cuda cores - 1GB or 2GB DDR3 128bit |- | <!--Description-->GT520 520GT | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->untested 48 cuda cores - DDR3 64bit |- | <!--Description-->510, GT 530 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D 6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> ddr 3 - 50w max - |- | <!--Description-->GT610 Fermi GF119 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NVS 315 300 GF119S | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{No|VESA}} needs special dms-59 cable | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2013 fermi 315 PNY VCNVS315-T 1Gb DDR3 but needs special dms-59 cable - |- | <!--Description-->GT630 GF108 Fermi | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->not accelerated 2015 - like the GT730 below - 96 cuda cores whilst kepler version has 384 - 128bit to keplers' 64bit bandwidth - kepler has 2GB DDR3 * not working Gigabyte * DDR3 * GDDR5 * works |- | <!--Description-->Geforce GT 730 (two versions) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe| use VESA 6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> fermi version has 96 cuda cores 128bit GF108 * not working Asus * works |- | <!--Description-->nVIDIA Quadro 4000 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} 2 dp ports | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->142W 2Gb GDDR5 - PCI Express 2.0 x16 ; full Height card with 1x 6-Pin PCIe power need - CUDA Cores 256 - OpenGL 4.5 |- | <!--Description-->nVIDIA Quadro 5000 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2011 200W 2.5Gb GDDR5 320 bit - PCI Express 2.0 x16 full Height card with 2x 6-Pin PCIe power need - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GTX Titan GeForce GTX Titan Black GeForce GTX Titan Z | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->NVE0 family (Kepler) GeForce 600 GeForce 700 GeForce GTX Titan Kepler |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GTX 780 GeForce GTX 780 Ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->PureVideo HD 6" or "VP6" (Nvidia Feature Set E or VDPAU Feature Set E) significantly improved performance when decoding H.264 and MPEG-2 |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GTX 770 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->opengl 4.4 opencl 1.1 |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GTX 760 GeForce GTX 760 Ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GT 740 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GT 730 Kepler (two versions) f | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> kepler 384 cores 64bit GK208 |- | <!--Description-->680gtx GK104 core gtx680 680m | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->NVE0 family (Kepler) |- | <!--Description-->GTX 690 Kepler NVE0 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->pci-e 3.0, OpenGL 4.4 OpenCL 1.1 |- | <!--Description-->GTX 670 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->GTX 660 GTX 660 Ti GK104 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2012 up to OpenGL 4.5 |- | <!--Description-->GTX 650 GTX 650 Ti GTX 650 Ti Boost | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2012 NVE0 family (Kepler) most need 1 6pin psu * not working asus ENGTX560 DC/2DI/1GD5 * works |- | <!--Description-->Geforce GT 640 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2012 * 128bit DDR3 * 192bit DDR3 1.5 to 3GB 50W * 128bit GDDR5 75W |- | <!--Description-->GT 620 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2012 up to OpenGL 4.5 |- | <!--Description-->Quadro K2000 NVE7 (GK107) Kepler | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2013 - 50w single slot pcie 2.0 - like 740gs - |- | <!--Description-->NVIDIA® Quadro® K4200 GK104 Kepler | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2014 4Gb GDDR5 - 108W 1 6pin - |- | <!--Description-->NVIDIA® Quadro® K420 1GB DDR3 Kepler | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2014 41W - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->GeForce 750ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2015 [https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/FeatureMatrix.html NV110] Maxwell - |- | <!--Description-->Nvidia GTX 750 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x1381 | <!--Revision-->0xa2 | <!--2D-->{{yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{yes| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{yes|vga on 64bit test }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk|not dp }} | <!--Comments-->2014 and tested in 2026 with latest nouveau test |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Quadro K2200 (GM107) Maxwell | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2014 - 68w single slot pcie 2.0 - |- | <!--Description-->Quadro K620 Maxwell | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2014 50w slim low profile 2gb ddr3 - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NV12B (GM20B) Tegra X1 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{no| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2015 GM206 2nd gen maxwell PureVideo HD 7" or "VP7" (Nvidia Feature Set F or VDPAU Feature Set F) adds full hardware-decode of H.265 HEVC Version 1 (Main and Main 10 profiles and full fixed function VP9 (video codec) hardware decoding |- | <!--Description-->NV124 (GM204) GeForce GTX 980 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x13c0 | <!--Revision-->0x | <!--2D-->{{yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{yes| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NV124 (GM204) GeForce GTX 970 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x13c2 | <!--Revision-->0xa1 | <!--2D-->{{yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{yes| }} | <!--Digital-->{{no| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NV126 (GM206) GeForce GTX 960 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NV126 (GM206) GeForce GTX 950 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{yes| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{yes| }} | <!--Digital-->{{yes| }} | <!--Comments-->2016 |- | <!--Description-->NV120 (GM200) GeForce GTX Titan X | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->NV132 (GP102) NVIDIA Titan (X, Xp), GeForce GTX 1080 Ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 probably little support |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 probably little support |- | <!--Description-->NV134 (GP104) GeForce GTX 1080 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 probably little support |- | <!--Description-->NV134 (GP104) GeForce GTX 1070 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 probably little support - 2 6pin psu ports - |- | <!--Description-->NV136 (GP106) GeForce GTX 1060 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 probably little support up to OpenGL 4.6 |- | <!--Description-->quadro p620 2gb gddr5 128bit and quadro p1000 4gb gt1030 30w | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 50w slim low profile - |- | <!--Description-->GeForce gtx 1060 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->NV130 Pascal |- | <!--Description-->NV137 (GP107) GeForce GTX (1050, 1050 Ti) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 probably little support |- | <!--Description-->NV138 (GP108) GeForce GT 1030 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 probably little support |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->NV130 family (Pascal) |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->NV162 (TU102) NVIDIA Titan RTX, GeForce RTX 2080 Ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2018 needs gsp firmware and latest nouveau version |- | <!--Description-->NV164 (TU104) GeForce RTX (2070 Super, 2080, 2080 Super) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2019 NV160 family (Turing) unified gsp-rm firmware - best starting point for Vulkan support |- | <!--Description-->NV166 (TU106) GeForce RTX (2060, 2060 Super, 2070) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2019 |- | <!--Description-->NV168 (TU116) GeForce GTX (1650 Super, 1660, 1660 Ti, 1660 Super) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2018 |- | <!--Description-->NV167 (TU117) GeForce GTX 1650 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2019 |- | <!--Description-->gtx 1650ti super | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2018 old style |- | <!--Description-->Quadro RTX 4000 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2019 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->NV172 (GA102) GeForce RTX (3080, 3090) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2020 av1 decoding ampere |- | <!--Description-->NV174 (GA104) GeForce RTX (3060 Ti, 3070, 3080 Mobile) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2020 NV170 family (Ampere) |- | <!--Description-->NV176 (GA106) GeForce RTX (3050, 3060) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2021 |- | <!--Description-->NV177 (GA107) GeForce RTX 3050 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->NV192 (AD102) GeForce RTX 4090 ada | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2022 |- | <!--Description-->NV193 (AD103) GeForce RTX 4080 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->NV190 family (Ada Lovelace) |- | <!--Description-->NV194 (AD104) GeForce RTX (4070, 4070 Ti) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NV196 (AD106) GeForce RTX 4060 Ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NV197 (AD107) GeForce RTX 4060 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->Geforce RTX 5090 blackwell GB202 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Quadro RTX Pro 4000 Blackwell | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2024 70w - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |} ==== nouveau mobile integrated ==== If you purchased a 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<!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2014 like a gtx 750 ti - |- | <!--Description-->Geforce GTX 850M GM107 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2014 slower than gtx 750 ti - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->GTX 1650 mobile | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2019 turing architecture - last old skool support pre Vulkan |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->rtx 2050 mobile | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2022 ampere architecture best starting point for vulkan support |- | <!--Description-->rtx 2060 mobile | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->rtx 4060 mobile | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====radeon.hidd==== Michel Shultz ''2D'' graphics driver (standard on most distributions but only for very old GPUs) and bearsofts updated 2013 around Icaros 1.3.1 3D is not implemented by AROS yet but could cover these AMD chipsets <pre> 2014 SI AMD HD 7xxx 2016 GCN3rd AMD R5E R7E 2019 GCN5th AMD Vega 8 2022 RDNA1 AMD RX5500 desktop only 2023 RDNA2 AMD 680M 780M 2024 RDNA3 AMD 880M 890M 2025 RDNA3.5 AMD 8060S strix halo and AI 2027 RDNA4 AMD </pre> {| class="wikitable" ! Description ! Vendor ID ! Product ID ! Revision ! 2D ! 3D ! Analogue Output ! Digital Output ! Laptop LCD ! Comments |- | 7000 (r100) | 0x1002 | 0x5159 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Maybe|vga15 pin connection but not s-video}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 1.3 |- | 7500 (rv200 but still r100 based) | 0x1002 | 0x5157 | 0x | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes|vga15}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 1.3 |- | 8000 8500 (r200) | 0x1002 | 0x514c (8500LE) | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 1.4 |- | 9000 9100 9250 (r200) | 0x1002 | 0x5964 (9000) 0x514d (9100) | 0x0001 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Maybe|VGA15 but not s-video}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 1.4 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | 9600 9800 (r300) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 2.1 |- | x300 x600 (r300) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 2.1 |- | x700, x800 ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_R600 r420]) | 0x | 0x554d (R430 x800xl) | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|new driver}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 2.1 - x800 XL PCIE (problem with mouse-pointer, some part of the pointer is not transparent) |- | x1300 x1550 x1600 x1800 x1900 x1950 ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_R520 r520]) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|new driver}} | <!--3D-->{{no}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 2.1 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | HD2400 HD2600 HD2900 ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_R600 r600]) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|some features with new driver}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> openGL 3.3 open CL 1.2 TeraScale architecture |- | HD3400 HD3600 HD3800 (r600) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|some features with new driver}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->pci-e 2.0, openGL 3.3 |- | HD4300 HD4500 HD4600 HD4700 HD4800 ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_R600 r700]) | 0x1002 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|but some later cards need 3D engine for faster and more flexible 2D now}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 3.3 - DDR3 - GDDR5 was one of AMD's aces for the 4800 series - 4670 liked - |- | HD6900 cayman series | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|some features with new driver}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> openGL 3.3 open CL not mature (2014) - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | HD5400 Series HD5430 HD5450 HD5470 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{No|needs 3D engine for accelerated 2D now}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2010 openGL 3.3 openCL - GDDR3 - |- | HD5500 Series HD5550 HD5570 HD5600 Series HD5650 HD5670 HD5700 Series HD5750 HD5770 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{No|needs 3D engine for accelerated 2D now}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 3.3 openCL - GDDR5 |- | HD 5800 Series HD5850 HD5870 HD5900 Series HD5950 HD5970 - HD6xxx not NI chipset ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evergreen_(GPU_family) r800 evergreen]) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{No|needs 3D engine for accelerated 2D now}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2009 openGL 3.3 openCL - DDR5 pci-e 2.1 best avoided for all pci-e 1.0 mobos - Ati TeraScale2 architecture - |- | HD6450 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Islands_(GPU_family) Northern Islands chipset] | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{No|needs 3D engine for accelerated 2D now}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> - DDR3 - |- | HD6600 Series HD6650 HD6570 HD6600 Series HD6650 HD6670 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{No|needs 3D engine for accelerated 2D now}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2011 - DDR5 - Radeon HD 8470 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 8350 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 7510 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6550D 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6530D 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6410D 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6370D 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6320 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6310 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6290 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6250 11 TeraScale 2 |- | HD6800 Series HD6850 HD6870 HD6700 Series HD6790 to HD6990 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{No|needs 3D engine for accelerated 2D now}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2011 - DDR5 - AMD TeraScale3 - |- | <!--Description-->HD7450-HD7670 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2012 OpenGL but not Vulkan Radeon HD 7660D 11 TeraScale 3 Radeon HD 7560D 11 TeraScale 3 Radeon HD 7540D 11 TeraScale 3 Radeon HD 7480D 11 TeraScale 3 Radeon HD 6930 11 TeraScale 3 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->HD7750 HD 7770 / R7 250X HD7850 HD7870 / R9 270X HD 7950 / R9 280 HD 7970 / R9 280X [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Islands_(GPU_family) Southern Islands] *AMD Radeon R7 250XE Cape Verde XT *AMD Radeon R7 M465X Cape Verde *AMD Radeon R9 255 Cape Verde PRX *AMD Radeon HD 7750 Cape Verde PRO *AMD Radeon R7 250E Cape Verde PRO *AMD Radeon HD 8740 Cape Verde PRO *AMD Radeon HD 7730 Cape Verde LE | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2012 pci-e 3.0 1st Gen GCN architecture - |- | <!--Description-->R5 430, FirePro W2100, | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2015 50W+ openGL openCL 1/3 speed of gtx750ti 1st gen gcn1 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->HD7790 [ Sea Islands ] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2013 openGL 4.1 open CL - GCN2.0 Vulkan 1.0 introduced a Shader Engine (SE) comprising one geometry processor, up to 44 CUs (Hawaii chip), rasterizers, ROPs, and L1 cache and Graphics Command Processor for faster audio/video - suits Vulkan 1.1 |- | <!--Description-->r5 240 240x (slow) R7 250 250x (faster) HD 7790 / R7 260 260X / R7 360 to R5 350 (fast) and last one R5 430 OEM Plus (slow again) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2013 50W+ GCN 1st gen - openGL 4.x openCL 1.x Vulkan 1.0 |- | <!--Description-->R9 290 / R9 390 R9 290X / R9 390X | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2014 GCN 1.1 2nd Gen architecture - openGL 4.x openCL 1.x Vulkan 1.1 - |- | <!--Description-->R9 Fury Nano | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2015 GCN 1.2 3rd Gen - openGL openCL vulkan |- | <!--Description-->r-200 series r8 275 285 295 375 [Volcanic Islands] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2015 GCN1.2 - openGL 4.x openCL 1.x Vulkan 1.2 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2015 [https://gpuopen.com/download/AMD_GCN3_Instruction_Set_Architecture_rev1.1.pdf GCN3] |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->Radeon™ RX 5700/5600/5500 Series | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2022 GCN 4 - OpenGL 4, Vulkan 1.3 - |- | <!--Description-->Radeon™ RX 400/500 Series like rx vega 580 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Radeon™ Pro WX 9100, x200 Series and Radeon™ Pro W5700/W5500 Series | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->Radeon™ RX 7900/7600 Series | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Radeon™ RX 6900/6800/6700/6600/6500 Series | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |} ==== amd radeon mobile integrated ==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="5%" | Description ! width="5%" | Vendor ID ! width="5%" | Product ID ! width="2%" | Rev ! width="5%" | 2D ! width="5%" | 3D ! width="5%" | Analog Output ! width="5%" | Digital Output ! width="5%" | Laptop LCD ! width=40%" | Comments |- | <!--Description-->ATI RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M] | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1002 | <!--Product ID-->0x5a62 0x5955 0x5974 (200m) | <!--Revision-->0x00 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon 7500 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1002 | <!--Product ID-->0x4c57 (7500) | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon 9000 | 0x1002 | 0x4966 (9000) | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon 9500 9550 (rv360) 9600 (rv350) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon 9800 (rv420) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon X300 (RV370) X600 (RV380) | 0x1002 | 0x (RV370) 0x5657 (RV380) | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon X700 (RV410) X800 (RV423) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon X1200 (RS69M0) | 0x1002 | 0x791f | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->X1200 IGP (RS690) |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon X1300 X1350 X1400(rv515) X1600 (rv530) X1650 (RV535) X1800 (rv520) x1900 (rv570) | 0x1002 | 0x71c7 (X1650) | 0x009e | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon 2100 | 0x1002 | 0x796e (2100) | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No|}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon HD 2400 (rv610) HD2600 (rv630) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon HD 3100 HD3200 HD3450 3470 (RS780MC RV620) 3670 (M86-XT RV635) HD3870 (M88-LXT RV670) | 0x1002 | 0x9610 and 0x9612 (HD3200) 0x9614 (HD3300) | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon HD 4200 4250 (RV620) | 0x1002 | 0x (HD4200) 0x9715 (HD4250) | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon HD 4330 4530 4550 (M92 RV710) 4650 (M96-XT RV730) 4670 RV730XT 4830 (M97 RV740) 4850 (M98 RV770) | 0x1002 | 0x (HD4350) 0x9442 (RV770) 0x9490 (HD4670) | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon HD 530v (M92 RV710) HD 550v (M96 RV730) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->no support yet |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon HD 5430 HD5650 (cedar Park LP) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->no support yet |- | <!--Description-->Radeon HD 6250 6290 6310 6320 6350M (Redwood Capilano PRO) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->no support yet |- | <!--Description-->AMD 7640G, 8450G, 8550G, 8650G Northern Islands | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2013 Last real support for old graphics standard before Vulkan takeover |- | <!--Description-->R5 M230 M240 M255 - R7 M260 M265 (Kaveri Crystal series with Mantle and HSA) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->2015 Maybe better with Vulkan |- | <!--Description-->R5E R7E | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->2016 bristol ridge GCN 3.0 IGP (Carrizo Mobile) |- | <!--Description-->AMD Vega 3, 6, 8, 11 iGP | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2018 raven ridge GCN 5th Gen |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->5500m 5600m 5800m | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->RDNA1 NaviX1 Zen 2 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->rx680m | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->RDNA2 NaviX2 Zen 3 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->phoenix apu 1103 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2022 RDNA3 NaviX3 zen 4 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ==== AMDGPU Vulkan desktop ==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="5%" | Description ! width="5%" | Vendor ID ! width="5%" | Product ID ! width="2%" | Rev ! width="5%" | 2D ! width="5%" | 3D ! width="5%" | Analog Output ! width="5%" | Digital Output ! width="5%" | Laptop LCD ! width=40%" | Comments |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->Kaveri 290 290X, 260 260X | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2015 AMDGPU Vulkan |- | <!--Description-->R9 285 / R9 380 R9 380X Fury / Fury X | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->opengl 4 opencl 1 3rd Gen GCN architecture |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->RX470 RX460 RX480 RX580 polaris10 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2016 opengl 4 opencl 2 4th Gen GCN architecture vulkan 1.3 |- | <!--Description-->RX460 RX560D polaris11 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2016 opengl 4 opencl 2 4th Gen GCN architecture vulkan 1.3 |- | <!--Description-->RX580 polaris20 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2016 opengl 4 opencl 2 4th Gen GCN architecture vulkan 1.3 |- | 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Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} fyi if a notebooks with two graphic cards, the integrated Intel card (id 0x7d) for low power usage and a discrete Radeon card (id 0x56) which should be used for GPU-intensive applications. By default the Intel card is always used [https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ATI Gallium Radeon HD] is not ported yet but is [https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.9-AMDGPU-Stats really big] and complex so another solution may have to be [https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/the-graphics-acceleration-can-of-worms/10515/5 found] like [https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/vulkan-lavapipe-software-rendering-is-working-on-haiku/11363/10 vulkan] where support starts from very recent ISA GCN islands HD7000s cards only *Vulkan *Gallium Vulkan software renderer allows to prepares the infrastructure for hardware rendering. Primary difference between software and hardware renderer is output to regular RAM vs GPU RAM, the rest is almost the same. It is possible to render to GPU RAM offscreen. bare bones basics data flow application,>>> api/opengl/vulkan>>>>, jit compiler, >>>>memory manger, >>>>gpu hardware so you need to have a compiler that takes your api call/program/shaders/drawing commands and turns them into a program the gpu can render. the vulkan to amd gpu compiler for shaders and textures is nearly os agnostic iirc as long as you have solid posix compliance Unlike OpenGL, Vulkan does not depend on windowing system and it have driver add-on system with standardized API (Mesa also have OpenGL driver add-ons, but it have non-standard Mesa-specific API). OpenGL may need more work for windowing system related code at this point but developing Vulkan on real hardware is more strategic than developing OpenGL, since now Zink 3 running on Vulkan compensates for the lack of OpenGL support by giving performance similar to native accelerated OpenGL RadeonGfx use client-server model with client-server thread pairs. For each client thread that calls 3D acceleration API, server side thread is created. If client thread terminates, server side thread also exit. ==Rough gfx comparison== <pre> Group 1 GeForce RTX 5090 5070 5060 5050 GeForce RTX 4090 4070 4060 4050 Group 2 Radeon 6700 XT GeForce RTX 2080 Super Radeon RX 6700 GeForce RTX 2070 Super Radeon 5700 XT GeForce RTX 2070 Radeon RX 7600 Quadro RTX 5000 Radeon PRO W6600 GeForce RTX 2060 12GB Radeon PRO W7500 Quadro GP100 Radeon RX 6800S GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU GeForce GTX 1080 GeForce RTX 3060 8GB Quadro RTX 4000 Radeon Pro W5700 Radeon RX 6600 GeForce RTX 2080 (Mobile) GeForce RTX 2060 Super Radeon RX 7700S Radeon RX 6700S Radeon RX 6600S Quadro RTX 5000 (Mobile) GeForce GTX 1070 Ti GeForce RTX 4050 Laptop GPU Radeon Pro Vega 64X Radeon RX 5700 Radeon RX Vega 64 GeForce RTX 2060 GeForce RTX 2070 Super with Max-Q Design Group 3 Radeon RX 6600M GeForce GTX 1070 Radeon RX 6650M GeForce RTX 3060 Laptop GPU Radeon RX Vega 56 Radeon RX 6700M GeForce RTX 2080 with Max-Q Design Radeon RX 6800M GeForce GTX 980 Ti Radeon R9 Fury GeForce GTX 980 Quadro M5500 Radeon R9 390X Radeon RX 580 Radeon RX 5500 Radeon RX 6550M GeForce GTX 1660 Ti with Max-Q Design GeForce GTX 780 Ti GeForce GTX 970 Radeon R9 290X Radeon RX 480 Radeon RX 5600M Quadro RTX 3000 with Max-Q Design Radeon R9 290X / 390X Ryzen 5 4600HS with Radeon Graphics Radeon R9 290 Radeon Pro 5500 XT Radeon R9 M490 * GeForce GTX 780 Radeon RX 6500M Quadro M5500 GeForce GTX 1060 with Max-Q Design Radeon RX 6500 Radeon RX 5300 Intel Arc A770M GeForce GTX 1650 Ti Radeon Pro 580X Radeon RX 6400 GeForce RTX 2050 Ryzen 9 4900HS with Radeon Graphics Radeon Ryzen 9 6900HS GeForce GTX 980M Quadro M5000M Radeon RX 6300 GeForce GTX 1650 Ti with Max-Q Design Radeon Pro 570 Ryzen 9 6900HS with Radeon Graphics GeForce GTX 1050 Ti Quadro M4000M Radeon R9 280X 380X GeForce GTX 1650 with Max-Q Design GeForce MX570 Radeon R9 280X Radeon R9 380 Radeon 780M GeForce GTX 960 GeForce GTX 970M Quadro M4000M * GeForce GTX 680 Group 4 Radeon RX 6500M Quadro M5500 Radeon Pro WX 7100 GeForce GTX 1060 with Max-Q Design GeForce GTX 1650 Intel Arc A730M Radeon HD 7970 Radeon R9 M395X Radeon R9 M485X Radeon R9 M480 * Radeon R9 M295X Radeon R9 M390X * FirePro W7170M * Radeon R9 M395 Radeon R7 370 Radeon RX 5500M GeForce GTX 590 GeForce GTX 880M GeForce GTX 950 Radeon R9 270X GeForce GTX 660 Ti GeForce GTX 760 GeForce GTX 780M Quadro K5100M GeForce GTX 680MX Radeon HD 7870 GeForce GTX 965M Quadro M3000M * GeForce GTX 870M Radeon R9 M290X Radeon HD 8970M Radeon Ryzen 7 7735U (680M), Radeon Ryzen 7 7735HS (680M 12C) GeForce GTX 580 Radeon HD 6970 GeForce GTX 1050 GeForce GTX 680M GeForce GTX 775M GeForce GTX 1630 FirePro M6100 Radeon HD 7970M Radeon R9 M390 * GeForce GTX 750 Ti Group 5 GeForce GTX 570 GeForce GTX 480 GeForce GTX 960M Quadro M2000M * Quadro K5000M Quadro K4100M GeForce GTX 770M GeForce GTX 860M GeForce GTX 675MX GeForce GTX 950M GeForce GTX 850M Quadro M1000M Radeon R9 M280X Radeon HD 7950M * GeForce GTX 560 Ti Radeon HD 6870 GeForce GTX 470 GeForce GT 1030 GeForce MX330 Ryzen 5 PRO 5650GE with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 7 5800HS FirePro 3D V8800 GeForce MX250 Group 6 Radeon Pro WX 3200 Ryzen 7 PRO 5750G with Radeon Graphics Radeon Ryzen 5 5600H Ryzen 5 Pro 4650G with Radeon Graphics Radeon Ryzen 7 5800U Ryzen 7 7730U with Radeon Graphics Radeon Ryzen 7 5825U Radeon Pro WX 4150 Radeon Ryzen 5 PRO 4655G Ryzen 5 4600G with Radeon Graphics Radeon Ryzen 5 PRO 4655GE GeForce GTX 485M FirePro W6150M Ryzen 7 5800U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 5 7530U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 7 4800U with Radeon Graphics Radeon R9 M470 Ryzen 3 PRO 5350G with Radeon Graphics Radeon RX Vega Ryzen 3 5300U Ryzen 7 5825U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 5 PRO 4400G with Radeon Graphics Radeon Ryzen 7 PRO 4750GE Radeon Ryzen 7 4800U FirePro V7900 Radeon HD 5970 Radeon Ryzen 7 7700X 8-Core Radeon Ryzen 5 PRO 5650G Radeon Ryzen 5 4400G Radeon Ryzen 5 PRO 5650GE Radeon RX 550X FirePro V8800 Radeon RX Vega Ryzen 5 5500U GeForce MX150 Quadro K3100M Ryzen 7 PRO 5850U with Radeon Graphics Radeon HD 6970M Radeon R7 250X Intel HD 5600 Ryzen 3 4300GE with Radeon Graphics GeForce GTX 460 Ryzen 7 5700U with Radeon Graphics Radeon Ryzen 5 7530U Quadro K620 Ryzen 3 PRO 5350GE with Radeon Graphics Intel Iris Pro P580 Intel UHD Graphics P630 Ryzen 5 4600H with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 5 PRO 7530U with Radeon Graphics Radeon HD 5870 Radeon HD 6870 Ryzen 7 4700G with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 5 5600U with Radeon Graphics Radeon HD 7770 Ryzen 3 Pro 4350G with Radeon Graphics Radeon Ryzen 5 5625U GeForce GTX 745 Radeon Ryzen 7 4850U Mobile Radeon Ryzen 3 PRO 7330U Quadro M600M Radeon Ryzen 5 5500U Ryzen 5 5560U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 7 4800H with Radeon Graphics Group 7 GeForce 945M Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE with Radeon Graphics FirePro M5100 Radeon Ryzen 5 5600U Radeon Ryzen 5 PRO 4500U GeForce GTX 580M Ryzen 7 PRO 5875U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 3 5300GE with Radeon Graphics Radeon R9 M385 Quadro 5000MGK106S Radeon Ryzen 7 4700U Ryzen 5 PRO 5650U with Radeon Graphics Radeon Ryzen 7 PRO 4750U Ryzen 7 4700U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 7 PRO 4750U with Radeon Graphics FirePro V7800 Radeon R9 350 Ryzen 3 4300G with Radeon Graphics Radeon Vega 11 Ryzen 5 PRO 3350G Radeon Ryzen 5 5560U GeForce GTX 460 SE Radeon Pro W5500M Radeon Vega 11 Ryzen 5 PRO 3400G Ryzen 5 5500U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 5 PRO 4500U with Radeon Graphics GeForce GT 645 GeForce GTX 765M Radeon R9 M385X Ryzen 5 5625U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 3 PRO 7330U with Radeon Graphics Radeon HD 5850 Radeon Vega 11 Ryzen 5 PRO 2400G Intel Iris Pro 580 Radeon HD 6850 Intel Iris Xe MAX Radeon Ryzen 7 PRO 5875U Radeon Ryzen 5 7600 6-Core GeForce GTX 470M Ryzen 3 5300G with Radeon Graphics GeForce GTX 670MX Radeon RX 640 Qualcomm Adreno Gen 3 Radeon R7 450 GeForce GTX 675M Radeon Pro WX 4130 Intel Iris Xe MAX 100 Quadro 5000 Radeon RX 570X Radeon HD 7700-serie Ryzen 5 4600U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE with Radeon Graphics Radeon Vega 8 Group 8 GeForce MX230 GeForce GTX 765M Quadro K4000M Iris Pro Graphics P580 * Iris Pro Graphics 580 * GeForce GTX 645 Quadro M520 GeForce GTX 570M GeForce MX130 Radeon RX 540 Radeon Ryzen 5 PRO 5675U Intel UHD Graphics 770 Radeon RX Vega 11 Ryzen 7 3750H Radeon Vega 11 Ryzen 5 PRO 3400GE Radeon HD 5850 GeForce GTX 675M GeForce GTX 580M Radeon HD 6990M Radeon R9 M385X * Radeon R9 M470X * Radeon R9 M470 * Radeon R9 M385 * Radeon R9 M380 * Radeon R9 M370X Radeon R9 M275 Radeon HD 7770 GeForce GTX 485M GeForce GTX 460 768MB Radeon HD 6790 GeForce GTX 285M SLI Quadro K3100M FirePro W5170M * GeForce GTX 670MX Quadro 5010M GeForce GTX 760M GeForce GTX 670M Group 9 GeForce 940MX * Maxwell GPU (940M, GDDR5) FirePro M8900 Radeon HD 6970M Radeon R9 M270 Radeon HD 8870M Radeon HD 7870M Quadro K3000M GeForce GTX 570M FirePro M6000 FirePro M5100 Quadro K2100M Radeon HD 5770 GeForce GTX 550 Ti GeForce GTX 280M SLI Radeon HD 6950M Radeon R7 250 GeForce GT 755M GeForce GTX 660M GeForce 845M Radeon HD 8850M Radeon R9 M365X Radeon R9 M265X Ryzen 5 PRO 4400GE with Radeon Graphics FirePro W5130M * Radeon Vega 8 Ryzen 5 3500U Radeon HD 7850M Radeon HD 8790M FirePro W4170M FirePro W4190M FirePro W4100 Radeon Vega 6 Ryzen 3 3300U Quadro 4000M GeForce GTX 470M GeForce GTX 480M GeForce GT 750M Iris Pro Graphics 6200 Quadro K1100M GeForce 940M Radeon R9 M375 GeForce 930MX * Radeon R7 M380 * Radeon R7 M370 Quadro M600M * GeForce GT 650M Quadro K620M GeForce 840M Radeon R7 M275DX GeForce GT 745M Radeon HD 7770M GeForce GTX 560M Radeon R7 Iris Pro Graphics 5200 GeForce GT 740M GeForce 930M Radeon HD 4850 Group 10 Iris Graphics 550 * GeForce 830M Iris Graphics 540 Quadro M500M * Quadro K2000M GeForce GTS 450 GeForce GTX 260M SLI GeForce GT 735M Mobility Radeon HD 5870 GeForce 825M Quadro 5000M FirePro M4000 FirePro M7820 Radeon HD 6870M GeForce 9800M GTX SLI Radeon HD 8830M * Radeon HD 8770M Radeon R7 M260X GeForce GTX 460M GeForce 920MX * GeForce GT 730M Radeon HD 7750M GeForce GT 645M * FirePro M4100 Radeon HD 8750M Radeon R6 A10-9600P 4C+6G Quadro 3000M Radeon R7 M270 Radeon R7 M265 Quadro FX 3800M GeForce GTX 285M Mobility Radeon HD 4870 GeForce GT 640M Radeon R7 (Kaveri) Radeon R8 M365DX Radeon R7 M460 * Radeon HD 7730M Radeon R7 M360 GeForce GTX 280M Radeon HD 8690M Quadro FX 3700M Radeon R7 M340 GeForce 920M Radeon R6 M340DX HD Graphics 530 HD Graphics P530 Tegra X1 Maxwell GPU Radeon R7 M260 Radeon R6 Group 11 Mobility Radeon HD 4860 FirePro M7740 Mobility Radeon HD 4850 GeForce GTX 260M GeForce 9800M GTX Quadro FX 2800M Radeon HD 8670D Radeon HD 7690M XT FirePro M5950 GeForce GT 640M LE Radeon R6 (Kaveri) Radeon HD 8650M * Radeon HD 8730M Radeon HD 6770M GeForce GT 635M GeForce GT 555M Radeon R7 A10 PRO-7800B Radeon HD 5670 Mobility Radeon HD 5850 Radeon HD 6850M Quadro 2000M GeForce 9800M GT GeForce 8800M GTX Quadro FX 3600M GeForce GT 445M GeForce GTS 360M Group 12 GeForce GT 240 Radeon R7 PRO A10-9700 Radeon HD 7690M HD Graphics 5600 Radeon HD 8570D Radeon HD 8670M Radeon R6 M255DX Radeon HD 7660D Radeon HD 6750M Quadro K1000M 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They are what handles the gory details of talking to the GPU itself (writing to proper registers, handling its memory directly, configuring outputs, and so on). Unfortunately most of what they're exposing can be only consumed by a single user of that GPU, which is why we need... DRM and DRI (Direct Rendering Manager/Infrastructure) controls access to the GPUs, provides interfaces for talking to the GPU concurrently by multiple apps at once (without them breaking each other) and lets the system perform the most basic tasks like setting proper resolution and such if no userspace apps understand how to talk to the GPU exposed. DRI and DRM expose the GPU interfaces mostly as-is, not in a "vendor-neutral" portable way - if you don't have an application developed specifically for a GPU you have, it won't work. "let's create a vendor-neutral interface for graphics so that apps can ignore the GPU-specific bits and get right to the drawing!" - which is what OpenGL is. User-space drivers implement the OpenGL specification and expose it as an OpenGL library to apps (like games, browsers, etc) instead of the GPU. Mesa is the most popular collection of open-source user-space drivers and contains a few user-space drivers for different GPU families: '''radeonsi''' for most modern AMD GPUs (and '''r600g''', r300g and others for older ones), '''i915/i965''' for old/new Intel GPUs and '''nouveau''' for Nvidia GPUs. There's also Gallium, which is a bunch of utilities and common code shared among these drivers - if certain things can be done once and work everywhere, they'll land in Gallium and benefit all the drivers. Most Mesa drivers use Gallium (radeonsi, nouveau, software renderers), some don't (intel after gma950). Displaying 2D windows supports device-specific 2D drivers as well, but nowadays most of these are no longer needed as the modesetting can handle most hardware on its own. As the DRM/DRI got some additional interfaces for what used to be hardware-specific (setting resolutions, refresh rates, etc) and software requiring accelerated 2D drawing was optimized OpenGL-based renderers, dedicated 2D acceleration is slowly going away. Since around 2012, the 3D part of the graphics card deals with 2D operations. Modern GPUs can also decode video!? There's VDPAU (NVIDIA & AMD GPUs) and VA-API (AMD & Intel GPUs) that can also talk to the GPU exposed via DRM/DRI and issue proper commands to decode/encode a given video stream. Those drivers are GPU-specific too. So let's say you have some example GPUs, here's how example stacks could look like: * AMD Radeon HD8750: amdgpu -> DRM/DRI -> Mesa (radeonsi) * AMD Radeon HD4850: radeon kernel driver -> DRM/DRI -> Mesa (r600g) -> games/apps/etc. * NVIDIA GeForce 460: nouveau kernel driver -> DRM/DRI -> Mesa (nouveau) -> games/apps. * Intel GMA950: i915 kernel driver -> DRM/DRI -> Mesa (i945) -> games/apps. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="15%" | Description ! width="15%" | Analog Output ! width="15%" | Digital Output ! width="15%" | Laptop LCD ! width=30%" | Comments |- | <!--Description-->Fudomi GC888A | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->1080p 100in throw projector |- | <!--Description-->Vamvo VF320 (720P) | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->720p 90in |- | <!--Description-->Happrun H1 | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->1080p 90in |- | <!--Description-->Umbolite Magcubic HIPPUS HY320 Mini | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->720p 100in |- | <!--Description-->Zentality A10 Plus | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->720p 110in |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->nexigo nova mini | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->nebula mars 3 | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->epson lifestudio flex plus portable projector | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->dangbei freedo | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->benq gv50 | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} Unless your computer uses a Firewire chipset manufactured by Texas Instruments, FireWire interfaces are likely to act buggy. AROS is unlikely to ever support FireWire. Bluetooth is similarly unlikely to be ever supported due to huge cost to be certified. No, x86 PCMCIA card.resource at the moment. Writing card.resource would be a similar amount of work to writing a typical driver. However, it might be complicated by having to support a variety of PCMCIA-controller chipsets like TI PCI1225, PCI1410, PCI1420, 1450, PCIxx12 and O2, etc. m68k card.resource does not really have many higher level functions, most functions are really simple or poke Gayle registers directly. only exception is CopyTuple(). Amiga card.resource has one significant flaw: it's single-unit. would need card.resource and pccard.library. There was talk in the past of designing a new API for PCMCIA because card.resource only supports one slot, but since most modern laptops only have one slot anyway, I think it might be worthwhile to implement card.resource as-is (at least as a first step). pccard.library would be trivial to port. So, a new API is needed. g4yvwtwlc5t9xdi1esfx8akfl2rqlt9 4654296 4654295 2026-07-13T11:27:28Z Jeff1138 301139 4654296 wikitext text/x-wiki Google translation into [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=de&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki%2FAros%2FPlatforms%2Fx86_support German], [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=fr&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki%2FAros%2FPlatforms%2Fx86_support French], [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=nl&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki%2FAros%2FPlatforms%2Fx86_support Dutch], [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=it&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki%2FAros%2FPlatforms%2Fx86_support Italian], [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=es&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki%2FAros%2FPlatforms%2Fx86_support Spanish], [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=hi&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki%2FAros%2FPlatforms%2Fx86_support Hindi], [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=zh-CN&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki%2FAros%2FPlatforms%2Fx86_support Chinese Simplified], [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=pl&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki%2FAros%2FPlatforms%2Fx86_support Polish], [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=ru&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki%2FAros%2FPlatforms%2Fx86_support Russian], {{ArosNav}} [[#Audio Chipsets]] [[#Graphic GFX Chipsets]] [[#Rough gfx comparison]] [[#]] ==x86 Native Environment== AROS should run on almost any i386 PC hardware so long as the CPU is newer than an i486, and has a "Floating Point Unit (FPU)". Ideally around 700Mhz and above with at least 256MB of memory is recommended for desktops and around 1GHz and at least 256MB for laptops/notebooks/netbooks. For web browsing, etc above 1GB is usually needed and offers the option to run web browsers, media players and other hard disk heavy usage from RAM: disk. Motherboards supported * Most Intel mobos are supported but additional pci / pci-e cards may be needed for networking, audio, etc * AMD based socket ryzen based systems work but additional pci / pci-e cards may be needed Supported graphics cards (gfx) * Nvidia 2D and 3D 2005-2015 64bit AROS Nouveau covers '''2D''' 8xxxgs and higher to GTX 9xx and '''3D''' from 8xxxGS to GTX9xx 32bit AROS supports '''2D''' from TNT to fermi gtx5xx and '''3D''' acceleration fx5xxx to gtx4xx * Intel GMA 2D and 3D 2006-2009 '''2D''' for many old netbooks and motherboards. '''3D''' for many early netbooks and motherboards * AMD/ATI 2D only and '''no 3D'''. 1999-2004 Desktop ie external monitor support only (no laptop internal support) for very early Radeon 7000 through to x600 * VESA 2D fallback modes for all graphic cards (GPUs) and with [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKCHZFYj9Kk screen dragging]. It's worth noting however that support isn't guaranteed. Nor will potential power of a card reflect its performance under AROS. Sound wise there are * HDaudio support for onboard intel and AMD netbooks, ultrabooks, notebooks and motherboards (2005 to 2020) * some AC97 codec support for very old motherboards and laptops (ie pre 2004) * PCI and some PCI-E C-Media CMI8738 for desktop plugin cards * PCI Creative Soundblaster EMU10K1 cards [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2512 SBLive] * PCI semi professional some early VIA Envy24 desktop sound cards * PCI Sound Blaster 128 aka SB16 Supported [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aros/Platforms/x86_Network_support network] which could be desktop, laptop, etc * PCI-E Realtek rtl8169 1GbE which also includes the rtl8111 and rtl8110 (2011 to 2025) * PCI Realtek rtl8139 and includes rtl8101 and rtl8100 (2005 to 2009) * PCI intel e1000 (2006 to 2009) * PCI intel pro100 (2002 to 2005) * Broadcom 44xx 10/100 integrated in laptops around 2005 * VIA 10/100 (1999 to 2002) * 3com Etherlink 10/100 * Realtek rtl8029 10mbit Wireless wifi * atheros 5000 wireless *realtek 8187 usb It is very hard to recommend a completely supported motherboard because as soon as newer motherboards arrive so their features change subtly, often introducing non supported parts like ethernet and audio. It is a moving target. * mini-itx motherboard will only get you 1 pci or pci-e slot * micro mATX or uATX will have more, typically 2 pci-e or pci slots which helps if any onboard features are not supported. * full atx will have more slots available '''N.B''' It is frustrating when a piece of hardware is not supported. Hardware documentation can run to over 100 pages and a lot of hardware do not have any public documentation anyway. Chips from different manufacturers for sound, graphics, SATA, etc. vary just as much, unless they follow a standard such as [https://github.com/acidanthera/AppleALC/wiki/Supported-codecs HDAudio codecs], AHCI etc. Coding drivers is a far cry from Hello World programs or even a port of existing software. If you do actually want to try then get a hold of documentation on the relevant hardware and start there. Alternatively you could try to find some '''BSD''', MIT or MPL licence drivers as a point of reference. Please , do not think you can just adapt strings in a driver for different strings, it does not work that way. You will '''need''' to start from scratch for each new bit of hardware. Device driver programming require '''embedded''' skills, like manipulation of bits within registers, good debugging skills, dealing with interrupts, lots of patience, etc. The following specific chipsets and drivers are also available - use Tools/PCITool to confirm Vendor and Product IDs - Please let us know any mistakes or any information to be added, to this General Chat list on [https://arosworld.org/ AROS World] : Brief Timeline : 2000-12-06 HIDD first mouse.hidd completed ([http://msaros.blogspot.com/ Michal Schulz]) : 2001-03-31 BOOT first boot from floppy disk with IDE device : 2001-10-30 BOOT first cd bootable version : 2002-01-27 HIDD first pci.hidd added (Michal Schulz) : 2002-04-13 BOOT software HDToolBox added () : 2003-04-03 HIDD vesa2.hidd graphic modes added () : 2004-03-08 HIDD new pci and ata (pata) devices worked on (Michal Schulz) : 2004-03-17 HIDD nVidia 2D driver appears (Michal Schulz) : 2005-01-05 AHI AHI v6 audio system ported (Martin Blom) : 2005-01-06 AHI SBLive SoundBlaster Live driver ported (Georg Steger) : 2005-02-04 AHI AC97 playback only driver added (Michal Schulz) : 2005-06-27 NIC amiTCP stack ported with 3com, NE2000, prism2 drivers (Neil Cafferkey) : 2005-08-25 NIC nForce2 support added (Michal Schulz) : 2005-12-24 NIC Intel Pro100 network driver added (Neil Cafferkey) : 2006-03-25 HIDD ATI radeon 2D driver added (Michal Schulz) : 2007-03-06 HIDD vesa 1.0 video driver added (Pavel Fedin) : 2007-03-08 HIDD dospackets and FAT filesystem (Rob Norris) : 2007-03-21 HIDD usb initial commit (Michal Schulz) : 2007-10-01 BOOT Installer added (Neil Cafferkey) : 2007-11-29 PORT 64bit x86 added (Michal Schulz) : 2008-04-12 BOOT GRUB2 added (Alain Greppin and Nick Andrews) : 2008-08-26 NIC RTL8139 added ([http://kalamatee.blogspot.com/ Nick Andrews]) : 2008-10-22 PORT to SAM440ep (ppc) (Michal Schulz) : 2009-02-25 PORT to efika (ppc) (Michal Schulz) : 2009-05-18 HIDD poseidon usb2.0 stack ported to AROS (Chris Hodges) : 2009-11-18 NIC RTL8169 network driver arrived (Nick Andrews and [http://pagesperso-orange.fr/franck.charlet/oldnews.html Franck Charlet]) : 2009-12-23 AHI HDAudio based Atom CPU and netbook audio driver arrived (Davy Wentzler) : 2010-03-09 BOOT USB pendrive stick booting available (Neil Cafferkey) : 2010-05-26 HIDD Intel GMA900 2D graphics card support (Michal Schulz) : 2010-09-03 NIC Wireless PCI based NIC arrived (Neil Cafferkey) : 2011-04-30 HIDD Nvidia 2D and 3D nouveau graphics card support for Aros 32bit (Deadwood) : 2011-08-30 HIDD Radeon 2D enhanced AMD driver arrives (Bearsoft) : 2011-09-17 NIC Wireless USB realtek arrives (Neil Cafferkey) : 2011-12-09 HIDD Intel 945G 3D Gallium graphics support (Sami) : 2013-02-25 AHI AC97 VIA 686 audio support (Davy Wentzler and Neil Cafferkey) : 2013-03-31 PORT early Raspberry PI native support (Nik Andrews) : 2014-01-16 AHI Envy24 audio chipset support (Davy Wentzler and Neil Cafferkey) : 2017-02-17 PORT Symmetric MultiProcessing smp added for x86 64bit (Michal Schulz) : 2018-10-20 PORT Big Endian ARM : 2021-11-26 NIC Broadcom 44xx ethernet (Neil Cafferkey) : 2023-01-12 NIC Nvidia MCP61 ethernet (Neil Cafferkey) : 2025-11-23 HIDD xHCI USB3 and isoc (Nik Andrews) : 2026-07-25 HIDD Nouveau nvidia for Aros 64bit (Deadwood) [[#top|...to the top]] ===Audio Chipsets=== '''If sound beeps in AHI prefs after Music set then some support is there. Select more than one channel for multiple audio streams, set frequency up to 44 kHz or higher and set the volume if not already set. Ensure you set the music unit 0 to 3 which allows the extra features of the audio card like microphone, line-out, etc).''' ====1996-2000 sb128.audio aka SB16 PCI==== *2021 5.27 as per CREATIVE's website, the model number is the first two digits on the front and first two digits on the back. my card says CT4810 and 161TK110B 995; this translates to CT4816 as the model. The original AudioPCI 3000 card with the ES1370 had a master clock crystal for 44.1 kHz (22.5792 MHz), used an AKM codec (AK4531, non-AC97) and had 4 channel output; Creative later modified the design with a crystal for 48 kHz (24.576 MHz) and Sigmatel AC97 codec (a CT4700 SB128 with a CT5507 chip, AK4531, 22.5792 MHz crystal and TDA7360 speaker power amp). The issue with these cards involved never quite eliminate the effects of resampling on the 64V, it also shows signs of undersized coupling caps. These Ensoniq cards automatically engaged headphone amplifier (with a 4565 opamp). Porting involved [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/b60abd12967144a844980c422ea9e99c056eabca 40897], [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/b7d6511fca6430a63fbaaa390b4f51bf0203a460 40898 configure], [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/f51034cd22759a4ec3a2547bddb3a7169d956eaa 40900 bugs], [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/4f43fc38e3489ea45d12b7b5ba6fff50b69c5746 40901 further bugs], [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/d23c78aec75f049484b6916d27b6804ce858bb2c 40913 memory IO fixes], [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/d256860fe3035016952e88d143c6f2611997f2f3 40914 irq fix]. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Description ! width="10%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Playback ! width="10%" |Recording ! width="35%" |Comments |- | Ensoniq AudioPCI 1000 | 0x1274 | 0x5000 | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested - es1370 (u?) AK4531 (u?) |- | Ensoniq AudioPCI | 0x1274 | 0x5000 | 0x00 | {{yes}} | {{maybe}} | |- | CT4700 Sound Blaster PCI 64 (audioPCI 3000) | 0x1274 | 0x5000 | 0x7c | {{yes}} | {{maybe}} | works - opamp JRC4565(u?) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ensoniq_ES1370 es1370] (u?) |- | CT4750 Sound Blaster 64/PCI | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested - 4565-1056W (u1) stac9708t(u2) [http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=916891 ct5880-dcq] (u3) 24wc012 (u4) |- | CT4751 (SB128PCI) | 0x1274 | 0x8001 | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_Blaster#Ensoniq_AudioPCI-based_cards es1371] (u?) |- | CT4810 Creative AudioPCI64V | 0x1274 | 0x1371 | 0x06 | {{yes}} | {{maybe}} | works |- | CT4811 (SB Vibra 128) | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested |- | CT4812 (Vibra 128) | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested |- | CT4813 | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested |- | CT4815 | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested |- | CT4816 es1373 (vibra 128) | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested but this card has creative's ES1373 as the main chip(U1). it is also different from the other CT4810 (vibra128) in that it does not have a second chip in U2 position. Also there is only one jumper JP1 (2X3). |- | CT5801 HP | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested - es1373 (u3) |- | CT5803 Gateway | 0x1274 | 0x1371 | 0x08 | {{yes}} | {{maybe}} | works 4565-0005b jrc (u1) 4297a-jq ztae0c0002 (u2) es1373 (u3) |- | CT4740 | 0x1274 | 0x1371 | 0x08 | {{yes}} | {{yes}} | |- | CT5805 Compaq OEM Premier Sound Presario 7 | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested - es1373 (u3) |- | CT5806 (Sound Blaster AudioPCI 128D) | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested - 4297A-JO EP (u?) ZTAPWC9933 (u2) es1373 (u3) |- | CT5807 Dell OEM Dimension 8100 | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested - es1373 (u?) |- | CT5808 | | | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested |- | CT4730 Sound Blaster AudioPCI 64V Ectiva EV1938 | 0x1102 | 0x8938 | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested |- | CT5880 on various motherboards | 0x1274 | 0x5880 | | {{unk}} | {{unk}} | untested [http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mainboards/display/ga-6rx.html Gigabyte GA-6RX] (VIA ApolloPro 266 2001], Gigabyte GA-6VM7-4E mobo, [http://active-hardware.com/english/reviews/mainboard/ga-7vtx.htm Gigabyte GA-7VTX] (KT266 2001), Gigabyte [http://www.amdboard.com/gigabytega7vtxh.html GA-7VTXH] (KT266A 2001), [http://www.amdboard.com/gigabytega7vrxp.html Gigabyte 7VRXP] mobo (KT333 2002), MSI MS-6309, MS-6318, MS-6337 (815E Pro), MS-6339 (850Pro) and MS-6340, PCChips Motherboard M571 TXPRO, Soltek SL-65ME+, |- | VMware Virtual Workstation(TM) | 0x1274 | 0x1371 | 0x02 | {{Yes|but not Hi-Fi modes}} | {{maybe}} | works |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} <pre> Revision 0x04 = ES1371 REV_ES1373_A Revision 0x06 = ES1371 REV_ES1373_B Revision 0x07 = ES1371 REV_CT5880_A Revision 0x02 = CT5880 REV_CT5880_C Revision 0x03 = CT5880 REV_CT5880_D Revision 0x04 = CT5880 REV_CT5880_E Revision 0x09 = ES1371 REV_ES1371_B Revision 0x00 = EV1938 REV_EV1938_A Revision 0x08 = ES1371 REV_ES1373_8 </pre> ====1999-2001 via-ac97.audio==== *2021 5.10 {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Description ! width="10%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Playback ! width="10%" |Recording ! width="35%" |Comments |- | <!--Description-->694X with 686A KT133 PM133 or 693A with VT8231 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1106 | <!--Product ID-->0x3058 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes| }} redirects earphones correctly | <!--Recording-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Comments-->audio controller works but depends on the underlying invisible codec used see AC97 section |- | <!--Description-->686B KT133A with VT8231 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1106 | <!--Product ID-->0x3058 | <!--Revision-->0x50 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes|}} reroutes ear pieces right | <!--Recording-->{{Yes|}} | <!--Comments-->audio controller works but depends on the underlying codec used see AC97 section below |- | <!--Description-->686C | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1106 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->KM266 or KT266 with VT8233, KT266A with VT8233A, VT8233C | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1106 | <!--Product ID-->0x3059 | <!--Revision-->0x10 | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->KM333 KT333 with VT8235 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1106 | <!--Product ID-->0x3059 | <!--Revision-->0x30 | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->KM400 KT400 with VT8237, KT600 with VT8237R, | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1106 | <!--Product ID-->0x3059 | <!--Revision-->0x40 0x50 0x60 | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====1998-2003 emu10kx.audio - Creative Labs SoundBlaster Live! and Audigy==== *2021 6.5 {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Description ! width="10%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Playback ! width="10%" |Recording ! width="35%" |Comments |- | PCI512 CT4790 (emu10k1) | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x0 | <!--Playback--> {{unk}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | untested (1st Gen) |- | Live CT4620 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x0 | <!--Playback--> {{unk}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | untested |- | Live CT4760 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x07 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | playback works |- | Live Value CT4670 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x0 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | works plays stereo (2nd Gen) |- | Live Value DELL CT4780 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x06 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | plays/records stereo - untested 4.1mode |- | Live Value Compaq CT4830 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x0 | <!--Playback--> {{Maybe}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | not working |- | Live Value CT4831 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x00 | <!--Playback--> {{unk}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | untested |- | Live Value CT4832 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x07 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{partial|Line-In only}} | works |- | Live Value CT4832 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x08 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{maybe}} | works |- | Live Value HP CT4870 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{maybe}} | Works |- | Live Value Gateway CT4871 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | | <!--Playback--> {{unk}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | untested |- | Live! Platinum 5.1 SB0060 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x00 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{yes}} | plays audio/records, untested 5.1 (3rd Gen) |- | Live 5.1 SB0100 -SFF | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x00 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{maybe}} | works |- | Live 5.1 Player SB0220 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x0a | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{yes}} | plays audio/records stereo, untested 5.1 |- | Live 5.1 Digital SB0228 | 0x1102 | 0x0002 | 0x0a | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{yes}} | working |- | Audigy SB0090 (emu10k2) | 0x1102 | 0x0004 | | <!--Playback--> {{unk}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | untested |- | <!--Description-->Audigy SB0230 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1102 | <!--Product ID-->0x0004 | <!--Revision-->0x03 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Yes|Mic only}} | <!--Comments-->5th Dec 2012 - untested optical tos link. contains also IEEE1394/Firewire (untested) |- | Audigy 2 Platinum 6.1 SB0240 SB0250 EMU10K2.5 | 0x1102 | 0x0004 | 0x04 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{maybe}} | works |- | Audigy 2 PRO SB0280 EMU10K2.5 | 0x1102 | 0x0004 | | <!--Playback--> {{unk}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | untested |- | Audigy 2 ZS SB0350 | 0x1102 | 0x0004 | 0x04 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{yes}} | |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | Live 5.1 DELL SB0200 SB0203 emu10kx | 0x1102 | 0x0006 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | |- | Live 24bit SB0410 | 0x1102 | 0x0007 | 0x | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | Live 24bit DELL SB0413 | 0x1102 | 0x0007 | 0x | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | Audigy LS SB0310 | 0x1102 | 0x0007 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | Audigy SE 7.1 SB0570 | 0x1102 | 0x0007 | | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | Audigy 2 ZS SB0320 SB0360 (PRO) | 0x1102 | 0x0008 | | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | Audigy 2 VALUE SB0400 | 0x1102 | 0x0008 | | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | Audigy 4 VALUE SB0610 | 0x1102 | 0x0008 | | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | Audigy 4 PRO SB0380 | 0x1102 | 0x0008 | | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver |- | EMU E-MU 0404 PCI (not USB) EM8852 | 0x1102 | 0x000 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{no}} | no driver but linux support needs firmware |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} the green jack is for the main speaker pair AND headphones, so manual switching will be required If your card is wired for the "AC97" standard, then it's up to your headphone jack to switch the green speaker output in and out the headphone jack has Normally-closed contacts that will open on insertion, which breaks the signal path back to the sound card (FP_RETURN) ====2000-2010 cmi8738.audio - C-Media==== *2021 5.20 ;Read [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2512 more] and imported on [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/aff741d60160c6a9d7d39c9e004a25ea3aa13847 20th July 2011] and [http://alsa.opensrc.org/Cmipci alsa docs]. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Description ! width="10%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Playback ! width="10%" |Recording ! width="35%" |Comments |- | Audiotrak MAYA EX5 | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | cmi8738-sx 4ch | 0x13f6 | 0x0111 | 0x10 | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | e3dx hsp56 CMedia 8738-sx 4ch | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | EDio SC3000D 6ch | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Genius SoundMaker Value PCI C3DX | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Guillemot Maxi Sound Muse | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Hercules Gamesurround Muse LT | 0x13f6 | 0x0111 | 0x10 | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{no}} | |- | Hercules Gamesurround Muse XL LT 5.1 | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Inno audio extreme 5.1 cmi8738/lx pci 6ch | 0x13f6 | 0x0111 | 0x | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | M-Audio (Midiman) DiO 2448 | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Sabrent SBT-SP6C 6ch | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | StarTech PCISOUND4CH 8738sx 4ch | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Sweex SC012 CMI8738-lx 4ch | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Terratec 5.1 PCI | 0x13f6 | 0x0111 | 0x10 | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Terratec Aureon Fun 5.1 | | | | <!--Playback--> {{yes}} | <!--Recording--> {{unk}} | Has SPDIF |- | Trust Sound Expert Digital Surround 5.1 (cm8738-mx 6ch) | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Turtle Beach Riviera CMI8738-MX 6ch | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | XSonic CMI 8738 6ch | | | | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->CMI8738 6ch PCI-E PCI Express version | <!--Vendor ID-->0x13f6 | <!--Product ID-->0x0111 | <!--Revision-->0x10 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes|}} | <!--Recording-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--Comments-->Chinese based card with playback tested so far |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====2001-2005 ac97.audio==== *6.4 27-12-2008 The AC97 chips were designed to be pinout interchangeable so that the sound support could change easily and quickly without motherboard redesigns the green jack is for the main speaker pair AND headphones, so manual switching will be required If your card is wired for the "AC97" standard, then it's up to your headphone jack to switch the green speaker output in and out, the headphone jack has Normally-closed contacts that will open on insertion, which breaks the signal path back to the sound card (FP_RETURN) The ProductID and VendorID are for the audio controller only - the important additional codec is '''NOT''' so easily identified. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Description ! width="10%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Playback ! width="10%" |Recording ! width="35%" |Comments |- | <!--Description-->Avance Logic (now Realtek) ALC100 and ALC101 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->ALC200 and ALC201 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->ALC201A and ALC202 and ALC202A codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->ALC650 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->most Nforce2 boards plays audio only - Abit NF7, Asus A7N8X, MSI K7N2, Epox 8RDA+, DFI |- | <!--Description-->ALC850 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->no support for via P4P800 chipset on ASUS A8V-E SE Deluxe mobo - ICaros 1.3 |- | <!--Description-->Realtek ALC653 codec and ALC655 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested Acorp 7NFU400 |- | <!--Description-->Realtek ALC658 codec ALC658D | <!--Vendor ID-->0x8080 | <!--Product ID-->0x24c5 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes|Prefs Music and Units 0-3 set volume control - playback}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->MSI Motherboard on NB 22-09-2012 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->AD1881 SoundMAX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments-->Analog Devices first AC97 |- | <!--Description-->AD1881A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Yes}} | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments-->works with VIA Controller - untested Intel etc |- | <!--Description-->AD1881B | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->AD1885 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->Playback only with issues on D845HV but not working on MS-6367 because Units 0-3 have masked volume control |- | <!--Description-->AD1886 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->AD1887 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ADI AD1888 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments--> Icaros 1.51 |- | <!--Description-->AD1980 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->AD1981A codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested IBM X30 |- | <!--Description-->Analog Devices SoundMax(TM) AD1981B codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->plays back only on IBM T41 Thinkpad |- | <!--Description-->AD1985 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->not working ahi prefs freezes on D865GLC mobo ([http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/multimedia/display/int-sound2_3.html ] |- | <!--Description-->AD1986 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested [http://uk.ts.fujitsu.com/rl/servicesupport/techsupport/Boards/Motherboards/Fujitsu/D1931/D1931.htm D1931] but works (Acer Aspire 3610 laptop) |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->Crystal Semiconductors CS4205, CS4202 codecs | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Cirrus Logic CrystalWare 4236 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Cirrus Logic CrystalClear SoundFusion CS4297 CS4299 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested IBM T23 |- | <!--Description-->conexant Cx20468-31 codec (id 30) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x103c | <!--Product ID-->0x3085 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No|AC97 appears in AHI Prefs}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->Tested AspireOS 1.8 on Gateway W322 |- | <!--Description-->ESS Technology ES1921 AC'97 2.1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->CMI 6501 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested on ASROCK SKT-AM2 AM2NF3-VSTA |- | <!--Description-->codec CMI9738 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->codec CMI9739 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->C-Media CMI 9739A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments--> untested on EPoX 8RDA3+ |- | <!--Description-->CMedia CMI 9761A codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested ASRocK K7NF2-RAID |- | <!--Description-->C-Media CMI9880 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->National Semi conductor (now TI) LM4540, LM4543, LM4545, LM4546, LM4548, LM4549, LM4550 LM4560 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->STAC9708T codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->SigmaTel (now IDT) C-Major STAC 9460 (D/A only), 9461, 9462, 9463, 9200, 9202, 9250, 9251, 9220, 9221, 9223, 9750 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->AKM (Asahi Kasei Microsystems) AK 4540, 4543, 4544A, 4545 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->codec VT1616 (VIA Six-TRAC Vinyl Audio) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->VIA VT1612, VT82C686 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ESStech ESS ES1968 maestro-2 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x125d | <!--Product ID-->0x1968 | <!--Revision-->0x | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ESStech ESS ES1978 maestro2e | <!--Vendor ID-->0x125d | <!--Product ID-->0x1978 | <!--Revision-->0x | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ESStech ESS ES1988 maestro3 allegro-1 codec | <!--Vendor ID-->0x125d | <!--Product ID-->0x1988 | <!--Revision-->0x12 | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Yamaha AC97 ymf-743 YMF752 YMF753 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested ymf-753 |- | <!--Description-->YMF724 YMF744 YMF-754 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | SIS 7018 / Trident 4dwave DX/NX / ALi 5451 | 0x1039 (0x1023 Trident) | 0x7018 (0x2000 Trident DX) (0x2001 Trident NX) | 0x02 | <!--Playback-->{{No}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | no support - introduced early 2000s |- | SIS 7012 | 0x1039 | 0x7012 | | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | working through 1 speaker only took over from SIS7018 (2002 onwards) |- | <!--Description-->Wolfson (now Cirrus Logic) WM9701, WM9701A (AC'97 1.03 spec), WM9703, WM9704 (AC'97 2.1), WM9705, WM9706, WM9707, WM9708 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->WM9709, WM9710, WM9711, WM9712, WM971 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments-->first Microsoft(TM) Xbox DAC sound chip (AC Link compliant D/A converter) |- | <!--Description-->Wolfson WM9717 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | Parallels | | | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | untested |- | VirtualBox | | | | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{No}} | working |- | VirtualPC | | | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | untested |- | <!--Description-->Intel 82801AA Proxmox | <!--Vendor ID-->0x8086 | <!--Product ID-->0x | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====2005-20xx HDAUDIO.audio==== *6.36 2025 [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/43b33a9280b10963ca659de2cc3d1cf289b43a87 reset handler] *6.35 202 [] *6.34 2019 AROS One 1.5 upwards *6.29 2018 *6.27 2017 update *6.25 2014 used for most Icaros 2.x *6.20 July 2012 *6.17 Nov 2011 *6.15 Jun 2011 *[http://www.clusteruk.com/SitePortalPage.aspx?siteid=1&did=109 6.13] Sep 2010 {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="5%" |Product ID ! width="5%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Playback ! width="10%" |Recording ! width="35%" |Comments |- | <!--Description-->ALC260 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC262 * ALC262-VD2-GR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->LQFP-48 |- | ALC268 codec | 0x | 0x | 0x | <!--Playback-->{{Yes|Version 6.17 Acer AOA110 and AOA150 netbooks), works (Dell Mini Inspiron 9 and 10v, }} | <!--Recording-->{{Yes|Version 6.17 remove QUERY and select 'Mic 1' as input. Tested with 6.15 as well using QuickRecord and AE 4.0.23 under Icaros 1.4.}} | <!--Comments-->AHI UNITS and Music are set to: hdaudio:HiFi 16 bit stereo++ / Frequency 48000 Hz, Volume +0.0 dB. The hdaudio.config in SYS:Prefs/Env-Archive is WITHOUT the QUERY-line. After changing and saving the config-file turn off and start again the computer. Switch from internal loudspeaker to headphone you must turn off the music before plug in the headphone-cable, otherwise there is no output on the socket. Back from line-out to internal speakers it is the same. |- | [http://blog.foool.net/wp-content/uploads/linuxdocs/sound.pdf Linux docs ALC269] * ALC269Q-GR * ALC269QSRS-GR * ALC269W-GR | 0x | 0x | 0x | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->TQFP 48 pin Power IC Chip From [https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/alsa-devel/patch/1408118123-15849-1-git-send-email-tiwai@suse.de/ ALC269 & co have many vendor-specific setups with COEF verbs, result in the codec stalling] |- | [http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=0321f8479fd670cd510f9912b1120fe7edcf2e07 ALC269VB] * ALC269Q-VB5-GR * ALC269Q-VB6-CG * ALC269Q-VB6-GR | 0x10ec | 0x0269 | 0x100004, 0x100100, 0x100202 | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe|some versions work}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> * v1 works Asus eee PC netbook 901/1000HA 1005HA/1008HA, 1001P, * v2 maybe working Lenovo S9 S10 S10-2 S10-3 under HDAudio version 6.13 * v3 maybe dell wyse 7010 |- | [http://alsa-project.org/db/?f=9c1746c5957b0ce72ff9cfffa312e97d14baf785 ALC269VC aka ALC3202] * ALC269Q-VC2-GR * ALC269Q-VC3-GR | 0x10ec | 0x0269 | 0x100203, | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe|some versions work}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->SMT SMD QFN-48 - * v1 unknown * v2 unknown * v3 x230, dell wyse, |- | ALC272 * ALC272-VA4-GR | 0x10ec | 0x0272 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | * works Acer AOD150 and Acer AOD250 works [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33755&forum=28#616910 Samsung NP-NC10], works Samsung NF210-A02] netbooks, |- | <!--Description-->ALC273 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC270 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC282 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1002 | <!--Product ID-->0x | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No|Version 6.17}} | <!--Recording-->{{No|Version 6.17}} | <!--Comments-->needs retest |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC660 ALC660-VD | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> * works asus F9s, F9e * untested asus w7j, M51SN, A6Tc, A8Sr, |- | <!--Description-->ALC661-GR (2011) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | ALC662 | 0x1043 | 0x82a1 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes|Version 6.17 if QUERY added to top of hdaudio.config}} | <!--Recording-->{{No|Version 6.17 not working for eee pc 900}} | * works Asus eee PC netbook 700/701/900, Atom 270 and 330 mobos, odd clicks (D410 NM10 PineTrail), |- | <!--Description-->[http://outpost.fr/rmaa/ALC663.htm ALC663] | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10ec | <!--Product ID-->0x0861 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No|Version 6.13}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->not bad output like headphone amp part of the codec actually works well but messed up by undersized coupling capacitors to actually support such a low impedance * not working Asus n50vn x71vn, |- | <!--Description-->ALC665 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC666 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC667 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC668 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC670 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->ALC880 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->some 915 and 925 chipset mobos |- | <!--Description-->ALC882M | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | Realtek ALC883 ALC883-GR ALC883D-GR ALC883DTS-GR ALC883DD-GR codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe|some early versions work }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk| }} | 2005 to 2007 HD Audio codec untested (Asus ), |- | Codec ALC885 | 0x10ec | 0x0885 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | ALC888 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | ALC888s * ALC888S-VD2-GR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} MSI Wind U90/U100, | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | LQFP-48 |- | ALC888b | 0x8086 | 0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | untested (D510 NM10 Dual Core PineTrail mobo), |- | ALC888-VD | 0x8086 | 0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | untested |- | ALC889A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes|works if QUERY added to the top of hdaudio.config in Prefs drawer/directory}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | ALC889 Gr | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} with crackles | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | ALC889 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | Tested with MSI H55 board |- | ALC887 ALC887-GR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | * working on ASUS P5KPL/EPU and Gigabyte GA-E350N-Win8 Rev1.0 |- | ALC887-VD-CG | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10ec | <!--Product ID-->0x0887 | <!--Revision-->0x100302 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} Subsystem Id: 0x1458a002 | |- | ALC887-VD | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10ec | <!--Product ID-->0x0887 0x1458 | <!--Revision-->0xa002 | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} index = 2 | ALC887 does not have any volume control ability on the mixer NIDs, so put the volume controls on the dac NIDs instead * working with intermittent corrupting pop popping skipping stuttering sound issues MSI 760GM-P23 (FX), * not working Gigabyte H61MA-D3V, AT3IONT-I Deluxe, |- | ALC887-VD2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | 3jacks |- | ALC887-VD2-GR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | ALC887- | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | ALC892-CG rev | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk| }} | 2011 48-pin LQFP Green package - |- | ALC892 ALC892-DTS-CG rev | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | 2009 introduced * works * not working * untested |- | ALC892 rev | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0x10ec | <!--Product ID-->0x0892 | <!--Revision-->0x100302 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk| }} | 2014 |- | Realtek ALC886-GR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk| }} | LQFP-48 |- | Codec ALC861 ALC861-VD | 0x10ec | <!--Product ID-->0x0663 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | * not working Toshiba Tecra A7 |- | <!--Description-->ALC1200 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | ALC898 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | not working |- | <!--Description-->ALC1500 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC aka ALC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC3232 (aka ALC292) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10ec | <!--Product ID-->0x0292 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC aka ALC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC3234 aka ALC255 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10ec | <!--Product ID-->0x0255 | <!--Revision-->003 | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC aka ALC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC3287 aka ALC257 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{yes| }} | <!--Recording-->{{no| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC aka ALC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->ALC aka ALC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->AD1882 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->AD1883 HD Codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->AD1884 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Analog Devices SoundMAX AD1981 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0 | <!--Product ID-->0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | IBM Thinkpad T60, |- | AD1984 hp-m4 codec | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0 | <!--Product ID-->0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{No}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | * audio not working on Lenovo X61, Thinkpad T61, |- | AD1986 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0 | <!--Product ID-->0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | AD1988 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0 | <!--Product ID-->0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{No}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | <!--Description-->AD1988A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->Cirrus Logic CS4207 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0 | <!--Product ID-->0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | |- | <!--Description-->Cirrus Logic CS4208 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0 | <!--Product ID-->0x0 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20549 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Maybe|very very very low volume}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested Fujitsu Amilo SI 1510 1520 no datasheet for the general public |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20549-12Z codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested HP 530 |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20561 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> * working lenovo x200s * untested Lenovo Essential G555 Notebook, HP Pavilion dv6700, |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20582 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX2059x CX20590 CX20594-21Z codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20585 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> * working Lenovo Thinkpad T410, |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20672 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20671 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX20751-21Z codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{yes| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX11852 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Conexant CX11880 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Conexant after 2015 up to 2018 CX7501 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no|no driver codec}} | <!--Recording-->{{no|no driver codec}} | <!--Comments-->Conexant bought by synaptics 2019 |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->C-Media CMI9880 codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->Gigabyte GA-8GPNXP |- | <!--Description-->Silicon Labs 3054 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | VIA 1708A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | untested, |- | VIA VT1708B | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | 0x0010 | <!--Playback-->{{No|VIA PicoITX}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | VIA 1708S | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | <!--Description-->VT2021 10ch | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments-->Gigabyte Z77MX-D3H, GA-H61M-S2H‎ S2P, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Creative CA0110-IBG | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->SigmaTel STAC 9220 9221 9223 8ch (7+1) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->ECS 945GCT/M-1333 (version 3.0), |- | IDT SigmaTec [http://explorer.cekli.com/articles/pdf/hd-audio STAC9227] /28/29/30 codec | <!--Vendor ID-->0x8384 | <!--Product ID-->0x7626 | <!--Revision-->0x0002 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | * works HP Compaq mini 110 * untested HP Pavilion HDX9000 CTO Notebook, Intel DG33TL mobo, Dell E520, Intel DP35DP mobo, Dell E6410 Laptop, |- | IDT (formerly SigmaTel) IDC STAC 9271/71D | <!--Vendor ID-->0x8384 | <!--Product ID-->0x7626 | <!--Revision-->0x0002 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | |- | <!--Description-->IDC STAC 9272 9273 9274 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments-->Intel D5400XS, |- | <!--Description-->IDT 92HD73C | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{yes}} | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments-->headphones only Asus AT4NM10 mobo |- | <!--Description-->IDT 92HD75B | <!--Vendor ID-->0x111d | <!--Product ID-->0x7608 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> * working [http://koti.kapsi.fi/jvaltane/aros/hdaudio/ HP Compaq Mini 700 Netbook - feedback required] * untested HP Mini 5103 and 5102, HP Compaq 610, HP ProBook Laptop 4520s 4525s 6450b 6550b 6555b, HP EliteBook 2540p 2740p 8440p, Mobile Workstation 8540w 8740w, Pavilion NoteBook DV8, |- | <!--Description-->IDC 92HD81XX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->IDC 92HD83XX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->IDC STAC 92HD89XX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->IDC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->IDC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->IDC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->IDC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Wolfson (now Cirrus Logic) WM8850 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Wolfson WM8860 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments-->Intel High Definition Audio Revision 1.0. - 4-Channel DAC, 4-channel ADC. - DAC sampling |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} Using Prefs/AHI ensure you set the music unit and at least Units 0 (where most audio comes from) in top left drop down menu to HDaudio - HIFI in the section below. Set Units 1 or 2 to microphone or other outputs. Plus allow more than one channel for multiple audio streams and set frequency up to 44 kHz or higher on the right hand side of the ahi prefs. If sound beeps when you press the test button then all should be OK. Output <- Codec <- Audio Controller (HDA) <-> Computer codecs and exact hardware identifier. As mentioned above, HDA is only part of the work here, it gets the audio out of the main chipset in digital format (on a bus called I2S). This is not enough, there is another step needed which is routing that I2S signal to the output, converting it to actual audio, amplifying it, etc. This is handled by a separate chip called a "codec". Sometimes it is initialized by the BIOS, but this is not always the case. Most audio drivers are made up of two parts a [http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sound/alsa/HD-Audio.txt Controller + a Codec]. The ProductID and VendorID are for the audio controller only - the important additional codec is '''NOT''' so easily identified. Some newer versions of codecs are missing at the moment. Things to try if sound not working * try to connect something to the audio jack, maybe it is not playing on internal speakers or vice versa * make sure you try and select all music units e.g. unit0, unit1.... * even if PCI ID's are in Prefs/Env-Archive/HDaudio.config, this doesn't mean it is working, it is the codec that matters * it might be internally muted <pre> add debug=memory to grub boot line - continue booting with F10 Open a shell Tools/Debug/Bifteck > RAM:audio.txt </pre> or <pre> Open a shell Tools/Debug/Sashimi > RAM:audio.txt Run ahi prefs Click test tone button Stop sashimi with Ctrl-C </pre> If the boot sound is enabled, you have to use Bifteck to capture AHI debug output. In the GRUB menu, press E on your selected entry, then add "debug=memory" to the options (alongside ATA=, vesa= etc.). Then F10 or Ctrl-X to boot. Once booted, run Tools/Debug/Bifteck again. or * try adding QUERYD to the start of ENVARC:hdaudio.config file (also known as Prefs/Env-Archive/) ie. on the first line * '''OR''' try removing QUERY and QUERYD from the start of the hdaudio.config file * Reboot * open a shell * type: sys:tools/debug/sashimi > ram:debug.txt * open ahi prefs * select one of the audio modes - HIFI or otherwise * press the 'test sound' button * press ctrl-c in the shell * post the results to Aros-World The HD Audio standard was designed to be hardware pinout interchangeable so that the sound support could change easily and quickly. HDA is a standard around particular chips. Each kind of chip has a certain number of DACs and pins, and even the same chip could be hooked up in different ways on different motherboards. The chips are programmable and the operating system can adjust how things are routed. Some pins aren’t even hooked up, so it makes no sense to route sound to them. Also some pins have sensors that can tell when something is plugged in, so that for example the speakers in a laptop can be muted when headphones are plugged in. Pins are also grouped, so for example all the outputs for a 5.1 sound system are grouped. Generally the HDA driver in the operating system is supposed to read the pin set up and figure out a reasonable way to set things up, and disconnected pins should be ignored, etc. HDAudio standard has headphones on a separate DAC, and it's up to the driver.. it can even send different audio to the headphones without interrupting the main (green) outputs ====Envy24 series ==== A little history. VIA bought the ICE created Envy chipsets [http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/audio/controllers/comparison_controller.jsp VT1712] first. A few years later, they created several cheaper variants VT1724 (mixer missing), VT1721 (low end cut down), VT1720 (embedded on motherboard) and lastly the VT1723 (no support apart from Windows Envy24DT like SYBA SD-PEX63034). There are PCI Express versions appearing. The Envy24 is the base product that was originally designed by ICEnsemble, and it supports multi-channel hardware mixing, which is great for professional use. The HT version removes the hardware mixer (unimportant for non-professional uses). The [http://www.avsforum.com/t/364771/envy24ht-s-the-definitive-source HT-S] version is almost exactly the same as the HT, it just uses cheaper DACs. The PT version is exactly the same as the HT-S version, it is just the edition used for on-board audio on motherboards. N.B. [http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec04/articles/pcnotes.htm PCI slot identification] and [http://hsi.web.cern.ch/HSI/s-link/devices/s32pci64/slottypes.html 3.3v PCI]. =====[http://www.opensound.com/readme/README.Envy24.html envy24.audio] - [http://www.anime.net/~goemon/alsa/ VT1712] ===== {| class="wikitable" ! Description ! Vendor ID ! Product ID ! Revision ! Playback ! Recording ! Comments |- | M-Audio Delta 66 - Rev B 1999 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested AK4524VF CS8404A-CS - needs Delta Series break out box with D-sub lead - |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles/maudioaudiophile/index.html Audiophile 2496] Rev A 2000 | 0x14 | 0x | | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Recording-->{{unk| }} | works audio out on - I2S stereo codec AKM AK4528VF with the 24bit/96kHz DAC and ADC; CS8427 digital transceiver |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles/maudioaudiophile/index.html Audiophile 2496] Rev B 2003 | 0x14 | 0x | | <!--Playback-->{{Yes }} | <!--Recording--> | works well - I2S stereo codec AKM AK4528VF with the 24bit/96kHz DAC and ADC; CS8427 digital transceiver |- | M-Audio Delta 410 - 2001 2001 REV-B | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested for D-A AK4529VQ converters with CS8427-CS 5532 1158B or Event Echo Gina 20-Bit Multitrack Interface Breakout Box - |- | M-Audio Delta 1010 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested AK5383 and AK4393 - 25 pin dsub - |- | M-Audio Delta 1010LT 1010E | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested for D-A AK4529 converters with 2 XLR Microphone inputs with pre amps * be aware of redesign in 2007 - possible issues |- | M Audio Delta 44 - Rev A 2002 - Rev B 2003 - Rev D 2003 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested ICE1712G AK4524VF needs breakout box with 15 pin D-sub lead - |- | M-Audio Delta 66 Rev E 2006 - Omni Studio | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested needs break out box with 15 pin D-sub lead - |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio Delta DiO 2496 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Terratec EWX24/96 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/terratecdmx6fire/index.html TerraTec 6fire DMX 24/96] | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1412 | <!--Product ID-->0x1712 | <!--Revision-->0x02 | <!--Playback-->{{No|tried line 1-2 3-4 5-6 7-8 }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | untested - AKM and codec |- | <!--Description-->Terratec EWSA88MT | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | [http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-multimedia/2007-March/006087.html Audiotrak Prodigy HD2] 24/96 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | Audiotrak (ESI) Maya 1010 1010L | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | EMU 1212M | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | EMU 1616M | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | untested |- | <!--Description-->Terratec EWS 88MT EWS 88D | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Hoontech Soundtrack DSP 24 Soundtrack DSP 24 Value Soundtrack DSP 24 Media 7.1 Event Electronics EZ8 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Digigram VX442 Lionstracs Mediastation Terrasoniq TS 88 Roland/Edirol DA-2496 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} =====envy24ht.audio - VIA VT1724===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Description ! width="10%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Playback ! width="10%" |Recording ! width="35%" |Comments |- | ESI Juli@ | 0x3031 | 0x4553 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Yes}} | <!--Recording-->{{Yes}} | reported working years ago [http://envy24.svobodno.com/ Envy24HT-S] - AKM 4358 DAC - AKM 4114/4112 DIT |- | ESI Juli@ Ego Igo rev K | 0x3031 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{Unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{Unk}} | AK4358? DAC - AK4114 AK4112 DIT |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/multimedia/m-audio-revolution51.html M-Audio Revolution 5.1] | 0x1412 | 0x3631 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | reported working years ago but discontinued - (Envy24GT) - 3ch AKM 4358 DAC - ADC AKM 5365 - |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/m-audio-revolution71/index.html M-Audio Revolution 7.1] 24/192 | 0x1412 | 0x3630 0x1724 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | not working - illegal semaphore - 6ch ADC AKM AK4355 24-bit 192 kHz - 2ch DAC AKM AK4381 24-bit 192 kHz - ADC AKM AK5380 |- | Terratec Aureon Sky 5.1 | 0x153b | 0x1147 | 0x | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | untested - discontinued |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/terratec-aureon71/index.html Terratec Aureon Space 7.1] | 0x153b | 0x1145 | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | untested - Wolfson WM8770 DAC, AC'97 codec SigmaTel STAC9744 |- | Terratec Aureon Universe 7.1 | 0x153b | 0x1153 (rev x) 0x1724 (rev3) | 0x0 | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | not working - semaphore error on rev 3 - DAC ADC |- | Terratec Phase 22 | 0x153b | 0x1150 | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | untested - Envy24HT-S - AK4524 |- | Terratec Phase 28 | 0x153b | 0x1149 | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | untested - Envy24HT-S - AK4524 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Playback | Recording | Revision | Comments |- | Audiotrak (ESI) Prodigy 7.1 | 0x4933 | 0x4553 | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | no driver - Wolfson WM8770 and AC'97 SigmaTel STAC9744 codec |- | Audiotrak (ESI) Prodigy 7.1 LT | 0x3132 | 0x4154 | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | no driver - |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/sound/audiotrak-prodigy192.html Audiotrak (ESI) Prodigy 192] 24/96 | | | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | no driver - STAC9460S codec |- | <!--Description-->Echo Layla 24/96 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | [http://www.bit-tech.net/custompc/labs/80752/hercules-gamesurround-fortissimo-4.html Hercules Gamesurround Fortissimo 4] | | | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | no driver - Wolfson WM8776 Codec and WM8766 DAC |- | [http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/multimedia/m-audio-audiophile192.html M-Audio Audiophile Delta AP 192k] | 0x1412 | 0x3632 | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | no driver - Stereo ADC AKM AK5385A 24-bit 192 kHZ - 8-channel DAC AKM AK4358 24-bit 192 kHz - AKM 4114/4112 DIT |- | ONKYO SE-150PCI | 0x160b | 0x0001 | | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | no driver |- | <!--Description-->ESI Waveterminal 192x | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Quartet | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments--> - AKM 4114/4112 DIT |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk}} | <!--Recording-->{{unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====hdmiaudio.audio - hdmi no support==== {| class="wikitable" ! Description ! Vendor ID ! Product ID ! Revision ! Comments |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Recording | Comments |- | <!--Description-->ATI R6xx HDMI Audio codec support output | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1002 | <!--Product ID-->0x9840 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{No| }} | <!--Recording-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->Not detected |- | <!--Description-->NVidia HDMI | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Intel Series 6 CougarPoint HDMI codec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Intel HDMI | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Recording--> | <!--Comments--> |} [[#top|...to the top]] ===Graphic GFX Chipsets=== [https://gallium.readthedocs.io/en/latest/systems.html PCIe based] graphic chipset is defacto on 64bit AROS and recommended on 32bit. AGP works on 32bit but faster transfers through the AGP slot are only available on a few supported motherboard chipsets * Faster AGP Working = SIS 650 board, Intel 865pe AGP slot on MSI 6788-050, * Not Supported = NForce2 chipsets, most Intel 815/820 chipsets, VIA chipsets, ALi chipsets, The fallback for all graphics modes is vesa if any native support does not work. There is a choice of very low resolution vga as the last resort 2D tests performed with [http://download.aros3d.org/software/gfxbench.zip gfxbench] in the shell type gfxbench > out.txt (40 seconds blank screen is part of the test), via FreeDoom via limit-removing engine like odamex, chocolate or vanilla doom -timedemo demo1 or doom2 -timedemo demo1, doom.exe -iwad doom2 -file mymap.wad, Duke DNRATE 640x480 windowed 3D tests performed with Demos/Mesa/ , Cube 1080p, Cube 2 windowed not fullscreen 1920 x 1025, Quake3 ~ cl_drawFPS 1, Xonotic , [http://shinh.skr.jp/sdlbench/showtestgl.cgi test gl], HDMI, DVI and DisplayPort monitors have a native resolution of 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p and up <pre> HDMI (licensing fee) 1.2 720p res. 1.3 1080 resolution 1.4 4K @ 30Hz 2.0 4K @ 60Hz 2.1 48Gbs for 4K @ 120Hz, 8K @ , VRR, etc 2.2 ultra96 </pre> <pre> DisplayPort (VESA introduced) 1.4 4K @ 60Hz 2.1 96Gbs for 4K @ 240Hz, 8K @ 120Hz. MST daisy chain multiple monitors, </pre> <pre> GPMI chinese standard 2.0 </pre> *OpenGL4 must have 64-bit floating point FP64 math support. The last revision opengl 4.6 (2017) on [https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/AMDGPU AMDGPU] RX 5000's / 6000s ([https://forum.batocera.org/d/7491-enable-opengl-46-and-vulkan-for-an-old-radeon-video-card RDNA] and Nvidia RTX might come to AROS) but Intel UHD, Iris Plus or Xe or Arc will not unless a developer wants the challenge - [https://docs.mesa3d.org/relnotes/20.0.0.html#mesa-20-0-0-release-notes-2020-02-19 Mesa 20.0.0] implements the OpenGL 4.6 API, but the version reported by glGetString(GL_VERSION) or glGetIntegerv(GL_MAJOR_VERSION) / glGetIntegerv(GL_MINOR_VERSION) depends on the particular driver being used and may report a lower version depending on each driver. Mesa 20.0.0 implements the Vulkan 1.2 API, but the version reported by the apiVersion property of the VkPhysicalDeviceProperties struct depends on the particular driver being used. *OpenGL3 last revision 3.3 (2011) *OpenGL2 nvidia-nouveau on Aros 32bit, *OpenGL1 intel gma950 on Aros 32bit and 64bit, ====vga.hidd==== {| class="wikitable" ! Description ! Vendor ID ! Product ID ! Revision ! Comments |- | | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | Generic VGA Driver, limited to 640x480 in 16 colours - no 3D support |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====vesa.hidd==== {| class="wikitable" ! Description ! Vendor ID ! Product ID ! Revision ! Comments |- | | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | 2D support for VBE1, VBE2 and VBE3 (most cards) - various resolutions and 24bit colour - no 3D support |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} [[#top|...to the top]] ====[[w:en:Intel GMA|Intel GMA]]==== DVI output is not supported at the moment. If having problems: * Ensure the latest version is being used. * Set GMA_MEM to 128 or 256 to test * Try the FORCEGMA ToolType for 2D, and try the FORCEGALLIUM ToolType for 3D acceleration after 2D is verified to work. ToolTypes should be applied to the Devs/Monitors/IntelGMA monitor icon. If still having problems: * At GRUB boot screen edit boot line and add option: debug=memory * Boot. * Use shell command: tools/debug/bifteck > RAM:debug.txt * And post [GMA MONITOR DETECTION] and other related debug lines {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="5%" |Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="5%" |Product ID ! width="3%" |Rev ! width="5%" |2D ! width="5%" |3D ! width="5%" |Analog Output ! width="5%" |Digital Output ! width="5%" |Laptop LCD ! width="30%" |Comments |- | 910GL 82910GL GMCH + ICH6 | 0x8086 | 0x2582 0x2592 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Unk}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | 910GML 82910 GML GMCH + ICH6 Mobile | 0x8086 | 0x2582 0x2592 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Unk}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | may need to add forceGMA to grub boot line to work |- | 915G 82915G GMCH + ICH6-M | 0x8086 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Unk}} | <!--3D-->{{Unk}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | |- | 915GL 82915GL GMCH | 0x8086 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Unk}} | <!--3D-->{{Unk}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | |- | 915GV 82915GV GMCH | 0x8086 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | HP DC5100 small form factor |- | 915GM GMA900 | 0x8086 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> {{Yes| }} | <!--3D--> {{Unk| tunnel gearbox }} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Yes}} | asus eee pc 900 |- | 915GMS | 0x8086 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> {{Yes| }} | <!--3D--> {{Unk| tunnel }} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Yes| }} | |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | [http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Graphics-Media-Accelerator-950.2177.0.html 945GU] - 133 MHz (Lake port for Intel A100 and A110) | 0x8086 | 0x2772 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> {{Yes| }} | <!--3D--> {{Unk| }} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | Fujitsu LifeBook U1010, |- | 945GMS - 166 MHz / 250 MHz (1.05V) | 0x8086 | 0x27a2 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> {{Yes| }} | <!--3D--> {{Unk| }} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Yes}} | Dell D430 |- | 945GSE - 166 MHz (for Atom) | 0x8086 | 0x27ae | 0x0 | <!--2D--> {{Yes| }} | <!--3D--> {{Yes|[http://www.x.org/wiki/GalliumStatus]}} | {{Yes}} | {{No|dvi port}} | {{Yes| }} | for atom motherboards and most 2008/2009 netbooks * 3D Works - AOA110 AOA150, Dell Mini 9, Samsung NC10, Toshiba NB100, |- | 945G 82945G GMCH + ICH7 | 0x8086 | 0x27a6 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Unk}} | <!--3D-->{{Unk}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | untested 2D and 3D |- | 945GC 82945GC MCH | 0x8086 | 0x27a6 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Unk}} | <!--3D-->{{Unk}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | untested 2D and 3D |- | 945PM | 0x8086 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | Dell D420, Compaq nc6400, |- | 945GMS - 250 MHz Calistoga | 0x8086 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> {{Yes}} | <!--3D--> {{Yes|most models}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Yes}} | * 3D Works Dell Latitude 2100, HP Compaq nc6320, Lenovo 3000, Lenovo T60, Samsung Q35, Dell D620, Dell D820, * 3D untested Toshiba Satellite L100-120, Toshiba Portege M400, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Unk}} | <!--3D-->{{Unk}} | <!--Analogue Output--> | <!--Digital Output--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | GMA 3100 G31 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | works 2D but no 3D |- | GMA 3100 G33 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | works 2D but no 3D |- | [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_GMA GMA 3150] netbooks and nettops | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | works 2D but no 3D. no vga, dvi or hdmi output for nettops |- | <!--Description--> G965 | <!--Vendor ID--> 0x8086 | <!--Product ID--> 0x | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> Q965 | <!--Vendor ID--> 0x8086 | <!--Product ID--> 0x2992 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{No}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments--> Only tested with VGA output. |- | 965GM X3100 (500 MHz) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | some support 2D but no hardware 3D - could not get it to work with VGA or dvi output * untested Apple MacBook Air, Lenovo Thinkpad X300, Dell Inspiron 1525, Toshiba M9, |- | 960GM X3100 (400 MHz) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | |- | 965M X3100 (400 MHz) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | Dell D830, |- | 965PM ?? | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | Toshiba A9 works with limited 2D acceleration but no hardware 3D |- | GL965 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | works with limited 2D acceleration but no hardware 3D |- | GM965 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | works with limited 2D acceleration but no hardware 3D |- | GMA X3500 G35 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | works with limited 2D acceleration but no hardware 3D |- | <!--Description-->X4500M G41 G43 G45 (400Mhz) Mobile 4 Series | <!--Vendor ID--> 0x8086 | <!--Product ID--> 0x2a42 0x2a43 | <!--Revision-->0x07 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue--> {{No|}} | <!--Digital--> {{No|}} | <!--Laptop LCD--> {{Yes| VESA}} | <!--Comments-->works with limited 2D acceleration but no hardware 3D |- | <!--Description-->GMA 4500M HD (533 MHz) | <!--Vendor ID--> 0x8086 | <!--Product ID--> 0x | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->works with limited 2D acceleration but no hardware 3D |- | <!--Description-->GMA 4700M HD (640MHZ) | <!--Vendor ID--> 0x8086 | <!--Product ID--> 0x2a42 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--3D-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk}} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{Unk}} | <!--Comments-->works with limited 2D acceleration but no hardware 3D |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====[http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix nouveau].hidd (nvidia pci, agp, pci-e desktop)==== PCIe based nvidia graphics (gfx 8xxx) are the base level for 64bit AROS but earlier models still has some support on 32bit AROS *Desktop, more likely hit rather than miss on early nvidia on Aros 32bit but on Aros 64bit ... *Laptop, limited support for '''very''' early non-optimus (i.e. just Nvidia gfx only so no Intel and nvidia gfx combinations on 32bit but on 64bit ...) Please note that the nouveau project is reverse engineering a nvidia graphics driver but takes time because of [https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ nVidia's closed firmwares], etc * 202 * 2026-07 - DEVS Nouveau.hidd Gallium.hidd Softpipe - LIBS Gallium GLU 20.0 Mesa OpenCL * 2011-10 - DEVS 6.11 Nouveau.hidd 7.4 Gallium.hidd 9.4 Softpipe - LIBS 2.3 Gallium 1.3 GLU 19.0 Mesa OpenCL 1.x * 2011-04 - DEVS 5.31 Nouveau.hidd 7.3 Gallium.hidd 9.3 Softpipe - LIBS 2.2 Gallium 1.1 GLU 18.0 Mesa OpenCL n/a Nouveau support for AROS is limited to OpenGL 2.1 compliance on 32bit even for modern GL4 capable GPUs but on 64bit ... On Aros 32bit OpenCL supports the NV50 (8000 9000) cards, less support in NVC0 fermi cards (300 upwards) On Aros 64bit ADoom3 graphic details ultra, benchmark while playing press the "`" key and type "Timedemo demo1" in the console {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="5%" | Graphic Card ! width="5%" | Aros 32bit 1024 x 768 ! width="5%" | Aros 32bit 800 x 600 ! width="5%" | Aros 32bit 640 x 480 ! width="5%" | Aros 64bit 1024 x 768 ! width="5%" | Aros 64bit 800 x 600 ! width="5%" | Aros 64bit 640 x 480 |- | NV50 Asus EN8400GS SILENT/P/512M PCIe (G98) || || || || || || |- | Gigabyte 8500GT 256M || 42,6 || 57,2 || 68,6 || || || |- | NV96 (G96) Geforce 9500GT 512M || 43 || 53 || 57 || || || |- | NV96 (G96) 9600GT || || || || || || |- | NVA3 (GT215) GT240 || || || || || || |- | NVA5 (GT216) Palit GT220 Sonic 512M || 39,7 || 55,8 || 63,7 || || || |- | NVA8 (GT218) gt210 || || || || || || |- | NVA8 (GT218) ION2 || 38,4 || 53,9 || 61,7 || Not Detected || Not Detected || Not Detected |- | NVC3 (GF106) GT440 GTS 450 || || || || || || |- | NVCF (GF116) NVC0 Fermi GTX 550Ti or GTS 450 v2 || || || || || || |- | NVC8 (GF110) 580GTX || N/A || N/A || N/A || || || |- | NVE0 Kepler GT630 || N/A || N/A || N/A || || || |- | NVE6 (GK106) Kepler GTX660 || N/A || N/A || N/A || || || |- | NVE7 (GK107) GTX 650 || N/A || N/A || N/A || || || |- | NV110 Maxwell GTX 750 || N/A || N/A || N/A || || || |- | NV126 (GM206) GTX950 || N/A || N/A || N/A || unk || unk || unk |- | NV160 family (Turing) GTX 1650 and RTX 2000 upwards with GSP firmware || N/A || N/A || N/A || unknown || unknown || unknown |- | HostGL Ryzen 5 4600H - Nvidia 1650 - Linux mint 21.1 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 150fps || 154fps || 155fps |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | width="5%" | Graphic Card | width="5%" | Aros 32bit 1024 x 768 | width="5%" | Aros 32bit 800 x 600 | width="5%" | Aros 32bit 640 x 480 | width="5%" | Aros 64bit 1024 x 768 | width="5%" | Aros 64bit 800 x 600 | width="5%" | Aros 64bit 640 x 480 |} {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="5%" | Description ! width="5%" | Vendor ID ! width="5%" | Product ID ! width="2%" | Rev ! width="5%" | 2D ! width="5%" | 3D ! width="5%" | Analog Output ! width="5%" | Digital Output ! width=40%" | Comments |- | <!--Description-->tnt1 (nv04) tnt2 (nv05) m64 value (1998) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--3D-->{{No|very slow}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | NV04 Riva TNT TNT2 Fahrenheit freezes on via motherboard chipset so rename agp.hidd in SYS:Devs/Drivers or Monitors |- | <!--Description-->tnt vanta lt (nv06) 1998 /9 | 0x10de | 0x002c | 0x15 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--3D-->{{No|slow}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | <!--Description-->Geforce 256 (nv10) (2000) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--3D-->{{No|slow }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | Geforce256 |- | <!--Description-->Geforce 2 Geforce 3 Geforce 4 (nv20) 2000 / 2 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--3D-->{{No|slow }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | works for some PCI and AGP Geforce2 Geforce3 Geforce4 |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | Geforce FX5200 nv34 (2003) | 0x10DE | 0x0322 0x | 0xA1 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Maybe|VGA15 }} | <!--Digital-->{{Maybe|DVI}} | NV30 GeForce 5 FX Rankine Hardware OpenGL 1.5 - slower than GF MX 4000 for 2D - max 1024 x768 * not working [https://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=92328&page=8 mobos with VIA chipsets 2018] * working (MSI 0x9174) the previous nouveau 5.x driver * Others work with 6.x series XFX PV-T34K-NA, ASUS V9520-X/TD |- | Geforce FX5500 (nv34) (2003) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | works |- | Geforce 5100 (NV34) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | Geforce FX 5200LE (NV34) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5200 Ultra | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | Geforce FX5600 (nv31) (2004) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | works |- | GeForce FX 5600 Ultra | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5600SE | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5600XT | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | Geforce FX5700 (nv36) (2004) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|some}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | |- | GeForce FX 5700VE | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5700 Ultra | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5700LE | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5800 (NV30) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5800 Ultra (NV30) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5900 (NV35) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5900 Ultra | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5900XT | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5900ZT | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | GeForce FX 5950 Ultra | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | Geforce 5xxx | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | Geforce 6200 (nv44) (2005) | 0x | 0x00F3 0x014F | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|5.28 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| use 5.28}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes|VGA15 and s-video - plain 4pin cable lead will work with 7pin}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | NV40 GeForce 6 GeForce 7 Curie AGP Hardware OpenGL 2.1 needing previous 5.x version as regression arose 2011-10 |- | Geforce 6200 (nv44a) (2006) | 0x | 0x0221 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|5.28 Pixel Text }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes|VGA15}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | Hardware OpenGL 2.1, PCI version tested OK in 2014-01-02 - Icaros 1.5.2 * not working *working |- | GeForce 6200 with Turbo Cache (NV43) | 0x | 0x0161 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | |- | GeForce 6200SE with Turbo Cache (NV44) | 0x | 0x0162 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | |- | Geforce 6200 LE | 0x10de | 0x0163 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | PCI-E |- | GeForce 6600 LE | 0x | 0x00F4 0x0142 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6600 | 0x | 0x00F2 0x0141 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | 2006 PureVideo HD 1 or VP1 re-used the MPEG-1/MPEG-2 decoding pipeline from FX |- | Geforce 6600gt (nv4x) (2005) | 0x | 0x00F1 0x0140 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | OpenGL tests - |- | Geforce 6800 (nv40) (2005) | 0x | 0x0041 0x00C1 0x00F0 0x0211 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6800 XE (NV4x) | 0x | 0x0043 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6800 LE | 0x | 0x0042 0x00C2 0x0212 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6800 GT (quadro fx 1400) | 0x | 0x0045 0x0046 0x0215 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce 6800 GS | 0x | 0x0047 0x00C0 0x00F6 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6800 GTS NV40 | 0x | 0x0040 0x0F9 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce 6800XT | 0x | 0x0044 0x0048 0x00C3 0x0218 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6600 VE | 0x | 0x0143 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6500 NV44 | 0x | 0x0160 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 6250 | 0x | 0x0169 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce 6xxx | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | GeForce 7800 GTX | 0x | 0x0090 0x0091 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| tunnel gearbox cube cube2 25}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> 256MB DDR3 - 1 6pin psu connector - * not working asus en7800gtx/2dhtv/256m/osp/a - * Works XFX PV-T70F-UDD7 Works in steve jones' scrap pc aros build 2010 2 DVI-I ports * Untested |- | GeForce 7800 GT | 0x | 0x0092 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce 7600gt (G8 ) (nv4 ) (2006) | 0x | 0x02E0 0x0391 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> OpenGL 2.1 * not working * working |- | GeForce 7800 SLI | 0x | 0x0095 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7900 GTX | 0x | 0x0290 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7900 GT GTO | 0x | 0x0291 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7900 GS | 0x10de | 0x0292 | 0x0a1 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> * not working * Works with a few glitches with XFX Pine 0x2218 |- | GeForce 7950 GX2 | 0x10de | 0x0293 0x0294 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7950 GT | 0x | 0x0295 0x02E4 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7900 GS | 0x | 0x02E3 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7600 GS | 0x | 0x02E1 0x0392 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7650 GS | 0x10de | 0x0390 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7600 LE | 0x10de | 0x0394 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce 7800GS (G8 ) (nv4 ) (2006) | 0x10de | 0x0093 0x00F5 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> * not working * works if AGP motherboard chipset is supported - Hardware OpenGL 2.1 |- | GeForce 7100 GS | 0x10de | 0x016A | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Pixel Text}} | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7350 LE | 0x10de | 0x01D0 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce 7300le (G8 ) (nv4 ) (2006) | 0x10de | 0x01D1 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7300SE 7200GSGF-7200GS-N-B1 variant (G72) | 0x10de | 0x01D3 | 0x0a1 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk|1x DVI, 1x VGA, 1x S-Video}} | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->2007 40W pci-e 1.0 VP1 no unified shaders - * not working Asus on via chipset (2015), * works Asus on intel chipset (2015), |- | Geforce 7300gt (G8 ) (nv4 ) (2006) | 0x10de | 0x0395 0x0393 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> * not working * works |- | GeForce 7300 GS | 0x10de | 0x01DF | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | GeForce 7500 LE | 0x10de | 0x01DD | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | Geforce 7xxx | 0x10de | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | GeForce 8800 Ultra (NV50 family) | 0x10de | 0x0194 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->NV50 GeForce 8 to GeForce 200s opengl 3.x - max res - 80nm technology - PureVideo HD 2 or VP2 Nvidia VDPAU Feature Set A (absent from ultra and some 8800gt?) added a dedicated bitstream processor (BSP) and enhanced video processor for H.264, VC-1 acceleration |- | Geforce 8800gts (nv50) (G8x) (2007) | 0x10de | 0x0400 0x0600 0x0193 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2007 200w openGL3 openCL - 2x6pin psu * not working 0x0193 models (2015) on via chipsets, * works |- | Geforce 8800gtx (nv5 ) (G8x) (2007) | 0x10de | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{no| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2008 200W 1x 6pin connector, * not working * working * untested XFX PV-T88P-YDF4, Alpha Dog Edition runs extremely hot - Gigabyte GV-NX88T512H, |- | GeForce 8800 GT | 0x10de | 0x0602 0x0611 0x0193 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->DVI up to 2500 x 1600 | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - 6pin psu power connector required * not working * untested Asus EN8800GT/HTDP/256M EN8800GT/HTDP/512M EN8800GT/G/HTDP/512M * works |- | GeForce 8800 GT (G92) | 0x10de | 0x0611 | 0x0a2 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue-->{{N/A}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes}} | <!--Comments--> opengl 3 pci-e 2.0 8800GT 512MB on Icaros 2.0.3 [[File:8800GT aros heads.png|thumb|8800GT]] [[File:8800GT aros tails.png|thumb|8800GT detail]] |- | Geforce 8600gt (nv5 ) (G8x) (2007) | 0x10de | 0x0401 0x0402 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - max res * not working * works |- | GeForce 8500 GT G86 based chipset | 0x10de | 0x0421 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|32bit and 64bit}} | <!--3D-->{{yes|32bit and 64bit}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> OpenGL tests - max opengl 3.x but 2.1 offered on Aros 32bit and * works Gigabyte 8500 GT, * not working |- | GeForce 8800 GS | 0x10de | 0x0606 0x060D | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - max res |- | GeForce 8600GS | 0x10de | 0x0403 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> openGL 3.x VP3 offers complete hardware-decoding for all 3 video codecs of the Blu-ray Disc format: MPEG-2, VC-1, and H.264 - Nvidia VDPAU Feature Set B |- | GeForce 8300 GS | 0x10de | 0x0423 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - max res |- | Geforce 8400gs G98GS (end 2007) GT218 (2009) * Rev2 with 8/16 cores and 128-512MB of DDR2 or GDDR3 memory. * Rev3 with 8 cores and 512MB-1GB of DDR3 memory (based on Tesla 2.0) | 0x10de | 0x0424 0x0422 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| tunnel 490 gearbox 505 Cube 135 Cube2 55 quake3 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes|works digital part of DVI but nothing from any display port}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|output on digital 24 pin array of DDWG's DVI and hdmi}} | <!--Comments-->2009 50W openGL 3.1 openCL - case single slot - one single-link DVI digital output, supporting up to one 1920x1080 resolution display - analog resolution 640 x 480 to 1024 x 768 16 and 24 bit color - [http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nouveau_comp_2011&num=19 runs a little hotter than expected] - G98 VP3 pci-e 2.0 512MB DDR2 - * not working * works Asus EN8400GS SILENT/P/512M PCIe (G98), |- | Geforce 8400gs (nv50) (G86) (mid-2007) * Rev1 with 16 cores / 256MB of DDR2 memory. | 0x10de | 0x0404 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| tunnel 490 gearbox 505 Cube 135 Cube2 55 quake3 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes|works but not tested thru 4 pins of analog signal of DVI plug}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|output on digital 24 pin array of DDWG's DVI and hdmi}} | <!--Comments-->2008 50W openGL 3.1 openCL - case single slot - one single-link DVI digital output up to 1920x1080 resolution display - analog resolution 640 x 480 to 1024 x 768 16 and 24 bit color - [http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nouveau_comp_2011&num=19 runs a little hotter than expected] - G86 VP2 128MB - * not working XFX PV-T86S-YAJG NVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS 512MB DDR2, Sparkle 8400GS 512MB SX84GS512D2L-DPP, * works Asus EN8400GS SILENT/HTP/256M SILENT/HTP/512M/A, |- | GeForce 8400 SE | 0x10de | 0x0420 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> openGL 2.x openCL |- | NVidia Quadro NVS290 DMS-59 | 0x10de | 0x0403 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{no| }} | <!--3D-->{{no| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk|DMS-59 socket}} | <!--Digital-->{{unk|DMS-59 }} | <!--Comments-->2008 21W - G86S (G86-827-A2) - 16 shading units, 8 texture mapping units, and 4 ROPs. NVIDIA has paired 256 MB DDR2 - PCIe 1.0 x16 Low Profile - |- | Geforce Quadro FX 4600 (SDI), 5600 | 0x10de | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Partial|VESA 2d}} | <!--3D-->{{no| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{partial| }} | <!--Digital-->{{partial| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | GeForce 9800 GX2 (NV50 family) | 0x10de | 0x0604 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Partial|VESA }} | <!--3D-->{{no| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Partial| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2009 150w - 65nm technology |- | GeForce 9800 GTX | 0x10de | 0x0612 | 0x0a2 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->2009 2x6pin psu - * not working xfx on via chipset (2015), * works xfx on chipset intel , |- | GeForce 9800 GTX+ | 0x10de | 0x0613 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - max res 2560 x 1920 - case dual slot - 26amp 12v rail on computer psu if 2x6pin connectors needed - 55nm version of the G92 chip - will not work with PCI-e 1.0a slots - * not working * works on a few models |- | Geforce 9800gt (nv50) (G92a) (2008) | 0x10de | 0x0614 | 0x0xa2 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| tunnel 495 gearbox 513 Cube 156 Cube2 120 Quake3 }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{partial| DVI}} | <!--Comments--> OpenGL 3.1 openCL 1.x - case dual slot - 600w 26amp on both 12v rails for 2x6pin psu on gfx card - no fan control - some come with 1x6pin - renamed version of the venerable GeForce 8800 GT - randomly works * not working Gainward 512M untested * working Gainward CardExpert (0x0401) Green Edition NE39800TFHD02-PM8D92 1024MB (no 6pin) |- | Geforce gf9600 9600gt (nv5 ) (G9x) (2008) | 0x10de | 0x0622 | 0x0a1 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| tunnel 493 gearbox 675 Cube Cube2 100 Quake3 }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Yes| DVI}} | <!--Comments--> OpenGL 3.2 openCL but no fan control - case dual slot - 1 6pin pcie psu connector - 500 Watt or greater power supply with a minimum of 26 Amp on the +12 volt rail - Max Analog: 2048x1536 and Max Digital: 2560x1600 (Dual Link DVI Only) - PCI Express® 2.0 / 1.1 Support - g96 gpu randomly works - * not working bfg tech ocx, * works gigabyte gv-n96tsl-512i - |- | Geforce gf9500 9500gt (nv5 ) (G9x) (2008) | 0x10de | 0x0640 | 0x0a1 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| tunnel 480 gearbox 500 Cube Cube2 64 Quake3 }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Yes| DVI}} | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.2 - case single slot - 350 Watt/400 Watt or greater power supply with a minimum of 18 Amp/22 Amp on the +12 volt rail - Max Analog: 2048x1536 and Max Digital: 2560x1600 (Dual Link DVI Only) - PCI Express® 2.0 / 1.1 Support - * not working zotac zone fanless, Gainward USA NE29500THHD01-PM8796, PNY G9500GN2E50X+0TE, * works xfx xne-9500t-td01-pm8596 1024mb ddr2, |- | GeForce 9600 GS | 0x | 0x0623 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - max res - will not work with PCI-e 1.0a slots - * not working * works |- | GeForce 9600 GSO | 0x | 0x0610 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - max res - G92 chopped down - 9600GSO is re-badged 8800GS both very power hungry cards - |- | GeForce 9300 GS | 0x | 0x06E1 | 0x0 | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->2009 opengl 3.x - max res |- | Geforce 9400 GT (nv5 ) (G86S) (2008) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{partial|}} | <!--3D-->{{unk|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk|1x DVI, 1x VGA, 1x S-Video}} | <!--Digital-->{{unk|1x DVI}} | <!--Comments-->2009 50W opengl 3.x - max res |- | Geforce 9xxx (nv5 ) (G9x) (2008) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{unk|}} | <!--3D-->{{unk|}} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk|}} | <!--Digital-->{{unk|}} | <!--Comments-->2009 opengl 3.x - max res |- | <!--Description-->Quadro FX 580 G96 chipset | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2009 |- | <!--Description--> NV84 (G84) GeForce 8600 (GT, GTS, M GT, M GS), 8700M GT, NV92 (G92) GeForce 8800 (GT, GS, GTS 512, M GTS, M GTX) GeForce 9600 GSO, 9800 (GT, GTX, GTX+, GX2, M GT, M GTX) NV96 (G96) GeForce 9400 GT, 9500 (GT, M G), 9600 (M GS, M GT), NV86 (G86) GeForce 8300 GS, 8400 (GS, M G, M GS, M GT), 8500 GT | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->NVA0 (GT200) Tesla GeForce GTX (260, 275, 280, 285, 295) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GTX 280 (NV50 family) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID-->0x05E1 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{no| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> opengl 3.x - max res PureVideo HD 4 (Nvidia Feature Set C or "VDPAU Feature Set C), VP4 added hardware to offload MPEG-4 Advanced Simple Profile (original DivX and Xvid) |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GTX 260 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x05E2 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{partial|Vesa}} | <!--3D-->{{no| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> 2 6pin - psu pci express 2.1 - |- | Geforce GTS250 250GTS (g92b) (2009) | 0x10de | 0x0615 | 0x0a2 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| tunnel 486 gearbox 508-642 Cube Cube2 80 Quake3 }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Yes| DVI}} | <!--Comments--> 2x6pin psu VP2 - pci-e 2.x - case dual slots - 738m 1gb ddr3 - * not working Zotac branded version GDDR3 - * works PNY gs-250x-zdfl and Gigabyte ??, BFG Tech RGTS2501024OCE, palit ne3ts250fhd52-pm8a92 with 2x6pin on top and hdmi output port, |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GT 240 (GT215 family) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x0ca3 | <!--Revision-->0xa2 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|use VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 tunnel gearbox}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->late 2009 openGl 3.2 - case dual slots - no 6pin psu required with VP4 - All are pcie 2.1 cards and may not work in 1.0a slots - * not working * DDR3 with 512MB or 1GB - * DDR5 -Asus ENGT240 - XFX Pine GT240XYHFC 0x3001 - Gigabyte GV-N240D5-512I rev 1.0 - Zotac AMP! with HDMI 1.3a with DisplayPort 1.1, Dual Link DVI - * works |- | <!--Description-->GT220 (GT216) G220 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x0a20 | <!--Revision-->0xa2 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI }} | <!--Comments--> Icaros 2.0.3 GeForce GT220 1GB[[File:GT220 aros heads.png|thumb|GT220]][[File:GT220 aros tails.png|thumb|GT220]] * untested NVIDIA Quadro® 400 512MB DDR3 GT216 DP DVI, AFox AF220 1Gb DDR3, |- | Geforce GT220 220GT G94 Tesla (g92b) | 0x10de | 0x0a20 | 0xa2 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| tunnel 490 gearbox 505 cube 150 cube2 50 Quake3 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk|1x DVI, 1x VGA}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI but not 1x HDMI }} | 58W pci express 2.0 cards DDR3 - case single slot - * not working ASUS ENGT220/DI/1GD2(LP)/V2 - * works - gainward card expert 0x0401 GDDr3 512MB - |- | <!--Description-->GT210 GT 210 210GT G210 based on Tesla 2.0 GT218S GT218-300-A2 variant, GT218-300-B1 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x0a65 | <!--Revision-->0xa2 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk|1x DVI, 1x VGA}} | <!--Digital-->{{Maybe|DVI out works but not hdmi or 1x DisplayPort}} | <!--Comments-->2009 31W OpenGL 3.3 pci-e 2.0 cards - single slot - * working GT218 based Asus EN210 based silent low profile large passively cooled - * untested MSI GeForce 210 1GB DDR3 PCIe N210-MD1GD3H/LP, * not working |- | <!--Description-->Nvidia ION2 9400M class (GT218) Tesla | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2012 |- | <!--Description-->Quadro NVS 295 (256 MB GDDR3), NVS 450 (256M/512 MB DDR3) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{partial|2 or 4 dp ports}} | <!--Comments-->2009 25w low performance - G98s with 8 shading units, 4 texture mapping units, and 4 ROPs on PCI-Express 1.0 x16 - *not working some NVIDIA Quadro NVS 295 2 dp ports (DELL, HP), *working |- | <!--Description-->GT310 Tesla 310, 315, GT 320, GT 330 GT 340 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe|6.11 tunnel gearbox}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->2010 50w OpenGL 3.3 openCL all similar in performance to GT2xx except gt31x (poor) |- | <!--Description-->Quadro NVS310 NVIDIA NVS 310 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> 2 dp | <!--Comments-->2012 25w GF119S (GF119-825-A1) 48 shading units, 8 texture mapping units, and 4 ROPs on PCI-Express 2.0 x16 - 512 MB DDR3 - PureVideo VP5 VDPAU Feature Set D - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description--> GTX 470, GTX 480 GF10 GF10* core (NVC0 family) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| tunnel gearbox}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->2010 215w 2x6 plugs - NVC0 family (Fermi) GF100 (GF100-275-A3) Fermi 448 shading units, 56 texture mapping units, and 40 ROPs with 1,280 MB GDDR5 - up to OpenGL4.5 OpenCL1.1 Tessellation - case dual slots - |- | Geforce GTX460 460GTX (G104) 256bit, 1GB v2 192bit and GTX 465 | 0x10de | 0x0e22 | 0xa1 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| tunnel gearbox cube 055-111 cube2 50}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->NVC0 family (Fermi) up to OpenGL 4.x but - 2x6pin psu - case dual slots - * not working evga 768MB GDDR5 192bit 01G-P3-1373-ER or 01G-P3-1372-TR * works 1GB GDDR5 256bit 01G-P3-1371-ER |- | <!--Description-->Geforce GTX 460SE 192bit | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x0e23 | <!--Revision-->0x91 or 0xa1 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Comments-->2010 - 2 6pin psu needed - case dual slots - * not working * works EVGA 01g-p3-1366-b6 et 1024MB p1041 - |- | Geforce GT450 GTS450 450GTS GF106 | 0x10de | 0x0dc4 | 0x0a1 | <!--2D-->{{Yes| Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| tunnel gearbox cube cube2 50 Quake3 }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI }} | 2010 Hardware up to OpenGL 4.2 but nouveau set at 3.3 - most need 1x 6pin psu - case dual slots - * not working * DDR3 1 or 2GB - Palit NEAS450NHD41F, * GDDR5 512Mb or 1GB - MSI MPN N450GTSM2D1GD5OC, Asus MPN ENGTS450DI1GD5, * works Gainward Card Expert NE5S4500FHd51, |- | <!--Description-->GT 440 GF108 chipset or better OEM GF106 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe| tunnel gearbox}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->2010 up to openGl 4.1 opencl 1.x - no 6 pin psu - 96 cuda cores 128bit - case dual slots - * not working * OEM * GDDR5 512MB to 1GB ASUSTeK ENGT440/DI/1GD5 * GDDR3 Asus 1gb to 2gb, * works |- | <!--Description-->GT430 430GT (GF108) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe|6.11 tunnel gearbox}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments-->2010 ddr3 memory 64bit or 128bit - buggy on Aros 32 but * not working * works |- | <!--Description-->nVidia Quadro FX1800 768MB GDDR3 Full Height Graphics Card Workstation | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{no|6.11 tunnel gearbox}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital-->{{Maybe|DVI-I 2xDP}} | <!--Comments-->59W 768 MB GDDR3 memory using a 192-bit memory interface - OpenGL 3.3 - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->GTX 590 Fermi | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->OpenGL4.4 OpenCL 1.1 - GDDR5 - 6pin and 8pin psu connectors - 512 cuda - case dual slots - * not working * works |- | <!--Description-->GTX 580, | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->PureVideo HD 5" or "VP5" (Nvidia Feature Set D or VDPAU Feature Set D) 4k UHD 3840 × 2160 H.264 decode - |- | <!--Description-->GTX 570, | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{Maybe|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> * not working Zotac GTX 570, Gainward GTX560TI/570 Phantom, * works gigabyte, evga |- | <!--Description-->Geforce 5xx 560gtx Fermi GTX 560, | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->opengl 4.x - 2 6pin psu - 384 cuda cores - case dual slots - will not work with PCI-e 1.0a slots - * not working Asus ENGTX560 DC/2DI/1GD5, * Ti LE 448 cuda GDDR5 320bit * Ti 256bit * works |- | <!--Description-->GTX 560 Ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> * not working evga GTX 560Ti 01GP31560KR - Gainward GTX560TI/570 Phantom, * works |- | <!--Description-->GTX 550 Ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x1201 | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA Doom Doom2 Duke }} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->can hang on boot up on I2C Init or suffer random lockups on OpenGL apps - most need 1 6pin min 400W 24A on the +12V1 / +12V2 dual 12V rails of the computers' power supply unit - 192 cuda cores - case dual slots used - will not work with PCI-e 1.0a slots - * not working eVGA GeForce GTX 550 Ti (1024 MB) (01GP31556KR) - * untested asus Extreme, eVGA GeForce GTX 550 Ti (1024 MB) (01GP31557KR) - - * works |- | <!--Description-->GT 545 and OEM GF116 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->openGL 4.2 opencl 1.x - GDDR5 with OEM only - |- | <!--Description-->GT530 OEM | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->96 cuda cores - 1GB or 2GB DDR3 128bit |- | <!--Description-->GT520 520GT | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->untested 48 cuda cores - DDR3 64bit |- | <!--Description-->510, GT 530 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D 6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> ddr 3 - 50w max - |- | <!--Description-->GT610 Fermi GF119 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No|6.11 }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NVS 315 300 GF119S | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{No|VESA}} needs special dms-59 cable | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2013 fermi 315 PNY VCNVS315-T 1Gb DDR3 but needs special dms-59 cable - |- | <!--Description-->GT630 GF108 Fermi | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->not accelerated 2015 - like the GT730 below - 96 cuda cores whilst kepler version has 384 - 128bit to keplers' 64bit bandwidth - kepler has 2GB DDR3 * not working Gigabyte * DDR3 * GDDR5 * works |- | <!--Description-->Geforce GT 730 (two versions) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe| use VESA 6.11 Pixel Text}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> fermi version has 96 cuda cores 128bit GF108 * not working Asus * works |- | <!--Description-->nVIDIA Quadro 4000 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} 2 dp ports | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->142W 2Gb GDDR5 - PCI Express 2.0 x16 ; full Height card with 1x 6-Pin PCIe power need - CUDA Cores 256 - OpenGL 4.5 |- | <!--Description-->nVIDIA Quadro 5000 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2011 200W 2.5Gb GDDR5 320 bit - PCI Express 2.0 x16 full Height card with 2x 6-Pin PCIe power need - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GTX Titan GeForce GTX Titan Black GeForce GTX Titan Z | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->NVE0 family (Kepler) GeForce 600 GeForce 700 GeForce GTX Titan Kepler |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GTX 780 GeForce GTX 780 Ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->PureVideo HD 6" or "VP6" (Nvidia Feature Set E or VDPAU Feature Set E) significantly improved performance when decoding H.264 and MPEG-2 |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GTX 770 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->opengl 4.4 opencl 1.1 |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GTX 760 GeForce GTX 760 Ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GT 740 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->GeForce GT 730 Kepler (two versions) f | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> kepler 384 cores 64bit GK208 |- | <!--Description-->680gtx GK104 core gtx680 680m | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->NVE0 family (Kepler) |- | <!--Description-->GTX 690 Kepler NVE0 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->pci-e 3.0, OpenGL 4.4 OpenCL 1.1 |- | <!--Description-->GTX 670 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->GTX 660 GTX 660 Ti GK104 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2012 up to OpenGL 4.5 |- | <!--Description-->GTX 650 GTX 650 Ti GTX 650 Ti Boost | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2012 NVE0 family (Kepler) most need 1 6pin psu * not working asus ENGTX560 DC/2DI/1GD5 * works |- | <!--Description-->Geforce GT 640 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2012 * 128bit DDR3 * 192bit DDR3 1.5 to 3GB 50W * 128bit GDDR5 75W |- | <!--Description-->GT 620 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2012 up to OpenGL 4.5 |- | <!--Description-->Quadro K2000 NVE7 (GK107) Kepler | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2013 - 50w single slot pcie 2.0 - like 740gs - |- | <!--Description-->NVIDIA® Quadro® K4200 GK104 Kepler | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2014 4Gb GDDR5 - 108W 1 6pin - |- | <!--Description-->NVIDIA® Quadro® K420 1GB DDR3 Kepler | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2014 41W - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->GeForce 750ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2015 [https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/FeatureMatrix.html NV110] Maxwell - |- | <!--Description-->Nvidia GTX 750 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x1381 | <!--Revision-->0xa2 | <!--2D-->{{yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{yes| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{yes|vga on 64bit test }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk|not dp }} | <!--Comments-->2014 and tested in 2026 with latest nouveau test |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Quadro K2200 (GM107) Maxwell | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2014 - 68w single slot pcie 2.0 - |- | <!--Description-->Quadro K620 Maxwell | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2014 50w slim low profile 2gb ddr3 - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NV12B (GM20B) Tegra X1 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{no| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2015 GM206 2nd gen maxwell PureVideo HD 7" or "VP7" (Nvidia Feature Set F or VDPAU Feature Set F) adds full hardware-decode of H.265 HEVC Version 1 (Main and Main 10 profiles and full fixed function VP9 (video codec) hardware decoding |- | <!--Description-->NV124 (GM204) GeForce GTX 980 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x13c0 | <!--Revision-->0x | <!--2D-->{{yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{yes| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NV124 (GM204) GeForce GTX 970 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID-->0x13c2 | <!--Revision-->0xa1 | <!--2D-->{{yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{yes| }} | <!--Digital-->{{no| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NV126 (GM206) GeForce GTX 960 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NV126 (GM206) GeForce GTX 950 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{yes| }} | <!--3D-->{{yes| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{yes| }} | <!--Digital-->{{yes| }} | <!--Comments-->2016 |- | <!--Description-->NV120 (GM200) GeForce GTX Titan X | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->NV132 (GP102) NVIDIA Titan (X, Xp), GeForce GTX 1080 Ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 probably little support |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 probably little support |- | <!--Description-->NV134 (GP104) GeForce GTX 1080 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 probably little support |- | <!--Description-->NV134 (GP104) GeForce GTX 1070 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 probably little support - 2 6pin psu ports - |- | <!--Description-->NV136 (GP106) GeForce GTX 1060 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 probably little support up to OpenGL 4.6 |- | <!--Description-->quadro p620 2gb gddr5 128bit and quadro p1000 4gb gt1030 30w | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 50w slim low profile - |- | <!--Description-->GeForce gtx 1060 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->NV130 Pascal |- | <!--Description-->NV137 (GP107) GeForce GTX (1050, 1050 Ti) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 probably little support |- | <!--Description-->NV138 (GP108) GeForce GT 1030 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2017 probably little support |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->NV130 family (Pascal) |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->NV162 (TU102) NVIDIA Titan RTX, GeForce RTX 2080 Ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2018 needs gsp firmware and latest nouveau version |- | <!--Description-->NV164 (TU104) GeForce RTX (2070 Super, 2080, 2080 Super) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2019 NV160 family (Turing) unified gsp-rm firmware - best starting point for Vulkan support |- | <!--Description-->NV166 (TU106) GeForce RTX (2060, 2060 Super, 2070) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2019 |- | <!--Description-->NV168 (TU116) GeForce GTX (1650 Super, 1660, 1660 Ti, 1660 Super) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2018 |- | <!--Description-->NV167 (TU117) GeForce GTX 1650 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2019 |- | <!--Description-->gtx 1650ti super | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2018 old style |- | <!--Description-->Quadro RTX 4000 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2019 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->NV172 (GA102) GeForce RTX (3080, 3090) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No| }} | <!--Comments-->2020 av1 decoding ampere |- | <!--Description-->NV174 (GA104) GeForce RTX (3060 Ti, 3070, 3080 Mobile) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2020 NV170 family (Ampere) |- | <!--Description-->NV176 (GA106) GeForce RTX (3050, 3060) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2021 |- | <!--Description-->NV177 (GA107) GeForce RTX 3050 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->NV192 (AD102) GeForce RTX 4090 ada | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2022 |- | <!--Description-->NV193 (AD103) GeForce RTX 4080 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->NV190 family (Ada Lovelace) |- | <!--Description-->NV194 (AD104) GeForce RTX (4070, 4070 Ti) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NV196 (AD106) GeForce RTX 4060 Ti | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->NV197 (AD107) GeForce RTX 4060 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description-->Geforce RTX 5090 blackwell GB202 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Quadro RTX Pro 4000 Blackwell | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments-->2024 70w - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Comments |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10de | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{unk| }} | <!--3D-->{{unk| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{unk| }} | <!--Digital-->{{unk| }} | <!--Comments--> |} ==== nouveau mobile integrated ==== If you purchased a 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font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->rtx 2050 mobile | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2022 ampere architecture best starting point for vulkan support |- | <!--Description-->rtx 2060 mobile | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Rev | 2D | 3D | Analog Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->rtx 4060 mobile | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====radeon.hidd==== Michel Shultz ''2D'' graphics driver (standard on most distributions but only for very old GPUs) and bearsofts updated 2013 around Icaros 1.3.1 3D is not implemented by AROS yet but could cover these AMD chipsets <pre> 2014 SI AMD HD 7xxx 2016 GCN3rd AMD R5E R7E 2019 GCN5th AMD Vega 8 2022 RDNA1 AMD RX5500 desktop only 2023 RDNA2 AMD 680M 780M 2024 RDNA3 AMD 880M 890M 2025 RDNA3.5 AMD 8060S strix halo and AI 2027 RDNA4 AMD </pre> {| class="wikitable" ! Description ! Vendor ID ! Product ID ! Revision ! 2D ! 3D ! Analogue Output ! Digital Output ! Laptop LCD ! Comments |- | 7000 (r100) | 0x1002 | 0x5159 | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Maybe|vga15 pin connection but not s-video}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 1.3 |- | 7500 (rv200 but still r100 based) | 0x1002 | 0x5157 | 0x | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Yes|vga15}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 1.3 |- | 8000 8500 (r200) | 0x1002 | 0x514c (8500LE) | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 1.4 |- | 9000 9100 9250 (r200) | 0x1002 | 0x5964 (9000) 0x514d (9100) | 0x0001 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue-->{{Maybe|VGA15 but not s-video}} | <!--Digital-->{{Yes|DVI}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 1.4 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | 9600 9800 (r300) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 2.1 |- | x300 x600 (r300) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 2.1 |- | x700, x800 ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_R600 r420]) | 0x | 0x554d (R430 x800xl) | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|new driver}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 2.1 - x800 XL PCIE (problem with mouse-pointer, some part of the pointer is not transparent) |- | x1300 x1550 x1600 x1800 x1900 x1950 ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_R520 r520]) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Yes|new driver}} | <!--3D-->{{no}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 2.1 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | HD2400 HD2600 HD2900 ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_R600 r600]) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|some features with new driver}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> openGL 3.3 open CL 1.2 TeraScale architecture |- | HD3400 HD3600 HD3800 (r600) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|some features with new driver}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->pci-e 2.0, openGL 3.3 |- | HD4300 HD4500 HD4600 HD4700 HD4800 ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_R600 r700]) | 0x1002 | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|but some later cards need 3D engine for faster and more flexible 2D now}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 3.3 - DDR3 - GDDR5 was one of AMD's aces for the 4800 series - 4670 liked - |- | HD6900 cayman series | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|some features with new driver}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> openGL 3.3 open CL not mature (2014) - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | HD5400 Series HD5430 HD5450 HD5470 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{No|needs 3D engine for accelerated 2D now}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2010 openGL 3.3 openCL - GDDR3 - |- | HD5500 Series HD5550 HD5570 HD5600 Series HD5650 HD5670 HD5700 Series HD5750 HD5770 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{No|needs 3D engine for accelerated 2D now}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->openGL 3.3 openCL - GDDR5 |- | HD 5800 Series HD5850 HD5870 HD5900 Series HD5950 HD5970 - HD6xxx not NI chipset ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evergreen_(GPU_family) r800 evergreen]) | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{No|needs 3D engine for accelerated 2D now}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2009 openGL 3.3 openCL - DDR5 pci-e 2.1 best avoided for all pci-e 1.0 mobos - Ati TeraScale2 architecture - |- | HD6450 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Islands_(GPU_family) Northern Islands chipset] | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{No|needs 3D engine for accelerated 2D now}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> - DDR3 - |- | HD6600 Series HD6650 HD6570 HD6600 Series HD6650 HD6670 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{No|needs 3D engine for accelerated 2D now}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2011 - DDR5 - Radeon HD 8470 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 8350 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 7510 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6550D 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6530D 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6410D 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6370D 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6320 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6310 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6290 11 TeraScale 2 Radeon HD 6250 11 TeraScale 2 |- | HD6800 Series HD6850 HD6870 HD6700 Series HD6790 to HD6990 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{No|needs 3D engine for accelerated 2D now}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2011 - DDR5 - AMD TeraScale3 - |- | <!--Description-->HD7450-HD7670 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2012 OpenGL but not Vulkan Radeon HD 7660D 11 TeraScale 3 Radeon HD 7560D 11 TeraScale 3 Radeon HD 7540D 11 TeraScale 3 Radeon HD 7480D 11 TeraScale 3 Radeon HD 6930 11 TeraScale 3 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->HD7750 HD 7770 / R7 250X HD7850 HD7870 / R9 270X HD 7950 / R9 280 HD 7970 / R9 280X [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Islands_(GPU_family) Southern Islands] *AMD Radeon R7 250XE Cape Verde XT *AMD Radeon R7 M465X Cape Verde *AMD Radeon R9 255 Cape Verde PRX *AMD Radeon HD 7750 Cape Verde PRO *AMD Radeon R7 250E Cape Verde PRO *AMD Radeon HD 8740 Cape Verde PRO *AMD Radeon HD 7730 Cape Verde LE | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2012 pci-e 3.0 1st Gen GCN architecture - |- | <!--Description-->R5 430, FirePro W2100, | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2015 50W+ openGL openCL 1/3 speed of gtx750ti 1st gen gcn1 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->HD7790 [ Sea Islands ] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2013 openGL 4.1 open CL - GCN2.0 Vulkan 1.0 introduced a Shader Engine (SE) comprising one geometry processor, up to 44 CUs (Hawaii chip), rasterizers, ROPs, and L1 cache and Graphics Command Processor for faster audio/video - suits Vulkan 1.1 |- | <!--Description-->r5 240 240x (slow) R7 250 250x (faster) HD 7790 / R7 260 260X / R7 360 to R5 350 (fast) and last one R5 430 OEM Plus (slow again) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2013 50W+ GCN 1st gen - openGL 4.x openCL 1.x Vulkan 1.0 |- | <!--Description-->R9 290 / R9 390 R9 290X / R9 390X | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2014 GCN 1.1 2nd Gen architecture - openGL 4.x openCL 1.x Vulkan 1.1 - |- | <!--Description-->R9 Fury Nano | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2015 GCN 1.2 3rd Gen - openGL openCL vulkan |- | <!--Description-->r-200 series r8 275 285 295 375 [Volcanic Islands] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2015 GCN1.2 - openGL 4.x openCL 1.x Vulkan 1.2 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2015 [https://gpuopen.com/download/AMD_GCN3_Instruction_Set_Architecture_rev1.1.pdf GCN3] |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->Radeon™ RX 5700/5600/5500 Series | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2022 GCN 4 - OpenGL 4, Vulkan 1.3 - |- | <!--Description-->Radeon™ RX 400/500 Series like rx vega 580 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Radeon™ Pro WX 9100, x200 Series and Radeon™ Pro W5700/W5500 Series | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->Radeon™ RX 7900/7600 Series | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Radeon™ RX 6900/6800/6700/6600/6500 Series | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |} ==== amd radeon mobile integrated ==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="5%" | Description ! width="5%" | Vendor ID ! width="5%" | Product ID ! width="2%" | Rev ! width="5%" | 2D ! width="5%" | 3D ! width="5%" | Analog Output ! width="5%" | Digital Output ! width="5%" | Laptop LCD ! width=40%" | Comments |- | <!--Description-->ATI RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M] | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1002 | <!--Product ID-->0x5a62 0x5955 0x5974 (200m) | <!--Revision-->0x00 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon 7500 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1002 | <!--Product ID-->0x4c57 (7500) | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon 9000 | 0x1002 | 0x4966 (9000) | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon 9500 9550 (rv360) 9600 (rv350) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon 9800 (rv420) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon X300 (RV370) X600 (RV380) | 0x1002 | 0x (RV370) 0x5657 (RV380) | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon X700 (RV410) X800 (RV423) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon X1200 (RS69M0) | 0x1002 | 0x791f | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->X1200 IGP (RS690) |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon X1300 X1350 X1400(rv515) X1600 (rv530) X1650 (RV535) X1800 (rv520) x1900 (rv570) | 0x1002 | 0x71c7 (X1650) | 0x009e | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon 2100 | 0x1002 | 0x796e (2100) | 0x0 | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No|}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon HD 2400 (rv610) HD2600 (rv630) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon HD 3100 HD3200 HD3450 3470 (RS780MC RV620) 3670 (M86-XT RV635) HD3870 (M88-LXT RV670) | 0x1002 | 0x9610 and 0x9612 (HD3200) 0x9614 (HD3300) | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon HD 4200 4250 (RV620) | 0x1002 | 0x (HD4200) 0x9715 (HD4250) | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon HD 4330 4530 4550 (M92 RV710) 4650 (M96-XT RV730) 4670 RV730XT 4830 (M97 RV740) 4850 (M98 RV770) | 0x1002 | 0x (HD4350) 0x9442 (RV770) 0x9490 (HD4670) | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->untested |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon HD 530v (M92 RV710) HD 550v (M96 RV730) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->no support yet |- | <!--Description-->Mobility Radeon HD 5430 HD5650 (cedar Park LP) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->no support yet |- | <!--Description-->Radeon HD 6250 6290 6310 6320 6350M (Redwood Capilano PRO) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No}} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{No}} | <!--Comments-->no support yet |- | <!--Description-->AMD 7640G, 8450G, 8550G, 8650G Northern Islands | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2013 Last real support for old graphics standard before Vulkan takeover |- | <!--Description-->R5 M230 M240 M255 - R7 M260 M265 (Kaveri Crystal series with Mantle and HSA) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->2015 Maybe better with Vulkan |- | <!--Description-->R5E R7E | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->2016 bristol ridge GCN 3.0 IGP (Carrizo Mobile) |- | <!--Description-->AMD Vega 3, 6, 8, 11 iGP | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2018 raven ridge GCN 5th Gen |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->5500m 5600m 5800m | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->RDNA1 NaviX1 Zen 2 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->rx680m | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->RDNA2 NaviX2 Zen 3 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->phoenix apu 1103 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2022 RDNA3 NaviX3 zen 4 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ==== AMDGPU Vulkan desktop ==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="5%" | Description ! width="5%" | Vendor ID ! width="5%" | Product ID ! width="2%" | Rev ! width="5%" | 2D ! width="5%" | 3D ! width="5%" | Analog Output ! width="5%" | Digital Output ! width="5%" | Laptop LCD ! width=40%" | Comments |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description-->Kaveri 290 290X, 260 260X | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->2015 AMDGPU Vulkan |- | <!--Description-->R9 285 / R9 380 R9 380X Fury / Fury X | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--3D-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue-->{{No| }} | <!--Digital-->{{No|nothing}} | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments-->opengl 4 opencl 1 3rd Gen GCN architecture |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD-->{{N/A}} | <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | 2D | 3D | 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Revision | 2D | 3D | Analogue Output | Digital Output | Laptop LCD | Comments |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--2D--> | <!--3D--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} fyi if a notebooks with two graphic cards, the integrated Intel card (id 0x7d) for low power usage and a discrete Radeon card (id 0x56) which should be used for GPU-intensive applications. By default the Intel card is always used [https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ATI Gallium Radeon HD] is not ported yet but is [https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.9-AMDGPU-Stats really big] and complex so another solution may have to be [https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/the-graphics-acceleration-can-of-worms/10515/5 found] like [https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/vulkan-lavapipe-software-rendering-is-working-on-haiku/11363/10 vulkan] where support starts from very recent ISA GCN islands HD7000s cards only *Vulkan *Gallium Vulkan software renderer allows to prepares the infrastructure for hardware rendering. Primary difference between software and hardware renderer is output to regular RAM vs GPU RAM, the rest is almost the same. It is possible to render to GPU RAM offscreen. bare bones basics data flow application,>>> api/opengl/vulkan>>>>, jit compiler, >>>>memory manger, >>>>gpu hardware so you need to have a compiler that takes your api call/program/shaders/drawing commands and turns them into a program the gpu can render. the vulkan to amd gpu compiler for shaders and textures is nearly os agnostic iirc as long as you have solid posix compliance Unlike OpenGL, Vulkan does not depend on windowing system and it have driver add-on system with standardized API (Mesa also have OpenGL driver add-ons, but it have non-standard Mesa-specific API). OpenGL may need more work for windowing system related code at this point but developing Vulkan on real hardware is more strategic than developing OpenGL, since now Zink 3 running on Vulkan compensates for the lack of OpenGL support by giving performance similar to native accelerated OpenGL RadeonGfx use client-server model with client-server thread pairs. For each client thread that calls 3D acceleration API, server side thread is created. If client thread terminates, server side thread also exit. ==Rough gfx comparison== <pre> Group 1 GeForce RTX 5090 5070 5060 5050 GeForce RTX 4090 4070 4060 4050 Group 2 Radeon 6700 XT GeForce RTX 2080 Super Radeon RX 6700 GeForce RTX 2070 Super Radeon 5700 XT GeForce RTX 2070 Radeon RX 7600 Quadro RTX 5000 Radeon PRO W6600 GeForce RTX 2060 12GB Radeon PRO W7500 Quadro GP100 Radeon RX 6800S GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU GeForce GTX 1080 GeForce RTX 3060 8GB Quadro RTX 4000 Radeon Pro W5700 Radeon RX 6600 GeForce RTX 2080 (Mobile) GeForce RTX 2060 Super Radeon RX 7700S Radeon RX 6700S Radeon RX 6600S Quadro RTX 5000 (Mobile) GeForce GTX 1070 Ti GeForce RTX 4050 Laptop GPU Radeon Pro Vega 64X Radeon RX 5700 Radeon RX Vega 64 GeForce RTX 2060 GeForce RTX 2070 Super with Max-Q Design Group 3 Radeon RX 6600M GeForce GTX 1070 Radeon RX 6650M GeForce RTX 3060 Laptop GPU Radeon RX Vega 56 Radeon RX 6700M GeForce RTX 2080 with Max-Q Design Radeon RX 6800M GeForce GTX 980 Ti Radeon R9 Fury GeForce GTX 980 Quadro M5500 Radeon R9 390X Radeon RX 580 Radeon RX 5500 Radeon RX 6550M GeForce GTX 1660 Ti with Max-Q Design GeForce GTX 780 Ti GeForce GTX 970 Radeon R9 290X Radeon RX 480 Radeon RX 5600M Quadro RTX 3000 with Max-Q Design Radeon R9 290X / 390X Ryzen 5 4600HS with Radeon Graphics Radeon R9 290 Radeon Pro 5500 XT Radeon R9 M490 * GeForce GTX 780 Radeon RX 6500M Quadro M5500 GeForce GTX 1060 with Max-Q Design Radeon RX 6500 Radeon RX 5300 Intel Arc A770M GeForce GTX 1650 Ti Radeon Pro 580X Radeon RX 6400 GeForce RTX 2050 Ryzen 9 4900HS with Radeon Graphics Radeon Ryzen 9 6900HS GeForce GTX 980M Quadro M5000M Radeon RX 6300 GeForce GTX 1650 Ti with Max-Q Design Radeon Pro 570 Ryzen 9 6900HS with Radeon Graphics GeForce GTX 1050 Ti Quadro M4000M Radeon R9 280X 380X GeForce GTX 1650 with Max-Q Design GeForce MX570 Radeon R9 280X Radeon R9 380 Radeon 780M GeForce GTX 960 GeForce GTX 970M Quadro M4000M * GeForce GTX 680 Group 4 Radeon RX 6500M Quadro M5500 Radeon Pro WX 7100 GeForce GTX 1060 with Max-Q Design GeForce GTX 1650 Intel Arc A730M Radeon HD 7970 Radeon R9 M395X Radeon R9 M485X Radeon R9 M480 * Radeon R9 M295X Radeon R9 M390X * FirePro W7170M * Radeon R9 M395 Radeon R7 370 Radeon RX 5500M GeForce GTX 590 GeForce GTX 880M GeForce GTX 950 Radeon R9 270X GeForce GTX 660 Ti GeForce GTX 760 GeForce GTX 780M Quadro K5100M GeForce GTX 680MX Radeon HD 7870 GeForce GTX 965M Quadro M3000M * GeForce GTX 870M Radeon R9 M290X Radeon HD 8970M Radeon Ryzen 7 7735U (680M), Radeon Ryzen 7 7735HS (680M 12C) GeForce GTX 580 Radeon HD 6970 GeForce GTX 1050 GeForce GTX 680M GeForce GTX 775M GeForce GTX 1630 FirePro M6100 Radeon HD 7970M Radeon R9 M390 * GeForce GTX 750 Ti Group 5 GeForce GTX 570 GeForce GTX 480 GeForce GTX 960M Quadro M2000M * Quadro K5000M Quadro K4100M GeForce GTX 770M GeForce GTX 860M GeForce GTX 675MX GeForce GTX 950M GeForce GTX 850M Quadro M1000M Radeon R9 M280X Radeon HD 7950M * GeForce GTX 560 Ti Radeon HD 6870 GeForce GTX 470 GeForce GT 1030 GeForce MX330 Ryzen 5 PRO 5650GE with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 7 5800HS FirePro 3D V8800 GeForce MX250 Group 6 Radeon Pro WX 3200 Ryzen 7 PRO 5750G with Radeon Graphics Radeon Ryzen 5 5600H Ryzen 5 Pro 4650G with Radeon Graphics Radeon Ryzen 7 5800U Ryzen 7 7730U with Radeon Graphics Radeon Ryzen 7 5825U Radeon Pro WX 4150 Radeon Ryzen 5 PRO 4655G Ryzen 5 4600G with Radeon Graphics Radeon Ryzen 5 PRO 4655GE GeForce GTX 485M FirePro W6150M Ryzen 7 5800U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 5 7530U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 7 4800U with Radeon Graphics Radeon R9 M470 Ryzen 3 PRO 5350G with Radeon Graphics Radeon RX Vega Ryzen 3 5300U Ryzen 7 5825U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 5 PRO 4400G with Radeon Graphics Radeon Ryzen 7 PRO 4750GE Radeon Ryzen 7 4800U FirePro V7900 Radeon HD 5970 Radeon Ryzen 7 7700X 8-Core Radeon Ryzen 5 PRO 5650G Radeon Ryzen 5 4400G Radeon Ryzen 5 PRO 5650GE Radeon RX 550X FirePro V8800 Radeon RX Vega Ryzen 5 5500U GeForce MX150 Quadro K3100M Ryzen 7 PRO 5850U with Radeon Graphics Radeon HD 6970M Radeon R7 250X Intel HD 5600 Ryzen 3 4300GE with Radeon Graphics GeForce GTX 460 Ryzen 7 5700U with Radeon Graphics Radeon Ryzen 5 7530U Quadro K620 Ryzen 3 PRO 5350GE with Radeon Graphics Intel Iris Pro P580 Intel UHD Graphics P630 Ryzen 5 4600H with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 5 PRO 7530U with Radeon Graphics Radeon HD 5870 Radeon HD 6870 Ryzen 7 4700G with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 5 5600U with Radeon Graphics Radeon HD 7770 Ryzen 3 Pro 4350G with Radeon Graphics Radeon Ryzen 5 5625U GeForce GTX 745 Radeon Ryzen 7 4850U Mobile Radeon Ryzen 3 PRO 7330U Quadro M600M Radeon Ryzen 5 5500U Ryzen 5 5560U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 7 4800H with Radeon Graphics Group 7 GeForce 945M Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE with Radeon Graphics FirePro M5100 Radeon Ryzen 5 5600U Radeon Ryzen 5 PRO 4500U GeForce GTX 580M Ryzen 7 PRO 5875U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 3 5300GE with Radeon Graphics Radeon R9 M385 Quadro 5000MGK106S Radeon Ryzen 7 4700U Ryzen 5 PRO 5650U with Radeon Graphics Radeon Ryzen 7 PRO 4750U Ryzen 7 4700U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 7 PRO 4750U with Radeon Graphics FirePro V7800 Radeon R9 350 Ryzen 3 4300G with Radeon Graphics Radeon Vega 11 Ryzen 5 PRO 3350G Radeon Ryzen 5 5560U GeForce GTX 460 SE Radeon Pro W5500M Radeon Vega 11 Ryzen 5 PRO 3400G Ryzen 5 5500U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 5 PRO 4500U with Radeon Graphics GeForce GT 645 GeForce GTX 765M Radeon R9 M385X Ryzen 5 5625U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 3 PRO 7330U with Radeon Graphics Radeon HD 5850 Radeon Vega 11 Ryzen 5 PRO 2400G Intel Iris Pro 580 Radeon HD 6850 Intel Iris Xe MAX Radeon Ryzen 7 PRO 5875U Radeon Ryzen 5 7600 6-Core GeForce GTX 470M Ryzen 3 5300G with Radeon Graphics GeForce GTX 670MX Radeon RX 640 Qualcomm Adreno Gen 3 Radeon R7 450 GeForce GTX 675M Radeon Pro WX 4130 Intel Iris Xe MAX 100 Quadro 5000 Radeon RX 570X Radeon HD 7700-serie Ryzen 5 4600U with Radeon Graphics Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE with Radeon Graphics Radeon Vega 8 Group 8 GeForce MX230 GeForce GTX 765M Quadro K4000M Iris Pro Graphics 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Graphics FirePro W5130M * Radeon Vega 8 Ryzen 5 3500U Radeon HD 7850M Radeon HD 8790M FirePro W4170M FirePro W4190M FirePro W4100 Radeon Vega 6 Ryzen 3 3300U Quadro 4000M GeForce GTX 470M GeForce GTX 480M GeForce GT 750M Iris Pro Graphics 6200 Quadro K1100M GeForce 940M Radeon R9 M375 GeForce 930MX * Radeon R7 M380 * Radeon R7 M370 Quadro M600M * GeForce GT 650M Quadro K620M GeForce 840M Radeon R7 M275DX GeForce GT 745M Radeon HD 7770M GeForce GTX 560M Radeon R7 Iris Pro Graphics 5200 GeForce GT 740M GeForce 930M Radeon HD 4850 Group 10 Iris Graphics 550 * GeForce 830M Iris Graphics 540 Quadro M500M * Quadro K2000M GeForce GTS 450 GeForce GTX 260M SLI GeForce GT 735M Mobility Radeon HD 5870 GeForce 825M Quadro 5000M FirePro M4000 FirePro M7820 Radeon HD 6870M GeForce 9800M GTX SLI Radeon HD 8830M * Radeon HD 8770M Radeon R7 M260X GeForce GTX 460M GeForce 920MX * GeForce GT 730M Radeon HD 7750M GeForce GT 645M * FirePro M4100 Radeon HD 8750M Radeon R6 A10-9600P 4C+6G Quadro 3000M Radeon 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They are what handles the gory details of talking to the GPU itself (writing to proper registers, handling its memory directly, configuring outputs, and so on). Unfortunately most of what they're exposing can be only consumed by a single user of that GPU, which is why we need... DRM and DRI (Direct Rendering Manager/Infrastructure) controls access to the GPUs, provides interfaces for talking to the GPU concurrently by multiple apps at once (without them breaking each other) and lets the system perform the most basic tasks like setting proper resolution and such if no userspace apps understand how to talk to the GPU exposed. DRI and DRM expose the GPU interfaces mostly as-is, not in a "vendor-neutral" portable way - if you don't have an application developed specifically for a GPU you have, it won't work. "let's create a vendor-neutral interface for graphics so that apps can ignore the GPU-specific bits and get right to the drawing!" - which is what OpenGL is. User-space drivers implement the OpenGL specification and expose it as an OpenGL library to apps (like games, browsers, etc) instead of the GPU. Mesa is the most popular collection of open-source user-space drivers and contains a few user-space drivers for different GPU families: '''radeonsi''' for most modern AMD GPUs (and '''r600g''', r300g and others for older ones), '''i915/i965''' for old/new Intel GPUs and '''nouveau''' for Nvidia GPUs. There's also Gallium, which is a bunch of utilities and common code shared among these drivers - if certain things can be done once and work everywhere, they'll land in Gallium and benefit all the drivers. Most Mesa drivers use Gallium (radeonsi, nouveau, software renderers), some don't (intel after gma950). Displaying 2D windows supports device-specific 2D drivers as well, but nowadays most of these are no longer needed as the modesetting can handle most hardware on its own. As the DRM/DRI got some additional interfaces for what used to be hardware-specific (setting resolutions, refresh rates, etc) and software requiring accelerated 2D drawing was optimized OpenGL-based renderers, dedicated 2D acceleration is slowly going away. Since around 2012, the 3D part of the graphics card deals with 2D operations. Modern GPUs can also decode video!? There's VDPAU (NVIDIA & AMD GPUs) and VA-API (AMD & Intel GPUs) that can also talk to the GPU exposed via DRM/DRI and issue proper commands to decode/encode a given video stream. Those drivers are GPU-specific too. So let's say you have some example GPUs, here's how example stacks could look like: * AMD Radeon HD8750: amdgpu -> DRM/DRI -> Mesa (radeonsi) * AMD Radeon HD4850: radeon kernel driver -> DRM/DRI -> Mesa (r600g) -> games/apps/etc. * NVIDIA GeForce 460: nouveau kernel driver -> DRM/DRI -> Mesa (nouveau) -> games/apps. * Intel GMA950: i915 kernel driver -> DRM/DRI -> Mesa (i945) -> games/apps. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="15%" | Description ! width="15%" | Analog Output ! width="15%" | Digital Output ! width="15%" | Laptop LCD ! width=30%" | Comments |- | <!--Description-->Fudomi GC888A | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->1080p 100in throw projector |- | <!--Description-->Vamvo VF320 (720P) | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->720p 90in |- | <!--Description-->Happrun H1 | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->1080p 90in |- | <!--Description-->Umbolite Magcubic HIPPUS HY320 Mini | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->720p 100in |- | <!--Description-->Zentality A10 Plus | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments-->720p 110in |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->nexigo nova mini | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->nebula mars 3 | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->epson lifestudio flex plus portable projector | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->dangbei freedo | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description-->benq gv50 | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Analogue--> | <!--Digital--> | <!--Laptop LCD--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} Unless your computer uses a Firewire chipset manufactured by Texas Instruments, FireWire interfaces are likely to act buggy. AROS is unlikely to ever support FireWire. Bluetooth is similarly unlikely to be ever supported due to huge cost to be certified. No, x86 PCMCIA card.resource at the moment. Writing card.resource would be a similar amount of work to writing a typical driver. However, it might be complicated by having to support a variety of PCMCIA-controller chipsets like TI PCI1225, PCI1410, PCI1420, 1450, PCIxx12 and O2, etc. m68k card.resource does not really have many higher level functions, most functions are really simple or poke Gayle registers directly. only exception is CopyTuple(). Amiga card.resource has one significant flaw: it's single-unit. would need card.resource and pccard.library. There was talk in the past of designing a new API for PCMCIA because card.resource only supports one slot, but since most modern laptops only have one slot anyway, I think it might be worthwhile to implement card.resource as-is (at least as a first step). pccard.library would be trivial to port. So, a new API is needed. h9078ukhcgioe8xnf124vczc751lnga 0 98385 4654201 4469354 2026-07-12T14:00:16Z Kaltenmeyer 715252 a > an 4654201 wikitext text/x-wiki {{honor_header|2|1937|Health and Science|General Conference}} ==1. Define the following terms == ===a. Elements === A class of substances that cannot be separated into simpler substances by chemical means, all these basic substance elements are first reformed, altered and extruded by stars. Like for instance Iron. ===b. Compounds === A uniform substance composed of two or more elements. For example steel (that defines many different similar compounds of iron and primarily carbon), is also defined as an alloy (metallic compound material). ===c. Chemical symbols === Every element is represented using an abbreviation of one or two characters that represent the name of the element. The first character is always capitalized, and the second character if it exists is always lower case. :H represents hydrogen :He represents helium :Li represents lithium :C represents Carbon Some of the symbols do not represent the modern name, but an original name. :Ag represents argentum (''Latin'') or silver :Au represents aurum (''Latin'') or gold :W represents wolfram (''German'') or tungsten There are 94 elements that are found naturally on earth, and there are another 17 that have been created in atomic accelerators, and have very short half lives. A further 7 elements have been reported but they are still in the confirming/naming stage. All of these elements are organized using a "Periodic Table of Elements" which was created by Dimitri Mendeleev. ===d. Solutions === A mixture of two or more substances that do not react chemically. If you dissolve sugar, salt, or another substance in water, you are creating a solution. ===e. Atoms === Atoms are basic building blocks of matter. Atoms range in size from .5Å to 24Å. ( Å is the symbol for a unit of measure known as an angstrom. A blond hair is between 170,000 and 500,000Å in diameter and a black hair is between 560,000 and 1,810,000Å in diameter) Atoms are mostly empty space, but because the electrons are moving so rapidly, the matter we touch can feel very solid. Hydrogen is the simplest atom, it is made of one proton and one electron. A classical model of an atom is to think about the electron orbiting the central proton. If we created a model of this atom with the proton the size of a basketball, then the electron would be the size of a grain of salt and will be orbiting at a distance of 40,000 feet. We cannot directly see atoms with a regular microscope. Light has a wavelength of between 4,000Å and 7,000Å which is about 1000 times the diameter of an atom. Because the wavelength of light is so long it has almost no interaction with the atom. The center of an Atom can be "viewed" and the positions of the electron cloud around an atom can be determined by using an X-ray, (neutron, or electron) beam (which have much smaller wavelengths than light) in such techniques as [[w:X-ray crystallography|X-ray crystallography]], [[w:Neutron crystallography|Neutron crystallography]], or [[w:Electron crystallography|Electron crystallography]]. Or a [[w:Scanning tunneling microscope|scanning tunneling microscope]] can be used. ===f. Molecules === Two or more atoms that have bonded to each other. ===g. Periodic Table=== The periodic table of the chemical elements is a tabular method of displaying the chemical elements. The table illustrates recurring ("periodic") trends in the properties of the elements. {{Small Periodic table}} ===h. Combustion === We often use the word combustion to describe the chemical process of a fuel combining rapidly with a oxidizer (usually oxygen)i.e. burning. This process usually is associated with flames, light, heat, and smoke. === i. Acid=== The word acid is from the Latin word ''acidus'' which means sour. In the early days of chemistry, it was a common practice to taste or smell things and record the sensation. Many things that are acidic are sour. Lemon juice is sour because of the citric acid in it. Because many substances can be toxic, this probably killed a number of chemists including the famous scientist, Humphry Davy, the man who came up with the theory that explained the nature of an acid. Davy's hypothesis was that acids were substances that contained replaceable hydrogen. This hydrogen could be replaced by metals and this reaction would leave behind a salt. :2HCl + Zn → ZnCl<sub>2</sub> + H<sub>2</sub> :Fe + H<sub>2</sub>SO<sub>4</sub> → H<sub>2</sub> + FeSO<sub>4</sub> ===j. Salt=== A salt is a term for the solid form of an ionic compound, such as Sodium Chloride (Na<sup>+</sup>Cl<sup>-</sup>) or potassium hydroxide (K<sup>+</sup>(OH)<sup>-</sup>). ===k. Proton=== A positively charged particle that is a part of the nucleus of an atom. Protons have a mass of <math>1.67 \times 10^{-27}</math> kg. One cubic centimeter of water contains <math>6.02 \times 10^{24}</math>protons that form the nucleus of the atoms of hydrogen and oxygen. Hydrogen has one proton at its center and oxygen has 8 protons. ===l. Neutron === A neutrally charged particle that is a part of the nucleus of an atom. Neutron's have a mass of <math>1.67 \times 10^{-27}</math> kg. When we look at water we find that it is made up of Hydrogen and Oxygen. Hydrogen has no neutrons, but each atom of oxygen has 8 neutrons. Neutrons are held together by what is called the "Weak Force". Free [[W:Neutron decay|neutrons decay]] with a half life of about 10.3 minutes into a proton, electron and an electron nutrino. In the neucleus of an atom, the neutrons can be quite stable because of another force known as the "Strong Force" ===m. Electron=== A negatively charged particle with a mass of <math>9.11 \times 10^{-31}</math> kg. Electrons form a cloud about the positively charged nucleus of an atom. ===n. Distillation === Distillation, which is heating the liquid to boiling and collecting the condensed vapors, is a useful technique to separate components based on different boiling points. Distillation separates two volatile liquids where the more volatile component is more pure. The farther apart the boiling temperatures, the more likely that the distillation will be successful. The lower the boiling point, the more volatile the compound is and therefore the faster it will vaporize. Success also depends on the interactions between particles, since two dissimilar liquids that are dissolved in each other are likely to form '''azeotropes'''. If this occurs, the liquid and gas phase will both have the same composition and therefore boiling will not cause further separation. ===o. Fractional Distillation=== [[File:Fractional distillation lab apparatus.svg|thumb|350px|Fractional distillation aparatus]] Fractional distillation is a technique in which several distillations occur in the same column, mediated by some sort of porous medium. It allows the separation of substances with closer boiling points than simple distillation, and also makes the distillation of the same solutions more efficient. Fractional distillation yields better separation in comparison to simple distillation due to few factors. One is that the distillation column is usually packed with copper, stool wire or glass beads. This increases the surface area, which enables efficient and continuous vaporization and condensation by exchanging heat between the vapor and the condensate. {{clear}} ===p. Filtration === Filtration is a technique in which a solid precipitate (or solid waste) is separated from a liquid. The mixture is placed on filter paper, which allows the liquid to pass through, leaving the solid behind. Typically the liquid is first brought to a temperature such that there is little solid dissolved in the liquid, so that separation is most effective. This filtration can be done using only gravity or suction can be used. ==2. What gases extinguish life, and how? Explain the principle of one kind of chemical fire extinguisher.== In the extreme, almost any gas can kill a person. Even pure oxygen can kill because the body cannot deal effectively with pure oxygen. The gases can kill by: :1) Suffocation- The gas displaces oxygen and the body now starved of oxygen dies. Some of the most dangerous suffocants are oxidation compounds such as <math>CO_2</math> or CO :2) Poison- There are gases such as Cyanide gas HCN which are highly poisonous. Cyanide binds to the iron atoms in the enzyme known as cytochrome c oxidase and thus blocks the production of ATP. ATP is the universal energy currency of all living organisms. :3) Explosion- Many gases are quite flammable and can explode quite destructively. Most of the light Hydrocarbons in mines can be set off with only a small spark. Fire, like life, requires oxygen, so a common method used in fire extinguishers is to use a gas or liquid that will keep the oxygen from getting to the fuel. Try using this "door foldable" to teach this honor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymk6Di-WUM8 ==3. Name two common sources of carbon monoxide. Why is it dangerous? == Automobile exhaust before the catalytic converter contains large amounts of CO (Carbon Monoxide). If the exhaust system is damaged before this point, then there is a danger of breathing the suffocating gas. The catalytic converter converts most of the CO to <math>CO_2</math> (Carbon Dioxide) There may still be enough CO in automobile exhaust to be fatal, but since most is now <math>CO_2</math> which has an odor or at least sensation, there is less chance of accidental asphyxiation.( <math>CO_2</math> can be fatal as well, but is quite caustic, creating a burning sensation in the nose and lungs. If you have ever breathed the bubbles from a Soda Pop can, you have smelled <math>CO_2</math>.) Another common source of CO is natural gas or propane stoves, heaters, hot water heaters, or clothes dryers. If these appliances become damaged they can be quite dangerous. It is a good idea to have a CO detector near an old furnace or water heater to provide an early warning. Oxygen is carried to the cells from the lungs by red blood cells and CO<sub>2</sub> is carried back to the lungs to be breathed out. Red blood cells have a 3-D space that fits oxygen and CO<sub>2</sub> but allows them to be ejected when they reach their destination. CO can also fit the space but won't let go, so a red blood cell that has CO loaded is no longer available to do its job. If enough red blood cells are affected, the body cells cannot get the oxygen they need and waste CO<sub>2</sub> builds up, leading to death. Try using this "door foldable" to teach this honor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymk6Di-WUM8 ==4. What are the states of matter? == ;[[W:Solids|Solid]] :The atoms are in a fairly rigid structure that at the macroscopic level feels hard or solid. The atoms may be arranged in a very rigid crystaline structure, but there is still vibration within the structure. ;[[w:Liquid|Liquid]] :The atoms are free to move around, but do not separate like a gas. Liquids can flow and in general do not feel solid or rigid. Liquids are not compressible. When helium is cooled close to absolute zero, it behaves oddly, turning into a superfluid. It is dangerous to handle because of its temperature. ;[[w:Gas|Gas]] :The molecules of a gas are completely free to move around and at standard room temperature they move tens of meters before hitting another molecule. A gas is airy. You will not necessarily know that it is there unless you move through it and feel the wind. ;[[w:Plasma|Plasma]] :The molecules of a plasma are ionized, which causes them to repel each other, so a plasma can appear to flow almost like a liquid, and it glows as some of the molecules change ionization states. The states of matter are largely defined based on the level of interaction between the molecules and atoms that form the matter. This interaction is temperature (and pressure) dependent, and there are well defined freezing (liquid to solid) points, melting(solid to liquid) points, boiling (liquid to gas) points, condensation( gas to liquid) points, for each element or molecule at a particular air pressure(i.e. normal sea level pressure). ''This is why water boils at a lower temperature on a mountain which has less air pressure than at sea level. This can effect the efficiency of sterilizing water by boiling and a longer time is needed.'' ''CO<sub>2</sub> is an unusual gas as in its solid form it doesn't melt but goes straight to a gas (sublimate). This is why frozen CO<sub>2</sub> is known as Dry Ice as it does not go through a liquid form so is not 'wet'.'' Try using this "door foldable" to teach this honor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymk6Di-WUM8 ==5. Do five of the following, and explain the chemical action that takes place == ===a. Try to light a sugar cube, first without and then with some ash applied to the cube, thus showing the action of a catalyst. === ;Materials: *Sugar Cubes *Ash from fireplace or campfire *Matches or lighter *Aluminum foil *Piece of wood or trivet to act as insulator ;Method *Lay a piece of aluminum over the trivet or a piece of wood. *Place the sugar cube near the center of the foil. *Take another sugar cube and coat it with ash. *Place the ash-coated sugar cube next to the first sugar cube, but do not let them touch. *Try to light each sugar cube. It should be easier to light the ash-coated sugar cube. ===b. Place an ice cube in a glass of water, place a four-inch (10.2 cm) string on top of the glass and ice, then solve the problem of taking the ice cube out of the water without touching it. === ;Materials *Ice *Salt *Water *Glass *String 10&nbsp;cm long ;Method *Put the ice cube in the glass *Tie a loop on the string and place it on the cube *Put a pinch of salt on the loop and cube *Wait a while then pull up the string ===c. With the use of water, turpentine, and soap, transfer a newspaper picture to a blank sheet of paper. === ;Materials: * 30 ml soap powder (example: Ivory Snow) * 60 ml hot water * 15 ml turpentine * Small bowl * Measuring cup * Paint brush * Newspaper or old magazine ;Method: * Dissolve soap powder in hot water and then add turpentine. * To use, dip a brush into the ink and brush over the picture to be transferred, wait about ten seconds then place a piece of paper over the picture and rub the back of it with a spoon. The picture will be transferred to the paper. The ink will solidify in its container after a little while. To reverse this simply set the bottle in a pan of warm water until melted and then shake. ===d. With the use of a candle and a piece of cardboard, demonstrate visually the three parts of a candle flame. === [[Image:Kaarsvlam-kl.jpg|thumb|left|200px]] ;1) Blue zone : The blue area is the base of the flame. In this area, '''[[W:Pyrolysis|pyrolysis]]''' takes place (where the candle wax ''changes state'' into the combustible gas). Also, part of ''combustion'' takes place here. The temperature in this area is about 1200-1400&nbsp;°C. ;2) Dark zone : The dark area in the middle of the flame just above the tip. This dark core of the flame is around 800-1000&nbsp;°C. Within these bluer regions, hydrogen is being separated from the fuel and burned to form water vapor. ;3) Luminous zone : The yellow luminous area is above the dark area. This brighter, yellower part of the flame is the remaining carbon being oxidized to form carbon dioxide. The incandescent soot particles causes the orange and yellow glow. This area is approximately 1200&nbsp;°C. ;4) Flame Mantle : this is on the outer rim of the flame, and is colorless, or a very faint blue, and is the hottest part of the candle flame. About 1400&nbsp;°C. ===e. With a bowl of water, wooden match sticks, a lump of sugar, and small amount soap, demonstrate the action of sugar and soap on the floating match sticks. === ;Materials: * Sugar cube * Dish soap * 2 Small bowls * 12 Toothpicks (or wooden match sticks) * Water ;Method: *Fill both bowls water. *Drop half the toothpicks into each bowl *Place the sugar cube in one bowl. The toothpicks should be drawn to it. *Place one drop of dish detergent in the other bowl. The toothpicks should be repelled from it. Sugar absorbs water, and as it does, it creates a small current that draws the toothpicks toward it. The Soap, on the other hand, breaks the surface tension of the water and immediately spreads out over the surface. As it moves across the surface, it too creates a current, carrying the toothpicks along as it goes. ===f. Place a fresh egg in fresh water and then salt water, noting the difference.=== ;Materials * Fresh (uncooked) egg * {{units|1 liter|4 cups}} Water * {{units|120 ml|½ cup}} Salt * 2 Bowls ;Methods *Add the salt and {{units|a half liter|2 cups}} of water to a bowl and stir until the salt dissolves. *Add the other {{units|half liter|2 cups}} of water to the other bowl - do not add any salt. *Place the egg in the salted water. It should float *Move the egg to the unsalted water. It should sink. Salt water is more dense than fresh water, meaning that a volume of salt water will weigh more than an equal volume of fresh water. The density of an egg is between the density of salt water and fresh water. An item will float if it is less dense than the liquid in which it is placed. Since the egg is more dense than fresh water, it sinks. But because the egg is less dense than the salt water, it floats. NOTE: If nothing happens, then get two eggs and place one in the fresh water and the other in the salt water. The fresh water egg should expand and the salt water egg should shrink due to osmosis. ===g. Demonstrate that rust uses up oxygen with the use of steel wool, a pencil, a rubber band, a water glass, and a dish of water. === ;Materials *Steel wool (plain, without soap) *Pencil *Rubber band *Drinking glass (clear glass) *Bowl *Water ;Method Use the rubber band to attach the steel wool to the eraser end of the pencil. The pencil should be short enough that it can fit inside the glass without sticking out the top. Fill the glass halfway with water, and place the pencil in the glass with the wad of steel wool at the bottom. Place a bowl upside-down over the top of the glass, and carefully turn the glass and the bowl over so that the glass is upside-down and the bowl is right-side-up. Add some water to the bowl and mark the water level on the side of the glass. Place the apparatus some place where it will not be disturbed. After a few days, check the steel wool - it should be rusty. As the steel wool rusts, it uses up oxygen trapped in the glass. This reduces the volume of air inside the glass, and the atmospheric pressure outside the glass will compensate by pushing down on the water inside the bowl. This will in turn push the water in the glass higher. Verify by comparing the current water level to the level marked at the beginning of the experiment. ===h. Demonstrate the colors produced when the following are burned: salt, copper sulfate, and boric acid. === * '''Salt''' : Common table salt is ''Sodium Chloride'' [http://jchemed.chem.wisc.edu/jcesoft/cca/cca2/STHTM/FLAME/9.HTM Orange-Yellow] * '''Copper Sulfate''' : Blue-Green <gallery> Image:Flametest--Cu.swn.jpg|Copper Sulfate Image:Flametest-Co-Cu.swn.jpg|Copper Sulfate (through Cobalt glass) Image:Flametest--Na.swn.jpg|Sodium Chloride </gallery> * '''Boric Acid''' : [http://jchemed.chem.wisc.edu/jcesoft/cca/cca2/STHTM/FLAME/1.HTM Bright Green] '''More Colors/Flames''' (because they are colorful) <gallery> Image:Flametest--.swn.jpg|Gas Flame Image:FlammenfärbungSb.png|Antimony, Sb Image:FlammenfärbungAs.jpg|Arsenic, As Image:FlammenfärbungB.png|Boron, B Image:FlammenfärbungCa.png|Calcium, Ca Image:Flametest--Cu.swn.jpg|Copper, Cu Image:FlammenfärbungPb.png|Lead, Pb Image:FlammenfärbungLi.png|Lithium, Li Image:FlammenfärbungK.png|Potassium, K Image:Flametest--Na.swn.jpg|Sodium, Na Image:FlammenfärbungSr.png|Strontium, Sr </gallery> ===i. Make an invisible ink. === ;Materials *Water *Vinegar, Lemon juice, sugar, onion *Small cups *Candle or stove flame *Tooth picks *Paper ;Methods You can mix vinegar, lemon juice, sugar or onion juice with water to create an invisible ink. To make the ink visible, carefully hold it over a heat source. The "ink" will turn colors and become visible. Try mixing a small amount of ink using each type of ingredients to see which works better. ===j. Show that washing soda or sodium carbonate contains water.=== ;Materials *Test tube/tongs *washing soda (baking soda does pretty much exactly the same thing, but the requirements say washing soda) *Candle or stove flame ;Methods Put a small amount of the washing soda into the test tube. Hold the test tube with the tongs over a flame. You will see a tornado-like effect inside the test tube as the water makes its "escape". Very fun for everyone to watch! ==References== [[{{BOOKCATEGORY|Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book}}/Completed Honors|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]] jc0irahvdlvza95z1oo9hjpyw5u5br5 2 106215 4654211 1808238 2026-07-12T18:05:14Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. 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During this processes I realized that 19 Images are missing. I left the respective chapters out of the PDF version. You can find the missing files by opening https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Engineering_Acoustics/Print_version in your web browser and search for the text File: . I am not sure why they were deleted. But possibly they were moved to Wikimedia Commons first and deleted after that. I could try to restore the from the 16 years old PDF version but I lack any authorship information so I think we need to redraw all of them. Furthermore I realized that some of the rest of the images in the wiki book have got a very poor resolution Yours 18:22, 18 June 2026 (UTC) [[User:Dirk Hünniger|Dirk Hünniger]] ([[User talk:Dirk Hünniger|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dirk Hünniger|contribs]]) 18:22, 18 June 2026 (UTC) : {{re|Dirk Hünniger}} All media ([[:File: Acousticplanewave1.gif|A]][[:File: Acousticcontrolsurface.gif|B]][[:File: Acousticcontrolsurface.gif|C]][[:File: Acousticpressure1.gif|D]][[:File: Ra analogs.png|E]][[:File: Acoustic gen.png|F]][[:File: Enclosed Piston.png|G]][[:File: Equ1.jpg|H]][[:File: Equ3.gif|I]][[:File: Equ4.gif|K]][[:File: Comp.gif|L]][[:File: Example2holm1sol.JPG|M]][[:File: Exam2prob.JPG|N]][[:File: Exam2sol.JPG|O]][[:File: 1Dwave graph1.png|P]][[:File: String dwg.jpg|Q]][[:File: Equations1.jpg|R]][[:File: Equations2.jpg|S]]) except [[:File: Inductive law pass filter.jpg|Inductive law pass filter.jpg]] and [[:File: Open-twister.gif|Open-twister.gif]] were once deleted by [[User: Jguk|Jguk]] and [[User: Darklama|Darklame]] because after a grace period they still lacked copyright information. ‑‑[[User:Kai Burghardt|Kai Burghardt]] ([[User talk:Kai Burghardt|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kai Burghardt|contribs]]) 14:51, 10 July 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Kai Burghardt|Kai Burghardt]] ::Do we also need to delete the PDF then? It contains theses images. ::Yours [[User:Dirk Hünniger|Dirk Hünniger]] ([[User talk:Dirk Hünniger|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dirk Hünniger|contribs]]) 07:49, 11 July 2026 (UTC) ::: {{re|Dirk Hünniger}} It depends on the images’ contents, whether they’re copyrightable. ‑‑[[User:Kai Burghardt|Kai Burghardt]] ([[User talk:Kai Burghardt|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kai Burghardt|contribs]]) 08:40, 11 July 2026 (UTC) ::::@[[User:Kai Burghardt|Kai Burghardt]] Well to me the look copyrightable. And further more its just the same images that were deleted from the wiki due to copyright issues [[User:Dirk Hünniger|Dirk Hünniger]] ([[User talk:Dirk Hünniger|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dirk Hünniger|contribs]]) 13:33, 11 July 2026 (UTC) ::::: {{re|Dirk Hünniger}} As far as I understand the issue was a formality. All files must bear license info, regardless whether they’re copyrightable or not. It is quite possible all deleted images don’t meet the threshold of originality, but still were deleted because of this formality. Images like [[:File: Equ1.jpg|File: Equ1.jpg]] ''presumably'' contain ''just'' some rasterized text formula and as such are not copyrightable. I have not had a look at them, so I can’t tell. ‑‑[[User:Kai Burghardt|Kai Burghardt]] ([[User talk:Kai Burghardt|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kai Burghardt|contribs]]) 14:30, 11 July 2026 (UTC) :::::: @[[User:Kai Burghardt|Kai Burghardt]] If its just a formality and the images don't meet the threshold to be copyrightable we could just restore the deleted images from the PDF. But keeping the PDF and not restoring the images surely is a contradiction. Furthermore there are quite a lot of books with the same problem. [[User:Dirk Hünniger|Dirk Hünniger]] ([[User talk:Dirk Hünniger|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dirk Hünniger|contribs]]) 17:25, 11 July 2026 (UTC) == Citing WikiBooks? == Wikipedia has a page for Citing Wikipedia, but I haven't found one here, so I have a few questions: # How would I cite Wikibooks in an essay? # Do I need to cite sources on Wikibooks? If so, how? [[User:BlazeFlames|BlazeFlames]] ([[User talk:BlazeFlames|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/BlazeFlames|contribs]]) 22:48, 18 June 2026 (UTC) :# This should give you a good method: https://www.scribbr.com/citing-sources/how-to-cite-wikipedia/ :# Generally, no. We have [[Wikibooks:Policies and guidelines|no policy that requires or prohibits citing sources]] and we have a [[Help:Editing#References|help page on how to do it]], with a [[Wikibooks:Templates/Sources|number of templates]] to standardize the process. There is definitely value in citing sources, so I don't want to discourage it. :―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 09:10, 19 June 2026 (UTC) :: {{re|BlazeFlames}} As you can see in [[Special: Version#mw-version-ext|Special: Version § Installed Extensions]] this MediaWiki has the [[mw: Special: MyLanguage/Extension: CiteThisPage|CiteThisPage extension]] installed. On the English‑language edition of Wikibooks you can navigate to [[Special: CiteThisPage/Typewriting|Special: CiteThisPage/…]] even though it is not listed in the [[MediaWiki: Sidebar]] (but it’s listed in [[Special: SpecialPages#mw-specialpagesgroup-pagetools|Special: SpecialPages]]). However, on {{abbr|WB|Wikibooks}} I would link via the [[mw: Special: MyLanguage/Help: Page ID|page ID]] rather than the page title; replace <syntaxhighlight lang='text' inline>title=Booktitle</syntaxhighlight> with <syntaxhighlight lang='text' inline>curid=123456</syntaxhighlight>. ‑‑[[User:Kai Burghardt|Kai Burghardt]] ([[User talk:Kai Burghardt|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kai Burghardt|contribs]]) 15:09, 10 July 2026 (UTC) == Unhide the FlaggedRevs comment box? == :''Reposted from [[Wikibooks:Reading room/Archives/2026/April#Is this CSS code necessary?]] as the former link had no participation.'' I propose unhiding the FlaggedRevs comment box (via MediaWiki:Common.css) because it might be useful to add in a comment when reverting with the FlaggedRevs reversion, unlike rollback. It might also be useful in cases to add a comment on what the user edited when accepting a revision. Thoughts? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 21:17, 20 June 2026 (UTC) == RFC about AI-generated content in Wikimedia Commons == <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr"> You are invited to participate in a [[c:Commons:Requests for comment/Policy update for AI content|request for comment on Wikimedia Commons about a policy update for AI content]]. This may affect files that are uploaded to Wikimedia Commons for use on this project. Thank you. [[m:User:Codename Noreste|Codename Noreste]] ([[m:User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]])</bdi> 17:11, 23 June 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Codename Noreste@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=30513860 --> == Deployment of Legal and Safety Contacts Link in the Footer of Your Wiki == <section begin="Message"/> '''Legal & Safety Contacts''' Hello community, the Wikimedia Foundation has provided a [[wmf:Special:MyLanguage/Legal:Wikimedia Foundation Legal and Safety Contact Information|single legal and safety contact page]], to be linked in the footer of your wiki, to ensure access to accurate legal information. This is a regulatory requirement. We have already rolled out links to English, German, Italian, Spanish and other wikis and we will deploy to your wiki soon. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_Legal_and_Safety_Contacts_FAQ|Please read more on the project page]] and leave any comments in this thread or on the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Talk:Wikimedia Foundation Legal and Safety Contacts FAQ|talk page]]. <section end="Message"/> -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 13:30, 25 June 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sannita_(WMF)/Mass_sending_test&oldid=30731267 --> == A question about the user right move-subpages == Even though reviewers have the ability to move 100 pages per minute (per InitialiseSettings.php), they do not have <code>move-subpages</code>, which allows moving a book (with all its subpages) in one single action. Is this user right considered sensitive (hence it is restricted to administrators by default)? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 04:23, 9 July 2026 (UTC) :I'm not 100% sure what the problem is as long as mass moving is limited to admins in the first place, as this can really cause problems (I recently encountered this mass-moving 100 out of c. 260 pages on a wiki). I support filing a ticket at [[:phab:]] to extend [[:mw:Manual:$wgMaximumMovedPages|$wgMaximumMovedPages]] to 1,000. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 05:33, 9 July 2026 (UTC) == Regarding local checkusers == Not to be negative here, but I am not sure what is the point of having local checkusers here, while by [[WB:GRP#Stewards|policy]] we explicitly allow stewards to perform CUs here. An example would be because MarcGarver, while a local CU and is sometimes pinged here, has an intermittent pattern of activity here. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 22:15, 9 July 2026 (UTC) :Could you explain your position a bit more? I don't immediately see the issue with having both local CUs and steward CUs. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 15:24, 12 July 2026 (UTC) qu0xq2ik4fla8e79do6mchl8u3hi1br 4654273 4654205 2026-07-13T03:53:17Z Pine 504037 /* July 2026 Wikimedia Café meetups regarding Wikimedia governance and options for reform */ new section 4654273 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Discussion Rooms}} {{Shortcut|WB:CHAT|WB:RR/G|WB:GENERAL}} {{TOC left|limit=3}} {{User:MiszaBot/config |archive = Wikibooks:Reading room/Archives/%(year)d/%(monthname)s |algo = old(60d) |counter = 1 |minthreadstoarchive = 1 |minthreadsleft = 1 |key = 7a0ac23cf8049e4d9ff70cabb5649d1a }} Welcome to the '''General reading room'''. On this page, Wikibookians are free to talk about the Wikibooks project in general. For proposals for improving Wikibooks, see the [[../Proposals/]] reading room. {{clear}} [[Category:Reading room]] == May 2026 Wikimedia Café meetups regarding the Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan == <div class="border-box" style="background-color: var(--background-color-warning-subtle, #f8eaba); max-width: 875px; padding: 5px; border: 1px solid black; margin: 5px; color: var(--clr-dark)"> <div class="box" style="float:left; padding-top: 15px; padding-right: 15px;">[[File:Wikimedia Café logo in plain SVG format.svg|75px|alt=The logo for the Wikimedia Café]]</div> Hello! There will be two '''[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Caf%C3%A9 Wikimedia Café]''' discussion opportunities during the last weekend of May. Both sessions will focus on the [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2026-2027 the 2026-2027 Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan]. 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Both sessions will focus on the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor_reflections English Wikipedia Editor Reflections project]. The featured guest in the Café will be [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Clovermoss User:Clovermoss]. Participants may attend either or both sessions. #'''27 June 2026 15:00 UTC''' ([https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1782572400 timestamp converter]), at a time friendly to the Americas, Africa, and Europe #'''28 June 2026 03:00 UTC''' ([https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1782615600 timestamp converter]), at a time friendly to Asia and the Pacific Please see the Café page for more information, including [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Caf%C3%A9#How_to_attend_the_session how to register]! <br /> [[File:Buntstifte Eberhard Faber crop 64h.jpg|860px|alt=cropped image of colored pencils]]</div> <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Pine|<span style="color:#01796f; text-shadow:#00BFFF 0 0 1.0em">↠Pine</span>]] [[User talk:Pine|<span style="color:DeepSkyBlue">(<b style="color:#FFDF00;text-shadow:#FFDF00 0 0 1.0em">✉</b>)</span>]]</span> 04:09, 15 June 2026 (UTC) == Images lost in Engineering Acoustics == Hello, I just made an updated PDF version of the wiki book on Engineering Acoustics. During this processes I realized that 19 Images are missing. I left the respective chapters out of the PDF version. You can find the missing files by opening https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Engineering_Acoustics/Print_version in your web browser and search for the text File: . I am not sure why they were deleted. But possibly they were moved to Wikimedia Commons first and deleted after that. I could try to restore the from the 16 years old PDF version but I lack any authorship information so I think we need to redraw all of them. Furthermore I realized that some of the rest of the images in the wiki book have got a very poor resolution Yours 18:22, 18 June 2026 (UTC) [[User:Dirk Hünniger|Dirk Hünniger]] ([[User talk:Dirk Hünniger|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dirk Hünniger|contribs]]) 18:22, 18 June 2026 (UTC) : {{re|Dirk Hünniger}} All media ([[:File: Acousticplanewave1.gif|A]][[:File: Acousticcontrolsurface.gif|B]][[:File: Acousticcontrolsurface.gif|C]][[:File: Acousticpressure1.gif|D]][[:File: Ra analogs.png|E]][[:File: Acoustic gen.png|F]][[:File: Enclosed Piston.png|G]][[:File: Equ1.jpg|H]][[:File: Equ3.gif|I]][[:File: Equ4.gif|K]][[:File: Comp.gif|L]][[:File: Example2holm1sol.JPG|M]][[:File: Exam2prob.JPG|N]][[:File: Exam2sol.JPG|O]][[:File: 1Dwave graph1.png|P]][[:File: String dwg.jpg|Q]][[:File: Equations1.jpg|R]][[:File: Equations2.jpg|S]]) except [[:File: Inductive law pass filter.jpg|Inductive law pass filter.jpg]] and [[:File: Open-twister.gif|Open-twister.gif]] were once deleted by [[User: Jguk|Jguk]] and [[User: Darklama|Darklame]] because after a grace period they still lacked copyright information. ‑‑[[User:Kai Burghardt|Kai Burghardt]] ([[User talk:Kai Burghardt|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kai Burghardt|contribs]]) 14:51, 10 July 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Kai Burghardt|Kai Burghardt]] ::Do we also need to delete the PDF then? It contains theses images. ::Yours [[User:Dirk Hünniger|Dirk Hünniger]] ([[User talk:Dirk Hünniger|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dirk Hünniger|contribs]]) 07:49, 11 July 2026 (UTC) ::: {{re|Dirk Hünniger}} It depends on the images’ contents, whether they’re copyrightable. ‑‑[[User:Kai Burghardt|Kai Burghardt]] ([[User talk:Kai Burghardt|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kai Burghardt|contribs]]) 08:40, 11 July 2026 (UTC) ::::@[[User:Kai Burghardt|Kai Burghardt]] Well to me the look copyrightable. And further more its just the same images that were deleted from the wiki due to copyright issues [[User:Dirk Hünniger|Dirk Hünniger]] ([[User talk:Dirk Hünniger|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dirk Hünniger|contribs]]) 13:33, 11 July 2026 (UTC) ::::: {{re|Dirk Hünniger}} As far as I understand the issue was a formality. All files must bear license info, regardless whether they’re copyrightable or not. It is quite possible all deleted images don’t meet the threshold of originality, but still were deleted because of this formality. Images like [[:File: Equ1.jpg|File: Equ1.jpg]] ''presumably'' contain ''just'' some rasterized text formula and as such are not copyrightable. I have not had a look at them, so I can’t tell. ‑‑[[User:Kai Burghardt|Kai Burghardt]] ([[User talk:Kai Burghardt|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kai Burghardt|contribs]]) 14:30, 11 July 2026 (UTC) :::::: @[[User:Kai Burghardt|Kai Burghardt]] If its just a formality and the images don't meet the threshold to be copyrightable we could just restore the deleted images from the PDF. But keeping the PDF and not restoring the images surely is a contradiction. Furthermore there are quite a lot of books with the same problem. [[User:Dirk Hünniger|Dirk Hünniger]] ([[User talk:Dirk Hünniger|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dirk Hünniger|contribs]]) 17:25, 11 July 2026 (UTC) == Citing WikiBooks? == Wikipedia has a page for Citing Wikipedia, but I haven't found one here, so I have a few questions: # How would I cite Wikibooks in an essay? # Do I need to cite sources on Wikibooks? If so, how? [[User:BlazeFlames|BlazeFlames]] ([[User talk:BlazeFlames|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/BlazeFlames|contribs]]) 22:48, 18 June 2026 (UTC) :# This should give you a good method: https://www.scribbr.com/citing-sources/how-to-cite-wikipedia/ :# Generally, no. We have [[Wikibooks:Policies and guidelines|no policy that requires or prohibits citing sources]] and we have a [[Help:Editing#References|help page on how to do it]], with a [[Wikibooks:Templates/Sources|number of templates]] to standardize the process. There is definitely value in citing sources, so I don't want to discourage it. :―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 09:10, 19 June 2026 (UTC) :: {{re|BlazeFlames}} As you can see in [[Special: Version#mw-version-ext|Special: Version § Installed Extensions]] this MediaWiki has the [[mw: Special: MyLanguage/Extension: CiteThisPage|CiteThisPage extension]] installed. On the English‑language edition of Wikibooks you can navigate to [[Special: CiteThisPage/Typewriting|Special: CiteThisPage/…]] even though it is not listed in the [[MediaWiki: Sidebar]] (but it’s listed in [[Special: SpecialPages#mw-specialpagesgroup-pagetools|Special: SpecialPages]]). However, on {{abbr|WB|Wikibooks}} I would link via the [[mw: Special: MyLanguage/Help: Page ID|page ID]] rather than the page title; replace <syntaxhighlight lang='text' inline>title=Booktitle</syntaxhighlight> with <syntaxhighlight lang='text' inline>curid=123456</syntaxhighlight>. ‑‑[[User:Kai Burghardt|Kai Burghardt]] ([[User talk:Kai Burghardt|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kai Burghardt|contribs]]) 15:09, 10 July 2026 (UTC) == Unhide the FlaggedRevs comment box? == :''Reposted from [[Wikibooks:Reading room/Archives/2026/April#Is this CSS code necessary?]] as the former link had no participation.'' I propose unhiding the FlaggedRevs comment box (via MediaWiki:Common.css) because it might be useful to add in a comment when reverting with the FlaggedRevs reversion, unlike rollback. It might also be useful in cases to add a comment on what the user edited when accepting a revision. Thoughts? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 21:17, 20 June 2026 (UTC) == RFC about AI-generated content in Wikimedia Commons == <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr"> You are invited to participate in a [[c:Commons:Requests for comment/Policy update for AI content|request for comment on Wikimedia Commons about a policy update for AI content]]. This may affect files that are uploaded to Wikimedia Commons for use on this project. Thank you. [[m:User:Codename Noreste|Codename Noreste]] ([[m:User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]])</bdi> 17:11, 23 June 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Codename Noreste@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=30513860 --> == Deployment of Legal and Safety Contacts Link in the Footer of Your Wiki == <section begin="Message"/> '''Legal & Safety Contacts''' Hello community, the Wikimedia Foundation has provided a [[wmf:Special:MyLanguage/Legal:Wikimedia Foundation Legal and Safety Contact Information|single legal and safety contact page]], to be linked in the footer of your wiki, to ensure access to accurate legal information. This is a regulatory requirement. We have already rolled out links to English, German, Italian, Spanish and other wikis and we will deploy to your wiki soon. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_Legal_and_Safety_Contacts_FAQ|Please read more on the project page]] and leave any comments in this thread or on the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Talk:Wikimedia Foundation Legal and Safety Contacts FAQ|talk page]]. <section end="Message"/> -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 13:30, 25 June 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sannita_(WMF)/Mass_sending_test&oldid=30731267 --> == A question about the user right move-subpages == Even though reviewers have the ability to move 100 pages per minute (per InitialiseSettings.php), they do not have <code>move-subpages</code>, which allows moving a book (with all its subpages) in one single action. Is this user right considered sensitive (hence it is restricted to administrators by default)? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 04:23, 9 July 2026 (UTC) :I'm not 100% sure what the problem is as long as mass moving is limited to admins in the first place, as this can really cause problems (I recently encountered this mass-moving 100 out of c. 260 pages on a wiki). I support filing a ticket at [[:phab:]] to extend [[:mw:Manual:$wgMaximumMovedPages|$wgMaximumMovedPages]] to 1,000. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 05:33, 9 July 2026 (UTC) == Regarding local checkusers == Not to be negative here, but I am not sure what is the point of having local checkusers here, while by [[WB:GRP#Stewards|policy]] we explicitly allow stewards to perform CUs here. An example would be because MarcGarver, while a local CU and is sometimes pinged here, has an intermittent pattern of activity here. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 22:15, 9 July 2026 (UTC) :Could you explain your position a bit more? I don't immediately see the issue with having both local CUs and steward CUs. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 15:24, 12 July 2026 (UTC) == July 2026 Wikimedia Café meetups regarding Wikimedia governance and options for reform == <div class="border-box" style="background-color: var(--background-color-warning-subtle, #f8eaba); max-width: 875px; padding: 5px; border: 1px solid black; margin: 5px; color: var(--clr-dark)"> <div class="box" style="float:left; padding-top: 10px; padding-right: 10px; padding-left: 10px; padding-bottom: 10px;">[[File:Wikimedia Café logo in plain SVG format.svg|60px|alt=The logo for the Wikimedia Café]]</div> Hello! There will be two '''[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Caf%C3%A9 Wikimedia Café]''' discussion opportunities in July. Both sessions will focus on Wikimedia governance, including possible follow-ups to the [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Charter Movement Charter] and options for reform. Participants may attend either or both Café sessions. This month, to deconflict the Café meetups from Wikimania, the meetups will be held one day later than usual. #'''26 July 2026 15:00 UTC''' ([https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1785078000 timestamp converter]), at a time friendly to the Americas, Africa, and Europe #'''27 July 2026 03:00 UTC''' ([https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1785121200 timestamp converter]), at a time friendly to Asia and the Pacific Please see the Café page for more information, including [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Caf%C3%A9#How_to_attend_the_session how to register]! <br /> [[File:Buntstifte Eberhard Faber crop 64h.jpg|860px|alt=cropped image of colored pencils]]</div> <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Pine|<span style="color:#01796f; text-shadow:#00BFFF 0 0 1.0em">↠Pine</span>]] [[User talk:Pine|<span style="color:DeepSkyBlue">(<b style="color:#FFDF00;text-shadow:#FFDF00 0 0 1.0em">✉</b>)</span>]]</span> 03:53, 13 July 2026 (UTC) 1hvjiciqzj13dlbo2n4bgcafqfzdqy4 3 112460 4654228 1998786 2026-07-12T18:09:42Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654228 wikitext text/x-wiki {{pp-usertalk}} == Sock Puppets == If you have this question, so must others. I will comment on the discussion page. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] 08:51, 22 February 2007 (UTC) ==Not unblocked== Request denied, this page is protected. The owner of this account may post on his main talk page. --[[User:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[User talk:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:53, 22 February 2007 (UTC) 48ze541z5399f8bj8ffdfmwzb8d2x4q 3 128594 4654240 1001526 2026-07-12T18:11:30Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654240 wikitext text/x-wiki <[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 1|older]] [[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 3|newer]]> {{Talkarchive}} {{-}} == Page merger == I'm sorry about making it seem like the comment about a page merger was directed at you. This is an administrator (aka you need project admin status your account) in order to accomplish a full page merger. If you look at [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=First_Aid/Wilderness_First_Aid&action=history the history page] of the [[First Aid/Wilderness First Aid|Wilderness First Aid]] module, there are some edits going back to 2004, and in fact some information about edits that go back to 2003. This is very nearly right when Wikibooks itself was first started. What we are trying to do here is to preserve the editing information to give proper credit to those who may have contributed, under the terms of the GFDL. It is a messy process to do a page merger, and sometimes other admins need to be reminded about the process. BTW, I just finished the page merger process. If you have any other similar kinds of tasks like this, please feel free to drop a note [[Wikibooks:Administrators' noticeboard|on the Administrators' noticeboard]] to make a request. Admins tend to be users who have been involved with the project for awhile and have a desire to get into some of the mucky little details that is mainly needed to fight vandals who would try to mangle up the content of this website. They are some powerful tools that can really do some damage if left available for new users to apply on pages as experiments, but in some cases prove to be absolutely essential in terms of keeping a project like Wikibooks going. I hope this makes sense, and I would also be willing to go into more details about this if you are interested. BTW, thank you very much for all of the effort that you have put into the First Aid wikibook. This book was originally started on Wikipedia as a How-to guide, and has gone through several groups of interested participants. Still, what you have been doing lately is incredibly useful as it brings some of the content much more up to date, and it is important to note pages like the tick information that may be offering some bad advise. We are all just trying to muddle through this together and make some useful content, and it is especially important to help support those, like yourself, who are making these valuable contributions. Keep up the good work! --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 10:14, 3 July 2007 (UTC) :Just a follow-up to Robert's comments: you've got a great history of contributions, and would certainly recieve the administrators tools if you'd like them. It wouldn't mean any requirement for extra work (unless you had the urge), but looking at your contribs (especially vandal patrolling) you might find them handy to have from time to time. --[[User:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:14, 3 July 2007 (UTC) ::What ''are'' the admin tools? I know you get a delete tab, and something about getting an "undo" button. And blocking users. Anything missing? [[User:Mike.lifeguard|Mike.lifeguard]] 18:13, 3 July 2007 (UTC) :::Basically it - just add in "protect" to stop pages from being edited if subject to vandalism or sensitive project wide templates and the like. Cheers --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 18:37, 3 July 2007 (UTC) ::::Sounds useful. Do you want me to request adminship, or should I wait for someone to nominate me? [[User:Mike.lifeguard|Mike.lifeguard]] 18:41, 3 July 2007 (UTC) :::But that's not all! You also get the handy-dandy Import button so you can copy Wikipedia articles (and their histories) into Wikibooks. Now how much would you pay? --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 18:46, 3 July 2007 (UTC) ::::Actually that's ''really'' useful. I definitely C&P-ed content from WP the other day, so there's no edit history. I gave credit to WikiProject First Aid contributors, but the edit histories would be better (obviously). I'm assuming that I could re-do it properly, keeping the histories, with this tool? -[[User:Mike.lifeguard|Mike.lifeguard]] 18:49, 3 July 2007 (UTC) :::::Yep, exactly. You can also import what you copied earlier and then do the fancy history-merge thing. Consider yourself nominated... brb with a link. --[[User:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:53, 3 July 2007 (UTC) :::::And [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Requests_for_adminship#Mike.lifeguard.C2.A0.28_talk.C2.A0.7C.C2.A0_email.C2.A0.7C.C2.A0_contribs.C2.A0.7C.C2.A0logs.29 here's the link]... please accept the nom so we can all vote for you :). --[[User:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:00, 3 July 2007 (UTC) == Signature == I noticed you created a Mike.lifeguard signature template and just wanted to let you know that you don't need to create a template to have a custom signature like what other people use. # Click the "my preferences" link. # Make sure the checkbox is marked for "Raw signatures (without automatic link)" # Add whatever wikitext you want to the nickname textbox. # Click the save button Then from now on whenever you insert <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> on a page the username part of your signature will be replaced with whatever text you inserted into the nickname textbox. For example you can add "[[User:Mike.lifeguard|Mike.lifeguard]] | [[User Talk:Mike.lifeguard|Talk]]" to the nickname textbox if you want that to replace your username. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 15:05, 4 July 2007 (UTC) :Thanks - I was using the template mostly to experiment - to figure out what I wanted to put there. -[[User:Mike.lifeguard|Mike.lifeguard]] 17:05, 4 July 2007 (UTC) :I think I like the new one! '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|Mike.lifeguard]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|talk]]</sup> 02:16, 5 July 2007 (UTC) :Just so you know, there is [[Wikibooks:Sandbox]] and [[Template:Template sandbox]] for that, for future tests you might want to do. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 02:41, 5 July 2007 (UTC) ::Yeah, sorry. I started off thinking I needed a template. Then I figured it out. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|Mike.lifeguard]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|talk]]</sup> 02:54, 5 July 2007 (UTC) == Good Work! == Hello Mike.lifeguard, how are you doing? Your RFA nomination is going well, and hopefully we will be able to promote you by the end of this week or early next week. I've been watching your work on the RC feed the last few days, and you're really doing a good job with everything. One piece of advice that I try to give to all new admins (and all admin candidates) is not to over-do it. You don't want to go full throttle and burn yourself out! Just remember, especially during the times when you feel like there is just so much ''work'' to do here, that you came to Wikibooks to relax and have some fun (and maybe write some books), and that this is supposed to be a hobby and not a job. Anyway, you are doing a great job, and I hope you can continue to be a great contributor for a long time. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 23:19, 5 July 2007 (UTC) :Thanks. I'm at work right now with nothing to do, so... this actually saves me from burnout at my real job. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|Mike.lifeguard]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|talk]]</sup> 23:21, 5 July 2007 (UTC) == Thanks == Thanks for inviting me ML, truth is I have an account, give you 3 guesses who it is :). [[User:76.200.210.183|76.200.210.183]] 00:26, 7 July 2007 (UTC) == Closing VfD == HI Mike - no biggie but when you close a VfD could you sign it. You'll find the templates for closing at the top of the VfD page - cheers --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 06:59, 11 July 2007 (UTC) == Additional diagnostics == It's something i teach to my first aid teams, because it's simple to learn and goes a long way to helping the ambulance crew on arrival. Might be more first responder based, so no problem with putting it in advanced skills. Also gives the first aiders something to do while they are waiting for the ambulance... [[User:Owain.davies|Owain.davies]] 17:10, 4 July 2007 (UTC) :The head-to-toe part of a secondary takes a while when done properly, and the stuff you added is really just advanced things to look for during a head-to-toe. So advanced, that I moved it to [[First Aid/Extended Assessment]]. Which I'm going to add some additional spinal-injury assessment stuff to. Seeing as you're a paramedic(?) you should proof that once I get it up. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|Mike.lifeguard]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|talk]]</sup> 02:33, 5 July 2007 (UTC) ::Thanks for the promotion! just a tech i'm afraid! Seems like a good place for it. On another note, have you looked at my talk comments on [[Talk:First Aid/Emergency First Aid & Initial Action Steps]]? On other things that need to be there, i think we need sections on * Mechanism of injury (leads in to dealing with all trauma cases) * First aid kit contents Regards, [[User:Owain.davies|Owain.davies]] 06:06, 5 July 2007 (UTC) :::Those 2 things sound good, but I still think the chapter should be re-organized as I described [[Talk:First Aid/Emergency First Aid & Initial Action Steps#Proposal|here]]. They should definitely be integrated somewhere. MOI should go in '''A'''rea, and First Aid Kit Contents should probably be an [[First Aid/Appendices|Appendix]]. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|Mike.lifeguard]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|talk]]</sup> 21:08, 5 July 2007 (UTC) == B for breathing == I've been back and checked, and the protocols i added there are definitely correct. The two rescue breaths were dropped in the last revision, as there is no clinical requirement for them - once cardio-respiratory arrest had taken place, the gases are stuck where they are (because no respiration can take place whilst there is no blood or pulmonary movement! - i.e. the blood is still full of oxygen until circulation and breathing start again.) Rescue breaths are only appropriate for trauma and paeds. In children, they are more likely to enter respiratory arrest only, making the use of breaths first to stimulate them to breathe on their own appropriate. For trauma, due to the mechanism, the gases are likely to be used up as the body struggles to keep going. For this reason, the number was upped to five. As for the hand on the chest, i find that to be the most reliable of the indicators for breathing when in a stressful situation. On that basis, i have reverted back to my edits (although fixed the spelling!) [[User:Owain.davies|Owain.davies]] 17:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC) ::Your rationale may or may not be legitimate, but is totally irrelevant. Resuscitation is not defined by either of us. As I noted on your talk page, [http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/vol112/22_suppl/ ILCOR] [http://lifesavingsociety.com/PDF/98CPR-Insert-Lifeliner2006.pdf LSS] and [http://www.americanheart.org/downloadable/heart/1132621842912Winter2005.pdf AHA] disagree with the protocols you've put here. I need to see a citation - ''then we can think about including it''. <s>I've reverted to a previous edit; please don't add these protocols again without a good citation and discussion with other editors.</s> I will do this shortly, but I have to run for a few minutes. ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:14, 11 July 2007 (UTC) ::'''Done''' ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:20, 11 July 2007 (UTC) ::This section was copied to [[Talk:First Aid/B for Breathing#B for Breathing]]; further comments should be placed there instead of here. ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:35, 11 July 2007 (UTC) == C for compressions == I have also changed back the section on obstructed airway victims. I've added the part about visible obstructions to this section, but the protocol for anyone not breathing is CPR, regardless of cause. You should try adjusting airway, and in the highly unlikely event something is in the mouth, then remove it. Experience suggests that its never in the mouth! Furthermore, the section in Obstructed Airway which says that if its not the tongue, its a foreign object is just incorrect. It can be other medical causes! [[User:Owain.davies|Owain.davies]] 17:19, 11 July 2007 (UTC) :There is a difference between CPR and procedures for unconscious obstructed airway. Please don't make significant changes like this ''before'' discussion. Keep in mind that we're writing a book for lay rescuers - the medical causes you cite are irrelevant to lay rescuers. Again, personal experience is irrelevant - it may inform tips and tricks, but it doesn't change protocols. There is no finger sweep/foreign body check after readjusting the airway - rescuers should go straight to compressions after a 2nd failed attempt at ventilation, as was covered in the obstructed airway section you reverted. If you're working from standards that are different from ILCOR's, then we need to thoroughly discuss such changes before they're made. If we're working from the same set of procedures, then they need to be reflected accurately. ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:26, 11 July 2007 (UTC) :This section was copied to [[Talk:First Aid/C for Compressions#C for Compressions]]; further comments should be made there instead of here. ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:36, 11 July 2007 (UTC) == Admin == You are now an admin, congratulations. In general it's not that big of a deal, so if you need any help or any explanations, you are welcome to ask. As a word of caution, if you have any doubts at all about using a particular tool in a particular situation, ask for help or agreement first. When it comes to user blocks or page deletions, it's always better to be safe then to be sorry. Congratulations again, good luck! --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 17:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC) :Thanks! I'll definitely be asking for advice on blocks and protection if the issues arise. As for deletions, can I delete my own speedies instead of tagging them? ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:11, 12 July 2007 (UTC) ::Yes, if you are certain that a page is worth deleting then you can delete it. Typically, I will delete garbage or nonsense (spam, vandalism, newbie tests) without asking anybody. If I find a case that is border-line, I will tag it for speedy, and see if another admin agrees with me, or I will nominate it for VfD. As an admin, things are really left up to your best judgement, and so long as you act with a certain amount of caution in mind you should do fine. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 20:43, 12 July 2007 (UTC) == Airway as vitals == I think you may have missed the point. The airway check is not just about being open, the key thing at vitals stage (assuming that the airway is open) is the noises it is making (striddor, wheeze etc.) and whilst the FA might not know what is causing a problem, they can certainly describe the airway noise. Maybe i'll make that clearer in the article. [[User:Owain.davies|Owain.davies]] 21:01, 13 July 2007 (UTC) :No - all of that is part of Airway in the ABCs. Certainly expand that section to include all that detail. It takes a bit of explaining in writing, but in practice checking all that kind of stuff is about 1 or 2 seconds. ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:32, 13 July 2007 (UTC) ::Exactly, by keeping it in vitals, when it takes one or two seconds to do (or more likely is just observed by being near the <s>patient</s>, <s>casualty</s>, victim) it forms a good reminder for the first aider, and maintains the 'ABC' flow of the vital checks - making it easier to remember, which is, after all, the point. Sound good? [[User:Owain.davies|Owain.davies]] 08:16, 14 July 2007 (UTC) :::I'm not sure I understand you. ABCs are separate from vitals. For instance, the breathing check in ABCs doesn't include breathing rate or quality, but the vital sign does. Circulation doesn't exist in the ABCs anymore, but does in vitals. Likewise, Airway is an ABC, not a vital sign. Again, putting airway as '''A''' in ABCs puts it at a higher priority than putting it in the vital signs would. Feel free to leave it there, but it's an unnecessary step ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 12:39, 14 July 2007 (UTC) == Obstructed airway == Quote direct from ILCOR Part 2: Adult Basic Life Support "Unconscious victims should receive CPR. The finger sweep should be used in the unconscious patient with an obstructed airway only if solid material is visible in the airway" I think what is written now is ok, but still possibly over emphasises the importance if the finger sweep. What is certainly not recommended is your hideously complicated set of procedures, which i find it hard to believe anyone would remember :Their wording uses "CPR" as a term equivalent to "chest compressions" - which is correct. Any foreign obstruction that can be seen and removed with the fingers should be... removed with the fingers. That step comes directly after trying to remove the obstruction (compressions). I fail to see how that's over-emphasized. Granted the text I had in [[First Aid/Obstructed Airway]] was overly cumbersome, but that doesn't make it wrong. It was copied and pasted from my own work from my original first aid instructor course, and is not my most lucid writing. Instead of deleting stuff like that, improve it. Integrating unconscious procedures into CPR is fine, but this whole dispute over what standards actually ''are'' goes right to the heart of "be bold, but discuss major changes first". Please try not to make unilateral changes to the text without prior discussion. ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 12:44, 14 July 2007 (UTC) == D for defibrillation == As for D for defibrillation, they do advocate further training, but they also clearly give ABCD with the D as defibrillation : See [http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/112/22_suppl/III-1 Part I: Introduction] of the ILCOR protocol, under "The Universal Algorithm". Even the title suggests that they are trying to get this adopted by everyone. As we are following ILCOR so far as possible, there really is no option but to use this variant! [[User:Owain.davies|Owain.davies]] 08:19, 14 July 2007 (UTC) :Keep in mind that the universal algorithm includes defib only out of necessity. You'll only get to D if you have an AED and specific advanced training. (Whether that should be the case is another matter - I think that AED training is totally unneeded. AEDs are designed to be idiot-proof - that's the whole point of them! But alas, my opinion doesn't count for much, does it?) So really, I'd prefer to see the text stay with ''getting an AED and AED-trained responder'' in '''A''' for Ambulance (which doesn't exist yet), and ''using an AED'' in [[First Aid/Advanced Topics]]. Yes ILCOR would like defib for everyone, but I'm sure you'll notice that hasn't happened yet. When it does, I'll be more than happy to implement those changes and let you make corresponding changes to this book. Until then, we'll have to maintain the divide between rescuers trained in CPR and those trained in AED; those trained in First Aid and those trained in Oxygen Admninstration... :Do you have any thoughts about re-organizing the BLS chapter as I described [[Talk:First Aid/Emergency First Aid & Initial Action Steps#Proposal|here]]? ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 12:51, 14 July 2007 (UTC) == Re:Image Deletions == We had been trying to do that image cleanup thing for a while using a deletion bot that we borrowed from an admin on commons. The process got stalled because several community members wanted the job to be done more "cleanly" then the bot was doing it. The bot was simply deleting the images, not removing the image tags from the books, nor alerting the talk pages, etc. With that short history in mind, if you feel that the images are worthy of being deleted, and that there is not alternative solution to the problem besides deletion, then you are welcome to it. If you decide to delete these images, you have my full support. The book may be hurt by it, but in the end the whole wikibooks project will be better without all the potential copyvios. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 23:18, 15 July 2007 (UTC) :So for each image, what needs to be done? #Delete the image #Delete all links to it #Put a note on the uploader's talk page? (but if it's just Barsathi's images that I'm deleting (for now), then a single "they've all been deleted" should be enough, right?) #??? :''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:29, 15 July 2007 (UTC) == ILCOR protocols == You obviously haven't followed the link i gave you - ILCOR clearly state that the protocol should ABCD with D for defibrillation. They also state that Defibrillation is both a BLS and ALS skill. They also state that ambulance comes after airway. You are the one so keen on sticking exactly to ILCOR. Read the link! [[User:Owain.davies|Owain.davies]] 16:51, 16 July 2007 (UTC) :Reply is [[Talk:First Aid/Emergency First Aid & Initial Action Steps#AAA vs GO DR SHAVPU|here]] ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:51, 16 July 2007 (UTC) == Re:Barsathi's Images == If you really want to get into this project, I would recommend that you delete the images, but not any of the image links to those images. This way, future readers and authors will know that images are supposed to be there, and maybe somebody else will upload replacements. Just leave a single message on the talk page saying "they've all been deleted". --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 13:55, 17 July 2007 (UTC) :{{Done}} I also changed the "Warning: your images will get deleted" thing at the top of [[Diagnostic Radiology]] to "They've been deleted and here's why the redlinks are there" ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:47, 17 July 2007 (UTC) ==Firefighter04== I'm on my way to becoming a firefighter. I am a first responder right now. I will try to contribute more to the medical textbooks to the best of my ability. [[User:Firefighter04|Firefighter04]] 17:52, 23 July 2007 (UTC) :Sorry about changing the title of the [[First Aid]] textbook. Just thought that most of those chapters fit the curriculum of a first responder. [[User:Firefighter04|Firefighter04]] 16:59, 9 August 2007 (UTC) == Closed template == Hi Mike - in a sense it was created for me! I was using markup to actually close VfDs (they had a habit of being re-opened!). History lesson over - I've not had a problem with it. IIRC the template takes the form of <nowiki>{{subst:Closed|1=some reason maybe and conclusion --~~~~}}</nowiki>. Personally I've always coloured something like the "closed" word in either red or green depending on the decision to make it stand out. Hope this helps but get back to me otherwise - regards --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 07:28, 10 August 2007 (UTC) == vfd == Hey Mike thanks for adding all those VfD tags, I wanted to do the same thing but I guess I was daunted by the large number of them O_o. Hope your summer has gone well! [[User:Mattb112885|Mattb112885]] <small> ([[User talk:Mattb112885|talk to me]]) </small> 03:10, 25 August 2007 (UTC) == Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book == Hi Mike, Thanks for the update to the first aid sections of the [[Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book]]. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 14:23, 29 August 2007 (UTC) == Protected == Hey mike, in response to the vandalism today, I've temporarily protected your userpage against being edited by anons. I'll remove the protection when the storm is over, or else you can do it whenever you want. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 16:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC) :Thanks. Yeah, I did the same for [[User Talk:Urbane]] ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:00, 31 August 2007 (UTC) ::Thanks mike. It's appreciated. [[User:Urbane|<span style="color:black"><b>Urbane</b></span>]] [[User talk:Urbane|<span style="color:green"><small>(Talk)</small></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Urbane|<span style="color:green"><small>(Contributions)</small></span>]] 17:04, 31 August 2007 (UTC) :Brion VIBBER is one of the lead MediaWiki developers, and is one of the few employees of the WMF. We can say that he is definitely a "good guy". --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 17:08, 31 August 2007 (UTC) :: *facepalm* There you have it. ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:10, 31 August 2007 (UTC) == re: Please Use Subst == Hi mike, I saw your message and was a little confused, i was sure that i had been using the subst: command. I subsequently tried it again several times, (inserting <nowiki>{{subst:nld}}</nowiki> into [[:Image:5percent-bar.png]]) but it would not subst. I then tried using the no license template, which worked fine. Perhaps the nld template is broken, or perhaps there is a conflict with my browser. Does the nld template when you try to use it? [[User:Urbane|<span style="color:black"><b>Urbane</b></span>]] [[User talk:Urbane|<span style="color:green"><small>(Talk)</small></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Urbane|<span style="color:green"><small>(Contributions)</small></span>]] 13:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC) :Both templates seem to subst: fine for me. Here's one instance: [[User:Mike.lifeguard/Sandbox]] and I tried it on [[:Image:5percent-bar.png]], which worked fine. Same goes to substituting {{tlx|no license}}. I'm not sure how your browser could be affecting it though. <nowiki>{{subst:nld}}</nowiki> is exactly what you should be using. If it's still not working, you might try asking someone who worked on the template. ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 14:28, 1 September 2007 (UTC) ::Okay thanks, I'll peer back at my edits, see how i may have mistyped. It may well be a typo. [[User:Urbane|<span style="color:black"><b>Urbane</b></span>]] [[User talk:Urbane|<span style="color:green"><small>(Talk)</small></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Urbane|<span style="color:green"><small>(Contributions)</small></span>]] 14:42, 1 September 2007 (UTC) == Template:nld == I think the template is ok. Try to insert <nowiki>{{nld}}</nowiki> to the [[Wikibooks:Sandbox|Sandbox]]. I have tried and I have seen a red warning. --[[User:Derbeth|Derbeth]] [[User talk:Derbeth|<sup>talk</sup>]] 14:36, 2 September 2007 (UTC) == Calvin and Hobbes == Hi Mike, I saw this comic this morning and thought of you: http://images.ucomics.com/comics/ch/2007/ch070905.gif Hope it brings a smile to your face. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 12:48, 5 September 2007 (UTC) :Thanks man. That was right on the money. ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 12:50, 5 September 2007 (UTC) glgjlllt02ku2mkwgre8cnec91ifpd2 3 133589 4654250 2031613 2026-07-12T18:31:56Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654250 wikitext text/x-wiki <[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 2|older]] [[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 4|newer]]> {{Talkarchive}} {{-}} == Copyright held by Kelvin Seifert == Is that why the page suddenly disappeared on me, or did I just push the wrong button? Let me think about this. When I went through getting a release of the rights in 2003 when the book went out of print, the publisher provided me with a signed contract releasing the rights to me, so that I could do what I'm doing now. I now have that contract in my file. Using the boilerplate will mean going back to them a second time, which is both a pain and annoying to them. It may be easier simply to delete this chapter--though it will reduce the value of the book to others if this happens. [[User:Klseifert|KelvinLeeSeifert]] 21:16, 5 September 2007 (UTC) :If this person owns the copyrights and chooses to upload content to wikibooks, we shouldnt make them jump through any hoops. The only time we need to worry about permissions really is when a complaint is raised. If [[User:klseifert]] has the signed contract that he claims to have, dealing with issues of copyright later will be a cinch. Maybe an uploaded scanned copy of the contract here will be an extra layer of protection? --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 21:24, 5 September 2007 (UTC) == On Further Thought... == On further thought, let's delete all of Chapter 13 (though I realize the history will stay). I do not like the large "copyright violation" notice that has been posted at the head of Chapter 13--it creates a negative impression of the entire book. For now, ASAP, I will try to make the editing changes needed earlier in the book. I'll think about whether to write the Houghton Mifflin editors again. As you might imagine, I am annoyed now myself. Maybe I will change my mind later after I think about it more, but for now, my feeling about Chapter 13 is "forget it." [[User:Klseifert|KelvinLeeSeifert]] 21:28, 5 September 2007 (UTC) ::@WK: My concern was that he's not the original holder - the publishing company is. So we're taking his word that they transferred the copyrights to him in some year "around 2003." If that's satisfactory for you, then it is for me too. ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:34, 5 September 2007 (UTC) ::@KLS: I wasn't aware you already had some sort of release. That should be fine. I don't think tagging the page would make it disappear though - you must have pressed the wrong button ;) I'll make sure it's still there and remove the tag. ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:34, 5 September 2007 (UTC) :::Copyright issues can be tricky, and sometimes just trying to do a good thing (donating content to a non-profit) means jumping through hoops. He may not be the original holder, but if he is the current holder that's good enough. For safety, he could probably upload a scanned copy of the document that says he's the copyright holder, but then again there would be the problem of verifiying that the letter is genuine and that this is the person he claims to be. The problems can continue ad infinitem, especially if we dont trust somebody eventually. ''If'' a copyright problem arises in the future, we can worry about things then. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 23:35, 5 September 2007 (UTC) : Thanks (to both of you). For more information about me, you can check my (rather simple) home page at <home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~seifert>, which has my complete C.V. Or check the brief, but official university biography at <www.umanitoba.ca/faculties/education/directory/eafp/seifert.shtml>. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Klseifert|Klseifert]] ([[User talk:Klseifert|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Klseifert|contribs]]) </span></small> == A Researcher's Guide to Local History Terminology == Thanks for the encouragement. I will contact you if I need further assistance.[[User:Rosser1954|Rosser1954]] 13:44, 6 September 2007 (UTC) == A Researcher's Guide to Local History Terminology == Hello. I am puzzled as to what has happend to this article. I was literaly in the middle of modifying it and Darklama made changes which have left me very confused as to what is going on. Can you help - revert it or whatever? [[User:Rosser1954|Rosser1954]] 11:22, 7 September 2007 (UTC) :Actually what DL did was a good idea. He moved content from the page [[A Researcher's Guide to Local History Terminology]] onto subpages, then transcluded them. If you look in the wikicode for the page, you'll notice <nowiki>{{/Further reading}}</nowiki> for instance. That takes the page [[A Researcher's Guide to Local History Terminology/Further reading]] and ''transcludes'' it onto the page. Transclusion means that where the <nowiki>{{/Further reading}}</nowiki> is, the wiki software will substitute in the content of the page [[A Researcher's Guide to Local History Terminology/Further reading]]. When pages are very long, it gets difficult to edit easily, and some browsers can't even handle loading them. By moving some of the content to subpages and then transcluding them, no content moves (or at least it seems that way) and the wikicode gets broken into smaller chunks. You should be able to edit the page as normal. If you edit a section being transcluded, you'll be taken to the edit page for that subpage instead, where you can edit as normal. When you save, you'll be looking at the subpage; you'll have to return to the main page to see how it fits in with the rest of the content there. I'd suggest continuing that process to further decrease the size of each page. IMHO, an even better idea would be to break that page into subpages and link to them instead simply because the size of that main page is so big. As well, since your dictionary is secondary and auxiliary to the rest of the textbook, it shouldn't be the first thing you see - it should probably be linked to as a subpage. If you need anything else, feel free to ask. I'll probably be around for most of the day (except about 2 hours starting now.) ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 12:19, 7 September 2007 (UTC) :I guess it can be a bit puzzling or confusing at first. Books unlike articles on Wikipedia do not consist of single pages, except maybe early in there creation process. Wikibooks makes extensive use of subpages for dividing a single book up into multiple pages, while remaining part of the same book. Try reading the [[WB:NP|naming policy]] to get an idea of how its done and you'll see I was following conventions used here. I transcluded to minimize any effects of the change for now. Mike is right that it would be better to link to each subpage instead. What this means really is that the first page of the book becomes the table of contents. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 14:44, 7 September 2007 (UTC) Thanks for that. I will read it several times :-) Mike - you are now on my watch page. [[User:Rosser1954|Rosser1954]] 19:59, 7 September 2007 (UTC) == [[Civ:Alpha Centauri]] == Hey, please notice my edits on [[Civ:Alpha Centauri]]. The standard procedure (which isn't 100% across all external links here) is to use the <nowiki>{{external link}}</nowiki> template and protect the page from editing by only allowing sysops to move or edit the page. If you've got a question about this, please reply on my talk page. Thanks. -[[User:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#000000">'''within'''</span>]][[User talk:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#7A7A7A">'''focus'''</span>]] 12:50, 7 September 2007 (UTC) :Thanks for the notice. I actually used [[Special:Prefixindex/Civ:]] to make sure I got all the necessary pages, so I think I got everything needed (also followed every link in the ToC's). -- [[User:Prod|Prod-You]] 19:35, 8 September 2007 (UTC) ==Greetings== Hi Mike! Thank you for the hearty welcome you have given me. I have some questions... At [[Talk:Latin]] I asked where I could put some certain pages. I'm guessing you don't do much latin, but it's just the fact that I don't really know my way around yet and the pages seem ordered in a way that a prefix and suffix chapter would look out of place. Is is acceptable to put lists (like at [http://bbs.ebigear.com/archiver/tid-5693.html Here] in WikiBooks? --<fontfont-family:Courier new" size="4">[[user:Harris Morgan|Harris]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Harris Morgan|Morgan]]</span> 19:05, 7 September 2007 (UTC) :What you're proposing would be acceptable as an appendix; it must be secondary and auxiliary to the textbook. Since [[Latin]] is already a featured text, adding another appendix will be fine. There is an entire section devoted to appendices to the textbook [[Latin#Appendices|here]]; I've created an appendix for your prefixes and suffixes called [[Latin/Prefixes and Suffixes]]. It is a redlink for now; when you click on the link you'll be taken to the edit window so you can start adding content. Sounds like it'll be a useful appendix to the text. If you need help with wiki markup, layout, or anything else, come back and ask here, or at [[WB:SL|the staff lounge]]. ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC) == Re:Cool award == And I don't have anything to give in return! I've been watching your contributions, you certainly deserve an award yourself for all the hours and work you've been putting in! Thanks. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 13:26, 10 September 2007 (UTC) :On another note, maybe making a few additional "awards" like that would be a nice thing? We dont really have barnstars like wikipedia does, but that doesnt mean we can't reward people who do good things around here! Are there any other "award" templates out there that we can salvage, or do we need to create a set from scratch? --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 18:30, 10 September 2007 (UTC) ::WP definitely has some. I'm going to periodically import one and give it to someone. If you want, I could do a whole bunch at once, but I thought they'd be nice little surprises this way. ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:24, 11 September 2007 (UTC) :::Well, don't let me rain on your parade. A gift is always sweeter if it's unexpected. I may do the same thing from time to time, sorry if i'm playing the copycat! --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 00:36, 11 September 2007 (UTC) ==sorry== didn't know it was inappropriate<small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:87.226.65.163|87.226.65.163]] ([[User talk:87.226.65.163|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/87.226.65.163|contribs]]) </span></small> == Question about a deleted Lucid Dreaming page... == I'm the user who flagged the duplicate articles for deletion, but I see that you merged the edit histories. I'm a little confised as to if this modified the current article, as I and other users already moved any important changes from the old page to the new one. When you merged the pages, what happened to the differences between the pages? Later I see a (restored current version) Does this mean that the merged changes were removed? Basically, I already put everything important from the old article into the new one, so there was no need for a merge, just a deletion. This also goes for the other 5-6 pages that were flagged for deletion by me per request of the author. [[User:Erik212]] 03:01, 12 September 2007 (UTC) :I deleted the tagged pages in [[Lucid Dreaming]], then re-created them as redirects to the real pages in the book. For some pages, edit history merges were needed (since you manually copied and pasted content, which doesn't give proper attribution to the author of that content, which is required by the GNU Free Documentation License), which I did. Some pages didn't require history merges, so I didn't bother doing it for them. :If you see an edit summary "restoring current version" then that means that the version you see was whatever was there before I began the process. If more edit history merges are required, or if you have further questions about what I did, please let me know. ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:58, 12 September 2007 (UTC) ::The discussion page for [[Lucid Dreaming]] explains what the author (r3m0t) wanted done, just to clarify why I made the change. It was not me that copied and pasted, but I understand. Thanks! [[User:Erik212]] 04:05, 12 September 2007 (UTC) :::Sorry, I assumed you had done the copy-paste moves. The history merges fixed the licensing issue, so it's really a matter of "Do you see the right content on the page?" I'm fairly certain the history merges were successful; if you think they weren't, we'll have to sort it out. ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 04:08, 12 September 2007 (UTC) :::PS: Your signature doesn't seem to include a link to your userpage or talk page; it's considered good form to include links to those pages. When you sign with four tildes <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> the software automatically substitutes your signature and a timestamp. The signature can be edited in your preferences. ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 04:10, 12 September 2007 (UTC) ::::No problem, the only edits between the pages were mostly grammatical corrections to the official page(did those stay?), but one or two had some new content. I'll go look and see what the status of that is. As for my sig, it was set to raw for some reason...should be fine now. [[User:Erik212|Erik212]] 04:16, 12 September 2007 (UTC) :::::Yes, any changes you made should still be there. The only thing that I changed was that the edit history from the "old version" is now included with the edit history for the "new version" - again, this is to satisfy licensing requirements. Good work on the sig ;) ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 04:19, 12 September 2007 (UTC) ::::::OK, (this is like an instant messaging) the changes I made (E.G. adding a new induction method) are just fine. Everything seems to be in order! Sorry about this whole discussion, I just didn't know how much the "merging" affected the pages. Thanks for the help! [[User:Erik212|Erik212]] 04:23, 12 September 2007 (UTC) == TeX == When your moving the pages from "Programming:TeX <page>", don't forget to add a / in there as well so that its "TeX/<page>" rather then "TeX <page>". I fixed 3 pages you moved, fixed the double redirects and deleted the ones created by you that I saw. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 16:32, 12 September 2007 (UTC) :Sorry. Got confused by the backslash - those are part of the command name I guess. I left a note on the author's page to have a look through the pages they created; hopefully they'll follow up. Thanks for cleaning up after me. ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:34, 12 September 2007 (UTC) == thanks == ...for the welcome, Mike. [[User:Joe Byrne|Joe Byrne]] 17:29, 12 September 2007 (UTC) == VfD closer == I noticed your closing of [[:Image:Wikibooks German-English Film Glossary.pdf]] with the reason being "as a glossary out of project scope" with a link to [[WB:WIW#Wikibooks_is_not_a_dictionary]]. I'm wondering if you read the exception bit about glossaries. Also as a general rule, you shouldn't close a vfd that you started as [[WB:DP#Guidelines_for_admins]] states and there doesn't seem to be enough consensus on what should happen, one person is in favor of keeping, one is in favor of deleting, and one is in favor of transwiki besides your own. I'm just wondering what your thoughts were when you closed it. I also don't think enough time had passed between my comment on the 9th and your closing it on the 12th for anyone to comment on it. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 18:20, 12 September 2007 (UTC) :Sorry. Re-open it if you like. I was trying to be careful not to close anything I had opened - my mistake. Nevertheless, here's my thinking, which seems to me to be in line with the comments made: :The exception is for glossaries that are secondary and auxiliary to a text. I can't find any text that could use this as a glossary. Delete and keep cancel; transwiki is the favoured alternative. Indeed, I (I can't speak for whoever else wanted to transwiki) specifically chose transwiki so the content wouldn't be lost; if we need it back we can have it back. :The file is [[wiktionary:Image:Wikibooks German-English Film Glossary.pdf|here]]. ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:24, 12 September 2007 (UTC) ::Seems to be pointless now to reopen it, since the pdf file was uploaded to commons, its now available to any project. I had offered the [[German]] book as a possible place where the text could be used as a glossary, since its a german glossary. However I was perfectly fine with it being transwikied if nobody working on that book wanted it. Which is why I just commented on it rather then picking keep or transwiki. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 19:50, 12 September 2007 (UTC) :::I don't mean to belittle the idea of having a glossary as an appendix to a book, but it should match the scope of the book. Unless [[German]] is really [[German film]] or [[Filmstudien auf Deutsch]] it's probably not a good idea. There's no reason to have a specialized translation dictionary as part of a language learning textbook. I don't know how it got uploaded to Commons, though... *is confused* ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:07, 12 September 2007 (UTC) ::::If you don't have an account on Wikimedia Commons then someone there is impersonating you, because it says it was uploaded there by you. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 20:57, 12 September 2007 (UTC) :::::No, that's me. But the "Upload file" link I clicked was from en.wt... not on commons. That's what confused me. If you look at Commons, you'll see the file, but no edit history on the talk page. If you look at the talk page on en.wt, you'll see the edit history, but the file tab is a redlink. *is horribly confused* I'll just add the history to the Commons talk page and then ignore the issue, hoping it goes away. ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:31, 12 September 2007 (UTC) == Connell66 == Indef blocked him per the long term wp history. No need to keep users like that around ;) --[[User:Az1568|Az1568]]<sup> ([[User talk:Az1568|Talk]])</sup> 00:36, 13 September 2007 (UTC) :For info this was a cross wiki account doing the same elsewhere! --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 15:56, 14 September 2007 (UTC) == Cat watch! == Hi Mike - try watchlisting [[User:Herbythyme/Categories|this]] for a bit - if it doesn't work I'll pester Bryan. If it does I'll make it an admin watch page like the discussion index one (it really is easier to catch up via that than work through each page trying to find the headings). Cheers --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 13:30, 14 September 2007 (UTC) :Beautiful! Seems to be working just fine. Thanks a bunch, eh? ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:46, 14 September 2007 (UTC) ::Give Bryan the thanks really! Neat tho - anything else you think should be on it? (Works nicely on Commons if there are categories that interest you there) cheers --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 15:53, 14 September 2007 (UTC) :::Btw - only "stays" there about 24 hours iirc --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 15:55, 14 September 2007 (UTC) == Re:Subject: Templates == Whenever I make templates like that, I usually include a little message telling where it came from, in case there is an error or somebody has a question. That template is located at [[User:Whiteknight/Simple Subject]]. The documentation for using it is on that page as well. All the templates for various purposes that i've created can be found [[User:Whiteknight/Book Foundry#Header Templates|HERE]]. You are more then welcome to use any of them. If you see something that needs to be changed, let me know, and I can fix it (or, i suppose, you are welcome to do it yourself). --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 17:09, 14 September 2007 (UTC) :Great; thanks! So I've created [[Subject:First Aid]] - but every page in the book shows up. Is the solution to use <nowiki>{{Subject|First Aid}}</nowiki> on [[First Aid]], and use regular categories on the rest of the pages to keep track of them? :Totally unrelated: Do you know how to set the font that stuff shows up in? I imagine it has something to do with monobook.js?? ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:18, 14 September 2007 (UTC) ::The subject template uses DPL to include all the pages from a particular category. In the [[First Aid]] book, all the pages are in [[:Category:First Aid]], so all the pages show up. A solution would be to make a new category for all books on that topic, such as [[:Category:Emergency Medicine]], or something similar. Put the title pages of all books that relate into that category. A lot of what I have been doing with my bot recently has been removing book pages from subject categories, so that the list only shows book titles and not subpages. It's tedious, to say the least. ::As to the font, I don't think there is an explicit way to do it. I can try to add some style information to my template, and see if that works for you. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 17:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC) :::Okay, I set it up so you can optionally specify a style for the page lists, such as the font. The updated documentation is at [[User:Whiteknight/Sibling Subject]]. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 17:33, 14 September 2007 (UTC) ::::Oh - I meant just the font that I see on my screen. I could change it in my browser preferences, but I want it to apply just to en.wb... Actually to all wikis, but same difference. ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:35, 14 September 2007 (UTC) ::::And if I want to show parts of books on this subject: page, should I tag the main page for the book, or just the appropriate pages/chapters/whatever? ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:36, 14 September 2007 (UTC) :::::If you want to change the font that you see, you could change it in your [[User:Mike.lifeguard/monobook.css|monobook.css]] page. You can make many changes with your skin, you should see how complicated mine is! :::::The DPL is going to show all pages that are in a particular category. If you want certain pages to be in that category, you need to tag those pages. One thing that you could do is tag the main page with [[:Category:First Aid]], and tag all the sub pages with [[:Category:First Aid (Book)]]. An easy way to tag all subpages is by putting the category tag inside the book's templates. That way you dont need to tag and retag every single page individually, you only tag the templates. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 17:42, 14 September 2007 (UTC) Some additional info: {{tlx|subject}} is just a quick way to add up to 10 categories to a page in the proper sort order, while being smart about it. Its "smart" in that it automatically adds the book category to the page for you and doesn't add any of the other categories if its a subpage for the book. I'm assuming you removed them from all the pages because of what Whiteknight said. All the pages need to be in the book category, you just need a separate category for maintaining a list of all books on a subject. Such as [[:Category:First aid]], notice the case difference. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 17:46, 14 September 2007 (UTC) :Smart cookie, you are... So I do <nowiki>{{Subject|First aid|First Aid|Medicine}}</nowiki> then [[First Aid]] would get added to them all, but subpages would only be added to the first (which doesn't match the Subject: page? ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:49, 14 September 2007 (UTC) ::Just use {{tlx|Subject|First aid|Medicine}}, [[:Category:First Aid]] will get added to every page in the book you use it on, the other categories will be ignored except for the main page. Its just as if you added [[:Category:First Aid]] by hand to every page you add the subject template to and only included [[:Category:First aid]] and [[:Category:Medicine]] to the main page of the book. It doesn't check the subject namespace at all. This is separate from working with the subject namespace. It just makes sure subpages aren't added to anything but the book category, so that subject categories aren't full of subpages. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 18:07, 14 September 2007 (UTC) :::K, I think I've got it. The only thing left is to add more books to [[Subject:First Aid]] - it's looking sparse :P To add the first aid sections of [[Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book]] (for example), should I tag that page, or only the relevant subpages? Also, if I want [[Emergency Medicine]] to show up in the "First Aid and Medicine Books" section, it'd have to be in both categories? ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:12, 14 September 2007 (UTC) ::::I think you got it backwards. "First Aid" is the name of your book, so that should be the category all the pages in the book should be in while "First aid" is the category to put the main page of any books on first aid in, including the First Aid book. I think you had it right the first time. Oh well I guess it doesn't really matter which way you do it, since [[Wikibooks:Categories]] is only a proposal. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 18:18, 14 September 2007 (UTC) :::::Thanks for the help w/ CSS. That was a welcome surprise. Is there any way to keep the edit box text as whatever the standard non-proportional font ("Courier new" or something)? :::::Categories will be changed in a few. ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:25, 14 September 2007 (UTC) ::::::{{done}} I suggest reading [[CSS]] to learn more. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 18:41, 14 September 2007 (UTC) Thanks. I'll take a look. ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:43, 14 September 2007 (UTC) == AWB == Hi Mike - the spelling page will be well out of date I think - I used to copy over the en wp latest one whenever I ran the bot - cheers --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 17:16, 14 September 2007 (UTC) :It updates every time, actually. There's no typo list associated with en.wb, so it asks if you want to use the up-to-date default for en.wp, which I did. Thanks tho! ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:18, 14 September 2007 (UTC) ==A Researcher's Guide to Local History Terminology== response at [[User talk:Jeepday]] hey, ermmm about the edit, we have a shared IP, and this is a college. Its mostly the freshmen that make edits like that and there is no way to prevent them from doing this. I am wondering if it is possible to prevent them from access or somthing ? any possible information would be helpful thanks again, and sorry for the bother. -- [[User:Jeepday|Jeepday]] 07:01, 15 September 2007 (UTC) :You should consider having students register their own accounts. Your account should be for your use only; sign out when you're done. This way there will be no confusion as to who is making what edits. We tend to assume that a single username is a single person. That should certainly be the case when someone with access to the account makes questionable edits. ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:06, 18 September 2007 (UTC) 8yne7hvpgy3ejw1be8y9i3hev0qgl3t 110 134086 4654278 3996097 2026-07-13T07:41:06Z Meno25 43227 rm iw 4654278 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Wikijunior Colors}} {{Wikijunior Colors/Color}} == Information == {{Reading level|Pre-Reader}} *[[/For Parents/]] *[[/For Contributors/]] {{Shelves|Wikijunior pre-reader books}}{{Status|100%}} 0gyd8skvzc56k2y34retbul3va98vot 3 134567 4654252 2031614 2026-07-12T18:33:21Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654252 wikitext text/x-wiki <[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 3|older]] [[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 5|newer]]> {{Talkarchive}} {{-}} == [[Ethnomedicine]], AWB requests == Hi Mike. Could you have a look at [[Ethnomedicine]] and see what you think? I think the "Home Remedies" chapter could probably be split off to be another book (merging with [[Home Remedies]], or perhaps partially broken off into herbalism books as well? There is actually some ok content there, but the format is terrible. I'll also be looking for someone to do some AWB stuff in a month or so, mostly changing the category structure of [[A Wikimanual of Gardening]] to make it work better with DynamicPageList. --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 22:21, 17 September 2007 (UTC) :Merging the Home Remedies into [[Home Remedies]] is a great idea; it should also be restructured to fit better in that book. I don't like the alphabetical idea - what do you think of trying to follow the [[Home Remedies]] organization? One chapter for infections, then headaches etc., then skin problems, then minor injuries, then bites and stings, then... (I won't know till I go through [[Ethnomedicine/Home Remedies]]). I imagine that some stuff will be suitable only for [[Ethnomedicine]] (I'm thinking of Alagau, but there's definitely more). Some stuff might be copied elsewhere, but I wouldn't remove it from Ethnomedicine altogether if it's legitimately ethnomedicine (ie. acetaminophen doesn't count). :I'm happy to do anything with AWB ''that I'm able to''; you'll notice that I did 4 or 5 passes on [[:Category:First Aid]] to get it right. Most of that was a misunderstanding of how {{tlx|Subject}} and the dynamic page lists interacted though. As long as I know what needs to be done, I'll give it a shot. ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:02, 18 September 2007 (UTC) ::Actually, I think each heading on the [[Ethnomedicine/Home Remedies]] page should just be made into an independent module within one or another book... just hard to say which one (I was confused by acetameniphen there too, but it might be nice to have more pages about over-the-counters that are categorized by what they're used for (pain, inflammation, fever reduction, etc.). ::I'm not entirely certain what the {{tl|subject}} template is for actually :). The AWB stuff I'm thinking of is pretty straightforward text-replacement running off of categories, so should be fairly easy (I can't run AWB on MAC OSX, otherwise I'd do it myself). --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 02:08, 18 September 2007 (UTC) :::Why don't I just split the thing into subpages for each heading. Then we can decide page by page what to move where. :::"Fairly easy" sounds good. Whenever you're ready. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:13, 18 September 2007 (UTC) == Images == Mike, All of my images that I uploaded I created myself, with the sole exception on a tiny handful of old photographs that I got from public domain sources. I had previously informed others of this when asked about their status. ALL of my images I created myself, and donated them to Wikibooks under the GNU FDL license, and any other license that anyone wants to use them under. It seems that the image that you were asking about a couple of weeks ago has been deleted. If there is a way to un-delete it, please do so, because it was an excellent image that I spent time creating, and more importantly, is (was) serving a good purpose to many people. Thank you, [[User:Karl Wick|Karl Wick]] 00:43, 18 September 2007 (UTC) :I don't think it's possible to recover deleted images. If memory serves, they must be uploaded again. Please recall that the deletions were within project policy; you're required to tag uploads with appropriate license information - a notice on your user page is insufficient. I will look into the matter of undeleting images so you can tag them properly, but I can't promise the results you want. ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:50, 18 September 2007 (UTC) ::I tried looking at Karl Wick's deleted contributions, the last images deleted were in March and were deleted because there was better versions on commons available. You can undelete images and even see what the image was before undeleting it. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 01:21, 18 September 2007 (UTC) :::I think that must not be right. I just found one deleted last month. 13:49, September 16, 2007 Urbane (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "[[:Image:Ochemicon.png]]" ‎ (Nld for >7 days) (Restore) :::@ Karl: The image you asked about has been undeleted. If there are others you want back, please ask with a redlink and rationale. Many of your images weren't being used when they were deleted, IIRC. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:34, 18 September 2007 (UTC) ::::Odd, I was using the deleted contributions special page and March was the last time something was showing as having been deleted. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 01:40, 18 September 2007 (UTC) :::::Yes it is. I couldn't think of any reason it wouldn't show up. Can you? '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:41, 18 September 2007 (UTC) ::::::I can't think of anything other then perhaps the deleted contributions log is cached or someone else had added contents to the page. Also I think your looking at "tag with appropriate license information" in too narrowly and not assuming good faith. License templates either weren't in common use at one time or simply didn't exist. If you come across image or user pages mentioning licenses in other forms besides the templates which you can verify was written by the uploader/user in question, please try to assume good faith and instead of tagging them for deletion use the correct template. I do that and add licenses for images I didn't upload, but which I know the correct license for, such as screenshots of the interface of open source software I use. Its also less work to use the correct license if you know which one it is. I just think your response to Karl was making a bigger deal out of something then it was, which could easily be fixed. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 00:53, 19 September 2007 (UTC) tab reset I am assuming good faith. I'm quite sure he means to license these images under <s>PD</s>GFDL. That said, the notice on his userpage is a new addition, and ''isn't'' sufficient according to current policy. If there's anything he wants back, he's welcome to it since I know that he means to license (and tag) them appropriately. How could the solution possibly be simpler? Please also keep in mind that I didn't delete these images; I just gave him notice that they weren't tagged. Have a good night. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:00, 19 September 2007 (UTC) : Perhaps I mistook some of your comments when I read them as a threatening warning that you would soon delete Karl's images again if Karl doesn't include the license templates on the images in a timely manner, even while knowing what license the images were being released under. Things like "a notice on your user page is insufficient" and "If there are others you want back, please ask with a redlink and rationale" had me thinking there was some lack of good faith and that you have or would perhaps delete all images indiscriminately without regard to other means of stating what license images are being released under. I wasn't concern with what was or wasn't on his page, nor with whether or not it was you who had deleted them before, so I didn't even look. I am/was only concerned with how you decide what media/images need to be deleted. Also Wikibooks doesn't currently have a policy concerning media/image deletion that I know of, to be able to say username notices are not sufficient. So what current policy are you speaking about? Surely the fact Karl has said that their work is released under the GFDL and any other license anyone wants to use is enough of a rationale to undelete? --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 02:57, 19 September 2007 (UTC) ::Well I'm not going on a Karl-Wick-image-deletion rampage any time soon. As for policy, "According to the speedy deletion guidelines, images in [[:Category:Images with unknown copyright status|this category]] may be deleted if they have been listed in the category for at least 7 days." ([[:Category:Images with unknown copyright status]]) and "All images must have a valid image copyright tag." ([[Wikibooks:Image use policy]]) seem to be clear enough. That said, since he wants to license them under GFDL, he can ask me for any image he wants undeleted and I'll do it. Since the original deletions were done according to project policy (and not by me, so I'd be reverting another admin's actions), I'm asking that Karl give me a reason for undeletion. I don't think that's too much to ask. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 04:41, 19 September 2007 (UTC) :::[[Wikibooks:Image use policy]] is only a proposed policy draft, there is also [[Wikibooks:Media]]. Whiteknight <s>started the first proposal and</s> IIRC seems to agree with me that its more fit for a help page. I don't know the history of the category, to say much, but I have no idea why it says that and what in the speedy deletion criteria for the deletion policy it could be referring to, since there is no specific mention of image deletions at all in the deletion policy that I could find. As far as not reverting another admin, thats your choice, you can always ask the person who deleted the images first if you want. For myself, I wouldn't consider it a big deal to revert them, since you've been provided with more information which they very likely didn't have, but admittedly I wouldn't go out of my way to restore all images. Someone would need to request for there undeletion, to show that there is still a need for the images. Perhaps thats enough of a reason for you as well? --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 10:19, 19 September 2007 (UTC) ::::I don't think it's a big deal to undelete them now that the licensing issue is clear. That's exactly why I'm asking for someone to request their undeletion and to show that there is still a need for the images. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:30, 19 September 2007 (UTC) == VfD == If you can, try to check if the editors (if registered) of VfD targets have a "Welcome message" most of them are probably clueless (like <!--[[User:Keishazown]]-->), this will result in Wikibookians being able to understand the VfD action not as an aggressive move or even a direct comment on the their work. This takes more time but will result on more people staying with the project to contribute in other works or more productively. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] 06:44, 19 September 2007 (UTC) :Sorry; what's this in relation to? '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 14:57, 20 September 2007 (UTC) ::Just a comment on [[VfD]] in general, that could improve relations to users, in particular due to <!--[[User:Keishazown]]--> "Teaching Assistant in France Survival Guide/Directory" case, the use had not been welcomed to Wikibooks and it seemed sincere in his laking of understanding about the VfD. I haven't never marked any work to VfD personally (I have pointed out some) but I will try and add a review to the policy on my todolist, so to include more steps not to ostracize users (because they lack knowledge and/or misunderstand the action). --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] 16:14, 20 September 2007 (UTC) :::While I agree, in principle, with this idea, I have to say that for [[Teaching Assistant in France Survival Guide/Directory|this module in particular]] that it's not feasible to give each contributor a warning or explanation. For that module, there were ''many'' contributors, most were IPs, and those that have accounts are often one-time contributors. Giving each one a personal message simply isn't feasible. It may help to create a template for the purpose of informing a few main editors, but certainly not each and every one, especially for a module such as that. :::In the past, I have tried to notify a few main authors if they're easily identifiable, and have been active recently. In response to this thread, I'm going to create a template specifically for that purpose. As well, please note that {{tlx|vfd}} has a link to the nomination on [[WB:VFD]], which users can easily follow (as <!--[[User:Keishazown|Keishazown]]--> did) to discuss the proposed deletion. In this case, the system worked exactly as it was intended to. I'll try to improve it with that template message, though. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:48, 20 September 2007 (UTC) == You've won... == {| style="border:1px solid gold; background:white; color:black;" | [[Image:Wikibooks_award.svg|64px]] | <big>Golden Wiki</big> ---- For your efforts to mark all unlicensed images for deletion |} ::OOOOO! I like the new pic. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 13:55, 21 September 2007 (UTC) == Image confusion == Hi mike, Thanks for replying to my question on darklamas talk page. Im a little confused and i wondered if you could help me. When i looked at the [[:category:Images with unknown copyright status]] earlier i was sure that it contained around 300 + images, when i looked a moment ago it said that it contained only 119 or so images. How can this be. There are no large scale deletions in the logs in the past hour or two that i can see. What has happened? Is this a caching problem at my end or something different? [[User:Urbane|<span style="color:black"><b>Urbane</b></span>]] [[User talk:Urbane|<span style="color:green"><small>(Talk)</small></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Urbane|<span style="color:green"><small>(Contributions)</small></span>]] 18:31, 21 September 2007 (UTC) :DL added some magicks to {{tlx|no license}} so that they'd be added to [[:Category:Candidates for speedy deletion]] after 7 days. The effect is apparently retroactive, but took a bit for the server to make the changes. Your missing images are listed instead in the SD category. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:34, 21 September 2007 (UTC) ::Thanks. I was just about to write back saying that i'd found them when you responded. I don't know why i didn't think to look there after replying to the message about it on darklama's talk page. Feeling a little bit daft now... I'm sure i'm slowly going crazy. Well, at least it shows that the template works as intended, darklama did a good job of it. Thanks again. [[User:Urbane|<span style="color:black"><b>Urbane</b></span>]] [[User talk:Urbane|<span style="color:green"><small>(Talk)</small></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Urbane|<span style="color:green"><small>(Contributions)</small></span>]] 18:40, 21 September 2007 (UTC) == Copyright problem with [[:Image:Ppt03.gif]] == That's ''your'' upload. Please don't give me or any other user invalid warnings. Instead, fix the licensing issues with your uploads or they will be deleted per policy. Thanks. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:24, 21 September 2007 (UTC) This image is free to distribute under an academic web site. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Celesguy|Celesguy]] ([[User talk:Celesguy|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Celesguy|contribs]]) </span></small> :Unfortunately, that's not good enough. Images uploaded here must be redistributable for any reason, including (for example) commercial purposes. There can be no restriction to educational or personal use. Please read [[Wikibooks:Media]] for more information. As well, a link to the image will be sufficient; I don't need the {{tlx|image warning}} template. Thanks! '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:30, 21 September 2007 (UTC) == Fair Use Image == How do I explain why an image is fair use? the image postman.jpg was used in press releases coinciding with his obituary. My understanding was that press release photos are fair use. Pleas let me know what I need to do. Thanks [[User:Cpullman|Cpullman]] 21:51, 21 September 2007 (UTC) :On the image page, just type below the fair use tag the reasoning. If you refer to [[Wikibooks:Media#Fair use or personal use]], it should give you clear direction on what information is required. Thanks! '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:56, 21 September 2007 (UTC) I have taken this down and replaced it with a link. Thank you [[User:Cpullman|Cpullman]] 21:06, 24 September 2007 (UTC) == AWB, again, but not exactly == Hi Mike. I'm going to be ready for some AWB work probably by this evening, but it's actually on Wikiversity, not Wikibooks. What it involved is replacing category tags with templates. Probably the first run will go like this: #set the bot to run on all pages in [[v:Category:BCP/Simple leaves]] #replace all instances of <nowiki>[[Category:BCP/Simple leaves|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]]</nowiki> with <nowiki>{{bcp/simple leaves}}</nowiki> Sound doable? If you're not confident about programming the bot to run off a category like that, I can wait until Herbythyme gets back from vacation :). The AWB runs on wikibooks will be similar: i.e. switching categories to templates. --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 15:35, 22 September 2007 (UTC) :No, that'll be fine. Just let me know when it's ready to go. I'll be at work tonight, but I can do it after that, or maybe tomorrow. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:36, 22 September 2007 (UTC) <big>BTW: '''don't do this yet!!!'''</big>... I need to complete a manual run on [[v:Bloom Clock/Herbaceous plants with white flowers seen in September in Southeastern Pennsylvania]] first so I can make sure the trick works. (The trick is making the template do certain funny inclusion stuff... there's a lot of funny inclusion stuff on the bloom clock :) ). --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 15:38, 22 September 2007 (UTC) ::Sure thing. Just give me a go-ahead when you're sure it's ready. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:39, 22 September 2007 (UTC) OK, ready now (was on daddy duty yesterday evening, sorry about that). It's actually 4 replacements: #set the bot to run on all pages in [[v:Category:BCP/Simple leaves]] #replace all instances of <nowiki>[[Category:BCP/Simple leaves|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]]</nowiki> with <nowiki>{{bcp/simple leaves}}</nowiki> #set the bot to run on all pages in [[v:Category:BCP/Pinnately compound leaves]] #replace all instances of <nowiki>[[Category:BCP/Pinnately compound leaves|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]]</nowiki> with <nowiki>{{bcp/pinnately compound leaves}}</nowiki> #set the bot to run on all pages in [[v:Category:BCP/Palmately compound leaves]] #replace all instances of <nowiki>[[Category:BCP/Palmately compound leaves|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]]</nowiki> with <nowiki>{{bcp/palmately compound leaves}}</nowiki> #set the bot to run on all pages in [[v:Category:BCP/trifoliate leaves]] #replace all instances of <nowiki>[[Category:BCP/Trifoliate leaves|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]]</nowiki> with <nowiki>{{bcp/trifoliate leaves}}</nowiki> If you want to check on it, the templates currently add pages to [[v:Category:BCP/Leaf arrangement included]]. Once you're done I'll switch them back to add the category you just removed (see the "usage" on the templates if you're wondering... the goal is to track which pages in a particular DPL run ''don't'' have information about leaf complexity). --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 14:52, 23 September 2007 (UTC) :{{done}} - Hope everything turned out properly. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:12, 23 September 2007 (UTC) ::Awesome... thanks! I'll have to wait for the job cue to run the full DPLs, but looks like the template is doing it's thing :). BTW: are you watching your wikiversity talk page, or is it better to find you here? Sometime this winter (Northern winter, I mean), we might want to change a bunch of the regional templates in a similar fashion (this will be many hundreds of pages). If you don't mind, I'll try to get a flag for a bot account before that so the rc feeds and vandalism channel don't freak out :). --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 23:08, 23 September 2007 (UTC) :::I don't really watch any of my talk pages except this one. With en.wp you'd get lucky because I've taken up vandal-patrolling, but the others are almost-never used. I definitely don't mind doing AWB work, so feel free to call on me if needed! '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:49, 23 September 2007 (UTC) == Deleted Image == Hi Mike, Was the image "Pot-Hook-With-Hand.jpg" the same style as the others in the [[Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book/Recreation/Camping Skills II]] chapter? If so, I can personally attest that they were drawn by user Jazzmanian at my request. If it ''is'' the same style, let me know, and I'll send him an email asking him to add a license. He'll need it undeleted to do that though. Thanks. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 18:24, 22 September 2007 (UTC) :{{done|Undeleted}} pending addition of license information. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:10, 22 September 2007 (UTC) ::Thanks Mike - I sent him an email. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 20:28, 22 September 2007 (UTC) ::: Jazzmanian added PD-Self to the image, so I removed the info box and the nld. I believe all is well. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 17:11, 24 September 2007 (UTC) == Sprouts == Thank you Mike Lifeguard and I'll try to make an outline this week for [[Growing Edible Sprouts]]! :-) --[[User:Sproutable|Sproutable]] 02:00, 23 September 2007 (UTC) == Copyright problem with [[:Image:Computer Lab.JPG]] == Here is the location of the image. It is free for distribution. http://www.iac.iastate.edu/summercamp/Computer%20Lab.JPG The page in which this image is linked is this one: http://www.iac.iastate.edu/summercamp/news.html# <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:celesguy|celesguy]] ([[User talk:celesguy|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/celesguy|contribs]]) </span></small> :How do you know it is "free for distribution"? I looked through much of that site, and there is no mention of that. I did notice that there is no copyright warning, however, that doesn't mean that they have released it to the public domain or something. They're not required to notify anyone that they hold the copyright - it is automatic. If I've missed the license information, please point me in the right direction. Otherwise, it will be deleted per policy. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:43, 23 September 2007 (UTC) :Why don't you consider using images from Commons? With just a quick search, I found several images that might be suitable replacements, and have no licensing issues: [[:Image:TISB computer lab.JPG]]; [[:Image:Computer lab showing desktop PCs warwick.jpg]]; [[:Image:Moody Hall computer lab.jpg]]; [[:Image:Computer lab in Chennai Mathematical Institute.JPG]]. I'm sure there are more, if none of those are what you're looking for. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:52, 23 September 2007 (UTC) == Running a Bot at Wikiversity == Hi, Mike.lifeguard, I heard on IRC you are testing a Bot today. Good luck! [[v:User:mirwin]] == Re:Subject Pages == The whole tabs thing is [[User:Darklama]]'s javascript project. The [[Subject:Programming]] page is one that he's been predominantly involved in as well, so you will probably want to talk to him about it. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 15:43, 23 September 2007 (UTC) :Sure thing. I'll let him how. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:46, 23 September 2007 (UTC) == Rename? == Hi Mike... I was just wondering if its possible to ''rename'' a page? I ask because [[Muggles%27_Guide_to_Harry_Potter/Magic/Faerie|this page]] is named incorrectly - there are no 'faeries' in Harry Potter (rather fairies). Is this a pointless exercise? Should the page just be deleted altogether? Thanks. </br> [[User:YinyangJedi|Mike]] 18:48, 23 September 2007 (UTC) :Please ignore this. I will take care of this situation (and no renames will occur). -[[User:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#000000">'''within'''</span>]][[User talk:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#7A7A7A">'''focus'''</span>]] 18:54, 23 September 2007 (UTC) ::Thanks --- [[User:YinyangJedi|Mike]] 19:31, 23 September 2007 (UTC) :::I'm wrong. A rename should and did occur, although no deletion is necessary. -[[User:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#000000">'''within'''</span>]][[User talk:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#7A7A7A">'''focus'''</span>]] 20:40, 23 September 2007 (UTC) == A bit drastic == That was a bit drastic, Mike: Undo revision 977884 by Mike.lifeguard (Talk)) How's about a warning next time? please ... [[User:KieranMaher|marz]] 02:07, 24 September 2007 (UTC) :Sorry, what's this regarding? '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:08, 24 September 2007 (UTC) :Ahh. Found it. That image was tagged as having no license information since Feb 16/07. That's well more than the week that you're supposed to get. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:12, 24 September 2007 (UTC) ::You're a fine administrator, Mike! I'm just a learner - still ... [[User:KieranMaher|marz]] 16:37, 28 September 2007 (UTC) == Msg == Hi Mike: I got a message from one of the people who uploaded probable copyvio images, not sure what you think about it, take a look at my talk page. The person's saying they will take it down after the page gets graded or something. [[User:Mattb112885|Mattb112885]] <small> ([[User talk:Mattb112885|talk to me]]) </small> 04:42, 24 September 2007 (UTC) == Soc. and Cult. Fopundations of Edu. == Hello Mike, I contributed to the Wikibook as a student last Spring and I am now an Instructor for the course. Sorry for the confusion and please let me know if I can clarify anything else. Have a great day! Jamie <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Jkauf007|Jkauf007]] ([[User talk:Jkauf007|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jkauf007|contribs]]) </span></small> :I just wanted to ask that someone let the students know about some issues with images. I know there have been some problems in the past, and they're surfacing again. Students need to make sure that they're not taking random pictures off the internet to use in the project. As well, all image uploads need to be appropriately tagged with license information. ''Have them ask for help if they need it'' - that's why we're here (well, one of the reasons). As well, you might mention to them that [[commons:Main Page|Commons]] is a great place to get images - all are free to use, and are used in the exact same way as local images (ie <nowiki>[[Image:imagename.jpg|...]]</nowiki>. [[Wikibooks:Media]] and [[Wikibooks:Copyright]] and [[Wikibooks:Image use policy]] are good places to get any other information you want to add, or places to send students if they have questions. As well, There is [[WB:SLN|an entire page devoted specifically for requests for help etc. from new users]] - tell them to please please use it! :I hope that didn't come off as being mean; it's just ''very frustrating'' when people from a single project continually upload images with no license information, or even straight-up copyright violations. Thanks for your help! '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC) == Image licences == You mentioned on my talk page there were images without a licence, can you tell me which ones? As far as I'm aware they're all released into the public domain. You can change them to whatever thing you want I don't care as long as they aren't deleted. Thanks [[User:Damien Karras|Damien Karras]] 00:00, 25 September 2007 (UTC) :Sorry - it looks like all your image uploads are properly tagged. Thanks! '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:14, 25 September 2007 (UTC) == no problem == I see you've removed the image, and I understand that's the best thing to do. I'm uploading original art now. [[User:Ckeit002|Ckeit002]] 00:41, 25 September 2007 (UTC) :Great. Thanks! '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 14:29, 25 September 2007 (UTC) == Moving page == I think I should change the title of the biostatistics book to "Biostatistics with R". But I don't know how to moving pages. Three pages in total. Can you help me on this? [[User:Chainsawriot|Chainsawriot]] 03:07, 25 September 2007 (UTC) :At the top of each page, there is a ''move'' tab. Click that, enter the new page name (make sure you follow [[WB:NP|the naming policy]]), enter a reason (ie. "per <nowiki>[[WB:NP]]</nowiki>"), make sure that the "move associated talk page" box is checked, and hit "Move page". If you need anything else, just ask. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 14:29, 25 September 2007 (UTC) == Ready for another run == Not as many pages this time, but it's still easier for you than I (hopefully): # Set bot to track [[v:Category:BCP/Basal leaves only]], and replace <nowiki>[[Category:BCP/Basal leaves only|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]] with {{bcp/basal leaves only}}</nowiki> # Set bot to track [[v:Category:BCP/Opposite leaves]], and replace <nowiki>[[Category:BCP/Opposite leaves|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]] with {{bcp/opposite leaves}}</nowiki> # Set bot to track [[v:Category:BCP/Alternate leaves]], and replace <nowiki>[[Category:BCP/Alternate leaves|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]] with {{bcp/alternate leaves}}</nowiki> # Set bot to track [[v:Category:BCP/Whorled leaves]], and replace <nowiki>[[Category:BCP/Whorled leaves|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]] with {{bcp/whorled leaves}}</nowiki> The templates are set to tracking category only, again [[v:Category:BCP/Leaf arrangement included]] BTW, would you mind making a second account for this on wikiversity so we can flag as a bot account? --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 11:59, 26 September 2007 (UTC) :Request for bot flag is [[v:Wikiversity:Bots/Status#Mike's bot account|here]]. Do you want me to do the edits now, or wait for the flag? '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:30, 26 September 2007 (UTC) :Nah, it's just a formality. Please go ahead and do the AWB run... the flag really makes no difference to anyone but the RC patrollers, which is a pretty small group :). --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 19:29, 26 September 2007 (UTC) {{done}} '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:45, 26 September 2007 (UTC) ::Thanks again :). That's probably the last run for a month or so at least. --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 06:50, 27 September 2007 (UTC) == Image Tags == If an image is compiled from a purchased software program stock photos, how do I tag it? <small>—The preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Lczernia|Lczernia]] ([[User talk:Lczernia|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lczernia|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small> :I think stock photos are generally copyrighted. If that's true, then the image will have to be deleted. Instead, try searching for properly-licensed images on [[commons:Main Page|Commons]]. You can use any image you find there as if it were local - no change in syntax is required. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:32, 26 September 2007 (UTC) == tab problem == Interesting catch on the tab problem for usernames such as "Mike's". Did you happen to notice if this problem also existed before [http://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Nstab-user&diff=prev&oldid=163531 this edit]? --[[User:JWSchmidt|JWSurf]] 20:38, 26 September 2007 (UTC) I've '''fixed''' the problem. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 21:52, 26 September 2007 (UTC) ==Soc and Cult Foundations of Education== Hello Mike, Thanks for the warning. I forwarded your comment to the students and hopefully we have fixed the issue. Please let us know if you find any other problems. I have told the students to contact you with questions. We are sorry for the consistent picture problems each semester. We are working on a permanent solution. Have a great weekend! [[User:Jkauf007|Jkauf007]] 16:48, 28 September 2007 (UTC) :Thanks for your help. I'm going to try to get a few of the regulars to put together a better manual for school projects, to deal with stuff like this specifically. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:50, 28 September 2007 (UTC) == Please check your mail.... == Please check your mail at Wikiversity. Please do NOT use this address for your mail from Wikiversity since this page is hidden from the watch pages of Wikiversity. It is inappropriate for you to hide your activity at Wikiversity by requiring your mail to be sent to this location. <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> [[User:Robert Elliott|Robert Elliott]] 01:39, 29 September 2007 (UTC) :I don't ''require'' you to do anything. You're more than welcome to leave me messages at en.wv. I'm simply giving fair warning that I'm not active there, and that if you want a more prompt response, you'll do better leaving me a message here. This would be a case in point. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:56, 29 September 2007 (UTC) == New "image rights" question at Wikiversity == Please look at a new "image rights" question at [[v:Wikiversity:Colloquium#Image license - Human likeness|Wikiversity Colloquium - '''"Image license - Human likeness"''']] about the use of screen shots from a school motion picture to identify the characters in movie for a lesson at Wikiversity about the movie. The pictures will be used with the permission of the movie's instructor (John Marsh at Community College of Southern Nevada) who does '''not''' want the pictures used for any commercial purpose but will allow Wikiversity to use the photos (screen shots) from the movie for educational purposes. '''What is the correct license for this?''' <nowiki>~~~ </nowiki>[[User:Robert Elliott|Robert Elliott]] 01:44, 30 September 2007 (UTC) :Any license specifying non-commercial use only is GFDL-incompatible. Fair use would be your only alternative. For licensing questions, your best bet will always be to ask at [[commons:Main Page|Commons]] - they deal only with images, so they really know their stuff. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 14:44, 30 September 2007 (UTC) == Re: Image Problems == I updated the license on that [[:Image:Blender3DNoobToPro-Texturing the Terrain 03.jpg|photo that you mentioned]], but it still says it is missing the license information. However, when I go to the unlicensed tab in my user page, it doesn't show up. Not sure what's happening there. And is this the appropriate way to respond to a message someone has left me, or should I respond under their comment in my own talk? I'm new to the whole wiki process. Thanks. [[User:Moohasha|Moohasha]] 11:56, 2 October 2007 (UTC) :It looks like all you did was upload another version of the image with the edit summary ''"updating license info"''. That doesn't actually do anything - to update the info, go to the image page, hit ''edit this page'' at the top, and replace the no license template with the license template you want to release the image under. License tags can be found [[WB:ICT|here]]. :The no license template looks something like this: <pre>{{#ifeq:| |{{no license|month=October|day=1|year=2007}}| <span style="font-size:large; color:red">'''You forgot to subst this template. Replace {{tlx|nld}} with {{tlxs|nld}}'''</span>}}</pre> :If you need further help, just ask again here. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 14:41, 2 October 2007 (UTC) ::Okay, I get it now. The first time I updated it I didn't just upload a new version, I selected a licensing option from the drop down menu. Does this not have the same effect as what you're saying to do? If not, what is the purpose of the licensing menu when uploading an image? [[User:Moohasha|Moohasha]] 16:43, 2 October 2007 (UTC) :::I was under the impression that the drop-down would automatically add the selected license template. It may be that it only works for the initial upload? I'll post something at [[WB:AN]]; I think someone fiddled with that drop-down a while back. To be safe, you should manually change the template from no license to whichever it's supposed to be. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:46, 2 October 2007 (UTC) :::PS [[:Image:Blender3DNoobToPro-Texturing the Terrain 03.jpg|the image]] looks perfect now. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:48, 2 October 2007 (UTC) == Apology on XForms Image == Sorry about that. I believe I have put in the right license this time. Thanks for all your help. - Dan --[[User:Dmccreary|Dmccreary]] 14:12, 2 October 2007 (UTC) 7freasfeuxfupdhbaz7tcqdhiyzkfk2 3 136489 4654253 1005488 2026-07-12T18:33:27Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654253 wikitext text/x-wiki <[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 4|older]] [[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 6|newer]]> {{Talkarchive}} {{-}} == AWB run through what links here pages == Could you run AWB through all "what links here" pages of the templates located in [[:Category:User warning templates]] and subst any use of the template on user talk pages? There are a lot of them. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 23:35, 3 October 2007 (UTC) :Good idea. In progress. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:37, 4 October 2007 (UTC) ::Not every single template in existence needs to be subst'ed. I rolled back some of your bot's subst of unsigned on pages I got in my watchlist, but there are probably a million other places unsigned is too used. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 18:04, 4 October 2007 (UTC) :::I thought it made sense to substitute {{tlx|unsigned}} - should it not be? If there's some functionality that's broken by substituting it, I'll undo all those edits. I apologize if substituting that template was a mistake. Were any others substituted that should not have been? '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:46, 4 October 2007 (UTC) ::::I guess we disagree there. Thats the only one that I saw that I thought didn't need to be done and didn't serve any purpose in doing. I don't think its normally substited. I know I never have. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 21:35, 4 October 2007 (UTC) == Bot Flag == Just to let you know, i've given your bot an emergency flag for the duration of your job. Let me know when you are finished so I can take it off again. We can start a discussion on RFA about getting you the flag on a more permanent basis, especially now that we've seen a demonstration of what it is capable of. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 01:29, 4 October 2007 (UTC) :Sure thing. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:32, 4 October 2007 (UTC) :Thanks! you did a good job tonight, you and your bot are a formidable team! When are you going to get back to work? If there is a lot more to do and you intend to get back to it soon, maybe you should keep the flag for a little bit longer. No sense cluttering the logs unnecessarily if you are just going to be getting it back anyway. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 02:09, 4 October 2007 (UTC) ::I'll probably finish tomorrow afternoon after my tutorial. I'll keep it till after that run than? '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 04:00, 4 October 2007 (UTC) == Got time for another run on WV? == A bigger one this time :). <s> #Following [[v:Category:BCP/SEPA/1]], please replace <nowiki>[[Category:BCP/SEPA/1|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]] with {{bcp/sepa/1}}</nowiki> #Following [[v:Category:BCP/SEPA/3]], please replace <nowiki>[[Category:BCP/SEPA/3|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]] with {{bcp/sepa/3}}</nowiki> #Following [[v:Category:BCP/SEPA/4]], please replace <nowiki>[[Category:BCP/SEPA/4|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]] with {{bcp/sepa/4}}</nowiki> #Following [[v:Category:BCP/SEPA/5]], please replace <nowiki>[[Category:BCP/SEPA/5|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]] with {{bcp/sepa/5}}</nowiki> #Following [[v:Category:BCP/SEPA/6]], please replace <nowiki>[[Category:BCP/SEPA/6|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]] with {{bcp/sepa/6}}</nowiki> #Following [[v:Category:BCP/SEPA/7]], please replace <nowiki>[[Category:BCP/SEPA/7|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]] with {{bcp/sepa/7}}</nowiki> #Following [[v:Category:BCP/SEPA/8]], please replace <nowiki>[[Category:BCP/SEPA/8|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]] with {{bcp/sepa/8}}</nowiki> #Following [[v:Category:BCP/SEPA/9]], please replace <nowiki>[[Category:BCP/SEPA/9|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]] with {{bcp/sepa/9}}</nowiki> #Following [[v:Category:BCP/SEPA/GP]], please replace <nowiki>[[Category:BCP/SEPA/GP|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]] with {{bcp/sepa/gp}}</nowiki> #Following [[v:Category:BCP/SEPA/NP]], please replace <nowiki>[[Category:BCP/SEPA/NP|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]] with {{bcp/sepa/np}}</nowiki> #Following [[v:Category:BCP/SEPA/IP]], please replace <nowiki>[[Category:BCP/SEPA/IP|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]] with {{bcp/sepa/ip}}</nowiki> </s> The templates are currently set to re-categorize all those pages into [[v:Category:BCP/SEPA/temp]], so you can track progress by checking to see if the numbered categories are empty. (There are no plants in [[v:Category:BCP/SEPA/2]], and [[v:Category:BCP/SEPA/10]] already uses a template) I'll be mostly AFK for the next few days, so if there's a problem, I might take a bit to get back to you. Thanks in advance! --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 10:55, 5 October 2007 (UTC) :{{done}} '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:47, 6 October 2007 (UTC) == query notice == I like it Mike but could we make the name shorter? I can type qr-em blindfold but maybe not a longer one!! Cheers --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 15:55, 6 October 2007 (UTC) :Feel free to rename leaving a redirect, or create a redirect from whatever you want. I prefer things that are easy to remember, which usually means full words. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:57, 6 October 2007 (UTC) == Deleted? == Hello. I'm sorry if I am bugging you, but why was "Skateboarding" deleted? I don't see how that is not suitable for Wikibooks. [[User:Fruit Boy|Fruit Boy]] 01:19, 7 October 2007 (UTC) :It certainly doesn't look like a topic that could ever form a textbook. I've restored it for you; please lay out the organizational structure of the book to clarify it's scope, audience etc. Please review [[WB:WIW]] to guide the process so you can create a textbook as opposed to an [[w:Skateboarding|encyclopedia article]]. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC) == copyright problems... == hi, I got a few mails from you concerning copyright problems of some pictures I uploaded on: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cognitive_Psychology_and_Cognitive_Neuroscience/Reasoning_and_Decision_Making I just changed the picture information of the pictures and I hope this is allright now. please write me back if there are still problems with any of the pictures on this site...thank you. <small>—The preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Maltewoest|Maltewoest]] ([[User talk:Maltewoest|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Maltewoest|contribs]]) 12:43, October 7, 2007.</small> Same book as mentioned above: Thanks a lot for changing the image into a wikitable.... I didn't know how to do that. Nevertheless, we also got a "permission" by the Author of the book we refer to, although he does not hold the copyrights. greets [[User:Jherding|Jherding]] 15:36, 13 October 2007 (UTC) :FYI: Permission must come from the copyright holder. If you need other images of text converted to tables etc. just let me know. Also, if any images with unknown license information get deleted, leaving redlinks in your book, that were text, please let me know so I can rebuild the content. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:41, 13 October 2007 (UTC) == ETC == ''Might'' be a class project I think - cheers --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 18:00, 7 October 2007 (UTC) :Thx. I'll keep an eye on it & will give some extra time '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:02, 7 October 2007 (UTC) == Re:mbox == Fixed the problem through a little sluthing. On wikiversity, the "metadata" CSS class was defined as "display: none" To solve the problem, i simply removed the metadata class from the template. Should work fine now, but you may want to double-check that all the images used by the template are properly uploaded to wikiversity (or new images be specified). --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 02:56, 8 October 2007 (UTC) :Yes, images were next on my list to check. Thanks for the debug. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:58, 8 October 2007 (UTC) == Re:Image == No, i never was able to get concrete information about this particular image. Here is what I do know: The image was licensed for use in the online ebook. Before being donated to Wikibooks, I told the owners of that ebook to ensure all text and images were released under a suitable license. They told me this has happened, and they uploaded the text and images. However, I have not received any "evidence" that this particular image has been released by it's author for use on Wikibooks (especially since this same image is listed as being copywritten on another website). I dont know what to make of it, we could assume it is properly licensed (which it very well may be), or we can assume it is not licensed because we have no proof of it. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 20:42, 10 October 2007 (UTC) :Well it's not being used anyways, so I'm deleting it. If it is licensed appropriately, they can re-upload it with the info. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:44, 10 October 2007 (UTC) == What do you mean? == Are you saying I should put more on the page before submitting it? What do you mean? I don't exactly understand "big words" yet. <small>—The preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Fruit Boy|Fruit Boy]] ([[User talk:Fruit Boy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fruit Boy|contribs]]) 22:15, October 10, 2007.</small> :I deleted it initially because it's not a textbook, and I don't think it ever will be. As it stands now, it could be [[WB:DP|speedily deleted]]. Please give an organizational structure (outline) for the book so I know whether what you're planning fits within [[WB:WIW|project scope]]. This is all explained on your talk page already, and uses no "big words." Please remember to sign your posts with 4 tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC) ::Sorry, I contribute to wikiHow, so It's hard getting used to the way everyone contributes here. But I think I understand it now. [[User:Fruit Boy|Fruit Boy]] 18:09, 13 October 2007 (UTC) == Next victims... :) == It's New Hampshire's turn... the templates are turning out to be ''much'' better than the categories. Not as many months or plants this time, but here's the list: <s> #Following [[v:Category:BCP/NHAMP/7]], please replace <nowiki>[[Category:BCP/NHAMP/7|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]] with {{bcp/nhamp/7}}</nowiki> #Following [[v:Category:BCP/NHAMP/8]], please replace <nowiki>[[Category:BCP/NHAMP/8|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]] with {{bcp/nhamp/8}}</nowiki> #Following [[v:Category:BCP/NHAMP/9]], please replace <nowiki>[[Category:BCP/NHAMP/9|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]] with {{bcp/nhamp/9}}</nowiki> #Following [[v:Category:BCP/NHAMP/10]], please replace <nowiki>[[Category:BCP/NHAMP/10|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]] with {{bcp/nhamp/10}}</nowiki> </s> I'll turn off the categorization in the templates for now so the bot doesn't get false positives. You can check results using [[v:Category:BCP/Flora of New Hampshire]]. Thanks again! BTW, I'll flag your account here now (as bot, not as sysop), as there don't seem to be any strong objections. --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 09:06, 11 October 2007 (UTC) :Thanks. This will have to wait till later today; I have an exam I need to cram for :P '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 14:37, 11 October 2007 (UTC) :{{done}} - I needed a break. Please double-check [[v:BCP/Hamamelis virginiana]] & [[v:BCP/Prunella vulgaris]], as I did those by hand. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:55, 11 October 2007 (UTC) == Wikimedia How To Book== Hello Mike.lifeguard! Thanks for your help, but I think that you misunderstood me. I was trying to make a clever subtitle to clarify my meaning, but obviously it didn't work. I was making a request for a wikibook about advanced template usage. Yes I know that you have a [[Help:Advanced_templates|page]] on this topic. I was asking for a book because it is a different format than a wiki and I thought that it would be easier to understand than to surf for content. However if it isn't in Wikibook's policy to make wikibooks about wikimedia, then forget about it. Thanks<br> RH [[User:Rozzychan|Rozzychan]] 21:48, 11 October 2007 (UTC) :I did misunderstand you. We have a book [[Using Wikibooks|here]] you may be interested in contributing to. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:00, 11 October 2007 (UTC) == Hardcore vandals == If someone is leaving swastikas all over the place, please block them indef. That guy hit a number of other projects too... your friendly neighborhood checkusers are on the prowl now. --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 00:02, 12 October 2007 (UTC) :Only too happy to do just that! '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:03, 12 October 2007 (UTC) ::OK. Keep in mind that if someone obviously knows what they're doing and is up to no good, it's better to just be rid of them. Not that they won't be back shortly with another account, but you'd feel awfully silly if someone came back from a brief block and went at it again :). When it's an attack account like that, you might also want to send an email to me or herby for cross-wiki tracking. --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 00:15, 12 October 2007 (UTC) :::Sure thing. As well, would you educate me on the open proxies thing at meta? I see these links all over the block logs, but the page linked doesn't really explain anything useful. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:17, 12 October 2007 (UTC) I would suggest reading [[WB:DWV]] to understand when it may be a good idea to block indef or not. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 00:20, 12 October 2007 (UTC) == UNDP-APDIP images == I do not have permission notification to provide you regarding the popealien image. However, as per my discussion with Whiteknight, he placed a message in my user profile that enables me to upload information using the Creative Common Attributes license. I believe this would enable me to use the copyright image as the publications are the property of the owner (i.e. UNDP-APDIP)? Thanks. <small>—The preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Sjjupadhyay|Sjjupadhyay]] ([[User talk:Sjjupadhyay|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sjjupadhyay|contribs]]) 23:29, October 11, 2007.</small> :That declaration is fine. I'll undelete the image imminently. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:31, 12 October 2007 (UTC) == Categorization Script == I see you're trying out my categorization script. All my scripts are works in progress, so let me know if there is a problem, or a missing feature, or anything else. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 14:17, 12 October 2007 (UTC) :The only thing I can think of (which may or may not be possible/feasible) is to create a tool to put books onto Subject: pages. It would have to run off a list of current pages in that namespace somehow, so you don't try to put it on nonexistent pages. You'd choose a top-level subject, then follow it down into the hierarchy (along multiple paths, since many/most books belong on multiple Subject: pages) and choose pages for it to show up on. Then the output would be {{tlx|Subject|Choice 1(a top-level subject)|Choice 2(maybe something more specific)|Choice 3 (highly specific)}}, which can then get added to the bottom of the book page. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:25, 12 October 2007 (UTC) == User block == Looking around Mike you may want to make that indef. Vandal source across wikis and accounts created on books before for vandalism - up to you - cheers --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 17:09, 12 October 2007 (UTC) == [[Wikibooks:Blocking guideline]] == You should publicize the vote on the Reading Rooms and change the required pages to mirror the new status of the proposal, by moving to enforce I take it you wish to make the guideline a policy (you should probably word it clearly). I have added information on the version you are moving to enforce on the talk page. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] 17:56, 12 October 2007 (UTC) :Thanks for the reminder. I added a notice at [[WB:BB]]. This is a proposed guideline, and, if enforced, would be a guideline (''not'' a policy) as is clearly stated in <s>the template on {{tlx|proposed}}</s> page's title and in my [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks_talk:Blocking_guideline&diff=1001197&oldid=1001181 move to enforce]. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:06, 12 October 2007 (UTC) ::See [[Wikibooks:Policies and guidelines/Vote]] also... It would have been probably more productive ,if you had asked first for any objection before starting the pool again. I haven't checked yet your changes yet, did you address some of the points raised earlier ? (I voted in favor last time) --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] 18:26, 12 October 2007 (UTC) :::Yes, I saw that. That's why I took a look at the proposed guideline, made 1 minor change and moved to enforce it. I think all the concerns have already been addressed on the talk page, including those in the archive. The only outstanding issue I could envision being a sticking point is that of sock puppets. In that case, there seems to be a consensus that a)this is a guideline, so there's room for leeway and b)blocking would apply to bad faith sockpuppets of the type mentioned - those used for astroturfing, evading blocks, violating policies or guidelines in some other way. As well, the wording on "be bold" seems reasonably clear - blocking is '''not''' a place to be bold. Admins should not change another admin's block with the usual exceptions. Finally, a guideline on cross-wiki vandalism was added, which addresses the issue nicely, IMHO. I'd rather see discussion of the proposal take place on it's talk page instead of here, however. If you have concerns with it, make them known in the appropriate location. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:36, 12 October 2007 (UTC) ::::Even if you don't intent to use the other location, shouldn't you indicate more or less the same information (especially the very important end date for the voting) ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] 19:27, 12 October 2007 (UTC) :::::What end date? '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:29, 12 October 2007 (UTC) ::::::For the pool and confirming the outcome... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] 19:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC) reset I assume you mean that there should be some particular end date for voting and discussion? I don't think that's the case. If you like, add some end date, but I intend to discuss and make changes toward achieving consensus until we succeed or fail - ''not'' until some arbitrary deadline. [[Wikibooks:Decision making]] makes no mention of deadlines, so I see no need. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:39, 12 October 2007 (UTC) :It is not so black and white. But check out the the previous votes to see how we have done them so far, setting a limiting date is useful to determine non opposition or force people to get involved and take action if the decission is pending against their wishes. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] 19:45, 12 October 2007 (UTC) ::Then '''be bold'''. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:46, 12 October 2007 (UTC) :::Done. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] 19:59, 12 October 2007 (UTC) == [[:Image:Game theory.JPG]] == I don't understand, what do you expect me to do with these images? --[[User:Derbeth|Derbeth]] [[User talk:Derbeth|<sup>talk</sup>]] 10:40, 13 October 2007 (UTC) :You had restored them <s>so license info could be added</s> "to create a free-licensed equivalent". I wanted to double-check with you before deleting them. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:14, 13 October 2007 (UTC) :: I have just deleted them. User, who wanted to create such equivalents, hasn't made any edits for a long time. --[[User:Derbeth|Derbeth]] [[User talk:Derbeth|<sup>talk</sup>]] 09:25, 14 October 2007 (UTC) == Poor little lost Gregorovitch == Read the note on Withinfocus' page. I've marked that speedy, and am now in the process of creating a real page in the Muggles' Guide for Gregorovitch. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 18:59, 13 October 2007 (UTC) 8wphzxgq0o5ipahox08kh9n61ush0lo 0 136979 4654285 4633357 2026-07-13T08:18:36Z ~2026-39563-79 3614016 i added a name 4654285 wikitext text/x-wiki == Organization note == This list of general girls' names is divided into three tiers. In the first tier are roughly the top 400 names among girls of high school age in the past few decades. In the second tier are other names you might run into more than once in your lifetime. Unusual names go into the third tier. Before adding a name, please check all three tiers to make sure it is not already on the list. If the name you are adding is an uncommon name, you might consider adding it to one of the other lists at [[Writing Adolescent Fiction/Character names|Character names]] instead. == Common names == # Amara # Ziara # Allysandra # Anna Beth # Anja/Anya # Anny # Aura # Aila # Aaliyah/Aliyah # Abigail # Abby # Audrey/Aubrey # Adeline/Adele # Aisha # Ariel # Alisha # Alicia # Alyce/Alice # Andye/Andra # Ashly/Ashley # Ashlyn # Ashylinelle/Ashylinea # Alana # Alexa/Alex # Alexandria # Alexis/Lexi # Alicia/Alisha/Alesha/Elisha # Allison/Alison # Althea # Alyssa/Alissa/Alessia/Elyssa/Ilyssa/Elissa # Amanda/Mandy/Mandi # Amberline/Amber # Amelia/Emilia # Ally/Allie/Aly/Alyson/Alle # Amy # Ana # Anna # Andrea/Andy # Angel/Angleia # Angela/Angie # Angelica/Angie # Andi # Angelina # Asala # Anika # Anita # Annabeth # Annastasia/Anna/Anastasia/Ana/Anya/Nastya # Anne/Ann/Annie # Annette # Annica # April # Ariana/Arianna/Aria/Ari/Arya # Ashley/Ashleigh/Ashlie # Aubrey/Aubree/Aubrinna/Aubria/Aubrianna # Athena # Autumn # Ava # Avery # Barbara/Barb/Barbie # Becky/Becca # Bethany/Beth # Bianca # Bessie/Blessie/Bess # Blaire # Bonnie # Brandy # Breanna/Brianna/Briana/Bryanna/Breana/Bryana/BreAnna # Breanne # Brenda # Bridget # Brittany/Britney/Brittney # Briella # Brooke/Brookelyn # Beulah # Clarissa/Clary/Clarisse # Caitlin/Katelyn/Kaitlyn/Caitlyn/Kaitlin # Cadence # Candace # Cali/Callie/Calli/Kali # Carla/Karla # Carly # Cathy # Carrie # Carol # Caroline # Carolyn # Carmen # Carrington/Kerrington # Cassandra/Cassie/Cassy/Cass # Charlie/Charley/Charlee # Cecilia/Celcile # Celestia/Celeste # Cory/Corey # Chelsea # Cheryl # Cheyenne # Chloe # Christina/Cristina/Kristina/Crissy # Christine # Cindy/Cyndi # Cinder # Claire/Clare # Clara/Cara # Claudia # Colette # Charlene/Char # Charlotte/Charlie # Colleen/Koleen # Constance/Connie # Consuelo # Camilla # Calorine # Corinne # Courtney # Crystal # Cynthia # Daisy # Dana # Diana # Danielle # Darcy # Daria # Darlene # Dawn # Deanna # Dalia # Delaney/Delanie/Delaine/Delanee # Denise # Desiree/Desirae/Desiray # Destine # Destiny # Devon # Diana # Dolores # Dominique # Donna # Ebony # Eileen/Aileen # Elaine # Elena/Elana/Elaina/Alayna # Elisa # Elizabeth/Ellie/Beth/Liz/Lizzy/Lizzie/Libby/Eliza # Ella/Ellie # Ellen # Elva # Emily # Emma # Emmalyn # Erica/Erika # Erin # Eva/Eve/Ava # Evangeline # Evelyn # Faith # Fiona # Flora/Flor # Felicity # Felicia # Francesca/Francisca # Gabriela/Gabriella # Gabrielle # Gina/Geena/Gianna # Gloria # Grace # Gwendolyn/Gwen/Gwyneth # Hayley/Hailey/Hailee # Haley/Hallie # Hannah/Han # Hazel # Heather # Heidi # Helen # Helene # Hillary/Hilary # Holly # Hope # Iman # Ingrid # Irene # Iris # Irish # Isabella/Isabelle/Isabela # Ivy # Junee / Junie # Jasmine # Jacinda # Jaclyn/Jacqueline/Jacquelyn/Jacklyn/Jackie # Jaiden # Jamie # Jana # Jane # Janelle # Janet # Janice/Janis # Janine # Jay/Jai # Jean # Jeanette/Jeannette # Jeanine # Jeanne # Jemima/Jemimah # Jenna # Jennifer/Jenny/Jen # Jessica/Jessie/Jess # Jillian/Jill/Gillian # Josie/Josephine/Jose # Joe # Josette/Josie # Joan # Jalisa # Joanne/Joanna # Jodi/Jody # Johanna # Joni # Jordan # Jordyn # Juanita # Judith/Judy/Judi # Julith # Julia/Juliya/Julie # Katie/Kati # Kinn # Kira # Kiara # Kalah # Karen # Kari/Kerri/Carey # Kathleen/Kathy # Katrina # Kayla # Kaya # Kaylee/Kayleigh/Kalie/Kaley # Keisha # Kelly/Kellie/Kelley/Kelli # Kelsey # Kendra # Keya # Kinsley/Kinzley/Kinzlee/Kinsleigh # Kimberly/Kimi/Kimmy/Kimbo # Kili/keily/kilie/kielie # Kirsten/Kiersten # Krista/Christa # Kristen/Kristin # Kylee/Kylie # Kate # Lorelai # Lacey/Lacy # Laney # Lana # LaBella # LaBelle # Lane/Laine/Lani # Latasha # Latoya # Laura/Laurie # Laurel # Lauren/Laurie # Leah # Leann/Leanne # Leila/Laila/Layla/Leilah # Lena # Leni # Leslie # Letitia # Lia/Lila # Lilia # Lillian # Lily/Lilly/Lili/Lillie # Linda # Lindsay/Lindsey # Lisa # Lola # Lora # Lorena # Loretta # Lori/Lory # Lorraine # Luciana # Louise # Lovell # Luann # Lucy/Luci # Lunar/Luna # Lydia # Lynn # Lynna Beth # Macey/Macie # Mackensie # Mackenzie # Madiha # Matilda # Mae # Mackenna # Maya/Miya # Madeleine/Madeline # Madison # Magdalena # Marci/Marcy # Margaret/Maggie # Margarita # Marinette # Margo # Maria # Mariah # Mariam/Maryam # Marianna # Mariana # Marianne # Mariane # Marie/Maria # Mariel # Marilyn//Maryline # Marion/Marionne/Marian # Marissa/Marisa # Mary # Mary Anne # Mary Beth # Mary Jane # Maureen # Maxine/Max/Maximus # Maya # Meagan/Maegan # Megan/Meghan/Meg/M'gann # Melanie # Melinda # Melissa # Maryellen # Mercedes # Meredith # Mia/Mea # Michaela/Mikayla/Makayla/McKayla/Micaela # Michelle # Mindy # Minzy/Minsy # Miranda # Mirabelle # Miriam # Mirajane # Misty # Molly/Mollie # Monica # Monique # Morgan # Nadia # Nagini # Nadine # Nancy # Naiya/Nai # Naomi # Natalie/Nat/Natty/Nattie/Natt/Natti # Natasha/Tasha # Nicole # Nina # Niya # Noelle # Nora # Noreen # Nova # Olivia/Livia # Ophelia # Parlee # Paige # Pamela/Pam # Patricia # Peony # Paula # Pauleen/Pauline # Phoebe # Phyllis # Quinn # Quansmah # Rachael # Rachel/Rach # Rae # Raven # Ravena # Rain # Rami # Ramses # Ramona # Raquel/Raquelle # Rebecca/Becky/Becca # Regina # Rutam # Rhiannon/Rhiann # Rhonda # Riley # Rita # Robin/Robyn # Rochelle # Rosa # Rose # Rori # Rosemarie # Roxanne # Ruth # Ruby # Rumi # Sabrina # Samantha/sam # Saria # Sandra # Sandy # Sarah/Sara # Sasha # Savannah/Savanna # Selena # Serena # Shanda # Shannon # Sharon # Shawn # Shawna # Sheena # Sheila # Shelby # Serafina # Shelly/Shelley # Sherry/Shari # Sierra # Sienna # Sinéad # Simoné # Siya # Sky/Skye # Sonia/Sonya/Sonja # Sophia/Sophie/Sofia # Stacey/Stacy # Stephanile/Steph # Summer # Sunny/Sunni # Susan # Susana # Suzanne # Sydney/Sidney # Sylvia # Tabitha/Tabatha # Tamara/Tammy # Tanya # Tara # Taylor # Teresa/Theresa # Terry/Terri # Tiffany # Tammitha # Tammy/Tabatha # Talia # Tracy # Tricia # Trina # Trinety # Trixie # Tyler # Tyleigh # Tessa # Valerie/Vallorie # Vanessa # Veronica # Vera/ Vara/Vero # Victoria # Vicky # Wanda # Wendy # Whitney # Will # Winter # Uri # Zuri # Zaydee/Zaidee/Zaidey/Zaidie/Zaydie/Zaydey # Zoe/Zoey # Zofia/Zofi/Zof/Zo/Zzz # Zara == Other Common Names == # Athenia/Athinia/Athena # Amaya # Aniya # Acacia/Akazia # Ada # Adelita # Ador # Adrianne # Afra # Agatha # Agnes # Aida # Akiko # Alaina # Alana # Alandra # Alanis # Albina # Alejandra # Alessandra # Aletha # Alethia # Alexi # Alexia # Alexa # Alina # Amber # Alisa # Alisha # Aliza # Allegra # Allyn # Alma # Alondra # Alpha # Amalia/Amelie # Amanda Sue # Amara # Amaryllis # Amelita # Amethyst/Amethizt # Amina # Amira # Anais # Analia # Analise/Analisse/Anneliese # Ana Maria # Ananda # Andromeda # Angeles # Angeline # Anissa # Annabel/Annabelle # Annabella # Anna-Maria # Anna Olivia # Antonia # Anya # Aphrodite # Aphelia # April # Aria/Arriah/Ari # Ariel # Arlene # Artemis # Arwen # Aerowen/Aero/Arrow # Asha # Ashby # Ashlyn/Ashlynne # Ashton # Asia # Astro # Aspen # Astrid # Asuna # Audra # Aura # Aurelia # Aurélie # Aurora # Autumn # Avril # Aya # Azure # Baileigh/Bailey/Baylee/Bayleigh # Bari # Basia # Belinda # Bella # Belle # Benita # Brynn/Brin # Bernadette # Bathaba # Beverly # Biana # Billie/Billy # Birgit # Bjorg # Blain/Blaine # Blair/Blaire # Blanca # Blanche # Blossom # Bonita # Braxton # Breck # Bree # Breezy # Brianne # Brigitta # Brigitte # Brina # Bristol # Bronwen/Brownyn # Blaze # Brooklyn # Buffy # Cadence # Cai/Chai # Caitlin/Katelyn # Calista/Callysto # Calla # Camilla # Cam # Camille # Cara # Carmelita # Carola # Carole # Carolina # Caryn # Casey # Callie # Calaban # Cameron # Cassidy # Catalina # Catherine # Catriona # Ceara # Celeste # Celia # Chanda # Catherine # Chandra # Chantal # Charis # Charity # Charla # Charlene # Charlize # Charmaine # Charné/Charnay/Chané/Sharnay/Shané/Sharné/Shenae # Chasity # Chastity # Cher # Celine # Cheri/Cherry # China # Chiquita # Chita/Cheeta # Chlorine # Chinga # Christelle # Christiana # Christianne # Christienne # Clara # Claudette # Claudine # Cleo/Chléo # Cleopatra # Colby/Colbie # Concepción # Concetta # Concha/Conchita # Consuela # Contessa # Cora # Coraline # Cosette # Courtlynn # Crescent/Cress # Cristina # Dagmar # Dahlia # Dalia # dakayla # Damaris # Danell/Danelle # Danica # Daniela/Daniella/Dani # Daphne # Dara # Darby # Darci # Darla # Diana # Delilah # Davida # Deana # Deandra # Deanne/Deane # DeeDee # Deena # Deirdre # Delilah/Delila # Della # Delma # Deloris # Demetria/Demi # Dena # Denisha # Desdemona # Devika # Dharma # Dexas # Diamond # Dina # Dora # Doreen # Dorianne # Dorothy # Drucilla # Dusty # Eden # Edith # Ekaterini # Elaina # Electra/Elektra # Eleni # Elham # Eppi # Elise/Elyse # Elissa # Eliza # Ellery # Ellen # Elnora # Elsha # Elvira # Emerald # Elenor # Emery/Emmarie/Emory # Emilia # Emmaline # Engracia # Enya # Esmeralda # Esperanza # Estefani # Estella # Estelle # Etta # Eudora # Eula # Eufemia # Eulalia # Evangeline # Everliegh # Fabiana # Farah/Farrah # Farida # Fatemeh # Fatima # Faye/Fae # Felicity # Filipa # Flannery # Flavia # Fleur # Flora # Florence # Florida # Frances # Francine # Freda # Falon # Felicity # Fuchsia # Genesis # Geneva # Genevieve # Gennifer # Georgia # Geraldine # Gia # Gurtrude # Ginger # Gioia # Giorgia # Giselle # Gita/Geeta # Giulia # Glenda # Glorianne # Gretchen # Guadalupe # Halle/Hallie # Happy # Harley # Harriet # Harnold # Haven # Hazel # Heaven # Helena # Hermione # Hilda # Honey # Idina # Iesha # Ilana # Ilena # Ilona # Ilse # Imogene # Ina # Ines # India # Isabel # Isadora # Ivana # Ivy # Irissa # Jacinta # Jacquline # Jada/Jayda # Jade # Jesus # Jaimee # Jamila # Joanne # Jan # Janae # Janeane # Janessa # Janine # Jasmin # Jaya # Jayne # Jeanna # Jemma/Gemma # Jenee # Jenelle # Jenine # Jennica # Jewel # Joelle # Joellen/Joellyn # Johnnie # Jolanda # Jolene/Jolleen # Jo Marie # Jorien # Josefina # Josephine/Jo # JoJo/Jojo # Joy # Joyce # Joycelyn # Juana # Julia # Julianna # Julianne # Julienne # Juliet # Juliette # Julina # Juline # June # Justice # Kaede # Kami # Kenzy # Kamila # Karida # Karima # Kate # Kanie # Karl # Karly # Kone # Karina # Karma # Kenzy # Karoline # Karyn # Kassandra # Katarina/Kat/Katy/Katia/Katerina/Kathe/Katharina # Kay/Kaye # Keeley/Keely # Keiko # Keilana/Kaylana # Kendall/Kendyll # Kenna # Kennedy # Keshia # Keyesha # Kevin # Khalida # Kiarrianna # Kiera # Kioko # Kira # Krishna # Krystal # Krystle # Kyler # Liberty # Libby # Lily # Lyla # Larlyiagatha # Large # Lara # Larissa # Lazari/Laz/Lazzy # Latifah # Laureen # Lavelle # Lavender/Lavendar # Laverne # Layne # Lea # Leanna # Lee/Leigh # Leigha # Leilani # Lela # Leliah # Lenora # Lenore # Leola # Leona # Leontine # Leora # Leticia # Letty # Liana # Licia/Lice # Liesl/Lisl # Life # Lilac # Liliana # Lilith # Lilli # Lillian # Lina # Lisbet # Lisette/Lissette # Livona # Luz # Lizabeth # Lizabetha # Lizbeth # Logan # Lois # Lolita # Lorelei # LoriBeth # Lorna # Louella # Lourdes # Love # Luanne # Lucia # Luciana # Lucille # Lucinda # Lucrecia # Lucretia # Luisa # Luise # Lula # Luminous # Luna # Lurlene # Luz # Lynette # Lynsey # Lyra # Madonna # Madina/Madiena/Madena/Madeena # Maeve # Magenta # Malaysia # Malina # Mallory # Manda # Manuela # Mara # Marcela/Marcella # Marcia/Marsha # Maren # Margit # Marguerite # Mari # Mariana # Maribel # Maribeth # Marietta # Marilou # Marina # Marisa # Marisol # Marita # Mariya # Marjorie/Marjore # Marlene # Martha # Maryam # Mary Ellen # Mary Jo # Mary Kate # Mary Kay # Mary Lou # Mary Louise # Maja (Maya) # Masha # Mattie # Maura # Mavis # May # Maybelle/Mabel/Maybel/Maibelle/Maybull # McKenzie/Mackenzie/Mack/Mac/Makenzie/Kenzie/Mackinzie # Mcayla # Melody # Melora # Mia # Micah # Michal # Michèle # Mieke # Mimi # Millie # Ming # Mira/Meera # Mitra # Mitzi # Moira # Mona # Moon # Morag # Mya # Myra # Na’ama # Nadira # Nadya # Nafisa # Nafisha # Natalie # Nahal # Najwa # Nanette # Narcissa # Natalia # Natane # Nathalie # Nathana # Nettie # Nevada # Neve # Niamh # Nichole # Nicolette/Nicoletta # Nikhila # Nirvana # Nita # Niva # Noah # Noelia # Noemi # Nona # Norma # Odessa # Odile # Olga # Olive # Olympia/Olimpya # Paola # Paris # Parker # Pasha # Patience # Patrice # Paulette # Paulina # Pauline # Payton # Paz # Police # Pearl # Penelope/Penny # Perpetua # Petra # Peyton # Philippa/Pippa # Phylicia # Pia # Pip # Polly # Poppy # Portia # Prudence # Quincy/Quincie # Rae/Ray # Rafaela # Raheema/Raheima # Rainbow # Raja # Rana # Rani # Rashida # Raven # Rayanne # Rayna # Reagan # Reba # Reena # Reese # Reilly # Rena # Renata # Reyna # Rhea # Rhoda # Ria # Ritienne # Roberta/Bobbi # Robi # Romance # Romey # Romina # Rona # Roralie # Rosalia # Rosalie # Rosalind # Rosalyn # Rosa Maria # Rosanna # Roseanne # Rosemary # Rosie # Roslyn # Rowena # Rowan/Rowen # Roxanna # Roxy/Roxie/Roxi # Ruby # Rukhsar # Saba # Sabina # Sabine # Shibani # Sabra # Sade # Sadie # Saffron # Sage # Sahara # Serafina # Salah # Salima # Sally # Samara/Samarah # Sami # Sanya # Sarai # Sari # Sarita # Sasha # Saundra # Scarlett # Schuyler/Skylar/Sky # Shai # Shaina # Shakira # Shalanda # Shalia # Shana # Shandra # Shanna # Shaquita # Sharice/Sherice # Sharita # Sharla # Shayna # Shea # Shelia # Sheryl # Shira/Shirah # Shirley # Shonda # Shoshana # Sia # Sibyllina # Silke # Silvia # Sinead # Siobhan # Siri # Sofie # Sofiya # Soheila/Soheyla # Solange # Sondra # Spencer # Star # Selene # Stefana # Stefanie/Steffi # Stella # Stormy # Sue Ann # Sumi # Sunshine # Suri # Susana # Susannah # Susanne/Susi # Suzette # Sybil/Sibyl # Symmetry/Symetri # Talia/Taliah/Tahlia # Tamar # Taylor # Thoryn # Tameka # Tamika # Tamsyn # Tanesha/Taneisha/Tanisha # Tania # Tara # Taryn # Tatiana/Tania # Tatum # Tera # Teresita # Terra # Tess # Tessa # Thalassa # Thalia # Thea # Tia # Tiana # Tiara # Tierra # Tomorrow # Trini # Trinidad # Trisha # Tsuna # Twyla/Twila # Tyra # Vanda # Vanya # Veena # Venera#Venus # Vera # Viktoria/Viki # Violet # Viva # Vivian/Vivienne/Vivien # Viviana # Vonda # Veronica # Vennessa # Whitney # Whitley # Willow # Windy/Wendy # Winona # Xandra # Ximena # Xochitl # Yahaira # Yasmeen/Yasmin # Yelena # Yoko # Ysabela # Zac # Zelda # Zahra == Unusual names == #Antosia # Akili # Abrianna #April # Acima # Ada # Adaj # Adalyn # Adelaide # Adina # Adonelle # Adonna # Adorna # Adriel # Adrina # Adrienne # Aerriannahi # Afira # Africa # Ainsley # Aira # Alaska # Alba # Alexanderina # Alexina # Alexstrasza # Aleonalu # Alfreda # Aliki # Alise # Alivette # Aljaee # Allesse # Allura # Aloradanna # Alsoha # Alta # Aluna # Alundra # Alvina # Alyce # Alycia # Amaka # Amanda Mae # Amariona # Amyata # Anchal # Andersson # Andrea Rose # Aneris # Aniessa # Anisa # Anisia # AnnaLi # Anna Theresa # Anthem # Aquamarine # Aquanetta # Arabella # Ardith # Arelis # Areona # Ariadne # Arlana # Arlanda # Arlena # Arnetta # Arnoldine # Arrowanna # Aerowen/Arrowen/Arrow # Aruna # Arystina # Arzella # Ashley Katherine # Ashley Nicole # Asia Marie # Athena # Aubrée # Aubrenique # Audreyann # August # Augusta # Auleen # Aumber # Aurea # Austrial # Autumn # Autry # Avia # Avis # Axemia # Ayn # Baiu # Beata # Beaulah # Belicia # Bellanca # Belva # Bentleigh # Berenice # Berkley # Bernadine # Bertha # Bethel # Betsabeth # Bijou # Bindhu # Bindy # Binish # Blessing # Blondeen # Blue # Bobolink # Boston # Brana # Braylynne # Brazil # Brazoria # Brea Lynn # Breighlin # Breset # Briane # Bridgette # Bright # Brin # Brindalyn/Brindalynn # Brindizi # Billie # Brindy # Brisa # Brisel # Brunhilda # Brunhilde # Bryattie # Brylea # Bryndalynn # Cabria # Cadira # Caela # Cairo # Calandra # Clancyu # Calistra # Cally # Calypso # Calphubna # Cambia # Cambria # Canberra # Candia # Candida # Caprece # Caprice # Chia # Care # Carelis # Carina # Carisa # Carlene # Carmella # Caroline # Caria # Caryl #Cersei # Cheryl # Cathalia # Catherine # Catina # Cedar # Cedina # Cesia # Cassiel # Cetavia # Cha Cha # Champagne # Chancella # Chancy # Chanin # Charesse # Charisse # Charm # Cherilynn # Cherry # Chesna # Chionia # Chiya # Chlorina # Christen # Christinik # Chrystelle # Chrystyna # Cinderella # Claireen # Claramae # Clarice # Cleotilde # Clotilda # Coco Lynn # Concordia # Conolyn # Consandra # Corgi # Corine # Cormaine # Corrine # Coryn # Cosmia # Cosmica # Coyla # Crayon # Cresta # Crician # Crista # Cristelle # Curtia # Cydee # Cydney # Cymetria # Cynthria # Cyrena # Dacia # Dacel # Dacquiri # Dadarsay # Dadie # Daecha # Daily # Daiquiri # Dakota # Dalma # Damera # Danaria # Danasia # Dandra # Danea # Danette # Danitra # Dariela # Darienne # Darlin # Davianne # Davita # Davonna # Dayalyn # Dayonna # Deasa # Debrasia # December # Deja # Delanna # Dellia # Delouette # Delphine # Demeka # Denise-Anne # Desire # Desirea # Dessie # Develyn # Diann # Diannah # Diantha # Dilcia # Dilemma # Dinitia # Diona # Dixie # Domingue # Donessa # Donnalyn # Doretha # Dorka # Dottie # Dreama # Drissia # Druzilla # Dysdera # Earlene # Earline # Eartha # Ebba # Eccentricity # Ecclesia # Echo # Edaba # Edriana # Edris # Effie # Elba # Elenora # Eleven # Elevena # Elize # Elma # Elvina # Ember # Emilynne # Emmerson # Endia # Endora # Enid # Enita # Ephra # Ericka # Erickka # Eriel # Erinne # Erla # Erlinda # Erma # Ermentrude # Erminia # Erynn # Eternity # Etilia # Europia # Evalda # Evdokia # Evenicia # Exemia # Exie # Exilda # El # Fabriana # Fallon # Fanta # Fantasia # Faren # Faria # Farrin # Fashawn # Faustine # Favel # Fawn # Fayetta # Fayja # Felipa # Fermina # Ferrel # Fleur # Fleurentina # Floretta # Flossie # Forever # Frankki # Frauke # Future # Gala # Galdina # Galloway # Gamma # Gayla # Gelasia # Gentra # Genesis # Gentry # Gineen # Ginelie # Glimmer # Glory # Grada # Graner # Graphira # Grecia # Grecy # Greer # Grenda # Gussie # Guya # Hadley # Halcyonella # Halena # Halla # Hallie # Halston # Haneen # Hastelia # Hattie # Havanna # Heavenly # Heleen # Helena # Hemma # Hepzibah # Herminia # Hetty # Hiatt # Hildegarde # Hollian # Honoria # Horizon # Hortense # Hortensia # Hulda # Hymothea # Hypatia # Hyperborea # Iana # Iantha # Icess # Ilauoa # Ileene # Ima # Infinity # Iqra # Irisa # Irma # Isariah # Isis # Ismarie # Ita # Italaia # Itzel # Iyonah # Izola # Jacinthe # Jalna # Jamaya # Jamia # Jamiee # Jancis # Janette # Janessa # Janique # Janita # Janneth # Janthina # January # Jasinia # Jawn # Jay # Jaylagh # Jaynelle # Jeanetta # Jeania # Jeneka # Jenika # Jenilee # Jenni Lee # Jerney # Jerrine # Jersey # Jerusha # Jessalin # Jessenia # Jessi # Jettie # Jewels # Jezebel # Jieva # Jinda # Joannah # Joby # Johaunna # Johnetta # Jolaine # Jolena # Jolie # JonBenét # Jonee # Jonelle # Jocelyne # Jordon-Ashley # Jorian # Josie # Josyphene # Joulisa # Jovita # Joyelle # Jubilee # Julivia # Julisa # July # Julynn # Juniah # Junko # Juturna # Kaira # Kamberlyn # Kameron # Kandice # Kansas # Karalee # Karis # Ka'Riya # Karlene # Karlisha # Kasi # Kasmira # Kateri # Kathrine # Kathyria # Kearstin # Kendrah # Kepley # Keturah # Khyla # Kiele # Kiersty # Kist # Kiwanis # Kleis # Klurisa # Kobie # Kora # Korah # Koreena # Korie # Korin/Koryn # Kowyn/Koko # Krissa # Kristi # Kristiana # Kristina # Krizia # Kwanise # Kylynn # Kynedra # Kyla # Kyrah # La # LaDessa # Lafayette # Laisee # Laker # Lala # Lanasia # La Netta # Laramie # Larayne # Laren # Lariah # Larin # Lark # Larkin # La Roe # Latha # Lauralen # Lauralynn # Laurasia # Laurica # Lavonne # Lay # Lazari # Leandra # Leasia # Lemyra # Lesa # Leslie-Belle # Leta # Letha # Liella # Lilibeth # Linae # Linton # Lis # Livia # Liza # Lizeth # Lizina # Lizmarie # Llesenia # Lolly # Lonna # Lorea # Lorelle # Lottie # Loundy # Lovie # Lowell # Loyita # Luciele # Lullabye # Lulu # Lumen # Luscious # Lyceth # Lymari # Lynnette # Lyris # Lyssa # Ma # Macarena # Macrina # Madelia # Magdalene # Magic # Magonia # Mahulda # Mai Mai # Mai # Mairi # Maisie # Maitha # Mamie # Mandalay # Mandeline # Maranda # Marela # Marene # Marestella # Marielle # Marin # Marine # Marinette # Maritza # Malena # Marla # Marlee # Marlena # Marleni # Marlowe # Marlys # Marnetta # Marria # Marsenia # Marty # Marva # Marvel # Marvella # Maryland # Mataya # Mattea # Mattison # Mauve # Mayenna # Maysa # Maysann # McCall # McKee # Meadow # Mecca # Megan Sue # Melanda # Melba # Melecia # Melena # Melva # Menley # Meriah # Merena # Merissa # Merna # Messalina # Meycell # Michael Ann # Michaelina # Mignon # Mikeal # Mikeli # Milan # Milonia # Mima # Minden # Mirage # Miranda Kae # Mirisa # Mistica # M’Liss # Molland # Monasia # Montine # Morah # Moranda # Morelia # Morielle # Mozelle # Muna # Muriel # Mya # Myda # Myrna # Mystery # Mystique # Nada # Nadina # Nafateri # Nagisa # Naida # Naima # Naina # Namrita # Nan # Nancine # Nandina # Nandine # Nanina # Nannatte # Nara # Narcissica # Nareen # Narissica # Narnia # Nashi # Nataleigh # Natane # Navia # Navonna # Nebula # Necia # Nedina # Nefertiti # Nelda # Nenemoosha # Nepheria # Nerrisa # Nesli # Neva # Nevaeh # Nhydia # Nida # Nikita # Nila # Nilda # Noelene # Nola # Nonie # Nordica # Nova # November # Nubia # Nydia # Nylene # Nyssa # Oakley # Ocala # Octavia # Octivy # October # Odyssey # Oklahoma/Okie # Oleta # Olinda # Ollie # Omega # Ondrea # Ontanasia # Oona # Orange # Ordena # Oriette # Orvella # Osberta # Osiris # Ouida # Ousley # Oyra # Pachina # Palma # Pamarista # Pasty # Paulasia # Paulicia # Peggy Sue # Phyra # Pierceton # Porsche # Pretty # Priscillia # Pride # Prin # Prista # Pulcheria # Quaintance # Quateria # QuaYein # Racine # Raissa # Raymelle # Raynell # Rebekah # Reganne # Renatya # Rennae # Retha # Rhapsody # Rhema # Rholonda # Richelle # Rini # Risa # Rockett # Roe # Ronald-Ann # Rosarie # Roseann # Roselia # Roseline # Rosella # Roselle # Rosellen # Rose-Lynn # Rossella # Royben # Rozanne # Rozele # Rudelle # Ruthy # Rydina # Ryesen # Rynn # Sabella # Sadia # Saiyapa # Samaria # Sanana # SanDee # Sandrah # Santina # Sarah Joy # Sarahlyn # Saran # Satchel # Savette # Schauwea # Scotia # Scout # Selene # Senalda # Sendy # Senna # Septatha # September # Seredine # Serenade # Serendipity #Sersi # Sevina # Shait # Shamara # Sharilyn # Sharmin # Sharolyn # Shasta # Shavonne # Shawneen # Shee #Shego # Shelbry # Shenandoah # Sheree # Sherleen # Shiela # Shiila # Shireen # Shreena # Shrina # Sicora # Signy # Sigourney # Silver # Silverina # Siouxsie # Sissy # Sixta # Snow # Socorro # Solace # Solana # Solemnity # Solenne # Solidarity # Solstice # Sommer # Sonata # Sora # Sorrow # Soshie # Sparla # Special # Spring # Starling # Starr # Stavia # Steigh # Sterre # Stesha # Stetson # Story # Stripes # Suellen # Sugar # Sunday # Sunkist # Sunset # Sura # Susquehanna # Suzan # Sweet # Sybilla # Sylah # Symbria # Symetria # Symone # Symphoni # Symphony # Tabria # Tadia # Taes # Taft # Taiba # Talaya # Tamcarolika # Tamiel # Tamra # Tanith # Tantania # Taria # Tarrisyna # Tashara # Tashiana # Taydem # Taydra # Tea # Teal # Tempest # Temple # Tenea # Teneal # Tenille # Tenley # Tessela # Thea # Theola # Thesnelda # Thirza # Threnody # Tibisa # Tijuana # Tillie # Tipper # Tippi # Tomasa # Tona # Tootsie # Torianne # Tornasa # Tosha # Tottiona # Tragedy # Tranlaura # Treva # Triska # Trista # Tristin # Troian # Tuesday # Twilena # Tycelia # Ulma # Umayma # Unity # Ursla # Usha # Utah # Utopia # Vada # Valarie # Valery # Valeska # Vandora # Valkyrie # Vanity # Vanora # Vava # Velnet # Vena # Vendela # Verena # Vernice # Verve # Vestepria # Vesta # Vestepia # Vibra # Victoria Mary # Victrix # Vienna # Vincentia # Vrenda # Vy # Vyan # Vyn # Waverly # Wayla # Wednesday # Wende # Wesley # Westerly # Whelma # Wilda # Willowcahill # Wilona # Winterashia # Wisdom # Witni # Wynter # Wyomia # Xiomara/Xo # Xabeth # Xaphania # Xhana # Xylina # Xylla # Xander # Xylphia # Xyreine # Yadira # Yaretzi/Yara # Yandy # Yosra # Yuridia # Yuriel # Yvet # Zabrina # Zadrima # Zahtavia # Zaida # Zane # Zalgo # Zaida # Zaynah/Zeyna # Zeal # Zelda # Zelia # Zella # Zelma # Zenda # Zephia # Zerlina # Zerlinda # Zilphia # Zimeng # Zlema # Zoe Elizabeth # Zoella # Zola # Zorona # Zozo # Zsa Zsa # Zusette # Zwalina # Zyla # Zyra # Zynn # Zzelle # Zialac # Zane # Zwalalala # Zanderina # Zilana # Zackiya/Zaciya/Zaqiya/Zakaiya # Zamaria {{BookCat}} hdp1odcyjdr401yh2obwb4ye3yzve1o 4654286 4654285 2026-07-13T08:19:13Z ~2026-39563-79 3614016 i deletd a name i accidentally added 4654286 wikitext text/x-wiki == Organization note == This list of general girls' names is divided into three tiers. In the first tier are roughly the top 400 names among girls of high school age in the past few decades. In the second tier are other names you might run into more than once in your lifetime. Unusual names go into the third tier. Before adding a name, please check all three tiers to make sure it is not already on the list. If the name you are adding is an uncommon name, you might consider adding it to one of the other lists at [[Writing Adolescent Fiction/Character names|Character names]] instead. == Common names == # Amara # Allysandra # Anna Beth # Anja/Anya # Anny # Aura # Aila # Aaliyah/Aliyah # Abigail # Abby # Audrey/Aubrey # Adeline/Adele # Aisha # Ariel # Alisha # Alicia # Alyce/Alice # Andye/Andra # Ashly/Ashley # Ashlyn # Ashylinelle/Ashylinea # Alana # Alexa/Alex # Alexandria # Alexis/Lexi # Alicia/Alisha/Alesha/Elisha # Allison/Alison # Althea # Alyssa/Alissa/Alessia/Elyssa/Ilyssa/Elissa # Amanda/Mandy/Mandi # Amberline/Amber # Amelia/Emilia # Ally/Allie/Aly/Alyson/Alle # Amy # Ana # Anna # Andrea/Andy # Angel/Angleia # Angela/Angie # Angelica/Angie # Andi # Angelina # Asala # Anika # Anita # Annabeth # Annastasia/Anna/Anastasia/Ana/Anya/Nastya # Anne/Ann/Annie # Annette # Annica # April # Ariana/Arianna/Aria/Ari/Arya # Ashley/Ashleigh/Ashlie # Aubrey/Aubree/Aubrinna/Aubria/Aubrianna # Athena # Autumn # Ava # Avery # Barbara/Barb/Barbie # Becky/Becca # Bethany/Beth # Bianca # Bessie/Blessie/Bess # Blaire # Bonnie # Brandy # Breanna/Brianna/Briana/Bryanna/Breana/Bryana/BreAnna # Breanne # Brenda # Bridget # Brittany/Britney/Brittney # Briella # Brooke/Brookelyn # Beulah # Clarissa/Clary/Clarisse # Caitlin/Katelyn/Kaitlyn/Caitlyn/Kaitlin # Cadence # Candace # Cali/Callie/Calli/Kali # Carla/Karla # Carly # Cathy # Carrie # Carol # Caroline # Carolyn # Carmen # Carrington/Kerrington # Cassandra/Cassie/Cassy/Cass # Charlie/Charley/Charlee # Cecilia/Celcile # Celestia/Celeste # Cory/Corey # Chelsea # Cheryl # Cheyenne # Chloe # Christina/Cristina/Kristina/Crissy # Christine # Cindy/Cyndi # Cinder # Claire/Clare # Clara/Cara # Claudia # Colette # Charlene/Char # Charlotte/Charlie # Colleen/Koleen # Constance/Connie # Consuelo # Camilla # Calorine # Corinne # Courtney # Crystal # Cynthia # Daisy # Dana # Diana # Danielle # Darcy # Daria # Darlene # Dawn # Deanna # Dalia # Delaney/Delanie/Delaine/Delanee # Denise # Desiree/Desirae/Desiray # Destine # Destiny # Devon # Diana # Dolores # Dominique # Donna # Ebony # Eileen/Aileen # Elaine # Elena/Elana/Elaina/Alayna # Elisa # Elizabeth/Ellie/Beth/Liz/Lizzy/Lizzie/Libby/Eliza # Ella/Ellie # Ellen # Elva # Emily # Emma # Emmalyn # Erica/Erika # Erin # Eva/Eve/Ava # Evangeline # Evelyn # Faith # Fiona # Flora/Flor # Felicity # Felicia # Francesca/Francisca # Gabriela/Gabriella # Gabrielle # Gina/Geena/Gianna # Gloria # Grace # Gwendolyn/Gwen/Gwyneth # Hayley/Hailey/Hailee # Haley/Hallie # Hannah/Han # Hazel # Heather # Heidi # Helen # Helene # Hillary/Hilary # Holly # Hope # Iman # Ingrid # Irene # Iris # Irish # Isabella/Isabelle/Isabela # Ivy # Junee / Junie # Jasmine # Jacinda # Jaclyn/Jacqueline/Jacquelyn/Jacklyn/Jackie # Jaiden # Jamie # Jana # Jane # Janelle # Janet # Janice/Janis # Janine # Jay/Jai # Jean # Jeanette/Jeannette # Jeanine # Jeanne # Jemima/Jemimah # Jenna # Jennifer/Jenny/Jen # Jessica/Jessie/Jess # Jillian/Jill/Gillian # Josie/Josephine/Jose # Joe # Josette/Josie # Joan # Jalisa # Joanne/Joanna # Jodi/Jody # Johanna # Joni # Jordan # Jordyn # Juanita # Judith/Judy/Judi # Julith # Julia/Juliya/Julie # Katie/Kati # Kinn # Kira # Kiara # Kalah # Karen # Kari/Kerri/Carey # Kathleen/Kathy # Katrina # Kayla # Kaya # Kaylee/Kayleigh/Kalie/Kaley # Keisha # Kelly/Kellie/Kelley/Kelli # Kelsey # Kendra # Keya # Kinsley/Kinzley/Kinzlee/Kinsleigh # Kimberly/Kimi/Kimmy/Kimbo # Kili/keily/kilie/kielie # Kirsten/Kiersten # Krista/Christa # Kristen/Kristin # Kylee/Kylie # Kate # Lorelai # Lacey/Lacy # Laney # Lana # LaBella # LaBelle # Lane/Laine/Lani # Latasha # Latoya # Laura/Laurie # Laurel # Lauren/Laurie # Leah # Leann/Leanne # Leila/Laila/Layla/Leilah # Lena # Leni # Leslie # Letitia # Lia/Lila # Lilia # Lillian # Lily/Lilly/Lili/Lillie # Linda # Lindsay/Lindsey # Lisa # Lola # Lora # Lorena # Loretta # Lori/Lory # Lorraine # Luciana # Louise # Lovell # Luann # Lucy/Luci # Lunar/Luna # Lydia # Lynn # Lynna Beth # Macey/Macie # Mackensie # Mackenzie # Madiha # Matilda # Mae # Mackenna # Maya/Miya # Madeleine/Madeline # Madison # Magdalena # Marci/Marcy # Margaret/Maggie # Margarita # Marinette # Margo # Maria # Mariah # Mariam/Maryam # Marianna # Mariana # Marianne # Mariane # Marie/Maria # Mariel # Marilyn//Maryline # Marion/Marionne/Marian # Marissa/Marisa # Mary # Mary Anne # Mary Beth # Mary Jane # Maureen # Maxine/Max/Maximus # Maya # Meagan/Maegan # Megan/Meghan/Meg/M'gann # Melanie # Melinda # Melissa # Maryellen # Mercedes # Meredith # Mia/Mea # Michaela/Mikayla/Makayla/McKayla/Micaela # Michelle # Mindy # Minzy/Minsy # Miranda # Mirabelle # Miriam # Mirajane # Misty # Molly/Mollie # Monica # Monique # Morgan # Nadia # Nagini # Nadine # Nancy # Naiya/Nai # Naomi # Natalie/Nat/Natty/Nattie/Natt/Natti # Natasha/Tasha # Nicole # Nina # Niya # Noelle # Nora # Noreen # Nova # Olivia/Livia # Ophelia # Parlee # Paige # Pamela/Pam # Patricia # Peony # Paula # Pauleen/Pauline # Phoebe # Phyllis # Quinn # Quansmah # Rachael # Rachel/Rach # Rae # Raven # Ravena # Rain # Rami # Ramses # Ramona # Raquel/Raquelle # Rebecca/Becky/Becca # Regina # Rutam # Rhiannon/Rhiann # Rhonda # Riley # Rita # Robin/Robyn # Rochelle # Rosa # Rose # Rori # Rosemarie # Roxanne # Ruth # Ruby # Rumi # Sabrina # Samantha/sam # Saria # Sandra # Sandy # Sarah/Sara # Sasha # Savannah/Savanna # Selena # Serena # Shanda # Shannon # Sharon # Shawn # Shawna # Sheena # Sheila # Shelby # Serafina # Shelly/Shelley # Sherry/Shari # Sierra # Sienna # Sinéad # Simoné # Siya # Sky/Skye # Sonia/Sonya/Sonja # Sophia/Sophie/Sofia # Stacey/Stacy # Stephanile/Steph # Summer # Sunny/Sunni # Susan # Susana # Suzanne # Sydney/Sidney # Sylvia # Tabitha/Tabatha # Tamara/Tammy # Tanya # Tara # Taylor # Teresa/Theresa # Terry/Terri # Tiffany # Tammitha # Tammy/Tabatha # Talia # Tracy # Tricia # Trina # Trinety # Trixie # Tyler # Tyleigh # Tessa # Valerie/Vallorie # Vanessa # Veronica # Vera/ Vara/Vero # Victoria # Vicky # Wanda # Wendy # Whitney # Will # Winter # Uri # Zuri # Zaydee/Zaidee/Zaidey/Zaidie/Zaydie/Zaydey # Zoe/Zoey # Zofia/Zofi/Zof/Zo/Zzz # Zara == Other Common Names == # Athenia/Athinia/Athena # Amaya # Aniya # Acacia/Akazia # Ada # Adelita # Ador # Adrianne # Afra # Agatha # Agnes # Aida # Akiko # Alaina # Alana # Alandra # Alanis # Albina # Alejandra # Alessandra # Aletha # Alethia # Alexi # Alexia # Alexa # Alina # Amber # Alisa # Alisha # Aliza # Allegra # Allyn # Alma # Alondra # Alpha # Amalia/Amelie # Amanda Sue # Amara # Amaryllis # Amelita # Amethyst/Amethizt # Amina # Amira # Anais # Analia # Analise/Analisse/Anneliese # Ana Maria # Ananda # Andromeda # Angeles # Angeline # Anissa # Annabel/Annabelle # Annabella # Anna-Maria # Anna Olivia # Antonia # Anya # Aphrodite # Aphelia # April # Aria/Arriah/Ari # Ariel # Arlene # Artemis # Arwen # Aerowen/Aero/Arrow # Asha # Ashby # Ashlyn/Ashlynne # Ashton # Asia # Astro # Aspen # Astrid # Asuna # Audra # Aura # Aurelia # Aurélie # Aurora # Autumn # Avril # Aya # Azure # Baileigh/Bailey/Baylee/Bayleigh # Bari # Basia # Belinda # Bella # Belle # Benita # Brynn/Brin # Bernadette # Bathaba # Beverly # Biana # Billie/Billy # Birgit # Bjorg # Blain/Blaine # Blair/Blaire # Blanca # Blanche # Blossom # Bonita # Braxton # Breck # Bree # Breezy # Brianne # Brigitta # Brigitte # Brina # Bristol # Bronwen/Brownyn # Blaze # Brooklyn # Buffy # Cadence # Cai/Chai # Caitlin/Katelyn # Calista/Callysto # Calla # Camilla # Cam # Camille # Cara # Carmelita # Carola # Carole # Carolina # Caryn # Casey # Callie # Calaban # Cameron # Cassidy # Catalina # Catherine # Catriona # Ceara # Celeste # Celia # Chanda # Catherine # Chandra # Chantal # Charis # Charity # Charla # Charlene # Charlize # Charmaine # Charné/Charnay/Chané/Sharnay/Shané/Sharné/Shenae # Chasity # Chastity # Cher # Celine # Cheri/Cherry # China # Chiquita # Chita/Cheeta # Chlorine # Chinga # Christelle # Christiana # Christianne # Christienne # Clara # Claudette # Claudine # Cleo/Chléo # Cleopatra # Colby/Colbie # Concepción # Concetta # Concha/Conchita # Consuela # Contessa # Cora # Coraline # Cosette # Courtlynn # Crescent/Cress # Cristina # Dagmar # Dahlia # Dalia # dakayla # Damaris # Danell/Danelle # Danica # Daniela/Daniella/Dani # Daphne # Dara # Darby # Darci # Darla # Diana # Delilah # Davida # Deana # Deandra # Deanne/Deane # DeeDee # Deena # Deirdre # Delilah/Delila # Della # Delma # Deloris # Demetria/Demi # Dena # Denisha # Desdemona # Devika # Dharma # Dexas # Diamond # Dina # Dora # Doreen # Dorianne # Dorothy # Drucilla # Dusty # Eden # Edith # Ekaterini # Elaina # Electra/Elektra # Eleni # Elham # Eppi # Elise/Elyse # Elissa # Eliza # Ellery # Ellen # Elnora # Elsha # Elvira # Emerald # Elenor # Emery/Emmarie/Emory # Emilia # Emmaline # Engracia # Enya # Esmeralda # Esperanza # Estefani # Estella # Estelle # Etta # Eudora # Eula # Eufemia # Eulalia # Evangeline # Everliegh # Fabiana # Farah/Farrah # Farida # Fatemeh # Fatima # Faye/Fae # Felicity # Filipa # Flannery # Flavia # Fleur # Flora # Florence # Florida # Frances # Francine # Freda # Falon # Felicity # Fuchsia # Genesis # Geneva # Genevieve # Gennifer # Georgia # Geraldine # Gia # Gurtrude # Ginger # Gioia # Giorgia # Giselle # Gita/Geeta # Giulia # Glenda # Glorianne # Gretchen # Guadalupe # Halle/Hallie # Happy # Harley # Harriet # Harnold # Haven # Hazel # Heaven # Helena # Hermione # Hilda # Honey # Idina # Iesha # Ilana # Ilena # Ilona # Ilse # Imogene # Ina # Ines # India # Isabel # Isadora # Ivana # Ivy # Irissa # Jacinta # Jacquline # Jada/Jayda # Jade # Jesus # Jaimee # Jamila # Joanne # Jan # Janae # Janeane # Janessa # Janine # Jasmin # Jaya # Jayne # Jeanna # Jemma/Gemma # Jenee # Jenelle # Jenine # Jennica # Jewel # Joelle # Joellen/Joellyn # Johnnie # Jolanda # Jolene/Jolleen # Jo Marie # Jorien # Josefina # Josephine/Jo # JoJo/Jojo # Joy # Joyce # Joycelyn # Juana # Julia # Julianna # Julianne # Julienne # Juliet # Juliette # Julina # Juline # June # Justice # Kaede # Kami # Kenzy # Kamila # Karida # Karima # Kate # Kanie # Karl # Karly # Kone # Karina # Karma # Kenzy # Karoline # Karyn # Kassandra # Katarina/Kat/Katy/Katia/Katerina/Kathe/Katharina # Kay/Kaye # Keeley/Keely # Keiko # Keilana/Kaylana # Kendall/Kendyll # Kenna # Kennedy # Keshia # Keyesha # Kevin # Khalida # Kiarrianna # Kiera # Kioko # Kira # Krishna # Krystal # Krystle # Kyler # Liberty # Libby # Lily # Lyla # Larlyiagatha # Large # Lara # Larissa # Lazari/Laz/Lazzy # Latifah # Laureen # Lavelle # Lavender/Lavendar # Laverne # Layne # Lea # Leanna # Lee/Leigh # Leigha # Leilani # Lela # Leliah # Lenora # Lenore # Leola # Leona # Leontine # Leora # Leticia # Letty # Liana # Licia/Lice # Liesl/Lisl # Life # Lilac # Liliana # Lilith # Lilli # Lillian # Lina # Lisbet # Lisette/Lissette # Livona # Luz # Lizabeth # Lizabetha # Lizbeth # Logan # Lois # Lolita # Lorelei # LoriBeth # Lorna # Louella # Lourdes # Love # Luanne # Lucia # Luciana # Lucille # Lucinda # Lucrecia # Lucretia # Luisa # Luise # Lula # Luminous # Luna # Lurlene # Luz # Lynette # Lynsey # Lyra # Madonna # Madina/Madiena/Madena/Madeena # Maeve # Magenta # Malaysia # Malina # Mallory # Manda # Manuela # Mara # Marcela/Marcella # Marcia/Marsha # Maren # Margit # Marguerite # Mari # Mariana # Maribel # Maribeth # Marietta # Marilou # Marina # Marisa # Marisol # Marita # Mariya # Marjorie/Marjore # Marlene # Martha # Maryam # Mary Ellen # Mary Jo # Mary Kate # Mary Kay # Mary Lou # Mary Louise # Maja (Maya) # Masha # Mattie # Maura # Mavis # May # Maybelle/Mabel/Maybel/Maibelle/Maybull # McKenzie/Mackenzie/Mack/Mac/Makenzie/Kenzie/Mackinzie # Mcayla # Melody # Melora # Mia # Micah # Michal # Michèle # Mieke # Mimi # Millie # Ming # Mira/Meera # Mitra # Mitzi # Moira # Mona # Moon # Morag # Mya # Myra # Na’ama # Nadira # Nadya # Nafisa # Nafisha # Natalie # Nahal # Najwa # Nanette # Narcissa # Natalia # Natane # Nathalie # Nathana # Nettie # Nevada # Neve # Niamh # Nichole # Nicolette/Nicoletta # Nikhila # Nirvana # Nita # Niva # Noah # Noelia # Noemi # Nona # Norma # Odessa # Odile # Olga # Olive # Olympia/Olimpya # Paola # Paris # Parker # Pasha # Patience # Patrice # Paulette # Paulina # Pauline # Payton # Paz # Police # Pearl # Penelope/Penny # Perpetua # Petra # Peyton # Philippa/Pippa # Phylicia # Pia # Pip # Polly # Poppy # Portia # Prudence # Quincy/Quincie # Rae/Ray # Rafaela # Raheema/Raheima # Rainbow # Raja # Rana # Rani # Rashida # Raven # Rayanne # Rayna # Reagan # Reba # Reena # Reese # Reilly # Rena # Renata # Reyna # Rhea # Rhoda # Ria # Ritienne # Roberta/Bobbi # Robi # Romance # Romey # Romina # Rona # Roralie # Rosalia # Rosalie # Rosalind # Rosalyn # Rosa Maria # Rosanna # Roseanne # Rosemary # Rosie # Roslyn # Rowena # Rowan/Rowen # Roxanna # Roxy/Roxie/Roxi # Ruby # Rukhsar # Saba # Sabina # Sabine # Shibani # Sabra # Sade # Sadie # Saffron # Sage # Sahara # Serafina # Salah # Salima # Sally # Samara/Samarah # Sami # Sanya # Sarai # Sari # Sarita # Sasha # Saundra # Scarlett # Schuyler/Skylar/Sky # Shai # Shaina # Shakira # Shalanda # Shalia # Shana # Shandra # Shanna # Shaquita # Sharice/Sherice # Sharita # Sharla # Shayna # Shea # Shelia # Sheryl # Shira/Shirah # Shirley # Shonda # Shoshana # Sia # Sibyllina # Silke # Silvia # Sinead # Siobhan # Siri # Sofie # Sofiya # Soheila/Soheyla # Solange # Sondra # Spencer # Star # Selene # Stefana # Stefanie/Steffi # Stella # Stormy # Sue Ann # Sumi # Sunshine # Suri # Susana # Susannah # Susanne/Susi # Suzette # Sybil/Sibyl # Symmetry/Symetri # Talia/Taliah/Tahlia # Tamar # Taylor # Thoryn # Tameka # Tamika # Tamsyn # Tanesha/Taneisha/Tanisha # Tania # Tara # Taryn # Tatiana/Tania # Tatum # Tera # Teresita # Terra # Tess # Tessa # Thalassa # Thalia # Thea # Tia # Tiana # Tiara # Tierra # Tomorrow # Trini # Trinidad # Trisha # Tsuna # Twyla/Twila # Tyra # Vanda # Vanya # Veena # Venera#Venus # Vera # Viktoria/Viki # Violet # Viva # Vivian/Vivienne/Vivien # Viviana # Vonda # Veronica # Vennessa # Whitney # Whitley # Willow # Windy/Wendy # Winona # Xandra # Ximena # Xochitl # Yahaira # Yasmeen/Yasmin # Yelena # Yoko # Ysabela # Zac # Zelda # Zahra == Unusual names == #Antosia # Akili # Abrianna #April # Acima # Ada # Adaj # Adalyn # Adelaide # Adina # Adonelle # Adonna # Adorna # Adriel # Adrina # Adrienne # Aerriannahi # Afira # Africa # Ainsley # Aira # Alaska # Alba # Alexanderina # Alexina # Alexstrasza # Aleonalu # Alfreda # Aliki # Alise # Alivette # Aljaee # Allesse # Allura # Aloradanna # Alsoha # Alta # Aluna # Alundra # Alvina # Alyce # Alycia # Amaka # Amanda Mae # Amariona # Amyata # Anchal # Andersson # Andrea Rose # Aneris # Aniessa # Anisa # Anisia # AnnaLi # Anna Theresa # Anthem # Aquamarine # Aquanetta # Arabella # Ardith # Arelis # Areona # Ariadne # Arlana # Arlanda # Arlena # Arnetta # Arnoldine # Arrowanna # Aerowen/Arrowen/Arrow # Aruna # Arystina # Arzella # Ashley Katherine # Ashley Nicole # Asia Marie # Athena # Aubrée # Aubrenique # Audreyann # August # Augusta # Auleen # Aumber # Aurea # Austrial # Autumn # Autry # Avia # Avis # Axemia # Ayn # Baiu # Beata # Beaulah # Belicia # Bellanca # Belva # Bentleigh # Berenice # Berkley # Bernadine # Bertha # Bethel # Betsabeth # Bijou # Bindhu # Bindy # Binish # Blessing # Blondeen # Blue # Bobolink # Boston # Brana # Braylynne # Brazil # Brazoria # Brea Lynn # Breighlin # Breset # Briane # Bridgette # Bright # Brin # Brindalyn/Brindalynn # Brindizi # Billie # Brindy # Brisa # Brisel # Brunhilda # Brunhilde # Bryattie # Brylea # Bryndalynn # Cabria # Cadira # Caela # Cairo # Calandra # Clancyu # Calistra # Cally # Calypso # Calphubna # Cambia # Cambria # Canberra # Candia # Candida # Caprece # Caprice # Chia # Care # Carelis # Carina # Carisa # Carlene # Carmella # Caroline # Caria # Caryl #Cersei # Cheryl # Cathalia # Catherine # Catina # Cedar # Cedina # Cesia # Cassiel # Cetavia # Cha Cha # Champagne # Chancella # Chancy # Chanin # Charesse # Charisse # Charm # Cherilynn # Cherry # Chesna # Chionia # Chiya # 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(via JWB) 4654254 wikitext text/x-wiki <[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 5|older]] [[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 7|newer]]> {{Talkarchive}} {{-}} == Foundations Wikibook: blanking pages == Hello Mike, I have blanked pages to erase the rating buttons. We have done this in the past to prevent students from rating an article that does not exist. All of our articles should have been posted by now, so this is usually when we take the buttons out. Would you like me to keep the category line? Sorry for the confusion! [[User:Jkauf007|Jkauf007]] 19:34, 16 October 2007 (UTC) :No, there's no need to leave anything. In the future, instead of blanking the pages, simply add {{tlx|delete|reason}} at the top of the page to alert an admin that the pages are to be deleted. You can also leave a note on an admin's talk page letting them know that the deletions are pending, so they'll get to it faster. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:18, 16 October 2007 (UTC) :When I'm back at the computer for longer, I'll go back over the pages you blanked and delete them. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:19, 16 October 2007 (UTC) == Re:Bots == I'm decently sure your AWB can do admin tasks (i'm not certain as I'm not very familiar with that program). There are other users who I know do have admin-scripts, and other admins that I suspect but who have never announced the fact publicly. Either way, it's not a bad thing. If the community doesnt want this, we will make a policy against it. Otherwise, I think it's perfectly fine. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 00:19, 17 October 2007 (UTC) :It can, but it's patchy at detecting admin status, and even when it detects it properly it doesn't work (mostly). I don't even know if they've figured out what the problem is. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:20, 17 October 2007 (UTC) == IPs == Trade secret (& actually nothing to do with CU) but you do have mail :) --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 17:54, 17 October 2007 (UTC) :spotting the edit on az's page and not having seen them for a bit, there is a sense in which they need blocking '''but''' I have no idea how up to date the lists are. The issue is that IP addresses can be quite a fluid thing as I'm sure you know - that is why I now only block for a year. The fact they were an open proxy/zombie does not mean that they still are (particularly zombies as they may be fixed). Do you use Firefox? If so Az (& I) both have some quite useful monobook stuff and I know AZ's contains some scripting for the OP list. Let me know if you want - cheers --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 13:14, 18 October 2007 (UTC) ::Well I don't really know how fresh "fresh" is, but if we just block for a bit less, I think it'd be a go. If we would have blocked for 1 year at the time they were discovered, then blocking for 8 months (or whatever) now is basically the same effect. You'll have to point out which part(s) of the .js are what I'm looking for. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 13:43, 18 October 2007 (UTC) ::I ''think'' I figured out the right part of your .js. The block link provided by {{tlx|proxyip}} has an expiry time of ''indefinite''. If we just change the template, we (I; I shouldn't speak for you) could block the rest for 8 months(?) with an inordinate but not outrageous expenditure of time. Would that be kosher? (copied to your talk) '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:32, 19 October 2007 (UTC) :::Apologies Mike, been a bit busy. You seem to be ahead of me! All I know is that if you click on "block" on IPs on that list it all gets filled in! I guess my answer would be "try it", change the template to something else and try one. A year doesn't bother me (& I think Derbeth is still doing 5 years) but longer seems a bit silly - things will change and they can always be blocked again. I think I'll continue to pick up ones that are actually in use on the projects for now. :::On monobook stuff feel free to look at the Jsimlo/shortcuts.js bit in mine. I find it so useful to have my own links (that I can never find) somewhere easy to get to. Get back to me if you have queries. Cheers --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 11:26, 20 October 2007 (UTC) == Re: Page names == Mike, sorry for my negligence. I have marked these pages with ''delete|unneeded redirect'' tags so they can be deleted. Thanks! [[User:Circuit-fantasist|Circuit-fantasist]] 15:46, 18 October 2007 (UTC) :Thanks! I will do that now. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:53, 18 October 2007 (UTC) == Yes help GFDL == [[French/Appendices/Pronunciation index]] only tables from wikipedia.--[[User:Mig77|Mig77]] 16:54, 18 October 2007 (UTC) :Sorry; I don't understand what you're asking. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:54, 18 October 2007 (UTC) == {{tl|Plainlinks}} == I'm moderately curious, it seems you imported it from en.wikipedia only I don't see any pages here on wikibooks that link to it, what is it being used for?--<small>'''VectorPotential'''</small><sup>[[User_talk:Vector Potential|Talk]]</sup> 19:32, 19 October 2007 (UTC) :Now that I've had a quick glance at my contributions, I see that you imported AWBuser as well, which explains why you would have needed plainlinks. --<small>'''VectorPotential'''</small><sup>[[User_talk:Vector Potential|Talk]]</sup> 19:36, 19 October 2007 (UTC) == Re: Note on my [[User talk:Doodledoo|talk page]] == Hi, just to let you know, I am logged in. This is my account. : ) Thanks for the note! [[User:Doodledoo|Doodledoo]] 22:39, 19 October 2007 (UTC) :Heehee, thanks. God, that's happened to me so many times welcoming people at the Wikipedia... [[User:Doodledoo|Doodledoo]] 22:43, 19 October 2007 (UTC) ::As an editor coming from WP, you You may find [[WB:WFW]] helpful. If there's something that's missing or incorrect, please let us know. We're trying to get this up to snuff so our friends from WP can get a quick primer on how things work differently here. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:46, 19 October 2007 (UTC) :::Looks fine. Simple but forceful. Due to my lack of expertise, I've been mostly contributing to Cookbook anyway, but I might get started into Wikjunior eventually. Thanks! [[User:Doodledoo|Doodledoo]] 22:53, 19 October 2007 (UTC) == How do I talk? == I'd like to message/Pm another member. I can't see how to do it. The users link is here. http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/User:ThreeE However there are no options to send a message that I can make out. This might be the right way to contact you either, so sorry for that, but at the moment the simple thing of how to communicate is not at all obvious. [[User:E5ricky|E5ricky]] 21:28, 20 October 2007 (UTC) :Normally we communicate through the User talk: pages; that's what they're for. You can just leave a message on their page. If you want to, you can try to email them. There is a link in the sidebar when you're looking at their User: or User talk: page that says ''Email this user''. If they have enabled email, you will get a form that will send off an email to the address they provided. Hope that helps! '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:46, 20 October 2007 (UTC) :As well, you can make links without using the URL. To link to the page you gave me above, just put the title of the page inside double square brackets. <nowiki>[[User:ThreeE]]</nowiki> produces the link [[User:ThreeE]]; you can modify what the text says with a piped link like this: <nowiki>[[User:ThreeE|ThreeE]]</nowiki> produces the link with modified text: [[User:ThreeE|ThreeE]]. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:48, 20 October 2007 (UTC) :: Thanks for those tips. By users talk you mean the Discussion tab? :unsure: [[User:E5ricky|E5ricky]] 22:26, 20 October 2007 (UTC) :::Yes, that's it. I call it the User talk: page because when you click the ''Discussion'' tab, the title of that page actually begins with "User talk:" - not "Discussion". '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:52, 20 October 2007 (UTC) == Bot edit for "Opening theory in chess" == Hi Mike, Can you use your bot to help with as much of the following as possible. Applies to all pages within [[Opening theory in chess]] 1) Can you use your bots to change all the chess boards displays from the old 'chess position' to the new chess diagram. Old style is yellow green and doesn't look professional the new style would also be good to have th position name 'Ware opening in this example at the top. 2) can you change occurances of '=Theory Table=' to '==Theory Table==' 3) Can you '''move''' any page in [[Opening theory in chess]] where the page URL have three periods('...') in them, the URL is changes to remove the period '''plus''' it's proceeding number. The three periods often occur multiple times(after every black move) Example URL's http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Opening_theory_in_chess/1._e4/1...e5/2._Nf3/2...Nc6/3._Bc4/3...Nf6/4._Ng5/4...d5/5._exd5/5...Nxd5/6._d4/6...Bb4/7._c3/7...Be7/8._Nxf7/8...Kxf7/9._Qf3/9...Ke6 Goes to http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Opening_theory_in_chess/1._e4/e5/2._Nf3/Nc6/3._Bc4/Nf6/4._Ng5/d5/5._exd5/Nxd5/6._d4/Bb4/7._c3/Be7/8._Nxf7/Kxf7/9._Qf3/Ke6 4) If you can get part 3) to work then also change any occurances in the page code of '...' remove the three periods and the proceeding number. eg </4...d5> goes to </d5> Thanks [[User:E5ricky|E5ricky]] 17:28, 21 October 2007 (UTC) :1) Can probably be done. I'll have to take a closer look at how the chessboards are constructed (ie. which tiles match up; from there it is a simple replacement). :2) Easy :3) and 4) Complex page moves would have do be done manually unless you can get [[User:tsca.bot]] (operated by [[m:user talk:tsca]]) to take care of it. :'''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:49, 21 October 2007 (UTC) :: Okay, can you see about doing 1 and 2. Seems maybe myself and whiteknight will do 3 and 4 manually as [[User:tsca.bot]] page says, 'due to the lack of time the bot is unable to complete any requests until further notice' [[User:E5ricky|E5ricky]] 18:19, 21 October 2007 (UTC) :::I hate to do this to you but "due to the lack of time..." It's going to have to wait till at least the end of the week. Ask me again then if I don't remember. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:56, 21 October 2007 (UTC) :::: The board colours have changed! Well awesome. Thanks if it was you Mike. [[User:E5ricky|E5ricky]] 21:04, 21 October 2007 (UTC) :::: The letters and numbers (around the site) don't match the squares now, but glad something has been done. [[User:E5ricky|E5ricky]] 21:21, 21 October 2007 (UTC) ::::: The letters and numbers now match the squares! My lucky day :D [[User:E5ricky|E5ricky]] 22:51, 21 October 2007 (UTC) ::::::lol. Congrats, but I take no credit. I've been AFK for the afternoon. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:45, 21 October 2007 (UTC) :Hey mike, just to let you know, i'm getting a lot of the work here done by my bot this evening. Once I get done, i'll update the list, and let you know what still needs to be done. Hopefully, there won't be much! --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 23:49, 21 October 2007 (UTC) Just to keep everything together...I changed the template to the way it is now. I made all arguments optional, in which case you get an empty board with 24x24 squires. I also used different images with a transparent background so the color of the light and dark squires can be optionally changed, and made it so an optional description can be displayed underneath the board. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 00:13, 22 October 2007 (UTC) :: Thank you Darklama, the boards now somehow look professional and with the size bigger then the wikipedia one, the revised 'Chess position' template is my favourite. [[User:E5ricky|E5ricky]] 00:19, 22 October 2007 (UTC) ==random== delete ppls ip address its confendential<small>—The preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:99.235.0.136|99.235.0.136]] ([[User talk:99.235.0.136|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/99.235.0.136|contribs]]) 22:15, October 24, 2007.</small> :Actually, they're not. If you want to hide your IP address, you can register an account [[Special:Userlogin|here]]. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:56, 24 October 2007 (UTC) == Thanks for the Welcome == Thanks for the welcome. I appreciate the link that described what Wikibooks is. Do you have any advice for a newbie like me? Thanks for your help. P.S. I like your userbox about cold weather. [[User:Sociology|Sociology]] 23:46, 24 October 2007 (UTC) :Well, if you're coming from Wikipedia, [[WB:WFW]] might be useful. Otherwise, just go for it. If you're not sure, ask someone ([[WB:HELP]] is useful). Good luck, and post again if you need something! '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:48, 24 October 2007 (UTC) == Hum == I'm sure you will see [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Grepdog&curid=137535&diff=1013143&oldid=1008803 it] but just in case? Cheers --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 07:12, 25 October 2007 (UTC) :I saw it, but what am I supposed to make of that? '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:47, 25 October 2007 (UTC) == Featured books logo proposal == Hi Mike, could you check out [[Wikibooks talk:Featured books]]? I noted that it'd be really easy to change the font. [[User:Doodledoo|Doodledoo]] 21:28, 25 October 2007 (UTC) == Acetone Peroxide == What is the reason for the deletion of the acetone peroxide page? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:71.198.52.234|71.198.52.234]] ([[User talk:71.198.52.234|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/71.198.52.234|contribs]]) </span></small> :There was a discussion at [[WB:VFD#Chemical synthesis]] which resulted in a consensus to delete. This was done in accordance with [[Wikibooks:Deletion policy]]. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:45, 28 October 2007 (UTC) == Thanks for your help == Appreciate your clarification edit at [[Counterterror_Joint_Command]]<br>It's very nice to make your acquaintance.<br> My previous definition of terrorism is broader in scope due to the fact that conclusive categorization comes after the fact and because the wide range of conditions special tactics terror interdiction teams respond to is always a current process. I find that the definition you are using is succinct, more understandable and more specific in nature. Upon close examination you will find the only real difference between definitions is the exclusive perrogative of some conditions, which is taken as inclusive in the previous terminology. There are specific circumstances, such as the intent and preplanning of perpetrating extensive damage, which may not necessarily originate from a sub-state entity, and a symbolic action being so because the magnitude of weapons support is inferior may be presumption and unascertainable. This comes from 23 years as Tactical Chief Instructor over this specific type of operation. My comments here are not meant to be argumentative. Just some food for thought and conversation with my sincere acknowlegement of your content. [[User:Chrismar|Chrismar]] 22:02, 28 October 2007 (UTC)chrismar Thanks :I think the language used is also far more clear than what had previously been written. As soon as I saw "Terrorism is a syndrome of fear from a deliberate non-conventional act of violence..." I knew it had to be re-written. I was going to use the US Army's definition, but I couldn't immediately find it. As well, it's not very reader-friendly; Louise Robert's is easy to understand, and is comprehensive. I added the ''sub-state'' designation because her work focuses on sub-state terrorism. For state-level terrorism, symbolism isn't nearly as important since states are significantly more powerful. The differences in definition, whatever they may be, between state- and sub-state levels of terrorism are not relevant since this book deals (apparently) exclusively with sub-state terrorism directed against the West. I'd like to see that scope change, however, since we all know that's not the only kind, and isn't even the most pervasive kind. Room for expansion in the future. :While I understand that you feel a particular expertise, all content in Wikibooks must be verifiable, which is why if I continue editing that book, it'll be mostly adding views from published (peer-reviewed, if possible) academics and specialists in the field, rather than (maybe) more practical ground-level experiences. I'm glad to see that you're feeling no ownership over this Wikibook. Remember, all content submitted here is GFDL-licensed and will be edited mercilessly and distributed at will :) Best regards. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:52, 28 October 2007 (UTC) ***It behooves us all to contribute without ownership or self-importance, and to concentrate on expanding knowledge as the foundation of character as well as the implementation of skill sets. Your insights bring consistency through verification. My particular expertise is the integration of combat systems through a unifying protocol and administrating the relevant technical and operational foundation. Being the founder of this protocol I also author the media and field manuals as well as the training structure which has had influence over tactical policy multi-nationally and on a state-level.<br>Since our discussion does relate to the integration of greater infrastructural integrity for crisis containment perhaps more emphasis can be put on Network Security Management as well as Service levels Intelligence and configuration as part of the solution. These concepts are also instrumental to secure systems. I mention this in order to offer some food for thought which may already be part of your wide range of references. I am led to better understand your good intent. Thanks Mike. [[User:Chrismar|Chrismar]] 17:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC)chrismar == Muggles' Guide: Reversion of Grindelwald edit == I'm not entirely sure that the edit about Grindelwald's and Dumbledore's being in love should be classed as vandalism. It is a fact; Rowling herself said so, and it does clarify a lot of things about their relationship. However: it is also true that there is a specific note there saying that all discussion of sexuality is in a specific place in the article, one that our editor must have seen but clearly chose to ignore. While reversion was, in fact, the right thing to do, I'm not sure that marking it as vandalism was correct; perhaps a better choice is to say "thanks for visiting, your test has been removed." No? [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 01:17, 29 October 2007 (UTC) :Well, it may not technically be vandalism, so I'll change the wording in that warning template (which, I might add was {{tlx|test}}, which doesn't use the word "vandalism"). The edit appeared directly previous to a hidden comment that that sort of thing doesn't belong on that page, which I assume was placed after the authors of the book came to that consensus, hence my reversion. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:53, 29 October 2007 (UTC) ::Hmm. You're right, it doesn't; it only says "inappropriate", I was misled by the big red stop sign. No, the rewording looks excellent; I hope it is only this single instance, rather than throughout, because not many books are likely to end up with that sort of embedded comment. I started putting those in because of the high incidence of randoms editing the Muggles' Guide, particularly since the revelations about Dumbledore's sexuality, which seemed to titillate so many people. And yes, I only started putting those in when we seemed to have consensus. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 03:08, 29 October 2007 (UTC) == Psychiatric Rehabilitation and Recovery == On the category issue, sorry that may have been my mistake on the wiki category, I was wondering about the bookshelf placement issue for Psychiatric Rehabilitation and Recovery; being the at University of Illnois, Boston University and University of Medicine of Dentistry of New Jersey; the subject of Psychiatric Rehabilitation is considered to be of different subject categories. I believe that UofI its a social work practice; BU it is rehabilitation services, and UMDNJ considers it a medical intervention or some aspect of...(Although I personally feel it should be a behavior or social science; as my user name may suggest, but for the purpose of this wikibook I am trying to stick the facts as they are taught in the trainings and courses, I attend). I appreciate your assistance, thanks.--[[User:Recoverypsychology|Recoverypsychology]] 14:07, 29 October 2007 (UTC) :You're welcome to categorize it in all of those places. I recommend, however, that you take a look the the Subject: pages (you can start at [[WB:AS]]). If you categorize the book page in a category which has the same name as a Subject: page, it will automatically show up there. If you need help to harness this functionality, don't hesitate to ask. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:57, 29 October 2007 (UTC) == [[Artificial Neural Networks]] == I saw on your user page that you're studying neuroscience. I've just created a new book, [[Artificial Neural Networks]] based on a research paper i've been writing on that topic. Is this an area of interest for you? If so, I would love some help. Let me know! --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 17:10, 29 October 2007 (UTC) :I don't know much about the topic (yet) but I'll keep an eye peeled for stuff I can add, and I might contribute in the future. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:25, 29 October 2007 (UTC) == [[Hebrew/History]] == Thanks, Mike.lifeguard for the correction on the name of this page! And, thanks for the other repairs you've made on the [[Hebrew]] WikiBook and others! -[[User:CocoaZen|CocoaZen]] 23:19, 4 November 2007 (UTC) ndeq3giftkjjlxjv73d9u9rpx18388e 3 139843 4654255 1034141 2026-07-12T18:33:48Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654255 wikitext text/x-wiki <[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 6|older]] [[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 8|newer]]> {{Talkarchive}} {{-}} == [[Image:Black family tree.JPG]] == Yeah, we removed it from a page a while ago and I forgot about it. It's actually a copyright violation despite its tag and since we're not using it I just deleted it. -[[User:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#000000">'''within'''</span>]][[User talk:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#7A7A7A">'''focus'''</span>]] 00:56, 5 November 2007 (UTC) ==Creating Subpages== Yes I am transfering the data into sub pages so it has a more book like format. [[User:Arsenalfan|Arsenalfan]] 07:11, 12 November 2007 (UTC) == Import == Yes, but I don't want to import the entire article. I just wanted a certain portion of it. --Yunzhong Hou 18:23, 5 November 2007 (UTC) :That's fine. We still need the edit history. If it's just a sentence or two, then quoting with attribution is fine. I'd say an entire section & you should be requesting an import. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:49, 6 November 2007 (UTC) ==Programming== Morning Mike. Just going through pages that need naming convention fixes and I notice that you have tagged all of the Programming books. What exactly is the problem with these? Is it just the fact that they have a colon in the title? I can't see that this is forbidden in the policy. I know previously people used colons for subpages which is incorrect. But in these books is it not just part of the title? Let me know your thoughts. Cheers --[[User:AdRiley|AdRiley]] 07:38, 6 November 2007 (UTC) :If the colon is part of the title, then yes, it's my mistake. If only to shorten the name of subpages though, you might consider having the book title be "Programming: subtitle", but all subpages be "Programming/subpage". It's up to the authors in that case. Feel free to remove {{tlx|cleanup-nc}} for any pages where the colon is for a subtitle instead of a subpage. Thanks. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:12, 6 November 2007 (UTC) ::Technically the programming books are grandfathered by the naming policy. OTOH, I doubt anyone would object if you just moved them to slash convention (generally that's more helpful than adding {{tl|cleanup-nc}} to individual modules... that template should only be used on the main page). --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 15:46, 6 November 2007 (UTC) :::Fair enough. I was under the impression that each "Programming: Language" was a different book, rather than it being a single "Programming" book using a colon for each chapter dealing with a single language. If someone explains the proper structure of that book/set of books I'll have a go at moving pages. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:00, 6 November 2007 (UTC) ::::In general its a set of books. Most should be renamed "Language Programming" with "Language Programming/Subpage" for the subpages. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 19:57, 6 November 2007 (UTC) :::::I'll take a look at renaming them then. I agree they should be separate books and removing the colon's will make their status clearer. I think some might want merging/deleting too. --[[User:AdRiley|AdRiley]] 20:32, 6 November 2007 (UTC) == Another bot job (wikiversity) == Heya Mike. I've got another change needed on the Bloom Clock pages... very different template now, which was designed to be edited by AWB. Hope it works well :) Following [[v:Category:BCP/using middle template 7.10.24]], grab the last line of the second template to replace: <pre> | version tracking for middle template (for robotic use) = 7.10.24 </pre> with: <pre> | Manchester, England = | New Region 1 = | New Region 2 = | version tracking for middle template (for robotic use) = 7.11.6 </pre> It should look like [http://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=BCP%2FSedum_kamtschaticum&diff=182125&oldid=181804 this diff], and you can track results by watching [[v:Category:BCP/using middle template 7.11.6]]. Thanks again! Let me know if using that tag is helpfull (and don't confuse it with the other 2 trackers: "version tracking for top template (for robotic use) = 7.10.24" and "version tracking for bottom template (for robotic use) = 7.10.24" also appear on those pages, since we'll need to add fields to those ones from time to time as well). --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 11:27, 6 November 2007 (UTC) ===better tracking=== Actually, that's tracking the hard way :). I've set up a DPL for easily checking your results, see [[v:User:SB Johnny/sandbox3]] for details. If you're not sure how that works, I'll happily explain, but it strikes me as an excellent way to watch robotic processes on projects where DPL is enabled (it's on Wikibooks too). --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 11:47, 6 November 2007 (UTC) [[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] '''{{{1|Done}}}''' '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:01, 6 November 2007 (UTC) Yay, thanks! Did the tagging and DPL help? --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 16:05, 6 November 2007 (UTC) :NP. I'm actually indifferent to watching things move from one category to another. I usually do a few test edits with the rule before letting it run, so I'm sure it's at least doing what I told it to do. Whether that matches up with what I ''want'' it to do/what I think you told me to do/what you think you told me to do/what you actually wanted done is another matter. But if there's a problem along that chain somewhere (which I don't think there has been, so big kudos for always being clear) then watching things switch categories isn't going to catch most problems. Thanks for the extra effort, but I don't think it's necessary. Glad to have helped. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:13, 6 November 2007 (UTC) ::OK. The recategorizations happen automatically when you make the switch anyway... it was more a question of whether the bot might have missed a few pages (or even if there were pages somehow miscategorized). The "version tracking" field is actually what added the category you're following anyway... once your bot has run through I reset the template to ignore that field. --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 16:19, 6 November 2007 (UTC) == re: The Guide for Electronic Theses and Dissertations == Hi Mike. Unfortunately the licensing issues have not yet been sorted out. An email was received from the Copyright owners by way of one of the authors, however it only granted Wikibooks permission to use the guide, it did not have the necessary rhetoric to release the book under a free license, nor was it enough to verify the release. I relayed this information to the author who has been in contact with the copyright holders directly last week, and am awaiting a response. I am going to email him tomorrow to get a status report and I will update the relevant discussion when I receive a response. I hope this answers your questions, and am sorry that i do not have a more definite answer for you. [[User:Urbane|<span style="color:black"><b>Urbane</b></span>]] [[User talk:Urbane|<span style="color:green"><small>(Talk)</small></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Urbane|<span style="color:green"><small>(Contributions)</small></span>]] 22:51, 8 November 2007 (UTC) :As long as progress is being made, I am appeased =P '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:54, 8 November 2007 (UTC) == a better image == i have just uploaded a new version of the image but with the extension .png because SVG didn't show tan(theta) , this image have the same name but with the extension .png and have the tan(theta) thanks for you attention <small>—The preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:3D Vector|3D Vector]] ([[User talk:3D Vector|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/3D Vector|contribs]]) 00:57, November 9, 2007.</small> :I've moved the .png version to commons as well. Thanks. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:00, 9 November 2007 (UTC) == Category watchlist on Commons == There is nothing wrong with the way you've translated the script; you have simply run into a known limitation of the script. ''The entry will only appear if there is another page on the watchlist edited that day (if the addition was the only change on that day, it's neglected).'' (The limitation is because if your watchlist doesn't have an entry for that day, there's nowhere on the page to place the new entry.) I've just tested (on Firefox 2); a change to the category does show up on the watchlist, but only if there's also a change to a watched page on the same day, and as Commons can be slower-moving than enwiki (for instance), it's possible that this condition isn't met. As a workaround, you may want to add a page like [[commons:Commons:Village pump]] to your watchlist to ensure that there always is an entry for today. [[User:Ais523|Ais523]] 17:54, 9 November 2007 (UTC) :That error's come up before. What browser are you using, IE7? There's a known caching problem with IE7 (and possibly IE6; I don't know about that) and the script in question. If you aren't on IE, try bypassing your cache again to see if that helps, and to let me know what the debug information at the bottom of the dialog box is if that doesn't help; if you are, try deleting all your temporary internet files (that worked for another user who had the same problem, after several attempts to find an easier solution). [[User:Ais523|Ais523]] == Gita in wiki books == I wrote Gita, Srimad bhagwat gita and Srimad Bhagwat Gita and Bhagwat Gita. All are same. I have removed others and kept only Gita.I thought it is easier to find my book in case one types other names. i agree with you and so I deleted other books and kept only " Gita". You can delete other books written by me like "Bhagwat Gita" or Srimad Bhagwat Gita" in wikibooks. I am thankful to wikibooks to provide such a popular plateform to publish my thoughts. Thanks [[User:Jaipaldatta|Jaipaldatta]] 04:19, 10 November 2007 (UTC) :[[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] '''{{{1|Done}}}''' '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:53, 13 November 2007 (UTC) == /w/index/... == When you see those things, please leave either me or Herbythyme a note. There are some wikimedia-wide issues involved with that, and we're trying to figure it out :). --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 00:07, 11 November 2007 (UTC) :Sure thing. I've never seen a legit page with that sort of stuff in it and it ends up getting salted. Is it possible to block page creation for anything following that sort of pattern? Presumably we'd want admins to be able to override it in certain cases. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:15, 11 November 2007 (UTC) ==Delete of [[Chemical synthesis/Nitroglycerine]]== According to deletion log, you deleted this module at 25 October 2007 and reason given, were "per vfd". I cannot find the relavant entry in [[Wikibooks:Votes for deletion]] or its archives. Could you please point me to it? (i would like to know, why it was decided to delete this module). -[[lv:user:yyy]]-[[User:83.136.142.149|83.136.142.149]] 12:42, 11 November 2007 (UTC) :Never mind, i just found in history. <small>(it appears, that everything between beginning of 2007 and time just before now, is available only in history, because last time, that page have been archived, were arround december 2006, later everything have been simply deleted, to truncate the page)</small> -[[User:83.136.142.149|83.136.142.149]] 12:52, 11 November 2007 (UTC) ::No they are still archived, just instead of archived everything during a time period together, each nomination is archived separately. The relevant archive page is [[Wikibooks:Votes for deletion/Chemical synthesis]]. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 15:36, 11 November 2007 (UTC) :::Thanks DL. I'm going to put up a more prominent explanation of the subpage archives; this is the 2nd time in as many weeks I've been asked about that vfd. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:09, 11 November 2007 (UTC) == Wikibooks images: licensing issues == ''The images you uploaded to English Wikibooks have been nominated for deletion due to licensing concerns. Please see http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Votes_for_deletion#All_unused_GFDL-presumed_images for the discussion. You can easily resolve this problem by licensing your uploads explicitly. If you have questions, please contact me on my talk page. Mike.lifeguard '' All the images I uploaded were taken by me, and I'm happy to offer them under any licence. However, I can't figure out how to do that. please advise. <small>—The preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Yish|Yish]] ([[User talk:Yish|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Yish|contribs]]) 18:51, November 11, 2007.</small> :Great! We normally recommend that images are multi-licensed under {{tlx|GFDL}} and {{tlx|cc-by-sa-3.0,2.5,2.0,1.0}}. To do this, just add {{tlx|self|GFDL|cc-by-sa-3.0,2.5,2.0,1.0}} to the image description page (don't upload the images again, just edit the image page like any other page). For other options, see [[Wikibooks:Template messages/Image namespace#Copyright and licensing]]. If you need help, just ask. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:42, 11 November 2007 (UTC) == How do I get started? == I have signed up to create a Wikibook. I am preparing for my class to create a book entitled Emerging Instructional Technology. I have already entered the preliminary information. Now I just need to find the button to click to provide me with a blank wikibook page to start the process. Can you help? thanks, Leigh Zeitz aka zeitz<small>—The preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Zeitz|Zeitz]] ([[User talk:Zeitz|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Zeitz|contribs]]) 06:22, November 12, 2007.</small> :You can do this in several ways. In the ''search'' box to the left, enter the title for the page you want to create. Click ''Go''; this will take you to a search for that page, which won't be found. Above the box you could use to search again, it will say "searching for <whatever you entered>" and will have a link to that page. Hit the link to go to the edit page. :You can also create a link to nonexisting pages. When you click that link, you'll be taken to the edit page so you can create it. :Before you get started creating pages, you should read [[WB:NP|our naming policy]] so you know how the pages should be organized. As well [[Help:Editing]] has useful beginning stuff if you haven't already taken a look. Happy editing, and feel free to come back if you need anything! '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 06:51, 12 November 2007 (UTC) == RE: Page address- http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikijunior_Big_Cats/Complete_Edition == Children may view this page. Please edit the 'Lion' page where someone has gone in and inserted "Hershey Highway" and "Call me I'm a Male Stripper", please.... Thank you. <small>—The preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:74.205.133.62|74.205.133.62]] ([[User talk:74.205.133.62|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/74.205.133.62|contribs]]) 18:47, November 12, 2007.</small> :[[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] '''{{{1|Done}}}''' - for future reference, you can edit pages yourself to remove such vandalism. Just hit the ''edit this page'' tab at the top. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:52, 13 November 2007 (UTC) == Wikibookaholic ^^ == Hey there! Wow, you are really active here. ^^ Nice to meet another wikibookaholic. --[[User:Girdi|Girdi]] 20:18, 12 November 2007 (UTC) == Peak Oil book == Hi Mike, The wikibook 'Peak Oil : High Tide for an oil addicted world' and asked where me where the content was from. The content is entirely written by myself and the team from Powerswitch, creating an introduction/dummies guide to Peak Oil. I thought it was deleted but I see that you have moved it with the renaming. I was worried! I will split it up into smaller sections as recommended. Regards, James (username PSJ) <small>—The preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:PSJ|PSJ]] ([[User talk:PSJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PSJ|contribs]]) 10:46, November 13, 2007.</small> :Do you own the copyrights to the book? (ie are you legally allowed to release the content under the GFDL?) As well, have you ever published this book before (including self-published)? Thanks for clearing up these questions. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:00, 13 November 2007 (UTC) Hi Mike, this is our own book so if there was any copyright on it, we own it, but we want it publicly available. It hasn't been published before either. [[User:PSJ|PSJ]] 08:43, 14 November 2007 (UTC) :Sounds good; just wanted to make sure that there wasn't some third party that controlled the rights. As long as you (the copyright holders) want to license it under the GFDL, you can do so. Happy editing! '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:03, 14 November 2007 (UTC) == Deletion of [[Image:Gmbooksmall.png]] == i understand, i have now uploaded Gmbook, this will replace the bigger and smaller ones, so can you please delete gmbookbig, and remove gmbooksmall? thanks ;) --[[User:Antome|Antome]] 02:37, 14 November 2007 (UTC) == I'm sorry== I'm so sorry.I didn't know.I copied the text from the ebook that I bought last summer.--[[User:Ahmed1981|Ahmed1981]] 15:11, 15 November 2007 (UTC) :Please note the '''bold''' reminder to "not submit copyrighted work without permission". Please be more careful in the future. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:01, 15 November 2007 (UTC) == vandalism == No problem Mike and thanks. Quite a little flurry of vandalism there, wasn't it? Must be school holiday somewhere. [[User:Redlentil|Redlentil]] 16:38, 15 November 2007 (UTC) cr5wjo2c7vcxi1ft2vml32j89rt70n0 4 140081 4654202 4654194 2026-07-12T14:35:21Z Codename Noreste 3441010 /* Unprotection/edit request */ reply to Tenshi Hinanawi ([[mw:c:Special:MyLanguage/User:JWBTH/CD|CD]]) 4654202 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Discussion Rooms}} {{shortcut|WB:AN|WB:AA}} {{TOC left}} {{User:MiszaBot/config |archive = Wikibooks:Reading room/Administrative Assistance/Archives/%(year)d/%(monthname)s |algo = old(14d) |counter = 1 |minthreadstoarchive = 1 |minthreadsleft = 1 }} {{ombox|type=content|text='''To request a rename or usurpation''', go to the global request page at Meta [[meta:SRUC|here]].<br />''Please do not post those requests here!''}} {{Clear}} Welcome to the '''Administrative Assistance reading room'''. You can request assistance from [[WB:ADMIN|administrators]] for handling a variety of problems here and alert them about problems which may require special actions not normally used during regular content editing. Please be patient as administrators are often quite busy with either their own projects or trying to perform general maintenance and cleanup. You can deal with most vandalism yourself: [[Wikibooks:Dealing with vandalism|fix it]], then [[Wikibooks:Templates/User_notices|warn the user]]. If there is repeated vandalism by one user, lots of vandalism on a single page, or vandalism from many users, tell an admin here, or in [irc://irc.freenode.net/wikibooks #wikibooks] (say <code>!admin</code> to get attention). For more general questions and assistance that doesn't require an administrator, please use the [[WB:HELP|Assistance Reading Room]]. {{clear}} [[Category:Reading room]] == Lisawilliam2 reported by MathXplore == * {{userlinks|Lisawilliam2}} Spam <!-- USERREPORTED:/Lisawilliam2/ --> [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 12:11, 29 June 2026 (UTC) : {{done}} by Kittycataclysm. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 23:27, 29 June 2026 (UTC) == Amz.bizistech reported by MathXplore == * {{userlinks|Amz.bizistech}} Spam <!-- USERREPORTED:/Amz.bizistech/ --> [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 12:10, 30 June 2026 (UTC) :'''Blocked'''. —[[User:Atcovi|Atcovi]] [[User talk:Atcovi|(Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Atcovi|Contribs)]] 12:11, 30 June 2026 (UTC) == Emirati yahzota reported by MathXplore == * {{userlinks|Emirati yahzota}} Long-term abuse, [[:w:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Muhammad Ali Rajab]] <!-- USERREPORTED:/Emirati yahzota/ --> [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 12:18, 2 July 2026 (UTC) :I deleted their page addition. @[[User:MarcGarver|MarcGarver]] could we get a CU here? Thanks! —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 01:28, 3 July 2026 (UTC) == Bestdealsautofla reported by MathXplore == * {{userlinks|Bestdealsautofla}} Spam <!-- USERREPORTED:/Bestdealsautofla/ --> [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 12:19, 2 July 2026 (UTC) :{{done}} —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 01:26, 3 July 2026 (UTC) == Cthrucleaningsolutionso reported by MathXplore == * {{userlinks|Cthrucleaningsolutionso}} advertising <!-- USERREPORTED:/Cthrucleaningsolutionso/ --> [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 22:19, 2 July 2026 (UTC) :{{done|Sandbox deleted}} —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 01:26, 3 July 2026 (UTC) :: The user was blocked indefinitely as a spam-only account. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 01:47, 3 July 2026 (UTC) == Protecting Pages == Hello, Admins, My name is Kayden Swanson, and I have proudly created ''[[The Geoguide]].'' But I would like to remove the ability for fellow users to edit it to prevent vandalism and preserve my prized creation I have made for school. Could you permanently lock it so others cant edit it while I still can? [[User:Kayden Swanson|Kayden Swanson]] ([[User talk:Kayden Swanson|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kayden Swanson|contribs]]) 02:41, 6 July 2026 (UTC) :Hi @[[User:Kayden Swanson|Kayden Swanson]]! Unfortunately, that is not an appropriate justification for protecting a page here at Wikibooks per the [[Wikibooks:Protection policy|protection policy]]. Notably, {{tq|"Preemptive full protection of pages is contrary to the open nature of Wikibooks"}}. Cheers —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 19:15, 6 July 2026 (UTC) ::NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO okay that's fine [[User:Kayden Swanson|Kayden Swanson]] ([[User talk:Kayden Swanson|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kayden Swanson|contribs]]) 00:26, 8 July 2026 (UTC) ::: I'm sorry, but that's not within the scope of the protection policy. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 12:39, 8 July 2026 (UTC) :::If you really want a stable version, you can make a PDF of the existing content and link it. See [[Help:Print versions]] and {{tl|Print version}}/{{tl|PDF version}}. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 19:15, 10 July 2026 (UTC) == Prudhvifmsdh reported by MathXplore == * {{userlinks|Prudhvifmsdh}} Spam <!-- USERREPORTED:/Prudhvifmsdh/ --> [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 12:39, 8 July 2026 (UTC) : {{done}}. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 13:07, 8 July 2026 (UTC) == I'm unable to create a page == Hello, I wanted to created the page [[English in Use/Agreement]]. I thought I would use a modified version of a Wikipedia article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreement_in_the_English_language). It's already written like a textbook, so I did some improvements and clicked "published", but I got the error: <blockquote>Welcome to Wikibooks!Your edit has triggered an automated filter and has been disallowed. It looks like your edit has added a large amount of content to this page.If you copied the content from another website, please do not add it without rewriting it in your own words. Unless the content is in the public domain (published before 1923), it is almost certainly copyrighted and cannot be added to Wikibooks.If all of the content is your own work and you cannot find anything to link, feel free to ask for the edit to be performed at the reading room. If you have received this message in error, you may report it here.</blockquote> What should I do? Can you help me? [[User:Justtocreateapage|Justtocreateapage]] ([[User talk:Justtocreateapage|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Justtocreateapage|contribs]]) 20:43, 10 July 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Justtocreateapage|Justtocreateapage]] An editfilter is preventing your edit. In my opinion, you did not do anything wrong and the filter is wrong, but an admin (=not me) would need to fix it. [[User:Der-Wir-Ing|Der-Wir-Ing]] ([[User talk:Der-Wir-Ing|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Der-Wir-Ing|contribs]]) 20:52, 10 July 2026 (UTC) :: {{re|Justtocreateapage}} As a new user you face harsher requirements. You should make useful edits to Wikibooks first. If you want to use a modified version of a WP article, [[Wikibooks: Requests for import|requesting an import]] is the proper venue. This [[Help: Importing|preserves the edit history]]. ‑‑[[User:Kai Burghardt|Kai Burghardt]] ([[User talk:Kai Burghardt|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kai Burghardt|contribs]]) 21:15, 10 July 2026 (UTC) :::Okay, thanks you all. I'll request for an import then [[User:Justtocreateapage|Justtocreateapage]] ([[User talk:Justtocreateapage|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Justtocreateapage|contribs]]) 21:39, 10 July 2026 (UTC) ::::{{done}} ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 21:50, 10 July 2026 (UTC) == Unprotection/edit request == Hi, would an admin please temporarily unprotect the non-MediaWiki pages at [[User:TenshiBot/Errors]]? As for the MediaWiki pages, would an admin go through them and replace the <nowiki><center></nowiki> tags and replace it with <nowiki><div style="text-align: center"></nowiki>? [[User:Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi Hinanawi]] ([[User talk:Tenshi Hinanawi|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tenshi Hinanawi|contribs]]) 23:10, 11 July 2026 (UTC) : Unprotecting, fixing, and protecting back would take too long—I know just the thing, which is using JWB. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 02:35, 12 July 2026 (UTC) : [[User:Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi Hinanawi]], I've done what JWB could process; should there be way more in your bot's error log, let me know. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 03:02, 12 July 2026 (UTC) ::There's still a lot of the <nowiki><font></nowiki> tags which need replacing in the talk page archives. [[User:Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi Hinanawi]] ([[User talk:Tenshi Hinanawi|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tenshi Hinanawi|contribs]]) 10:11, 12 July 2026 (UTC) ::: I can replace those, but should it be <code>div</code> or <code>span</code>? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 14:35, 12 July 2026 (UTC) 0fli4uf2s72v93nnjy6lqhhf3bstijb 4654203 4654202 2026-07-12T14:57:46Z Tenshi Hinanawi 3513579 /* Unprotection/edit request */ Reply 4654203 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Discussion Rooms}} {{shortcut|WB:AN|WB:AA}} {{TOC left}} {{User:MiszaBot/config |archive = Wikibooks:Reading room/Administrative Assistance/Archives/%(year)d/%(monthname)s |algo = old(14d) |counter = 1 |minthreadstoarchive = 1 |minthreadsleft = 1 }} {{ombox|type=content|text='''To request a rename or usurpation''', go to the global request page at Meta [[meta:SRUC|here]].<br />''Please do not post those requests here!''}} {{Clear}} Welcome to the '''Administrative Assistance reading room'''. You can request assistance from [[WB:ADMIN|administrators]] for handling a variety of problems here and alert them about problems which may require special actions not normally used during regular content editing. Please be patient as administrators are often quite busy with either their own projects or trying to perform general maintenance and cleanup. You can deal with most vandalism yourself: [[Wikibooks:Dealing with vandalism|fix it]], then [[Wikibooks:Templates/User_notices|warn the user]]. If there is repeated vandalism by one user, lots of vandalism on a single page, or vandalism from many users, tell an admin here, or in [irc://irc.freenode.net/wikibooks #wikibooks] (say <code>!admin</code> to get attention). For more general questions and assistance that doesn't require an administrator, please use the [[WB:HELP|Assistance Reading Room]]. {{clear}} [[Category:Reading room]] == Lisawilliam2 reported by MathXplore == * {{userlinks|Lisawilliam2}} Spam <!-- USERREPORTED:/Lisawilliam2/ --> [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 12:11, 29 June 2026 (UTC) : {{done}} by Kittycataclysm. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 23:27, 29 June 2026 (UTC) == Amz.bizistech reported by MathXplore == * {{userlinks|Amz.bizistech}} Spam <!-- USERREPORTED:/Amz.bizistech/ --> [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 12:10, 30 June 2026 (UTC) :'''Blocked'''. —[[User:Atcovi|Atcovi]] [[User talk:Atcovi|(Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Atcovi|Contribs)]] 12:11, 30 June 2026 (UTC) == Emirati yahzota reported by MathXplore == * {{userlinks|Emirati yahzota}} Long-term abuse, [[:w:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Muhammad Ali Rajab]] <!-- USERREPORTED:/Emirati yahzota/ --> [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 12:18, 2 July 2026 (UTC) :I deleted their page addition. @[[User:MarcGarver|MarcGarver]] could we get a CU here? Thanks! —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 01:28, 3 July 2026 (UTC) == Bestdealsautofla reported by MathXplore == * {{userlinks|Bestdealsautofla}} Spam <!-- USERREPORTED:/Bestdealsautofla/ --> [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 12:19, 2 July 2026 (UTC) :{{done}} —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 01:26, 3 July 2026 (UTC) == Cthrucleaningsolutionso reported by MathXplore == * {{userlinks|Cthrucleaningsolutionso}} advertising <!-- USERREPORTED:/Cthrucleaningsolutionso/ --> [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 22:19, 2 July 2026 (UTC) :{{done|Sandbox deleted}} —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 01:26, 3 July 2026 (UTC) :: The user was blocked indefinitely as a spam-only account. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 01:47, 3 July 2026 (UTC) == Protecting Pages == Hello, Admins, My name is Kayden Swanson, and I have proudly created ''[[The Geoguide]].'' But I would like to remove the ability for fellow users to edit it to prevent vandalism and preserve my prized creation I have made for school. Could you permanently lock it so others cant edit it while I still can? [[User:Kayden Swanson|Kayden Swanson]] ([[User talk:Kayden Swanson|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kayden Swanson|contribs]]) 02:41, 6 July 2026 (UTC) :Hi @[[User:Kayden Swanson|Kayden Swanson]]! Unfortunately, that is not an appropriate justification for protecting a page here at Wikibooks per the [[Wikibooks:Protection policy|protection policy]]. Notably, {{tq|"Preemptive full protection of pages is contrary to the open nature of Wikibooks"}}. Cheers —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 19:15, 6 July 2026 (UTC) ::NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO okay that's fine [[User:Kayden Swanson|Kayden Swanson]] ([[User talk:Kayden Swanson|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kayden Swanson|contribs]]) 00:26, 8 July 2026 (UTC) ::: I'm sorry, but that's not within the scope of the protection policy. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 12:39, 8 July 2026 (UTC) :::If you really want a stable version, you can make a PDF of the existing content and link it. See [[Help:Print versions]] and {{tl|Print version}}/{{tl|PDF version}}. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 19:15, 10 July 2026 (UTC) == Prudhvifmsdh reported by MathXplore == * {{userlinks|Prudhvifmsdh}} Spam <!-- USERREPORTED:/Prudhvifmsdh/ --> [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 12:39, 8 July 2026 (UTC) : {{done}}. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 13:07, 8 July 2026 (UTC) == I'm unable to create a page == Hello, I wanted to created the page [[English in Use/Agreement]]. I thought I would use a modified version of a Wikipedia article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreement_in_the_English_language). It's already written like a textbook, so I did some improvements and clicked "published", but I got the error: <blockquote>Welcome to Wikibooks!Your edit has triggered an automated filter and has been disallowed. It looks like your edit has added a large amount of content to this page.If you copied the content from another website, please do not add it without rewriting it in your own words. Unless the content is in the public domain (published before 1923), it is almost certainly copyrighted and cannot be added to Wikibooks.If all of the content is your own work and you cannot find anything to link, feel free to ask for the edit to be performed at the reading room. If you have received this message in error, you may report it here.</blockquote> What should I do? Can you help me? [[User:Justtocreateapage|Justtocreateapage]] ([[User talk:Justtocreateapage|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Justtocreateapage|contribs]]) 20:43, 10 July 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Justtocreateapage|Justtocreateapage]] An editfilter is preventing your edit. In my opinion, you did not do anything wrong and the filter is wrong, but an admin (=not me) would need to fix it. [[User:Der-Wir-Ing|Der-Wir-Ing]] ([[User talk:Der-Wir-Ing|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Der-Wir-Ing|contribs]]) 20:52, 10 July 2026 (UTC) :: {{re|Justtocreateapage}} As a new user you face harsher requirements. You should make useful edits to Wikibooks first. If you want to use a modified version of a WP article, [[Wikibooks: Requests for import|requesting an import]] is the proper venue. This [[Help: Importing|preserves the edit history]]. ‑‑[[User:Kai Burghardt|Kai Burghardt]] ([[User talk:Kai Burghardt|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kai Burghardt|contribs]]) 21:15, 10 July 2026 (UTC) :::Okay, thanks you all. I'll request for an import then [[User:Justtocreateapage|Justtocreateapage]] ([[User talk:Justtocreateapage|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Justtocreateapage|contribs]]) 21:39, 10 July 2026 (UTC) ::::{{done}} ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 21:50, 10 July 2026 (UTC) == Unprotection/edit request == Hi, would an admin please temporarily unprotect the non-MediaWiki pages at [[User:TenshiBot/Errors]]? As for the MediaWiki pages, would an admin go through them and replace the <nowiki><center></nowiki> tags and replace it with <nowiki><div style="text-align: center"></nowiki>? [[User:Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi Hinanawi]] ([[User talk:Tenshi Hinanawi|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tenshi Hinanawi|contribs]]) 23:10, 11 July 2026 (UTC) : Unprotecting, fixing, and protecting back would take too long—I know just the thing, which is using JWB. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 02:35, 12 July 2026 (UTC) : [[User:Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi Hinanawi]], I've done what JWB could process; should there be way more in your bot's error log, let me know. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 03:02, 12 July 2026 (UTC) ::There's still a lot of the <nowiki><font></nowiki> tags which need replacing in the talk page archives. [[User:Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi Hinanawi]] ([[User talk:Tenshi Hinanawi|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tenshi Hinanawi|contribs]]) 10:11, 12 July 2026 (UTC) ::: I can replace those, but should it be <code>div</code> or <code>span</code>? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 14:35, 12 July 2026 (UTC) ::::Span, though the font tag's parameters need to be converted as well, see [https://github.com/TenshiSWR/TenshiBot/blob/958b59d1a5e14a31ab8b46f66db54ebdba63e101/tasks/linterrors/obsolete_HTML_tags.py#L15-L52 the code] and the [https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/rendering.html#:~:text=When%20a%20font%20element%20has%20a%20color,%27color%27%20property%20to%20the%20resulting%20color. HTML spec] for this. [[User:Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi Hinanawi]] ([[User talk:Tenshi Hinanawi|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tenshi Hinanawi|contribs]]) 14:56, 12 July 2026 (UTC) 7eggtdyefetrchizsijjc7qzhwhgtwg 4654291 4654203 2026-07-13T11:07:30Z MarcGarver 134830 /* Emirati yahzota reported by MathXplore */ Reply 4654291 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Discussion Rooms}} {{shortcut|WB:AN|WB:AA}} {{TOC left}} {{User:MiszaBot/config |archive = Wikibooks:Reading room/Administrative Assistance/Archives/%(year)d/%(monthname)s |algo = old(14d) |counter = 1 |minthreadstoarchive = 1 |minthreadsleft = 1 }} {{ombox|type=content|text='''To request a rename or usurpation''', go to the global request page at Meta [[meta:SRUC|here]].<br />''Please do not post those requests here!''}} {{Clear}} Welcome to the '''Administrative Assistance reading room'''. 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For more general questions and assistance that doesn't require an administrator, please use the [[WB:HELP|Assistance Reading Room]]. {{clear}} [[Category:Reading room]] == Lisawilliam2 reported by MathXplore == * {{userlinks|Lisawilliam2}} Spam <!-- USERREPORTED:/Lisawilliam2/ --> [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 12:11, 29 June 2026 (UTC) : {{done}} by Kittycataclysm. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 23:27, 29 June 2026 (UTC) == Amz.bizistech reported by MathXplore == * {{userlinks|Amz.bizistech}} Spam <!-- USERREPORTED:/Amz.bizistech/ --> [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 12:10, 30 June 2026 (UTC) :'''Blocked'''. —[[User:Atcovi|Atcovi]] [[User talk:Atcovi|(Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Atcovi|Contribs)]] 12:11, 30 June 2026 (UTC) == Emirati yahzota reported by MathXplore == * {{userlinks|Emirati yahzota}} Long-term abuse, [[:w:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Muhammad Ali Rajab]] <!-- USERREPORTED:/Emirati yahzota/ --> [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 12:18, 2 July 2026 (UTC) :I deleted their page addition. @[[User:MarcGarver|MarcGarver]] could we get a CU here? Thanks! —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 01:28, 3 July 2026 (UTC) ::Nothing to see on CU. [[User:MarcGarver|MarcGarver]] ([[User talk:MarcGarver|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MarcGarver|contribs]]) 11:07, 13 July 2026 (UTC) == Bestdealsautofla reported by MathXplore == * {{userlinks|Bestdealsautofla}} Spam <!-- USERREPORTED:/Bestdealsautofla/ --> [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 12:19, 2 July 2026 (UTC) :{{done}} —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 01:26, 3 July 2026 (UTC) == Cthrucleaningsolutionso reported by MathXplore == * {{userlinks|Cthrucleaningsolutionso}} advertising <!-- USERREPORTED:/Cthrucleaningsolutionso/ --> [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 22:19, 2 July 2026 (UTC) :{{done|Sandbox deleted}} —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 01:26, 3 July 2026 (UTC) :: The user was blocked indefinitely as a spam-only account. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 01:47, 3 July 2026 (UTC) == Protecting Pages == Hello, Admins, My name is Kayden Swanson, and I have proudly created ''[[The Geoguide]].'' But I would like to remove the ability for fellow users to edit it to prevent vandalism and preserve my prized creation I have made for school. Could you permanently lock it so others cant edit it while I still can? [[User:Kayden Swanson|Kayden Swanson]] ([[User talk:Kayden Swanson|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kayden Swanson|contribs]]) 02:41, 6 July 2026 (UTC) :Hi @[[User:Kayden Swanson|Kayden Swanson]]! Unfortunately, that is not an appropriate justification for protecting a page here at Wikibooks per the [[Wikibooks:Protection policy|protection policy]]. Notably, {{tq|"Preemptive full protection of pages is contrary to the open nature of Wikibooks"}}. Cheers —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 19:15, 6 July 2026 (UTC) ::NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO okay that's fine [[User:Kayden Swanson|Kayden Swanson]] ([[User talk:Kayden Swanson|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kayden Swanson|contribs]]) 00:26, 8 July 2026 (UTC) ::: I'm sorry, but that's not within the scope of the protection policy. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 12:39, 8 July 2026 (UTC) :::If you really want a stable version, you can make a PDF of the existing content and link it. See [[Help:Print versions]] and {{tl|Print version}}/{{tl|PDF version}}. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 19:15, 10 July 2026 (UTC) == Prudhvifmsdh reported by MathXplore == * {{userlinks|Prudhvifmsdh}} Spam <!-- USERREPORTED:/Prudhvifmsdh/ --> [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 12:39, 8 July 2026 (UTC) : {{done}}. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 13:07, 8 July 2026 (UTC) == I'm unable to create a page == Hello, I wanted to created the page [[English in Use/Agreement]]. I thought I would use a modified version of a Wikipedia article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreement_in_the_English_language). It's already written like a textbook, so I did some improvements and clicked "published", but I got the error: <blockquote>Welcome to Wikibooks!Your edit has triggered an automated filter and has been disallowed. It looks like your edit has added a large amount of content to this page.If you copied the content from another website, please do not add it without rewriting it in your own words. Unless the content is in the public domain (published before 1923), it is almost certainly copyrighted and cannot be added to Wikibooks.If all of the content is your own work and you cannot find anything to link, feel free to ask for the edit to be performed at the reading room. If you have received this message in error, you may report it here.</blockquote> What should I do? Can you help me? [[User:Justtocreateapage|Justtocreateapage]] ([[User talk:Justtocreateapage|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Justtocreateapage|contribs]]) 20:43, 10 July 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Justtocreateapage|Justtocreateapage]] An editfilter is preventing your edit. In my opinion, you did not do anything wrong and the filter is wrong, but an admin (=not me) would need to fix it. [[User:Der-Wir-Ing|Der-Wir-Ing]] ([[User talk:Der-Wir-Ing|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Der-Wir-Ing|contribs]]) 20:52, 10 July 2026 (UTC) :: {{re|Justtocreateapage}} As a new user you face harsher requirements. You should make useful edits to Wikibooks first. If you want to use a modified version of a WP article, [[Wikibooks: Requests for import|requesting an import]] is the proper venue. This [[Help: Importing|preserves the edit history]]. ‑‑[[User:Kai Burghardt|Kai Burghardt]] ([[User talk:Kai Burghardt|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kai Burghardt|contribs]]) 21:15, 10 July 2026 (UTC) :::Okay, thanks you all. I'll request for an import then [[User:Justtocreateapage|Justtocreateapage]] ([[User talk:Justtocreateapage|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Justtocreateapage|contribs]]) 21:39, 10 July 2026 (UTC) ::::{{done}} ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 21:50, 10 July 2026 (UTC) == Unprotection/edit request == Hi, would an admin please temporarily unprotect the non-MediaWiki pages at [[User:TenshiBot/Errors]]? As for the MediaWiki pages, would an admin go through them and replace the <nowiki><center></nowiki> tags and replace it with <nowiki><div style="text-align: center"></nowiki>? [[User:Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi Hinanawi]] ([[User talk:Tenshi Hinanawi|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tenshi Hinanawi|contribs]]) 23:10, 11 July 2026 (UTC) : Unprotecting, fixing, and protecting back would take too long—I know just the thing, which is using JWB. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 02:35, 12 July 2026 (UTC) : [[User:Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi Hinanawi]], I've done what JWB could process; should there be way more in your bot's error log, let me know. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 03:02, 12 July 2026 (UTC) ::There's still a lot of the <nowiki><font></nowiki> tags which need replacing in the talk page archives. [[User:Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi Hinanawi]] ([[User talk:Tenshi Hinanawi|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tenshi Hinanawi|contribs]]) 10:11, 12 July 2026 (UTC) ::: I can replace those, but should it be <code>div</code> or <code>span</code>? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 14:35, 12 July 2026 (UTC) ::::Span, though the font tag's parameters need to be converted as well, see [https://github.com/TenshiSWR/TenshiBot/blob/958b59d1a5e14a31ab8b46f66db54ebdba63e101/tasks/linterrors/obsolete_HTML_tags.py#L15-L52 the code] and the [https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/rendering.html#:~:text=When%20a%20font%20element%20has%20a%20color,%27color%27%20property%20to%20the%20resulting%20color. HTML spec] for this. [[User:Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi Hinanawi]] ([[User talk:Tenshi Hinanawi|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tenshi Hinanawi|contribs]]) 14:56, 12 July 2026 (UTC) s4bq8it1jqlasziwqtuivfl0b7nn5xq 3 141188 4654256 1045875 2026-07-12T18:33:58Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654256 wikitext text/x-wiki <[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 7|older]] [[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 9|newer]]> {{Talkarchive}} {{-}} == Water Safety == Sounds good, and timely since I'm taking my cub scout pack to the lake this weekend. The hard part will be getting good pictures. Here's some CC By stuff from flickr [http://flickr.com/search/?l=commderiv&q=pfd&m=text] [http://flickr.com/search/?l=commderiv&q=water+safety&m=text] [http://flickr.com/search/?l=commderiv&q=swim+lesson&m=text] [http://flickr.com/search/?l=commderiv&q=kids+swim&m=text] that might be useful. I'm happy to help with a book like that. --[[User:Xixtas|<span style="color:turquoise">xixtas</span>]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Xixtas|<span style="color:magenta">talk</span>]]</sup> 04:43, 16 November 2007 (UTC) :Thanks a bunch for help with the pics. I've uploaded a few to commons. If you want to give feedback on the plan so far, it's at [[Wikijunior:Water Safety/meta]]. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:05, 16 November 2007 (UTC) ::It would be great to focus on what kids need to know (as opposed to what parents or lifeguards should know about keeping kids safe around water.) Simple stuff most adults probably take for granted. (Jump in feet first, read the signs, know how to float, don't get too tired, drink water, if you're in trouble call for help right away, don't swim around boats or dams, etc.) I put a few websites on the meta page for inspiration and possible reference sources. --[[User:Xixtas|<span style="color:turquoise">xixtas</span>]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Xixtas|<span style="color:magenta">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:21, 17 November 2007 (UTC) :::Yes, that's the real focus. I only started with what you see because it was the first stuff that comes to mind. It does make sense (to me at least) to include at least some stuff for their parents. I will probably move that stuff to a single page at the end though & de-emphasize it. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:23, 17 November 2007 (UTC) == Thank you... == ...for the kind welcome. This really looks like a great place, I look forward to contributing. -- [[User:RedCoat|<span style="margin:0;text-align:left;color:#ff0000;font-size:80%;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold;padding:0.2em 0.4em">RedCoat</span>]] 18:48, 16 November 2007 (UTC) == Clock recovery == Howdy, thanks for importing the clock recovery page over to wikibooks. I actually know next to nothing on the wikibooks side - could you fill me in on why an article moved over would be labeled [[Transwiki:Clock recovery]] rather than just [[Clock recovery]]? Is that just a step along the way to getting it imported? Thank you. [[User:Mrand|Mrand]] 18:13, 17 November 2007 (UTC) :Yes, that's exactly right. The Transwiki: namespace is a holding area for imported content. Once a transwiki page has been adopted, you can work on it there, then move it or the other way around - it's up to you. The point is that Transwiki: pages are still in encyclopedia article style (mostly), and they need to be turned into [[WB:WIW|textbook]] modules instead. You may be interested in reading [[WB:WFW|Wikibooks for Wikipedians]] as a starting point. Happy editing! '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:17, 17 November 2007 (UTC) ==[[Transwiki:Four Corners Solitaire]]== Thanks Mike. The above was the reason for my import request. I saw your note in the poker book :-) --[[User:AdRiley|AdRiley]] 14:34, 19 November 2007 (UTC) == If == You come across edits blanking a page and putting in websites (mainly .cn so far) they are probably Open Proxies. Seen on en wq, en wp & Commons so far today - cheers --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 11:45, 20 November 2007 (UTC) == My answer to Lifeguard == [[User:Firecircle|Firecircle]] 04:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC) What I did was edit an article lifted from my wage page a number of years ago. It was so out of date that I brought it into conformity with its equivalent on my website Quest for Atlantis. Since I was the original author, I felt free to update it. Was this Ok? Sorry, for the delayed answer--I didn't locate your question for some time. [[User:Firecircle|Firecircle]] 04:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC) :Yeah that's fine I guess. Usually we don't edit in other people's userspace (except talk pages) because it's their own personal space. No harm done really, but if that user wanted it updated they can do it themselves. :You can find your old edits easily by clicking "my contributions" in the top right corner. Happy editing! '''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:00, 21 November 2007 (UTC) == query == I don't understand what you meant to do by adding {{tl|query}} to [[Pilingual_Primer/label]]. Your edit propagated a speedy deletion box from yet another template through {{tl|query}} and [[Pilingual_Primer/label]] to the book itself, which is probably not what you meant to do. --[[User:Fasten|Fasten]] 20:11, 22 November 2007 (UTC) :Sorry for that. That page should be in the Template: namespace, I think. Without knowing that the page is a template, it does look like a very short page with little to no content which may have been created in error. You might consider moving it out of the mainspace. Thanks for the note. '''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:50, 22 November 2007 (UTC) :: I think the [[Pilingual_Primer/Manual_of_Style|manual of style]] for the book can clear up that misunderstanding. The page is as intended. --[[User:Fasten|Fasten]] 21:58, 22 November 2007 (UTC) :::If you say so. I don't see why a template that is for use in a book would be located in either the mainspace or your userspace. It's not a functional difference, so keep stuff where it is if you like, but it makes sense to me that it should be located in the template namespace. Since it doesn't matter functionally, I'll leave it be; it's up to the book community to make those decisions. '''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:07, 22 November 2007 (UTC) == IRC cloak request == I am Mike_lifeguard on freenode and I would like the cloak wikibooks/mike_lifeguard. Thanks. '''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:10, 23 November 2007 (UTC) == SoraxD == Looks like this user appeared only to delete four chapters of the Muggles' Guide. Thank you very much for re-instating them. Can I admit to some curiosity as to why the user wasn't blocked? [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 07:14, 23 November 2007 (UTC) :The damage was not as extensive as the diffs make it seem. The specific changes here have caused the diffs to be really horribly done; that why the first revert was rollback and the rest were AGF. This user only removed links - this was not an extended vandalism spree; the changes were actually relatively minor. Blocks aren't punative, so a block now doesn't make sense. If the edit history continues in the future, a block would be warranted. Thanks for keeping an eye out for that kind of thing - you do good work. '''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 07:28, 23 November 2007 (UTC) (note to self: figure out why these diffs suck) ::Perhaps then a message on his talk page might be in order? Thing is, I don't know where he got those summaries from, I expect they must have been cut and pasted from somewhere, because of the sheer speed with which they appeared. My supposition is that someone has decided to post Cole's Notes or Spark Notes instead of what we have put up there. As for why they suck? SoraxD's summaries over-summarize; they leave out events that are critical to the one book and to the series as a whole. And apart from that, they flatten the characters to the point that we simply don't care what happens to them. I'd like to think that I don't do either of those... or at least, not as much. Timing note: The early books, like PoA, it took me about 30 minutes to summarize a chapter. The later books, especially OotP and DH, an hour was good time for a chapter. And I write fast, I'm told. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 07:59, 23 November 2007 (UTC) :::Yes, a warning is certainly in order (done now - forgot previously). I meant the actual diffs. They really sucked at showing what changed. MediaWiki calculates diffs on the fly, and there have been complaints that the algorithm used is less than perfect. [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Muggles%27_Guide_to_Harry_Potter/Books/Prisoner_of_Azkaban/Chapter_4&diff=prev&oldid=1036863 This diff] (for example) is simply de-linking the character names, but the diff makes it look like he's ripped the page apart. The other edits were poor quality, but hardly disruptive vandalism. '''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 08:07, 23 November 2007 (UTC) ::::Of course, something else that he did seems to have removed all the paragraph breaks from the rendered text, which also makes it much harder to read. And I can also see why the diff algorithm is so horrible. The MediaWiki algorithm basically counts differences, and if it reaches a certain level, it says "this is a completely new paragraph", and offsets everything that follows by one paragraph. It does not attempt to re-sync once it has fallen out of step. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 08:39, 23 November 2007 (UTC) == Re: [[User:BryanBot]] == Nope, it is currently not possible to have something like (+2 Edit requests). This is due to the fact that I don't store data of the previous run. It may be possible that I come up with something else, but I need to give it some thought. [[User:Bryan Tong Minh|Bryan]] <small>[[User talk:Bryan Tong Minh|talk]] | [[:commons:User:Bryan|commons]])</small> 22:19, 23 November 2007 (UTC) :Yes it rebuilds the list each time and overwrites the old list. [[User:Bryan Tong Minh|Bryan]] <small>[[User talk:Bryan Tong Minh|talk]] | [[:commons:User:Bryan|commons]])</small> 23:06, 23 November 2007 (UTC) == When == you are on meta keep an eye on [[m:User:Drini/daylog|this]] - it has useful info from time to time :) --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 17:12, 24 November 2007 (UTC) :Will do. Very nice page; I like! '''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:20, 24 November 2007 (UTC) ::I'm getting the measure of you now:) I have some regrets about my edits on the RfA page - I also regret not supporting you - I know your work better now --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 09:42, 25 November 2007 (UTC) :::Thanks for the vote of confidence. It's always good to know your work is appreciated. You're a bit of a star yourself, so that makes a bit of extra difference. =D '''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:55, 25 November 2007 (UTC) == Directing Technology/Purchase/planning == Per your request, everything that used to be located at Directing Technology/Purchase/planning is now located at Directing Technology/Purchase/. Members of my group were using Directing Technology/Purchase/planning as an area where we were brainstorming ideas. Please do what ever you need to delete Directing Technology/Purchase/planning. Let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Dabrace1984|Dabrace1984]] 19:52, 24 November 2007 (UTC)Douglas Brace :Thanks! I will history merge imminently. '''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:41, 24 November 2007 (UTC) Mike, thank you for your help. I believe that you might have gotten confused with my request. Everything that is located at http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Directing_Technology/Purchase/planning can be deleted. I believe that you copied everything over from http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Directing_Technology/Purchase/. Can http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Directing_Technology/Purchase/planning be deleted or should I just make it blank? Sorry for any confusion ~~ dabrace1984 :No, I left it as a redirect on purpose, but I didn't notice that it was an orphan. I've now deleted it. '''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:52, 27 November 2007 (UTC) == Do spaces remove the hit ? == Did they ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] 02:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC) :Yeah; thanks for that. But now it's saying "copyvio?"... that one ''is'' a bug! I'm trying to figure out the best way to fix it right now. Don't worry about this one; we'll change the bot (or something). '''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:56, 27 November 2007 (UTC) :Lol, if you need any help just ask... in any case I draw a line on changing my alias... (the Panic keyword has historically been used as an error code and is know to give problems in very old code) --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] 02:59, 27 November 2007 (UTC) == Cookbook:Eton mess == Hi, you tagged "[[Cookbook:Eton mess]]" with a {{tl|copyvio}} tag. I don't think it violates any copyright &ndash; it appears to be a generic recipe. It was originally in the article "[[w:Eton mess|Eton mess]]" but was removed from en.wikipedia as unencyclopedic, so I thought it would be helpful to include it in the Cookbook instead. I've had a look at several other recipes in the Cookbook, and none of them seem to have any references. [[User:Jacklee|Jacklee]] 18:01, 27 November 2007 (UTC) :Did you check the URL provided? It uses the exact same words. Since this comes from en.wp, the most likely thing is that that site is the copyvio. I'll remove the tag and history-merge with an import from en.wp. Thanks for clearing that up. '''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:03, 27 November 2007 (UTC) What URL? I had a look at older versions of the article containing the {{tl|copyvio}} tag and there didn't seem to be any URL indicated on the tag. Anyway, thanks for clarifying and cleaning up the matter. [[User:Jacklee|Jacklee]] 18:08, 27 November 2007 (UTC) == Ta == Thanks! [[User:Ewen|Ewen]] 22:55, 27 November 2007 (UTC) ==Archives== They will see the message :-) They have an odd system, the archives are templated in the main page. It is at the right place :-) Editors write in the archives and the archives are displayed in Le Bistro. Very odd people... [[User:Anthere|Anthere]] 22:46, 28 November 2007 (UTC) :Oh. Odd is right. Thanks anyways! '''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:46, 28 November 2007 (UTC) == Logo Advertisements == Hey mike, thanks for your help with advertising the logo thing. I've been so busy lately with school that I keep forgetting details like the site notice or the bulletin board. I can't wait till the semester is over, and I can get back to regular, old-fashioned, wiki addiction. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 13:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC) ==Query - Why?== Hello You have put a comment on my recipe for Tarte Tatin which I dont quite understand (my fault probably) - I put up this recipe and it is intended for the Cookbook section of Wikibooks. Is this wrong ? Thanks - Peter <small>—The preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Peterkirchem|Peterkirchem]] ([[User talk:Peterkirchem|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Peterkirchem|contribs]]) 22:37, November 29, 2007.</small> :At the time {{tlx|query}} was added, that page consisted of a single sentence. Since you've expanded it since the, there's no problem. Thanks! '''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:23, 29 November 2007 (UTC) == It's me again... == There are a few more Lucid Dreaming pages that have seem to appear outside of the book. One of them is at: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Lucid_Dreaming:_Reality_Checks:_Finger_Stretching Last time you said I should ask you to move this page. It belongs under the reality checks section of the book. Following the links from THAT page, there are more articles with colons such as: Lucid_Dreaming''':'''_Reality_Checks''':'''_Finger_Stretchin-g There are many pages with colons in their URL. I'm wondering if it is synonmymous with the slashes of the official book, or if it's another seperate page. There are two copies of pages such as: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Lucid_Dreaming/Induction_Techniques and http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Lucid_Dreaming:_Induction_Techniques Why are there colons on some of the URLs and not others? [[User:Erik212|Erik212]] 22:38, 29 November 2007 (UTC) :Yes, it looks like this book uses an old naming convention. Technically it is grandfathered under the [[WB:NP|naming policy]], but it's probably a good idea to update to the slash convention instead. I'll have a go with this; you're welcome to help out if you like. In this case, renaming looks fairly straightforward; just replace any colons with a slash instead (and remove the space after the colon if there is one) - so [[Lucid Dreaming: Induction Techniques]] will be moved to [[Lucid Dreaming/Induction Techniques]]. Thanks! '''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:52, 29 November 2007 (UTC) ::OK, thanks for the prompt reply. How exactly do I change the URL for the article? [[User:Erik212|Erik212]] 22:54, 29 November 2007 (UTC) :::There's a ''move'' tab at the top. Just click that and enter the new name and the reason you're moving the page. When in doubt, you should move the talk page along with it (there's a check box to do both moves in parallel). Just looking at [[Special:Prefixindex/Lucid Dreaming]] though, I think all the renaming has been done; I'll see if I can update some links and delete some orphan redirects though. If you see other books which need to be updated to the slash convention, it's probably safe to go ahead and do it. '''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:56, 29 November 2007 (UTC) :::OK, got it. Thanks for the help again. [[User:Erik212|Erik212]] 22:58, 29 November 2007 (UTC) == shortcuts == Hi Mike: I think the shortcuts are a great idea, however you need to be careful to use the ''long'' name of the pages in the redirects, rather than the shortcuts, otherwise you make a double-redirect (a shortcut directing to a shortcut). Hope you have a good day. [[User:Mattb112885|Mattb112885]] <small> ([[User talk:Mattb112885|talk to me]]) </small> 20:42, 30 November 2007 (UTC) :Yes, I'm just going back now to fix them :) '''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:43, 30 November 2007 (UTC) == Ha == Was just coming to tell you about the "MediaWiki:Deletereason-dropdown" page - might have guessed you would have found it already! And should have added "good work" on it too. Cheers --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 08:32, 1 December 2007 (UTC) :Thanks. I had a heads-up because I stumbled across the bugzilla request the other day ;) '''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 14:47, 1 December 2007 (UTC) ::And of course people have such interesting ideas on other wikis :) Good to see you "around", cheers --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 10:12, 2 December 2007 (UTC) ==See my talk page== There is somthing changed in my talk page. [[User:Black Rhino Ranger|Black Rhino Ranger]] 10:55, 1 December 2007 (UTC) dvdeq3g91fq8zyviy0jwjotiktjyfua 0 142006 4654266 4653244 2026-07-12T23:06:28Z Vard 57 3408170 /* List of Many WMIs */ Added a brand, from fixed the alphabetical order 4654266 wikitext text/x-wiki ==World Manufacturer Identifier== The first three characters uniquely identify the manufacturer of the vehicle using the '''World Manufacturer Identifier''' or '''WMI''' code. A manufacturer that builds fewer than 1000 vehicles per year uses a 9 as the third digit and the 12th, 13th and 14th position of the VIN for a second part of the identification. Some manufacturers use the third character as a code for a vehicle category (e.g., bus or truck), a division within a manufacturer, or both. For example, within 1G (assigned to General Motors in the United States), 1G1 represents Chevrolet passenger cars; 1G2, Pontiac passenger cars; and 1GC, Chevrolet trucks. ===WMI Regions=== The first character of the WMI is the region in which the manufacturer is located. In practice, each is assigned to a country of manufacture. Common auto-manufacturing countries are noted. <ref>{{cite web | url=https://standards.iso.org/iso/3780/ | title=ISO Standards Maintenance Portal: ISO 3780 | publisher=[[wikipedia:International Organization for Standardization]]}}</ref> {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" |- ! WMI ! Region ! Notes |- | A-C | Africa | AA-AH = South Africa<br />BF-BG = Kenya<br />BU = Uganda<br />CA-CB = Egypt<br />DF-DK = Morocco |- | E, H-R | Asia | E=Russia<br />H = China<br />J = Japan<br />KF-KH = Israel<br />KL-KR = South Korea<br />L = China<br />MA-ME = India<br />MF-MK = Indonesia<br />ML-MR = Thailand<br />MS = Myanmar<br />MX = Kazakhstan<br />MY-M0 = India<br />NF-NG = Pakistan<br />NL-NR = Turkey<br />NS-NT = Uzbekistan<br />PA-PC = Philippines<br />PF-PG = Singapore<br />PL-PR = Malaysia<br />PS-PT = Bangladesh<br />PV=Cambodia<br />RA-RB = United Arab Emirates<br />RF-RK = Taiwan<br />RL-RN = Vietnam<br />RS-RT = Saudi Arabia<br />RU-RW = Russia<br />R1-R7 = Hong Kong |- | S-Z | Europe | SA-SM = United Kingdom<br />SN-ST = Germany (formerly East Germany)<br />SU-SZ = Poland<br />TA-TH = Switzerland<br />TJ-TP = Czech Republic<br />TR-TV = Hungary<br />TW-T2 = Portugal<br />UH-UM = Denmark<br />UN-UR = Ireland<br />UU-UX = Romania<br />U1-U2 = North Macedonia<br />U5-U7 = Slovakia<br />VA-VE = Austria<br />VF-VR = France<br />VS-VW = Spain<br />VX-V2 = France (formerly Serbia/Yugoslavia)<br />V3-V5 = Croatia<br />V6-V8 = Estonia<br /> W = Germany (formerly West Germany)<br />XA-XC = Bulgaria<br />XF-XH = Greece<br />XL-XR = The Netherlands<br />XS-XW = Russia (formerly USSR)<br />XX-XY = Luxembourg<br />XZ-X0 = Russia<br />YA-YE = Belgium<br />YF-YK = Finland<br />YS-YW = Sweden<br />YX-Y2 = Norway<br />Y3-Y5 = Belarus<br />Y6-Y8 = Ukraine<br />ZA-ZU = Italy<br />ZX-ZZ = Slovenia<br />Z3-Z5 = Lithuania<br />Z6-Z0 = Russia |- | 1-5 | North America | 1, 4, 5 = United States<br />2 = Canada<br />3 = Mexico<br />7F-70 = United States |- | 6-7 | Oceania | 6A-6W = Australia<br />7A-7E = New Zealand<br />Revised: 6A-6X = Australia<br />6Y-61 = New Zealand |- | 8-9 | South America | 8A-8E = Argentina<br />8F-8G = Chile<br />8L-8N = Ecuador<br />8S-8T = Peru<br />8X-8Z = Venezuela<br />82 = Bolivia<br />84 = Costa Rica<br />9A-9E, 91-90 = Brazil<br />9F-9G = Colombia<br />9S-9V = Uruguay |} {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" |- ! &nbsp; ! A ! B ! C ! D ! E ! F ! G ! H ! J ! K ! L ! M ! N ! P ! R ! S ! T ! U ! V ! W ! X ! Y ! Z ! 1 ! 2 ! 3 ! 4 ! 5 ! 6 ! 7 ! 8 ! 9 ! 0 |- | '''A''' || colspan="8" | South Africa || colspan="2" | Ivory Coast || colspan="2" | Lesotho || colspan="2" | Botswana || colspan="2" | Namibia || colspan="2" | Madagascar || colspan="2" | Mauritius || colspan="2" | Tunisia || colspan="2" | Cyprus || colspan="2" | Zimbabwe || colspan="2" | Mozambique || colspan="5" | ''Africa'' |- | '''B''' || colspan="2" | Angola || colspan="1" | Ethiopia || colspan="2" | ''Africa'' || colspan="2" | Kenya || colspan="1" | Rwanda || colspan="2" | ''Africa'' || colspan="1" | Nigeria || colspan="3" | ''Africa'' || colspan="1" | Algeria || colspan="1" | ''Africa'' || colspan="1" | Swaziland || colspan="1" | Uganda || colspan="7" | ''Africa''|| colspan="2" | Libya || colspan="6" | ''Africa'' |- | '''C''' || colspan="2" | Egypt || colspan="3" | ''Africa'' || colspan="2" | Morocco || colspan="3" | ''Africa'' || colspan="2" | Zambia || colspan="21" | ''Africa'' |- | '''D''' || colspan="33" rowspan="1" | |- | '''E''' || colspan="33" | Russia |- | '''F''' || colspan="33" rowspan="2" | |- | '''G''' |- | '''H''' || colspan="33" | China |- | '''J''' || colspan="33" | Japan |- | '''K''' || colspan="5" | ''Asia'' || colspan="3" | Israel || colspan="2" | ''Asia'' || colspan="5" | South Korea || colspan="2" | Jordan || colspan="6" | ''Asia'' || colspan="3" | South Korea || colspan="1" | ''Asia'' || colspan="1" | Kyrgyzstan || colspan="5" | ''Asia'' |- | '''L''' || colspan="33" | China |- | '''M''' || colspan="5" | India || colspan="5" | Indonesia || colspan="5" | Thailand || colspan="1" | Myanmar || colspan="1" | ''Asia'' || colspan="1" | Mongolia || colspan="2" | ''Asia'' || colspan="1" | Kazakhstan || colspan="12" | India |- | '''N''' || colspan="5" | Iran || colspan="2" | Pakistan || colspan="1" | ''Asia'' || colspan="1" | Iraq || colspan="1" | ''Asia'' || colspan="5" | Turkey || colspan="2" | Uzbekistan || colspan="1" | ''Asia'' || colspan="1" | Azerbaijan || colspan="1" | ''Asia'' || colspan="1" | Tajikistan || colspan="1" | Armenia || colspan="1" | ''Asia'' || colspan="5" | Iran || colspan="1" | ''Asia'' || colspan="2" | Turkey || colspan="2" | ''Asia'' |- | '''P''' || colspan="3" | Philippines || colspan="2" | ''Asia'' || colspan="2" | Singapore || colspan="3" | ''Asia'' || colspan="5" | Malaysia || colspan="2" | Bangladesh || colspan="10" | ''Asia'' || colspan="6" | India |- | '''R''' || colspan="2" | UAE || colspan="3" | ''Asia'' || colspan="5" | Taiwan || colspan="3" | Vietnam || colspan="1" | Laos || colspan="1" | ''Asia'' || colspan="2" | Saudi Arabia || colspan="3" | Russia || colspan="3" | ''Asia'' || colspan="7" | Hong Kong || colspan="3" | ''Asia'' |- ! &nbsp; ! A ! B ! C ! D ! E ! F ! G ! H ! J ! K ! L ! M ! N ! P ! R ! S ! T ! U ! V ! W ! X ! Y ! Z ! 1 ! 2 ! 3 ! 4 ! 5 ! 6 ! 7 ! 8 ! 9 ! 0 |- | '''S''' || colspan="12" | United Kingdom || colspan="5" | Germany <small>(formerly East Germany)</small> || colspan="6" | Poland || colspan="2" | Latvia || colspan="1" | Georgia || colspan="1" | Iceland || colspan="6" | ''Europe'' |- | '''T''' || colspan="8" | Switzerland || colspan="6" | Czech Republic || colspan="5" | Hungary || colspan="6" | Portugal || colspan="3" | Serbia || colspan="1" | Andorra || colspan="2" | Netherlands || colspan="2" | ''Europe'' |- | '''U''' || colspan="3" | Spain || colspan="4" | ''Europe'' || colspan="5" | Denmark || colspan="3" | Ireland || colspan="2" | ''Europe'' || colspan="4" | Romania || colspan="2" | ''Europe'' || colspan="2" | North Macedonia || colspan="2" | ''Europe'' || colspan="3" | Slovakia || colspan="3" | Bosnia & Herzogovina |- | '''V''' || colspan="5" | Austria || colspan="10" | France || colspan="5" | Spain || colspan="5" | France <small>(formerly Yugoslavia & Serbia)</small> || colspan="3" | Croatia || colspan="3" | Estonia || colspan="2" | ''Europe'' |- | '''W''' || colspan="33" | Germany |- | '''X''' || colspan="3" | Bulgaria || colspan="2" | Russia || colspan="3" | Greece || colspan="2" | Russia || colspan="5" | Netherlands || colspan="5" | Russia <small>(formerly USSR)</small> || colspan="2" | Luxembourg || colspan="11" | Russia |- | '''Y''' || colspan="5" | Belgium || colspan="5" | Finland || colspan="2" | ''Europe'' || colspan="1" | Malta || colspan="2" | ''Europe'' || colspan="5" | Sweden || colspan="5" | Norway || colspan="3" | Belarus || colspan="3" | Ukraine || colspan="2" | ''Europe'' |- | '''Z''' || colspan="18" | Italy || colspan="2" | ''Europe'' || colspan="3" | Slovenia || colspan="1" | San Marino|| colspan="1" | ''Europe''|| colspan="3" | Lithuania || colspan="5" | Russia |- | '''1''' || colspan="33" | United States |- | '''2''' || colspan="28" | Canada || colspan="5" | ''North America'' |- | '''3''' || colspan="21" | Mexico || colspan="5" | ''North America'' || colspan="1" | Nicaragua || colspan="1" | Dom. Rep. || colspan="1" | Honduras || colspan="1" | Panama || colspan="2" | Puerto Rico || colspan="1" | ''North America'' |- | '''4''' || colspan="33" rowspan="2" | United States |- | '''5''' |- | '''6''' || colspan="21" | Australia || colspan="3" | New Zealand || colspan="9" | ''Oceania'' |- | '''7''' || colspan="5" | New Zealand || colspan="28" | United States |- | '''8''' || colspan="5" | Argentina || colspan=2 | Chile || colspan="3" | ''South America'' || colspan="3" | Ecuador || colspan="2" | ''South America'' || colspan="2" | Peru || colspan="3" | ''South America'' || colspan="3" | Venezuela || colspan="1" | ''SA'' || colspan="1" | Bolivia || colspan="1" | ''SA'' || colspan="1" | Costa Rica || colspan="6" | ''South America'' |- | '''9''' || colspan="5" | Brazil || colspan="2" | Colombia || colspan="8" | ''South America'' || colspan="4" | Uruguay || colspan="4" | ''South America'' || colspan="10" | Brazil |- | '''0''' || colspan="33" rowspan="1" | |} ===List of Many WMIs=== The [[w:Society of Automotive Engineers|Society of Automotive Engineers]] (SAE) in the US assigns WMIs to countries and manufacturers.<ref>{{cite web | url=https://www.iso.org/standard/45844.html | title=ISO 3780:2009 - Road vehicles — World manufacturer identifier (WMI) code | date=October 2009 | publisher=International Organization for Standardization}}</ref> The following table contains a list of mainly commonly used WMIs, although there are many others assigned. {| class="wikitable x" style="text-align:center" |- ! WMI !! Manufacturer |- | AAA|| Audi South Africa made by Volkswagen of South Africa |- | AAK|| FAW Vehicle Manufacturers SA (PTY) Ltd. |- | AAM|| MAN Automotive (South Africa) (Pty) Ltd. (includes VW Truck & Bus) |- |AAP || VIN restamped by South African Police Service (so-called SAPVIN or AAPV number) |- | AAV || Volkswagen South Africa |- | AAW || Challenger Trailer Pty Ltd. (South Africa) |- | AA9/CN1 || TR-Tec Pty Ltd. (South Africa) |- | ABJ || Mitsubishi Colt & Triton pickups made by Mercedes-Benz South Africa 1994–2011 |- | ABJ || Mitsubishi Fuso made by Daimler Trucks & Buses Southern Africa |- | ABM || BMW Southern Africa |- | ACV || Isuzu Motors South Africa 2018- |- | AC5 || [[../Hyundai/VIN Codes|Hyundai]] Automotive South Africa |- | AC9/BM1 || Beamish Beach Buggies (South Africa) |- | ADB || Mercedes-Benz South Africa car |- | ADD || UD Trucks Southern Africa (Pty) Ltd. |- | ADM || General Motors South Africa (includes Isuzu through 2018) |- | ADN || Nissan South Africa (Pty) Ltd. |- | ADR || Renault Sandero made by Nissan South Africa (Pty) Ltd. |- | ADX || Tata Automobile Corporation (SA) Ltd. |- | AE9/MT1 || Backdraft Racing (South Africa) |- | AFA || Ford Motor Company of Southern Africa & Samcor |- | AFB || Mazda BT-50 made by Ford Motor Company of Southern Africa |- | AFD || BAIC Automotive South Africa |- | AFZ || Fiat Auto South Africa |- | AHH || Hino South Africa |- | AHM || Honda Ballade made by Mercedes-Benz South Africa 1982–2000 |- | AHT || Toyota South Africa Motors (Pty.) Ltd. |- | BF9/|| KIBO Motorcycles, Kenya |- | BUK || Kiira Motors Corporation, Uganda |- | BR1 || Mercedes-Benz Algeria (SAFAV MB) |- | BRY || FIAT Algeria |- | CA3 || MCV bus (Egypt) |- | DDY || Geyushi Motors (bus) (Egypt) |- | DF9/|| Laraki (Morocco) |- | EAA || Aurus Motors (Russia) |- | EAN || Evolute (Russia) |- | EAU || Elektromobili Manufacturing Rus - EVM (Russia) |- | EBE || Sollers-Auto (Russia) |- | EBZ || Nizhekotrans bus (Russia) |- | ECE || XCITE (Russia) |- | ECW || Trans-Alfa bus (Russia) |- | HAC || GAC Motor (Aion) |- | HA0 || Wuxi Sundiro Electric Vehicle Co., Ltd. (Palla, Parray) |- | HA6 || Niu Technologies |- | HA7 || Jinan Qingqi KR Motors Co., Ltd. |- | HES || smart Automobile Co., Ltd. (Mercedes-Geely joint venture) |- | HGL || Farizon Auto van (Geely) |- | HGX || Wuling Motors commercial vehicle (Geely) |- | HHZ || Huazi Automobile |- | HJN || Nio, Firefly |- | HJR || Chery Commercial Vehicle (Anhui) Co., Ltd. Jetour made by Chery Commercial Vehicle |- | HJZ || Juzhen Chengshi van |- | HJ4 || BAW car |- | HLX || Li Auto |- | HL4 || Zhejiang Morini Vehicle Co., Ltd. <br />(Moto Morini subsidiary of Taizhou Zhongneng Motorcycle Co., Ltd.) |- | HRV || Beijing Henrey Automobile Technology Co., Ltd. |- | HVW || Volkswagen Anhui |- | HWM || WM Motor Technology Co., Ltd. (Weltmeister) |- | HXM || Xiaomi |- | HZ2 || Taizhou Zhilong Technology Co., Ltd (motorcycle) |- | H0D || Taizhou Qianxin Vehicle Co., Ltd. (motorcycle) |- | H0G || Wisdom (Fujian) Motor Co., Ltd. (bus) |- | JAA || Isuzu truck, Holden Rodeo TF, Opel Campo, Bedford/Vauxhall Brava pickup made by Isuzu in Japan |- | JAB || Isuzu car |- | JAC || Isuzu SUV, Opel/Vauxhall Monterey & Holden Jackaroo/Monterey made by Isuzu in Japan |- | JAE || Acura SLX made by Isuzu |- | JAL || Isuzu commercial trucks & <br /> Chevrolet commercial trucks made by Isuzu 2016+ & <br /> Hino S-series truck made by Isuzu (Incomplete Vehicle - medium duty) |- | JAM || Isuzu commercial trucks (Incomplete Vehicle - light duty) |- | JA3 || Mitsubishi car (for North America) |- | JA4 || Mitsubishi MPV/SUV (for North America) & Nissan Rogue PHEV '26 |- | JA7 || Mitsubishi truck (for North America) |- | JB3 || Dodge car made by Mitsubishi Motors |- | JB4 || Dodge MPV/SUV made by Mitsubishi Motors |- | JB7 || Dodge truck made by Mitsubishi Motors |- | JC0 || Ford brand cars made by Mazda |- | JC1 || Fiat 124 Spider made by Mazda |- | JC2 || Ford Courier made by Mazda |- | JDA || Daihatsu, Subaru Justy made by Daihatsu |- | JD1 || Daihatsu car |- | JD2 || Daihatsu SUV |- | JD4 || Daihatsu truck |- | JE3 || Eagle car made by Mitsubishi Motors |- | JE4 || Mitsubishi Motors |- | JF1 || ([[../Subaru/VIN Codes|Subaru]]) car |- | JF2 || ([[../Subaru/VIN Codes|Subaru]]) SUV |- | JF3 || ([[../Subaru/VIN Codes|Subaru]]) truck |- | JF4 || Saab 9-2X made by Subaru |- | JG1 || Chevrolet/Geo car made by Suzuki |- | JG2 || Pontiac car made by Suzuki |- | JG7 || Pontiac/Asuna car made by Suzuki for GM Canada |- | JGC || Chevrolet/Geo SUV made by Suzuki (classified as a truck) |- | JGT || GMC SUV made by Suzuki for GM Canada (classified as a truck) |- | JHA || Hino truck |- | JHB || Hino incomplete vehicle |- | JHD || Hino |- | JHF || Hino |- | JHH || Hino incomplete vehicle |- | JHF-JHG, JHL-JHN, JHZ,<br/>JH1-JH5 || [[../Honda/VIN Codes|Honda]] |- | JHL || [[../Honda/VIN Codes|Honda]] MPV/SUV |- | JHM || [[../Honda/VIN Codes|Honda]] car |- | JH1 || [[../Honda/VIN Codes|Honda]] truck |- | JH2 || [[../Honda/VIN Codes|Honda]] motorcycle/ATV |- | JH3 || [[../Honda/VIN Codes|Honda]] ATV |- | JH4 || Acura car |- | JH6 || Hino incomplete vehicle |- | JJ3 || Chrysler brand car made by Mitsubishi Motors |- | JKA || Kawasaki (motorcycles) |- | JKB || Kawasaki (motorcycles) |- | JKM || Mitsuoka |- | JKS || Suzuki Marauder 1600/Boulevard M95 motorcycle made by Kawasaki |- | JK8 || Suzuki QUV620F UTV made by Kawasaki |- | JLB || Mitsubishi Fuso Truck & Bus Corp. |- | JLF || Mitsubishi Fuso Truck & Bus Corp. |- | JLS || Sterling Truck 360 made by Mitsubishi Fuso Truck & Bus Corp. |- | JL5 || Mitsubishi Fuso Truck & Bus Corp. |- | JL6 || Mitsubishi Fuso Truck & Bus Corp. |- | JL7 || Mitsubishi Fuso Truck & Bus Corp. |- | JMA || Mitsubishi Motors (right-hand drive) for Europe |- | JMB || Mitsubishi Motors (left-hand drive) for Europe |- | JMF || Mitsubishi Motors for Australia (including Mitsubishi Express made by Renault) |- | JMP || Mitsubishi Motors (left-hand drive) |- | JMR || Mitsubishi Motors (right-hand drive) |- | JMY || Mitsubishi Motors (left-hand drive) for South America & Middle East |- | JMZ || Mazda for Europe export & Mazda 2 made by Ford Spain & Mazda 2 Hybrid made by Toyota Motor Manufacturing France |- | JM0 || Mazda for Oceania export |- | JM1 || Mazda car |- | JM2 || Mazda truck |- | JM3 || Mazda MPV/SUV |- | JM4 || Mazda |- | JM6 || Mazda |- | JM7 || Mazda |- | JNA || Nissan Diesel/UD Trucks (incomplete vehicle) |- | JNC || Nissan Diesel/UD Trucks |- | JNE || Nissan Diesel/UD Trucks (truck) |- | JNK || Infiniti car |- | JNR || Infiniti SUV |- | JNX || Infiniti incomplete vehicle |- | JN1 || Nissan car & Infiniti car |- | JN3 || Nissan incomplete vehicle |- | JN6 || Nissan truck/van & Mitsubishi Fuso Canter Van |- | JN8 || Nissan MPV/SUV & Infiniti SUV |- | JPA || International Trucks made by Nissan Diesel (incomplete vehicle) |- | JPB || International Trucks made by Nissan Diesel (tractor truck) |- | JPC || Nissan Diesel/UD Trucks |- | JPE || International Trucks made by Nissan Diesel (truck) |- | JP3 || Plymouth car made by Mitsubishi Motors |- | JP4 || Plymouth MPV/SUV made by Mitsubishi Motors |- | JP7 || Plymouth truck made by Mitsubishi Motors |- | JR2 || Isuzu Oasis made by Honda |- | JSA || Suzuki ATV & '03 Kawasaki KFX400 ATV made by Suzuki, Suzuki car/SUV (outside N. America), Holden Cruze YG made by Suzuki |- | JSK || Kawasaki KLX125/KLX125L motorcycle made by Suzuki |- | JSL || '04-'06 Kawasaki KFX400 ATV made by Suzuki |- | JST || Suzuki Across SUV made by Toyota |- | JS1 || Suzuki motorcycle & Kawasaki KLX400S/KLX400SR motorcycle made by Suzuki |- | JS2 || Suzuki car |- | JS3 || Suzuki SUV |- | JS4 || Suzuki truck |- | JTB || Toyota bus |- | JTD || Toyota car |- | JTE || Toyota MPV/SUV |- | JTF || Toyota van/truck |- | JTG || Toyota MPV/bus |- | JTH || Lexus car |- | JTJ || Lexus SUV |- | JTK || Toyota car |- | JTL || Toyota SUV |- | JTM || Toyota SUV, Subaru Solterra made by Toyota |- | JTN || Toyota car |- | JTP || Toyota SUV |- | JT1 || [[../Toyota/VIN Codes|Toyota]] van |- | JT2 || Toyota car |- | JT3 || Toyota MPV/SUV |- | JT4 || Toyota truck/van |- | JT5 || Toyota incomplete vehicle |- | JT6 || Lexus SUV |- | JT7 || Toyota bus/van |- | JT8 || Lexus car |- | JW6 || Mitsubishi Fuso division of Mitsubishi Motors (through mid-2003) |- | JYA || Yamaha motorcycles |- | JYE || Yamaha snowmobile |- | JY3 || Yamaha 3-wheel ATV |- | JY4 || Yamaha 4-wheel ATV |- | J81 || Chevrolet/Geo car made by Isuzu |- | J87 || Pontiac/Asüna car made by Isuzu for GM Canada |- | J8B || Chevrolet commercial trucks made by Isuzu (incomplete vehicle) |- | J8C || Chevrolet commercial trucks made by Isuzu (truck) |- | J8D || GMC commercial trucks made by Isuzu (incomplete vehicle) |- | J8T || GMC commercial trucks made by Isuzu (truck) |- | J8Z || Chevrolet LUV pickup truck made by Isuzu |- | KF3 || Merkavim (Israel) |- | KF6 || Automotive Industries, Ltd. (Israel) |- | KF9/004 || Tomcar (Israel) |- | KG9/002 || Charash Ashdod (truck trailer) (Israel) |- | KG9/004 || H. Klein (truck trailer) (Israel) |- | KG9/007 || Agam Trailers (truck trailer) (Israel) |- | KG9/009 || Merkavey Noa (trailer) (Israel) |- | KG9/010 || Weingold Trailers (trailer) (Israel) |- | KG9/011 || Netzer Sereni (truck trailer) (Israel) |- | KG9/015 || Merkaz Hagrorim (trailer) (Israel) |- | KG9/035 || BEL Technologies (truck trailer) (Israel) |- | KG9/091 || Jansteel (truck trailer) (Israel) |- | KG9/101 || Bassamco (truck trailer) (Israel) |- | KG9/104 || Global Handasa (truck trailer) (Israel) |- | KL || Daewoo [[../GM/VIN Codes|General Motors]] South Korea |- | KLA || Daewoo/GM Daewoo/GM Korea (Chevrolet/Alpheon)<br /> from Bupyeong & Kunsan plants |- | KLP || CT&T United (battery electric low-speed vehicles) |- | KLT || Tata Daewoo |- | KLU || Tata Daewoo |- | KLY || Daewoo/GM Daewoo/GM Korea (Chevrolet) from Changwon plant (Tico/Matiz/Matiz Creative/Spark/Damas/Labo) |- | KL1 || GM Daewoo/GM Korea (Chevrolet car) |- | KL2 || Daewoo/GM Daewoo (Pontiac) |- | KL3 || GM Daewoo/GM Korea (Holden) |- | KL4 || GM Korea (Buick) |- | KL5 || GM Daewoo (Suzuki) |- | KL6 || GM Daewoo (GMC) |- | KL7 || Daewoo (GM Canada brands: Passport, Asuna (Pre-2000)) |- | KL7 || GM Daewoo/GM Korea (Chevrolet MPV/SUV (Post-2000)) |- | KL8 || GM Daewoo/GM Korea (Chevrolet car from Changwon plant (Spark)) |- | KM || [[../Hyundai/VIN Codes|Hyundai]] |- | KMC || Hyundai commercial truck |- | KME || Hyundai commercial truck (semi-tractor) |- | KMF || Hyundai van & commercial truck & Bering Truck |- | KMH || Hyundai car & Mexican market Dodges made by Hyundai |- | KMJ || Hyundai minibus/bus |- | KMT || Genesis Motor car |- | KMU || Genesis Motor SUV |- | KMX || Hyundai Galloper SUV |- | KMY || Daelim Motor Company, Ltd/DNA Motors Co., Ltd. (motorcycles) |- | KM1 || Hyosung Motors (motorcycles) |- | KM4 || Hyosung Motors/S&T Motors/KR Motors (motorcycles) |- | KM8 || Hyundai SUV |- | KNA || Kia car |- | KNC || Kia truck |- | KND || Kia MPV/SUV & Hyundai Entourage |- | KNE || Kia for Europe export |- | KNF || Kia, special vehicles |- | KNG || Kia minibus/bus |- | KNJ || Ford Festiva & Aspire made by Kia |- | KNL || Kia Elan/Vigato made by Kia Motech |- | KNM || Renault Samsung Motors, Nissan Rogue made by Renault Samsung, Nissan Sunny made by Renault Samsung |- | KNM || Renault Korea Co., Ltd. |- | KN1 || Asia Motors |- | KN2 || Asia Motors |- | KPA || SsangYong/KG Mobility (KGM) pickup |- | KPB || SsangYong car |- | KPD || SsangYong TransStar (bus) |- | KPH || Mitsubishi Precis |- | KPT || SsangYong/KG Mobility (KGM) SUV/MPV |- | LAA || Shanghai Jialing Vehicle Co., Ltd. (motorcycle) |- | LAE || Jinan Qingqi Motorcycle |- | LAL || Sundiro [[../Honda/VIN Codes|Honda]] Motorcycle |- | LAN || Changzhou Yamasaki Motorcycle |- | LAP || Chongqing Jianshe Motorcycle Co., Ltd. |- | LAP || Zhuzhou Nanfang Motorcycle Co., Ltd. |- | LAT || Luoyang Northern Ek Chor Motorcycle Co., Ltd. (Dayang) |- | LA6 || Xiamen King Long United Automotive Industry Co., Ltd. (bus) |- | LA7 || Radar Auto (Geely) |- | LA8 || Anhui Ankai |- | LA9/AYS || Jiangsu Alfa Bus Co., Ltd. (bus) |- | LA9/BFC || Beijing North Huade Neoplan Bus Co., Ltd. |- | LA9/FBC || Xiamen Fengtai Bus & Coach International Co., Ltd. (FTBCI) (bus) |- | LA9/HFF || Anhui Huaxia Vehicle Manufacturing Co., Ltd. (bus) |- | LA9/JXK || CHTC Bonluck Bus Co., Ltd. |- | LA9/LC0 || BYD |- | LA9/LFJ || Xinlongma Automobile |- | LA9/LM6 || SRM Shineray |- | LBB || Zhejiang Qianjiang Motorcycle (QJ Motor/Keeway/Benelli) |- | LBE || Beijing [[../Hyundai/VIN Codes|Hyundai]] (Hyundai, Shouwang) |- | LBM || Zongshen Piaggio |- | LBP || Chongqing Jianshe Yamaha Motor Co. Ltd. (motorcycles) |- | LBV || BMW Brilliance (BMW, Zinoro) |- | LBX || Jiangsu Kinroad Xintian Motorcycle Manufacture Co. Ltd. (motorcycles) |- | LBZ || Yantai Shuchi Vehicle Co., Ltd. (bus) |- | LB1 || Fujian Benz |- | LB2 || Geely Motorcycles |- | LB3 || Zhejiang Geely Holding Group (Geely, Galaxy, Geometry, Kandi) |- | LB4 || Chongqing Yinxiang Motorcycle Group Co., Ltd. |- | LB5 || Foshan City Fosti Motorcycle Co., Ltd. |- | LB7 || Tibet New Summit Motorcycle Co., Ltd. |- | LCE || Hangzhou Chunfeng Motorcycles (CFMOTO) |- | LCR || Gonow |- | LC0 || BYD Auto (BYD, Denza) |- | LC2 || Changzhou Kwang Yang Motor Co., Ltd. (Kymco) |- | LC6 || Changzhou Haojue Suzuki Motorcycle Co. Ltd. |- | LDB || Dadi Auto |- | LDC || Dongfeng Peugeot Citroen Automobile Co., Ltd. (DPCA), Dongfeng Fengshen (Aeolus) L60 |- | LDD || Dandong Huanghai Automobile |- | LDF || Dezhou Fulu Vehicle Co., Ltd. (motorcycles), BAW Yuanbao electric car (Ace P1 in Norway) |- | LDK || FAW Bus (Dalian) Co., Ltd. |- | LDN || Soueast (South East (Fujian) Motor Co., Ltd.) including Mitsubishi made by Soueast |- | LDP || Dongfeng, Dongfeng Fengshen (Aeolus), Voyah, Renault City K-ZE/Venucia e30 made by eGT New Energy Automotive |- | LDY || Zhongtong Bus Holding Co. Ltd. |- | LD3 || Guangdong Tayo Motorcycle Technology Co. (Zontes) (motorcycle) |- | LD5 || Benzhou Vehicle Industry Group Ltd. (motorcycle) |- | LD9/L3A || SiTech (FAW) |- | LEC || Tianjin Qingyuan Electric Vehicle Co., Ltd. |- | LEF || Jiangling Motors Corporation Ltd. (JMC) |- | LEH || Zhejiang Riya Motorcycle Co. Ltd. |- | LET || Jiangling-Isuzu Motors, China |- | LEW || Dongfeng commercial vehicle |- | LE4 || Beijing Benz & Beijing Benz-Daimler Chrysler Automotive Co. (Chrysler, Jeep, Mitsubishi, Mercedes-Benz) & Beijing Jeep Corp. |- | LE8 || Guangzhou Panyu Hua'Nan Motors Industry Co. Ltd. (motorcycles) |- | LFB || FAW Group (Bestune, Hongqi) & Mazda made under license by FAW (Mazda 8, CX-7) |- | LFF || Zhejiang Taizhou Wangye Power Co., Ltd. |- | LFG || Taizhou Chuanl Motorcycle Manufacturing |- | LFJ || Fujian Motors Group (Keyton) |- | LFM || FAW Toyota Motor (Toyota, Ranz) |- | LFN || FAW Bus (Wuxi) Co., Ltd. (truck, bus) |- | LFP || FAW Car, Bestune, Hongqi (passenger vehicles) & Mazda made under license by FAW (Mazda 6, CX-4) |- | LFT || FAW (trailers) |- | LFU || Lifeng Group Co., Ltd. (motorcycles) |- | LFV || FAW-Volkswagen (VW, Audi, Jetta, Kaili) |- | LFW || FAW JieFang (truck) |- | LFX || Sany Heavy Industry (truck) |- | LFY || Changshu Light Motorcycle Factory |- | LFZ || Leapmotor |- | LF3 || Lifan Motorcycle |- | LGA || Dongfeng Commercial Vehicle Co., Ltd. trucks |- | LGB || Dongfeng Nissan (Nissan, Infiniti, Venucia) |- | LGB || Dongfeng Commercial Vehicle Co., Ltd. |- | LGC || Dongfeng Commercial Vehicle Co., Ltd. bus chassis |- | LGD || Dongfeng Commercial Vehicle Co., Ltd. |- | LGF || Dongfeng Commercial Vehicle Co., Ltd. bus chassis |- | LGG || Dongfeng Liuzhou Motor (Forthing/Fengxing) |- | LGJ || Dongfeng Fengshen (Aeolus) |- | LGL || Guilin Daewoo |- | LGV || Heshan Guoji Nanlian Motorcycle Industry Co., Ltd. |- | LGW || Great Wall Motor (GWM, Haval, Ora, Tank, Wey) |- | LGX || BYD Auto (BYD, Fangchengbao) |- | LGZ || Guangzhou Denway Bus |- | LG6 || Dayun Group |- | LHA || Shuanghuan Auto |- | LHB || Beijing Automotive Industry Holding |- | LHG || GAC Honda (Honda, Everus, Acura) |- | LHJ || Chongqing Astronautic Bashan Motorcycle Manufacturing Co., Ltd. |- | LHM || Dongfeng Renault Automobile Co. |- | LHW || CRRC Electric Vehicle Co., Ltd. (bus) |- | LH0 || WM Motor Technology Co., Ltd. (Weltmeister) |- | LH1 || FAW-Haima, China |- | LJC || Jincheng Corporation |- | LJD || Yueda Kia (previously Dongfeng Yueda Kia) (Kia, Horki) & Human Horizons - HiPhi (made under contract by Yueda Kia) |- | LJM || Sunlong (bus) |- | LJN || Zhengzhou Nissan |- | LJR || CIMC Vehicles Group (truck trailer) |- | LJS || Yaxing Coach, Asiastar Bus |- | LJU || Shanghai Maple Automobile & Kandi & Zhidou |- | LJU || Lotus Technology (Wuhan Lotus Cars Co., Ltd.) |- | LJV || Sinotruk Chengdu Wangpai Commercial Vehicle Co., Ltd. |- | LJW || JMC Landwind |- | LJX || JMC Ford |- | LJ1 || JAC (JAC, Sehol) |- | LJ1 || Nio, Inc. |- | LJ4 || Shanghai Jmstar Motorcycle Co., Ltd. |- | LJ5 || Cixi Kingring Motorcycle Co., Ltd. (Jinlun) |- | LJ8 || Zotye Auto made by Jiangnan Automobile |- | LKC || BAIC commercial vehicles, previously Changhe |- | LKG || Youngman Lotus Automobile Co., Ltd. |- | LKH || Hafei Motor |- | LKL || Higer Bus |- | LKT || Yunnan Lifan Junma Vehicle Co., Ltd. commercial vehicles |- | LK2 || Anhui JAC Bus |- | LK6 || SAIC-GM-Wuling (Wuling, Baojun) microcars and other vehicles |- | LK8 || Zhejiang Yule New Energy Automobile Technology Co., Ltd. (ATV) |- | LLC || Loncin Motor Co., Ltd. (motorcycle) |- | LLJ || Jiangsu Xinling Motorcycle Fabricate Co., Ltd. |- | LLN || Qoros |- | LLP || Zhejiang Jiajue Motorcycle Manufacturing Co., Ltd. |- | LLU || Dongfeng Fengxing Jingyi |- | LLV || Lifan, Maple (owned by Geely), Livan Automotive |- | LLX || Yudo Auto |- | LL0 || Sanmen County Yongfu Machine Co., Ltd. (motorcycles) |- | LL2 || WM Motor Technology Co., Ltd. (Weltmeister) |- | LL3 || Xiamen Golden Dragon Bus Co. Ltd. |- | LL6 || GAC Mitsubishi Motors Co., Ltd. (formerly Hunan Changfeng) |- | LL8 || Jiangsu Linhai Yamaha Motor Co., Ltd. |- | LMC || Suzuki Hong Kong (motorcycles) |- | LME || Skyworth (formerly Skywell), Elaris Beo |- | LMF || Jiangmen Zhongyu Motor Co., Ltd. |- | LMG || GAC Motor, Trumpchi, [[w:Dodge Attitude#Fourth generation (2025)|Dodge Attitude made by GAC]] |- | LMH || Jiangsu Guowei Motor Co., Ltd. (Motoleader) |- | LMP || Geely Sichuan Commercial Vehicle Co., Ltd. |- | LMV || Haima Car Co., Ltd. |- | LMV || XPeng Motors G3 (not G3i) made by Haima |- | LMW || GAC Group, [[w:Trumpchi GS5#Dodge Journey|Dodge Journey made by GAC]] |- | LMX || Forthing (Dongfeng Fengxing) |- | LM0 || Wangye Holdings Co., Ltd. (motorcycles) |- | LM6 || SWM (automobiles) |- | LM8 || Seres (formerly SF Motors), AITO |- | LNA || GAC Aion New Energy Automobile Co., Ltd., Hycan |- | LNB || BAIC Motor (Senova, Weiwang, Huansu) & Arcfox & Xiaomi SU7 built by BAIC |- | LND || JMEV (Jiangxi Jiangling Group New Energy Vehicle Co., Ltd.), Eveasy/Mobilize Limo |- | LNE || Zhejiang CRRC Electric Vehicle Co., Ltd. (bus) |- | LNP || NAC MG UK Limited & Nanjing Fiat Automobile |- | LNN || Chery Automobile, Omoda, Jaecoo |- | LNV || Naveco (Nanjing Iveco Automobile Co. Ltd.) |- | LNX || Dongfeng Liuzhou Motor (Chenglong trucks) |- | LNY || Yuejin |- | LPA || Changan PSA (DS Automobiles) |- | LPE || BYD Auto |- | LPS || Polestar |- | LP6 || Guangzhou Panyu Haojian Motorcycle Industry Co., Ltd. |- | LRB || SAIC-General Motors (Buick for export) |- | LRD || Beijing Foton Daimler Automotive Co., Ltd. Auman trucks |- | LRE || SAIC-General Motors (Cadillac for export) |- | LRP || Chongqing Rato Power Co. Ltd. (Asus) |- | LRR || Ningbo Longjia Power Technology Co., Ltd. (motorcycles) |- | LRW || Tesla, Inc. (Gigafactory Shanghai) |- | LR4 || Yadi Technology Group |- | LR6 || Guangzhou Dayun Vehicle Co., Ltd. |- | LSC || Changan Automobile (light truck) |- | LSF || SAIC Maxus or LDV pickup/SUV & Chevrolet S10 Max & Shanghai Sunwin Bus Corporation |- | LSG || SAIC-General Motors (For China: Chevrolet, Buick, Cadillac, Sail Springo, For export: Chevrolet) |- | LSH || SAIC Maxus van or LDV van & Chevrolet Express Max |- | LSJ || SAIC MG & SAIC Roewe & IM Motors & Rising Auto |- | LSK || SAIC Maxus or LDV van |- | LSV || SAIC-Volkswagen (VW, Skoda, Audi, Tantus) |- | LSY || Brilliance (Jinbei, Zhonghua) & Jinbei GM |- | LS3 || Hejia New Energy Vehicle Co., Ltd |- | LS4 || Changan Automobile (MPV/SUV) |- | LS5 || Changan Automobile (car) & Changan Suzuki |- | LS6 || Changan Automobile & Deepal Automobile & Avatr |- | LS7 || JMC Heavy Duty Truck Co., Ltd. |- | LS8 ||Henan Shaolin Auto Co., Ltd. (bus) |- | LTA || ZX Auto |- | LTN || Soueast-built Chrysler & Dodge vehicles |- | LTP || National Electric Vehicle Sweden AB (NEVS) |- | LTV || FAW [[../Toyota/VIN Codes|Toyota]] (Tianjin) |- | LTW || Zhejiang Dianka Automobile Technology Co. Ltd. (Enovate) |- | LT1 || Yangzhou Tonghua Semi-Trailer Co., Ltd. (truck trailer) |- | LUC || [[../Honda/VIN Codes|Honda]] Automobile (China) |- | LUD || Dongfeng Nissan Diesel Motor Co Ltd. |- | LUG || Qiantu Motor |- | LUJ || Zhejiang Shanqi Tianying Vehicle Industry Co., Ltd. (motorcycles) |- | LUR || Chery Automobile, iCar |- | LUX || Dongfeng Yulon Motor Co. Ltd. |- | LUZ || Hozon Auto New Energy Automobile Co., Ltd. (Neta) |- | LVA || Foton Motor |- | LVB || Foton Motor truck |- | LVC || Foton Motor bus |- | LVF || Changhe Suzuki |- | LVG || GAC Toyota (Toyota, Leahead) |- | LVH || Dongfeng Honda (Honda, Ciimo) |- | LVM || Chery Commercial Vehicle |- | LVP || Dongfeng Sokon Motor Company (DFSK) |- | LVR || Changan Mazda |- | LVS || Changan [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Ford]] (Ford, Lincoln) & Changan Ford Mazda & Volvo S40 and S80L made by Changan Ford Mazda |- | LVT || Chery Automobile, Exeed, Jetour, Soueast |- | LVU || Chery Automobile, Jetour |- | LVV || Chery Automobile, Omoda, Jaecoo |- | LVX || Landwind, JMC (discontinued in 2021) |- | LVX || Aiways Automobiles Company Ltd |- | LVY || Volvo Cars Daqing factory |- | LVZ || Dongfeng Sokon Motor Company (DFSK) |- | LV3 || Hengchi Automobile (Evergrande Group) |- | LV7 || Jinan Qingqi Motorcycle |- | LWB || Wuyang Honda Motorcycle (Guangzhou) Co., Ltd. |- | LWE || Yangtse Motor Group (bus) |- | LWG || Chongqing Huansong Industries (Group) Co., Ltd. |- | LWL || Qingling Isuzu |- | LWM || Chongqing Wonjan Motorcycle Co., Ltd. |- | LWV || GAC Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (Fiat, Jeep) |- | LWX || Shanghai Wanxiang Automobile Manufacturing Co., Ltd. (bus) |- | LW4 || Li Auto |- | LXA || Jiangmen Qipai Motorcycle Co., Ltd. |- | LXD || Ningbo Dongfang Lingyun Vehicle Made Co., Ltd. (motorcycle) |- | LXG || Xuzhou Construction Machinery Group Co., Ltd. (XCMG) |- | LXK || Shanghai Meitian Motorcycle Co., Ltd. |- | LXM || Xiamen Xiashing Motorcycle Co., Ltd. (SYM) |- | LXN || Link Tour |- | LXV || Beijing Borgward Automotive Co., Ltd. |- | LXW || JMC - Ford |- | LXY || Chongqing Shineray Motorcycle Co., Ltd. |- | LX6 || Jiangmen City Huari Group Co. Ltd. (motorcycle) |- | LX8 || Chongqing Xgjao (Xinganjue) Motorcycle Co Ltd. |- | LYB || Weichai (Yangzhou) Yaxing Automobile Co., Ltd. |- | LYD || Taizhou City Kaitong Motorcycle Co., Ltd. (motorcycle) |- | LYJ || Beijing ZhongdaYanjing Auto Co., Ltd. (bus) |- | LYM || Zhuzhou Jianshe Yamaha Motorcycle Co., Ltd. |- | LYS || Nanjing Vmoto Manufacturing Co. Ltd. (motorcycle) |- | LYU || Huansu (BAIC Motor & Yinxiang Group) |- | LYV || Volvo Cars Chengdu factory & Taizhou, Luqiao District factory |- | LY4 || Chongqing Yingang Science & Technology Group Co., Ltd. (motorcycle) |- | LZE || Isuzu Guangzhou, China |- | LZF || SAIC Iveco Hongyan (-2021), SAIC Hongyan (2021-) |- | LZG || Shaanxi Automobile Group (Shacman) |- | LZK || Sinotruk (CNHTC) Huanghe bus |- | LZL || Zengcheng Haili Motorcycle Ltd. |- | LZM || MAN China |- | LZP || Zhongshan Guochi Motorcycle (Baotian) |- | LZS || Zongshen, Electra Meccanica Vehicles Corp. (Solo) made by Zongshen |- | LZU || Guangzhou Isuzu Bus |- | LZW || SAIC-GM-Wuling (Wuling, Baojun, Chevrolet [for export]) |- | LZY || Yutong Bus Co., Ltd. |- | LZZ || Sinotruk (CNHTC) (Howo, Sitrak) |- | LZ0 || Shandong Wuzheng Group Co., Ltd. |- | LZ4 || Jiangsu Linzhi Shangyang Group Co Ltd. |- | LZ9/LZX || Raysince |- | L0N || Ezytrail (camper trailers) |- | L1K || Chongqing Hengtong Bus Co., Ltd. |- | L1N || XPeng Motors |- | L10 || Geely Emgrand |- | L2B || Jiangsu Baodiao Locomotive Co., Ltd. (motorcycles) |- | L2C || Chery Jaguar Land Rover |- | L3H || Shanxi Victory Automobile Manufacturing Co., Ltd. |- | L37 || Huzhou Daixi Zhenhua Technology Trade Co., Ltd. (motorcycles) |- | L4B || Xingyue Group (motorcycles) |- | L4F || Suzhou Eagle Electric Vehicle Manufacturing Co., Ltd. |- | L4H || Ningbo Longjia Motorcycle Co., Ltd. |- | L4S || Zhejiang Xingyue Vehicle Co Ltd. (motorcycles) |- | L4Y || Qingqi Group Ningbo Rhon Motorcycle / Ningbo Dalong Smooth Locomotive Industry Co., Ltd. |- | L5C || Zhejiang Kangdi Vehicles Co., Ltd. (motorcycles, ATVs) |- | L5E || Zoomlion Heavy Industry Science & Technology Co., Ltd. |- | L5K || Zhejiang Yongkang Easy Vehicle |- | L5N || Zhejiang Taotao (ATV & motorcycles) |- | L5Y || Taizhou Zhongneng Motorcycle Co. Ltd. (Znen) |- | L6F || Shandong Liangzi Power Co. Ltd. |- | L6J || Zhejiang Kayo Motor Co. Ltd. (ATV) |- | L6K || Shanghai Howhit Machinery Manufacture Co. Ltd. |- | L6T || Geely, Lynk & Co, Zeekr |- | L66 || Zhuhai Granton Bus and Coach Co. Ltd. |- | L82 || Baotian |- | L85 || Zhejiang Yongkang Huabao Electric Appliance |- | L8A || Jinhua Youngman Automobile Manufacturing Co., Ltd. |- | L8X || Zhejiang Summit Huawin Motorcycle |- | L8Y || Zhejiang Jonway Motorcycle Manufacturing Co., Ltd. |- | L9G || Zhuhai Guangtong Automobile Co., Ltd. (bus) |- | L9N || Zhejiang Taotao Vehicles Co., Ltd. |- | MAA || India Kawasaki Motors Pvt. Ltd. |- | MAB || Mahindra & Mahindra |- | MAC || Mahindra & Mahindra |- | MAH || Fiat India Automobiles Pvt. Ltd |- | MAJ || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Ford]] India |- | MAK || [[../Honda/VIN Codes|Honda]] Cars India |- | MAL || Hyundai Motor India |- | MAN || Eicher Polaris Multix |- | MAT || Tata Motors, Rover CityRover |- | MA1 || Mahindra & Mahindra |- | MA3 || Maruti Suzuki India (domestic & export) |- | MA6 || GM India |- | MA7 || Hindustan Motors Ltd. & Mitsubishi Motors & Isuzu models made by Hindustan Motors |- | MA8 || Daewoo Motor India |- | MBF || Royal Enfield |- | MBH || Suzuki (for export) & Nissan Pixo made by Maruti Suzuki India Limited |- | MBJ || [[../Toyota/VIN Codes|Toyota]] Kirloskar Motor Pvt. Ltd. |- | MBK || MAN Trucks India Pvt. Ltd. |- | MBL || Hero MotoCorp |- | MBR || Mercedes-Benz India |- | MBU || Swaraj Vehicles Limited |- | MBV || Premier Automobiles Ltd. |- | MBX || Piaggio India (Piaggio Ape) |- | MBY || Asia Motor Works Ltd. |- | MB1 || Ashok Leyland |- | MB2 || Hyundai Motor India (SUV) |- | MB7 || Reva Electric Car Company/Mahindra Reva Electric Vehicles Pvt. Ltd. |- | MB8 || Suzuki Motorcycle India Limited |- | MCA || FCA India Automobiles Pvt. Ltd. (Fiat, Jeep) |- | MCB || GM India |- | MCD || Mahindra Two Wheelers |- | MCG || Atul Auto Ltd. |- | MCL || International Cars And Motors Ltd. |- | MC1 || Force Motors Ltd. |- | MC2 || Eicher Motors Ltd./Volvo Eicher Commercial Vehicles Ltd. |- | MC4 || Dilip Chhabria Design Pvt Ltd. |- | MC9/RE1 || Reva Electric Car Company (Reva G-Wiz) |- | MDE || Kinetic Engineering Limited |- | MDH || Nissan Motor India Pvt Ltd. (including Datsun) |- | MDT || Kerala Automobiles Limited |- | MD2 || Bajaj Auto Ltd. & KTM and Husqvarna motorcycles built by Bajaj & Indian-market Triumph motorcycles built by Bajaj |- | MD6 || TVS Motor Company |- | MD7 || LML Ltd including Genuine Scooter Company Stella |- | MD9 || Shuttle Cars India |- | MEC || Daimler India Commercial Vehicles (BharatBenz) |- | MEE || Renault India Private Limited |- | MEG || Harley-Davidson India |- | MER || Benelli India |- | MES || Mahindra Navistar |- | MET || Piaggio India (Vespa, Indian-market Aprilia) |- | MEX || Škoda Auto Volkswagen India Pvt. Ltd. 2015 on |- | ME1 || India Yamaha Motor Pvt. Ltd. |- | ME3 || Royal Enfield |- | ME4 || Honda Motorcycle and Scooter India |- | MYH || Ather Energy |- | MZB || Kia India Pvt. Ltd. |- | MZD || Classic Legends Private Limited – Jawa |- | MZZ || Citroen India (PCA Automobiles India Private Limited) |- | MZ7 || MG Motor India Pvt. Ltd. |- | M3G || Isuzu Motors India |- | M6F || UM Lohia Two Wheelers Private Limited |- | ME9/ || BUYMYEV TECHNOLOGY PVT. LTD. (Indibike) |- | MF3 || PT Hyundai Motor Manufacturing Indonesia |- | MHB || PT Nissan Motor Indonesia |- | MHD || PT Indomobil Suzuki International |- | MHF || PT [[../Toyota/VIN Codes|Toyota]] Motor Manufacturing Indonesia |- | MHK || PT Astra Daihatsu Motor (includes Toyotas made by Astra Daihatsu) |- | MHL || PT Mercedes-Benz Indonesia |- | MHR || [[../Honda/VIN Codes|Honda]] Indonesia (PT Honda Prospect Motor) (car) |- | MHY || PT Suzuki Indomobil Motor (car, MPV, van) |- | MH1 || PT Astra Honda Motor (motorcycle) |- | MH3 || PT Yamaha Indonesia Motor Mfg. |- | MH4 || PT Kawasaki Motor Indonesia |- | MH8 || PT Suzuki Indomobil Motor (motorcycle) |- | MJB || GM Indonesia |- | MKF || PT Sokonindo Automobile (DFSK) |- | MK2 || PT Mitsubishi Motors Krama Yudha Indonesia |- | MK3 || PT SGMW Motor Indonesia (Wuling) |- | MLB || Siam Yamaha Co Ltd. |- | MLC || Thai Suzuki Motor Co., Ltd. (motorcycle) |- | MLE || Thai Yamaha Motor Co., Ltd. |- | MLH || Thai [[../Honda/VIN Codes|Honda]] Manufacturing Co., Ltd. (motorcycle) |- | MLW || Sco Motor Co., Ltd. (motorcycle) |- | MLY || Harley-Davidson Thailand |- | ML0 || Ducati Motor (Thailand) Co., Ltd. |- | ML3 || Mitsubishi Motors, Dodge Colt 100 [Canada], [[w:Dodge Attitude#Third generation (A10; 2015)|Dodge Attitude]] [Mexico] made by Mitsubishi (Thailand) |- | ML5 || Kawasaki Motors Enterprise Co. Ltd. (Thailand) |- | MMA || Mitsubishi Motors (Thailand) |- | MMB || Mitsubishi Motors (Thailand) |- | MMC || Mitsubishi Motors (Thailand) |- | MMD || Mitsubishi Motors (Thailand) |- | MME || Mitsubishi Motors (Thailand) |- | MMF || BMW Manufacturing (Thailand) Co., Ltd. |- | MML || MG Thailand (SAIC-CP) |- | MMM || Chevrolet Thailand, Holden Colorado RC pickup |- | MMR || Subaru/Tan Chong Subaru Automotive (Thailand) Co. Ltd. |- | MMS || Suzuki Motor (Thailand) Co., Ltd. (passenger car) |- | MMT || Mitsubishi Motors (Thailand) |- | MMU || Holden Thailand (Colorado RG, Colorado 7, & Trailblazer) |- | MM0, MM6, MM7, MM8 || Mazda Thailand (Ford-Mazda AutoAlliance Thailand plant) |- | MNA || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Ford]] Thailand (Ford-Mazda AutoAlliance Thailand plant) for Australia/New Zealand export |- | MNB || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Ford]] Thailand (Ford-Mazda AutoAlliance Thailand plant) for other right-hand drive markets |- | MNC || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Ford]] Thailand (Ford-Mazda AutoAlliance Thailand plant) for left-hand drive markets |- | MNK || Hino Motors Manufacturing Thailand Co Ltd. |- | MNT || Nissan Motor (Thailand) Co., Ltd. |- | MNU || Great Wall Motor Manufacturing (Thailand) Co., Ltd. |- | MN3 || Eagle Vista [Canada] made by Mitsubishi (Thailand) |- | MPA || Isuzu Motors (Thailand) Co., Ltd. & Holden Rodeo RA pickup made by Isuzu in Thailand |- | MPB || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Ford]] Thailand (Ford Thailand Manufacturing plant) |- | MP1 || Isuzu Motors (Thailand) Co., Ltd. |- | MP2 || Mazda BT-50 pickup built by Isuzu Motors (Thailand) Co., Ltd. |- | MP3 || Plymouth Colt 100 [Canada] made by Mitsubishi (Thailand) |- | MP5 || Foton Motor Thailand |- | MRH || [[../Honda/VIN Codes|Honda]] Thailand (car) |- | MRT || Neta (Hozon Auto) made by Bangchan General Assembly Co., Ltd. |- | MR0 || [[../Toyota/VIN Codes|Toyota]] Thailand (pickups & Fortuner SUV) |- | MR1 || [[../Toyota/VIN Codes|Toyota]] Thailand |- | MR2 || [[../Toyota/VIN Codes|Toyota]] Thailand (Gateway plant) (passenger cars & CUVs) |- | MR3 || [[../Toyota/VIN Codes|Toyota]] Thailand (Hilux Champ chassis cab) |- | MS0 || [[../SUPER SEVEN STARS MOTORS INDUSTRY CO.,LTD/VIN Codes|Super Seven Stars Motors]] Myanmar |- | MS1 || [[../SUPER SEVEN STARS AUTOMOTIVE CO.,LTD/VIN Codes|Super Seven Stars Automotive]] Myanmar |- | MS3 || Suzuki Myanmar Motor Co., Ltd. |- | MXB || Saryarka AvtoProm bus (Kazakhstan) |- | MXL || Yutong bus made by Qaz Tehna (Kazakhstan) |- | MXV || IMZ-Ural Ural Motorcycles (Kazakhstan) |- | MX3 || Hyundai Trans Auto (Kazakhstan) |- | NAA || Iran Khodro (Peugeot Iran) |- | NAC || Mammut (truck trailers) |- | NAD || Škoda |- | NAL || Maral Sanat Jarvid (truck trailers) |- | NAP || Pars Khodro |- | NAS || SAIPA |- | NC0 || Oghab Afshan (bus) |- | NC9/ || VIRA Diesel |- | ND9/345 || Oghab Afshan (bus) |- | NFB || Honda Atlas Cars Pakistan Ltd. |- | NG3 || Lucky Motor Corporation |- | NLA || Honda Turkiye A.S. cars |- | NLC || Askam Kamyon Imalat Ve Ticaret A.S. |- | NLE || Mercedes-Benz Türk A.S. Truck |- | NLF || Koluman Otomotiv Endustri A.S. (truck trailer) |- | NLH || [[../Hyundai/VIN Codes|Hyundai]] Assan Otomotiv car/SUV |- | NLJ || [[../Hyundai/VIN Codes|Hyundai]] Assan Otomotiv van |- | NLN || Karsan |- | NLR || Otokar |- | NLT || Temsa |- | NLZ || Tezeller |- | NL1 || TOGG |- | NL2 || HABAS/HBS (bus) |- | NMA || MAN Türkiye A.Ş. |- | NMB || Mercedes-Benz Türk A.S. Buses |- | NMC || BMC Otomotiv Sanayi ve Ticaret A.Ş. |- | NMH || Honda Anadolu motorcycle |- | NMS || Otoyol San. A.Ş. |- | NMT || [[../Toyota/VIN Codes|Toyota]] Motor Manufacturing Turkey |- | NM0 || Ford Otosan |- | NM1 || Oyak Renault Otomobil Fabrikaları A.Ş. |- | NM4 || Tofaş (Turk Otomobil Fabrikasi AS) |- | NNA || Anadolu Isuzu |- | NNN || Gépébus Oréos 4X (based on Otokar Vectio) |- | NNY || Yeksan (truck trailer) |- | NPM || Seyit Usta Treyler (truck trailer) |- | NPR || Oztreyler (truck trailer) |- | NPS || Nursan (truck trailer) |- | NP8|| ÖZGÜL TREYLER (truck trailer) |- | NP9/002 || OKT Trailer (truck trailer) |- | NP9/003 || Aksoylu Trailer (truck trailer) |- | NP9/011 || Güleryüz (bus) |- | NP9/021 || Dogumak (truck trailer) |- | NP9/022 || Alim (truck trailer) |- | NP9/042 || Ali Rıza Usta (truck trailer) |- | NP9/066 || Makinsan (truck trailer) |- | NP9/093 || BRF Trailer (truck trailer) |- | NP9/103 || Türkkar (bus) |- | NP9/106 || Çarsan Treyler (truck trailer) |- | NP9/107 || Arbus Perfect (bus) |- | NP9/108 || Guven Makina (truck trailer) |- | NP9/117 || Katmerciler (truck trailer) |- | NP9/300 || TCV (bus) |- | NP9/258 || Ceytrayler (truck trailer) |- | NP9/306 || Cryocan (truck trailer) |- | NRE || Bozankaya |- | NRX || Musoshi |- | NRY || Pilotcar Otomotiv |- | NR9/012 || Doğan Yıldız (truck trailer) |- | NR9/028 || Micansan (truck trailer) |- | NR9/029 || Yilteks (truck trailer) |- | NR9/034 || Akia (bus) |- | NR9/084 || Harsan (truck trailer) |- | NR9/257 || Vega Trailer (truck trailer) |- | NSA || SamAvto / SAZ (Uzbekistan) |- | NS2 || JV MAN Auto - Uzbekistan |- | NVA || Khazar (IKCO Dena made in Azerbaijan) |- | PAB || Isuzu Philippines Corporation |- | PAD || Honda Cars Philippines |- | PE1 || Ford Motor Company Philippines |- | PE3 || Mazda Philippines made by Ford Motor Company Philippines |- | PFD || Hyundai Motor Group Innovation Center in Singapore (HMGICS) |- | PL1 || Proton, Malaysia |- | PL8 || Inokom-Hyundai |- | PLP || Subaru/Tan Chong Motor Assemblies, Malaysia |- | PLZ || Isuzu Malaysia |- | PMA || MAN Truck & Bus Malaysia |- | PMH || Honda Malaysia (car) |- | PMK || Honda Boon Siew (motorcycle) |- | PML || Hicom |- | PMN || Modenas |- | PMS || Suzuki Assemblers Malaysia (motorcycle) |- | PMV || Hong Leong Yamaha Motor Sdn. Bhd. |- | PMY || Hong Leong Yamaha Motor Sdn. Bhd. |- | PM1 || BMW & Mini/Inokom |- | PM2 || Perodua |- | PM9/ || Bufori |- | PNA || Naza/Kia/Peugeot |- | PNA || Stellantis Gurun (Malaysia) Sdn. Bhd. (Peugeot) |- | PNS || SKSBUS Malaysia (bus) |- | PNS || TMSBUS Malaysia (bus) |- | PNV || Volvo Car Manufacturing Malaysia |- | PN1 || UMW Toyota Motor |- | PN2 || UMW Toyota Motor |- | PN8 || Nissan/Tan Chong Motor Assemblies, Malaysia |- | PPP || Suzuki |- | PPV || Volkswagen/HICOM Automotive Manufacturers (Malaysia) |- | PP1 || Mazda/Inokom |- | PP3 || Hyundai/Inokom |- | PRA || Sinotruk |- | PRH || Chery (by Chery Alado Holdings [joint venture] at Oriental Assemblers plant) |- | PRX || Kia/Inokom |- | PR8 || Ford |- | PRN || GAC Trumpchi made by Warisan Tan Chong Automotif Malaysia |- | PV3 || Ford made by RMA Automotive Cambodia |- | RA1 || Steyr Trucks International FZE, UAE |- | RA9/015 || Al-Assri Industries (Trailers), UAE |- | LFA || Ford Lio Ho Motor Co Ltd. old designation (Taiwan) |- | LM1 || Tai Ling Motor Co Ltd. old designation (Suzuki motorcycle made by Tai Ling) (Taiwan) |- | LM4 || Tai Ling Motor Co Ltd. old designation (Suzuki ATV made by Tai Ling) (Taiwan) |- | LN1 || Tai Ling Motor Co Ltd. old designation (Suzuki motorcycle made by Tai Ling) (Taiwan) |- | LPR || Yamaha Motor Taiwan Co. Ltd. old designation (Taiwan) |- | RFB || Kwang Yang Motor Co., Ltd. (Kymco), Taiwan |- | RFC || Taiwan Golden Bee |- | RFD || Tai Ling Motor Co Ltd. new designation (Taiwan) |- | RFG || Sanyang Motor Co., Ltd. (SYM) Taiwan |- | RFL || Her Chee Industrial Co., Ltd. (Adly), Taiwan |- | RFT || CPI Motor Company, Taiwan |- | RFV || Motive Power Industry Co., Ltd. (PGO Scooters including Genuine Scooter Company models made by PGO) (Taiwan) |- | RF3 || Aeon Motor Co., Ltd., Taiwan |- | RF5 || Yulon Motor Co. Ltd., Taiwan (Luxgen) |- | RF8 || EVT Technology Co., Ltd (motorcycle) |- | RGS || Kawasaki made by Kymco (Taiwan) |- | RHA || Ford Lio Ho Motor Co Ltd. new designation (Taiwan) |- | RKJ || Prince Motors Taiwan |- | RKL || Kuozui Motors (Toyota) (Taiwan) |- | RKM || China Motor Corporation (Taiwan) |- | RKR || Yamaha Motor Taiwan Co. Ltd. new designation |- | RKT || Access Motor Co., Ltd. (Taiwan) |- | RK3 || E-Ton Power Tech Co., Ltd. (motorcycle) (Taiwan) |- | RK3 || Honda Taiwan |- | RK7 || Kawasaki ATV made by Tai Ling Motor Co Ltd (rebadged Suzuki ATV) new designation (Taiwan) |- | RLA || Vina Star Motors Corp. – Mitsubishi (Vietnam) |- | RLC || Yamaha Motor Vietnam Co. Ltd. |- | RLE || Isuzu Vietnam Co. |- | RLH || Honda Vietnam Co. Ltd. |- | RLL || VinFast SUV |- | RLM || Mercedes-Benz Vietnam |- | RLN || VinFast |- | RLV || Vietnam Precision Industrial CO., Ltd. (Can-Am DS 70 & DS 90) |- | RL0 || Ford Vietnam |- | RL4 || Toyota Motor Vietnam |- | RP8 || Piaggio Vietnam Co. Ltd. |- | RUN || Sollets-Auto ST6 (Russia) |- | R1J || Jiayuan Power (Hong Kong) Ltd. (Electric Low-Speed Vehicles) (Hong Kong) |- | R1N || Niu Technologies Group Ltd. (Hong Kong) |- | R10 || ZAP (HK) Co. Ltd. |- | R19/003 || GMI (bus) (Hong Kong) |- | R2P || Evoke Electric Motorcycles (Hong Kong) |- | R3M || Mangosteen Technology Co., Ltd. (Hong Kong) |- | R36 || HK Shansu Technology Co., Ltd. (Hong Kong) |- | R4N || Elyx Smart Technology Holdings (Hong Kong) Ltd. |- | R82 || Hangzhou Lantu Technology Co., Ltd. (Hong Kong) |- | SAA || Austin |- | SAB || Optare (1985-2020), Switch Mobility (2021-) |- | SAD || Daimler Company Limited (until April 1987) |- | SAD || Jaguar SUV (E-Pace, F-Pace, I-Pace) |- | SAF || ERF trucks |- | SAH || Honda made by Austin Rover Group |- | SAJ || Jaguar passenger car & Daimler passenger car (after April 1987) |- | SAL || [[../Land Rover/VIN Codes|Land Rover]] |- | SAM || Morris |- | SAR || Rover & MG Rover Group |- | SAT || Triumph car |- | SAX || Austin-Rover Group including Sterling Cars |- | SAY || Norton Motorcycles |- | SAZ || Freight Rover |- | SA3 || Ginetta Cars |- | SA9/ || OX Global |- | SA9/A11 || Morgan Roadster (V6) (USA) |- | SA9/J00 || Morgan Aero 8 (USA) |- | SA9/004 || Morgan (4-wheel passenger cars) |- | SA9/005 || Panther |- | SA9/010 || Invicta S1 |- | SA9/011 || Midas Cars |- | SA9/019 || TVR |- | SA9/022 || Triking Sports Cars |- | SA9/026 || Fleur de Lys |- | SA9/036 || Ginetta Cars |- | SA9/038 || DAX Cars |- | SA9/039 || Westfield Sportscars |- | SA9/048 || McLaren F1 |- | SA9/050 || Marcos Engineering |- | SA9/062 || AC Cars (Brooklands Ace) |- | SA9/068 || Johnston Sweepers |- | SA9/073 || Tomita Auto UK (Tommykaira ZZ) |- | SA9/074 || Ascari |- | SA9/088 || Spectre Angel |- | SA9/105 || Mosler Europe Ltd. |- | SA9/113 || Noble |- | SA9/130 || MG Sport and Racing |- | SA9/141 || Wrightbus |- | SA9/202 || Morgan 3-Wheeler, Super 3 |- | SA9/207 || Radical Sportscars |- | SA9/211 || BAC (Briggs Automotive Company Ltd.) |- | SA9/225 || Paneltex (truck trailer) |- | SA9/231 || Peel Engineering |- | SA9/337 || Ariel |- | SA9/341 || Zenos |- | SA9/438 || Charge Cars |- | SA9/458 || Gordon Murray Automotive |- | SA9/474 || Mellor (bus) |- | SA9/612 || Tiger Racing (kit car) |- | SA9/621 || AC Cars (Ace) |- | SBB || Leyland Vehicles |- | SBC || Iveco Ford Truck |- | SBF || Nugent (trailer) |- | SBJ || Leyland Bus |- | SBL || Leyland Motors & Leyland DAF |- | SBM || McLaren |- | SBS || Scammell |- | SBU || United Trailers (truck trailer) |- | SBV || Kenworth & Peterbilt [incomplete vehicle] made by Leyland Trucks |- | SBW || Weightlifter Bodies (truck trailer) |- | SB1 || [[../Toyota/VIN Codes|Toyota]] Motor Manufacturing UK |- | SCA || Rolls Royce passenger car |- | SCB || Bentley passenger car |- | SCC || Lotus Cars & Opel Lotus Omega/Vauxhall Lotus Carlton |- | SCD || Reliant Motors |- | SCE || DeLorean Motor Cars N. Ireland (UK) |- | SCF || Aston Martin Lagonda Ltd. passenger car & '21 DBX SUV |- | SCG || Triumph Engineering Co. Ltd. (original Triumph Motorcycle company) |- | SCK || Ifor Williams Trailers |- | SCM || Manitowoc Cranes - Grove |- | SCR || London Electric Vehicle Company & London Taxi Company & London Taxis International |- | SCV || Volvo Truck & Bus Scotland |- | SC5 || Wrightbus (from ~2020) |- | SC6 || INEOS Automotive SUV |- | SDB || Talbot |- | SDC || SDC Trailers Ltd. (truck trailer) |- | SDF || Dodge Trucks – UK 1981–1984 |- | SDG || Renault Trucks Industries 1985–1992 |- | SDK || Caterham Cars |- | SDL || TVR |- | SDP || NAC MG UK & MG Motor UK Ltd. |- | SDU || Utility (truck trailer) |- | SD7 || Aston Martin SUV |- | SD8 || Moke International Ltd. |- | SED || IBC Vehicles (General Motors Luton Plant) (Opel/Vauxhall, 1st gen. Holden Frontera, Isuzu Midi) |- | SEG || Dennis Eagle Ltd., including Renault Trucks Access and D Access |- | SEP || Don-Bur (truck trailer) |- | SEY || LDV Group Ltd. |- | SFA || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Ford]] UK |- | SFD || Dennis UK / Alexander Dennis |- | SFE || Alexander Dennis UK |- | SFR || Fruehauf (truck trailer) |- | SFN || Foden Trucks & Kenworth [truck] made by Foden Trucks |- | SFZ || Tesla Roadster made by Lotus |- | SGA || Avondale (caravans) |- | SGB || Bailey (caravans) |- | SGD || Swift Group Ltd. (caravans) |- | SGE || Elddis (caravans) |- | SGL || Lunar Caravans Ltd. |- | SG4 || Coachman Caravan Co. Ltd. |- |SG7 |ABI Caravans Ltd. |- | SHH || [[../Honda/VIN Codes|Honda]] UK passenger car |- | SHS || [[../Honda/VIN Codes|Honda]] UK SUV |- | SH7 || INEOS Automotive truck |- | SJA || Bentley SUV |- | SJB || Brian James Trailers Ltd |- | SJK || Nissan Motor Manufacturing UK - Infiniti |- | SJN || Nissan Motor Manufacturing UK - Nissan |- | SJ1 || Ree Automotive |- | SKA || Vauxhall |- | SKB || Kel-Berg Trailers & Trucks |- | SKF || Bedford Vehicles |- | SKL || Anaig (UK) Technology Ltd |- | SKM || King Military Engineering Ltd. |- | SLA || Rolls Royce SUV |- | SLC || Thwaites Dumpers |- | SLG || McMurtry Automotive |- | SLN || Niftylift |- | SLP || JC Bamford Excavators Ltd. |- | SLV || Volvo bus |- | SMR || Montracon (truck trailer) |- | SMT || Triumph Motorcycles Ltd. (current Triumph Motorcycle company) |- | SMW || Cartwright (truck trailer) |- | SMX || Gray & Adams (truck trailer) |- | SNE || Barkas (East Germany) |- | SNE || Wartburg (East Germany) |- | SNT || Trabant (East Germany) |- | SNZ || MZ (motorcycle) (Germany) |- | SPE || B-ON GmbH (Germany) |- | ST3 || Calabrese (truck trailer) |- | SUA || Autosan (bus) |- | SUB || Tramp Trail (trailer) |- | SUC || Wiola (trailer) |- | SUD || Wielton (truck trailers) |- | SUF || FSM/Fiat Auto Poland (Polski Fiat) |- | SUG || Mega Trailers (truck trailer) (Poland) |- | SUJ || Jelcz (Poland) |- | SUL || FSC (Poland) |- | SUM || Novatrail (truck trailers) |- | SUP || FSO/Daewoo-FSO (Poland) |- | SUU || Solaris Bus & Coach (Poland) |- | SU9/AR1 || Emtech (truck trailer) |- | SU9/BU1 || BODEX (truck trailer) |- | SU9/DE2 || Demarco (truck trailer) |- | SU9/EB1 || Elbo (truck trailer) |- | SU9/EZ1 || Enerco (truck trailer) |- | SU9/NC5 || Zasta (truck trailer) |- | SU9/NJ1 || Janmil (truck trailer) |- | SU9/PL1 || Plandex (truck trailer) |- | SU9/PN1 || Solaris Bus & Coach (Poland) - until 2004 |- | SU9/RE1 || Redos (truck trailer) |- | SU9/RE2 || Gromex (trailer) |- | SU9/TR1 || Plavec (truck trailer) |- | SU9/YV1 || Pilea bus/ARP E-Vehicles (Poland) |- | SU9/ZC1 || Wolf (truck trailer) |- | SVH || ZASŁAW (truck trailer) |- | SVM || Inter Cars (truck trailer) |- | SVS || BODEX (truck trailer) |- | SV9/BC2 || BC-LDS (truck trailer) |- | SV9/DR1 || Dromech (truck trailer) |- | SV9/RN1 || Prod-Rent (truck trailer) |- | SWH || Temared (trailers) |- | SWR || Weekend Trailers (trailers) |- | SWV || TA-NO (Poland) |- | SWZ || Zremb (trailers) |- | SW9/BA1 || Solbus |- | SW9/WG3 || Grew / Opalenica (trailer) |- | SXE || Neptun Trailers |- | SXK || Konar (truck trailer) |- | SXM || MELEX Sp. z o.o. |- | SXY || Wecon (truck trailer) |- | SXX || Martz (trailer) |- | SX7 || Arthur Bus |- | SX9/GR0 || GRAS (truck trailer) |- | SX9/KT1 || AMZ - Kutno (bus) |- | SX9/PN1 || Polkon (truck trailer) |- | SX9/SP1 || SOMMER Polska (truck trailer) |- | SYB || Rydwan (trailer) |- | SYG || Gniotpol, GT Trailers Sp. z o. o. (truck trailer) |- | SY1 || Neso Bus (PAK-PCE Polski Autobus Wodorowy) |- | SY9/FR1 || Feber (truck trailer) |- | SY9/PF1 || KEMPF (truck trailer) |- | SZA || Scania Poland |- | SZC || Vectrix (motorcycle) |- | SZL || Boro Trailers |- | SZN || Przyczepy Głowacz (trailer) |- | SZR || Niewiadów (trailer) |- | SZ9/AE6 || Gewe (trailer) |- | SZ9/BG1 || GALA Syriusz (trailer) |- | SZ9/PW1 || PRO-WAM (truck trailer) |- | SZ9/TU1 || Ovibos (truck trailer) |- | S19/AM0 || AMO Plant (bus) (Latvia) |- | S19/EF1 || Electrify (minibus) (Latvia) |- | S19/MT0 || Mono-Transserviss (truck trailer) (Latvia) |- | TAW || NAW Nutzfahrzeuggesellschaft Arbon & Wetzikon AG (Switzerland) |- | TBS || Boschung AG (Switzerland) |- | TCC || Micro Compact Car AG (smart 1998-1999) (Switzerland) |- | TDM || QUANTYA Swiss Electric Movement (Switzerland) |- | TEB || Bucher Municipal AG (includes Johnston Sweepers) (Switzerland) |- | TEM || Twike (SwissLEM AG) (Switzerland) |- | TFH || FHS Frech-Hoch AG (truck trailer) (Switzerland) |- | TH9/512 || Hess AG (bus, trolleybus) (Switzerland) |- | TJ5 || Vezeko (trailer) (Czech Republic) |- | TKP || Panav a.s. (truck trailer) (Czech Republic) |- | TKX || Agados s.r.o. (trailer) (Czech Republic) |- | TKY || Metaco (truck trailer) (Czech Republic) |- | TK9/AH3 || Atmos Chrást s.r.o. (Czech Republic) |- | TK9/AP3 || Agados, spol. s.r.o. (trailer) (Czech Republic) |- | TK9/HP1 || Hipocar (truck trailer) (Czech Republic) |- | TK9/PP7 || Paragan Trucks (truck trailer) (Czech Republic) |- | TK9/SL5 || SOR Libchavy buses (Czech Republic) |- | TK9/SS5 || SVAN Chrudim (truck trailer) (Czech Republic) |- | TLJ || Jawa Moto (Czech Republic) |- | TMA || [[../Hyundai/VIN Codes|Hyundai]] Motor Manufacturing Czech |- | TMB || Škoda Auto|Škoda (Czech Republic) |- | TMC || [[../Hyundai/VIN Codes|Hyundai]] Motor Manufacturing Czech (SUV) |- | TMK || Karosa (Czech Republic) |- | TMP || Škoda trolleybuses (Czech Republic) |- | TMT || Tatra passenger car (Czech Republic) |- | TM9/CA2 || Oasa bus (Oprava a stavba automobilů) (Czech Republic) |- | TM9/SE3 || Škoda Transportation trolleybuses (Czech Republic) |- | TM9/SE4 || Škoda Transportation trolleybuses (Czech Republic) |- | TM9/TE6 || TEDOM bus (Czech Republic) |- | TNA || Avia/Daewoo Avia |- | TNE || TAZ |- | TNG || LIAZ (Liberecké Automobilové Závody) |- | TNT || Tatra trucks |- | TNU || Tatra trucks |- | TN9/EE7 || Ekova (bus) (Czech Republic) |- | TN9/VP5 || VPS (truck trailer) |- | TRA || Ikarus Bus |- | TRC || Csepel bus |- | TRE || Rákos bus |- | TRK || Credo bus/Kravtex (Hungary) |- | TRR || Rába Bus (Hungary) |- | TRU || Audi Hungary (TT/TTS, '12-'13 TT RS) |- | TSB || Ikarus Bus |- | TSC || VIN assigned by the National Transport Authority of Hungary |- | TSE || Ikarus Egyedi Autobuszgyar (EAG) (Hungary) |- | TSF || Alfabusz (Hungary) |- | TSM || Suzuki Hungary (Magyar Suzuki),<br> Fiat Sedici made by Suzuki, Subaru Justy G3X made by Suzuki, Suzuki Swace made by Toyota UK (TMUK) |- | TSY || Keeway Motorcycles (Hungary) |- | TS9/111 || NABI Autóbuszipari (bus) (Hungary) |- | TS9/130 || Enterprise Bus (Hungary) |- | TS9/131 || MJT bus (Hungary) |- | TS9/156 || Ikarus / ARC (Auto Rad Controlle Kft.) bus (Hungary) |- | TS9/167 || Hungarian Bus Kft. (Hungary) |- | TS9/170 || Csaba Metál bus (Hungary) |- | TT9/117 || Ikarus Egyedi Autobusz Gyarto Kft. / Magyar Autóbuszgyártó Kft. / MABI (Hungary) |- | TT9/123 || Ikarus Global Zrt. (Hungary) |- | TWG || CaetanoBus (Portugal) |- | TW0 || CaetanoBus (Portugal) |- | TW1 || Toyota Caetano Portugal, S.A. (Toyota Coaster, Dyna, Optimo, Land Cruiser 70 Series) |- | TW2 || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Ford]] Lusitana (Portugal) |- | TW4 || UMM (Portugal) |- | TW6 || Citroën (Portugal) |- | TW7 || Mini Moke made by British Leyland & Austin Rover Portugal |- | TX5 || Mini Moke made by Cagiva (Moke Automobili) |- | TX9/046 || Riotrailer (truck trailer) (Portugal) |- | TYA || Mitsubishi Fuso Truck and Bus Corp. Portugal (right-hand drive) |- | TYB || Mitsubishi Fuso Truck and Bus Corp. Portugal (left-hand drive) |- | T3C || Lohr Backa Topola (truck trailer) (Serbia) |- | T49/BG7 || FAP (Serbia) |- | T49/BH8 || Megabus (bus) (Serbia) |- | T49/BM2 || Feniksbus (minibus) (Serbia) |- | T49/V16 || MAZ made by BIK (bus) (Serbia) |- | T7A || Ebusco (Netherlands) |- | UA1 || AUSA Center (Spain) |- | UA2 || Iveco Massif & Campagnola made by Santana Motors in Spain |- | UA4 || Irizar e-mobility (Spain) |- | UCY || Silence Urban Ecomobility (Spain) |- | UD3 || Granalu truck trailers (Belgium) |- | UHE || Scanvogn (trailer) (Denmark) |- | UHL || Camp-let (recreational vehicle) (Denmark) |- | UH2 || Brenderup (trailer) (Denmark) |- | UH2 || De Forenede Trailerfabrikke (trailer) (Denmark) |- | UH9/DA3 || DAB - Danish Automobile Building (acquired by Scania) (Denmark) |- | UH9/FK1 || Dapa Trailer (truck trailer) (Denmark) |- | UH9/HF1 || HFR Trailer A/S (truck trailer) (Denmark) |- | UH9/HM1 || HMK Bilcon A/S (truck trailer) (Denmark) |- | UH9/NS1 || Nopa (truck trailer) (Denmark) |- | UH9/NT1 || Nordic Trailer (truck trailer) (Denmark) |- | UH9/VM2 || VM Tarm a/s (truck trailer) (Denmark) |- | UJG || Garia ApS - Club Car (Denmark) |- | UKR || Hero Camper (Denmark) |- | UMT || MTDK a/s (truck trailer) (Denmark) |- | UN1 || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Ford]] Ireland |- | UN9/089 || Brian Noone Ltd. bus (Ireland) |- | UU1 || Dacia (Romania) |- | UU2 || Oltcit |- | UU3 || ARO |- | UU4 || Roman/Grivbuz |- | UU5 || Rocar |- | UU6 || Daewoo Romania |- | UU7 || Euro Bus Diamond |- | UU9 || Astra Bus |- | UVW || UMM (truck trailer) |- | UV9/AT1 || ATP Trucks, ATP Bus |- | UWR || Robus Reșița |- | UZT || UTB (Uzina de Tractoare Brașov) |- | U1A || Sanos (North Macedonia) |- | U1V || VDL Van Hool Macedonia (North Macedonia) |- | U5Y || Kia Motors Slovakia |- | U59/AS0 || ASKO (truck trailer) |- | U6A || Granus (bus) (Slovakia) |- | U6Y || Kia Motors Slovakia |- | U69/NL1 || Novoplan (bus) (Slovakia) |- | U69/SB1 || SlovBus (bus) |- | U69/TR8 || Troliga Bus (Slovakia) |- | VAG || Steyr-Daimler-Puch Puch G & Steyr-Puch Pinzgauer |- | VAH || Hangler (truck trailer) |- | VAK || Kässbohrer Transport Technik |- | VAN || MAN Austria/Steyr-Daimler-Puch Steyr Trucks |- | VAV || Schwarzmüller |- | VAX || Schwingenschlogel (truck trailer) |- | VA0 || ÖAF, Gräf & Stift |- | VA4 || KSR Group (motorcycle) |- | VA9/GS0 || Gsodam Fahrzeugbau (truck trailer) |- | VA9/RB1 || Rosenbauer International AG (truck) |- | VA9/ZT0 || Berger Fahrzeugtechnik (truck trailer) |- | VBF || Fit-Zel (trailer) |- | VBK || KTM |- | VBK || Husqvarna Motorcycles & Gas Gas under KTM ownership |- | VCF || Fisker Inc. (Fisker Ocean) made by Magna Steyr |- | VFA || Alpine (A310, A610, A110, A390), Renault Alpine GTA |- | VFG || Caravelair (caravans) |- | VFK || Fruehauf (truck trailers) |- | VFN || Trailor, General Trailers (truck trailers) |- | VF1 || Renault, Renault GTA '87-'90 (UK market Alpine GTA), Mobilize Duo, Eagle Medallion made by Renault,<br> Opel/Vauxhall Arena made by Renault, Mitsubishi ASX, Colt, Grandis, & Eclipse Cross EV made by Renault |- | VF2 || Renault Trucks |- | VF3 || Peugeot |- | VF4 || Talbot |- | VF5 || Iveco Unic |- | VF6 || Renault Trucks including vans made by Renault S.A. & Maxity truck made by Nissan Motor Ibérica S.A. |- | VF7 || Citroën |- | VF8 || Matra Automobiles (Talbot-Matra Murena, Rancho made by Matra, Renault Espace I/II/III, Avantime made by Matra) |- | VF9/024 || Legras Industries (truck trailer) |- | VF9/045 || Nardeau SAS (truck trailer) |- | VF9/049 || G. Magyar (truck trailer) |- | VF9/063 || Maisonneuve (truck trailer) |- | VF9/132 || Jean CHEREAU S.A.S. (truck trailer) |- | VF9/300 || EvoBus France |- | VF9/435 || Merceron (truck trailer) |- | VF9/519 || Hommell |- | VF9/607 || Mathieu (sweeper) |- | VF9/673 || Venturi Automobiles |- | VF9/795 || [[../Bugatti/VIN Codes|Bugatti Automobiles S.A.S.]] |- | VF9/848 || G. Magyar (truck trailer) |- | VF9/880 || Bolloré Bluebus |- | VF9/938 || SAFRA (bus) |- | VGA || Peugeot Motocycles |- | VGT || ASCA (truck trailers) |- | VGU || Trouillet (truck trailers) |- | VGW || BSLT (truck trailers) |- | VGX || Coder (truck trailers) |- | VGY || Lohr (truck trailers) |- | VG5 || MBK (motorcycles) & Yamaha Motor |- | VG6 || Renault Trucks & Mack Trucks medium duty trucks made by Renault Trucks |- | VG7 || Renault Trucks |- | VG8 || Renault Trucks |- | VG9/019 || Naya (autonomous vehicle) |- | VG9/061 || Alstom-NTL Aptis (bus) |- | VHR || Robuste (truck trailer) |- | VHX || Manitowoc Cranes - Potain |- | VH1 || Benalu SAS (truck trailer) |- | VH8 || Microcar |- | VJR || Ligier |- | VJY || Gruau |- | VJ1 || Heuliez Bus |- | VJ2 || Mia Electric |- | VJ4 || Gruau |- | VKD || Cheval Liberté (horse trailer) |- | VK1 || SEG (truck trailer) |- | VK2 || Grandin Automobiles |- | VK8 || Venturi Automobiles |- | VLG || Aixam-Mega |- | VLU || Scania France |- | VL4 || Bluecar, Citroen E-Mehari |- | VMK || Renault Sport Spider |- | VMS || Automobiles Chatenet |- | VMT || SECMA |- | VMW || Gépébus Oréos 55 |- | VM3 || Lamberet (trailer) |- | VM3 || Chereau (truck trailer) |- | VN1 || Renault SOVAB (France), Opel/Vauxhall Movano A made at SOVAB |- | VN4 || Voxan |- | VNB || Sherco Motorcycles SARL |- | VNE || Iveco Bus/Irisbus (France) |- | VNK || [[../Toyota/VIN Codes|Toyota]] Motor Manufacturing France & '11-'13 Daihatsu Charade (XP90) made by TMMF |- | VNV || Nissan made in France by Renault |- | VPG || MPM Motors |- | VPL || Nosmoke S.A.S |- | VP3 || G. Magyar (truck trailers) |- | VRW || Goupil |- | VR1 || DS Automobiles |- | VR3 || Peugeot (under Stellantis) |- | VR7 || Citroën (under Stellantis) |- | VSA || Mercedes-Benz Spain |- | VSC || Talbot |- | VSE || Santana Motors (Land Rover Series-based models) & Suzuki SJ/Samurai, Jimny, & Vitara made by Santana Motors in Spain |- | VSF || Santana Motors (Anibal/PS-10, 300/350) |- | VSK || Nissan Motor Iberica SA, Nissan passenger car/MPV/van/SUV/pickup & Ford Maverick 1993–1999 |- | VSR || Leciñena (truck trailers) |- | VSS || SEAT/Cupra |- | VSX || Opel Spain |- | VSY || Renault V.I. Spain (bus) |- | VS1 || Pegaso |- | VS5 || Renault Spain |- | VS6 || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Ford]] Spain |- | VS7 || Citroën Spain |- | VS8 || Peugeot Spain |- | VS9/001 || Setra Seida (Spain) |- | VS9/011 || Advanced Design Tramontana |- | VS9/013 || Mirofret (truck trailer) (Spain) |- | VS9/016 || Irizar bus (Spain) |- | VS9/019 || Cobos Hermanos (truck trailer) (Spain) |- | VS9/031 || Carrocerias Ayats (Spain) |- | VS9/032 || Parcisa (truck trailer) (Spain) |- | VS9/044 || Beulas bus (Spain) (Spain) |- | VS9/047 || Indox (truck trailers) (Spain) |- | VS9/052 || Montull (truck trailer) (Spain) |- | VS9/057 || SOR Ibérica (truck trailers) (Spain) |- | VS9/072 || Mecanicas Silva (truck trailer) (Spain) |- | VS9/098 || Sunsundegui bus (Spain) |- | VS9/172 || EvoBus Iberica |- | VS9/917 || Nogebus (Spain) |- | VTD || Montesa Honda (Honda Montesa motorcycle models) |- | VTH || Derbi (motorcycles) |- | VTL || Yamaha Spain (motorcycles) |- | VTM || Montesa Honda (Honda motorcycle models) |- | VTP || Rieju S.A. (motorcycles) |- | VTR || Gas Gas |- | VTT || Suzuki Spain (motorcycles) |- | VVC || SOR Ibérica (truck trailers) |- | VVG || Tisvol (truck trailers) |- | VV1 || Lecitrailer Group (truck trailers) |- | VV5 || Prim-Ball (truck trailers) |- | VV9/ || [[wikipedia:Tauro Sport Auto|TAURO]] Sport Auto Spain |- | VV9/010 || Castrosúa bus (Spain) |- | VV9/125 || Indetruck (truck trailers) |- | VV9/130 || Vectia Mobility bus (Spain) |- | VV9/130 || UNVI bus (Spain) |- | VV9/359|| Hispano-Suiza |- | VWA || Nissan Vehiculos Industriales SA, Nissan Commercial Vehicles |- | VWF || Guillén Group (truck trailers) |- | VWL || Indox (truck trailers) |- | VWV || Volkswagen Spain |- | VXE || Opel Automobile Gmbh/Vauxhall van |- | VXF || Fiat van (Fiat Scudo, Ulysse '22-) |- | VXK || Opel Automobile Gmbh/Vauxhall car/SUV |- | VXY || Neobus a.d. (Serbia) |- | VX1 || [[w:Zastava Automobiles|Zastava Automobiles]] / [[w:Yugo|Yugo]] (Yugoslavia/Serbia) |- | VYC || Lancia Ypsilon (4th gen.) |- | VYE || Jeep Compass (3rd gen. - EU market '26-) |- | VYF || Fiat Doblo '23- & Fiat Topolino '23- & Fiat Grande Panda '25- |- | VYJ || Ram 1200 '25- (sold in Mexico) |- | VYS || Renault & Alpine made by Ampere (Renault 5 E-Tech, Renault 4 E-Tech, Alpine A290) |- | VZ2 || Avtomontaža (bus) (Slovenia) |- | V1Y || FAS Sanos bus (Yugoslavia/North Macedonia) |- | V2X || Ikarbus a.d. (Serbia) |- | V31 || Tvornica Autobusa Zagreb (TAZ) (Croatia) |- | V34 || Crobus bus (Croatia) |- | V39/AB8 || Rimac Automobili (Croatia) |- | V39/CB3 || Eurobus (Croatia) |- | V39/WB4 || Rasco (machinery) (Croatia) |- | V6A || Bestnet AS; Tiki trailers (Estonia) |- | V6B || Brentex-Trailer (Estonia) |- | V6T || Verge Motorcycles (Estonia) |- | V61 || Respo Trailers (Estonia) |- | WAC || Arge Audi Porsche (Audi/Porsche RS2 Avant) |- | WAF || Ackermann (truck trailer) |- | WAG || Neoplan |- | WAP || Alpina |- | WAU || Audi car |- | WA1 || Audi SUV |- | WBA || BMW car |- | WBC || Boom Trikes |- | WBJ || Bitter Cars |- | WBK || Böcker Maschinenwerke GmbH |- | WBL || Blumhardt (truck trailers) |- | WBS || BMW M car |- | WBU || Bürstner (caravans) |- | WBX || BMW SUV |- | WBY || BMW i car |- | WB0 || Böckmann Fahrzeugwerke GmbH (trailers) |- | WB1 || BMW Motorrad |- | WB2 || Blyss (trailer) |- | WB3 || BMW Motorrad Motorcycles made in India by TVS |- | WB4 || BMW Motorrad Motorscooters made in China by Loncin |- | WB5 || BMW i SUV |- | WCD || Freightliner Sprinter "bus" (van with more than 3 rows of seats) 2008–2019 |- | WCM || Wilcox (truck trailer) |- | WDA || Mercedes-Benz incomplete vehicle (North America) |- | WDB || [[../Mercedes-Benz/VIN Codes|Mercedes-Benz]] & Maybach |- | WDC || Mercedes-Benz SUV |- | WDD || [[../Mercedes-Benz/VIN Codes|Mercedes-Benz]] car |- | WDF || [[../Mercedes-Benz/VIN Codes|Mercedes-Benz]] van/pickup (French & Spanish built models – Citan & Vito & X-Class) |- | WDP || Freightliner Sprinter incomplete vehicle 2005–2019 |- | WDR || Freightliner Sprinter MPV (van with 2 or 3 rows of seats) 2005–2019 |- | WDT || Dethleffs (caravans) |- | WDW || Dodge Sprinter "bus" (van with more than 3 rows of seats) 2008–2009 |- | WDX || Dodge Sprinter incomplete vehicle 2005–2009 |- | WDY || Freightliner Sprinter truck (cargo van with 1 row of seats) 2005–2019 |- | WDZ || Mercedes-Benz "bus" (van with more than 3 rows of seats) (North America) |- | WD0 || Dodge Sprinter truck (cargo van with 1 row of seats) 2005–2009 |- | WD1 || Freightliner Sprinter 2002 & Sprinter (Dodge or Freightliner) 2003–2005 incomplete vehicle |- | WD2 || Freightliner Sprinter 2002 & Sprinter (Dodge or Freightliner) 2003–2005 truck (cargo van with 1 row of seats) |- | WD3 || Mercedes-Benz truck (cargo van with 1 row of seats) (North America) |- | WD4 || Mercedes-Benz MPV (van with 2 or 3 rows of seats) (North America) |- | WD5 || Freightliner Sprinter 2002 & Sprinter (Dodge or Freightliner) 2003–2005 MPV (van with 2 or 3 rows of seats) |- | WD6 || Freightliner Unimog truck |- | WD7 || Freightliner Unimog incomplete vehicle |- | WD8 || Dodge Sprinter MPV (van with 2 or 3 rows of seats) 2005–2009 |- | WEB || Evobus GmbH (Mercedes-Benz buses) |- | WEG || Ablinger (trailer) |- | WEL || e.GO Mobile AG |- | WFB || Feldbinder Spezialfahrzeugwerke GmbH |- | WFC || Fendt (caravans) |- | WFD || Fliegl Trailer |- | WFN || Tadano Faun GmbH |- | WF0 || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Ford]] Germany |- | WF1 || Merkur |- | WGB || Göppel Bus GmbH |- | WG0 || Goldhofer AG (truck trailer) |- | WHB || Hobby - Wohnwagenwerk, Ing. H. Striewski GmbH (recreational vehicles) |- | WHD || Humbaur GmbH (truck trailer) |- | WHL || Hulco (trailer) |- | WHW || Hako GmbH |- | WHY || Hymer GmbH & Co. KG (recreational vehicles) |- | WH7 || Hüfferman (truck trailer) |- | WJM || Iveco/Iveco Magirus |- | WJR || Irmscher |- | WKE || Krone (truck trailers) |- | WKK || Setra (Evobus GmbH; formerly Kässbohrer) |- | WKN || Knaus, Weinsberg (caravans) |- | WKV || Kässbohrer Fahrzeugwerke Gmbh (truck trailers) |- | WK0 || Kögel (truck trailers) |- | WLA || Langendorf semi-trailers |- | WLF || Liebherr (mobile crane) |- | WMA || MAN Truck & Bus |- | WME || smart (from 5/99) |- | WMG || Demag Cranes |- | WMM || Karl Müller GmbH & Co. KG (truck trailers) |- | WMP || M & V GmbH (truck trailers) |- | WMU || Hako GmbH (Multicar) |- | WMW || MINI car |- | WMX || Mercedes-AMG used for Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG & Mercedes-AMG GT & Mercedes-AMG One (not used in North America) |- | WMZ || MINI SUV |- | WNA || Next.e.GO Mobile SE |- | WP0 || Porsche car |- | WP1 || Porsche SUV |- | WRA || Renders (truck trailers) |- | WRJ || Riese & Müller (bicycle) |- | WSE || STEMA Metalleichtbau GmbH (trailers) |- | WSJ || STERK Trailers (truck trailers) |- | WSK || Schmitz-Cargobull Gotha (truck trailers) |- | WSM || Schmitz-Cargobull (truck trailers) |- | WSP || Spitzer (truck trailers) |- | WSV || Aebi Schmidt Group |- | WS5 || StreetScooter |- | WS7 || Sono Motors |- | WTA || Tabbert (caravans) |- | WUA || Audi Sport GmbH (formerly quattro GmbH) car <br> (includes '04-'09 S4 Cabriolet & '06 S4 25quattro Special Edition sedan & '16-'18 S8 Plus & non-North American mkt. Q7 V12 TDI) |- | WU1 || Audi Sport GmbH (formerly quattro GmbH) SUV |- | WVG || Volkswagen SUV & Touran & N. American mkt. ID Buzz '25 |- | WVM || Arbeitsgemeinschaft VW-MAN |- | WVP || Viseon Bus |- | WVW || Volkswagen passenger car, Sharan, Golf Plus, Golf Sportsvan |- | WV1 || Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles (cargo van or 1st gen. Amarok) |- | WV2 || Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles (passenger van or minibus) |- | WV3 || Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles (incomplete vehicle: chassis cab/cutaway)<br> [includes Winnebago Rialta ('97-'04), Winnebago Vista ('02-'04), Itasca Sunstar ('02-'04)] |- | WV4 || Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles (2nd gen. Amarok & T7 Transporter made by Ford) |- | WV5 || Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles (T7 Caravelle made by Ford) |- | WWA || Wachenhut (truck trailer) |- | WWC || WM Meyer (truck trailer) |- | WZ1 || Toyota Supra (Fifth generation for North America) |- | W0D || Obermaier (truck trailer) |- | W0L || Adam Opel AG/Vauxhall & Holden |- | W0L || Holden Zafira & Subaru Traviq made by GM Thailand |- | W0V || Opel Automobile Gmbh/Vauxhall & Holden (since 2017) |- | W04 || Buick Regal & Buick Cascada |- | W06 || Cadillac Catera |- | W08 || Saturn Astra |- | W09/A55 || Artega Automobile |- | W09/A71 || Apollo |- | W09/B09 || Bitter Cars |- | W09/B16 || Brabus |- | W09/B48 || Bultmann (trailer) |- | W09/B91 || Boerner (truck trailer) |- | W09/C09 || Carnehl Fahrzeugbau (truck trailer) |- | W09/D04 || DOLL (truck trailer) |- | W09/D05 || Drögmöller (bus) |- | W09/D17 || Dinkel (truck trailer) |- | W09/E04 || Eder (trailer) |- | W09/E27 || Esterer (truck trailer) |- | W09/E32 || ES-GE (truck trailer) |- | W09/E45 || Eurotank (truck trailer) |- | W09/F46 || FSN Fahrzeugbau (truck trailer) |- | W09/F57 || Twike |- | W09/G10 || GOFA (truck trailer) |- | W09/G64 || Gumpert |- | W09/H10 || Heitling Fahrzeugbau |- | W09/H21|| Dietrich Hisle GmbH (truck trailer) |- | W09/H46 || Hendricks (truck trailer) |- | W09/H49 || H&W Nutzfahrzeugtechnik GmbH (truck trailer) |- | W09/J02 || Isdera |- | W09/K27 || Krupp |- | W09/K27 || Kotschenreuther (truck trailer) |- | W09/L05 || Liebherr |- | W09/L06 || LMC Caravan (recreational vehicles) |- | W09/M08 || MEILLER Kipper (truck trailer) |- | W09/M09 || Meierling (truck trailer) |- | W09/M29 || MAFA (truck trailer) |- | W09/M40 || Franz Mersch (trailer) |- | W09/M79 || MKF Matallbau (truck trailer) |- | W09/N22 || NFP-Eurotrailer (truck trailer) |- | W09/P13 || Pagenkopf (truck trailer) |- | W09/P72 || De Tomaso Automobili (Capricorn) |- | W09/R06 || RUF |- | W09/R14 || Rancke (truck trailer) |- | W09/R27 || Gebr. Recker Fahrzeugbau (truck trailer) |- | W09/R30 || Reisch (truck trailer) |- | W09/R38 || Rewaco |- | W09/SG0 || Sileo (bus) |- | W09/SG1 || SEKA (truck trailer) |- | W09/S24 || Sommer (truck trailer) |- | W09/S25 || Spermann (truck trailer) |- | W09/S27 || Schröder (truck trailer) |- | W09/W11 || Wilken (truck trailer) |- | W09/W14 || Weka (truck trailer) |- | W09/W16 || Wellmeyer (truck trailer) |- | W09/W20 || Kurt Willig GmbH & Co. KG (truck trailer) |- | W09/W29 || Wiese (truck trailer) |- | W09/W35 || Wecon GmbH (truck trailer) |- | W09/W46 || WT-Metall (trailer) |- | W09/W59 || Wiesmann |- | W09/W70 || Wüllhorst (truck trailer) |- | W09/W86 || Web Trailer GmbH (truck trailer) |- | W09/004 || ORTEN Fahrzeugbau (truck trailer) |- | W1A || smart |- | W1H || Freightliner Econic |- | W1K || Mercedes-Benz car |- | W1N || Mercedes-Benz SUV |- | W1T || Mercedes-Benz truck |- | W1V || Mercedes-Benz van |- | W1W || Mercedes-Benz MPV (van with 2 or 3 rows of seats) (North America) |- | W1X || Mercedes-Benz incomplete vehicle (North America) |- | W1Y || Mercedes-Benz truck (cargo van with 1 row of seats) (North America) |- | W1Z || Mercedes-Benz "bus" (van with more than 3 rows of seats) (North America) |- | W2W || Freightliner Sprinter MPV (van with 2 or 3 rows of seats) |- | W2X || Freightliner Sprinter incomplete vehicle |- | W2Y || Freightliner Sprinter truck (cargo van with 1 row of seats) |- | W2Z || Freightliner Sprinter "bus" (van with more than 3 rows of seats) |- | XDN || Mercedes Sprinter Classic made by GAZ (Russia) |- | XD2 || CTTM Cargoline (truck trailer) (Russia) |- | XEA || AmberAvto (Avtotor) (Russia) |- | XE2 || AMKAR Automaster (truck trailer) (Russia) |- | XF9/B24 || NK Trailers (truck trailer) (Greece) |- | XF9/D44 || Militsis (trailer) (Greece) |- | XF9/J03 || Christos Nezis (truck trailer) (Greece) |- | XF9/J63 || Kaoussis (truck trailer) (Greece) |- | XG3 || Petros Petropoulos Group - Ecoshift NOOS electric motorscooters (Greece) |- | XG4|| Mpitis (trailer) (Greece) |- | XG5 || Stavropoulos trailers (Greece) |- | XG6 || MGK Hellenic Motor motorcycles (Greece) |- | XG8 || Gorgolis SA motorcycles (Greece) |- | XG9/B01 || Sfakianakis bus Greece |- | XG9/H33 || Rappas Trailer (Greece) |- | XG9/H51 || Eurotrailer Tourlakopoulos (trailer) (Greece) |- | XG9/H92 || Diamantis N. & Co. (trailer) (Greece) |- | XΗ9/B21 || Hellenic Vehicle Industry - ELVO bus Greece |- | XH9/H08 || Poseidonas Litsakis (trailer) (Greece) |- | XH9/H34 || Flexi-Wheels (trailer) (Greece) |- | XJY || Bonum (truck trailer) (Russia) |- | XJ4 || PKTS (PK Transportnye Sistemy) bus (Russia) |- | XKM || Volgabus (Russia) |- | XLA || DAF Bus International |- | XLB || Volvo Car B.V./NedCar B.V. (Volvo Cars) |- | XLC || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Ford]] Netherlands |- | XLD || Pacton Trailers B.V. |- | XLE || Scania Netherlands |- | XLH || Hapert (trailer) |- | XLJ || Anssems (trailer) |- | XLK || Burg Trailer Service BV (truck trailer) |- | XLR || DAF Trucks & Leyland DAF |- | XLU || Henra (trailer) |- | XLV || DAF Bus |- | XLW || Terberg Benschop BV |- | XL3 || Ebusco |- | XL4 ||Lightyear |- | XL9/001 || ESVE BV (truck trailers) |- | XL9/002 || Jumbo Groenewegen (truck trailers) |- | XL9/003 || Autobusfabriek Bova BV |- | XL9/004 || G.S. Meppel (truck trailers) |- | XL9/007|| Broshuis BV (truck trailer) |- | XL9/010|| Ginaf Trucks |- | XL9/014 || Contar (truck trailer) |- | XL9/017 || Van Eck (truck trailer) |- | XL9/021 || Donkervoort Cars |- | XL9/033 || Wijer (trailer) |- | XL9/039 || Talson (truck trailer) |- | XL9/042 || Den Oudsten Bussen |- | XL9/052 || Witteveen (trailer) |- | XL9/055 || Fripaan (truck trailer) |- | XL9/067 || HTF (truck trailer) |- | XL9/068 || Vogelzang (truck trailer) |- | XL9/069 || Kraker (truck trailer) |- | XL9/070 || Veldhuizen (truck trailers) |- | XL9/073 || Zwalve (truck trailers) |- | XL9/074 || Draco (truck trailers) |- | XL9/081 || EBO van Weel (truck trailers) |- | XL9/084 || Vocol (truck trailers) |- | XL9/089 || Meijvo (trailers) |- | XL9/092 || Bulthuis (truck trailers) |- | XL9/103 || D-TEC (truck trailers) |- | XL9/109|| Groenewold Carrosseriefabriek B.V. (car transporter) |- | XL9/150 || Univan (truck trailer) |- | XL9/251 || Spierings Mobile Cranes |- | XL9/320 || VDL Bova bus |- | XL9/348 || HOKA (trailer) |- | XL9/355 || Berdex (truck trailer) |- | XL9/363 || Spyker |- | XL9/423 || Tijhof (trailer) |- | XL9/461 || BK Market Trailers (trailer) |- | XL9/495 || BE-Combi (truck trailer) |- | XL9/508 || Talson (truck trailer) |- | XL9/527 || GINAF |- | XL9/530 || Ebusco |- | XL9/611 || Zocon (trailer) |- | XMC || NedCar B.V. Mitsubishi Motors (LHD) |- | XMD || NedCar B.V. Mitsubishi Motors (RHD) |- | XMG || VDL Bus International |- | XMR || Nooteboom Trailers |- | XM4 || RAVO Holding B.V. (sweeper) |- | XNB || NedCar B.V. Mitsubishi Motors made by Pininfarina (Colt CZC convertible - RHD) |- | XNC || NedCar B.V. Mitsubishi Motors made by Pininfarina (Colt CZC convertible - LHD) |- | XNJ || Broshuis (truck trailer) |- | XNL || VDL Bus & Coach |- | XNT || Pacton Trailers B.V. (truck trailer) |- | XN1 || Kraker Trailers Axel B.V. (truck trailer) |- | XPN || Knapen Trailers |- | XPP || Atec Trailers |- | XP7 || Tesla Europe (based in the Netherlands) (Gigafactory Berlin-Brandenburg) |- | XRP || Proline (trailer) |- | XRY || D-TEC (truck trailer) |- | XR7 || Qarry |- | XTA || Lada / AvtoVAZ (Russia) |- | XTB || Moskvitch / AZLK (Russia) |- | XTC || KAMAZ (Russia) |- | XTD || LuAZ (Ukraine) |- | XTE || ZAZ (Ukraine) |- | XTF || GolAZ (Russia) |- | XTH || GAZ (Russia) |- | XTJ || Lada Oka made by SeAZ (Russia) |- | XTK || IzhAvto (Russia) |- | XTM || MAZ (Belarus); used until 1997 |- | XTP || Ural (Russia) |- | XTS || ChMZAP (truck trailer) |- | XTT || UAZ / Sollers (Russia) |- | XTU || Trolza, previously ZiU (Russia) |- | XTW || LAZ (Ukraine) |- | XTY || LiAZ (Russia) |- | XTZ || ZiL (Russia) |- | XUF || General Motors Russia |- | XUS || Nizhegorodets (minibus) (Russia) |- | XUU || Avtotor (Russia, Chevrolet SKD, Kaiyi Auto) |- | XUV || Avtotor (DFSK, SWM) |- | XUZ || InterPipeVAN (truck trailer) |- | XU6 || Avtodom (minibus) (Russia) |- | XVG || MARZ (bus) (Russia) |- | XVU || Start (truck trailer) |- | XW7 || Toyota Motor Manufacturing Russia |- | XW8 || Volkswagen Group Russia |- | XWB || UZ-Daewoo/GM Uzbekistan/Ravon/UzAuto Motors (Uzbekistan) |- | XWB || Avtotor (Russia, BAIC SKD) |- | XWE || Avtotor (Russia, Hyundai-Kia SKD) |- | XWF || Avtotor (Russia, Chevrolet Tahoe/Opel/Cadillac/Hummer SKD) |- | XX3 || Ujet Manufacturing (Luxembourg) |- | XZB || SIMAZ (bus) (Russia) |- | XZE || Specpricep (truck trailer) |- | XZG || Great Wall Motor (Haval Motor Rus) |- | XZP || Gut Trailer (truck trailer) |- | XZT || FoxBus (minibus) (Russia) |- | X1D || RAF (Rīgas Autobusu Fabrika) (Latvia) |- | X1E || KAvZ (Russia) |- | X1F || NefAZ (Russia) |- | X1M || PAZ (Russia) |- | X1P || Ural (Russia) |- | X2L || Fox Trailer (truck trailer) (Russia) |- | X21 || Diesel-S (truck trailer) (Russia) |- | X4K || Volgabus (Volzhanin) (Russia) |- | X4T || Sommer (truck trailer) (Russia) |- | X4X || Avtotor (Russia, BMW SKD) |- | X5A || UralSpetzTrans (trailer) (Russia) |- | X6D || VIS-AVTO (Russia) |- | X6S || TZA (truck trailer) (Russia) |- | X7L || Renault AvtoFramos (1998-2014), Renault Russia (2014-2022), Moskvitch (2022-) (Russia) |- | X7M || [[../Hyundai/VIN Codes|Hyundai]] & Vortex (rebadged Chery) made by TagAZ (Russia) |- | X89/AD4 || ВМЗ (VMZ) bus |- | X89/BF8 || Rosvan bus |- | X89/CU2 || EvoBus Russland (bus) |- | X89/DJ2 || VMK (bus) |- | X89/EY4 || Brabill (minibus) |- | X89/FF6 || Lotos (bus) |- | X89/FY1 || Sherp |- | X8J || IMZ-Ural Ural Motorcycles |- | X8U || Scania Russia |- | X9F || Ford Motor Company ZAO |- | X9L || GM-AvtoVAZ |- | X9N || Samoltor (minibus) |- | X9P || Volvo Vostok ZAO (Volvo Trucks) |- | X9W || Brilliance, Lifan made by Derways |- | X9X || Great Wall Motors |- | X96 || GAZ |- | X99/000 || Marussia |- | X90 || GRAZ (truck trailer) |- | X0T || Tonar (truck trailer) |- | YAF || Faymonville (special transport trailers) |- | YAG || Syma aanhangwagenbouw BV (trailers) |- | YAM || MAX Trailer (truck trailers) |- | YAR || Toyota Motor Europe (based in Belgium) used for Toyota ProAce, Toyota ProAce City and Toyota ProAce Max made by PSA/Stellantis |- | YA2 || Atlas Copco Group |- | YA5 || Renders (truck trailers) |- | YA9/ || Lambrecht Constructie NV (truck trailers) |- | YA9/111 || OVA (truck trailer) |- | YA9/121 || Atcomex (truck trailer) |- | YA9/128 || EOS (bus) |- | YA9/139 || ATM Maaseik (truck trailer) |- | YA9/168 || Forthomme s.a. (truck trailer) |- | YA9/169 || Automobiles Gillet |- | YA9/180 || EOS (bus) |- | YA9/191 || Stokota (truck trailers) |- | YA9/195 || Denolf & Depla (minibus) |- | YBC || Toyota Supra (Fifth generation for Europe) |- | YBD || Addax Motors |- | YBW || Volkswagen Belgium |- | YB1 || Volvo Trucks Belgium (truck) |- | YB2 || Volvo Trucks Belgium (bus chassis) |- | YB3 || Volvo Trucks Belgium (incomplete vehicle) |- | YB4 || LAG Trailers N.V. 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(federalized late model DeTomaso Pantera) |- | 1A9/398 || Ameritech (federalized McLaren F1 & Bugatti EB110) |- | 1A9/569 || American Custom Golf Cars Inc. 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Etnyre & Co. (truck trailer) |- | 1E9/190 || Electric Transit Inc. (trolleybus) |- | 1E9/363 || E-SUV LLC (E-Ride Industries) |- | 1E9/456 || Electric Motorsport (GPR-S electric motorcycle) |- | 1E9/526 || Epic TORQ |- | 1E9/581 || Vetter Razor |- | 1EU || Eagle Coach Corporation (bus) |- | 1FA || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Ford]] car |- | 1FB || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Ford]] "bus" (van with more than 3 rows of seats) |- | 1FC || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Ford]] stripped chassis made by Ford |- | 1FD || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Ford]] incomplete vehicle |- | 1FM || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Ford]] MPV/SUV |- | 1FT || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Ford]] truck |- | 1FU || Freightliner (truck) |- | 1FV || Freightliner (incomplete vehicle) |- | 1F1 || Ford SUV - Limousine (through 2009) |- | 1F6 || Ford stripped chassis made by Detroit Chassis LLC |- | 1F9/037 || Federal Motors Inc. |- | 1F9/140 || Ferrara Fire Apparatus (incomplete vehicle) |- | 1F9/458 || Faraday Future prototypes |- | 1F9/FT1 || FWD Corp. |- | 1F9/ST1 || Seagrave Fire Apparatus |- | 1F9/ST2 || Seagrave Fire Apparatus |- | 1G || [[../GM/VIN Codes|General Motors]] USA |- | 1G0 || GMC "bus" (van with more than 3 rows of seats) 1981–1986 |- | 1G0 || GMC Rapid Transit Series (RTS) bus 1981–1984 |- | 1G0 || Opel/Vauxhall car 2007–2017 |- | 1G1 || [[../GM/VIN Codes|Chevrolet]] car |- | 1G2 || [[../GM/VIN Codes|Pontiac]] car |- | 1G3 || [[../GM/VIN Codes|Oldsmobile]] car |- | 1G4 || [[../GM/VIN Codes|Buick]] car |- | 1G5 || GMC MPV/SUV 1981–1986 |- | 1G6 || [[../GM/VIN Codes|Cadillac]] car |- | 1G7 || Pontiac car only sold by GM Canada |- | 1G8 || Chevrolet MPV/SUV 1981–1986 |- | 1G8 || [[../GM/VIN Codes|Saturn]] car 1991–2010 |- | 1G9/492 || GreenPower Motor Company incomplete vehicle |- | 1G9/495 || Google & Waymo |- | 1GA || Chevrolet "bus" (van with more than 3 rows of seats) |- | 1GB || Chevrolet incomplete vehicles |- | 1GC || [[../GM/VIN Codes|Chevrolet]] truck |- | 1GD || GMC incomplete vehicles |- | 1GE || Cadillac incomplete vehicle |- | 1GF || Flxible bus |- | 1GG || Isuzu pickup trucks made by GM |- | 1GH || GMC Rapid Transit Series (RTS) bus 1985–1986 |- | 1GH || Oldsmobile MPV/SUV 1990–2004 |- | 1GH || Holden Acadia 2019–2020 |- | 1GJ || GMC "bus" (van with more than 3 rows of seats) 1987– |- | 1GK || GMC MPV/SUV 1987– |- | 1GM || [[../GM/VIN Codes|Pontiac]] MPV |- | 1GN || [[../GM/VIN Codes|Chevrolet]] MPV/SUV 1987- |- | 1GR || Great Dane Trailers (truck trailer) |- | 1GT || [[../GM/VIN Codes|GMC]] Truck |- | 1GW || Grumman Olson Kubvan (truck) |- | 1GY || [[../GM/VIN Codes|Cadillac]] SUV |- | 1HA || Chevrolet incomplete vehicles (Express cutaway) made by Navistar International/International Motors |- | 1HD || Harley-Davidson & LiveWire |- | 1HF || Honda motorcycle/ATV/UTV |- | 1HG || [[../Honda/VIN Codes|Honda]] car made by Honda of America Mfg. in Ohio |- | 1HP || International Trucks (complete vehicle - straight truck) |- | 1HS || International Trucks & Caterpillar Trucks (complete vehicle - truck tractor) |- | 1HT || International Trucks & Caterpillar Trucks & Chevrolet Silverado 4500HD, 5500HD, 6500HD (incomplete vehicle - straight truck) |- | 1HV || International or IC Bus (incomplete vehicle - bus) |- | 1H9/674 || Hines Specialty Vehicle Group |- | 1JC || Jeep SUV 1981–1988 (using AMC-style VIN structure) |- | 1JJ || Wabash (truck trailer) |- | 1JT || Jeep truck 1981–1988 (using AMC-style VIN structure) |- | 1JU || Marmon Motor Company |- | 1J4 || Jeep SUV 1989–2011 (using Chrysler-style VIN structure) |- | 1J7 || Jeep truck 1989–1992 (using Chrysler-style VIN structure) |- | 1J8 || Jeep SUV 2002–2011 (using Chrysler-style VIN structure) |- | 1K9/058 || Kovatech Mobile Equipment (fire engine) |- | 1LH || Landoll (truck trailer) |- | 1LJ || Lincoln incomplete vehicle |- | 1LN || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Lincoln]] car |- | 1LV || Lectra Motors |- | 1L0 || Lufkin Trailers |- | 1L1 || Lincoln car – limousine |- | 1L9/155 || LA Exotics |- | 1L9/234 || Laforza |- | 1MB || Mercedes-Benz Truck Co. |- | 1ME || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Mercury]] car |- | 1MR || Continental Mark VI & VII 1981–1985 & Continental sedan 1982–1985 |- | 1M0 || John Deere Gator |- | 1M1 || Mack Truck USA (truck) |- | 1M2 || Mack Truck USA (incomplete vehicle) |- | 1M3 || Mack Truck USA (glider) |- | 1M8 || Motor Coach Industries (bus) |- | 1M9/089 || Mauck Special Vehicles (bus) |- | 1M9/682 || Mosler Automotive |- | 1M9/816 || Proterra Through mid-2019 |- | 1N4 || Nissan car |- | 1N6 || Nissan truck |- | 1N9/019 || Neoplan USA |- | 1N9/084 || Eldorado National (California) |- | 1N9/140 || North American Bus Industries (bus) |- | 1N9/393 || Nikola Corporation (truck) |- | 1NK || Kenworth (incomplete vehicle) |- | 1NL || Gulf Stream Coach (recreational vehicles) |- | 1NN || Monon made by Evans Products Co. (truck trailer) |- | 1NP || Peterbilt (incomplete vehicle) |- | 1NX || Toyota car made by NUMMI |- | 1P3 || Plymouth car |- | 1P4 || Plymouth MPV/SUV |- | 1P7 || Plymouth Scamp |- | 1P9/038 || Hawk Vehicles, Inc. (Trihawk motorcycles) |- | 1P9/213 || Panoz |- | 1P9/255 || Pinson Truck Equipment Company (truck trailer) |- | 1PM || Polar Tank Trailer (truck trailer) |- | 1PT || Trailmobile Trailer Corporation (truck trailer) |- | 1PY || John Deere USA |- | 1RF || Roadmaster, Monaco Coach Corporation |- | 1RN || Reitnouer (truck trailer) |- | 1R9/956 || Reede Fabrication and Design (motorcycles) |- | 1ST || Airstream (recreational vehicles) |- | 1S1 || Strick Trailers (truck trailer) |- | 1S9/003 || Sutphen Corporation (fire engines - truck) |- | 1S9/009|| Superior Trailer Works (truck trailer) |- | 1S9/098 || Scania AB (Scania CN112 bus made in Orange, CT) |- | 1S9/842 || Saleen S7 |- | 1S9/260 || Stairs Welding RL (truck trailer) |- | 1S9/901 || Suckerpunch Sallys, LLC |- | 1S9/944 || SSC North America |- | 1TD || Timpte (truck trailer) |- | 1TK || Trail King (truck trailer) |- | 1TD || Transcraft Corporation (truck trailer) |- | 1T7 || Thomas Built Buses |- | 1T8 || Thomas Built Buses |- | 1T9/072 || The Trailer Co. (truck trailer) |- | 1T9/717 || Thunder Mountain Custom Cycles |- | 1T9/825 || TICO Manufacturing Company (truck) |- | 1T9/899 || Tomcar USA |- | 1T9/970 || Three Two Chopper |- | 1TC || Coachmen Recreational Vehicle Co., LLC |- | 1TU || Transportation Manufacturing Corporation |- | 1UJ || Jayco, Inc. |- | 1UT || AM General military trucks, Jeep DJ made by AM General |- | 1UY || Utility Trailer (truck trailer) |- | 1VH || Orion Bus Industries |- | 1VW || Volkswagen car |- | 1V1 || Volkswagen truck |- | 1V2 || Volkswagen SUV |- | 1V9/048 || Vector Aeromotive |- | 1V9/113 || Vantage Vehicle International Inc (low-speed vehicle) |- | 1V9/190 || Vanderhall Motor Works |- | 1WA || White Motor Company (Autocar brand truck) |- | 1WB || White Motor Company (Autocar brand incomplete vehicle) |- | 1WD || White Motor Company (Autocar brand glider) |- | 1WT || Winnebago Industries: Winnebago M.P.V. |- | 1WU || White Motor Company (White brand truck) |- | 1WV || Winnebago Industries: Winnebago M.P.V. - Class C Motorhome built on VW chassis & front cab [Winnebago Rialta ('95-'96)] |- | 1WW || Winnebago Industries: Winnebago M.P.V. - Class B Motorhome built on Renault chassis [Winnebago LeSharo, Centauri, Itasca Phasar] |- | 1WX || White Motor Company (White brand incomplete vehicle) |- | 1WY || White Motor Company (White brand glider) |- | 1W1 || Wilson Trailer Co. (truck trailer) |- | 1W8 || Witzco (truck trailer) |- | 1W9/010 || Weld-It Company (truck trailer) |- | 1W9/485 || Wheego Electric Cars |- | 1W9/488 || Certified Stainless Services Inc. DBA West-Mark (truck trailer) (2010 & later) |- | 1XA || Excalibur Automobile Corporation |- | 1XK || Kenworth (truck) |- | 1XM || Renault Alliance/GTA/Encore 1984–1987 |- | 1XP || Peterbilt (truck) |- | 1Y1 || Chevrolet/Geo car made by NUMMI |- | 1YJ || Rokon International, Inc. |- | 1YV || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Mazda made by Mazda Motor Manufacturing USA/AutoAlliance International]] |- | 1ZV || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Ford made by Mazda Motor Manufacturing USA/AutoAlliance International]] |- | 1ZW || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Mercury made by AutoAlliance International]] |- | 1Z3 1Z7 || Mitsubishi Raider |- | 1Z9/170 || [[w:Orange County Choppers|Orange County Choppers]] |- | 10B || Brenner Tank (truck trailer) |- | 10R || E-Z-GO |- | 10T || Oshkosh Corporation |- | 11H || Hendrickson Mobile Equipment, Inc. (fire engines - incomplete vehicle) |- | 12A || Avanti |- | 137 || AM General Hummer & Hummer H1 |- | 13N || Fontaine (truck trailer) |- | 15G || Gillig bus |- | 16C || Clenet Coachworks |- | 16W || Certified Stainless Services Inc. DBA West-Mark (truck trailer) (prior to 2010) |- | 16X || Vixen 21 motorhome |- | 17N || John Deere incomplete vehicle (RV chassis) |- | 19U || Acura car made by Honda of America Mfg. in Ohio |- | 19V || Acura car made by Honda Manufacturing of Indiana |- | 19X || Honda car made by Honda Manufacturing of Indiana |- | 2A3 || Imperial |- | 2A4 2A8 || Chrysler brand MPV/SUV 2006–2011 only |- | 2AY 2AZ || Hino |- | 2BC || Jeep Wrangler (YJ) 1987–1988 (using AMC-style VIN structure) |- | 2BP || Ski-Doo |- | 2BV || Can-Am & Bombardier ATV |- | 2BW || Can-Am Commander E LSV |- | 2BX || Can-Am Spyder |- | 2BZ || Can-Am Freedom Trailer for Can-Am Spyder |- | 2B1 || Orion Bus Industries |- | 2B3 || Dodge car 1981–2011 |- | 2B4 || Dodge MPV 1981–2002 |- | 2B5 || Dodge "bus" (van with more than 3 rows of seats) 1981–2002 |- | 2B6 || Dodge incomplete vehicle 1981–2002 |- | 2B7 || Dodge truck 1981–2002 |- | 2B9/001 || BWS Manufacturing (truck trailer) |- | 2C1 || Geo/Chevrolet car made by CAMI Automotive |- | 2C3 || Chrysler brand car 1981–2011 |- | 2C3 || Chrysler Group (all brands) car (including Lancia) 2012- |- | 2C4 || Chrysler brand MPV/SUV 2000–2005 |- | 2C4 || Chrysler Group (all brands) MPV (including Lancia Voyager & Volkswagen Routan) 2012- |- | 2C7 || Pontiac car made by CAMI Automotive only sold by GM Canada |- | 2C8 || Chrysler brand MPV/SUV 2001–2005 |- | 2C9/145 || Campagna Motors |- | 2C9/197 || Canadian Electric Vehicles |- | 2CC || American Motors Corporation MPV |- | 2CG || Asüna/Pontiac SUV made by CAMI Automotive only sold by GM Canada |- | 2CK || GMC Tracker SUV made by CAMI Automotive only sold by GM Canada 1990–1991 only |- | 2CK || Pontiac Torrent SUV made by CAMI Automotive 2006–2009 only |- | 2CM || American Motors Corporation car |- | 2CN || Geo/Chevrolet SUV made by CAMI Automotive 1990–2011 only |- | 2CT || GMC Terrain SUV made by CAMI Automotive 2010–2011 only |- | 2D4 || Dodge MPV 2003–2011 only |- | 2D6 || Dodge incomplete vehicle 2003 |- | 2D7 || Dodge truck 2003 |- | 2D8 || Dodge MPV 2003–2011 only |- | 2DG || Ontario Drive & Gear |- | 2DM || Di-Mond Trailers (truck trailer) |- | 2DN || Dynasty Electric Car Corporation |- | 2EZ || Electra Meccanica Vehicles Corp. (Solo) |- | 2E3 || Eagle car 1989–1997 (using Chrysler-style VIN structure) |- | 2E4 || 2011 Lancia MPV (Voyager) |- | 2E9/080 || Electra Meccanica Vehicles Corp. (Solo) |- | 2FA || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Ford]] car |- | 2FH || Zenn Motor Co., Ltd. (low-speed vehicle) |- | 2FM || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Ford]] MPV/SUV |- | 2FT || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Ford]] truck |- | 2FU || Freightliner (truck) |- | 2FV || Freightliner (incomplete vehicle) |- | 2FW || Sterling Trucks (truck-complete vehicle) |- | 2FY || New Flyer |- | 2FZ || Sterling Trucks (incomplete vehicle) |- | 2Gx || [[../GM/VIN Codes|General Motors]] Canada |- | 2G0 || GMC "bus" (van with more than 3 rows of seats) 1981–1986 |- | 2G1 || [[../GM/VIN Codes|Chevrolet]] car |- | 2G2 || [[../GM/VIN Codes|Pontiac]] car |- | 2G3 || [[../GM/VIN Codes|Oldsmobile]] car |- | 2G4 || [[../GM/VIN Codes|Buick]] car |- | 2G5 || GMC MPV 1981–1986 |- | 2G5 || Chevrolet BrightDrop / BrightDrop Zevo truck 2023- |- | 2G6 || [[../GM/VIN Codes|Cadillac]] car |- | 2G7 || Pontiac car only sold by GM Canada |- | 2G8 || Chevrolet MPV 1981–1986 |- | 2GA || Chevrolet "bus" (van with more than 3 rows of seats) |- | 2GB || Chevrolet incomplete vehicles |- | 2GC || Chevrolet truck |- | 2GD || GMC incomplete vehicles |- | 2GE || Cadillac incomplete vehicle |- | 2GH || GMC GM New Look bus & GM Classic series bus |- | 2GJ || GMC "bus" (van with more than 3 rows of seats) 1987– |- | 2GK || GMC MPV/SUV 1987– |- | 2GN || Chevrolet MPV/SUV 1987- |- | 2GT || GMC truck |- | 2HG || [[../Honda/VIN Codes|Honda]] car made by Honda of Canada Manufacturing |- | 2HH || Acura car made by Honda of Canada Manufacturing |- | 2HJ || [[../Honda/VIN Codes|Honda]] truck made by Honda of Canada Manufacturing |- | 2HK || [[../Honda/VIN Codes|Honda]] MPV/SUV made by Honda of Canada Manufacturing |- | 2HM || Hyundai Canada |- | 2HN || Acura SUV made by Honda of Canada Manufacturing |- | 2HP || International Trucks (complete vehicle - straight truck) |- | 2HS || International Trucks (complete vehicle - truck tractor) |- | 2HT || International Trucks (incomplete vehicle - straight truck) |- | 2HV || International or IC Bus (incomplete vehicle - bus) |- | 2J4 || Jeep Wrangler (YJ) 1989–1992 (using Chrysler-style VIN structure) |- | 2L1 || Lincoln incomplete vehicle – limo |- | 2LD || Triple E Canada Ltd. |- | 2LJ || Lincoln incomplete vehicle – hearse |- | 2LM || Lincoln SUV |- | 2LN || Lincoln car |- | 2M1 || Mack Trucks Canada (truck) |- | 2M2 || Mack Trucks Canada (incomplete vehicle) |- | 2M3 || Mack Truck Canada (glider) |- | 2ME || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Mercury]] car |- | 2MG || Motor Coach Industries (Produced from Sept. 1, 2008 on) |- | 2MH || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Mercury]] incomplete vehicle |- | 2MR || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Mercury]] MPV |- | 2M9/044 || Westward Industries |- | 2M9/058 || Motor Coach Industries |- | 2NK || Kenworth incomplete vehicle |- | 2NP || Peterbilt incomplete vehicle |- | 2NV || Nova Bus |- | 2P3 || Plymouth car |- | 2P4 || Plymouth MPV 1981–2000 |- | 2P5 || Plymouth "bus" (van with more than 3 rows of seats) 1981–1983 |- | 2P9/001 || Prevost 1981–1995 |- | 2PC || Prevost 1996- |- | 2S2 || Suzuki car made by CAMI Automotive |- | 2S3 || Suzuki SUV made by CAMI Automotive |- | 2TU || Tri-Star Industries Limited |- | 2T1 || [[../Toyota/VIN Codes|Toyota]] car made by TMMC |- | 2T2 || Lexus SUV made by TMMC |- | 2T3 || [[../Toyota/VIN Codes|Toyota]] SUV made by TMMC |- | 2T9/206 || Triple E Canada Ltd. |- | 2V4 || Volkswagen Routan made by Chrysler Canada |- | 2V8 || Volkswagen Routan made by Chrysler Canada |- | 2W9/044 || Westward Industries |- | 2WK || Western Star (truck) |- | 2WL || Western Star (incomplete vehicle) |- | 2WM || Western Star (glider) |- | 2XK || Kenworth (truck) |- | 2XM || Eagle Premier 1988 only (using AMC-style VIN structure) |- | 2XP || Peterbilt (truck) |- | 3A4 3A8 || Chrysler brand MPV 2006–2010 only |- | 3A9/050 || MARGO (truck trailer) |- | 3AK || Freightliner Trucks (truck) |- | 3AL || Freightliner Trucks (incomplete vehicle) |- | 3AW || Fruehauf de Mexico (truck trailer) |- | 3AX || Scania Mexico |- | 3BE || Scania Mexico (buses) |- | 3BH || Western Star 3700 (truck) made by DINA S.A. |- | 3BH || Western Star (truck) |- | 3BJ || Western Star 3700 (incomplete vehicle) made by DINA S.A. |- | 3BJ || Western Star (incomplete vehicle) |- | 3BK || Kenworth (incomplete vehicle) |- | 3BM || Motor Coach Industries bus made by DINA S.A. |- | 3BP || Peterbilt (incomplete vehicle) |- | 3B3 || Dodge car 1981–2011 |- | 3B4 || Dodge SUV 1986–1993 |- | 3B6 || Dodge incomplete vehicle 1981–2002 |- | 3B7 || Dodge truck 1981–2002 |- | 3C3 || Chrysler brand car 1981–2011 |- | 3C3 || Chrysler Group (all brands) car (including Fiat) 2012- |- | 3C4 || Chrysler brand MPV 2001–2005 |- | 3C4 || Chrysler Group (all brands) MPV (including Fiat) 2012- |- | 3C6 || Chrysler Group (all brands) truck 2012– |- | 3C7 || Chrysler Group (all brands) incomplete vehicle 2012– |- | 3C8 || Chrysler brand MPV 2001–2005 |- | 3CA || Chrysler brand MPV 2001 (PT Cruiser w/serial# 232057-265662) |- | 3CE || Volvo Buses de Mexico |- | 3CG || KTMMEX S.A. de C.V. |- | 3CZ || Honda SUV made by Honda de Mexico |- | 3D2 || Dodge incomplete vehicle 2007–2009 |- | 3D3 || Dodge truck 2006–2009 |- | 3D4 || Dodge SUV 2009–2011 |- | 3D6 || Dodge incomplete vehicle 2003–2011 |- | 3D7 || Dodge truck 2002–2011 |- | 3EL || ATRO (truck trailer) |- | 3E4 || 2011 Fiat SUV (Freemont) |- | 3FA || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Ford]] car |- | 3FC || Ford stripped chassis made by Ford & IMMSA |- | 3FE || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Ford]] Mexico |- | 3FM || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Ford]] MPV/SUV |- | 3FN || Ford F-650/F-750 made by Blue Diamond Truck Co. (truck) |- | 3FR || Ford F-650/F-750 & Ford LCF made by Blue Diamond Truck Co. (incomplete vehicle) |- | 3FT || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Ford]] truck |- | 3F6 || Sterling Bullet |- | 3G || [[../GM/VIN Codes|General Motors]] Mexico |- | 3G0 || Saab 9-4X 2011 |- | 3G0 || Holden Equinox 2018–2020 |- | 3G1 || [[../GM/VIN Codes|Chevrolet]] car |- | 3G2 || [[../GM/VIN Codes|Pontiac]] car |- | 3G4 || [[../GM/VIN Codes|Buick]] car |- | 3G5 || [[../GM/VIN Codes|Buick]] SUV |- | 3G7 || [[../GM/VIN Codes|Pontiac]] SUV |- | 3GA || JAC models assembled by Giant Motors in Mexico |- | 3GC || Chevrolet truck |- | 3GK || GMC SUV |- | 3GM || Holden Suburban |- | 3GN || Chevrolet SUV |- | 3GP || Honda Prologue EV made by GM |- | 3GS || Saturn SUV |- | 3GT || GMC truck |- | 3GY || Cadillac SUV |- | 3H1 || Honda motorcycle/UTV |- | 3H3 || Hyundai de Mexico, S.A. de C.V. for Hyundai Translead (truck trailers) |- | 3HA || International Trucks (incomplete vehicle - straight truck) made by Blue Diamond Truck Co. 2011-2015 |- | 3HA || International Trucks (incomplete vehicle - straight truck) made by Navistar Mexico/International Motors Mexico 2016- |- | 3HC || International Trucks (complete vehicle - truck tractor) made by Blue Diamond Truck Co. 2011-2015 |- | 3HC || International Trucks (complete vehicle - truck tractor) made by Navistar Mexico/International Motors Mexico 2016- |- | 3HD || Acura SUV made by Honda de Mexico |- | 3HG || [[../Honda/VIN Codes|Honda]] car made by Honda de Mexico |- | 3HR || International Trucks (complete vehicle - truck) |- | 3HS || International Trucks & Caterpillar Trucks (complete vehicle - truck tractor) |- | 3HT || International Trucks & Caterpillar Trucks (incomplete vehicle - straight truck) |- | 3HV || International (incomplete vehicle - bus) |- | 3JB || BRP Mexico (Can-Am ATV/UTV & Can-Am Ryker) |- | 3KM || Kia/Hyundai MPV/SUV made by KMMX |- | 3KP || Kia/Hyundai car made by KMMX |- | 3LN || Lincoln car |- | 3MA || Mercury car (1988-1995) |- | 3MD || Mazda de Mexico car (Mazda 2) |- | 3ME || Mercury car (1996-2011) |- | 3MF || BMW M car |- | 3MG || Isuzu Motors de Mexico |- | 3MJ || Mazda CX-3 (Mazda de Mexico) |- | 3MV || Mazda de Mexico SUV (Mazda CX-30) |- | 3MW || BMW car |- | 3MY || Toyota car made by Mazda de Mexico Vehicle Operation |- | 3MZ || Mazda de Mexico car (Mazda 3) |- | 3N1 || Nissan Mexico car |- | 3N6 || Nissan Mexico truck & Chevrolet City Express |- | 3N8 || Nissan Mexico MPV |- | 3NS || Polaris Industries ATV |- | 3NE || Polaris Industries UTV |- | 3P3 || Plymouth car |- | 3PC || Infiniti SUV made by COMPAS |- | 3TM || Toyota truck made by TMMBC |- | 3TY || Toyota truck made by TMMGT |- | 3VV || Volkswagen Mexico SUV |- | 3VW || Volkswagen Mexico car |- | 3WK || Kenworth truck |- | 3WP || Peterbilt truck |- | 3X1 || Mack Truck Mexico (truck) |- | 3X2 || Mack Truck Mexico (incomplete vehicle) |- | 4A3 || Mitsubishi Motors car |- | 4A4 || Mitsubishi Motors SUV |- | 4B3 || Dodge car made by Diamond-Star Motors factory |- | 4B9/038 || BYD Coach & Bus LLC |- | 4C3 || Chrysler car made by Diamond-Star Motors factory |- | 4C6 || Reinke Manufacturing Company (truck trailer) |- | 4C9/272 || Christini Technologies (motorcycle) |- | 4C9/561 || Czinger |- | 4C9/626 || Canoo Inc. |- | 4CD || Oshkosh Chassis Division incomplete vehicle (RV chassis) |- | 4DR || IC Bus (complete vehicle - bus) |- | 4E3 || Eagle car made by Diamond-Star Motors factory |- | 4EN || E-ONE, Inc. (fire engines - truck) |- | 4EZ || KZ Recreational Vehicles (trailer) |- | 4F2 || Mazda SUV made by Ford |- | 4F4 || Mazda truck made by Ford |- | 4G1 || Chevrolet Cavalier convertible made by Genasys L.C. – a GM/ASC joint venture |- | 4G2 || Pontiac Sunfire convertible made by Genasys L.C. – a GM/ASC joint venture |- | 4G3 || Toyota Cavalier made by GM |- | 4G5 || General Motors EV1 |- | 4GD || WhiteGMC Brigadier 1988–1989 made by GM |- | 4GD || Opel/Vauxhall Sintra |- | 4GL || Buick incomplete vehicle |- | 4GT || Isuzu incomplete vehicle built by GM |- | 4JG || [[../Mercedes-Benz/VIN Codes|Mercedes-Benz]] SUV |- | 4J8 || LBT, Inc. (truck trailer) |- | 4KA || IC Bus (complete vehicle - truck) |- | 4KB || Chevrolet W-Series incomplete vehicle (gas engine only) made by GM |- | 4KD || GMC W-Series incomplete vehicle (gas engine only) made by GM |- | 4KL || Isuzu N-Series incomplete vehicle (gas engine only) built by GM |- | 4LM || Capacity Trucks (truck) [terminal tractors] |- | 4M2 || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Mercury]] MPV/SUV |- | 4ML || Oshkosh Trailer Division |- | 4MZ || Buell Motorcycle Company |- | 4N2 || Nissan Quest made by Ford |- | 4NU || Isuzu Ascender made by GM |- | 4P1 || Pierce Manufacturing Inc. USA |- | 4P3 || Plymouth car made by Diamond-Star Motors factory 1990–1994 |- | 4P3 || Mitsubishi Motors SUV made by Mitsubishi Motor Manufacturing of America 2013–2015 for export only |- | 4RK || Nova Bus & Prevost made by Nova Bus (US) Inc. |- | 4S1 || Isuzu truck made by Subaru Isuzu Automotive |- | 4S2 || Isuzu SUV made by Subaru Isuzu Automotive & 2nd gen. Holden Frontera made by SIA |- | 4S3 || [[../Subaru/VIN Codes|Subaru]] car |- | 4S4 || [[../Subaru/VIN Codes|Subaru]] SUV/MPV |- | 4S6 || Honda SUV made by Subaru Isuzu Automotive |- | 4S7 || Spartan Motors incomplete vehicle |- | 4S9/197 || Smith Electric Vehicles |- | 4S9/345 || Satellite Suites (trailer) |- | 4S9/419 || Spartan Motors truck |- | 4S9/454 || Scuderia Cameron Glickenhaus passenger car |- | 4S9/520 || Signature Autosport, LLC (Osprey Custom Cars) |- | 4S9/542 || Scuderia Cameron Glickenhaus SCG Boot (M.P.V.) |- | 4S9/544 || Scuderia Cameron Glickenhaus passenger car |- | 4S9/559 || Spartan Fire, LLC truck (formerly Spartan ER) |- | 4S9/560 || Spartan Fire, LLC incomplete vehicle (formerly Spartan ER) |- | 4S9/569 || SC Autosports, LLC (Kandi) |- | 4TA || [[../Toyota/VIN Codes|Toyota]] truck made by NUMMI |- | 4T1 || [[../Toyota/VIN Codes|Toyota]] car made by Toyota Motor Manufacturing Kentucky |- | 4T3 || [[../Toyota/VIN Codes|Toyota]] MPV/SUV made by Toyota Motor Manufacturing Kentucky |- | 4T4 || [[../Toyota/VIN Codes|Toyota]] car made by Subaru of Indiana Automotive |- | 4T9/208 || Xos, Inc. |- | 4T9/228 || Lumen Motors |- | 4UF || Arctic Cat Inc. |- | 4US || BMW car |- | 4UZ || Freightliner Custom Chassis Corporation & <br /> gas-powered Mitsubishi Fuso trucks assembled by Freightliner Custom Chassis & <br /> Thomas Built Buses FS-65 & Saf-T-Liner C2 |- | 4V0 || Crossroads RV (recreational vehicles) |- | 4V1 || WhiteGMC (truck) 1988-1995 |- | 4V2 || WhiteGMC (incomplete vehicle) 1988-1995 |- | 4V3 || WhiteGMC (glider) 1988-1995 |- | 4V1 || Volvo Trucks North America [low cab-over engine] (truck) 2000-2003 |- | 4V2 || Volvo Trucks North America [low cab-over engine] (incomplete vehicle) 2000-2003 |- | 4V4 || Volvo Trucks North America [conventional] (truck) 1996+ |- | 4V5 || Volvo Trucks North America [conventional] (incomplete vehicle) 1996+ |- | 4V6 || Volvo Trucks North America (glider) |- | 4VA || Volvo Trucks North America [conventional- Class 7 w/air brakes] (truck) 1997-1999 |- | 4VB || Volvo Trucks North America [conventional- Class 7 w/air brakes] (incomplete vehicle) 1997-1999 |- | 4VC || Volvo Trucks North America [conventional- Class 7 w/hydraulic brakes] (incomplete vehicle) |- | 4VD || Volvo Trucks North America [low cab-over engine- Class 7 w/air brakes] (truck) |- | 4VE || Volvo Trucks North America [low cab-over engine- Class 7 w/air brakes] (incomplete vehicle) |- | 4VG || Volvo Trucks North America [conventional- Class 8 w/air brakes] (truck) 1997-1999 |- | 4VH || Volvo Trucks North America [conventional- Class 8 w/air brakes] (incomplete vehicle) 1997-1999 |- | 4VJ || Volvo Trucks North America [high cab-over engine- Class 8 w/air brakes] (truck) |- | 4VK || Volvo Trucks North America [high cab-over engine- Class 8 w/air brakes] (incomplete vehicle) |- | 4VL || Volvo Trucks North America [low cab-over engine- Class 8 w/air brakes] (truck) |- | 4VM || Volvo Trucks North America [low cab-over engine- Class 8 w/air brakes] (incomplete vehicle) |- | 4VZ || Spartan Motors/The Shyft Group (incomplete vehicle – bare chassis only) |- | 4WW || Wilson Trailer Sales |- | 4W1 || '24+ Chevrolet Suburban HD made by GM Defense for US govt. in Concord, NC |- | 4W5 || Acura ZDX EV made by GM |- | 4XA || Polaris Inc. |- | 4X4 || Forest River |- | 4YD || KeyStone RV Company (recreational vehicle) |- | 4YM || Carry-On Trailer, Inc. |- | 4YM || Anderson Manufacturing (trailer) |- | 4Z3 || American LaFrance truck |- | 43C || Consulier |- | 44K || HME Inc. (fire engines - incomplete vehicle) (HME=Hendrickson Mobile Equipment) |- | 46G || Gillig incomplete vehicle |- | 46J || Federal Motors Inc |- | 478 || Honda ATV |- | 480 || Sterling Trucks (truck) |- | 49H || Sterling Trucks (incomplete vehicle) |- | 5AS || Global Electric Motorcars (GEM) 1999-2011 |- | 5AX || Armor Chassis (truck trailer) |- | 5A4 || Load Rite Trailers Inc. |- | 5BP || Solectria |- | 5BZ || Nissan "bus" (van with more than 3 rows of seats) |- | 5B4 || Workhorse Custom Chassis, LLC incomplete vehicle (RV chassis) |- | 5CD || Indian Motorcycle Company of America (Gilroy, CA) |- | 5CJ || Western Star Trucks (incomplete vehicle) |- | 5CK || Western Star Trucks (truck) |- | 5CX || Shelby Series 1 |- | 5DF || Thomas Dennis Company LLC |- | 5DG || Terex Advance Mixer |- | 5EH || Excelsior-Henderson Motorcycle |- | 5EO || Cottrell (truck trailer) |- | 5FC || Columbia Vehicle Group (Columbia, Tomberlin) (low-speed vehicles) |- | 5FN || Honda MPV/SUV made by Honda Manufacturing of Alabama |- | 5FP || Honda truck made by Honda Manufacturing of Alabama |- | 5FR || Acura SUV made by Honda Manufacturing of Alabama |- | 5FT || Feeling Trailers |- | 5FY || New Flyer |- | 5GA || Buick MPV/SUV |- | 5GD || Daewoo G2X |- | 5GN || Hummer H3T |- | 5GR || Hummer H2 |- | 5GT || Hummer H3 |- | 5GZ || Saturn MPV/SUV |- | 5G8 || Holden Volt |- | 5HD || Harley-Davidson for export markets |- | 5HT || Heil Trailer (truck trailer) |- | 5J5 || Club Car |- | 5J6 || Honda SUV made by Honda of America Mfg. in Ohio |- | 5J8 || Acura SUV made by Honda of America Mfg. in Ohio |- | 5KB || Honda car made by Honda Manufacturing of Alabama |- | 5KJ || Western Star Trucks (truck) |- | 5KK || Western Star Trucks (incomplete vehicle) |- | 5KM || Vento Motorcycles |- | 5KT || Karavan Trailers |- | 5L1 || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Lincoln]] SUV - Limousine (2004–2009) |- | 5L5 || American IronHorse Motorcycle |- | 5LD || Ford & Lincoln incomplete vehicle – limousine (2010–2014) |- | 5LM || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Lincoln]] SUV |- | 5LT || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Lincoln]] truck |- | 5MZ || Buell Motorcycle Company for export markets |- | 5N1 || Nissan & Infiniti SUV |- | 5N3 || Infiniti SUV |- | 5NH || Forest River |- | 5NM || Hyundai SUV made by HMMA |- | 5NP || Hyundai car made by HMMA |- | 5NT || Hyundai truck made by HMMA |- | 5PV || Hino incomplete vehicle made by Hino Motors Manufacturing USA |- | 5RJ || International MXT made by Android Industries - Springfield LLC |- | 5RX || Heartland Recreational Vehicles |- | 5S3 || Saab 9-7X |- | 5SA || Suzuki Manufacturing of America Corp. (ATV) |- | 5SX || American LaFrance incomplete vehicle (Condor) |- | 5TB || [[../Toyota/VIN Codes|Toyota]] truck made by TMMI |- | 5TD || Toyota MPV/SUV & Lexus TX made by TMMI |- | 5TE || Toyota truck made by NUMMI |- | 5TF || Toyota truck made by TMMTX |- | 5TU || Construction Trailer Specialist (truck trailer) |- | 5UM || BMW M car |- | 5UX || BMW SUV |- | 5VC || Autocar incomplete vehicle |- | 5VF || American Electric Vehicle Company (low-speed vehicle) |- | 5VK || Great Northern Trailer Works (truck trailer) |- | 5VP || Victory Motorcycles |- | 5V4 || Autocar truck |- | 5V8 || Vanguard National (truck trailer) |- | 5WE || IC Bus (incomplete vehicle - bus or truck) |- | 5XX || Kia car made by KMMG |- | 5XY || Kia/Hyundai SUV made by KMMG |- | 5YA || Indian Motorcycle Company (Kings Mountain, NC) |- | 5YF || Toyota car made by TMMMS |- | 5YJ || Tesla, Inc. passenger car (only used for US-built Model S and Model 3 starting from Nov, 1st 2021) |- | 5YM || BMW M SUV |- | 5YN || Cruise Car, Inc. |- | 5Y2 || Pontiac Vibe made by NUMMI |- | 5Y4 || Yamaha Motor Motor Mfg. Corp. of America (ATV, UTV) |- | 5ZT || Forest River (recreational vehicles) |- | 5ZU || Greenkraft (truck) |- | 5Z6 || Suzuki Equator (truck) made by Nissan |- | 50E || Lucid Motors passenger car |- | 50G || Karma Automotive |- | 516 || Autocar truck |- | 51R || Brammo Motorcycles |- | 522 || GreenGo Tek (low-speed vehicle) |- | 523 || VPG (The Vehicle Production Group) |- | 52C || GEM subsidiary of Polaris Inc. |- | 537 || Azure Dynamics Transit Connect Electric |- | 538 || Zero Motorcycles |- | 53G || Coda Automotive |- | 53T || Think North America in Elkhart, IN |- | 546 || EBR Motorcycles |- | 54C || Winnebago Industries travel trailer |- | 54D || Isuzu & Chevrolet commercial trucks built by Spartan Motors/The Shyft Group |- | 54F || Rosenbauer Motors (incomplete vehicle) |- | 55S || Mercedes-Benz car |- | 56K || Indian Motorcycle International, LLC (Polaris subsidiary) |- | 573 || Grand Design RV (truck trailer) |- | 57C || Maurer Manufacturing (truck trailer) |- | 57R || Oreion Motors |- | 57S || Lightning Motors Corp. (electric motorcycles) |- | 57W || Mobility Ventures |- | 57X || Polaris Slingshot |- | 58A || Lexus car made by TMMK (Lexus ES) |- | 6AB || MAN Australia |- | 6AM || Jayco Corp. (RVs) |- | 6F1 || Ford |- | 6F2 || Iveco Trucks Australia Ltd. |- | 6F4 || Nissan Motor Company Australia |- | 6F5 || Kenworth Australia |- | 6FM || Mack Trucks Australia |- | 6FP || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Ford]] Australia |- | 6G1 || [[../GM/VIN Codes|General Motors]]-Holden (post Nov 2002) & Chevrolet & Vauxhall Monaro & VXR8 |- | 6G2 || [[../GM/VIN Codes|Pontiac]] Australia (GTO & G8) |- | 6G3 || [[../GM/VIN Codes|General Motors]] Chevrolet Caprice PPV & SS performance sedan 2014-2017 |- | 6H8 || [[../GM/VIN Codes|General Motors]]-Holden (pre Nov 2002) |- | 6KT || BCI Bus |- | 6MM || Mitsubishi Motors Australia |- | 6MP || Mercury Capri 1991-1994 |- | 6T1 || [[../Toyota/VIN Codes|Toyota]] Motor Corporation Australia |- | 6T9 || Privately Imported car (VIN issued by Victoria) or Trailer in Australia |- | 6U9 || Privately Imported car in Australia |- | 6Y9/043 || Intertruck Distributors (NZ) Ltd. - International Trucks New Zealand |- | 6ZZ || Privately Imported car in Australia |- | 7AB || MAN New Zealand |- | 7AT || VIN assigned by the New Zealand Transport Authority Waka Kotahi from 29 November 2009 |- | 7A1 || Mitsubishi New Zealand |- | 7A3 || Honda New Zealand |- | 7A4 || Toyota New Zealand |- | 7A5 || Ford New Zealand |- | 7A7 || Nissan New Zealand |- | 7A8 || VIN assigned by the New Zealand Transport Authority Waka Kotahi before 29 November 2009 |- | 7B2 || Nissan Diesel bus New Zealand |- | 7FA || Honda SUV made by Honda Manufacturing of Indiana |- | 7FC || Rivian truck |- | 7F7 || Arcimoto, Inc. |- | 7GZ || GMC incomplete vehicles (Savana cutaway) made by Navistar International/International Motors |- | 7G0 || Faraday Future |- | 7G2 || Tesla, Inc. truck (used for Nevada-built Semi Trucks & Texas-built Cybertruck) |- | 7H4 || Hino truck |- | 7H8 || Cenntro Electric Group Limited low-speed vehicle |- | 7JD || Volvo Cars SUV |- | 7JR || Volvo Cars passenger car |- | 7JZ || Proterra From mid-2019 on |- | 7KG || Vanderhall Motor Works |- | 7KY || Dorsey (truck trailer) |- | 7MM || Mazda SUV made by MTMUS (Mazda-Toyota Joint Venture) |- | 7MU || Toyota SUV made by MTMUS (Mazda-Toyota Joint Venture) |- | 7MW || Cenntro Electric Group Limited truck |- | 7MZ || HDK electric vehicles |- | 7NA || Navistar Defense/ND Defense |- | 7NY || Lordstown Motors |- | 7PD || Rivian SUV |- | 7RZ || Electric Last Mile Solutions |- | 7SA || Tesla, Inc. (US-built MPVs (e.g. Model X, Model Y)) |- | 7SU || Blue Arc electric trucks made by The Shyft Group |- | 7SV || [[../Toyota/VIN Codes|Toyota]] SUV made by TMMTX |- | 7SX || Global Electric Motorcars (WAEV) 2022- |- | 7SY || Polestar SUV |- | 7TN || Canoo |- | 7UU || Lucid Motors MPV/SUV |- | 7UZ || Kaufman Trailers (trailer) |- | 7VV || Ree Automotive |- | 7WA || Scout Motors (MPV) |- | 7WE || Bollinger Motors incomplete vehicle |- | 7YA || Hyundai MPV/SUV made by HMGMA |- | 7Z0 || Zoox |- | 722 || Isuzu North America Corp. (incomplete vehicle - medium duty) |- | 8AB || Mercedes Benz truck & bus (Argentina) |- | 8AC || Mercedes Benz vans (for South America) |- | 8AD || Peugeot Argentina |- | 8AE || Peugeot van |- | 8AF || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Ford]] Argentina |- | 8AG || [[../GM/VIN Codes|Chevrolet]] Argentina |- | 8AJ || [[../Toyota/VIN Codes|Toyota]] Argentina |- | 8AK || Suzuki Argentina |- | 8AN || Nissan Argentina |- | 8AP || Fiat Argentina |- | 8AT || Iveco Argentina |- | 8AW || Volkswagen Argentina |- | 8A1 || Renault Argentina |- | 8A3 || Scania Argentina |- | 8BB || Agrale Argentina S.A. |- | 8BC || Citroën Argentina |- | 8BN || Mercedes-Benz incomplete vehicle (North America) |- | 8BR || Mercedes-Benz "bus" (van with more than 3 rows of seats) (North America) |- | 8BT || Mercedes-Benz MPV (van with 2 or 3 rows of seats) (North America) |- | 8BU || Mercedes-Benz truck (cargo van with 1 row of seats) (North America) |- | 8CH || Honda motorcycle |- | 8C3 || Honda car/SUV |- | 8G1 || Automotores Franco Chilena S.A. Renault |- | 8GD || Automotores Franco Chilena S.A. Peugeot |- | 8GG || [[../GM/VIN Codes|Chevrolet]] Chile |- | 8LD || General Motors OBB - Chevrolet Ecuador |- | 8LF || Maresa (Mazda) |- | 8LG || Aymesa (Hyundai Motor & Kia) |- | 8L4 || Great Wall Motors made by Ciudad del Auto (Ciauto) |- | 8XD || Ford Motor Venezuela |- | 8XJ || Mack de Venezuela C.A. |- | 8XV || Iveco Venezuela C.A. |- | 8Z1 || General Motors Venezolana C.A. |- | 829 || Industrias Quantum Motors S.A. (Bolivia) |- | 9BD || Fiat Brazil & Dodge, Ram made by Fiat Brasil |- | 9BF || [[../Ford/VIN Codes|Ford]] Brazil |- | 9BG || [[../GM/VIN Codes|Chevrolet]] Brazil |- | 9BH || Hyundai Motor Brasil |- | 9BM || Mercedes-Benz Brazil car, SUV, commercial truck & bus |- | 9BN || Mafersa |- | 9BR || [[../Toyota/VIN Codes|Toyota]] Brazil |- | 9BS || Scania Brazil |- | 9BU ||Gurgel Motores S.A. (defunct Brazilian automaker) |- | 9BV || Volvo Trucks Brazil |- | 9BW || Volkswagen Brazil |- | 9BY || Agrale S.A. |- | 9C2 || Moto Honda Da Amazonia Ltda. |- | 9C6 || Yamaha Motor Da Amazonia Ltda. |- | 9CD || Suzuki (motorcycles) assembled by J. Toledo Motos do Brasil |- | 9DF || Puma |- | 9DW || Kenworth & Peterbilt trucks [incomplete vehicle] made by Volkswagen do Brasil |- | 9EZ || homemade or handbuilt vehicles |- | 92H || Origem Brazil |- | 932 || Harley-Davidson Brazil |- | 935 || Citroën Brazil |- | 936 || Peugeot Brazil |- | 937 || Dodge Dakota |- | 93C || Chevrolet SUV [Tracker] or pickup [Tornado, Montana, S10] (sold in Mexico, made in Brazil) |- | 93H || [[../Honda/VIN Codes|Honda]] Brazil car/SUV |- | 93K || Volvo Trucks Brazil |- | 93P || Volare |- | 93S || Navistar International |- | 93R || [[../Toyota/VIN Codes|Toyota]] Brazil |- | 93U || Audi Brazil 1999–2006 |- | 93W || Fiat Ducato made by Iveco 2000–2016 |- | 93V || Navistar International |- | 93X || Souza Ramos – Mitsubishi Motors / Suzuki Jimny |- | 93Y || Renault Brazil |- | 93Z || Iveco |- | 94D || Nissan Brazil |- | 94N || RWM Brazil |- | 94T || Troller Veículos Especiais |- | 95P || CAOA Hyundai & CAOA Chery |- | 95V || Dafra Motos (motorscooters from SYM) & Ducati, KTM, & MV Agusta assembled by Dafra |- | 95V || BMW motorcycles assembled by Dafra Motos 2009–2016 |- | 95Z || Buell Motorcycle Company assembled by Harley-Davidson Brazil |- | 953 || VW Truck & Bus / MAN Truck & Bus |- | 96P || Kawasaki |- | 97N || Triumph Motorcycles Ltd. |- | 988 || Jeep, Ram [Rampage], and Fiat [Toro] (made at the Goiana plant) |- | 98M || BMW car/SUV |- | 98P || DAF Trucks |- | 98R || Chery |- | 99A || Audi 2016- |- | 99H || Shineray |- | 99J || Jaguar Land Rover |- | 99K || Haojue & Kymco assembled by JTZ Indústria e Comércio de Motos |- | 99L || BYD |- | 99Z || BMW Motorrad (Motorcycle assembled by BMW 2017-) |- | 9FB || Renault Colombia (Sofasa) |- | 9FC || Compañía Colombiana Automotriz S.A. (Mazda) |- | 9GA || [[../GM/VIN Codes|Chevrolet]] Colombia (GM Colmotores S.A.) |- | 9UJ || Chery assembled by Chery Socma S.A. (Uruguay) |- | 9UK || Lifan (Uruguay) |- | 9UT || Dongfeng trucks made by Nordex S.A. |- | 9UW || Kia made by Nordex S.A. |- | 9VC || Fiat made by Nordex S.A. (Scudo, 2025 Titano) |- | 9V7 || Citroen made by Nordex S.A. (Jumpy) |- | 9V8 || Peugeot made by Nordex S.A. (Expert) |} ==References== {{reflist}} {{BookCat}} 5h3qcrvbd6h08fzpuykkwzu6kw1vwt8 3 142457 4654257 1068148 2026-07-12T18:34:03Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654257 wikitext text/x-wiki <[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 8|older]] [[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 10|newer]]> {{Talkarchive}} {{-}} == You're [[Wikibooks:Requests_for_adminship#Nominations_for_CheckUser_rights|nominated]] == I hope that's OK... we started to talk about it on IRC but then got distracted. You really should have this tool. --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 00:15, 3 December 2007 (UTC) == Game Maker book== Hey Mike the artical is legitimate, it just isn't very big, will add to it in weekend, but no time now, busy times 'round x-mas. Also to reply can you send to my talk, so that it shows up without me having to add this page to my watchlist.[[User:Beaver|Beaver]] 05:03, 3 December 2007 (UTC) :[[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] '''Template removed''' '''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 05:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC) == Links only page == Hi Mike, Just to let you know that I have finished deleting the "links only pages" associated with [[Microsoft_Certified_Technology_Specialist/Exam_70-536|Exam 70-536]], the "candidates for speedy deletions" page will be more quiet in the upcoming days :-) Regards --[[User:Jacques Bergeron|Jacques]] 21:02, 3 December 2007 (UTC) :Thanks! It's good to get those cleared out though. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:26, 3 December 2007 (UTC) == copyvio notice? == Mike, [[User talk:Claurel]] mentioned to me that he'd received a copyvio notice with your signature for a page he'd recently created. Just so you know, we're in the process of migrating a [http://www.h-schmidt.net/celestia/ Celestia documentation Web page] originally written by Harald Schmidt into the [[Celestia]] Wikibook. This is being done with Harald's permission. He's no longer involved with Celestia and the page is woefully out of date. ...[[User:Selden|Selden]] 22:10, 3 December 2007 (UTC) :Ok, that's fine. Thanks for letting me know. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:26, 3 December 2007 (UTC) == Other evident flaws? == Hi Mike <br> I have finished my first series of interventions on [[Microsoft_Certified_Technology_Specialist/Exam_70-536]] (deleted link only pages, shorten paragraph header, added short introduction, etc.) Two questions from here: *Could you take a look at the module to see if there are any other apparent flaws? *Tell me if a future renaming of the pages would invalidate outside links pointing to them? Thanks in advance --[[User:Jacques Bergeron|Jacques]] 05:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC) :Short reply now; ask again later if you want more detail. :When you move a page (be sure to use the ''move'' tab), a redirect is automatically created at the old location, which points to the new location. If the old location (ie where it is now) has redirects pointing to it, those need to be updated so they point to the new location. Otherwise, you will have a redirect pointing to a redirect pointing to a redirect (and the MediaWiki software won't do both redirects - you'll get stuck). Sequences like that get caught periodically at [[Special:Doubleredirects]], but it's better to avoid them in the first place. :In essence you need to check "what links here" after moving, and fix the double redirects if any exist. For the most part, moving pages is safe (despite the warning that moving pages can be disruptive or whatever it says). Always move the talk page along with the module (there's a checkbox to bring it along automatically, no need to do a separate move) :That turned out to not be very short :P &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 05:56, 5 December 2007 (UTC) ::Answer to second question is very clear, thanks. I unsderstand you're very busy and don't have time for the first one. No problem. --[[User:Jacques Bergeron|Jacques]] 13:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC) ==Moving a book to Strategy Wiki== You suggested I move my book to strategywiki. How do I go about doing so? [[User:Connor.rosen|Connor.rosen]] 05:29, 5 December 2007 (UTC) :[[strategywiki:Main Page|StrategyWiki]] seems to have Special:Import enabled. You'll want to find an administrator at that wiki, and ask them to import the pages. They may have a page where such requests are listed. Once that's done, please come back to Wikibooks, and add {{tlx|delete|transwikied to [[strategywiki:Main Page|StrategyWiki]]}} so we can delete it once the content has been moved. Thanks! &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 06:07, 5 December 2007 (UTC) ==Intuitive template?== The down arrows on the [[Featured_books|featured books]] template don't seem to be intuitive to me. In fact, when I first came across this template in Featured Books I didnt notice them and wondered where the detailed write ups had gone. Consider a new user who has no idea that there might be write ups accessed by the down arrows, they will click on the headings and get the library catalogue. Having got one result they might not then suspect that the down arrows also have a different function. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 10:22, 5 December 2007 (UTC) :He probably considers the template intuitive now, because I changed the behavior so that anywhere within the titlebox (besides the links) can be clicked now to expand/collapse the boxes, and when rolled over the titlebox changes color and shows a tooltip that says "show contents" or "hide contents". --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 16:16, 5 December 2007 (UTC) :I also removed the links, which made the behaviour slightly non-intuitive; the links are no inside the template body, and link to Subject: pages instead. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 04:32, 6 December 2007 (UTC) == ?? == [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Gadgets This] doesn't seem to be on Books but looks interesting from a Commons perspective. Might be useful here too to someone? Cheers --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 11:25, 5 December 2007 (UTC) :I posted a note about this extension already at [[WB:TECH]]. Thanks for the heads-up herby! --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 17:53, 5 December 2007 (UTC) == CompactTOCs (en.wp) == [[W:Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2007 November 27#CompactTOCs merge and rename]] closed in favor of the merge. Thanks for volunteering to help; I honestly haven't run AWB in almost a year, so it would probably be best if someone more currently versed in its behavior fired it up. My immediate take its that replacing CompactTOC2 (the original one) would be the first step, so that CompactTOC8 can take its place, then all the others can be changed to refer to (the new) CompactTOC2. I suppose an admin will need to be involved in that transition, since the original will need to be deleted and TOC8 moved over it. I imagine that the closing admin would do that when asked. — <b><span style="font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span></b> &#91;[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]&#93; <b>‹(-¿-)›</b> 05:12, 6 December 2007 (UTC) == Deletion == Hi, the image which I was warned would be deleted should be deleted because I made a mistake with it and didn't realize it. :[[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] '''{{{1|Done}}}''' &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 12:04, 9 December 2007 (UTC) == copyright heads up == Hey Mike, [[User:‎James Fogal]] posted a lot of stuff (which I just marked) which is direct copyvios, I'd warn him about it but to be honest I'm not sure what template to use, do you know which one is typically used to warn people against this? Hope you're doing well. [[User:Mattb112885|Mattb112885]] <small> ([[User talk:Mattb112885|talk to me]]) </small> 05:35, 9 December 2007 (UTC) :I usually do {{tlxs|nothanks|Page|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>}} for the first, and if there's a bunch more, you can use <nowiki>{{subst:</nowiki>[[User:Mike.lifeguard/Copyvio]]|''type''|<nowiki>sig=~~~~</nowiki>}} where ''type'' = text, image or nothing (to select the language most appropriate; the page shows you the output in each case). I may move that to the template namespace, but you're welcome to use it regardless. Thanks for catching those. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 12:22, 9 December 2007 (UTC) == Import blues == Just an observation: I find import tends to work a lot better between 4 and 6 AM EST, probably due to low server loads that time of day. --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 13:12, 9 December 2007 (UTC) :You're kidding, right? I'm waking up that early to import! :P I don't think it would matter for [[w:Inflation]] anyways; it's massive. I did figure out that it works (a bit) better if you import the top revision, then try the rest. Not sure why though... I wonder what the problem is, and whether if can be fixed easily. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 13:18, 9 December 2007 (UTC) == Huh? == Why have you added a "welcome to wikibooks" thing to me? Thanks but uhm.. I've been here since at least 2006 (cant remember when I started) so it seems a bit late? Just giving you feedback. Hmm. Cheers! [[User:Nesnad|Nesnad]] ([[User talk:Nesnad|talk]]) 17:15, 9 December 2007 (UTC) :Sorry. You were doing good work, but had a redlinked talk page, so I assumed you were new. My bad! &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:16, 9 December 2007 (UTC) == Thanks == Thanks for your continued surveillance of SE Wikibooks. The last couple incidents of vandalism were cleaned up almost instantly. --[[User:Ezra Katz|Ezra Katz]] ([[User talk:Ezra Katz|talk]]) 01:09, 10 December 2007 (UTC) :Yes, well we monitor simple.books in IRC, and stewards are generally available. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC) == Response == Just responded to your question on my talk page in case you did not have a watch on it. --&nbsp;[[User:Jacques Bergeron|Jacques]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Jacques_Bergeron|talk]])&nbsp;([[Special:Emailuser/Jacques Bergeron|email]]) 16:14, 10 December 2007 (UTC) :I do, but thanks for the heads-up. It's [[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] '''{{{1|Done}}}''' &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:17, 10 December 2007 (UTC) == Did you mean: == Wikibookians? Heh, that's a funny word. Wikibookians. Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha Right then. About my edits, maybe the [[User:Jimbo_Wales]] comment was not great, but everything else was. oh and Wikibookians heh oh and I request you answer on my talk page --[[Special:Contributions/67.142.130.38|67.142.130.38]] ([[User talk:67.142.130.38|talk]]) 01:23, 12 December 2007 (UTC) == Geology Bookshelf, deletion == 05:30, 13 November 2007 Mike.lifeguard (Talk | contribs) deleted "Geology bookshelf" ‎(content was: '{query}BOOK LIST:== 1. The Geology of Indonesia ==') I don't understand why you deleted this. The wikibook [[The Geology of Indonesia]] is pretty good but it is hard to access without a geology bookshelf. --[[Special:Contributions/98.199.206.122|98.199.206.122]] ([[User talk:98.199.206.122|talk]]) 13:44, 12 December 2007 (UTC) :Well a bookshelf with one book on it really doesn't help anyone do anything. [[The Geology of Indonesia]] should be listed at [[Wikibooks:Natural sciences bookshelf#Earth sciences]], which I have done. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:41, 12 December 2007 (UTC) == I apologize for my late reply == First, my comments were directed to the nice box you put on the page that said 'contributors' instead of 'Wikibookians' (which, is still, as funny as last night). I think you really worked hard to make a nice centered box, complete with a nice little stop sign, which, as you seem to be of great importance, is also at the top of this page. My IP has changed, so I apologize that you can't see said stop sign. *I think you tried really hard. As usual, I still say the [[User:Jimbo_Wales]] comment was mis-guided, but as you are indeed so important perhaps you could delete that page anyway. it didn't/doesn't really help anyone. Or be bold (or italic) and just merge it to whatever it's supposed to be merged to. Yeah. Oh, and wikibookians. Heh. --[[Special:Contributions/67.142.130.31|67.142.130.31]] ([[User talk:67.142.130.31|talk]]) 01:09, 13 December 2007 (UTC) :Hey Mike, You know that awkward feeling you get when you make a joke in a crowded room, and nobody laughs but you? Man, that's awkward, and even a little pathetic. I don;t know what brought that up, and I'm sorry to interrupt. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 01:18, 13 December 2007 (UTC) ==POLT== Hello Mike, I am a GA of Dr. Bonk's POLT Wikibook website, http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/The_Practice_of_Learning_Theories. Several times, I uploaded a bookcover image that Dr. Bonk personally created for this website. But it seems like you deleted the image whenever I uploaded. Is there something wrong with the information that I provided for uploading the image? What can I do for solving this problem? The image is created by Dr. BOnk and he wants to use it in his Wikibook. Please let me know what I am supposed to do. Thank you.<small>—The preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Jsnaree|Jsnaree]] ([[User talk:Jsnaree|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jsnaree|contribs]]) 19:17, December 13, 2007.</small> :When you first uploaded it, you claimed it was your own work. If that's not the case then you can claim fair use, though we prefer that the image be [[Wikibooks:Template messages/Image namespace|freely licensed]]. Please provide a source (ie URL) for the image so we can verify who own the copyright and use {{tlx|information}} to provide the requested information regarding the image. Thanks. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:21, 13 December 2007 (UTC) == Template ? Wikibooks cannot accept copyrighted content == "but we regretfully cannot accept copyrighted works borrowed from either websites or printed material, or works which use an unacceptable license." "but we regretfully cannot accept copyrighted works borrowed from either websites or printed material, or works which use an unacceptable license without proper authorization." I know it is generic and intended to be minimal, but can you consider in adding just 3 words more and provide a link to how to proceed in getting authorization from the righholders. This can lead not only to a better understanding but in automatically increase the chance on promoting Wikibooks (if the user does fell that the content is important enough to seek authorization). I would be bold and add it my self but I don't think you are using a template. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 02:01, 14 December 2007 (UTC) :Your wording would not be correct, but I will change it to make this clear. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:03, 14 December 2007 (UTC) :The template in question is {{tlx|Nothanks}}. I believe the wording is clear, correct, and the next sentence links to an explanatory page. I'm not going to change it, but if you like, you can suggest precise changes on the talk page (as the template is widely used, and is expected not to suddenly change). &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:13, 14 December 2007 (UTC) ::Done [[Template_talk:Nothanks]]. If you have time, I will ask you to examine the wording and if I changed the intention of the text. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 02:56, 14 December 2007 (UTC) == Checkuser == Your Checkuser flag is now active, you're already listed on [[:meta:CheckUser]], would you please subscribe to [http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/checkuser-l checkuser-l], email [mailto:checkuser-l-owner@wikipedia.org checkuser-l-owner@wikipedia.org] so that the listadmins know you're allowed on the mailing list (the list may contain confidential information), and also contact [[:meta:IRC_channels#wikimedia-checkuser|an op]] for access to [irc://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-checkuser #wikimedia-checkuser]. Thank you, --[[User:M7|M/]] 09:33, 14 December 2007 (UTC) :Congratulations on your selection. Please do not hesitate to call on any of your fellow Checkusers for advice or help if we can be of assistance in any way. The community is very helpful and the mailing list is a great resource. I am on the hook to try to put together a FAQ so if you have any questions that ought to be in it please ask them there so I can harvest them :) ++[[User:Lar|Lar]]: [[User_talk:Lar|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Lar|c]] 13:04, 14 December 2007 (UTC) Hey Mike, I'm not even a member of the #wikimedia-checkuser page myself (didnt know it existed), so I'll find somebody to contact and put in both our names for it. Congrats! --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 14:24, 14 December 2007 (UTC) :Thanks to all three of you! &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:27, 14 December 2007 (UTC) == Wikipedia content == When using Wikipedia content a simple acknowledge from the source suffices (that was the way we did things before we could import the history logs), the history log is of course a boon, but from Wikipedia it is not really a necessity to conform with our (mutual) GFDL license. This has to do on how rights over contributions are attributed and can be claimed on Wikipedia. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 17:36, 14 December 2007 (UTC) :Sorry, I don't understand you. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:38, 14 December 2007 (UTC) ::I was attempting to explain that your assertion here [[User_talk:AKCaveman]] may not be exact. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 17:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC) :::It was incorrect, though not in the way you assert. The history is available from wapedia, I just didn't see it at first. The import from enwiki failed; a link to the history has been placed on the associated talk page, which satisfies the GFDL. Is there something else? &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:45, 14 December 2007 (UTC) ::::What I was attempting to say is that the history log is not a requirement to the use of content from Wikipedia, a simple acknowledge from where the content came from (Wikipedia) does suffice. That was the way we imported material from there before we could import the history logs. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 17:47, 14 December 2007 (UTC) :::::No; a copy-and-paste transwiki would have been sufficient - the entire history is needed, which is why having [[Special:Import]] enabled was such a big deal. Unfortunately it doesn't always work; when it doesn't we still have to bring across the edit history manually. See [[m:Help:Transwiki|meta]] for details. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:51, 14 December 2007 (UTC) ::::::I'll reformulate this since I don't think you are understanding what I'm stating. If attribution is given to Wikipedia, the requirement to use traswiki is secondary (not a legal requirement to conform to the GFDL we use), but of course if possible it should be performed since it preserves more information. I also referred that prior to the possibility of transwiki the first option was the only one available. Personally and regarding Wikibooks it is my opinion that doing the transwiki without giving acknowledgment to Wikipedia on specific books should not be done especially since the history information is highly volatile and hard to port to other mediums. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 18:02, 14 December 2007 (UTC) == Clock recovery == Howdy, the author has done some large updates to [[w:Clock recovery]]. Could you reimport it over to [[Transwiki:Clock recovery]]? Someday I need to start pruning the wikipedia article, but would like to capture this as one page before doing so. Thank you. [[User:Mrand|Mrand]] ([[User talk:Mrand|talk]]) 22:34, 15 December 2007 (UTC) :[[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] '''Transwiki updated''' &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:45, 15 December 2007 (UTC) == Commons:Graphic Lab School == Hello, the [[:Commons:Commons:Graphic_Lab_School/Images_to_improve]] made the work asked, you are welcome to pick it up ;) [[Special:Contributions/140.122.97.6|140.122.97.6]] ([[User talk:140.122.97.6|talk]]) 12:24, 17 December 2007 (UTC) :Thank you very much. I've passed that along. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 14:05, 17 December 2007 (UTC) == Moving book to Strategy Wiki? == For some reason, I'm not able to secure an account on StrategyWiki, which is required to import a page. Is it possible to post/add/import content without an account? [[User:Connor.rosen|Connor.rosen]] ([[User talk:Connor.rosen|talk]]) 23:24, 17 December 2007 (UTC) :I assume you're welcome to contribute there without an account, though I'm not sure why you wouldn't be able to register one. You might ask an administrator at strategywiki about that. They do have import enabled, so you can ask an admin there to move the content over in full compliance with the GFDL. Hope this helps. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:22, 18 December 2007 (UTC) == Hum == A drop down reason for qr-em deletions? Just a thought - cheers --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 08:36, 18 December 2007 (UTC) :Yeah, we had one for a while; I think it got lost in the shuffle. Seems like people are leaving the (hideous) default reason, which is just a quote of the old content. I'll put something together. Good thinking. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:59, 18 December 2007 (UTC) == thnx == Thanks for leaving me that message,it really helped me.--[[User:1bookfan|1bookfan]] ([[User talk:1bookfan|talk]]) 18:36, 20 December 2007 (UTC) ==POLT book cover== Hello Mike, I am a GA of Dr. Bonk's POLT Wikibook website, http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/The_Practice_of_Learning_Theories. As I explained before, Dr. Bonk personally hired a graphic artist for the POLT bookcover for this Wikibook, so he owns the book cover image. I think I already provided enough information of the license for this several times when I uploaded the image file. Please let me know if I did something wrong. And is there any way to post it on his Wikibook, except proving free license for it? Please let me know if you want to contact Dr. Bonk in person for this issue. In fact, he wants to let you know his phone number and email address. I think it would not be a good idea to provide his contact information here.<small>—The preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:156.56.193.69|156.56.193.69]] ([[User talk:156.56.193.69|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/156.56.193.69|contribs]]) 19:07, December 21, 2007.</small> :As I said, it was initially claimed that the uploader was the artist. If that were the case, then we wouldn't accept a fair use claim on the image - it would have to be used under a free license. Since that's not the case, a fair use claim is fine (though we'd still prefer a free license instead). I'll restore the image in a few minutes if not already done. If you'd like to provide contact information privately, you can [[Special:Emailuser/Mike.lifeguard|email]] me. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:47, 21 December 2007 (UTC) == Re: Thanks == Thanks all, it's very appreciated. You're taking so much time to show me how to use the thing that I though that some general clean-up work would be appropriate. I'll return to my .NET things for the next few days though. --&nbsp;[[User:Jacques Bergeron|Jacques]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Jacques_Bergeron|talk]])&nbsp;([[Special:Emailuser/Jacques Bergeron|email]]) 23:32, 21 December 2007 (UTC) h7y6aqaksnfr7yv74g4iq06kf3t822m 0 144121 4654276 4460348 2026-07-13T07:34:11Z Meno25 43227 rm iw 4654276 wikitext text/x-wiki __NOTOC__ {{Shelves|Arabic language}} {{alphabetical|A}} {{status|75%}}{{Book title|Arabic|ﺍﻟﻌﺮﺑﻴﺔ}} == Contents == {{Book search}} {{Print version|Arabic/Print_version}}{{Category 4 Language}} === Front Matter === * [[Arabic/Introduction|Introduction]] * [[Arabic/Romanisation System|Romanisation System (ﻧﻈﺎﻡ ﺍﻟﺤﻮﺭﻓﺔ)]] === Alphabet and Pronunciation (ﺍﻟﻬﺠﺎﺋﻴﺔ ﻭﺍﻟﻨﻄﻖ) === * [[Arabic/The Alphabet|The Alphabet (الأبجد)]] * [[Arabic/Vowels|Vowels (التشكيل)]] * [[Arabic/Special Cases|Special Cases]] === Lessons الدروس === *[[Arabic/Parts_of_speech|Parts of speech (أَقسَامُ اَلكَلِمِ)]] *[[Arabic/definite Article|The definite article]] {{stage short|75%|Aug 19, 2007}} *[[Arabic/Feminine_and_masculine_nouns| Feminine and masculine nouns (اَلأَسمَاءُ اَلمُؤَنَّثَةُ وَاَلمُذَكَّرَةُ]]) *[[Arabic/Arabic numbers|Arabic numbers]]{{stage short|25%|Apr 15, 2014}} *[[Arabic/thereafter|Here and there (هنا وهنالك)]] {{stage short|75%|Aug 13, 2007}} *[[Arabic/available|Available (موجود)]] {{stage short|75%|Aug 14, 2007}} *[[Arabic/existence|Existence - وجود]] {{stage short|75%|Aug 13, 2007}} *[[Arabic/there Is|There is هناك]]{{stage short|75%|}} *[[Arabic/describing|Describing - وصف]]{{stage short|75%|}} *[[Arabic/pointing|Pointing]]{{stage short|75%|Aug 21, 2007}} *[[Arabic/relations|Relations - علاقات]]{{stage short|75%|Aug 14, 2007}} *[[/Pointing and describing/]]{{stage short|75%|Aug 14, 2007}} *[[Arabic/pronouns1|Pronouns - ضمائر]]{{stage short|75%|Aug 14, 2007}} *[[Arabic/possessive Pronouns|Possessive Pronouns - ضمائر الملكية]]{{stage short|75%|Aug 14, 2007}} *[[Arabic/possessionRelationship|Possession]] {{stage short|75%|Aug 14, 2007}} *[[Arabic/Review Exercises|Review Exercises - تمارين المراجعة]]{{stage short|50%|Aug 14, 2007}} *[[/Appendix A/|Appendix A: Common phrases - ملحق أ:العبارات المشتركة]]{{stage short|75%|March 2, 2008}} *[[/Appendix B|Appendix B: Common phrases - ملحق ب:العبارات المشتركة]] *[[Arabic/Time and place|Time and place (ظرف المكان و ظرف الزََّمان)]] === Text-Study Section قسم دراسة النّص === * [[Arabic/Classical Arabic Readings|Classical Arabic Readings]] * [[Arabic/Modern Standard Arabic Readings|Modern Standard Arabic Readings]] === Misc. إلخ === * [[/Formal|Formal Arabic]] * [[/progressReport|Progress report]] * [[/Appendix|Vocabulary and Phrase Appendix]] * [[/More links|Archived Lessons!]] * [[/Problem Informing|Troubleshooting]] * [[Arabic/External Resources|External Resources]] == To Integrate == The following pages need to be properly integrated into the book—many are redundant or contain information out of the teaching order above. * [[Arabic/Writing lessons plan|Lesson planning for a step-by-step introduction of the Arabic alphabet]] {{stage short|25%|Aug 22, 2006}} * [[Arabic/Arabic alphabet step-by-step]] * [[Arabic/Arabic alphabet]] {{stage short|50%|Jan 24, 2005}} * [[Arabic/Arabic alphabet (by group)]] * [[Arabic/Arabic sounds]] 3p6sk0v6g86ocnsi4oaeik5vnzqlqvb 3 144425 4654230 1104827 2026-07-12T18:09:51Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654230 wikitext text/x-wiki <[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 9|older]] [[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 11|newer]]> {{Talkarchive}} {{-}} == VIN == I split material from [[w:Vehicle identification number]] into several modules - the history of the version from which all are derived exists at [[Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Overview]]; does the history need to be duplicated in all modules derived from that material? (generally this isn't needed for an article split on Wikipedia, but I'm not familiar with Wikibooks policy). [[User:Random832|Random832]] ([[User talk:Random832|talk]]) 06:58, 22 December 2007 (UTC) :If I understand you correctly, then the current state of affairs is fine. As long as there is some indication in the edit history for each page that the content added came from some other page, then the history is intact. Hope that helps. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:31, 22 December 2007 (UTC) == Double Redirect == Hello Mike, I'm new here and my first edit was to fix a double-redirect. The page ([[Javascript/List of Contributers]]) was not removed from the list (as has been the case on all other wikis with which I have had experience), but marked out. Is there some mistake I have made? Thanks for your help, [[User:Neoptolemus|Νεοπτόλεμος]] 18:37, 22 December 2007 (UTC) :Nope, that's how it's supposed to be. Good work. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:53, 22 December 2007 (UTC) == Unsure == We have [[Beekeeping/Kenyan Top Bar Hives|this]] & [[Beekeeping/Kenya Top Bar Hives|this]] which all instinct tells me should be one page? I got there from [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALinksearch&target=*.biobees.com this] which may be worth keeping an eye open for. Cheers --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 13:31, 23 December 2007 (UTC) :Thanks; will take care of this later &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:33, 23 December 2007 (UTC) :[[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] '''{{{1|Done}}}'''&nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:35, 25 December 2007 (UTC) == AWB == Hi Mike, I [[User talk:Whiteknight#Categorizing uncategorized pages|asked WKnight]] if there are tools available that could help an eventual cleanup of the uncategorized pages (since I did the categories). In his [[User_talk:Jacques_Bergeron#Re:Categorizing_uncategorized_pages|answer]] he pointed me to [[w:WP:AWB|AWB]] saying that you were a regular user of that tool. Before I take a detailed look at the tool I have a couple of questions for you if you have a minute: :Are you effectively using that tool? :Does it work? :Do we need special permission to use it at wikibooks (there is at wikipedia)? :Do you think it could help in the uncategorized pages cleanup? <br>Reagrds, --&nbsp;[[User:Jacques Bergeron|Jacques]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Jacques_Bergeron|talk]])&nbsp;([[Special:Emailuser/Jacques Bergeron|email]]) 14:07, 23 December 2007 (UTC) ::I'm not sure how useful it would be for categorizing uncategorized pages - [[m:pywikipediabot|pywikipediabot]] would be more useful (I also have that). That process obviously can't be fully-auto, since the program can't decide how to categorize pages, but it is fairly straightforward. I'm fairly busy over the holidays, but come January, I can invest some time into categorization if you like. If you want to do it, go for it. No programming required, but it's bit more involved to get up and running. If you do it yourself, just remember that unless you have a bot account, you can't go full-speed (you're of course welcome to [[WB:RFA|ask]] for a bot flag on a secondary account). &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:30, 23 December 2007 (UTC) ::Thanks for the answers. The idea is to try to do it myself to save you time. Tool looks good from the documentation. I'll try to install it and start one page at a time. If it works I will come back for further advice (bot account, etc.). --&nbsp;[[User:Jacques Bergeron|Jacques]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Jacques_Bergeron|talk]])&nbsp;([[Special:Emailuser/Jacques Bergeron|email]]) 18:49, 23 December 2007 (UTC) == Health issues for gardeners == Hi Mike. I want to work on some health and safety stuff for the garden book, including proper lifting, carpel tunnel, eye washing, etc. If I start (and/or transwiki) some material for it, could you look it over for me? --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 14:10, 23 December 2007 (UTC) :Abolutely! I'm a tad busy for now, but come Jan, I'll be around with more time. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:31, 23 December 2007 (UTC) == [[w:User_talk:Raylu#quickWikify_script|Quick dewikify]] == Do you still need this? As you can tell, I don't come on WP often and people rarely talk to me. -[[w:User:raylu|raylu]] 06:23, 29 December 2007 (UTC) :If you can do it, I think it'd be very useful. Thanks! &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:11, 29 December 2007 (UTC) :[[w:User:raylu/monobook.js]] There it is. My only concern is that it removes all blank lines following it. So if there is a wikify tag followed by intended blank lines, it will remove them. Not a big deal, I hope. I won't be using it for long, so you should probably mirror it somewhere. -[[w:User:raylu|raylu]] 07:47, 1 January 2008 (UTC) ::Thanks! Copied, and will try to optimize later. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:02, 4 January 2008 (UTC) == [[User:Aly4halo|Aly4alo]] == I noticed you had welcomed this user. Just because you are relative to him, he has uploaded a non-tracable image. Could you please trace him with your tools, if possible? [[User:Laleena|Laleena]] ([[User talk:Laleena|talk]]) 01:43, 31 December 2007 (UTC) :CheckUser can't help in this case. I've deleted the unlicensed duplicates, and if no license info is provided for the remaining image after 1 week from the upload date, it'll be deleted as normal. Thanks for keeping an eye out. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:05, 4 January 2008 (UTC) == Happy New Year! == Happy New Year! All the best for you and your family. Thanks for helping my integration into the project. Your support has allowed the [[.NET Development Foundation]] book to reach a first milestone with the integration of all the content into a more “textbook like” structure. --&nbsp;[[User:Jacques Bergeron|Jacques]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Jacques_Bergeron|talk]])&nbsp;([[Special:Emailuser/Jacques Bergeron|email]]) 19:43, 31 December 2007 (UTC) == Welcome back == A great 2008 to you. Recent Meta "activity" noted :) Regards --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 08:27, 4 January 2008 (UTC) == Re:Warn.js == I'll see what I can do about the watchlist thing. The problem is that the code is part of a reusable library, so if i change the library it is going to affect all the rest of the scripts that rely on it (which is quite a lot at this point). If i set it to not watch the page, then scripts that I use on my talk page (for instance) will cause my talk page to be removed from my watchlist. The likely solution will be for me to create an entirely new function with specifiable options (such as watch page, minor edit, etc) and then slowly transition all scripts over to use this new function. I'll get to work on it this evening when I get back home, and I'll let you know how it progresses. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 18:02, 8 January 2008 (UTC) :Wrote a long thing, then realize I misread you. Yes, changing (or not) the watched status of a page would need to be a parameter, which isn't the case now. Thanks a ton. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:05, 8 January 2008 (UTC) :Okay, i completely rewrote a few functions, and updated the library. The script now uses your default values for page watching and minor edits. These will be the same as what you have set in the preferences. So, if you have "watch pages I edit" or "watch pages I create" enabled in the preferences, that's what will happen with the script. Same with the minor edits thing ("mark all edits minor by default"). :Do me a favor, I want to get some people to test this script out so that I know I didnt mess it up worse. Also, give me some feedback about whether you want me to change the default behavior (mark them all as minor by default, don't ever watch them by default, etc). --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 00:08, 9 January 2008 (UTC) ::Excellent! There was one missing comma (literally) that I poked darklama to find and fix. I think it'd be best to never watch those edits; it's just a welcome/warn. If there's some special case (like you're expecting a reply to a vandal warning or whatever) then you can watch the page separately for those special cases. As well, those are definitely minor edits, so that should be on. Great work though. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:27, 11 January 2008 (UTC) == [[Introduction to Sociology/Religion|An edit of yours]] == One of your edits was recently vandalized by [[User talk:70.248.55.77|70.248.55.77]] (actually a few minutes ago). I thougth you would be interested. (I reverted.). Thanks, [[User:Laleena|Laleena]] ([[User talk:Laleena|talk]]) 00:08, 9 January 2008 (UTC) == no problem == Np, sorry I forgot to patrol them before. [[User:Mattb112885|Mattb112885]] <small> ([[User talk:Mattb112885|talk to me]]) </small> 23:01, 10 January 2008 (UTC) == Ancient History/China/Ancient History == All that page is, is a template and four links to pages that have been moved. The page itself isn't needed anymore. It was intended as a link to four periods in ancient China, but those periods are linked to from the main China page. '''[[User:Neoptolemus|Νεοπτόλεμος]]''' 01:54, 11 January 2008 (UTC) :Ahh; if the content is elsewhere, that changes things. Deleted. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:01, 11 January 2008 (UTC) ::Thanks! '''[[User:Neoptolemus|Νεοπτόλεμος]]''' 02:02, 11 January 2008 (UTC) == Stupid question == Why do the Bulletin Board topics appear on the Watchlist page? Just wondering, the bulletin board seems quite accessible. --&nbsp;[[User:Jacques Bergeron|Jacques]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Jacques_Bergeron|talk]])&nbsp;([[Special:Emailuser/Jacques Bergeron|email]]) 04:16, 11 January 2008 (UTC) :That's a coincidence for right now. Actually, the Bulletin Board is not watched by much of the community, I think. In the future, I hope to change it regularly, and it probably won't always be a re-hash of the BB.<small>—The preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Mike.lifeguard|Mike.lifeguard]] ([[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mike.lifeguard|contribs]]) 04:27, January 11, 2008.</small> ::Thanks for the answer. Jacques<small>—The preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Jacques Bergeron|Jacques Bergeron]] ([[User talk:Jacques Bergeron|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jacques Bergeron|contribs]]) 14:59, January 11, 2008.</small> == Honors World History Study Guide == I have agreed to transwiki the study guide. <small>—The preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Xz64|Xz64]] ([[User talk:Xz64|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Xz64|contribs]]) 04:38, January 11, 2008.</small> :<s>OK. Do you need help to do that? To which wiki is it being moved? &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 04:39, 11 January 2008 (UTC)</s> :If you have any trouble with the move to Wikiversity, just let me know. I have contacts there ;) Once the content has moved, please put {{tlx|delete|moved to Wikiversity}} at the top of the pages. Thanks! &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:40, 11 January 2008 (UTC) == Too tempting == Sorry - had to edit ([[User:Mike.lifeguard/Rights|?]]) - feel free to "rollback"! --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 19:15, 11 January 2008 (UTC) :More thinking - to revoke the rights there should be a minimum of two admin/'crats agree on wiki that removal was necessary? Can't see I would do/want to do that on my own (I'd block for disruptive editing but not revoke?). Cheers --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 19:27, 11 January 2008 (UTC) ::Well, I don't like what I had very much, so feel free. For rollback abuse, I'd warn then revoke if they do it again. If it's not a big deal for +rollbacker then it's not for -rollbacker either. For that, I'd say any admin can revoke for misuse after a warning. ::Patroller is a bit more tricky. I'd say that the granting admin can revoke with no other process. If someone else wants to revoke patroller then they need another admin to agree. ::/me edits some more. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:39, 11 January 2008 (UTC) :::Yeah - basically I agree with you. I ''think'' I'd want someone else's opinion on any removal anyway (emergencies excepted obviously). It would be good to get this off the ground, cheers --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 13:41, 12 January 2008 (UTC) ::::And... thinking... inactivity... If someone had been inactive for say 6 months would you want them to still have patroller rights? I'll think too --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 13:50, 12 January 2008 (UTC) :::::I'm with you on inactivity - the shorter the better for me. I'd like to keep the +patroller pool small as well, to better supervise them. It's easier to see bad rollbacks than bad patrols, since the whole point is that once it's patrolled nobody needs to look at it. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:07, 12 January 2008 (UTC) ::::::Agree completely - however not everyone here shares my views on inactivity..:) I inclined to say anyone who has been active for a month or so is "eligible" but equally more than a handful here is unlikely (& PLEASE let us avoid the en wp bureaucracy/dramas!) Cheers --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 17:10, 12 January 2008 (UTC) I was hoping the only policy would be "admin discretion, and they're responsible for their own rights changes" - I'm trying to keep this as minimalist as possible. I'm going to wait to see some more comments at the !vote before making more changes, I think. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:15, 12 January 2008 (UTC) == Explanation of New Category == Hi, Mike.lifeguard! I've seen your name all over but have never chatted with you. Thanks for being a great admin. Anyway, I am a GA at Old Dominion Univ. in Virginia, and for the past couple years, our students have taken part in the creation of their own textbook [[Social and Cultural Foundations of American Education|Social and Cultural Foundations of American Education]]. Now, times have changed, so we've decided to create a new book--the one you found. When I categorized all the modules in the old book, [[User:SBJohnny]] told me that it would be ok for me to categorize every module with the book's title. If you'd like me to try something else this time, I'll be happy to, but I thought I'd better explain. By the way, if you have any suggestions for me, I'd sure appreciate it! Thanks, and keep in touch if you have time. [[User:PbakerODU|Pete]] ([[User talk:PbakerODU|talk]]) 23:12, 11 January 2008 (UTC) :Didn't notice the category matched the title - that's perfect. Normally when pages are created with no content I'll tag it with {{tlx|query}}, but I recognized your username from that previous project. As long as those page aren't mistakes I'll go back and patrol them. Thanks for the note. If you need help, this is one place. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:14, 11 January 2008 (UTC) :Ah, yep... Pete knows what he's doing, no worries Mike! --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 02:03, 12 January 2008 (UTC) == WB:AUTOBLOCK == could you delete this? I made a better one - WB:AUTO. Thanks, --- <strong>[[User:Anonymous Dissident|<span style="font-family:Script MT Bold;color:Silver">Anonymous Dissident</span>]]</strong>[[User_talk:Anonymous Dissident|<sup><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:Gray">Talk</span></sup>]] 08:26, 12 January 2008 (UTC) :Actually, deletion is prob not needed - what's the harm in it staying? Thanks anyway. --- <strong>[[User:Anonymous Dissident|<span style="font-family:Script MT Bold;color:Silver">Anonymous Dissident</span>]]</strong>[[User_talk:Anonymous Dissident|<sup><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:Gray">Talk</span></sup>]] 08:27, 12 January 2008 (UTC) ::Put both up as shortcuts - no problem having both. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:08, 12 January 2008 (UTC) == Cover for New Book == Hi, I am working to find a nice cover photo for my new book from the Commons. As you probably remember, my ignorance caused me to misrepresent the license of an Asian Fan Dance photo last semester, and I wonder if you can remind me again about this policy. I would like to save a copy of a Commons image on my local machine, and then edit in text including the book's title and contributors. After this is done, I would like to upload the image to the Commons again and use it as the cover photo. What type of license should I attach to this modified version of the image? I surely appreciate your help. Wikibooks is a great community, and I definitely don't want to abuse it. [[User:PbakerODU|Pete]] ([[User talk:PbakerODU|talk]]) 15:27, 12 January 2008 (UTC) :I'm not an expert, but I think it'll be the same license that the original image had. You might ask on [[commons:Commons:Help desk]] - folks at Commons deal only with images, so they really know their stuff. See [[commons:Commons:Licensing]] for an example(!) &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:04, 12 January 2008 (UTC) == Your note == I have that option enabled but it doesn't work any more (I don't see the tabs). I use Firefox, if that's helpful. [[User:Laleena|Laleena]] ([[User talk:Laleena|talk]]) 21:47, 12 January 2008 (UTC) :That's odd; it's working for me. The warn tab should appear on Contribs and user talk pages; the welcome tab should appear when editing a non-existing user talk page. Do you have javascript enabled? Try a hard-reset (in firefox: CRTL+SHIFT+R) and let me know if you still have problems. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:49, 12 January 2008 (UTC) :The tabs still won't appear. They did before, and I enabled it, and I did as you suggested, but it won't work. Huh? [[User:Laleena|Laleena]] ([[User talk:Laleena|talk]]) 12:48, 13 January 2008 (UTC) ::Huh? is right. If you have javascript enabled, and you're using a browser that's not ancient, it should work. I'm using firefox, and it works fine for me. Can you go to a page where the tabs should appear, and report whether you're getting warnings in Tools>Error Console? &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:20, 13 January 2008 (UTC) :::Works now. Thanks! [[User:Laleena|Laleena]] ([[User talk:Laleena|talk]]) 17:43, 13 January 2008 (UTC) == Re:warn.js == I did a few tests this morning, and I have to admit that i'm not getting any errors on this script. Do me a favor and clear your cache, just to make sure that your browser is using the most recent version of the script. You say that you get the error, but that the script still posts messages? --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 15:00, 13 January 2008 (UTC) :Done and still getting it. It's an error after everything important has happened. The user gets warned/welcomed; this doesn't affect function, but it's strange. I wouldn't have noticed anything except that firebug tells me 1 error, and then the message & code I quoted before. I suppose no fix is really necessary. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:17, 13 January 2008 (UTC) == Weird... == Hey Mike, could you figure out what's going on here? [[Ancient_History/Greece/Minoan_Civilization|This page]]'s TOC box links to [[Ancient History/Greece/Introduction]], but sends you straight to editing the page. The TOC is also [[Ancient History/Greece/Mycenaean Civilization|here]], but sends you straight to the artcile. '''[[User:Neoptolemus|Νεοπτόλεμος]]''' 16:56, 13 January 2008 (UTC) :I'm not getting that; it sends me to the page each time. [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Ancient_History/Greece/Minoan_Civilization&action=purge purge] the page cache, then confirm it still happens? &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:06, 13 January 2008 (UTC) ::Works now. That was strange. Thanks! '''[[User:Neoptolemus|Νεοπτόλεμος]]''' 17:07, 13 January 2008 (UTC) == Your note == I didn't realize, but never mind. Thanks! [[User:Laleena|Laleena]] ([[User talk:Laleena|talk]]) 17:59, 13 January 2008 (UTC) fwbd7qbnsuan1mgr7h25kojz41tqjjp 3 146826 4654231 1094490 2026-07-12T18:09:55Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654231 wikitext text/x-wiki <[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 10|older]] [[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 12|newer]]> {{Talkarchive}} {{-}} == about deleting MegaUniversity == Hi, I am making wikibook "MegaUniversity" for my university class project, but actually the page is deleted, I do not why? and in addtion, I mistakenly created 2 URL "MegaUniverstiy" and "Megaunicersity" Is there any way to delet one (the latter one " Megauniversity")totally, it means delet title itself. Since I have to make the front page "MegaUniversity" for my classmate to bridge their links for creating each chapter, I do not wanna delet the page "MegaUniversity"(the former one). I am very sorry, but I am a totally begginer to do this, would you let me know what I should do for not deleting the content??<small>—The preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:G096016|G096016]] ([[User talk:G096016|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/G096016|contribs]]) 18:20, January 13, 2008.</small> :I deleted those pages because they were not part of a [[WB:WIW|textbook]]. I'm going to undelete [[Megauniversity]] and [[Megauniversity/Anadolu University]] for you. Please make sure that this is a textbook; we do not accept [[WB:NOTWP|macropedias]]. I will be watching the development of these pages; as you develop them, if it is clear that they don't fit within [[WB:WIW|project scope]], then I will delete them again, [[WB:SPEEDY|per policy]]. If you have questions about what constitutes a textbook, feel free to [[WB:HELP|ask the community]] what they think of your book. If I can be of further help, please don't hesitate to ask here. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:02, 13 January 2008 (UTC) Thank you very much, I understand what you mean, we try to make "book", Thank you for your help.<small>—The preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:G096016|G096016]] ([[User talk:G096016|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/G096016|contribs]]) 02:13, January 14, 2008.</small> Myanmar deletion Where can I find the site I was working on? It was actually work in progress, part of a class on distance education. Please let me know. Thank you.<small>—The preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Arthurwolf|Arthurwolf]] ([[User talk:Arthurwolf|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Arthurwolf|contribs]]) 09:38, January 14, 2008.</small> :Undeleted: [[Megauniversity/Myanmar]] &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:11, 14 January 2008 (UTC) == Naming == No real idea what these [[Megauniversity]] related pages are really about & AGF for now but surely teh subpages should be named per policy Megauniversity/whatever? Cheers --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 12:37, 14 January 2008 (UTC) :Rename: yes; should be fine now. Undeletion: probably temporary, by the looks of the new content. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:13, 17 January 2008 (UTC) == Regex filter == Oooh that is '''so''' nice. May need to steal that for commons & Meta - cheers --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 19:15, 14 January 2008 (UTC) :Abolutely! Another bland but every-wiki-should-have script is the [[MediaWiki:Gadget-EnhancedUndelete.js|enhanced undelete]]; feel free to spread that around if wikis don't have it already. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:17, 14 January 2008 (UTC) :Also the modified rollback. Upon successful rollback, takes to contribs pages so you can check for more vandalism to revert. Also, if using our User Welcome script, you have a warn tab to warn them while looking at contribs. I love it when scripts work together :) &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:18, 14 January 2008 (UTC) ::While you were typing I was stealing :) I'll look at the others tomorrow I guess (Meta hasn't got "gadgets" set up yet...). Help is appreciated - cheers --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 19:32, 14 January 2008 (UTC) :::PS: Watch that script and others for updates. For this one, I just changed it to appear on [[Special:Contributions]], which can be very handy. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:15, 17 January 2008 (UTC) == +Kudos == [[Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard#New_.22gadget.22|here]] :) --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 19:53, 14 January 2008 (UTC) == gadgets == Just to say they are now both on Meta & correctly attributed. Thanks Mike --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 12:34, 15 January 2008 (UTC) == [[Special:Contributions/71.187.182.134|Please block this user]] == The person just vandalized [[Wikijunior:Big Cats|Big Cats]] in the Wikijunior section. BTW, do you still work on WP? I came from there too. [[User:Laleena|Laleena]] ([[User talk:Laleena|talk]]) 22:54, 15 January 2008 (UTC) :We don't block on the first "offense" unless it's clearly malicious (this looks like a test edit). If they continue, I'd consider a short block. I'll watch the IP for a bit. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:59, 15 January 2008 (UTC) == Brito == Hi saw your message on the page I started. Sorry this was a test page to see how the idea of parallel Latin English would work. The idea is a collaborative project to translate a wide range of source material from Latin (or indeed Greek) into English using parallel text, with notes and references to help beginners and also to get more classical texts into the public domain. I have a sneaking suspicion that I came to the wrong place & there is something called Wikisource that I should have used. Let me know. This was just a test anyway. [[User:Ockham|Ockham]] ([[User talk:Ockham|talk]]) 07:36, 16 January 2008 (UTC) :Hi there. Unless the end result is going to be a textbook (this sounds more like a translation) then either Wikisource or Wiktionary would be my bet. There's no rush to move things elsewhere. You should ask an admin for those projects what they think - whether this would be a good fit there. I'm not well-versed in the intricacies of other projects' inclusion policies, so I can't help out too much. Happy editing. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:55, 16 January 2008 (UTC) :: Yes Wikisource is the right place, and I have set up shop there. The experiments I set up should really be deleted. [[User:Ockham|Ockham]] ([[User talk:Ockham|talk]]) 08:18, 17 January 2008 (UTC) :::Thanks; I'll do that later today. 12:37, 17 January 2008 (UTC) == User == My Apologies for creating User:Celeron i didn't noticed it was considered as a promotion. I hope this username is alright. [[User:Terra|Terra]] ([[User talk:Terra|talk]]) 15:44, 16 January 2008 (UTC) :Looks good. "Intel Celeron" just popped into my head - it was borderline, but you have a new account regardless. If you ever need help with anything, you can always ask here or at [[WB:HELP]] where the whole community will see it. Have a good day. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:57, 16 January 2008 (UTC) == Axioms page == Sorry, I'm new here. I clicked on Axioms and it said there was no page for it, so I thought I would start one. I was unaware that the page was created in an error. Go ahead and delete it.<small>—The preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Jmeddy|Jmeddy]] ([[User talk:Jmeddy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jmeddy|contribs]]) 17:40, January 16, 2008.</small> :Well if you want to create that page, that's great. But Wikibooks is for [[WB:WIW|textbooks]], and what you've started doesn't look like the beginnings of a textbook. Instead, it looks like either the start of an [[WB:NOTWP|encyclopedia article]] or a [[WB:DICT|dictionary definition]]. If you want to continue writing on this subject, you might want to contribute to [[Set Theory/Axioms]], [[Algebra/Arithmetic/Numerical Axioms]], [[Topology/Separation Axioms]] or [[Data Structures/Tree Axioms]] for example. Unless you're going to expand that page you created into a textbook, it's going to be deleted in about a week. You're welcome to expand upon it instead, or contribute to pre-existing modules. Happy editing! &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:02, 16 January 2008 (UTC) ==subst== Hey Mike. Quick question: what does subst: do on templates? I haven't been using it and have this feeling that I should have been. But can't for the life of me find out what it does. Thanks --[[User:AdRiley|AdRiley]] ([[User talk:AdRiley|talk]]) 07:13, 17 January 2008 (UTC) :subst: will replace the template with the actual wiki markup, instead of doing a call dynamically. This is good for user talk templates in particular because we don't want the message to change later, and we want to reduce server load (which is obviously increased by fetching the template each time a page must be rendered. [[w:Wikipedia:Substitution]] for more. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 07:32, 17 January 2008 (UTC) == My user page == ''Please'' quit testing js on my user talk page. It was very annoying to check my talk page for new messages when there wasn't one, and even worse to find ''you'', of all people, testing js on my talk page like you would in the [[Wikibooks:Sandbox|Sandbox]]. Thank you, [[User:Laleena|Laleena]] ([[User talk:Laleena|talk]]) 00:34, 18 January 2008 (UTC) :I'm sorry. That error has since been corrected, and the script allows users to avoid sending notices when appropriate. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:48, 18 January 2008 (UTC) :'S okay. I don't mind as long as it's corrected. [[User:Laleena|Laleena]] ([[User talk:Laleena|talk]]) 01:22, 18 January 2008 (UTC) ::Actually, as someone who might end up getting +patroller [no promises though ;)], you'll probably be interested in this script. It's not done yet; I want to add some additional features before letting people use it. You can see some [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:New_page_patrol&diff=prev&oldid=1084898 stuff] about it (which has since been removed because it's not ready). &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:29, 18 January 2008 (UTC) == One day == :''After having my conclusion supported with comments from one admin and non-admin, I went ahead an implemented it.'' That's what I was talking about with "one day" since you asked for confirmation and within one day just went and did it. I apologize if you took offense. I know the conversation took more than a day, I was in it too! If someone opposes something I feel it should at the least be responded to like some of the others were. The user role says "Bureaucrat" but it certainly doesn't mean everything he / she does needs to be bureaucratic. I don't feel my point was even addressed. -[[User:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#000000">'''within'''</span>]][[User talk:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#7A7A7A">'''focus'''</span>]] 23:17, 18 January 2008 (UTC) :I didn't mean that bureaucrats imply bureaucracy, but rather that people want this to be a ''quick'' and easy process for users. Letting admins hand it out and revoke it :#Ensures that as many eyes as possible will be looking for misuse and/or deliberate abuse and removing the rights; and :#Ensures that users' requests are handled expediently. :Please don't take this to mean that the crats are slow or inefficient, but rather that there are only what 4 of you, where we have nearly 30 admins, perhaps half of which are regularly active here. It's an effort to keep workload spread out, which is the entire point of this proposal. :As for one day after a consensus check, it was two days, and I didn't expect that the shell request would be filled the same day. Nevertheless, people had already expressed their opinions and voiced concerns; the point of that was not a re-hash, but rather a sanity-check on my part. In essence, I asked "Am I misreading people's comments?" and the answer was "No." Ordinarily I woudn't have bothered with a sanity-check, but this is a rather bigger deal than most things, and it ''is'' true that the discussion was long, and convoluted at times; it was entirely possible I missed an objection, or otherwise failed to gauge accurately what people were saying. I don't think I did. :As a final word, just because I've been the primary advocate of this doesn't mean it's my job to reply to everyone's comments. Other people's comments, while not explicitly directed at you, were certainly opposing the idea of having this be a bureaucrat task, and I took that to be sufficient comment on what you brought up. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:28, 18 January 2008 (UTC) == Thanks == Thanks for the welcome to Wikibooks, but I actually already have an account, but it's on the Wikipedia ([[w:User:XarBiogeek|XarBiogeek]]). I'm awaiting the implementation of universal login, because it seems rather unnecessary to create separate accounts on each sister project… [[Special:Contributions/24.92.255.104|24.92.255.104]] ([[User talk:24.92.255.104|talk]]) 01:27, 20 January 2008 (UTC) :No problem. SUL may be a ways off; for attribution purposes you may want to reconsider. It's up to you. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:30, 20 January 2008 (UTC) == Open? == [[user:124.217.251.166]] seems [http://tools.wikimedia.de/~luxo/contributions/contributions.php?user=124.217.251.166&lang=en cross wiki] & open proxy? Cheers --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 15:30, 20 January 2008 (UTC) :Yes. already blocked on some projects, on the CVN blacklist and all pages tagged ;) Not all by me, but people are really starting to work together these days. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:32, 20 January 2008 (UTC) ::Err great - but you only blocked it for a week? Cheers --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 15:39, 20 January 2008 (UTC) :::Pending a portscan. It actually looks like that (and one other) are ''not'' OPs. Also, s3 has a replag of over a day, so I can't see reliably what they've been doing elsewhere. /me increases to a month, which is about as much as I can justify without more info. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:43, 20 January 2008 (UTC) ::::[[m:User_talk:Pathoschild#Open.3F|8080 open]] I think, cheers --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 16:56, 20 January 2008 (UTC) == [[Volcanoes]] == I'm reorganizing the book, want to help? You may disagree with the framework I want to expand on, but please tell me if so. My big thing is making it comprehensive enough to satisfy basic knowledge of the volcano, including the VEI scale, which just isn't covered in most books. Thoughts? [[User:Laleena|Laleena]] ([[User talk:Laleena|talk]]) 15:40, 20 January 2008 (UTC) :Actually, I took a course on natural disasters last year, including volcanoes. I may indeed help out at some point. I'll take a look at the framework you're laying out, but that's about all I have time for today. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:41, 20 January 2008 (UTC) ::I was just starting the book. It is to begin with a framework and outline of 3 pages as I don't want it to be like what it was before-many pages of a framework for expansion by other users. It will begin with this collection of (probably) stubs and (hopefully) progress into a featured book, although I probably shouldn't hope so high. I will probably copy to the talk page to inform onlookers. Thoughts? [[User:Laleena|Laleena]] ([[User talk:Laleena|talk]]) 19:37, 20 January 2008 (UTC) :::Merge from [[Volcanism]] to [[Volcanoes/Volcanism|Volcanoes]] been done. I also would like it if you started working on some of the pages. Thoughts? [[User:Laleena|Laleena]] ([[User talk:Laleena|talk]]) 22:37, 20 January 2008 (UTC) ::::I'm currently doing some bot work cleaning up naming conventions, but I can take a look afterwards. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:43, 20 January 2008 (UTC) == Simple English == Hi. You welcomed me over at simple.wikibooks, I decided to say hi to you. I am now going to be over there for a while. [[User:Laleena|Laleena]] ([[User talk:Laleena|talk]]) 15:54, 20 January 2008 (UTC) :Look out for the spambots! Ohhh the spambots... &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:55, 20 January 2008 (UTC) ==Text editors== Hello ,I am Tejaswy from India,I wrote some articles about maximization of BTX,Now my problem is that I am not able to format it properly as i am new to wiki..and using the sand box is really a problem as we have slow internet speeds..this also deters many of my friends from using wikipedia to contribute.Could you please tell me some kind of software where i can format my articles and paste them ..like some html editors...i am looking up the net for it...nothing seems to do what i want it to do. [[User:Yourdeadin|Yourdeadin]] ([[User talk:Yourdeadin|talk]]) 19:20, 20 January 2008 (UTC)yourdeadin :I just [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:Reading_room/Assistance&diff=prev&oldid=1089836 replied]. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:23, 20 January 2008 (UTC) ::I need help ....I do not have the time to remember the codes of wiki....is there some kind of a simple program which automatically format word documents into wiki format..so that i all have to do is copy the wiki code and paste it here? ::I just wrote a artical in MS word and the formatting (tabs,tables,bullets) vanishes away as soon as i put it up in wiki...really frustrating...If there is some program that does that ...please let me know. ::[[User:Yourdeadin|Yourdeadin]] ([[User talk:Yourdeadin|talk]]) 20:00, 20 January 2008 (UTC) Yourdeadin :::I think that [[w:OOo|OpenOffice.org]] will export to wiki-markup, though I don't know how accurate it is. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:02, 20 January 2008 (UTC) == [[Talk:Social Psychology/Introduction/Sources]] == I'm not sure what would be appropriate for this; the page [[Social Psychology/Introduction]] was tagged as being transwikied without proper attribution, so however that would need to be included into the page is what needs to be included. I meant to create the page in the main namespace rather than talk, but either way, I put it in so I could link it to the page. [[User:JeremyMcCracken|JeremyMcCracken]] ([[User talk:JeremyMcCracken|talk]]) 01:05, 22 January 2008 (UTC) :Yeah, I thought that's what was going on. I've deleted the page and linked to the WP history with a template on [[Talk:Social Psychology/Introduction]]. Thanks for the info. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:26, 22 January 2008 (UTC) == Featured books == If I wanted to, could I close a featured book nomination? I am rather curious on the topic. Huh? [[User:Laleena|Laleena]] ([[User talk:Laleena|talk]]) 00:31, 23 January 2008 (UTC) :If you think consensus is clear, you can. Just make sure you close the discussion with regard ''only'' to the comments made - it's not a vote count, and your opinion doesn't matter any longer - only the strength of the arguments especially in relation to policy matter. I may check afterwards. As well, [[User:Whiteknight|WK]] usually takes care of creating the templates if required, so unless you feel up to doing that too, you might leave him a note (if the nom was successful). &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:48, 23 January 2008 (UTC) == Block request == Hello, please block me on four days because I'm Wikipediholic, and I want pass to me exam with english in friday. Thanks. [[User:KatLos|Kasia]] vs [[User talk:KatLos|my talk]] 22:18, 23 January 2008 (UTC) :Ermm, you only registered an account today: 21:50, January 23, 2008 KatLos (Talk | contribs | block) New user :I'm not going to block you. Have some self-restraint. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:20, 23 January 2008 (UTC) I'm wikipediholic from other wiki-projects, so again:Please block me on two days. [[User:KatLos|Kasia]] vs [[User talk:KatLos|my talk]] 22:27, 23 January 2008 (UTC) :No you're not: [http://tools.wikimedia.de/~purodha/sample/dbswithuser.php?usr=Kasia&go=Go%21&uselang=en] [http://tools.wikimedia.de/~purodha/sample/dbswithuser.php?usr=KatLos&go=Go%21&uselang=en]. I'm not going to block you; have restraint. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:32, 23 January 2008 (UTC) kalmbzsu80hnurzsqu2rkol3l4hb34k 3 148335 4654232 1993358 2026-07-12T18:09:57Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654232 wikitext text/x-wiki <[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 11|older]] [[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 13|newer]]> {{Talkarchive}} {{-}} == Rollbacker status == After reading the policies I am still not sure what Rollbacker status quite is. Could you explain? Thanks, [[User:Laleena|Laleena]] ([[User talk:Laleena|talk]]) 22:50, 24 January 2008 (UTC) :Rollback will allow you to revert the top edit of some user ''and all consecutive edits prior to that by the same user''. As such, it's suited ''only'' to reverting clear vandalism. This can be done in other ways (Twinkle, or simply undoing the edits manually) but this method is faster for the user. Can you suggest how [[Help:Editing#Rollback|Wikibooks:Rollback]] could be improved to be more informative? &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:11, 24 January 2008 (UTC) ::It has a ton of just ''words'', but it's too complex. Over at WP they have the "policy in a nutshell" feature which would make WB policies easier to understand, I think. While I'm at it, though, could you look over the entry for a VEI 9 that I put in over at [[Volcanoes]]? I found it in a book, ask questions if you need to. I'm beginning to satisfy myself with the state of [[Volcanoes]] but not totally :). Cheers, [[User:Laleena|Laleena]] ([[User talk:Laleena|talk]]) 00:25, 25 January 2008 (UTC) :::Well some of it isn't relevant to how the tool actually works - just the paragraph on rollback. In essence, all you need to know is that you can only use it for vandalism, and it will undo from the top revision all consecutive edits of a single user. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:41, 26 January 2008 (UTC) :::I fixed up [[Help:Editing#Rollback|Wikibooks:Rollback]] and [[Wikibooks:Dealing with vandalism]]. They should be much more helpful now. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:21, 27 January 2008 (UTC) ::::It is clearer, yes, but there is still a lot of jargon in it. For example "contribs page" – I know immediately what you mean, but the term should be defined: "For each user there is a contributions page, accessible by..." Also, the admin-only section about bot marking should have an "admin-only" header of some sort to cut down the confusion. One other thing is that you say "in this case you should probably use the delete template" without adequately defining what the case is. The Rollback tool is pretty simple, so it doesn't require a huge write-up, and though I've used it only twice, I have a decent idea what it does. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 17:38, 29 January 2008 (UTC) :::::Thanks, I'll make a point to go back and clarify those parts. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:48, 29 January 2008 (UTC) ==Thanks== For fixing the NC on the Movie making manual. When I had the list down to 3 last year some time, that was one one the ones I dreaded looking at. While we're talking about Naming Convention I wanted to ask your opinion on the programming books. Techinally I don't think all of these break the Naming Convention. However I think that they shouldn't have a colon in their title, becuase we use this for namespaces such as wikijunior... I was wondering about proposing a change to the naming convention which says that colons are disallowed in titles. What do you think? --[[User:AdRiley|AdRiley]] ([[User talk:AdRiley|talk]]) 10:23, 26 January 2008 (UTC) :Yeah, the programming books are on my list. I talked about them a while back (look in my archives) and we decided that instead of being Programming:Language/Chapter they should be Language Programming/Chapter. This is mostly because there is no single book "Programming" with sections on all these different languages - they're entirely separate books. You're right though, I don't think they technically violate it. I don't think we need a new policy proposal to deal with colons in the title; we can just change the title. As well, there may be books with titles like (making one up at random) "Terrorism: A scourge upon the Earth" where the colon is legal as it denotes that the 2nd part is a subtitle, not a chapter. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:38, 26 January 2008 (UTC) == yes... == i saw it. But the definition + the toc is actually a lot more than a lot of Wikiversity pages unfortunately. So in that sense, it might not be bad on Wikiversity and then geared more towards Wikiversity's mission. --[[User:Remi|Remi]] ([[User talk:Remi|talk]]) 17:22, 27 January 2008 (UTC) :Fair enough. Let us know if/when you have it transwikied please. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:57, 27 January 2008 (UTC) == Re:Advanced Interactive Media Class == I already sent the email, so I don't think you need to send another one quite yet. Either way, I don't think we need to delete this book, and we likely should undelete the Future Media Class book as well (so we can reformat it properly). This just goes to show that the differences between WB and WV can be vanishingly small, and sometimes the only difference is the way in which the material is titled. I'm too busy to go into a mad day-long editing frenzy on this book (I wish I could, because my wiki muscle needs the exercise), but I will try to help out a little bit here and there when I can spare the time. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 16:08, 29 January 2008 (UTC) :heh. Too late; me too. I think a rename is in order for both books. I've already started a VFU for [[Future Media Class]], as both were intended to be textbooks. It's just that the students went of the rails a bit, and the teacher wasn't watching. This is unfortunate; perhaps we should do more to encourage class projects to a) let us know they're out there, b) plan things out better and c) ask for help from the community. /me thinks about such things for a while. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:14, 29 January 2008 (UTC) == help with copyright == Hi Mike, I am a new user although the class I am now teaching has been writing Wikibooks for some time (ECI 301 at Old Dominion University). I followed the information provideed on the website for getting permission to use the image I posted. It doesn't list what type of license they are operating under, but I did email the author to try and find out. Here's the info from the website:http://www.phdcomics.com/about.htm Maybe you'd be able to advise me. Can I use one of your comics in my thesis/defense/website or graduate student newsletter? We'll be happy to grant you permission, but you MUST e-mail us at questions(at)phdcomics.com to let us know how and which strips you are using (by sending this email, you obtain official permission to use the images). In all cases, the strips must have the following text printed next to them: "Piled Higher and Deeper" by Jorge Cham www.phdcomics.com <small>—The preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Jenniferjkidd|Jenniferjkidd]] ([[User talk:Jenniferjkidd|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jenniferjkidd|contribs]]) 21:50, January 29, 2008.</small> :Unfortunately licensing like "used with permission" is not permitted here. If you can get the image re-licensed under a free license, then you can use it here. Your other option is to claim fair use (see [[WB:MEDIA]] for how to do this), though this is strongly discouraged. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:26, 29 January 2008 (UTC) ::I have posted a sample Wiki article for my students to use as a sample and from which they can borrow code for the articles they will write over the next three weeks. In my sample article, I have included this image which I am "using with permission". I have already stated in my sample article that I will remove it once the students have finished their final articles and it will not become part of the official text book. This seems to me like a decent rationale for fair use - using it temporarily for the education of students. Can I claim fair use and keep the image until my students have finished creating their articles? [[User:Jenniferjkidd|Jenniferjkidd]] ([[User talk:Jenniferjkidd|talk]]) 03:27, 30 January 2008 (UTC) :::That is absolutely ''not'' a valid rationale for fair use, but I can't delete the image on those grounds for seven days after upload, which means you'll probably get away with it. If this module is an example for your students to follow, I can only envision the headache when they all start uploading images which aren't allowed on Wikibooks. Please replace the image with a freely-licensed one. [[commons:|Commons]] is a huge repository of freely-licensed images, and [http://www.flickr.com/creativecommons/ flikr] allows you to search for images licensed under CreativeCommons licenses (no-derivatives and non-commercial are not permitted!); there is no shortage of freely-licensed images to use. Please set a good example for your students and show them how to use images properly. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:44, 30 January 2008 (UTC) ::::Thanks for working with me on this issue. Help me to understand why this would not be a rationale for fair use. I have been presenting information on my class related to copyright and fair use i.e. I am trying to do the right thing. I want to be sure I understand the laws/regulations in addition to abiding by them.[[User:Jenniferjkidd|Jenniferjkidd]] ([[User talk:Jenniferjkidd|talk]]) 18:23, 30 January 2008 (UTC) :::::Fair use elsewhere might be permitted, but Wikibooks has rules which restrict fair use for this website. Our requirements are similar to that of [[w:|Wikipedia]], and are enumerated at [[WB:MEDIA]]. I think this image falls short on points 1 ("Free license or public domain alternatives aren't available") and 5 ("Deleting a non-free media file would render a book unusable"). There are plenty of other single-panel comics that you could use, and that page could survive without ''any'' image there. If you want something very similar, I suggest you search flikr; Commons is unlikely to have a suitable replacement. Alternatively, you can ask the community at Commons to create a replacement. There's no reason that some artist couldn't create a comic to replace the one you've chosen. Since that page is an example, just about any image would serve the same purpose there, and again, no image whatsoever wouldn't render the example unusable. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:44, 4 February 2008 (UTC) ::::::I see you've visited the page where my illegal picture is shown. I have two sections of a course contributing to this Wikibook. I showed one group my sample page on Friday and the other will see it tomorrow. So far, my mistake is serving as an example of what not to do and in that case may be more powerful that a correct example. So, the fact that this happened has turned into a good teachable moment for my students. I will let the image get deleted as scheduled and this will provide yet another good example of the repercussions of choosing an image which is not public domain or free license. ::::::Can you explain your other point? I should tell students to use Wiki markup instead of html? I tried searching for Wiki codes and had much less success. Html codes seem to work fine. Are there cases when it doesn't? Is there a repository of wiki markup codes and tutorials somewhere?[[User:Jenniferjkidd|Jenniferjkidd]] ([[User talk:Jenniferjkidd|talk]]) 05:31, 5 February 2008 (UTC) outdent Wikimarkup is generally easier to learn, and more flexible than html; that's why we use it. Much html will work as expected, but there are some things which won't. Documentation is at [[Help:Editing]] [[Help:Editing FAQ]] and [[m:How to edit a page]]. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:34, 5 February 2008 (UTC) == [[Wikijunior]], [[Volcanoes]], and [[Earthquakes]] == Think you would be interested in keeping the work going on these Wikibooks projects? Hope you will, they need to go up the scale... [[User:Laleena|Laleena]] ([[User talk:Laleena|talk]]) 00:17, 30 January 2008 (UTC) :I do have one [[Wikijunior:Water Safety|Wikijunior book]] on the go. I haven't edited it much, but I do plan to finish it eventually. :As for [[Volcanoes]] and [[Earthquakes]], I can certainly help with organization, proofreading and the like, but I'm not in a position to be contributing much content for quite some time. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:25, 30 January 2008 (UTC) == Not justified block == This is not promotional. You are in grave error. This is reminder of '''OBSOLETE''' and '''VINTAGE''' Commodore Business Machines and International Business Machines, and is allowed in other wikis. Please remove this unappropiate block, especially because in English and Simple wikis exist CBMIBM accounts such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CBMIBM , http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CBMIBM and http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CBMIBM which are not blocked and have some edit history. These are too my accounts. [[Special:Contributions/CBMIBM|CBMIBM]] ([[User talk:CBMIBM|talk]]) 17:46, 30 January 2008 (UTC) :Indeed. Please unblock him, and try to think more carefully in the future. --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 18:16, 30 January 2008 (UTC) ::I've unblocked him now. --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 20:27, 30 January 2008 (UTC) :Thanks; I would have done the same when I got this message. You're indeed correct that that block was a mistake. In my defense, I was unaware that these products were obsolete. I've left an apology on this user's talk page. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:08, 30 January 2008 (UTC) ::I use CBMIBM nick, because it both reminds obsolete hardware, and too because CBM and IBM rhymes perfectly, looking as brothers of each other. [[User:CBMIBM|CBMIBM]] ([[User talk:CBMIBM|talk]]) 10:13, 31 January 2008 (UTC) ==We should chat== Mike, I know you mean well, but we need new contributors and new content more than we need law and order. --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 20:27, 30 January 2008 (UTC) :I'm not trying to be overbearing on purpose. If you're seeing a pattern of such behaviour, please point it out to me so I can avoid is proactively, instead of simply a complaint after the fact. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:12, 30 January 2008 (UTC) ::I tried to catch up with you a week ago about some things but I've been really busy with real life and the big recruiting efforts at Wikiversity. I know you don't mean to be "overbearing", but I do wish you would take a more gentle approach to people (especially newbies). I know for sure that your heart is in the right place, but sometime's you're a bit quick on the draw. When in doubt, it's often better to leave it alone and come back to it later. --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 23:11, 30 January 2008 (UTC) :::I know the feeling; just coming up on exams starting tomorrow, so I'm swamped myself. I do recognize that I'm often [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:Votes_for_deletion&diff=prev&oldid=1096875 impatient] with some things, but I do try to [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:Votes_for_deletion&diff=prev&oldid=1096878 hold myself back]. I'm not aiming for the whirlwind that is enwikipedia, but I would often like to see evidence that someone other than myself cares about [[Wikibooks:Reading room/General#Fair use again (again)|certain important issues]] (only one example). This doesn't really deal with this particular issue, but more with myself. So yes, I am quick on the draw oftentimes, and yes, it is with the best of intentions, and yes I will try to scratch my itchy trigger finger instead of firing inappropriately (to use an extended metaphor). &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:37, 30 January 2008 (UTC) ::::I do know the feeling, and during my early days as an admin here I felt the same way. The most important thing that we who believe in the project '''all''' have to do (admins or otherwise) is to assume good faith, and be humble when it comes to new ideas and crazy projects that we don't see any future for. You've been a bit short with newbies in a number of other cases too, but ''blocking'' people in a short manner realy moves you from just being another grumpy wikibookian (in good company :-)) to an administrator who is abusing their user rights. Even worse, you are a CheckUser, and that's a big responsibility that should confine you to being even more careful about blocking people. Please just remember that when you block someone, you're blocking a ''person'', and if you block someone who isn't here with the intention of being an asshole you're going to be hurting feelings when you do that. You've done an astounding amount of work clearing backlogs and old business, but please don't forget the mission :). --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 22:52, 31 January 2008 (UTC) == About uploading image (Megauniversity-Turkey) == Dear, Thanks a lot for recoverying our site at that time. I really enjyoed my first experience to create a book with peers. I wanna ask one question, as my format of licence notification of an image was wrong, you deleted. I uploaded again and revised the format of this notification. I wonder whether this version fill the requiement or not. The resource(white version)is provided as free licence and free for editingou , thus I created the image with editing this one..... I am afraid but if you think my format in this time is also not good, would you let me know?? Thank you for your initial help. From Yoko (g096016-wikiID) <small>—The preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:G096016|G096016]] ([[User talk:G096016|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/G096016|contribs]]) 08:36, February 1, 2008.</small> :Yes, it's fine. I had trouble finding a reliable translation of the permissions page from that website, but Google's is close enough to readable that I'm satisfied the maps are in the public domain. Thanks for taking care with this. Happy editing! &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:36, 4 February 2008 (UTC) == [[User:212.62.97.23|This user]] == I noticed you blocked this user, here's everything I know about him: :''removed for brevity'' What do you think? [[User:Laleena|Laleena]] ([[User talk:Laleena|talk]]) 01:57, 4 February 2008 (UTC) :Port 80 open <s>but filtered</s>; returns a 403. Unblocked. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:27, 4 February 2008 (UTC) == [[Special:Recentchanges|Recentchanges]] == Hello. Could you please browse through Recent Changes and check? I will be on a Wikibreak, beginning tomorrow, could you expand [[Volcanoes]] and [[Earthquakes]], also, how do I know what my IP address is, could you look it up? Thanks, [[User:Laleena|Laleena]] ([[User talk:Laleena|talk]]) 22:57, 4 February 2008 (UTC) :I regularly patrol RC both on-wiki and through IRC. I am in the middle of exams, and don't have time to contribute content, hence my low editing rate. You can check your IP address by going to http://whatismyip.com/ &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:00, 4 February 2008 (UTC) ::Thanks :). I guess I'll just get to work on some other stuff, not excluding. Thanks again, [[User:Laleena|Laleena]] ([[User talk:Laleena|talk]]) 23:34, 4 February 2008 (UTC) == Trademarks as usernames == I saw your post at [[User:Hyundai|Hyundai]] [[User_talk:Hyundai|talkpage]] and even if I understand the rational and reasons for it I noticed that you didn't include any reference to a policy about the issue, is there one? (The question is that failing to be clear and have a common ground for making such request could become problematic. I personally don't see a problem in a use choosing to actively promote or even demote a trademark, logging as I_hate_MS or Hyundai_fan or a myriad of possible "well behaviored" alias, even extending this into the political activism field without being crass or abusive of others, corporations, or other types of non personal entities shouldn't receive the same protection status, and will not react emotionally to any statement). The best a quick search revealed on the subject was [[Wikibooks:No offensive usernames]] (rejected) and [[Wikipedia:Username policy]] (that is not enforcible here). I agree that using exact trademarks should be abolished but do not agree with that the promotional side you mentioned on the post should be a problem... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 03:19, 5 February 2008 (UTC) :Well, as I said, it is my personal opinion, not policy (though I strongly believe it should be). You're correct, there's no policy or guideline I'm aware of, save common decency. As for corporations not getting hurt feelings, I'm actually ''delighted'' to hear someone other than myself make the claim that corporations are not people. That said, their trademarks should still be respected. However, my main concern with that username (and the one I blocked erroneously, as you can see a few sections up) is from a conflict of interest standpoint. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:46, 5 February 2008 (UTC) ::The "request" to the user is a bit heavy handed. You aren't clear that it only reflects your personal view point and that you are open to be challenged on the issue. Remember that you start referring to a block and then mention that he otherwise will lose his edits attributions. It was that stance that made me question the bases for a request on those terms. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 04:08, 5 February 2008 (UTC) :::"I was about to" implies that I considered and rejected that option. "You're more than welcome to continue contributing" and "Please ask..." are not particularly heavy-handed, I don't think. Considering that this user is editing modules concerning products manufactured by Hyundai, I think there's ample reason to be concerned about the username. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 04:18, 5 February 2008 (UTC) ::::I understood the text but again state that it is not clear if the use is obliged to comply to it. the "You're more than welcome to continue contributing" isn't clear if after the change or even if he doesn't change the alias for instance. ::::I only calling your attention that it can have other interpretations and that your concerns beyond a use of a trademark in itself aren't understood and probably shared. I haven't read his edits and have only patrolled some pages about bicycles (I don't even know if Hyundai builds those) but in any case I see the name/content relation non problematic (beyond what I already stated and you agreed) as for the content any conflict of interests that could rise would fall inside the NPOV rule of the contributions. Would you consider a conflict of interest if you stated contributing to a book about lifeguards ? or is your preoccupation not on the alias he uses but on neutrality of the content ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 04:37, 5 February 2008 (UTC) :::::No, because "Lifeguard" doesn't imply partisanship. If my username was "Lifesaving Society" or "JEA" or "Red Cross" or somesuch, then yes, there'd be a problem. NPOV is a separate issue. If I had the username "Lifesaving Society" and I were writing about lifeguarding, then there would be a conflict of interest (or at least the appearance of one) independently of whether my contributions were neutral, verifiable, etc. Similarly, I could write without a neutral POV on lifeguarding with any other name which doesn't imply partisanship (such as "Mike.lifeguard"). So yes, the NPOV issue arises, but it's separate from any COI issue with respect to a username (though the username issue may indicate a NPOV problem, and usually does). :::::I hesitate to call it a "preoccupation" but my concern is both. Usernames often reveal a conflict of interest. In the case you see above, I was way off-base, and there was no COI whatsoever. In this case, there probably isn't either (so I didn't block). Nevertheless, even the ''appearance'' of a COI should be scrupulously avoided. If these concerns aren't shared, that's fine, but IMO a Bad Thing. :::::I'm off to bed; feel free to amend my message to [[User:Hyundai]] if you like. Since you're the second person to take issue with my thinking here in as many days, I won't be pressing the issue, and consider it closed. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 04:55, 5 February 2008 (UTC) ::::::Ok I'll post below you and state that he is free to keep the name but should at least consider an alias change or clarify his position in is user page and will attempt to make a point about NPOV. ::::::We are all busy and sometimes time doesn't lend it self to be used in details and we can be misunderstood, I still have problems with the distinctions you make on invested interests but I don't see how there could be any harm to Wikibooks without violating the NPOV rule. ::::::I could debate the issue more with you. Will add just this: Users here tend to be anonymous, even making assumptions about a username can be dangerous and appearances are often deceiving, by policy we should expect all to have the best intentions, it is far more probable that one with bad intentions would use guile and subterfuge for such functions. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 05:51, 5 February 2008 (UTC) == Subject Page Updating == Shouldn't this page [[Subject:Languages]] update automatically? Currently it contains a lot of Arabic module pages for no apparent reason. [[User:Recent Runes|Recent Runes]] ([[User talk:Recent Runes|talk]]) 12:57, 5 February 2008 (UTC) :Yes, the lists are dynamic, however caching may cause out-of-date information to be displayed. Try purging the server cache by appending ?action=purge to the URL for the page like this: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Subject:Languages?action=purge As well many books are categorized "improperly" so that all modules appear. The solution is to re-categorize the modules, ensuring that only the top page has the category corresponding to the Subject: page. This often involves bot work. If you leave a list of books which appear on Subject: pages incorrectly, I can have a go later in the week. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 14:53, 5 February 2008 (UTC) I think the purge has helped a lot, so the clean-up I did on the Arabic book is shown properly now. [[User:Recent Runes|Recent Runes]] ([[User talk:Recent Runes|talk]]) 21:23, 5 February 2008 (UTC) == And another one == After seeing your conversation with Panic above, I thought I'd look through some of your other contribs. From what I could tell without actually undeleting, the contribs of [[User:Freemoneybuy]] were not necessarily bad faith either. Bad use of naming convention? Yes. Contemptuous subject? Well, I would say so, but who am I to judge! Looks like you blocked him and mass deleted his contribs because you disapproved of the subject he was writing about. I'm not fond of that way of making money, but (a) it's not illegal, and (b) it might be interesting to know how people do that (since I am often perplexed by keyword-laden spams and websites). --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 22:59, 5 February 2008 (UTC) :You might want to look at the content of those pages, as there's nothing particularly objectionable there. However, they were all dumps of wikihow content, which is GFDL-incompatible. Furthermore, freemoneybuy is one of those stupid sites which is a regularly associated with spam and is basically running a fraud scheme. Interestingly, the site is down, but Google has cached versions if you care to take a look. :There is no shortage of content I object to on Wikibooks, but I haven't unilaterally deleted any of it because I have [[User:Mike.lifeguard/Integrity|integrity]]. This wouldn't be an example of such content in any case. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:18, 5 February 2008 (UTC) ::Ah ok :). You didn't leave any deletion comments (or much of a block comment, to be honest), so it's hard for someone to get the story when looking into things. We joked a while back about trying to get Willy on Wheels to write a wikibook on how he manages to be such a crafty pain in the ass (where he finds his OPs, how he decides what pages to hit, etc.)... same theme for me. --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 00:10, 6 February 2008 (UTC) :::lol. I'd read that book... and use it to thwart him ;) &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:33, 6 February 2008 (UTC) == Tremblantchat copyright problems. == Hi Mike. I thought I might let you know about something regarding your Tremblant page. Recently a website called www.tremblantchat.com was added to the links. There is a problem with this website and their teenage owners. I own/run www.tremblant-insider.com The main owners of tremblantchat were banned from my website after they maliciously attacked a members sexuality. It was bad. They signed up under names like "russsuckscock" JBtakesitintheass" etc. So I had to ban them for life. It got really really bad. So because of this they came up with tremblantchat.com to basically trash my site. They have stolen pictures and videos of mine, and trademarks. Not a good group of kids to be listed on your site. I thought you should know this. <small>—The preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:24.122.154.174|24.122.154.174]] ([[User talk:24.122.154.174|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/24.122.154.174|contribs]]) 15:50, February 7, 2008.</small> :I [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mont_Tremblant_Resort&diff=prev&oldid=189769015 removed] part of the Wikipedia article, but not for the reason you stated. Wikipedia is not a battleground for this conflict; the section was removed because it's unencyclopedic. In the future, please note that you can fix things like this yourself, and that you'd do better to contact a Wikipedia editor if you need help on that wiki. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:59, 7 February 2008 (UTC) == "Clock Recovery", to be ported from Wikipedia to Wikibooks. == Dear Mike, I am doing the porting, page by page (it was me who wrote those pages in the first place!!) I am not able to use Transwiki, therefore I am in the middle of the porting. It is time consuming, but it offers me the opportunity of revising the material, completing it and adding a few pages that were still missing in the Wikipedia version. Please leave me the necessary time, and remove the Transwiki stuff for clock recovery in the meantime (I do not know how to do that!!!) Thanks Andrea ([[User:BORGATO Pierandrea|BORGATO Pierandrea]] ([[User talk:BORGATO Pierandrea|talk]]) 14:35, 8 February 2008 (UTC)) :If you're the only author, and you're happy with having the attribution as-is, then that's fine. If there's stuff in the Transwiki: namespace that needs to be deleted, just add {{tlx|delete|reason}} to the top of the page; an admin will come along and take care of it. Thanks. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 14:38, 8 February 2008 (UTC) ==Character names== Collecting character names has been my passion for several years. Sometimes I'll go through baby name popularity lists for a country (such as Canada, France, Sweden or Japan) and add all the names to that ehtnicity's list. I'll often scour through lists of people in a certain country or ethnic group (such as an Italian donor list, a list of students at a Lithuanian university, a list of Sierra Leonean terrorism victims or the membership list of an Iranian club) and figure out the most common names, adding them all to my lists. For surnames the U.S. census' list is helpful -- I just have to do research to figure out which name fits into which ethnic group. Baby name books are also a source. Ciao! [[User:Cilantrohead|Cilantrohead]] ([[User talk:Cilantrohead|talk]]) 17:57, 9 February 2008 (UTC) :Cool beans. Have you read the section on child naming in [[w:Freakonomics|Freakonomics]]? &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:03, 9 February 2008 (UTC) ::I've never read the book, but I have seen a discussion of its name trend projections on the Internet. It says names like Aviva will become popular in a few years. [[User:Cilantrohead|Cilantrohead]] ([[User talk:Cilantrohead|talk]]) 18:04, 9 February 2008 (UTC) == Copyright again == Hi Mike, I am unsure if I'm doing this correctly, so please forgive my ignorance. You asked for the information regarding [[:Image:ChefFredSalad.jpg]]. I found the photo on the Wiki Commons page and from there, in a gov't site. I then emailed the owner, and asked for permission to use it - the response said it was fine, but to cite the photo and credit ''County Television Network''. What else do I need to do to ensure all rights are being followed? [[User:Dnichols|Dnichols]] ([[User talk:Dnichols|talk]]) 02:58, 10 February 2008 (UTC) :I've moved the image to [[commons:|Commons]]; permission emails should be forwarded to [[m:OTRS|OTRS]] at [mailto:permissions-commons@wikimedia.org permissions-commons@wikimedia.org]. Once verified, I think it should be fine. If not, Commons has many free images ([[:Image:Salad platter02.jpg]] for example). I also notice you haven't given credit to ''County Television Network''; please do so on the image description page, along with a URL to the website you got it from. Thanks. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:50, 10 February 2008 (UTC) Ok - I tried to upload the information to the image description page, but I'm not sure where it goes, exactly. Please forgive my ineptitude. I posted the entire citation on the page, but am sure it is supposed to go somewhere else. I'll forward the email to the Commons site you stated in the previous response. Thank you! [[User:Dnichols|Dnichols]] ([[User talk:Dnichols|talk]]) 02:17, 11 February 2008 (UTC) :Yeah, I saw that. That'll be fine as long as the email gets forwarded to the address above for confirmation. Thanks! &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:39, 11 February 2008 (UTC) Hi Dionne, Thanks for taking the time to do this correctly. You are setting a good example for all the students in our course. [[User:Jenniferjkidd|Jenniferjkidd]] ([[User talk:Jenniferjkidd|talk]]) 15:34, 12 February 2008 (UTC) == Two books we're adapting to fit community guidelines more appropriately. == Mike, As time allows, I'm editing in Future Media and Advanced Interactive Media Books to better comply to wikibook guidelines. Thanks for changing the names for both books right away. I'm using this link: http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target to search my student's edits for each of these books. Is there a way I can enter a student's user ID and see every edit a particular student has made in ONE wikibook? I'm going module by module so far and it's tedious. Part of their class grade is based on wiki edits so I don't want to miss anything once they've logged in. Any suggestions? PS Will your feedback show up only in your "talk" pages or on mine as well? I want to learn how to use this wiki communication feature, but don't want to miss your feedback. Don Eland doneland@oru.edu <small>—The preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:AiClassEland|AiClassEland]] ([[User talk:AiClassEland|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/AiClassEland|contribs]]) 21:06, February 10, 2008.</small> :You can click the ''watch'' tab on the top of this page to add it to your watchlist. Then, in the top right corner there is a ''[[Special:Watchlist|my watchlist]]'' link, which will show you edits to pages on your watchlist; you can use this feature to see when I make edits to this page, such as this reply. :There is no way of getting that information from the software as-is, but there is at least one workaround. Again in the top right, there is a ''[[Special:Preferences|my preferences]]'' link. There, you can click the ''Gadgets'' tab, check off ''Logs filter'' and hit save at the bottom. On certain pages (including [[Special:Contributions]]) you'll get a ''filter'' tab at the top of the page. You can then filter or highlight the results on the page. So if you enter the title of a module, and filter, you'll see only their edits to that module. Unfortunately, this may not work with all browsers (it is tested to work in [[w:Firefox|Firefox]]). :Another method is to use one of several tools hosted on the [[m:Toolserver|toolserver]]. [http://tools.wikimedia.de/~daniel/WikiSense/Contributors.php Contributors] can approximate the effect you want, using the ''group by contributor'' option. Specify ''en'' for language and ''wikibooks.org'' for the project along with the module name. Note that this tool uses an out-of-date copy of the wiki, which is currently about 1.5 weeks behind the current state of Wikibooks. :Hope one of those will work for you. If not, come on back & we'll try to figure something out. :Last thing: Please sign messages on talk pages using four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>); the software will automatically turn that into a signature and timestamp so it's easy to see who said what and when. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:27, 10 February 2008 (UTC) :Sorry, the toolserver tool doesn't do what you want - it will just list how many edits a certain user has done to a particular page. I don't think there is another tool which does what you want. But perhaps we should find someone to make one for this purpose... &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:28, 10 February 2008 (UTC) == Formating options for print version == Where to find the list of formating options for a print version? Simple question: how to set a page breack? --[[User:Rudolf0100|Rudolf]] ([[User talk:Rudolf0100|talk]]) 23:47, 10 February 2008 (UTC) :The template {{tlx|-}} might work. Otherwise, you'll do better to ask another user. [[User:Whiteknight]] would be a good choice; he does lots of work with print versions. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:08, 11 February 2008 (UTC) == Deletions == Thanks! '''[[User:Neoptolemus|Νεοπτόλεμος]]''' 04:56, 11 February 2008 (UTC) :No problem. Always good to be rid of orphaned redirects. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 13:19, 11 February 2008 (UTC) ==[[:Transwiki:Introduction to metrics, norms and inner products]]== Thanks. [[User:Proto|Proto]] ([[User talk:Proto|talk]]) 13:28, 11 February 2008 (UTC) == [[Wikijunior:World at work|World at work]] == Could you please vote on this book's FB nom? Thanks, [[User:Laleena|Laleena]] ([[User talk:Laleena|talk]]) 00:22, 12 February 2008 (UTC) :I did, but I'd prefer if you didn't canvass in the future. Specifically, do not canvass ''me'' as I will see all nominations on my watchlist and will voice my opinions if I want to. Thanks for your consideration. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:45, 12 February 2008 (UTC) ::Sorry Mike :). I didn't realize that was a problem. Thanks, [[User:Laleena|Laleena]] ([[User talk:Laleena|talk]]) 22:12, 12 February 2008 (UTC) == Revert == Thanks but I leave junk like that around. It never bothers me & explains blocks (& reminds me to keep an eye on the IP :)). Cheers --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 13:51, 13 February 2008 (UTC) :OK, sure. The IRC bot does that for me since I patrol from there. /me remembers for the future. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 13:59, 13 February 2008 (UTC) qwze1bsibc381v6rco3treci188ls4m 3 150876 4654233 1130078 2026-07-12T18:11:06Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654233 wikitext text/x-wiki <[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 12|older]] [[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 14|newer]]> {{Talkarchive}} {{-}} == Name == Hi Mike I'm just writing to let you know that I've changed my name from Urbane to [[User:Reece|Reece]]. Hope this doesnt cause too much confusion. [[User:Reece|<span style="color:black"><b>Reece</b></span>]] [[User talk:Reece|<span style="color:green"><small>(Talk)</small></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Reece|<span style="color:green"><small>(Contributions)</small></span>]] 15:08, 13 February 2008 (UTC) :Thanks for letting me know. I probably would have become very confused before figuring it out :P Is Reece your real name? &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:35, 13 February 2008 (UTC) ::Yep, it is :) I've been wanting to use it for a while, just been so busy up until recently. [[User:Reece|<span style="color:black"><b>Reece</b></span>]] [[User talk:Reece|<span style="color:green"><small>(Talk)</small></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Reece|<span style="color:green"><small>(Contributions)</small></span>]] 18:51, 13 February 2008 (UTC) == WV bot request == Hi Mike! Just a short ont this time. See the diff here: http://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ASB_Johnny%2Fsandbox_8&diff=214768&oldid=214767 You should be able to "grab/replace" the <code>BCP/ </code> and replace with <code><nowiki>{{bcp+|</nowiki></code>, and then just add <code><nowiki>}}</nowiki></code> to the end of the line. In case you're wondering, we're trying to get a master list of all the BCP profile pages going, to make it easier for folks to find them. Thanks! --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 13:02, 14 February 2008 (UTC) :Oh, oops :). I'll unblock the bot if you promise not to run it in that manner. As I said before, Wikiversitains tend not to look very kindly on being told what to do or how to do it. --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 16:38, 14 February 2008 (UTC) ::Sure can. Ping me when it's done & I'll get started. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:51, 14 February 2008 (UTC) :::Okay, unblocked. Whenever you get a chance :). --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 16:53, 15 February 2008 (UTC) ::::{{done}}, I think. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:09, 15 February 2008 (UTC) == Education graph == Hi Mike, this is a late response to your question on my education graph. It is from the US department of Education at http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/dailyarchive.asp I also left a response to your message on my talk page.[[User:Shellysimonds|Shellysimonds]] ([[User talk:Shellysimonds|talk]]) 15:02, 15 February 2008 (UTC) :Great; I've added the source to the image page & everything is fine. Thanks! &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:44, 15 February 2008 (UTC) == WB bot request == Hi Mike. If you have time for a larger run on Wikibooks (please do the Wikiversity one first... there's more of a deadline for that!), here's the scoop: *For all pages in [[:Category:Garden plants]], [[:Category:Garden perennials]], and [[:Category:Garden plant genera]] *#Place the template {{tl|WMOG-header}} on the first line of each page (should share the same line as the beginning brackets of {{tl|hortibox}} and similar). It needs to use the subpagename as the variable, but '''not''' using the magic word (<nowiki>{{SUBPAGENAME}}</nowiki>), because this template is in part used to add headings to print versions (and so the magic word wouldn't work!). *#Replace the category tag (e.g., <nowiki>[[Category:Garden plants|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]]</nowiki>) with the following text: <!-- <pre> {{Horticat (add "y" where applicable)| | taxa level (family, genus, species, variety) = | large tree = | small tree = | large shrub = | small shrub = | woody vine = | herbaceous vine = | herbaceous plant = | herbaceous ground cover = | woody ground cover = | aquatic = | evergreen = | ephemeral = | spring flowers = | summer flowers = | fall flowers = | winter flowers = | weedy or agressive = | perennial = | annual = | biennial = | full shade = | part shade = | full sun = | drought tolerant = | wet soil tolerant = | quality nectar source = | attracts songbirds = | attracts hummingbirds = | attracts butterflies = | fruit or vegetable = | culinary herb = | edible flower = | medicinal uses = | good for cut flowers = | good for cut fruit = | good for dried cut flowers = | good fragrance = | pest and disease resistant = | deer resistant = | frequently deer browsed = | North America native = | North America invasive = | South America native = | South America invasive = | Europe native = | Europe invasive = | Asia native = | Asia invasive = | Africa native = | Africa invasive = | Australia native = | Australia invasive = | USDA 1 = | USDA 2 = | USDA 3 = | USDA 4 = | USDA 5 = | USDA 6 = | USDA 7 = | USDA 8 = | USDA 9 = | USDA 10 = | USDA 11 = | USDA 12 = | white flowers = | pink flowers = | red flowers = | orange flowers = | yellow flowers = | green flowers = | blue flowers = | purple flowers = | brown flowers = | black flowers = | poisonous to humans = | poisonous to livestock or pets = | silver or gray leaves = | red or purple leaves = | yellow leaves = | blue leaves = | variegated white = | variegated yellow = | variegated multicolor = | horticat template version (used for robitic updates) = 7.12.13 }} </pre> --> That'll do it :). Don't fill in any of the fields BTW... I'm going to follow along using a dud category the template will create when the first field isn't answered. Thanks in advance, and I hope your exam went well! --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 17:13, 15 February 2008 (UTC) :WHOA! That's a mightly large template :) I can probably do that one tonight. The exam did go quite well, thanks for asking. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:16, 15 February 2008 (UTC) ::OK, this one might be a bit tricky. For 1, I think <nowiki>{{subst:SUBPAGENAME}}</nowiki> should work for the parameter; I will test this shortly. 2 is easy beans. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:11, 15 February 2008 (UTC) ::Yup, it works, so no problems there. Starting now in two runs for simplicity's sake. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:12, 15 February 2008 (UTC) ::Sorry, I need to know whether you want the subcats included in this too. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:14, 15 February 2008 (UTC) :::No, just those categories. The other two use a different sort of organization (though I'll have bot requests for them as well later, stay tuned :-)). Eventually all of the cats for that book will be from templates only, but I need to make a couple more versions of horticat ({{tl|horticat-topic}} is the only other variant so far). --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 20:56, 15 February 2008 (UTC) :There's a few problems... don't do any more until I can figure it out. Some of them are ending up with double templates (top and/or bottom). --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 12:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC) ::[[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] '''Done''' with problems, apparently. If you provide a diff or two it'd help. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:22, 16 February 2008 (UTC) == Image Deletion == I dont even understand the rationale behind the tagging of the image. I have been a Wikipedian for a fairly long amount of time and I have a fairly good knowledge of Wiki's fair use rationale. -[[User:Ravichandar84|Ravichandar84]] ([[User talk:Ravichandar84|talk]]) 17:47, 15 February 2008 (UTC) The copyright notice itself states: ''This is a screenshot of copyrighted computer software, and the copyright for it is most likely held by the author or the company that created the software. '''It is believed that the use of a limited number of web-resolution screenshots for identification of and critical commentary on the software in question on the English-language Wikibooks, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation, qualifies as fair use under United States copyright law.''' ''-[[User:Ravichandar84|Ravichandar84]] ([[User talk:Ravichandar84|talk]]) 17:51, 15 February 2008 (UTC) :[[foundation:Resolution:Licensing policy|Foundation policy]] states that fair use images must have a rationale. That template simply states "Yes, it meets fair use criteria" - the rationale states ''why'' that is true. For example, [[:Image:Website Admin Security Roles.JPG]] could get a rationale like <pre>{{Fairuse rationale |book = ASP.NET/Roles |source = whatever the source is |not free = This screenshot shows proprietary software, so no free alternative is possible. |rationale = There is no other way to illustrate the module's subject, and illustration is required for the module to be effective as an instructional resource. }} </pre> :I hope that clears it up, but feel free to come back again. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:55, 15 February 2008 (UTC) :: Okay I am sorry. I did'nt understand your message. Anyway thanks for clearing my doubts :-) -[[User:Ravichandar84|Ravichandar84]] ([[User talk:Ravichandar84|talk]]) 17:59, 15 February 2008 (UTC) :::Well it's important that the template message isn't misunderstood; do you mind suggesting some changes to the message either on your talk page or the one on the image page? &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:08, 15 February 2008 (UTC) Is this okay: <pre> {{Information |Description=Snapshot of ASP.NET Web Administration Tool |Source=Self-Created Image |Date=14-02-2008 |Author=Ravichandar Krishnamurthy |Permission= |other_versions= }} </pre><pre> {{Fairuse rationale |book = ASP.NET/Roles |source = Self-made |not free = This screenshot shows proprietary software, so no free alternative is possible. |rationale = There is no other way to illustrate the module's subject, and illustration is required for the module to be effective as an instructional resource. }} </pre> -[[User:Ravichandar84|Ravichandar84]] ([[User talk:Ravichandar84|talk]]) 18:23, 15 February 2008 (UTC) :Looks good; thanks! Please double-check that all your fair use images have something similar (I suspect you could probably copy-paste those templates to all of them). &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:34, 15 February 2008 (UTC) :: Hmmm. The details are identical. All are snapshots. Only the filename varies. Hence I felt the same rationale without any changes was applicable to all -[[User:Ravichandar84|Ravichandar84]] ([[User talk:Ravichandar84|talk]]) 06:31, 16 February 2008 (UTC) :::Yup, for a lot of images like that the rationale can be repeated since we'll often have a single module that uses a bunch of images that are included for the same reason. That's fine; if the images have the same rationale, then so be it. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:24, 16 February 2008 (UTC) ME too. I took a screen shot and it came up with that. It isn't even software.[[User:Desalvionjr|Desalvionjr]] ([[User talk:Desalvionjr|talk]]) 20:40, 18 February 2008 (UTC) :Sorry, I don't understand what you're asking. {{tlx|Screenshot}} can be used instead. License tags are listed in [[:Category:License tags]] and subcategories. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:54, 18 February 2008 (UTC) == Yup, I wanna transfer it to a new location == Well, firstly, thanks for your offer. Yes, I do wish to move the book to a new location. Again, thanks -[[User:Ravichandar84|Ravichandar84]] ([[User talk:Ravichandar84|talk]]) 18:22, 15 February 2008 (UTC) :I am trying to write a new bot to do this so it's easier than the method I'm currently using. I'll wait until it's done unless this takes a long time. Probably this weekend. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:35, 15 February 2008 (UTC) == Thanks == Thanks Mike Changes made to [[Introduction to Physical Science]]. Cheers --[[User:J.M.Pearce|J.M.Pearce]] ([[User talk:J.M.Pearce|talk]]) 21:09, 15 February 2008 (UTC) :It's looking a lot better. I look forward to seeing this project grow. I may even contribute to it when I have some time. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:17, 15 February 2008 (UTC) == Votes for deletion == Thanks for listing that. I haven't got a login, and don't want to at the moment. But I may do soon. --[[Special:Contributions/82.42.237.84|82.42.237.84]] ([[User talk:82.42.237.84|talk]]) 22:40, 15 February 2008 (UTC) == subst: == Hey Mike, would you check out my [[User:Neoptolemus/Sandbox|sandbox]]? I just tried to warn a vandal and put my signature in the template (<nowiki>{{subst:test|~~~~}}</nowiki>), but it came out as just a link to my E-mail. If I don't subst the template, it works out fine. I've done both in my sandbox. Any idea what's up? <nowiki>{{SUBST:User|Neoptolemus|'''Νεοπτόλεμος'''}}</nowiki> is my signature, is that causing the problem? [[User:Neoptolemus|'''Νεοπτόλεμος''']] ( [[User talk:Neoptolemus|talk]] | [[Special:Emailuser/Neoptolemus|email]] | [[Special:Contributions/Neoptolemus|contribs]] ) 01:38, 16 February 2008 (UTC) :You need to change | (the pipe character) to <nowiki>&#124;</nowiki> whenever it's supposed to appear as clear text, otherwise the parser thinks that there are additional parameters to the template, and it doesn't render properly. Also, you should put the wiki markup that is generated by that template for your sig into the signature box in [[Special:Preferences|''my preferences'']]; this avoids some server load, since the template must be called every time you use your signature. Hope that helps. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:47, 16 February 2008 (UTC) ::Fixed now, thanks! [[User:Neoptolemus|'''Νεοπτόλεμος''']] ( [[User talk:Neoptolemus|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Neoptolemus|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Neoptolemus|contribs]] ) 01:58, 16 February 2008 (UTC) == Thank You! == You are such the Wiki-God! Thank you for all your advice and guidance on Student-Generated Text! I am so much more comfortable with my topic now and am on my way! Thank you again!![[User:Cmcnulty6497|Cmcnulty6497]] ([[User talk:Cmcnulty6497|talk]]) 14:56, 16 February 2008 (UTC) :No problem. If you guys need help later, you know where to find me. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:19, 16 February 2008 (UTC) == A request == Can you welcome me? Thanks, [[User:Slade|Slade]] <sup>[[m:User:Slade|meta]]</sup> 21:14, 16 February 2008 (UTC) :Thank you! Isn't better if the welcome box uses the whole screen, besides just the left part? Greets, [[User:Slade|Slade]] <sup>[[m:User:Slade|meta]]</sup> 03:52, 17 February 2008 (UTC) ::We wanted to keep the welcome message short and to the point. If you want to propose changes, [[Template talk:Welcome]] is the place. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:20, 17 February 2008 (UTC) == Re:Making decisions == Sorry Mike :(. I didn't realize I had been making poor choices. In fact, I am going to quit closing VfDs altogether. I'll keep putting up calls to close, however. Thoughts? [[User:Laleena|Laleena]] ([[User talk:Laleena|talk]]) 13:27, 17 February 2008 (UTC) :There's really no need for reminders, but I have no specific objections to it if you want to do that. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:06, 17 February 2008 (UTC) == Regarding [[WB:AWB|Auto Wiki Browser]] == Well, I've read that AWB could be used in Wikibooks. But no other specification is available. I am a Wikipedian and a registered user of AWB. I just wanted to know if I could use AWB in Wikibooks and if In can then how could I use it. If not, then what is the procedure for resgiatering. Do we need to download an alternate version of AWB to get Wikibooks at startup. -[[User:Ravichandar84|Ravichandar84]] ([[User talk:Ravichandar84|talk]]) 14:27, 17 February 2008 (UTC) :Yes, AWB works here without a check page. I'd actually recommend having a separate account for semi-automated edits, which can then be easily flagged if it becomes a problem. Since we have no check page, you'll probably have access to the bot tab. You can ask for a bot flag at [[WB:RFP]], but it probably won't be given unless you're going to be flooding RC. We technically don't have a policy, but if you pretend that [[WB:BOT]] is policy that should do just fine. Keep in mind there are many WP-specific features that won't work here; if you have any usage questions, I can try to help. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:18, 17 February 2008 (UTC) == Reg Deletions == I scanned the pages thoroughly for any broken links but could not find any. I even moved the [[Template:.NET Framework 3.0]] to [[Template:Introduction to .NET Framework 3.0]]. Kindly notify me about the broken links present. Thanks :-) -[[User:Ravichandar84|Ravichandar84]] ([[User talk:Ravichandar84|talk]]) 18:54, 22 February 2008 (UTC) :Broken links can be found at [[Special:Brokenredirects]], but have all been cleaned up by now. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:28, 1 March 2008 (UTC) :Sorry, I think we both meant [[Special:DoubleRedirects]]. What happened though is that you marked some redirects for deletions, but there were pages which redirected to them. ie you wanted B to be deleted in A->B->C; doing so would break the link at A. Please make sure that when marking redirects for deletion that they are orphaned (ie there are no pages which link to them). &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:33, 1 March 2008 (UTC) == Templates == Mike are the templates on my userpage acceptable they're the same templates i use on wikipedia. <span style="color:Black">[[User:Terra|'''Terra''']]</span> <sup><span style="color:black">[[User talk:Terra|''Who are you?'']]</span></sup> 19:01, 26 February 2008 (UTC) :Looks fine to me. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:28, 1 March 2008 (UTC) 28vy8uxwjpt7zh8528scuqkzx51r4tj 3 151742 4654234 1143918 2026-07-12T18:11:09Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654234 wikitext text/x-wiki <[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 13|older]] [[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 15|newer]]> {{Talkarchive}} {{-}} == History == Thanks for the invite, and the merge. The content was worth preserving in some way, I will try to 'bookify' it. I have a couple of other ideas for new books, but will find my around way here by adding to current content. See you around, [[User talk:Cygnis insignis|Cygnis insignis]] 05:52, 2 March 2008 (UTC) :I looked around for a model to fix the transwikied page, I tried to fix the links in this one [[A Wikimanual of Gardening/Digitalis]]. It appears that something, maybe the circular ref in the Pest and diseases section, is breaking the code further down the page. Let me know if you see what the problem is. [[User talk:Cygnis insignis|Cygnis insignis]] 06:56, 2 March 2008 (UTC) ::Looks like the problem was a transcluded redirect, which I [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=A_Wikimanual_of_Gardening/Pests_and_Diseases_of_Digitalis&diff=prev&oldid=1128252 fixed]. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 07:06, 2 March 2008 (UTC) :Cheers. I made a bit of start on [[A Wikimanual of Gardening/Cephalotus|''Cephalotus'']], I will read some more of the help pages and have another go later. I have noted that there is a project for this book, a useful quick start. Regards, [[User talk:Cygnis insignis|Cygnis insignis]] 15:00, 2 March 2008 (UTC) ==Naming Conventions== Hello Mike. The Naming Convention list is looking good! Was going to try and clear it down some more. What is the plan with the programming books? Were we going to rename them without a : in the title? --[[User:AdRiley|AdRiley]] ([[User talk:AdRiley|talk]]) 12:28, 3 March 2008 (UTC) :Yeah, I've been doing Programming:Language to Language Programming, and nobody's yelled at me yet :) &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 14:21, 3 March 2008 (UTC) == GMAX and Trainz book == GMAX is free software used to create 3d Models. Widely used in Trainz, a computer simulator for trains and also Microsoft Flight Simulator. Trainz has a tradition of user created content, roughly 100,000 free items at the last count. The Trainz book has a number of objectives the part I'm concentrating on is tutorials for creating content. Since ideas evolve as does the software Wikibooks is ideal since corrections can be added to tutorials at a later date. I should update the book to add the source for GMAX and the exporters. All my images are screen shots created by myself and hopefully I have tagged them correctly. I understand that screen shot images are more expensive to store and download than text but in this case there is very little alternative. Cheerio John<small>—The preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Johnwhelan|Johnwhelan]] ([[User talk:Johnwhelan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Johnwhelan|contribs]]) 22:15, March 3, 2008.</small> :There's no problem with the screenshots except they have no [[Template:fairuse rationale|rationale]]. You can probably get away with copy-pasting a few over all the images since they're all used in basically the same way. You'll need one for the Windows screenshots, one for the GMAX screenshots, and one for the rest. If you do one image of each with an appropriate rationale, I'll fix the rest for you. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:38, 4 March 2008 (UTC) I've just uploaded resize4.jpg and think I've put in a correct rationale. Could you verify this for me. I'm more than happy to edit the others but at the moment although I can see the description in the file list I'm unable to see how to edit it. Cheerio John :I [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Image:Resize4.jpg&diff=1129950&oldid=1129876 fixed it up] a bit. The rationale had the wrong module and was missing |not free= and I added {{tlx|Information}}. If you want to do them all yourself, go for it. Again, you can probably copy-paste what's on this one onto the rest of the screenshots with minimal modification (ie the module its used in might have to change, but that's it). :As well, you have to edit the image description pages - don't reupload the images, as that won't work. Just hit the ''edit'' tab to edit the page, copy in the code from [[:Image:Resize4.jpg]], modify it as necessary and hit ''save''. Hope this helps! &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:41, 4 March 2008 (UTC) If I go special pages, list files I can see the files with their description, I don't see an edit tab to edit the description. If I look at the book I can edit the page on which the screen shots appear but that doesn't allow me to edit the description as far as I can see. Since I wasn't certain where you are located and I'm used to an active forum where questions get answered by people in different time zones I posted in the technical help bit as well. I'm learning about wikibooks slowly. Could you give me a link where I can see my files and edit the descriptions. Thanks John :If you click the image on any page where it appears, you'll go to the description page. Also, you can find links to the image description page in [[Special:Contributions/Johnwhelan]] or [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=upload&user=Johnwhelan your upload log]. :Please sign your posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>), which will leave a signature including a timestamp; this makes discussions easier to follow. Thanks! &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:49, 4 March 2008 (UTC) Think I've caught them all, is there any way you can check to see if I missed any? Thanks John [[User:Johnwhelan|Johnwhelan]] ([[User talk:Johnwhelan|talk]]) 23:54, 4 March 2008 (UTC) :Missed a few: [[:Image:Edit in explorer.jpg]], [[:Image:Folder image.jpg]], [[:Image:Msedit2.jpg]], [[:Image:Upload.jpg]]. The rest look good though. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:03, 5 March 2008 (UTC) I'm afraid I haven't worked out how to delete unwanted images so since you've nominated them for deletion I think we'll just let the process delete them. Thanks John [[User:Johnwhelan|Johnwhelan]] ([[User talk:Johnwhelan|talk]]) 01:00, 8 March 2008 (UTC) ::Only [[WB:ADMIN|admins]] can delete things. If you're going to use them, you can just remove the delete template and fix up the rationale with whatever module they're used in. If you're sure you don't need them, I'll go ahead and delete them. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:06, 8 March 2008 (UTC) == NowCommons images == G'day Mike, it's generally a good idea to leave images that have been moved to Commons for a few days, to make sure that they've "taken", as Commons sometimes rejects the images. I know I was the last uploader for some of those images, but Commons might yet create a fuss about me recreating those images based on unlicensed images. (I'd push back, of course :-) Don't do anything with the ones you've deleted, but please consider giving them a few days before deleting the local copy next time. cheers, [[User:Webaware|Webaware]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User_talk:Webaware|talk]]</sup> 09:16, 5 March 2008 (UTC) :I did check at commons to make sure licensing was ok, and kept the ones where it wasn't, so all is well. Thanks for the reminder though. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:59, 5 March 2008 (UTC) == picture == I wanted to use a picture. I used a family photo. I am not sure what I am missing. I'm not very familiar with Wiki. Can you help me? Christa Portlock (ck 209) <small>—The preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Ck209|Ck209]] ([[User talk:Ck209|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ck209|contribs]]) 19:52, March 5, 2008.</small> :If you didn't take the picture, you can't release it under any license since you don't own the copyright. You can find other images like this which are free to reuse at [[commons:|Wikimedia Commons]]. If you did take it, please add the code below, filling in the requested information. <pre>{{Information |Author =[[User:Ck209]] |Date =the date you took the picture |Source =own work |Permission = |Description =A clear description of the image }}</pre> :As well, if you can re-upload the image at higher quality, it'd be nice. Thanks! &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:59, 5 March 2008 (UTC) == Userpage == Hey Mike, I borrowed your userpage navbox idea. Hope you don't mind. [[User:Neoptolemus|'''Νεοπτόλεμος''']] ( [[User talk:Neoptolemus|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Neoptolemus|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Neoptolemus|contribs]] ) 03:06, 6 March 2008 (UTC) :Not at all :) &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 04:37, 6 March 2008 (UTC) == OpenOffice.Org/Prelink "blanking" == Thanks, that's what I'm searching for (the /delete|reason/ tag). I'm not used to these wikis tags. [[User:The Kid|The Kid]] ([[User talk:The Kid|talk]]) 19:04, 7 March 2008 (UTC) :[[Image:Symbol delete vote.svg|15px]] '''Deleted''' &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:13, 7 March 2008 (UTC) == Getting in contributors for the book == I have been contributing and will be contributing to the inorganic chemistry book here on Wikibooks. The problem that faces me is that I cannot submit Polished content in a single edit! I have been browsing around wikibooks for quite a time and have been really discouraged to see the lack of enthusiasm in science textbooks. I suspect this is due to the sparse contributions. Let's just hope that if i keep contributing, collaborators will join in. It is here that I have a little query - how do i announce that this book is undergoing continuos editing? We are not talking about announcing it as a new book - because it has almost always been there. Maybe more like, sending out a sort of "Volunteers wanted" advert! Here is the book in question (module actually) : http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Inorganic_Chemistry/Qualitative_Analysis/Tests_for_anions Infact, you must have already een it once given that you messaged me about not blanking out pages. Thanks! Hope to get a reply soon! <small>—The preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Thewinster|Thewinster]] ([[User talk:Thewinster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thewinster|contribs]]) 16:32, March 7, 2008.</small> :Yes, contributors are the #1 thing we need. You can try to spread the word at various WikiProjects at Wikipedia. Besides that, you can add {{tlx|inactive}}, though that's not really accurate since you're working on it. Most books have no contributors; most books that are being edited usually have only one contributor, so you're far from the only one working on a book alone. Sorry I can't help more. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:09, 7 March 2008 (UTC) ::That was all I needed! And when it comes to science textbooks, I guess the only reason of inactivity is that nobody would want to start from scratch. I'd let this work develop into a few lectures, so that anyone who refers them might voluntarily organize it. That is what wiki is all about! Thanks again. --[[User:Thewinster|Thewinster]] ([[User talk:Thewinster|talk]]) 16:55, 8 March 2008 (UTC) == Mike == I created this wikibook last August and am now just breaking it up into chapters as it appears it will be easier to read and download. I am not very up on all of the terms and such. It is my original material. Let me know if I should be doing something. rclarken[[User:Rclarken|Rod]] ([[User talk:Rclarken|talk]]) 00:34, 9 March 2008 (UTC) :I figured as much. All I wanted was for you to use the [[m:edit summary|edit summary]] when removing large amounts of text. Something like "moving to subpage" is fine. Thanks. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:36, 9 March 2008 (UTC) == Bloom clock update == Hi Mike. Time for another bot run on the clock. For all pages in [[v:Category:Bcptop version 7.10.24]], replace lines in the top template as follows: *Grab: <pre> | version tracking for top template (for robotic use) = 7.10.24 </pre> *And replace with: <pre> | Included Subclasses = | Global temperate seasons = | version tracking for top template (for robotic use) = 8.3.9 </pre> Thanks as always! I'll need a second run to update the bottom template sometime next week too, I'll let you know when the fields are ready.--[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 13:54, 9 March 2008 (UTC) :Oh, oops. Minor issue there: you'll only find the template in pages in the BCP/ pseudonamespace. The top template transcludes categories to the keys, so you'll have to ignore pages in the Bloom Clock/ pseudonamespace (they're just transclusion lists of BCP pages). --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 13:59, 9 March 2008 (UTC) :Also, there are a small number of pages using template version 8.3.3 ([[v:Category:Bcptop version 8.3.3]], but I'll manually update those. ::[[Image:Symbol wait.svg|15px]] '''In progress''' &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:32, 9 March 2008 (UTC) ::[[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] '''Done''' and all looks good. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:28, 9 March 2008 (UTC) == [[User:LaleenaWiki|LaleenaWiki]] == Hello - just thought you'd want to know that I lost my password to [[User:Laleena|Laleena]], so I'm now [[User:LaleenaWiki|LaleenaWiki]]. Thanks, [[User:LaleenaWiki|LaleenaWiki]] ([[User talk:LaleenaWiki|talk]]) 18:42, 9 March 2008 (UTC) :Yes, I saw that. Can you not recover the password via email? &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:43, 9 March 2008 (UTC) ::No, I can't. I don't put up an e-mail address, for fear of a hacker giving me a virus through the e-mail. [[User:LaleenaWiki|LaleenaWiki]] ([[User talk:LaleenaWiki|talk]]) 18:48, 9 March 2008 (UTC) == glossary edit == you left comment, I had tried to crudely draft a glossary list as I saw it didn' seem to be there - I added the "stub" marker ...just trying to help--[[User:Billymac00|Billymac00]] ([[User talk:Billymac00|talk]]) 02:45, 10 March 2008 (UTC) :Yup, that's fine. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:43, 11 March 2008 (UTC) == Thank You!:-D == Thank you for the compliment! You made my day! Hhhmmm, I usually specialize in layout, I don't do much in aethetics, I usually leave that to someone else, and I'm not a deletionist, so that's a bit problematic for me. Thanks though, we'll keep in touch.[[Special:Contributions/68.148.164.166|68.148.164.166]] ([[User talk:68.148.164.166|talk]]) 02:48, 10 March 2008 (UTC) :Hey, saw your userpage on Wikipedia, and said that your more active here. ASL?[[Special:Contributions/68.148.164.166|68.148.164.166]] ([[User talk:68.148.164.166|talk]]) 02:48, 10 March 2008 (UTC) == Question About NPOV == You left a comment (related to NPOV) on my book "Sign for Selecting...". I left a message in return, but I am confused as to how to resolve this issue. I am also concerned with upcoming postings, because this book will offer a certain point of view, though it is authentic to the Bahai religion. This is stated in the introduction and About Author section. Could you please email me at rclarken@nmu.edu as I check email more frequently. Thank you. [[User:Rclarken|Rod]] ([[User talk:Rclarken|talk]]) 18:56, 11 March 2008 (UTC) :emailed. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:33, 11 March 2008 (UTC) == Dragons == Hello again, you helped me a little while ago [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/User_talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive_14#History] with a plant how-to. I have found a couple more candidates, but want to do things the right way round this time ;) I don't suppose I can move page histories from wikipedia, but let me know what else I can do when I find these things. Shall I just ask you or is there a list or page to add them to? The article I want to move is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bearded_Dragon Bearded Dragon] - another 'how-to' mostly. I haven't checked it for copyvio, but it seems to have been added incrementally. The book that might contain this page is [[Animal Care]]. It is a popular page ([http://stats.grok.se/en/200802/Bearded%20Dragon stats]), but I won't be when I gut it! However, the traffic will come here, dragon owners will find what they are looking for, and I am free to fix the article. Please also let me know how I might further improve [[A Wikimanual of Gardening/Cephalotus]]. Thanks, [[User talk:Cygnis insignis|Cygnis insignis]] 19:32, 12 March 2008 (UTC) :You can list stuff that needs to be moved here at [[WB:RFI]], and an admin will do it. I've imported it, and it's now [[Transwiki:Bearded Dragon|here]]. As for WMOG, you should ask [[User:SB Johnny]]. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:44, 12 March 2008 (UTC) ::Cheers, I will start fixing it up soon. And I will introduce myself to that user. Regards, [[User talk:Cygnis insignis|Cygnis insignis]] 19:58, 12 March 2008 (UTC) ==Categorization== What category would my wikibook fall into? Category:Writing? Category:Fiction? Category:Literature? I don't see a list of the categories we have. [[User:Cilantrohead|Cilantrohead]] ([[User talk:Cilantrohead|talk]]) 06:24, 14 March 2008 (UTC) :Adding {{tlx|Subject|Composition|Literature|Miscellaneous}} should be fine. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 06:41, 14 March 2008 (UTC) == [[United States Government/Domestic Issues]] == A stub is just a stub, if the edit is on topic marking it as a <nowiki>{{query}}</nowiki> doesn't seem productive to me, only if you have the intention in removing (as in speed delete) all stubs, if so I have a problem with that... (no need to reply to this if you had not a particular reason to tag it, just be careful that this can be destructive) --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 23:41, 14 March 2008 (UTC) :No, I just wondered what was meant there as it's a series of headings (or was at the time). As the template says, remove it if the module is legit. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:46, 14 March 2008 (UTC) == [[:Image:ReverseEngineeringPush.JPG]] == Hi, saw your message on my Talk page just now. I was trying to replace the above Jpeg with one I made, but after uploading all I saw was the old image resized to match the new one's shape. Also, a thumbnail with the correct image appeared on the original author's 'Images' page. Should I upload it by itself and replace all references? [[User:Gannalech|Gannalech]] ([[User talk:Gannalech|talk]]) 09:42, 15 March 2008 (UTC) :That's very strange. I'm going to try reverting to the version you made. If that works, just update the information on the image page. If not, then you might as well upload a separate image and use that one. I'll let you know what happens. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 14:32, 15 March 2008 (UTC) :Looks like it worked; please confirm. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 14:36, 15 March 2008 (UTC) ==[[WB:PATROL]]== Thanks for your offer to become a patroller. After considerable thought, I am not sure I can really commit the time at the moment. I feel that this is a significant responsibility (e.g. verifying copyright violations etc), and to do it appropriately could use up a lot of effort. Given that my time contributing is limited by RL, I am concerned this might/would take away time from my main project at [[Radiation_Oncology]]. What I plan to do over next couple of weeks is to take a look at new pages, and see how it goes. Also, I know there is an issue over at wikipedia about the "inclusionists" vs. the "deletionists", and the potentially negative impact the deletionists are having on the dropping rate of contributions. What's the overall wikibooks stance thus far? Thanks! [[User:Tdvorak|Tdvorak]] ([[User talk:Tdvorak|talk]]) 23:35, 16 March 2008 (UTC) :I can't speak for Wikipedia, since I barely contribute there. I think the Wikibooks community is more stable, in part because we're smaller, but also because we're a "spinoff" of Wikipedia, so we had to figure out what should be included ans what shouldn't fairly early on. Of course, there has been back-and-forth on certain issues like game guides, but overall I don't think we have the same strain between the two camps that Wikipedia has. Nevertheless, what happens at Wikipedia doesn't tend to affect us much here since we are a different project. The only way I can see the inclusion/exclusion thing affecting us is by how much influx of content we have, since they like to dump their unwanted stuff here more often than perhaps we'd like. :As for being a patroller, no problem there. If you feel like you want to help out I'd be willing to add your name to [[WB:RFP]]. :By the way, you've done wonders with [[Radiation Oncology]], and I hope you'll continue for some time. Keep it up! &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:30, 17 March 2008 (UTC) == Bureaucratification == Wanted to make sure that you knew my vote opposing your bureaucratship was not in malice. The rights really aren't much and are used quite rarely around here. Keep rocking the 'books. -[[User:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#000000">'''within'''</span>]][[User talk:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#7A7A7A">'''focus'''</span>]] 00:25, 17 March 2008 (UTC) :I certainly don't think it was. It did solidify a few thoughts I had, hence the withdrawal. See you 'round &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:32, 17 March 2008 (UTC) == How to rename a Book == I need to rename a book "How to Repar Dishwashers", but have not been able to use this procedure: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Help:Editing_FAQ Q: How can I easily change the title of a book? I keep browsing around in the help section but I can't seem to find a way to change the title of my book. Can anyone help? A: Use the MOVE button on top of the page to change the title of your book Because I do not see a "MOVE" button in either the display or edit mode for the root page. Can you tell me how to rename this book? I have tried inserting "Rename|[[How To Repair Dishwashers]]" (with the brackets), but nothing has happened. Thank you [[User:DIYprojects|DIYprojects]] ([[User talk:DIYprojects|talk]]) 01:57, 17 March 2008 (UTC) :There should be a ''move'' tab at the top of the page, beside where you find the ''edit'' tab. If it's not there, then it means you're not allowed to move the page (your account must be 4 days old to move pages). &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:44, 17 March 2008 (UTC) Thank you- I have 3 days to go. [[User:DIYprojects|DIYprojects]] ([[User talk:DIYprojects|talk]]) 04:28, 17 March 2008 (UTC) :I think I ended up moving everything for you. Let me know if I missed something. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:11, 17 March 2008 (UTC) lyw716znszcla85jpkavty2uo60p3ft 3 152647 4654235 1155498 2026-07-12T18:11:25Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654235 wikitext text/x-wiki <[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 14|older]] [[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 16|newer]]> {{Talkarchive}} {{-}} ==Prealgebra for Two-Year Colleges renaming== Sorry about the misnamed files. I cannot yet delet files. Will you please delete/move them for me? Please delete * [[:Image:Half.png‎]] * [[:Image:Quarter.png]]‎ Please move * [[Appendix (procedures)]]‎ → [[Prealgebra for Two-Year Colleges/Appendix (procedures)‎]] * [[Appendix (procedures)/Multiplication table]]‎ → [[Prealgebra for Two-Year Colleges/Appendix (procedures)/Multiplication table‎]] * [[Appendix (procedures)/Finding equivalent fractions]]‎ → [[Prealgebra for Two-Year Colleges/Appendix (procedures)/Finding equivalent fractions‎]] Thanks, and sorry for the trouble! --[[User:Dr.enh|Dr.enh]] ([[User talk:Dr.enh|talk]]) 20:02, 17 March 2008 (UTC) :No problem; sometimes people like to do things themselves. Also, many like to learn by doing best. In any case, consider these done. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:06, 17 March 2008 (UTC) ==RE: sig == <small><blockquote> Your signature should be put into the signature field of ''[[Special:Preferences|my preferences]]''. That should work better, as <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> will work nicely then. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 04:05, 16 March 2008 (UTC)</small></blockquote> Yes, I know that, but I'm an interesting fellow and what I have in my signature field in my prefs is <nowiki>{{subst:user:penubag/sig}}</nowiki>. That way when I type <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>, my signature is different every time I sign. See: --[[user:penubag|<font color=#FF7518>'''penubag'''</span>]] '''([[w:user talk:penubag|<font color=#1E90FF>talk]]; [[w:user:penubag|<font color=#FFBF00>w]])</span> '''--[[user:penubag|<font color= #FFBF00>'''penubag'''</span>]] ([[w:user talk:penubag|<font color=#00FFFF>talk]]; [[w:user:penubag|<font color=#FF7518>w]])</span> --[[user:penubag|<font color= #808080>'''penubag'''</span>]]''' ([[w:user talk:penubag|<font color= #BFFF00>talk]]; [[w:user:penubag|<font color= #FF66CC>w]])</span> 01:53, 18 March 2008 (UTC) :huh. Well I think that's probably a trivial server load, and very, very cool =D &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:59, 18 March 2008 (UTC) ::Agh, I can't get my signature from taking less than 3 lines. When I subst my signature, it puts some unusual breaks in it forcing 3 lines of sig. I know this is against policy so I may just go back to the simplistic one. --[[user:penubag|<font color= #1E90FF>'''penubag'''</span>]]''' ([[w:user talk:penubag|<font color= #EE82EE>talk]]; [[w:user:penubag|<font color= #1E90FF>w]])</span> 05:05, 19 March 2008 (UTC) :::Well, technically we don't have a policy, but it ''is'' a tad annoying. I don't know how to fix it, but the preprocessor introduced some new behaviour, so this may be a bug, or it may be a feature :P You might want to ask at [[m:Migration to the new preprocessor]]. For now, [[WB:TECH]] is the place to post. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 05:21, 19 March 2008 (UTC) ::::Yeah, before the new preprocessor, I didn't really notice this problem. Since you mentioned that it was anoying, I'll just change back to the defult sig, I really don't care that much about a sig. Although it ''is'' beautiful --[[user:penubag|<font color= #00FFFF>'''penubag'''</span>]]''' ([[w:user talk:penubag|<font color= #1E90FF>talk]]; [[w:user:penubag|<font color= #EE82EE>w]])</span> 16:42, 19 March 2008 (UTC) == Introduction to Mathematics == Impossible to learn all the math necessary for college in a year? On the contrary, it's been done. I wish I remembered more details, but the story goes something like this. The new administrator for the New York State school system, about 1900, introduced a new mathematics curriculum. In the first three grades, there was no mathematics at all, excpet learning the numbers from one to one hundred. Then in fourth grade teachers began to teach mathematics by introducing a small number of rules (essentially the commutative, associative, and distributive laws, though I don't believe he called them by those names). After that, his curriculum went on to what today look like fairly advanced problems in business mathematics. The experiment was a total success. Immigrant children, who most educators at the time thought were incapable of learning, mastered basic mathematics in record time. Needless to say, as soon as this administrator retired, the new administrator dismantled the successful system and installed the unsuccessful system that is almost universal today. There are plenty of other examples in the history of education. Harvard freshman in the eighteenth century generally didn't know any arithmetic at all (beyond counting), and were taught it all in a Freshman course. People overestimate the quantity of content in elementary mathematics because of the way it is taught, at least in the United States, by boring repetition without understanding, a mile wide and an inch deep. I teach college math, and my calculus students often need to be taught basic arithmetic before we go on to calculus. It usually takes about ten minutes out of four or five lectures. If they had been taught the right way in grade school (and, of course, given practice every year) this wouldn't be necessary. But it is surprising how little you need to know to do calculus -- the multiplication and addition tables, adding and subtracting fractions, a little bit of factoring, minus times minus is plus, and a few other elementary facts. [[User:Rick Norwood|Rick Norwood]] ([[User talk:Rick Norwood|talk]]) 12:27, 18 March 2008 (UTC) :If you say so! I'm highly skeptical, but it's up to you. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 14:51, 18 March 2008 (UTC) ==About my User Name== Hi Mike, Thanks for your comments about my username. (Hyundai). Can you please rename me from the present name to the username '''Armchair''' , first letter capitalized; the rest not. If it is possible to retain credit for my edits, then so much the better. By the way, have you ever found a way to put a hit counter onto a page. Specifically, I would like to know whether or not pages worked on are popular. I do not mean to count '''users''' at their editing , but to count '''surfers''' as they pass through. Thanks, --[[User:Hyundai|Hyundai]] ([[User talk:Hyundai|talk]]) 13:10, 18 March 2008 (UTC) :I can't rename you, but I will ask a bureaucrat to do so. You will retain all your edits. :I don't think there is any way to get such statistics currently, although many attempts have been made in the past to figure out how to do it. Part of the problem is that we are constrained on both the technical side, and the [[foundation:Privacy policy|policy]] side. I'll ask around though. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 14:53, 18 March 2008 (UTC) == Nomination == I'm a little disappointed in your withdrawl, I won't deny that. I disagree with Withinfocus (and I mentioned this point in the nomination itself) that we have "enough" bcrats right now. I don't believe that we have a quota, or that there is ever a point where we have "too many". I also don't think that good candidates should be turned away because we have good people doing the job already. Maybe being a bcrat is nothing more then the tools, the ability to rename users or to promote admins, but maybe there's something more too it. None of the bureaucrats that we currently have are "full-time" members here. Withinfocus and I have both been busy in real life. Derbeth and Johnny, while both still technically "Active" here have their focus in other projects. We're all available in a pinch, but I would like to try and avoid the "pinch" if possible. I want to nominate and promote candidates for admin and bcrat based purely on the merits of the candidate, not on the numbers and availability of existing admins/bcrats. Maybe I'm in the minority here in that viewpoint. Anyway, I won't harp on the subject anymore then that. Feel free to email me if you want more information about my position on this. I also won't push the subject any further then to say that I don't think you should have withdrawn the nomination. It's not for me to decide, of course, so I won't say anything else about it. I'll be back in town on thursday, so I should see you online thursday, friday, or sometime next week. Talk to you then. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 18:45, 18 March 2008 (UTC) ==[[Outdoor education]]== Thanks Mike, I've started expanding [[Outdoor education]]. Appreciate any pointers, it's my first time around here. Sincerely, [[User:Jtneill|Jtneill]] ([[User talk:Jtneill|talk]]) 15:00, 19 March 2008 (UTC) : Hi Mike, Could you help me out with creating a table of contents for this book, with the stages of development indicated? I probably just need a template to get me going. I had a quick read of [[Wikibooks:Template messages/Maintenance]] and it looked promising. I removed the <nowiki>{{query}}</nowiki> tag, but feel like something else should take its place. I like the idea of a table of contents which indicates the stages of completion. Appreciate any help. [[User:Jtneill|Jtneill]] ([[User talk:Jtneill|talk]]) 15:32, 19 March 2008 (UTC) ::I [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Outdoor_education&diff=1141833&oldid=1141832 tweaked] a few things. It looks like you've got a good start there. I also [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Outdoor_education&diff=1141836&oldid=1141833 added] {{tlx|Subject}} to categorize the book. That's fine for now, but you might want to add one or two more later. All in all, it looks promising. I'll be watching, but if you need help with anything else, come on back! &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:10, 19 March 2008 (UTC) == NP, as ever == I was actually just about to set it to indefinite... IP has a very long history of vandalism on multiple projects, and there are no associated users (I checked). --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 17:26, 19 March 2008 (UTC) :I was just about to take a look myself. I don't like doing indef IP blocks, but perhaps long-term would be ok -- five years? &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:28, 19 March 2008 (UTC) == Admin offer == Mike, I thank you for the vote of support... but if it is offered, I would have to turn it down. I've posted my reasons on SB_Johnny's talk page. If RB is limited to 20/min, then I likely did hit that limit; once I got into the flow of it, I did about ten in twenty seconds before the throttle hit. It is quick: contributions page, hit Rollback, hit the IP address, find the next Rollback... with a gaming mouse (which I didn't have), I could probably do about one a second. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 18:51, 19 March 2008 (UTC) :Yeah. I wanted to have rollback be unlimited. I'll see what the devs say. As for an RFA, no pressure, but you're around enough that you know what's what. See you 'round. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:59, 19 March 2008 (UTC) == Transwikis to Wikt: == I think I'm done now. --[[User:Connel MacKenzie|Connel MacKenzie]] ([[User talk:Connel MacKenzie|talk]]) 20:11, 19 March 2008 (UTC) :Thanks; [[Image:Symbol delete vote.svg|15px]] '''deleted''' &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:24, 19 March 2008 (UTC) == Syntax error == Mike, do you know who to talk to about an apparent code change breaking Recent Changes Linked? The error I'm getting is: A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was: (SQL query hidden) from within function "wfSpecialRecentchangeslinked". MySQL returned error "1064: You have an error in your SQL syntax. Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near '<<<<<<< .mine rc_new_len ======= rc_new_len, rc_log_ty (10.0.0.101)". [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 00:46, 20 March 2008 (UTC) :I have notified the developers. Thanks for the bug report! &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:37, 20 March 2008 (UTC) ::Looks like it's working again. Thank you. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 03:44, 20 March 2008 (UTC) == Few requests == Hi So there are few things that aren't used anymore. All of them are actually added [[:Category:Candidates for speedy deletion]]. Only images. Also can [[:Image:75%.png]] be reverted to the latest version by Karl Wick? <small>—The preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Soeb|Soeb]] ([[User talk:Soeb|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Soeb|contribs]]) 13:22, March 20, 2008.</small> :Yup, I saw those, but had to run. I need a deletion reason please. You can provide one, or by adding it to the images you want deleted like {{tlx|delete|''reason''}}. And I think you can revert images yourself, but perhaps not a good idea without checking, especially with images so widely used as [[:Image:75%.png]], so I'll take a look shortly. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:37, 20 March 2008 (UTC) :Would you please link to the new version of each image? Thanks. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:09, 20 March 2008 (UTC) OK. So here are they. First link is old, second is new: * [[:Image:Blender3D_materials_and_textures_panel_button.jpg]] - [[:Image:Blender3D_materials_and_textures_panel_button.png]] * [[:Image:Blender3D_materials_panel_button.jpg]] - [[:Image:Blender3D_materials_panel_button.png]] * [[:Image:Format_tab.PNG]] - [[:Image:Format_tab.png]] * [[:Image:File_locator_icon.PNG]] - [[:Image:File_locator_icon.png]] * [[:Image:Lastbuttonrow.jpg]] - [[:Image:Lastbuttonrow.png]] * [[:Image:OSA_comparison.jpg]] - [[:Image:OSA_comparison.png]] * [[:Image:Mat-screen.jpg]] - [[:Image:Mat-screen.png]] * [[:Image:Mat-tex-slots.png]] - [[:Image:Mat-tex-slots.pNg]] * [[:Image:Render_Settings.PNG]] - [[:Image:Render_Settings.png]] * [[:Image:Render_settings_backbuf_row.PNG]] - [[:Image:Render_settings_backbuf_row.png]] * [[:Image:Render_tab.PNG]] - [[:Image:Render_tab.png]] Why? Because older ones were blocked, and I wanted to update screen from new version or smaller. Also because older ones was in jpg. I can't revert 75%.png because it's blocked too. In svg it's yellow in png violet but it should be yellow too. [[User:Soeb|Soeb]] ([[User talk:Soeb|talk]]) 10:04, 21 March 2008 (UTC) :Thanks. I reverted 75.png yesterday, so that should be fine. <s>For these images, I just wanted to specify which image to use if people are looking at a page saying it was deleted. Consider it done.</s> [[User:Webaware|Webaware]] did it already. Thanks! &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:10, 21 March 2008 (UTC) == Screenshots == G'day, thanks that ''is'' better language. English is my primary language, but not my forté :) [[User:Webaware|Webaware]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User_talk:Webaware|talk]]</sup> 00:22, 21 March 2008 (UTC) :Glad you like it. Precision/legalese is a strong suit as my parents are lawyers :P &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:40, 21 March 2008 (UTC) ==[[Wikiworld]]== Hi mike, yes go ahead and delete (I have the text). Someone else had suggested I do this (put it on wikibooks) and I thought the license dodgy, but figured I'd try converting and see how it went (not good from pdf to OO Writer to MW syntax). That's good to know that an intact book belongs on WikiSource. Appreciate it. And thanks for you help all round. [[User:Jtneill|Jtneill]] ([[User talk:Jtneill|talk]]) 01:05, 21 March 2008 (UTC) == [[US History/Contents/Chief Justices]] == I'm beginning to change my mind about this. It didn't have any real content, but what is the harm in having a timeline of the SC justices? [[User:Neoptolemus|'''Νεοπτόλεμος''']] ( [[User talk:Neoptolemus|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Neoptolemus|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Neoptolemus|contribs]] ) 04:00, 22 March 2008 (UTC) :Well, it wasn't complete, but feel free to restore if you like. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 04:24, 22 March 2008 (UTC) ::I've [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=US_History/Contents/W_Bush&diff=1144512&oldid=1143368 trimmed] W Bush a bit, see if you think this is suitable enough to remove the cleanup tag. [[User:Neoptolemus|'''Νεοπτόλεμος''']] ( [[User talk:Neoptolemus|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Neoptolemus|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Neoptolemus|contribs]] ) 20:30, 23 March 2008 (UTC) :::Yeah, that looks a lot better. I'd like to leave up a notice for future contributors though as a reminder that Wikibooks is not Wikinews. I'll figure something out. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:33, 23 March 2008 (UTC) ::::Cool, I've removed its nomination for removal from featured status now. [[User:Neoptolemus|'''Νεοπτόλεμος''']] ( [[User talk:Neoptolemus|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Neoptolemus|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Neoptolemus|contribs]] ) 20:44, 23 March 2008 (UTC) == Imgage on "Signs for Selecting.. == Mike, I just wrote you a long message which appears to have gotten lost, so I will try to make this short and hope it gets through. The images I uploaded are are original and permission has be given by the photographer to post. I gave credit to each phot as far as I know. You may contact the photograher if you wish at SmithD40@michigan.gov. I did read the material and did what I thought was right. Will be out of town until March 26. Rod [[User:Rclarken|Rod]] ([[User talk:Rclarken|talk]]) 18:51, 22 March 2008 (UTC) :Emailed both &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:00, 23 March 2008 (UTC) == Re:Javascript == Sounds like an interesting idea. I assume you want to have a "vfd" tab at the top of the page, so that you can click it directly without having to go to some kind of separate form page? The problem is that when you open a separate tab to create an edit form, you can't really use javascript from the first tab to edit what goes in the boxes on the second tab. Instead of creating a second tab, what if we created an edit window at the bottom of the page or something. If we keep it on the first tab, we can use javascript to modify the crap out of it. Plus, I already have a lot of library functions that we can hijack to do this exact thing quickly. Here is what I envision: #Click "Vfd" tab at the top of the page. #This opens an edit window somewhere on the current page (either at the top, at the bottom, or as an overlay) #The javascript inserts stuff into the fields automatically, and you can preview/modify it and click "save". #Once you click "save", (or maybe a separate "close" button), the edit window disappears from view. I could get started on this later today or into this evening, if it's the kind of thing you are interested in. The benefit to keeping everything on one page is that the scripting becomes very easy (especially if we use some of the libraries I already have written), and we can do a lot of expansion/customization easily. Let me know. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 15:18, 24 March 2008 (UTC) :Almost. It's a hack of Twinkle, so you get a "speedy" tab at the top, and then there's a bunch of options, one of which is VFD (which currently just adds the template). The other thing is that since it's a hack of Twinkle, you have morebits.js to work with. I can barely make heads or tails of it, but I'm sure there is a function in there somewhere that can be hijacked to perform this function. OTOH, if you can make it work some other way that's fine. There's a function to notify the user, which I tried to use. I basically tried to trick it into notifying WB:VFD as if it were another user, but I messed something up. I think that'd be fine, but I don't understand enough of what's going on to make it work... but I bet you would :) &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:22, 24 March 2008 (UTC) :I forget if I told you already. The script is [[MediaWiki:Gadget-twinklespeedy.js]] and uses [[MediaWiki:Gadget-morebits.js]]. I have a development version at [[User:Mike.lifeguard/TSdev.js]] where you can experiment. The manual is at [[User:Mike.lifeguard/Twinkle Speedy documentation]]. The MediaWiki version is good enough that I'd be comfortable adding it to Gadgets after a day or two of testing from more than just me... interested? &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:25, 24 March 2008 (UTC) ::Okay, let me take a look through all this nonsense, and I'll let you know what I come up with. If you are interested in heavy modifications to Twinkle, maybe you should contact the Twinkle developers on Wikipedia and see if they can do the work for you. If we start modifiying Twinkle for our own needs, and then Twinkle gets major upgrades later, we won't be able to merge our changes and the new upgrades together. That may not be a big issue for you. If we don't modify Twinkle, and instead just hijack some of the necessary functions from morebits.js, that shouldn't cause a problem. However, i need to read through morebits.js and figure out what functions are available to hijack. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 15:41, 24 March 2008 (UTC) Why not simply have the script notify the author(s), and open up the VFD page with a new section, the title filled in with a link to the book/page being nominated for deletion and waiting for you to fill in the rest? --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 16:23, 24 March 2008 (UTC) :That'd by just fine, but I can't do that, apparently :( Can you? &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 12:51, 31 March 2008 (UTC) == Wikijunior:Famous Inventors == Thank you Mike for heads up on the wikibook I started. I didn't realize how wikibooks and wikijunior were related. I thought I had created a wikijunior book. I'm trying to set up a wikibook for a class project with my third graders. After reading through the help pages for a couple hours I have a better picture of how to organize our Wikijunior books. I'm trying to do a lot of the organization for our book ahead of time. If this goes well, we'll probably next year add more to it and an start another one on habitats. Would you please move the [[Famous Inventors]] wikibook to [[Wikijunior:Famous Inventors]]? Thanks, --[[User:Jsigler|Jsigler]] ([[User talk:Jsigler|talk]]) 22:29, 24 March 2008 (UTC) :{{done}}&nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:33, 24 March 2008 (UTC) == Hi Mike == Thanks for the welcome. No questions at the moment :) [[User:Jtico|Jtico]] ([[User talk:Jtico|talk]]) 23:03, 24 March 2008 (UTC) == [[AQA Business Studies]] == Info - contributor to the above (you placed a qr-em) was prevented from contributing for a while because of a hard block I'd placed on an IP. I had mail & sorted it - my bad. Cheers --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 12:50, 27 March 2008 (UTC) :Thanks for letting me know. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 14:36, 27 March 2008 (UTC) :Looks like this one is coming along well :) &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 14:43, 28 March 2008 (UTC) == Deletion == Hi, you had left a notice on my talk page regarding [[Wikibooks:Votes for deletion/Common phrases in various languages]] but it really would have been nice to have been notified somewhere I would have had a better chance to have seen it. I know that's not required, but I only come to Wikibooks periodically. I do however have some things I'd like to work on and I strongly feel that Common phrases in various languages is something that is perfectly suited to be published in a book. In fact I can't even see why people wouldn't. I guess it's moot as long as it was able to be imported to Wiktionary and used somewhere. Actually it should be imported directly from Wikipedia, that is where the content actually originated. Anyway keep up the good work that you do here, I'm just a little frustrated since I don't like to see that much content lost. - [[User:Taxman|Taxman]] ([[User talk:Taxman|talk]]) 04:38, 28 March 2008 (UTC) :Actually, the content was not lost. Wherever we had a language text, I merged that section as an appendix to the text, as should have been done from the beginning (since our [[WB:WIW|inclusion policy]] states that we are not [[WB:DICT|Wiktionary]], and such things are acceptable as a secondary and auxiliary resource). Everything was copied to Wiktionary as well, which is a project specifically for resources like this. So there was no content lost, and the stuff we kept is where it should be. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 14:43, 28 March 2008 (UTC) ==Speedy?== Hi, can you also delete [[:Category:Medieval Total War Guide]]? Thanks. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 13:55, 28 March 2008 (UTC) :Ahh, yes; [[Image:Symbol delete vote.svg|15px]] '''deleted'''. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 14:43, 28 March 2008 (UTC) rusixrz8a2k5wd58ajelml05j0pgd9x 3 155136 4654236 1172743 2026-07-12T18:11:26Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654236 wikitext text/x-wiki <[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 15|older]] [[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 17|newer]]> {{Talkarchive}} {{-}} == Question == Hello. Can I upload Fair Use images on English Wikibooks e.g Windows screens? I asking, because I haven't a big knowlege about EN Wikibooks. But I know that on Polish Wikibooks I don't upload screens on FU licension (Polish right). And my very very late: Happy Easter:) I'm sorry that later, but in real life I've had a lot of work. But probably I'm going to more activity on EN Wikibooks in future:) [[User:Prasuk historyk|<span style="color:#ff8c00">'''Prasuk'''</span>]] [[User talk:Prasuk historyk|<span style="color:#add8e6">''Dyskusja''</span>]] 08:58, 30 March 2008 (UTC) :Yes, we allow fair use on the English edition. The relevant policy is [[WB:MEDIA]]. Basically, use fair use only when needed (screenshots of proprietary software when discussing that software would be one example) and provide a {{tlx|fair use rationale}}. If you need help with anything, come on back. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 13:46, 30 March 2008 (UTC) :: Thanks, very thanks:] And thank you again, because you added precious attention to my talk-page. So Can I upload screens from my Windows XP Pro, because from Microsoft operating systems do not upload screens on CC,PD etc licensions. And..have you gadu-gadu/e-mail? If you don't know what is this GG, you write [[w:Gadu-Gadu|Gadu-Gadu]]. [[User:Prasuk historyk|<span style="color:#ff8c00">'''Prasuk'''</span>]] [[User talk:Prasuk historyk|<span style="color:#add8e6">''talk to me''</span>]] 16:05, 30 March 2008 (UTC) :::Yes, you can come to [[irc:wikibooks|#wikibooks]], our IRC channel if you like. :::You may upload any fair use images you want as long as they're allowed in the policy. You'll want to use {{tlx|microsoft screenshot}} and then fill out a {{tlx|fair use rationale}} for such images. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:12, 30 March 2008 (UTC) == Thanks! == Thanks for pointing me in the right direction with moving articles across wikis and doing it for me! [[User:Ross Uber|<span style="color:#00FA9A; font-weight:bold; font-family:monospace; text-decoration:none; background-color:#000; padding:4px">Ross Uber</span>]] - [[User_talk:Ross Uber|<span style="font-size:75%">Talk</span>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Ross Uber|<span style="font-size:75%">Contributions</span>]] - 22:45, 30 March 2008 (UTC) :No problem. Only admins can import, so it's important that we let users know it can be done - lots don't know. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:00, 30 March 2008 (UTC) == license tags on wikiversity == hi, I created a page at wv to start a discussion on [[v:Wikiversity talk:Licensing policy]]. I've been trying to delete copyvio and fix incorrect license info on images by hand. I'd like to ask you some questions on the bot you were running and see where to go next. BTW, do you know how I can get Editor and Reviewer on test.wikipedia.org to try out flagged revisions? --[[User:Mu301|mikeu]] ([[User talk:Mu301|talk]]) 01:36, 1 April 2008 (UTC) ==[[:Category:Naming convention change]]== Is emtpy! However ran into a slight problem on the last one. Needed to delete a page as there was a book with a duplicate name and thought I could get round it by moving the page. Forgot about the redirect! As a result could you delete [[J2ME Programming delete]] and [[J2ME Programming]]. Then [[Programming:J2ME]] can be moved to [[J2ME Programming]]. Thanks --[[User:AdRiley|AdRiley]] ([[User talk:AdRiley|talk]]) 06:23, 1 April 2008 (UTC) :[[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] '''Done''' and thanks for your work on this. There are still untagged ones to work on (look at [[Special:PrefixIndex/Programming:]]) but this is a huge help - Thanks!! <insert comment about RFA> :) &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:11, 1 April 2008 (UTC) == wikipedia transwiki == Mike, I don't quite understand the transwiki. Is the whole wikipedia entry or page brought over, or is just part of it. Is the text of the Wikipedia entry brought over to the wikibook, or is it linked? --[[User:Jsigler|Jsigler]] ([[User talk:Jsigler|talk]]) 17:39, 2 April 2008 (UTC) :It will be a copy of the entire article with (usually) all the old revisions too (ie the whole edit history). You can then pare down to only the stuff you want. So if you get me to bring over [[w:Albert Einstein]], then you can probably remove 80-90% of the content, then refactor it to fit into your book (ie split into sections appropriate for a Wikijunior book) and then move it into the book. I don't know how useful that would be for a class of young kids, but it might make things easier than trying to find freely-licensed content on the internet, and using that. Alternatively, if you only want to use small parts of Wikipedia articles, you can just put "from <nowiki>[[w:Article name at Wikipedia]]</nowiki>" in the [[m:edit summary|edit summary]], and that would be fine in terms of attribution. Feel free to [[Special:Emailuser/Mike.lifeguard|email]] me if you like. I hope that helps. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:21, 2 April 2008 (UTC) ==subst'ed== Thank you, such things still remain a mystery to me. [[User:ChessCreator|ChessCreator]] ([[User talk:ChessCreator|talk]]) 21:46, 2 April 2008 (UTC) :No problem, it was only a handful. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:56, 2 April 2008 (UTC) ==Redirect== Sorry for that mistake. [[English Defence]] is now {{done}} *There is a list of redirects and planned redirects(red links) on the talk page [[Talk:List_of_chess_topics|here]], hopefully over time they will all be blue. [[User:ChessCreator|ChessCreator]] ([[User talk:ChessCreator|talk]]) 13:52, 3 April 2008 (UTC) == limit on # of accounts created == I had my students start creating their wikibook acounts, but ran into a roadblock. 6 of my students were able to create accounts in the computer lab and the rest got "6 accounts have already been created from this address." I suspect the wiki reads our school firewall/proxy as one address and cut us off at six, even though they were on separate computers. I would really like each student to have their own log-in, by we may have to come up with another solution. Any ideas?--[[User:Jsigler|Jsigler]] ([[User talk:Jsigler|talk]]) 15:41, 3 April 2008 (UTC) :Yes, the software will cut you off at six per minute. You should be able to continue creating accounts after the minute is up. If not, an admin (like me) can create accounts for you and email you the information. (We can create accounts at an unlimited rate). Let me know if you need to do so. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:56, 3 April 2008 (UTC) ==[[Eiffel Programming]]== Hello Mike. You have retagged this one saying I have missed some of the subpages. I think I have done the ones that link from the front page. How do I find any others? Thanks --[[User:AdRiley|AdRiley]] ([[User talk:AdRiley|talk]]) 12:53, 8 April 2008 (UTC) :Ahh. AdRiley, say hello to you new best friend, [[Special:PrefixIndex]] :D Search for PageName or PageName/ to find the ones I'm talking about. Redirects appear in italics (can be customized with css), so those have already been moved. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 12:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC) ::Thanks. Very useful! --[[User:AdRiley|AdRiley]] ([[User talk:AdRiley|talk]]) 06:48, 9 April 2008 (UTC) == Cookbook - Livre de cuisine == Hello, ty for your message, excuse my english [http://fr.wikibooks.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Pythie Pythie] [[Special:Contributions/81.242.245.51|81.242.245.51]] ([[User talk:81.242.245.51|talk]]) 00:06, 9 April 2008 (UTC) == Why did you delete the image for my book [[:Image:Teardrop hatchrib section.jpg]] == This is an image I created myself. Why did you delete it? It is used for http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/How_To_Build_A_Teardrop_Trailer/The_Hatch [[User:Wikiwerks|Wikiwerks]] ([[User talk:Wikiwerks|talk]]) 03:16, 9 April 2008 (UTC) :It says in the deletion log that it was speedily deleted because it was tagged with {{tlxs|nld}} for more than 7 days. As you've now provided appropriate source & license information and re-uploaded it, that's fine. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:29, 9 April 2008 (UTC) ==WikiProject name== Hi Mike, I'm sure your move of the [[Wikibooks:Chess]] page was done in good faith, but as it happens it was not appropriate at this time. I made some remarks to try and explain myself [[Wikibooks_talk:Wikiprojects|here]]. I'm also not concerned about the history at this stage as the history is basically me attempting to make it look sensible for other and so far it's not a tool of conversation or current to do list, when it is then the history becomes important. If you have any questions or want it explained more, please don't hesitate to ask. [[User:ChessCreator|ChessCreator]] ([[User talk:ChessCreator|talk]]) 00:37, 10 April 2008 (UTC) == Thanks for the welcome == Hi Mike, just saw your welcome note; thanks. I'm slowly starting to configure the various account I've staked-out; see [[m:User:Jack Merridew/Matrix]]. I've begun just setting a few preferences and such, and will stub-out a user page when I have time. Wikibooks is probably one I'll focus one more as, well, I read a lot of books. Cheers, [[User:Jack Merridew|User:Jack Merridew a.k.a. David]] 09:26, 10 April 2008 (UTC) == External bleeding protocol == As an EMT (in the United states), the protocol for [[First Aid/External Bleeding|external bleeding]] is: # Direct pressure with a dressing # Elevate # Apply an additional dressing # Arterial pressure point Also, do you think it's worth mentioning that a tourniquet is a '''last resort''' and, in most cases, should never be applied? -- [[User:Macaddct1984|Macaddct1984]] ([[User talk:Macaddct1984|talk]]) 15:29, 10 April 2008 (UTC) :That's not quite right for lay rescuers. RED is the basics (and technically all that's required). Pressure points/tourniquets are considered a more advanced skill and wouldn't be tested. My experience, however, is that I'll get questions about tourniquets, so I try to preempt them by including it up-front. I think that what's there should be fine, but I'll double-check it. It should be RED with tourniquets/pressure points as an extra in a sidebar. Good to see someone else putting some work into the book! &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:53, 10 April 2008 (UTC) :Ahh, tourniquets and pressure points are mentioned in [[First Aid/D for Deadly Bleeding]] instead. That's fine I think, but if you'd like to mention them in a box to the side at [[First Aid/External Bleeding]], go for it. I'm happy with where things are located. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:55, 10 April 2008 (UTC) == [[Spanish/Answers/¿Cuándo es tu cumpleaños?]] == You added this for speedy deletion. I am clearing out the speedy deletes but I'm not sure why this book should be deleted. It seems OK to me? Did the author request its deletion? --[[User:Xania|ЗAНИA]] [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|<sup>talk</sup>]] 21:03, 10 April 2008 (UTC) :Yes, it is a dupe; see the next section. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:25, 10 April 2008 (UTC) Hi, Mike. Before I edited the wikibook, questions and answers were in different pages. I followed the style chosen for the first lesson and I used the template {{tl|question-answer}} for introducing the answers in the same page as the exercises. [[User:Akhram|Akhram]] ([[User talk:Akhram|talk]]) 22:09, 10 April 2008 (UTC). :Yes, but I need to know where the content is duplicated. It is on the page linked above, and also some other page - where is that one? &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:27, 10 April 2008 (UTC) ::Sorry, the information is [[Spanish/Exercises/¿Cuándo es tu cumpleaños?|here]] [[User:Akhram|Akhram]] ([[User talk:Akhram|talk]]) 07:24, 11 April 2008 (UTC). :::[[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] '''Done''' &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 14:46, 11 April 2008 (UTC) Hi again, Mike. I did the same with the next lesson of the wikibook: [[Spanish/Exercises/Introducción a la gramática]]. Thanks, [[User:Akhram|Akhram]] ([[User talk:Akhram|talk]]) 15:16, 13 April 2008 (UTC). == strange == I edited <nowiki>[[Template:{{Main Page navigation}}]]</nowiki>. For some reason my edit hasn't appeared on the recent changes list... --[[User:Xania|ЗAНИA]] [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|<sup>talk</sup>]] 18:58, 12 April 2008 (UTC) : Think I forgot to save my changes --[[User:Xania|ЗAНИA]] [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|<sup>talk</sup>]] 18:59, 12 April 2008 (UTC) ::Heh, that is helpful to do :P Looks good to me. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:36, 12 April 2008 (UTC) == Now... == To me [[Translation|this]] is effectively spam but me & en wb do not always see eye to eye on that subject :) Cheers --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 16:26, 13 April 2008 (UTC) :I just saw that too, and I considered deleting it as spam but decided not to mark it patrolled and let a more-seasoned admin take a look at it. [[User:Neoptolemus|'''Νεοπτόλεμος''']] ( [[User talk:Neoptolemus|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Neoptolemus|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Neoptolemus|contribs]] ) 16:29, 13 April 2008 (UTC) :I agree with both of you, so... [[Image:Symbol delete vote.svg|15px]] '''deleted'''. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:39, 13 April 2008 (UTC) ::Difficult in a way as it ''could'' be valid but the links & opening para (something about "how much might it cost") were a bit of a giveaway to me. And as we all agreed....:) Been pruning links on en wp for a while today - open proxy "copy edits" and just happens to place a link while there - ho hum. Thanks both - cheers --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 17:21, 13 April 2008 (UTC) :::Well, no. It's really not even about ''translation'' - it was about how to use that service. I suggested that they try writing a ''real'' book on translation :) &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:22, 13 April 2008 (UTC) :OK, per [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mike.lifeguard&diff=1167154&oldid=1167066 this] I've undeleted & I'll keep a watchful eye. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 12:36, 17 April 2008 (UTC) e1a5tnpvs5i3jafnttx7neygrmgeu7o 3 156294 4654237 1187886 2026-07-12T18:11:27Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654237 wikitext text/x-wiki <[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 16|older]] [[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 18|newer]]> {{Talkarchive}} {{-}} == Why you deleted this contribution? == Why did you deleted the work "Biogeochemical Selectiveness of Cedars Over Metamorphic Rocks of the Escambray Complex, Sancti Spíritus, Cuba"? Please, respond to vallsvg@gmail.com Cordially, Ricardo Valls [[User:Vallsvg|Vallsvg]] ([[User talk:Vallsvg|talk]]) 01:16, 14 April 2008 (UTC) :See the deletion log. Also replied by email. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:33, 14 April 2008 (UTC) == Forgot == Forgot to log in, all those changes being made to sprains, etc were me. --[[User:Nugger|Nugger]] ([[User talk:Nugger|talk]]) 02:02, 15 April 2008 (UTC) :Well, even so they're wrong :P [[w:Sprains#Treatment]]. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:07, 15 April 2008 (UTC) ::Actually this is straight from the ARC as per the new protocols. --[[User:Nugger|Nugger]] ([[User talk:Nugger|talk]]) 02:12, 15 April 2008 (UTC) :::Got a source? &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:12, 15 April 2008 (UTC) ::::Instructors Manual for CPR/AED/First Aid for the Workplace, Schools and the Community. ISBN: 1-58480-340-1 Printed by StayWell. As well as student workbook ISBN: 1-58480-341-X This is how we are teaching first aid now. --[[User:Nugger|Nugger]] ([[User talk:Nugger|talk]]) 02:20, 15 April 2008 (UTC) :::::Ugh, paper :(. What's the publication date on that? And incidentally, that's ARC, right? I don't know of anyone else who does that (including CRC), and offhand I don't recall anything international happening on that front, so I wonder what we want to use... BTW, the book's scope was [[First Aid/Manual of Style|codified]] following the FB nom. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:23, 15 April 2008 (UTC) ::::::You can also look here under page 5 and Muscle, bone and joint injuries.: www.redcross-pdx.org/news/Guidelines_for_First_Aid.pdf --[[User:Nugger|Nugger]] ([[User talk:Nugger|talk]]) 02:36, 15 April 2008 (UTC) == Automating Manufacturing Systems new book..... == Hello Mike, I am the sole author of the book and it has been available for a couple of years now under the GFDL. I am porting a version of it to Wikibooks. To this end I have added a license notice that should satisfy your needs. So far I have only added a small part to work out the conversion kinks. http://claymore.engineer.gvsu.edu/~jackh/books/plcs/ Please be patient, I am new to wiki posting - I cannot seem to upload images. Is there something I need to do? Also, does the wiki support some vector formats, SVG would be preferred. Ideally I would like to be able to let others edit the figures without having to manipulate bitmaps. [[User:Hugh jack|Hugh jack]] ([[User talk:Hugh jack|talk]]) 08:10, 15 April 2008 (UTC)Hugh_Jack :Sounds good to me! I've removed the notice. :You're not able to upload images until your account is four days old, but after that you can do so at [[Special:Upload]]. Even better would be uploading images to [[commons:|Commons]], since these images are freely licensed. Putting them at Commons allows all projects to use the images, so it's a bigger benefit to us if you would do that. Also, you don't have to wait to upload at Commons, just register an account. :SVG is excellent. There are a few things which will not render properly, but they are quite rare. As well, we have some support for [[Help:TeX markup|TeX]] markup using <nowiki><math></math></nowiki> which is preferred whenever possible for equations. So equations in TeX, diagrams in svg, and only drawings, photos etc. should be raster (png if possible). If you need any help with stuff, come on back! &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 10:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC) == Logo discussion, next phase? == I don't want to hassle you about this, although I'm too busy to do it myself. I think that soonish (today maybe, by the end of the week otherwise), we need to move to the next stage of the logo selection process. Here are the list of the top-10 logo families that (in my opinion) seem to have the most support so far. You may want to write up your own list and compare to mine: :a, d/r, l, n, s, u, y/z, 1/2/3, 5/6 The tenth position could belong to either o or v, I can't tell which is more popular of the two. I think for the next stage, we take the top 10, and give each of them a subpage of their own for discussion. Designers have about a month to select a single "best" example of that logo family, and once the "best" one is produced, we put that onto a voting page and we vote on it. To recap (mostly for my benefit): # Create sub-pages for each logo family, possibly copy + paste all the logos to that subpage # Each subpage must select one "best" logo # We put the best logo from each subpage onto the main page no later then May 15th (or so). Proposals which fail to produce a "best" could be disqualified, or we could select one on their behalf. # After that, we start the final voting round. Do you agree with this general course of events? I can start writing up blog entries, or a post to foundation-l or whatever once we know what we're doing. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 17:51, 16 April 2008 (UTC) :Both the process and the list look good. For the 10th, I'd say v is in and o is out -- same amount of commenting, but there are some negative comments at o, whereas v is almost exclusively positive. I'm thinking cross-posting a single message to textbook-l and foundation-l is good. Also a post to commons-l to see if we can get some good graphics artists involved. And then blogs if you want... I don't follow any, so I don't know what's what there; I'll let you take care of it. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:30, 16 April 2008 (UTC) == Transclusion problems == Hi Mike can you take a look into [[http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/User_talk:Ikarsik|User_talk:Ikarsik]] post "Hello again". We are experiencing some transclusion problems, I think I understand the reason of the page not being rendered as expected but you may know better or a way to preserve the linked structure (as in being self generated from a single location) by other means. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 19:24, 16 April 2008 (UTC) :OK, I think the problem is there were too many ''layers'' of includes. The ''size'' wasn't a problem, but the depth of the transclusion hierarchy was, so I just took what was at /All Chapters and put it at /Print Version. If you're worried about people keeping it up-to-date, then to get it to work, you'll have to reduce the number of layers of transclusion. Also, I removed <nowiki>__TOC__</nowiki> from /Chapter Fundamentals so it wouldn't appear on the print version (TOC overrides NOTOC), but now /Chapter Fundamentals doesn't have one. Not sure what to do about that... Sorry I can't help more. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:46, 16 April 2008 (UTC) == [[Translation]] – A Guide to Better Documents in Another Language == Hello, <br /><br /> This book was not intended as spam; it is based on my experience as a freelance translator. This is items that people who want text translated often are not aware of. Is this a subject that I can publish on WikiBooks? What kind of changes should I make? <br /><br /> Regards, <br /> Per Magnus <small>—The preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Permag|Permag]] ([[User talk:Permag|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Permag|contribs]]) 03:44, April 17, 2008.</small> :OK, I've undeleted it. I strongly recommend that you avoid talking about a particular product or service on the internet, as that would be promotional. Instead, you should think more broadly about translation as an art and a science, and cover all of that ground in the text. You'll want to talk about why machine translation is so crude, the options (not just one) of getting human translators through the internet, and then move on to teach about translation (not dealing with one or another language, but stuff that's applicable to all languages). I'll keep an eye on development & try to help you along if need be. Good luck! &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 12:34, 17 April 2008 (UTC) <br /> Thank you, I see what you mean and will update and rearrange the document. <br /> Maybe the title ”Translation” is to specific. It would be better to keep the heading “Translation – A Guide to Better Documents in Another Language” as the name of the book. <br /> Regards, <br /> Per M.<br /> --[[User:Permag|Permag]] ([[User talk:Permag|talk]]) 08:47, 18 April 2008 (UTC) == The Ultra-Complete Index == Could you comment on [[s:WS:PD#The_Ultra-Complete_Index]] ; is this appropriate for Wikibooks ? [[User:Jayvdb|John Vandenberg]] ([[User talk:Jayvdb|talk]]) 17:09, 18 April 2008 (UTC) == explanation == Why did you delete this content? I'm working to develop this book online but in the meantime need to use other resources so that my students and others are not left hanging in the dark. Please restore the Implementations section. Thanks. <small> [[User:Typetive|Typative]] ([[User talk:Typetive|talk]]) 13:22, 19 April 2008 (UTC) </small> :I've restored [[Analog hole|the page]], but please not that [[WB:WIN|Wikibooks is not]] a link repository. The number of links seems excessive to me. Furthermore, there is ''no'' content - not even an outline. Until there is at least an outline of the book you're planning, the page is liable to be deleted again. I'll be watching the page for additions & I look forward to seeing your work progress. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 13:28, 19 April 2008 (UTC) ::Hi Mike. This particular list was provided to me by a Wikipedia editor and I apologize for not screening it prior to posting. I will delete all links to what are obvious advertisements and begin working on an outline and content immediately. Thanks for your help. <small> [[User:Typetive|Typative]] ([[User talk:Typetive|talk]]) 17:11, 19 April 2008 (UTC) </small> :::That sounds like an excellent plan :) &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:24, 20 April 2008 (UTC) == Images from [[Zine making/Putting pages together]] == I saw your comment [[WB:FBN#Zine_making|here]] regarding the images on the "Putting pages together" section. I made these and I would love to hear your opinion on them before I try to upload them to the commons:[http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c212/rayleen19/foldingfolio.png Two] [http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c212/rayleen19/foldingquarto.png Four][http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c212/rayleen19/foldingintosix.png Six] -[[User:Thereen|Thereen]] ([[User talk:Thereen|talk]]) 18:33, 19 April 2008 (UTC) :They're perfectly useful, and I encourage you to upload them there yourself. Those should be in [[commons:Commons:Transition to SVG|svg]] format though. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:24, 20 April 2008 (UTC) == OTRS == Hey Mike, Did you get in...? [[User:Reedy|Reedy]] ([[User talk:Reedy|talk]]) 21:54, 19 April 2008 (UTC) :Yes, I did. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:21, 20 April 2008 (UTC) ==Logos== Ooops. That will teach me to do things late at night :-S. Oh well I think the ones I liked have survived anyway. I'll have to try and make some more in depth comments when I'm not half asleep! BTW the message at the top of the page needs updating. --[[User:AdRiley|AdRiley]] ([[User talk:AdRiley|talk]]) 08:14, 21 April 2008 (UTC) :Message at the top of which page...? &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 09:35, 21 April 2008 (UTC) ::Hmmm. The pop-up message thing that you can dismiss. Not sure what it is called or how to change it. But it currently says <i>"Wikibooks and Wikijunior logo discussions are nearing an end. The top 10 choices will move on to the final around. This is your last chance to give your feedback on all the logos and help make sure your favorite makes it!"</i>--[[User:AdRiley|AdRiley]] ([[User talk:AdRiley|talk]]) 11:34, 21 April 2008 (UTC) :::Oh, sure. I have it hidden... I'll go update the sitenotice now. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 14:51, 21 April 2008 (UTC) == Regarding the scanned pages. == Well, thanks that you let me retain the handwritten scans - I guarantee they're mine. The main purpose of scanning was just lack of time on my part. ==The test paper scans== I have already explained on [[User_talk:Webaware]] how the test papers are NOT a copyright infringement! I'll put my arguement once more: - * <font color=green>The test papers were originally intended for IIT - JEE, an examination at the national level in India. Students were not allowed to take the papers home for reasons not known. [Some tests in India do not even allow students to keep their entry passes/hall tickets with them once the examination is over]. So the papers we have with us are <B>RECREATED</B> based on students' discussions with tutors or among themselves.</span> * If ever any book publishes the test papers, it is purely for reference. The actual content that the book publishers own copyright for is the solutions, which - I can assure you - are pathetic, dry and uninteresting. * The above point can be emphasized through the fact that <B><font color=red>atleast</B></span> five sources publish the same question papers or have published at some time or the other.These are http://www.fiitjee.com http://www.bansaliitjee.com http://www.narayanadelhi.com http://www.pcmbtoday.com. The first two offer the latest test papers on their site as freebies, solutions included. Arihant Prakashan offers solutions compiled as a reference book. The last one - MTG publications - publish the question papers along with the solutions as and when the tests are taken in their monthly education related journals. I hope this clears any doubts regarding the copyright status of the IIT JEE Papers. <font color=red>I will, however, cease uploading printed pages.</span> I also assume that it automatically justifies my subsequent submissions of the question papers as text. --[[User:Thewinster|Thewinster]] ([[User talk:Thewinster|talk]]) 17:14, 22 April 2008 (UTC) :I'm not sure I understand the distinction you're trying make here. When someone writes that stuff down, they create something to which they own the copyright. This is called fixation. It doesn't matter whether it is based on their recollection of discussions with tutors or what have you. Simply the act of writing it down creates the copyright. Furthermore, the fact that they're published online probably means they ''are'' copyrighted. Perhaps I'm missing something here, but that seems akin to saying that "I found it through Google - that website wouldn't have posted it if they didn't want it to be freely available." &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:57, 22 April 2008 (UTC) Check my edit above in green and then read ahead. The confusion arouse because my last post assumed you read Webaware's talk page. I hope it will be easier to pass on a verdict from here. :D * Consider source 1 - let us say Arihant Prakashan. They publish the question paper sets along with their solutions <B>in the form of a for sale reference book</B> with a clear copyright notice on the solution. Wouldn't they have sued the other four sources for publishing the question papers in their journals or online for free if they had owned the copyrights to the papers? The point in referencing five sources was not that those papers were free but that the question papers are nobody's property - intellectual or otherwise. * <I>When someone writes that stuff down, they create something to which they own the copyright. This is called fixation. It doesn't matter whether it is based on their recollection of discussions with tutors or what have you. Simply the act of writing it down creates the copyright.</I> While it is perfectly true, we need to note that the papers are set by Profs at the IITs. How can third party teachers win copyrights over them by just writing them down? This is equivalent to handing over the copyrights of the Bible to some priest who memorised it and wrote it down somewhere. <font color=red>This, I emphasize, is not a joke or a retort - it is a perfect metaphor of the situation.</span> --[[User:Thewinster|Thewinster]] ([[User talk:Thewinster|talk]]) 09:39, 23 April 2008 (UTC) == Bloom Clock bot run, again :) == Heya Mike, Time for another update... slightly more complicated this time though: let me know if there's a problem. Following either of 2 categories: [[v:Category:Bcptop v. 8.3.9]] or [[v:Category:Bcpmiddle v. 7.11.6]] The top template is easy: just "grab": <pre> | version tracking for top template (for robotic use) = 8.3.9 </pre> and replace with: <pre> | Higher taxa = | Cookbook link = | General information = | version tracking for top template (for robotic use) = 8.4.25 </pre> The middle template is slightly more complicated (3 replacements): Grab: <pre> | New Region 1 = </pre> and replace with <pre> | Western Bohemia = </pre> '''Note:''' Do not replace the whole line. There may already be data entered on some pages! Grab: <pre> | New Region 2 = </pre> and replace with <pre> | Victoria, Australia = </pre> '''Note:''' Do not replace the whole line. There is already some data entered on some pages! Then finally, Grab: <pre> | version tracking for middle template (for robotic use) = 7.11.6 </pre> and replace with: <pre> | New Region 3 = | New Region 4 = | New Region 5 = | New Region 6 = | New Region 7 = | New Region 8 = | New Region 9 = | New Region 10 = | New Region 11 = | New Region 12 = | version tracking for middle template (for robotic use) = 8.4.25 </pre> The idea in the future is to just keep assigning new regions whenever a contributor is ready for one, and then robotically change the BCP page text later. You can see how I'm doing that [http://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ABloom_clock_plant_middle&diff=257180&oldid=182354 here], if you're interested. We have a very large number of new contributors lately, so will probably need another bot run again in a month or so to re-update the middle template (and possibly add some stuff to the bottom template as well). Thanks again! --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 10:28, 25 April 2008 (UTC) :[[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] '''Done'''&nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:13, 25 April 2008 (UTC) == WB interview == Yes, I am stilling doing yours. I am really busy with exam until next Tuesday. All publications are pushed back 2 weeks (see [[w:User:OhanaUnited/Sister Projects Interview|the schedule]]). Those dates are not corrected yet, so the earliest for Wikibooks interview to be published is May 12. [[User:OhanaUnited|<b><span style="color:#0000FF">OhanaUnited</span></b>]][[User talk:OhanaUnited|<b><span style="color:green"><sup>Talk page</sup></span></b>]] 17:03, 25 April 2008 (UTC) :Yup, noted. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:06, 25 April 2008 (UTC) == The verdict == Just wondering. What was the conclusion of the discussion above? Hoping a positive reply! Thanks --[[User:Thewinster|Thewinster]] ([[User talk:Thewinster|talk]]) 18:23, 25 April 2008 (UTC) :Well, I'm still convinced you don't have the right to release that content under the GFDL, though who the copyright holder ''actually is'' is unclear. Nevertheless, it seems clear to me that someone's rights are being infringed here (probably the students'). &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:15, 25 April 2008 (UTC) Awww...!!! Unlucky me! Why? Why does it infringe the students' rights? If we get back at it, the students have no role to play other than recall from memory what somebody else them asked in some question paper. By doing so if they do not infringe anyone's copyrights why is that we are infringing? As a matter of fact even I am a student who has answered that examination. If the invisible student has any copyrights, am I not able to release it under the GFDL? If they do not then we have got to find the copyright owners. <font color=red>You <B>may</B> be right, there is a copyright but to whom it belongs is unclear.</span> The problem is * The IITs set a question paper * Nowhere in the examination brochure, question paper, counselling brochure or any web presence of the IITs does anyone mention or claim any copyright over the question papers. Any doubts whatsoever and I try my best to present you with the relevant details! --[[User:Thewinster|Thewinster]] ([[User talk:Thewinster|talk]]) 17:36, 27 April 2008 (UTC) :Well, the questions are copyrighted by whoever wrote them in the first place, regardless of whether they're marked as such. If someone copied them (even from memory) that is technically a copyright violation. A scan of said copyright violation is therefore also a copyright violation. I'm not crystal clear on the caselaw, but if you insist, I can look it up. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:09, 27 April 2008 (UTC) I did say I wont be uploading scans. And thanks for the little offer to look up to the legalese. Defintely yes for that. By the way, I just got a little query. Many many questions on the question paper are standard ones, say 2+2=? for a first grade student and the likes only that they have altered the presentation a bit. What if we alter the question paper language and the presentation etc.? Can we circumvent this technical copyright violation? I say <font color=red>technical</span> because no one will actually bother to claim copyright on this work! It is for the immense responsibility that wikimedia has to show in its content policy that we have to do censor the QPs I guess. :Very simple stuff like that are {{tlx|PD-ineligible}} so feel free to use those! &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 13:06, 28 April 2008 (UTC) Finally! Well, that 2+2=4 analogy is strictly an analogy. The question papers are of a respectable level, but the thing is - they contain work that is common property. --[[User:Thewinster|Thewinster]] ([[User talk:Thewinster|talk]]) 18:27, 28 April 2008 (UTC) == My screenshot's probpem... == Some time ago, I've expanded article [[MediaWiki_Administrator's_Handbook/Spam_and_Spammers]] and added sreenshots of some captcha plugins. These screenshots were removed... Can you please solve the problem with this screenshots? 1. These pluguins are opensource. 2. I've made this screenshots myself 2.1. As an author of these screenshots I wish to share them at any licence that is acceptebe at your site. What else can I do in order to get these images back to the article? PS please add copy of the answer, or a link to it to my talk page, so I will be able to receive it. [[User:Shaplov|Shaplov]] ([[User talk:Shaplov|talk]]) 09:46, 27 April 2008 (UTC) :Restored, fixed & reverted the removals. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 14:56, 27 April 2008 (UTC) == Image uploads == Thanks for the note re "source". I drew the images myself, what does "source" mean in that context? I should put my name? That would be odd since the name is already in the "Author" slot, so what to do? --[[User:Mcld|Mcld]] ([[User talk:Mcld|talk]]) 13:39, 28 April 2008 (UTC) :"self-made" would be perfect. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:11, 28 April 2008 (UTC) == Proteomics: Corticosteroids == I was trying to make this page for a school prodject. Do you want me to wait untill its complete to post it? :You can post it whenever you want (please follow [[WB:NP|the naming policy]]), but test edits should be made in the [[WB:SB|sandbox]]. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:37, 1 May 2008 (UTC) == Sorry but... == I don't want to come across as objecting to every nominations you make, but since you are the one making most of them I will mostly object to yours. In the same subject I pretty much against deletion of content if not directly opposed to policy and even on some stances I will probably push the envelope on what is acceptable and will support most changes that can make Wikibooks more inclusive.<br> On the copyvio I'm strongly against bringing copyvio discussions to the VfD forum, I have prety much explained why I object to it but mostly because delete votes will mostly made without any deep understanding of facts, event and consideration to contributors to the works involved.<br> Ok just to make it clear to you that I'm not blinding objecting to your cleanup work but only to some of your decisions or approaches to some issues. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 03:12, 1 May 2008 (UTC) :{{tlx|copyvio}} is for ''blatant'' copyright violations - that is perhaps not the case with [[Ear piercing]]. As an aside, I don't see what's wrong with !voting ''delete'' based solely on copyright concerns and not "any deep understanding of facts, event and consideration to contributors to the works involved." Copyright violations are a perfectly valid reason to delete, so why would you need anything additional? &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:20, 1 May 2008 (UTC) ::No you misunderstood me, I don't propose anything special at all and I don't view {{tlx|copyvio}} as only to be used to ''blatant'' violation (I particularly don't like the level of "confidence" you seem to imply with the word), it is or it is not (in doubt it is not), any one not being/representing the copyright holder doesn't have the legal obligation of researching and provide prof of ownership, some of us do it as a preemptive measure to protect the legality of the content we use, the project and Wikimedia and mostly only on clear evidence of a copyright violation. ::As I read and understand the requirements the copyvio tag is a better avenue than bringing to the accusation to a more public forum, simply using the copyvio tag (and we expect everyone does it with the needed considerations and with a good moral ground) permits the parties involved not only to be aware of the problem but also avenues to address the issue. ::I don't see any way a person would vote keep to a VfD nomination based on a copyvio allegation and don't see it as the best approach to a productive resolution of the problem, the only instance I see for calling outside (of the work/edit) intervention is to help establish the facts and VfD doesn't seem the best place for it. Bringing a copyvio to a VfD discussion is almost guaranteed to make it mush more difficult to the "problematic" contributor to resolve the issue, I think this is avoidable and stream lined by simply using the copyvio that will target only users interested on that specific content and increase the responsibility of the person that tags the work as such. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 03:43, 1 May 2008 (UTC) BTW: Have you kept tabs on the [[Advanced Interactive Media]] ? <s>Is the restructuring under any timeline</s>[http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Votes_for_deletion/Advanced_Interactive_Media_Class VfD discussion here], since it seems to be still evolving as a course and major rewrite and restructuring will still be needed to turn it into a book... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 04:06, 1 May 2008 (UTC) :It is still in progress. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:59, 2 May 2008 (UTC) == re: Delete == 14:54, 2 May 2008 Mike.lifeguard (Talk | contribs) deleted "About the author/Jazzmanian" ‎ (Not textbook material Any chance of getting the text from this deleted page from a historical version ? Obviously I must have put the page in the wrong spot, and will try and get it right, but I don't have a local copy of the text anywhere. Thanks. [[User:Jazzmanian|GG]] ([[User talk:Jazzmanian|talk]]) 18:15, 2 May 2008 (UTC) :[[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] '''Restored:''' [[About the author/Jazzmanian]]. Please see [[WB:NP]] for info on where it should go. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:59, 2 May 2008 (UTC) ::Thanks - I've got the text local now, so this can be deleted again. I've read the Naming Policy, [[WB:NP]] and am no wiser as to where or how to place my 'about the author' info, but I'll keep reading. [[User:Jazzmanian|GG]] ([[User talk:Jazzmanian|talk]]) 20:58, 2 May 2008 (UTC) :::Well, if this is supposed to be part of a book you're writing, it should be at Book Name/Authors or something. If it's supposed to be about you, but not connected to any particular book, it should go on [[User:Jazzmanian|your userpage]]. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:17, 2 May 2008 (UTC) cfpz8o8ttsw6gi79yk1zfn1bjfrwzof 3 157602 4654229 1183416 2026-07-12T18:09:46Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654229 wikitext text/x-wiki At the risk of giving you far more attention than you deserve, I'm changing your block to indefinite, running checkuser on you, and protecting this page. --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 22:54, 12 May 2008 (UTC) 1qh3knbrpdpt0zn8x7mbfht3nom675e 3 158356 4654238 1207479 2026-07-12T18:11:28Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654238 wikitext text/x-wiki <[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 17|older]] [[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 19|newer]]> {{Talkarchive}} {{-}} == thank you! == on several occasions you've fixed the new pages i've created where i've forgotten to include the ''cookbook:'' prefix to my page name ... thanks!! [[User:Wikidsoup|Wikidsoup]] ([[User talk:Wikidsoup|talk]]) 22:43, 2 May 2008 (UTC) == About the Author == Hi Mike, I'd like to hear your thoughts regarding the creation of "About the author" pages. I have one at [[:About the author/Jomegat]] and I transclude it in several chapters of the [[:Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book]]. There are a few other authors who have also created them (after I encouraged them to do so). [[User:Jazzmanian]] created one last week and you moved it around and maybe deleted it. I'm too tired right now to track down everything that happened (just returned from a weekend camping trip) but thought it would be good to see what you were thinking. Do you think they are appropriate (I obviously do)? Do you think they belong in user space (I think maybe they do). --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 23:29, 4 May 2008 (UTC) : Ha! Just read the answer a little further up on this talk page. I think that's prolly a good idea, so I'll move mine (but maybe tomorrow - I am awfully tired tonight). --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 23:32, 4 May 2008 (UTC) ::Yeah, if it's going to be transcluded into several books, it should be either a template or in your userspace (best idea). There's no book called [[About the Author]], so the mainspace isn't a good location for it. At least, that's my take on it. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 12:34, 5 May 2008 (UTC) :::I think I found all of them and moved them into user space. I created mine when I was still pretty much a noob here and never really gave it a second thought. Thanks for your input on this. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 14:08, 5 May 2008 (UTC) ::::Is there an easy way to do this then ? I was editing my profile page where I added my about. If I can create one in the correct spot, mine in the incorrect place can be deleted please. [[User:Jazzmanian|Gerald]] ([[User talk:Jazzmanian|talk]]) 19:43, 6 May 2008 (UTC) ::::: Hi Gerald - It looks like you have one in the correct spot ([[:User:Jazzmanian/About the author]]). To add that to a book just insert <nowiki>{{:User:Jazzmanian/About the author}}</nowiki> where ever you want it to show up. If you can point me to one that's not in the right place, I can delete it for you. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 19:50, 6 May 2008 (UTC) ::::::I thought that one was delete for being in the wrong spot - perhaps when Mike restored it, he relocated correctly on my behalf. - If so Thanks Mike ! [[User:Jazzmanian|Gerald]] ([[User talk:Jazzmanian|talk]]) 00:03, 7 May 2008 (UTC) ::::::: The wrong spot was [[:About the author/Jazzmanian]]. The preferred spot is in the User: namespace. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 00:06, 7 May 2008 (UTC) You guys got it :) &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:57, 7 May 2008 (UTC) :So mine is good now - cool ! Thanks all ! [[User:Jazzmanian|Gerald]] ([[User talk:Jazzmanian|talk]]) 06:09, 7 May 2008 (UTC) == Radiation Oncology textbook == Thank you for your nomination of the [[Radiation_Oncology]] textbook for a [[WB:FBN#Radiation_Oncology|Featured Book]]. We recently received an acceptance of an abstract describing it at our professional society ([http://www.astro.org/ ASTRO]) annual meeting. I just wanted to follow-up to see if/what else we need to do to continue with the nomination process. Thanks! [[User:Tdvorak|Tdvorak]] ([[User talk:Tdvorak|talk]]) 03:37, 6 May 2008 (UTC) :There's nothing left, except for an admin to close the discussion. It looks like there's a fair amount of discussion, and the only negative comments have been addressed, or are relatively minor (formatting). I would do it myself, but as I'm the nominator, I can't. I imagine someone else will get to it soon enough. Congrats on getting the abstract accepted. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:43, 6 May 2008 (UTC) == now commons == Excuse me, it's true "GFDL Presume" deceived me, I had not seen the "presumed", I had only done if the graphics, not much content, then I saw GFDL and I believed everything was ok. my mistake, sorry again <small>'''(translate by google)'''</small>--[[User:Wim b|Wim b]] ([[User talk:Wim b|talk]]) 21:21, 7 May 2008 (UTC) :It's no problem, as these images were fixed. Thanks for taking care in the future. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:24, 7 May 2008 (UTC) == I reject your warning == Wikibooks2PDF only accepts Wikibooks URLs. Thus it was for testing reasons the only way to use a normal Wikibooks page because the Sandbox can be modified from another user when using Wikibooks2PDF. Feel free to block my IP for some days _ I have made my test and will never come back to meet so "friendly" people like you. No regards --[[Special:Contributions/84.60.192.116|84.60.192.116]] ([[User talk:84.60.192.116|talk]]) 22:00, 8 May 2008 (UTC) == Useful? == [[Help:Wikibooks for Wikipedians]] came across this {{tlx|useful}} template, not sure if it was a mistake or intended but it prevents reading of the page. :Okay, not your edit, rather it's the template that's been changed. [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Useful&action=history] [[User:SunCreator|SunCreator]] ([[User talk:SunCreator|talk]]) 11:53, 10 May 2008 (UTC) == Re: Missing license == Thanks for alerting me about the image with missing license. I have edited it, please check if it is fine now. I was careless while uploading the image and forgot to add the license template. Sorry for the trouble caused. Regards,<br />[[User:SPat|SPat]] ([[User talk:SPat|talk]]) 07:34, 11 May 2008 (UTC) :Looks good to me. Thanks. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 13:52, 11 May 2008 (UTC) == Yet another bot job (wikiversity) == This time just a minor modification to the middle template, and a massive change for the bottom template (trying to add more switch functions and get rid of the embedded templates we've been using up 'til now). <!-- Follow categories middle = [[v:Category:Bcpmiddle v. 8.4.25]] bottom = [[v:Category:Bcpbottom v. 7.10.24]] On the middle template: '''1.''' Change "New Region 3" to "Moravia-Silesia" '''2.''' Change "New Region 4" to "Czech name" '''3.''' Change "New Region 5" to "Aurora, Colorado" '''4.''' Grab: <pre> | version tracking for middle template (for robotic use) = 8.4.25 </pre> ...and replace with: <pre> | New Region 13 = | New Region 14 = | New Region 15 = | version tracking for middle template (for robotic use) = 8.5.12 </pre> For the bottom template: '''1.''' Grab: <pre> | flower color (/ white, pink, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, purple, brown, black) = </pre> ...and replace with: <pre> | white flowers = | pink flowers = | red flowers = | orange flowers = | yellow flowers = | green flowers = | blue flowers = | purple flowers = | brown flowers = | black flowers = | flower color (/ white, pink, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, purple, brown, black) = </pre> '''2.''' Grab: <pre> | pollination method (/pollination/ wind, insect, water, self) = </pre> ...and replace with: <pre> | insect pollinated = | wind pollinated = | bird pollinated = | water pollinated = | self pollinated = | pollination method (/pollination/ wind, insect, water, self) = </pre> '''3.''' Grab: <pre> | type (/ herbaceous, shrub, tree, vine) = </pre> ...and replace with: <pre> | herbaceous = | woody = | forb = | shrub = | tree = | vine = | emergent aquatic = | submerged aquatic = | floating aquatic = | type (/ herbaceous, shrub, tree, vine) = </pre> '''4.''' Grab: <pre> | leaves absent when flowering (yes if true) = </pre> ...and replace with: <pre> | fruits present when flowering (yes if possible) = | leaves absent when flowering (yes if possible) = </pre> '''5.''' Grab: <pre> | version tracking for bottom template (for robotic use) = 7.10.24 </pre> ...and replace with: <pre> | leaf veination (pinnate, palmate, linear) = | version tracking for bottom template (for robotic use) = 8.5.12 </pre> --> One general request for all of these: please add a blank space after the "=". This makes it a bit more pleasant to edit (looks funny when there'sno space, and the template acts the same). Diff for reference (mostly... I also fixed a couple of the fields): http://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=BCP%2FRhododendron_calendulaceum&diff=266067&oldid=265983 Let me know if there are any issues, and thanks yet again! Hopefully we won't need another for at least a month or so, unless we get a sudden flood of new contributors. --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 14:10, 12 May 2008 (UTC) :[[Image:Symbol wait.svg|15px]] '''Delayed''' until later in the week, but it's on my list. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:52, 12 May 2008 (UTC) :[[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] '''Done''' &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 12:52, 18 May 2008 (UTC) ==POLT image== Hello Mike, Thank you for your hard work. However, we are wondering why you deleted the book image of POLT (http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/The_Practice_of_Learning_Theories) again. As I explained to you last year, the POLT is one of Dr. Bonk's research project and he hired someone to create the book image that you deleted. So, the owner of the copyright for the image is Dr. Bonk (cjbonk@indiana.edu). Please let us know what is wrong with our image. Thank you. :If Dr. Bonk owns the copyright, then it needs to be freely licensed. I had explained that previously, but couldn't enforce it at the time. Since then, we have enacted [[WB:MEDIA|a media policy]], which made the licensing situation contrary to policy. The cover image must be free; there are two ways to achieve this: :#Freely-license the deleted image, which would of course be restored, or :#Create or find a new freely-licensed image. :I'll email as well. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:50, 13 May 2008 (UTC) == commons:Image:ValvesOfHeardUltrasoundImage.gif == Can we correct the mis-spelling in the filename commons:Image:ValvesOfHeardUltrasoundImage.gif - as in commons:Image:ValvesOfHeartUltrasoundImage.gif - valves of the HEART! [[User:KieranMaher|marz]] ([[User talk:KieranMaher|talk]]) 07:20, 18 May 2008 (UTC) :I've asked for a rename for that image. I think BetacommandBot was down earlier, so it may be some time until it is done. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 12:55, 18 May 2008 (UTC) == Missing license for picture == Hi Mike, I think I corrected the missing lisc for my picture on my user page. Could you double check that I did this correctly? Pic is ok now? Thanks, -Elizabeth [[User:Eschm001|Eschm001]] ([[User talk:Eschm001|talk]]) 22:10, 20 May 2008 (UTC) :Looks good to me. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:25, 20 May 2008 (UTC) == Needs a long Block == Take a look at this edit by 212.219.59.241 [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks%3AReading_room%2FAdministrative_Assistance&diff=1191998&oldid=1191997 1] If you look on his talk page you can see that he has been warned and blocked before. Or it might be a school, I'm not really sure. But they/s(he) need to be stopped. ([[User:Red4tribe|Red4tribe]] ([[User talk:Red4tribe|talk]]) 12:39, 23 May 2008 (UTC)) :Thanks, [[User:Darklama|darklama]] did it (6mo, AO/ACB). &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:55, 23 May 2008 (UTC) == Social and Cultural Foundations of Education == Hello, Sorry for the creation of new (and empty) pages. We are in the process of reorganizing the books and I only had time to begin yesterday. Thank you for your understanding! [[User:Jkauf007|Jkauf007]] ([[User talk:Jkauf007|talk]]) 17:36, 23 May 2008 (UTC) :I'm used to it by now :) I just meant that that one is possibly in the wrong spot, as it's not a subpage of anything, which I assume it should be. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:33, 23 May 2008 (UTC) == Methods Manual for Salt Lake Studies == Hello Mike Lifeguard, I am trying to put the category onto my subpages, as you suggested, but it keeps inserting the word "template" into the category. Is this meant to happen? I have made the change on my Methods Manual for Salt Lake Studies/Authors page for you to have a look at when you have the chance. All the best Peri --[[User:Peri Coleman|Peri Coleman]] ([[User talk:Peri Coleman|talk]]) 06:10, 26 May 2008 (UTC)Mmm, I keep forgetting to sign my name - sorry. ```` :I [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Methods_Manual_for_Salt_Lake_Studies/Authors&diff=1193931&oldid=1193887 changed] that page for you - all the pages in that book should have <nowiki>[[Category:Methds Manual for Salk Lake Studies|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]]</nowiki> to categorize them - no need to use a template. You can just copy that snippet of text and it'll work everywhere. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 11:09, 26 May 2008 (UTC) == Methods Manual for Salt Lake Studies == Thanks Mike... The learning curve is a little steep for my arthritic neurons, but between you and my son & daughter-in-law who are both geeks and are cheering on from the sidelines (between rolling round hysterically laughing at my complete befuddlement by the wikilanguage) I hope to see some progress with the book soon. And I've found the signature button![[User:Peri Coleman|Peri Coleman]] ([[User talk:Peri Coleman|talk]]) 22:22, 26 May 2008 (UTC) :Well, there's plenty of geeks to help out if you need it. Here of [[WB:HELP]] &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:27, 27 May 2008 (UTC) == My request for Adminship == Hi. Sorry to keep bothering you. I have currently made a request to become an admin [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Requests_for_adminship ], and it has not recieved any attention in the 3 or 4 days it has been up. Since you seem to be one of the most active members on wikibooks, I am very eager to see what you have to say, whichever way you feel. Any comment would be appreciated. Thanks again. [[User:Red4tribe|Red4tribe]] ([[User talk:Red4tribe|talk]]) 00:58, 27 May 2008 (UTC) :Commenting now... &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:28, 27 May 2008 (UTC) == Re: AWB Bug ''Inability to retrieve lists from special pages, image pages or links'' == Hi Mike, Hope your keeping well [[:w:Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Bugs#Inability_to_retrieve_lists_from_special_pages.2C_image_pages_or_links]] Finally have got around to trying to deal with this bug (as im in the process of overhauling the back end of the list maker, making it more modular, and able to accept listmaker plugins and such. Where the 3 problems Special Pages, Link on Page and Images on Page? As the latter 2 seem to work again (must have been more API changes), but special pages is certainly still broken. Just wanting to verify what was broken Please feel free to reply to me at en.wp, or on the bug entry at AWB. Thanks! [[User:Reedy|Reedy]] ([[User talk:Reedy|talk]]) 09:36, 28 May 2008 (UTC) :Will do this later. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 10:20, 28 May 2008 (UTC) == Page Patrol == I'll start patrolling the new page feed right away. Thanks for the support. [[User:Red4tribe|Red4tribe]] ([[User talk:Red4tribe|talk]]) 23:43, 28 May 2008 (UTC) :Actually, now that it comes to me, I do have one question. If the page contains little to no information at all, is generally new, and is part of a much larger book, do I need to tage it with something? [[User:Red4tribe|Red4tribe]] ([[User talk:Red4tribe|talk]]) 23:59, 28 May 2008 (UTC) ::Depends. If it belongs to a book, it is probably ok. Very short pages (<5 sentences?) should perhaps get {{tlx|query|''comments if any''}}. As well, you will get to know which books are active - usually there is only one contributor per book, and other people adding pages in those books deserve a bit more attention. As well, the Cookbook pages are very often copyvios :( ::For a more concrete example, point to an example :) &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:10, 29 May 2008 (UTC) :::This one I tagged for expansion. Not sure if that is the best to put. [[Principles of Finance/Section 1/Chapter 6/Corp/Val]][[User:Red4tribe|Red4tribe]] ([[User talk:Red4tribe|talk]]) 01:46, 29 May 2008 (UTC) ::::I changed that one to {{tlx|query}}. Unless that gets expanded soon it is not useful, even as a stub. They can simply remove the template and/or comment on the talk page to explain what's going on with that; otherwise, we'll get rid of it. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:42, 29 May 2008 (UTC) :::::Allright, so I'll use query for ones similar to that. [[User:Red4tribe|Red4tribe]] ([[User talk:Red4tribe|talk]]) 22:24, 29 May 2008 (UTC) == Chilean salmon sector == Hi, Just a comment on the deletion of the "Chilean salmon sector". I published this article on Wikipedia, but an administrator deleted it and said that I had to publish the article on Wikibooks. Any advice? Thanks, Bcbolman ([[User talk:Bcbolman|talk]]) 23:43, 29 May 2008 (UTC) :Hello Mike, I'm the said administrator from Wikipedia. The article is a copy of his master thesis, which ya prolly know is original research, so it's not appropriate for Wikipedia. I directed him here on the advice of another Administrator. If this was wrong, I apologize. --[[User:DeadEyeArrow|DeadEyeArrow]] ([[User talk:DeadEyeArrow|talk]]) 14:17, 29 May 2008 (UTC) ::Please take care to read our [[WB:WIW|inclusion policy]]. Wikibooks is not a dumping ground for content rejected at Wikipedia. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:49, 29 May 2008 (UTC) Hello Mike & DEA, It seems that the salmon article is 'locked in' between Wikibooks and Wikipedia. Can we find a solution? The information itself is very useful for those who are both interested and active in the sector. The article explains the roots of the Chilean salmon sector; i.e. why does it exist and how did it develop. Regards, Bcbolman ([[User talk:Bcbolman|talk]]) 00:30, 30 May 2008 (UTC) :You may wish to publish your work in a peer-reviewed journal or other academic forum - that is not what Wikibooks is for. If you must publish it on a wiki, please check whether [[v:|Wikiversity]] would allow it. :If you wish to write something which is not original research, you may do so (I would suggest adding it as a case study in one of the [[Wikibooks:Business and economics bookshelf|economics]] books). Since you have just done your thesis on this, I suspect that this will be difficult to do since there is not a lot of scholarship on this topic already. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:58, 29 May 2008 (UTC) 5jwifonpzic5e02scstlf20yrp32ql0 3 160790 4654239 1233066 2026-07-12T18:11:29Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654239 wikitext text/x-wiki <[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 18|older]] [[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 20|newer]]> {{Talkarchive}} {{-}} == External image linking == Hi Mike, Such images are essential to the book's information - I knew that downloading them and reuploading to wiki would potentially be copyright infringement but I fail to see how externally linking (essentially saying: if you want more information, visit this external link) breaks any laws, US or otherwise. Please clarify, Leo :It doesn't break the law, we just frown upon it (strongly). There are possibly suitable diagrams in [[commons:|Commons]], and you can ask someone to make you a diagram if you need to. Also, there may well be free sources of such diagrams/photos on the internet, but it will take some looking. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 12:34, 30 May 2008 (UTC) I do my best to look for appropriate images on the commons but I often find they are too advanced or too simple for my needs - a common problem since A-Levels are somewhat of an intermediary course between simple (GCSE) and complicated (university courses). I will look for free image sources, but in cases where they are not available and I cannot easily make them myself, I will externally link to images, as well as describe the images best as I can to reduce their necessity. Is this an acceptable compromise? --[[User:Greenie|Greenie]] ([[User talk:Greenie|talk]]) 22:24, 1 June 2008 (UTC) :I would rather you didn't link to unfree images; this is almost as bad as using a copyrighted image where a free alternative could be made (which we don't do). If you are finding images at Commons which are not quite right for your purposes, you should work with the uploader or [[commons:Commons:Graphic Lab School/Images to improve]] to alter it to fit your needs. Until then, even a sub-par image from Commons is better than linking to an unfree image elsewhere! &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:52, 2 June 2008 (UTC) == You have ... == [http://de.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Benutzer_Diskussion%3AMike.lifeguard&diff=380886&oldid=358243 ... a message]. -- [[User:Heuler06|heuler06]] ([[User talk:Heuler06|talk]]) 06:05, 30 May 2008 (UTC) == Re:Usurpations == I have usurped Giggy and a slew of other requests from AN too. I'm not going to say anything bad about you not accepting that nomination, but I certainly am thinking it :). --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 15:41, 30 May 2008 (UTC) :Well perhaps now that SUL is rolled out for all it is time to reconsider... &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:05, 30 May 2008 (UTC) ::Eek, yeah, more b'crats :). WV is having the onslaught too, and we've got a lot of new crats running around barely keeping up! --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 12:36, 1 June 2008 (UTC) == RE: [[:Image:Wiki Cover Summer 2008 -- Machu Picchu77.JPG]] == I sent Elizabeth (the original photographer) an email asking her to contact the email address you mentioned. She's a great student, and I imagine that she will be in touch sometime during the next day or so, but if not, I'd sure appreciate a little patience. Honestly, I had a feeling there may be some catch to uploading an image originally created by someone else, so thanks for helping me navigate this complicated terrain. Elizabeth will be in touch with you asap! Hope you have a great weekend! [[User:PbakerODU|Pete]] ([[User talk:PbakerODU|talk]]) 19:17, 30 May 2008 (UTC) :Yeah, the catch is just that we need permission from the copyright holder sent to [[commons:Commons:OTRS|OTRS]]. I promise to have patience :) &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:17, 30 May 2008 (UTC) == [[Bartending]] and {{tl|Delete}} == First, thank you for helping me clean up all that stuff. I noticed in the logs you were the person doing all the grunt work. I was going to send you a thank you before logging off, but you beat me too it. :-) Especially think you for the [[Talk:Bartending/Alcohol/Wine]] merge help. Secondly, sorry about going overboard on he delete comments. I don't know all the buzzwords for speedy delete here, so I figured it was better to just explain why it was an obvious SD even if it didn't ''exactly'' fit neatly into a specific SD policy (or perhaps fit into several). Since I contribute on several Foundation sites (mostly the English versions of Wikipedia, Commons, and once again here), it gets hard for me to remember every site's particular nuances when it comes to that sort of thing. I basically act boldly (but not recklessly) until someone slaps me for something, and then I try to learn. So, I will try to do better here and won't use my signature. Do you have suggested verbiage for the types of delete requests I have been making? In a big project like this, I kind of become a human bot, and just replicate my actions as much as possible to avoid burning out brain cells. Some stock request comments ''would'' make it easier than coming up with new ones each time. This will be even more important when I delve into the cruft littering the cocktail recipes area. And after all that is cleaned up, I will need some help transwikiing a lot of stuff over from Wikipedia into [[Bartending Guide]] here, and then linking the two sites together better. The second part should be easy, but the transwikiing part I'm still a little tentative on. Maybe I can ask for a little assistance from you when I get to that point? Thanks again! --<font face="Tahoma">[[User:Willscrlt|'''<span style="color:royalblue">Will</span>'''<span style="color:crimson">scrlt</span>]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:Willscrlt|<span style="color:royalblue">Talk</span>]])</small></span> 17:30, 31 May 2008 (UTC) :The default delete reasons are listed at [[MediaWiki:Deletereason-dropdown]] - anything there would be fine. For bringing stuff over from WP, you'll want to make a request at [[WB:RFI]] listing the pages you want transwikied. And you can always ask me or another admin if you get stuck. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:38, 31 May 2008 (UTC) ::Thanks for both pieces of info. As to [[Bartending/Alcohol/Vodka]] reading like a Wikipedia article... I'm not really into the cleanup and improvement phase yet. I'm just trying to get everything reorganized first. I noticed that [[Cookbook:Vodka]] was a double-redirect, so I pulled that one section out of the larger article. I tried massaging the info a bit to be a bit more narrative, but, yes, it still sucks. :-) I'm trying to formulate a more standard layout for the various articles, but until I see for sure what all is there, it's pretty hard. I thought there was a lot more bartending info, but mostly it looks like a Wikipedia dumping ground (which I already knew from being on the Wikipedia side where everyone else's mantra is "Wikipedia is NOT a recipe book... dump it onto Wikibooks!"). My goal is to change that. I want to get the Wikipedia articles to have good in-depth information about notable drinks, and I want a variety of classic and modern drinks that are typically ordered in bars to be listed here. Fill these articles with some fun factoids that bartenders could share with customers, a little history if it's significant, and some ''common'' variations (not every possible variation under the sun!), and tips on preparation and presentation. You know, the stuff a beginning bartender might want to know. All the rest of the cruft can be dumped on 1001cocktails.com or someplace that readily accepts every drink and variation known to man. Dunno if I will ever finish or not, but it's a goal. :-) It took me 3 months to get Wikipedia whipped into a lot better shape, and 1.5 years later, the effects are still visible (which makes me happy). I would appreciate it if you don't tag every article with a "needs improvement" badge, though. The whole dang book needs improvement, and that's what I'm trying to do. Once we get some decent articles, then we can start tagging the worst ones. Ok? :-) Also, I don't want this to remain a one-man show forever. Since the book has had basically no work done on it for months (except transwiki dumping), I figured it was time to rebuild the framework, and then once that's in place, try to drum up some help to improve and add content within that framework. That's what worked at Wikipedia, and hopefully it will work here, too. I still can't get over the radically slower pace around here, though. It's much more peaceful and comfortable here. I really like it! I'm just telling you all this so you understand my motivations and methods. I'm not a flake, though things are stirring in my offline life that may keep me away for a while (family health issues that could require a lot of back and forth distant travel). But once the real world settles down again, I'll pick right back up and keep on editing. I just want to get as much done as I can before I get called away. That's another reason I appreciate your help with the speedy deletes. Have a good weekend! --<font face="Tahoma">[[User:Willscrlt|'''<span style="color:royalblue">Will</span>'''<span style="color:crimson">scrlt</span>]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:Willscrlt|<span style="color:royalblue">Talk</span>]])</small></span> 19:57, 31 May 2008 (UTC) :::If you think cleanup tags aren't helpful, consider that the last :) I find it is helpful though when you have more than one person working as you can point and say "There!" :::Generally we're much more laid-back here & it's a tight-knit (small) community. I just couldn't work at Wikipedia, which is how I ended up here. Sorry to hear about that news; I hope everything works out for the best. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:41, 31 May 2008 (UTC) :::: Right now, in that particular book, no... not really helpful. Once we get things sorted out, then yes. Do you use article assessments here like on Wikipedia? You know, where a page is stub, start, B, A, GA, FA, etc.? I know you have featured books, and since this is a book-oriented site, page-specific stuff might not usually be helpful. However, I think that for a sprawling project like this one, it would be helpful. If there isn't such a tool here, what do you think about me starting one? It would go on the talk pages, just like at Wikipedia--keeping it out of the main content. I could certainly keep it project-only, but if anyone else would find it useful, then maybe it should be offered to all and used by those who want it, and ignored by most everyone else. Anyway, I'm signing off for the day. TTFN. --<font face="Tahoma">[[User:Willscrlt|'''<span style="color:royalblue">Will</span>'''<span style="color:crimson">scrlt</span>]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:Willscrlt|<span style="color:royalblue">Talk</span>]])</small></span> 21:26, 31 May 2008 (UTC) :::::No, we don't use assessments like that. Hopefully we will get FlaggedRevs soon (though there is a surprising lack of interest in it) which will be used for that sort of thing. However manual assessments like that are not worth doing. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:44, 31 May 2008 (UTC) == Re: [[Digital Television]] == Yes, it's a wikibook, not an encyclopedia article. Although I prefer for it to have the formal writing style common to Wikipedia article, it will deal with the practical aspects of digital television use and setup in ways not appropriate to Wikipedia but perfectly suited to Wikibooks. If you have any recommendations, though, I'm all ears.--[[User:Father Goose|Father Goose]] ([[User talk:Father Goose|talk]]) 18:09, 31 May 2008 (UTC) :I'd recommend that you make [[Digital Television]] the page where you have your table of contents, and move content to a subpage as described by [[Wikibooks:Naming policy]]. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:37, 31 May 2008 (UTC) ::All right, I'll probably do that after I get a few chapters into it.--[[User:Father Goose|Father Goose]] ([[User talk:Father Goose|talk]]) 19:49, 31 May 2008 (UTC) ==POLT image== Someone took down my book cover again. http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Web_2.0_and_Emerging_Learning_Technologies curt bonk at cjbonk@indiana.edu and nari Kim at narkim@indiana.edu :I had just lost that one; it should have been restored, and now is (along with GFDL and OTRS templates) &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:33, 4 June 2008 (UTC) ==Roll&Patrol== Do you know how long I have to wait to get the roll and patrol? [[User:Red4tribe|Red4tribe]] ([[User talk:Red4tribe|talk]]) 21:03, 3 June 2008 (UTC) :Oh, I can give you rollback right now. I just want to make sure you're consistently patrolling well before doing that one - I'll take a look at your log now... &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:32, 4 June 2008 (UTC) ::Looks good, I'll set the bit now. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:14, 4 June 2008 (UTC) == Michael Mann == I am a little confused about how to provide the correct tag for the image you referenced. It was taken from a freely available report issued by the Arizona Summit on 21st century skills. The link in my references section will take you there. Can you provide some help? Thank you. [[User:Mmann019|Mmann019]] ([[User talk:Mmann019|talk]]) 12:18, 4 June 2008 (UTC) :From what I can see there, the image is copyrighted. Since it is possible to replace it with a free alternative, we wouldn't accept a fair use claim on that image. Please create or have someone create a free alternative. You may wish to ask in [[irc:wikimedia-commons|#wikimedia-commons]] or a participant at [[commons:Commons:Graphic Lab School/Images to improve]] if they can help you to do so. Unfortunately, I'm no good with graphics, or else I'd do it for you. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 14:54, 4 June 2008 (UTC) == Re: Mistakes? (and a question) == Hi Mike, Yes, these pages were created in error. The links were fine and dandy, except for that "editing" at the beginning. I apologize for the inconvenience. Thanks for your hard work. Wikibooks runs more smoothly because of you and your fellow admins. Now, for a question, what is the official party line on wiki usernames on module pages? We have created an "About the Authors" section in our most recent wikibook and believe that posting links to authors' user pages would substantially add to the user-friendliness of our book. Can you see your way clear to give us permission to do this? If not, do you have any alternative suggestions we may not have considered? As always, thanks very much for your help. Hope you have a great day! [[User:PbakerODU|Pete]] ([[User talk:PbakerODU|talk]]) 18:55, 4 June 2008 (UTC) :Do you mean just a link to the student's userpage on the module? People can always look at the history to see all editors of the page, but if you think it's useful to have links to the author's page on the module itself, go for it. Of course you can always put that kind of thing on the talk page. The purpose of the talk page is for stuff about the module - notes, plans, discussion etc. But yeah, on the module itself is fine if that's what you want to do. :And I'll delete those pages. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:16, 4 June 2008 (UTC) == Question == I would like to become a more active member in the Wikibooks community. Since apparently there's no village pump like there is on Wikipedia, where would I request to improve Wikibooks in a certain topic, like Languages, in my case? [[User:Marcus2|Marcus2]] ([[User talk:Marcus2|talk]]) 15:43, 8 June 2008 (UTC) :We have the [[Reading room]] instead of a village pump. But if you wish to help with the language books, they are [[Subject:Languages|here]]. I'm not sure what needs to be done, but if you dive in I'm sure you'll find work. You may wish to look at the archives of [[Wikibooks:Featured books/Nominations]] for comments about some language books. If you find one that was nominated but didn't get nominated, that'd be a good one to work on (and you'll have comments on what needs doing). Hope that helps. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:46, 8 June 2008 (UTC) == srry this was an accident == Copyvios: *Image:mumbleimage.svg sorry! again i am really sorry! this was an accident! :OK, well please don't upload more. You may use my commons talk page if you wish - I will see messages left there. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:49, 9 June 2008 (UTC) == RFP: Bureaucrat access == I really didn't change my mind, the situation as stated on the requests are not the same. The previous time I fully agreed with [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Requests_for_permissions/Archive_5#Mike.lifeguard.C2.A0.28_talk.C2.A0.7C.C2.A0_email.C2.A0.7C.C2.A0_contribs.C2.A0.7C.C2.A0logs.29 withinfocus position] but this time there is a perceived need for another person to have the tools to help out resolve what is expected to be a increasing number of requests and you are one of the most active wikibookian around here (doing maintenance of the project) in recent times, I don't know a better person to have the tools. On the other hand I hope you can make the diference since the ratio of Bureaucrat / Admins would be unjustifiable unbalanced if we give the tools to more people. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 17:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC) ==En Wiki - Niosomes== Yep, this is a legit topic - I recognized it, as niosomes are used in some new drug delivery systems - it's a stub, but I've added the project template & hopefully that will flag it for expansion. [[User:SkierRMH|SkierRMH]] ([[User talk:SkierRMH|talk]]) 02:16, 11 June 2008 (UTC) :Thanks for taking a look. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:09, 11 June 2008 (UTC) == +bureaucrat == It's been a week with no evidence of anything besides unconditional support. You are now a bureaucrat. All the "fun stuff" is on [[Special:UserRights]] and [[Special:Renameuser]], so get familiar with those pages. If you have any questions, you can always ask. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 12:42, 12 June 2008 (UTC) :Thanks. Left a note at RFP too. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:03, 12 June 2008 (UTC) ::Congrats, wish I'd been around during that week to vote +1 too. cheers, [[User:Webaware|Webaware]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User_talk:Webaware|talk]]</sup> 05:03, 17 June 2008 (UTC) ==Full Book Move== Now I have a reason to want admin persmissions![http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Requests_for_permissions#AdRiley] --[[User:AdRiley|AdRiley]] ([[User talk:AdRiley|talk]]) 11:20, 17 June 2008 (UTC) == Inkscape == [http://o-server.main.jp/inkscape/english.html Inkscape Tutorial] announced "[http://o-server.dyndns.org/inkscape/ サーバーを移転いたします。]" (mean We will transfer web server from ''o-server.dyndns.org'' to ''o-server.main.jp''). So I reverted your edits[http://ja.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Inkscape&diff=20321285&oldid=20318333][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Inkscape&diff=220479723&oldid=220347834][http://ja.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Inkscape&diff=35902&oldid=35895]. --[[User:Marine-Blue|Marine-Blue]] <small>[</small> [[User_talk:Marine-Blue|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Marine-Blue|contribs]] <small>]</small> 06:58, 20 June 2008 (UTC) :OK, thanks. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 13:15, 20 June 2008 (UTC) == :) == [[MediaWiki:Renameusersuccess|Here]] it still links to Commons in the urls :) (& yes I did the same when I stole it from Meta!). Cheers --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small></sup></b> 15:25, 20 June 2008 (UTC) :''facepalm!'' &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:52, 22 June 2008 (UTC) ==Welcome== thankx for welcome me here --[[User:Mehran Mangrio|Mehran Mangrio]] ([[User talk:Mehran Mangrio|talk]]) 16:47, 27 June 2008 (UTC) == Image copyright == Hi sorry to be taking up your time with my incompetence but I am trying to rectify... I have added what I hope is an appropriate copyright tag with Fair Use rationale but I am not 100% sure that it is correct now? Should I just wait for further deletion warnings or can you suggest something else? thanks [[User:Hskeet|Hskeet]] ([[User talk:Hskeet|talk]]) 23:26, 30 June 2008 (UTC) :I just changed it to use the template. It is still missing source information, and the same is likely true for all the other images you uploaded. I can take a closer look later if you like. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:25, 1 July 2008 (UTC) Hallo again - I have looked at other screenshot copyrights and hopefully have input something that will be acceptable. Please let me know if it is not and I will try again....I am slowly working my way through all the images used. As well as screenshots I have used a couple of graphics created in Word - My Own Work all copyrights released - OK for those?? I also saw your comment on ramac's page - am also working my way through the pages adding the book category - sometimes getting a red link and sometimes not! Do I need to create a category for each sub-section? if so how (it's OK I've sussed it out! [[User:Hskeet|Hskeet]] ([[User talk:Hskeet|talk]]) 10:13, 1 July 2008 (UTC)) thanks again - trying hard not to be a vandal but I find Wikibooks quite counter intuitive and everything is a struggle! [[User:Hskeet|Hskeet]] ([[User talk:Hskeet|talk]]) 07:52, 1 July 2008 (UTC) :No problem at all - the steepest learning curve is with images. If you've made an image yourself, then {{tlx|PD-self}} is fine. As for the {{tlx|fair use rationale}}s, you can likely copy-paste them from image to image, changing only the <code>|module=</code> parameter in each case. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 12:29, 1 July 2008 (UTC) == Renaming/merging users? == Hey, I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask... I'm in the middle of trying to unify my login to be "Nikki". For some reason I've registered both [[User:Nikki]] and [[User:Avxxv]] here so I was wondering if they could both be merged into [[User:Nikki]]? If not, could Nikki be deleted and then Avxxv renamed to Nikki (since I have more edits as Avxxv than Nikki)? Thanks --[[User:Avxxv|Avxxv]] ([[User talk:Avxxv|talk]]) 18:22, 2 July 2008 (UTC) :We cannot delete or merge users. What I ''can'' do for you is to rename ''Nikki'' &rarr; ''Nikki (alternate)'' (or something) and then rename ''Avxxv'' &rarr; ''Nikki''. Not the optimal solution, I know, but I doubt if [[mw:Extension:User Merge and Delete]] will ever be implemented on WMF wikis. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:01, 2 July 2008 (UTC) ::That would be fine :) My main aim is to be able to unify the accounts I actually use --[[User:Avxxv|Avxxv]] ([[User talk:Avxxv|talk]]) 13:39, 3 July 2008 (UTC) :::I just need a diff proving you own [[:w:en:User:Nikki]] at [[WB:RENAME]]. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:03, 3 July 2008 (UTC) ==Re:Admin== Thank you for your welcome and support. I clicked on the links you gave me, and subscribed to the mailing list. The other two links don't work for some reason. I'm probably just doing something really wrong, any idea what that is? [[User:Red4tribe|Red4tribe]] ([[User talk:Red4tribe|talk]]) 02:30, 3 July 2008 (UTC) :The IRC links? You'll need a properly-configured [[w:IRC client|IRC client]] for those to work. You may find [[w:Wikipedia:IRC tutorial]] useful. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:41, 3 July 2008 (UTC) == Image Copyright Again == I am sorry to trouble you again.... I have uploaded two images today that are screenshots from pages I created with Google Page Creator. I am really not sure what copyright I should be using. The second image is not really identifiable as coming from anywhere, but this one (Image:QW3 google link.jpg) does say Google on it. Can you help me? [[User:Hskeet|Hskeet]] ([[User talk:Hskeet|talk]]) 13:22, 3 July 2008 (UTC) :*[[:Image:QW3google page.jpg]] can be licensed however you want :*[[:Image:QW3 google link.jpg]] - what you have looks fine, except the fair use rationale is incomplete. Please see the example usage at [[Template:Fair use rationale]], and fill in all the parameters whenever you use it. :*[[:Image:Question Mark.jpg]] is {{tlx|PD-ineligible}} to me. :Hope that helps.&nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 14:58, 3 July 2008 (UTC) == Main Page == Out of curiousity, I have a question about the main page. How is it determined what goes on it every day? I think Spanish was on there yesterday, and now there is something else today, but no one has edited the page. [[User:Red4tribe|Red4tribe]] ([[User talk:Red4tribe|talk]]) 15:05, 3 July 2008 (UTC) :It is a <s>very complicated</s> surprisingly simple set of [[m:parserfunctions]] which does some calculation based on the day of the month to switch the books. The page in question is [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Main_Page_featured_books&action=edit]. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:06, 3 July 2008 (UTC) == Restore [[Anarchist FAQ/What is Anarchism?]] == You've deleted this with [http://poetoida.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2006/10/1/2378224.html] as proof of copyright violation. I haven't read the whole article, but I see that the Anarchist FAQ is cited. Could you explain to me how this shows copyright violation? The books main contributor (Iain) has given me the go ahead to transfer all chapters of the first volume over to Wikibooks. Please restore this page, thank you. --[[User:Iomesus|Iomesus]] ([[User talk:Iomesus|talk]]) 20:25, 3 July 2008 (UTC) :That module was copied wholesale and verbatim from the URL listed in the delete reason. As such, it is a copyright violation, which is contrary to Wikibooks policy, and it will not be restored. You or anyone else is welcome to write a new version which is not a copyright violation. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:25, 3 July 2008 (UTC) ::Surely if the author himself has given me permission to copy 'wholesale and verbatim' then I can do exactly that? What does that fact that the URL listed in the delete reason has also quoted part of this book have to do with anything? The book is released under the GNU Free Documentations License, and direct permission from the author should overrule anything. --[[User:Iomesus|Iomesus]] ([[User talk:Iomesus|talk]]) 06:00, 4 July 2008 (UTC) :::The URL it was copied from does not say it is GFDL-licensed. If the author has released it, then you'll need to send the permission email to [[m:OTRS]]. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:02, 4 July 2008 (UTC) 8egrmpssz8f1v7k4yyod4demo6gd0a5 3 164805 4654241 1258038 2026-07-12T18:11:30Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654241 wikitext text/x-wiki <[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 19|older]] [[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 21|newer]]> {{Talkarchive}} {{-}} == what is a "book" == Hi Mike, I saw your post on foundation-l about the the AllBooks extension, and .. as you can well imagine, this is a wikisource problem as well. For Wikisource I have developed a mean and nasty script to work this out, or at least provide everyone with a list of pages to be fixed up. see [[s:User:Jayvdb/Toolserver]] and [[s:Wikisource:Scriptorium#Statistics]] and [[s:User talk:GrafZahl#statistics]]. My thoughts on this is that naming conventions are the simplest way to define works. I've copied the scripts to run on the wikibooks database: [http://toolserver.org/~john/wikibooks-works.php works] and [http://toolserver.org/~john/wikibooks-subpages.php just the subpages]. I suspect that the logic will need to be tweaked to work for Wikibooks; let me know if you see any major shortcomings in the algorithm. Once the major kinks are removed, we can take it to the WB VP for more eyes. [[User:Jayvdb|John Vandenberg]] ([[User talk:Jayvdb|talk]]) 05:21, 5 July 2008 (UTC) :It is splitting apart some books into multiple parts, but I'm not sure why that would be. In any case, it's pretty good - thanks for that. I'd recommend grabbing [[User:Darklama]] and/or [[User:Ramac]] to figure out the technical details though. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 12:13, 5 July 2008 (UTC) == Rename Jnavas to Jnavas2 == Please rename so I can avoid SUL collisions. Thank you. --[[User:Jnavas|John Navas]] ([[User talk:Jnavas|talk]]) 19:36, 5 July 2008 (UTC) :Moved to [[WB:RENAME]]. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:02, 5 July 2008 (UTC) == IP blocking - notice regarding Virgin Media IP addresses == Hi Mike. Please be careful when blocking Virgin Media IPs (as you did with 82.46.8.90 and 82.42.237.84) and make sure the block summary is easy to understand: these IPs <b>are</b> shared IPs, and they get recycled by people across the country. Note that 82.* Virgin Media IPs cover most of the North of England, up to Yorkshire at least, 195.* covers most of the Midlands, and there's some others I'm not sure about. I do know that there was persistent abuse of 195.188.152.16 on Wikipedia (which is now an indef-blocked IP, unusual considering it's not marked as a zombie or open proxy there). A block length of about a year should be sufficient, not 2 years (as you set with one IP). Be aware though, that some IPs that are Virgin Media ones can be zombie computers and insecure wireless networks that anyone can access, plus public computers. (if you want to let the people on the mailing list called "checkuser-l" know this, feel free to). Public computers sometimes do have Virgin Media IP addresses - e.g. 195.188.50.200 is for Sefton Libraries, in Merseyside, North West England. I hope this has helped you, and feel free to let the other checkusers know. In any case, I was a checkuser at a non-Wikimedia wiki that's now gone (mainly due to the fact that no-one apart from me, the site owner and 3 - 4 dedicated contributors were ever editing it) so that's how I know my stuff. if you want to know any more leave a note at my talk page. Hope I helped ya. --[[User:Wilsow66|Wilsow66]] ([[User talk:Wilsow66|talk]]) 22:43, 6 July 2008 (UTC) :Thanks for the info. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:05, 6 July 2008 (UTC) ==Improtance of water in humand== I thought I should give it a week and wait and see if they did something. [[User:Red4tribe|Red4tribe]] ([[User talk:Red4tribe|talk]]) 01:47, 7 July 2008 (UTC) :No, that's a spambot page. You'll learn to recognize them soon enough :) &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:49, 7 July 2008 (UTC) ==Userboxes== If you don't mind me asking, how did you get all of those userboxes orginized like that? [[User:Red4tribe|Red4tribe]] ([[User talk:Red4tribe|talk]]) 17:33, 7 July 2008 (UTC) :Which ones, organized how? :) First of all, they're transcluded from subpages [[User:Mike.lifeguard/Userboxes]] and [[User:Mike.lifeguard/UserboxesTop]] so they don't clutter my actual userpage. And then the big set is inside a {{tlx|dynamic navigation}}. The actual code for them is copied (then modified) from [[w:User:Mike.lifeguard/Userboxes]], where I had simply substituted the userboxes. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:29, 7 July 2008 (UTC) ::Alright, I have no idea how to do that. But, one more question. Did you makea template of your userboxes? Looking at your wikipedia page, I noticed all you have is <nowiki>{{:User:Mike.lifeguard/Userboxes}}</nowiki>. I would like to do something like that, so I could better orginize my userpage as I add userboxes over time. [[User:Red4tribe|&#91;&#91;User:VK35&#124;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#ff0000&quot;&gt;VK35&lt;/span&gt;&#93;&#93;]] ([[User talk:Red4tribe|talk]]) 22:07, 7 July 2008 (UTC) :::That was me. [[User:Red4tribe|&#91;&#91;User:Red4tribe&#124;span style=&quot;color:#ff0000&quot;&gt;VK35&lt;/span&gt;&#93;&#93;]] ([[User talk:Red4tribe|talk]]) 22:09, 7 July 2008 (UTC) ::::Your sig is funky :(( ::::Yeah, so that subpage has the code for the userboxes - take a [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=User:Mike.lifeguard/Userboxes&action=edit peek]. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:07, 7 July 2008 (UTC) :::::Lets see what I can do with that. I'm trying to get my sig red, but I think I messed it up. [[User:Red4tribe|&#91;&#91;User:Red4tribe&#124;span style=&quot;color:#ff0000&quot;&gt;Red4tribe&lt;/span&gt;&#93;&#93;]] ([[User talk:Red4tribe|talk]]) 23:23, 7 July 2008 (UTC) == Logos and copyright == Hallo - its me again on the subject of images and copyright (I will soon be able to write a book on it!). The book I have been writing was going to have a copy of the software logo on the front page but obviously the logo is not free for all to use. While looking for something else I thought I saw a copyright tag that would protect it, but now I can't find it so maybe I just imagined it. Any suggestions would be as welcome as ever! [[User:Hskeet|Hskeet]] ([[User talk:Hskeet|talk]]) 12:26, 8 July 2008 (UTC) :You're looking for {{tlx|logo}} and {{tlx|fair use rationale}}, I think. Make sure the use of the logo is permitted under [[WB:MEDIA]] first, though. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:24, 9 July 2008 (UTC) == First sentences == In [[Muggles' Guide to Harry Potter]], I will be manually editing "'''''Severus Snape''''' is the Potions teacher...," to "'''Severus Snape''' is the Potions teacher...", etc. on most pages (i.e. The first use of an article's title in that article will become plain bold instead of bold-italic). See [[User talk:Chazz#First sentences|here]] or [[User talk:Cysiro#First sentences|here]]. Letting you know so you don't mistake the edits for vandalism. >>>[[User:Cysiro|<font face="Times New Roman" color="black" size="3">Cysiro</span>]]'''[[User talk:Cysiro|<sup><span style="color:black">T</span></sup>]]'''<span style="font-size:4">/</span>'''[[Special:Contributions/Cysiro|<sub><span style="color:black">C</span></sub>]]''' 16:57, 10 July 2008 (UTC) :Thanks - that's not the kind of thing I'd think is vandalism though :) &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:29, 11 July 2008 (UTC) == Indef Block == I'm slightly curious as to why you gave [[User:Jumbo Whales]](I realize it's an odd name) an indef block. He stopped make disruptive edits(I think) even though I doubt he would ever be a real contributer. Just curious. [[User:Red4tribe|Red4tribe]] ([[User talk:Red4tribe|talk]]) 15:50, 15 July 2008 (UTC) :"Jumbo Whales" is a play on "[[w:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]]" - that's an inappropriate username; regardless, that person was here only to vandalize. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:12, 15 July 2008 (UTC) == Re:Vandal == Thanks. I would have (asked for rollback) but I'll be leaving for college in a fortnight, which has a potential to disrupt my routine, and I can't guarantee if I'll be able to spare the time. When (and if) I get settled in college, I'll think about this. Also, I seem to be unable to get to the IRC channels. Do you know why this may be happening? [[User:SPat|<span style="font-size:4" face="Monotype Corsiva"><span style="color:Black">S</span><span style="color:blue">Pat</span></span>]] <sup>[[User talk:SPat|<font face="italic" color="black" size="2">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:06, 15 July 2008 (UTC) :As to IRC, do you have an [[w:IRC_client#Client_software|IRC client]] installed? If you use Firefox, I recommend Chatzilla. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:10, 15 July 2008 (UTC) == Self copyright approval == Mike, I'm looking at [[m:OTRS]] and not finding it very obvious what I have to actually do. Can you confirm that this text when sent to {{email|permissions-en|wikimedia.org}} will suffice: "I am confirming that material used for Software_Engineering_with_an_Agile_Development_Framework is largely based on my own work or that of my previous students (and on public servers at http://www.otagopolytechnic.ac.nz/schools-departments/information-technology/bitweb/projects/recent-projects.html or http://site.tekotago.ac.nz/%7Esam/pj301). All student work will be appropriately attributed and used with permission (via statements in project management documents). Regards Dr Samuel Mann" smann@tekotago.ac.nz. Cheers SaM [[User:Samuel.mann|Samuel.mann]] ([[User talk:Samuel.mann|talk]]) 00:59, 17 July 2008 (UTC) :Just add that you are licensing said content under the GFDL & it'll do fine. Thanks! &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:18, 17 July 2008 (UTC) == Derived image copyright == Mike, Tonight I added three icons derived from others. Wasn't exactly clear how to attribute them. On one the words I put in the summary box appeared in the file history but on the others it's hanging under the licensing. I'd be extremely grateful if you could point me in the right direction. *[[:Image:Spiral_section_icons_overview.png]] *[[:Image:Spiral_section_icons_time.png]] *[[:Image:Spiral_section_icons_people.png‎]] All called by my template: Adfmetabox Cheers SaM 10:18, 19 July 2008 (UTC) :Those images inherit their license from the image you derived them from; I've changed them to reflect that. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:00, 19 July 2008 (UTC) :: Thank you, SaM [[User:Samuel.mann|Samuel.mann]] ([[User talk:Samuel.mann|talk]]) 09:03, 20 July 2008 (UTC) ==Random Book== Someone brought it to my attention that the random book bar does not work. It does not work for me, or them. Do you know why, and are you aware of this? [[User:Red4tribe|Red4tribe]] ([[User talk:Red4tribe|talk]]) 15:28, 21 July 2008 (UTC) :Dunno, probably fixed already anyways. [[User:Darklama]] would be the best bet. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:05, 26 July 2008 (UTC) == Linux Networking How-to == Hello Mike, I saw your Copyright violation message in Wiki'fying of Linux Networking How-to. In the link you mentioned, It pointed to older maintainer. The current link is http://tldp.org/HOWTO/NET3-4-HOWTO.html This book is unmaintained and I had volunteered for the maintainership, but I wanted to keep a reference of the book to be constantly edited and maintained, thats the reason for me chosing wikibooks (instead of someother wiki site). And that material is also Copyrighted under GPL, so I free to copy/edit in Wikibooks. Don't you agree? Let me know if I need to be aware of anything. Thanks, Senthil :Sorry to intrude but since Mike is away and this seem somewhat urgent, I'll try to answer your core question. :I've no previous knowledge of the problem, except the above post (I did some patrolling on the pages). GPL and GFDL + Exceptions (Wikibooks license) aren't compatible, the most problematic point is that each license requires that any modification uses the same license (or newer), so if you are not the author you can't relicense it (there are more incompatibilities). In any case the intention of the licenses are mostly the same, so if you can get in contact to the rights owner you may request to use the work under the GFDL + Exceptions. If you do contact the authors (Terry Dawson, Alessandro Rubini, POET) you can also take the time to explain that GPL is for software/code and GFDL is for documentation, both from the FSF (Free Software Foundation), we could even argue that the use of the GPL for texts is an error, if you check the copyright section of the page you linked above you can clearly read that "This program is free software..." since we can argue that there is no program the license isn't applicable. :If no permission is given by all the authors the work will falls under a copyright violation and should be deleted. :You can nevertheless write a similar work, there are ways to bypass the problem, simply by altering the structure, wording etc... , don't know if there is a guide on how to do it on texts but the FSF had a guide on how to avoid copyright violation when reimplementing (freeing) software. Well, hope this helps if I said something wrong Mike will correct me as soon as he is back... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 16:47, 22 July 2008 (UTC) : I believe [http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLOtherThanSoftware Can I use the GPL for something other than software?], [http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-faq.html#WhyNotGPLForManuals Why don't you use the GPL for manuals?], [http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-faq.html#WhoHasThePower Who has the power to enforce the GPL?], [http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-faq.html#AllCompatibility How are the various GNU licenses compatible with each other?], and [http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/fdl-howto-opt.html How to Use the Optional Features of the GNU FDL] include information that answers your questions. The last one makes it clear that Wikibooks is not using GFDL with exceptions, but rather chooses not to use the optional features of the GFDL. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 20:46, 22 July 2008 (UTC) : I have requested TLDP permission to undertake the maintaining of that Document which is currently in the unmaintained state. I shall then analyze the issue of Copyrights and maintaining a copy of the work at wikibooks. I choose wikibooks after analyzing a number of options. If there is any conflict in the licenses, I shall try to resolve it, failing which, I am okay to take it down from wikibooks (sadly though)and perhaps start a fresh book on the same subject. --[[Special:Contributions/59.92.142.38|59.92.142.38]] ([[User talk:59.92.142.38|talk]]) 02:51, 24 July 2008 (UTC) That was me. Senthil. --[[User:Phoe6|Phoe6]] ([[User talk:Phoe6|talk]]) 02:53, 24 July 2008 (UTC) :: If the Linux Networking Howto your referring to is http://tldp.org/HOWTO/NET3-4-HOWTO-13.html, all you need to do is get Terry Dawson, Alessandro Rubini and {POET} to agree to release there work under the GFDL and get them to either 1) reflect that in the copyright section either in place of or in addition to GPL, or 2) send permission to [[meta:OTRS#Permissions|OTRS]] and get a ticket number that can be used as proof that the contents of the howto can be used under GFDL. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 15:03, 24 July 2008 (UTC) :::Thanks Darklama; that sounds about right. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:06, 26 July 2008 (UTC) == Thanks. == Thanks for sorting out that history merge for me. I didn't think about the edit history at the time. I will remember next time to move pages instead. [[User:Glich|Glich]] ([[User talk:Glich|talk]]) 16:25, 21 July 2008 (UTC) == re:Small wikis == Thank You both :) --[[User:Spacebirdy|birdy]] [[User_talk:Spacebirdy|<sub>(:> )=|</sub>]] 02:13, 29 July 2008 (UTC) :<nowiki>:D</nowiki>&nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:30, 29 July 2008 (UTC) == Your Deletion == I'm referring to the one about making and running a games website. I would just like to know why you deleted that. It seemed interesting and I would've liked to edit that. Oh, and would you leave the reply on my talk page? Thanks,[[User:VenomousNinja|~VNinja]][[User talk:VenomousNinja|~]] 03:42, 29 July 2008 (UTC) :The one I deleted was a redirect to a deleted page. That page was deleted because it had [[WB:SPEEDY|no meaningful content]]. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 14:23, 29 July 2008 (UTC) == Give information == I have done my best. I'll thank you if you attempt to reason with him and better explain it (or see if he sticks to the point), since you took the initial step, it is only proper that I ask you to attempt pass along the reason for the VFD (to what I agreed to fallow trough). Sorry to drag you into the pot, but ultimately you put me there first. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 03:49, 30 July 2008 (UTC) :I don't know why you ever thought that deletion would be a speedy - it doesn't even come close to meeting the [[WB:SPEEDY|requirements]]. As there is no consensus to delete, I have SNOWed the VFD. Please discuss this with contributors to the book, and come to a consensus with them regarding what to do on this issue. Until that happens, no action will be taken as far as I can see. Whiteknight is acting in a perfectly reasonable manner, and he already understands perfectly why this ended up at VFD. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:53, 30 July 2008 (UTC) ::There was consensus since the only persosn that would object did state that he didn't care (a statement of non objection). I call upon your attention that James even if he states now an objection is doing it on other grounds also note that DL hans't as yet stated his objection. ::As for the [[WB:SPEEDY]] point 6) A page that has been nominated for deletion due to a general reorganization of the book by the contributors. In this situation, please note the location of the relevant discussion that occurred regarding the page cleanup. is valid so a speedy is in order and proper I only assigned the request to WK since he as the acting Admin at the time be the one best informed of the situation and able to restore the pages status. ::Since you initiated the VFD I took that you even not understanding the full situation saw that the response provided by WK hadn't solved the issue and agreed that the VFD was one of the valid options. (Thats is why I agreed with your move) ::If you agree with point 6 as a reason to speedy delete you can take care of it upon confirming DL position, if you are extending special consideration to James newly stated position I agree that the user should be able to validate his views and the best way to do that is the VFD, were other several position were already made. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 04:16, 30 July 2008 (UTC) ::PS: I'll take objection to your SNOW action (as keep) on the grounds that at this time no valid reason was given on the keep votes statements, that is, any justifiable and substantial argument to keep the page, even if you don't agree with the SPEEDY (WK didn't raise an issue on those grounds) the VFD is valid and should continue running. In fact the only resulting effect of that would be moving the discussion to another page, even if the discussion is getting out of the scope it was initiated. Do you agree, disagree or can see another approach ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 04:30, 30 July 2008 (UTC) :::If there were consensus among book contributors to delete, SPEEDY would apply. There is not. Saying there is consensus does not make it so. There is no point letting the VFD run - what is needed is consensus among contributors to the book about what to do. You are not going to steamroll this. I don't care what the outcome is, except that there is consensus among book contributors. So go figure it out with them. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 10:21, 30 July 2008 (UTC) ::::It seems that there isn't a consensus NOW (depending on how you see the validity of the recently stated objections) but at the time there was no objection, even getting in contact with DL on his talk page (that I was not obligated to do), resulted in statement of non objection. ::::Saying there is consensus does make it so if no objection was made at the time it reaches a decission and the discussion was properly known (that is how we make decisions here). In Wikibooks what has prevailed is the majority consensus (given the argumentation made). In any case the discussion was initiated [[http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Talk:C%2B%2B_Programming/Conventions in 13 March 2008]] with establishing rules setting the closing date 7 days (after the last contribution) 18 April 2008 + 7 taking no action at the time to close it it stood open, since another Wikibookian requested that the subject was addressed I directly and by my initiative (there is no real obligation to do it) contacted Darklama informing him of the decission and if he wished to object to it in any way, the user did state that he didn't care about the page, a non objection), decission reached and validated, that satisfies point 6 of a SPEEDY request. I could agree in readdressing the issue again but still no objections were made that validates keeping the page in question. Can and should we invalidate decisions because we didn't participate at the proper time ? Was I sneaky in any way ? What justification do you give to label it steamrolling ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 20:42, 30 July 2008 (UTC) :::::This is obviously a controversial deletion; I don't understand how you could ''possibly'' think otherwise. There is no consensus to delete, so it is not being deleted at this time. Please work with other contributors to the book to come up with a course forward that is acceptable to all of you. ''I am not the person you need to convice!'' &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:50, 30 July 2008 (UTC) *reset I'm not attempting to convince you, but you are now dodging to comment on the events and restating something that we agree, is it intentionally ? If so I'll live you alone on the subject. I made a reply on the rational for the SPEEDY (at the time the action was initiated, no objection was made to the deletion). Since you initiated the VFD, did you at the time shared the view that DL was objecting to the decission (not the proceedings, he does indeed rant on how it was reached but historical it was always done in that way, so the argument is moot), if so I don't understand why you thought the VFD was a good idea, and promoted it as a reasonable solution and how ending it will help the situation (the only positive outcome is calming things up)... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 22:59, 30 July 2008 (UTC) :I turned the speedy to a VFD because it didn't meet the speedy criteria. I closed the VFD because there is obviously no consensus to delete. I still question why you thought it would be an uncontroversial deletion suitable for {{tlx|delete}} - that was an error in judgment in my view. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:04, 31 July 2008 (UTC) ::What is your base to claim that the requirements for a speedy were not met? Do you read DL reply as an objection to the decission ? To me "I don't care" suffices as a statement of no interest for the outcome, an expression of non objection, the user was free to participate and even go to the place were the discussion was completed and clarify his position. (there was a proper time and place to do it properly) But again if you shared that view what was the point for the VFD? You could have stated it next to WK post or ask DL to be more clear. (Invalidating the speedy action, since the direct contact I made to him was objectively not an attempt to steamroll the decission) ::If your concern is the expressed opinion of Jammes then I share your view, but the discussion was completed, even so his newly expressed objection didn't address the issue at hand (did not provide a reason for keeping the page, nor a commitment to improve it), Jammes merely states that he doesn't like how the issue was resolved, but he was always free to act, sadly he only did it after WK refused to act. But I can't be expected to contact every person that has contributed to the work as when we vote on WB guidelines or policies, we make an announcement and provide time to people to intervene if they wish to, no one is forced to, on other books I'm working mostly alone (only editor) and I take the steps to ask for input (even if I expect none) --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 00:22, 31 July 2008 (UTC) :::You obviously misunderstand Darklama. Furthermore, you seem to misunderstand the meaning of [[m:consensus|consensus]]. I don't fault you for this, but please recognize your errors rather than turn this into an issue regarding myself, Whiteknight or anyone else. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:07, 31 July 2008 (UTC) ::::I have no intention on causing you problems and I think I understand what you are saying in between the lines and we should best drop the issue of the VFD completely I only raised and called you to intervene since WK clearly made an erroneous public statement on that regard, as if it was my intention to cause any conflict my action clearly prove otherwise. In any case we are just talking it is not my expectation that you get more involved on the subject, but silence will never promote understanding. ::::I can be a bit combative when I defend some points when I think I'm right, but I'm always open to compromise and to re-analise the issues. I don't read DL statement as seemly you do also, but in any case the user was free to intervene if you check the timeline. I gave ample time for anyone to clarify positions before I acted if indeed it was his intention to object he clearly had the opportunity even until today he has remained silent (he was present on the project when WK stated his refusal) ::::As for consensual decission [[User:Panic2k4/Decision making and Community consensus on Wikibooks|I understand the concept very well]]. I have all intentions to promote even a more deeply use that the one has been used on Wikibooks (since the last revision), dropping completely majority rule voting (or consensus by majority if we take in consideration the argumentation provided) that is no decission would be passed until a a valid block exists, so I have a tendency more inclusive than the actual practice. ::::On the item at hand that is not the problem, and I'm open to address any objection, the issue is that up till now the reason not to execute the action was not substantiated by the claimed opposer and new objections haven't dealt with the issue under discussion, more the only way we have to evolve on a consensual decission process is to establish rules for the discussion that is establishing guidelines to the procedure and limitations may it be credentials, actions or timelines to validate any reached decission. In this case the discussion was transparent, in good intention and inclusive since the proceeding would be valid by common practice even if hadn't contacted DL. ::::My divergences with DL and WK are more complex and that is why I thread a thin line each time I have to interact with the users, one quick example was the "correction" DL made to my post here about GFDL+Extensions (correction that was wrong, I dropped the issue so to avoid conflict as it wasn't very relevant to the other user). ::::The thing is that WB doesn't use the standard GFDL it includes some exceptions 1) the stated exclusion of Invariant Sections (if this was the only difference then the exception word could probably be argued as an overstatement since the license clearly covers this standard option out, but requires it to be expressed) but 2) no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back-Cover Texts. could be but aren't defined as invariant sections, that is why the copyright notice clarifies it, those are indeed exceptions (anything excluded from or not conforming to a general rule or classification), the understanding of this fact (that some strongly object to) makes it clear that not all GFDL documents can be merged (historically we only raise problems when the original work has any of those excluded parts) but when you accept the use of works that originally don't have those stated exclusions we create the problem or relicensing the work beyond what the copyright holder (not necessarily the author) intended. That could cause future problems at least I claim so. I don't have any intention of calling wolf but I do state my objections when this information is not transmitted to people that are asking and porting works into the project (the simple request that they also agree to the exceptions would suffice). This is one examples of things put me on the bad side of some Wikibookians. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 02:01, 31 July 2008 (UTC) == voting to keep a book == [[Optimal Classification]] was originally published in the Wikipedia in May of 2007. It contained an unwikified primary reference that was wikified as an inline reference, along with several notes. It had two minor typo's, which were corrected and wiki graphic tables which made it larger than necessary. The graphics were converted to images and the size reduce. Currently references and notes are being expanded and text added to clarify the theoretical and empirical separatory equations. It is a work in progress. It was moved from the Wikipedia to the Wikibooks because Wikipedia user Jiuguang Wang read a Wikia article by the original author of the Wikipedia article which he rejected due to his being raised in Chinese Communist Beijing as an atheist prior to moving to Atlanta in 2000 when he was 12. The Wikia article uses logic to both define and support the existence of God. In line with his rejection of the Wikia article he rejected the [[Optimal Classification]] article as a hoax and nominated it for deletion on the Wikipedia. Proof that the article is not original research can be found by reading the primary reference while the notability of the subject can be verified by reading the references the primary reference lists. I am contacting you because user Jiuguang Wang along with a Wikipedia administrator have now nominated the [[Optimal Classification]] ''book'' for deletion as a continuation of their harassment and personal attack against the Wikipedia author and since I have never been through a nomination for deletion experience I do not know how to post a vote to keep this book from being deleted. Your help is needed and will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. [[User:Typetive|Typative]] ([[User talk:Typetive|talk]]) 22:32, 31 July 2008 (UTC) :Uhh, this comment should be made at [[WB:VFD]], not here. I'll move it there now if not already done. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:43, 31 July 2008 (UTC) == Rebecca's SUL == Heyas Mike. :) I couldn't find the place to request SUL-related usurpations here, so ''hopefully'' they'll fail to draw and quarter me to ask you for some help. Rebecca (the ombudsman) doesn't have a unified account yet, and Cary asked for some help on that special global groups page on meta. Hence my asking you if you'd be willing to either do her rename or properly file on her behalf. :D Any assistance would be appreciated. Let me know if you have any questions! [[User:Kylu|Kylu]] ([[User talk:Kylu|talk]]) 03:10, 1 August 2008 (UTC) :Done - the account will be automatically created when she next visits Wikibooks while logged in under her merged account. Alternatively, she can create an account and merge it with all the others simultaneously. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:43, 1 August 2008 (UTC) baqt059g13fl9uq82e4y5buqpyo5vc8 3 170971 4654242 1330730 2026-07-12T18:18:12Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654242 wikitext text/x-wiki <[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 21|older]] [[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 23|newer]]> {{Talkarchive}} {{-}} == Categories for Computers & Society == Hi! Thanx for query/comment. I figured out eventually the purpose of categorization for the Wikibooks. It seems to me to be the way to find the subject on the page in the book. Perhaps I have misunderstood and overdone it? As your note implies? --[[User:Mihal Orela|Михал Орела]] ([[User talk:Mihal Orela|talk]]) 06:15, 12 September 2008 (UTC) :I think most of those categories will not be useful for finding books. We primarily use the [[WB:AS|Subject:]] pages for browsing now. Current practice is that all pages of a book should go in a single category which normally has the same name as the book itself; this is to help keep all the pages of the book together (like the binding of a book). The main page of the book is categorized by subject (like putting the book on a shelf in the library, this allows readers to find the book by it's content), and also by other methods, like the first letter of it's title (these methods are becoming increasingly superseded by the subject pages). So the categories you have created are not very helpful for anyone to find books on a certain topic, and are mostly creating unnecessary clutter. If you don't mind, I'd like to delete most of them, and re-categorize their contents to fit into the pre-existing system of organization. I should say that the confusion here is not your fault; we have very poor resources explaining how this sort of thing works at Wikibooks (which should not be the case, as it is very different from how Wikipedia is organized). Thanks for your quick response. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:50, 12 September 2008 (UTC) :{{done}} &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 12:50, 15 September 2008 (UTC) == Please rename me == Hi, I have changed my username at my homewiki and want to to it here to. Please rename me to Calandrella. [http://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anv%E4ndare%3ACalandrella&diff=7442660&oldid=7393914&uselang=en Here] is confirmation. Thanks, [[User:Leo Johannes|Leo Johannes]] ([[User talk:Leo Johannes|talk]]) 19:15, 13 September 2008 (UTC) :Copied to [[WB:RENAME]]. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:49, 13 September 2008 (UTC) == Rename == I was gonna do it, I swear! I just had a few more things on my script I wanted to do while the ideas were fresh in my mind. This gadget is going to be really hot when I'm done with it! --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 20:19, 13 September 2008 (UTC) :They just left a note for every crat, which is really not necessary. But I saw the updates to a few things yesterday. This is the book creator one you're talking about? &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:36, 13 September 2008 (UTC) == [[SubCategory:Imagery]] == Take a look at this page, the contribs of the pages author, etc. See if you can make heads or tails of this. I'm thinking it's tinfoil hat crazy, but I would like a second opinion. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 11:21, 15 September 2008 (UTC) :Looks that way to me too. <s>I'll nominate it later today unless you beat me to it.</s> I see you've asked the author already. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 13:10, 15 September 2008 (UTC) == [[Think Python]] == Better? --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 23:20, 15 September 2008 (UTC) :WOW that was fast! Some formatting to fix up, but that's easy. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:44, 15 September 2008 (UTC) :Oh, I guess it is all HTML... &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:47, 15 September 2008 (UTC) ==Capitalisation== Tx for your message. Quick question when u get a chance - I read over [[Wikibooks talk:Naming policy]] and the talk page, but still wasn't quite clear about capitalisation of Chapter Names. It seems perhaps it's user discretion, but that mostly Chapter Names are like Book/Chapter Name rather than Book/Chapter name. In which case, my inclination would be to make this change for the [[Outdoor Education]] chapters. -- [[User:Jtneill|Jtneill]] - <small>[[User talk:Jtneill|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Jtneill|c]]</small> 12:00, 16 September 2008 (UTC) :Yeah, this falls to the discretion of whoever is working on the book. I normally prefer to have the title capitalized, and the rest only the first letter capitalized. This is probably because the papers I write follow this convention. But as I say, it is up to whoever is writing the book. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:50, 16 September 2008 (UTC) ::Tx - gotcha :) -- [[User:Jtneill|Jtneill]] - <small>[[User talk:Jtneill|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Jtneill|c]]</small> 18:12, 16 September 2008 (UTC) == Just a request == Hey Mike, I'd like to request that my patroller and rollbacker flags be revoked; I don't feel right retaining them due to my inactivity. While I think this wiki is great, and I ''do'' have plans to become active once again in future, I think I should let these two not-used tools go for the time being. Since I believe we don't need Stewards to fill this request, i thought I'd just ask you if you could get around to it at some point. Cheers, and thanks for your assistance, - <strong>[[User:Anonymous Dissident|<span style="font-family:Script MT Bold;color:Silver">Anonymous Dissident</span>]]</strong>[[User_talk:Anonymous Dissident|<sup><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:Gray">Talk</span></sup>]] 14:35, 19 September 2008 (UTC) :No problem; if you want them back, just ask. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:56, 22 September 2008 (UTC) == Question == You blocked [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Persian_Poet_Gal this] user back in October of last yr for infinity yet they somehow made [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Knots/Rope&diff=prev&oldid=1262339 this] edit in March of this yr. How did that happen? Thanks :That edit was imported, so it is technically an edit made on enwiki, not here. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:13, 24 September 2008 (UTC) == Replacement of IP address in module history == Hi Mike, On 21st Sept I edited the page [[French_For_Football/Phrase_Book]] while accidentally logged out, leaving behind my IP address in the module history. Is it possible for someone to replace that with my Wikibooks login ID? I assume you can match them up easily enough. As you are active on the user renaming page, I came to you as this looks like a similar operation. I see you are away for a while, but I don't mind waiting. Thanks [[User:Recent Runes|Recent Runes]] ([[User talk:Recent Runes|talk]]) 10:18, 25 September 2008 (UTC) :Sorry, there's not, unless you can convince a sysadmin to muck around in the database for you (which is exceedingly unlikely - they simply ''don't'' do that). Sorry I can't help you. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:35, 25 September 2008 (UTC) :: OK, never mind. [[User:Recent Runes|Recent Runes]] ([[User talk:Recent Runes|talk]]) 19:17, 28 September 2008 (UTC) == OKFN Meeting == Reading the transcript, I see that you went to the OKFN meeting yesterday. Too bad neither of us could participate in the whole thing! I'm keeping a list of resources at [[User:Whiteknight/Friends]] including some resources that were mentioned in the meeting. I would like to try and establish real relationships with some of these other groups, try to promote our books, attract new contributors, etc. A lot of cool ideas at the meeting too, that we could look into. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 19:19, 30 September 2008 (UTC) :I did stick around afterwards - one suggestion was to create a guide to licensing so people can more easily tell what content can be imported to Wikibooks (etc). I may try to recruit someone from Commons (Michael Maggs?) to help with that. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:18, 30 September 2008 (UTC) == RE: Global Kids second life curriculum == I've already been through this before. This is a curriculum. It is for education use. Read the beginning and that will be abundantly clear. Please put it back. It is NOT a GAME STRATEGY guide. It IS a TEACHING TOOL for disadvantaged kids. ''I now see that the Creative Commons © graphic was lost in translation, so I assume your issue is displaying the complete copyright info: ©2007 (CC BY-NC-SA).'' [[User:Spkemp|Spkemp]] ([[User talk:Spkemp|talk]]) 05:11, 1 October 2008 (UTC) :I didn't review the content thoroughly, that was based on a comment by another user. However cc-by-nc-sa is ''not'' GFDL-compatible (furthermore, it restricts the right to commercial use, which is unacceptable). Licensing is the core issue here, not content. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:07, 1 October 2008 (UTC) == Can You Delete my Photo? == Hello, I am very bad with this kinda stuff, so I was wondering can you just deleted the photo you commented about or do I have to? It is mine, but I just don't want it anymore. Thanks[[User:Aborz001|Aborz001]] ([[User talk:Aborz001|talk]]) 20:03, 6 October 2008 (UTC) :[[Image:Symbol delete vote.svg|15px]] '''Deleted''', but there are other images with the same issue. Please be sure to provide license and source information for them all. Images without that information, or which aren't [[WB:MEDIA|freely-licensed]] will be deleted. If you need help to figure out how to fix these, I can certainly help you. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:05, 6 October 2008 (UTC) == patrol page == The last two items ("SQL...." and "GRE Preparation Guide/Rescheduling your GRE Exam") can't be validated and have for some time remained on the [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NewPages&hidepatrolled=1 list], bug ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 05:23, 9 October 2008 (UTC) :Looks like they're gone now. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:04, 9 October 2008 (UTC) == book rename == Hiya Mike, I tried to do this with the "move all subpages" option, but way too many pages :-). Could you let loose your bot to move the rest of [[A Wikimanual of Gardening]] to [[Horticulture]]? --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 06:04, 10 October 2008 (UTC) :Shouldn't be a problem to move subpages, as sysops have ''noratelimit''. I'll try again, and if not run the bot. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 14:01, 10 October 2008 (UTC) :Yup, despite ''noratelimit'', we're limited to 100 pages... Probably that's configurable - I'll ask if there's a compelling reason to have it so low. Will bot-move the rest using (A Wikimanual of Gardening)&rarr;Horticulture ::{{done}} &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC) :::Thanks, and thanks for the bugzilla thing too :-). --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | <sup>[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]</sup> 23:18, 11 October 2008 (UTC) ::::No problem. I find sometimes the developers don't realize how the software is being used, but Brion's generally good about that sort of thing (and was incredibly fast on that one in particular). &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:24, 11 October 2008 (UTC) == Rename == Hello Mike, is possible you usurp this [[User:Sysopbot]] account for me? Because i have a irc bot with this name... and i have a project with this bot name. Regards [[User:Sir Lestaty de Lioncourt|Sir Lestaty de Lioncourt]] ([[User talk:Sir Lestaty de Lioncourt|talk]]) 00:30, 13 October 2008 (UTC) :That will certainly require some discussion, as it's a group account for project administrators (though now defunct). Perhaps add a request to [[WB:RENAME]] and I'll get some input. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:43, 13 October 2008 (UTC) == About my tracker (music) contribution == Hello Mike.lifeguard, Few days ago, I put a new link of my website on your tracker (music) webpage and you deleted it. (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:COIBot/XWiki/jikoo.free.fr). Ok, I understood my mistake. I can't put it on many wikipedia websites. Now, I have no link on wikipedia. I am not a spammer at all or other things. I made my webpage to help everybody about audio tracking. There are lot of updated links and no advertising, and few community (United-trackers, modplug forum, Amiga impact forum...) helped me to do it. So now, is it possible to put two links : one on your Wikipedia website and an other one on wikipedia FR (because I am french) ? Note, I was only on wikipedia FR before I made a contribution for Wikipedia EN. I wrote the Modplug Tracker article in french on Wikipedia FR (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/ModPlug_Tracker) Thank you very much. [[User:Jikooworld|Jikooworld]] ([[User talk:Jikooworld|talk]]) 02:51, 15 October 2008 (UTC) :You may wish to contest the blacklisting at [[m:Talk:Spam blacklist]]. However, I think it will not be overturned at this time for the same reasons it was originally blacklisted. Thanks. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:10, 15 October 2008 (UTC) :Actually, it's not blacklisted anyways. Please consider whether it's inclusion improves the encyclopedia article - in all likelihood it does not. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:35, 15 October 2008 (UTC) == Apologies == Well I'm sorry about that :-) I thought that [[w:Wikipedia:Non-admin closure|Non-admin closures]] are permitted in Wikibooks. Regards-<span style="color:maroon;font-size:4px;font-family:Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Ravichandar84|Ravichandar]]</span><sub><span style="color:aqua;font-family:Monotype Corsiva">[[User talk:Ravichandar84|My coffee shop]]</span></sub> 15:35, 15 October 2008 (UTC) :Meh, kinda. One thing to keep in mind is that Wikipedia has a shortage of admins; we don't. But yeah, it's not a disaster <code>:D</code> &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:21, 15 October 2008 (UTC) 6ky65um67yuhrb2trv9en9516omdkp4 3 175516 4654243 1375781 2026-07-12T18:29:01Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654243 wikitext text/x-wiki <[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 22|older]] [[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 24|newer]]> {{Talkarchive}} {{-}} == Thanks == Yeah! I'll look into it. Thanks for your suggestions. :-) -<span style="color:maroon;font-size:4px;font-family:Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Ravichandar84|Ravichandar]]</span><sub><span style="color:aqua;font-family:Monotype Corsiva">[[User talk:Ravichandar84|My coffee shop]]</span></sub> 20:40, 18 October 2008 (UTC) == Correction to original work cited == I have just edited the article to which you have contributed to show that the origin of the content was from Millennium Relativity and not Special Relativity. I have no objection to the findings being presented in Wikibooks as long as the credit is properly given the millennium relativity papers in which they were originally introduced. I remind you, these are copyrighted works. Joseph A. Rybczyk [[User:Rybczyk|Rybczyk]] ([[User talk:Rybczyk|talk]]) 14:13, 19 October 2008 (UTC) :I'm afraid I'm not clear what page you're referring to. If the work is copyrighted and not released under the [[WB:GFDL|GFDL]] then it is not permitted on Wikibooks. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:27, 19 October 2008 (UTC) The page is, http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Modern_Physics:Acceleration_in_Special_Relativity Joseph A. Rybczyk :Thanks. <s>I'm afraid I can't find the exact paper the content was taken from - can you point out specifically where on mrelativity.net the content is taken from?</s> As well, I cannot find these papers published in a peer-reviewed journal - can you please point me to where they have been published other than on your personal website? :Since the content is a [[WB:COPYVIO|copyright violation]], it'll be deleted in about a week - is there any other material which was taken from your site? &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:46, 19 October 2008 (UTC) To Mike, The whole reason for the Millennium Relativity web site is to publish the papers that make up the millennium theory of relativity because peer-review journals refused to publish the initial works. This is also the reason that all of the millennium papers are on file (registered) with the US Copyright Office. I.e. to protect my rights since the science journals refused to do it by way of publishing the works. Moreover, the paper, Time and Energy, in which the relativistic acceleration treatment was first introduced in 2001, forms the basis of one of five proposals I have on file with the US National Science Foundation. My point is that the findings presented in these papers including the dates of the discoveries are well protected by several other means. As you most likely know, the special theory of relativity has been around for over 100 years. It is well known that Special Relativity does not deal with acceleration. That in fact was the ultimate purpose of General Relativity. If Einstein developed the treatment being contested, let the poster, Carandol, cite it specifically. I.e. where in special relativity or other Einstein paper? If the treatment was developed by some other author prior to my findings being published in 2001, including by Carandol himself, let him cite the paper and produce poof of when it was published. In summary, I don’t object to my original findings being cited in the works of others as long as it is done in a proper and legal manner and not as a ploy to attribute the credit to themselves or anyone else including Einstein himself. Joseph A. Rybczyk [[Special:Contributions/72.78.223.31|72.78.223.31]] ([[User talk:Rybczyk|talk]]) 14:54, 20 October 2008 (UTC) :Yes, however we don't allow [[WB:OR|original research]] - we're simply not capable (nor do we ever intend to be) of evaluating anyone's original research. As well, we cannot allow material which violates our [[Wikibooks:Copyrights|licensing policy]]. I'll just fast-track it & delete the page now. Thanks for your help. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:42, 20 October 2008 (UTC) ==The request for help addressing content/organization problems in the book "US history"== seemed to be deleted from the bulletin board. Did I post the request in the right place? I am trying to avert any incivil feelings from happening when our WV project "United we stand" is submitted to wikibooks. The course instructor is thinks the current "US history" book is quite inadequate for the job. I'm take a NPOV on that. I'll just observe that it is wikimedia way to Build on previous efforts not replace them. the best way to do this, is to find someone willing to speak for the project and the project. I've already posted information on my talk page and in the talk page of the book.--[[User:JoliePA|JoliePA]] ([[User talk:JoliePA|talk]]) 19:54, 21 October 2008 (UTC) :It's not civility I'm concerned with, but rather that you're making more work for yourself unnecessarily, and creating a wikibook outside Wikibooks. I've hidden the post so we can discuss this a bit. I don't have an opinion on the state of [[US History]] either, though I know it's received lots of criticism from within Wikibooks and without. If it's not ready for use, then it's best to fix it here on Wikibooks, and I have yet to see a convincing reason why that should not be the case here. Wikibooks is for collaboratively writing open-content textbooks, which is exactly what you're doing. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:44, 21 October 2008 (UTC) ::Is there a policy that there can not be more than one textbook on a subject? If so, what about texts with different focuses? [[Special:Contributions/137.164.142.2|137.164.142.2]] ([[User talk:137.164.142.2|talk]]) 17:17, 22 October 2008 (UTC) :::Not marked as such, but yes. We want only one textbook per subject unless there is a significant difference in audience, scope etc. There's no point having two texts for US History at the highschool(?) level which use similar or identical style etc. Thus, writing it outside Wikibooks and beginning anew means you are simply creating more work for you than need be. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:55, 22 October 2008 (UTC) ::::This is a textbook for AP or college students. Therefore the focus and scope are different, no? [[User:Geo.plrd|Geo.plrd]] ([[User talk:Geo.plrd|talk]]) 00:32, 23 October 2008 (UTC) :::::No. That's the same scope and audience as [[AP United States History]]. Regardless, textbooks should be written on Wikibooks. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:34, 23 October 2008 (UTC) ::::::Would anyone object if we take over AP US? [[User:Geo.plrd|Geo.plrd]] ([[User talk:Geo.plrd|talk]]) 02:28, 23 October 2008 (UTC) :::::::[[Wikibooks:Be bold|Absolutely not!]] Most books are dormant - authors tend to come and leave (usually before the book is finished), so you probably won't even see whoever started the book. And if you do, it certainly won't be seen as stepping on their toes. Wikibooks is about collaboration; we're all here to help, you don't need permission. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 04:09, 23 October 2008 (UTC) ::: Please ponder the stated preface in US HISTORY (not AP US HISTORY) ::::''This textbook is based initially on the College Entrance Examination Board test in Advanced Placement United States History. This seems to be the best reference on which to build a textbook, since it is a standard on the subject and covers what most U.S. history students study in high school and college. Overall, however, the content and structure may in time vary from all other books. Besides the regular wikibook rules governing unbiased writing, the only other guideline should be that everything should be kept more or less in chronological order and divided into logical chapters. Everything else is left pretty much to the individual authors that elect to join the project. Enjoy!'' ::::''AP Course Description http://www.collegeboard.com/student/testing/ap/sub_ushist.html'' :::the course link actually is a link the the college board requirements of which I've been using to write "United we stand" :::Although the content is off and its organization is odd, it at least attempts to discuss the same topics as the college board requirements. :::Unfortunately, the book "AP US history", although just started doesn't seem to have any revelance at all to college board material. Somehow they got stuck in the old world of african culture. I have hopes that in a further chapters "US history" might improve and we can adapt some of its information. :::I'll working on finishing a full first chapter this week and we can ponder adapting text next week. Thank you for you help Mike. --[[User:JoliePA|JoliePA]] ([[User talk:JoliePA|talk]]) 12:08, 23 October 2008 (UTC) ::::It looks like we will be taking over US History and writing according to the standards. [[User:Geo.plrd|Geo.plrd]] ([[User talk:Geo.plrd|talk]]) 17:00, 24 October 2008 (UTC) :::::Right now, I think the wisest course of action is to take over AP US History, rename it to Advanced US History, borrow sections of US History and rewrite massive portions that are subpar and inadequate. My goal is that at the end of this school year, we will have a standards based US History textbook. [[User:Geo.plrd|Geo.plrd]] ([[User talk:Geo.plrd|talk]]) 17:13, 24 October 2008 (UTC) ::Ok mike we have been unsure of ourselves and I think YOu can help us with this decision. :::*Basically, we have solidly determined that neither book meets OUR purpose ::::* US HISTORY does a better job latter on but the first 2 chapters is unsatisfactory :::*Both AP US HISTORY and US HISTORY claim to MEET our purpose :::*AP is a stub, US History is a developed book :::*Since our purpose is Carefully defined by the college board, we feel it our duty to be ruthlessly exact with our discussion and not get caught up in tangents and to have a very careful NPOV :::*Whatever we adopt, the first chapter+ will completely go ::::*thats the key then, we're not ''adding'' or merely ''modifying'', we're gutting whats there! it doesn't meet our purpose :::Geo, I think is worried about getting rid of past WB contributions that might hold some value to people that worked research and describe US history (however falling short on the college board requirement) :::However, I think that since both books fail to meet the objective we have an ethical right to do whatever modifications neccesary to meet that value. Ethically, the idea that we can do it better might strike people as arrogant, however I have carefully researched where it falls short. My writings might not be inspired but I can keep on topic, and try to keep sensational material out of a textbook. :::The fundmental question is Do we destroy less material and Compete for featured books status (which was kind of our plan in the beginning) OR do we destroy lots of material but fix a developed established feature book to the best of our ability ::::This would be SO Much easier if the author or people that approved book were around since we would gain consensus in the face of very radical changes! :::I wait for your opinion with anticipation--[[User:JoliePA|JoliePA]] ([[User talk:JoliePA|talk]]) 17:31, 24 October 2008 (UTC) :::Oops Am I rude, you're taking a wikibreak. Perhaps I'm not being bold to put this decision on your shoulders.--[[User:JoliePA|JoliePA]] ([[User talk:JoliePA|talk]]) 17:47, 24 October 2008 (UTC) Well, ''trying'' to take a wikibreak might be more accurate <code>:D</code> I think making massive changes to [[US History]] is probably the best choice here. (And if a rename is in order, so be it) As I said, that text has received lots of criticism; I don't think anyone will be upset to see someone bring it up to standard (in fact, rather the opposite). So, your plan to adopt [[US History]] sounds great! Again, I don't know the subject matter, but I do know Wikibooks, so I'll be happy to help out with "operational" stuff as required. I look forward to working with you both; it's always great to see authors with a plan of action. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:23, 24 October 2008 (UTC) :I'm inclined to agree with Mike, though I support any and all of your guys' efforts to bring a quality text to Wikibooks. [[User:Jade Knight|Jade Knight]] ([[User talk:Jade Knight|talk]]) 20:14, 24 October 2008 (UTC) == Procedure and clarity == I saw the notice to vote on the bot policy (top of the window). I ask you to fallow the normal procedure [[Wikibooks:Policies and guidelines/Vote]], and present a locked version for approval (changes can continue to be added but the proposed text will be fixed and reversible if a mid discussion alteration is made that changes the tone of the text in any way), this way is clearer, cleaner and less prone to confusion. I also state that I strongly object making this text a policy on the same grounds I presented. There is no clear motive to impart on it the enforcible/no challenge characteristic of a policy seems to be present. Even by what I read from WK last post on the topic he seems not to object to the spirit but places some doubts on the procedure (who does what), in my view rushing the text to a vote at present will not be productive . --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 06:42, 23 October 2008 (UTC) :If you think we need to use a /Vote subpage for the sake of using one, you can do so yourself. However I don't see a problem with the location of the current discussion, and I've explained already why I chose that location - it's not random. :I'll add a permalink to the version we're considering shortly, though I don't see the need. Nobody has made sweeping changes to the proposal, and if they did, it wouldn't be the end of the world - we would simply note the changes and decide whether we like them. Since it's not a straight-up vote (but rather a discussion) we're not so constrained as you imply. :I'm not rushing anything - if discussion determines that clarification is needed (ie clarifying the procedural aspects, which I view as advisory in any case - which I could explain if you'd like) then we will make those changes. If you have objections they should be made in the discussion (as you've done already), where everyone will see them, and we can take those into account - perhaps we will change the proposal to fix some problem you found with it, or perhaps everyone else will think it is a trivial issue not worth spending further time considering, or maybe something in between. :Thanks for your comments. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 10:58, 23 October 2008 (UTC) ::I don't particularly think fragmenting discussions on a topic on several pages is useful and will indubitably prevent keeping a historical background on all that was said about the topic. In this case I'm not talking about the discussion but the vote part, there are established procedures to run that, I don't see any reason for you to be redefining that, when you are calling for the approval of a police you are moving for a vote. What I said is that if you think the text is ready for the vote part please use the way it has been done in the past. The location is important, it uses a consistent structure, establishes a clear timetable for the approval, it promotes participation (having it run on an administrative area will turn some people off) and permits the procedure to be archived. ::If you are only asking for comments (as I thought you were), then the wording you chose for the header warning was badly chosen, as it moves for the approval of the policy, that notice is far district from the previous one you placed on the [[Wikibooks:Reading room/General]] asking for comments. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 18:19, 23 October 2008 (UTC) :::Since you obviously care about this, and I see it as trivial, please [[Wikibooks:Be bold|be bold]] and fix it yourself. I need to finish my research paper now. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:26, 23 October 2008 (UTC) *reset Done. The proposal is open for vote in [[Wikibooks:Policies and guidelines/Vote/Bots]], you have to fix the link on the header notice as I think I don't have access to it. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 00:55, 24 October 2008 (UTC) ==magnitiendum.com.mx== Hi Mike.lifeguard, we saw our site is on blacklist on wikipedia. We don´t know why we are here since we add the url of our website manually and it is not spam, please give us an explation and an option in order to be removed from this. we would appreciate you send us an email with your answer on ventas@magnitiendum.com.mx.Best regards :Yes, the domain was [[m:User:COIBot/XWiki/magnitiendum.com.mx|spammed]]. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:29, 25 October 2008 (UTC) == Still culling the draft == I've noticed some parts of only historical significance but that serve no useful purpose on the text, useful information to redefine old uses but that probably shouldn't be kept in the text. One example [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Bots/Unstable#Flood_flag_or_bot_flag.3F here]. I think I removed another one.<br> The first lines of the text even if important, could be removed. The one dealing with bot is not replicated on the bot section (it should be moved there) and the others simply restate something that is said on the specific location (flood and bot flag section). I would remove these last two also and use something like what is stated on the key features on the vote section as an introduction.<br> Taking in consideration Darklamas last post, reordering the sections may reduce restatements that now exist. As an example, [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Bots/Unstable#Common_problems this] should come after defining all bots since it applies to all and can probably merge parts that are common on each of the full and semi automatically definitions...<br> I also noticed that you never define the bot operator on its own section (a minimum experience level/edits could be set, since this would be an addition to the text it should be discussed on the vote page) and every enforcement stipulated only affects the bot account not the operator (or at least I didn't notice it). A bot can do unwanted things by accident but also by intention the first is covered by the bot block (mentioned on the draft) but it should mention also that malicious use of the a bot (with flag or not would get enforced action also on the operators account, if not declared by the IP information, something on those lines.<br> It would be also useful to block access to bots (all) to specific sections (userspaces if not the operator and without consent and probably other special pages).<br> Not revolutionary changes but something that would probably improve the overall quality, take a look if you have the time. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 04:09, 26 October 2008 (UTC) == [[Foundations of Education and Instructional Assessment]] / [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Image:Holding_Hands.jpg Holding Hands.jpg] == I had a question about an image used in my wikibook article. Holding_hands.jpg I got a message saying I needed license information. I added the license info, and then got another message on 10-17 saying it would be removed in 5 days. It has an attribution license and was free to use or distribute. I added an attribution to the photographer and the image came from Flickr Commons. I'm not sure what else I need to do to keep the image.[[User:Aburk018|Aburk018]] ([[User talk:Aburk018|talk]]) 04:17, 26 October 2008 (UTC) :Nope, that's it. Thanks for your attention. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 04:43, 26 October 2008 (UTC) == First aid question == Hi Mike, Could you review [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/Health_and_Science/First_Aid,_Standard&curid=97344&diff=1318987&oldid=993214 this diff] for accuracy? It doesn't sound right to me, but I'm not an expert. I don't want the poor grammar to taint my judgment of the technical merits. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 00:34, 28 October 2008 (UTC) :Looks like they might be trying to say "If the patient '''has no circulation (pulse)''', do not administer resue breathing. In such circumstances, CPR is used instead." however that's not strictly correct. Actually, what you have already at [[Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book/First aid/Rescue breathing]] isn't quite correct either, but I don't know the requirements for the award. If it requires "rescue breathing" specifically then it's fine. You might check whether that requirement has been updated though, or if it refers to "resuscitation" or something similar. For now, I've reverted the change. If you can let me know what the requirement states, I can be clearer about what it should say. Hope that's helpful to you. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:20, 28 October 2008 (UTC) ::Thanks for looking into it. The requirement is what it is, for better of for worse: :::''Know the basic principles for mouth-to-mouth breathing and the treatment for an obstructed airway.'' ::That's for [[Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book/Health and Science/First Aid, Standard|First Aid, Standard]]. THe module is also used in [[Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book/Health and Science/First Aid, Basic|First Aid, Basic]], where the requirement reads: :::''Know the proper steps for rescue breathing.'' ::If those are two different things, then I guess they should have two different answers. :: I have no authority to change it, and the organization is painfully slow about updating such things. Their slowness is a major part of why the Wikibook was started. My usual approach when I find badly written requirements is to explain why I think it's wrong, and present an answer that discusses the issues. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 01:31, 28 October 2008 (UTC) :::That's probably wise. So, then it looks fine, though out of date (which isn't your fault). It might be worth mentioning that it needs updating or something. I could do that if you'd like. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:04, 28 October 2008 (UTC) :::: If you'd be willing to do that, I'd be very happy. You can see how I've been doing that [[Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/Nature/Stars_-_Advanced_(North_American_Division)#13._Locate_the_15_first-magnitude_stars_as_they_appear_throughout_the_year.|here]] using a template that flags it and adds the honor to a [[:Category:Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book/Honors with problematic requirements|category]]. Every now and then the Honors Committee solicits input for corrections, so this category helps me keep tabs on what I perceive to be problems. Last time they asked, I didn't have too much to suggest. Next time, I'll be organized. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 02:49, 28 October 2008 (UTC) :::::Added a bit. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:11, 28 October 2008 (UTC) Thanks! --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 03:49, 28 October 2008 (UTC) == Question about my pics on Foundations of Education Wikibook == Hey Mike, I fixed the copyright tab info on my Wiki page: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Education_and_Instructional_Assessment/Edition_3/Foundations_Table_of_Contents/Chapter_5/5.5.3 Can you please confirm I have done everything correctly? This is part of a class project, so I really want to make sure I have satisifed all requirements. Thanks! Tish [[User:Ehawk008|Ehawk008]] ([[User talk:Ehawk008|talk]]) 03:03, 28 October 2008 (UTC) :When you want to use images from Commons, there is no need to upload them here. If the software can't find an image by the name you provide on Wikibooks, it will search for it on Commons. I've deleted the local copies, and replaced them with the Commons images. Thanks for your attention. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:30, 1 November 2008 (UTC) == [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Votes_for_deletion#Air_Cadet_Guide Air_Cadet_Guide] VFD == If you have the time it would be great if you included your rational. What motivated you to move for a VFD clarification ? Txs... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 20:02, 31 October 2008 (UTC) :I didn't feel it met the speedy deletion criteria. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:25, 1 November 2008 (UTC) ::Yup that was clear, but you only commented on the information given for the speedy, not on the points in favor for a keep. No big thing but probably useful for the discussion as of now I don't see any real argumentation done in favor of a keep. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 02:46, 1 November 2008 (UTC) :::I don't see how that's a problem. My opinion isn't ''necessary''. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:10, 1 November 2008 (UTC) ::::Heck, I was just asking for it as you were the initiator of the procedure and you position wasn't clear. You are free to be as occlusive as you like. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 18:31, 1 November 2008 (UTC) :::::I don't have a position other than what I've already stated: I don't think it met the speedy deletion criteria. If I form any further opinion, I'll feel free to make it known. Thanks. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:15, 1 November 2008 (UTC) == [[:w:User:Superm401/Compare link.js|User:Superm401/Compare link.js]] == Thanks for the heads up about [[:w:bugzilla:16165|bug 16165]]. I've commented there. [[User:Superm401|Superm401]] ([[User talk:Superm401|talk]]) 01:25, 8 November 2008 (UTC) :Yes, I saw that. I'm now trying to update it for htmldiff. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 07:32, 8 November 2008 (UTC) == Hi == I am sorry. I was occupied with personal work. I expected it to get over by Sunday but it dragged on.-<span style="color:maroon;font-size:4px;font-family:Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Ravichandar84|Ravichandar]]</span><sub><span style="color:aqua;font-family:Monotype Corsiva">[[User talk:Ravichandar84|My coffee shop]]</span></sub> 01:31, 13 November 2008 (UTC) :No problem, I just thought you might not have noticed. We all get called away. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:47, 13 November 2008 (UTC) == [[User:Um I did not understand what you said]] == * [http://toolserver.org/~vvv/sulutil.php?user=Um+I+did+not+understand+what+you+said sulutil.php] You should be aware of this account. See the bs on wikisource. Cheers, [[User:Jack Merridew|Jack Merridew]] 10:13, 13 November 2008 (UTC) == IRC == Hi, I tagged [[Bad Science]] with "query" as it appeared to be in a pretty bad shape and then removed my tag in reply to [[User:Ewen]]'s request. I guess we should keep a watch on the page looking for improvement. By the way, I don't wish to use IRC right now as I haven't used it earlier and I am not sure how I can mask my IP. Well, maybe, I need a few weeks before starting to use it.-<span style="color:maroon:font-size:4px;font-family:Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Ravichandar84|Ravichandar]]</span><sub><span style="color:aqua;font-family:Monotype Corsiva">[[User talk:Ravichandar84|My coffee shop]]</span></sub> 12:32, 13 November 2008 (UTC) :To mask your IP, you need to request a [[m:IRC cloak|cloak]]. It does require you to go on IRC to register your nicks and /msg the bot, but you can do that without joining a channel. Then, after you have a cloak your host will be hidden. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:41, 13 November 2008 (UTC) == losethegame.com blacklisting == hey :) i'm having trouble unifying my account as it says that there is a Jessi1989 account on de.wikipedia.org although when i look at http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Jessi1989... "Diese Benutzerseite existiert noch nicht"! anyway, i'd like to discuss with you your decline of the recent unblacklisting request for losethegame.com. the only other contributor to the discussion, ohnoitsjamie, claimed that the site was blacklisted because of a spamming campaign by the site's owner over the past 3 years. you apparently took his word for this because you declined it with the reason "per ohnoitsjamie". however, i can't find any evidence of this spamming campaign, which isn't mentioned in the blacklisting reason, so i asked ohnoitsjamie to provide some diffs to support his statement. the only evidence he could provide were the contributions of user:jonty303 who added the site to 14 pages in feb 2006 and hasn't made any edits since, over 18 months prior to when the blacklisting took place. he also stated that the site has been blacklisted "for several years", which is not true. it was blacklisted [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spam_blacklist&diff=694521&oldid=694374 here], in october 2007. do you think you could look into this issue further? i only wanted to use something hosted on this site as a reference, but after reading the guidelines for blacklisting, i'm inclined to believe it should not have been blacklisted in the first place. i'm not sure why ohnoitsjamie seems so keen for it to remain blacklisted. please see our recent discussion [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ohnoitsjamie#losethegame.com_spamming here] for more details. thanks Jessi1989 [[Special:Contributions/61.5.149.187|61.5.149.187]] ([[User talk:61.5.149.187|talk]]) 19:18, 13 November 2008 (UTC) :Dealt with at [[m:Talk:Spam blacklist]]. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:29, 13 November 2008 (UTC) ::hey, my reply ended up pretty lengthy so i posted it on my own talkpage [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jessi1989#losethegame.com_blacklisting here] so as not to make a mess of yours. thanks Jessi1989 [[Special:Contributions/61.5.149.41|61.5.149.41]] ([[User talk:61.5.149.41|talk]]) 12:09, 14 November 2008 (UTC) :::In case you're wondering, it's better to post things on [[m:Talk:Spam blacklist]]. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:22, 14 November 2008 (UTC) ::::oh ok, sorry i thought that by declining that you closed the debate and that it was best to talk directly to the declining admin. i'll post a summary of my opinion there shortly. Jessi1989 [[Special:Contributions/61.5.149.24|61.5.149.24]] ([[User talk:61.5.149.24|talk]]) 15:41, 16 November 2008 (UTC) ===YAY FlaggedRevs=== Hi Mike I just don't know what is going on the Structural Biochem page. Why do they ask for a validity check? thanks. :We just got a great new feature installed called FlaggedRevs. I'm writing the help page to explain what it is in detail right now, but it's basically a way to flag a particular revision as "good" etc. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:28, 14 November 2008 (UTC) == Hello == Hello. I'd like some help with something. Is there a template where there is the tool of multiplying numbers by the set parameter (e.g. [[Cookbook:English Breakfast#Ingredients|here]] the four is the parameter) for helping out with printable recipes?--[[User:MrIPAddress|MrIPAddress]] ([[User talk:MrIPAddress|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/MrIPAddress|contributions]]) ([[Special:EmailUser/MrIPAddress|email]]) 19:28, 17 November 2008 (UTC) :Not that I know of, but that would be a ''very'' good idea. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:29, 17 November 2008 (UTC) ::Heh. I'll check on other projects.--[[User:MrIPAddress|MrIPAddress]] ([[User talk:MrIPAddress|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/MrIPAddress|contributions]]) ([[Special:EmailUser/MrIPAddress|email]]) 20:20, 17 November 2008 (UTC) == Welsh == Just an FYI: [[user:Brenin yr elyrch|Brenin yr elyrch]] has been doing AMAZING work over at the Welsh book. Don't worry about anything he makes—it's high quality stuff, and he's prolific! [[User:Jade Knight|Jade Knight]] ([[User talk:Jade Knight|talk]]) 10:12, 20 November 2008 (UTC) == Moving of "Berlingo Electrique Service Manual" to "Citroën XM Service Manual/Introduction" == Can you help me understand why you did the [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Citro%C3%ABn_XM_Service_Manual%2FIntroduction&diff=1293695&oldid=1229057 move] above. A lot of the original contents are specific to the Berlingo Electrique and not even the Berlingo petrol/diesel. I cant see how it is related to the XM at all. Thanks, [[User:Arsharpe|Arsharpe]] ([[User talk:Arsharpe|talk]]) 22:59, 25 November 2008 (UTC) :Keep in mind I know next to nothing about cars. If it's in the wrong place, move it into a text where it makes more sense. Thanks &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:03, 25 November 2008 (UTC) Hey Mike, I'm also confused as to why you chose to move "Berlingo Electrique Service Manual" to "Citroën XM Service Manual/Introduction"? Surely it's original location was correct, no? What was your reasoning behind the move? Thanks, :See the above. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:41, 9 December 2008 (UTC) ky049nhy740ne9dqfm6jdzv8fd8h47b 3 180451 4654244 1407500 2026-07-12T18:29:34Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654244 wikitext text/x-wiki <[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 23|older]] [[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 25|newer]]> {{Talkarchive}} {{-}} == usurption of Beano == first of all, thank you for allowing me to usurp this username. I do have a question for you: Why does my username have (usurped) after the name? Is it possible that i can get it removed so I can just be user:Beano? I'm active on the english wikipedia and have plans to expand to all sister projects. Thanks! [[User:Beano|<b><span style="color:#C00000">~Beano~</span></b>]]<sup><small><b>[[User_talk:Beano|<span style="color:blue"> (talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Beano|<span style="color:green">(contribs)</span>]]</b></small></sup> 23:44, 26 November 2008 (UTC) :<b>UPDATE:</b> After taking a closer look, it looks like only user_talk:beano had (usurped) after it. I discovered that there was a redirect on my talkpage. I went ahead and removed it so I can use the talkpage properly. If this is a problem, please let me know. [[User:Beano|<b><span style="color:#C00000">~Beano~</span></b>]]<sup><small><b>[[User_talk:Beano|<span style="color:blue"> (talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Beano|<span style="color:green">(contribs)</span>]]</b></small></sup> 23:54, 26 November 2008 (UTC) ::No, that's perfect. I was supposed to do that, but forgot. Thanks. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:11, 27 November 2008 (UTC) == Criteria / Levels == Mike, hi. I did what I could with the discussion of criteria and levels in the Muggles' Guide, moving it over to the Help page, but there is not a thing I can do about '''Coverage''' — all of our discussion there is MG-specific. For some reason I still feel very twitchy about writing anything for WB-wide perusal. I keep expecting Panic to leap out of the shadows... I'd appreciate it greatly if you could take a look over what I've done on the Help page and verify the quality. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 09:00, 27 November 2008 (UTC) :The only thing I'd question is the idea that the "leader" for a book needs to approve of an edit before it can be flagged. We do try to be as open as possible - this is a wiki. I'd say perhaps that that can simply be replaced by stating that agreement among editors of the the book or the community at large that the page is accurate would be plenty. Maybe ask around for some other ideas - that's just my take. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:07, 27 November 2008 (UTC) ::I'd argue about primary and lead editors; from experience, any committee is normally driven by one strong personality who drags things the way he wants them to go... or is so obnoxious that everyone fights him out of principle. However, I have rewritten to fit the principles of a wiki, if not the facts. Better? [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 01:31, 28 November 2008 (UTC) :::Yeah, sounds better to me. Thanks for your input. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:36, 28 November 2008 (UTC) *reset Mike, like it or not, it seems you are now effectively the go-to guy for the new reviewing tool... and because of that you will be fielding the questions. Here's one for you already: Every page in the Muggles' Guide is flagged in the changes summary (for me) with a red "!", presumably to indicate that it is unreviewed. Except for pages that I create. It seems that if I create a page, it is automatically reviewed to level 1 across the board, possibly because I am an editor. Pages I edit are not accorded the same autoreview. Is this to be expected? [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 07:29, 1 December 2008 (UTC) :Yes, that's normal. It's expected you're not going to create bad pages. You can always manually bump the review level as needed. I think after you edit a page that's already been flagged, you should be shown the diff from the last flagged version up to your version and given the opportunity to flag the new one. It's not automatically done because you don't necessarily know what changes happened in between without looking (ie you can't automatically assume that your version is good - there might be hidden vandalism in some part of the page you didn't edit, for example). &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:17, 1 December 2008 (UTC) ::Which explains why, so long as I am the only editor on a page, it stays reviewed. Hmm... Interesting. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 20:12, 1 December 2008 (UTC) == Ownership == Doesn't sound like wide latitude at all!! - Is this your personal interpretation or is it backed up by some directive to which you can refer me? [[User:Rotational|Rotational]] ([[User talk:Rotational|talk]]) 17:41, 27 November 2008 (UTC) :I have a Commons user talk page, you know. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:32, 27 November 2008 (UTC) == Engineerng Acoustics/supercharging 2 stroke engines picture == Hi Mike, I uploaded a picture for my page that is for a class project. the link for the picture says you deleted/moved it? this is the picture link: http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Upload&wpDestFile=Tune_pipe_cross_sections.JPG what do I have to get that picture back on my page? Has it been moved to wiki commons? if so, how do i find it there? thanks Albert :Yes, I did delete that image as there was no information on how it is licensed, or the source of the image. According to [[WB:MEDIA|our media policy]], license and source information must be provided, preferably using [[WB:ICT|the templates provided]]. I can certainly help you do that if you find it difficult. I've restored that image so you can provide this information for it. Thanks &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:04, 28 November 2008 (UTC) Thanks, help with this would be much appreciated as I intend on adding more pictures, and therefore would like to know how to add the license info. I drew that picture myself in MS Paint and intend to draw all pictures myself. What do we do in this case? Albert :I would suggest multi-licensing under the GFDL and all version of CC-by-sa. You'll want to use the following template code on the image description page, filling in the appropriate information. <pre><nowiki> {{Information |Author = [[User:Albenstein]] |Date = whatever date you created it (not uploaded) |Source = own work |Permission = {{self|GFDL|cc-by-sa-all}} |Description = Describe the image }} </nowiki></pre> :&nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:32, 28 November 2008 (UTC) == egg rice == its ginger and garlic paste. we indian's dont use seperate ginger and garlic paste's. it is 70gm garlic to 100gm ginger which is mixed in a mixer with water and salt and the taste would be very different if u did as its written in there it would taste very different. :Oh, I'm sorry. It's just that that didn't seem like the original intent. I stand corrected. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:11, 4 December 2008 (UTC) == Stable Versions == Mike, I can't figure out what [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=stable&user=&page=&year=&month=-1 this log] is, or how we configure stable versions of a page like you've done. Am I missing something? --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 17:38, 4 December 2008 (UTC) :On the protect tab, look for "This page has an updated stable version; page stability settings can be configured." - ''configured'' is a link where you can adjust those settings. But the UI is pretty bad - doesn't really describe what's what. The first option is what to show to anon users. They see the stable version by default, but you can change that - some pages you want changes to go live right away. The second thing is a bit more complicated - about what to show if there is a stable version. The first option is to show the latest quality version (even if there are sighted versions newer than that) - if one doesn't exist, then the sighted version. The second option is just the latest flagged version, no matter what level it's flagged to. I'm not really clear where that'd be useful to change though. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:48, 4 December 2008 (UTC) ::Ah, I use the protect tab so infrequently that I would have never seen this option. Thanks Mike! --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 15:56, 10 December 2008 (UTC) == [[Commons:User:Lmbuga#Your recent block(s)]] == (poor english) I will look for a user who translates to English these words '''Español''': (Sigo sin poder expresar en inglés ideas complejas por falta de capacidad) Deseo hacer considerar, especialmente a [[User:Mike.lifeguard]], que los bloqueos pueden tener finalidades muy diferentes. Puedo aceptar que se me pida que abandone mis atribuciones como administrador por haber cometido un error, pero no admito ser parte de un parcial y personal listado de actuaciones de los administradores: es injusto. Es injusto porque yo había bloqueado a una ip por 2 horas, y lo hice no como castigo (sería absurdo hacerlo por 2 horas para castigar), sinó porque consideré conveniente (dado que no es la primera vez que veo actuaciones ideológicas de ese tipo y probablemente en esa página) que quedase constancia a otros administradores de esa acción, acción que erroneamente consideré ideológica. De hecho, permití que durante esas dos horas se crease un usuario desde esa ip. Incluírme en un listado en el que consten simplemente actitudes punitivas de administradores es algo que considero insultante. Insultante no solamente por el proceder que he tenido siempre, también por el proceder que he tenido en este caso y, además, en su resolución. Es habitual que dialogue con ips, pero esto es entrar a justificar mi proceder y mi historial como administrador en Commons, cosa a la que no estoy dispuesto bajo ningún concepto, puesto que no estoy dispuesto a defenderme dado que no pretendo perpetuarme en ningún cargo: Cuando sobre, sobro y ya está. Expreso simplemente que las palabras de [[User:Mike.lifeguard]] son, para mí, insultantes. En caso de que desee expresarlas y crea que me excedo en los bloqueos, considero que debe proponer que yo deje de ser administrador. En caso de que no ose hacerlo, tanto por no creer que eso sea lo que suceda, como por cualquier otro motivo, considero que debe de estudiar más pormenorizadamente los casos antes de expresarse, considero que no debe equiparar mi actuación con las peores actuaciones que ha visto. '''El error que [[User:Mike.lifeguard]] está cometiendo es muy semejante al que yo he cometido: Mike, no generalice: actuaciones semejantes pueden ser muy diferentes.--[[User:Lmbuga|Lmbuga]] ([[User talk:Lmbuga|talk]]) 00:13, 5 December 2008 (UTC) :{{done|Replied}} on Commons. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:58, 5 December 2008 (UTC) You are not guilty. I would like that you excused my words. Thanks --[[User:Lmbuga|Lmbuga]] ([[User talk:Lmbuga|talk]]) 18:00, 9 December 2008 (UTC) == Careful... == To misrepresent implies the intention to lead others in error, dishonestly and tempering with the truth. If you have any problem with any of my actions please do address it first privately and provide validation for your assessment. In the case at hand I will push for clarification of the problem (colon convention) and at that time I will point out previous discussions that validates and clarifies my position on the subject... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 00:51, 8 December 2008 (UTC) :The word "misrepresent" does not have that connotation, nor was it intended to. Colons are not to be used as a delimiter between Bookname:Chapter for example. They're valid as part of a title, so Bookname:Chapter is invalid but Bookname: Subtitle/Chapter is valid. Thanks for your attention to detail. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 04:04, 8 December 2008 (UTC) == MINC toolbox pages == Hi Mike, thanks for the note about the empty pages. I certainly do plan to fill them all in (there are now three of us working on this book) but as I am sure you are aware it does take time. :( Is there a simple way (beyond commenting) that you can hide a page before it is ready for prime time? .Still, nice to know that at least someone has read (some of) it! [[User:Andrew janke|Andrew janke]] ([[User talk:Andrew janke|talk]]) 03:23, 9 December 2008 (UTC) :No, there's not. You can start pages in your userspace ([[User:Andrew janke/Whatever]]) and then move it into place when ready, but there's not any huge benefit to doing so. Just remove {{tlx|query}} & that'll be fine. Thanks for the note! &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 04:42, 9 December 2008 (UTC) == SUL account status == * Hello Mike. After being renamed by you here I've merged my accounts but when I consult [http://toolserver.org/~vvv/sulutil.php?user=Georgez SUL UTIL] it keeps saying that the user name in en.wikibooks is '''unattached'''! Why? [[User:Georgez|Georgez]] ([[User talk:Georgez|talk]]) 22:00, 16 December 2008 (UTC) *:Yes, renaming accounts does that. You simply [[Special:MergeAccount|re-merge]] it. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:50, 17 December 2008 (UTC) *:: Nevermind, it's merged now. Thanks! [[User:Georgez|Georgez]] ([[User talk:Georgez|talk]]) 19:12, 17 December 2008 (UTC) == [[User talk:Frank mcdonald]] on En-Wiki == The user who requested to usurp the username above (I assume) just popped up on the AC toolserver requesting an account on En-Wiki. Since the above user account is nearly two years old with no edits - We created the account he requested as [[User:Frank McDonald]]. Thought you might like to know so the usurp request can be put to rest. Cheers, [[User:Paxse|Paxse]] ([[User talk:Paxse|talk]]) 17:13, 18 December 2008 (UTC) :God that's an impressive number of redlinks in a single message :) [[User:Paxse|Paxse]] ([[User talk:Paxse|talk]]) 17:14, 18 December 2008 (UTC) ::Yep, figured out ACC after the usurp req. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:30, 18 December 2008 (UTC) == Thank you == Thank you for the work at Commons. I really appreciate your help. --[[User:Manop|Manop]] ([[User talk:Manop|talk]]) 05:59, 20 December 2008 (UTC) == LoTR Citation Templates == Hi, Are you planning on creating all of these on WB? I've just been cleaning up one of the articles to remove the dependency as I assumed we wouldn't want the templates here on WB... don't know why I assumed that, but anyway, if you are going to create them all, I'll stop cleaning them up! Thanks. <span style="color:#E66C2C">[[User:QuiteUnusual|'''Unusual? Quite''']]</span> <sup><span style="color:#306754">[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|TalkQu]]</span></sup> 17:17, 28 December 2008 (UTC) :Meh. I'd prefer to have them as vanilla <nowiki><ref></nowiki>s, but it's easier to just import the template :) Clean up as you see fit ({{tlx|delete}} is your friend) &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:19, 28 December 2008 (UTC) ::Okay, well, there's so much clean-up to do I'll probably leave it until "later". Cheers. <span style="color:#E66C2C">[[User:QuiteUnusual|'''Unusual? Quite''']]</span> <sup><span style="color:#306754">[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|TalkQu]]</span></sup> 17:27, 28 December 2008 (UTC) == mbz1 == :"truly atrocious disruption" Hi Mike, While you're right that Mbz1 shouldn't have uploaded the images, I can't fault his motivation for acting. I agree that the way he chose to act was wrong, and that it was disruptive, but in no way was it atrociously disruptive. There is a middle ground to be found here, and a bit more good will on everyone's part would help. Thanks, [[User:BenAveling|BenAveling]] ([[User talk:BenAveling|talk]]) 22:52, 29 December 2008 (UTC) :I have a Commons talk page, you know <code>:)</code> :However, I do think his behaviour is truly atrocious & he admits he is purposefully disrupting Commons to make a point - ''that's not OK''. I very seldom say things I don't mean. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:13, 29 December 2008 (UTC) ::Re location: I just clicked on your signature - I didn't check where it landed. Re degree of disruption: the disruption caused was minor, a couple of extra deletion debates. Remember that we are talking about cartoons that encourage people to go out and kill people. That is atrocious. Given the context, there is a real chance that these cartoons may cause someone to kill someone. Our hosting these cartoons may cost a life somewhere. Freedom of speech is like that. It may also save lives, if it is used as part of a sensible discussion. A blanket ban would be wrong. Keeping all of them with no requirement that they be presented as part of a rational discussion would also, IMHO, be wrong. But I'm getting off topic. Mbz1 did the wrong thing for good reasons. Throwing a hissy fit because other wikipedians don't seem to care about the possibility of encouraging murder is bad behaviour, but hardly atrocious. Attacking him without engaging with the point he is trying to make is not constructive behaviour. Regards, [[User:BenAveling|BenAveling]] ([[User talk:BenAveling|talk]]) 00:47, 30 December 2008 (UTC) :::I disagree with everything you've said here. As I've stated my stance clearly on multiple occasions, I'm not going to do so again here. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:51, 30 December 2008 (UTC) == Vandalbot Added to Blacklist == Hi Mike, http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Instructional_Technology%2FInstructional_Design%2FRapid_Prototyping&diff=1371486&oldid=1371483 Added IP 87.106.94.63 to BL per yesterday's chat. <span style="color:#E66C2C">[[User:QuiteUnusual|'''Unusual? Quite''']]</span> <sup><span style="color:#306754">[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|TalkQu]]</span></sup> 16:34, 3 January 2009 (UTC) :Thanks a bunch! &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:03, 4 January 2009 (UTC) == HELP == Excuze me, butin wikbooks is there a fifth grade science textbook which is from harcout which the school John I Smith Elem.(Florida) uses. '''IT MUST BE FREE AND ONLINE'''. Thanks 4 the help --[[User:Blacky98|Blacky98]] ([[User talk:Blacky98|talk]]) 02:40, 4 January 2009 (UTC) :No there is not. All our textbooks were written by volunteers. That one is published by Harcourt Press - you might be able to find it on their website. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 04:29, 4 January 2009 (UTC) == [[Transwiki:Bearded Dragon]] == I found this up for speey deletion and deleted it before seeing your note on the history. Still, I couldn't find it mentioned on either [[WB:RFI]] or [[WB:TW]] (these should probably be merged), nor their log/archives. Any idea who asked for this to be moved in? This page is nearly a year old without anyone doing anything with it. It might be best, after all, to delete and re-import if anyone asks for it. --[[User:Swift|Swift]] ([[User talk:Swift|talk]]) 14:46, 5 January 2009 (UTC) *[[User_talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive_14#Dragons]] - not whether it needs deleting or not. I guess they haven't used it yet. But the transwiki namespace is largely junk that we don't need. We should perhaps think about a larger cleanup. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:43, 5 January 2009 (UTC) == Improper conduct the Commons == You blocked me on the Commons based on Kuiper's complaint. You were part of the argument between us and backed Kuiper. You didn't ask for my response, and you didn't ask another administrator to handle the complaint. This is an improper conduct, even if what you did were just. [[User:Drork|Drork]] ([[User talk:Drork|talk]]) 07:25, 7 January 2009 (UTC) :No, I didn't. I happened to find that complaint after I blocked you (see the timestamps). Your continuing incivility was pointed out to me by Multichill. You've had multiple warnings for the same issues over the past week, so I'm not sure why you think the block would be unjustified. Please try to calm down, and work cooperatively when the block expires. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:25, 7 January 2009 (UTC) ::Kuiper conduct is not what you would expect from a dedicated contributor to the Commons. If you choose to back him - that's fine, but you also chose to use your administrator's privileges against me, while you could have asked another administrator to handle the issue. [[User:Drork|Drork]] ([[User talk:Drork|talk]]) 16:42, 7 January 2009 (UTC) I'd like to tell you another thing - you have a lot of privileges on various projects. Actually, I don't think I've seen someone with so many privileges on several Wikimedia projects - including Meta and Commons which are global projects - and I'm part of these projects for a long time. The way you participated in the discussion about those caricatures, asking those who call for deletion to explain their opinion or to elaborate their arguments, while supporting those who call for keeping the caricatures, repeating the claim as if deleting the caricature were censorship etc. was quite unfair considering the privileges you hold. You have a lot of power, and you overused it. I don't think you did it on purpose, but it is still wrong. [[User:Drork|Drork]] ([[User talk:Drork|talk]]) 06:31, 9 January 2009 (UTC) :I'm pretty sure I didn't use my "powers" at all - if I did, please point out the log entries. We had several discussions in a fair and open forum. Complaining about the outcome is probably not worthwhile. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 14:45, 9 January 2009 (UTC) == Request for multiple move "Bot" == Hi Mike, I have been around Wikipedia and Wikibooks for some time and thought I knew I was trying to improve the Wikibook Blender 3D: Noob to Pro by moving the whole book to Blender 3D: Beginner to Professional, unfortunately most, if not all, the links were lost!-does your Bot do this automatically? kind regards [[User:Read-write-services|Read-write-services]] ([[User talk:Read-write-services|talk]]) 00:18, 8 January 2009 (UTC) :It uses relative links. So long as the whole book gets moved, it won't be a problem. However, I ''don't'' think that is an improvement on the current title, so I would hesitate to recommend that you move the book. As well, if it is going to get moved, you should get a sysop to do it. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:45, 8 January 2009 (UTC) kovq69zcordz5bynkf2tb96hwqekngu 110 181436 4654279 4282281 2026-07-13T07:43:58Z Meno25 43227 rm iw 4654279 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Featured book}} {{Reading level|Pre-reader}} {{Print version}} <div style="width: 100%; text-align: center; font-size: xx-large; margin-bottom: 1em">'''Small Numbers'''</div> [[File:Números 1, 2 e 3.svg|center|frameless|upright=2|Small Numbers]] <noinclude><div style="font-size: x-large; text-align: center; margin-bottom: 1em;">— [[Wikijunior:Small Numbers/0|0]] [[Wikijunior:Small Numbers/1|1]] [[Wikijunior:Small Numbers/2|2]] [[Wikijunior:Small Numbers/3|3]] [[Wikijunior:Small Numbers/4|4]] [[Wikijunior:Small Numbers/5|5]] [[Wikijunior:Small Numbers/6|6]] [[Wikijunior:Small Numbers/7|7]] [[Wikijunior:Small Numbers/8|8]] [[Wikijunior:Small Numbers/9|9]] [[Wikijunior:Small Numbers/10|10]] —</div> <div style="text-align: center"> ---- This book was translated from Portuguese Wikibooks. The authors are: [[:pt:Usuário:Alustriel|Alustriel]], [[:pt:Usuário:Heldergeovane|Helder]], [[:pt:Usuário:Jorge Morais|Jorge Morais]], [[:pt:Usuário:Marcos Antônio Nunes de Moura|Marcos Antônio Nunes de Moura]], [[:pt:Usuário:PatríciaR|PatríciaR]] The translators and editors of English edition are: [[User:Empire3131|Empire3131]], [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]], [[User:Ashaio|Ashaio]] </div> </noinclude> {{Shelves|Wikijunior pre-reader books}} <noinclude> {{Alphabetical|S}} {{status|100%}} </noinclude> jb6bl4ylv6x5tiy3goc9s3zjolq1om1 3 185749 4654245 1407505 2026-07-12T18:30:23Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654245 wikitext text/x-wiki <[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 24|older]] [[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 26|newer]]> {{Talkarchive}} {{-}} == Editor == Hello, and sorry for bothering you. I don't even know if this is the correct place to ask this question. If it's not feel free to tell me and I will remove or repost it in the correct place. I am not asking for permission to become an editor but I would like to know how I can tell if I have become one. Is there a notable difference in the pages or the bar that tells the level of accuracy, completeness, etc? Or is it something that you have to be looking for? I have been wanting to update the Wikijunior:All Books page because more books have been added and the format has been redone. Thank you for your help. --[[User:Xxagile|Xxagile]] ([[User talk:Xxagile|talk]]) 23:22, 9 January 2009 (UTC) :[[Special:ListUsers/editor]] lists the current editors. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:26, 9 January 2009 (UTC) == Re:YAY == Back for now. I've just been very busy with school and a lot of other stuff....basically my life. I won't be too active until summer but I'm going to make an effort to get on here a few times a week.-[[User:Red4tribe|Red4tribe]] ([[User talk:Red4tribe|talk]]) 19:24, 10 January 2009 (UTC) == No license == Hi Mike, I tagged all images that hasn't got a license tag, so next week all images without a license should be fixed or deleted. I placed the Special:NewFiles page on my bookmarks, If I check weekly we don't get a backlog like that again. Best regards, [[User:Abigor|Abigor]] ([[User talk:Abigor|talk]]) 13:57, 11 January 2009 (UTC) :Thanks so much for your help! &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:19, 11 January 2009 (UTC) == Mandarin Language/wikibooks == I'm new to this whole thing, sorry if this message should not be here. Sorry if this message is horrendously out of date or something. I wrote a response to your comment on th page mentioned in the title. There are a couple of other errors/inaccuracies on that page and I would like to correct them but I'm not sure how to go about it. :Sorry, I'm not sure I recall what you're referring to. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 04:05, 13 January 2009 (UTC) == deleting page == I'm assuming your response was a bot, but either way, sorry about that. Its been some years since I've used wikipedia and I had forgotten that you prefer moving/renaming to deleting. Please let me know how to fix the page I deleted (or if it should just be left as is..) I wanted to move [[Human_Anatomy/Osteology/Extremities]] to [[Human_Anatomy/Osteology/Upperextremities]]. Thanks and sorry! [[User:DavidMendoza|DavidMendoza]] ([[User talk:DavidMendoza|talk]]) 04:58, 15 January 2009 (UTC) :I'm not a bot <code>:)</code> You can use the ''move'' tab at the top of the page - this preserves the editing history, which is required by the GFDL. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 05:00, 15 January 2009 (UTC) == Individual preferences? == Please see [[meta:Talk:Wikibooks/Logo#Individual_preferences?]]; there is something unclear with your decision, I think. --- Best regards, [[User:Melancholie|Melancholie]] ([[User talk:Melancholie|talk]]) 19:55, 15 January 2009 (UTC) == Tex For chemistry. == Hello. I checked http://wikisophia.org/wiki/Wikitex from mediawiki.org. However, I was unable to use them on wikibooks. Is it that the wikiTex software has not yet been implemented on wikibooks? If so, are there any chances of implementation in the near future? Thanks. --[[User:Thewinster|Thewinster]] ([[User talk:Thewinster|talk]]) 07:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC) :No, we use a more limited version of TeX markup (see [[Help:TeX markup]]) - I think the version(s) with more features have security issues, which is why we don't use them. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:54, 16 January 2009 (UTC) ::Thanks. That is basically, we use only maths formulae. So, what do we do for chemistry? Use the above mentinoned wiki to generate a .png and then upload the file to commons? Will that have any licensing issues? --[[User:Thewinster|Thewinster]] ([[User talk:Thewinster|talk]]) 17:49, 16 January 2009 (UTC) :::You can approximate some chem stuff with this markup. What you can't, feel free to do just that - there'd be no licensing issues. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:03, 16 January 2009 (UTC) ::::'''Some chemistry stuff'''... But the tex page you redirected me to has only maths! Is there any documentation for all the things that can be done in chemistry? --[[User:Thewinster|Thewinster]] ([[User talk:Thewinster|talk]]) 21:01, 16 January 2009 (UTC) :::::Well, you can do stuff like <math>^{13}_{14}C\ell^{2-}</math> <math>Na + C\ell \rightharpoonup NaC\ell</math> etc... there's a lot you can do with TeX even if you don't have the full featureset. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:39, 16 January 2009 (UTC) == Bureaucrat "keeps" == I've answered [[m:Meta_talk:Administrators/confirm/bureaucrat_chat/January_2009|here]]. Thank you. --[[User:M7|M7]] ([[User talk:M7|talk]]) 20:46, 18 January 2009 (UTC) :Thank you for the notice. I've chosen not to comment, since my views are already known. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:35, 18 January 2009 (UTC) == re: Twinkle Speedy == Of couse I will, I'll let you know how I get on. It's still at the same place right? P.S. Sorry for the late reply, once again exam season has sprung upon me, and I havent been able to get to my mail as quickly as usual. [[User:Reece|<span style="color:black"><b>Reece</b></span>]] [[User talk:Reece|<span style="color:green"><small>(Talk)</small></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Reece|<span style="color:green"><small>(Contributions)</small></span>]] 09:50, 21 January 2009 (UTC) :Yep, it's an option in ''Gadgets'' tab of [[Special:Preferences]] &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:44, 21 January 2009 (UTC) == Help needed with book making == Hello Mike, I'm hoping you can spare us some attention with an issue we are having in trying to generate a PDF and book from a wikibook we created. I have left [[Wikibooks:Reading_room/Technical_Assistance#Print_to_book_contents_page|details on a technical forum]], but am unsure if I am in the right place. You must be very busy, but we would really appreciate it if you, or someone as experienced as you could lend us a hand with this? We are trying to prepare for classes here at Otago Polytechnic but have hit a bit of a problem with the print to PDF feature. Many thanks. --[[User:Leighblackall|leighblackall]] ([[User talk:Leighblackall|talk]]) 22:05, 21 January 2009 (UTC) == pt wikibooks logo == Hi, it turns out they [[:pt:Wikibooks:Staff lounge#Novo logotipo do Wikilivros|started a discussion already]], so there will be a translation soon. Thanks! [[User:PatríciaR|PatríciaR]] ([[User talk:PatríciaR|talk]]) 09:31, 23 January 2009 (UTC) :Perfect, thanks! &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:56, 23 January 2009 (UTC) == Sangi == Hi Mike. Just a question. I'm the creator of the conlang.wikia site for Sangi as well as the wikibook entry Just wondering, how would I state that I gave myself permission to transfer the material? [[User:Wikim3|Wikim3]] ([[User talk:Wikim3|talk]]) 17:40, 23 January 2009 (UTC) :Well, it looks to me like there are multiple people who wrote that - are you sure it was you and only you? &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 05:36, 25 January 2009 (UTC) :: It was only me yes. I was working from different locations about 80 miles apart at different times of the year, mostly my parents house over xmas and the summer holidays so I'm definitely sure it was me. Also, I keep a word document version so I know which changes are mine, which is all of them if I remember rightly. [[User:Wikim3|Wikim3]] ([[User talk:Wikim3|talk]]) 12:30, 25 January 2009 (UTC) :::OK. If it's still up, you can remove the {{tlx|copyvio}} notice. Thanks for the info. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:09, 25 January 2009 (UTC) == [[:Commons:Subdivisions of the Philippines]] == Responded on [[:Commons:User talk:Ludger1961#Subdivisions of the Philippines|my page]]. Regards --[[User:Ludger1961|ludger1961]] ([[User talk:Ludger1961|talk]]) 05:09, 25 January 2009 (UTC) == Project name and slogan in Serbian == Hi, you asked me to translate name and slogan for WikiBooks to Serbian, from [[m:File:Wikibooks-logo-en.svg]]. The project name is "Вики књиге", as you can see at WikiBooks in Serbian [http://sr.wikibooks.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0 here]. The slogan, however, reads "Размишљај слободно, учи слободно" (literally translated as "Think freely, learn freely"). It's very "open" translation, I am not sure I like it, but another translation could be "Слободне књиге за слободан свет" (Free books for a free world). I don't know who, when and why translated it as "Think freely, learn freely", but "Free books for a free world" (Слободне књиге за слободан свет) sounds much better and is practically a direct translation from the original slogan, which, as I said, sounds much better. --[[User:Дарко Максимовић|Дарко Максимовић]] ([[User talk:Дарко Максимовић|talk]]) 15:16, 28 January 2009 (UTC) :I'm sorry, I don't speak Serbian so I have simply asked [[m:User:Dungodung]] for a translation. If the srwikibooks community wants a different translation of "open books for an open world" then I can certainly update the slogan for you. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:03, 28 January 2009 (UTC) == www-2.net Spam block == Re: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:COIBot/XWiki/www-2.net Hi, I have donated a bunch of pictures to wikipedia (de, en, commons) and all my source-links to www-2.net have been removed! I was very careful to choose VERY appropriate pictures and some of them are real gems, '''my best photos''' and are very rare (For example the 1973 poster for [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkpop Pinkpop] and the concert poster for the [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallenstein_(Band) Krautrock band Wallenstein]. It was a lot of work, and I would hate to manually restore the source-links, can you please, '''please remove the spam-filter''' and '''restore all''' my edits? Presumably you will insist that your decision was correct and not rash. I just hope you have a heart and you intend to encourage the donation of pictures -- and not discourage me. [[User:Y23|Y23]] ([[User talk:Y23|talk]]) 08:05, 29 January 2009 (UTC) :Please, this belongs at [[m:Talk:Spam blacklist]]. AFAIK, the images are still there, it is only the spam links which I removed. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:08, 29 January 2009 (UTC) ==Royal House of Portugal== Dear Mike: Presently, in Portugal, there are two families descending from Kings. One is the "Braganza's" Family (please check: [http://www.casarealportuguesa.org/ House of Braganza - www.casarealportuguesa.org], from the old House of Braganza, and other is the "Braganza-Wettin's" Family (please check: [http://www.casarealdeportugal.org/ House of Braganza-Wettin - www.casarealdeportugal.org]), from the last Reignant House in Portugal, the House of Braganza-Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. It is natural that their websites are included in their respective articles on Wikipedia, and I think that you should accept both. Remember also that Wikipedia sould be neutral in this type of discussions. Please replace the information and used it to show the difference between this pretenders. Thank you. [[Special:Contributions/84.90.92.195|84.90.92.195]] ([[User talk:84.90.92.195|talk]]) 22:24, 29 January 2009 (UTC) :Please, there is [[m:User:COIBot/XWiki/casarealportuguesa.org]] for this. I don't particularly care about Portuguese royalty or whatever - I'm concerned with the spamming. I suggest you take this to the appropriate forum. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:01, 30 January 2009 (UTC) ::I'm sorry but a Royal House Official Website should not be considered as spam! In this subject, '''spam is www.chivalricorders.org/royalty/fantasy/portugal-false.htm'''. Please, watch how this adress is used to promote false doctrines about the Royal Family of Portugal. You should consider "www.chivalricorders.org/royalty/fantasy/portugal-false.htm" as spam, and not [http://www.casarealdeportugal.org/ casarealdeportugal.org] - House of Braganza-Wettin | Official Website. Please, analise it better. Thank you. [[Special:Contributions/84.90.92.195|84.90.92.195]] ([[User talk:84.90.92.195|talk]]) 21:14, 3 February 2009 (UTC) :::I'm sorry, you are pushing this link inappropriately. We generally don't blacklist sites because of they say &mdash; it's the ''behaviour of those who are placing links'' which is the issue. You should probably stop pushing the domain. Instead, suggest inclusion on the talk page for articles where you think inclusion would be appropriate. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:28, 3 February 2009 (UTC) ==Thanks== For the unblock. [[Special:Contributions/68.213.169.171|68.213.169.171]] ([[User talk:68.213.169.171|talk]]) 02:17, 30 January 2009 (UTC) :Again, I suggest you create an account and use it. Feel free to use my Commons talk page if you need help with anything further. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:01, 30 January 2009 (UTC) ::I thought this was the encyclopedia that ''anyone'' could edit, not just registered users. It seems to me that IPs and new users are viewed with some contempt/animosity. In any case, would ''you'' be willing to discuss the dilemma with regards to the portraits I submitted earlier? If not, I won't waste your time. If you would be willing to help me understand where I'm missing something, I'd appreciate it. If not, perhaps you could direct me to where I can ask those questions without getting banned. ::Lastly, it seems to me for things to be in pretty bad form to semi-protect your own page and/or block someone with whom you disagree. Perhaps things are significantly different on the WikiCommons, but on the English Wikipedia, involved editors don't make blocks, they submit for other uninvolved admins to deal with. There is oversight and a forum for discussion. Here there didn't seem to be any discussion, just a kneejerk accusation and block based solely on an admin's desire/preference, not policy or guidance. Perhaps I just don't understand too. In any case, If you could explain that one to me I'd appreciate it. If not, could you direct me to where I ''can'' find such information? [[User:IP68.213.169.171|IP68.213.169.171]] ([[User talk:IP68.213.169.171|talk]]) 01:02, 31 January 2009 (UTC) :::Commons isn't Wikipedia - it's not an encyclopedia for one thing. As well, most projects don't have the dogmatic view about "uninvolved" administrators (which is misguided, IMO). I do agree with you about protecting one's talk page, but not because she's "involved". Similarly, Cirt's block was in error (though an understandable one), but that has nothing to do with whether he's "involved" or not. Nevertheless, if you have concerns about administrative actions, there are forums for review. [[commons:COM:AN/U]] is one, as you know. :::Unfortunately, I don't have any specific knowledge about the issues surrounding those portraits. I'd suggest that Durova probably does - you should listen to her even if you don't like what you hear. She'd be among the first people I'd consult on that issue. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:00, 31 January 2009 (UTC) ::::Ok, fair enough, but that's what I tried to ask and, to date, no one's given me an answer that covers my questions. [[User:IP68.213.169.171|IP68.213.169.171]] ([[User talk:IP68.213.169.171|talk]]) 02:57, 31 January 2009 (UTC) == Request usurpation of Arch dude == Here is a conversation from [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Steward_requests/SUL_requests mediawiki]: I established an account on en.wikibooks more than two years ago. I have would like to unify it, but I have forgotten the password, and the associated e-mail account is now dead. I do not know how to determine if en.wikibooks has any bureaucrats. -[[User:Arch dude|Arch dude]] 19:43, 1 February 2009 (UTC) :You find a list of bureaucrats [[b:en:Special:ListUsers/bureaucrat|here]]. --[[User:Thogo|Thogo]] <small>([[User talk:Thogo|talk]])</small> 19:46, 1 February 2009 (UTC) :Link to the request-page: see the interwikilink here on the left screen, best regards, --[[User:Spacebirdy|<span style="color:black">birdy</span> <small style="color:gray">geimfyglið</small>]] [[User talk:Spacebirdy|<sub style="color:teal">(:>&nbsp;)=|</sub>]] 19:47, 1 February 2009 (UTC) ::Thanks for the link to the bureaucrate list. Note that the interwiki link goes to a redlink at wikibooks, which is why I posted here. I will ask one of the bureacrats for help. So here I am. Can you Help? What is the procedure? Thanks. :[[Wikibooks:Reading_room/Administrative_Assistance/Renaming|here ya go]], but we'll need a bit more of the backstory. --[[User:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:32, 1 February 2009 (UTC) 66ncwbwd6virmroexqxh5vfwtvqr23z 3 188390 4654246 1606229 2026-07-12T18:30:42Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654246 wikitext text/x-wiki <[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 25|older]] [[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 27|newer]]> {{Talkarchive}} {{-}} ==Clarification== [[Stewards/elections 2009/Guidelines]] &rarr; please link to your home wiki on your userpage, and link to your account here on your home wiki. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;<b style="color:#309;">[[User:Mike.lifeguard|Mike]].[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|lifeguard]]</b>&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[:b:en:User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">@en.wb</span>]]</sup> 15:24, 2 February 2009 (UTC) :Can you please clarify. Thanks. I am confused by your statement.[[:zh:User:老陳|老陳]] ([[:zh:User talk:老陳|留言]]) 15:33, 2 February 2009 (UTC) To meet the requirements to vote in the steward elections, you must add a link on your userpage here to your userpage on your home wiki, and also add a link on your userpage on your home wiki to your userpage here. Thanks. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;<b style="color:#309;">[[User:Mike.lifeguard|Mike]].[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|lifeguard]]</b>&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[:b:en:User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">@en.wb</span>]]</sup> 18:17, 2 February 2009 (UTC) :Can you tell me how to add a link on my userpage here to my home wiki? I don't see that on your userpage. Is there a help page for doing that? Thanks for the informations! [[:zh:User:老陳|老陳]] ([[:zh:User talk:老陳|留言]])01:11, 3 February 2009 (UTC) == Irish/Lessons == I saw you suggested a merge for [[Irish/Lessons]]. I'm sorry, but this is almost the exact same page as [[Irish/Lesson One]]. It was created by the same contributor on the same date, and there only a minute apart from the two pages' creation dates. -- [[User:Retropunk|Retropunk]] ([[User talk:Retropunk|talk]]) 17:51, 2 February 2009 (UTC) :OK, I didn't check how similar they are. If there's nothing but duplicated content, it'll get deleted shortly. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:15, 2 February 2009 (UTC) == Re: Archiving == Hi Mike, I'm not sure what to say, I physically did not make that edit. I can only assume that this edit was caused by some form of bug within internet explorer 8 (which i have been using for the past few days). To rectify this I have removed all of my javacript and gadget preferences in the hope that it will not happen again. As a precaution i am also changing my password and email address, in case of a stray cookie left on another machine somewhere. How embarrasing. Apologies, [[User:Reece|<span style="color:black"><b>Reece</b></span>]] [[User talk:Reece|<span style="color:green"><small>(Talk)</small></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Reece|<span style="color:green"><small>(Contributions)</small></span>]] 13:08, 4 February 2009 (UTC) :There's no need to go overboard. I thought maybe the bot made a mistake you saw and I didn't or something... &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 14:19, 4 February 2009 (UTC) ::Haha, so maybe my response was a tad over the top... I got strangely panicked when i saw that i'd made an edit that i couldnt remember doing. Hmm.... Perhaps my head needs archiving :p do you know if MiszaBot can do that for me? [[User:Reece|<span style="color:black"><b>Reece</b></span>]] [[User talk:Reece|<span style="color:green"><small>(Talk)</small></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Reece|<span style="color:green"><small>(Contributions)</small></span>]] 23:32, 4 February 2009 (UTC) == [[Subject:Health and Wellness]] == Mike, I added this top-level subject page to cover various health-related topics. I want to move all the medicine books like the first aide stuff to this category instead of being buried in Sciences/Life Sciences/Medicine. You like this idea, or you think it is unnecessary? I won't start moving any books until I get some approval. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 15:47, 4 February 2009 (UTC) :No, I think that's a great idea. The current hodge-podge of misc/medicine categorization is less than ideal - and not just for [[First Aid]]. If you've got the time, re-categorize to your heart's content! &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:31, 4 February 2009 (UTC) :Why "Health and Wellness"? Each subject is suppose to have there own page right? Surely it should be Subject:Health and Subject:Wellness, or if you think they are the same subject, why not have Subject:Wellness redirect to Subject:Health? In any case I think "Subject:X and Y" type pages should be avoided. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 16:18, 7 February 2009 (UTC) ::"Health and wellness" is sortof an interdisciplinary subject combining leisure/recreation studies, physio/occupational therapy, psychosocial therapy, some public health stuff and so on. It's a [http://www.google.com/search?q=%22health%20and%20wellness%22 distinct thing] called "health and wellness" - not two things called "health" and "wellness" (although the word "wellness" does take a specific meaning in that field). Whether Whiteknight knew that or not, it's a good idea. See [http://www.health.alberta.ca/ Alberta Health & Wellness] for example. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:03, 7 February 2009 (UTC) ::: That don't sound like something a layman might look/search for when trying to find health information. I see I am guilty of doing something similar though. Awhile back when I changed [[Wikibooks:Requested books]] to work with Subject pages instead, I used "Health and Fitness". I guess I think people are more likely to type in "Health" and press enter or click go than they are "Health and Wellness". --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 15:41, 8 February 2009 (UTC) ::::Fitness is one aspect of health and wellness; it might be worth combining them and/or adjusting the hierarchy there. As well, there's no reason that [[Subject:Health]], [[Subject:Wellness]] and [[Subject:Fitness]] can't redirect to other pages (or depending on the hierarchy structure, those could be the actual subject pages). &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:53, 8 February 2009 (UTC) ::::Darklama, think more about using [[WB:AS]] to "browse" instead of using [[Special:Search]] to "search". That's the purpose of subject pages, and the name "Health and Wellness" will be perfectly usable in that regard. Plus, as Mike pointed out, it really is the name of the discipline, and having a "Subject:Health" might make some sense by itself but "Subject:Wellness" does not. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 13:15, 16 February 2009 (UTC) ==File:Sancus.png== Is that your preference, or policy? If the latter, please point me to it. I'm buggered if I see a problem in providing detailed context for an image such as that. YM obviously Vd. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 00:47, 5 February 2009 (UTC) :Commons isn't an encyclopedia. Check [[commons:COM:PS]] - it's policy. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:51, 5 February 2009 (UTC) == Picture == Hey, Mike, I writing to let you know that the one picture I have (londonme.jpg), I'm actually trying to delete. The other picture is mine, so I will put in the copyright and everything for it. Thanks for the heads up! - Seuto001 :OK, I'll delete it for you now. Thanks for your attention. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:14, 5 February 2009 (UTC) == your denial of delisting for lyrikline.org == [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ASpam_blacklist&diff=1382528&oldid=1382481] Mike, did you notice that every one of those links added was reasonable and appropriate? In the evidence provided by Hu12, there is one project where the contributions stand, most of them, and that is de, which has whitelisted lyrikline.org, because meta has refused to delist. The user was a de user, and was never blocked there. There is only one project where the use of lyrikline.org links was deliberated, and that was de, and they decided to allow it. The user edited IP on all those other wikis because registering an account on each wiki would be cumbersome; I noticed that the antispam volunteer who filed the original request for blacklisting, en.wiki user MER-C, edited IP to remove a set of links on de. It's normal. This user thought that he or she was, indeed, improving the project, was almost certainly not affiliated with lyrikline.org (there is no sign of affiliation), which is a reputable web site and has an article on de, http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/lyrikline.org. Links were generally removed not because they were inappropriate for the articles, but because linkspam prevention volunteers considered them linkspam. Adding a single link to an article on a poet, to audio recordings of that poet, contributed by the poet, to lyrikline.org, isn't creating a linkfarm! The links were in compliance, all of them that I've seen, with en wiki external link policy. Please reconsider. --[[Special:Contributions/70.17.129.180|70.17.129.180]] ([[User talk:70.17.129.180|talk]]) 04:24, 9 February 2009 (UTC) (This is user Abd from en.wiki and meta.)(This user page was linked from your meta edit.... confusing, Mike.) :It's not confusing. @en.wb fairly clearly means "at English Wikibooks." :The link was being pushed cross-wiki (in what is probably a conflict of interest), so it gets blacklisted. Dewiki can whitelist & monitor as they see fit. Enwiki might want to whitelist and add to XLinkBot if there's consensus to do so. However, Meta's criteria for blacklisting are not about content, it's instead largely about protecting small wikis from being spammed. The large wikis have resources the small don't, which is why the options I mentioned are possible; please go use them. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 14:19, 9 February 2009 (UTC) ==Rolled back again== I rolled back some vandalism to your talk page, then decided to restore it - the vandal helpfully left links to all the rubbish he created. <span style="color:#E66C2C">[[User:QuiteUnusual|'''Unusual? Quite''']]</span> <sup><span style="color:#306754">[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|TalkQu]]</span></sup> 09:05, 10 February 2009 (UTC) :I killed it off again, as it was not in fact useful; the categories he had added were all redlinks anyway. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 22:11, 10 February 2009 (UTC) == Psychology == Psychology already was listed as a social science, I didn't really change that. The biggest thing I did change was to make Neuroscience a "hard" science instead of making it a subset of psychology, which it definitely is not. I've always heard psychology referred to as a "soft" or "social" science, not a "hard" one. I don't mean any condescention with any of these names, it's just what I've always heard these things called. I'll do some research today to see if I can find a good categorization/explanation somewhere. I'm not against making it a child of both [[Subject:Science]] and [[Subject:Social Sciences]] either, but I'm not going to jam extra subjects on there if it's not really warranted. The beauty of the subject pages is that to change the category hierarchy we just need to make a single edit to the page's {{tlx|Subject}} template and everything sorts itself out. Wherever we want [[Subject:Psychology]] to be listed, it's easy enough to make that happen. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 13:20, 16 February 2009 (UTC) :Actually, I do remember that now... You're of course correct that neuroscience is a hard science. Psychology should probably be a subcat of both, as you describe (& I think that'd be the only tweak). &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:27, 16 February 2009 (UTC) == "Book" and "Collection" pages == Mike, do you happen to have a list of all the Collections extension pages that use the word "Book" now? I know you had gone through the list previously to update some stuff. I have some friends down at fr.wikibooks who want to edit all the pages to use the word "Collection" in the interface instead of "Book" like is used now. [[fr:User:Sub]] is most interested in this, maybe you could give him a holler. Thanks! --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 15:21, 17 February 2009 (UTC) :I don't have a list, no... all the system messages start with "Coll" I think, so that makes it a bit easier. Sorry I can't be more help. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:04, 17 February 2009 (UTC) == finding license information for an image == Hey Mike, Hope all is well with you. I haven't seen you around much lately, but I do know that you are my image guru, so I wanted to pass along a quick question from a student in my class. She wants to use [http://cjwriter.com/2008/04/17/the-modern-face-of-racism/ this image] in her Wikibooks entry but is not sure about the licensing. My gut tells me this pic is already licensed by someone who won't want it shared freely, but I wondered if you had any secrets for figuring this out for sure. As always, thanks for all your help, and have a great day! [[User:PbakerODU|PbakerODU]] ([[User talk:PbakerODU|talk]]) 14:45, 19 February 2009 (UTC) :Unless the copyright owner states otherwise (& I don't see that here... though you could of course ask them) then the image is "all rights reserved" - On the other hand, you could maybe make an argument that using it is [[WB:MEDIA|fair use]]. The argument would have to be made though, in line with the Wikibooks policy and US fair use law. For example, if it's for criticism and analysis of ''that image'' (so a replacement won't do) then you might consider looking at that. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:02, 19 February 2009 (UTC) == Meeting == You missed a pretty good meeting on friday, I've got logs somewhere and have to write up a summary of it sometime. It ended up being more international then we had originally intended, lots of people from fr.wikibooks and de.wikibooks. We talked mostly about issues that were common to all language projects, and didn't really discuss too many issues that were specific to en.wikibooks only. Maybe we can hold another similar meeting soon that's going to be en-centric to hash out some of our issues. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 13:29, 23 February 2009 (UTC) :That sounds great. I had some stuff to do with travel pop up, unfortunately, but I will definitely want to be there for any further meetings we can organize. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:22, 23 February 2009 (UTC) == HI!! == Hey there! I didn't know that you had an account here too!! This is cool!--[[User:God&#39;sGirl94|God&#39;sGirl94]] ([[User talk:God&#39;sGirl94|talk]]) 21:26, 4 March 2009 (UTC) :Yep, I have an account on every public Wikimedia wiki. This is my first home wiki though. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:20, 5 March 2009 (UTC) == Dinosaur Comics == Hi Mike, I dunno if you're familiar with [http://www.qwantz.com/ Dinosaur Comics] or not, but [http://www.qwantz.com/archive/001426.html today's episode] was particularly good for anyone familiar with CPR. Thought you might enjoy this, or perhaps find it amusing. Dunno whether I'd incorporate this in a class or not, but it could certainly help someone get the correct rhythm. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 21:36, 11 March 2009 (UTC) :Yeah, I read that fairly regularly. Today's is a gem - I'll definitely save that for the next class I teach. Thanks a bunch &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:48, 11 March 2009 (UTC) == Difference in page layout with/without login == Hi, I'm not sure whether I should be asking this question here. Please let me know the right place otherwise. I have observed that the layout of the front page of [[More C%2B%2B Idioms]] is different when I login from when I don't. When I login, the preface is expanded in the front page (the image is shown). Otherwise, it simply shows a link to the preface. How can I fix this without replicating the preface in two places? Thanks for any help you might provide. [[User:Sutambe|Sutambe]] ([[User talk:Sutambe|talk]]) 05:14, 18 March 2009 (UTC) :That's just the difference between the current version (what all registered users see) and the last stable version (what unregistered users see, if possible). To "fix" that, the newer revisions need to be reviewed by [[Special:Listusers/editor|someone]]. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 13:01, 18 March 2009 (UTC) ::Done. Preface needed some grammar tweaks, and that was about it... at least for that page. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 18:39, 18 March 2009 (UTC) ==Redirect and Delete tags== Must I place a delete request tag on a page after redirecting it? [[User:Moby-Dick4000|Moby-Dick4000]] ([[User talk:Moby-Dick4000|talk]]) 01:04, 25 March 2009 (UTC) :If you want to, sure. I don't see any huge need to delete it though. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:18, 25 March 2009 (UTC) ==Reflist coding== I've noticed the reflist coding isn't working right on the print version of the cookbook. For instance the reflist on my recipe, [[cookbook:Red paella, made with chicken and seafood]] (recipe number 142) is displaying references from [[Cookbook:Ratatouille]] (recipe number 138) even though the reflist command is working correctly in the recipe's module. Why is this and how do I correct it? [[User:Moby-Dick4000|Moby-Dick4000]] ([[User talk:Moby-Dick4000|talk]]) 20:45, 27 March 2009 (UTC) :I'm not sure what print version you're talking about - can you provide a link? &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:39, 28 March 2009 (UTC) :OK, found it. Looks like that's because there's no differentiation in the anchors. Since your browser goes to the first anchor it finds by that name, you end up linking to the wrong recipe. That could be worth reporting to [[mediazilla:|Bugzilla]]. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:41, 28 March 2009 (UTC) == Blocked me! == Why was I Blocked for trying to revert the string of vandalism I just found when looking at recent changes!? I was trying to help and I created an account specially just to do that! It pretty insulting! Check my edits I was just trying to get rid of that blokes edits in a hurry and also check my Wikipedia user page [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Climax_Void User: Climax Void] and ask if its the same person, I've never vandalized a single page once while I I've been there --'''[[User:Climax Void|<span style="color:red">Climax</span>]] [[User talk:Climax Void|<span style="color:gold">Void</span>]]''' [[Special:Contributions/Climax Void|<font size="3"><span style="color:red">☭</span></span>]]. ------------ All done... --'''[[User:Climax Void|<span style="color:red">Climax</span>]] [[User talk:Climax Void|<span style="color:gold">Void</span>]]''' [[Special:Contributions/Climax Void|<font size="3"><span style="color:red">☭</span></span>]]. ----------- That's fine --'''[[User:Climax Void|<span style="color:red">Climax</span>]] [[User talk:Climax Void|<span style="color:gold">Void</span>]]''' [[Special:Contributions/Climax Void|<font size="3"><span style="color:red">☭</span></span>]]. 5t1wewvloqpavhjrihx2qgn0u6pejx4 3 199545 4654212 1678063 2026-07-12T18:06:23Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654212 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talkarchive|http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/User_talk:Adrignola}} == Re: Categories == Hello Adrignola, I'm sorry that I haven't replied sooner. I want to say first that your efforts to get books organized is quite exemplary, thanks! I wrote a little [http://wikibooks.blogspot.com/2009/04/categorization-continues.html blog post] to showcase some of your work and also to explain why the category system here has become so messy over time. A problem with categories is that there is no unified plan: A lot of people are just making and organizing categories in an ad hoc way, and the lack of planning really starts to show after a while. [[User:Whiteknight/Wikibooks Categories|The planning work]] that I had done in my user space was an attempt to introduce a roadmap of sorts to future efforts, but obviously that effort never took off. I didn't even get a complete plan written down before I abandoned it myself. If you find anything of value on that page, you are welcome to use it yourself for any purpose. Following the organization structure of the [[WB:AS|subject pages]] is a reasonable idea, but then again those pages were put together in the same ad hoc way that categories were: A lot of it was according to my whims as I was doing it, and so that structure isn't completely sane either. My suggestion is that you can follow it so long as it makes sense, and don't follow it when I've obviously done something stupid (it happens!). I'm very happy to help you out too, just let me know what help you need and I'll take to it. Also, never hesitate to ask if you have any questions. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 13:04, 28 April 2009 (UTC) :I think there should be consistency between subjects and categories but there are also some important differences: subjects use one particular way of categorization (in the case of language books by continent) but categories can include several ways of categorization (e.g. by difficulty for native English speakers: [[:Category:Languages by category]]). Also, not all categories need to appear in the subject pages (e.g. [[:Category:Soundbite requests]], [[:Category:Languages textbook pages]]). Thus, while there should be consistency, hierarchies of categories and subjects should not be identical . --[[User:Martin Kraus|Martin Kraus]] ([[User talk:Martin Kraus|talk]]) 09:40, 1 May 2009 (UTC) :: I am focusing primarily on matching categories to subjects and not the other way around. Soundbite requests and Languages by category won't be showing up in [[Subject:Languages]], I agree. Not every language has been marked as level one, two, or three, anyway, so that would be a poor choice to have show up in the subject hierarchy. Soundbite requests is a maintenance category, so it also won't be showing up in the subjects. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 14:14, 1 May 2009 (UTC) == A small hint == Hey Adrignola. First, great job with categorization. It seems every time I check Recent Changes, you've categorized another dozen pages! Also, I appreciate your responses to my post in the Reading Room. Anyway, I wanted to let you know that there is a template, {{tlx|BookCat}}, that automatically adds the book to the appropriate Book Category. It can be used on the main page of a book, or any of its subpages. Furthermore, you can add it to a template. For example, see what I've done to [[1 Corinthians]]. Every page contains a navigation box at the bottom. This is {{tlx|1 Corinthians Navigation}}. I simply place {{tlx|BookCat}} into this template, and now every page in 1 Corinthians is automatically added to [[:Category:1 Corinthians]] (assuming it includes the navigation template). The reason BookCat is <tt>&lt;includeonly&gt;</tt> is because the template itself is not within a book, and the reason the actual category link is <tt>&lt;noinclude&gt;</tt> is because BookCat does a better job (see how the main page is separate from the rest in the category listing). Most books don't have a common template like this, but many do. It might make life a little easier if you can exploit that technique. -- <span style="color:#000090">[[User:NipplesMeCool|Mr.&nbsp;'''NMC''']]</span> (<span style="color:#000090">[[User talk:NipplesMeCool|talk]]</span>) 23:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC) : Yeah, that's fine the way you use it. I just wanted to let you know, in case you come across a situation it can be used. -- <span style="color:#000090">[[User:NipplesMeCool|Mr.&nbsp;'''NMC''']]</span> (<span style="color:#000090">[[User talk:NipplesMeCool|talk]]</span>) 00:16, 29 April 2009 (UTC) : I would like to add that there are several categories to include book categories, in particular {{bad link|Category:Computing textbook pages}}, {{bad link|Category:Engineering textbook pages}}, {{bad link|Category:Languages textbook pages}}, {{bad link|Category:Science textbook pages}}, etc. All book categories should be in one of these categories (and no other). (At least that's the way I understand the scheme.) --[[User:Martin Kraus|Martin Kraus]] ([[User talk:Martin Kraus|talk]]) 09:44, 1 May 2009 (UTC) : I just realized that you are systematically including book categories in other categories, could you please undo these changes and discuss them first? Thanks. --[[User:Martin Kraus|Martin Kraus]] ([[User talk:Martin Kraus|talk]]) 09:51, 1 May 2009 (UTC) == [[Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book]] == Hi Adrignola, Thanks for adding the Dewey/LOC cats to [[Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book]]. That project has been a major part of my life for the past 3.5 years. I would have added it long ago, but I could not decide how it would be classified. I guess 000 is general works (such as encyclopedias?) - I guess that fits. For a while I had considered breaking this into nine books instead of having it as one - that would have made it easier to classify. It's just nice to have someone "be bold" like that. Thanks again. I've also noticed that you have done a lot of other categorization work. I was especially pleased that you added a few of my transcluded modules to my transcluded category. From that I can tell you are really digging into things before making changes. That too is very much appreciated. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 01:30, 1 May 2009 (UTC) :I saw those pages that I added to the transcluded modules when I first started trawling the uncategorized pages listing. It was then that I realized I would have a hard time figuring out where to categorize books without a bit more order to the current system. One thing led to another, so now I'm trying to do what you see in the paragraph above your comment. You've made an impressive number of pages in your book. It certainly reflects the time you've spent on it. Given the classification under religious organization, {{tlx|DDC|200}} or {{tlx|LOC|B}} may also be possibilities. The important thing is that it shows up somewhere for people browsing via any method. Take care. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 02:12, 1 May 2009 (UTC) == University level mathematics, a better way? == Is there some other way math books could be categorized? All mathematic books could likely be considered university level because at what point in a person's education subjects are taught can depend on the school and where you are in the world. Also unless someone has gone to public schools or a university they may not know which category to look for a book in using this approach. A similar problem was [[Wikibooks talk:Reading Levels|previously discussion]] and subsequent [{{fullurl:Wikibooks:Reading Levels|diff=1162055&oldid=1147197}} change] made to [[Wikibooks:Reading Levels]] because of this issue. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 16:44, 2 May 2009 (UTC) : Probably? I was just following the subjects that were already there. The items in University level mathematics were already targetted for University Level Mathematics. I was just changing case. I don't know enough about math to classify them under, say Calculus or Geometry, etc. Maybe Jomegat could help with that and then [[:Category:University level mathematics]] and {{bad link|Subject:University level mathematics}} can be deleted. It is a bad category to have, I agree, but I'm not in a good position knowledge-wise about math to fix it. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 16:48, 2 May 2009 (UTC) : I'll see what I can do for the ones that are more obvious, to empty out that category. I do indeed like to not have redundant categories. I was too focused on actually creating a category to go with the subject without looking at the bigger picture. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 16:55, 2 May 2009 (UTC) :: I sometimes use Wikipedia to quickly read up on a subject I don't know anything about, to help me figure out ways to improve categorization. If something doesn't make sense to you, by all means don't follow it. Sometimes its not a category that needs updating but subject pages or books, because people do make improvements to categories while not making the same improvements to subject pages or books. Being focused isn't necessary a bad thing. I appreciated the work you've been putting into improving the category system. I hope realizing there is a bigger picture won't cause you to slow down any, but will rather help you to see new possibilities. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 17:38, 2 May 2009 (UTC) ::: Wikipedia's a good suggestion. Looking at the big picture I do see more possible redundancies. If University level mathematics is no good, [[Subject:Introductory Mathematics]] might be for the same reason. Also, I'm curious about the differences between [[Subject:Mathematical analysis]] and [[Subject:Calculus and analysis]]. However, Whiteknight did write way above that he made these off the top of his head and they may need to be changed. I do think I'll go back to working on Computing and save Mathematics for last since it will be the most difficult. I'm thinking [[Subject:Programming language]] and its contents will need to be filed under [[Subject:Compiled languages]] to differentiate the content from [[Subject:Scripting languages]] and a possible Subject to match with [[:Category:Markup languages]], all at the same level under [[Subject:Programming]]. I still haven't fully sorted everything under Computing either. So that's my plan of attack for later today. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 18:05, 2 May 2009 (UTC) :::: Programming is an area I know something about. I don't really care for the current approach to categorization for some things, but at the same time I'm not always sure what can be done to improve it. There are languages that can be interpreted and compiled for instance. Programming languages may need to be treated similar to how [[:Category:Languages]] needs to be treated, by using a lot of intermediate categories so people can find what they are looking for by following many different paths. Like maybe "Programming languages by family" and "Programming languages by paradigm". --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 19:40, 2 May 2009 (UTC) == Programming languages by paradigm == Can't be correctly implemented since several languages do cover several paradigms (some don't). Simple examples C evolved from an imperative programming language model but today it supports objects. C++ is by definition a multiparadigm language so to be rightly classified it would have to be present in most categories even as a functional programming language. Going that way will be painfully hard.<br> I'm not stating my opposition to any of the changes. Since your opinion is as valid as mine and we still haven't got a community shared vision on the issue, I do consider the changes in the scale you are going a bit premature (a better way to go about it is to get the community backing for a static proposal/system, since the visions are too diverse).<br> I confess I don't particularly like or agree with some of the changes, but if you can manage to commit to maintain and work on some better model that the chaos it is today, you will have all my support even if I don't appreciate all the changes.<br>Good luck to you on this endeavor... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 04:54, 3 May 2009 (UTC) == [[:Category:WMOG plant finder categories]] == You said that you think this category and its subcategories were never used in its speedy deletion. However when I checked yesterday they were used. I think you must of made some changes since than, perhaps to some templates that caused those categories to suddenly become empty. A quick look suggests [[Template:Horticat (add "y" where applicable)]] and [[Template:Horticat-topic (add "y" where applicable)]] are at least two of the templates you changed that might be responsible for it. I also notice you renamed a few of the category more general categories rather than in as Category:Horticulture/subcategory. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 11:59, 16 May 2009 (UTC) :You're probably right about that. I forgot I changed those two templates along with the example, profile, and box templates. I'm not entirely sure what you mean by the "category more general categories", but I think you are talking about ones link "Soil-related topics". That and others that are sentence-case (which do in fact conflict with the standard we've been following for subject categories) were already created and I wasn't sure I wanted to endeavor to reclassify all the pages into ones of the form "Horticulture/Subcategory". I will remedy this, then, so as to not leave a job unfinished. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 15:22, 16 May 2009 (UTC) :: I meant that a few of the categories you had changed went from Category:WMOG/Subcategory to Category:Some_other_page, while most categories you had changed to Category:Horticulture/subcategory, and yes I meant categories like "Soil-related topics". --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 20:06, 16 May 2009 (UTC) == Muggles' Guide to Harry Potter == Yeah, I'm going to ask you to back out that change to the categories. The purpose of the category, I believe, is to have a common place to keep everything related to a book (or a subject &mdash; though in the case of the subject it's enough to have the landing page there, and everything else in the book can go off that one landing page). The fact that there are 900 pages in the category is a good thing, in my not-so-humble opinion. Additionally, if all the pages are in the one category, you can see any changes to the book by going to the category page and looking for changes on anything in the category. On tabs and titles, that seems like a useful innovation; we can try that, though I don't know how the PDF tool will handle it. It will, of course, have to be done to all 199 chapter pages... but perhaps we can try it on PS first, and take a look at that before we go hog-wild. As far as the PDF tool goes, like so much else on any Wiki, it is maintained by volunteers, and as such maintenance can be sketchy. The fact that it doesn't handle relative links is a minor issue, apparently, as it can be worked around, and so a fix for that is low-priority. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 15:44, 16 May 2009 (UTC) :On the categories, I think I'm going to have to argue with you a bit. Right now, the page [[Muggles' Guide to Harry Potter/Books/Chamber of Secrets]] is in the category "Muggles' Guide to Harry Potter/Books". If you go to the category page for "Muggles' Guide to Harry Potter", it is not in the pages listed as being in that category; rather, it shows up as one of the pages in a related category, "Muggles' Guide to Harry Potter/Books". If you expand that category, you can see the books, but not the chapters within the books; to see the chapters, you have to go to the Books subpage, and then expand the related category Chamber of Secrets. If you really want to go in that direction, it is possible, and may be useful; but I would strongly suggest retaining the base category, as <nowiki>[[Category: Muggles' Guide to Harry Potter/Books/Chamber of Secrets]][[Category:Muggles' Guide to Harry Potter]]</nowiki>. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 16:56, 16 May 2009 (UTC) ::Perhaps I'm reading things too fast... I usually do. My apologies. ::On the <nowiki>{{Displaytitle}}</nowiki> thing, I have never run the tool myself; it's [[User:withinfocus]] who has always done that. I believe that quite possibly the best course is to add the template to the one book, and then PDF just that. I'll check with withinfocus to see if he wants to try the PDF thing, or whether he can give me instructions. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 18:24, 16 May 2009 (UTC) ::Just to let you know: The first step in creation of PDF is to convert to LaTeX, which is done with Hagindaz' [[User:Hagindaz/Wiki2LaTeX|Wiki2LaTeX]]. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 18:34, 16 May 2009 (UTC) '''FYI''' displaytitle relys on javascript, so unless the tool parses javascript, displaytitle should have zero effect. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 20:02, 16 May 2009 (UTC) : I suspected that might be the case, but it's good to have confirmation. I don't see a PDF linked to from the book's main title page, so I may let the tools I downloaded continue to work to try to make a PDF file just for the heck of it anyway. Thanks for the tip! -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 20:17, 16 May 2009 (UTC) ::Not to say displaytitle should be removed; but we might want to leave the Title heading and chapter title so that it appears at printout time. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 22:18, 16 May 2009 (UTC) :::We can leave it like that for the moment... withinfocus is a little busy of late, so it may be a while before he can get back to give that a try. And he's been at this a lot longer than I have, so I sort of tend to defer to him... [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 07:30, 17 May 2009 (UTC) == Interested in Promotion? == Hello Adrignola, how are you? I've been watching your contributions and you're doing a great job cleaning up the messes we've created over the years. I'd like to nominate you for +Rollbacker, as a precursor for an eventual nomination to become an admin. You interested? --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 17:03, 17 May 2009 (UTC) : I'd be happy to accept the nomination. I do gain pleasure in straightening things out. I'm a very neat person in my everyday life, so these changes are a natural extension of myself. Thank you for the compliment. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 17:10, 17 May 2009 (UTC) == [[WB:RFP]] == I've added you to the [[WB:ROLLBACK|rollback]] and [[Help:Revision review|editor]] user groups. If you need help figuring out how to use the tools, feel free to let me know and I'll be happy to help. You've done great work on Wikibooks so far, and I hope you'll continue for quite some time. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:40, 18 May 2009 (UTC) :Thanks. I will look those pages over carefully before actually using the tools. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 01:46, 18 May 2009 (UTC) == [[:Category:US law]] == My opinion is that it should be US Law and it would be cool to be a subcategory of Law... (Only pointing you this since you were working on the categories and subjects.) --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 03:33, 19 May 2009 (UTC) : Well, the subject categories have been getting standardized to sentence-case to avoid conflicts with books of the same name, like [[:Category:First aid]] (subject category) and [[:Category:First Aid]] (book category), to name one that comes to mind. If you put aside the name case, it does appear that [[:Category:US law]] actually is already a subcategory of [[:Category:Law]], unless I'm missing something? The subjects also appear to match that same structure, with Law being a parent of US law. I haven't had a chance to go over the Social sciences tree yet, so that whole area is probably disorganized currently. I hope I've addressed any concerns you have. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 03:41, 19 May 2009 (UTC) ::My opinion on the name collision is that books should avoid generalist titles like US Law or Law in this case, a book per definition shouldn't overcrowd a generalist namespace like First Aid, but I see your point and I don't think that the solution to accommodate the issue is the best one. I disagree with having a book named only "The US Law", as it is, is just as bad. ::The issue here is that the books names should be addressed/fixed, so that other works on the same fields can be created and read on a even plain field, keeping the practice will probably centralize people in the more general titles, this was an issue with the Programming:<language> books (and other) titles that was a reason for the last change. This to me is the same issue. ::As for the structure, I haven't examined it, just noticed US law and Law and didn't particularly like it, since you were working on this subject I refrained messing things. ::In any case I still dislike the standardization to sentence-case to avoid conflicts with books, since it looks funny and is just as scheme to avoid the real issue. ::The other and also related thing I have an opinion regarding categories is the use of plurals in some topic it seems fine but a standardization on the singular would be best. For instance Art, Architecture and Law could all be pluralized. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 04:38, 19 May 2009 (UTC) :::Books starting with "A", "An", or "The" don't sort well, so I would agree that "The US Law" is bad. Plus, there's more than one law in the US. The category and subject Art were both renamed to Fine arts a bit ago, so that is now plural. I've not heard "Architectures" used and "Law" would be better to cover the entire legal field as compared to "Laws" which could be interpreted as the legislative items. Most of the categories do work well pluralized. (I'm not sure where you stand on that, as you wrote "singular would be best", but then added "...could be pluralized". I certainly agree that specific titles are a good way to avoid confusion, especially for those that don't pay attention to small details like whether that second word is capitalized or not. The many C++ books do a good job of that. :::Sentence-case, title-case, singular, plural. Unfortunately, like many hot-button issues of the day, there's only one side or the other. I have been leaning toward the style Wikipedia uses for its categories, namely, sentence case and plural, when it makes sense. I've noticed Darklama follows this pattern, which is good, in that we don't work against each other. Since books are usually given a title in title case, following Wikipedia's lead in that respect avoids conflicts, though it may indeed look funny. Truth is, we could go one way or the other on title/sentence case and singular/plural and no matter what somebody would not be entirely satisfied. There's a cleanup tag on [[Subject:Major_Subjects|the top-level subject]] to this day. I read over the [[Subject_talk:Major_Subjects|discussions]] on title versus sentence case on the top-level subject page before I started working on things to try to decide which way to go. They didn't seem to reach a consensus there on the issue. I had to make a decision at that point how to proceed, otherwise I could not proceed. My bottom line is, at least, a goal of consistency. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 05:15, 19 May 2009 (UTC) I agree that books should use better names rather then generic titles, but we have to deal with what the situation is rather than what the ideals are. Panic if you would like to see that change, you could create and propose a new policym or create an unstable branch of the naming policy, that tries to address this concern. I would likely support a policy that required books (and even chapters) to use more descriptive names, but until then using casing and plurals to differentiate subjects from books is as good a method as any. As for "US law" I would like to see that expanded to "United states laws" or "Laws of the united states". One of my things has been an attempt to reduce the use of abbreviations and acronyms as well, not everyone may be familiar with abbreviations and acronyms used and Wikibooks should strive to be as geographically/location-neutral and age-neutral as possible with categories. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 08:30, 19 May 2009 (UTC) "US law" may not be the best example of this problem, but "US" could also refer to [[w:Union State|Union State]] according to [[w:US (disambiguation)|US (disambiguation)]]. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 08:49, 19 May 2009 (UTC) == [[Template:Copyvio]] == Please don't subst that template & others like it. The ones that need to be substed have that noted on them: [[Template:nld]] for example. Thanks. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:20, 19 May 2009 (UTC) == "Broken" noinclude tag == I saw your [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?diff=1505708&oldid=1327179&rcid=1510471 edit to my header template]. It probably is a good idea to move some of my ugly HTML to XHTML. However, the noinclude tags were not broken: They were setup that way intentionally. The templates are not designed to be transcluded like normal templates, they're supposed to be substituted in order to create other templates. Here's a quick rundown: # The [[User:Whiteknight/Simple Header]] template is substituted at Template:Foo/Page. The <nowiki><includeonly></nowiki> tags disappear, leaving the complete <nowiki><noinclude></nowiki> tags in Template:Foo/Page. # Template:Foo/Page is transcluded into the pages in the book, and the stuff in the <nowiki><noinclude></nowiki> tags is not displayed on the book pages. So it's complicated and very ugly, but intentional. I have a few other templates in my namespace that use this same trick (or trices that are even worse!) to do some fancy-schmance stuff. I'll fix up the weird tags, but I'll try to keep your XHTML fixes in place. Thanks! --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 01:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC) :That's actually pretty neat trick and I don't ever recall seeing documentation on it before. I learn something new every day! -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 01:57, 23 May 2009 (UTC) :Of course I've just gone and [{{fullurl:User:Whiteknight:Simple_Header|diff=1505959&oldid=1505733}} improved the trick] so it doesn't expose itself when looking at the head template. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 15:51, 23 May 2009 (UTC) == [[w:Fine arts|Fine arts]] == The wikipedia article says this type of art is often expressed in the production of art objects using '''visual''' and '''performing art''' forms, including ''painting'', ''sculpture'', ''music'', ''dance'', ''theatre'', ''architecture'', ''photography'' and ''printmaking''. Schools, institutes, and other organizations still use the term to indicate a traditional perspective on the art forms, often implying an association with classic or academic art. I figured the best option is to keep visual and performing arts under fine arts, but have fine arts be under humanities, since the arts are considered to be a field of humanities. This should also keep the humanities category from growing too big. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 15:17, 25 May 2009 (UTC) : Okay, I see where you're going with that. I'll work toward that end goal and straighten this all out. It would end up with Fine arts having two children of visual arts and performing arts, performing arts having music, singing, and dance, and visual arts including the others. I had been working based on [[w:Humanities|Humanities]] on Wikipedia. Guess they should consult each other when writing their articles. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 15:24, 25 May 2009 (UTC) :: This also benefits us in that general art topics or arts that mix visual and performing arts have a place to go, other than in humanities. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 15:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC) ::: Indeed. You do a great job of double-checking my work and correcting any mistakes I make. Glad you've "got my back" so to speak. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 15:41, 25 May 2009 (UTC) == [[:Category:Education]] == Seems like your having some trouble deciding how best to categorize books under there. Like with study guides, all books are educational if you really think about it. The education category should probably have a very limited scope. Like for books about: * Learning or teaching methods/approaches that aren't subject specific, * Educational institutes (colleges, universities, etc), * Financial aid programs (grants, tuitions, etc), and * School life Categories like "Tertiary education" should IMO be avoided due to being dependent on location. If there are ever enough books, I would suggest breaking things down by country instead like "education in the united states", "schools of the united states", "financial aids programs in the united states", etc. How does that sound to you? --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 21:17, 28 May 2009 (UTC) : Bullet one will be Education theory, then. Bullet two would be Educational institutions. Bullet three would be Financial aid. Bullet four would be School life. You're right about the study guides and books being educational. I keep getting stuck in the existing subjects instead of "being bold". I'll work to reduce the redundancy to books that are about education, rather than ones that simply educate. I might have to move some of them back into Education temporarily to keep track of them, just to let you know. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 21:25, 28 May 2009 (UTC) :I'm having a hard time differentiating between Education theory , Education Psychology, and Teaching and instruction. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 23:15, 28 May 2009 (UTC) : After reading up on education theory and education psychology on Wikipedia, I think education theory is broader subject area that includes education psychology and other subject areas. Education psychology seems to be concerned with the study of how students learn. I guess you could say its also like the difference between theory and psychology. Theories are based on any/general observations, and Psychology is about observation of human behavior, which is a more specific type of observation. Teaching and instruction is likely more about doing rather then understanding the whys and hows, or if you will, applying what education theory and education psychology teaches, turning theory into practice. Does that sound right to you? --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 00:24, 29 May 2009 (UTC) :: It does. Thanks for taking the time to look into that. I'll have to make sure books in those categories match up with their subjects. On a brighter note, I've eliminated several categories and Education is already looking a lot less crowded. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 00:34, 29 May 2009 (UTC) ::: Education being less crowded is good to hear. Looks like [[w:Instructional design]], [[w:Instructional theory]], [[w:Learning theory]] or [[w:Teacher education]] might be the actual name for "teaching and instruction". --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 17:21, 29 May 2009 (UTC) :::: I'm liking "Instructional theory" because [[Subject:Education theory]] would be better named "Learning theory" based on the content of the books in it. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 18:52, 29 May 2009 (UTC) ::::: Your right it does look a bit backwards. "Learning theory" and "instructional theory" I guess are both subfields of "Education theory". --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 18:59, 29 May 2009 (UTC) 83hh5crggnjo11ua62ik2yhe7b9akhz 3 199546 4654213 3474285 2026-07-12T18:06:29Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654213 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talkarchive|http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/User_talk:Adrignola}} == Programming categories == I think we should use "X programming language" for the category names to reduce ambiguity. Take python, ruby, cocoa, and java as examples. Python is also the name of a snake. Ruby is also the name of gemstone,, cocoa is also the name of a drink or the seed extract of the cocoa bean, and java is a type of coffee. Oh also why have you decided to abandon the paradigm approach? --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 11:50, 3 June 2009 (UTC) :: On paradigms, I'm seeing what Panic stated a while back: <blockquote>"Can't be correctly implemented since several languages do cover several paradigms (some don't). Simple examples C evolved from an imperative programming language model but today it supports objects. C++ is by definition a multiparadigm language so to be rightly classified it would have to be present in most categories even as a functional programming language. Going that way will be painfully hard.".</blockquote> The languages, from what I've seen, have evolved from one type to another, and so seeing their presence under one paradigm you'd have to wonder "at what time in the lifespan of the language does this apply?". Also, since most are multiparadigm, you end up with the multiparadigm category having nearly as many subcategories as [[:Category:Programming languages by family]] has right now. In addition, categorizing them will be difficult, as Wikipedia does not have consistency. [[w:List of programming languages by category]] doesn't often match what the pages for the individual programming languages say, making it hard to determine which is correct. And most people looking for a book will have a specific language in mind, the way I look at it. I do believe your other idea on categorizing by operating system would be more useful to those newer programmers and it would be less ambiguous as well, if anything other than families is implemented at all. If you were really set on paradigms, I could reverse that, but the above constitutes the line of thinking I've been on since the idea was first proposed. :: I can recategorize the books into X programming languages later today. I was just matching the existing subcategories for families for consistency, but I can go the other way because you make a good argument. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 12:54, 3 June 2009 (UTC) ::: By operating system would have similar problems, but I do think there needs to be ways to compare languages to help new users make an informed decision when deciding what programming language(s) to learn without having to do a lot of research first. By operating system would be more friendly for new users than paradigms. By family was really intended to identify languages with a common ancestry. Like there are many variants of the Basic programming language that share a common history despite being widely different from each other. There are also variants of Lisp. Each architecture has its own assembly language but tend to share some common history as well. OTOH languages like C, C++, and Java while having similar grammar aren't really part of the same language family. Looking at [[w:Comparison of programming languages]], I'm thinking maybe "by operating system", "by intended use" and "by standards" could be useful to a general audience in addition to "by family" which is likely more useful for an intermediate or advanced audience. So if you plan to substitute "by paradigm" with something else I can accept its deletion, just keep in mind the alternatives may not be any better or worse then it. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 14:45, 3 June 2009 (UTC) == Are you sure speedy-delete is the right thing? == I'm not a regular anymore, but won't deleting a page turn all the links to the ACT-test page into red-links and someone will have to manually fix all the broken links? Isn't a merge-tag better suited? I don't have any experience with wikibooks, but just wanted to comment since i'm one of the few who contribute to the content geared for high schoolers. I just don't want anybody to be unaware that the page is moved, since it will come up as having been deleted. Doesn't [[move]] and [[redirect]] work better for this? [[Special:Contributions/70.185.120.125|70.185.120.125]] ([[User talk:70.185.120.125|talk]]) 04:21, 5 June 2009 (UTC) : I nominated [[:Category:ACT]] for deletion because I filed the books in [[:Category:ACT test]]. The [[ACT]] book was moved to [[ACT Study Guide]] and so won't need it for a book category and no pages link to the category of the same name. No pages link to [[Subject:ACT]] either. Unless you're talking about something else. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 04:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC) == BookCat == I've noticed that you use <nowiki>[[Category:{{FULLBOOKNAME}}|{{FULLCHAPTERNAME}}]]</nowiki> rather than {{tlx|BookCat}}. Any particular reason? --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 14:03, 5 June 2009 (UTC) : You're not the first person to ask that. BookCat evaluates whether it's placed on a subpage or not to determine what code is used to categorize. Since the main book page is automatically put in the book's category when {{tlx|Subjects}} is used, BookCat should never be used in a situation where it's on the main book page. I know they have that additional code in there just in case, but I feel there's no need to involve parser functions on the page when I can just paste in the code that BookCat would evaluate to anyways and save some processing when the page is viewed. {{tlx|BookCat}} is only linked to from [[Using Wikibooks/Cleanup and Maintenance]] and it says <blockquote>"If you do not know what book category to use, or how to use it, tag every page in the book with {{tlxs|BookCat}}. This will automatically add the book pages to the proper categories."</blockquote> It's commonly transcluded and not substituted. But, if I follow guidelines and substitute it, I'll have all the code in the template put on the page. As I said above, it has more than is needed when I'm aware of the page I'm working on, so pasting in <nowiki>[[Category:{{FULLBOOKNAME}}|{{FULLCHAPTERNAME}}]] </nowiki> also saves length as compared to the documented method of using it via substitution. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 14:16, 5 June 2009 (UTC) :: That's very helpful perspective; thanks. The suggestion from Whiteknight to use subst with BookCat is certainly based on a different set of priorities from mine; one of the things I always liked about BookCat is that it simplifies administrative code on content pages, which is only true if it's transcluded. Of course, I actually don't use it directly in the book I mainly contribute to, because I've built it into the [[Template:Navlist/Doc|Navlist]] /Top and /Bottom templates &mdash; but then again, the Navlist templates are themselves a pretty spectacular exercise in preferring intensive transclusion over visible content-page complexity. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 15:16, 5 June 2009 (UTC) == Help == My partner (Secondguess) and I have gone through several revisions of a section. Can you see if my new one makes sense, and maybe grammar check the book? [[Unlingvae|Unlingv&auml;]] [[Unlingvae/Lesson 1.1#Syllables|Li Alfibeti/Syllables]]--[[User:Finaloffer|Finaloffer]] ([[User talk:Finaloffer|talk]]) 23:07, 5 June 2009 (UTC) : Sure thing. I'll look it over and make changes as needed. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 00:39, 6 June 2009 (UTC) == [[:Category:Effective Student Organization]] == Thanks for creating Category:Effective Student Organization for our course project book. Any ideas of higher order categories it may fit within? --[[User:Paul James|Paul James]] ([[User talk:Paul James|talk]]) 18:06, 6 June 2009 (UTC) : You are quite welcome. I'm doing quite a bit of categorizing lately. Both your book's main page and the category of the same name are filed in [[:Category:School life]], which is a category in [[:Category:Education]], which is a category in [[:Category:Social sciences]], which is a category in [[:Category:Books by subject]]. Rather than filing a book at every level of the hierarchy, books have been filed at the lowest level possible given their subject matter. :It sounds and appears that your book is a class project, so I'll also put it in [[:Category:Class projects]], which is a category in [[:Category:Standard curricula]], which is a category in [[:Category:Books by subject]]. I hadn't done so at first because you are doing well in designing the book to be accessible to a general audience as opposed to students at any particular school. I've only categorized a few other class projects in areas other than class projects for that very reason, so you should take pride in your work. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 18:14, 6 June 2009 (UTC) == Cats == Great work and a huge patience... Some requests for consideration: *Simplify Computer programming (and others like Console game programming into the same category Programming). *Simplify Computer software as Software (move open source as a sub-category there). *Simplify Computer science and Computer engineering as Computing (this can be tricky but will simplify overall categorization without a specific loss of metadata information, I understand that it attempts to classify some areas as scientific but the classification is not as exact when dealing in computation). *I miss the Programming category, for instance "Algorithms and data structure" or "Software reverse engineering" would best fit there. The clean/small title and specific languages categories is also very much missed. (in a Programming languages as a subcategory). --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 19:35, 6 June 2009 (UTC) : Well, the move towards longer category titles makes it so that two-word category titles that are sentence case will avoid conflicts with two-word books that are title case. Merging Computer science and Computer engineering in Computing would be problematic. Right now Computing is a top-level category, so that would cause it to become very large with all the books currently in those two categories. That move would have to be part of a larger reorganization to be successful. You can find programming language categories in [[:Category:Programming languages by family]]. And the longer names in there were created because things like Cocoa, Java, and Ruby, can reference things other than programming languages. : As for Programming, [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Category%3AProgramming&diff=1503675&oldid=1496111 this revision] of it should prove that it was actually Darklama who initiated the move to [[:Category:Computer programming]] and [[:Category:Computer engineering]]. I just followed through to make that happen. Darklama's area of expertise is computer science/programming and has made several changes under Computing. Even if Programming would be better than Computer programming, it'd be contrary to the direction Darklama wanted to go in and things work more smoothly when we work together. : I am certainly open to suggestions and do not intend for anyone to think the current organization is firm, but since Darklama has played such a key role in shaping how Computing looks today, he needs to be brought in on this discussion before any massive changes can be made. I see from both your user pages that you are both interested in computer science/programming, so I think discussions would more fruitful involving you two primarily. I'll leave him a note asking for input on your ideas, so stay tuned. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 20:03, 6 June 2009 (UTC) : Actually Whiteknight first started Computer Engineering in 2006, I merely moved it to a lowercase name to be consistent with other subject categories. I don't think the categories should be simplified. First the longer names can reduce the possibility of conflicting with book titles. Second if people do a search using "computer" they can find the engineering, programming, software, etc. categories with the longer names, but not with the shorter names. Third computer science and computer engineering shouldn't be merged into computing because there distinctly separate fields. Fourth if you look at [[:Category:Computing]] you can see that computer science, computer programming and computer software are already listed as related categories so there is no need to merge the categories. Software reverse engineering right now is in computer engineering, but at some point I hope to make a [[w:Software engineering|Software engineering]] category. Algorithms and data structure are in a related category link to from the computer programming category. I thought I had put computer engineering into computing but apparently I didn't that is one change I can make to improve that situation. [[:Category:Computer programming languages]] replaces the programming languages category. I would also like to replace the console game programming category with an electronic games programming category to compliment [[:Category:Electronic games]], which brings up another point. Fifth "programming" can also refer to television programming, radio programming, music programming, and other sorts of programming that has nothing to do with computers. Sixth a subject page can be created to list books from the many categories to compensate for these changes, while combining categories would result in a loss of useful information. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 21:01, 6 June 2009 (UTC) == Administrator == Hi Adrignola, If I were to nominate you for admin rights, would you accept? The work you've done here has clearly demonstrated your thoughtfulness, attention to detail, and general knowledge not only of the MediaWiki software, but also of how the Wikibooks community operates. Having you as an admin here would do nothing but enhance this project. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 13:08, 8 June 2009 (UTC) : I am pleased that you think so highly of me. I have a website I operate for an open-source game being developed where had I set up and now manage the MediaWiki installation there so I had a certain amount of knowledge of MediaWiki before I started becoming active here. However, that site is quite inactive because the game is not finished yet, so it's been a learning experience seeing it in action here. Wikibooks does feel like a community and that gave me the inspiration and confidence to attempt the significant categorization effort you've no doubt noticed. I can't think of any reason not to accept, so yes, I would accept. I hope my efforts so far and efforts to come will benefit the project, regardless of the outcome. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 14:23, 8 June 2009 (UTC) ::Thanks. I'll put up the nomination shortly. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 14:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC) ::OK, it's up at [[Wikibooks:Requests for permissions]]. The next step is for you to accept, and then voting can begin. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 14:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC) == Enhancing subject pages == I've been working on and off in my userspace on ways to improve subject pages. [[User:Darklama/Subject]] has what I've been working on. I plan to eventually turn it into several templates. I think this sort of thing would be good for the computer programming, education and languages subject pages and with some changes for a lot of other pages too. Any thoughts? --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 23:03, 8 June 2009 (UTC) : I think some might be disappointed that featured books aren't shown on the page. Recategorizing would be more difficult. Right now you only have to change the subject and category of the same name. This layout requires you to change all the parent subjects that include that subject you're recategorizing on the same page as the books filed into the parent subject itself. Then there's the question of what sub-subjects get top billing on the top-level subject page. For instance, computer science isn't listed on the page for Computing. And what if someone's interested in computer programming libraries but sees the pages listed under the computer programming heading and thinks that's all there is, when libraries are actually filed in a subcategory of computer programming? : Those are ''constructive'' criticisms. Some things I especially like are the use of color beyond purple and the elimination of collections, which I've yet to see done for any books and of which I've yet to fully grasp the use of. I wasn't involved in the decision to move to subjects, so I don't know if there were any additional goals beyond the dynamic listing of books in a subject to know how close the current subjects are to their vision. I do believe there's room for improvement and so I encourage experimentation since creative design is not a strong point of mine. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 23:25, 8 June 2009 (UTC) :: I plan to include featured books in it, just haven't yet. This layout is only intended for some subject pages. For most subject pages there would be one list of books like now. I know some people prefer the layout of the Languages bookshelf over the Languages subject page, which is where the idea of using multiple book listing comes into play for some subject pages. :: Beyond moving toward a more flexible system than bookshelves and departments there aren't really any specific community goals or visions for the subject pages. Experimentation is suppose to be fine. For myself I prefer to think of the subject pages as a web rather then as a hierarchy and how I'd like other people to see it if I can. Which is part of why I replaced "Subtopics" with "Related Subjects" at one point in Whiteknight's template. Another part of that goal that isn't apparent from my subject page is that instead of using back links, subject pages like Subject:Computing would also be categorized in each of its related categories too, so that it would show up in the related subjects list, resulting in a more dynamic two way link between subject pages that requires even fewer changes to update. :: Collections are intended to provide an easy way to generate PDF files for books, so might eventually replace the PDF list. Collections can also be printed and generate other formats, so they might also eventually replace the print versions books have as well. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 00:14, 9 June 2009 (UTC) == Categorizing pages that don't have their own identities == There are three pages in the [[Conlang]] book that are effectively sections of the book's main page. Each of them manifests as part of the main page and can be edited via an edit button in that part of the main page &mdash; and each of them should not be edited or viewed outside of that context. I deliberately didn't categorize them because I didn't want any categories pointing to these inherently non-independent pages. As part of your heroic efforts at cleaning up categorization, though, you added the usual book-category code to each of them. Rather than knee-jerk decategorizing them again, I thought I'd check with you first. Is there some additional factor that interferes with my reason for not categorizing them? --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 06:34, 16 June 2009 (UTC) : Having a category on them prevents them from showing up in [[Special:UncategorizedPages]], allowing for easier viewing of new books/pages and also double-checking to make sure new pages weren't accidentally created as standalone instead of subpages. Could we put the pages you mention in, say, [[:Category:Conlang/Structural]] (or your choice), where that category is filed in [[:Category:Conlang]] and holds all the pages that are structural and not content-related? I do that for books with a lot of templates using Bookname/Templates or images using Bookname/Images. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 14:33, 16 June 2009 (UTC) :: A very solid additional factor. I'll give it some thought, and meanwhile the book category will do to keep Special:UncategorizedPages happy. Thanks. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 15:39, 16 June 2009 (UTC) == [[Using Wikibooks]] == Hi Adrignola, I was wondering if I could interest you in writing a section of [[Using Wikibooks]] covering subjects and categories and their proper use. It could answer questions like: *What's the difference between subjects and categories? *What subject should I file a book under, and how do I do that? *What sort of subcategories should a book have? I'm sure you can think of other aspects that elude me ATM. If you're ambitious, you could even help us catch the clue train about DDC and LOC. My thinking is that the better people understand what you're doing and what the logic is, the smaller the messes they will make and the better off the project will be. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 01:31, 17 June 2009 (UTC) : Well, sure. I ought to be something of an expert on all that by now. I'll try not to duplicate [[Wikibooks:CCO Resources]] or [[Help:Categories]] by taking a different tack. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 01:39, 17 June 2009 (UTC) ::I've taken a crack at it, Jomegat. If you could be so kind as to do a peer review? [[Using Wikibooks/Shelves, Categories, and Classifications|Using Wikibooks/Subjects, Categories, and Classifications]]. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 05:21, 17 June 2009 (UTC) :::Thank you! I did make one change to [[Using Wikibooks/Shelves, Categories, and Classifications|Using Wikibooks/Subjects, Categories, and Classifications]] to hopefully clarify the text. You should definitely fact-check it though. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 13:05, 17 June 2009 (UTC) == Congratulations on your RFA == Feel free to ask if the buttons present any mysteries :-). --[[User:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:44, 17 June 2009 (UTC) :Congrats from me too, and hoorays! --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 20:52, 17 June 2009 (UTC) :: Thanks for your support. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 22:41, 17 June 2009 (UTC) == creating books? == Please help me if you can. Thanks --[[User:WokHush|WokHush]] ([[User talk:WokHush|talk]]) 00:14, 18 June 2009 (UTC) == Welcome to the team, admin! == Thanks for agreeing to help with [[WB:ADMIN|project maintenance]]. There are several scripts you may be interested in using to make common administrative tasks easier. All can be enabled on the ''Gadgets'' tab of ''[[Special:Preferences|my preferences]]'': *[[User:Mike.lifeguard/TW|Twinkle Speedy]] *Range and wildcard contributions *Modify rollback *AJAX patrolling *Clean delete reasons *Autodelete links As well, you may wish to join us in [[WB:IRC|IRC]] at [[irc:wikibooks|#wikibooks]] for work and play, or on the [[WB:ML|mailing list]] [[mail:textbook-l|textbook-l]]. If you need help with the tools, feel free to leave a message on my talk page. Congrats again & I look forward to working with you. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:29, 18 June 2009 (UTC) : Thanks for the welcome. I've done some tagging of unlicensed images with Twinkle already and warning/welcoming of users with other gadgets. It is a very convenient tool. I subscribed to the mailing list and I've registered a nickname and am working on a cloak for IRC chats. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 19:30, 18 June 2009 (UTC) == Uncreated "book" category of template-space pages == My [[Template:Navlist]] suite has an accidental, uncreated, sporadically populated "book" category, [[:Category:Template:Navlist]] &mdash; which comes about because some templates in the suite invoke {{tl|BookCat}} to automatically categorize the calling page, and some pages in the suite invoke those templates. Is this category as-is apt to cause some sort of problem down the road, or is it harmless as-is? --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 20:55, 18 June 2009 (UTC) :It will make the category appear in [[Special:WantedCategories]], but other than that, I don't see a problem, as long as your pages have other categories on them that do exist (so they'll appear somewhere). -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 20:57, 18 June 2009 (UTC) ::Should all template-space pages be categorized (that is, generic ones, not affiliated with a particular book)? --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 22:21, 18 June 2009 (UTC) :::I would say that they should, given the existence of [[:Category:Templates]]. (I've not gone through that category, yet, so it's probably messy.). -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 22:23, 18 June 2009 (UTC) :::I'd probably eventually get to going through [[Special:UncategorizedTemplates]], so templates that are categorized will help out there. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 22:31, 18 June 2009 (UTC) ::::Perhaps then I will create and systematically populate [[:Category:Template:Navlist]], and put it in [[:Category:Navigational templates]]. (Good luck if you do tackle template space; it looks like about two thousand out of four thousand pages there are uncategorized.) --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 23:06, 18 June 2009 (UTC) :::::Sometimes I wonder if I'm somewhat masochistic... -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 23:08, 18 June 2009 (UTC) == A quick question == I ran across something I thought was odd and I thought I would ask you what to think about it. Some pages (I'll take as an example [[Functional_Analysis/Hilbert_spaces]]) place themselves in the Category corresponding to the book by having a tag like <nowiki>{{subject|Functional_Analysis/Hilbert_spaces}}</nowiki>. This is a bit different then things I have usually seen and I was curious if it had undesired results. But before I started reading the template to figure out exactly what it would do I thought I would ask someone a bit more knowledgeable then myself. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 09:34, 19 June 2009 (UTC) :Just as {{tlx|BookCat}} is intended for subpages, but will alter what it does if accidentally placed on the main page of a book, {{tlx|Subjects}} is intended for the main page of a book, but will alter what it does if placed on a subpage of a book. Someone cleverly designed the code so that, no, there are no unintended consequences. It does leave at least three different methods to categorize a book's subpages: {{tlx|BookCat}}, {{tlx|Subject}}, and <nowiki>[[Category:{{FULLBOOKNAME}}|{{FULLCHAPTERNAME}}]]</nowiki>. Which one to use really depends on personal preference, since they produce the same result. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 11:55, 19 June 2009 (UTC) :: A bot could parse uses of the subjects template on subpages for its own purposes, making there use on subpages a form of meta data. Of course that potential benefit is a personal preference too. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 12:49, 19 June 2009 (UTC) == Categories of non-mainspace pages == I'm trying to suss out some grand-scale issues in arrangement of categories of non-mainspace pages; most of this I've been thinking about just recently with regard to template space, but one part of it I've also been mulling over for some time with regard to Wikijunior. (I do apologize for springing this on you when you've already got more than enough on your plate already; but it seemed like a good idea to try to clear these broad issues out of the way sooner rather than later.) You'll recall that since {{tl|BookCat}} was being incidentally applied to several pages in my Template:Navlist suite anyway, I categorized all of them by simply adding {{tl|BookCat}} to the rest and creating [[:Category:Template:Navlist]]. I had initially worried that it would seem anomalous to have a category whose name begins with "<tt>Template:</tt>", but in the event it seems to me to work out well, because when you look at {{nowrap|[[:Category:Navigational templates]]}}, this way ''everything'' belonging to it starts with "<tt>Template:</tt>" &mdash; both member category and member pages. Now, the vast majority (I think) of template-space pages are actually specific to particular books; and in your Using Wikibooks write-up, you've recommended putting such templates in a subcategory of the book category called&nbsp; <tt>Category:My Book/Templates</tt>. But, logically, should all pages in template space be somewhere under [[:Category:Templates]]? Because if they should, then these template subcategories of book categories should have a place in the hierarchy depending from <tt>Category:Templates</tt>. (And if not, then <tt>Category:Templates</tt> should probably be called something else, like&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>Category:Generic templates</tt>}}.) : ''(A side problem at this point is where in the hierarchy to put them that won't swamp the existing categories of generic templates. For example, there are probably a lot of book-specific navbox templates, but putting them directly in&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>Category:Navigational templates</tt>}}&nbsp; would make the generics hard to find. Perhaps one could just throw all the subcategories of book categories into a&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>Category:Book-specific templates</tt>}}? If more precision is needed, one could also have subcategories like&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>Category:Book-specific navigational templates</tt>}}, though that seems liable to get out of hand.)'' There seems to be at least some merit, though, to giving these book-specific categories names starting with "<tt>Template:<tt>", thus&nbsp; <tt>Category:Template:My Book</tt>&nbsp; rather than&nbsp; <tt>Category:My Book/Templates</tt>. Besides the straightforwardness of prefixing space-specific category names with the name-prefix of the space, this also means that ''if'' the book-specific templates for {{nowrap|<tt>My Book</tt>}} are given names of the form {{nowrap|<tt>Template:My Book/Some template</tt>}}, then generic categorization techniques such as {{tl|BookCat}} could be used. Were we to go with the <tt>Category:Template:</tt> form, we'd want to recommend the {{nowrap|<tt>Template:My Book/Some template</tt>}} form. (I might actually have seen a semi-recommendation of that naming scheme, somewhere or other.) A similar situation exists with Wikijunior pages: the book categories there, that I've seen, always have to be written out manually because they are prefixed with <tt>Wikijunior_</tt> rather than <tt>Wikijunior:</tt>, e.g. {{nowrap|[[:Category:Wikijunior The Elements]]}} rather than {{nowrap|[[:Category:Wikijunior:The Elements]]}}, so that techniques like {{tl|BookCat}} cannot be used. Looking over all that, there seem to be three distinct possibilities raised. * Put book-specific templates in a catch-all&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>Category:Book-specific templates</tt>}}. * Give template subcategories of book categories names of the form&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>Cagetory:Template:My Book</tt>}}. * Give Wikijunior book categories names of the form&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>Category:Wikijunior:My Book</tt>}}. Thoughts? --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 15:13, 19 June 2009 (UTC) : I noticed that with Wikijunior. Historically the categories matched the books' names &mdash; they were moved to the Wikijunior namespace later when it was created. I'd have to recategorize all the Wikijunior pages to correct that (though it wouldn't be any more work than categorizing an uncategorized page). I would agree with the effort to create new Wikijunior categories and correct their books' pages' categories. : I would prefer book-specific templates be filed in their book's category, regardless of what the name of their container category is. The generic category would get too cluttered otherwise. : Supporting the above, I would agree that [[:Category:Templates]] needs to have a name change. Wikipedia has [[w:Category:Wikipedia templates]], so the top-level category for generic templates on Wikibooks can be [[:Category:Wikibooks templates]]. It's blue because it's a redirect to [[:Category:Templates]]. (That should be reversed). : I do agree that using the form <tt>Template:My Book/Template Blah</tt> would enable easier categorizing using {{tlx|BookCat}}. The container category would be <tt>Category:Template:My Book</tt>, yes. You'd have to manually specify your book's category when filing your template category, still. That would differ from using <tt>Category:My Book/Templates</tt> where you have to manually specify the category on the templates ''and'' the template category. I happen to like the look of <tt>Category:My Book/Templates</tt>, though, but since it's something unique to each book, authors can use whatever they feel is best. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 15:31, 19 June 2009 (UTC) :: I agree the Wikijunior categories should be renamed to Category:Wikijunior:Book. I also don't like a catch-all category for all book-specific templates. Keeping track of templates would become more difficult. Personally I think a lot of book-specific templates don't need to be book-specific. I think the only templates that need to be book specific are templates that provide navigation between pages, and even that isn't really necessary for books that only care to have back, forward, and table of content links. Books are required by policy to use the <tt>Book/Page</tt> form for any pages of the book, and I think sticking with that form for any templates and categories for the book creates consistency and is a good idea. Other forms have been discussed in the past on the talk pages for Naming convention, Hierarchy and Naming policy, and rejected by the community. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 16:55, 19 June 2009 (UTC) ::: Okay,&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>Category:Book-specific templates</tt>}}&nbsp; was a daft idea; it would serve no useful organizational purpose. Renaming&nbsp; <tt>Catetory:Templates</tt>&nbsp; to {{nowrap|<tt>Category:Wikibooks templates</tt>}}&nbsp; appeals to me. ::: I agree, actually, about the look/uniformity of&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>Category:My Book/Templates</tt>}}. Also, because we are only filing this category under the book category, and not at all under the&nbsp; <tt>Category:Templates</tt>&nbsp; hierarchy, mnemonic sense is all for prefixing the category name with the book name rather than with&nbsp; <tt>Template:</tt>. It occurs to me that if the templates are called&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>Template:My Book/Template Blah</tt>}}, one could exploit that naming scheme with a template alternative to&nbsp; <tt>Template:BookCat</tt>, call it&nbsp; <tt>Template:BookTemplateCat</tt>, that would automatically add&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>Template:My Book/Template Blah</tt>}}&nbsp; to&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>Category:My Book/Templates</tt>}}. ::: I too think that most book-specific templates don't have to be book-specific, but categorizing what we already have seems both simpler than, and a facilitator to, thoughtfully reforming detailed template tactics across the whole of Wikibooks. Sufficient unto the day is the colossal task thereof. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 17:33, 19 June 2009 (UTC) :::: I knew I forgot to comment on something. <tt>Category:Wikibooks templates</tt> could be mistaken for templates used in the Wikibooks namespace only. <tt>Category:Generic templates</tt> or <tt>Category:General templates</tt> could be confused for templates for generic or general uses rather than a root/top category for all templates. Why does the category name need to be any more specific? --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 18:20, 19 June 2009 (UTC) :::: I don't have my heart set one way or the other. Keeping it as it is means less work recategorizing. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 18:23, 19 June 2009 (UTC) ::::: As I understand it, [[:Category:Templates]] is (whatever one calls it) the common ancestor of all non-book-specific categories of templates. It isn't the root category of all templates, because some book-specific templates will not belong to it or any descendant of it. It isn't a category only of generic templates, because some book-specific templates will belong to various subcategories of it (such as [[:Category:Exclude in print]], or [[:Category:Intricate templates]]). --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 18:58, 19 June 2009 (UTC) :::::: Not that its likely to make a difference, but I meant common ancestor for all templates and template categories. Some book specific templates will be listed somewhere within Category:Templates because they are categorized by other means too. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 20:17, 19 June 2009 (UTC) ::::::: Under the current plan, there will be both templates, and categories of templates, that are not descended in any degree from&nbsp; <tt>Category:Templates</tt>. This is because&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>Template:My Book/Template Blah</tt>}}&nbsp; might belong directly only to&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>Category:My Book/Templates<tt>}}, which in turn belongs directly only to&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>Category:My Book</tt>}}, which is not a descendant of&nbsp; <tt>Category:Templates</tt>. It would be different if we also filed each&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>Category:My Book/Templates</tt>}}&nbsp; in a catch-all&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>Category:Book-specific templates</tt>}}, which would itself belong to&nbsp; <tt>Category:Templates</tt>&nbsp; &mdash; but unless we do that, some templates and categories of templates will not be descended from&nbsp; <tt>Category:Templates</tt>. Indeed, I'm now thinking I was too hasty in withdrawing my proposal for&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>Category:Book-specific templates</tt>}}. It would perform two moderately useful functions, by&nbsp; (1)&nbsp;clarifying that those templates are book-specific, and&nbsp; (2)&nbsp;causing&nbsp; <tt>Category:Templates</tt>&nbsp; to be, indeed, the root/top category of all templates. Function&nbsp;(1) would be especially useful, because systematically identifying all book-specific templates would make them easy to target in a later campaign to drastically reduce the number of book-specific templates. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 21:09, 19 June 2009 (UTC) (reset) I don't focus on [[:Category:Templates]] as the root. I see ''[[:Category:Categories]]'' as the root. If you want an alphabetical index to search for a specific book's templates, wouldn't [[Special:PrefixIndex]] with the template namespace do? If filing template categories in {{nowrap|<tt>Category:Book-specific templates</tt>}} would result in a category tree like that for the subject categories that books are put in, in order to organize them, then why not leave them filed in their book's category, which is itself part of the main category tree and allows the templates to move with the book if the book is refiled? I'd need more information on how {{nowrap|<tt>Category:Book-specific templates</tt>}} won't simply duplicate [[:Category:Books by subject]]. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 04:42, 20 June 2009 (UTC) : Here is the arrangement I'm now talking about. :* Each book-specific template has a name of the form&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>Template:My Book/Blah</tt>}}, and contains markup <br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<tt><nowiki>[[Category:{{BOOKNAME}}/Templates|{{FULLCHAPTERNAME}}]]</nowiki></tt> <br/>(which might be generated by a template call&nbsp; <tt><nowiki>{{BookTemplateCat}}</nowiki></tt>). Presumably, calls to this template from within the book would have the form&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt><nowiki>{{{{BOOKNAME}}/Blah|...}}</nowiki></tt>}}. :* {{nowrap|<tt>Category:My Book/Templates</tt>}}&nbsp; contains markup <br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<tt><nowiki>[[Category:{{BOOKNAME}}|{{FULLCHAPTERNAME}}]]</nowiki></tt> <br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<tt><nowiki>[[Category:Book-specific templates|{{BOOKNAME}}]]</nowiki></tt> <br/>(which might be generated by a template call, perhaps&nbsp; <tt><nowiki>{{Book-specific templates}}</nowiki></tt>). :* {{nowrap|<tt>Category:Book-specific templates</tt>}}&nbsp; contains markup <br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<tt><nowiki>[[Category:Templates]]</nowiki></tt> :* As an alternative for a given book, if one didn't want to have a separate&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>Category:My Book/Templates</tt>}}, one could have each&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>Template:My Book/Blah</tt>}}&nbsp; call&nbsp; <tt><nowiki>{{Book-specific templates}}</nowiki></tt>, instead of&nbsp; <tt><nowiki>{{BookTemplateCat}}</nowiki></tt>. (These may not be the ideal names for the two categorizing templates, after all...) :* It would also be possible for book-specific templates that don't conform to the naming convention to manually put themselves into the appropriate category(-ies). Wikijunior book-specific templates would probably always be non-conformant; I don't see any natural way to extend the book-specific-template naming convention to cover Wikijunior. :Under this arrangement, :* Every book-specific template would belong either directly to its book category, or to a child of its book category. This is just as in the flat- and deep-filing arrangements you recommended in Using Wikibooks, so I assume that this would be fine when renaming a book. :* Every book-specific template would belong either directly to&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>Category:Book-specific templates</tt>}}, or to a child of that category. This would not clutter the pre-existing categories of templates, because all the book-specific templates and book-specific template categories would be tucked away under&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>Category:Book-specific templates</tt>}}; the only effect on&nbsp; <tt>Category:Templates</tt>&nbsp; would be the addition of one child category, and there would be no effect at all on any of the other pre-existing categories of templates. It would provide us with a convenient way of finding all book-specific templates; it would clarify the status of these templates ''as'' book-specific; and it would guarantee that, to the extent that everything is conformant, <tt>Category:Templates</tt> is the root/top of all templates and categories of templates &mdash; that is, every template-space page, and every category of only template-space pages, occurs somewhere in the hierarchy of categories descending from&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>Category:Templates</tt>}}. : --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 15:48, 20 June 2009 (UTC) :: I've created {{tlx|BookTemplateCat}} that puts a book's templates in their book's template category '''and''' also puts book template categories in their book's category and [[:Category:Book-specific templates]]. See it in action at [[Template:FHSST Physics/Units]] and [[:Category:FHSST Physics/Templates]]. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 16:49, 20 June 2009 (UTC) ::: Very clean. ::: Do I take it you're inclined, then, to always have a&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>Category:My Book/Templates</tt>}}&nbsp; when there are book-specific templates, rather than only when a given book has a lot of them? I admit I'd prefer that uniformity myself. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 18:12, 20 June 2009 (UTC) :::: I am inclined. I find that if an author has made one template or uploaded one image, they'll likely make/upload more. Also, it's easier to explain things in one standard way than to make exceptions and try to deal with things like how many templates a book must have before it has a /Templates category. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 18:17, 20 June 2009 (UTC) ::::: Darklama had the great idea of adding the code to {{tlx|BookCat}} to have one template to rule them all. It's done, so replace all instances of BookTemplateCat above with BookCat. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 20:38, 20 June 2009 (UTC) :::::: It ''is'' a great idea... for Wikibooks. Go team. :::::: It does make a mess out of my categorization of the [[Template:Navlist]] suite, whose book category should ''not'' be called [[:Category:Navlist/Templates]] since it is not a category of book-specific templates for a book called&nbsp; <tt>Navlist</tt>. I tried (hoping against hope) creating a redirect from [[:Category:Navlist/Templates]] to [[:Category:Template:Navlist]], but the member pages are left behind in the category with the wrong name. I suppose I'll probably create a special template just for use by the suite, that checks to see whether the client page has bookname&nbsp; <tt>Template:Navlist</tt>, and does&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt><nowiki>[[Category:{{FULLBOOKNAME}}|{{FULLPAGENAME}}]]</nowiki></tt>}}&nbsp; if so,&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt><nowiki>{{BookCat}}</nowiki></tt>}}&nbsp; otherwise. Sigh. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 22:51, 20 June 2009 (UTC) ::::::: Sorry about that. It does sound like custom code will be the way to go. What's a bit more custom code for your suite? To continue your analogy above, thanks for "taking one for the team". -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 22:58, 20 June 2009 (UTC) == Undefined FULLCHAPTERNAME variable == There are two problems I see with your placement of chapter names as part of the category system, and that is for most of these older books, FULLCHAPTERNAME is not defined, and also, the way you are using the category command is not the way it wants to be used. The Category command does not take two fields the way it is written so that even if you did, have a valid variable it would not result in a change in the category. The way I have managed to get chapter to work is to put it after a <nowiki>/</nowiki> character then you get <nowiki>Bookname/Chaptername</nowiki> as its category. I hope this helps --[[User:Graeme E. Smith|Graeme E. Smith]] ([[User talk:Graeme E. Smith|talk]]) 18:39, 20 June 2009 (UTC) : I'm afraid I'm not understanding where you're having a problem. Do you have a book or one of its pages that you're not getting the code on Wikibooks' documentation pages to work with? -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 19:01, 20 June 2009 (UTC) :: Perhaps there is some failure of communication about what the markup is meant to do? :: Piping a category link provides a sort key that is applied when listing the page in the category. That is,&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt><nowiki>[[{{BOOKNAME}}|{{FULLCHAPTERNAME}}]]</nowiki></tt>}}&nbsp; on a page&nbsp; <tt>[[Conlang/Beginner]]</tt>&nbsp; would cause that page to be added to&nbsp; <tt>[[:Category:Conlang]]</tt>, and appear in that category alphabetically under <tt>B</tt> (for <tt>Beginner</tt>) rather than <tt>C</tt> (for <tt>Conlang/Beginner</tt>). {{tl|FULLCHAPTERNAME}} is a template that strips the book name off the front of the page name, unless the page is the main page of its book. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 19:14, 20 June 2009 (UTC) Well color me embarrassed. See I thought it should show up in the Category listing at the bottom of the page, but never thought about the category listing at the category site. Now I've got to find the one I changed and change it back! Silly Me--[[User:Graeme E. Smith|Graeme E. Smith]] ([[User talk:Graeme E. Smith|talk]]) 23:37, 20 June 2009 (UTC) == Featured Books == A user [[User:Triwikanto]] seems to have added a very new book to the featured books list. I have removed it, but thought I should let an admin know. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 14:18, 22 June 2009 (UTC) Never mind, I think Darklama is on top if it. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 14:21, 22 June 2009 (UTC) : Happy I could help. :P -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 14:23, 22 June 2009 (UTC) == Moved Pages == I noticed you moved some pages into the [[Computer Programming Principles]] book. Troubleshooting Software has nothing to do with Error Handing in the context of this book. While a functional programming language may be helpful for a functional approach to software development its by no means the same thing. Ditto for Procedural. Debugging was probably the only chapter moved into the book so far that makes sense. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 17:11, 22 June 2009 (UTC) : I hoped to give the book content to start with and simultaneously eliminate some of the pages of the Computer Programming book that is up for deletion, but that's fine if they aren't helpful. Figuring out what to do with the pages of that book will be a chore. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 17:28, 22 June 2009 (UTC) :: I think a lot of them need to be merged into [[Programming Languages]], but I suggest you use {{tlx|mergeto}} and {{tlx|mergefrom}} to give time for discussion before moving this time in case anyone sees a problem with doing that. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 18:02, 22 June 2009 (UTC) ::: Most the pages of that book haven't had content (moves don't count) added to them in years from a spot-check. Would the above really be necessary? -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 18:17, 22 June 2009 (UTC) ::: I only see two pages to merge, though. [[Computer Programming/Imperative programming]] and [[Computer Programming/Aspect oriented programming]]. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 18:21, 22 June 2009 (UTC) :::: If the book really haven't had any contributions in years then trying to initiate discussion isn't really necessary, but it can't hurt any either. I think [[Computer Programming/Functional programming]] and [[Computer Programming/Procedural programming]] can also go there, just would require a history merge. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 18:36, 22 June 2009 (UTC) == BookCat == What would you think of the following changes to {{tlx|BookCat}}? * When called from a template with no slash in its name (such as&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>[[Template:Wikijunior:Languages]]</tt>}}), the sort key would be "&nbsp;" (same sort key as when called from the main page of a book). This is what got me started thinking about changes to BookCat, when I saw how [[Template:Wikijunior:Languages]] was sorted in [[:Category:Wikijunior:Languages/Templates]]. * When called from a category whose name has a slash in it but is ''not'' of the form&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt><nowiki>Category:{{FULLBOOKNAME}}/Templates</nowiki></tt>}}, would put that category into the category named by removing the last part of the name (from the last slash on). Thus,&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>Category:Book/Images</tt>}}&nbsp; would be put into&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>Category:Book</tt>}}, while&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>Category:Book/Chapter/Section</tt>}}&nbsp; would be put into&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>Category:Book/Chapter</tt>}}. :: I considered adding a&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt><nowiki>filing=deep</nowiki></tt>}}&nbsp; option, but wasn't sure whether it would be worth it. Presumably it would change the behavior everywhere except in category space, where there might be a&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt><nowiki>filing=flat</nowiki></tt>}}&nbsp; option. * When called from a category with no slash in its name, would do nothing (hence, no harm). I've set up a version of BookCat with these changes (and my attempt at appropriately modified documentation) at [[User:Pi zero/BookCat]], and tested all the cases I could think of off hand (I thought of thirty six cases, 6x3x2). --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 23:08, 23 June 2009 (UTC) :I think those are great changes, like you made the template the way it always should have been. Your code's in {{tlx|BookCat}} now. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 23:18, 23 June 2009 (UTC) == Categorizing Goodbook templates == Should the Goodbook templates that advertise featured books, :{{fullurl:Special:PrefixIndex|prefix=Goodbook&namespace=10}}, belong to the book categories of the books they advertise? Or, for that matter, to their books' template categories? I wouldn't have put them in the <tt>/Templates</tt> categories, because they aren't book-specific &mdash; they are used outside their books and not inside those books. As templates that aren't book-specific, I wouldn't have put them in the book categories at all; but it looks like about ten out of eighty of them have been individually added to their book categories (e.g., [[Template:Goodbook/Ada Programming]]). I've been crafting a surgical change to {{tl|Goodbook}} that would automatically add all of the Goodbook templates to {{nowrap|[[:Category:Wikibooks featured-book templates/Goodbook]]}}. (Not without trepidation; beside the sensitivity of {{tl|Goodbook}} itself, I'm paranoid about my own absent-mindedness.) The change could be modified to automatically add them to their book categories as well (or instead), ''if'' the Wikijunior ones are renamed from&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>Template:Goodbook/Wikijunior My Book</tt>}}&nbsp; to&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>Template:Goodbook/Wikijunior:My Book</tt>}}. As is, the change is right at the interface between the <tt>includeonly</tt> and <tt>noinclude</tt> blocks; it would replace :<tt><nowiki></includeonly><noinclude>[[Category:Templates|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]]</nowiki></tt> with :<tt><nowiki></includeonly>{{#ifeq:"{{FULLBOOKNAME}}"|"Template:Goodbook"|[[Category:Wikibooks featured-book templates/Goodbook|{{CHAPTERNAME}} ]]}}<noinclude></nowiki></tt> --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 03:06, 24 June 2009 (UTC) :Shouldn't that be <tt><nowiki></includeonly>{{#ifeq:"{{FULLBOOKNAME}}"|"Template:Goodbook"| |[[Category:Wikibooks featured-book templates/Goodbook|{{CHAPTERNAME}} ]]}}<noinclude></nowiki></tt> (extra pipe to put category in false evaluation)? Otherwise I think not having them in the books' categories is fine. The featured book template on the books' main pages has a link to the goodbook template if someone wants to edit it. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 03:19, 24 June 2009 (UTC) :: No, you want it in the true evaluation, so that it will apply just to those pages that transclude {{tl|Goodbook}} and, additionally, have names that start with "<tt>Template:Goodbook</tt>". That's Goodbook itself and all its subpages. Otherwise, it wouldn't categorize any of those pages, but it ''would'' put (for example) the [[Main Page]] into the /Goodbook category since {{tl|Goodbook}} does get transcluded there (which is why {{tl|Goodbook}} falls under the cascading protection of the Main Page). --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 03:37, 24 June 2009 (UTC) ::: I understand your logic, and also see why you couldn't put the code in the template yourself (cascading protection). I've added your code to the template. Since the majority are ''not'' put in the books' categories, I think that ''none'' of them should be put in the books' categories. Looks like all the goodbook templates need null edits to show up in your category. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 03:46, 24 June 2009 (UTC) == Wikijunior categories == Question (but at least it's a well-defined one this time). When naming a book-specific template associated with a Wikijunior book, it would be messy to call it&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>Template:Wikijunior:My Book/Blah</tt>}}, because then you'd always have to include the&nbsp; <tt>Template:</tt>&nbsp; prefix when calling it, i.e., {{nowrap|<tt><nowiki>{{Template:Wikijunior:My Book/Blah}}</nowiki></tt>}}&nbsp; rather than&nbsp;{{nowrap|<tt><nowiki>{{Wikijunior:My Book/Blah}}</nowiki></tt>}}&nbsp; (because the latter looks in Wikijunior space instead of template space). Should we, perhaps, use a slash in place of the internal colon, thus&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>Template:Wikijunior/My Book/Blah</tt>}}&nbsp;? This could be detected and compensated for by {{tl|BookCat}}. If we do that, we might also want to apply the same transformation to the category names (more work for {{tl|BookCat}}). That is, {{nowrap|<tt>Category:Wikijunior/My Book</tt>}}&nbsp; and&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>Category:Wikijunior/My Book/Templates</tt>}}. That ''would'' be in the spirit of the [[Wikibooks:Naming policy]]. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 14:01, 21 June 2009 (UTC) : To be clear: I'm actually of two minds about this, myself. Maybe having to specify&nbsp; <tt>Template:</tt>&nbsp; when calling a book-specific template isn't too high a price to pay for uniformity. Maybe... --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 14:49, 21 June 2009 (UTC) :: Take a look at {{tlx|wjt}} and see what you think. If you have <tt>Wikijunior:My Book</tt> and want to use <tt>Template:Wikijunior:My Book</tt>, place {{tlx|wjt}} on the page. For the same book, if you want to use <tt>Template:Wikijunior:My Book/Blah</tt>, place {{tlx|wjt|Blah}} on the page. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 15:57, 21 June 2009 (UTC) ::: Try this: rename it from&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>Template:Wjt</tt>}}&nbsp; to&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>Template:Wbt</tt>}}&nbsp; (or something), and in the markup, use&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt><nowiki>Template:{{FULLBOOKNAME}}</nowiki></tt>}}&nbsp; instead of&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt><nowiki>Template:Wikijunior:{{BOOKNAME}}</nowiki></tt>}}.&nbsp; Then it should work for mainspace books as well as Wikijunior books. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 16:42, 21 June 2009 (UTC) :::: [[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] '''Done''' -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 17:23, 21 June 2009 (UTC) :::: I've never cared for abbreviations since they can be hard to remember. Why not call it <nowiki>{{include}} or {{add}}</nowiki>? --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 17:46, 21 June 2009 (UTC) ::::: You know, I know what you mean. But one might say "Add what?", "Include what?". How about a partner to {{tlx|BookCat}}? I've named it {{tlx|BookTemplate}}. Too long? Just right? -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 19:34, 21 June 2009 (UTC) :::::: For my part, <tt>BookTemplate</tt>&nbsp; is not too long, is nicely parallel to&nbsp; <tt>BookCat</tt>&nbsp; (as you point out), and there's no obvious way to shorten it while keeping that style. <tt>BookTemp</tt>&nbsp; would evoke&nbsp; <tt>Temporary</tt>&nbsp; rather than&nbsp; <tt>Template</tt>. :::::: Speaking of initialisms, am I alone in feeling that {{tl|LOC}} and {{tl|DDC}} are just gratuitous? I mean, they're only used ''once per book!''&nbsp; Like it would kill us to write out&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt><nowiki>{{Library of Congress|X}}</nowiki></tt>}}&nbsp; and&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt><nowiki>{{Dewey Decimal|***}}</nowiki></tt>}}&nbsp; (or even add&nbsp; <tt>classification</tt>&nbsp; to those), just once? --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 19:58, 21 June 2009 (UTC) ::::::: Personal I'd like to go with <nowiki>{{</nowiki><span style="color:blue;">catalog</span>|X|100<nowiki>}}</nowiki>. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 20:36, 21 June 2009 (UTC) :::::::: <nowiki>{{</nowiki><span style="color:blue;">catalog</span> | LOC=X | DDC=100 | Alpha=Y <nowiki>}}</nowiki>&nbsp; --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 20:46, 21 June 2009 (UTC) BookTemplate should support passing parameters through to the book's template; I noticed this when, in field testing it on [[Wikijunior:Languages]], I encountered [[:Template:Wikijunior:Languages/Box]]. How about :<nowiki><includeonly>{{Template:{{FULLBOOKNAME}}{{#if: {{{1|}}} |/{{{1}}}}}|{{{2|}}}|{{{3|}}}|{{{4|}}}|{{{5|}}}}}</includeonly></nowiki> This works for passing parameters to the book's main template as well, via <tt><nowiki>{{BookTemplate||...}}</nowiki></tt>. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 13:20, 22 June 2009 (UTC) : [[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] '''Done''' -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 13:34, 22 June 2009 (UTC) Alas. Looks like {{tl|BookTemplate}} needs to support a larger number of parameters; I'd suggest going all the way up to <nowiki>|{{17|}}</nowiki>, to be safe. I thought I was being cautious by providing for 4. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 14:59, 24 June 2009 (UTC) : BookTemplate. Now with more parameters! -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 20:22, 24 June 2009 (UTC) :: Excellent! Thanks. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 20:34, 24 June 2009 (UTC) == ROOTBOOKNAME == I've created a template {{tl|ROOTBOOKNAME}}. * I suggest {{tl|BookTemplate}} should use ROOTBOOKNAME instead of FULLBOOKNAME (in both the documentation and the code). This would allow BookTemplate to work right when viewing book templates that use it, and when using those book templates on talk pages, and when using it to call book templates from talk pages. * It could also be used in documenting book and book-template categories, as in ::<tt><nowiki>This category contains templates used in the [[{{ROOTBOOKNAME}}]] book.</nowiki></tt> * I'm not sure there isn't a better name than ROOTBOOKNAME, that I'm just not thinking of. * I don't ''think'' there are any other cases that ROOTBOOKNAME should handle separately. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 18:59, 25 June 2009 (UTC) : Taken care of. I protected {{tlx|ROOTBOOKNAME}} at the same level as {{tlx|FULLBOOKNAME}} to prevent a security hole from opening. You think of nearly everything, so I doubt you've missed anything. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 19:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC) == [[Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book/Nature/Seeds]] == This guy is persistent isn't (s)he? My theory is that he's working on earning the honor and wants to print out "his" answers and turn them in to his instructor. Dunno if that's the case or not, but it wouldn't be the first time. I left him a note. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 20:03, 25 June 2009 (UTC) : Indeed. I felt like we were tag-teaming on that one. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 20:04, 25 June 2009 (UTC) :: New target: [[Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book/Outreach/Family Life]]. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 20:05, 25 June 2009 (UTC) :::I left a more stern message this time. Seems to have calmed down a bit. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 20:24, 25 June 2009 (UTC) == Limitations of BookTemplate == Although I do think {{tl|ROOTBOOKNAME}} is primordial enough that it's The Right Thing, this might not be true of {{tl|BookTemplate}}. ''Maybe'' it isn't actually the Wrong Thing, but it may be only a tool for the majority of light applications, with a second, heavy-duty tool needed for special occasions. In field-testing (on the seriously stressful case of False Friends of the Slavist), I'm now looking at a book-specific template with 171 unnamed parameters and 9 named parameters ({{tl|False Friends of the Slavist/MapConstructor}}). That deserves some careful thought before acting. Here's an idea I'm mulling over: a higher-order template that generates as output the name of a book template, i.e., {{nowrap|<tt><nowiki><includeonly>Template:{{ROOTBOOKNAME}}</includeonly></nowiki></tt>}}. For example, if its name were&nbsp; <tt>bt</tt>, one would write&nbsp; <tt><nowiki>{{{{bt|MapConstructor}}|...}}</nowiki></tt>. Choosing a name for this device is something of a challenge; it should probably have a very short name (at worst, no longer than "BookTemplate"), and it may want to avoid having "meta" in its name lest that been confused with [[m:|Meta]]. I'm even half tempted by&nbsp; <tt>bt</tt>, despite my basic agreement with Darklama about initialisms. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 12:55, 26 June 2009 (UTC) : Yes, that book you're dealing with is quite the challenge. I understand what your higher-order template would do, yet I don't see what its goal is. What would its advantage be over the code currently in {{tlx|BookTemplate}}? I wouldn't want to make things too complicated for the people who have to use these. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 13:00, 26 June 2009 (UTC) :: Using {{tl|BookTemplate}}, the only parameters that will reach the target (in this case, {{nowrap|<nowiki>{{ROOTBOOKNAME}}/MapConstructor</nowiki>}}) are those that are explicitly passed on by BookTemplate. Right now that's nineteen unnamed parameters. There's no point in just upping the number of unnamed parameters passed on, because there are still ''named'' parameters that don't get passed on, and the only way to pass them on would be to explicitly hardwire their names into the central facility {{tl|BookTemplate}}. :: (BTW, I see I muffed the markup for my hypothetical higher-order template: I used it as if it took a parameter for the chaptername of the book template, but the markup doesn't provide for that.) --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 15:34, 26 June 2009 (UTC) : This is why its better to call/use templates directly. If your still bent on trying to make this work, <nowiki>{{{{BookTemplate}}/Foobar|blah|blah|what=blah}}</nowiki> would avoid the limitations of having only a fixed number of parameters and not being able to use named parameters. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 13:03, 26 June 2009 (UTC) :: (Lot's of unnecessary and possibly missing-the-point discussion of "using templates directly" deleted here... --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 15:39, 26 June 2009 (UTC)) I've created a template {{tl|BOOKTEMPLATE}}, that simply generates the main book-template name for the current book, i.e., {{nowrap|<tt><nowiki>Template:{{ROOTBOOKNAME}}</nowiki></tt>}}. My notion is that an editor reading markup sees the all-caps and expects a device that generates part of a page name, because that's what all the other all-caps names do (pre-existing naming convention). The notation for calling the main book template of a book would then be : {{nowrap|<tt><nowiki>{{{{BOOKTEMPLATE}}|one|two|what=something}}</nowiki></tt>}} and for calling a book template&nbsp; <tt>/Foobar</tt>, : {{nowrap|<tt><nowiki>{{{{BOOKTEMPLATE}}/Foobar|one|two|what=something}}</nowiki></tt>}} If this works out as well as I'm hoping, we can convert all of the existing {{tl|BookTemplate}} calls to use {{tl|BOOKTEMPLATE}} instead, and then delete {{tl|BookTemplate}}. It's simple, one-stop shopping for editors using book templates. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 15:34, 26 June 2009 (UTC) :: To get the book's template of its own name, <nowiki>{{{{BOOKTEMPLATE}}}}</nowiki> is not working. I have to specify <nowiki>{{{{BOOKTEMPLATE}}|}}</nowiki> for it to work. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 15:50, 26 June 2009 (UTC) ::: Ya that is the draw back to that approach. The mediawiki parser thinks there is a template parameter named either {BOOKTEMPLATE} or BOOKTEMPLATE with {}'s placed around the result. You can also use <nowiki>{{ {{BOOKTEMPLATEE}} }}</nowiki> or <nowiki>{{msg:{{BOOKTEMPLATE}}}}</nowiki>. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 16:10, 26 June 2009 (UTC) :::: That slipped my mind when writing the docs for {{tl|BOOKTEMPLATE}}. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 16:22, 26 June 2009 (UTC) : The only remaining references to {{tl|BookTemplate}} are from this talk page. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 21:45, 26 June 2009 (UTC) == Another reason to noinclude BookCat == You asked a while back (over on my talk page) about removing the noincludes around {{tl|BookCat}}. My answer has changed, a bit: I now recommend noincluding BookCat for pretty much every template that doesn't generate a complete table. The reason is that, as I was gradually forced to remember by wrestling with [[Template:False Friends of the Slavist/MapLegend4]], category links have a tendency to prevent paragraph breaks (though I don't remember exactly how that works, if I ever really understood it). --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 00:06, 27 June 2009 (UTC) : I think that's a bad idea. Using noinclude defeats the main reason why its usually included to begin with. To make it easy to categorize pages of a book without having to manually categorize each page separately. I think having templates with the only difference being the number of arguments passed are bad ideas too, so I went and fixed that. I think the MapConstructor template needs improved too, because all the images overlap each other based on the positioning, making any obscured images loaded a waste of bandwidth and slows down the time it takes to load pages. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 13:11, 27 June 2009 (UTC) :: I did notice your technical fix for the problem with MapLegend. Admitting such technical fixes on a case-by-case basis somewhat expands the range of templates that can include BookCat. Recalling a key element from the earlier discussion, though, BookCat neessarily must be noincluded on templates that could be used inside links (which is most of the templates for Friends of the Slavist &mdash; and also the /Navlist files used to specify book contents, as we were forcibly reminded when adding included category markup to Conlang/Navlist broke all the navbox links in the Conlang book). Likewise, BookCat must be noincluded on templates that generate fragments of template names. As a rule of thumb, I'd still noinclude BookCat on any template that generates a small text fragment without embedded markup. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 13:59, 27 June 2009 (UTC) qajmeww4whkcr8o6mgkakvip8t3vsk6 3 203734 4654214 2031602 2026-07-12T18:06:31Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654214 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talkarchive}} == Template naming == Hi Adrignola. Redirects are fine, but remember that it's usually a lot easier to use a short name for templates ([[:Template:Organic_Horticulture_in_the_Mid-Atlantic/Stub]] is rather a mouthful for the fingers). AFAIK, templates don't use the subpage naming conventions. --[[User:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup> 08:42, 28 June 2009 (UTC) : Well, if you look in the sections of the page above, you'll see that Pi zero has been working toward having that be the case. For your book there's code now to use <nowiki>{{{{BOOKTEMPLATE}}/Stub}}</nowiki>, so no matter how long the name of the actual template, that shorthand code recently created will save your fingers. Using that name also allows the revised {{tlx|BookCat}} to put it in a /Templates subcategory of your book's category, to put all your book's templates together. It also allows the use of [[Special:PrefixIndex]] limited to the <tt>Template:</tt> namespace when looking for any of your book's templates that have not been categorized. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 14:12, 28 June 2009 (UTC) ::Yeah... like I said, as long as the redirects are kept, it's not really a problem. Book templates are used to make page creation easier, and making the templates easy to spekl helps :-). --[[User:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup> 12:35, 5 July 2009 (UTC) :::Book templates are also supposed to make the page markup easier to understand. It's easier to understand ''that the template being called is book-specific'' if the call syntax says that, than if it the call syntax doesn't say it :-). --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 21:54, 5 July 2009 (UTC) == <nowiki>{{BookCat|filing=deep}}</nowiki> == What would you think of a deep-filing option on BookCat? This would expand the range of templates that can include BookCat, to encompass at least some templates that are used on deep-filed book pages (a problem I was alerted to when I had to re-noinclude BookCat on {{nowrap|[[Template:False Friends of the Slavist/MapConstructor]]}}). I've worked out and debugged such an upgrade at {{nowrap|[[User:Pi zero/BookCat]]}} (with its noincluded category commented out, so as not to categorize my user subpage). There turned out to be more subtleties than I'd realized, but I ''think'' I've got the design flaws ironed out... --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 02:15, 5 July 2009 (UTC) :As long as additional functionality doesn't break existing functionality, I'm all for it. Your changes are now in {{tlx|BookCat}}. Enjoy. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 02:23, 5 July 2009 (UTC) == Transwiki == Do we need special rights to do edits like [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_3.0_Unported_License&diff=next&oldid=1561049 these] at pt.wikibooks? [[:pt:User:Helder.wiki|Helder]] 10:38, 6 July 2009 (UTC) : I can't speak directly for pt.wikibooks, but at en.wikibooks the ability to transwiki from other English-language Wikimedia wikis is restricted to sysops/admins and those who are members of the "importers" group. There's nobody that is part of the importers group, so it's effectively only administrators here that can do so. The page used for this is [[Special:Import]]. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 12:50, 6 July 2009 (UTC) == [[Wikibooks talk:Copyrights#Update needed]] == This is just to let you know I responded to your comment there, in case you forgot to watch the page. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 15:04, 6 July 2009 (UTC) : Thanks for the assistance. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 15:31, 6 July 2009 (UTC) == Redirects of language subjects == Hi Adrignola, I've undonde your redirects of "Subject:X" to "Subject:X language" because they broke the layout of the Languages bookshelf. I've moved these pages to "Wikibooks:X bookshelf", which actually was the original name before darklama moved them. After that I redirected "Subject:X" again to "Subject:X language"; thus, I guess you should be happy. (And I'm happy because the Languages bookshelf is fixed.) I'm not sure about darklama because I don't know the reason for moving the pages in the first place. --[[User:Martin Kraus|Martin Kraus]] ([[User talk:Martin Kraus|talk]]) 12:35, 7 July 2009 (UTC) :That's fine with me. If only it were so easy to make everyone happy with a love child from the mating of bookshelves and subjects; that'd make my day. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 13:53, 7 July 2009 (UTC) == Category:University level mathematics books == Hi, I was curious why this was set to a hidden category? [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 10:13, 8 July 2009 (UTC) :My rationale was that it is used like the alphabetical, DDC, and LOC classifications and doesn't correspond to an actual subject page like the subjects applied in addition to university level mathematics on the books. This was stemming from your comment about certain categories showing up that weren't subjects. I think it was the featured book category. Making these categories hidden, to me, would solve that problem that you brought up. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 12:01, 8 July 2009 (UTC) ::Ah, I see. Well, it doesn't quite solve the problem for me. I have been complaining about these links at the bottom of the page for a while. There is another aspect of my discontent I probably expressed best before you started. Supose we fix everything else and we give our users a well defined notion of what a subject page is, and they use them. Well then when they visit a book and see a link that Says "Subject:Mathematics" and they click on mathematics, they are taken to the category page!?! If it were up to me I would keep things like "Featured books", "Books to be Merged" etc at the bottom of the page, and just change the word to Categories, because that is where the links take you. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 12:41, 8 July 2009 (UTC) :::I wouldn't have a problem with that. Buy-in would be needed from Darklama, as he originated the change in order to habituate users into thinking of the links at the bottom as corresponding to subjects (though, indeed, they do not link to subjects). This is why I made sure to at least link to the subjects from the categories. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 12:50, 8 July 2009 (UTC) ::::I am glad to hear you linked the subjects for the categories, that I agree is a step in the right direction. I have talked with Darklama about this, just recently in the IRC channel, he still sees it as a step in the wrong direction. Oh well. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 13:06, 8 July 2009 (UTC) ::::: Do you have any strong feelings about me unhiding it? [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 10:02, 9 July 2009 (UTC) ::::::I don't really have feelings either way. It's just a cosmetic adjustment. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 14:39, 9 July 2009 (UTC) == bfbggon == Thanks for blocking that idiot. He was beginning to get on my nerves. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 19:09, 8 July 2009 (UTC) == Help == I play DnD and bevlieve its wikibook is horribly unfinished. In my renovating/finishing of it, i need to rename a page. Could you please rename [[Dungeons & Dragons/Attributes|Attributes]] '''Ability Scores'''? And possibly tell me how for the future? --[[User:White wizard|White wizard]] ([[User talk:White wizard|talk]]) 22:32, 8 July 2009 (UTC) : I'm glad you found the book. I had added it to a category a short while ago so that people could find it. Your page has been renamed. Normally you can't do this unless you've made some edits and been around for a few days. You satisfy both, so in the future you are able to rename a page by clicking on the tab at the top of the page titled "move" and entering in the new name. Please remember to update any links to the page by checking "what links here" in the toolbox at the lower-left hand side of the page. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 01:33, 9 July 2009 (UTC) Thank you, and good job on administrator :) --[[User:White wizard|White wizard]] ([[User talk:White wizard|talk]]) 12:21, 9 July 2009 (UTC) == Regarding [[Mac OS X Tiger]] == The merge was already done in 19 December 2008 by myself (hence the tagging for speedy) that was questioned as a VFD. Since the outcome seems to be a merge I take it is to the pending request to merge the pages edit histories...<br> I don't object to the removal of the VFD tag but since no work was added to the page, then a notice of some kind should substitute the VFD (or a retag as speedy with the request to merge the histories, mentioning the VFD discussion so we don't get into the loop again). If no one is doing the requested/required edit history merge and immediate deletion soon...<br> For the last comment from Darklama on the VFD he "I'll do just that in a week..." (1 June), I take he forgot about it... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 04:45, 9 July 2009 (UTC) :Edit history merge completed. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 06:00, 9 July 2009 (UTC) == Jeep Wrangler == Hey, just wanted to clarified why I marked [[Automobile_Repair/Jeep/Jeep_Wrangler]] for speedy deletion: It was its own book without any context, so I figured it was created out of confusion for how wikibooks is organized or what it is for (since it is just a listing of the parts). Did not realize it was meant to be part of a book. It still doesn't seem to have anything to do with repair, but I wouldn't interfere. --[[User:Sargas|Sargas]] ([[User talk:Sargas|talk]]) 17:48, 9 July 2009 (UTC) :Understandable. The book linking to it is filled with improperly formed links to pages and the page was indeed created at the wrong location. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 18:05, 9 July 2009 (UTC) == Linear algebra == Hey, if it is not a big deal, let me categorize its pages. I have worked quite hard on it and would like to be the one to "put the nails in the coffin". [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 19:47, 12 July 2009 (UTC) :No problem. Saves me some work. :) My mass categorization gets them out of the listing but if a book's editors want to do "deep filing" or whatever under the book's main category, they are free to do so. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 19:54, 12 July 2009 (UTC) == Copyright concern == I came across [[Programming:WebObjects/Web Services/Working With Temporary GlobalIDs]] while working on categorizing. I happend to notice the page said "This documentation was written by Andrew Lindesay (http://www.lindesay.co.nz) in 2006 as part of supported code in the LEWOStuff framework, but this material has been transcribed here," and noticed the discussion at [[User talk:60.234.248.143]] links to it. I am on holiday and will probably forget to check this out later, so I thought I would let you know. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thenub314|contribs]]) </span></small> Probably related: [[WebObjects/Web Applications/Deployment/Tomcat Deployment]] → http://web.archive.org/web/20061202202932/http://homepage.mac.com/andrewlindesay/le/page_articles.html (first link) though not really proof that the other page also had the author's blessing. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 23:43, 17 July 2009 (UTC) == {{tlx|editprotected}} == When doing these requests, please use {{tlx|tlx}} on {{tlx|editprotected}} so the request disappears from the category (you can see an example [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks_talk:Reading_room/Navigation&diff=1573085&oldid=1572335 here]). Thanks &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:03, 19 July 2009 (UTC) :Sorry about that. I wasn't familiar with the template. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 23:53, 19 July 2009 (UTC) == Thoughts == Do you have any thoughts about where [[Programming/LearnByExample/COpenGL/IntroOrtho]], [[Programming/PHP/Smart-links to Mediawiki pages]], and [[Programming/J2ME]] should go? It seems there was a book titled Programming which got split into several books, and these pages got lost in the process. But I am not sure where to put them now, and thought you might have some good ideas. Judging from how other books got split Programming/PHP probably became PHP Programming, similarly with J2ME Programming, but I am not sure if there is anything that corresponded to LearnByExample. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 20:20, 19 July 2009 (UTC) : The first was part of a book nominated by the author for speedy deletion and that page was missed. See the [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:Votes_for_deletion&diff=prev&oldid=707982 VFD discussion]. The second is not used by [[PHP Programming]] or [[Complete PHP Programming]] and does not fit into either's structure, so I deleted it, as it is an obscure code sample by an anonymous user that did not make other contributions that would indicate it has any place in the existing books. I did a history merge with [[J2ME Programming]] for the last one. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 23:53, 19 July 2009 (UTC) ::Thanks [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 07:32, 20 July 2009 (UTC) == Geothermal Book == I see you have classified ''Geothermal Heating and Cooling'' as mechanical engineering, while this is true it is also about HVAC is this subject part of mechanical engineering, or does it deserve it's own mention in the Subject line?--[[User:Graeme E. Smith|Graeme E. Smith]] ([[User talk:Graeme E. Smith|talk]]) 21:29, 21 July 2009 (UTC) :Well, HVAC is a pretty specific subject and there is not a subject page for that at this point. I think it also could be under architectural engineering as well based on the HVAC aspect. I've added that additional category to the book. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 01:32, 22 July 2009 (UTC) Thanks--[[User:Graeme E. Smith|Graeme E. Smith]] ([[User talk:Graeme E. Smith|talk]]) 02:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC) == page casing == Dear Adrignola, I see you are renaming several books, changing only the capitalization (casing). If you have any good reasons for doing so, I would like to hear about it at [[Wikibooks talk:Naming policy#Page casing]]. p.s.: Good work on the categorization. Thank you. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] ([[User talk:DavidCary|talk]]) 18:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC) == Accidental Page corrections == Hello Adrignola, I am an instructor with a course at Old Dominion University in Norfolk, VA. Our students have been writing Wikibooks for the past three years. Our current book is titled Foundations and Asssessment of Education -- Edition 1. A student brought to my attention that you have added pages that I had intentionally deleted from another module page. I am sure this is accedidental, but I would appreciate if you could contact me if you have any questions regarding our book. We make modifications throughout each semester because we rate the topics and vote on the best of the two articles. We appreciate all the hard work you all do as admins, so thank you for looking out. I am going back in and correcting these changes now. PLease let me know if you made any other changes, so that I can catch them before the students do. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me. Have a wonderful day! [[User:Jkauf007|Jkauf007]] ([[User talk:Jkauf007|talk]]) 19:59, 15 July 2009 (UTC) I am sorry to ask, but could you please undo your edits to the book, Foundations and Assessment of Education -- Edition 1. It seems that I do not have that priveledge. I messed up Chapter 5 trying to correct your change. It needs to be done as soon as possible, because students don't know what articles to read. Thank you again for all of your help! [[User:Jkauf007|Jkauf007]] ([[User talk:Jkauf007|talk]]) 20:08, 15 July 2009 (UTC) :Sorry about that. I should have asked before adding them to your pages in retrospect. I've fixed it so that only the articles that were originally linked are the ones linked on those pages. The pages that were added were not linked to by any page in the wiki and I was not aware that this was intentional. Would you like the "runners-up" so to speak deleted? The only downside to the current state of your book is that those pages are not linked to and so will be hard to find. I'm committed to having my edits be positive in their effect. If I can be of assistance in the future, please let me know. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 21:04, 15 July 2009 (UTC) No problem! What we had originally designed was a separate module page called "Content Articles." The students read and rated these articles; we calculated their ratings and determined the "winner." Once we had a winner, I just moved the links onto the main chapter page and technically deleted the module page called "Content Articles." I realize now that in the hierarchy of the link structure, "Content Articles" is still included. If I were to remove that part of the hierarchy, I would then have to re-post all of those articles onto new pages. In order to not totally rebuild the book throughout the semester, we would like to keep it this way. Is this going to be alright? Thanks again for your help and quick response! [[User:Jkauf007|Jkauf007]] ([[User talk:Jkauf007|talk]]) 01:04, 16 July 2009 (UTC) That sounds fine to me. You do have a second option. You could move the pages directly under the chapter name and request the "content articles" module be deleted. But that'd be about as much work as re-posting the articles. Whatever works best for you works for me. After all, it's you and your students' pride and joy. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 01:43, 16 July 2009 (UTC) Hello again, In Chapter 10, [[Foundations and Assessment of Education/Edition 1/Foundations Table of Contents/Chapter 10|'''Chapter 10 -- Effective Teaching''']] two of the articles were erased and are currently blank links; 10.3.1 and 10.4.1. When UI went to look at my old content page to replace them, it seems that the page has been erased. Is this correct? I need the two articles posted back, and it would be helpful if I could assess my old pages in case issues arise. Thank you for your assistance! [[User:Jkauf007|Jkauf007]] ([[User talk:Jkauf007|talk]]) 15:11, 23 July 2009 (UTC) : The only author of those pages, [[User:Mhanz001|Mhanz001]] had emptied them of content, qualifying them for speedy deletion. I have restored them at your request, but please let your students know that blanking a page they created is an implicit request for deletion. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 17:27, 23 July 2009 (UTC) == Language concepts == Dear Adrignola, I would like [[Computer Programming/Language concepts]] to be undeleted. (There is some discussion at [[Wikibooks:Votes for undeletion#Computer Programming/Language concepts]]). --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] ([[User talk:DavidCary|talk]]) 21:32, 22 July 2009 (UTC) == categorization of Spanish by Choice == Thanks for categorizing the pages of the "Spanish by Choice" book. I've seen that you stopped categorizing the templates. I think there are some dozens of them; all easily identified by the prefix "Sbc". Do you think it is necessary to categorize them? --[[User:Martin Kraus|Martin Kraus]] ([[User talk:Martin Kraus|talk]]) 08:32, 23 July 2009 (UTC) :Always happy to help. I wasn't aware that there were more templates. I will have to take care of the rest. It is not ''technically'' necessary to categorize them, but it cuts down on the listing at [[Special:UncategorizedTemplates]]. Doing this is less for categorizing templates specific to a book and more for categorizing templates that can be used by any book. I can see those templates in the aforementioned listing and categorize them so people will be able to find them browsing [[:Category:Templates]]. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 12:12, 23 July 2009 (UTC) == Removal of Single page version == As an editor I find it very useful to be able to manage all the content of the book in its fullness so to construct a well structured work because of this having an all pages version (similar to but not equal to the print version) is required as it can have the TOC enabled and doesn't require a copy o the GFDL...<br> Can you revert your last change to the [[Video Game Design]] ? Do you have any objections or a better solution to this issue? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 20:26, 28 July 2009 (UTC) PS: I haven't checked if it was due to any of your changes but the [[Video Game Design/Print version]] now doesn't include the GFDL text as it is required... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 20:28, 28 July 2009 (UTC) : The link to the all chapters page has been restored. If the book is licensed under the CC-BY-SA license, it won't need a copy of the GFDL in the print version, but the print version has it in there at this point. If it is licensed under CC-BY-SA, then your all chapters page will end up identical to the print version. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 20:48, 28 July 2009 (UTC) ::For what I understood of the licensing issue (I have attempted to clarify this recently) the works will be dual licensed (something that causes me confusion since I thought that the idea was to drop the GFDL altogether, but it is the text that contributors are now seeing on edits). This makes opting out of the GFDL impossible and so it continues to be a requirement that the license text be added to intended for print outputs. ::PS: Is there a Creative Commons Attribution/Share-Alike License 3.0 tag or one that reflects this new dual license reality (similar to the one used for the GFDL [[Video Game Design/Authors]]) ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 03:09, 29 July 2009 (UTC) :::{{tlx|cc-by-sa-3.0}} would be the tag you want or anything in [[:Category:Wikibooks copyleft templates]]. I've heard the Free Software Foundation wanted the dual-licensing, but I think the intention is to allow for the use of CC-BY-SA primarily by re-users. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 03:16, 29 July 2009 (UTC) == Catgraph == Just remewmbered that you could possibly not be aware of the tool [http://toolserver.org/~dapete/catgraph/ Catgraph] --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 00:59, 29 July 2009 (UTC) : Thanks for pointing that out. It's interesting to play with. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 02:32, 29 July 2009 (UTC) == "Good site" bots == Hi Aaron, The edit you reverted to [[XQuery/Uptime monitor]] earlier today fits the pattern of what we call the "Good site, admin" bot. Typically, these bots replace a section of a book with some sort of lame compliment. When I see these, I block them indefinitely and log their IP's on [[User talk:Mike.lifeguard#.22Good_site.2C_admin.22_bot|Mike's talk page]] so he can block them on other wikis. I do not leave messages for them either, as it is completely pointless since the bots don't (and can't) read. Be on the lookout! --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 17:28, 29 July 2009 (UTC) : Looking at your blocks today, they use a pretty wide range of IPs. Pretty nefarious. If it had been several edits by the same IP I might have noticed the pattern, but as it was I was fooled into thinking this was your standard vandal. I will have to keep this in mind in the future. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 17:53, 29 July 2009 (UTC) == Mass Import Request == Could you import the following for me? The list is on my User Page. [[User:Arlen22]] If you don't really feel into it you could give me import permission or whatever is required. [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 17:58, 29 July 2009 (UTC) :Well, I can't just give it to you. There has to be a [[Wikibooks:Requests for permissions|request for permissions]]. That'd probably take a while since things go slowly here, so I'll bring those pages in just as soon as I can. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 18:01, 29 July 2009 (UTC) ::Thanks. I could do a mass copy and paste with iMacros but I would still have to worry about the history if I did that. I will try to get Admin status before I do the NGC index! That is unless you are ready to spend a while importing 7000+ pages! How does the transwiki thing work anyway? [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 18:20, 29 July 2009 (UTC) ::[[Help:Transwiki]] provides a general overview and [[Wikibooks:Requests for Import]] provides specific procedures people can follow. You don't actually have to be an administrator to import. There is an "importers" group; there's just nobody in it. There could be a first time... -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 18:48, 29 July 2009 (UTC) == New Layout == I am wondering what you think of this. I have it all figured out. *First is the Library. *Under that are sections *Within those are sub-sections and subjects *Within the subjects are books. Does that sound right. The current system is worse than the bookshelves. [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 13:14, 30 July 2009 (UTC) For instance, look at the Computing Major Subject, it has 2 layers below it of subjects (at least). --[[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 13:21, 30 July 2009 (UTC) Towards that end a library name-space would be good. Unless we want to do something like this: [[Wikibooks:Library/Computing/Software]] [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 13:25, 30 July 2009 (UTC) I talked to [[User:Darklama]] and he did not like my Idea other then the Library part of it. So I made a library page. [[Wikibooks:Library]] --[[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 18:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC) :Further discussion can occur in the [[Wikibooks:Reading room/General|reading room]] where people you've contacted have already started to post responses. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 20:19, 30 July 2009 (UTC) I do want somewhere where all the pages about subject vs. bookshelf can be archived. Shall I do that in the library archives of another subfolder? I appreciate your input. --[[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 21:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC) :After a discussion in the reading room has not been posted to for a month, it is moved to the [[Special:PrefixIndex/Wikibooks:Reading_room/Archive|archives]] by a robot. So there's nothing you need to do but sit back and rest assured that all comments will be preserved for posterity. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 22:41, 30 July 2009 (UTC) I mean in one place. [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 22:47, 30 July 2009 (UTC) :How about [[Reading room/Archives/Your Title Here]]? -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 22:51, 30 July 2009 (UTC) pmqi8230ydoj5goreyiiyyu1ho05lu2 3 207061 4654215 1678067 2026-07-12T18:09:04Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654215 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talkarchive}} == Categorization stuff == In response to a few of my questions that came up in the reading room, I have gone through all pages generated a list of books, more or less by hand. I was planning to work my way through this and see which books were missing subject/DCC/LOC/Alphabetization tags. Anything I come across I am just going to add empty tags to, and thereby populate the appropriate maintenance categories. Somehow I thought you'd like to know to check these lists every so often, and I will probably not start sorting out these until I am done populating the lists. Somehow this seemed better to me then trying to put things into subjects quickly, and possibly making mistakes. I have a thought about one of the issues I raised in the reading room about the Orphaned page list. I think most (and maybe eventually all) books will be linked from the Category that contains the pages of their books, so I am not entirely sure even if we get rid of bookshelves that there would be any problem with this list. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 11:44, 2 August 2009 (UTC) :That's right! They will be linked from their category and then be removed from the orphaned page list. I had completely forgotten about that. I think your plan for putting empty tags on is fine, as the pages would otherwise only show up in Alphabetical. I did a bit of work trimming the orphaned page list yesterday and will likely continue to work on that while you do this. The good news is that we've cleared uncategorized categories and pages. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 13:27, 2 August 2009 (UTC) :: Yeah, I will be interested to see how many books end up not having alphabetical tags. There may be has many as 200-300 hundred depending on the number of soft redirects that exist. (At least that is the magnitude of the difference between the number of books on my list and the number give by {{tlx|NUMBEROFBOOKS}}. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 16:17, 2 August 2009 (UTC) == Infoboxes == Your recent changes to {{tlx|infobox}} and to the related css has caused all the [[Special:PrefixIndex/Infobox/|old infoboxes]] to display nothing. That is why someone created {{tlx|infobox2}} for templates imported from Wikipedia. I think the template needs to be restored to its original state or all the old infoboxes deleted. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 17:48, 2 August 2009 (UTC) :I think the old infoboxes should be deleted since they no longer operate correctly anyway. The old code has been restored, however, since I do not desire to delete them all without support from others. I don't think it was a smart move to deviate such a highly-used template from its original form as imported from Wikipedia (the oldest revisions match up with Wikipedia's template history). -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 18:03, 2 August 2009 (UTC) :: Maybe the template wasn't as highly used back when Wikibooks first used it. I know you imported its revision history so its hard to tell for sure where the local history beings now... --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 18:08, 2 August 2009 (UTC) :::Well that would explain the oldest revisions matching up. Don't I feel embarrassed for forgetting. The current infobox could be updated for the current Wikibooks structure and placed at a new name and infobox2 moved to the old location, if we wanted to avoid confusion. Assuming the functionality infobox provides is still desired. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 18:19, 2 August 2009 (UTC) I've noticed that [[Template:Mbox|mbox]]es no longer have visible borders. (Recall that besides providing visual coherence, those borders are color-coded.) Might this have been caused by the above-mentioned css tinkering? --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 18:29, 2 August 2009 (UTC) :They still have colors when I view them. The "message box types" on [[Template:Mbox]] have grey borders and a color splotch on the left, and the image message boxes have a colored border and a color splotch on the bottom. That's how I've always seen them. I cleared my cache and they still look that way. Darklama removed the duplicate code for infoboxes and none of it should have affected the mboxes in the first place. They use class "messagebox" and not "infobox". -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 18:34, 2 August 2009 (UTC) ::Well, that made it seem likely that the problem was on my end, so I did some poking around. Not exactly on my end, apparently &mdash; the problem occurs for me only, and consistently, on the secure server. I don't know exactly how long the problem has been there, because it's been a few days since I last visited a page that would show it; it could be just since this morning, or anytime in the last few days (but I'm fairly certain I visited one of those pages sometime earlier this week). --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 21:26, 2 August 2009 (UTC) :::I'm not familiar with this secure server you refer to, but I'm glad we've determined that it's not something affecting everyone. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 22:39, 2 August 2009 (UTC) ::::<span class="plainlinks">[https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikibooks/en/wiki/Main_Page https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikibooks/en/wiki/Main_Page]</span> ::::On the login page (that I see, anyway) for&nbsp; {{nowrap|<code>en.wikipedia.org</code>}}&nbsp; (but not&nbsp; {{nowrap|<code>en.wikibooks.org</code>}}), under '''Secure your account:''', the first bulleted item is :::::*Consider logging in on the <span class="plainlinks">[https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin secure server]</span>. ::::The secure server can be used to access all the projects, but interwiki links from inside the secure server &mdash; such as the sister-project links at the bottom of the main page &mdash; don't go to the secure server, so using it exclusively requires a certain amount of stubbornness (which, as it happens, I have). --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 00:08, 3 August 2009 (UTC) ::::... and the problem has disappeared. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 00:14, 3 August 2009 (UTC) :::::I hate it when that happens. I'll probably still use the regular server because it seems faster to me (which starts to add up with as many edits as I make when doing maintenance). -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 00:18, 3 August 2009 (UTC) I made the problem disappear by using the full address rather than relative addresses for @imports in the css file. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 01:23, 3 August 2009 (UTC) == BTEC Applied Science forum == Adrignola, Please could you restore the forum page for the book? I haven't done any work on the book lately but hope to change that. The forum had a very long list of discussions from other sites which teachers of the course would find useful. [[User:Ewen|Ewen]] ([[User talk:Ewen|talk]]) 11:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC) :Sorry about that. The page appeared to not be used by the book. Taking a closer look, I see why. It was linked to with an absolute link as if it were an external site from the book's table of contents. Thus, it showed up in the orphaned pages list. I've restored the page and also fixed the table of contents link so that the page properly shows up as being linked to. I apologize for any inconvenience. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 11:51, 3 August 2009 (UTC) ::No worries. Thanks. [[User:Ewen|Ewen]] ([[User talk:Ewen|talk]]) 12:00, 3 August 2009 (UTC) == [[How to use a Bullworker]] == I've already notified the user who tagged the page [[User_talk:Sigma_7#How_to_use_a_Bullworker here]].--[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] ([[User talk:Launchballer|talk]]) 07:42, 2 August 2009 (UTC) :On [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/File:Bullworker_(chapter_one,_page_three).png this] it says Copyright 1980, can you check this? (I suspect its under copyright) [[User:Geoff Plourde|Geoff Plourde]] ([[User talk:Geoff Plourde|talk]]) 18:49, 4 August 2009 (UTC) ::It seems Launchballer is requesting licensing information [http://forum.bullworker.com/forum-en/request-copyright here], but unless I see otherwise, this is a copyright violation. Labeling the images public domain doesn't fly with me either because I haven't seen a statement by the company stating such and the works are not old enough to go PD due to age. The clock is ticking before these are deleted. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 18:54, 4 August 2009 (UTC) == [[2 Button Mens Suits]] == Can you delete this article. It has no meaningful content and seems to be spammy. [[User:Geoff Plourde|Geoff Plourde]] ([[User talk:Geoff Plourde|talk]]) 18:26, 3 August 2009 (UTC) <br><s> :I have toned down the links and provided 2 other alternatives. In any case the page does have content that shouldn't be lost, talking with the page creator and educating him seems more productive, I also think the page should be renamed (haven't searched for other works that could use the content). --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 19:21, 3 August 2009 (UTC) :Check the page history if the 3 contributors that attempted to flood the page with the same link are identical or from the same range a block of the most recent ones should be considered as the action demonstrates bad faith. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 19:25, 3 August 2009 (UTC)</s> :I've initiated a VFD so to address the conflicting views and avoid the speedy. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 19:34, 3 August 2009 (UTC) :Shouldn't the the accounts suspected of being sockpuppets used with the clearly abusive intention not be targeted for administrative action (if really under the same IP, get an indefinite block) and the primary notified and warned not to do it again? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 01:45, 4 August 2009 (UTC) ::I have no idea what you are talking about, no offense. Generally, sockpuppets would have to be confirmed by a CheckUser like Mike.lifeguard before action can be taken. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 01:48, 4 August 2009 (UTC) :::If you can still take a look into the edit history of the page one user created and added the "spam" link, another 2 accounts have edited the same page and added the same link to the that page (IIRC I checked one of them and that was the only edit made, that is why I made that note above ''"Check the page history if the 3 contributors that attempted to flood the page with the same link are identical or from the same range a block of the most recent ones should be considered as the action demonstrates bad faith."'' (and later moved it to the VFD discussion). Not a big issue but this can be hard to detect (due to the time lag used and multiple accounts). I think [[User:Geoff Plourde|Geoff Plourde ]] only noted that activity because of the tag of query that was later removed. :::Dealing with this issues will also help in case of collision in user names later on. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 02:25, 4 August 2009 (UTC) ::::I posted a note on Mike.lifeguard's page for a follow-up to this. Stay tuned. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 02:36, 4 August 2009 (UTC) == [[Foundations of Education and Instructional Assesment]] == Spoke to Pbaker of Old Dominion, he said that this is redundant and can be deleted. Thanks ( [[User:Geoff Plourde|Geoff Plourde]] ([[User talk:Geoff Plourde|talk]]) 02:18, 4 August 2009 (UTC) :[[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] '''Done''' -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 02:37, 4 August 2009 (UTC) == C++ Orphaned pages == Can you please move the list in the page [[C++ Programming/Editor's Chapters needing work]] (bottom) above the line <!-- Add (Orphan) Chapters/Pages to the list above this line --->. Thanks, I would do it myself but as it is a signed post...<br> As for the "this book is dead due to immaturity" comment, the book is not dead... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 20:47, 4 August 2009 (UTC) :The list of orphans has been moved. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 22:43, 4 August 2009 (UTC) == [[Cookbook:Zucchine ripiene]] == Found this in the Revewing pool, please shoot at earliest convenience [[User:Geoff Plourde|Geoff Plourde]] ([[User talk:Geoff Plourde|talk]]) 21:25, 4 August 2009 (UTC) :[[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] '''Done''' -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 22:44, 4 August 2009 (UTC) == Delete this page posts == I noted that you made this posts on the All Chapter and Print Version and noted by the first time that these pages are now included on the Category "Pages where template include size is exceeded" is this a new thing what made this happen ? I note also that the Ada Programming also is listed there (also a huge book) and I had envisioned using this system in another two books that I've been working out. It is a major help (to me it didn't/doesn't take more that 12 seconds to load the C++ Programming page) and is used there to generate the PDF file (so the book that use it, or intend to support such features will be highly impacted in their usefulness). What can be done ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 01:20, 5 August 2009 (UTC) :[[Help:Collections]] seems to imply that you can specify the many pages of a book individually and it will coalesce them together into a PDF when you select that as the output file. I'm not too familiar with it, but I would imagine you could use this to generate the PDF and when people want to print, they can print each of the chapter print versions (which will actually load all their transcluded templates) in turn. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 01:25, 5 August 2009 (UTC) ::This implies that the automation will be broken and increases (with a high chance of probability) that something will be missing from those print versions (on the C++ Programming I will try to negotiate with the most stable parts of the book). For now I will replace the pages with a note to users (since most people will not understand the category tag and can get to print the incomplete version, I will also add a note on the Ada book to the same effect). I had a message from someone that was marrowing the C++ programming in a local install of the Wikimedia software. I'll try to contact him to see if I understand what happened/was changed... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 01:34, 5 August 2009 (UTC) ::The book was not using [[Help:Collections]] to generate the PDFs but [http://dash-of-pepper.com/wikitype/ WikiType] that has a more user friendly interface to generate the PDF. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 01:38, 5 August 2009 (UTC) == Excluding templates from print versions == I gather you've been looking for a way to include a navbox-type template in content pages only when they are viewed directly, leaving out the navbox when the content pages are transcluded into a print version? (At least, that's what I imagined to be your motivation when, a while back, I noticed you trying some such experiment at Wikijunior:Languages, which has all those obnoxious explicit noincludes on the content pages.) So I was wondering what you'd think of this technique: In slowly gearing up to add automatic print-version generation to the Template:Navlist suite, I've set up {{tlx|Navlist/Top}} and {{tlx|Navlist/Bottom}} so that they wrap everything in :<code><nowiki>{{#ifeq:{{SUBPAGENAME}}|Print version|| ... }}</nowiki></code> &mdash; omitting the navboxes just from pages with that subpagename. It ''is'' then a bit fussy to generate wiki markup that involves pipes and such; I actually didn't bother, just used html TABLE instead, although I know there are a bunch of templates for generating wiki markup in just this sort of situation. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 13:35, 5 August 2009 (UTC) :That's a good idea. I have some templates I will integrate that into. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 17:33, 5 August 2009 (UTC) == [[This quantum world]] == Would it be ok for me to move this to This Quantum World, which would appear to be the correct title? [[User:Geoff Plourde|Geoff Plourde]] ([[User talk:Geoff Plourde|talk]]) 19:17, 5 August 2009 (UTC) :There are 51 subpages though. An admin can move those all at once, but you'd have to do so individually. If you're up to it, go ahead. Otherwise I can do so later today in one go when I have a chance. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 21:12, 5 August 2009 (UTC) ::OK, thanks for doing it! [[Special:Contributions/75.111.20.112|75.111.20.112]] ([[User talk:75.111.20.112|talk]]) 02:38, 6 August 2009 (UTC) :::Is that you, Geoff? :P -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 02:42, 6 August 2009 (UTC) ::::Yes, I believe it is. [[User:Geoff Plourde|Geoff Plourde]] ([[User talk:Geoff Plourde|talk]]) 18:56, 6 August 2009 (UTC) == Template changes == Well then, apparently you haven't considered people with JavaScript turned off, or those who get "A Runtime Error has occurred / Object doesn't support this property or method"! Wikis are supposed to be a text-based site, not a Web 2.0 app. -- [[User:Jokes Free4Me|Jokes Free4Me]] ([[User talk:Jokes Free4Me|talk]]) 13:51, 7 August 2009 (UTC) :I do use a modern browser, but in case you haven't heard, all such "modern browsers" have allowed user access to an options page, where they can enable/disable stuff according to their own agenda. And even if i were to use lynx, why do you want to keep content hidden from non-state-of-the-art users? :Also, "Web 2.0 sites often feature a rich, user-friendly interface based on Ajax" -- can you tell the difference between ''often'' and ''always''? :Third, do show me a page in the Muggles' Guide that includes a picture (and not an iconic picture). And anyway, multimedia does not mean dynamic, and doesn't require JS. :Lastly, i do have JS on, but apparently the code you're advocating is not bug-free. Do fix '''that''' before pushing it forth to thousands/millions of viewers. I wonder if you (or anyone else) have tested it on microbrowsers before deploying... -- [[User:Jokes Free4Me|Jokes Free4Me]] ([[User talk:Jokes Free4Me|talk]]) 14:08, 7 August 2009 (UTC) Sorry about the timing, but i just noticed this now, when i needed to check the name of a chapter and didn't see it anywhere. If you look in my contribs, you'll see a large gap between March 1st and July 28th. :-| -- [[User:Jokes Free4Me|Jokes Free4Me]] ([[User talk:Jokes Free4Me|talk]]) 14:13, 7 August 2009 (UTC) :Also, i'm not 100% positive it's in the {{template|displaytitle}}. I've been getting a similar error on random pages (e.g., Chazz's talk page, but not yours); any suggestions on how to debug it (if i free up some time to look into what's wrong)? -- [[User:Jokes Free4Me|Jokes Free4Me]] ([[User talk:Jokes Free4Me|talk]]) 14:19, 7 August 2009 (UTC) I'm not that interested in a PDF version, since it's most likely huge and i usually have internet access, so i can check the most up-to-date version in the environment that i am very familiar with. Does the PDF include internal links? I'll try to check Fx and see if i can reproduce the issues and find out what causes them. Also, about the code in question, i am not sure i completely get it. The way i see it, "#ifeq" will have three parameters, value to compare against, "then" branch, and "else" branch. Well, if i read it right, why would the "else" branch worry about print issues, when it's supposed to not be related to the "print version"? -- [[User:Jokes Free4Me|Jokes Free4Me]] ([[User talk:Jokes Free4Me|talk]]) 14:46, 7 August 2009 (UTC) :Then the "printonly" div in the previous revisions was pretty much useless, and if i now change that "else" branch, the changes will only show online, and will not have any effect on the PDF, right? -- [[User:Jokes Free4Me|Jokes Free4Me]] ([[User talk:Jokes Free4Me|talk]]) 14:58, 7 August 2009 (UTC) ::Thanks for explaining. I believe i have found the culprit: "hasAttribute" hasn't been supported in IE before version 8, and my current environment only has IE7 and Fx (which sadly crashes from time to time, so i avoid it). The "unsafe" line of code comes from [[MediaWiki:Common.js/Displaytitle.js]] itself though... What do you think could be done about this? -- [[User:Jokes Free4Me|Jokes Free4Me]] ([[User talk:Jokes Free4Me|talk]]) 15:35, 7 August 2009 (UTC) :Yes, it has improved, but only partially: no longer "Object doesn't support this property or method" in line 12, now it's "'Node' is undefined" in line 37. -- [[User:Jokes Free4Me|Jokes Free4Me]] ([[User talk:Jokes Free4Me|talk]]) 17:29, 7 August 2009 (UTC) == Can't move page... == I was attempting to move [[C++ Programming/Enumerations]] (one of the orphans you found) to [[C++ Programming/Variables/emun]] but can't even get the normal move page. I get the No target page, stating that "You have not specified a target page or user to perform this function on." but I'm not given the page to enter it. A temporary problem within Wikimedia ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 02:54, 7 August 2009 (UTC) :Must have been. I had no problems moving it. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 02:57, 7 August 2009 (UTC) ::Txs... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 03:26, 7 August 2009 (UTC) ::My bad, it should have been enum not emun (as in enumeration). <s>Still can't move and have now tested it again with FF in a Virtual Machine running Linux (with no add-ons) and on anther machine...</s> ::I have found the issue, if using the classic skin (the second on the list) in the user prefs, Wikibookians can't move pages. Can you re-check it and post this bug where appropriate ? (I've tested it here again by reversing the skins and attempting a new rename). --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 03:59, 7 August 2009 (UTC) :::I tried using the classic skin and had no problem moving a page in my user space. I can't reproduce it.-- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 12:27, 7 August 2009 (UTC) ::::Ok reduced it to the books with ++ in the name (testes it with pages in the C++ Programming book and Understanding C++). So using the classic skin in the user prefs, Wikibookians can't move pages from books that have "++" in the name (probably only one would break it).<br>This should be related somehow with the fix so Wikimedia can support those chars on page names. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 19:41, 7 August 2009 (UTC) == Cleanup on aisle 12 == <s>Last night some vandals decided to celebrate. Please block [[User:Alec Tgint]] (vandalism) and 117.197.201.89 (spam). Also please delete [[About sex]], [[obscenity]], [[Jean-Claude Rodet]], and [[All free software downloads website]]. [[User:Geoff Plourde|Geoff Plourde]] ([[User talk:Geoff Plourde|talk]]) 08:24, 8 August 2009 (UTC)</s> :Never mind, az got it [[User:Geoff Plourde|Geoff Plourde]] ([[User talk:Geoff Plourde|talk]]) 08:28, 8 August 2009 (UTC) ::However, [[A-level Applied Science/Energy Transfer Systems/Respiration]] and [[A-level Biology/Central Concepts/Populations and interactions]] need to go [[User:Geoff Plourde|Geoff Plourde]] ([[User talk:Geoff Plourde|talk]]) 20:03, 8 August 2009 (UTC) :::Taken care of, now that I'm conscious. :) -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 20:59, 8 August 2009 (UTC) == A Wonderful Indian History == Closed the VfD for this, just a heads up [[User:Geoff Plourde|Geoff Plourde]] ([[User talk:Geoff Plourde|talk]]) 03:56, 9 August 2009 (UTC) : I don't understand the VfD discussion for "A Wonderful Indian History". Our [[Wikibooks:Deletion policy]] requires us to reach some sort of "consensus" before deleting a Wikibook listed on [[Wikibooks:Votes for deletion]], right? : I see 3 commenters in favor of "not deleting immediately", and 1 commenter in favor of deleting -- the same commenter who then deleted that Wikibook. That doesn't look like a consensus to delete to me. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] ([[User talk:DavidCary|talk]]) 03:19, 10 August 2009 (UTC) :You should read the comments more closely. They were only keep because, at the time, the page was recently created. The page was then queried for over a week. With no activity since creation and no meaningful content added, it qualified for a speedy deletion. Also take a look at when the discussion started, when the comments were posted, and then finally when the page was actually deleted. Had you actually taken a look at what this page contained? A single sentence hardly warrants a full-blown VfD discussion. Had it started as a {{tlx|delete}} and been changed to a {{tlx|vfd}} it might have been different. As it was I felt enough time had passed to see if it would develop further; the author had been notified via a query; and comments against were not related to the book but rather the timing of the nomination. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 12:54, 10 August 2009 (UTC) == [[Sample Syllabus]] == Please delete [[User:Geoff Plourde|Geoff Plourde]] ([[User talk:Geoff Plourde|talk]]) 16:04, 10 August 2009 (UTC) :Wow! You must be psychic!!! [[User:Geoff Plourde|Geoff Plourde]] ([[User talk:Geoff Plourde|talk]]) 16:05, 10 August 2009 (UTC) == Categories of the [[Songbook]] == You delete some categories of the "Songbook". But the Songbook needs much more categories. In the German version of the Songbook there are around 30 subcategories some are made for a guitar-course, outer are for the kind of song. [http://de.wikibooks.org/wiki/Kategorie:Liederbuch http://de.wikibooks.org/wiki/Kategorie:Liederbuch] * American-Folk * Ballads * Child song * Christmas songs * Classical music * Folk-Songs * Guitar Course * Gospel * Hawaii Music * Hymn * Instrumental * Irish-Folk * Latin * New Song * proofreading * Song accompaniment * Songs * Songs by genre * Songs without genre * Swing * Tablature * Christmas songs * Songs by language ** Songs in German ** Songs in English ** Songs in French ** Hawaiian songs ** Songs in Hebrew ** Creole songs ** Songs in Spanish As you can surely imagine, these categories for a song book are very meaningful. These Songbook is not only made for itself. It is also a reference for outer book-projects that may be started. Could you help me to establish the right categories or help me by finding a workable solution, because I'm not familiar with the habits of the English wikibooks. And my English is definitely not the best one.--[[User:Mjchael|Mjchael]] ([[User talk:Mjchael|talk]]) 19:32, 10 August 2009 (UTC) :If these are needed, they should be of the name Songbook/American-Folk and Songbook/Ballads to indicate they are specific to a book rather than general categories that books are filed in. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 19:18, 10 August 2009 (UTC) :: Thank you, I will keep it! --[[User:Mjchael|Mjchael]] ([[User talk:Mjchael|talk]]) 19:33, 10 August 2009 (UTC) :::I've created the first few for you for Auld Lang Syne. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 19:42, 10 August 2009 (UTC) == Bullworker (cont.) == I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it seems the clock has run out on this. There still is no proof of PD being applicable and a preponderance that it is still under copyright. [[User:Geoff Plourde|Geoff Plourde]] ([[User talk:Geoff Plourde|talk]]) 19:24, 10 August 2009 (UTC) :I'd have to agree. Written confirmation that the original copyright owner of the text in the scanned manual has released it into the public domain must be provided. Bullworker may fall under trademark law, but the manual falls under copyright law. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 21:09, 10 August 2009 (UTC) ::What about the main page for it? Should it go too? [[User:Geoff Plourde|Geoff Plourde]] ([[User talk:Geoff Plourde|talk]]) 21:15, 10 August 2009 (UTC) :::Indeed. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 01:41, 11 August 2009 (UTC) == Upgrate of the Todo-Template == pleas check [[Template_talk:Todo#Suggestion]]! --[[User:Mjchael|Mjchael]] ([[User talk:Mjchael|talk]]) 17:41, 13 August 2009 (UTC) == Archiving [[WB:VFD]] == Hello, When you archive discussion on VFD, can you please leave the header linked to the page/book/whatever and archive that header in the subpage rather than leaving it on the main page? Thank you &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:12, 21 August 2009 (UTC) == My mergeto pages == Was the non deletion of the redirects left behind intentional ? I was going to re-tag the pages as speedy but maybe you had some other idea... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 19:54, 21 August 2009 (UTC) :It was. The pages were still linked to. If you can correct all the links to the redirects to point to the destination pages, the redirects can be deleted. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 20:01, 21 August 2009 (UTC) :I examined only one and the links seemed only to be due to trasnclusion of your post on the orphans. I'll check all in detail then and report to you then... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 20:04, 21 August 2009 (UTC) ::[[C++ Programming/Arrays]], [[C++ Programming/Multi-Paradigm]] are ok for deletion (no relevant links to be fixed, removing for the orphan list would fix any of the remaining references). --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 20:14, 21 August 2009 (UTC) :::Taken care of. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 20:15, 21 August 2009 (UTC) == A Wonderful Indian History == I still don't understand the VfD discussion for "A Wonderful Indian History". I carefully read, as you suggested at [[User_talk:Adrignola/2009/08#A_Wonderful_Indian_History]], the comments at [[Wikibooks:Votes for deletion/A Wonderful Indian History]]. I count exactly one (1) person in favor of deleting. Our [[Wikibooks:Deletion policy]] requires us to reach some sort of "consensus" before deleting a Wikibook listed on Wikibooks:Votes for deletion. Last time I checked, one (1) person was not a consensus. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] ([[User talk:DavidCary|talk]]) 10:22, 22 August 2009 (UTC) :The page was queried for over a week and had no meaningful content. Comments made stated that it was too soon to discuss its deletion. When it was finally deleted, it was nearly two weeks and nothing was heard from the original author and nothing was added to the page. Yes, it was listed on Votes for Deletion. However, VFDs have been closed as speedy deletes before should the book meet the criteria. Further, the person who put it on the VFD page just saw the tag on it and felt obligated to start a discussion to correspond with the tag. However, a later edit by the person who originally put a VFD tag on there changed it to a query, leading me to believe the VFD discussion was not originally intended. I frankly don't think you've seen the "book" in question given your insistence on a full-blown VFD discussion for two short sentences. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 11:54, 22 August 2009 (UTC) == Chess pages == Hi, Please stop deleting pages in Chess/ just because they are orphaned does NOT mean they are not used. We now have many dead links from wikipedia pages. So many will have to go recreate them. e.g [[w: Indian Defence]] links to [[Chess/Indian_Defense]]. 23:35, 21 August 2009 (UTC) :: BTW the claim on the page deletion that they are orphaned redirect'' is also incorrect. They are all linked within wikibooks from [[Talk:Chess/Index_of_chess_topics]] [[User:SunCreator|SunCreator]] ([[User talk:SunCreator|talk]]) 23:41, 21 August 2009 (UTC) :::Thanks for you help with much of the moving of pages from 'Opening theory in chess' to 'Chess Opening Theory'. Great that you make many changes even if a few mistakes. Regards, [[User:SunCreator|SunCreator]] ([[User talk:SunCreator|talk]]) 01:15, 22 August 2009 (UTC) ::::The move created a great deal of double redirects, which I did try to correct. It seemed to me that the page you referenced was severely out of date, linking to incorrectly placed pages (not following naming convention). ::::If Wikipedia is linking to pages on Wikibooks, I find it odd that redirects were created and the Wikipedia linked to the redirects, rather than Wikipedia linked to the destination page in the first place. Linking to a page created as a redirect means a single page move (as was the case in the book's renaming) causes all the links to that redirect to not work since they are double redirects. This would be something to keep in mind. I am sorry for any inconvenience, however. I can see about fixing links on Wikipedia now that you've pointed this out; they need to be fixed due to the move anyway. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 02:47, 22 August 2009 (UTC) ::::::Hi, no /Chess/Page redirects where not out of date. They where in use and correct until book renamed. All they required was link updating with new book name. Anyway seems lot of effort for removal of a few redirect pages. But as it is partly done a full list of wikipedia chess pages are found at [[w:Index_of_chess_articles#Opening_articles]]. [[User:SunCreator|SunCreator]] ([[User talk:SunCreator|talk]]) 13:59, 22 August 2009 (UTC) I've gone through the list and corrected all the links in the articles, including the links to the Chess/ pages. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 21:22, 22 August 2009 (UTC) == Thanks == Thank you for supporting me in my reviewer request. [[User:Moby-Dick4000|Moby-Dick4000]] ([[User talk:Moby-Dick4000|talk]]) 00:42, 24 August 2009 (UTC) == Rotational motion == Sorry, I thought that GFDL didn't require such attribution. I think that the content is most appropriate for [[High school physics]] but that there is definitely enough possible content for a [[Rotational Motion]] book (right now it is just scattered throughout Wikibooks). I was just trying to get the ball rolling on such a book by duplicating the content.--[[User:Jorfer|Jorfer]] ([[User talk:Jorfer|talk]]) 21:35, 24 August 2009 (UTC) :From looking at request for import, it would seem that only an entire article should be transferred this way rather than one section. The change occurred [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Precession&diff=prev&oldid=99258185 here] and no changes to that section since the new licensing was implemented meaning the content is under GFDL only. I looked up at the new [[wikimedia:Terms of Use]] and found that GFDL only material was off-limits but creative-commons only material was within limits. Why it this? Either they are compatible or not unless there is some weird clause governing additional terms in one and not the other.--[[User:Jorfer|Jorfer]] ([[User talk:Jorfer|talk]]) 04:23, 26 August 2009 (UTC) ::Either? You can choose? Don't you mean both. How can you revoke a license once it has been granted like with previous GFDL only contributions?--[[User:Jorfer|Jorfer]] ([[User talk:Jorfer|talk]]) 04:56, 26 August 2009 (UTC) :::I read the terms of use as listed above, but it seems to contradict [http://www.gnu.org/licenses/fdl-1.3-faq.html FDL 1.3 FAQ] as the FAQ says that they can only be licensed under either until August 1, 2009 (I get now that it is not revoking the GFDL license to change the license to Creative Commons Share Alike: it is simply invoking the Creative Commons Clause). Does that mean that mean that instead of being licensed under either that edits since August 1 are licensed under both?--[[User:Jorfer|Jorfer]] ([[User talk:Jorfer|talk]]) 22:36, 26 August 2009 (UTC) ::::Thanks. I remember voting on the issue, but I didn't understand the issue in depth. It is pretty complicated. I wish I was better notified of this. The wiki pages do a poor job of covering it with information scattered among different pages and a lack of explanations.--[[User:Jorfer|Jorfer]] ([[User talk:Jorfer|talk]]) 02:05, 27 August 2009 (UTC) 370xv648u9kx8qhli40r29khczfv3pk 3 207350 4654247 1606233 2026-07-12T18:30:57Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654247 wikitext text/x-wiki <[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 26|older]] [[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 28|newer]]> {{Talkarchive}} {{-}} == Still Blank == Are the pages: *[[Social Ballroom]] *[[Living in Japan]] *[[Creating a phpBB3 forum]] Not needed? --'''[[User:Climax Void|<span style="color:red">Climax</span>]] [[User talk:Climax Void|<span style="color:gold">Void</span>]]''' [[Special:Contributions/Climax Void|<font size="3"><span style="color:red">☭</span></span>]]. :Thanks, fixed. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:32, 2 April 2009 (UTC) == undelete "544444445" == undelete [[544444445]] :The user, {{user|204.69.115.45}}, who posted the above demand does not seem to have had any input into any book of that name; in addition, it seems he has created a book named [[12]] which probably should be speedy deleted. Apart from that, he has been sprinkling <nowiki>{{stub}}</nowiki> templates around pretty widely... and he seems to have dropped a <nowiki>{{vfd}}</nowiki> on the VFD discussion page, of all things. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 18:02, 2 April 2009 (UTC) ::Yeah, I blocked the IP for a bit & cleaned up after them. I was almost certain this was an old miscreant, but it looks not under closer inspection. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:25, 2 April 2009 (UTC) == Removal and move == Hi, I've made a new (approved) design for a page in [[The GIMP]] book, but now I'm unable to move the page over the created redirect (though it is supposed to work, maybe I misunderstood). Could you please remove [[The_GIMP/Toolbox]] and move [[User:Soeb/Sandbox 1]] over it? Thanks, [[User:Soeb|Soeb]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User_talk:Soeb|talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Soeb|contribs]]</sup> 17:21, 3 April 2009 (UTC) :{{done}}&nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:25, 3 April 2009 (UTC) :: Thank you very much. [[User:Soeb|Soeb]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User_talk:Soeb|talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Soeb|contribs]]</sup> 20:42, 3 April 2009 (UTC) == Java Swing 003 == About the file [[:File:JavaSwing0003.png]] . I made that file. It has no copy rights, any one can use it for any purpose. Whats that fair use rationale or what ever? Why are you making writing articles so complex? [[User:A.K.Karthikeyan]] :Sorry - the image is not eligible for copyright anyways. I've marked it as such. Please see [[WB:MEDIA]] for why this kind of thing is important. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:17, 7 April 2009 (UTC) == Uploading images == Hi- I've been writing a book on [Using the 3D Connexion SDK], and I wanted to add some images. I don't have the right to do this. Can I, and if so, how can I, get the right to upload images? (It is time-based, do I need to re-confirm my email or is there some other condition?) Thanks! [[User:TDN169|TDN169]] ([[User talk:TDN169|talk]]) 15:52, 11 April 2009 (UTC) Ah- it's alright- I just found it - 4 days. Fair Enough. :Please read [[WB:MEDIA]] and ask if you have questions. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC) == Methods Manual for Salt Lake Studies == Hi Mike, Someone has put a new temperature correction into a page in the Methods Manual for Salt Lake Studies at http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Methods_Manual_for_Salt_Lake_Studies/Salinity/measuring_brine_density and I would like to check with them how they obtained the curve, so I can evaluate it against the pre-existing formula (eg what r-squared does it have, etc). It may be that we should present the two formulas with their r-squared s so that folk can decide which one is more useful. Also, it may be nice for the contributor to pop their name up the top of the page, in the space for authors... My problem is that the user has a number but not a talk page and I am not sure how to get in touch. Could you assist? [[User:Peri Coleman|Peri Coleman]] ([[User talk:Peri Coleman|talk]]) 01:38, 14 April 2009 (UTC) :You can write on the talk page for the IP - if they come back, they'll see the message like normal. Beyond that, there's nothing you or I can do. Hopefully they will come back, and maybe even register an account. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:18, 14 April 2009 (UTC) Ta, Mike. I have written on the IP talk page and will wait and see whether they come back. If I don't hear anything in a week or two, I may remove the new formula to the discussion page and revert to the old one, until I can track down the derivation of the new formula. Is this an acceptable approach , do you think, or too authoritarian? Regards [[User:Peri Coleman|Peri Coleman]] ([[User talk:Peri Coleman|talk]]) 04:37, 17 April 2009 (UTC) :Content has to be verifiable - if it's not then moving it elsewhere until it can be verified seems sensible to me. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:01, 17 April 2009 (UTC) ==Decision paragraph== [http://uk.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=2491712&oldid=2468799 This] resembles a confirmation request. But I could be wrong, since I do not read Українська. --[[User:M7|M7]] ([[User talk:M7|talk]]) 18:08, 29 April 2009 (UTC) :You're right, the text said that (I also checked via google), but there was something strange: both the unsigned request, and a sort of "hurry"... We're lucky, when an admin changes his own mind, we keep him at his good work :) :It's far different if there is an urgent request, i.e. a compromised account or vandalism... :Thank you for your work, Mike, and a special one for your care! :Ciao, --[[User:M7|M7]] ([[User talk:M7|talk]]) 21:43, 29 April 2009 (UTC) == renaming: The Guide to Digital Rhetoric == I'd like to request edits to put The Guide to Digital Rhetoric in Compliance with Wikibooks' naming policy. http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/The_Guide_to_Digital_Rhetoric :AFAICT, it is already in compliance. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:42, 5 May 2009 (UTC) == Survey == The survey that appears at the top of every page when one is not logged in is no longer available, yet the text requesting that users take it still shows up. Could you or someone else remove it? Thanks. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 17:23, 13 May 2009 (UTC) :It's long been removed - the sitenotice is cached for 30 days. There is nothing you or I could do about that, unfortunately. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 12:56, 15 May 2009 (UTC) =="Good site, admin" bot == The "Good site, admin" bot is back again. Here are a few more for your list. I applied a one-year block. * [[Special:Contributions/92.112.123.249|92.112.123.249]] * [[Special:DeletedContributions/91.206.218.50|91.206.218.50 ]] --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 12:47, 19 May 2009 (UTC) :Thanks, I've done global blocks. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 13:00, 19 May 2009 (UTC) Here are some more, with a new twist on the wording: * [[Special:Contributions/194.135.105.175|194.135.105.175]] * [[Special:Contributions/|61.19.247.195]] * [[Special:Contributions/217.23.64.14|217.23.64.14]] * [[Special:Contributions/62.233.33.94|62.233.33.94]] * [[Special:Contributions/86.35.1.12|86.35.1.12]] * [[Special:Contributions/201.130.79.57|201.130.79.57]] * [[Special:Contributions/209.237.150.154|209.237.150.154]] * [[Special:Contributions/217.11.242.115|217.11.242.115]] * [[Special:Contributions/193.86.238.18|193.86.238.18]] * [[Special:Contributions/213.188.130.252|213.188.130.252]] * [[Special:Contributions/82.208.46.3|82.208.46.3]] * [[Special:Contributions/82.208.46.145|82.208.46.145]] --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 13:21, 29 July 2009 (UTC) * [[Special:Contributions/88.85.78.146|88.85.78.146]] --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 22:13, 29 July 2009 (UTC) * Your revert of the anon edit to [[XQuery/Uptime monitor‎]] falls into the same category. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 20:22, 29 July 2009 (UTC) == Greetings from [[w:Bali|Bali]] == [[File:Ogoh-Ogoh---how-the-Balinese-see-the-tourist-girls.jpeg|thumb|right|typical tourist girl<br />local view]] Hi, Mike. See the note I just left Johnny re the portals. You may have noticed some of this in meta, already. * [[User talk:SB Johnny#Greetings from Bali]] — the “poke” U can haz tourist-girl, too. Cheers, [[User:Jack Merridew|Jack Merridew]] 07:58, 2 June 2009 (UTC) :Thanks for the heads-up, I'll keep an eye peeled & lend a hand as need be. So far, looks good! &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:48, 2 June 2009 (UTC) == Embedding screen captures or vids from secondlife == Hi Mike, Hope all's well with you. I'm still working with students on our Foundations of Education text, and their questions are getting tougher by the semester. This term, they're asking me whether or not they can post screen captures and videos generated from secondlife on their Wikibooks pages. My gut says that, as long as these files were created by the users and can be converted to the acceptable formats, it's ok. What are your thoughts on this issue? Thanks so much for your help! [[User:PbakerODU|PbakerODU]] ([[User talk:PbakerODU|talk]]) 18:31, 10 June 2009 (UTC) :That one's easy, actually: The guy(s) running second life have taken the position that whatever users create in the game is their own intellectual property - so students can license those screenshots however they want. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC) == [[Template:Copyvio]] == I'm late getting back to you on this, but the reason I substituted that before was because of the content on [[:Category:Copyright_violations]]. Is [[:Category:Images_with_unknown_copyright_status]] incorrect for {{tlx|nld}} as well? -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 03:54, 12 June 2009 (UTC) :Fixed the instructions for copyvio. For nld, yes you subst -- that template is a wrapper that fills in some parameters on {{tlx|no license}}. So {{tlxs|nld}} &rarr; {{tlx|no license}}. Hope that's not too confusing! &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 14:48, 12 June 2009 (UTC) ==Request for Permissions== Hey Mike. It has been over a week since [[User:Adrignola]] accepted the admin nomination. The only show of disapproval was a comment and not a vote, so IMO, it's time to take action. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 13:09, 17 June 2009 (UTC) :Yes, I wanted to give a bit of extra time because only a few people left comments. I'll give it another day or so unless some other bureaucrat beats me to it. Thanks for the reminder though. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:03, 17 June 2009 (UTC) == [[:Category:Middle-earth source templates]] == I took a look at these and they are not included by any books at this time. You had imported them from Wikipedia, so I was curious as to whether they are still needed. If they are, I can put them in a category where they'll be found. Thanks. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 01:40, 19 June 2009 (UTC) :IIRC, they used to be used... feel free to apply nuke :) &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:39, 19 June 2009 (UTC) == Twinkle == I used Twinkle to delete a vandalism page created from a red link on a book's table of contents, but it then proceeded to remove that link on the table of contents. I suspect I should have checked the box to "orphan backlinks", but the [[User:Mike.lifeguard/TW#Orphan_backlinks|Twinkle]] page says that option is buggy and not to use it. I had checked "no meaningful content" and the documentation linked above seems to indicate that backlinks would not have been removed had I checked "nonsense, spam, or vandalism page" instead. Would I be correct in assuming that if I want links to a page to remain regardless of the reason for deleting, that I should check the "orphan backlinks" box? You suggested installing the "autodelete links" gadgets. However, I must say that I have not installed those, as neither the gadget page nor the Twinkle page provide much information on exactly what actions they will perform or what situations they would be used for. Since I'm responsible for actions whether or not I use Twinkle, I've hesitated on implementing those. A request: could the option for adding {{tlx|split}} be changed to one for {{tlx|subpages}}? I find that the latter is far more commonly needed and the help text when hovering over the option states it's to indicate a split into subpages. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 15:03, 19 June 2009 (UTC) :The real bug with orphan backlinks is just that I need to review the code where it's used... it does work, but the checkbox may not always do what you expect, which is my fault. In almost all cases, it should work just fine - so feel free to (un)check it as need be. :Autodelete links gives you an ''autodelete'' tab. When you click it, you provide a delete reason, and hit OK - then all the links on the page become autodelete links, meaning when you open them, it'll automatically delete the page (and the talk page if it exists) with that reason. Good for deleting stuff quickly with a single reason after a VFD or clearing out a whole category of unneeded stuff, or deleting all of a user's pages. :Yes, I can switch to using {{tlx|subpages}}. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:45, 19 June 2009 (UTC) :: Thanks for the additional information. The idea of automatically deleting anything worried me, but you've cleared it up. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 16:52, 19 June 2009 (UTC) :::I'm still having weird issues with unlinking backlinks. If you're still using the script, could let me know under what circumstances it ''is'' unlinking backlinks? Specifically, which option you used, and whether the box for that was checked off. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:02, 19 June 2009 (UTC) ::::I've tested Twinkle with every option that will allow a delete at [[Testpage]], with "orphan backlinks" both checked and unchecked. I am unable to have it delete links now in any situation. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 03:55, 20 June 2009 (UTC) :::::Thats ''odd'' but useful information. I'll see if I can figure that bit out next week. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 04:03, 20 June 2009 (UTC) [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Foundations_of_Education_and_Instructional_Assessment/Edition_4/Assessment_Table_of_Contents/Assessment_Chapter_3&diff=prev&oldid=1544811 this diff] was a result of me ''checking'' the box to orphan backlinks. Up to that point since I last talked to you, it was leaving links with the box unchecked. I think the behavior is reversed from what it's supposed to be (check the box to orphan and have it checked by default). -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 02:57, 23 June 2009 (UTC) :Okay, well, [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Foundations_of_Education_and_Instructional_Assessment/Edition_4/Assessment_Table_of_Contents/Assessment_Chapter_3&diff=prev&oldid=1544828 this diff] was the same result from 'author blanked" on the page that was deleted, but with the box ''unchecked''. That's inconsistent. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 03:03, 23 June 2009 (UTC) ::Yeah, from looking at the code, I think it changes option-by-option... which is uber-wonky. So, that needs fixing <code>:D</code> &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:22, 23 June 2009 (UTC) == 新笛 == Discussion on 新笛 ChineseMusic.net Dear Mike.lifeguard Wiki is in error. The inventor of 新笛 was 丁西林（1893—1974）, not Zhang. see following References 参考文献 Lee Yuan-Yuan and Shen, Sinyan. Chinese Musical Instruments (Chinese Music Monograph Series). 1999. Chinese Music Society of North America Press. ISBN 1-880464039 Shen, Sinyan. Chinese Music in the 20th Century (Chinese Music Monograph Series). 2001. Chinese Music Society of North America Press. ISBN 1-880464047 Thanks! == CheckUser == We're having problems with a determined individual. Meta says to have local CheckUsers exercise the privileges. I had to block [[Special:Contributions/Bfbggon|Bfbggon]] and the later account that posted the same vulgar image, [[Special:Contributions/Bfbggonn|Bfbggonn]]. The block page says it's supposed to block the IP and any subsequent IPs they try to edit from. I don't know whether to escalate this or not. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 03:52, 9 July 2009 (UTC) :I checked into it... he's using a very wide range of IPs, probably too big to block safely but I don't have time to go deeper into it today. Any thoughts, Mike? See cu-l for what I ran across. --[[User:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup> 12:24, 9 July 2009 (UTC) :Just to keep you in the know, Mike, SB Johnny had to block [[Special:Contributions/Bfbggonnn|Bfbggonnn]] and [[Special:Contributions/Bfbggonnnn|Bfbggonnnn]], and [[Special:Contributions/Bfbggonnnnn|Bfbggonnnnn]] as well while I was asleep. There's obviously a pattern, but that doesn't solve the larger issue. Wonder if they're using [[w:Tor (anonymity network)|Tor]]... -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 14:50, 9 July 2009 (UTC) :Seems there's another at [[Special:Contributions/Bfbggonnnnnn|Bfbggonnnnnn]]. I blocked it. ''Sigh.'' -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 14:53, 9 July 2009 (UTC) ::I hardblocked for one month, Mike. Collateral damage looks unlikely, but feel free to have another look. --[[User:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:53, 9 July 2009 (UTC) :::Sorry, I was away and/or busy yesterday. Hardblock certainly seems fine to me. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:05, 10 July 2009 (UTC) == When you have a second... == can you take a look at [[Wikibooks talk:Reading room/Navigation|this]]?. Thanks, [[User:Dferg|Dferg]] ([[User talk:Dferg|talk]]) 16:37, 18 July 2009 (UTC) ==Bots== Hi Mike. I've been leaving messages in the middle of your talk page at [[User_talk:Mike.lifeguard#.22Good_site.2C_admin.22_bot]], but it looks like you've not been seeing them? There are bots about. You have reverted three of their edits today. It looks to me like a variation on the "Good site, admin" bot, but now they change up the text. They still replace a whole section of a page with some lame complement, or with a phrase that ends with a comma. Anyhow... just concerned that you've not seemed to notice my message and the bots are not being globally blocked. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 02:42, 30 July 2009 (UTC) :No, I've globally blocked them all (& more from other wikis). We last saw them about 3 months ago - looks like all their blocks are expiring this week. I'll make sure I note when I take action. Thanks for your help! &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:55, 30 July 2009 (UTC) ::OK! I didn't see them in the block logs, but maybe I wouldn't since they're global? Thanks. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 04:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC) :::You can see what Mike's been doing at [[Special:GlobalBlockList]]. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 04:23, 30 July 2009 (UTC) More bots: *[[Special:Contributions/194.0.200.7|194.0.200.7]] --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 12:51, 30 July 2009 (UTC) *[[Special:Contributions/62.113.86.15|62.113.86.15]] --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 12:52, 30 July 2009 (UTC) *[[Special:Contributions/82.208.46.79|82.208.46.79]] --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 12:56, 30 July 2009 (UTC) :Did these. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 14:56, 30 July 2009 (UTC) Looks like that took care of the "Good site" bots, but here's a definite spam bot: *[[Special:Contributions/218.93.15.114|218.93.15.114]] --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 11:57, 1 August 2009 (UTC) ::Thanks, handled that one too. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:30, 2 August 2009 (UTC) mg9y9z9zp97bdwc9txwwfiy10eehoce 3 213820 4654248 1650518 2026-07-12T18:31:05Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654248 wikitext text/x-wiki <[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 27|older]] [[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 29|newer]]> {{Talkarchive}} {{-}} == Bot action request == [[Opening theory in chess]] and its hundreds of subpages need to be title-cased. To top it off, there are two categories that the pages are part of. [[:Category:Opening theory in chess]] and [[:Category:Chess opening theory]], both of which would not match the title-cased title. Since the larger category is the latter it would be nice to have the name be [[Chess Opening Theory]]. I fixed the template the book uses to use {{tlx|BookCat}} so they'll automatically be categorized in [[:Category:Chess Opening Theory]] after the move. I know your bot can do moves but could it also: *Fix any links to the old title to point to the same pages at the new title to avoid redirects? *Replace calls to {{tlx|ChessFooter}} and {{tlx|ChessOpenings}} with {{tlx|Chess Opening Theory/Footer}}? ChessFooter could then be deleted and ChessOpenings could be moved to "Chess Opening Theory/Footer". *Replace calls to {{tlx|ChessTable}} with {{tlx|Chess Opening Theory/Table}}? *Replace calls to {{tlx|Chess Position}} with {{tlx|Chess Opening Theory/Position}}? Thanks for your time. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 18:37, 16 July 2009 (UTC) :I can do all of that, but not immediately. I'm gonna say late next week... or thereabouts <code>:)</code> &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:12, 17 July 2009 (UTC) :Sorry, this is going to have to keep waiting until I'm done classes for the summer. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:56, 30 July 2009 (UTC) ::Thanks for taking care of this. It would have been unmanageable for me to do otherwise. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 17:35, 17 August 2009 (UTC) :::Well it took longer than it should have, but it's done now. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:48, 3 September 2009 (UTC) ::::Thanks a bunch. I wouldn't have had the stomach to do all that by hand. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 12:12, 3 September 2009 (UTC) == First Aid == I am going to start work on a more up to date PDF version of First Aid. What changes would like me to make first? [[User:Geoff Plourde|Geoff Plourde]] ([[User talk:Geoff Plourde|talk]]) 00:38, 4 August 2009 (UTC) == Sockpuppets == On my talk page it has been pointed out that several accounts had posted the same spam link to [[2 Button Mens Suits]] (deleted due to licensing). Panic2k4 suggests they are sockpuppet accounts by the same person. Could be something to look into. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 02:35, 4 August 2009 (UTC) :I concur with Adrignola here, the whole thing seems fishy. [[User:Geoff Plourde|Geoff Plourde]] ([[User talk:Geoff Plourde|talk]]) 02:36, 4 August 2009 (UTC) ::Yeah, we're dealing with the domains at the moment, which is more important than the accounts, actually. But yes, I'll look for more accounts in a few moments. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:25, 4 August 2009 (UTC) == This IP == You commented recently that this IP has vandalised some parts of this site. You may wish to restrit access as this is a shared school IP. Thanks :The IP can be used freely until there is an unacceptable pattern of abuse. Right now, it's nothing serious. Thanks for the heads-up though. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 04:10, 6 August 2009 (UTC) == Move of [[Opening theory in chess]] == Thanks for renaming [[Opening theory in chess]] to [[Chess Opening Theory]]. I did notice you didn't move the talk page. Why? [[User:SunCreator|SunCreator]] ([[User talk:SunCreator|talk]]) 23:12, 17 August 2009 (UTC) :Err, I just noticed it seems to be that not just one page but hundreds of pages moved without the corresponding talk page move. The problem is now imo greater then if the move wasn't made. [[User:SunCreator|SunCreator]] ([[User talk:SunCreator|talk]]) 23:17, 17 August 2009 (UTC) ::This yet again shows the bug with the mass move if the top-level page doesn't have a talk page. Talk pages of subpages of that top-level page are not moved in that case. I've learned to create a dummy talk page for the top-level page if I ever attempt to mass move pages. It's too bad that bug hasn't been fixed yet. Mike submitted it himself even. Only Wikibooks makes such extensive use of subpages, so it's not a high priority. -- 03:41, 18 August 2009 (UTC) ::I took care of the stragglers using [[Special:PrefixIndex]]. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 03:54, 18 August 2009 (UTC) :::Sorry, I had to stop halfway through the whole business due to a small not-quite-emergency-but-still-important-and-urgent event. Actually, it was more an issue to do with wgMaximumMovedPages being calculated incorrectly, so I finished with a bot run (the next bot run would have moved the talk pages, but I had to run [ouch, pun]). That's [[bugzilla:20289]]. Again, apologies for leaving things a mess. I'll be doing the rest of the modifications over the next couple of days. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:10, 18 August 2009 (UTC) == Wikibook building as a class == Hello--I'm new here on Wikibooks. I'm a sometime-editor on Wikipedia. I have a local etiquette question, and pretty randomly picked you out as an admin to ask... I'm starting a university course, and I'm considering having the students create a new book here as the class project. I can handle any concerns student-side, but I was curious if having 20 or so students working on a book together would run afoul of Wikibook culture. On Wikipedia for instance, it might run the risk of appearing to be "meat puppets". I'm hoping/guessing that's less of a concern here, if only because of less editing-traffic. Any thoughts? [[User:TDang|TDang]] ([[User talk:TDang|talk]]) 03:25, 21 August 2009 (UTC) :Absolutely not - we welcome class projects. If you haven't found [[Wikibooks:Guidelines for class projects]] already, that's a great place to start. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 05:15, 21 August 2009 (UTC) ::Hey! I hadn't seen that. Perfect! Thanks. [[User:TDang|TDang]] ([[User talk:TDang|talk]]) 05:20, 21 August 2009 (UTC) == Personal Data == I remember a discussion some time ago about this issue (placing personal data or sensitive information outside of user pages). I'm of the opinion that HELP ME!!! at the Wikibooks:Reading room/Assistance if not deleted should be edited to remove the email address. Since the user isn't registered he doesn't have a user page or talk page were it may be contacted and there is a security/privacy issue that will affect not only the owner of the email, that may even no be the same one that placed the request on Wikibooks (it is strange enough that it is placed twice on the same sentence) but to any unaware user that decides to be helpful and reply to it. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 20:25, 24 August 2009 (UTC) :I've hidden it behind {{tlx|email}}&nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:56, 24 August 2009 (UTC) ==My reviewer request== Hi Mike.lifeguard: Please consider supporing [[Wikibooks:Requests for permissions#Moby-Dick4000|my request]] to become a reviewer. [[User:Moby-Dick4000|Moby-Dick4000]] ([[User talk:Moby-Dick4000|talk]]) 01:09, 30 August 2009 (UTC) :Thanks for promoting me. [[User:Moby-Dick4000|Moby-Dick4000]] ([[User talk:Moby-Dick4000|talk]]) 13:58, 1 September 2009 (UTC) ::Not a problem. Thanks for your good work. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:03, 2 September 2009 (UTC) ==My notices== Sorry, I wasn't aware it was considered bad form. I saw so many requests with statements of support I assumed it was necessary. [[User:Moby-Dick4000|Moby-Dick4000]] ([[User talk:Moby-Dick4000|talk]]) 14:58, 30 August 2009 (UTC) :We want to see community support for adminship, but for editor/reviewer it is really up to the admin making the judgment call. No harm done, just thought you'd like to know. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:17, 30 August 2009 (UTC) ::Noted; thanks. [[User:Moby-Dick4000|Moby-Dick4000]] ([[User talk:Moby-Dick4000|talk]]) 15:29, 30 August 2009 (UTC) ==Linguistics== I notice you had edited [[Linguistics/Phonetics]] a while ago. Would you be interested in collaborating on the [[Linguistics]] wikibook? [[User:Mo-Al|Mo-Al]] ([[User talk:Mo-Al|talk]]) 00:31, 1 September 2009 (UTC) :I'm afraid I probably have little to add, and even less time to devote to adding it. I'll be happy to help if I can, but you'd best proceed on your own. Thanks for asking. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 04:01, 1 September 2009 (UTC) ::No problem. If the book winds up growing to a respectable size, consider giving it a read-through to see if there are any major stylistic problems. [[User:Mo-Al|Mo-Al]] ([[User talk:Mo-Al|talk]]) 04:16, 1 September 2009 (UTC) == Enlargin a project == How do I start a book under a broader title, but include an existing one as one of the sections of the new book? :Normally you wouldn't do that. Can I ask why you can't simply expand the scope of a pre-existing text? &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:33, 4 September 2009 (UTC) I guess I can just re-mname the original first page, and reshuffle chapters. How do I rename the first page of a book? :There is a ''move'' tab at the top of the page - if you don't see it, your account is too young - you need to have a 4-day-old account to see it. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 04:34, 6 September 2009 (UTC) Mike, I moved the project, and now have two problems: The url is still the old one, which is confusing The old chapters do not link back to the new home page. :You just forgot to move those pages - I've done that now, and the links have turned blue <code>:)</code> :Could you please sign at the end of your posts with four tildes? <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> turns into a [[Special:Preferences|customizable]] signature and timestamp, which makes it easier to tell who said what and when. Thanks. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:17, 8 September 2009 (UTC) Thanks a lot. This is a whole new world for me, and I appreciate your support and encouragement. [[User:Sidorkin|Sidorkin]] ([[User talk:Sidorkin|talk]]) 22:42, 9 September 2009 (UTC)Sasha Sidorkin == Luvodicus' Talk Page == My photo was deleted from my User Page. It is a self portrait, taken by me, owned by me, of me. Can you please correct this and put it back up? here's a direct link to a new image, of me, take by me, for me http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j102/luvodicus/Image028.jpg [[User:Luvodicus|Luvodicus]] ([[User talk:Luvodicus|talk]]) 16:46, 22 August 2009 (UTC) :You simply need to state which [[WB:MEDIA|free license]] you're releasing the image with. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:28, 23 August 2009 (UTC) I did mention that, as well as the text below the photo stated that It was a SELF PORTRAIT. Seeing as you were the one to remove the photo, I would appreciate it if you would be the one to replace it. The FREE LICENSE you're pointing too looks gaudy and unprofessional. I don't see how this could've caused a deletion, when a notice would've sufficed. It is a hinderance, as I have to now download, upload, replace, and tag... :"Recent Picture of Luvodicus" doesn't explain what license the image is release under (nor any of the other information we [[WB:MEDIA|ask for]]. If you simply tell me which one of the many acceptable licenses you wish to use, I'll undelete the image and fix the description page. I'm not sure what exactly is "gaudy and unprofessional" but if it is a page on this wiki, you are welcome to [[WB:BOLD|fix it]]. Incidentally, you ''were'' [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Luvodicus&diff=1344597&oldid=1297602 warned] prior to the image being deleted. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:32, 7 September 2009 (UTC) Mike, I honestly don't see what the problem is. I've repeatedly informed you the photo is mine, was taken by me, of me, to be used in my profile. There is no copyright infringement possible, as It's highly unlikely any court of law would entertain a lawsuit of myself suing myself for copyright infringement. The tags you are asking me to use are covering an entire length of the page, when simple information is already credited on the tag. If you feel a further tag is needed, then I ask you to happily entertain yourself, and add the tag you feel is best representative of a photo I've taken of myself, with a digital camera, on a balcony, outside of my apartment, for the simple use of illustrating a profile. :Maybe I can help to make it clearer.... It doesn't matter what the picture is used for, or what the picture is of, or whether a court case is likely or not. Policy requires that you release the photograph under one of the licenses that is acceptable to Wikibooks. If you don't, the photograph will be deleted. You, the author of the photograph, must login and make a clear statement that you are the copyright owner and that you have released it under the applicable license. <span style="color:#E66C2C">[[User:QuiteUnusual|'''Unusual? Quite''']]</span> <sup><span style="color:#306754">[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|TalkQu]]</span></sup> 10:51, 23 September 2009 (UTC) Just say what free license you release the image with. I recommend CC-by-sa-3.0. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:44, 23 September 2009 (UTC) That will be fine.. thank you... [[User:Luvodicus|Luvodicus]] ([[User talk:Luvodicus|talk]]) 04:06, 1 October 2009 (UTC) :Done. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:45, 1 October 2009 (UTC) == The-hawk == How do we get the hawk to hawk Wikisource? We have not yet had community concencus, I am just wondering. Also, can a regular talker silence a bot? [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 20:30, 14 September 2009 (UTC) :I just need the following information: :*Channel contact - someone active in the channel the bot will be reporting to who is an op :*Name for the bot :*Which wikis you want it to watch, and to what channel it shall report :Please remember, the bot is supposed to serve the IRC community, so it is the people in the channel where the bot would be reporting that should decide. If the main discussion channel isn't a good place for it, you can always have it in the [[m:CVN|CVN]] channel. I can set up the bot soon once I have that information. Thanks &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 13:15, 15 September 2009 (UTC) == User rename == I have requested for a user rename [[Wikibooks:Reading room/Administrative Assistance/Renaming#Marsa Lahminal → Samar|here]]. Its been quite some time so I thought to I request personally. Regards [[User:Marsa Lahminal|Marsa Lahminal]] ([[User talk:Marsa Lahminal|talk]]) 17:49, 15 September 2009 (UTC) :I'm sorry, I haven't been as attentive as normal. I'll look now. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:33, 16 September 2009 (UTC) n531o1nj8mx9526wfm2citntgkfu7ke 3 216954 4654216 2031603 2026-07-12T18:09:13Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654216 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talkarchive}} == Mandarin == Hello, about [[Mandarin Chinese]], I did not want it to be inactive, and only became so because I forgot to work on the book. All the info is correct, it is summarized from Prentice Hall Chinese Link Textbook. However, if you could, could you make the book look nicer, and tell me what kinds of grades what I have would get? Thanks in advance --[[User:Master lan|Master lan]] ([[User talk:Master lan|talk]]) 13:50, 25 November 2009 (UTC) :It looks good so far. I can't really comment on translations as I have no knowledge of Mandarin Chinese. I wouldn't worry about how long it takes to get the book done. We have contributors here who have dedicated years to perfecting their books. Just keep at it and you'll have a quality product in the end. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 18:26, 25 November 2009 (UTC) :More specifically, it is the lessons I am giving to a friend to teach him Chinese. --[[User:Master lan|Master lan]] ([[User talk:Master lan|talk]]) 01:07, 3 December 2009 (UTC) == Nomination == I went ahead and made two nominations at [[WB:RFP]]. I hope you accept, and I also hope this does not expose you to any unpleasantness involved in the voting. Thanks for your work here. It has not gone unnoticed. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 23:25, 2 December 2009 (UTC) :Hmmm. Silence on the CU nomination? --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 02:12, 3 December 2009 (UTC) ::Silence no longer. :) Had to compose a thoughtful statement on the matter. Also, thank you for the nominations. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 02:13, 3 December 2009 (UTC) == [[User talk:Jimbo Wales]] == Was that last edit by request ?<br> If not since Jimbo hasn't placed a statement blocking posting to the talkpage, those posts have a validity even if most are antagonistic, only a few of those removed would be classified as slightly offensive, but somehow acceptable in a personal talk page... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 00:27, 5 December 2009 (UTC) :I'm sorry, I don't view them similarly. You can undo the change if you feel otherwise. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 00:32, 5 December 2009 (UTC) ::I think it is best to let the owner decide. That was the issue I was attempting to point out, it is expected that they are the ones that have the capacity to decide what is or not wanted information, especially in the talk pages of another userspace ::I would indeed support the undoing of any alteration perceived as slightly negative by another party on the user's front page. I can count by the fingers of a single hand the times I made alteration on such pages.<br> ::In short you executed a sanitation on another's userspace, this is not expected, probably not wanted or isn't even impartial to those that made the posts. One could also say that is somewhat against community best practices, and in my opinion something you shouldn't repeat. I'm especially pointing this out to you because of the high visibility of that page and userspace in particular, and the higher expectations the community is placing on you. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 00:45, 5 December 2009 (UTC) :::I've undone the edit. I seriously doubt the user in question is watching his user talk page, though. Reverts of unbecoming edits to the page have been done in the past if you look at the history. Even on your talk page you may notice there was a [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APanic2k4&action=historysubmit&diff=1639105&oldid=1639055 removal of a comment] felt to be inappropriate. Should personal attacks or vandalism on a person's talk page be ignored? -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 00:59, 5 December 2009 (UTC) ::::Thanks for you reconsideration. I agree on your assertion of that user interest to what goes on this project in specific terms. I agree that there is a thin line on what constitutes a good intervention on a Wikibookians personal space, in the specific case you point out that user was a vandal (http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Barta_bus), if a single post (with the same content) was made on another users talk page I wouldn't have reversed it, the content doesn't make it particular offensive, it all depends on the context and civility level, something an outsider to the interchange may not be aware of. Consider the same action by another user with something on the lines of "Break a leg" on several Wikibookains pages, to an outsider it would again constitute possible spam (in depth analyses would require examining past actions of that user on the project), but on the other hand, all the users that got the post may be part of a theater group... ::::On the action that initiated this thread, some of the posts weren't even slightly aggressive, most of those that had aggressive connotations were somehow out of context since they (I presume) refer to actions that took place elsewhere and most if not all were unsigned, by removing them you took an active role on those disputes that were personal in nature (if outside of the userspace they indeed should be deleted). I didn't read them all but those I read didn't have any unacceptable content, I had similar posts on my own userspace that have gone to similar levels, I've been called a dick and a troll by acting admins but what is important is the context of the remarks, and giving equal chance to those engaged on the interchange to address the issues at least that is my opinion. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 01:19, 5 December 2009 (UTC) == Images on XNA project == Thanks for modifying the licences on my images, I didn't notice the mistake. My new ones will be sorted. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Willybood|Willybood]] ([[User talk:Willybood|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Willybood|contribs]]) </span></small> :No problem. Our upload form isn't nearly as classy as the one at Wikimedia Commons, so it takes a bit more getting used to. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 16:22, 6 December 2009 (UTC) == Images == What happened (is happening) in regards to the approved changes on how we deal with images on the project ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 08:24, 6 December 2009 (UTC) :[https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21011 Bug 21011] is still open. You can add your email as a CC to get updates on it, as well as create an account and vote for the bug if you like. I don't think it will be handled anytime soon. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 16:21, 6 December 2009 (UTC) ::[[Special:Upload]] already has some indications to use Commons, but it should be removed (until the bug is fixed) from any direct links for file uploads, like the sidebars, the first information one would get on clicking on Upload file would be to use commons and then a link to the local uploads page (since local uploads would be a minority). [[Wikibooks:Media]] would probably benefit from the inclusion of the image limitations and a reference to Commons. All templates to be used as warnings on the user space relating to images could also benefit from that extra information. Do you see any issues with those changes ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 18:38, 6 December 2009 (UTC) :::We can't remove the "Upload file" link from the toolbox. The goal of this request as a result of discussion was to make that link point to Commons instead. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 18:42, 6 December 2009 (UTC) ::::Sorry I've mistakenly used that as an example, I meant any other links to that page. Is there any way one can get a "what links here" list from that page ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 19:03, 6 December 2009 (UTC) :::::I don't see a way. But the request also calls for a user right that will be held by an "uploaders" group and administrators that allows use of the [[Special:Upload]] page after the changes are made. Anyone who gets there from links elsewhere and isn't in either group will have a message denying them the ability to upload. When the link at left points to Commons, admins/uploaders will have to go to [[Special:SpecialPages]] to get a link to the local tool for uploading. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 19:16, 6 December 2009 (UTC) ::::::Yes, I see now that it would be unnecessary to make any changes it that case. But the policy and these types of warnings/notices [[User talk:Jbwoo]] (as the templates used for them) [[User talk:Passchier#Copyright_problems_with_File:Serine-sphere-pymol.png]] and any Help: guides (like [[Help:Uploading files]]) could start to be used to make Wikibookians aware of the change. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 20:37, 6 December 2009 (UTC) == Transwiki import? == Hi Adrignola, You appear to be the transwiki guru around here! I was wondering if you could transwiki [[w:Projective transformation]], as indicated at [[WB:RFI#Simple Imports]]? Thanks! :—Nils von Barth ([[User:Nbarth|nbarth]]) ([[User talk:Nbarth|talk]]) 19:56, 6 December 2009 (UTC) [[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] '''Done''' Find it at [[Transwiki:Projective transformation]]. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 20:31, 6 December 2009 (UTC) :Thanks! :I’ve cleaned it up some and filed it at [[Projective Geometry/Classic/Projective Transformations]]. :—Nils von Barth ([[User:Nbarth|nbarth]]) ([[User talk:Nbarth|talk]]) 23:29, 6 December 2009 (UTC) == What is the maximum width for images that allows the html, print and pdf version to render consistently == Hi Adrignola Cheers for doing the article imports into the Wikibooks on Hinduism and Sikhism. I was just wondering if you knew the maximum width for an image for Wikibooks. I read in the Wiki edit guide that 550px is the safest width that browsers will render. I have some fretboard and scale diagrams in the wikibook on Guitar that should go all across the page for easy reading. Also, does this affect the Print version and the PDF version. One last question, is their any format advice to ensure consistent layout for those viewing with a widescreen monitor. --[[User:Sluffs|Sluffs]] ([[User talk:Sluffs|talk]]) 14:07, 7 December 2009 (UTC) :I don't believe there's a technical limit to the width of an image in the wiki software itself, but you don't want an image inline to be so wide that those viewing the book at a lower resolution have to scroll horizontally to view the image. The 550px width was probably written when you had to worry about a screen size of 800px minimum, with the difference being taken up by the navigation at the left. You can safely assume a minimum width of 1024px today. You'd have to experiment with a print version to see what pixel width corresponds to the width of your printed page. You can test it with your browser's print preview. An image that fits the print version will fit the PDF version as well. Hope that helps. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 15:55, 7 December 2009 (UTC) Re: Thanks. I spent a bit of time searching the help pages and this is just the information I need. --[[User:Sluffs|Sluffs]] ([[User talk:Sluffs|talk]]) 17:19, 7 December 2009 (UTC) == Re: Welcome message, books chapters and other edits == Thanks!!! --[[User:Kartikram|Kartikram]] ([[User talk:Kartikram|talk]]) 04:08, 10 December 2009 (UTC) == Copyright question == Hey Adrignola, quick question, I'm co-coordinating the Wikibook for my class, and noticed that one of the chapters was flagged for possible copyright violation. The chapter has recently undergone changes, with citations and sources added toward the end of the page. I understand that to prevent deletion, the contributors need to specify that the authors must grant copyright permission. I am unclear if there is a specific paragraph that violates this policy or the whole chapter itself????? Thanks!! --[[User:Kartikram|Kartikram]] ([[User talk:Kartikram|talk]]) 19:24, 10 December 2009 (UTC) :I think if you're just quoting material or paraphrasing it and providing proper references there shouldn't be a problem. The addition of that notice (wasn't me) was likely because a portion of the page appeared to be a copy-and-paste from another website. My opinion is now that the page has developed further, there isn't a problem. It's analogous to citations in a paper document; now that you have them, you can't be accused of plagiarism. The book is developing nicely, by the way. I'm glad to see new content added to Wikibooks. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 21:22, 10 December 2009 (UTC) == Congrats! == It really is a rather dull job, you'll find ;-). --[[User:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup> 13:42, 11 December 2009 (UTC) :And thanks for accepting the position! --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 14:08, 11 December 2009 (UTC) ::Thanks. A dull job certainly is what I think of when I hear "bureaucrat", but hopefully the tools will come in handy if needed. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 18:10, 11 December 2009 (UTC) == A Level Mathematics == Hi Aaron, When I saw this guy's request my first thought was "We surely have this already." So I went to the Subjects page, drilled down the Mathematics, and then... couldn't figure out how to get there from here. When you undid the request, I followed your link to the book and found that it was in study guides. Maybe someone who knows what A-level means would know that it's a study guide, but I sure didn't. Food for thought. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 16:27, 14 December 2009 (UTC) :It can also be found via this route: [[Subject:Standard curricula|Standard curricula]] → [[Subject:International curricula|International curricula]] → [[Subject:GCE Advanced Level|GCE Advanced Level]]. Indeed that's not much better. We've got about 3,000 books now and this would be indicative of problems that could be encountered upon further growth. Unfortunately, we can't really put all the books in [[Subject:Mathematics]]. I do note that "a-level maths" or "a level maths" in the search box would have either sent this user to the book directly via a redirect or shown them the book as the first result. They could also browse alphabetically, clicking on the "alphabetical" link via the "browse" link at left and finding the book among others in [[:Category:Alphabetical/A]], where all the books begin with "A-level". I'm always open to suggestions. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 17:48, 14 December 2009 (UTC) ::I called it "food for thought" because I don't ''have'' any suggestions. It's just a good problem for us to stew over as we go along. Maybe if we could expand and collapse subject hierarchies in the subject page? That might be quicker than following links, but I have no idea how it would be accomplished. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 18:00, 14 December 2009 (UTC) :::Sorry, didn't mean to imply that you had to come up with any. I notice that at [[Wikibooks:Card Catalog Office]] the subjects don't expand like the categories. I will have to fix that by moving the top-level subjects from [[:Category:All Subjects]] to [[:Category:Books by subject]]. As for the subject pages themselves, I still remember all the complaints leveled at them in the reading room when it was proposed to do away with the bookshelves. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 19:37, 14 December 2009 (UTC) == [[Template:Bt]] == No, this wasn't a test, it's a shortcut to writing the full book name. Basically, I was getting annoyed at having to write the full book name for every template, so I made this, which is just used like <nowiki>{{bt|template name|1st argument|etc.}} and outputs {{bookname/template name|1st. ...}}</nowiki>. However, I'm not sure where template documentation goes on Wikibooks. Is it supposed to go on the talk page? In a /doc page? In a noinclude on the template page itself? --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|talk]]) 20:34, 14 December 2009 (UTC) :Isn't that what {{tlx|BOOKTEMPLATE}} is for? We don't have a standard regarding template documentation. Mostly ones that were created here use noincludes, while ones imported from elsewhere use the /doc style. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 20:36, 14 December 2009 (UTC) ::I know that {{tlx|BOOKTEMPLATE}} does essentially the same job, but it's far too long, requires an extra set of {}s and often isn't even worth it to use, because it's usually longer than the book name itself. --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|talk]]) 20:39, 14 December 2009 (UTC) :::Removed the query tag. Someone made [[Template:BookTemplate]] in the past doing what you're doing but it was too long and went unused. Pardon my interference. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 20:45, 14 December 2009 (UTC) == Hmmmmmmmm? == Y'know, I've loved all things Wiki for a long time now. I just seem to struggle with understanding what Wikibooks is all about. I had this idea of writing a book about clergy and their answer to some questions......really a piece of journalism......I'm not going to interpret their responses or anything like that....and certainly (with Wikibooks being what it is) others can contribute or delete all manner of stuff. I just don't know if such a book would/would not be appropriate here. Your thoughts? [[User:Buddpaul|Buddpaul]] ([[User talk:Buddpaul|talk]]) 21:37, 15 December 2009 (UTC) :[[Wikibooks:What is Wikibooks?]] is a good place to look. In this case the [[Wikibooks:What_is_Wikibooks%3F#Wikibooks_is_not_a_news_service|Wikibooks is not a news service]] section would apply and if you are interested in doing some journalism, our sister project [[n:|Wikinews]] would be your best bet. I assume this is in reference to [[Twenty Questions For Twenty Preachers: An early 21st Century Perspective]]. If you choose to continue this at Wikinews or some other project, you can add {{tlx|delete|author requested}} to the pages of that book. Basically, Wikibooks is for textbooks, annotated texts, instructional guides, and manuals. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 23:14, 15 December 2009 (UTC) == Images you moved recently == Can I thank you for being smarter then I am about this? I didn't even think about moving the AYH track to a different name to be able to access it here. Really, Thank you. A bunch.[[User:Empire3131|Empire3131]] ([[User talk:Empire3131|talk]]) 17:36, 21 December 2009 (UTC) :You can show your appreciation by adding a vote of support at [[WB:RFP]]. :) -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 18:25, 21 December 2009 (UTC) ::Weird thing: I did that before I saw this comment. [[User:Empire3131|Empire3131]] ([[User talk:Empire3131|talk]]) 18:39, 21 December 2009 (UTC) == Sitenotice? == Heya. Not to put you on the spot, but what would you think about putting your CU RFP on the sitenotice? There are precious few people watching the RFP page, and as you know numbers are needed in this case. --[[User:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:13, 22 December 2009 (UTC) :I think the chances of the nomination succeeding are slim without the notice. We've already got all the regulars on the page and it will be an uphill battle getting the last ten. It'd be a good idea. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 23:33, 22 December 2009 (UTC) ::So far the only reason I see for the process to fail is if you decide to withdraw your acceptance for the job. There is no time limit for requests and no one has objected to it. In any case one of the other bureaucrats on the project should take the reasonable steps to inform the creators of the requirement for a fixed number of votes and explain that it is impractical and does affect multiple Wikimedia projects (for what I understand you will be CU of Wikibooks, Wikijunior, Wikiversity and by how I see it to Cookbook, all self contained entities mostly working to become independent, if it was a reality today all would have the same problem we are facing). An improvement to the process would be to use a percentage based on the number of administrators since those are the ones that seem to participate on general discussions. I also advance the idea that this alienation of the common Wikibookians has increased (since it was always reduced due to the project characteristics) due to disappearance of other global community functions and processes like book of the month, patrollers, etc... ::A simple way to accelerate the closing of the RFP, if no other steps are taken, is to create a template explaining <u>succinctly</u> why participation is needed and what the function will be used for. I will be willing to contact the more experienced editors as to promote awareness to the issue. The site notice doesn't explain why the request is different from other announcements and pointing generally to the Wikibooks:Administrators doesn't increase the chance that Wikibookians, that I think intentionally try to keep themselves focused on their specific tasks, make the effort to understand this special case. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 09:46, 23 December 2009 (UTC) :::Well, he wouldn't be a CU for wikiversity (we actually have none there, since we had to desysop one and you need at least 2). WJ and the cookbook are namespaces, and would need to independently appoint CUs if they forked. :::As for explaining, I was thinking of just adding a "notice" section on the request page, and linking the sitenotice to that. --[[User:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup> 11:31, 23 December 2009 (UTC) :: I had been thinking about this recently too and how having a fixed number of people supporting is odd. Looking at RFP right now... So, there are 17 administrators on WB, 13 if you discount the two currently proposed for removal of permissions, yourself and Derbeth (depends where that decision goes). Of these, seven (so more than 50%) have supported you already. While I would never suggest admins have more say (as this could create a self-electing "club"), it is at least some indication of the level of support you have from the more active and / or long standing contributors. Of the remaining supporters, you have (for example, Panic, Pi Zero, Chazz) some of the most active community types too. I think you will eventually reach 25 supporters without a problem but equally I'd be inclined to try and call it "closed" now, or fairly soon, and request the CU bit at Meta based on the proportionate level of support you have. <span style="color:#E66C2C">[[User:QuiteUnusual|'''Unusual? Quite''']]</span> <sup><span style="color:#306754">[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|TalkQu]]</span></sup> 10:38, 23 December 2009 (UTC) :::Unfortunately it just doesn't work that way: the requirements are requirements, period. We had to go through this for all of our CUs at least since 2006. --[[User:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup> 11:31, 23 December 2009 (UTC) ::::Since 2006! Time for a change then ;-) Okay, thanks - fair enough then! <span style="color:#E66C2C">[[User:QuiteUnusual|'''Unusual? Quite''']]</span> <sup><span style="color:#306754">[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|TalkQu]]</span></sup> 11:34, 23 December 2009 (UTC) I just took what Mike put in the watchlist notice and pasted that into the site notice. If any of you think the wording could be improved, please feel free to do so. While admins don't have more say here, interestingly a certain other project has formed [[w:Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee|arbitration committee]] where they do. Meta's policy on CUs actually gives ArbComs more power in electing checkusers than the community as a whole, in that they have final say in who becomes a checkuser. I only point that out as an interesting aside. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 13:23, 23 December 2009 (UTC) :LOL. Believe me, we should count ourselves fortunate that we don't need an ARBCOM here. See [[w:WP:ARBCOM]] for the kind of dramas they're needed for. --[[User:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup> 13:58, 23 December 2009 (UTC) ::100% agree... I sometimes think WP is really just a place to argue about philosophy, religion and politics... Much nicer here! <span style="color:#E66C2C">[[User:QuiteUnusual|'''Unusual? Quite''']]</span> <sup><span style="color:#306754">[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|TalkQu]]</span></sup> 14:12, 23 December 2009 (UTC) == Merge Talk == [[Wikibooks:Uploader]] to [[Wikibooks:Uploaders]] talk page and see if it can be deleted or have it as a redirect. (There shouldn't be many links to fix yet, I created the abbreviation [[WB:UL]]. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 06:32, 26 December 2009 (UTC) == [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:Reading_room/Bulletin_Board&curid=375&diff=1685794&oldid=1679285 Redirection of uploads to Commons] == When did that configuration get changed? Can you show me where the discussion was? Seems I've not been on the ball. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 06:15, 25 December 2009 (UTC) :Got changed on Christmas eve; the developers' present to us all. I first submitted [https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21011 bug 21011] on this based on the [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:Reading_room/General&oldid=1638584#Restriction_of_image_uploads discussion in the reading room]. Despite what the developer added to the final comment, administrators still have the ability to upload without needing to give themselves the ''uploader'' flag. See [[Special:ListGroupRights]]. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 15:59, 25 December 2009 (UTC) ::yay &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 20:06, 26 December 2009 (UTC) I've noticed that the page "http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Special:Upload" has been modified in the past hours will it be open for editing (by the admins+) as it would be extremely important that it would not only state who can have access but what the access is for and in the case of uploads to point prominently to commons (since the upload file function is still very accessible from the menus and we shouldn't scare people attempting to provide content). --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 22:51, 26 December 2009 (UTC) :The content of that page is controlled by [[MediaWiki:Uploadtext]]. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 23:30, 26 December 2009 (UTC) ::I was referring to the error page (no access, you probably can't see it since you are an admin). It has been updated recently to indicate the uploader flag with a link to the page I and you recently edited. Can't the page be also made to indicate the use of commons and a direct link to the RFP page ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 02:21, 27 December 2009 (UTC) :::Indeed, I had not seen it initially. The title of that page is at [[MediaWiki:Badaccess]] and its content is at [[MediaWiki:Badaccess-groups]]. However, that page could come up in other cases where permissions are required and someone is trying to visit a special page limited to a certain group, so it wouldn't be prudent to change that text. We can add the pertinent information to the [[Wikibooks:Uploaders]] page, though. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 03:36, 27 December 2009 (UTC) ::::You are probably right on the reuse, even so it could be rewritten to prominently invite people to ask for the tools. Making it inclusive in place of just pointing to what the tools level requirements are and what they consist on. This will foster at least some exploration and demonstrate that access is possible and a normal practice in place of being that sterile. ::::Another issue is the page name, I doubt that the page title can easily be made more welcoming ("Permission error") but it should. It isn't an error. "Insufficient Permission" would be an improvement on that. The common Wikibookian, as it is, will be put aback. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 09:14, 27 December 2009 (UTC) :::::I tweaked the title of the page and added a link to the requests for permissions page. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 15:22, 27 December 2009 (UTC) 9gkeescegjwl55v5o867r1g7cq621oh 3 218898 4654217 3474286 2026-07-12T18:09:17Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654217 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talkarchive}} == Which One? == Hylian should be kept. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Master lan|Master lan]] ([[User talk:Master lan|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Master lan|contribs]]) </span></small> : Okay, I've deleted Langve Hilana at your request. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 19:24, 1 January 2010 (UTC) == [[Nature]] == I was going to remove the [[User talk:Panic2k4|reply on my talk page]] (from Whiteknight), where I was asking about a NOPV tag he added to the work. By his reply and what I think of the project the existing categories seem a bit off, Nature is OK, but Biology should be changed to Philosophy, or something on that area, see if you agree... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 01:40, 2 January 2010 (UTC) :Indeed. The title doesn't make the subject matter immediately clear. I've recategorized it. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 03:21, 2 January 2010 (UTC) == Go Post Your Request on Meta == [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Requests_for_permissions#Adrignola.C2.A0.28talk.C2.A0.7C.C2.A0email.C2.A0.7C.C2.A0contribs.C2.A0.7C.C2.A0logs.C2.A0.7C.C2.A0rights.29_.28Check_User.29 25 at last]. Well done, have fun. <span style="color:#E66C2C">[[User:QuiteUnusual|'''QU''']]</span> <sup><span style="color:#306754">[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|TalkQu]]</span></sup> 21:32, 6 January 2010 (UTC) :Yay! --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 22:18, 6 January 2010 (UTC) : Congrats. --[[User:Swift|Swift]] ([[User talk:Swift|talk]]) 23:13, 6 January 2010 (UTC) :Done. Thanks for the support. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 01:56, 7 January 2010 (UTC) == Uncategorized Wikijunior pages == I figure at least a 50% change I'm missing/forgetting something obvious, but... <br/> is there a way to get a list of all uncategorized pages in Wikijunior space? (There seem to be special pages like [[Special:UncategorizedTemplates]] only for some specific namespaces.) --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 15:09, 10 January 2010 (UTC) :Not that I am aware of. They are in alphabetical order, but that's it. I don't believe the Wikijunior namespace is included or anything outside of the main namespace is included. For example, [[WB:SEARCH|Help:Searching]] is not categorized and doesn't show up in the list. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 16:42, 10 January 2010 (UTC) == Thanks == Thanks for the swift edits as I started my first edits here and starting the new book [[Astro and Safari Repair and Maintenance]]! If you like, You could help me to move the page to [[Astro and Safari Maintenance and Repair]] as I think that's better. (Yes I know, I should have thought of that earlier). --[[User:Rynik|Rynik]] ([[User talk:Rynik|talk]]) 23:05, 14 January 2010 (UTC) :{{done}} Done. You can also ask for help on the [[WB:AN|Admin Notice Board]] --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 23:12, 14 January 2010 (UTC) == [[Special:Contributions/Bigfoot Evil]] == Hi Aaron, I blocked this guy and then noticed you had placed a warning on his talk page. That's not my usualu practice, but this guy shares a modus operandi with [[Special:Contributions/Evil Spectre|several]] [[Special:Contributions/Big Bob|other]] recent vandals. Perhaps some CU action is warranted? --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 22:55, 14 January 2010 (UTC) :Also [[Special:Contributions/Doktor Noo|this guy]]. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 23:04, 14 January 2010 (UTC) ::Evil Spectre, Bigfoot Evil, Doktor Noo: {{Likely}} - same network but blocking the range necessary could cause collateral damage. ::Above with Big Bob: {{unrelated}}, but you do not need to worry about Big Bob due to an action I have taken. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 01:42, 15 January 2010 (UTC) == Wikijunior New Book of the Quarter == This all seemed much simpler before I started trying to explain it. There are seven Wikijunior New Book of the Quarter pages. The second and third out of seven are fully protected against both editing and moving; otherwise, I'd have edited and moved them. The two are : {{bad link|Wikibooks:Wikijunior:New Book of the Quarter/2006-2nd Quarter Vote}} : {{bad link|Wikibooks:Wikijunior:New Book of the Quarter/2006-3rd Quarter Vote}} I would have added to each of these : <nowiki>[[Category:Wikijunior Policy|Book of the Quarter/{{SUBPAGENAME}}]]</nowiki> which deliberately leaves off the "New&nbsp;" prefix because almost all the pages in {{nowrap|[[:Category:Wikijunior Policy]]}} start with "New&nbsp;". And I would have moved them by removing the "Wikibooks:" prefix, so putting them back in Wikijunior space; that last would have been especially bold of me, because all four quarters of 2006 were pointedly moved ''from'' Wikijunior space in 2006 by [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] (gone since early 2007, de-admined as inactive in 2008). The move explanations on three of them were "better namespace", and on the fourth, "does not belong in module namespace"; but the other pages in this category are in Wikijunior space, incuding the three quarters of 2007 (not to mention I just find "Wikibooks:Wikijunior:" ugly). If you've no objections to how I'm handling these pages, I'd appreciate if you could add the categories to the two protected ones, and I'd love to see them moved back to Wikijunior space. Not sure what to think about just two out of seven being protected; there ''might'' be a non-random reason for it... --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 04:03, 15 January 2010 (UTC) :[[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] '''Done'''. Also unprotected the two oddballs. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 04:20, 15 January 2010 (UTC) ::Thanks! --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 04:47, 15 January 2010 (UTC) :::Sigh. Could you also un-move-protect {{nowrap|[[Wikibooks:Wikijunior:New Book of the Quarter/2006-4th Quarter Vote]]}}? (The stated reason for the protection is "high visibility from front page".) --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 07:08, 15 January 2010 (UTC) ::::[[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] '''Done'''. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 13:07, 15 January 2010 (UTC) :::::Closure at last. Sorry I missed that other move protection the first time around. I'm now guessing that those names were a legacy from when "Wikijunior:" was a colon-convention idiom rather than a namespace; the main WJ page was moved from [{{fullurl:Wikibooks:Wikijunior|redirect=no}} Wikibooks:Wikijunior] to [[Wikijunior]] in January 2007. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 15:17, 15 January 2010 (UTC) == Algebra/Additional function and relation graphing from Wikibooks < Algebra> == Algebra/Additional function and relation graphing From Wikibooks < Algebra> The content of that page seems not to be at the right place. What is it anyway?? Dear Adrignola, if it was you that put it there then my advice is that you remove it as soon as possible. As well as the link to it at the bottom of the '''Function Graphing'''-page [[User:Andre anckaert|Andre anckaert]] ([[User talk:Andre anckaert|talk]]) 09:36, 15 January 2010 (UTC) :Sorry to intrude. No, Adrignola only added the category. The issue is solved (tagged as speedy). --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 10:17, 15 January 2010 (UTC) Hey Adrignola, Please read on my User talk page what this Panic2k4 is spanking me for. I am just a relatively new user asking questions. I think, as you avised me, '''boldly''' and '''in good faith'''. That Panic2k4 seems not to assume. I am an old gentlemen (°1928) and enjoy strolling around here. My school-maths stem from the 1940's. Please tell me, am I really wrong when asking questions or expressing an honest opinion? [[User:Andre anckaert|Andre anckaert]] ([[User talk:Andre anckaert|talk]]) 22:53, 15 January 2010 (UTC) == How the Stock Market was founded section == I had put this under US since the description it contains doesn't apply globally (I don't know particularly the US history) but what is described there existed and was used before Columbus discovered America (it can be a limitation on how it is described, it could as well be talking about shipping insurance etc). In place of a deletion, since I don't know the history of the US Stock Market (nor have I checked it) it reduced the scope to a reduce the error. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 04:22, 16 January 2010 (UTC) See [[w:Stock exchange]] for instance... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 04:24, 16 January 2010 (UTC) :I didn't rearrange the headings, just made them each one level lower since the page title is level one. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 04:24, 16 January 2010 (UTC) ::Yes I know but if you have knowledge on that area, I'm asking for you to check if the content is somehow correct. It shared the parents scope before I tweaked it, I reduced the scope of all the content to the US the first bit was named stocks (or something generic). --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 04:26, 16 January 2010 (UTC) :::The ordering of the headings looks fine, as the content applies to the US. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 04:31, 16 January 2010 (UTC) ::::Ok I'm off to bed. I'll duplicate what I've said here on that page's talk so future editors understand what happened (probably link to the RFD too)... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 04:36, 16 January 2010 (UTC) == Simple English Wikibooks == Hello Adrignola and thank you for taking the brief time for introducing me here. Right now there is a possible conflict of interest regarding the closure of the Simple Wikibooks. The proposal for closure was finished a few days ago, with the final result being 45 yeas and 17 nos. The outcome is 72.5% in support for closure, and the discussion has lasted a little over six months. The main reasons why the project was nominated for closure was due to long-term inactivity, little supervision within the project, and a lack of will from editors to continue the project. Two former admins from simple wikibooks commented why the proposal had not been closed yet. I decided to make a bold step in good faith and did the work for them. I noticed that you made a bugzilla request ([[bugzilla:22106|#22106]]) asking the developers to import or transfer content from simple to here. I believe that is unnecessary. The English Wikibooks is doing very fine right now, but combining itself with simple does not seem like a good idea. There is little to be gained or benefited from as most of the content is stubby and incomplete. I wish you could rethink about that and just let the will of the people who voted in the discussion be carried out. Regards, [[User:Slipknot1|Slipknot1]] ([[User talk:Slipknot1|talk]]) 06:09, 16 January 2010 (UTC) :Well, Mike.lifeguard suggested the bug be filed [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks%3AReading_room%2FGeneral&action=historysubmit&diff=1696804&oldid=1696731 citation] and I notice that an admin at Simple has posted a notice stating that the content will be merged. The bug I filed I will admit was premature but I can't change its status at this time. Additionally, a page was created by someone other than myself at [[Wikibooks:Simple English merger]], certainly with the intention of merging content. There are three options: do nothing with the content, merge it in to the main namespace and remove any distinctions of simplicity, or merge it in to a new namespace and preserve any distinctions. I haven't brought in any content myself at this time as I'm trying to determine what the community here as a whole thinks about the content. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 13:10, 16 January 2010 (UTC) :Doing nothing with the content that is of good quality would be a waste and hurt contributors, merging it in to the main namespace would preserve it but might offend those who believe Meta was a vote on the content as well as the project, merging it in to a new namesapce would offend those who feel the project should no longer exist in any way shape or form, even as a subproject. I see where you're coming from, but I also don't see any prohibitions on importing of content, so I was hoping the best of both worlds could be achieved. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 13:29, 16 January 2010 (UTC) : Stubby and incomplete is how one might describe much of the content at English Wikibooks. Anyone is free to upload content that fits our scope as long as licensing is fulfilled. I put this page up to get an overview of the content over at Simple English Wikibooks. We've already identified several pages that are of questionable value and that do not add to this project. Anyone is free to import or request an import of anything else, wholesale or per page. --[[User:Swift|Swift]] ([[User talk:Swift|talk]]) 14:31, 16 January 2010 (UTC) :Bug request withdrawn. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 05:04, 17 January 2010 (UTC) ::In most closure cases, the project and its content are usually eliminated together until they are reopened. However since the Simple English projects have a different situation, some people are concerned that the contributions might go to waste. Doing nothing with the content was what I was sort-of expecting, but I'll support merging content if A) the content is merged into the namespace and is unsimplified into regular English or B) the appropriate content is merged strictly to Wikijunior and not as a subproject. I hope that may resolve this. Regards, —[[Special:Emailuser/Slipknot1|<span style="color:green">§</span>]] [[User:Slipknot1|stay]] ([[User talk:Slipknot1|<span style="color:red">'''sic'''</span>]])! 06:18, 17 January 2010 (UTC) :::I have to say that your position seems at odds with the fact that you have nearly 6,600 contributions at Simple Wikipedia. For someone who contributes so heavily to a Simple English project, I am curious as to why you're so adamant about the demise of a sister project. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 17:40, 17 January 2010 (UTC) ::::Simple wikibooks (SEWB for short) has served no useful purpose throughout most of its existence other than being an extension of wikibooks and the simple english projects. Simple wikipedia or SEWP on the other hand, has better potential as a successful project and has a stable group of long-term editors and admins. If SEWP was also proposed for closure, I would oppose its closure. I am a regular editor at SEWP and formerly at SEWQ so I am not new to simple projects. If something is unnecessary and has no benefits for keeping, we should eliminate it. Besides I don't understand why I'm still discussing about this. The proposal has been closed. I've been repeating myself here for the past days. —[[Special:Emailuser/Slipknot1|<span style="color:darkgreen">§</span>]] [[User:Slipknot1|<span style="color:purple">stay</span>]] <big>([[User talk:Slipknot1|<span style="color:black">'''sic'''</span>]])</big>! 04:27, 18 January 2010 (UTC) == Categories == Thanks for cleaning up after my page creations with categorising. Seeing how you do quite a lot on that front, could you have a look at [[Wikibooks:Categories]], in particular [[Wikibooks:Categories#Books|the Books section]]. There is no mention of {{tl|BookCat}} so I figured it could use an update by someone well versed in the field. --[[User:Swift|Swift]] ([[User talk:Swift|talk]]) 17:46, 17 January 2010 (UTC) :I tried my hand at it and also updated [[Using Wikibooks/Shelves, Categories, and Classifications|Using Wikibooks/Subjects, Categories, and Classifications]] to use BookCat primarily. I removed complex details of the code underlying BookCat to avoid overwhelming newcomers with technical complexity as I doubt anyone will want to tune the category code by hand. It all boils down to having BookCat on every page directly or indirectly. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 18:38, 17 January 2010 (UTC) :: Great! Thanks, --[[User:Swift|Swift]] ([[User talk:Swift|talk]]) 00:23, 18 January 2010 (UTC) == Wikijunior subpages == Just wondering, since I see Swift subst'd a bunch of these into the Wikijunior main page and you then deleted the subpages... what happened to the subpages' edit histories (and, legally speaking, does it matter)? --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 01:44, 24 January 2010 (UTC) :Ah yes, to cover ourselves we should merge the histories, and I have done so. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 04:00, 24 January 2010 (UTC) == Adventure writer == Hey Adrignola. Could you explain to me why you deleted [[Adventure writer]] as "[[WB:WIN|Not textbook material]] even after I replaced the speedy deletion tag with a query? It seemed to me that a textbook on [[w:Adventure writer]] was a fair topic. --[[User:Swift|Swift]] ([[User talk:Swift|talk]]) 22:54, 26 January 2010 (UTC) :Content was "Glad to join the WIKI world-" &mdash; not what I'd consider indicative of a stub. I'm not sure what to make of your link to a nonexistent Wikipedia page. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 03:29, 27 January 2010 (UTC) :: The link is a handier reference to the deletion log entry than [{{fullurl:Special:Undelete|target=Adventure_writer}} this]. Did it come across as something else? :: The contributor went through the bother of signing up, expressed an interest in the community and knew enough about wikis to sign his comment (albeit on a module page). Did you think it was unreasonable to give this a week? --[[User:Swift|Swift]] ([[User talk:Swift|talk]]) 10:51, 27 January 2010 (UTC) :::Vandalism can be created by those logged in and many times a user page can be created to "blue" the name and make it easier to slip under the radar. While this may have been a non-threatening act, the page does not correspond to a topic one could see as a textbook and otherwise appears to be a nonsense page, regardless of who created it. Maybe you mean to link to [[w:Professional Adventure Writer]] above. Your [[w:Adventure writer]] link goes no entry. I have added comments to the user's talk page to mediate the situation in light of your feelings and so hopefully that will be satisfactory to everyone. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 13:41, 27 January 2010 (UTC) :::: Yes, sorry: I meant to link to [[w:Professional Adventure Writer]]. I hope you don't view this as something you felt you had to do for ''my feelings''. It's a question of following policy and building the community. There was nothing about this case that suggested vandalism and there was certainly no need to prematurely delete a page tagged with {{tlx|query}}. Deleting one of a new user's first edits without notice only invites frustration. In this case there was no harm in leaving the page for a week (I was preparing a note for the user to alert him of the issue as you deleted the page). There are occasional incidents where editors (usually but not always newcomers) feel they've been wronged. It poisons the atmosphere and is a complete waste of everyone's time when it can be so easily avoided. :::: Thanks for the note on the user's talk page! Reaching out to a hundred one-time visitors is better than shunning a single future Wikibookian. --[[User:Swift|Swift]] ([[User talk:Swift|talk]]) 17:26, 31 January 2010 (UTC) == [[Wikibooks:Requests for deletion#Slackersbible]] == Check the discussion and if you agree change your vote. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 02:01, 27 January 2010 (UTC) 9m1fzyvvuaon6kjpa6e135sykbborej 3 220966 4654249 1956712 2026-07-12T18:31:35Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654249 wikitext text/x-wiki <[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 28|older]] [[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 30|newer]]> {{Talkarchive}} {{-}} == Wikipedia's [[w:JavaServer Pages|JavaServer Pages]] article and [[Java Programming/JSP]] page == Hello, The Wikipedia [[w:JavaServer Pages|JavaServer Pages]] article contains HowTo information about JSP which should not appear on Wikipedia and would be useful on the [[Java Programming/JSP]] page. I would like to transfer the page to wikibooks with the history information and merge the two pages on wikibooks. I think I have to ask an administrator for such an operation. [[User:Ftiercel|Ftiercel]] ([[User talk:Ftiercel|talk]]) 08:30, 16 September 2009 (UTC) :{{done}} - see [[Transwiki:JavaServer Pages]]. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:17, 16 September 2009 (UTC) :Spoke too soon... the xml is huge, and the import keeps timing out. I'll do the most recent revision, and maybe during lower traffic time I'll try again. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:30, 16 September 2009 (UTC) ::Thanx [[User:Ftiercel|Ftiercel]] ([[User talk:Ftiercel|talk]]) 09:57, 18 September 2009 (UTC) == Open discussion about Wikibooks vs Wikiversity == I want to open a discussion about Wikibooks vs Wikiversity. On my opinion, these two sites are too similar and it duplicates the information. Learning books and universities have the same targets. You will have information on one site for a given language and you will find the equivalent on the other site for another language. What is your opinion ? [[User:Ftiercel|Ftiercel]] ([[User talk:Ftiercel|talk]]) 08:44, 18 September 2009 (UTC) :If it's an open discussion, I may as well note my response when asked about potential areas of collaboration between the two on [http://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:CQ&diff=prev&oldid=469324 CQ's talk page on Wikiversity]. The third paragraph there that relates to this discussion is that there are class projects on both sites and even we can't always tell whether they are better at Wikiversity or Wikibooks, as pointed out from the linked VfD discussion. A point to note is that Wikiversity used to be part of Wikibooks. I wouldn't have been in favor of the separation had I been here at the time, but I think it's highly unlikely that they would ever be merged together again. It would seem that Wikiversity has yet to fully distinguish itself from its former parent. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 12:24, 18 September 2009 (UTC) ::Open is open, so I'll chime in here. The key difference between WV & WB is that WV is intended for original research while WB prohibits it. The recent [[How to Use Wikibooks for My Students]] effort would have been better suited to WV IMO. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 13:44, 18 September 2009 (UTC) == Renaming Mjquin_id to Mjquinn_id == I am asking for a rename; before I use the account here too much (and there is another one pending). Does WikiBooks need more admins? -- [[User:Mjquin id|Mjquin id]] ([[User talk:Mjquin id|talk]]) 00:36, 15 October 2009 (UTC) :To do the rename, please show me a diff proving you own the account [[:w:en:User:Mjquinn_id]]. We do need more administrators, but those would be drawn from the ranks of our current experienced editors. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:14, 17 October 2009 (UTC) == Global rollback == Hi! I have a question for you, plis ask me: I'm a rollbacker in the English and Spanish wikipedia. I do rollbacks in the Spanish, english and deutsch wikipedia. With the global rollback, I will rollback the Catalan, Asturianu and Aragonés wikipedia too, so If I send a request for global rollback, the admin accept it? Thanks, --[[User:Javierito92|Javierito92]] ([[User talk:Javierito92|talk]]) 19:45, 27 October 2009 (UTC) *Probably not -- but you're certainly welcome to [[m:SWMT|join us]] for wider cross-wiki countervandalism efforts. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:02, 29 October 2009 (UTC) == Image missing a fair use rationale == You're asserting that because the [[:File:CamStudio_Vid_Option_defaults.png|unaltered image I captured and uploaded]] was of a GPL'd piece of software, the image itself falls under the GPL. I can follow that line of reasoning. Then you assert that because the image that falls under the GPL, a license classification that (from what I understand) was created specifically so that Fair Use would not be needed, needs Fair Use established. Do you mind explaining to me why this is or what I am misunderstanding? --[[User:Brandished|Brandished]] ([[User talk:Brandished|talk]]) 22:48, 16 November 2009 (UTC) :Sorry, I simply forgot to remove the notice to you when I fixed the licensing on the image. You don't have to do a thing - but thanks for being on the ball! <code>:D</code> &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:56, 17 November 2009 (UTC) ::I was thinking it might have been something like that, I just wanted to be sure. I'll go ahead and remove the notice. --[[User:Brandished|Brandished]] ([[User talk:Brandished|talk]]) 17:19, 18 November 2009 (UTC) == Interpretation == In classifying uncategorized books, I've come across some that have a lot of text but don't say much. They are by the same user and have external links that may be spammy. [[Professional Crime Fighting Science]] and [[Crime Fighting in The United States]] have links to businessbookmall.com while [[Basic Concepts of Crime Fighting Science]] has a link to half.com. All are pretty poorly written and the odd usage of "crime fighting" over "criminal justice" or "law enforcement" is the least of their problems. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 15:49, 17 November 2009 (UTC) :Thanks, I'm generating reports on the domains - I'll see if there's a pattern here. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:54, 17 November 2009 (UTC) ::Seems there was. Abigor removed links, and (I think) blacklisted the domain globally. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:14, 18 November 2009 (UTC) == Twinkle == Just a friendly reminder that Twinkle will have to be updated ever so slightly to reflect the new location of [[Wikibooks:Requests for deletion]], {{tlx|rfd}} and {{tlx|rfd warning}}. Thanks. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 04:44, 18 November 2009 (UTC) :Will do - thanks for the reminder. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:12, 21 November 2009 (UTC) == [[Template:Split]] == I saw your modification to this template and wondered if you aren't making it the same thing as [[Template:Subpages]]. Is there a distinction I am missing? -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 18:44, 20 November 2009 (UTC) :Nope, you can check the [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Split&oldid=1003658 original wording]. I guess {{tlx|subpages}} can be merged into {{tlx|split}} &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:09, 21 November 2009 (UTC) ==Anonymous Talk Page Blanker Dude== Hey Mike. Remember the guy who came here a while back and was blanking anonymous talk pages (they had warnings on them). It was a nice little game of cat and mouse, and now he's back. I have blocked several new accounts tonight (see the block log), but I suspect he will create more and continue the mischief. Maybe this is a job for a CU? The other option is to just delete the pages he's been blanking. The warnings in them are pretty old by now. I don't really like that approach though, because old warnings inform my actions in response to new vandalism. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 04:05, 21 November 2009 (UTC) :Done and done. There were a few more accounts - all blocked now, along with at least some of the IP space available to them. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 14:57, 21 November 2009 (UTC) ::I see he's at it again. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 04:40, 25 November 2009 (UTC) :::Yep, working with CUs from enwiki to resolve this... &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 04:41, 25 November 2009 (UTC) == [[Template:SpambotIP]] == You were the author of this template and it is part of your [[User:Mike.lifeguard/DBQ-50]] list of unused templates. Is it used by some template via substitution or is this template no longer needed? -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 17:19, 21 November 2009 (UTC) :Nope, it isn't needed. I've deleted it now. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:24, 21 November 2009 (UTC) == [[User:Whiteknight]] == Did Whiteknight request removal of his permissions at Meta? He's no longer listed as an administrator in [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&limit=1&username=Whiteknight the listing] and I was wondering whether I should remove the userbox on his userpage and update [[Wikibooks:Administrators]] to reflect this. Actually, he's not listed as a bureaucrat or checkuser either. Checking his user rights log, the last action was his, but he only removed the bot flag. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 17:02, 22 November 2009 (UTC) :Yes, the log is [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3AWhiteknight%40enwikibooks&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&hide_patrol_log=1 here]. I imagine he wouldn't mind having userboxes removed etc. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:13, 22 November 2009 (UTC) == [[user:Abigor|Huib]] == Howdy, You have some space for me here? I guess I will try to be active here also :-D See ya, [[User:Abigor|'''<span style="color:dark red">Huib</span>''']]<small>[[User_talk:Abigor|''<span style="color:black"> talk</span>'']]</small> 17:39, 23 November 2009 (UTC) :I think we could make some room <code>:)</code> &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:58, 23 November 2009 (UTC) == {{usercheck|Krischik}} == This person may or may not qualify for removal of tools due to inactivity. They've only made three contributions in the last year (September), none in the last month. However, admin tools were used in the past year (once) on July 6 2009. Prior to that they were used on October 9 2008 (over a year ago). Longer term, they were only used twice in 2007. I did nominate [[User:Neoptolemus|Neoptolemus]] for removal of access due to clear inactivity and left a note on their talk page and sent an email, per policy. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 15:53, 28 November 2009 (UTC) :I would include Krischik - the pattern of token admin actions which don't actually help the community yet are precisely why we don't have a set number. The policy is set up such that you cannot game it by showing up yearly to delete one page and thereby keep your tools forever. Whether they were deliberately gaming the system or not, the result is the same - no actual benefit for the community - thus removal. :Very sad to see Neoptolemus go, he was a good guy, but has moved on to other things, I guess. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:04, 28 November 2009 (UTC) ==Renames== It's unfortunate that the three other bureaucrats aren't helping you out at [[Wikibooks:Reading room/Administrative Assistance/Renaming]] - three requests are pending. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 13:31, 2 December 2009 (UTC) :The obvious solution to this (IMO) is the nomination of [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] as a 'crat/CU. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 14:24, 2 December 2009 (UTC) ::We did lose Whiteknight recently, unfortunately, which brought our number of 'crats and CUs down by one each. I will reciprocate and say that you and QuiteUnusual both demand a lot of respect given your sustained attentiveness to Wikibooks, from my perspective. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 19:22, 2 December 2009 (UTC) :::I am not willing to serve as either a 'crat or CU though. And even though you haven't been here ''that'' long, you've already made more edits than me, and I was in the top 3 until you came along ;-) You have clearly demonstrated both the technical wherewithal and the good judgement I think is needed for these roles. In short, I would consider you a superior candidate. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 19:40, 2 December 2009 (UTC) Yes, the obvious solution is to add a 'crat who is actually around sometimes. I don't think we really ''need'' another CU, but I wouldn't be opposed to it. If Adrignola wants to do the work, [[WB:RFP]] is thataway <code>:)</code> &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:49, 2 December 2009 (UTC) ==Thanks== Thanks much for the rename per my entry at [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Steward_requests/SUL_requests#Myasuda]. I really appreciate it. &mdash; [[User:Myasuda|Myasuda]] ([[User talk:Myasuda|talk]]) 16:16, 6 December 2009 (UTC) == Proxy blocking == I've noticed that there are global blocks on proxies by those at Meta, but then I see you've done some blocks on proxies yourself. Just curious as to why those handled locally weren't handled globally. Additionally, the proxy blocks globally and locally done in the past couple years seem to be temporary, while we had [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Special:BlockList&hideuserblocks=1&hidetempblocks=1 quite a few] done in the past for an infinite period of time. Do those infinite blocks need to be reevaluated? Additionally, those from October 2005 and earlier don't have a username associated with the blocks listed on the page linked to above. Thoughts? -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 18:49, 6 December 2009 (UTC) :The global blocking policy prohibits blocking open proxies for being open proxies. Yes, infinite IP blocks should have an expiry set. I'd recommend 1 year since it has been a while since they've been tested. For the very early ones, the blocks should either be removed, or re-check the IP and set an expiry if it is still a proxy. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:37, 7 December 2009 (UTC) ::Trying my best, but there's still 5000 to go. Quite mind-numbing. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 03:18, 9 December 2009 (UTC) :::I wouldn't bother doing it by hand. Should be fairly easy to set up a python script using [[m:pywikipediabot]] framework to do it in an automated fashion. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:42, 9 December 2009 (UTC) ::::Well, maybe it's easy from your perspective, but I'd have to learn Python before even getting started and then contemplate whether the community would be comfortable with a script running with admin rights. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 00:48, 10 December 2009 (UTC) :::::Admin bots are allowed. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:32, 11 December 2009 (UTC) == New pages spammers/COI candidates? == Blocked [[User:Raja.ccs]] and [[User:Rajaas]] for creating new pages in the main or user namespaces to promote capeconsultancy.com and blocked [[User:Cashgiftingmentor]] for creating user pages to promote cash-gift-trainer.com. I've added them to the spam blacklist. Potentially these could be forwarded to COIBot but it's inconvenient that COIBot only takes submissions through IRC. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 13:16, 8 December 2009 (UTC) :The scale is small enough we don't need to worry about putting it in COIBot. BTW, we're working on getting a php tool so people don't need to be on IRC to use it. If you know php (we also need someone who knows mysql)... <code>:D</code> &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:03, 8 December 2009 (UTC) ::I wouldn't call myself an expert and I'm a bit rusty, but up to this point I've known enough about the basic syntax to allow several different web applications (Mantis bug tracker, Willow task/job tracker) to integrate with the user database of the forums (Simple Machines) on my hobby website (link in profile) such that they can use one login for all. MediaWiki integration was easy since there's an extension already made (though it allows them to be automatically logged-in, while my hacks still require them to enter their forums username and password for the other web apps). I like using phpMyAdmin for working with my MySQL database and constructing queries for integration into PHP code. I wouldn't be very good at manipulating a database directly on the command line and constructing queries by hand. So, I'm a hack, but maybe it's better than not having anyone. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 16:48, 8 December 2009 (UTC) == Wikijunior talk:Introduction to Mathematics == Hello Mike, I'm just wondering if you are still working on the Introduction to Mathematics? I have used it for my elementary school child to some success and hope that you have the time to add more to it. Thanks, Troy[[Special:Contributions/205.156.36.59|205.156.36.59]] ([[User talk:205.156.36.59|talk]]) 19:30, 15 December 2009 (UTC) :Sorry, I'm not working on that book. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:01, 16 December 2009 (UTC) == {{usercheck|Derbeth}} == An interesting situation. Derbeth has made fewer than 20 edits in the past year, but the most recent tool uses were on Feb 23 2009, with any uses before that over a year ago. Those uses on the 23 I would consider to be under the bureaucrat tool use, as they were all for renaming a user. However, you can't be a bureaucrat unless you're an administrator, and administrative tools haven't been used for a year if you exclude the edits on the 23 I count as part of the user rename. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 13:44, 22 December 2009 (UTC) :I'd be inclined to post on [[WB:RFP]] and see what the community says about it. Of course, you can also email Derbeth and ask him if he wants to keep the tools. He may not. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 15:52, 22 December 2009 (UTC) ::Well, sent an email. I'll put it on [[WB:RFP]] too for good measure. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 13:11, 23 December 2009 (UTC) ==Featured recipe== Hi Mike: I can't but noticed the featured recipe has never changed in the time I've been using Wikibooks. Since becoming reviewer I've improved many recipes to the point of featured recipe status. Below is a list these recipes. Please consider choosing from this list for future features. [[User:Moby-Dick4000|Moby-Dick4000]] ([[User talk:Moby-Dick4000|talk]]) 00:00, 24 December 2009 (UTC) [[cookbook:Paella Cooking Techniques]] [[cookbook:Paella Roja]] [[cookbook:Mastering the Art of Cooking Paellas]] [[cookbook:Gambas al Ajillo]] [[cookbook:Fabes con Almejas]] [[cookbook:Arroz con Pollo]] [[cookbook:Arroz Negro]] [[cookbook:Paella Valenciana]] [[cookbook:Paella de Marisco]] [[cookbook:Arroz con Pollo]] [[cookbook:Arroz con Frijoles Negros]] [[cookbook:Arroz Tapado]] [[Cookbook:Ossobuco Alla Milanese]] [[cookbook:Spaghetti alla Carbonara]] [[cookbook:Spaghetti alla Puttanesca]] [[cookbook:Spaghetti alle Vongole]] [[cookbook:New England Clam Chowder]] [[cookbook:Whole, Roasted Turkey with Stuffing]] [[cookbook:Pumpkin Bread]] [[cookbook:Cioppino]] [[cookbook:Spaghetti and meatballs]] [[cookbook:Spaghetti with clams in white wine sauce]] [[cookbook: New York City-style pizza]] [[cookbook:Manhattan Clam Chowder]] [[cookbook:New York Cheesecake]] [[cookbook:New York City-style pizza]] [[cookbook:Jambalaya]] [[cookbook:Boeuf Bourguignon]] [[cookbook:Bouillabaisse]] [[Cookbook:Arroz con Frijoles Negros]] :(sorry, just coming in uninvited)... You can edit Cookbook main page yourself, so go ahead and change it. The policy and procedure on how to do it is [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cookbook:Policy#Featured_Recipe_and_Ingredient here]. I see nothing that says you can't just change it yourself... Maybe you shouldn't have so many Wikipedia links in a feature recipe though. <span style="color:#E66C2C">[[User:QuiteUnusual|'''Unusual? Quite''']]</span> <sup><span style="color:#306754">[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|TalkQu]]</span></sup> 09:23, 24 December 2009 (UTC) ::I'm not sure if we make featuring recipes as formal as featuring textbooks. Almost certainly not. If you think they meet the standards, then I trust you. Feel free to put them up. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 06:13, 25 December 2009 (UTC) == Wikipedia's [[w:File Transfer Protocol]] article and [[Communication Networks/FTP Protocol]] page == Hello, The Wikipedia [[w:File Transfer Protocol|File Transfer Protocol]] article contains HowTo information about FTP which should not appear on Wikipedia and would be useful on the [[Communication Networks/FTP Protocol]] page. I would like to transfer the page to wikibooks with the history information and merge the two pages on wikibooks. Tell me if there is more appropriate way to request this. [[User:Ftiercel|Ftiercel]] ([[User talk:Ftiercel|talk]]) 10:03, 30 December 2009 (UTC) :I have made a request [[Wikibooks:Requests for import#Simple Imports|here]]. [[User:Ftiercel|Ftiercel]] ([[User talk:Ftiercel|talk]]) 11:14, 30 December 2009 (UTC) == Last change to [[Wikibooks:Blocking policy]] == "If no administrator is willing to lift the block, the blocked user is effectively considered to have been banned by the community." This is not a truism, the administrative group is not static and doesn't in any way represent the community as a whole and ultimately that sense of finality that I think originally was aimed for is not in the spirit of the project (it contradicts the administrators policy, in the sense that they aren't above the rest of the community). I strongly object to that wording. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 23:06, 1 January 2010 (UTC) :That sentence was present in the original version of the page I imported from Wikipedia, just to note. Mike simply added it back in. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 23:22, 1 January 2010 (UTC) ::The text is a proposal, I still think it conveys an unnecessary and false idea of finality, it also promotes the abuse of the (recognized) right of refusal to act. One can even argue that by how it is worded an admin that goes against a previous stance from the previous active administrators would be acting against the whole community. ::This also contradicts somewhat the text that is now on the deletion policy IIRC, and the intention expressed on the [[Wikibooks:Administrators]] policy. ::Thanks for the correction [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]. Just to be clear here, I've gone into a great level of discussion with Mike on this subject in the past. My view is that the right to refuse to act was intentioned to protect administrators, and reinforce the notion that they, like all Wikibookians, are volunteers. It was not to excuse their actions (that includes the intentional exclusion from acting) from further analysis or reversal, especially if those actions were not based on (or failed to implement) a decission by consensus or reached by a clear processes. In the past this has lead to abuse and great controversy. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 01:18, 2 January 2010 (UTC) :::To be honest, I'm having trouble understanding what you're saying here. What exactly is the problem? :::It is true that if a user is indefinitely blocked and no administrator is willing to unblock them then they are considered to be banned by the community. If you want to use different words to say the same thing, then I don't really see the point. This is clear and concise. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:44, 2 January 2010 (UTC) ::::What I'm stating is that: ::::a) there is no purpose in stating it on the proposal text, based on the above rational of ''fait accompli'', and ::::b) as it is worded it is incorrect (a false statement of facts), and may be cause of conflict or disputes, even in a corrected form it would still imply a) and be redundant, [[Wikibooks:Administrators]] already provides for the right not to act. ::::You should already be aware of these facts because of the functions you perform and the time you have been performing them. The "community" is an ever changing "non entity" that is abstractedly represented only by its intentions as reflected on the policies and guidelines we adopt and change (in very specific terms the community is composed by all registered Wikibookians and no one can presume to know its will, because the project is based on consensus a block by nature is a extreme failure of that process, it is the act that excludes someone from the community). The community can't in practice block anyone (it couldn't), administrators do. They do it only based on the wishes expressed by a vocal minority that participates in a consensual decission process, in a very specific time frame. ::::Since the vocal minority that approves policies and guidelines change overtime, as does the group that has the function of implementing those rules. A refusal to act can't be stated to be permanent (as much as as indefinite block can't). ::::In any case I've now expressed and explained my opposition, why the inclusion of that phrase in the proposal is extremely negative, it is up to you to see if you can bring me to see it as having any positive value or came up with a way it can be improved (as I stated I can't, in a way it becomes meaningful) the best change I came up with is to alter the "by the community" to "from the community", but that doesn't contribute anything to the text, still be incorrect since blocked users are still part of the community even if extremely reduced in the participation and the phrase continues to promote inaction as a way to advance minority policies... ::::See if you can live with the removal of that phrase. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 03:56, 2 January 2010 (UTC) :::::Of course I can; removing it doesn't make it less true. I still don't understand what you're getting at with references to "fait accompli"... &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:58, 2 January 2010 (UTC) ::::::The "fait accompli" refers to "no administrator is willing to lift the block" (how can any one assert that, only by a full participation of all admins in a discussion, I never saw it. Even if now it seems more probable with ~15 admins, it would still remain only valid in specific time period (I wasn't agreeing with the notion that it would be valid conclusion, but stating that even if it was it would still make it inaccurate). --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 04:04, 2 January 2010 (UTC) Whether you have seen it happen or not is irrelevant. You can imagine that (picking our latest vandal) any discussion about unblocking [[User:QuiteUnusual plays wth blocks]] would end with no one being willing to remove the block. Thus, they are ''de facto'' banned by the community. Even if it hasn't happened, the thought experiment shows it is possible in theory (and you can find examples elsewhere). &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 04:09, 2 January 2010 (UTC) :Changed "by the community" to "from the project" and removed the unnecessary mention of the right not to act, keeping what I understood were your core needs. :Just because I've been watching some of those blocks. One particular user, probably a kid (this is hard to determine I'm only basing it on the actions made in the project), I was disappointed with the time of the block (indefinite), for a first time block (the user wasn't offensive only posted "spam", kid stuff, on talk pages). In the proposed text it indicates that in future, it will not be the proper solution. I really think that the proposal is an improvement on the previous one that we both supported. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 04:38, 2 January 2010 (UTC) ::Your change perverted the meaning of that sentence, so I removed it entirely. ::You obviously haven't been watching well enough - that's a prolific cross-wiki vandal, has been using many accounts to attack wikis for months now. Anything less than an immediate infinite block would indicate to me that the admin needs to have their tools revoked. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 04:47, 2 January 2010 (UTC) :::I thought that your point with the phrase was to declare those with indefinite blocks as banned from the project... :::I was referring to the block of [[User:Vampire Snuffleupagus]] is it the same IP range ? :::If so it wasn't mentioned on the block comment and I didn't noticed QuiteUnusual asking for the CU of it. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 04:54, 2 January 2010 (UTC) ::::No, they ''are'' banned. I don't need to "declare" them as such. That's what being banned ''is''. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 05:23, 2 January 2010 (UTC) ::::I didn't ask for a CU because the behavior and style of writing made it clear (on the balance of probabilities) that this was a sock of another blocked user. If I had the CU bit I wouldn't have used it to check - it isn't necessary at this stage. If the newly blocked user requests an unblock on their talk page (which they can edit. and I made it clear they were welcome to ask for an unblock) and states they are not in fact a sock then someone can decide at that point if a CU check should be performed before unblocking. It would, in my opinion, be an unnecessary breach of privacy to ask for the CU check now. There is of course no such thing as an infinite block as any admin can remove the block. Using a shorter duration block on such a potentially "high risk" user (i.e., high risk that this is in fact a prolific vandal) just opens the project to disruption when the block is forgotten and expires without someone remembering to check if it should be renewed. This is for me what infinite blocks are for - blocked until something happens to trigger an active unblock decision rather than unblocked automatically without a positive decision to do so. As such users are "effectively banned" if no admin will unblock them - which brings this back to where it started. <span style="color:#E66C2C">[[User:QuiteUnusual|'''QU''']]</span> <sup><span style="color:#306754">[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|TalkQu]]</span></sup> 12:33, 2 January 2010 (UTC) :::::I thank you for the input, I hope you understand that this isn't a criticism of your actions, you have been doing a great work on the project, it was only a remark in context to the above dicussion and mostly regarding the proposed text (not the standard practice). I assure you if I disagreed with something you did, I would talk to you first, I've done so in the past. :::::In any case because you commented I will take the chance to ask you if on that block, do you think the comment would conform to what is expected from the "Explanation of blocks" in the proposal ? :::::The remark is perfectly normal to someone not on the inside loop related to those blocks. Noted action because the user was welcomed by me, examined user contributions, saw you block comment and thought that it was a bit harsh. :::::But by the info on the action above, you say it was not directly based on that account actions but on the similitude with other already blocked user, would you see the same need not to use CU had the account made at least one positive edit ? :::::I also take this chance to note that the information necessary to contest a block had errors that made it unusable to the blocked user until "recently", don't know how it is working now... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 21:09, 2 January 2010 (UTC) :::::Look. The sentence, as it was originally written, is a tautology. It does not, in fact, imply any of the "powers" that Panic has assigned to it. Whether the sentence is there, in its original form, or removed in its entirety, has no effect on its meaning. If no administrator wants to unblock someone, he is banned from WB by definition, and whether that sentence is there in the policy, or not, does not affect the nature of the block or the fact of the ban. The only potential for interpretation is the phrase "by the community", which a sensible reader would take as meaning "by WB". My personal inclination would be to yank that sentence entirely as being pointless, and then leave it at that. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 17:15, 2 January 2010 (UTC) ::::::More or less my point. I wouldn't say it was a tautology. The meaning I thought Mike wanted to express, and to what I think you are referring is not clearly stated on the text but on the other hand I agree that it is implied (not evident but inferred). But it seems that was not the meaning Mike seems to have wanted to include... ::::::Note that at present, after the edits, there is no mention of a ban on the proposed text. I agree with you that it is implied and unnecessary but would understand and compromise on having it clearly stated. ::::::In any case, after all this, I don't fully understand why Mike thought it important to include the phrase, and the reason to have so an extensive thread about it. I do believe that the inclusion of the phase was see as necessary and important by Mike (one of the reasons I initiated the discussion), but since he stated my rewording perverted what he intended to convey, I can only fall back to my initial assertion that the points that I strongly disagreed with (and not opposed above), were indeed what was wanted to be included. ::::::There is a clear distinction on the use of "by the community" or "by WB" (in a lesser degree) and "from WB" (and variations), this may be a moot point to the general Wikibookian but people that deal with the project policy making should understand and respect the distinction. If "by" was used we would be stating that the administration represents the community, this is false and dangerous statement. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 21:39, 2 January 2010 (UTC) It ''is'' a tautology, that's the point. That's why when you changed it to mean something different, I said "screw it" and removed it entirely. The statement is true regardless whether it is included or not; I happen to think it clarifies matters and should therefore be included. However if your formulation has an unintended meaning then it confuses instead of clarifies. The exact wording I re-inserted is the best I've come across, and is used Wikimedia-wide because of that. I think following suit makes sense. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:04, 3 January 2010 (UTC) :This is a bit of a different discussion. [[w:Tautology (rhetoric)|Tautology when applied to rhetoric]] doesn't encompass a meaning that is deduced but was not clearly stated before (this is distinct of [[w:Tautology (logic)|tautology when applied to logic]]), in rhetoric, speaking or writing a language there is a requirement for the repetition of something that has already been stated, this was not the case. :When referring to tautology in logic it means that a formula is true in every possible interpretation, I don't think that Chazz was using the word in this context (since this isn't a logic problem and I granted that it could be inferred) but probably you are, as such I contested that this interpretation of the validity of the affirmation was flawed and provided the rational to defend my points. I also don't think Chass will support the interpretation I provided for the original wording, in any case I was defending the action you took of including the phrase, if you now have changed you opinion, that is excellent, I also hope you understood to what I was objecting in the first place. :Since some things should be made clear so this was not a complete waste of time, and because people may be interpreting things differently, I would like to restate the flowing points so we can close this issue in mutual understanding if someone disagrees with my opinion then clearly state so, and why. If not we should consider that we at came to an agreement on this two points and the discussion will remain closed. :a)In general terms can the administration represent the community ? (I'm opposed to this notion as "always true", even if I would agree that in specific instances <u>if no opposition is raised</u> that is the practical result. This is why we have policies and guidelines. Stating something that vague in a policy or guidelines should be objectionable, this must be clear to all, there are several issues that aren't consensual between the administrative group and the same is valid to the rest of the community, this is also why the processes of decision aren't restricted to administrators) :b)Should we promote inaction to resolve issues ? (I'm opposed to this notion, fallowing the decission process we must base most decission on the project, inaction equates to a block stance, nothing is resolved, it is a recognition of the volunteer status and something akin to of a escape clause provided to administrators to permit the suspension of the expectations the community places on them to use the tools to perform very specific tasks, this to me, is the only valid justification for example to the removal of the tools due to inactivity) --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 03:23, 3 January 2010 (UTC) ::I didn't understand your objection at all, and I still don't. This is sadly not a rare situation. ::As to a) No, that statement is not always true in all circumstances. But that doesn't mean the sentence should be left out. ::As to b) I have no idea what you're talking about. ::&nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:32, 3 January 2010 (UTC) :::Sorry if we have a problem communicating and I will bare all the blame for that, I try to address this fault of mine by keeping to a subject until some mutual understanding is reached, so I will always have the patience to address the situation... :::Point b) addressed the "If no administrator is willing to..." remember that I rewrote it as "While...", the original wording would promote inaction. :::Those were the points about the meaning of the phrase you restored that I objected to, since you discarded my rewording that was an attempt to resolve those issues I now don't have a clue what other meaning you wanted included, but if you are happy without it, then it is also is fine by me. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 03:41, 3 January 2010 (UTC) ::::I'm happy to ignore the issue, since I do not understand what you're on about. No more orange bars tonight, please. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 04:03, 3 January 2010 (UTC) :::::My deepest apologies for making just one last orange bar... I have to point out that in this context, a tautology would be the statement "a=a" or "if a, then a". In this case, "no administrator acts to remove a block" = "the individual is banned"; the two sides of the equivalence are effectively identical. The '''only''' points of contention that I can see, and those only if I have my nit-picking lenses on, are a) the implicit equivalence "WB" = "community" = "administrators", and b) the "promotion of inactivity as a means of response." The first point is what Panic seems to be pounding at in his reams of postings here. The second is a straw man that he has created himself, in order to knock it down; administrators are not being told anything about how they should act around blocks. But: as you point out, the tautology does not need to stay present in order for it to be true. Removing the sentence removes both the implied administrator = community questionable equivalence, and any implied call to inaction, which is why I suggested removing it. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 07:20, 3 January 2010 (UTC) 9ra1509hr1iz4i2vnpzgknokmw2d1s9 3 222567 4654251 1931056 2026-07-12T18:32:27Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654251 wikitext text/x-wiki <[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 29|older]] [[User talk:Mike.lifeguard/Archive 31|newer]]> {{Talkarchive}} {{-}} == Global Sysop vote == What's with all the constant questioning of everybody who has added an 'oppose' vote for the Global Sysop proposal? Why are these people (including myself) being harassed? Let people have their say and move on. I don't see lots of questions being asked of those who've voted in support of the proposal?--[[User:Xania|ЗAНИA]] [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|<sup>talk</sup>]] 21:15, 7 January 2010 (UTC) :The point is they need to ''say'' why they oppose. I've been working on this series of proposals for probably a year, maybe more. It is insulting that people would not give due consideration. Asking for that is not harassment. The reason I haven't asked supporters for the same is because they are indicating agreement with the proposal - which outlines very precisely the rationale. Some have included additional reasoning, which is even better. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:03, 7 January 2010 (UTC) {{tb|Seb_az86556}} [[meta:User talk:Seb az86556]] (<what's up with the template?) :<s>I have revised my comments to a better wording</s> and added a "proposal to amend wording"-section at the bottom of the voting-page. Feel free to comment. Thank you. [[meta:User talk:Seb az86556]]</s> Actually, how about [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_sysops%2FVote&action=historysubmit&diff=1800584&oldid=1800583 this]. Peace. [[meta:User talk:Seb az86556]] ==Global sysop amendment== hello Mike. Thank you for your constructive comments on the section I added to the global sysop-vote ("proposal to amend wording"). You bring up a good point about granting permanent sysop-ship as well. Please see my comment in that section for further discussion. I highly appreciate your cooperation. [[User:Seb az86556|Seb az86556]] ([[User talk:Seb az86556|talk]]) 21:49, 10 January 2010 (UTC) ==Accusing== I went through ANI regarding this individual. If you want to look through my recent history you will see it, but since this is public I will not name names. I was asked to stop, I have stopped the proceedings. You can contact me at trackinfoorg at yahoo if you wish. Nothing was solved. My conclusion is: Administrators will just protect their own. We mere editors have little say. I raised the issue not because of my stub article, but because of the obvious history this guy has. That "habit" was not dealt with and in fact, was praised. This great plan you are so heavily advocating will result in empowering more of these monsters to arbitrarily delete things--without using the procedures in place. One powerful person's opinion outweighs the ability of another to defend their work. That is not how consensus is achieved or how WP should work. Power corrupts.[[User:Trackinfo|Trackinfo]] ([[User talk:Trackinfo|talk]]) 21:26, 15 January 2010 (UTC) :We currently have a group of fewer people with more power. The proposal aims to spread it out more, and you somehow think that's a problem? &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:54, 16 January 2010 (UTC) == GSysop == Just a few clarification, nothing important or urgent (you can even point me to the right pages and I'll look them over), that is missing on that discussion or I couldn't find a mention of it.<br> #If the proposal was adopted what projects would qualify for criteria? #:[[m:Global sysops/wiki set]] (with additions/removals depending upon who opts-in/-out)&nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:46, 19 January 2010 (UTC) #Why was it decided for a top down approach and not rely in each of the "needy" projects to call for outside help, this seems would be more representative and less bureaucratic. #:The whole point is that these projects don't really have that capacity. That's also why we're trying to provide a hopefully-sane default for inclusion, while still allowing adjustment per-wiki as needed. Furthermore, the people doing this work are largely [[m:SWMT]] members -- and that group ''is'' calling for global sysops. Vocally. The main proposers all come from that group. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:46, 19 January 2010 (UTC) #I'm not aware on the procedures and qualifications but is this a sign that Wikimedia is creating too many projects or making it too easy to put them up without thinking on the wasting of good faith by volunteers and resources that could be better invested elsewhere? #:No, I think the need for this reflects the maturation of the community. As we get older, we have fewer new contributors, which means fewer people countering vandalism. So, there's a need to have more people with privileged access sufficient to take up the slack. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:46, 19 January 2010 (UTC) Personally my intuited responses to those questions is what decided my vote. I think that due to the chaos that seems to be reigning on those pages clarifying this issues would help. I also have a particular dislike on how votes/pools outside of wikibooks are coordinated in general, I know here we (sadly) do not always do it formally but we at least can keep some order, its a freak show out-there... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 08:21, 19 January 2010 (UTC) :I've replied inline for most. :I do agree, the vote has become a bit of a cesspool - I don't envy the steward to has to read everything and come to a conclusion as to what consensus exists, if any. The main issue truly is a lack of understanding. For example, people are questioning that there is even a problem with vandalism. While that is self-evident to myself, and many others who do work in that area (and so we see it day in day out), it is not so evident to many. I wish there was an easy way we could show people something to prove there is a problem that needs fixing, but that is not so easy to do - the best way is to have them join us and see for themselves as it happens. But that isn't likely to occur. Likewise, actually reading and understanding the proposal is a problem. People have been complaining that there is no restriction like "vandalism only" -- but that is exactly what "urgent abuse" refers to. We simply used that to include spam and malbots and ... so on. In fact, most complaints are actually dealt with in the proposal. :&nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:46, 19 January 2010 (UTC) ::Thanks for the info. It changed a bit my position on the subject and if the clarification is added (regarding the default opt-in, and how to get out of it) I'll remove my opposition. I still think the general approach is bad but also understand the issue with vandalism, so there is a need for balance and because you said the push for the proposal to pass is coming from projects that are affected, then it isn't my place to block it.<br> ::The reasons I'm still in disagree result from the creation of the function. The communities that should care for the each project will loses some control over them (or diverted form exerting it). ::Fighting vandalism also shows what fragilities exist and by reducing the need for them to take responsibility then few will decide to take a more active role on those projects (that is why I agree with some of the opinions that if there isn't enough critical mass projects should fold). Taking up bureaucratic tasks (not particularly using the tools) isn't the major motivator for people to join the project in the first place but is as important or more than only contributing content, it is also more time sensitive and requires a greater commitment. This is why I'm also discontent with abolishing of the patrolling of pages here, it provided a reason for people to understand what is going on beyond their pet projects and move from a being a simpler user to a full member of the community. Most of our promotions for the other tools came from that group of people. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 07:03, 20 January 2010 (UTC) :::I'm not sure what you wanted to clarify that projects can opt-in/-out and that the project activity guidelines are just hopefully-sane defaults. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:52, 21 January 2010 (UTC) ::::The first rewrite proposal (second vote on that page), has impact on how future discussion would proceed on each project. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 01:18, 22 January 2010 (UTC) :::::Not really. That's ''very'' close to the standard we'd use anyways - it is just an attempt to write it down. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 14:46, 22 January 2010 (UTC) == [[Wikibooks:Requests for deletion#Slackersbible]] == Check the discussion and if you agree cast your vote (you were the proponent of that RfD). --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 02:06, 27 January 2010 (UTC) ==[[The Entrepreneur's Almanac]]== Mike, I need some help knowing what it is that the staff of Wiki want from us regarding the copyright on this material. I thought we just took care of this with one of the other admins. I'm not sure what exactly you took issue with regarding the link you sent, there is some similar wording but I assure you that all of the content of the document has been reviewed by attorneys and is perfectly legal for us to post in this realm, as it is owned by the Maryland State Bar Association. A group which consists of business and COPYRIGHT attorneys and I was told that all I had to do was make the link on the first page and that would take care of the issue. As you can see, I did link to the MSBA website, and I will properly cite any text that is determined to be derived from a government document, but please keep in mind that I am new to this and still do not have your system completely figured out yet, so I am somewhat slow in my edits. Please feel free to call me and discuss any legal issues you have with this publication as I am an attorney and I am sure that we can clear up any concerns that the Wiki people have with our submission. Thank you, Bill McComas 410-385-4233 :Probably just a coincidence that I found some matching text then - no problem. We just need you to email {{email|info|wikibooks.org}} saying that all the copyright holders release their work under the site license (cc-by-sa). I know you've done this on-wiki, but we need you to do it by email, using an email address associated with the Maryland State Bar Association. Otherwise, you could be anybody - and getting away with copyright infringement. Thanks &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 03:22, 11 February 2010 (UTC) Thank you for your reply, I will have someone email you as soon as possible from the MSBA to confirm that this is a collaborative work created by the attorneys that are involved with the project. I appreciate your diligence in monitoring the copyrights for wiki, and apologize if I was curt in my reply, I was just getting very frustrated with trying to comb through all of your pages to get an answer to what exactly you all wanted or needed from us to post this publication, and for someone that is not as technically literate as it appears everyone else is on this site, I was just trying to get the thing up so people could see it, and as soon as I typed something it seemed you all were mighty quick on the trigger. I would appreciate it if we could take down the huge signs on the site that accuse us of copyright infringement in the meantime as it is defaming to our organization to accuse us without verification. Thank you for your help in this matter, once again, I invite you to call me with any further concerns that you may have regarding the posted publication. Bill McComas Esq. oh and p.s. I will work on splitting it up into smaller sections once I get the information posted, and if you could rename the publication to The Maryland Entrepreneur's Guide I would very much appreciate it. Thanks again :Done & done. Thanks for taking care of this - there's no real rush, the text isn't going anywhere while you get someone to email us. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:15, 14 February 2010 (UTC) Thank you for your help, I will work on the rest of the subsections, and you should be receiving the email soon from the MSBA. Bill :I haven't seen anything emailed to us - did you do that but someone else replied to the email? Or maybe you haven't gotten around to it &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:13, 14 March 2010 (UTC) == [[Special:Contributions/Jkelly952|k-12math.info]] == Quite a few pages have been created recently (they stand out too, in all-caps) with links to k-12math.info. I do not see an appropriate license on that page and suspect these additions are to promote this website. While [[User:Jkelly952|Jkelly952]] states that he is Jim Kelly, at the very least these need to have an OTRS notification, but this could be link spam. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 17:12, 15 February 2010 (UTC) What is an OTRS notification? I use a .info extension because the purpose of my site is to provide information, with no distraction or screen space being taken up with advertising. And I am not sure what "link spam" is ? Sorry if my 68 year old mind does not fully understand - I am just trying to provide information. -- Jim Kelly [[User:Jkelly952|Jkelly952]] :OTRS is just the way of raising a request (open ticket request system). If you read [[Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission|here]] on Wikipedia it explains how to request copyright permission. It's easy to infer from here how you also give the permission to reuse your material. The book if created here should not have "k-12math.info" as the name because this is "link spam". That is, it relates the name of a web site (k-12math.info) directly to Wikibooks. It is also not a sensible name for a book. For example, if you wrote a paper book about Wikibooks you wouldn't title it ''en.wikibooks.org'', you'd call it "Wikibooks". Similarly you should find a more descriptive name for your text book that doesn't appear to promote your web site. You should also read the guide to structuring books here as the pages should be named in a way that links them together. Thanks <span style="color:#E66C2C">[[User:QuiteUnusual|'''QU''']]</span> <sup><span style="color:#306754">[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|TalkQu]]</span></sup> 08:45, 14 March 2010 (UTC) I don't see anything at [[k-12math.info]] - am I missing something? I'll look into any link additions though. @Jkelly952: you can email {{email|info|wikibooks.org}} with a release for the copyright on anything you add to Wikibooks that's been previously published elsewhere. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:10, 14 March 2010 (UTC) :Mike, a number of unlinked / ungrouped pages were added by Jim and then tagged (due to the possible copyvio) with the qr-em template, and then deleted about 2 weeks later. You can see them in the [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/Jkelly952 deleted contributions]. <span style="color:#E66C2C">[[User:QuiteUnusual|'''QU''']]</span> <sup><span style="color:#306754">[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|TalkQu]]</span></sup> 21:37, 14 March 2010 (UTC) :Ah, right-o. Thanks for that. :Incidentally, the only links to that domain were added by Jkelly952, but I don't think it is really a spam problem. <span style="color:#4B0082; font-weight:bold;">[[User:Mike.lifeguard|mikelifeguard]]@[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|enwikibooks]]:&#126;$&nbsp;</span> 03:05, 15 March 2010 (UTC) == musthighschool.com == [[Special:Contributions/Jackiboa|Jackiboa]] had added links to several books to this commercial website. They also [[v:Special:Contributions/Jackiboa|spammed at Wikiversity]]. It may be worth looking into whether any other accounts have tried to promote this website. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 12:25, 16 March 2010 (UTC) :Nope, that's the only account that's added the link. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;<span style="color:#4B0082; font-weight:bold;">[[User:Mike.lifeguard|mikelifeguard]]@[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|enwikibooks]]:&#126;$&nbsp;</span> 00:43, 19 March 2010 (UTC) ==[[v:Wikiversity:Community Review/Wikimedia Ethics:Ethical Breaching Experiments]]== Just wanted to alert you to this - your wisdom and experience could be helpful. -- [[User:Jtneill|Jtneill]] - <small>[[User talk:Jtneill|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Jtneill|c]]</small> 11:40, 19 March 2010 (UTC) :I've been watching from afar, and that's all I plan to do. This is something the Wikiversity community needs to deal with themselves. My best advice is that while you may not like Jimbo's unilateral actions, it doesn't mean he's wrong. There ''are'' truths in what he's saying - recognizing those will be for the best. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;<span style="color:#4B0082; font-weight:bold;">[[User:Mike.lifeguard|mikelifeguard]]@[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|enwikibooks]]:&#126;$&nbsp;</span> 13:07, 19 March 2010 (UTC) == FYI == [[Special:Contributions/Cro-mag rally registration code : AMAHFJDHFMAM|User:Cro-mag rally registration code : AMAHFJDHFMAM]] may appear as a problem elsewhere. It has the pattern of blanking pages and has done so to earn an infinite block [http://toolserver.org/~vvv/sulutil.php?user=Cro-mag+rally+registration+code+%3A+AMAHFJDHFMAM here and at Wiktionary]. An account was also registered at Wikiquote, so I wouldn't be surprised if it happened there too. Now, you might expect that trolls would get angry about their vandalism being rolled back; however, this guy took the initiative and decided to [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAdrignola&action=historysubmit&diff=1754058&oldid=1752027 threaten to kill me] even before I noticed their work. You'd think they'd be smarter than to vandalize an admin's page; nothing will get a ban faster. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 16:33, 10 April 2010 (UTC) :Yes, they got noticed yesterday by other stewards... I think we're ok for now &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;<span style="color:#4B0082; font-weight:bold;">[[User:Mike.lifeguard|mikelifeguard]]@[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|enwikibooks]]:&#126;$&nbsp;</span> 03:15, 15 April 2010 (UTC) == [[MakerFairePedia]] == Will this be in project scope? "The online Maker Faire '''encyclopedia''' that anyone who can figure out how can edit." -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 19:32, 17 May 2010 (UTC) :I think the longer-range plans will ok here. JPS seems to know what he's doing, so I'm willing to give him some rope. We may find it needs to find a wiki elsewhere in the future, but I'm OK to leave it for now. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;<span style="color:#4B0082; font-weight:bold;">[[User:Mike.lifeguard|mikelifeguard]]@[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|enwikibooks]]:&#126;$&nbsp;</span> 19:50, 17 May 2010 (UTC) ==3RR== Who violated 3RR? [[w:simple:User_talk:PiRSquared17]] or [[w:simple:User_talk:Kaiserreich]]? [[Special:Contributions/83.11.75.38|83.11.75.38]] ([[User talk:83.11.75.38|talk]]) 19:47, 6 June 2010 (UTC) [http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APiRSquared17&action=historysubmit&diff=2239253&oldid=2239248 See], PiRSquared17 insults me calling me troll. [[User:Kaiserreich|Kaiserreich]] ([[User talk:Kaiserreich|talk]]) 19:56, 6 June 2010 (UTC) :I don't really care - this is about making spurious requests of stewards. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;<span style="color:#4B0082; font-weight:bold;">[[User:Mike.lifeguard|mikelifeguard]]@[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|enwikibooks]]:&#126;$&nbsp;</span> 03:35, 8 June 2010 (UTC) == Gadgets == As a theoretical, if we get all the files moved to Commons, will the ''Autodelete and delink images using Twinkle'' gadget be needed any longer? Also, the ''Bottom tabs'' and ''Six tabs'' gadgets don't work in Vector. Should those be updated, or marked as Monobook-only, or can they be removed from [[MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition]] without affecting anyone using them? &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 02:29, 24 June 2010 (UTC) :1) Nope, it wouldn't be needed 2) They should be marked as monobook-only for now, but I do want to eventually rewrite it in a vector-compatible way. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;<span style="color:#4B0082; font-weight:bold;">[[User:Mike.lifeguard|mikelifeguard]]@[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|enwikibooks]]:&#126;$&nbsp;</span> 16:04, 24 June 2010 (UTC) == SUL on wikibooks == hallo Mike.lifeguard, I would like to verify my account on wikibooks. Greetings [[User:Kalima]] :It already is attached to your global account. &nbsp;&ndash;&nbsp;<code style="color:#4B0082; font-weight:bold;">[[User:Mike.lifeguard|mike]]@[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|en.wb]]:&#126;$&nbsp;</code> 17:42, 12 July 2010 (UTC) == IRC quiet == Hi Mike, I am not sure what the deal was with those scripts but I disabled them now. You shouldn't have a problem. I was eating breakfast and so did not realize there was a problem. Could you unquiet me? If I want to experiment with bots, I will do it on a separate account. My apologies for the disturbance. [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 13:12, 13 July 2010 (UTC) :Can a regular IRC user quiet a bot user if he is flagged as such? [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 13:13, 13 July 2010 (UTC) ::A regular user cannot quiet anyone. &nbsp;&ndash;&nbsp;<code style="color:#4B0082; font-weight:bold;">[[User:Mike.lifeguard|mike]]@[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|en.wb]]:&#126;$&nbsp;</code> 01:24, 15 July 2010 (UTC) ==The_Hawk== Do you know who operates the IRC Bot The_Hawk? I thought it might be nice if it were updated to watch the new proposals reading room. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 11:49, 15 July 2010 (UTC) :I do & done &nbsp;&ndash;&nbsp;<code style="color:#4B0082; font-weight:bold;">[[User:Mike.lifeguard|mike]]@[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|en.wb]]:&#126;$&nbsp;</code> 02:28, 16 July 2010 (UTC) == First Aid PDF == Is there a reason to have a [[:File:First Aid - print on demand.pdf|static copy]] of the on-demand PDF linked from the template on [[First Aid]]? &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 19:01, 18 July 2010 (UTC) :So people don't have to figure out the mess of non-usability that is the book creator? It should probably be updated, but there is certainly a purpose for it. &nbsp;&ndash;&nbsp;<code style="color:#4B0082; font-weight:bold;">[[User:Mike.lifeguard|mike]]@[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|en.wb]]:&#126;$&nbsp;</code> 01:02, 19 July 2010 (UTC) ::I updated {{tl|Collection}} to provide direct links to the PDF and printed versions. Nothing to figure out if people don't have to use it period. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 01:47, 19 July 2010 (UTC) :::Sweet deal :D &nbsp;&ndash;&nbsp;<code style="color:#4B0082; font-weight:bold;">[[User:Mike.lifeguard|mike]]@[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|en.wb]]:&#126;$&nbsp;</code> 16:38, 19 July 2010 (UTC) == G'day Mike == As a very new chap over here on wikibooks, I don't really feel that I should join in the discussion about the unblock of thekohser, which I would support, but I did think it was worth popping in here to ask about your recent request to remove your checkuser rights on this project. I just had a bit of a chat about this on the stewards IRC channel (really to learn about how the various rights work etc.) and I thought I'd follow it up by popping in here. I'm sure you'd be aware that there's a risk of a 'fishy' appearance to your stepping down, because of the simultaneous request to remove Adrignola's rights, due to there no longer being two checkusers - and in part due to your technical ability, as a steward, to restore your checkuser rights if you felt there was an emergency (perhaps if a 'globally banned' user was active ;-) - anywhoo, I thought your take on the whole thing was worth asking for - and I think it'd probably be best to explicitly state it if you've decided not to use checkuser on this wiki under any circumstances - which I personally feel would be for the best :-) cheers, [[User:Privatemusings|Privatemusings]] ([[User talk:Privatemusings|talk]]) 06:23, 13 August 2010 (UTC) :Without the local CU bit, I have no such plans. &nbsp;&ndash;&nbsp;<code style="color:#4B0082; font-weight:bold;">[[User:Mike.lifeguard|mike]]@[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|en.wb]]:&#126;$&nbsp;</code> 11:44, 13 August 2010 (UTC) pbjwyc75b7wis57fqo4j7lco3rfraxn 2 222668 4654289 4653476 2026-07-13T09:08:50Z Tommy Kronkvist 107268 User statistics. 4654289 wikitext text/x-wiki <div style="margin: 0 0 1em 0;">{{userpage}}</div> {{Userboxtop|toptext=Babel:}} {{user language|sv|N}}{{user language|en|4}}{{user language|de|2}}{{user language|la|1}} {{userboxbreak|toptext=WikiProjects:}} {{User Chess}} {{Userboxbottom}} [[File:Sorbus torminalis Trunk and canopy.jpg|thumb|200px|left]]<br /> Most of my wiki contributions are made to [[:species:Main Page|Wikispecies]] where I'm an administrator, bureaucrat and interface admin,<small><sup>[https://species.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&limit=1&username=Tommy_Kronkvist (verify)]</sup></small> as administrator and interface ditto at the Swedish version of [[wikivoyage:sv:Huvudsida|Wikivoyage]]<small><sup>(<span class="plainlinks">[https://sv.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&limit=1&username=Tommy_Kronkvist verify]</span>)</sup></small> and to the Swedish Wikimedia Chapter [[WMSE:|Wikimedia Sverige]], where I'm also an admin.<small><sup>(<span class="plainlinks">[https://se.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Användare&limit=1&username=Tommy_Kronkvist verify]</span>)</sup></small> I've made a total of [[:meta:Special:CentralAuth/Tommy_Kronkvist|396,600 edits]] to 153 different Wikimedia sister projects, since August 2008 when I first registered my user account. (Data per July&nbsp;13, 2026.) Swedish is my mother tongue&nbsp;– even though I was born in Finland&nbsp;– but I feel fairly comfortable speaking and writing English and some German as well. Odd as it may seem, unfortunately I can't speak any Finnish. My family name consists of two parts: ''kron'' – a short form of the Swedish word ''krona'' meaning 'crown', as in coronation crown or tree crown – and ''kvist'', meaning 'bough' or 'twig'. Hence the name ''Kronkvist'' refers to a twig in the canopy of a forest. I'm the fourth generation of Kronkvist's. Before that our family name was ''Mattus'', dating back from at least 1637. I've lived all over Sweden (for example in Stockholm and in the Gothenburg area) but nowadays reside in Uppsala, the fourth biggest city and former capital of Sweden. 2p8stt02oek2kx3j6f7ditovluq59wn 3 222770 4654218 2015264 2026-07-12T18:09:18Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654218 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talkarchive}} == Deleting a page == Hello, I noticed in the [[Calculus]] book that there were two nearly identical sections. It is obvious one is a copy of the other. Can you delete one of these? One is [[Calculus/Integration techniques/Tangent Half Angle]] and I think that one should stay just because the name is better. The other is [[Calculus/Integration techniques/Rational Functions Using Trig]] and I think this one should be deleted. If you compare them, literally the only difference is the second has 2 extra worthless lines at the top. Thanks, not sure how this works. [[User:NumberTheorist|NumberTheorist]] ([[User talk:NumberTheorist|talk]]) 04:08, 3 March 2010 (UTC) :I have merged the histories of the pages and updated the navigation links on the adjacent pages as well as updated the print version. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 13:06, 3 March 2010 (UTC) == Creating a New Book from an Old Book == Hi Aaron, I dunno if you saw [[User:Mike1722]]'s questions in [[Wikibooks:Reading_room/Assistance#Chemistry|the Reading Room]], but apparently, he wanted to make a new version of [[General Chemistry]], but aimed at Middle School students. I suggested he start a new book, and he did. But his [[Special:Contributions/Mike1722|Recent Contributions]] show that he has either decided to change General Chemistry, or he is mistakenly removing content from it. I [[User talk:Mike1722|tried to get his attention]], but he has ignored my every attempt. I was on the verge of blocking him and rolling back his changes, but then he stopped making edits (still without answering). I don't want to do that, but he might force my hand. I know the WB community frowns on forking, but in this case, I think it is completely justified. I assume there is still no good way to make a copy (i.e., a fork) with a history merge - short of importing to a foreign wiki and then importing from there. The only other option would be a manual copy, noting the history in the talk page. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this whole matter (including whether we should block him if he continues to edit without responding). --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 16:12, 9 March 2010 (UTC) :Noting the original page would be fine for CC-BY-SA, providing attribution. I have rolled back all his edits. They are all removals of valuable content from [[General Chemistry]] with no attempt to even refactor. I would indeed block him if he were to return and start removing content from pages, degrading a book that was a featured book nominee in the past. Finally, I have queried the new book page he created. It's "be bold", not "be destructive". -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 18:09, 9 March 2010 (UTC) ::I don't think he was trying to be destructive. He is trying to create a new chemistry book for middle school and was trying to use [[General Chemistry]] as a starting point. I believe he ''thought'' he was in his new copy when he started removing content. He did eventually respond to my contact attempts, and was plenty contrite. We need to be careful about biting the newbie. Do you know of a good way for him to copy the work over to his new space and turn it into a derivative work? Would it be sufficient to note the copy in the preface or in the introduction, or does it have to be mentioned on every single page (either in the talk page or maybe even in the edit summaries). --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 20:31, 9 March 2010 (UTC) :::I would note the source page in the page creation edit summary using the standard link syntax. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 22:09, 9 March 2010 (UTC) == template migration == Hi Adrignola, Could you migrate over the templates (apart from NaviTOC) at [w:Category:Na'vi templates]? I copied two of them, but would prefer that we keep their histories intact. Thanks, [[User:Kwamikagami|—Kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 05:46, 28 February 2010 (UTC) :This is odd. I can import from Wikipedia, Wikisource, Wikiquote, Wikiversity, and Meta, but not Wiktionary. Simple (now deleted) is still there though. I suppose a bug could be submitted but by the time it'd be fixed we'd have forgotten about this... -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 13:49, 28 February 2010 (UTC) ::Thanks to the completion of the bug I filed, [[bugzilla:22674|22674]], I have successfully imported the histories of the templates you requested. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 22:33, 15 March 2010 (UTC) :::Thanks! [[User:Kwamikagami|—Kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 23:10, 15 March 2010 (UTC) Oh, and I moved the dict. subpages to Na'vi/Na'vi-English dictionary/xx. The old pages can be deleted, as AFAIK n.t links to them. Some words will be released over the next couple of weeks. Then I plan to post a (simpler) English-Na'vi dict, and will apply for featured status. [[User:Kwamikagami|—Kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 11:55, 17 March 2010 (UTC) == Question == Hi Adrignola, I'm a bit confused here. I thought non-editors only saw reviewed versions of pages? But when I posted the English-Na'vi dict (which includes some words which have not yet been publicly released), and logged out, I could still see everything. So are unreviewed changes only not visible if the reader chooses them to be so? Thanks, :[[User:Kwamikagami|—Kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 12:45, 18 March 2010 (UTC) ::Non-editors will see the latest reviewed version of a page; however, if the page hasn't been reviewed at all, they will see the latest version. All the pages of [[Na'vi]] are either reviewed up through the latest version or unreviewed (like [[Na'vi/English-Na'vi dictionary]]). I assume that one unreviewed page is the one you're referring to. If you don't want anonymous readers to see the latest version, you need to go to the history and review the specific revision that represents what they should see by default. If readers couldn't see pages that hadn't been reviewed at all, the 75% of the pages in the wiki that haven't been reviewed for any revision couldn't be read. And to answer your final question, readers can choose to view the draft version of a page via the indicator that appears if they aren't logged in and are viewing a page with unreviewed revisions. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 13:06, 18 March 2010 (UTC) :::Thanks, that makes sense. [[User:Kwamikagami|—Kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 13:11, 18 March 2010 (UTC) :::So, once I review it, how do I made additional edits without automatically reviewing them? [[User:Kwamikagami|—Kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 13:19, 18 March 2010 (UTC) ::::If you are editing a page with unreviewed revisions, simply do not check the box under the comment field to review the revision. It should not autoreview unless the previous revision was reviewed and you yourself are a reviewer. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 15:30, 18 March 2010 (UTC) == Username change.. == Hello. I'd like to change my username from ''L'Orgoglio'' to ''MykeSoBe''. I have already requested the same username change on Wikipedia and am currently waiting for it to happen. Auguri, [[User:L&#39;Orgoglio|L&#39;Orgoglio]] ([[User talk:L&#39;Orgoglio|talk]]) 23:44, 20 March 2010 (UTC) :[[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] '''Done'''. Visit [[Special:MergeAccount]] later on to unify your account with the one at Wikipedia. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 00:01, 21 March 2010 (UTC) == Thanks ;) == Thanks for reformatting my Pizzonese wikibook's main page. [[User:MykeSoBe|MykeSoBe]] ([[User talk:MykeSoBe|talk]]) 01:06, 21 March 2010 (UTC) == Project Page == Thanks! That's just what I wanted to ask you. :) I did not know what would be the result if I create a page 'Wikibooks:...'. My next dump question is what about the subpages of a project page? Does it work, if I create pages of the form 'Wikibooks:.../subpage'? Reg. [[User:Mozo|Mozo]] ([[User talk:Mozo|talk]]) 20:47, 21 March 2010 (UTC) :Sure it does! Check out the links to the reading rooms from [[Wikibooks:Reading room]] and how they are structured. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 21:54, 21 March 2010 (UTC) ::Many thanks for your help! [[User:Mozo|Mozo]] ([[User talk:Mozo|talk]]) 14:21, 22 March 2010 (UTC) == history merge == Hi, Would you mind deleting [[Na'vi/Particles]] and merging the page history with [[Na'vi/Discourse]]? I should've just moved it, but didn't plan very well. No need to merge the history from today. Thanks! [[User:Kwamikagami|—Kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 18:46, 23 March 2010 (UTC) :[[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] '''Done'''. [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 22:41, 23 March 2010 (UTC) ::Thanks! [[User:Kwamikagami|—Kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 14:01, 24 March 2010 (UTC) == [[Talk:Muggles' Guide to Harry Potter/Characters/Albus Dumbledore]] == I'm not requesting a restore... the content you describe in the deletion notes does not merit restoration. I am surprised that there was no edit history, though, as I thought there was at least something there; and I am wondering when that content was actually put up there, as i should have seen it on my watchlist if it happened anytime in the past year or more. Is that really all that had happened on Dumbledore's talk page? [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 14:58, 25 March 2010 (UTC) :I'm afraid that the revision I deleted today was the only one and it was created today as well. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 15:12, 25 March 2010 (UTC) ::Which would also explain why it didn't show up in my watchlist — it wasn't there any more. Thank you. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 18:13, 25 March 2010 (UTC) == [[Talk:Muggles' Guide to Harry Potter/Characters/Albus Dumbledore]] == I'm not requesting a restore... the content you describe in the deletion notes does not merit restoration. I am surprised that there was no edit history, though, as I thought there was at least something there; and I am wondering when that content was actually put up there, as i should have seen it on my watchlist if it happened anytime in the past year or more. Is that really all that had happened on Dumbledore's talk page? [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 14:58, 25 March 2010 (UTC) :I'm afraid that the revision I deleted today was the only one and it was created today as well. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 15:12, 25 March 2010 (UTC) ::Which would also explain why it didn't show up in my watchlist — it wasn't there any more. Thank you. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 18:13, 25 March 2010 (UTC) == Thanks for helping Wikibook virgins.. == Thanks! We just started a geochronology book and are very pleased to have you help us!<br /> --[[User:Dcondon|Dcondon]] ([[User talk:Dcondon|talk]]) 14:49, 27 March 2010 (UTC) == [[Beginning Visual Basic]] merged == I've completed the pending merge of the book. The main page and the second link had no usable content, the only history merge that needs to be done is from [[Beginning Visual Basic/Introduction]] to [[Visual Basic/Introduction]]. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 07:09, 27 March 2010 (UTC) :All [[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] '''Done'''. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 12:00, 27 March 2010 (UTC) == De-Adminship == Saw your e-mail and due to your concern decided to [[meta:Steward_requests/Permissions#Withinfocus.40en.wikibooks|de-admin myself]] and make it easy. -[[User:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#000000">'''within'''</span>]][[User talk:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#7A7A7A">'''focus'''</span>]] 13:06, 29 March 2010 (UTC) :Thank you for all your contributions. Hopefully you'll stop by every so often and Muggles' Guide certainly stands as a legacy of your influence here at Wikibooks. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 13:12, 29 March 2010 (UTC) == [[Talk:Muggles' Guide to Harry Potter#Category]] == Saw your note and responded... [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 22:18, 29 March 2010 (UTC) og6f150wcv26ayg3hjyuuiki0uuzpl1 2 223269 4654284 1744952 2026-07-13T08:02:50Z GerbenRienk 339385 /* Gerben Rienk Visser */ 4654284 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Gerben Rienk Visser== Gerben Rienk Visser is an LibreClinica-user since 2009 (when it was still called openclinica.<br> He is delighted with the possibilities of this open-source-project and hopes he can contribute to it.<br> His activities in this field can also be followed on his website trialdatasolutions.com 1j1j8orpz013r2gjr1pxdblqdmvpqfb 3 224491 4654219 2031605 2026-07-12T18:09:23Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654219 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talkarchive}} == Editor1 == You might want to check [[User:Editor2]] as well. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 19:30, 1 April 2010 (UTC) :Thanks. I have taken some additional actions to prevent further trouble. A wider IP block may be necessary. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 19:40, 1 April 2010 (UTC) == [[Subject:Operating_systems]] == I see you reverted some text on this page which I agree was probably not suitable there. However, it looks like it was originally added in good faith so the previous contributor would probably appreciate some explanation. I realize you take on a lot of work, but we don't want to discourage genuine contributors unnecessarily. Best Regards, [[User:Recent Runes|Recent Runes]] ([[User talk:Recent Runes|talk]]) 20:27, 13 April 2010 (UTC) :Indeed. I left a welcome message on the user's talk page with an explanation. I can forget the small stuff when taking a big picture view of things. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 20:30, 13 April 2010 (UTC) == [[Radiation_Oncology]] wikibook == You recently added the ''status|100%'' tag on the main page. It now displays over portion of the title of the wikibook on top, and it doesn't look very professional. Is there a way to move the icon to the center/right of the page? Thanks. [[User:Tdvorak|Tdvorak]] ([[User talk:Tdvorak|talk]]) 22:36, 16 April 2010 (UTC) :You're not getting the updated style sheet code. You need to bypass your browser's cache to see the changes. '''Mozilla / Firefox / Safari''': hold down Shift while clicking Reload, or press Ctrl-Shift-R (Cmd-Shift-R on Apple Mac); '''IE''': hold Ctrl while clicking Refresh, or press Ctrl-F5; '''Konqueror''': simply click the Reload button, or press F5; '''Opera''' users may need to completely clear their cache in Tools→Preferences. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 22:38, 16 April 2010 (UTC) ::Great thanks. It now shows on the right. Incidentally, I am primarily using Google Chrome as my browser; not sure if it was the Shift-reload, but it is fixed. :) [[User:Tdvorak|Tdvorak]] ([[User talk:Tdvorak|talk]]) 22:48, 16 April 2010 (UTC) == [[Special:Contributions/212.117.167.142]] == Clear vandalism in progress. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 03:20, 17 April 2010 (UTC) :Blocked for a week. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 03:28, 17 April 2010 (UTC) == [[WB:FB]] for Muggles' Guide == Since you sysop-protected [[WB:FB]] (something I think is extreme, at least bring it down to just registered users), would you please add the Muggles' Guide [[Media:Muggles' Guide.pdf|PDF link]] to the Featured books subsection? I've added it to our Goodbook template but can't get it on the main page. Thanks. -[[User:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#000000">'''within'''</span>]][[User talk:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#7A7A7A">'''focus'''</span>]] 16:04, 17 April 2010 (UTC) :I've added that link and dropped the protection level down for you. That was a while ago that I protected it and thinking about it today, I wouldn't have done the same thing, as it's not like a template used on many different pages. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 16:08, 17 April 2010 (UTC) ::Thanks! -[[User:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#000000">'''within'''</span>]][[User talk:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#7A7A7A">'''focus'''</span>]] 14:00, 18 April 2010 (UTC) == Status icon template == Adrignola, the {{tl|Status}} template is a great idea. However, to users not familiar with the idea of development stages, the icons that now appear on the main pages of each book can be confusing. For instance, the {{tlx|Status|100%}} icon [[File:100%.svg|30px]] looks a bit like the Windows symbol :) It would be useful to have information about the icon, such as through mouse-over captions. I've created a modified {{tl|Status}} template on my Sandbox page at [[User:Brim/Sandbox/Status]]. This template places a mouse-over caption with the icon and goes to the [[Help:Development stages]] page when the icon is clicked on. Feel free to copy and use this template if you like it. &mdash; [[User:Brim|Brim]] ([[User talk:Brim|talk]]) 22:50, 17 April 2010 (UTC) :Excellent! I have added these changes in. Thanks for your help. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 22:53, 17 April 2010 (UTC) == Noob Admin question == Let me ask a simple question. How does one generated the closed discussion boxes at [[RfD]], do you simply subst {{template|closed}} and {{template|end closed}}? (I ask because the two most recently added cases seem straight forward deletes per policy, so I was going to close them. And in general I should do a bit of this work aswell.) <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thenub314|contribs]]) </span></small> :Actually, I've never substituted them, though it wouldn't be a problem if you did. You can see what I did at [[Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/How to Use Wikibooks for My Students]] and on the RfD page you'll see how I transcluded that subpage on the main one. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 15:41, 18 April 2010 (UTC) == Foundations of Education and Instructional Assessment == Hi! I've been working with the ODU team on these foundations of education texts for a long time, and I notice that you've consolidated these books. Can you tell me what strategy you used to consolidate these texts? I'm concerned because we are still conducting research on these books, so we'd really like a means to see all editions of the book in their original form. Is this possible? Thanks for your help. [[User:PbakerODU|PbakerODU]] ([[User talk:PbakerODU|talk]]) 17:58, 21 April 2010 (UTC) :The process was this: each edition of the texts had several submissions of the same chapter submitted by editors. Then students voted on the best one for that edition. The next edition took that best one and put it up against the new attempts by students for that next edition. The best one by rating would move on to the next edition and so on. The consolidation reflects the versions of the chapters that won out over a series of four different iterations. Additionally, I went through and applied consistent formatting to [[Social and Cultural Foundations of American Education]] (in the headings and especially the question-answer area). I have not had a chance to format the pages of [[Foundations of Education and Instructional Assessment]] at this time, so they do employ different colors and heading styles on each one. The end goal, seen in SCFAE, is a well-formatted book that has the final and best version of each chapter presented to the reader. I had the impression that [[Foundations and Assessment of Education]], which I have not touched, was the current project ODU is working on. Even that book hasn't been edited since July 2009. The two older books linked above seemed like good candidates to clean up since they were no longer being worked on and I proposed this [[Wikibooks:Reading_room/Archives/2010/January#ODU_book_consolidation|in January 2010]] to the Wikibooks community and then followed through two months after that. :The edit histories of the chapters are still there; they have simply been merged. Let's take a look at [[Social and Cultural Foundations of American Education/Philosophy and Ethics/Educational Philosophies]] for an example. If you click the [{{fullurl:Social and Cultural Foundations of American Education/Philosophy and Ethics/Educational Philosophies|action=history}} history] tab, you'll see several revisions with red links. Those red links indicate the original edition and page number of the page that was merged in. On each of those lines there is a date that the revision was made. Clicking that will show you the content of the page merged in. For example, on 14 February 2010, there is a line that says ''moved [[Social and Cultural Foundations of American Education/Chapter 1 Supplemental Materials/Why are they important to education? 2]] to [[Social and Cultural Foundations of American Education/Philosophy and Ethics/Educational Philosophies]]''. The date on that line, to the left of my username, can be clicked. Doing so gives you [{{fullurl:Social_and_Cultural_Foundations_of_American_Education/Philosophy_and_Ethics/Educational_Philosophies|oldid=1719873}} this page] with Gregg Mottinger's version. Back in the history, you can click the date for the revision before that and get [{{fullurl:Social_and_Cultural_Foundations_of_American_Education/Philosophy_and_Ethics/Educational_Philosophies|oldid=1719872}} this page] with Ruth McCarthy's version. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 18:37, 21 April 2010 (UTC) == Hello == Hello Sir, The content of that page was "yo" for a duration of approx 10 seconds. I typically refer to this as a placeholder.--[[User:Bgreeson|Bgreeson]] ([[User talk:Bgreeson|talk]]) 03:27, 23 April 2010 (UTC) :I typically refer to that as a test page with no meaningful content. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 12:38, 23 April 2010 (UTC) ::Did you check the time-stamp on the placeholder? --[[Special:Contributions/71.179.192.124|71.179.192.124]] ([[User talk:71.179.192.124|talk]]) 14:22, 23 April 2010 (UTC) :::It's not about the time, it's the content. Countless pages have been created by users experimenting with the ability to create pages by clicking on a red link they find in a book. A page with no meaningful content, be it a result of a test or vandalism, does meet the criteria for speedy deletion. If something is a placeholder, I would expect to see content detailing such, or an outline; certainly not "yo". Please be aware that the page can be recreated with actual content and the deletion of the page with "yo" does not preclude that. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 15:18, 23 April 2010 (UTC) == Sustainable business == Hi Adrignola, I noticed that you are undoing the redirects (moves) I have been making to Sustainable Business. I think I know why - having all the sub pages out on their own makes them vulnerable to conflicts with other books, not to mention taking up page names.. but can you help me? I was moving them so the parent page name doesn't show up in the print-to-book PDF. Is there a template like "MyTitle" where I can remove the parent page? [[User:Leighblackall|leighblackall]] ([[User talk:Leighblackall|talk]]) 00:15, 25 April 2010 (UTC) :Thanks for the help Adrignola. [[User:Leighblackall|leighblackall]] ([[User talk:Leighblackall|talk]]) 00:28, 25 April 2010 (UTC) == Title Change == [[History of Apple Computer]] may need a title change since a) It doesn't cover only the computers (but also the history of the corporation) b) Apple isn't a single computer (there are various models beyond a specific line they shouldn't be considered the same "computer") c) It may relate to Apple Inc. was formally named Apple Computer, Inc. (the merged work had Apple Inc. in the title).<br> I'm bothering you because you by now have more experience on how book naming is done in relation to the content (and access to the tools).<br> The book also seems to be an orphan from contributors, and I've lost faith on posting on the general discussion area, so if you don't have a better idea, renaming it to Apple Inc. History could be the best option (since having Apple in the beginning would facilitate searches), see what you think... PS: I've also added a <nowiki>TODO</nowiki> box on the [[History of Computers]] since some content is needlessly replicated there, the content could be be simplified there and lengthly covered on the other book with a link to it. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 06:44, 26 April 2010 (UTC) :More advanced tools would only be necessary for moving all subpages at once. That was a single page so it was not hard to do. It's now at [[History of Apple Inc.]] "Apple Inc. History" doesn't sound grammatically correct or roll off the tongue well. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 12:18, 26 April 2010 (UTC) ::Don't the tools change all the references to the page ? You have to still do it manually ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 19:22, 26 April 2010 (UTC) :::Yes indeed. It's only being able to move multiple pages at once that admins have the ability to do over regular users. "What links here" is still a valuable tool for myself. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 21:32, 26 April 2010 (UTC) == Page needs attn == Could you approve the sighted page http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Primary_Mathematics/Powers,_roots,_and_exponents please? Thanks in advance. [[User:Ntropyman|Ntropyman]] ([[User talk:Ntropyman|talk]]) 03:12, 29 April 2010 (UTC) :[[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] '''Done'''. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 03:14, 29 April 2010 (UTC) == Odd completion box placement. == I think this call for participation in Wikimania box changes the placement of the title but not the completion box. See for example [[:File:Odd placement.png]]. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 20:39, 30 April 2010 (UTC) :That's expected; the icon is placed absolutely, outside the normal content area. The notice at the top is placed inside the code for the page and pushes all the page's content down. The icon, however, is plastered over the interface as a hack because we are not developers with access to the PHP code to alter the interface on-demand based on the presence of a template. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] <sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 20:43, 30 April 2010 (UTC) :: That makes sense, good to know. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 20:56, 30 April 2010 (UTC) 0m7e5xrle2gr5ldk8rh74hc0obr0o46 3 229779 4654220 3242489 2026-07-12T18:09:24Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654220 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talkarchive}} == Use of Float == I am not sure whether the change to ''float'' on the templates A101 page was yours or not but I had to change it back again to ''align'' because I need to convey the ability of centering a table; ''float'' is not defined for centering. Thanks, [[User:Armchair|Armchair]] ([[User talk:Armchair|talk]]) 11:56, 9 June 2010 (UTC) :Understandable. I suppose anyone working to use XHTML rather than HTML would use custom code anyway in developing their templates. I've found your note of the ''collapsible'' and ''collapsed'' classes enlightening, as it would simplify a lot of the drop-control templates here. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 12:01, 9 June 2010 (UTC) == Licensing notices in print versions == I see you deleted the requirement to include any license text from [[Help:Print_versions]], commenting ''CC-BY-SA license does not require text of license be included; attribution already provided via automatic link on print versions to page derived from''. But I don't see how this automatic link applies to paper copies of books. Don't you need to explicitly mention something about licensing in the book font page, so this appears on the paper copy? Also, can books previously licensed under GFDL be switched over to CC by SA? [[User:Recent Runes|Recent Runes]] ([[User talk:Recent Runes|talk]]) 19:03, 13 June 2010 (UTC) :They've all been switched over to CC-BY-SA, whether they like it or not. Hence the licensing update to all Wikimedia sites. Some disagreed with that, but the fact is that it's been done. Also, take a look at the PDF rendering of [[Wikibooks:Collections/Muggles' Guide to Harry Potter/Books]]. The very last page of the rendered PDF includes a mention of the CC-BY-SA license and a link to view it. The pages before that list the URLs for the pages that the PDF was made from. Click the "printable version" link on any page and there's a link to the page at the bottom and a mention of the CC-BY-SA license it's licensed under. So every output has a mention of the license and attribution to the source, and that license is now CC-BY-SA. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 19:24, 13 June 2010 (UTC) ::Right, I see it now. Does that mean any citations of GFDL should be deleted and books that now include the GFDL templates should be modified not to use them? [[User:Recent Runes|Recent Runes]] ([[User talk:Recent Runes|talk]]) 21:21, 13 June 2010 (UTC) :::There isn't a huge rush to do so, but books with those templates or with the GFDL on the print version are disingenuous in that they don't mention the new licensing terms. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 22:31, 13 June 2010 (UTC) ::::Perhaps as an interim measure, the templates could be changed to cite CC-BY-SA if that is the current policy. Most authors are probably unaware of the change. I don't recall there being any general announcements myself. [[User:Recent Runes|Recent Runes]] ([[User talk:Recent Runes|talk]]) 22:59, 13 June 2010 (UTC) == language task forces? == What's the point of the language task forces? The only use I can think of is to have a place to discuss issues relevant for multiple books about one language (in order to avoid language-specific discussions on the general language project page). However, I don't think it is a good idea to fragment the discussion this way and spread it over a number of pages; I would rather like to see one central place to discuss all questions that go beyond an individual book (even if the problem is specific to one particular language). --[[User:Martin Kraus|Martin Kraus]] ([[User talk:Martin Kraus|talk]]) 12:43, 14 June 2010 (UTC) :The second sentence of the above is exactly the point of the language task forces. It's merely an extension of the reasoning behind splitting out discussion of language books from the general reading room. One could state that there isn't enough activity to justify them at this point, and that would be reasonable. However, an ulterior motive to them was to allow me to fully test my modifications to the imported {{tl|WPBannerMeta}} for Wikibooks' use and the implementation of that template in {{tl|WikiProject Languages}} and ensure both would work all the way down to the task force level. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 14:54, 14 June 2010 (UTC) :: The general reading room is certainly not the best place for language-related discussions; I was rather thinking of the discussion page of the WikiProject Languages. So, now that you saw that the templates work, can we remove (or comment out) these links to the non-existing task forces? Two more reasons against them are: 1) they add complexity to the network of language-related web pages at wikibooks without adding any content and 2) they might convey the incorrect impression that there are many active contributors to language textbooks. --[[User:Martin Kraus|Martin Kraus]] ([[User talk:Martin Kraus|talk]]) 13:50, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :::If they are not used, the categories and subcategories of [[:Category:French language pages by quality]], [[:Category:French language pages by priority]], [[:Category:German language pages by quality]], [[:Category:German language pages by priority]], [[:Category:Spanish language pages by quality]], [[:Category:Spanish language pages by priority]] will no longer be used. The task forces in [[Template:WikiProject Languages]] would then be ignored. Those options were made available to members of the WikiProject, but if you do not care for them, you can choose not to use the parameter in the template that specifies a task force (or not use the template, period) and comment out the task force pages. But I at least wanted you to know of the possibilities. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 13:59, 15 June 2010 (UTC) ::::Uh, I see what you were talking about now. What about renaming the category "X language task force" to "X language pages" (I think that name would make more sense as it is a supercategory of various specific "X language pages"). The category page of "X language pages" could then link to the languages wikiproject page for now (at least as long as the corresponding task force doesn't exist. Would that be OK with you? --[[User:Martin Kraus|Martin Kraus]] ([[User talk:Martin Kraus|talk]]) 11:01, 16 June 2010 (UTC) :::::A good idea. Now done. Should we ever get enough activity to need them, they will be there (thinking optimistically). &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 12:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC) == Need a BIG BIG Help == Hi, I'm [http://si.wikibooks.org/wiki/බිඟුවා Binguwa] From [http://si.wikibooks.org/ Sinhala wikibooks]. Also I'm working on [http://si.wikipedia.org/wiki/පරිශීලක:බිඟුවා Sinhala wiki] as well. We have [http://si.wikibooks.org/wiki/%E0%B7%80%E0%B7%92%E0%B7%81%E0%B7%9A%E0%B7%82:%E0%B7%83%E0%B6%82%E0%B6%9B%E0%B7%8A%E2%80%8D%E0%B6%BA%E0%B7%8F%E0%B6%B1_%E0%B6%AF%E0%B6%AD%E0%B7%8A%E0%B6%AD several] Sinhala books in sinhala wikibooks. But From the main everything get mixed up. :( Someone has create an HTML table in the main page & Others had updated with books title. Then I was trying to do something to clear the content. First I have added Welcome Note to the main page. That was OK. Then I have added [http://si.wikibooks.org/wiki/Subject:%E0%B6%B4%E0%B6%A7%E0%B7%94%E0%B6%B1 All subjects] Link. That is also work fine. From here onwards my problems Start. Here is the Demo chart for our book list. * [http://si.wikibooks.org/wiki/Subject:%E0%B7%83%E0%B7%92%E0%B6%82%E0%B7%84%E0%B6%BD_%E0%B7%83%E0%B7%8F%E0%B7%84%E0%B7%92%E0%B6%AD%E0%B7%8A%E2%80%8D%E0%B6%BA%E0%B6%BA සිංහල සාහිත්‍යය] should be a major subject(Root Subject) * Next levels should be like this. *[http://si.wikibooks.org/wiki/Subject:%E0%B7%83%E0%B7%92%E0%B6%82%E0%B7%84%E0%B6%BD_%E0%B7%83%E0%B7%8F%E0%B7%84%E0%B7%92%E0%B6%AD%E0%B7%8A%E2%80%8D%E0%B6%BA%E0%B6%BA සිංහල සාහිත්‍යය] = Humanities ::[http://si.wikibooks.org/wiki/Subject:%E0%B7%83%E0%B6%B1%E0%B7%8A%E0%B6%AF%E0%B7%9A%E0%B7%81_%E0%B6%9A%E0%B7%8F%E0%B7%80%E0%B7%8A%E2%80%8D%E0%B6%BA සන්දේශ කාව්‍ය] = Literature ::::[http://si.wikibooks.org/wiki/%E0%B7%83%E0%B7%90%E0%B7%80%E0%B7%94%E0%B6%BD%E0%B7%8A_%E0%B7%83%E0%B6%B1%E0%B7%8A%E0%B6%AF%E0%B7%9A%E0%B7%81%E0%B6%BA සැවුල් සන්දේශය] = Eskaya Literature ::::[http://si.wikibooks.org/wiki/%E0%B6%9C%E0%B7%92%E0%B6%BB%E0%B7%8F_%E0%B7%83%E0%B6%B1%E0%B7%8A%E0%B6%AF%E0%B7%9A%E0%B7%81%E0%B6%BA ගිරා සන්දේශය] = Guide to English Literature ::[http://si.wikibooks.org/wiki/Subject:%E0%B7%80%E0%B7%99%E0%B6%B1%E0%B6%AD%E0%B7%8A_%E0%B6%9A%E0%B7%8F%E0%B7%80%E0%B7%8A%E2%80%8D%E0%B6%BA වෙනත් කාව්‍ය] = Philosophy *[http://si.wikibooks.org/wiki/Subject:Languages Languages] is a major Subject again. OK. If you have seen our pages, they are not working properly. They are not populating properly. I'm sorry to say that I'm the one who has tried for hours to setup this thing. It is OK with Root pages. means that if we add <nowiki>{{Subjects|XXX}}</nowiki> XXX is a major Subject, it works fine. But if we add any other sub categories it wont work. There is something has gone wrong. So please Help to solve this Issue. Also we are not having any admin for sinhala wikibooks. So I don't have any one to ask for a help about wiki books other than you guys(I can't understand any other lng than eng + sinhala ). Please Help us. waiting for your quick & worthy help. pls reply me on [http://si.wikibooks.org/wiki/%E0%B6%B4%E0%B6%BB%E0%B7%92%E0%B7%81%E0%B7%93%E0%B6%BD%E0%B6%9A_%E0%B7%83%E0%B7%8F%E0%B6%9A%E0%B6%A0%E0%B7%8A%E0%B6%A1%E0%B7%8F%E0%B7%80:%E0%B6%B6%E0%B7%92%E0%B6%9F%E0%B7%94%E0%B7%80%E0%B7%8F here] [[User:බිඟුවා|බිඟුවා]] ([[User talk:බිඟුවා|talk]]) 19:41, 14 June 2010 (UTC) :First of all, I would like to thank you for the quick response. :Yes. You are Correct. "Subject(විෂයය)" namespace seems missing. Could you please create that for us (or pls tell me how to create that if that is possible to us, which I don't think so). As you have mentioned english wikibooks have complex category. But in sinhala wiki we have just more than 100 books for the moment. is it OK to have our own root categories not 100% matching en wiki books category? :I can help with sinhala translations as much as possible. it is great if you can help on this issue. we are really interesting to make the look & feel of Sinhala wiki books just like english one. Some more guys are waiting to start on contribution but they are in a mess. :( ::pls reply me on [http://si.wikibooks.org/wiki/%E0%B6%B4%E0%B6%BB%E0%B7%92%E0%B7%81%E0%B7%93%E0%B6%BD%E0%B6%9A_%E0%B7%83%E0%B7%8F%E0%B6%9A%E0%B6%A0%E0%B7%8A%E0%B6%A1%E0%B7%8F%E0%B7%80:%E0%B6%B6%E0%B7%92%E0%B6%9F%E0%B7%94%E0%B7%80%E0%B7%8F here] [[User:බිඟුවා|බිඟුවා]] ([[User talk:බිඟුවා|talk]]) 03:24, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :::OK. Thanks again. I have an account in bugzilla & i'll start a discussion on sinhala wikibooks. Then I'll make a request as you have explained. Then i'll come back to you. (I'm happy with your Quick Response.) [[User:බිඟුවා|බිඟුවා]] ([[User talk:බිඟුවා|talk]]) 04:42, 15 June 2010 (UTC) ::::The Problem was missing the namespace. One of the developer has created that. Now working properly. I'm so happy about that. Now I'm working on groping all books. And I think I have to create user guide(in Sinhala) as well. So it seems OK for the moment. I can carryout the remaining (until next issue occur). I should thanx again.(since you showed the Correct path to fixed the problem.) ::::[[User:බිඟුවා|බිඟුවා]] ([[User talk:බිඟුවා|talk]]) 17:29, 16 June 2010 (UTC) == Changes to MediaWiki:Common.css == Your recent changes there show a much better understanding of the media wiki software then I currently have. But now it seems it should be possible to create a user preference that set <tt>span.flaggedrevs-unreviewed { display: none; }</tt> depending on the what individual users wanted? Maybe this would make the new set up less effective as a way of getting people involved, but it would kind of address [[User:Apfelmus|apfe<b>&lambda;</b>mus]]'s concerns. Do you think such a thing is possible? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thenub314|contribs]]) </span></small> :It would be possible to do that, as gadgets can apply either CSS or JavaScript. But considering that change is to bring things back in line with the way they were, it makes more sense to set it globally than require everyone to go into their preferences and turn on a gadget. It'd be the kind of thing we'd do with the per-book JavaScript gadget if we have consensus to do that in the reading room. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 23:56, 15 June 2010 (UTC) == Re: Using "Whom" == Hi there! I recently took a grammar refresher course at the University of Washington, and the whole "who" and "whom" usage was discussed. The instructor said that American grammar is phasing out "whom", although there will probably always be some style-guide organizations that continue using it; also, it will probably remain standard in business salutations (To Whom It May Concern). I discussed this with Chazz, and he also favors abandoning "whom", and we are no longer using it in the "Muggles' Guide." I hope that clarifies our position. Thank you for your input. [[User:PNW Raven|PNW Raven]] ([[User talk:PNW Raven|talk]]) 16:08, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :To sort of round out Raven's comments: I personally feel that "whom" is harmless, but can cause a bit of a stumble when reading simply because its usage is fading. I won't go to any particular length to remove it from the text, myself, but I do note that the author of the book we are writing about, if she used it at all, used it only when Dumbledore was speaking, in the course of the entire 7 volume opus, three additional short volumes, and one short story that I have personally read. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 00:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC) ::Given that the "Muggles Guide" is based around a set of books written in British English, maybe you should take a refresher course in British English grammar ;-) Just kidding! <span style="color:#E66C2C">[[User:QuiteUnusual|'''QU''']]</span> <sup><span style="color:#306754">[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|TalkQu]]</span></sup> 09:13, 16 June 2010 (UTC) :::There's a note about that on [[Talk:Muggles' Guide to Harry Potter/Books/Deathly Hallows/Chapter 4|one discussion page]] where we briefly considered just that... but none of us are sufficiently British to properly Anglicize the book. Are you volunteering? It's over a thousand pages of Ameribrit now... [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 15:01, 16 June 2010 (UTC) ::::Much as I would love to volunteer, as a committed non-fan of the books I'd struggle to maintain the motivation! <span style="color:#E66C2C">[[User:QuiteUnusual|'''QU''']]</span> <sup><span style="color:#306754">[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|TalkQu]]</span></sup> 20:41, 16 June 2010 (UTC) == Sorry == Yeah, I should have just deleted the page myself. Somehow being the current main contributor on the book and the person who wished the page deleted, it somehow reminded me a bit of [[Wikibooks:Deletion policy#Guidelines for admins|suggestion 1]] at [[WB:DP]]. But that is really meant more for RfD's. I suppose I wanted to add a little separation between my roles as an author and an admin. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 13:15, 21 June 2010 (UTC) == [[User:Alexsmail/Scratch]] == How can we prevent the transclusion to show in the book category ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 21:36, 22 June 2010 (UTC) :I'm sorry, but I don't quite understand your question. Can you elaborate a bit more? &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 21:39, 22 June 2010 (UTC) ::This page on the user namespace is being added to the book's category. Can it be prevented without removing the trasnclusion ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 21:41, 22 June 2010 (UTC) :::Yes, with <nowiki><noinclude></nowiki>. I've added them to the transcluded page. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 21:46, 22 June 2010 (UTC) ::::Thanks. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 21:48, 22 June 2010 (UTC) == I am in deep blank :) == Hi Adrignola. I have a major problem. I have placed a request for renaming here, from an old account to one I wish to use. The problem is, the old account [[User:Tmalmjursson]] was renamed to [[User:Iceflow]] (my first SUL username) but my contribs were not carried over. I now want to be renamed to [[User:BarkingFish]], which is my SUL across all projects since last year, but I'm confused as to what needs doing. I want my contribs and my username adding, and to become BarkingFish, but without remembering, I've added 1 edit from BarkingFish by mistake. What can be done, if anything, to help me please? Thanks [[User:Iceflow|Iceflow]] ([[User talk:Iceflow|talk]]) 21:55, 22 June 2010 (UTC) :I will have to usurp the BarkingFish account and rename Tmalmjursson to BarkingFish. The edit on BarkingFish will be attributed to <tt>BarkingFish (usurped)</tt>. I know of no way to merge accounts. I also need a diff on the BarkingFish Wikipedia user/talk page confirming that Tmalmjursson is owned by the same person. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 22:15, 22 June 2010 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:Edittools]] == [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3AEdittools&action=historysubmit&diff=1852293&oldid=1206688 This edit] seems to have broken the tool in my Firefox browser at least. There's no longer any drop-down menu. —'''[[User:Internoob|Internoob]]''' ([[User talk:Internoob|Disc]]·[[Special:Contributions/Internoob|Cont]]·[[wikt:User:Internoob|Wikt]]) 03:47, 23 June 2010 (UTC) :Never mind, it started working again. Weird. —'''[[User:Internoob|Internoob]]''' ([[User talk:Internoob|Disc]]·[[Special:Contributions/Internoob|Cont]]·[[wikt:User:Internoob|Wikt]]) 03:51, 23 June 2010 (UTC) ::The JavaScript was updated too, so the JavaScript took time to update, as it was cached, while the above page was updated immediately. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 11:53, 23 June 2010 (UTC) == Subst'ing templates == Hi, I am noticed you subst'ed a bunch of vandalism warning templates I had added, I will make sure to do it in the furture. Is there a deeper reason to subst beyond, "if we change the template tomorrow we will change the message"? [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 10:03, 24 June 2010 (UTC) :The best reason beyond the server load (which we really aren't supposed to worry about; it's not our jobs) is that the page should display what the user saw at the time. For templates on other pages or for certain templates (such as shared IP notices) you do want a consistent look and would not substitute the template. [[w:Wikipedia:Substitution|Wikipedia:Substitution]] goes into more detail. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]</sup> 11:50, 24 June 2010 (UTC) == [[Template:Bt]] == How is this part of Wikiproject Languages? --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|talk]]) 23:40, 28 June 2010 (UTC) :By virtue of being in [[:{{BOOKCATEGORY|Esperanto}}/Templates]]. It is a template used by a language book. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 23:51, 28 June 2010 (UTC) == You are a bot?!? == Recently when I checked my watchlist apparently one of your edits were marked as a bot edit. I thought that was just a little mistake, but it happened again today. Are you a bot? :P [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 07:44, 29 June 2010 (UTC) :That would certainly explain my relentless drive and seemingly tireless ability to make menial edits to many pages in order to effect a change or make improvements, but no, I'm not actually a computer program. Administrators can grant themselves the [[Wikibooks:Pseudo-bots|pseudo-bot]] flag to hide edits from recent changes should they be performing many noncontroversial actions at one time. That said, I've recently discovered [[w:Wikipedia:AWB|AutoWikiBrowser]], which did recently allow me to make computer-aided edits that otherwise would've driven me insane and taken days to perform. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 11:49, 29 June 2010 (UTC) ::Maybe I should look at this program. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 12:40, 29 June 2010 (UTC) :::I tried to use it at Wikipedia, but it was so hard for me to use (and it keeps asing me f I want to update, then fail to update) that I gave up. Does it require AWB rights to use the programme in WB? [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 14:20, 29 June 2010 (UTC) ::::No it doesn't, though it might be interesting to know how to make it so. It's definitely not for the faint of heart. If you need to update, just save your settings to a file and download the new executable; it doesn't actually install the program&mdash;it runs standalone. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 14:23, 29 June 2010 (UTC) == You seem to have a new fan == I blocked your latest fan... in a quiet moment you might want to check the IP to see if that needs blocking, etc. ({{userlinks|Adrignola is an evil f u c k}}) <span style="color:#E66C2C">[[User:QuiteUnusual|'''QU''']]</span> <sup><span style="color:#306754">[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|TalkQu]]</span></sup> 21:10, 30 June 2010 (UTC) :Interesting. I should note that the source IP address has also been blocked globally due to cross-wiki abuse. I extended the block here, just due to the personal attack nature of the issue. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 21:20, 30 June 2010 (UTC) ok0vkfujk5hrnvxtvmx2o53508re8al 3 234514 4654221 2031607 2026-07-12T18:09:25Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654221 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talkarchive}} == Non free templates == I think we don't really need to have a bunch of non free templates. Our requirements are pretty straightforward regardless of what it is being used the criteria is the same. You can see what I did with {{tlx|non-free screenshot|an art piece}} to get an idea of how we could reduce them as well: {{non-free screenshot|an art piece|example=yes}} --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 13:49, 1 July 2010 (UTC) :The templates I'm importing provide additional information beyond the template above and can be conveniently selected when uploading via [[MediaWiki:Licenses]], without the uploader then having to fill in a parameter. Additionally, the separate templates allow for detailed classification of material, rather than lumping it all into a single category. Consider that if we manage to export all the free content to Commons, the ''only'' content we'll have will be non-free and categorizing it decently as soon as possible will save time later. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 13:54, 1 July 2010 (UTC) ::# The license option can fill in the parameter, so the uploader doesn't have to. ::# The category used can depend on the filled in parameter. ::--<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 13:58, 1 July 2010 (UTC) :::That would break terribly if people tried to apply templates by hand and didn't match up the parameter with exactly what's desired. If you want to use a switch for input, then the template becomes even more convoluted. We already had non-free logo, Microsoft screenshot, and Adobe screenshot, so I'm only expanding on what we have. And templates like [[Template:Non-free symbol]] have a custom image and information pertinent to the situation, like "article 6ter" of the Paris Convention. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 14:12, 1 July 2010 (UTC) :::: I've thought for awhile that some merges would make since, but with so many templates being used it seem implausible until it was decided to move all free content to Wikimedia Commons. :::: I think the types of non-free use work can be classified as photograph/visual, audio/sound recording, trademark, screenshot, and maybe government. Although trademark and government could both potentially be subtypes with "{{para|trademark|yes}}" and "{{para|government|yes}}" used. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 17:31, 1 July 2010 (UTC) == [[User:Quasicrystal]] == Am I reading these edit histories correctly, did this user ask take down his whole book be taken down over frustration about {{tlx|BookCat}}'s? [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 11:52, 1 July 2010 (UTC) :I still wish new pages would have {{tl|BookCat}} added to them by default, but I had added it to the edit toolbar, so that's the next best thing. But they somehow had an edit conflict editing a page and couldn't figure out how to go back and copy-paste their content into the changed page. Before requesting the book to be blown away, they had already moved the book from its original name and orphaned about 90% of the content they had produced with changes to the table of contents. A bit out of proportion, but nobody else contributed to the pages, so they do qualify for speedy deletion. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 11:58, 1 July 2010 (UTC) ::Yeah they certainly did fall under speedy, you did the right thing, I am just a bit surprised. It seemed the book was only just started. Somehow I was hoping I missed spotting something more annoying then edit conflicts at the root of it, but it doesn't seem so. Not only would hitting back have worked but there is also the second second edit box? Oh well, what can be done, it is just a shame. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 12:15, 1 July 2010 (UTC) :::([[w:WP:TPS]]) Is it in the enhanced toolbar? If it isn't, can you add it there as well? Thanks [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 12:20, 1 July 2010 (UTC) ::::Are you trying to say something about my behavior on talk pages? Am I a WikiJaguar? Or did you point to the wrong shortcut? &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 12:28, 1 July 2010 (UTC) :::::You're not; ''I'' am. :) So, can you add it on the enhanced toolbar? [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 13:06, 1 July 2010 (UTC) ::::::What exactly do you want added? Are you wanting the userbox? The toolbar above the edit box I'm not sure I can edit. The shortcuts for special characters below the edit box, I can. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 13:21, 1 July 2010 (UTC) :::::::Oh, that one. I must have misunderstood... Thanks but which kind of symbol is it? [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 13:37, 1 July 2010 (UTC) ::::::::You're the one who wanted something added... I'm thoroughly confused. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 13:40, 1 July 2010 (UTC) :::::::::Just now you said you added the BookCat to the toolbar. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 14:04, 1 July 2010 (UTC) ::::::::::It just looks like {{tl|BookCat}}; to the left of <nowiki>[[Category:]]</nowiki>. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 14:06, 1 July 2010 (UTC) :Actually, Thenub, seeing the non-blanked talk page of the user, I see that there '''was''' frustration over {{tl|BookCat}} and that an edit of mine caused the edit conflict. I'm not going to apologize for adding {{tl|BookCat}}s, however. Especially when someone decides to start blanking my talk page. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 14:36, 1 July 2010 (UTC) :: No, there is clearly no need to apologize. I was surprised by the extreme reaction over such a small thing. I only noticed because I went to find author of one of the new calc books that was started to invite him to join the math project, when I couldn't find it I realized it was they same person who blanked your page and started looking at edit histories. Well if he ever cools down and happens upon this conversation I would suggest the [[WB:RFU]]'s his book and carries on with the productive edits. But if he can't remember to assume good faith and discuss his frustrations more constructively he probably should find another outlet. He didn't even make clear why he was upset to anyone. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 13:08, 2 July 2010 (UTC) ::: It's not that I "couldn't figure out how to go back and copy-paste", it's that my back history didn't contain the text. I 'blanked' your talk page because you reverted my earlier comment from it anyway, so I don't see it as a big deal if you're just going to revert it anyway. "He didn't even make clear why he was upset to anyone" Yes I did, it's on my talk page which has been deleted anonymously for some strange reason. [[User:Quasicrystal|Quasicrystal]] ([[User talk:Quasicrystal|talk]]) 02:19, 3 July 2010 (UTC) ::::Here's the full text of your comment: "God dammit I just lost my edit because of a merge conflict". Quite frankly your comment appeared to be vandalism, and I didn't revert. I performed an undo and left a comment in the edit summary. That's more than I could have done given the content. Treat me with respect and you'll get the same in return. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 02:22, 3 July 2010 (UTC) :::::When have I not treated you with respect? "That's more than I could have done given the content" I don't give a fuck if you want to threaten to ban me, I'm not asking anything from you. Also I have no idea what the difference between a revert and an undo is. [[User:Quasicrystal|Quasicrystal]] ([[User talk:Quasicrystal|talk]]) 02:25, 3 July 2010 (UTC) ::::::Assuming good faith and discussing things constructively as Thenub mentions above would be a good start. Remarks on my talk page out of nowhere that I'm left to take as someone yelling at me over something I have no control over are what I consider disrespectful. Frankly, if you're not asking anything of me and won't refrain from trying to escalate the situation, stop posting to my talk page. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 02:31, 3 July 2010 (UTC) ::::::: "stop posting to my talk page" okay I copied this whole discussion over to my talk page [[User:Quasicrystal|Quasicrystal]] ([[User talk:Quasicrystal|talk]]) 02:34, 3 July 2010 (UTC) == Keep it simple == Can you please restate the move information on the proposal and use only [[Wikibooks:FlaggedRevs Extension/Unstable]] as the location, there is no need to confuse things up in indicating {{bad link|Wikibooks:Revision review}} (I don't object to the move, but at this point it is not beneficial for mutual understanding). --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 18:30, 3 July 2010 (UTC) :The reading room discussion and listing of support positions is the location for linking to when filing a bugzilla request. [[Wikibooks:FlaggedRevs Extension/Unstable]] is for your benefit and others who have not been following the conversation in the reading room and for whom the summary in the reading room is not sufficient. {{bad link|Wikibooks:Revision review}} is a complement to [[Help:Revision review]] to document what flagged revisions means to us, not how to use it, and not how it is configured. The reading room discussion is low-level and temporary with [[Wikibooks:FlaggedRevs Extension/Unstable]] low-level and a record of the result. {{bad link|Wikibooks:Revision review}} and [[Help:Revision review]] are high-level documentation and not concerned with what's going on in the reading room. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 18:35, 3 July 2010 (UTC) == Proposal == If you have the time can you help me write a clear text of what is proposed (similar to what is stated on the side bar) and with the [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:Reading_room/General&oldid=1868918#Reconfigure_Wikibooks configuration that is at the moment the accepted one]. By the comments some people (me included) just aren't aware of the status of all the items of the proposal at this time. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 13:37, 2 July 2010 (UTC) :I suppose so. I assume [[Wikibooks:FlaggedRevs Extension]] would be the destination? I'll be able to get to it a bit later today. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 13:42, 2 July 2010 (UTC) ::I started it here [[Wikibooks:FlaggedRevs Extension/Unstable]]. I'm rereading all the discussion making small changes to the original text based on the discussion and tagging things for clarification since my interpretation and others may not be exact or even understood. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 14:29, 2 July 2010 (UTC) ::There are something that are discussed but not stated on the sidebar I expect and we will now clearly see that people are aware that their support is on what is stated on the sidebar. Examples: the "merge" o editor- reviewer, other extensions... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 14:37, 2 July 2010 (UTC) ::Where can I see '''Reader Feedback Extension''' in action is any project using it? (not listed on the extension page) ::Can you link or add any more information on what is the pseudo-bot ? (in the Rights Management) ::Can you provide non technical examples for the Edit Filter Extension? (filters that we will be expecting to be implemented and the reason to adopt the extension) ::Thanks. ::PS: If the proposal passes as is, we will be getting people requesting admin flag only to participate on the quality classification. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 21:40, 2 July 2010 (UTC) :::Both Wikinews and http://en.labs.wikimedia.org/ use the Reader Feedback extension. Additional information on all the user groups is linked from the group names at [[Special:ListGrouprights]]. You're going to want to look at [[Wikibooks:Pseudo-bots]]. For examples of filters we might implement, see [[w:Special:AbuseFilter]]. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 22:04, 2 July 2010 (UTC) ::::Thanks. I've added some to the text. One question does "Bureaucrats can add people to the Pseudo-bot group." need to be included in the proposal, isn't this an already established practice ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 23:06, 2 July 2010 (UTC) :::::Yes, it does need to be included. Currently bureaucrats can only remove admins from the pseudo-bot group, if they forget to take it off as part of their use of it. For addition of the flag, that can only be done by admins, and only to themselves. I can vouch for this as a bureaucrat... &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 23:10, 2 July 2010 (UTC) :::::: Can you rewrite it as Reviewers (not all people)? I think that it keeps the intention you had when you added it to the sidebar or not ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 23:17, 2 July 2010 (UTC) :::::::I've revised the wording on the page linked above to be more accurate on this. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 23:23, 2 July 2010 (UTC) ::::::::Made a small addition, see if it conforms. ::::::::Regarding the filters, no rule is established for the adoption process (this wasn't covered on the base proposal so it shouldn't be changed but needs to be addressed on the discussion for correction). Don't you think? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 23:30, 2 July 2010 (UTC) {{outdent|::::::::}}What do you mean by "adoption process"? &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 23:37, 2 July 2010 (UTC) :The extension and the filters are two separated items or they not? Don't the filters need some type of proposal/discussion/adoption process ? Or can we literally take that "edit filters and actions can be adjusted by administrators" without intervention from the rest of the community ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 23:41, 2 July 2010 (UTC) ::The last sentence is correct. If an edit filter is intrusive to the community or in any way controversial, it's not created correctly. The only ones who should even ''notice'' it's been installed are the vandals. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 23:48, 2 July 2010 (UTC) :::Made that clear, see if you agree or can reword it better. I will remove my objection to the adoption of the policy in a few moments. I'm going neutral just because I'm not comfortable with two aspects, granting admins the exclusive right to decide what constitutes feature material and the freedom granted to them regarding filters (it has also other implications since automation will put stress on other practices like user blocks for instance). --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 23:58, 2 July 2010 (UTC) ::::Darklama didn't like that top level being limited either; if it might get your support maybe we should open it up and have it just be called "excellent". But then I don't see what the difference would be between "good" and "excellent" in practice, other than some metadata nobody sees. With the top level locked you can have something similar to semi-protection with edits being allowed but screened by administrators due to changes to the page's stability settings. That's where I'm coming from, but I suppose the scheme could be seen as elitist. I'd like clarification on the filters, as I don't see what's objectionable. Although, if you're looking for something to object to, you'd want to demand that the ability to create filters that automatically block be taken away. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 00:05, 3 July 2010 (UTC) :::::My issue is with the personal decision that would be behind that classification. I would support it if the use of that upper qualification was based on an open decision process. As for the filter I will mention that limitation but I fear that without proper scrutinizing the changes, there will be errors made able to have serious impact on the project, it also depends on how quickly we notice them and how we chose to resolve them. :::::Thanks for the help in making the proposed changes more understandable to all... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 00:16, 3 July 2010 (UTC) *reset I did a kick check, just to prevent putting my foot in my mouth and see if my assumption was correct, that all current Editor have undeniably advanced the project, and noticed [[User:BarkingFish]] why does this user belong on that group ([[Special:Contributions/BarkingFish]]) was it because of the account merge/rename. User [[User:Tmalmjursson]] is redirected there but has no contributions page. Why ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 02:39, 4 July 2010 (UTC) :I'm not sure what you're asking. User:Tmalmjursson was renamed User:BarkingFish and so the contributions associated with Tmalmjursson are now shown to be BarkingFish's. Thus User:Tmalmjursson no longer exists and has no contributions. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 03:44, 4 July 2010 (UTC) ::How-come is he an editor ? (Deleted pages ?) --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 03:51, 4 July 2010 (UTC) :::He requested it. If you'd propose that in the future the inclusion of rollback with that group's rights would make it a more weighty decision as to add someone when requested, well, you'd be correct. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 03:55, 4 July 2010 (UTC) ::::Is it possible that I'm missing something? In his edit logs there is no mention of the request and I just checked the archives of the [[Wikibooks:Requests for permissions]] (and didn't noticed it). Since the rollback process will be automated there is no real purpose on making that point unless someone requests the tools before the automation kicks int (but that is the normal practice, since the bar is being also set a bit lower for the automation I doubt that without a proper reason people will be inclined to grant it, in recent requests support has decreased). --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 04:03, 4 July 2010 (UTC) ::::Ok I noticed it now on the user talk page. I really don't think the attribution of the flag was warranted and if similar promotions occurred (I didn't detect them on the editors) problems my arise. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 04:10, 4 July 2010 (UTC) :::'''Respectfully''' I request that if you mention me somewhere, or decide to discuss me, Panic2k4, at least do me the courtesy of telling me, like you did with the RFP Access removal. I'd appreciate being kept in the loop. Thanks! Sorry to interrupt, Adrignola :) [[User:BarkingFish|BarkingFish]] ([[User talk:BarkingFish|talk]]) 09:10, 4 July 2010 (UTC) == Find Current namespace == Hi again, * I want to know a way to find currently available namespaces '''Aliases names''' for a specific project. ::[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Namespace Wikipedia:Namespace] * I want to know how i can change '''Wikibooks:''' namespace to '''විකිපොත්:''', ::bugzilla? or [http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?language=si&module=namespace&title=Special:AdvancedTranslate betawiki] or something else pls reply in [http://si.wikibooks.org/wiki/%E0%B6%B4%E0%B6%BB%E0%B7%92%E0%B7%81%E0%B7%93%E0%B6%BD%E0%B6%9A_%E0%B7%83%E0%B7%8F%E0%B6%9A%E0%B6%A0%E0%B7%8A%E0%B6%A1%E0%B7%8F%E0%B7%80:%E0%B6%B6%E0%B7%92%E0%B6%9F%E0%B7%94%E0%B7%80%E0%B7%8F here] <br /> pls help [[User:බිඟුවා|බිඟුවා]] ([[User talk:බිඟුවා|talk]]) 15:50, 3 July 2010 (UTC) ::Should I move Wikibooks: links to විකිපොත්: or just keep them as it is? [[User:බිඟුවා|බිඟුවා]] ([[User talk:බිඟුවා|talk]]) 13:45, 4 July 2010 (UTC) :::I got it.(that is fast.) Thanks. [[User:බිඟුවා|බිඟුවා]] ([[User talk:බිඟුවා|talk]]) 14:50, 4 July 2010 (UTC) == [[User:BarkingFish]] == I've asked a question of you at [[WB:RFP#Removal of access]]. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 06:10, 4 July 2010 (UTC) == Thanks == For signing my posts. I don't know why a bad nights sleep suddenly makes me forget the ~ key exists. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 12:31, 8 July 2010 (UTC) :It's too bad it's difficult to get operators to run their bots cross-wiki. Then we could have [[w:User:Sinebot|Sinebot]] take care of it for you. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 12:38, 8 July 2010 (UTC) == Upload files page == Hi Adrignola, I have an issue with uploading files in wikibooks. I have noticed that en wikibooks it redirects to [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Upload Commons] page. But in Sinhala wikiboooks it will remain in [http://si.wikibooks.org/wiki/%E0%B7%80%E0%B7%92%E0%B7%81%E0%B7%9A%E0%B7%82:%E0%B6%8B%E0%B6%A9%E0%B7%94%E0%B6%9C%E0%B6%AD_%E0%B6%9A%E0%B7%92%E0%B6%BB%E0%B7%93%E0%B6%B8 Sinhala project]. # Why it has redirects this to commons in En wikibooks (But it has own project page in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Upload en wikipedia] )? # Should we change the link in Sinhala wikibooks? if so then How? Then I have another issue in upload page. But I would like to find some answers for these 2 questions first. Then I'll shoot them. pls reply in [http://si.wikibooks.org/wiki/%E0%B6%B4%E0%B6%BB%E0%B7%92%E0%B7%81%E0%B7%93%E0%B6%BD%E0%B6%9A_%E0%B7%83%E0%B7%8F%E0%B6%9A%E0%B6%A0%E0%B7%8A%E0%B6%A1%E0%B7%8F%E0%B7%80:%E0%B6%B6%E0%B7%92%E0%B6%9F%E0%B7%94%E0%B7%80%E0%B7%8F local talk page]. Thank you! :[[User:බිඟුවා|බිඟුවා]] ([[User talk:බිඟුවා|talk]]) 11:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC) ::Ahaa... I have gone through [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:Reading_room/General&oldid=1638584#Restriction_of_image_uploads your discussion]. So it seems you have special users to upload images to en wikibooks. others should upload to commons. Yep, that seems a good idea. I'll start a discussion on local. May be this is the modification I should request in [https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/ bugzilla]. $wgUploadNavigationUrl = 'http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload'; :[[User:බිඟුවා|බිඟුවා]] ([[User talk:බිඟුවා|talk]]) 13:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC) == Configuring Wikijunior pages == What's the fastest way to reconfigure all the pages on Wikijunior to display the most recent sighted version, once the overall flaggedrevs configuration changes? --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 16:10, 7 July 2010 (UTC) :My initial plan is to go through [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=&to=&namespace=110 Special:AllPages for the Wikijunior namespace]. Given that you recently got adminship and probably haven't had to do it before, I'll just point out that the settings are available by clicking the protect tab, then the "page stability settings can be configured" link. That links to Special:Stabilization with the page specified as a target. I don't know if there's any way faster than that. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 16:17, 7 July 2010 (UTC) ::I will be glad add some of my editing time to help with the cause. Can we start now or do we have to wait until the changes are rolled out? (Excuse me for butting in). [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 16:29, 7 July 2010 (UTC) :::My talk page is open to all and because it is, the level of activity it sees is what justifies my archival settings. We could set "Stable version selection precedence" to "Latest pristine version; then latest quality one; then latest sighted one", and "Revision displayed on default page view" to "The stable version; if not present, then the latest revision". No need to wait. [[Special:ConfiguredPages]] can be used to track progress. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 16:40, 7 July 2010 (UTC) ::::Leaving the setting "Revision displayed on default page view" on "Latest checked version" means there are no changes from (the current) default and the settings won't save. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 16:47, 7 July 2010 (UTC) :::::I was just observing that (by experiment). I take it that as long as there are any non-default settings for a page, none of its settings will change when the bugzilla request goes through. So for now we're simply changing the selection-precedence, which will prevent the revision-displayed from changing then. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 17:07, 7 July 2010 (UTC) {{outdent|:::::}} I just had some time today to help with this and I was wondering what the status was? Is it still ongoing? [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 11:07, 12 July 2010 (UTC) :I don't believe there's anything left. Sorry about spoiling all the fun. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 12:16, 12 July 2010 (UTC) ::I don't suppose this is fun, but I'm still wondering how to check that we reconfigured all non-fully-protected templates that are used on Wikijunior. After we'd gone through Wikijunior space itself, I used Special:PrefixIndex to find templates starting with "Wikijunior", and we'd missed some of them. Just now, I used it to find all templates starting with "WJ", and we'd missed some of them. It's possible that we're not missing any others, but I wouldn't care to bet on it. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 14:36, 12 July 2010 (UTC) == Help! == I tried to place Gold, Silver and Bronze between the articles about the regular colors and the Colored article (because that page is some sort of summary and normally those are placed at the end), but I failed to do it. Could you do it? [[User:Ischa1|Ischa1]] ([[User talk:Ischa1|talk]]) 15:20, 12 July 2010 (UTC) :I've corrected the layout, using the same type of display that was used for the existing colors. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 15:48, 12 July 2010 (UTC) == wikisource or wikibooks == Hi Adrignola, I need a help again(I always have Q for you). This question is related content of the article. This is what I have understood. <br /> Wikibooks is not for original books. (like [http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ramayana Ramayana].) Wikisource is the place for that. [http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:What_is_Wikisource%3F#Wikisource_and_other_Wikimedia_projects Wikisource and other Wikimedia projects] :* Is that correct? If that is Correct, we have lots of original books have uploaded into sinhala Wikibooks ( [http://si.wikibooks.org/wiki/විෂයය:සන්දේශ_කාව්‍ය සන්දේශ කාව්‍ය]) I think, that happened just because no one to guide or to help for new comers. And we don't have our own Wikisource project (Sinhala). So new comers may upload original books into Wikibooks. However that has happened. Now it is the time to solve this problem. My Questions: # Is that my idea is correct? # How can we start our own Wikisource project? (I have gone through [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee/Handbook_(requesters) Handbook]. is that OK to create a new request without any reference or something else?) # Can I upload Sinhala content into en.Wikisource ? pls reply in [http://si.wikibooks.org/wiki/%E0%B6%B4%E0%B6%BB%E0%B7%92%E0%B7%81%E0%B7%93%E0%B6%BD%E0%B6%9A_%E0%B7%83%E0%B7%8F%E0%B6%9A%E0%B6%A0%E0%B7%8A%E0%B6%A1%E0%B7%8F%E0%B7%80:%E0%B6%B6%E0%B7%92%E0%B6%9F%E0%B7%94%E0%B7%80%E0%B7%8F local talk page]. <br /> Thank you! [[User:බිඟුවා|බිඟුවා]] ([[User talk:බිඟුවා|talk]]) 09:17, 12 July 2010 (UTC) ::Here is some Interesting thing to tell you about our language & nation. We have a great history you might know about Load Buddha & Buddhism. Also there are lots of books (they are really not books) written in palm leaves, related to Buddhism & our nation. Those books can be found in most of the temple. Those books contain the real History. But they have never ever published as a book. So now we want to upload these contents to wiki projects. this is the real issue we had. pls guide us. Since they are written by some one it is not match with Wikibooks project. Could you please tell me which is the better place/project for this? ::pls reply in [http://si.wikibooks.org/wiki/%E0%B6%B4%E0%B6%BB%E0%B7%92%E0%B7%81%E0%B7%93%E0%B6%BD%E0%B6%9A_%E0%B7%83%E0%B7%8F%E0%B6%9A%E0%B6%A0%E0%B7%8A%E0%B6%A1%E0%B7%8F%E0%B7%80:%E0%B6%B6%E0%B7%92%E0%B6%9F%E0%B7%94%E0%B7%80%E0%B7%8F local talk page]. [[User:බිඟුවා|බිඟුවා]] ([[User talk:බිඟුවා|talk]]) 06:04, 13 July 2010 (UTC) :::Thank you again. And it seems those kind of things should move with Wikisource since they are really old. I'll continue with Billinghurst for new Wikisource project for sinhala. But I'll catch you if i got any trouble. (you have higher rank in my wiki help list always.) [[User:බිඟුවා|බිඟුවා]] ([[User talk:බිඟුවා|talk]]) 13:15, 13 July 2010 (UTC) == No worries == In reply to the comment at my talk page I wanted to let you know I am in ''no way'' upset/annoyed/etc. with you. Who could fault you for being efficient? I only pointed out that it merging stopped short any discussion so we could in the future maybe we could avoid it. This is why I held off on merging [[Happiness]] with [[Positive Psychology]] when the idea occurred to me. I figured if someone wanted to delete it, they might not be pleased with a merge. And as it turned out Kayau's did not agree this was acceptable. (By the same token I never pointed out to Panic at his talk page that he never replied to my request for comment on that RfD. Since I would see this as a type of vote gathering that I objected to in the reconfiguration discussion.) But I just need to stop speaking to people for a while, every discussion I have been involved in lately has been a complete mess. Even deleting a page that contained at most two sentences on a book where I felt I was the only very active contributor was a mess. My attempts to start a discussion on the role of external references, both at [[Wikibooks talk:Original research]] and in the reading room have (as predicted) not really lead to any fruitful discussion. Just another point to see where my opinion differs significantly from the community's. Thanks for all the good advice, I am sorry if I have been bringing in a dark cloud over the conversations I take part in. I'll try to knock it off. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 09:18, 13 July 2010 (UTC) :Well, that would explain your resolution to stop taking part in reading room conversations. I have to say that I think that's unfortunate. Your opinion is valued. I don't want Xania's comments about people's opinions being suppressed to become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Far better for you to comment on something and disagree with me or anyone else than to not speak up at all. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 12:31, 13 July 2010 (UTC) :: Well if I have something important to say I don't think I could really stop myself. But I think what I once perceive as discussing is really not how I come across. By providing what I see as the best reasoned defense of my position, and attempts to debate rebuttals, etc. I only manage to come across as harsh and as Panic says I "imposing [my] view point on others". I think it is more this superfluous type of discussion I will try to avoid, just for a little while anyways. FWIW I also disagree with Xania on this point, and as I said, if there is something I see as important, I will make myself heard. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 09:53, 14 July 2010 (UTC) == Userbox == Hey, the userbox template is a high impact page, you can't just delete stuff like that. [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 14:27, 14 July 2010 (UTC) :Not sure what you mean. I've merged the history in and updated the documentation. That provides attribution to the original authors at Wikipedia and documents all the parameters in the template and shows all the possibilities through examples. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 14:30, 14 July 2010 (UTC) ::Just recently I had transparently added a notes section, and this is now missing. Sorry, I thought you knew what I meant. Also, are you sure total protection isn't too strong? [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 14:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC) :::Thanks, [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 14:34, 14 July 2010 (UTC) :::I just saw that. I've added it back in. Sorry about that. It seems likely to be a target for vandalism. With it used on hundreds of userpages, I can't think of an easier way to vandalize people's personal pages in one fell swoop. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 14:36, 14 July 2010 (UTC) ::::What about semiprotection? [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 14:57, 14 July 2010 (UTC) :::::Sure. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 15:00, 14 July 2010 (UTC) == Did you disagree ? == A transwiki in general terms is not a move, but a copy. In the specific context of a RfD it doesn't guarantee acceptance at the destination, and in fact the content of RfDs closed as delete and transwiki hasn't the same value. To what you disagree on this facts ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 18:18, 14 July 2010 (UTC) My point being that it is of benefit to the project to have valid but unuseful content (that can even be a temporal situation) rightly classified as we close discussions as transwiki and to explain to participants the difference. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 18:23, 14 July 2010 (UTC) :Whether I agree or disagree wasn't really the issue. [[Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Using Template:Icon|That box]] is for explaining the usage of a template on the page and not for anything of a larger scope than that. If you wish to clarify what each of those positions means, I would suggest that the text area under the "requests for deletion" heading would be the place to do that. Keeping things simple in the box also restricts them each to one line. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 18:27, 14 July 2010 (UTC) ::So I was making clear that it was not a move (no assurance of sucess and that the content would be safe) and the distinction between a delete and a transwiki in relation to the value of the content, why the reversal ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 18:30, 14 July 2010 (UTC) ::: Your wording altered the context of the box from one of objectivity to one where conventions are defined, and did so on a transcluded subpage that will not be watched by others but yet will set the tone for anyone reading it on the page transcluding it. The box is a demonstration of ''syntax'' with only the briefest mention of what ''situation'' the syntax applies to. If you desire to more fully flesh out each of those ''situations'', the small compact box is not the place for that. The text under the heading could be expanded or [[Wikibooks:Deletion policy]] could be fleshed out. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 18:42, 14 July 2010 (UTC) :::: I don't agree, but will move it for [[Wikibooks:Reading room/Proposals#Proposal to change the icon and definition of "tranwiki" at the RfDs|a proposal]] to change the icon name, and for the clarification of the position taken on the RfD. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 18:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC) == Help - Upload file message issue == Hi, This is an issue related upload files in Sinhala Wikibooks. (I always here with problems. sorry for that). Here is the problem. See the different between these 2 links. * [http://si.wikibooks.org/wiki/%E0%B7%80%E0%B7%92%E0%B7%81%E0%B7%9A%E0%B7%82:%E0%B6%8B%E0%B6%A9%E0%B7%94%E0%B6%9C%E0%B6%AD_%E0%B6%9A%E0%B7%92%E0%B6%BB%E0%B7%93%E0%B6%B8 Upload file in Sinhala] * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Upload -->my own work Have you noticed that '''Licensing:''' Drop down box. In english it has several values (Creative Commons Attribution 3.0, Public domain...). But in Sinhala only have '''one Selected''' state. Do you have any idea about this? Where to report this Error? pls reply in [http://si.wikibooks.org/wiki/%E0%B6%B4%E0%B6%BB%E0%B7%92%E0%B7%81%E0%B7%93%E0%B6%BD%E0%B6%9A_%E0%B7%83%E0%B7%8F%E0%B6%9A%E0%B6%A0%E0%B7%8A%E0%B6%A1%E0%B7%8F%E0%B7%80:%E0%B6%B6%E0%B7%92%E0%B6%9F%E0%B7%94%E0%B7%80%E0%B7%8F local talk page]. --[[User:බිඟුවා|බිඟුවා]] ([[User talk:බිඟුවා|talk]]) 07:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC) :It is a clean cut you have given. But Only problem is that we don't have any admins. However I know what to do. Thanks for the help. [[User:බිඟුවා|බිඟුවා]] ([[User talk:බිඟුවා|talk]]) 13:18, 15 July 2010 (UTC) == Bug in" What Links here"? == I was looking at the list of orphans you pointed out to me I at [[Talk:Drugs:Fact and Fiction]] and I am rather puzzled. For example if you look at [[Drugs:Fact and Fiction/Stimulants]] then you see right away links to "Kratom", "Khat", "Caffine", all of which show as the only thing that links to them is the [[Talk:Drugs:Fact and Fiction]]. Is this a bug or is there some point I am missing? [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 14:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC) :A bug in the same way that if you move a book and all its subpages, they will not be categorized into the new book name's category using BookCat until you null edit each of the pages in turn. Null editing the Stimulants page corrected the listing of what linked to those pages. I updated the list of orphans to reflect your finding. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 15:03, 15 July 2010 (UTC) ::Good to know, a few of the other pages are also linked, but I will sort it out. Thanks! [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 15:14, 15 July 2010 (UTC) == [[bugzilla:24304|Bug 24304]] == Shall we put [[bugzilla:24304|Bug 24304]] up to highest priority? [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 17:10, 14 July 2010 (UTC) :No, the most we can do is vote for it. Highest priority is for something that breaks the software. Our request type is always filed under Wikimedia and given priority "enhancement", which is not a high priority. While it could be months before they get to it, such is life and we must have patience. Rob Halsell is often the one assigned these types of bugs, but I don't want to step on anyone's shoes and assign it to him myself. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 17:15, 14 July 2010 (UTC) ::There are 2 fields, one says Normal, the other says Enhancement. Why don't we change normal to highest? [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 17:22, 14 July 2010 (UTC) :::Okay, feel free. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 17:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC) ::::Well, it is assigned, I don't know if it helped or not, nor if that means we will get it in the next week or two. How long does it usually take After it is assigned? [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 13:48, 16 July 2010 (UTC) :::::It can depend entirely on the developer's workload. It's better now that it's in someone's queue instead of in limbo, but we won't have any idea how soon it will be done. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 13:55, 16 July 2010 (UTC) == About the images rationales == I notice that [[User:Orderud|Orderud]] has only a warning about 1 file, there seems to be 4 images from him on the category. I never wrote a rational for an image, can any one one provide it for other people's images?<br> Do you remember work that uses this type of images (proprietary software) so I can see how the rational is applied ? Thanks. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 23:39, 15 July 2010 (UTC) :I only placed one notice, but that notice links to the user's uploads as well as the category with images missing rationales, so it works for them all. You certainly can justify anyone's uploads. You can see the syntax at [[Wikibooks:Templates/Files]] and an example at [[:File:Fx-tutorial-06.png]]. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 23:53, 15 July 2010 (UTC) ::Since anyone can justify a picture use, do you have any idea on the amount (few, some or lots) of images, that were in use, have been deleted by this requirement?<br> ::I'll take a look. But if it falls within what I'm expecting the requirement doesn't seem to serve any real purpose, only on a very extremely complex use that I can't envision on the Wikibooks would there be a problem of anyone providing one. I did participate on the WB:MEDIA discussion but don't remember the issues behind this point. ::I also take this chance retract my position and admit that a post of yours at WB::RR/AA jolted my memory about I having expressed opposition against the creation of Wikibooks:CVU badge. I've attempted to find it but couldn't, it should have been in the archives of the old discussion area. IIRC it was about it artificially creating a stratification of the community since the functions performed by members of that "cast" are expected to be done by all Wikibookians as per policy enforcement and guideline fallowed, something on these lines. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 00:22, 16 July 2010 (UTC) :::It's not an insignificant amount of images that have been deleted. If you'd like to start discussion at [[WB:MEDIA]] on allowing for liability via hosting copyrighted images with no rationale for [[w:fair use|fair use]], that's your prerogative. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 00:25, 16 July 2010 (UTC) ::::I can only do a few things at a time :), but I'll put it on my todo list, take a look at [[:File:Visual studio additionaldependencies.png]] I can provide the same just and fair rational to all images with it (I would agree that the image must be in use and context for it to be valid). It also seems that the indicated template was changed to include the dreaded "module" word (but not the examples), since images are attached to book (especially this type of images), I don't see a usefulness to indicate pages (increase of maintenance work). --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 00:48, 16 July 2010 (UTC) :::::Indicating the page shows where it was intended to be used. These files should only be used on one page each, otherwise they violate fair use. Specifying the page lets others know which pages would be the offending one if "what links here" goes to more than one page. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 02:59, 16 July 2010 (UTC) :::::: I think I understand what you are saying regarding a violation of a the fair use (for instance if an image is used out of context, the fair use rational loses value). Does the template supports adding more than one "active uses" of the image ? :::::: This creates another gray area since Wikibooks (the project) is considered an aggregation of independent works the inclusion of one good rational can be sufficient to justify any other use. :::::: Besides the problem created by the requirement for the rational has anyone caused issues about a fair use image on the project, in a non-preemptive way, as in a copyright holder or in a way of clear abuse of the image of a product ? I haven't dealt with images issues here besides the WB:MEDIA and a support for the move to Commons... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 03:23, 16 July 2010 (UTC) :::::::If it must be used in more than one location, a second {{tl|non-free use rationale}} must be added to justify the second use. I know you'll probably find that repulsive in terms of extra work, but this all is to protect against legal liability. It boils down to the fact that we really should not be using these images, but we can justify it if they are low resolution, do not cause financial impact, and are used in as few locations as possible in cases where the subject could not be illustrated otherwise. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 03:27, 16 July 2010 (UTC) ::::::::Is not much as a repulsion but lack of knowledge as I think I have since I'm contributing to the project only uploaded 3 images here, I have always preferred using commons from the start and I never faced a need to upload a fair use image (not a particular requirement on the books I work on), and the practice you describe (providing each of the multiple locations of the use of an image) I don't think (I don't remember but haven't checked) were described on the WB:MEDIA. But I appreciate you taking the time elucidate me on that regard. I'll try to keep a eye on that category, since most deletions seem avoidable and we can even avoid bothering the original unloader since the subject is confusing and anyone can do the task most of the time. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 03:58, 16 July 2010 (UTC) ::::::::I haven't checked the dates but I presume that all new Wikibookians with the upload flag understand this issue and have avoided the accumulation of work there. Do we have a bot the verifies the uses of the images against the "what links here" list to make sure all uses have a distinct rational ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 04:01, 16 July 2010 (UTC) {{outdent|::::::::}} No, we don't. I'd be interested in an anti-vandalism bot and an automatic signature bot as well, but I don't think anyone operating them at Wikipedia is interested in running them elsewhere. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 04:05, 16 July 2010 (UTC) :TPS: I have tried to make a request to SineBot's owner, but the user has archived the request without answering. Perhaps somebody here can programme a bot to do this? [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 04:11, 16 July 2010 (UTC) :This is one issue that could be helped by making our necessities more visible, some type of bot wish-list discussion page, I remember having already discussed the lack of a bot issue before with you, but even if we have in-house people that can run them or adapt already available implementations they may not be aware of the needs or the resources already available to create the bots. I remember doing some research last time we talked about it but the information seems to be very disperse. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 04:19, 16 July 2010 (UTC) == Reorganizing archives == I have a few suggestions, since you seem motivated to make changes to the archives: * How about giving each past requests for permission its own subpage? For example <tt>Wikibooks:Requests for permission/Administrators/Adrignola</tt>. That would make it easier to find and keep track of previous discussions just like with requests for deletion. * RFD has some numbered archives left over that could really use being split apart to use a consistent naming system for past discussions. * I think Archives should be kept in page names where archives only divided up by year, month, etc. because PrefixIndex can be used to return all Archives or just archives from a specific timeframe, while without Archives in the name, people can not find all archives at once. Also could you please use the flood flag while you are reorganizing the archives? I can't keep track of other changes in the Wikibooks namespace while your doing that without the flood flag. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 17:07, 17 July 2010 (UTC) :I do plan to do the RFDs too. You read my mind. You can see how I'm doing things at [[Wikibooks:Reading room/Archives]]. I was doing it by date, but I can switch to by user instead. I'll have to add some indicators such as (+Editor) or (-Editor) to some headings to indicate whether it's a removal or addition and what position (old discussions indicated removal or addition and position with many headings). That will mean that you can't use a PrefixIndex at the above page to search by date, but it's probably more useful by person. If you include the trailing slash when using PrefixIndex like I am on the above page, you can get the dated archives. Sorry about the flooding. I worry that people will think I'm not being transparent if I use pseudo-bot too often. I've hidden my edits and not much is really going on today. I'll assign the pseudo-bot flag when I resume. :Actually, do you want it /Username with all assignments and removals on that page or do you really want it broken down by position and user in the path? &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 17:17, 17 July 2010 (UTC) :: Well there are many ways that discussions could be broken down. People might want to look into why there was support or opposition to give a person certain tools to understand what has changed for new discussions, just as people do for books that have been brought up for deletion before. I wasn't suggesting to separate assignment and removal of tools. I think all discussion concerning a tool for a user should be archived together, not all discussions (will) end with assignment or removal happening. I think what is likely to be more important to users is understanding why there was support or opposition before and what has changed now. People can support or oppose giving one tool, but feel the opposite for another tool, so groups seems like a good point to break up a discussion to me. Further dividing discussion up by assignment or removal doesn't make since to me. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 18:13, 17 July 2010 (UTC) :::I wasn't meaning to break it up by assignment or removal in the path. But to me it would be simpler to have it be organized like /Username rather than /Position/Username, as all of a person's rights change discussions would be on the same page. That would also cut down on the number of archive pages created. It would also simplify any templates that might automatically point to a person's rights change discussions. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 21:21, 17 July 2010 (UTC) :::: Well besides what I've pointed out already as to why by group than by user might be useful, I guess it doesn't really mater right now. If /Username archives become too big than by groups could always be added to the mix later. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 21:51, 17 July 2010 (UTC) <s>Don't forget to remove the flood flag when your done. Just a reminder, because I noticed you were editing other pages that you probably didn't intend to edit with the flood flag still on. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 05:00, 18 July 2010 (UTC)</s> Never mind. Looks like I've found another bug. Watchlist showed when you added the flood group, but not when you removed it. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 05:06, 18 July 2010 (UTC) :<TPS>It appears on my watchlist. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 08:14, 18 July 2010 (UTC) :: That's just weird. Still isn't on my watchlist. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 13:03, 18 July 2010 (UTC) :::Not entirely a bug. Basically the pseudo-bot flag hid the rights change action as part of its final effect before being turned off. Darklama, check to see if you're hiding bot actions on your watchlist. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 14:21, 18 July 2010 (UTC) :::: I'm sure that I am. Still seems like a bug to show one, but not the other though. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 17:42, 18 July 2010 (UTC) It occurs to me that if old requests for permissions were broken up by user, instead of by date, that would make it impossible to reconstruct how project standards have evolved over time. Which seems to me to be of more vital long-term interest to the project than being able to rapidly conjure up all the records for a particular user. Organizing by date facilitates studying the overall trends, and it's still ''possible'' to dig up all the records for a user if necessary. So it seems to me RFP archives really should be kept by date. (Unless there's a way to do both ''without'' guaranteeing that eventually there will be mistakes made and the two versions of history will be inconsistent with each other.) --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 16:03, 18 July 2010 (UTC) : One solution might be to have a page to keep track of when a discussion happened, adding to the bottom of the list a link to the last archived discussion. Something like "* [[Wikibooks:Requests for permissions/Adrignola|Adrignola]] nominated for ''adminship'' '''May 17 2009'''." Like you said though mistakes could be made or isn't kept up with. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 17:39, 18 July 2010 (UTC) == Hi == What do I have to do to become an editor here? Thanks. [[User:Diego Grez|Diego Grez]] ([[User talk:Diego Grez|talk]]) 16:32, 19 July 2010 (UTC) :You just do what you're already doing. Anyone can edit at Wikibooks. If you are referencing the revision review system, you will gain what is current called "editor" status (soon to be called "reviewer") automatically after a period of time editing (be sure to use edit summaries, as that is one of the requirements). &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 16:35, 19 July 2010 (UTC) ::Ah ok. Thanks again. [[User:Diego Grez|Diego Grez]] ([[User talk:Diego Grez|talk]]) 16:46, 19 July 2010 (UTC) == [[Bicycles/Maintenance and Repair/Derailleurs/Rear Derailleur Adjustment]] == I corrected some serious issues with this article (it's good overall though), but my edit does not show the full page on my screen after I saved the review version (I'm using Google Chrome on XP). In particular, the Introduction section seems to have disappeared. I reloaded the page, reverted the edits, logged in and out and back in, logged out of my machine and back in again etc, nothing has worked. I noticed that you checked my edits (made before I realised I could log-in). Did the Introduction and all other sections show ok on your screen? [[User:Centrepull|Centrepull]] ([[User talk:Centrepull|talk]]) 18:26, 19 July 2010 (UTC) :Welcome! You had a link using the external link syntax with a single <nowiki>[</nowiki> rather than two (<nowiki>[[</nowiki>). I fixed this and the introduction now appears. I also remove the introduction heading since that's assumed for the first section. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 18:30, 19 July 2010 (UTC) Thanks very much. I fixed the several small inaccuracies etc in the article, you fixed the major mess-up I made with my edit. As we sey inna Jamaica: 'nice an' smooth!' [[User:Centrepull|Centrepull]] ([[User talk:Centrepull|talk]]) 20:19, 19 July 2010 (UTC) == Moving pages in Abstract Algebra/Groups == Hi, Adrignola. Thank you for reviewing my editing on the Groups section of "Abstract Algebra" Since I made some mistakes in naming, I hesitate to start cross-linking. I then have 2 questions: :1. Can mediawiki automatically fix broken links if I rename a page after I do the cross-linking? :2. If not, is it possible to allow me to rename within the section? I can't wait to start cross-linking theorems in the section. Thanks again. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Arydye001|Arydye001]] ([[User talk:Arydye001|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Arydye001|contribs]]) </span></small> :You are quite welcome. The software will not automatically fix broken links and we do not have any bots doing that for us here. It's all done by hand, usually by editors or administrators. If you have to move a page twice, you can click "what links here" in the toolbox at the lower left to see which pages are pointing to the old location of the page you just moved. You will then be able to correct those links to point to the correct location. If you are having trouble with a specific page, just let me know and I'll take a look. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 00:43, 21 July 2010 (UTC) I am sorry to ask again. Can I be added to the conform group? I am a new user, and certainly not a vandal. For the past four days, I waited patiently and mostly wish to give proper names to pages before I start cross-linking them. Thank you for your time. [[User:Arydye001|Arydye001]] ([[User talk:Arydye001|talk]]) 02:50, 22 July 2010 (UTC) :I cannot add anyone to the confirmed users list. The only way to move pages is to be autoconfirmed. Looking at your account, you will be automatically confirmed at 03:34, 22 July 2010 (UTC). The current time is 03:29, 22 July 2010 (UTC). So you've got about five minutes. I can also move pages for you. All you have to do is ask and I'll be happy to assist. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 03:29, 22 July 2010 (UTC) :: I notice the move button <small><font color = purple> finally</span></small> appear. Thank you very much! [[User:Arydye001|Arydye001]] ([[User talk:Arydye001|talk]]) 03:44, 22 July 2010 (UTC) == Wikikunior:Religions == I was surprised that you did a history merge of WJ:Religions into [[WJ:World Religions]]. There's no harm done, in this case, since I know enough to simply redirect the link from the talk page to point to the appropriate revision &mdash; but the content merge (whatever than might be) hadn't taken place yet, which is why the templates were {{tl|mergefrom}}/{{tl|mergeto}} rather than {{tl|now merged}}. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 16:07, 22 July 2010 (UTC) :I merged the content. I added the additional religions that were not present on [[WJ:World Religions]] to the contents page. They are the ones that are red linked on that page right now. There were no subpages to bring in. I'm not that daft. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 16:09, 22 July 2010 (UTC) ::Ah! I see where I disconnected on this &mdash; I'd had my eye particularly on a different aspect of the content. Apparently very narrowly focused on it, in fact. Thanks for the clarification. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 16:47, 22 July 2010 (UTC) == Re:Import thingy == The thing I had copied can be found at [[simple:wikipedia:Biographies of Famous Americans]], and the Wikibooks page is [[Wikijunior:Famous Americans]] [[User:Purplebackpack89|Purplebackpack89]] ([[User talk:Purplebackpack89|talk]]) 21:56, 23 July 2010 (UTC) == Question about user rights == If you have less than 100 edits, can you ''apply'' for editor privileges? Having to have my edits reviewed is kind of a drag, especially since I '''have''' review rights on Wikipedia [[User:Purplebackpack89|Purplebackpack89]] ([[User talk:Purplebackpack89|talk]]) 22:02, 23 July 2010 (UTC) :You can request them at [[WB:RFP]] and if the community is in favor of it, you can certainly get editor privileges assigned. The thing to keep in mind, though, is that people don't usually take editing on other wikis into account, simply because Wikibooks has a style, environment, and guidelines unique to itself. As a result, they might want to wait and see. Not because they don't trust you, but simply because we would want to be reminded to review your edits and see if there's any areas you might need guidance with. If you at some point feel comfortable here, you can go ahead and request it on the above page. Also, until we get our wiki configured, edits in the Wikijunior namespace don't count toward autopromotion to editor. If you are primarily editing there, then you ''will'' need to request the bit. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 22:51, 23 July 2010 (UTC) == Deletion requests == I cannot delete those [[C & C++ X]] pages you have marked for speedy deletion as they are still in use. The links to them must be pointed to equivalent content. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 21:05, 26 July 2010 (UTC) :Ok sorry, since the TOC will probably be deleted, didn't change it. Didn't even saw the what links there, wait for me to finish the merge it will save us some work. Ignore for now any tag on that namespace. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 21:09, 26 July 2010 (UTC) :Ok I think it is finished, there are some userspace link but seems to be the creator, since he didn't participate on the discussion, and the watchlist is updated with the moves (no real merges done. It is up to you if you see a need for any action on that regard... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 21:49, 26 July 2010 (UTC) :One question, why isn't the ending summary displayed in the [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=C%2B%2B_Programming/Chapters/C%2B%2B/Print_Version&printable=yes print version of the book chapters (chapter1)] ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 22:54, 26 July 2010 (UTC) :Because of the <nowiki><small></small></nowiki>. Any fix ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 23:02, 26 July 2010 (UTC) ::It doesn't appear to be because of {{tag|small}}. I played with it but couldn't get it to appear, even using regular HTML instead of wikisyntax and without the small tags. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 00:05, 27 July 2010 (UTC) :::Moved discussion here so you don't forget about the deletions. Will post something about the summary on the more general location.... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 02:24, 27 July 2010 (UTC) :::I will try the new stage it is a bit more flashy but removes the need for a subtitle and is easier to maintain, it may take a bit to adapt, but lets see if anyone makes any comment. Thanks for the fixing the template. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 13:47, 27 July 2010 (UTC) ::::You don't have to provide a date with {{tl|stage short}} either; it's optional. And in fact it's easier to maintain in that you only have to boost it when the content changes by 25%, rather than whenever the content changes by 10%. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 13:52, 27 July 2010 (UTC) == Advice? == Hi, could you take look at [[User_talk:Leighblackall#Naming|this question]] and advise? Thanks :) <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] ([[User talk:Leighblackall|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Leighblackall|contribs]]) </span></small> :Sure. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 12:05, 27 July 2010 (UTC) == Nice work == Nice work with [[Template:Lorem ipsum]] (though a bit complicated). I thought a short version, a medium version and a long one would be fine! <code>:P</code> 23:58, 28 July 2010 (UTC) :Well, it's actually the work of people whose edits were brought in via the history import. But this is why I've made an effort to update templates in terms of features and documentation. Many were getting left behind the equivalent versions at Wikipedia and limiting our possibilities. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 00:53, 29 July 2010 (UTC) == sister templates == I hadn't even noticed, until you did Template:Wikipedia that's on my watchlist, that you've drastically changed the appearances of the sister templates. Did I miss a major community discussion about trashing the Wikibooks house style? As far as I can tell you also did ''history merges'' of the old, thoughtfully formatted templates whose appearances books relied on (and have now been [[HyperText Markup Language|betrayed by]]) with the inconsistent alien imports. '''Common sense''' should have led you not to change the appearance simply based on the fact that it would screw over all books that expected the old appearance. Even ''with'' consensus of the small number of us who deal with project-wide issues, if we were going to import the alien templates with their names unchanged, the old templates should have been renamed and, frankly, all pages that used them modified to use the new names before importing the aliens. History merges of lovingly crafted Wikibooks-style templates with templates in an incompatible tradition is close to vandalism. What on Earth were you thinking? --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 15:30, 29 July 2010 (UTC) :I brought in additional sister project templates quite some time ago and wanted consistency in style. I would appreciate less hyperbole as it was a simple tweak to return to the old formatting. And it is a side box and the minor formatting change is not equivalent to vandalism. I really do not appreciate that tone. You could simply have stated that you did not like the new formatting and I would have returned it to the previous, just as I have now. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 15:53, 29 July 2010 (UTC) ::Just to be clear, I did not compare the formatting change to vandalism, and what I did compare I did not allege to be equivalent. ::That said, I do think that the overall tone of my above post was quite unnecessarily abrasive, for which I apologize. When I reached the limits of how much improvement could be achieved by revision at the time (for whatever reason), I should have rejected it entirely, walked away, and come back later and tried again. The templates would have waited patiently. ::There is a subtle discrepancy with the former behavior of the templates, which I hope to have time to investigate later. The observed effect is that the templates have vertical space between them when stacked, as in the example I linked earlier, {{nowrap|[[HyperText Markup Language]]}}. (Does that sound familiar? I think we may have encountered the same effect at the time of the decoupling of mbox-side.) --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 19:02, 29 July 2010 (UTC) == Thank you at Group Theory == <font color = DarkOrange>Thank you</span> very much for deleting unused pages at Abstract Algebra/Group Theory. [[User:Arydye001|Arydye001]] ([[User talk:Arydye001|talk]]) 02:27, 30 July 2010 (UTC) :You're welcome! I try to provide support so that you can focus on content creation. It's important that I justify my existence. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 02:37, 30 July 2010 (UTC) == Thanks for moving the blender photos to the commons! == I'll keep putting the ones I find on wikibooks into the blender 3d screenshots category, feel free to move em to the commmons and delete the category as you have time. thanks again for you assistance :) [[User:Pearts|Pearts]] ([[User talk:Pearts|talk]]) 16:52, 30 July 2010 (UTC) :Sure thing. There's about 8,000 free files left to push to Commons, so every bit helps. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 16:57, 30 July 2010 (UTC) q5sba9p5sto2jvxi9m3ucaqfvwtzrm0 3 237383 4654222 2015270 2026-07-12T18:09:26Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654222 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talk archive}} == Usurpation == Hello Adrignola. Could you please help me with [[:meta:Steward requests/SUL requests#Azeez|this request]]? Thanks in advance. [[:meta:User:Azeez|Azeez]] 04:35, 3 August 2010 (UTC) :[[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] '''Done'''. Please visit [[w:Special:MergeAccount|Special:MergeAccount]] to unify your account after logging in here. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 12:56, 3 August 2010 (UTC) == Sorry == Sorry for the mistake, and thanks for pointing that out. :) [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 12:53, 4 August 2010 (UTC) == redirects == Dear Adrignola, I see that someone is re-organizing the [[C++ Programming]] book, and that you are deleting the redirects left behind. I am happy that you are doing this under-appreciated clean-up work. However, as [[Help:Editing#Redirecting|Wikibooks:Redirect]] points out, deleting redirects breaks links. People search on Google, click on the link to some page in a Wikibook that used to have exactly the information they were looking for, then they are faced with a blank edit page. Would it be possible to hold off on deleting redirects until the next Google re-indexing, to avoid that problem? That way, even if the page has moved since the last Google re-indexing, people are redirected to a more useful page. (I hear rumors that Google re-indexes Wikibooks about once a week, so deleting redirects around 7 days after the move is fine with me). --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] ([[User talk:DavidCary|talk]]) 22:33, 30 July 2010 (UTC) :Sure. I wouldn't normally go out of my way to delete redirects, but these redirects were tagged for deletion, so that's why I took notice. Had they not been tagged, I likely would have been in blissful ignorance of their existence. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 22:48, 30 July 2010 (UTC) ::Question: This is an interesting point, but has other implications. (Sorry to intrude but as the one that tagged the named redirects, I would like to understand the issue) ::I fully support some consideration toward Google (but I don't understand what guarantees or best practices should be employed in general, not in particular to these redirects). I also share the view that most of our readers come from search engines results (I did, but it is debatable if special consideration should only be given only to Goolge, even if I also share the notion that it is the most used engine). What knowledge do we have about the indexing made by Google and others? Do we know the days and depth of those indexes and do we have some sort of guarantee that they will even be updated, that would validate a special consideration ? ::I've always acted on the notion that those re-indexes were out of our control or that we couldn't have special expectations, so losing time and effort on these considerations wasn't necessary. In other words that our cleanup tasks had no other special consideration than the usefulness to our local community. I also noted that deleted pages now have a different layout than when I started working here, for instance [[Law of three]] continue to show the destination of the redirect (even if not in a transparent way). Btw is this info displayer to all access levels ? Why aren't my delete tagging action included in the logs ? If so it permits a type of unaddressable vandalism and abuse of the project (the removing the my "last action" could be justifiable on that consideration). --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 00:14, 31 July 2010 (UTC) :::If you are viewing a book, you can click the "search this book" link in the toolbox to search the book and see how Google currently sees it. Enter in the topic of choice and see which page the results direct to. As for the delete tagging actions not being shown in your contributions history, that is because your edit to the page no longer exists (for you), in that it has been deleted. I can, however, as an administrator, view your deleted contributions history if needed ([[Special:Contributions/Panic2k4]] has links for me to view deleted user contributions, manage a user's rights, and check a user's IP addresses). &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 01:09, 31 July 2010 (UTC) ::::I mostly agree with Panic on this. Also, I'd like to point out that while waiting for that redirect to be deleted, it should be <nowiki>__NOINDEX__</nowiki>ed. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 01:22, 31 July 2010 (UTC) :::::Sorry, <nowiki>__NOINDEX__</nowiki> won't work in the main namespace. It will add a page to a hidden category in the user namespace and alter the page headers, but if you add it to a main page and go to edit, you won't see that hidden category at the bottom. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 02:08, 31 July 2010 (UTC) ::::::IMO, if it isn't noindexed, the whole point of this is gone: :::::::#Joe Bloggs moves Page X to Page Y. :::::::#Joe Bloggs waits. :::::::#Google reindexes; the redirect is still there. :::::::#John Q Public, who is an admin, deletes the redirect. :::::::#For the rest of the week, people looking at Google search sees a deleted redirect. ::::::[[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 02:53, 31 July 2010 (UTC) {{outdent|::::::}} To clarify: the wiki's configuration does not allow any page in mainspace to recognize the <nowiki>__NOINDEX__</nowiki> tag. We have no choice but to have everything indexed. If the content is moved, however, Google should direct searchers to the new location after its index is updated. In that same vein, even if we could add the noindex tag to a redirect, the next time Google comes by and sees that tag, it will already be updating the index to the point to the new location of the content. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 03:49, 31 July 2010 (UTC) : ''I don't understand what guarantees or best practices should be employed in general''. Me either, but I see that the [[Help:Editing#Redirecting|Wikibooks:Redirect]] page claims that "we always leave redirects in the old location to point to the new location". The person who has been using the WWW longer than anyone else once said that [http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI "Cool URIs don't change"]. : ''Do we know the days ... of those indexes'' If we know that most search engines re-index the internet once a week, I don't think we need to know the exact day that any particular search engine re-indexes Wikibooks -- we could assume that they all must have re-indexed Wikibooks *sometime* during a 7 day waiting period. : Ideally we would also give humans a chance to update their personal web pages and bookmarks as well, but some web pages go 10 years between updates, and waiting 10 years seems a bit unreasonable. :Kayau, would this work? :#Joe Bloggs moves Page X which talks about "left-handed antimuffins" to Page Y. :#People searching Google for "left-handed antimuffins" still find page X, and the Wikibooks server redirects them to page Y. :#Google reindexes and sees that page Y now talks a lot more about "left-handed antimuffins" than redirect page X. :#people searching Google for "left-handed antimuffins" find page Y (and perhaps, much further down on the search results, page X). :#John Q Public, who is an admin, deletes the redirect. :#people searching Google for "left-handed antimuffins" find page Y (and perhaps, much further down on the search results, page X). : --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] ([[User talk:DavidCary|talk]]) 00:11, 1 August 2010 (UTC) ::It would be necessary to create a new speedy template for redirect pages (to differentiate and ease the administrative task of dealing with the delay) --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 00:45, 1 August 2010 (UTC) None of this seems to take into account that if a page is deleted and a person goes to that page a message is shown that contains the last deletion log entry. This allows a paper trail can be left behind by including the new location in the deletion reason. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 01:38, 1 August 2010 (UTC) :I state that just at the end of my post of 00:14, 31 July 2010, as a possible reason that it could be unnecessary to give it a special consideration. (This new information is recent IIRC I only started to notice it a few months ago) I rarely get to look at the deleted pages so probably DavidCary wasn't aware of that information, in any case in a world that seeks instant satisfaction, I can see that looking at that log entry will be a put-off for some. It is a well known fact that most people even refuse to do a search for the information they require... :It could even be argued that going out of our way to attempt to include that sort of people is indeed a waste of time :) --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 01:54, 1 August 2010 (UTC) ::I don't think it would take much effort to rework the query template for this situation. However, note that placing a template above the redirect causes it to no longer function as a redirect and only serve as a link. Placing a template below the redirect and causing it to continue to work does nothing, as the template is ignored. You can see it yourself by placing {{tl|delete}} below the redirect code; the page is not added to the speedy deletion category. So making and adding a new template changes nothing from the state of a redirect with a {{tl|delete}} on it or a deleted redirect that shows the destination of the redirect if the deleting admin did not clear the deletion summary. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 03:53, 1 August 2010 (UTC) :::A solution would be a template and a transclusion of the destination (the downside would be that both locations would be indexed). --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 04:36, 1 August 2010 (UTC) : Thank you for pointing that out, darklama. I guess I never noticed that, when I go to a page that has been moved and the redirect deleted, that there is a link I can click on to go to the new location. : Does that happen by default, or does someone need to manually enter a link to the new location? : I guess that makes this whole conversation moot. : On the other hand, since "Cool URIs don't change", it could be argued that going out of our way to delete redirects is indeed a waste of time :-). --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] ([[User talk:DavidCary|talk]]) 20:23, 4 August 2010 (UTC) ::The link is provided if the administrator doing the deletion doesn't clear out the deletion reason box, which automatically is filled with the contents of the page (up to a point) when a page is deleted. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 21:42, 4 August 2010 (UTC) == Help Me Renaming A/c == Hi Adrignola,Sorry to put Renaming request on your page ,but I need your help to rename my account name in order to have a unified login across all projects,I wish to rename from "Wiki Prasannakumar" to just "Prasannakumar".Please help me in this regard.Thank you.[[User:Wiki Prasannakumar|Wiki Prasannakumar]] ([[User talk:Wiki Prasannakumar|talk]]) 02:01, 7 August 2010 (UTC) :[[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] '''Done'''. Please visit [[Special:MergeAccount]] to unify your login here with the login at the other projects. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 02:04, 7 August 2010 (UTC) *Thank you ,Once again.[[User:Prasannakumar|Prasannakumar]] ([[User talk:Prasannakumar|talk]]) 02:21, 7 August 2010 (UTC) == Strange behaviour of an image == Hallo Adrignola you recently helped me with renaming a book Question Writer 3 Manual to Question Writer Manual - and thanks very much for that. This week I have noticed that one of the images used in the book only appears properly on the screen when I am logged in (http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/File:QW3_Pro_star_icon.png). When I am not logged in and to other readers(probably not logged in)only the file name appears. All other images appear to be OK. I know that this one image has a different license but there no note on the image to say the license is wrong ?? Do you have any suggestions what might be the issue - I did wonder if it was an problem with the new look Wikibooks? [[User:Hskeet|Hskeet]] ([[User talk:Hskeet|talk]]) 12:21, 7 August 2010 (UTC) :I moved that image to Commons since it is freely licensed. When logged-out, you are viewing a cached version of a page, which tries to pull the image from Wikibooks. Since I deleted it locally, it then shows a red link to the file name. Logged in, you don't use the cache and it pulls the image from Commons. To correct this when logged out (before the cached version expires), you can add <tt>?action=purge</tt> to the end of the address of the page you are viewing. I don't know offhand how often the cached version of pages is updated (other than when someone makes an edit to the page, in which case it's immediately). &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 12:28, 7 August 2010 (UTC) == [[Wikijunior:Big Cats]] == I noticed that my attempt to publish a version of Wikijunior Big Cats has been removed with the comment "no spam; use PediaPress". The layout located at http://www.scribd.com/doc/2490736/Wikijunior-Big-Cats represents an effort that streches back a few years to publish Big Cats in an appealing format. This was a collaboration with various Wikibookians. At this point, I have no problem with the link to Lulu.com being removed because the book is not quite ready for purchase. However, please put the link to http://www.scribd.com/doc/2490736/Wikijunior-Big-Cats back. It is not spam. It is an attempt to make the layout of Big Cats more appealing to children. --[[User:Munchkinguy|Munchkinguy]] ([[User talk:Munchkinguy|talk]]) 01:27, 9 August 2010 (UTC) :Sure. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 01:30, 9 August 2010 (UTC) ::Thanks. --[[User:Munchkinguy|Munchkinguy]] ([[User talk:Munchkinguy|talk]]) 06:48, 18 August 2010 (UTC) == Global SUL Lock == On the Wikversity Colloquium, [[v:Wikiversity:Colloquium#Entry_.232|you wrote]]: :''A [[m:locked global account|locked global account]] '''cannot''' log in. [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] 17:15, 12 August 2010 (UTC)'' That used to be true, but some time ago they changed the way the SUL lock works. An account that is subject to an SUL lock can now log in, set their user preferences, use their watchlist, etc. But an account that is SUL locked ''cannot edit''. Here is a [http://newscafe.ansci.usu.edu/~bkort/MoultonLoggedIn.png screenshot] of me logged in to Wikiversity today as [[v:User:Moulton|User:Moulton]]. —[[betawikiversity:User:Moulton|Moulton]] 19:38, 12 August 2010 (UTC) :And to think, nobody at Meta updated that page... Not a good sign that they're working off outdated information. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 19:44, 12 August 2010 (UTC) == CU == A notice that Mike.lifeguard gave up their CU and you have been hit. Your CU access had to revoked per [[m:CheckUser policy]]. '''—[[User:I-20|<span style="color:black">I-20</span>]][[User talk:I-20|<span style="vertical-align:super;">the highway</span>]]''' 01:23, 13 August 2010 (UTC) :And you have mail. &nbsp;&ndash;&nbsp;<code style="color:#4B0082; font-weight:bold;">[[User:Mike.lifeguard|mike]]@[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|en.wb]]:&#126;$&nbsp;</code> 01:38, 13 August 2010 (UTC) ::it's related, so I thought I should also point out [[User_talk:Mike.lifeguard#G.27day_Mike|my note]] on the matter :-) [[User:Privatemusings|Privatemusings]] ([[User talk:Privatemusings|talk]]) 06:28, 13 August 2010 (UTC) :FYI, I've updated the meta page regarding the projects CU. Thanks,[[User:Acather96|Acather96]] ([[User talk:Acather96|talk]]) 19:09, 13 August 2010 (UTC) == American Alligator == First of all, thanks for the welcome! :) I am primarily a Wikipedian, but would really like to help out here. Was [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Transwiki:American_Alligator&diff=1910683&oldid=1799766 this] edit OK, and is this 'all there is' to de-wikifying? Thanks,[[User:Acather96|Acather96]] ([[User talk:Acather96|talk]]) 18:54, 13 August 2010 (UTC) :I'm a Wikipedian too, so I hope you know what a talk page stalker is. :) Yes, that was good, but you might want to remove the '''bolding''' for the subject as well, since that's an item that [[w:WP:LEAD]] covers. But the page doesn't have a home yet, so when it finds one it should follow the conventions of that book. Cheers [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 03:37, 14 August 2010 (UTC) == Discussion and posts == I noticed that you removed/substituted completely a post that I already had replied to (I didn't remove the reply but added a note about it).<be> I would appreciate a clear statement from you on the new discussion regarding the last intervention by Mike.<br> Regarding a process of removal of flags when (if not validation is given) Thekohser is unblocked, due to the feud that is apparent between the two I would expect that the user will seek some retribution (I hope he doesn't but it probable and will be valid), it is up to us, not to prevent it, but attempt to moderate and prevent the escalation of the situation. Mike's action didn't help but he has been a valid Wikibookian, he has put work on the project, a middle ground will have to be found and even what has been said about the move on the CU flag, that seemed especially badly timed, will need to be clarified (and it also a situation that needs to be clearly covered in policy as it does cause problems). --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 00:06, 15 August 2010 (UTC) :I reconsidered the merits of the comment and tried to replace it with another before a response was posted. I am not sure whether you had already replied to it or not; as your note says, the section makes sense in context. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 00:14, 15 August 2010 (UTC) ::I've determined which edit was the response. I do not wish to appear to be refactoring discussion, so I have added the comment back in at your request. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 03:55, 15 August 2010 (UTC) ::Since there seems to be a special state (of having the tools but by policy or personal request have them withhold), the access list on users having special rights should indicate who can have the files on request. This also has implications on the process of de-adminship, the rational is the same... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 23:48, 15 August 2010 (UTC) :::This is partially why I created the timeline at [[Wikibooks:Administrators]], to show who formerly held the tools. We remove administrators due to inactivity and so any of the "former" people in that timeline, if they become active again, might be eligible again. I do not recall anyone being involuntarily removed due to abuse, so it seems like it wouldn't be necessary to create an all-inclusive list duplicating the timeline. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 23:52, 15 August 2010 (UTC) ::::Any Administrators (and bureaucrats) that in absence had the tool removed would be not be eligible, by the section about expectation "'''If an administrator doesn't live up to these expectations, they can be nominated for de-adminship. Admins who do not meet these expectations are not automatically removed: They must be nominated on Wikibooks:Requests for permissions, and the discussion must reach consensus on the matter to remove the admin.'''" this process does constitute a discussion for consensus on the removal of the tools, until now it was not clear any the particular distinction of having the tools "suspended" without going trough this process, and many have expressed their distaste of the practice. No one made the clear distinction that is now common place, that a self "suspension" would bypass a community approved removal of the tools. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 00:19, 16 August 2010 (UTC) :::::Well, if you would like to propose changes, the talk page of the policy or the unstable would be a good place to start. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 00:23, 16 August 2010 (UTC) ::::::I hope you find this comment useful. ::::::The policy of automatic removal of tools upon inactivity is one which sets up this problem. That is not a normal process on wikis, except sometimes with certain high-level privileges. Automatic removal is harmless if a removed admin can return to tool access on request. ::::::In other words, it should really be considered a suspension of tool use, to protect the wiki, without any "cloud." What is a "cloud"? It means some reason to think that if the admin had not resigned, tool access might have been removed anyway. My own view is that "cloud' should also be considered suspended if the admin resigns. (I.e., any process under way might be re-activated.) The reason is that resignation under a cloud can reduce disruption and should be encouraged. Sometimes, as well, the true nature of a situation becomes clear, later, so suspending a cloud can make it much easier to resolve. ::::::Sometimes a "cloud" has arisen to the point that it was reasonably clear that the tools would have been removed. With any voluntary resignation, I'd say, note should be made of any pending process or complaint, anyone could do this within a reasonable time, and a 'crat should review that upon a restoration request, and decide if a community discussion is needed before restoration. The norm, absent a cloud, would be restoration on request, restoring the status quo ante, and considerations of efficiency lead to this conclusion. We know that any active administrator may make enemies, and thus a restoration discussion is quite likely to become disruptive, even if there was no cloud at the time of resignation or suspension for lack of activity. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 15:46, 17 August 2010 (UTC) :::::::To me the removal of tools due to inactivity is primarily to keep the list pruned, to ease the speed at which a contributor can get in contact with someone in case of an emergency. It enables easier auditing of sysop activity with the toolserver tool (won't even load for Wikipedia because they've never pruned). A lesser issue is that of security. I am majoring in information technology with an additional focus on security and work part-time after classes locking things down at the campus (among other tasks). When people graduate, they're removed. When staff are terminated, they're removed. So I don't mesh with all the people at Wikipedia complaining about security being a bogus rationale, because it's used in the real world. I digress. I don't believe there'd be a problem restoring upon request if the situation in which the tools were resigned was not controversial. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 15:56, 17 August 2010 (UTC) ::::::::Yes, removal makes the seeking of help more efficient, though that can be addressed by using a noticeboard to request help, instead of directing it to an individual administrator/bureaucrat. Further, there could be a separate listing of inactive administrators. The noticeboard procedure, if the noticeboard is not allowed to become a debate forum, is probably the best and most efficient, it doesn't depend on the presence of the admin you pick to ask. (it would just be a quick and efficient way to find someone to assist, and an admin "answering the call" would just note that (even prior to decision) and close the request, and if someone disagrees, in some way, they would then query the answering administrator or go through other process to discuss the matter somewhere else. That's crucial! A noticeboard like that should not become clogged with edits, which is what happened with AN/I on Wikipedia.) ::::::::Given this, I don't see the value of actual removal, except for the long-term security problem. Given that problem, removal for serious inactivity seems prudent, and quite harmless if the sysop can get the bit back on request. The notice to the sysop should mention this if it doesn't! Thanks for the opportunity to discuss this, I'm trying to design better procedures at Wikiversity and it helps me. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 18:02, 17 August 2010 (UTC) I believe another rational used for pruning inactive administrators is that the community changes over time and administrators gone awhile cannot be expected to know current community expectations, and could potentially use the tools in ways that harm the community or are no longer considered acceptable if they were allowed to keep the tools indefinitely. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 18:33, 17 August 2010 (UTC) There was one inactive administrator where changes in expectation lead to disapproval of how an administrator used the tools when they came back, but the community consensus was to wait out inactivity instead of removing the tools immediately. Any former administrator can request the tools again without prejudice, but AFAIK that hasn't happened yet so that part of the policy has never been tested. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 18:46, 17 August 2010 (UTC) == E-mail == I have e-mailed you the information about Wikipedia's Edit Filters. [[wikipedia:User:Od Mishehu|עוד&nbsp;מישהו]] [[wikipedia:User talk:Od Mishehu|Od&nbsp;Mishehu]] 15:05, 17 August 2010 (UTC) :Thank you. I've added them here. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 15:09, 17 August 2010 (UTC) == I'm a copycat, and you can't do anything about it :) == I'm gonna copy what you did and add BookCats to all the Chinese Wikibooks modules. Fortunately, zh is a lot smaller than en! :-) [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 10:09, 17 August 2010 (UTC) :Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. I will note that {{tl|BookCat}} was largely coded by Pi zero, however. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 12:05, 17 August 2010 (UTC) ::I'm talking about your tirelessness and botlike-ness. So far I've been adding bookcats (up to JavaScript now) to books, and tagging them for splitting and as stubs. I also nominated a few orphaned redirects for deletion. Then I plan to sort out all the cats - much like what you do! - and copy files to the commons. :) [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 05:14, 18 August 2010 (UTC) :::Excellent. In much the same way, if new contributors make a mistake, I try to show them the ropes by example rather than simply dictating how things should be done. If my actions inspire others, that makes it all worth it. I know that si.wikibooks was so impressed by our subject system that they contacted me to find out how we set it up and for assistance. It's also flattering when the other Wikibooks projects translate some of our larger books, such as Blender 3D: Noob to Pro (though they seem to not know about requesting the technical ability to import from here to comply with licensing...). For some of the languages, English Wikibooks is as proportionally larger to them as the English Wikipedia is to us. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 11:56, 18 August 2010 (UTC) == DDC and LCCN removal == Do you intend to replace subject classifications on the books you removed from DDC and LCCN? [[Special:Contributions/71.198.176.22|71.198.176.22]] ([[User talk:71.198.176.22|talk]]) 19:57, 17 August 2010 (UTC) :Those are instead applied using the {{tl|subjects}}, {{tl|alphabetical}}, and {{tl|status}} templates, which populates [[WB:CCO|this page]]. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 19:59, 17 August 2010 (UTC) == Note == I don't expect to be doing any more work on those old book topics. For that reason I invite anyone to consider deleting them. I am indifferent on whether they are kept or not. [[User:PullUpYourSocks|PullUpYourSocks]] ([[User talk:PullUpYourSocks|talk]]) 13:36, 18 August 2010 (UTC) == Welcome == Thank you for the warm welcome. --[[User:Freiberg|Freiberg]] ([[User talk:Freiberg|talk]]) 00:26, 19 August 2010 (UTC) == voting == Hi Adrignola, *I have a question: Is there an edit limit for voting? If yes, what is the limit? Thanks in advance. [[User:Srhat|Srhat]] ([[User talk:Srhat|talk]]) 21:23, 19 August 2010 (UTC) *:How about at least 50 edits and registered for at least two months? &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 21:46, 19 August 2010 (UTC) **Thank you :) I just couldn't find the page explaining this. [[User:Srhat|Srhat]] ([[User talk:Srhat|talk]]) 21:52, 19 August 2010 (UTC) [[Wikibooks:Decision making]] seems to have dropped the edit and registration restrictions way back. Is this about the voting for checkuser? Are there special meta requirements? (Beyond verification of ID.) I'm thinking I'll go !vote since I do intend to become active here. With books. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 00:33, 20 August 2010 (UTC) :Locally we don't have any restrictions and we really don't need them. I doubt this process needs any special consideration since it is only a call for demonstrated confidence (not really a vote), since every user will be affected by the decision, therefore any registered users should be able to participate and any objection (even of unregistered users) would be considered, since it is a decision covered by our policy for consensus, with some added external requirements (due to the nature of the tool). --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 01:03, 20 August 2010 (UTC) :(edit conflict) Well, I actually think there ''isn't'' a page that has any requirements. Our major permissions discussions have always revolved around consensus, so bureaucrats would use common sense and discount any unregistered/new users' opinions in the discussions when looking at an admin/'crat candidate. The requirements imposed by Meta for electing a CheckUser here forcing it to be a vote go against the Wikibooks grain, so to speak. Meta's requirements are for a minimum number of support votes ''and'' those support votes need to make up a certain percentage of the total. Wikis with ArbComs can set their own procedures. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 01:05, 20 August 2010 (UTC) == CheckUser == I have restored your checkuser tools here since the project has now two checkusers again, as per policy. Regards, [[User:Dferg|Dferg]] ([[User talk:Dferg|talk]]) 17:01, 21 August 2010 (UTC) == excuse me == but weren't you supposed to suppress the redirect in [[1945 The United States uses atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki]]? [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 10:08, 23 August 2010 (UTC) :There's nothing that says I ''have'' to. Given that it was recently being worked on, I didn't want the anonymous contributor (who will have a harder time looking at their contributions to see where the page went) to wonder what happened to the page. Since it has been some time now, I have deleted the redirect. I didn't know that failing to suppress it in that move three days ago would bother you. :) &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 12:07, 23 August 2010 (UTC) == [[Template:Collection]] == Could you take a look at [[:Template:Collection]]? It got way big on me, and now it chops off the word the first word in the book title (Adventist), and leads to an error page. I see this in the following sections of my book: * [[Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book/Outdoor Industries]] * [[Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book/Arts and Crafts]] * [[Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book/Nature]] * [[Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book/Health and Science]] * [[Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book/Household Arts]] * [[Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book/Outreach]] Since you were the last to edit it, I thought maybe you'd be up to tackling the problem. Thanks! --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 00:33, 25 August 2010 (UTC) :Fixed. The manually-specified parameter wasn't properly encoded. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 01:52, 25 August 2010 (UTC) ::Thanks a million! --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 02:06, 25 August 2010 (UTC) == I edited your closing sentence at VfD == Just to point out that I just edited you action on [[Wikibooks:Requests for deletion]], some words were out of order. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 13:42, 30 August 2010 (UTC) :That's a perfectly good word order; "the user is paying X no heed", X="attempts to reason with them". I de-redacted it (no offense to anyone involved, I hope). --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 14:08, 30 August 2010 (UTC) ::"This is in line with vandalism and the user is paying attempts to reason with them no heed." to me it doesn't seem correct and takes an effort to make sense of it, but I defer to you on such things. The separation created from the action and the qualifier creates unnecessary confusion, a clearer variation would be "the user is paying, to the attempts to reason with him, no heed." resolving the problem caused by unnecessary "them"... (My rewording was "...paying no heed to the attempts to reason with him.") --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 14:25, 30 August 2010 (UTC) :::English is my native language and so I've no doubt that some of my sentence structures might be of a complex nature. In the same vein, it is sometimes difficult for me to parse sentences composed by self-declared non-native speakers of English. It's just one of those quirks we'll have to deal with in the spirit of international collaboration. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 17:18, 30 August 2010 (UTC) 5stb8rfejkrdlv6lbtlipx4wvuo9ktp 0 237398 4654297 4653293 2026-07-13T11:41:25Z Jeff1138 301139 4654297 wikitext text/x-wiki {{ArosNav}} ==Introduction== This a list of computer hardware tested with mostly native AROS installs and, in the recommended sections, of virtual machines With 64bit support it is recommended 8Gb ram is needed and that SSE 4.1 and AVX are supported in the CPU i.e. from year 2012 for Intel CPUs and 2013 for AMD CPUs. They are x86-64 instruction sets designed to perform the same operations on multiple data items simultaneously, a technique known as Single Instruction, Multiple Data (SIMD). This allows for increased performance in tasks involving parallel computation. SSE 4.1 is a 128-bit SIMD instruction set, while AVX introduced 256-bit SIMD, further enhancing performance. Some apps require these features to run well, like 3D, multimedia decoding or JIT (javascript) in Odyssey web browser. If not the apps may work slower or might fail. If you have encountered differently (i.e. problems, incompatibilities, faults, annoyances, environment, errors, review of setup etc) please update this information. Please bear in mind that AROS has only a few hardware driver developers, whilst Linux counts in the tens and Windows in the hundreds. [[#Laptops]] [[#Netbook]] [[#Desktop Systems]] [[#AMD Sockets]] [[#Intel Sockets]] [[#Recommended hardware (32-bit)]] [[#Recommended hardware (64-bit)]] === Laptops === [[#top|...to the top]] * 2006/2007 Dell Latitude D-series laptops - business class machines, good support in Aros, easy to replace wifi card * 2006 some [https://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/laptops-portable-pcs/laptops-and-netbooks/toshiba-satellite-pro-a200-28550/review Satellite Pro A200] * 2008 For the tiny carry anywhere, the early run of Acer Aspire netbooks Rough estimate from taking a random laptop notebook what you can expect from a Native install of AROS {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Date ! width="5%" |Overall ! width="5%" |Gfx VESA ! width="5%" |Gfx 2D Acceleration ! width="10%" |Gfx 3D Acceleration ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Before 2002 || Poor to OK || VESA 90% || 2D 10% || {{N/A}} || Audio 10% || 40% || Wired 70% || 2% || Max RAM 512MB |- | 2002-2005 || OK || VESA 95% || 2D 10% || 3D 0% || Audio 30% || 70% || Wired 50% || 10% || Max RAM 2GB (for 32bit) |- | 2005-2012 || Good || VESA 98% || 2D 60% || 3D 30% || Audio 40% || 80% || Wired 30% || 10% || Max RAM 3Gb (32bit) to 8GB (64bit) |- | 2013-2017 || OK || VESA 98% || 2D 30% || 3D 0% || Audio 30% || 60% once usb3 completed || Wired 20% || 0% || Max RAM 8GB / 16GB better to go Intel / AMD Ryzen over AMD A series |- | 2018-2024 || OK || VESA 98% || 2D 20% || 3D 0% || Audio 40% || 40% once usb3 completed || Wired 30% || 0% || Max RAM 32GB better 64bit options if has an internal dvd drive and working ethernet |- | 2025-202x || Poor || VESA 95% || 2D 0% || 3D 0% || Audio 0% || 0% || Wired 10% || 0% || Max RAM 64GB AI disruption of previous hardware |- |} 3D tests now conducted with apps found in Demos/AROS/Mesa and run at default size (may need to View As -> Show All to see them. Any laptop with Windows 7(TM) 64bit or higher install, the bios and hard drive set in uefi/gpt mode (install of AROS incompatible) Most vendor suppliers get OEM (original equipment manufacturers) to make their laptops. These brand name companies purchase their laptops from *80% ODM (Original Design Manufacturer) such as Quanta, Compal, Wistron, Inventec, Foxconn (Hon Hai), Flextronics and Asus (now Pegatron) *20% MiTAC, FIC, Arima, Uniwill, ECS, Tonfang Origin and Clevo {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--May work-->{{Maybe|'''Works a little'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ====Acer/Gateway/Emachines==== Company founded under the name of Multitech in Taiwan in 1976, renamed to Acer or Acer Group in 1987 Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Packard Bell Aspire Extensa TimeLine Travelmate </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="2%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Travelmate 505 506 507 508 Series || <!--Chipset-->P2 Celeron 466Mhz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|boots}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Neo Magic Magic Graph 128XD (NM2160)}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 Crystal CS}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 minimal support but no audio etc - 506T, 506DX, 507T, 507DX, 508T |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 340 342 343 345 347 || <!--Chipset-->ALi M1621 with piii || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Trident Cyber 9525 || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1969 Solo-1}} || <!--USB-->2 ALi OHCI USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->a few have Intel e100 || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2000 32bit - 340T, 341T, 342T, 342TV, 343TV, 345T, 347TV |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 350 351 352 353 || <!--Chipset-->Ali with piii || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Trident Cyber Blade DSTN/Ai1 || <!--Audio-->{{No|ali5451}} || <!--USB-->2 USB 1.1 Ali M5237 OHCI || <!--Ethernet-->e100 || <!--Wireless-->Acer InviLink IEEE 802.11b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit very limited support but no support for PCMCIA O2 Micro OZ6933 - 350T, 351TEV, 352TEV, 353TEV |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 610 series 611 612 613 614 || <!--Chipset-->815 P3 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 82815 cgc || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->Intel e100 pro || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit - 610TXVi 610T 611TXV 612TX 613TXC |- | Aspire 3003LM || SIS AMD 3000 1.8GHz || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SIS AGP M760GX (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97 SIS codec}} || 3 USB 2.0 || {{yes|SIS900}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4318 AirForce One 54g}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 sempron |- | Travelmate 2310 Series ZL6 || Intel Celeron M 360 1.4GHz with SiS 661MX || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SiS Mirage M661MX (VESA only)}} || {{yes|SIS SI7012 AC97 with realtek ALC203 codec speakers only}} || || {{yes|SIS900}} || {{N/A|LM version has pci card slot but no antenna}} || 2017 Icaros 2.1.1 || 2004 32bit - No USB boot option but boot from DVD - reports of wifi losing connection (isolate/remove the metallic grounding foil ends of the antennas) - 2312LM_L - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3000 3002LMi 3500 5000 || <!--Chipset-->AMD CPU W-with SIS M760 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->SIS 760 || <!--Audio-->SIS || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->SIS 900 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4318 swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3050 5020 5050 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Single and Turion MK-36 Dual and RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - RS482M Xpress 1100 or RS485M Xpress 1150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek ALC883 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5006G or Broadcom BCM 4318 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit MK36 gets very hot |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2410 2420 2430 series || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel Mobile 915GMS 910GML || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 ICH6 with ALC203 codec || <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL-8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5005GS || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 2428AWXMi - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 3610 - WISTRON MORAR 3614WLMI || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|[http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=644066&postcount=13 AC97]}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8139 8139C+}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros AR5001X+, AR5BMB5 or Broadcom 4318}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.2.4 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit with good support [http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6205188#post6205188 wifi issues] |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2480 series 2483 WXMi (HannStar J MV4 94V) 2483NWXCi Aspire 3680, 3690 || <!--Chipset-->940GML i943 with Celeron 430 1.77GHz - 14.1" || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D and 3D openGL 1.x - Tunnel 181 gearbox 104 scores}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC883 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8038 yukon sky2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 5k AR5005G AR5BMB5 mini pci}} suspect laptop hardware issues || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 Works well shame about the internet options - noisy fan - poor battery life - no boot option for TI based mass storage sd card - Max 2GB memory - LCD Inverter Board IV12090/T-LF - |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2490 series 2492WXMi || <!--Chipset-->940GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 945 2D and 3D tunnel 164 gearbox 105}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5005GS suspect hardware issue}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 15inch screen - strange curved up at ends keyboard style - overall plastic construction - Atheros AR5005G(s) - |- | <!--Name-->Gateway ML6227B MA7 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron M 520 1.6Ghz with 945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|945GM 2D and 3D tunnel 169 gearbox 132}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDA Intel with STAC9250 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8038}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|8187L but swap ath5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 15.4 ultrabrite widescreen - Wifi Switch on side Fn/F2 - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 5630-6796 6288 BL50 || <!--Chipset-->T5200 T5500 Intel® Core™2 Duo T7200 T7400 T7600 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel® GMA 950 with S-Video out with 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio with ALC883? codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945abg swap for Atheros 5K}} || <!--Test Distro-->Tiny AROS || <!--Comments-->2006 - 64bit 39.1 cm (15.4" 1280 x 800) - 2 DDR2-SDRAM slots max 4GB - green mobo?? - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 5633WMLI BL51 || <!--Chipset-->T5500 with Intel® 945PM/GM Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia Go 7300 with 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Tiny Aros || <!--Comments-->2007 64 bit dual core2 - 15.4 WXGA screen - ddr2 max 4gb - OrbiCam no support - ENE chipset SD card - blue mobo?? - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 9410 9420 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core Duo with 945PM Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D NVIDIA GeForce Go 7300 - 128 MB VRAM G72M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel HD audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 8111 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945ABG but could swap with atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - 17in TFT 1,440 x 900 WXGA+ - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->eMachines E510 series KAL10 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron M 560 2.13Ghz with PM965 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel x3100 || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel with codec}} || <!--USB-->Intel || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5906M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros G AR5BXB63 bios issue??}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit very budget machine with InsydeH20 bios and F10 boot menu |- | <!--Name-->ACER Aspire 5920 [http://tim.id.au/laptops/acer/aspire%205920g.pdf 5920G] || <!--Chipset-->Santa Rosa Core 2 Duo T7300 T7500 later T9300 with GM965 and PM965(G) Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for X3100M or 8600M GS (rev a1) 9500M GT 256MB vram (G) but some AMD/ATI RV635 M86 HD 3650}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with realtek alc268, [https://forums.opensuse.org/t/no-sound-on-acer-aspire-5920g/32392 ALC883] or Realtek ALC1200 / alc888s codec ICH8}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5787M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel 3945ABG 4965 or Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood test iso 2023-01 2023-11 || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit boot with 'noacpi' or 'noioapic' - 15.4in 1280 x 800 pixels 16:10 - BMW Designworks ‘Gemstone’ design - over 3.0kg with options for 8-cell or 6-cell batteries - 2 SODIMM DDR2 667MT/s max 4GB - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->Acer A0521 Ao721 || Athlon II Neo K125 + AMD M880G || {{N/A}} || {{maybe| }} || {{maybe|ATI Radeon HD 4225 (VESA only)}} || {{No|Conexant}} || {{Maybe| }} || {{no|AR8152 l1c}} || {{unk|AR9285 ath9k}} || AspireOS 1.7 || 2006 64bit possible |- | <!--Name--> Extensa 5630Z || <!--Chipset-->T6600 with Intel GL40 Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Intel GMA 4500M HD (2D)}} || <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{No|Broadcom BCM 5764M}} || <!--Wireless--> {{No|RaLink RT2860}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit |- |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5250 series 5253 BZ400 BZ602 || <!--Chipset-->E350 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|VESA 2D for AMD HD6310}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDaudio for codec Conexant CX20584}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8151}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros 9k AR5B97}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire V5 V5-121 V5121 AO725 One 725 || <!--Chipset-->AMD C-70 C70 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|VESA for AMD 6290G}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|2 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire V5-122P MS2377 || <!--Chipset-->C-70 C70 with M55, AMD A4-1250 or A6 1450 up to 1.4Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->AMD 8210 || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|FCH USB EHCI OHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 but LAN/VGA Combo Port Cable (AK.LAVGCA 001) or MiniCP port to Acer Converter Cable (Mini CP to VGA/LAN/USB) (NP.OTH11 00C) needed}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit but no sse4 or avx - 26w battery internal, extension possible - 11.6in 1366 x 768 ips touchscreen - 7mm hd ssd - 2gb ddr3l soldered with 1 slot free max 4GB - bios hacking needed for virtualisation - |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell EasyNote TE69 TE69KB 522 || <!--Chipset-->slow E1-2500, E2-3800 2c2t Dual or A4-5000 4c4t Quad both soldered BGA769 (FT3) on Hudson-2 FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Use IDE mode}} setting AHCI to IDE mode - boots if UEFI set to Legacy || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for ATI Radeon 8120 8240, 8320, 8330 or 8280 islands}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio with ALC282 0x10ec, 0x0282 codec but not HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|Bios, Boot, set Boot mode to Legacy, nothing from USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8171 AR8175 or Broadcom BCM57780}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9565 0x1969 0x10a1}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire OS Xenon and AROS One 1.6 usb || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit with sse4.1 and AVX - 15.6in washed out screen big netbook - Boots with noacpi after using F2 to enter EFI firmware and f12 boot device - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots max 16Gb - |- | <!--Name-->ASPIRE Acer Aspire ES1-520 521 522 Series N15C4 ES1-523 || <!--Chipset-->AMD AMD E1-7010, A8-7410 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA for RADEON R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC 233 or CX20752 HD AUDIO CODEC}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8151 Gigabit or Broadcom 590x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8187 or 8812BU}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit with sse4.1 and AVX - 2 ddr3l slots - keyboard connected to top case - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Nitro 5 an515-42 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD rx560x || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->aspire 3 A315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->swift 3 sf315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 3 A315-23 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3020e, r3 3200u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3, 5 A515-44-R0ZN || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 4500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14in or 15.6" 1080p - 19v round charging - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr0tC3QJWxk repair], 4gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->Swift 3 SF314-42 series N19C4 , Swift SF315-4 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 4500U, 7 4700U|| <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 1080p - small round ac 19v 3.42A or usb-c - mobo FH4FR LA-J731P - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Acer Swift 3 SF314-43, Swift SF315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 1080p - small round ac or usb-c - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5 A515-45 || <!--Chipset-->r7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - asus round ac - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5 A515-47 || <!--Chipset-->ryzen 5 5625U, || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - asus round ac - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Asus==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus L8400-K Medion MD9467 || <!--Chipset-->Intel desktop 850MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->S3 Savage MX || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS allegro 1988}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Asus L2000 L2400 L2D Series Medion 9675 || <!--Chipset-->Athlon 4 mobile || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use vesa sis630 || <!--Audio-->{{No|sis7018}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->sis900 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->x51R X51RL || <!--Chipset-->Duo T2250 T2330 with RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M]}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|boots and detects}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL-8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5006EG AR5111 ath5k AzureWave AW-GE780 - could be ATI Chipset}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2, deadwood 2021, || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit 15.4 WXGA - 19v barrel - ESC boot select - F2 bios - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus R2H Ultra Mobile PC UMPC || <!--Chipset-->Celeron 900Mhz 910GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA900 || <!--Audio-->Ac97 ALC880 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8169 8101e || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm4fOrqyj3g boots] |- | <!--Name-->Asus A3 series A3F Ergo Ensis 211 RM || <!--Chipset-->P-M 1.6GHz to Core Duo with 950 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->Ac97 ALC655 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8100CL 10/100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit only |- | <!--Name-->Z33 || <!--Chipset-->915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->915GM || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC880 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 2915ABG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit Z33A Z33AE N5M N5A |- | Z70A Z70V Z70Va M6A z7000 z7000a || i915 + ICH6 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|mobile 915GML}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ICH6 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8001}} || {{no|Intel PRO 2200BG Fn / F2}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2005 32bit |- | [http://www.progweb.com/en/2010/09/linux-sur-un-portable-asus-a6jm/ A6jm] A6JC || 945GM || IDE || SATA || {{yes|nVidia GeForce Go 7600 G70}} || {{no|HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL8111 8168B}} || {{no|Intel 3945 ABG}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2006 32bit only |- | <!--Name-->F3Jc || <!--Chipset-->945PM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->G72M Quadro NVS 110M, GeForce Go 7300 || <!--Audio-->D audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8169 8111 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->X50GL F5GL || <!--Chipset-->T5800 with 965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA 2d - Nvidia 8200M G84 runs hot}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio MCP79 with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|MCP79}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5B91 AW-NE77}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit not much support no display with nouveau - 19v barrel - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS G50 & G51 series G50V G50Vt G51V G51VX G51J G51Jx G50VT X1 X5 ROG || <!--Chipset-->AMD64 with MCP71 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} || <!--Gfx-->nVidia GeForce 9800M GS (G94M) up to GT200 [GeForce GTX 260M] (G92M) || <!--Audio-->Nvidia HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros L1C atl1c}} || <!--Wireless-->Atheros G or Intel || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit not all GPUs are failing but a much higher % failing early, 8x00 and 9x00 G84, G86, G92, G94, and G96 series chips dying - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->M50V M50 series || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core 2 Duo P8400 or T9400 with Intel PM45 ICH9 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|BIOS set to compatibility IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GS or 9650M GT || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC663 || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 realtek 8169 8111C}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel 5100 or Atheros AR928X}}|| <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.0 USB || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 15.40 inch 16:10, 1680 x 1050 glossy - the "Infusion" design - heavy 3kg - ddr2 ram max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->Series F9 F9E F9dc F9f F9j F9s || <!--Chipset-->965GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC660 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|works}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|intel 3495 not working}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.41 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | P52F SO006X || i3-370M || IDE || SATA || {{yes|nVidia G92 [GeForce 9800 GT] (2D)}} || {{no|Intel HD Audio}} || {{yes|2 USB2.0}} || {{no|Atheros AR8121 AR8113 AR8114 (l1e)}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2010 64bit - ddr3 slot - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus * X53U MB Ver K53U or K52U Asus K53U MB Ver K53U * A53U XT2 X53B MB ver: K53BY (compal) || <!--Chipset-->Slow atom like speed E-350 (2011), E-450 (2011) on AMD M780G, much slower C-50 C50 (2012), C-60 C60 on the AMD A50M dark brown plastic build || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA ATi 6310M, 6320M later 6250M or 6290M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with alc269 codec Altec Lansing® Speakers}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|rtl8169 with RTL8111 phy}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros half height ar9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2 and 2018 AROS One 1.6 USB || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 dull 50% srgb screen - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - 5200 or 7800 mAh battery covers ASUS K53S K53E X54C X53S K84L X53SV X54HR K53F X53U laptops - 2 DDR3L slots max 8Gb - 19v barrel 5.5 / 2.5 mm - |- | <!--Name-->Asus K53T, Asus A53Z X53Z || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4-3305M on AMD M780G, A6-3420M dark brown plastic build || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD 6520G, 7670M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 with RTL8111 phy}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros half height}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 dull 50% srgb screen - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - 2 DDR3L slots max 8Gb - 19v barrel 5.5 / 2.5 mm - Altec Lansing® Speakers - |- | <!--Name-->X55U X401U X501U 1225B || <!--Chipset-->slow C-60 C60, C-70 C70 or E1 1200 E2 1800 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->6290G || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6" display - ram soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Asus A43TA A53TA K53TA XE2 A73T || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4-3300M, A6 3400M (laptop chip) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA AMD Radeon HD 6520G Integrated + HD 6470M (1GB GDDR3)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - |- | <!--Name-->X102BA || <!--Chipset-->Llano E1 1200 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|ide bios setting}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 8180 || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Qualcomm Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 10.1” Touchscreen - special asus 45w ac adapter - |- | <!--Name-->K55N, K75DE || <!--Chipset-->AMD a6 4400M A8 4500M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD 7640G || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC codec none through ATi Trinity HDMI || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 17.3-inch - |- | <!--Name-->X452EA X552EA F552E || <!--Chipset-->AMD E1 2100 or A4 5000M A8 4500M A10 4600M with A || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for AMD ATI Sun XT Radeon HD 8330 8670A 8670M 8690M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AMD FCH Azalia rev 02 with ALC898 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{{Yes|Realtek RTL8111 8168 8411}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit may support avx kabini trinity - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555Y || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-7210 A8-7410 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-colored plastic - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555B X555DG X555S X555U X555YI X555LAB || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-4210U to || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with coxenant and realtek alc codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-colored plastic - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555D || <!--Chipset-->AMD A10-8700P || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{unk|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-coloured plastic - internal battery - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS X555Q || <!--Chipset-->AMD® Bristol Ridge A10-9600P 7th Gen, A12-9720p || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|R5 + Radeon™ R6 M435DX Dual Graphics with VRAM GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8821AE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - FHD 15.6 1920x1080 - 37W battery internal - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M509ba || <!--Chipset-->AMD A9-9425 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for RADEON R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot max 16Gb - 19VDC 2.37A Max 45W 4.0mm x 1.35mm - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->ExpertBook P1410, ASUS ExpertBook P1 P1510CD, Expertbook Y1511CD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3200U, Ryzen 5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for AMD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit 14in or 15.6in 768p to 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 19V 3.42A asus barrel connector 4.0MM X 1.35MM 4phi - |- | <!--Name-->ASUSTeK ASUS EXPERTBOOK L1 L1400CDA, L1500CDA - 19v 3.42a 4.5phi Barrel with centre pin Outer 4.5mm Inner 3mm asus special untested EXA1203XH, EXA1203YH, EXA1208UH, PA-1650-30, PA-1650-78, PA-1650-93, ADP-65GD B, ADP-65DW B (Euro) || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' Ryzen 5 3500U - '''untested''' Ryzen 3 3200U, 3250U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 Nvme m.2 slot will not boot with sata3 m.2, optional 1 sata hdd with ribbon cable, no dvd drive}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for AMD vega 3, 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio 0x15de 0x15e3 with ALC256 codec 0x10ec 0x0256}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 1 usb-c and 3 usb-a }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro-->3500U with AROS One 64bit 1.2 usb installed to m.2 sata on another machine || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit 14in or 15.6in 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - up to 8Gb ddr4 sodimm soldered on board and 1 slot - micro sd card slot on some models - 42Whr B31N1915 C31N1915 C31N2204 - hold down F2 and press power for bios setup - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ==== Dell ==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Studio Inspiron Vostro XPS Alienware Precision Latitude </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="10%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Latitude CP 233GT, CPi d233xt d266xt D300XT a366xt, CPt S400GT S500GT S550GT S600GT S700ST, CPt C333GT C400GT || <!--Chipset-->Neo Magic || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - Neo magic Magic Media 2160 2360 256ZX || <!--Audio-->{{No|crystal pnp 4237b or magic media 256zx sound nm2360}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit Low-Density 16-chip 144p 144-pin 32Mx64 3.3V SODIMM - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude CPx H450GT H500GT H Series, CPt V433GT V466GT V600, Inspiron 5000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440BX with Pentium 3M (CPx) or Celeron (CPt) || <!--IDE-->{{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use Vesa - ATi Rage Pro Mobility M1}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1978 Maestro 2E Canyon 3D}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|1 slot 1.1 only}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro-->NB May 2013 || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit - 3 pin PA-6 PA6 power adapter plug - CDROM DVD Cxxx family media bay accessories untested |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C500 C600 (Quanta TM6) Inspiron 4000 7500, CPx J Series || <!--Chipset-->440BX ZX/DX || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage 128Pro Mobility M3 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ES1983S Maestro 3i}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 1.1 only}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A|some models had mini pci e100}}|| <!--Wireless-->{{N/A|a few came with internal antenna wiring}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->1999 square 3 pin charger PA9 PA-9 - C/Dock II untested - C/Port untested - Parallel to Floppy cable untested - CPx J600GT J650GT J700GT J750GT J800GT J850GT |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C510 C610 Insprion 4100 PP01L 2600 || <!--Chipset-->i830 and 1GHz+ P3-M || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|use VESA - ATI Radeon Mobility M6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 CS4205}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|3Com Etherlink}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|internal antenna wiring for an Atheros mini pci card}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2000 poor build quality - hard to find in good working order |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C400 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 830 CGC}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ac97 Crystal 4205}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|3Com 3c905C TX/TX-M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2000 Slim for the time - no media bays |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C640 (Quanta TM8) C840 Inspiron 8k2 8200 i8200 precision m50 || <!--Chipset-->P4M with 845EP || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA if ATi - use nouveau if 64mb Nvidia Gforce 4 440 Go || <!--Audio-->AC97 CS4205 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->3com 905c || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 C640 had one fan so was noisy and hot - C840 had 2 fans and ran slightly cooler but fan noise louder |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | Latitude D400 || P-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 ide}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|VESA only}} || {{yes|AC97 Audio playback only}} || {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || {{maybe|PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{no|BCM4318 AirForce one 54g replace with atheros 5k mini pci}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit might boot from USB stick but won't boot from USB-DVD - no sd card slot - power plug style - |- | Latitude D500 / D505 PP10L, Inspiron 510m || 855GME * revA00 * revA03 * revA06 | {{yes|IDE but needs the Dell adapter}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|855GM Gfx (VESA only)}} || {{Yes|Intel AC97 with IDT STAC 9750 codec playback head phones only}} || {{maybe| }} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4306 but exchange with atheros g in panel on laptop bottom}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || 2003 - 14 / 15 inch XGA 4:3 screen - plastic build - no sd card slot - boots from bay optical drive - not powering on/off with ac adapter is a [http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=37&topicid=30585 mobo fault of PC13 SMT 1206 ceramic cap hot] suggest [http://www.die4laser.com/D505fix/ 0.1uF 50V instead] - pc2700 333Mhz ram 1Gb max - |- | Latitude D505 (some) || VIA VT8237 VX700 || {{yes|IDE}} || || {{partial|VESA 2d on ATI RV350 Radeon 9550}} || {{no|VIA AC97 with codec}} || {{maybe|VIA USB glitchy}} || {{yes|VIA VT6102 Rhine-II}} || {{no|Intel 2200g Calexico2}} || <!--Test Distro--> || 2003 32bit little support - diagnostics pressing holding the Fn key, press the Power ON button (battery removed). Check the LEDs pattern - cmos battery behind flap in laptop battery slot - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1000 || <!--Chipset-->SIS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA SIS}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 SIS with AD1981B codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|SIS 900 but}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit [https://forum.level1techs.com/t/my-time-with-icaros-desktop-and-what-i-am-doing-as-a-dev-contributor-also-some-other-shit/113358 aremis using it] |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1100 PP07L || <!--Chipset-->845 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 845G}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC'97 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom 4401}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2004 |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 8500 5150 || <!--Chipset-->P4 855GM || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia 5200 Go - VESA if intel gfx}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|MCP AC97 with SigmaTel 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4306 rev 02 use Atheros Mini PCI}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit P4 runs well but hot |- | Latitude X300 PP04S small, slim and light case || 855GME * revA00 Intel ULV 1.2 Ghz * revA01 Intel ULV 1.4Ghz | {{yes|IDE internal and will boot cd/dvd through dock PR04S}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|855GM Gfx (VESA only)}} || {{Yes|Intel AC97 with STAC 97xx codec but no audio out of the dock}} || {{maybe|works but dock usb ports and usb DVD PD01S not detected}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM5705M gigabit}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4306 later intel - replace with atheros in the underside}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1, 2020 AROS One 1.6 usb, || 2003 12.1" 1024 x 768 - 19.5v PA-10 or PA-12 dell - ACPI works but bad s3 ram suspend sleep - no sd card boot - 1Gb max sodimm ddr 2700 |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D600 (Quanta JM2) PP05L - 600m || <!--Chipset-->82855 PM i855 * reva00 * revA01 * revA02 * revA03 * revA04 | <!--IDE--> {{yes}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA - ATI Radeon RV250 Mobility FireGL 9000}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 - STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5705}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 2100 or Broadcom BCM4306 - swap for Atheros panel in base}} || <!--Test Distro-->2011 Icaros 1.3 and [http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-62187.html 1.4.1 and 2016 2.1.1] || <!--Opinion-->2003 32bit 14inch using pc2100 memory with Caps light blinking is usually a memory error - Dell D505 D600 power up pressing the case docking port - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D600 (Quanta JM2) || <!--Chipset-->82855 PM i855 || <!--IDE--> {{yes}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D only vidia NV28 GeForce4 Ti 4200 Go 5200 Go 5650 Go}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 - STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5705}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4306 mini pci - swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.3 and [http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-62187.html 1.4.1] || <!--Opinion-->2003 32bit 14" - solder joints on the bios chip (press down f7/f8 keys) - RAM clean with eraser - memory cover plate maybe apply some pressure - |- | <!--Name-->D800 (Compal LA-1901) || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 570x || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4309 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - trackpoint type pointing device - |- | <!--Name-->D800 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{No|Nvidia }} || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 570x || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4309 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit 15inch 39cm |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1200 2200 PP10S Latitude 110L m350 1.3Ghz || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915GM || <!--IDE--> {{yes|UDMA boots cd or DVD and installs to HDisk}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA900 (2D and 3D openGL 1.x) Gearbox 56}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 playback only}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|BroadCom BCM4318 - swap for Atheros mini PCI in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2005 single core 32bit 14" 4:3 1024 768 XGA screen - heavy 6 lbs - PA16 barrel 19V 3.16A AC adapter - battery life 4cell 29WHr lasts 2 hours - 256mb soldered with 1 ddr pc2100 sodimm 1gb max - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1300 business B130 home PP21L Latitude 120L B120 by Compal - Inspiron 630m || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron M360 1.4GHz, M370 1.50 GHz, M380 1.73GHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|boots cd or DVD and installs to HDisk}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 915 2D and 3D openGL 1.x tunnel 172 gearbox 70}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback ear phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|works but waiting boot fail with AROS One usb version}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|intel 2200 or BCM4318 swap for Atheros mini pci underside - one antenna lead for main wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2, 2020 AROS One 1.6 usb, || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit single core - 14.1″ XGA 4:3 or 15.4" WXGA wide 1280 x 800 matte - ddr2 sodimm ram 2gb max - PA-16 19v psu tip 7.4mm * 5mm - f10 boot select f1 f2 bios |- | Latitude X1 PP05S || PP-M GMA915 rev A00 1.1GHz non-pae || {{yes|ide 1.8in zif/ce under keyboard}} || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|Vesa for Intel 915GM}} || {{yes|AC97 6.6 playback only with STAC codec}} || {{maybe|USB 2.0 but partial boot to blank screen}} || {{No|Broadcom 5751}} || {{no|Intel 2200BG - swap for Atheros mini pci under keyboard palm rest - disassembly of all laptop}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 dvd iso image virtualbox'd onto usb, Aros One 1.5 and 1.8 usb (2022) || 2005 32bit 12.1" 4:3 1024 x 768 - sd slot not bootable - 256mb soldered to board and 1 sodimm max 1GB ddr2 under keyboard - F12 bios boot F2 - pa-17 pa17 19v octagonal psu port |- | Latitude D410 PP06S *rev A00 *A01, A02 *A03 || GMA915 1.6GHz Pentium® M 730, 1.7GHz, 750 1.86GHz & 760 2.0GHz, 770 2.13GHz || {{yes|caddy and adapter needed 2.5" - remove hdd and write}} || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|Intel 915GM 2D and 3D OpenGL 1.3 tunnel 170 and gearbox 75}} || {{yes|AC97 playback only with STAC 9751 codec}} || {{maybe|works but will not boot from USB-DVD or AROS One 1.5 usb version}} || {{No|Broadcom 5751}} || {{no|Intel 2915ABG or later 2200BG - swap for Atheros mini pci under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro-->2015 Icaros 1.4, 2016 2.1.1 and AROS One 1.5 usb, || 2005 32bit 12.1" 4:3 1024 x 768 - no sd card slot - PR06S dock base |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D510 (Quanta DM1) || <!--Chipset-->915GM socket 479 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 915 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 STAC 975x}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG swap Atheros mini pci in base}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 14.1" 32bit single core Intel Celeron M 1.6GHz Pentium M 730 1.73Ghz - squarish 3:2 - issues with 3rd party battery 4 quick flashes of red led with 1 final green |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D610 (Quanta JM5B) PP11L || <!--Chipset-->910GML 915GM with mobile 1.6 to 2.26ghz * Rev A0x * Rev A0x * Rev A07 1.73Ghz | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 915 2D and 3D tunnel 174 gearbox 74}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 speaker head phones playback only with stac codec}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 2200BG or Broadcom mini pci under keyboard, swap wifi card for atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" 1024 x 768 - very noisy clicky trackpad buttons - one dimm slot under keyboard and other in underside 2GB 533Mhz 667Mhz DDR2 max - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D610 (Quanta JM5B) 0C4717 REV A05, 0K3879 REV.A00 || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - Ati X300 no radeon 2d}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG mini pci use Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" 1024 x 768 - very noisy clicky trackpad buttons - 19.5v psu |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D810 (Quanta ) || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - Ati X300 RV370 M22 later x600}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 stereo playback only idt 9751 codec}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0 but no boot from usb on 1.5}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG mini pci replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.1, aros one 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 15.4" F12 one time boot menu - 19.5v 90w psu ideal - battery not same as later dx20 ones - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 6000 6400, E1505 PP20L *A00 Pentium M *A0? Core Duo || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with PM 1.73Ghz, T2050 or T2060 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|vesa 2d - Ati 9700, x1300 RV515 M52, x1400 or nvidia go 7300 on mxm board}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio IDT 9200}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|usb boot }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200 3945 - swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1, AROS One 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2006 mostly 32bit - 15.4 inch glossy - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots - broadcom bcm92045 bluetooth detected but no support - 19.5v dell psu socket - f2 bios setup, f12 boot order - |- | <!--Name-->Inspirion E1705 9200 9300 9400 PP12L PP14L || <!--Chipset-->945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->proprietary Dell card/socket format Nvidia 6800, ati X300 or nVidia 7900GS gpu 3d corrupt || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 increasing vertical lines issues] 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Studio XPS M1210 || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with Core Duo to intel C2D T5500, T7400 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->nVidia G72M 7300 7400m || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT 92xx || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4311 - swap for Atheros 5k mini pci-e}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 slots max 4Gb - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1501 PP23LA Latitude 131L || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron 1.8GHz Turion MK-36 or X2 1.6Ghz TL-50 or TL-56 on ATI RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - ATI 1150 (x300) RS482M Mobility Radeon Xpress 200}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with stac 92xx codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom bcm 4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bcm4311 replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit 15.4 inch matt 16:10 1280x800 WXGA - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 6400 (Quanta FM1) *A00 Pentium M *A0? Core Duo *A08 Core2 Duo || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with BGA479 (socket M) T2050 1.6Ghz, T2060 1.60Ghz, T2080 1.73Ghz much later T5500 1.66Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with IDT 92xx codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4311 swap for Atheros 5k mini pci-e under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro-->deadwood 2019-04-16 iso || <!--Comments-->2006 mostly 32bit - 15.4" glossy - sd card - front multimedia keys - dvd rw - generic dell keyboard - coin cr2032 bios battery under keyboard - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 640m PP19L XPS M140 e1405 || <!--Chipset-->Core Solo T2050, T2300 Duo 1.83GHz T2400 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM4401-B0 100Base || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 or Broadcom 43xx, swap for Atheros 5k - Wireless Internet ON or OFF press the Function key + F2}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32 bit - 12.1 LCD CCFL WXGA 1280x800 up to 14.1 inch 16:10 1440x900 pixel, WXGA+ UltraSharp - supports also SSE3 on duos - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D420 (Compal LA-3071P) PP09S || <!--Chipset-->945 * revA00 Solo 1.2Ghz ULV U1400 * revA01 Duo 1.06Ghz u2500 * revA02 Duo 1.2Ghz | <!--IDE-->{{yes|ZIF/CE 1.8" slow under battery, ribbon cable}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 - 2D and 3D opengl tunnel 138 gearbox 103}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with STAC 92xx playback speakers head phones only)}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|2 and external usb optical drive works}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 mini pcie - swap Atheros 5k in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros Desktop 1.4 || <!--Opinion-->2006 32bit only - 12.1" 1280x800 - PR09S dock base rev02 DVD-RW usb boots - 1GB DDR2 2Rx16 max in base panel - f2 setup f5 diagnostics f12 boot list - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D520 PP17L || <!--Chipset--> * 64bit rev A01, A02 945GM Core2 Duo 1.83Ghz to 2.3Ghz * 32bit rev A00, A01 940GML Solo later Duo T2400 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| Philips SDR089, Philips CDD5263, TEAC DW224EV, Optiarc AD-5540A, HL-DL-ST GSAT21N, TSSTcorp TS-L632D}} || {{Yes|bios sata set to ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 900 series 2D and OpenGL1 3D tunnel 210 gearbox 153 teapot 27}} || {{Yes|HD audio with STAC 9200 codec}} || {{Yes|Boots and detects USB2.0}} || {{Yes|Broadcom 4400}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4312 BCM4321 Dell 1390 / 1490 mini pcie - easy to replace with atheros 5k in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4 and 2.2 and both AROS One 1.8 and AROS One x64 1.1 USB boot || 2006 mostly 64bit 4:3 aspect ratio 14.1 (XGA 1024x768) or later 15 inches (XGA+ 1400 by 1050) - F2 enter bios F12 choose boot - 19.5v dell tip pa-12 charger - bios coin cell cr2032 battery socketed in base panel - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D620 (Compal LA-2792) PP18L || <!--Chipset-->945GMS * rev A00 all Core Duo's 32 bit * rev A0x all Core 2 Duo's 64 bit | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D tunnel gearbox opengl1 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio playback}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 3945 mini pcie swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->AspireOS Xenon || <!--Opinion-->2006 64bit AROS capable with later revisions - 14" 1280 x 800 |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D620 || <!--Chipset-->Intel i945 * revA00 all Core Duo's 32 bit * revA01 all Core 2 Duo's 64 bit | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia 7300, 7600 NVS 110M G72 || <!--Audio-->{{dunno|HD Audio with STAC 9200 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless--> {{dunno}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 1440x900 screen - LA-2792P Rev.2.0 - DT785 UC218 Fan/ Heatsink (64bit) - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D820 (Quanta JM6) || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML * rev A00 * rev A01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D tunnel 195 - 100? gearbox 156}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with STAC 9200 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|BCM4310 replace with mini pcie atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Opinion-->2007 widescreen 15 inch 1280 x 800 matte - - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D820 (Quanta JM) || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia NVS 110M 120M G72}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio STAC 9200}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|BCM4310 swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit 15.4 1650x1050 WXGA or WSXGA+ or 1920x1200 WUXGA - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude D531 15" || <!--Chipset-->AMD Turion X2 TL56 or TL60 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA - ATi xpress X1270}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with IDT codec || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 57xx}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 or Dell Wireless 1390, 1505 or BCM4311 mini pcie || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit possible - no trackpoint - fails and goes wrong often - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D430 PP09S || <!--Chipset-->945 with Core2 Duo C2D U7500 1.06GHz U7600 1.2GHz U7700 1.33GHz * rev A00 * rev A01 * rev A02 | <!--IDE-->ZIF PATA IDE 1.8inch under battery and ribbon cable - slow use USB instead || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|945GML 2D and 3D opengl 1.x 171 tunnel 105 gearbox}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|STAC 92xx HD Audio speaker and ear phone - mono speaker}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 4965 AGN or 3945 ABG mini pci-e underside with Atheros 5k mini pci-e}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire 1.8 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit capable - sd card not supported - 19.5v PA12 power adapter - 12.1" 1280x800 matte - f2 setup f5 diagnostics f12 boot list - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D530 || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{partial|nVidia Quadro NVS 135M 2D 3d glitches G86}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio with STAC 9205 head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2007 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 ] cool air intake from underneath needed with pa-10 or pa-3e 90w psu required - standard 4:3 ratio aspect screen - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D630 (Compal LA-3301P) PP18L || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 T7250 2.0Ghz T7300 * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA X3100 (2D only, no external monitor)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio STAC 9205 but speaker and head phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4312 swap with pci-e Atheros 5k under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit possible - F12 to choose boot option - 2 ddr2 sodimm max 4G - 4400mah 48Wh battery lasts 2 hours - 6600mah 73Wh lasts 3 hours - two wire cr2032 cmos - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D630 || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 * revA00 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 ] GPU heatpad, no copper * revA01 0DT785 heatsink | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{partial|use VESA as nVidia NVS 135M 3d corrupts 0.7 tunnel 0.25 gearbox G86}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio with STAC 9205 head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D830 || <!--Chipset-->965GM with Core2 * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GM965 crestline 2d and 3d tunnel 115}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|replace with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros || <!--Comments-->2007 15 inch 1280 x 900 but updating the LCD to WXGA or WSXGA+ could be better - 2 ddr2 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D830 || <!--Chipset-->ICH8, Core2 DUO T7800 @ 2.60GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Intel ICH8M Serial ATA || <!--Gfx-->nVidia Quadro NVS 140M G86 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->Intel Wireless 4965AGN swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.03 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 15." - FN,F2 or FN,F8 or FN,F12 |- | <!--Name-->XPS M1710 || <!--Chipset-->945PM with T2400 T2600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->proprietary Dell card socket format GTX 7950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 1000 or Broadcom BCM5752 || <!--Wireless-->Intel swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 17.3" workstation type WXGA+ screen 1920x1200 - 2 ddr-2 667Mhz sodimm slots, |- | <!--Name-->XPS M1730 || <!--Chipset-->965 with T7200 T7600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GTX 7950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 1000 || <!--Wireless-->Intel swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit 17" workstation type WXGA+ screen manufactured by AU Optronics poor viewing angles, unevenly lit, light leakage, 2 ddr-2 800Mhz slots, |- | <!--Name-->Latitude E6410 P27LA, E6510 PP30LA, E6310 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-520M to i7-620M i7 820QM but no sse4.1 or AVX || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|NVidia NVS 3100M GT218 2D but 3D through external monitor}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio IDT 92HD81}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom or Intel 6200AGN or Link 6300}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3 || <!--Comments-->2010 64 bit - 14.1” WXGA+ up to 15.6in 15.6” FHD 1080p - 2 ddr3l 1333Mhz max 8Gb - 90w dell charger - 3pin cmos - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron M5030 || <!--Chipset-->rev A01 AMD V120, V140 rev A0? V160 M880G || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA RS880M Radeon HD 4225, 4250}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with ALC269q codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8152 v2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - DDR3 sodimm - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->E6420 E6520 ATG semi ruggized XFR || <!--Chipset-->sandy bridge i5 2520M 2540M or duo I7 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|set to Bios UEFI mode AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel HD 3000 with optional fermi Nvidia NVS 4200M GF119}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with IDT 92HD90 BXX codec but not HDMI codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6205}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.03 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit 15.6in - fan exhausts a lot of hot air when cpu taxed - VGA if Bios ATA set and Vesa only with Bios ACHI set - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron M5040 || <!--Chipset-->slow amd E450, later C-50 C50 or C-60 C60 with A50M chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|non efi sata in IDE mode but base plastic difficult to remove for access}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA AMD Radeon 6320, 6250 or 6290}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio IDT}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8105E VB 10/100}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 icaros 2.1.1 and AROS USB 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit 15INCH 1388 X 768 - f2 bios setup, f12 boot order - under removable keyboard via 4 top spring loaded catches is 1 ddr3l sodimm max 8gb and wifi - |- | Latitude e6230 E6330 E6430 || i3 3320M 3350M 2.8 GHz i5 3360M i7 3520M || {{N/A}} || {{partial|non RAID mode}} || {{partial|Intel HD 4000 (VESA only)}} || {{no|HD Audio}} || {{partial|Intel USB 3.0 (USB 1.1 2.0 only)}} || {{No|Intel 82579LM Gigabit}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313}} || <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2014 09-27 || 2013 64bit Ivy Bridge - 12.5-inch 13.3-inch 14-inch screen - not great support, better under hosted - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude 3330 || <!--Chipset-->Core i3 – 2375M to i5 – 3337U, Intel® Core i3 – 3227U, Celeron 1007U on HM77 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for intel Hd 2000 3000 vga hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with IDT 92HD93 Controller codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.0 (2), USB 2.0 PowerShare capable }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit, 13.3” HD 1366X768 16:9, 2 ddr3l slots max 8Gb, 720p HD video webcam, |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 15 5565 5567 AMD versions, Inspiron 3595 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9200u A9-9400 9425 A12-9700P Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon R5 R8 GCN 3 || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{partial| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit AVX2 - 15.6in 768p or 900p - there are intel versions avoid - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 5495, Inspiron 15 3585 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2300U 2500U 2700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|NVMe or optional 2.5in sata if caddy and ribbon cable}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon Vega 3 or 7 || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3246 aka ALC295 0x10ec, 0x0295 or ALC3263 aka ALC 0x10ec, 0x0 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14.0" FHD WVA 1080p (16:9) 220 nits or HD 768p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 32gb - 68whr battery with 2pin cmos bios coin - DC 19.5V 4.62A (90W) or 19.5V 3.34W (65W) 5.0mm x 7.4mm PA12 charging adapter - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 3505, Vostro 3515 || <!--Chipset-->athlon 300u, Ryzen 3250u (2c4t) 3450u 3500u 3700u (4c8t), Athlon Silver (2c2t) Gold (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|up to 2 nvme with optional 2.5in sata ribbon connector}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8, 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Realtek ALC3204, Cirrus Logic CS8409 (CS42L42 and SN005825)}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|RTL 8106E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8723DE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64-bit - 15.6inch - 2 ddr4 sodimm max 16G - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 5485 2-in-1 || <!--Chipset-->athlon 300u, Ryzen 3250u (2c4t) 3450u 3500u 3700u (4c8t), Athlon Silver (2c2t) Gold (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8, 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Realtek ALC3204}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8723DE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64-bit - 14inch - 2 ddr4 sodimm max 16G - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 3500, 3310, 3410, 3510, || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron-4205U, Pentium-5405U, Core i5 (8th Gen) i3-8145U, 8265U, i5-8365U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2D for Intel UHD Graphics 610 or 620 hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with Realtek ALC}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 usb-c usb-a}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p to 1080p 220nits - 65w - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - rtc cr2032 cmos 2 pin - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 5405 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 4500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->One M.2 2230/2280 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3204 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14" 1080p - dell round ac 19.50 VDC 4.50 mm x 2.90 mm 65W(19.5V-3.34A) round 4.5mm tip - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 5415, Inspiron 5515 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 5300U, Ryzen 5 5500U, Ryzen 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with realtek ALC3254 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 14" or 15.6in - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use or use dell round ac 65W 4.5MM x 3.0MM - replacing keyboard not easy - 1 ddr4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Vostro 3425, Vostro 3525, Vostro 5625 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 5425U, Ryzen 5 5625U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB4}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14in 15.6" to 16" FHD 1080p - dell round ac 65w 4.5MM x 3.0MM or avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Inspiron 15 Model 3535, Inspiron 14 7435 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 7520U, AMD Ryzen 5 7530U, 7 7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{No| hdmi 1.4 but no gpmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2024 64bit - 14.0" or 15.6" 1080p - dell round ac 65w 4.5MM x 3.0MM or usb-c charging - full sd card slot - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====Fujitsu-Siemens==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Amilo Esprimo Lifebook </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu [http://www.labri.fr/perso/fleury/index.php?page=bug_transmeta FMV-Biblo Loox S73A (Japan P1100) LifeBook P1120 Biblo Loox T93C (Japan P2120) P2020] || <!--Chipset-->Transmeta Crusoe CPU TM5600 633MHz with Ali M1535 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->ATI Rage Mobility M with 4MB SDRAM || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 Ali M1535 + STAC9723 Codec}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 only || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1999 32bit 10" 1280 x 600 matte LCD - QuickPoint IV mouse - metal chassis with palm rest plastic - 15GB 2.5 inch drive and SR 8175 8X DVD-ROM drive - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook S7000 S7010 S7010D S2020 || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M 1.6 or 1.7GHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Intel 855}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|AC97 with STAC 9751T or 9767 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros, Broadcom or Intel 2200BG - FN,F10}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit 14.1 inch with minimal support |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook e8010 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 855GM}} || <!--Audio-->AC97 STAC9767 or ALC203 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5705M}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3.1 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit 15.1 inch |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5000 ST5010 ST5011 ST5012 ST5020 ST5021 ST5022 || <!--Chipset-->1.0GHz P-M and later 1.1GHz on Intel 855GME || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 800 use VESA || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5788 tg3 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200BG}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit charged via a proprietary port power connector 16V 3.75A with wacom serial pen interface - indoor Screen transmissive 10.1 and later 12.1 XGA TFT - |- | <!--Name-->Amilo Pro V2010 || <!--Chipset-->VIA CN400 PM880 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{No|S3 unichrome use VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA AC97 VT8237 with codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Rhine 6102 6103 || <!--Wireless-->RaLink RT2500 || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit boot mount - unknown bootstrap error then crashes |- | <!--Name-->Amilo Li 1705 CN896 || <!--Chipset--> with VIA P4M900 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE}} || <!--Gfx-->ATi || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA VT8237 HD Audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->VT82xx 62xx || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|VIA Rhine}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros G}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit random freezes |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> Esprimo Mobile V5535 Skt mPGA 478MN | <!--Chipset--> | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE and EIDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{maybe|IDE mode with SIS 5513}} | <!--Gfx--> {{maybe|SiS 771 / 671 (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HD Audio SIS968 SIS966 SI7012 with ALC268 codec}} | <!--USB--> {{no|USB 1.1 and 2.0 issues}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|SiS 191 gigabit}} | <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros AR5001 mini pci express}} | <!--Test Distro-->aros one 1.5 usb | <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 20v barrel - f2 setup f12 multi boot - random freezing short time after booting - chipset SIS 671MX - |- | <!--Name-->Amilo SI 1520 1521p || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio Conexant codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Intel Pro 100}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.2 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit - Set Bios option ATA Control Mode to Compatible |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook S7020 S7020D || <!--Chipset--> Pentium M 740 1.73MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 915 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC260 codec || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5751M Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG or Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5030 ST5031 ST5032 || <!--Chipset-->1 to 1.2GHx Pentium M with 915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 900 || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Marvell || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit charged via a proprietary port power connector 6.0 x 4.4 mm round - 200 pin ddr2 ram |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5110 ST5111 ST5112 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with 1.2GHz Core Duo and Core2 Duo || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 900 || <!--Audio-->HD audio with STAC9228 codec || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 ABG or optional atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 either 32 or 64 bit - charged via a proprietary port power connector 6.0 x 4.4 mm round - SigmaTel® touchscreen - |- | <!--Name-->E8110 S7110 E8210 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|945GM}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC262 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8055 Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit Core Duo |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || CHIPSET || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook PH521 || <!--Chipset-->AMD E-350 E-450 1.65GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->HD 6310M 6320M || <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC269 || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 802.11 bgn}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6 inch 1366x768 pixels - DDR3 1066MHz - |- | <!--Name-->LIFEBOOK E752/E782/S752/S782 || <!--Chipset--> with Intel Core i3-2328M to i3-3110M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82579V 1000 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel Wireless 6205 may be able to swap for Atheros 5k }} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq==== [[#top|...to the top]] Build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Presario Pavilion Omnibook ProBook Armada Elitebook </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->1c00 series Compaq Presario [http://users.utu.fi/sjsepp/linuxcompaqarmada100s.html Armada 100S made by Mitac], 1247 || <!--Chipset-->K6-II with PE133 MVP-4 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA - Trident Blade3D AGP sp16953 || <!--Audio-->VIA ac'97 audio [rev20] with AD1881A codec || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|usual VIA issues [rev10]}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit 192MB max - PCcard Texas PC1211 no support - 1200 XL1 1200-XL1xx, XL101, XL103 XL105 XL106 XL109 XL110 XL111 XL116 XL118 XL119 XL125 |- | <!--Name-->1c01 series Armada 110, Evo N150 || <!--Chipset-->Intel with VIA PLE133 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - Trident Cyber Blade i1 chipset || <!--Audio-->VIA 686 rev20 82xxx 686a || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 82557 Pro 100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit max 192mb sodimm 100Mhz 133Mhz ram memory - 1200-XL405A 12XL405A XL502A 12XL502A 1600XL |- | Armada M300 M700 E500 || 440BX || {{Yes| }} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|ATI Rage LT M1 Mobility (VESA only)}} || {{no|AC97 ESS Maestro 2E M2E ES1987 sound}} || {{yes|USB1.1 only}} || {{No|[http://perho.org/stuff/m300/index_en.html Intel PRO 100+ Mini PCI]}} || {{N/A}} || Aspire OS 2012, Nightly 30-01 2013 and 04-05 2013 || 1999 32bit - F10 bios options and Fn+F11 reset CMOS with 64mb ram already on board |- | <!--Name-->HP Omnibook XE3 || <!--Chipset-->Intel BX 600Mhz GC model 256mb or AMD GD 500Mhz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - S3 Inc. 86C270 294 Savage IX-MV (rev 11) || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1988 Allegro 1 (rev 12)}} || <!--USB-->Intel 82371AB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit no cardbus pcmcia support - no audio from Polk Audio Speakers - |- | <!--Name-->HP Omnibook XE3 || <!--Chipset-->82830 ICH3 P3-M 750MHz 800Mhz 900MHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - CGC 830MG}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1988 Maestro 3i}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|only one 1.1 port}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|e100 82557}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A|}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.51 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit Boots USB Stick via Plop boot floppy - Memory for GF 256-512mb, GS up 1GB |- | <!--Name-->TC1000 TC-1000 Tablet PC || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA NV11 [GeForce2 Go] (rev b2) || <!--Audio-->VIA AC97 Audio (rev 50) || <!--USB-->OHCI NEC USB 2.0 (rev 02) || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 82551 QM (rev 10) || <!--Wireless-->Atmel at76c506 802.11b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit Transmeta LongRun (rev 03) with VT82C686 - Texas Instruments TI PCI1520 PC card Cardbus |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq R3000 ZV5000 (Compal LA-1851) || <!--Chipset-->Nvidia nForce 3 with AMD CPU || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia NV17 [GeForce4 420 Go 32M] || <!--Audio-->Nvidia || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom or Realtek RTL8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4303 BCM4306 or Atheros bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - HPs have a setting to automatically disable wireless if a wired connection is detected |- | <!--Name-->Compaq [http://www.walterswebsite.us/drivers.htm Presario 700 series] || <!--Chipset-->VT8363 VT8365 [Apollo Pro KT133 KM133] || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VT8636A (S3 Savage TwisterK) (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|VIA AC97 [rev50] with AD1886 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|VIA UHCI USB 1.1 [rev1a]}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RealTek RTL8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4306}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit poor consumer grade level construction - jbl audio pro speakers - no support for cardbus pcmcia TI PCI1410 - 700A EA LA UK US Z 701AP EA BR FR 701Z 702US 703US AP JP audio sp18895 Sp19472 |- |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | N400c || P3-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 CAM IDE U100}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Rage Mobility 128 (VESA only)}} || {{No|Maestro 3 allegro 1}} || {{yes|USB1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit Has no optical disc drive |- | N410c || P3-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 CAM IDE U100}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Radeon Mobility M7 LW 7500 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|Intel AC97 with AD1886 codec}} || {{yes|USB1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit Has no optical disc drive |- | Evo N600c || Pentium 4 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility M7 (VESA only)}} || {{No|ESS ES1968 Maestro 2}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2003 32bit |- | Evo N610c || Pentium 4 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility M7 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|Intel ICH AC97 with AD1886 codec}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || |- | N800c || P4 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility 7500 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit P4M CPU can get very warm |- | <!--Name-->NX7010 || <!--Chipset-->Intel || <!--IDE-->{{yes|IDE}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI mobility 7500 or 9000 Radeon 9200 64MB (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ADI codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci (1.1) and ehci (2.0)}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200b bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Preasrio V5000 (Compal LA-2771) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron 3000+ or Turion ML with SB400 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Ati RS480M Xpress 200}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 ATI with Conexant CX 20468 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8100 8101L 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|bcm4318 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 64bit single core machine V5001 V5002 V5002EA V5003 |- | <!--Name-->TC1100 TC-1100 Tablet PC || <!--Chipset-->855PM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia Geforce4 Go || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|BCM 4400}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros wlan W400 W500 or ? bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit |- | <!--Name-->NC6000 NC8000 NW8000 || <!--Chipset-->855PM with Pentium M 1.5 1.6 1.8GHz 2.0GHz || <!--IDE-->max 160 GB for NW 8000 || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Ati RV350 mobility 9600 M10 Fire GL T2 ISV use VESA 2D as no laptop display}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel AC97 with ADI codec playback only}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|2 ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM 5705M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|mini pci Atheros 5212 BG W400 W500 or Intel - all bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 based [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=41916&forum=47 works] - Firewire TI TSB43AB22/A - 8 pound 2.5 kg travel weight - an SD slot as well as two PC Card slots - 15-inch UXGA screen (1,600 x 1,200) or 15" SXGA+ (1400 x 1050) (4:3 ratio) |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Compaq NC6110 NX6110 NC6120 NC6220 NC4200 NC8200 TC4200 || <!--Chipset-->GMA 915GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D GMA 900}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 with ADI AD1981B playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|440x or BCM 5705M or 5751M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel IPW 2200 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.2 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit Sonoma based - Wifi with Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY else use USB one - (INVENTEC ASPEN UMA MV) (INVENTEC ASPEN DIS PV) - |- | <!--Name-->Compaq C500 CTO aka HP G7000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 945GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with realtek ALC262 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom BCM 4311 bios locked || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->HP DV6000 || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT 92HD 91B || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel PRO 100 VE || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32 bit only - Mosfet FDS6679 common cause of shorts giving no power to the tip. To reset adapter, unplug from AC (mains) and wait 15-30 sec. Then plug in again - |- | Presario F700 series, HP G6000 f730us F750 F750us F755US F756NR F765em || AMD Turion Mono MK-36 2.0Ghz NForce 560m or Twin X2 TK-55 with nForce 610m MCP67 || {{N/A| }} || {{Yes|but needs special sata adapt bit and caddy}} || {{Yes|GF Go 7000m 2D and 3D 640x350 to 1280x800 - ball solder issues due to poor cooling}} || {{Maybe| }} || {{Maybe|uhci and ehci boots}} || {{No|Nvidia }} || {{Yes|Atheros AR5007 bios locked}} || Icaros 1.3.1 and Aros One 1.6 USB || 2006 64bit - f9 boot device f10 bios setup - random freezes after a minutes use means internal ventilation maintenance needed each year essential - No sd card and overall limited phoenix bios options - |- | <!--Name-->Presario v6604au v6608au V3500 || <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA MCP67M with AMD Athlon64 X2 TK 55 amd 1.8ghz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|SATA 150}} || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce Go 7150M 630i or C67 630M MCP67 || <!--Audio-->conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia or Realtek 10/100 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4311 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit Altec Lansing Stereo Speakers - ball solder issues - |- | <!--Name-->Compaq presario v6610 v6615eo v6620us || <!--Chipset-->Turion 64 X2 mobile TK-55 / 1.8 GHz to athlon 64x2 @ 2.4ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|SATA 150}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|geforce 7150 or 7300m 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AMD HD Audio with IDT codec stereo playback only}} || <!--USB-->3 OHCI EHCI || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3 - || <!--Comments-->2007 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=40956&forum=48 works well] - 1 x ExpressCard/54 - SD Card slot - AO4407 test voltage of the Drain side (pins 5-8) with AC adapter and no battery, see 0 volts, connect the battery you should have 10-14v - |- | <!--Name-->v6630em v6642em || <!--Chipset-->nForce 630M with AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-58 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce 6150M or 7150M || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 15.4 in 1280 x 800 ( WXGA ) - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NC6400 || <!--Chipset-->945GM Core Duo || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|GMA 950 2D issues and no 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio AD1981HD}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros || <!--Comments-->2007 - replaced with Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY else use USB g - * 32bit Core Duo T2400 * 64bit Core 2 Duo T5600 T7600 |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NV NC6400 || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo + 945PM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Radeon x1300M (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with ADI1981 low volume}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|BCM 5753M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.4.2 || <!--Opinion-->2007 Harmon Kardon speakers |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NC6320 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with * 32bit Core Duo 1.83GHz T2400 * 64bit Core2 Duo 1.83GHz T5600 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 950 2D with a little 3D tunnel 213}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with AD1981HD codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM 5788}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2 || <!--Comments-->2007 replaced with Atheros AR5007eg if applying hacked wifi bios RISKY!! else use USB - 14.1" or 15 inch XGA 1024x768 - noisy cpu fan for core2 - trackpad rhs acts as window scroller - |- | <!--Name-->HP NC4400 TC4400 Tablet || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo with 82945 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|bios F.07 limits to 100GB 120GB}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|2D and 3D 282 tunnel and gearbox 150}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ADI 1981HD codec via ear phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM 5753M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 or BCM 4306 - Whitelist BIOS F.0C needed but risky}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2008 64 bit possible with Core2 - TI SD card reader non bootable - wacom serial digitiser pen not working - * 32bit 1.86GHz core duo * 64bit 2Ghz T7200, 2.16Ghz Core 2 Duo T7600 2.33GHz |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion DV2000 CTO || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950, X3100, Nvidia 8400M || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Conexant CX 20549 Venice || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia MCP51 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM 4311 or Intel 3945 4965 ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario C700 || <!--Chipset-->GMA960 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->X3100 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros AR5007 AR5001 AR242x}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->Compaq 2510p 6510b 6710b 6910b || <!--Chipset-->GMA 965GM GL960 || <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|X3100 some 2d but slow software 3d only}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio ADI AD1981 HD low volume on head phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566 or Broadcom BCM 5787M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945ABG or 4965ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire OS Xenon 2014 || <!--Comments-->2008 no sd card boot support - F9 to choose boot option - [http://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/7681-This-is-no-request-thread!-HP-COMPAQ-bioses-how-to-modify-the-bios/page111?p=333358#post333358 whitelist removal (risky) bios block for wifi card swap] |- | <!--Name-->CQ40 CQ41 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Intel}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BC4310 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario CQ35 CQ36 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4312 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 Compal LA-4743P - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq CQ42 CQ43 CQ45 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Coxenant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8191SE, Realtek 8188CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 (Quanta AX1) |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario CQ50 CQ56 || <!--Chipset-->Nvidia MCP78S || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Geforce 8200M || <!--Audio-->nVidia HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->nvidia MCP77 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR928X bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 [http://donovan6000.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/insyde-bios-modding-wifi-and-wwan-whitelists.html bios modding risky] MCP72XE MCP72P MCP78U MCP78S |- | <!--Name-->CQ60 || <!--Chipset-->Single core Sempron to dual turion || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Nvidia 8200M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->HP DV6700 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|Vesa for Nvidia 8400M}} || <!--Audio-->{{no| }} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->CQ60 || <!--Chipset-->Intel C2D || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Nvidia 9200M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->CQ57z || <!--Chipset-->AMD slow E-300 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA ATi HD 6310 wrestler}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek RTL8101 RTL8102}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RaLink RT5390}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->HP CQ58z 103SA E5K15EA || <!--Chipset-->AMD slow Dual-Core E1-1500 APU with A68M FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon HD 7310}} || <!--Audio-->Realtek idt codec || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 10/100 BASE-T}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 39.6 cm (15.6") HD BrightView LED-backlit (1366 x 768) |- | <!--Name-->HP 635 DM1 || <!--Chipset-->AMD slow E-300, E-450 later E2-1800 on SB7x0 SB8x0 SB9x0 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->ATI non efi SATA AHCI - IDE mode || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA 2D - AMD HD6310, 6320 to HD7340}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC270A GR but not Wrestler HDMI Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 driver covers Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 14" 1366 x 768 - f9 f10 - external battery - 2 stacked ddr3l sodimm slots max 16Gb under one base plate - removable keyboard - |- | <!--Name-->HP G6 2000-2b10NR 2000-2d10SX 2000-2d80NR || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow E1-2000 E2-3000M on A50M (soldered) A4-3305A on A60M (socket) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Radeon 6320, 6620G, 6520G, 6480G, 6380G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 100 1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 39.6-cm (15.6-in) HD LED BrightView (1366×768) - 1 or 2 ddr3l max 8G - 19VDC 3.42A Max 65W Tip 7.4mm x 5.0mm - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 6465B || <!--Chipset-->AMD massively slow A6-3310MX or A6-3410MX with A60M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD 6480G or 6520G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|IDT 92HD81B1X}} || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel AC 6205 or broadcom 4313 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 13-inch or 14-inch runs hot - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 8470p 8570p || <!--Chipset-->Intel Quad i7-3840QM, i7-3610QM, i7-3520M, i5-3210M, i3-3130M, i3-2370M on Intel QM77 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|set the bios boot options to not fastboot and drive mode IDE rather than AHCI }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for HD4000 with some having switchable Radeon M2000 or 7570M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio for IDT codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579LM }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel, Broadcom, Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->64 bit boots from CD* if safe mode 2 is used, although it is possible to remove the 'nodma' and 'debug' entries and boot || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit with SSE4.1 and AVX - 14in 1600 x 900 to 1366 x 768 - 2 DDR3L sodimm slots max 16Gb - TPM 1.2 - dual boot 32/64 bit is working fine - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 6475b, Probook 4445s 4545s, HP Pavilion 15-b115sa, [https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c04015674#AbT6 HP mt41 Mobile Thin Client PC] || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow A4 4300M, A6 4400M 4455M or A8 4500M with AMD A70M A76M FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 7420 7520G 7640G 7660G}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio with idt or realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek RTL8151FH-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6205 or Broadcom BCM 43228 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6-inch - |- | <!--Name-->HP ENVY 15-k112nl K1Y78EA || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core™ i7 i7-4510U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD4400 and/without NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 850M || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 15.6" 768p to 1080p - 19.5V 3.33A/4.62A/6.15A 65W/90W/120W AC - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G1, 455 G1 F2P93UT#ABA, 645 G1, Envy 15-j151ea G7V80EA, Envy m6-1310sa (E4R01EA#ABU) || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow Dual-Core E1-1500, or AMD Quad A4-4300M A8-4500M A10-4600M A4-5150M A6-5350M 2.9Ghz A10-5750M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for 7310, 7420G 7520G 7640G 7660G 8350G 8450G or 8550G, 8650G, 8750G }} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio IDT 92HD91 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 14in and 15in 1366 x 768 - external battery - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - 19.5v / 4.62A psu runs hot - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 245 G4, 255 G2, 455 G2, 255 G3, 455 G3, 255 G4 80CB, 255 G5 82F6, 355 G2, HP Pavilion 15-p038na 15-g092sa 15-p091sa 15-G094S 15-p144na 15-p142na, 15-Af156sa || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow A4-5000 A6-5200, E2-6110, E1-6010 E2-2000, E1-2100 E2-3800, A4-6210 A6-6310 A8-6410, E2-7110, A6-7310 A8-7410 APU on A68M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata some with cdrw dvdrw || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R2 R4 R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio ALC3201-GR}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8102E or Atheros 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Qualcomm Atheros AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit most have SSE4 AVX but E2-2000 does not - 15.6-inch (1366 x 768) - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - small 31Whr or 41Whr external battery covers 240 G4, 245 G4, 250 G4, 255 G4, 256 G4, 14G, 15G - keyboard repair swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 725 G2, 745 G2, 755 G2 || <!--Chipset-->Amd Quad very slow A6-7050B A8-7150B 1.9GHz A10-7350B || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA on AMD R4 R5 Radeon R6 with DP and vga}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD audio with IDT 92HD91}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 PCIe GBE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom or Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 12.5-inch, 14" or 15.6in (all 1366 x 768) - 19.5V 65w 45W AC adapter - internal pull up tab battery under base which slides off - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - keyboard swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 g2, Probook 445 G2, Probook 245 G2 most have cmos rtc battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow A6-8600 A8-8700 a10- || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon R5 R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel I219V 100/1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel or Qualcomm Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 14in and 15.6-inch HD (1366 x 768) or FHD 1080p - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots max 16GB - internal battery - hp ac psu tip - |- | <!--Name-->HP Probook 455 G3 should have a cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD slow A10-8700P || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 2.5in sata and most should have 9.5mm dvd-rw || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Conexant CX7501 codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|RTL8188EE }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 725 G3, 745 G3, 755 G3, 725 G4, 745 G4, 755 G4, HP mt43 || <!--Chipset-->Amd slow A8-8600B, A10-8700B, A12-8800B to Quad A8 Pro 9600B to A10 9800 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA on AMD R5 R6 R7 with DP and vga but screen is low res, dull colours, and blurry}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD audio with IDT codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5762 PCIe GBE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8723BE-VB}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 12.5-inch (1366 x 768) to 14" and 15.6in - 2 sodimm ddr3 - 19.5V 45W AC slim 4.5mm hp adapter - randomly shuts down and the noisy fans constantly on - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 G3, 655 G3 should have a cmos rtc battery underside of mb || <!--Chipset-->AMD 8th Gen slow A10-8730B, A8-9600B (4c4t) A6-8530B (2c2t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for AMD R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6in - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - keyboard repair swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G5 easy cmos and external main battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-6500U, i5-6200U, i3-6100U to slow i3-6006U, N3710 all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for iGPU Intel HD405 to HD520 dGPU or AMD Radeon R5 430M}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3227 (or ALC282) codec 0x0282 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso with noacpi || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p - HP ac psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G6 SL52 LA-E801P - easy cmos battery and external battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel tested '''7200U''' untested 7500U to slow N3060 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|ahci on M.2 sata or 2.5in whichever installed with 1 m.2 permanent and internal dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel Intel HD Graphics 620 or AMD Radeon 520}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio 0x8086, 0xa170 or 0x8086, 0x9dc8 with ALC3227 aka ALC282 codec 0x10EC, x0282}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|intel sunrise point-lp USB3.0 xHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8821CE or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso with noacpi || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p or 1080p - 19.5V 65W - 2 DDR4 sodimm slots max 16Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - poor hinges - |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion 14-BS, HP 15-BS LA-E802P cmos battery and external battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel i3-7200U to slow Celeron || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in (possibly requires the drive cable and M.2 sata3, most have no cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0x9d70 with ALC codec 0x10EC, x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8188CTV, RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 8Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP 14-bw022na - cmos coin battery and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow A6-9120 APU || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for R3}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio VOID with conexant CX7501 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 not working but port on the right works}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso with noacpi || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p to 900p - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP Probook 455 G4, Probook 455 G5, cmos battery on underside of mb take off back cover and below wifi card || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow A10-9600P APU, A9-9410, A6-9210 APU || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R4, R5 or R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek or intel Wireless-AC 7265}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 15.6in 768p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - keyboard swap problematic - rr03xl battery - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G6 (), easy cmos and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow E2-9000e, A9-9420, 9220P, A4-9125 (all 2c) AMD A6-9225 AMD A9-9425 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in (possibly requires the drive cable and M.2 sata3 and internal cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for R2 R3 R4}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x157a or 0x1002, 0x15b3 with ALC codec 0x10EC, x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8188CTV, RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 8Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G7 (la-g078p) - no cmos battery so needs internal battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow E2-9000e, A9-9420, 9220P, A4-9125 (all 2c) AMD A6-9225 AMD A9-9425 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in (possibly requires the drive cable and M.2 sata3, most have no internal cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for R2 R3 R4}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x157a or 0x1002, 0x15b3 with ALC codec 0x10EC, x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8188CTV, RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 8Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->ProBook 245 g8 - no cmos rtc coin battery but uses internal battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow A6-9225, A4-9125, A6-8350B, A4-5350B APU || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA R4 R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p - many later variants - keyboard swap problematic - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Probook 255 G7 84AE 7DE72EA 7DE73EA (epv51 la-g076p) - CMOS Error (502) replace main internal battery HT03XL to have bios remember settings || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 2200U 2300U (2c4t), R5 2500U, R7 2700U (4c8t) Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|M.2 (Sata or NVMe) and very optional 2.5in sata, most have mini sata port}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d 640p to 768p for AMD Vega 3, 6, or 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with ALC236 0x10ec, 0x0236 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8821CE, 8822BE or Intel AC 8265}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS x64 deadwoods' iso does not boot with cd/dvd and installed to 2.5in ssd, boots to grub choice, select but no further and reboots || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5 to 15.6in 768p mostly to 1080p - 1 on smaller laptops or 2 ddr4 2400mhz sodimm slots on larger laptops max 16Gb - hp 4.5mm blue tip charging - keyboard swap problematic - esc boot options f9 boot order f10 bios - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 725 G5, 735 G5, 745 G5, 755 G5, Probook 455 G6, ProBook 645 G6 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 2200U 2300U (2c4t), R5 2500U, R7 2700U (4c8t) Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|M.2 (Sata or NVMe) and very optional 2.5in sata, some have mini sata port but no cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d 640p to 768p for AMD Vega 3, 6, or 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with ALC 0x10ec, 0x0 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8821CE, 8822BE or Intel AC 8265}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5 to 15.6in 768p mostly to 1080p - 1 on smaller laptops or 2 ddr4 2400mhz sodimm slots on larger laptops max 16Gb - hp 4.5mm blue tip charging - keyboard swap problematic - esc boot options f9 boot order f10 bios - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP 14-cm, 15-bw0, HP 15-db0043na, HP 15-db0996na, HP 15-db0997na, 17-ca0007na, 17-ca1, ProBook 645 G4 - no cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2200U (2c 4t) 2500U (4c 8t) with AMD Carrizo FCH 51 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 M.2 and 1 2.5in on some larger models and hdd port }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R5 and later Vega 3 or 7}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio 0x1002, 0x103c or 0x1022, 0x157a with Realtek ALC3227 0x10ec, 0x0282 but ATI HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB3 USB boot drive stuck on kitty's eyes}} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 RTL8111E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL 8723DE 8821 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2020 Icaros 2.3 USB, Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit 2kg - screen is dim 14in, 15.6in or 17.3" 768p or 1080p - 65W 19.5V ac adapter - internal 3-cell 41 Wh Li-ion battery does not last long - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - no DVD-Writer - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G7, 250 G8 - no cmos battery so needs internal battery and needs usb3 boot due to garbage bios boot options || <!--Chipset-->Intel 8235U 8265U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|M.2 nvme not working, optional sata 2.5in requires LS-G072P and ribbon cable, if internal cdrw dvdrw partial boot}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel WhiskeyLake-U 620 GT2 UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0xa170 or 0x8086, 0x9dc8 with ALC236 codec 0x10EC, x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|Cannon Point-LP USB3.1 xHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso does not boot stuck on kittys eyes || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit 1080p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 16Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP 255 G7 7DC73EA 2D200EA 87CE (fpp55 la-g07jp), - CMOS Error (502) replace 41.04Wh ht03xl hto3xl dynapack suzhou main battery to have bios remember settings || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' R5 3500U (4c8t) '''untested''' mostly dual cores - AMD Athlon Gold 3150U (2c2t), Silver 3050U APU (2c2t), Ryzen 3 Pro 3145U APU, 3200U (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 m.2 NVMe or sata3 up to 2280, optional 2.5in sata, many have mini-sata slimline 6+7 internal port but no physical 9mm drive}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D from 640p to 1080p for AMD Vega 3, 6 or 8 with up to 2gb ram taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with realtek ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but no usb-c}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek GbE RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8822BE}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit and 64bit burnt iso does not fully boot (stuck on kitty's eyes) and installed onto 2.5in on another compatible computer, sometimes has dosboot bootstrap error -6 || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in / 15.6in dim tn panel 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16gb - hp 19.5V 45W 65W AC blue tip round 4.5 mm - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - caps lock blinking 3 times then 2 quick pulses means ram or bios issue - f9 boot order f10 uefi - laptop needs usb3 to boot and use so avoid until usb3 arrives |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G5 needs main battery for bios settings saved || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-8550U, i5-8250U, i3-8130U, i7-7500U, i5-7200U, i3-7100U, i3-7020, i3-6006U all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso with noacpi || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - HP ac psu, 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->[https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c06955717 ProBook 245 g8], Probook 445R G6, 455R G6, HP14-dk0599sa, pavilion 15-cw1511na 15-cw1507sa, HP 15s-eq1516sa no cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Gold 3150U (2c2t), Silver 3050U APU (2c2t), Ryzen 3 Pro 3145U APU, 3200U (2c4t) and 3500U (4c8t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 m.2 (NVMe or sata3 up to 2280), optional 2.5in sata but resets}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D from 640p to 1080p for AMD Vega 3, 6 or 8 with up to 2gb ram taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with realtek ALC codec 0x10ec, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek GbE RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8822BE}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in / 15.6in dim tn panel 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16gb - hp 19.5V 45W 65W AC blue tip round 4.5 mm - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - f9 boot order f10 uefi |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G6 needs main battery for bios settings saved || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-8565U, i5-8265U, i3-8165U all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD 620}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3246 aka ALC295 codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - 45W 19.5V HP ac psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Elitebook 735 G6 5VA23AV, Elitebook 745 G6, 255 g8, HP 15s-dy - no cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD® Ryzen™ 5-3500U Ryzen 3-3300U AMD Ryzen 3-3250U AMD Athlon® Gold 3150U AMD Athlon Silver 3050U AMD 3020e || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|m.2 2280 nvme in legacy - hp sure start and secure boot disabled but still issues with gpt installs - LS-H323P LS-K201P}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Vega 8, 5 or 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 6.34 ahi with realtek ALC codec 0x10EC, 0x0295}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 type-A port boots stick partially to kitty eyes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 realtek RTL8111E or 8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|realtek or intel}} || <!--Test Distro-->2020 Icaros 2.3 onto USB and AROS One 1.8 USB, Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso with noacpi || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 1366x768 to 1920x1080 - 2 3200MHz DDR4 sodimms - 19.5V 2.31A or 20V 2.25 45W 4.5X3.0MM hp - esc bios setup, f9 boot device select - low travel keyboard - poor hw03xl or battery life - plastic hooked base with retained screws - touchpad? - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 445 G7, 455 G7 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 4300U 5 4500U 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 sata and 1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with realtek alc236 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek rtl8111ep}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|realtek RTL8822CE or intel AC 9260 or Wi-Fi 6 AX200}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14 inch 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - smart 45w 65w hp or usb-c charging - keyboard swap problematic - RE03XL battery - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G7 || <!--Chipset-->Intel || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111EP}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso with noacpi || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 745 G7, 845 G7, HP 15-EH0006NA || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, 5 4500U, PRO 4650U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->SSD M.2 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Radeon Vega 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|Hdaudio with codec 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - Bang & Olufsen speakers - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G8, HP 245 G9, ProBook 255 G9 816C2EA#ABE, - no cmos battery only internal battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD RYZEN 3 5300u, 5425U, 5 5500U 5625U, 7 5700u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|NVMe}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Vega 6 or 8 hdmi 1.4B}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822CE or Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14" to 15.6in 768p to 1080p poor gamut - 45 or 65w hp psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16GB - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G9 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel Iris Xe}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6 inch - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 645 g7, 835 G8, 845 g8, HP ENVY x360 13 15, HP 17-cp0021na || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 5650U, 7 5800U, R7 Pro 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Radeon}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x, 0x with ALC3247 aka ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 1Gbe on 645 only}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 13.3" or 14" 1080p - poor screens low nits and srgb score - 845 gets hot ue to poor cooling - slim round hp ac - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP Dev One, HP ProBook 455 G8 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7 5800U, R7 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 15.6" 1080p - 2 internal sodimm slots - hp barrel charging - |- | <!--Name-->Elitebook 655 g9 669y1ut#aba, || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5675U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 15.6" 1080p - 1 or 2 internal sodimm slots - usb-c charging - |- | <!--Name-->HP probook 635 Aero G8 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 5600U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2921 64bit - 14in 1080p - 2 ddr4 slots - ec chip nuvoton NPCX797HA1B - bios winbond 250256JYEN - |- | <!--Name-->HP PROBOOK X360 435 G8 cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->RYZEN 5 5600U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D }} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDaudio with ALC236 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|RTL8822CE or Intel AX200}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - hp round ac plug - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 845 g9 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6000 series 6850u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Qualcomm Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit aluminum case - 14in 1080p to 2140p 16:10 poor screen again - 2 internal ddr5 sodimm slots - usb-c ac charging avoid any knocks - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 445 G10, 455 G10 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 7530U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Vega 7 || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6in - hp round ac - |- | <!--Name-->Hp 455 G11 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 7335U (4c8t), 5 7535U (6c12t), 7 7735U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Vega 7 || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 35.6 cm (14.0 in) 1920x1200 or 2560x1600 - usb-c 45w or 65w ac - 2 ddr5 sodimm slots max 32gb - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====IBM/Lenovo==== [[#top|...to the top]] Build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > iSeries Edge Ideapad Thinkpad - good cases and construction but electronic internals same as anyone else </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad 390X 390E (2626) || <!--Chipset-->Neo Magic MM2200 with C400 P2-266 to P3 500MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA || <!--Audio-->{{No|256AV or ESS Solo-1}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad 600x || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440BX || <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Neomagic NM2360 MagicMedia 256ZX}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Crystal CS4297A codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3.1 || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit a little support - earlier 600 and 600e were Pentium 2 based |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X20 (2662-32U) X21 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440 BX ZX DX || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 with Cirrus Logic Crystal cs4281}} || <!--USB-->1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->no mini pci intel e100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit |- | Thinkpad T20 (2647) T21 (26) T22 || 440BX || {{Maybe| }} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|Savage IX-MV (VESA only)}} || {{no|Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/ 24/30}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2002 32bit |- | <!--Name-->A21e (2628, 2655) A22e || <!--Chipset-->440MX || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Ati rage mobility || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 Cs4299 CS4229}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->intel e100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 |- | Thinkpad T23 (2647) || i810 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|S3 Super Savage IX/C SDR (VESA only)}} || {{maybe|AC'97 CS4299}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel ICH3 PRO 100 VE}} || {{no|Realtek RTL8180L others with bios hacking risky}} || || 2003 32bit with some support |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X22 X23 X24 || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATi Mobility M6 LY || <!--Audio-->Ac97 CS4299 || <!--USB-->2 x 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->Intel Pro 100 || <!--Wireless-->Actiontec Harris Semi Intersil Prism 2.5 (X23 and X24 only) || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit with slice Ultrabase X2 - |- | <!--Name-->A30 A30p || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon M6 || <!--Audio-->AC97 CS 4299 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel Pro 100 ve || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->A31 A31p R31 R32 T30 || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon 7500 or FireGL || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 Intel with AD1881A codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes| Intel Pro 100 ve}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->[https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Android-Ecosystem-Developers/AROS-An-operation-system-inside-Android/td-p/1441741 Icaros 1.5.2] || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit Also tested with Icaros 2.0.3. |- | Thinkpad X30 (2673) X31 (2884-xx2) X31t || i830 || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA only Radeon M6 Mobility}} || {{yes|AC97 - AD1981B codec}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{no|Cisco Aironet or Intel 2915 but atheros with bios hacking}} || Icaros 1.4 || 2004 32bit sound bit distorted |- | <!--Name-->R50e R51 || <!--Chipset-->855M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel 855M use VESA}} || <!--Audio-->intel AC97 with AD1981B codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Intel 100 VE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - |- | IBM Thinkpad T40 (2373) T41 T41p (2379) T42 T42p T43 T43p || Intel 8xx || {{partial|PIO}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI mobility 7500 9000 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97 playback}} || {{yes|uhci 1.1 and ehci 2.0}} || {{no|e1000}} || {{Maybe|Intel 2200bg bios locked but possible AR5BMB-44 AR5212 FRU 39T0081 mini PCI}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2004 32bit 16v IBM plug - Centrino Needs ATA=nodma option - issues with the inner chip of the SMT BGA graphics chip |- | Thinkpad X32 || i855 || {{yes|40, 60 or 80GB 2.5" PATA HDD}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA only ATI Mobility Radeon 7000 with 16MB}} || {{maybe| Intel AC'97 Audio with a AD1981B codec}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Intel 1000}} || {{no|Intel 2200 but atheros with bios hacking}} || 2016 Icaros 2.1 || 2004 32bit - 12.1" TFT display with 1024x768 resolution; 256 or 512MB PC2700 memory standard (2GB max) |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X40 X40t by Quanta || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel 800 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel but most atheros with bios hacking - difficult though}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit last IBM design |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X41 (IBM) MT 1864 1865 2525 2526 2527 2528 x41t (Lenovo) MT 1866 1867 || <!--Chipset-->Intel with single core 1.5 1.6 and tablet 1.2GHz || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 915GML 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751M tg3}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel or MiniPCI Wi-Fi Atheros AR5BMB FRU 39T0081 but ordinary atheros 54meg needs risky bios hacking}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit - amongst first Lenovo design - 3pin cmos - |- | <!--Name-->R52 (most 18xx) || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 915GML 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->R52 1846, 1847, 1848, 1849, 1850, 1870 || <!--Chipset-->ATi 200m || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{No|ATI}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751M tg3}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad T60 T60P * 64bit - 6 or 8 is 16:10 on T60/p, eg. 8742-CTO 15.4" * 32bit - 1 and 2 are 14", 15" 4:3, like 2007-YM3 or 1952-CTO || <!--Chipset-->*any* T60/p will take a Core 2 Duo CPU with newer BIOS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA (2D) with "p" graphics card (ATi V5200 or V5250) || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|e1000e 82573L}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel ipw3945 ABG but atheros with Middleton's or Zender BIOS hacking risky}} || Icaros 1.4 || <!--Comments-->2006 - |- | <!--Name-->X60 x60s x60t tablet || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AD1981 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 3945 ABG or fru 39T5578 Atheros 5K AR5BXB6 ar5007eg with bios hacking}} || <!--Comments-->Icaros 1.4 || 2006 32bit - perhaps needs a zendered bios update but risky |- | <!--Name-->R60 R60e || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 950 with optional radeon x1300 x1400 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with 1981HD codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel or Broadcom || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel 3945 or atheros fru 39T5578 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | Thinkpad T61 T61p without Middleton's or Zender BIOS || Core 2 Duo CPU T7300 T8300 || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || Intel GMA (2D), NVS 140m or Quadro FX 570M () || {{maybe|HD Audio with Analog Devices AD1984 or AD1984A HD Audio Codec routed to the line output}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|intel e1000e 82573L}} || {{No|Intel but atheros with bios hacking risky}} || Icaros 1.6, AROS One || 2007 64bit |- | <!--Name-->X61 x61s X61T Tablet || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo T8100 on i965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 3100 (2D) slow 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AD1984 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566DM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|Atheros AR5212 (some revisions use Intel WLAN runs very hot) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit ultrabook running very hot - ddr2 max 4gb - 3pin cmos - |- | <!--Name-->R61 R61i || <!--Chipset-->Intel 965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 965 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5787M || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit |- | Lenovo 3000 N200 || <!--Chipset-->Santa Rosa || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || {{yes|Geforce 7300 (2D)}} || {{yes|ALC262 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|Broadcom}} || {{no|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || Icaros 1.4 || 2007 64bit 3D graphics parts are supported but buggy. |- | Lenovo 3000 N200 / V200 || GM965 ICH9-M with Intel Mobile Core 2 Duo T5450 || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || {{yes|X3100 (2D)}} || {{Maybe|HD Audio ALC269VB or CX20549}} || {{yes| }} || {{no|BCM5906M}} || {{no|Intel 3965 / 4965AGN bios locked}} || Icaros 1.4.1 2.1 || 2007 64bits of laptop works |- | <!--Name-->X300 || <!--Chipset-->Core 2 Duo Merom SL7100 1.2GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1.8 inch || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel X3100}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio AD1984A || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 4965 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 13.3" TFT 1440x900 (WXGA+) with LED backlight |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge 11″ AMD K325 || <!--Chipset-->M880G || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA for ATI HD4200}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|8192CE (Realtek 8176) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 little support |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X301 || <!--Chipset-->Core 2 Duo Penryn SU9400 Su9600 with GM45 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1.8 inch micro SATA (uSATA) || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel X4500}} || <!--Audio-->AD1984A || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 5xxx WiFi link 5100, 5150, 5300 and 5350 (WiMAX) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 WXGA+ (1440×900) LED backlight display - 2774 or 4057 Alps and 2776 Synaptics touchpad - optical bay interface is Legacy IDE (PATA) - Addonics ADMS18SA, Lycom ST-170m |- | <!--Name-->X100e || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Neo Single-Core (MV-40) and dual cores || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|2.5in tray in ide mode in bios}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa ATI HD3200}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with CX20582 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek r8192se bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 11.6in 1366 x 768 - 20v 65W round barrel - enter f1 setup f11 diagnostics f12 boot list - runs very warm - |- | <!--Name-->SL400 SL500 || Intel || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|IDE mode}} || {{Maybe|Nvidia 9400M}} || {{Maybe|ALC269}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{Maybe|RTL8169}} || {{Maybe| bios locked}} || || |- | <!--Name-->SL410 SL510 || 965 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE mode}} || {{maybe|Intel GMA X4500M (some 2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio with ALC269 codec - speaker and ear phones}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{yes|RTL8169}} || {{Maybe| bios locked}} || [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=645774&postcount=28 Icaros 1.3] || 2009 64bit SL-410 |- | <!--Name-->T400 ODM Wistron || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel 4500MHD works limited 2d no 3d - optional switchable Nvidia or ATi HD3470 untested}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Codec CX20561 (T400)}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Wifi Link 5100 (AGN) half height card with FRU 43Y6493 or 5300 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 20v lenovo plug - non-free firmware required iwlwifi |- | <!--Name-->T400s || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VSEA for Intel 4500MHD works limited 2d no 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with CX20585}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Wifi Link 5100 (AGN) half height card with FRU 43Y6493 or 5300 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit non-free firmware required iwlwifi |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo T500 T510 || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA for switchable Intel / AMD HD 3640}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|Intel HD Audio with a CX20561 (t500) and CX20585 (T510) codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or Lenovo branded unit Atheros AR5007EG AR5BHB63 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit |- | <!--Name-->X200 ODM Wistron [http://itgen.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/installing-arch-linux-on-lenovo.html X200s] and x200t tablet model without [http://fsfe.soup.io/post/590865884/the-unconventionals-blog-English-Flashing-Libreboot-on Risky flash of the Libreboot BIOS] || <!--Chipset-->GM45 GS45 with slow Celeron, SU or faster SL Core 2 Duos CPUs || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe||Intel GMA 4500 MHD 2D but slow software 3D tunnel 10 gearbox 8 tests}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel HD Audio with Conexant CX20561 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{{Yes|USB 2.0 USB SD card reads and writes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82567LM Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel Pro 5100 5150 5300 5350 AGN due to whitelist prevention bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.1 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 12.1" CCFL (webcam version) or LED backlit (no webcam). no support for 54mm express cards or Authentec 2810 fingerprint reader - thinkpoint only no trackpad - 3pin cmos - |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo T410 T410s T410si || <!--Chipset-->qm57 with i5 m || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use vesa Intel 5700MHD (Ironlake) core processor igp with optional Nvidia Quadro NVS 3100M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio Conexant CX20585 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82577lm gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel n 6200 or Atheros AR9280 AR5BHB92 half size minipcie bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 xmas || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit battery life much lower with Nvidia graphics version - no support firewire ricoh r5c832 - ricoh sd card - series 5 3400 |- | <!--Name-->X201 X201s x201t || <!--Chipset-->QM57 Core i3 370m, i5 M520 2.4GHz or i7 620LM 2.0GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|vesa 2d on Intel GMA HD}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel HD with [https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=94.0 Conexant 20585] codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 X201 arrandale power consumption limits battery life to 3-4 hours for 48Whr though to 6 on 72Whr - 12.5" WXGA - 3pin cmos - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad B470, B570, V370, V470, V570 || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core™ i5 i5-2430M, i5-2450M, || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d for Intel || <!--Audio-->HDaudio 0x8086, 0x1c20 with codec || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|whitelisted}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p - |- | <!--Name-->T420 type 4180 4236, t420s , T520 4239 L520 || <!--Chipset-->i5 2540, 2520 or i7 2860QM 2620 has sse4.1 avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS but not AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 136 x 768 - Intel HD 3000 with optional NVS 4200M Nvidia optimus or Radeon HD 565v }} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback ear phones only with Conexant CX20672 codec - AHI 6.27}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO 1000 82579LM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 1x1, Intel Ultimate-N 6205 6250 2x2 6300 3x3 all bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2.2 add noacpi to grub boot options || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - screen 1600x900 or 1366x768 - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots max 16gb - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad W520 || <!--Chipset--> has sse4.1 avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Intel HD 3000 with nvidia quadro 1000m 2000m optimus issues with Nvidia Intel hybrids}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel Hd with CX 20585 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579 Lm}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6000s}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - 15.6" TFT display with 1366x768 (HD), 1600x900 (HD+) or 1920x1080 (FHD) resolution with LED backlight |- | <!--Name-->X220 x220t || <!--Chipset-->QM67 express, dual i5 2520M or i7 dual 2620M sse4.1 avx support || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS but not AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D 1024 x 768 for Intel HD Graphics 3000}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel HD playback with Conexant 20672 codec ear phones and speaker - AHI 6.27 6.34}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579LM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 Wi-Fi bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3, Aros One USB 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit possible - uses slimmer 7 mm storage sata devices - NEC USB 3.0 on i7's - unwanted trackpad gestures when palms rests on it - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots - external battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X120e, x121e Quanta FL8A DAFL8AMB8D0 Rev D || <!--Chipset-->Hudson M1 with slow AMD E350 has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA ATI 0x9802}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ATI SBx00 Azalia HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->USB 2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8169 RTL8111 || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom 0x0576 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit 11.6 inch screen - 1 inch think - chiclet keyboard |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad S205 G575 G585, Edge 11 E325 || <!--Chipset-->Slow E-350 later E-450 with A75 or AMD Athlon II Neo has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA HD6310}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - removeable and plug in battery - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad S206 || <!--Chipset-->AMD E300 1.3GHZ Dual has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with CX20672 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|3.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 10/100 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6" and integrated battery - Conexant® |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo x130e or x131e edu || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD E-300 or E-450 has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon HD 6310 or 6320 }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio Realtek ALC269VC / ALC3202 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB 30 and USB 20}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek RTL8111 RTL8168B}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8188CE or Broadcom BCM43228 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - rubber edged bumper for K12 education market - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge E135 E335 || <!--Chipset-->amd dual E-300, E2-1800 or E2-2000 slow atom like A68M FCH has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|SATA 3.0Gb/s 2.5" wide 7mm high}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA radeon 6310 or 7340 vga or hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3202 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 usb3, 1 powered usb2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 8111f}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek WLAN whitelist bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6 inch to 13.3in 1366x768 - Acrylonitrile-Butadiene-Styrene (ABS) plastic case - external battery - 20v 65w lenovo barrel ac - 2 ddr3 sodimm 8Gb max - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkPad Edge E525 E535 LENOVO IDEAPAD Z575 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-3420M A8-3500M later A8-4500M has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD 6620G later 7640G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Conexant codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB2 but not usb3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 matt - 65W 20v lenovo round psu - thick desktop replacement - ThinkPad Edge E520 E520S E525 E530 E545 E535 E530C Laptop Keyboard swap - |- | <!--Name-->T430 t430i T530 || <!--Chipset-->ivy bridge i5 3320 3230m on Intel QM77 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 1366 x 768 for Intel HD 4000 with optional Nvidia 5400M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD with Realtek ALC3202 aka ALC269VC codec playback ear head phones - HDA 6.27}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2 ports and usb2.0 devices thru usb 3.0 ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel e1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel or Atheros AR9285 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit fan noise and chiclet keyboard, synaptics trackpad - HD+ 768p - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X230 x230t || <!--Chipset-->Intel QM67 express i5 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD with ALC269 aka ALC3202}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|I}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 12.2 in 1366 x 768 - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots - external battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad T440 t440s t440p T540 L440 L540 || <!--Chipset-->intel haswell 8 series Core i3 to i7 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA - Intel 4600 or Nvidia}} || <!--Audio-->Intel HD with Realtek ALC3232 alc269 codec or ALC292 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel AC 7260 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 14 and 15" models with glitchy trackpad and no physical buttons - keyboard repair not easy as well as 4 variants of key caps - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X240 x240t ultrabook TN (20AL0081GE), HD IPS display without touch (20AL007NGE) and touch (20AL0076GE) but all 65% sRGB || <!--Chipset-->haswell i7-4600U i5 4200U 4210U 4300U i3-4100U - two batteries, one internal 3cell 45N1110 (45N1111) or 45N1112 (FRU 45N1113) and external 3 / 6cell 45N1126 (FRU 45N1127) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in 7mm sata (torq t7), m.2 2242 in WWAN slot (m and b key NGFF Sata) || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for Intel 4400 for vga or mini-dp}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0x0a0c 0x8086, 0x9c20 with Realtek ALC3232 aka ALC292 0x10ec, 0x0292}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel® 82577LM Gigabit (Hanksville) }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel 7260n I218-V or I218-LM bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 12.2in 1366 x 768 or 1080p - 1 ddr3l sodimm slot - no keyboard spill drainage and at least 2 variants of key caps - lenovo rectangle pwr ac - TPM 1.2 - Bluetooth 4.0 no support - bottom panel with 8 retained screws - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkPad Edge E545 * key cap swap with E440 E531 E540 L440 L450 T431S T440S T440P T540 * Keyboard swap L540 T540p W540 Edge E531 E540 W541 T550 W550S L560 P50S T560 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Socket FS1r2 A6-5350M (2c2t) or A8-4500M, A8-5550M, A10-5750M (4c4t) with A76M FCH has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in 9.5mm - enter UEFI bios with Enter or ESC, config section, sata into compatibility and security, secure boot disabled - mini sata DVD burner PLSD DS8A9SH || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD 7640G, 8450G, 8550G, 8650G ?? Islands}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|VOID for HDAudio 6.34 0x1022, 0x780d with Conexant CX20590 Analog 0x14f1, 0x506e CX20671 codec 0x14f1, 0x5069 or audio over Trinity HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|boots pen drives from yellow usb port but not from blue USB3 ones, issues with AMD usb3 hardware quirks}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 1GbE 8111F}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM43142 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.3 USB works with noacpi added to end of grub2 boot line but not booting on AROS One 64bit 1.1 via usb2 stick or iso burnt to dvd || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 matt - 20v 65w 90w round lenovo plug psu - 2 DDR3 SODIMM slots 16GB Max - external 6 Cell Li-Ion Battery 48Wh l11s6y01 45n1043 - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery in wifi area jp1202 - amd v(tm) virtualization not working - |- |<!--Name-->Y50-70 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 4 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->GTX 860M or GTX 960M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - |- |<!--Name-->AMD platform codes *Beema: ABM, *Carizzo-L: ACL, *Carizzo: ACZ, *Godavari: AGR, *Kaveri: AKV, *Stoney Ridge: ASR, *Stoney Ridge: AST (NB), || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> *Summit Ridge: ASU, *Bristol Ridge-L: ABL, *Bristol Ridge: ABR, *Raven Ridge: ARR, *Picasso: API |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.laptop-schematics.com/db/78/V%20series%20laptops%20(Lenovo)/ V110-14AST (14in) V110-15AST, V110-14ISK V110-15ISK 80TL (15")], || <!--Chipset-->AMD E1-9000, A6-9210 to A9-9410 all dual core and intel 6006u, 6100u, 6200u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 2.5in sata most 7mm some 9.5mm || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R2, R3, R5 or R6 or Intel Gfx}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 14in to 15.6in mostly 768p 220 nits - 20v 45W or 65W lenovo slim rectangle end ac - keyboard swap hard - integrated 24WHr battery - 4gb ddr4 ram soldered and 1 2133Mhz ddr4 slot max 12Gb - abs plastic - |- |<!--Name--> *ThinkPad A275 12in (1 ddr4 1866MHz sodimm) *Thinkpad A475 14in (2 ddr4 1866MHz sodimm) - both internal (main) and external (secondary) battery || <!--Chipset-->A10-8730B A10-9700B 2.500Ghz later A12-8830B A12-9800B all 4c4t (AVX2 on 9000s) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|7mm 2.5in sata with mbr and not gpt, setup in another machine - secure boot disabled, bios startup boot set to legacy then uefi - WWAN slot cannot use M.2 2242 sata with M and B key}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R5 or R7}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 6.34 ahi 0x1022, 0x157a with ALC3268 aka ALC298 codec 0x10ec, 0x0298 - VOID even with QUERY / QUERYD added}} || <!--USB-->{{no|USB3 error on boot suspect AMD usb3 quirk}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8111EPV}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE WLAN whitelist locked cannot swap}} || <!--Test Distro-->{{maybe|AROSOne USB 32bit 1.8 with noacpi noapic noioapic added to grub2 boot line but Aros One 64bit 1.2 USB has krnPanic }} || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit 12 or 14in 768p - 45W or 65w lenovo rectangle ac adapter - F1 enter bios and F12 boot order - 6 retained screws and snap on base - 2100 error message no solution except using only efi/gpt bios option - |- |<!--Name-->320S-15AST, 320S-15ABR, ideapad Slim 1-11AST-05 81VR || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9220e, AMD A6-9225, A9-9425, A10-9600P 7th Gen || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe| Vesa 2D for AMD}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Ideapad S145-14AST S145-15AST 81N3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9225, A9-9425, A10-9600P 7th Gen, AMD A12-9720P Mobo 5B20P11110 NMB341 Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon 8670A 8670M 8690M GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Ideapad V145-14AST V145-15AST, 81mt, Ideapad 310, Ideapad 320-15ABR, Ideapad 330-14AST 330-15AST 330-17AST || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9225, A9-9425 (2c2t), A10-9600P 7th Gen, AMD A12-9720P Mobo 5B20P11110 NMB341 Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in with optional dvd}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon 8670A 8670M 8690M GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3240-va3-cg aka ALC236? codec 0x10de, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 8106E 10/100 only}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 45w 65w slim ac adapter - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo V330-14ARR 81B1, V330-15ARR 81, 330-14ARR 81 330-15ARR 81D2 - battery internal about 30whr || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2200U, 2300U or R5 2500U Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 nvme/sata, optional 2.5in sata but no dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 3, 6 or 8 up to 1Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1002, 0x15de with Realtek® ALC5682I-VD codec 0x10de, 0x or coxenant CX11802 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14" 768p 20mm thick 1.8kg - 20v 2.25a 45w ac round barrel - chiclet keyboard - 4Gb soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm - TPM 2.0 in bios - 4GB soldered - |- |<!--Name-->Ideapad 330s-14ARR, 330s-15ARR, ideapad 330S-14IKB, 330S-15IKB, - battery internal about 30whr || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2200U, 2300U or R5 2500U Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD or Intel 610, 620 up to 1Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14" 20mm thick 1.8kg - 20v 2.25a 45w ac round barrel - chiclet keyboard - 4Gb soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm - TPM 2.0 in bios - 4GB soldered - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge E485 E585 - internal battery only || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2300U R5 2500U R7 2700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|m.2 nvme optional 1 2.5in sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Vega 3, 8 or 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with CX11852 codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p or 1080p - USB-C 20V 2.25A 3.25A avoid knocking charging port as damages easily - 2 ddr4 sodimm slot max 2400Mhz 32GB - TPM 2.0 software - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad A285 - internal and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen PRO 3 2200U 5 2500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|m.2 nvme/sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec aka ALC257 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Mini-Ethernet/Docking}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm - WLAN whitelist no more??}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 12.5in 1080p - avoid usb-c port being lifted/moved whilst in use as damages laptop easily - soldered ram 8gb or 16gb - WWAN whitelist - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad A485 bios setting [https://github.com/PSPReverse/PSPTool AMD PSP Platform Security Processor Key] - internal and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen PRO 5 2500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata port and m.2 nvme port || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec aka ALC 257 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUL}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi - WLAN whitelist no more??}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in 768p, 1080p or 1440p - avoid usb-c port being lifted/moved whilst in use as damages laptop easily - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 32gb - WWAN whitelist - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->[https://www.diy-laptoprepair.com/forum/fix-Lenovo-V155-15-repair-guide-schematics.php Lenovo v155-15api 81V5] V155 (15" AMD) budget all plastic build - MS new protocol, HID over I2C so [https://askubuntu.com/questions/1033033/elantech-touchpad-does-not-work-i2c-hid i2c] [https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/drivers/input/mouse/elantech.c?h=v6.17 i2c] [https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.16/input/devices/elantech.html PS2 hybrid trackpad] [https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/dev/atkbdc/psm.c?h=releng/14.3 elantech] [https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/dev/pckbc/?only_with_tag=OPENBSD_7_8_BASE i2c-hid] 04F3:3140 touchpad not working - internal sunwoda battery L18D3PF1, L18L3PF1, L18C3PF2 35Whr most dead after 5 years || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' Ryzen 5 3500U and Ryzen 3 3200U - '''untested''' AMD Athlon 300U with bios winbond 25q64fwsiq soic 1.8v bios near nvme || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 M.2 nvme and usually 2.5in 7mm sata - install on mbr not gpt 2.5in in another compatible machine - mini sata dvd/cd da-8aesh11b will boot cd or dvd aros || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D to 1080p work for Vega 3 or 8 with up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken but hdmi 1.4b no output}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio add 0x1022, 0x15E3 with ALC3287 aka Realtek ALC257 codec 0x10ec, 0x0257 with 32bit on external speaker and most of the time works on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 USB3.0, on left hand side, detected but no usb-c ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS works well with 32bit and 64bit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 AROS One 2.8 DVD 32bit and AROS One x64 1.1 and 1.2 iso DVD burnt || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p 200nits tn panel - 4Gb ddr4 2400MHz soldered with 1 dimm slot max 20Gb - round ac 20V 65W psu 4.0mm x 1.7mm - Fn+F2 to enter bios and F12 boot order - no sd card slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - |- |<!--Name-->V15-ADA 82C700E4UK- elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD r5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 with up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with R155189 ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 3500U with Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - noisy fan - |- |<!--Name-->V15-ADA 82C7 - elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U, 3250U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD + 1x M.2 SSD NVme near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 with up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with RTS5119 R155119 ALC230 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3.0, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit 2.8 and 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - for this mbd bios ram disable doesn't work - noisy fan - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo V14-ADA 82C6, - elan touchpad not working - if blank black display, bios bug going from uefi->legacy so reset bios rhs push in with pin, then Down, ent, Right x3, ent, up, ent, right, ent x2 - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' 3250U - '''untested''' AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U - for this mbd GV451&GV551 NM-D151 bios ram disable doesn't work || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD if cbl + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3 up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with Realtek ALC3223 RTS5119 R185199 aka ALC230 codec 0x10ec, 0x0230 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 AMD 3250U with Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - F2 bios F12 select - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad 1 14ADA5 (low spec cpus) ideaPad 3 14ADA05, IdeaPad 3 15ADA05 81W100QVUK, IdeaPad 3 17ADA05 - elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U, 3250U, Ryzen 5 3500U on mobo NM-C821 REV 0.2 1.0 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD if cbl + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with ALC230 codec 0x10ec, 0x0230 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - F2 bios F12 boot select - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo IdeaPad L340-15API 81LW001CUS L340-17API - elan trackpad not functioning - internal battery L18M3PF2 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon 300U, Ryzen 3 3200U r5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 M.2 nvme and usually 2.5in sata if ribbon cable present - mini sata dvd/cd da-8aesh11b || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3 or 8 with up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken - hdmi 1.4b}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio add 0x1022, 0x15E3 with Realtek ALC236 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 not detected}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.8 USB - install on mbr not gpt 2.5in in another compatible machine || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p 200nits - 4Gb ddr4 2400MHz soldered with 1 dimm slot max 20Gb - round ac 20V 65W psu 4.0mm x 1.7mm - Return or F1 to enter bios and F12 boot order - no sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->[https://www.laptop-schematics.com/db/78/T%20series%20laptops%20(ThinkPad)/ ThinkPad T295 T495] || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3300U, R5 Pro 3500U or R7 3700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe up to 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 6, 8 or 10 up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111EPV}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE or Intel AC 9260}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14in 768p but mostly FHD 1080p 250 nits - internal battery - ram 8gb or 16gb 2400Mhz soldered with 1 ddr4 slot on T495 only - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging avoid knock whilst in use - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T495s (14in) X395 (13in) || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3300U, R5 Pro 3500U or R7 3700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe up to 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 6, 8 or 10 up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{unk| needs Lenovo ThinkPad Ethernet Adapter Gen 2 SC10P42352 or SC10P42354}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE or Intel AC 9260 wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 13in or 14in 768p but mostly FHD 1080p 250 nits - internal battery - ram 8gb or 16gb 2400Mhz soldered - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging avoid knock whilst in use - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 Gen2, E15 Gen 2 (AMD) 20T8, - lenovo has a mobile phone PC Diagnostic App for error/beep codes || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, 5 4500U, 7 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2 m.2 nvme, 1 2242 and 1 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6in 1080p 220 nits - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging of internal 45Whr battery - 4gb ddr4 3200Mhz soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm slot max 20Gb - keyboard swap problematic - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkPad T14 Gen 1, ThinkPad P14s Gen 1 (AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300u, 5 4500U, Ryzen 5 Pro 4650U, Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - USB-C charging avoid moving whilst in use - 14" or 15" 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 8gb or 16gb 3200MHz soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad L14 Gen 1, L15 Gen 1, || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300u, 5 4500U, Ryzen 5 Pro 4650U, Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - USB-C charger avoid moving whilst in use - 14" or 15" 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 8gb or 16gb 3200MHz soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkPad X13 Gen1 AMD, || <!--Chipset-->AMD RYZEN 3 4450U, 5 4650U or 7 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->One drive, up to 512GB M.2 2242 SSD or 1TB M.2 2280 SSD NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| but USB-C ports can fail}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek RTL8111EPV, mini RJ-45 to RJ-45 via optional ThinkPad Ethernet Extension Adapter Gen 2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek Wi-Fi 6 RTL8852AE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 13.3" HD 1366x768 to 1080p - USB-C port care needed as damages easily - Memory soldered to systemboard, no slots, dual-channel DDR4-3200 - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkBook 14 G2, 15 G2 Are || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 4500u, 7 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->14in has 2 m.2 nvme but 15in has 1 nvme and might have 2.5in sata metal caddy if smaller battery version || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC???? codec 0x10EC, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14in or 15in 1080p - usb-c charging but high failure rate on the charging port - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot 3200mhz - hinge(s) issues - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad 5 14ARE05 (81YM), Ideapad 5 15ARE05 (), IdeaPad 3 17ARE05 (model 81W5) - elan touchpad MSFT0004:00 06CB:CD98 not working || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' 4500u - '''untested''' AMD 3 4300U (4c4t), 4600U (6c12t), 7 4700u (8c16t) on AMD Promontory Bixby FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1x M.2 2242 slot and 1x M.2 2280 NVMe which will take sata m.2 will boot to grub then laptop reset after choice}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 6 via hdmi output up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 6.36 0x1637 0x15e3 with Realtek ALC3287 aka ALC257 codec 0x10ec 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 or 3.2 gen 1}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel ax200 wifi 6}} || <!--Test Distro-->4500u with AROS One 64bit 1.2 usb installed to m.2 sata on another machine || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 14inch 768p or 1080p - round lenovo ac - 4gb, 8gb, or 16gb ddr4 3200Mhz ram soldered with 1 slot - keyboard swap problematic - integrated battery - |- |<!--Name-->Ideapad Flex 5 81X2, Lenovo Yoga 6 13ALC6 || <!--Chipset-->AMD R5 4500u, R7 4800U, R3 5300 R5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 NVMe ssd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Vega up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC? codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3.1 gen 1}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek ac wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit abs plastic case 14in convertible 1080p touch low nits - 65w usb-c psu ac - possible wacom esr note taking pen supplied - ram soldered DDR4 - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 2, P14s Gen 2 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3287-CG codec 0x10EC, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 - usb-c power 90% failure rate on the charging port - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkBook 14 G3, 15 G3 ACL, || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14in or 15in 1080p - usb-c charging powered - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 G3, E15 Gen 3 (AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5300U 5500U 5650U 5700U 5800U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->up to 2 m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek or intel }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - - usb-c charging issues - keyboard swap problematic - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->V14 Gen 2 (82KA, 82KC) *ALO *ALC 82KD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 5300U, 5 5500U, 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme 2280 and optional 2.5in sata after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 65w round ac adaptor - |- |<!--Name-->V15 G2 Gen2 (82KB, 82KD) *ALO *ALC 82KD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 5300U, 5 5500U, 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme 2280 and optional 2.5in sata after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 65w round ac adaptor - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L15 Gen 2 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5000 series AMD Ryzen 3 5400U (4c8t), 5 5600U, 5 5650U (6c12t), 7 PRO 5850U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p - usb-c charging - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 Gen 4, E15 Gen 4 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 3 5425u, 5 5625U, 7 5825u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 (14") or 2 (15") nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - usb-c charging - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - L19M3PDA 45Whr battery - U24 TPS65994 and QB6 QB5 mosfet issues - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 3 Machine types MT 21AH 21AJ 21CF and 21CG, P14s Gen 3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6850U || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| ALC3287-VA2-CG codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14s Gen 3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6500U || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| ALC3287-VA2-CG codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Ethernet support via optional Lenovo® USB-C® to Ethernet Adapter}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in |- |<!--Name-->V14 G3, V15 G3 Gen3 ALC || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 6500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme and optional 2.5in sata if smaller 38Wh battery and after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15"FHD - battery BYD L20B2PFO - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L15 Gen 3 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6000 series || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Yoga 7 14ARB7 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5, 6600U, 7 6800U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 660M or 680M || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with ALC3306 aka alc287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in 1800p ips 300 nits - usb-c ac charging 71whr integrated battery - sd card slot - digital pen input - 8gb, 6gb or 32gb soldered ddr5 ram - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 4, P14s Gen 4 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen Pro 5 7540U, Ryzen Pro 7 7840U (AI NPU) || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD 740M 780M|| <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1920x1200 - 8gb, 16gb or 32gb lpddr5 soldered - usb-c charging - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 g5, E15 Gen 5 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7000 series Ryzen 5-7530U, 7-7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkbook 14 G6 ABP IRL, ThinkBook 16 G6ABP (21KK001CUK) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7530U 7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 untested}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1200p or 1440p - 100W USB-C AC power adapter - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad Slim 5 Light 14ABR8 Laptop || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 7330U (4c8t) 5 7530U (6c12t) 7 7730U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2 m.2 nvme slot - 1 2242, 1 2280 || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1080p - 8Gb or 16Gb soldered ram - usb-c charging only - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad X13 Gen 4 (13" AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7480U 7040U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 - avoid usb-c port damage - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L14 (Gen4), L15 Gen 4 (15" AMD) || <!--Chipset-->MD Ryzen 5 PRO 7530U, 7480U 7040U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - elan trackpad - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Gen 4 V14 (82YT, 82YV, 83A0, 83A1, 83CC, 83FR, 82YX, 83FG), V15 (82YU, 82YW, 83FS, 82YY, 83CR), V17 (83A2), || <!--Chipset-->AMD AMD Athlon™ Gold 7220U (2c4t), AMD Athlon™ Silver 7120U (2c2t), AMD Ryzen™ 3 7320U (4c8t), AMD Ryzen™ 5 7520U (4c8t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme and 2.5in sata if smaller 38Wh battery, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for AMD 610M HDMI® and USB-C}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Gigabit Ethernet, 1x RJ-45}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|wifi 6}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 8 or 16Gb soldered - 65W round tip (3-pin) AC adapter or USB-C - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad e14 G6, e15 Gen 6 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7000 series AMD Ryzen™ 7 7735HS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L16 (16" AMD), || <!--Chipset-->AMD 8000 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB4}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 5, P14s Gen 5 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 8840U, AMD Ryzen™ 5 PRO 8540U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVME || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 14inch 1920 x 1200 - |- |<!--Name--> Lenovo WinBook 300e SKU: 82GKS00000 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 3015E || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit 4GB 64GB SSD 11.6 Inch Touchscreen Windows 10 Pro Laptop |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Yoga Slim 7a || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen AI 7350 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 860M || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with ALC3306 aka alc287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 14in 1800p ips 300 nits - usb-c ac charging 71whr integrated battery - sd card slot - digital pen input - 8gb, 6gb or 32gb soldered ddr5 ram - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Samsung==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="2%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->NP-Q1 Q1 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron-M 353 ULV 600Mhz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1.8" SFF HDD 20 / 60 GB }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 915 2D and 3D opengl1 tunnel 95 gearbox 68}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec - head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Yes|Atheros 5006EX}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit old style tablet UltraMobile PC UMPC - Wacom serial resistive pen or finger no support - 1 sodimm ddr2 max 1Gb - LCD 7" WVGA (800 x 480) - CompactFlash port Type II - |- | <!--Name-->NP Q1U Ultra Mobile PC UMPC Q1F NP-Q1-F000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel A100 600 / A110 Stealey 800 MHz CPU || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|GMA 950 2D and 3D opengl1}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio 1986}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros 5006EX}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit 1024×600 - sd card slot - |- | <!--Name-->NP P500 family P500Y || <!--Chipset-->AMD with SB600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Ati x1250}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| Audio with codec }} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8039 yukon}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|Atheros G}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->64bit possible - 15.4 tft display - cheap plastic okay build - 19v propriety end - |- | <!--Name-->R505 R510 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros G || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->R520 R522 R610H R620 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Mobile Core i3 Intel PM45 82801M ICH9-M|| <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650 (RV730) || <!--Audio-->Intel HD Audio with Realtek ALC272 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Marvell Yukon 88E8057 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR5007EG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 64 bit possible |- | NP-R530 || || {{N/A}} || {{partial|IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{partial|HD Audio playback}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{no|Marvell}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || Icaros 1.5.2 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Samsung R730 17.3 Essential Notebook NP-R730-JA02UK, NP-R730-JA01SE, R730-JT06 || <!--Chipset-->Intel HM55 Dual Core T4300 i3-370M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for Intel 4500MHD and GeForce G 310M with 1 VGA, 1 HDMI}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio ALC??? codec Realtek}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell Yukon 88E8059 PCI-E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Broadcom, Intel or Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods ISO 2023-11 || <!--Comments-->2010 64bit - 17.3in HD 1280 x 720 pixels low contrast or some 1600x900 - 2 DDR3 sodimm slots - 2.84 kg 6.26 lbs - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Samsung-305U1A-A01DE-Subnotebook.68246.0.html Series 3 Samsung 305u1a] || <!--Chipset-->AMD Zacate E350 or E450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 6320 || <!--Audio-->ALC ACL 269 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 8169 || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4313 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit |- | <!--Name-->NP-RV415 NP-RV515 || <!--Chipset-->E350 or E450 plus A50M chipset || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD 6470 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|RTL8169 Realtek RTL8111 8168B}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit slow - |- | <!--Name-->Series 5 NP535U3C || <!--Chipset-->A6-4455M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->radeon || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit slow - 13.3in 1368 x 768 - plastic build - 65w 19v psu - |- | <!--Name-->series 3 NP355V5C || <!--Chipset-->A6-4400M, A8-4500M, A10-4600M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->7640M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit - 15.4in 1368 x 768 - plastic build - 65w 19v psu - |- | <!--Name-->Samsung ATIV Book 9 Lite NP905S3G || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-1450 quad 1GHz Temash atom like || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->128gb || <!--Gfx-->AMD 8250 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek rtl8169 but only with mini LAN AA-AE2N12B Ethernet Adapter RJ45 dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 13.3 TN glossy 1366 x 768 200nits 60% srgb - plastic case - 26W battery built in with 4hr life - 19V 2.1A 3.0*1.0mm psu - 1 ddr3l slot max 4gb - 720p webcam - mini hdmi out - 1w speakers - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Toshiba==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of Build Quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Equium Satellite (Pro) Libretto Portege Tecra </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Tecra 8100 8200 9000 || 440BX || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|S3 Savage MX 3D (VESA only)}} || {{no|Yamaha DS-XG ymf744 ymf-754}} || {{yes|USB1.1 only}} || {{N/A}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.5 || little support |- | <!--Name-->Tecra 9100 || <!--Chipset-->810 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|S3 Savage IX}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ymf754}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->eeee pro100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->PSU Adapter For Toshiba Tecra 9000 9100 A1 A10 A11 A3 A3X A4 A5 A7 M1 M2 M3 M4 M5 M7 M9 R10 S1 series 75 Watt 15V 5A |- | [http://tuxmobil.org/toshiba_sp4600.html Satellite Pro 4600] || i810 || IDE || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Trident Cyber Blade XP (VESA only)}} || {{no|YAMAHA DS-XG AC97 ymf754}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel e100}} || {{no|Agere (internal PCMCIA)}} || || little support |- | Satellite 2805 S603 || Intel 815 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|nVidia GeForce2 Go}} || {{no|Yamaha Corp YMF 754}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} || {{dunno}} || || little support |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A10 S167 S1291 - A15 A20 A25 || <!--Chipset-->P4M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GM or Radeon || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel 2100, Agere or Atheros PA3399U 1MPC minipci}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->a few models came with antenna leads |- | Satellite [http://eu.computers.toshiba-europe.com/innovation/jsp/SUPPORTSECTION/discontinuedProductPage.do?service=EU&com.broadvision.session.new=Yes&PRODUCT_ID=76230 A30-714] || P4-M / 82845 i845 || {{yes|82801}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes}} || {{yes|RTL8139}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || nice laptop, drawbacks: heavy, really hot (P4-3.06 GHz!!) - A30 (EU) A33 (Australian) A35 (USA) - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A40 A45 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini pci || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - A40 S161 A40-S1611 A40-2701, A45-S120 A45-S1201 S130 S1301 S1501 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite a50 A55 a60-s156 Equium A60 PSA67E A65 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini-pci || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A70 A75-S206 A80 A85-S107 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron-M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini-pci || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.1 || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - |- | Toshiba Satellite Pro M30 || intel 855 || {{yes|boots with ATA=nodma option}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{yes|Intel PRO/100 VE}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.5 || nice laptop with some support |- | <!--Name-->Portege M300 - M200 tablet || <!--Chipset-->855GM with 1.2GHz Pentium M 753 || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d only - tablet with nvidia 5200 go}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->little support |- | <!--Name-->Tecra M2 M2-S || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855P Pentium-M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->nvidia fx go5200 32mb or 64mb agp || <!--Audio-->AC97 1981B || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Intel Pro || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - PSU 15V 5A - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro L20 267 (PSL2YE PSL2XE) PSL25E L30 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron M 370 1.4 1.5GHz, 1.73Ghz with RC410M SB400 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Ati x200}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|[https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-490297-start-0.html ALC861]}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Boots usb sticks}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8139 Realtek 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros mini-pci should work maybe not working with ATi chipset or need to swap??}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit 14" pioneer dvd-rw - 19v |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L30 PSL30E L33 PSL33E || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 800 or ATi RC410 x200 || <!--Audio-->AC97 AD1981B or HD Audio ALC861 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->L30 PSL30L 101 PSL33E 113 115 134 00M019 - |- | Satellite Pro M40 313 psm44e || AMD with Ati || {{yes|boots with ATA=nodma}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{yes|}} || {{maybe|atheros askey ar5bmb5 mini pci}} || || 2005 32bit - nice laptop with some support |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L40 PSL40E PSL40L, PSL43E || <!--Chipset-->945GM with U7700 1.3GHz ULV || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->{{No|Intel HD with AD1986A codec}} || <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR24xx Askey || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.3 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit only - - 12X 13G 139 14B 143 15J 19O - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L45 PSL40U S7409 S2416 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with Celeron M 440 1.86 GHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->{{No|Intel HD with AD1986A codec}} || <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR24xx Askey || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.3 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit only - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A100 || <!--Chipset-->940G || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia G72M Quadro NVS 110M GeForce Go 7300 / Ati (PSAA3E)|| <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC861 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 100 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 swap with atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A110 159 (PSAB0), Equium A110 (PSAB2E), Satellite A110 233 (PSAB6), || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->ALC861 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8136 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A120 PSAC0 PSAC1 PSAC1E || <!--Chipset-->Core Solo GMA 950 to T2300 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 945 || <!--Audio-->ALC262 or AC97 AD1981B || <!--USB-->UHCI EHCI || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros Ar5001 or Intel or Broadcom || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->15V 4A charger - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A120 || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo ATi RS480 + SB450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA - ATI RC410 Radeon Xpress 200M || <!--Audio-->ALC262 || <!--USB-->OCHI UHCI || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 or Atheros Ar5001 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->15v 5a proprietary charger needed |- | <!--Name-->Satelite A130 PSAD6U || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8101E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->ST1311 s1311 ST1312 S2276 S2386 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A135 S2686 (Compal LA 3391P) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8101E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->S2246 S2346 S2256 S4477 S4666 S4827 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A200 PSAE1E (Inventec MW10M) || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M with 945GM Express Celeron M 520 1.6Ghz or Pentium® Core Duo T2130 1.86 GHz || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D)}}|| <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio ALC862}}|| <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|RTL8101E rtl8139}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000 - FN,F5 or FN,F8 or switch}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments-->2006 Excellent 32 bit support! - make sure that your WLAN card is enabled, do this using the hardware switch and FN+F8 key combination |- | <!--Name--> A210, Satellite A215 AMD (Inventec 10A) S5808 || <!--Chipset--> Ati with SB690 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA HD2600 Mobility M76}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC268 || <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8101E}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000}}|| <!--Test Distro-->2018 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments-->A215-S7422 A215-S7472 A215-S4697 (USA) - |- | <!--Name--> [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=62036 A215 S4757] || <!--Chipset--> Ati X1200 with SB600 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8101E}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000}}|| <!--Test Distro-->2017 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Qosmio G30 (PQG31C-HD202E) || <!--Chipset-->945 with Duo T2500 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Nouveau Nvidia Go 7600 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 17" UXGA 1920x1200, |- | <!--Name-->Tecra A10 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|Intel GMA 4500M (2D)}} || <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO 1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel WiFi Link 5100}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->64 bit possible |- | <!--Name-->L35 - L40 PSL48E - L45 S7423 || <!--Chipset-->GL960 with Intel Celeron || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|X3100 some 2D but software 3d tunnel 9 gearbox 4}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC660 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|REALTEK 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8187b replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->1,73Ghz M 520 or M 540 or Dual T2310 (1.46 GHz) T2330 (1.6 GHz) - 14H 14N 15B 17H 17K 17R 17S 18Z - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite a300 - inventec potomac 10s pt10s A300D 21H || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio - Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8102E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5005 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->satellite L300D-224 PSLC8E PSLC9E, l305 (inventec ps10s) || <!--Chipset-->AMD M780 with Turion RM70 or QL-64 || <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} || <!--SATA--> {{yes|SATA}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA for Radeon 3100}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC268}} || <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{no|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros G XB63L or Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros Desktop Live 2.3 AROS One 2.3 || <!--Comments--> Wireless-handler crashing when using Atheros-Wireless-Card |- | <!--Name-->Satellite P300 (PSPC0C-01D01C) || <!--Chipset-->945GM with Intel Core 2 Duo T5750 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Audio-->{{No| codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| swap with Atheros 5k }} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2007 |- | <!--Name-->satellite l300-1bw PSLBDE-005005AR, L300-148 PSLB0E, l300-20D PSLB8E-06Q007EN, l300-294 L300-23L PSLB9E || <!--Chipset-->Intel GM45 + PGA478 socket Celeron 900, Pentium T1600, T2390, T3400 (Socket P) to Core2 Duo T6400 T6670 || <!--IDE--> {{unk|IDE}} || <!--SATA--> {{unk|SATA}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA for Intel gma 4500M}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC???}} || <!--USB--> {{unk|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{unk|rtl8169 Realtek 810xE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64-bit - new unfamiliar Bios called insyde H20 - |- | <!--Name-->satellite l350d || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon (tm) X2 QL-60 + RS780M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 3100 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->Realtek 8187b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L450 12 13 14 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron, 2.1GHz with AMD RS780M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 3200 (based on HD 2400) || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->Realtek 8172 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 12X 13P 13X 14V PSLY6E00C006EN |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro L450 (Compal LA-5821P) 179 || <!--Chipset-->intel celeron 900 2.20 Ghz no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 4500m || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8101 /2 /6E PCI Express Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->RTL8191 SEvB || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 39.6cm (15.6”) Toshiba TruBrite® HD TFT 16:9 768p |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Toshiba Satellite P775, P775-S7320 and P775-10K || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5 (2nd Gen) 2430M i7-2630QM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2D for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 17.3" - 1600 x 900 (HD+) - 2 DDR3 sodimm max 16Gb - |- |<!--Name-->Toshiba Satellite C660D-19X || <!--Chipset-->AMD E-300 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for ATi}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio with Realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|r8169 rtl8101e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8188 8192ce rtl8192ce}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->L755D (E-350) L750D (E-450) || <!--Chipset-->AMD E350 E450 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 6310 6320 || <!--Audio-->HDAudio conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro SP C640 C660D-15X (PSC1YE) C670D- () || <!--Chipset-->AMD E350 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->6310G || <!--Audio-->HD Realtek ALC259 || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->C70D-A C75D-A || <!--Chipset-->E1-1200 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|AMD HD8330}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HA Audio CX20751 11Z}} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8162 alx}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8188e}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |} ====Misc==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Time 500 Packard Bell EasyOne 1450 1550 || <!--Chipset-->K6-3 500Mhz + VIA MVP4 vt82c686a || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|Issues}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA AC97 3058 with wolfson codec WM9703 WM9704 WM9707 WM9708 or WM9717}} || <!--USB-->via 3038 2 ports USB 1.1 untested || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro-->NB May 2013 || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit grub runs but stalls around [PCI] Everything OK |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX201/FX202 FX210/FX215 FX401/FX402 FX404/FX405 972M, FX501/FX502 FX504/FX505 || <!--Chipset-->VIA KT133A KM133 Duron 800Mhz Athlon 1.3Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{partial|boot issue with 2013 kernel VIA [rev 06]}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage Mobility Pro (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|VIA AC97 686b [rev 50] AD1881A Ear phone and Mic}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Comments-->Nightly 1st March 2013 || <!--Comments-->booting usb pendrive from Plop Boot Loader floppy (no bios USB boot). Can freeze coz hardware issue or a ram slot problem - no support for iLink firewire VT8363/8365 pci - vt82c686b |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX601/FX602, FX604/FX605 FXA53(US), FX701/FX702, FX704/FX705, FX801/FX802 FX804/FX805 || <!--Chipset-->VIA KT133A KM133 Duron 800Mhz Athlon 1.3Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{partial|boot issue with 2013 kernel VIA [rev 06]}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage Mobility Pro (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|VIA AC97 686b [rev 50] AD1881A Ear phone and Mic}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Comments-->Nightly 1st March 2013 || <!--Comments-->booting usb pendrive somes works |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX100 R505LE || <!--Chipset-->Intel i815 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA Intel 82815 CGC || <!--Audio-->Intel ICH AC97 with ADI AD1881A codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel e100 || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->PCG-FX105 FX105K PCG-FX108 FX108K PCG-FX109 FX109K FX200 FX203/FX203K FX205 FX205K FX209 FX209K FX220 [http://juljas.net/linux/vaiofx240/ FX240] FX250 FX270 FX290 FX301 FX302 FX340 FX370 FX390 FX403 FX503 FX950 |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | Sony VAIO VGN X505VP || Pentium M ULV and Intel 855GM || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Intel 855 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || {{N/A}} || || 2004 32bit - 0.38 inches at its thinnest point - first laptop to feature a "chiclet" keyboard resemble Chiclets gum - |- | <!--Name-->Sony Z505LE Z505JE || <!--Chipset-->P3 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->n/a || <!--Gfx-->Rage Mobility M1 AGP mach64 || <!--Audio-->no Yamaha DS-XG PCI YMF744 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 8255x based PCI e100 || <!--Wireless-->n/a || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-18 || <!--Chipset-->Core || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|gma for i915}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 SigmaTel}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|usb2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8139C}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel swap for atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' D02 test || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-29 CF-30 || <!--Chipset-->Core || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA || <!--Audio-->AC97 SigmaTel || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139C || <!--Wireless-->Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->MSI Microstar PR210 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA ATi RS690M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio through speaker / head phones but not hdmi}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8111 8169}} || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR242x AR542x aw-ge780 mini pci-e || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - ENE PCI based SD card with no bios boot option |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Advent 7106 EAA-88 || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M 1.7GHz with 915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D and 3D tunnel 187 gearbox 67}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 Intel ICH6 with Conexant Cx20468 31 codec playback head phones only}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200BG Fn/F2 replaced with atheros mini pci in small base panel - startup errors in wireless manager}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" cheap rubbish sadly - fan noise through audio channel - |- | <!--Name-->Motion Computing LE1600 PC Slate || <!--Chipset-->915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->915 || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 SigmaTel STAC9758 9759 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8169 || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 serial Wacom digitiser not usb |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-51 CF-P1 CF-T5 CF-Y2 || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom || <!--Wireless-->Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio VGN-AR11S || <!--Chipset-->ntel Core Duo T2500 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes| Nvidia Go 7600}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 32bit || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 17" 1920x1200 - blu-ray - |- | Sony Vaio VGN SR29VN || Intel ICH9 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy}} || {{partial|ATI HD 3400 (VESA only)}} || {{partial|HD Audio (too quiet)}} || {{yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} || {{no|Marvell 8040}} || {{no|Intel 5100}} || Icaros 1.5 || 2007 32bit - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Wyse XM Class DELL WYSE Xn0m LAPTOP || <!--Chipset-->AMD T-G56N 1.6 1.65Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->decased 2.5in ssd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d only AMD 6320}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|EHCI 2.0 with NEC uPD720200 USB 3.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek rtl8169 8111E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 93xx}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 1366 x 768 14" - 2 ddr3l slots max 16gb - 19v coax barrel plug psu - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK2 || <!--Chipset-->Core i5-3437U, 1.9GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ToughPad FZ-G1 Mk3 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-4310U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD 4400 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio Codec ALC255 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->[https://wiki.recessim.com/view/Panasonic_Toughpad_FZ-G1_MK4 Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK4] || <!--Chipset-->intel 6300U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel 520 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC256 codec - o/c or s/c fails early || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but options on the right hand side of screen case}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|intel ac 8260}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 10.1in 1600x1200 - 4gb ddr3l soldered - waterproof pen left hand side base - optional slot-in 4g lte and sdhc - 16v 4.06A 64.96W panasonic barrel - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK5 || <!--Chipset-->intel i5-7300U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel 620 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC295 codec - o/c or s/c fails early || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but optional usb2 plugin r.h.s. of screen casing}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 8gb ddr3l soldered - 10.1" WUXGA 1920 x 1200 with LED backlighting screen 2-800 nit - 10-point capacitive multi touch + Waterproof Digitizer pen l.h.s - |- | <!--Name-->ToughPad FZ-M1 || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core TM m5-6Y57 vPro TM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD 4200 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC codec || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 7in 800p - 8gb ddr3l soldered - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Any Razor Razer laptops || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->AVOID unable to remove secure boot |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Netbook=== [[#top|...to the top]] * PC to write Aros image onto an USB pendrive with Raspberry PI writer, USB writer or Rufus for boot purposes on a netbook * SD card sometimes can boot like Dell 2100, EeePC 1001P, ASUS EeePC 900, acer aspire one d150, MSI Wind U100, ====Acer Packard Bell Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width=100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Aspire One AOA110 (A110) (ZG5) || Intel 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D and 3D) tunnel 99 and gearbox 84 score}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || {{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} || {{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8101E}} || {{Yes|AR5006}} atheros 5k || 2016 AspireOS 1.8, 2025 Aros One 2.6 32bit USB || 2007 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel A13-045N2A 19V2.37A 45W 5.5x1.7mm - |- | Aspire One AOA150 (A150) (ZG5) || Intel 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and accelerated 3D with tunnel 99 and gearbox 84.1 result}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || {{Yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8101E}} || {{Yes|AR5006}} atheros 5k || 2016 AspireOS 1.8, 2025 aros one 2.6 32bit USB || 2007 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | Aspire One AOD150 D150 (Compal LA-4781P), AOD110 D110 (ssd) || Intel 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide legacy}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HDAudio with alc272}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{No|Atheros AR8121 AR8113 AR8114 l1e}} || {{Maybe|AR5007EG AR5BXB63 works but Broadcom BCM4312 has no support}} || 2010 Icaros Desktop 1.3, 2024 Aros one 32bit USB || 2008 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | Aspire One (ZG8) || Intel 945G and N270 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and accelerated 3D}} || {{maybe|HD Audio }} || {{Yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{No|Broadcom }} || {{no|Intel}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.8 || 2009 32bit - |- | Aspire One AOD250 D250 emachines em250 || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide legacy}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{Yes|alc272 HD Audio}} || {{Yes}} || {{No|AR8132 (L1c)}} || {{No|BCM4312 or Atheros AR5B95}} || 2010 Icaros 1.3 || 2009 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire AO532H (Compal LA-5651p) 533H Pineview || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|AR8132 (L1c)}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 9k}} || [http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=5968 Tested AspireOS June 2011] || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->emachines eM350 NAV51 || <!--Chipset--> with N450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 3150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 || <!--Comments-->Single core 64bit - 160GB HDD 1GB RAM 10.1" LED backlit screen and Webcam - 3 cell li-ion battery for 3 hours usage - |- | <!--Name-->emachines eM355 || <!--Chipset--> with N455 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->64bit support possible - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One 533 || <!--Chipset-->N455 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D 0x8086 0xa011}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| ALC272 codec ich7}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8152 v1.1 1c}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4313}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 and AROS One 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - f2 setup - 10.1inch 1024 x 768 - |- | Aspire One AOD255 AOD255e AOD260 AOHAPPY (Compal LA-6221P) || N570 and Nm10 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|SATA}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 3150}} || Audio || USB || {{No|Atheros AR8152 V1.1 (1lc)}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313}} || || a little support |- | Aspire One 522 AO522 (Compal LA-7072p) || 1GHz dual C-50 C50 or C-60 C60 + Hudson M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || AMD 6250 (ATI 9804) or 6290 || ATI SB CX20584 HD Audio || USB || Atheros 8152 v2.0 l1c || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313 or Atheros ath9k}} || || |- | <!--Name-->AAOD270 Aspire One D270 || <!--Chipset-->N2600 Cedarview || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D on Intel GMA 3650}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8169 RTL8101E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4313 but swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit atom - ddr2 so-dimm 2gb max - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One AO532G (Compal LA-6091p) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One D257 (Quanta ZE6) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire One 722 AO722 P1VE6 || <!--Chipset-->AMD C-60 C60 with SB900 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| use VESA Ati 6290}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec but no Wrestler HDMI output}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros AR8152 v2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One AO721 (Wistron SJV10-NL) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AO751 AO751H (Quanta ZA3) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .S || <!--Chipset-->N280 + || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|legacy}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}}|| <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC272X || <!--USB--> USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Atheros l1e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros 9k}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .SE || <!--Chipset-->N450 + || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA950 (2D) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC|| <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .S2 NAV50 || <!--Chipset-->N455 NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel X3150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Atheros || <!--Wireless-->Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot M/A || <!--Chipset-->1.2GHz Athlon L110 + RS690E || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy mode? || <!--Gfx-->AMD ATI Radeon Xpress X1270 (VESA only) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ATI SBx00 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E rtl8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Asus Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 700 701 2G 4G 8G Surf || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 900 2D and 3D tunnel 68 gearbox 43 on 701 800x480}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{Yes|Atheros 5k AR5007EG (AR2425 works}} || 2016 Icaros 2.1.1, 2.1.2, Aros One 2.5 32bit USB, || 2007 32bit - power supplies fail due to bad caps issue 9.5V 2.5A 24W Charger AD59930 4.8*1.7MM - |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 701SD || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 900 (2D)}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{No|RTL8187SE swap with Atheros 5k}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.7, || 2007 32bit - boot issues but does boot with ATA=32bit,nopoll or ATA=nodma,nopoll |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 900 || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 900 (2D, 3D in some models)}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{Maybe|depends on chipset AR5007EG (AR2425) works but not RaLink}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.7, || 2008 32bit - boot issues but does boot with ATA=32bit,nopoll or ATA=nodma,nopoll. 900's may need BIOS upgrade to boot usb optical drives. 3D available in some model revisions - AD59230 9.5v 2.31a psu - |- | eeePC 900A || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (3D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{Yes|USB2.0}} || {{No|Atheros L1e [1969 1026]}} || {{Yes|Atheros 5k AR242x}} || Nightly Build 2012, 2023 Aros One 32bit 2.4 || 2009 32bit |- | eeePC 901 1000 || 945GM || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|ALC269 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{No|Atheros L1E (AR8121 AR8113 AR8114)}} || {{No|RaLink Device 2860 swap with Atheros 5k}} || 2011 Icaros 1.4, || 2009 32bit - 12v 3a psu - |- | eeePC Seashell 1000HA 1000HE 1008 1005HA || N280 + Intel GMA950 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{Maybe|Realtek but not Atheros AR8132 (L1c)}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || 2014 Aspire OS 1.6, || 2010 32bit - 12v 3a psu - |- | <!--Name-->eeePC 1001ha || <!--Chipset-->GMA945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC269 HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Attansic Atheros AR8132 l1c}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RaLink RT3090 swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 32bit |- | eeePC 1001P T101MT 1005PX 1005PE 1015PE Pineview 1001PXD || NM10 and N450 N455 CPU || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio}} || {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || {{No|Atheros AR8132 (l1c)}} || {{unk|Atheros AR928x 802.11n}} || 2010 Icaros 1.3.3, || 2011 64bit - 19V 2.1A 2.3x0.7 - |- | EeePC 1015B 1215B || single C-30 C30 or dual C-50 C50 + Hudson M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{partial|AMD 6250 (VESA only)}} || ATI SBx00 HD Audio || USB || {{No|AR8152 v2.0 atl1c}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313 [14e4 4727]}} || untested recently || 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Flare X101CH Cedarview || <!--Chipset-->N2600 + N10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 6300 || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros l1c 2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Flare 1025CE 1225CE || <!--Chipset-->N2800 + N10 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{dunno|Intel GMA 3600}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros l1c 2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Dell Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Inspiron 910 Mini 9 PP39S Vostro A90 || GMA945 || {{Maybe|STEC 8G 16G 32G IDE PATA Parallel ATA miniPCIE SSD 50MM / 70MM very slow}} || {{N/A| }} || {{yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D opengl1}} || {{yes|ALC268 HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB2 boots and works}} || {{yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8102E}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4310 and 4312 swap with atheros 5k bx32}} || ICAROS 1.3 but Icaros 2.3 (pci issues), AROS One 2.6 and Tiny AROS (digiclock startup) mouse cursor vanishes || 2008 32bit - 9inch 1024x600 screen - 1 ddr2 sodimm slot max 2gig - 19v 1.58a - 0 boot disk select - cr2032 battery under laptop base cover, while mem 2GB max under base flap - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron Mini 10 1010 PP19S || <!--Chipset-->Atom Z520 Z530 Intel US15W Poulsbo || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel GMA 500 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or BCM4312}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - 10.10 inch 16:9, 1366 x 768 glossy - 28whr or 56wHr battery options - |- | [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks#Dell%20Mini%2010v%20(Inspiron%201011) Mini 10v 1011] [http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/InspironMini10v ] || Intel 950 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|ide legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|HDAudio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL8102E 8103E}} || {{no|Dell 1397 Wireless}} || untested || 2008 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron Mini 1018 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Atom N455 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D, no VGA output)}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio head phones only - speaker and micro phone do not work}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|RTL8188CE or AR928X}} || <!--Test Distro-->2011 Icaros 1.5.1, || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 1 DDR3 max 2gb - |- | Latitude 2100 || Intel Atom N270 N280 1.60Ghz GMA 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|set to IDE in bios as ahci not working || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D with tunnel 98 and gearbox 84)}} || {{yes|HD Audio with ALC272 codec}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM5764M}} || {{No|Intel 5100 or BCM4322 DW 1510 half height mini pcie use small Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 AspireOS 1.8, Icaros 2.1.1 and AROS One USB 2.4 || 2009 32bit ddr2 sodimm max 2G - [https://sites.google.com/site/arosaspireone/about-aspire-one Webcam and card reader not working] lcd cable over hinge an issue - f12 bios and boot - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 2110 2120 || <!--Chipset-->N470 1.83Ghz, N455 1.6Ghz, N550 1.5Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|ATA mode in bios not ahci}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 3150 2D only}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->2014 Icaros 2.3, || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - ddr2 sodimm |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | HP Mini 2133 || VIA C7-M P4M900 / 8237 VX700 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{maybe|VIA Chrome 9 HC (VESA only)}} || {{no|VT1708/A HD Audio}} || USB || {{no|Broadcom Corp NetXtreme BCM5788}} || {{no|Broadcom Corp BCM4312}} || untested || 2008 32bit - |- | HP mini 1000 Mi 2140 ks145ut || N270 + 945GM || {{N/A}} || SATA || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and opengl1 3d)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio (playback tested)}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{no|Broadcom Corp BCM4312 hard blocked}} || untested || 2009 32Bit - unable to change wifi card |- | <!--Name-->HP Mini 700 702 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + 945GSE || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio IDT 92HD75B (111d:7608, only playback tested)}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom hard locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | Compaq HP Mini 110 110-3112sa || 945GM Express || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio IDT STAC 92xx}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{no|Atheros}} || {{no|Broadcom hard blocked Fn+F12}} || untested || 2009 32bit - unable to change wifi |- | HP Mini 200 210 || 945GM NM10 Express || {{N/A}} || SATA || Intel GMA 950 || {{Maybe|HDAudio with }} || USB || RTL8101E RTL8102E || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard locked}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | HP Mini 311 DM1 (Quanta FP7) || N280 + ION LE || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia Geforce ION || {{maybe|HDAudio with }} || USB || eth || {{No|hard locked}} || untested || 2009 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====Lenovo Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | IdeaPad S9 S9e(3G) S10 S10e(3G) || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|ALC269 or SigmaTel HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Broadcom NetLink BCM5906M}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | IdeaPad S12 || Intel Atom N270 + Nvidia ION LE MCP79 || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia C79 ION [Quadro FX 470M] || {{maybe|ALC269 HD Audio}} || USB || {{no|Broadcom}} || {{no|Intel locked down}} || 2012 Icaros 2.0, || 2009 32bit - does not boot - cause unknown |- | S10-2 || 945GME and N280 CPU || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|ALC269 HD Audio}} || {{yes}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | S10-3 || NM410 and N450 CPU || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || {{maybe|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|Atheros 9285 or Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Samsung Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | [http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=616910&topic_id=33755&forum=28#616910 NC10] || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{partial|SigmaTel HD Audio (playback only)}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{maybe|rtl8169 works but not Marvell 88E8040 sky2}} || {{yes|AR5007EG}} || 2011 Icaros 1.4, || 2009 32bit - Nano silver on keyboard and lcd ribbon cable over hinge issues |- | [http://www.sammywiki.com/wiki/Samsung_NC20 NC20] || VIA VX800 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{maybe|VIA Chrome9 (VESA only)}} || ALC272 GR (VT1708A) HD Audio || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{yes|Atheros AR5001}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | NP-N110 NP-N120 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{yes|ALC272 HD Audio or ALC6628}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{no|Realtek rtl8187}} || untested || 2009 32bit - Namuga 1.3M Webcam none |- | NP-N130 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{yes|SATA in IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 2D and opengl 1.x 99.5 tunnel 99 gearbox}} || {{yes|Intel HD with ALC272 ALC269 codec playback}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL 8169.device - 8101e 8102e}} || {{no|rtl 8192se rtl8187 too small an area to swap for atheros 5k}} || untested || 2009 32bit - 10.x inch 1024 x 600 - Namuga 1.3M Webcam - front slide power on and f2 setup bios - keyboard 17.7mm Pitch is made with Silver Nano (Anti-Bacterial) tech - small touchpad - 1 ddr2 2rx16 sodimm slot 2G max - 44Wh |- | <!--Name-->Go NP-N310 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + 945GME || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|Atheros5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 32bit - N280 version changed specs |- | NP-N510 || N270 euro N280 uk + ION MCP79 || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia C79 ION [Quadro FX 470M] || HD Audio || USB || Marvell 88E8040 || Realtek 8192E || untested || 2010 32bit - does not boot - cause unknown |- | NP-N145 Plus || n450 + NM10 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D, no VGA output)}} || {{yes|Realtek HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || untested || 2010 some support but often the trackpad does not work |- | <!--Name-->NC110 Axx || <!--Chipset-->NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Sata || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC269 codec A9M22Q2 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4313 or Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - |- | NF210 Pineview || n455 or n550 + N10 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{maybe|Intel GMA 3150 (needs retesting, VESA works)}} || {{yes|HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || Wireless || untested || 2011 64bit - some support |- | <!--Name-->NS310 NP-NS310-A03UK || <!--Chipset-->N570 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use Vesa 2d }} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| ich7}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 realtek 810xe }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|bcm4313 }} || <!--Test Distro-->2022 AROS One 2.3, || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom N570 or 1.5 GHz Intel Atom N550 dual core processor, 1 DDR3 sodimm slot memory, a 250GB hard drive, and a 10.1 inch, 1024 x 600 pixel 10.1" W7St - 2300mAh short life - |- | <!--Name-->[https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Samsung_N150 N150] NB30 || <!--Chipset-->MN10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8040}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285 or Realtek 8192E}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 a little support |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.kruedewagen.de/wiki/index.php/Samsung_N220 N210 N220] N230 || <!--Chipset-->N450 + NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit no sse4.1 or avx - |- | <!--Name-->NC110 Pxx Cedarview || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{dunno|Intel GMA 3600}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6000g}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- |} ====Toshiba Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->NB100 || <!--Chipset-->945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|legacy}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC262 HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|AR5001}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini NB200 series NB205 || <!--Chipset-->N280 + GSE945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC272 HD Audio || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini 300 series NB305 || <!--Chipset-->N455 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 3150 (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC272 HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini 500 series NB505 NB520 NB550-10v || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 3150 (2D) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8176 RTL 8188CE}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - |- | [http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Toshiba-NB550D-AMD-Fusion-Netbook.46551.0.html Mini NB550D 10G] 108 (c30) 109 (c50) || C-50 + M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || AMD 6250 (VESA only) || HD Audio || USB || {{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111e}} || {{maybe|Atheros 9k}} || untested || 2011 64bit Realtek SD card reader |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Misc Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="30%" |Comments |- | Cammy's A1600 || GME945 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio playback}} || {{yes}} || {{no|JMC 250/260}} || Wireless || 2010 Icaros 1.2.4, || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Siemens Amilo Mini Ui 3520 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 945 || <!--ACPI--> || <!--SATA-->{{yes}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC269 HD Audio || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|AR5001}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | Guillemot Hercules eCafe EC-900 H60G-IA], Mitac MiStation and Pioneer Computers Dreambook Light U11 IL1 || Intel 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio (playback only)}} || {{yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|RAlink RT2860}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Hannspree Hannsnote SN10E2 24 48 || <!--Chipset-->N450 + NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->IDE legacy mode || <!--Gfx-->Pineview Intel (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC HD Audio || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->Atheros l1c || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2009 32bit - |- | MSI Wind U90/U100 || GME945 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{partial|HD Audio ALC888s (playback only?)}} || {{yes|uhci 1.1 and ehci 2.0}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|RaLink RT2860 RT2700E or rtl8187se (u100x)}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | Advent 4211 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || Intel GMA950 (2D) || ALC HD Audio || USB || rtl8169 || {{no|Intel 3945 ABG}} || untested || 2009 32bit - MSI U100 clone |- | <!--Name-->Hannspree Hannsnote SN10E1 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + GMA945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC HD Audio || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|RaLink RT2860}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit MSI U100 clone |- | <!--Name--> Vaio VGN-P11Z | <!--Chipset--> | <!--IDE--> {{dunno}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Partial|Intel (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Marvell}} | <!--Wireless--> {{unk|Atheros AR928X}} | <!--Test Distro-->2012 Icaros 2.0.3 | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit Rarely boots! |- | <!--Name-->Sony VPC-W11S1E | <!--Chipset-->N280 with 945GSE | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 - hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with realtek codec | <!--USB-->3 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8132}} | <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} | <!--Test Distro-->untested | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - 10.1" 1366 x 768 glossy - 3hr battery life - |- | <!--Name-->Archos 10 Netbook || <!--Chipset-->Atom with ICH7 NM10 945GSE || <!--IDE-->{{No }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->MSI Wind U135 DX MS-N014 || <!--Chipset-->Intel N455 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D only accelerated}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ALC662 rev 1}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|RTL}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR 9K}} || <!--Test Distro-->2015 Icaros 2.1, || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - needs noacpi notls added to grub boot line to start up |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Desktop Systems=== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--May work-->{{Maybe|'''Works a little'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ====Acer==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.acer.com/ac/en/ID/content/support-product/486;-; Veriton X270 VTX270] Intel Core 2 Duo ED7400C or Pentium dual-core UD7600C with 630i | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d Nvidia 7100 VGA and HDMI connections}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| with realtek codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|4 rear and 5 front}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| nForce}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 dvd | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit capable but would not fully boot, DHCP address timeout too short and failed often. Put in a third party NIC, worked - 1 PCI Express x16 slot and a free PCI x1 slot - internal thin long psu with 12pin - |- | <!--Name--> Imedia S1710 with Intel Dual Core E5200 | <!--IDE--> {{Yes|SATA/AHCI}} | <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|Native IDE}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Nvidia nForce 7100}} | <!--Audio--> {{Yes|Nvidia MCP73}} | <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{No|NVIDIA MCP73 Ethernet}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 14-09-2023, AROS One 2.3 | <!--Comments--> 2009 64-bit - Boot over USB not working on front - 2 DDR2 dual channel max 8GB - DEL for entering Bios - F12 for boot menu - Bus weird, could be reason for Ethernet issue |- | <!--Name-->Acer Revo AR1600, R1600 AR3600, R3600, Packard Bell IMAX Mini N3600, ACER Veriton N260G N270G slim nettop subcompact | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Native IDE mode, '''when it works''' boots}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia ION GeForce 9300M - nouveau 3d - '''when it boots''' 400 fps in shell'ed gearbox, 278 in tunnel, 42 in teapot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with alc662 codec but nothing from HDMI audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB boot usb2 stick issues and slower with usb3 drives}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|MCP79 nForce}} | <!--Test Distro-->ArosOne 32bit very often boot stuck around ehciInit, 64bit ... | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 Intel Atom 230 N280 - 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - DEL setup F12 boot options - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - 19v special barrel size 5.5mm/1.7mm psu - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - atheros 5k AR5BXB63 wifi - 3 wire CMOS coin battery - |- | <!--Name-->Revo AR3610 R3610 3610 Atom 330 nettop subcompact dual core | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Native IDE mode, '''when it works''' boots}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia ION GeForce 9400M LE MCP79MX 0x10de 0x087d - nouveau 3d - '''when it boots''' 400 fps in shell'ed gearbox, 278 in tunnel, 42 in teapot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Realtek alc662 rev1 alc662-hd later ALC885 codec but nothing from HDMI audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB with 1% chance slow boot with usb2 sticks, more issues with usb3 drives}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|RTL8211CL MCP79 nForce 0x10de 0x0ab0}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 32bit 1.5, 1.6 and 2.4 usb around ehciInit or Kernel SATA, etc try ATA=off, and 64bit 1.2 USB boot often stuck at device 0x00000000b05228c8 interrrupt by using noacpi noiopica | <!--Comments-->2010 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - non usb hub keyboard - DEL bios setup, F12 BBS POPUP/drive boot - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - 19v barrel psu with smaller inner pin size 5.5mm/1.7mm - replace wifi RT3090 ver c (0x1814 0x3090) with atheros 5k - 3 wire CMOS coin battery - |- | <!--Name-->Revo N281G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 2d for GMA 3100}} | <!--Audio-->HD audio codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX and SSE 4.1 Atom D425 - 19v 65w barrel psu thinner inner pin - 2 DDR3L single channel max 4GB - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - 1lr or 1.5 ltr dvdrw case 209.89 mm, (D) 209.89 mm, (H) 35.35 mm - del enter bios - 3 wire CMOS coin battery - |- | <!--Name-->REVO AR3700 R3700 3700 - ACER Veriton N282G *one long beep with two short - bios damaged *looping one long two short - video card fault *two short beeps - CMOS damaged *got one long and one short beep - board error? | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE ready in Bios * Known issue, boot into bios, set bios to UEFI and reboot, set bios back to defaults and reboot, blank display, repair with reflash of 8 pin Winbond W25Q socketed bios chip with ch341a using P01.B0L or P01.A4 renamed amiboot.rom}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia ION2 GT218 9400M class 0x10de 0x0a64 with vga fine but hdmi fussy over cable and display port used - 32bit nouveau 2d & 3d gearbox 404 tunnel 292 teapot 48 - 64bit not detected}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDA Intel with Realtek ALC662 rev1 codec 0x10ec 0x0662, head phones only but nothing from NVidia HDMI 0x10de 0x000b}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|Intel® NM10 Express (NM10 is basically an ICH7 with a die shrink and IDE removed) USB boots usb, installs usb, accesses ok}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek rtl8111g}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS one 32bit USB 1.5 and 1.6 and ArosOne 64bit usb 1.2 | <!--Comments-->2011 Atom D525 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - early 2 ddr2 sodimm slots but later 2 ddr3 sodimm slots 1Rx8 max 4GB - 19v barrel psu thinner pin - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - cmos 3pin cr2032CL plastic wrapped - del bios f12 boot choice - |- | <!--Name-->Revo 70 (RL70) with or without dvdrw | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->6320 or 6310 | <!--Audio-->HD audio ALC662-VCO-GR codec | <!--USB-->USB2, 1.1 Hudson D1 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD E450 1.65GHz - 19v 65w barrel psu thinner inner pin - 2 DDR3L single channel max 4GB - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - 1lr or 1.5 ltr dvdrw case 209.89 mm, (D) 209.89 mm, (H) 35.35 mm - del enter bios - |- |} ====Asus==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->EEEbox B202 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA950 | <!--Audio-->Intel Azalia HDaudio with Realtek ALC662 or ALC888-GR CODEC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 or JM250 | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros | <!--Comments-->internal 3 types of wifi chipset not supported |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Dell==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> Precision 340 | <!--IDE--> {{yes}} | <!--SATA--> {{n/a}} | <!--Gfx--> {{n/a}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 1.1 (UHCI)}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|3Com}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Dimension 2400 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 82845GL Brookdale G/GE (VESA 640x480 by 16)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Unk|AC97 with ADI codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom 440x 4401}} | <!--Test Distro-->[http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=832495 Icaros 1.4] | <!--Comments-->Graphics chipset is capable of higher resolution. |- | <!--Name-->Dimension 4600 | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{dunno}} | <!--Gfx-->{{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 (use rear black port)}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI/EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.2 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 170L | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex GX260 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | Optiplex GX270 | {{yes|Working}} | {{partial|IDE mode}} | {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | {{yes|Intel AC97}} | {{yes|USB 2.0}} | {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | Icaros 1.5.2 | <!--Comments--> |- | Optiplex GX280 | {{yes|Working}} | {{partial|IDE mode}} | {{maybe|Intel GMA (only VESA tested)}} | {{yes|Intel AC97}} | {{yes|USB 2.0}} | {{no|Broadcom}} | Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex GX520 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{yes|Intel GMA}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|Intel AC97 (no line-out)}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 745 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel GMA (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|HD Audio (no volume control)}} | <!--USB--> {{partial|Only keyboard mouse (legacy mode)}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 755 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel GMA (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.5.1 | <!--Comments--> Around 25 second delay in booting from USB |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 990 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|non-RAID mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel HD (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 360 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|ordinary boot gives VGA mode only - VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio (Analog Devices ID 194a)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aspire Xenon | <!--Comments-->poor support |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse Vx0 (V90 V30), Vx0L (V10L V90L), Vx0LE (V30LE V90LE) from VIA C7 800GHz to Eden 1.2GHz | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for S3 UniChrome Pro}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 VIA VT8233A with ?? codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 back and 1 front USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|early models work but later VT6102-3 do not}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.2 | <!--Comments-->2006 to 2009 32bit - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - 1 sodimm DDR 333MHz SO-DIMM later DDR2 - early V90s do seem to have a reliability problem - |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.poppedinmyhead.com/2021/01/wyse-cx0-thin-client-notes-experiences.html Dell Wyse Cx0] C00LE, C10LE, C30LE, C50LE, C90LE, C90LE7, C90LEW VIA C7 Eden 1GHz | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d VX855 VX875 Chrome 9}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|some VIA VT8237A VT8251 HDA with ?? codec work}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 outside 2 inside USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|VT6120 VT6121 VT6122 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2010 to 2013 32bit - [https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=815.0 boots and works] - 12V 2.5A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - 1 sodimm ddr2 - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Dell RxxL Rx0L Wyse thin client *R00L Cloud PC of Wyse WSM *R10L Wyse Thin OS *R50L Suse Linux Enterprise *R90L Win XP Embedded *R90LW Win Embedded Standard 2009 *R90L7 Win Embedded Standard 7 | <!--IDE-->128Mb IDE or 1GB | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA Hyperdisk}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD 690E RS690M Radeon Xpress 1200 1250 1270 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 usb2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit AMD Sempron™ 210U SMG210UOAX3DVE 1.5GHz SB600, up to 4GB single slot 240-pin DDR2 DIMM, 19v barrel psu, DEL key bios - Late 2012 2 data sockets added but only CN18 be used with two white sockets (CN13 & CN15) can used to power the SATA device "4-pin Micro JST 1.25mm |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 390 sff small form factor - mt mini tower desktop - dt full desktop | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek}} | <!--Test Distro-->aros one 1.6 usb | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit dual i3 2xxx - kettle iec plug psu cable - add nvidia gf218 gfx - error code 3 mobo or cpu - |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 3010 sff small form factor | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom 57XX}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit dual i3 3xxx - kettle iec plug psu cable - |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 7010 sff small form factor | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom or Intel 825xx}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit dual i3 3xxx Q77 - kettle iec plug psu cable - add pci-e ethernet and nvidia gf218 gfx - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5010 thin client ThinOS D class (D10D D00D D00DX, Dx0D), PCoIP (D10DP) or D90D7, 5040 *username: Administrator, admin, [blank] *password: Fireport, DellCCCvdi, rappot, Wyse#123, Administrator, administrator, r@p8p0r+ | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode may need 30cm ext cable as small area for half-slim sata ssd - decased new ssd??}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d 1400x1050 HD6250E IGP by using DVI to hdmi cable and 1 display port, no hdmi port}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD 6.34 audio chipset detected but codec alc269 working from one case speaker - none if v6.29 used}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|most 5010 have 4 USB 2.0 but D90Q7 has 2 USB3 instead}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8168 8169 - rev 1.?? 8111? - rev 1.91 8111E}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit no SSE4.1 or AVX slow AMD G-T44R 1.2Ghz later G-T48E 1.4Ghz Dual Bobcat Brazos BGA413 - Del for BIOS - p key to select boot with noacpi - single DDR3 sodimm slot max 4Gb, (8Gb hynix 2rx8 ddr3l)? (remove small board to upgrade) - passive no fan - 15cm/6" small 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - PA16 19v barrel psu Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 7010 DTS thin client (Z class Zx0D) *2011 Zx0 Z90D7 2GF/2GR *2013 Z10D *2014 Z50D 2GF/2GR *2012 Cisco VXC 6000 CVXC-6215-K9 white | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|Bios set Sata mode to IDE mode and grub boot add 'noacpi' for half slim sata2 ssd or/with 50cm sata ext cable}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d HD6310 HD6320 Terascale 2 through DVI and sometimes DP 1.1a - no hdmi port}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio 6.34 detected but ALC269VB codec works on the one case speaker only}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|2.0 works but NEC 720200 3.0 not working}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111e 8111F}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 and Aros One 32bit 1.5, 1.9 and 2.3 usb and 64bit 1.2 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 slow AMD G-t52R 1.5GHz later G-T56N 1.65 GHz Dual with A50M FCH - 20cm/8" high 1.5ltr larger fanless black plastic case with metal ventilated box inside - 2 desktop DDR3L DIMM slots max 16GB - PA-16 19v external psu Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm - 2 40cm SMA female WiFi Antenna to IPEX IPX u.fl Ufl Cable pigtail needed - does not like uefi boot devices - |- | <!--Name-->Wyse 7020 Thin Client * 2013 Quad-core AMD GX-420CA 2.0 GHz (25W) - * 2018 Zx0Q Quad-core AMD GX-415GA 1.5 GHz (15W) with Quad display 3dp and 1dvi | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata port | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d only for AMD Radeon HD8400E radeonsi (dual display) or AMD Radeon HD 8330E IGP with AMD Radeon E6240 Seymour E6460 (quad display), no hdmi ports}} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 quad eKabini Jaguar cores - two SODIMM sockets layered in centre of mobo DDR3L RAM - Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm ac psu 9mm plug is too short but 14mm length is fine - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse Dx0Q (5020) D90Q8 NJXG4 AMD G-Series | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata port | <!--Gfx-->HD 8330E | <!--Audio--> with Realtek codec | <!--USB-->4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 Quad-core AMD GX-415GA 1.5 GHz - 2 layered near edge of mobo 204-pin DDR3L SODIMM (bottom one tricky to insert) - 19v Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm - passive no fan - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5060 N07D thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE bios mode for sata2 port}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d - AMD R5E GCN2 IGP Sea Islands thru dp1 with an hdmi adapter no output thru dp2 - no hdmi dvi ports}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC231 codec head phones only}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 realtek 8169 8111h}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 1.6 usb | <!--Comments-->2017 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 quad GX-424CC 19.5v external psu - CN-0Y62H1 mobo with 2 layered ddr3l 16Gb max sodimm slots at edge of mobo, bottom 0 one blocking - passive no fan so quiet - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Fujitsu Siemens==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="15%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Scenic [http://uk.ts.fujitsu.com/rl/servicesupport/techsupport/ProfessionalPC/Scenic/ScenicE/ScenicE.htm E600] (compact desktop) | | | {{partial|VESA only}} | {{yes|AC97}} | | {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | {{dunno}} | Nice small, silent PC with good AROS support. |- | Scenic T i845 | {{dunno}} | {{n/a}} | {{n/a}} | {{dunno|Intel AC97}} | {{dunno|UHCI}} | {{dunno|Intel PRO/100}} | Icaros 1.5.2 | AROS does not boot |- | <!--Name-->Futro S200 S210 S220 and later S300 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| compactflash CF card max ??}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 315PRO PCI/AGP }} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 via }} | <!--USB-->{{unk|via uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|via VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 74) }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - TR5670 Rev 1.4 mother with Transmeta TM5800 cpu - pci socket - single SODIMM socket for DDR memory PC2700S max 512MB - |- | <!--Name-->Futro S400 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| but swap with compactflash CF card already with AROS installed}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS741CX }} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 SiS7018}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|sis uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169 }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - AMD Geode NX1500 1GHz gets hot - SiS 963L / SiS 741CX chipset - 12V 4.2A 4-pin (DP-003-R) psu - single SODIMM socket for DDR PC2700S max 1G - large case 246 x 48 x 177cms torx screws - pci socket - |- | <!--Name-->FUJITSU Futro S700 and S900 Thin Client (based on mini-ITX motherboard D3003-A12, D3003-C1 lesser variant of [https://www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/Futro/s900/TechNotes_V3.1_Mini-ITX_D3003-S.pdf D3003-S]) *G-T56N 1.65GHz *G-T40N 1.00GHz *G-T44R 1.20GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata data socket but mSata 18+8pins 1GB-16GB | <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 6320, HD 6250, HD 6290 dvi or displayport (DP runs higher) | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{yes|two USB2 front sockets and four on the rear}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit AMD slow atom-like and fanless - 20V 2A psu 5.5mm/2.1mm coax (S900) - 2 DDR3L SODIMM sockets max 8GB tricky to run 1333 MHz on the Futro S900 - proprietary X2 PCI-e - 1 PCI socket but need a right-angle adaptor - |- | <!--Name-->esprimo p420 e85 desktop case | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->Intel 4600 or old Geforce in pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek alc671 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - 16 pin special psu - |- | <!--Name-->esprimo E420 e85+ SFF case | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->Intel 4600 or low profile pci-e card | <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek alc671 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - 16ish pin special psu - hd under front metal bracket, take front cover off first with 3 tabs - 3 slim pci-e slots - |- | <!--Name-->Futro S520 AMD dual 1.0Ghz codenamed "Steppe Eagle" * GX-210HA @ 1.0GHz * GX-212ZC @ 1.2GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->no sata - 4Gb or 16Gb flash memory soldered to the board | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD 8210E (GX210HA) or AMD Radeon R1E (GX212ZC) | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111e | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - smaller than ITX 160mm x 160mm Fujitsu D3314-A11 - 19V 3.4A PSU standard 5.5mm/2.1mm coax plug - 1 ddr3 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Futro S720 ThinClient D3313-B13 D3313-F *2014 64bit AMD GX-217GA 1.65GHz VFY:S0720P8009FR VFY:S0720P8008DE VFY:S0720P4009GB *2015 64bit AMD GX-222GC 2.20GHz VFY:S0720P702BDE VFY:S0720P702BFR all begin VFY:S0720P and end two digit country code | <!--IDE--> {{N/A|}} | <!--SATA--> {{Yes|up to 2 Sata-cable-connector with space in casing so normal SSD/HDD over Sata was running very well on AHCI and IDE-Mode and 2242 mSata}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA 2D for AMD Radeon HD 8280E IGP ( islands) or later R5E IGP ( islands)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HDAudio ALC671 codec partially working, external audio speaker}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|4 rear USB 2.0 but not front 2 USB 3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB 2.0 | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit supports AVX and SSE 4.1 - 1 ddr3 Sodimm slot max 8Gb - 19V-20V 2A 5.5mm/2.5mm coax - D3313-B13 stripped down Mini-ITX mobo D3313-S1/-S2/-S3 (eKabini) D3313-S4/-S5/-S6 - SATA data socket can be located under the fins of the cpu heatsink is fanless - mPCIe socket for wireless card - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu FUTRO S920 D3313-E D3313-G *2016 AMD GX-222GC SOC 2.20GHz Dual *2017 AMD G-Series GX-415GA (1.50 GHz, Quad Core, 2 MB, AMD Radeon™ HD 8330E) *2017 AMD G-Series GX-424CC 2.40 GHz Quad | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{yes|2242 mSata and 1 Sata-cable-connector with space in casing so normal SSD/HDD over Sata possible}} | <!--Gfx--> {{yes|use VESA 2D for Radeon R5E GCN2/3 IGP}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HDAudio ALC671 codec partially working}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|4 rear USB 2.0, front 2 USB 3.1 downgradable to 2.0 in BIOS setting}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> AROS One USB 2.4 | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 2 so dimm slot with max of 8 GB - 19v barrel psu 5.5mm 2.5mm - SATA data socket can be located under the fins of the heatsink - mPCIe a e keyed socket for wireless card - propetary X2 connector with official raizer to X1 connector - almost silent background noise, not affecting sound quality in any way |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Thin Client Futro S5011 S7011 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3 on 2 dp 1.4}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ALC623 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - AMD Ryzen Dual Core R1305G or R1505G 1ltr case - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - 19v 3.42amp round coax or usb-c 20c 3.25a external psu - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu FUTRO S9011 Thin Client VFY:S9011THU1EIN || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3 on 2 dp 1.4}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ALC623 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit Ryzen Embedded R1606G - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Compaq presario 7360 | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Working}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|AC97 via}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq EP Series 6400/10 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{N/A}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|ISA}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 1.1}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Evo D510 | {{yes|Working}} | {{N/A}} | {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | {{yes|AC97}} | {{yes|Working}} | {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | Icaros 1.5 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq DX2000 MT | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel Extreme 2 (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|detects AC97 but no support for ADI AD1888 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|OHCI/EHCI }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82526EZ e1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.51 | <!--Comments-->boots ok but no audio |- | <!--Name-->Compaq DX 2200 | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200] (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{dunno|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|OHCI/EHCI issues }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments-->issues |- | <!--Name--> d230 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|UDMA}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|Intel AC97 (speaker and headphones only, no line-out)}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.4.5 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion a220n || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|VESA 1024x768 on nVidia GF4 MX with 64MB shared video ram}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC650 AC'97 comp.}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8201BL 10/100 LAN}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.5|| <!--Comments-->2004 32bit athlon xp 2600+ Socket 462 / Socket A - 2 dimm ddr pc2700 - |- | <!--Name-->t500 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|FX5200 (2D; 3D with older driver)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 ICH4 ALC658D}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI/EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8101L 8139}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2012-09-22 | <!--Comments-->2004 |- | <!--Name-->DC7700 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes| ICH8}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|82566DM e1000e}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2013-??-?? | <!--Comments-->2006 Some support at low cost |- | <!--Name-->HP dc 7600 CMT | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ACL 260}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO/1000 GT}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP t5000 thin client series t5500 t5510 t5515 PC538A or PC542A t5700 t5710 Transmeta Crusoe Code Morphing TM 5400 5600 800Mhz | <!--IDE-->128mb to 512MB | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon 7000M | <!--Audio-->VIA with codec | <!--USB-->{{No|Issues}} | <!--Ethernet-->VIA Rhine 2 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - ddr max 1GB - F10 setup - all t51xx and some t55xx units will not include a SODIMM slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP t5000 thin client series CN700 *HSTNC-002L-TC t5135, t5530 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d 128Mb Via S3 32-bit colour | <!--Audio-->AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102 VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit t5135 appears identical to the t5530 except the CPU VIA Esther 400 MHz - RAM 64Mb (? max) - 8 x USB2.0 - 12V 3.33A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name-->HP t5720, t5725 HSTNC-001L-TC | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d SiS741GX 2048 x 1536 32-bit colour | <!--Audio-->AC97 SiS SiS7012 AC'97 | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102 VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 8d) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit AMD Geode NX1500 1GHz socketed - RAM 512MB or 1GB, 256MB, 512MB or 1GB - 12V psu - sis DDMA support - custom 1.13 BIOS - pci low profile - |- | <!--Name-->t5000 series VX800 HSTNC-004-TC t5145, t5540, t5545, t5630 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d VIA Chrome9 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio VIA | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|VT6120 VT6121 VT6122 Gigabit (rev 82)}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit - RAM 64Mb (? max) - 8 x USB2.0 - 12V 4.16A Coax: 5.5mm/2.1mm - |- | <!--Name-->t5730w HSTNC-003-TC t5730 | <!--IDE-->{{n/a|ATA 44pin DOM Flash}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d ATI Radeon X1250 2048 x 1536 no 3D | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{Yes|6 x USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5707M tg3 10/100/1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 64bit AMD Sempron 2100+ 1GHz - 1 slot of ddr2 sodimm (Max 2GB) - 12V 4.16A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - F10 enter bios F12 boot devices - |- | <!--Name-->HSTNC-005-TC gt7720, gt7725 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d AMD RS780G HD 3200 - 2560 x 1600 DVI-D & DVI-H | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->8 x USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5787M}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit AMD Turion Dual Core CPU 2.3GHz - 1 DDR2 200-pin SODIMM - 19V 4.16A Coax 7.4mm/5.0mm (gt7725) - |- | <!--Name-->HP t5740 Thin Client HSTNC-006-TC t5740, t5745, st5742 | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->1 port | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Intel CL40 VGA and DisplayPort connectors}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with IDT codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly build and Icaros | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit Atom N280 - F10 on power up to get into the BIOS screens. F12 brings up the boot options - hp 19V one with a coax connector, outer diameter 4.8mm with inner to be 1.7mm to 1.4mm - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots max 3gb due to 32bit - 1 pci-e slot completely non standard - |- | <!--Name-->t5000 series HSTNC-012-TC VIA Nano u3500 VX900 *t5550 512MB/1GB Windows CE6 R3 *t5565 1GB/1GB HP ThinPro *t5570 2GB/1GB WES 2009 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d VIA ChromotionHD 2.0 GPU Chrome9 | <!--Audio-->VIA 9170 VT1708S codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->32bit - 1 sodimm - 19V 3.42A supply connector standard yellow-tip coax plug 4.8mm/1.8mm "Standard HP Compaq DC Power Plug 4.8mm x 1.5mm / 1.7mm Yellow Tip Connector - |- | <!--Name-->HP t510 Via Eden X2 U4200 HSTNC-012-TC shares features with t5570e, t5565z | <!--IDE-->2G ATA Flash DOM | <!--SATA-->one | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for Chrome9 VIA ChromotionHD 2.0 gfx}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|VIA VT8237A VT8251 HDA with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|6 USB2 }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM57780 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit - one slot ddr3 sodimm max 4GB - 19V 3.42A Coax 4.8mm/1.8mm - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP T610 Thin Client and thicker PLUS version AMD G-T56N A55E | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 6320 1 dp port 1 dvi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->two USB2 on the front, two USB2 and two USB 3 ports on the rear | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 64bit does not support AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 204-pin DDR3 1600MHz SODIMMs PC3-12800 under motherboard via removable panel - 19.5V 3A Coax male 7.4mm/5.0mm + centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP T420 Thin Client *AMD Embedded G-Series GX-209JA SOC (1 GHz, 2 cores) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 8180 dvi vga | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->2 front 2 rear USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - soldered in place 2GB DDR3 - smaller than usual 19.5V 2.31A Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - usb stick internal for storage - E15 BBR - |- | <!--Name-->HP t520 TPC-W016 *AMD GX-212JC 1.2Ghz (2 core) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 m.2 mounting holes for 2242 and 2260 SSDs SATA (not NVME) | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R2E GCN2 IGP Sea Islands | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->2 USB3 front, 4 USB2 back | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 2017 64 bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 1 204-pin DDR3 SODIMM - 19.5V 3.33A 7.4mm Coax with central pin |- | <!--Name-->HP t620 TPC-I004-TC *AMD G-Series GX-217GA 2 core APU 1.65GHz (65W) *AMD GX-415GA (65W) and t620 PLUS (PRO wider version) TPC-I020-TC *AMD GX-420CA SOC (Plus 85W) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|single M.2 2280 socket sata3, mSATA socket removed end of 2014}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d for Radeon HD 8280E graphics 8330E Islands GCN2 IGP - 2 dp ports no dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with Realtek ALC221 codec 0x10EC 0x0221}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|4 front, 2 back, 1 inside limited space}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 32bit | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR3L SODIMMs side by side - mSATA ssd and M.2 SSD are M1.6 screws, M2.0 screws used on most SSDs - 19.5V 3.33A Coax male 7.4mm 5mm with centre pin - changed the network card to a Atheros 5000 compatible - |- | <!--Name-->HP T530 *AMD GX-215JJ (2 core) 1.5GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 m.2 sata ssd up to 2280 | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R2E | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->1 USB3.1, 1 usb-c front, 4 USB2 back | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64 bit does support AVX SSE 4.1 - 1 204-pin DDR4 SODIMM - 19.5V 2.31A Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm with centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP T730 Wider "Thin" Client TPC-I018-TC Pixar RX-427BB (2c4t) - no display and fans blowing full speed caused by '''disabling internal gpu in bios''' flash L43_0116.bin onto smc MX25L6473F (3.3V 8-PIN SOP (200mil) SPI 25xx) ([https://www.badcaps.net/forum/troubleshooting-hardware-devices-and-electronics-theory/troubleshooting-desktop-motherboards-graphics-cards-and-pc-peripherals/bios-schematic-requests/96303-hp-t730-password-locked-bios in the rom rcvry socket under a delicate thin narrow surface flap]) with ch341a alike switchable from 5v, 3.3v to 1.8v | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{partial|Storage bios option to IDE and not AHCI to prevent constant install error messages to DH0: - add noacpi to end of grub boot line - 1 M.2 SATA slot (Key B+M) up to 2280 with T8 torx secure stub}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA for non-vulkan Radeon R7 GCN 2 UVD4.2 Sea Islands with 4 dp outs '''but too easy bricking''' if swapping with 1 PCIe 3.0 x8 slot 30W slim factor low profile 8400gs gt210 nvs295 nvs310 gt1030}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDaudio 6.34 realtek alc221 codec thru case speaker only}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|'''Works''' for 4 USB2 in the back with 2 in the front, 2 USB3.0 ports on front and 1 more internal (not bootable)}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG set up first in Prefs/Network}} | <!--Test Distro-->boots with AROS One 32bit and 64bit USB with added noacpi added to grub boot line - press e - Latest distros can select grub boot options with Aros One 64bit USB and Aros One USB 2.8 but system seems to freeze after choice | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR3L sodimm stacked slots max 32GB - '''Larger''' 20cm/8" high 3.5ltr case noisy fan - TPM2 - esc/F9 boot selector F10 enter bios - 2 serial and 1 parallel old ports - Key E Wireless - PCIe slot (x16 physical, x8 electrical) - 19.5V 4.36A 85w TPC-LA561 HP 7.4mm black-ring-tip power plug, red flashing power button, wrong psu or bad MotherBoard MB - |- | <!--Name-->HP t630 Thin Client TPC-I020-TC *AMD Embedded G-Series SoC GX-420GI quad core 2Ghz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|ahci.device mbr msdos partiton table for 2 Sata M.2, sata0 up to 2280 (1tb max), sata1 2242 (64gb max), both T8 torx secure stubs}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA for Radeon AMD Wani R7E with 2 displayport 1.2 sockets, use one nearest to power jack - no dvi / hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio 6.36 0x1022, 0x157a and ALC255 aka ALC3234 codec 0x10ec, 0x0255, pins 0x17 as LFE and 0x1b as int speaker but not ahi 6.34}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2 2 front and 2 rear, 2 front USB3 and 1 inside}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111H}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB 2.2, 2.8 and 64bit USB 1.0, 1.2 with noacpi added to the end of the grub bootline (press e) | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR4 SODIMMs side by side speed 1866Mhz limit - 19.5V 3.33A 65W TPC-BA54 Coax male 7.4mm with centre pin - can be easily bricked, might reflash bios with M40 SP149736 - 20cm/8" high 1.5ltr larger fanless case - esc f1 f9 f10 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq Elite 7200 7300 8200 8300 SFF with kettle IEC psu cable | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE ata legacy only in BIOS}} | <!--Gfx-->i pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|8200 works}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel or Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit dual core - add pci-e rtl8169 ethernet card and pci-e gf210 nvidia low height - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq Pro 6305 Small Form Factor SFF AMD A75 chipset (FCH 6 SATA 6 Gb/s, 4 USB 3.0) *AMD Quad A10-5800B *AMD A8-5500B *AMD Dual A6-5400B *AMD A4-5300B | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 7000 Terascale iGPU series Radeon HD 7660D, Radeon HD 7560D, Radeon HD 7540D, Radeon HD 7480D | <!--Audio-->HD ALC221 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5761}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G1 - SFF *AMD A10-8850B, Quad-Core A10 PRO-7850B, A10-8750B *AMD A10-7800B, A10 PRO-6800B, A8-7600B *AMD A8-8650B, A6-8550B *AMD A6-8350B, Dual A6 PRO 7400B, A4-7300B | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D with Radeon R7 or 8000}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD audio with Realtek ALC221 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom or Intel}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - T15 security torx psu with 6pin PWR 200W connector - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 705 G2, 705 G3 Mini PC USFF thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2.5in and m.2 | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R7 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5762 GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit AM4 socket with 35W TDP A10-8770E (4c), AMD PRO A6-8570E (2c), AMD Pro A6-9500E, or AMD PRO A10-9700E on AMD B300 FCH - ddr4 sodimm slots - 77 x 175 x 34mm (6.97 x 6.89 x 1.34in) 1L and about 3lbs - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 705 G4 Mini 1ltr USFF AMD Ryzen 3 2200G (4c t) or 5 2400G (4c t) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Nvme 2280 and 2.5in sata}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 thru DP1.2 port | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio Conexant codec}} | <!--USB-->USB2 usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit Am4 socket - 2 sodimm 16GB max - 19.5v hp socket ext psu - |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G4 35w, HP Prodesk 405 G4 35W USFF - baseboard 83e9 35W - AMD Athlon PRO 200GE (2c 4t), 2200GE (4c t) or 2400GE (4c t) on AMD B350 FCH | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Nvme 2280 and older models 2.5in sata}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3, 8 or 11 with 2 dp1.2 ports | <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with Conexant CX20632 codec}} | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111EPH 1Gbe or Realtek RTL8111F | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - realtek wifi 8821 or 8822 - up to 1 ddr4 dimm slots - hp barrel external ac - |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G5, HP Elitedesk 806 G6, Prodesk 405 G6 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2x NVMe or 1x SATA + 1x NVMe, but not all three drives at the same time without serious modding of hd caddie || <!--Gfx-->Vega with DP1.4 port || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3205 codec}} || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - 3400GE Ryzen 5 PRO 3350GE (4c 8t), Ryzen 3 PRO 3200GE 3150GE (4c 4t), AMD Athlon Silver PRO 3125GE (2c 4t) on AMD PRO 565 |- | <!--Name-->HP t540 1ddr4 slot, t640 2 DDR4 SDRAM sodimm SO-DIMM 260-pin non-ECC max 32gb thin client USFF | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 NVM Express (NVMe) 2230 or 2280 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 VGA, DisplayPort | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->2 USB3 gen1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek Realtek RTL8111HSH or RTL8111E PH-CG | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit ryzen r1000 series Ryzen Embedded R1305G 1.5 GHz, R1505G dual (2c 4t) 2.0Ghz or R1606G ?.?Ghz (2c4t) - Realtek RTL8852AE wifi - 45W psu Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP t740 SFF Thin Client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 M.2, one is sata and other nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 DisplayPort or + optional pci-e 30W Radeon E9173 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E PH-CG 1Gbe | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - Ryzen Embedded V1756B 3.25Ghz quad - 90W 19.5V 4.62A psu Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - sodimm DDR4 max 64Gb - slightly noisy fan - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 805 G6 Mini 4750GE (8t 16t), Prodesk 405 G6 Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE (6c 12t) or Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE (4c 8t) on AMD PRO 565 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2.5in carrier and 2 slots m.2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 with DP1.4 and HDMI flex io2 output options | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC3205 codec | <!--USB-->4 usb a - gen 2 10gig and gen 1 5gig ports | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit AMD Ryzen 4000 SBC unlocked - 2 sodimm ddr4 slots - wifi6 - 90W ac - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Lenovo==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo Nettop IdeaCentre Q150 (40812HU) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio--> realtek codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->intel 10/100 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit D510 |- | <!--Name-->M625q Tiny (1L) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->M.2 Sata | <!--Gfx-->Stoney Radeon R2, R3 or R4 and later R5 with 2 dp ports | <!--Audio-->HD audio with ALC233-VB2-CG codec 0x10EC 0x0233 | <!--USB-->{{No|3 usb3.1 Gen 1 and 3 usb2}} | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 RTL8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit all dual cores - e2-9000e or a4-9120e later A9-9420e - heatsink covers 70% area covers wifi - 65w or 135w lenovo rectangle ac - 1 ddr4 2666MHz slot max 8gb - tpm 2.0 - |- | <!--Name-->M715q Gen 1 AMD A6 A8 A10-9700E 9770E (2c2t) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 | <!--Gfx-->R4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->M715q Gen 2 Ryzen 5 PRO 2400GE 4C 8T | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 11 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - f1 enter setup, esc device boot - fixed 1.8v ch341a needed to reflash 1.8v bios if no boot SOP8 DIP8 Winbond W25Q64, MXIC MX25U1635, MX25U6435 - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCenter M75n nano Ryzen3 3300U | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCentre M75q M75q-1 Tiny 1ltr TMM *AMD Ryzen 5 PRO Quad 3500 Pro 3400GE (4c 8t) 11a5 soe400 *AMD 3200GE (2c 4t) zen1+ 11a4 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|NVMe 2280 1Tb max - untested 2.5inch}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 11 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek ALC222-CG codec ALC3287 | <!--USB-->3 USB3 Gen 1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 65w 20v 3.25A to 135W rectangle psu - 2 sodimm ddr4 sodimm max 32GB locked 2666MHz - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCentre Ryzen 7 PRO Tiny 1ltr Gen 2 AMD 4000 series *AMD 4650GE (6c12t) 4750GE (8c16t) 4350G (4c8t) Zen2 - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|NVme}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit vendor locked - 20v psu - 2 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkcenter M75q-2 Gen2 refresh | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Radeon Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GigE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 5650GE (6c12t) 5750GE (8c16t) - vendor/PSB can lock your AMD CPU - f12 boot devices |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Thinkcentre M75q Tiny Gen5 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 780M dp1.4a or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 usb-c | <!--Ethernet-->1GBe port | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2024 Ryzen PRO 7 8700GE - 90W yellow rectangle connector psu - 2 DDR5 sodimm slots max 128Gb - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |} ====Misc==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Impart impact Media Group IQ Box mini Digital Signage with MB896 mini itx | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->GMA 915 gme | <!--Audio--> via audio | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - 1 ddr2 slot - pentium m 1.73GHz - |- | <!--Name-->[https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac_mini_cd_1.83-specs.html Apple A1176 Intel MacMini1,1] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|gpt/efi }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|gma950 2d and 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ICH7 [https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+question/186749 Sigmatel Stac 9221] [https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/msm/+/android-wear-5.1.1_r0.6/sound/pci/hda/patch_sigmatel.c codec][https://alsa-devel.alsa-project.narkive.com/Yt20W6cE/sigmatel-stac9221-mux-amp-out-0x02-microphone-not-working mic]}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit possible 1.83 GHz Intel “Core Duo” (T2400) - swap pci-e wifi for atheros 5k AR5007EG - maybe hack with a 2,1 firmware - max 4GB Ram ddr2 sodimms - external apple psu - dvd boot only with c key - |- | <!--Name-->[https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac-mini-core-2-duo-1.83-specs.html Apple A1176 Intel Mac Mini2,1] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|gpt/efi }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|gma950 2d and 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ICH7 Sigmatel Stac 9221 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 2.0/ Icaros | <!--Comments-->2007 64bit - swap pci-e wifi for atheros 5k AR5007EG - hacked with a 2,1 firmware and replaced the cpu for T7600 2.33 Ghz C2D and max 4GB Ram ddr2 sodimms - external apple psu - dvd boot only via c key |- | <!--Name-->Apple iMac 5,1 "Core 2 Duo" 1.83GHz 17" T5600 MA710LL || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 with 64Mb || <!--Audio-->HDAudio idt codec || <!--USB-->3 USB2 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 667MHz sodimm slots - 17.0" TFT widescreen 1440x900 - polycarbonate |- | <!--Name-->Apple iMac 6,1 "Core 2 Duo" 2.16 2.33 24" only T7400 T7600 aka MA456LL/A A1200 (EMC 2111) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia 7300GT with 128 MB of GDDR3 SDRAM PCI Express or GeForce 7600GT with 256Mb mini dvi, vga || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->3 USB2 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 667MHz sodimm slots - 24.0" TFT widescreen 1920 x 1200 - polycarbonate plastic case iMacs of this generation are the most difficult iMacs to service due to their front bezel design |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA2 | <!--IDE-->flash DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->S3 Inc ProSavage PM133 (rev 02) vga | <!--Audio-->VIA VT82C686 AC97 Audio | <!--USB-->USB | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8139 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - VIA Ezra 800MHz - 2 PC100 sodimm slots - riser board carries an ISA slot and a PCI slot - external 12V power supply.with 4 pins - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA5 Capio One | <!--IDE-->44pin Disk On Module DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->SiS550 vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with SiS7019 codec | <!--USB-->USB1.1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8139 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - internal power supply with mains lead has a "clover leaf" style - 2 144-pin PC100 or PC133 SODIMM might have 24MB of RAM soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA10 *E140 model BL-XX-XX (800MHz CPU) later *E100 model BK-XX-XX (1GHz CPU) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA VT8623 (Apollo CLE266) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with | <!--USB-->4 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102/VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 74) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2004/5 32bit - 12v 5.5mm/2.1mm - 2 184-pin DDR DIMM - |- | <!--Name-->VXL Itona thin client *TC3200, *TC3x41 (P3VB-VXL) TC3541 TC3641 TC3841, *TC3xx1 (6VLE-VXL0) TC3931, *TC43xx (Gigabyte C7V7VX) TC4321 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA vga | <!--Audio-->AC'97 Audio with VIA VT | <!--USB-->VIA USB | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8100B | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2005 2006 32bit VIA Samuel 2, VIA C3 Nehamiah CPU, 1 DIMM slot, internal psu, |- | <!--Name-->Neoware Capio C50, model CA15 Thin Clients] *Login Administrator Password Administrator *Login User Password User | <!--IDE-->1 flash Disk On Module | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA VT8623 (Apollo CLE266) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with via codec | <!--USB-->USB | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit VIA Eden (Samuel II core) CPU - 1 ddr sodimm slot max 512mb - slot - internal psu clover leaf - |- | <!--Name-->[http://etoy.spritesmind.net/neowareca21.html Neoware CA21 Thin Clients] Igel 3210 (and maybe the Clientron G270) *Login Administrator Password Administrator *Login User Password User | <!--IDE-->1 flash Disk On Module DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA CN700 vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with via codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit VIA C3 Nehemiah instead of Ezra-T - made 2 version of the CA 21, one with an Award bios and one with a Phoenix bios - 1 ddr2 sodimm slot max 1gb - VT6656 wireless - slot - internal psu iec - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA22 (e140), part number DD-L2-GE with BCOM WinNET P680 (V4) as the Igel 4210LX (Igel 5/4) | <!--IDE-->1 VIA VT82C586A/B VT82C686/A/B VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA CN700 P4M800 Pro CE VN800 Graphics [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 01) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with codec | <!--USB-->USB2 VIA VT8237R Plus | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102/VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - VIA Esther to later C7 1GHz - 1 ddr2 sodimm slots max 512mb - +12V DC/4.16A/50W 5.5mm/2.1mm coaxial - |- | <!--Name-->10Zig RBT402, Clientron U700, | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Partial|VESA dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|VIA }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 3a psu - Password Fireport |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Dell Optiplex FX170 D05U thin client, 10Zig 56xx range 5602, 5616v, 5617v, 5672v, Clientron U800, Devon IT TC5, | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{partial|GMA 950 dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 ddr2 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 3a psu - Password Fireport - ps2 keyboard socket - |- | <!--Name-->10Zig RBT-616V or Chip PC Technologies EX-PC (model number XPD4741) | <!--IDE-->{{unk|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 950}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit N270 on NM10 with ICH7 - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 4a psu - Password Fireport |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix GS-A21S-RH (rev. 1.0) SFF | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|X3100}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with ALC883-GR codec}} | <!--USB-->Intel USB | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566DC}} | <!--Test Distro-->ICAROS 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit Intel GME965 chipset with Intel ICH8M - 2 DDR2 Dimm slots - GA-6KIEH2-RH Rev.1.x mini ITX Case 213mm(D) x 64mm(W) x 234mm(H) - custom psu - |- | <!--Name-->VXL Itona MD+24 MD27 MD54 MD64 MD76 thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->VIA Chrome 9 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT | <!--USB-->VIA | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit VIA X2 U4200 - 12v-19v barrel psu - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Revo 100 RL100 AMD Athlon II X2 K325 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® ION™ 9300m || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC662 codec || <!--USB-->USB2 1 front 2 back || <!--Ethernet-->NVIDIA nForce 10/100/1000 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 64bit but no AVX - 4Gb DDR3 sodimm - 500 GB - 19v 3.42a 65W - dvd but later BD drive - |- | <!--Name-->Asrock ION 330 330Pro HT-BD, Foxconn NT-330i, Zotac ION F (IONITX mini itx), | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ION geforce 9400}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Nvidia }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit slow atom cpu - 2.5L 8" by 8" plastic case - 2 ddr2 sodimm max 4G - external 19v 65W 3.42A Plug 5.5mm X 2.5mm - little whiny fan - |- | <!--Name-->Zotac ZBOXHD-ND01 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION1 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->NVidia | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Zotac ZBOX HD-ID11 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111D | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 |- | <!--Name-->ZOTAC ZBOX Blu-ray 3D ID36 Plus | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->sata | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->2 USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->GbE | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle XS35GT || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION || <!--Audio-->HD audio IDT92HD81 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|JMC261}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - Atom™ D510 NM10 - DDR2 |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle XS35GT V2 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION2 || <!--Audio-->HD audio IDT92HD81 || <!--USB-->Intel || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|JMC251}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom™ D525 NM10 chipset - DDR3 |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION2 GT218 with vga and hdmi || <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - Atom™ D510 NM10 - DDR2 65 W AC, DC 19V~3.42A, 19.3L x 14.8w x 2.2H cm (1l), weight 530g, |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD2 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|nouveau ION2 GT218 with vga and hdmi 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|Intel USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom™ D525 NM10 chipset - DDR3 |- | <!--Name-->AOPEN Digital Engine DE67-HA(I) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| Vesa 2d for Intel HD}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio for ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel WG82579LM}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.jetwaycomputer.com/JBC600C99352W.html Jetway JBC600C99352W] | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->{{No|C-Media CM108AH}} | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111DL | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit D525 - DDR3 - 12v psu |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn nT-A3550 A3500 AMD A45 Chipset DDR3 Nettop Barebones - White | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 slot | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD6310 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 USB2 back and 2 USB3 front | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD Dual-core E350 1.6GHz CPU - 1 ddr3 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Asus EeeBox PC EB1021 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD6320M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE1 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit - AMD® Brazos E-350 SFF or E-450 with A50M - 2 ddr3l so-dimm - 40W ac - |- | <!--Name-->Xi3 Piston PC Athlon64 X2 3400e (X5A), AMD R-464L quad (X7A) Z3RO NUC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD mobility HD3650 to radeon HD 7660G | <!--Audio--> codec | <!--USB-->4 USB2 3 USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8161}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 - 2 sodimm 8GB max - 19v 3.3a round - Titan105 bios update - |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD3 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD6320M with vga and hdmi || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC662 codec || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE1 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD® Brazos E-450 with A45M - ddr3l so-dimm - 65W ac - Wireless is Realtek 8191SU WiFi (802.11n) or AzureWave (802.11bgn) - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Samsung Syncmaster Thin Client Display TC-W Series 24" LF24 TOWHBFM/EN TC220W LED LF22TOW HBDN/EN || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->8gb SSD || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| VESA mode only Radeon HD 6290}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB-->2 USB 2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 thin Client C-50 C50 AMD® 1000 MHz and no wireless |- | <!--Name-->Advantech TPC-2140 thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 atom-like G-T56E 1.65Ghz up to SSE3, BGA413 soldered - |- | <!--Name-->CompuLab FIT-PC3 fitPC3 USFF PC AMD G-T56N || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->RADEON HD 6320 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio ALC888 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64 bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 12v 3a - 2x sodimm DDR3 max 4GB - wifi rtl8188ce |- | <!--Name-->10Zig 6872 thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 atom-like G-T56N up to SSE3 BGA413 (FT1) soldered - DDR3l single channel - |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG Technology 9972 1.6 GHz Linux 1.47 kg Black RX-216GD thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 5E 3840 x 2160 @ 30Hz to 2560 x 1600 @ 60Hz 2 x Display Port | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 2 x USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD RX-216TD - 1 ddr3 sodimm - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 7800q thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 5E 3840 x 2160 @ 30Hz to 2560 x 1600 @ 60Hz 2 x Display Port | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 2 x USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD GX-424CC (Quad Core) 2.4GHz BGA769 (FT3b) - 1 ddr3 sodimm - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name--> *Itona VXL MZE12 AMD a4-5000 thin client *VXL Itona LQ27 LQ+27 LQ44 LQ+44 LQ49 LQ+49 LQ50 LQ+50 LQ64 LQ+64 thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Ati 8330 vga hdmi dp | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 usb2 2 usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit quad BGA769 (FT3) soldered - 2 stacked sodimm ddr3 middle of mobo - 2 m.2 sata slots - 1 sata short cable half size space - limited 1ltr 8in case no fan - 19v hp style psu connector - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5212 21.5" AIO Thin Client W11B | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Sata | <!--Gfx-->R3 out from DP or vga | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64bit slow atom like dual core AMD G-T48E 1.4 GHz - dell type round ac needed 90W 19.5V 4.62A - 21 inch 1080p screen - |- | <!--Name-->LG 24CK560N-3A 24' All-in-One Thin Client Monitor, 27CN650N-6N 27CN650W-AC 27', 34CN650W-AC 34', | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AMD Prairie Falcon GX-212JJ |- | <!--Name-->CompuLab fit-PC4 fitPC4 4x 2Ghz AMD || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64 - 2x DDR4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->IGEL Hedgehog M340C UD3 thin client *2016 V1.0 AMD GX-412HC 1.2GHz-1.6GHz Radeon R3E, normal bios DEL for Bios or F12 boot selector *2018 AMD GX-424CC 2.4GHz, Radeon R5E, UEFI hit DEL and choose boot or SCU icon | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->SATA half slim version '''limited space''' with msata 8+18pins slot on earlier 2016 models | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Radeon R3E later R5E sea islands vulkan 1.2 with dvi dp output}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec ?? (412) and Realtek ALC662-VD0-GR (424), both case speaker}} | <!--USB-->amd usb3 boot usb2 with bios "disable usb" entry | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111 (412) and (424)}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One x86 USB 1.5, 1.8 and 2.2 but ArosOne 64bit 1.2 boot loop in usb2 port | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 20cm/8" high case - 1 DDR3L sodimm slot max 8Gb 1600MHz - external '''12V 3A''' supply with 5.5mm/2.1mm coaxial - IDE like interface under base stand is for legacy addon ports RS232 parallel etc - capacitive touch power on - case opening 3 stages, remove stand and narrow black plastic strip from the back, top cover slides off to the back and lifts off - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 6148v 6048qv (6100 series) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{No| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AMD Ryzen V1202B |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 7111q | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit AMD Ryzen R2514 2.1 GHz - |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle DA320 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->R3 R5 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->dual realtek 1GbE 8111H | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Opinion-->2017 64bit AMD 2200G 2400G - Robust metal 1.3-liter case - A320 chipset DDR4 - 19V 6.32A DC PSU - |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H850C around december 2019 '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H860C - '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD3 M350C (UEFI issues) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ R R1505G Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H860C AMD Ryzen V1605B Thin Client - '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 AMD Ryzen™ Embedded V1605B 2 – 3.6 GHz (Quad-Core) - 12v 5A psu - up to 16GB RAM DDR4 - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix Barebone Mini PC BSRE-1605 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 M.2 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit AMD Ryzen V1605B - 2 DDR4 sodimm slots |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM Deskmini UM250 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit AMD Ryzen V1605B - |- | <!--Name-->T-Bao MN25 Mini PC 2500U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Unk|Intel NVMe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{No|VESA Radeon Vega 8}} | <!--Audio-->{{Unk| }} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek PCIe 1GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Atari VCS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit Ryzen Embedded R1606G - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum M200 Silver Athlon M300 3300U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum DeskMini UM300 3300U, UM350 DMAF5 3550H, UM370 and UM700 with 3750H | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->MinisForum X300 with AMD 3400G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER3 GTR4 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega 3 or 10 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RJ45 1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 3200u or 3750h |- | <!--Name-->AsRock DeskMini X300 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 Ryzen 7 Pro 4750G 5600G |- | <!--Name-->MinisForum Besstar Tech X400 with AMD 4650G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - MP1584 - kill NB679 NB679GD-Z=ALTM=AL** QFN-12 IC-REG-DL buck/linear synchronous chip IC with bad usb cables - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER4 GTR5 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->cant boot from installed SSDs unless its an M.2 | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->1 or 2 Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 4700U or 5900HX |- | <!--Name-->MSI PRO DP20Z 5M Mini PC - AMD Ryzen 5 5300G | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018-2021 R3 3200G Vega 8 - R5 3400G Vega 11 - Ryzen 5 5600G Vega 7 - Athlon 3000G |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM450 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - Ryzen 4500U - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix GB-BRR7-4800 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR7-4700 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR5-4500 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR3-4300 (rev. 1.0) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS PN50 mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 4700U | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|3.1 gen1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS PN51-S1 mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 5700U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega thru dp or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|3.1 gen1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 19v or 19.5v 90w psu round barrel - 32gb ddr4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum Bessstar Tech EliteMini B550 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 x 2.5in and 2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|4 usb3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 8125 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit AMD 4700G 5700G desktop cpu - 19v 120w round barrel - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock A300 and later X300 Mini itx with Desktop AM4 socket | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - choose your own AMD APU GE 35w based - DDR4 - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock 4x4 BOX-5800U Zen 3-based AMD Ryzen 7 5800U 15W - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 slot gen 3 and sata | <!--Gfx-->vega | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|1 GbE and 1 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - WiFi 6E - |- | <!--Name-->Topton S500+ Gaming Mini PC - Morefine S500+ 5900HX Mini PC - Minisforum UM590 Ryzen AMD Zen3 Ryzen 9 5900HX 7 5800H 45W - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme 1 sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 thru HDMI 2.0, DP 1.4, and USB type-C | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|1 realtek rtl 8111h and 1 8125 2.5GbE bg-cg}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 2 sodimm ddr4 3200MHz - |- | <!--Name-->Chuwi RzBox later Ubox | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 later to 660m vga, dp, hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb-c usb2}} | <!--Ethernet-->dual gigabit | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 2025 64bit amd 5800h 4800h 6600H - 90w psu - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC SER5, Trigkey AZW S5, Asus PN52, ZHI BEN MX-JB560, | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe3 M.2 2280 nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega 6 with 1 or 2 hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 5500U 5560u 5600U to PRO 5600H 5800H - 19v 3.42W 65W psu - |- | <!--Name-->NIPOGI Kamrui ACEMAGICIAN AM06PRO Dual LAN Mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 5800U, 5 5500U or 5600U/5625U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->M.2 and 2.5in sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega 7 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE ports | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - plastic build - 90w usb-c power - loud at 25W setting - |- | <!--Name-->Topton FU02 Fanless Mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 4700U 5600U 5800U 8 Core 16 Threads | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe and 2.5in sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->4 3.0 with 2 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->2 x 1G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64 - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - fanless with copper cube from cpu to metal sheet which gets warm |- | <!--Name-->Xuu XR1 Lite (5300u 4c 8t) PRO 5400U MAX 5600U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 NVMe 2242 slot | <!--Gfx-->Vega 6 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->2 3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64 quiet fan - very small case no expansions - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM UM690 Venus Series | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->pcie4 nvme 2280 and 1 sata3 2.5in | <!--Gfx-->680m RNDA2 12CU with 2 hdmi | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|1 USB4 and 2 USB3.2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|2.5G LAN}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 6900hx 8C16T - 2 ddr5 sodimmm - 19v ???W - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC GTR6 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe4 | <!--Gfx-->AMD 680M RDNA2 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->USB3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5GbE or intel i225}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit Ryzen 9 6900HX Zen3+ and a 2gb Radeon 680m 12CU ddr5 sodimm - 19v 120w psu - |- | <!--Name-->Asus PN53, Geekom AS 6, | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->pcie gen4 nvme and ata 2.5in | <!--Gfx-->680m RNDA2 12CU with 2 hdmi and 1 dp | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 usb-c, 2 USB2.1 and 3 USB3.2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|1G LAN}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 6900hx 8C 16T - 2 slots ddr5 sodimmm (64Gb max) - 19v 120W - 4 retained base screws beware ribbon cable - |- | <!--Name-->Micro Computer (HK) Tech Ltd MinisForum UM773 Lite later UM750L slim, GMKtec K2 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe PCIe4.0 | <!--Gfx-->RDNA | <!--Audio-->HD Audio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2023 2025 64bit - AMD Zen 3+ (8c 16t) Ryzen 7 7735HS, 7840HS and AMD Ryzen 9 7845HX AMD Ryzen™5 7545U (6c12t) - 19v up to 120w ac adapter - ddr5 sodimm 4800Mhz - |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.asrockind.com/en-gb/4x4 ASrock 4x4 SBC] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->sata or nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega or 680M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 or USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 1GbE or intel 2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC GTR7 SER7 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe4 nvme 2280 up to 2Tb | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M RDNA3 GPU output on hdmi and dp | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|1 or 2 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2023 64bit AMD Phoenix APUs Zen 4 CPU Ryzen 7 7840HS or 9 7940HS (8c 16t) - 19v 5.26A 120w psu - del dios setup f7 choose boot - 2 usb-c on back - up to 64gb via 2 ddr5 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM BD770i Ryzen 7 7745HX (8c16t) or BD795i SE 790i 9 7945HX (16c32t) or F1FXM_MB_V1.1 795M LGA1700 mATX | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 610m over usb-c, dp or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 with 2 rear USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 2.5G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 mini-ITX M/B is the first MoDT (Mobile on Desktop) with soldered AMD CPU - 2 dual PCIe4.0 M.2 slots - 2 ddr5 sodimm slots max 5200Mhz - 8pin cpu power - battery not easily replaceable underneath - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum ms-a1 MS-a2 * 5700G to 8700G apu * 9955HX | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 610M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->dual 2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2024 64bit - 19v ?A round barrel jack - 2 ddr5 so-dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->AOOSTAR GT68 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Nvme | <!--Gfx-->680m | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 2.5Gb | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 Ryzen7 Pro 6850H, |- | <!--Name-->NextSBC 7840HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M 12CU | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB4 and USB 3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 32Gb soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Firebat A6 R7 6800H | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 680M | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM760 7640HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 760 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 and 2.5Gb | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Peladn WO4 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 760 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit 7640HS - 19v 5.26A 120W - |- | <!--Name-->BossGame M4 Neo 7840HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM870 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M || <!--Audio-->HDaudio || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->GEEKOM A8 Max AI Mini PC AMD Ryzen™ 9 8945HS, Ryzen™ 7 8845HS or 8745HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe| USB4}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Dual 2.5 G Ethernet ports}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER 9 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVme | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 890M | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - Ryzen AI HX 370 strix point - |- | <!--Name-->GMKtec EVO-X2 mini pc | <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 8060S iGPU RDNA3.5 RADV GFX1151 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - amd ryzen AI Max+ 395 (16c32t) strix halo - |- | <!--Name-->BosGame M5 | <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 8060S iGPU RDNA3.5 RADV GFX1151 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - amd ryzen AI Max+ 395 (16c32t) - |- | <!--Name-->Steam Machine GabeCube | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->semi-custom 1080p amd 7600m like with 28cu 8gb ddr6 gddr 10GFlops | <!--Audio-->hdaudio with codec | <!--USB-->usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2026 64bit amd 1772 hawk point2 6c12t zen4 avx512 FP7 socket with FCH51 - 16gb ddr5 - |- | <!--Name-->AMD Ryzen AI Halo Developer Platform Workstation | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2026 64bit - amd ryzen AI Max+ 395 (16c32t) - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |} ===Server Systems=== [[#top|...to the top]] ====IBM==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="15%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->xSeries 206m | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI RN50b (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{n/a}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0 (UHCI/EHCI)}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2014-09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Motherboard=== [[#top|...to the top]] * Late 2002, USB2.0 added and slightly better AROS sound support (AC97) appeared * 2002-2005 and still, to a limited extent, ongoing [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague bad capacitors] * Late 2003, ATX PSUs moved from 5V to 12v rails (extra 4pin on motherboard for CPU) * Late 2005, PCI Express replaced AGP and HDAudio replaced AC97 * Late 2007, ATX PSUs added extra 12V PCI-E connectors and 4+4pin for CPUs * Late 2010, USB3.0 appears on motherboards or needing a PCI-E motherboard slot * Late 2014 Hardware USB2 removed from USB3 chipsets ====AMD Sockets==== [[#top|...to the top]] =====Socket 7 (1997/1999)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->1997 VT82C586B (QFP-208) is the first from VIA with DDMA |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2000 VT82C686 has close to excellent DDMA support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->SiS 5581/5582 SiS 5591/5595 SiS 530 /5595 SiS 600/5595 SiS 620/5595 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket A 462 (2001/4)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/motherboards/article.php/2217921/ABIT-NF7-S-nForce2-Motherboard-Review.htm Abit NF7-S] | <!--Chipset-->nForce 2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->SIL 3112A | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650 AC97 (Nvidia APU)}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8201LB | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Realtek RTL8801B |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7NF2 | <!--Chipset-->nforce2 ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|AGP 8x}} | <!--Audio-->CMedia CMI 9761A AC'97 | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8201 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7S8X | <!--Chipset-->SIS 746FX | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|AGP 8x}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC'97 cmedia}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB2.0 works but does not boot}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SiS900}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7S41GX | <!--Chipset-->SIS 741GX + DDR 333 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|onboard sis does not work with vga or vesa but AGP 8x works}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 SIS 7012}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB2.0 works but does not boot}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SiS 900}} | <!--Opinion-->works ok |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.asus.com ASUS A7N8X] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->Silicon Image Sil 3112A | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ac97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|ehci USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->first total support for AROS in 2004/5 - damocles and M Schulz |- | <!--Name-->Biostar M7NCD | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650 AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Chaintech 7NJS Ultra Zenith | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Promise PDC 20376 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|CMI8738}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->DFI Lanparty NF2 Ultra | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|via ac97 VT1616}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8139C | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ECS N2U400-A | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|Cmedia 9379A AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|VIA VT6103L}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA7N400L | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP 8x slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8100C | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.gigabyte.lv/products/page/mb/ga-8siml Gigabyte 8SIML] | <!--Chipset-->SIS 650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC'97}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|working}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek RTL8100L LAN}} | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Matsonic [http://www.elhvb.com/mobokive/archive/matsonic/manual/index.html Manuals] MS83708E | <!--Chipset-->SIS730 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|SiS 5513}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|sis 305 no support use VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|sis7018}} | <!--USB-->{{no|SiS 7001 USB 1.1 only}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SIS900}} | <!--Opinion-->little support |- | <!--Name-->[http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=bph07585&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&dest_page=softwareCategory&os=228&tool=softwareCategory&query=Pavilion%20742n&product=89232 MSI MS-6367 HP 722n 742n (Mambo) (2001/2)] | <!--Chipset-->Nvidia nforce 220D (2001/2) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->GeForce2 AGP works 2D nouveau only | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|AC97 ADI 1885 no volume control on Units 0-3}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB1.1 ports AMD based - front 2 ports iffy}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|nForce}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested 20th Aug 2012 NB |- | <!--Name-->MSI K7N2 [http://us.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=1&prod_no=546/ Delta ILSR] Delta-L | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 (2002/3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Primary & Secondary ports}} IDE Tertiary port (RAID) | <!--SATA-->2 ports (RAID) | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|when fitted with an agp video card}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ac97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->runs AROS well. Tested with Icaros 1.2.3 |- | <!--Name-->MSI K7N2 Delta2-LSR Platinum | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 (2002/3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Primary & Secondary ports}} IDE Tertiary port (RAID) | <!--SATA-->2 ports (RAID) | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|when fitted with an agp video card}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|ac97 ALC655}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->runs AROS well. Tested with Icaros 1.2.3 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/motherboards/article.php/2204281/Soltek-SL-75MRN-L-nForce2-Motherboard-Review.htm Soltek 75FRN-L] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|2 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion-->good support |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.3dvelocity.com/reviews/mach4nf2ultra/mach4.htm XFX Pine Mach4 nForce2 Ultra 400] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|3 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports VIA VT6240}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP 8x slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->ASUS A7V266 | <!--Chipset-->via KT266A + 8233 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{no|issues}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->AC97 with AD1980 codec | <!--USB-->via 8233 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6103 | <!--Opinion-->2002 issues with booting |- | <!--Name-->Asus A7V8X-X | <!--Chipset-->VIA KT400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|agp}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 with ADI AD1980 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|VIA 8235}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|Realtek 10/100}} | <!--Opinion-->2003 not booting for Socket A for AMD Barton/Thoroughbred/Athlon XP/Athlon/Duron 2.25+ GHz CPU - 3 x DDR DIMM Sockets Max. 3 GB - |- |} =====Socket 754 (2004/5)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit NF8-V2 | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250GB (2004/5) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|2 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot x8 | <!--Audio-->ALC658 ac97 | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201C}} | <!--Opinion-->a little support but no Firewire VIA VT6306 |- | <!--Name-->Biostar CK8 K8HNA Pro | <!--Chipset-->nforce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->VT6420 thru ide legacy only | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 ALC655}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8110S | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VT6307 no |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/motherboards/Chaintech_ZNF3-150_3.html Chaintech ZNF3-150 Zenith] | <!--Chipset-->nforce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|Sli3114 SATA via IDE emul}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{no|VIA Envy24PT (VT1720) + VT1616}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom GbE 5788}} | <!--Opinion-->very little support needs PCI cards but no Firewire VIA VT6306 |- | <!--Name-->DFI Lanparty UT nF3 250GB | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250gb | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports nForce3 and 2 Marvell SATA PHY}} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ALC850}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->CK8S - Winfast NF3 250K8AA works and Marvell 88E1111 does not work | <!--Opinion-->2005 some support but no Firewire VIA VT6307 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-K8N | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA nForce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8100C | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI43AB23 no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte K8NNXP | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sata sil3512 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTl8110S | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI STB82AA2 no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-K8NSNXP | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250GB | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->SiI 3512 CT128 Sata Sil3515 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC850 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvel 88E8001}} | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI K8N Neo-FIS2R | <!--Chipset-->nVIDIA NF3-250Gb | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek 7.1 AC'97 ALC850 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E1111}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://techreport.com/articles.x/5748/1 Shuttle AN50R] | <!--Chipset-->nF3-150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sil 3112 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC650 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia nF3 (10/100) Intel 82540EM Gigabit | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VT6307 no |- | <!--Name--> Foxconn WinFast K8S755A | <!--Chipset-->SiS755 + SiS964 (DDR333) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> {{yes|AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket 939 (2005)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8N-LA GeForce 6150 LE | <!--Chipset-->Geforce 6150 (MCP51) + nForce 430 (PC-3200) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|two ATA 133}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|four 3.0GB/s SATAII ports}} | <!--Gfx-->built in or PCI-E x16 | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC883 HD Audio | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8201CL | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8N-SLI Premium | <!--Chipset-->NVidia | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|PCIe slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|nForce LAN but not Marvell}} | <!--Opinion-->Works well |- | <!--Name-->DFI nF4 Ultra-D LanParty - Diamond Flower International sold to BenQ group 2010 | <!--Chipset-->nF4 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA 2 | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 slots | <!--Audio-->AC97 with ALC850 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Dual Gigabit Ethernet, PCIe by Vitesse VSC8201 PHY nee Cicada 8201, PCI by Marvel 88E8001 | <!--Opinion-->2006 64bit - Four 184-pin DDR Dual-Channel Slots - 1 pci on Ultra, 2 pci on sli, |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8V E SE | <!--Chipset-->VIA K8T890 +VT8237R CHIPSET ATX AMD Motherboard with Athlon 64 X2 / Athlon 64 FX / Athlon 64 | <!--ACPI-->{{N/A}} | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe}} AC97 driver using Realtek ALC850 codec | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} USB 2.0 only | <!--Ethernet-->{{No}} Marvell 88E8053 | <!--Opinion-->Good base but needs additional PCI cards added for better support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS A8V Deluxe (2004) | <!--Chipset-->VIA K8T800 Pro (DDR400) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->Promise 20378 2 ports | <!--SATA-->2 SATA2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|VIA VT8233A 8235 8237 AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8001 Gigabit}} | <!--Opinion-->needs extra PCI cards |- |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AsRock 939Dual-SATA2 | <!--Chipset-->Ali Uli M1695 PCIe with M1567 AGP | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->1 Sata with JMicron JMB360 chip | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e and 1 agp | <!--Audio-->AC97 with ALC850 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8201CL PHY ULi 10/100 | <!--Opinion-->64bit pci-e and agp combo on board - 4 ddr slots - |} =====Socket AM2 (2006/8) and AM2+ (2007-2010) ===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M61PME-S2 (rev. 2.x) | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® GeForce 6100 / nForce 430 chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for vga}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio Realtek ALC662 Audio Codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M2N61-AR mini itx | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA nForce 430 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 | <!--SATA-->2 | <!--Gfx-->GeForce 6150SE via vga or 1 pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->Nvidia | <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia | <!--Opinion-->2006 32bit - 1 pci - 2 ddr2 dimm slots non-eec - |- | <!--Name-->asus m2n68-am se2 | <!--Chipset-->nvidia 630a 630/a MCP68SE | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 ports | <!--SATA-->2 ports MCP61 chipset is SATA over IDE, not SATA over AHCI and reports subsystem as 0x1 IDE, not 0x6 SATA | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|nvidia 7025 2d and 3d thru vga}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|hd audio with realtek alc662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|nForce chipset RTL 8201CP}} | <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit Phenom IIX2, Athlon 64 LE X2, Sempron, and Phenom FX processors - ddr2 667Mhz ram max 4Gb - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 (rev. 1.0) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 770 with SB700 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111C later 8111D}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support for AM2+ / AM2 with 4 ddr2 ram - 4 x PCI Express x1, 2 x PCI slots - firewire T.I. TSB43AB23 chip no support - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M3A32-MVP Deluxe | <!--Chipset-->AMD 790FX RD790 + SB600 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{No|Marvell 88SE6121 SATA II}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 1.1 support | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio ADI® AD1988}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8056}} | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASROCK N68-S N68C-S | <!--Chipset-->AMD based nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|slimline DVD drive works}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GF 7025 use vesa}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio for VIA 1708S VT1705}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|echi usb 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201EL / 8201CL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->2008 unbuffered 1066Mhz ddr2 ram - N68C-S may need noacpi added to grub boot line to disable pci temporarily to run as it cannot get to [PCI] Everything OK - |- | <!--Name-->Asus M2N68-AM Plus | <!--Chipset-->Athlon 64, Sempron, Athlon 64 X2, Athlon 64 FX with nvidia 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->no vga, pci-e slot only | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8211CL Gigabit LAN}} | <!--Opinion-->adding "noacpi noapic noioapic" to the GRUB options - Dual channel DDR2 1066, 800, 667 MHz - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68M-S2 (1.0) S2P (2.3) S2L GA-M68SM-S2 (1.x) | <!--Chipset-->nForce 630a chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025, vga (s2 and s2p), dvi (s2l) | <!--Audio-->ALC883 (S2), ALC888B (S2P), ALC662 (S2L), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8201CL (S2), 8211CL (S2P), 8211BL (S2L), | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit possible with AMD AM2+ CPU on AM2 motherboard, the system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0(5200MHz) to HT1.0(2000 MT/s) spec |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M2N68-VM | <!--Chipset-->nForce 630a (MCP68PVNT) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Nvidia GeForce ® 7050PV hdmi, dvi and vga | <!--Audio-->HD audio VIA 1708B codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8211C | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit - ddr2 800Mhz |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM3 White socket (2010/11)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA74GM-S2 GA-MA74GM-S2H | <!--Chipset-->740g with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|bios IDE}} | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 2100 and pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->ALC888 (r1.x),ALC888b (r2.0), ALC888B (rev4.x) | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111C later 8111D | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - 2 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets max 8 GB - Micro ATX Form Factor 24.4cm x 23.4cm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.vesalia.de/e_aresone2011.htm Aresone 2011] | <!--Chipset-->760g | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|no Radeon HD3000 driver yet<br>vesa driver works<br>and add PCIe card}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support - 4 DDR3 memory sockets - |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn A76ML-K 3.0 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760g rev3.0 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1 }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|4 in IDE mode }} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 with pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC662-GR codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - 2 pci slots - |- | <!--Name-->GA-MA770T-UD3P (rev. 1.0 to 1.4) | <!--Chipset-->amd 770 with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|4 sata}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with Realtek ALC888 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8168 rtl8111c/d}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64 - 4 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 (rev. 2.0 2.1) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 770 with SB700 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111C later 8111D}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support for AM3 with 4 ddr2 ram - 4 x PCI Express x1, 2 x PCI slots - firewire T.I. TSB43AB23 chip no support - |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4A785TD-M PRO | <!--Chipset-->785G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI Radeon HD 4200 - use vesa}} or pci-e 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Opinion-->Good support with 1366 ddr3 ram - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M4A88T-I Deluxe ITX | <!--Chipset-->AMD 880G with AMD SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Three SATA 3Gbps | <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 4350 GPU with HDMI and DVI or One 16x PCI-Express 2.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC889 | <!--USB-->6 x USB 2, 2 x USB 3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek RTL8112L}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 2 SODIMM DDR3 slots max 8GB |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4A88T-M Version E5907 E5826 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 880G SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 4250 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT 1708S codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek rtl8169 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->GigaByte 890GPA-UD3H | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890GX together with SB850 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Yes | <!--Gfx-->use pci-e nvidia | <!--Audio-->Maybe - ALC892 rev. 1.0, ALC892 rev 2.1, ALC889 rev. 3.1 | <!--USB-->Yes | <!--Ethernet-->Yes | <!--Opinion-->works well overall |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-890FXA-UD7 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890FX with SB850 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 (rev 2.x) | <!--USB-->{{Yes|AMD USB2 but limited with NEC D720200F1 USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->2 x Realtek 8111D | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - XL-ATX Form Factor 32.5cm x 24.4cm - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 890GXM-G65 | <!--Chipset-->890GX + SB750 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI 4290 built-in (vesa)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC889 DD GR}} HD Audio crackles | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock N68-VS3 FX | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 Sata2 | <!--Gfx-->Integrated NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA® VT1705 Codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek PHY RTL8201EL | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - 2 x DDR3 DIMM slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI GF615M-P35 MS-7597 | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® nForce 430 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GeForce 6150SE | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC888S}} | <!--USB-->{{No|freezes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 8211CL}} | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68MT-S2 | <!--Chipset--> nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 vga | <!--Audio-->ALC888B (1.3), ACL887 (3.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8211CL (all) | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit possible, AMD AM3 CPU on this motherboard, the system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0 (5200MT/s) to HT1.0 (2000 MT/s) spec |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68MT-S2P | <!--Chipset--> nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 vga | <!--Audio-->ALC888B (1.x 2.x), ALC889 (3.0), ALC888B/889 (3.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8211CL (all) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4N78 PRO | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA GeForce 8300 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 xUltraDMA 133/100 | <!--SATA-->6 xSATA 3 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->Integrated NVIDIA® GeForce® 8 series GPU with 1 PCIe 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA1708S 8 -Channel codec | <!--USB-->12 USB 2.0 ports (8 ports at mid-board, 4 ports at back panel) | <!--Ethernet-->NVIDIA Gigabit | <!--Opinion-->4 x DIMM, Max. 16 GB, DDR2 1200(O.C.)/1066*/800/667 ECC,Non-ECC,Un-buffered Memory - ATX Form Factor 12 inch x 9.6 inch ( 30.5 cm x 24.4 cm ) - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket AM3+ Black socket (2012/15)===== *095W FX-6300 FD6300WMHKBOX (bulldozer SSE4.1 AVX) 970 mobos with FX-8320E 8core Black Editions FD832EWMHKBOX FX-8370E (Vishera/Piledriver) *125W FX-6310 (bulldozer) 970 mobos with FX-8320 FX-8350 FX-8370 (Vishera/Piledriver) *220W 990FX mobos with FX-9000 FX-9370 FX-9590 {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M5A78L-M LX3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G with SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|bios IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 with pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC887, V? ALC892 codecs | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros 8161/8171 add realtek 8111? pci-e card}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - uATX Form Factor 9.6 inch x 7.4 inch ( 24.4 cm x 18.8 cm ) - 2 x DIMM, Max. 16GB, DDR3 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|6 SATA2 ports}} | <!--Gfx-->GT240 and a nv7900gs, both pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC889 (r3.1), ALC??? (rev. 4.0), ALC887 (r5.x)}} | <!--USB-->4 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 8111E (r3.1), Atheros (rev4.0), Atheros (r5.x) }} | <!--Opinion-->2012 offers very poor control over its EFI vs. BIOS booting partition features |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 (r3.0), (r4.1 Blue board), (r5.0 dark board), (rev6 dark mobo) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|Bios IDE mode for SATA2 on early ones}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD HD3000, pci-e GT240 and a nv7900gs | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC??? (r3.0), ALC887 (r4.1), VIA VT2021 (r5.0), Realtek® ALC892 codec (rev6) }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 but not VIA® VL805 USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - Micro ATX Form Factor 24.4cm x 24.4cm - 4 x DDR3 DIMM sockets - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 760GM | <!--Chipset-->ATI 760G plus SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 Use Vesa | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|P33 VT1705; P34, P21 and P23 (FX) MS7641 v3.0 ALC887, E51 ALC892}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Opinion-->P23 issues with audio ALC887 crackles thru earphones - |- | <!--Name-->Gigayte GA-MA770T-UD3P (rev. 3.1) | <!--Chipset-->amd 770 with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with Realtek ALC888/892 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111d/e | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASRock 890FX Deluxe5 Extreme3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890FX + AMD SB850 or SB950 (Extreme3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC892}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8111E rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M5A97 R2.0 EVO | <!--Chipset-->AMD 970 and SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Asmedia SATA Controller | <!--Gfx-->n/a | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC887 (LE), ALC887 (Regular), ALC892 (EVO) codec | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 and 2 Asmedia USB3.0 Controller | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111F | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 970 with SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio--> ALC??? (rev. 1.0/1.1), ALC887 (rev1.2), VIA VT2021 codec (rev 1.3 1.4 and rev3.0) | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 but not Etron EJ168 chip (USB3)}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE 8111E (all revisions), | <!--Opinion-->2015 64bit - ATX Form Factor 30.5cm x 22.4cm - 4 x 1.5V DDR3 DIMM sockets - |- | <!--Name-->MSI 970 Gaming | <!--Chipset-->970FX SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC1150 Codec | <!--USB-->6 usb2 with 2 USB3 VIA VL806 Chipset | <!--Ethernet-->Killer E2205 Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M5A99X EVO | <!--Chipset-->990X - RD980 with SB920 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->2 pci-e gen ? | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC892 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek 8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-990XA-UD3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 990 with SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 (rev 1.x, 3.0, 3.1), | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 not 2 x Etron EJ168 chips for USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->realtek rtl8169 8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - ATX Form Factor; 30.5cm x 24.4cm - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====AMD Fusion (2011/14)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | 1.2GHz single Bobcat Fusion C30 + Hudson M1 | ACPI | IDE | SATA | AMD 6250 | Audio | USB | Ethernet | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | Asus E35M1-M PRO uATX | 1.6GHz 18W AMD Fusion E-350 dual core + Hudson M1 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA | AMD 6310 - no HD driver yet | ALC887 VD2 | USB | RTL8111E | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - EFI bios - pci slot - |- | Asus E35M1-I Deluxe miniITX | 1.6GHz dual AMD Fusion E350 + Hudson M1 + DDR3 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA | AMD 6310 - no HD driver yet | ALC892 | USB | Realtek 8111E | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - no support for Atheros AR5008 on a Mini PCI-E - 1 pci slot - |- | ASRock E350M1 / USB3 (also version with USB3.0 added) | 1.6GHz dual AMD Fusion E350 + Hudson M1 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA - 4 SATA3 | {{Maybe|AMD 6310 - use vesa with hdmi and dvi}} | {{Yes|Audio ALC892 playback but no HDMI output}} | USB - 4 USB2.0 and 2 USB3.0 | {{Yes|rtl8169 for Realtek rtl8111E}} | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 1 pci-e 2.0 x4 slot - f2 or del bios, f11 boot select - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-E350N-USB3 mini-ITX | <!--Chipset--> Hudson M1 FCH | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 SATA3 | <!--Gfx--> plus HDMI, DVI | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB-->2 NEC USB3.0 with 4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 for Realtek rtl8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 1 pci slot - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-E350N Win8 V1.0 | <!--Chipset-->Hudson M1 FCH A45 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 SATA3 | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Use VESA - AMD 6310 plus HDMI, DVI}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC887 playback through headphones but not thru hdmi}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|4 USB2.0 needs more testing}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 for Realtek 8111e}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - works well but need to test with sata hard disk |- | <!--Name-->MSI E350IA-E45 | <!--Chipset-->e-350 + Hudson M1 + DDR3 | <!--ACPI-->no support | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 Sata3 ports | <!--Gfx-->AMD 6310 gpu | <!--Audio-->ALC HDA | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 and 2 USB3.0 through NEC 720200 chipset | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS E45M1-M PRO | <!--Chipset-->E450 APU with Hudson M1 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS E45M1-I Deluxe | <!--Chipset-->E-450 together | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM1 (2011/13)===== On board Graphic on CPU - HD6410D, HD6530D, HD6550D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS F1A55-M LE | <!--Chipset--> with AMD A55 FCH (Hudson D2) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s port(s), blue Support Raid 0, 1, 10, JBOD | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 2.0 slot or Integrated AMD Radeon™ HD 6000 in Llano APU | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 Audio CODEC | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E rtl8169 | <!--Opinion-->2012 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - A-Series/E2- Series APUs up to 4 cores - 2 x DIMM, Max. 32GB, DDR3 2250(O.C.)/1866/1600/1333/1066 MHz Non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory Dual Channel Memory Architecture - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM2 White Socket (2012/13)===== Onboard Gfx on CPU - HD6570, HD7480D, HD7540D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A75 A85X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM2 Plus Black socket (2013/15)===== Onboard Gfx on CPU - HD6570, HD7480D, HD7540D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A88X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM1 FS1b socket (2014/1x)===== 5350 4 core Jaguar cores 2GHz with Integrated AMD Radeon R Series Graphics in the APU Kabini [Radeon HD 8400] Later Beema APU with 2/4 core Puma (slightly updated Jaguar) cores, GCN graphics and a compute capable Radeon core, along with a brand new AMD security processor and FT3 BGA packaging (probably best avoided for long term survival). {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS AM1I-A | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek® ALC887-VD | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111GR 8168 | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit may support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->MSI AM1I | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI AM1M | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->BGA FT3 AM1x |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM4 FM3 Summit Ridge Zen Zen+ (2016/22)===== Jim Keller’s group designed x86 Zen CPU - new and covering the same AM4 platform/socket for desktop Zen will also shift from Bulldozer’s Clustered Multithreading (CMT) to Simultaneous Multithreading (SMT, aka Intel’s Hyperthreading). CMT is the basis for Bulldozer’s unusual combination of multiple integer cores sharing a single FPU within a module, so the move to SMT is a more “traditional” design for improving resource usage Trusted Platform Module, or fTPM, that Windows 11 requires. Ryzen processors using a firmware TPM are causing stutters, even when doing mundane tasks. To enable TPM 2.0 on your AMD system please follow the steps below. <pre> Power on system and press DEL or F2 to get into the BIOS. Navigate to Advanced\CPU Configuration. Enable AMD fTPM switch. Press F10 to save changes. </pre> {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair VI Hero | <!--Chipset-->X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 (1x16 or 2x8) | <!--Audio-->SupremeFX audio features an S1220 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel I211 | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 7 1800X 1700X |- | <!--Name-->Biostar X370gtn Itx Am4 | <!--Chipset-->AMD X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek Dragon LAN RTL8118AS | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-AX370 K7 | <!--Chipset--> X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with 2 x Realtek® ALC1220 codec 0x10EC, 0x0295 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1 intel and 1 E2500 | <!--Opinion--> 4 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->MSI Xpower Gaming Titanium | <!--Chipset--> X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->8-channel Realtek 1220 Codec 0x10EC, 0x0295 | <!--USB-->ASMedia® ASM2142 and amd cpu | <!--Ethernet-->1 x Intel® I211AT Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Prime B350 Plus ATX | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x16 mode) | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 8-Channel | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 5 1600x 1600 1500X 1400 - 4 x DIMM Max 64GB, DDR4 up to 2666MHz ECC and non-ECC Memory - ATX 12 inch x 9.35 inch ( 30.5 cm x 23.7 cm ) - 2 pci |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME B350M-A/CSM Micro ATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek LAN | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 3 1300x 1200 1100 |- | <!--Name-->AsRock Pro4 AB350 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe 3.0 x16, 4 PCIe 2.0 x1 | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2017 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock AB350 Gaming-ITX/ac | <!--Chipset--> B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B350 Tomahawk Arctic Mortar | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 x PCIe 3.0 x16 (x16 mode) | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->white and grey colours - 2 pci-e and 2 pci slots - m.2 in middle - atx 12 in by 9.6 in and matx versions - |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue M-ATX B350M-TI | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue B350I-Plus ITX | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock A320M-ITX MINI ITX Rev1.0 Rev2 Rev2.1 | <!--Chipset-->A320 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2018 |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME A320M-C R2.0 rev1.1 A320M-K | <!--Chipset-->A320 A/B300 SFF | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HD audio with Realtek ALC887 alc897 CODEC | <!--USB-->2 usb 3.1 gen 1 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2019 64bit - 3rd/2nd/1st Gen AMD Ryzen™ / 2nd and 1st Gen AMD Ryzen™ with Radeon™ Vega |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI A320M-A PRO MicroATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD A320 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio Realtek® ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111H | <!--Opinion-->2019 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG X399 Zenith Extreme | <!--Chipset-->AMD X399 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> supremefx s1220 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion-->Threadripper 1950X 1920X 1900X TR4 skt |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->AsRock Fatality X470 Gaming K4 mATX | <!--Chipset-->X470 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->pci-e rebar possible | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asrock Fatal1ty X470 Gaming-ITXac AMD AM4 | <!--Chipset-->AMD X470 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS ROG STRIX X470-I GAMING AM4 ITX Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus B450-I Gaming | <!--Chipset-->AMD B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->high VRM temps - raven ridge 14nm+ like 2200G 2400G |- | <!--Name-->AsRock B450 Gaming K4 | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> 4 ddr4 slots - low VRM thermals 3900x 3950x |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B450 I Aorus Pro Wifi | <!--Chipset-->AMD B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 nvme pcie3 with 4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pcie | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek® ALC1220-VB codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion-->very high vrm temps |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue B450i Gaming ITX | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata3 - none nvme | <!--Gfx-->pcie3 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Opinion-->2021 64 2nd 3rd AMD - 2 ddr4 dimm slots |- | <!--Name-->MSI b450 tomahawk max | <!--Chipset--> b450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{n/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HD audio with Realtek® ALC892 Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111H | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450 Pro Carbon | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> ALC codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450-A PRO | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111h | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450I GAMING Plus AC ITX | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2019 - 2nd and 3rd gen AMD - 2 ddr4 slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450 GAMING PLUS MAX | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek® ALC892/ALC897 Codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111H | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MAXSUN AMD Challenger B450M M-ATX (aka Soyo) | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASRock X570 PHANTOM GAMING-ITX/TB3 Mini ITX AM4 | <!--Chipset-->X570 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 4.0 | <!--Audio--> ALC1200 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero | <!--Chipset-->AMD X570 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> SupremeFX7.1 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel® I211-AT and Realtek® RTL8125-CG 2.5G LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Strix X570-I Gaming Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI MPG X570 Gaming Plus | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc1220 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Strix B550-i AM4 ITX Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 - |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue Jingyue B550i Gaming itx | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->3 with 1 nvme | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e 4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio alc | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit max of Ryzen 5500 (c t), 5600, 5600g (6c12t) - 2 ddr4 |- | <!--Name-->Asrock B550 PHANTOM GAMING ITX/AX | <!--Chipset-->AMD B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with alc1220 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|intel 2.5G}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AsRock B550M-ITX/ac | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC887 ALC897 Audio Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion-->2022 - 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->AsRock ASRock B550M-HDV | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme and sata3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC887 or ALC897 Audio Codec unknown | <!--USB-->usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek rtl8111h Gigabit LAN}} | <!--Opinion-->2022 - 2 ddr4 slots - 1 pcie x1 slot - |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG STRIX B550-A GAMING | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->PCIe Gen4 x4 & SATA3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio--> supremefx S1220A | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel® I225-V 2.5Gb}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte AMD B550I AORUS PRO AX Mini-ITX rev 1.0 | <!--Chipset-->AMD B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme pci-e3 with 4 sata3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC1220-VB codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek® 2.5GbE LAN}} | <!--Opinion-->2021 2 x DDR4 DIMM sockets 1Rx8/2Rx8/1Rx16 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE AX V2 ATX | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 DP and hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC1200 | <!--USB-->USB3 USB 3.2 Gen1 Type-C | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|2.5GbE LAN}} | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit- finer tuning than A520's - AMD Ryzen 5000 Series/ 3rd Gen Ryzen and 3rd Gen Ryzen with Radeon Graphics CPU - Dual Channel ECC/ Non-ECC Unbuffered DDR4, 4 DIMMs - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B550M DS3H mATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC887 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->realtek rtl8118 | <!--Opinion-->2021 64bit - 4 ddr4 dimms - |- | <!--Name-->MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS ATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB 3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen Processors - 4 dimm ddr4 - |- | <!--Name-->MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (up to Type 22110) and 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (Type 2242/2260/2280) | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 with dp and hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC1200 | <!--USB-->USB3 1 x USB 3.1 Type-C and 1 x USB 3.1 Type-A | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8125B and Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 4 Dimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue A520M-H mATX | <!--Chipset-->A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> old bios with random issues with APU ryzens - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte A520M S2H mATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 1GbE | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit Zen3 65W and up - 2 ddr4 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte A520I AC mITX mini-itx | <!--Chipset-->AMD A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit Zen3 65W and up 5600G (6c12t) or 5700G (8c16t) - 2 ddr4 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI A520M-A PRO mATX | <!--Chipset-->A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (Type 2242/2260/2280) | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 2 ddr4 dimm slots - 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen Desktop and AMD Ryzen 4000 G-Series CPU |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} ===== (Socket AM5 LGA1718 Zen4 Zen5 Zen6 2022/27)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asrock Steel Legend | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e rnda2 | <!--Audio-->HD audio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - ddr5 ecc (10 chip) and non-ecc (8 chips) 64Gb @ 6000Mhz or 128GB @ 4800Mhz - |- | <!--Name-->Asrock TaiChi | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e rnda2 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio | <!--USB-->USB4 with Thunderbolt 4 equivalent | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek killer E3000 2.5GbE}} | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - ddr5 ecc (10 chip) and non-ecc (8 chips) |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair Hero | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe rnda2 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->rnda3 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit 7950x3d 120W, 7900 7800 7600 90W |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->rnda3 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus B650E-I | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 5 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 - better sound with an actual AMP, PCIe 5, USB-C display outs - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MAXSUN AMD Challenger B650M WIFI M-ATX (aka Soyo) | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI b650i mini itx | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2023 - front panel connectors at the back of the board - dead rear nvme slot and a drained CMOS battery as the CMOS button being pressed during shipping - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M Zen4 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Zen5 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Zen6 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--ACPI--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Opinion-->2026 FP8 Zen 6 Medusa Point 4bigC, 4 econC, 2lpC, 8coreGPU - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--ACPI--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Opinion-->2026 FP10 Zen 6 Medusa Point 4bigC, 4 econC, 2lpC, 8coreGPU - |- |} ===== (Zen7 AM6 2027/3x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} ===== (Zen AM 203x/3x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} ====Intel Sockets==== [[#top|...to the top]] =====Socket 370 (2000/2)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Intel D815EEA | <!--Chipset-->866Mhz P3 and i815 chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia AGPx8 6200LE added}} | <!--Audio-->{{N/A}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|2 USB1.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested AspireOS 1.7, simple basic board with useful 5 PCI slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket 478 (2002/4)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://detail.zol.com.cn/motherboard/index46381.shtml&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dc.865pe.l%2Bmotherboard%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DsZB%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official Colorful Technology C.865PE-L Silver Fighter Warrior V2.3] | <!--Chipset-->865PE | <!--ACPI-->{{dunno| }} | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|tested with CDROM}} | <!--SATA-->{{dunno| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|AGP slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|ALC650 AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 1.1 and 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8100 8139}} | <!--Opinion-->Still testing with NB (Nightly Build) May 2013 |- | <!--Name-->Intel 845 | <!--Chipset-->865P | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{No|intel 800}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 AD1985}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|e1000}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested ICAROS 1.3 |- | <!--Name-->Intel 845 | <!--Chipset-->865GC | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{No|intel 865 Extreme Graphics 2}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 AD1985}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|e1000}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested ICAROS 1.3 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA775 s775 (2005/8)===== an industry standard DDR2 module could in theory contain fallback JEDEC, intel XMP and AMD EPP configuration data Intel PC CL5 ram modules but an "AMD" CL5 ram module the BIOS cannot read the AMD EPP info on the SPD (Serial Presence Detect) but can recognize the CL5 timing info in the JEDEC data table. PC BIOS auto configures for the AMD ram module and boots normally. an AMD PC CL6 ram modules but an "INTEL" CL6 ram module the BIOS cannot read the INTEL XMP info on the SPD but can recognize the CL6 timing info in JEDEC data table. PC BIOS auto configures for the AMD ram module and boots normally. an INTEL PC needs CL6 ram modules but have an "AMD" CL4 ram module. INTEL BIOS cannot read the AMD EPP info on the SPD but can recognize the CL4 timing info in JEDEC data table. PC BIOS recognizes module timings as incompatible an refuses to boot. entirely separate issue if the RAM module timing specs are incompatible.(i.e. CL4 RAM in a "CL6 only" PC) {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit AG8 | <!--Chipset-->P915 + ICH6R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA1 | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe x16 Slot | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8110S-32 | <!--Opinion-->2004 32bit - Firewire TI 4200R7T no |- | <!--Name-->MSI 915 Neo2 | <!--Chipset-->P915 + ICH6R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA1 | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe x16 Slot | <!--Audio-->CMI 9880L HD Audio | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcomm BCM5751 PCIe}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VIA VT6306 no |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5GC P5GC-MX | <!--Chipset-->P945GC Lakeport-GC + ICH7R northbridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 3.0 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe 1.1 slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|atheros L2}} | <!--Opinion-->2005 32bit - 3 pci slots - 4 x 240-pin DIMM Sockets max. 4GB DDR2 667/533 non-ECC - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn PC45CM-SA 45CM-S | <!--Chipset-->945GC with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 sata2 ports | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|pcie 1.0 slot with gma950 integrated}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with aLC883 codec playback}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|realtek 8139 8100sc}} | <!--Opinion-->2 dimm slots 667mhz max 4gb - can be found in Advent desktops - 2 pci-e and 2 pci - core 2 duo only e6xxx - Micro ATX (9.6” x 8.8”) - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-81945GM MFY-RH | <!--Chipset-->Intel® 945GM Express with ICH7M-DH | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA950 VGA15 and PCI-e 1.0 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC880 codec playback only rear port}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 usb 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO1000PL 82573L Gigabit Ethernet}} | <!--Opinion-->2006 MoDT term “Mobile on DeskTop.”, low TDP CPUs to work on desktop form-factor motherboards. mATX Micro ATX 24.4cm x 24.4cm - 2 DDR2 dimm 1.8v slots with 4Gb max - will not boot if PCI2 slot occupied - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-945 GCM S2C | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662 (1.x)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|8101E Rtl 8169 (1.x)}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA945-GCM S2L | <!--Chipset-->945GC with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCi-E slot | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with ALC662 codec 2/4/5.1-channel (1.x)}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111c 8169 (1.x)}} | <!--Opinion-->2 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM 4GB DDR2 memory max - 2 PCI-e and 2 PCI - Micro ATX form factor; 24.4cm x 19.3cm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 945P Neo-F rev 1.0 | <!--Chipset-->P945 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCie 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC662 HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->8110SC (rtl8169) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 945P Neo2-F rev 1.2 | <!--Chipset-->P945 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCie 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC850 AC97 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->8110SC (rtl8169) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-P31-DS3L | <!--Chipset-->P31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCI Express x16 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111B | <!--Opinion-->DDR2 800Mhz up to 4Gb 4 x 240 pin - 3 PCI - ATX 12.0" x 8.3" - |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5KPL-AM /PS | <!--Chipset-->G31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->4 xSATA 3 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 1.1 with integrated Intel® GMA 3100 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT1708B with ALC662 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8102EL 100/10 LAN with Realtek RTL8111C Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion-->2 x 2 GB DDR2 Non-ECC,Un-buffered DIMMs with 2 PCI - Intel Graphics Media Accelerator - |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5KPL/EPU | <!--Chipset-->G31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Pci-e 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8169 Realtek 8111C}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested - 4 240-pin DIMM, Max. 4 GB - 4 pci-e and 3 pci - ATX Form Factor 12 inch x 8.2 inch ( 30.5 cm x 20.8 cm ) - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G31M ES2L | <!--Chipset-->G31 plus ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3100 2d}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC883 (1.x), ALC883/888B (2.x)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|RTL8111C (1.x), Atheros 8131 (2.x)}} | <!--Opinion-->reduces DRAM capacity to 4GB |- | <!--Name-->ASRock G31M-S r1.0 G31M-GS | <!--Chipset-->G31 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 3100 2d not 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{partial|rtl8169 RTL8111DL 8169 (for -GS) RTL8102EL (for -S)}} | <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit Core2 - 2 DDR2 800 max 8Gig AMI bios MicroATX - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock G31M-S r2.0 | <!--Chipset-->G31 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 3100 2d not 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8111DL 8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit core2 - 2 DDR2 800 max 8Gig MicroATX |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/apac/eng/products/desktop/bdb/dg31pr/feature/index.htm Intel DG31PR] | <!--Chipset-->iG31 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|3100 but can use PCIe 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 playback}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111B Rtl 8169}} | <!--Opinion-->good support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Intel G33 Express Chipset with ich9 southbridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Intel 3100 powervr tile based | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit - embedded on Core 2 Quad, Core 2 Duo, Pentium Dual-Core CPUS with Integrated GPU Intel GMA 3100 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS P5G41T-M LX | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH8 + DDR3 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|X4500 some 2d only)}} | <!--Audio-->ALC887 | <!--USB-->3 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros L1c AR8131}} | <!--Opinion-->reduces maximum supported memory ddr3 from 16 to 8GB 2 dimm slots non-EEC - demotes the PCIe controller mode from revision 2.0 (5.0GT/s) to revision 1.1 (2.5GT/s |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT S2 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->VT1708S (1.3), ALC887-VD2 (1.4), ALC887 (2.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Atheros AR8151 l1c (1.x 2.x), | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT S2PT | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC887 (1.0), VIA (2.0), ALC887 (2.1) | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8111E (1.x), Atheros AR8151 l1c (2.1), | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT D3 | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 Port | <!--SATA-->4 Ports | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA X4500 2d only and pci-e 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888B}} | <!--USB-->4 ports + headers | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111 D/E}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-P41T D3P | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH7 with Intel Core 2 Duo (E6xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4ports | <!--Gfx-->GMA X4500 2d | <!--Audio-->ALC888 889/892 | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8111C or D/E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Intel DG41AN Classic | <!--Chipset-->iG41 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx-->X4500 2d | <!--Audio-->ALC888S ALC888VC | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->AsRock P5B-DE | <!--Chipset-->P965 + ICH8 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|works ide legacy}} |<!--Gfx-->{{Yes|with PCI-E 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio via VT1708S}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2006 works well |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5B SE | <!--Chipset-->965 intel | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->works well except ethernet |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5W DH Deluxe P5WDG2 WS PRO | <!--Chipset-->975X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->2 ports | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC882 AND LATER ADI 1988B | <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8052 88E8053}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI TSB43AB22A no |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit IP35 | <!--Chipset-->P35 Express + ICH9R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC888 HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->two RTL8110SC | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Texas TSB43 AB22A no |- | <!--Name-->MSI P35 Neo F FL MS-7630 rev 1 | <!--Chipset-->Intel P35 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 1.1 support | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC888 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->Base model of this range of P35 mobos |- | <!--Name-->GA-P35-DS3 | <!--Chipset-->P35 and ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC889A codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111B | <!--Opinion-->2008 - 4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets max 8 GB - |- | <!--Name-->GA-EP35-DS3 (rev. 2.1) | <!--Chipset-->Intel® P35 + ICH9 Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk|}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|4 }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{unk|Realtek ALC889A codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes | }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8111B}} | <!--Opinion-->good |- | <!--Name-->Abit IX38 Quad GT | <!--Chipset-->X38 / ICH9R Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCI-E 2.0 slot | <!--Audio--> HD Audio ALC888 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8110SC 8169SC | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Texas TSB 43AB22A no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte X38-DQ6 | <!--Chipset-->X38 / ICH9R Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCI-E 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC889A HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->twin 8111B 8169 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-EP45 DS3 (2008) | <!--Chipset-->P45 + ICH9 or ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s (SATAII0, SATAII1, SATAII2, SATAII3, SATAII4, SATAII5) | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E v2.0 x16 slots support splitting its 16 PCIe 2.0 lanes across two cards at x8 transfers | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 or ALC889A codec | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->2 x Realtek 8111C chips (10/100 /1000 Mbit) | <!--Opinion-->4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets non-EEC |- | <!--Name-->MSI P45 Platinum (2008) | <!--Chipset-->P45 + ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 sata2 ports | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E x16 v2.0 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC888 HD Audio | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->G45 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->adds Intel’s GMA X4500HD graphics engine to P45 Express features | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->G43 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GMA X4500 2d | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->removes HD video acceleration from the G45’s features |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5E Deluxe | <!--Chipset--> X48 with ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ADI 1988B codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Marvell 88E8001 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GigaByte GA-X48 DQ6 | <!--Chipset-->X48 plus ICH9R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->8 ports | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E x16 v2.0 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC889A | <!--USB-->8 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8111B 8169 | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TSB43AB23 no - ICH9 pairs with Intel’s 3-series (X38, P35, etc.) chipsets, in addition to the X48 Express, but excluding the G35 Express |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte EP43-DS3L and Gigabyte GA-EP43-UD3L | <!--Chipset-->P43 with ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s connectors | <!--Gfx-->1 x PCI Express x16 slot PCI Express 2.0 standard | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8111C | <!--Opinion-->4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets - 4 pcie x1 - 2 pci - ATX Form Factor; 30.5cm x 21.0cm |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte 73-pvm-s2h rev.1.0 | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA GeForce 7100 nForce 630i | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1 port}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|3 ports SATA2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d GeForce 7100 (vga /hdmi/dvi), 1 PCIe x16 Slot }} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC889A MCP73}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|7 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL 8211B MCP73}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Not, tested with Icaros Desktop 2.0.3 MCP73 is a single chip solution in three different versions |- | <!--Name-->Nvidia 7150 630i | <!--Chipset-->intel based nForce 630i (MCP73) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--GFX-->GF 7150 | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD AUDIO ALC883}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|ohci echi}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201C}} | <!--Opinion-->being tested |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 x16 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> the MCP73PV or the GeForce 7050/nForce 630i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->the MCP73S or the GeForce7025/nForce 630i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->the MCP73V or the GeForce 7025/nForce 610i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Atom SOC (2008/2x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->D945CLF | <!--Chipset-->N230 single core | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA945}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} Skt 441 | <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion-->works very well |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.clusteruk.com iMica D945GCKF2 mobo] | <!--Chipset-->Intel Atom N330 Dual Core | <!--ACPI-->wip | <!--IDE-->{{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|gma}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD AUDIO}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->D945GSEJT + Morex T1610 | <!--Chipset-->Atom 230 with 945GSE | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA900 vga but issues with DVI output}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->small size, runs off 12V |- | <!--Name-->ASUS AT3N7A-I | <!--Chipset-->Atom N330 Nvidia ION | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|3 ports legacy IDE}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|nouveau cube cube 2 45 quake 3 }} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with VIA 1708S codec playback}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 device}} | <!--Opinion--><ref>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAiJpvu73iw</ref> good but can freeze randomly at times |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->D410PT 45nm pinetrail | <!--Chipset-->D410 and NM10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA3150}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC262 or ALC66x odd clicks}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->45nm pinetrail | <!--Chipset-->D510 and NM10 + GMA3150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GMA3150 | <!--Audio-->ALC888B or ALC66x | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8111DL | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-D525TUD (rev. 1.0 1.2 1.5) | <!--Chipset-->D525 NM10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->gma 3150 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111f | <!--Opinion-->2012 64 - 2 ddr3 dimm slots max 8g - Mini-ITX Form Factor; 17.0cm x 17.0cm - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- |} =====Socket 1366 (2009/10)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P6T DELUXE | <!--Chipset-->x58 + ICH10 and Intel 1st gen. (Nehalem/Lynnfield) Core i7 (8xx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|1 port}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 (r2.0) slots | <!--Audio-->ADI AD2000B HD Audio | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8056 Gigabit}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VIA VT6308 no |- | <!--Name-->gigabyte ex58 ds | <!--Chipset--> x58 + ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111D rtl8169 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket 1156 (2010)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire M3910 | <!--Chipset-->i3 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{unk| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA intel HD}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk| Realtek}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H | <!--Chipset-->H55 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|ALCxxx playback}} ALC888B (Rev1.x) | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8111D}} (Rev 1.x) | <!--Opinion-->Tested but no support for WLAN Realtek 8188su |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H55M-E33 v1.0 | <!--Chipset-->E7636 M7636 H55 chipset so older i3/i5/i7 system | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC889}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|PCI-E Realtek 8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->Works well |- | <!--Name-->Asus P7P55D | <!--Chipset-->P55 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{unk| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe | via codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe |rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111B/C RTL8112L }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1155 H2 (2010/13)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS P8H61-I LX R2.0 | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio via7018s codec}} | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111f}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit up to intel ivybridge cpus - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8H61-I/RM/SI mini-itx | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2 | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio via7018s codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111f}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit up to i3-2010 - OEM board from an RM machine but not ivybridge as the Asus BIOS isn't compatible with these, 0909 hacked one might work - |- | <!--Name-->asus p8h61-i lx r2.0/rm/si mini itx | <!--Chipset-->h61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with VIA codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 sandy and ivy - oem from rm machine 2 x 240-Pin DDR3 DIMM sockets max DDR3 1333MHz - |- | <!--Name-->‎Bewinner 63q9c7omvs V301 ITX | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata with nvme | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8106E 100M Network Card | <!--Opinion-->2022 64 |- | <!--Name-->Biostar H61 H61MHV2 H61MHV3 Ver. 7.0 | <!--Chipset-->H61 with Intel Pentium G 2xxx series CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC662 later ALC897 | <!--USB-->4 usb2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2014 - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H61M-D2-B3 | <!--Chipset-->H61 + Sandybridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 | <!--USB-->2 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H61MA-D3V | <!--Chipset-->H61 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Maybe HDAudio with Realtek ALC887 (Rev 2.0) ALC887 (Rev2.1) | <!--USB-->2 USB 2.0/1.1 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H61N-D2V | <!--Chipset-->H61 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata2 and maybe 4 sata3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 slot wit 1 x DVI-I port | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC887 (Rev 1.0)}} | <!--USB-->2 USB 2.0/1.1 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit- 2 x 1.5V DDR3 DIMM sockets up to 16 GB - |- | <!--Name-->GA-H61M-S2PV | <!--Chipset-->H61 with 2400k 2500k 2600k 2700k | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC887 (rev 1.0 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3) | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Rtl811E (1.0) 8151 (2.0) Rtl8111F (2.1 2.2 2.3) | <!--Opinion-->Micro ATX Form Factor; 24.4cm x 20cm with 2 pci-e and 2 pci - |- | <!--Name-->Intel Classic Series DH61CR Desktop | <!--Chipset-->H61 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82579V}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H61M-P20 (G3) MS-7788 *retail MSI board *OEM Advent, etc | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|four SATAII ports}} | <!--Gfx-->1 PCI Express gen3 (retail) gen2 (oem) x16 slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8105E 100M Network Card}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - 22.6cm(L) x 17.3cm(W) M-ATX Form Factor - BIOS - [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1149&rowstart=140&pid=6009#post_6007 works well], |- | <!--Name-->MSI H61I-E35 (B3) MS-7677 Ver.1.2 | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata2 3gbps | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for hdmi and 1 pcie 2.0 x1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1149&rowstart=140&pid=5861#post_5861 works}} | <!--USB-->USB3 and USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 rtl8111e}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8H67-M | <!--Chipset-->H67 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata3 - 4 sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC887 | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8P67 | <!--Chipset-->P67 with sandybridge and ivybridge cpus | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169 realtek rtl8111}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8Z68-V LX | <!--Chipset-->Z68 + Intel 2nd generation (Sandy Bridge) CPU and possibly ivybridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|2 sata3 - 4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio Intel HD with ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB3.0 - 4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek® 8111E}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit SSE 4.1 and AVX - EFI bios - 4 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Z68AP-D3 (B3) | <!--Chipset-->Z68 + Ivybridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata3 - 4 sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC889 | <!--USB-->2 USB3.0 - 4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus B75M-A | <!--Chipset-->B75 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ® ALC887-VD codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek ® 8111F-VB-CG }} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->H77 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H77-D3H 1.0 1.1 | <!--Chipset-->H77 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata 3.0 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio VIA VT2021 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros GbE LAN chip}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit i5 3550 7 3770 - 4 DDR3 slots - 2 full pci-e 2 pci slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA Z77 D3H with i3 3225 dual | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio VIA VT2021 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros GbE LAN chip}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1150 H3 (2013/2016)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/asus-b85m-e-rev-1-02 Asus B85M-E] | <!--Chipset-->B85 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ® ALC887-VD2 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{no| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8111F}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H87N-WIFI mITX | <!--Chipset-->H87 and Intel 4th generation (Haswell) Core i5 (4xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel Atheros | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS H81I-PLUS Mini ITX | <!--Chipset-->H81 with intel 4590t 4690t | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata3 6gbps | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 x4 slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio 6.34 with ALC8878 codec playback only}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB3 USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 rtl8111g}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 2 ddr3 dimm slots max 16gb - f2 or DEL bios and f8 boot select - |- | <!--Name-->Asus H81M-C H81M-P-SI | <!--Chipset-->H81 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 (4xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2x3g 2x6g | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->hdaudio alc887 vd | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8111gr | <!--Opinion-->2013 skt 1150 - 2 ddr3 max 16g - mini atx - |- | <!--Name-->Asus H81T | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->HD4000 igpu only | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887-VD | <!--USB-->Intel USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit intel 4th gen mini itx - external dc brick with 19v rare barrel pin 7.4MM x 5.0MM - 2 ddr3 laptop sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H81M-S2V | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® GbE LAN chip | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit up to i7 4790K - 2 DDR3 slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H81M-D3V (rev. 1.0) | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|2 sata2 2 sata3 }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{unk| HDAudio Realtek® ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|intel and VIA® VL805}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169 Realtek }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H81M-E34 (MS-7817) | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 2.0 x16 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8111G}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Z87-K | <!--Chipset-->Z87 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 4c8t i5 4c4t CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H | <!--Chipset-->Z87 Express | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with Realtek® ALC898 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA H97M D3H r1.0 r1.1 with i3 4360 or 4370 dual | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Z97 A with i7 4790K | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->750, 960, 970 and 980 nvidia GTX cards | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan ethernet | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA Z97X UD3H rev1.0 1.1 1.2 | <!--Chipset-->Z97 with i5 4690K | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC1150 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI GAMING 5 Z97 | <!--Chipset-->Z97 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 4c8t CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS Q87M-E | <!--Chipset-->Q87 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 4 DDR3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->H99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA2011V2 s2011-2 (2012/15)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x79 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2013 Xeon e5-???? W TDP, e5-2667V2 W TDP, e5-????V2 W TDP, Sandybridge and Ivybridge V2 |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset-->X79 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA2011V3 s2011-3 (2015/18)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2016 Xeon e5-1620v3 130W TDP, e5-1650V3 (i7-5930K) 140W TDP, e5-2640V3 90W TDP, Haswell-EP |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset-->X99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->most cheap Ryzens are better nowadays |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Huananzhi X99-CD4 | <!--Chipset-->Intel C612 and X99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata 3 connectors and 1 m.2 nvme slot | <!--Gfx-->pcie slot | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC897 codec | <!--USB-->{{No|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2024 quality might not be great outside of a simple setup - 2 ddr4 dimms - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Keyiyou X99 XD4 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Machinist MR9A Pro | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Machinist MR9A Pro | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Mogul | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Qiyida X99 H9S | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Soyo | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1151 Socket H4 (2015/2018)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->Skylake CPUs have TPM 2.0 embedded |- | <!--Name-->Asus H110 Plus H110M-A/DP | <!--Chipset--> with 6th Gen Core and 7th with bios update | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sunrise Point-H SATA [AHCI mode] [8086 a102] | <!--Gfx-->{{No|Skylake Integrated HD Graphics use PIC-E slot}} | <!--Audio-->Intel HD Audio with Realtek ALC887 Audio CODEC | <!--USB-->Sunrise Point-H USB 3.0 xHCI [8086: a12f] no usb2.0 fallback | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111GR or 8111H RTL8111 8168 8411}} | <!--Opinion-->ATX with 3 pci-e and 2 DDR4 slots - uatx version smaller - turn off TLSF as it was causing AHI driver to corrupt. Turned off ACPI for errors but works fine once booted - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS H110M-R M-ATX | <!--Chipset-->H110 6th Gen Skylake Core™ i7 Core™ 6950X i7-6970HQ i7-6700K 4c8t hyperthreading, i5/Core™ i5-6600K 4c4t i3/Pentium® / Celeron® | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 x SATA 6Gb/s | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek® ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->Intel USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2016 64bit - 2 DDR4 DIMMS Max 32GB 2133MHz - 1 full pci-e and 2 pci-e 1 - |- | <!--Name-->Asus H110T | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->intel igpu only | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Dual Intel/Realtek GbE languard | <!--Opinion-->2016 - mini itx 12v / 19v laptop type rare barrel pin 7.4MM x 5.0MM - 2 sodimm ddr4 slots - no pci-e slot - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H110M-S2H MATX Rev1.0 | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->2 (USB 3.1 Gen 1) ports with 4 us2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® GbE LAN | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte ga-h110n | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| sata}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d for Intel or PCI-e slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HDaudio for ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2016 mini-itx 6th gen |- | <!--Name-->Msi H110M-PRO-VH | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 x SATA 6Gb/s | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio--> Realtek® ALC887 Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111h | <!--Opinion--> 6th gen intel - 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus H170 Pro Gaming | <!--Chipset-->H170 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->Asmedia USB3.1/3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI Z170A TOMAHAWK | <!--Chipset-->Z170 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sara, 1 x 2280 Key M(PCIe Gen3 x4/SATA), 1 x 2230 Key E(Wi-Fi) | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan | <!--Opinion-->2016 64bit up to i7 7700k - 2 DDR4 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GIGABYTE GA-B250M-DS3H HD3P D3H D2V | <!--Chipset-->B250 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2018 coffee lake intel 8th gen |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> with Kaby Lake X Intel 7th Gen | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> Z390 with Kaby Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Q370M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> H370M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> B360M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Rampage | <!--Chipset-->x299 with i9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> - up to 24 to 44 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte | <!--Chipset--X299 > | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket LGA 1200 (2020/2022)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI H510M-A PRO (MS-7D22) | <!--Chipset--> with 10th gen Comet Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 64bit - up to 16 pcie lanes rebar possible |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME H410M-E Asrock H470M-HDV/M.2 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> with 11th gen Rocket Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket LGA 1700 (2023/ )===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Alder Lake / 14th gen Raptor Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 2022 64bit - QoS work to 2 level cpus, P down to E cores - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Meteor Lake ultra 5 7 1xxH series 1 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 2024 64bit 10nm - 3 level cpus, Low Power Island (SOC tile) to E onto P cores - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> 15th gen Arrow Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Lunar lake ultra 5 7 2xxV series 2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2025 64bit 7nm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Nova Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2026 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Panther Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2026 64bit - either 44, 484, or 448 tiled cores 18A process - core ultra x9 288h, x7 358H, - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1954 (2027/ )===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Nova Lake-S | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Serpent Lake, Titan Lake, and Razer Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2027 |- |} =====Socket LGA (203x/203x)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} ===Chromebooks=== For most (EOL) cromebooks, the recommended UEFI path forward is to: *put the device into Developer Mode *disable firmware write protection *flash MrChromebox's UEFI Full ROM firmware *install ChromeOS Flex, Linux, etc See [https://mrchromebox.tech/#home MrChrome], [https://mrchromebox.tech MrChrome] and the [https://www.reddit.com/r/chrultrabook/ chrultrabook subreddit] for more info ChromeOS has several different boot modes, which are important to understand in the context of modifying your device to run an alternate OS: *Normal/Verified Boot Mode Can only boot Google-signed ChromeOS images Full verification of firmware and OS kernel No root access to the system, no ability to run Linux or boot other OSes Automatically enters Recovery Mode if any step of Verified Boot fails Default / out-of-the-box setting for all ChromeOS devices *Recovery Mode User presented with Recovery Mode boot screen (white screen with 'ChromeOS is missing or damaged') Boots only USB/SD with signed Google recovery image Automatically entered when Verified Boot Mode fails Can be manually invoked: On Chromebooks, via keystroke: [ESC+Refresh+Power] On Chromeboxes, by pressing a physical recovery button at power-on On Convertibles/Tablets, by holding the Power, Vol+, and Vol- buttons for 10s and then release Allows for transition from Verified Boot Mode to Developer Mode On Chromebooks/Chromeboxes, via keystroke: [CTRL+D] On Convertibles/Tablets, via button press: Vol+/Vol- simultaneously Booting recovery media on USB/SD will repartition/reformat internal storage and reload ChromeOS Note: The ChromeOS recovery process does not reset the firmware boot flags (GBB Flags), so if those are changed from the default, they will still need to be reset for factory default post-recovery. *Developer Mode "Jailbreak" mode built-in to every ChromeOS device Loosened security restrictions, allows root/shell access, ability to run Linux via crouton Verified Boot (signature checking) disabled by default, but can be re-enabled Enabled via [CTRL+D] on the Recovery Mode boot screen Boots to the developer mode boot screen (white screen with 'OS verification is off' text), The user can select via keystroke <pre> ChromeOS (in developer mode) on internal storage ( [CTRL+D] ) ChromeOS/ChromiumOS on USB ( [CTRL+U] ) Legacy Boot Mode ( [CTRL+L] ) </pre> Boot screen displays the ChromeOS device/board name in the hardware ID string (eg, PANTHER F5U-C92, which is useful to know in the context of device recovery, firmware support, or in determining what steps are required to install a given alternate OS on the device. *Legacy Boot Mode Unsupported method for booting alternate OSes (Linux, Windows) via the SeaBIOS RW_LEGACY firmware Accessed via [CTRL+L] on the developer mode boot screen Requires explicit enabling in Developer Mode via command line: sudo crossystem dev_boot_legacy=1 Most ChromeOS devices require a RW_LEGACY firmware update first Boots to the (black) SeaBIOS splash screen; if multiple boot devices are available, prompt shows the boot menu Note: If you hear two beeps after pressing [CTRL+L], then either your device doesn't have a valid Legacy Boot Mode / RW_LEGACY firmware installed, or legacy boot capability has not been been enabled via crossystem. https://www.howtogeek.com/278953/how-to-install-windows-on-a-chromebook/ Chromebooks don’t officially support other OSs. You normally can’t even install as Chromebooks ship with a special type of BIOS designed for Chrome OS. But there are ways to install, if you’re willing to get your hands dirty and potentially ruin everything [https://mrchromebox.tech/#devices Firmware Compatibility] [https://wiki.galliumos.org/Hardware_Compatibility Here is the list of hardware that the GalliumOS supports and information on getting Gallium OS on to those devices] Development on GalliumOS has been discontinued, and for most users, GalliumOS is not the best option for running Linux due to lack of hardware support or a kernel that's out of date and lacking important security fixes. Meet Eupnea and Depthboot, the successors to Galliumos and Breath [https://eupnea-linux.github.io This is the bleeding edge] Most older Chromebooks need the write-protect screw removed in order to install MrChromebox's firmware that allows you to install other operating systems. Most newer Chromebooks don't work in the same way as there is no write-protect screw on them. Very rough guide to '''total''' (i.e. all cores / threads) processor performance (AROS usually uses only the [https://gmplib.org/gmpbench one core]) [[#top|...to the top]] <pre> 060000 AMD Ryzen 9 7900X (AM5 170W), 056000 AMD Ryzen 9 5950X, 055000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900X3D, 053000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900X (AM4 105W), AMD Ryzen 9 3950X (105W), 044000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 042000 AMD Ryzen 9 6900HX, AMD Ryzen 5 5600X3D (AM4 95W), AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 5750GE (AM4 35W), 039000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900HS, Intel Core i7-12700T, AMD Ryzen 7 7735HS (8c16t 45W), AMD 8840U, 038000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800H (FP6 45W), AMD Ryzen 7 6800U, Intel Core i5-12490F, Intel Core i5-12500E, 037000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800HS (FP6 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 8500G 8600GE (AM5 6c12t 35W), AMD Ryzen Z2 (8c16t), 036500 AMD Ryzen 7 5700G (AM4 8c16t 65W), AMD Ryzen 9 6900HS, Intel Core i7-12800H, 036200 AMD Ryzen 7 5700GE (AM4 8c16t 35W), AMD Ryzen Z1 Extreme (top TDP), AMD Ryzen 5 8600G (AM5 65W), 036000 AMD Ryzen 5 3600X (Am4 95W), AMD Ryzen 5 5500 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 5600 (65W), 035000 AMD Ryzen 5 6600H, Intel Core i5-12400F, 031000 AMD Ryzen™ 9 8945HS, Ryzen™ 7 8845HS, AMD Ryzen 7 7840U, 030000 AMD Ryzen 7 4800U, AMD Ryzen 4800H, Intel Core i5-11400F, Intel Zeon E5-2697A V4, 029500 AMD Ryzen 5 4500 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3600 (65W), Apple M3 Pro 12c, 029000 AMD Ryzen 5 4600G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 1700X (AM4 95W), 028500 AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5675U, AMD Ryzen 7 1700 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 7 2700 (65W), Ryzen 3 7540U, 028000 AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5650U, 5 5560U (FP6 25W 6c12t Zen3), Intel Core i5-13500H, AMD Ryzen 7 4800HS, 027700 AMD Ryzen 9 PRO 7940HS (FP8 65W), AMD 8745HS, AMD Ryzen H255 AI, AMD Ryzen 3 7545U, 027500 AMD Ryzen 3 7736U, AMD Ryzen 5 7640U, 027400 AMD Ryzen 5 8540U, AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5650GE (AM4 6c12t 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650G (AM4 45W), 027300 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 4750GE, AMD Ryzen 5 5600H, AMD Ryzen 7 5825U (FP6 8c16t 15W), 027200 AMD Ryzen 5 6600U, AMD Ryzen 7 2700X, AMD Ryzen 5 5600GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen Z1, 027100 AMD Ryzen 7 7730U (FP6 15W 8c16t), AMD Ryzen 7 5800U (FP6 25W 8c16t), Ryzen 9 4900H, 027000 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 4750U (8c16t), Ryzen 5 7430U (FP6 6c12t), Ryzen 5 PRO 6650U, Intel 10500H, 026500 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 7840HS (FP7 65W), AMD Ryzen 7 8840HS, AMD Ryzen Z2 Extreme, 025000 AMD Ryzen 5 5600U (FP6 25W hot 6c12t Zen3), AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (65W), Ryzen 5 7530U, 024500 AMD Ryzen 5 4600HS (FP6 35W 6c12t), Apple M1 Pro, AMD Ryzen 5 5625U (FP6 15W 6c12t), 023700 AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 5350GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 3500X (AM4 95W), Intel Core i7-9700, 023500 AMD Ryzen 5 1600X (95W), AMD Ryzen 3 5300GE (AM4 4c8t 35W), AMD Ryzen 7 5700U (FP6 25W 8c16t Zen2), 023200 AMD Ryzen 3 7330U (FP6 15W 4c8t), AMD Ryzen 7 4700U (FP6 25W 8c8t), AMD Ryzen 5 4400G, 023000 Intel Core i7-1255U, Intel Core i7 13700H, Ryzen 7640HS, 022000 AMD Ryzen Z2 Go (4c8t), AMD Ryzen 5 5500U (FP6 25W 6c12t Zen2), Snapdragon 8 Elite, 020500 AMD Ryzen 3 4300G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 3 5450U 5425U, AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650U (6c12t), 019500 Intel Core i5-1135G7, AMD Ryzen 5 5500H, AMD Ryzen 5 4600U (FP6 25W 6c), AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (65W), 019250 Intel Core i5-1145G7, 019000 AMD Ryzen 5 3400G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 2500X, AMD Ryzen 5 7520U, AMD Ryzen V3C18I (? 15W), 017750 AMD Ryzen 5 3400GE (AM4 35W), Intel Core i5-8400, AMD Ryzen 5 1500X (AM4 65W), Xbox One Series X, 017500 Intel Core i7-6700K, Intel i5-10400, AMD Ryzen 5 4500U (FP6 25W 6c6t), AMD Ryzen 3 5400U, 017000 AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 3 5300U (FP6 25W 4c8t), Intel Core i5-11300H, 016500 AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, AMD Ryzen Embedded V1756B (FP5 45W), AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 4200GE, SD G3 Gen3, 016250 Intel Core i5-1035G7, intel core i5 7600 (4c4t 65W), 016000 AMD Ryzen 5 2400G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3550H, Ryzen 5 PRO 3350GE (4c 8t), Intel Core i5-8500T, 015500 AMD Ryzen Embedded R2544, 015000 AMD Ryzen 3 7320U, Ryzen 7 3700U, Ryzen 3200G (AM4 65W), Intel Core i7-8550U, Intel Core i5-1035G1, 014000 AMD Ryzen 5 2400GE (AM4 35W), Intel Core i7-6700T, AMD Ryzen 5 3550U, 013500 AMD Ryzen 5 3500U (FP5 15W 4c8t), AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, AMD Athlon Gold 4150GE, AMD Ryzen 5 3450U, 013250 AMD Ryzen 3 3200GE (AM4 45W), AMD Ryzen 3 1300X (65W), AMD Ryzen 3 2200G, Xbox One Series S, 013000 AMD Ryzen Embedded V1605B (FP5 25W), AMD Ryzen 2700U, AMD Ryzen R2514, 012500 AMD Ryzen 5 2500U (FP5 25W 4c8t), Intel Core i3-8300T, Intel Xeon X5680, Intel i3-1115G4 (2c4t), 012300 Intel Core i7-8565U, Intel Core i5-8350U, Intel Core i7-8700, Allwinner A733 (2 A76, 6 A55), 012200 ARM Cortex-X3 Prime Snapdragon SD8G2 Gen2 4nm 64-bit Kryo CPU, i5-8250U (4c8t), 012000 AMD Ryzen 3 2200GE, AMD Ryzen 3 1200 (65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3500C, 011500 AMD Ryzen 3 3300U, Intel Core i3-8100T, Intel Core i5-8265U, Intel i5-10210U, CORE i5-10310U, 010500 AMD Ryzen 3 2300U (FP5 25W 4c4t), Allwinner A527 (8 A55), Intel i5 4690K, 010300 Intel Core i7-3630QM, Intel Core i5-6600T, Intel Core i5-4670K, 010200 Intel Core i5-6440HQ, Intel Core i7-3610QM, Snapdragon SD865, 010000 AMD FX-8320E (AM3+ 125W 8c8t), Intel Core i5-7500T, Intel Core i5-4690, Intel i5 4690T, 009000 Spectrum Unisoc Tiger T7280 (T620), Cortex-X2, MediaTek Dimensity 1300 (4 A78, 4 A55), 008700 AMD FX-6130 (AM3+ 90W 6c6t), Intel Core i5-7400T, Intel Core i5-4590T, 008500 Intel Core i5-6500T, AMD Athlon 300GE (AM4, 35W), AMD Athlon Gold 7220U, 008000 AMD Ryzen R1606G (FP5 15W), AMD FX-6300 (AM3 65W 6c6t), Intel Core i5-2500K, 007500 AMD Ryzen 3 3200U, AMD Ryzen 3 3250U, Intel Alderlake ULX N100 / N95, 007200 AMD Ryzen 3 2200U (FP5 25W 2c4t), Intel Core i3-7100T, Intel Twinlakes N150 N200, Xbox(TM) One S, 007100 AMD Ryzen R1505G (FP5, 15W), RK3576 4 A72, 4 A53, Snapdragon XR2 Gen 1, Intel i7-6600U and 7600U, 006600 Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 5G, AMD Athlon 300U (FP5 2c4t 15W), Intel Core i7-7500U, AMD V1202B, 006500 Intel Core i7-6500U, AMD Athlon Gold 3150U, Intel Celeron N5105 (FCBGA1338 15W), SD 685, 006300 Intel Core i3-8130U (15W), Intel Celeron N5095 (FCBGA1338 15W), Intel Core i3-6100T, 006100 Intel Core i5-6300U, Intel Core i5-7200U (2c4t), Intel i7-5500U, Intel Core i7-6600U (2c4t), 006000 Intel Core i5-6200U (2c4t), Intel Core i3-7130U, Intel i7-4500U, Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 4G, 005950 Intel Core i5-4570T, Intel Core i5-5257U, Rockchip RK3588 (4 A76, 4 A55), Snapdragon 7325, 005900 Intel Xeon X5550, Intel Core i5-4300M, MediaTek Dimensity 1200 (4 A78, 4 A55), Unisoc 7255 (T616), 005800 Intel Celeron J4125 J4105 (FCBGA1090 15W), Intel Core i5-3470T, AMD A8-6600K APU, AMD 3015E (2c4t), 005600 Intel Core i5-3360M, Intel Core i7-3520M, Intel Core i5-4210M, Intel Pentium G4600T, 005400 MediaTek Dimensity 900 (2 A78, 6 A55), AMD Athlon Silver 7120U, Snapdragon 860, 005300 AMD PRO A12-9800B 7th Gen APU (FP4 15W), AMD FX-4300 4c4t, AMD Ryzen R1305G, 005250 Intel Core i5-3230M, AMD FX-7600P, Intel Pentium G4400, Unisoc T7200 (Unisoc T606 2 A76, 6 A55), 005200 AMD PRO A10-8770E, AMD A10-9700E, AMD PRO A10-9700B (FP4 15W), Intel Core i3-4130T, 005100 AMD RX-427BB (FP3 15W), AMD A10-9620P, AMD A12-9720P, Intel Core i3-8145U, AMD A12-9830B, 005050 AMD A8-5500 (FM2 65W), AMD A10 PRO-7800B APU, Intel Pentium Silver N5000, Intel Core i7-5500U, 005000 Intel Core i5-5300U, Intel Core i5-3320M (2c4t), Intel Core i5-5350U, Unisoc T618 (2 A73 6 A53), 004900 Intel Core i5-4300U, Intel Core i5-5200U, Intel Core i3-4100M, Snapdragon 662 (SM6115), 004860 Intel Core i7-2620M, Intel Core i7-2640M, AMD Athlon Silver 3050U 3050e, Intel i3-7020U, 004650 Intel Core i5-2520M (2c4t), Intel Core i5-3210M, AMD A10-9600P (FP4 4c 15W), Pentium 4415U, 004625 Intel Core i3-7100U (FCBGA1356 15W), ARM A76 RK3588S, AMD A10-6800B APU, 004600 AMD PRO A8-9600B, AMD PRO A12-8830B, AMD PRO A10-8730B, AMD A12-9700P, Intel Core i3-6100U, 004200 AMD A10-8700P A8-8600P, Intel Core i5-4200U, Intel Core i5-2540M, Intel i3-6006U, Intel i3-4150T, 004000 Intel Core i5-2430M, AMD PRO A8-8600B, AMD 3020e, Mediatek MT6797 Helio X20, 003850 Intel Core i5-2410M (2c4t), Intel Core i3-2120 (LGA1155 65W), Mediatek MT8786, 003800 AMD A10-4600M APU, AMD A10 PRO-7350B APU, AMD A10-5750M APU, Rockchip RK3399, 003600 AMD A8-6500T APU, AMD A8-7410 APU, AMD PRO A6-8550B, AMD A8-5550M (4c4t), 003500 AMD GX-424CC SOC (FT3b 25W 4c4t), ARM A75 Unisoc Tiger T610 (Spreadtrum) (8c 5W), intel i5-5250u, 003400 AMD A10-7300 APU, AMD A6-7310 APU, AMD A8-6410, AMD A10-5745M APU, Intel Core i3-4000M, 003350 Intel Pentium G2020, Intel Core i3-3120M (G2 2c4t), AMD R-464L APU, Intel® Core m5-6Y57 (2c4t), 003300 AMD GX-420CA SOC (FT3 BGA769 25W), AMD A6-9500E, Intel Celeron N4200, AMD A6-5200 ( 25W 2c2t), 003200 AMD A6-6310 APU, AMD A6-6400B APU, AMD A6-8570E, AMD A8-4500M APU, AMD A6-7400K APU, 003000 AMD A8-7150B, AMD A9-9410, A9-9420, A9-9425, AMD A6-8500B (FP4 15W), AMD A8-7100, Intel 5010u, 002900 AMD PRO A6-8530B, AMD A6-8500P, AMD A8-3500M APU, Intel Core i3-2120T, Intel i5-4250u, 002700 AMD Embedded GX-420GI (FP4 15W), AMD PRO A6-9500B, AMD GX-415GA, AMD A4-6210 APU, Intel i3-5005U, 002600 AMD A6-9225, AMD A8-4555M APU, AMD A4-5000 APU (FT3 15W), AMD A6-9220, AMD A6-3420M APU, 002450 Intel Celeron 2950M, Intel Pentium N3700, Intel Core i3-2350M, Allwinner A523 (8 A55), 002400 Intel Celeron N3150, Intel Core i3-2330M, Intel Xeon W3505, AMD A6-9210, Allwinner H618 (4 A53), 002300 Intel Celeron N3350, AMD A4-9120, AMD A4-9125, Intel Core i3-2310M, Intel Celeron 3865U, 002200 AMD A9-9420e, AMD A6-5350M APU, AMD E2-6110 APU, AMD E2-9000e, Celeron N4500, Intel N3710, 002000 AMD GX-412HC, AMD A4-4300M APU, AMD A6 PRO-7050B APU, AMD A6-4400M APU, AMD A6-7000, 001925 Intel Core2 Duo E6700, Intel Pentium Extreme Edition 965, Intel Core i3-370M, Celeron N4020, 001750 Intel Core i3-2365M 2375M, AMD A4-9120C, Intel Core2 Duo T8300, Qualcomm MSM8939, 001600 AMD GX-222GC (BGA769 FT3b 15W), AMD A4-9120e, AMD Embedded GX-215JJ, AMD A4-4355M APU, 001550 Intel Core2 Duo SL9400 T7600 T6600, AMD E2-3200, AMD A6-9220e, Mediatek MT8783, AMD E2-3800, 001520 Intel Celeron N4000, 001500 AMD GX-218GL SOC, AMD A6-4455M, AMD A4-5150M APU, ARM A55 RK3566 (4c 3W), Intel Core2 Duo T8100, 001400 AMD GX-217GA SOC, ARM Cortex-A53 4c4t H700, AMD A4-3300M APU, Allwinner A133P A64 (4 A53), 001300 AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-64 TL-62, Intel Core2 Duo T7300, Intel Core2 Duo T5600, AMD RX-216TD, 001250 AMD GX-412TC SOC, AMD A4-3320M APU, AMD Athlon 64 X2 QL-66, Intel Core2 Duo T7200 001200 AMD Athlon 64 X2 2c TK-57, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-60 RM-74, AMD E1-2500, AMD E2-7015, 001150 Intel Core2 Duo T5550, Intel Core2 Duo L7500, AMD E2-3000M APU, ARM A35 RK3266, AMD E2-7110, 001100 Intel Core2 Duo T5300, AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800, Intel Core2 Duo E4300, Mediatek MT8127, 001050 AMD E1-6010 APU, Intel Pentium T4300, Intel Celeron N2840, 001050 AMD Athlon 64 FX-57, AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core TK-55, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-52 001000 Intel Core2 Duo T5500, Intel Core2 Duo L7300, Intel Core2 Duo SU9400, 000950 AMD G-T56N, AMD Athlon 64 3100+, AMD E2-2000 APU, 000950 AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-50, AMD E1-2200 APU, Intel Celeron U3400, 000925 AMD TurionX2 Dual Core Mobile RM-72, AMD Sempron 140 000920 Intel Celeron SU2300, Intel Core2 Duo T5200, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-56 000890 AMD E2-1800 APU, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-58 000880 AMD G-T56E, AMD G-T48E, 000860 AMD E-450 APU, AMD E-350 APU, AMD Athlon LE-1620 000820 AMD A4-1250 APU, AMD Athlon LE-1600, 000810 AMD E1-2100 APU, Intel Core Duo T2500, 000810 Intel Atom D510, Intel Core2 Duo U7500, 000800 AMD Geode NX 2400+, AMD Turion 64 Mobile ML-42, AMD Athlon II Neo K325, 000760 AMD V140, AMD E1-1200 APU, AMD Athlon 64 3300+, 000730 Intel Core Duo T2400, AMD Turion 64 Mobile MK-38, AMD Sempron 3600+, 000700 Intel Core2 Duo U7600 U7700, AMD Sempron LE-1200, AMD V120 000680 AMD GX-212JC SOC, AMD E-300 APU, AMD A4-1200 APU, 000670 AMD Turion 64 Mobile MK-36 ML-37 ML-40, Mobile AMD Sempron 3800+ 000640 Intel Atom N2600, Intel Atom N570, Mobile AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 000640 Intel Core Duo T2300, Intel Core Duo T2050, 000630 VIA Eden X2 U4200, AMD Sempron LE-1100, AMD Sempron 3100+ 3600+, 000620 AMD C-70 C70 APU, Intel Atom 330, AMD G-T40N, AMD Athlon Neo MV-40, 000610 Intel Core2 Duo U7300, AMD Athlon II Neo K125 K145, 000600 Intel Atom N550, Intel Pentium 4, AMD Athlon 64 2800+, 000580 AMD C-60 C60, AMD G-T40E, AMD Sempron LE-1250 000530 AMD C-50 C50, Intel Celeron M 723, AMD Sempron 210U, 000490 AMD GX-210JA SOC, PowerPC 970 G5 IBM's 970 server CPU (2c), 000470 Mobile AMD Sempron 3500+, Mobile AMD Athlon XP-M 2200+, 000460 AMD Athlon XP 2500+, AMD Sempron 3500+, Mobile Intel Pentium 4, 000440 Intel Atom D425, Intel Atom N470, POWER 4 PPC, 000410 Intel Pentium M, Intel Celeron M, AMD Sempron 2300+ 000400 Intel Atom N450, AMD Sempron 2400+, 000340 Intel Atom D410, AMD G-T52R, AMD C-30, AMD Sempron 2200+ 000330 Intel Atom N455, Intel Atom N280, Intel Atom N270 (1c1t 2W), Intel P3, 000320 Freescale NXP QorIQ P1022 000310 PowerPC G4 7447 1Ghz (1c1t 15W), PPC440 core, 000230 PowerPC PPC G3/PPC 750, 000160 Pentium II, Motorola 68060 000080 Intel 80486, Motorola 68030, 000040 Intel 80386, 000030 Motorola 68020 000008 Motorola 68000 </pre> === Recommended hardware (32-bit) === [[#top|...to the top]] Recommended hardware is hardware that has been tested with latest release of AROS and is relatively easy to purchase second hand (ie. ebay). This hardware also comes with commitment that compatibility will be maintained with each future release. If in future decision will be made to drop any of the recommended hardware from the list (for example due to it no longer being available for purchase), such hardware will move to list of legacy supported systems and will have an indicated end of life date so that users have time to switch to other hardware. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ==== Virtual Hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | VirtualBox 7.x (Other/Unknown template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|PCNET32<br/>E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | VMware 16+ (Other32 template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | QEMU 8.x ("pc" and "q35" machines) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- |} ==== Laptops ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ACER Aspire One ZG5 || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(IDE)}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|RTL8169}} || {{Yes|ATHEROS}} || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | Dell Latitude D520 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|BCM4400}} || {{No|}} || {{Yes|Atheros AR5BXB63}} || * select Intel Core 2 64-bit version, not Celeron 32-bit version <br/> * replace WiFi card to get wireless working |- |} ==== Desktop Systems ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | Fujitsu Futro S720 || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * no 2D/3D acceleration<br/> * use USB ports at back |- |} ==== Motherboards ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ASUS P8Z68V LX || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- | Gigabyte GA-MA770T UD3/UD3P || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * requires external PCIe video card |- | ASUS M2N68-AM SE2 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|NVIDIA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|NVNET}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * connecting a disk via SATA connector is not supported at this time <br/> * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- | Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- |} ==== Legacy supported hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="10%" |EOL ! width="35%" |Comments |- | iMica || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || 2026-12-31 || |- | Gigabyte GA-MA770 UD3 || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(IDE)}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || 2026-12-31 || * requires external PCIe video card |- |} === Recommended hardware (64-bit) === [[#top|...to the top]] Recommended hardware is hardware that has been tested with latest release of AROS and is relatively easy to purchase second hand (ie. ebay). This hardware also comes with commitment that compatibility will be maintained with each future release. ==== Virtual Hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | VirtualBox 7.x (Other/Unknown (64-bit) template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|PCNET32<br/>E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- | VMware 16+ (Other64 template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- | QEMU 8.x ("pc" and "q35" machines) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- |} ==== Motherboards ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ASUS P8Z68V LX || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- |} ==References== [[#top|...to the top]] {{reflist}} {{BookCat}} b32ixq4l81e92q72zzptp58cay2s045 4654298 4654297 2026-07-13T11:57:45Z Jeff1138 301139 4654298 wikitext text/x-wiki {{ArosNav}} ==Introduction== This a list of computer hardware tested with mostly native AROS installs and, in the recommended sections, of virtual machines With 64bit support it is recommended 8Gb ram is needed and that SSE 4.1 and AVX are supported in the CPU i.e. from year 2012 for Intel CPUs and 2013 for AMD CPUs. They are x86-64 instruction sets designed to perform the same operations on multiple data items simultaneously, a technique known as Single Instruction, Multiple Data (SIMD). This allows for increased performance in tasks involving parallel computation. SSE 4.1 is a 128-bit SIMD instruction set, while AVX introduced 256-bit SIMD, further enhancing performance. Some apps require these features to run well, like 3D, multimedia decoding or JIT (javascript) in Odyssey web browser. If not the apps may work slower or might fail. If you have encountered differently (i.e. problems, incompatibilities, faults, annoyances, environment, errors, review of setup etc) please update this information. Please bear in mind that AROS has only a few hardware driver developers, whilst Linux counts in the tens and Windows in the hundreds. [[#Laptops]] [[#Netbook]] [[#Desktop Systems]] [[#AMD Sockets]] [[#Intel Sockets]] [[#Recommended hardware (32-bit)]] [[#Recommended hardware (64-bit)]] === Laptops === [[#top|...to the top]] * 2006/2007 Dell Latitude D-series laptops - business class machines, good support in Aros, easy to replace wifi card * 2006 some [https://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/laptops-portable-pcs/laptops-and-netbooks/toshiba-satellite-pro-a200-28550/review Satellite Pro A200] * 2008 For the tiny carry anywhere, the early run of Acer Aspire netbooks Rough estimate from taking a random laptop notebook what you can expect from a Native install of AROS {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Date ! width="5%" |Overall ! width="5%" |Gfx VESA ! width="5%" |Gfx 2D Acceleration ! width="10%" |Gfx 3D Acceleration ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Before 2002 || Poor to OK || VESA 90% || 2D 10% || {{N/A}} || Audio 10% || 40% || Wired 70% || 2% || Max RAM 512MB |- | 2002-2005 || OK || VESA 95% || 2D 10% || 3D 0% || Audio 30% || 70% || Wired 50% || 10% || Max RAM 2GB (for 32bit) |- | 2005-2012 || Good || VESA 98% || 2D 60% || 3D 30% || Audio 40% || 80% || Wired 30% || 10% || Max RAM 3Gb (32bit) to 8GB (64bit) |- | 2013-2017 || OK || VESA 98% || 2D 30% || 3D 0% || Audio 30% || 60% once usb3 completed || Wired 20% || 0% || Max RAM 8GB / 16GB better to go Intel / AMD Ryzen over AMD A series |- | 2018-2024 || OK || VESA 98% || 2D 20% || 3D 0% || Audio 40% || 40% once usb3 completed || Wired 30% || 0% || Max RAM 32GB better 64bit options if has an internal dvd drive and working ethernet |- | 2025-202x || Poor || VESA 95% || 2D 0% || 3D 0% || Audio 0% || 0% || Wired 10% || 0% || Max RAM 64GB AI disruption of previous hardware |- |} 3D tests now conducted with apps found in Demos/AROS/Mesa and run at default size (may need to View As -> Show All to see them. Any laptop with Windows 7(TM) 64bit or higher install, the bios and hard drive set in uefi/gpt mode (install of AROS incompatible) Most vendor suppliers get OEM (original equipment manufacturers) to make their laptops. These brand name companies purchase their laptops from *80% ODM (Original Design Manufacturer) such as Quanta, Compal, Wistron, Inventec, Foxconn (Hon Hai), Flextronics and Asus (now Pegatron) *20% MiTAC, FIC, Arima, Uniwill, ECS, Tonfang Origin and Clevo {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--May work-->{{Maybe|'''Works a little'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ====Acer/Gateway/Emachines==== Company founded under the name of Multitech in Taiwan in 1976, renamed to Acer or Acer Group in 1987 Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Packard Bell Aspire Extensa TimeLine Travelmate </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="2%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Travelmate 505 506 507 508 Series || <!--Chipset-->P2 Celeron 466Mhz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|boots}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Neo Magic Magic Graph 128XD (NM2160)}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 Crystal CS}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 minimal support but no audio etc - 506T, 506DX, 507T, 507DX, 508T |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 340 342 343 345 347 || <!--Chipset-->ALi M1621 with piii || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Trident Cyber 9525 || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1969 Solo-1}} || <!--USB-->2 ALi OHCI USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->a few have Intel e100 || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2000 32bit - 340T, 341T, 342T, 342TV, 343TV, 345T, 347TV |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 350 351 352 353 || <!--Chipset-->Ali with piii || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Trident Cyber Blade DSTN/Ai1 || <!--Audio-->{{No|ali5451}} || <!--USB-->2 USB 1.1 Ali M5237 OHCI || <!--Ethernet-->e100 || <!--Wireless-->Acer InviLink IEEE 802.11b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit very limited support but no support for PCMCIA O2 Micro OZ6933 - 350T, 351TEV, 352TEV, 353TEV |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 610 series 611 612 613 614 || <!--Chipset-->815 P3 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 82815 cgc || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->Intel e100 pro || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit - 610TXVi 610T 611TXV 612TX 613TXC |- | Aspire 3003LM || SIS AMD 3000 1.8GHz || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SIS AGP M760GX (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97 SIS codec}} || 3 USB 2.0 || {{yes|SIS900}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4318 AirForce One 54g}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 sempron |- | Travelmate 2310 Series ZL6 || Intel Celeron M 360 1.4GHz with SiS 661MX || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SiS Mirage M661MX (VESA only)}} || {{yes|SIS SI7012 AC97 with realtek ALC203 codec speakers only}} || || {{yes|SIS900}} || {{N/A|LM version has pci card slot but no antenna}} || 2017 Icaros 2.1.1 || 2004 32bit - No USB boot option but boot from DVD - reports of wifi losing connection (isolate/remove the metallic grounding foil ends of the antennas) - 2312LM_L - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3000 3002LMi 3500 5000 || <!--Chipset-->AMD CPU W-with SIS M760 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->SIS 760 || <!--Audio-->SIS || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->SIS 900 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4318 swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3050 5020 5050 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Single and Turion MK-36 Dual and RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - RS482M Xpress 1100 or RS485M Xpress 1150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek ALC883 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5006G or Broadcom BCM 4318 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit MK36 gets very hot |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2410 2420 2430 series || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel Mobile 915GMS 910GML || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 ICH6 with ALC203 codec || <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL-8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5005GS || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 2428AWXMi - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 3610 - WISTRON MORAR 3614WLMI || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|[http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=644066&postcount=13 AC97]}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8139 8139C+}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros AR5001X+, AR5BMB5 or Broadcom 4318}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.2.4 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit with good support [http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6205188#post6205188 wifi issues] |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2480 series 2483 WXMi (HannStar J MV4 94V) 2483NWXCi Aspire 3680, 3690 || <!--Chipset-->940GML i943 with Celeron 430 1.77GHz - 14.1" || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D and 3D openGL 1.x - Tunnel 181 gearbox 104 scores}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC883 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8038 yukon sky2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 5k AR5005G AR5BMB5 mini pci}} suspect laptop hardware issues || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 Works well shame about the internet options - noisy fan - poor battery life - no boot option for TI based mass storage sd card - Max 2GB memory - LCD Inverter Board IV12090/T-LF - |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2490 series 2492WXMi || <!--Chipset-->940GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 945 2D and 3D tunnel 164 gearbox 105}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5005GS suspect hardware issue}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 15inch screen - strange curved up at ends keyboard style - overall plastic construction - Atheros AR5005G(s) - |- | <!--Name-->Gateway ML6227B MA7 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron M 520 1.6Ghz with 945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|945GM 2D and 3D tunnel 169 gearbox 132}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDA Intel with STAC9250 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8038}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|8187L but swap ath5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 15.4 ultrabrite widescreen - Wifi Switch on side Fn/F2 - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 5630-6796 6288 BL50 || <!--Chipset-->T5200 T5500 Intel® Core™2 Duo T7200 T7400 T7600 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel® GMA 950 with S-Video out with 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio with ALC883? codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945abg swap for Atheros 5K}} || <!--Test Distro-->Tiny AROS || <!--Comments-->2006 - 64bit 39.1 cm (15.4" 1280 x 800) - 2 DDR2-SDRAM slots max 4GB - green mobo?? - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 5633WMLI BL51 || <!--Chipset-->T5500 with Intel® 945PM/GM Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia Go 7300 with 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Tiny Aros || <!--Comments-->2007 64 bit dual core2 - 15.4 WXGA screen - ddr2 max 4gb - OrbiCam no support - ENE chipset SD card - blue mobo?? - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 9410 9420 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core Duo with 945PM Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D NVIDIA GeForce Go 7300 - 128 MB VRAM G72M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel HD audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 8111 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945ABG but could swap with atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - 17in TFT 1,440 x 900 WXGA+ - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->eMachines E510 series KAL10 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron M 560 2.13Ghz with PM965 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel x3100 || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel with codec}} || <!--USB-->Intel || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5906M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros G AR5BXB63 bios issue??}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit very budget machine with InsydeH20 bios and F10 boot menu |- | <!--Name-->ACER Aspire 5920 [http://tim.id.au/laptops/acer/aspire%205920g.pdf 5920G] || <!--Chipset-->Santa Rosa Core 2 Duo T7300 T7500 later T9300 with GM965 and PM965(G) Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for X3100M or 8600M GS (rev a1) 9500M GT 256MB vram (G) but some AMD/ATI RV635 M86 HD 3650}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with realtek alc268, [https://forums.opensuse.org/t/no-sound-on-acer-aspire-5920g/32392 ALC883] or Realtek ALC1200 / alc888s codec ICH8}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5787M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel 3945ABG 4965 or Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood test iso 2023-01 2023-11 || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit boot with 'noacpi' or 'noioapic' - 15.4in 1280 x 800 pixels 16:10 - BMW Designworks ‘Gemstone’ design - over 3.0kg with options for 8-cell or 6-cell batteries - 2 SODIMM DDR2 667MT/s max 4GB - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->Acer A0521 Ao721 || Athlon II Neo K125 + AMD M880G || {{N/A}} || {{maybe| }} || {{maybe|ATI Radeon HD 4225 (VESA only)}} || {{No|Conexant}} || {{Maybe| }} || {{no|AR8152 l1c}} || {{unk|AR9285 ath9k}} || AspireOS 1.7 || 2006 64bit possible |- | <!--Name--> Extensa 5630Z || <!--Chipset-->T6600 with Intel GL40 Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Intel GMA 4500M HD (2D)}} || <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{No|Broadcom BCM 5764M}} || <!--Wireless--> {{No|RaLink RT2860}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit |- |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5250 series 5253 BZ400 BZ602 || <!--Chipset-->E350 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|VESA 2D for AMD HD6310}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDaudio for codec Conexant CX20584}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8151}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros 9k AR5B97}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire V5 V5-121 V5121 AO725 One 725 || <!--Chipset-->AMD C-70 C70 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|VESA for AMD 6290G}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|2 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire V5-122P MS2377 || <!--Chipset-->C-70 C70 with M55, AMD A4-1250 or A6 1450 up to 1.4Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->AMD 8210 || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|FCH USB EHCI OHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 but LAN/VGA Combo Port Cable (AK.LAVGCA 001) or MiniCP port to Acer Converter Cable (Mini CP to VGA/LAN/USB) (NP.OTH11 00C) needed}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit but no sse4 or avx - 26w battery internal, extension possible - 11.6in 1366 x 768 ips touchscreen - 7mm hd ssd - 2gb ddr3l soldered with 1 slot free max 4GB - bios hacking needed for virtualisation - |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell EasyNote TE69 TE69KB 522 || <!--Chipset-->slow E1-2500, E2-3800 2c2t Dual or A4-5000 4c4t Quad both soldered BGA769 (FT3) on Hudson-2 FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Use IDE mode}} setting AHCI to IDE mode - boots if UEFI set to Legacy || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for ATI Radeon 8120 8240, 8320, 8330 or 8280 islands}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio with ALC282 0x10ec, 0x0282 codec but not HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|Bios, Boot, set Boot mode to Legacy, nothing from USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8171 AR8175 or Broadcom BCM57780}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9565 0x1969 0x10a1}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire OS Xenon and AROS One 1.6 usb || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit with sse4.1 and AVX - 15.6in washed out screen big netbook - Boots with noacpi after using F2 to enter EFI firmware and f12 boot device - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots max 16Gb - |- | <!--Name-->ASPIRE Acer Aspire ES1-520 521 522 Series N15C4 ES1-523 || <!--Chipset-->AMD AMD E1-7010, A8-7410 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA for RADEON R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC 233 or CX20752 HD AUDIO CODEC}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8151 Gigabit or Broadcom 590x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8187 or 8812BU}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit with sse4.1 and AVX - 2 ddr3l slots - keyboard connected to top case - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Nitro 5 an515-42 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD rx560x || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->aspire 3 A315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->swift 3 sf315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 3 A315-23 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3020e, r3 3200u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3, 5 A515-44-R0ZN || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 4500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14in or 15.6" 1080p - 19v round charging - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr0tC3QJWxk repair], 4gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->Swift 3 SF314-42 series N19C4 , Swift SF315-4 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 4500U, 7 4700U|| <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 1080p - small round ac 19v 3.42A or usb-c - mobo FH4FR LA-J731P - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Acer Swift 3 SF314-43, Swift SF315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 1080p - small round ac or usb-c - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5 A515-45 || <!--Chipset-->r7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - asus round ac - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5 A515-47 || <!--Chipset-->ryzen 5 5625U, || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - asus round ac - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Asus==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus L8400-K Medion MD9467 || <!--Chipset-->Intel desktop 850MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->S3 Savage MX || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS allegro 1988}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Asus L2000 L2400 L2D Series Medion 9675 || <!--Chipset-->Athlon 4 mobile || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use vesa sis630 || <!--Audio-->{{No|sis7018}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->sis900 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->x51R X51RL || <!--Chipset-->Duo T2250 T2330 with RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M]}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|boots and detects}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL-8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5006EG AR5111 ath5k AzureWave AW-GE780 - could be ATI Chipset}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2, deadwood 2021, || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit 15.4 WXGA - 19v barrel - ESC boot select - F2 bios - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus R2H Ultra Mobile PC UMPC || <!--Chipset-->Celeron 900Mhz 910GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA900 || <!--Audio-->Ac97 ALC880 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8169 8101e || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm4fOrqyj3g boots] |- | <!--Name-->Asus A3 series A3F Ergo Ensis 211 RM || <!--Chipset-->P-M 1.6GHz to Core Duo with 950 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->Ac97 ALC655 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8100CL 10/100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit only |- | <!--Name-->Z33 || <!--Chipset-->915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->915GM || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC880 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 2915ABG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit Z33A Z33AE N5M N5A |- | Z70A Z70V Z70Va M6A z7000 z7000a || i915 + ICH6 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|mobile 915GML}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ICH6 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8001}} || {{no|Intel PRO 2200BG Fn / F2}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2005 32bit |- | [http://www.progweb.com/en/2010/09/linux-sur-un-portable-asus-a6jm/ A6jm] A6JC || 945GM || IDE || SATA || {{yes|nVidia GeForce Go 7600 G70}} || {{no|HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL8111 8168B}} || {{no|Intel 3945 ABG}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2006 32bit only |- | <!--Name-->F3Jc || <!--Chipset-->945PM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->G72M Quadro NVS 110M, GeForce Go 7300 || <!--Audio-->D audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8169 8111 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->X50GL F5GL || <!--Chipset-->T5800 with 965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA 2d - Nvidia 8200M G84 runs hot}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio MCP79 with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|MCP79}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5B91 AW-NE77}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit not much support no display with nouveau - 19v barrel - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS G50 & G51 series G50V G50Vt G51V G51VX G51J G51Jx G50VT X1 X5 ROG || <!--Chipset-->AMD64 with MCP71 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} || <!--Gfx-->nVidia GeForce 9800M GS (G94M) up to GT200 [GeForce GTX 260M] (G92M) || <!--Audio-->Nvidia HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros L1C atl1c}} || <!--Wireless-->Atheros G or Intel || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit not all GPUs are failing but a much higher % failing early, 8x00 and 9x00 G84, G86, G92, G94, and G96 series chips dying - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->M50V M50 series || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core 2 Duo P8400 or T9400 with Intel PM45 ICH9 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|BIOS set to compatibility IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GS or 9650M GT || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC663 || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 realtek 8169 8111C}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel 5100 or Atheros AR928X}}|| <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.0 USB || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 15.40 inch 16:10, 1680 x 1050 glossy - the "Infusion" design - heavy 3kg - ddr2 ram max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->Series F9 F9E F9dc F9f F9j F9s || <!--Chipset-->965GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC660 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|works}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|intel 3495 not working}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.41 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | P52F SO006X || i3-370M || IDE || SATA || {{yes|nVidia G92 [GeForce 9800 GT] (2D)}} || {{no|Intel HD Audio}} || {{yes|2 USB2.0}} || {{no|Atheros AR8121 AR8113 AR8114 (l1e)}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2010 64bit - ddr3 slot - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus * X53U MB Ver K53U or K52U Asus K53U MB Ver K53U * A53U XT2 X53B MB ver: K53BY (compal) || <!--Chipset-->Slow atom like speed E-350 (2011), E-450 (2011) on AMD M780G, much slower C-50 C50 (2012), C-60 C60 on the AMD A50M dark brown plastic build || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA ATi 6310M, 6320M later 6250M or 6290M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with alc269 codec Altec Lansing® Speakers}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|rtl8169 with RTL8111 phy}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros half height ar9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2 and 2018 AROS One 1.6 USB || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 dull 50% srgb screen - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - 5200 or 7800 mAh battery covers ASUS K53S K53E X54C X53S K84L X53SV X54HR K53F X53U laptops - 2 DDR3L slots max 8Gb - 19v barrel 5.5 / 2.5 mm - |- | <!--Name-->Asus K53T, Asus A53Z X53Z || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4-3305M on AMD M780G, A6-3420M dark brown plastic build || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD 6520G, 7670M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 with RTL8111 phy}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros half height}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 dull 50% srgb screen - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - 2 DDR3L slots max 8Gb - 19v barrel 5.5 / 2.5 mm - Altec Lansing® Speakers - |- | <!--Name-->X55U X401U X501U 1225B || <!--Chipset-->slow C-60 C60, C-70 C70 or E1 1200 E2 1800 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->6290G || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6" display - ram soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Asus A43TA A53TA K53TA XE2 A73T || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4-3300M, A6 3400M (laptop chip) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA AMD Radeon HD 6520G Integrated + HD 6470M (1GB GDDR3)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - |- | <!--Name-->X102BA || <!--Chipset-->Llano E1 1200 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|ide bios setting}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 8180 || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Qualcomm Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 10.1” Touchscreen - special asus 45w ac adapter - |- | <!--Name-->K55N, K75DE || <!--Chipset-->AMD a6 4400M A8 4500M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD 7640G || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC codec none through ATi Trinity HDMI || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 17.3-inch - |- | <!--Name-->X452EA X552EA F552E || <!--Chipset-->AMD E1 2100 or A4 5000M A8 4500M A10 4600M with A || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for AMD ATI Sun XT Radeon HD 8330 8670A 8670M 8690M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AMD FCH Azalia rev 02 with ALC898 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{{Yes|Realtek RTL8111 8168 8411}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit may support avx kabini trinity - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555Y || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-7210 A8-7410 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-colored plastic - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555B X555DG X555S X555U X555YI X555LAB || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-4210U to || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with coxenant and realtek alc codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-colored plastic - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555D || <!--Chipset-->AMD A10-8700P || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{unk|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-coloured plastic - internal battery - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS X555Q || <!--Chipset-->AMD® Bristol Ridge A10-9600P 7th Gen, A12-9720p || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|R5 + Radeon™ R6 M435DX Dual Graphics with VRAM GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8821AE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - FHD 15.6 1920x1080 - 37W battery internal - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M509ba || <!--Chipset-->AMD A9-9425 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for RADEON R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot max 16Gb - 19VDC 2.37A Max 45W 4.0mm x 1.35mm - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->ExpertBook P1410, ASUS ExpertBook P1 P1510CD, Expertbook Y1511CD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3200U, Ryzen 5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for AMD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit 14in or 15.6in 768p to 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 19V 3.42A asus barrel connector 4.0MM X 1.35MM 4phi - |- | <!--Name-->ASUSTeK ASUS EXPERTBOOK L1 L1400CDA, L1500CDA - 19v 3.42a 4.5phi Barrel with centre pin Outer 4.5mm Inner 3mm asus special untested EXA1203XH, EXA1203YH, EXA1208UH, PA-1650-30, PA-1650-78, PA-1650-93, ADP-65GD B, ADP-65DW B (Euro) || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' Ryzen 5 3500U - '''untested''' Ryzen 3 3200U, 3250U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 Nvme m.2 slot will not boot with sata3 m.2, optional 1 sata hdd with ribbon cable, no dvd drive}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for AMD vega 3, 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio 0x15de 0x15e3 with ALC256 codec 0x10ec 0x0256}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 1 usb-c and 3 usb-a }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro-->3500U with AROS One 64bit 1.2 usb installed to m.2 sata on another machine || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit 14in or 15.6in 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - up to 8Gb ddr4 sodimm soldered on board and 1 slot - micro sd card slot on some models - 42Whr B31N1915 C31N1915 C31N2204 - hold down F2 and press power for bios setup - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ==== Dell ==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Studio Inspiron Vostro XPS Alienware Precision Latitude </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="10%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Latitude CP 233GT, CPi d233xt d266xt D300XT a366xt, CPt S400GT S500GT S550GT S600GT S700ST, CPt C333GT C400GT || <!--Chipset-->Neo Magic || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - Neo magic Magic Media 2160 2360 256ZX || <!--Audio-->{{No|crystal pnp 4237b or magic media 256zx sound nm2360}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit Low-Density 16-chip 144p 144-pin 32Mx64 3.3V SODIMM - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude CPx H450GT H500GT H Series, CPt V433GT V466GT V600, Inspiron 5000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440BX with Pentium 3M (CPx) or Celeron (CPt) || <!--IDE-->{{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use Vesa - ATi Rage Pro Mobility M1}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1978 Maestro 2E Canyon 3D}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|1 slot 1.1 only}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro-->NB May 2013 || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit - 3 pin PA-6 PA6 power adapter plug - CDROM DVD Cxxx family media bay accessories untested |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C500 C600 (Quanta TM6) Inspiron 4000 7500, CPx J Series || <!--Chipset-->440BX ZX/DX || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage 128Pro Mobility M3 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ES1983S Maestro 3i}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 1.1 only}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A|some models had mini pci e100}}|| <!--Wireless-->{{N/A|a few came with internal antenna wiring}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->1999 square 3 pin charger PA9 PA-9 - C/Dock II untested - C/Port untested - Parallel to Floppy cable untested - CPx J600GT J650GT J700GT J750GT J800GT J850GT |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C510 C610 Insprion 4100 PP01L 2600 || <!--Chipset-->i830 and 1GHz+ P3-M || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|use VESA - ATI Radeon Mobility M6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 CS4205}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|3Com Etherlink}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|internal antenna wiring for an Atheros mini pci card}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2000 poor build quality - hard to find in good working order |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C400 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 830 CGC}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ac97 Crystal 4205}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|3Com 3c905C TX/TX-M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2000 Slim for the time - no media bays |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C640 (Quanta TM8) C840 Inspiron 8k2 8200 i8200 precision m50 || <!--Chipset-->P4M with 845EP || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA if ATi - use nouveau if 64mb Nvidia Gforce 4 440 Go || <!--Audio-->AC97 CS4205 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->3com 905c || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 C640 had one fan so was noisy and hot - C840 had 2 fans and ran slightly cooler but fan noise louder |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | Latitude D400 || P-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 ide}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|VESA only}} || {{yes|AC97 Audio playback only}} || {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || {{maybe|PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{no|BCM4318 AirForce one 54g replace with atheros 5k mini pci}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit might boot from USB stick but won't boot from USB-DVD - no sd card slot - power plug style - |- | Latitude D500 / D505 PP10L, Inspiron 510m || 855GME * revA00 * revA03 * revA06 | {{yes|IDE but needs the Dell adapter}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|855GM Gfx (VESA only)}} || {{Yes|Intel AC97 with IDT STAC 9750 codec playback head phones only}} || {{maybe| }} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4306 but exchange with atheros g in panel on laptop bottom}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || 2003 - 14 / 15 inch XGA 4:3 screen - plastic build - no sd card slot - boots from bay optical drive - not powering on/off with ac adapter is a [http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=37&topicid=30585 mobo fault of PC13 SMT 1206 ceramic cap hot] suggest [http://www.die4laser.com/D505fix/ 0.1uF 50V instead] - pc2700 333Mhz ram 1Gb max - |- | Latitude D505 (some) || VIA VT8237 VX700 || {{yes|IDE}} || || {{partial|VESA 2d on ATI RV350 Radeon 9550}} || {{no|VIA AC97 with codec}} || {{maybe|VIA USB glitchy}} || {{yes|VIA VT6102 Rhine-II}} || {{no|Intel 2200g Calexico2}} || <!--Test Distro--> || 2003 32bit little support - diagnostics pressing holding the Fn key, press the Power ON button (battery removed). Check the LEDs pattern - cmos battery behind flap in laptop battery slot - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1000 || <!--Chipset-->SIS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA SIS}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 SIS with AD1981B codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|SIS 900 but}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit [https://forum.level1techs.com/t/my-time-with-icaros-desktop-and-what-i-am-doing-as-a-dev-contributor-also-some-other-shit/113358 aremis using it] |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1100 PP07L || <!--Chipset-->845 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 845G}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC'97 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom 4401}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2004 |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 8500 5150 || <!--Chipset-->P4 855GM || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia 5200 Go - VESA if intel gfx}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|MCP AC97 with SigmaTel 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4306 rev 02 use Atheros Mini PCI}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit P4 runs well but hot |- | Latitude X300 PP04S small, slim and light case || 855GME * revA00 Intel ULV 1.2 Ghz * revA01 Intel ULV 1.4Ghz | {{yes|IDE internal and will boot cd/dvd through dock PR04S}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|855GM Gfx (VESA only)}} || {{Yes|Intel AC97 with STAC 97xx codec but no audio out of the dock}} || {{maybe|works but dock usb ports and usb DVD PD01S not detected}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM5705M gigabit}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4306 later intel - replace with atheros in the underside}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1, 2020 AROS One 1.6 usb, || 2003 12.1" 1024 x 768 - 19.5v PA-10 or PA-12 dell - ACPI works but bad s3 ram suspend sleep - no sd card boot - 1Gb max sodimm ddr 2700 |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D600 (Quanta JM2) PP05L - 600m || <!--Chipset-->82855 PM i855 * reva00 * revA01 * revA02 * revA03 * revA04 | <!--IDE--> {{yes}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA - ATI Radeon RV250 Mobility FireGL 9000}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 - STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5705}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 2100 or Broadcom BCM4306 - swap for Atheros panel in base}} || <!--Test Distro-->2011 Icaros 1.3 and [http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-62187.html 1.4.1 and 2016 2.1.1] || <!--Opinion-->2003 32bit 14inch using pc2100 memory with Caps light blinking is usually a memory error - Dell D505 D600 power up pressing the case docking port - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D600 (Quanta JM2) || <!--Chipset-->82855 PM i855 || <!--IDE--> {{yes}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D only vidia NV28 GeForce4 Ti 4200 Go 5200 Go 5650 Go}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 - STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5705}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4306 mini pci - swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.3 and [http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-62187.html 1.4.1] || <!--Opinion-->2003 32bit 14" - solder joints on the bios chip (press down f7/f8 keys) - RAM clean with eraser - memory cover plate maybe apply some pressure - |- | <!--Name-->D800 (Compal LA-1901) || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 570x || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4309 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - trackpoint type pointing device - |- | <!--Name-->D800 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{No|Nvidia }} || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 570x || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4309 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit 15inch 39cm |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1200 2200 PP10S Latitude 110L m350 1.3Ghz || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915GM || <!--IDE--> {{yes|UDMA boots cd or DVD and installs to HDisk}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA900 (2D and 3D openGL 1.x) Gearbox 56}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 playback only}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|BroadCom BCM4318 - swap for Atheros mini PCI in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2005 single core 32bit 14" 4:3 1024 768 XGA screen - heavy 6 lbs - PA16 barrel 19V 3.16A AC adapter - battery life 4cell 29WHr lasts 2 hours - 256mb soldered with 1 ddr pc2100 sodimm 1gb max - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1300 business B130 home PP21L Latitude 120L B120 by Compal - Inspiron 630m || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron M360 1.4GHz, M370 1.50 GHz, M380 1.73GHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|boots cd or DVD and installs to HDisk}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 915 2D and 3D openGL 1.x tunnel 172 gearbox 70}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback ear phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|works but waiting boot fail with AROS One usb version}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|intel 2200 or BCM4318 swap for Atheros mini pci underside - one antenna lead for main wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2, 2020 AROS One 1.6 usb, || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit single core - 14.1″ XGA 4:3 or 15.4" WXGA wide 1280 x 800 matte - ddr2 sodimm ram 2gb max - PA-16 19v psu tip 7.4mm * 5mm - f10 boot select f1 f2 bios |- | Latitude X1 PP05S || PP-M GMA915 rev A00 1.1GHz non-pae || {{yes|ide 1.8in zif/ce under keyboard}} || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|Vesa for Intel 915GM}} || {{yes|AC97 6.6 playback only with STAC codec}} || {{maybe|USB 2.0 but partial boot to blank screen}} || {{No|Broadcom 5751}} || {{no|Intel 2200BG - swap for Atheros mini pci under keyboard palm rest - disassembly of all laptop}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 dvd iso image virtualbox'd onto usb, Aros One 1.5 and 1.8 usb (2022) || 2005 32bit 12.1" 4:3 1024 x 768 - sd slot not bootable - 256mb soldered to board and 1 sodimm max 1GB ddr2 under keyboard - F12 bios boot F2 - pa-17 pa17 19v octagonal psu port |- | Latitude D410 PP06S *rev A00 *A01, A02 *A03 || GMA915 1.6GHz Pentium® M 730, 1.7GHz, 750 1.86GHz & 760 2.0GHz, 770 2.13GHz || {{yes|caddy and adapter needed 2.5" - remove hdd and write}} || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|Intel 915GM 2D and 3D OpenGL 1.3 tunnel 170 and gearbox 75}} || {{yes|AC97 playback only with STAC 9751 codec}} || {{maybe|works but will not boot from USB-DVD or AROS One 1.5 usb version}} || {{No|Broadcom 5751}} || {{no|Intel 2915ABG or later 2200BG - swap for Atheros mini pci under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro-->2015 Icaros 1.4, 2016 2.1.1 and AROS One 1.5 usb, || 2005 32bit 12.1" 4:3 1024 x 768 - no sd card slot - PR06S dock base |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D510 (Quanta DM1) || <!--Chipset-->915GM socket 479 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 915 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 STAC 975x}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG swap Atheros mini pci in base}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 14.1" 32bit single core Intel Celeron M 1.6GHz Pentium M 730 1.73Ghz - squarish 3:2 - issues with 3rd party battery 4 quick flashes of red led with 1 final green |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D610 (Quanta JM5B) PP11L || <!--Chipset-->910GML 915GM with mobile 1.6 to 2.26ghz * Rev A0x * Rev A0x * Rev A07 1.73Ghz | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 915 2D and 3D tunnel 174 gearbox 74}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 speaker head phones playback only with stac codec}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 2200BG or Broadcom mini pci under keyboard, swap wifi card for atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" 1024 x 768 - very noisy clicky trackpad buttons - one dimm slot under keyboard and other in underside 2GB 533Mhz 667Mhz DDR2 max - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D610 (Quanta JM5B) 0C4717 REV A05, 0K3879 REV.A00 || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - Ati X300 no radeon 2d}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG mini pci use Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" 1024 x 768 - very noisy clicky trackpad buttons - 19.5v psu |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D810 (Quanta ) || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - Ati X300 RV370 M22 later x600}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 stereo playback only idt 9751 codec}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0 but no boot from usb on 1.5}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG mini pci replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.1, aros one 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 15.4" F12 one time boot menu - 19.5v 90w psu ideal - battery not same as later dx20 ones - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 6000 6400, E1505 PP20L *A00 Pentium M *A0? Core Duo || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with PM 1.73Ghz, T2050 or T2060 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|vesa 2d - Ati 9700, x1300 RV515 M52, x1400 or nvidia go 7300 on mxm board}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio IDT 9200}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|usb boot }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200 3945 - swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1, AROS One 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2006 mostly 32bit - 15.4 inch glossy - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots - broadcom bcm92045 bluetooth detected but no support - 19.5v dell psu socket - f2 bios setup, f12 boot order - |- | <!--Name-->Inspirion E1705 9200 9300 9400 PP12L PP14L || <!--Chipset-->945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->proprietary Dell card/socket format Nvidia 6800, ati X300 or nVidia 7900GS gpu 3d corrupt || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 increasing vertical lines issues] 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Studio XPS M1210 || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with Core Duo to intel C2D T5500, T7400 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->nVidia G72M 7300 7400m || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT 92xx || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4311 - swap for Atheros 5k mini pci-e}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 slots max 4Gb - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1501 PP23LA Latitude 131L || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron 1.8GHz Turion MK-36 or X2 1.6Ghz TL-50 or TL-56 on ATI RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - ATI 1150 (x300) RS482M Mobility Radeon Xpress 200}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with stac 92xx codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom bcm 4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bcm4311 replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit 15.4 inch matt 16:10 1280x800 WXGA - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 6400 (Quanta FM1) *A00 Pentium M *A0? Core Duo *A08 Core2 Duo || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with BGA479 (socket M) T2050 1.6Ghz, T2060 1.60Ghz, T2080 1.73Ghz much later T5500 1.66Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with IDT 92xx codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4311 swap for Atheros 5k mini pci-e under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro-->deadwood 2019-04-16 iso || <!--Comments-->2006 mostly 32bit - 15.4" glossy - sd card - front multimedia keys - dvd rw - generic dell keyboard - coin cr2032 bios battery under keyboard - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 640m PP19L XPS M140 e1405 || <!--Chipset-->Core Solo T2050, T2300 Duo 1.83GHz T2400 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM4401-B0 100Base || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 or Broadcom 43xx, swap for Atheros 5k - Wireless Internet ON or OFF press the Function key + F2}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32 bit - 12.1 LCD CCFL WXGA 1280x800 up to 14.1 inch 16:10 1440x900 pixel, WXGA+ UltraSharp - supports also SSE3 on duos - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D420 (Compal LA-3071P) PP09S || <!--Chipset-->945 * revA00 Solo 1.2Ghz ULV U1400 * revA01 Duo 1.06Ghz u2500 * revA02 Duo 1.2Ghz | <!--IDE-->{{yes|ZIF/CE 1.8" slow under battery, ribbon cable}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 - 2D and 3D opengl tunnel 138 gearbox 103}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with STAC 92xx playback speakers head phones only)}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|2 and external usb optical drive works}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 mini pcie - swap Atheros 5k in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros Desktop 1.4 || <!--Opinion-->2006 32bit only - 12.1" 1280x800 - PR09S dock base rev02 DVD-RW usb boots - 1GB DDR2 2Rx16 max in base panel - f2 setup f5 diagnostics f12 boot list - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D520 PP17L || <!--Chipset--> * 64bit rev A01, A02 945GM Core2 Duo 1.83Ghz to 2.3Ghz * 32bit rev A00, A01 940GML Solo later Duo T2400 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| Philips SDR089, Philips CDD5263, TEAC DW224EV, Optiarc AD-5540A, HL-DL-ST GSAT21N, TSSTcorp TS-L632D}} || {{Yes|bios sata set to ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 900 series 2D and OpenGL1 3D tunnel 210 gearbox 153 teapot 27}} || {{Yes|HD audio with STAC 9200 codec}} || {{Yes|Boots and detects USB2.0}} || {{Yes|Broadcom 4400}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4312 BCM4321 Dell 1390 / 1490 mini pcie - easy to replace with atheros 5k in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4 and 2.2 and both AROS One 1.8 and AROS One x64 1.1 USB boot || 2006 mostly 64bit 4:3 aspect ratio 14.1 (XGA 1024x768) or later 15 inches (XGA+ 1400 by 1050) - F2 enter bios F12 choose boot - 19.5v dell tip pa-12 charger - bios coin cell cr2032 battery socketed in base panel - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D620 (Compal LA-2792) PP18L || <!--Chipset-->945GMS * rev A00 all Core Duo's 32 bit * rev A0x all Core 2 Duo's 64 bit | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D tunnel gearbox opengl1 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio playback}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 3945 mini pcie swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->AspireOS Xenon || <!--Opinion-->2006 64bit AROS capable with later revisions - 14" 1280 x 800 |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D620 || <!--Chipset-->Intel i945 * revA00 all Core Duo's 32 bit * revA01 all Core 2 Duo's 64 bit | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia 7300, 7600 NVS 110M G72 || <!--Audio-->{{dunno|HD Audio with STAC 9200 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless--> {{dunno}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 1440x900 screen - LA-2792P Rev.2.0 - DT785 UC218 Fan/ Heatsink (64bit) - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D820 (Quanta JM6) || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML * rev A00 * rev A01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D tunnel 195 - 100? gearbox 156}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with STAC 9200 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|BCM4310 replace with mini pcie atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Opinion-->2007 widescreen 15 inch 1280 x 800 matte - - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D820 (Quanta JM) || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia NVS 110M 120M G72}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio STAC 9200}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|BCM4310 swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit 15.4 1650x1050 WXGA or WSXGA+ or 1920x1200 WUXGA - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude D531 15" || <!--Chipset-->AMD Turion X2 TL56 or TL60 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA - ATi xpress X1270}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with IDT codec || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 57xx}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 or Dell Wireless 1390, 1505 or BCM4311 mini pcie || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit possible - no trackpoint - fails and goes wrong often - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D430 PP09S || <!--Chipset-->945 with Core2 Duo C2D U7500 1.06GHz U7600 1.2GHz U7700 1.33GHz * rev A00 * rev A01 * rev A02 | <!--IDE-->ZIF PATA IDE 1.8inch under battery and ribbon cable - slow use USB instead || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|945GML 2D and 3D opengl 1.x 171 tunnel 105 gearbox}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|STAC 92xx HD Audio speaker and ear phone - mono speaker}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 4965 AGN or 3945 ABG mini pci-e underside with Atheros 5k mini pci-e}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire 1.8 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit capable - sd card not supported - 19.5v PA12 power adapter - 12.1" 1280x800 matte - f2 setup f5 diagnostics f12 boot list - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D530 || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{partial|nVidia Quadro NVS 135M 2D 3d glitches G86}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio with STAC 9205 head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2007 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 ] cool air intake from underneath needed with pa-10 or pa-3e 90w psu required - standard 4:3 ratio aspect screen - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D630 (Compal LA-3301P) PP18L || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 T7250 2.0Ghz T7300 * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA X3100 (2D only, no external monitor)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio STAC 9205 but speaker and head phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4312 swap with pci-e Atheros 5k under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit possible - F12 to choose boot option - 2 ddr2 sodimm max 4G - 4400mah 48Wh battery lasts 2 hours - 6600mah 73Wh lasts 3 hours - two wire cr2032 cmos - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D630 || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 * revA00 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 ] GPU heatpad, no copper * revA01 0DT785 heatsink | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{partial|use VESA as nVidia NVS 135M 3d corrupts 0.7 tunnel 0.25 gearbox G86}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio with STAC 9205 head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D830 || <!--Chipset-->965GM with Core2 * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GM965 crestline 2d and 3d tunnel 115}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|replace with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros || <!--Comments-->2007 15 inch 1280 x 900 but updating the LCD to WXGA or WSXGA+ could be better - 2 ddr2 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D830 || <!--Chipset-->ICH8, Core2 DUO T7800 @ 2.60GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Intel ICH8M Serial ATA || <!--Gfx-->nVidia Quadro NVS 140M G86 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->Intel Wireless 4965AGN swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.03 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 15." - FN,F2 or FN,F8 or FN,F12 |- | <!--Name-->XPS M1710 || <!--Chipset-->945PM with T2400 T2600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->proprietary Dell card socket format GTX 7950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 1000 or Broadcom BCM5752 || <!--Wireless-->Intel swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 17.3" workstation type WXGA+ screen 1920x1200 - 2 ddr-2 667Mhz sodimm slots, |- | <!--Name-->XPS M1730 || <!--Chipset-->965 with T7200 T7600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GTX 7950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 1000 || <!--Wireless-->Intel swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit 17" workstation type WXGA+ screen manufactured by AU Optronics poor viewing angles, unevenly lit, light leakage, 2 ddr-2 800Mhz slots, |- | <!--Name-->Latitude E6410 P27LA, E6510 PP30LA, E6310 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-520M to i7-620M i7 820QM but no sse4.1 or AVX || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|NVidia NVS 3100M GT218 2D but 3D through external monitor}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio IDT 92HD81}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom or Intel 6200AGN or Link 6300}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3 || <!--Comments-->2010 64 bit - 14.1” WXGA+ up to 15.6in 15.6” FHD 1080p - 2 ddr3l 1333Mhz max 8Gb - 90w dell charger - 3pin cmos - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron M5030 || <!--Chipset-->rev A01 AMD V120, V140 rev A0? V160 M880G || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA RS880M Radeon HD 4225, 4250}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with ALC269q codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8152 v2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - DDR3 sodimm - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->E6420 E6520 ATG semi ruggized XFR || <!--Chipset-->sandy bridge i5 2520M 2540M or duo I7 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|set to Bios UEFI mode AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel HD 3000 with optional fermi Nvidia NVS 4200M GF119}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with IDT 92HD90 BXX codec but not HDMI codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6205}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.03 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit 15.6in - fan exhausts a lot of hot air when cpu taxed - VGA if Bios ATA set and Vesa only with Bios ACHI set - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron M5040 || <!--Chipset-->slow amd E450, later C-50 C50 or C-60 C60 with A50M chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|non efi sata in IDE mode but base plastic difficult to remove for access}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA AMD Radeon 6320, 6250 or 6290}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio IDT}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8105E VB 10/100}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 icaros 2.1.1 and AROS USB 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit 15INCH 1388 X 768 - f2 bios setup, f12 boot order - under removable keyboard via 4 top spring loaded catches is 1 ddr3l sodimm max 8gb and wifi - |- | Latitude e6230 E6330 E6430 || i3 3320M 3350M 2.8 GHz i5 3360M i7 3520M || {{N/A}} || {{partial|non RAID mode}} || {{partial|Intel HD 4000 (VESA only)}} || {{no|HD Audio}} || {{partial|Intel USB 3.0 (USB 1.1 2.0 only)}} || {{No|Intel 82579LM Gigabit}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313}} || <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2014 09-27 || 2013 64bit Ivy Bridge - 12.5-inch 13.3-inch 14-inch screen - not great support, better under hosted - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude 3330 || <!--Chipset-->Core i3 – 2375M to i5 – 3337U, Intel® Core i3 – 3227U, Celeron 1007U on HM77 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for intel Hd 2000 3000 vga hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with IDT 92HD93 Controller codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.0 (2), USB 2.0 PowerShare capable }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit, 13.3” HD 1366X768 16:9, 2 ddr3l slots max 8Gb, 720p HD video webcam, |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 15 5565 5567 AMD versions, Inspiron 3595 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9200u A9-9400 9425 A12-9700P Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon R5 R8 GCN 3 || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{partial| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit AVX2 - 15.6in 768p or 900p - there are intel versions avoid - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 5495, Inspiron 15 3585 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2300U 2500U 2700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|NVMe or optional 2.5in sata if caddy and ribbon cable}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon Vega 3 or 7 || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3246 aka ALC295 0x10ec, 0x0295 or ALC3263 aka ALC 0x10ec, 0x0 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14.0" FHD WVA 1080p (16:9) 220 nits or HD 768p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 32gb - 68whr battery with 2pin cmos bios coin - DC 19.5V 4.62A (90W) or 19.5V 3.34W (65W) 5.0mm x 7.4mm PA12 charging adapter - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 3505, Vostro 3515 || <!--Chipset-->athlon 300u, Ryzen 3250u (2c4t) 3450u 3500u 3700u (4c8t), Athlon Silver (2c2t) Gold (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|up to 2 nvme with optional 2.5in sata ribbon connector}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8, 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Realtek ALC3204, Cirrus Logic CS8409 (CS42L42 and SN005825)}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|RTL 8106E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8723DE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64-bit - 15.6inch - 2 ddr4 sodimm max 16G - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 5485 2-in-1 || <!--Chipset-->athlon 300u, Ryzen 3250u (2c4t) 3450u 3500u 3700u (4c8t), Athlon Silver (2c2t) Gold (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8, 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Realtek ALC3204}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8723DE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64-bit - 14inch - 2 ddr4 sodimm max 16G - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 3500, 3310, 3410, 3510, || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron-4205U, Pentium-5405U, Core i5 (8th Gen) i3-8145U, 8265U, i5-8365U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2D for Intel UHD Graphics 610 or 620 hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with Realtek ALC}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 usb-c usb-a}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p to 1080p 220nits - 65w - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - rtc cr2032 cmos 2 pin - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 5405 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 4500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->One M.2 2230/2280 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3204 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14" 1080p - dell round ac 19.50 VDC 4.50 mm x 2.90 mm 65W(19.5V-3.34A) round 4.5mm tip - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 5415, Inspiron 5515 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 5300U, Ryzen 5 5500U, Ryzen 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with realtek ALC3254 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 14" or 15.6in - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use or use dell round ac 65W 4.5MM x 3.0MM - replacing keyboard not easy - 1 ddr4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Vostro 3425, Vostro 3525, Vostro 5625 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 5425U, Ryzen 5 5625U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB4}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14in 15.6" to 16" FHD 1080p - dell round ac 65w 4.5MM x 3.0MM or avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Inspiron 15 Model 3535, Inspiron 14 7435 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 7520U, AMD Ryzen 5 7530U, 7 7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{No| hdmi 1.4 but no gpmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2024 64bit - 14.0" or 15.6" 1080p - dell round ac 65w 4.5MM x 3.0MM or usb-c charging - full sd card slot - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====Fujitsu-Siemens==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Amilo Esprimo Lifebook </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu [http://www.labri.fr/perso/fleury/index.php?page=bug_transmeta FMV-Biblo Loox S73A (Japan P1100) LifeBook P1120 Biblo Loox T93C (Japan P2120) P2020] || <!--Chipset-->Transmeta Crusoe CPU TM5600 633MHz with Ali M1535 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->ATI Rage Mobility M with 4MB SDRAM || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 Ali M1535 + STAC9723 Codec}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 only || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1999 32bit 10" 1280 x 600 matte LCD - QuickPoint IV mouse - metal chassis with palm rest plastic - 15GB 2.5 inch drive and SR 8175 8X DVD-ROM drive - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook S7000 S7010 S7010D S2020 || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M 1.6 or 1.7GHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Intel 855}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|AC97 with STAC 9751T or 9767 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros, Broadcom or Intel 2200BG - FN,F10}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit 14.1 inch with minimal support |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook e8010 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 855GM}} || <!--Audio-->AC97 STAC9767 or ALC203 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5705M}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3.1 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit 15.1 inch |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5000 ST5010 ST5011 ST5012 ST5020 ST5021 ST5022 || <!--Chipset-->1.0GHz P-M and later 1.1GHz on Intel 855GME || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 800 use VESA || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5788 tg3 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200BG}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit charged via a proprietary port power connector 16V 3.75A with wacom serial pen interface - indoor Screen transmissive 10.1 and later 12.1 XGA TFT - |- | <!--Name-->Amilo Pro V2010 || <!--Chipset-->VIA CN400 PM880 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{No|S3 unichrome use VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA AC97 VT8237 with codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Rhine 6102 6103 || <!--Wireless-->RaLink RT2500 || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit boot mount - unknown bootstrap error then crashes |- | <!--Name-->Amilo Li 1705 CN896 || <!--Chipset--> with VIA P4M900 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE}} || <!--Gfx-->ATi || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA VT8237 HD Audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->VT82xx 62xx || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|VIA Rhine}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros G}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit random freezes |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> Esprimo Mobile V5535 Skt mPGA 478MN | <!--Chipset--> | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE and EIDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{maybe|IDE mode with SIS 5513}} | <!--Gfx--> {{maybe|SiS 771 / 671 (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HD Audio SIS968 SIS966 SI7012 with ALC268 codec}} | <!--USB--> {{no|USB 1.1 and 2.0 issues}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|SiS 191 gigabit}} | <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros AR5001 mini pci express}} | <!--Test Distro-->aros one 1.5 usb | <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 20v barrel - f2 setup f12 multi boot - random freezing short time after booting - chipset SIS 671MX - |- | <!--Name-->Amilo SI 1520 1521p || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio Conexant codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Intel Pro 100}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.2 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit - Set Bios option ATA Control Mode to Compatible |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook S7020 S7020D || <!--Chipset--> Pentium M 740 1.73MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 915 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC260 codec || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5751M Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG or Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5030 ST5031 ST5032 || <!--Chipset-->1 to 1.2GHx Pentium M with 915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 900 || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Marvell || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit charged via a proprietary port power connector 6.0 x 4.4 mm round - 200 pin ddr2 ram |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5110 ST5111 ST5112 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with 1.2GHz Core Duo and Core2 Duo || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 900 || <!--Audio-->HD audio with STAC9228 codec || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 ABG or optional atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 either 32 or 64 bit - charged via a proprietary port power connector 6.0 x 4.4 mm round - SigmaTel® touchscreen - |- | <!--Name-->E8110 S7110 E8210 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|945GM}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC262 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8055 Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit Core Duo |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || CHIPSET || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook PH521 || <!--Chipset-->AMD E-350 E-450 1.65GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->HD 6310M 6320M || <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC269 || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 802.11 bgn}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6 inch 1366x768 pixels - DDR3 1066MHz - |- | <!--Name-->LIFEBOOK E752/E782/S752/S782 || <!--Chipset--> with Intel Core i3-2328M to i3-3110M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82579V 1000 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel Wireless 6205 may be able to swap for Atheros 5k }} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq==== [[#top|...to the top]] Build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Presario Pavilion Omnibook ProBook Armada Elitebook </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->1c00 series Compaq Presario [http://users.utu.fi/sjsepp/linuxcompaqarmada100s.html Armada 100S made by Mitac], 1247 || <!--Chipset-->K6-II with PE133 MVP-4 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA - Trident Blade3D AGP sp16953 || <!--Audio-->VIA ac'97 audio [rev20] with AD1881A codec || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|usual VIA issues [rev10]}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit 192MB max - PCcard Texas PC1211 no support - 1200 XL1 1200-XL1xx, XL101, XL103 XL105 XL106 XL109 XL110 XL111 XL116 XL118 XL119 XL125 |- | <!--Name-->1c01 series Armada 110, Evo N150 || <!--Chipset-->Intel with VIA PLE133 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - Trident Cyber Blade i1 chipset || <!--Audio-->VIA 686 rev20 82xxx 686a || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 82557 Pro 100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit max 192mb sodimm 100Mhz 133Mhz ram memory - 1200-XL405A 12XL405A XL502A 12XL502A 1600XL |- | Armada M300 M700 E500 || 440BX || {{Yes| }} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|ATI Rage LT M1 Mobility (VESA only)}} || {{no|AC97 ESS Maestro 2E M2E ES1987 sound}} || {{yes|USB1.1 only}} || {{No|[http://perho.org/stuff/m300/index_en.html Intel PRO 100+ Mini PCI]}} || {{N/A}} || Aspire OS 2012, Nightly 30-01 2013 and 04-05 2013 || 1999 32bit - F10 bios options and Fn+F11 reset CMOS with 64mb ram already on board |- | <!--Name-->HP Omnibook XE3 || <!--Chipset-->Intel BX 600Mhz GC model 256mb or AMD GD 500Mhz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - S3 Inc. 86C270 294 Savage IX-MV (rev 11) || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1988 Allegro 1 (rev 12)}} || <!--USB-->Intel 82371AB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit no cardbus pcmcia support - no audio from Polk Audio Speakers - |- | <!--Name-->HP Omnibook XE3 || <!--Chipset-->82830 ICH3 P3-M 750MHz 800Mhz 900MHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - CGC 830MG}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1988 Maestro 3i}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|only one 1.1 port}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|e100 82557}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A|}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.51 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit Boots USB Stick via Plop boot floppy - Memory for GF 256-512mb, GS up 1GB |- | <!--Name-->TC1000 TC-1000 Tablet PC || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA NV11 [GeForce2 Go] (rev b2) || <!--Audio-->VIA AC97 Audio (rev 50) || <!--USB-->OHCI NEC USB 2.0 (rev 02) || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 82551 QM (rev 10) || <!--Wireless-->Atmel at76c506 802.11b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit Transmeta LongRun (rev 03) with VT82C686 - Texas Instruments TI PCI1520 PC card Cardbus |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq R3000 ZV5000 (Compal LA-1851) || <!--Chipset-->Nvidia nForce 3 with AMD CPU || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia NV17 [GeForce4 420 Go 32M] || <!--Audio-->Nvidia || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom or Realtek RTL8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4303 BCM4306 or Atheros bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - HPs have a setting to automatically disable wireless if a wired connection is detected |- | <!--Name-->Compaq [http://www.walterswebsite.us/drivers.htm Presario 700 series] || <!--Chipset-->VT8363 VT8365 [Apollo Pro KT133 KM133] || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VT8636A (S3 Savage TwisterK) (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|VIA AC97 [rev50] with AD1886 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|VIA UHCI USB 1.1 [rev1a]}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RealTek RTL8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4306}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit poor consumer grade level construction - jbl audio pro speakers - no support for cardbus pcmcia TI PCI1410 - 700A EA LA UK US Z 701AP EA BR FR 701Z 702US 703US AP JP audio sp18895 Sp19472 |- |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | N400c || P3-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 CAM IDE U100}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Rage Mobility 128 (VESA only)}} || {{No|Maestro 3 allegro 1}} || {{yes|USB1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit Has no optical disc drive |- | N410c || P3-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 CAM IDE U100}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Radeon Mobility M7 LW 7500 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|Intel AC97 with AD1886 codec}} || {{yes|USB1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit Has no optical disc drive |- | Evo N600c || Pentium 4 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility M7 (VESA only)}} || {{No|ESS ES1968 Maestro 2}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2003 32bit |- | Evo N610c || Pentium 4 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility M7 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|Intel ICH AC97 with AD1886 codec}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || |- | N800c || P4 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility 7500 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit P4M CPU can get very warm |- | <!--Name-->NX7010 || <!--Chipset-->Intel || <!--IDE-->{{yes|IDE}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI mobility 7500 or 9000 Radeon 9200 64MB (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ADI codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci (1.1) and ehci (2.0)}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200b bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Preasrio V5000 (Compal LA-2771) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron 3000+ or Turion ML with SB400 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Ati RS480M Xpress 200}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 ATI with Conexant CX 20468 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8100 8101L 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|bcm4318 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 64bit single core machine V5001 V5002 V5002EA V5003 |- | <!--Name-->TC1100 TC-1100 Tablet PC || <!--Chipset-->855PM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia Geforce4 Go || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|BCM 4400}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros wlan W400 W500 or ? bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit |- | <!--Name-->NC6000 NC8000 NW8000 || <!--Chipset-->855PM with Pentium M 1.5 1.6 1.8GHz 2.0GHz || <!--IDE-->max 160 GB for NW 8000 || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Ati RV350 mobility 9600 M10 Fire GL T2 ISV use VESA 2D as no laptop display}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel AC97 with ADI codec playback only}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|2 ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM 5705M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|mini pci Atheros 5212 BG W400 W500 or Intel - all bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 based [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=41916&forum=47 works] - Firewire TI TSB43AB22/A - 8 pound 2.5 kg travel weight - an SD slot as well as two PC Card slots - 15-inch UXGA screen (1,600 x 1,200) or 15" SXGA+ (1400 x 1050) (4:3 ratio) |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Compaq NC6110 NX6110 NC6120 NC6220 NC4200 NC8200 TC4200 || <!--Chipset-->GMA 915GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D GMA 900}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 with ADI AD1981B playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|440x or BCM 5705M or 5751M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel IPW 2200 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.2 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit Sonoma based - Wifi with Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY else use USB one - (INVENTEC ASPEN UMA MV) (INVENTEC ASPEN DIS PV) - |- | <!--Name-->Compaq C500 CTO aka HP G7000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 945GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with realtek ALC262 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom BCM 4311 bios locked || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->HP DV6000 || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT 92HD 91B || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel PRO 100 VE || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32 bit only - Mosfet FDS6679 common cause of shorts giving no power to the tip. To reset adapter, unplug from AC (mains) and wait 15-30 sec. Then plug in again - |- | Presario F700 series, HP G6000 f730us F750 F750us F755US F756NR F765em || AMD Turion Mono MK-36 2.0Ghz NForce 560m or Twin X2 TK-55 with nForce 610m MCP67 || {{N/A| }} || {{Yes|but needs special sata adapt bit and caddy}} || {{Yes|GF Go 7000m 2D and 3D 640x350 to 1280x800 - ball solder issues due to poor cooling}} || {{Maybe| }} || {{Maybe|uhci and ehci boots}} || {{No|Nvidia }} || {{Yes|Atheros AR5007 bios locked}} || Icaros 1.3.1 and Aros One 1.6 USB || 2006 64bit - f9 boot device f10 bios setup - random freezes after a minutes use means internal ventilation maintenance needed each year essential - No sd card and overall limited phoenix bios options - |- | <!--Name-->Presario v6604au v6608au V3500 || <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA MCP67M with AMD Athlon64 X2 TK 55 amd 1.8ghz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|SATA 150}} || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce Go 7150M 630i or C67 630M MCP67 || <!--Audio-->conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia or Realtek 10/100 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4311 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit Altec Lansing Stereo Speakers - ball solder issues - |- | <!--Name-->Compaq presario v6610 v6615eo v6620us || <!--Chipset-->Turion 64 X2 mobile TK-55 / 1.8 GHz to athlon 64x2 @ 2.4ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|SATA 150}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|geforce 7150 or 7300m 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AMD HD Audio with IDT codec stereo playback only}} || <!--USB-->3 OHCI EHCI || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3 - || <!--Comments-->2007 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=40956&forum=48 works well] - 1 x ExpressCard/54 - SD Card slot - AO4407 test voltage of the Drain side (pins 5-8) with AC adapter and no battery, see 0 volts, connect the battery you should have 10-14v - |- | <!--Name-->v6630em v6642em || <!--Chipset-->nForce 630M with AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-58 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce 6150M or 7150M || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 15.4 in 1280 x 800 ( WXGA ) - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NC6400 || <!--Chipset-->945GM Core Duo || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|GMA 950 2D issues and no 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio AD1981HD}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros || <!--Comments-->2007 - replaced with Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY else use USB g - * 32bit Core Duo T2400 * 64bit Core 2 Duo T5600 T7600 |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NV NC6400 || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo + 945PM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Radeon x1300M (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with ADI1981 low volume}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|BCM 5753M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.4.2 || <!--Opinion-->2007 Harmon Kardon speakers |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NC6320 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with * 32bit Core Duo 1.83GHz T2400 * 64bit Core2 Duo 1.83GHz T5600 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 950 2D with a little 3D tunnel 213}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with AD1981HD codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM 5788}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2 || <!--Comments-->2007 replaced with Atheros AR5007eg if applying hacked wifi bios RISKY!! else use USB - 14.1" or 15 inch XGA 1024x768 - noisy cpu fan for core2 - trackpad rhs acts as window scroller - |- | <!--Name-->HP NC4400 TC4400 Tablet || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo with 82945 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|bios F.07 limits to 100GB 120GB}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|2D and 3D 282 tunnel and gearbox 150}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ADI 1981HD codec via ear phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM 5753M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 or BCM 4306 - Whitelist BIOS F.0C needed but risky}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2008 64 bit possible with Core2 - TI SD card reader non bootable - wacom serial digitiser pen not working - * 32bit 1.86GHz core duo * 64bit 2Ghz T7200, 2.16Ghz Core 2 Duo T7600 2.33GHz |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion DV2000 CTO || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950, X3100, Nvidia 8400M || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Conexant CX 20549 Venice || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia MCP51 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM 4311 or Intel 3945 4965 ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario C700 || <!--Chipset-->GMA960 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->X3100 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros AR5007 AR5001 AR242x}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->Compaq 2510p 6510b 6710b 6910b || <!--Chipset-->GMA 965GM GL960 || <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|X3100 some 2d but slow software 3d only}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio ADI AD1981 HD low volume on head phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566 or Broadcom BCM 5787M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945ABG or 4965ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire OS Xenon 2014 || <!--Comments-->2008 no sd card boot support - F9 to choose boot option - [http://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/7681-This-is-no-request-thread!-HP-COMPAQ-bioses-how-to-modify-the-bios/page111?p=333358#post333358 whitelist removal (risky) bios block for wifi card swap] |- | <!--Name-->CQ40 CQ41 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Intel}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BC4310 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario CQ35 CQ36 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4312 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 Compal LA-4743P - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq CQ42 CQ43 CQ45 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Coxenant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8191SE, Realtek 8188CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 (Quanta AX1) |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario CQ50 CQ56 || <!--Chipset-->Nvidia MCP78S || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Geforce 8200M || <!--Audio-->nVidia HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->nvidia MCP77 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR928X bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 [http://donovan6000.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/insyde-bios-modding-wifi-and-wwan-whitelists.html bios modding risky] MCP72XE MCP72P MCP78U MCP78S |- | <!--Name-->CQ60 || <!--Chipset-->Single core Sempron to dual turion || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Nvidia 8200M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->HP DV6700 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|Vesa for Nvidia 8400M}} || <!--Audio-->{{no| }} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->CQ60 || <!--Chipset-->Intel C2D || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Nvidia 9200M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->CQ57z || <!--Chipset-->AMD slow E-300 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA ATi HD 6310 wrestler}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek RTL8101 RTL8102}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RaLink RT5390}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->HP CQ58z 103SA E5K15EA || <!--Chipset-->AMD slow Dual-Core E1-1500 APU with A68M FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon HD 7310}} || <!--Audio-->Realtek idt codec || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 10/100 BASE-T}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 39.6 cm (15.6") HD BrightView LED-backlit (1366 x 768) |- | <!--Name-->HP 635 DM1 || <!--Chipset-->AMD slow E-300, E-450 later E2-1800 on SB7x0 SB8x0 SB9x0 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->ATI non efi SATA AHCI - IDE mode || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA 2D - AMD HD6310, 6320 to HD7340}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC270A GR but not Wrestler HDMI Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 driver covers Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 14" 1366 x 768 - f9 f10 - external battery - 2 stacked ddr3l sodimm slots max 16Gb under one base plate - removable keyboard - |- | <!--Name-->HP G6 2000-2b10NR 2000-2d10SX 2000-2d80NR || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow E1-2000 E2-3000M on A50M (soldered) A4-3305A on A60M (socket) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Radeon 6320, 6620G, 6520G, 6480G, 6380G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 100 1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 39.6-cm (15.6-in) HD LED BrightView (1366×768) - 1 or 2 ddr3l max 8G - 19VDC 3.42A Max 65W Tip 7.4mm x 5.0mm - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 6465B || <!--Chipset-->AMD massively slow A6-3310MX or A6-3410MX with A60M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD 6480G or 6520G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|IDT 92HD81B1X}} || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel AC 6205 or broadcom 4313 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 13-inch or 14-inch runs hot - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 8470p 8570p || <!--Chipset-->Intel Quad i7-3840QM, i7-3610QM, i7-3520M, i5-3210M, i3-3130M, i3-2370M on Intel QM77 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|set the bios boot options to not fastboot and drive mode IDE rather than AHCI }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for HD4000 with some having switchable Radeon M2000 or 7570M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio for IDT codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579LM }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel, Broadcom, Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->64 bit boots from CD* if safe mode 2 is used, although it is possible to remove the 'nodma' and 'debug' entries and boot || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit with SSE4.1 and AVX - 14in 1600 x 900 to 1366 x 768 - 2 DDR3L sodimm slots max 16Gb - TPM 1.2 - dual boot 32/64 bit is working fine - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 6475b, Probook 4445s 4545s, HP Pavilion 15-b115sa, [https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c04015674#AbT6 HP mt41 Mobile Thin Client PC] || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow A4 4300M, A6 4400M 4455M or A8 4500M with AMD A70M A76M FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 7420 7520G 7640G 7660G}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio with idt or realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek RTL8151FH-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6205 or Broadcom BCM 43228 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6-inch - |- | <!--Name-->HP ENVY 15-k112nl K1Y78EA || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core™ i7 i7-4510U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD4400 and/without NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 850M || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 15.6" 768p to 1080p - 19.5V 3.33A/4.62A/6.15A 65W/90W/120W AC - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G1, 455 G1 F2P93UT#ABA, 645 G1, Envy 15-j151ea G7V80EA, Envy m6-1310sa (E4R01EA#ABU) || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow Dual-Core E1-1500, or AMD Quad A4-4300M A8-4500M A10-4600M A4-5150M A6-5350M 2.9Ghz A10-5750M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for 7310, 7420G 7520G 7640G 7660G 8350G 8450G or 8550G, 8650G, 8750G }} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio IDT 92HD91 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 14in and 15in 1366 x 768 - external battery - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - 19.5v / 4.62A psu runs hot - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 245 G4, 255 G2, 455 G2, 255 G3, 455 G3, 255 G4 80CB, 255 G5 82F6, 355 G2, HP Pavilion 15-p038na 15-g092sa 15-p091sa 15-G094S 15-p144na 15-p142na, 15-Af156sa || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow A4-5000 A6-5200, E2-6110, E1-6010 E2-2000, E1-2100 E2-3800, A4-6210 A6-6310 A8-6410, E2-7110, A6-7310 A8-7410 APU on A68M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata some with cdrw dvdrw || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R2 R4 R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio ALC3201-GR}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8102E or Atheros 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Qualcomm Atheros AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit most have SSE4 AVX but E2-2000 does not - 15.6-inch (1366 x 768) - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - small 31Whr or 41Whr external battery covers 240 G4, 245 G4, 250 G4, 255 G4, 256 G4, 14G, 15G - keyboard repair swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 725 G2, 745 G2, 755 G2 || <!--Chipset-->Amd Quad very slow A6-7050B A8-7150B 1.9GHz A10-7350B || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA on AMD R4 R5 Radeon R6 with DP and vga}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD audio with IDT 92HD91}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 PCIe GBE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom or Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 12.5-inch, 14" or 15.6in (all 1366 x 768) - 19.5V 65w 45W AC adapter - internal pull up tab battery under base which slides off - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - keyboard swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 g2, Probook 445 G2, Probook 245 G2 most have cmos rtc battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow A6-8600 A8-8700 a10- || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon R5 R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel I219V 100/1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel or Qualcomm Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 14in and 15.6-inch HD (1366 x 768) or FHD 1080p - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots max 16GB - internal battery - hp ac psu tip - |- | <!--Name-->HP Probook 455 G3 should have a cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD slow A10-8700P || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 2.5in sata and most should have 9.5mm dvd-rw || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Conexant CX7501 codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|RTL8188EE }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 725 G3, 745 G3, 755 G3, 725 G4, 745 G4, 755 G4, HP mt43 || <!--Chipset-->Amd slow A8-8600B, A10-8700B, A12-8800B to Quad A8 Pro 9600B to A10 9800 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA on AMD R5 R6 R7 with DP and vga but screen is low res, dull colours, and blurry}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD audio with IDT codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5762 PCIe GBE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8723BE-VB}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 12.5-inch (1366 x 768) to 14" and 15.6in - 2 sodimm ddr3 - 19.5V 45W AC slim 4.5mm hp adapter - randomly shuts down and the noisy fans constantly on - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 G3, 655 G3 should have a cmos rtc battery underside of mb || <!--Chipset-->AMD 8th Gen slow A10-8730B, A8-9600B (4c4t) A6-8530B (2c2t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for AMD R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6in - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - keyboard repair swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G5 easy cmos and external main battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-6500U, i5-6200U, i3-6100U to slow i3-6006U, N3710 all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for iGPU Intel HD405 to HD520 dGPU or AMD Radeon R5 430M}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3227 (or ALC282) codec 0x0282 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso with noacpi || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p - HP ac psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G6 SL52 LA-E801P - easy cmos battery and external battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel tested '''7200U''' untested 7500U to slow N3060 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|ahci on M.2 sata or 2.5in whichever installed with 1 m.2 permanent and internal dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel Intel HD Graphics 620 or AMD Radeon 520}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio 0x8086, 0xa170 or 0x8086, 0x9dc8 with ALC3227 aka ALC282 codec 0x10EC, x0282}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|intel sunrise point-lp USB3.0 xHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8821CE or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso with noacpi || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p or 1080p - 19.5V 65W - 2 DDR4 sodimm slots max 16Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - poor hinges - |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion 14-BS, HP 15-BS LA-E802P cmos battery and external battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel i3-7200U to slow Celeron || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in (possibly requires the drive cable and M.2 sata3, most have no cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0x9d70 with ALC codec 0x10EC, x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8188CTV, RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 8Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP 14-bw022na - cmos coin battery and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow A6-9120 APU || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for R3}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio VOID with conexant CX7501 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 not working but port on the right works}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso with noacpi || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p to 900p - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP Probook 455 G4, Probook 455 G5, cmos battery on underside of mb take off back cover and below wifi card || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow A10-9600P APU, A9-9410, A6-9210 APU || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R4, R5 or R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek or intel Wireless-AC 7265}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 15.6in 768p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - keyboard swap problematic - rr03xl battery - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G6 (), easy cmos and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow E2-9000e, A9-9420, 9220P, A4-9125 (all 2c) AMD A6-9225 AMD A9-9425 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in (possibly requires the drive cable and M.2 sata3 and internal cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for R2 R3 R4}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x157a or 0x1002, 0x15b3 with ALC codec 0x10EC, x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8188CTV, RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 8Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G7 (la-g078p) - no cmos battery so needs internal battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow E2-9000e, A9-9420, 9220P, A4-9125 (all 2c) AMD A6-9225 AMD A9-9425 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in (possibly requires the drive cable and M.2 sata3, most have no internal cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for R2 R3 R4}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x157a or 0x1002, 0x15b3 with ALC codec 0x10EC, x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8188CTV, RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 8Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->ProBook 245 g8 - no cmos rtc coin battery but uses internal battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow A6-9225, A4-9125, A6-8350B, A4-5350B APU || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA R4 R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p - many later variants - keyboard swap problematic - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Probook 255 G7 84AE 7DE72EA 7DE73EA (epv51 la-g076p) - CMOS Error (502) replace main internal battery HT03XL to have bios remember settings || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 2200U 2300U (2c4t), R5 2500U, R7 2700U (4c8t) Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|M.2 (Sata or NVMe) and very optional 2.5in sata, most have mini sata port}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d 640p to 768p for AMD Vega 3, 6, or 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with ALC236 0x10ec, 0x0236 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8821CE, 8822BE or Intel AC 8265}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS x64 deadwoods' iso does not boot with cd/dvd and installed to 2.5in ssd, boots to grub choice, select but no further and reboots || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5 to 15.6in 768p mostly to 1080p - 1 on smaller laptops or 2 ddr4 2400mhz sodimm slots on larger laptops max 16Gb - hp 4.5mm blue tip charging - keyboard swap problematic - esc boot options f9 boot order f10 bios - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 725 G5, 735 G5, 745 G5, 755 G5, Probook 455 G6, ProBook 645 G6 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 2200U 2300U (2c4t), R5 2500U, R7 2700U (4c8t) Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|M.2 (Sata or NVMe) and very optional 2.5in sata, some have mini sata port but no cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d 640p to 768p for AMD Vega 3, 6, or 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with ALC 0x10ec, 0x0 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8821CE, 8822BE or Intel AC 8265}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5 to 15.6in 768p mostly to 1080p - 1 on smaller laptops or 2 ddr4 2400mhz sodimm slots on larger laptops max 16Gb - hp 4.5mm blue tip charging - keyboard swap problematic - esc boot options f9 boot order f10 bios - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP 14-cm, 15-bw0, HP 15-db0043na, HP 15-db0996na, HP 15-db0997na, 17-ca0007na, 17-ca1, ProBook 645 G4 - no cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2200U (2c 4t) 2500U (4c 8t) with AMD Carrizo FCH 51 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 M.2 and 1 2.5in on some larger models and hdd port }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R5 and later Vega 3 or 7}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio 0x1002, 0x103c or 0x1022, 0x157a with Realtek ALC3227 0x10ec, 0x0282 but ATI HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB3 USB boot drive stuck on kitty's eyes}} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 RTL8111E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL 8723DE 8821 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2020 Icaros 2.3 USB, Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit 2kg - screen is dim 14in, 15.6in or 17.3" 768p or 1080p - 65W 19.5V ac adapter - internal 3-cell 41 Wh Li-ion battery does not last long - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - no DVD-Writer - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G7, 250 G8 - no cmos battery so needs internal battery and needs usb3 boot due to garbage bios boot options || <!--Chipset-->Intel 8235U 8265U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|M.2 nvme not working, optional sata 2.5in requires LS-G072P and ribbon cable, if internal cdrw dvdrw partial boot}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel WhiskeyLake-U 620 GT2 UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0xa170 or 0x8086, 0x9dc8 with ALC236 codec 0x10EC, x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|Cannon Point-LP USB3.1 xHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso does not boot stuck on kittys eyes || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit 1080p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 16Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP 255 G7 7DC73EA 2D200EA 87CE (fpp55 la-g07jp), - CMOS Error (502) replace 41.04Wh ht03xl hto3xl dynapack suzhou main battery to have bios remember settings || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' R5 3500U (4c8t) '''untested''' mostly dual cores - AMD Athlon Gold 3150U (2c2t), Silver 3050U APU (2c2t), Ryzen 3 Pro 3145U APU, 3200U (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 m.2 NVMe or sata3 up to 2280, optional 2.5in sata, many have mini-sata slimline 6+7 internal port but no physical 9mm drive}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D from 640p to 1080p for AMD Vega 3, 6 or 8 with up to 2gb ram taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with realtek ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but no usb-c}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek GbE RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8822BE}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit and 64bit burnt iso does not fully boot (stuck on kitty's eyes) and installed onto 2.5in on another compatible computer, sometimes has dosboot bootstrap error -6 || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in / 15.6in dim tn panel 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16gb - hp 19.5V 45W 65W AC blue tip round 4.5 mm - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - caps lock blinking 3 times then 2 quick pulses means ram or bios issue - f9 boot order f10 uefi - laptop needs usb3 to boot and use so avoid until usb3 arrives |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G5 needs main battery for bios settings saved || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-8550U, i5-8250U, i3-8130U, i7-7500U, i5-7200U, i3-7100U, i3-7020, i3-6006U all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso with noacpi || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - HP ac psu, 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->[https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c06955717 ProBook 245 g8], Probook 445R G6, 455R G6, HP14-dk0599sa, pavilion 15-cw1511na 15-cw1507sa, HP 15s-eq1516sa no cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Gold 3150U (2c2t), Silver 3050U APU (2c2t), Ryzen 3 Pro 3145U APU, 3200U (2c4t) and 3500U (4c8t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 m.2 (NVMe or sata3 up to 2280), optional 2.5in sata but resets}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D from 640p to 1080p for AMD Vega 3, 6 or 8 with up to 2gb ram taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with realtek ALC codec 0x10ec, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek GbE RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8822BE}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in / 15.6in dim tn panel 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16gb - hp 19.5V 45W 65W AC blue tip round 4.5 mm - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - f9 boot order f10 uefi |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G6 needs main battery for bios settings saved || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-8565U, i5-8265U, i3-8165U all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD 620}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3246 aka ALC295 codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - 45W 19.5V HP ac psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Elitebook 735 G6 5VA23AV, Elitebook 745 G6, 255 g8, HP 15s-dy - no cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD® Ryzen™ 5-3500U Ryzen 3-3300U AMD Ryzen 3-3250U AMD Athlon® Gold 3150U AMD Athlon Silver 3050U AMD 3020e || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|m.2 2280 nvme in legacy - hp sure start and secure boot disabled but still issues with gpt installs - LS-H323P LS-K201P}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Vega 8, 5 or 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 6.34 ahi with realtek ALC codec 0x10EC, 0x0295}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 type-A port boots stick partially to kitty eyes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 realtek RTL8111E or 8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|realtek or intel}} || <!--Test Distro-->2020 Icaros 2.3 onto USB and AROS One 1.8 USB, Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso with noacpi || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 1366x768 to 1920x1080 - 2 3200MHz DDR4 sodimms - 19.5V 2.31A or 20V 2.25 45W 4.5X3.0MM hp - esc bios setup, f9 boot device select - low travel keyboard - poor hw03xl or battery life - plastic hooked base with retained screws - touchpad? - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 445 G7, 455 G7 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 4300U 5 4500U 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 sata and 1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with realtek alc236 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek rtl8111ep}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|realtek RTL8822CE or intel AC 9260 or Wi-Fi 6 AX200}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14 inch 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - smart 45w 65w hp or usb-c charging - keyboard swap problematic - RE03XL battery - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G7 || <!--Chipset-->Intel || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111EP}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso with noacpi || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 745 G7, 845 G7, HP 15-EH0006NA || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, 5 4500U, PRO 4650U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->SSD M.2 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Radeon Vega 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|Hdaudio with codec 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - Bang & Olufsen speakers - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G8, HP 245 G9, ProBook 255 G9 816C2EA#ABE, - no cmos battery only internal battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD RYZEN 3 5300u, 5425U, 5 5500U 5625U, 7 5700u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|NVMe}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Vega 6 or 8 hdmi 1.4B}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822CE or Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14" to 15.6in 768p to 1080p poor gamut - 45 or 65w hp psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16GB - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G9 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel Iris Xe}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6 inch - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 645 g7, 835 G8, 845 g8, HP ENVY x360 13 15, HP 17-cp0021na || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 5650U, 7 5800U, R7 Pro 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Radeon}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x, 0x with ALC3247 aka ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 1Gbe on 645 only}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 13.3" or 14" 1080p - poor screens low nits and srgb score - 845 gets hot ue to poor cooling - slim round hp ac - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP Dev One, HP ProBook 455 G8 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7 5800U, R7 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 15.6" 1080p - 2 internal sodimm slots - hp barrel charging - |- | <!--Name-->Elitebook 655 g9 669y1ut#aba, || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5675U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 15.6" 1080p - 1 or 2 internal sodimm slots - usb-c charging - |- | <!--Name-->HP probook 635 Aero G8 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 5600U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2921 64bit - 14in 1080p - 2 ddr4 slots - ec chip nuvoton NPCX797HA1B - bios winbond 250256JYEN - |- | <!--Name-->HP PROBOOK X360 435 G8 cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->RYZEN 5 5600U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D }} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDaudio with ALC236 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|RTL8822CE or Intel AX200}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - hp round ac plug - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 845 g9 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6000 series 6850u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Qualcomm Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit aluminum case - 14in 1080p to 2140p 16:10 poor screen again - 2 internal ddr5 sodimm slots - usb-c ac charging avoid any knocks - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 445 G10, 455 G10 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 7530U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Vega 7 || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6in - hp round ac - |- | <!--Name-->Hp 455 G11 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 7335U (4c8t), 5 7535U (6c12t), 7 7735U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Vega 7 || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 35.6 cm (14.0 in) 1920x1200 or 2560x1600 - usb-c 45w or 65w ac - 2 ddr5 sodimm slots max 32gb - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====IBM/Lenovo==== [[#top|...to the top]] Build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > iSeries Edge Ideapad Thinkpad - good cases and construction but electronic internals same as anyone else </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad 390X 390E (2626) || <!--Chipset-->Neo Magic MM2200 with C400 P2-266 to P3 500MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA || <!--Audio-->{{No|256AV or ESS Solo-1}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad 600x || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440BX || <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Neomagic NM2360 MagicMedia 256ZX}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Crystal CS4297A codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3.1 || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit a little support - earlier 600 and 600e were Pentium 2 based |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X20 (2662-32U) X21 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440 BX ZX DX || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 with Cirrus Logic Crystal cs4281}} || <!--USB-->1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->no mini pci intel e100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit |- | Thinkpad T20 (2647) T21 (26) T22 || 440BX || {{Maybe| }} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|Savage IX-MV (VESA only)}} || {{no|Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/ 24/30}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2002 32bit |- | <!--Name-->A21e (2628, 2655) A22e || <!--Chipset-->440MX || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Ati rage mobility || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 Cs4299 CS4229}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->intel e100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 |- | Thinkpad T23 (2647) || i810 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|S3 Super Savage IX/C SDR (VESA only)}} || {{maybe|AC'97 CS4299}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel ICH3 PRO 100 VE}} || {{no|Realtek RTL8180L others with bios hacking risky}} || || 2003 32bit with some support |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X22 X23 X24 || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATi Mobility M6 LY || <!--Audio-->Ac97 CS4299 || <!--USB-->2 x 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->Intel Pro 100 || <!--Wireless-->Actiontec Harris Semi Intersil Prism 2.5 (X23 and X24 only) || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit with slice Ultrabase X2 - |- | <!--Name-->A30 A30p || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon M6 || <!--Audio-->AC97 CS 4299 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel Pro 100 ve || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->A31 A31p R31 R32 T30 || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon 7500 or FireGL || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 Intel with AD1881A codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes| Intel Pro 100 ve}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->[https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Android-Ecosystem-Developers/AROS-An-operation-system-inside-Android/td-p/1441741 Icaros 1.5.2] || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit Also tested with Icaros 2.0.3. |- | Thinkpad X30 (2673) X31 (2884-xx2) X31t || i830 || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA only Radeon M6 Mobility}} || {{yes|AC97 - AD1981B codec}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{no|Cisco Aironet or Intel 2915 but atheros with bios hacking}} || Icaros 1.4 || 2004 32bit sound bit distorted |- | <!--Name-->R50e R51 || <!--Chipset-->855M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel 855M use VESA}} || <!--Audio-->intel AC97 with AD1981B codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Intel 100 VE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - |- | IBM Thinkpad T40 (2373) T41 T41p (2379) T42 T42p T43 T43p || Intel 8xx || {{partial|PIO}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI mobility 7500 9000 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97 playback}} || {{yes|uhci 1.1 and ehci 2.0}} || {{no|e1000}} || {{Maybe|Intel 2200bg bios locked but possible AR5BMB-44 AR5212 FRU 39T0081 mini PCI}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2004 32bit 16v IBM plug - Centrino Needs ATA=nodma option - issues with the inner chip of the SMT BGA graphics chip |- | Thinkpad X32 || i855 || {{yes|40, 60 or 80GB 2.5" PATA HDD}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA only ATI Mobility Radeon 7000 with 16MB}} || {{maybe| Intel AC'97 Audio with a AD1981B codec}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Intel 1000}} || {{no|Intel 2200 but atheros with bios hacking}} || 2016 Icaros 2.1 || 2004 32bit - 12.1" TFT display with 1024x768 resolution; 256 or 512MB PC2700 memory standard (2GB max) |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X40 X40t by Quanta || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel 800 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel but most atheros with bios hacking - difficult though}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit last IBM design |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X41 (IBM) MT 1864 1865 2525 2526 2527 2528 x41t (Lenovo) MT 1866 1867 || <!--Chipset-->Intel with single core 1.5 1.6 and tablet 1.2GHz || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 915GML 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751M tg3}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel or MiniPCI Wi-Fi Atheros AR5BMB FRU 39T0081 but ordinary atheros 54meg needs risky bios hacking}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit - amongst first Lenovo design - 3pin cmos - |- | <!--Name-->R52 (most 18xx) || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 915GML 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->R52 1846, 1847, 1848, 1849, 1850, 1870 || <!--Chipset-->ATi 200m || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{No|ATI}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751M tg3}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad T60 T60P * 64bit - 6 or 8 is 16:10 on T60/p, eg. 8742-CTO 15.4" * 32bit - 1 and 2 are 14", 15" 4:3, like 2007-YM3 or 1952-CTO || <!--Chipset-->*any* T60/p will take a Core 2 Duo CPU with newer BIOS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA (2D) with "p" graphics card (ATi V5200 or V5250) || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|e1000e 82573L}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel ipw3945 ABG but atheros with Middleton's or Zender BIOS hacking risky}} || Icaros 1.4 || <!--Comments-->2006 - |- | <!--Name-->X60 x60s x60t tablet || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AD1981 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 3945 ABG or fru 39T5578 Atheros 5K AR5BXB6 ar5007eg with bios hacking}} || <!--Comments-->Icaros 1.4 || 2006 32bit - perhaps needs a zendered bios update but risky |- | <!--Name-->R60 R60e || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 950 with optional radeon x1300 x1400 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with 1981HD codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel or Broadcom || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel 3945 or atheros fru 39T5578 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | Thinkpad T61 T61p without Middleton's or Zender BIOS || Core 2 Duo CPU T7300 T8300 || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || Intel GMA (2D), NVS 140m or Quadro FX 570M () || {{maybe|HD Audio with Analog Devices AD1984 or AD1984A HD Audio Codec routed to the line output}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|intel e1000e 82573L}} || {{No|Intel but atheros with bios hacking risky}} || Icaros 1.6, AROS One || 2007 64bit |- | <!--Name-->X61 x61s X61T Tablet || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo T8100 on i965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 3100 (2D) slow 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AD1984 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566DM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|Atheros AR5212 (some revisions use Intel WLAN runs very hot) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit ultrabook running very hot - ddr2 max 4gb - 3pin cmos - |- | <!--Name-->R61 R61i || <!--Chipset-->Intel 965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 965 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5787M || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit |- | Lenovo 3000 N200 || <!--Chipset-->Santa Rosa || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || {{yes|Geforce 7300 (2D)}} || {{yes|ALC262 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|Broadcom}} || {{no|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || Icaros 1.4 || 2007 64bit 3D graphics parts are supported but buggy. |- | Lenovo 3000 N200 / V200 || GM965 ICH9-M with Intel Mobile Core 2 Duo T5450 || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || {{yes|X3100 (2D)}} || {{Maybe|HD Audio ALC269VB or CX20549}} || {{yes| }} || {{no|BCM5906M}} || {{no|Intel 3965 / 4965AGN bios locked}} || Icaros 1.4.1 2.1 || 2007 64bits of laptop works |- | <!--Name-->X300 || <!--Chipset-->Core 2 Duo Merom SL7100 1.2GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1.8 inch || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel X3100}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio AD1984A || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 4965 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 13.3" TFT 1440x900 (WXGA+) with LED backlight |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge 11″ AMD K325 || <!--Chipset-->M880G || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA for ATI HD4200}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|8192CE (Realtek 8176) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 little support |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X301 || <!--Chipset-->Core 2 Duo Penryn SU9400 Su9600 with GM45 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1.8 inch micro SATA (uSATA) || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel X4500}} || <!--Audio-->AD1984A || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 5xxx WiFi link 5100, 5150, 5300 and 5350 (WiMAX) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 WXGA+ (1440×900) LED backlight display - 2774 or 4057 Alps and 2776 Synaptics touchpad - optical bay interface is Legacy IDE (PATA) - Addonics ADMS18SA, Lycom ST-170m |- | <!--Name-->X100e || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Neo Single-Core (MV-40) and dual cores || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|2.5in tray in ide mode in bios}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa ATI HD3200}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with CX20582 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek r8192se bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 11.6in 1366 x 768 - 20v 65W round barrel - enter f1 setup f11 diagnostics f12 boot list - runs very warm - |- | <!--Name-->SL400 SL500 || Intel || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|IDE mode}} || {{Maybe|Nvidia 9400M}} || {{Maybe|ALC269}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{Maybe|RTL8169}} || {{Maybe| bios locked}} || || |- | <!--Name-->SL410 SL510 || 965 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE mode}} || {{maybe|Intel GMA X4500M (some 2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio with ALC269 codec - speaker and ear phones}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{yes|RTL8169}} || {{Maybe| bios locked}} || [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=645774&postcount=28 Icaros 1.3] || 2009 64bit SL-410 |- | <!--Name-->T400 ODM Wistron || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel 4500MHD works limited 2d no 3d - optional switchable Nvidia or ATi HD3470 untested}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Codec CX20561 (T400)}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Wifi Link 5100 (AGN) half height card with FRU 43Y6493 or 5300 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 20v lenovo plug - non-free firmware required iwlwifi |- | <!--Name-->T400s || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VSEA for Intel 4500MHD works limited 2d no 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with CX20585}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Wifi Link 5100 (AGN) half height card with FRU 43Y6493 or 5300 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit non-free firmware required iwlwifi |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo T500 T510 || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA for switchable Intel / AMD HD 3640}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|Intel HD Audio with a CX20561 (t500) and CX20585 (T510) codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or Lenovo branded unit Atheros AR5007EG AR5BHB63 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit |- | <!--Name-->X200 ODM Wistron [http://itgen.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/installing-arch-linux-on-lenovo.html X200s] and x200t tablet model without [http://fsfe.soup.io/post/590865884/the-unconventionals-blog-English-Flashing-Libreboot-on Risky flash of the Libreboot BIOS] || <!--Chipset-->GM45 GS45 with slow Celeron, SU or faster SL Core 2 Duos CPUs || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe||Intel GMA 4500 MHD 2D but slow software 3D tunnel 10 gearbox 8 tests}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel HD Audio with Conexant CX20561 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{{Yes|USB 2.0 USB SD card reads and writes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82567LM Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel Pro 5100 5150 5300 5350 AGN due to whitelist prevention bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.1 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 12.1" CCFL (webcam version) or LED backlit (no webcam). no support for 54mm express cards or Authentec 2810 fingerprint reader - thinkpoint only no trackpad - 3pin cmos - |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo T410 T410s T410si || <!--Chipset-->qm57 with i5 m || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use vesa Intel 5700MHD (Ironlake) core processor igp with optional Nvidia Quadro NVS 3100M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio Conexant CX20585 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82577lm gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel n 6200 or Atheros AR9280 AR5BHB92 half size minipcie bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 xmas || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit battery life much lower with Nvidia graphics version - no support firewire ricoh r5c832 - ricoh sd card - series 5 3400 |- | <!--Name-->X201 X201s x201t || <!--Chipset-->QM57 Core i3 370m, i5 M520 2.4GHz or i7 620LM 2.0GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|vesa 2d on Intel GMA HD}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel HD with [https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=94.0 Conexant 20585] codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 X201 arrandale power consumption limits battery life to 3-4 hours for 48Whr though to 6 on 72Whr - 12.5" WXGA - 3pin cmos - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad B470, B570, V370, V470, V570 || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core™ i5 i5-2430M, i5-2450M, || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d for Intel || <!--Audio-->HDaudio 0x8086, 0x1c20 with codec || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|whitelisted}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p - |- | <!--Name-->T420 type 4180 4236, t420s , T520 4239 L520 || <!--Chipset-->i5 2540, 2520 or i7 2860QM 2620 has sse4.1 avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS but not AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 136 x 768 - Intel HD 3000 with optional NVS 4200M Nvidia optimus or Radeon HD 565v }} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback ear phones only with Conexant CX20672 codec - AHI 6.27}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO 1000 82579LM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 1x1, Intel Ultimate-N 6205 6250 2x2 6300 3x3 all bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2.2 add noacpi to grub boot options || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - screen 1600x900 or 1366x768 - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots max 16gb - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad W520 || <!--Chipset--> has sse4.1 avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Intel HD 3000 with nvidia quadro 1000m 2000m optimus issues with Nvidia Intel hybrids}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel Hd with CX 20585 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579 Lm}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6000s}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - 15.6" TFT display with 1366x768 (HD), 1600x900 (HD+) or 1920x1080 (FHD) resolution with LED backlight |- | <!--Name-->X220 x220t || <!--Chipset-->QM67 express, dual i5 2520M or i7 dual 2620M sse4.1 avx support || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS but not AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D 1024 x 768 for Intel HD Graphics 3000}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel HD playback with Conexant 20672 codec ear phones and speaker - AHI 6.27 6.34}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579LM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 Wi-Fi bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3, Aros One USB 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit possible - uses slimmer 7 mm storage sata devices - NEC USB 3.0 on i7's - unwanted trackpad gestures when palms rests on it - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots - external battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X120e, x121e Quanta FL8A DAFL8AMB8D0 Rev D || <!--Chipset-->Hudson M1 with slow AMD E350 has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA ATI 0x9802}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ATI SBx00 Azalia HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->USB 2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8169 RTL8111 || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom 0x0576 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit 11.6 inch screen - 1 inch think - chiclet keyboard |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad S205 G575 G585, Edge 11 E325 || <!--Chipset-->Slow E-350 later E-450 with A75 or AMD Athlon II Neo has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA HD6310}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - removeable and plug in battery - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad S206 || <!--Chipset-->AMD E300 1.3GHZ Dual has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with CX20672 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|3.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 10/100 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6" and integrated battery - Conexant® |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo x130e or x131e edu || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD E-300 or E-450 has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon HD 6310 or 6320 }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio Realtek ALC269VC / ALC3202 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB 30 and USB 20}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek RTL8111 RTL8168B}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8188CE or Broadcom BCM43228 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - rubber edged bumper for K12 education market - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge E135 E335 || <!--Chipset-->amd dual E-300, E2-1800 or E2-2000 slow atom like A68M FCH has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|SATA 3.0Gb/s 2.5" wide 7mm high}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA radeon 6310 or 7340 vga or hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3202 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 usb3, 1 powered usb2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 8111f}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek WLAN whitelist bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6 inch to 13.3in 1366x768 - Acrylonitrile-Butadiene-Styrene (ABS) plastic case - external battery - 20v 65w lenovo barrel ac - 2 ddr3 sodimm 8Gb max - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkPad Edge E525 E535 LENOVO IDEAPAD Z575 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-3420M A8-3500M later A8-4500M has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD 6620G later 7640G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Conexant codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB2 but not usb3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 matt - 65W 20v lenovo round psu - thick desktop replacement - ThinkPad Edge E520 E520S E525 E530 E545 E535 E530C Laptop Keyboard swap - |- | <!--Name-->T430 t430i T530 || <!--Chipset-->ivy bridge i5 3320 3230m on Intel QM77 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 1366 x 768 for Intel HD 4000 with optional Nvidia 5400M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD with Realtek ALC3202 aka ALC269VC codec playback ear head phones - HDA 6.27}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2 ports and usb2.0 devices thru usb 3.0 ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel e1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel or Atheros AR9285 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit fan noise and chiclet keyboard, synaptics trackpad - HD+ 768p - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X230 x230t || <!--Chipset-->Intel QM67 express i5 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD with ALC269 aka ALC3202}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|I}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 12.2 in 1366 x 768 - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots - external battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad T440 t440s t440p T540 L440 L540 || <!--Chipset-->intel haswell 8 series Core i3 to i7 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA - Intel 4600 or Nvidia}} || <!--Audio-->Intel HD with Realtek ALC3232 alc269 codec or ALC292 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel AC 7260 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 14 and 15" models with glitchy trackpad and no physical buttons - keyboard repair not easy as well as 4 variants of key caps - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X240 x240t ultrabook TN (20AL0081GE), HD IPS display without touch (20AL007NGE) and touch (20AL0076GE) but all 65% sRGB || <!--Chipset-->haswell i7-4600U i5 4200U 4210U 4300U i3-4100U - two batteries, one internal 3cell 45N1110 (45N1111) or 45N1112 (FRU 45N1113) and external 3 / 6cell 45N1126 (FRU 45N1127) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in 7mm sata (torq t7), m.2 2242 in WWAN slot (m and b key NGFF Sata) || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for Intel 4400 for vga or mini-dp}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0x0a0c 0x8086, 0x9c20 with Realtek ALC3232 aka ALC292 0x10ec, 0x0292}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel® 82577LM Gigabit (Hanksville) }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel 7260n I218-V or I218-LM bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 12.2in 1366 x 768 or 1080p - 1 ddr3l sodimm slot - no keyboard spill drainage and at least 2 variants of key caps - lenovo rectangle pwr ac - TPM 1.2 - Bluetooth 4.0 no support - bottom panel with 8 retained screws - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkPad Edge E545 * key cap swap with E440 E531 E540 L440 L450 T431S T440S T440P T540 * Keyboard swap L540 T540p W540 Edge E531 E540 W541 T550 W550S L560 P50S T560 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Socket FS1r2 A6-5350M (2c2t) or A8-4500M, A8-5550M, A10-5750M (4c4t) with A76M FCH has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in 9.5mm - enter UEFI bios with Enter or ESC, config section, sata into compatibility and security, secure boot disabled - mini sata DVD burner PLSD DS8A9SH || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD 7640G, 8450G, 8550G, 8650G ?? Islands}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|VOID for HDAudio 6.34 0x1022, 0x780d with Conexant CX20590 Analog 0x14f1, 0x506e CX20671 codec 0x14f1, 0x5069 or audio over Trinity HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|boots pen drives from yellow usb port but not from blue USB3 ones, issues with AMD usb3 hardware quirks}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 1GbE 8111F}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM43142 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.3 USB works with noacpi added to end of grub2 boot line but not booting on AROS One 64bit 1.1 via usb2 stick or iso burnt to dvd || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 matt - 20v 65w 90w round lenovo plug psu - 2 DDR3 SODIMM slots 16GB Max - external 6 Cell Li-Ion Battery 48Wh l11s6y01 45n1043 - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery in wifi area jp1202 - amd v(tm) virtualization not working - |- |<!--Name-->Y50-70 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 4 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->GTX 860M or GTX 960M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - |- |<!--Name-->AMD platform codes *Beema: ABM, *Carizzo-L: ACL, *Carizzo: ACZ, *Godavari: AGR, *Kaveri: AKV, *Stoney Ridge: ASR, *Stoney Ridge: AST (NB), || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> *Summit Ridge: ASU, *Bristol Ridge-L: ABL, *Bristol Ridge: ABR, *Raven Ridge: ARR, *Picasso: API |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.laptop-schematics.com/db/78/V%20series%20laptops%20(Lenovo)/ V110-14AST (14in) V110-15AST, V110-14ISK V110-15ISK 80TL (15")], || <!--Chipset-->AMD E1-9000, A6-9210 to A9-9410 all dual core and intel 6006u, 6100u, 6200u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 2.5in sata most 7mm some 9.5mm || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R2, R3, R5 or R6 or Intel Gfx}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 14in to 15.6in mostly 768p 220 nits - 20v 45W or 65W lenovo slim rectangle end ac - keyboard swap hard - integrated 24WHr battery - 4gb ddr4 ram soldered and 1 2133Mhz ddr4 slot max 12Gb - abs plastic - |- |<!--Name--> *ThinkPad A275 12in (1 ddr4 1866MHz sodimm) *Thinkpad A475 14in (2 ddr4 1866MHz sodimm) - both internal (main) and external (secondary) battery || <!--Chipset-->A10-8730B A10-9700B 2.500Ghz later A12-8830B A12-9800B all 4c4t (AVX2 on 9000s) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|7mm 2.5in sata with mbr and not gpt, setup in another machine - secure boot disabled, bios startup boot set to legacy then uefi - WWAN slot cannot use M.2 2242 sata with M and B key}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R5 or R7}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 6.34 ahi 0x1022, 0x157a with ALC3268 aka ALC298 codec 0x10ec, 0x0298 - VOID even with QUERY / QUERYD added}} || <!--USB-->{{no|USB3 error on boot suspect AMD usb3 quirk}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8111EPV}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE WLAN whitelist locked cannot swap}} || <!--Test Distro-->{{maybe|AROSOne USB 32bit 1.8 with noacpi noapic noioapic added to grub2 boot line but Aros One 64bit 1.2 USB has krnPanic }} || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit 12 or 14in 768p - 45W or 65w lenovo rectangle ac adapter - F1 enter bios and F12 boot order - 6 retained screws and snap on base - 2100 error message no solution except using only efi/gpt bios option - |- |<!--Name-->320S-15AST, 320S-15ABR, ideapad Slim 1-11AST-05 81VR || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9220e, AMD A6-9225, A9-9425, A10-9600P 7th Gen || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe| Vesa 2D for AMD}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Ideapad S145-14AST S145-15AST 81N3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9225, A9-9425, A10-9600P 7th Gen, AMD A12-9720P Mobo 5B20P11110 NMB341 Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon 8670A 8670M 8690M GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Ideapad V145-14AST V145-15AST, 81mt, Ideapad 310, Ideapad 320-15ABR, Ideapad 330-14AST 330-15AST 330-17AST || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9225, A9-9425 (2c2t), A10-9600P 7th Gen, AMD A12-9720P Mobo 5B20P11110 NMB341 Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in with optional dvd}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon 8670A 8670M 8690M GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3240-va3-cg aka ALC236? codec 0x10de, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 8106E 10/100 only}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 45w 65w slim ac adapter - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo V330-14ARR 81B1, V330-15ARR 81, 330-14ARR 81 330-15ARR 81D2 - battery internal about 30whr || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2200U, 2300U or R5 2500U Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 nvme/sata, optional 2.5in sata but no dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 3, 6 or 8 up to 1Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1002, 0x15de with Realtek® ALC5682I-VD codec 0x10de, 0x or coxenant CX11802 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14" 768p 20mm thick 1.8kg - 20v 2.25a 45w ac round barrel - chiclet keyboard - 4Gb soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm - TPM 2.0 in bios - 4GB soldered - |- |<!--Name-->Ideapad 330s-14ARR, 330s-15ARR, ideapad 330S-14IKB, 330S-15IKB, - battery internal about 30whr || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2200U, 2300U or R5 2500U Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD or Intel 610, 620 up to 1Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14" 20mm thick 1.8kg - 20v 2.25a 45w ac round barrel - chiclet keyboard - 4Gb soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm - TPM 2.0 in bios - 4GB soldered - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge E485 E585 - internal battery only || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2300U R5 2500U R7 2700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|m.2 nvme optional 1 2.5in sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Vega 3, 8 or 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with CX11852 codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p or 1080p - USB-C 20V 2.25A 3.25A avoid knocking charging port as damages easily - 2 ddr4 sodimm slot max 2400Mhz 32GB - TPM 2.0 software - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad A285 - internal and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen PRO 3 2200U 5 2500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|m.2 nvme/sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec aka ALC257 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Mini-Ethernet/Docking}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm - WLAN whitelist no more??}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 12.5in 1080p - avoid usb-c port being lifted/moved whilst in use as damages laptop easily - soldered ram 8gb or 16gb - WWAN whitelist - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad A485 bios setting [https://github.com/PSPReverse/PSPTool AMD PSP Platform Security Processor Key] - internal and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen PRO 5 2500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata port and m.2 nvme port || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec aka ALC 257 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUL}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi - WLAN whitelist no more??}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in 768p, 1080p or 1440p - avoid usb-c port being lifted/moved whilst in use as damages laptop easily - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 32gb - WWAN whitelist - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->[https://www.diy-laptoprepair.com/forum/fix-Lenovo-V155-15-repair-guide-schematics.php Lenovo v155-15api 81V5] V155 (15" AMD) budget all plastic build - MS new protocol, HID over I2C so [https://askubuntu.com/questions/1033033/elantech-touchpad-does-not-work-i2c-hid i2c] [https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/drivers/input/mouse/elantech.c?h=v6.17 i2c] [https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.16/input/devices/elantech.html PS2 hybrid trackpad] [https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/dev/atkbdc/psm.c?h=releng/14.3 elantech] [https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/dev/pckbc/?only_with_tag=OPENBSD_7_8_BASE i2c-hid] 04F3:3140 touchpad not working - internal sunwoda battery L18D3PF1, L18L3PF1, L18C3PF2 35Whr most dead after 5 years || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' Ryzen 5 3500U and Ryzen 3 3200U - '''untested''' AMD Athlon 300U with bios winbond 25q64fwsiq soic 1.8v bios near nvme || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 M.2 nvme and usually 2.5in 7mm sata - install on mbr not gpt 2.5in in another compatible machine - mini sata dvd/cd da-8aesh11b will boot cd or dvd aros || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D to 1080p work for Vega 3 or 8 with up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken but hdmi 1.4b no output}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio add 0x1022, 0x15E3 with ALC3287 aka Realtek ALC257 codec 0x10ec, 0x0257 with 32bit on external speaker and most of the time works on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 USB3.0, on left hand side, detected but no usb-c ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS works well with 32bit and 64bit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 AROS One 2.8 DVD 32bit and AROS One x64 1.1 and 1.2 iso DVD burnt || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p 200nits tn panel - 4Gb ddr4 2400MHz soldered with 1 dimm slot max 20Gb - round ac 20V 65W psu 4.0mm x 1.7mm - Fn+F2 to enter bios and F12 boot order - no sd card slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - |- |<!--Name-->V15-ADA 82C700E4UK- elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD r5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 with up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with R155189 ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 3500U with Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - noisy fan - |- |<!--Name-->V15-ADA 82C7 - elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U, 3250U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD + 1x M.2 SSD NVme near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 with up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with RTS5119 R155119 ALC230 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3.0, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit 2.8 and 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - for this mbd bios ram disable doesn't work - noisy fan - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo V14-ADA 82C6, - elan touchpad not working - if blank black display, bios bug going from uefi->legacy so reset bios rhs push in with pin, then Down, ent, Right x3, ent, up, ent, right, ent x2 - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' 3250U - '''untested''' AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U - for this mbd GV451&GV551 NM-D151 bios ram disable doesn't work || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD if cbl + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3 up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with Realtek ALC3223 RTS5119 R185199 aka ALC230 codec 0x10ec, 0x0230 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 AMD 3250U with Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - F2 bios F12 select - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad 1 14ADA5 (low spec cpus) ideaPad 3 14ADA05, IdeaPad 3 15ADA05 81W100QVUK, IdeaPad 3 17ADA05 - elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U, 3250U, Ryzen 5 3500U on mobo NM-C821 REV 0.2 1.0 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD if cbl + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with ALC230 codec 0x10ec, 0x0230 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - F2 bios F12 boot select - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo IdeaPad L340-15API 81LW001CUS L340-17API - elan trackpad not functioning - internal battery L18M3PF2 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon 300U, Ryzen 3 3200U r5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 M.2 nvme and usually 2.5in sata if ribbon cable present - mini sata dvd/cd da-8aesh11b || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3 or 8 with up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken - hdmi 1.4b}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio add 0x1022, 0x15E3 with Realtek ALC236 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 not detected}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.8 USB - install on mbr not gpt 2.5in in another compatible machine || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p 200nits - 4Gb ddr4 2400MHz soldered with 1 dimm slot max 20Gb - round ac 20V 65W psu 4.0mm x 1.7mm - Return or F1 to enter bios and F12 boot order - no sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->[https://www.laptop-schematics.com/db/78/T%20series%20laptops%20(ThinkPad)/ ThinkPad T295 T495] || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3300U, R5 Pro 3500U or R7 3700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe up to 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 6, 8 or 10 up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111EPV}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE or Intel AC 9260}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14in 768p but mostly FHD 1080p 250 nits - internal battery - ram 8gb or 16gb 2400Mhz soldered with 1 ddr4 slot on T495 only - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging avoid knock whilst in use - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T495s (14in) X395 (13in) || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3300U, R5 Pro 3500U or R7 3700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe up to 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 6, 8 or 10 up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{unk| needs Lenovo ThinkPad Ethernet Adapter Gen 2 SC10P42352 or SC10P42354}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE or Intel AC 9260 wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 13in or 14in 768p but mostly FHD 1080p 250 nits - internal battery - ram 8gb or 16gb 2400Mhz soldered - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging avoid knock whilst in use - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 Gen2, E15 Gen 2 (AMD) 20T8, - lenovo has a mobile phone PC Diagnostic App for error/beep codes || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, 5 4500U, 7 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2 m.2 nvme, 1 2242 and 1 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6in 1080p 220 nits - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging of internal 45Whr battery - 4gb ddr4 3200Mhz soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm slot max 20Gb - keyboard swap problematic - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkPad T14 Gen 1, ThinkPad P14s Gen 1 (AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300u, 5 4500U, Ryzen 5 Pro 4650U, Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - USB-C charging avoid moving whilst in use - 14" or 15" 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 8gb or 16gb 3200MHz soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad L14 Gen 1, L15 Gen 1, || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300u, 5 4500U, Ryzen 5 Pro 4650U, Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - USB-C charger avoid moving whilst in use - 14" or 15" 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 8gb or 16gb 3200MHz soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkPad X13 Gen1 AMD, || <!--Chipset-->AMD RYZEN 3 4450U, 5 4650U or 7 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->One drive, up to 512GB M.2 2242 SSD or 1TB M.2 2280 SSD NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| but USB-C ports can fail}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek RTL8111EPV, mini RJ-45 to RJ-45 via optional ThinkPad Ethernet Extension Adapter Gen 2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek Wi-Fi 6 RTL8852AE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 13.3" HD 1366x768 to 1080p - USB-C port care needed as damages easily - Memory soldered to systemboard, no slots, dual-channel DDR4-3200 - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkBook 14 G2, 15 G2 Are || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 4500u, 7 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->14in has 2 m.2 nvme but 15in has 1 nvme and might have 2.5in sata metal caddy if smaller battery version || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC???? codec 0x10EC, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14in or 15in 1080p - usb-c charging but high failure rate on the charging port - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot 3200mhz - hinge(s) issues - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad 5 14ARE05 (81YM), Ideapad 5 15ARE05 (), IdeaPad 3 17ARE05 (model 81W5) - elan touchpad MSFT0004:00 06CB:CD98 not working || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' 4500u - '''untested''' AMD 3 4300U (4c4t), 4600U (6c12t), 7 4700u (8c16t) on AMD Promontory Bixby FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1x M.2 2242 slot and 1x M.2 2280 NVMe which will take sata m.2 will boot to grub then laptop reset after choice}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 6 via hdmi output up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 6.36 0x1637 0x15e3 with Realtek ALC3287 aka ALC257 codec 0x10ec 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 or 3.2 gen 1}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel ax200 wifi 6}} || <!--Test Distro-->4500u with AROS One 64bit 1.2 usb installed to m.2 sata on another machine || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 14inch 768p or 1080p - round lenovo ac - 4gb, 8gb, or 16gb ddr4 3200Mhz ram soldered with 1 slot - keyboard swap problematic - integrated battery - |- |<!--Name-->Ideapad Flex 5 81X2, Lenovo Yoga 6 13ALC6 || <!--Chipset-->AMD R5 4500u, R7 4800U, R3 5300 R5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 NVMe ssd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Vega up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC? codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3.1 gen 1}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek ac wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit abs plastic case 14in convertible 1080p touch low nits - 65w usb-c psu ac - possible wacom esr note taking pen supplied - ram soldered DDR4 - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 2, P14s Gen 2 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3287-CG codec 0x10EC, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 - usb-c power 90% failure rate on the charging port - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkBook 14 G3, 15 G3 ACL, || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14in or 15in 1080p - usb-c charging powered - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 G3, E15 Gen 3 (AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5300U 5500U 5650U 5700U 5800U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->up to 2 m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek or intel }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - - usb-c charging issues - keyboard swap problematic - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->V14 Gen 2 (82KA, 82KC) *ALO *ALC 82KD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 5300U, 5 5500U, 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme 2280 and optional 2.5in sata after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 65w round ac adaptor - |- |<!--Name-->V15 G2 Gen2 (82KB, 82KD) *ALO *ALC 82KD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 5300U, 5 5500U, 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme 2280 and optional 2.5in sata after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 65w round ac adaptor - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L15 Gen 2 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5000 series AMD Ryzen 3 5400U (4c8t), 5 5600U, 5 5650U (6c12t), 7 PRO 5850U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p - usb-c charging - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 Gen 4, E15 Gen 4 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 3 5425u, 5 5625U, 7 5825u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 (14") or 2 (15") nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - usb-c charging - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - L19M3PDA 45Whr battery - U24 TPS65994 and QB6 QB5 mosfet issues - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 3 Machine types MT 21AH 21AJ 21CF and 21CG, P14s Gen 3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6850U || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| ALC3287-VA2-CG codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14s Gen 3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6500U || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| ALC3287-VA2-CG codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Ethernet support via optional Lenovo® USB-C® to Ethernet Adapter}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in |- |<!--Name-->V14 G3, V15 G3 Gen3 ALC || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 6500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme and optional 2.5in sata if smaller 38Wh battery and after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15"FHD - battery BYD L20B2PFO - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L15 Gen 3 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6000 series || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Yoga 7 14ARB7 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5, 6600U, 7 6800U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 660M or 680M || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with ALC3306 aka alc287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in 1800p ips 300 nits - usb-c ac charging 71whr integrated battery - sd card slot - digital pen input - 8gb, 6gb or 32gb soldered ddr5 ram - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 4, P14s Gen 4 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen Pro 5 7540U, Ryzen Pro 7 7840U (AI NPU) || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD 740M 780M|| <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1920x1200 - 8gb, 16gb or 32gb lpddr5 soldered - usb-c charging - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 g5, E15 Gen 5 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7000 series Ryzen 5-7530U, 7-7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkbook 14 G6 ABP IRL, ThinkBook 16 G6ABP (21KK001CUK) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7530U 7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 untested}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1200p or 1440p - 100W USB-C AC power adapter - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad Slim 5 Light 14ABR8 Laptop || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 7330U (4c8t) 5 7530U (6c12t) 7 7730U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2 m.2 nvme slot - 1 2242, 1 2280 || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1080p - 8Gb or 16Gb soldered ram - usb-c charging only - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad X13 Gen 4 (13" AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7480U 7040U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 - avoid usb-c port damage - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L14 (Gen4), L15 Gen 4 (15" AMD) || <!--Chipset-->MD Ryzen 5 PRO 7530U, 7480U 7040U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - elan trackpad - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Gen 4 V14 (82YT, 82YV, 83A0, 83A1, 83CC, 83FR, 82YX, 83FG), V15 (82YU, 82YW, 83FS, 82YY, 83CR), V17 (83A2), || <!--Chipset-->AMD AMD Athlon™ Gold 7220U (2c4t), AMD Athlon™ Silver 7120U (2c2t), AMD Ryzen™ 3 7320U (4c8t), AMD Ryzen™ 5 7520U (4c8t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme and 2.5in sata if smaller 38Wh battery, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for AMD 610M HDMI® and USB-C}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Gigabit Ethernet, 1x RJ-45}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|wifi 6}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 8 or 16Gb soldered - 65W round tip (3-pin) AC adapter or USB-C - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad e14 G6, e15 Gen 6 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7000 series AMD Ryzen™ 7 7735HS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L16 (16" AMD), || <!--Chipset-->AMD 8000 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB4}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 5, P14s Gen 5 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 8840U, AMD Ryzen™ 5 PRO 8540U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVME || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 14inch 1920 x 1200 - |- |<!--Name--> Lenovo WinBook 300e SKU: 82GKS00000 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 3015E || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit 4GB 64GB SSD 11.6 Inch Touchscreen Windows 10 Pro Laptop |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Yoga Slim 7a || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen AI 7350 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 860M || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with ALC3306 aka alc287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 14in 1800p ips 300 nits - usb-c ac charging 71whr integrated battery - sd card slot - digital pen input - 8gb, 6gb or 32gb soldered ddr5 ram - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Samsung==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="2%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->NP-Q1 Q1 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron-M 353 ULV 600Mhz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1.8" SFF HDD 20 / 60 GB }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 915 2D and 3D opengl1 tunnel 95 gearbox 68}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec - head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Yes|Atheros 5006EX}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit old style tablet UltraMobile PC UMPC - Wacom serial resistive pen or finger no support - 1 sodimm ddr2 max 1Gb - LCD 7" WVGA (800 x 480) - CompactFlash port Type II - |- | <!--Name-->NP Q1U Ultra Mobile PC UMPC Q1F NP-Q1-F000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel A100 600 / A110 Stealey 800 MHz CPU || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|GMA 950 2D and 3D opengl1}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio 1986}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros 5006EX}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit 1024×600 - sd card slot - |- | <!--Name-->NP P500 family P500Y || <!--Chipset-->AMD with SB600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Ati x1250}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| Audio with codec }} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8039 yukon}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|Atheros G}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->64bit possible - 15.4 tft display - cheap plastic okay build - 19v propriety end - |- | <!--Name-->R505 R510 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros G || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->R520 R522 R610H R620 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Mobile Core i3 Intel PM45 82801M ICH9-M|| <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650 (RV730) || <!--Audio-->Intel HD Audio with Realtek ALC272 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Marvell Yukon 88E8057 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR5007EG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 64 bit possible |- | NP-R530 || || {{N/A}} || {{partial|IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{partial|HD Audio playback}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{no|Marvell}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || Icaros 1.5.2 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Samsung R730 17.3 Essential Notebook NP-R730-JA02UK, NP-R730-JA01SE, R730-JT06 || <!--Chipset-->Intel HM55 Dual Core T4300 i3-370M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for Intel 4500MHD and GeForce G 310M with 1 VGA, 1 HDMI}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio ALC??? codec Realtek}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell Yukon 88E8059 PCI-E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Broadcom, Intel or Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods ISO 2023-11 || <!--Comments-->2010 64bit - 17.3in HD 1280 x 720 pixels low contrast or some 1600x900 - 2 DDR3 sodimm slots - 2.84 kg 6.26 lbs - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Samsung-305U1A-A01DE-Subnotebook.68246.0.html Series 3 Samsung 305u1a] || <!--Chipset-->AMD Zacate E350 or E450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 6320 || <!--Audio-->ALC ACL 269 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 8169 || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4313 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit |- | <!--Name-->NP-RV415 NP-RV515 || <!--Chipset-->E350 or E450 plus A50M chipset || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD 6470 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|RTL8169 Realtek RTL8111 8168B}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit slow - |- | <!--Name-->Series 5 NP535U3C || <!--Chipset-->A6-4455M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->radeon || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit slow - 13.3in 1368 x 768 - plastic build - 65w 19v psu - |- | <!--Name-->series 3 NP355V5C || <!--Chipset-->A6-4400M, A8-4500M, A10-4600M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->7640M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit - 15.4in 1368 x 768 - plastic build - 65w 19v psu - |- | <!--Name-->Samsung ATIV Book 9 Lite NP905S3G || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-1450 quad 1GHz Temash atom like || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->128gb || <!--Gfx-->AMD 8250 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek rtl8169 but only with mini LAN AA-AE2N12B Ethernet Adapter RJ45 dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 13.3 TN glossy 1366 x 768 200nits 60% srgb - plastic case - 26W battery built in with 4hr life - 19V 2.1A 3.0*1.0mm psu - 1 ddr3l slot max 4gb - 720p webcam - mini hdmi out - 1w speakers - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Toshiba==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of Build Quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Equium Satellite (Pro) Libretto Portege Tecra </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Tecra 8100 8200 9000 || 440BX || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|S3 Savage MX 3D (VESA only)}} || {{no|Yamaha DS-XG ymf744 ymf-754}} || {{yes|USB1.1 only}} || {{N/A}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.5 || little support |- | <!--Name-->Tecra 9100 || <!--Chipset-->810 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|S3 Savage IX}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ymf754}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->eeee pro100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->PSU Adapter For Toshiba Tecra 9000 9100 A1 A10 A11 A3 A3X A4 A5 A7 M1 M2 M3 M4 M5 M7 M9 R10 S1 series 75 Watt 15V 5A |- | [http://tuxmobil.org/toshiba_sp4600.html Satellite Pro 4600] || i810 || IDE || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Trident Cyber Blade XP (VESA only)}} || {{no|YAMAHA DS-XG AC97 ymf754}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel e100}} || {{no|Agere (internal PCMCIA)}} || || little support |- | Satellite 2805 S603 || Intel 815 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|nVidia GeForce2 Go}} || {{no|Yamaha Corp YMF 754}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} || {{dunno}} || || little support |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A10 S167 S1291 - A15 A20 A25 || <!--Chipset-->P4M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GM or Radeon || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel 2100, Agere or Atheros PA3399U 1MPC minipci}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->a few models came with antenna leads |- | Satellite [http://eu.computers.toshiba-europe.com/innovation/jsp/SUPPORTSECTION/discontinuedProductPage.do?service=EU&com.broadvision.session.new=Yes&PRODUCT_ID=76230 A30-714] || P4-M / 82845 i845 || {{yes|82801}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes}} || {{yes|RTL8139}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || nice laptop, drawbacks: heavy, really hot (P4-3.06 GHz!!) - A30 (EU) A33 (Australian) A35 (USA) - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A40 A45 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini pci || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - A40 S161 A40-S1611 A40-2701, A45-S120 A45-S1201 S130 S1301 S1501 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite a50 A55 a60-s156 Equium A60 PSA67E A65 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini-pci || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A70 A75-S206 A80 A85-S107 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron-M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini-pci || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.1 || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - |- | Toshiba Satellite Pro M30 || intel 855 || {{yes|boots with ATA=nodma option}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{yes|Intel PRO/100 VE}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.5 || nice laptop with some support |- | <!--Name-->Portege M300 - M200 tablet || <!--Chipset-->855GM with 1.2GHz Pentium M 753 || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d only - tablet with nvidia 5200 go}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->little support |- | <!--Name-->Tecra M2 M2-S || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855P Pentium-M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->nvidia fx go5200 32mb or 64mb agp || <!--Audio-->AC97 1981B || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Intel Pro || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - PSU 15V 5A - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro L20 267 (PSL2YE PSL2XE) PSL25E L30 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron M 370 1.4 1.5GHz, 1.73Ghz with RC410M SB400 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Ati x200}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|[https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-490297-start-0.html ALC861]}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Boots usb sticks}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8139 Realtek 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros mini-pci should work maybe not working with ATi chipset or need to swap??}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit 14" pioneer dvd-rw - 19v |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L30 PSL30E L33 PSL33E || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 800 or ATi RC410 x200 || <!--Audio-->AC97 AD1981B or HD Audio ALC861 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->L30 PSL30L 101 PSL33E 113 115 134 00M019 - |- | Satellite Pro M40 313 psm44e || AMD with Ati || {{yes|boots with ATA=nodma}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{yes|}} || {{maybe|atheros askey ar5bmb5 mini pci}} || || 2005 32bit - nice laptop with some support |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L40 PSL40E PSL40L, PSL43E || <!--Chipset-->945GM with U7700 1.3GHz ULV || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->{{No|Intel HD with AD1986A codec}} || <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR24xx Askey || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.3 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit only - - 12X 13G 139 14B 143 15J 19O - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L45 PSL40U S7409 S2416 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with Celeron M 440 1.86 GHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->{{No|Intel HD with AD1986A codec}} || <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR24xx Askey || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.3 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit only - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A100 || <!--Chipset-->940G || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia G72M Quadro NVS 110M GeForce Go 7300 / Ati (PSAA3E)|| <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC861 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 100 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 swap with atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A110 159 (PSAB0), Equium A110 (PSAB2E), Satellite A110 233 (PSAB6), || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->ALC861 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8136 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A120 PSAC0 PSAC1 PSAC1E || <!--Chipset-->Core Solo GMA 950 to T2300 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 945 || <!--Audio-->ALC262 or AC97 AD1981B || <!--USB-->UHCI EHCI || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros Ar5001 or Intel or Broadcom || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->15V 4A charger - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A120 || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo ATi RS480 + SB450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA - ATI RC410 Radeon Xpress 200M || <!--Audio-->ALC262 || <!--USB-->OCHI UHCI || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 or Atheros Ar5001 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->15v 5a proprietary charger needed |- | <!--Name-->Satelite A130 PSAD6U || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8101E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->ST1311 s1311 ST1312 S2276 S2386 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A135 S2686 (Compal LA 3391P) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8101E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->S2246 S2346 S2256 S4477 S4666 S4827 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A200 PSAE1E (Inventec MW10M) || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M with 945GM Express Celeron M 520 1.6Ghz or Pentium® Core Duo T2130 1.86 GHz || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D)}}|| <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio ALC862}}|| <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|RTL8101E rtl8139}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000 - FN,F5 or FN,F8 or switch}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments-->2006 Excellent 32 bit support! - make sure that your WLAN card is enabled, do this using the hardware switch and FN+F8 key combination |- | <!--Name--> A210, Satellite A215 AMD (Inventec 10A) S5808 || <!--Chipset--> Ati with SB690 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA HD2600 Mobility M76}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC268 || <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8101E}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000}}|| <!--Test Distro-->2018 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments-->A215-S7422 A215-S7472 A215-S4697 (USA) - |- | <!--Name--> [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=62036 A215 S4757] || <!--Chipset--> Ati X1200 with SB600 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8101E}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000}}|| <!--Test Distro-->2017 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Qosmio G30 (PQG31C-HD202E) || <!--Chipset-->945 with Duo T2500 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Nouveau Nvidia Go 7600 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 17" UXGA 1920x1200, |- | <!--Name-->Tecra A10 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|Intel GMA 4500M (2D)}} || <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO 1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel WiFi Link 5100}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->64 bit possible |- | <!--Name-->L35 - L40 PSL48E - L45 S7423 || <!--Chipset-->GL960 with Intel Celeron || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|X3100 some 2D but software 3d tunnel 9 gearbox 4}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC660 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|REALTEK 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8187b replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->1,73Ghz M 520 or M 540 or Dual T2310 (1.46 GHz) T2330 (1.6 GHz) - 14H 14N 15B 17H 17K 17R 17S 18Z - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite a300 - inventec potomac 10s pt10s A300D 21H || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio - Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8102E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5005 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->satellite L300D-224 PSLC8E PSLC9E, l305 (inventec ps10s) || <!--Chipset-->AMD M780 with Turion RM70 or QL-64 || <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} || <!--SATA--> {{yes|SATA}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA for Radeon 3100}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC268}} || <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{no|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros G XB63L or Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros Desktop Live 2.3 AROS One 2.3 || <!--Comments--> Wireless-handler crashing when using Atheros-Wireless-Card |- | <!--Name-->Satellite P300 (PSPC0C-01D01C) || <!--Chipset-->945GM with Intel Core 2 Duo T5750 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Audio-->{{No| codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| swap with Atheros 5k }} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2007 |- | <!--Name-->satellite l300-1bw PSLBDE-005005AR, L300-148 PSLB0E, l300-20D PSLB8E-06Q007EN, l300-294 L300-23L PSLB9E || <!--Chipset-->Intel GM45 + PGA478 socket Celeron 900, Pentium T1600, T2390, T3400 (Socket P) to Core2 Duo T6400 T6670 || <!--IDE--> {{unk|IDE}} || <!--SATA--> {{unk|SATA}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA for Intel gma 4500M}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC???}} || <!--USB--> {{unk|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{unk|rtl8169 Realtek 810xE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64-bit - new unfamiliar Bios called insyde H20 - |- | <!--Name-->satellite l350d || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon (tm) X2 QL-60 + RS780M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 3100 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->Realtek 8187b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L450 12 13 14 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron, 2.1GHz with AMD RS780M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 3200 (based on HD 2400) || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->Realtek 8172 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 12X 13P 13X 14V PSLY6E00C006EN |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro L450 (Compal LA-5821P) 179 || <!--Chipset-->intel celeron 900 2.20 Ghz no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 4500m || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8101 /2 /6E PCI Express Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->RTL8191 SEvB || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 39.6cm (15.6”) Toshiba TruBrite® HD TFT 16:9 768p |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Toshiba Satellite P775, P775-S7320 and P775-10K || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5 (2nd Gen) 2430M i7-2630QM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2D for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 17.3" - 1600 x 900 (HD+) - 2 DDR3 sodimm max 16Gb - |- |<!--Name-->Toshiba Satellite C660D-19X || <!--Chipset-->AMD E-300 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for ATi}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio with Realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|r8169 rtl8101e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8188 8192ce rtl8192ce}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->L755D (E-350) L750D (E-450) || <!--Chipset-->AMD E350 E450 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 6310 6320 || <!--Audio-->HDAudio conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro SP C640 C660D-15X (PSC1YE) C670D- () || <!--Chipset-->AMD E350 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->6310G || <!--Audio-->HD Realtek ALC259 || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->C70D-A C75D-A || <!--Chipset-->E1-1200 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|AMD HD8330}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HA Audio CX20751 11Z}} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8162 alx}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8188e}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |} ====Misc==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Time 500 Packard Bell EasyOne 1450 1550 || <!--Chipset-->K6-3 500Mhz + VIA MVP4 vt82c686a || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|Issues}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA AC97 3058 with wolfson codec WM9703 WM9704 WM9707 WM9708 or WM9717}} || <!--USB-->via 3038 2 ports USB 1.1 untested || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro-->NB May 2013 || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit grub runs but stalls around [PCI] Everything OK |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX201/FX202 FX210/FX215 FX401/FX402 FX404/FX405 972M, FX501/FX502 FX504/FX505 || <!--Chipset-->VIA KT133A KM133 Duron 800Mhz Athlon 1.3Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{partial|boot issue with 2013 kernel VIA [rev 06]}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage Mobility Pro (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|VIA AC97 686b [rev 50] AD1881A Ear phone and Mic}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Comments-->Nightly 1st March 2013 || <!--Comments-->booting usb pendrive from Plop Boot Loader floppy (no bios USB boot). Can freeze coz hardware issue or a ram slot problem - no support for iLink firewire VT8363/8365 pci - vt82c686b |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX601/FX602, FX604/FX605 FXA53(US), FX701/FX702, FX704/FX705, FX801/FX802 FX804/FX805 || <!--Chipset-->VIA KT133A KM133 Duron 800Mhz Athlon 1.3Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{partial|boot issue with 2013 kernel VIA [rev 06]}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage Mobility Pro (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|VIA AC97 686b [rev 50] AD1881A Ear phone and Mic}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Comments-->Nightly 1st March 2013 || <!--Comments-->booting usb pendrive somes works |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX100 R505LE || <!--Chipset-->Intel i815 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA Intel 82815 CGC || <!--Audio-->Intel ICH AC97 with ADI AD1881A codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel e100 || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->PCG-FX105 FX105K PCG-FX108 FX108K PCG-FX109 FX109K FX200 FX203/FX203K FX205 FX205K FX209 FX209K FX220 [http://juljas.net/linux/vaiofx240/ FX240] FX250 FX270 FX290 FX301 FX302 FX340 FX370 FX390 FX403 FX503 FX950 |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | Sony VAIO VGN X505VP || Pentium M ULV and Intel 855GM || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Intel 855 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || {{N/A}} || || 2004 32bit - 0.38 inches at its thinnest point - first laptop to feature a "chiclet" keyboard resemble Chiclets gum - |- | <!--Name-->Sony Z505LE Z505JE || <!--Chipset-->P3 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->n/a || <!--Gfx-->Rage Mobility M1 AGP mach64 || <!--Audio-->no Yamaha DS-XG PCI YMF744 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 8255x based PCI e100 || <!--Wireless-->n/a || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-18 || <!--Chipset-->Core || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|gma for i915}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 SigmaTel}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|usb2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8139C}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel swap for atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' D02 test || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-29 CF-30 || <!--Chipset-->Core || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA || <!--Audio-->AC97 SigmaTel || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139C || <!--Wireless-->Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->MSI Microstar PR210 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA ATi RS690M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio through speaker / head phones but not hdmi}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8111 8169}} || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR242x AR542x aw-ge780 mini pci-e || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - ENE PCI based SD card with no bios boot option |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Advent 7106 EAA-88 || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M 1.7GHz with 915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D and 3D tunnel 187 gearbox 67}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 Intel ICH6 with Conexant Cx20468 31 codec playback head phones only}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200BG Fn/F2 replaced with atheros mini pci in small base panel - startup errors in wireless manager}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" cheap rubbish sadly - fan noise through audio channel - |- | <!--Name-->Motion Computing LE1600 PC Slate || <!--Chipset-->915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->915 || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 SigmaTel STAC9758 9759 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8169 || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 serial Wacom digitiser not usb |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-51 CF-P1 CF-T5 CF-Y2 || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom || <!--Wireless-->Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio VGN-AR11S || <!--Chipset-->ntel Core Duo T2500 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes| Nvidia Go 7600}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 32bit || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 17" 1920x1200 - blu-ray - |- | Sony Vaio VGN SR29VN || Intel ICH9 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy}} || {{partial|ATI HD 3400 (VESA only)}} || {{partial|HD Audio (too quiet)}} || {{yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} || {{no|Marvell 8040}} || {{no|Intel 5100}} || Icaros 1.5 || 2007 32bit - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Wyse XM Class DELL WYSE Xn0m LAPTOP || <!--Chipset-->AMD T-G56N 1.6 1.65Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->decased 2.5in ssd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d only AMD 6320}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|EHCI 2.0 with NEC uPD720200 USB 3.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek rtl8169 8111E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 93xx}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 1366 x 768 14" - 2 ddr3l slots max 16gb - 19v coax barrel plug psu - |- | <!--Name-->MSI Ge40 Ge60 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 4 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GTX 860M || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Killer}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI GE62 2QF Apache Pro || <!--Chipset-->Intel 5 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GTX 970M || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Killer }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK2 || <!--Chipset-->Core i5-3437U, 1.9GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ToughPad FZ-G1 Mk3 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-4310U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD 4400 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio Codec ALC255 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->[https://wiki.recessim.com/view/Panasonic_Toughpad_FZ-G1_MK4 Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK4] || <!--Chipset-->intel 6300U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel 520 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC256 codec - o/c or s/c fails early || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but options on the right hand side of screen case}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|intel ac 8260}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 10.1in 1600x1200 - 4gb ddr3l soldered - waterproof pen left hand side base - optional slot-in 4g lte and sdhc - 16v 4.06A 64.96W panasonic barrel - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK5 || <!--Chipset-->intel i5-7300U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel 620 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC295 codec - o/c or s/c fails early || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but optional usb2 plugin r.h.s. of screen casing}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 8gb ddr3l soldered - 10.1" WUXGA 1920 x 1200 with LED backlighting screen 2-800 nit - 10-point capacitive multi touch + Waterproof Digitizer pen l.h.s - |- | <!--Name-->ToughPad FZ-M1 || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core TM m5-6Y57 vPro TM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD 4200 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC codec || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 7in 800p - 8gb ddr3l soldered - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Any Razor Razer laptops || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->AVOID unable to remove secure boot |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Netbook=== [[#top|...to the top]] * PC to write Aros image onto an USB pendrive with Raspberry PI writer, USB writer or Rufus for boot purposes on a netbook * SD card sometimes can boot like Dell 2100, EeePC 1001P, ASUS EeePC 900, acer aspire one d150, MSI Wind U100, ====Acer Packard Bell Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width=100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Aspire One AOA110 (A110) (ZG5) || Intel 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D and 3D) tunnel 99 and gearbox 84 score}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || {{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} || {{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8101E}} || {{Yes|AR5006}} atheros 5k || 2016 AspireOS 1.8, 2025 Aros One 2.6 32bit USB || 2007 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel A13-045N2A 19V2.37A 45W 5.5x1.7mm - |- | Aspire One AOA150 (A150) (ZG5) || Intel 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and accelerated 3D with tunnel 99 and gearbox 84.1 result}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || {{Yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8101E}} || {{Yes|AR5006}} atheros 5k || 2016 AspireOS 1.8, 2025 aros one 2.6 32bit USB || 2007 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | Aspire One AOD150 D150 (Compal LA-4781P), AOD110 D110 (ssd) || Intel 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide legacy}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HDAudio with alc272}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{No|Atheros AR8121 AR8113 AR8114 l1e}} || {{Maybe|AR5007EG AR5BXB63 works but Broadcom BCM4312 has no support}} || 2010 Icaros Desktop 1.3, 2024 Aros one 32bit USB || 2008 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | Aspire One (ZG8) || Intel 945G and N270 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and accelerated 3D}} || {{maybe|HD Audio }} || {{Yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{No|Broadcom }} || {{no|Intel}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.8 || 2009 32bit - |- | Aspire One AOD250 D250 emachines em250 || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide legacy}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{Yes|alc272 HD Audio}} || {{Yes}} || {{No|AR8132 (L1c)}} || {{No|BCM4312 or Atheros AR5B95}} || 2010 Icaros 1.3 || 2009 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire AO532H (Compal LA-5651p) 533H Pineview || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|AR8132 (L1c)}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 9k}} || [http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=5968 Tested AspireOS June 2011] || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->emachines eM350 NAV51 || <!--Chipset--> with N450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 3150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 || <!--Comments-->Single core 64bit - 160GB HDD 1GB RAM 10.1" LED backlit screen and Webcam - 3 cell li-ion battery for 3 hours usage - |- | <!--Name-->emachines eM355 || <!--Chipset--> with N455 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->64bit support possible - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One 533 || <!--Chipset-->N455 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D 0x8086 0xa011}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| ALC272 codec ich7}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8152 v1.1 1c}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4313}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 and AROS One 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - f2 setup - 10.1inch 1024 x 768 - |- | Aspire One AOD255 AOD255e AOD260 AOHAPPY (Compal LA-6221P) || N570 and Nm10 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|SATA}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 3150}} || Audio || USB || {{No|Atheros AR8152 V1.1 (1lc)}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313}} || || a little support |- | Aspire One 522 AO522 (Compal LA-7072p) || 1GHz dual C-50 C50 or C-60 C60 + Hudson M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || AMD 6250 (ATI 9804) or 6290 || ATI SB CX20584 HD Audio || USB || Atheros 8152 v2.0 l1c || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313 or Atheros ath9k}} || || |- | <!--Name-->AAOD270 Aspire One D270 || <!--Chipset-->N2600 Cedarview || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D on Intel GMA 3650}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8169 RTL8101E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4313 but swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit atom - ddr2 so-dimm 2gb max - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One AO532G (Compal LA-6091p) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One D257 (Quanta ZE6) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire One 722 AO722 P1VE6 || <!--Chipset-->AMD C-60 C60 with SB900 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| use VESA Ati 6290}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec but no Wrestler HDMI output}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros AR8152 v2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One AO721 (Wistron SJV10-NL) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AO751 AO751H (Quanta ZA3) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .S || <!--Chipset-->N280 + || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|legacy}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}}|| <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC272X || <!--USB--> USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Atheros l1e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros 9k}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .SE || <!--Chipset-->N450 + || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA950 (2D) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC|| <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .S2 NAV50 || <!--Chipset-->N455 NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel X3150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Atheros || <!--Wireless-->Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot M/A || <!--Chipset-->1.2GHz Athlon L110 + RS690E || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy mode? || <!--Gfx-->AMD ATI Radeon Xpress X1270 (VESA only) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ATI SBx00 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E rtl8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Asus Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 700 701 2G 4G 8G Surf || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 900 2D and 3D tunnel 68 gearbox 43 on 701 800x480}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{Yes|Atheros 5k AR5007EG (AR2425 works}} || 2016 Icaros 2.1.1, 2.1.2, Aros One 2.5 32bit USB, || 2007 32bit - power supplies fail due to bad caps issue 9.5V 2.5A 24W Charger AD59930 4.8*1.7MM - |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 701SD || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 900 (2D)}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{No|RTL8187SE swap with Atheros 5k}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.7, || 2007 32bit - boot issues but does boot with ATA=32bit,nopoll or ATA=nodma,nopoll |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 900 || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 900 (2D, 3D in some models)}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{Maybe|depends on chipset AR5007EG (AR2425) works but not RaLink}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.7, || 2008 32bit - boot issues but does boot with ATA=32bit,nopoll or ATA=nodma,nopoll. 900's may need BIOS upgrade to boot usb optical drives. 3D available in some model revisions - AD59230 9.5v 2.31a psu - |- | eeePC 900A || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (3D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{Yes|USB2.0}} || {{No|Atheros L1e [1969 1026]}} || {{Yes|Atheros 5k AR242x}} || Nightly Build 2012, 2023 Aros One 32bit 2.4 || 2009 32bit |- | eeePC 901 1000 || 945GM || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|ALC269 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{No|Atheros L1E (AR8121 AR8113 AR8114)}} || {{No|RaLink Device 2860 swap with Atheros 5k}} || 2011 Icaros 1.4, || 2009 32bit - 12v 3a psu - |- | eeePC Seashell 1000HA 1000HE 1008 1005HA || N280 + Intel GMA950 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{Maybe|Realtek but not Atheros AR8132 (L1c)}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || 2014 Aspire OS 1.6, || 2010 32bit - 12v 3a psu - |- | <!--Name-->eeePC 1001ha || <!--Chipset-->GMA945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC269 HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Attansic Atheros AR8132 l1c}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RaLink RT3090 swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 32bit |- | eeePC 1001P T101MT 1005PX 1005PE 1015PE Pineview 1001PXD || NM10 and N450 N455 CPU || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio}} || {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || {{No|Atheros AR8132 (l1c)}} || {{unk|Atheros AR928x 802.11n}} || 2010 Icaros 1.3.3, || 2011 64bit - 19V 2.1A 2.3x0.7 - |- | EeePC 1015B 1215B || single C-30 C30 or dual C-50 C50 + Hudson M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{partial|AMD 6250 (VESA only)}} || ATI SBx00 HD Audio || USB || {{No|AR8152 v2.0 atl1c}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313 [14e4 4727]}} || untested recently || 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Flare X101CH Cedarview || <!--Chipset-->N2600 + N10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 6300 || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros l1c 2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Flare 1025CE 1225CE || <!--Chipset-->N2800 + N10 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{dunno|Intel GMA 3600}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros l1c 2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Dell Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Inspiron 910 Mini 9 PP39S Vostro A90 || GMA945 || {{Maybe|STEC 8G 16G 32G IDE PATA Parallel ATA miniPCIE SSD 50MM / 70MM very slow}} || {{N/A| }} || {{yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D opengl1}} || {{yes|ALC268 HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB2 boots and works}} || {{yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8102E}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4310 and 4312 swap with atheros 5k bx32}} || ICAROS 1.3 but Icaros 2.3 (pci issues), AROS One 2.6 and Tiny AROS (digiclock startup) mouse cursor vanishes || 2008 32bit - 9inch 1024x600 screen - 1 ddr2 sodimm slot max 2gig - 19v 1.58a - 0 boot disk select - cr2032 battery under laptop base cover, while mem 2GB max under base flap - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron Mini 10 1010 PP19S || <!--Chipset-->Atom Z520 Z530 Intel US15W Poulsbo || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel GMA 500 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or BCM4312}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - 10.10 inch 16:9, 1366 x 768 glossy - 28whr or 56wHr battery options - |- | [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks#Dell%20Mini%2010v%20(Inspiron%201011) Mini 10v 1011] [http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/InspironMini10v ] || Intel 950 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|ide legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|HDAudio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL8102E 8103E}} || {{no|Dell 1397 Wireless}} || untested || 2008 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron Mini 1018 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Atom N455 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D, no VGA output)}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio head phones only - speaker and micro phone do not work}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|RTL8188CE or AR928X}} || <!--Test Distro-->2011 Icaros 1.5.1, || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 1 DDR3 max 2gb - |- | Latitude 2100 || Intel Atom N270 N280 1.60Ghz GMA 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|set to IDE in bios as ahci not working || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D with tunnel 98 and gearbox 84)}} || {{yes|HD Audio with ALC272 codec}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM5764M}} || {{No|Intel 5100 or BCM4322 DW 1510 half height mini pcie use small Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 AspireOS 1.8, Icaros 2.1.1 and AROS One USB 2.4 || 2009 32bit ddr2 sodimm max 2G - [https://sites.google.com/site/arosaspireone/about-aspire-one Webcam and card reader not working] lcd cable over hinge an issue - f12 bios and boot - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 2110 2120 || <!--Chipset-->N470 1.83Ghz, N455 1.6Ghz, N550 1.5Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|ATA mode in bios not ahci}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 3150 2D only}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->2014 Icaros 2.3, || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - ddr2 sodimm |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | HP Mini 2133 || VIA C7-M P4M900 / 8237 VX700 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{maybe|VIA Chrome 9 HC (VESA only)}} || {{no|VT1708/A HD Audio}} || USB || {{no|Broadcom Corp NetXtreme BCM5788}} || {{no|Broadcom Corp BCM4312}} || untested || 2008 32bit - |- | HP mini 1000 Mi 2140 ks145ut || N270 + 945GM || {{N/A}} || SATA || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and opengl1 3d)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio (playback tested)}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{no|Broadcom Corp BCM4312 hard blocked}} || untested || 2009 32Bit - unable to change wifi card |- | <!--Name-->HP Mini 700 702 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + 945GSE || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio IDT 92HD75B (111d:7608, only playback tested)}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom hard locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | Compaq HP Mini 110 110-3112sa || 945GM Express || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio IDT STAC 92xx}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{no|Atheros}} || {{no|Broadcom hard blocked Fn+F12}} || untested || 2009 32bit - unable to change wifi |- | HP Mini 200 210 || 945GM NM10 Express || {{N/A}} || SATA || Intel GMA 950 || {{Maybe|HDAudio with }} || USB || RTL8101E RTL8102E || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard locked}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | HP Mini 311 DM1 (Quanta FP7) || N280 + ION LE || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia Geforce ION || {{maybe|HDAudio with }} || USB || eth || {{No|hard locked}} || untested || 2009 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====Lenovo Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | IdeaPad S9 S9e(3G) S10 S10e(3G) || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|ALC269 or SigmaTel HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Broadcom NetLink BCM5906M}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | IdeaPad S12 || Intel Atom N270 + Nvidia ION LE MCP79 || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia C79 ION [Quadro FX 470M] || {{maybe|ALC269 HD Audio}} || USB || {{no|Broadcom}} || {{no|Intel locked down}} || 2012 Icaros 2.0, || 2009 32bit - does not boot - cause unknown |- | S10-2 || 945GME and N280 CPU || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|ALC269 HD Audio}} || {{yes}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | S10-3 || NM410 and N450 CPU || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || {{maybe|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|Atheros 9285 or Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Samsung Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | [http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=616910&topic_id=33755&forum=28#616910 NC10] || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{partial|SigmaTel HD Audio (playback only)}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{maybe|rtl8169 works but not Marvell 88E8040 sky2}} || {{yes|AR5007EG}} || 2011 Icaros 1.4, || 2009 32bit - Nano silver on keyboard and lcd ribbon cable over hinge issues |- | [http://www.sammywiki.com/wiki/Samsung_NC20 NC20] || VIA VX800 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{maybe|VIA Chrome9 (VESA only)}} || ALC272 GR (VT1708A) HD Audio || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{yes|Atheros AR5001}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | NP-N110 NP-N120 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{yes|ALC272 HD Audio or ALC6628}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{no|Realtek rtl8187}} || untested || 2009 32bit - Namuga 1.3M Webcam none |- | NP-N130 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{yes|SATA in IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 2D and opengl 1.x 99.5 tunnel 99 gearbox}} || {{yes|Intel HD with ALC272 ALC269 codec playback}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL 8169.device - 8101e 8102e}} || {{no|rtl 8192se rtl8187 too small an area to swap for atheros 5k}} || untested || 2009 32bit - 10.x inch 1024 x 600 - Namuga 1.3M Webcam - front slide power on and f2 setup bios - keyboard 17.7mm Pitch is made with Silver Nano (Anti-Bacterial) tech - small touchpad - 1 ddr2 2rx16 sodimm slot 2G max - 44Wh |- | <!--Name-->Go NP-N310 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + 945GME || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|Atheros5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 32bit - N280 version changed specs |- | NP-N510 || N270 euro N280 uk + ION MCP79 || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia C79 ION [Quadro FX 470M] || HD Audio || USB || Marvell 88E8040 || Realtek 8192E || untested || 2010 32bit - does not boot - cause unknown |- | NP-N145 Plus || n450 + NM10 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D, no VGA output)}} || {{yes|Realtek HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || untested || 2010 some support but often the trackpad does not work |- | <!--Name-->NC110 Axx || <!--Chipset-->NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Sata || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC269 codec A9M22Q2 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4313 or Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - |- | NF210 Pineview || n455 or n550 + N10 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{maybe|Intel GMA 3150 (needs retesting, VESA works)}} || {{yes|HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || Wireless || untested || 2011 64bit - some support |- | <!--Name-->NS310 NP-NS310-A03UK || <!--Chipset-->N570 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use Vesa 2d }} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| ich7}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 realtek 810xe }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|bcm4313 }} || <!--Test Distro-->2022 AROS One 2.3, || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom N570 or 1.5 GHz Intel Atom N550 dual core processor, 1 DDR3 sodimm slot memory, a 250GB hard drive, and a 10.1 inch, 1024 x 600 pixel 10.1" W7St - 2300mAh short life - |- | <!--Name-->[https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Samsung_N150 N150] NB30 || <!--Chipset-->MN10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8040}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285 or Realtek 8192E}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 a little support |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.kruedewagen.de/wiki/index.php/Samsung_N220 N210 N220] N230 || <!--Chipset-->N450 + NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit no sse4.1 or avx - |- | <!--Name-->NC110 Pxx Cedarview || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{dunno|Intel GMA 3600}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6000g}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- |} ====Toshiba Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->NB100 || <!--Chipset-->945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|legacy}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC262 HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|AR5001}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini NB200 series NB205 || <!--Chipset-->N280 + GSE945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC272 HD Audio || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini 300 series NB305 || <!--Chipset-->N455 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 3150 (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC272 HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini 500 series NB505 NB520 NB550-10v || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 3150 (2D) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8176 RTL 8188CE}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - |- | [http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Toshiba-NB550D-AMD-Fusion-Netbook.46551.0.html Mini NB550D 10G] 108 (c30) 109 (c50) || C-50 + M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || AMD 6250 (VESA only) || HD Audio || USB || {{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111e}} || {{maybe|Atheros 9k}} || untested || 2011 64bit Realtek SD card reader |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Misc Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="30%" |Comments |- | Cammy's A1600 || GME945 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio playback}} || {{yes}} || {{no|JMC 250/260}} || Wireless || 2010 Icaros 1.2.4, || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Siemens Amilo Mini Ui 3520 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 945 || <!--ACPI--> || <!--SATA-->{{yes}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC269 HD Audio || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|AR5001}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | Guillemot Hercules eCafe EC-900 H60G-IA], Mitac MiStation and Pioneer Computers Dreambook Light U11 IL1 || Intel 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio (playback only)}} || {{yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|RAlink RT2860}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Hannspree Hannsnote SN10E2 24 48 || <!--Chipset-->N450 + NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->IDE legacy mode || <!--Gfx-->Pineview Intel (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC HD Audio || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->Atheros l1c || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2009 32bit - |- | MSI Wind U90/U100 || GME945 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{partial|HD Audio ALC888s (playback only?)}} || {{yes|uhci 1.1 and ehci 2.0}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|RaLink RT2860 RT2700E or rtl8187se (u100x)}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | Advent 4211 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || Intel GMA950 (2D) || ALC HD Audio || USB || rtl8169 || {{no|Intel 3945 ABG}} || untested || 2009 32bit - MSI U100 clone |- | <!--Name-->Hannspree Hannsnote SN10E1 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + GMA945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC HD Audio || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|RaLink RT2860}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit MSI U100 clone |- | <!--Name--> Vaio VGN-P11Z | <!--Chipset--> | <!--IDE--> {{dunno}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Partial|Intel (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Marvell}} | <!--Wireless--> {{unk|Atheros AR928X}} | <!--Test Distro-->2012 Icaros 2.0.3 | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit Rarely boots! |- | <!--Name-->Sony VPC-W11S1E | <!--Chipset-->N280 with 945GSE | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 - hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with realtek codec | <!--USB-->3 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8132}} | <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} | <!--Test Distro-->untested | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - 10.1" 1366 x 768 glossy - 3hr battery life - |- | <!--Name-->Archos 10 Netbook || <!--Chipset-->Atom with ICH7 NM10 945GSE || <!--IDE-->{{No }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->MSI Wind U135 DX MS-N014 || <!--Chipset-->Intel N455 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D only accelerated}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ALC662 rev 1}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|RTL}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR 9K}} || <!--Test Distro-->2015 Icaros 2.1, || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - needs noacpi notls added to grub boot line to start up |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Desktop Systems=== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--May work-->{{Maybe|'''Works a little'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ====Acer==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.acer.com/ac/en/ID/content/support-product/486;-; Veriton X270 VTX270] Intel Core 2 Duo ED7400C or Pentium dual-core UD7600C with 630i | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d Nvidia 7100 VGA and HDMI connections}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| with realtek codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|4 rear and 5 front}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| nForce}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 dvd | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit capable but would not fully boot, DHCP address timeout too short and failed often. Put in a third party NIC, worked - 1 PCI Express x16 slot and a free PCI x1 slot - internal thin long psu with 12pin - |- | <!--Name--> Imedia S1710 with Intel Dual Core E5200 | <!--IDE--> {{Yes|SATA/AHCI}} | <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|Native IDE}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Nvidia nForce 7100}} | <!--Audio--> {{Yes|Nvidia MCP73}} | <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{No|NVIDIA MCP73 Ethernet}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 14-09-2023, AROS One 2.3 | <!--Comments--> 2009 64-bit - Boot over USB not working on front - 2 DDR2 dual channel max 8GB - DEL for entering Bios - F12 for boot menu - Bus weird, could be reason for Ethernet issue |- | <!--Name-->Acer Revo AR1600, R1600 AR3600, R3600, Packard Bell IMAX Mini N3600, ACER Veriton N260G N270G slim nettop subcompact | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Native IDE mode, '''when it works''' boots}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia ION GeForce 9300M - nouveau 3d - '''when it boots''' 400 fps in shell'ed gearbox, 278 in tunnel, 42 in teapot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with alc662 codec but nothing from HDMI audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB boot usb2 stick issues and slower with usb3 drives}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|MCP79 nForce}} | <!--Test Distro-->ArosOne 32bit very often boot stuck around ehciInit, 64bit ... | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 Intel Atom 230 N280 - 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - DEL setup F12 boot options - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - 19v special barrel size 5.5mm/1.7mm psu - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - atheros 5k AR5BXB63 wifi - 3 wire CMOS coin battery - |- | <!--Name-->Revo AR3610 R3610 3610 Atom 330 nettop subcompact dual core | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Native IDE mode, '''when it works''' boots}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia ION GeForce 9400M LE MCP79MX 0x10de 0x087d - nouveau 3d - '''when it boots''' 400 fps in shell'ed gearbox, 278 in tunnel, 42 in teapot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Realtek alc662 rev1 alc662-hd later ALC885 codec but nothing from HDMI audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB with 1% chance slow boot with usb2 sticks, more issues with usb3 drives}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|RTL8211CL MCP79 nForce 0x10de 0x0ab0}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 32bit 1.5, 1.6 and 2.4 usb around ehciInit or Kernel SATA, etc try ATA=off, and 64bit 1.2 USB boot often stuck at device 0x00000000b05228c8 interrrupt by using noacpi noiopica | <!--Comments-->2010 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - non usb hub keyboard - DEL bios setup, F12 BBS POPUP/drive boot - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - 19v barrel psu with smaller inner pin size 5.5mm/1.7mm - replace wifi RT3090 ver c (0x1814 0x3090) with atheros 5k - 3 wire CMOS coin battery - |- | <!--Name-->Revo N281G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 2d for GMA 3100}} | <!--Audio-->HD audio codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX and SSE 4.1 Atom D425 - 19v 65w barrel psu thinner inner pin - 2 DDR3L single channel max 4GB - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - 1lr or 1.5 ltr dvdrw case 209.89 mm, (D) 209.89 mm, (H) 35.35 mm - del enter bios - 3 wire CMOS coin battery - |- | <!--Name-->REVO AR3700 R3700 3700 - ACER Veriton N282G *one long beep with two short - bios damaged *looping one long two short - video card fault *two short beeps - CMOS damaged *got one long and one short beep - board error? | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE ready in Bios * Known issue, boot into bios, set bios to UEFI and reboot, set bios back to defaults and reboot, blank display, repair with reflash of 8 pin Winbond W25Q socketed bios chip with ch341a using P01.B0L or P01.A4 renamed amiboot.rom}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia ION2 GT218 9400M class 0x10de 0x0a64 with vga fine but hdmi fussy over cable and display port used - 32bit nouveau 2d & 3d gearbox 404 tunnel 292 teapot 48 - 64bit not detected}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDA Intel with Realtek ALC662 rev1 codec 0x10ec 0x0662, head phones only but nothing from NVidia HDMI 0x10de 0x000b}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|Intel® NM10 Express (NM10 is basically an ICH7 with a die shrink and IDE removed) USB boots usb, installs usb, accesses ok}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek rtl8111g}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS one 32bit USB 1.5 and 1.6 and ArosOne 64bit usb 1.2 | <!--Comments-->2011 Atom D525 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - early 2 ddr2 sodimm slots but later 2 ddr3 sodimm slots 1Rx8 max 4GB - 19v barrel psu thinner pin - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - cmos 3pin cr2032CL plastic wrapped - del bios f12 boot choice - |- | <!--Name-->Revo 70 (RL70) with or without dvdrw | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->6320 or 6310 | <!--Audio-->HD audio ALC662-VCO-GR codec | <!--USB-->USB2, 1.1 Hudson D1 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD E450 1.65GHz - 19v 65w barrel psu thinner inner pin - 2 DDR3L single channel max 4GB - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - 1lr or 1.5 ltr dvdrw case 209.89 mm, (D) 209.89 mm, (H) 35.35 mm - del enter bios - |- |} ====Asus==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->EEEbox B202 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA950 | <!--Audio-->Intel Azalia HDaudio with Realtek ALC662 or ALC888-GR CODEC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 or JM250 | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros | <!--Comments-->internal 3 types of wifi chipset not supported |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Dell==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> Precision 340 | <!--IDE--> {{yes}} | <!--SATA--> {{n/a}} | <!--Gfx--> {{n/a}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 1.1 (UHCI)}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|3Com}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Dimension 2400 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 82845GL Brookdale G/GE (VESA 640x480 by 16)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Unk|AC97 with ADI codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom 440x 4401}} | <!--Test Distro-->[http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=832495 Icaros 1.4] | <!--Comments-->Graphics chipset is capable of higher resolution. |- | <!--Name-->Dimension 4600 | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{dunno}} | <!--Gfx-->{{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 (use rear black port)}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI/EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.2 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 170L | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex GX260 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | Optiplex GX270 | {{yes|Working}} | {{partial|IDE mode}} | {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | {{yes|Intel AC97}} | {{yes|USB 2.0}} | {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | Icaros 1.5.2 | <!--Comments--> |- | Optiplex GX280 | {{yes|Working}} | {{partial|IDE mode}} | {{maybe|Intel GMA (only VESA tested)}} | {{yes|Intel AC97}} | {{yes|USB 2.0}} | {{no|Broadcom}} | Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex GX520 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{yes|Intel GMA}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|Intel AC97 (no line-out)}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 745 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel GMA (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|HD Audio (no volume control)}} | <!--USB--> {{partial|Only keyboard mouse (legacy mode)}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 755 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel GMA (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.5.1 | <!--Comments--> Around 25 second delay in booting from USB |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 990 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|non-RAID mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel HD (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 360 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|ordinary boot gives VGA mode only - VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio (Analog Devices ID 194a)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aspire Xenon | <!--Comments-->poor support |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse Vx0 (V90 V30), Vx0L (V10L V90L), Vx0LE (V30LE V90LE) from VIA C7 800GHz to Eden 1.2GHz | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for S3 UniChrome Pro}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 VIA VT8233A with ?? codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 back and 1 front USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|early models work but later VT6102-3 do not}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.2 | <!--Comments-->2006 to 2009 32bit - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - 1 sodimm DDR 333MHz SO-DIMM later DDR2 - early V90s do seem to have a reliability problem - |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.poppedinmyhead.com/2021/01/wyse-cx0-thin-client-notes-experiences.html Dell Wyse Cx0] C00LE, C10LE, C30LE, C50LE, C90LE, C90LE7, C90LEW VIA C7 Eden 1GHz | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d VX855 VX875 Chrome 9}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|some VIA VT8237A VT8251 HDA with ?? codec work}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 outside 2 inside USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|VT6120 VT6121 VT6122 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2010 to 2013 32bit - [https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=815.0 boots and works] - 12V 2.5A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - 1 sodimm ddr2 - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Dell RxxL Rx0L Wyse thin client *R00L Cloud PC of Wyse WSM *R10L Wyse Thin OS *R50L Suse Linux Enterprise *R90L Win XP Embedded *R90LW Win Embedded Standard 2009 *R90L7 Win Embedded Standard 7 | <!--IDE-->128Mb IDE or 1GB | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA Hyperdisk}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD 690E RS690M Radeon Xpress 1200 1250 1270 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 usb2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit AMD Sempron™ 210U SMG210UOAX3DVE 1.5GHz SB600, up to 4GB single slot 240-pin DDR2 DIMM, 19v barrel psu, DEL key bios - Late 2012 2 data sockets added but only CN18 be used with two white sockets (CN13 & CN15) can used to power the SATA device "4-pin Micro JST 1.25mm |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 390 sff small form factor - mt mini tower desktop - dt full desktop | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek}} | <!--Test Distro-->aros one 1.6 usb | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit dual i3 2xxx - kettle iec plug psu cable - add nvidia gf218 gfx - error code 3 mobo or cpu - |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 3010 sff small form factor | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom 57XX}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit dual i3 3xxx - kettle iec plug psu cable - |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 7010 sff small form factor | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom or Intel 825xx}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit dual i3 3xxx Q77 - kettle iec plug psu cable - add pci-e ethernet and nvidia gf218 gfx - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5010 thin client ThinOS D class (D10D D00D D00DX, Dx0D), PCoIP (D10DP) or D90D7, 5040 *username: Administrator, admin, [blank] *password: Fireport, DellCCCvdi, rappot, Wyse#123, Administrator, administrator, r@p8p0r+ | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode may need 30cm ext cable as small area for half-slim sata ssd - decased new ssd??}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d 1400x1050 HD6250E IGP by using DVI to hdmi cable and 1 display port, no hdmi port}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD 6.34 audio chipset detected but codec alc269 working from one case speaker - none if v6.29 used}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|most 5010 have 4 USB 2.0 but D90Q7 has 2 USB3 instead}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8168 8169 - rev 1.?? 8111? - rev 1.91 8111E}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit no SSE4.1 or AVX slow AMD G-T44R 1.2Ghz later G-T48E 1.4Ghz Dual Bobcat Brazos BGA413 - Del for BIOS - p key to select boot with noacpi - single DDR3 sodimm slot max 4Gb, (8Gb hynix 2rx8 ddr3l)? (remove small board to upgrade) - passive no fan - 15cm/6" small 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - PA16 19v barrel psu Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 7010 DTS thin client (Z class Zx0D) *2011 Zx0 Z90D7 2GF/2GR *2013 Z10D *2014 Z50D 2GF/2GR *2012 Cisco VXC 6000 CVXC-6215-K9 white | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|Bios set Sata mode to IDE mode and grub boot add 'noacpi' for half slim sata2 ssd or/with 50cm sata ext cable}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d HD6310 HD6320 Terascale 2 through DVI and sometimes DP 1.1a - no hdmi port}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio 6.34 detected but ALC269VB codec works on the one case speaker only}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|2.0 works but NEC 720200 3.0 not working}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111e 8111F}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 and Aros One 32bit 1.5, 1.9 and 2.3 usb and 64bit 1.2 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 slow AMD G-t52R 1.5GHz later G-T56N 1.65 GHz Dual with A50M FCH - 20cm/8" high 1.5ltr larger fanless black plastic case with metal ventilated box inside - 2 desktop DDR3L DIMM slots max 16GB - PA-16 19v external psu Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm - 2 40cm SMA female WiFi Antenna to IPEX IPX u.fl Ufl Cable pigtail needed - does not like uefi boot devices - |- | <!--Name-->Wyse 7020 Thin Client * 2013 Quad-core AMD GX-420CA 2.0 GHz (25W) - * 2018 Zx0Q Quad-core AMD GX-415GA 1.5 GHz (15W) with Quad display 3dp and 1dvi | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata port | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d only for AMD Radeon HD8400E radeonsi (dual display) or AMD Radeon HD 8330E IGP with AMD Radeon E6240 Seymour E6460 (quad display), no hdmi ports}} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 quad eKabini Jaguar cores - two SODIMM sockets layered in centre of mobo DDR3L RAM - Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm ac psu 9mm plug is too short but 14mm length is fine - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse Dx0Q (5020) D90Q8 NJXG4 AMD G-Series | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata port | <!--Gfx-->HD 8330E | <!--Audio--> with Realtek codec | <!--USB-->4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 Quad-core AMD GX-415GA 1.5 GHz - 2 layered near edge of mobo 204-pin DDR3L SODIMM (bottom one tricky to insert) - 19v Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm - passive no fan - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5060 N07D thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE bios mode for sata2 port}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d - AMD R5E GCN2 IGP Sea Islands thru dp1 with an hdmi adapter no output thru dp2 - no hdmi dvi ports}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC231 codec head phones only}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 realtek 8169 8111h}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 1.6 usb | <!--Comments-->2017 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 quad GX-424CC 19.5v external psu - CN-0Y62H1 mobo with 2 layered ddr3l 16Gb max sodimm slots at edge of mobo, bottom 0 one blocking - passive no fan so quiet - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Fujitsu Siemens==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="15%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Scenic [http://uk.ts.fujitsu.com/rl/servicesupport/techsupport/ProfessionalPC/Scenic/ScenicE/ScenicE.htm E600] (compact desktop) | | | {{partial|VESA only}} | {{yes|AC97}} | | {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | {{dunno}} | Nice small, silent PC with good AROS support. |- | Scenic T i845 | {{dunno}} | {{n/a}} | {{n/a}} | {{dunno|Intel AC97}} | {{dunno|UHCI}} | {{dunno|Intel PRO/100}} | Icaros 1.5.2 | AROS does not boot |- | <!--Name-->Futro S200 S210 S220 and later S300 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| compactflash CF card max ??}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 315PRO PCI/AGP }} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 via }} | <!--USB-->{{unk|via uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|via VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 74) }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - TR5670 Rev 1.4 mother with Transmeta TM5800 cpu - pci socket - single SODIMM socket for DDR memory PC2700S max 512MB - |- | <!--Name-->Futro S400 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| but swap with compactflash CF card already with AROS installed}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS741CX }} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 SiS7018}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|sis uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169 }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - AMD Geode NX1500 1GHz gets hot - SiS 963L / SiS 741CX chipset - 12V 4.2A 4-pin (DP-003-R) psu - single SODIMM socket for DDR PC2700S max 1G - large case 246 x 48 x 177cms torx screws - pci socket - |- | <!--Name-->FUJITSU Futro S700 and S900 Thin Client (based on mini-ITX motherboard D3003-A12, D3003-C1 lesser variant of [https://www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/Futro/s900/TechNotes_V3.1_Mini-ITX_D3003-S.pdf D3003-S]) *G-T56N 1.65GHz *G-T40N 1.00GHz *G-T44R 1.20GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata data socket but mSata 18+8pins 1GB-16GB | <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 6320, HD 6250, HD 6290 dvi or displayport (DP runs higher) | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{yes|two USB2 front sockets and four on the rear}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit AMD slow atom-like and fanless - 20V 2A psu 5.5mm/2.1mm coax (S900) - 2 DDR3L SODIMM sockets max 8GB tricky to run 1333 MHz on the Futro S900 - proprietary X2 PCI-e - 1 PCI socket but need a right-angle adaptor - |- | <!--Name-->esprimo p420 e85 desktop case | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->Intel 4600 or old Geforce in pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek alc671 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - 16 pin special psu - |- | <!--Name-->esprimo E420 e85+ SFF case | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->Intel 4600 or low profile pci-e card | <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek alc671 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - 16ish pin special psu - hd under front metal bracket, take front cover off first with 3 tabs - 3 slim pci-e slots - |- | <!--Name-->Futro S520 AMD dual 1.0Ghz codenamed "Steppe Eagle" * GX-210HA @ 1.0GHz * GX-212ZC @ 1.2GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->no sata - 4Gb or 16Gb flash memory soldered to the board | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD 8210E (GX210HA) or AMD Radeon R1E (GX212ZC) | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111e | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - smaller than ITX 160mm x 160mm Fujitsu D3314-A11 - 19V 3.4A PSU standard 5.5mm/2.1mm coax plug - 1 ddr3 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Futro S720 ThinClient D3313-B13 D3313-F *2014 64bit AMD GX-217GA 1.65GHz VFY:S0720P8009FR VFY:S0720P8008DE VFY:S0720P4009GB *2015 64bit AMD GX-222GC 2.20GHz VFY:S0720P702BDE VFY:S0720P702BFR all begin VFY:S0720P and end two digit country code | <!--IDE--> {{N/A|}} | <!--SATA--> {{Yes|up to 2 Sata-cable-connector with space in casing so normal SSD/HDD over Sata was running very well on AHCI and IDE-Mode and 2242 mSata}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA 2D for AMD Radeon HD 8280E IGP ( islands) or later R5E IGP ( islands)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HDAudio ALC671 codec partially working, external audio speaker}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|4 rear USB 2.0 but not front 2 USB 3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB 2.0 | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit supports AVX and SSE 4.1 - 1 ddr3 Sodimm slot max 8Gb - 19V-20V 2A 5.5mm/2.5mm coax - D3313-B13 stripped down Mini-ITX mobo D3313-S1/-S2/-S3 (eKabini) D3313-S4/-S5/-S6 - SATA data socket can be located under the fins of the cpu heatsink is fanless - mPCIe socket for wireless card - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu FUTRO S920 D3313-E D3313-G *2016 AMD GX-222GC SOC 2.20GHz Dual *2017 AMD G-Series GX-415GA (1.50 GHz, Quad Core, 2 MB, AMD Radeon™ HD 8330E) *2017 AMD G-Series GX-424CC 2.40 GHz Quad | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{yes|2242 mSata and 1 Sata-cable-connector with space in casing so normal SSD/HDD over Sata possible}} | <!--Gfx--> {{yes|use VESA 2D for Radeon R5E GCN2/3 IGP}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HDAudio ALC671 codec partially working}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|4 rear USB 2.0, front 2 USB 3.1 downgradable to 2.0 in BIOS setting}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> AROS One USB 2.4 | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 2 so dimm slot with max of 8 GB - 19v barrel psu 5.5mm 2.5mm - SATA data socket can be located under the fins of the heatsink - mPCIe a e keyed socket for wireless card - propetary X2 connector with official raizer to X1 connector - almost silent background noise, not affecting sound quality in any way |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Thin Client Futro S5011 S7011 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3 on 2 dp 1.4}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ALC623 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - AMD Ryzen Dual Core R1305G or R1505G 1ltr case - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - 19v 3.42amp round coax or usb-c 20c 3.25a external psu - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu FUTRO S9011 Thin Client VFY:S9011THU1EIN || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3 on 2 dp 1.4}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ALC623 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit Ryzen Embedded R1606G - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Compaq presario 7360 | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Working}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|AC97 via}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq EP Series 6400/10 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{N/A}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|ISA}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 1.1}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Evo D510 | {{yes|Working}} | {{N/A}} | {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | {{yes|AC97}} | {{yes|Working}} | {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | Icaros 1.5 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq DX2000 MT | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel Extreme 2 (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|detects AC97 but no support for ADI AD1888 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|OHCI/EHCI }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82526EZ e1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.51 | <!--Comments-->boots ok but no audio |- | <!--Name-->Compaq DX 2200 | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200] (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{dunno|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|OHCI/EHCI issues }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments-->issues |- | <!--Name--> d230 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|UDMA}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|Intel AC97 (speaker and headphones only, no line-out)}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.4.5 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion a220n || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|VESA 1024x768 on nVidia GF4 MX with 64MB shared video ram}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC650 AC'97 comp.}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8201BL 10/100 LAN}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.5|| <!--Comments-->2004 32bit athlon xp 2600+ Socket 462 / Socket A - 2 dimm ddr pc2700 - |- | <!--Name-->t500 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|FX5200 (2D; 3D with older driver)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 ICH4 ALC658D}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI/EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8101L 8139}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2012-09-22 | <!--Comments-->2004 |- | <!--Name-->DC7700 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes| ICH8}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|82566DM e1000e}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2013-??-?? | <!--Comments-->2006 Some support at low cost |- | <!--Name-->HP dc 7600 CMT | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ACL 260}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO/1000 GT}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP t5000 thin client series t5500 t5510 t5515 PC538A or PC542A t5700 t5710 Transmeta Crusoe Code Morphing TM 5400 5600 800Mhz | <!--IDE-->128mb to 512MB | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon 7000M | <!--Audio-->VIA with codec | <!--USB-->{{No|Issues}} | <!--Ethernet-->VIA Rhine 2 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - ddr max 1GB - F10 setup - all t51xx and some t55xx units will not include a SODIMM slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP t5000 thin client series CN700 *HSTNC-002L-TC t5135, t5530 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d 128Mb Via S3 32-bit colour | <!--Audio-->AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102 VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit t5135 appears identical to the t5530 except the CPU VIA Esther 400 MHz - RAM 64Mb (? max) - 8 x USB2.0 - 12V 3.33A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name-->HP t5720, t5725 HSTNC-001L-TC | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d SiS741GX 2048 x 1536 32-bit colour | <!--Audio-->AC97 SiS SiS7012 AC'97 | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102 VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 8d) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit AMD Geode NX1500 1GHz socketed - RAM 512MB or 1GB, 256MB, 512MB or 1GB - 12V psu - sis DDMA support - custom 1.13 BIOS - pci low profile - |- | <!--Name-->t5000 series VX800 HSTNC-004-TC t5145, t5540, t5545, t5630 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d VIA Chrome9 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio VIA | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|VT6120 VT6121 VT6122 Gigabit (rev 82)}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit - RAM 64Mb (? max) - 8 x USB2.0 - 12V 4.16A Coax: 5.5mm/2.1mm - |- | <!--Name-->t5730w HSTNC-003-TC t5730 | <!--IDE-->{{n/a|ATA 44pin DOM Flash}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d ATI Radeon X1250 2048 x 1536 no 3D | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{Yes|6 x USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5707M tg3 10/100/1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 64bit AMD Sempron 2100+ 1GHz - 1 slot of ddr2 sodimm (Max 2GB) - 12V 4.16A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - F10 enter bios F12 boot devices - |- | <!--Name-->HSTNC-005-TC gt7720, gt7725 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d AMD RS780G HD 3200 - 2560 x 1600 DVI-D & DVI-H | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->8 x USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5787M}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit AMD Turion Dual Core CPU 2.3GHz - 1 DDR2 200-pin SODIMM - 19V 4.16A Coax 7.4mm/5.0mm (gt7725) - |- | <!--Name-->HP t5740 Thin Client HSTNC-006-TC t5740, t5745, st5742 | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->1 port | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Intel CL40 VGA and DisplayPort connectors}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with IDT codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly build and Icaros | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit Atom N280 - F10 on power up to get into the BIOS screens. F12 brings up the boot options - hp 19V one with a coax connector, outer diameter 4.8mm with inner to be 1.7mm to 1.4mm - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots max 3gb due to 32bit - 1 pci-e slot completely non standard - |- | <!--Name-->t5000 series HSTNC-012-TC VIA Nano u3500 VX900 *t5550 512MB/1GB Windows CE6 R3 *t5565 1GB/1GB HP ThinPro *t5570 2GB/1GB WES 2009 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d VIA ChromotionHD 2.0 GPU Chrome9 | <!--Audio-->VIA 9170 VT1708S codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->32bit - 1 sodimm - 19V 3.42A supply connector standard yellow-tip coax plug 4.8mm/1.8mm "Standard HP Compaq DC Power Plug 4.8mm x 1.5mm / 1.7mm Yellow Tip Connector - |- | <!--Name-->HP t510 Via Eden X2 U4200 HSTNC-012-TC shares features with t5570e, t5565z | <!--IDE-->2G ATA Flash DOM | <!--SATA-->one | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for Chrome9 VIA ChromotionHD 2.0 gfx}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|VIA VT8237A VT8251 HDA with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|6 USB2 }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM57780 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit - one slot ddr3 sodimm max 4GB - 19V 3.42A Coax 4.8mm/1.8mm - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP T610 Thin Client and thicker PLUS version AMD G-T56N A55E | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 6320 1 dp port 1 dvi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->two USB2 on the front, two USB2 and two USB 3 ports on the rear | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 64bit does not support AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 204-pin DDR3 1600MHz SODIMMs PC3-12800 under motherboard via removable panel - 19.5V 3A Coax male 7.4mm/5.0mm + centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP T420 Thin Client *AMD Embedded G-Series GX-209JA SOC (1 GHz, 2 cores) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 8180 dvi vga | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->2 front 2 rear USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - soldered in place 2GB DDR3 - smaller than usual 19.5V 2.31A Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - usb stick internal for storage - E15 BBR - |- | <!--Name-->HP t520 TPC-W016 *AMD GX-212JC 1.2Ghz (2 core) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 m.2 mounting holes for 2242 and 2260 SSDs SATA (not NVME) | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R2E GCN2 IGP Sea Islands | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->2 USB3 front, 4 USB2 back | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 2017 64 bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 1 204-pin DDR3 SODIMM - 19.5V 3.33A 7.4mm Coax with central pin |- | <!--Name-->HP t620 TPC-I004-TC *AMD G-Series GX-217GA 2 core APU 1.65GHz (65W) *AMD GX-415GA (65W) and t620 PLUS (PRO wider version) TPC-I020-TC *AMD GX-420CA SOC (Plus 85W) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|single M.2 2280 socket sata3, mSATA socket removed end of 2014}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d for Radeon HD 8280E graphics 8330E Islands GCN2 IGP - 2 dp ports no dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with Realtek ALC221 codec 0x10EC 0x0221}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|4 front, 2 back, 1 inside limited space}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 32bit | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR3L SODIMMs side by side - mSATA ssd and M.2 SSD are M1.6 screws, M2.0 screws used on most SSDs - 19.5V 3.33A Coax male 7.4mm 5mm with centre pin - changed the network card to a Atheros 5000 compatible - |- | <!--Name-->HP T530 *AMD GX-215JJ (2 core) 1.5GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 m.2 sata ssd up to 2280 | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R2E | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->1 USB3.1, 1 usb-c front, 4 USB2 back | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64 bit does support AVX SSE 4.1 - 1 204-pin DDR4 SODIMM - 19.5V 2.31A Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm with centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP T730 Wider "Thin" Client TPC-I018-TC Pixar RX-427BB (2c4t) - no display and fans blowing full speed caused by '''disabling internal gpu in bios''' flash L43_0116.bin onto smc MX25L6473F (3.3V 8-PIN SOP (200mil) SPI 25xx) ([https://www.badcaps.net/forum/troubleshooting-hardware-devices-and-electronics-theory/troubleshooting-desktop-motherboards-graphics-cards-and-pc-peripherals/bios-schematic-requests/96303-hp-t730-password-locked-bios in the rom rcvry socket under a delicate thin narrow surface flap]) with ch341a alike switchable from 5v, 3.3v to 1.8v | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{partial|Storage bios option to IDE and not AHCI to prevent constant install error messages to DH0: - add noacpi to end of grub boot line - 1 M.2 SATA slot (Key B+M) up to 2280 with T8 torx secure stub}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA for non-vulkan Radeon R7 GCN 2 UVD4.2 Sea Islands with 4 dp outs '''but too easy bricking''' if swapping with 1 PCIe 3.0 x8 slot 30W slim factor low profile 8400gs gt210 nvs295 nvs310 gt1030}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDaudio 6.34 realtek alc221 codec thru case speaker only}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|'''Works''' for 4 USB2 in the back with 2 in the front, 2 USB3.0 ports on front and 1 more internal (not bootable)}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG set up first in Prefs/Network}} | <!--Test Distro-->boots with AROS One 32bit and 64bit USB with added noacpi added to grub boot line - press e - Latest distros can select grub boot options with Aros One 64bit USB and Aros One USB 2.8 but system seems to freeze after choice | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR3L sodimm stacked slots max 32GB - '''Larger''' 20cm/8" high 3.5ltr case noisy fan - TPM2 - esc/F9 boot selector F10 enter bios - 2 serial and 1 parallel old ports - Key E Wireless - PCIe slot (x16 physical, x8 electrical) - 19.5V 4.36A 85w TPC-LA561 HP 7.4mm black-ring-tip power plug, red flashing power button, wrong psu or bad MotherBoard MB - |- | <!--Name-->HP t630 Thin Client TPC-I020-TC *AMD Embedded G-Series SoC GX-420GI quad core 2Ghz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|ahci.device mbr msdos partiton table for 2 Sata M.2, sata0 up to 2280 (1tb max), sata1 2242 (64gb max), both T8 torx secure stubs}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA for Radeon AMD Wani R7E with 2 displayport 1.2 sockets, use one nearest to power jack - no dvi / hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio 6.36 0x1022, 0x157a and ALC255 aka ALC3234 codec 0x10ec, 0x0255, pins 0x17 as LFE and 0x1b as int speaker but not ahi 6.34}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2 2 front and 2 rear, 2 front USB3 and 1 inside}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111H}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB 2.2, 2.8 and 64bit USB 1.0, 1.2 with noacpi added to the end of the grub bootline (press e) | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR4 SODIMMs side by side speed 1866Mhz limit - 19.5V 3.33A 65W TPC-BA54 Coax male 7.4mm with centre pin - can be easily bricked, might reflash bios with M40 SP149736 - 20cm/8" high 1.5ltr larger fanless case - esc f1 f9 f10 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq Elite 7200 7300 8200 8300 SFF with kettle IEC psu cable | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE ata legacy only in BIOS}} | <!--Gfx-->i pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|8200 works}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel or Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit dual core - add pci-e rtl8169 ethernet card and pci-e gf210 nvidia low height - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq Pro 6305 Small Form Factor SFF AMD A75 chipset (FCH 6 SATA 6 Gb/s, 4 USB 3.0) *AMD Quad A10-5800B *AMD A8-5500B *AMD Dual A6-5400B *AMD A4-5300B | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 7000 Terascale iGPU series Radeon HD 7660D, Radeon HD 7560D, Radeon HD 7540D, Radeon HD 7480D | <!--Audio-->HD ALC221 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5761}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G1 - SFF *AMD A10-8850B, Quad-Core A10 PRO-7850B, A10-8750B *AMD A10-7800B, A10 PRO-6800B, A8-7600B *AMD A8-8650B, A6-8550B *AMD A6-8350B, Dual A6 PRO 7400B, A4-7300B | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D with Radeon R7 or 8000}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD audio with Realtek ALC221 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom or Intel}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - T15 security torx psu with 6pin PWR 200W connector - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 705 G2, 705 G3 Mini PC USFF thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2.5in and m.2 | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R7 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5762 GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit AM4 socket with 35W TDP A10-8770E (4c), AMD PRO A6-8570E (2c), AMD Pro A6-9500E, or AMD PRO A10-9700E on AMD B300 FCH - ddr4 sodimm slots - 77 x 175 x 34mm (6.97 x 6.89 x 1.34in) 1L and about 3lbs - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 705 G4 Mini 1ltr USFF AMD Ryzen 3 2200G (4c t) or 5 2400G (4c t) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Nvme 2280 and 2.5in sata}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 thru DP1.2 port | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio Conexant codec}} | <!--USB-->USB2 usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit Am4 socket - 2 sodimm 16GB max - 19.5v hp socket ext psu - |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G4 35w, HP Prodesk 405 G4 35W USFF - baseboard 83e9 35W - AMD Athlon PRO 200GE (2c 4t), 2200GE (4c t) or 2400GE (4c t) on AMD B350 FCH | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Nvme 2280 and older models 2.5in sata}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3, 8 or 11 with 2 dp1.2 ports | <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with Conexant CX20632 codec}} | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111EPH 1Gbe or Realtek RTL8111F | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - realtek wifi 8821 or 8822 - up to 1 ddr4 dimm slots - hp barrel external ac - |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G5, HP Elitedesk 806 G6, Prodesk 405 G6 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2x NVMe or 1x SATA + 1x NVMe, but not all three drives at the same time without serious modding of hd caddie || <!--Gfx-->Vega with DP1.4 port || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3205 codec}} || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - 3400GE Ryzen 5 PRO 3350GE (4c 8t), Ryzen 3 PRO 3200GE 3150GE (4c 4t), AMD Athlon Silver PRO 3125GE (2c 4t) on AMD PRO 565 |- | <!--Name-->HP t540 1ddr4 slot, t640 2 DDR4 SDRAM sodimm SO-DIMM 260-pin non-ECC max 32gb thin client USFF | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 NVM Express (NVMe) 2230 or 2280 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 VGA, DisplayPort | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->2 USB3 gen1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek Realtek RTL8111HSH or RTL8111E PH-CG | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit ryzen r1000 series Ryzen Embedded R1305G 1.5 GHz, R1505G dual (2c 4t) 2.0Ghz or R1606G ?.?Ghz (2c4t) - Realtek RTL8852AE wifi - 45W psu Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP t740 SFF Thin Client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 M.2, one is sata and other nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 DisplayPort or + optional pci-e 30W Radeon E9173 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E PH-CG 1Gbe | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - Ryzen Embedded V1756B 3.25Ghz quad - 90W 19.5V 4.62A psu Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - sodimm DDR4 max 64Gb - slightly noisy fan - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 805 G6 Mini 4750GE (8t 16t), Prodesk 405 G6 Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE (6c 12t) or Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE (4c 8t) on AMD PRO 565 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2.5in carrier and 2 slots m.2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 with DP1.4 and HDMI flex io2 output options | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC3205 codec | <!--USB-->4 usb a - gen 2 10gig and gen 1 5gig ports | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit AMD Ryzen 4000 SBC unlocked - 2 sodimm ddr4 slots - wifi6 - 90W ac - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Lenovo==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo Nettop IdeaCentre Q150 (40812HU) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio--> realtek codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->intel 10/100 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit D510 |- | <!--Name-->M625q Tiny (1L) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->M.2 Sata | <!--Gfx-->Stoney Radeon R2, R3 or R4 and later R5 with 2 dp ports | <!--Audio-->HD audio with ALC233-VB2-CG codec 0x10EC 0x0233 | <!--USB-->{{No|3 usb3.1 Gen 1 and 3 usb2}} | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 RTL8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit all dual cores - e2-9000e or a4-9120e later A9-9420e - heatsink covers 70% area covers wifi - 65w or 135w lenovo rectangle ac - 1 ddr4 2666MHz slot max 8gb - tpm 2.0 - |- | <!--Name-->M715q Gen 1 AMD A6 A8 A10-9700E 9770E (2c2t) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 | <!--Gfx-->R4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->M715q Gen 2 Ryzen 5 PRO 2400GE 4C 8T | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 11 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - f1 enter setup, esc device boot - fixed 1.8v ch341a needed to reflash 1.8v bios if no boot SOP8 DIP8 Winbond W25Q64, MXIC MX25U1635, MX25U6435 - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCenter M75n nano Ryzen3 3300U | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCentre M75q M75q-1 Tiny 1ltr TMM *AMD Ryzen 5 PRO Quad 3500 Pro 3400GE (4c 8t) 11a5 soe400 *AMD 3200GE (2c 4t) zen1+ 11a4 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|NVMe 2280 1Tb max - untested 2.5inch}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 11 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek ALC222-CG codec ALC3287 | <!--USB-->3 USB3 Gen 1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 65w 20v 3.25A to 135W rectangle psu - 2 sodimm ddr4 sodimm max 32GB locked 2666MHz - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCentre Ryzen 7 PRO Tiny 1ltr Gen 2 AMD 4000 series *AMD 4650GE (6c12t) 4750GE (8c16t) 4350G (4c8t) Zen2 - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|NVme}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit vendor locked - 20v psu - 2 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkcenter M75q-2 Gen2 refresh | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Radeon Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GigE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 5650GE (6c12t) 5750GE (8c16t) - vendor/PSB can lock your AMD CPU - f12 boot devices |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Thinkcentre M75q Tiny Gen5 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 780M dp1.4a or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 usb-c | <!--Ethernet-->1GBe port | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2024 Ryzen PRO 7 8700GE - 90W yellow rectangle connector psu - 2 DDR5 sodimm slots max 128Gb - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |} ====Misc==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Impart impact Media Group IQ Box mini Digital Signage with MB896 mini itx | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->GMA 915 gme | <!--Audio--> via audio | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - 1 ddr2 slot - pentium m 1.73GHz - |- | <!--Name-->[https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac_mini_cd_1.83-specs.html Apple A1176 Intel MacMini1,1] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|gpt/efi }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|gma950 2d and 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ICH7 [https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+question/186749 Sigmatel Stac 9221] [https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/msm/+/android-wear-5.1.1_r0.6/sound/pci/hda/patch_sigmatel.c codec][https://alsa-devel.alsa-project.narkive.com/Yt20W6cE/sigmatel-stac9221-mux-amp-out-0x02-microphone-not-working mic]}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit possible 1.83 GHz Intel “Core Duo” (T2400) - swap pci-e wifi for atheros 5k AR5007EG - maybe hack with a 2,1 firmware - max 4GB Ram ddr2 sodimms - external apple psu - dvd boot only with c key - |- | <!--Name-->[https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac-mini-core-2-duo-1.83-specs.html Apple A1176 Intel Mac Mini2,1] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|gpt/efi }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|gma950 2d and 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ICH7 Sigmatel Stac 9221 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 2.0/ Icaros | <!--Comments-->2007 64bit - swap pci-e wifi for atheros 5k AR5007EG - hacked with a 2,1 firmware and replaced the cpu for T7600 2.33 Ghz C2D and max 4GB Ram ddr2 sodimms - external apple psu - dvd boot only via c key |- | <!--Name-->Apple iMac 5,1 "Core 2 Duo" 1.83GHz 17" T5600 MA710LL || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 with 64Mb || <!--Audio-->HDAudio idt codec || <!--USB-->3 USB2 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 667MHz sodimm slots - 17.0" TFT widescreen 1440x900 - polycarbonate |- | <!--Name-->Apple iMac 6,1 "Core 2 Duo" 2.16 2.33 24" only T7400 T7600 aka MA456LL/A A1200 (EMC 2111) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia 7300GT with 128 MB of GDDR3 SDRAM PCI Express or GeForce 7600GT with 256Mb mini dvi, vga || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->3 USB2 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 667MHz sodimm slots - 24.0" TFT widescreen 1920 x 1200 - polycarbonate plastic case iMacs of this generation are the most difficult iMacs to service due to their front bezel design |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA2 | <!--IDE-->flash DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->S3 Inc ProSavage PM133 (rev 02) vga | <!--Audio-->VIA VT82C686 AC97 Audio | <!--USB-->USB | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8139 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - VIA Ezra 800MHz - 2 PC100 sodimm slots - riser board carries an ISA slot and a PCI slot - external 12V power supply.with 4 pins - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA5 Capio One | <!--IDE-->44pin Disk On Module DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->SiS550 vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with SiS7019 codec | <!--USB-->USB1.1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8139 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - internal power supply with mains lead has a "clover leaf" style - 2 144-pin PC100 or PC133 SODIMM might have 24MB of RAM soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA10 *E140 model BL-XX-XX (800MHz CPU) later *E100 model BK-XX-XX (1GHz CPU) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA VT8623 (Apollo CLE266) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with | <!--USB-->4 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102/VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 74) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2004/5 32bit - 12v 5.5mm/2.1mm - 2 184-pin DDR DIMM - |- | <!--Name-->VXL Itona thin client *TC3200, *TC3x41 (P3VB-VXL) TC3541 TC3641 TC3841, *TC3xx1 (6VLE-VXL0) TC3931, *TC43xx (Gigabyte C7V7VX) TC4321 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA vga | <!--Audio-->AC'97 Audio with VIA VT | <!--USB-->VIA USB | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8100B | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2005 2006 32bit VIA Samuel 2, VIA C3 Nehamiah CPU, 1 DIMM slot, internal psu, |- | <!--Name-->Neoware Capio C50, model CA15 Thin Clients] *Login Administrator Password Administrator *Login User Password User | <!--IDE-->1 flash Disk On Module | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA VT8623 (Apollo CLE266) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with via codec | <!--USB-->USB | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit VIA Eden (Samuel II core) CPU - 1 ddr sodimm slot max 512mb - slot - internal psu clover leaf - |- | <!--Name-->[http://etoy.spritesmind.net/neowareca21.html Neoware CA21 Thin Clients] Igel 3210 (and maybe the Clientron G270) *Login Administrator Password Administrator *Login User Password User | <!--IDE-->1 flash Disk On Module DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA CN700 vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with via codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit VIA C3 Nehemiah instead of Ezra-T - made 2 version of the CA 21, one with an Award bios and one with a Phoenix bios - 1 ddr2 sodimm slot max 1gb - VT6656 wireless - slot - internal psu iec - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA22 (e140), part number DD-L2-GE with BCOM WinNET P680 (V4) as the Igel 4210LX (Igel 5/4) | <!--IDE-->1 VIA VT82C586A/B VT82C686/A/B VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA CN700 P4M800 Pro CE VN800 Graphics [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 01) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with codec | <!--USB-->USB2 VIA VT8237R Plus | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102/VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - VIA Esther to later C7 1GHz - 1 ddr2 sodimm slots max 512mb - +12V DC/4.16A/50W 5.5mm/2.1mm coaxial - |- | <!--Name-->10Zig RBT402, Clientron U700, | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Partial|VESA dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|VIA }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 3a psu - Password Fireport |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Dell Optiplex FX170 D05U thin client, 10Zig 56xx range 5602, 5616v, 5617v, 5672v, Clientron U800, Devon IT TC5, | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{partial|GMA 950 dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 ddr2 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 3a psu - Password Fireport - ps2 keyboard socket - |- | <!--Name-->10Zig RBT-616V or Chip PC Technologies EX-PC (model number XPD4741) | <!--IDE-->{{unk|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 950}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit N270 on NM10 with ICH7 - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 4a psu - Password Fireport |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix GS-A21S-RH (rev. 1.0) SFF | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|X3100}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with ALC883-GR codec}} | <!--USB-->Intel USB | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566DC}} | <!--Test Distro-->ICAROS 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit Intel GME965 chipset with Intel ICH8M - 2 DDR2 Dimm slots - GA-6KIEH2-RH Rev.1.x mini ITX Case 213mm(D) x 64mm(W) x 234mm(H) - custom psu - |- | <!--Name-->VXL Itona MD+24 MD27 MD54 MD64 MD76 thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->VIA Chrome 9 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT | <!--USB-->VIA | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit VIA X2 U4200 - 12v-19v barrel psu - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Revo 100 RL100 AMD Athlon II X2 K325 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® ION™ 9300m || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC662 codec || <!--USB-->USB2 1 front 2 back || <!--Ethernet-->NVIDIA nForce 10/100/1000 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 64bit but no AVX - 4Gb DDR3 sodimm - 500 GB - 19v 3.42a 65W - dvd but later BD drive - |- | <!--Name-->Asrock ION 330 330Pro HT-BD, Foxconn NT-330i, Zotac ION F (IONITX mini itx), | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ION geforce 9400}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Nvidia }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit slow atom cpu - 2.5L 8" by 8" plastic case - 2 ddr2 sodimm max 4G - external 19v 65W 3.42A Plug 5.5mm X 2.5mm - little whiny fan - |- | <!--Name-->Zotac ZBOXHD-ND01 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION1 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->NVidia | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Zotac ZBOX HD-ID11 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111D | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 |- | <!--Name-->ZOTAC ZBOX Blu-ray 3D ID36 Plus | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->sata | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->2 USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->GbE | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle XS35GT || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION || <!--Audio-->HD audio IDT92HD81 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|JMC261}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - Atom™ D510 NM10 - DDR2 |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle XS35GT V2 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION2 || <!--Audio-->HD audio IDT92HD81 || <!--USB-->Intel || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|JMC251}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom™ D525 NM10 chipset - DDR3 |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION2 GT218 with vga and hdmi || <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - Atom™ D510 NM10 - DDR2 65 W AC, DC 19V~3.42A, 19.3L x 14.8w x 2.2H cm (1l), weight 530g, |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD2 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|nouveau ION2 GT218 with vga and hdmi 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|Intel USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom™ D525 NM10 chipset - DDR3 |- | <!--Name-->AOPEN Digital Engine DE67-HA(I) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| Vesa 2d for Intel HD}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio for ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel WG82579LM}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.jetwaycomputer.com/JBC600C99352W.html Jetway JBC600C99352W] | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->{{No|C-Media CM108AH}} | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111DL | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit D525 - DDR3 - 12v psu |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn nT-A3550 A3500 AMD A45 Chipset DDR3 Nettop Barebones - White | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 slot | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD6310 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 USB2 back and 2 USB3 front | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD Dual-core E350 1.6GHz CPU - 1 ddr3 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Asus EeeBox PC EB1021 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD6320M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE1 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit - AMD® Brazos E-350 SFF or E-450 with A50M - 2 ddr3l so-dimm - 40W ac - |- | <!--Name-->Xi3 Piston PC Athlon64 X2 3400e (X5A), AMD R-464L quad (X7A) Z3RO NUC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD mobility HD3650 to radeon HD 7660G | <!--Audio--> codec | <!--USB-->4 USB2 3 USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8161}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 - 2 sodimm 8GB max - 19v 3.3a round - Titan105 bios update - |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD3 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD6320M with vga and hdmi || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC662 codec || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE1 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD® Brazos E-450 with A45M - ddr3l so-dimm - 65W ac - Wireless is Realtek 8191SU WiFi (802.11n) or AzureWave (802.11bgn) - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Samsung Syncmaster Thin Client Display TC-W Series 24" LF24 TOWHBFM/EN TC220W LED LF22TOW HBDN/EN || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->8gb SSD || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| VESA mode only Radeon HD 6290}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB-->2 USB 2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 thin Client C-50 C50 AMD® 1000 MHz and no wireless |- | <!--Name-->Advantech TPC-2140 thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 atom-like G-T56E 1.65Ghz up to SSE3, BGA413 soldered - |- | <!--Name-->CompuLab FIT-PC3 fitPC3 USFF PC AMD G-T56N || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->RADEON HD 6320 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio ALC888 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64 bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 12v 3a - 2x sodimm DDR3 max 4GB - wifi rtl8188ce |- | <!--Name-->10Zig 6872 thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 atom-like G-T56N up to SSE3 BGA413 (FT1) soldered - DDR3l single channel - |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG Technology 9972 1.6 GHz Linux 1.47 kg Black RX-216GD thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 5E 3840 x 2160 @ 30Hz to 2560 x 1600 @ 60Hz 2 x Display Port | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 2 x USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD RX-216TD - 1 ddr3 sodimm - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 7800q thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 5E 3840 x 2160 @ 30Hz to 2560 x 1600 @ 60Hz 2 x Display Port | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 2 x USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD GX-424CC (Quad Core) 2.4GHz BGA769 (FT3b) - 1 ddr3 sodimm - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name--> *Itona VXL MZE12 AMD a4-5000 thin client *VXL Itona LQ27 LQ+27 LQ44 LQ+44 LQ49 LQ+49 LQ50 LQ+50 LQ64 LQ+64 thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Ati 8330 vga hdmi dp | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 usb2 2 usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit quad BGA769 (FT3) soldered - 2 stacked sodimm ddr3 middle of mobo - 2 m.2 sata slots - 1 sata short cable half size space - limited 1ltr 8in case no fan - 19v hp style psu connector - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5212 21.5" AIO Thin Client W11B | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Sata | <!--Gfx-->R3 out from DP or vga | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64bit slow atom like dual core AMD G-T48E 1.4 GHz - dell type round ac needed 90W 19.5V 4.62A - 21 inch 1080p screen - |- | <!--Name-->LG 24CK560N-3A 24' All-in-One Thin Client Monitor, 27CN650N-6N 27CN650W-AC 27', 34CN650W-AC 34', | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AMD Prairie Falcon GX-212JJ |- | <!--Name-->CompuLab fit-PC4 fitPC4 4x 2Ghz AMD || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64 - 2x DDR4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->IGEL Hedgehog M340C UD3 thin client *2016 V1.0 AMD GX-412HC 1.2GHz-1.6GHz Radeon R3E, normal bios DEL for Bios or F12 boot selector *2018 AMD GX-424CC 2.4GHz, Radeon R5E, UEFI hit DEL and choose boot or SCU icon | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->SATA half slim version '''limited space''' with msata 8+18pins slot on earlier 2016 models | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Radeon R3E later R5E sea islands vulkan 1.2 with dvi dp output}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec ?? (412) and Realtek ALC662-VD0-GR (424), both case speaker}} | <!--USB-->amd usb3 boot usb2 with bios "disable usb" entry | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111 (412) and (424)}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One x86 USB 1.5, 1.8 and 2.2 but ArosOne 64bit 1.2 boot loop in usb2 port | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 20cm/8" high case - 1 DDR3L sodimm slot max 8Gb 1600MHz - external '''12V 3A''' supply with 5.5mm/2.1mm coaxial - IDE like interface under base stand is for legacy addon ports RS232 parallel etc - capacitive touch power on - case opening 3 stages, remove stand and narrow black plastic strip from the back, top cover slides off to the back and lifts off - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 6148v 6048qv (6100 series) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{No| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AMD Ryzen V1202B |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 7111q | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit AMD Ryzen R2514 2.1 GHz - |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle DA320 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->R3 R5 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->dual realtek 1GbE 8111H | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Opinion-->2017 64bit AMD 2200G 2400G - Robust metal 1.3-liter case - A320 chipset DDR4 - 19V 6.32A DC PSU - |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H850C around december 2019 '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H860C - '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD3 M350C (UEFI issues) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ R R1505G Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H860C AMD Ryzen V1605B Thin Client - '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 AMD Ryzen™ Embedded V1605B 2 – 3.6 GHz (Quad-Core) - 12v 5A psu - up to 16GB RAM DDR4 - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix Barebone Mini PC BSRE-1605 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 M.2 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit AMD Ryzen V1605B - 2 DDR4 sodimm slots |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM Deskmini UM250 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit AMD Ryzen V1605B - |- | <!--Name-->T-Bao MN25 Mini PC 2500U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Unk|Intel NVMe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{No|VESA Radeon Vega 8}} | <!--Audio-->{{Unk| }} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek PCIe 1GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Atari VCS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit Ryzen Embedded R1606G - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum M200 Silver Athlon M300 3300U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum DeskMini UM300 3300U, UM350 DMAF5 3550H, UM370 and UM700 with 3750H | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->MinisForum X300 with AMD 3400G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER3 GTR4 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega 3 or 10 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RJ45 1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 3200u or 3750h |- | <!--Name-->AsRock DeskMini X300 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 Ryzen 7 Pro 4750G 5600G |- | <!--Name-->MinisForum Besstar Tech X400 with AMD 4650G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - MP1584 - kill NB679 NB679GD-Z=ALTM=AL** QFN-12 IC-REG-DL buck/linear synchronous chip IC with bad usb cables - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER4 GTR5 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->cant boot from installed SSDs unless its an M.2 | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->1 or 2 Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 4700U or 5900HX |- | <!--Name-->MSI PRO DP20Z 5M Mini PC - AMD Ryzen 5 5300G | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018-2021 R3 3200G Vega 8 - R5 3400G Vega 11 - Ryzen 5 5600G Vega 7 - Athlon 3000G |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM450 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - Ryzen 4500U - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix GB-BRR7-4800 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR7-4700 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR5-4500 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR3-4300 (rev. 1.0) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS PN50 mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 4700U | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|3.1 gen1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS PN51-S1 mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 5700U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega thru dp or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|3.1 gen1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 19v or 19.5v 90w psu round barrel - 32gb ddr4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum Bessstar Tech EliteMini B550 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 x 2.5in and 2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|4 usb3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 8125 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit AMD 4700G 5700G desktop cpu - 19v 120w round barrel - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock A300 and later X300 Mini itx with Desktop AM4 socket | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - choose your own AMD APU GE 35w based - DDR4 - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock 4x4 BOX-5800U Zen 3-based AMD Ryzen 7 5800U 15W - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 slot gen 3 and sata | <!--Gfx-->vega | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|1 GbE and 1 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - WiFi 6E - |- | <!--Name-->Topton S500+ Gaming Mini PC - Morefine S500+ 5900HX Mini PC - Minisforum UM590 Ryzen AMD Zen3 Ryzen 9 5900HX 7 5800H 45W - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme 1 sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 thru HDMI 2.0, DP 1.4, and USB type-C | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|1 realtek rtl 8111h and 1 8125 2.5GbE bg-cg}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 2 sodimm ddr4 3200MHz - |- | <!--Name-->Chuwi RzBox later Ubox | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 later to 660m vga, dp, hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb-c usb2}} | <!--Ethernet-->dual gigabit | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 2025 64bit amd 5800h 4800h 6600H - 90w psu - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC SER5, Trigkey AZW S5, Asus PN52, ZHI BEN MX-JB560, | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe3 M.2 2280 nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega 6 with 1 or 2 hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 5500U 5560u 5600U to PRO 5600H 5800H - 19v 3.42W 65W psu - |- | <!--Name-->NIPOGI Kamrui ACEMAGICIAN AM06PRO Dual LAN Mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 5800U, 5 5500U or 5600U/5625U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->M.2 and 2.5in sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega 7 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE ports | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - plastic build - 90w usb-c power - loud at 25W setting - |- | <!--Name-->Topton FU02 Fanless Mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 4700U 5600U 5800U 8 Core 16 Threads | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe and 2.5in sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->4 3.0 with 2 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->2 x 1G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64 - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - fanless with copper cube from cpu to metal sheet which gets warm |- | <!--Name-->Xuu XR1 Lite (5300u 4c 8t) PRO 5400U MAX 5600U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 NVMe 2242 slot | <!--Gfx-->Vega 6 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->2 3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64 quiet fan - very small case no expansions - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM UM690 Venus Series | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->pcie4 nvme 2280 and 1 sata3 2.5in | <!--Gfx-->680m RNDA2 12CU with 2 hdmi | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|1 USB4 and 2 USB3.2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|2.5G LAN}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 6900hx 8C16T - 2 ddr5 sodimmm - 19v ???W - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC GTR6 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe4 | <!--Gfx-->AMD 680M RDNA2 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->USB3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5GbE or intel i225}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit Ryzen 9 6900HX Zen3+ and a 2gb Radeon 680m 12CU ddr5 sodimm - 19v 120w psu - |- | <!--Name-->Asus PN53, Geekom AS 6, | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->pcie gen4 nvme and ata 2.5in | <!--Gfx-->680m RNDA2 12CU with 2 hdmi and 1 dp | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 usb-c, 2 USB2.1 and 3 USB3.2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|1G LAN}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 6900hx 8C 16T - 2 slots ddr5 sodimmm (64Gb max) - 19v 120W - 4 retained base screws beware ribbon cable - |- | <!--Name-->Micro Computer (HK) Tech Ltd MinisForum UM773 Lite later UM750L slim, GMKtec K2 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe PCIe4.0 | <!--Gfx-->RDNA | <!--Audio-->HD Audio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2023 2025 64bit - AMD Zen 3+ (8c 16t) Ryzen 7 7735HS, 7840HS and AMD Ryzen 9 7845HX AMD Ryzen™5 7545U (6c12t) - 19v up to 120w ac adapter - ddr5 sodimm 4800Mhz - |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.asrockind.com/en-gb/4x4 ASrock 4x4 SBC] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->sata or nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega or 680M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 or USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 1GbE or intel 2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC GTR7 SER7 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe4 nvme 2280 up to 2Tb | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M RDNA3 GPU output on hdmi and dp | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|1 or 2 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2023 64bit AMD Phoenix APUs Zen 4 CPU Ryzen 7 7840HS or 9 7940HS (8c 16t) - 19v 5.26A 120w psu - del dios setup f7 choose boot - 2 usb-c on back - up to 64gb via 2 ddr5 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM BD770i Ryzen 7 7745HX (8c16t) or BD795i SE 790i 9 7945HX (16c32t) or F1FXM_MB_V1.1 795M LGA1700 mATX | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 610m over usb-c, dp or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 with 2 rear USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 2.5G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 mini-ITX M/B is the first MoDT (Mobile on Desktop) with soldered AMD CPU - 2 dual PCIe4.0 M.2 slots - 2 ddr5 sodimm slots max 5200Mhz - 8pin cpu power - battery not easily replaceable underneath - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum ms-a1 MS-a2 * 5700G to 8700G apu * 9955HX | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 610M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->dual 2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2024 64bit - 19v ?A round barrel jack - 2 ddr5 so-dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->AOOSTAR GT68 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Nvme | <!--Gfx-->680m | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 2.5Gb | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 Ryzen7 Pro 6850H, |- | <!--Name-->NextSBC 7840HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M 12CU | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB4 and USB 3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 32Gb soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Firebat A6 R7 6800H | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 680M | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM760 7640HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 760 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 and 2.5Gb | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Peladn WO4 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 760 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit 7640HS - 19v 5.26A 120W - |- | <!--Name-->BossGame M4 Neo 7840HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM870 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M || <!--Audio-->HDaudio || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->GEEKOM A8 Max AI Mini PC AMD Ryzen™ 9 8945HS, Ryzen™ 7 8845HS or 8745HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe| USB4}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Dual 2.5 G Ethernet ports}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER 9 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVme | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 890M | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - Ryzen AI HX 370 strix point - |- | <!--Name-->GMKtec EVO-X2 mini pc | <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 8060S iGPU RDNA3.5 RADV GFX1151 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - amd ryzen AI Max+ 395 (16c32t) strix halo - |- | <!--Name-->BosGame M5 | <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 8060S iGPU RDNA3.5 RADV GFX1151 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - amd ryzen AI Max+ 395 (16c32t) - |- | <!--Name-->Steam Machine GabeCube | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->semi-custom 1080p amd 7600m like with 28cu 8gb ddr6 gddr 10GFlops | <!--Audio-->hdaudio with codec | <!--USB-->usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2026 64bit amd 1772 hawk point2 6c12t zen4 avx512 FP7 socket with FCH51 - 16gb ddr5 - |- | <!--Name-->AMD Ryzen AI Halo Developer Platform Workstation | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2026 64bit - amd ryzen AI Max+ 395 (16c32t) - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |} ===Server Systems=== [[#top|...to the top]] ====IBM==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="15%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->xSeries 206m | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI RN50b (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{n/a}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0 (UHCI/EHCI)}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2014-09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Motherboard=== [[#top|...to the top]] * Late 2002, USB2.0 added and slightly better AROS sound support (AC97) appeared * 2002-2005 and still, to a limited extent, ongoing [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague bad capacitors] * Late 2003, ATX PSUs moved from 5V to 12v rails (extra 4pin on motherboard for CPU) * Late 2005, PCI Express replaced AGP and HDAudio replaced AC97 * Late 2007, ATX PSUs added extra 12V PCI-E connectors and 4+4pin for CPUs * Late 2010, USB3.0 appears on motherboards or needing a PCI-E motherboard slot * Late 2014 Hardware USB2 removed from USB3 chipsets ====AMD Sockets==== [[#top|...to the top]] =====Socket 7 (1997/1999)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->1997 VT82C586B (QFP-208) is the first from VIA with DDMA |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2000 VT82C686 has close to excellent DDMA support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->SiS 5581/5582 SiS 5591/5595 SiS 530 /5595 SiS 600/5595 SiS 620/5595 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket A 462 (2001/4)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/motherboards/article.php/2217921/ABIT-NF7-S-nForce2-Motherboard-Review.htm Abit NF7-S] | <!--Chipset-->nForce 2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->SIL 3112A | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650 AC97 (Nvidia APU)}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8201LB | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Realtek RTL8801B |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7NF2 | <!--Chipset-->nforce2 ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|AGP 8x}} | <!--Audio-->CMedia CMI 9761A AC'97 | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8201 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7S8X | <!--Chipset-->SIS 746FX | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|AGP 8x}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC'97 cmedia}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB2.0 works but does not boot}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SiS900}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7S41GX | <!--Chipset-->SIS 741GX + DDR 333 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|onboard sis does not work with vga or vesa but AGP 8x works}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 SIS 7012}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB2.0 works but does not boot}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SiS 900}} | <!--Opinion-->works ok |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.asus.com ASUS A7N8X] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->Silicon Image Sil 3112A | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ac97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|ehci USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->first total support for AROS in 2004/5 - damocles and M Schulz |- | <!--Name-->Biostar M7NCD | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650 AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Chaintech 7NJS Ultra Zenith | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Promise PDC 20376 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|CMI8738}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->DFI Lanparty NF2 Ultra | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|via ac97 VT1616}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8139C | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ECS N2U400-A | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|Cmedia 9379A AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|VIA VT6103L}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA7N400L | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP 8x slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8100C | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.gigabyte.lv/products/page/mb/ga-8siml Gigabyte 8SIML] | <!--Chipset-->SIS 650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC'97}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|working}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek RTL8100L LAN}} | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Matsonic [http://www.elhvb.com/mobokive/archive/matsonic/manual/index.html Manuals] MS83708E | <!--Chipset-->SIS730 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|SiS 5513}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|sis 305 no support use VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|sis7018}} | <!--USB-->{{no|SiS 7001 USB 1.1 only}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SIS900}} | <!--Opinion-->little support |- | <!--Name-->[http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=bph07585&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&dest_page=softwareCategory&os=228&tool=softwareCategory&query=Pavilion%20742n&product=89232 MSI MS-6367 HP 722n 742n (Mambo) (2001/2)] | <!--Chipset-->Nvidia nforce 220D (2001/2) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->GeForce2 AGP works 2D nouveau only | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|AC97 ADI 1885 no volume control on Units 0-3}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB1.1 ports AMD based - front 2 ports iffy}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|nForce}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested 20th Aug 2012 NB |- | <!--Name-->MSI K7N2 [http://us.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=1&prod_no=546/ Delta ILSR] Delta-L | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 (2002/3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Primary & Secondary ports}} IDE Tertiary port (RAID) | <!--SATA-->2 ports (RAID) | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|when fitted with an agp video card}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ac97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->runs AROS well. Tested with Icaros 1.2.3 |- | <!--Name-->MSI K7N2 Delta2-LSR Platinum | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 (2002/3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Primary & Secondary ports}} IDE Tertiary port (RAID) | <!--SATA-->2 ports (RAID) | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|when fitted with an agp video card}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|ac97 ALC655}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->runs AROS well. Tested with Icaros 1.2.3 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/motherboards/article.php/2204281/Soltek-SL-75MRN-L-nForce2-Motherboard-Review.htm Soltek 75FRN-L] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|2 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion-->good support |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.3dvelocity.com/reviews/mach4nf2ultra/mach4.htm XFX Pine Mach4 nForce2 Ultra 400] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|3 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports VIA VT6240}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP 8x slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->ASUS A7V266 | <!--Chipset-->via KT266A + 8233 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{no|issues}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->AC97 with AD1980 codec | <!--USB-->via 8233 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6103 | <!--Opinion-->2002 issues with booting |- | <!--Name-->Asus A7V8X-X | <!--Chipset-->VIA KT400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|agp}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 with ADI AD1980 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|VIA 8235}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|Realtek 10/100}} | <!--Opinion-->2003 not booting for Socket A for AMD Barton/Thoroughbred/Athlon XP/Athlon/Duron 2.25+ GHz CPU - 3 x DDR DIMM Sockets Max. 3 GB - |- |} =====Socket 754 (2004/5)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit NF8-V2 | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250GB (2004/5) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|2 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot x8 | <!--Audio-->ALC658 ac97 | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201C}} | <!--Opinion-->a little support but no Firewire VIA VT6306 |- | <!--Name-->Biostar CK8 K8HNA Pro | <!--Chipset-->nforce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->VT6420 thru ide legacy only | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 ALC655}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8110S | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VT6307 no |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/motherboards/Chaintech_ZNF3-150_3.html Chaintech ZNF3-150 Zenith] | <!--Chipset-->nforce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|Sli3114 SATA via IDE emul}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{no|VIA Envy24PT (VT1720) + VT1616}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom GbE 5788}} | <!--Opinion-->very little support needs PCI cards but no Firewire VIA VT6306 |- | <!--Name-->DFI Lanparty UT nF3 250GB | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250gb | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports nForce3 and 2 Marvell SATA PHY}} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ALC850}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->CK8S - Winfast NF3 250K8AA works and Marvell 88E1111 does not work | <!--Opinion-->2005 some support but no Firewire VIA VT6307 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-K8N | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA nForce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8100C | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI43AB23 no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte K8NNXP | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sata sil3512 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTl8110S | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI STB82AA2 no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-K8NSNXP | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250GB | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->SiI 3512 CT128 Sata Sil3515 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC850 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvel 88E8001}} | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI K8N Neo-FIS2R | <!--Chipset-->nVIDIA NF3-250Gb | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek 7.1 AC'97 ALC850 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E1111}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://techreport.com/articles.x/5748/1 Shuttle AN50R] | <!--Chipset-->nF3-150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sil 3112 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC650 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia nF3 (10/100) Intel 82540EM Gigabit | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VT6307 no |- | <!--Name--> Foxconn WinFast K8S755A | <!--Chipset-->SiS755 + SiS964 (DDR333) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> {{yes|AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket 939 (2005)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8N-LA GeForce 6150 LE | <!--Chipset-->Geforce 6150 (MCP51) + nForce 430 (PC-3200) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|two ATA 133}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|four 3.0GB/s SATAII ports}} | <!--Gfx-->built in or PCI-E x16 | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC883 HD Audio | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8201CL | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8N-SLI Premium | <!--Chipset-->NVidia | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|PCIe slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|nForce LAN but not Marvell}} | <!--Opinion-->Works well |- | <!--Name-->DFI nF4 Ultra-D LanParty - Diamond Flower International sold to BenQ group 2010 | <!--Chipset-->nF4 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA 2 | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 slots | <!--Audio-->AC97 with ALC850 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Dual Gigabit Ethernet, PCIe by Vitesse VSC8201 PHY nee Cicada 8201, PCI by Marvel 88E8001 | <!--Opinion-->2006 64bit - Four 184-pin DDR Dual-Channel Slots - 1 pci on Ultra, 2 pci on sli, |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8V E SE | <!--Chipset-->VIA K8T890 +VT8237R CHIPSET ATX AMD Motherboard with Athlon 64 X2 / Athlon 64 FX / Athlon 64 | <!--ACPI-->{{N/A}} | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe}} AC97 driver using Realtek ALC850 codec | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} USB 2.0 only | <!--Ethernet-->{{No}} Marvell 88E8053 | <!--Opinion-->Good base but needs additional PCI cards added for better support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS A8V Deluxe (2004) | <!--Chipset-->VIA K8T800 Pro (DDR400) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->Promise 20378 2 ports | <!--SATA-->2 SATA2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|VIA VT8233A 8235 8237 AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8001 Gigabit}} | <!--Opinion-->needs extra PCI cards |- |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AsRock 939Dual-SATA2 | <!--Chipset-->Ali Uli M1695 PCIe with M1567 AGP | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->1 Sata with JMicron JMB360 chip | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e and 1 agp | <!--Audio-->AC97 with ALC850 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8201CL PHY ULi 10/100 | <!--Opinion-->64bit pci-e and agp combo on board - 4 ddr slots - |} =====Socket AM2 (2006/8) and AM2+ (2007-2010) ===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M61PME-S2 (rev. 2.x) | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® GeForce 6100 / nForce 430 chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for vga}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio Realtek ALC662 Audio Codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M2N61-AR mini itx | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA nForce 430 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 | <!--SATA-->2 | <!--Gfx-->GeForce 6150SE via vga or 1 pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->Nvidia | <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia | <!--Opinion-->2006 32bit - 1 pci - 2 ddr2 dimm slots non-eec - |- | <!--Name-->asus m2n68-am se2 | <!--Chipset-->nvidia 630a 630/a MCP68SE | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 ports | <!--SATA-->2 ports MCP61 chipset is SATA over IDE, not SATA over AHCI and reports subsystem as 0x1 IDE, not 0x6 SATA | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|nvidia 7025 2d and 3d thru vga}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|hd audio with realtek alc662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|nForce chipset RTL 8201CP}} | <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit Phenom IIX2, Athlon 64 LE X2, Sempron, and Phenom FX processors - ddr2 667Mhz ram max 4Gb - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 (rev. 1.0) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 770 with SB700 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111C later 8111D}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support for AM2+ / AM2 with 4 ddr2 ram - 4 x PCI Express x1, 2 x PCI slots - firewire T.I. TSB43AB23 chip no support - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M3A32-MVP Deluxe | <!--Chipset-->AMD 790FX RD790 + SB600 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{No|Marvell 88SE6121 SATA II}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 1.1 support | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio ADI® AD1988}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8056}} | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASROCK N68-S N68C-S | <!--Chipset-->AMD based nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|slimline DVD drive works}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GF 7025 use vesa}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio for VIA 1708S VT1705}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|echi usb 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201EL / 8201CL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->2008 unbuffered 1066Mhz ddr2 ram - N68C-S may need noacpi added to grub boot line to disable pci temporarily to run as it cannot get to [PCI] Everything OK - |- | <!--Name-->Asus M2N68-AM Plus | <!--Chipset-->Athlon 64, Sempron, Athlon 64 X2, Athlon 64 FX with nvidia 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->no vga, pci-e slot only | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8211CL Gigabit LAN}} | <!--Opinion-->adding "noacpi noapic noioapic" to the GRUB options - Dual channel DDR2 1066, 800, 667 MHz - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68M-S2 (1.0) S2P (2.3) S2L GA-M68SM-S2 (1.x) | <!--Chipset-->nForce 630a chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025, vga (s2 and s2p), dvi (s2l) | <!--Audio-->ALC883 (S2), ALC888B (S2P), ALC662 (S2L), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8201CL (S2), 8211CL (S2P), 8211BL (S2L), | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit possible with AMD AM2+ CPU on AM2 motherboard, the system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0(5200MHz) to HT1.0(2000 MT/s) spec |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M2N68-VM | <!--Chipset-->nForce 630a (MCP68PVNT) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Nvidia GeForce ® 7050PV hdmi, dvi and vga | <!--Audio-->HD audio VIA 1708B codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8211C | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit - ddr2 800Mhz |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM3 White socket (2010/11)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA74GM-S2 GA-MA74GM-S2H | <!--Chipset-->740g with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|bios IDE}} | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 2100 and pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->ALC888 (r1.x),ALC888b (r2.0), ALC888B (rev4.x) | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111C later 8111D | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - 2 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets max 8 GB - Micro ATX Form Factor 24.4cm x 23.4cm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.vesalia.de/e_aresone2011.htm Aresone 2011] | <!--Chipset-->760g | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|no Radeon HD3000 driver yet<br>vesa driver works<br>and add PCIe card}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support - 4 DDR3 memory sockets - |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn A76ML-K 3.0 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760g rev3.0 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1 }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|4 in IDE mode }} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 with pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC662-GR codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - 2 pci slots - |- | <!--Name-->GA-MA770T-UD3P (rev. 1.0 to 1.4) | <!--Chipset-->amd 770 with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|4 sata}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with Realtek ALC888 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8168 rtl8111c/d}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64 - 4 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 (rev. 2.0 2.1) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 770 with SB700 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111C later 8111D}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support for AM3 with 4 ddr2 ram - 4 x PCI Express x1, 2 x PCI slots - firewire T.I. TSB43AB23 chip no support - |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4A785TD-M PRO | <!--Chipset-->785G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI Radeon HD 4200 - use vesa}} or pci-e 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Opinion-->Good support with 1366 ddr3 ram - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M4A88T-I Deluxe ITX | <!--Chipset-->AMD 880G with AMD SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Three SATA 3Gbps | <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 4350 GPU with HDMI and DVI or One 16x PCI-Express 2.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC889 | <!--USB-->6 x USB 2, 2 x USB 3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek RTL8112L}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 2 SODIMM DDR3 slots max 8GB |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4A88T-M Version E5907 E5826 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 880G SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 4250 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT 1708S codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek rtl8169 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->GigaByte 890GPA-UD3H | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890GX together with SB850 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Yes | <!--Gfx-->use pci-e nvidia | <!--Audio-->Maybe - ALC892 rev. 1.0, ALC892 rev 2.1, ALC889 rev. 3.1 | <!--USB-->Yes | <!--Ethernet-->Yes | <!--Opinion-->works well overall |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-890FXA-UD7 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890FX with SB850 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 (rev 2.x) | <!--USB-->{{Yes|AMD USB2 but limited with NEC D720200F1 USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->2 x Realtek 8111D | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - XL-ATX Form Factor 32.5cm x 24.4cm - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 890GXM-G65 | <!--Chipset-->890GX + SB750 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI 4290 built-in (vesa)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC889 DD GR}} HD Audio crackles | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock N68-VS3 FX | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 Sata2 | <!--Gfx-->Integrated NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA® VT1705 Codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek PHY RTL8201EL | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - 2 x DDR3 DIMM slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI GF615M-P35 MS-7597 | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® nForce 430 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GeForce 6150SE | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC888S}} | <!--USB-->{{No|freezes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 8211CL}} | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68MT-S2 | <!--Chipset--> nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 vga | <!--Audio-->ALC888B (1.3), ACL887 (3.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8211CL (all) | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit possible, AMD AM3 CPU on this motherboard, the system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0 (5200MT/s) to HT1.0 (2000 MT/s) spec |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68MT-S2P | <!--Chipset--> nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 vga | <!--Audio-->ALC888B (1.x 2.x), ALC889 (3.0), ALC888B/889 (3.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8211CL (all) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4N78 PRO | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA GeForce 8300 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 xUltraDMA 133/100 | <!--SATA-->6 xSATA 3 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->Integrated NVIDIA® GeForce® 8 series GPU with 1 PCIe 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA1708S 8 -Channel codec | <!--USB-->12 USB 2.0 ports (8 ports at mid-board, 4 ports at back panel) | <!--Ethernet-->NVIDIA Gigabit | <!--Opinion-->4 x DIMM, Max. 16 GB, DDR2 1200(O.C.)/1066*/800/667 ECC,Non-ECC,Un-buffered Memory - ATX Form Factor 12 inch x 9.6 inch ( 30.5 cm x 24.4 cm ) - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket AM3+ Black socket (2012/15)===== *095W FX-6300 FD6300WMHKBOX (bulldozer SSE4.1 AVX) 970 mobos with FX-8320E 8core Black Editions FD832EWMHKBOX FX-8370E (Vishera/Piledriver) *125W FX-6310 (bulldozer) 970 mobos with FX-8320 FX-8350 FX-8370 (Vishera/Piledriver) *220W 990FX mobos with FX-9000 FX-9370 FX-9590 {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M5A78L-M LX3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G with SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|bios IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 with pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC887, V? ALC892 codecs | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros 8161/8171 add realtek 8111? pci-e card}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - uATX Form Factor 9.6 inch x 7.4 inch ( 24.4 cm x 18.8 cm ) - 2 x DIMM, Max. 16GB, DDR3 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|6 SATA2 ports}} | <!--Gfx-->GT240 and a nv7900gs, both pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC889 (r3.1), ALC??? (rev. 4.0), ALC887 (r5.x)}} | <!--USB-->4 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 8111E (r3.1), Atheros (rev4.0), Atheros (r5.x) }} | <!--Opinion-->2012 offers very poor control over its EFI vs. BIOS booting partition features |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 (r3.0), (r4.1 Blue board), (r5.0 dark board), (rev6 dark mobo) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|Bios IDE mode for SATA2 on early ones}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD HD3000, pci-e GT240 and a nv7900gs | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC??? (r3.0), ALC887 (r4.1), VIA VT2021 (r5.0), Realtek® ALC892 codec (rev6) }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 but not VIA® VL805 USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - Micro ATX Form Factor 24.4cm x 24.4cm - 4 x DDR3 DIMM sockets - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 760GM | <!--Chipset-->ATI 760G plus SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 Use Vesa | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|P33 VT1705; P34, P21 and P23 (FX) MS7641 v3.0 ALC887, E51 ALC892}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Opinion-->P23 issues with audio ALC887 crackles thru earphones - |- | <!--Name-->Gigayte GA-MA770T-UD3P (rev. 3.1) | <!--Chipset-->amd 770 with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with Realtek ALC888/892 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111d/e | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASRock 890FX Deluxe5 Extreme3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890FX + AMD SB850 or SB950 (Extreme3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC892}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8111E rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M5A97 R2.0 EVO | <!--Chipset-->AMD 970 and SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Asmedia SATA Controller | <!--Gfx-->n/a | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC887 (LE), ALC887 (Regular), ALC892 (EVO) codec | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 and 2 Asmedia USB3.0 Controller | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111F | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 970 with SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio--> ALC??? (rev. 1.0/1.1), ALC887 (rev1.2), VIA VT2021 codec (rev 1.3 1.4 and rev3.0) | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 but not Etron EJ168 chip (USB3)}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE 8111E (all revisions), | <!--Opinion-->2015 64bit - ATX Form Factor 30.5cm x 22.4cm - 4 x 1.5V DDR3 DIMM sockets - |- | <!--Name-->MSI 970 Gaming | <!--Chipset-->970FX SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC1150 Codec | <!--USB-->6 usb2 with 2 USB3 VIA VL806 Chipset | <!--Ethernet-->Killer E2205 Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M5A99X EVO | <!--Chipset-->990X - RD980 with SB920 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->2 pci-e gen ? | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC892 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek 8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-990XA-UD3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 990 with SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 (rev 1.x, 3.0, 3.1), | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 not 2 x Etron EJ168 chips for USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->realtek rtl8169 8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - ATX Form Factor; 30.5cm x 24.4cm - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====AMD Fusion (2011/14)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | 1.2GHz single Bobcat Fusion C30 + Hudson M1 | ACPI | IDE | SATA | AMD 6250 | Audio | USB | Ethernet | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | Asus E35M1-M PRO uATX | 1.6GHz 18W AMD Fusion E-350 dual core + Hudson M1 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA | AMD 6310 - no HD driver yet | ALC887 VD2 | USB | RTL8111E | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - EFI bios - pci slot - |- | Asus E35M1-I Deluxe miniITX | 1.6GHz dual AMD Fusion E350 + Hudson M1 + DDR3 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA | AMD 6310 - no HD driver yet | ALC892 | USB | Realtek 8111E | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - no support for Atheros AR5008 on a Mini PCI-E - 1 pci slot - |- | ASRock E350M1 / USB3 (also version with USB3.0 added) | 1.6GHz dual AMD Fusion E350 + Hudson M1 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA - 4 SATA3 | {{Maybe|AMD 6310 - use vesa with hdmi and dvi}} | {{Yes|Audio ALC892 playback but no HDMI output}} | USB - 4 USB2.0 and 2 USB3.0 | {{Yes|rtl8169 for Realtek rtl8111E}} | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 1 pci-e 2.0 x4 slot - f2 or del bios, f11 boot select - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-E350N-USB3 mini-ITX | <!--Chipset--> Hudson M1 FCH | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 SATA3 | <!--Gfx--> plus HDMI, DVI | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB-->2 NEC USB3.0 with 4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 for Realtek rtl8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 1 pci slot - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-E350N Win8 V1.0 | <!--Chipset-->Hudson M1 FCH A45 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 SATA3 | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Use VESA - AMD 6310 plus HDMI, DVI}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC887 playback through headphones but not thru hdmi}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|4 USB2.0 needs more testing}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 for Realtek 8111e}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - works well but need to test with sata hard disk |- | <!--Name-->MSI E350IA-E45 | <!--Chipset-->e-350 + Hudson M1 + DDR3 | <!--ACPI-->no support | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 Sata3 ports | <!--Gfx-->AMD 6310 gpu | <!--Audio-->ALC HDA | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 and 2 USB3.0 through NEC 720200 chipset | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS E45M1-M PRO | <!--Chipset-->E450 APU with Hudson M1 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS E45M1-I Deluxe | <!--Chipset-->E-450 together | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM1 (2011/13)===== On board Graphic on CPU - HD6410D, HD6530D, HD6550D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS F1A55-M LE | <!--Chipset--> with AMD A55 FCH (Hudson D2) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s port(s), blue Support Raid 0, 1, 10, JBOD | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 2.0 slot or Integrated AMD Radeon™ HD 6000 in Llano APU | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 Audio CODEC | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E rtl8169 | <!--Opinion-->2012 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - A-Series/E2- Series APUs up to 4 cores - 2 x DIMM, Max. 32GB, DDR3 2250(O.C.)/1866/1600/1333/1066 MHz Non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory Dual Channel Memory Architecture - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM2 White Socket (2012/13)===== Onboard Gfx on CPU - HD6570, HD7480D, HD7540D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A75 A85X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM2 Plus Black socket (2013/15)===== Onboard Gfx on CPU - HD6570, HD7480D, HD7540D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A88X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM1 FS1b socket (2014/1x)===== 5350 4 core Jaguar cores 2GHz with Integrated AMD Radeon R Series Graphics in the APU Kabini [Radeon HD 8400] Later Beema APU with 2/4 core Puma (slightly updated Jaguar) cores, GCN graphics and a compute capable Radeon core, along with a brand new AMD security processor and FT3 BGA packaging (probably best avoided for long term survival). {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS AM1I-A | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek® ALC887-VD | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111GR 8168 | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit may support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->MSI AM1I | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI AM1M | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->BGA FT3 AM1x |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM4 FM3 Summit Ridge Zen Zen+ (2016/22)===== Jim Keller’s group designed x86 Zen CPU - new and covering the same AM4 platform/socket for desktop Zen will also shift from Bulldozer’s Clustered Multithreading (CMT) to Simultaneous Multithreading (SMT, aka Intel’s Hyperthreading). CMT is the basis for Bulldozer’s unusual combination of multiple integer cores sharing a single FPU within a module, so the move to SMT is a more “traditional” design for improving resource usage Trusted Platform Module, or fTPM, that Windows 11 requires. Ryzen processors using a firmware TPM are causing stutters, even when doing mundane tasks. To enable TPM 2.0 on your AMD system please follow the steps below. <pre> Power on system and press DEL or F2 to get into the BIOS. Navigate to Advanced\CPU Configuration. Enable AMD fTPM switch. Press F10 to save changes. </pre> {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair VI Hero | <!--Chipset-->X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 (1x16 or 2x8) | <!--Audio-->SupremeFX audio features an S1220 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel I211 | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 7 1800X 1700X |- | <!--Name-->Biostar X370gtn Itx Am4 | <!--Chipset-->AMD X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek Dragon LAN RTL8118AS | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-AX370 K7 | <!--Chipset--> X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with 2 x Realtek® ALC1220 codec 0x10EC, 0x0295 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1 intel and 1 E2500 | <!--Opinion--> 4 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->MSI Xpower Gaming Titanium | <!--Chipset--> X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->8-channel Realtek 1220 Codec 0x10EC, 0x0295 | <!--USB-->ASMedia® ASM2142 and amd cpu | <!--Ethernet-->1 x Intel® I211AT Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Prime B350 Plus ATX | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x16 mode) | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 8-Channel | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 5 1600x 1600 1500X 1400 - 4 x DIMM Max 64GB, DDR4 up to 2666MHz ECC and non-ECC Memory - ATX 12 inch x 9.35 inch ( 30.5 cm x 23.7 cm ) - 2 pci |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME B350M-A/CSM Micro ATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek LAN | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 3 1300x 1200 1100 |- | <!--Name-->AsRock Pro4 AB350 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe 3.0 x16, 4 PCIe 2.0 x1 | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2017 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock AB350 Gaming-ITX/ac | <!--Chipset--> B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B350 Tomahawk Arctic Mortar | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 x PCIe 3.0 x16 (x16 mode) | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->white and grey colours - 2 pci-e and 2 pci slots - m.2 in middle - atx 12 in by 9.6 in and matx versions - |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue M-ATX B350M-TI | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue B350I-Plus ITX | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock A320M-ITX MINI ITX Rev1.0 Rev2 Rev2.1 | <!--Chipset-->A320 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2018 |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME A320M-C R2.0 rev1.1 A320M-K | <!--Chipset-->A320 A/B300 SFF | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HD audio with Realtek ALC887 alc897 CODEC | <!--USB-->2 usb 3.1 gen 1 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2019 64bit - 3rd/2nd/1st Gen AMD Ryzen™ / 2nd and 1st Gen AMD Ryzen™ with Radeon™ Vega |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI A320M-A PRO MicroATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD A320 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio Realtek® ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111H | <!--Opinion-->2019 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG X399 Zenith Extreme | <!--Chipset-->AMD X399 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> supremefx s1220 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion-->Threadripper 1950X 1920X 1900X TR4 skt |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->AsRock Fatality X470 Gaming K4 mATX | <!--Chipset-->X470 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->pci-e rebar possible | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asrock Fatal1ty X470 Gaming-ITXac AMD AM4 | <!--Chipset-->AMD X470 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS ROG STRIX X470-I GAMING AM4 ITX Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus B450-I Gaming | <!--Chipset-->AMD B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->high VRM temps - raven ridge 14nm+ like 2200G 2400G |- | <!--Name-->AsRock B450 Gaming K4 | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> 4 ddr4 slots - low VRM thermals 3900x 3950x |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B450 I Aorus Pro Wifi | <!--Chipset-->AMD B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 nvme pcie3 with 4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pcie | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek® ALC1220-VB codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion-->very high vrm temps |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue B450i Gaming ITX | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata3 - none nvme | <!--Gfx-->pcie3 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Opinion-->2021 64 2nd 3rd AMD - 2 ddr4 dimm slots |- | <!--Name-->MSI b450 tomahawk max | <!--Chipset--> b450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{n/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HD audio with Realtek® ALC892 Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111H | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450 Pro Carbon | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> ALC codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450-A PRO | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111h | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450I GAMING Plus AC ITX | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2019 - 2nd and 3rd gen AMD - 2 ddr4 slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450 GAMING PLUS MAX | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek® ALC892/ALC897 Codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111H | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MAXSUN AMD Challenger B450M M-ATX (aka Soyo) | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASRock X570 PHANTOM GAMING-ITX/TB3 Mini ITX AM4 | <!--Chipset-->X570 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 4.0 | <!--Audio--> ALC1200 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero | <!--Chipset-->AMD X570 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> SupremeFX7.1 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel® I211-AT and Realtek® RTL8125-CG 2.5G LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Strix X570-I Gaming Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI MPG X570 Gaming Plus | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc1220 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Strix B550-i AM4 ITX Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 - |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue Jingyue B550i Gaming itx | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->3 with 1 nvme | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e 4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio alc | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit max of Ryzen 5500 (c t), 5600, 5600g (6c12t) - 2 ddr4 |- | <!--Name-->Asrock B550 PHANTOM GAMING ITX/AX | <!--Chipset-->AMD B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with alc1220 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|intel 2.5G}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AsRock B550M-ITX/ac | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC887 ALC897 Audio Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion-->2022 - 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->AsRock ASRock B550M-HDV | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme and sata3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC887 or ALC897 Audio Codec unknown | <!--USB-->usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek rtl8111h Gigabit LAN}} | <!--Opinion-->2022 - 2 ddr4 slots - 1 pcie x1 slot - |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG STRIX B550-A GAMING | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->PCIe Gen4 x4 & SATA3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio--> supremefx S1220A | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel® I225-V 2.5Gb}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte AMD B550I AORUS PRO AX Mini-ITX rev 1.0 | <!--Chipset-->AMD B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme pci-e3 with 4 sata3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC1220-VB codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek® 2.5GbE LAN}} | <!--Opinion-->2021 2 x DDR4 DIMM sockets 1Rx8/2Rx8/1Rx16 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE AX V2 ATX | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 DP and hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC1200 | <!--USB-->USB3 USB 3.2 Gen1 Type-C | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|2.5GbE LAN}} | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit- finer tuning than A520's - AMD Ryzen 5000 Series/ 3rd Gen Ryzen and 3rd Gen Ryzen with Radeon Graphics CPU - Dual Channel ECC/ Non-ECC Unbuffered DDR4, 4 DIMMs - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B550M DS3H mATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC887 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->realtek rtl8118 | <!--Opinion-->2021 64bit - 4 ddr4 dimms - |- | <!--Name-->MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS ATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB 3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen Processors - 4 dimm ddr4 - |- | <!--Name-->MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (up to Type 22110) and 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (Type 2242/2260/2280) | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 with dp and hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC1200 | <!--USB-->USB3 1 x USB 3.1 Type-C and 1 x USB 3.1 Type-A | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8125B and Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 4 Dimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue A520M-H mATX | <!--Chipset-->A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> old bios with random issues with APU ryzens - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte A520M S2H mATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 1GbE | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit Zen3 65W and up - 2 ddr4 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte A520I AC mITX mini-itx | <!--Chipset-->AMD A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit Zen3 65W and up 5600G (6c12t) or 5700G (8c16t) - 2 ddr4 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI A520M-A PRO mATX | <!--Chipset-->A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (Type 2242/2260/2280) | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 2 ddr4 dimm slots - 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen Desktop and AMD Ryzen 4000 G-Series CPU |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} ===== (Socket AM5 LGA1718 Zen4 Zen5 Zen6 2022/27)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asrock Steel Legend | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e rnda2 | <!--Audio-->HD audio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - ddr5 ecc (10 chip) and non-ecc (8 chips) 64Gb @ 6000Mhz or 128GB @ 4800Mhz - |- | <!--Name-->Asrock TaiChi | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e rnda2 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio | <!--USB-->USB4 with Thunderbolt 4 equivalent | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek killer E3000 2.5GbE}} | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - ddr5 ecc (10 chip) and non-ecc (8 chips) |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair Hero | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe rnda2 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->rnda3 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit 7950x3d 120W, 7900 7800 7600 90W |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->rnda3 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus B650E-I | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 5 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 - better sound with an actual AMP, PCIe 5, USB-C display outs - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MAXSUN AMD Challenger B650M WIFI M-ATX (aka Soyo) | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI b650i mini itx | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2023 - front panel connectors at the back of the board - dead rear nvme slot and a drained CMOS battery as the CMOS button being pressed during shipping - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M Zen4 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Zen5 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Zen6 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--ACPI--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Opinion-->2026 FP8 Zen 6 Medusa Point 4bigC, 4 econC, 2lpC, 8coreGPU - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--ACPI--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Opinion-->2026 FP10 Zen 6 Medusa Point 4bigC, 4 econC, 2lpC, 8coreGPU - |- |} ===== (Zen7 AM6 2027/3x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} ===== (Zen AM 203x/3x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} ====Intel Sockets==== [[#top|...to the top]] =====Socket 370 (2000/2)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Intel D815EEA | <!--Chipset-->866Mhz P3 and i815 chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia AGPx8 6200LE added}} | <!--Audio-->{{N/A}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|2 USB1.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested AspireOS 1.7, simple basic board with useful 5 PCI slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket 478 (2002/4)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://detail.zol.com.cn/motherboard/index46381.shtml&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dc.865pe.l%2Bmotherboard%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DsZB%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official Colorful Technology C.865PE-L Silver Fighter Warrior V2.3] | <!--Chipset-->865PE | <!--ACPI-->{{dunno| }} | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|tested with CDROM}} | <!--SATA-->{{dunno| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|AGP slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|ALC650 AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 1.1 and 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8100 8139}} | <!--Opinion-->Still testing with NB (Nightly Build) May 2013 |- | <!--Name-->Intel 845 | <!--Chipset-->865P | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{No|intel 800}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 AD1985}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|e1000}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested ICAROS 1.3 |- | <!--Name-->Intel 845 | <!--Chipset-->865GC | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{No|intel 865 Extreme Graphics 2}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 AD1985}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|e1000}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested ICAROS 1.3 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA775 s775 (2005/8)===== an industry standard DDR2 module could in theory contain fallback JEDEC, intel XMP and AMD EPP configuration data Intel PC CL5 ram modules but an "AMD" CL5 ram module the BIOS cannot read the AMD EPP info on the SPD (Serial Presence Detect) but can recognize the CL5 timing info in the JEDEC data table. PC BIOS auto configures for the AMD ram module and boots normally. an AMD PC CL6 ram modules but an "INTEL" CL6 ram module the BIOS cannot read the INTEL XMP info on the SPD but can recognize the CL6 timing info in JEDEC data table. PC BIOS auto configures for the AMD ram module and boots normally. an INTEL PC needs CL6 ram modules but have an "AMD" CL4 ram module. INTEL BIOS cannot read the AMD EPP info on the SPD but can recognize the CL4 timing info in JEDEC data table. PC BIOS recognizes module timings as incompatible an refuses to boot. entirely separate issue if the RAM module timing specs are incompatible.(i.e. CL4 RAM in a "CL6 only" PC) {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit AG8 | <!--Chipset-->P915 + ICH6R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA1 | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe x16 Slot | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8110S-32 | <!--Opinion-->2004 32bit - Firewire TI 4200R7T no |- | <!--Name-->MSI 915 Neo2 | <!--Chipset-->P915 + ICH6R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA1 | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe x16 Slot | <!--Audio-->CMI 9880L HD Audio | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcomm BCM5751 PCIe}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VIA VT6306 no |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5GC P5GC-MX | <!--Chipset-->P945GC Lakeport-GC + ICH7R northbridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 3.0 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe 1.1 slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|atheros L2}} | <!--Opinion-->2005 32bit - 3 pci slots - 4 x 240-pin DIMM Sockets max. 4GB DDR2 667/533 non-ECC - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn PC45CM-SA 45CM-S | <!--Chipset-->945GC with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 sata2 ports | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|pcie 1.0 slot with gma950 integrated}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with aLC883 codec playback}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|realtek 8139 8100sc}} | <!--Opinion-->2 dimm slots 667mhz max 4gb - can be found in Advent desktops - 2 pci-e and 2 pci - core 2 duo only e6xxx - Micro ATX (9.6” x 8.8”) - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-81945GM MFY-RH | <!--Chipset-->Intel® 945GM Express with ICH7M-DH | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA950 VGA15 and PCI-e 1.0 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC880 codec playback only rear port}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 usb 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO1000PL 82573L Gigabit Ethernet}} | <!--Opinion-->2006 MoDT term “Mobile on DeskTop.”, low TDP CPUs to work on desktop form-factor motherboards. mATX Micro ATX 24.4cm x 24.4cm - 2 DDR2 dimm 1.8v slots with 4Gb max - will not boot if PCI2 slot occupied - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-945 GCM S2C | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662 (1.x)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|8101E Rtl 8169 (1.x)}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA945-GCM S2L | <!--Chipset-->945GC with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCi-E slot | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with ALC662 codec 2/4/5.1-channel (1.x)}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111c 8169 (1.x)}} | <!--Opinion-->2 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM 4GB DDR2 memory max - 2 PCI-e and 2 PCI - Micro ATX form factor; 24.4cm x 19.3cm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 945P Neo-F rev 1.0 | <!--Chipset-->P945 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCie 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC662 HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->8110SC (rtl8169) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 945P Neo2-F rev 1.2 | <!--Chipset-->P945 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCie 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC850 AC97 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->8110SC (rtl8169) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-P31-DS3L | <!--Chipset-->P31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCI Express x16 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111B | <!--Opinion-->DDR2 800Mhz up to 4Gb 4 x 240 pin - 3 PCI - ATX 12.0" x 8.3" - |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5KPL-AM /PS | <!--Chipset-->G31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->4 xSATA 3 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 1.1 with integrated Intel® GMA 3100 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT1708B with ALC662 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8102EL 100/10 LAN with Realtek RTL8111C Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion-->2 x 2 GB DDR2 Non-ECC,Un-buffered DIMMs with 2 PCI - Intel Graphics Media Accelerator - |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5KPL/EPU | <!--Chipset-->G31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Pci-e 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8169 Realtek 8111C}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested - 4 240-pin DIMM, Max. 4 GB - 4 pci-e and 3 pci - ATX Form Factor 12 inch x 8.2 inch ( 30.5 cm x 20.8 cm ) - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G31M ES2L | <!--Chipset-->G31 plus ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3100 2d}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC883 (1.x), ALC883/888B (2.x)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|RTL8111C (1.x), Atheros 8131 (2.x)}} | <!--Opinion-->reduces DRAM capacity to 4GB |- | <!--Name-->ASRock G31M-S r1.0 G31M-GS | <!--Chipset-->G31 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 3100 2d not 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{partial|rtl8169 RTL8111DL 8169 (for -GS) RTL8102EL (for -S)}} | <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit Core2 - 2 DDR2 800 max 8Gig AMI bios MicroATX - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock G31M-S r2.0 | <!--Chipset-->G31 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 3100 2d not 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8111DL 8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit core2 - 2 DDR2 800 max 8Gig MicroATX |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/apac/eng/products/desktop/bdb/dg31pr/feature/index.htm Intel DG31PR] | <!--Chipset-->iG31 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|3100 but can use PCIe 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 playback}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111B Rtl 8169}} | <!--Opinion-->good support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Intel G33 Express Chipset with ich9 southbridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Intel 3100 powervr tile based | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit - embedded on Core 2 Quad, Core 2 Duo, Pentium Dual-Core CPUS with Integrated GPU Intel GMA 3100 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS P5G41T-M LX | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH8 + DDR3 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|X4500 some 2d only)}} | <!--Audio-->ALC887 | <!--USB-->3 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros L1c AR8131}} | <!--Opinion-->reduces maximum supported memory ddr3 from 16 to 8GB 2 dimm slots non-EEC - demotes the PCIe controller mode from revision 2.0 (5.0GT/s) to revision 1.1 (2.5GT/s |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT S2 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->VT1708S (1.3), ALC887-VD2 (1.4), ALC887 (2.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Atheros AR8151 l1c (1.x 2.x), | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT S2PT | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC887 (1.0), VIA (2.0), ALC887 (2.1) | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8111E (1.x), Atheros AR8151 l1c (2.1), | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT D3 | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 Port | <!--SATA-->4 Ports | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA X4500 2d only and pci-e 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888B}} | <!--USB-->4 ports + headers | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111 D/E}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-P41T D3P | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH7 with Intel Core 2 Duo (E6xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4ports | <!--Gfx-->GMA X4500 2d | <!--Audio-->ALC888 889/892 | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8111C or D/E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Intel DG41AN Classic | <!--Chipset-->iG41 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx-->X4500 2d | <!--Audio-->ALC888S ALC888VC | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->AsRock P5B-DE | <!--Chipset-->P965 + ICH8 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|works ide legacy}} |<!--Gfx-->{{Yes|with PCI-E 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio via VT1708S}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2006 works well |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5B SE | <!--Chipset-->965 intel | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->works well except ethernet |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5W DH Deluxe P5WDG2 WS PRO | <!--Chipset-->975X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->2 ports | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC882 AND LATER ADI 1988B | <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8052 88E8053}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI TSB43AB22A no |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit IP35 | <!--Chipset-->P35 Express + ICH9R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC888 HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->two RTL8110SC | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Texas TSB43 AB22A no |- | <!--Name-->MSI P35 Neo F FL MS-7630 rev 1 | <!--Chipset-->Intel P35 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 1.1 support | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC888 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->Base model of this range of P35 mobos |- | <!--Name-->GA-P35-DS3 | <!--Chipset-->P35 and ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC889A codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111B | <!--Opinion-->2008 - 4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets max 8 GB - |- | <!--Name-->GA-EP35-DS3 (rev. 2.1) | <!--Chipset-->Intel® P35 + ICH9 Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk|}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|4 }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{unk|Realtek ALC889A codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes | }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8111B}} | <!--Opinion-->good |- | <!--Name-->Abit IX38 Quad GT | <!--Chipset-->X38 / ICH9R Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCI-E 2.0 slot | <!--Audio--> HD Audio ALC888 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8110SC 8169SC | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Texas TSB 43AB22A no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte X38-DQ6 | <!--Chipset-->X38 / ICH9R Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCI-E 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC889A HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->twin 8111B 8169 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-EP45 DS3 (2008) | <!--Chipset-->P45 + ICH9 or ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s (SATAII0, SATAII1, SATAII2, SATAII3, SATAII4, SATAII5) | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E v2.0 x16 slots support splitting its 16 PCIe 2.0 lanes across two cards at x8 transfers | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 or ALC889A codec | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->2 x Realtek 8111C chips (10/100 /1000 Mbit) | <!--Opinion-->4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets non-EEC |- | <!--Name-->MSI P45 Platinum (2008) | <!--Chipset-->P45 + ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 sata2 ports | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E x16 v2.0 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC888 HD Audio | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->G45 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->adds Intel’s GMA X4500HD graphics engine to P45 Express features | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->G43 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GMA X4500 2d | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->removes HD video acceleration from the G45’s features |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5E Deluxe | <!--Chipset--> X48 with ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ADI 1988B codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Marvell 88E8001 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GigaByte GA-X48 DQ6 | <!--Chipset-->X48 plus ICH9R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->8 ports | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E x16 v2.0 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC889A | <!--USB-->8 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8111B 8169 | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TSB43AB23 no - ICH9 pairs with Intel’s 3-series (X38, P35, etc.) chipsets, in addition to the X48 Express, but excluding the G35 Express |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte EP43-DS3L and Gigabyte GA-EP43-UD3L | <!--Chipset-->P43 with ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s connectors | <!--Gfx-->1 x PCI Express x16 slot PCI Express 2.0 standard | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8111C | <!--Opinion-->4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets - 4 pcie x1 - 2 pci - ATX Form Factor; 30.5cm x 21.0cm |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte 73-pvm-s2h rev.1.0 | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA GeForce 7100 nForce 630i | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1 port}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|3 ports SATA2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d GeForce 7100 (vga /hdmi/dvi), 1 PCIe x16 Slot }} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC889A MCP73}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|7 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL 8211B MCP73}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Not, tested with Icaros Desktop 2.0.3 MCP73 is a single chip solution in three different versions |- | <!--Name-->Nvidia 7150 630i | <!--Chipset-->intel based nForce 630i (MCP73) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--GFX-->GF 7150 | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD AUDIO ALC883}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|ohci echi}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201C}} | <!--Opinion-->being tested |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 x16 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> the MCP73PV or the GeForce 7050/nForce 630i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->the MCP73S or the GeForce7025/nForce 630i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->the MCP73V or the GeForce 7025/nForce 610i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Atom SOC (2008/2x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->D945CLF | <!--Chipset-->N230 single core | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA945}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} Skt 441 | <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion-->works very well |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.clusteruk.com iMica D945GCKF2 mobo] | <!--Chipset-->Intel Atom N330 Dual Core | <!--ACPI-->wip | <!--IDE-->{{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|gma}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD AUDIO}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->D945GSEJT + Morex T1610 | <!--Chipset-->Atom 230 with 945GSE | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA900 vga but issues with DVI output}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->small size, runs off 12V |- | <!--Name-->ASUS AT3N7A-I | <!--Chipset-->Atom N330 Nvidia ION | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|3 ports legacy IDE}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|nouveau cube cube 2 45 quake 3 }} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with VIA 1708S codec playback}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 device}} | <!--Opinion--><ref>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAiJpvu73iw</ref> good but can freeze randomly at times |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->D410PT 45nm pinetrail | <!--Chipset-->D410 and NM10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA3150}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC262 or ALC66x odd clicks}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->45nm pinetrail | <!--Chipset-->D510 and NM10 + GMA3150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GMA3150 | <!--Audio-->ALC888B or ALC66x | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8111DL | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-D525TUD (rev. 1.0 1.2 1.5) | <!--Chipset-->D525 NM10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->gma 3150 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111f | <!--Opinion-->2012 64 - 2 ddr3 dimm slots max 8g - Mini-ITX Form Factor; 17.0cm x 17.0cm - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- |} =====Socket 1366 (2009/10)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P6T DELUXE | <!--Chipset-->x58 + ICH10 and Intel 1st gen. (Nehalem/Lynnfield) Core i7 (8xx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|1 port}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 (r2.0) slots | <!--Audio-->ADI AD2000B HD Audio | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8056 Gigabit}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VIA VT6308 no |- | <!--Name-->gigabyte ex58 ds | <!--Chipset--> x58 + ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111D rtl8169 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket 1156 (2010)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire M3910 | <!--Chipset-->i3 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{unk| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA intel HD}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk| Realtek}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H | <!--Chipset-->H55 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|ALCxxx playback}} ALC888B (Rev1.x) | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8111D}} (Rev 1.x) | <!--Opinion-->Tested but no support for WLAN Realtek 8188su |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H55M-E33 v1.0 | <!--Chipset-->E7636 M7636 H55 chipset so older i3/i5/i7 system | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC889}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|PCI-E Realtek 8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->Works well |- | <!--Name-->Asus P7P55D | <!--Chipset-->P55 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{unk| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe | via codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe |rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111B/C RTL8112L }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1155 H2 (2010/13)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS P8H61-I LX R2.0 | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio via7018s codec}} | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111f}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit up to intel ivybridge cpus - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8H61-I/RM/SI mini-itx | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2 | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio via7018s codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111f}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit up to i3-2010 - OEM board from an RM machine but not ivybridge as the Asus BIOS isn't compatible with these, 0909 hacked one might work - |- | <!--Name-->asus p8h61-i lx r2.0/rm/si mini itx | <!--Chipset-->h61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with VIA codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 sandy and ivy - oem from rm machine 2 x 240-Pin DDR3 DIMM sockets max DDR3 1333MHz - |- | <!--Name-->‎Bewinner 63q9c7omvs V301 ITX | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata with nvme | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8106E 100M Network Card | <!--Opinion-->2022 64 |- | <!--Name-->Biostar H61 H61MHV2 H61MHV3 Ver. 7.0 | <!--Chipset-->H61 with Intel Pentium G 2xxx series CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC662 later ALC897 | <!--USB-->4 usb2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2014 - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H61M-D2-B3 | <!--Chipset-->H61 + Sandybridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 | <!--USB-->2 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H61MA-D3V | <!--Chipset-->H61 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Maybe HDAudio with Realtek ALC887 (Rev 2.0) ALC887 (Rev2.1) | <!--USB-->2 USB 2.0/1.1 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H61N-D2V | <!--Chipset-->H61 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata2 and maybe 4 sata3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 slot wit 1 x DVI-I port | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC887 (Rev 1.0)}} | <!--USB-->2 USB 2.0/1.1 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit- 2 x 1.5V DDR3 DIMM sockets up to 16 GB - |- | <!--Name-->GA-H61M-S2PV | <!--Chipset-->H61 with 2400k 2500k 2600k 2700k | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC887 (rev 1.0 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3) | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Rtl811E (1.0) 8151 (2.0) Rtl8111F (2.1 2.2 2.3) | <!--Opinion-->Micro ATX Form Factor; 24.4cm x 20cm with 2 pci-e and 2 pci - |- | <!--Name-->Intel Classic Series DH61CR Desktop | <!--Chipset-->H61 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82579V}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H61M-P20 (G3) MS-7788 *retail MSI board *OEM Advent, etc | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|four SATAII ports}} | <!--Gfx-->1 PCI Express gen3 (retail) gen2 (oem) x16 slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8105E 100M Network Card}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - 22.6cm(L) x 17.3cm(W) M-ATX Form Factor - BIOS - [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1149&rowstart=140&pid=6009#post_6007 works well], |- | <!--Name-->MSI H61I-E35 (B3) MS-7677 Ver.1.2 | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata2 3gbps | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for hdmi and 1 pcie 2.0 x1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1149&rowstart=140&pid=5861#post_5861 works}} | <!--USB-->USB3 and USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 rtl8111e}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8H67-M | <!--Chipset-->H67 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata3 - 4 sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC887 | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8P67 | <!--Chipset-->P67 with sandybridge and ivybridge cpus | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169 realtek rtl8111}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8Z68-V LX | <!--Chipset-->Z68 + Intel 2nd generation (Sandy Bridge) CPU and possibly ivybridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|2 sata3 - 4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio Intel HD with ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB3.0 - 4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek® 8111E}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit SSE 4.1 and AVX - EFI bios - 4 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Z68AP-D3 (B3) | <!--Chipset-->Z68 + Ivybridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata3 - 4 sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC889 | <!--USB-->2 USB3.0 - 4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus B75M-A | <!--Chipset-->B75 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ® ALC887-VD codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek ® 8111F-VB-CG }} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->H77 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H77-D3H 1.0 1.1 | <!--Chipset-->H77 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata 3.0 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio VIA VT2021 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros GbE LAN chip}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit i5 3550 7 3770 - 4 DDR3 slots - 2 full pci-e 2 pci slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA Z77 D3H with i3 3225 dual | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio VIA VT2021 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros GbE LAN chip}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1150 H3 (2013/2016)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/asus-b85m-e-rev-1-02 Asus B85M-E] | <!--Chipset-->B85 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ® ALC887-VD2 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{no| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8111F}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H87N-WIFI mITX | <!--Chipset-->H87 and Intel 4th generation (Haswell) Core i5 (4xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel Atheros | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS H81I-PLUS Mini ITX | <!--Chipset-->H81 with intel 4590t 4690t | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata3 6gbps | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 x4 slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio 6.34 with ALC8878 codec playback only}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB3 USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 rtl8111g}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 2 ddr3 dimm slots max 16gb - f2 or DEL bios and f8 boot select - |- | <!--Name-->Asus H81M-C H81M-P-SI | <!--Chipset-->H81 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 (4xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2x3g 2x6g | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->hdaudio alc887 vd | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8111gr | <!--Opinion-->2013 skt 1150 - 2 ddr3 max 16g - mini atx - |- | <!--Name-->Asus H81T | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->HD4000 igpu only | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887-VD | <!--USB-->Intel USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit intel 4th gen mini itx - external dc brick with 19v rare barrel pin 7.4MM x 5.0MM - 2 ddr3 laptop sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H81M-S2V | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® GbE LAN chip | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit up to i7 4790K - 2 DDR3 slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H81M-D3V (rev. 1.0) | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|2 sata2 2 sata3 }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{unk| HDAudio Realtek® ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|intel and VIA® VL805}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169 Realtek }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H81M-E34 (MS-7817) | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 2.0 x16 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8111G}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Z87-K | <!--Chipset-->Z87 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 4c8t i5 4c4t CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H | <!--Chipset-->Z87 Express | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with Realtek® ALC898 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA H97M D3H r1.0 r1.1 with i3 4360 or 4370 dual | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Z97 A with i7 4790K | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->750, 960, 970 and 980 nvidia GTX cards | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan ethernet | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA Z97X UD3H rev1.0 1.1 1.2 | <!--Chipset-->Z97 with i5 4690K | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC1150 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI GAMING 5 Z97 | <!--Chipset-->Z97 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 4c8t CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS Q87M-E | <!--Chipset-->Q87 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 4 DDR3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->H99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA2011V2 s2011-2 (2012/15)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x79 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2013 Xeon e5-???? W TDP, e5-2667V2 W TDP, e5-????V2 W TDP, Sandybridge and Ivybridge V2 |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset-->X79 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA2011V3 s2011-3 (2015/18)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2016 Xeon e5-1620v3 130W TDP, e5-1650V3 (i7-5930K) 140W TDP, e5-2640V3 90W TDP, Haswell-EP |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset-->X99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->most cheap Ryzens are better nowadays |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Huananzhi X99-CD4 | <!--Chipset-->Intel C612 and X99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata 3 connectors and 1 m.2 nvme slot | <!--Gfx-->pcie slot | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC897 codec | <!--USB-->{{No|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2024 quality might not be great outside of a simple setup - 2 ddr4 dimms - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Keyiyou X99 XD4 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Machinist MR9A Pro | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Machinist MR9A Pro | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Mogul | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Qiyida X99 H9S | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Soyo | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1151 Socket H4 (2015/2018)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->Skylake CPUs have TPM 2.0 embedded |- | <!--Name-->Asus H110 Plus H110M-A/DP | <!--Chipset--> with 6th Gen Core and 7th with bios update | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sunrise Point-H SATA [AHCI mode] [8086 a102] | <!--Gfx-->{{No|Skylake Integrated HD Graphics use PIC-E slot}} | <!--Audio-->Intel HD Audio with Realtek ALC887 Audio CODEC | <!--USB-->Sunrise Point-H USB 3.0 xHCI [8086: a12f] no usb2.0 fallback | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111GR or 8111H RTL8111 8168 8411}} | <!--Opinion-->ATX with 3 pci-e and 2 DDR4 slots - uatx version smaller - turn off TLSF as it was causing AHI driver to corrupt. Turned off ACPI for errors but works fine once booted - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS H110M-R M-ATX | <!--Chipset-->H110 6th Gen Skylake Core™ i7 Core™ 6950X i7-6970HQ i7-6700K 4c8t hyperthreading, i5/Core™ i5-6600K 4c4t i3/Pentium® / Celeron® | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 x SATA 6Gb/s | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek® ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->Intel USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2016 64bit - 2 DDR4 DIMMS Max 32GB 2133MHz - 1 full pci-e and 2 pci-e 1 - |- | <!--Name-->Asus H110T | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->intel igpu only | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Dual Intel/Realtek GbE languard | <!--Opinion-->2016 - mini itx 12v / 19v laptop type rare barrel pin 7.4MM x 5.0MM - 2 sodimm ddr4 slots - no pci-e slot - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H110M-S2H MATX Rev1.0 | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->2 (USB 3.1 Gen 1) ports with 4 us2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® GbE LAN | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte ga-h110n | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| sata}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d for Intel or PCI-e slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HDaudio for ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2016 mini-itx 6th gen |- | <!--Name-->Msi H110M-PRO-VH | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 x SATA 6Gb/s | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio--> Realtek® ALC887 Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111h | <!--Opinion--> 6th gen intel - 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus H170 Pro Gaming | <!--Chipset-->H170 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->Asmedia USB3.1/3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI Z170A TOMAHAWK | <!--Chipset-->Z170 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sara, 1 x 2280 Key M(PCIe Gen3 x4/SATA), 1 x 2230 Key E(Wi-Fi) | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan | <!--Opinion-->2016 64bit up to i7 7700k - 2 DDR4 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GIGABYTE GA-B250M-DS3H HD3P D3H D2V | <!--Chipset-->B250 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2018 coffee lake intel 8th gen |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> with Kaby Lake X Intel 7th Gen | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> Z390 with Kaby Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Q370M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> H370M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> B360M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Rampage | <!--Chipset-->x299 with i9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> - up to 24 to 44 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte | <!--Chipset--X299 > | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket LGA 1200 (2020/2022)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI H510M-A PRO (MS-7D22) | <!--Chipset--> with 10th gen Comet Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 64bit - up to 16 pcie lanes rebar possible |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME H410M-E Asrock H470M-HDV/M.2 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> with 11th gen Rocket Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket LGA 1700 (2023/ )===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Alder Lake / 14th gen Raptor Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 2022 64bit - QoS work to 2 level cpus, P down to E cores - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Meteor Lake ultra 5 7 1xxH series 1 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 2024 64bit 10nm - 3 level cpus, Low Power Island (SOC tile) to E onto P cores - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> 15th gen Arrow Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Lunar lake ultra 5 7 2xxV series 2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2025 64bit 7nm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Nova Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2026 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Panther Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2026 64bit - either 44, 484, or 448 tiled cores 18A process - core ultra x9 288h, x7 358H, - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1954 (2027/ )===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Nova Lake-S | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Serpent Lake, Titan Lake, and Razer Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2027 |- |} =====Socket LGA (203x/203x)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} ===Chromebooks=== For most (EOL) cromebooks, the recommended UEFI path forward is to: *put the device into Developer Mode *disable firmware write protection *flash MrChromebox's UEFI Full ROM firmware *install ChromeOS Flex, Linux, etc See [https://mrchromebox.tech/#home MrChrome], [https://mrchromebox.tech MrChrome] and the [https://www.reddit.com/r/chrultrabook/ chrultrabook subreddit] for more info ChromeOS has several different boot modes, which are important to understand in the context of modifying your device to run an alternate OS: *Normal/Verified Boot Mode Can only boot Google-signed ChromeOS images Full verification of firmware and OS kernel No root access to the system, no ability to run Linux or boot other OSes Automatically enters Recovery Mode if any step of Verified Boot fails Default / out-of-the-box setting for all ChromeOS devices *Recovery Mode User presented with Recovery Mode boot screen (white screen with 'ChromeOS is missing or damaged') Boots only USB/SD with signed Google recovery image Automatically entered when Verified Boot Mode fails Can be manually invoked: On Chromebooks, via keystroke: [ESC+Refresh+Power] On Chromeboxes, by pressing a physical recovery button at power-on On Convertibles/Tablets, by holding the Power, Vol+, and Vol- buttons for 10s and then release Allows for transition from Verified Boot Mode to Developer Mode On Chromebooks/Chromeboxes, via keystroke: [CTRL+D] On Convertibles/Tablets, via button press: Vol+/Vol- simultaneously Booting recovery media on USB/SD will repartition/reformat internal storage and reload ChromeOS Note: The ChromeOS recovery process does not reset the firmware boot flags (GBB Flags), so if those are changed from the default, they will still need to be reset for factory default post-recovery. *Developer Mode "Jailbreak" mode built-in to every ChromeOS device Loosened security restrictions, allows root/shell access, ability to run Linux via crouton Verified Boot (signature checking) disabled by default, but can be re-enabled Enabled via [CTRL+D] on the Recovery Mode boot screen Boots to the developer mode boot screen (white screen with 'OS verification is off' text), The user can select via keystroke <pre> ChromeOS (in developer mode) on internal storage ( [CTRL+D] ) ChromeOS/ChromiumOS on USB ( [CTRL+U] ) Legacy Boot Mode ( [CTRL+L] ) </pre> Boot screen displays the ChromeOS device/board name in the hardware ID string (eg, PANTHER F5U-C92, which is useful to know in the context of device recovery, firmware support, or in determining what steps are required to install a given alternate OS on the device. *Legacy Boot Mode Unsupported method for booting alternate OSes (Linux, Windows) via the SeaBIOS RW_LEGACY firmware Accessed via [CTRL+L] on the developer mode boot screen Requires explicit enabling in Developer Mode via command line: sudo crossystem dev_boot_legacy=1 Most ChromeOS devices require a RW_LEGACY firmware update first Boots to the (black) SeaBIOS splash screen; if multiple boot devices are available, prompt shows the boot menu Note: If you hear two beeps after pressing [CTRL+L], then either your device doesn't have a valid Legacy Boot Mode / RW_LEGACY firmware installed, or legacy boot capability has not been been enabled via crossystem. https://www.howtogeek.com/278953/how-to-install-windows-on-a-chromebook/ Chromebooks don’t officially support other OSs. You normally can’t even install as Chromebooks ship with a special type of BIOS designed for Chrome OS. But there are ways to install, if you’re willing to get your hands dirty and potentially ruin everything [https://mrchromebox.tech/#devices Firmware Compatibility] [https://wiki.galliumos.org/Hardware_Compatibility Here is the list of hardware that the GalliumOS supports and information on getting Gallium OS on to those devices] Development on GalliumOS has been discontinued, and for most users, GalliumOS is not the best option for running Linux due to lack of hardware support or a kernel that's out of date and lacking important security fixes. Meet Eupnea and Depthboot, the successors to Galliumos and Breath [https://eupnea-linux.github.io This is the bleeding edge] Most older Chromebooks need the write-protect screw removed in order to install MrChromebox's firmware that allows you to install other operating systems. Most newer Chromebooks don't work in the same way as there is no write-protect screw on them. Very rough guide to '''total''' (i.e. all cores / threads) processor performance (AROS usually uses only the [https://gmplib.org/gmpbench one core]) [[#top|...to the top]] <pre> 060000 AMD Ryzen 9 7900X (AM5 170W), 056000 AMD Ryzen 9 5950X, 055000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900X3D, 053000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900X (AM4 105W), AMD Ryzen 9 3950X (105W), 044000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 042000 AMD Ryzen 9 6900HX, AMD Ryzen 5 5600X3D (AM4 95W), AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 5750GE (AM4 35W), 039000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900HS, Intel Core i7-12700T, AMD Ryzen 7 7735HS (8c16t 45W), AMD 8840U, 038000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800H (FP6 45W), AMD Ryzen 7 6800U, Intel Core i5-12490F, Intel Core i5-12500E, 037000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800HS (FP6 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 8500G 8600GE (AM5 6c12t 35W), AMD Ryzen Z2 (8c16t), 036500 AMD Ryzen 7 5700G (AM4 8c16t 65W), AMD Ryzen 9 6900HS, Intel Core i7-12800H, 036200 AMD Ryzen 7 5700GE (AM4 8c16t 35W), AMD Ryzen Z1 Extreme (top TDP), AMD Ryzen 5 8600G (AM5 65W), 036000 AMD Ryzen 5 3600X (Am4 95W), AMD Ryzen 5 5500 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 5600 (65W), 035000 AMD Ryzen 5 6600H, Intel Core i5-12400F, 031000 AMD Ryzen™ 9 8945HS, Ryzen™ 7 8845HS, AMD Ryzen 7 7840U, 030000 AMD Ryzen 7 4800U, AMD Ryzen 4800H, Intel Core i5-11400F, Intel Zeon E5-2697A V4, 029500 AMD Ryzen 5 4500 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3600 (65W), Apple M3 Pro 12c, 029000 AMD Ryzen 5 4600G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 1700X (AM4 95W), 028500 AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5675U, AMD Ryzen 7 1700 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 7 2700 (65W), Ryzen 3 7540U, 028000 AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5650U, 5 5560U (FP6 25W 6c12t Zen3), Intel Core i5-13500H, AMD Ryzen 7 4800HS, 027700 AMD Ryzen 9 PRO 7940HS (FP8 65W), AMD 8745HS, AMD Ryzen H255 AI, AMD Ryzen 3 7545U, 027500 AMD Ryzen 3 7736U, AMD Ryzen 5 7640U, 027400 AMD Ryzen 5 8540U, AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5650GE (AM4 6c12t 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650G (AM4 45W), 027300 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 4750GE, AMD Ryzen 5 5600H, AMD Ryzen 7 5825U (FP6 8c16t 15W), 027200 AMD Ryzen 5 6600U, AMD Ryzen 7 2700X, AMD Ryzen 5 5600GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen Z1, 027100 AMD Ryzen 7 7730U (FP6 15W 8c16t), AMD Ryzen 7 5800U (FP6 25W 8c16t), Ryzen 9 4900H, 027000 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 4750U (8c16t), Ryzen 5 7430U (FP6 6c12t), Ryzen 5 PRO 6650U, Intel 10500H, 026500 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 7840HS (FP7 65W), AMD Ryzen 7 8840HS, AMD Ryzen Z2 Extreme, 025000 AMD Ryzen 5 5600U (FP6 25W hot 6c12t Zen3), AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (65W), Ryzen 5 7530U, 024500 AMD Ryzen 5 4600HS (FP6 35W 6c12t), Apple M1 Pro, AMD Ryzen 5 5625U (FP6 15W 6c12t), 023700 AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 5350GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 3500X (AM4 95W), Intel Core i7-9700, 023500 AMD Ryzen 5 1600X (95W), AMD Ryzen 3 5300GE (AM4 4c8t 35W), AMD Ryzen 7 5700U (FP6 25W 8c16t Zen2), 023200 AMD Ryzen 3 7330U (FP6 15W 4c8t), AMD Ryzen 7 4700U (FP6 25W 8c8t), AMD Ryzen 5 4400G, 023000 Intel Core i7-1255U, Intel Core i7 13700H, Ryzen 7640HS, 022000 AMD Ryzen Z2 Go (4c8t), AMD Ryzen 5 5500U (FP6 25W 6c12t Zen2), Snapdragon 8 Elite, 020500 AMD Ryzen 3 4300G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 3 5450U 5425U, AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650U (6c12t), 019500 Intel Core i5-1135G7, AMD Ryzen 5 5500H, AMD Ryzen 5 4600U (FP6 25W 6c), AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (65W), 019250 Intel Core i5-1145G7, 019000 AMD Ryzen 5 3400G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 2500X, AMD Ryzen 5 7520U, AMD Ryzen V3C18I (? 15W), 017750 AMD Ryzen 5 3400GE (AM4 35W), Intel Core i5-8400, AMD Ryzen 5 1500X (AM4 65W), Xbox One Series X, 017500 Intel Core i7-6700K, Intel i5-10400, AMD Ryzen 5 4500U (FP6 25W 6c6t), AMD Ryzen 3 5400U, 017000 AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 3 5300U (FP6 25W 4c8t), Intel Core i5-11300H, 016500 AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, AMD Ryzen Embedded V1756B (FP5 45W), AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 4200GE, SD G3 Gen3, 016250 Intel Core i5-1035G7, intel core i5 7600 (4c4t 65W), 016000 AMD Ryzen 5 2400G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3550H, Ryzen 5 PRO 3350GE (4c 8t), Intel Core i5-8500T, 015500 AMD Ryzen Embedded R2544, 015000 AMD Ryzen 3 7320U, Ryzen 7 3700U, Ryzen 3200G (AM4 65W), Intel Core i7-8550U, Intel Core i5-1035G1, 014000 AMD Ryzen 5 2400GE (AM4 35W), Intel Core i7-6700T, AMD Ryzen 5 3550U, 013500 AMD Ryzen 5 3500U (FP5 15W 4c8t), AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, AMD Athlon Gold 4150GE, AMD Ryzen 5 3450U, 013250 AMD Ryzen 3 3200GE (AM4 45W), AMD Ryzen 3 1300X (65W), AMD Ryzen 3 2200G, Xbox One Series S, 013000 AMD Ryzen Embedded V1605B (FP5 25W), AMD Ryzen 2700U, AMD Ryzen R2514, 012500 AMD Ryzen 5 2500U (FP5 25W 4c8t), Intel Core i3-8300T, Intel Xeon X5680, Intel i3-1115G4 (2c4t), 012300 Intel Core i7-8565U, Intel Core i5-8350U, Intel Core i7-8700, Allwinner A733 (2 A76, 6 A55), 012200 ARM Cortex-X3 Prime Snapdragon SD8G2 Gen2 4nm 64-bit Kryo CPU, i5-8250U (4c8t), 012000 AMD Ryzen 3 2200GE, AMD Ryzen 3 1200 (65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3500C, 011500 AMD Ryzen 3 3300U, Intel Core i3-8100T, Intel Core i5-8265U, Intel i5-10210U, CORE i5-10310U, 010500 AMD Ryzen 3 2300U (FP5 25W 4c4t), Allwinner A527 (8 A55), Intel i5 4690K, 010300 Intel Core i7-3630QM, Intel Core i5-6600T, Intel Core i5-4670K, 010200 Intel Core i5-6440HQ, Intel Core i7-3610QM, Snapdragon SD865, 010000 AMD FX-8320E (AM3+ 125W 8c8t), Intel Core i5-7500T, Intel Core i5-4690, Intel i5 4690T, 009000 Spectrum Unisoc Tiger T7280 (T620), Cortex-X2, MediaTek Dimensity 1300 (4 A78, 4 A55), 008700 AMD FX-6130 (AM3+ 90W 6c6t), Intel Core i5-7400T, Intel Core i5-4590T, 008500 Intel Core i5-6500T, AMD Athlon 300GE (AM4, 35W), AMD Athlon Gold 7220U, 008000 AMD Ryzen R1606G (FP5 15W), AMD FX-6300 (AM3 65W 6c6t), Intel Core i5-2500K, 007500 AMD Ryzen 3 3200U, AMD Ryzen 3 3250U, Intel Alderlake ULX N100 / N95, 007200 AMD Ryzen 3 2200U (FP5 25W 2c4t), Intel Core i3-7100T, Intel Twinlakes N150 N200, Xbox(TM) One S, 007100 AMD Ryzen R1505G (FP5, 15W), RK3576 4 A72, 4 A53, Snapdragon XR2 Gen 1, Intel i7-6600U and 7600U, 006600 Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 5G, AMD Athlon 300U (FP5 2c4t 15W), Intel Core i7-7500U, AMD V1202B, 006500 Intel Core i7-6500U, AMD Athlon Gold 3150U, Intel Celeron N5105 (FCBGA1338 15W), SD 685, 006300 Intel Core i3-8130U (15W), Intel Celeron N5095 (FCBGA1338 15W), Intel Core i3-6100T, 006100 Intel Core i5-6300U, Intel Core i5-7200U (2c4t), Intel i7-5500U, Intel Core i7-6600U (2c4t), 006000 Intel Core i5-6200U (2c4t), Intel Core i3-7130U, Intel i7-4500U, Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 4G, 005950 Intel Core i5-4570T, Intel Core i5-5257U, Rockchip RK3588 (4 A76, 4 A55), Snapdragon 7325, 005900 Intel Xeon X5550, Intel Core i5-4300M, MediaTek Dimensity 1200 (4 A78, 4 A55), Unisoc 7255 (T616), 005800 Intel Celeron J4125 J4105 (FCBGA1090 15W), Intel Core i5-3470T, AMD A8-6600K APU, AMD 3015E (2c4t), 005600 Intel Core i5-3360M, Intel Core i7-3520M, Intel Core i5-4210M, Intel Pentium G4600T, 005400 MediaTek Dimensity 900 (2 A78, 6 A55), AMD Athlon Silver 7120U, Snapdragon 860, 005300 AMD PRO A12-9800B 7th Gen APU (FP4 15W), AMD FX-4300 4c4t, AMD Ryzen R1305G, 005250 Intel Core i5-3230M, AMD FX-7600P, Intel Pentium G4400, Unisoc T7200 (Unisoc T606 2 A76, 6 A55), 005200 AMD PRO A10-8770E, AMD A10-9700E, AMD PRO A10-9700B (FP4 15W), Intel Core i3-4130T, 005100 AMD RX-427BB (FP3 15W), AMD A10-9620P, AMD A12-9720P, Intel Core i3-8145U, AMD A12-9830B, 005050 AMD A8-5500 (FM2 65W), AMD A10 PRO-7800B APU, Intel Pentium Silver N5000, Intel Core i7-5500U, 005000 Intel Core i5-5300U, Intel Core i5-3320M (2c4t), Intel Core i5-5350U, Unisoc T618 (2 A73 6 A53), 004900 Intel Core i5-4300U, Intel Core i5-5200U, Intel Core i3-4100M, Snapdragon 662 (SM6115), 004860 Intel Core i7-2620M, Intel Core i7-2640M, AMD Athlon Silver 3050U 3050e, Intel i3-7020U, 004650 Intel Core i5-2520M (2c4t), Intel Core i5-3210M, AMD A10-9600P (FP4 4c 15W), Pentium 4415U, 004625 Intel Core i3-7100U (FCBGA1356 15W), ARM A76 RK3588S, AMD A10-6800B APU, 004600 AMD PRO A8-9600B, AMD PRO A12-8830B, AMD PRO A10-8730B, AMD A12-9700P, Intel Core i3-6100U, 004200 AMD A10-8700P A8-8600P, Intel Core i5-4200U, Intel Core i5-2540M, Intel i3-6006U, Intel i3-4150T, 004000 Intel Core i5-2430M, AMD PRO A8-8600B, AMD 3020e, Mediatek MT6797 Helio X20, 003850 Intel Core i5-2410M (2c4t), Intel Core i3-2120 (LGA1155 65W), Mediatek MT8786, 003800 AMD A10-4600M APU, AMD A10 PRO-7350B APU, AMD A10-5750M APU, Rockchip RK3399, 003600 AMD A8-6500T APU, AMD A8-7410 APU, AMD PRO A6-8550B, AMD A8-5550M (4c4t), 003500 AMD GX-424CC SOC (FT3b 25W 4c4t), ARM A75 Unisoc Tiger T610 (Spreadtrum) (8c 5W), intel i5-5250u, 003400 AMD A10-7300 APU, AMD A6-7310 APU, AMD A8-6410, AMD A10-5745M APU, Intel Core i3-4000M, 003350 Intel Pentium G2020, Intel Core i3-3120M (G2 2c4t), AMD R-464L APU, Intel® Core m5-6Y57 (2c4t), 003300 AMD GX-420CA SOC (FT3 BGA769 25W), AMD A6-9500E, Intel Celeron N4200, AMD A6-5200 ( 25W 2c2t), 003200 AMD A6-6310 APU, AMD A6-6400B APU, AMD A6-8570E, AMD A8-4500M APU, AMD A6-7400K APU, 003000 AMD A8-7150B, AMD A9-9410, A9-9420, A9-9425, AMD A6-8500B (FP4 15W), AMD A8-7100, Intel 5010u, 002900 AMD PRO A6-8530B, AMD A6-8500P, AMD A8-3500M APU, Intel Core i3-2120T, Intel i5-4250u, 002700 AMD Embedded GX-420GI (FP4 15W), AMD PRO A6-9500B, AMD GX-415GA, AMD A4-6210 APU, Intel i3-5005U, 002600 AMD A6-9225, AMD A8-4555M APU, AMD A4-5000 APU (FT3 15W), AMD A6-9220, AMD A6-3420M APU, 002450 Intel Celeron 2950M, Intel Pentium N3700, Intel Core i3-2350M, Allwinner A523 (8 A55), 002400 Intel Celeron N3150, Intel Core i3-2330M, Intel Xeon W3505, AMD A6-9210, Allwinner H618 (4 A53), 002300 Intel Celeron N3350, AMD A4-9120, AMD A4-9125, Intel Core i3-2310M, Intel Celeron 3865U, 002200 AMD A9-9420e, AMD A6-5350M APU, AMD E2-6110 APU, AMD E2-9000e, Celeron N4500, Intel N3710, 002000 AMD GX-412HC, AMD A4-4300M APU, AMD A6 PRO-7050B APU, AMD A6-4400M APU, AMD A6-7000, 001925 Intel Core2 Duo E6700, Intel Pentium Extreme Edition 965, Intel Core i3-370M, Celeron N4020, 001750 Intel Core i3-2365M 2375M, AMD A4-9120C, Intel Core2 Duo T8300, Qualcomm MSM8939, 001600 AMD GX-222GC (BGA769 FT3b 15W), AMD A4-9120e, AMD Embedded GX-215JJ, AMD A4-4355M APU, 001550 Intel Core2 Duo SL9400 T7600 T6600, AMD E2-3200, AMD A6-9220e, Mediatek MT8783, AMD E2-3800, 001520 Intel Celeron N4000, 001500 AMD GX-218GL SOC, AMD A6-4455M, AMD A4-5150M APU, ARM A55 RK3566 (4c 3W), Intel Core2 Duo T8100, 001400 AMD GX-217GA SOC, ARM Cortex-A53 4c4t H700, AMD A4-3300M APU, Allwinner A133P A64 (4 A53), 001300 AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-64 TL-62, Intel Core2 Duo T7300, Intel Core2 Duo T5600, AMD RX-216TD, 001250 AMD GX-412TC SOC, AMD A4-3320M APU, AMD Athlon 64 X2 QL-66, Intel Core2 Duo T7200 001200 AMD Athlon 64 X2 2c TK-57, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-60 RM-74, AMD E1-2500, AMD E2-7015, 001150 Intel Core2 Duo T5550, Intel Core2 Duo L7500, AMD E2-3000M APU, ARM A35 RK3266, AMD E2-7110, 001100 Intel Core2 Duo T5300, AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800, Intel Core2 Duo E4300, Mediatek MT8127, 001050 AMD E1-6010 APU, Intel Pentium T4300, Intel Celeron N2840, 001050 AMD Athlon 64 FX-57, AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core TK-55, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-52 001000 Intel Core2 Duo T5500, Intel Core2 Duo L7300, Intel Core2 Duo SU9400, 000950 AMD G-T56N, AMD Athlon 64 3100+, AMD E2-2000 APU, 000950 AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-50, AMD E1-2200 APU, Intel Celeron U3400, 000925 AMD TurionX2 Dual Core Mobile RM-72, AMD Sempron 140 000920 Intel Celeron SU2300, Intel Core2 Duo T5200, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-56 000890 AMD E2-1800 APU, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-58 000880 AMD G-T56E, AMD G-T48E, 000860 AMD E-450 APU, AMD E-350 APU, AMD Athlon LE-1620 000820 AMD A4-1250 APU, AMD Athlon LE-1600, 000810 AMD E1-2100 APU, Intel Core Duo T2500, 000810 Intel Atom D510, Intel Core2 Duo U7500, 000800 AMD Geode NX 2400+, AMD Turion 64 Mobile ML-42, AMD Athlon II Neo K325, 000760 AMD V140, AMD E1-1200 APU, AMD Athlon 64 3300+, 000730 Intel Core Duo T2400, AMD Turion 64 Mobile MK-38, AMD Sempron 3600+, 000700 Intel Core2 Duo U7600 U7700, AMD Sempron LE-1200, AMD V120 000680 AMD GX-212JC SOC, AMD E-300 APU, AMD A4-1200 APU, 000670 AMD Turion 64 Mobile MK-36 ML-37 ML-40, Mobile AMD Sempron 3800+ 000640 Intel Atom N2600, Intel Atom N570, Mobile AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 000640 Intel Core Duo T2300, Intel Core Duo T2050, 000630 VIA Eden X2 U4200, AMD Sempron LE-1100, AMD Sempron 3100+ 3600+, 000620 AMD C-70 C70 APU, Intel Atom 330, AMD G-T40N, AMD Athlon Neo MV-40, 000610 Intel Core2 Duo U7300, AMD Athlon II Neo K125 K145, 000600 Intel Atom N550, Intel Pentium 4, AMD Athlon 64 2800+, 000580 AMD C-60 C60, AMD G-T40E, AMD Sempron LE-1250 000530 AMD C-50 C50, Intel Celeron M 723, AMD Sempron 210U, 000490 AMD GX-210JA SOC, PowerPC 970 G5 IBM's 970 server CPU (2c), 000470 Mobile AMD Sempron 3500+, Mobile AMD Athlon XP-M 2200+, 000460 AMD Athlon XP 2500+, AMD Sempron 3500+, Mobile Intel Pentium 4, 000440 Intel Atom D425, Intel Atom N470, POWER 4 PPC, 000410 Intel Pentium M, Intel Celeron M, AMD Sempron 2300+ 000400 Intel Atom N450, AMD Sempron 2400+, 000340 Intel Atom D410, AMD G-T52R, AMD C-30, AMD Sempron 2200+ 000330 Intel Atom N455, Intel Atom N280, Intel Atom N270 (1c1t 2W), Intel P3, 000320 Freescale NXP QorIQ P1022 000310 PowerPC G4 7447 1Ghz (1c1t 15W), PPC440 core, 000230 PowerPC PPC G3/PPC 750, 000160 Pentium II, Motorola 68060 000080 Intel 80486, Motorola 68030, 000040 Intel 80386, 000030 Motorola 68020 000008 Motorola 68000 </pre> === Recommended hardware (32-bit) === [[#top|...to the top]] Recommended hardware is hardware that has been tested with latest release of AROS and is relatively easy to purchase second hand (ie. ebay). This hardware also comes with commitment that compatibility will be maintained with each future release. If in future decision will be made to drop any of the recommended hardware from the list (for example due to it no longer being available for purchase), such hardware will move to list of legacy supported systems and will have an indicated end of life date so that users have time to switch to other hardware. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ==== Virtual Hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | VirtualBox 7.x (Other/Unknown template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|PCNET32<br/>E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | VMware 16+ (Other32 template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | QEMU 8.x ("pc" and "q35" machines) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- |} ==== Laptops ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ACER Aspire One ZG5 || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(IDE)}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|RTL8169}} || {{Yes|ATHEROS}} || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | Dell Latitude D520 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|BCM4400}} || {{No|}} || {{Yes|Atheros AR5BXB63}} || * select Intel Core 2 64-bit version, not Celeron 32-bit version <br/> * replace WiFi card to get wireless working |- |} ==== Desktop Systems ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | Fujitsu Futro S720 || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * no 2D/3D acceleration<br/> * use USB ports at back |- |} ==== Motherboards ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ASUS P8Z68V LX || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- | Gigabyte GA-MA770T UD3/UD3P || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * requires external PCIe video card |- | ASUS M2N68-AM SE2 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|NVIDIA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|NVNET}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * connecting a disk via SATA connector is not supported at this time <br/> * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- | Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- |} ==== Legacy supported hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="10%" |EOL ! width="35%" |Comments |- | iMica || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || 2026-12-31 || |- | Gigabyte GA-MA770 UD3 || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(IDE)}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || 2026-12-31 || * requires external PCIe video card |- |} === Recommended hardware (64-bit) === [[#top|...to the top]] Recommended hardware is hardware that has been tested with latest release of AROS and is relatively easy to purchase second hand (ie. ebay). This hardware also comes with commitment that compatibility will be maintained with each future release. ==== Virtual Hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | VirtualBox 7.x (Other/Unknown (64-bit) template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|PCNET32<br/>E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- | VMware 16+ (Other64 template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- | QEMU 8.x ("pc" and "q35" machines) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- |} ==== Motherboards ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ASUS P8Z68V LX || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- |} ==References== [[#top|...to the top]] {{reflist}} {{BookCat}} la5zz3dai8rf93u317huamlwqgrrct1 3 240096 4654223 2015271 2026-07-12T18:09:27Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654223 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talk archive}} == SteevNash == How do you block a deleted user? Never mind, I see. It was just the page. Question 2, why didn't you delete the account? Not that it was mine. -[[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 23:23, 31 August 2010 (UTC) :It's not possible for a local administrator to delete an account. Only a steward at Meta can do that by request. The most I can do is indefinitely block the account. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 23:51, 31 August 2010 (UTC) ::Oh. What's the use of blocking it? -[[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 00:00, 1 September 2010 (UTC) :::It prevents continued impersonation of the real-life person associated with the name on the account. Additionally, if a person has self-declared that they will not be using the account in the future and they'd rather it be deleted entirely (if that were possible for me to even do), this lets me do the second-best thing and "disable" the account (this terminology comes from my use of [[w:Active Directory|Active Directory]]). &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 00:33, 1 September 2010 (UTC) == Speedy request == Do me a favor please and process [[Wikijunior:How Things Work/Fluorescent Lamp]] ;) '''—[[User:I-20|<span style="color:black">I-20</span>]][[User talk:I-20|<span style="vertical-align:super;">the highway</span>]]''' 22:53, 5 September 2010 (UTC) == Stick this in your userpage == <nowiki>[[File:Wikibooks award.svg|1)0px|left|frame|Thanks for all your hard work and dedication. [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]])]]</nowiki> [[File:Wikibooks award.svg|1)0px|left|frame|Thanks for all your hard work and dedication. [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]])]] :Done. Maybe the layout could be improved, but I'm no designer. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 12:05, 10 September 2010 (UTC) :*Earned. Thanks, as well, for your patience and even approach under difficult conditions. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 16:20, 10 September 2010 (UTC) ::Perhaps if you unprotect your user page, I can. If your paranoid about vandalism, you should probably just semi-protect it in my opinion. Is that standard procedure? Just wondering. -[[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 17:34, 10 September 2010 (UTC) :::It has been the convention of many administrators. Unlike an edit to one's talk page, an edit to one's user page won't send an email unless you've chosen the option to email on changes to your watchlist and are watching your user page. I'm also a bit of a higher visibility target due to the alphabetical ordering of my username and the flags assigned to my account. I've a bit of a reason to be paranoid; even the [[Wikibooks:Desired bots]] page in my personal links section that wasn't designated as mine alone received vandalism from someone looking to vandalize anything remotely linked to me. The current scheme shunts all the vandalism to my talk page, which is good because there's no faster way to get my attention for a block. If you're interested in redesigning anything you see at Wikibooks that is fully-protected (such as the main page), you could create a sandbox page and the two could be history merged later. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 18:09, 10 September 2010 (UTC) Move the line I gave you up to the top. That will look better. -[[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 19:18, 10 September 2010 (UTC) == Probable COI editing at [[Rosacea]] pages == [[Special:Contributions/99.9.224.63|99.9.224.63]]. There is quite a history here, I suspect. There is a deletion process going for the Websites and Organizations subpage.[http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Requests_for_deletion#Rosacea.2FWebsites_and_Organisations], and links like these might be part of the problem. I suspect that this is a very patient user, who will be back. I am of no strong opinion regarding the inclusion of Dr. Nase's material, but this is a very controversial figure in the field. He uses the title "Dr." but that's based on a PhD, it seems. He's not a medical doctor, and there are whole web sites dedicated to "exposing" this guy. If the material is going to be included, we need to also include and reference the controversy. This is a medical topic and neutrality is crucial. In the past, it appears that Dr. Nase or someone has removed material mentioning the controversy. See [[Special:Contributions/Wikimod]]. This was also removed by the IP. I moved possibly controversial links from the Organization page to the attached Talk page. This IP didn't engage there but effectively reverted me. From [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:Requests_for_deletion&diff=prev&oldid=1924185], this is Dr. Nase himself. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 00:39, 13 September 2010 (UTC) :I've semiprotected the page for now, until the RFD is resolved and the content that is acceptable for the page is defined. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 01:16, 13 September 2010 (UTC) ::Thanks. I'll also watch the Books page. I'll be happy to watch the attached Talk page and consider requests from the IP or a new account or anyone; I moved the questionable links, a whole pile of them (and some might well be good) to the Talk page. I have no question about the validity of this page, it's part of a book. I started to wikify the links, but realized that, wait, books are designed to be printed out. Something like this should have the full URL displayed.... What we really need are some people involved with or expert in Rosacea that aren't selling something! My position is that COI editors should be strictly kept from any controversial editing of pages required to be neutral, but that they should, if they behave themselves, be protected in contributing to Talk. COI editors almost always know more about the topic they are COI on that your average bear. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 03:28, 13 September 2010 (UTC) == About links here containing terminal / == [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Puzzles/Logic_puzzles/Sudoku/9_by_9&curid=239888&diff=1933590&oldid=1933579&rcid=1895301]. Please 'splain this thing to me. Why are the terminal slashes needed? --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 02:50, 16 September 2010 (UTC) :It is a shorthand for subpage links of the current page. Creating a link with only the subpage portion with beginning and trailing slashes shortens links. If you wish to give the link a different title than what the subpage title is, you can use regular links as normal (but there's no need to have the / in the link title). If you wish to point to another subpage of the ''parent'' rather than the ''current'' page, you can use <tt><nowiki>[[../Subpage name/]]</nowiki></tt> and if you wish to point to the parent you can use <tt><nowiki>[[../|Optional link title]]</nowiki></tt>. For instance, on this page, I could say <tt><nowiki>[[User&nbsp;talk:Adrignola/2010|2010]]</nowiki></tt> ([[User talk:Adrignola/2010|2010]]) or I could simply say <tt><nowiki>[[/2010/]]</nowiki></tt> ([[/2010/]]). In addition to being shorter and easier to read, this syntax provides much of the convenience seen in Wikipedia's linking while still permitting us at Wikibooks to make use of subpages. If you choose to use the relative links I described above rather than absolute links, it also means a book can be renamed entirely and the internal links within the book will still work as expected with no changes needed. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 12:13, 16 September 2010 (UTC) ::Yeah, I understand about relative links. However, I'm talking about the ''terminal'' slash. It seems to be unnecessary. Would you explain more clearly for me when the terminal slash is needed and when it is not? --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 18:47, 16 September 2010 (UTC) ::: If I may chime in, without the trailing slash the leading slash will appear in the link, with the trailing slash just the subpage name appears. See the 9th and 10th examples in the table [[mw:Help:Links|here]]. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub]][[Special:Contributions/Thenub314|314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 18:58, 16 September 2010 (UTC) ::::There you go. Thanks, Thenub. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 00:22, 17 September 2010 (UTC) == Usurp GoRight == Please review my request at [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Requests_for_renaming#GoRight2_.E2.86.92_GoRight] which has some time sensitive aspects to it. Your assistance in this matter would be greatly appreciated. --[[User:GoRight2|GoRight2]] ([[User talk:GoRight2|talk]]) 15:35, 17 September 2010 (UTC) :[[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] '''Done'''. [[Special:MergeAccount]] will unify. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 17:01, 17 September 2010 (UTC) == Intermediate Algebra == Entschuldigung, could you please merge the article [[Intermediate Algebra]] with the article [[Algebra]] --[[User:Darknewmoon|Darknewmoon]] ([[User talk:Darknewmoon|talk]]) 21:58, 17 September 2010 (UTC) :It is a bit too soon for that step. [[User:Sigma 7|Sigma 7]] and [[User:Thenub314|myself]] are still working on merging the subpages. Once the content is merge we can merge the two table of contents pages. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub]][[Special:Contributions/Thenub314|314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 22:54, 17 September 2010 (UTC) == redirecting pages == Andrignola, I understand why you redirected the glossary page of mine, but my glossary page will be ancient AND current history. What should I do? [[User:Tannertsf|Tannertsf]] ([[User talk:Tannertsf|talk]]) 00:41, 18 September 2010 (UTC) :What about making it a template and including it on the respective pages in both books? That could work and wouldn't associate it with a specific book. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 00:56, 18 September 2010 (UTC) i would do that, but I'm not making a current history type book soon...I guess I could just put it as an extension to ancient history? - [[User:Tannertsf|Tannertsf]] ([[User talk:Tannertsf|talk]]) 01:15, 18 September 2010 (UTC) :You know your prospective content better than I, so feel free to put it under whichever book will be most fulfilling. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 02:04, 18 September 2010 (UTC) :: History suggests that having multiple books dependent on pages like a glossary causes more headaches/problems than it solves. I suggest forking the glossary if more than one book really needs it. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 16:26, 18 September 2010 (UTC) == Forkbender == You may want to delete [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=User:Forkbender&oldid=1934845 this revision]. Regards [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 02:26, 18 September 2010 (UTC) : Never, never, '''''EVER''''' post oversight requests publicly. Adrignola, please RevDel the revision, and gossip with a steward. '''—[[User:I-20|<span style="color:black">I-20</span>]][[User talk:I-20|<span style="vertical-align:super;">the highway</span>]]''' 02:31, 18 September 2010 (UTC) ::Well, this is a revision deletion request and not an oversight request. Of course, we don't have a policy on when to escalate to a steward. We'd have to determine what is too sensitive for even administrators to see. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 03:10, 18 September 2010 (UTC) == usurp L == hello, i am the owner of SUL-Account user:L. But there is a local user L in this wiki. Can you please rename the local user? --[[User:L temp|L temp]] ([[User talk:L temp|talk]]) 12:30, 17 September 2010 (UTC) :[[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] '''Done'''. Please login as L (I renamed "L temp" to "L") and visit [[Special:MergeAccount]]. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 13:09, 17 September 2010 (UTC) ::Thank you. --[[User:L|L]] ([[User talk:L|talk]]) 13:56, 20 September 2010 (UTC) == Can I create a userpage, please? == Out of curiosity, I looked at my global contributions across Wikimedia projects. I was surprised to find that I had an edit credited to me on Wikibooks and then discovered it was because an article I had once edited on wikipedia was later moved here. Having "dewikified" that page I'd like to set up a userpage here but it seems that I can't because the page was deleted before. help, please.[[User:Simon Peter Hughes|Simon Peter Hughes]] ([[User talk:Simon Peter Hughes|talk]]) 16:31, 25 September 2010 (UTC) :Not to worry. I've been able to do it now.[[User:Simon Peter Hughes|Simon Peter Hughes]] ([[User talk:Simon Peter Hughes|talk]]) 16:50, 25 September 2010 (UTC) == Bookcat Categorization changes == Hi there. I notice that every time I create a page, you come along and add a category - when I look at the Diff, it has Bookcat in double braces. Should I just do that and save you the effort? - Is there a template that just has the stuff I'm supposed to put in a page (but am leaving out)? Thx --[[User:Scifipete|Scifipete]] ([[User talk:Scifipete|talk]]) 16:28, 27 September 2010 (UTC) :Yes, please add that (anywhere on the page) when you make a new page. It will create a nicely alphabetized index of pages (you can click the link at the bottom to view it). That's really the only thing that has to be added to all new pages. Optionally, you may wish to consider using navigation templates in your book (see [[Wikibooks:Templates/Navigation]]) to assist your readers in following the flow of the book. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 16:31, 27 September 2010 (UTC) ::Thx - You guys sure are helpful --[[User:Scifipete|Scifipete]] ([[User talk:Scifipete|talk]]) 17:24, 27 September 2010 (UTC) == Request for help == Hi Adrignola, I saw your call for assistance from the global sysops. Frankly, I had always assumed enwb had opted-out; my bad for not checking. Now that I know it's opted-in, I'll keep a window open when ever I'm online. All the best! :) '''''<span style="color:darkgreen">[[User:Fr33kman|fr33k]]</span><span style="color:blue">[[User talk:Fr33kman|man]]</span> <span style="color:darkgreen" size="1">[[w:simple:User:Fr33kman|-s-]]</span>''''' 21:00, 27 September 2010 (UTC) :Thanks! I've ensured that you also have the review flag for working with our flagged revisions. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 21:05, 27 September 2010 (UTC) ::Thanks! '''''<span style="color:darkgreen">[[User:Fr33kman|fr33k]]</span><span style="color:blue">[[User talk:Fr33kman|man]]</span> <span style="color:darkgreen" size="1">[[w:simple:User:Fr33kman|-s-]]</span>''''' 21:13, 27 September 2010 (UTC) == Nothing important but... == After reading that RfP thread and the meta thread, I can't help but chuckle. I've always thought that WB is safe from vandalism because of your activity. :) [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ([[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]]) 09:33, 28 September 2010 (UTC) :Well, I think about the big picture. It's not a safe situation if the prevention of vandalism is heavily reliant on one person. This also motivated the implementation of the edit filter, to at least eliminate some of it without human intervention. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 12:36, 28 September 2010 (UTC) == dont delete todo-categorys == Todo-categorys have also empty a sense. That means, all tasks are done. But it would be possible that in the future further tasks follow. Please ponder in the future when you delete a project-category. Greeting from Germany --[[User:Mjchael|Mjchael]] ([[User talk:Mjchael|talk]]) 09:40, 24 September 2010 (UTC) :In the same way the lack of a to-do category can indicate tasks are done. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 12:11, 24 September 2010 (UTC) ::Sorry, you don't understand the usage and meaning of a todo-list. Deleting this category will only make sense if the book is completely finished, or the user explicitly asks for a deletion. Once all the acute tasks are done, is far from saying that the author cant adding new ones. The category contains usually elements that don't want to be allays create new. <pre>__HIDDENCAT__ [[Kategorie:todo|!]] [[linkToTheBook]] or [[linkToTheUser]] ;Info to the Book</pre> ::After all the purchases were made, no one thrown away the whole scribbling block, just the shopping list. DON'T DELETE THEM NEEDLESSLY! --[[User:Mjchael|Mjchael]] ([[User talk:Mjchael|talk]]) 16:07, 30 September 2010 (UTC) :::You needn't yell about an issue that can be discussed civilly. What about all the books that aren't complete and don't have this category present? Hence my previous statement, else it'd be a lot of work to create categories for something that can simply be implicit. My issue is that a lot of them are not active and no longer have users that would request deletion of the category, once empty, that ''you created''. Hence I took the initiative on just a couple I noticed when doing maintenance and browsing [[Special:UnusedCategories]]. I see that one was in a book that you predominantly edit and so I should have asked you about that one. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 16:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC) lm9d8asjsogb6reiqs4e2odhj7yvjnq 3 241393 4654224 2015272 2026-07-12T18:09:29Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654224 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talk archive}} == revdel? == Would it be all right to revdel [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:Sandbox&curid=220790&diff=1941687&oldid=1941685 this] as a copyvio? Whilst there doesn't appear to be a revision deletion policy here, I saw that admins here have the capability to do so. Thanks. <!--You probably don't know me, but I patrol the smaller English-language projects as they seem to be neglected in the countervandalism agenda.--> [[User:Sonia|Sonia]] ([[User talk:Sonia|talk]]) 08:55, 1 October 2010 (UTC) :Sure. I took care of that for you. We are admittedly lacking in policies in certain areas but instead develop conventions organically in many cases. I have noticed your efforts against vandalism in the period where those in the US are asleep. Excellent work. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 11:58, 1 October 2010 (UTC) ::There are 11 other revisions by the IP that contain the same copyrighted content. Please delete those as well. Thanks [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ([[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]]) 13:18, 1 October 2010 (UTC) :::That IP also has edited [[WebMonitor]] as well and ''may'' be [[User:Leonard64]] logged-out. People are complaining that [[WebMonitor]] is a copyvio as well. These revision deletions are either an over reaction or not enough reaction to the larger situation. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 13:23, 1 October 2010 (UTC) == Query == It would be off-topic to ask at the reading room so I'm asking here. When may WJ be moved to wikijunior.org? When and where was the proposal made? When did wikijunior.org start to exist? Just some curious quesitons, thanks. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ([[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]]) 04:12, 2 October 2010 (UTC) :A recent discussion is {{nowrap|[[Wikibooks talk:What is Wikijunior#Relationship with Wikibooks]]}}. Relevant background includes [[m:Wikijunior]]. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 11:30, 2 October 2010 (UTC) ::Hmm, I didn't know that Wikijunior was never supposed to be a subproject. Interesting. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ([[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]]) 12:45, 2 October 2010 (UTC) == Starting a workspace for my book co-op == I would like to mark my wiki as workspace for my book co-op, and would like to be instructed how do this properly. If not here, where? [[User:Brotonamobay|Brotonamobay]] ([[User talk:Brotonamobay|talk]]) 22:10, 5 October 2010 (UTC) :Are you working to create a new book? If you are trying to coordinate the completion of several books by a group of people, you can follow the lead of our [[Wikibooks:WikiProject]] page and create a page in the Wikibooks namespace, assuming that what you are thinking of matches what is described on that page. Perhaps if you created your user page with some information on this co-op I would have a better idea of how to assist further. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 23:43, 5 October 2010 (UTC) We are trying to start a writing project, any writing project. I've created my user page to more specifically say what me and my group says. [[User:Brotonamobay|Brotonamobay]] ([[User talk:Brotonamobay|talk]]) 17:28, 6 October 2010 (UTC) == Template:Rquote modifcation and protection == Your modification of Template:Rquote removed my edit and now the template is protected. My edit (incorrectly shown here, by the way) was: http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ARquote&action=historysubmit&diff=1794044&oldid=1888273 My edit added the option to give the 3rd and 4th parameters as named parameters instead, which is necessary if a URL in the 3rd parameter contains an equal sign. --[[User:Fasten|Bernhard Fastenrath]] 17:32, 1 October 2010 (UTC) :Not sure why you'd need named parameters to overcome that. You can name numbered parameters. For instance, you can use {{tlx|rquote|1{{=}}blah|2{{=}}blah|3{{=}}blah|4{{=}}blah}}. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 18:38, 1 October 2010 (UTC) :: Okay, I forgot that you can list numbered parameters with their number. Thank you. --[[User:Fasten|Bernhard Fastenrath]] 11:40, 6 October 2010 (UTC) == Another Help == Hi, I'm back for a help. pls compare these 2 pages *http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikijunior:Alphabet/A *http://si.wikibooks.org/wiki/කණිෂ්ඨ_විකි:හෝඩිය/අ Here, :Wikijunior = කණිෂ්ඨ_විකි :Alphabet = හෝඩිය :A = අ It seems something missing. We have the new name space called "කණිෂ්ඨ_විකි". But When we dig into one of the article pages (like Alphabet/A) it should show '''<nowiki>< Wikijunior:Alphabet</nowiki>''' section in top of page. But it doesn't work in ours. What do you think? Do we need any mapping Wikijunior & කණිෂ්ඨ_විකි(Sinhala name-space). Thanks! [[User:බිඟුවා|බිඟුවා]] ([[User talk:බිඟුවා|talk]]) 07:19, 8 October 2010 (UTC) ::Thanks! I got it. :) I'll take necessary actions. --[[User:බිඟුවා|බිඟුවා]] ([[User talk:බිඟුවා|talk]]) 14:37, 8 October 2010 (UTC) == Atlas == Hello! As you saw, I made an atlas. How may I update [[Subject:Astronomy|this page]] with my atlas? Thanks! --[[User:Roberto Mura|<span style="color:#32cd32;">'''Roberto'''</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Roberto Mura|<span style="color:#ffa500; ">'''Segnali all'Indiano'''</span>]]</small> 12:12, 9 October 2010 (UTC) :Greetings. It appears that your book is already shown at [[Subject:Astronomy]]. If you add "?purge" at the end of the address or choose the gadget in [[Special:Preferences]] to add a purge link to your buttons at the top, it should show up for you. I did put the contents at the root of the book per [[Wikibooks:Manual of Style]]. I know there are some old books that don't comply, but I'm working on correcting those over time too. Thank you for your contributions! &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 12:16, 9 October 2010 (UTC) ::Ok now it is visible. I tried to purge using ctrl+r, now I'll install the tabs as well as I did on en.wikip and it.wikip. About formatting, I saw your changements, thank you for your helping. Bye! --[[User:Roberto Mura|<span style="color:#32cd32;">'''Roberto'''</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Roberto Mura|<span style="color:#ffa500; ">'''Segnali all'Indiano'''</span>]]</small> 12:19, 9 October 2010 (UTC) == Usurpation == Dear Adrignola, I'm Lucas, [[:it:Utente:Lucas|sysop on italian Wikipedia]] and editor on many other Wikimedia's projects, included en.wiki, en.wikinews and en.wikiquote (with [http://toolserver.org/~vvv/sulutil.php?user=Lucas more than 30'000] total edits). I would like to take my username here too. I often add images, fix links, and fight inter-wiki spams. The user Lucas here has just [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Lucas 4 edits], 3 in 2005 and one in 2006 and no one in NS1. Could you please change the name to another one and reassign it? Thanks in advance. In case of doubts please leave me a line on my italian discussion page too, thanks! ;) --[[User:Lucas2|Lucas2]] ([[User talk:Lucas2|talk]]) 12:20, 9 October 2010 (UTC) * [http://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente%3ALucas&action=historysubmit&diff=35416872&oldid=35416861 Confirmation] of my identity if required. --[[User:Lucas2|Lucas2]] ([[User talk:Lucas2|talk]]) 12:20, 9 October 2010 (UTC) :[[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] '''Done'''. You probably already know you can unify at [[Special:MergeAccount]]. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 12:25, 9 October 2010 (UTC) == Atlas II == Hi, the wiki version of the atlas is almost completed. Do you have any suggestion concerning formatting, quality, etc? Thank you! --[[User:Roberto Mura|<span style="color:#32cd32;">'''Roberto'''</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Roberto Mura|<span style="color:#ffa500; ">'''Segnali all'Indiano'''</span>]]</small> 08:59, 10 October 2010 (UTC) :Instead of adding the category with <nowiki>[[Category:Blah]]</nowiki> which sorts all subpages by the same first letter of the book, please use {{tl|BookCat}}, which will sort subpages by the first letter of the subpage name and not the first letter of the book. Also, I changed [[Template:Observing the Sky from 30°S]] to add that category automatically for any pages it's on. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 12:44, 10 October 2010 (UTC) ::Ok, I'll keep in mind for the future. Thank you for your helping! Ah, in the main page there is a version to check (there is a banner, on it.x we don't use this system). After that, what can I do? --[[User:Roberto Mura|<span style="color:#32cd32;">'''Roberto'''</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Roberto Mura|<span style="color:#ffa500; ">'''Segnali all'Indiano'''</span>]]</small> 12:58, 10 October 2010 (UTC) :::I don't see any other problems. You're free to decide where you want to go from here. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 13:03, 10 October 2010 (UTC) ::::that's good. May I look for the good/featured books? This atlas was developed mainly for the printed version, so "wikiformattation" of this atlas can be hard. Bye! --[[User:Roberto Mura|<span style="color:#32cd32;">'''Roberto'''</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Roberto Mura|<span style="color:#ffa500; ">'''Segnali all'Indiano'''</span>]]</small> 13:09, 10 October 2010 (UTC) :::::If you're asking whether you should try to get it featured, it would seem to me, in my own opinion, that the amount of content in the book would need to be expanded further. However, you are free to post at [[Wikibooks:Featured books/Nominations]] if you so desire. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 15:05, 10 October 2010 (UTC) ::::::Uhmmm I will not do it, so. This atlas IMHO doesn't require more contents because I conceived it as an atlas, not a book, so the maps are the ''core'' of this work. And of course there are many maps there, 2+24+8. Thank you for your helping, again, because this project has many differences with it.wikibooks. --[[User:Roberto Mura|<span style="color:#32cd32;">'''Roberto'''</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Roberto Mura|<span style="color:#ffa500; ">'''Segnali all'Indiano'''</span>]]</small> 15:27, 10 October 2010 (UTC) == RFP for RR == Don't you think we have sufficient consensus on making [[User:Recent Runes]] an admin? I hate to see things like this drag out. I would close the discussion myself, except that I made the nomination. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 00:16, 12 October 2010 (UTC) :Okay, since you asked. People've complained about not waiting a week after the last comment to close an RFD, which can be reversed, as compared to an adminship, which can't. But since it's universal support it should be all right to close it sooner. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 00:57, 12 October 2010 (UTC) ::Hmmm. If we followed that guideline when we have unanimous support, it would mean that every supporting voice would delay implementation. I figure that one week without dissent sure ought to be sufficient! Thanks for executing! --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 01:48, 12 October 2010 (UTC) == Printing == Hi, I used PediaPress to print my book. I like the look of it overall, EXCEPT, where I have a section like this: Oracle and DB2, Comparison and Compatibility/Storage Model/Physical Storage/Oracle PediaPress prints the whole string. I'd like to at least suppress outputting the entire book name in each section header, and preferably be able to edit this to something more readable and well formatted overall. How do I do that? Thx --[[User:Scifipete|Scifipete]] ([[User talk:Scifipete|talk]]) 20:23, 11 October 2010 (UTC) : You can see how chapters can be created for a PDF/printed book and how titles can be customized via the corrections I've made to [[User:Scifipete/Collections/Oracle and DB2 Comparison and Compatibility]]. Load the printed PDF again and you'll see the difference. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 20:37, 11 October 2010 (UTC) ::Fast response, just what I needed - you guys are good --[[User:Scifipete|Scifipete]] ([[User talk:Scifipete|talk]]) 22:04, 11 October 2010 (UTC) :::I just uploaded a graphic that I want to use on the cover of the book. I can't see it when I try to select images from PediaPress - is there a time delay? Is there a way that I can explicitly state which image I want (rather than selecting it from an out of date list of my contributions)? Thx --[[User:Scifipete|Scifipete]] ([[User talk:Scifipete|talk]]) 22:21, 11 October 2010 (UTC) ::::The images shown are those used in the book itself. You want to put the cover image on the title page of the book. Size it and float it to the right of the contents. Then it will appear in the list and make the book look better. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 23:57, 11 October 2010 (UTC) :::::Index. I notice that there is an index generated at the back of the book. It is very sparse (less than one page), and contains some weirdo entries (i.e. a reference to '''None''' on page 91). How is the index generated? How can I influence it's contents? If I'm asking noob questions that are covered in a FAQ / HowTo doc, could you point me to that? Thx --[[User:Scifipete|Scifipete]] ([[User talk:Scifipete|talk]]) 13:02, 13 October 2010 (UTC) ::::::I do not have much experience with the PediaPress system. I do not know how you could influence the index. I don't particularly make much use of print versions or PediaPress. I usually like to create collections just for the PDF generation rather than the creation of printed books. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 17:33, 13 October 2010 (UTC) == File does the same thing == Hi, I used [[Image:.. to put an image on my cover, and you changed it to [[File:.., saying 'file does the same thing'. I'm OK with the edit, can you give me a guideline on when I should use Image vs. File, because every other picture in the book is referenced with Image, and this is the only one you changed. Thx --[[User:Scifipete|Scifipete]] ([[User talk:Scifipete|talk]]) 14:35, 14 October 2010 (UTC) :"Image" is deprecated in favor of "File", as you can include images, PDFs, sound files, video files, and more in your books. You mustn't let your creativity by stifled by the subconscious limitations imposed by "Image"! In all seriousness, though, they do in fact do the same thing and are interchangeable. It's worthwhile to use "File" for new pages just to keep in mind the possibilities, but it's not worth it to go back through all the old ones and change "Image" to "File". &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 14:41, 14 October 2010 (UTC) ::Thx for the quick response. Any limits to my creativity (subconscious or otherwise) are something I can ill afford :-) --[[User:Scifipete|Scifipete]] ([[User talk:Scifipete|talk]]) 17:07, 14 October 2010 (UTC) == CK12 High School Trigonometry == Thanks for your note to me on [[User_talk:JamesCrook/Trigonometry_Plan|Trigonometry Plan]]. I did subsequently download the ck12.org book from their site, all 85.2Mb, and am pleased/relieved that there are sufficiently large differences to the [[Trigonometry]] book and the plans for it. It will be good to have both.[[User:JamesCrook|JamesCrook]] ([[User talk:JamesCrook|talk]]) 21:09, 14 October 2010 (UTC) == reviewer status == Thanks for the vote of confidence. I'll do my best to help. --[[User:Stepheng3|Stepheng3]] ([[User talk:Stepheng3|talk]]) 20:16, 14 October 2010 (UTC) :Everything you've done so far has been excellent. [[Blender 3D: Noob to Pro]] is quite a book to try to take on. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 19:07, 18 October 2010 (UTC) == mysql print version == Please fix the print version wrt the language section: [[MySQL/Print_version#The_language]] :It is updated. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 17:32, 17 October 2010 (UTC) But check the result: the Language subsections are now considered top-level sections and are messing the numbering. [[User:Beuc|Beuc]] ([[User talk:Beuc|talk]]) 19:54, 17 October 2010 (UTC) :The automatic contents does not show up when printing, so it should not be an issue. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 23:43, 17 October 2010 (UTC) ::Of course it is an issue, the headings presentation is not the same and will confuse the readers. Please fix it ''correctly''. [[User:Beuc|Beuc]] ([[User talk:Beuc|talk]]) 18:14, 18 October 2010 (UTC) :::Every transclusion on a print version page uses a first level heading. That's what each one on that page is using. I've notoc'ed the page so that it properly displays what the reader will see when the page is printed. I feel nothing further is necessary. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 18:54, 18 October 2010 (UTC) == Bot == What do you think of [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/Outdoor_Industries/Agriculture&oldid=1885396&diff=cur this edit]? Methinks it be a bot, and for some reason, I think I've seen a spate of these in the past. But my memory is not what it used to be. If I am correct, we will probably see a rash of these in the next few days. I have not blocked the ip, but I prolly should have. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 11:16, 20 October 2010 (UTC) :I don't remember seeing any recently, but I found information at http://www.janhvizdak.com/doorstxt6-spam.php suggesting it is in fact automated. So you are correct, but this time we're ready. I've deployed an [[Special:AbuseFilter/21|edit filter]] that will stop it in its tracks. Fighting automation with automation, fire with fire. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 12:39, 20 October 2010 (UTC) ::I'm all for that! Thanks! --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 13:23, 20 October 2010 (UTC) == WJ page configurations == Can you suggest a feasible way to produce a list of ''un''reconfigured pages in any given namespace? --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 14:05, 21 October 2010 (UTC) :I wish I could. At this point it'd only be feasible with a toolserver/database query. I don't like that [[Special:ConfiguredPages]] doesn't put the pages in alphabetical order either. It's definitely a limitation. Ideally, we could set default stability settings per namespace. The developer of the extension was asking Darklama if we really needed stability settings. I think it was having to do with a concern that it would cause performance problems with pending changes at Wikipedia. Well, if we could set per namespace, we wouldn't have to set per-page, and that would not only avoid the issue that prompted you to ask this question, but it would also increase performance for Wikipedia. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 14:10, 21 October 2010 (UTC) ::I hope this helps, I went ahead and generated a list of all configured wikijunior pages (see [[User:Thenub314/WJC]]) and all wikijunior pages (see [[User:Thenub314/WJA]]) and ran a diff, cleaned up the output (removed configured redirects etc.) The resulting list, is at [[User:Thenub314/WJD]]. Consider this list my apology for not being more helpful when it was actually time to configure them, maybe I can be a little useful now. Would it be helpful to have a bot that did this? [[User:Thenub314|Thenub]][[Special:Contributions/Thenub314|314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 17:44, 21 October 2010 (UTC) :::Excellent. Looks like Pi zero took care of the last of them. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 22:28, 21 October 2010 (UTC) ::::If configurations were by namespace, in order to cover templates for WJ we'd have to configure the entire template space that way. Hm. Templates being the special creatures they are &mdash;pretty much all higher-than-average impact&mdash; I wouldn't have a problem with that. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 00:00, 22 October 2010 (UTC) == The PSY Accounts == Now need a close watch - two edits in the last hour by different accounts, both make sex references... doesn't bode well. <span style="color:#E66C2C">[[User:QuiteUnusual|'''QU''']]</span> <sup><span style="color:#306754">[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|TalkQu]]</span></sup> 17:24, 21 October 2010 (UTC) == Table of Contents from SPM book == Hi there Adrignola, you recently removed a Table of Contents which I added to the front page of the "SPM" wikibook. It's a very long page without it. I was wondering why you removed it? The URL of the change is http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=SPM&diff=1952318&oldid=1951721 . Thanks! <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Peterz1|Peterz1]] ([[User talk:Peterz1|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Peterz1|contribs]]) 19:20, 24 October 2010</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> :Maybe you might consider having chapters for the book, with contents for those chapters themselves on a page away from the main contents, with the main contents as the summary. I've done something like that with [[Foundations of Education and Instructional Assessment]]. You have the chapter contents listed on the main contents, and then each chapter has its own contents. There is also an expanded table of contents linked from the main page with all pages listed (quite a few for that book, too). If you really would like the table of contents, feel free to add it back. However, as you say, it is a long page and it seemed to me that the table of contents just made it longer and it was odd having a table of contents for your table of contents. Consider having a summary table of contents on the main page. It's definitely something I've encountered more than once with my physical textbooks. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 22:09, 24 October 2010 (UTC) 40ne24pboqswqalfzi17gdly7xzoyvb 3 243421 4654225 2015273 2026-07-12T18:09:30Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654225 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talk archive}} == Request for Guidance to Update GeSHi to Version 1.0.8.6 or Greater == I'm having difficulty finding an article that explains how to request updates to features on the wiki. What I'm wanting to request is to add the Clojure syntax highlighting capabilities to the GeSHi plugin that is currently used on the wiki. While Clojure is similar in syntax to both Common Lisp and Scheme (all Lisp-1 languages), the Lisp tag has differing keywords &mdash; such as car/cdr vs first/second &mdash; and the Scheme tag, while doing a better job, isn't providing clear identification of the different parts of the source code. On the [http://qbnz.com/highlighter/demo.php GeSHi demo], they show Clojure as a supported language, but I've noticed that it is not in the list of available languages here. I see that Wikibooks is running GeSHi 1.0.8.4 currently, and that Clojure was added in version 1.0.8.6 and has been maintained as part of the toolkit up to the most recent version of 1.0.8.9. It looks like an update of GeSHi would be needed to fulfill my request, but I'm not certain if this is a viable option. Any guidance/advice on how to make this request is appreciated. [[User:Mies|Mies]] ([[User talk:Mies|talk]]) 15:47, 31 October 2010 (UTC) :A request would need to be filed at [[bugzilla:|Bugzilla]] as a Wikimedia site feature request for any extensions that we want installed. However, I thought the GeSHi extension was one of the standard ones installed for every Wikimedia wiki and that the developers would update it as part of their normal duties. If you check the venerable Wikipedia, you'll see that they are also still on 1.0.8.4. It might take a bug report to spur them on, however. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 22:11, 31 October 2010 (UTC) ::Wow, that kinda came at me by surprise. I didn't realize that the plugins here were directly chained to the Monolith. I guess I'll file the bug make due with what the server currently has. Thanks for the guidance! [[User:Mies|Mies]] ([[User talk:Mies|talk]]) 00:24, 1 November 2010 (UTC) == [[WebMonitor]] == I'm afraid I haven't used WikiBooks before, so please forgive me if I'm going about this the wrong way, but we've finally received usable permission via OTRS for this book, so would it be possible for you to undelete it? We've also received permission for [[GFI WebMonitor]] and [[GFI EventsManager]], so I was hoping you could tell me (or direct me to someone who might know) if the procedure here is the same as on Wikipedia of placing {{tl|ConfirmationOTRS}} on the talk page? [[User:VernoWhitney|VernoWhitney]] ([[User talk:VernoWhitney|talk]]) 14:38, 1 November 2010 (UTC) :[[GFI WebMonitor]] is a recreation of [[WebMonitor]] by the same person so the tag need only be placed on [[GFI WebMonitor]] and [[GFI EventsManager]]. The OTRS templates work the same as we imported them for your use. Thanks for your help. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 14:40, 1 November 2010 (UTC) ::Great, thanks! [[User:VernoWhitney|VernoWhitney]] ([[User talk:VernoWhitney|talk]]) 14:41, 1 November 2010 (UTC) == Final Class == http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/More_C%2B%2B_Idioms/Final_Class don't know where to write this, but this code does compile fine on VS 2008. My opinion is, that is not necessary, simply make the base dtor private. and thats it :Your comment has been moved to [[Talk:More C++ Idioms/Final Class]]. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 13:46, 2 November 2010 (UTC) == Thank You == Thank you, Adrignola, for all the good work you have done and are doing on the book I submitted. David [[User:David Hockey|David Hockey]] ([[User talk:David Hockey|talk]]) 12:48, 5 November 2010 (UTC) == [[Handbook of Percentage Increase and Percentage Decrease: Formulae Application Approach]] == Please upload my book entitled "Handbook of Percentage Increase and Percentage Decrease: Formula Application Approach" on WikiBooks. Thank you, ChaudharyImranSarwar :This page could be seen as a [[Wikibooks:Glossary#data dump|data dump]], with no formatting applied to it, making it very hard to read. If this is work you've published, you need to provide [[Wikibooks:Glossary#OTRS|permission]] for it under our [[Wikibooks:Copyrights|site license]]. Finally, the page is not what I would call a book. It looks like it has a small enough scope that it could be merged into a more expansive book already present. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 12:21, 6 November 2010 (UTC) == Wikibooks: vs Help: == I believe there has never been a general consensus on what the scope of the Help: namespace should be limited to. I've seen some of your move comments which suggests you believe the Help: namespace should be limited to generic help that applies to only the MediaWiki software. Since there has never been a consensus, many pages have moved back and forth over the years between the Wikibooks: and Help: namespaces. I disagree with your assessment of what the Wikibooks: and Help: namespace should or shouldn't consist of. I think the Wikibooks: namespace should be limited to describing official and proposed processes, guidelines, and policies. I think the Help: namespace should include what people new to Wikibooks, the Wikimedia projects, and to the MediaWiki software need to learn to understand how to use and contribute to Wikibooks to the fullest. I believe attempting to separate help will only serve to confuse users and require them to know to look in multiple locations to find everything they need to know. I doubt most people will know they need to look in multiple locations to find the help they need. I think moving help to the Wikibooks namespace will only mislead people into the false believe that they are expected to do as the pages say, rather than only intended to educate them. I think attempting to differentiating between where Mediawiki, Wikimedia, and Wikibooks begin or end is also futile. There should be a need for only one page to define terms for example. The glossary has a lot of terms that cannot be clearly separated as being Wikibooks, Wikimedia, or MediaWiki specific. A lot of the terms moved to the Wikibooks namespace aren't even specific to specific wiki software. "Admin", "AGF", "archive", "ban", "blanking", "block", etc. to give examples. I hope you can agree that there is a need to be more careful before moving things in and out of the Wikibooks: and Help: namespaces. On the plus side I do agree that a lot of books that use to be in the Help: namespace didn't really belong there and removing their redirects at this point makes sense. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 11:31, 8 November 2010 (UTC) :You are correct in that I was seeing the project namespace as being for pages describing the project. Regarding the misleading people to believe they must do as a page says, I've been very careful to add {{tl|useful}} to any non-policy/guideline pages in the Wikibooks namespace. I've been hesitant to do more, such as importing content and history from Wikipedia help pages, for fear that you'd swoop in and complain that I have muddied the histories and destroyed the local flavor. At one point the help pages were imported from Meta until for some reason people decided against it and now they are outdated and ignored. I see hints that people wanted to use books like [[Using Wikibooks]] entirely for newcomers and get rid of the help namespace as well. With no consensus, I can agree that an assessment of the help and Wikibooks namespaces is needed and a rejuvenation plan developed so that I can know how to proceed in making things better. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 13:24, 8 November 2010 (UTC) ::I've been working on the help namespace on and off again in an attempt to rejuvenate it without any attempt at a consensus in the past because most people don't seem to be interested in the help namespace long term. I've been trying to treat the help namespace as more or less like a single book in the same way as the cookbook is treated as a single book. Part of that process has been trying to get rid of some of the subpages that act as a table of content for some pages in favor of [[Help:Contents]] being the only page for that. I've also been wanting to get rid of some of the duplicate pages, which you've done too and I'm thankful for that. However you have also created duplicate pages in the process by attempting to split related content up, some of which I think I had previous merged together. :: I would love more community interest and involvement in improving the Help namespace and in deciding where to go. However usually it boils down to just one other person at time besides myself who is interested. I'm not interested in importing more help as you guessed, not just because of messing up Wikibooks' history though. A lot of help on other projects are in need of improvement too, and seemed to be more designed by insiders for insiders than for new users who have no background in collaborative editing or editing any wiki. :: I have no problems with people preferring [[Using Wikibooks]] over the help pages and I might of contributed a bit to encouraging the use of that book over the help pages as well. However Using Wikibooks has a narrower focus, than what I think the Help namespace should have. Using Wikibooks is specific to helping people get up to speed on using Wikibooks specifically. I prefer to compare what I think the Help pages should be with how the Cookbook is all encompassing of recipes, techniques, and how to use various cooking equipment, in that the Help pages should be all encompassing in explaining the mediawiki interface, the wikimedia culture, techniques, and everything a new user needs to know in order to know how to participate, and tips incorporated throughout that explain how and when Wikibooks differs from the mainstream. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 14:44, 8 November 2010 (UTC) :: I had notice you add {{tl|useful}} to pages in the Wikibooks namespace. However from discussions I have seen from time to time, I often wonder if people even notice the messages at the top. Lets face it a lot of pages have some kind of template box at the top. If your just reading, like I sometimes do, you completely overlook whats at the top of pages and go for the content. So even if a page is intended to only be useful, people might overlook that fact. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 14:55, 8 November 2010 (UTC) :::FWIW, looking at how [[w:WP:Namespace|Wikipedia arranges its namespaces]], :::* "The Help namespace ... contain[s] information intended to help use Wikipedia or its software. Some of these pages are intended for readers of the encyclopedia; others are intended for editors, whether beginning or advanced." :::* "The ... Wikipedia namespace ... consist[s] of pages with information or discussion about Wikipedia." :::--[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 19:02, 8 November 2010 (UTC) ::::In avoiding duplication/splitting, we could probably move [[Help:Glossary|Wikibooks:Glossary]] over the contents of [[Help:Glossary]] since the former has everything contained in the latter. It's certainly confusing what should be where, but pages like [[Help:Editing#Redirecting|Redirect]] and [[Help:Editing#Redirecting|Wikibooks:Redirect]], [[Help:Editing#Minor edit|Help:Minor edit]] and [[Help:Editing#Minor edit|Wikibooks:Minor edits]], and [[Help:Categories]] and [[Help:Categories|Wikibooks:Categories]] for me provide the best example of how a distinction could be made. For those pages, the help namespace page describes the "what" and "how" and the project namespace page provides the "when" and "where". &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 19:53, 8 November 2010 (UTC) ::::: I support moving Wikibooks:Glossary over Help:Glossary. I think Wikibooks:Redirect should be deleted because it outdated at best and at worse it isn't anywhere close to what we actually do and what Wikibooks policy says to do. Looking at the edit history suggests others thought it was already outdated back in 2005. I'd merge both Minor edits pages and leave that in the Help namespace. I'd leave the two Category pages alone, because the one in the Wikibooks namespace actually was intended to define when and where categories should be used on Wikibooks in the form of a proposed policy. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 22:26, 8 November 2010 (UTC) :::: I think how Wikipedia arranges its namespace is what I have in mind, depending on what is meant by information. Policies, processes, guidelines, and community functions are the type of pages I have in mind when I read pages with information. Yes I meant to include community discussions too in what goes in the Wikibooks namespace. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 22:26, 8 November 2010 (UTC) == [[First Aid/Mental Health Emergency]] == Thanks, re it's Orphan status, I wasn't sure where to link it in the Book structure... [[User:Sfan00 IMG|Sfan00 IMG]] ([[User talk:Sfan00 IMG|talk]]) 17:53, 8 November 2010 (UTC) :There are several templates on the book's main page that you can edit to place a link to the page. I've added a link to it in [[Template:FAFooter10]]. You should update the status as it is expanded. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 20:16, 10 November 2010 (UTC) == [[Data Mining Algorithms In R]] Help == I am writing an article about R packages that are related to data mining. I observed that you are changing the original path that I created. Can you explain how can I move all the content I wrote in old path to the new path you created without writing everything again?? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/150.164.9.176|150.164.9.176]] ([[User talk:150.164.9.176|talk]]) 19:46, 10 November 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP2 --> :I believe I moved some pages to comply with [[Wikibooks:Naming policy]] some time ago. Since you are not logged in with an account that is four days old you have to request assistance in moving pages. If you can detail for me how you would like things structured I can move one or even a group of pages all at once to match. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 20:10, 10 November 2010 (UTC) == Delete subpages == Try adding <code>importScript("User:Darklama/subpages.js‎‎");</code> to your user skin and let me know if it works for you or not, or if you have any problems when using it. Its my attempt to replace the gadget you deleted whereby it lists the subpages of a page below the deletion form. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 01:31, 13 November 2010 (UTC) :I appreciate the effort, but it does not appear to be working for me. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 01:36, 13 November 2010 (UTC) :: You may have to do a hard reload or purge your browser cache before any changes to your vector.js page are seen. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 01:39, 13 November 2010 (UTC) :::After a complete clear of my history and cache, logging out and logging back in, it still does not work for me in Firefox. In Internet Explorer, it doesn't show anything extra initially when I visit a deletion page for a page with subpages. If I then refresh the deletion page, I get a list of subpages. If I go back and then click the deletion link again, the subpages are not shown again, until I refresh. Very odd, but there you go. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 01:55, 13 November 2010 (UTC) :::: I hadn't noticed that until you mentioned it. I've made a change which hopefully delays the generation of subpages until after the page has fully loaded. Seems to work for me in Firefox, but than it was working for me in Firefox when I refreshed the deletion page before. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 02:29, 13 November 2010 (UTC) :::::I found the cause of the problem. The gadget "warn using Twinkle" defined at [[MediaWiki:Gadget-twinklewarn.js]] is conflicting somehow and causing the subpages to not appear. If I disable the gadget the subpages appear immediately, even in Firefox. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 03:03, 13 November 2010 (UTC) :::::: Interesting. I wonder how long it will take for one of us to figure out why that Gadget is conflicting. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 03:35, 13 November 2010 (UTC) :::::::If it's a contest, you will win since you're able to write JavaScript from scratch. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 04:43, 13 November 2010 (UTC) :::::::: Not a contest. Well looks like the problem might be because twinkle modifies the standard Array type which isn't playing nice with others. Should work now whether you have the twinkle gadget enabled or not now. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 11:41, 13 November 2010 (UTC) {{outdent|::::::::}} It does indeed work now. Great job! Seems like it ought to be part of the site JavaScript even since it's so unobtrusive. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 13:30, 13 November 2010 (UTC) : Well the idea was to eventually make it a Gadget to replace the one you deleted. BTW Today I thought of an idea for a new gadget though I might want to make it site-wide for even unregistered users to use. I was thinking of listing books on pages in the Subject namespace only and instead adding a little icon next to each book indicating whether it is a featured book (like a star), the development status icon, and whether the book has a print version (print icon), etc. What do you think? --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 14:28, 13 November 2010 (UTC) ::Good news then since I made your code into a replacement gadget. As for your gadget idea, to be honest, I didn't think such a thing would be possible with JavaScript. That would be nice since it would remove the ability of authors to try to game the system and get better advertising for a book on the right-hand side just by creating a print version/PDF version. It would also allow the books to be alphabetically ordered for the subject as a whole rather than just for each development group (I won't deny the current template is a hack). But I'm very incredulous that it can be done. I hope you can prove me wrong. :) &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 14:34, 13 November 2010 (UTC) ::: [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/api.php?format=jsonfm&action=query&prop=categories&clshow=hidden&cllimit=500&&clcategories=Category:Freshly+started+books|Category:Partly+developed+books|Category:Half-finished+books|Category:Books+nearing+completion|Category:Completed+books|Category:Featured+books|Category:Books+with+print+version|Category:Books+with+PDF+version&titles=FOSS+Licensing|Using+Firefox|Blender%203D:+Noob+to+Pro Key to doing it]. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 15:24, 13 November 2010 (UTC) == [[Sharpe's Devil]] == I've started a new wiki on fiction and I remembered about this book. I thought I could certainly use the page. Would it be OK if you undelete it so that I can import it, then you can redelete it later, or undelete it, export it, and send the file to me, then redelete it? (I prefer the latter. :P) Thanks. [[::User:Kayau|Kayau]] {{toolbar|separator=dot |[[::User talk:Kayau|talk]] |[[::Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] |[[::Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] |[{{fullurl::Special:Log|user={{urlencode:Kayau}}}} <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">logs</span>] |[http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name{{=}}{{urlencode:Kayau}}&lang{{=}}en&wiki{{=}}wikibooks <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">count</span>] }} 15:01, 13 November 2010 (UTC) :[[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] '''Done'''. Exported it via [[Special:Export]] and sent it to you. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 15:14, 13 November 2010 (UTC) ::Thanks! [[::User:Kayau|Kayau]] {{toolbar|separator=dot |[[::User talk:Kayau|talk]] |[[::Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] |[[::Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] |[{{fullurl::Special:Log|user={{urlencode:Kayau}}}} <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">logs</span>] |[http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name{{=}}{{urlencode:Kayau}}&lang{{=}}en&wiki{{=}}wikibooks <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">count</span>] }} 01:23, 14 November 2010 (UTC) == Again Help needed == hi, It is not working this code in <nowiki>{{int:dot-separator}}</nowiki> si.wb output will be like '''<dot-separator>'''. it should {{int:dot-separator}}. Why & how to fix this? [[User:බිඟුවා|බිඟුවා]] ([[User talk:බිඟුවා|talk]]) 07:13, 18 November 2010 (UTC) :Yep. Now it is working. :) Thanx [[User:බිඟුවා|බිඟුවා]] ([[User talk:බිඟුවා|talk]]) 02:51, 19 November 2010 (UTC) == Subjects/books == Well I have managed to use javascript to place icons next to books listed. You can see it in action if you add: <pre> importStylesheet("User:Darklama/vector.css"); importScript("User:Darklama/subjects.js"); </pre> to your skin and than goto [[User:Darklama/Subject]]. Don't forget to purge your browser cache. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 23:01, 18 November 2010 (UTC) :The CSS/JS don't work through the import. Substituting your code, I got it to work. I don't really care for the changing of the book title colors or sizes as it reminds me of MySpace. Icons alone would be decent; maybe fading of the 0% ones would be okay as well. Is it possible to get it to work for current subject pages too? &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 00:16, 19 November 2010 (UTC) :: I noticed you tried to add importStylesheet() to your skin's css file. Both should of been added to your js skin file. If id="booklinks" were added to some html element within {{tl|subject page}} than yes it would work for current subject pages too. I was going for something that looked a bit like a [http://laikaspoetnik.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/wordl-4-cat-gewogen-kenyan-coffee-rounder-edge-horizontal-blue-sugar-a-little-variance.png tag cloud] with the styling, but haven't quiet pulled it off, I kinda guessed the current styling would be considered ugly since I thought it did too. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 00:35, 19 November 2010 (UTC) :::Added id="booklinks" to {{tl|subject page}} and it works. We should probably not fade out titles because that could be bad for people with vision impairment. At the least you can now view the effects on another type of page. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 01:09, 19 November 2010 (UTC) :::: I've fixed a problem based on an assumption I made that doesn't hold true when viewing the current layout of subject pages. I also changed the styling so its not all over the place. I would like to turn this proof of concept into an extension at some point, so javascript isn't required to see this and so it will be more efficient, if people like this enhancement. However I think this could probably benefit from community involvement and feedback first. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 16:21, 19 November 2010 (UTC) == "+ja"? == {{user|wikimi-dhiann}} has been adding templates to pages all through WB containing ja:Wikibooks and some Kanji characters. Are you aware of this, and do you have any idea what it's doing? It doesn't seem to have any visible effect... [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 18:04, 19 November 2010 (UTC) :Well, I know they aren't a common sight here, but that user is adding interwikis pointing to pages at Japanese Wikibooks that are similar in nature to the ones we have here. It adds a link to the "in other languages" section of the navigation at left, which might be collapsed for you. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 18:35, 19 November 2010 (UTC) ::Ah. So it does. Thank you for the explanation. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 22:42, 19 November 2010 (UTC) == What do you think about [[EDL_325_Instructional_Technology]]? == Do you think this book is about anything? It just looks like some kind of class sandbox to me. [[User:Recent Runes|Recent Runes]] ([[User talk:Recent Runes|talk]]) 19:23, 19 November 2010 (UTC) :It's not about anything. It is indeed a sandbox and I planned to delete it, if not now, at least by the time it looks like the classes are done working on the three books corresponding to the three teams listed on that page ([[Integrating Technology In K12]], [[Technology Integration In K12 Education]], and [[Tidbits in Tech: Integration in Education]]). I'm glad people at universities are making use of Wikibooks but I'm sad that nobody's really interfacing with the community. You might have noticed the [[Lentis]] and [[Human Sexuality and Gender]] books created from scratch recently and the additions to [[Structural Biochemistry]]. Those were all class projects from what I have seen (but nobody made told us ahead of time to allow us to do any facilitating). &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 19:39, 19 November 2010 (UTC) ::I guess the tutors are often pushed for time. I remember being thanked once for pointing out our guidelines, but otherwise most of them do seem a bit standoffish. [[User:Recent Runes|Recent Runes]] ([[User talk:Recent Runes|talk]]) 20:05, 19 November 2010 (UTC) == A small irony == I thought you might notice the irony in the following situation that I find myself in. Due to a last minute scheduling change it looks like I will be teaching Linear Algebra in the winter. But because the change is last minute I don't get much say over which textbook is used as they are being bought by the campus book store now. At the very least I can still refer to our book as a resource. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub]][[Special:Contributions/Thenub314|314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 02:57, 24 November 2010 (UTC) : So, if you did have a say, would you be able to make a textbook here actual course material, with the bookstore purchasing copies of a collection from PediaPress? That would be an interesting situation and would warrant promoting to the Foundation as an important event. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 03:02, 24 November 2010 (UTC) ::Most probably, but I haven't seen the syllabus they would like me to cover yet. If they were looking for a more applied course, it would definitely not be the book. But as long as there was some reason it didn't fit then I would have used it. But I probably wouldn't have gone through pedia press. Most book stores have facilities for printing and spiral binding books for themselves if they are able to. This would have seemed the more sensible solution to me. For the printing I probably would have used Hefferon's original PDF. As it stands I will just include the link in my syllabus pointing out the students can find the book here. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub]][[Special:Contributions/Thenub314|314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 01:43, 28 November 2010 (UTC)epl fwvtvmqhiwgj2kgm33y0qp9cq3i44w3 3 245320 4654226 2015274 2026-07-12T18:09:31Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. (via JWB) 4654226 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talk archive}} == Wikibooks policies and guidelines template == I noticed that in the style conventions the items listed aren't policies or guidelines. Not extremely important to users that known the status and distinctions but can be confusing to unaware Wikibookians. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 23:09, 4 December 2010 (UTC) :Yes, and some of the items in the template are still proposals but for the initial contents I tried to limit it to more of the de facto guidelines. The style conventions could very well be guidelines and others could be either approved or rejected were we to kick it into gear and decide after (how many years?) what the state of things are. One of my ulterior goals with the template is to try to foster greater efforts in getting things sorted. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 23:13, 4 December 2010 (UTC) ::Can't add to the template the use an asterisk "*" near texts that need community approval, and request WIkibookians to participate in the discussion ? (or something like that, color/font change) --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 23:18, 4 December 2010 (UTC) :::That's a good idea. I made some changes. See what you think. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 23:24, 4 December 2010 (UTC) ::::That makes it clearer. Thanks. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 23:29, 4 December 2010 (UTC) == Thanks again! == I don't do much blocking and so I forgot to add the templates to those spammers. To my defense it was really quite late in my timezone :). [[User:Thenub314|Thenub]][[Special:Contributions/Thenub314|314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 13:42, 6 December 2010 (UTC) :I'm also copying the user agents, spammed domains, and CU information to the mailing list, so that the accounts can be globally locked, the domains blacklisted, and CUs at other wikis can check for spammer accounts. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 13:49, 6 December 2010 (UTC) == Links to moved pages. == I have no problem with deleting redirects for moved pages. However I think links for moved pages should be updated rather than striken from discussions to preserve the context of discussions as best we can, so people can continue to follow links to pages that contributors thought was relevant to the discussion. Whenever I fix links I try to use a format such as <nowiki>[[new page|old link text]]</nowiki> as a way to make the change as subtle as possible. I created {{tl|bad link}} on the advice given to me for the cases where pages are deleted and there are no good ways to preserve context. Seeing others make use of the template gives me hope that other people see the merit in what I do. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 14:55, 6 December 2010 (UTC) :I do follow the same thought. But the instances where ''Wikibooks:Revision review'' were striken were already next to ''Help:Revision review'' in places comparing the two's previously different scopes in the same sentence. Since they would have both gone to the same page it didn't make sense to have the link twice to the same destination in the same sentence. In situations where it was just ''Wikibooks:Revision review'' I did indeed correct the link. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 14:57, 6 December 2010 (UTC) : In [{{fullurl:Wikibooks:Reading room/Proposals/2010/July|curid=236786&diff=1992503&oldid=1915430}} Wikibooks:Reading room/Proposals/2010/July] the wikibooks links striken was next to a wikibooks talk page link rather than the help page for example. Maybe you misread? I noticed this in a few places. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 15:07, 6 December 2010 (UTC) ::The errors have been corrected. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 16:03, 6 December 2010 (UTC) == Thanks for name correction == Thanks for fixing the name of the article. I actually know better, but I forgot. A spend a lot of time at Wikipedia and at Wikisource, where the conventions are different. -[[User:Arch dude|Arch dude]] ([[User talk:Arch dude|talk]]) 10:17, 9 December 2010 (UTC) == Will anyone see this? == I added a suggestion at [[Talk:Blender 3D: Noob to Pro/Team]]. Is that the appropriate place? Is this project active enough that others will care, or should I just implement it on my own on new pages? -[[User:Arch dude|Arch dude]] ([[User talk:Arch dude|talk]]) 23:52, 10 December 2010 (UTC) : [[Talk:Blender 3D: Noob to Pro]] might get more attention, as the main talk page of a book is typically used to talk about the whole book. Also [[Special:RecentChangesLinked/Category:Blender 3D: Noob to Pro]] suggests there is quiet a bit of activity. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 00:05, 11 December 2010 (UTC) ::Thanks! -[[User:Arch dude|Arch dude]] ([[User talk:Arch dude|talk]]) 17:20, 11 December 2010 (UTC) == Design Patterns == [[w:Special:Contributions/BenFrantzDale|BenFrantzDale]] has been removing examples from WP with moved to Wikibooks as the reason in their edit summaries. My best guess as to where to look for what pages might need to be imported for the Design Patterns book. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 15:25, 16 December 2010 (UTC) :I've left a note on their talk page and will see if I can match up removals to additions. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 15:31, 16 December 2010 (UTC) == [[Template:Dutch/Translation]] == Hi Adrignola I noticed your name in the history of the above template. It used to provide dropdown panels so that you could see an exercise before looking at the solution. The functionality is somehow gone and I do not know why. I had used it quite a bit on the [[Dutch]] language course to insert practice material without interrupting to main story. All that is gone now. Any ideas? [[User:Jcwf|Jcwf]] ([[User talk:Jcwf|talk]]) 23:53, 17 December 2010 (UTC) :Some back-end code on the site was changed and while some templates were updated to maintain their functionality, it looks like that one was missed. I don't know how many others there are since the code doesn't involve calling a template. I actually did not make any edits to that template. I simply [[WB:REVIEW|reviewed]] an edit made by another. I have, however, updated that template to work with the new code.&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 00:02, 18 December 2010 (UTC) Thanks! [[User:Jcwf|Jcwf]] ([[User talk:Jcwf|talk]]) 00:35, 18 December 2010 (UTC) == Category redirects == I only just noticed you'd undone my eradication of the CAT:RFU redirect. Hard redirects from categories should never, ever be used because they "don't work" &mdash; not in the sense that you won't be redirected automatically if you go there, but in the much worse sense that you ''will'' be redirected automatically if you go there, while pages added to the "redirecting" category will belong to that rather than the target of the redirection. Over on Wikinews, I once came across a category redirect that had one article belonging to it, that had been languishing there for ''years'' because, of course, the redirect always whisked users away to the target so they'd never notice that there was an article lost in the redirect (and therefore not properly categorized in the target). If I were remotely Bugzilla-savvy I might file a request to make the redirect magic word '''not work''' in category space, to prevent this accident waiting to happen (or vote for such a request, if there already is one). To test-and-demonstrate the principle, as I write this, [[WB:Sandbox]] is in [[:Category:RFU]]. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 16:26, 18 December 2010 (UTC) : Category redirects of this type are intended to be used as shortcuts, not for categorizing. The Wikibooks community supported the creation of the CAT shortcut. Like files I think there is work to make category redirects work by having pages show up in the target category, and so the move functionality can be enabled for categories. I much rather see you work on or vote for that functionality than disabling category redirects. Category redirects are only a problem right now when people try to use a redirected category to categorize pages, instead of just a navigational aid. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 18:29, 18 December 2010 (UTC) :: The reason I wouldn't try to lobby to fix what happens when a page is categorized into a redirect is that I believe that lobbying would be a complete waste of time, that is, that the devs didn't set that up because it would be expensive and there's absolutely no way they would change it. :: As I recall, the community, including me, voted for the CAT namespace short'''hand''' (if that's what you mean), but that shorthand has nothing to do with the begging-for-an-accident practice of putting redirects in category pages. It's exactly because category redirects are not meant to be populated that they should not be created in the first place: once the category exists, it's ''appallingly'' easy to accidentally put something in it (it produces a blue link, and when you click on that blue link it takes you to the right place) and appallingly easy to not notice the problem, later. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 19:25, 18 December 2010 (UTC) ::: Yes I mean the CAT namespace shorthand (or namespace alias as they are called in the software). The aliases work by utilizing the existing namespaces. A page named Wikibooks:RFC has to exist in order for WB:RFC to work too. WB:<what> just expands to Wikibooks:<what>. The same is true for the CAT shorthand. Category:RFC must exist in order for CAT:RFC to work. So in a way the shorthand is connected with the potential for redirects to be an accident waiting to happen, because Category:RFC must exist and point somewhere for CAT:RFC to work. Without Category:RFC has a redirect, people would have to use CAT:Requests_for_deletion which defeats the purpose of having shortcuts to longer names. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 20:18, 18 December 2010 (UTC) ::::An interesting conversation being had here. The comments Pi zero makes I can understand, but that category is populated by a template and should not have anything categorized manually. I've also seen the way things are done elsewhere, where they don't use a redirect for the same reasons Pi zero states, but then they place a template tag on the page noting the category that should be used instead. But in that situation you ''still'' have a category that appears as a blue link to a user and we don't have the luxury of bots handling any recategorization in those cases if they have that set up. The real reason I undid the shortcut removal on the category was because the shortcut template was fixed by a person to allow it to work without categorizing the category it was placed on. I can only say that I thought everyone was well aware that CAT would be used like WB was before we made it an official alias. Otherwise, as Darklama points out, it defeats the purpose of the alias. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 20:30, 18 December 2010 (UTC) ::::: I've noticed the sporadic practice of soft redirects from categories. As one might guess from the above, I consider that somewhat less bad than a hard redirect, but I'd rather have no page there at all, so it'd show as a red link and HotCat would shy away from it. Even better, on top of that, would be if the page also has a deletion log entry that says what other category to use instead. ::::: It's true of course that the category involved here ''should'' not have anything categorized manually. But keep in mind, my objection is about preventing and detecting things that happen even though they shouldn't. ::::: When we voted in the namespace shorthands, I remember thinking the CAT shorthand wasn't very useful since redirects don't work in category space... but I invested both my thinking and my lobbying to nix the idea of multiple shorthands per namespace (on which, you'll recall, I succeeded). Thinking it through now, for purposes of shortcuts we'd be better off if we hadn't introduced shorthand CAT &mdash; because if only CAT were ''not'' shorthand for category space, we could have hard redirects from '''mainspace''' pages starting with CAT: (such as CAT:RFU), and those shortcuts could never have stuff accidentally categorized in them because they themselves wouldn't even be categories. ::::: Other than a hard redirect from a category (which I abhor), or a soft redirect from a category (which I dislike), I see two other approaches we could take. :::::* We ''could'', at least in theory, de-shorthand the CAT prefix, so that as I mentioned above we could have hard redirects like CAT:RFU in mainspace. Unfortunately, anywhere someone has used CAT: as a shorthand for an actual category, it would break &mdash; which is (somewhat ironically) the very difficulty I described when campaigning against multiple shorthands per namespace. :::::* Alternatively, we could just put these redirects in a different namespace. Project space seems a natural choice. Unfortunately, in this case the obvious name is already taken ({{Plain link|{{fullurl:WB:RFU|redirect=no}}|WB:RFU}}; though possibly the moral should be that this redirect should use a different name than that one). But if we really mean the redirect to not be a functioning category, there's a certain logic to not putting it in category space. :::::--[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 20:07, 19 December 2010 (UTC) ::::::We could look and see whether any pages link to the redirected category. There are not too many of them and removing the alias would be very low-impact. But we'd have to have another consensus discussion for the developers to consider any requests and I see less and less community participation in such discussions. However, that's the only outcome I can envision that properly addresses the concerns. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 23:13, 19 December 2010 (UTC) == Odd template change? == I note that in the [[Muggles' Guide to Harry Potter/Books/Chamber of Secrets/Chapter 3|chapter pages for the Muggles' Guide]] there has been a change to the page layout. Yesterday the next chapter / prev chapter links were in the top right corner, today they are in the top left. Apparently the addition of the "From Wikibooks, open books for an open world" tagline text in the upper left has bunged up the template. I don't know enough about the way WB templates work to correct this; could I humbly request that you take a gander at it when you get the chance? [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 16:35, 21 December 2010 (UTC) : I see it too. Removing the tagline did not fix it. I believe [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3AVector.css&action=historysubmit&diff=2006631&oldid=1998763 this edit] caused this to happen, but I'm not sure of the implementation needed for "skin-independent" CSS for the topnav. Will have to investigate further. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 18:24, 21 December 2010 (UTC) :Based off an existing rule in [[MediaWiki:Common.css/top.css]], I added a rule that looks to be working if you clear your cache. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 23:52, 21 December 2010 (UTC) ::Sorry about the long time to reply... a very odd day today. Yes, that fix seems to have sorted it. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 08:13, 22 December 2010 (UTC) ::: I'm glad to hear that, as I too had made some changes. Hopefully both Jomegat's and your web browser rendering problems are now resolved, and these changes don't cause further problems for anyone else. I had planned to possibly hide the links back to the parent pages when top navigation is present and possible center the top navigation instead, so that a lot of other templates could also take advantage of top navigation too, but had forgotten about it until the issue with the lock icon obscuring the login link came up. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 13:25, 22 December 2010 (UTC) == Thanks == Thanks for the info on the license, I hadn't found it... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 23:33, 21 December 2010 (UTC) == Goliath Spider == Thanks for replacing the image. I was just getting ready to do that myself when I saw that you had beat me to the punch with the same image I had selected. I hope you have a nice Christmas. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 13:30, 22 December 2010 (UTC) :Great minds think alike. Thanks! &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 13:31, 22 December 2010 (UTC) == Another broken template... == Don't know if you can help, but I note that if I select Differences, or compare two revisions on a History page, I no longer get the Review This Version radio buttons. I only have the chance to re-review if I select Read. This seems to have started this morning... [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 21:57, 23 December 2010 (UTC) : I still see the review form when viewing an old revision. I can't say I've ever noticed it when viewing the differences between two pages. Are you sure your looking in the correct place? --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 22:59, 23 December 2010 (UTC) ::I went to the diff link and ended up [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Muggles%27_Guide_to_Harry_Potter/Characters/Black_Family&diff=next&oldid=2007978 here] -- I can still see the diffs, but I cannot see the Review This Revision buttons. If I go to the Read tab, the "Re-review this revision" buttons are right down at the bottom, below the category. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 23:14, 23 December 2010 (UTC) ::: I've never seen a review this revision form when viewing diffs. If you click the "Revision as of" or "Current revision as of" link, you will see a specific revision and the form for reviewing or re-reviewing that revision is at the bottom. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 23:28, 23 December 2010 (UTC) ::::Curious, because I remember seeing it, and using it, though I can't recall whether it was right above or right below the diffs, up until this morning... [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 23:43, 23 December 2010 (UTC) :::::Well, if you read the documentation created for the reviewing system at [[WB:REVIEW]], the last thumbnail shows [[:File:Diff reviewing toolbar.png]], which is only seen when you click a "review" or "pending changes" link on recent changes or the page itself, respectively. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 01:19, 24 December 2010 (UTC) ::::::Exactly... and now, when looking at a diff, I no longer see that. The link I posted above is exactly the sort of diff described at the thumbnail, and one where I saw that "review this revision" yesterday, and the review toolbar is no longer present. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 01:41, 24 December 2010 (UTC) :::::::You won't see the bar once the pending changes are reviewed, though. Try any of the "review" links at [[Special:PendingChanges]] and let me know if the bar still doesn't appear. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 01:46, 24 December 2010 (UTC) ::::::::Okay... allow me to rephrase. The revision toolbar shows up if a revision is unchecked. It does not show up if a revision has been automatically checked. The reason I'm seeing this is because I'm chasing after PNW Raven, who leaves her edits auto-checked rather than approving them; generally, I'll do a diff to see her changes and confirm a lack of typos, then re-review to approve and keep the pages we're actually happy with at the Good quality level. Used to be I could look at what she had done, and then review on the same page. Now I have to check what she's done, pop into the Read page, scroll down to the bottom and re-review there. One extra annoying step... [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 01:50, 24 December 2010 (UTC) {{outdent|::::::::}}Well, while I'm in the same boat as Darklama, I can't say that the process you use is one I've ever engaged in. I do notice that categories no longer appear at the bottom of a page when I'm looking at the pending changes diff now. That recent update they did also removed the ability to prioritize higher-rated revisions for pages that show the reviewed version by default. Looks like the problems you're having are another result. I don't know that I can do anything to resolve this, but I definitely share your frustrations with changes being made without consultation to a system extensively used by Wikibooks and German Wikipedia in order to placate those at English Wikipedia who felt it just wasn't good enough for them. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 02:01, 24 December 2010 (UTC) I guess I should probably have mentioned there are review preferences that may be related to this. I have seen diffs after reviewing a revision and a diff link for pages with revisions that have not yet been reviewed, when I have had those options enabled. However like I said I've never seen a review form on a normal diff page itself before. The form being available from a normal diff could be ambiguous as to which revision is to be reviewed, not to mention it could mean review both or what the affect should be on any intermediate revisions not shown. I must say I'm a bit skeptical that it ever was the case because of that problem and since I've never seen it for myself, which is why I asked you before if you were sure you were looking in the correct place for the review form. I guess I should also mention that I think they recently tried to integrate "pending changes'" diff more with mediawiki's default diff, so the distinction between mediawiki's diff and "pending changes'" diff that I had pictured in my mind may be irrelevant now. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 12:20, 24 December 2010 (UTC) :Plenty of clarity deficiency to go around, I guess... I will say that I never had any problem guessing which revision I was reviewing, it was always the more recent of the two in view, same as the text following is always the more recent of the two. Perhaps my use is a little specialized, that of an actual editor rather than author/editor. But it's because of that use that I was aware of the existence of the revision review on a normal diff page; I knew it was there because I used it heavily, and now it's gone. But if it's a mediawiki decision, there's little we as a minor project can do about it... [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 16:07, 24 December 2010 (UTC) :: Right. As pointed out seems to still be there when a revision has not been previously checked at all. I guess Wikipedians felt that people who have their edits auto checked should be trusted to know what they are doing or that a revision needing to be rechecked is a rare case. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 16:47, 24 December 2010 (UTC) == Incubation == I was first interested in incubation because of an idea that has evolved into [http://www.nycwiki.org NYCwiki]. That project actually has a good home now. But I have seen many interesting proposals on meta and foundation-l that have not been able to find any home, and where I think a solution with Wikibooks could be beneficial to all.--[[User:Pharos|Pharos]] ([[User talk:Pharos|talk]]) 18:15, 21 December 2010 (UTC) :FYI, I've started a very brief draft here: [[Wikibooks:Incubator]].--[[User:Pharos|Pharos]] ([[User talk:Pharos|talk]]) 21:35, 27 December 2010 (UTC) == Feedback Needed == You have been watching and reviewing my contribution in "Technical Analysis". I need your feedback on how do I improve quality my contributions. ([[User:Yndesai|Yndesai]] ([[User talk:Yndesai|talk]]) 13:22, 29 December 2010 (UTC)) :My reviewing has simply been anti-vandalism patrol, really, but I'll note what appears to me to be the best area for improvement. You will want to consider splitting the single [[Technical Analysis]] page up into subpages. [[Using Wikibooks/How To Structure A Wikibook]] can provide detailed information on this. At that point it truly becomes a ''book'', rather than a ''page''. If you have questions, feel free to ask. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 19:10, 29 December 2010 (UTC) 1qmcgdxpssp38917psxipd7n8e8mfck 0 249658 4654288 4522611 2026-07-13T08:56:04Z WereSpielChequers 248949 typo 4654288 wikitext text/x-wiki ===The imperative mood=== When issuing a command, such as in the sentence 'eat your food!' or 'write me a story!' the word order in Gaelic is similar to the word order in English. Some examples would be: *ith do bhiadh! - :eat your food! :ith! - eat!; do - your, thy; bhiadh - food; *&ograve;l am bainne! :drink the milk! :&ograve;l! - drink!; am - the; bainne - milk; *sgr&igrave;obh sin! :write that! :sgr&igrave;obh! - write!; sin - that; *sgr&igrave;obh sgeul! :write a story! :sgr&igrave;obh! - write!; sgeul - a story; *sgr&igrave;obh mi sgeul! :write me a story! :sgr&igrave;obh! - write; mi - me; sgeul - a story; ===Articles=== In Gaelic, the definite article (i.e. the word for 'the') can take the form an, am, nan, a' or na. For example: *an leabhar :the book :an - the; leabhar - book; *am bainne :the milk :am - the; bainne - milk; *na lamhan :the hands :na - the; lamhan - hands; *a' chaileag :the girl :a' - the; caileag - girl; The word 'an' is used for many singular nouns unless they begin with the letters 'b', 'm' or 'p', in which case the word 'am' is often used. The word 'na' tends to be used in the plural but note that 'plural' in Gaelic means three or more. There is no indefinite article (i.e. there is no word for 'a') either in the singular or in the plural. For example 'taigh' can mean 'house' or 'a house'. This is not a problem, really, when we consider that in English the indefinite article is omitted in the plural without really causing any confusion. For example 'houses' is the plural of 'house' or 'a house'. Here are some examples: *tha cathair anns an se&ograve;mar :there is a chair in the room :tha - is; cathair - a chair; anns an - in the; se&ograve;mar - room; *tha leabhar aig Iain :John has a book, John is in possession of a book :tha - is; leabhar - a book; aig - at; Iain - John; ===Adjectives=== Adjectives usually come after nouns. For instance 'leabhar m&ograve;r' means 'large book' or 'a large book' (leabhar - book; m&ograve;r - large). Where a word is, for grammatical purposes, feminine, the adjective is modified at the beginning, often by placing an 'h' after the first letter of the adjective. For instance: *balach m&ograve;r :a big boy :balach - boy; m&ograve;r - big; *nighean mh&ograve;r :a big girl :nighean - girl; mh&ograve;r - big; This addition of the letter 'h' immediately after the first letter tends to happen to adjectives beginning with the letters 'b', 'c', 'd', 'f', 'g', 'm', 'p', 's' or 't' ===The verb 'to be'=== *tha Seumas sg&igrave;th :James is tired (i.e. present tense) *bha Seumas sg&igrave;th :James was tired (i.e. past tense) *bidh Seumas sg&igrave;th :James will be tired (i.e. future tense) *chan eil Seumas sg&igrave;th :James is not tired (i.e. present tense, negative) *cha robh Seumas sg&igrave;th :James was not tired (i.e. past tense, negative) *cha bhi Seumas sg&igrave;th :James will not be tired (i.e. future tense, negative) *am bheil Seumas sg&igrave;th? :is James tired? (i.e. present tense, question) *an robh Seumas sg&igrave;th? :was James tired? (i.e. past tense, question) *am bidh Seumas sg&igrave;th? :will James be tired? (i.e. future tense, question) *nach eil Seumas sg&igrave;th? :is James not tired? (i.e. present tense, negative question) *nach robh Seumas sg&igrave;th? :was James not tired? (i.e. past tense, negative question) *nach bi Seumas sg&igrave;th? :will James not be tired? (i.e. future tense, negative question) *tha Seumas a' cluich :James is playing (i.e. present tense) *bha Seumas a' cluich :James was playing (i.e. past tense) *bidh Seumas a' cluich :James will be playing (i.e. future tense) *Is e Seumas an lighiche :It is James that is the physician (i.e. present tense) *B' e Seumas an lighiche :It is James that was the physician (i.e. past tense) ===Expressing 'to have'=== There is no actual verb which translates as 'to have'. To say that a person has something we say that the something is 'at' the person. For instance, to say that John has a cup we say literally that 'a cup is at John'. For example *tha cupan aig Iain :John has a cup (literally 'a cup is at John') *tha taigh aig Anna :Anne has a house (literally 'a house is at Anne') *chuir Anna sios an cupan aig Iain :Anna put down the cup belonging to Iain (literally 'Anna put down the cup at Iain') *cha robh cupan aig Iain :Iain did not have a cup (literally 'a cup was not at Iain') ===Expressing 'to own'=== There is no actual verb which translates as 'to own'. To say that a person owns something we say that the something is 'with' the person. For instance, to say that John owns a house we say literally that 'a house is with John'. For example *tha taigh le Iain :John owns a house (literally 'a house is with John') *tha ball-coise le Anna :Anne owns a football (literally 'a football is with Anne') ===Forming the present, past and future tense in regular verbs=== The verb "cuir" is an example of a regular verb. The word "cuir" is the verb in the imperative mood, so "cuir!" means "put!". "cuir sios sin!" means "put that down!" ("sios" = "down", "sin" = "that"). To form the present tense we might say "tha X a' cuir" which literally means "X is a-putting" ("tha" = "is", "a' cuir" = "putting" or "a-putting"). To form the past tense (for verbs starting with "c" or "b", "d", "f", "m, "p", "s" or "t") we add the letter "h" after the first letter. To form the future tense we add "idh" or "aidh" to the end of the word. Here are some examples:- *tha Anna a' cur bainne anns a' chopan :Anna is putting milk in the cup *chuir Anna bainne anns a' chopan :Anna put (did put) milk in the cup *cuiridh Anna bainne anns a' chopan :Anna will put milk in the cup ===Irregular verbs=== {{BookCat}} o6vpey3oyxcsit3cj4vypm4rgj3l2bt 3 250968 4654258 2940316 2026-07-12T18:34:11Z Codename Noreste 3441010 Replacing deprecated tags. 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After years of further experimentation and development postage meters were finally approved for use by the general public in 1920. Experimentation continued long after this date as the machines continued to be improved and perfected. All this activity and fermentation makes the U.S. one of the most interesting and complex countries to collect for postage meter stamps. * This online edition of ''The United States Postage Meter Stamp Catalog'' is an expansion and update of the paper edition, written and published by Joel Hawkins and Rick Stambaugh in 1994 and updated previously in 2001. It uses a new, more logical, decimal system for assigning Type numbers. Type numbers that are different from the earlier edition show the previous designation as follows: <span style="font-size:x-small; color:blue;">''Type '''XXX''' in 2001 edition''</span> *<div style="color: red;"> Comments, suggested changes, corrections, and additions to the catalog are encouraged. Email <span style="color:blue;"> "''' Alan Knutson'''":</span><span style="color:red;"> boris1951@charter.net</span></div> </div> ---- <span style="font-size:medium; color:teal;"><u>'''''Latest changes:'''''</u></span> {| |- |style="width:50%; color: teal;"| *12 Jul: {{space|3.5}} Type "'''PC-F1.2'''"usage added (Thank you Otto B!) *8 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C9.3 '''" usage added (Thank you Otto B!) *8 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C9.2 '''" usage added (Thank you Otto B!) *8 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C2.3.3. '''" changed to "'''PC-C9.5.'''" *8 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C2.6.1. '''" changed to "'''PC-C9.4.'''" *8 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C2.4.4. '''" changed to "'''PC-C9.3.'''" *8 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C2.4.3. '''" changed to "'''PC-C9.2.'''" *8 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C2.4.2. '''" changed to "'''PC-C9.1.'''" *8 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C5.3. '''" changed to "'''PC-I4.4.'''" *8 Jul {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C6.2. '''" changed to "'''PC-I4.5.2.'''" *8 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C6.1. '''" changed to "'''PC-I4.5.1.'''" *8 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C7. '''" changed to "'''PC-I4.3.'''" *8 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C8. '''" changed to "'''PC-I1.7.'''" *8 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C6.1.'''" changed to "'''PC-I4.1.'''" *8 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C4.3.'''" changed to "'''PC-I4.2.'''" *8 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C3.4.'''" changed to "'''PC-I3.2.'''" *8 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C3.2.2.'''" changed to "'''PC-I3.1.'''" *8 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C2.9.'''" changed to "'''PC-I1.6.'''" *7 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C2.8.'''" changed to "'''PC-I1.5.'''" *7 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C2.6.0A'''" corrected to "'''PC-C2.6.0.'''" *7 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C2.6.0B'''" changed to "'''PC-I1.4.'''" *7 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C2.5.2'''" changed to "'''PC-I1.3.'''" *6 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C2.4.1A.2'''" 4 usages added (Thank you Karim R!) *6 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C2.4.2B'''" changed to "'''PC-I1.2.1'''" *6 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C2.4.2A'''" changed to "'''PC-I1.1.1'''" *6 Jul: {{space|5}} Subgroup "'''PC-I'''" added, "'''stamps/endicia'''" *6 JuL: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-D5.8.0'''" added *6 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-D5.8'''" changed to "'''PC-D5.8.1'''" *6 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-D5.9A.0'''" 4 usages added (Thank you Karim R!) *6 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-D5.9B.0.0'''" 4 usages added (Thank you Karim R!) *5 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-D3.3B.6A.1A'''" 5 usages added (Thank you Karim R!) *30 Jun: {{space|3.5}} Type "'''PC-G2.5'''" added (Thank you Frankie S!) *30 Jun: {{space|3.5}} Type "'''PC-D5.9B.0.1'''" added (Thank you Karim R!) *30 Jun: {{space|3.5}} Type "'''PC-D4.3.1'''" added (Thank you Karim R!) *30 Jun: {{space|3.5}} Type "'''PC-D4.3'''" changed to "'''PC-D4.3.2'''" *30 Jun: {{space|3.5}} Type "'''PC-F4.4'''" usage added, unusually wide label (Thank you Otto B!) *23 Jun: {{space|3.5}} Type "'''PC-E3.9'''" added "'''IMI'''" (Thank you Mark S!) *23 Jun: {{space|3.5}} Type "'''PC-E3.3C'''" and "'''PC-E3.3D'''" changed to "'''PC-E3.8.1'''" and "'''PC-E3.8.2'''" *21 Jun: {{space|3.5}} Type "'''PC-F2.2'''" added "'''IMI'''" (Thank you Mark H!) *21 Jun: {{space|3.5}} Type "'''PC-F2'''" changed to "'''PC-F2.1'''" *14 Jun: {{space|3.5}} Type "'''IA4.1Bb'''" missing last digit of meter number (''61168'') *1 Jan: {{space|5}} Type "'''PO-A6.2BB.f'''" with large "'''PO'''" added *1 Jan: {{space|5}} Type "'''PO-A6.2BB.b'''" illustration added *5 Dec: {{space|5}} Type "'''QD1c'''" added, "'''CERTIFIED MAIL'''"(Thank you Babs N!) *5 Dec: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-E3.7.1'''" added, "'''CERTIFIED MAIL'''"(Thank you Frankie S and Otto B!) *1 Dec: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-E3.7'''" added (Thank you Frankie S and Otto B!) *11 Nov: {{space|3}} Type "'''IA4.6'''" 700000 series added *22 Oct: {{space|3}} Type "'''HC1.1-5.3'''" added "'''ADD'L 1/4¢ ''' at bottom line of slogan/ad (''9007'')" *2 Oct: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-D3.3B.3A'''" ''' HAZMAT ''' label added (Thank you Frankie S!) *2 Oct: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-A1.11'''" added, a version with several differences from the initial issue (Thank you Mark R!!) *2 Oct: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-A1.1'''" Renumbered to "'''PC-A1.10'''" *14 Sep: {{space|3}} Type "'''QA7.2.1'''" added, "'''IMI'''" (Thank you Frankie S!) *14 Sep: {{space|3}} Type "'''QA7.2'''" renumbered to "'''QA7.2.0'''" *14 Sep: {{space|3}} Type "'''PC-D4.4'''" added (Thank you Frankie S!) *3 Sep: {{space|5}} Type "'''PPS-AG49'''" "'''Orbitran'''" with complete box (Thank you Ronnie R!) *1 Sep: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-F4.6'''" "'''EASYPOST'''" with "'''POSTAGE PAID IMI'''" added (Thank you Frankie S!) *1 Sep: {{space|5}} Type "'''IC4.1f'''" meter with right digit missing (Thank you Ronnie R!) *13 Aug: {{space|3}} Type "'''DF3.3'''" added meter number to 8c usage [RRRR] (Thank you Ronnie R!) *7 Aug: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-D3.3B.5'''" changed to "'''PC-D3.3B.5A'''", "'''PC-D3.3B.5B'''" added (Thank you Frankie S!) *5 Aug: {{space|5}} Type "'''PFF4.1'''" added "'''Mrs Lyndon B. Johnson'''" *2 Aug: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C2.4.4'''" added (Thank you Frankie S!) *2 Aug: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C2.4.2D'''" deleted *29 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''SPE-IA1'''" colors known noted (red or green) (second known example). (Thank you Ronnie R!) *20 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PO-B14.1A-3'''" added (Thank you Otto B!) *18 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PPS-AD31.1A'''" New illustration added (Thank you Ronnie R!) *18 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PPS-AD30'''" note, illustration added (Thank you Ronnie R!) *18 Jul: {{space|5}} Group "'''PPS-A'''" Reorganized *13 Jul: {{space|5}} Types "'''CA1.2'''" note added, solid filled rectangle in place of permit number (Meisel variety) (Thank you Robert O!) |style="width:50%; color: teal;"| * |} <br> == <div class="center"><span style="color:red; font-size:xx-large;">'''Table of Contents'''</span></div> == <br> <div style="font-size:medium;"> * <u>'''[[/Information for collectors/]]'''</u> <span style="color:purple;"> (''the basics of U.S. meter stamp collecting'')</span> : •• [[/Postage meters and mailing machines/|Postage meters and mailing machines]] : •• [[/Meter and Permit numbers/|Meter and Permit numbers]] : •• [[/Ink colors and fluorescence/|Ink colors and fluorescence]] : •• [[/Town and date marks/|Town and date marks]] : •• [[/Surcharge slugs/|Surcharge slugs]] : •• [[/Essays/Specimens/Proofs/|Essays/Specimens/Proofs]] : •• [[/Rarity and values/|Rarity and values]] </div> * <u>'''[[/Glossary and Abbreviations/]]'''</u> <span style="color:purple;"> (''understanding the stamp descriptions'')</span> * <u>'''[[/Postage Meter Manufacturers (with time chart)/]]'''</u> * <u>'''[[/Adhesive paper tapes/]]'''</u> * <u>'''[[/Directional slugs/]]'''</u> * <u>'''[[/Bibliography/]]'''</u> <br> ---- <br> ::<span style="color:red;"> '''(''Types A through Q represent the general commercial meters available to the public, the groups after Type Q are for special services or types not generally available to the public,this latter group is not arranged in any particular order, but follow the general order established by Werner Simon.'')'''</span> <br> * [[/GROUP A – Early experimental franks, prior to 1920/|'''GROUP A – Early experimental franks, prior to 1920''']] [[File: MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File: USA meter catalog Group A thumbnail.jpeg|150px]] * [[/GROUP B – Square frank with wavy lines at the sides/|'''GROUP B – Square frank with wavy lines at the sides''']] [[File: MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File: USA B1.jpg|150px]] * [[/GROUP C – Oval frank with wavy lines at the sides/|'''GROUP C – Oval frank with wavy lines at the sides''']] [[File: MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File: USA CA1.jpg|150px]] * [[/GROUP D – Square or nearly square frank with simulated perforation outer frame/|'''GROUP D – Square or nearly square frank with simulated perforation outer frame''']] [[File: MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File: Group D thumb.jpg|180px]] * [[/GROUP E – Frameless design with arcs in the corners/|'''GROUP E – Frameless design with arcs in the corners (NCR)''']] [[File: MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File: USA E8.jpg|80px]] * [[/GROUP F – Wide rectangular frank with flying eagle in center/|'''GROUP F – Wide rectangular frank with flying eagle in center (Pitney Bowes)''']] [[File: MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File: USA F1.jpg|110px]] [[File: USA F4A.jpg|120px]] * [[/GROUP G – Wide rectangular frank with sitting eagle in center/|'''GROUP G – Wide rectangular frank with sitting eagle in center (Pitney Bowes)''']] [[File: MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File: USA G1.jpg|120px]] [[File: USA G3.jpg|120px]] * [[/GROUP H – Rectangular frank with simulated perforation frame, separate town mark/|'''GROUP H – Rectangular frank with simulated perforation frame, separate town mark''']] [[File: MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File: USA H2.jpg|110px]] [[File: USA H3.jpg|120px]] * [[/GROUP I – Frameless design with large sitting eagle in center/|'''GROUP I – Frameless design with large sitting eagle in center (Pitney Bowes)''']] [[File: MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File: USA IA1.jpg|100px]] [[File: USA IB4.jpg|90px]] [[File: USA IC1.jpg|110px]] * [[/GROUP J – Square design with straight outer frame, separate town mark/|'''GROUP J – Square design with straight outer frame, separate town mark (Postalia)''']] [[File: MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File: USA J1.jpg|110px]] [[File: USA J6.jpg|140px]] * [[/GROUP K – Frank with torch motif/|'''GROUP K – Frank with hand held torch''']] [[File: USA KA2.jpg|110px]] [[File: USA KB1.jpg|100px]][[File: USA KD1.jpg|90px]] [[File: USA KE1.jpg|140px]] * [[/GROUP L – Frank with profile of eagle/|'''GROUP L – Frank with profile of eagle (Hasler)''']] [[File: MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File: USA LA1.jpg|120px]] [[File: USA LB1A.jpg|140px]] * [[/GROUP M – Simple rectangle with star ornaments/|'''GROUP M – Simple rectangle with stars (Neopost)''']] [[File: MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File: USA P1.jpg|140px]] * [[/GROUP N – Digital stamps, no 2D barcode/|'''GROUP N – Digital stamps without 2D barcode''']] <div style="color:#0000A0;"> : •• [[/GROUP N – Digital stamps, no 2D barcode#/Sub-group NA – Pitney Bowes, eagle head and wing/|Sub-group NA – Pitney Bowes, eagle head and wing (also ''LOW VALUE'')]] [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File:USA M2.jpg|110px]] [[File:USA M5.jpg|120px]] [[File:USA M6A.jpg|120px]] [[File:USA meter stamp NA examples.jpg|right|240px]] : •• [[/GROUP N – Digital stamps, no 2D barcode/#Sub-group NB – Neopost-Hasler, frameless rectangular design with profile of eagle at right facing left/|Sub-group NB – Neopost-Hasler, complete profile of eagle facing left]] [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File:USA LC1.jpg|110px]] : •• [[/GROUP N – Digital stamps, no 2D barcode#/Sub-group NC – Neopost, torch-in-hand/|Sub-group NC – Neopost, torch-in-hand]] [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File:USA N1.jpg|110px]] [[File:USA N2.jpg|120px]] : •• [[/GROUP N – Digital stamps, no 2D barcode#/Sub-group ND – Francotyp-Postalia, bird in oval/|Sub-group ND – Francotyp-Postalia, bird in oval]] [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File:USA MB1.jpg|140px]] </div> ::<span style="color:red;">'''(''Groups O and P not used to avoid confusion with Groups OO, PC, PO, PD, and PV.'')'''</span> * [[/GROUP Q – Digital stamps with 2D barcode/|'''GROUP Q – Digital stamps with "Datamatrix" or "IBI Lite" 2D barcode''']] <div style="color:#0000A0;"> : •• [[/GROUP Q – Digital stamps with 2D barcode#/Sub-group QA – Neopost-Hasler, Neopost (branded as Neopost, Hasler, or ASCOM Hasler)/|Sub-group QA – Hasler, Neopost-Hasler, Neopost, Quadient]] [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File:USA meter stamp QA2.jpg|70px]] [[File:USA N3.jpg|130px]] [[File:USA R2A.jpg|130px]] [[File:USA stamp type R8.jpg|150px]] : •• [[/GROUP Q – Digital stamps with 2D barcode#/Sub-group QB – Pitney Bowes#/|Sub-group QB – Pitney Bowes]] [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File:USA M9.jpg|130px]] [[File:USA M13.jpg|130px]] [[File:USA M11.jpg|160px]] : •• [[/GROUP Q – Digital stamps with 2D barcode#/Sub-group QC – Francotyp-Postalia/|Sub-group QC – Francotyp-Postalia]] [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File:USA R5.jpg|130px]][[File:USA stamp type R10.jpg|130px]] : •• [[/GROUP Q – Digital stamps with 2D barcode#/Sub-group QD – Data-Pac/|Sub-group QD – Data-Pac]] [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File:USA S1.jpg|130px]] </div> <br /> <br> <br> ::<span style="color:red;"> '''(''The groups after Type Q are for special services or types not generally available to the public, this latter group is not arranged in any particular order, but follow the general order established by Werner Simon.'')'''</span> <br> * [[/GROUP PC – Digital stamps generated by personal computer software or online/|'''GROUP PC – Digital stamps generated by personal computer software or online''']] <div style="color:#0000A0;"> : •• [[/GROUP PC – Digital stamps generated by personal computer software or online#/Sub-group PC-A – E-stamp/|Sub-group PC-A – E-stamp]][[File:PC thumb.jpg|right|400px]] : •• [[/GROUP PC – Digital stamps generated by personal computer software or online#Sub-group PC-B – Neopost/|Sub-group PC-B – Neopost]] : •• [[/GROUP PC – Digital stamps generated by personal computer software or online#Sub-group PC-C – Stamps.com/|Sub-group PC-C – Stamps.com]] : •• [[/GROUP PC – Digital stamps generated by personal computer software or online#Sub-group PC-D – Pitney Bowes/|Sub-group PC-D – Pitney Bowes]] : •• [[/GROUP PC – Digital stamps generated by personal computer software or online#Sub-group PC-E – Envelope Management Software (Endicia)/|Sub-group PC-E – Envelope Management Software (Endicia)]] : •• [[/GROUP PC – Digital stamps generated by personal computer software or online#Sub-group PC-F – easypost/|Sub-group PC-F – easypost]] : •• [[/GROUP PC – Digital stamps generated by personal computer software or online#Sub-group PC-G – USPS/|Sub-group PC-G – USPS]] : •• [[/GROUP PC – Digital stamps generated by personal computer software or online#Sub-group PC-H – Francotyp-Postalia/|Sub-group PC-H – Francotyp-Postalia]] : •• [[/GROUP PC – Digital stamps generated by personal computer software or online#Sub-group PC-I – Francotyp-Postalia/|Sub-group PC-I – stamps/endicia]] </div> * [[/GROUP PO – Franks generated by meters operated by Post Office window clerks/|'''GROUP PO – Franks generated by meters and franking systems operated by Post Office window clerks''']] <div style="color:#0000A0;"> : •• [[/GROUP PO – Franks generated by meters operated by Post Office window clerks/|Sub-group PO-A – Stamps generated by commercial postage meters modified for use in post offices]] : •• [[/GROUP PO – Franks generated by meters operated by Post Office window clerks/|Sub-group PO-B – Stamps generated by machines or systems unique to Post Office use, with no resemblance to any commercial meter stamp]] </div> * [[/GROUP PD – Franks generated to indicate Postage Due/|'''GROUP PD – Franks generated to indicate Postage Due''']] <div style="color:#0000A0;"> : •• [[/GROUP PD – Franks generated to indicate Postage Due/|Sub-group PD-A – Thin arrow pointing right, inverted "POSTAGE DUE" above, inverted "COLLECT" below]] [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File:USA Postage Due Type A thumbnail.jpg|120px]] : •• [[/GROUP PD – Franks generated to indicate Postage Due/|Sub-group PD-B – Right-pointing outline arrow containing "POSTAGE DUE/PAID", barbs on pointed end]] [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File:USA Postage Due Type B thumbnail.jpg|120px]] : •• [[/GROUP PD – Franks generated to indicate Postage Due/|Sub-group PD-C – Right-pointing outline arrow containing "POSTAGE DUE/PAID", no barbs, lines thick on bottom]] [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File:USA Postage Due Type C thumbnail.jpg|130px]] : •• [[/GROUP PD – Franks generated to indicate Postage Due/|Sub-group PD-D – Vertical rectangle containing "POSTAGE/DUE"]] [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File:USA Postage Due Type D thumbnail.jpg|110px]] : •• [[/GROUP PD – Franks generated to indicate Postage Due/|Sub-group PD-E – Wide "T" containing "POSTAGE/DUE" (Pitney Bowes)]] [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File:USA Postage Due Type E thumbnail.jpg|130px]] : •• [[/GROUP PD – Franks generated to indicate Postage Due/|Sub-group PD-F – Wide "T" containing "POSTAGE/DUE" (Friden)]] [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File:USA Postage Due Type F thumbnail.jpg|130px]] : •• [[/GROUP PD – Franks generated to indicate Postage Due/|Sub-group PD-G – Digital label with "POSTAGE DUE" across top, Intermec]] [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File:USA Postage Due Type G thumbnail.jpg|140px]] : •• [[/GROUP PD – Franks generated to indicate Postage Due/|Sub-group PD-H – Digital P.O. counter label with "PD" in town line, MOS-UNISYS]] [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File:USA Postage Due Types H and J spacer.jpg|180px]] : •• [[/GROUP PD – Franks generated to indicate Postage Due/|Sub-group PD-J – Digital P.O. counter label with "POSTAGE DUE" at top]] </div> * [[/GROUP PV – Self-service variable-rate stamp vending machine franks/|'''GROUP PV – Self-service variable-rate stamp vending machine franks''']] * [[/GROUP OO – Official government business mail franks/|'''GROUP OO – Official government business mail franks''']] * [[/GROUP OA – Official Armed Forces government business mail franks/|'''GROUP OA – Official Armed Forces government business mail franks''']] : •• Sub-group OA-NAV – U.S. Navy : •• Sub-group OA-AAF – U.S. Army & Air Force : •• Sub-group OA-ARM – U.S. Army : •• Sub-group OA-AIR – U.S. Air Force : •• Sub-group OA-MAR – U.S. Marine Corps : •• Sub-group OA-APO – Overseas Army and Air Force Post Offices : •• Sub-group OA-FPO – Overseas Fleet Post Offices : •• Sub-group OA-NGD – National Guard <br /> * [[/GROUP AR/|'''GROUP AR – Meter stamps used by the Armed Forces''']] : •• Sub-group AR-NAV – U.S. Navy : •• Sub-group AR-AAF – U.S. Army & Air Force : •• Sub-group AR-ARM – U.S. Army : •• Sub-group AR-AIR – U.S. Air Force : •• Sub-group AR-MAR – U.S. Marine Corps : •• Sub-group AR-APO – Overseas Army and Air Force Post Offices : •• Sub-group AR-FPO – Overseas Fleet Post Offices : •• Sub-group AR-NGD – National Guard <br /> * [[/GROUP ESY – Essays/|'''GROUP ESY – Essays''']] : •• Sub-group ESY-A – [[/GROUP ESY – Essays/|Essays from before meters were approved for general use in 1920]] : •• Sub-group ESY-B – [[/GROUP ESY – Essays/|Early competitive development, 1921 to 1938]] : •• Sub-group ESY-C – [[/GROUP ESY – Essays/|Later competitive development (mechanical meters), 1938 to 1990s]] : •• Sub-group ESY-D – [[/GROUP ESY – Essays/|Digital meter essays, 1980 to date]] <br /> * [[/GROUP MEI – Meisel/|'''GROUP MEI – Meisel''']] <br /> * [[/GROUP PFF – Presidential Free Franks/|'''GROUP PFF – Presidential Free Franks''']] <br> * [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/ |''' GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps''']] : •• Sub-group PPS-A – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from the UPS (United Parcel Service)]] : •• Sub-group PPS-B – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from the Rochester Package Delivery]] : •• Sub-group PPS-C – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from the Retail Delivery Service]] : •• Sub-group PPS-D – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from TNT]] : •• Sub-group PPS-E – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from Purolator]] : •• Sub-group PPS-F – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from EFD Package Express]] : •• Sub-group PPS-G – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from American Messenger Service]] : •• Sub-group PPS-H – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from APD]] : •• Sub-group PPS-I – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from Berkshire Apparel Corporation]] : •• Sub-group PPS-J – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from Canpar]] : •• Sub-group PPS-K – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from CMR]] : •• Sub-group PPS-L – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from State of North Carolina Courier Service]] : •• Sub-group PPS-M – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from DSI (Mr. Messenger, Inc ?)]] : •• Sub-group PPS-N – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from Hourly]] : •• Sub-group PPS-O – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from Local Parcel Service]] : •• Sub-group PPS-P – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from Maclen Express Co]] : •• Sub-group PPS-Q – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from Merchants Delivery Co]] : •• Sub-group PPS-R – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from Parcel Delivery Co]] : •• Sub-group PPS-S – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from Parcel Service]] : •• Sub-group PPS-T – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from Post Par]] : •• Sub-group PPS-U – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from Spee-Dee Delivery Service]] : •• Sub-group PPS-V – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from Metroline]] : •• Sub-group PPS-W – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from Amazon Prime]] : •• Sub-group PPS-X – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from FEDEX/Federal Express]] : •• Sub-group PPS-Y – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from Global Mail]] : •• Sub-group PPS-Z – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from P R CHINA POST / USPS Partnership]] : •• Sub-group PPS-2Z – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from DHL]] : •• Sub-group PPS-3Z – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from uniuni]] : •• Sub-group PPS-4Z – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from Too Express]] : •• Sub-group PPS-5Z – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from OnTrac]] : •• Sub-group PPS-6Z – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from Jitsu]] <br /> * [[/GROUPS REV and SRV: Non-postal franks used to collect tax/|'''GROUPS REV and SRV– Non-postal franks used to collect tax, also known as fiscal or revenue franks''']] : •• [[/GROUP REV – Non-postal franks used to collect tax/|Sub-group REV –Non-postal franks used to collect Federal tax/ : •• [[/GROUP SRV – Non-postal franks used to collect tax/|Sub-group SRV –Non-postal franks used to collect State and local tax/ <br> * [[/GROUP SPE – Specimens/|'''GROUP SPE – Specimens''']] <br> * [[/GROUP TST – Test stamps/|'''GROUP TST – Test stamps''']] <br /> <br /> <div class="center"><span style="color:blue; font-size:x-large;">· ♦ ·</span> <span style="color:blue; font-size:x-large;">·</span>[[/sandbox3/|<span style="color:blue; font-size:x-large;">·</span>]] </div> ---- <!--Book Templates --> {{Shelves|Collecting}} {{alphabetical}} {{status|25%}} t4eyrbsn7s0ondx91pzc6x6z4ln8ts3 4654270 4654269 2026-07-13T02:33:15Z Boris1951zz 3378369 4654270 wikitext text/x-wiki {{DISPLAYTITLE:<span style="display:block;text-align:center;font-size:1%;font-style:italic;line-height:1em;"> </span>}} {{DISPLAYTITLE:<span style="display:block;text-align:center;font-size:1%;font-style:italic;line-height:1em;"> </span>}} [[File:USA CATALOG LOGO3.png|400px]|center]] <div class="center">[[File: USA A2new.jpg|130px]] [[File: USA F1.jpg|240px]] [[File: USA PC-E2.jpg|240px]] [[File: USA E8.jpg|180px]] <br><br> <i><span style="font-size:xx-large; color:BLUE;">'''''Welcome to the United States Postage Meter Stamp Catalog!'''''</span></i> </div> <br> <br> [[File: USA A1.jpg|right|190px]] <div style="font-size:medium;"> * In 1897 the United States became the first country in the world to use postage meters on an experimental basis to frank live mail. After years of further experimentation and development postage meters were finally approved for use by the general public in 1920. Experimentation continued long after this date as the machines continued to be improved and perfected. All this activity and fermentation makes the U.S. one of the most interesting and complex countries to collect for postage meter stamps. * This online edition of ''The United States Postage Meter Stamp Catalog'' is an expansion and update of the paper edition, written and published by Joel Hawkins and Rick Stambaugh in 1994 and updated previously in 2001. It uses a new, more logical, decimal system for assigning Type numbers. Type numbers that are different from the earlier edition show the previous designation as follows: <span style="font-size:x-small; color:blue;">''Type '''XXX''' in 2001 edition''</span> *<div style="color: red;"> Comments, suggested changes, corrections, and additions to the catalog are encouraged. Email <span style="color:blue;"> "''' Alan Knutson'''":</span><span style="color:red;"> boris1951@charter.net</span></div> </div> ---- <span style="font-size:medium; color:teal;"><u>'''''Latest changes:'''''</u></span> {| |- |style="width:50%; color: teal;"| *12 Jul: {{space|3.5}} Type "'''PC-F1.2'''" usage added (Thank you Otto B!) *8 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C9.3 '''" usage added (Thank you Otto B!) *8 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C9.2 '''" usage added (Thank you Otto B!) *8 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C2.3.3. '''" changed to "'''PC-C9.5.'''" *8 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C2.6.1. '''" changed to "'''PC-C9.4.'''" *8 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C2.4.4. '''" changed to "'''PC-C9.3.'''" *8 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C2.4.3. '''" changed to "'''PC-C9.2.'''" *8 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C2.4.2. '''" changed to "'''PC-C9.1.'''" *8 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C5.3. '''" changed to "'''PC-I4.4.'''" *8 Jul {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C6.2. '''" changed to "'''PC-I4.5.2.'''" *8 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C6.1. '''" changed to "'''PC-I4.5.1.'''" *8 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C7. '''" changed to "'''PC-I4.3.'''" *8 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C8. '''" changed to "'''PC-I1.7.'''" *8 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C6.1.'''" changed to "'''PC-I4.1.'''" *8 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C4.3.'''" changed to "'''PC-I4.2.'''" *8 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C3.4.'''" changed to "'''PC-I3.2.'''" *8 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C3.2.2.'''" changed to "'''PC-I3.1.'''" *8 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C2.9.'''" changed to "'''PC-I1.6.'''" *7 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C2.8.'''" changed to "'''PC-I1.5.'''" *7 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C2.6.0A'''" corrected to "'''PC-C2.6.0.'''" *7 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C2.6.0B'''" changed to "'''PC-I1.4.'''" *7 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C2.5.2'''" changed to "'''PC-I1.3.'''" *6 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C2.4.1A.2'''" 4 usages added (Thank you Karim R!) *6 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C2.4.2B'''" changed to "'''PC-I1.2.1'''" *6 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C2.4.2A'''" changed to "'''PC-I1.1.1'''" *6 Jul: {{space|5}} Subgroup "'''PC-I'''" added, "'''stamps/endicia'''" *6 JuL: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-D5.8.0'''" added *6 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-D5.8'''" changed to "'''PC-D5.8.1'''" *6 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-D5.9A.0'''" 4 usages added (Thank you Karim R!) *6 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-D5.9B.0.0'''" 4 usages added (Thank you Karim R!) *5 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-D3.3B.6A.1A'''" 5 usages added (Thank you Karim R!) *30 Jun: {{space|3.5}} Type "'''PC-G2.5'''" added (Thank you Frankie S!) *30 Jun: {{space|3.5}} Type "'''PC-D5.9B.0.1'''" added (Thank you Karim R!) *30 Jun: {{space|3.5}} Type "'''PC-D4.3.1'''" added (Thank you Karim R!) *30 Jun: {{space|3.5}} Type "'''PC-D4.3'''" changed to "'''PC-D4.3.2'''" *30 Jun: {{space|3.5}} Type "'''PC-F4.4'''" usage added, unusually wide label (Thank you Otto B!) *23 Jun: {{space|3.5}} Type "'''PC-E3.9'''" added "'''IMI'''" (Thank you Mark S!) *23 Jun: {{space|3.5}} Type "'''PC-E3.3C'''" and "'''PC-E3.3D'''" changed to "'''PC-E3.8.1'''" and "'''PC-E3.8.2'''" *21 Jun: {{space|3.5}} Type "'''PC-F2.2'''" added "'''IMI'''" (Thank you Mark H!) *21 Jun: {{space|3.5}} Type "'''PC-F2'''" changed to "'''PC-F2.1'''" *14 Jun: {{space|3.5}} Type "'''IA4.1Bb'''" missing last digit of meter number (''61168'') *1 Jan: {{space|5}} Type "'''PO-A6.2BB.f'''" with large "'''PO'''" added *1 Jan: {{space|5}} Type "'''PO-A6.2BB.b'''" illustration added *5 Dec: {{space|5}} Type "'''QD1c'''" added, "'''CERTIFIED MAIL'''"(Thank you Babs N!) *5 Dec: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-E3.7.1'''" added, "'''CERTIFIED MAIL'''"(Thank you Frankie S and Otto B!) *1 Dec: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-E3.7'''" added (Thank you Frankie S and Otto B!) *11 Nov: {{space|3}} Type "'''IA4.6'''" 700000 series added *22 Oct: {{space|3}} Type "'''HC1.1-5.3'''" added "'''ADD'L 1/4¢ ''' at bottom line of slogan/ad (''9007'')" *2 Oct: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-D3.3B.3A'''" ''' HAZMAT ''' label added (Thank you Frankie S!) *2 Oct: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-A1.11'''" added, a version with several differences from the initial issue (Thank you Mark R!!) *2 Oct: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-A1.1'''" Renumbered to "'''PC-A1.10'''" *14 Sep: {{space|3}} Type "'''QA7.2.1'''" added, "'''IMI'''" (Thank you Frankie S!) *14 Sep: {{space|3}} Type "'''QA7.2'''" renumbered to "'''QA7.2.0'''" *14 Sep: {{space|3}} Type "'''PC-D4.4'''" added (Thank you Frankie S!) *3 Sep: {{space|5}} Type "'''PPS-AG49'''" "'''Orbitran'''" with complete box (Thank you Ronnie R!) *1 Sep: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-F4.6'''" "'''EASYPOST'''" with "'''POSTAGE PAID IMI'''" added (Thank you Frankie S!) *1 Sep: {{space|5}} Type "'''IC4.1f'''" meter with right digit missing (Thank you Ronnie R!) *13 Aug: {{space|3}} Type "'''DF3.3'''" added meter number to 8c usage [RRRR] (Thank you Ronnie R!) *7 Aug: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-D3.3B.5'''" changed to "'''PC-D3.3B.5A'''", "'''PC-D3.3B.5B'''" added (Thank you Frankie S!) *5 Aug: {{space|5}} Type "'''PFF4.1'''" added "'''Mrs Lyndon B. Johnson'''" *2 Aug: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C2.4.4'''" added (Thank you Frankie S!) *2 Aug: {{space|5}} Type "'''PC-C2.4.2D'''" deleted *29 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''SPE-IA1'''" colors known noted (red or green) (second known example). (Thank you Ronnie R!) *20 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PO-B14.1A-3'''" added (Thank you Otto B!) *18 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PPS-AD31.1A'''" New illustration added (Thank you Ronnie R!) *18 Jul: {{space|5}} Type "'''PPS-AD30'''" note, illustration added (Thank you Ronnie R!) *18 Jul: {{space|5}} Group "'''PPS-A'''" Reorganized *13 Jul: {{space|5}} Types "'''CA1.2'''" note added, solid filled rectangle in place of permit number (Meisel variety) (Thank you Robert O!) |style="width:50%; color: teal;"| * |} <br> == <div class="center"><span style="color:red; font-size:xx-large;">'''Table of Contents'''</span></div> == <br> <div style="font-size:medium;"> * <u>'''[[/Information for collectors/]]'''</u> <span style="color:purple;"> (''the basics of U.S. meter stamp collecting'')</span> : •• [[/Postage meters and mailing machines/|Postage meters and mailing machines]] : •• [[/Meter and Permit numbers/|Meter and Permit numbers]] : •• [[/Ink colors and fluorescence/|Ink colors and fluorescence]] : •• [[/Town and date marks/|Town and date marks]] : •• [[/Surcharge slugs/|Surcharge slugs]] : •• [[/Essays/Specimens/Proofs/|Essays/Specimens/Proofs]] : •• [[/Rarity and values/|Rarity and values]] </div> * <u>'''[[/Glossary and Abbreviations/]]'''</u> <span style="color:purple;"> (''understanding the stamp descriptions'')</span> * <u>'''[[/Postage Meter Manufacturers (with time chart)/]]'''</u> * <u>'''[[/Adhesive paper tapes/]]'''</u> * <u>'''[[/Directional slugs/]]'''</u> * <u>'''[[/Bibliography/]]'''</u> <br> ---- <br> ::<span style="color:red;"> '''(''Types A through Q represent the general commercial meters available to the public, the groups after Type Q are for special services or types not generally available to the public,this latter group is not arranged in any particular order, but follow the general order established by Werner Simon.'')'''</span> <br> * [[/GROUP A – Early experimental franks, prior to 1920/|'''GROUP A – Early experimental franks, prior to 1920''']] [[File: MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File: USA meter catalog Group A thumbnail.jpeg|150px]] * [[/GROUP B – Square frank with wavy lines at the sides/|'''GROUP B – Square frank with wavy lines at the sides''']] [[File: MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File: USA B1.jpg|150px]] * [[/GROUP C – Oval frank with wavy lines at the sides/|'''GROUP C – Oval frank with wavy lines at the sides''']] [[File: MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File: USA CA1.jpg|150px]] * [[/GROUP D – Square or nearly square frank with simulated perforation outer frame/|'''GROUP D – Square or nearly square frank with simulated perforation outer frame''']] [[File: MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File: Group D thumb.jpg|180px]] * [[/GROUP E – Frameless design with arcs in the corners/|'''GROUP E – Frameless design with arcs in the corners (NCR)''']] [[File: MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File: USA E8.jpg|80px]] * [[/GROUP F – Wide rectangular frank with flying eagle in center/|'''GROUP F – Wide rectangular frank with flying eagle in center (Pitney Bowes)''']] [[File: MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File: USA F1.jpg|110px]] [[File: USA F4A.jpg|120px]] * [[/GROUP G – Wide rectangular frank with sitting eagle in center/|'''GROUP G – Wide rectangular frank with sitting eagle in center (Pitney Bowes)''']] [[File: MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File: USA G1.jpg|120px]] [[File: USA G3.jpg|120px]] * [[/GROUP H – Rectangular frank with simulated perforation frame, separate town mark/|'''GROUP H – Rectangular frank with simulated perforation frame, separate town mark''']] [[File: MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File: USA H2.jpg|110px]] [[File: USA H3.jpg|120px]] * [[/GROUP I – Frameless design with large sitting eagle in center/|'''GROUP I – Frameless design with large sitting eagle in center (Pitney Bowes)''']] [[File: MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File: USA IA1.jpg|100px]] [[File: USA IB4.jpg|90px]] [[File: USA IC1.jpg|110px]] * [[/GROUP J – Square design with straight outer frame, separate town mark/|'''GROUP J – Square design with straight outer frame, separate town mark (Postalia)''']] [[File: MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File: USA J1.jpg|110px]] [[File: USA J6.jpg|140px]] * [[/GROUP K – Frank with torch motif/|'''GROUP K – Frank with hand held torch''']] [[File: USA KA2.jpg|110px]] [[File: USA KB1.jpg|100px]][[File: USA KD1.jpg|90px]] [[File: USA KE1.jpg|140px]] * [[/GROUP L – Frank with profile of eagle/|'''GROUP L – Frank with profile of eagle (Hasler)''']] [[File: MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File: USA LA1.jpg|120px]] [[File: USA LB1A.jpg|140px]] * [[/GROUP M – Simple rectangle with star ornaments/|'''GROUP M – Simple rectangle with stars (Neopost)''']] [[File: MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File: USA P1.jpg|140px]] * [[/GROUP N – Digital stamps, no 2D barcode/|'''GROUP N – Digital stamps without 2D barcode''']] <div style="color:#0000A0;"> : •• [[/GROUP N – Digital stamps, no 2D barcode#/Sub-group NA – Pitney Bowes, eagle head and wing/|Sub-group NA – Pitney Bowes, eagle head and wing (also ''LOW VALUE'')]] [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File:USA M2.jpg|110px]] [[File:USA M5.jpg|120px]] [[File:USA M6A.jpg|120px]] [[File:USA meter stamp NA examples.jpg|right|240px]] : •• [[/GROUP N – Digital stamps, no 2D barcode/#Sub-group NB – Neopost-Hasler, frameless rectangular design with profile of eagle at right facing left/|Sub-group NB – Neopost-Hasler, complete profile of eagle facing left]] [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File:USA LC1.jpg|110px]] : •• [[/GROUP N – Digital stamps, no 2D barcode#/Sub-group NC – Neopost, torch-in-hand/|Sub-group NC – Neopost, torch-in-hand]] [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File:USA N1.jpg|110px]] [[File:USA N2.jpg|120px]] : •• [[/GROUP N – Digital stamps, no 2D barcode#/Sub-group ND – Francotyp-Postalia, bird in oval/|Sub-group ND – Francotyp-Postalia, bird in oval]] [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File:USA MB1.jpg|140px]] </div> ::<span style="color:red;">'''(''Groups O and P not used to avoid confusion with Groups OO, PC, PO, PD, and PV.'')'''</span> * [[/GROUP Q – Digital stamps with 2D barcode/|'''GROUP Q – Digital stamps with "Datamatrix" or "IBI Lite" 2D barcode''']] <div style="color:#0000A0;"> : •• [[/GROUP Q – Digital stamps with 2D barcode#/Sub-group QA – Neopost-Hasler, Neopost (branded as Neopost, Hasler, or ASCOM Hasler)/|Sub-group QA – Hasler, Neopost-Hasler, Neopost, Quadient]] [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File:USA meter stamp QA2.jpg|70px]] [[File:USA N3.jpg|130px]] [[File:USA R2A.jpg|130px]] [[File:USA stamp type R8.jpg|150px]] : •• [[/GROUP Q – Digital stamps with 2D barcode#/Sub-group QB – Pitney Bowes#/|Sub-group QB – Pitney Bowes]] [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File:USA M9.jpg|130px]] [[File:USA M13.jpg|130px]] [[File:USA M11.jpg|160px]] : •• [[/GROUP Q – Digital stamps with 2D barcode#/Sub-group QC – Francotyp-Postalia/|Sub-group QC – Francotyp-Postalia]] [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File:USA R5.jpg|130px]][[File:USA stamp type R10.jpg|130px]] : •• [[/GROUP Q – Digital stamps with 2D barcode#/Sub-group QD – Data-Pac/|Sub-group QD – Data-Pac]] [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File:USA S1.jpg|130px]] </div> <br /> <br> <br> ::<span style="color:red;"> '''(''The groups after Type Q are for special services or types not generally available to the public, this latter group is not arranged in any particular order, but follow the general order established by Werner Simon.'')'''</span> <br> * [[/GROUP PC – Digital stamps generated by personal computer software or online/|'''GROUP PC – Digital stamps generated by personal computer software or online''']] <div style="color:#0000A0;"> : •• [[/GROUP PC – Digital stamps generated by personal computer software or online#/Sub-group PC-A – E-stamp/|Sub-group PC-A – E-stamp]][[File:PC thumb.jpg|right|400px]] : •• [[/GROUP PC – Digital stamps generated by personal computer software or online#Sub-group PC-B – Neopost/|Sub-group PC-B – Neopost]] : •• [[/GROUP PC – Digital stamps generated by personal computer software or online#Sub-group PC-C – Stamps.com/|Sub-group PC-C – Stamps.com]] : •• [[/GROUP PC – Digital stamps generated by personal computer software or online#Sub-group PC-D – Pitney Bowes/|Sub-group PC-D – Pitney Bowes]] : •• [[/GROUP PC – Digital stamps generated by personal computer software or online#Sub-group PC-E – Envelope Management Software (Endicia)/|Sub-group PC-E – Envelope Management Software (Endicia)]] : •• [[/GROUP PC – Digital stamps generated by personal computer software or online#Sub-group PC-F – easypost/|Sub-group PC-F – easypost]] : •• [[/GROUP PC – Digital stamps generated by personal computer software or online#Sub-group PC-G – USPS/|Sub-group PC-G – USPS]] : •• [[/GROUP PC – Digital stamps generated by personal computer software or online#Sub-group PC-H – Francotyp-Postalia/|Sub-group PC-H – Francotyp-Postalia]] : •• [[/GROUP PC – Digital stamps generated by personal computer software or online#Sub-group PC-I – Francotyp-Postalia/|Sub-group PC-I – stamps/endicia]] </div> * [[/GROUP PO – Franks generated by meters operated by Post Office window clerks/|'''GROUP PO – Franks generated by meters and franking systems operated by Post Office window clerks''']] <div style="color:#0000A0;"> : •• [[/GROUP PO – Franks generated by meters operated by Post Office window clerks/|Sub-group PO-A – Stamps generated by commercial postage meters modified for use in post offices]] : •• [[/GROUP PO – Franks generated by meters operated by Post Office window clerks/|Sub-group PO-B – Stamps generated by machines or systems unique to Post Office use, with no resemblance to any commercial meter stamp]] </div> * [[/GROUP PD – Franks generated to indicate Postage Due/|'''GROUP PD – Franks generated to indicate Postage Due''']] <div style="color:#0000A0;"> : •• [[/GROUP PD – Franks generated to indicate Postage Due/|Sub-group PD-A – Thin arrow pointing right, inverted "POSTAGE DUE" above, inverted "COLLECT" below]] [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File:USA Postage Due Type A thumbnail.jpg|120px]] : •• [[/GROUP PD – Franks generated to indicate Postage Due/|Sub-group PD-B – Right-pointing outline arrow containing "POSTAGE DUE/PAID", barbs on pointed end]] [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File:USA Postage Due Type B thumbnail.jpg|120px]] : •• [[/GROUP PD – Franks generated to indicate Postage Due/|Sub-group PD-C – Right-pointing outline arrow containing "POSTAGE DUE/PAID", no barbs, lines thick on bottom]] [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File:USA Postage Due Type C thumbnail.jpg|130px]] : •• [[/GROUP PD – Franks generated to indicate Postage Due/|Sub-group PD-D – Vertical rectangle containing "POSTAGE/DUE"]] [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File:USA Postage Due Type D thumbnail.jpg|110px]] : •• [[/GROUP PD – Franks generated to indicate Postage Due/|Sub-group PD-E – Wide "T" containing "POSTAGE/DUE" (Pitney Bowes)]] [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File:USA Postage Due Type E thumbnail.jpg|130px]] : •• [[/GROUP PD – Franks generated to indicate Postage Due/|Sub-group PD-F – Wide "T" containing "POSTAGE/DUE" (Friden)]] [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File:USA Postage Due Type F thumbnail.jpg|130px]] : •• [[/GROUP PD – Franks generated to indicate Postage Due/|Sub-group PD-G – Digital label with "POSTAGE DUE" across top, Intermec]] [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File:USA Postage Due Type G thumbnail.jpg|140px]] : •• [[/GROUP PD – Franks generated to indicate Postage Due/|Sub-group PD-H – Digital P.O. counter label with "PD" in town line, MOS-UNISYS]] [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|20px]] [[File:USA Postage Due Types H and J spacer.jpg|180px]] : •• [[/GROUP PD – Franks generated to indicate Postage Due/|Sub-group PD-J – Digital P.O. counter label with "POSTAGE DUE" at top]] </div> * [[/GROUP PV – Self-service variable-rate stamp vending machine franks/|'''GROUP PV – Self-service variable-rate stamp vending machine franks''']] * [[/GROUP OO – Official government business mail franks/|'''GROUP OO – Official government business mail franks''']] * [[/GROUP OA – Official Armed Forces government business mail franks/|'''GROUP OA – Official Armed Forces government business mail franks''']] : •• Sub-group OA-NAV – U.S. Navy : •• Sub-group OA-AAF – U.S. Army & Air Force : •• Sub-group OA-ARM – U.S. Army : •• Sub-group OA-AIR – U.S. Air Force : •• Sub-group OA-MAR – U.S. Marine Corps : •• Sub-group OA-APO – Overseas Army and Air Force Post Offices : •• Sub-group OA-FPO – Overseas Fleet Post Offices : •• Sub-group OA-NGD – National Guard <br /> * [[/GROUP AR/|'''GROUP AR – Meter stamps used by the Armed Forces''']] : •• Sub-group AR-NAV – U.S. Navy : •• Sub-group AR-AAF – U.S. Army & Air Force : •• Sub-group AR-ARM – U.S. Army : •• Sub-group AR-AIR – U.S. Air Force : •• Sub-group AR-MAR – U.S. Marine Corps : •• Sub-group AR-APO – Overseas Army and Air Force Post Offices : •• Sub-group AR-FPO – Overseas Fleet Post Offices : •• Sub-group AR-NGD – National Guard <br /> * [[/GROUP ESY – Essays/|'''GROUP ESY – Essays''']] : •• Sub-group ESY-A – [[/GROUP ESY – Essays/|Essays from before meters were approved for general use in 1920]] : •• Sub-group ESY-B – [[/GROUP ESY – Essays/|Early competitive development, 1921 to 1938]] : •• Sub-group ESY-C – [[/GROUP ESY – Essays/|Later competitive development (mechanical meters), 1938 to 1990s]] : •• Sub-group ESY-D – [[/GROUP ESY – Essays/|Digital meter essays, 1980 to date]] <br /> * [[/GROUP MEI – Meisel/|'''GROUP MEI – Meisel''']] <br /> * [[/GROUP PFF – Presidential Free Franks/|'''GROUP PFF – Presidential Free Franks''']] <br> * [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/ |''' GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps''']] : •• Sub-group PPS-A – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from the UPS (United Parcel Service)]] : •• Sub-group PPS-B – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from the Rochester Package Delivery]] : •• Sub-group PPS-C – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from the Retail Delivery Service]] : •• Sub-group PPS-D – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from TNT]] : •• Sub-group PPS-E – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from Purolator]] : •• Sub-group PPS-F – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from EFD Package Express]] : •• Sub-group PPS-G – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from American Messenger Service]] : •• Sub-group PPS-H – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from APD]] : •• Sub-group PPS-I – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from Berkshire Apparel Corporation]] : •• Sub-group PPS-J – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from Canpar]] : •• Sub-group PPS-K – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from CMR]] : •• Sub-group PPS-L – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from State of North Carolina Courier Service]] : •• Sub-group PPS-M – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from DSI (Mr. Messenger, Inc ?)]] : •• Sub-group PPS-N – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from Hourly]] : •• Sub-group PPS-O – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from Local Parcel Service]] : •• Sub-group PPS-P – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from Maclen Express Co]] : •• Sub-group PPS-Q – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from Merchants Delivery Co]] : •• Sub-group PPS-R – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from Parcel Delivery Co]] : •• Sub-group PPS-S – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from Parcel Service]] : •• Sub-group PPS-T – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from Post Par]] : •• Sub-group PPS-U – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from Spee-Dee Delivery Service]] : •• Sub-group PPS-V – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from Metroline]] : •• Sub-group PPS-W – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from Amazon Prime]] : •• Sub-group PPS-X – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from FEDEX/Federal Express]] : •• Sub-group PPS-Y – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from Global Mail]] : •• Sub-group PPS-Z – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from P R CHINA POST / USPS Partnership]] : •• Sub-group PPS-2Z – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from DHL]] : •• Sub-group PPS-3Z – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from uniuni]] : •• Sub-group PPS-4Z – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from Too Express]] : •• Sub-group PPS-5Z – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from OnTrac]] : •• Sub-group PPS-6Z – [[/GROUP PPS – Private Parcel Service stamps/|stamps originating from Jitsu]] <br /> * [[/GROUPS REV and SRV: Non-postal franks used to collect tax/|'''GROUPS REV and SRV– Non-postal franks used to collect tax, also known as fiscal or revenue franks''']] : •• [[/GROUP REV – Non-postal franks used to collect tax/|Sub-group REV –Non-postal franks used to collect Federal tax/ : •• [[/GROUP SRV – Non-postal franks used to collect tax/|Sub-group SRV –Non-postal franks used to collect State and local tax/ <br> * [[/GROUP SPE – Specimens/|'''GROUP SPE – Specimens''']] <br> * [[/GROUP TST – Test stamps/|'''GROUP TST – Test stamps''']] <br /> <br /> <div class="center"><span style="color:blue; font-size:x-large;">· ♦ ·</span> <span style="color:blue; font-size:x-large;">·</span>[[/sandbox3/|<span style="color:blue; 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That includes desktop and laptop machines obsolete for commercial operating systems. A2 can also be a subsystem in an [[w:ARM_architecture_family|ARM]], [[w:MS Windows|MS Windows]] or [[w:Unix-like|Unix-like]] system. {| class="wikitable" |+ |- ! style="width: 12em" | Host System ! style="width: 12em" | Subsystem ! Notes |- | [[w:OLPC_XO#Software|OLPC 13.2.11]] on XO-1.5 || [http://user.informatik.uni-bremen.de/fld/UnixAos/ LinuxA2 rev.7355] || Outdated SSL/TLS in OLPC 13.2.11 prevented connection to Wikipedia. |- | [https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases Debian 11] on a generic PC || [http://user.informatik.uni-bremen.de/fld/UnixAos/ LinuxA2 rev.9779] || |- | [https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases Debian 12] on a generic PC || [[Oberon/A2#The_A2_Repositories|LinuxA2 Generic,<br>64-bit, Apr 19 2023]] | Oberon keyboard input bug, [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/issues/141 Issue 141]. Retrieve and compile [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/-/project/23928/uploads/5b412cf39e8049b6bd2407670ce6599a/MyUnix.KbdMouse.Mod MyUnix.KbdMouse.Mod]. <F12> disables HotKeys to allow Oberon keyboard functionality. If <Backspace> key doesn't work, try <Delete>. |- | [https://easyos.org EasyOS 7.4.2] | [[Oberon/A2#The_A2_Repositories|LinuxA2 Generic,<br>64-bit, Jun 27 2026]] | At 2026.06.27 EasyOS is available for the 64 bit PC; not the 32 bit PC. Also apply MyUnix.KbdMouse.Mod as noted above. |} == Installing and Running UnixAOS == The original instructions<ref name="Git"/> for installing UnixAOS are in [http://user.informatik.uni-bremen.de/fld/UnixAos/Readme.txt http://user.informatik.uni-bremen.de/fld/UnixAos/Readme.txt]. Installation files are available from [http://user.informatik.uni-bremen.de/fld/UnixAos/ http://user.informatik.uni-bremen.de/fld/UnixAos/]. [[File:LinuxA2Gen32bit.rev.9527.png|thumb|The display of freshly installed LinuxAos Generic 32-bit, rev.9527.]] The shell script installer assumes existence of a sys group in the host. For systems lacking this group, the script is easily adapted. For example, the line, chgrp -R sys ${aosdir} can be changed to this. chgrp -R bin ${aosdir} The UnixAOS working directory can have an [[w:Ext2|ext2]] or [[w:File_Allocation_Table|FAT]] filesystem on a removable flash store. ===Revisions Prior to 10272=== The default directory for the system is /usr/aos. By default, install.UnixAos installs start script /usr/bin/aos. The aos script adjusts the operating system environment before starting aos.{solaris,linux,darwin}. As noted in [http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~fld/UnixAos/Readme.txt Readme.txt], UnixAos can be started with these two commands.<ref name="linePrefix"/> [[w:Cd_(command)|cd]] <myWorkingDirectory> aos <myWorkingDirectory> must be replaced with a specific directory name. ===Revision 10272=== The default directory for the system is /usr/local/A2 and the default start script is /usr/local/bin/a2. A2 can be started with these commands. [[w:Cd_(command)|cd]] <myWorkingDirectory> a2 As for earlier releases, <myWorkingDirectory> represents a specific directory name. ==User and Machine Specific Configuration of UnixAOS== UnixAos is configured by [[Oberon/A2#Module_Sources,_Tools_and_Configuration_Texts|Configuration.XML]]. The Oberon subsystem is configured by [[Oberon/A2#Module_Sources,_Tools_and_Configuration_Texts|Oberon.Text]]; refer to the [[Oberon/ETH_Oberon#System_Configuration|ETH Oberon page]] and the original [[Oberon/ETH_Oberon/betadocu|betadocu]] page. [[File:WaylandWestonA2.jpg|thumb|440px|[[w:Firefox|Firefox]] and A2 with [[w:Weston_(software)|Weston and XWayland]] on a [[w:Debian|Debian]] 10 system with twin screens.]] If the working directory is on a removable store, the [[Oberon/A2/myaos|myaos]] [[w:Shell script|script]] allows the storage device to be used in multiple machines with differing configurations. When the store is not already mounted, [[w:Fsck|e2fsck]] is applied as a precaution.<ref name="filesystemCheck"/> In case the filesystem has been corrupted, e2fsck will usually complete repairs. A reasonable location for the myaos script is the home directory of the user. For each host, create in the working directory, files {{nowrap|Configuration.<host>.XML}}. To use the Oberon subsystem, create {{nowrap|Oberon.<host>.Text}}. This can be done by copying the installed files and editing the copies. For example, a host named blunder requires {{nowrap|Configuration.blunder.XML}} for A2 and {{nowrap|Oberon.blunder.Text}} for the Oberon subsystem. The XML file contains ASCII text and can be edited with [[w:Geany|Geany]], [[w:Gedit|gedit]] or [[w:Mousepad|mousepad]] in Linux or with Edit > Text in A2. The installed Oberon.Text contains some binary information.<ref name="Text"/> In ETH Oberon it would usually be edited with Edit or ET. Nevertheless plain text will also work. After storing Oberon.Text with ET.StoreChar, it can be edited with Mousepad or Gedit in Linux, with Notepad in MS Windows and with Atom in MacOS. This can resolve the difficulty of a file name, {{nowrap|Oberon.<Host>.Text}}, exceeding the 32 character limit of the Oberon system. myaos or mya2 copies {{nowrap|Configuration.blunder.XML}} to {{nowrap|Configuration.XML}} and {{nowrap|Oberon.blunder.Text}} to {{nowrap|Oberon.Text}} before starting UnixAos. ==The A2 Repositories== [[File:ETHZgitlabOberon.jpg|thumb|Screenshot of the home page for A2 in Gitlab at ETHZ.]] The original repository for sources and executables for several platforms was [[w:Apache_Subversion|Apache Subversion]] (SVN) based. The contemporary [[w:Git|Git]] based [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon repository] began with files from SVN revision 10270. While the Git archive is current, the [[Oberon/SVN|notes for SVN]] remain available. The repository provides the latest version and allows ongoing updates. From the viewpoint of a user, the method is based upon a local copy of the repository. The local copy is created by cloning from [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon ETHZ]. WIthin the local copy, an A2 executable can be built for a targeted platform including a bare PC. Executables in subdirectories for Windows, Linux (Intel 32 and 64 bit) and ARM are available. The repository will occupy 0.5+&#160;GB depending upon inclusion of executables. <p id="account">An ETHZ affiliate can obtain a [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch D-INFK GitLab] account. Otherwise a [https://github.com/signup?source=login Github] account.</p> ===Git in a Unix-like System=== [[File:Git operations.svg|thumb|Git operations. For details, follow the links in the text.]] The [[w:Git|Wikipedia article]] provides a useful overview. [https://git-scm.com/doc Official documentation] is available as a [https://git-scm.com/docs Reference Manual], comprising manual pages, and the [https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2 Pro Git] book. [https://git-lfs.com/ git-lfs is documented] separately. Each Linux has an installation procedure for Git with the various procedures [https://git-scm.com/download/linux summarized in the Git Web site]. Release specific information is also available. For Debian Linux, refer to the [https://wiki.debian.org/UsingGit UsingGit] wiki page. If apt is available these commands suffice. # apt install git # apt install git-lfs The name of the repository directory is arbitrary. "A2" serves for this example. Check that the intended directory is non-existent, # ls -ld A2 ls: cannot access 'A2': No such file or directory or empty. # ls -ld A2/* ls: cannot access 'A2/*': No such file or directory Log in to a [[#account|D-INFK GitLab account or a github account]]. Create the local repository. # [https://git-scm.com/docs/git-clone git clone] https&#58;//gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon.git A2 Update the local repository from the origin, main branch. # cd A2 # [https://git-scm.com/docs/git-pull git pull] origin main Check the commit hash. # git show | head -n 1 commit f62a9d95e8b5df1869888252c50f9ef6a17e137a The next revision will change the hash. In MS Windows check what you have. # dir /ad * AosVM LanguageReport Linux32 source UnixAos Win64 ARM license.txt Linux64 tools Win32 WinAos In Linux check what you have. # ls -d * AosVM LanguageReport Linux32 source UnixAos Win64 ARM license.txt Linux64 tools Win32 WinAos Use git-lfs to track some zip archives. # git lfs track "Linux*.zip" # git add .gitattributes Check which large files are tracked. # git lfs track Listing tracked patterns ARM/ARM.A2/*.bin (ARM/ARM.A2/.gitattributes) Linux32.zip (.gitattributes) Linux64.zip (.gitattributes) LinuxARM.zip (.gitattributes) Win32.zip (.gitattributes) Win64.zip (.gitattributes) *.bin (.gitattributes) Linux*.zip (.gitattributes) Listing excluded patterns Retrieve a specific archive file. # git lfs fetch Linux64.zip fetch: Fetching reference refs/heads/main Verify existence of the zip archive. # ls -ld Linux64* -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 23712521 Dec 5 09:19 Linux64.zip Unzip. # unzip Linux64 Archive: Linux64.zip creating: Linux64/ creating: Linux64/work/ inflating: Linux64/oberon.ini creating: Linux64/bin/ inflating: Linux64/Kernel.GofU inflating: Linux64/OpenTypeScan.SymU inflating: ... Check the content of Linux64. # cd Linux64 # ls -ld * -rwxrwxr-x 1 root root 49 Apr 18 2023 a2.sh -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 162 Apr 18 2023 a2.txt drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 90112 Jan 9 20:13 bin -rwxr--r-- 1 root root 1316520 Jan 9 20:14 oberon -rwxrwxr-x 1 root root 250 Apr 18 2023 oberon.ini drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 7 Dec 13 06:23 work bin contains more than 2000 executable files. oberon is the kernel created by Linker.Link. Execute the start script. # Linux64/a2.sh or # cd Linux64 ; ./a2.sh [[File:LinuxA2Gen.32bit.rev.9799.jpg|thumb|LinuxA2 Generic 32 bit, rev.9799 started from the Git repository.]] The content of a2.sh can be displayed by "cat&#160;a2.sh" or with an editor. The script performs two actions. "cd&#160;`dirname&#160;$0`" changes to the directory where a2.sh resides; ~/A2/Linux64 for example. Then "./oberon&#160;run a2.txt" executes command "oberon" with arguments "run" and "a2.txt". a2.txt contains A2 commands and can be displayed by cat and by an editor. The first command executes commands in oberon.ini including two referring to the [[Oberon/A2#Working_Directory|working directory]]. ===Git in MS Windows=== Git is available directly from the [https://git-scm.com/download/win official Web site]. ==Compilation & Linking== Although a zip archive contains all executable files of a working system, it is recreated infrequently<ref name="zipFreshening" /><!--only when a revision of language syntax requires a revision in the compiler-->. Meanwhile ongoing work produces revised sources. To benefit from source revisions subsequent to the latest zip archive, recompile sources and link a fresh kernel. In System Menu > Files > Files, [[Oberon/Glossary#glossaryMouseButtons|LM]] on "searcher" and type "Build" in the input bar. ML or [[Oberon/Glossary#glossaryMouseButtons|MM]] twice on Builds.Tool (not Build.Tool). Read the initial remarks and scroll to the appropriate platform. LINUX32 for example. Release.Build will open a viewer containing a long Compiler.Compile command. The compiler will put object and symbol files into the directory specified by --path. The default path is NewAos/ in the A2 working directory. Adjust the path if preferred. Then [[Oberon/Glossary#glossaryMouseButtons|MM]] on Release.Build. In the new viewer, MM on System.DoCommands. Compilation can require more than a minute. After compilation, close the viewer and open Builds.Tool again. Go to "Command line shell" for the chosen platform. Again note the default path NewAos/ in the working directory. MM on "Linker.Link" to produce kernel oberon beside the path directory, from executables in the path directory. The object and symbol files in NewAos are to replace those in <platform>/bin and oberon is to replace <platform>/oberon. As a precaution, the old files can be kept. # cd .../<archive>/<platform> # mv bin bin.old # mv oberon oberon.old # cd <somewhere> # mv NewAos .../<archive>/<platform>/bin # mv oberon .../<archive>/<platform> Then try the fresh system. # . .../<archive>/<platform>/a2.sh or # cd .../<archive>/<platform> # . a2.sh If A2 comes to life, celebrate. Otherwise troubleshoot. ==Working Directory== oberon.ini has two A2 commands referring to the working directory. Files.AddSearchPath work~ ... Files.SetWorkPath work~ For a different working directory edit oberon.ini. Files.AddSearchPath /home/me/myWorkingDirectory~ ... Files.SetWorkPath /home/me/myWorkingDirectory~ Alternatively, oberon.ini can be unchanged and work can be replaced with a soft link. In the freshly installed system, work is empty. In case content has been added, move for preservation. cd <A2repository>/<hardware> ls -ld work Then, for example, either mv work /home/me/savedWork or rmdir work Then create the link. ln -s /home/me/myWorkingDirectory work ==Module Naming== ===Context and Aliasing=== In a source in A2, the distinction between the system and the Oberon subsystem is referred to as context. In Text of a source module, context is identified according to [http://cas.inf.ethz.ch/projects/a2/repository/raw/trunk/LanguageReport/OberonLanguageReport.pdf Oberon (2019) Language Report], section "5 Modules". Module := 'MODULE' [TemplateParameters] Identifier 'IN' Identifier ';' ... Within the scope of a module, the name of an imported module can be [[wikt:aliased#Verb|aliased]] with this syntax also in the section referred to above. Import = Identifier [':=' Identifier] ... [[../A2/Unix.Oberon.NetSystem.Mod|Unix.Oberon.NetSystem.Mod]] illustrates context and aliasing. MODULE NetSystem IN Oberon; IMPORT S := SYSTEM, IP IN A2, DNS := DNS IN A2, TCP := TCP IN A2, UDP := UDP IN A2, Texts, Oberon, Input, Fonts, Strings, Out; ===Target Systems and File Name Extensions=== Compilation, loading, linking and associated terminology is discussed in [https://people.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/pdfs/2011_UnifiedStaticDynamicLoading.pdf https://people.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/pdfs/2011_UnifiedStaticDynamicLoading.pdf]. As in all Oberon systems, the name of a file specifying a module can differ from the name of the module. These file name extensions are conventional in A2. {| class="wikitable" |+ |- ! Target System ! Generic<ref>"Generic" refers to applicability of the loader and linker to all target systems, independent of change in language and runtime system.</ref> Object File Name Extension ! Symbol File Name Extension |- | Unix, x86, 32 bit | .GofU | .SymU |- | Unix, AMD64, 64 bit | .GofUu | .SymUu |- | Windows, x86, 32 bit | .GofW | .SymW |- | Windows, AMD64, 64 bit | .GofWw | .SymWw |- | ARM, 32 bit<ref>Allowing A2 on the [[w:Raspberry_Pi|Raspberry Pi]].</ref> | .GofA | .SymA |- | ARM, 64 bit | .GofAa | .SymAa |} ===Object and Symbol File Names=== Object and symbol file names contain the context separated from the module name by a Minus-Sign. The Minus-Sign prevents use as a proper name in Oberon. Hence the object and symbol files for the Oberon System module are named Oberon-System.GofU and Oberon-System.SymU. ==Startup from the Repository== With the A2 repository in place according to the instructions above, A2 can run. Identify supported architectures. cd <somewhere>/A2/ In MS Windows. dir /ad * In Linux. ls -d * The output should be similar to this. AosVM LanguageReport Linux32 source UnixAos Win64 ARM license.txt Linux64 tools Win32 WinAos Review the startup process. In MS Windows. dir /ad Win32/* In Linux 64. ls -ld Linux64/* [[File:LinuxA2Gen32bit.2022.10.31.png|thumb|The startup display of LinuxA2, Generic, 32 bit at 2022-10-31.]] The file oberon must be executable. Execute start script. This for a 32 bit machine running MS Windows. ./Win32/a2.bat For a 64 bit machine running Linux. ./Linux64/a2.sh or cd Linux64 ; ./a2.sh A window as at the right should appear. ==User Level Applications== Various documents and applications are available via the menu at the lower left of the A2 display. Note Demos and Docu > Program Demos. === Secure Shell Console === In the target system, localhost or an external system, install a SSH server. This is one possibility. sudo apt install openssh-server In the A2 menu invoke Tools > Secure Shell. For Host specify "localhost" or "127.0.0.1" (without the quote marks) or the name or address of the external machine. Specify your user id. Click on Connect. Provide your password when prompted. === Email === A mail client using [[w:Internet_Message_Access_Protocol|IMAP]] is at Apps > MailClient. The Oberon subsystem has Mail.Panel supporting [[w:Post_Office_Protocol|POP]], POP3 and [[w:Simple_Mail_Transfer_Protocol|SMTP]] with [[../ETH_Oberon#Email|description and instructions for ETH Oberon]] being applicable. ===Oberon Subsystem=== [[File:XO.A2.Oberon.jpg|thumb|The Oberon subsystem in UnixAos on an [[w:OLPC_XO#Release_history|XO-1.5]].]] <!-- {{clear}} --> At the lower left of the A2 screen, menu Tools > Oberon and Develop > Oberon FullScreen allow interactive startup of an Oberon subsystem. The subsystem can also be opened with a command or commands in the Autostart section of Configuration.XML. In UnixAos, revision 4929, these lines in Configuration.XML. &#60;Section name="Autostart"> &#9;... &#9;&#60;Setting name="OberonDisplay" value="OberonDisplay.Install Oberon 1100x704 0 74 ~"/> &#9;&#60;Setting name="OberonStart" value="Oberon.Call System.Init Oberon"/> This in more recent revisions<ref name="OberonStart"/>. &#60;Section name="Autostart"> &#9;... &#9;&#60;Setting name="Start an Oberon" value="Oberon.Start Oberon 1100x704 0 74 ~"/> The dimensions, 1100x704, can be adjusted for satisfactory proportioning of text in a viewer. If the Oberon window is stretched, by grabbing the lower right corner with the mouse, the proportionality of text to viewer is preserved. Mouse usage is unusual but efficient. Definitely worth the small effort to learn. A mouse with three buttons or two buttons and a wheel is almost essential. The &#60;Esc> key is used to interrupt a task. For example it can interrupt a long running FTP.GetFiles. &#60;F1> sets the * marker. &#60;F2> clears all marks. If a mouse button is pressed unintentionally, all mouse buttons pressed together before releasing any will have no effect. Comprehensive details of mouse and keyboard input and usage are in [[Oberon/ETH_Oberon/mouse|Mouse support]], [[Oberon/ETH_Oberon/Tutorial/Mouse|Mouse tutorial]] and [[Oberon/ETH_Oberon/keyboard|Keyboard support]] pages. ===Telnet Console in Oberon=== [[w:Telnet|Telnet]] is an insecure protocol but provides a host console within the Oberon sub-system. The [[../ETH_Oberon#Telnet_Console|instructions for ETH Oberon]] are applicable in the Oberon subsystem. ===News Reader in Oberon=== [[File:OberonNews.Tool.png|thumb|A screenshot of News.Tool.]] As with mail servers, news servers now require authentication. Therefore revisions of the [[Oberon/A2/Oberon.News.Mod|NetSystem]] and [[Oberon/A2/Oberon.News.Mod|News]] modules are required to support authentication. Compile the revised modules. {{clear}} ==Text== {{:Oberon/A2/TextType}} ==Module Sources, Tools and Configuration Texts== A tiny sample of the approximately 2000 sources in A2. A contemporary [[w:Firefox|Firefox]] browser attempts to infer "Content type" from the [[w:List_of_filename_extensions|name extension]]. By default Firefox infers wrongly that source file *.Mod contains "Amiga SoundTracker audio" and fails to open it. This difficulty is resolved by adjusting the "Action" Firefox associates with "Content Type". Open [[w:hamburger menu|hamburger menu]] > Settings > General > Applications. For "Amiga SoundTracker audio" choose an editor such as /usr/bin/mousepad or /usr/bin/gedit. Most sources in A2 have been converted to [[w:Plain_text|plain ASCII text]]; some remain as [[Oberon#Oberon_Text|Oberon Text]]. Gedit will open all of these. Mousepad and several other editors will not open Oberon Text. Content type "plain text document" should also be set to the chosen editor. With these adjustments Firefox should open most of the files in the repository. In some contexts the user may fail to find a configuration of a browser to open files in the repository. In any case a browser should open the Wikibook copy. {| class="wikitable" |+ ! [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/ ETHZ Repository] !! Wikibook<ref name="WikiSource"/> !! Notes |- | [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/BIOS.V24.Mod BIOS.V24.Mod] | [[../A2/BIOS.V24.Mod/|BIOS.V24.Mod]] | &#160; |- | [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/BootManager.Asm BootManager.Asm] | [[../A2/BootManager.Asm/|BootManager.Asm]] | BootManager source written in Network Assembler by Andr&#233; Fischer. |- | [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/BootManager.Mod BootManager.Mod] | [[../A2/BootManager.Mod/|BootManager.Mod]] | Module containing one command Split.<ref><code>BootManager.Split BootManager.Bin</code> is executed to divide BootManager.Bin into BootManagerMBR.Bin and BootManagerTail.Bin. For additional details, refer to the [[../A2/BootManager/|instructional document]] of Andr&#233; Fischer.</ref> |- | [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/BootManager.Text BootManager.Text] | [[../A2/BootManager/|BootManager]] | Instructional document written by Andr&#233; Fischer. In the repository and in MediaWiki representation. |- | [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/BootManager.Tool BootManager.Tool] | [[../A2/BootManager.Tool/|BootManager.Tool]] | Tool file summarizing the instructional document. |- | [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/Oberon.Configuration.Mod Oberon.Configuration.Mod] | &#160; | &#160; |- | <!-- [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/Configuration.XML Configuration.XML] --> | [[../A2/Configuration.XML|Configuration.XML]] | &#160; |- | [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/Oberon.Desktops.Mod Oberon.Desktops.Mod] | &#160; | &#160; |- | [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/Oberon.Documents.Mod Oberon.Documents.Mod] | [[../A2/Oberon.Documents.Mod|Oberon.Documents.Mod]] | &#160; |- | [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/Oberon.ET.Mod Oberon.ET.Mod] | &#160; | &#160; |- | [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/Oberon.Files.Mod Oberon.Files.Mod] | &#160; | &#160; |- | [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/Oberon.Gadgets.Mod Oberon.Gadgets.Mod] | [[../A2/Oberon.Gadgets.Mod|Oberon.Gadgets.Mod]] | &#160; |- | [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/Oberon.HTML.Mod Oberon.HTML.Mod] | [[../A2/Oberon.HTML.Mod|Oberon.HTML.Mod]] | Revisions for conformance to HTML5. |- | &#160; | [[Oberon/A2/Oberon.HTML.Tool|HTML.Tool]] | No "preview" in the ETH Repository. |- | [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/Oberon.HTMLDocs.Mod Oberon.HTMLDocs.Mod] | [[../A2/Oberon.HTMLDocs.Mod|Oberon.HTMLDocs.Mod]] | InitEntities() expanded to support more characters. <!-- |- | [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/Oberon.Input.Mod Oberon.Input.Mod] | [[../A2/Oberon.Input.Mod|Oberon.Input.Mod]] | &#160; --> |- | [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/Oberon.ISO9660Files.Mod Oberon.ISO9660Files.Mod] | &#160; | &#160; |- | [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/Oberon.ISO9660Volumes.Mod Oberon.ISO9660Volumes.Mod] | &#160; | &#160; |- | [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/Oberon.MIME.Mod Oberon.MIME.Mod] | [[../A2/Oberon.MIME.Mod|Oberon.MIME.Mod]] | &#160; |- | [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/Oberon.Mail.Mod Oberon.Mail.Mod] | [[../A2/Oberon.Mail.Mod|Oberon.Mail.Mod]] | Deviation from [[w:Simple_Mail_Transfer_Protocol|SMTP]] corrected. Wrap() added. Names of types revised. Show() revised. Calculation of cont.len corrected.<!-- Bug in ReadResponse() corrected. Authentication added to OpenSMTP(). --> |- | [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/Oberon.MultiMail.Mod Oberon.MultiMail.Mod] | [[../A2/Oberon.MultiMail.Mod|Oberon.MultiMail.Mod]] | <!-- Authentication added to OpenSMTP(). --> |- | [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/Oberon.News.Mod Oberon.News.Mod] | [[../A2/Oberon.News.Mod|Oberon.News.Mod]] | Authentication added to allow access to contemporary servers. |- | &#160; | [[../A2/Oberon.MediaWiki.Mod|Oberon.MediaWiki.Mod]] | Not in A2 repository. |- | [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/Oberon.Objects.Mod Oberon.Objects.Mod] | &#160; | &#160; |- | rowspan="2" | [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/Oberon.Out.Mod Oberon.Out.Mod] | [[../A2/Oberon.Out.Mod|Oberon.Out.Mod]] | Allow delay of execution of Append, using a [[w:Bit_field|flag]] variable. |- | [[../A2/Oberon.Out1.Mod|Oberon.Out1.Mod]] | Allow delay of execution of Append, using a procedure variable. |- | [[../A2/Oberon.OutStub.Mod|Oberon.OutStub.Mod]] | [[../A2/Oberon.OutStub.Mod|Oberon.OutStub.Mod]] | &#160; |- |[https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/QuotedPrintable.Mod Oberon.QuotedPrintable.Mod] |[[../A2/Oberon.QuotedPrintable.Mod|Oberon.QuotedPrintable.Mod]] |Variant from LinuxA2 Gen. 32-bit, rev.9527. |- | &#160; | [[../A2/Oberon.RFC3986.Mod|Oberon.RFC3986.Mod]] | Percent encoding and decoding of URL. Not in A2 repository. |- | [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/Oberon.Sort.Mod Oberon.Sort.Mod] | [[../A2/Oberon.Sort.Mod|Oberon.Sort.Mod]] | Better presentation of output. Revisions incomplete. |- | [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/Oberon.Streams.Mod Oberon.Streams.Mod] | &#160; | &#160; |- | [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/Oberon.Strings.Mod Oberon.Strings.Mod] | &#160; | &#160; |- | [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/Oberon.TFTPTool.Mod Oberon.TFTPTool.Mod] | [[../A2/Oberon.TFTPTool.Mod|Oberon.TFTPTool.Mod]] | |- | [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/Oberon.TextDocs.Mod Oberon.TextDocs.Mod] | &#160; | &#160; |- | [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/Oberon.TextFrames.Mod Oberon.TextFrames.Mod] | [[../A2/Oberon.TextFrames.Mod|Oberon.TextFrames.Mod]] | LOOPs removed. |- | [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/Oberon.Texts.Mod Oberon.Texts.Mod] | &#160; | &#160; |- | [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/Oberon.V24.Mod Oberon.V24.Mod] | [[../A2/Oberon.V24.Mod|Oberon.V24.Mod]] | &#160; |- | <span id="Oberon.Text"></span>[https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/Release.Oberon.Text Release.Oberon.Text] | [[../A2/Oberon.Text|Oberon.Text]] | Usually Oberon.Text is customized to a user. |- | [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/TFTP.Mod TFTP.Mod] | [[../A2/TFTP.Mod|TFTP.Mod]] | |- | [https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/Unix.Machine.Mod Unix.Machine.Mod] | &#160; | &#160; |- | <span id="Oberon.NetSystem">[https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon/-/blob/main/source/Unix.Oberon.NetSystem.Mod Unix.Oberon.NetSystem.Mod]</span> | [[../A2/Unix.Oberon.NetSystem.Mod|Unix.Oberon.NetSystem.Mod]] | Terminology improved. Local procedures moved out of SetUser. RETURN usage updated. Flag "ok" eliminated. Flag "verbose" added to simplify password debugging. Numerous comments clarified. |- | &#160; | [[../A2/myaos|myaos]] | Start script for UnixAos allowing use of a removable working store on multiple machines and adaptable to requirements of user. Not in A2 repository. |- | &#160; | [[../A2/mya2|mya2]] | Start script for UnixA2 allowing use of a removable working store on multiple machines and adaptable to requirements of user. Not in A2 repository. |- | &#160; | [[../A2/MyA2|MyA2]] | Start script for UnixA2 allowing use of a removable working store on multiple machines and adaptable to requirements of user. Not in A2 repository. |} ==Potential Developments== * A [[w:Text-based_user_interface|TUI]] similar to ETH Oberon. * Improved HTML support. Support for styling and tables, for example. * [[w:Touchscreen|Touchscreen]] support. ==Footnotes== {{Reflist|refs= <ref name="Git">The Git repository, described subsequently, is a more recent method of installation and release tracking.</ref> <ref name="linePrefix">The command line prefix in a Unix-like system is user configurable and can be configured to the empty string. For simplicity, the prefix is omitted in most of the commands shown here.</ref> <ref name="filesystemCheck">A filesystem can become corrupted if not unmounted before the system is shut down. The directory can also be damaged by natural degradation of the storage media. If the filesystem is intact, the execution time for e2fsck is negligible.</ref> <ref name="OberonStart">The Oberon subsystem is invoked with MenuPage30.XML. The change from two commands to one is reported by <code>svn&#160;diff&#160;-r&#160;5253:5254&#160;.../MenuPage30.XML</code></ref>. <ref name="zipFreshening">A fresh ZIP archive is created at least when a revision of language syntax requires a revision in the compiler.</ref> <ref name="WikiSource">In some cases the Wikibook copy differs from the latest file in the ETHZ repository. For an exact comparison, use a file comparator; Diff.Do in Oberon, [[w:Comm|comm]] in Linux. Some sources have a discussion page. [[Talk:Oberon/A2/Oberon.Mail.Mod|Oberon.Mail.Mod discussion]] for example.</ref> <ref name="Text">See [[Oberon/Text|Oberon/Text]].</ref> }} <br> {{center|[[Oberon/Linz Oberon, V4|<span class="mw-ui-button" style="border-style: solid; border-width: 1px; display: inline-block; margin: auto; width: 13em; text-align: center; Background-color:#F0FFFF;">&#x2190; Linz Oberon, V4</span>]] [[Oberon|<span class="mw-ui-button" style="border-style: solid; border-width: 1px; display: inline-block; margin: auto; width: 13em; text-align: center; Background-color:#F0FFFF;">&#x2191; Oberon front page</span>]] [[Oberon/V5|<span class="mw-ui-button" style="border-style: solid; border-width: 1px; display: inline-block; margin: auto; width: 13em; text-align: center; Background-color:#F0FFFF;">V5 &#x2192;</span>]]}} {{BookCat}} 3fnhy6of15v7rpa6kkef5xs6q2jxduh 0 384906 4654268 4653421 2026-07-13T02:25:37Z Boris1951zz 3378369 /* {{font|size=4|color=#2a3439|Sub-group PC-F: Franks generated by EasyPost software, with "easypost" in the frank}} */ 4654268 wikitext text/x-wiki ==<span style="font-size: x-large;"><span style="color: #1F75FE;">'''GROUP PC: Special designs generated by personal computer'''</span></span>== [[United_States_Postage_Meter_Stamp_Catalog |<span style="font-size: small;">''<u>Click here to return to the United States Postage Meter Stamp Catalog</u>''</span>]] {{font/top|size=3|color=#08457E}} '''NOTE''': ''All the stamps listed here are valid only on the date generated. PC stamps with unrestricted validity, i.e. savable for future use, are more like traditional stamps than meter stamps and thus are not cataloged here. PC stamps with unrestricted validity are cataloged in '''<i>USA: Variable Denomination Stamps (1989-2020)</i>''' by Karim Roder (available on Amazon).'' * Group PC stamps can vary considerably in size, font styles, and color within the same stamp type depending on personal printer settings, available fonts, etc. Size variations or colors other than black are unusual but are user controlled variables (an attempt will be made to note said varieties in the usage lists). * The stamps are found on plain paper and adhesive labels depending on what the user has in his printer. Self-adhesive labels are sold by the various PC stamp companies and also by outside vendors. These labels exist both with and without fluorescent tagging. As with color and font, paper or label type is a user controlled variable, however to a great extent the parameters are set by United States Postal Service ( see: https://postalpro.usps.com/parcellabelingguide). It is recommended that the collector save the '''entire label'''. * PC stamps are often found in a frame at the top right of large address labels. To the left of the stamp is a smaller frame containing a large letter or number representing the class of mail. Codes found are: "'''1'''" (first class), "'''fcm'''" (first class), "'''P'''" (priority), "'''E'''" (express), "'''M'''" (media), "'''T'''" (parcel post), solid block (media, or other), "'''H'''" (Hazardous), "'''G'''" (Ground Advantage), "'''X'''" (Media). Not all the codes are found with all the stamp types that use the labels. * 2-Dimensional barcodes occur in two major types and several subtypes: ::::: PDF417 A horizontally stacked 2-dimensional barcode, each consists of 2 punctuators, 2 indicators and a variable number of data blocks. :::::: subvariety PDF417(4) has 4 datablocks [[File: PDF417-224.png|right|250px]] :::::: subvariety PDF417(6) has 6 datablocks [[File: PDF417-226.png|right|275px]] :::::: subvariety PDF417(7) has 7 datablocks [[File: PDF417-227.png|right|300px]] :::::: subvariety PDF417(8) has 8 datablocks [[File: PDF417-228.png|right|350px]] :::::: subvariety PDF417(9) has 9 datablocks [[File: PDF417-229.png|right|375px]] :::::: subvariety PDF417(12) has 12 datablocks [[File: PDF417-2212.png|right|400px]] ::::: Data matrix is a 2 dimensional barcode consisting of square or rectangular data blocks :::::: subvariety DM-2H ("'''IBI-Lite'''") has 2 datablocks arranged horizontally [[File: DM-2HZ.png|right|100px]] :::::: subvariety DM-2V ("'''IBI-Lite'''") has 2 datablocks arranged vertically [[File: DM-2VR.png|right|50px]] :::::: subvariety DM-4 has 4 datablocks arranged as a square [[File: DM-4SQ.png|right|100px]] * PC stamps on labels the sizes of which are recommended by the '''USPS''', the sizes are 4 inches by 6 inches ('''FS''') in two subvarieties, 4 inches by 4 inches ('''FF'''), 6 inches by 2 inches ('''ST'''), and a form for customs declaration included. Many illustrations in the listings are of size 'FS' but with only one or two of the 5 or six horizontal sections of the label. [[File: ST size.png|right|200px]] [[File: FS5 size.jpg|left|200px]] [[File: FF size.png|center|200px]] [[File: CF size.png|center|400px]] <br>{{center/top}}* * * {{font|size=3|color=red|'''''NOTE''': <br>Several stamps in Group Q resemble stamps in Group PC. If you don't find what you are looking for here, check there.''}}{{center/end}} {{font/end}} <br><br> ---- ===={{font|size=4|color=#2a3439|Sub-group PC-A: Franks from E-Stamp software, ID numbers with 05#E prefix}}==== {{font/top|size=3|color=#0018A8}} * All stamps have large, negative “e” logo at top right and "PDF417" bar code across the bottom with identification number at bottom right. * "US Postage" and date are at top center, usually below a mail classification statement. * Found both with and without FIM barcode at top left and also with and without slogan or directional slug at left. * One hundred FD covers were prepared by E-Stamp in cooperation with the National Postal Museum on March 31, 1998. Trials took place for several more months. The first day of national availability was September 27, 1999. * Although we must assume other mail classes were available, only '''First Class''', '''First-Class''', '''Priority''', and '''Priority Mail''' have been reported. * E-stamp ceased operations at the end of 2000. {{font/end}} {{font|size=3|color=red|'''''NOTE''': <br>For information on the various types of 2 dimensional barcodes see introduction to "'''Group PC'''" above''}} ---- <br> {{font|size=1|color=blue|''Type '''RA1a''' in 2001 edition''}}[[File: USA stamp type PC-A1 FDC stamp.jpg|right|425px]] '''PC-A1.10.''' March 31, 1998. {{space|2}} [RR] : This stamp is found only on the First Day Covers prepared by E-Stamp and the National Postal Museum. ({{font|size=2|''See above''}}). They were sold for $100 each. : The value figures are large, 4mm tall. : With "FIM" barcode at top left and PDF(7) 2-D barcode across the bottom. : Mail class: "First Class" ({{font|size=2|''without hyphen''}}). : Identification number with 051E prefix. : V/F: {{space|4}} {{font|size=5|$0'''.'''00^<u>o</u>}} {{space|4}} ({{font|size=2|''large figures, 4mm tall''}}) '''PC-A1.11.''' 1998. {{space|2}} [RR][[File: PC-A1.11 251004.png|right|375px]] : This stamp is found only on covers by the National Postal Museum. ({{font|size=2|''See above''}}). They were sold for $100 each. : The value figures are smaller than on "'''PC-A1.10'''" but larger than on "'''PC-A1.2'''" ettc. : With "FIM" barcode at top left and PDF(7) 2-D barcode across the bottom. : Mail class: "First Class" ({{font|size=2|''with hyphen''}}). : Identification number with 051E prefix and about the same length as in "'''PC-A1.10'''" : V/F: {{space|4}} {{font|size=5|$0'''.'''00^<u>o</u>}} {{space|4}} ({{font|size=2|''large figures, about 3½mm tall''}}) {{font|size=1|color=blue|''Type '''RA1e''' in 2001 edition''}}[[File: USA PC-A2.jpg|right|380px]] '''PC-A1.2.''' 1998. {{space|2}} [S] : As Type PC-A1.1 but with smaller value figures, 2 to 3mm tall. : With "FIM" barcode at top left and PDF(7) 2-D barcode across the bottom. : "e-stamp.com" normally at bottom left below the barcode. : ID# with 051E, 052E or 053E prefix. : V/F: {{space|4}} $0'''.'''00 {{space|4}} ({{font|size=2|''small figures, 2-3mm tall''}}) : <u>Mail classes</u>: ^{{{font|color=red|♦}}} :: '''A'''. First-Class ({{font|size=2|''with hyphen''}}) :: '''B1'''. Priority {{space|2}} [R] :: '''B2'''. Priority Mail {{space|2}} [R] :: '''a'''. With "Additional" instead of mail class above "US Postage" {{space|2}} [R] :: '''b'''. With recipient's identity instead of "e-stamp.com" at left below bar code field {{space|2}} [RR] :: '''c'''. With 4-digit ZIP code {{font|color=red|♦}} {{font|size=2|"Express" (or "Express Mail") was an option but has not been reported by collectors.}} {{font|size=3|color=red|'''''NOTE''': <br>For information on the various types of 2 dimensional barcodes see introduction to "'''Group PC'''" above''}} {{font|size=1|color=blue|''Types '''RA1c and d''' in 2001 edition''}}[[File: USA meter stamp PC-A1p3A.jpg|right|380px]] '''PC-A1.3.''' {{space|2}} [S] : As Type PC-A1.2 but value figures show decimal fractions of a cent and have wide spacing between the dollar sign and the decimal digit with the other figures. : ID# with 051E, 052E or 053E prefix. : With "FIM" barcode at top left and PDF(7) 2-D barcode across the bottom. : The mail classes are the same as for PC-A1.2. :: '''A'''. V/F regular: {{space|4}} ${{space|2}} 0'''.'''00{{space|2}} ^<u>o</u> :: '''B'''. V/F italic: {{space|4}} ''${{space|2}} 0'''.'''00{{space|2}} ^<u>o</u>'' :: '''a'''. With "Additional" instead of mail class above "US Postage" {{space|2}} [R] {{font|size=1|color=blue|''Type '''RA1b''' in 2001 edition''}}[[File: USA meter stamp PC-A1.4A.jpg|right|535px]] '''PC-A1.4.''' : As PC-A1.3B but the value figures are spaced closely together. : With "FIM" barcode at top left and PDF(12) 2-D barcode across the bottom. :: '''A'''. Destination town name at bottom left below the barcode, and ID# with 051E prefix {{space|4}} [RRRR]^{{{font|color=red|♦}}} :: '''B'''. "e-stamp.com" at bottom left below the barcode, and ID# with 053E prefix {{space|4}} [S] : The mail classes are the same as for PC-A1.2. : V/F italic: {{space|4}} ''$0'''.'''00^<u>o</u> '' :: '''a'''. With "Additional" instead of mail class above "US Postage" {{space|2}} [R] {{font|color=red|♦}} {{font|size=2|Type PC-A1.4A is possibly the first E-stamp placed in use with paying customers, earlier than when PC-A1.2, PC-A1.3, and PC-A1.4B were issued.}} {{font|size=1|color=blue|''Type '''RA2''' in 2001 edition''}}[[File: USA meter stamp PC-A2.jpg|right|380px]] '''PC-A2.''' March 2000. {{space|2}} [S] : As Type PC-A1.2 but the inscriptions are larger. : "e-stamp.com" at bottom left below the barcode. : With PDF(7) 2-D barcode across the bottom. : ID# with 053E prefix. : V/F: {{space|4}} $ 0'''.'''00 : <u>Mail classes</u>: ^{{{font|color=red|♦}}} :: '''A'''. First-Class ({{font|size=2|''with hyphen''}}) :: '''B'''. Priority Mail {{space|2}} [S] [[File: USA PC-A2a.jpg|right|380px]] :: '''a'''. With "Additional" instead of mail class above "US Postage" ({{font|size=2|''see below''}}) {{space|2}} [R] :: '''b'''. "Mailed From ZIP Code" town line with 4-digit ZIP code instead of normal 5-digit code {{space|2}} [RR] {{font|color=red|♦}} {{font|size=2|"Express" (or "Express Mail") was an option but has not been reported by collectors.}} ---- ===={{font|size=4|color=#2a3439|Sub-group PC-B: Franks from Neopost software, ID numbers with 04#N or NO4#N prefix}}==== {{font/top|size=3|color=#0018A8}} * The stamp designs are quite different from each other. One has a four-pointed star logo, two have a torch in hand logo, and one has no logo. Even the bar codes are dissimilar. * Neopost was the second company to enter the PC postage business with an experimental design sometime in early 1998. Circumstances of the trial remain unknown to us. * Stamps are found both with and without FIM barcode at top left. Examples are not known with slogan or slug. * <u>Classes of mail seen on PC-B stamps</u>: ::{| | '''A.''' {{space|4}} FIRST CLASS LTR [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|35px]] | '''F.''' {{space|4}} PRIORITY ZONE 2 [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|35px]] | '''M.''' {{space|4}} INTL LETTER |- | {{space|4}} '''Aa.''' {{space|4}} 1ST CLASS LTR | '''G.''' {{space|4}} PRIORITY ZONE 3 | '''N.''' {{space|4}} INTL CAN LTR |- | '''B.''' {{space|4}} 1ST CLASS OVERSZ | '''H.''' {{space|4}} PRIORITY ZONE 4 | '''P.''' {{space|4}} INTL MEX LTR |- | {{space|4}} '''Ba.''' {{space|4}} 1ST CLASS OVSZ | '''I.''' {{space|4}} PRIORITY ZONE 5 | '''Q.''' {{space|4}} NEXT DAY EXP MAIL |- | '''C'''. {{space|4}} PRIORITY MAIL | '''J.''' {{space|4}} PRIORITY ZONE 6 | '''R.''' {{space|4}} MEDIA MAIL |- | '''D.''' {{space|4}} PRIORITY LOCAL | '''K.''' {{space|4}} PRIORITY ZONE 7 |- | '''E.''' {{space|4}} PRIORITY ZONE 1 | '''L.''' {{space|4}} PRIORITY ZONE 8 |} * Mail classes E through L were discontinued in June 2002. Examples are exceptionally rare. Most mail classes except the First Class variations are scarce to very rare. * Neopost PC stamps became available nationally in May 1999. {{font|size=3|color=red|'''''NOTE''': <br>For information on the various types of 2 dimensional barcodes see introduction to "'''Group PC'''" above''}} {{font/end}} ---- <br> '''PC-B1.''' {{font|color=green|''The stamp previously cataloged here has not been found used on actual mail. For this reason the Type has been deleted and the stamp re-cataloged as Type ESY-DF2 in the Essay section.''}} {{font|size=1|color=blue|''Type '''RC1''' in 2001 edition''}}[[File: USA PC-D1.jpg|right|360px]] '''PC-B2. ”Postage Plus”™''', '''“PC Stamp™”''', 1998. {{space|2}} [RRR] : This too is an experimental stamp. It was first seen in live tests in and near Washington DC and parts of northern California. It was offered nationally in May 1999 but saw little use. : The stamp was used by two different systems, "Postage Plus" which used a live internet connection, and "PC Stamp" which downloaded postage credit into a rented hardware vault. : The design shows at top right two horizontal bars with "U.S. POSTAGE" above the top one and the town line below the bottom one. Between the bars at right are a torch-in-hand logo left of small "U.S. POSTAGE" reading up. Also between the ars are the class of mail, the value figures (centered), and the date. : PDF417(7) barcode across the bottom : With "DEVICE and identification number at bottom right. : Meter number with N041N, N041NA, or 041N prefix. : V/F: {{space|4}} $0'''.'''00 :: '''a'''. With "CORRECTION" at bottom left :: '''b'''. With "FIM" baarcode at top left {{font|size=3|color=red|'''''NOTE''': <br>For information on the various types of 2 dimensional barcodes see introduction to "'''Group PC'''" above''}} {{font|size=1|color=blue|''Type '''RC2a''' in 2001 edition''}}[[File: USA meter stamp PC-B3.1.jpg|right|390px]] '''PC-B3.1. “Simply Postage”™''', 1998. {{space|2}} [RR] : Produced by an internet-connected labeling device. : Similar to PC-B2 with torch-in-hand logo and point of sale data mixed with two horizontal bars, but otherwise quite different. : The stamp is found only on self-adhesive labels with rounded corners and fluorescent red bar across the bottom edge. : "U.S. POSTAGE" is vertical at far right just left of a double line of micro-printing reading "NEOPOSTNEOPOST..." vertically. : Between the bars are the identification number, value figures, and date. Below the bottom bar is the town line, '''MAILED FROM''' and ZIP code. : Stamp with "PDF417(9)" bar code. : Meter number with N042N prefix. : Large value figures, 4½ to 5mm tall : V/F: {{space|4}} $Ø'''.'''ØØ ({{font|size=2|''with slashed zeros''}}) {{font|size=1|color=blue|''Type '''RC2b''' in 2001 edition''}}[[File: USA PC-D2.jpg|right|380px]] '''PC-B3.2. “Simply Postage” '''. {{space|2}} [RR] : As Type PC-B3.1 but the value figures have a tenths of a cent figure. : Stamp with "PDF417(9)" bar code. : Meter number with N042N prefix. : V/F: {{space|4}} $Ø'''.'''ØØ<u>ø</u> {{font|size=1|color=blue|''Type '''SA1A''' in 2001 edition''}}[[File: USA PC-F1A.jpg|right|330px]] '''PC-B4.1. “ProMail” ''', 1998? {{space|2}} [S] : Produced by an internet-connected labeling device. : Also printed on self-adhesive labels this stamp is much smaller than the PC-B3 stamps and contains the point-of-sale data at left and a square "Datamatrix (DM-4)" bar code at right. : Point-of-sale data have the value figures at top followed by the class of mail, '''MAILED FROM''' (ZIP code) town line, "U.S. POSTAGE", date and identification number. : Fluorescent bar at far left just outside two lines of micro-printing reading "NEOPOSTNEOPOST..." vertically. : Meter number with 045N prefix. : V/F: {{space|4}} $Ø'''.'''ØØø {{font|size=1|color=blue|''Type '''SA1B''' in 2001 edition''}}[[File: USA PC-F1B.jpg|right|330px]] '''PC-B4.2. “ProMail” '''. {{space|2}} [S] : As Type PC-B4.1 but the value figures are slightly larger and the text is slightly bolder. : square "Datamatrix (DM-4)" bar code at right. : Labels have fluorescent bar at right. : Meter number with 047N prefix. : V/F: {{space|4}} $Ø'''.'''ØØø {{font|size=3|color=red|'''''NOTE''': <br>For information on the various types of 2 dimensional barcodes see introduction to "'''Group PC'''" above''}} ---- ===={{font|size=4|color=#2a3439|Sub-group PC-C: Franks generated by software from Stamps.com (StampMaster before 1999), ID numbers with 06#S prefix}}==== {{font/top|color=#0018A8|size=3}} * The first stamp design has a negative {{space|1}}<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: black;">'''S'''</span></span>{{space|1}} in oval logo. All others contain {{space|1}}<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: black;">'''stamps.com'''</span></span>{{space|1}} somewhere in the design. Some time after Stamps.com acquired Endicia in November 2015 (see Sub-group PC-E) the logo {{space|1}}<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: black;">'''stamps'''_{'''endicia'''}</span></span>{{space|1}} came into use (see Sub-group PC-I). The individual divisions (Stamps and Endicia) have since returned to a semi-independent status. * The stamps are found both with and without a FIM barcode at upper left. * <u>Mail classes found with PC-C stamps</u>: :: {{space|4}} FIRST CLASS, FIRST CLASS MAIL, FCI (first class international) <span style="color: red;">♦</span> :: {{space|4}} PRIORITY MAIL <span style="color: red;">♦</span> :: {{space|4}} EXPRESS MAIL <span style="color: red;">♦</span> :: {{space|4}} MEDIA MAIL <span style="color: red;">♦</span> : <span style="color: red;">♦</span> Collectors should be aware that the primary mail classes are found in a multitude of variations. For example, FIRST CLASS can be found as FIRST-CLASS PKG RATE, FIRST-CLASS MAIL PARCEL, FIRST-CLASS PACKAGE INTL, USPS FIRST CLASS MAIL, etc.. We do not know them all. Please inform the catalog manager regarding something different ("'''Alan Knutson, boris1951@charter.net'''") if possible also include a scan. * The StampMaster/stamps.com system was first trialed in the Washington DC area and in parts of California sometime before August 1998. It was made available nationally on September 27, 1999. * PC stamps on labels the sizes of which are recommended by the '''USPS''', the sizes are 4 inches by 6 inches ('''FS''') in two subvarieties, 4 inches by 4 inches ('''FF'''), 6 inches by 2 inches ('''ST'''), and a form for customs declaration included. Many illustrations in the listings are of size 'FS' but with only one or two of the 5 or six horizontal sections of the label. [[File: ST size.png|right|200px]] [[File: FS5 size.jpg|left|200px]] [[File: FF size.png|center|200px]] [[File: CF size.png|center|400px]] {{font/end}} <br>{{center/top}}* * * {{font|size=3|color=red|'''''NOTE''': <br>Several stamps in Group Q resemble stamps in Group PC. If you don't find what you are looking for here, check there.''}}{{center/end}} <br><br> <br> ---- <br><br> [[File: USMETER22041502.png|right|300px]] {{font/top|size=2|color=red}} '''Type Note: In the following listings, the descriptions will often include specific details regarding the mailing label "'''size FS5 (with 5 horizontal boxes, A thru E) or size FS6 (with six horizontal boxes, A thru F)'''", they will referenced as follows''' ::::: Panel or Box A: '''USPS insignia''' ('' sometimes not present'') ::::: Panel or Box B: oftentimes subdivided {{font|size=2|color=blue|['''USPS''' ''Service Icon/ Postage Payment'']}} ::::::: Box B1 "'''F, P.'''" etc,{{font|size=2|color=blue| ['''USPS''' ''Service Icon'']}} ::::::: Box B2 includes, barcode, date, identification number {{font|size=2|color=blue|['''USPS''' ''Postage Payment'']}} ::::: Panel or Box C: Mail Class {{font|size=2|color=blue|['''USPS''' ''Service Banner'']}} ::::: Panel or Box D: Address {{font|size=2|color=blue|['''USPS''' ''Address and Delivery Information Segment'']}} ::::: Panel or Box E: Tracking number/Bar code {{font|size=2|color=blue|['''USPS''' ''Intelligent Mail package barcode segment'']}} ::::: Panel or Box F: often times blank ('' sometimes not present'') {{font|size=2|color=blue|['''USPS''' ''Additional Information and User Segment'']}} : <u>''' [[/Mail class and other descriptive types/|Click here for Mail Class type description]]'''</u> {{font/end}} <br><br> ---- <br> {{font|size=1|color=blue|''Type '''RB1''' in 2001 edition''}}[[File: USA PC-C1.jpg|right|340px]] '''PC-C1. StampMaster''', summer 1998. {{space|2}} [RRRR] : Experimental stamp with negative “S”/Internet Postage logo at top center. : At top right are value figures, mail class, "US POSTAGE”, and date. : "PDF417(7)" bar code across bottom with town line below at left and identification number below at right. : Identification number with 061S prefix. : V/F: {{space|4}} $0'''.'''00<u>o</u> {{font|size=3|color=red|'''''NOTE''': <br>For information on the various types of 2 dimensional barcodes see introduction to "'''Group PC'''" above''}} {{font|size=1|color=blue|''Type '''RB2''' in 2001 edition''}}[[File: USA PC-C2.jpg|right|360px]] '''PC-C2.1. stamps.com''', 1999. : As Type PC-C1 but with "stamps.com" logo instead of the '''S''' in oval logo. : "FIM" barcode at upper left : At top right are the value figures, date, "US POSTAGE", mail class, and town line. : 2-D barcode PDF417(6} across lower portion : "STAMPS.COM" is below left of the bar code. : Identification number with 061S or 062S prefix below right of bar code. : V/F: {{space|4}} $0'''.'''00<u>o</u> [[File: USA PC-C2 redate.jpg|right|180px]] :: '''a'''. With "ADDITIONAL POSTAGE" instead of class of mail below "US Postage" :: '''b'''. With "CORRECTION" instead of class of mail below "US Postage" :: '''c'''. With bottom line missing, blank below bar code :: '''d'''. Bottom line present but without bar code :: '''e'''. With "MAIL TO:" and ZIP code above left of the bar code :: '''f'''. With nonsense characters across the bottom (''system malfunction'') '''NOTES''': * The "stamps.com" logo can vary considerably in size. * The system could produce a re-date stamp without postage value, as shown (''right''). * For a similar type inscribed "'''Stamps /Endicia '''" see "'''PC-I'''" {{font|size=1|color=blue|''Type '''RB3''' in 2001 edition''}}[[File: USA PC-C3.jpg|right|360px]] [[File: USA PC-C3 redate.jpg|right|200px]] '''PC-C2.2.''' 2000. : As Type PC-C2.1 but with larger inscriptions. : Identification number with 062S prefix below right of 2D "PDF417(6)" barcode. : Town line with town, state and ZIP code or with '''MAILED FROM''' and ZIP code. : V/F: {{space|4}} $0'''.'''00<u>o</u> [[File:USA stamp type PC2p2 label.jpg|right|360px]] :: '''a'''. With "ADDITIONAL POSTAGE" instead of class of mail below "US Postage" :: '''b'''. With "CORRECTION" instead of class of mail below "US Postage" :: '''c'''. With bottom line missing (blank below bar code) :: '''d'''. With "MAIL TO:" and ZIP code above left of the bar code :: '''e'''. With mailer's name replacing town line :: '''f'''. With "'''FIM'''" barcode at the upper left. '''NOTES''': * The NOTES below PC-C2.1 apply to PC-C2.2 also. * These stamps can be printed directly to the mail piece or on labels. Stamps.com provided L-shaped labels with pink fluorescent bars along the top and right. * For a similar type inscribed "'''Stamps /Endicia '''" see "'''PC-I'''" [[File: USA PC-C4B.jpg|right|500px]] '''PC-C2.3.1''' 2005. : At top left: postage value above "US POSTAGE" and class of mail. : At top right: meter identification number with 062S prefix above "FROM" and ZIP code. : "Stamps.com” logo at far right of 2D "PDF417(7)" barcode. : Basic stamp without framing : V/F: {{space|4}} $(0)0'''.'''00 '''PC-C2.3.2''' : "Stamps / Endicia” logo at far right of 2D "PDF417(7)" barcode. : At top left: postage value above "US POSTAGE" and class of mail. : At top right: meter identification number with 062S prefix above "FROM" and ZIP code. : Stamp at top right of address label (FS5) with large mail class indicator to its left and the class of mail spelled out below. : V/F: {{space|4}} $(0)0'''.'''00 '''PC-C2.3.3''' : As '''PC-C2.3.2''', [[File: PC-C2.3.3p.png|right|500px]] : "Stamps.com” logo at far right of 2D "PDF417(7)" barcode. : Stamp at top right of address label (FS5) with large mail class indicator to its left. : Class of mail spelled out below V/F, with type of pricing below : At top right: meter identification number with 062S prefix above customer ID, above "FROM" and ZIP code. : V/F: {{space|4}} $(0)0'''.'''00 '''PC-C2.4.1''' 2005. : As Type PC-C2.3 but with rate statement instead of value figures. : Stamps.com logo right of "PDF417(7)" barcode. : "US POSTAGE & FEES PAID" at top left above rate statement. : Meter number with 062S prefix above mailer’s Zip code at top right. :: '''A'''. 2 lines at upper right, Meter number/zip code ::: '''1'''. Basic stamp without framing[[File: USA PC-C5A.jpg|right|400px]] ::: '''2'''. Stamp at top right of address label with large mail class indicator or solid block to its left and the class of mail spelled out below.[[File: USA PC-C5B.jpg|right|540px]] {| class="wikitable" |- ! Form size ! Box B1 Type ! Box C Type ! <u>Meter no's</u> ! ! Line A type ! Line B type ! Line C type ! Date ! Zip ! City ! Notes |- | FS5? | BLACK | '''VIII''' | 062S0005418699 | | A7 | B0 | C5 | 11/21/2005 | 02845 | | |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''XXXIV''' | 062S0006097059 | | A2 | B3 | C1 | 06/26/2015 | 40228 | | |- | FS5 | '''1''' | '''I''' | 062S0005715741 | | A6 | B3 | C1 | 09/06/2011 | 66030 | GARDNER, KS | Box F split horizontally in two, "Thank You" in bottom half. |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''I''' | 062S0008902567 | | A2 | B3 | C1 | 05/28/2014 | 19803 | Wilmington, DE | |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''I''' | 062S0008902567 | | A2 | B3 | C1 | 06/02/2014 | 19803 | Wilmington, DE | |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''I''' | 062S0008902567 | | A2 | B3 | C1 | 07/15/2014 | 19803 | Wilmington, DE | |- | FS5 | '''1''' | '''XXXIV''' | 062S0009033522 | | A4 | B0 | C0 | 11/09/2016 | 57401 | Aberdeen, SD | No tracking number in Box E |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''XXXIV''' | 062S0009034923 | | A2 | B3 | C1 | 02/20/2018 | 11365 | Fresh Meadows, NY | |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''I''' | 062S0009143056 | | A2 | B3 | C1 | 02/20/2018 | 08080 | Mount Holly, NJ | |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''I''' | 062S0009151784 | | A2 | B3 | C1 | 06/01/2015 | 92154 | San Diego, CA | |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''XXXIV''' | 062S0009200477 | | A2 | B3 | C3 | 09/05/2018 | 11355 | Flushing, NY | |} :: '''B'''. 3 lines at upper right, Meter number / customer ID number / zip code ::: '''2'''. Stamp at top right of address label with large mail class indicator or solid block to its left and the class of mail spelled out below. [[File:USA stamp type PC-C2point4b.jpeg|right|400px]] '''NOTE''': Sub-type '''B''' has been found printed directly onto a plastic bag. See image below.[[File:USA meter stamp PC-C2p4 NOTE.JPG|right|300px]] <br><br> [[File: USA stamp type PC-C10.jpg|right|880px]] <br><br><br> '''PC-C2.5. ''' '''PC-C2.5.1 ''' 2014. : Similar to Type PC-C2.4 but the manufacturer's logo is above the right end of the "PDF417{8)" barcode. : Meter number with 062S prefix. : Manufacturer's logo is "'''stamps.com'''". With "US POSTAGE & FEES PAID" instead of value figures. <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> <br><br><br> [[File:USA meter stamp PC-C2p7.jpg|right|880px]] '''PC-C2.5.3''' ''2012.'' : Very similar to Type PC-C2.4 but with date between the "FROM" (ZIP code) and the Stamps.com logo. : Seen with tracking number at right of the frank, on a customs form. : Meter number with 062S prefix. : PDF417(7) barcode <br><br><br> {{font|size=3|color=red|'''''NOTE''': <br>For information on the various types of 2 dimensional barcodes see introduction to "'''Group PC'''" above''}} <br><br><br> [[File: USA stamp type PC2point6.jpg|right|500px]] '''PC-C2.6.0.''' ''2015.'' : Very similar to Type PC-C2.3B but "U.S. POSTAGE" is right of the value figures rather than below them. : Meter number with 062S prefix. : PDF417(7) barcode : Manufacturer's logo is '''stamps.com''' : V/F: {{space|4}} $(0)0'''.'''00 <br><br><br><br> [[File: USA stamp type PC-G2B.jpg|right|580px]] '''PC-C2.7.1.''' : With "DPDF417" barcode as with Types PC-C2.1 through PC-C2.5 but without "stamps.com" logo. : Top panel contains USPS eagle logo and '''Click-N-Ship'''&reg; logo. : Value figures and "US POSTAGE" at left. : Tracking number above the barcode. : Identification number with 062S prefix. : V/F: {{space|4}} $0'''.'''00, {{space|4}} $00'''.'''00 :: '''a'''. With "Commercial Base Pricing" immediately below the 2D barcode <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> [[File: USA stamp type PC-G4B.jpg|right|1000px]] [[File: USA stamp type PC-G4.jpg|right|1000px]] <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> '''PC-C2.7.2.''' : Similar to Type PC-C2.7.1 but very wide imprint with '''Click-N-Ship'''&reg; logo above usps.com (without the eagle-head logo)/ "US POSTAGE / PAID" at left. : Along the bottom are the weight, date, Mailed from ZIP code, and meter identification number with "062S" prefix. : ''It appears that this stamp is generated only for International Priority and Express mail services.'' : Two versions are known: :: '''A'''. Tracking barcode at far left in the panel. Smaller lower panel contains the mail class statement. :: '''B'''. Smaller stamp, traditional barcode at center of panel, USPS logo at far left. A Customs Declaration statement appears above the traditional barcode. No lower panel containing a mail class statement, and no indication anywhere of the mail service being used. <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> <br><br><br><br><br><br> <br><br><br><br><br><br> [[File: USA stamp type PC-C6.jpg|right|140px]] '''PC-C3.1.''' 2007. : Stamp with horizontal "IBI Lite" barcode. : Small frank with value figures at top above "U.S. POSTAGE", class of mail, "FROM" ZIP code, and date. : Below the date are the stamps.com logo, the barcode, and identification number at bottom. : Identification number with 062S prefix. : V/F: {{space|4}} $0'''.'''00<u>o</u> [[File: USA stamp type PC-C7.jpg|right|195px]] [[File: USA meter stamp PC-C3.2aa.jpg|right|175px]] '''PC-C3.2.1''' : As Type PC-C3.1 but the "IBI Lite" barcode is vertical at right next to the identification number reading down at far right. : '''Stamps.com''' logo, identification number with '''062S''' prefix. : Town line "FROM" and ZIP code : V/F: {{space|4}} $0'''.'''00<u>o</u> :: '''a'''. Identification number omitted (possible printer misalignment) :: '''b'''. Town line without ZIP code showing "FROM" alone [[File: USA stamp type PC3p2 label.jpg|right|360px]] <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> '''NOTE''': These stamps can be printed directly to the mail piece or on labels. Stamps.com provided L-shaped labels with pink fluorescent bars along the top and right. Other label sizes and shapes exist. See below. <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> [[File:USA meter stamp PC-C3p3.jpg|right|370px]] '''PC-C3.3.''' 2018. : Identification number and Stamps.com logo read down at far right. : From the top down, point-of-sale data is: :: Value figures :: '''US POSTAGE''' :: mail class :: ZIP code and date :: Horizontal IBI Lite bar code : Identification number with 062S prefix. : V/F: {{space|4}} $0'''.'''00<u>o</u> '''NOTE''': Seen on plain white self-adhesive labels with rounded corners. <br><br> <br><br><br><br><br> [[File:PC-C3.2 250115.png|right|150px]] '''PC-C3.5.''' 2022. : Most similar to Type PC-C3.1 but without company identification. : Identification number with 062S prefix. ::::-A [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|8px]]<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="color: #191970;">: V/F: {{space|4}} $0'''.'''00<u>o</u>[[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|12px]]</span></span> ::::-B [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|8px]]<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="color: #191970;">: V/F: {{space|4}} $0'''.'''000<u>o</u>[[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|12px]]</span></span> [[File:PC-C3.5B 250116.png|right|150px]] <br><br><br><br><br> [[File: USA PC-F10.jpg|right|940px]] '''PC-C4.1.1.''' 2002. : Very wide design with large "Delivery Confirmation" 1D barcode at center and square Datamatrix barcode at right. : Above the 2D barcode are the weight, ZIP code, ID# with 062S prefix, and date. : At far left is the class of mail above “US POSTAGE & FEES PAID”. : Without value figures. The "stamps.com" logo is below the 2D barcode. <br><br><br><br><br><br> '''PC-C4.1.2.'''. With value figures but otherwise as '''PC-C4.1.''' ("stamps.com" logo below 2D barcode)[[File: USA meter stamp PC-C4.1D.jpg|right|940px]] <br><br><br> <br><br><br><br><br><br> '''PC-C4.2.1.'''. With "stamps.com" logo and value figures at top above the 2D barcode: {{space|4}} $0'''.'''00 ("stamps.com" logo at top)[[File: USA stamp type PC-F10B.jpg|right|940px]] :: '''a'''. Without tracking barcode at center[[File: USA stamp type PC-F10aa.jpg|right|400px]] <br><br><br><br><br><br> '''PC-C4.2.2.'''. Without value figures but otherwise as '''PC-C4.2.1.''' <br><br><br><br><br><br><br> {{font|size=3|color=red|'''''NOTE''': <br>Several stamps in Group Q resemble stamps in Group PC. If you don't find what you are looking for here, check there.''}} <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> [[File: USA stamp type PC-C9 complete.jpg|right|540px]] '''PC-C5.1.''' 2011. : The point-of-sale text is immediately to the left of the square Datamatrix barcode rather than above. : The frank appears unframed at the top of an address label. : Identification number with 062S prefix. : The country name is not in or near the frank, but "US POSTAGE & FEES PAID" is found at bottom below the mail class. : With value figures : V/F: {{space|4}} $0'''.'''00 <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> '''PC-C5.2.'''. As '''PC-C5.1.''',Without value figures[[File: USA stamp type PC-C9B.jpeg|right|540px]] <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> {{font|size=1|color=blue|''Types '''SE1''' and '''SE2''' in 2001 edition''}}[[File: USA PC-F7.jpg|right|540px]] [[File: USA PC-F8.jpg|right|500px]] '''PC-C6.3.1.''' 2002.[[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|6px]]V/F: {{space|4}} $0'''.'''00 : Downloaded directly from the Stamps.com web site. : Square Datamatrix barcode at right with "stamps.com" reading up to its right. : Text left justified as follows: : Value figures at top above "US POSTAGE", mail class, date, ID number, and ZIP code : Meter Identification number with 062S prefix. <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> '''PC-C6.3.2.''' Without value figures. "US POSTAGE & FEES PAID" above date, ID# with 062S prefix, ZIP code, rate statement <br><br><br><br> :: '''PC-C9.1.'''. 2 lines at upper right, Meter number/zip code (Box B2).[[File: PC-C2.4.2A.1 250331.png|right|450px]] ::: {{space|10}} Similar to "'''PC-C2.4.2A.0'''" ::: {{space|10}} "US POSTAGE & FEES PAID IMI" at top left above rate statement. ::: {{space|10}} New "'''Stamps'''" logo ::: {{space|10}} Stamp at top right of address label with large mail class indicator (of various sizes) or solid block to its left (Box B1) and the class of mail spelled out below (Box C). ::: {{space|10}} Mail class indicator using "'''New Helvetica'''" font as opposed to "'''Arial Block'''" in "'''PC-C2.4.2A.0'''". ::: {{space|10}} Prefix "'''063S'''" ::: {{space|10}} For similar item with with three lines in upper right and "'''Arial Block'''" font see "'''PC-C2.4.3'''" <br><br> <br><br> '''PC-C9.2.''' 2024.[[File: PC-C2.4.3.png|right|450px]] ::: {{space|10}} As Type PC-C2.3 but with rate statement instead of value figures. ::: {{space|10}} With new "'''Stamps '''" logo replacing the stamps / endicia logo at the right of "PDF417(8)" barcode. ::: {{space|10}} "US POSTAGE & FEES PAID IMI" at top left above rate statement. ::: {{space|10}} ID number with 063S prefix above mailer’s Zip code at top right. ::: {{space|10}} For similar item with with two lines in upper right and "'''New Helvetica'''" font see "'''PC-C2.4.2A.1'''" : <u>''' [[/Mail class and other descriptive types/|Click here for type description]]'''</u> <br><br> {| class="wikitable" |- ! <u>Label type</u> ! <u>Meter no's</u> ! <u>Customer ID</u> ! <u>Box B1</u> ! <u>Box C</u> ! <u>Box B2, </u> ! <u>Zipcode</u> ! <u>City</u> ! <u>Date</u> ! <u>Note</u> |- | FS5 | (063S0002805278)? | | '''G''' (I) | '''VI''' | A14, B6, C7 | 43228 | Columbus, OH | 11/25/2024 | ID number misprinted |- | FS5 | 063S0002805278 | | '''G''' (I) | '''VI''' | A14, B6, C7 | 43228 | Columbus, OH | 03/19/2025 | |- | FS5 | 063S0002805278 | | '''G''' (I) | '''VI''' | A14, B6, C7 | 43228 | Columbus, OH | 05/19/2025 | |- |} '''PC-C9.3''' 2025.[[File: PC-C2.4.4 250802.png|right|450px]] ::: {{space|10}} As Type PC-C2.3 but with rate statement instead of value figures. ::: {{space|10}} With new "'''Stamps '''" logo at top right. ::: {{space|10}} "US POSTAGE & FEES PAID IMI" at top left above rate statement. ::: {{space|10}} ID number with 063S prefix above mailer's ID number and mailer’s Zip code at top right below "'''Stamps'''" logo. {| class="wikitable" |- ! <u>Label type</u> ! <u>Meter no's</u> ! <u>Customer ID</u> ! <u>Box B1</u> ! <u>Box C</u> ! <u>Box B2, </u> ! <u>Zipcode</u> ! <u>City</u> ! <u>Date</u> ! <u>Note</u> |- | FS5 | 063S0001442661 | 18827628 | '''G''' (II) | '''VI''' | A9, B2, C7 | 85274 | Mesa, AZ | 02/06/2025 | |- | FS5 | 063S0014950305 | 9786065 | '''G''' (II) | '''VI''' | A9, B2, C7 | 03580 | | 07/28/2025 | |- | FS5 | 063S0014950364 | 10606251 | '''G''' (II) | '''VI''' | A14, B6, C7 | 20850 | Rockville, MD | 12/03/2024 | |- | FS5 | 063S0014950380 | 18827628 | '''G''' (II) | '''VI''' | A9, B2, C7 | 85274 | Mesa, AZ | 02/06/2025 | |- |} <br><br><br> <br><br><br><br><br><br> '''PC-C9.4.''' ''2025.'' : As Type PC-C2.6.0 but "U.S. POSTAGE imi" is to the right of the value figures.[[File: PC-C2.6.1.png|right|500px]] : Meter number with 062S prefix. : PDF417(7) barcode : New '''Stamps''' logo to the right of the bar code. : V/F: {{space|4}} $(0)0'''.'''00 <br><br><br> '''PC-C9.5.''' ''2025'' : As Type PC-C3.2.1 but the "IBI Lite" barcode is vertical at right next to the identification number reading down at far right. : "'''US POSTAGE IMI'''" : tHE NEW '''Stamps.com''' logo, identification number with '''063S''' prefix. : Town line "FROM" and ZIP code : V/F: {{space|4}} $0'''.'''00<u>o</u> [[File: PC-C3.2.3 250217.png|right|360px]] <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> '''NOTES''': * These stamps can be printed directly to the mail piece or on labels. <br><br><br> ---- ===={{font|size=4|color=#2a3439|Sub-group PC-D: Franks from Pitney Bowes software, ID numbers with 02#P, 02#W, or 07#P prefix}}==== {{font/top|size=3|color=#0018A8}} * The earlier stamps show logos consisting of an eagle's head and wing. Later stamps are generic, text and bar code only, but most include "Pitney Bowes" in the design. One stamp, Type PC-D4, does not include the company name and is identifiable as a Pitney Bowes product only by the identification number with "02" prefix. * Identification number prefixes seen so far are 022P, 024P, 022W, 026W and 071P. * Pitney Bowes PC stamps began field testing in the Washington DC area in December 1998. {{font/end}} {{font|size=3|color=red|'''''NOTE''': <br>Several stamps in Group Q resemble stamps in Group PC. If you don't find what you are looking for here, check there.''}} ---- <br> [[File: USA meter stamp PC-D0A.jpg|right|415px]] [[File: USA meter stamp PC-D0B.jpg|right|415px]] '''PC-D0. “ClickStamp Online”''', probably 1998. {{space|2}} [''Exceptionally rare''] : Experimental stamp with small eagle profile image at upper right. Left of the eagle are the date, value figures, and “US POSTAGE” with three stars. Above the “'''PDF417'''(9)” barcode field are the identification number at left and “Mailed From Zip Code” and ZIP code. : Identification number with 022P000230 prefix. :: '''A'''. The type font is somewhat heavy. The "P" in the ID number has no serif. Three reported: ::: 1) ID number 022P0002300165, ZIP code 20260 ::: 2) ID number 022P0002306771, ZIP code 20032 ::: 3) ID number 022P0002307167, ZIP code 13057 :: '''B'''. The type font is somewhat lighter. The "P" in the ID number has serif at bottom. ID number 022P0002306600, ZIP code 20260 : V/F: {{space|2}} $ ~0.00^o : '''NOTE''': This stamp type was previously cataloged as an essay (ESY-DB4.4) until verifiably postally used covers were identified. <br><br><br> {{font|size=1|color=blue|''Type '''RD2''' in 2001 edition''}}[[File: USA PC-E2.jpg|right|415px]] '''PC-D1. “ClickStamp Online”''', 21 April 1999. {{space|2}} [''Exceptionally rare''] : Experimental stamp with eagle with wavy wing below "FIM" barcode. : Stamp with “'''PDF417'''(9)” barcode. : "US POSTAGE", date, value figures, ZIP code, and identification number stacked at right. : Identification number with 024P prefix. : Class of mail vertical at left side. : V/F: {{space|4}} $00'''.'''00o : '''NOTE''': When printed on a color-capable printer, the wing of the eagle is (usually) in red. <br><br><br> {{font|size=1|color=blue|''Type '''RD3''' in 2001 edition''}}[[File: USA meter stamp PC-D2p2A.jpg|right|415px]] [[File: USA meter stamp PC-D2p2B.jpg|right|430px]] '''PC-D2.1. “ClickStamp Online”''', 2000. : Similar to Type PC-D1 but straight eagle's wing above "PITNEY BOWES". : Identification number with 024P prefix. :: '''A'''. Inscribed "U.S. POSTAGE" with stops. "MAILED FROM ZIP CODE" one line, all capitals. :: '''B'''. Inscribed "US POSTAGE" without stops. "Mailed from ZIP Code" in two lines, mixed case. : V/F: {{space|4}} $00'''.'''00o '''NOTES''': : 1) When printed on a color-capable printer, the wing of the eagle is (usually) in red. : 2) The system allows for a re-date stamp without postage value (as shown below). : 3) Pitney Bowes required at least some users of ClickStamp Online to send them a sample print once a year on an envelope marked withe the components of the user's system. (Example shown below right.) [[File: USA PC-E3 redate.jpg|left|330px]] [[File: USA meter stamp PC-D2.1 NOTE 3.jpeg|right|500px]] <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> {{font|size=1|color=blue|''Type '''RD4''' in 2001 edition''}}[[File: USA PC-E4.jpg|right|390px]] '''PC-D2.2. “ClickStamp Online”'''. : This is the postage correction frank used with the software system that produced type PC-D2.1. : The eagle is larger than with type PC-D2.1 and in line with the date which is above "U.S. POSTAGE" rather than below. : Large “POSTAGE CORRECTION” below eagle. : Identification number with 024P prefix. : Without town line or ZIP code. : V/F: {{space|4}} $00'''.'''00o <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> [[File: USMETER22041502.png|right|300px]] {{font/top|size=2|color=red}} '''Type Note: In the following listings, the descriptions will often include specific details regarding the mailing label, they will referenced as follows''' ::::: Panel or Box A: '''USPS insignia''' ('' sometimes not present'') ::::: Panel or Box B: oftentimes subdivided ::::::: Box B1 "'''F, P.'''" etc, ::::::: Box B2 includes, barcode, date, identification number ::::: Panel or Box C: Mail Class ::::: Panel or Box D: Address ::::: Panel or Box E: Tracking number/Bar code ::::: Panel or Box F: often times blank ('' sometimes not present'') {{font/end}} : <u>''' [[/Mail class and other descriptive types/|Click here for type description]]'''</u> <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> [[File: USA meter stamp PC-D3p1A.jpg|right|345px]] [[File: USA PC-F6.jpg|right|515px]] '''PC-D3.1A. "Shipstream Manager"'''. : As with PC-D1 through PC-D2.3, with "PDF417" barcode. : "US POSTAGE" or "US POSTAGE & FEES PAID", date, town line (Mailed from ZIP...) and rate above barcode. : Below the barcode are "Pitney Bowes" and the ID number with 071P prefix. : Basic stamp without framing. Top line contains value figures and "US POSTAGE". ::: V/F: {{space|4}} $0'''.'''00 <br><br> '''PC-D3.1B. "Shipstream Manager"'''. : Box B2 "US POSTAGE" or "US POSTAGE & FEES PAID", date, town line (Mailed from ZIP...) and rate above "PDF417" barcode. : The stamp is in a frame with large mail class indicator at left and the class of mail spelled out below. Top line "US POSTAGE & FEES PAID". With rate statement instead of value figures. : No Box A, Box B the dividing line extends the entire height of the box. : Identification number 071P prefix :: '''A'''. "'''FCM'''" in Box B1 ::: '''a'''. Box B2 "'''US POSTAGE AND FEES PAID'''"/DATE "Mailed from ZIP" / / "PDF417" barcode / "Pitney Bowes" Identification number :::: '''1'''. Box C: "'''USPS FIRST CLASS'''" ::::: '''-a'''. Box B2: 3rd line "1oz First-Class Parcel rate" <br><br> {{font|size=1|color=blue|''Type '''RD5''' in 2001 edition''}}[[File: USA stamp type PC-G1A.jpg|right|530px]] [[File: USA PC-G1B.jpg|right|550px]] '''PC-D3.2.''' : Found only on labels downloaded from internet vendor eBay. : In panel across the top are the USPS eagle logo at left and the '''eBay''' logo at right. : Inside the stamp frame: "US POSTAGE PAID" and rate statement centered above the "PDF417" barcode. : Below the barcode are "Pitney Bowes" and the identification number with 024P prefix. : Large rate indicator in frame at left. : V/F: {{space|4}} $0'''.'''00 or nil : {{font|size=2|color=red|See also '''PC-D3.3B.6'''}} :: '''A'''. With value figures :: '''B'''. Without value figures but with rate statement <br><br> '''PC-D3.3'''. : Similar to Type PC-D3.2, : A large label formatted with as many as 7 subsections ("'''boxes'''") : Below "'''Box A'''" if present, or at the top there are two boxes ("'''Box B1'''" at the left and "'''Box B2'''" at the right) : Within "'''Box B2'''" is the “'''PDF417(7)'''” 2D barcode there is nothing above the barcode. : Also within "'''Box B2'''" are 3 '''stacks''', : '''Stack B2.1''' "US POSTAGE" (''or variation''), date, “From” and ZIP code, weight, and optionally a Zone number are stacked at left. : '''Stack B2.2''' Below the barcode are "Pitney Bowes" and a rate statement or statements at the center. : '''Stack B2.3''' Meter number/ID number at right. : The ID number has 022W, 024P, or 026W prefix. : In a smaller box at left ("'''Box B1'''") is a large letter code representing the mail class. : In a wide box ("'''Box C'''") below "'''Box B1'''" and "'''Box B2'''" is the class of mail. : If present the value figures appear above "US POSTAGE". : '''Labels may be framed or unframed''' : V/F: {{space|4}} $0'''.'''00 or nil : <u>''' [[/Mail class and other descriptive types/|Click here for type description]]'''</u> <br><br> '''PC-D3.3A'''. With value figures : A large label with 6 boxes "'''FS5'''"("'''Boxes B1, B2, C, D, E, F'''") <br><br> '''PC-D3.3A1'''. :: '''Box B2::'''. '''US POSTAGE''' in one line alone above the date <br><br> '''PC-D3.3A2'''. '''US POSTAGE IMI''' in one line alone above the date [[File: PC-D3.3A3.png|right|500px]] :: '''A'''. '''026W''' <span style="font-size: x-small;">over 10-digit number starting with</span> 0004 {| class="wikitable" |- ! Label Type ! Box B1 Type ! Box C Type ! <u>Meter no's</u> ! Stack B2.2 line 2 type ! Date ! Zip ! City ! Notes |- | FS5? | '''F''' | '''IX''' | 026W0004897241 | CommPrice | 06/20/2023 | 32961 | VERO BEACH, FL | |- | FS5? | '''G''' | '''VI''' | 026W0004897622 | CommPrice | 10/18/2023 | 29568 | | |} <br><br> :: '''B'''. '''028W''' <span style="font-size: x-small;">over 10-digit number starting with</span> 0002 {| class="wikitable" |- ! Label Type ! Box B1 Type ! Box C Type ! <u>Meter no's</u> ! Stack B2.2 line 2 type ! Date ! Zip ! City ! Notes |- | | | | | | | | |- | FS5? | '''G''' | '''VI''' | 028W0002310688 | CommPrice | 05/11/2024 | 34293 | VENICE FL | |} <br><br> '''PC-D3.3A3'''. '''US POSTAGE IMI''' in one line alone above the date as "'''PC-D3.3A3'''", Box A with "'''UNITED STATES / POSTAL SERVICE ®'''" and emblem on left. : <u>''' [[/Mail class and other descriptive types/|Click here for type description]]'''</u> <br><br> <br><br> '''PC-D3.3B'''. With rate statement '''PC-D3.3B.1'''.[[File: USA meter stamp PC-D3.3.jpg|right|500px]] ::''' Box B2::'''. '''US POSTAGE''' in one line alone above the date '''PC-D3.3B.1.1'''. Prefix "'''21B'''" {| class="wikitable" |- ! Label Type ! Box B1 Type ! Box C Type ! <u>Meter no's</u> ! Stack B2.2 line 2 type ! Date ! Zip ! City ! Notes |- | FS5 | '''P''' | '''V''' | 021B0050723999 | CommPrice | 07/20/2022 | 07112 | Newark NJ | Box F: order data |- | FS5 | '''P''' | '''V''' | 021B0060312094 | CommPrice | 11/28/2022 | 07036 | Linden NJ | Box F: order data |- | FS5 | '''P''' | '''V''' | 021B0060494251 | CommPrice | 11/28/2022 | 90670 | Santa fe springs CA | Box F: order data |} '''PC-D3.3B.1.2'''. Prefix "'''26W'''" {| class="wikitable" |- ! Label Type ! Box B1 Type ! Box C Type ! <u>Meter no's</u> ! Stack B2.2 line 2 type ! Date ! Zip ! City ! Notes |- | | '''P''' | '''VII''' | 026W0004897242 | ComPlsPrice | 11/25/2020 | 07419 | | |- | FS5 | '''X''' | '''VIII''' | 026W0004897590 | | 01/02/2021 | 97239 | Portland OR | |- | FS5 | '''P''' | '''V''' | 026W0004897774 | CommPlsPrice | 07/31/2020 | 60490 | Bolingbrook IL | |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''IX''' | 026W0004897814 | CommPrice | 01/08/2021 | 91304 | Los Angeles CA | |- | | '''F''' | '''IX''' | 026W0004897894 | | | 54843 | | |} <br><br> '''PC-D3.3B.1C''' [[File: PC-D3.3B.4A.0.png|right|500px]] :: As '''PC-D3.1A.B''' but with customer ID at lower right :: '''Box B2''' '''US POSTAGE''' above the date :: Meter numbers: 026W {| class="wikitable" |- ! Label Type ! Box B1 Type ! Box C Type ! <u>Meter no's</u> ! Customer ID ! Stack B2.2 line 2 type ! Date ! Zip ! City ! Notes |- | FS5 | '''P''' | '''VII''' | 026W0004897326 | 3000093152 | ComPlsPrice | 12/04/2020 | 91706 | IRWINDALE CA | ID numbers in larger font |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''XII''' | 026W0004897491 | 3000008007 | CommPrice | 05/23/2019 | 48114 | BRIGHTON MI | |} <br><br> '''PC-D3.3B.2'''.[[File: PC-D3.3B.1.png|right|500px]] :: '''Box B2::'''. '''US POSTAGE / PAID''' in two lines above the date {| class="wikitable" |- ! Label Type ! Box B1 Type ! Box C Type ! <u>Meter no's</u> ! Stack B2.2 line 2 type ! Date ! Zip ! City ! Notes |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''XII''' | 026W0004897894 | CommPrice | 12/29/2021 | 54843 | Hayward WI | |} <br><br> '''PC-D3.3B.3A'''[[File: PC-D3.3B.3.png|right|500px]] :: '''Box B2''' '''US POSTAGE / PAID IMI''' in two lines above the date :: Meter numbers: 026W [[File: PC-D3.3B.3A-H 2501002.png|right|500px]] {| class="wikitable" |- ! Label Type ! Box B1 Type ! Box C Type ! <u>Meter no's</u> ! Stack B2.2 line 2 type ! Date ! Zip ! City ! Notes |- | FS5 | '''H''' | '''VI''' | 026W0002310502 | CommPrice | 08/04/2025 | 33068 | North Lauderdale FL | "'''HAZMAT-Surface Transportation Only'''" |- | FS5? | '''F''' | '''XII''' | 026W0004897241 | CommPrice | 01/26/2023 | 13147 | SCIPIO CENTER NY | |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''XII''' | 026W0004897242 | CommPrice | 08/16/2022 | 93943 | MONTEREY CA | |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''XII''' | 026W0004897400 | CommPrice | 05/24/2023 | 16063 | ZELIENOPLE PA | |- | FS5 | '''G''' | '''VI''' | 026W0004897451 | CommPrice | 11/24/2023 | 95240 | LODI CA | |- | PS4 | '''P''' | '''XIII''' | 026W0004897525 | CommPrice | 10/23/2023 | 98239 | COUPEVILLE WA | No Box F, DM1 barcode below Box E |- | PS5 | '''F''' | '''IX''' | 026W0004897591 | CommPrice | 03/07/2022 | 92404 | SAN BERNARDINO CA | |- | PS5 | '''F''' | '''IX''' | 026W0004897642 | CommPrice | 02/02/2022 | 92404 | SAN BERNARDINO CA | |- | PS4 | '''G''' | '''VI''' | 026W0004897642 | CommPrice | 12/06/2023 | 81413 | CEDAREDGE CO | No Box F, DM1 barcode below Box E |- | PS4 | '''F''' | '''IX''' | 026W0004897778 | CommPrice | 02/27/2023 | 76013 | PANTEGO TX | No Box F, DM1 barcode below Box E |- |- | FS4 | '''F''' | '''III''' | 026W0004897790 | CommPrice | 11/01/2022 | 08110 | PENNSAUKEN NJ | No Box F, DM1 barcode below Box E |- | FS5 | '''G''' | '''VI''' | 026W0004897812 | CommPrice | 11/25/2023 | 11432 | JAMAICA NY | |- | | '''F''' | '''IX''' | 026W0004897816 | CommPrice | 08/22/2022 | 33770 | LARGO FL | |- | FS4 | '''F''' | '''IX''' | 026W0004897817 | CommPrice | 06/20/2023 | 77030 | HOUSTON TX | No Box F, DM1 barcode below Box E |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''IX''' | 026W0004897878 | CommPrice | 08/25/2022 | 66505 | MANHATTAN KS | |- | FS4 | '''F''' | '''IX''' | 026W0004897894 | CommPrice | 01/23/2023 | 08110 | PENNSAUKEN NJ | |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''IX''' | 026W0004897895 | CommPrice | 02/04/2022 | 45806 | CRIDERSVILLE OH | |- | FS5 | '''G''' | '''VI''' | 026W0004897895 | CommPrice | 11/21/2023 | 95628 | FAIR OAKS CA | |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''IX''' | 026W0004897939 | CommPrice | 03/28/2022 | 55304 | ANDOVER MN | |- | | '''F''' | '''IX''' | 026W0004897942 | CommPrice | 04/29/2022 | 06514 | HAMDEN CT | |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''IX''' | 026W0004898023 | CommPrice | 09/23/2022 | 75150 | MESQUITE TX | |} <br><br> '''PC-D3.3B.3B''' :: '''Box B2''' '''US POSTAGE / PAID IMI''' in two lines above the date [[File: PC-D3.3B.3B 250415.png|right|500px]] :: Meter numbers: 028W {| class="wikitable" |- ! Label Type ! Box B1 Type ! Box C Type ! <u>Meter no's</u> ! Stack B2.2 line 2 type ! Date ! Zip ! City ! Notes |- | FS4 | '''G''' | '''VI''' | 028W0002310364 | CommPrice | 03/18/2024 | 96003 | REDDING CA | No Box F, DM1 barcode below Box E |- | FS4 | '''G''' | '''VI''' | 028W0002311094 | CommPrice | 02/05/2024 | 34222 | ELLENTON FL | No Box F, DM1 barcode below Box E |- | FS4 | '''G''' | '''VI''' | 028W0002311094 | CommPrice | 08/22/2024 | 11735 | FARMINGDALE NY | No Box F, DM1 barcode below Box E |- | FS4 | '''G''' | '''VI''' | 028W0002311374 | CommPrice | 02/22/2024 | 33436 | BOYNTON BEACH FL | No Box F, DM1 barcode below Box E |- | FS4 | '''G''' | '''VI''' | 028W0002311472 | CommPrice | 03/04/2025 | 92376 | RIALTO CA | No Box F, DM1 barcode below Box E |} <br><br> '''PC-D3.3B.4A.1''' [[File: PC-D3.3B.4.png|right|500px]] :: As '''PC-D3.3B.3''' but taller, thinner font :: '''Box B2''' '''US POSTAGE / PAID IMI''' in two lines above the date :: Meter numbers: 026W {| class="wikitable" |- ! Label Type ! Box B1 Type ! Box C Type ! <u>Meter no's</u> ! Customer ID ! Stack B2.2 line 2 type ! Date ! Zip ! City ! Notes |- | FS5 | '''P''' | '''V''' | 026W0004897241 | 3001124484 | ComPlsPrice | 06/17/2022 | 93380 | VISALIA CA | |} <br><br> '''PC-D3.3B.4A.2''' :: As '''PC-D3.3B.3''' but taller, thinner font :: '''Box B2''' '''US POSTAGE / PAID IMI''' in two lines above the date :: Meter numbers: 028W {| class="wikitable" |- ! Label Type ! Box B1 Type ! Box C Type ! <u>Meter no's</u> ! Customer ID ! Stack B2.2 line 2 type ! Date ! Zip ! City ! Notes |- | FS5 | '''X''' | '''VIII''' | 028W0002310218 | 3000559694 | | 02/03/2023 | 98144 | SEATTLE WA | Box F: order info |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''XII''' | 028W0002310350 | 3001704288 | CommPrice | 02/03/2023 | 80907 | COLORADO SPRINGS CO | |} <br><br> '''PC-D3.3B.4B''' [[File: PC-D3.3B.4B.png|right|500px]] :: As '''PC-D3.3B.3''' but taller, thinner font :: '''Box B2''' '''US POSTAGE / PAID IMI''' in two lines above the date :: No Box F, DM1 barcode below Box E :: Meter numbers: 028W {| class="wikitable" |- ! Label Type ! Box B1 Type ! Box C Type ! <u>Meter no's</u> ! Customer ID ! Stack B2.2 line 2 type ! Date ! Zip ! City ! Notes |- | FS5 | '''G''' | '''VI''' | 028W0002310174 | 3002184618 | CommPrice | 07/08/2024 | 60647 | CHICAGO IL | |- |} <br><br> '''PC-D3.3B.5A''' [[File: PC-D3.3B.5a.png|right|500px]] :: Similar to'''PC-D3.3B.3''' :: '''Box B2''' '''US POSTAGE / & FEES PD IMI''' in two lines above the date :: Meter numbers: 026W {| class="wikitable" |- ! Label Type ! Box B1 Type ! Box C Type ! <u>Meter no's</u> ! Stack B2.2 line 2 type ! Date ! Zip ! City ! Notes |- | FS4 | '''F''' | '''XII''' | 026W0004897798 | CommPrice | 01/24/2023 | 30907 | MARTINEZ GA | No Box F, DM1 barcode below Box E |} <br><br> '''PC-D3.3B.5B''' [[File: PC-D3.3B.5B.png|right|500px]] :: Similar to'''PC-D3.3B.3''' :: '''Box B2''' '''US POSTAGE / & FEES PD IMI''' in two lines above the date :: Meter numbers: 028W :: Customer Identification Number below meter number <br><br> '''PC-D3.3B.6''' :: A large label with 6 sections, 7 boxes ("'''Boxes A, B1, B2, C, D, E, F'''") :: A box ("'''Box A''') across the top containing the USPS eagle logo and "UNITED STATES/ POSTAL SERVICE" at left and a mailer's logo or identification at right. :: {{font|size=2|color=red|'''NOTE:''' ''For examples with'' '''Penalty of Fines Under 18 / USC 3571 for Private Use''' ''see'' '''OO-M1'''}} <br><br> '''PC-D3.3B.6A''' :: '''Box B2''' as '''PC-D3.3B.3, US POSTAGE / PAID IMI''' in two lines above the date <br><br> '''PC-D3.3B.6A.1A'''[[File: PC-D3.3B.6B.1.png|right|500px]] : '''Box A''' with "''' a preferred / shipping service on ebay '''" : identification number starts with "'''026W'''" : <u>''' [[/Mail class and other descriptive types/|Click here for type description]]'''</u> {| class="wikitable" |- ! Label Type ! Box B1 Type ! Box C Type ! <u>Meter no's</u> ! Stack B2.2 line 2 type ! Date ! Zip ! City ! Notes |- | FS6 | '''F''' | '''IX''' | 026W0004897242 | CommPrice | 01/08/2022 | 19565 | WERNERSVILLE PA | |- | FS6 | '''F''' | '''IX''' | 026W0004897406 | CommPrice | 05/30/2020 | 92859 | ORANGE CA | |- | FS6 | '''G''' | '''VI''' | 026W0004897486 | CommPrice | 08/19/2023 | 76002 | ARLINGTON TX | |- | FS6 | '''G''' | '''VI''' | 026W0004897525 | CommPrice | 10/24/2023 | 35952 | SNEAD AL | |- | FS6 | '''F''' | '''IX''' | 026W0004897526 | CommPrice | 11/16/2020 | 98243 | Deer Harbor WA | |- | FS6 | '''F''' | '''IX''' | 026W0004897591 | CommPrice | 12/18/2020 | 49801 | Iron Mountain MI | |- | FS6 | '''F''' | '''IX''' | 026W0004897642 | CommPrice | 05/11/2020 | 92404 | San Bernardino CA | small, 85 x 136mm |- | FS6 | '''F''' | '''IX''' | 026W0004897623 | CommPrice | 05/08/2023 | 50010 | AMES IA | |- | FS6 | '''F''' | '''IX''' | 026W0004897876 | CommPrice | 05/18/2020 | 92404 | San B CAernardino | small, 83 x 130mm |- | FS6 | '''P''' | | 026W0004897894 | CommPrice | | 30513 | | |- | FS6 | '''F''' | | 026W0004897941 | CommPrice | | 60108 | | |} <br><br> '''PC-D3.3B.6A.1B''' : '''Box A''' with "''' a preferred / shipping service on ebay '''" : identification number starts with "'''028W'''" {| class="wikitable" |- ! Label Type ! Box B1 Type ! Box C Type ! <u>Meter no's</u> ! Stack B2.2 line 2 type ! Date ! Zip ! City ! Notes |- | FS5 | '''G''' | '''VI''' | 028W0002310428 | | 06/18/2024 | 60512 | MONTGOMERY IL | No Box F, DM1 barcode below Box E |- | FS5 | '''X''' | '''VIII''' | 028W0002310575 | | 05/31/2024 | 34677 | OLDSMAR FL | No Box F, DM1 barcode below Box E |- | FS5 | '''G''' | '''VI''' | 028W0002311092 | CommPrice | 06/13/2024 | 11103 | ASTORIA NY | No Box F, DM1 barcode below Box E |} <br><br> '''PC-D3.3B.6B''' :: '''Box B2''' as '''PC-D3.3B.3, US POSTAGE / & FEES PD IMI''' in two lines above the date <br><br> '''PC-D3.3B.6B.1'''[[File: PC-D3.3B.6B.11.png|right|500px]] : '''Box A''' with "''' a preferred / shipping service on ebay '''" {| class="wikitable" |- ! Label Type ! Box B1 Type ! Box C Type ! <u>Meter no's</u> ! Stack B2.2 line 2 type ! Date ! Zip ! City ! Notes |- | FS6 | '''F''' | '''XII''' | 026W0004897813 | CommPrice | 06/30/2022 | 07111 | IRVINGTON NJ | |} <br><br> '''PC-D3.3B.6C''' :: '''Box B2''' "'''US POSTAGE / AND FEES PAID'''" in two lines above the date <br><br> '''PC-D3.3B.6C.1'''[[File: USA meter stamp PC-D3.3C.jpg|right|500px]] : '''Box A''' with “'''www.pitneybowes.com'''” {{font|size=2|color=red|NOTE: For labels of this type used by an US Government Agency and with a Penalty statement see type "'''OO-M1'''"}} {| class="wikitable" |- ! Label Type ! Box B1 Type ! Box C Type ! <u>Meter no's</u> ! Stack B2.2 line 2 type ! Date ! Zip ! City ! Notes |- | FS6 | '''F''' | '''XII''' | 026W0004897572 | CommPrice | 06/29/2021 | 76155 | |} <br><br> '''PC-D3.3B.6D''' :: '''Box B2''' "'''US POSTAGE'''" in two lines above the date <br><br> '''PC-D3.3B.6D.1'''[[File: USA meter stamp PC-D3.3dd.jpg|right|500px]] : '''Box A''' with “'''www.paypal.com'''” {| class="wikitable" |- ! Label Type ! Box B1 Type ! Box C Type ! <u>Meter no's</u> ! Stack B2.2 line 2 type ! Date ! Zip ! City ! Notes |- | FS6? | '''X''' | '''X''' | 026W0004897485 | CommPrice | 11/25/2020 | 55422 | |} <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> [[File: USA meter stamp PC-D3p4.jpg|right|530px]] '''PC-D3.4''' : Similar to PC-D3.3 but with tracking number added above the PDF417 2D barcode. : Stacked at left of the 2D barcode are "usps.com", the value figures, "US POSTAGE", a rate statement, and in the bottom corner, the date. : Centered below the 2D barcode are “Mailed from” and ZIP code and “024P”. : V/F: {{space|4}} $0'''.'''00 {{space|4}} $00'''.'''00 <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> {{font|color=green|'''''NOTE: The stamp previously cataloged as Type PC-D3.5 is now a sub-type of PC-D3.3.'''''}} [[File: PC-D3.5.png|right|1000px]] '''PC-D3.5''' : "'''US POSTAGE / PAID IMI'''" in two lines : Unboxed rate class designation letter : "'''PDF417(7)'''" 2-D barcode on right : Meter Identification on right above customer Identification number : Meter identification number: 028W followed by 10 digits : On customs declaration form (CD) <br><br><br> '''PC-D4.1.''' [[File: USA stamp type PC-G6.jpg|right|1000px]] <br><br><br><br><br><br><br> : Similar to Type PC-D3.4 but in wider format with the tracking barcode at far left. : Meter number seen with "024P" prefix. : With value figures below "PAID". : V/F: {{space|4}} $0'''.'''00 <br><br> '''PC-D4.2.'''[[File: USA meter stamp PC-D3.7.jpeg|right|1000px]] : Wide format as with PC-D4.1 but "US POSTAGE" and the mail class are at far left with the tracking barcode below. : The postage data is found below the PDF417 barcode, as follows: :: ID# with "026W" prefix :: Pitney Bowes (with "CommPrice" [or value figures?] below) :: date :: "From" ZIP code :: weight :: (destination) zone <br><br><br><br><br><br><br> '''PC-D4.3.1.'''[[File: PC-D4.3.1 260630.png|right|1000px]] :: As with PC-D4.2 but with "'''US POSTAGE PAID '''" :: ID# with "026W" prefix <br><br><br><br><br><br><br> '''PC-D4.3.2.'''[[File: PC-D4.3.png|right|1000px]] :: As with PC-D4.2 but with "'''US POSTAGE PAID IMI'''" :: ID# with "026W" prefix <br><br><br><br><br><br><br> '''PC-D4.4.'''[[File: PC-D4.4 250914.png|right|1000px]] :: As with PC-D4.4 but with "'''US POSTAGE PAID IMI'''" at right above Identification number. :: Two black bars complete from left to right :: ID# with "028W" prefix <br><br><br><br><br><br><br> <br><br><br> '''PC-D5.1.''' : At right is the square "Datamatrix" barcode. : Centered in the middle: "US POSTAGE PAID"/ "Pitney Bowes"/ rate statement/ identification number with 024P prefix : At left: date/ ZIP code/ weight : Always found on framed address label, and never with value figures. <br><br><br> '''PC-D5.1A.''' [[File: USA PC-F9.jpg|right|500px]] : At left solid block rate code indicator : Centered in the middle: "US POSTAGE PAID"/ "Pitney Bowes"/ rate statement/ identification number with 024P prefix at base <br><br><br><br><br> '''PC-D5.1B.'''[[File: PC-D5.1B.png|right|500px]] : At left outline rate code indicator : Centered in the middle: "US POSTAGE PAID"/ "Pitney Bowes"/ rate statement/ identification number with 024P prefix in middle ::: '''-1'''. Meter identification number positioned as in the illustration for '''PC-D5.1A.''' <br><br><br><br><br> '''PC-D5.2.''' [[File: USA stamp type PC-F9B.jpg|right|307px]] : Similar to Type PC-D4.1 but "Pitney Bowes" is vertical reading up at left. : The rate, date, ZIP code, and weight are stacked between "US POSTAGE PAID" (italicized) at top and the identification number at bottom. : Identification number with 024P prefix. : "'''Found only on International postage/address/customs forms purchased online from the USPS web site.'''" : The complete form is shown reduced at right. Occurs in at least two types: ::::{{space|5}} Type I {{space|5}} "To/From" horizontal ::::{{space|5}} Type II {{space|4}} "To/From" vertical : V/F: {{space|4}} $00'''.'''00 or nil :{{font|size=2|color=red|NOTE: "'''For labels of this type the collector should save the whole form'''"}} :: '''A'''. With "ONLINE DISCOUNT RATE" below US POSTAGE PAID :: '''B'''. With postage paid shown in dollars and cents [[File: USA stamp type PC-F9point1B.jpg|right|307px]] :: '''C'''. Without rate, blank between US POSTAGE PAID and the date [[File: USA stamp type PC-F9B document.jpg|right|800px]] [[File: PC-D5.2z.png|right|800px]] <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> '''PC-D5.3. “Shipstream Manager”''', 2006.[[File: USA PC-F11.jpg|right|888px]] : Very wide design with square "Datamatrix" barcode at right and large tracking barcode at center. : Above the 2D barcode are the date, ZIP code, weight, and "Pitney Bowes". : Below the 2D barcode is the ID number with 024P prefix. : At far left is “US POSTAGE PAID” above the class of mail. :: '''A'''. With rate statement instead of value figures. :: '''B'''. With value figures above the date [[File: USA stamp type PC-D4point3B.jpeg|right|888px]] <br><br> [[File: USA stamp type PC-G3point1.jpg|right|570px]] '''PC-D5.4. "SmartPostage"''', 2011. : As Type PC-D4.5 but with "www.pbSmartPostage.com" instead of the eBay logo. : Identification number with 024P prefix. :: '''A'''. With value figures. {{space|4}} V/F: $0'''.'''00 :: '''B'''. Without value figures but with rate statement :: '''a'''. With "Commercial Base Pricing" immediately below the "Pitney Bowes" <br><br> '''PC-D5.5.''' (presumed to be '''“Shipstream Manager”'''), 2013.[[File: USA stamp type PC-F15.jpg|right|888px]] : Similar to Type PC-D4.3 but with the elements rearranged. : The identification number, date, "From" Zip code, and weight are below the square "Datamatrix" barcode. : The tracking barcode is at far left rather than center. : At near left of the Datamatrix barcode is "Pitney Bowes". : "US POSTAGE PAID" and the mail class are at far left above the tracking barcode. : Identification number with 024P prefix. : <u>''' [[/Mail class and other descriptive types/|Click here for type description]]'''</u> :: '''A'''. With value figures above "Pitney Bowes": {{space|4}} $0'''.'''00 :: '''B'''. Without value figures <br><br> '''PC-D5.6. "SmartPostage"''', 2006. : Similar to Type PC-D3.2 but with square DataMatrix barcode instead of "PDF417" barcode. : “US POSTAGE PAID” at top center above "Pitney Bowes", a rate statement, and the identification number. : sans-serif "a preferred / shipping service on ebay" in upper right : Service indicator in Box B1 with solid block letters : Meter identification number with 024P prefix. : With value figures. {{space|4}} V/F: $0'''.'''00 {{space|2}} [scarce] <br><br> '''PC-D5.7. "SmartPostage"''' [[File: USA PC-G3B.jpg|right|495px]] : Similar to Type PC-D3.2 but with square DataMatrix barcode instead of "PDF417" barcode. : “US POSTAGE PAID” at top center above "Pitney Bowes", a rate statement, and the identification number. : sans-serif "a preferred / shipping service on ebay" in upper right : Service indicator in Box B1 with solid block letters : Meter identification number with 024P prefix. : Without value figures but with rate statement <br><br> '''PC-D5.8.0 "SmartPostage"'''[[File: USA stamp type PC-G3C.jpg|right|530px]] : Similar to Type PC-D3.2 but with square DataMatrix barcode instead of "PDF417" barcode. : “US POSTAGE PAID” at top center above "Pitney Bowes", a rate statement, and the identification number. : sans-serif "a preferred / shipping service on ebay" in upper right : service indicator in Box B1 at left is narrower (not square) and the letter within is outlined rather than solid. : Lettering in the panel [C] at bottom is smaller. : Meter identification number with 024P prefix. <br><br> '''PC-D5.8.1 "SmartPostage"''' [[File: USA stamp type PC-G3D.jpg|right|530px]] : Similar to Type PC-D3.2 but with square DataMatrix barcode instead of "PDF417" barcode. : “US POSTAGE PAID” at top center above "Pitney Bowes", a rate statement, and the identification number. : sans-serif "a preferred / shipping service on ebay" in upper right : service indicator in Box B1 at left is narrower (not square) and the letter within is outlined rather than solid. : Lettering in the panel [C] at bottom is smaller. : Meter identification number with 024P prefix. : V/F: {{space|4}} V/F: $0'''.'''00 <br><br> '''PC-D5.9. "SmartPostage"''' : Similar to Type PC-D3.2 but with square DataMatrix barcode instead of "PDF417" barcode. : “US POSTAGE PAID” at top center above "Pitney Bowes", a rate statement, and the identification number. : service indicator in Box B1 at left is narrower (not square) and the letter within is outlined rather than solid. : Lettering in the panel [C] at bottom is smaller. : Meter identification number with 024P prefix. : With value figures or without but with rate statement <br><br> '''PC-D5.9A.'''[[File: PC-D5.9B.0.1 260706.png|right|475px]] : sans-serif "a preferred / shipping service on ebay" in upper right : <u>''' [[/Mail class and other descriptive types/|Click here for type description]]'''</u> {| class="wikitable" |- ! Label Type ! Box B1 Type ! Box C Type ! <u>Meter no's</u> ! Stack B2.2 line 2 type ! Date ! Zip ! City ! Notes |- | FS6 | '''F''' | '''XIV''' | 024P0007629585 | ComBasPrice | 12/28/2015 | 85541 | PAYSON AZ | |- | FS6 | '''F''' | '''XIV''' | 024P0007629647 | ComBasPrice | 02/10/2016 | 85541 | PAYSON AZ | |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''XIV''' | 024P0007629652 | ComBasPrice | 06/21/2014 | 10509 | BREWSTER NY | |- | FS6 | '''F''' | '''XV''' | 024P0007629756 | | 03/17/2016 | 85541 | PAYSON AZ | |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''XIV''' | 024P0007629758 | ComBasPrice | 12/11/2012 | 32812 | ORLANDO FL | |- | FS6 | '''F''' | '''XIV''' | 024P0007629777 | ComBasPrice | 03/15/2017 | 17362 | SPRING GROVE PA | |- | FS6 | '''F''' | '''VI''' | 024P0007629797 | CommBasPrice | 10/19/2015 | 01970 | Salem MA | 108 x 155 mm |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''XIV''' | 024P0007632129 | ComBasPrice | 06/01/2019 | 85203 | MESA AZ | |- | FS6 | '''F''' | '''XV''' | 024P0007776044 | | 02/25/2016 | 32701 | ALTAMONTE SPG FL | |- | FS6 | '''F''' | '''XIV''' | 024P0007776131 | ComBasPrice | 02/10/2016 | 85541 | PAYSON AZ | |- | FS6 | '''F''' | '''XIV''' | 024P0007776147 | ComBasPrice | 10/17/2016 | 76251 | MONTAGUE TX | |- | FS6 | '''F''' | '''XIV''' | 024P0007776172 | ComBasPrice | 11/27/2015 | 85541 | PAYSON AZ | |- | FS6 | '''F''' | '''XIV''' | 024P0007776173 | ComBasPrice | 08/18/2015 | 20904 | SILVER SPRING MD | |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''XIV''' | 024P0007776210 | ComBasPrice | 10/27/2015 | 33187 | MIAMI FL | |- | FS6 | '''F''' | '''XIV''' | 024P0007776653 | ComBasPrice | 09/12/2016 | 12992 | WEST CHAZY NY | |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''XIV''' | 024P0007776711 | ComBasPrice | 10/12/2016 | 60543 | OSWEGO IL | |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''XIV''' | 024P0007875935 | ComBasPrice | 01/20/2015 | 85211 | MESA AZ | |- | FS6 | '''F''' | '''XIV''' | 024P0007875935 | ComBasPrice | 10/06/2015 | 33161 | FLORIDA CITY FL | |- | FS6 | '''F''' | '''VI''' | 024P0007875960 | CommBasPrice | 10/05/2015 | 01610 | Worcester MA | 96 x 151 mm |- | FS6 | '''F''' | '''XIV''' | 024P0007876028 | ComBasPrice | 01/12/2019 | 22301 | ALEXANDRIA VA | |- | FS6 | '''F''' | '''XIV''' | 024P0007876132 | ComBasPrice | 11/10/2015 | 85541 | PAYSON AZ | |- | FS6 | '''P''' | '''V''' | 024P0007876133 | CommBasPrice | 06/18/2018 | 92404 | San Bernardino CA | 92 x 161 mm |- | FS6 | '''F''' | '''VI''' | 024P0007876173 | CommBasPrice | 02/11/2019 | 30097 | Duluth GA | 101 x 161 mm |- | FS6 | '''F''' | '''XIV''' | 024P0007876761 | ComBasPrice | 10/13/2015 | 85541 | PAYSON AZ | |- | FS6 | '''F''' | '''XIV''' | 024P0007876771 | ComBasPrice | 03/12/2016 | 85541 | PAYSON AZ | |} <br><br> : <u>''' [[/Mail class and other descriptive types/|Click here for type description]]'''</u> '''PC-D5.9B.0.0.'''[[File: PC-D5.9B.png|right|475px]] [[File: PC-D5.9B.0.1 260630.png|right|475px]] : Italic "a preferred / shipping service on ebay" in upper right : Small "'''ebay'''", large space between the base of the "'''y'''" and the frame {| class="wikitable" |- ! Label Type ! Box B1 Type ! Box C Type ! <u>Meter no's</u> ! Stack B2.2 line 2 type ! Date ! Zip ! City ! Notes |- | FS6 | '''F''' | '''VI''' | 024P0007629802 | CommBasPrice | 11/25/2019 | 92404 | San Bernardino CA | 86 x 140mm |- | FS6 | '''F''' | '''VI''' | 024P0007776072 | CommBasPrice | 11/19/2018 | 65803 | Springfield MO | Blue label stock, 96 x 156 mm |- | FS6 | '''F''' | '''VI''' | 024P0007776728 | CommBasPrice | 07/05/2019 | 92404 | San Bernardino CA | 87 x 140mm |- | FS6 | '''F''' | '''VI''' | 024P0007875976 | CommBasPrice | 11/22/2019 | 02532 | | |- | FS6 | '''F''' | '''VI''' | 024P0007876188 | CommBasPrice | 05/28/2019 | 92404 | San Bernardino CA | 96 x 155mm |- | FS6 | '''F''' | '''VI''' | 024P0007876772 | CommBasPrice | 12/23/2019 | 98245 | Eastsound WA | 96 x 155mm |} <br><br> <br><br><br><br><br><br> '''PC-D5.9B.1.'''[[File: PC-D5.9B.1 250609.png|right|475px]] : As with "'''PC-D5.9B.0.''' Italic "a preferred / shipping service on ebay" in upper right : F/V $(0)0.00 above 4 lines at left of Box B2 <br><br> '''PC-D5.9B.2.'''[[File: PC-D5.9B.2 250609.png|right|475px]] : As with "'''PC-D5.9B.1.''' Italic "a preferred / shipping service on ebay" in upper right : Font in Boxes B2 and C "'''USPSIMB'''" (either Compact or Standard?) : F/V $(0)0.00 above 2 lines at left of Box B2 <br><br> '''PC-D5.9C.0.'''[[File: PC-D5.9C.0 250609.png|right|475px]] : In "Box A" at upper right "'''www.paypal.com'''" : "Box B2" 4 lines at left, Date/Zip Code/ Weight/ Zone <br><br> '''PC-D5.9C.1.'''[[File: PC-D5.9C.1 250609.png|right|475px]] : In "Box A" at upper right "'''www.paypal.com'''" : "Box B2" 2 lines at left, Date/Zip Code <br><br> [[File: USA meter stamp PC-D5.7.jpg|right|360px]] '''PC-D6.0''', 2021. : Similar to PC-D5.2 but with '''Pitney Bowes''' at the top of the point-of-sale data stacked at left of the Datamatrix barcode. : Datamatrix barcode (DM4) 19 mm square, with 4 data blocks : Below '''Pitney Bowes''' are the value figures, '''US POSTAGE''' or '''US POSTAGE IMI''', a mail class statement. : a ten-digit number, "3000156428" evidently the customer identification number, the ZIP code and the date. : V/F: $0.00o : This stamp arises from the new partnership between eBay and Pitney Bowes for "eBay Delivery Service" shipping. :: '''A'''. Inscribed '''US POSTAGE''', identification number with 026W prefix, :::::<span style="color: GREEN;"><span style="font-size: small;">Known with the following "'''Directive'''" types: "FIRST-CLASS"</span></span> '''NOTE''': Type PC-D6 is nearly identical in appearance to Type QB7. They differ only in color and in the ten-digit number that appears below the identification number, '''black''' and '''3''' for PC-D5.7, and '''red''' and '''2''' for QB7. <br><br><br><br><br><br> '''PC-D6.1.0''', 2024. : Inscribed '''US POSTAGE IMI''', with "FIM" barcode to left, Datamatrix barcode 20 mm square, with 4 data blocks, identification number with 026W prefix, : Datamatrix barcode 15 mm square, with 4 data blocks, or 27mm square, : Identification number with 026W prefix, :::::<span style="color: GREEN;"><span style="font-size: small;">Known with the following "'''Directive'''" types: "FIRST-CLASS"</span></span> <br><br><br><br><br><br> '''PC-D6.1.1''', 2024. : Inscribed '''US POSTAGE IMI''', with "FIM" barcode to left, : Datamatrix barcode 18-19 mm with 4 data blocks, : Identification number with 028W prefix, :::::<span style="color: GREEN;"><span style="font-size: small;">Known with the following "'''Directive'''" types: "FIRST-CLASS"</span></span> <br><br><br><br><br><br> ---- ===={{font|size=4|color=#2a3439|Sub-group PC-E: Franks from Envelope Manager (Endicia) software, ID numbers mostly with 07#V prefix but also 07#M, 07#S, 06#S and without ID number}}==== {{font/top|size=3|color=#0018A8}} * All the stamps have a generic design, bar code and text. The earlier stamps include "endicia.com" in the design and later ones are identifiable only by the identification number which is most commonly 071V although 071M and 071S are also found. From 2024 on, 062, and 063 are also found. An exception is Type PC-E2.2, Sub-type A, which does not show an identification number. * When first released (February 2001) the system was labeled by Indicia as "'''DAZzle 2000'''". * On November 18, 2015 Stamps.com (see Sub-group PC-C) acquired Endicia. In 2024, Stamps.com and Endicia were once again seperate, being individual divisions under a holding company. {{font/end}} {{font|size=3|color=red|'''''NOTE''': <br>Several stamps in Group Q resemble stamps in Group PC. If you don't find what you are looking for here, check there.''}} ---- <br> {{font|size=1|color=blue|''Type '''RE1''' in 2001 edition''}} '''PC-E1.1. Envelope Manager Software (Endicia Inc.) “DAZzle 2000” ''', 2000. [[File: USA PC-F2A.jpg|right|316px]] : “'''endicia.com'''” at bottom left of "PDF417(7)" barcode. : “US POSTAGE” at top right. : Stacked at center: value figures / class of mail / date / town line. : ID# with 071M, 071S, or 071V prefix at bottom right. : V/F: {{space|4}} $0'''.'''00 {{space|4}} $0'''.'''000 ::'''PC-E1.1A'''. Basic stamp without framing ::: '''a'''. Top portion above 2D barcode shifted far to the left (shown at right). This may be the result of inconsistent software rather than printer variables.[[File: USA PC-F2aa.jpg|right|316px]] ::: '''b'''. With "CORRECTION" instead of '"endicia.com" at bottom left ::: '''c'''. With "FIM" barcode at top left. ::'''PC-E1.1B'''. The stamp is in a frame with large mail class indicator at left and the class of mail spelled out below.[[File: USA PC-F2B.jpg|right|500px]] ::'''PC-E1.1C''' As '''PC-E1.1A''' but with "'''endicia.com/mac'''" at bottom left of "PDF417(7)" barcode. ::: '''a'''. With "FIM" barcode at top left. {{font|size=1|color=blue|''Type '''RE2''' in 2001 edition''}}[[File: USA PC-F3A.jpg|right|310px]] '''PC-E1.2. Envelope Manager Software (Endicia Inc.) “DAZzle 2000” ''', 2002. : As Type PC-E1.1 but the point-of-sale data is at left rather than in the center, and the sequence of data is different. : At top left: value figures/ date/ rate information : At top right: "US POSTAGE"/ "Mailed from ZIP..." : “'''endicia.com'''” at bottom left : Identification number with 071V prefix : Never with "FIM" barcode. : V/F: $0'''.'''00 :: '''PC-E1.2A'''. Basic stamp without framing ::: '''a'''. With text above bar code shifted significantly to left or right. This may be the result of inconsistent software rather than printer variables. ::: '''b'''. On large label ('''STvar''') (see Section PC intro)[[File: PC-E1.2A-b.png|right|800px]] :: '''PC-E1.2B'''. The stamp is in a frame with large mail class indicator at left and the class of mail spelled out below.[[File: USA PC-F3B.jpg|right|500px]] ::: '''d'''. Without rate information below the date[[File: USA meter stamp PC-E1p2dd.jpg|right|500px]] :: '''PC-E1.2C'''. "'''endicia.com/mac'''" at lower left, produced by systems designed for Apple computer users '''PC-E1.3. Envelope Manager Software (Endicia Inc.) “DAZzle 2000” ''', 2002. : Similar to Type PC-E1.2 but with rate statement instead of value figures. : “POSTAGE AND FEES PAID” at top above date, ZIP code, and rate statement. : “'''endicia.com'''” at bottom left ::'''PC-E1.3A'''. Basic stamp without framing [[File: USA PC-F4A.jpg|right|324px]] ::: Identification number with 071V prefix ::: '''a'''. With text above bar code shifted significantly to left or right. This may be the result of inconsistent software rather than printer variables.[[File: USA PC-F4bb.jpg|right|415px]] ::: '''b'''. On large label ('''STvar''') (see Section PC intro)[[File: PC-E1.3A-b.png|right|800px]] ::'''PC-E1.3B'''. The stamp is in a frame with large mail class indicator at left and the class of mail spelled out below.[[File: USA PC-F4B.jpg|right|500px]] ::: Identification number with 071V prefix : <u>''' [[/Mail class and other descriptive types/|Click here for Mail Class type description]]'''</u> {{font/top|size=2|color=black}} {| class="wikitable" |- ! Label Type ! Box B1 Type ! Box C Type ! <u>Meter no's</u> ! Line A Equivalent ! Stack B2.2 line 2 type ! Date ! Zip ! City ! Notes |- | '''FS5''' | '''FCM''' | '''XVI''' | 071V00515554 | A13 | | OCT 27 2011 | 55337 | BURNSVILLE MN | NO TRACKING BARCODE |- | '''FS5''' | '''F''' | '''IX''' | 071V00525268 | A11 | Commercial Base Price | JAN 5 2015 | 92705 | SANTA ANA CA | |- | '''FS5''' | '''F''' | '''IX''' | 071V00525268 | A12 | Commercial Base Price | APR 12 2016 | 92705 | SANTA ANA CA | |- | '''FS5''' | '''F''' | '''IX''' | 071V00525268 | A12 | Commercial Base Price | JAN 3 2017 | 92705 | SANTA ANA CA | |- | '''FS5''' | '''F''' | '''IX''' | 071V00525268 | A12 | Commercial Base Price | FEB 17 2017 | 92705 | SANTA ANA CA||- | |- | '''FS5''' | '''F''' | '''IX''' | 071V00525268 | A12 | Commercial Base Price | MAR 1 2017 | 92705 | SANTA ANA CA||- | |- | '''FS5''' | '''FCM''' | '''XVI''' | 071V00548099 | A13 | | APR 17 2007 | 83333 | | |- | '''FS5''' | solid black | '''VIII''' | 071V00682520 | A7 | | FEB 6 2009 | 80922 | COLORADO SPRINGS CO | |- | '''FS3''' | '''P''' | '''V''' | 071V01059238 | A11 | Commercial Plus Price | SEP 8 2020 | 30071 | NORCROSS GA | |} {{font/end}} ::: '''e'''. As '''B''', with question mark after the mail class statement: '''PRIORITY MAIL 2-DAY?''' :::: (This may be a computer error with the question mark printing in place of a registration mark (''R in circle'').)[[File:USA meter stamp PC-E1p3ee.jpg|right|500px]] ::: '''f'''. Without the "Box C" containing the class of mail below the frank [[File: USA stamp type PC-E3p1ff.jpg|right|400px]] ::: '''g'''. "Box E" with USPS emblem at left, no tracking info[[File: PC-E1.3B-g.png|right|300px]] ::: '''h'''. "Box E" with USPS emblem at left, endicia emblem at right[[File: PC-E1.3B-h.png|right|300px]] ::'''PC-E1.3C'''. As '''PC-E1.3B''' with "'''endicia.com/mac'''" at lower left, produced by systems designed for Apple computer users[[File: USA PC-F4aa.jpg|right|500px]] ::: Identification number with 071M prefix <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> ::'''PC-E1.3D'''. As '''PC-E1.3B''' with "'''endicia'''" at lower left, [[File: PC-E1.3D.png|right|500px]] ::: Identification number with 062S prefix <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> [[File: USA meter stamp PC-E1p4.jpg|right|500px]] '''PC-E1.4. Envelope Manager Software (Endicia Inc.) “DAZzle 2000” ''', 2002. : Similar to Type PC-E1.3B but with logo and "'''endicia'''" at upper right. : The ID number is above the 2D bar code at right. : The date is below the mail class designation at left. : Identification number with "071V" prefix. : Seem on large label that includes customs information. {{font|size=1|color=blue|''Type '''RE3''' in 2001 edition''}}[[File: USA PC-F5.jpg|right|530px]] '''PC-E2.1. Envelope Manager Software (Endicia Inc.) ''', 2002. : Found only on the top of large address labels downloaded directly from the USPS web site. : In wide box at right is the 2D "PDF417" barcode. : To the left of the 2D barcode are "US POSTAGE" vertical, "WWW.USPS.COM", value figures, and date. : A series of nine 4-digit numbers is above the 2D barcode, and the ZIP code and identification number with 071V prefix are below. : Very large “P” (for Priority Mail) or “E” (for Express Mail) in box at left. : Across the bottom is the class of mail spelled out. : V/F: {{space|4}} $0'''.'''00 [[File:MeterCat 5 spaces.jpg|15px]]$00'''.'''00 {{font|size=1|color=blue|''Type '''RE4''' in 2001 edition''}} [[File: USA stamp type PC-G2 B.jpg|right|580px]] '''PC-E2.2. Envelope Manager Software (Endicia Inc.) '''. : Stamp similar to PC-E2.1 with "PDF417" barcode but with panel at top containing USPS eagle logo at left and '''Click-N-Ship'''&reg; logo at right. : This appears to be a replacement for type PC-E2.1. : Identification number, with 071V prefix, at right of the ZIP code : V/F: {{space|4}} $(0)0'''.'''00 :: '''Note'''. For similar item without identification number see "'''PC-G3'''" <br><br><br><br><br><br> '''PC-E2.3. Envelope Manager Software (Endicia Inc.) '''. [[File: USA stamp type PC-G5.jpg|right|1000px]] <br><br><br><br><br><br> : Nearly identical to Types PC-C5.2 (Stamps.com) and PC-D3.3 (Pitney Bowes) except for the identification number which has "071V" prefix. '''PC-E3.1. Endicia.com ''', 2010. : Square "DataMatrix" barcode at right with company identity reading down at far right. : Text from top, at left of barcode: "US POSTAGE AND FEES PAID", mail class (''may be omitted''), date (mmm dd yyyy), ZIP code, rate statement (''may be omitted''), "CommBasePrice" or "CommPlusPrice" (''may be omitted'') : Later stamps also include a second, more specific, rate statement. (''see the image for "b" below'') : ID# with 071S or 071V prefix below 2D barcode. :: '''A1'''. Company identity "endicia.com" (longer than DataMatrix is tall), barred "I" font[[File: USA stamp type PC-F12 better.jpg|right|520px]] ::: ID# with 071S or 071V prefix below 2D barcode. <br><br><br><br><br><br> ::::: '''c'''. Printed on short label containing tracking bar code but not the destination address[[File: USA stamp type PC-E2p1cc.jpg|right|320px]] <br><br><br><br><br><br> ::::: '''e'''. Datamatrix bar code field contains vertical bars, probably caused by a malfunction [[File:USA meter stamp PC-E2p1ee.jpg|right|500px]] <br><br><br><br><br><br> :: '''A2.1'''. Company identity "endicia.com" (shorter than DataMatrix is tall), unbarred "I" font ::: ID# with 071S prefix below 2D barcode. <br><br><br><br><br><br> ::::: '''b'''. Text at top truncated: "US POSTAGE AND FEES P"[[File: USA stamp type PC-F12bb.jpg|right|550px]] : <u>''' [[/Mail class and other descriptive types/|Click here for Mail Class type description]]'''</u> {| class="wikitable" |- ! Label type ! Box B1 TYPE ! Box C type ! Meter number ! Line A equivalent ! Stack B2.2 line 2 type ! Date ! Zip code ! City ! Notes |- | FS4 | '''P''' | XXXIII | 071S00799149 | A17 | Commercial Plus Pricing | Nov 27 2017 | 37801 | MARYVILLE TN | |- | FS4 | Black | VIII | 071S00773763 | A7 | | Dec 19 2017 | 30605 | ATHENS GA | |- | FS4 | Black | VIII | 071S00773763 | A7 | | Dec 22 2017 | 30605 | ATHENS GA | |- | | '''F''' | IX | 071S00913234 | A18 | CommercialBasePrice | Aug 04 2014 | 33351 | SUNRISE FL | subtype "b" |- | FS4 | '''F''' | IX | 071S00917592 | A18 | CommercialBasePrice | Feb 11 2014 | 11220 | BROOKLYN NY | |- | FS4 | '''F''' | IX | 071S00917592 | A18 | CommercialBasePrice | Oct 11 2014 | 11220 | BROOKLYN NY | |} :: '''A2.2'''. Company identity "endicia.com" (shorter than DataMatrix is tall), unbarred "I" font [[File:PC-E3.1A2.png|right|550px]] ::: ID# with 071V prefix below 2D barcode. <br><br><br><br><br><br> ::::: '''f'''. Datamatrix bar code field is wider than tall, not square [[File:USA meter stamp PC-E3.1ff.jpg|right|380px]] : <u>''' [[/Mail class and other descriptive types/|Click here for Mail Class type description]]'''</u> {| class="wikitable" |- ! Label type ! Box B1 TYPE ! Box C type ! Meter number ! Line A equivalent ! Stack B2.2 line 2 type ! Date ! Zip code ! City ! Notes |- | FS4 | black box | VIII | 071V00908463 | A16 | | Dec 21 2017 | 75104 | CEDAR HILL TX | 2 copies, framed |- | FS4 | '''P''' | XXXIII | 071V00970570 | A17 | CommercialBasePrice | Jun 05 2018 | 28052 | | shorter Enddicia on right |- | | | | | | | | | | |- | | | | | | | | | | |} :: '''B1'''. Company identity is a round logo and "endicia" (''first seen in late 2018'') ::: Unframed ::: ID# with 071S prefix below 2D barcode. :::::'''-1''' Top two lines bold [[File: PC-E3.1B1-1.png|right|540px]] <br><br><br><br><br><br> :::::'''-2''' All but top line and fifth line bold [[File: PC-E3.1B1-2.png|right|540px]] <br><br><br><br><br><br> :::::'''-3''' All lines bold [[File: PC-E3.1B1-3.png|right|540px]] <br><br><br><br><br><br> :: '''B2'''. Company identity is a round logo and "endicia" [[File: USA meter stamp PC-E3.1B.jpg|right|540px]] ::: ID# with 071V prefix below 2D barcode. : ''subtypes unknown '' ::::: '''a'''. Datamatrix barcode field omitted ::::: '''d'''. Printed without the tracking bar code <br><br><br><br><br><br> [[File: USA stamp type PC-F12point1.jpg|right|520px]] '''PC-E3.2. Endicia.com''', 2014. : Similar to Type PC-E3.1 with square "DataMatrix" barcode, but the value figures are at upper left and "US POSTAGE" is alone at top center. : ID# with 071V prefix seen. : V/F: {{space|4}} $00'''.'''00 [[File: USA stamp type PC-E2p3.jpg|right|340px]] '''PC-E3.3A. Endicia.com''', 2015. : Similar to Types PC-E3.1 and PC-E3.2 but "U.S. POSTAGE" is lower, below the date and ZIP code. : The value figures are at far left. : One seen, with "FIM" bar code at upper left. : ID# with 071V prefix seen. : '''endicia.com''' reads down. : V/F: {{space|4}} $00'''.'''00 [[File: USA meter stamp PC-E3p3B.jpg|right|365px]] '''PC-E3.3B. Endicia.com'''. : As Type PC-E3.3A but with rate statement instead of value figures. : ID# with 071V prefix seen. : '''endicia.com''' reads up. Note: Items formersly listed as "'''PC-E3.3C'''" and "'''PC-E3.3D'''" are now listed as "'''PC-E3.8.1'''" AND "'''PC-E3.8.2'''" RESPECTIVELY. [[File:USA stamp type PC-E2p4.jpg|right|520px]] '''PC-E3.4. Endicia.com''', 2016. : Similar to Type PC-E3.1 but inscribed "U.S. POSTAGE PAID" without "AND FEES". Also the inscription is centered rather than high. : Below "US POSTAGE PAID" is "From ZIP ##### and a rate statement. : Rather than a large mail classification code, the mailer's name and address is found in the box at left. : ID# with 071S prefix seen. <br><br><br> [[File:USA meter stamp PC-E3.5.jpeg|right|410px]] '''PC-E3.5. Endicia.com''', 2018. : Square DataMatrix barcode as with previous PC-E3 types but with round logo and "endicia" horizontal at bottom left instead of vertical at right. : Text at left of barcode: At top (not fully visible in the image): "US POSTAGE AND FEES PAID" above the weight and mail class, price modification statement, date, ZIP code, identification number, a "CID" (<i>'''C'''ontract '''ID''' identification</i>) number, and the Endicia logo. : No value figures are shown : ID# with 071V prefix seen. : The example reported was used on international mail. <br><br><br> '''PC-E3.6. Endicia''', 2024. [[File:PC-E3.6.png|right|410px]] : Square DataMatrix barcode as with previous PC-E3 types with "endicia" vertical at right but without round logo. : Most similar to type '''PC-E3.1A2''' : No line separating Box B1 and Box B2. : Text at left of barcode: At top (not fully visible in the image): "US POSTAGE AND FEES PAID" above the weight and mail class, '''IMI''' following mail class : Price modification statement, date, ZIP code, Mail class 1, Mail class 2, a "CID" (<i>'''C'''ontract '''ID'''entification</i>) number, Mail class 3. : No value figures are shown : ID# with 063S prefix below bar code. <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> '''PC-E3.7. Endicia''', 2025. [[File:PC-E3.7 251201.png|right|410px]] : Square DataMatrix barcode as with previous PC-E3 types with "endicia" vertical at right but without round logo. : Most similar to type '''PC-E3.6''' : Text at left of barcode: At top: "US POSTAGE" above the weight and mail class, : Stacked below are:Mail Class I with '''IMI''' following mail class, date, ZIP code, Mail class 2, Mail class 3, Mail class 4, a "CID" (<i>'''C'''ontract '''ID'''entification</i>) 8 digit number, . : F/V: "'''$0.00'''" : ID# with 063S prefix below bar code. :: '''PC-E3.7.1'''. With green banner to left inscribed "'''USPS CERTIFIED MAIL ^TM'''", barcode below [[File:PC-E3.7.1.png|right|650px]] <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> [[File: USA meter stamp PC-E3.3B.jpg|right|230px]] '''PC-E3.8.1. Endicia.com'''. : As Type PC-E3.3A but with different endicia logo. : ID# with 071S prefix seen. : Circular logo and '''endicia''' read down. '''NOTE''': The extremely narrow stamp impression shown appears to be a printer/feeder error rather than a software variation. <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> [[File: USA meter stamp PC-E3.3D.jpg|right|365px]] '''PC-E3.8.2. Endicia.com'''. : As Type PC-E3.3C but with rate statement instead of value figures. : ID# with 071V prefix seen. : Circular logo and '''endicia''' read down. <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> '''PC-E3.9. Endicia''' [[File:PC-E3.9 260623.png|right|410px]] : As Type PC-E3.3A but with "'''IMI'''" on the rate class line : ID# with '''063S''' prefix seen. : '''endicia''' reads down. <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> '''PC-E4.1. Endicia.com''', 2024. [[File:PC-E4.1 250402B.png|right|410px]] : Box B1 with block letter indicating postal class, "G" a New Helvetica Block font : Box B2 with "US POSTAGE & FEES PAID" in top line on left. With 3 lines below indicating rate class. : 3 lines at top right, ID at top, customer ID below, source zip code at base. : PDF 417(8) barcode with "endicia" (new logo) at right but without old round logo. :::::<span style="color: GREEN;"><span style="font-size: small;">Known with the following "'''Directive'''" types [BOX C]: "USPS GROUND ADVANTAGE" ['''XXIX'''] </span></span> : <u>''' [[/Mail class and other descriptive types/|Click here for Mail Class type description]]''' (Directives/ Directionals)</u> <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> '''PC-E5.1. Endicia.com''', 2024. [[File:PC-E5.1 250402B.png|right|410px]] : Box B1 with block letter indicating postal class, "G" a New Helvetica Block font : Box B2 with "US POSTAGE & FEES PAID IMI" in top line on left. With 3 lines below indicating rate class. : 2 lines at top right, ID at top, source zip code at base. : PDF 417(8) barcode with "endicia" (new logo) at right but without old round logo. :::::<span style="color: GREEN;"><span style="font-size: small;">Known with the following "'''Directive'''" types [BOX C]: "USPS GROUND ADVANTAGE TM" ['''VI'''], "USPS PRIORITY MAIL ®" [ “large ‘R-circle’”] ['''XVIII'''] </span></span> : <u>''' [[/Mail class and other descriptive types/|Click here for Mail Class type description]]''' (Directives/ Directionals)</u> <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> ---- ===={{font|size=4|color=#2a3439|Sub-group PC-F: Franks generated by EasyPost software, with "easypost" in the frank}}==== {{font/top|size=3|color=#0018A8}} * EasyPost is a software company that provides companies with integrated shipping options through USPS and several private carriers. * The company was founded in 2012 although the first stamp came to our attention in 2016. {{font/end}} ---- <br> [[File: USA stamp type PC-G1.jpg|right|500px]] '''PC-F1.1. "EasyPost" ''' (digital/thermal), 2016 but possibly as early as 2012. : The stamps we have seen appear on large address labels. : The stamp contains a PDF417 barcode which sits under "US POSTAGE AND FEES PAID" and '''{{font|size=5|easypost}}''' at the right of the stamp. : Left of the barcode are the date, ZIP code, "CID" (''number'') or "C" (number), and '''COMBASE''' or '''ComBasPrice''' (with no value figures). : Along the bottom are the weight and identification number with "0901" prefix. :: '''A'''. The stamp is in a frame with large mail class indicator at left (Box B1) and the class of mail spelled out below (Box C) :: '''B'''. The stamp appears by itself with no framing or large mail class indicator <br> [[File: PC-F1.2.png|right|475px]] '''PC-F1.2. "EasyPost" ''' (digital/thermal), 2025 : As type "'''PC-F1.1'''" With heavier and slightly different typeface and spacing. {| class="wikitable" |- ! <u>label type</u> ! <u>box B1</u> ! <u>Meter Number</u> ! <u>Customer ID</u> ! <u>Box C</u> ! <u>Date</u> ! <u>Zipcode</u> ! <u>Note</u> |- | FS5? | G | 0901000008391 | C4190745 | | 2025-04-08 | 29169 | |- | FS5 | G | 0901000019068 | C4002372 | | 2025-05-19 | 90640 | |- |} <br><br><br><br> [[File:USA meter stamp PC-F1p2.jpg|right|480px]] '''PC-F2.1. "easypost" ''' (digital/thermal). : Similar to Type PC-F1 but inscribed "US POSTAGE PAID" rather than "US POSTAGE AND FEES PAID" : The text, including '''{{font|size=4|easypost}}''', is in a lighter and wider font than found on PC-F1. : Also, without "CID" and number and with small '''ComBasPrice''' instead of '''COMBASE'''. : And finally, the zeros are slashed. <br><br><br><br> [[File: PC-F2.2 260621mh.jpg|right|480px]] '''PC-F2.2. "easypost" ''' (digital/thermal). : Similar to Type PC-F2.1 but inscribed "US POSTAGE PAID IMI" rather than "US POSTAGE PAID" : The text/ font is similar to that found on PC-F1. <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> [[File:USA meter stamp PC-F1.3.jpg|right|540px]] '''PC-F3.1. "EasyPost" ''' (digital/thermal), 2021. : As Type PC-F1 but the {{font|size=4|'''easypost.'''}} logo now has a period after it. The web address "{{size=2|'''easypost.com/signup'''}}" was added below the logo. : This stamp includes a postage value which is preceded by "Retail" on the stamp we have seen. : V/F: {{space|4}} $0.00 : '''Note''': The origin ZIP code and customer ID have been blurred in the stamp photo. <br><br><br><br> [[File:Easypost PC-F1.4.png|right|500px]] '''PC-F3.2. "EasyPost" ''' (digital/thermal), 2022. ::: Easypost Logo as PC-F3.1 ::: The stamp is in a frame with large mail class indicator at left (Box B1) and the class of mail spelled out below (Box C) ::: No value figures ::: {{space|4}} '''Box B1''' {{space|4}} "'''F'''" ::: {{space|10}} {{space|4}} "USPS FIRST-CLASS PACKAGE" ::: {{space|20}} 0901000004578 {{space|4}}C4000013 {{space|4}}83713 {{space|4}}2022-09-02{{space|4}}BOISE, ID ::: {{space|4}} '''Box B1''' {{space|4}}"'''P'''" ::: {{space|10}} {{space|4}} "USPS PRIORITY MAIL" ::: {{space|20}} 0901000004698 {{space|4}} {{space|4}}28405 {{space|4}}{{space|4}}WILMINGTON, NC <br><br><br><br> [[File:PC-F4.png|right|500px]] '''PC-F4.1. "EasyPost" ''' (digital/thermal), 2022. ::: Easypost Logo different ::: The stamp is in a frame with large mail class indicator at left (Box B1) and the class of mail spelled out below (Box C) ::: No value figures ::: {{space|4}} '''Box B1''' {{space|4}}"'''P'''" ::: {{space|10}} {{space|4}} "USPS PRIORITY MAIL" ::: {{space|20}} 0901000005499 {{space|4}}C4017644 {{space|4}}83709 {{space|4}}2022-11-18{{space|4}}BOISE, ID <br><br> [[File:PC-F5.png|right|500px]] '''PC-F4.2. "EasyPost" ''' (digital/thermal), 2022. ::: Easypost Logo same as "'''PC-F4.1'''" :: '''a'''. With FIM barcode to the left [[File:PC-F4.2a.png|right|650px]] <br><br><br><br><br><br> [[File:PC-F4.4.jpg|right|500px]] '''PC-F4.4. "EasyPost" ''' (digital/thermal), 2023. ::: Easypost Logo same as "'''PC-F4.1'''" without the web address. : <u>''' [[/Mail class and other descriptive types/|Click here for Mail Class type description]]'''</u> {| class="wikitable" |- ! Label Type ! Box B1 Type ! Box C Type ! <u>Meter no's</u> ! Stack B2.2 line 2 type ! Date ! Zip ! Customer ID ! Note |- | FS5 wide | '''G''' | '''VI''' | 0901000001316 | Commercial | 2024-11-11 | 43228 | C4018567 | 012.0 ZONE 2 |- | FS5 | '''G''' | '''VI''' | 0901000008901 | Commercial | 2023-12-01 | 60607 | C4650528 | 0.10 CUBIC ZONE 3 |- | FS5 | '''G''' | '''VI''' | 0901000010389 | Commercial | 2023-12-28 | 63376 | C5299422 | 5.0 OZ ZONE 4 |- | FS5 | '''P''' | '''XXXI''' | 0901000014322 | Commercial | 2024-06-27 | 63376 | C5299422 | 0.20 CUBIC ZONE 4 |} <br><br> '''PC-F4.5. "EasyPost" ''' (digital/thermal), 2025. ::: Easypost Logo same as "'''PC-F4.4'''" without the web address. :: '''a'''. With FIM barcode to the left [[File:PC-F4.5 250415.png|right|500px]] <br><br><br><br><br><br> '''PC-F4.6. "EasyPost" ''' (digital/thermal), 2026. ::: Easypost Logo same as "'''PC-F4.4'''" without the web address. ::: "'''US POSTAGE PAID IMI'''" [[File:PC-F4.6 250901B.png|right|500px]] <br><br><br><br><br><br> [[File:PC-F55.png|right|500px]] '''PC-F5. "Chit Chats" ''' (digital/thermal), 2023. ::: Similar to "'''PC-F4.2'''" ::: Easypost Logo replaced by "'''Chit Chats'''" : V/F: {{space|4}} $0.00 <br><br> [[File:PC-F6.png|right|500px]] '''PC-F6. "Sendle" ''' (digital/thermal), 2023. ::: Similar to "'''PC-F4.1'''" ::: Easypost Logo replaced by "'''Sendle>'''" <br><br> ---- ===={{font|size=4|color=#2a3439|Sub-group PC-G: Franks generated by U.S. Postal Service software, without a vendor's identification number.}}==== {{font/top|size=3|color=#0018A8}} * These stamps are a type of Post Office stamp (Group PO) but because they are generated online at the Postal Services's web site, they are listed here.. * The stamp was first reported in 2021. {{font/end}} ---- <br> {{font/top|size=3|color=black}} [[File: USA meter stamp PC-G1.jpg|right|400px]] '''PC-G1.''' (digital), 2021 but possibly earlier. : The stamp is a large tracking label similar to Type PC-C5.1 with the USPS logo and "Click-N-Ship"® in the top panel. The ''postage'' part of the label is immediately below and at right. It contains in its upper left corner, "usps.com, the value figures, '''US POSTAGE''', and a rate statement. The date is at lower left. At top right is a tracking number. At lower center is '''Mailed from''' and the ZIP code. In the center is a larger '''U.S. POSTAGE PAID''' above a small '''Click-N-Ship'''®, all backed by a field of wavy pale blue lines. : V/F: $(00)0.00 [[File: USA meter stamp PC-G1 detail.jpg|left|500px]] {{font/end}} <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> [[File: PC-G2.png|right|400px]] '''PC-G2.1''' (digital), 2023 but possibly earlier. : Similar to "'''PC-G1'''" but with a square Datamatrix barcode at the right of box "'''B2'''". : Includes numbers to right of date, perhaps customer ID : Label type "'''FS6'''" : V/F: $(00)0.00 {| class="wikitable" |- ! Mail Rate Class ! Type ! Date ! Mailed from Zip Code ! "'''Box C'''" Mail Class |- | P | Flat Rate Env | 05/08/2023 | 63005 | XXX |- | G | Insured | 06/20/2024 | 02453 | VI |- | | | | |} : <u>''' [[/Mail class and other descriptive types/|Click here for Mail Class type description]]'''</u> <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> [[File: PC-G2.2.png|right|250px]] '''PC-G2.2''' (digital), 2024 but possibly earlier. : Similar to "'''PC-G2.1'''" but with security print under "US POSTAGE PAID" more heavily segmented : Includes numbers to right of date, perhaps customer ID : Label type "'''FS6'''" : V/F: $(00)0.00 <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> [[File: PPS-G2.3.png|right|400px]] '''PC-G2.3''' (digital), 2024 but possibly earlier. : Security print in "Box B2" similar to "'''PC-G2.1'''" but : "Box D" more similar to "'''PC-G2.2'''" : Includes numbers to right of date, perhaps customer ID : Label type "'''FS6'''" : V/F: $(00)0.00 <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> [[File: PC-G2.4.png|right|400px]] '''PC-G2.4''' (digital), 2024 : Security print in "Box B2" similar to "'''PC-G2.1'''" but : Box A with USPS logo to left, "USPS APIs" to right : "Box D" only with return address and destination to the right of 2D barcode : Includes numbers to right of date, perhaps customer ID : Label type "'''FS6'''" <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> '''PC-G2.5''' (digital), 2026 [[File: PC-G2.5 260630.png|right|250px]] : USPS Emblem at left, above "'''USPS APIs'''" : Barcode at right, above date, "'''US POSTAGE'''" : Value "'''$0.00'''" : Postage class at base (?) <br><br><br><br> {{font|size=1|color=blue|''Type '''RE4''' in 2001 edition''}}[[File: USA PC-G2.jpg|right|550px]] '''PC-G3. Envelope Manager Software (Endicia Inc.) '''. : Stamp similar to PC-E2.1 with "PDF417" barcode but with panel at top containing USPS eagle logo at left and '''Click-N-Ship'''&reg; logo at right. : This appears to be a replacement for type PC-E2.1. : Without identification number : See also "'''PC-E2.2'''" for similar item with identification number starting with "071V" : V/F: {{space|4}} $(0)0'''.'''00, <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> ---- ===={{font|size=4|color=#2a3439|1=Sub-group PC-H: Franks generated by Francotyp-Postalia software, with "FP" logo in the frank}}==== {{font/top|size=3|color=#0018A8}} * Francotyp-Postalia first entered the U.S. postage meter market in 2000. Only one stamp has been reported so far, and it is dated from 2019. Earlier dates are likely. {{font/end}} {{font|size=3|color=red|'' The status of this item has been questioned, more information or scans would be important to have, please reply to editor.''}} ---- <br> {{font/top|size=3|color=black}} [[File: USA meter stamp PC-H1.jpg|right|500px]] '''PC-H1. "Francotyp-Postalia" ''' (digital/thermal), 2019 but probably earlier. : The one stamp reported appears on alarge address label with the top (postage) section containing a PDF417 barcode. : Above the barcode are, at left: the value figures and date, at center: the FP logo, and at right: '''US POSTAGE''', Mailed From [5-digit ZIP code], and the identification number with 032A prefix. : '''ComBasPrice''' appears below the date on this stamp. : The stamp is in a frame with large mail class indicator at left and the class of mail spelled out below. : V/F: $ (00)0.000 {{font/end}} <br><br><br><br> ---- ===={{font|size=4|color=#2a3439|1=Sub-group PC-I: Franks generated by stamps/endicia}}==== ---- '''PC-I''' 2005. : With "''''''PC-I4''' : All group "'''PC-I'''" '''stamps_endicia''' logo replacing the stamps.com logo right of "PDF417(7)" barcode. : "US POSTAGE & FEES PAID" at top left above rate statement. : <u>''' [[/Mail class and other descriptive types/|Click here for type description]]'''</u> <br><br> '''PC-I1.'''. 2 lines at upper right, Meter number/zip code (Box B2). ::: {{space|10}} Stamp at top right of address label with large mail class indicator (of various sizes) or solid block to its left (Box B1) and the class of mail spelled out below (Box C). '''PC-I1.1.''' Prefix "'''026W'''" [[File: PC-I1.1 260706.png|right|450px]] {{font/top|size=2}} : ’’’Known usage’’’: {| class="wikitable" |- ! Form size ! Box B1 Type ! Box C Type ! <u>Meter no's</u> ! ! Line A type ! Line B type ! Line C type ! Date ! Zip ! City ! Notes |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''I''' | 026W00048272786 | "'''FREES'''" | A1 | B1 | C3 | 04/11/2022 | 07036 | LINDEN, NJ | Box F: order info? |- | | | | | | | | | | | | |- | | | | | | | | | | | |} {{font/end}} <br><br> ::: '''PC-I1.2.''' Prefix "'''062S'''" {{font/top|size=2}} [[File: PC-C2.4.2A.png|right|450px]] {| class="wikitable" |- ! Form size ! Box B1 Type ! Box C Type ! <u>Meter no's</u> ! ! Line A type ! Line B type ! Line C type ! Date ! Zip ! City ! Notes |- | FS5 | '''1''' | '''XXXIV''' | 062S0000618312 | | A4 | B0 | C5 | 04/16/2019 | 92373 | INGLEWOOD CA | Box E: Blank, no tracking #, Framed |- | FS5 | '''1''' | '''XXXIV''' | 062S0000618312 | | A4 | B0 | C5 | 02/25/2020 | 92373 | INGLEWOOD CA | Box E: Blank, no tracking #, Framed |- | FS5 | '''1''' | '''XXXIV''' | 062S0000618312 | | A6 | | C5 | 01/02/2020 | 92373 | INGLEWOOD CA | Box E: Blank, no tracking #, Framed |- | FS5 | '''1''' | '''XXXIV''' | 062S0000618312 | | A6 | | C5 | 01/30/2020 | 92373 | INGLEWOOD CA | Box E: Blank, no tracking #, |- | FS5 | '''1''' | '''XXXIV''' | 062S0000618312 | | A4 | B0 | C5 | 05/19/2020 | 92324 | INGLEWOOD CA | Box E: Blank, no tracking #, Framed |- | FS5 | '''P''' | '''V''' | 062S0006097059 | | A5 | B7 | C4 | 10/05/2018 | 45177 | VALENCIA CA | Order info |- | FS5 | '''E''' | '''XXXV''' | 062S0006097059 | | A19 | B2 | C3 | 11/25/2019 | 45177 | VALENCIA CA | Order info |- | FS5 | '''F''' | III | 062S0009416802 | | A1 | B1 | C3 | 05/10/2022 | 14150 | Chesterfield MI | Order info, framed |} {{font/end}} <br><br> [[File: USA meter stamp PC-C2.5C.jpg|right|890px]] [[File: USA meter stamp PC-C2p5B.jpg|right|860px]] '''PC-I1.3 ''' 2014. : Similar to Type PC-C2.4 but the '''stamps_endicia''' logo is above the right end of the "PDF417{8)" barcode. : Meter number with 062S prefix. : Manufacturer's logo is "'''stamps endicia'''". :: '''.1'''. With value figures: {{spaces|5}} $00'''.'''00 :: '''.2'''. With "US POSTAGE & FEES PAID" instead of value figures. <br><br><br> '''PC-I1.4''' ''2015.'' : Very similar to Type PC-C2.3B but "U.S. POSTAGE" is right of the value figures rather than below them. : Meter number with 062S prefix. : PDF417(7) barcode : Manufacturer's logo is '''stamps_endicia''' logo[[File: PC-C2.6B.png|right|500px]] : V/F: {{space|4}} $(0)0'''.'''00 <br><br> '''PC-I1.5.''' 2020. : With barcode as with previous PC-C2 types but with the value figures and "US POSTAGE" at top above the date and "Mailed from ZIP" and ZIP code. : Below the bar code is the '''stamps_endicia''' logo at left and the identification number at right. : The identification number prefix is uncertain as the stamp we have seen appears to suffer from a software glitch. (See the illustration.) : PDF417(4) barcode : V/F: {{space|4}} $0'''.'''00 :: '''1'''. Manufacturer's logo is '''stamps endicia''' large :: '''2'''. Manufacturer's logo is '''stamps endicia''' small [[File: USA meter stamp PC-C2.8.jpg|left|400px]] [[File: PC-C2.8B.png|right|400px]] <br><br><br> '''PC-I1.6.''' 2021. : Similar to PC-C2.8 but with a rate statement rather than value figures. : Above the "PDF417(7)" bar code: :- US POSTAGE AND FEES PAID :- date, Mailed from ZIP [code] :- weight and rate statement(s) : Below the bar code: '''stamps_endicia''' logo at left and the identification number with 062S prefix at right :: '''1'''. Large '''stamps_endicia''' logo, 062S with 7 digits :: '''2'''. Small '''stamps_endicia''' logo, 062S with 10 digits, FS5 label [[File: USA meter stamp PC-C2.9.jpg|left|400px]] [[File: PC-C2.9B.png|right|400px]] <br><br> '''PC-I1.7.''' 2025. [[File: PC-C8 250601.png|right|360px]] : Similar to types "'''PC-C2.1, PC-C2.2'''" : Corporate logo as '''stamps_endicia''' logo : Town line with town, state and ZIP code or with '''MAILED FROM''' and ZIP code. : Identification number with 062S prefix below right of 2D "PDF417(3)" barcode. : With "'''FIM'''" barcode at upper left : V/F: {{space|4}} $0'''.'''00 <br><br> {{font/top|size=2|color=black}} '''PC-I2.1'''. 3 lines at upper right, Meter number / customer ID number / zip code ('''Box B2'''). '''Box F''' blank or with Proprietary info. :::{{space|10}}Stamp at top right of address label with large mail class indicator (of various sizes) or solid block to its left (Box B1) and the class of mail spelled out below (Box C). ::: {{space|10}} PDF417(7) across bottom [[File:USA meter stamp PC-C2p4ccc.jpg|right|450px]] : <u>''' [[/Mail class and other descriptive types/|Click here for type description]]'''</u> {| class="wikitable" |- ! Form size ! Box B1 Type ! Box C Type ! <u>Meter no's</u> ! Customer ID ! Line A type ! Line B type ! Line C type ! Date ! Zip ! City ! Notes |- | FS5? | BLACK | '''VIII''' | 062S0001435225 | 11675116 | A7 | B1 | | 02/24/2023 | 91311 | CHATSWORTH, CA | BOX F: order info |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''III''' | 062S00014423-- | 8014-- | A1 | B1 | C3 | 12/12/2022 | 84032 | HEBER CITY, UT | Box F= order info |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''III''' | 062S0001442380 | 9726250 | A1 | B1 | C3 | 12/15/2022 | 28674 | PINEHURST, NC | Box F= order info |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''III''' | 062S0001442584 | 7557381 | A1 | B1 | C3 | 12/21/2022 | 37211 | NASHVILLE, TN | |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''III''' | 062S0001442597 | 7395525 | A1 | B1 | C3 | 01/10/2023 | 90058 | VERNON, CA | Box F= order info |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''III''' | 062S0001442618 | 7395525 | A1 | B1 | C3 | 01/10/2023 | 92618 | IRVINE, CA | Box F= order info |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''III''' | 062S0001442648 | 7535523 | A1 | B1 | C3 | 12/15/2022 | 54115 | DE PERE, WI | Box F= order info |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''III''' | 062S0001442652 | 7535523 | A1 | B1 | C3 | 12/16/2022 | 54115 | DE PERE, WI | Box F= order info |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''III''' | 062S0001442674 | 7460441 | A1 | B1 | C3 | 12/21/2022 | 63367 | LAKE SAINT LOUIS, MO | Box F= order info |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''III''' | 062S0001442685 | 9619750 | A1 | B1 | C3 | 01/11/2023 | 94931 | COTATI, CA | Box F= order info |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''III''' | 062S000144269- | 7395525 | A1 | B1 | C3 | 01/11/2023 | 90058 | VERNON, CA | Box F= order info |- | FS5? | '''P''' | '''V''' | 062S0001443299 | 6080690 | A5 | B5 | C4 | 11/17/2022 | 32174 | ORMOND BEACH, FL | |- | FS5? | '''F''' | '''III''' | 062S0001484855 | 17633955 | A1 | B1 | C3 | 03/08/2023 | 68048 | PLATTSMOUTH, (NE) | PC malfunction? Missing Box B2 barcode and insignia |- | FS5? | '''F''' | '''I''' | 062S0009145384 | 8290678 | A1 | B3 | C1 | 02/05/2018 | 98338 | GRAHAM, WA | |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''III''' | 062S0008589402 | 7557381 | A1 | B1 | C3 | 09/19/2022 | 37211 | NASHVILLE, TN | |- | FS5? | '''F''' | '''III''' | 062S0009146178 | 8239329 | A1 | B1 | C3 | 09/21/2022 | 60543 | OSWEGO, IL | Box F order info |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''III''' | 062S0009418949 | 7523319 | A1 | B2 | C3 | 09/22/2020 | 30518 | Buford, GA | Box F order info |- | FS5? | '''F''' | '''I''' | 062S0009564660 | 7778491 | A1 | B3 | C3 | 10/22/2018 | 91304 | CANOGA PARK, CA | BOX F with Business Info |- | FS5 | '''P''' | '''V''' | 062S0009564879 | 7733098 | A20 | B6 | C3 | 10/17/2022 | 33619 | TAMPA, FL | |- | FS5? | '''1''' | '''I''' | 062S0009565018 | 10860336 | A4 | B0 | C5 | 04/06/2020 | 33458 | JUPITER, FL | |- | FS5 | '''P''' | '''V''' | 062S0010887747 | 8128979 | A3 | B1 | C4 | 06/13/2022 | 33167 | MIAMI, FL | BOX F with Prop Info |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''II''' | 062S0010937521 | 10709064 | A1 | B1 | C3 | 02/08/2021 | 92648 | HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA | BOX F with Order Info |- | FS5 | '''X''' | '''II''' | 062S0010984631 | 10354575 | A8 | B2 | C3 | 04/27/2020 | 11791 | SYOSSET, FL (ERROR FOR NY) | BOX F ORDER Info |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''III''' | 062S0011128915 | 8051382 | A2 | B1 | C3 | 10/19/2020 | 53715 | MADISON, WI | |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''III''' | 062S0011129014 | 8051382 | A2 | B1 | C3 | 09/30/2020 | 53715 | MADISON, WI | |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''XXXIV''' | 062S0011268712 | 6822160 | A1 | B2 | C3 | 04/24/2020 | 99224 | Spokane, WA | |- | FS5? | '''P''' | '''IV''' | 062S0011682632 | 10232544 | A3 | B1 | C4 | 02/08/2021 | 31558 | SAINT MARYS, GA | |- | FS4? | '''P''' | '''IV''' | 062S0011682632 | 10232544 | A3 | B1 | C4 | 09/29/2022 | 31558 | SAINT MARYS, GA | |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''XXXIV''' | 062S0011692018 | 9897390 | A1 | B1 | C3 | 01/30/2020 | 55358 | Maple Lake, MN | order info in Box F |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''III''' | 062S0011692109 | 9897299 | A1 | B1 | C3 | 09/19/2022 | 30101 | ACWORTH, GA | BOX F with Order Info |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''III''' | 062S0012584392 | 5455555 | A1 | B1 | C3 | 10/27/2020 | 33458 | JUPITER, FL | |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''III''' | 062S0012584433 | 16035441 | A1 | B1 | C3 | 09/19/2022 | 84096 | HERRIMAN, UT | BOX F with Order Info |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''III''' | 062S0012584494 | 6916215 | A1 | B1 | C3 | 09/21/2022 | 85298 | GILBERT, AZ | |- | FS5 | '''P''' | '''V''' | 062S0012584517 | 17771454 | A5 | B5 | C4 | 08/22/2022 | 32401 | PANAMA CITY, FL | |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''III''' | 062S0012584551 | 7778491 | A1 | B1 | C3 | 06/12/2020 | 91311 | CHATSWORTH, CA | BOX F with Order Info |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''III''' | 062S0012584560 | 17663543 | A1 | B1 | C3 | 09/21/2022 | 27525 | FUQUAY VARINA, NC | Please Do Not Bend |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''III''' | 062S0012584561 | 8072505 | A1 | B1 | C3 | 06/28/2022 | 06475 | OLD SAYBROOK, CT | BOX F with Order Info |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''III''' | 062S0013352599 | 10538570 | A1 | B1 | C4 | 09/21/2022 | 45249 | CINCINNATI, OH | BOX F with Order Info |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''III''' | 062S0013352605 | 8072505 | A1 | B2 | C3 | 06/28/2022 | 06475 | OLD SAYBROOK, CT | BOX F with Order Info |- | FS5 | BLACK FILL | '''VIII''' | 062S0014949809 | 7542988 | A7 | B1 | | 03/25/2024 | 80116 | FRANKTOWN, CO | |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''III''' | 062S0014950040 | 10137355 | A1 | B1 | C3 | 11/16/2022 | 38474 | MOUNT PLEASANT, TN | BOX F with Order Info |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''III''' | 062S0014950074 | 8014787 | A1 | B1 | C3 | 12/15/2022 | 84032 | HEBER CITY, UT | Box F:Thank You For Your Order |- | FS5 | '''P''' | '''V''' | 062S0014950080 | 8014787 | A5 | B4 | C4 | 12/12/2022 | 84032 | HEBER CITY, UT | BOX F "Thank you for your order!" |- | FS5 | '''P''' | '''V''' | 062S0014950085 | 9765391 | A5 | B5 | C4 | 11/11/2022 | 84606 | SPRINGVILLE, UT | BOX F with order Info |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''III''' | 062S0014950089 | 9716903 | A1 | B1 | C3 | 11/02/2022 | 83442 | AMMON, ID | BOX F with Order Info |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''III''' | 062S0014950092 | 9728837 | A1 | B1 | C3 | 11/10/2022 | 84026 | FORT DUCHESNE, UT | BOX F with Order Info |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''III''' | 062S0014950241 | 8570771 | A1 | B1 | C3 | 11/19/2022 | 84062 | PLEASANT GROVE, UT | |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''III''' | 062S0014950278 | 17957223 | A1 | B1 | C3 | 01/03/2023 | 78245 | SAN ANTONIO, TX | |- | FS5? | '''G''' | '''VI''' | 062S0014950365 | 580628? | A6 | B2 | C3 | 09/13/2023 | 75041 | | |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''III''' | 062S0014950507 | 6080690 | A2 | B1 | C3 | 11/17/2022 | 32174 | ORMOND BEACH, FL | |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''III''' | 062S0014950544 | 10875452 | A2 | B1 | C3 | 03/14/2023 | 19317 | CHADDS FORD, PA | |} {{font/end}} {{font/top|size=2|color=black}} :: '''PC-I2.2'''. ''2023'' ::: {{space|10}} 3 lines at upper right, Meter number / customer ID number / zip code ('''Box B2'''). ::: {{space|10}} Stamp at top right of address label with large mail class indicator (of various sizes) or solid block to its left (Box B1) and the class of mail spelled out below (Box C). ::: {{space|10}} Large mail class indicator font is "'''Arial Nova Bold'''" ::: {{space|10}} PDF417(8) across bottom : <u>''' [[/Mail class and other descriptive types/|Click here for type description]]'''</u> [[File: PC-C2.4.2C.0 250331.png|right|450px]] {| class="wikitable" |- ! Form size ! Box B1 Type ! Box C Type ! <u>Meter no's</u> ! Customer ID ! Line A type ! Line B type ! Line C type ! Date ! Zip ! City ! Notes |- | FS5 | '''P''' | '''VI''' | 062S0001442545 | 7537397 | A3 | B1 | C7 | 01/22/2024 | 48212 | HAMTRAMCK, MI | Box F: Order info. |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''III''' | 062S0001443325 | 11683909 | A2 | B2 | C3 | 06/28/2023 | 46323 | HAMMOND, IN | |- | FS5 | '''G''' | '''VI''' | 062S0014950062 | 9717116 | A9 | B2 | C3 | 03/16/2024 | 98467 | UNIVERSITY PL, WA | Box F: Order Info |- | FS5 | '''G''' | '''VI''' | 062S0014950187 | 4998344 | A9 | B2 | C3 | 02/27/2024 | 91761 | ONTARIO, CA | Box F: Order Info |- | FS5 | '''G''' | '''VI''' | 062S0014950544 | 19750766 | A9 | B2 | C7 | 08/22/2024 | 93105 | SANTA BARBARA, CA | Green band at top and a portion of left |- | FS5? | '''G''' | '''VI''' | 062S0014950560 | 17195820 | A9 | B2 | C3 | 10/12/2023 | 85013 | PHOENIX, AZ | |- | FS5 | '''G''' | '''VI''' | ? | 6636835 | A14 | B6 | C7 | 05/01/2024 | 43228 | COLUMBUS, OH | Box F: Order Info |} {{font/end}} <br><br><br> {{font/top|size=2|color=black}} :: '''PC-I2.3'''. ''2024''[[File: PC-C2.4.2C.png|right|450px]] ::: {{space|10}} 3 lines at upper right, Meter number / customer ID number / zip code ('''Box B2'''). ::: {{space|10}} Stamp at top right of address label with large mail class indicator (of various sizes) or solid block to its left (Box B1) and the class of mail spelled out below (Box C). ::: {{space|10}} Large mail class indicator font is "'''New Helvetica Bold'''" ::: {{space|10}} PDF417(8) across bottom : <u>''' [[/Mail class and other descriptive types/|Click here for type description]]'''</u> {| class="wikitable" |- ! Form size ! Box B1 Type ! Box C Type ! <u>Meter no's</u> ! Customer ID ! Line A type ! Line B type ! Line C type ! Date ! Zip ! City ! Notes |- | FS5 | '''G''' | '''VI''' | 062S0001443239 | 6928035 | A9 | B2 | C3 | 01/22/2024 | 91733 | EL MONTE, CA | Box F: Order info. |} {{font/end}} <br><br><br> '''PC-I3''' : All group "'''PC-I'''" with "'''IBI-Lite'''" barcode [[File: USA meter stamp PC-C3.2C label.jpeg|right|380px]] '''PC-I3.1.'''. '''stamps_endicia''' logo, identification number with '''062S''' prefix. :: '''1'''. Identification number omitted (possible printer misalignment) :: '''2'''. Numeric month in date, as: {{space|4}} 00/00/2018 :: '''3'''. With "FIM" barcode to left <br><br><br> [[File:USA meter stamp PC-C3.4 actual.jpg|right|370px]] '''PC-I3.2.''' 2021. : As Type PC-C3.3 but with '''stamps_endicia''' logo at right. : Identification number with 062S prefix. : V/F: {{space|4}} $0'''.'''00<u>o</u> '''NOTE''': Seen on plain white self-adhesive labels with rounded corners. <br><br><br> '''PC-I4''' : All group "'''PC-I'''" with DataMatrix 2-D barcode '''PC-I4.1.''' 2020. [[File:USA meter stamp PC-C4.3.jpg|right|390px]] : '''stamps_endicia''' logo reads down at right of the 2D barcode, and the ID number is below the barcode. : Meter Identification number with 062S prefix. : Value figures and "US POSTAGE", mail class, date, "Mailed from ZIP" and code. V/F: {{space|4}} $0'''.'''00 : <u>''' [[/Mail class and other descriptive types/|Click here for type description]]'''</u> <br><br><br> [[File: USA meter stamp PC-C4.1E.jpg|right|800px]] '''PC-I4.2.'''. As '''PC-C4.1.1.''', with new company logo, '''stamps_endicia''' logo <br><br><br> [[File: PC-I4.3 260709.png|right|400px]] '''PC-I4.3 ''' 2023. : DataMatrix 2-D barcode at right : '''stamps_endicia''' logo is to the right of the "DataMatrix(4)" barcode. : "FIM" barcode at top left : Meter number with 062S prefix. <br><br><br><br> '''PC-I4.4.'''. As '''PC-C5.2.''', with '''stamps_endicia''' logo [[File: PC-C5.3.png|right|540px]] <br><br> <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> '''PC-I4.4.3.'''. As'''PC-I4.4.1.''', Without value figures. "US POSTAGE & FEES PAID" at top : '''stamps_endicia''' logo reads down at right of the 2D barcode, and the ID number is below the barcode. : Meter Identification number with 062S or 071S prefix. : Small Mail Class letter, shorter than the barcode.[[File:PC-C4.3B2.png|right|450px]] : Prefix "'''071'''" {| class="wikitable" |- ! Form size ! Box B1 Type ! Box C Type ! <u>Meter no's</u> ! Customer ID ! Line A type ! Line B type ! Line C type ! Date ! Zip ! City ! Notes |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''XI''' | 071S00894672 | | A10 | | C6 | Apr 15 2022 | 90021 | (RIALTO CA) | |- | FS5 | '''F''' | '''XI''' | 071S00894672 | | A10 | | C6 | Feb 09 2023 | 90021 | (NEWARK NJ) | |} {{font/end}} <br><br><br><br> '''PC-I4.4.4.'''. As'''PC-I4.4.3.''', Without value figures. "US POSTAGE & FEES PAID" at top : '''stamps_endicia''' logo reads down at right of the 2D barcode, and the ID number is below the barcode. : Meter Identification number with 062S or 071S prefix. : Large Mail Class letter, taller than the barcode.[[File:USA meter stamp PC-C4.3B.jpg|right|450px]] : Prefix "'''071S'''" <br><br><br><br> '''PC-I4.5.1.''' 2020. [[File:USA meter stamp PC-C4.3.jpg|right|390px]] : '''stamps_endicia''' logo reads down at right of the 2D barcode, and the ID number is below the barcode. : Meter Identification number with 062S prefix. : Value figures and "US POSTAGE", mail class, date, "Mailed from ZIP" and code. V/F: {{space|4}} $0'''.'''00 : <u>''' [[/Mail class and other descriptive types/|Click here for type description]]'''</u> <br><br><br> {{font/top|size=2|color=black}} '''PC-I4.5.2.'''. As'''PC-I4.4.1.''', Without value figures. "US POSTAGE & FEES PAID" at top : '''stamps_endicia''' logo reads down at right of the 2D barcode, and the ID number is below the barcode. : Meter Identification number with 062S or 071S prefix. : Small Mail Class letter, shorter than the barcode.[[File:PC-C4.3B2.png|right|450px]] : Prefix "'''062S'''" {| class="wikitable" |- ! Form size ! Box B1 Type ! Box C Type ! <u>Meter no's</u> ! Customer ID ! Line A type ! Line B type ! Line C type ! Date ! Zip ! City ! Notes |- | FS4 | '''G''' | '''XXIX''' | 062S0001442198 | 11613058 | A14 | B2 | C7 | Jul 05 2024 | 54914 | APPLETON, WI | |- | FS4 | '''G''' | '''XXIX''' | 062S0001442222 | 11613058 | A14 | B2 | C7 | Jun 07 2024 | 54914 | APPLETON, WI | |- | FS4 | BLACK | '''VIII''' | 062S0009761530 | 13928181 | A7 | B1 | | Feb 02 2023 | 48375 | NOVI, MI | |- | FS4 | '''F''' | '''X''' | 062S0010968105 | 12429570 | A10 | | C6 | Sep 20 2022 | 32207 | JACKSONVILLE, FL | |- | FS4 | '''F''' | '''XI''' | 062S0012584411 | 17222940 | A10 | | C6 | Aug 22 2022 | 33634 | TAMPA FL | |- | FS4 | '''F''' | '''XI''' | 062S0013352605 | 17222940 | A10 | | C6 | Aug 22 2022 | 33634 | TAMPA FL | |- | FS4 | '''F''' | '''XI''' | 062S0014950307 | 17222940 | A1 | B2 | C6 | Nov 10 2022 | 33634 | TAMPA FL | |- | FS4 | '''G''' | '''XXIX''' | 062S0014949919 | 11613058 | A14 | B2 | C7 | Sep 04 2024 | 54914 | APPLETON, WI | |- | FS4 | '''F''' | '''XI''' | 062S0014950343 | 11746372 | A1 | B2 | C6 | Mar 06 2023 | 11716 | BOHEMIA NY | |} <br><br><br><br> ===={{font|size=4|color=#2a3439|Franks with "E-postage" or variant in the frank}}==== ---- <br> {{font/top|size=3}} * Shipping labels with '''E-Postage''', '''ePostage''', '''ePOSTAGE''' and other variants in the frank were first reported in 2011. They are used by online commerce companies with business volumes large enough to justify special arrangements with shippers such as USPS, FedX, and UPS. * E-Postage is a program developed by USPS to accommodate the growth of ecommerce. Online merchants such as Amazon and Etsy use ePostage. In 2016 new company Shippo began operation as a shipping aggregator offering ePostage to any business. * The stamps appear to be more like "post paid" permit stamps rather than metered mail but are shown here until we determine their exact nature. [[File: USA stamp type PC-F2.jpg|right|500px]] [[File: USA stamp type PC-F14.jpg|right|500px]] [[File: USA stamp type PC-F1bb.jpeg|right|300px]] * The stamps are found only on address labels with the top section having an enclosed mail-service letter at left and a frank box at right above a panel containing the mail class. : The central section contains the return address, date, and addressee. : The stamps show no value figures or identification number. : The labels do include a tracking bar code and number. : So far they have been found in two general formats: :: '''-''' With single-line border surrounding the complete design, printed on label 135 mm tall :: '''-''' With no outer border, printed on smaller label, 115 mm tall * Known variations: :: '''-''' Mail class appears in the frank box :: '''-''' Incomplete box around mail-service letter at upper left :: '''-''' Mailer's name repeated at top outside the frank box :: '''-''' "ComBasPrice" appearing left of the frank box '''NOTES''': * Merchants have some control over the appearance of the stamp. The e-Postage designation is found in different fonts. The frank box is found in a variety of sizes with contents left justified or centered. * When inaugurated in September 2011 only certain mail services were available through e-Postage system: Express Mail, Priority Mail, First-Class Mail parcels, Package Services (except Library Mail), and Parcel Select bar-coded non-presort. * What is common to all e-Postage stamps is that the frank box contains e-Postage (or variant), U.S. POSTAGE PAID (or variant), and the mailer's identification. {{font/end}} ----{{BookCat}} 0p8zmxceb30uxgexkx2rr0m26b223dn 2 397633 4654260 4654005 2026-07-12T19:19:29Z Rcmcola 3394483 /* § 391, p. 149 */ 4654260 wikitext text/x-wiki This wikibook is an answer key to the revised 1918 edition of Collar's and Daniell's ''First Year Latin''. There are two copies of this edition in the Internet Archive: [https://archive.org/details/collaranddaniel00jenkgoog] and [https://archive.org/details/collardaniellsfi00collrich another copy]). === About References === The references are to the paragraph numbers (§ ''N'') and the original page numbers (p. ''N'') of ''First Year Latin''. === Abbreviations === {| |- | ''acc'' || accusative |- | ''act'' || active voice |- | ''abl'' || the ablative case |- | ''dat'' || the dative case |- | ''gen'' || the genitive case |- | ''imp'' || the imperative mood |- | ''imperf'' || the imperfect tense |- | ''ind'' || the indicative mood |- | ''inf'' || the infinitive mood |- | ''nom'' || the nominative case |- | ''pass'' || the passive voice |- | ''perf'' || the perfect tense |- | ''pl'' || the plural |- | ''pluperf'' || the pluperfect tense |- | ''sg'' || the singular |- | ''subj'' || the subjunctive mood |} === About Prose Translations === All prose translations have been kept as literal as possible. This should not be taken as a model to emulate. Quite contrary, one should hardly ever aim at a literal translation instead of a fluent one. Answers marked with a * may be written with a little more liberty by a different pupil, though are still more-or-less literal translations. == Exercises == === § 30, p. 25 === # A sailor is singing. # Sailors are singing. # A farmer is working. # Farmers are working. # A girl swims. # Girls swim. # Cornelia draws near. # Are the girls drawing near? (In a boys-only school this might have stirred the pupils somewhat.) # Cornelia and the girls are singing. # Julia works and sings. # What is approaching? # Are the sailors swimming? # Who is walking? === § 31, p. 25 === # Nauta natat. # Puellae cantant. # Quis appropinquat? # Appropinguantne nautae? # Cantatne Cornēlia? # Cornēlia et Iūlia ambulant et cantant. # Puella cantat, et agricola labōrat. # Nautae et agricolae labōrant. === § 36, p. 27 === # Galba has a trumpet. # Does Galba have trumpets? # Girls praise Cornelia and Julia. # A sailor sees a letter. # Galba calls together the sailors. # Who sees Galba? # Whom Galba is seeing? # The farmer now calls the girls together. # Do the sailors see land? # Girls like Cornelia. === § 37, p. 27 === # Quis appropinquat? # Nauta et Galba appropinquant. # Quid agricola habet? # Agricola terram habet. # Laudatne Galba agricolae? # Puella aquam et terram videt. # Nautae agricolās convocant. # Iūlia litterās nunc habet. === § 41, p. 29 === # She walks, calls together, sings. # Are they calling together? Singing? Praising? # You (sg.) swim, work, walk. # We like, draw near, walk. # You (pl.) are calling together, are singing, are liking. # They like, she is giving, we are praising. # Whom are you looking at? # I praise the inhabitants. # You (pl.) often praise Julia. # But we are praising the letter. # What are you (pl.) giving now? === § 42, p. 29 === # Natō, natat, natō. # Labōrāsne/labōrātisne? cantāmus, laudatne? # Appropinquant, dant, ambulās/ambulātis. # Laudās/laudātis, natant, labōrat. # Incolās convocāmus, sed nautās convocātis. # Puellae aquam nunc spectant. === § 46, p. 31 === # She delights, we are routing, you set free. # We are waiting, they carry, you delight. # We delight, you (pl.) rout, they are setting free. # Is she freeing? I am freeing, we are carrying. # They are setting free the farmers' daughters. # The poet's fortune pleases the queen. # We are looking at the woman's daughters. (Quite possibly a true story from a boy school.) # Does Galba's ''daughter'' expect a letter? # Even the trumpets of the sailors put the inhabitants to flight. # Whose letter are you carrying? === § 47, p. 31 === # Nautās rēgīnae convocō. # Fīliae poetārum terram amant. # Cuius fīliam liberās/liberātis? # Laudantne fīliās Galbae? # Agricolās nunc expectāmus. # Quem fortūna agricolārum dēlectat? === § 52, p. 33 === # You have money. # I teach Julia. # You often advice the inhabitants. # Do they frighten the girls? # Whom are they seeing? # We advice and we teach. # What do we have? # I now see a booty. # You (pl.) see a trumpet. # Are you (pl.) warning ''the farmers''? # They have a letter. # Julia teaches the poet's daughters. # The pirates have even the farmers' money. # The daughters' fate pleases the woman. (Obviously they got married off to better men than the boys of this school became.) # Why do you warn Julia and Cornelia? # Whom do you teach and advice? # The women praise the girls because they work. (Hopefully nothing beyond the chaste exercise of weaving, though.) === § 53, p. 33 === # Monent. # Habent. # Moneō. # Terrēs/terrētis. # Vidēmus. # Puellāsne docet? # Pīrātamne Iūlia et Cornēlia spectant? # Cūr pīrātae incolās terrent? # Pecūniam et praedam habent. # Fēminam laudāmus quod puellās docet. # Quis vidēs/vidētis? Quid spectās/spectātis? === § 61, p. 35 === # A farmer shows the road to a woman. # Cornelia tells the story even to the girls. # We dwell on an island. # Who shows the island to the poets? # Why are the pirates remaining in the water? # To whom are you giving the money? # The sailors show the booty to the farmers. # The inhabitants are approaching on the road and they are looking at the queen. # They like the mistress because she tells stories. === § 62, p. 35 === # Cuī fēminam dēmonstrās/dēmonstrātis? # Iūliae letterās dēmonstrō. # Rēgīnae fābulās narrant. # Fīlia Galbae nautīs pecūniam dat. # Habitantne pīrātae in īnsulā? # Cuius fīliae in viam appropinquant? === § 66, p. 37 === # Why are the poets remaining in the woods? # To whom are you telling about the queen's victory? # I see Julia and Cornelia in the portal. # In Germany and Greece they often assemble the farmers. # Do they live in the province? # The sailors' victory frightens the farmers. # The girls' diligence pleases the woman. # In the fight we put to flight the pirates of Italy. # Galba tells about the flight of the pirates. === § 67, p. 37 === # In prōvinciā Graeciae incolō. # Silvae prōvinciārum poetīs dēlectant. # Fīliae Iūliae pecūniam dat. # Cuī aquam dās/dātis? # Cuius dīligentiam laudās/laudātis? # In viā exspectant et silvās spectant. === § 75, p. 41 === # I see a town. # We are seeing towns. # Is the master warning a slave? # The tribune is looking at a horse. # The masters' horses delight the slaves. # Marcus is narrating a story to a friend. # The masters give the spoils friends. # We often call together the friends in the town. # Slaves are approaching, and they are carrying grain and water. === § 76, p. 41 === # Quis equum tribūnī habet? # Servī dōna dominōrum nunc habent. # Amicōsne in hortō habēs/habētis? # Servus frūmentum tribūnī portat. # Cuius dōnum Marcō dēmonstrant? # Oppidum et hortōs oppidī vidēmus. === § 83, p. 43 === # We are looking at and also approving of the large horses. # The tribune gives a javelin to a good friend. # The sailor's welcome gift delights Julia. # A strong sailor has strong oars. # A girl sees good slaves. # Great winds do not frighten sailors. # Where do you see the strong farmers' grain? # They are carrying the grain in a large cart. # The pirates are frightening the farmers because they have javelins. === § 84, p. 43 === # Carrum magnum habeō. # Dominus bonus servum bonum habet. # Atque servō bonō dōnum grātum dat. # Probatne servus dōnum? # Magnō in oppidō Graeciae nōn habitant. # Nautās bonōs nōn convocat. # Ubi silvam magnam vidēs/vidētis? === § 91, p. 45 === # Galba is a farmer. # Galba is strong. # Julia and Cornelia are my daughters. # My daughter is small. # Is your town large? # Britain is an island of Europe. # Vesta was a Roman goddess. # The carts of the Romans were good and strong. # War is not welcome. # Wars aren't welcome. # Greece is a small country of Europe. # We are friends of the tribune. # In the large town we see wide roads. === § 92, p. 45 === # Viae oppidī sunt longae. # Viae Rōmae nōn erant lātae. # Viae Britanniae sunt lātae et longae. # Ubi es/estis? # Dōna nova tribūnī sunt grāta. # Deōs laudāmus quod dōna dant. # Rōmānī sumus sed in Britanniā habitāmus. === § 101, p. 49 === # The sons of the men are in Britain. # The men are allies. # I am a messenger of the allies. # We are waiting for the small boys, sons of the tribune. # The boys have Marcus' sword and javelin. # Who shows the way to the man? # The battle is long, and the allies are waiting for help. # A man and sons of the messenger are toiling in the field. # Why are you giving rewards to the men? === § 102, p. 49 === # Fīlius nūntī est puer parvus. # Gladium tuum vidēmus sed pilum tuum nōn habēmus. # Puerōs parvōs et fēminam terrent. # Virī sociōs fugant. # Ubi nūntiī habitant? # Gladium fīlī meī habeō. # Bella et proelia Rōmānōs dēlectant. === § 105, p. 50 === # I see horses in Marcus', friend's, field. # A wretched messenger is telling a miserable story of the allies' flight. # They are giving rewards to your friends. # Money, Cornelia's gift, is pleasing to our son. # We are free men in a free town. # The Greek goddesses were many. # Our associate is miserable because he has no sword. # They are subduing the Romans in a battle. # Are you calling your son? # A miserable slave prepares food for a master. A bonus question about the translation of 10. for the boys in the back row: Are all slaves miserable because they prepare food for their masters or is this particular slave miserable because he's preparing food for his master or is this particular slave miserable because he's preparing food for a master not his own? === § 106, p. 51 === # Amīcī nostrī, Mārcus et Galba, sunt miserī. # Multī carrī in viīs oppidī nostrī sunt. # Fīliōs miserōs nūntiōrum convocat. # Ubi equum tuum vides? # Ventī nautās nōn terrent. # Fīliī virōrum līberōrum sumus. # Pīlum dōnum āmicī habeō. === § 113, p. 53 === # She is, she was, she will be. # They are, they were, they will be. # We are, we were, we will be. # I am, I was, I will be. # You (sg.) are, you (sg.) were, you (sg.) will be. # You (pl.) are, you (pl.) were, you (pl.) will be. # Certainly we were hostile towards Marcus, your son. # Next to the town were many fields. # Injuries of the allies were many. # I see an island near to the (main)land. # The winds will not be pleasing to the sailors. # Farmers were not fit for a long war. # Meanwhile, we will be favourable to your sons. # Swords and javelins are suitable for a battle. === § 114, p. 53 === # Sum, sumus. # Ubi eramus? In oppidō eram. # Erō, erimus. # Estne tribūnus? Sociī sunt. # Interim vir līber eris. # Oppida nostra Graeciae propinqua sunt. # Virī in oppidīs nostrīs Rōmae inimīcī sunt. # Erit magnum proelium in Britanniā. # Librī Mārcō amicō meō grātī certē erunt. === § 124, p. 57 === # They were showing, she was preparing, you (pl.) were filling. # I was telling, you (sg.) were seeing, we were dwelling. # You (sg.) were overcoming, you (pl.) were having, she was approving. # You (sg.) were singing, I was freeing, you (pl.) were staying. # I was frightening, she was calling, you (pl). were delighting. # I was calling together the lieutenants. # Farmers were bringing grain and food in small carts. # Meanwhile they were fighting with swords in forests. # We were equipping our allies with shields. # I was calling the lieutenant, my friend. # They were subduing the tribune and the lieutenant in the fight with javelins. # Your gifts were pleasing to the gods. # The village was next to the sea. === § 125, p. 57 === # Ambulābam sed in agrō exspectābās. # Armābāmus, manēbant. # Appropinquābātis et pugnābant. # In vicō labōrābant. # Fābulīs et librīs docēbāmus. # Amicōs vestrōs gladiīs vestriīs liberābātis. # Cibus Helvetiīs dēfessīs grātus erat. # Virī pīlīs longīs pugnābant. # Lēgātus vīcum cibō et frūmentō complēbat. === § 130, p. 59 === # They will call, they will fill, they will hasten. # Is she arming? She will overcome, we will keep. # Will they stay? We will show, I will frighten. # You (sg.) will work, you (pl.) will teach, I will dwell. # Where to is the strong farmer hurrying? # A farmer and boys will hurry to the fields. # They toil in the fields with great zeal. # They will carry the grain into the village with care. # You (pl.) will build boats with great diligence. === § 131, p. 59 === # Aedificābis. # Properābit. # Quis nōn manēbit? # Tenēbitis. # Virōs aegrōs magnō cum cūrā portābimus. # Quō lēgātus properābit? # In Graeciam properābit atque incolās armābit. # Ubi amīcī nostrī cum studiō pugnābunt? # Virī nāvigia cum dīligentiā complēbant. === § 135, p. 61 === # Has she called? She has called together, she has subdued. # They have fought, they have expected, they have worked. # We have hastened, we have built, we have equipped. # Did I praise? You (sg.) have called, you (pl.) have hastened. # She has brought, she has delighted, she has given. === § 136, p. 61 === # Laudāvistī/-istis, dēmonstrāvistī/-istis, narrāvistī/-istis. # Dedī, portāvī, liberāvī. # Probāvērunt, cantāvērunt, natāvērunt. # Dedimus, habitāvimus, dēmonstrāvimus. === § 140, p. 62 === # She has warned, they have warned, she has taught. # They have taught, she has had, they have had. # You (sg.) have frightened, you (pl.) have frightened, have you (sg.) kept? # I have seen, have they seen? We have stayed. # She has kept, they have kept, they have frightened. === § 141, p. 62 === # Complēvī, vīdistī, tenuimus. # Terruit, habuit, complēvērunt. # Mānsit, docuī, monuistis. === § 145, p. 63 === # The boys have filled our cart with grain. # They have carried a sick girl with care. # I have seen the shields and swords of the captives in front of the gates. # The place was not suitable for a battle. # The lieutenant has hurried to Germany with many men. # He will show the cause of the war. # I have spent the winter in Greece with your friends. # With great risk they have stayed. === § 146, p. 63 === # Gladiī et pīla captivōs terruērunt. # Longō in bellō cum tribūnō pugnāvērunt. # Fēminae in Italiā hiemābant. # Quis causam bellī lēgātō narrābit? # Locum armīs complēvērunt. # Rōmānī cum sociīs prō Rōmā pugnāvērunt. === § 148/b, p. 64 === {| class="wikitable" |- | id dōnum || is nūntius || ea patria |- | eius dōnī || eius nūntiī || eius patriae |- | eī dōnō || eī nūntiō || eī patriae |- | id dōnum || eum nūntium || eam patriam |- | eō dōnō || eō nūntiō || eā patriā |- | ea dōna || iī nūntiī || eae patriae |- | eōrum dōnōrum || eōrum nūntiōrum || eārum patriārum |- | iīs dōnīs || iīs nūntiīs || iīs patriīs |- | ea dōna || eōs nūntiōs || eās patriās |- | iīs dōnīs || iīs nūntiīs || iīs patriīs |} === § 150, p. 65 === # I have seen that shield. # That sword is mine. # That battle was long. # I will fight with this sword. # She has given food for that prisoner. # That was yours. # He was showing the danger of those lieutenants. # We have been in Germany and in the land of the Helvetii. # Has your daughter been sick? # That slave's master was tired. # That victory has delighted the Romans. # I was hurrying to Britain with that friend. # Where were you (pl.)? === § 151, p. 65 === # Iīs armīs pīrātās in ōceanō superābimus. # Id auxilium Rōmānōs dēlectat. # In iīs silvīs saepe fuī. # Fīliōs eōrum agricolārum docuī. # Eōs sociōs vīdistī et laudāvistī quod cum studiō pugnāvērunt. # Quō properābatis cum eō puerō? # Causae eius bellī fuērunt multae. === § 155, p. 67 === # Who have built that temple? # Which lieutenants have armed those men? # What is in that field? # To whom does Marcus give that reward? # To which countries is Britain near? # Whom are you praising? # Which book Cornelia has praised? # With which sword have they injured the prisoner? # What risk are you reporting? === § 156, p. 67 === # Quis nūntius deōrum erat? # Quod dōnum eī puerō dedit? # Cuius scūtum is servus habuit? # Cui causās eius bellī dēmonstrāvērunt? # Quem superāvistī? # Quibus armīs Helvetiōs superāvērunt? # Quō in vicō habitāvērunt? === § 161, p. 68 === # She rules, she was ruling, she will rule. # I am buying, I was buying, I will buy. # They are leading, they will lead, she was leading. # She has ruled, they have ruled, she has led. # They have led, you (sg.) have bought, you (pl.) have bought. # I have sent, we have sent, she has sent. # We are sending, they are sending, they will send. # This farmer has many fields. # He will send grain into a big town with boats. # He will send grain into a village with strong horses. # Who will lead the horses on the way? # Sons of the farmer, Marcus and Galba, have led the horses, and they will lead (them) today. # Then they will buy new arms. # Formerly the Romans have ruled Italy well. === § 162, p. 69 === # Regunt, rēxērunt, regent. # Dūcit, dūcēbat, dūcet. # Ēmī, ēmimus, ēmērunt. # Mittō, mittam, mīsī. # Mittis, mittes, mīsistī. # Ōlim Rōmānī multās terrās habuērunt. # Eās terrās saepe nōn bene rēxērunt. # Tum sociī auxilium mīsērunt. # Quae puellae in Italiā hiemāvērunt? # Lēgātum cum iīs captīvīs in Italiam mittam. === § 171/d, p. 75 === === § 173, p. 75 === # Today I have seen the king and the general. # We have seen the heads of many foot soldiers. # Both kings and generals have led our soldiers. # Besides, the horsemen were fighting bravely for the king and the general. # They have overcome the allies with courage and zeal. # They have injured many farmers with stones and javelins. # Certainly the bravery of the horsemen and also the zeal of the foot soldiers will delight the legate. # Who will procure shields for these horsemen? # We have sent our soldiers in the forest too. === § 174, p. 75 === # Imperia rēgis fuerunt multa. # Imperia rēgum probābimus. # Helvetiōs virtūte eōrum mīlitum superābimus. # Cum duce hiemābō. # In oppidō rēgem vīdī. # Is rēx erat dux bonus et benē rēxit. # Cibum peditibus miserīs ēmit. # Et arma et frūmenta in id oppidum mīsit. === § 181, p. 77 === # She will take, she takes, they take. # I am hurling, I will hurl, I was hurling. # They have taken, she has thrown, we have thrown. # We have fled, we are fleeing, we have sent away. # They running out from the conference. # They will flee from (the vicinity of) the village into fields. # She has fled (down) from the town to the ocean. # Who have sent letters to the king? # They have hurled javelins down from the walls of this town. # He has sent the tired soldiers away from the battle. # Why are you fleeing from that place? # They will take our wagons. === § 182, p. 77 === # Iaciet, iacient, iaciunt. # Iacis, iaciēs, iēcistī. # Pedēs equitim vulnerāvērunt. # Ex Ītaliā in prōvinciam properābō. # Et fēminae et puellae ex agrīs fugiēbant. # Ā Germāniā in Ītaliam properāvērunt. # Lēgātum ad conloquium dūxit. === § 187, p. 79 === # For many reasons the Romans did not send help. # They have injured these men with stones and javelins. # They have many wounds in (their) heads and bodies. # Today the fathers of the sons will grieve because of the wounds. # Our general will praise the centurions because of the great victory. # The peril of the scouts has frightened the soldiers. # At that time you were not fleeing onto the walls of the town on the account of injuries. # For the lack of food we were in great danger. # The legate has led the horsemen and the foot soldiers to a conference. === § 188, p. 79 === # Vulneribus saepe dēfessī fuimus. # Mīlitēs nostrōs virtūte studiōque eōrum laudābo. # Patrēs nostrī diū pugnābunt et multam praedam capient. # Quis centuriō pīla dē mūrō iaciēbat? # Ob inopiam cibī aquaeque Marcus et Galba, centuriōnēs, nōn cum virtūte pugnāvērunt. # Soror mea dolet quod fēminae Britanniae miserae sunt. # Interim explōrātōrēs imperia ducis narrābant. === § 191, p. 81 === # The victory of enemies has frightened the citizens of the city of Rome. # I have not seen the hills and the mountains of Italy. # The scouts and centurions have fled out from the Sabines' territory. # The Romans have had many boats and ships on the sea. # Because of a great danger the citizens carry food and grain into the city. # We too will send cohorts, and we will overcome the enemies. # The town was near a mountain. # The citizens' bravery was pleasing to the general. === § 192, p. 81 === # Habēmusne multās navīs hodiē? # Ōlim in collīs montibusque incolēbant. # Fīnēs Rōmānōrum erant lātī. # Iī cīvēs nōn idōneī bellō sunt. # Quī pīla dē mūrīs urbium iaciunt? # Puerī ignīs magnōs in urbe vident. === § 197, p. 83 === # Our men have seen a centurion among the prisoners. # Neighbour(ing tribe)s lament account of that victory of the Romans. # Why the cohorts were fleeing through the woods to the town? # With care you (pl.) have taught your daughters with books. # The horsemen and the foot soldiers are in front of the gate. # We will stay in the city without danger. # And they even have carried out from that city many things. # She has led the scouts across a wide field. # He was in the province with many soldiers. === § 198, p. 83 === # Post id proelium nostrōs in Germāniam mittet. # Oppidum sine auxiliō cēpērunt. # Fīnitimī contrā hostīs fortiter pugnābant. # Ante oppidum erat collis. # Apud lēgātum nūntius exspectābat. # Per Ītaliam properābimus et apud eōs montīs hiemābimus. === § 210, p. 89 === # Caesar was a daring leader of the Romans. # The authority of this leader has been great. # All soldiers greatly liked Caesar because he has often overcome the enemy. # In a war the hardships of soldiers were often severe. # Enemies were many and brave, and they were throwing many javelins at the Romans. # But our cohorts did not flee from the public danger. # They have fought bravely for Rome. # That war was short. === § 211, p. 89 === # Gladius Rōmānōrum et brevis et gravis erat. # Pedes socium audācem habuit. # Nostrī multās gravīs portābant. # Dōna omnibus amīcīs meīs dabō. # Dux equitum ācrium propter multōs labōrēs dolēbat. # Omnīs trībūnōs ā colloquiō dīmīsit. === § 214, p. 90 === # I am hearing, I was hearing, I shall hear. # Does she hear? She was hearing, she will hear. # They are hearing, they were hearing, they will hear. # We are hearing, we have heard, you (pl.) will hear. # I have heard, you are hearing, they have heard. # You are coming, she is coming, you (sg.) did come. # She has come, we are coming, we have come. # Do you (sg.) find? You (pl.) have found, you (pl.) are finding. # I have found, she is finding, she has found. === § 215, p. 90 === # Repperit, repperērunt, vēnērunt. # Audīs/audītis, vēnistī/vēnistis, audīvit. # Audīvimus, reperiēbāmus, vēnimus. # Venis/venitis, reperiēbant, veniemus. # Audiam, audimus, audivērunt. # Vēnit, vēnit, audiunt. # Dēfendent, oppugnāvērunt, dēfendit. === § 220, p. 92 === # During the winter winds on the sea are violent. # In summer the farmers were toiling on the fields. # At daybreak they came to Caesar. # Caesar has waged war with strong enemies. # In a few years he has conquered all provinces. # At what time in the night did you (pl.) come into the city? # They capture ten scouts during the second hour of the battle. # At that time a messenger showed the document to a legate. === § 221, p. 92 === # Brevī tempore aestās grāta veniet. # Secundā hōrā noctis ea imperia audīvimus. # Decem vulnera in corpore peditis repperit. # Prīmā lūce Caesar eam cohortem inter collem montemque mīsit. # Prīmō annō bellī ā prōvinciā fūgērunt. # Cūr hieme bellum cum Rōmānōs nōn gessērunt? === § 225, p. 95 === # They will have bought, I had waged, you (pl.) had spent the winter. # They had shown, you (pl.) will have heard, we had subdued. # I shallhave kept, I had filled, you (sg.) had armed. # You (sg.) will have dwelt, she had called, I shall have stayed. # You (pl.) will have told, you (sg.) had sent, we shall have fled. # I had expected, I shall have suffered, she will have strenghthened. # She had kept in check, I had ruled, you (sg.) will have hastened. # Labienus had praised the chief for courage. # A strong man will have had friends many and brave. # Caesar had waged war not only in Gaul but also in Britain. # At what time of the night you (sg.) will have taken the arms? # The Gauls had defended the town with great bravery. # The Roman People had liberated the citizens of that state. === § 226, p. 95 === # Terruerimus, vēnerās, dīmīseritis. # Pugnāverit, cēperat, dēfenderant. # Dūxerāmus, vulnerāverint, iēcerit. # Aedificāveris, reppererāmus, portāverint. # Pōpulus Rōmānus longō temporē Gallōs sustinuerat. # Prīncipēs omnīs cīvitātēs convocāverant. # In eō locō Labiēnus multa tēpa reppererit. # Gallī auxilium exspectāverant. # Tandem eum collem oppugnāverāmus. === § 232, p. 97 === # The general has sent those horsemen and foot soldiers to Capua. # Finally, because of public danger, he has hurried out of Italy to Carthago. # These soldiers had come from Athens, and they were fighting in Gaul. # He sent a messenger to Corinth at the second hour of that night. # Those legates had carried the plunder to Rome. # In that island a bold people had dwelt. # I had been a friend of this centurio. # From this territory all chiefs had fled to Delphi, because at that time enemies were preparing for a war. === § 233, p. 97 === # Delphīs Athēnās vēnerant. # Domō frāter meus Corinthum properāvit. # Caesar nūntiōs per illās cīvitātēs mīserat. # Hīs annīs Gallī amīcī fuerant populī Rōmānī. # Hī hostēs magnā virtūte cum Caesar pugnāverint. # Hoc pīlum, ille gladius est. === § 240, p. 100 === # She loves, he is loved. # He was loving, she was loved. # She will love, he will be loved. # They love, they are loved. # They were loving, they were loved. # Will they love? Will they be loved? # We are loving, we are loved. # I advice, I am adviced. # I was advicing, I was being adviced. # I will warn, I will be warned. # You (pl.) will warn, you (pl.) will be warned. # You (sg.) warn, you (sg.) are warned. === § 241, p. 101 === # Laudās/laudātis, laudāris/laudāminī. # Laudābant, laudābantur. # Laudābis/laudābitis, laudāberis/laudābiminī. # Doceō, doceor. # Docēmus, docēmur. # Docēbimus, docēbimur. # Docent, docentur. === § 244, p. 101 === # This boy was praised by my brother. # This booty will be brought to Rome by Caesar. # By whom is power not loved? # Many stories about Britain will be told by these messengers. # The town is stormed by the soldiers. # In this fight ten men are wounded by the Gauls. # The grain will be brought with ships. === § 245, p. 101 === # Omnēs hī Gallī āb illīs equitibus sustinebuntur. # Frātrēs meī ab illō puerō laudābantur. # Auxilium ā hostibus expectātur. # Paucae cohortēs ā prīncipe vidēbantur. # Rōma āb omnīs Rōmānīs amābātur. === § 250, p. 103 === # That woman you see is Cornelia's mother. # The merchants are bringing many (things) into Germany. # The brave enemies by whom our native land is laid waste are Romans. # These men with whose bravery and determination the city was guarded will come home from war. # The towers which were built with care will be destroyed by the enemy. # The hostages, who are liberated by the Romans, will hurry to Athens. # The commander of legions whom Caesar sent across the river was Labienus. === § 251, p. 103 === # Arma, quae portāvimus, nōn bona sunt. # Eā aestāte cum Caesare, quī prōvinciam dēfendit, pugnābi(ti)s. # Cōnsilium, quō illud oppidum vastātur, laudābō. # Caesar decem legiōnēs in bellīs, quae cum Gallīs gessit, habuit. # Fēmina, cui viam dēmonstrāvī, māter huius obsidis miserī est. === § 258, p. 106 === # She rules, he's ruled. # She was ruling, he was ruled. # She will rule, he will be ruled. # They rule, they are ruled. # They will rule, they will be ruled. # You (sg.) rule, you (sg.) are ruled. # You (sg.) were ruling, you (sg.) were ruled. # You (sg.) will rule, you (sg.) will be ruled. # We are ruling, we are ruled. # You (pl.) rule, you (pl.) are ruled. # I shall rule, I shall be ruled. # They are seizing, they are captured. # She was seizing, he was being captured. # She will seize, he will be captured. # They will seize, they will be captured. # You (sg.) will seize, you (sg.) will be captured. # You (sg.) seize, you (sg.) are captured. # You (sg.) were seizing, you (sg.) were being captured. === § 259, p. 106 === # Dūcit, dūcitur. # Dūcent, dūcentur. # Dūcunt, dūcuntur. # Dūcis/dūcitis, dūceris/dūciminī. # Dūcēmus, dūcēmur. # Mittimus, mittimur. # Mittiturne? Mittunturne? # Mittet, mittētur. # Mitteris/mittiminī, mittēris/mittēminī. # Gerēbant, gerēbam. # Gerimus, gerēmus. # Iacimus, iacimur. # Iaciēbāmus, iaciēbāmur. # Quis recipit? Quis recipiēbatur? === § 261, p. 107 === # Ambassadors have come into consul's camp for peace. # At last these legates are led to the consul. # They will be received well by the consul. # No longer is the enemy's city defended. # The weapons which were thrown down from the walls wounded many. # The soldiers of the consul are not defeated often by the Gauls. # The peace will be welcome to the Roman people. === § 262, p. 107 === # Labiēnus paucīs cum cohortibus Rōmā in Galliam mittētur. # Illa oppida Galliae fortiter dēfendentur. # Legiō ex castrīs dūcuntur. # Hodiē multae cīvitātēs Galliae vincuntur. # Nova cōnsilia sociōrum nostrōrum fīnitimīs nūntiābantur. # Illī recipientur ā Caesare, quī Helvetiōs vīcit. === § 269, p. 109 === # His shield was heavy. # Their friends have been soldiers. # Their zeal is praised. # I will stay with you (pl.) because of the storm. # The war is waged against them. # Is Marcus with you (sg.)? # He was walking with her. # They will hurry to Athens without you (pl.). # We are miserable, you (pl.) are sick and exhausted. # All your (pl.) plans are acceptable to us. # His father and mother were received well by you (pl.) # The remaining chiefs, who were arming themselves, did not come to the meeting. # And thus he calls a centurion to himself and explains the plan to him. # Caesar led the foot soldiers out the camp daily. === § 270, p. 109 === # Māter eius et pater meus tē vīdērunt. # Nunc sunt cum mē. # Eī, eī, eīs praemia dabō. # Castra eōrum oppugnātur. # Egō in oppidum tēcum properābō. # Magnō cum labōre nōs līberāmus. # Ea sē gladiō eius patris vulnerāvit. # Reliquī sē interficient. # Ea aestāte oppida eōrum ā Gallīs vāstābuntur. === § 272, p. 110 === # She hears, she's being heard. # She was hearing, she was being heard. # She will hear, she will be heard. # We hear, we are being heard. # We will hear, we will be heard. # I shall hear, I shall be heard. # You (pl.) hear, you (pl.) are being heard. # You (pl.) will hear, you (pl.) will be heard. # You (sg.) hear, you (sg.) are being heard. # I was hearing, I was being heard. # They hear, they are being heard. # They were hearing, they were being heard. === § 273, p. 110 === # Impediō, impedior. # Impediēbam, impediēbar. # Impediam, impediar. # Impediunt, impediuntur. # Impedient, impedientur. # Reperit, reperītur. # Reperiēbat, reperiēbatur. # Reperiet, reperiētur. === § 284, p. 113 === # Caesar, however, sent his own soldiers across the river. # Caesar will find his (not his own) brother in the camp. # That sick man was deprived of water. # Afterwards that state was lacking food and grain. # He kept soldiers away from this people by buildings and money for a long time. # Because of want of arms the Germans left off from the battle. # Our (troops), who had hurried to the camp of the Germans, kept them away from weapons. # A river was cutting off our troops from the road. # At that time boats were being built near the river by the enemy. === § 285, p. 113 === # Amīcī nostrī pecūniam carēbat. # Hostēs sua aedificia dēfendent. # Nōs ā cūrā līberābis/līberābitis. # Caesar sua cōnsilia dē pāce suīs nūntiāvit. # Posteā ex omniā potestāte Germānōs prīvābunt. # Reliquī prīncipum ab suīs oppidīs interclūdēbantur. === § 287, p. 114 === # A man has been loved, a woman has been loved, a war has been loved. # The men have been loved, the women have been loved, the wars have been loved. # The soldiers had been warned, the boy will have been warned, the town had been warned. # A farmer has been captured, a city has been ruled, a province had been ruled. # I have been captured, I had been captured, I shall have been captured. # You (sg.) have been heard, you (sg.) had been heard, you (sg.) will have been heard. # We have been heard, we had been heard, we shall have been heard. === § 288, p. 115 === # Gallia monita est, Gallia monita erat, Gallia monita erit. # Aedificia capita sunt, aedificia capita erant, aedificia capita erunt. # Fīnēs ā Germānīs rectī erant. # Urbēs dēfensae erunt. # Itaque audītae erimus. === § 290, p. 115 === # Many towns in Italy have been built by the Romans. # Few Germans there have been killed with our javelins. # Your words will have been heard by me. # At that time the commander was cut off from the baggage and carts. # The war, which has been waged by Caesar, was long. # The soldiers, who were sent to Gaul by him, lacked grain. # The booty that had been captured by our commander has been carried to Rome without delay. # In a meeting Caesar said to his own (troops): "My plans have not been hampered by the enemy." === § 294, p. 117 === # The arrival of the legions delights us. # Our army, however, has cut off the Germans from supplies. # Between our (troops) and the enemy was a lake. # Consuls were commanders of Roman armies. # They had fought violently for a long time on the flanks. # Labienus' camp was protected with a swamp and a lake. # In the ports of Greece we have seen many ships during the winter. # We observed the armed force of the enemy. === § 295, p. 117 === # Et pedibus et cornibus pugnant. # Inter montīs multī lacūs āb eīs videntur. # Ab adventū mercātōrum dēlectātī erāmus. # Haec domus est mea, illa est tua. # Prīmā luce autem commeātūs ē castrīs ad portūs portāvērunt. # Statim Rōma ā manibus cīvium mūnita est. # Cūr domū properās/properātis? === § 299, p. 119 === # Which way is shorter? # Which way is the shortest? # Nevertheless, the cavalry had travelled through the neighbouring villages. # The Germans asked for peace from the Roman senate. # The friendship of the allies will be very pleasing to the Roman people. # Our army will make an attack upon the enemy. # This river is wide, but the sea is wider. # The Gauls certainly were very brave in the war. # Where have you seen more brave citizens? === § 300, p. 119 === # Domus tua novissima est. # Imperātōr equitātūs per iter longius mīsit. # Aestās in Brītanniā nōn brevissima est. # Hōc pīlum gravius est. # Pāx autem ab omnibus cīvitātibus Galliae petetur. # Impetum in turrem parvō cum studiō faciunt. # Excercitus per silvās palūdēsque iter faciēbat. === § 311, p. 123 === # A large part of the route is narrow but very easy. # At daybreak we saw a part of the enemy on the mountain. # That of all the roads of the city was shortest. # The men of Britain are different from the men of Italy. # Straightaway ten of the soldiers leave off from the battle. # On a beach the women were grieving because the road was difficult. # The enemy was fiercest and swiftest ff all the Gauls. # The most difficult is often very easy. # They will strengthen (their) friendship with the nearest tribes. === § 312, p. 123 === # Habemusne cōpiam armōrum? # Iter per montīs facile nōn erit. # Quinque ex amīcīs meīs in lītore mittentur ā mē per iter facilius. # Pars mīlitum ā reliquō excercitū interclūdēbātur. # Manus tua similis est meae (manuī). # Hōc est facillimum omnium itinerum per fīnīs Gallōrum. === § 323, p. 127 === # Six legions are led into the lower part of the province by Caesar. # The roads of ''our'' city are narrower by many feet. # A very large armed force of the enemy had been assembled, and they were preventing the Romans from march(ing). # They have thrown very many javelins down from the higher ground. # That tower is ten feet taller than the wall. # A smaller fort was defended by a hundred soldiers. # Your part of the work is larger than mine. # Occasionally our friends give us bad advice. # I see the top of the mountain. # The lower (southern) part of Italy was called "Great Greece" on account of many Greek cities (there); the upper (northern) part of Italy, because the Gauls dwelt there, was called "Cisalpine Gaul" or "the Nearer Gaul". === § 324, p. 127 === # Virī optimī interdum plūrimōs amīcōs nōn habent. # In itinere plūrimī (virī) interficiēbantur; reliquī in silvām magnam fūgērunt. # Cornēlia pede altior quam Iūlia erat. # Gallī plūrēs equitēs quam Rōmānī habēbant.* # Pars hostium in locīs superiōribus exspectābat. # Cōnsilium melius senātuī praebitum est.* # Urbēs maximae centum obsidēs Caesarī mīsērunt. * While the imperfect tense describes, the perfect tense advances a narrative. === § 329, p. 129 === # Fathers and mothers love very greatly their own children. # They give to them very good advice and work for them very diligently. # At that time we will send ahead a great number of foot soldiers in that large forest, which we see from here. # From this mountaintop I easily see six cities and a hundred roads. # In the lowest (southern) parts of the country rivers are very small. # Our troops have been hindered longer by the lake than the mountains. # Most of the soldiers have been left behind near the port; the remaining (soldiers) have suddenly attacked the enemy. # They will build walls with trees and stones. # This river is wider than that by a hundred feet. === § 330, p. 129 === # Interdum hostēs Caesaris multō fortius quam mīlitēs Rōmānī pugnāvērunt. # Sed mīlitēs eius ācerrimē audacissimēque pugnābant. # Diūtissimē cum Gallīs bella gerēbat. # Ampla praemia saepe centuriōnibus suīs deit quod multa praeda cēperant. # In urbe Rōmae ā suīs inimīcīs interfectus est. === § 335, p. 131 === # At first Caesar pitched the camp on the top of the mountain. # The camp has been pitched on the top of the mountain by Caesar. # From this place the enemy have been seen on the large plain. # Between this mountain and that plain was a river, which was hundred feet wide and five feet deep. # However, Caesar drew up the battle line and was waiting the enemy's attack. # For the larger part of the day his horsemen remained in the flanks. # But the enemy did not attack, because they had a small hope of victory. # At that time the young lacked corn for many days. # The hills behind our camp is higher by many feet. === § 336, p. 131 === # Caesar hanc rem ē plūrimīs nūntiīs audivit. # Eō diē fidēs Gallōrum parvissima erat. # Flūmen in eō locō decem pedem altum erat; itaque in lītore tota impedīmenta relīquērunt. # Hae rēs (mīlitēs) nostrī omnī spē prīvāvit. # In Italiā sex diēs manēbimus. === § 345, p. 135 === # He sends a messenger in order that she may warn the citizens. # A youth is being sent that the citizens may be warned. # The legion is sent lest the town will be captured by the enemy. # The legions are fighting bravely to capture the town. # The boy has come so that he will hear the story. # The boys have come so they may hear your words. # We are sending them to govern the province. # We send them in order that the province is ruled by them. # You hasten to Gaul in order to wage war. # We send ahead a hundred soldiers to fortify the camp. === § 346, p. 135 === # Mittitur ut pugnet. # Eōs mittīmus ut viam reperiant. # Mitteris nē in urbem hostēs impetum faciant. # Mīlitēs ē castrīs dūcentur ut aciēs īnstruātur. # Veniam tē mātremque (tuam) videam. # Pugnat ut sē dēfendat. === § 353, p. 137 === # They come that they may seek peace. # They came that they might seek peace. # They will come that they may seek peace. # They had come that they might have sought peace. # They were fighting bravely lest they might be overcome by the Gauls. # They had hurried across the river so they might storm the town. # The legions will be sent to cut off the enemy from supplies. # In order that they might defend the port our (troops) have been sent ahead. # The consul will speak very boldly to rouse the <s>rabble</s> Roman people. === § 354, p. 137 === # Labōrant ut laudent. # Labōrābant ut laudārent. # Labōrābunt ut laudent. # Labōrāvērant ut laudārent. # Dē locīs superiōribus pīla iaciēbant ut Rōmānōs impedīrent. # Prīncipēs convocāverat ut novum cōnsilium audīrent. # Dē proeliō dēsistent nē interficiantur. === § 360, p. 139 === # The boy acted in such a way that he was liked by everyone. # The city has been laid waste lest it would have been captured by the enemy. # We advice him lest he become a soldier. # He commanded them not to travel through our province. # So great is the lack of food that very many are sick. # The city has been defended so bravely that for ten days it was not captured. # The enemy have fled to the forests lest they be surrounded by our (troops). # First Caesar ordered them to give aid to our (troops). === § 361, p. 139 === # Paucī tam erant ut fugerent. # Erant tam fortitēs ut nōn fugerent. # Eum moneō ut fortior sit. # Lēgātus mīlitēs ē castrīs dūxit ut āciem īnstrueret. # Postulat ut castra in eō locō pōnant. # Pālus tantus est ut nostrī impediantur. === § 375, p. 145 === # She asks what they are doing, they have done. # She knew what the were doing, they had done. # I shall tell you why they were toiling, they have toiled. # They had heard whence the soldiers were coming, had come. # They asked why they were being praised, they had been praised. # She knows why they are staying, they had stayed. # She has told us what those boys had done. # I asked whether she had been often in Italy. # Do you know how many years the Romans held Britain? === § 376, p. 145 === # Tibi dīcam ubi fuissent et quid fēcerint. # Hī veniunt ut videant, illī ut videantur. # Dēfessī tam sunt ut hōdiē nōn labent. # Mē rogāvit ut cūr venissem. # Audīveram ut ubi fuisset. # Dūx rogāvit num (illī) omnēs venīrent. # Scīsne quot mīlitēs veniant? === § 383, p. 147 === # On the way two rivers, ten feed deep, will be found. # The memory of these events had roused the army. # They had marched three miles and (then) the first line of battle was drawn up. # Caesar ordered that on the right wing were arranged the third legion and the fourth legion on the left. # Of the three brothers Marcus was the bravest. # For desire of victory this one legion kept back the Gauls. # The heavy javelin of the Romans was six feet long. # The next day they marched eight miles (away) from that place. # The four scouts, whom had been sent ahead, fled because of fear of the enemy. === § 384, p. 147 === # Spēs praemī līberōs Marcī incitābat. # In eō colle decem mīlia peditēs et duo mīlia equitēs īnstructī sunt. # Impedīmentum excertitūs mīlia passuum ā lītore relictum est. # Imperātōr secundam legiōnem prō castra īnstruet. # Adventū duarum legiōnum hostēs ē sinistrō cornū dēcessērunt. # Timor Caesaris Rōmānōrumque ūnam cīvitātem impedeet. # Ūnus hominum erat mihi inimīcus. === § 388, p. 149* === # On one shore of the river there was a city, and on the other was a mountain. # Of the two men, one was a general, the other was a tribune. # By the courage of the third legion alone the army was defended. # One legion was placed on the right wing, and the other was placed on the left wing by Caesar. # I will give neither of the captives food. # Which boy is your son? # During the summer there was not a ship in the sea. # Why are you encouraging both of them? === § 389, p. 149 === # Caesar virtūtem tōtīus legiōnis laudāverat. # Uter adulēscēns maiorem virtūtem dēmonstrāvit? # Caesar sine morā cum sōlā secundā legiōne iter faciet. # Aliī castra ponēbant, aliī aciēs īnstruēbant. # Nūllō in locō plūrimās arborēs repperimus. === § 396, p. 151* === # To come, to give, he is able to leave. # To be hindered, to be placed, they are able to be placed. # Receiving rewards is often pleasing. # Caesar has begun to lay waste to the remaining fields and towns of that state. # To hear your words is exceedingly difficult. # The Germans are not able to cut off supplies from the Romans. # At once the multitude began to beg for peace. # They ought to defend themselves. # Who of the entire army was so strong that he endured an enemy attack? # In the winter, days are five hours shorter than in the summer. === § 397, p. 151 === # Castra mūrō altō munīre erit facile. # Auxilium praebēre dēbēs/dēbētis. # Mīlitēs decimae legiōnis incitāre nōn potest. # Bellum gerere nōn saepe est optimum. # Fortēs bonīque esse dēbēmus. # Aliī pugnāre, aliī fugere coepērunt. === § 404, p. 154* === # By means of two scouts, Caesar knew that the enemies had marched six miles. # The allies respond that they will send aid to Caesar immediately. # The general said that he will give ample rewards to his own (men). # They all long to be children. # They all long for Italy to be free. # They all see the town being bravely defended. # Caesar ordered that the third line of battle be drawn up at once. # He knew the Gauls were coming to make an attack. === § 405, p. 154 === # Legātus suōs turrīs aedificāre iubēbit. # Sciō duās legiōnēs praemissās esse. # Per captīvōs cognōvit hostēs cibō carēre. # Eōs in illā cīvitāte hiemāre iussit. # Mercātōrēs respondērunt nūllum frūmentum in fīnibus Germānōrum esse. === § 413, p. 159* === # He can, he was able to, he shall be able to. # We have been able to, they had been able to, they were able to. # Do you know why these words of yours cannot be heard? # Identical were the difficulties of war that he could report to you all. # Labienus himself knew the causes of war were very many. # I reckon that I will purchase nothing today. # They no longer demand that the Roman people proffer ships. # The centurion who with eight scouts had been send to learn the way has reported that he had not been able to learn the way. # They all were hoping that Caesar would defeat the Gauls this summer. # The men themselves say that the weapons cannot be thrown. === § 414, p. 159* === # Potuimus, poterit, poteram. # Potuerat, potuerint, poterāmus # Līberī ipsī nōn iam pācem cupīvērunt. # Dīcunt sociōs nostrōs hodiē eōdem in periculō esse. # Putō mē duō diē cum istō amīcō manēre. # Mercātōrēs nūntiāvērunt multās manūs equitum in mōntēs missās esse. # Putō tē pugnāre posse. # Putāvistī mē venīre nōn posse. === § 421, p. 162* === # Two new rivers have been found by certain bold men. # I can no longer see any one in front of the house. # He demanded that the weapons be surrendered at once so that the citizens would be free from fear. # A certain captive has declared the same thing once again. # Each one shall be able to reply to some one. # Some women had not only been disturbed, but also had fled. # The legate demanded that everyone carry grain out of the region. # A certain legion was hastening to Delphi on account of a hope for victory. # This land of yours is like the island. === § 422, p. 163* === # Quisque dīcit Gallōs appropinquāre. # Quiddam nōn postulat. # Illa puella dextrā in manū aliquid habet. # Parte cuiusque aestātis apud montēs collīsque habitāmus. # Hodiē fābula nobīs ā aliquō narrābātur. # Simul quīdam in Caesarem vēniēbant ut auxilium postulārent. # Sciō quid quemque agere posse. === § 430, p. 165* === # One town of the allies had been attacked by the enemy for a long time, and fortifications were ravaged daily. # Because food and weapons have began to be lacking to the citizens, the allies have asked that Caesar send troops to help. # Therefore Caesar has placed Labienus in charge of one legion and has sent him as an aid to the citizens. # On the way Labienus ran into the enemy, who came from everywhere to capture the town. # The javelins were a hindrance to them, but the swords were a great advantage. # Our men have been superior to the enemy and have overcome them. # Labienus said that he would be a defense to the citizens. # Do you know who was at the head of the town? === § 431, p. 165* === # Virtūs Caesarī saepe nōn dēerat. # Virīs fortibus praefuit. # Praesidiō patriae suae erat. # Annōs multōs bellīs proximīs nōn superfuit. # Principibus Gallōrum Germānōrumque praestitit. # Lēgātōs cīvitātibus, quae victae erant, praefēcit. # Mare multīs pedibus altius est quam ille lacus. === § 436, p. 167* === # You all are willing, we are not willing, you are more willing # He did not trust the merchants. # To be unwilling, to have been more willing # They wish to persuade you all. # He is willing to favor me. # And they do not want to cause injury to you. # We prefer to be of help to you. # Why do you not want to help your mother? Lit. Why do you not want to be a help to your mother? # We reckon he want to rule over the cavalry. # At sunset the soldiers will capture the enemies' camp. # For few desire war from these people. # He commanded the soldiers that they bravely oppose the Gauls. # Neither the women nor the children were afraid. === § 437, p. 167* === # Volēbant, nōlam, mālet. # Auxiliō nostrīs nōlēbant. # Amīcīs tuīs placēre nōn poterant # Atque imperātōrī nōn persuāsērunt. # Eīs imperābit ut mulieribus nōn noceant. # Illō tempore neque Gallī neque Germānī bellō volēbant. === § 447, p. 171* === # Some of the soldiers were fleeing and have been captured. # Hindered by these things on this day, they did not make an attack. # The other centurion was wounded while fighting in the first line of battle. # Aid had been sent to our soldiers attacking the camp. # Certain women left in the town have determined to defend themselves. # Part of the enemy has been disturbed by the arrival of Caesar and has left at sunset. # He left the soldiers that were brought back in the winter quarters. # The multitude of slaves, having been frightened, were fleeing from the city. # The following day, the camp have moved. === § 448, p. 172* === # Quīdam vir resistēns ā hoste vulnerātus est. # Vulnerātī tam fortiter pugnavērunt ut captī esse nōn possent. # Commōtus difficultātibus itineris legiōnēs suōs rēdūcere cōnstituit. # Hī equitēs praemissī longē fortiterque Gallōs restitērunt. # Dē cōnsiliīs tuīs rogātus, nihil dīcam. # Ducēs captī in Italiam mittentur.   === § 457, p. 176* === # When the enemies had been defeated, he determined to march through the middle of the province. # With Caesar as consul, the war with the Gauls was long. # When a certain town had been taken by storm, a camp was placed on the very banks of this river. # The Helvetians, having been influenced by a lack of everything, sent ambassadors to Caesar concerning surrender. # With these things having been discovered, all were eager for war. # Although few were defending it, the Romans were not able to capture this town. # With the captives having been received into surrender, the general left behind three cohorts as relief for the camp. # These prisoners had been captured for the same reason while fighting quite bravely.   # Who put the horsemen who had been sent to aid the generals in command? # When the city had been fortified, the citizens were no longer frightened. === § 458, p. 177* === # Hīs verba audītibus, magnopere permōvit. # Urbe captī, mīlitēs captīvēs līberāvērunt. # Tōtum diem hostēs nostrōs resistēbant. # Labienō duce, exercitus noster hostibus nocēre potuerint. # Monte captī, Labienus nostrōs expectābat. # Ēruptiōne factī, prīmam aciem nostram appropinquāre nōn potuērunt. === § 464, p. 179* === # He goes, we go, they were going. # To go, having loved, they shall go. # They go, they had gone, he has gone. # He reported the difficulty of navigating. # This is the reason for sending. # He came for the purpose of sending letters. # Diligence in action [acting/doing] pleases the leader. # The opportunity was not given for fighting. # Caesar has stopped speaking. # The time for throwing javelins at the enemy was short. # They have come near to talk. # He shall go with you all to enquire about their names. # He wanted to know where they had been going. # Labienus ordered that the camp be fortified with a rampart. === § 465, p. 179* === # Īs, ībant, ierat. # Ībimus, ieris. # Quō iērunt? # Eīs īre persuādet. # Imperāvit ut eant. # Causā quaerendī pācem vēnērunt. # Spatium ōrandī nōn datum est. # Ad nāvigandum mare appropinquābant. # Eō diē tria mīllia passuum iērunt et occassū solis casta posuērunt.   === § 476, p. 183* === # He bears, we bear, they shall bear. # To bear, he shall bear, to have borne. # They are coming back to bring help. # They had borne, he had been carried. # In peace-seeking. # On account of desiring freedom.   # By increasing men. # Of bridge-making. # The legion prepares itself for waging war. # Many have come together to see the new city. # The sign had to be given. # With the signal given, the soldiers marched with the greatest swiftness. # Everything had been done at once. # We reckon that the war ought to be arranged. # He lacked time because of the javelin throwing. # Weapons are to be brought to the winter-quarters. === § 477, p. 183* === # Fers, ferunt, tulerat. # Tulistī, ferēbant, ferendō. # Auxilium ferēbatur. # Dīxērunt scūta ferenda esse. # Oppidī videndī. # Causā aciēī īnstruendī. # Bellō gerendō. # In acrīs vāstandīs. # Vīs sociōrum cotīdiē auget. # Vīs hostium ferenda est. # Cohors celeritāte redūcenda est. # Lēgātus hīs cōpiīs praesentus erat. === § 485, p. 187 === === § 486, p. 187 === === § 491, p. 189 === === § 492, p. 189 === === § 499, p. 193 === === § 500, p. 193 === === § 504, p. 195 === === § 505, p. 195 === == Reading Lessons == Translations for the reading lessons are kept as literal as possible. These should not be taken as an example neither for translation nor reading. === § 96, p. 46-7 === Cornelia and Julia are small girls. Where do they dwell? They dwell not in Greece but in a renowned town of Italy. They are inhabitants of Rome. Italy is the native country of the Romans. Rome has wide roads and large temples. The Romans like and approve of war. <br> Cornelia is a poet's daughter. The poet often walks in wide gardens. He also sings about the long war and the flight of the Germans because he approves the victory of the Romans. <br> Julia is a farmer's daughter. The farmer has horses and new carts. The farmer's horses carry food and grain. The farmer's slaves give water to the horses. Julia likes the horses and praises the slaves. The farmer is a good master. <br> Marcus and Galba, tribunes, are friends of the girls. Marcus is a friend of the poet's and tells pleasing stories to Cornelia. Galba shows forests and islands of the sea to Julia. (During the modern times this could, and probably would, end up being understood horribly wrong, and the whole affair would end badly for both Marcus and Galba.) <br> A good woman teaches the girls. Cornelia's diligence delights the woman. She calls together the girls in the poet's garden, and she tells stories. The stories of war frighten the small girls. <br> They (= presumably the girls and the woman) often prepare gifts for Vesta. Who is Vesta? Vesta is a Roman goddess, and she has a temple. The girls often walk on Roman roads and behold the booty of Germany and Britain. === § 138, p. 61 === Romulus has built Rome, the renowned city of Italy. The Romans were strong men, and they loved their fatherland. They were fighting often for their fatherland, and with arms they subdued often the Sabines in battle. The Sabines had fine arms, and they fought with great zeal for a long time with long javelins. But the Romans put the Sabines in flight, and they wounded many men with (their) swords. === § 158, p. 67 === Mars, ancestor of the Romans, was fond of arms, battles and wars. Romulus and Remus, sons of the god of arms, have built Rome. And so, battles and wars delighted the minds of the Romans. The Romans worshipped Mercury, Neptune, and Vesta. Mercury, a messenger of the gods, related commands of the gods to inhabitants of the Earth. Sailors worshipped Neptune, the god of water and sea. Women worshipped Vesta, the goddess of hearth, and they prepared many offerings for the goddess. === § 169, p. 72 === ''Marcus'': My friend told me a good story today. ''Julia'': About what did your friend tell? ''Marcus'': (He told) about Icarus, son of Daedalus, an unfortunate boy. ''Julia'': Where did Icarus live? In Britain? ''Marcus'': He did not live in Britain, but in Crete, a large and famous island. Daedalus conceived and prepared wings for (his) son. These wings he put on Icarus using wax with great care. The wings were pleasing to Daedalus. The he taught Daedalus, the boy, to fly, but Icarus flew too high. An so the sun melted the wax, and the wings fell off. ''Julia'': And what about Icarus? ''Marcus'': Icarus too fell down into the sea. ''Julia'': [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/alack Alack], poor Icarus! === § 170, p. 73 === '''The Romans fight for (their) allies''' Because injuries have been many, our allies ask for succour. And accordingly, the Romans have sent a legate with men into the land of Helvetians. Presently this legate has called men together in a town. He has bought food and carts, and he has armed the men with swords and shields. Meanwhile the allies have prepared grain. Today the legate will strengthen the spirits of the men. Then he will lead the men in neighbouring lands and will wait for a battle. The spot of that battle is near to the Helvetians('s troops). Our men will fight with great zeal for the allies, and they will subdue the Helvetians. They will lead many prisoners into the town. Those prisoners will pass the winter in our villages. === § 200, p. 84 === Porsena, an enemy of the Romans, was a famous king. Once he was besieging the city, Rome. Terror of the Romans was great, because Porsena had many soldiers. Frightened women were supplicating the gods in temples. But the bravery of a strong man protected Rome. For with a few comrades Horatius kept back the enemy in front of the Sublician bridge. Meanwhile the citizens dismantled and broke down the bridge in the rear. Then Horatius sent away (his) comrades, and he (alone) defended the bridge against the enemy. Finally the bridge fell down, and among the javelins of the enemy Horatius leapt down into the Tiber and swam to his comrades. This example of bravery saved Rome. Today we praise the deeds of Horatius. === § 202, p. 85 === Spain, Gaul, and Germany were countries of Europe. Nearest to the Strait of Gibraltar (= [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillars_of_Hercules the Pillars of Hercules]) was Spain. The Gauls lived between Spain and Germany, and Germans dwelled on the other side of Rhine. The Germans had a few villages in Gaul too. Because these nations were enemies (of the Romans), the Romans have fought with the Spaniards, the Gauls, and the Germans often. Between Gaul and the (mediterranean) sea was a new province of Rome. For a long time the inhabitants of that province warded off violence of the Gauls. Finally they requested help from the Romans; for they were greatly afraid of the neighbouring Helvetians. The Helvetians were hostile not only to the province but also to the Germans, and they were fighting the Germans with almost daily battles. === § 216, p. 91 === M: Today I heard the story about Porsena and Horatius. I: Who was Porsena? Was he a Roman? M: Porsena, a noble king, was an enemy of the Romans. With daring soldiers he came into the territories of the Romans, and he attacked the city of Rome. I: Did the Romans flee because of the danger? M: Great was the danger of the city and of the citizens, because the enemies were brave and eager, but the Romans did not flee. I: Did Porsena capture Rome? M: He did not capture the city, because the bravery of a strong man was protecting the citizens. With few allies, Horatius was bravely fighting for the city. I: Did Horatius withstand the enemies for a long time? M: Not for a long time, because the enemies were many, and they were hurling many javelins. But he swam across the river to allies. The Romans praised Horatius on account of his courage. === § 222, p. 93 === # Once a friend asked a Spartan: "Why does Spart not have walls?" The Spartan responded: "Our city has the very best walls, the courage of the strong inhabitants." # Once the Spartan king said: "My citizens have never asked, 'How many are the enemies?' but 'Where are they?'" # Before battle with a Spartan, an enemy said, 'You will not see the sun on account of a multitude of javelins and arrows." "In shade, therefore, we will fight," responded the Spartan. === § 234, p. 98 === In Gaul, the citizens were many and strong. The chiefs of these citizens feared the power and commands of the Romans. Therefore, they had called together many soldiers and among the mountains and hills they were waiting for the Romans. In the first year of the war, the Roman people sent Caesar against the Gauls. This leader, with Labienus and foot soldiers and a few horsemen, hasetened out of Italy in the summer and without peril came into the territories of the Gauls. In these places the scouts of Caesar found enemies. At dawn, the Roman soldiers attacked the Gauls. Intense was the battle. The Gauls were defending the place with stones and heavy weapons. Our men were throwing javelins, and with swords they were withstanding the enemeis. Finally the weary Gauls, on account of a lack of weapons and wounds, fled across the river. For ten years Caesar waged many wars in Gaul and he sent many captives to Rome. === § 236, p. 99 === Because the Britons had often sent aid to the Gauls, Caesar sailed to the Britain island. Although frightened by a great number of ships and men, the strong Britains fought with great courage in defense of the homeland. Yet finally they fled from shore. After this battle, the Romans had laid waste to the fields of the enemies, and had seized villages, and had captured much booty. Cassivellaunus, chief of the Britons, sent envoys to Caesar. Caesar demanded hostages. With these hostages and many captives, he came out of Britain into Gaul. On account of this victory, great was the power of the Romans in Britain. === § 275, p. 111 === At one time, the cities of Rome were rendered a great danger from the Volscians, who were bold enemies of the Roman people. The Volscians were stirred and led by Coriolanus, a Roman. At last, many buildings in the fields were laid waste by the enemies. The citizens armed themselves. The city was supplied food by the consul. In vain the enemies were hindered. Then, because of the great danger, the Romans sent the mother of Coriolanus to him regarding peace, because she was greatly loved by her son. Veturia, the mother of Coriolanus, came into the camp to her son. She found him in the camp. Coriolanus saw her and said, 'My country have conquered me and my allies.' At once he fled from the city with the enemies. === § 277, p. 111 === Many stories concerning Perseus are told by poets. Perseus was the son of Jupiter, king of the gods. His grandfather was Acrisius. He was wishing to kill Perseus; for on account of the power of the gods, he feared the boy. Therefore, he captured him while he was still a baby, and placed him with his mother in a chest. Then he cast the chest into the sea. Danae, the mother of Perseus, was fearing greatly, for a great storm was disturbing the sea. However, Perseus was sleeping in the arms of his mother. === § 291, p. 115 === Then Jupiter saw all of this, and he determined to save his son. Therefore he made the sea calm, and he drew the chest to the island of Seraphim. Polydectus was the king of this island at that time. After the ark was drawn to the shore, Danae was sleeping on the sand. After a short time she was found by a man, and she was led to the king. He received well the mother and son, and offered to them a safe dwelling in his territories. === § 314, p. 124 === Scipio and Hannibal were famous generals. The former was a Roman, who won great victories; the latter was a Carthaginian, who conquered the Romans in many battles. Hannibal, when a boy, was brought to the altar by his father. There he swore hatred against the Romans. The young man captured many towns in Spain, then he passed over the Alp mountains and often defeated the Romans in Italy. Scipio, near the Ticinus River, courageously saved the life of his father, and afterwards, near Cannae, showed himself brave against Hannibal. War was carried across into Africa, and there Scipio defeated Hannibal near Zama. He is called by the Romans, 'Africanus.' === § 316, p. 125 === Perseus, as a young man, withdrew from the island Seriphus, and, after he came to the mainland, sought Medusa. For a long time, in vain, he was seeking her for he was ignorant of the nature of the location. After a while, Mercury and Minerva showed to him the road. First unto the Graeae, the sisters of Medusa, he came. With their help he received winged shoes and a magic helmet. Mercury and Minerva gave to him a sword and mirror. Then, after he put on his feet the winged shoes, he ascended into the air. For a long time he flew through the air; finally, however, to that place where Medusa was living with the other Gorgons he came. The Gorgons were monsters whose heads were wholly covered with snakes. But their hands were made from bronze. === § 337, p. 132 === If you are doing well, it is good; I am also doing well. This letter I am gladly writing to you. By the advice of my doctor I am wintering in Italy with my parents. With you snow covers everything, but with us here we rarely see snow. The air is mild; the heavens smile. Sometimes I walk on the shore or I wander in the spacious gardens, for the grass and trees are green there. From here I see Mt. Vesuvius, from here nearly the entire city, from here the beautiful islands situated in the sea. Daily, I give much of ''my'' work in the Latin language. I learn this language much easier than Greek. But now I form the end of the letter; soon I will tell to you everything in person. Farewell, my friend. === § 339, p. 133 === The most difficult thing was the cutting off the head of the Gorgon. for by the sight of it men would be turned into stone. Because of this reason, Minerva had given to Perseus the mirror. Therefore he turned his back, and into the mirror he looked; by this manner he advanced to the place where Medusa was sleeping. Then with his sword he cut off her head with one stroke. The remaining Gorgons immediately were awakened from sleep, and, when they saw the thing, were disturbed. They seized weapons, and they intended to kill Perseus. However while he was fleeing, he put on the magic helmet; and, where he did this, immediately he went out of their view. === § 368, p. 142 === On the next day, Caesar led the army out from the camp and made a march to the river. The thing was reported by the enemy, whose foot-soldiers were seen by us on the top of the hill. Then Caesar placed the calvary in the sides so that they could help the foot-soldiers, and he incited the spirits of the soldiers to battle in this way: "All the hope of the public affair is placed on our courage. Fortune helps the brave. The brave will conquer." The enemy then fiercely made an attack against our line so that they gave way. However for a short time the enemy were overcome so that from all sides of the battle they fled across the river. Their leader was captured and he was sent to Rome. === § 370, p. 143 === After this Perseus came into the territories of Egypt. There Cepheus was ruling at that time. He at one time had struck Neptune, the god of the sea; therefore, Neptune had sent the cruelest monster. This monster daily would come out of the sea and would devour men. For this reason, terror seized the spirits of them all. Cepheus, therefore, consulted the oracle of the god Hammon, and he was commanded by the god to surrender his daughter Andromeda to the monster. However, that virgin was very beautiful. Cepheus, when he heard this, greatly grieved. But he wished to save his citizens from the great danger, and for this reason he determined to do the command of Hammon. === § 391, p. 149 === Then the king appointed a day and prepared everything. When that day came, Andromeda was led to the shore, and in the view of all she was bound to the cliff. Everyone, because of her fate, was grieving, and not holding back tears. But suddenly, while they were waiting for the monster, Perseus came to the shore; and, when he saw the tears, asked the cause of the grief. They explained the whole thing and pointed out the girl. While this was carrying on, a dreadful sound was heard; at the same time a most savage monster was seen afar. Their view caused a great fear. With great speed the monster hastened to the shore, and at last he came near to the place where the girl was standing. === § 406, p. 156* === After this battle, Caesar spoke to his soldiers in a meeting thus: they had fought bravely; and so the enemy has been defeated everywhere and has fled to the mountains and the marshes; he [Caesar] would give the booty to them; he [Caesar] knew that they were tired on account of the long war and that he would send them to Italy at once; he [Caesar] wanted to remain in Gaul through the winter, but the following summer he [Caesar] would lead his own (men) to the Germans; many captives had been sent to Rome, and the Roman people were delighted by their victory. === § 408, p. 156-7* === When Perseus saw this, he took out his sword, and, after donning his magic boots, flew through the air. Then he suddenly attacked the monster from above, and gravely wounded its neck with his sword. When the monster felt the wound, it let out a horrible noise and without delay submerged its entire body in the water. As Perseus flew around the shore, he awaited its return. But meanwhile, the sea was being tainted everywhere with blood. After a short time the beast exposed its head again; nevertheless it was soon wounded by Perseus with a more severe strike. Then it again submerged itself in the waves, and thereafter was never seen again. After Perseus descended to the shore, he first removed his magic boots; then came to the cliff where Andromeda was bound. But she had put away all hope of salvation, and when Perseus arrived, she had nearly died of fear. The former loosened her bonds at once and returned the girl to her father. Cepheus was affected with great joy on account of this action. And so he gave Andromeda to Perseus in matrimony. Perseus lived with his wife in this region for a few years, and existed in great honor among all Ethiopians. === § 423, p. 163* === [From Caesar's ''Commentāriī De Bellō Gallicō'' Book I.I] All of Gaul is divided in three parts, one of which the Belgae inhabit, the Aquitani another, and the third those who are called Gauls. Of all of these the bravest are the Belgae because they are neither near the Roman provinces nor do traders come to them often; and they are the nearest to the Germans, who live across the Rhine, and with whom they wage war. For this reason the Helvetians are also braver than the rest of Gaul. They struggle on account of nearly daily battles with the Germans, when they restrain them from their own territories or they themselves wage war in the Germans' territories. This part that the Gauls occupy begins at the river Rhone; and is stopped at the river Garonne, the ocean, and the Belgian territories. === § 438, p. 168* === Certain mice had a meeting once, for they greatly feared a cat. Plans that were put forward was not pleasing to all. Finally one mouse spoke thus: "We ought to tie a tinnabulum to the cat's tail. Thus truly on account of his sound we shall be warned and shall be able to flee. Who of us wishes to do this?" But none of the companions was persuaded to tie the tintinnabulum to the cat, and he himself was unwilling. This story teaches that very many are bold in offering advice but are afraid of the very risk [of doing so]. === § 439, p. 168* === One time, Nasica came to the house of the poet Ennis and asked about him. The slave-girl responded that Ennius was not at home. But Nasica felt that that girl said this on account of the master's command and that Ennius was home. A few days later Ennius came to Nasica's house. She exclaims to him that Nasica is not at home. Then Ennius said, "What? Do I not know your voice?" Hereupon Nasica replied, "You are a shameless man. I believed your slave-girl; you do not believe me myself?" === § 440, p. 168-9* === [From Caesar's ''Commentāriī De Bellō Gallicō'' Book I.II] Oregetorix was the most famous of the Helvetians for a long time. He was led by desire for the kingship and created a conspiracy of the nobility. Then he persuaded the state to hasten from their own land with all of their troops. It was easy to persuade them because the Helvetians are enclosed on all sides by the nature of the place: on one side the river Rhine, the broadest and deepest, which divided the land of the Helvetians from the Germans; on the other side by the very high Jura mountain, which is between the Sequani and the Helvetians; on the third side by lake Lemannus [Geneva] and the river Rhine, which divides our province from the Helvetians. On account of the multitude of men and the glory of war they reckoned themselves to have a small territory, which extended 240 miles in length and 180 miles in breadth. === § 449, p. 173* === # Lacaenus said to his son while hastening to battle, "either on a shield or with a shield." (A Greek saying based on the fact that slain warriors would be carried home upon their shields.) # Leonidas said to the soldiers, "The enemies are near us," to which he responded, "Now we are near the enemy." # Thales, having been asked, "What is common to men?" responded, "Hope; for truly now they have this who have nothing at all." # A Corinthian spectator asked, "You make strong and high walls. Which women inhabit this city?" # A certain man asked Aristotle, "What is friendship?" Aristotle replied, "One soul in two bodies." # Cicero said, "The one that cannot tame an army is the general who cannot tame himself."   === § 451, p. 173-4* === The Helvetians, influenced by these things and having been agitated by the authority of Orgetorix, determined to buy the maximum number of carts, prepare a supply of grain, and strengthen peace and friendship with neighboring nations. Meanwhile Orgetorix assumed the position of ambassador towards the nations. During this quest he persuaded Casticus, a Sequani, whose father had possessed the Sequani kingdom for many years and had been named friend of the Roman people by the Senate, to seize the kingdom in his own nation. He persuaded this man to do the same for the other chiefs. Influenced by Orgetorix's speech, these chiefs offered hostages amongst themselves, and they hoped to be able to occupy the entirety of Gaul by themselves. The Helvetians however did not approve of this meeting. Therefore they gathered together a multitude of men from the fields to avert Orgetorix's plans. But at this time Orgetorix suddenly died.    === § 479, p. 184-5 === === § 494, p. 190-1 === == Reviews == === § 68, p. 38 === === § 69, p. 38 === === § 70, p. 39 === === § 71, p. 39 === === § 72, p. 39 === # Rule: The subject of a sentence is in the nominative case.<br>''Equus natat.'' # Rule: A verb agrees with its subject in number and person.<br>''Equī natant.'' # Rule: The object of a verb is in the accusative case.<br>''Puella equum exspectat.'' # Rule: The word enoting the owner or possessor is in the genitive case.<br>''Equus puellae natat.'' # Rule: The cause of and action may be expressed by a dependent clause introduced by ''quod''.<br>''Equus natat quod puella equum exspectat.'' # Rule: The indirect object of a verb is in the dative case.<br>''Rēgīna puellae equum dat.'' # Rule: Plase where is commonly expressed by a phrase consisting of a preposition, usually ''in'', with the ablative case.<br>''Puella in agrō equum spectat.'' # Rule: -.<br>''Quis puellae equum dat?''<br>''Rēgīnane puellae equum dat?''<br>''Cuius equum rēgīna puellae dat?'' === § 115, p. 54 === === § 116, p. 54 === === § 117, p. 55 === === § 118, p. 55 === === § 119, p. 55 === # Rule: Adjectives agree with their nouns in case, gender, and number. <br>''Ea puella equum bonum et parvam habet.'' # Rule: A predicate noun agrees in case with the subject of the verb. <br>''Cornēlia est puella.'' # Rule: A predicate adjective agrees in case, gender, and number with the subject of the verb. <br>''Iūlia et Cornēlia sunt amīcae.'' # Rule: An appositive agrees in case with the noun it explains. <br>''Cornēlia puella equum probat.'' # Rule: Certain adjectives meaning near, fit, friendly, pleasing, like, and their opposites may be accompanied by a dative to show the person or the thin toward which the quality of the adjective is directed. <br>''Equus Cornēliae grātus est.'' === § 163, p. 70 === === § 164, p. 70 === === § 165, p. 70 === === § 166, p. 71 === === § 167, p. 71 === # Rule: The means by which an action is accomplished is expressed by the ablative without a preposition.<br>''Sociōs vulnerōs scutīs portāvērunt.'' # Rule: The ablative with cum is used with abstract nouns to denote the manner of an action; but cum may be omitted if an adjective modifies the noun of the phrase.<br>''In eō locō cum studīo pugnāvērunt; sed prō eō vīcō magnā cūrā pugnāvērunt.'' # Rule: The ablative with cum is used to show accompaniment.<br>''Is lēgātus in Italiam cum sociīs properāvit.'' === § 203, p. 86 === === § 204, p. 86 === === § 205, p. 87 === === § 206, p. 87 === === § 207, p. 87 === # Rule: Place from which is expressed by the ablative with ''ā'' (''ab''), ''dē'' or ''ē'' (''ex'').<br>''Ab urbē Horātius properat.''<br>''Dē pontē Horātius desiluit.''<br>''Ē portā Horātius properāvit.'' # Rule: The place to which is expressed by the accusative with ''ad'' or ''in''.<br>''Ad pontem Horātius cucurrit.''<br>''In flūmen Horātius desilit.'' # Rule: The ablative without a preposition is used to express cause.<br>''Multīs vulneribus mīlitēs dēfessī sunt.'' # Rule: Cause may also be expressed by a prepositional phrase consisting of ''ob'' or ''propter'' with the accusative, or of ''dē'' or ''ex'' with the ablative.<br>''Ob virtūtem Horātiī eum laudāmus.''<br>''Rōmānī multīs dē iniūrīs cum Helvetiīs pugnāverunt.'' # Rule: -<br>''Ad pontem contrā hostīs Horātius properat.''<br>''Ante pontem inter sociōs Horātius apud hostīs pugnāvit.''<br>''Ob iniūriās per urbem et trāns pontem Horātius, et post Horātium cīvēs, properāvērunt.'' # Rule: -<br>''Ab urbe et ē portās cum sociīs prō Rōmā Horātius, sine terrōre, properat.'' # Rule: -<br>''Nostrī dēfessī sunt.''<br>''Dux dēfessōs ā proeliō dīmīsit.'' === § 252, p. 104 === === § 253, p. 104 === === § 254, p. 104 === === § 255, p. 105 === === § 256, p. 105 === === § 301, p. 120 === === § 302, p. 120 === === § 303, p. 121 === === § 304, p. 121 === === § 305, p. 121 === === § 362, p. 140 === === § 363, p. 140 === === § 364, p. 141 === === § 365, p. 141 === === § 366, p. 141 === === § 415, p. 160 === === § 416, p. 160 === === § 417, p. 161 === === § 418, p. 161 === === § 419, p. 161 === === § 466, p. 180 === === § 467, p. 180 === === § 468, p. 181 === === § 469, p. 181 === === § 470, p. 181 === === § 506, p. 196 === === § 507, p. 196 === === § 508, p. 197 === === § 509, p. 197 === === § 510, p. 197 === === § 511, p. 197 === trhoot94raerxhf48vuwfdaq72dh2gy 2 405986 4654262 3525946 2026-07-12T21:37:24Z UvaBe 3214402 It is a note on my user page to anyone who may have been bothered by the person(s) who hacked my account here. 4654262 wikitext text/x-wiki I do not use other names on social media. If someone says they are me and uses another name, it is not me. I haven't been here at all for a while, years. I received a notification about account being compromised. When I look at the history page, there's a lot of not good stuff listed. I don't know why, or who it is. It's sad. Do your own work. Find your purpose in this life. 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'''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/05|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W05"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:06, 31 January 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=24455949 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-06 {{User:Xeverything11/tags/updates}} == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Sweden Finns' Day]] '''<br /> <small>''([[:fi:Ruotsinsuomalaisten päivä]]) ([[:sv:Sverigefinnarnas dag]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Sverigefinskaflaggan.svg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Sweden Finns' Day''' (Finnish: Ruotsinsuomalaisten päivä, Swedish: Sverigefinnarnas dag) is an anniversary celebrated in Sweden on 24 February. The anniversary of the calendar was approved by the Swedish Academy in 2010 and was celebrated for the first time in 2011. February 24 was chosen as the birthday of Carl Axel Gottlund, a collector of folk poetry and a defender of the status of the Finnish language. The purpose of the day is to celebrate the Sweden Finns and to recognize their history, language and culture as a prominent part of Sweden's cultural heritage. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 02:04, 6 February 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=24491747 --> == Tech News: 2023-06 {{User:Xeverything11/tags/updates}} == <section begin="technews-2023-W06"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. 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An operator may monitor and take control of the robot remotely in certain situations that the robot cannot resolve by itself such as when it is stuck in an obstacle. Delivery robots can be used in different settings such as food delivery, package delivery, hospital delivery, and room service. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:26, 13 February 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=24515453 --> == Tech News: 2023-07 {{User:Xeverything11/tags/updates}} == <section begin="technews-2023-W07"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/07|Translations]] are available. '''Problems''' * On wikis where patrolled edits are enabled, changes made to the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Communities/How to configure the mentors' list|mentor list]] by autopatrolled mentors are not correctly marked as patrolled. It will be fixed later this week. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T328444] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.40/wmf.23|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-02-14|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-02-15|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-02-16|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.40/Roadmap|calendar]]). * The Reply tool and other parts of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:DiscussionTools#Mobile|DiscussionTools]] will be deployed for all editors using the mobile site. You can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Talk_pages_project/Mobile#Status_Updates|read more about this decision]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T298060] '''Future changes''' * All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on March 1. This is planned for [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1677679222 14:00 UTC]. More information will be published in Tech News and will also be posted on individual wikis in the coming weeks. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T328287][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T327920][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/07|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W07"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 01:49, 14 February 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=24540832 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-08 {{User:Xeverything11/tags/updates}} == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Buddha Dhatu Jadi]] '''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Swarno Mandir.JPG|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Buddha Dhatu Jadi''' (Bengali: বুদ্ধ ধাতু জাদি; Burmese: ဗုဒ္ဓဓာတုစေတီ also known as the Bandarban Golden Temple) is located close to Balaghata town, in Bandarban City, in Bangladesh. Dhatu are the material remains of a holy person, and in this temple the relics belong to Buddha. It is the largest Theravada Buddhist temple in Bangladesh and has the second-largest Buddha statue in the country. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 02:18, 20 February 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=24581813 --> == Tech News: 2023-08 {{User:Xeverything11/tags/updates}} == <section begin="technews-2023-W08"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/08|Translations]] are available. '''Problems''' * Last week, during planned maintenance of Cloud Services, unforeseen complications forced the team to turn off all tools for 2–3 hours to prevent data corruption. Work is ongoing to prevent similar problems in the future. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T329535] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.40/wmf.23|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-02-21|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-02-22|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-02-23|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.40/Roadmap|calendar]]). *The voting phase for the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey 2023|Community Wishlist Survey 2023]] ends on [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1677261621 24 February at 18:00 UTC]. The results of the survey will be announced on 28 February. '''Future changes''' * All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on March 1. This is planned for [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1677679222 14:00 UTC]. More information will be published in Tech News and will also be posted on individual wikis in the coming weeks. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T328287][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T327920][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/08|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W08"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 01:58, 21 February 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=24570514 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-09 {{User:Xeverything11/tags/updates}} == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Alina Scholtz]] '''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Alina Scholtz''' (24 September 1908 – 25 February 1996) was a Polish landscape architect, known as one of country's pioneers in developing the field. Throughout her career she worked on various public and private projects for cemeteries, parks and green spaces. Some of her most noted works include the grounds of a villa on Kielecka Street in Warsaw for which she won a Silver Medal at the 1937 World Exhibition in Paris, the memorial cemetery to the victims of the Palmiry massacre, and landscaping projects along the East-West traffic route of Warsaw. In addition to her design work, she served as one of the founding members of the International Federation of Landscape Architects. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 02:04, 27 February 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=24617511 --> == Tech News: 2023-09 {{User:Xeverything11/tags/updates}} == <section begin="technews-2023-W09"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/09|Translations]] are available. '''Problems''' * Last week, in some areas of the world, there were problems with loading pages for 20 minutes and saving edits for 55 minutes. These issues were caused by a problem with our caching servers due to unforseen events during a routine maintenance task. [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incidents/2023-02-22_wiki_outage][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incidents/2023-02-22_read_only] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.40/wmf.25|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-02-28|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-03-01|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-03-02|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.40/Roadmap|calendar]]). * All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on March 1. This is planned for [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1677679222 14:00 UTC]. [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/Server_switch] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/09|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W09"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:47, 27 February 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=24634242 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-10 {{User:Xeverything11/tags/updates}} == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Mary Nzimiro]] '''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Mary Nzimiro''', birthname Mary Nwametu Onumonu, MBE (1898–1993) was a pioneering Nigerian businesswoman, politician and women's activist. In 1948, she was appointed principal representative of the United Africa Company (UAC) for Eastern Nigeria, while maintaining textile and cosmetics retail outlets of her own in Port Harcourt, Aba and Owerri. By the early 1950s, she was among the richest individuals in West Africa, becoming a resident of the exclusive Bernard Carr Street in Port Harcourt. On the political front, she was a member of the influential National Council of Nigeria and the Cameroons, becoming a member of its executive committee in 1957 and vice-president of the NCNC Estern Women's Association in 1962. During the Nigerian Civil War (1967–1970), she organized Igbo women in support of the Biafrans. As a result she lost most of her property in Port Harcourt and returned to her native Oguta where she died in 1993. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 02:47, 6 March 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=24636259 --> == Tech News: 2023-10 {{User:Xeverything11/tags/updates}} == <section begin="technews-2023-W10"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/10|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * The Community Wishlist Survey 2023 edition has been concluded. Community Tech has [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Results|published the results]] of the survey and will provide an update on what is next in April 2023. * On wikis which use [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Writing_systems|LanguageConverter]] to handle multiple writing systems, articles which used custom conversion rules in the wikitext (primarily on Chinese Wikipedia) would have these rules applied inconsistently in the table of contents, especially in the Vector 2022 skin. This has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T306862] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.40/wmf.26|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-03-07|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-03-08|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-03-09|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.40/Roadmap|calendar]]). * A search system has been added to the [[Special:Preferences|Preferences screen]]. This will let you find different options more easily. Making it work on mobile devices will happen soon. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T313804] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/10|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W10"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:50, 6 March 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=24676916 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-11 {{User:Xeverything11/tags/updates}} == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Elizabeth Langdon Williams]] '''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Elizabeth Langdon Williams.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Elizabeth Langdon Williams''' (February 8, 1879 in Putnam, Connecticut – 1981 in Enfield, New Hampshire) was an American human computer and astronomer whose work helped lead to the discovery of Pluto, or Planet X. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:21, 13 March 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=24700408 --> == Tech News: 2023-11 {{User:Xeverything11/tags/updates}} == <section begin="technews-2023-W11"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/11|Translations]] are available. '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.40/wmf.27|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-03-14|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-03-15|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-03-16|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.40/Roadmap|calendar]]). * Starting on Wednesday, a new set of Wikipedias will get "[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Add a link|Add a link]]" ({{int:project-localized-name-cbk_zamwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-cdowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-cewiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-cebwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-chwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-chrwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-chywiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-ckbwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-cowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-csbwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-cuwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-cvwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-cywiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-itwiki/en}}). This is part of the [[phab:T304110|progressive deployment of this tool to more Wikipedias]]. The communities can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Community configuration|configure how this feature works locally]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T304542][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T304550] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/11|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W11"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:20, 13 March 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=24700189 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-12 {{User:Xeverything11/tags/updates}} == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:I Didn't Raise My Boy to Be a Soldier]] '''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Peerless Quartet - I Didn't Raise my Boy to be a Soldier.ogg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> an American anti-war song that was influential within the pacifist movement that existed in the United States before it entered World War I. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:31, 20 March 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=24720571 --> == Tech News: 2023-12 {{User:Xeverything11/tags/updates}} == <section begin="technews-2023-W12"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/12|Translations]] are available. '''Problems''' * Last week, some users experienced issues loading image thumbnails. This was due to incorrectly cached images. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T331820] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.1|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-03-21|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-03-22|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-03-23|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.40/Roadmap|calendar]]). * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] A link to the user's [[{{#special:CentralAuth}}]] page will appear on [[{{#special:Contributions}}]] — some user scripts which previously added this link may cause conflicts. This feature request was [[:m:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Admins and patrollers/Add link to CentralAuth on Special:Contributions|voted #17 in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey]]. * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] The [[{{#special:AbuseFilter}}]] edit window will be resizable and larger by default. This feature request was [[:m:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Anti-harassment/Make the AbuseFilter edit window resizable and larger by default|voted #80 in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey]]. * There will be a new option for Administrators when they are unblocking a user, to add the unblocked user’s user page to their watchlist. This will work both via [[{{#special:Unblock}}]] and via the API. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T257662] '''Meetings''' * You can join the next meeting with the Wikipedia mobile apps teams. During the meeting, we will discuss the current features and future roadmap. The meeting will be on [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1679677204 24 March at 17:00 (UTC)]. See [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Office Hours|details and how to join]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/12|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W12"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 01:26, 21 March 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=24732558 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-13 {{User:Xeverything11/tags/updates}} == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:es:Diana Aguavil]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:en:Diana Aguavil]]) ([[:pt:Diana Aguavil]]) ''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Diana Aguavil.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Diana Alexandra Aguavil Calazacón''' (born 7 August 1983) is an Ecuadorian indigenous leader, since 25 August 2018, the first female governor of the Tsáchila nationality after 104 years of male administrations and winning the 2018 Tsáchila election. She was also the second woman to become a candidate. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:39, 27 March 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=24758626 --> == Tech News: 2023-13 {{User:Xeverything11/tags/updates}} == <section begin="technews-2023-W13"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/13|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * The [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:AbuseFilter|AbuseFilter]] condition limit was increased from 1000 to 2000. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T309609] * [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Global AbuseFilter#Locally disabled actions|Some Global AbuseFilter]] actions will no longer apply to local projects. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T332521] * Desktop users are now able to subscribe to talk pages by clicking on the {{int:discussiontools-newtopicssubscription-button-subscribe-label}} link in the {{int:toolbox}} menu. If you subscribe to a talk page, you receive [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Notifications|notifications]] when new topics are started on that talk page. This is separate from putting the page on your watchlist or subscribing to a single discussion. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T263821] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.2|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-03-28|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-03-29|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-03-30|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.40/Roadmap|calendar]]). '''Future changes''' * You will be able to choose [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/VisualEditor/Diffs|visual diffs]] on all [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Page history|history pages]] at the Wiktionaries and Wikipedias. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T314588] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The legacy [[mw:Mobile Content Service|Mobile Content Service]] is going away in July 2023. Developers are encouraged to switch to Parsoid or another API before then to ensure service continuity. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/4MVQQTONJT7FJAXNVOFV3WWVVMCHRINE/] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/13|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W13"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 01:14, 28 March 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=24780854 --> == Tech News: 2023-14 {{User:Xeverything11/tags/updates}} == <section begin="technews-2023-W14"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/14|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * The system for automatically creating categories for the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Babel|Babel]] extension has had several important changes and fixes. One of them allows you to insert templates for automatic category descriptions on creation, allowing you to categorize the new categories. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T211665][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T64714][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T170654][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184941][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T33074] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.3|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-04-04|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-04-05|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-04-06|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). * Some older [[w:en:Web browser|Web browsers]] will stop being able to use [[w:en:JavaScript|JavaScript]] on Wikimedia wikis from this week. This mainly affects users of Internet Explorer 11. If you have an old web browser on your computer you can try to upgrade to a newer version. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T178356] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The deprecated <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>jquery.hoverIntent</code></bdi> module has been removed. This module could be used by gadgets and user scripts, to create an artificial delay in how JavaScript responds to a hover event. Gadgets and user scripts should now use jQuery <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>hover()</code></bdi> or <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>on()</code></bdi> instead. Examples can be found in the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/ResourceLoader/Migration_guide_(users)#jquery.hoverIntent|migration guide]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T311194] * Some of the links in [[{{#special:SpecialPages}}]] will be re-arranged. There will be a clearer separation between links that relate to all users, and links related to your own user account. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T333242] * You will be able to hide the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Talk pages project/Replying|Reply button]] in archived discussion pages with a new <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>__ARCHIVEDTALK__</nowiki></code></bdi> magic word. There will also be a new <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>.mw-archivedtalk</code></bdi> CSS class for hiding the Reply button in individual sections on a page. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T249293][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T295553][https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/DiscussionTools/+/738221] '''Future changes''' * The Vega software that creates data visualizations in pages, such as graphs, will be upgraded to the newest version in the future. Graphs that still use the very old version 1.5 syntax may stop working properly. Most existing uses have been found and updated, but you can help to check, and to update any local documentation. [[phab:T260542|Examples of how to find and fix these graphs are available]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/14|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W14"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:40, 3 April 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=24820268 --> == Tech News: 2023-15 {{User:Xeverything11/tags/updates}} == <section begin="technews-2023-W15"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/15|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] In the visual editor, it is now possible to edit captions of images in galleries without opening the gallery dialog. This feature request was [[:m:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Editing/Editable gallery captions in Visual Editor|voted #61 in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T190224] * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] You can now receive notifications when another user edits your user page. See the "{{int:Echo-category-title-edit-user-page}}" option in [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo|your Preferences]]. This feature request was [[:m:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Anti-harassment/Notifications for user page edits|voted #3 in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T3876] '''Problems''' * There was a problem with all types of CentralNotice banners still being shown to logged-in users even if they had [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-centralnotice-banners|turned off]] specific banner types. This has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T331671] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.4|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-04-11|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-04-12|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-04-13|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). * Starting on Wednesday, a new set of Wikipedias will get "[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Add a link|Add a link]]" ({{int:project-localized-name-arywiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-dawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-dinwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-dsbwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-eewiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-elwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-emlwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-eowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-etwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-euwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-extwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-tumwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-ffwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-fiwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-fiu_vrowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-fjwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-fowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-frpwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-frrwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-furwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-gawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-gcrwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-gdwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-glwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-glkwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-gnwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-gomwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-gotwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-guwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-gvwiki/en}}). This is part of the [[phab:T304110|progressive deployment of this tool to more Wikipedias]]. The communities can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Community configuration|configure how this feature works locally]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T304551][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T308133] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/15|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W15"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 20:05, 10 April 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=24851886 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-16 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:it:Lucy Salani]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:en:Lucy Salani]]) ([[:fr:Lucy Salani]]) ''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Lucy Salani.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Lucy Salani''' was an Italian activist and is considered the only Italian transgender person to have survived the Nazi concentration camps. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 02:06, 17 April 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=24872966 --> == Tech News: 2023-16 == <section begin="technews-2023-W16"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/16|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * You can now see [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:Kartographer#Show_nearby_articles|nearby articles on a Kartographer map]] with the button for the new feature "{{int:Kartographer-sidebar-nearbybutton}}". Six wikis have been testing this feature since October. [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMDE_Technical_Wishes/Geoinformation/Nearby_articles#Implementation][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334079] * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] The [[m:Special:GlobalWatchlist|Special:GlobalWatchlist]] page now has links for "{{int:globalwatchlist-markpageseen}}" for each entry. This feature request was [[m:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Notifications, Watchlists and Talk Pages/Button to mark a single change as read in the global watch list|voted #161 in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334246] '''Problems''' * At Wikimedia Commons, some thumbnails have not been getting replaced correctly after a new version of the image is uploaded. This should be fixed later this week. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T331138][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T333042] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] For the last few weeks, some external tools had inconsistent problems with logging-in with OAuth. This has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T332650] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.5|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-04-18|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-04-19|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-04-20|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/16|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W16"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 01:55, 18 April 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=24881071 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-17 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:ca:María Fernanda Castro Maya]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:pt:María Fernanda Castro Maya]]) ([[:eu:María Fernanda Castro Maya]]) ''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''María Fernanda Castro Maya''' is a Mexican self-advocate disability rights activist. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:55, 24 April 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=24872966 --> == Tech News: 2023-17 == <section begin="technews-2023-W17"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/17|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] The date-selection menu on pages such as [[{{#special:Contributions}}]] will now show year-ranges that are in the current and past decade, instead of the current and future decade. This feature request was [[m:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Miscellaneous/Change year range shown in date selection popup|voted #145 in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334316] '''Problems''' * Due to security issues with the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Graph|Graph extension]], graphs have been disabled in all Wikimedia projects. Wikimedia Foundation teams are working to respond to these vulnerabilities. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334940] * For a few days, it was not possible to save some kinds of edits on the mobile version of a wiki. This has been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334797][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334799][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334794] '''Changes later this week''' * All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on April 26. This is planned for [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1682517653 14:00 UTC]. [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/Server_switch] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.6|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-04-25|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-04-26|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-04-27|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). '''Future changes''' * The Editing team plans an A/B test for [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Talk pages project/Usability|a usability analysis of the Talk page project]]. The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Talk pages project/Usability/Analysis|planned measurements are available]]. Your wiki [[phab:T332946|may be invited to participate]]. Please suggest improvements to the measurement plan at [[mw:Talk:Talk pages project/Usability|the discussion page]]. * [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2023-2024|The Wikimedia Foundation annual plan 2023-2024 draft is open for comment and input]] until May 19. The final plan will be published in July 2023 on Meta-wiki. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/17|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W17"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 22:04, 24 April 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=24933592 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-18 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Sonia Orbuch]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Sonia Shainwald Orbuch''' (born Sarah Shainwald, May 24, 1925 – September 30, 2018) was an American Holocaust educator. During the Second World War she was a Jewish resistance fighter in eastern Poland. Orbuch hid in the forests of Poland with her family during the Second World War. She joined a group of Soviet partisans, being renamed Sonia in case she was captured, and helped fight against the Germans. After the war, she returned home, where she met her future husband. After having a daughter in a refugee camp in Germany, the family eventually emigrated to the United States. She spent the rest of life in public engagement, speaking about her experiences and in 2009, published her autobiography, Here, There Are No Sarahs: A Woman's Courageous Fight Against the Nazis and Her Bittersweet Fulfillment of the American Dream. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 06:24, 1 May 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=24872966 --> == Tech News: 2023-18 == <section begin="technews-2023-W18"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/18|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] The content attribution tools [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Who Wrote That?|Who Wrote That?]], [[xtools:authorship|XTools Authorship]], and [[xtools:blame|XTools Blame]] now support the French and Italian Wikipedias. More languages will be added in the near future. This is part of the [[m:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Reading/Extend "Who Wrote That?" tool to more wikis|#7 wish in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T243711][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T270490][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334891] * The [[:commons:Special:MyLanguage/Commons:Video2commons|Video2commons]] tool has been updated. This fixed several bugs related to YouTube uploads. [https://github.com/toolforge/video2commons/pull/162/commits] * The [[{{#special:Preferences}}]] page has been redesigned on mobile web. The new design makes it easier to browse the different categories and settings at low screen widths. You can also now access the page via a link in the Settings menu in the mobile web sidebar. [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Moderator_Tools/Content_moderation_on_mobile_web/Preferences] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.7|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-05-02|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-05-03|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-05-04|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/18|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W18"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 01:45, 2 May 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=24966974 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-19 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Nadia Ghulam]]'''<br /><small>''([[:fr:Nadia Ghulam]]) ([[:es:Nadia Ghulam]]) ([[:ca:Nadia Ghulam]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Nadia Ghulam (cropped).jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Nadia Ghulam Dastgir''' is an Afghan woman who spent ten years posing as her dead brother to evade the Taliban's strictures against women. Her book about her experiences, written with Agnès Rotger and published in 2010, El secret del meu turbant (The Secret of My Turban), won the Prudenci Bertrana Prize for fiction. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:37, 8 May 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=24966177 --> == Tech News: 2023-19 == <section begin="technews-2023-W19"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/19|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] Last week, Community Tech released the first update for providing [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey 2022/Better diff handling of paragraph splits|better diffs]], the #1 request in the 2022 Community Wishlist Survey. [[phab:T324759|This update]] adds legends and tooltips to inline diffs so that users unfamiliar with the blue and yellow highlights can better understand the type of edits made. * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] When you close an image that is displayed via MediaViewer, it will now return to the wiki page instead of going back in your browser history. This feature request was [[m:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Reading/Return to the article when closing the MediaViewer|voted #65 in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T236591] * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:SyntaxHighlight|SyntaxHighlight]] extension now supports <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr"><code>wikitext</code></bdi> as a selected language. Old alternatives that were used to highlight wikitext, such as <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr"><code>html5</code></bdi>, <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr"><code>moin</code></bdi>, and <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr"><code>html+handlebars</code></bdi>, can now be replaced. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T29828] * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Creating pages with preloaded text|Preloading text to new pages/sections]] now supports preloading from localized MediaWiki interface messages. [https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Martin_Urbanec_(WMF)?action=edit&section=new&preload=MediaWiki:July Here is an example] at the {{int:project-localized-name-cswiki/en}} that uses <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>preload=MediaWiki:July</nowiki></code></bdi>. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T330337] '''Problems''' * Graph Extension update: Foundation developers have completed upgrading the visualization software to Vega5. Existing community graphs based on Vega2 are no longer compatible. Communities need to update local graphs and templates, and shared lua modules like <bdi lang="de" dir="ltr">[[:de:Modul:Graph]]</bdi>. The [https://vega.github.io/vega/docs/porting-guide/ Vega Porting guide] provides the most comprehensive detail on migration from Vega2 and [https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Graph:PageViews&action=history here is an example migration]. Vega5 has currently just been enabled on mediawiki.org to provide a test environment for communities. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334940#8813922] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.8|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-05-09|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-05-10|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-05-11|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] Until now, all new OAuth apps went through manual review. Starting this week, apps using identification-only or basic authorizations will not require review. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T67750] '''Future changes''' * During the next year, MediaWiki will stop using IP addresses to identify logged-out users, and will start automatically assigning unique temporary usernames. Read more at [[m:Special:MyLanguage/IP Editing: Privacy Enhancement and Abuse Mitigation/Updates|IP Editing: Privacy Enhancement and Abuse Mitigation/Updates]]. You can [[m:Talk:IP Editing: Privacy Enhancement and Abuse Mitigation#What should it look like?|join the discussion]] about the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/IP Editing: Privacy Enhancement and Abuse Mitigation/Updates#What will temporary usernames look like?|format of the temporary usernames]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T332805] * There will be an [[:w:en:A/B testing|A/B test]] on 10 Wikipedias where the Vector 2022 skin is the default skin. Half of logged-in desktop users will see an interface where the different parts of the page are more clearly separated. You can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Updates/2023-05 Zebra9 A/B test|read more]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T333180][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T335972] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] <code>jquery.tipsy</code> will be removed from the MediaWiki core. This will affect some user scripts. Many lines with <code>.tipsy(</code> can be commented out. <code>OO.ui.PopupWidget</code> can be used to keep things working like they are now. You can [[phab:T336019|read more]] and [[:mw:Help:Locating broken scripts|read about how to find broken scripts]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T336019] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/19|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W19"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:36, 9 May 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=24998636 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-20 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Purple Day]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Epilepsy Warrior Brooch May 2018 Purple Day.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Purple Day''' is a global grassroots event that was formed with the intention to increase worldwide awareness of epilepsy, and to dispel common myths and fears of this neurological disorder. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 02:17, 15 May 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25000361 --> == Tech News: 2023-20 == <section begin="technews-2023-W20"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/20|Translations]] are available. '''Problems''' * Citations that are automatically generated based on [[d:Q33057|ISBN]] are currently broken. This affects citations made with the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:VisualEditor/User_guide/Citations-Full#Automatic|VisualEditor Automatic tab]], and the use of the citoid API in gadgets and user scripts. Work is ongoing to restore this feature. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T336298] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.9|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-05-16|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-05-17|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-05-18|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). * Starting on Wednesday, a new set of Wikipedias will get "[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Add a link|Add a link]]" ({{int:project-localized-name-gorwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-hawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-hakwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-hawwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-hifwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-hrwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-hsbwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-htwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-iawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-iewiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-igwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-ilowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-inhwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-iowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-iswiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-iuwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-jamwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-jvwiki/en}}). This is part of the [[phab:T304110|progressive deployment of this tool to more Wikipedias]]. The communities can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Community configuration|configure how this feature works locally]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T308134] '''Future changes''' * There is a recently formed team at the Wikimedia Foundation which will be focusing on experimenting with new tools. Currently they are building [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2023-2024/Draft/Future_Audiences#FA2.2_Conversational_AI|a prototype ChatGPT plugin that allows information generated by ChatGPT to be properly attributed]] to the Wikimedia projects. * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] Gadget and userscript developers should replace <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>jquery.cookie</code></bdi> with <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>mediawiki.cookie</code></bdi>. The <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>jquery.cookie</code></bdi> library will be removed in ~1 month, and staff developers will run a script to replace any remaining uses at that time. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T336018] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/20|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W20"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 21:45, 15 May 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25011501 --> == Tech News: 2023-21 == <section begin="technews-2023-W21"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/21|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] The "recent edits" time period for page watchers is now 30 days. It used to be 180 days. This was a [[m:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Notifications, Watchlists and Talk Pages/Change information about the number of watchers on a page|Community Wishlist Survey proposal]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T336250] '''Changes later this week''' * An [[mw:special:MyLanguage/Growth/Positive reinforcement#Impact|improved impact module]] will be available at Wikipedias. The impact module is a feature available to newcomers [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Feature summary#Newcomer homepage|at their personal homepage]]. It will show their number of edits, how many readers their edited pages have, how many thanks they have received and similar things. It is also accessible by accessing Special:Impact. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T336203] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.10|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-05-23|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-05-24|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-05-25|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/21|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W21"/> 16:55, 22 May 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Trizek (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25028325 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-22 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Valencian Art Nouveau]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:es:Modernismo valenciano]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Santuario Novelda.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Valencian Art Nouveau''' (Spanish: modernismo valenciano, Valencian: modernisme valencià), is the historiographic denomination given to an art and literature movement associated with the Art Nouveau in the Valencian Community, in Spain. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:46, 29 May 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25074014 --> == Tech News: 2023-22 == <section begin="technews-2023-W22"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/22|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * Citations can once again be added automatically from ISBNs, thanks to Zotero's ISBN searches. The current data sources are the Library of Congress (United States), the Bibliothèque nationale de France (French National Library), and K10plus ISBN (German repository). Additional data source searches can be [[mw:Citoid/Creating Zotero translators|proposed to Zotero]]. The ISBN labels in the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:VisualEditor/User_guide/Citations-Full#Automatic|VisualEditor Automatic tab]] will reappear later this week. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T336298#8859917] * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] The page [[{{#special:EditWatchlist}}]] now has "{{int:watchlistedit-normal-check-all}}" options to select all the pages within a namespace. This feature request was [[m:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Notifications, Watchlists and Talk Pages/Watchlist edit - "check all" checkbox|voted #161 in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334252] '''Problems''' * For a few days earlier this month, the "Add interlanguage link" item in the Tools menu did not work properly. This has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T337081] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.11|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-05-30|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-05-31|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-06-01|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). * VisualEditor will be switched to a new backend on [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/source/mediawiki-config/browse/master/dblists/small.dblist small] and [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/source/mediawiki-config/browse/master/dblists/medium.dblist medium] wikis this week. Large wikis will follow in the coming weeks. This is part of the effort to move Parsoid into MediaWiki core. The change should have no noticeable effect on users, but if you experience any slow loading or other strangeness when using VisualEditor, please report it on the phabricator ticket linked here. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T320529] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/22|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W22"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 22:04, 29 May 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25079963 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-23 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:pt:Alessandra Korap]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:en:Alessandra Korap]]) ''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Alessandra Korap''' is an indigenous leader and Brazilian environmental activist from the Munduruku ethnic group. Her main work is defending the demarcation of indigenous territory and denouncing the illegal exploitation and activities of the mining and logging industries. Alessandra is internationally recognized for her work. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:33, 5 June 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25111481 --> == Tech News: 2023-23 == <section begin="technews-2023-W23"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/23|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * The [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:RealMe|RealMe]] extension allows you to mark URLs on your user page as verified for Mastodon and similar software. * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] Citation and footnote editing can now be started from the reference list when using the visual editor. This feature request was [[m:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Citations/Allow citations to be edited in the references section with VisualEditor|voted #2 in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54750] * Previously, clicking on someone else's link to Recent Changes with filters applied within the URL could unintentionally change your preference for "{{int:Rcfilters-group-results-by-page}}". This has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T202916#8874081] '''Problems''' * For a few days last week, some tools and bots returned outdated information due to database replication problems, and may have been down entirely while it was being fixed. These issues have now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T337446] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.12|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-06-06|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-06-07|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-06-08|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). * Bots will no longer be prevented from making edits because of URLs that match the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:SpamBlacklist|spam blacklist]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T313107] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/23|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W23"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 22:52, 5 June 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25114640 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-24 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Cassinga Day]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Cassinga Day''' is a national public holiday in Namibia remembering the Cassinga Massacre. Commemorated annually on 4 May, the date "remembers those (approximately 600) killed in 1978 when the South African Defence Force attacked a SWAPO base at Cassinga in southern Angola". <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:07, 12 June 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25111481 --> == Tech News: 2023-24 == <section begin="technews-2023-W24"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/24|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] The content attribution tools [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Who Wrote That?|Who Wrote That?]], [[xtools:authorship|XTools Authorship]], and [[xtools:blame|XTools Blame]] now support the Dutch, German, Hungarian, Indonesian, Japanese, Polish and Portuguese Wikipedias. This was the [[m:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Reading/Extend "Who Wrote That?" tool to more wikis|#7 wish in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334891] * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Structured Data Across Wikimedia/Search Improvements#Search Preview panel|Search Preview panel]] has been deployed on four Wikipedias (Catalan, Dutch, Hungarian and Norwegian). The panel will show an image related to the article (if existing), the top sections of the article, related images (coming from MediaSearch on Commons), and eventually the sister projects associated with the article. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T306341] * The [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:RealMe#Verifying_a_link_on_non-user_pages|RealMe]] extension now allows administrators to verify URLs for any page, for Mastodon and similar software. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T324937] * The default project license [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimediaannounce-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/7G6XPWZPQFLZ2JANN3ZX6RT4DVUI3HZQ/ has been officially upgraded] to CC BY-SA 4.0. The software interface messages have been updated. Communities should feel free to start updating any mentions of the old CC BY-SA 3.0 licensing within policies and related documentation pages. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T319064] '''Problems''' * For three days last month, some Wikipedia pages edited with VisualEditor or DiscussionTools had an unintended <code><nowiki>__TOC__</nowiki></code> (or its localized form) added during an edit. There is [[mw:Parsoid/Deployments/T336101_followup|a listing of affected pages sorted by wiki]], that may still need to be fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T336101] * Currently, the "{{int:Visualeditor-dialog-meta-categories-defaultsort-label}}" feature in VisualEditor is broken. Existing <code><nowiki>{{DEFAULTSORT:...}}</nowiki></code> keywords incorrectly appear as missing templates in VisualEditor. Developers are exploring how to fix this. In the meantime, those wishing to edit the default sortkey of a page are advised to switch to source editing. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T337398] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] Last week, an update to the delete form may have broken some gadgets or user scripts. If you need to manipulate (empty) the reason field, replace <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>#wpReason</code></bdi> with <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr" style="white-space: nowrap;"><code>#wpReason > input</code></bdi>. See [https://cs.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3AGadget-CleanDeleteReasons.js&diff=22859956&oldid=12794189 an example fix]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T337809] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.13|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-06-13|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-06-14|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-06-15|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). * VisualEditor will be switched to a new backend on English Wikipedia on Monday, and all other [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/source/mediawiki-config/browse/master/dblists/large.dblist large] wikis on Thursday. The change should have no noticeable effect on users, but if you experience any slow loading or other strangeness when using VisualEditor, please report it on the phabricator ticket linked here. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T320529] '''Future changes''' * From 5 June to 17 July, the Foundation's [[:mw:Wikimedia Security Team|Security team]] is holding a consultation with contributors regarding a draft policy to govern the use of third-party resources in volunteer-developed gadgets and scripts. Feedback and suggestions are warmly welcome at [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Third-party resources policy|Third-party resources policy]] on meta-wiki. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/24|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W24"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 14:52, 12 June 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Trizek (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25133779 --> == Tech News: 2023-25 == <section begin="technews-2023-W25"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/25|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] Flame graphs are now available in WikimediaDebug. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/JXNQD3EHG5V5QW5UXFDPSHQG4MJ3FWJQ/][https://techblog.wikimedia.org/2023/06/08/flame-graphs-arrive-in-wikimediadebug/] '''Changes later this week''' * There is no new MediaWiki version this week. * There is now a toolbar search popup in the visual editor. You can trigger it by typing <code>\</code> or pressing <code>ctrl + shift + p</code>. It can help you quickly access most tools in the editor. [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Visual_editor_toolbar_search_feature.png][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T66905] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/25|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W25"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 20:09, 19 June 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25159510 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-26 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Rawon]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Rawon Setan.jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Rawon''' (Javanese: ꦫꦮꦺꦴꦤ꧀) is an Indonesian beef soup. Originating from East Java, rawon utilizes the black keluak nut as the main seasoning, which gives a dark color and nutty flavor to the soup. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 02:18, 26 June 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25177056 --> == Tech News: 2023-26 == <section begin="technews-2023-W26"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/26|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The Action API modules and Special:LinkSearch will now add a trailing <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>/</code></bdi> to all <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>prop=extlinks</code></bdi> responses for bare domains. This is part of the work to remove duplication in the <code>externallinks</code> database table. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T337994] '''Problems''' * Last week, search was broken on Commons and Wikidata for 23 hours. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T339810][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incidents/2023-06-18_search_broken_on_wikidata_and_commons] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.15|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-06-27|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-06-28|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-06-29|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The Minerva skin now applies more predefined styles to the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>.mbox-text</code></bdi> CSS class. This enables support for mbox templates that use divs instead of tables. Please make sure that the new styles won't affect other templates in your wiki. [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/skins/MinervaNeue/+/930901/][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T339040] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] Gadgets will now load on both desktop and mobile by default. Previously, gadgets loaded only on desktop by default. Changing this default using the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>|targets=</code></bdi> parameter is also deprecated and should not be used. You should make gadgets work on mobile or disable them based on the skin (with the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>|skins=</code></bdi> parameter in <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition</bdi>) rather than whether the user uses the mobile or the desktop website. Popular gadgets that create errors on mobile will be disabled by developers on the Minerva skin as a temporary solution. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T127268] * All namespace tabs now have the same browser [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Keyboard_shortcuts|access key]] by default. Previously, custom and extension-defined namespaces would have to have their access keys set manually on-wiki, but that is no longer necessary. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T22126] * The review form of the Flagged Revisions extension now uses the standardized [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Codex|user interface components]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T191156] '''Future changes''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] How media is structured in the parser's HTML output will change in the coming weeks at [[:wikitech:Deployments/Train#Thursday|group2 wikis]]. This change improves the accessibility of content. You may need to update your site-CSS, or userscripts and gadgets. There are [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Parsoid/Parser_Unification/Media_structure/FAQ|details on what code to check, how to update the code, and where to report any related problems]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T314318] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/26|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W26"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 16:19, 26 June 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25202311 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-27 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Hook echo]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Tornadic classic supercell radar.gif|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> A '''hook echo''' is a pendant or hook-shaped weather radar signature as part of some supercell thunderstorms. It is found in the lower portions of a storm as air and precipitation flow into a mesocyclone, resulting in a curved feature of reflectivity. The echo is produced by rain, hail, or even debris being wrapped around the supercell <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:18, 3 July 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25241057 --> == Tech News: 2023-27 == <section begin="technews-2023-W27"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/27|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] As part of the rolling out of the [[m:Community Wishlist Survey 2022/Multimedia and Commons/Audio links that play on click|audio links that play on click]] wishlist proposal, [https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=dblists/small.dblist small wikis] will now be able to use the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:Phonos#Inline audio player mode|inline audio player]] that is implemented by the [[mw:Extension:Phonos|Phonos]] extension. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T336763] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] From this week all gadgets automatically load on mobile and desktop sites. If you see any problems with gadgets on your wikis, please adjust the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Gadgets#Options|gadget options]] in your gadget definitions file. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T328610] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.16|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-07-04|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-07-05|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-07-06|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/27|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W27"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 22:51, 3 July 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25231546 --> == Tech News: 2023-28 == <section begin="technews-2023-W28"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/28|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * The [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Structured Data Across Wikimedia/Section-level Image Suggestions|Section-level Image Suggestions feature]] has been deployed on seven Wikipedias (Portuguese, Russian, Indonesian, Catalan, Hungarian, Finnish and Norwegian Bokmål). The feature recommends images for articles on contributors' watchlists that are a good match for individual sections of those articles. * [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Global AbuseFilter|Global abuse filters]] have been enabled on all Wikimedia projects, except English and Japanese Wikipedias (who opted out). This change was made following a [[:m:Requests for comment/Make global abuse filters opt-out|global request for comments]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T341159] * [[{{#special:BlockedExternalDomains}}]] is a new tool for administrators to help fight spam. It provides a clearer interface for blocking plain domains (and their subdomains), is more easily searchable, and is faster for the software to process for each edit on the wiki. It does not support regex (for complex cases), nor URL path-matching, nor the [[MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist|MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist]], but otherwise it replaces most of the functionalities of the existing [[MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist|MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist]]. There is a Python script to help migrate all simple domains into this tool, and more feature details, within [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:BlockedExternalDomains|the tool's documentation]]. It is available at all wikis except for Meta-wiki, Commons, and Wikidata. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T337431] * The WikiEditor extension was updated. It includes some of the most frequently used features of wikitext editing. In the past, many of its messages could only be translated by administrators, but now all regular translators on translatewiki can translate them. Please check [https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:MessageGroupStats?group=ext-wikieditor&messages=&x=D#sortable:0=asc the state of WikiEditor localization into your language], and if the "Completion" for your language shows anything less than 100%, please complete the translation. See [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-ambassadors@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/D4YELU2DXMZ75PGELUOKXXMFF3FH45XA/ a more detailed explanation]. '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.17|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-07-11|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-07-12|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-07-13|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). * The default protocol of [[{{#special:LinkSearch}}]] and API counterparts has changed from http to both http and https. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T14810] * [[{{#special:LinkSearch}}]] and its API counterparts will now search for all of the URL provided in the query. It used to be only the first 60 characters. This feature was requested fifteen years ago. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T17218] '''Future changes''' * There is an experiment with a [[:w:en:ChatGPT|ChatGPT]] plugin. This is to show users where the information is coming from when they read information from Wikipedia. It has been tested by Wikimedia Foundation staff and other Wikimedians. Soon all ChatGPT plugin users can use the Wikipedia plugin. This is the same plugin which was mentioned in [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/20|Tech News 2023/20]]. [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2023-2024/Draft/Future_Audiences#FA2.2_Conversational_AI] * There is an ongoing discussion on a [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Third-party resources policy|proposed Third-party resources policy]]. The proposal will impact the use of third-party resources in gadgets and userscripts. Based on the ideas received so far, policy includes some of the risks related to user scripts and gadgets loading third-party resources, some best practices and exemption requirements such as code transparency and inspectability. Your feedback and suggestions are warmly welcome until July 17, 2023 on [[m:Talk:Third-party resources policy|on the policy talk page]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/28|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W28"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 19:54, 10 July 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25278797 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-29 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Esther Cooper Jackson]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:fr:Esther Cooper Jackson]]) ([[:simple:Esther Cooper Jackson]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Esther Cooper Jackson, 1968, Great Barrington.jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Esther Victoria Cooper Jackson''' was an American civil rights activist and social worker. She was one of the founding editors of the magazine Freedomways. She also was an organizational and executive secretary at the Southern Negro Youth Congress. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:14, 17 July 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25266525 --> == Tech News: 2023-29 == <section begin="technews-2023-W29"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/29|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] We are now serving 1% of all global user traffic from [[w:en:Kubernetes|Kubernetes]] (you can [[wikitech:MediaWiki On Kubernetes|read more technical details]]). We are planning to increment this percentage regularly. You can [[phab:T290536|follow the progress of this work]]. '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.18|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-07-18|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-07-19|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-07-20|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] MediaWiki [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:System_message|system messages]] will now look for available local fallbacks, instead of always using the default fallback defined by software. This means wikis no longer need to override each language on the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Language#Fallback_languages|fallback chain]] separately. For example, English Wikipedia doesn't have to create <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>en-ca</code></bdi> and <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>en-gb</code></bdi> subpages with a transclusion of the base pages anymore. This makes it easier to maintain local overrides. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T229992] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>action=growthsetmentorstatus</code></bdi> API will be deprecated with the new MediaWiki version. Bots or scripts calling that API should use the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>action=growthmanagementorlist</code></bdi> API now. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T321503] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/29|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W29"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:08, 17 July 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25289122 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-30 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Cut of pork]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:American Pork Cuts.svg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''cuts of pork''' are the different parts of the pig which are consumed as food by humans. The terminology and extent of each cut varies from country to country. There are between four and six primal cuts, which are the large parts in which the pig is first cut: the shoulder (blade and picnic), loin, belly (spare ribs and side) and leg <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:21, 24 July 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25318972 --> == Tech News: 2023-30 == <section begin="technews-2023-W30"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/30|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] On July 18, the Wikimedia Foundation launched a survey about the [[:mw:Technical_decision_making|technical decision making process]] for people who do technical work that relies on software that is maintained by the Foundation or affiliates. If this applies to you, [https://wikimediafoundation.limesurvey.net/885471 please take part in the survey]. The survey will be open for three weeks, until August 7. You can find more information in [[listarchive:list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/Q7DUCFA75DXG3G2KHTO7CEWMLCYTSDB2/|the announcement e-mail on wikitech-l]]. '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.19|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-07-25|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-07-26|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-07-27|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/30|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W30"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 02:20, 25 July 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25332248 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-31 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Gunhild Cross]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Gunhildkorset.jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Gunhild Cross''' (Danish: Gunhildkorset), named for its first owner, Gunhild, a daughter of Svend III of Denmark, is a mid-12th-century crucifix carved in walrus tusk and with both Latin and Runic inscriptions. It is now in the collection of the National Museum of Denmark. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 02:48, 31 July 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25380210 --> == Tech News: 2023-31 == <section begin="technews-2023-W31"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/31|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The [[mw:Synchronizer|Synchronizer]] tool is now available to keep Lua modules synced across Wikimedia wikis, along with [[mw:Multilingual Templates and Modules|updated documentation]] to develop global Lua modules and templates. * The tag filter on [[{{#special:NewPages}}]] and revision history pages can now be inverted. For example, you can hide edits that were made using an automated tool. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334337][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334338] * The Wikipedia [[:w:en:ChatGPT|ChatGPT]] plugin experiment can now be used by ChatGPT users who can use plugins. You can participate in a [[:m:Talk:Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2023-2024/Draft/Future Audiences#Announcing monthly Future Audiences open "office hours"|video call]] if you want to talk about this experiment or similar work. [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2023-2024/Draft/Future_Audiences#FA2.2_Conversational_AI] '''Problems''' * It was not possible to generate a PDF for pages with non-Latin characters in the title, for the last two weeks. This has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T342442] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.20|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-08-01|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-08-02|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-08-03|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). * Starting on Tuesday, a new set of Wikipedias will get "[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Add a link|Add a link]]" ({{int:project-localized-name-kawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-kaawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-kabwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-kbdwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-kbpwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-kiwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-kkwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-kmwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-knwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-kswiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-kshwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-kuwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-kwwiki/en}}). This is part of the [[phab:T304110|progressive deployment of this tool to more Wikipedias]]. The communities can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Community configuration|configure how this feature works locally]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T308135] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/31|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W31"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:54, 31 July 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25362228 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-32 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Polyura athamas]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Close wing mud-puddling position of Charaxes bharata (C.& R. Felder,1867) - Indian Nawab.jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''''Polyura athamas''''', the common nawab, is a species of fast-flying canopy butterfly found in tropical Asia. It belongs to the Charaxinae (rajahs and nawabs) in the brush-footed butterfly family (Nymphalidae). <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 03:14, 7 August 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25410866 --> == Tech News: 2023-32 == <section begin="technews-2023-W32"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/32|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * Mobile Web editors can now [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Advanced_mobile_contributions#August_1,_2023_-_Full-page_editing_added_on_mobile|edit a whole page at once]]. To use this feature, turn on "{{int:Mobile-frontend-mobile-option-amc}}" in your settings and use the "{{int:Minerva-page-actions-editfull}}" button in the "{{int:Minerva-page-actions-overflow}}" menu. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T203151] '''Changes later this week''' * There is no new MediaWiki version this week. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/32|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W32"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 21:21, 7 August 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25420038 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-33 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Women's page]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:"Doings in Pittsburg Society" The Pittsburg Press February 1, 1920.png|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''women's page''' (sometimes called home page or women's section) of a newspaper was a section devoted to covering news assumed to be of interest to women. Women's pages started out in the 19th century as society pages and eventually morphed into features sections in the 1970s. Although denigrated during much of that period, they had a significant impact on journalism and in their communities. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 02:51, 14 August 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25427472 --> == Tech News: 2023-33 == <section begin="technews-2023-W33"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/33|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * The Content translation system is no longer using Youdao's [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Content_translation/Translating/Initial_machine_translation|machine translation service]]. The service was in place for several years, but due to no usage, and availability of alternatives, it was deprecated to reduce maintenance overheads. Other services which cover the same languages are still available. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T329137] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.22|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-08-15|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-08-16|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-08-17|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). * Starting on Wednesday, a new set of Wikipedias will get "[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Add a link|Add a link]]" ({{int:project-localized-name-lawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-ladwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-lbwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-lbewiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-lezwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-lfnwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-lgwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-liwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-lijwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-lmowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-lnwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-ltgwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-lvwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-maiwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-map_bmswiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-mdfwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-mgwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-hywiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-kywiki/en}}). This is part of the [[phab:T304110|progressive deployment of this tool to more Wikipedias]]. The communities can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Community configuration|configure how this feature works locally]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T308136] <!-- TODO replace wiki codes --> '''Future changes''' * A few gadgets/user scripts which add icons to the Minerva skin need to have their CSS updated. There are more details available including a [[phab:T344067|search for all existing instances and how to update them]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/33|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W33"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 06:00, 15 August 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25428668 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-34 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Insect toxin]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:de:Insektengift]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:PDB 1lmr EBI.jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Insect toxins''' are various protein toxins produced by insect species. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:32, 21 August 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25427472 --> == Tech News: 2023-34 == <section begin="technews-2023-W34"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/34|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * The [https://gdrive-to-commons.toolforge.org/ GDrive to Commons Uploader] tool is now available. It enables [[m:Special:MyLanguage/GDrive to Commons Uploader|securely selecting and uploading files]] from your Google Drive directly to Wikimedia Commons. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T267868] * From now on, we will announce new Wikimedia wikis in Tech News, so you can update any tools or pages. ** Since the last edition, two new wikis have been created: *** a Wiktionary in [[d:Q7121294|Pa'O]] ([[wikt:blk:|<code>wikt:blk:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T343540] *** a Wikisource in [[d:Q34002|Sundanese]] ([[s:su:|<code>s:su:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T343539] ** To catch up, the next most recent six wikis are: *** Wikifunctions ([[f:|<code>f:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T275945] *** a Wiktionary in [[d:Q2891049|Mandailing]] ([[wikt:btm:|<code>wikt:btm:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T335216] *** a Wikipedia in [[d:Q5555465|Ghanaian Pidgin]] ([[w:gpe:|<code>w:gpe:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T335969] *** a Wikinews in [[d:Q3111668|Gungbe]] ([[n:guw:|<code>n:guw:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334394] *** a Wiktionary in [[d:Q33522|Kabardian]] ([[wikt:kbd:|<code>wikt:kbd:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T333266] *** a Wikipedia in [[d:Q35570|Fante]] ([[w:fat:|<code>w:fat:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T335016] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.23|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-08-22|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-08-23|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-08-24|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). '''Future changes''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] There is an existing [[mw:Stable interface policy|stable interface policy]] for MediaWiki backend code. There is a [[mw:User:Jdlrobson/Stable interface policy/frontend|proposed stable interface policy for frontend code]]. This is relevant for anyone who works on gadgets or Wikimedia frontend code. You can read it, discuss it, and let the proposer know if there are any problems. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T344079] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/34|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W34"/> 15:25, 21 August 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Trizek (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25497111 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-35 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Manchester Blitz]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Air Raid Damage in Britain- Manchester HU49833.jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Manchester Blitz''' (also known as the Christmas Blitz) was the heavy bombing of the city of Manchester and its surrounding areas in North West England during the Second World War by the German Luftwaffe. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 02:16, 28 August 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25427472 --> == Tech News: 2023-35 == <section begin="technews-2023-W35"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/35|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] As part of the changes for the [[m:Community Wishlist Survey 2022/Better diff handling of paragraph splits|better diff handling of paragraph splits]], improved detection of splits is being rolled out. Over the last two weeks, we deployed this support to [[wikitech:Deployments/Train#Groups|group0]] and group1 wikis. This week it will be deployed to group2 wikis. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T341754] * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] All [[{{#special:Contributions}}]] pages now show the user's local edit count and the account's creation date. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T324166] * Wikisource users can now use the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>prpbengalicurrency</code></bdi> label to denote Bengali currency characters as page numbers inside the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki><pagelist></nowiki></code></bdi> tag. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T268932] * Two preferences have been relocated. The preference "{{int:visualeditor-preference-visualeditor}}" is now shown on the [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing|"{{int:prefs-editing}}" tab]] at all wikis. Previously it was shown on the "{{int:prefs-betafeatures}}" tab at some wikis. The preference "{{int:visualeditor-preference-newwikitexteditor-enable}}" is now also shown on the "{{int:prefs-editing}}" tab at all wikis, instead of the "{{int:prefs-betafeatures}}" tab. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T335056][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T344158] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.24|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-08-29|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-08-30|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-08-31|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] New signups for a Wikimedia developer account will start being pushed towards <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[https://idm.wikimedia.org/ idm.wikimedia.org]</bdi>, rather than going via Wikitech. [[wikitech:IDM|Further information about the new system is available]]. * All right-to-left language wikis, plus Korean, Armenian, Ukrainian, Russian, and Bulgarian Wikipedias, will have a link in the sidebar that provides a short URL of that page, using the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia URL Shortener|Wikimedia URL Shortener]]. This feature will come to more wikis in future weeks. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T267921] '''Future changes''' * The removal of the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:DoubleWiki|DoubleWiki extension]] is being discussed. This extension currently allows Wikisource users to view articles from multiple language versions side by side when the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><=></code></bdi> symbol next to a specific language edition is selected. Comments on this are welcomed at [[phab:T344544|the phabricator task]]. * A proposal has been made to merge the second hidden-categories list (which appears below the wikitext editing form) with the main list of categories (which is further down the page). [[phab:T340606|More information is available on Phabricator]]; feedback is welcome! '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/35|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W35"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 14:00, 28 August 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Trizek (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25510866 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-36 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Ghana Independence Act 1957]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Ghana Independence Act 1957''' is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom that granted the Gold Coast fully responsible government within the British Commonwealth of Nations under the name of Ghana <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:18, 4 September 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25427472 --> == Tech News: 2023-36 == <section begin="technews-2023-W36"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/36|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[m:Wikisource_EditInSequence|EditInSequence]], a feature that allows users to edit pages faster on Wikisource has been moved to a Beta Feature based on community feedback. To enable it, you can navigate to the [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures|beta features tab in Preferences]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T308098] * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] As part of the changes for the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey 2022/Generate Audio for IPA|Generate Audio for IPA]] and [[m:Community Wishlist Survey 2022/Multimedia and Commons/Audio links that play on click|Audio links that play on click]] wishlist proposals, the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:Phonos#Inline_audio_player_mode|inline audio player mode]] of [[mw:Extension:Phonos|Phonos]] has been deployed to all projects. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T336763] * There is a new option for Administrators when they are changing the usergroups for a user, to add the user’s user page to their watchlist. This works both via [[{{#special:UserRights}}]] and via the API. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T272294] * One new wiki has been created: ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia}} in [[d:Q34318|Talysh]] ([[w:tly:|<code>w:tly:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T345166] '''Problems''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:LoginNotify|LoginNotify extension]] was not sending notifications since January. It has now been fixed, so going forward, you may see notifications for failed login attempts, and successful login attempts from a new device. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T344785] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.25|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-09-05|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-09-06|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-09-07|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). * Starting on Wednesday, a new set of Wikipedias will get "[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Add a link|Add a link]]" ({{int:project-localized-name-mhrwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-miwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-minwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-mkwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-mlwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-mnwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-mrwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-mrjwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-mswiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-mtwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-mwlwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-myvwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-mznwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-nahwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-napwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-ndswiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-nds_nlwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-newiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-newwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-nnwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-novwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-nqowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-nrmwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-nsowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-nvwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-nywiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-ocwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-olowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-omwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-orwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-oswiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-pawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-pagwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-pamwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-papwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-pcdwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-pdcwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-pflwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-pihwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-pmswiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-pnbwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-pntwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-pswiki/en}}). This is part of the [[phab:T304110|progressive deployment of this tool to more Wikipedias]]. The communities can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Community configuration|configure how this feature works locally]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T308137][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T308138] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/36|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W36"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:34, 4 September 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25566983 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-37 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Betrayal trauma]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:sv:Svektrauma]]) ([[:ar:صدمة الخيانة]]) ([[:ko:배신 트라우마]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Betrayal trauma''' is defined as a trauma perpetrated by someone with whom the victim is close to and reliant upon for support and survival. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:49, 11 September 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25427472 --> == Tech News: 2023-37 == <section begin="technews-2023-W37"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/37|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/ORES|ORES]], the revision evaluation service, is now using a new open-source infrastructure on all wikis except for English Wikipedia and Wikidata. These two will follow this week. If you notice any unusual results from the Recent Changes filters that are related to ORES (for example, "{{int:ores-rcfilters-damaging-title}}" and "{{int:ores-rcfilters-goodfaith-title}}"), please [[mw:Talk:Machine Learning|report them]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T342115] * When you are logged in on one Wikimedia wiki and visit a different Wikimedia wiki, the system tries to log you in there automatically. This has been unreliable for a long time. You can now visit the login page to make the system try extra hard. If you feel that made logging in better or worse than it used to be, your feedback is appreciated. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T326281] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.26|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-09-12|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-09-13|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-09-14|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Technical decision making|Technical Decision-Making Forum Retrospective]] team invites anyone involved in the technical field of Wikimedia projects to signup to and join [[mw:Technical decision making/Listening Sessions|one of their listening sessions]] on 13 September. Another date will be scheduled later. The goal is to improve the technical decision-making processes. * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] As part of the changes for the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey 2022/Better diff handling of paragraph splits|Better diff handling of paragraph splits]] wishlist proposal, the inline switch widget in diff pages is being rolled out this week to all wikis. The inline switch will allow viewers to toggle between a unified inline or two-column diff wikitext format. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T336716] '''Future changes''' * All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on 20 September. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/Server switch|This is planned at 14:00 UTC.]] More information will be published in Tech News and will also be posted on individual wikis in the coming weeks. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T345263] * The Enterprise API is launching a new feature called "[http://breakingnews-beta.enterprise.wikimedia.com/ breaking news]". Currently in BETA, this attempts to identify likely "newsworthy" topics as they are currently being written about in any Wikipedia. Your help is requested to improve the accuracy of its detection model, especially on smaller language editions, by recommending templates or identifiable editing patterns. See more information at [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Enterprise/Breaking news|the documentation page]] on MediaWiki or [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Enterprise/FAQ#What is Breaking News|the FAQ]] on Meta. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/37|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W37"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 21:08, 11 September 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25589064 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-38 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:es:Genocidio del Putumayo]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:en:Putumayo genocide]]) ([[:ca:Genocidi del Putumayo]])''</small></div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:The Putumayo - the devil's paradise, travels in the Peruvian Amazon Region and an account of the atrocities committed upon the Indians therein (1913) (14782203995).jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Putumayo genocide''' is the term which is used in reference to the enslavement, massacres and ethnocide of the indigenous population of the Amazon at the hands of the Peruvian Amazon Company, specifically in the area between the Putumayo River and the Caquetá River during the Amazon rubber boom period from 1879 to 1912. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 03:38, 18 September 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25599361 --> == Tech News: 2023-38 == <section begin="technews-2023-W38"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/38|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] MediaWiki now has a [[mw:Stable interface policy/frontend|stable interface policy for frontend code]] that more clearly defines how we deprecate MediaWiki code and wiki-based code (e.g. gadgets and user scripts). Thank you to everyone who contributed to the content and discussions. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T346467][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T344079] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.27|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-09-19|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-09-20|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-09-21|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). * All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on September 20. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/Server switch|This is planned at 14:00 UTC.]] [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T345263] * All wikis will have a link in the sidebar that provides a short URL of that page, using the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia URL Shortener|Wikimedia URL Shortener]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T267921] '''Future changes''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The team investigating the Graph Extension posted [[mw:Extension:Graph/Plans#Proposal|a proposal for reenabling it]] and they need your input. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/38|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W38"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 19:20, 18 September 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25623533 --> == Tech News: 2023-39 == <section begin="technews-2023-W39"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/39|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * The Vector 2022 skin will now remember the pinned/unpinned status for the Table of Contents for all logged-out users. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T316060] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.28|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-09-26|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-09-27|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-09-28|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The ResourceLoader <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>mediawiki.ui</nowiki></code></bdi> modules are now deprecated as part of the move to Vue.js and Codex. There is a [[mw:Codex/Migrating_from_MediaWiki_UI|guide for migrating from MediaWiki UI to Codex]] for any tools that use it. More [[phab:T346468|details are available in the task]] and your questions are welcome there. * Gadget definitions will have a [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Gadgets#Options|new "namespaces" option]]. The option takes a list of namespace IDs. Gadgets that use this option will only load on pages in the given namespaces. '''Future changes''' * New variables will be added to [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:AbuseFilter|AbuseFilter]]: <code><bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr">global_account_groups</bdi></code> and <code><bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr">global_account_editcount</bdi></code>. They are available only when an account is being created. You can use them to prevent blocking automatic creation of accounts when users with many edits elsewhere visit your wiki for the first time. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T345632][https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Extension:AbuseFilter/Rules_format] '''Meetings''' * You can join the next meeting with the Wikipedia mobile apps teams. During the meeting, we will discuss the current features and future roadmap. The meeting will be on [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1698426015 27 October at 17:00 (UTC)]. See [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Apps/Office_Hours#October_2023|details and how to join]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/39|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W39"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 16:51, 26 September 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25655264 --> == Tech News: 2023-40 == <section begin="technews-2023-W40"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/40|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * There is a new [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering-advancedrendering|user preference]] for "{{int:tog-forcesafemode}}". This setting will make pages load without including any on-wiki JavaScript or on-wiki stylesheet pages. It can be useful for debugging broken JavaScript gadgets. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T342347] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] Gadget definitions now have a [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Gadgets#Options|new "<var>contentModels</var>" option]]. The option takes a list of page content models, like <code><bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr">wikitext</bdi></code> or <code><bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr">css</bdi></code>. Gadgets that use this option will only load on pages with the given content models. '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.29|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-10-03|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-10-04|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-10-05|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). '''Future changes''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The Vector 2022 skin will no longer use the custom styles and scripts of Vector legacy (2010). The change will be made later this year or in early 2024. See [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Loading Vector 2010 scripts|how to adjust the CSS and JS pages on your wiki]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T331679] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/40|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W40"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 01:27, 3 October 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25686930 --> == Tech News: 2023-41 == <section begin="technews-2023-W41"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/41|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * One new wiki has been created: a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia}} in [[d:Q33291|Fon]] ([[w:fon:|<code>w:fon:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T347935] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.30|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-10-10|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-10-11|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-10-12|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). * Starting on Wednesday, a new set of Wikipedias will get "[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Add a link|Add a link]]" ({{int:project-localized-name-swwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-wawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-warwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-wowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-xalwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-xhwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-xmfwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-yiwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-yowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-zawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-zeawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-zh_min_nanwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-zuwiki/en}}). This is part of the [[phab:T304110|progressive deployment of this tool to more Wikipedias]]. The communities can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Community configuration|configure how this feature works locally]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T308139] * At some wikis, newcomers are suggested images from Commons to add to articles without any images. Starting on Tuesday, newcomers at these wikis will be able to add images to unillustrated article sections. The specific wikis are listed under "Images recommendations" [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Deployment table|at the Growth team deployment table]]. You can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Add an image|learn more about this feature.]] [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T345940] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] In the mobile web skin (Minerva) the CSS ID <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>#page-actions</nowiki></code></bdi> will be replaced with <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>#p-views</nowiki></code></bdi>. This change is to make it consistent with other skins and to improve support for gadgets and extensions in the mobile skin. A few gadgets may need to be updated; there are [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T348267 details and search-links in the task]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/41|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W41"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 14:39, 9 October 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Trizek (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25712895 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-42 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Athyma nefte]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:VB 019 Color Sergeant UP.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''''Athyma nefte''''', the colour sergeant, is a species of brush-footed butterfly found in tropical South and Southeast Asia. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:58, 16 October 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25693965 --> == Tech News: 2023-42 == <section begin="technews-2023-W42"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/42|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Unified login|Unified login]] system's edge login should now be fixed for some browsers (Chrome, Edge, Opera). This means that if you visit a new sister project wiki, you should be logged in automatically without the need to click "Log in" or reload the page. Feedback on whether it's working for you is welcome. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T347889] * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Interface/Edit_notice|Edit notices]] are now available within the MobileFrontend/Minerva skin. This feature was inspired by [[w:en:Wikipedia:EditNoticesOnMobile|the gadget on English Wikipedia]]. See more details in [[phab:T316178|T316178]]. '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.1|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-10-17|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-10-18|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-10-19|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). '''Future changes''' * In 3 weeks, in the Vector 2022 skin, code related to <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>addPortletLink</nowiki></code></bdi> and <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>#p-namespaces</nowiki></code></bdi> that was deprecated one year ago will be removed. If you notice tools that should appear next to the "Discussion" tab are then missing, please tell the gadget's maintainers to see [[phab:T347907|instructions in the Phabricator task]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/42|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W42"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:47, 16 October 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25745824 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-43 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Typhoon Rusa]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Rusa 2002-08-27 0350Z.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Typhoon Rusa''' was the most powerful typhoon to strike South Korea in 43 years. It was the 21st JTWC tropical depression, the 15th named storm, and the 10th typhoon of the 2002 Pacific typhoon season. It developed on August 22 from the monsoon trough in the northwestern Pacific Ocean, well to the southeast of Japan. For several days, Rusa moved to the northwest, eventually intensifying into a powerful typhoon. On August 26, the storm moved across the Amami Islands of Japan, where Rusa left 20,000 people without power and caused two fatalities. Across Japan, the typhoon dropped torrential rainfall peaking at 902 mm (35.5 in) in Tokushima Prefecture. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:50, 23 October 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25693965 --> == Tech News: 2023-43 == <section begin="technews-2023-W43"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/43|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * There is a new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Language engineering/Newsletter/2023/October|Language and internationalization newsletter]], written quarterly. It contains updates on new feature development, improvements in various language-related technical projects, and related support work. * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] Source map support has been enabled on all wikis. When you open the debugger in your browser's developer tools, you should be able to see the unminified JavaScript source code. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T47514] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.2|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-10-24|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-10-25|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-10-26|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/43|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W43"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:17, 23 October 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25782286 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-44 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Hein Eersel]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:nl:Hein Eersel]]) ([[:it:Hein Eersel]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:HeinEersel.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Christiaan Hendrik "Hein" Eersel''' was a Surinamese linguist and cultural researcher. He served as Minister of Education and Population Development in the cabinet of acting Prime Minister Arthur Johan May. He was also the first chancellor of the University of Suriname. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 02:09, 30 October 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25797248 --> == Tech News: 2023-44 == <section begin="technews-2023-W44"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/44|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * The Structured Content team, as part of its project of [[:commons:Commons:WMF support for Commons/Upload Wizard Improvements|improving UploadWizard on Commons]], made some UX improvements to the upload step of choosing own vs not own work ([[phab:T347590|T347590]]), as well as to the licensing step for own work ([[phab:T347756|T347756]]). * The Design Systems team has released version 1.0.0 of [[wmdoc:codex/latest/|Codex]], the new design system for Wikimedia. See the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Design_Systems_Team/Announcing_Codex_1.0|full announcement about the release of Codex 1.0.0]]. '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.3|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-10-31|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-11-01|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-11-02|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). * Listings on category pages are sorted on each wiki for that language using a [[:w:en:International Components for Unicode|library]]. For a brief period on 2 November, changes to categories will not be sorted correctly for many languages. This is because the developers are upgrading to a new version of the library. They will then use a script to fix the existing categories. This will take a few hours or a few days depending on how big the wiki is. You can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Technical Operations/ICU announcement|read more]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T345561][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T267145] * Starting November 1, the impact module (Special:Impact) will be upgraded by the Growth team. The new impact module shows newcomers more data regarding their impact on the wiki. It was tested by a few wikis during the last few months. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T336203] '''Future changes''' * There is [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Graph/Plans#Roadmap|a proposed plan]] for re-enabling the Graph Extension. You can help by reviewing this proposal and [[mw:Extension_talk:Graph/Plans#c-PPelberg_(WMF)-20231020221600-Update:_20_October|sharing what you think about it]]. * The WMF is working on making it possible for administrators to [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Community_configuration_2.0|edit MediaWiki configuration directly]]. This is similar to previous work on Special:EditGrowthConfig. [[phab:T349757|A technical RfC is running until November 08, where you can provide feedback.]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/44|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W44"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:21, 30 October 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25801989 --> == Tech News: 2023-45 == <section begin="technews-2023-W45"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/45|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * In the Vector 2022 skin, the default font-size of a number of navigational elements (tagline, tools menu, navigational links, and more) has been increased slightly to match the font size used in page content. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T346062] '''Problems''' * Last week, there was a problem displaying some recent edits on [https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=dblists/s5.dblist a few wikis], for 1-6 hours. The edits were saved but not immediately shown. This was due to a database problem. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T350443] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.4|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-11-07|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-11-08|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-11-09|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). * The Growth team will reassign newcomers from former mentors to [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Structured mentor list|the currently active mentors]]. They have also changed the notification language to be more user-friendly. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T330071][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T327493] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/45|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W45"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 21:06, 6 November 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25838105 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-45 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Reclaim the Night]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:de:Reclaim the Night]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Reclaim the Night 2014.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Reclaim the Night''' is a movement started in Leeds in 1977 as part of the Women's Liberation Movement. Marches demanding that women be able to move throughout public spaces at night took place across England until the 1990s. Later, the organisation was revived and sponsors annual and national marches against rape and violence against women. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 00:40, 8 November 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25797248 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-46 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Ishe Komborera Africa]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Ishe Komborera Africa.mp3|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> "'''Ishe Komborera Africa'''" (Shona for: God Bless Africa), also called "Ishe Komborera Zimbabwe" (Shona for: God Bless Zimbabwe), was the Zimbabwean national anthem from 1980 to 1994. It was the country's first national anthem after gaining independence in 1980. It is a translation of 19th-century South African schoolteacher Enoch Sontonga's popular African hymn "Nkosi Sikelel' iAfrika" into Zimbabwe's native Shona and Ndebele languages. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 00:38, 13 November 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25797248 --> == Tech News: 2023-46 == <section begin="technews-2023-W46"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/46|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * Four new wikis have been created: ** a Wikipedia in [[d:Q7598268|Moroccan Amazigh]] ([[w:zgh:|<code>w:zgh:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T350216] ** a Wikipedia in [[d:Q35159|Dagaare]] ([[w:dga:|<code>w:dga:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T350218] ** a Wikipedia in [[d:Q33017|Toba Batak]] ([[w:bbc:|<code>w:bbc:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T350320] ** a Wikiquote in [[d:Q33151|Banjar]] ([[q:bjn:|<code>q:bjn:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T350217] '''Problems''' * Last week, users who previously visited Meta-Wiki or Wikimedia Commons and then became logged out on those wikis could not log in again. The problem is now resolved. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T350695] * Last week, some pop-up dialogs and menus were shown with the wrong font size. The problem is now resolved. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T350544] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.5|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-11-14|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-11-15|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-11-16|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). '''Future changes''' * Reference Previews are coming to many wikis as a default feature. They are popups for references, similar to the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Page Previews|PagePreviews feature]]. [[m:WMDE Technical Wishes/ReferencePreviews#Opt-out feature|You can opt out]] of seeing them. If you are [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets|using the gadgets]] Reference Tooltips or Navigation Popups, you won’t see Reference Previews. [[phab:T282999|Deployment]] is planned for November 22, 2023. * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] Canary (also known as heartbeat) events will be produced into [https://stream.wikimedia.org/?doc#/streams Wikimedia event streams] from December 11. Streams users are advised to filter out these events, by discarding all events where <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>meta.domain == "canary"</nowiki></code></bdi>. Updates to [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Pywikibot|Pywikibot]] or [https://github.com/ChlodAlejandro/wikimedia-streams wikimedia-streams] will discard these events by default. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T266798] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/46|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W46"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:52, 13 November 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25859263 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-47 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Bhagavata Mela]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Bhagavata Mela''' is a classical Indian dance that is performed in Tamil Nadu, particularly the Thanjavur area. It is choreographed as an annual Vaishnavism tradition in Melattur and nearby regions, and celebrated as a dance-drama performance art. The dance art has roots in a historic migration of practitioners of Kuchipudi, another Indian classical dance art, from Andhra Pradesh to the kingdom of Tanjavur. The term Bhagavata, state Brandon and Banham, refers to the Hindu text Bhagavata Purana. Mela is a Sanskrit word that means "gathering, meeting of a group" and connotes a folk festival. The traditional Bhagavata Mela performance acts out the legends of Hinduism, set to the Carnatic style music. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 00:38, 04:07, 20 November 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25797248 --> == Tech News: 2023-47 == <section begin="technews-2023-W47"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/47|Translations]] are available. '''Changes later this week''' * There is no new MediaWiki version this week. [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * Starting on Wednesday, a new set of Wikipedias will get "[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Add a link|Add a link]]" ({{int:project-localized-name-quwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-rmwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-rmywiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-rnwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-roa_rupwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-roa_tarawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-ruewiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-rwwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-sawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-sahwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-satwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-scwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-scnwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-scowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-sdwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-sewiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-sgwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-shwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-siwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-skwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-slwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-smwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-sowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-sqwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-srwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-srnwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-sswiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-stwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-stqwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-suwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-szlwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-tawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-tcywiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-tewiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-tetwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-tgwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-thwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-tkwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-tlwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-tnwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-towiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-tpiwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-trwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-tswiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-ttwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-twwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-tywiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-tyvwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-udmwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-ugwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-uzwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-vewiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-vecwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-vepwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-vlswiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-vowiki/en}}). This is part of the [[phab:T304110|progressive deployment of this tool to more Wikipedias]]. The communities can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Community configuration|configure how this feature works locally]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T308141][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T308142][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T308143] * The Vector 2022 skin will have some minor visual changes to drop-down menus, column widths, and more. These changes were added to four Wikipedias last week. If no issues are found, these changes will proceed to all wikis this week. These changes will make it possible to add new menus for readability and dark mode. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Updates#November_2023:_Visual_changes,_more_deployments,_and_shifting_focus|Learn more]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T347711] '''Future changes''' * There is [[mw:Extension talk:Graph/Plans#Update: 15 November|an update on re-enabling the Graph Extension]]. To speed up the process, Vega 2 will not be supported and only [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T335325 some protocols] will be available at launch. You can help by sharing what you think about the plan. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/47|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W47"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:55, 21 November 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25884616 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-48 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:fr:Zanskari]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:en:Zaniskari]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Zaniskari Horse in Ladakh, India.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Zaniskari''' or '''Zanskari''' is a breed of small mountain horse or pony from Ladakh, in northern India. It is named for the Zanskar valley or region in Kargil district. It is similar to the Spiti breed of Himachal Pradesh, but is better adapted to work at high altitude. Like the Spiti, it shows similarities to the Tibetan breeds of neighbouring Tibet. It is of medium size, and is often grey in colour. The breed is considered endangered, as there are only a few hundred alive today, and a conservation programme has been started at Padum, Zanskar, in the Kargil district of Ladakh. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:44, 27 November 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25797248 --> == Tech News: 2023-48 == <section begin="technews-2023-W48"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/48|Translations]] are available. '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.7|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-11-28|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-11-29|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-11-30|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). There is no new MediaWiki version next week. [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] MediaWiki's JavaScript system will now allow <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>async</code>/<code>await</code></bdi> syntax in gadgets and user scripts. Gadget authors should remember that users' browsers may not support it, so it should be used appropriately. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T343499] * The deployment of "[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Add_a_link|Add a link]]" announced [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/47|last week]] was postponed. It will resume this week. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/48|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W48"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:09, 27 November 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25906379 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-49 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Sheikh Hussein]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:fr:Sheikh Hussein]]) ([[:it:Scec Hussèn]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Sheikh Hussein.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Sheikh Hussein''' is a town in south-eastern Ethiopia. The site has been recorded in the tentative list for UNESCO World Heritage List since 2011 as a religious, cultural and historical site. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:34, 4 December 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25921616 --> == Tech News: 2023-49 == <section begin="technews-2023-W49"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/49|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * The spacing between paragraphs on Vector 2022 has been changed from 7px to 14px to match the size of the text. This will make it easier to distinguish paragraphs from sentences. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T351754] * The "{{int:Visualeditor-dialog-meta-categories-defaultsort-label}}" feature in VisualEditor is working again. You no longer need to switch to source editing to edit <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>{{DEFAULTSORT:...}}</nowiki></code></bdi> keywords. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T337398] '''Changes later this week''' * There is no new MediaWiki version this week. [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * On 6 December, people who have the enabled the preference for "{{int:Discussiontools-preference-visualenhancements}}" will notice the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Talk pages project/Usability|talk page usability improvements]] appear on pages that include the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>__NEWSECTIONLINK__</nowiki></code></bdi> magic word. If you notice any issues, please [[phab:T352232|share them with the team on Phabricator]]. '''Future changes''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The Toolforge [[wikitech:News/Toolforge Grid Engine deprecation|Grid Engine shutdown process]] will start on December 14. Maintainers of [[toolforge:grid-deprecation|tools that still use this old system]] should plan to migrate to Kubernetes, or tell the team your plans on Phabricator in the task about your tool, before that date. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/VIWWQKMSQO2ED3TVUR7KPPWRTOBYBVOA/] * Communities using [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Structured_Discussions|Structured Discussions]] are being contacted regarding [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Structured_Discussions/Deprecation|the upcoming deprecation of Structured Discussions]]. You can read more about this project, and share your comments, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Structured_Discussions/Deprecation|on the project's page]]. '''Events''' * Registration & Scholarship applications are now open for the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Hackathon 2024|Wikimedia Hackathon 2024]] that will take place from 3–5 May in Tallinn, Estonia. Scholarship applications are open until 5 January 2024. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/49|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W49"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:50, 4 December 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25914435 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-50 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:fr:Applaudissements aux fenêtres pendant la pandémie de Covid-19]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:es:Aplauso por los trabajadores de la salud]]) ([[:gl:Aplauso ao persoal sanitario]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Koronabirus konfinamendua Lasarten 2020-03-29.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> During the COVID-19 pandemic, applauding daily at a scheduled hour was a gesture of acclamation, recognition and gratitude towards health professionals in tribute to their work at the time. This habit emerged in January 2020 in Wuhan, where the pandemic originated, and then spread to several cities around the world during the quarantines and sanitary cordons ordered as preventive measures, Italy being the first one. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 02:26, 11 December 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25925561 --> == Tech News: 2023-50 == <section begin="technews-2023-W50"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/50|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * On Wikimedia Commons, there are some minor user-interface improvements for the "choosing own vs not own work" step in the UploadWizard. This is part of the Structured Content team's project of [[:commons:Commons:WMF support for Commons/Upload Wizard Improvements|improving UploadWizard on Commons]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T352707][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T352709] '''Problems''' * There was a problem showing the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Personalized first day/Newcomer homepage|Newcomer homepage]] feature with the "impact module" and their page-view graphs, for a few days in early December. This has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T352352][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T352349] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.9|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-12-12|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-12-13|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-12-14|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] '''Future changes''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=]] The [https://wikimediafoundation.limesurvey.net/796964 2023 Developer Satisfaction Survey] is seeking the opinions of the Wikimedia developer community. Please take the survey if you have any role in developing software for the Wikimedia ecosystem. The survey is open until 5 January 2024, and has an associated [[foundation:Legal:December_2023_Developer_Satisfaction_Survey|privacy statement]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/50|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W50"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 02:13, 12 December 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25945501 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-51 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Aerial view of Subway Island, July 2019.JPG|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge''' is a wildlife refuge in New York City managed by the National Park Service as part of Gateway National Recreation Area. It is composed of the open water and intertidal salt marshes of Jamaica Bay. It lies entirely within the boundaries of New York City, divided between the boroughs of Brooklyn to the west and Queens to the east. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 02:05, 18 December 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25951007 --> == Tech News: 2023-51 == <section begin="technews-2023-W51"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/51|Translations]] are available. '''Tech News''' * The next issue of Tech News will be sent out on 8 January 2024 because of [[w:en:Christmas and holiday season|the holidays]]. '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.10|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-12-19|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-12-20|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-12-21|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). There is no new MediaWiki version next week. [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * Starting December 18, it won't be possible to activate Structured Discussions on a user's own talk page using the Beta feature. The Beta feature option remains available for users who want to deactivate Structured Discussions. This is part of [[mw:Structured Discussions/Deprecation|Structured Discussions' deprecation work]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T248309] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] There will be full support for redirects in the Module namespace. The "Move Page" feature will leave an appropriate redirect behind, and such redirects will be appropriately recognized by the software (e.g. hidden from [[{{#special:UnconnectedPages}}]]). There will also be support for [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Scribunto/Lua reference manual#Renaming or moving modules|manual redirects]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T120794] '''Future changes''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The MediaWiki JavaScript documentation is moving to a new format. During the move, you can read the old docs using [https://doc.wikimedia.org/mediawiki-core/REL1_41/js/ version 1.41]. Feedback about [https://doc.wikimedia.org/mediawiki-core/master/js/ the new site] is welcome on the [[mw:Talk:JSDoc_WMF_theme|project talk page]]. * The Wishathon is a new initiative that encourages collaboration across the Wikimedia community to develop solutions for wishes collected through the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey|Community Wishlist Survey]]. The first community Wishathon will take place from 15–17 March. If you are interested in a project proposal as a user, developer, designer, or product lead, you can [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event:WishathonMarch2024|register for the event and read more]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/51|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W51"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 16:18, 18 December 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Johan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25959059 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-52 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Plant blindness]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:fr:Cécité botanique]]) ([[:de:Pflanzenblindheit]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Plant blindness 0323.png|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Plant blindness''' is an informally-proposed form of cognitive bias, which in its broadest meaning, is a human tendency to ignore plant species. This includes such phenomena as not noticing plants in the surrounding environment, not recognizing the importance of plant life to the whole biosphere and to human affairs, a philosophical view of plants as an inferior form of life to animals and/or the inability to appreciate the unique features or aesthetics of plants. Related terms include plant‐neglect, zoo-centrism, and zoo‐chauvinism. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:58, 25 December 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25971304 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-02 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Pax airship disaster]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:pt:Catástrofe do dirigível Pax]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Sim new-mcclures-magazine 1902-09 19 5 (page 75 crop).jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''''Pax''''' '''airship disaster''' was the explosion of the ''Pax'' airship on May 12, 1902, in Paris, which killed the Brazilian inventor Augusto Severo and the French mechanic Georges Saché. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 12:14, 8 January 2024 (UTC)'' </div> <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26033876 --> == Tech News: 2024-02 == <section begin="technews-2024-W02"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/02|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [https://mediawiki2latex.wmflabs.org/ mediawiki2latex] is a tool that converts wiki content into the formats of LaTeX, PDF, ODT, and EPUB. The code now runs many times faster due to recent improvements. There is also an optional Docker container you can [[b:de:Benutzer:Dirk_Hünniger/wb2pdf/install#Using_Docker|install]] on your local machine. * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The way that Random pages are selected has been updated. This will slowly reduce the problem of some pages having a lower chance of appearing. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T309477] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.13|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-01-09|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-01-10|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-01-11|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/02|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W02"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 01:20, 9 January 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26026251 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-03 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Conversion to Islam]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:fr:Conversion à l'islam]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Sahadah-Topkapi-Palace.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Conversion to Islam''' is accepting Islam as a religion or faith and rejecting any other religion or irreligion. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 02:11, 15 January 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26044632 --> == Tech News: 2024-03 == <section begin="technews-2024-W03"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/03|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] Pages that use the JSON [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:ContentHandler|contentmodel]] will now use tabs instead of spaces for auto-indentation. This will significantly reduce the page size. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T326065] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Gadgets|Gadgets]] and personal user scripts may now use JavaScript syntax introduced in ES6 (also known as "ES2015") and ES7 ("ES2016"). MediaWiki validates the source code to protect other site functionality from syntax errors, and to ensure scripts are valid in all [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Compatibility#Browsers|supported browsers]]. Previously, Gadgets could use the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>requiresES6</nowiki></code></bdi> option. This option is no longer needed and will be removed in the future. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T75714] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Bot passwords|Bot passwords]] and [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/OAuth/Owner-only consumers|owner-only OAuth consumers]] can now be restricted to allow editing only specific pages. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T349957] * You can now [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Thanks|thank]] edits made by bots. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T341388] * An update on the status of the Community Wishlist Survey for 2024 [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey/Future Of The Wishlist/January 4, 2024 Update|has been published]]. Please read and give your feedback. '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.14|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-01-16|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-01-17|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-01-18|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * Starting on January 17, it will not be possible to login to Wikimedia wikis from some specific old versions of the Chrome browser (versions 51–66, released between 2016 and 2018). Additionally, users of iOS 12, or Safari on Mac OS 10.14, may need to login to each wiki separately. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T344791] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>jquery.cookie</code></bdi> module was deprecated and replaced with the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>mediawiki.cookie</code></bdi> module last year. A script has now been run to replace any remaining uses, and this week the temporary alias will be removed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T354966] '''Future changes''' * Wikimedia Deutschland is working to [[m:WMDE Technical Wishes/Reusing references|make reusing references easier]]. They are looking for people who are interested in participating in [https://wikimedia.sslsurvey.de/User-research-into-Reusing-References-Sign-up-Form-2024/en/ individual video calls for user research in January and February]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/03|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W03"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:13, 16 January 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26074460 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-04 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Kinder der Landstrasse]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Kinderdlandstrasse plakat.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Kinder der Landstrasse''' (literally: Children of the Country Road) was a project implemented by the Swiss foundation Pro Juventute from 1926 to 1973. The project aimed to assimilate the itinerant Yenish people in Switzerland by forcibly removing their children from their parents and placing them in orphanages or foster homes. Approximately 590 children were affected by this program. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 02:02, 22 January 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26044632 --> == Tech News: 2024-04 == <section begin="technews-2024-W04"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/04|Translations]] are available. '''Problems''' * A bug in UploadWizard prevented linking to the userpage of the uploader when uploading. It has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T354529] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.15|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-01-23|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-01-24|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-01-25|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/04|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W04"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 01:04, 23 January 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26096197 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-05 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Qurm Nature Reserve]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Al-Qurm Wetlands.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Qurm Nature Reserve''' is a national nature reserve in Muscat Governorate, Oman. Located on the Gulf of Oman coast, the reserve protects a mangrove forest and the surrounding wetland in a small estuary within the urban area of Qurm. Established in 1975, the reserve has been designated as an Important Bird Area since 1994, and as a protected Ramsar site since 2013. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:03, 29 January 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26149847 --> == Tech News: 2024-05 == <section begin="technews-2024-W05"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/05|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * Starting Monday January 29, all talk pages messages' timestamps will become a link. This link is a permanent link to the comment. It allows users to find the comment they are looking for, even if this comment was moved elsewhere. This will affect all wikis except for the English Wikipedia. You can read more about this change [https://diff.wikimedia.org/2024/01/29/talk-page-permalinks-dont-lose-your-threads/ on Diff] or [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:DiscussionTools#Talk_pages_permalinking|on Mediawiki.org]].<!-- The Diff post will be published on Monday morning UTC--> [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T302011] * There are some improvements to the CAPTCHA to make it harder for spam bots and scripts to bypass it. If you have feedback on this change, please comment on [[phab:T141490|the task]]. Staff are monitoring metrics related to the CAPTCHA, as well as secondary metrics such as account creations and edit counts. '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.16|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-01-30|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-01-31|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-02-01|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] On February 1, a link will be added to the "Tools" menu to download a [[w:en:QR code|QR code]] that links to the page you are viewing. There will also be a new [[{{#special:QrCode}}]] page to create QR codes for any Wikimedia URL. This addresses the [[m:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Mobile and apps/Add ability to share QR code for a page in any Wikimedia project|#19 most-voted wish]] from the [[m:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Results|2023 Community Wishlist Survey]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T329973] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Gadgets|Gadgets]] which only work in some skins have sometimes used the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>targets</code></bdi> option to limit where you can use them. This will stop working this week. You should use the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>skins</code></bdi> option instead. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T328497] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/05|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W05"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 19:31, 29 January 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26137870 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-06 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Timurid architecture]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Gur-e-Amir Mausolueum - Samarkand - Uzbekistan (7488414078).jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Timurid architecture''' was an important stage in the architectural history of Iran and Central Asia during the late 14th and 15th centuries. The Timurid Empire (1370–1507), founded by Timur (d. 1405) and conquering most of this region, oversaw a cultural renaissance. In architecture, the Timurid dynasty patronized the construction of palaces, mausoleums, and religious monuments across the region. Their architecture is distinguished by its grand scale, luxurious decoration in tilework, and sophisticated geometric vaulting. This architectural style, along with other aspects of Timurid art, spread across the empire and subsequently influenced the architecture of other empires from the Middle East to the Indian subcontinent. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:23, 5 February 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26169542 --> == Tech News: 2024-06 == <section begin="technews-2024-W06"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/06|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' *The mobile site history pages now use the same HTML as the desktop history pages. If you hear of any problems relating to mobile history usage please point them to [[phab:T353388|the phabricator task]]. *On most wikis, admins can now block users from making specific actions. These actions are: uploading files, creating new pages, moving (renaming) pages, and sending thanks. The goal of this feature is to allow admins to apply blocks that are adequate to the blocked users' activity. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community health initiative/Partial blocks#action-blocks|Learn more about "action blocks"]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T242541][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T280531] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.17|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-02-06|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-02-07|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-02-08|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * Talk pages permalinks that included diacritics and non-Latin script were malfunctioning. This issue is fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T356199] '''Future changes''' * [[m:WMDE Technical Wishes/ReferencePreviews#24WPs|24 Wikipedias]] with [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reference_Tooltips|Reference Tooltips]] as a default gadget are encouraged to remove that default flag. This would make [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Reference_Previews|Reference Previews]] the new default for reference popups, leading to a more consistent experience across wikis. For [[m:WMDE Technical Wishes/ReferencePreviews#46WPs|46 Wikipedias]] with less than 4 interface admins, the change is already scheduled for mid-February, [[m:Talk:WMDE Technical Wishes/ReferencePreviews#Reference Previews to become the default for previewing references on more wikis.|unless there are concerns]]. The older Reference Tooltips gadget will still remain usable and will override this feature, if it is available on your wiki and you have enabled it in your settings. [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMDE_Technical_Wishes/ReferencePreviews#Reference_Previews_to_become_the_default_for_previewing_references_on_more_wikis][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T355312] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/06|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W06"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 19:22, 5 February 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26180971 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-07 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Adoration of the Magi (Fra Angelico and Filippo Lippi)]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Fra Angelico, Fra Filippo Lippi, The Adoration of the Magi.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''''Adoration of the Magi''''' is a tondo, or circular painting, of the Adoration of the Magi assumed to be that recorded in 1492 in the Palazzo Medici Riccardi in Florence as by Fra Angelico. It dates from the mid-15th century and is now in the National Gallery of Art in Washington D.C. Most art historians think that Filippo Lippi painted more of the original work, and that it was added to some years after by other artists, as well as including work by assistants in the workshops of both the original masters. It has been known as the Washington Tondo and Cook Tondo after Herbert Cook, and this latter name in particular continues to be used over 50 years after the painting left the Cook collection. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 07:00, 12 February 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26187446 --> == Tech News: 2024-07 == <section begin="technews-2024-W07"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/07|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * The [[d:Wikidata:SPARQL query service/WDQS graph split|WDQS Graph Split experiment]] is working and loaded onto 3 test servers. The team in charge is testing the split's impact and requires feedback from WDQS users through the UI or programmatically in different channels. [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:SPARQL_query_service/WDQS_graph_split][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T356773][https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Sannita_(WMF)] Users' feedback will validate the impact of various use cases and workflows around the Wikidata Query service. [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:SPARQL_query_service/WDQS_backend_update/October_2023_scaling_update][https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikidata_Query_Service/User_Manual#Federation] '''Problems''' *There was a bug that affected the appearance of visited links when using mobile device to access wiki sites. It made the links appear black; [[phab:T356928|this issue]] is fixed. '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.18|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-02-13|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-02-14|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-02-15|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] As work continues on the grid engine deprecation,[https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/News/Toolforge_Grid_Engine_deprecation] tools on the grid engine will be stopped starting on February 14th, 2024. If you have tools actively migrating you can ask for an extension so they are not stopped. [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Portal:Toolforge/About_Toolforge#Communication_and_support] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/07|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W07"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 05:49, 13 February 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26223994 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-08 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:nl:Graf met de handjes]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Weg langs het kerkhof tegenover 1, Roermond.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The monument '''Van Gorkum-Van Aefferden''', more well known as the "'''grave with the little hands'''" is a monumental Tombstone in the Dutch city of Roermond. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 13:24, 19 February 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26260848 --> == Tech News: 2024-08 == <section begin="technews-2024-W08"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/08|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * If you have the "{{int:Tog-enotifwatchlistpages}}" option enabled, edits by bot accounts no longer trigger notification emails. Previously, only minor edits would not trigger the notification emails. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T356984] * There are changes to how user and site scripts load for [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Skin:Vector/2022| Vector 2022]] on specific wikis. The changes impacted the following Wikis: all projects with [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Skin:Vector|Vector legacy]] as the default skin, Wikivoyage, and Wikibooks. Other wikis will be affected over the course of the next three months. Gadgets are not impacted. If you have been affected or want to minimize the impact on your project, see [[Phab:T357580| this ticket]]. Please coordinate and take action proactively. *Newly auto-created accounts (the accounts you get when you visit a new wiki) now have the same local notification preferences as users who freshly register on that wiki. It is effected in four notification types listed in the [[phab:T353225|task's description]]. *The maximum file size when using [[c:Special:MyLanguage/Commons:Upload_Wizard|Upload Wizard]] is now 5 GiB. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T191804] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.19|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-02-20|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-02-21|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-02-22|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] Selected tools on the grid engine have been [[wikitech:News/Toolforge_Grid_Engine_deprecation|stopped]] as we prepare to shut down the grid on March 14th, 2024. The tool's code and data have not been deleted. If you are a maintainer and you want your tool re-enabled reach out to the [[wikitech:Portal:Toolforge/About_Toolforge#Communication_and_support|team]]. Only tools that have asked for extension are still running on the grid. * The CSS <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>[https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/filter filter]</code></bdi> property can now be used in HTML <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>style</code></bdi> attributes in wikitext. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T308160] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/08|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W08"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 15:37, 19 February 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26254282 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-09 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Doorway effect]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''doorway effect''' is a known psychological event where a person's short-term memory declines when passing through a doorway moving from one location to another when it would not if they had remained in the same place. People experience this effect by forgetting what they were going to do, thinking about, or planning upon entering a different room. This is thought to be due to the change in one's physical environment, which is used to distinguish boundaries between remembered events: memories of events encountered in the present environment are more accessible than those beyond it. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:30, 26 February 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26260848 --> == Tech News: 2024-09 == <section begin="technews-2024-W09"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/09|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/VisualEditor_on_mobile|mobile visual editor]] is now the default editor for users who never edited before, at a small group of wikis. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/VisualEditor_on_mobile/VE_mobile_default#A/B_test_results| Research ]] shows that users using this editor are slightly more successful publishing the edits they started, and slightly less successful publishing non-reverted edits. Users who defined the wikitext editor as their default on desktop will get the wikitext editor on mobile for their first edit on mobile as well. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T352127] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/ResourceLoader/Core modules#mw.config|mw.config]] value <code>wgGlobalGroups</code> now only contains groups that are active in the wiki. Scripts no longer have to check whether the group is active on the wiki via an API request. A code example of the above is: <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>if (/globalgroupname/.test(mw.config.get("wgGlobalGroups")))</code></bdi>. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T356008] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.20|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-02-27|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-02-28|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-02-29|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] '''Future changes''' * The right to change [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Tags|edit tags]] (<bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>changetags</code></bdi>) will be removed from users in Wikimedia sites, keeping it by default for admins and bots only. Your community can ask to retain the old configuration on your wiki before this change happens. Please indicate in [[phab:T355639|this ticket]] to keep it for your community before the end of March 2024. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/09|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W09"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 19:23, 26 February 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26294125 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-10 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Sissieretta Jones]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:1899 poster of Mme. M. Sissieretta Jones.jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Matilda Sissieretta Joyner Jones''' (January 5, 1868, or 1869 – June 24, 1933) was an American soprano. She sometimes was called "The Black Patti" in reference to Italian opera singer Adelina Patti. Jones' repertoire included grand opera, light opera, and popular music <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:33, 4 March 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26313143 --> == Tech News: 2024-10 == <section begin="technews-2024-W10"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/10|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * The <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>Special:Book</code></bdi> page (as well as the associated "Create a book" functionality) provided by the old [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Collection|Collection extension]] has been removed from all Wikisource wikis, as it was broken. This does not affect the ability to download normal books, which is provided by the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Wikisource|Wikisource extension]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T358437] * [[m:Wikitech|Wikitech]] now uses the next-generation [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Parsoid|Parsoid]] wikitext parser by default to generate all pages in the Talk namespace. Report any problems on the [[mw:Talk:Parsoid/Parser_Unification/Known_Issues|Known Issues discussion page]]. You can use the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:ParserMigration|ParserMigration]] extension to control the use of Parsoid; see the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserMigration|ParserMigration help documentation]] for more details. * Maintenance on [https://etherpad.wikimedia.org etherpad] is completed. If you encounter any issues, please indicate in [[phab:T316421|this ticket]]. * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=| Advanced item]] [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Gadgets|Gadgets]] allow interface admins to create custom features with CSS and JavaScript. The <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>Gadget</code></bdi> and <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>Gadget_definition</code></bdi> namespaces and <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>gadgets-definition-edit</code></bdi> user right were reserved for an experiment in 2015, but were never used. These were visible on Special:Search and Special:ListGroupRights. The unused namespaces and user rights are now removed. No pages are moved, and no changes need to be made. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T31272] * A usability improvement to the "Add a citation" in Wikipedia workflow has been made, the insert button was moved to the popup header. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T354847] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.21|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-03-05|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-03-06|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-03-07|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] '''Future changes''' * All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on March 20. This is planned at 14:00 UTC. More information will be published in Tech News and will also be posted on individual wikis in the coming weeks. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T358233] * The HTML markup of headings and section edit links will be changed later this year to improve accessibility. See [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Heading_HTML_changes|Heading HTML changes]] for details. The new markup will be the same as in the new Parsoid wikitext parser. You can test your gadget or stylesheet with the new markup if you add <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>?useparsoid=1</code></bdi> to your URL ([[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserMigration#Selecting_a_parser_using_a_URL_query_string|more info]]) or turn on Parsoid read views in your user options ([[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserMigration#Enabling_via_user_preference|more info]]). * '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/10|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W10"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 19:47, 4 March 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26329807 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-11 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Preventative Coup of November 11]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:es:Golpe de Estado en Brasil de 1955]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Exército na casa de Café Filho.jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Preventative Coup of November 11''' sometimes called the '''1955 Brazilian coup d'état''' or referred to as an "anti-coup" or a "counter-coup" (Portuguese: ''Novembrada, Movimento de 11 de Novembro, Contragolpe, Golpe Preventivo do Marechal Lott'') was a series of military and political events led by Henrique Teixeira Lott that resulted in Nereu Ramos assuming the presidency of Brazil until being peacefully succeeded by Juscelino Kubitschek a few months later. The bloodless coup removed Carlos Luz from the presidency because he was suspected of plotting to prevent Kubitschek from taking office. As a result of the tensions, Brazil had three presidents in the span of a single week. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:04, 11 March 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26366849 --> == Tech News: 2024-11 == <section begin="technews-2024-W11"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/11|Translations]] are available. '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.22|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-03-12|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-03-13|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-03-14|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * After consulting with various communities, the line height of the text on the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Skin:Minerva Neue|Minerva skin]] will be increased to its previous value of 1.65. Different options for typography can also be set using the options in the menu, as needed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T358498] *The active link color in [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Skin:Minerva Neue|Minerva]] will be changed to provide more consistency with our other platforms and best practices. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T358516] * [[c:Special:MyLanguage/Commons:Structured data|Structured data on Commons]] will no longer ask whether you want to leave the page without saving. This will prevent the “information you’ve entered may not be saved” popups from appearing when no information have been entered. It will also make file pages on Commons load faster in certain cases. However, the popups will be hidden even if information has indeed been entered. If you accidentally close the page before saving the structured data you entered, that data will be lost. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T312315] '''Future changes''' * All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on March 20. This is planned at 14:00 UTC. More information will be published in Tech News and will also be posted on individual wikis in the coming weeks. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T358233][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/Server_switch] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/11|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W11"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:04, 11 March 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26374013 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-12 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Hojang Taret]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Hojang Taret''' is a classical Meitei language play based on Euripides's ancient Greek tragedy The Phoenician Women. It is directed by Oasis Sougaijam and produced by The Umbilical Theatre in Imphal, Kangleipak. It depicts the moral ambiguities of conflict between brothers resulting to the ruination of the ancient city of Thebes. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:52, 18 March 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26366849 --> == Tech News: 2024-12 == <section begin="technews-2024-W12"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/12|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * The notice "Language links are at the top of the page" that appears in the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Skin:Vector/2022|Vector 2022 skin]] main menu has been removed now that users have learned the new location of the Language switcher. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T353619] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] [[m:Special:MyLanguage/IP_Editing:_Privacy_Enhancement_and_Abuse_Mitigation/IP_Info_feature|IP info feature]] displays data from Spur, an IP addresses database. Previously, the only data source for this feature was MaxMind. Now, IP info is more useful for patrollers. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T341395] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The Toolforge Grid Engine services have been shut down after the final migration process from Grid Engine to Kubernetes. [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Obsolete:Toolforge/Grid][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/News/Toolforge_Grid_Engine_deprecation][https://techblog.wikimedia.org/2022/03/14/toolforge-and-grid-engine/] * Communities can now customize the default reasons for undeleting a page by creating [[MediaWiki:Undelete-comment-dropdown]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T326746] '''Problems''' * [[m:Special:MyLanguage/WMDE_Technical_Wishes/RevisionSlider|RevisionSlider]] is an interface to interactively browse a page's history. Users in [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:RevisionSlider/Developing_a_RTL-accessible_feature_in_MediaWiki_-_what_we%27ve_learned_while_creating_the_RevisionSlider|right-to-left]] languages reported RevisionSlider reacting wrong to mouse clicks. This should be fixed now. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T352169] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.23|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-03-19|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-03-20|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-03-21|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on March 20. This is planned at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1710943200 14:00 UTC]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T358233][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/Server_switch] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/12|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W12"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 17:40, 18 March 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26410165 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-13 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Magna Lykseth-Skogman]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Magna Lykseth in Tristan och Isolde at Kungliga Operan 1909 - SMV - GL164.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Magna Elvine Lykseth-Skogman''' (6 February 1874 – 13 November 1949), also known as Magna Lykseth-Schjerven, was a Norwegian-born Swedish operatic soprano. After making her début at the Royal Swedish Opera in 1901 as Santuzza in Cavalleria rusticana, she was engaged there until 1918 becoming the company's prima donna. She performed leading roles in a wide range of operas but is remembered in particular for her Wagnerian interpretations, creating Brünnhilde in the Swedish premières of Siegfried and Götterdämmerung, and Isolde in 1909. Considered to be one of the most outstanding Swedish opera singers of her generation, she was awarded the Litteris et Artibus medal in 1907 and became a member of the Royal Swedish Academy of Music in 1912 <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:00, 25 March 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26447450 --> == Tech News: 2024-13 == <section begin="technews-2024-W13"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/13|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] An update was made on March 18th 2024 to how various projects load site, user JavaScript and CSS in [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Skin:Vector/2022|Vector 2022 skin]]. A [[phab:T360384|checklist]] is provided for site admins to follow. '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.24|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-03-26|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-03-27|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-03-28|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/13|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W13"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 18:57, 25 March 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26446209 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-14 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Lidder Valley]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Pahalgam Valley.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Lidder Valley''' or Liddar Valley is a Himalayan sub-valley that forms the southeastern corner of Anantnag district in Indian-administered Kashmir. The Lidder River flows down the valley. The entrance to the valley lies 7 km northeast from Anantnag town and 62 km southeast from Srinagar, the summer capital of Jammu and Kashmir. It is a 40-km-long gorge valley with an average width of 3 km. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 03:15, 1 April 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26509189 --> == Tech News: 2024-14 == <section begin="technews-2024-W14"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/14|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * Users of the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Accessibility_for_reading|reading accessibility]] beta feature will notice that the default line height for the standard and large text options has changed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T359030] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.25|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-04-02|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-04-03|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-04-04|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] '''Future changes''' * The Wikimedia Foundation has an annual plan. The annual plan decides what the Wikimedia Foundation will work on. You can now read [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2024-2025/Product & Technology OKRs#Draft Key Results|the draft key results]] for the Product and Technology department. They are suggestions for what results the Foundation wants from big technical changes from July 2024 to June 2025. You can [[m:Talk:Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2024-2025/Product & Technology OKRs|comment on the talk page]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/14|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W14"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 03:36, 2 April 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26462933 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-15 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Operation Kraai]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Overzicht van het vliegveld te Djokja vanuit de 'Control Tower', Bestanddeelnr 5128.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Operation Kraai''' (Operation Crow) was a Dutch military offensive against the de facto Republic of Indonesia in December 1948 after negotiations failed. With the advantage of surprise the Dutch managed to capture the Indonesian Republic's temporary capital, Yogyakarta, and seized Indonesian leaders such as de facto Republican President Sukarno. This apparent military success was however followed by guerrilla warfare, while the violation of the Renville Agreement ceasefire diplomatically isolated the Dutch, leading to the Dutch–Indonesian Round Table Conference and recognition of the United States of Indonesia. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:47, 8 April 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26550154 --> == Tech News: 2024-15 == <section begin="technews-2024-W15"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/15|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * Web browsers can use tools called [[:w:en:Browser extension|extensions]]. There is now a Chrome extension called [[m:Future Audiences/Experiment:Citation Needed|Citation Needed]] which you can use to see if an online statement is supported by a Wikipedia article. This is a small experiment to see if Wikipedia can be used this way. Because it is a small experiment, it can only be used in Chrome in English. * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] A new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Edit Recovery|Edit Recovery]] feature has been added to all wikis, available as a [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing|user preference]]. Once you enable it, your in-progress edits will be stored in your web browser, and if you accidentally close an editing window or your browser or computer crashes, you will be prompted to recover the unpublished text. Please leave any feedback on the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Talk:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Edit-recovery feature|project talk page]]. This was the #8 wish in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey. * Initial results of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Edit check|Edit check]] experiments [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Edit_check#4_April_2024|have been published]]. Edit Check is now deployed as a default feature at [[phab:T342930#9538364|the wikis that tested it]]. [[mw:Talk:Edit check|Let us know]] if you want your wiki to be part of the next deployment of Edit check. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T342930][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T361727] * Readers using the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Skin:Minerva Neue|Minerva skin]] on mobile will notice there has been an improvement in the line height across all typography settings. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T359029] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.26|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-04-09|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-04-10|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-04-11|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * New accounts and logged-out users will get the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/VisualEditor|visual editor]] as their default editor on mobile. This deployment is made at all wikis except for the English Wikipedia. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T361134] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/15|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W15"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:38, 8 April 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26564838 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-16 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:ru:Павильон Росси]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:en:Rossi Pavilion]])&#32;([[:fr:Pavillon Rossi]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Rossi's Pavilion in Mikhailovsky Garden. Saint-Petersburg. 1825..jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Rossi Pavilion''' (Russian: Павильон Росси) is a pavilion on the bank of the Moyka River in the Mikhailovsky Garden in Saint Petersburg. It was designed by architect Carlo Rossi in the early 1820s and built in 1825 during his redevelopment of the garden. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:53, 15 April 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26565118 --> == Tech News: 2024-16 == <section begin="technews-2024-W16"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/16|Translations]] are available. '''Problems''' * Between 2 April and 8 April, on wikis using [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:FlaggedRevs|Flagged Revisions]], the "{{Int:tag-mw-reverted}}" tag was not applied to undone edits. In addition, page moves, protections and imports were not autoreviewed. This problem is now fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T361918][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T361940] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/wmf.1|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-04-16|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-04-17|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-04-18|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Magic words#DEFAULTSORT|Default category sort keys]] will now affect categories added by templates placed in [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Cite|footnotes]]. Previously footnotes used the page title as the default sort key even if a different default sort key was specified (category-specific sort keys already worked). [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T40435] * A new variable <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>page_last_edit_age</code></bdi> will be added to [[Special:AbuseFilter|abuse filters]]. It tells how many seconds ago the last edit to a page was made. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T269769] '''Future changes''' * Volunteer developers are kindly asked to update the code of their tools and features to handle [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]]. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/For developers/2024-04 CTA|Learn more]]. * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] Four database fields will be removed from database replicas (including [[quarry:|Quarry]]). This affects only the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>abuse_filter</code></bdi> and <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>abuse_filter_history</code></bdi> tables. Some queries might need to be updated. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T361996] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/16|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W16"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:29, 15 April 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26564838 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-17 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Devorà Ascarelli]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:it:Debora Ascarelli]])&#32;([[:es:Devorà Ascarelli]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Devorà Ascarelli''' was a 16th-century Italian poet living in Rome, Italy. Ascarelli may have been the first Jewish woman to have a book of her own work published. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26624302 --> == Tech News: 2024-17 == <section begin="technews-2024-W17"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/17|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * Starting this week, newcomers editing Wikipedia [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Positive reinforcement#Leveling up 3|will be encouraged]] to try structured tasks. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Feature summary#Newcomer tasks|Structured tasks]] have been shown to [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Personalized first day/Structured tasks/Add a link/Experiment analysis, December 2021|improve newcomer activation and retention]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T348086] * You can [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Coolest Tool Award|nominate your favorite tools]] for the fifth edition of the Coolest Tool Award. Nominations will be open until May 10. '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/wmf.2|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-04-23|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-04-24|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-04-25|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] '''Future changes''' * This is the last warning that by the end of May 2024 the Vector 2022 skin will no longer share site and user scripts/styles with old Vector. For user-scripts that you want to keep using on Vector 2022, copy the contents of [[{{#special:MyPage}}/vector.js]] to [[{{#special:MyPage}}/vector-2022.js]]. There are [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Loading Vector 2010 scripts|more technical details]] available. Interface administrators who foresee this leading to lots of technical support questions may wish to send a mass message to your community, as was done on French Wikipedia. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T362701] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/17|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W17"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 20:28, 22 April 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26647188 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-18 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:1989 Serbian general election]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:sr:Председнички избори у Србији 1989.]])&#32;([[:vi:Tổng tuyển cử Serbia 1989]])''</small></div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Parliament of SR Serbia (1989–1991).svg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''General elections were held in Serbia''', a constituent federal unit of SFR Yugoslavia, on 12 November 1989 to elect the president of the presidency of the Socialist Republic of Serbia and delegates of the Assembly of SR Serbia. Voting for delegates also took place on 10 and 30 November 1989. In addition to the general elections, local elections were held simultaneously. These were the first direct elections conducted after the adoption of the 1974 Yugoslav Constitution and the delegate electoral system, and the last elections conducted under a one-party system. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:32, 29 April 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26624302 --> == Tech News: 2024-18 == <section begin="technews-2024-W18"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/18|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' [[File:Talk_pages_default_look_(April_2023).jpg|thumb|alt=Screenshot of the visual improvements made on talk pages|Example of a talk page with the new design, in French.]] * The appearance of talk pages changed for the following wikis: {{int:project-localized-name-azwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-bnwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-dewiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-fawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-hewiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-hiwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-idwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-kowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-nlwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-ptwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-rowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-thwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-trwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-ukwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-viwiki/en}}. These wikis participated to a test, where 50% of users got the new design, for one year. As this test [[Mw:Special:MyLanguage/Talk pages project/Usability/Analysis|gave positive results]], the new design is deployed on these wikis as the default design. It is possible to opt-out these changes [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing|in user preferences]] ("{{int:discussiontools-preference-visualenhancements}}"). The deployment will happen at all wikis in the coming weeks. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T341491] * Seven new wikis have been created: ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia}} in [[d:Q33014|Betawi]] ([[w:bew:|<code>w:bew:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T357866] ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia}} in [[d:Q35708|Kusaal]] ([[w:kus:|<code>w:kus:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T359757] ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia}} in [[d:Q35513|Igala]] ([[w:igl:|<code>w:igl:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T361644] ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wiktionary}} in [[d:Q33541|Karakalpak]] ([[wikt:kaa:|<code>wikt:kaa:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T362135] ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikisource}} in [[d:Q9228|Burmese]] ([[s:my:|<code>s:my:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T361085] ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikisource}} in [[d:Q9237|Malay]] ([[s:ms:|<code>s:ms:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T363039] ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikisource}} in [[d:Q8108|Georgian]] ([[s:ka:|<code>s:ka:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T363085] * You can now [https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Support#Early_access:_Watch_Message_Groups_on_Translatewiki.net watch message groups/projects] on [[m:Special:MyLanguage/translatewiki.net|Translatewiki.net]]. Initially, this feature will notify you of added or deleted messages in these groups. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T348501] * Dark mode is now available on all wikis, on mobile web for logged-in users who opt into the [[Special:MobileOptions|advanced mode]]. This is the early release of the feature. Technical editors are invited to [https://night-mode-checker.wmcloud.org/ check for accessibility issues on wikis]. See [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Accessibility for reading/Updates/2024-04|more detailed guidelines]]. '''Problems''' * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:Kartographer|Kartographer]] maps can use an alternative visual style without labels, by using <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>mapstyle="osm"</nowiki></code></bdi>. This wasn't working in previews, creating the wrong impression that it wasn't supported. This has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T362531] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/wmf.3|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-04-30|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-05-01|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-05-02|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/18|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W18"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 03:34, 30 April 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26689057 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-19 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Heinrich Bünting]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Heinrich Bünting''' (1545 – 1606) was a Protestant pastor and theologian. He is best known for his book of woodcut maps titled Itinerarium Sacrae Scripturae (Travel book through Holy Scripture) first published in 1581. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26624302 --> == Tech News: 2024-19 == <section begin="technews-2024-W19"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/19|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' [[File:Talk_pages_default_look_(April_2023).jpg|thumb|alt=Screenshot of the visual improvements made on talk pages|Example of a talk page with the new design, in French.]] * The appearance of talk pages changed for all wikis, except for Commons, Wikidata and most Wikipedias ([[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/18|a few]] have already received this design change). You can read the detail of the changes [[diffblog:2024/05/02/making-talk-pages-better-for-everyone/|on ''Diff'']]. It is possible to opt-out these changes [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing|in user preferences]] ("{{int:discussiontools-preference-visualenhancements}}"). The deployment will happen at remaining wikis in the coming weeks. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T352087][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T319146] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] Interface admins now have greater control over the styling of article components on mobile with the introduction of the <code>SiteAdminHelper</code>. More information on how styles can be disabled can be found [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:WikimediaMessages#Site_admin_helper|at the extension's page]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T363932] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Enterprise|Wikimedia Enterprise]] has added article body sections in JSON format and a curated short description field to the existing parsed Infobox. This expansion to the API is also available via Wikimedia Cloud Services. [https://enterprise.wikimedia.com/blog/article-sections-and-description/] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/wmf.4|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-05-07|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-05-08|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-05-09|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * When you look at the Special:Log page, the first view is labelled "All public logs", but it only shows some logs. This label will now say "Main public logs". [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T237729] '''Future changes''' * A new service will be built to replace [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Graph|Extension:Graph]]. Details can be found in [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Graph/Plans|the latest update]] regarding this extension. * Starting May 21, English Wikipedia and German Wikipedia will get the possibility to activate "[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Add a link|Add a link]]". This is part of the [[phab:T304110|progressive deployment of this tool to all Wikipedias]]. These communities can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Community configuration|activate and configure the feature locally]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T308144] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/19|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W19"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 16:45, 6 May 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Trizek (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26729363 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-20 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:var(--background-color-backdrop-dark, #DDDDDD); border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:var(--color-inverted, #000000); padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Ruyan (district)]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:fa:رویان (طبرستان)]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Northern Iran and its surroundings during the Iranian intermezzo.svg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Ruyan''' (Persian: رویان), later known as Rustamdar (رستمدار), was the name of a mountainous district that encompassed the western part of Tabaristan/Mazandaran, a region on the Caspian coast of northern Iran. In Iranian mythology, Ruyan appears as one of the places that the legendary archer Arash shot his arrow from, reaching the edge of Khorasan to mark the border between Iran and Turan. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:39, 13 May 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26755244 --> == Tech News: 2024-20 == <section begin="technews-2024-W20"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/20|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * On Wikisource there is a special page listing pages of works without corresponding scan images. Now you can use the new magic word <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>__EXPECTWITHOUTSCANS__</code></bdi> to exclude certain pages (list of editions or translations of works) from that list. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T344214] * If you use the [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing|user-preference]] "{{int:tog-uselivepreview}}", then the template-page feature "{{int:Templatesandbox-editform-legend}}" will now also work without reloading the page. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T136907] * [[mw:Special:Mylanguage/Extension:Kartographer|Kartographer]] maps can now specify an alternative text via the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>alt=</nowiki></code></bdi> attribute. This is identical in usage to the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>alt=</nowiki></code></bdi> attribute in the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Images#Syntax|image and gallery syntax]]. An exception for this feature is wikis like Wikivoyage where the miniature maps are interactive. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T328137] * The old [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:GuidedTour|Guided Tour]] for the "[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Edit Review Improvements/New filters for edit review|New Filters for Edit Review]]" feature has been removed. It was created in 2017 to show people with older accounts how the interface had changed, and has now been seen by most of the intended people. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T217451] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/wmf.5|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-05-14|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-05-15|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-05-16|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The [[{{#special:search}}]] results page will now use CSS flex attributes, for better accessibility, instead of a table. If you have a gadget or script that adjusts search results, you should update your script to the new HTML structure. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T320295] '''Future changes''' * In the Vector 2022 skin, main pages will be displayed at full width (like special pages). The goal is to keep the number of characters per line large enough. This is related to the coming changes to typography in Vector 2022. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Accessibility for reading/Updates|Learn more]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T357706] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] Two columns of the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:pagelinks table|pagelinks]]</code></bdi> database table (<bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>pl_namespace</code></bdi> and <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>pl_title</code></bdi>) are being dropped soon. Users must use two columns of the new <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>[[mw:special:MyLanguage/Manual:linktarget table|linktarget]]</code></bdi> table instead (<bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>lt_namespace</code></bdi> and <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>lt_title</code></bdi>). In your existing SQL queries: *# Replace <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>JOIN pagelinks</code></bdi> with <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>JOIN linktarget</code></bdi> and <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>pl_</code></bdi> with <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>lt_</code></bdi> in the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>ON</code></bdi> statement *# Below that add <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>JOIN pagelinks ON lt_id = pl_target_id</code></bdi> ** See <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[phab:T222224]]</bdi> for technical reasoning. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T222224][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T299947] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/20|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W20"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:59, 13 May 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26762074 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-21 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: #f8f9fa; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Turlough (lake)]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:de:Turlough]])&#32;([[:no:Turlough]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Carran Turlough.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> A '''turlough''' is a seasonal or periodic water body found mostly in limestone karst areas of Ireland, west of the River Shannon. [...] The water bodies fill and empty with the changes in the level of the water table, usually being very low or empty during summer and autumn and full in the winter. As groundwater levels drop the water drains away underground through cracks in the karstic limestone. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:31, 20 May 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26789673 --> == Tech News: 2024-21 == <section begin="technews-2024-W21"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/21|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Nuke|Nuke]] feature, which enables administrators to mass delete pages, will now correctly delete pages which were moved to another title. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T43351] * New changes have been made to the UploadWizard in Wikimedia Commons: the overall layout has been improved, by following new styling and spacing for the form and its fields; the headers and helper text for each of the fields was changed; the Caption field is now a required field, and there is an option for users to copy their caption into the media description. [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:WMF_support_for_Commons/Upload_Wizard_Improvements#Changes_to_%22Describe%22_workflow][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T361049] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/wmf.6|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-05-21|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-05-22|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-05-23|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The HTML used to render all headings [[mw:Heading_HTML_changes|is being changed to improve accessibility]]. It will change on 22 May in some skins (Timeless, Modern, CologneBlue, Nostalgia, and Monobook). Please test gadgets on your wiki on these skins and [[phab:T13555|report any related problems]] so that they can be resolved before this change is made in all other skins. The developers are also considering the introduction of a [[phab:T337286|Gadget API for adding buttons to section titles]] if that would be helpful to tool creators, and would appreciate any input you have on that. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/21|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W21"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:04, 20 May 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26786311 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-22 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: #f8f9fa; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Geiranger Church]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:no:Geiranger kirke]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Iglesia parroquial, Geiranger, Noruega, 2019-09-07, DD 84-97 PAN.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Geiranger Church''' (Norwegian: Geiranger kyrkje) is a parish church of the Church of Norway in Stranda Municipality in Møre og Romsdal county, Norway. It is located in the village of Geiranger, and the end of the famous Geirangerfjorden. It is the church for the Geiranger parish which is part of the Nordre Sunnmøre prosti (deanery) in the Diocese of Møre. The white, wooden church was built in an octagonal design in 1842 using plans drawn up by the architect Hans Klipe. The church seats about 165 people. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:48, 27 May 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26828106 --> == Tech News: 2024-22 == <section begin="technews-2024-W22"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/22|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * Several bugs related to the latest updates to the UploadWizard on Wikimedia Commons have been fixed. For more information, see [[:phab:T365107|T365107]] and [[:phab:T365119|T365119]]. * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] In March 2024 a new [[mw:ResourceLoader/Core_modules#addPortlet|addPortlet]] API was added to allow gadgets to create new portlets (menus) in the skin. In certain skins this can be used to create dropdowns. Gadget developers are invited to try it and [[phab:T361661|give feedback]]. * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] Some CSS in the Minerva skin has been removed to enable easier community configuration. Interface editors should check the rendering on mobile devices for aspects related to the classes: <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>.collapsible</code></bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>.multicol</code></bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>.reflist</code></bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>.coordinates</code></bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>.topicon</code></bdi>. [[phab:T361659|Further details are available on replacement CSS]] if it is needed. '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/wmf.7|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-05-28|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-05-29|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-05-30|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * When you visit a wiki where you don't yet have a local account, local rules such as edit filters can sometimes prevent your account from being created. Starting this week, MediaWiki takes your global rights into account when evaluating whether you can override such local rules. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T316303] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/22|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W22"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:15, 28 May 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26832205 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-23 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: #f8f9fa; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Guillermo Larrazábal]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Guillermo Larrazábal Arzubide''' (10 February 1907 – 1983) was a Spanish stained glass artist who was active in Ecuador. He is considered Ecuador's most important stained glass artist. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:14, 3 June 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26828106 --> == Tech News: 2024-23 == <section begin="technews-2024-W23"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/23|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * It is now possible for local administrators to add new links to the bottom of the site Tools menu without JavaScript. [[mw:Manual:Interface/Sidebar#Add or remove toolbox sections|Documentation is available]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T6086] * The message name for the definition of the tracking category of WikiHiero has changed from "<bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>MediaWiki:Wikhiero-usage-tracking-category</code></bdi>" to "<bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>MediaWiki:Wikihiero-usage-tracking-category</code></bdi>". [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/wikihiero/+/1035855] * One new wiki has been created: a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia}} in [[d:Q5317225|Kadazandusun]] ([[w:dtp:|<code>w:dtp:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T365220] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/wmf.8|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-06-04|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-06-05|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-06-06|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] '''Future changes''' * Next week, on wikis with the Vector 2022 skin as the default, logged-out desktop users will be able to choose between different font sizes. The default font size will also be increased for them. This is to make Wikimedia projects easier to read. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Accessibility for reading/Updates/2024-06 deployments|Learn more]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/23|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W23"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 22:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26844397 --> == Tech News: 2024-24 == <section begin="technews-2024-W24"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/24|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * The software used to render SVG files has been updated to a new version, fixing many longstanding bugs in SVG rendering. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T265549] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The HTML used to render all headings [[mw:Heading HTML changes|is being changed to improve accessibility]]. It was changed last week in some skins (Vector legacy and Minerva). Please test gadgets on your wiki on these skins and [[phab:T13555|report any related problems]] so that they can be resolved before this change is made in Vector-2022. The developers are still considering the introduction of a [[phab:T337286|Gadget API for adding buttons to section titles]] if that would be helpful to tool creators, and would appreciate any input you have on that. * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The HTML markup used for citations by [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Parsoid|Parsoid]] changed last week. In places where Parsoid previously added the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>mw-reference-text</code></bdi> class, Parsoid now also adds the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>reference-text</code></bdi> class for better compatibility with the legacy parser. [[mw:Specs/HTML/2.8.0/Extensions/Cite/Announcement|More details are available]]. [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1036705] '''Problems''' * There was a bug with the Content Translation interface that caused the tools menus to appear in the wrong location. This has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T366374] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/wmf.9|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-06-11|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-06-12|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-06-13|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The new version of MediaWiki includes another change to the HTML markup used for citations: [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Parsoid|Parsoid]] will now generate a <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki><span class="mw-cite-backlink"></nowiki></code></bdi> wrapper for both named and unnamed references for better compatibility with the legacy parser. Interface administrators should verify that gadgets that interact with citations are compatible with the new markup. [[mw:Specs/HTML/2.8.0/Extensions/Cite/Announcement|More details are available]]. [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1035809] * On multilingual wikis that use the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki><translate></nowiki></code></bdi> system, there is a feature that shows potentially-outdated translations with a pink background until they are updated or confirmed. From this week, confirming translations will be logged, and there is a new user-right that can be required for confirming translations if the community [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Requesting wiki configuration changes|requests it]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T49177] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/24|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W24"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 20:20, 10 June 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26893898 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-25 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: #f8f9fa; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:de:Magdalena Zeger]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Magdalena Zeger''' ([mak.da.ˈleː.na ˈt͡seː.gɐ], * 1491; † 16. January 1568 in Kolding) was a calendar maker, astronomer and astrologist. Her Hamburg almanacs and forecasts from 1561 and 1563 have been preserved. Zeger's calendars are the first independent publications by a woman in the field of astronomy. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:29, 17 June 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26940351 --> == Tech News: 2024-25 == <section begin="technews-2024-W25"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/25|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * People who attempt to add an external link in the visual editor will now receive immediate feedback if they attempt to link to a domain that a project has decided to block. Please see [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Edit_check#11_June_2024|Edit check]] for more details. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T366751] * The new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CommunityConfiguration|Community Configuration extension]] is available [[testwiki:Special:CommunityConfiguration|on Test Wikipedia]]. This extension allows communities to customize specific features to meet their local needs. Currently only Growth features are configurable, but the extension will support other [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Community_configuration#Use_cases|Community Configuration use cases]] in the future. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T323811][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T360954] * The dark mode [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures|beta feature]] is now available on category and help pages, as well as more special pages. There may be contrast issues. Please report bugs on the [[mw:Talk:Reading/Web/Accessibility_for_reading|project talk page]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T366370] '''Problems''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] Cloud Services tools were not available for 25 minutes last week. This was caused by a faulty hardware cable in the data center. [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incidents/2024-06-11_WMCS_Ceph] * Last week, styling updates were made to the Vector 2022 skin. This caused unforeseen issues with templates, hatnotes, and images. Changes to templates and hatnotes were reverted. Most issues with images were fixed. If you still see any, [[phab:T367463|report them here]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T367480] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/wmf.10|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-06-18|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-06-19|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-06-20|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * Starting June 18, the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Edit check#ref|Reference Edit Check]] will be deployed to [[phab:T361843|a new set of Wikipedias]]. This feature is intended to help newcomers and to assist edit-patrollers by inviting people who are adding new content to a Wikipedia article to add a citation when they do not do so themselves. During [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Edit_check#Reference_Check_A/B_Test|a test at 11 wikis]], the number of citations added [https://diff.wikimedia.org/?p=127553 more than doubled] when Reference Check was shown to people. Reference Check is [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Edit check/Configuration|community configurable]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T361843]<!-- NOTE: THE DIFF BLOG WILL BE PUBLISHED ON MONDAY --> * [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Mailing_lists|Mailing lists]] will be unavailable for roughly two hours on Tuesday 10:00–12:00 UTC. This is to enable migration to a new server and upgrade its software. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T367521] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/25|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W25"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:49, 17 June 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26911987 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-26 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: #f8f9fa; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Koreans in Micronesia]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:zh:朝鮮裔密克羅尼西亞人]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Koreans in Micronesia''' used to form a significant population before World War II, when most of the region was ruled as the South Seas Mandate of the Empire of Japan; for example, they formed 7.3% of the population of Palau in 1943. However, after the area came under the control of the United States as the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands, most Koreans returned to their homeland. As of 2013, about seven thousand South Korean expatriates & immigrants and Korean Americans reside in the Marianas (Guam and the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands), which have remained under U.S. control, while only around two hundred South Korean expatriates reside in the independent countries of Micronesia. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 04:03, 24 June 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26940351 --> == Tech News: 2024-26 == <section begin="technews-2024-W26"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/26|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * Editors will notice that there have been some changes to the background color of text in the diff view, and the color of the byte-change numbers, last week. These changes are intended to make text more readable in both light mode and dark mode, and are part of a larger effort to increase accessibility. You can share your comments or questions [[mw:Talk:Reading/Web/Accessibility for reading|on the project talkpage]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T361717] * The text colors that are used for visited-links, hovered-links, and active-links, were also slightly changed last week to improve their accessibility in both light mode and dark mode. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T366515] '''Problems''' * You can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:DiscussionTools#Talk pages permalinking|copy permanent links to talk page comments]] by clicking on a comment's timestamp. [[mw:Talk pages project/Permalinks|This feature]] did not always work when the topic title was very long and the link was used as a wikitext link. This has been fixed. Thanks to Lofhi for submitting the bug. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T356196] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/wmf.11|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-06-25|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-06-26|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-06-27|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * Starting 26 June, all talk pages messages' timestamps will become a link at English Wikipedia, making this feature available for you to use at all wikis. This link is a permanent link to the comment. It allows users to find the comment they were linked to, even if this comment has since been moved elsewhere. You can read more about this feature [[DiffBlog:/2024/01/29/talk-page-permalinks-dont-lose-your-threads/|on Diff]] or [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:DiscussionTools#Talk pages permalinking|on Mediawiki.org]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T365974] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/26|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W26"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 22:33, 24 June 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26989424 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-27 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Roller printing on textiles]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Silverstudio.jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Roller printing''' on fabrics is a textile printing process patented by Thomas Bell of Scotland in 1783 in an attempt to reduce the cost of the earlier copperplate printing. This method was used in Lancashire fabric mills to produce cotton dress fabrics from the 1790s, most often reproducing small monochrome patterns characterized by striped motifs and tiny dotted patterns called "machine grounds". Improvements in the technology resulted in more elaborate roller prints in bright, rich colours from the 1820s; Turkey red and chrome yellow were particularly popular. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:44, 1 July 2024 (UTC)'' </div> </div> <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27031540 --> == Tech News: 2024-27 == <section begin="technews-2024-W27"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/27|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * Over the next three weeks, dark mode will become available for all users, both logged-in and logged-out, starting with the mobile web version. This fulfils one of the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2023/Reading/Dark_mode|top-requested community wishes]], and improves low-contrast reading and usage in low-light settings. As part of these changes, dark mode will also work on User-pages and Portals. There is more information in [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Accessibility_for_reading/Updates#June_2024:_Typography_and_dark_mode_deployments,_new_global_preferences|the latest Web team update]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T366364] * Logged-in users can now set [[m:Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering-skin-skin-prefs|global preferences for the text-size and dark-mode]], thanks to a combined effort across Foundation teams. This allows Wikimedians using multiple wikis to set up a consistent reading experience easily, for example by switching between light and dark mode only once for all wikis. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T341278] * If you use a very old web browser some features might not work on the Wikimedia wikis. This affects Internet Explorer 11 and versions of Chrome, Firefox and Safari older than 2016. This change makes it possible to use new [[d:Q46441|CSS]] features and to send less code to all readers. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T288287][https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Manual:How_to_make_a_MediaWiki_skin#Using_CSS_variables_for_supporting_different_themes_e.g._dark_mode] * Wikipedia Admins can customize local wiki configuration options easily using [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Community Configuration|Community Configuration]]. Community Configuration was created to allow communities to customize how some features work, because each language wiki has unique needs. At the moment, admins can configure [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Feature_summary|Growth features]] on their home wikis, in order to better recruit and retain new editors. More options will be provided in the coming months. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T366458] * Editors interested in language issues that are related to [[w:en:Unicode|Unicode standards]], can now discuss those topics at [[mw:Talk:WMF membership with Unicode Consortium|a new conversation space in MediaWiki.org]]. The Wikimedia Foundation is now a [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/WMF membership with Unicode Consortium|member of the Unicode Consortium]], and the coordination group can collaboratively review the issues discussed and, where appropriate, bring them to the attention of the Unicode Consortium. * One new wiki has been created: a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia}} in [[d:Q2891049|Mandailing]] ([[w:btm:|<code>w:btm:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T368038] '''Problems''' * Editors can once again click on links within the visual editor's citation-preview, thanks to a bug fix by the Editing Team. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T368119] '''Future changes''' * Please [https://wikimediafoundation.limesurvey.net/758713?lang=en help us to improve Tech News by taking this short survey]. The goal is to better meet the needs of the various types of people who read Tech News. The survey will be open for 2 weeks. The survey is covered by [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal:Tech_News_Survey_2024_Privacy_Statement this privacy statement]. Some translations are available. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/27|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W27"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:59, 1 July 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27038456 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-28 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:simple:India naming dispute]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:ur:انڈیا نام کا تنازعہ]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''India naming dispute''' in 1947 refers to the argument over the use of the name India during and after the partition of British Raj, between the countries of Pakistan and the Republic of India. This dispute involved key figures such as Lord Mountbatten, the last Viceroy of British Raj, and Muhammad Ali Jinnah, the leader of the Muslim League and a founder of Pakistan. By 1947, the British Raj was going to be divided into two new nation states – Hindustan and Pakistan. Jinnah was initially convinced that Hindustan would not use the term India, since it lacked indigenous pedigree, etymologically and historically India meant the Indus Valley (modern-Pakistan). He also opposed the use of the name India as it would cause confusion regarding history. The disagreement had significant implications for national identity and international recognition. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:13, 8 July 2024 (UTC)'' </div> </div> <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27031540 --> == Tech News: 2024-28 == <section begin="technews-2024-W28"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/28|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * At the Wikimedia Foundation a new task force was formed to replace the disabled Graph with [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project|more secure, easy to use, and extensible Chart]]. You can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Newsletter:Chart Project|subscribe to the newsletter]] to get notified about new project updates and other news about Chart. * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents]] extension is now available on Meta-wiki, Igbo Wikipedia, and Swahili Wikipedia, and can be requested on your wiki. This extension helps in managing and making events more visible, giving Event organizers the ability to use tools like the Event registration tool. To learn more about the deployment status and how to request this extension for your wiki, visit the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents/Deployment_status|CampaignEvents page on Meta-wiki]]. * Editors using the iOS Wikipedia app who have more than 50 edits can now use the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/iOS Suggested edits#Add an image|Add an Image]] feature. This feature presents opportunities for small but useful contributions to Wikipedia. * Thank you to [[mw:MediaWiki Product Insights/Contributor retention and growth/Celebration|all of the authors]] who have contributed to MediaWiki Core. As a result of these contributions, the [[mw:MediaWiki Product Insights/Contributor retention and growth|percentage of authors contributing more than 5 patches has increased by 25% since last year]], which helps ensure the sustainability of the platform for the Wikimedia projects. '''Problems''' * A problem with the color of the talkpage tabs always showing as blue, even for non-existent pages which should have been red, affecting the Vector 2022 skin, [[phab:T367982|has been fixed]]. '''Future changes''' * The Trust and Safety Product team wants to introduce [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]] with as little disruption to tools and workflows as possible. Volunteer developers, including gadget and user-script maintainers, are kindly asked to update the code of their tools and features to handle temporary accounts. The team has [[mw:Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/For developers|created documentation]] explaining how to do the update. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/For developers/2024-04 CTA|Learn more]]. '''Tech News survey''' * Please [https://wikimediafoundation.limesurvey.net/758713?lang=en help us to improve Tech News by taking this short survey]. The goal is to better meet the needs of the various types of people who read Tech News. The survey will be open for 1 more week. The survey is covered by [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal:Tech_News_Survey_2024_Privacy_Statement this privacy statement]. Some translations are available. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/28|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W28"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 21:32, 8 July 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27080357 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-29 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Adumu]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Maasai 2012 05 31 2782 (7522645058).jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Adumu''', is a type of dance that the Maasai people of Kenya and Tanzania practice. Young Maasai warriors generally perform the energetic and acrobatic dance at ceremonial occasions including weddings, religious rites, and other significant cultural events. The Adumu dance is characterized by a sequence of jumps performed by the dancers, who stand in a circle and alternately jump while keeping their bodies as straight and upright as possible. In addition to wearing vividly colored shúkàs (clothes) and beaded jewelry, the dancers are typically clad in traditional Maasai costume. Traditional Maasai songs and chants are also performed during the dance. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:15, 15 July 2024 (UTC)'' </div> </div> <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27031540 --> == Tech News: 2024-29 == <section begin="technews-2024-W29"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/29|Translations]] are available. '''Tech News survey''' * Please [https://wikimediafoundation.limesurvey.net/758713?lang=en help us to improve Tech News by taking this short survey]. The goal is to better meet the needs of the various types of people who read Tech News. The survey will be open for 3 more days. The survey is covered by [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal:Tech_News_Survey_2024_Privacy_Statement this privacy statement]. Some translations are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] Wikimedia developers can now officially continue to use both [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Gerrit|Gerrit]] and [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/GitLab|GitLab]], due to a June 24 decision by the Wikimedia Foundation to support software development on both platforms. Gerrit and GitLab are both code repositories used by developers to write, review, and deploy the software code that supports the MediaWiki software that the wiki projects are built on, as well as the tools used by editors to create and improve content. This decision will safeguard the productivity of our developers and prevent problems in code review from affecting our users. More details are available in the [[mw:GitLab/Migration status|Migration status]] page. * The Wikimedia Foundation seeks applicants for the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Product and Technology Advisory Council/Proposal|Product and Technology Advisory Council]] (PTAC). This group will bring technical contributors and Wikimedia Foundation together to co-define a more resilient, future-proof technological platform. Council members will evaluate and consult on the movement's product and technical activities, so that we develop multi-generational projects. We are looking for a range of technical contributors across the globe, from a variety of Wikimedia projects. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Product and Technology Advisory Council/Proposal#Joining the PTAC as a technical volunteer|Please apply here by August 10]]. * Editors with rollback user-rights who use the Wikipedia App for Android can use the new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/Anti Vandalism|Edit Patrol]] features. These features include a new feed of Recent Changes, related links such as Undo and Rollback, and the ability to create and save a personal library of user talk messages to use while patrolling. If your wiki wants to make these features available to users who do not have rollback rights but have reached a certain edit threshold, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android#Contact us|you can contact the team]]. You can [[diffblog:2024/07/10/ِaddressing-vandalism-with-a-tap-the-journey-of-introducing-the-patrolling-feature-in-the-mobile-app/|read more about this project on Diff blog]]. * Editors who have access to [[m:Special:MyLanguage/The_Wikipedia_Library|The Wikipedia Library]] can once again use non-open access content in SpringerLinks, after the Foundation [[phab:T368865|contacted]] them to restore access. You can read more about [[m:Tech/News/Recently_resolved_community_tasks|this and 21 other community-submitted tasks that were completed last week]]. '''Changes later this week''' * This week, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Accessibility for reading/Updates/2024-07 deployments|dark mode will be available on a number of Wikipedias]], both desktop and mobile, for logged-in and logged-out users. Interface admins and user script maintainers are encouraged to check gadgets and user scripts in the dark mode, to find any hard-coded colors and fix them. There are some [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Recommendations for night mode compatibility on Wikimedia wikis|recommendations for dark mode compatibility]] to help. '''Future changes''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] Next week, functionaries, volunteers maintaining tools, and software development teams are invited to test the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]] feature on testwiki. Temporary accounts is a feature that will help improve privacy on the wikis. No further temporary account deployments are scheduled yet. Please [[mw:Talk:Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|share your opinions and questions on the project talk page]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T348895] * Editors who upload files cross-wiki, or teach other people how to do so, may wish to join a Wikimedia Commons discussion. The Commons community is discussing limiting who can upload files through the cross-wiki upload/Upload dialog feature to users auto-confirmed on Wikimedia Commons. This is due to the large amount of copyright violations uploaded this way. There is a short summary at [[c:Special:MyLanguage/Commons:Cross-wiki upload|Commons:Cross-wiki upload]] and [[c:Commons:Village pump/Proposals#Deactivate cross-wiki uploads for new users|discussion at Commons:Village Pump]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/29|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' You can also get other news from the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Bulletin|Wikimedia Foundation Bulletin]]. </div><section end="technews-2024-W29"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 01:31, 16 July 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27124561 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-30 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Rathaus-Glockenspiel]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:2019-11-16, Glockenspiel, Neues Münchner Rathaus, IMG 7463 edit Christoph Braun.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Rathaus-Glockenspiel''' is a large mechanical clock located in Marienplatz Square, in the heart of Munich, Germany. Famous for its life-size characters, the clock twice daily re-enacts scenes from Munich's history. First is the story of the marriage of Duke Wilhelm V to Renata of Lorraine in 1568, followed by the story of the Schäfflerstanz, also known as the coopers' dance. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:56, 22 July 2024 (UTC)'' </div> </div> <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27031540 --> == Tech News: 2024-30 == <section begin="technews-2024-W30"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/30|Translations]] are available. '''Feature News''' * Stewards can now [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Global_blocks|globally block]] accounts. Before [[phab:T17294|the change]] only IP addresses and IP ranges could be blocked globally. Global account blocks are useful when the blocked user should not be logged out. [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Global_locks|Global locks]] (a similar tool logging the user out of their account) are unaffected by this change. The new global account block feature is related to the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|Temporary Accounts]] project, which is a new type of user account that replaces IP addresses of unregistered editors that are no longer made public. * Later this week, Wikimedia site users will notice that the Interface of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:FlaggedRevs|FlaggedRevs]] (also known as "Pending Changes") is improved and consistent with the rest of the MediaWiki interface and [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Codex|Wikimedia's design system]]. The FlaggedRevs interface experience on mobile and [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Skin:MinervaNeue|Minerva skin]] was inconsistent before it was fixed and ported to [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Codex|Codex]] by the WMF Growth team and some volunteers. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T191156] * Wikimedia site users can now submit account vanishing requests via [[m:Special:GlobalVanishRequest|GlobalVanishRequest]]. This feature is used when a contributor wishes to stop editing forever. It helps you hide your past association and edit to protect your privacy. Once processed, the account will be locked and renamed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T367329] * Have you tried monitoring and addressing vandalism in Wikipedia using your phone? [https://diff.wikimedia.org/2024/07/10/%d9%90addressing-vandalism-with-a-tap-the-journey-of-introducing-the-patrolling-feature-in-the-mobile-app/ A Diff blog post on Patrolling features in the Mobile App] highlights some of the new capabilities of the feature, including swiping through a feed of recent changes and a personal library of user talk messages for use when patrolling from your phone. * Wikimedia contributors and GLAM (galleries, libraries, archives, and museums) organisations can now learn and measure the impact Wikimedia Commons is having towards creating quality encyclopedic content using the [https://doc.wikimedia.org/generated-data-platform/aqs/analytics-api/reference/commons.html Commons Impact Metrics] analytics dashboard. The dashboard offers organizations analytics on things like monthly edits in a category, the most viewed files, and which Wikimedia articles are using Commons images. As a result of these new data dumps, GLAM organisation can more reliably measure their return on investment for programs bringing content into the digital Commons. [https://diff.wikimedia.org/2024/07/19/commons-impact-metrics-now-available-via-data-dumps-and-api/] '''Project Updates''' * Come share your ideas for improving the wikis on the newly reopened [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist|Community Wishlist]]. The Community Wishlist is Wikimedia’s forum for volunteers to share ideas (called wishes) to improve how the wikis work. The new version of the wishlist is always open, works with both wikitext and Visual Editor, and allows wishes in any language. '''Learn more''' * Have you ever wondered how Wikimedia software works across over 300 languages? This is 253 languages more than the Google Chrome interface, and it's no accident. The Language and Product Localization Team at the Wikimedia Foundation supports your work by adapting all the tools and interfaces in the MediaWiki software so that contributors in our movement who translate pages and strings can translate them and have the sites in all languages. Read more about the team and their upcoming work on [https://diff.wikimedia.org/2024/07/17/building-towards-a-robust-multilingual-knowledge-ecosystem-for-the-wikimedia-movement/ Diff]. * How can Wikimedia build innovative and experimental products while maintaining such heavily used websites? A recent [https://diff.wikimedia.org/2024/07/09/on-the-value-of-experimentation/ blog post] by WMF staff Johan Jönsson highlights the work of the [[m:Future Audiences#Objectives and Key Results|WMF Future Audience initiative]], where the goal is not to build polished products but test out new ideas, such as a [[m:Future_Audiences/Experiments: conversational/generative AI|ChatGPT plugin]] and [[m:Future_Audiences/Experiment:Add a Fact|Add a Fact]], to help take Wikimedia into the future. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/30|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' You can also get other news from the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Bulletin|Wikimedia Foundation Bulletin]]. </div><section end="technews-2024-W30"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:05, 23 July 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27142915 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-31 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Nederlandsche Cocaïnefabriek]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:es:Nederlandsche Cocaïnefabriek]])&#32;([[:nl:Nederlandsche Cocaïnefabriek]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Nederlandsche Cocainefabriek Schinkelstraat Amsterdam architect HH Baanders 1902.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Nederlandsche Cocaïnefabriek''' (Dutch pronunciation: [ˈneːdərlɑntsə koːkaːˈinəfaːˌbrik]; English: Dutch Cocaine Factory) or NCF was an Amsterdam-based company producing cocaine for medical purposes in the 20th century. It imported its raw materials mainly from the Dutch East Indies and sold its products across Europe, making good profits especially in the early years of World War I. The NCF produced morphine, heroin and ephedrine as well. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:44, 29 July 2024 (UTC)'' </div> </div> <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27150339 --> == Tech News: 2024-31 == <section begin="technews-2024-W31"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/31|Translations]] are available. '''Feature news''' * Editors using the Visual Editor in languages that use non-Latin characters for numbers, such as Hindi, Manipuri and Eastern Arabic, may notice some changes in the formatting of reference numbers. This is a side effect of preparing a new sub-referencing feature, and will also allow fixing some general numbering issues in Visual Editor. If you notice any related problems on your wiki, please share details at the [[m:Talk:WMDE Technical Wishes/Sub-referencing|project talkpage]]. '''Bugs status''' * Some logged-in editors were briefly unable to edit or load pages last week. [[phab:T370304|These errors]] were mainly due to the addition of new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:Linter|linter]] rules which led to caching problems. Fixes have been applied and investigations are continuing. * Editors can use the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/IP Info|IP Information tool]] to get information about IP addresses. This tool is available as a Beta Feature in your preferences. The tool was not available for a few days last week, but is now working again. Thank you to Shizhao for filing the bug report. You can read about that, and [[m:Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks#2024-07-25|28 other community-submitted tasks]] that were resolved last week. '''Project updates''' * There are new features and improvements to Phabricator from the Release Engineering and Collaboration Services teams, and some volunteers, including: the search systems, the new task creation system, the login systems, the translation setup which has resulted in support for more languages (thanks to Pppery), and fixes for many edge-case errors. You can [[phab:phame/post/view/316/iterative_improvements/|read details about these and other improvements in this summary]]. * There is an [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project/Updates|update on the Charts project]]. The team has decided which visualization library to use, which chart types to start focusing on, and where to store chart definitions. * One new wiki has been created: a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikivoyage}} in [[d:Q9056|Czech]] ([[voy:cs:|<code>voy:cs:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T370905] '''Learn more''' * There is a [[diffblog:2024/07/26/the-journey-to-open-our-first-data-center-in-south-america/|new Wikimedia Foundation data center]] in São Paulo, Brazil which helps to reduce load times. * There is new [[diffblog:2024/07/22/the-perplexing-process-of-uploading-images-to-wikipedia/|user research]] on problems with the process of uploading images. * Commons Impact Metrics are [[diffblog:2024/07/19/commons-impact-metrics-now-available-via-data-dumps-and-api/|now available]] via data dumps and API. * The latest quarterly [[mw:Technical Community Newsletter/2024/July|Technical Community Newsletter]] is now available. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/31|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W31"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:11, 29 July 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27164109 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-32 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Suffrage drama]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Pamphlet from NAWSA for women's suffrage plays, page 1.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Suffrage drama''' (also known as suffrage plays or suffrage theatre) is a form of dramatic literature that emerged during the British women's suffrage movement in the early twentieth century. Suffrage performances lasted approximately from 1907-1914. Many suffrage plays called for a predominant or all female cast. Suffrage plays served to reveal issues behind the suffrage movement. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:13, 5 August 2024 (UTC)'' </div> </div> <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27150339 --> == Tech News: 2024-32 == <section begin="technews-2024-W32"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/32|Translations]] are available. '''Feature news''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] Two new parser functions will be available this week: <code><nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Magic_words#dir|#dir]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki></code> and <code><nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Magic_words#bcp47|#bcp47]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki></code>. These will reduce the need for <code>Template:Dir</code> and <code>Template:BCP47</code> on Commons and allow us to [[phab:T343131|drop 100 million rows]] from the "what links here" database. Editors at any wiki that use these templates, can help by replacing the templates with these new functions. The templates at Commons will be updated during the Hackathon at Wikimania. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T359761][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T366623] * Communities can request the activation of the visual editor on entire namespaces where discussions sometimes happen (for instance ''Wikipedia:'' or ''Wikisource:'' namespaces) if they understand the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:VisualEditor/FAQ#WPNS|known limitations]]. For discussions, users can already use [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:DiscussionTools|DiscussionTools]] in these namespaces. * The tracking category "Pages using Timeline" has been renamed to "Pages using the EasyTimeline extension" [https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translations?message=MediaWiki%3ATimeline-tracking-category&namespace=8 in TranslateWiki]. Wikis that have created the category locally should rename their local creation to match. '''Project updates''' * Editors who help to organize WikiProjects and similar on-wiki collaborations, are invited to share ideas and examples of successful collaborations with the Campaigns and Programs teams. You can fill out [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Campaigns/WikiProjects|a brief survey]] or share your thoughts [[m:Talk:Campaigns/WikiProjects|on the talkpage]]. The teams are particularly looking for details about successful collaborations on non-English wikis. * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] The new parser is being rolled out on {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikivoyage}} wikis over the next few months. The {{int:project-localized-name-enwikivoyage}} and {{int:project-localized-name-hewikivoyage}} were [[phab:T365367|switched]] to Parsoid last week. For more information, see [[mw:Parsoid/Parser_Unification|Parsoid/Parser Unification]]. '''Learn more''' * There will be more than 200 sessions at Wikimania this week. Here is a summary of some of the [[diffblog:2024/08/05/interested-in-product-and-tech-here-are-some-wikimania-sessions-you-dont-want-to-miss/|key sessions related to the product and technology area]]. * The latest [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Bulletin/2024/07-02|Wikimedia Foundation Bulletin]] is available. * The latest quarterly [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Language and Product Localization/Newsletter/2024/July|Language and Internationalization newsletter]] is available. It includes: New design previews for Translatable pages; Updates about MinT for Wiki Readers; the release of Translation dumps; and more. * The latest quarterly [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Newsletters/31|Growth newsletter]] is available. * The latest monthly [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/MediaWiki Product Insights/Reports/July 2024|MediaWiki Product Insights newsletter]] is available. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/32|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W32"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 20:44, 5 August 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27233905 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-33 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Karatgurk]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:it:Karatgurk]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> In the Australian Aboriginal mythology of the Aboriginal people of south-eastern Australian state of Victoria, the '''Karatgurk''' were seven sisters who represented the constellation known in western astronomy as the Pleiades. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:13, 12 August 2024 (UTC)'' </div> </div> <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27264174 --> == Tech News: 2024-33 == <section begin="technews-2024-W33"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/33|Translations]] are available. '''Feature news''' * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:AbuseFilter|AbuseFilter]] editors and maintainers can now [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:AbuseFilter/Actions#Show a CAPTCHA|make a CAPTCHA show if a filter matches an edit]]. This allows communities to quickly respond to spamming by automated bots. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T20110] * [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Stewards|Stewards]] can now specify if global blocks should prevent account creation. Before [[phab:T17273|this change]] by the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product|Trust and Safety Product]] Team, all global blocks would prevent account creation. This will allow stewards to reduce the unintended side-effects of global blocks on IP addresses. '''Project updates''' * [[wikitech:Help talk:Toolforge/Toolforge standards committee#August_2024_committee_nominations|Nominations are open on Wikitech]] for new members to refresh the [[wikitech:Help:Toolforge/Toolforge standards committee|Toolforge standards committee]]. The committee oversees the Toolforge [[wikitech:Help:Toolforge/Right to fork policy|Right to fork policy]] and [[wikitech:Help:Toolforge/Abandoned tool policy|Abandoned tool policy]] among other duties. Nominations will remain open until at least 2024-08-26. * One new wiki has been created: a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia}} in [[d:Q2880037|West Coast Bajau]] ([[w:bdr:|<code>w:bdr:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T371757] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/33|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W33"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:22, 12 August 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27253654 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-34 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:B1 (classification)]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''B1''' is a medical-based Paralympic classification for blind sport. Athletes in this classification are totally or almost totally blind. It is used by a number of blind sports including blind tennis, para-alpine skiing, para-Nordic skiing, blind cricket, blind golf, five-a-side football, goalball and judo. Some other sports, including adaptive rowing, athletics and swimming, have equivalents to this class. The B1 classification was first created by the IBSA in the 1970s, and has largely remained unchanged since despite an effort by the International Paralympic Committee (IPC) to move towards a more functional and evidence-based classification system. Classification is often handled on the international level by the International Blind Sports Federation (IBSA) but it sometimes handled by national sport federations. There are exceptions for sports like athletics and cycling, where classification is handled by their own governing bodies. Equipment utilized by competitors in this class may differ from sport to sport, and may include sighted guides, guide rails, beeping balls and clapsticks. There may be some modifications related to equipment and rules to specifically address needs of competitors in this class to allow them to compete in specific sports. Some sports specifically do not allow a guide, whereas cycling and skiing require one. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:56, 19 August 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27278917 --> == Tech News: 2024-34 == <section begin="technews-2024-W34"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/34|Translations]] are available. '''Feature news''' * Editors who want to re-use references but with different details such as page numbers, will be able to do so by the end of 2024, using a new [[m:Special:MyLanguage/WMDE Technical Wishes/Sub-referencing#Sub-referencing in a nutshell|sub-referencing]] feature. You can read more [[m:Special:MyLanguage/WMDE Technical Wishes/Sub-referencing|about the project]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/WMDE Technical Wishes/Sub-referencing#Test|how to test the prototype]]. * Editors using tracking categories to identify which pages use specific extensions may notice that six of the categories have been renamed to make them more easily understood and consistent. These categories are automatically added to pages that use specialized MediaWiki extensions. The affected names are for: [https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translations?message=MediaWiki%3Aintersection-category&namespace=8 DynamicPageList], [https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translations?message=MediaWiki%3Akartographer-tracking-category&namespace=8 Kartographer], [https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translations?message=MediaWiki%3Aphonos-tracking-category&namespace=8 Phonos], [https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translations?message=MediaWiki%3Arss-tracking-category&namespace=8 RSS], [https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translations?message=MediaWiki%3Ascore-use-category&namespace=8 Score], [https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translations?message=MediaWiki%3Awikihiero-usage-tracking-category&namespace=8 WikiHiero]. Wikis that have created the category locally should rename their local creation to match. Thanks to Pppery for these improvements. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T347324] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] Technical volunteers who edit modules and want to get a list of the categories used on a page, can now do so using the <code><bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr">categories</bdi></code> property of <code><bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr">[[mediawikiwiki:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Scribunto/Lua reference manual#Title objects|mw.title objects]]</bdi></code>. This enables wikis to configure workflows such as category-specific edit notices. Thanks to SD001 for these improvements. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T50175][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85372] '''Bugs status''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] Your help is needed to check if any pages need to be moved or deleted. A maintenance script was run to clean up unreachable pages (due to Unicode issues or introduction of new namespaces/namespace aliases). The script tried to find appropriate names for the pages (e.g. by following the Unicode changes or by moving pages whose titles on Wikipedia start with <code>Talk:WP:</code> so that their titles start with <code>Wikipedia talk:</code>), but it may have failed for some pages, and moved them to <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr">[[Special:PrefixIndex/T195546/]]</bdi> instead. Your community should check if any pages are listed there, and move them to the correct titles, or delete them if they are no longer needed. A full log (including pages for which appropriate names could be found) is available in [[phab:P67388]]. * Editors who volunteer as [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Mentorship|mentors]] to newcomers on their wiki are once again able to access lists of potential mentees who they can connect with to offer help and guidance. This functionality was restored thanks to [[phab:T372164|a bug fix]]. Thank you to Mbch331 for filing the bug report. You can read about that, and 18 other community-submitted tasks that were [[m:Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Project updates''' * The application deadline for the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Product and Technology Advisory Council/Proposal|Product & Technology Advisory Council]] (PTAC) has been extended to September 16. Members will help by providing advice to Foundation Product and Technology leadership on short and long term plans, on complex strategic problems, and help to get feedback from more contributors and technical communities. Selected members should expect to spend roughly 5 hours per month for the Council, during the one year pilot. Please consider applying, and spread the word to volunteers you think would make a positive contribution to the committee. '''Learn more''' * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Coolest Tool Award#2024 Winners|2024 Coolest Tool Awards]] were awarded at Wikimania, in seven categories. For example, one award went to the ISA Tool, used for adding structured data to files on Commons, which was recently improved during the [[m:Event:Wiki Mentor Africa ISA Hackathon 2024|Wiki Mentor Africa Hackathon]]. You can see video demonstrations of each tool at the awards page. Congratulations to this year's recipients, and thank you to all tool creators and maintainers. * The latest [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Bulletin/2024/08-01|Wikimedia Foundation Bulletin]] is available, and includes some highlights from Wikimania, an upcoming Language community meeting, and other news from the movement. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/34|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W34"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:54, 20 August 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27307284 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-35 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Erzi (village)]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Caucasus, Ingushetia, Ингушские боевые и смотровые башни, горы Кавказа.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Erzi''' (Russian: Эрзи; Ingush: Аьрзи, romanized: Ärzi, lit. 'Eagle') is a medieval village (aul) in the Dzheyrakhsky District of Ingushetia. It is part of the rural settlement (administrative center) of Olgeti. The entire territory of the settlement is included in the Dzheyrakh-Assa State Historical-Architectural and Natural Museum-Reserve and is under state protection. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 03:19, 26 August 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27345183 --> == Tech News: 2024-35 == <section begin="technews-2024-W35"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/35|Translations]] are available. '''Feature news''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] Administrators can now test the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]] feature on test2wiki. This was done to allow cross-wiki testing of temporary accounts, for when temporary accounts switch between projects. The feature was enabled on testwiki a few weeks ago. No further temporary account deployments are scheduled yet. Temporary Accounts is a project to create a new type of user account that replaces IP addresses of unregistered editors which are no longer made public. Please [[mw:Talk:Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|share your opinions and questions on the project talk page]]. * Later this week, editors at wikis that use [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:FlaggedRevs|FlaggedRevs]] (also known as "Pending Changes") may notice that the indicators at the top of articles have changed. This change makes the system more consistent with the rest of the MediaWiki interface. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T191156] '''Bugs status''' * Editors who use the 2010 wikitext editor, and use the Character Insert buttons, will [[phab:T361465|no longer]] experience problems with the buttons adding content into the edit-summary instead of the edit-window. You can read more about that, and 26 other community-submitted tasks that were [[m:Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Project updates''' * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]] Please review and vote on [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist/Focus areas|Focus Areas]], which are groups of wishes that share a problem. Focus Areas were created for the newly reopened Community Wishlist, which is now open year-round for submissions. The first batch of focus areas are specific to moderator workflows, around welcoming newcomers, minimizing repetitive tasks, and prioritizing tasks. Once volunteers have reviewed and voted on focus areas, the Foundation will then review and select focus areas for prioritization. * Do you have a project and are willing to provide a three (3) month mentorship for an intern? [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Outreachy|Outreachy]] is a twice a year program for people to participate in a paid internship that will start in December 2024 and end in early March 2025, and they need mentors and projects to work on. Projects can be focused on coding or non-coding (design, documentation, translation, research). See the Outreachy page for more details, and a list of past projects since 2013. '''Learn more''' * If you're curious about the product and technology improvements made by the Wikimedia Foundation last year, read [[diffblog:2024/08/21/wikimedia-foundation-product-technology-improving-the-user-experience/|this recent highlights summary on Diff]]. * To learn more about the technology behind the Wikimedia projects, you can now watch sessions from the technology track at Wikimania 2024 on Commons. This week, check out: ** [[c:File:Wikimania 2024 - Ohrid - Day 2 - Community Configuration - Shaping On-Wiki Functionality Together.webm|Community Configuration - Shaping On-Wiki Functionality Together]] (55 mins) - about the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Community Configuration|Community Configuration]] project. ** [[c:File:Wikimania 2024 - Belgrade - Day 1 - Future of MediaWiki. A sustainable platform to support a collaborative user base and billions of page views.webm|Future of MediaWiki. A sustainable platform to support a collaborative user base and billions of page views]] (30 mins) - an overview for both technical and non technical audiences, covering some of the challenges and open questions, related to the [[mw:MediaWiki Product Insights|platform evolution, stewardship and developer experiences]] research. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/35|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W35"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 20:34, 26 August 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27341211 --> == Tech News: 2024-36 == <section begin="technews-2024-W36"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/36|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * Editors and volunteer developers interested in data visualisation can now test the new software for charts. Its early version is available on beta Commons and beta Wikipedia. This is an important milestone before making charts available on regular wikis. You can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project/Updates|read more about this project update]] and help to test the charts. '''Feature news''' * Editors who use the [[{{#special:Unusedtemplates}}]] page can now filter out pages which are expected to be there permanently, such as sandboxes, test-cases, and templates that are always substituted. Editors can add the new magic word [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Magic words#EXPECTUNUSEDTEMPLATE|<code dir="ltr"><nowiki>__EXPECTUNUSEDTEMPLATE__</nowiki></code>]] to a template page to hide it from the listing. Thanks to Sophivorus and DannyS712 for these improvements. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184633] * Editors who use the New Topic tool on discussion pages, will [[phab:T334163|now be reminded]] to add a section header, which should help reduce the quantity of newcomers who add sections without a header. You can read more about that, and {{formatnum:28}} other community-submitted tasks that were [[m:Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. * Last week, some Toolforge tools had occasional connection problems. The cause is still being investigated, but the problems have been resolved for now. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T373243] * Translation administrators at multilingual wikis, when editing multiple translation units, can now easily mark which changes require updates to the translation. This is possible with the [[phab:T298852#10087288|new dropdown menu]]. '''Project updates''' * A new draft text of a policy discussing the use of Wikimedia's APIs [[m:Special:MyLanguage/API Policy Update 2024|has been published on Meta-Wiki]]. The draft text does not reflect a change in policy around the APIs; instead, it is an attempt to codify existing API rules. Comments, questions, and suggestions are welcome on [[m:Talk:API Policy Update 2024|the proposed update’s talk page]] until September 13 or until those discussions have concluded. '''Learn more''' * To learn more about the technology behind the Wikimedia projects, you can now watch sessions from the technology track at Wikimania 2024 on Commons. This week, check out: ** [[c:File:Wikimania 2024 - Ohrid - Day 2 - Charts, the successor of Graphs - A secure and extensible tool for data visualization.webm|Charts, the successor of Graphs - A secure and extensible tool for data visualization]] (25 mins) – about the above-mentioned Charts project. ** [[c:File:Wikimania 2024 - Ohrid - Day 3 - State of Language Technology and Onboarding at Wikimedia.webm|State of Language Technology and Onboarding at Wikimedia]] (90 mins) – about some of the language tools that support Wikimedia sites, such as [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Content translation|Content]]/[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Content translation/Section translation|Section Translation]], [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/MinT|MinT]], and LanguageConverter; also the current state and future of languages onboarding. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T368772] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/36|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W36"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 01:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27390268 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-37 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Cappadocian calendar]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Cappadocian calendar''' was a solar calendar that was derived from the Persian Zoroastrian calendar. It is named after the historic region Cappadocia in present-day Turkey, where it was used. The calendar, which had 12 months of 30 days each and five epagomenal days, originated between 550 and 330 BC, when Cappadocia was part of the Persian Achaemenid Empire. The Cappadocian calendar was identical to the Zoroastrian calendar; this can be seen in its structure, in the Avestan names and in the order of the months. The Cappadocian calendar reflects the Iranian cultural influence in the region. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:42, 9 September 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27357319 --> == Tech News: 2024-37 == <section begin="technews-2024-W37"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/37|Translations]] are available. '''Feature news''' * Starting this week, the standard [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CodeMirror|syntax highlighter]] will receive new colors that make them compatible in dark mode. This is the first of many changes to come as part of a major upgrade to syntax highlighting. You can learn more about what's to come on the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror|help page]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T365311][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T259059] * Editors of wikis using Wikidata will now be notified of only relevant Wikidata changes in their watchlist. This is because the Lua functions <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>entity:getSitelink()</code></bdi> and <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>mw.wikibase.getSitelink(qid)</code></bdi> will have their logic unified for tracking different aspects of sitelinks to reduce junk notifications from [[m:Wikidata For Wikimedia Projects/Projects/Watchlist Wikidata Sitelinks Tracking|inconsistent sitelinks tracking]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T295356] '''Project updates''' * Users of all Wikis will have access to Wikimedia sites as read-only for a few minutes on September 25, starting at 15:00 UTC. This is a planned datacenter switchover for maintenance purposes. More information will be published in Tech News and will also be posted on individual wikis in the coming weeks. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T370962] * Contributors of [[phab:T363538#10123348|11 Wikipedias]], including English will have a new <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>MOS</code></bdi> namespace added to their Wikipedias. This improvement ensures that links beginning with <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>MOS:</code></bdi> (usually shortcuts to the [[w:en:Wikipedia:Manual of Style|Manual of Style]]) are not broken by [[w:en:Mooré|Mooré]] Wikipedia (language code <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>mos</code></bdi>). [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T363538] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/37|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W37"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 18:53, 9 September 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27424457 --> == Tech News: 2024-38 == <section begin="technews-2024-W38"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/38|Translations]] are available. '''Improvements and Maintenance''' * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]] Editors interested in templates can help by reading the latest Wishlist focus area, [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist/Focus areas/Template recall and discovery|Template recall and discovery]], and share your feedback on the talkpage. This input helps the Community Tech team to decide the right technical approach to build. Everyone is also encouraged to continue adding [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist|new wishes]]. * The new automated [[{{#special:NamespaceInfo}}]] page helps editors understand which [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Namespaces|namespaces]] exist on each wiki, and some details about how they are configured. Thanks to DannyS712 for these improvements. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T263513] * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Edit check#Reference check|References Check]] is a feature that encourages editors to add a citation when they add a new paragraph to a Wikipedia article. For a short time, the corresponding tag "Edit Check (references) activated" was erroneously being applied to some edits outside of the main namespace. This has been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T373692] * It is now possible for a wiki community to change the order in which a page’s categories are displayed on their wiki. By default, categories are displayed in the order they appear in the wikitext. Now, wikis with a consensus to do so can [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Requesting wiki configuration changes|request]] a configuration change to display them in alphabetical order. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T373480] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] Tool authors can now access ToolsDB's [[wikitech:Portal:Data Services#ToolsDB|public databases]] from both [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Research:Quarry|Quarry]] and [[wikitech:Superset|Superset]]. Those databases have always been accessible to every [[wikitech:Portal:Toolforge|Toolforge]] user, but they are now more broadly accessible, as Quarry can be accessed by anyone with a Wikimedia account. In addition, Quarry's internal database can now be [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Research:Quarry#Querying Quarry's own database|queried from Quarry itself]]. This database contains information about all queries that are being run and starred by users in Quarry. This information was already public through the web interface, but you can now query it using SQL. You can read more about that, and {{formatnum:20}} other community-submitted tasks that were [[m:Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. * Any pages or tools that still use the very old CSS classes <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>mw-message-box</code></bdi> need to be updated. These old classes will be removed next week or soon afterwards. Editors can use a [https://global-search.toolforge.org/?q=mw-message-box&regex=1&namespaces=&title= global-search] to determine what needs to be changed. It is possible to use the newer <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>cdx-message</code></bdi> group of classes as a replacement (see [https://doc.wikimedia.org/codex/latest/components/demos/message.html#css-only-version the relevant Codex documentation], and [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tech/Header&diff=prev&oldid=27449042 an example update]), but using locally defined onwiki classes would be best. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T374499] '''Technical project updates''' * Next week, all Wikimedia wikis will be read-only for a few minutes. This will start on September 25 at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1727276400 15:00 UTC]. This is a planned datacenter switchover for maintenance purposes. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/Server switch|This maintenance process also targets other services.]] The previous switchover took 3 minutes, and the Site Reliability Engineering teams use many tools to make sure that this essential maintenance work happens as quickly as possible. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T370962] '''Tech in depth''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] The latest monthly [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/MediaWiki Product Insights/Reports/August 2024|MediaWiki Product Insights newsletter]] is available. This edition includes details about: research about [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Hooks|hook]] handlers to help simplify development, research about performance improvements, work to improve the REST API for end-users, and more. * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] To learn more about the technology behind the Wikimedia projects, you can now watch sessions from the technology track at Wikimania 2024 on Commons. This week, check out: ** [[c:File:Wikimania 2024 - Auditorium Kyiv - Day 4 - Hackathon Showcase.webm|Hackathon Showcase]] (45 mins) - 19 short presentations by some of the Hackathon participants, describing some of the projects they worked on, such as automated testing of maintenance scripts, a video-cutting command line tool, and interface improvements for various tools. There are [[phab:T369234|more details and links available]] in the Phabricator task. ** [[c:File:Co-Creating a Sustainable Future for the Toolforge Ecosystem.webm|Co-Creating a Sustainable Future for the Toolforge Ecosystem]] (40 mins) - a roundtable discussion for tool-maintainers, users, and supporters of Toolforge about how to make the platform sustainable and how to evaluate the tools available there. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/38|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W38"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:03, 17 September 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27460876 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-39 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Independence Day (Albania)]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Independence Day''' (Albanian: Dita e Pavarësisë) is a public holiday in Albania observed on 28 November. It commemorates the Albanian Declaration of Independence (from the Ottoman Empire), which was ratified by the All-Albanian Congress on 28 November 1912, establishing the state of Albania. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 00:29, 23 September 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27456350 --> == Tech News: 2024-39 == <section begin="technews-2024-W39"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/39|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * All wikis will be [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/Server switch|read-only]] for a few minutes on Wednesday September 25 at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1727276400 15:00 UTC]. Reading the wikis will not be interrupted, but editing will be paused. These twice-yearly processes allow WMF's site reliability engineering teams to remain prepared to keep the wikis functioning even in the event of a major interruption to one of our data centers. '''Updates for editors''' [[File:Add alt text from a halfsheet, with the article behind.png|thumb|A screenshot of the interface for the Alt Text suggested-edit feature]] * Editors who use the iOS Wikipedia app in Spanish, Portuguese, French, or Chinese, may see the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/iOS Suggested edits project/Alt Text Experiment|Alt Text suggested-edit experiment]] after editing an article, or completing a suggested edit using "[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/iOS Suggested edits project#Hypothesis 2 Add an Image Suggested Edit|Add an image]]". Alt-text helps people with visual impairments to read Wikipedia articles. The team aims to learn if adding alt-text to images is a task that editors can be successful with. Please share any feedback on [[mw:Talk:Wikimedia Apps/iOS Suggested edits project/Alt Text Experiment|the discussion page]]. * The Codex color palette has been updated with new and revised colors for the MediaWiki user interfaces. The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Design System Team/Color/Design documentation#Updates|most noticeable changes]] for editors include updates for: dark mode colors for Links and for quiet Buttons (progressive and destructive), visited Link colors for both light and dark modes, and background colors for system-messages in both light and dark modes. * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] It is now possible to include clickable wikilinks and external links inside code blocks. This includes links that are used within <code><nowiki><syntaxhighlight></nowiki></code> tags and on code pages (JavaScript, CSS, Scribunto and Sanitized CSS). Uses of template syntax <code><nowiki>{{…}}</nowiki></code> are also linked to the template page. Thanks to SD0001 for these improvements. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T368166] * Two bugs were fixed in the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Account vanishing|GlobalVanishRequest]] system by improving the logging and by removing an incorrect placeholder message. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T370595][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T372223] * View all {{formatnum:25}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:25|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] From [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Enterprise|Wikimedia Enterprise]]: ** The API now enables 5,000 on-demand API requests per month and twice-monthly HTML snapshots freely (gratis and libre). More information on the updates and also improvements to the software development kits (SDK) are explained on [https://enterprise.wikimedia.com/blog/enhanced-free-api/ the project's blog post]. While Wikimedia Enterprise APIs are designed for high-volume commercial reusers, this change enables many more community use-cases to be built on the service too. ** The Snapshot API (html dumps) have added beta Structured Contents endpoints ([https://enterprise.wikimedia.com/blog/structured-contents-snapshot-api/ blog post on that]) as well as released two beta datasets (English and French Wikipedia) from that endpoint to Hugging Face for public use and feedback ([https://enterprise.wikimedia.com/blog/hugging-face-dataset/ blog post on that]). These pre-parsed data sets enable new options for researchers, developers, and data scientists to use and study the content. '''In depth''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] The Wikidata Query Service (WDQS) is used to get answers to questions using the Wikidata data set. As Wikidata grows, we had to make a major architectural change so that WDQS could remain performant. As part of the [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:SPARQL query service/WDQS graph split|WDQS Graph Split project]], we have new SPARQL endpoints available for serving the "[https://query-scholarly.wikidata.org scholarly]" and "[https://query-main.wikidata.org main]" subgraphs of Wikidata. The [http://query.wikidata.org query.wikidata.org endpoint] will continue to serve the full Wikidata graph until March 2025. After this date, it will only serve the main graph. For more information, please see [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:SPARQL query service/WDQS backend update/September 2024 scaling update|the announcement on Wikidata]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/39|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W39"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:37, 23 September 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27493779 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-40 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Wildlife of Bahrain]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Birds in Al-Areen Wildlife Park.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The wildlife of the archipelago of Bahrain, is more varied than might be expected of this small group of islands in the Persian Gulf. Apart from a strip of the north and west of the main island, where crops are grown with irrigation, the land is arid. With a very hot dry summer, a mild winter, and brackish groundwater, the plants need adaptations in order to survive. Nevertheless, 196 species of higher plant have been recorded here, as well as about seventeen species of terrestrial mammals, many birds and reptiles, and many migratory birds visit the islands in autumn and spring. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:57, 30 September 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27456350 --> == Tech News: 2024-40 == <section begin="technews-2024-W40"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/40|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * Readers of [[phab:T375401|42 more wikis]] can now use Dark Mode. If the option is not yet available for logged-out users of your wiki, this is likely because many templates do not yet display well in Dark Mode. Please use the [https://night-mode-checker.wmcloud.org/ night-mode-checker tool] if you are interested in helping to reduce the number of issues. The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Recommendations for night mode compatibility on Wikimedia wikis|recommendations page]] provides guidance on this. Dark Mode is enabled on additional wikis once per month. * Editors using the 2010 wikitext editor as their default can access features from the 2017 wikitext editor by adding <code dir=ltr>?veaction=editsource</code> to the URL. If you would like to enable the 2017 wikitext editor as your default, it can be set in [[Special:Preferences#mw-input-wpvisualeditor-newwikitext|your preferences]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T239796] * For logged-out readers using the Vector 2022 skin, the "donate" link has been moved from a collapsible menu next to the content area into a more prominent top menu, next to "Create an account". This restores the link to the level of prominence it had in the Vector 2010 skin. [[mw:Readers/2024 Reader and Donor Experiences#Donor Experiences (Key Result WE 3.2 and the related hypotheses)|Learn more]] about the changes related to donor experiences. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T373585] * The CampaignEvents extension provides tools for organizers to more easily manage events, communicate with participants, and promote their events on the wikis. The extension has been [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents/Deployment status|enabled]] on Arabic Wikipedia, Igbo Wikipedia, Swahili Wikipedia, and Meta-Wiki. [[w:zh:Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他#引進CampaignEvents擴充功能|Chinese Wikipedia has decided]] to enable the extension, and discussions on the extension are in progress [[w:es:Wikipedia:Votaciones/2024/Sobre la política de Organizadores de Eventos|on Spanish Wikipedia]] and [[d:Wikidata:Project chat#Enabling the CampaignEvents Extention on Wikidata|on Wikidata]]. To learn how to enable the extension on your wiki, you can visit [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents|the CampaignEvents page on Meta-Wiki]]. * View all {{formatnum:22}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:22|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Developers with an account on Wikitech-wiki should [[wikitech:Wikitech/SUL-migration|check if any action is required]] for their accounts. The wiki is being changed to use the single-user-login (SUL) system, and other configuration changes. This change will help reduce the overall complexity for the weekly software updates across all our wikis. '''In depth''' * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/Server switch|server switch]] was completed successfully last week with a read-only time of [[wikitech:Switch Datacenter#Past Switches|only 2 minutes 46 seconds]]. This periodic process makes sure that engineers can switch data centers and keep all of the wikis available for readers, even if there are major technical issues. It also gives engineers a chance to do maintenance and upgrades on systems that normally run 24 hours a day, and often helps to reveal weaknesses in the infrastructure. The process involves dozens of software services and hundreds of hardware servers, and requires multiple teams working together. Work over the past few years has reduced the time from 17 minutes down to 2–3 minutes. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/66ZW7B2MG63AESQVTXDIFQBDBS766JGW/] '''Meetings and events''' * October 4–6: [[m:Special:MyLanguage/WikiIndaba conference 2024|WikiIndaba Conference's Hackathon]] in Johannesburg, South Africa * November 4–6: [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/MediaWiki Users and Developers Conference Fall 2024|MediaWiki Users and Developers Conference Fall 2024]] in Vienna, Austria '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/40|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W40"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 22:21, 30 September 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27530062 --> == Tech News: 2024-41 == <section begin="technews-2024-W41"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/41|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * Communities can now request installation of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Moderator Tools/Automoderator|Automoderator]] on their wiki. Automoderator is an automated anti-vandalism tool that reverts bad edits based on scores from the new "Revert Risk" machine learning model. You can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:AutoModerator/Deploying|read details about the necessary steps]] for installation and configuration. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T336934] '''Updates for editors''' * Translators in wikis where [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Content translation/Section translation#Try the tool|the mobile experience of Content Translation is available]], can now customize their articles suggestion list from 41 filtering options when using the tool. This topic-based article suggestion feature makes it easy for translators to self-discover relevant articles based on their area of interest and translate them. You can [https://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ContentTranslation&active-list=suggestions try it with your mobile device]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T368422] * View all {{formatnum:12}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:12|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * It is now possible for <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki><syntaxhighlight></nowiki></code></bdi> code blocks to offer readers a "Copy" button if the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>copy=1</nowiki></code></bdi> attribute is [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:SyntaxHighlight#copy|set on the tag]]. Thanks to SD0001 for these improvements. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T40932] * Customized copyright footer messages on all wikis will be updated. The new versions will use wikitext markup instead of requiring editing raw HTML. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T375789] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] Later this month, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]] will be rolled out on several pilot wikis. The final list of the wikis will be published in the second half of the month. If you maintain any tools, bots, or gadgets on [[phab:T376499|these 11 wikis]], and your software is using data about IP addresses or is available for logged-out users, please check if it needs to be updated to work with temporary accounts. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/For developers|Guidance on how to update the code is available]]. * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] Rate limiting has been enabled for the code review tools [[Wikitech:Gerrit|Gerrit]] and [[Wikitech:GitLab|GitLab]] to address ongoing issues caused by malicious traffic and scraping. Clients that open too many concurrent connections will be restricted for a few minutes. This rate limiting is managed through [[Wikitech:nftables|nftables]] firewall rules. For more details, see Wikitech's pages on [[Wikitech:Firewall#Throttling with nftables|Firewall]], [[Wikitech:GitLab/Abuse and rate limiting|GitLab limits]] and [[Wikitech:Gerrit/Operations#Throttling IPs|Gerrit operations]]. * Five new wikis have been created: ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia}} in [[d:Q49224|Komering]] ([[w:kge:|<code>w:kge:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T374813] ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia}} in [[d:Q36096|Mooré]] ([[m:mos:|<code>m:mos:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T374641] ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wiktionary}} in [[d:Q36213|Madurese]] ([[wikt:mad:|<code>wikt:mad:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T374968] ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikiquote}} in [[d:Q2501174|Gorontalo]] ([[q:gor:|<code>q:gor:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T375088] ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikinews}} in [[d:Q56482|Shan]] ([[n:shn:|<code>n:shn:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T375430] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/41|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W41"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:43, 7 October 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27557422 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-42 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Little Danes experiment]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:fa:آزمایش دانمارکی‌های کوچک]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Children play at a Danish Red Cross-run orphanage in Greenland.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''little Danes experiment''' was a 1951 Danish operation where 22 Greenlandic Inuit children were sent to Danish foster families in an attempt to re-educate them as "little Danes". While the children were all supposed to be orphans, most were not. Six children were adopted while in Denmark, and sixteen returned to Greenland, only to be placed in Danish-speaking orphanages and never live with their families again. Half of the children experienced mental health disturbances, and half of them died in young adulthood. The government of Denmark officially apologised in 2020, after several years of demands from Greenlandic officials. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 03:16, 14 October 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27572997 --> == Tech News: 2024-42 == <section begin="technews-2024-W42"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/42|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * The Structured Discussion extension (also known as Flow) is starting to be removed. This extension is unmaintained and causes issues. It will be replaced by [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:DiscussionTools|DiscussionTools]], which is used on any regular talk page. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Structured Discussions/Deprecation#Deprecation timeline|A first set of wikis]] are being contacted. These wikis are invited to stop using Flow, and to move all Flow boards to sub-pages, as archives. At these wikis, a script will move all Flow pages that aren't a sub-page to a sub-page automatically, starting on 22 October 2024. On 28 October 2024, all Flow boards at these wikis will be set in read-only mode. [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Structured_Discussions/Deprecation][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T370722] * WMF's Search Platform team is working on making it easier for readers to perform text searches in their language. A [[phab:T332342|change last week]] on over 30 languages makes it easier to find words with accents and other diacritics. This applies to both full-text search and to types of advanced search such as the <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">''hastemplate''</bdi> and <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">''incategory''</bdi> keywords. More technical details (including a few other minor search upgrades) are available. [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:TJones_%28WMF%29/Notes/Language_Analyzer_Harmonization_Notes#ASCII-folding/ICU-folding_%28T332342%29] * View all {{formatnum:20}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:20|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Edit check|EditCheck]] was installed at Russian Wikipedia, and fixes were made for some missing user interface styles. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Editors who use the Toolforge tool [[toolforge:copyvios|Earwig's Copyright Violation Detector]] will now be required to log in with their Wikimedia account before running checks using the "search engine" option. This change is needed to help prevent external bots from misusing the system. Thanks to Chlod for these improvements. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#Authentication_is_now_required_for_search_engine_checks_on_Earwig's_Copyvio_Tool] * [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Phabricator|Phabricator]] users can create tickets and add comments on existing tickets via Email again. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Phabricator/Help#Using email|Sending email to Phabricator]] has been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T356077] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] Some HTML elements in the interface are now wrapped with a <code><nowiki><bdi></nowiki></code> element, to make our HTML output more aligned with Web standards. More changes like this will be coming in future weeks. This change might break some tools that rely on the previous HTML structure of the interface. Note that relying on the HTML structure of the interface is [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Stable interface policy/Frontend#What is not stable?|not recommended]] and might break at any time. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T375975] '''In depth''' * The latest monthly [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/MediaWiki Product Insights/Reports/September 2024|MediaWiki Product Insights newsletter]] is available. This edition includes: updates on Wikimedia's authentication system, research to simplify feature development in the MediaWiki platform, updates on Parser Unification and MathML rollout, and more. * The latest quarterly [[mw:Technical Community Newsletter/2024/October|Technical Community Newsletter]] is now available. This edition include: research about improving topic suggestions related to countries, improvements to PHPUnit tests, and more. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/42|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W42"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 21:22, 14 October 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27597254 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-43 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Kharayeb]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Muharram 1Oth-Ashouraa 2007 in Kharayeb - panoramio.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Kharayeb''' (Arabic: الخرايب) is a historic town in the Sidon District in the South Governorate, Lebanon. The town is 77 km (48 mi) south of Beirut, and stands at an average altitude of 190 m (620 ft) above sea level. The town boasts a rich historical legacy, with archaeological excavations revealing a complex settlement history spanning from Prehistory to the Ottoman period. Notably, Kharayeb's origins can be traced back to the Persian period (539–330 BC), when it played a pivotal role in the region's agricultural and economic landscape, culminating in the construction of its Phoenician temple around the 6th century BC. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:38, 21 October 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27572997 --> == Tech News: 2024-43 == <section begin="technews-2024-W43"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/43|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The Mobile Apps team has released an [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/iOS/Navigation Refresh#Phase 1: Creating a user Profile Menu (T373714)|update]] to the iOS app's navigation, and it is now available in the latest App store version. The team added a new Profile menu that allows for easy access to editor features like Notifications and Watchlist from the Article view, and brings the "Donate" button into a more accessible place for users who are reading an article. This is the first phase of a larger planned [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/iOS/Navigation Refresh|navigation refresh]] to help the iOS app transition from a primarily reader-focused app, to an app that fully supports reading and editing. The Wikimedia Foundation has added more editing features and support for on-wiki communication based on volunteer requests in recent years. [[File:IOS App Navigation refresh first phase 05.png|thumb|iOS Wikipedia App's profile menu and contents]] '''Updates for editors''' * Wikipedia readers can now download a browser extension to experiment with some early ideas on potential features that recommend articles for further reading, automatically summarize articles, and improve search functionality. For more details and to stay updated, check out the Web team's [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Content Discovery Experiments|Content Discovery Experiments page]] and [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Newsletter:Web team's projects|subscribe to their newsletter]]. * Later this month, logged-out editors of [[phab:T376499|these 12 wikis]] will start to have [[mw:Special:Mylanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]] created. The list may slightly change - some wikis may be removed but none will be added. Temporary account is a new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/User account types|type of user account]]. It enhances the logged-out editors' privacy and makes it easier for community members to communicate with them. If you maintain any tools, bots, or gadgets on these 12 wikis, and your software is using data about IP addresses or is available for logged-out users, please check if it needs to be updated to work with temporary accounts. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/For developers|Guidance on how to update the code is available]]. Read more about the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/Updates|deployment plan across all wikis]]. * View all {{formatnum:33}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:33|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the [[w:nr:Main Page|South Ndebele]], [[w:rsk:Главни бок|Pannonian Rusyn]], [[w:ann:Uwu|Obolo]], [[w:iba:Lambar Keterubah|Iban]] and [[w:tdd:ᥞᥨᥝᥴ ᥘᥣᥲ ᥖᥥᥰ|Tai Nüa]] Wikipedia languages were created last week. [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q36785][https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q35660][https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q36614][https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q33424][https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q36556] * It is now possible to create functions on Wikifunctions using Wikidata lexemes, through the new [[f:Z6005|Wikidata lexeme type]] launched last week. When you go to one of these functions, the user interface provides a lexeme selector that helps you pick a lexeme from Wikidata that matches the word you type. After hitting run, your selected lexeme is retrieved from Wikidata, transformed into a Wikidata lexeme type, and passed into the selected function. Read more about this in [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2024-10-17#Function of the Week: select representation from lexeme|the latest Wikifunctions newsletter]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] Users of the Wikimedia sites can now format dates more easily in different languages with the new <code dir="ltr">{{[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##timef|#timef]]:…}}</code> parser function. For example, <code dir="ltr"><nowiki>{{#timef:now|date|en}}</nowiki></code> will show as "<bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">{{#timef:now|date|en}}</bdi>". Previously, <code dir="ltr"><nowiki>{{#time:…}}</nowiki></code> could be used to format dates, but this required knowledge of the order of the time and date components and their intervening punctuation. <code dir="ltr">#timef</code> (or <code dir="ltr">#timefl</code> for local time) provides access to the standard date formats that MediaWiki uses in its user interface. This may help to simplify some templates on multi-lingual wikis like Commons and Meta. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223772][https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##timef] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] Commons and Meta users can now efficiently [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Magic words#Localization|retrieve the user's language]] using <code dir="ltr"><nowiki>{{USERLANGUAGE}}</nowiki></code> instead of using <code dir="ltr"><nowiki>{{int:lang}}</nowiki></code>. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T4085] * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Product and Technology Advisory Council|Product and Tech Advisory Council]] (PTAC) now has its pilot members with representation across Africa, Asia, Europe, North America and South America. They will work to address the [[Special:MyLanguage/Movement Strategy/Initiatives/Technology Council|Movement Strategy's Technology Council]] initiative of having a co-defined and more resilient technological platform. [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Strategy/Initiatives/Technology_Council] '''In depth''' * The latest quarterly [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Newsletters/32|Growth newsletter]] is available. It includes: an upcoming Newcomer Homepage Community Updates module, new Community Configuration options, and details on new projects. * The Wikimedia Foundation is [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Security Team#CNA Partnership|now an official partner of the CVE program]], which is an international effort to catalog publicly disclosed cybersecurity vulnerabilities. This partnership will allow the Security Team to instantly publish [[w:en:Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures|common vulnerabilities and exposures]] (CVE) records that are affecting MediaWiki core, extensions, and skins, along with any other code the Foundation is a steward of. * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist|Community Wishlist]] is now [[m:Community Wishlist/Updates#October 16, 2024: Conversations Made Easier: Machine-Translated Wishes Are Here!|testing machine translations]] for Wishlist content. Volunteers can now read machine-translated versions of wishes and dive into discussions even before translators arrive to translate content. '''Meetings and events''' * 24 October - Wiki Education Speaker Series Webinar - [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/N4XTB4G55BUY3M3PNGUAKQWJ7A4UOPAK/ Open Source Tech: Building the Wiki Education Dashboard], featuring Wikimedia interns and a Web developer in the panel. * 20–22 December 2024 - [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Indic Wikimedia Hackathon Bhubaneswar 2024|Indic Wikimedia Hackathon Bhubaneswar 2024]] in Odisha, India. A hackathon for community members, including developers, designers and content editors, to build technical solutions that improve contributors' experiences. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/43|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W43"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 20:53, 21 October 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27634672 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-44 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Christmas horror]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:es:Terror navideño]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Christmascarol1843 -- 169.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Christmas horror''' is a fiction genre and film genre that incorporates horror elements into a seasonal setting. It is popular in multiple countries. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:05, 28 October 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27647428 --> == Tech News: 2024-44 == <section begin="technews-2024-W44"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/44|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * Later in November, the Charts extension will be deployed to the test wikis in order to help identify and fix any issue. A security review is underway to then enable deployment to pilot wikis for broader testing. You can read [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project/Updates#October 2024: Working towards production deployment|the October project update]] and see the [https://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Charts latest documentation and examples on Beta Wikipedia]. * View all {{formatnum:32}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:32|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, [[w:en:PediaPress|Pediapress.com]], an external service that creates books from Wikipedia, can now use [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Maps|Wikimedia Maps]] to include existing pre-rendered infobox map images in their printed books on Wikipedia. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T375761] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Wikis can use [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:GuidedTour|the Guided Tour extension]] to help newcomers understand how to edit. The Guided Tours extension now works with [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Dark mode|dark mode]]. Guided Tour maintainers can check their tours to see that nothing looks odd. They can also set <code>emitTransitionOnStep</code> to <code>true</code> to fix an old bug. They can use the new flag <code>allowAutomaticBack</code> to avoid back-buttons they don't want. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T73927#10241528] * Administrators in the Wikimedia projects who use the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:Nuke|Nuke Extension]] will notice that mass deletions done with this tool have the "Nuke" tag. This change will make reviewing and analyzing deletions performed with the tool easier. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T366068] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/44|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W44"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 20:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27668811 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-45 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Placenta cake]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:simple:Placenta cake]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Bucharest, Greek pie-maker, 1880.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Placenta cake''' is a dish from ancient Greece and Rome consisting of many dough layers interspersed with a mixture of cheese and honey and flavored with bay leaves, baked and then covered in honey. The dessert is mentioned in classical texts such as the Greek poems of Archestratos and Antiphanes, as well as the De agri cultura of Cato the Elder. It is often seen as the predecessor of baklava and börek. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:16, 4 November 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27647428 --> == Tech News: 2024-45 == <section begin="technews-2024-W45"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/45|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * Stewards can now make [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Global blocks|global account blocks]] cause global [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Autoblock|autoblocks]]. This will assist stewards in preventing abuse from users who have been globally blocked. This includes preventing globally blocked temporary accounts from exiting their session or switching browsers to make subsequent edits for 24 hours. Previously, temporary accounts could exit their current session or switch browsers to continue editing. This is an anti-abuse tool improvement for the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|Temporary Accounts]] project. You can read more about the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/Updates|progress on key features for temporary accounts]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T368949] * Wikis that have the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents/Deployment status|CampaignEvents extension enabled]] can now use the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Campaigns/Foundation Product Team/Event list#October 29, 2024: Collaboration List launched|Collaboration List]] feature. This list provides a new, easy way for contributors to learn about WikiProjects on their wikis. Thanks to the Campaign team for this work that is part of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2024-2025/Product %26 Technology OKRs#WE KRs|the 2024/25 annual plan]]. If you are interested in bringing the CampaignEvents extension to your wiki, you can [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents/Deployment status#How to Request the CampaignEvents Extension for your wiki|follow these steps]] or you can reach out to User:Udehb-WMF for help. * The text color for red links will be slightly changed later this week to improve their contrast in light mode. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T370446] * View all {{formatnum:32}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:32|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, on multilingual wikis, users [[phab:T216368|can now]] hide translations from the WhatLinksHere special page. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * XML [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Data dumps|data dumps]] have been temporarily paused whilst a bug is investigated. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/xmldatadumps-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/BXWJDPO5QI2QMBCY7HO36ELDCRO6HRM4/] '''In depth''' * Temporary Accounts have been deployed to six wikis; thanks to the Trust and Safety Product team for [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|this work]], you can read about [[phab:T340001|the deployment plans]]. Beginning next week, Temporary Accounts will also be enabled on [[phab:T378336|seven other projects]]. If you are active on these wikis and need help migrating your tools, please reach out to [[m:User:Udehb-WMF|User:Udehb-WMF]] for assistance. * The latest quarterly [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Language and Product Localization/Newsletter/2024/October|Language and Internationalization newsletter]] is available. It includes: New languages supported in translatewiki or in MediaWiki; New keyboard input methods for some languages; details about recent and upcoming meetings, and more. '''Meetings and events''' * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/MediaWiki Users and Developers Conference Fall 2024|MediaWiki Users and Developers Conference Fall 2024]] is happening in Vienna, Austria and online from 4 to 6 November 2024. The conference will feature discussions around the usage of MediaWiki software by and within companies in different industries and will inspire and onboard new users. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/45|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W45"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 20:51, 4 November 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27693917 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-46 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Trisomy 16]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Chromosome 16.svg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Trisomy 16''' is a chromosomal abnormality in which there are 3 copies of chromosome 16 rather than two. It is the most common trisomy leading to miscarriage and the second most common chromosomal cause of it, closely following X-chromosome monosomy. About 6% of miscarriages have trisomy 16. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:09, 11 November 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27708700 --> == Tech News: 2024-46 == <section begin="technews-2024-W46"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/46|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * On wikis with the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:Translate|Translate extension]] enabled, users will notice that the FuzzyBot will now automatically create translated versions of categories used on translated pages. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285463] * View all {{formatnum:29}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:29|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the submitted task to use the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:SecurePoll|SecurePoll extension]] for English Wikipedia's special [[w:en:Wikipedia:Administrator elections|administrator election]] was resolved on time. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T371454] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] In <code dir="ltr">[[mw:MediaWiki_1.44/wmf.2|1.44.0-wmf-2]]</code>, the logic of Wikibase function <code>getAllStatements</code> changed to behave like <code>getBestStatements</code>. Invoking the function now returns a copy of values which are immutable. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T270851] * [https://en.wikipedia.org/api/rest_v1/ Wikimedia REST API] users, such as bot operators and tool maintainers, may be affected by ongoing upgrades. The API will be rerouting some page content endpoints from RESTbase to the newer [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/API:REST API|MediaWiki REST API]] endpoints. The [[phab:T374683|impacted endpoints]] include getting page/revision metadata and rendered HTML content. These changes will be available on testwiki later this week, with other projects to follow. This change should not affect existing functionality, but active users of the impacted endpoints should verify behavior on testwiki, and raise any concerns on the related [[phab:T374683|Phabricator ticket]]. '''In depth''' * Admins and users of the Wikimedia projects [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Moderator_Tools/Automoderator#Usage|where Automoderator is enabled]] can now monitor and evaluate important metrics related to Automoderator's actions. [https://superset.wmcloud.org/superset/dashboard/unified-automoderator-activity-dashboard/ This Superset dashboard] calculates and aggregates metrics about Automoderator's behaviour on the projects in which it is deployed. Thanks to the Moderator Tools team for this Dashboard; you can visit [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Moderator Tools/Automoderator/Unified Activity Dashboard|the documentation page]] for more information about this work. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T369488] '''Meetings and events''' * 21 November 2024 ([[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Commons community discussion - 21 November 2024 8:00 UTC|8:00 UTC]] & [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Commons community discussion - 21 November 2024 16:00 UTC|16:00 UTC]]) - [[c:Commons:WMF support for Commons/Commons community calls|Community call]] with Wikimedia Commons volunteers and stakeholders to help prioritize support efforts for 2025-2026 Fiscal Year. The theme of this call is how content should be organised on Wikimedia Commons. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/46|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W46"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:08, 12 November 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27732268 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-47 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Boana platanera]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Rana platanera - Boana platanera.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''''Boana platanera''''', commonly known as the banana tree dwelling frog, is a species of tree frog in the family Hylidae. It is distributed within Venezuela, Colombia, Panama, and Trinidad and Tobago. Boana platanera was described in 2021, and individuals of the species were previously classified as Boana crepitans or Boana xerophylla. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:53, 18 November 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27735014 --> == Tech News: 2024-47 == <section begin="technews-2024-W47"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/47|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * Users of Wikimedia sites will now be warned when they create a [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Redirects|redirect]] to a page that doesn't exist. This will reduce the number of broken redirects to red links in our projects. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T326057] * View all {{formatnum:42}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:42|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Pywikibot/Overview|Pywikibot]], which automates work on MediaWiki sites, was upgraded to 9.5.0 on Toolforge. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T378676] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * On wikis that use the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:FlaggedRevs|FlaggedRevs extension]], pages created or moved by users with the appropriate permissions are marked as flagged automatically. This feature has not been working recently, and changes fixing it should be deployed this week. Thanks to Daniel and Wargo for working on this. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T379218][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T368380] '''In depth''' * There is a new [https://diff.wikimedia.org/2024/11/05/say-hi-to-temporary-accounts-easier-collaboration-with-logged-out-editors-with-better-privacy-protection Diff post] about Temporary Accounts, available in more than 15 languages. Read it to learn about what Temporary Accounts are, their impact on different groups of users, and the plan to introduce the change on all wikis. '''Meetings and events''' * Technical volunteers can now register for the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Hackathon 2025|2025 Wikimedia Hackathon]], which will take place in Istanbul, Turkey. [https://pretix.eu/wikimedia/hackathon2025/ Application for travel and accommodation scholarships] is open from '''November 12 to December 10 2024'''. The registration for the event will close in mid-April 2025. The Wikimedia Hackathon is an annual gathering that unites the global technical community to collaborate on existing projects and explore new ideas. * Join the [[C:Special:MyLanguage/Commons:WMF%20support%20for%20Commons/Commons%20community%20calls|Wikimedia Commons community calls]] this week to help prioritize support for Commons which will be planned for 2025–2026. The theme will be how content should be organised on Wikimedia Commons. This is an opportunity for volunteers who work on different things to come together and talk about what matters for the future of the project. The calls will take place '''November 21, 2024, [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Commons community discussion - 21 November 2024 8:00 UTC|8:00 UTC]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Commons community discussion - 21 November 2024 16:00 UTC|16:00 UTC]]'''. * A [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Language_and_Product_Localization/Community meetings#29 November 2024|Language community meeting]] will take place '''November 29, 16:00 UTC''' to discuss updates and technical problem-solving. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/47|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W47"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 02:01, 19 November 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27806858 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-48 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Wang Su-bok]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:fa:وانگ سو بوک]])&#32;([[:ko:왕수복]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Wang Su-bok''' was a singer from North Korea, who was the most popular singer in Japanese-occupied Korea in 1935. She was credited as a ground-breaking female artist, whose work led the way for the modern K-pop phenomenon. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27846897 --> == Tech News: 2024-48 == <section begin="technews-2024-W48"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/48|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]] A new version of the standard wikitext editor-mode [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CodeMirror|syntax highlighter]] will be available as a [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures|beta feature]] later this week. This brings many new features and bug fixes, including right-to-left support, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror#Template folding|template folding]], [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror#Autocompletion|autocompletion]], and an improved search panel. You can learn more on the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror|help page]]. * The 2010 wikitext editor now supports common keyboard shortcuts such <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>Ctrl</code>+<code>B</code></bdi> for bold and <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>Ctrl</code>+<code>I</code></bdi> for italics. A full [[mw:Help:Extension:WikiEditor#Keyboard shortcuts|list of all six shortcuts]] is available. Thanks to SD0001 for this improvement. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T62928] * Starting November 28, Flow/Structured Discussions pages will be automatically archived and set to read-only at the following wikis: <bdi>bswiki</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>elwiki</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>euwiki</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>fawiki</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>fiwiki</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>frwikiquote</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>frwikisource</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>frwikiversity</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>frwikivoyage</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>idwiki</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>lvwiki</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>plwiki</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>ptwiki</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>urwiki</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>viwikisource</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>zhwikisource</bdi>. This is done as part of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Structured_Discussions/Deprecation|StructuredDiscussions deprecation work]]. If you need any assistance to archive your page in advance, please contact [[m:User:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek (WMF)]]. * View all {{formatnum:25}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:25|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, a user creating a new AbuseFilter can now only set the filter to "protected" [[phab:T377765|if it includes a protected variable]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CodeEditor|CodeEditor]], which can be used in JavaScript, CSS, JSON, and Lua pages, [[phab:T377663|now offers]] live autocompletion. Thanks to SD0001 for this improvement. The feature can be temporarily disabled on a page by pressing <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>Ctrl</code>+<code>,</code></bdi> and un-selecting "<bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">Live Autocompletion</bdi>". * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] Tool-maintainers who use the Graphite system for tracking metrics, need to migrate to the newer Prometheus system. They can check [https://grafana.wikimedia.org/d/K6DEOo5Ik/grafana-graphite-datasource-utilization?orgId=1 this dashboard] and the list in the Description of the [[phab:T350592|task T350592]] to see if their tools are listed, and they should claim metrics and dashboards connected to their tools. They can then disable or migrate all existing metrics by following the instructions in the task. The Graphite service will become read-only in April. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/KLUV4IOLRYXPQFWD6WKKJUHMWE77BMSZ/] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/NewPP parser report|New PreProcessor parser performance report]] has been fixed to give an accurate count for the number of Wikibase entities accessed. It had previously been resetting after 400 entities. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T279069] '''Meetings and events''' * A [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Language_and_Product_Localization/Community meetings#29 November 2024|Language community meeting]] will take place November 29 at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1732896000 16:00 UTC]. There will be presentations on topics like developing language keyboards, the creation of the Mooré Wikipedia, the language support track at [[m:Wiki Indaba|Wiki Indaba]], and a report from the Wayuunaiki community on their experiences with the Incubator and as a new community over the last 3 years. This meeting will be in English and will also have Spanish interpretation. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/48|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W48"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 22:42, 25 November 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27847039 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-49 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Storm Filomena]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Spain’s chilly blanket ESA22415247.jpeg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Storm Filomena''' was an extratropical cyclone in early January 2021 that was most notable for bringing unusually heavy snowfall to parts of Spain, with Madrid recording its heaviest snowfall in over a century, and with Portugal being hit less severely. The eighth named storm of the 2020–21 European windstorm season, Filomena formed over the Atlantic Ocean close to the Canary Islands on 7 January, subsequently taking a slow track north-eastwards towards the Iberian Peninsula and then eastwards across the Mediterranean Sea. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:48, 2 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27846897 --> == Tech News: 2024-49 == <section begin="technews-2024-W49"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/49|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * Two new parser functions were added this week. The <code dir="ltr"><nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Magic words#interwikilink|#interwikilink]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki></code> function adds an [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Links#Interwiki links|interwiki link]] and the <code dir="ltr"><nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Magic words#interlanguagelink|#interlanguagelink]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki></code> function adds an [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Links#Interlanguage links|interlanguage link]]. These parser functions are useful on wikis where namespaces conflict with interwiki prefixes. For example, links beginning with <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>MOS:</code></bdi> on English Wikipedia [[phab:T363538|conflict with the <code>mos</code> language code prefix of Mooré Wikipedia]]. * Starting this week, Wikimedia wikis no longer support connections using old RSA-based HTTPS certificates, specifically rsa-2048. This change is to improve security for all users. Some older, unsupported browser or smartphone devices will be unable to connect; Instead, they will display a connectivity error. See the [[wikitech:HTTPS/Browser_Recommendations|HTTPS Browser Recommendations page]] for more-detailed information. All modern operating systems and browsers are always able to reach Wikimedia projects. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/CTYEHVNSXUD3NFAAMG3BLZVTVQWJXJAH/] * Starting December 16, Flow/Structured Discussions pages will be automatically archived and set to read-only at the following wikis: <bdi>arwiki</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>cawiki</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>frwiki</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>mediawikiwiki</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>orwiki</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>wawiki</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>wawiktionary</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>wikidatawiki</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>zhwiki</bdi>. This is done as part of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Structured_Discussions/Deprecation|StructuredDiscussions deprecation work]]. If you need any assistance to archive your page in advance, please contact [[m:User:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek (WMF)]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T380910] * This month the Chart extension was deployed to production and is now available on Commons and Testwiki. With the security review complete, pilot wiki deployment is expected to start in the first week of December. You can see a working version [[testwiki:Charts|on Testwiki]] and read [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project/Updates|the November project update]] for more details. * View all {{formatnum:23}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:23|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, a bug with the "Download as PDF" system was fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T376438] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * In late February, temporary accounts will be rolled out on at least 10 large wikis. This deployment will have a significant effect on the community-maintained code. This is about Toolforge tools, bots, gadgets, and user scripts that use IP address data or that are available for logged-out users. The Trust and Safety Product team wants to identify this code, monitor it, and assist in updating it ahead of the deployment to minimize disruption to workflows. The team asks technical editors and volunteer developers to help identify such tools by adding them to [[mw:Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/For developers/Impacted tools|this list]]. In addition, review the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/For developers|updated documentation]] to learn how to adjust the tools. Join the discussions on the [[mw:Talk:Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|project talk page]] or in the [[discord:channels/221049808784326656/1227616742340034722|dedicated thread]] on the [[w:Wikipedia:Discord|Wikimedia Community Discord server (in English)]] for support and to share feedback. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/49|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W49"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 22:23, 2 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27873992 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-50 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Syrian literature]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Poem about Baybars page 1 from Hakawati book.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Syrian literature''' is modern fiction written or orally performed in Arabic by writers from Syria since the independence of the Syrian Arab Republic in 1946. It is part of the historically and geographically wider Arabic literature. The modern states of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Israel as well as the Palestinian autonomous areas only came into being in the mid-20th century. Therefore, Syrian literature has since been referred to by literary scholarship as the national literature of the Syrian Arab Republic, as well as the works created in Arabic by Syrian writers in the diaspora. This literature has been influenced by the country's political history, the literature of other Arabic-speaking countries and, especially in its early days, by French literature. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:59, 9 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27846897 --> == Tech News: 2024-50 == <section begin="technews-2024-W50"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/50|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * Technical documentation contributors can find updated resources, and new ways to connect with each other and the Wikimedia Technical Documentation Team, at the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Documentation|Documentation hub]] on MediaWiki.org. This page links to: resources for writing and improving documentation, a new <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr">#wikimedia-techdocs</bdi> IRC channel on libera.chat, a listing of past and upcoming documentation events, and ways to request a documentation consultation or review. If you have any feedback or ideas for improvements to the documentation ecosystem, please [[mw:Wikimedia Technical Documentation Team#Contact us|contact the Technical Documentation Team]]. '''Updates for editors''' [[File:Edit Check on Desktop.png|thumb|Layout change for the Edit Check feature]] * Later this week, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Edit check|Edit Check]] will be relocated to a sidebar on desktop. Edit check is the feature for new editors to help them follow policies and guidelines. This layout change creates space to present people with [[mw:Edit check#1 November 2024|new Checks]] that appear ''while'' they are typing. The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Edit check#Reference Check A/B Test|initial results]] show newcomers encountering Edit Check are 2.2 times more likely to publish a new content edit that includes a reference and is not reverted. * The Chart extension, which enables editors to create data visualizations, was successfully made available on MediaWiki.org and three pilot wikis (Italian, Swedish, and Hebrew Wikipedias). You can see a working examples [[testwiki:Charts|on Testwiki]] and read [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project/Updates|the November project update]] for more details. * Translators in wikis where the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Content translation/Section translation#Try the tool|mobile experience of Content Translation is available]], can now discover articles in Wikiproject campaigns of their interest from the "[https://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ContentTranslation&campaign=specialcx&filter-type=automatic&filter-id=collections&active-list=suggestions&from=es&to=en All collection]" category in the articles suggestion feature. Wikiproject Campaign organizers can use this feature, to help translators to discover articles of interest, by adding the <code dir=ltr><nowiki><page-collection> </page-collection></nowiki></code> tag to their campaign article list page on Meta-wiki. This will make those articles discoverable in the Content Translation tool. For more detailed information on how to use the tool and tag, please refer to [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Translation suggestions: Topic-based & Community-defined lists/How to use the features|the step-by-step guide]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T378958] * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Nuke|Nuke]] feature, which enables administrators to mass delete pages, now has a [[phab:T376379#10310998|multiselect filter for namespace selection]]. This enables users to select multiple specific namespaces, instead of only one or all, when fetching pages for deletion. * The Nuke feature also now [[phab:T364225#10371365|provides links]] to the userpage of the user whose pages were deleted, and to the pages which were not selected for deletion, after page deletions are queued. This enables easier follow-up admin-actions. Thanks to Chlod and the Moderator Tools team for both of these improvements. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T364225#10371365] * The Editing Team is working on making it easier to populate citations from archive.org using the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Citoid/Enabling Citoid on your wiki|Citoid]] tool, the auto-filled citation generator. They are asking communities to add two parameters preemptively, <code dir=ltr>archiveUrl</code> and <code dir=ltr>archiveDate</code>, within the TemplateData for each citation template using Citoid. You can see an [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ACite_web%2Fdoc&diff=1261320172&oldid=1260788022 example of a change in a template], and a [https://global-search.toolforge.org/?namespaces=10&q=%5C%22citoid%5C%22%3A%20%5C%7B&regex=1&title= list of all relevant templates]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T374831] * One new wiki has been created: a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikivoyage}} in [[d:Q9240|Indonesian]] ([[voy:id:|<code>voy:id:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T380726] * Last week, all wikis had problems serving pages to logged-in users and some logged-out users for 30–45 minutes. This was caused by a database problem, and investigation is ongoing. [https://www.wikimediastatus.net/incidents/3g2ckc7bp6l9] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:19}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:19|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, a bug in the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Add a link|Add Link]] feature has been fixed. Previously, the list of sections which are excluded from Add Link was partially ignored in certain cases. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T380455][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T380329] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Codex|Codex]], the design system for Wikimedia, now has an early-stage [[gitiles:design/codex-php|implementation in PHP]]. It is available for general use in MediaWiki extensions and Toolforge apps through [https://packagist.org/packages/wikimedia/codex Composer], with use in MediaWiki core coming soon. More information is available in [[wmdoc:design-codex-php/main/index.html|the documentation]]. Thanks to Doğu for the inspiration and many contributions to the library. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T379662] * [https://en.wikipedia.org/api/rest_v1/ Wikimedia REST API] users, such as bot operators and tool maintainers, may be affected by ongoing upgrades. On December 4, the MediaWiki Interfaces team began rerouting page/revision metadata and rendered HTML content endpoints on [[testwiki:|testwiki]] from RESTbase to comparable MediaWiki REST API endpoints. The team encourages active users of these endpoints to verify their tool's behavior on testwiki and raise any concerns on the related [[phab:T374683|Phabricator ticket]] before the end of the year, as they intend to roll out the same change across all Wikimedia projects in early January. These changes are part of the work to replace the outdated [[mw:RESTBase/deprecation|RESTBase]] system. * The [https://wikimediafoundation.limesurvey.net/986172 2024 Developer Satisfaction Survey] is seeking the opinions of the Wikimedia developer community. Please take the survey if you have any role in developing software for the Wikimedia ecosystem. The survey is open until 3 January 2025, and has an associated [[foundation:Legal:Developer Satisfaction Survey 2024 Privacy Statement|privacy statement]]. * There is no new MediaWiki version this week. [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] '''Meetings and events''' * The next meeting in the series of [[c:Commons:WMF support for Commons/Commons community calls|Wikimedia Foundation discussions with the Wikimedia Commons community]] will take place on [[m:Event:Commons community discussion - 12 December 2024 08:00 UTC|December 12 at 8:00 UTC]] and [[m:Event:Commons community discussion - 12_December 2024 16:00 UTC|at 16:00 UTC]]. The topic of this call is new media and new contributors. Contributors from all wikis are welcome to attend. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/50|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W50"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 22:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27919424 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-51 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Mars ocean theory]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:AncientMars.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Mars ocean theory''' states that nearly a third of the surface of Mars was covered by an ocean of liquid water early in the planet's geologic history. This primordial ocean, dubbed Paleo-Ocean or Oceanus Borealis (/oʊˈsiːənəs ˌbɒriˈælɪs/ oh-SEE-ə-nəs BORR-ee-AL-iss), would have filled the basin Vastitas Borealis in the northern hemisphere, a region that lies 4–5 km (2.5–3 miles) below the mean planetary elevation, at a time period of approximately 4.1–3.8 billion years ago. Evidence for this ocean includes geographic features resembling ancient shorelines, and the chemical properties of the Martian soil and atmosphere <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:44, 16 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27933909 --> == Tech News: 2024-51 == <section begin="technews-2024-W51"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/51|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * Interested in improving event management on your home wiki? The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents extension]] offers organizers features like event registration management, event/wikiproject promotion, finding potential participants, and more - all directly on-wiki. If you are an organizer or think your community would benefit from this extension, start a discussion to enable it on your wiki today. To learn more about how to enable this extension on your wiki, visit the [[m:CampaignEvents/Deployment status#How to Request the CampaignEvents Extension for your wiki|deployment status page]]. '''Updates for editors''' * Users of the iOS Wikipedia App in Italy and Mexico on the Italian, Spanish, and English Wikipedias, can see a [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/iOS/Personalized Wikipedia Year in Review|personalized Year in Review]] with insights based on their reading and editing history. * Users of the Android Wikipedia App in Sub-Saharan Africa and South Asia can see the new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/Rabbit Holes|Rabbit Holes]] feature. This feature shows a suggested search term in the Search bar based on the current article being viewed, and a suggested reading list generated from the user’s last two visited articles. * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Global reminder bot|global reminder bot]] is now active and running on nearly 800 wikis. This service reminds most users holding temporary rights when they are about to expire, so that they can renew should they want to. See [[m:Global reminder bot/Technical details|the technical details page]] for more information. * The next issue of Tech News will be sent out on 13 January 2025 because of the end of year holidays. Thank you to all of the translators, and people who submitted content or feedback, this year. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:27}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:27|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, a bug was [[phab:T374988|fixed]] in the Android Wikipedia App which had caused translatable SVG images to show the wrong language when they were tapped. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * There is no new MediaWiki version next week. The next deployments will start on 14 January. [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar/2025] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/51|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W51"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 22:25, 16 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27942374 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-52 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:2023 Slovenia floods]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Sava v Tacnu 4. avgusta ob 16h.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> In August 2023, major floods occurred in large part of Slovenia and neighbouring areas of Austria and Croatia due to heavy rain. Amongst others, the level of rivers Sava, Mur and Drava was exceptionally high. Several settlements and transport links in Slovene Littoral, Upper Carniola and Slovenian Carinthia were flooded. Due to the amount of rain, the streams in Idrija, Cerkno and Škofja Loka Hills overflowed. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:55, 23 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27933909 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-01 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Uganda Railways Corporation]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:de:Schienenverkehr in Uganda]])&#32;([[:no:Uganda Railways Corporation]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:9620 mit Güterzug.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Uganda Railways Corporation''' (URC) is the parastatal railway of Uganda. It was formed after the breakup of the East African Railways Corporation (EARC) in 1977 when it took over the Ugandan part of the East African railways. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:37, 30 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28019313 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-02 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Internment of Japanese Canadians]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Japanese road camp.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> From 1942 to 1949, Canada forcibly relocated and incarcerated over 22,000 Japanese Canadians—comprising over 90% of the total Japanese Canadian population—from British Columbia in the name of "national security". The majority were Canadian citizens by birth and were targeted based on their ancestry. This decision followed the events of the Japanese Empire's war in the Pacific against the Western Allies, such as the invasion of Hong Kong, the attack on Pearl Harbor in Hawaii, and the Fall of Singapore which led to the Canadian declaration of war on Japan during World War II. Similar to the actions taken against Japanese Americans in neighbouring United States, this forced relocation subjected many Japanese Canadians to government-enforced curfews and interrogations, job and property losses, and forced repatriation to Japan <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 03:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28070038 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-03 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Christmas seals]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:no:Julemerke]])&#32;([[:ru:Рождественская виньетка]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:1915 US Christmas Seal.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Christmas seals''' are adhesive labels that are similar in appearance to postage stamps that are sold then affixed to mail during the Christmas season to raise funds and awareness for charitable programs. Christmas seals have become particularly associated with lung diseases such as tuberculosis, and with child welfare in general. They were first issued in Denmark beginning in 1904, with Sweden and Iceland following with issues that same year. Thereafter the use of Christmas seals proved to be popular and spread quickly around the world, with 130 countries producing their own issues. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:24, 13 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28086717 --> == Tech News: 2025-03 == <section begin="technews-2025-W03"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/03|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The Single User Login system is being updated over the next few months. This is the system which allows users to fill out the login form on one Wikimedia site and get logged in on all others at the same time. It needs to be updated because of the ways that browsers are increasingly restricting cross-domain cookies. To accommodate these restrictions, login and account creation pages will move to a central domain, but it will still appear to the user as if they are on the originating wiki. The updated code will be enabled this week for users on test wikis. This change is planned to roll out to all users during February and March. See [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/MediaWiki Platform Team/SUL3#Deployment|the SUL3 project page]] for more details and a timeline. '''Updates for editors''' * On wikis with [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:PageAssessments|PageAssessments]] installed, you can now [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:PageAssessments#Search|filter search results]] to pages in a given WikiProject by using the <code dir=ltr>inproject:</code> keyword. (These wikis: {{int:project-localized-name-arwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-enwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-enwikivoyage/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-frwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-huwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-newiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-trwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-zhwiki/en}}) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T378868] * One new wiki has been created: a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia}} in [[d:Q34129|Tigre]] ([[w:tig:|<code>w:tig:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T381377] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:35}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:35|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, there was a bug with updating a user's edit-count after making a rollback edit, which is now fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T382592] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] Wikimedia REST API users, such as bot operators and tool maintainers, may be affected by ongoing upgrades. Starting the week of January 13, we will begin rerouting [[phab:T374683|some page content endpoints]] from RESTbase to the newer MediaWiki REST API endpoints for all wiki projects. This change was previously available on testwiki and should not affect existing functionality, but active users of the impacted endpoints may raise issues directly to the [[phab:project/view/6931/|MediaWiki Interfaces Team]] in Phabricator if they arise. * Toolforge tool maintainers can now share their feedback on Toolforge UI, an initiative to provide a web platform that allows creating and managing Toolforge tools through a graphic interface, in addition to existing command-line workflows. This project aims to streamline active maintainers’ tasks, as well as make registration and deployment processes more accessible for new tool creators. The initiative is still at a very early stage, and the Cloud Services team is in the process of collecting feedback from the Toolforge community to help shape the solution to their needs. [[wikitech:Wikimedia Cloud Services team/EnhancementProposals/Toolforge UI|Read more and share your thoughts about Toolforge UI]]. * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] For tool and library developers who use the OAuth system: The identity endpoint used for [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/OAuth/For Developers#Identifying the user|OAuth 1]] and [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/OAuth/For Developers#Identifying the user 2|OAuth 2]] returned a JSON object with an integer in its <code>sub</code> field, which was incorrect (the field must always be a string). This has been fixed; the fix will be deployed to Wikimedia wikis on the week of January 13. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T382139] * Many wikis currently use [[:mw:Parsoid/Parser Unification/Cite CSS|Cite CSS]] to render custom footnote markers in Parsoid output. Starting January 20 these rules will be disabled, but the developers ask you to ''not'' clean up your <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[MediaWiki:Common.css]]</bdi> until February 20 to avoid issues during the migration. Your wikis might experience some small changes to footnote markers in Visual Editor and when using experimental Parsoid read mode, but if there are changes these are expected to bring the rendering in line with the legacy parser output. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T370027] '''Meetings and events''' * The next meeting in the series of [[c:Special:MyLanguage/Commons:WMF support for Commons/Commons community calls|Wikimedia Foundation Community Conversations with the Wikimedia Commons community]] will take place on [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Commons community discussion - 15 January 2025 08:00 UTC|January 15 at 8:00 UTC]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Commons community discussion - 15 January 2025 16:00 UTC|at 16:00 UTC]]. The topic of this call is defining the priorities in tool investment for Commons. Contributors from all wikis, especially users who are maintaining tools for Commons, are welcome to attend. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/03|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W03"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 01:42, 14 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28048614 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-04 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:2010 Nagorno-Karabakh clashes]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:it:Scontri del Nagorno Karabakh del 2010]])&#32;([[:tr:2010 Dağlık Karabağ çatışmaları]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''2010 Nahorno karabakh war''' were a series of exchanges of gunfire that took place on February 18 on the line of contact dividing Azerbaijani and the Karabakh Armenian military forces. Azerbaijan accused the Armenian forces of firing on the Azerbaijani positions near Tap Qaraqoyunlu, Qızıloba, Qapanlı, Yusifcanlı and Cavahirli villages, as well as in uplands of Agdam Rayon with small arms fire including snipers. As a result, three Azerbaijani soldiers were killed and one wounded. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:20, 20 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28099770 --> == Tech News: 2025-04 == <section begin="technews-2025-W04"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/04|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * Administrators can mass-delete multiple pages created by a user or IP address using [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Nuke|Extension:Nuke]]. It previously only allowed deletion of pages created in the last 30 days. It can now delete pages from the last 90 days, provided it is targeting a specific user or IP address. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T380846] * On [[phab:P72148|wikis that use]] the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Patrolled edits|Patrolled edits]] feature, when the rollback feature is used to revert an unpatrolled page revision, that revision will now be marked as "manually patrolled" instead of "autopatrolled", which is more accurate. Some editors that use [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:New filters for edit review/Filtering|filters]] on Recent Changes may need to update their filter settings. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T302140] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:31}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:31|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the Visual Editor's "Insert link" feature did not always suggest existing pages properly when an editor started typing, which has now been [[phab:T383497|fixed]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The Structured Discussion extension (also known as Flow) is being progressively removed from the wikis. This extension is unmaintained and causes issues. It will be replaced by [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:DiscussionTools|DiscussionTools]], which is used on any regular talk page. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Structured Discussions/Deprecation#Deprecation timeline|The last group of wikis]] ({{int:project-localized-name-cawikiquote/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-fiwikimedia/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-gomwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-kabwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-ptwikibooks/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-sewikimedia/en}}) will soon be contacted. If you have questions about this process, please ping [[m:User:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek (WMF)]] at your wiki. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T380912] * The latest quarterly [[mw:Technical_Community_Newsletter/2025/January|Technical Community Newsletter]] is now available. This edition includes: updates about services from the Data Platform Engineering teams, information about Codex from the Design System team, and more. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/04|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W04"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 01:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28129769 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-05 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Jinnah's birthday]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Yorkstatue.jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Jinnah's Birthday''', officially Quaid-e-Azam Day and sometimes known as Quaid Day, is a public holiday in Pakistan observed annually on 25 December to celebrate the birthday of the founder of Pakistan, Muhammad Ali Jinnah, known as Quaid-i-Azam ("Great Leader"). A major holiday, commemorations for Jinnah began during his lifetime in 1942, and have continued ever since. The event is primarily observed by the government and the citizens of the country where the national flag is hoisted at major architectural structures such as private and public buildings, particularly at the top of Quaid-e-Azam House in Karachi. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:30, 27 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28156501 --> == Tech News: 2025-05 == <section begin="technews-2025-W05"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/05|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * Patrollers and admins - what information or context about edits or users could help you to make patroller or admin decisions more quickly or easily? The Wikimedia Foundation wants to hear from you to help guide its upcoming annual plan. Please consider sharing your thoughts on this and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Product & Technology OKRs|13 other questions]] to shape the technical direction for next year. '''Updates for editors''' * iOS Wikipedia App users worldwide can now access a [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/iOS/Personalized Wikipedia Year in Review/How your data is used|personalized Year in Review]] feature, which provides insights based on their reading and editing history on Wikipedia. This project is part of a broader effort to help welcome new readers as they discover and interact with encyclopedic content. * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]] Edit patrollers now have a new feature available that can highlight potentially problematic new pages. When a page is created with the same title as a page which was previously deleted, a tag ('Recreated') will now be added, which users can filter for in [[{{#special:RecentChanges}}]] and [[{{#special:NewPages}}]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T56145] * Later this week, there will be a new warning for editors if they attempt to create a redirect that links to another redirect (a [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Redirects#Double redirects|double redirect]]). The feature will recommend that they link directly to the second redirect's target page. Thanks to the user SomeRandomDeveloper for this improvement. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T326056] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] Wikimedia wikis allow [[w:en:WebAuthn|WebAuthn]]-based second factor checks (such as hardware tokens) during login, but the feature is [[m:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Miscellaneous/Fix security key (WebAuthn) support|fragile]] and has very few users. The MediaWiki Platform team is temporarily disabling adding new WebAuthn keys, to avoid interfering with the rollout of [[mw:MediaWiki Platform Team/SUL3|SUL3]] (single user login version 3). Existing keys are unaffected. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T378402] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:30}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:30|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * For developers that use the [[wikitech:Data Platform/Data Lake/Edits/MediaWiki history dumps|MediaWiki History dumps]]: The Data Platform Engineering team has added a couple of new fields to these dumps, to support the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|Temporary Accounts]] initiative. If you maintain software that reads those dumps, please review your code and the updated documentation, since the order of the fields in the row will change. There will also be one field rename: in the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>mediawiki_user_history</code></bdi> dump, the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>anonymous</code></bdi> field will be renamed to <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>is_anonymous</code></bdi>. The changes will take effect with the next release of the dumps in February. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/LKMFDS62TXGDN6L56F4ABXYLN7CSCQDI/] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/05|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W05"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 22:15, 27 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28149374 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-06 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:French conquest of Corsica]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Bataille de Ponte Novu.jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''French conquest of Corsica''' was a successful expedition by French forces of the Kingdom of France under Comte de Vaux, against Corsican forces under Pasquale Paoli of the Corsican Republic. The expedition was launched in May 1768, in the aftermath of the Seven Years' War. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 12:20, 3 February 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28200320 --> == Tech News: 2025-06 == <section begin="technews-2025-W06"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/06|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * Editors who use the "Special characters" editing-toolbar menu can now see the 32 special characters you have used most recently, across editing sessions on that wiki. This change should help make it easier to find the characters you use most often. The feature is in both the 2010 wikitext editor and VisualEditor. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110722] * Editors using the 2010 wikitext editor can now create sublists with correct indentation by selecting the line(s) you want to indent and then clicking the toolbar buttons.[https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T380438] You can now also insert <code><nowiki><code></nowiki></code> tags using a new toolbar button.[https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T383010] Thanks to user stjn for these improvements. * Help is needed to ensure the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Citoid/Enabling Citoid on your wiki|citation generator]] works properly on each wiki. ** (1) Administrators should update the local versions of the page <code dir=ltr>MediaWiki:Citoid-template-type-map.json</code> to include entries for <code dir=ltr>preprint</code>, <code dir=ltr>standard</code>, and <code dir=ltr>dataset</code>; Here are example diffs to replicate [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3ACitoid-template-type-map.json&diff=1189164774&oldid=1165783565 for 'preprint'] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3ACitoid-template-type-map.json&diff=1270832208&oldid=1270828390 for 'standard' and 'dataset']. ** (2.1) If the citoid map in the citation template used for these types of references is missing, [[mediawikiwiki:Citoid/Enabling Citoid on your wiki#Step 2.a: Create a 'citoid' maps value for each citation template|one will need to be added]]. (2.2) If the citoid map does exist, the TemplateData will need to be updated to include new field names. Here are example updates [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ACitation%2Fdoc&diff=1270829051&oldid=1262470053 for 'preprint'] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ACitation%2Fdoc&diff=1270831369&oldid=1270829480 for 'standard' and 'dataset']. The new fields that may need to be supported are <code dir=ltr>archiveID</code>, <code dir=ltr>identifier</code>, <code dir=ltr>repository</code>, <code dir=ltr>organization</code>, <code dir=ltr>repositoryLocation</code>, <code dir=ltr>committee</code>, and <code dir=ltr>versionNumber</code>. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T383666] * One new wiki has been created: a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia/en}} in [[d:Q15637215|Central Kanuri]] ([[w:knc:|<code>w:knc:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T385181] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:27}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:27|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the [[mediawikiwiki:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:Wikisource/Wikimedia OCR|OCR (optical character recognition) tool]] used for Wikisource now supports a new language, Church Slavonic. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T384782] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/06|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W06"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:09, 4 February 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28203495 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-07 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Assassination of Spencer Perceval]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:PercevalShooting.jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> On 11 May 1812, at about 5:15 pm, Spencer Perceval, the prime minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, was shot dead in the lobby of the House of Commons by John Bellingham, a Liverpool merchant with a grievance against the government. Bellingham was detained; four days after the murder, he was tried, convicted and sentenced to death. He was hanged at Newgate Prison on 18 May, one week after the assassination and one month before the start of the War of 1812. Perceval remains the sole British prime minister to have been assassinated. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:18, 10 February 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28200320 --> == Tech News: 2025-07 == <section begin="technews-2025-W07"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/07|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The Product and Technology Advisory Council (PTAC) has published [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Product and Technology Advisory Council/February 2025 draft PTAC recommendation for feedback|a draft of their recommendations]] for the Wikimedia Foundation's Product and Technology department. They have recommended focusing on [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Product and Technology Advisory Council/February 2025 draft PTAC recommendation for feedback/Mobile experiences|mobile experiences]], particularly contributions. They request community [[m:Talk:Product and Technology Advisory Council/February 2025 draft PTAC recommendation for feedback|feedback at the talk page]] by 21 February. '''Updates for editors''' * The "Special pages" portlet link will be moved from the "Toolbox" into the "Navigation" section of the main menu's sidebar by default. This change is because the Toolbox is intended for tools relating to the current page, not tools relating to the site, so the link will be more logically and consistently located. To modify this behavior and update CSS styling, administrators can follow the instructions at [[phab:T385346|T385346]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T333211] * As part of this year's work around improving the ways readers discover content on the wikis, the Web team will be running an experiment with a small number of readers that displays some suggestions for related or interesting articles within the search bar. Please check out [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Content Discovery Experiments#Experiment 1: Display article recommendations in more prominent locations, search|the project page]] for more information. * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] Template editors who use TemplateStyles can now customize output for users with specific accessibility needs by using accessibility related media queries (<code dir=ltr>[https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/@media/prefers-reduced-motion prefers-reduced-motion]</code>, <code dir=ltr>[https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/@media/prefers-reduced-transparency prefers-reduced-transparency]</code>, <code dir=ltr>[https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/@media/prefers-contrast prefers-contrast]</code>, and <code dir=ltr>[https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/@media/forced-colors forced-colors]</code>). Thanks to user Bawolff for these improvements. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T384175] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:22}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:22|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the global blocks log will now be shown directly on the {{#special:CentralAuth}} page, similarly to global locks, to simplify the workflows for stewards. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377024] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Wikidata [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Default values for labels and aliases|now supports a special language as a "default for all languages"]] for labels and aliases. This is to avoid excessive duplication of the same information across many languages. If your Wikidata queries use labels, you may need to update them as some existing labels are getting removed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T312511] * The function <code dir="ltr">getDescription</code> was invoked on every Wiki page read and accounts for ~2.5% of a page's total load time. The calculated value will now be cached, reducing load on Wikimedia servers. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T383660] * As part of the RESTBase deprecation [[mw:RESTBase/deprecation|effort]], the <code dir="ltr">/page/related</code> endpoint has been blocked as of February 6, 2025, and will be removed soon. This timeline was chosen to align with the deprecation schedules for older Android and iOS versions. The stable alternative is the "<code dir="ltr">morelike</code>" action API in MediaWiki, and [[gerrit:c/mediawiki/services/mobileapps/+/982154/13/pagelib/src/transform/FooterReadMore.js|a migration example]] is available. The MediaWiki Interfaces team [[phab:T376297|can be contacted]] for any questions. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/GFC2IJO7L4BWO3YTM7C5HF4MCCBE2RJ2/] '''In depth''' * The latest quarterly [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Language and Product Localization/Newsletter/2025/January|Language and Internationalization newsletter]] is available. It includes: Updates about the "Contribute" menu; details on some of the newest language editions of Wikipedia; details on new languages supported by the MediaWiki interface; updates on the Community-defined lists feature; and more. * The latest [[mw:Extension:Chart/Project/Updates#January 2025: Better visibility into charts and tabular data usage|Chart Project newsletter]] is available. It includes updates on the progress towards bringing better visibility into global charts usage and support for categorizing pages in the Data namespace on Commons. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/07|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W07"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:12, 11 February 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28231022 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-08 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:2010 Malagasy constitutional referendum]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> A constitutional referendum was held in Madagascar on 17 November 2010, in which voters approved a proposal for the state's fourth Constitution. The Malagasy people were asked to answer "Yes" or "No" to the proposed new constitution, which was considered to help consolidate Andry Rajoelina's grip on power. At the time of the referendum, Rajoelina headed the governing Highest Transitional Authority (HAT), an interim junta established following the military-backed coup d'état against then President Marc Ravalomanana in March 2009. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:21, 17 February 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28245290 --> == Tech News: 2025-08 == <section begin="technews-2025-W08"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/08|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * Communities using growth tools can now showcase one event on the <code>{{#special:Homepage}}</code> for newcomers. This feature will help newcomers to be informed about editing activities they can participate in. Administrators can create a new event to showcase at <code>{{#special:CommunityConfiguration}}</code>. To learn more about this feature, please read [[diffblog:2025/02/12/community-updates-module-connecting-newcomers-to-your-initiatives/|the Diff post]], have a look [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Community updates module|at the documentation]], or contact [[mw:Talk:Growth|the Growth team]]. '''Updates for editors''' [[File:Page Frame Features on desktop.png|thumb|Highlighted talk pages improvements]] * Starting next week, talk pages at these wikis – {{int:project-localized-name-eswiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-frwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-itwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-jawiki/en}} – will get [[diffblog:2024/05/02/making-talk-pages-better-for-everyone/|a new design]]. This change was extensively tested as a Beta feature and is the last step of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Talk pages project/Feature summary|talk pages improvements]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T379102] * You can now navigate to view a redirect page directly from its action pages, such as the history page. Previously, you were forced to first go to the redirect target. This change should help editors who work with redirects a lot. Thanks to user stjn for this improvement. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T5324] * When a Cite reference is reused many times, wikis currently show either numbers like "1.23" or localized alphabetic markers like "a b c" in the reference list. Previously, if there were so many reuses that the alphabetic markers were all used, [[MediaWiki:Cite error references no backlink label|an error message]] was displayed. As part of the work to [[phab:T383036|modernize Cite customization]], these errors will no longer be shown and instead the backlinks will fall back to showing numeric markers like "1.23" once the alphabetic markers are all used. * The log entries for each change to an editor's user-groups are now clearer by specifying exactly what has changed, instead of the plain before and after listings. Translators can [[phab:T369466|help to update the localized versions]]. Thanks to user Msz2001 for these improvements. * A new filter has been added to the [[{{#special:Nuke}}]] tool, which allows administrators to mass delete pages, to enable users to filter for pages in a range of page sizes (in bytes). This allows, for example, deleting pages only of a certain size or below. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T378488] * Non-administrators can now check which pages are able to be deleted using the [[{{#special:Nuke}}]] tool. Thanks to user MolecularPilot for this and the previous improvements. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T376378] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:25}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:25|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, a bug was fixed in the configuration for the AV1 video file format, which enables these files to play again. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T382193] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Parsoid Read Views is going to be rolling out to most Wiktionaries over the next few weeks, following the successful transition of Wikivoyage to Parsoid Read Views last year. For more information, see the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Parsoid/Parser Unification|Parsoid/Parser Unification]] project page. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T385923][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T371640] * Developers of tools that run on-wiki should note that <code dir=ltr>mw.Uri</code> is deprecated. Tools requiring <code dir=ltr>mw.Uri</code> must explicitly declare <code dir=ltr>mediawiki.Uri</code> as a ResourceLoader dependency, and should migrate to the browser native <code dir=ltr>URL</code> API soon. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T384515] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/08|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W08"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 21:17, 17 February 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28275610 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-09 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Cooler Heads Coalition]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:de:Cooler Heads Coalition]])&#32;([[:fr:Cooler Heads Coalition]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Cooler Heads Coalition''' is a politically conservative "informal and ad-hoc group" in the United States, financed and operated by the Competitive Enterprise Institute. The group, which rejects the scientific consensus on climate change, made efforts to stop the government from addressing climate change. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:23, 24 February 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28300238 --> == Tech News: 2025-09 == <section begin="technews-2025-W09"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/09|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * Administrators can now customize how the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User language|Babel feature]] creates categories using [[{{#special:CommunityConfiguration/Babel}}]]. They can rename language categories, choose whether they should be auto-created, and adjust other settings. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T374348] * The <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[https://www.wikimedia.org/ wikimedia.org]</bdi> portal has been updated – and is receiving some ongoing improvements – to modernize and improve the accessibility of our portal pages. It now has better support for mobile layouts, updated wording and links, and better language support. Additionally, all of the Wikimedia project portals, such as <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[https://wikibooks.org wikibooks.org]</bdi>, now support dark mode when a reader is using that system setting. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T373204][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T368221][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Project_portals] * One new wiki has been created: a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wiktionary/en}} in [[d:Q33965|Santali]] ([[wikt:sat:|<code>wikt:sat:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T386619] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:30}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:30|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, a bug was fixed that prevented clicking on search results in the web-interface for some Firefox for Android phone configurations. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T381289] '''Meetings and events''' * The next Language Community Meeting is happening soon, February 28th at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1740751200 14:00 UTC]. This week's meeting will cover: highlights and technical updates on keyboard and tools for the Sámi languages, Translatewiki.net contributions from the Bahasa Lampung community in Indonesia, and technical Q&A. If you'd like to join, simply [[mw:Wikimedia Language and Product Localization/Community meetings#28 February 2025|sign up on the wiki page]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/09|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W09"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:42, 25 February 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28296129 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-10 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:pt:Transmissor de Ondas]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:en:Wave Transmitter]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Esq eletr transm ondas color.jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Transmissor de Ondas''' é um equipamento precursor do rádio, desenvolvido por Roberto Landell de Moura na década de 1890, capaz de transmitir áudio via ondas eletromagnéticas, com sua primeira demonstração pública documentada tendo ocorrido no dia 16 de julho de 1899. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:49, 3 March 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28317097 --> == Tech News: 2025-10 == <section begin="technews-2025-W10"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/10|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * All logged-in editors using the mobile view can now edit a full page. The "{{int:Minerva-page-actions-editfull}}" link is accessible from the "{{int:minerva-page-actions-overflow}}" menu in the toolbar. This was previously only available to editors using the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Advanced mobile contributions|Advanced mobile contributions]] setting. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T387180] * Interface administrators can now help to remove the deprecated Cite CSS code matching "<code dir="ltr">mw-ref</code>" from their local <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[MediaWiki:Common.css]]</bdi>. The list of wikis in need of cleanup, and the code to remove, [https://global-search.toolforge.org/?q=mw-ref%5B%5E-a-z%5D&regex=1&namespaces=8&title=.*css can be found with this global search] and in [https://ace.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css&oldid=145662#L-139--L-144 this example], and you can learn more about how to help on the [[mw:Parsoid/Parser Unification/Cite CSS|CSS migration project page]]. The Cite footnote markers ("<code dir="ltr">[1]</code>") are now rendered by [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Parsoid|Parsoid]], and the deprecated CSS is no longer needed. The CSS for backlinks ("<code dir="ltr">mw:referencedBy</code>") should remain in place for now. This cleanup is expected to cause no visible changes for readers. Please help to remove this code before March 20, after which the development team will do it for you. * When editors embed a file (e.g. <code><nowiki>[[File:MediaWiki.png]]</nowiki></code>) on a page that is protected with cascading protection, the software will no longer restrict edits to the file description page, only to new file uploads.[https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T24521] In contrast, transcluding a file description page (e.g. <code><nowiki>{{:File:MediaWiki.png}}</nowiki></code>) will now restrict edits to the page.[https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T62109] * When editors revert a file to an earlier version it will now require the same permissions as ordinarily uploading a new version of the file. The software now checks for 'reupload' or 'reupload-own' rights,[https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T304474] and respects cascading protection.[https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T140010] * When administrators are listing pages for deletion with the Nuke tool, they can now also list associated talk pages and redirects for deletion, alongside pages created by the target, rather than needing to manually delete these pages afterwards. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95797] * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/03|previously noted]] update to Single User Login, which will accommodate browser restrictions on cross-domain cookies by moving login and account creation to a central domain, will now roll out to all users during March and April. The team plans to enable it for all new account creation on [[wikitech:Deployments/Train#Tuesday|Group0]] wikis this week. See [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/MediaWiki Platform Team/SUL3#Deployment|the SUL3 project page]] for more details and an updated timeline. * Since last week there has been a bug that shows some interface icons as black squares until the page has fully loaded. It will be fixed this week. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T387351] * One new wiki has been created: a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia/en}} in [[d:Q2044560|Sylheti]] ([[w:syl:|<code>w:syl:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T386441] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:23}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:23|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, a bug was fixed with loading images in very old versions of the Firefox browser on mobile. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T386400] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.44/wmf.19|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/10|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W10"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 02:31, 4 March 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28334563 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-11 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:it:Smoky (mascotte olimpica)]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:en:Smoky (Olympic mascot)]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Smoky 1932 Olympic Village Mascot.webp|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Smoky''' (Los Angeles, 1931 o 1932 - Los Angeles, aprile 1934), occasionalmente scritto Smokey, è stato un cane che divenne la mascotte del villaggio olimpico estivo del 1932 e, successivamente, dell'evento generale. Pur non essendo oggi riconosciuto dal CIO, è stato, seppur non in modo ufficiale, la prima mascotte olimpica dei Giochi, oltre che a essere attualmente l'unica a essere stata un animale vero. Le successive edizioni non ebbero mascotte, dovendo aspettare i X Giochi olimpici invernali di Grenoble nel 1968 per ritrovarne una ufficialmente riconosciuta, lo sciatore stilizzato Schuss, allora non considerato ufficiale ma successivamente riconosciuto come tale. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:50, 10 March 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28317097 --> == Tech News: 2025-11 == <section begin="technews-2025-W11"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/11|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * Editors who use password managers at multiple wikis may notice changes in the future. The way that our wikis provide information to password managers about reusing passwords across domains has recently been updated, so some password managers might now offer you login credentials that you saved for a different Wikimedia site. Some password managers already did this, and are now doing it for more Wikimedia domains. This is part of the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/MediaWiki Platform Team/SUL3|SUL3 project]] which aims to improve how our unified login works, and to keep it compatible with ongoing changes to the web-browsers we use. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T385520][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T384844] * The Wikipedia Apps Team is inviting interested users to help improve Wikipedia’s offline and limited internet use. After discussions in [[m:Afrika Baraza|Afrika Baraza]] and the last [[m:Special:MyLanguage/ESEAP Hub/Meetings|ESEAP call]], key challenges like search, editing, and offline access are being explored, with upcoming focus groups to dive deeper into these topics. All languages are welcome, and interpretation will be available. Want to share your thoughts? [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Improving Wikipedia Mobile Apps for Offline & Limited Internet Use|Join the discussion]] or email <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">aramadan@wikimedia.org</bdi>! * All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on March 19. This is planned at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1742392800 14:00 UTC]. More information will be published in Tech News and will also be posted on individual wikis in the coming weeks. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:27}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:27|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.44/wmf.20|MediaWiki]] '''In depth''' * The latest quarterly [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Newsletters/33|Growth newsletter]] is available. It includes: the launch of the Community Updates module, the most recent changes in Community Configuration, and the upcoming test of in-article suggestions for first-time editors. * An old API that was previously used in the Android Wikipedia app is being removed at the end of March. There are no current software uses, but users of the app with a version that is older than 6 months by the time of removal (2025-03-31), will no longer have access to the Suggested Edits feature, until they update their app. You can [[diffblog:2025/02/24/sunset-of-wikimedia-recommendation-api/|read more details about this change]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/11|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W11"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:10, 10 March 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28372257 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-12 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Amazonas, o maior rio do mundo]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:pt:Amazonas, o maior rio do mundo]])&#32;([[:es:Amazonas, o maior rio do mundo]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Frame A from Amazonas, o maior rio do mundo.jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''''Amazonas, o maior rio do mundo''''' (lit. 'Amazon: The Greatest River in the World') is a 1922 Brazilian silent documentary film produced in 1918 by Silvino Santos. It is a black-and-white film that portrays life in the Amazon rainforest. Completed in 1920, it is considered one of the oldest cinematic records of the Amazon. It was presumed lost in 1931 and only rediscovered in 2023 at the Czech Film Archive. Silvino Santos produced the work over three years using sophisticated cinematic techniques, which led it to be deemed of "immense artistic value" by Le Monde. It has also been described as the "Holy Grail of Brazilian silent cinema" by The Guardian. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:57, 17 March 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28392163 --> == Tech News: 2025-12 == <section begin="technews-2025-W12"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/12|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * Twice a year, around the equinoxes, the Wikimedia Foundation's Site Reliability Engineering (SRE) team performs [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/Server switch|a datacenter server switchover]], redirecting all traffic from one primary server to its backup. This provides reliability in case of a crisis, as we can always fall back on the other datacenter. [http://listen.hatnote.com/ Thanks to the Listen to Wikipedia] tool, you can hear the switchover take place: Before it begins, you'll hear the steady stream of edits; Then, as the system enters a brief read-only phase, the sound stops for a couple of minutes, before resuming after the switchover. You can [[diffblog:2025/03/12/hear-that-the-wikis-go-silent-twice-a-year/|read more about the background and details of this process on the Diff blog]]. If you want to keep an ear out for the next server switchover, listen to the wikis on [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1742392800 March 19 at 14:00 UTC]. '''Updates for editors''' * The [https://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ContentTranslation&filter-type=automatic&filter-id=previous-edits&active-list=suggestions&from=en&to=es improved Content Translation tool dashboard] is now available in [[phab:T387820|10 Wikipedias]] and will be available for all Wikipedias [[phab:T387821|soon]]. With [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Content translation#Improved translation experience|the unified dashboard]], desktop users can now: Translate new sections of an article; Discover and access topic-based [https://ig.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ContentTranslation&active-list=suggestions&from=en&to=ig&filter-type=automatic&filter-id=previous-edits article suggestion filters] (initially available only for mobile device users); Discover and access the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Translation suggestions: Topic-based & Community-defined lists|Community-defined lists]] filter, also known as "Collections", from wiki-projects and campaigns. * On Wikimedia Commons, a [[c:Commons:WMF support for Commons/Upload Wizard Improvements#Improve category selection|new system to select the appropriate file categories]] has been introduced: if a category has one or more subcategories, users will be able to click on an arrow that will open the subcategories directly within the form, and choose the correct one. The parent category name will always be shown on top, and it will always be possible to come back to it. This should decrease the amount of work for volunteers in fixing/creating new categories. The change is also available on mobile. These changes are part of planned improvements to the UploadWizard. * The Community Tech team is seeking wikis to join a pilot for the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|Multiblocks]] feature and a refreshed Special:Block page in late March. Multiblocks enables administrators to impose multiple different types of blocks on the same user at the same time. If you are an admin or steward and would like us to discuss joining the pilot with your community, please leave a message on the [[m:Talk:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|project talk page]]. * Starting March 25, the Editing team will test a new feature for Edit Check at [[phab:T384372|12 Wikipedias]]: [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Edit check#Multi-check|Multi-Check]]. Half of the newcomers on these wikis will see all [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Edit check#ref|Reference Checks]] during their edit session, while the other half will continue seeing only one. The goal of this test is to see if users are confused or discouraged when shown multiple Reference Checks (when relevant) within a single editing session. At these wikis, the tags used on edits that show References Check will be simplified, as multiple tags could be shown within a single edit. Changes to the tags are documented [[phab:T373949|on Phabricator]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T379131] * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Global reminder bot|Global reminder bot]], which is a service for notifying users that their temporary user-rights are about to expire, now supports using the localized name of the user-rights group in the message heading. Translators can see the [[m:Global reminder bot/Translation|listing of existing translations and documentation]] to check if their language needs updating or creation. * The [[Special:GlobalPreferences|GlobalPreferences]] gender setting, which is used for how the software should refer to you in interface messages, now works as expected by overriding the local defaults. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T386584] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:26}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:26|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the Wikipedia App for Android had a bug fixed for when a user is browsing and searching in multiple languages. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T379777] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Later this week, the way that Codex styles are loaded will be changing. There is a small risk that this may result in unstyled interface message boxes on certain pages. User generated content (e.g. templates) is not impacted. Gadgets may be impacted. If you see any issues [[phab:T388847|please report them]]. See the linked task for details, screenshots, and documentation on how to fix any affected gadgets. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.44/wmf.21|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/12|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W12"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:48, 17 March 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28412594 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-13 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Ali of the Eretnids]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:tr:Alaaddin Ali Bey]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Ala al-Din Ali''' (January 1353 – August 1380) was the third Sultan of the Eretnids ruling from 1366 until his death. He inherited the throne at a very early age and was removed from administrative matters. He was characterized as particularly keen on personal pleasures, which later discredited his authority. During his rule, emirs under the Eretnids enjoyed considerable autonomy, and the state continued to shrink as neighboring powers captured several towns. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:59, 24 March 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28433698 --> == Tech News: 2025-13 == <section begin="technews-2025-W13"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/13|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The Wikimedia Foundation is seeking your feedback on the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Product & Technology OKRs|drafts of the objectives and key results that will shape the Foundation's Product and Technology priorities]] for the next fiscal year (starting in July). The objectives are broad high-level areas, and the key-results are measurable ways to track the success of their objectives. Please share your feedback on the talkpage, in any language, ideally before the end of April. '''Updates for editors''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents extension]] will be released to multiple wikis (see [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents/Deployment status#Global Deployment Plan|deployment plan]] for details) in April 2025, and the team has begun the process of engaging communities on the identified wikis. The extension provides tools to organize, manage, and promote collaborative activities (like events, edit-a-thons, and WikiProjects) on the wikis. The extension has three tools: [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event Center/Registration|Event Registration]], [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents/Collaboration list|Collaboration List]], and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Campaigns/Foundation Product Team/Invitation list|Invitation Lists]]. It is currently on 13 Wikipedias, including English Wikipedia, French Wikipedia, and Spanish Wikipedia, as well as Wikidata. Questions or requests can be directed to the [[mw:Help talk:Extension:CampaignEvents|extension talk page]] or in Phabricator (with <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr" style="white-space: nowrap;">#campaigns-product-team</bdi> tag). * Starting the week of March 31st, wikis will be able to set which user groups can view private registrants in [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event Center/Registration|Event Registration]], as part of the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents]] extension. By default, event organizers and the local wiki admins will be able to see private registrants. This is a change from the current behavior, in which only event organizers can see private registrants. Wikis can change the default setup by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Requesting wiki configuration changes|requesting a configuration change]] in Phabricator (and adding the <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr" style="white-space: nowrap;">#campaigns-product-team</bdi> tag). Participants of past events can cancel their registration at any time. * Administrators at wikis that have a customized <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[MediaWiki:Sidebar]]</bdi> should check that it contains an entry for the {{int:specialpages}} listing. If it does not, they should add it using <code dir=ltr style="white-space: nowrap;">* specialpages-url|specialpages</code>. Wikis with a default sidebar will see the link moved from the page toolbox into the sidebar menu in April. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T388927] * The Minerva skin (mobile web) combines both Notice and Alert notifications within the bell icon ([[File:OOjs UI icon bell.svg|16px|link=|class=skin-invert]]). There was a long-standing bug where an indication for new notifications was only shown if you had unseen Alerts. This bug is now fixed. In the future, Minerva users will notice a counter atop the bell icon when you have 1 or more unseen Notices and/or Alerts. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T344029] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:23}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:23|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * VisualEditor has introduced a [[mw:VisualEditor/Hooks|new client-side hook]] for developers to use when integrating with the VisualEditor target lifecycle. This hook should replace the existing lifecycle-related hooks, and be more consistent between different platforms. In addition, the new hook will apply to uses of VisualEditor outside of just full article editing, allowing gadgets to interact with the editor in DiscussionTools as well. The Editing Team intends to deprecate and eventually remove the old lifecycle hooks, so any use cases that this new hook does not cover would be of interest to them and can be [[phab:T355555|shared in the task]]. * Developers who use the <code dir=ltr>mw.Api</code> JavaScript library, can now identify the tool using it with the <code dir=ltr>userAgent</code> parameter: <code dir=ltr>var api = new mw.Api( { userAgent: 'GadgetNameHere/1.0.1' } );</code>. If you maintain a gadget or user script, please set a user agent, because it helps with library and server maintenance and with differentiating between legitimate and illegitimate traffic. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T373874][https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Wikimedia_Foundation_User-Agent_Policy] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.44/wmf.22|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/13|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W13"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 22:43, 24 March 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28443127 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-14 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Chilembwe uprising]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Chilembwe supporters being led to be executed (cropped).jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Chilembwe uprising''' was a rebellion against British colonial rule in Nyasaland (modern-day Malawi) which took place in January 1915. It was led by John Chilembwe, an American-educated Baptist minister. Based around his church in the village of Mbombwe in the south-east of the colony, the leaders of the revolt were mainly from an emerging black middle class. They were motivated by grievances against the British colonial system, which included forced labour, racial discrimination and new demands imposed on the African population following the outbreak of World War I. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 03:52, 31 March 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28454663 --> == Tech News: 2025-14 == <section begin="technews-2025-W14"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/14|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * The Editing team is working on a new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Edit Check|Edit check]]: [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Edit check#26 March 2025|Peacock check]]. This check's goal is to identify non-neutral terms while a user is editing a wikipage, so that they can be informed that their edit should perhaps be changed before they publish it. This project is at the early stages, and the team is looking for communities' input: [[phab:T389445|in this Phabricator task]], they are gathering on-wiki policies, templates used to tag non-neutral articles, and the terms (jargon and keywords) used in edit summaries for the languages they are currently researching. You can participate by editing the table on Phabricator, commenting on the task, or directly messaging [[m:user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek (WMF)]]. * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/MediaWiki Platform Team/SUL3|Single User Login]] has now been updated on all wikis to move login and account creation to a central domain. This makes user login compatible with browser restrictions on cross-domain cookies, which have prevented users of some browsers from staying logged in. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:35}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:35|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Starting on March 31st, the MediaWiki Interfaces team will begin a limited release of generated OpenAPI specs and a SwaggerUI-based sandbox experience for [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/API:REST API|MediaWiki REST APIs]]. They invite developers from a limited group of non-English Wikipedia communities (Arabic, German, French, Hebrew, Interlingua, Dutch, Chinese) to review the documentation and experiment with the sandbox in their preferred language. In addition to these specific Wikipedia projects, the sandbox and OpenAPI spec will be available on the [[testwiki:Special:RestSandbox|on the test wiki REST Sandbox special page]] for developers with English as their preferred language. During the preview period, the MediaWiki Interfaces Team also invites developers to [[mw:MediaWiki Interfaces Team/Feature Feedback/REST Sandbox|share feedback about your experience]]. The preview will last for approximately 2 weeks, after which the sandbox and OpenAPI specs will be made available across all wiki projects. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.44/wmf.23|MediaWiki]] '''In depth''' * Sometimes a small, [[gerrit:c/operations/cookbooks/+/1129184|one line code change]] can have great significance: in this case, it means that for the first time in years we're able to run all of the stack serving <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[http://maps.wikimedia.org/ maps.wikimedia.org]</bdi> - a host dedicated to serving our wikis and their multi-lingual maps needs - from a single core datacenter, something we test every time we perform a [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/Server switch|datacenter switchover]]. This is important because it means that in case one of our datacenters is affected by a catastrophe, we'll still be able to serve the site. This change is the result of [[phab:T216826|extensive work]] by two developers on porting the last component of the maps stack over to [[w:en:Kubernetes|kubernetes]], where we can allocate resources more efficiently than before, thus we're able to withstand more traffic in a single datacenter. This work involved a lot of complicated steps because this software, and the software libraries it uses, required many long overdue upgrades. This type of work makes the Wikimedia infrastructure more sustainable. '''Meetings and events''' * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/MediaWiki Users and Developers Workshop Spring 2025|MediaWiki Users and Developers Workshop Spring 2025]] is happening in Sandusky, USA, and online, from 14–16 May 2025. The workshop will feature discussions around the usage of MediaWiki software by and within companies in different industries and will inspire and onboard new users. Registration and presentation signup is now available at the workshop's website. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/14|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W14"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:06, 1 April 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28473566 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-15 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:1930 Bago earthquake]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:my:၁၉၃၀ ပဲခူးငလျင်]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Thiao Mueang Phama (1955, p. 165).jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> An earthquake affected Myanmar on 5 May 1930 with a moment magnitude (Mw ) 7.4. The shock occurred 35 km (22 mi) beneath the surface with a maximum Rossi–Forel intensity of IX (Devastating tremor). The earthquake was the result of rupture along a 131 km (81 mi) segment of the Sagaing Fault—a major strike-slip fault that runs through the country. Extensive damage was reported in the southern part of the country, particularly in Bago and Yangon, where buildings collapsed and fires erupted. At least 550, and possibly up to 7,000 people were killed. A moderate tsunami struck the Burmese coast which caused minor damage to ships and a port. It was felt for over 570,000 km2 (220,000 sq mi) and as far as Shan State and Thailand. The mainshock was followed by many aftershocks; several were damaging. The December earthquake was similarly sized which also occurred along the Sagaing Fault. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:54, 7 April 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28454663 --> == Tech News: 2025-15 == <section begin="technews-2025-W15"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/15|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * From now on, [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Interface administrators|interface admins]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Central notice administrators|centralnotice admins]] are technically required to enable [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Two-factor authentication|two-factor authentication]] before they can use their privileges. In the future this might be expanded to more groups with advanced user-rights. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T150898] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:20}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:20|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The Design System Team is preparing to release the next major version of Codex (v2.0.0) on April 29. Editors and developers who use CSS from Codex should see the [[mw:Codex/Release Timeline/2.0|2.0 overview documentation]], which includes guidance related to a few of the breaking changes such as <code dir=ltr style="white-space: nowrap;">font-size</code>, <code dir=ltr style="white-space: nowrap;">line-height</code>, and <code dir=ltr style="white-space: nowrap;">size-icon</code>. * The results of the [[mw:Developer Satisfaction Survey/2025|Developer Satisfaction Survey (2025)]]  are now available. Thank you to all participants. These results help the Foundation decide what to work on next and to review what they recently worked on. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.44/wmf.24|MediaWiki]] '''Meetings and events''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Hackathon 2025|2025 Wikimedia Hackathon]] will take place in Istanbul, Turkey, between 2–4 May. Registration for attending the in-person event will close on 13 April. Before registering, please note the potential need for a [https://www.mfa.gov.tr/turkish-representations.en.mfa visa] or [https://www.mfa.gov.tr/visa-information-for-foreigners.en.mfa e-visa] to enter the country. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/15|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W15"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 18:53, 7 April 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28507470 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-16 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Museum of Zoology of the University of São Paulo]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:pt:Museu de Zoologia da Universidade de São Paulo]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Museu de Zoologia da USP 02.jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Museum of Zoology of the University of São Paulo''' (Portuguese: Museu de Zoologia da Universidade de São Paulo, abbreviated MZUSP) is a public natural history museum located in the historic Ipiranga district of São Paulo, Brazil. The MZUSP is an educational and research institution that is part of the University of São Paulo. The museum began at the end of the 19th century as part of the Museu Paulista; in 1941, it moved into a dedicated building. In 1969 the museum became a part of the University of São Paulo, receiving its current name. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:27, 14 April 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28454663 --> == Tech News: 2025-16 == <section begin="technews-2025-W16"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/16|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * Later this week, the default thumbnail size will be increased from 220px to 250px. This changes how pages are shown in all wikis and has been requested by some communities for many years, but wasn't previously possible due to technical limitations. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T355914] * File thumbnails are now stored in discrete sizes. If a page specifies a thumbnail size that's not among the standard sizes (20, 40, 60, 120, 250, 330, 500, 960), then MediaWiki will pick the closest larger thumbnail size but will tell the browser to downscale it to the requested size. In these cases, nothing will change visually but users might load slightly larger images. If it doesn't matter which thumbnail size is used in a page, please pick one of the standard sizes to avoid the extra in-browser down-scaling step. [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Images#Thumbnail_sizes][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T355914] '''Updates for editors''' * The Wikimedia Foundation are working on a system called [[m:Edge Uniques|Edge Uniques]] which will enable [[:w:en:A/B testing|A/B testing]], help protect against [[:w:en:Denial-of-service attack|Distributed denial-of-service attacks]] (DDoS attacks), and make it easier to understand how many visitors the Wikimedia sites have. This is so that they can more efficiently build tools which help readers, and make it easier for readers to find what they are looking for. * To improve security for users, a small percentage of logins will now require that the account owner input a one-time password [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:EmailAuth|emailed to their account]]. It is recommended that you [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-personal-email|check]] that the email address on your account is set correctly, and that it has been confirmed, and that you have an email set for this purpose. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T390662] * "Are you interested in taking a short survey to improve tools used for reviewing or reverting edits on your Wiki?" This question will be [[phab:T389401|asked at 7 wikis starting next week]], on Recent Changes and Watchlist pages. The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Moderator Tools|Moderator Tools team]] wants to know more about activities that involve looking at new edits made to your Wikimedia project, and determining whether they adhere to your project's policies. * On April 15, the full Wikidata graph will no longer be supported on <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr">[https://query.wikidata.org/ query.wikidata.org]</bdi>. After this date, scholarly articles will be available through <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr" style="white-space:nowrap;">[https://query-scholarly.wikidata.org/ query-scholarly.wikidata.org]</bdi>, while the rest of the data hosted on Wikidata will be available through the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr">[https://query.wikidata.org/ query.wikidata.org]</bdi> endpoint. This is part of the scheduled split of the Wikidata Graph, which was [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:SPARQL query service/WDQS backend update/September 2024 scaling update|announced in September 2024]]. More information is [[d:Wikidata:SPARQL query service/WDQS graph split|available on Wikidata]]. * The latest quarterly [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Newsletter/First quarter of 2025|Wikimedia Apps Newsletter]] is now available. It covers updates, experiments, and improvements made to the Wikipedia mobile apps. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:30}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:30|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The latest quarterly [[mw:Technical Community Newsletter/2025/April|Technical Community Newsletter]] is now available. This edition includes: an invitation for tool maintainers to attend the Toolforge UI Community Feedback Session on April 15th; recent community metrics; and recent technical blog posts. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.44/wmf.25|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/16|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W16"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:25, 15 April 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28540654 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-17 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Fear of crime]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:ar:الخوف من الجريمة]])&#32;([[:it:Criminofobia]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Fear of crime''' refers to the fear of being a victim of crime, which is not necessarily reflective of the actual probability of being such a victim. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:23, 21 April 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28559524 --> == Tech News: 2025-17 == <section begin="technews-2025-W17"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/17|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Main Page|Wikifunctions]] is now integrated with [[w:dag:Solɔɣu|Dagbani Wikipedia]] since April 15. It is the first project that will be able to call [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Introduction|functions from Wikifunctions]] and integrate them in articles. A function is something that takes one or more inputs and transforms them into a desired output, such as adding up two numbers, converting miles into metres, calculating how much time has passed since an event, or declining a word into a case. Wikifunctions will allow users to do that through a simple call of [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Catalogue|a stable and global function]], rather than via a local template. [https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status_updates/2025-04-16] * A new type of lint error has been created: [[Special:LintErrors/empty-heading|{{int:linter-category-empty-heading}}]] ([[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Lint errors/empty-heading|documentation]]). The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:Linter|Linter extension]]'s purpose is to identify wikitext patterns that must or can be fixed in pages and provide some guidance about what the problems are with those patterns and how to fix them. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T368722] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:37}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:37|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Following its publication on HuggingFace, the "Structured Contents" dataset, developed by Wikimedia Enterprise, is [https://enterprise.wikimedia.com/blog/kaggle-dataset/ now also available on Kaggle]. This Beta initiative is focused on making Wikimedia data more machine-readable for high-volume reusers. They are releasing this beta version in a location that open dataset communities already use, in order to seek feedback, to help improve the product for a future wider release. You can read more about the overall [https://enterprise.wikimedia.com/blog/structured-contents-snapshot-api/#open-datasets Structured Contents project], and about the [https://enterprise.wikimedia.com/blog/structured-contents-wikipedia-infobox/ first release that's freely usable]. * There is no new MediaWiki version this week. '''Meetings and events''' * The Editing and Machine Learning Teams invite interested volunteers to a video meeting to discuss [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Edit check/Peacock check|Peacock check]], which is the latest [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Edit check|Edit check]] that will detect "peacock" or "overly-promotional" or "non-neutral" language whilst an editor is typing. Editors who work with newcomers, or help to fix this kind of writing, or are interested in how we use artificial intelligence in our projects are encouraged to attend. The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Editing team/Community Conversations#Next Conversation|meeting will be on April 28, 2025]] at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1745863200 18:00–19:00 UTC] and hosted on Zoom. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/17|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W17"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 21:01, 21 April 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28578245 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-18 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Heritage preservation in South Korea]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Korean.Dance-03.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The heritage preservation system of South Korea is a multi-level program aiming to preserve and cultivate Korean cultural heritage. The program is administered by the Cultural Heritage Administration (CHA), and the legal framework is provided by the Cultural Heritage Protection Act of 1962, last updated in 2012. The program started in 1962 and has gradually been extended and upgraded since then. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 00:57, 28 April 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28583422 --> == Tech News: 2025-18 == <section begin="technews-2025-W18"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/18|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * Event organizers who host collaborative activities on [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents/Deployment status#Global Deployment Plan|multiple wikis]], including Bengali, Japanese, and Korean Wikipedias, will have access to the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents extension]] this week. Also, admins in the Wikipedia where the extension is enabled will automatically be granted the event organizer right soon. They won't have to manually grant themselves the right before they can manage events as [[phab:T386861|requested by a community]]. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:19}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:19|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The release of the next major version of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Codex|Codex]], the design system for Wikimedia, is scheduled for 29 April 2025. Technical editors will have access to the release by the week of 5 May 2025. This update will include a number of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Codex/Release_Timeline/2.0#Breaking_changes|breaking changes]] and minor [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Codex/Release_Timeline/2.0#Visual_changes|visual changes]]. Instructions on handling the breaking and visual changes are documented on [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Codex/Release Timeline/2.0#|this page]]. Pre-release testing is reported in [[phab:T386298|T386298]], with post-release issues tracked in [[phab:T392379|T392379]] and [[phab:T392390|T392390]]. * Users of [[wikitech:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Wiki_Replicas|Wiki Replicas]] will notice that the database views of <code dir="ltr">ipblocks</code>, <code dir="ltr">ipblocks_ipindex</code>, and <code dir="ltr">ipblocks_compat</code> are [[phab:T390767|now deprecated]]. Users can query the <code dir="ltr">[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Block_table|block]]</code> and <code dir="ltr">[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Block_target_table|block_target]]</code> new views that mirror the new tables in the production database instead. The deprecated views will be removed entirely from Wiki Replicas in June, 2025. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.44/wmf.27|MediaWiki]] '''In depth''' * The latest quarterly [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Language and Product Localization/Newsletter/2025/April|Language and Internationalization Newsletter]] is now available. This edition includes an overview of the improved [https://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ContentTranslation&campaign=contributionsmenu&to=es&filter-type=automatic&filter-id=previous-edits&active-list=suggestions&from=en#/ Content Translation Dashboard Tool], [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Language and Product Localization/Newsletter/2025/April#Language Support for New and Existing Languages|support for new languages]], [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Language and Product Localization/Newsletter/2025/April#Wiki Loves Ramadan Articles Made In Content Translation Mobile Workflow|highlights from the Wiki Loves Ramadan campaign]], [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Research:Languages Onboarding Experiment 2024 - Executive Summary|results from the Language Onboarding Experiment]], an analysis of topic diversity in articles, and information on upcoming community meetings and events. '''Meetings and events''' * The [[Special:MyLanguage/Grants:Knowledge_Sharing/Connect/Calendar|Let's Connect Learning Clinic]] will take place on [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1745937000 April 29 at 14:30 UTC]. This edition will focus on "Understanding and Navigating Conflict in Wikimedia Projects". You can [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Learning Clinic %E2%80%93 Understanding and Navigating Conflict in Wikimedia Projects (Part_1)|register now]] to attend. * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Hackathon 2025|2025 Wikimedia Hackathon]], which brings the global technical community together to connect, brainstorm, and hack existing projects, will take place from May 2 to 4th, 2025, at Istanbul, Turkey. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/18|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W18"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 19:32, 28 April 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28585685 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-19 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Lhamana]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:We-Wa, a Zuni berdache, weaving - NARA - 523796 (cropped).jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Lhamana''', in traditional Zuni culture, are biologically male people who take on the social and ceremonial roles usually performed by women in their culture, at least some of the time. They wear a mixture of women's and men's clothing and much of their work is in the areas usually occupied by Zuni women. Some contemporary lhamana participate in the pan-Indian two-spirit community. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 07:28, 5 May 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28583422 --> == Tech News: 2025-19 == <section begin="technews-2025-W19"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/19|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The Wikimedia Foundation has shared the latest draft update to their [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026|annual plan]] for next year (July 2025–June 2026). This includes an [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026|executive summary]] (also on [[diffblog:2025/04/25/sharing-the-wikimedia-foundations-2025-2026-draft-annual-plan/|Diff]]), details about the three main [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Goals|goals]] ([[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Product & Technology OKRs|Infrastructure]], [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Goals/Volunteer Support|Volunteer Support]], and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Goals/Effectiveness|Effectiveness]]), [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Global Trends|global trends]], and the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Budget Overview|budget]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Financial Model|financial model]]. Feedback and questions are welcome on the [[m:Talk:Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026|talk page]] until the end of May. '''Updates for editors''' * For wikis that have the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents/Deployment status|CampaignEvents extension enabled]], two new feature improvements have been released: ** Admins can now choose which namespaces are permitted for [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event Center/Registration|Event Registration]] via [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Community Configuration|Community Configuration]] ([[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CampaignEvents/Registration/Permitted namespaces|documentation]]). The default setup is for event registration to be permitted in the Event namespace, but other namespaces (such as the project namespace or WikiProject namespace) can now be added. With this change, communities like WikiProjects can now more easily use Event Registration for their collaborative activities. ** Editors can now [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Transclusion|transclude]] the Collaboration List on a wiki page ([[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CampaignEvents/Collaboration list/Transclusion|documentation]]). The Collaboration List is an automated list of events and WikiProjects on the wikis, accessed via {{#special:AllEvents}} ([[w:en:Special:AllEvents|example]]). Now, the Collaboration List can be added to all sorts of wiki pages, such as: a wiki mainpage, a WikiProject page, an affiliate page, an event page, or even a user page. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:27}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:27|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Developers who use the <code dir=ltr>moment</code> library in gadgets and user scripts should revise their code to use alternatives like the <code dir=ltr>Intl</code> library or the new <code dir=ltr>mediawiki.DateFormatter</code> library. The <code dir=ltr>moment</code> library has been deprecated and will begin to log messages in the developer console. You can see a global search for current uses, and [[phab:T392532|ask related questions in this Phabricator task]]. * Developers who maintain a tool that queries the Wikidata term store tables (<code dir=ltr style="white-space: nowrap;">wbt_*</code>) need to update their code to connect to a separate database cluster. These tables are being split into a separate database cluster. Tools that query those tables via the wiki replicas must be adapted to connect to the new cluster instead. [[wikitech:News/2025 Wikidata term store database split|Documentation and related links are available]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T390954] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.44/wmf.28|MediaWiki]] '''In depth''' * The latest [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project/Updates|Chart Project newsletter]] is available. It includes updates on preparing to expand the deployment to additional wikis as soon as this week (starting May 6) and scaling up over the following weeks, plus exploring filtering and transforming source data. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/19|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W19"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:15, 6 May 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28665011 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-20 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:it:Gruppo del Sileno]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Parco3.JPG|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Sileno ed Egle con Mnasilo e Cromi''', meglio noto come Gruppo del Sileno, è un monumento in marmo di Carrara, realizzato da Jean-Baptiste Boudard nel 1765 per il Giardino Ducale di Parma; sostituito nel 1991 con una copia in polvere di marmo e resina, l'originale si trova provvisoriamente nel chiostro della Fontana del monastero di San Paolo, in attesa della definitiva collocazione prevista all'interno del palazzetto Eucherio Sanvitale nel parco Ducale. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:28, 12 May 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28709947 --> == Tech News: 2025-20 == <section begin="technews-2025-W20"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/20|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia URL Shortener|"Get shortened URL"]] link on the sidebar now includes a [[phab:T393309|QR code]]. Wikimedia site users can now use it by scanning or downloading it to quickly share and access shared content from Wikimedia sites, conveniently. '''Updates for editors''' * The Wikimedia Foundation is working on a system called [[m:Edge Uniques|Edge Uniques]], which will enable [[w:en:A/B testing|A/B testing]], help protect against [[w:en:Denial-of-service attack|distributed denial-of-service attacks]] (DDoS attacks), and make it easier to understand how many visitors the Wikimedia sites have. This is to help more efficiently build tools which help readers, and make it easier for readers to find what they are looking for. Tech News has [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/16|previously written about this]]. The deployment will be gradual. Some might see the Edge Uniques cookie the week of 19 May. You can discuss this on the [[m:Talk:Edge Uniques|talk page]]. * Starting May 19, 2025, Event organisers in wikis with the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents extension]] enabled can use [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event Center/Registration|Event Registration]] in the project namespace (e.g., Wikipedia namespace, Wikidata namespace). With this change, communities don't need admins to use the feature. However, wikis that don't want this change can remove and add the permitted namespaces at [[Special:CommunityConfiguration/CampaignEvents]]. * The Wikipedia project now has a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia/en}} in [[d:Q36720|Nupe]] ([[w:nup:|<code>w:nup:</code>]]). This is a language primarily spoken in the North Central region of Nigeria. Speakers of this language are invited to contribute to [[w:nup:Tatacin feregi|new Wikipedia]]. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:27}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:27|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Developers can now access pre-parsed Dutch Wikipedia, amongst others (English, German, French, Spanish, Italian, and Portuguese) through the [https://enterprise.wikimedia.com/docs/snapshot/#structured-contents-snapshot-bundle-info-beta Structured Contents snapshots (beta)]. The content includes parsed Wikipedia abstracts, descriptions, main images, infoboxes, article sections, and references. * The <code dir="ltr">/page/data-parsoid</code> REST API endpoint is no longer in use and will be deprecated. It is [[phab:T393557|scheduled to be turned off]] on June 7, 2025. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.1|MediaWiki]] '''In depth''' * The [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/News/2025_Cloud_VPS_VXLAN_IPv6_migration IPv6 support] is a newly introduced Cloud virtual network that significantly boosts Wikimedia platforms' scalability, security, and readiness for the future. If you are a technical contributor eager to learn more, check out [https://techblog.wikimedia.org/2025/05/06/wikimedia-cloud-vps-ipv6-support/ this blog post] for an in-depth look at the journey to IPv6. '''Meetings and events''' * The 2nd edition of 2025 of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Afrika Baraza|Afrika Baraza]], a virtual platform for African Wikimedians to connect, will take place on [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1747328400 May 15 at 17:00 UTC]. This edition will focus on discussions regarding [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026|Wikimedia Annual planning and progress]]. * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/MENA Connect Community Call|MENA Connect Community Call]], a virtual meeting for [[w:en:Middle East and North Africa|MENA]] Wikimedians to connect, will take place on [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1747501200 May 17 at 17:00 UTC]. You can [[m:Event:MENA Connect (Wiki_Diwan) APP Call|register now]] to attend. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/20|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W20"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 22:38, 12 May 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28714188 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-21 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Lorrin A. Thurston]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:fi:Lorrin Thurston]])&#32;([[:ko:로린 A. 서스턴]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Lorrinandrewsthurston1892.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Lorrin Andrews Thurston''' (July 31, 1858 – May 11, 1931) was a Hawaiian citizen lawyer, politician, and businessman. Thurston played a prominent role in the revolution that overthrew the Hawaiian Kingdom to replace Queen Liliʻuokalani with the Republic of Hawaii, with discreet US support for which Congress much later apologized. He published the Pacific Commercial Advertiser (a forerunner of the present-day Honolulu Star-Advertiser), and owned other enterprises. From 1906 to 1916, he and his network lobbied with national politicians to create a national park to preserve the Hawaiian volcanoes. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:33, 19 May 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28731710 --> == Tech News: 2025-21 == <section begin="technews-2025-W21"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/21|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The Editing Team and the Machine Learning Team are working on a new check for newcomers: [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check|Peacock check]]. Using a prediction model, this check will encourage editors to improve the tone of their edits, using artificial intelligence. We invite volunteers to review the first version of the Peacock language model for the following languages: Arabic, Spanish, Portuguese, English, and Japanese. Users from these wikis interested in reviewing this model are [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check/model test|invited to sign up at MediaWiki.org]]. The deadline to sign up is on May 23, which will be the start date of the test. '''Updates for editors''' * From May 20, 2025, [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Oversight policy|oversighters]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Meta:CheckUsers|checkusers]] will need to have their accounts secured with two-factor authentication (2FA) to be able to use their advanced rights. All users who belong to these two groups and do not have 2FA enabled have been informed. In the future, this requirement may be extended to other users with advanced rights. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Mandatory two-factor authentication for users with some extended rights|Learn more]]. * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]] [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|Multiblocks]] will begin mass deployment by the end of the month: all non-Wikipedia projects plus Catalan Wikipedia will adopt Multiblocks in the week of May 26, while all other Wikipedias will adopt it in the week of June 2. Please [[m:Talk:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|contact the team]] if you have concerns. Administrators can test the new user interface now on your own wiki by browsing to [{{fullurl:Special:Block|usecodex=1}} {{#special:Block}}?usecodex=1], and can test the full multiblocks functionality [[testwiki:Special:Block|on testwiki]]. Multiblocks is the feature that makes it possible for administrators to impose different types of blocks on the same user at the same time. See the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|help page]] for more information. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377121] * Later this week, the [[{{#special:SpecialPages}}]] listing of almost all special pages will be updated with a new design. This page has been [[phab:T219543|redesigned]] to improve the user experience in a few ways, including: The ability to search for names and aliases of the special pages, sorting, more visible marking of restricted special pages, and a more mobile-friendly look. The new version can be [https://meta.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages previewed] at Beta Cluster now, and feedback shared in the task. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T219543] * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Chart extension]] is being enabled on more wikis. For a detailed list of when the extension will be enabled on your wiki, please read the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|deployment timeline]]. * [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Main Page|Wikifunctions]] will be deployed on May 27 on five Wiktionaries: [[wikt:ha:|Hausa]], [[wikt:ig:|Igbo]], [[wikt:bn:|Bengali]], [[wikt:ml:|Malayalam]], and [[wikt:dv:|Dhivehi/Maldivian]]. This is the second batch of deployment planned for the project. After deployment, the projects will be able to call [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Introduction|functions from Wikifunctions]] and integrate them in their pages. A function is something that takes one or more inputs and transforms them into a desired output, such as adding up two numbers, converting miles into metres, calculating how much time has passed since an event, or declining a word into a case. Wikifunctions will allow users to do that through a simple call of [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Catalogue|a stable and global function]], rather than via a local template. * Later this week, the Wikimedia Foundation will publish a hub for [[diffblog:2024/07/09/on-the-value-of-experimentation/|experiments]]. This is to showcase and get user feedback on product experiments. The experiments help the Wikimedia movement [[diffblog:2023/07/13/exploring-paths-for-the-future-of-free-knowledge-new-wikipedia-chatgpt-plugin-leveraging-rich-media-social-apps-and-other-experiments/|understand new users]], how they interact with the internet and how it could affect the Wikimedia movement. Some examples are [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Generated Video|generated video]], the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Roblox game|Wikipedia Roblox speedrun game]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Discord bot|the Discord bot]]. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:29}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:29|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, there was a bug with creating an account using the API, which has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T390751] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Gadgets and user scripts that interact with [[{{#special:Block}}]] may need to be updated to work with the new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|manage blocks interface]]. Please review the [[mw:Help:Manage blocks/Developers|developer guide]] for more information. If you need help or are unable to adapt your script to the new interface, please let the team know on the [[mw:Help talk:Manage blocks/Developers|talk page]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377121] * The <code dir=ltr>mw.title</code> object allows you to get information about a specific wiki page in the [[w:en:Wikipedia:Lua|Lua]] programming language. Starting this week, a new property will be added to the object, named <code dir=ltr>isDisambiguationPage</code>. This property allows you to check if a page is a disambiguation page, without the need to write a custom function. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71441] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] User script developers can use a [[toolforge:gitlab-content|new reverse proxy tool]] to load javascript and css from [[gitlab:|gitlab.wikimedia.org]] with <code dir=ltr>mw.loader.load</code>. The tool's author hopes this will enable collaborative development workflows for user scripts including linting, unit tests, code generation, and code review on <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr">gitlab.wikimedia.org</bdi> without a separate copy-and-paste step to publish scripts to a Wikimedia wiki for integration and acceptance testing. See [[wikitech:Tool:Gitlab-content|Tool:Gitlab-content on Wikitech]] for more information. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.2|MediaWiki]] '''Meetings and events''' * The 12th edition of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wiki Workshop 2025|Wiki Workshop 2025]], a forum that brings together researchers that explore all aspects of Wikimedia projects, will be held virtually on 21-22 May. Researchers can [https://pretix.eu/wikimedia/wikiworkshop2025/ register now]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/21|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W21"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:13, 19 May 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28724712 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-22 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:it:Lamiera bugnata]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:en:Tread plate]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Diamond Plate.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> Una '''lamiera bugnata''' o mandorlata è una lamiera di metallo ottenuta dalla laminazione di una bramma attraverso rulli che, tramite punzonatura o goffratura, imprimono sulla lamina rilievi a forma di rombo o ellisse, detti bugne. Nel caso questi rilievi siano alternati singolarmente nei due assi, si parla di lamiera diamantata, mentre se le forme sono predisposte in maniera parallela per formare piccoli quadranti tra di loro tangenti, questo pattern viene identificato con il nome di mandorlato. We tend to ignore the fact that this type of plate is the only reason we don't slip when we walk on steel and wet or frozen surfaces. The Italian article it's short but quite complete, and has just the right amount of citations, unlike other poor languages' versions. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 06:03, 26 May 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28751788 --> == Tech News: 2025-22 == <section begin="technews-2025-W22"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/22|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * A community-wide discussion about a very delicate issue for the development of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]] is now open on Meta: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. The discussion is open until June 12 at [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]], and every opinion is welcomed. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation. '''Updates for editors''' * Since last week, on all wikis except [[phab:T388604|the largest 20]], people using the mobile visual editor will have [[phab:T385851|additional tools in the menu bar]], accessed using the new <code>+</code> toolbar button. To start, the new menu will include options to add: citations, hieroglyphs, and code blocks. Deployment to the remaining wikis is [[phab:T388605|scheduled]] to happen in June. * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] The <code dir=ltr>[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##ifexist|#ifexist]]</code> parser function will no longer register a link to its target page. This will improve the usefulness of [[{{#special:WantedPages}}]], which will eventually only list pages that are the target of an actual red link. This change will happen gradually as the source pages are updated. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T14019] * This week, the Moderator Tools team will launch [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|a new filter to Recent Changes]], starting at Indonesian Wikipedia. This new filter highlights edits that are likely to be reverted. The goal is to help Recent Changes patrollers identify potentially problematic edits. Other wikis will benefit from this filter in the future. * Upon clicking an empty search bar, logged-out users will see suggestions of articles for further reading. The feature will be available on both desktop and mobile. Readers of Catalan, Hebrew, and Italian Wikipedias and some sister projects will receive the change between May 21 and mid-June. Readers of other wikis will receive the change later. The goal is to encourage users to read the wikis more. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Content Discovery Experiments/Search Suggestions|Learn more]]. * Some users of the Wikipedia Android app can use a new feature for readers, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/TrivaGame|WikiGames]], a daily trivia game based on real historical events. The release has started as an A/B test, available to 50% of users in the following languages: English, French, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, and Turkish. * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Newsletter|Newsletter extension]] that is available on MediaWiki.org allows the creation of [[mw:Special:Newsletters|various newsletters]] for global users. The extension can now publish new issues as section links on an existing page, instead of requiring a new page for each issue. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T393844] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:32}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:32|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The previously deprecated <code dir=ltr>[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Ipblocks table|ipblocks]]</code> views in [[wikitech:Help:Wiki Replicas|Wiki Replicas]] will be removed in the beginning of June. Users are encouraged to query the new <code dir=ltr>[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Block table|block]]</code> and <code dir=ltr>[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Block target table|block_target]]</code> views instead. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.3|MediaWiki]] '''Meetings and events''' * [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Wikidata and Sister Projects|Wikidata and Sister Projects]] is a multi-day online event that will focus on how Wikidata is integrated to Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects. The event runs from May 29 – June 1. You can [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Wikidata and Sister Projects#Sessions|read the Program schedule]] and [[d:Special:RegisterForEvent/1291|register]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/22|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W22"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 20:05, 26 May 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28788673 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-23 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:it:Angelo azzurro (cocktail)]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:es:Ángel azul (cóctel)]])&#32;([[:fr:Ange bleu (cocktail)]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Angelo Azzurro Cocktail.png|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> L''''angelo azzurro''' è un cocktail alcolico italiano. È considerato uno dei cocktail più popolari in Italia negli anni novanta, insieme al B-52 e all'Invisibile. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 05:39, 2 June 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28788623 --> == Tech News: 2025-23 == <section begin="technews-2025-W23"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/23|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Chart extension]] is now available on all Wikimedia wikis. Editors can use this new extension to create interactive data visualizations like bar, line, area, and pie charts. Charts are designed to replace many of the uses of the legacy [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Graph|Graph extension]]. '''Updates for editors''' * It is now easier to configure automatic citations for your wiki within the visual editor's [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Citoid/Enabling Citoid on your wiki|citation generator]]. Administrators can now set a default template by using the <code dir=ltr>_default</code> key in the local <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[MediaWiki:Citoid-template-type-map.json]]</bdi> page ([[mw:Special:Diff/6969653/7646386|example diff]]). Setting this default will also help to future-proof your existing configurations when [[phab:T347823|new item types]] are added in the future. You can still set templates for individual item types as they will be preferred to the default template. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T384709] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:20}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:20|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Starting the week of June 2, bots logging in using <code dir=ltr>action=login</code> or <code dir=ltr>action=clientlogin</code> will fail more often. This is because of stronger protections against suspicious logins. Bots using [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Bot passwords|bot passwords]] or using a loginless authentication method such as [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/OAuth/Owner-only consumers|OAuth]] are not affected. If your bot is not using one of those, you should update it; using <code dir=ltr>action=login</code> without a bot password was deprecated [[listarchive:list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/3EEMN7VQX5G7WMQI5K2GP5JC2336DPTD/|in 2016]]. For most bots, this only requires changing what password the bot uses. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T395205] * From this week, Wikimedia wikis will allow ES2017 features in JavaScript code for official code, gadgets, and user scripts. The most visible feature of ES2017 is <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>async</code>/<code>await</code></bdi> syntax, allowing for easier-to-read code. Until this week, the platform only allowed up to ES2016, and a few months before that, up to ES2015. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T381537] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.4|MediaWiki]] '''Meetings and events''' * Scholarship applications to participate in the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/GLAM Wiki 2025|GLAM Wiki Conference 2025]] are now open. The conference will take place from 30 October to 1 November, in Lisbon, Portugal. GLAM contributors who lack the means to support their participation can [[m:Special:MyLanguage/GLAM Wiki 2025/Scholarships|apply here]]. Scholarship applications close on June 7th. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/23|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W23"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:55, 2 June 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28819186 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-24 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:fi:Kotiryssä]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:en:Kotiryssä]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> A '''kotiryssä''' (jocular Finnish: one’s home Russky or home Russian) was a Soviet or Russian contact person of a Finnish politician, bureaucrat, businessman or other important person. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:33, 9 June 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28788623 --> == Tech News: 2025-24 == <section begin="technews-2025-W24"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/24|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product|Trust and Safety Product team]] is finalizing work needed to roll out [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]] on large Wikipedias later this month. The team has worked with stewards and other users with extended rights to predict and address many use cases that may arise on larger wikis, so that community members can continue to effectively moderate and patrol temporary accounts. This will be the second of three phases of deployment – the last one will take place in September at the earliest. For more information about the recent developments on the project, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/Updates|see this update]]. If you have any comments or questions, write on the [[mw:Talk:Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|talk page]], and [[m:Event:CEE Catch up Nr. 10 (June 2025)|join a CEE Catch Up]] this Tuesday. '''Updates for editors''' * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]] The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Watchlist expiry|watchlist expiry]] feature allows editors to watch pages for a limited period of time. After that period, the page is automatically removed from your watchlist. Starting this week, you can set a preference for the default period of time to watch pages. The [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-watchlist-pageswatchlist|preferences]] also allow you to set different default watch periods for editing existing pages, pages you create, and when using rollback. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T265716] [[File:Talk pages default look (April 2023).jpg|thumb|alt=Screenshot of the visual improvements made on talk pages|Example of a talk page with the new design, in French.]] * The appearance of talk pages will change at almost all Wikipedias ([[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/19|some]] have already received this design change, [[phab:T379264|a few]] will get these changes later). You can read details about the changes [[diffblog:2024/05/02/making-talk-pages-better-for-everyone/|on ''Diff'']]. It is possible to opt out of these changes [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing-discussion|in user preferences]] ("{{int:discussiontools-preference-visualenhancements}}"). [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T319146][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T392121] * Users with specific extended rights (including administrators, bureaucrats, checkusers, oversighters, and stewards) can now have IP addresses of all temporary accounts [[phab:T358853|revealed automatically]] during time-limited periods where they need to combat high-speed account-hopping vandalism. This feature was requested by stewards. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T386492] * This week, the Moderator Tools and Machine Learning teams will continue the rollout of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|a new filter to Recent Changes]], releasing it to several more Wikipedias. This filter utilizes the Revert Risk model, which was created by the Research team, to highlight edits that are likely to be reverted and help Recent Changes patrollers identify potentially problematic contributions. The feature will be rolled out to the following Wikipedias: {{int:project-localized-name-afwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-bewiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-bnwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-cywiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-hawwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-iswiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-kkwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-simplewiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-trwiki/en}}. The rollout will continue in the coming weeks to include [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|the rest of the Wikipedias in this project]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T391964] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:27}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:27|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * AbuseFilter editors active on Meta-Wiki and large Wikipedias are kindly asked to update AbuseFilter to make it compatible with temporary accounts. A link to the instructions and the private lists of filters needing verification are [[phab:T369611|available on Phabricator]]. * Lua modules now have access to the name of a page's associated thumbnail image, and on [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/g/operations/mediawiki-config/+/2e4ab14aa15bb95568f9c07dd777065901eb2126/wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php#10849 some wikis] to the WikiProject assessment information. This is possible using two new properties on [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Scribunto/Lua reference manual#added-by-extensions|mw.title objects]], named <code dir=ltr>pageImage</code> and <code dir=ltr>pageAssessments</code>. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131911][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T380122] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.5|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/24|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W24"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 01:17, 10 June 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28846858 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-25 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Future self]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:pl:Przyszła jaźń]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> In the psychology of self, the '''future self''' concerns the processes and consequences associated with thinking about oneself in the future. People think about their future selves similarly to how they think about other people. The extent to which people feel psychologically connected (e.g., similarity, closeness) to their future self influences how well they treat their future self. When people feel connected to their future self, they are more likely to save for retirement, make healthy decisions, and avoid ethical transgressions. Interventions that increase feelings of connectedness with future selves can improve future-oriented decision making across these domains. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:18, 16 June 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28788623 --> == Tech News: 2025-25 == <section begin="technews-2025-W25"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/25|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * You can [https://wikimediafoundation.limesurvey.net/359761?lang=en nominate your favorite tools] for the sixth edition of the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Coolest Tool Award|Coolest Tool Award]]. Nominations are anonymous and will be open until June 25. You can re-use the survey to nominate multiple tools. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:33}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:33|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.6|MediaWiki]] '''In depth''' * Foundation staff and technical volunteers use Wikimedia APIs to build the tools, applications, features, and integrations that enhance user experiences. Over the coming years, the MediaWiki Interfaces team will be investing in Wikimedia web (HTTP) APIs to better serve technical volunteer needs and protect Wikimedia infrastructure from potential abuse. You can [https://techblog.wikimedia.org/2025/06/12/apis-as-a-product-investing-in-the-current-and-next-generation-of-technical-contributors/ read more about their plans to evolve the APIs in this Techblog post]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/25|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W25"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:39, 16 June 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28870688 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-26 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Pictorial map]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:fa:نقشه تصویری]])&#32;([[:ja:絵地図]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Blake Britain Spearhead of Attack.jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Pictorial maps''' (also known as illustrated maps, panoramic maps, perspective maps, bird's-eye view maps, and geopictorial maps) depict a given territory with a more artistic rather than technical style. It is a type of map in contrast to road map, atlas, or topographic map. The cartography can be a sophisticated 3-D perspective landscape or a simple map graphic enlivened with illustrations of buildings, people and animals. They can feature all sorts of varied topics like historical events, legendary figures or local agricultural products and cover anything from an entire continent to a college campus. Drawn by specialized artists and illustrators, pictorial maps are a rich, centuries-old tradition and a diverse art form that ranges from cartoon maps on restaurant placemats to treasured art prints in museums. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:18, 23 June 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28788623 --> == Tech News: 2025-26 == <section begin="technews-2025-W26"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/26|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * This week, the Moderator Tools and Machine Learning teams will continue the rollout of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|a new filter to Recent Changes]], releasing it to the third and last batch of Wikipedias. This filter utilizes the Revert Risk model, which was created by the Research team, to highlight edits that are likely to be reverted and help Recent Changes patrollers identify potentially problematic contributions. The feature will be rolled out to the following Wikipedias: {{int:project-localized-name-azwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-lawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-mkwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-mlwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-mrwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-nnwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-pawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-swwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-tewiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-tlwiki/en}}. The rollout will continue in the coming weeks to include [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|the rest of the Wikipedias in this project]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T391964] '''Updates for editors''' * Last week, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]] were rolled out on Czech, Korean, and Turkish Wikipedias. This and next week, deployments on larger Wikipedias will follow. [[mw:Talk:Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|Share your thoughts]] about the project. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T340001] * Later this week, the Editing team will release [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Edit check#Multi check|Multi Check]] to all Wikipedias (except English Wikipedia). This feature shows multiple [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Edit check#Reference check|Reference checks]] within the editing experience. This encourages users to add citations when they add multiple new paragraphs to a Wikipedia article. This feature was previously available as an A/B test. [https://analytics.wikimedia.org/published/reports/editing/multi_check_ab_test_report_final.html#summary-of-results The test shows] that users who are shown multiple checks are 1.3 times more likely to add a reference to their edit, and their edit is less likely to be reverted (-34.7%). [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T395519] * A few pages need to be renamed due to software updates and to match more recent Unicode standards. All of these changes are related to title-casing changes. Approximately 71 pages and 3 files will be renamed, across 15 wikis; the complete list is in [[phab:T396903|the task]]. The developers will rename these pages next week, and they will fix redirects and embedded file links a few minutes later via a system settings update. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:24}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:24|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, a bug was fixed that had caused pages to scroll upwards when text near the top was selected. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T364023] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Editors can now use Lua modules to filter and transform tabular data for use with [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Extension:Chart]]. This can be used for things like selecting a subset of rows or columns from the source data, converting between units, statistical processing, and many other useful transformations. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Transforms|Information on how to use transforms is available]]. [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project/Updates] * The <code dir=ltr>all_links</code> variable in [[Special:AbuseFilter|AbuseFilter]] is now renamed to <code dir=ltr>new_links</code> for consistency with other variables. Old usages will still continue to work. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T391811] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.7|MediaWiki]] '''In depth''' * The latest quarterly [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Newsletters/34|Growth newsletter]] is available. It includes: the recent updates for the "Add a Link" Task, two new Newcomer Engagement Features, and updates to Community Configuration. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/26|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W26"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:21, 23 June 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28870688 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-27 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Queen Elizabeth University Hospital]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:QEUH.jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Queen Elizabeth University Hospital''' (QEUH) is a 1,677-bed acute hospital located in Govan, in the south-west of Glasgow, Scotland. The hospital is built on the site of the former Southern General Hospital and opened at the end of April 2015. The hospital comprises a 1,109-bed adult hospital, a 256-bed children's hospital and two major Emergency Departments; one for adults and one for children. There is also an Immediate Assessment Unit for local GPs and out-of-hours services, to send patients directly, without having to be processed through the Emergency Department. The retained buildings from the former Southern General Hospital include the Maternity Unit, the Institute of Neurological Sciences, the Langlands Unit for medicine of the elderly and the laboratory. The whole facility is operated by NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde, and is one of the largest acute hospital campuses in Europe. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:05, 30 June 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28788623 --> == Tech News: 2025-27 == <section begin="technews-2025-W27"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/27|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents extension]] has been enabled on all Wikipedias. The extension makes it easier to organize and participate in collaborative activities, like edit-a-thons and WikiProjects, on the wikis. The extension has three features: [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event Center/Registration|Event Registration]], [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents/Collaboration list|Collaboration List]], and [[m:Campaigns/Foundation Product Team/Invitation list|Invitation List]]. To request the extension for your wiki, visit the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents/Deployment status#How to Request the CampaignEvents Extension for your wiki|Deployment information page]]. '''Updates for editors''' * AbuseFilter maintainers can now [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:IPReputation/AbuseFilter variables|match against IP reputation data]] in [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:AbuseFilter|AbuseFilters]]. IP reputation data is information about the proxies and VPNs associated with the user's IP address. This data is not shown publicly and is not generated for actions performed by registered accounts. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T354599] * Hidden content that is within [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Collapsible elements|collapsible parts of wikipages]] will now be revealed when someone searches the page using the web browser's "Find in page" function (Ctrl+F or ⌘F) in supporting browsers. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T327893][https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Reference/Global_attributes/hidden#browser_compatibility] * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]] A new feature, called [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:TemplateData/Template discovery|Favourite Templates]], will be deployed later this week on all projects (except English Wikipedia, which will receive the feature next week), following a piloting phase on Polish and Arabic Wikipedia, and Italian and English Wikisource. The feature will provide a better way for new and experienced contributors to recall and discover templates via the template dialog, by allowing users to put templates on a special "favourite list". The feature works with both the visual editor and the wikitext editor. The feature is a [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist/Focus areas/Template recall and discovery|community wishlist focus area]]. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:31}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:31|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, a bug was fixed that had caused some Notifications to be sent multiple times. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T397103] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.8|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/27|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W27"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:41, 30 June 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28917415 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-28 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Non-constituency Member of Parliament]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> A '''Non-constituency Member of Parliament''' (NCMP) is a member of an opposition political party in Singapore who, as stipulated in Article 39 of the Constitution and the Parliamentary Elections Act, is declared to have been elected a Member of Parliament (MP) without constituency representation, despite having lost in a general election, by virtue of having been one of the opposition candidates with the highest vote shares among the unelected. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:10, 7 July 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28788623 --> == Tech News: 2025-28 == <section begin="technews-2025-W28"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/28|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Temporary accounts|Temporary accounts]] have been rolled out on 18 large and medium-sized Wikipedias, including German, Japanese, French, and Chinese. Now, about 1/3 of all logged-out activity across wikis is coming from temporary accounts. Users involved in patrolling may be interested in two new documentation pages: [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/Access to IP|Access to IP]], explaining everything related to access to temporary account IP addresses, and [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/Repository|Repository]] with a list of new gadgets and user scripts. '''Updates for editors''' * Anyone can play an experimental new game, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/New Engagement Experiments/WikiRun|WikiRun]], that lets you race through Wikipedia by clicking from one article to another, aiming to reach a target page in as few steps and in as little time as possible. The project's goal is to explore new ways of engaging readers. [https://wikirun-game.toolforge.org/ Try playing the game] and let the team know what you think [[mw:Talk:New Engagement Experiments/WikiRun|on the talk page]]. * Users of the Wikipedia Android app in some languages can now play the new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/TrivaGame|trivia game]]. ''Which came first?'' is a simple history game where you guess which of two events happened earlier on today's date. It was previously available as an A/B test. It is now available to all users in English, German, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Russian, Arabic, Turkish, and Chinese. The goal of the feature is to help engage with new generations of readers. [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/22] * Users of the iOS Wikipedia App in some languages may see a new tabbed browsing feature that enables you to open multiple tabs while reading. This feature makes it easier to explore related topics and switch between articles. The A/B test is currently running in Arabic, English, and Japanese in selected regions. More details are available on the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/iOS/Tabbed Browsing (Tabs)|Tabbed Browsing project page]]. * Bureaucrats on Wikimedia wikis can now use [[{{#special:VerifyOATHForUser}}]] to check if users have enabled [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Two-factor authentication|two-factor authentication]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T265726] * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]] A new feature related to [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist/Focus areas/Template recall and discovery|Template Recall and Discovery]] will be deployed later this week to all Wikimedia projects: a [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:TemplateData/Template discovery#Template categories|template category browser]] will be introduced to assist users in finding templates to put in their “favourite” list. The browser will allow users to browse a list of templates which have been organised into a given category tree. The feature has been requested by the community [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist/Wishes/Select templates by categories|through the Community Wishlist]]. * It is now possible to access watchlist preferences from the watchlist page. Also the redundant button to edit the watchlist has been removed. [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Moderator_Tools/Watchlist] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:27}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:27|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * As part of [[mw:MediaWiki_1.44|MediaWiki 1.44]] there is now a unified built-in Notifications system that makes it easier for developers to send, manage, and customize notifications. Check out the updated documentation at [[mw:Manual:Notifications|Manual:Notifications]], information about migration in [[phab:T388663|T388663]] and details on deprecated hooks in [[phab:T389624|T389624]]. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.9|MediaWiki]] '''Meetings and events''' * [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Event:WikidataCon 2025|WikidataCon 2025]], the conference dedicated to Wikidata is now open for [https://pretalx.com/wikidatacon-2025/cfp session proposals] and for [[d:Special:RegisterForEvent/1340|registration]]. This year's event will be held online from October 31 – November 02 and will explore on the theme of "Connecting People through Linked Open Data". '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/28|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W28"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:06, 8 July 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28930584 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-29 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Immunolabeling]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Immunolabeling process image.png|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Immunolabeling''' is a biochemical process that enables the detection and localization of an antigen to a particular site within a cell, tissue, or organ. Antigens are organic molecules, usually proteins, capable of binding to an antibody. These antigens can be visualized using a combination of antigen-specific antibody as well as a means of detection, called a tag, that is covalently linked to the antibody <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> ---[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 13:44, 14 July 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28945528 --> == Tech News: 2025-29 == <section begin="technews-2025-W29"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/29|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:TemplateData/Template discovery#Featured templates|Featured templates]], a new feature related to [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist/Focus areas/Template recall and discovery|Template Recall and Discovery]] will be deployed this week to all Wikimedia projects: With this feature, editors will be able to quickly access a list of templates that are likely to be useful. These templates will be displayed in a list, under the "featured" tab of the template discovery interface. Administrators can define the list via the Community Configuration interface. The feature fulfills a request by the community [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist/Wishes/Easy access Templates|through the Community Wishlist]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T367428][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T392896] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:31}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:31|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the request to add Malayalam fonts in the [[oldWikisource:Special:MyLanguage/Wikisource:WS Export|Wikisource Book Export Tool]] was resolved and now, the rendering of Malayalam letters in exported Wikisource books are accurate. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T374457] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.10|MediaWiki]] '''In depth''' * Developers, designers, and all Wikimedians are invited to [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/board/7953/ submit a project idea] for the Wikimania Hackathon 2025. Read [https://diff.wikimedia.org/2025/06/30/call-for-projects-wikimania-hackathon-2025-is-coming-to-nairobi/ this Diff blog post] for more details. '''Meetings and events''' * [[m:WikiIndaba conference 2025|WikiIndaba 2025]] scholarship application and program submission is open until 23:59 GMT on July 20. WikiIndaba is a regional conference for African Wikimedians both on the continent and in the diaspora to unite and grow together. Submit [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdJTv68R1OPASXXDfpIl8EWiMLTM-TDwh6_5gNVvFuWccFZ2Q/viewform your scholarship application] and [https://ee.kobotoolbox.org/x/BI3omIfH program proposal] now! * [https://br.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiCon_Brasil_2025 WikiCon Brasil 2025] will take place on July 19-20 in Salvador, Bahia, Brazil. The Brazilian community members are encouraged to register and attend! '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/29|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W29"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 20:10, 14 July 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28980963 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-30 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Vespa analis]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Plumpy hornet on the ground - 1.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''''Vespa analis''''', the yellow-vented hornet, is a species of common hornet found in Southeast Asia <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:28, 21 July 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28984647 --> == Tech News: 2025-30 == <section begin="technews-2025-W30"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/30|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * The Translation Suggestions feature in the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Content translation|Content Translation tool]] now has another level of article filters added to the "[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ContentTranslation&filter-type=automatic&filter-id=previous-edits&active-list=suggestions&from=en&to=fi#/ ... More]" category. Translators who use the Suggestions feature can now select and receive article suggestions that are customized to geographical locations of their interest using the new "{{int:Cx-sx-suggestions-filters-tab-regions}}" filter. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113257] * Administrators can now limit "Add a Link" to newcomers. The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Add a link|"Add a Link"]] Structured Task [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Constructive activation experimentation#Enwiki A/B test & "Add a Link" Improvements (Wiki Experiences 1.2.11 & 1.2.16)|helps new account holders start editing]], but some communities have requested the ability to restrict it to its intended audience: newcomers. Administrators can configure this setting within the [[Special:CommunityConfiguration/GrowthSuggestedEdits|Community Configuration]] feature. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:29}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:29|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * For AbuseFilter editors on [[phab:T392144|some wikis]], it is now possible to filter edits based on the RevertRisk score of the edit being attempted. It is only populated if the action being evaluated is an edit. For more information, please see the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:ORES/AbuseFilter variables#What variables are available for use|ORES/AbuseFilter variables]] documentation. * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Beta Cluster|Beta Cluster]] wikis have [[listarchive:list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/YDABPV75LADRQCXMJAFWUP256N4EQ25B/|been moved]] from <code dir=ltr>beta.wmflabs.org</code> to <code dir=ltr>beta.wmcloud.org</code>. Users may need to update URLs in any tools, or in their password managers. Any related issues can be [[phab:T289318|reported in the task]]. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.11|MediaWiki]] '''Meetings and events''' * [[m:Special:MyLanguage/WikiCite 2025|WikiCite 2025]] will take place from 29–31 August, both online and in-person in Bern, Switzerland. The event's goals are to reconnect communities, institutions, and individuals working with open citations, bibliographic data, and the Wikidata/Wikibase ecosystem. Registration is open and the call for proposals will be announced soon. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org/message/KQZUG3ETKLBWPBYSB2YAWZIRPWHS24TG/] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/30|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W30"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:43, 21 July 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29005283 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-31 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Fernando de Noronha Marine National Park]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:pt:Parque Nacional Marinho de Fernando de Noronha]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Baía dos Porcos - Fernando de Noronha (32811749914).jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Fernando de Noronha Marine National Park''' (Portuguese: Parque Nacional Marinho de Fernando de Noronha) is a national park in the state of Pernambuco, Brazil. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:40, 28 July 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29047614 --> == Tech News: 2025-31 == <section begin="technews-2025-W31"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/31|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The Community Tech team will be focusing on wishes related to Watchlists and Recent Changes pages, over the next few months. They are looking for feedback. Please [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist/Updates#July 24, 2025: Watchlists and Recent Changes pages|read the latest update]], and if you have ideas, please [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist|submit a wish]] on the topic. '''Updates for editors''' * The Wikimedia Commons community has decided to block [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Upload dialog|cross-wiki uploads]] to Wikimedia Commons, for all users without autoconfirmed rights on that wiki, starting on August 16. This is because of [[:c:Commons:Cross-wiki media upload tool/History|widespread problems]] related to files that are uploaded by newcomers. Users who are affected by this will get an error message with a link to the less restrictive UploadWizard on Commons. Please help translating the [[:c:Special:MyLanguage/MediaWiki:Abusefilter-disallowed-cross-wiki-upload|message]] or give feedback on the message text. Please also update your local help pages to explain this restriction. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T370598] * On wikis with temporary accounts enabled and Meta-Wiki, administrators may now set up a footer for the Special:Contributions pages of temporary accounts, similar to those which can be shown on IP and user-account pages. They may do it by creating the page named <code dir=ltr>MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer-temp</code>. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T398347] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:21}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:21|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.12|MediaWiki]] '''Meetings and events''' * [[wmania:Special:MyLanguage/2025:Wikimania|Wikimania 2025]] will run from August 6–9. The [https://wikimedia.eventyay.com/talk/wikimania2025/schedule/ program is available] for you to plan which sessions you want to attend. Most sessions will be live-streamed, with exceptions for those that show the "no camera" icon. If you are joining online to watch live-streams and use the interactive features, please [[wmania:Special:MyLanguage/2025:Registration|register]] for a free virtual ticket. For example, you may be interested in technical sessions such as: ** [https://wikimedia.eventyay.com/talk/wikimania2025/talk/KFEFVG/ Temporary Accounts: Enhancing privacy for our unregistered editors] ** [https://wikimedia.eventyay.com/talk/wikimania2025/talk/TVCVAB/ Building a Sustainable Future for Wikimedia Contributors] ** [https://wikimedia.eventyay.com/talk/wikimania2025/talk/WTRQCJ/ A dozen visions for wikitext!] ** [https://wikimedia.eventyay.com/talk/wikimania2025/talk/8YKKP9/ Coordinate Across Stakeholders with the Product and Technology Advisory Council] * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/MediaWiki Users and Developers Conference Fall 2025|MediaWiki Users and Developers Conference, Fall 2025]] will be held 28–30 October 2025 in Hanover, Germany. This event is organized by and for the third-party MediaWiki community. You can propose sessions and register to attend. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/31|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W31"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:27, 29 July 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29051727 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-32 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Xie Zhiliu]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Xie Zhiliu''' (Chinese: 谢稚柳; 1910–1997) was a leading traditional painter, calligrapher, and art connoisseur of modern China. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:21, 4 August 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29077280 --> == Tech News: 2025-32 == <section begin="technews-2025-W32"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/32|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * Editors can now enable the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity/Anti-abuse signals/User Info|User Info card]]. This feature adds an icon next to usernames on history pages and similar user-contribution log pages. When you tap or click on the icon, it displays data related to that user account such as the number of edits, reverted edits, blocks, and more. It's part of a broader project to make it easier for moderators to evaluate account trustworthiness. The feature can be enabled in [[testwiki:Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering|your global preferences]], and later this week it will be available in local preferences. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T386439] * Everybody is invited to share comments on [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents/Collaborative contributions|Collaborative Contributions]], a project recently launched by the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Connection Team|Connection team]]. The project aims to create a new way to display the impact of collaborative editing activities (such as edit-a-thons, backlog drives, and WikiProjects) on the wikis. Post your comments on the [[m:Talk:CampaignEvents/Collaborative contributions|project talk page]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T378035] * Administrators can now define the default block duration for temporary accounts. To do that, they need to create a page named <code dir=ltr>MediaWiki:Ipb-default-expiry-temporary-account</code> and use a value defined in <code dir=ltr>MediaWiki:Ipboptions</code>. This allows administrators to easily block temporary accounts for 90 days, which is functionally equivalent to an indefinite block. The advantage of this solution is that it does not clutter Special:BlockList. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Block and unblock#Default block duration options|More documentation]] is available. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T398626] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:27}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:27|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Gadgets can now include <code dir=ltr>.vue</code> files. This makes it easier to develop modern user interfaces using [[mw:Vue.js|Vue.js]], in particular using [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Codex|Codex]], the official design system of Wikimedia. [[wmdoc:codex/latest/icons/overview.html|Codex icons]] can be loaded through the gadget definition. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Gadgets#Pages|The documentation]] has examples. For user scripts that use Vue.js, an [[mw:API:CodexIcons|API module]] now exists to load Codex icons. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T340460][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T311099] * Module developers can now use a [[mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Message Bundles/Lua reference|Lua interface]] to simplify the preparation of Lua modules for translation on Meta-Wiki. This improvement makes it easier for translators to find and edit module strings without dealing with raw Lua code. It helps prevent mistakes that could break the module during translation. Module developers and translators are invited to [[commons:File:Translatable modules video demo July 2025.webm|watch the demo video]], read more about [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Translatable modules|translatable modules]] to understand how it works, refer to Meta-Wiki's [[m:Module:User Wikimedia project|Module:User Wikimedia project]] for example usage, and [[mw:Talk:Translatable modules|share their feedback]] on how well it addresses the challenges in their workflow. The interface still has some performance issues, so it should not be used in widely used modules yet. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T359918] * Developers of external tools that connect to Wikimedia pages must set a user-agent that complies with [[foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Wikimedia Foundation User-Agent Policy|the user-agent policy]]. This policy will start to be more strongly enforced in August because of external crawlers that are [[diffblog:2025/04/01/how-crawlers-impact-the-operations-of-the-wikimedia-projects/|overusing]] Wikimedia's resources. Tools that are hosted on Wikimedia's Toolforge or Cloud VPS will not be affected by this for now, but should still set a user-agent. [[phab:T400119|More technical details are available]], and related questions are welcome in that task. * Parsoid Read Views is going to be rolling out to some smaller Wikipedias over the next few weeks, following the successful transition of Wikivoyages and Wiktionaries to Parsoid Read Views. For more information, see the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Parsoid/Parser Unification|Parsoid/Parser Unification]] project page. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/7694/] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.13|MediaWiki]] '''Meetings and events''' * [[wmania:Special:MyLanguage/2025:Wikimania|Wikimania 2025]] will run from August 6–9. The [https://wikimedia.eventyay.com/talk/wikimania2025/schedule/ program is available] for you to plan which sessions you want to attend. Most sessions will be live-streamed, with exceptions for those that show the "no camera" icon. If you are joining online to watch live-streams and use the interactive features, please [[wmania:Special:MyLanguage/2025:Registration|register]] for a free virtual ticket. For example, you may be interested in technical sessions such as: ** [https://wikimedia.eventyay.com/talk/wikimania2025/talk/GEH9DH/ Wikimedia’s knowledge infrastructure in a changing internet: Establishing sustainable pathways for content reuse] ** [https://wikimedia.eventyay.com/talk/wikimania2025/talk/7ELN9Q/ Wikifunctions is coming soon to a wiki near you!] ** [https://wikimedia.eventyay.com/talk/wikimania2025/talk/ZMGVJV/ Shaping the Future of Wikipedia’s Reader Experience] ** [https://wikimedia.eventyay.com/talk/wikimania2025/talk/KCKTFZ/ Making Wikipedia More Readable: What Comes Next] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/32|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W32"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 03:41, 5 August 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29083927 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-33 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Lethocerus patruelis]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Lethocerus patruelis.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''''Lethocerus patruelis''''' is a giant water bug in the family Belostomatidae. It is native to southeastern Europe, through Southwest Asia, to Pakistan, India and Burma. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:20, 11 August 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29085671 --> == Tech News: 2025-33 == <section begin="technews-2025-W33"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/33|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * The WikiEditor toolbar now includes [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:WikiEditor#Keyboard shortcuts|its keyboard shortcuts]] in the tooltips for its buttons. This will help to improve the discoverability of this feature. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T400583] * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Product and Technology Advisory Council|Product and Technology Advisory Council]] published a set of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Product and Technology Advisory Council/August 2025 draft PTAC proposals for feedback|proposed experiments]] the Wikimedia Foundation can try to improve communication with community. Feedback on the proposals are welcomed until August 22 on [[m:Talk:Product and Technology Advisory Council/August 2025 draft PTAC proposals for feedback|this talk page]]. * The search bar on the Minerva skin (mobile) has been updated to use the same type-ahead search component that is used on the Vector 2022 skin. There are no changes in search functionality but there are minor visual changes. Specifically, the close-search button has been changed from an "X" to a back arrow. This helps to distinguish it from the other "X" button that is used to clear any text. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T393944] * Editors on some wikis will see a new toggle for "Group results by page" on watchlist, related changes, and recent changes pages. This is [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Moderator Tools/Watchlist/Experiment|an A/B experiment]] that is planned to start on August 11, and will run for 3–6 weeks on the Bengali, Chinese, Czech, French, Greek, Portuguese, and Urdu Wikipedias. The experiment will examine how making this feature more discoverable might affect editors' ability to find the edits they are looking for. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T396789] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:31}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:31|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The multiwiki datasets of [[:wikt:en:Module:Unicode data|Unicode data]] have been moved to [[c:Category:Unicode Module Datasets|Category:Unicode Module Datasets]] on Wikimedia Commons, to follow the idea of "One common data source, multiple local wikis". Most wikis have been updated to use the Commons version. You can ask questions at [[c:Category talk:Unicode Module Datasets|the talkpage]]. [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Module_talk:Unicode_data#Data_from_commons] * Lua code can add warnings when something is wrong, by using the <code dir=ltr>mw.addWarning()</code> function. It is now possible to add more than one warning, instead of new warnings replacing old ones. If you maintain a Lua module that used warnings, you should check it still works as expected. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T398390] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.14|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/33|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W33"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:30, 11 August 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29106516 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-34 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Ikiza]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:CIA map of Burundi and surrounding countries during 1972 killings.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Ikiza''' (variously translated from Kirundi as the Catastrophe, the Great Calamity, and the Scourge), or the Ubwicanyi (Killings), was a series of mass killings—often characterised as a genocide—which were committed in Burundi in 1972 by the Tutsi-dominated army and government, primarily against educated and elite Hutus who lived in the country. Conservative estimates place the death toll of the event between 100,000 and 150,000 killed, while some estimates of the death toll go as high as 300,000. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:43, 18 August 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29115447 --> == Tech News: 2025-34 == <section begin="technews-2025-W34"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/34|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * Later this week, people who are logged-in and have the "[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Talk pages project/Feature summary|Discussion tools]]" [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures|Beta Feature]] enabled will gain the ability to "Thank" individual comments directly from talk pages, rather than needing to navigate to page history. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Talk pages project/Feature summary#Comment actions|Learn more about this feature]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T400849] * An A/B test comparing two versions of the desktop donate link launched on testwiki on 12 August and on English Wikipedia 14 August for 0.1% of logged out users on the desktop site. The experiment will run for three weeks, ending on 12 September. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T395716] * An A/A test to measure the baseline for reader retention was launched 12 August using [[wikitech:Experimentation Lab|Experimentation Lab]]. This measures the percentage of users who revisit a wiki after their initial visit over a 14-day period. No visual changes are expected. The experiment will run through 31 August. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T399227] * Five new wikis have been created: ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikisource/en}} in [[d:Q34057|Tagalog]] ([[s:tl:|<code>s:tl:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T388639] ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikisource/en}} in [[d:Q36213|Madurese]] ([[s:mad:|<code>s:mad:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T391747] ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia/en}} in [[d:Q3450749|Rakhine]] ([[w:rki:|<code>w:rki:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T392490] ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikibooks/en}} in [[d:Q13324|Minangkabau]] ([[b:min:|<code>b:min:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T395452] ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wiktionary/en}} in [[d:Q7598268|Standard Moroccan Amazigh]] ([[wikt:zgh:|<code>wikt:zgh:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T399684] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:46}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:46|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.15|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/34|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W34"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:39, 19 August 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29127690 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-35 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Corallite]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Recent azooxanthellate Scleractinia (Cnidaria, Anthozoa) - ZooKeys-227-001-g004.jpeg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> A '''corallite''' is the skeletal cup, formed by an individual stony coral polyp, in which the polyp sits and into which it can retract. The cup is composed of aragonite, a crystalline form of calcium carbonate, and is secreted by the polyp. Corallites vary in size, but in most colonial corals they are less than 3 mm (0.12 in) in diameter. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:18, 25 August 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29115447 --> == Tech News: 2025-35 == <section begin="technews-2025-W35"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/35|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]] [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] Template authors can now use additional CSS properties, since the CSS sanitizer used by [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:TemplateStyles|TemplateStyles]] was updated. For example: <code>width: fit-content</code>; <code>ruby-align</code>; relative units such as <code>lh</code>; and custom strings in <code>list-style-type</code>. These improvements are a [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist/Wishes/Allow use of modern CSS in templates by updating the TemplateStyles CSS sanitizer|Community Wishlist wish]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T271958][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T277755][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T293633][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T295088][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T326906][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T340057][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T360725][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T371809][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T375344][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T394619] * On large wikis, the default time period to display edits from, within the Special:RecentChanges page, has been changed from 7 days to 1 day. This is part of a performance improvement project. This should have no user-facing impact due to the quantity of edits on these wikis. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T399455] * Administrators can now access the [[{{#special:BlockedExternalDomains}}]] page from the [[{{#special:CommunityConfiguration}}]] list page. This makes it easier to find. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T393240] * Wikimedia Commons videos were not shown in the Videos tab in Google Search. The problem was investigated and reported to Google who have now fixed the issue. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T396168][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist/Wishes/Do_something_about_Google_%26_DuckDuckGo_search_not_indexing_media_files_and_categories_on_Commons] * One new wiki has been created: a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wiktionary/en}} in [[d:Q33014|Betawi]] ([[wikt:bew:|<code>wikt:bew:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T402130] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:39}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:39|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Two fields of the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Recentchanges table|recentchanges database table]] are being removed. <code>rc_new</code> and <code>rc_type</code> are being removed in favor of <code>rc_source</code>. Queries to these older fields will start to fail starting this week and developers should use <code>rc_source</code> instead. These older fields were deprecated over 10 years ago and should not be in use. This is part of work to improve the performance and stability of queries to the recentchanges table. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T400696] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.16|MediaWiki]] '''In depth''' * The latest quarterly [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Language and Product Localization/Newsletter/2025/July|Language and Internationalization Newsletter]] is now available. This edition includes: support for new languages in MediaWiki and translatewiki; the start of the Language Onboarding and Development project to help support the growth of new and small wikis; updates on research projects; and more. '''Meetings and events''' * The next [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Language and Product Localization/Community meetings#29 August 2025|Language Community Meeting]] is happening soon, August 29th at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1756479600 15:00 UTC]. This week's meeting will cover: the Avro keyboard developers from Wikimedia Bangladesh, who were recently awarded a national award for their contributions to this keyboard; and other topics. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/35|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W35"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:13, 26 August 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29175124 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-36 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Diksam Plateau]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Dixam plateau (6407168437).jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Diksam Plateau''' or Dixam Plateau (Arabic: دكسم) is a limestone plateau in Socotra, Yemen. The Firmihin forest, located east of the Dirhur canyon within the plateau, has the highest concentration of Dragon's Blood Trees on the entire island. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:40, 1 September 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29195081 --> == Tech News: 2025-36 == <section begin="technews-2025-W36"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/36|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The Editing team wants to compile a list of templates, jargon terms, and policies used in edit summaries when a copyright violation is removed. This will help them identify the number of edits reverted due to copyright issues. We invite community members from the following Wikis to list these terms in [[Phab:T402601|T402601]], or to share their list with [[User:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek_(WMF)]]: {{int:project-localized-name-arwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-cswiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-dewiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-enwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-eswiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-fawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-frwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-hewiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-idwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-itwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-jawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-kowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-nlwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-plwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-ptwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-trwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-ukwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-viwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-zhwiki/en}}. This project is open until September 9th 2025. '''Updates for editors''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents extension]] has been enabled for all Wikisources. The extension makes it easier to organize and participate in collaborative activities, like edit-a-thons and WikiProjects, on the wikis. The extension has three features: [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event Center/Registration|Event Registration]], [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents/Collaboration list|Collaboration List]], and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Connection Team/Invitation list|Invitation List]]. To request the extension for your wiki, visit the Deployment information page. [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CampaignEvents/Deployment_status#How_to_Request_the_CampaignEvents_Extension_for_your_wiki] * The lists in the footer of the editing interface, such as "Templates used on this page," will now be organized into columns when there is enough space. This enhancement minimizes scrolling when editing lengthy articles on Wikipedia. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T401066] * On September 3rd, 2025 we will increase the sampling percentages of our [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Moderator Tools/Watchlist/Experiment#Scope of the experiment|group by toggle experiment]] of the <code>Special:RecentChanges</code>, <code>Special:Watchlist</code>, and <code>Special:RelatedChanges</code> pages on the Chinese, French, and Portuguese Wikipedias to 100 percent, allowing more editors to be part of this experiment. This adjustment is intended to ensure we have sufficient data to make informed decisions when evaluating the experiment results. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T402958][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T396789] * Upon clicking an empty search bar, logged-out users will see suggestions of articles for further reading on English Wikipedia beginning the week of September 22. The feature will be available on both desktop and mobile. All non-English wikis received this change in June and July. The goal is to make it easier for users to find articles. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Content Discovery Experiments/Search Suggestions|Learn more]]. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:37}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:37|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.17|MediaWiki]] '''In depth''' * Wikifunctions now has a new capability called "lightweight enumeration types", an enumeration type is simply a fixed set of values that's in the type's definition. This capability makes it quick and easy to define such a type, and allows for the reuse of values that are already present in Wikidata. Here is [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2025-07-19|a newsletter]] to learn more. * The latest [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Newsletter updates#August 2025: Newsletter #1|Readers Newsletter]] is now available. This edition includes: the formation of two new teams — Reader Growth and Reader Experience; insights into declining pageviews and account creations; highlights from the Wikimania Nairobi panel on improving the reading experience; upcoming experiments to engage new and existing readers; and more. '''Meetings and events''' * Spotlight on some Wikimania 2025 Sessions: ** Identifying AI-generated text by searching for ISBNs whose checksums fail: Mathias Schindler of WMDE [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw9o8Lsl974&t=15910s shared tools to help communities search for these]. ** [https://wikimedia.eventyay.com/talk/wikimania2025/talk/TCHZKH/ La durabilité du mouvement Wikimedia face aux défis actuels et futurs]: This session explored how Wikimedia can stay a trusted source of knowledge in the age of generative AI, information overload, and disinformation. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/36|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W36"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 20:51, 1 September 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29196010 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-37 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:it:Ttongsul]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:ja:トンスル]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Ttongsul (imitation).jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> Il '''ttongsul''' (똥술), o vino di feci, è una tradizionale preparazione medicinale coreana con gradazione alcolica al 9% a base di feci, solitamente umane e preferibilmente di bambino. Nato probabilmente traendo spunto dalla medicina tradizionale cinese, nelle credenze popolari il vino di feci avrebbe proprietà benefiche per molti tipi di malesseri: sarebbe un rimedio per dolori muscolari, ustioni, infiammazioni, epilessia e fratture ossee. Sebbene alcuni media occidentali abbiano in passato riportato che questa bevanda sia diffusa tra la popolazione coreana, al giorno d'oggi un numero molto limitato di persone ne fa uso, dopo aver subito un declino di popolarità nei secoli scorsi, tanto che la maggioranza dei giovani coreani non ne ha mai sentito parlare. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:28, 8 September 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29195081 --> == Tech News: 2025-37 == <section begin="technews-2025-W37"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/37|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The Editing team is working on a new check: [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Paste check|Paste check]]. This check informs newcomers who paste text into Wikipedia that the content might not be accepted. This check is an effort to increase the likelihood that the new content people are adding to Wikipedia is aligned with the Movement's commitment to offering information under a free content license. This check will soon be tested at a few wikis. If your community is interested in this test, please [[phab:T403680|tell us in this task]], or [[mw:Talk:Edit check|contact the team]]. '''Updates for editors''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] Later this week, users of the "{{int:codemirror-beta-feature-title}}" [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures|beta feature]] will be able to use a [[w:en:Lint (software)|linting tool]] to see errors or other potential problems in wikitext in real time. See the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror#Linting|help page for more information]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T381577] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] When browsing a wiki (like <code dir=ltr>en.wikipedia.org</code>), the software responds in one of two ways: a desktop page, or a redirect to a mobile version on an "m" domain (like <code dir=ltr>en.m.wikipedia.org</code>). Over the next three weeks, MediaWiki will start displaying the mobile version to mobile devices directly on the standard domain, without this redirect. This change does not affect existing m-dot URLs, or the "Desktop view" opt-out. [[mw:Requests for comment/Mobile domain sunsetting/2025 Announcement|Learn more]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T214998] * When an edit changes the categories of a page, the changes to the category membership counts are now happening asynchronously. This improves the speed of saving edits, especially when moving many pages to or from the same category, and reduces the risk of site outages, but it means that the counts can show outdated information for a few minutes. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T365303] * Edits on Wikidata to qualifiers (properties and values) and references (properties and values) in a Wikidata item statement will now not add entries to the RecentChanges or Watchlist pages on all other Wikis. This is a temporary change to improve performance while other solutions are created. Wikidata's own pages remain unchanged. [[m:Wikidata For Wikimedia Projects/Reduce change propagation noise#Phase 1: Turn off (temporarily) Qualifiers and References Wikidata edits to the Recent Changes tables|Learn more]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T401286][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T400698] * Japanese-language wikis have had a major upgrade to the way that search works. The new search should generally give more accurate and more relevant search results. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T318269] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:31}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:31|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.18|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/37|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W37"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 01:15, 9 September 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29238161 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-38 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Pak Kum-chol]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Pak Kum-chol in 1961 (cropped).jpg|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Pak Kum-chol''' was a North Korean politician. Having been a guerrilla during the anti-Japanese struggle, he became a high-ranking politician after the liberation of Korea. Pak aligned himself with his former guerrilla brothers in arms from the Kapsan Operation Committee to form a faction within the ruling Workers' Party of Korea (WPK) called the "Kapsan faction". This faction sought to replace Kim Il Sung with Pak. Kim retaliated by purging the faction in 1967 in what is known as the Kapsan faction incident. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:18, 15 September 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29249252 --> == Tech News: 2025-38 == <section begin="technews-2025-W38"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/38|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * References lists that are made using the <code dir=ltr><nowiki><references/></nowiki></code> [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Cite#references-tag|tag]] will now automatically display with columns in Vector 2022 when readers are using its 'standard' settings for text-size and page-width. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334941] * Starting in the week of October 6, on [[gitiles:operations/mediawiki-config/+/a2d2aaab9ace84280dd2f4c70a33bb69cd73850f/dblists/small.dblist|small wikis]] and [[gitiles:operations/mediawiki-config/+/a2d2aaab9ace84280dd2f4c70a33bb69cd73850f/dblists/medium.dblist|medium wikis]] that have the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents extension]] enabled, all autoconfirmed users will be able to use [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event Center/Registration|Event Registration]] as an organizer. No changes will be made for [[gitiles:operations/mediawiki-config/+/a2d2aaab9ace84280dd2f4c70a33bb69cd73850f/dblists/large.dblist|large wikis]] unless requested in Phabricator. This change is being made to make it easier for more people to use Event Registration, especially on wikis that are less likely to have policies related to the Event Organizer right. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents/Proposal to grant autoconfirmed users on small and medium wikis the organizer access to the event registration tool|Learn more]]. * Users that search using regular expressions (regex) can now use additional features including: ** for the <code dir=ltr>intitle:</code> keyword: [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:CirrusSearch#Metacharacters|metacharacters]] for start-of-line (<code dir=ltr>^</code>) and end-of-line (<code dir=ltr>$</code>) anchors [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T317599] ** for both <code dir=ltr>intitle:</code> and <code dir=ltr>insource:</code> keywords: shorthand [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:CirrusSearch#Character_Classes|character classes]] for digits (<code dir=ltr>\d</code>), whitespace (<code dir=ltr>\s</code>), and word characters (<code dir=ltr>\w</code>); and [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:CirrusSearch#Escape codes|escape codes]] for line feed (<code dir=ltr>\r</code>), newline (<code dir=ltr>\n</code>), tab (<code dir=ltr>\t</code>), and unicode (e.g. <code dir=ltr>\uHHHH</code>). [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T403212] * When you search for text that looks like an IP, the system will now show search results. It used to take you to the contributions for that IP instead of showing search results. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T306325] * [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/Server switch|All wikis will be read-only]] for a few minutes on September 24. This is planned at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1758726000 15:00 UTC]. This is for the datacenter server switchover backup tests which happen twice a year. You can [[diffblog:2025/03/12/hear-that-the-wikis-go-silent-twice-a-year/|read more about the background and details of this process on the Diff blog]]. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:24}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:24|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, a bug was fixed that affected users who used the page-tabs to switch from wikitext editing of a section into the visualeditor. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T401043] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The MediaWiki Interfaces team is redesigning the Wikimedia REST API Sandbox with Codex. If you have feedback on improvements for the API documentation or what makes developer experiences smooth (or frustrating), you’re invited to [https://calendar.google.com/calendar/u/0/appointments/schedules/AcZssZ2aZzbXeQvjOF7gB1fJXiwAYemQjKf4sXNaRODPA7_obFyNBwkzNkoVCoTF-aeov89kIjXHbCQm join an upcoming discovery interview], or [[mw:MediaWiki Interfaces Team/Developer Feedback/Wikimedia Web APIs|leave feedback onwiki]]. [[listarchive:list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/C4FBAOA57PH6G5ORVMAUF5TGYBLZDU5Q/|Learn more]]. * Edits to Wikidata aliases (an alternative name for an item or a property) will now be shown in RecentChanges and Watchlist entries on other wikis less often, reducing unnecessary notifications. This will reduce the overall quantity of 'noisy' entries. Wikidata's own pages remain unchanged. [[m:Wikidata For Wikimedia Projects/Reduce change propagation noise#Phase 1: More granular Alias tracking|Learn more]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T401288] * The new [https://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode17.0.0/ Unicode 17.0] version has been released. The [[:c:Category:Unicode Module Datasets|datasets on Commons]] for the [[:d:Q39301585|Module:Unicode data]] have been updated. Wikipedias that do not use the Commons datasets should either update their own data or switch to the Commons datasets. * Users of the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Enterprise|Wikimedia Enterprise]] Structured Contents endpoints can now access [https://enterprise.wikimedia.com/blog/parsed-wikipedia-tables/ Parsed Tables]. The new Parsed Tables feature extracts and represents Wikipedia tables in structured JSON. This improves machine accessibility as part of the [https://enterprise.wikimedia.com/api/structured-contents/ Structured Contents initiative]. Structured Contents output is freely available through the [https://enterprise.wikimedia.com/docs/on-demand/#article-structured-contents-beta On-demand API], or through Wikimedia Cloud Services. * A [https://www.kaggle.com/datasets/wikimedia-foundation/english-wikipedia-people-dataset dataset of English Wikipedia biographical information] from [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Enterprise|Wikimedia Enterprise]] has been published on Kaggle, for evaluation and research. This provides structured data from more than 1.5 million biographies, including birth and death dates, education, affiliations, careers, awards, and more (from a June 2024 snapshot). * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.19|MediaWiki]] '''Meetings and events''' * [[wmania:Special:MyLanguage/2026:Scholarships|Scholarship applications]] for Wikimania 2026 in Paris, France, are open until October 31. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/38|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W38"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 17:08, 15 September 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29263921 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-39 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Federation of Central America (1921–1922)]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:es:Federación de Centro América (1921-1922)]])&#32;([[:ar:اتحاد أمريكا الوسطى (1921-1922)]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Central America's Northern Triangle (orthographic projection).png|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Federation of Central America''' (Spanish: Federación de Centro América)[1] was a short-lived federal republic that existed in Central America between 1921 and 1922. The federation consisted of the Central American nations of El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:45, 22 September 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29311347 --> == Tech News: 2025-39 == <section begin="technews-2025-W39"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/39|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1758726000 On September 24th at 15:00 UTC], all Wikimedia sites users will experience a brief read-only period due to a scheduled [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/Server switch|datacenter server switchover]]. The Wikimedia Foundation's Site Reliability Engineering (SRE) team will redirect all traffic from one primary server to its backup. You can listen to the switchover using the [http://listen.hatnote.com/ "Listen to Wikipedia"] tool, where you will hear edits stop for a few minutes during the read-only phase, then resume. This twice-yearly datacenter server switchover ensures reliability by testing the backup datacenter, so that our sites can stay online even if the primary datacenter fails. You can [[diffblog:2025/03/12/hear-that-the-wikis-go-silent-twice-a-year/|read more about the process on the Diff blog]]. '''Updates for editors''' * Editors of [[f:Special:Mylanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2025-09-12#Next round of Wiktionaries to receive embedded Wikifunctions calls|60 more Wiktionaries]] will soon be able to call [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Introduction|functions from Wikifunctions]] and integrate them into their pages. A function takes one or more inputs and transforms them into a desired output, like adding numbers, converting miles to meters, calculating elapsed time, or declining a word into a case. They will join the other [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2025-08-29#Wikifunctions available on 65 Wiktionaries|65 Wiktionary language editions]], which already have access to embedded Wikifunctions calls. Later this year, plans are in place to expand to more Wiktionaries and the Incubator. * A new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Magic words#Technical metadata of another page|parser function]] has been added: <code><nowiki>{{#contentmodel}}</nowiki></code>. Template editors and admins can use it to get the localized or canonical name of the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:ChangeContentModel|content model]] of a specific page. The function makes it easier to create and edit system messages, such as ''MediaWiki:editinginterface'', even when you switch types of pages, like wiki, JavaScript, CSS or JSON page. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T328254] * Adding or editing a <code>DISPLAYTITLE</code> for an article using VisualEditor will no longer be broken. Editors who use VisualEditor mode to modify the <code><nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE}}</nowiki></code> would no longer have the literal text "DISPLAYTITLE" or its localized variant added to their articles. A list of pages that may have been affected and might need cleanup is documented in [[phab:P83438|this ticket]]. * Beta users of the Wikipedia Android app can now try the redesigned [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/Activity Tab Experiment|Activity tab]], which replaces the Edits tab. The new tab offers personalized insights into reading, editing, and donation activity, while simplifying navigation and making app use more engaging. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:12}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:12|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.20|MediaWiki]] '''In depth''' * Wikifunctions users can now import many essential facts involving [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Z6011|geo-coordinates]], [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Z6010|quantities]] and [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Z6064|time]] values from Wikidata. This is made possible by the creation of Wikifunctions types for these values, which makes them available for use by functions in Wikifunctions. Learn more about how this works in [[c:File:ImportingWikidataDatatypesIntoWikifunctions.webm|this video]] and Wikifunctions' [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2025-08-01#News in Types I: Wikidata quantity|August 1 newsletter]] (for quantities) and [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2025-08-22#News in Types: Wikidata geo-coordinate|August 22 newsletter]] (for geo-coordinates). '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/39|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W39"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 22:56, 22 September 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29305556 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-40 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:it:Palazzo delle Poste (Latina)]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Postelittoria2.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> Il '''Palazzo delle Poste''', fino al 1945 Ricevitoria Postelegrafonica di Littoria, è un edificio postale di Latina, situato in piazzale dei Bonificatori. Costruito nel 1932 in stile razionalista con influenze futuriste, riscontrabili nell'utilizzo di ampie superfici vetrate e di volumi verticali, oltre che per la presenza di l’utilizzo di materiali e scelte di design molto in voga all'epoca come, come i mattoni a vista, il travertino di Tivoli e l'Anticorodal (una lega di alluminio), ospita l'ufficio postale Latina Centro. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 00:58, 29 September 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29341788 --> == Tech News: 2025-40 == <section begin="technews-2025-W40"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/40|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * A major software upgrade has been made to [[phab:|Phabricator]]. The update introduces performance improvements, a refreshed search interface, enhancements to Maniphest task search, updates to user profile pages and project workboards, new Herald automation features, as well as general text input, mobile experience improvements and more. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/phame/post/view/321/iterative_improvements_september_2025/] '''Updates for editors''' * The Community Tech team will release the new Community Wishlist extension on October 1, that will improve the way wishes will be submitted. The new extension will allow users to add tags to their wishes to better categorise them, and (in a future iteration) to filter them by status, tags and focus areas. It will also be possible to support individual wishes again, as requested by the community in many instances. The old system will be retired. There will be a brief period of downtime while the extension is deployed and wishes are migrated to the new system. You can read more about this [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist/Updates|in the latest update]] or you can consult the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CommunityRequests|current documentation on MediaWiki]]. * As announced [[diffblog:2025/09/02/better-detecting-bots-and-replacing-our-captcha/|on Diff blog]], the production trial of the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity/Anti-abuse signals/hCaptcha|hCaptcha]] service for bot detection has begun. The trial is currently using hCaptcha to protect account creation on Chinese, Persian, Portuguese, Indonesian, Japanese, and Turkish Wikipedias, where it will replace our existing [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:ConfirmEdit#FancyCaptcha|CAPTCHA]] (FancyCaptcha). The goal with the trial is to better block bots while also improving usability and accessibility for users who encounter CAPTCHA challenges. * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents]] extension has been [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents/Deployment status|deployed]] to Wikimedia Commons. The extension makes it easier to organize and participate in collaborative activities, like edit-a-thons and WikiProjects, on the wikis. On Commons, anyone who is a registered user can use it as an event participant. To use it as an organizer, someone needs to have the [[c:Special:MyLanguage/Commons:Event organizers|event organizer right]]. * [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/WMDE Technical Wishes/Sub-referencing|Sub-referencing]], a new feature to re-use references with different details has been released to German Wikipedia. You can [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/WMDE Technical Wishes/Sub-referencing#test|test the feature]] on testwiki or [https://en.wikipedia.beta.wmcloud.org/wiki/Sub-referencing on betawiki] as well. Please share your thoughts on [[:m:Talk:WMDE Technical Wishes/Sub-referencing#Templates used in sub-references|using templates in sub-references]] or [[:m:Talk:WMDE Technical Wishes/Sub-referencing#Pilot wikis|volunteer to become a pilot wiki]]. * On wikis using the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Mentorship|Mentorship]] system, communities can now opt experienced editors out of Mentorship through [[{{#special:CommunityConfiguration/Mentorship}}]]. Within this setting, communities may define thresholds, based on edit count and account age, to decide when an editor is considered experienced enough to no longer receive Mentorship. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T403563] * The Editing Team and the Machine Learning Team are working on a new check for newcomers: [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Edit check/Tone Check|Tone check]]. Using a prediction model, this check will encourage editors to improve the tone of their edits, using artificial intelligence. We invite volunteers to review the first version of the Tone language model for the following languages: Arabic, Czech, German, Hebrew, Indonesian, Dutch, Polish, Russian, Turkish, Chinese, Farsi, Italian, Norwegian, Romanian and Latvian. Users from these wikis interested in reviewing this model are [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Edit_check/Tone_Check/Model_evaluation|invited to sign up at MediaWiki.org]]. The deadline to sign up is on October 3, which will be the start date of the test. * The rollout of [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|multiblocks]] had the side effect that non-active block logs may have been shown on {{#special:Contributions}} and on blocked users' user and user_talk pages. This issue will be fully resolved in a few days. As part of the fix, [{{fullurl:Special:Allmessages|prefix=sp-contributions-blocked-notice}} messages prefixed with <code>sp-contributions-blocked-notice</code>] will be removed and replaced with [{{fullurl:Special:Allmessages|prefix=blocked-notice-logextract}} those prefixed with <code>blocked-notice-logextract</code>] in a few weeks. Please help translate the new messages and update any local overrides if needed. * There was a bug with links added using visual editor if they included characters such as <code dir=ltr><nowiki>[ ] |</nowiki></code> after the fragment identifier (<code><nowiki>#</nowiki></code>). They were not encoded properly creating an incorrect link. This has been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T404823] * One new wiki has been created: a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikiquote/en}} in [[d:Q9237|Malay]] ([[q:ms:|<code>q:ms:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T404698] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:21}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:21|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity/Anti-abuse signals/User Info|User Info Card]] now displays currently active global lock/blocks. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T401128] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Later this week, editors using Lua modules will be able to use the <code>[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Scribunto/Lua reference manual#mw.title.newBatch|mw.title.newBatch]]</code> function to look up the existence of up to 25 pages at once, in a way that only increases the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Parser functions#Expensive parser functions|expensive function]] count once. * A new [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Product and Technology Advisory Council/Unsupported Tools Working Group|Unsupported Tools Working Group]] has been formed as part of ongoing efforts to collectively determine technical work priorities, similar to the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Product and Technology Advisory Council|Product & Technology Advisory Council]] (PTAC). The working group will help prioritize and review requests for support of unmaintained extensions, gadgets, bots, and tools. For the first cycle, the group will be prioritizing an unsupported Wikimedia Commons tool. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.21|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/40|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W40"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 20:54, 29 September 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29355230 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-41 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Majed Abu Maraheel]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Majed Abu Maraheel''' was a Palestinian long-distance runner, football player, security officer, and athletics coach, who was the first Palestinian to compete at the Olympic Games. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 12:48, 6 October 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29341788 --> == Tech News: 2025-41 == <section begin="technews-2025-W41"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/41|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Edit check#paste|Paste Check]] is a new Edit Check feature to help avoid and fight copyright violations. When editors paste text into an article, Paste Check prompts them to confirm the origin and licensing of the content. Starting Wednesday, 8 October, [[phab:T403680|22 wikis will test Paste Check]]. Paste Check will help new volunteers understand and follow the policies and guidelines necessary to make constructive contributions to Wikipedia projects. '''Updates for editors''' * Mobile devices will receive mobile articles directly on the standard domain (like <code>en.wikipedia.org</code>), instead of via a redirect to an "m" domain (like <code>en.m.wikipedia.org</code>). This change improves performance. This week it will be enabled on Wikipedias. The existing mobile URLs and the "Desktop view" opt-out remain available. [[mw:Requests for comment/Mobile domain sunsetting/2025 Announcement|Learn more]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T214998] * New [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:CirrusSearch#creationdate and lasteditdate|date filters]], <code dir=ltr>creationdate:</code> and <code dir=ltr>lasteditdate:</code>, are now available in the wiki search engine. This allows users to filter search results by a page's first or last revision date. The filters support comparison operators (e.g. <code dir=ltr>>2024</code>) and relative dates (e.g. <code dir=ltr>today-1d</code>), making it easier to find recently updated content or pages within specific age ranges. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T403593] * [[f:|Wikifunctions]] now supports rich text in embedded calls across the 150 wikis where it's enabled. To showcase this, the team created a [[f:Z26333|Latin declination table]] that Wiktionary editors can use to automatically generate noun forms, producing clear, formatted results — see an [[f:Wikifunctions:Embedded function calls/Wiktionary tables demonstration|example output]]. If you need any help or have any feedback, please [[f:Wikifunctions:Project chat|contact the Wikifunctions Team]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T397402] * An edit link will now appear inside the categories box on article pages for logged in users, which will directly launch the VisualEditor category dialog. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T291691] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:34}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:34|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, there was a problem downloading pdf files last week and that has been resolved. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T405957] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The field <code dir=ltr>rev_sha1</code> in the revision database table is being removed in favor of <code dir=ltr>content_sha1</code> in the content database table. See [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/cloud@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/2D2M3SP4WHR6BXXKTZ2PBLZQYR3EGQVR/ the announcement] for more information. * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web|Reader Experience team]] will roll out [[w:en:Light-on-dark color scheme|Dark Mode]] user interface on all Wikimedia sites on October 29, 2025. All anonymous users of Wikimedia sites will have the option to activate a color scheme that features light-colored text on a dark background. This is designed to provide a more comfortable reading experience, especially in low-light situations. Template authors and technical contributors are encouraged to [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Accessibility for reading/Updates/2024-04|learn how to make pages ready for Dark mode]] and address any compatibility issues found in templates in their wiki before the enablement. Please contact the Web team for questions or any support on [[mw:Talk:Reading/Web/Accessibility for reading#|this talk page]] before the enablement. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T395628] * Starting on Monday, October 6, API endpoints under the <code>rest.php</code> path will be rerouted through a new internal API Gateway. Individual wikis will be updated based on the standard release groups, with total traffic increased over time. This change is expected to be non-breaking and non-disruptive. If any issues are observed, please file a Phabricator ticket to the [[phab:tag/serviceops/|Service Ops team board]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T400130] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.22|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/41|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W41"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 17:24, 6 October 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29400897 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-42 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Abortion in Eritrea]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> In Eritrea, abortion is banned except on the grounds of pregnancy from rape or incest, pregnancy of a minor, or risk to physical or mental health. Legal abortions require medical or judicial approval. Prior to Eritrea's independence, it applied Ethiopia's abortion law of the 1950s, which banned abortion unless life-saving. After independence, the 1991 penal code adapted this law to lift punishments on abortions on the grounds of rape, incest, or risk to life or health, but legal abortions did not exist in effect. The penal codes of 2001 and 2015 required physicians to prove health grounds for abortion. Unsafe abortion is common and contributes to maternal mortality in Eritrea. Post-abortion care is unavailable in some regions. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:06, 13 October 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29341788 --> == Tech News: 2025-42 == <section begin="technews-2025-W42"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/42|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * Last week, improvements to account security and two-factor authentication (2FA) features were enabled across all wikis. These changes include user interface improvements for [https://auth.wikimedia.org/metawiki/wiki/Special:AccountSecurity Special:AccountSecurity], the support of multiple 2FA methods via authenticator apps and portable security keys (previously users could only enable one method), and a new Recovery Codes module which facilitates fewer account lockouts due to lost two-factor apps and devices. As part of the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity/Account Security|Account Security]] project, work is continuing through the rest of 2025 on further user experience improvements, and support for passkeys as an alternate second factor. '''Updates for editors''' * Another part of the Account security project is making 2FA generally available to all users. Along with editors with advanced privileges, such as administrators and bureaucrats, 40% of editors now have access to 2FA. You can check if you have access at [https://auth.wikimedia.org/metawiki/wiki/Special:AccountSecurity Special:AccountSecurity]. Instructions for activation are on the linked page. The plan is to continue increasing availability if it is determined that the user support capabilities are able to support global usage. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T400579] * This week, users at wikis where talk page [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Talk pages project/Usability|Usability Improvements]] are already available by default (everywhere ''except'' the 12 wikis listed in [[phab:T379264|T379264]]) will gain the ability to Thank a comment directly from the talk page it appears on. Before this change, Thanking could only be done by visiting the revision history of the talk page. You can [[diffblog:2025/10/13/revolutionizing-gratitude-a-new-era-of-thanking-comments/|learn more about this change]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T366095] * Users who have not [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-personal-email|verified their email address]] will soon be receiving monthly Notification reminders to do so. This is because users who have verified their email can more easily recover their account. These reminders will not be sent if the user is inactive or removes the unverified email from their account. [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Email_confirmation][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T58074] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:21}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:21|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, a fix was made for an occasional error with saving translated paragraphs in the Content Translation tool, and the related error messages are now easier to see. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T376531] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The Unsupported Tools Working Group has chosen [[c:Special:MyLanguage/Commons:Video2commons|Video2Commons]] as the first tool for its pilot cycle. The group will explore ways to improve and sustain the tool over the coming months. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Product and Technology Advisory Council/Unsupported Tools Working Group|Learn more on Meta]]. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.23|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/42|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W42"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 19:00, 13 October 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29434481 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-43 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Liberation of Auschwitz concentration camp]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Auschwitz Liberated January 1945.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> On 27 January 1945, Auschwitz—a Nazi concentration camp and extermination camp in occupied Poland where more than a million people were murdered as part of the Nazis' "Final Solution" to the Jewish question—was liberated by the Soviet Red Army during the Vistula–Oder Offensive. Although most of the prisoners had been forced onto a death march, about 7,000 had been left behind. The Soviet soldiers attempted to help the survivors and were shocked at the scale of Nazi crimes. The date is recognized as International Holocaust Remembrance Day. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:04, 20 October 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29452019 --> == Tech News: 2025-43 == <section begin="technews-2025-W43"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/43|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * To optimize how user data is stored in our databases, the saved preferences of users who haven't logged in for over five years and have fewer than 100 edits will be cleared. When those users return, default settings will apply. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T406724] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:20}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:20|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, there was a broken link from the GlobalContributions interface message to the XTools GlobalContributions page which has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T406415] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The work to reroute all traffic to API endpoints under the <code dir=ltr><nowiki>rest.php</nowiki></code> route through a common API gateway is now complete. If any issues are observed, please file a phabricator ticket to the [[phab:tag/serviceops/|Service Ops team board]]. * Edits to Wikidata references or qualifiers will now be shown in RecentChanges and Watchlist entries on other wikis less often, reducing unnecessary notifications. This will reduce the overall quantity of 'noisy' entries. Wikidata's own pages remain unchanged. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T401290] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.24|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/43|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W43"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 19:37, 20 October 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29478670 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-44 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Black Diaries]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Black Diaries''' are diaries purported to have been written by the Irish revolutionary Roger Casement, which contained accounts of homosexual liaisons with young men. They cover the years 1903, 1910 and 1911 (two) and were handed in to Scotland Yard after his capture in April 1916. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:51, 27 October 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29487357 --> == Tech News: 2025-44 == <section begin="technews-2025-W44"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/44|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * The Wikipedia iOS app has launched an A/B/C test of improvements made to the tabbed browsing feature for select regions and languages. The test, named “More dynamic tabs”, explores new tab experiences and includes “Did you know” and “Because you read” article recommendations. You can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/iOS/Tabbed Browsing (Tabs)/New Tab Experience and Recommendations Experiment|read more on the project page]]. * Autoconfirmed users on [[gitiles:operations/mediawiki-config/+/a2d2aaab9ace84280dd2f4c70a33bb69cd73850f/dblists/small.dblist|small]] and [[gitiles:operations/mediawiki-config/+/a2d2aaab9ace84280dd2f4c70a33bb69cd73850f/dblists/medium.dblist|medium wikis]] with the CampaignEvents extension can now use [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event Center/Registration|Event Registration]] without the Event Organizer right. This feature lets organizers enable registration, manage participants, and lets users register with one click instead of signing event pages. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:31}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:31|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the issue of flashing colors when holding or pressing the arrow keys under the dark mode settings in Vector 2022 has been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T402285] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The CampaignEvents extension will be deployed to all remaining wikis during the week of 17 November 2025. The extension currently includes three features: Event Registration, Collaboration List, and Invitation List. For this rollout, Invitation List will not be enabled on Wikifunctions and MediaWiki unless requested by those communities. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents/Deployment status|Visit the deployment page to learn more]]. * The SwaggerUI-based REST sandbox experience is now live on all wiki projects. The sandbox can be accessed through the [[{{#special:RestSandbox}}]] page. Please report any issues to the MediaWiki Interfaces team board, or join the discussion on the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/MediaWiki Interfaces Team/Feature Feedback/REST Sandbox|project launch]] page. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/board/6931/] * Transform endpoints with a trailing slash path in the MediaWiki REST API are now marked as deprecated. They will remain functional during this time, but removal is expected by the end of January 2026. All API users currently calling them are encouraged to transition to the non-trailing slash versions. Both endpoint variations can be found and tested using the [https://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?api=mw-extra&title=Special%3ARestSandbox REST Sandbox]. See the [[mw:API/Deprecation|MediaWiki REST API Deprecation]] page for more detailed information about the API deprecation policies and procedures. * A dedicated [[mw:API:REST API/Changelog|changelog now exists for the MediaWiki REST API]]. The changelog provides an overview of these changes, making it easier for developers to keep track of improvements and iterations. Announcements will also continue to flow through the standard communication channels, including Tech News and email distribution lists, but can now be more easily referenced from a central location. If you have feedback about the style, structure, or content of this changelog, please [[mw:API talk:REST API/Changelog|join the discussion]]. * Administrators can delete the tracking category which was previously added by the JsonConfig extension, as it is no longer used. See the categories linked from [[d:Q130635582#sitelinks-wikipedia|Q130635582]]. It is OK if there are still pages listed in the category as that is just a caching issue, and they will be automatically cleared out the next time each page is edited. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T378352] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.25|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/44|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W44"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 19:32, 27 October 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29513638 --> |} == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-45 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Consolations (Liszt)]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Franz Liszt - Consolation No. 3, Lento placido.ogg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Consolations''', S. 171a/172 (German: Tröstungen) are a set of six solo piano works by Franz Liszt. The compositions take the musical style of nocturnes with each having its own distinctive style. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:52, 3 November 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29558323 --> == Tech News: 2025-45 == <section begin="technews-2025-W45"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/45|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * Administrators will now find that [[{{#special:MergeHistory}}]] is now significantly more flexible about what it can merge. It can now merge sections taken from the middle of the history of the source (rather than only the start) and insert revisions anywhere in the history of the destination page (rather than only the start). [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T382958] * For users with "{{int:discussiontools-preference-autotopicsub}}" [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing|enabled in their preferences]], starting a new topic or adding a reply to an existing topic will now subscribe them to replies to that topic. Previously, this would only happen if the DiscussionTools "{{int:Skin-action-addsection}}" or "{{int:Discussiontools-replybutton}}" widgets were used. When DiscussionTools was originally launched existing accounts were not opted in to automatic topic subscriptions, so this change should primarily affect newer accounts and users who have deliberately changed their preferences since that time. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T290778] * Scribunto modules can now be used to [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Scribunto/Lua reference manual#SVG library|generate SVG images]]. This can be used to build charts, graphics and other visualizations dynamically through Lua, reducing the need to compose them externally and upload them as files. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T405861] * Wikimedia sites now provide all anonymous users with the option to enable a dark mode color scheme, featuring light-colored text on a dark background. This enhancement aims to deliver a more enjoyable reading experience, especially in dimly lit environments. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T395628] * Users with large watchlists have long faced timeouts when editing [[Special:EditWatchlist|Special:EditWatchlist]]. The page now loads entries in smaller sections instead of all at once due to a paging update, allowing everyone to edit their watchlists smoothly. As part of the database update, sorting by expiry has been removed because it was over 100× slower than sorting by title. A [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist/W454 community wish] has been created to explore alternative ways to restore sort-by-expiry. If this feature is important to you, please support the wish! [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T41510] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:31}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:31|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the fixing of the persisting highlighting when using VisualEditor find and replace during a query. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T407318] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Since 2019 the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia URL Shortener|Wikimedia URL Shortener]] at https://w.wiki is available for all Wikimedia wikis to create short links to articles, permalinks, diffs, etc. It is available in the sidebar as "Get shortened URL". There are 30 wikis that also install an older "ShortUrl" extension. The old extension will soon be removed. This means <code>/s/</code> URLs will not be advertised under article titles via HTML <code dir=ltr>class="title-shortlink"</code>. The <code>/s/</code> URLs will keep working. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T107188] * On Thursday, October 30, the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/MediaWiki Interfaces Team|MediaWiki Interfaces]] and [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Site Reliability Engineering|SRE Service Operations]] teams began rerouting Action API traffic through a common API gateway. Individual wikis will be updated based on the standard release groups, with total traffic increased over time. This change is expected to be non-breaking and non-disruptive. If any issues are observed, please file a Phabricator ticket to the [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/serviceops/ Service Ops team] board. * MediaWiki Train deployments will pause for the final two weeks of 2025: 22 December and 29 December. Backport windows will also pause between Monday, 22 December 2025 and Thursday, 2 January 2026. A backport window is a scheduled time to add things like bug fixes and configuration changes. There are seven deployment trains remaining for 2025. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/SMWTEAES4SDLDUSK4HMWNBSKNCXZAWYN/] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.26|MediaWiki]] '''In depth''' * In 2025, the Wikimedia Foundation reported that AI systems and search engines increasingly use Wikipedia content without driving users to the site, contributing to an 8% drop in human pageviews compared to 2024. After detecting bots disguised as humans, Wikimedia updated its traffic data to reflect this shift. Read more about current user trends on Wikipedia in [[diffblog:2025/10/17/new-user-trends-on-wikipedia/|a Diff blog post]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/45|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W45"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 19:35, 3 November 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29552512 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-46 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Marine coastal ecosystem]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Vegetation and fauna processes controlling benthic biogeochemical fluxes.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> A '''marine coastal ecosystem''' is a marine ecosystem which occurs where the land meets the ocean. Worldwide there is about 620,000 kilometres (390,000 mi) of coastline. Coastal habitats extend to the margins of the continental shelves, occupying about 7 percent of the ocean surface area. Marine coastal ecosystems include many very different types of marine habitats, each with their own characteristics and species composition. They are characterized by high levels of biodiversity and productivity. For example, estuaries are areas where freshwater rivers meet the saltwater of the ocean, creating an environment that is home to a wide variety of species, including fish, shellfish, and birds. Salt marshes are coastal wetlands which thrive on low-energy shorelines in temperate and high-latitude areas, populated with salt-tolerant plants such as cordgrass and marsh elder that provide important nursery areas for many species of fish and shellfish. Mangrove forests survive in the intertidal zones of tropical or subtropical coasts, populated by salt-tolerant trees that protect habitat for many marine species, including crabs, shrimp, and fish. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:54, 10 November 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29584005 --> == Tech News: 2025-46 == <section begin="technews-2025-W46"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/46|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' [[File:Talk pages default look (April 2023).jpg|thumb|alt=Screenshot of the visual improvements made on talk pages|Example of a talk page with the new design, in French.]] * Starting November 12, users will see a change in the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Talk pages project/Feature summary#Usability improvements|appearance of talk pages]] on [[Phab:T379264|some Wikipedias]]. Almost [[phab:T392121|all wikis]] have received this design change; [[phab:T409297|English Wikipedia]] will get these changes later. You can read more [[diffblog:2024/05/02/making-talk-pages-better-for-everyone/|on ''Diff'']]. Users can opt out of these changes [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing|in their user preferences]] in "{{int:discussiontools-preference-visualenhancements}}". [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T379264] * MediaWiki can now display a [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Protection indicators|page indicator]] automatically while a page is protected. This feature is disabled by default. It can be enabled by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Requesting wiki configuration changes|community request]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T12347] * Using the "{{int:showpreview}}" or "{{int:showdiff}}" buttons in the wikitext editor will now carry over certain URL parameters like '[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Parameters to index.php#useskin|useskin]]', '[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Parameters to index.php#uselang|uselang]]' and '[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Section#Editing sections|section]]'. This update also fixes an issue where, if the browser crashed while previewing an edit to a single section, saving this edit could overwrite the entire page with just that section’s content. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T62744][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T24029][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155097] * Wikivoyage wikis can use [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:Kartographer#Markers and counters|colored map markers in the article text]]. The text of these markers will now be shown in contrasting black or white color, instead of always being white. Local workarounds for the problem can be removed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T369454] * The Activity tab in the Wikipedia Android app is now available for all users. The new tab offers personalized insights into reading, editing, and donation activity, while simplifying navigation and making app use more engaging. [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Team/Android/Activity_Tab_Experiment] * The Reader Growth team is launching an experiment called "Image browsing" to test how to make it easier for readers to browse and discover images on Wikipedia articles. This experiment, a mobile-only A/B test, will go live on English Wikipedia in the week of November 17 and will run for four weeks, affecting 0.05% of users on English wiki. The test launched on November 3 on Arabic, Chinese, French, Indonesian, and Vietnamese wikis, affecting up to 10% of users on those wikis. [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Readers/Reader_Growth/WE3.1.3_Image_Browsing] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:27}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:27|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example the inability to lock accounts on mobile sites has been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T256185] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[wikitech:Help talk:Toolforge/Toolforge standards committee#November 2025 committee nominations|Nominations are open on Wikitech]] for new [[wikitech:Help:Toolforge/Toolforge standards committee|Toolforge standards committee]] members. The committee oversees the Toolforge [[wikitech:Help:Toolforge/Right to fork policy|Right to fork policy]] and [[wikitech:Help:Toolforge/Abandoned tool policy|Abandoned tool policy]] among other duties. Nominations will remain open through 2025-11-28. * The [[w:JSON Web Token#Standard fields|JWT issuer field]] in [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/OAuth/For Developers#OAuth 2|OAuth 2 access tokens]] for [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Unified login|SUL wikis]] has been changed to <code><nowiki>https://meta.wikimedia.org</nowiki></code>. Old access tokens will still work. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T399199] * The [[w:JSON Web Token#Standard fields|JWT subject field]] in [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/OAuth/For Developers#OAuth 2|OAuth 2 access tokens]] will soon change from <code><user id></code> to <code dir=ltr style="white-space:nowrap">mw:<identity type>:<user id></code>, where <code><identity type></code> is typically <code dir=ltr>CentralAuth:</code><!-- not a typo --> (for [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Unified login|SUL wikis]]) or <code dir=ltr style="white-space:nowrap">local:<wiki id></code> (for other wikis). This is to avoid conflicts between different user ID types, and to make OAuth 2 access tokens and the <code>sessionJwt</code> cookie more similar. Old access tokens will still work. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T399199] * MediaWiki's block messages ([[MediaWiki:Blockedtext|blockedtext]], [[MediaWiki:Blockedtext-partial|blockedtext-partial]], [[MediaWiki:Autoblockedtext|autoblockedtext]], [[MediaWiki:Systemblockedtext|systemblockedtext]], [[MediaWiki:Blockedtext-tempuser|blockedtext-tempuser]], [[MediaWiki:Autoblockedtext-tempuser|autoblockedtext-tempuser]]) now support additional parameters indicating whether the user is blocked from editing their own user talk page <code><nowiki>$9</nowiki></code> or emailing other users <code><nowiki>$</nowiki><nowiki>10</nowiki></code>. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285612] * A <code>REL1_45</code> branch for MediaWiki core and each of the extensions and skins in Wikimedia git has been created. This is the first step in the release process for MediaWiki 1.45.0, scheduled for late November 2025. If you are working on a critical bug fix or working on a new feature, you may need to take note of this change. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/ZUY7TY3Z6XPZWZVAZV63OPO5OW52Q6GE/] * The process for generating CirrusSearch dumps has been updated due to slowing performance. If you encounter any issues migrating to the replacement dumps, please contact the Search Platform Team for support. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T366248][https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/3KQPOR6ACVN6OVLMLZPIBXQSWQKW4E3K/] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.2|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/46|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W46"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 20:38, 10 November 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29606150 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-47 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Elephant communication]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Three elephant's curly kisses.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Elephants communicate''' via touching, visual displays, vocalisations, seismic vibrations, and semiochemicals. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:24, 17 November 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29627457 --> == Tech News: 2025-47 == <section begin="technews-2025-W47"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/47|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Reader Experience|Reader Experience team]] is experimenting with [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Reader Experience/WE3.3.4_Reading lists|reading lists on mobile web]], allowing logged-in readers with no edits to save private lists of articles for later. The experiment is running on Arabic, Chinese, French, Indonesian, and Vietnamese Wikipedias since the week of 10 November, and will begin on English Wikipedia the week of 17 November. * Users who can’t receive their email verification code during login can now get help by submitting a form on a new special page. This update is part of the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity/Account Security|Account Security]] initiative. If your account has an email address, please make sure you still have access to it. When logging in from a new device or location without 2FA, you may be asked to enter a 6-digit code sent by email to finish logging in. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity/Account Security#Why are you requiring me to enter a code from my email to log in? Can I opt out of this?|Learn more]]. * One new wiki has been created: a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikisource}} in [[d:Q13324|Minangkabau]] ([[s:min:|<code>s:min:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T408317] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:23}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:23|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * As part of the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Parsoid/Parser Unification|Parser Unification]] project, the Content Transform Team rolled out Parsoid as the default parser to many low-traffic Wikipedias and is preparing the next step to high traffic ones. This message is an invitation for you to opt-in to Parsoid, as described in the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserMigration|Extension:ParserMigration]] documentation, and identify any issues you might encounter with your own workflow using bots, gadgets, or user scripts. Please, let us know through the ''"Report Visual Bug"'' link in the Tools sidebar or create a phab ticket and tag the [[phab:project/view/5846|Content Transform Team in Phabricator]]. * Unsupported Tools: Several issues with [[:c:Special:MyLanguage/Commons:Video2commons|Video2Commons]] have been fixed, including filename-related upload failures, black-video imports, and retry handling. AV1 support has also been added. Ongoing work focuses on backend stability, ffmpeg errors, subtitle imports, metadata handling, and playlist uploads. To track specific tasks, check the [[phab:tag/video2commons/|Phabricator board]]. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.3|MediaWiki]] '''Meetings and events''' * Save the date for the next Wikimedia Hackathon happening in Milan, Italy from May 1–3, 2026. Registration will open in January 2026. [https://pretix.eu/wikimedia/Hackathon-2026/ Scholarship applications are currently open], and will close on November 28, 2025. If you have any questions, please email <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">hackathon@wikimedia.org</bdi>. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/47|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W47"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 17:27, 17 November 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29627455 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-48 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Animal-made art]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Painting Queen 1024x768.png|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Animal-made art''' consists of works by non-human animals, that have been considered by humans to be artistic, including visual works, music, photography, and videography. Some of these are created naturally by animals, often as courtship displays, while others are created with human involvement. There have been debates about the copyright status of these works, with the United States Copyright Office stating in 2014 that works that lack human authorship cannot have their copyright registered at the US Copyright Office. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:13, 24 November 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29627457 --> == Tech News: 2025-48 == <section begin="technews-2025-W48"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/48|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * Last week, the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Search Platform|Wikimedia Search Team]] recreated the "DWIM" (Do What I Mean) gadget functionality server-side, for Russian and Hebrew Wikipedias. This feature adds cross-keyboard suggestions to the standard search-box suggestions. For example, searching for ''<span lang="und" dir="ltr">cxfcnmt</span>'' on Russian Wikipedia will now add suggestions for ''<span lang="ru" dir="ltr">счастье</span>'' ("happiness") that the user probably intended. They plan to enable this feature for other Russian and Hebrew wikis this week. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T408734] * Later this week, users of the "{{int:codemirror-beta-feature-title}}" [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures|beta feature]] will have syntax highlighting available in [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:DiscussionTools|DiscussionTools]]. This requires that the "{{int:discussiontools-preference-sourcemodetoolbar}}" preference be set. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T407918] * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CampaignEvents|Campaign events extension]] – the set of tools for coordinating events and other on-wiki collaborations has now been deployed to all Wikimedia wikis. A new feature known as [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents/Collaborative contributions|Collaborative contribution]] to help organizers and participants see the impact of activities has also been added. Join the upcoming [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Connection learning session 3|learning session]] to see the new feature in action and share your feedback. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:24}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:24|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the bug which stopped CodeReviewBot from working, has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T410417] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Users of Wikimedia API can join a usability study to help validate the new design of Wikimedia REST API sandboxes. Interested participants should fill the [https://wikimediafoundation.limesurvey.net/487662 recruitment survey]. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/IREJRRWTZTGCYWQHDMSNJFTQAEPOOAE3/] * The MediaWiki Interfaces team is deprecating XSLT stylesheets within the Action API. Support for <code dir=ltr>format=xml'''&xlst={stylesheet}'''</code> will be removed from Wikimedia projects by the end of November, 2025. In addition, it will soon be disabled by default in MediaWiki release versions: v1.43 (LTS), v1.44, and v1.45. Support for XSLT stylesheets will be fully removed from MediaWiki v1.46 (expected to release between April and May 2026). [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/5AX7UWAVVUNUSBOIRHMNOKWOZ5EZI3JX/] * The WDQS legacy endpoint ([https://query-legacy-full.wikidata.org/ query-legacy-full.wikidata.org]) will be decommissioned at the end of December 2025, and finally closed down on 7th January 2026. After this date, users should expect requests to query.wikidata.org that require the full graph to fail or return invalid results if they are not rewritten to use SPARQL federation. The team encourages users to ensure that tools and workflows use the supported WDQS endpoints (<span dir=ltr><nowiki>https://query.wikidata.org/</nowiki></span> - Main graph or <span dir=ltr><nowiki>https://query-scholarly.wikidata.org/</nowiki></span> - Scholarly graph). For support with migrating use cases, please review the [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Data_access|Data Access]] and [[d:Wikidata:Request_a_query|Request a Query]] pages for details and assistance on alternative access methods. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.4|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/48|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W48"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 15:57, 24 November 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29702226 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-49 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Halachic state]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The term "'''halachic state'''" (Hebrew: מְדִינַת הֲלָכָה‎ Medīnat Hălāḵā) refers to a sovereign state that endorses Judaism in an official capacity and governs by Jewish religious law. It has been a subject of discussion among Orthodox Jews, particularly with regard to modern Israel, which, although a Jewish state, is not classified as a theocracy. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 08:01, 1 December 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29719355 --> == Tech News: 2025-49 == <section begin="technews-2025-W49"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/49|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * The Wikipedia Year in Review 2025 will be available on December 2 for users of iOS and Android Wikipedia apps, featuring new personalized insights, updated reading highlights, and refreshed designs. Learn more on the review's [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Wikipedia Year in Review/Updates|project page]]. * The Growth team is working on improving the text and presentation of the Verification Email sent to new users to make them more welcoming, useful and informative. Some new text have been drafted for A/B testing and you can help by translating them. See [[phab:T396155|Phabricator]]. * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Add a link|Add a link]] will now be deployed at Japanese, Urdu and Chinese Wikipedias on December 2. Add a link is based on a prediction model that suggests links to be added to articles. While this feature has already been available on most Wikipedias, the prediction model could not support certain languages. A new model has now been developed to handle these languages, and it will be gradually rolled out to other Wikipedias over time. If you would like to know more, please contact [[mw:user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek (WMF)]]. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:34}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:34|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the issue where search boxes on some Commons pages showed no results due to switch from SpecialSearch to MediaSearch, has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T399476] * Two new wikis have been created: ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia}} in [[d:Q36846|Toki Pona]] ([[w:tok:|<code>w:tok:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T404457] ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikiquote}} in [[d:Q33655|Nigerian Pidgin]] ([[q:pcm:|<code>q:pcm:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T408318] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.5|MediaWiki]] '''In depth''' * The Wikimedia Foundation is in the early stages of exploring approaches to '''Article guidance'''. The initiative aims to identify interventions that could help new editors easily understand and apply existing Wikipedia practices and policies when creating an article. The project is in the exploration and early experimental design phase. All community members are encouraged to [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Article guidance|learn more]] about the project, and share their thoughts on [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Talk:Article guidance|the talk page]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/49|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W49"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 18:58, 1 December 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29732328 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-50 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:ru:Сто лошадей]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:en:One Hundred Horses]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:A_Hundred_Steeds.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''''One Hundred Horses''''' (Chinese: 百駿圖) is a Qing dynasty silk and ink painting by Giuseppe Castiglione. It was painted in 1728 for the Yongzheng emperor. The painting depicts a hundred horses in a variety of poses and activities, combining Western realism with traditional Chinese composition and brushwork. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:29, 8 December 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29719355 --> == Tech News: 2025-50 == <section begin="technews-2025-W50"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/50|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * Anybody who wishes to secure their user account can now use [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Two-factor authentication|two-factor authentication]] (2FA). This is available to all registered users of all Wikimedia projects. This is part of the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity/Account Security|Account Security]] initiative. Later, 2FA will be required for all users who can take security- or privacy-sensitive actions. '''Updates for editors''' * Following last week's deployments, the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Add a link|Add a link]] feature, which allows editors to add suggested links during editing, will be available to an additional [[Phab:T410469|33 Wikipedias]] starting on 9 December. This expansion is possible thanks to the new prediction model that now supports all languages, including those that were previously not covered. While the feature has been available on most Wikipedias for some time, this rollout brings us closer to using the improved model everywhere. If you have any questions or would like more details please contact [[mw:user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek (WMF)]]. * Last week, the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Search Platform|Search Platform team]] added [[w:en:Transliteration|transliterated]] as-you-type search suggestions to Georgian wikis. If there are only a few regular search suggestions, then queries in Latin or Cyrillic script [[phab:T127003|are now rewritten into Georgian script]] to look for more matches. For example, searching for either <bdi lang="ka-Latn" dir="ltr">''bedniereba''</bdi> or <bdi lang="ka-Cyrl" dir="ltr">''бедниереба''</bdi> will now suggest the existing article about <bdi lang="ka" dir="ltr">ბედნიერება</bdi> ("happiness"). You can recommend other languages where transliterated suggestions would be useful [[phab:T375215|on Phabricator]] for future development. * Later this week, a controlled experiment will begin for editors on the 100 largest Wikipedias who are editing a section in the mobile web visual editor. 50% of these editors will notice a new "Edit full page" button that will enable them to expand their editing session to the whole page. This feature is intended to make it easier for people on mobile web to edit any article section, regardless of which section-edit icon they tapped to begin. The experiment will last ~4 weeks. You can find [[phab:T409112|more details]] about the project. * Later this week, the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Reader Growth|Reader Growth team]] will launch a [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Reader Growth/WE3.1.14 Expanded Mobile Sections|mobile web experiment]] to expand all article sections by default (currently they are collapsed by default) and pin the section header the user is currently reading to the top of the page. The experiment will affect 10% of users on Arabic, Chinese, French, Indonesian, and Vietnamese Wikipedias. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T409485] * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Wikipedia Year in Review/2025 Year in Review|Wikipedia Year in Review 2025]], a feature in the Wikipedia mobile apps (iOS and Android) that provides users with a personalised summary of their engagement with Wikipedia over the year, is now available on the iOS and Android apps. This edition includes expanded personalised insights, improved reading highlights, new donor messaging, and updated designs. Open the app to view your Year in Review and explore your reading journey from 2025. * A recent software bug caused edits made with VisualEditor to make unintended changes to wikitext, including removing whitespace and replacing spaces with underscores in wikilinks inside citations. This was partially fixed last week, and further fixes are in progress. Editors who used VisualEditor between November 28 and December 2 should review their edits for unexpected modifications. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T411238] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:23}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:23|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the incorrect handling of URLs copied from the address bar of Microsoft Edge users, has been resolved. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T341281] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Starting this week, users of the "{{int:codemirror-beta-feature-title}}" [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures|beta feature]] will have [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror|CodeMirror]] as the editor for Lua, JavaScript, CSS, JSON and Vue content models, instead of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CodeEditor|CodeEditor]]. With this, the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror#Linting|linters]] will be upgraded. This is part of a larger effort to eventually replace CodeEditor and provide a consistent code editing experience. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T373711] * Developers are encouraged to take the [https://wikimediafoundation.limesurvey.net/552643 2025 Developer Satisfaction Survey], which remains open until 5 January 2026. If you build software for the Wikimedia ecosystem and would like to share your experiences or feedback, your participation is greatly appreciated. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/W4WBKO6Q55UWWCCSFWQATKEXBEHP3QNR/] * There is no new MediaWiki version this week. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/50|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W50"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 17:46, 8 December 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29738112 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-51 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:First Universal Races Congress]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:fr:Premier Congrès universel des races]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Universal Races Congress seated outside the entrance to the Imperial Institute, London, 1911.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''First Universal Races Congress''' met in 1911 for four days at the University of London as an early effort at anti-racism. Speakers from a number of countries discussed race relations and how to improve them. The congress, with 2,100 attendees, was organised by prominent humanists of that era. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:56, 15 December 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29779168 --> == Tech News: 2025-51 == <section begin="technews-2025-W51"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/51|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:18}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:18|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, one of the fixes addressed an issue for temporary accounts adding an external URL, which triggered an hCaptcha request in more cases than intended, and did not display the required popup on the first attempt to publish the edit. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T411927] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * To improve database and site performance, external links to Wikimedia projects will no longer be stored in the database. This means they will not be searchable in [[{{#special:LinkSearch}}]], will not be checked by the Spam Blacklist or AbuseFilter as new links, and will not be in the <code dir=ltr>externallinks</code> table on database replicas. In the future this may be extended to other highly-linked trusted websites on a per-wiki basis, such as Creative Commons links on Wikimedia Commons. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T405005] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.7|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/51|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W51"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 19:03, 15 December 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29796010 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-52 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Pin Malakul]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Pin Malakul, January 1922.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Pin Malakul''' (24 October 1903 – 5 October 1995) was a Thai professor, educator and writer. His contributions to education in Thailand include the establishment of various institutions of higher education, the introduction of fixed class schedules, and the implementation of teacher-training programmes. In his career he served as Director-General of the Department of General Education, later becoming Permanent Secretary, and Minister, of Education. He was also a member of the executive board of UNESCO. His writings earned him the title of National Artist in 1987, and the 100th anniversary of his birth was celebrated by the UNESCO in 2003 as recognition of his contribution to the advancement of education in Thailand and Southeast Asia. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> -[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:26, 22 December 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29802495 --> == Tech News: 2025-52 == <section begin="technews-2025-W52"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/52|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * From January, edit filters [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:AbuseFilter/Access flags|can be set]] to automatically suppress their details such as rules and list of attempted edits and actions. This will help oversighters use edit filters to prevent doxxing or other suppressible material. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T290324] * The next issue of Tech News will be sent out on 12 January 2026 because of the end of year holidays. Thank you to all of the translators, and people who submitted content or feedback, this year. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:16}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:16|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the crash that occurred when tapping "First Steps" in the Wikipedia Android Year in Review has now been fixed, and the feature opens as expected. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T411546] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Interface elements such as diffs and categories generated by MediaWiki used to have the attribute <code dir=ltr>data-mw="interface"</code> to distinguish from wiki content. The attribute has been replaced with <code dir=ltr>data-mw-interface=""</code>, to avoid potential conflicts with other <code dir=ltr>data-mw</code> attributes, which are generated by Parsoid. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T409187] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] There is no new MediaWiki version this week or next week. '''Meetings and events''' * The [[mw:Wikimedia Hackathon Northwestern Europe 2026|Wikimedia Hackathon Northwestern Europe 2026]] will take place on 13-14 March 2026 in Arnhem, the Netherlands. Applications just opened mid-December and will close in mid-January or earlier if capacity is reached. With space for approximately 100 participants, early application is encouraged. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/52|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W52"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 21:46, 22 December 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29831856 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-01 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:The Morning of the Magicians]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Le Matin des magiciens, couverture.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''''The Morning of the Magicians: Introduction to Fantastic Realism''''' (French: Le Matin des magiciens: Introduction au réalisme fantastique) is a 1960 book by the journalists Louis Pauwels and Jacques Bergier. It covers topics like cryptohistory, ufology, occultism in Nazism, alchemy, spiritual philosophy. The second half of the book is entirely dedicated to the Nazi-Occult connections; the book is widely credited with the proliferation of numerous myths related to occultism in Nazism. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:20, 29 December 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29802495 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-02 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Somaliland War of Independence]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Somaliland, fighters of the Somali National Movement (SNM), 1980s.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Somaliland War of Independence''' was a rebellion waged by the Somali National Movement (SNM) against the ruling military junta in Somalia led by General Siad Barre lasting from its founding on 6 April 1981 and ended on 18 May 1991 when the SNM declared what was then northern Somalia independent as the Republic of Somaliland. The conflict served as the main theater of the larger Somali Rebellion that started in 1978. The conflict was in response to the harsh policies enacted by the Barre regime against the main clan family in Somaliland, the Isaaq, including a declaration of economic warfare on the clan-family. These harsh policies were put into effect shortly after the conclusion of the disastrous Ogaden War in 1978. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 03:00, 5 January 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29871911 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-03 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:it:Pietro Lauro]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:en:Pietro Lauro]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Master I.A.V.F., Pietro Lauro, born 1508, Modenese Poet and Scholar (obverse), 1555, NGA 45072.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Pietro Lauro''', conosciuto anche come Pietro Lauro Modonese o Pietro Lauro da Modona (Modena o dintorni, 1510 circa – Venezia, 1568 circa) è stato un traduttore, scrittore e divulgatore scientifico italiano. Nonostante non si conosca gran parte della sua biografia, fu uno dei poligrafi italiani più conosciuti del Cinquecento. La sua produzione raccoglie traduzioni dal latino, dal greco e dallo spagnolo e riguardano opere di autori classici, stranieri e protestanti. Lauro si dimostrò abile nel trattare testi con temi molto diversi, come la filosofia, l'architettura, la medicina, il giardinaggio, l'agronomia, le scienze biologiche, la storia, la teologia e l'astronomia. Si cimentò anche nella scrittura di un poema cavalleresco sullo stile di quelli spagnoli, il Polendo, sua magnum opus in questo senso. Aderente alla Riforma protestante, sebbene le sue trasposizioni siano state oggetto di critiche già degli autori a lui contemporanei, che le giudicarono troppo letterali, rozze e imparziali, a Lauro si deve il merito di aver ultimato la traduzione in lingua volgare di numerosi testi sia classici, sia scientifici, sia epistolari. I suoi lavori ebbero una notevole diffusione, non solo tra i letterati veneziani della sua epoca, ma in tutta Italia, tanto che alcune sue traduzioni vengono ancora oggi ristampate in nuove edizioni. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:45, 12 January 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29894468 --> == Tech News: 2026-03 == <section begin="technews-2026-W03"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/03|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The Wikimedia Foundation has shared some guiding questions for the July 2026–June 2027 Annual Plan on [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2026-2027/Product & Technology OKRs|Meta]] and ''[[diffblog:2025/12/10/shaping-wikimedia-foundations-2026-2027-annual-goals-key-questions-for-the-wikimedia-movement/|Diff]]''. These focus on global trends, faster and healthier experimentation, better support for newcomers, strengthening editors and advanced users, improving collaboration across projects, and growing and retaining readership. Feedback and ideas are welcome on the [[m:Talk:Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2026-2027|talk page]]. '''Updates for editors''' * As part of the current work of Community Tech team on the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist/W372|Multiple watchlists]] project, the display of [[Special:EditWatchlist|EditWatchlist]] will be updated as a first step towards multiple watchlists. Additionally, the pagination on [[Special:Search|Search]] will be updated too, as a part of the work on the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist/W186|Revamp pagination / page navigation]] wish. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T411596] * [[m:Special:GlobalWatchlist|The Global Watchlist]] is a MediaWiki [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:GlobalWatchlist|extension]] that lets you see your watchlists from different wikis on the same page. It was recently updated to look more like the regular [[Special:Watchlist|Watchlist]], such as preparing it for temporary accounts in IP masking (including rerouting user links to contributions pages), making page titles bold, and opening links in edit summaries and tags in new browser tabs. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T398361][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T298919][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T273526][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T286309] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:28}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:28|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the issue where global blocks did not have the option to disable sending emails, has now been fixed, and will be available for use in the week of January 13. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T401293] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/VisualEditor/Citation tool|VisualEditor citation tool]] and [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Reference Previews|Reference Previews]] now support "map" as a reference type. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T411083] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.10|MediaWiki]]/[[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.11|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/03|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W03"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 19:34, 12 January 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29907192 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-04 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:it:Volto di Palazzo Vecchio]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Piazza della signoria angolo via della ninna, palazzo vecchio, cantonata con testa scolpita 02.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> Il '''volto di Palazzo Vecchio''' (conosciuto anche come L'importuno o L'inopportuno) è un incisione su pietraforte attibuita a Michelangelo Buonarroti, scolpita in una delle pietre di Palazzo Vecchio a Firenze. Secondo le varie leggende, il profilo sarebbe stato realizzato come graffito dall'artista toscano, con soggetto un suo importunatore, un debitore, un condannato a morte o se stesso. Nel 2020, gli studiosi hanno ipotizzato possa invece trattarsi di un ritratto di Francesco Granacci, pittore amico di Michelangelo. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:14, 19 January 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29945240 --> == Tech News: 2026-04 == <section begin="technews-2026-W04"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/04|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * The tray shown on [[Special:Diff|Special:Diff]] in mobile view has been redesigned. It is now collapsed by default, and incorporates a link to undo the edit being viewed, making it easier for mobile editors and reviewers to take action while keeping the interface uncluttered. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T402297] * [[m:Special:GlobalWatchlist|The Global Watchlist]] lets you view your watchlists from multiple wikis on one page. The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:GlobalWatchlist|extension]] continues to improve — it now automatically determines the text direction (ensuring correct display of sites with unusual domain names) and shows detailed descriptions for log actions. Later this week, a new permanent link for page creations and CSS classes for each entry element will be added. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T412505][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T287929][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T262768][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T414135] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:32}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:32|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the previously observed issue in Vector 2022, where anchor link targets were obscured by the sticky header, has now been addressed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T406114] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * As mentioned in the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/44|October 2025 deprecation announcement]], MediaWiki Interfaces team will begin sunsetting all transform endpoints containing a trailing slash from the MediaWiki REST API the week of January 26. Changes are expected to roll out to all wikis on or before January 30th. All API users currently calling them are encouraged to transition to the non-trailing slash versions. Both endpoint variations can be found, compared, and tested using the [https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:RestSandbox REST Sandbox]. If you have questions or encounter any problems, please file a ticket in Phabricator to the [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/view/6931/ #MW-Interfaces-Team board]. * Interactive reference documentation for the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia REST API|Wikimedia REST API]] has moved. Requests to API docs previously hosted through [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/RESTBase|RESTBase]] (e.g.: <code dir=ltr>https://en.wikipedia.org/api/rest_v1/</code>) are now redirected to the [[w:en:Special:RestSandbox|REST Sandbox]]. * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata Platform|WMF Wikidata Platform team]] (WDP) has published its [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Wikidata Platform team/Newsletter|January 2026 newsletter]]. It includes updates on the legacy full-graph endpoint decommissioning, the User-Agent policy change, the monthly Blazegraph migration office hours, and efforts to reduce regressions caused by the legacy endpoint shutdown. As a reminder, you can [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Global message delivery/Targets/WDP team updates|subscribe to the WDP newsletter]]! * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.12|MediaWiki]] '''Meetings and events''' * The [[mw:Wikimedia Hackathon Northwestern Europe 2026|Wikimedia Hackathon Northwestern Europe 2026]] will take place on 13-14 March 2026 in Arnhem, the Netherlands. Applications opened mid-December and will close soon or when capacity is reached. It's a two-day, technically oriented hackathon bringing together Wikimedians from the region. Hope to see you there! '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/04|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W04"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 20:30, 19 January 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29943403 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-05 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:it:Raffaello Kobayashi]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:en:Raffaello Kobayashi]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Raffaello Kobayashi''', nato Raffaele Sanzio (Bari, 14 gennaio 1917 – Yokohama, 1 aprile 2011), è stato un militare italiano naturalizzato giapponese. Sommergibilista durante la Seconda guerra mondiale, prestò servizio per tutte e tre le principali Potenze dell'Asse: Regno d'Italia, Germania nazista e Impero giapponese. Alla fine della guerra si nascose in Giappone per evitare di subire l'internamento in un campo di prigionia, divenendo poi cittadino nipponico e cambiando il proprio nome. Prese parte all'affondamento della HMS Calypso nel 1940, primo successo italiano in campo navale nel corso del conflitto mondiale. Con l'abbattimento di un bombardiere statunitense il 22 agosto 1945, otto giorni dopo il discorso di resa del Giappone alle potenze alleate della seconda guerra mondiale, a bordo del Comandante Cappellini, sarebbe stata l'ultima persona in assoluto a mettere fuori combattimento un velivolo degli Alleati nella stessa guerra. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:05, 26 January 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29945240 --> == Tech News: 2026-05 == <section begin="technews-2026-W05"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/05|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * Wikimedia Foundation invites comments on [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Product and Technology Advisory Council/Year1 Reflections and Proposed Way Forward 2026 Update|proposed future]] of the [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Product and Technology Advisory Council|Product and Technology Advisory Council]] until 28 February. * All users with registered accounts can now use passkeys for [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Two-factor authentication|two-factor authentication]] (2FA). Passkeys are a simple way to log in without using a second device. They verify the user's identity using a fingerprint, face scan, or a PIN code. To set up a passkey, first set up a regular 2FA method. Currently, to log in with a passkey, users must also use a password. Later this quarter, passwordless login will allow users to log in with a single click and a passkey. Users with advanced rights will also be required to have 2FA enabled. This is part of the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity/Account Security|Account Security]] project. * Unregistered contributors on blocked IPs or blocked IP ranges can now interact on-wiki to appeal a block by creating a temporary account to appeal a block on the user talk page, unless the "prevent this user from editing their own talk page" is enabled. This solves the problem of logged-out users unable to use the default unblock process via user talk page. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T398673] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:20}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:20|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the Two-Factor Authentication (2FA) methods description on the management page has been updated. It is now clearer and easier for users to understand and make use of. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T332385] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * A new AbuseFilter variable, <code>account_type</code>, has been added to provide a reliable way to determine the account type being created in the <code>createaccount</code> and <code>autocreateaccount</code> actions. As part of this change, the variable <code>accountname</code> has been renamed to <code>account_name</code>, and <code>accountname</code> is now deprecated. Edit filter managers should update any filters that use hardcoded account type checks or the deprecated variable. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T414049] * Image thumbnails that are requested in non-standard sizes, and using non-standard methods such as direct requests to <code dir=ltr><nowiki>upload.wikimedia.org/…</nowiki></code> will stop working in the near future. This change is to prevent ongoing external abuse by web-scrapers and bots. Some users with custom CSS/JS, Interface Admins who can fix gadgets and local skins, and Tool-authors, will need to update their code to use standard thumbnail sizes. [[phab:T414805|Details, search-links, and examples of how to fix them, are available in the task]]. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.13|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/05|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W05"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 21:18, 26 January 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29969530 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-06 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Censorship in the Czech Republic]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:cs:Cenzura v Česku]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Censorship in the Czech Republic''' had been highly active until 17 November 1989 and the fall of Communism in the former Czechoslovakia. Czech Republic was ranked as the 13th most free country in the World Press Freedom Index in 2014. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:32, 2 February 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29945240 --> == Tech News: 2026-06 == <section begin="technews-2026-W06"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/06|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * The "{{int:pageinfo-toolboxlink}}" feature, which gives validating information about a page ([{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|action=info}} example]), now automatically includes a table of contents. If there is a local [[{{ns:8}}:Pageinfo-header]] page created by individual users, it can now be removed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T363726] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:21}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:21|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, VisualEditor previously added bold or italic formatting inside link descriptions, making the wikicode complex. This has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T409669] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * There was no XML dump on 20 January. Additionally, from now on, dumps will be generated once per month only. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T414389] * The MediaWiki Interfaces team removed support for all transform endpoints containing a trailing slash from the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/API:REST%20API MediaWiki REST API]. All API users currently calling those endpoints are encouraged to transition to the non-trailing slash versions. If you have questions or encounter any problems, please file a ticket in phabricator to the [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/view/6931/ #MW-Interfaces-Team board]. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.14|MediaWiki]] '''Weekly highlight''' * Users are reminded that the Wikimedia Foundation has shared some guiding questions for the July 2026–June 2027 Annual Plan on [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2026-2027/Product & Technology OKRs|Meta]] and ''[[diffblog:2025/12/10/shaping-wikimedia-foundations-2026-2027-annual-goals-key-questions-for-the-wikimedia-movement/|Diff]]''. These focus on global trends, faster and healthier experimentation, better support for newcomers, strengthening editors and advanced users, improving collaboration across projects, and growing and retaining readership. Feedback and ideas are welcome on the [[m:Talk:Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2026-2027|talk page]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/06|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W06"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 17:44, 2 February 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30000986 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-07 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Petites Heures of Jean de France, Duc de Berry]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Jacquemart de Hesdin 002.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Petites Heures of Jean de France, Duc de Berry''' is an illuminated book of hours commissioned by John, Duke of Berry between 1375 and 1385–90. It is known for its ornate miniature leaves and border decorations. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 03:59, 9 February 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29945240 --> == Tech News: 2026-07 == <section begin="technews-2026-W07"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/07|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * [[File:Maki-gift-15.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]] Logged-in contributors who manage large or complex watchlists can now organise and filter watched pages in ways that improve their workflows with the new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Watchlist labels|Watchlist labels]] feature. By adding custom labels (for example: pages you created, pages being monitored for vandalism, or discussion pages) users can more quickly identify what needs attention, reduce cognitive load, and respond more efficiently. This improves watchlist usability, especially for highly active editors. * A new feature available on [[Special:Contributions|Special:Contributions]] shows [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]] that are likely operated by the same person, and so makes patrolling less time-consuming. Upon checking contributions of a temporary account, users with access to temporary account IP addresses can now see a view of contributions from the related temporary accounts. The feature looks up all the IPs associated with a given temporary account within the data retention period and shows all the contributions of all temporary accounts that have used these IPs. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts#February 2026: Improvements to the patroller tooling|Learn more]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T415674] * When editors preview a wikitext edit, the reminder box that they are only seeing a preview (which is shown at the top), now has a grey/neutral background instead of a yellow/warning background. This makes it easier to distinguish preview notes from actual warnings (for example, edit conflicts or problematic redirect targets), which will now be shown in separate warning or error boxes. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T414742] * The [[m:Special:GlobalWatchlist|Global Watchlist]] lets you view your watchlists from multiple wikis on one page. The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:GlobalWatchlist|extension]] continues to improve — it now properly supports more than one Wikibase site, for example both [[d:|Wikidata]] and [[testwikidata:|testwikidata]]. In addition, issues regarding text direction have been fixed for users who prefer Wikidata or other Wikibase sites in right-to-left (RTL) languages. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T415440][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T415458] * The automatic "magic links" for ISBN, RFC, and PMID numbers have been [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Magic links|deprecated in wikitext since 2021]] due to inflexibility and difficulties with localization. Several wikis have successfully replaced RFC and PMID magic links with equivalent external links, but a template was often required to replace the functionality of the ISBN magic link. There is now a new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Magic words#isbn|built-in parser function]] <code dir=ltr><nowiki>{{#isbn}}</nowiki></code> available to replace the basic functionality of the ISBN magic link. This makes it easier for wikis who wish to migrate off of the deprecated magic link functionality to do so. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T145604] * Two new wikis have been created: ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia}} in [[d:Q35401|Jju]] ([[w:kaj:|<code>w:kaj:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T413283] ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia}} in [[d:Q1186896|Nawat]] ([[w:ppl:|<code>w:ppl:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T413273] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:23}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:23|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * A new global user group has been created: [[{{int:grouppage-local-bot}}|{{int:group-local-bot}}]]. It will be used internally by the software to allow community bots to bypass rate limits that are applied to abusive [[w:en:Web scraping|web scrapers]]. Accounts that are approved as bots on at least one Wikimedia wiki will be automatically added to this group. It will not change what user permissions the bot has. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T415588] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.15|MediaWiki]] '''Meetings and events''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/MediaWiki Users and Developers Conference Spring 2026|MediaWiki Users and Developers Conference, Spring 2026]] will be held March 25–27 in Salt Lake City, USA. This event is organized by and for the third-party MediaWiki community. You can propose sessions and register to attend. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/AZBWVI46SDEB65PGR5J6E4TYOQQEZXM7/] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/07|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W07"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:31, 9 February 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30026671 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-08 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Lysmata grabhami]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Lysmata grabhami1.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''''Lysmata grabhami''''' is a species of saltwater shrimp in the family Hippolytidae. It was first described by Gordon in 1935. It occurs in the tropical and subtropical Atlantic Ocean and is a cleaner shrimp, operating a cleaning station to which fish come to have parasites removed. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 13:45, 16 February 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29945240 --> == Tech News: 2026-08 == <section begin="technews-2026-W08"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/08|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Site Reliability Engineering|SRE Team]] will be performing a cleanup of Wikimedia's [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Etherpad|Etherpad]] instance, the web-based editor for real-time collaborative document editing. All pads will be permanently deleted after 30 April, 2026 – if there are still migration projects in progress at that point the team can revisit the date on a case by case basis. Please create local backups of any content you wish to keep, as deleted data cannot be recovered. This cleanup helps reduce database size and minimize infrastructure footprint. Etherpad will continue to support real-time collaboration, but long-term storage should not be expected. Additional cleanups may occur in the future without prior notice. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T415237] '''Updates for editors''' * The Information Retrieval team will be launching an [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Information Retrieval/Phase 1|Android mobile app experiment]] that tests hybrid search capabilities which can handle both semantic and keyword queries. The improvement of on-platform search will enable readers to find what they’re looking for directly on Wikipedia more easily. The experiment will first be launched on Greek Wikipedia in late February, followed by English, French, and Portuguese in March. [https://diff.wikimedia.org/2026/01/08/semantic-search-making-it-easier-to-find-the-information-readers-want/ Read more] on Diff blog. [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Readers/Information_Retrieval] * The Reader Growth team will run [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Reader Growth/WE3.10.2 Mobile Table of Contents|an experiment]] for mobile web users, that adds a table of contents and automatically expands all article sections, to learn more about navigation issues they face. The test will be available on Arabic, Chinese, English, French, Indonesian, and Vietnamese Wikipedias. * Previously, site notices ([[{{ns:8}}:Sitenotice]] and [[{{ns:8}}:Anonnotice]]) would only render on the desktop site. Now, they will render on all platforms. Users on mobile web will now see these notices and be informed. Site administrators should be prepared to test and fix notices on mobile devices to avoid interference with articles. To opt out, interface admins can add <code dir="ltr">#siteNotice { display: none; }</code> to [[{{ns:8}}:Minerva.css]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138572][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T416644] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:19}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:19|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, an issue on [[Special:RecentChanges|Special:RecentChanges]] has been fixed. Previously, clicking hide in the active filters caused the "view new changes since…" button to disappear, though it should have remained visible. The button now behaves as expected. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T406339] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * New documentation is now available to help editors debug on-site search features. It supports troubleshooting when pages do not appear in results, when ranking seems unexpected, and when you need to inspect what content is being indexed, helping make search behavior easier to understand and analyze. [[mw:Help:CirrusSearch/Debug|Learn more]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T411169] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.16|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/08|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W08"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 19:17, 16 February 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30086330 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-09 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:it:Elefante di Cremona]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:de:Elefant von Cremona]])&#32;([[:eo:Elefanto de Cremona]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Matthew Paris Elephant from Parker MS 16 fol 151v.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> L''''elefante di Cremona''' (Asia, prima del 1228 - Parma, gennaio 1248) fu un esemplare di elefante donato nel 1228 a Federico II di Svevia da parte del sultano ayyubide al-Malik al-Kamil durante gli incontri che porteranno alla Pace di Giaffa. Usato principalmente per le manifestazioni trionfali del sovrano, l'elefante è citato da numerosi cronachisti e testimoni dell'epoca ed è noto per aver trainato il Carroccio dopo la grande vittoria delle armate di Federico II nella battaglia di Cortenuova del 1237. Rimasto a lungo nell'immaginario popolare collettivo, l'animale venne ucciso durante alcuni scontri occorsi nelle settimane immediatamente precedenti alla battaglia di Parma. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 11:43, 23 February 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=30097839 --> == Tech News: 2026-09 == <section begin="technews-2026-W09"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/09|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Edit check/Reference Check|Reference Check]] has been deployed to English Wikipedia, completing its rollout across all Wikipedias. The feature prompts newcomers to add a citation before publishing new content, helping reduce common citation-related reverts and improve verifiability. In A/B testing, the impact was substantial: newcomers shown Reference Check were approximately 2.2 times more likely to include a reference on desktop and about 17.5 times more likely on mobile web. [https://analytics.wikimedia.org/published/reports/editing/reference_check_ab_test_report_final_2025.html] '''Updates for editors''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:InterwikiSorting|InterwikiSorting extension]], which allowed for the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Interwiki sorting order|sorting of interwiki links]], has been undeployed from Wikipedia. As a result, editors who had enabled interwiki link sorting in non-compact mode (full list format) will now see links reordered. The links moving forward will be listed in the alphabetical order of language code. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T253764] * Later this week, people who are editing a page-section using the mobile visual editor, will notice a new "Edit full page" button. When tapped, you will be able to edit the entire article. This helps when the change you want to make is outside the section you initially opened. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T387175][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T409112] * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Reader Experience|The Reader Experience team]] is inviting editors to assess whether dark mode should still be considered "beta" on their wiki, based on their experience of how well it functions on desktop and mobile. If the feature is deemed mature, editors can update the interface messages in <code dir=ltr>MediaWiki:skin-theme-description</code> and <code dir=ltr>MediaWiki:Vector-night-mode-beta-tag</code> to indicate that dark mode is ready and no longer considered beta. * The improved [[mw:Wikimedia_Apps/Team/iOS/Activity_Tab|Activity tab]] which displays user-insights is now available to all users of the Wikipedia iOS app (version 7.9.0 and later). Following earlier A/B testing that showed higher account creation among users with access to the feature, it has been rolled out to 100% of users along with some updates. The Activity tab now shows your edited articles in the timeline, offers editing impact insights like contribution counts and article view trends, and customization options to improve in-app experience for users. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:21}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:21|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, a bug that prevented [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:DiscussionTools|DiscussionTools]] from working on mobile has now been fixed, restoring full functionality. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T415303] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The [[m:Special:GlobalWatchlist|Global Watchlist]] lets you view your watchlists from multiple wikis on one page. The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:GlobalWatchlist|extension]] that makes this possible continues to improve. The latest upgrade is the inclusion of a [[mw:Extension:GlobalWatchlist#hook|new hook]], <code dir=ltr>ext.globalwatchlist.rebuild</code>, which fires after each watchlist rebuild. This allows you to run gadgets and user scripts for the Special page. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T275159] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.17|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/09|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W09"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 19:04, 23 February 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30119102 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-10 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Treaty of the Danish West Indies]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:The Virgin islands of the United States of America; historical and descriptive, commercial and industrial facts, figures, and resources (1918) (14596880870).jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Treaty of the Danish West Indies''' (Danish: Vestindiens traktat), officially the Convention between the United States and Denmark for cession of the Danish West Indies (Danish: Konventionen mellem USA og Danmark), was a 1916 treaty transferring sovereignty of the Danish West Indies from Denmark to the United States in exchange for a sum of US$25,000,000 in gold ($722 million in 2024) and a declaration from the United States that it would "not object to the Danish Government extending their political and economic interests to the whole of Greenland". It is one of the most recent permanent expansions of United States territory. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:43, 2 March 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=30097839 --> == Tech News: 2026-10 == <section begin="technews-2026-W10"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/10|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * Wikipedia 25 [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikipedia 25/Easter egg experiments|Birthday mode]] is now live on Betawi, Breton, Chinese, Czech, Dutch, English, French, Gorontalo, Indonesian, Italian, Luxembourgish, Madurese, Sicilian, Spanish, Thai, and Vietnamese Wikipedias! This limited-time campaign feature celebrates 25 years of Wikipedia with a birthday mascot, Baby Globe. When turned on, Baby Globe is shown on [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikipedia 25/Easter egg experiments/article configuration|~2,500 articles]], waiting to be discovered by readers. Communities can choose to turn Birthday mode on by getting consensus from their community and asking an admin to enable the feature and customize it via [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikipedia 25/Easter egg experiments#Community Configuration Demo|community configuration]] on the local wiki. '''Updates for editors''' * [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/WMDE Technical Wishes/Sub-referencing|Sub-referencing]], a new feature to re-use references with different details has been released to Swedish Wikipedia, Polish Wikipedia and [[:phab:T418209|a couple of other wikis]]. You can [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/WMDE Technical Wishes/Sub-referencing#test|try the feature]] on these projects or on testwiki and [https://en.wikipedia.beta.wmcloud.org/wiki/Sub-referencing betawiki]. Learnings from the first pilot wiki German Wikipedia have been [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/WMDE Technical Wishes/Sub-referencing/Learnings|published in a report]]. Reach out to the Wikimedia Deutschland team if you are [[:m:Talk:WMDE Technical Wishes/Sub-referencing#Pilot wikis|interested in becoming a pilot wiki]]. * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Edit check#Paste check|Paste Check]] will become available at all Wikipedias this week. The feature prompts newcomers who are pasting text they are not likely to have written into VisualEditor to consider whether doing so risks a copyright violation. Paste Check [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Edit check/Tags|tags]] all edits where it is shown for potential review. Local administrators can configure various aspects of the feature via [[{{#special:EditChecks}}]]. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Edit check/Paste Check#A/B Experiment|Research]] across 22 wikis found that Paste Check resulted in an 18% decrease in relative reverted-edits compared to the control group. Translators can [https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special%3ATranslate&group=ext-visualeditor-ve-mw-editcheck&filter=&optional=1&action=translate help to localize] this and related features. * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Reader Experience|Reader Experience team]] will be standardizing the user menu in the top right for all mobile users so that it is closer to the desktop experience. Currently this user menu is only visible to users with Advanced Mobile Controls (AMC) turned on. The only change is that a couple buttons previously in the left-side menu will move to the top right for users who do not have AMC turned on. This change is expected to go out March 9 and seeks to improve the user interface. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T413912] * Starting in the week of March 2, the emails sent out when an email address was added, removed, or changed for an account will switch to a substantially nicer and clearer HTML email from the prior plaintext one. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T410807] * Notifications are currently limited to 2,000 historic entries per user, and extend back to 2013 when the feature was released. This is going to be changed to only store Notifications from the last 5 years, but up to 10,000 of them. This will help with long-term infrastructure health and help to prevent more recent notifications from disappearing too soon. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T383948] * The [[m:Special:GlobalWatchlist|Global Watchlist]] which lets you view your watchlists from multiple wikis on a single page continues to see improvements. The latest update improves label usage experience. The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:GlobalWatchlist|extension]] now allows activating the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Language#Fallback languages|language fallback system]] for Wikidata items without labels in the viewed language, and showing those labels in the user’s preferred Wikidata language if no <code dir=ltr>uselang=</code> URL parameter is provided. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T373686][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T416111] * The Wikipedia Android team has started a beta test of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Information Retrieval/Phase 1|hybrid search]] on Greek Wikipedia. Hybrid search capabilities can handle both semantic and keyword queries enabling readers to find what they’re looking for directly on Wikipedia more easily. * For security reasons, members of certain user groups are [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Mandatory two-factor authentication for users with some extended rights|required to have two-factor authentication]] (2FA) enabled. Currently, 2FA is required to use the group, but not to be a member of it. Given that this model still has some vulnerabilities, the situation will [[phab:T418580|gradually change in March]]. Members of these groups will be unable to disable last 2FA method on their account, and it will be impossible to add users without 2FA to these groups. Users will still be able to add new authentication methods or remove them, as long as at least one method is continuously enabled. In the second half of March, users without 2FA will be removed from these groups. This applies to: CentralNotice administrators, checkusers, interface administrators, suppressors, Wikidata staff, Wikifunctions staff, WMF Office IT and WMF Trust & Safety. Nothing will change for other users. See the linked task for deployment schedule. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T418580] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:27}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:27|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the issue preventing users from creating an instance in [https://www.wikibase.cloud/ Wikibase.cloud] has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T416807] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * To help ensure [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/MediaWiki Product Insights/Responsible Reuse|fair use of infrastructure]], over the next month the Wikimedia Foundation will implement global API rate limits across our APIs. In early March, stricter limits will be applied to unidentified requests from outside Toolforge/WMCS and API requests that are made from web browsers. In April, higher limits will be applied to identified traffic. These limits are intentionally set as high as possible to minimise impact on the community. Bots running in Toolforge/WMCS or with the bot user right on any wiki should not be affected for now. However, all developers are advised to follow updated best practices. For more information, see [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia APIs/Rate limits|Wikimedia APIs/Rate limits]]. * The Wikidata Query Service Linked Data Fragment (LDF) endpoint will be decommissioned in February. This endpoint served limited traffic, which was successfully migrated to other data access methods that were better suited to support existing use cases. The hardware used to support the LDF endpoint will be reallocated to support the ongoing backend migration efforts. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T415696] * The new Parsoid parser [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Parsoid/Parser Unification/Updates|continues to be deployed to additional wikis]], improving platform sustainability and making it easier to introduce new reading and editing features. Parsoid is now the default parser on 488 WMF wikis (268 Wikipedias), now covering more than 10% of all Wikipedia page views. * The process and criteria for [[Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Enterprise#Access|requesting exceptional access]] to the high volume feed of the ''Wikimedia Enterprise'' APIs (at no cost for mission-aligned usecases), [[m:Talk:Wikimedia Enterprise#Exceptional access criteria|have now been published]]. This is to provide more thorough and clearer documentation for users. * [https://techblog.wikimedia.org/ Tech Blog], the blog dedicated to the Wikimedia technical community [https://techblog.wikimedia.org/2026/02/24/a-tech-blog-diff/ will be migrating] to [[diffblog:|Diff]], the community news and event blog. The migration should be complete in April 2026, after which new posts will be accepted for publishing. Readers will be able to access posts – old and new – on the landing page at https://diff.wikimedia.org/techblog. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.18|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/10|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W10"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 17:52, 2 March 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30137798 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-11 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Steens Mountain]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Steens Mountain near Andrews, Oregon.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Steens Mountain''' is a large fault-block mountain in the northwest United States, located in Harney County, Oregon. Stretching some fifty miles (80 km) north to south, on its east side it rises from the Alvord Desert at an elevation of about 4,200 feet (1,280 m) to 9,738 feet (2,968 m) at the summit. Steens Mountain is not part of a mountain range but is properly a single mountain, the largest of Oregon's fault-block mountains. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 07:30, 9 March 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=30097839 --> == Tech News: 2026-11 == <section begin="technews-2026-W11"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/11|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/Server switch|All wikis will be read-only]] for a few minutes on Wednesday, 25 March 2026 at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1774450800 15:00 UTC]. This is for the datacenter server switchover backup tests, [[wikitech:Deployments/Yearly calendar|which happen twice a year]]. During the switchover, all Wikimedia website traffic is shifted from one primary data center to the backup data center to test availability and prevent service disruption even in emergencies. * Last week, all wikis had 2 hours of read-only time, and extended unavailability for user-scripts and gadgets. This was due to a security incident which has since been resolved. Work is ongoing to prevent re-occurrences. For current information please see the [[m:Steward's noticeboard#Statement on Meta about today's user script security incident|post on the Stewards' noticeboard]] ([[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation/Product and Technology/Product Safety and Integrity/March 2026 User Script Incident|translations]]). '''Updates for editors''' * Users facing multiple blocks on mobile will now see the reasons for each block separately, instead of a generic message. This helps them understand why they are blocked and what steps they can take to resolve the issue. For example, users affected for using common VPNs (such as [[Special:MyLanguage/Apple iCloud Private Relay|iCloud Private Relay]]) will receive clearer guidance on what they need to do to start editing again. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T357118] * Later this week, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/VisualEditor/Suggestion Mode|Suggestion Mode]] will become available as a beta feature within the visual editor at all Wikipedias. This feature proactively suggests various types of actions that people can consider taking to improve Wikipedia articles, and learn about related guidelines. The feature is locally configurable, and can also be locally expanded with custom Suggestions. Current settings can be seen at [[Special:EditChecks]] and there are [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Suggestion mode#For administrators %E2%80%93 local customization|instructions for how administrators can customize]] the links to point to local guidelines. The feature is connected to [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Edit check|Edit check]] which suggests improvements while someone is writing new content. In the future, the Editing team plans to evaluate the feature's impact with newcomers through a controlled experiment. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T404600] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:23}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:23|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the issue where the cursor became misaligned during the use of CodeMirror’s syntax highlighting, which makes wikitext and code easier to read, has now been fixed. This problem specifically affected users who defined a font rule in a custom stylesheet while creating a new topic with DiscussionTools. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T418793] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * API rate limiting update: To help ensure [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/MediaWiki Product Insights/Responsible Reuse|fair use of infrastructure]], global API rate limits will be applied this week to requests without a compliant User-Agent that originate from outside Toolforge/WMCS and to unauthenticated requests made from web browsers. Higher limits will be applied to identified traffic in April. Bots running in Toolforge/WMCS or with the bot user right on any wiki should not be affected for now. However, all developers are advised to follow updated best practices. For more information, see [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia APIs/Rate limits|Wikimedia APIs/Rate limits]]. * The new GraphQL API has been released. The API was developed as a flexible alternative to select features of the Wikidata Query Service (WDQS), to improve developer experience and foster adaptability, and efficient data access. Try it out and [[d:Wikidata:Wikibase GraphQL#Feedback and development|give feedback]]. You can also [https://greatquestion.co/wikimediadeutschland/GraphQLAPI/apply sign up for usability tests]. * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Product and Technology Advisory Council/Unsupported Tools Working Group|PTAC Unsupported Tools Working Group]] continued improvements to [[commons:Special:MyLanguage/Commons:Video2commons#|Video2Commons]] in February, with fixes addressing authentication errors, large-file handling, task queue visibility, and clearer upload behavior. Work is still ongoing in some areas, including changes related to deprecated server-side uploads. Read [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Product and Technology Advisory Council/Unsupported Tools Working Group#February 2026|this update]] to learn more. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.19|MediaWiki]] '''In depth''' * The Article Guidance team invites experienced Wikipedia editors from selected [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Article guidance/Pilot wikis and collaborators#Collaborators|pilot wikis]] and interested contributors from other Wikipedias to fill out this questionnaire which is available in [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfmLeVWnxmsCbPoI_UF2jyRcn73WRGWCVPHzerXb4Cz97X_Ag/viewform English], [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd6rzr4XXQw8r4024fE3geTPFe13M_6w7Mitj-YJi0sOlWTAw/viewform?usp=header Arabic], [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdok3-RfB18lcugYTUMGkpwmqG_8p760Wv4dCXitOXOszjUDw/viewform?usp=header Bengali], [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfjTfYp4jEo0akA4B1e-Nfg3QZPCudUjhJzHzzDi6AHyAaMGA/viewform?usp=header Japanese], [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScteVoI29Aue4xc72dekk-6RYtvmMgQxzMI900UOawrFrSTWg/viewform?usp=header Portuguese], [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSetdxnYwL3ub2vqA7awCg5hJZPMIYcDPaiTe12rY9h0GYnVlw/viewform?usp=header Persian], and [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScNvfJF-Ot-4pzA4qAN771_0QDJ4Li19YcUsaTgSKW8Nc7U_Q/viewform?usp=header Turkish]. Your answers will help the team customize guidance for less experienced editors and help them learn community policies and practices while creating an article. Learn more [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Article guidance|on the project page]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/11|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W11"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 18:53, 9 March 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30213008 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-12 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Casque (anatomy)]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Great hornbill (Buceros bicornis) Photograph by Shantanu Kuveskar.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> A '''casque''' is an anatomical feature found in some species of birds, reptiles, and amphibians. In birds, it is an enlargement of the bones of the upper mandible or the skull, either on the front of the face, the top of the head, or both. The casque has been hypothesized to serve as a visual cue to a bird's sex, state of maturity, or social status; as reinforcement to the beak's structure; or as a resonance chamber, enhancing calls. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:43, 16 March 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=30245038 --> == Tech News: 2026-12 == <section begin="technews-2026-W12"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/12|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror|{{int:codemirror-beta-feature-title}}]] beta feature, also known as [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CodeMirror|CodeMirror 6]], has been used for wikitext syntax highlighting since November 2024. It will be promoted out of beta by May 2026 in order to bring improvements and new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror#Features|features]] to all editors who use the standard syntax highlighter. If you have any questions or concerns about promoting the feature out of beta, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help talk:Extension:CodeMirror|please share]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T259059] * Some changes to local user groups are performed by stewards on Meta-Wiki and logged there only. Now, interwiki rights changes will be logged both on Meta-Wiki and the wiki of the target user to make it easier to access a full record of user's rights changes on a local wiki. Past log entries for such changes will be backfilled in the coming weeks. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T6055] * On wikis using [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Flagged Revisions|Flagged Revisions]], the number of pending changes shown on [[{{#Special:PendingChanges}}]] previously counted pages which were no longer pending review, because they have been removed from the system without being reviewed, e.g. due to being deleted, moved to a different namespace, or due to wiki configuration changes. The count will be correct now. On some wikis the number shown will be much smaller than before. There should be no change to the list of pages itself. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T413016] * Wikifunctions composition language has been rewritten, resulting in a new version of the language. This change aims to increase service stability by reducing the orchestrator's memory consumption. This rewrite also enables substantial latency reduction, code simplification, and better abstractions, which will open the door to later feature additions. Read more about [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-03-11|the changes]]. * Users can now sort search results alphabetically by page title. The update gives an additional option to finding pages more easily and quickly. Previously, results could be sorted by Edit date, Creation date, or Relevance. To use the new option, open 'Advanced Search' on the search results page and select 'Alphabetically' under 'Sorting Order'. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T403775] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:28}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:28|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the bug that prevented UploadWizard on Wikimedia Commons from importing files from Flickr has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T419263] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * A new special page, [[{{#special:LintTemplateErrors}}]], has been created to list transcluded pages that are flagged as containing lint errors to help users discover them easily. The list is sorted by the number of transclusions with errors. For example: [[{{#special:LintTemplateErrors}}/night-mode-unaware-background-color]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T170874] * Users of the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror|{{int:codemirror-beta-feature-title}}]] beta feature have been using [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CodeMirror|CodeMirror]] instead of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CodeEditor|CodeEditor]] for syntax highlighting when editing JavaScript, CSS, JSON, Vue and Lua content pages, for some time now. Along with promoting CodeMirror 6 out of beta, the plan is to replace CodeEditor as the standard editor for these content models by May 2026. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help talk:Extension:CodeMirror|Feedback or concerns are welcome]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T419332] * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CodeMirror|CodeMirror]] JavaScript modules will soon be upgraded to CodeMirror 6. Leading up to the upgrade, loading the <code dir=ltr>ext.CodeMirror</code> or <code dir=ltr>ext.CodeMirror.lib</code> modules from gadgets and user scripts was deprecated in July 2025. The use of the <code dir=ltr>ext.CodeMirror.switch</code> hook was also deprecated in March 2025. Contributors can now make their scripts or gadgets compatible with CodeMirror 6. See the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CodeMirror#Gadgets and user scripts|migration guide]] for more information. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T373720] * The MediaWiki Interfaces team is expanding coverage of REST API module definitions to include [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/API:REST API/Extensions|extension APIs]]. REST API modules are groups of related endpoints that can be independently managed and versioned. Modules now exist for [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T414470 GrowthExperiments] and [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T419053 Wikifunctions] APIs. As we migrate extension APIs to this structure, documentation will move out of the main MediaWiki OpenAPI spec and REST Sandbox view, and will instead be accessible via module-specific options in the dropdown on the [https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:RestSandbox REST Sandbox] (i.e., [[{{#Special:RestSandbox}}]], available on all wiki projects). * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Scribunto|Scribunto]] extension provides different pieces of information about the wiki where the module is being used via the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Scribunto/Lua reference manual|mw.site]] library. Starting last week, the library also provides a [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Scribunto/Lua reference manual#mw.site.wikiId|way]] of accessing the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Wiki ID|wiki ID]] that can be used to facilitate cross-wiki module maintenance. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T146616] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.20|MediaWiki]] '''In depth''' * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Coolest Tool Award|2026 Coolest Tool Award]] celebrating outstanding community tools, is now open for nominations! Nominate your favorite tool using the [https://wikimediafoundation.limesurvey.net/435684?lang=en nomination survey] form by 23 March 2026. For more information on privacy and data handling, please see the [[foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Legal:Coolest_Tool_Award_2026_Survey_Privacy_Statement|survey privacy statement]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/12|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W12"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 19:36, 16 March 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30260505 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-13 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Etruscan sculpture]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Frontone A del grande tempio di luni con concilio degli dei, 175-150 ac. ca. 01.JPG|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Etruscan sculpture''' was one of the most important artistic expressions of the Etruscan people, who inhabited the regions of Northern Italy and Central Italy between about the 9th century BC and the 1st century BC. Etruscan art was largely a derivation of Greek art, although developed with many characteristics of its own. Given the almost total lack of Etruscan written documents, a problem compounded by the paucity of information on their language—still largely undeciphered—it is in their art that the keys to the reconstruction of their history are to be found, although Greek and Roman chronicles are also of great help. Like its culture in general, Etruscan sculpture has many obscure aspects for scholars, being the subject of controversy and forcing them to propose their interpretations always tentatively, but the consensus is that it was part of the most important and original legacy of Italian art and even contributed significantly to the initial formation of the artistic traditions of ancient Rome. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:07, 23 March 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=30245038 --> == Tech News: 2026-13 == <section begin="technews-2026-W13"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/13|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * Wikimedia site users can now log in without a password using passkeys. This is a secure method supported by fingerprint, facial recognition, or PIN. With this change, all users who opt for passwordless login will find it easier, faster, and more secure to log in to their accounts using any device. The new passkey login option currently appears as an autofill suggestion in the username field. An additional [[phab:T417120|"Log in with passkey" button]] will soon be available for users who have already registered a passkey. This update will improve security and user experience. The [[c:File:Passwordless_login_screencast.webm|screen recording]] demonstrates the passwordless login process step by step. * [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/Server switch|All wikis will be read-only]] for a few minutes on Wednesday, 25 March 2026 at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1774450800 15:00 UTC]. This is for the datacenter server switchover backup tests, [[wikitech:Deployments/Yearly calendar|which happen twice a year]]. During the switchover, all Wikimedia website traffic is shifted from one primary data center to the backup data center to test availability and prevent service disruption even in emergencies. '''Updates for editors''' * Wikimedia site users can now export their notifications older than 5 years using a [[toolforge:echo-chamber|new Toolforge tool]]. This will ensure that users retain their important notifications and avoid them being lost based on the planned change to delete notifications older than 5 years, as previously announced. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T383948] * Wikipedia editors in Indonesian, Thai, Turkish, and Simple English now have access to Special:PersonalDashboard. This is an [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Moderator Tools/Dashboard|early version of an experience]] that introduces newer editors to patrolling workflows, making it easier for them to move from making edits to participating in more advanced moderation work on their project. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T402647] * The [[Special:Block]] now has two minor interface changes. Administrators can now easily perform indefinite blocks through a dedicated radio button in the expiry section. Also, choosing an indefinite expiry provides a different set of common reasons to select from, which can be changed at: [[MediaWiki:Ipbreason-indef-dropdown]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T401823] * Mobile editors [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Contributors/Account Creation Experiments#Logged-out|at several wikis]] can now see an improved logged-out edit warning, thanks to the recent updates from the Growth team. These changes released last week are part of ongoing efforts and tests to enhance [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Contributors/Account Creation Experiments|account creation experience on mobile]] and then increase participation. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T408484] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:36}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:36|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the bug that prevented mobile web users from seeing the block information when affected by multiple blocks has been fixed. They can now see messages of all the blocks currently affecting them when they access Wikipedia. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Images built using Toolforge will soon get the upgraded buildpacks version, bringing support for newer language versions and other upstream improvements and fixes. If you use Toolforge Build Service, review the recent [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/cloud-announce@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/EMYTA32EV2V5SQ2JIEOD2CL66YFIZEKV/ cloud-announce email] and update your build configuration as necessary to ensure your tools are compatible. [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Toolforge/Building_container_images&oldid=2392097#Buildpack_environment_upgrade_process][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T380127] * The [https://api.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page API Portal] documentation wiki will shut down in June 2026. API keys created on the API Portal will continue to work normally. api.wikimedia.org endpoints will be deprecated gradually starting in July 2026. Documentation on the API Portal is moving to [[mw:Wikimedia APIs|mediawiki.org]]. Learn more on the [[wikitech:API Portal/Deprecation|project page]]. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.21|MediaWiki]] '''In depth''' * [[m:Special:MyLanguage/WMDE Technical Wishes|WMDE Technical Wishes]] is considering improvements to [[m:WMDE Technical Wishes/References/VisualEditor automatic reference names|automatically generated reference names in VisualEditor]]. Please check out the [[m:WMDE Technical Wishes/References/VisualEditor automatic reference names#Proposed solutions|proposed solutions]] and participate in the [[m:Talk:WMDE Technical Wishes/References/VisualEditor automatic reference names#Request for comment|request for comment]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/13|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W13"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 16:51, 23 March 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30268305 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-14 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Pulse (nightclub)]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Orlando FL Pulse Nightclub01.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Pulse''' was a gay bar, dance club, and nightclub in Orlando, Florida, founded in 2004 by Barbara Poma and Ron Legler. On June 12, 2016, the club was the scene of the second-deadliest mass shooting by a single gunman in U.S. history, and the second-deadliest terrorist attack on U.S. soil since the September 11 attacks. Forty-nine people were killed and 58 other people were injured. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=30306870 --> == Tech News: 2026-14 == <section begin="technews-2026-W14"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/14|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The Beta version of [[abstract:|Abstract Wikipedia]] a new Wikimedia project which is language-independent, was launched last week. The project allows communities to build Wikipedia articles in their native language, which can be readily accessed by other users in their own languages. The wiki is powered by instructions from Wikifunctions and also based on structured content from Wikidata. [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-03-26|Read more]]. '''Updates for editors''' * The Growth team is running an A/B test to evaluate a clearer, more user-friendly message that promotes account creation on wikis. Currently when logged-out mobile users begin editing, they see a jarring warning message that can feel abrupt and discouraging. This also presents temporary account editing as the default rather than encouraging account creation. The test is running on ten Wikipedias, including Arabic, French, Spanish and German. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Contributors/Account Creation Experiments#2. Improve logged-out warning message (T415160)|Read more]]. * The Wikimedia Apps team is inviting feedback on [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Future of Editing on the Mobile Apps|how editing should work on the Wikipedia mobile apps]]. The discussion focuses on improving how users access editing tools when they tap "Edit". This is part of a broader effort to convert readers who develop an interest in editing, to access a more user-friendly pathway to start contributing. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:45}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:45|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, an issue where citation fetching from the large newspaper archive [https://www.newspapers.com Newspapers.com] was no longer working, due to a block in [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Citoid|Citoid]] requests, has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T419903] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.22|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/14|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W14"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 19:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30329462 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-15 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Tofana di Rozes]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Tofana di Rozes 04.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Tofana di Rozes''' (3,225 metres (10,581 ft)) is a mountain of the Dolomites in the Province of Belluno, Veneto, Italy. Located west of the resort of Cortina d'Ampezzo, the mountain's giant three-edged pyramid shape and its vertical south face, above the Falzarego Pass, makes it the most popular peak in the Tofane group, and one of the most popular in the Dolomites. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 12:27, 6 April 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=30306870 --> == Tech News: 2026-15 == <section begin="technews-2026-W15"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/15|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents extension]] now includes a new group goal-setting feature, enabling organizers to set and track event goals such as the number of articles created and participating contributors in real time. Similarly, participants can work toward shared targets and see their collective impact as the event unfolds. The feature is now available on all Wikimedia wikis. Learn more in [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CampaignEvents/Registration/Collaborative contributions#Goal setting|the documentation]]. * [[File:Maki-gift-15.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]] The new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Watchlist labels|watchlist labels]] feature (announced in [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/07|Tech News 2026-07]]) is now available via VisualEditor, the source editor, and the 'watchstar' (or watch link, for skins that don't have a star icon). Previously it was only possible to assign labels via [[Special:EditWatchlist|EditWatchlist]]. In all three places it is a new field following the expiry field. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:23}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:23|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the issue where talk pages on mobile with Parsoid are unusable after empty section headers, has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T419171] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/WMDE Technical Wishes/Sub-referencing|sub-referencing feature]], which lets editors add details to an existing reference without duplicating it, will be gradually rolled out to [[phab:T414094|more wikis]] later this year. Wikis using the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reference Tooltips|Reference Tooltips]] gadget are encouraged to update their version (typically at [[m:MediaWiki:Gadget-ReferenceTooltips.js|MediaWiki:Gadget-ReferenceTooltips.js]] as shown [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1344408362 here]) to ensure compatibility. Other reference-related gadgets may also be affected. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T416304] * All Wikinews editions will be closed and switched to read-only mode on 4 May 2026. Content will remain accessible, but no new edits or articles can be added. This closure was approved by the Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia Foundation following extended discussions. [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Board noticeboard#Board of Trustees Approves Closure of Wikinews|Read more]]. * The [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/API:Action API|Action API]] has had several formats for requested output. One of them, <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>format=php</nowiki></code></bdi>, is being removed soon. Please ensure your scripts or bots use the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/API:Data formats#Output|JSON format]]. This removal should affect very few scripts and bots. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T118538] * The [[Special:NamespaceInfo|Special:NamespaceInfo]] page now includes namespace aliases. For example "WP" for the "Project" ("Wikipedia") namespace on the German Wikipedia. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T381455] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.23|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/15|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W15"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 16:19, 6 April 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30362761 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-16 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Very-low-calorie diet]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Green smoothie (8222465502).jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> A '''very-low-calorie diet''' (VLCD), also known as semistarvation diet and crash diet, is a type of diet with very or extremely low daily food energy consumption. VLCDs are defined as a diet of 800 kilocalories (3,300 kJ) per day or less. Modern medically supervised VLCDs use total meal replacements, with regulated formulations in Europe and Canada which contain the recommended daily requirements for vitamins, minerals, trace elements, fatty acids, protein and electrolyte balance. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:56, 13 April 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=30306870 --> == Tech News: 2026-16 == <section begin="technews-2026-W16"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/16|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * Experienced editors are invited to [https://b24e11a4f1.catalyst.wmcloud.org/wiki/Main_Page test] the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Article guidance|Article guidance]] feature, designed to help less-experienced editors create well-structured, policy-compliant Wikipedia articles. Testing instructions are [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Article guidance/Test feature guide|available]]. Also, after reviewing [https://b24e11a4f1.catalyst.wmcloud.org/wiki/Category:Pages_using_article_guidance the outlines], please provide feedback on the [[mw:Talk:Article guidance|project talk page]]. Based on your input, the feature will be refined and transferred to the pilot Wikipedias to translate and adapt. Check out [[c:File:Article Guidance workflow demo - April 2026.webm|the video]] explaining the feature. '''Updates for editors''' * On most wikis, all autoconfirmed users can now use [[Special:ChangeContentModel|Special:ChangeContentModel]] page to [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:ChangeContentModel|create new pages with custom content models]], such as mass message lists, making custom page formats more accessible. Check [[Special:ListGroupRights|Special:ListGroupRights]] for the status of your wiki. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T248294] * The Growth team has launched an [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Contributors/Account_Creation_Experiments|account creation experiment]] to evaluate whether adding an account creation button to the mobile web header increases new account registrations and encourages more mobile users to contribute to the wikis. The experiment is currently live on Hindi, Indonesian, Bengali, Thai, and Hebrew Wikipedia, and targets 10% of logged-out mobile web users. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:30}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:30|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, an issue where VisualEditor could get stuck loading on Windows devices with animations turned off, has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T382856] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Starting later this week, {{int:group-abusefilter}} who have the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror|{{int:codemirror-beta-feature-title}}]] beta feature enabled will have [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CodeMirror|CodeMirror]] instead of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CodeEditor|CodeEditor]] as the editor at [[Special:AbuseFilter|Special:AbuseFilter]]. This is part of the broader effort to make the user experience more consistent across all editors. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T399673][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T419332] * Tools and bots that access the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Notifications/API|Notifications API]] (<bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>action=query&meta=notifications</nowiki></code></bdi>) will need to update their OAuth or BotPassword grants to also include access to private notifications. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T421991] * Due to a library upgrade, listings on category pages may be displayed out of order starting on Monday, 20th April. A migration script will be run to correct this, and will take hours to days depending on the size of the wiki (up to a week for English Wikipedia). [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T422544] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.24|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/16|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W16"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 15:19, 13 April 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30380527 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-17 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Chromodoris willani]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Babosa de mar (Chromodoris willani), Anilao, Filipinas, 2023-08-24, DD 34.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''''Chromodoris willani''''', commonly known as Willan's chromodoris, is a species of sea slug, a dorid nudibranch, a shell-less marine gastropod mollusk in the family Chromodorididae. The species is named for the renowned nudibranch taxonomist Dr. Richard C. Willan. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:34, 20 April 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=30430366 --> == Tech News: 2026-17 == <section begin="technews-2026-W17"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/17|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * After two years of development, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror|{{int:codemirror-beta-feature-title}}]], also known as [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CodeMirror|CodeMirror 6]], is to be promoted out of beta on Tuesday, April 21. It brings better code and wikitext readability, reduction in typing errors, and other [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror|benefits]] to all users of the standard syntax highlighter. A huge thank you to volunteer [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/Bhsd/ Bhsd] who developed many of the new features, including [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror#Code folding|code folding]], [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror#Autocompletion|autocompletion]], and [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror#Linting|linting]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T259059] * A major update to the Wikipedia app for iOS is now rolling out, redesigning the interface to align with Apple's latest "Liquid Glass" visual design. [https://apps.apple.com/us/app/wikipedia/id324715238 Download the latest version] and explore the update. '''Updates for editors''' * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Reader Experience/WE3.3.4 Reading lists|Reading lists]] is a feature which allows readers to save articles to a list for reading later. This feature is now in beta on Arabic, French, Indonesian, Vietnamese, and Chinese Wikipedias and by default for all new accounts on all Wikipedias. * An experiment which explores extending [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Reader Growth/Mobile page previews|Page Previews to mobile web]] will be launched in the week of April 20 on Arabic, English, French, Italian, Polish, and Vietnamese Wikipedias. Page Previews are pop-ups that display a thumbnail, lead paragraph, and a link to open the full article of a blue link, thereby improving content discovery. The feature is already available on desktop and in the apps. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/List of experiments in Product and Technology#Template|Read more about this experiment and others]]. * On several wikis, logged-in editors who haven't [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Email confirmation|confirmed their email addresses]] can now see a banner encouraging them to do so. Having the email address confirmed allows a user to restore access to the account if they lose it. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity/Account Security#Encouraging users to confirm their email addresses|Learn more]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T421366] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:15}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:15|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, an issue where editing very large wiki pages in the 2017 wikitext editor caused slow loading, preview and scrolling lag, and performance issues when selecting, cutting, or pasting content, has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184857] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * As part of the promotion of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror|CodeMirror]] from a beta feature, all users will use [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CodeMirror|CodeMirror]] instead of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CodeEditor|CodeEditor]] for syntax highlighting when editing JavaScript, CSS, JSON, Vue and Lua content pages. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T419332] * The <code>mirrors.wikimedia.org</code> service for Debian and Ubuntu users will sunset and stop working on May 15. The resources for the service will be replaced with new and better options. Some users may need to switch to a different server which should take about a minute. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/LJYRIS4WB66HIRCAO4GIDTXCMDVZRBMA/ You can read more]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T416707] * The <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>image</nowiki></code></bdi> and <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>oldimage</nowiki></code></bdi> table will be removed from [[wikitech:Help:Wiki Replicas|wikireplicas]]. If your tools or queries access <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>image</nowiki></code></bdi> or <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>oldimage</nowiki></code></bdi> directly, please update them to use the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>file</nowiki></code></bdi> and <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>filerevision</nowiki></code></bdi> table before 28 May. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T28741] * Following the recent implementation of global API rate limits on unidentified traffic, the Wikimedia Foundation will continue efforts to ensure [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/MediaWiki Product Insights/Responsible Reuse|fair use of infrastructure]] by applying global limits to identified API traffic beginning the last week of April. These limits are intentionally set as high as possible to minimise impact on the community. Bots running in Toolforge/WMCS or with the bot user right on any wiki should not be affected for now. However, all developers are advised to follow updated best practices. For more information, see [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia APIs/Rate limits|Wikimedia APIs/Rate limits]] and [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia APIs/Rate limits/FAQ|Frequently Asked Questions]]. * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Attribution API|Attribution API]] is now available as a [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia APIs/Stability policy|beta]]. The API fetches information for crediting Wikimedia articles and media files wherever they are used. Reference documentation is available through the REST Sandbox special page available on all Wikimedia wikis (such as the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?api=attribution.v0-beta&title=Special%3ARestSandbox REST sandbox on English Wikipedia]). Share your feedback on the [[mw:Talk:Attribution API|project talk page]]. * There is no new MediaWiki version this week. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/17|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W17"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 15:01, 20 April 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30432763 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-18 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Platypus venom]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Platypus spur.JPG|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The platypus is one of the few living mammals to produce venom. The venom is made in venom glands that are connected to hollow spurs on their hind legs; it is primarily made during the mating season.[1] While the venom's effects are described as extremely painful, it is not lethal to humans. Many archaic mammal groups possess similar tarsal spurs, so it is thought that, rather than having developed this characteristic uniquely, the platypus simply inherited this characteristic from its ancestors. Rather than being a unique outlier, the platypus is the last demonstration of what was once a common mammalian characteristic, and it can be used as a model for non-therian mammals and their venom delivery and properties. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:04, 27 April 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=30449041 --> == Tech News: 2026-18 == <section begin="technews-2026-W18"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/18|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * There is a change in how new users are autoconfirmed that will improve anti-vandalism protection. Currently, users who have had an account for a few days and made a few edits are automatically added to the [[{{int:grouppage-autoconfirmed/{{CONTENTLANGUAGE}}}}|{{int:group-autoconfirmed}}]] group. This configuration tends to be exploited by some vandals, who create accounts and start to use them only after some time. To mitigate this, the configuration will be updated next week so that – for the purpose of becoming autoconfirmed – the account age will be counted from their first edit, instead of registration date. The numeric value of the age threshold will remain the same. This change will be deployed only to wikis which require at least one edit as part of the autoconfirmation conditions. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T418484] * All Wikipedia users with new accounts and those who activated the "automatically enable most beta features" option in their preference can now use the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Reader Experience/WE3.3.4 Reading lists|reading lists]] beta feature to save articles for later reading. This helps organize reading interests in one place for convenient access. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:30}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:30|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the issue where infobox images have huge padding in Firefox, has been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T423676] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * As a reminder, the global API rate limits will be applied this week to identified API traffic. This is to help ensure [[mw:MediaWiki Product Insights/Responsible Reuse|fair use of infrastructure]]. Bots running in Toolforge/WMCS or with the bot user right on any wiki should not be affected for now. However, all developers are advised to follow updated best practices. For more information, including the actual rate limits, see [[mw:Wikimedia APIs/Rate limits|Wikimedia APIs/Rate limits]] and [[mw:Wikimedia APIs/Rate limits/FAQ|Frequently Asked Questions]]. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.26|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/18|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W18"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 18:06, 27 April 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30458046 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-19 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Kuwait National Assembly Building]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Kuwait City Arabian Gulf Street 10.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Kuwait National Assembly Building''' is the building that housed the National Assembly of Kuwait. Designed by Danish architect Jørn Utzon in 1972, it was completed in 1982 under the direction of his son Jan. The structural design was by Max Walt. The building was seriously damaged in February 1991 when retreating Iraqi troops set it on fire but has since been restored. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 12:16, 4 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=30464799 --> == Tech News: 2026-19 == <section begin="technews-2026-W19"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/19|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Article guidance|Article guidance]] team invites experienced editors of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Article guidance/Pilot wikis and collaborators|pilot Wikipedias]]—Arabic, Bangla, Japanese, Portuguese, Persian, Turkish, Simple English, Spanish, and French—to help translate and adapt [https://b24e11a4f1.catalyst.wmcloud.org/wiki/Category:Pages_using_article_guidance sample outlines]. These outlines will guide editors in creating clear, well-structured, and policy-compliant articles when using [https://b24e11a4f1.catalyst.wmcloud.org/wiki/Special:NewArticle the feature] once it is launched in May 2026. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Article guidance#Adapting a sample outline in a Wikipedia|Simple instructions]] on how to translate and adapt the outlines are available. '''Updates for editors''' * The [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Product and Technology Advisory Council|Product and Technology Advisory Council]] has published [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Product and Technology Advisory Council/May 2026 draft PTAC recommendation for feedback|draft recommendations]] on a model that affiliates can follow when contributing to the technical space. Community members are invited to provide feedback on the recommendation until May 8th [[:m:Talk:Product and Technology Advisory Council/May 2026 draft PTAC recommendation for feedback|on the talk page]]. * The number of available thumbnail size preferences in MediaWiki is being reduced to three standardized options—Small (180px), Regular (250px), and Large (400px), as part of ongoing efforts to improve performance and reduce strain on thumbnail services. As a result, existing preferences will be mapped to the nearest new size (for example, smaller selections like 120px or 150px will render at 180px, while larger ones like 300px or 360px will render at 400px). The preferences interface will soon be updated to reflect these changes, and users who wish to opt out or provide feedback can do so. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T424909] * From now on, even when a permission expires automatically, users will receive an Echo notification similar to the standard notification for permission changes. There is a difference between this and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Global reminder bot|Global reminder bot]] in that the latter reminds users a week ''before'' the rights are due to expire, so that they can renew the rights. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:32}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:32|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the problem where the ULS language selector in [[m:Special:Translate|Special:Translate]] would scroll vertically when it shouldn't, has been resolved. Previously, when users opened the "Translate to English" dropdown and typed certain inputs, the dialog would scroll vertically by a few pixels even when there was enough space to display all results. The dropdown no longer shifts unnecessarily when filtering languages. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T358864] * The [[m:Special:GlobalWatchlist|Global Watchlist]], which lets you view your watchlists from multiple wikis on a single page, continues to improve. For example, watchlists for Wikibase sites such as [[:d:|Wikidata]] now support [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:EntitySchema|EntitySchema]] elements for better tracking. The Live Updates mode now refreshes the special page every 60 seconds to comply with the updated [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia APIs/Rate limits|global API rate limits]] for improved real-time responsiveness. Additionally, a directionality bug that displayed links as "changes 3" instead of "3 changes" in mixed-direction lists has been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T415450][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T424422][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T418091] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The second phase of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia APIs/Rate limits|global API rate limits]] has been rolled out to reduce the [[diffblog:2026/03/26/quo-vadis-crawlers-progress-and-whats-next-on-safeguarding-our-infrastructure/|impact of AI crawlers]] and ensure fair, sustainable access to Wikimedia resources, prioritising human and mission-aligned traffic. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia APIs/Rate limits#Limits|Limits]] have been shifted from per-hour to per-minute, producing smoother traffic patterns and more predictable API load. Community users are not expected to be affected, and no action is required. Early indications show some User-Agent-based requestors are adjusting behaviour, and around 64% of automated API traffic has been identified. Monitoring continues, and Wikimedia Enterprise remains available for commercial support. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.27|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/19|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W19"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 20:44, 4 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30498077 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-20 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Macau National Security Law]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Lei relative à defesa da segurança do Estado projecto.JPG|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Macau National Security Law''' is a law in Macau which prohibits and punishes acts of treason, secession, and subversion against the Central government, as well as preparative acts leading to any of the three acts. Taken into effect on 3 March 2009, the purpose of the law is to fulfil Article 23 of the Macau Basic Law, the de facto constitution of the Macau Special Administration Region. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:53, 11 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=30513945 --> == Tech News: 2026-20 == <section begin="technews-2026-W20"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/20|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * Community Tech has published [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist/How to write a good wish|new guidance]] explaining how wishes on Community Wishlist are triaged and prioritized. The documentation is intended to help contributors write stronger proposals by clarifying the factors that influence prioritization decisions. Beyond vote counts, the guidance highlights considerations such as potential impact on the community when determining which wishes move forward. '''Updates for editors''' * The Reader Growth team is launching an experiment to test a new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Reader_Growth/Share_Card|Share Card feature]] that allows readers to create visually engaging cards from Wikipedia articles or selected article sections and share them online, with each card linking back to the original article to help expand readership and article discovery. The mobile-only A/B test will be available to a portion of readers on Arabic, Chinese, French, Vietnamese, and English Wikipedia to better understand reading and sharing habits, and is scheduled to begin the week of May 18 and run for four weeks. * The Android and iOS Wikipedia apps recently released the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Apps/Team/25th_Birthday_Reading_Challenge|25-day reading challenge]] into Beta, as part of efforts to drive reader engagement by encouraging users to complete reading milestones. To track their reading streak during the challenge, App users can add a widget featuring Baby Globe to their home screen. The challenge officially begins May 11. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:17}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:17|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, an issue where the global preference for enabling syntax highlighting in wikitext could unexpectedly disable itself after being turned on, has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T425286] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The ResourceLoader module <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>mediawiki.ui.input</nowiki></code></bdi>, deprecated since [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/39|September 2023]], will be removed this week. There is a [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Codex/Migrating_from_MediaWiki_UI|guide for migrating from MediaWiki UI to Codex]] for any tools that use it. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T420125] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.47/wmf.2|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/20|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W20"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 19:21, 11 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30524429 --> == Tech News: 2026-21 == <section begin="technews-2026-W21"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/21|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The Abstract Wikipedia team has identified five potential pilot wikis to assess their interest in adopting abstract articles on their wikis. The pilots are Malayalam, Bengali, Dagbani, Arabic, and Indonesian Wikipedia. The feedback period will be open until May 22. If your community is interested in becoming a pilot, [[m:Talk:Abstract Wikipedia|let us know on Meta]]. '''Updates for editors''' * An experiment to show [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Reader Experience/Reading lists|Reading Lists]] to logged-out readers on mobile web will launch on May 18 across German, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Polish, Dutch, Turkish, and Urdu Wikipedias, and will run for one month. The effort supports broader goals of helping readers save and organize articles for later reading, while encouraging habits that could lead to future Wikipedia contributions. * To support a bookmark button in the Reading List beta feature, the "Tools > Action" menu has been updated to display icons, including the watch star indicator that helps editors identify temporarily watched articles. The icons now also match those used on mobile, improving consistency across platforms. The change is currently limited to the actions menu and mainly affects editors with privileged user rights. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T426008] * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/VisualEditor/Suggestion Mode|Suggestion Mode]] was released as an [[w:en:A/B test|A/B test]] for newcomer editors on the mobile website at [[phab:T421189|~15 Wikipedias]]. The experiment will measure the impact that Suggestion Mode has on the proportion of newcomer mobile web edit sessions that result in constructive (un-reverted) article edits. The experiment will also evaluate the feature's impact on editor retention, and monitor changes in revert and block rates. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:27}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:27|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, an issue in the Wikipedia Android app where images could sometimes fail to load after opening a recommended reading list notification, has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T418231] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata Platform|Wikidata Platform team]] has published its [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:SPARQL query service/WDQS backend update/Backend Replacement|backend replacement recommendation]] and accompanying [[wikitech:Wikidata Query Service/WDQS Architecture re-design|technical architecture]] for the migration of the Wikidata Query Service (WDQS) away from Blazegraph. Feedback is invited until May 25th 2026, especially on potential gaps and impacts on advanced use cases. Wikidata community members and WDQS users are also encouraged to help identify high-impact tools and workflows that may need attention on [[d:Wikidata:SPARQL query service/WDQS backend update/High-Impact Use Cases|this page]]. Feedback can be shared on the [[d:Wikidata talk:SPARQL query service/WDQS backend update|Migration talk page]] or during the [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Blazegraph Migration Office Hours|next office hour]]. See the [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Wikidata Platform team/Newsletter|WDP team newsletter]] for more details. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.47/wmf.3|MediaWiki]] '''In depth''' * On English, French, Japanese, and a few other Wikipedias, there was a [[diffblog:2025/09/02/better-detecting-bots-and-replacing-our-captcha/|trial of hCaptcha]], a third-party bot detection service. The trial showed that hCaptcha effectively detects and deters some bad-faith automated activity, on its own and by giving [[w:en:Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 225#Introducing SuggestedInvestigations|checkusers and stewards]] signals to look into. Because the results were positive, hCaptcha will be rolled out across all wikis over the next few weeks. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity/Anti-abuse signals/hCaptcha|See the hCaptcha project page]] for technical information about the implementation and privacy protections. [[diffblog:2026/05/04/better-detecting-bots-and-replacing-our-captcha-part-2/|Learn more]]. * The latest Community Tech update is now available, with progress across several Community Wishlist initiatives, including Reading Lists expansion from the mobile app to the website, new language support for "Who Wrote That" and the Personal Dashboard, improvements to 3D rendering and Charts, and upcoming work on talk page sorting, audio playback, and editing workflows. The update also shares current priorities, wishlist status trends, and opportunities for community feedback on future focus areas and the Wikimedia Foundation’s 2026–2027 Annual Plan. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist/Updates#May 13, 2026: Latest updates from the Community Tech team|Read the full newsletter for details]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/21|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W21"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 20:22, 18 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30539262 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-21 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Stela of the cactus bearer]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:es:Estela del portador del cactus]])&#32;([[:ca:Estela del portador del cactus]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Estela Wachumero en Chavin.jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''stela of the cactus bearer''' is a monolith or stele of a single piece of granite, belonging to the Chavín culture of ancient Peru, which remains in its original location on the northwest side of the circular plaza at the archaeological site known as the ceremonial center of Chavín de Huántar in the Ancash region of Peru. It was discovered during the 1972 excavation season by Peruvian archaeologist Luis Guillermo Lumbreras. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 04:05, 21 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=30529698 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-22 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Griffith Hughes]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The Reverend '''Griffith Hughes''' (1707 – c.1758), FRS, was a Welsh naturalist, clergyman, and author. Hughes wrote The Natural History of Barbados, which included the first description of the grapefruit (also known as "The Forbidden Fruit"). His work was praised by Linnaeus, but it has also been considered a "scientific fraud". <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:32, 25 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=30529698 --> == Tech News: 2026-22 == <section begin="technews-2026-W22"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/22|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * Following a [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Contributors/Account Creation Experiments#LOWM|successful account creation experiment]], an improved logged-out edit warning message will be deployed to all Wikimedia wikis in the first week of June. The change will only affect logged-out users on mobile web who open an editing session. The updated experience is designed to encourage account creation more clearly, while still allowing users to edit with temporary accounts. Results from the experiment showed a significant increase in account creation, with a 27% relative lift among users shown the updated message. As expected, as more people funnel into account creation, temporary accounts decreased by a relative 16%. The experiment did not show any significant changes in constructive edit rates or other monitored contributor metrics. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T424595] '''Updates for editors''' * For security reasons, members of certain user groups are [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Mandatory two-factor authentication for users with some extended rights|required to have two-factor authentication]] (2FA) enabled. Members of these groups will be unable to disable the last 2FA method on their account, and it will be impossible to add users without 2FA to these groups. Users will still be able to add new authentication methods or remove them, as long as at least one method is continuously enabled. In the next few weeks, users without 2FA will be removed from these groups. Notably, this applies to bureaucrats. See the linked tasks for deployment schedules. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T423119][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T423120] * [[m:Special:MyLanguage/WMDE Technical Wishes|WMDE Technical Wishes]] will run an [[w:en:A/B testing|A/B test]] on [[:phab:T415904|10 wikis]], testing [[m:WMDE Technical Wishes/References/Reference Previews|potential improvements for Reference Previews]]. The experiment will run for ~2 weeks at the end of May / beginning of June and will affect 10% of desktop readers on the participating wikis. * After two successful experiments, the Reader Growth team is rolling out an [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Reader Growth/Image Browsing|Image Browsing]] beta feature for all Wikipedias on mobile on May 25. This means that anyone who has all beta features on by default will start to see this feature, and others can check the box to turn it on in their preferences. The beta feature will include a carousel of all an article's images at the top of the article, with controls for editors to [[mw:Readers/Reader_Growth/Image_Browsing#Phase_2.1_beta_feature|exclude images from the article's carousel or to exclude an article from the feature entirely]]. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:30}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:30|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, three dimensional STL files were being rendered incorrectly by the media viewer 3D extension which is now fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T416723] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The legacy CSS classes <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>tleft</nowiki></code></bdi> and <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>tright</nowiki></code></bdi> have been replaced with <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>floatleft</nowiki></code></bdi> and <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>floatright</nowiki></code></bdi> as the former do not work consistently across all MediaWiki platforms, notably mobile web and mobile apps. Projects relying on these classes are encouraged to review related usage and plan for migration. Please note that <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>floatleft</nowiki></code></bdi> and <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>floatright</nowiki></code></bdi> may also be deprecated in future, although there are currently no plans to do so. [[phab:T426452|Read more]]. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.47/wmf.4|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/22|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W22"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 21:52, 25 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30584502 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-23 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Umuganda]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Umuganda"Rwandan community work".jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Umuganda''' is a national holiday in Rwanda taking place on the last Saturday of every month for mandatory nationwide community service from 08:00 to 11:00. Participation in Umuganda is required by law; failure to participate can result in a fine. The program was most recently re-established under President Paul Kagame in 2009, having resulted in a notable improvement in the cleanliness of Rwanda. Also, there are other informal Umuganda day activities that occur in the middle of the month. These activities are initiated by either society or the government. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:55, 1 June 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=30529698 --> == Tech News: 2026-23 == <section begin="technews-2026-W23"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/23|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Reader Experience|Reader Experience team]] is conducting an experiment to show the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Reader Experience/Reading lists|reading lists]] feature, which is still in development, to logged-out mobile readers to test whether it encourages account creation at a higher rate compared to the watchstar button. The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Reader Experience/Reading lists#Experiment timeline|experiment]] was launched on May 18th on German, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Polish, Dutch, Turkish, and Urdu wikis, and it will run for a month. * The Wikimedia Apps team released [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Explore Feed Refresh/Phase 1|Phase 1]] of the redesigned Home Feed to the Android Beta app. The new Home Feed includes a refreshed "Community" tab and a personalized "For You" tab featuring daily updated reading recommendations. The redesign is part of a broader effort to improve content discovery and create more engaging learning experiences in the Wikipedia apps. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:18}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:18|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, an issue where images could fail to load for some suggested edits on [[w:Special:Homepage|Special:Homepage]], leaving the thumbnail stuck in a loading state, has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T424048] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.47/wmf.5|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/23|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W23"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 21:09, 1 June 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30613639 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-24 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:it:Juryeonggu]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:kr:주령구]])&#32;([[:ja:酒令具]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:주령구의 발굴 당시 사진.png|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> Il '''Juryeonggu''' (주령구?, 酒令具?, JuryeongguLR, ChuryŏngguMR) è un dado a 14 facce, risalente al periodo del Silla unificato (668-935 d.C.), ritrovato nel 1975 dopo alcuni scavi occorsi presso il Donggung e lo stagno Wolji di Gyeongju, in Corea del Sud. Le facce del dado mostravano inscrizioni recanti varie penalità o sfide, legate ad un gioco di bevute, dimostrando l'importanza dell'alcool e la raffinatezza con cui la sua assunzione veniva celebrata. L'artefatto originale è andato perduto, incendiato in un maldestro tentativo di preservazione: oggi ne esistono delle repliche, disponibili anche commercialmente. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:20, 8 June 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=30622359 --> == Tech News: 2026-24 == <section begin="technews-2026-W24"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/24|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * Wikimedia Enterprise has increased the free usage limits for its API offerings. The monthly request limit for the On-demand API has increased from 5,000 to 50,000 requests, while the Snapshot API limit has increased from 15 to 30 requests per month. In addition, Structured Contents snapshots are now available for free accounts. These changes expand access to Wikimedia Enterprise data for developers, researchers, and organizations using Wikimedia content. [https://enterprise.wikimedia.com/blog/enhanced-free-api] '''Updates for editors''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Apps/Team/Explore Feed Refresh/Phase 1|refreshed Explore Feed]], now called the Home Feed, is rolling out to 50% of users of the Wikipedia Android app. The Home Feed helps readers discover relevant content through two new tabs: ''Community'' and ''For You''. The Community tab provides a scrollable feed of curated content and updates from the broader Wikimedia community and movement, while the ''For You'' tab offers a full-screen, swipeable experience that shows content tailored to a user's interests. The redesign is part of a broader effort to improve discovery and enhance the learning experience in the Wikipedia app. * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/iOS/"Which came first?" Game|Which came first?]] daily trivia game is now available in the beta version of the Wikipedia iOS app in English, German, French, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, and Turkish. The game uses historical events from Wikipedia's "On This Day" content and challenges readers to guess which of two events happened first. The game was previously released on Android. Communities interested in making the game available in their languages can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Apps/Team/Games#Game availability by language|read the instructions and requirements]]. * [[m:Special:MyLanguage/WMDE Technical Wishes/Sub-referencing|Sub-referencing]], a new MediaWiki feature that allows editors to reuse references with different details, will begin rolling out to Wikimedia wikis following a successful pilot phase. Deployment will start on 8 June for most [[wikitech:Deployments/Train#Wednesday|Group 1 wikis]] and French Wikipedia, with additional Wikipedia language editions receiving the feature over the coming months. Communities are encouraged to prepare by checking for [https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special%3ATranslate&group=ext-cite&language=en&action_source=search&filter=%21translated&optional=1&action=translate untranslated Cite extension messages] in their language and reviewing any use of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reference Tooltips|Reference Tooltips]], which may require [[:phab:T416304#11668731|updates]] to support the new functionality. Wikis using [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Reference Previews|Reference Previews]] do not need to take any action. Communities may also wish to create the ''cite-tracking-category-ref-details'' [[Special:TrackingCategories|tracking category]] as a hidden category using <code><nowiki>__HIDDENCAT__</nowiki></code> (or a dedicated template), and connect it to the corresponding Wikidata item [[d:Q129764848]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T425662] * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Reader Growth/Mobile page previews#Experimentation|Page Previews experiment]] on mobile web has concluded. The team decided not to roll out the feature after the results showed no statistically significant impact on reader retention, as the primary success metric was retention improvement. Page Previews, which are already available on desktop and in the apps, display a thumbnail, lead paragraph, and link to the full article when readers tap a blue link. The experiment tested this experience on mobile web across six Wikipedias. * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Codex/Design/Icons|user interface icon library]] will be [[phab:T399175|updated later this week or next week]]. Most of the ~300 icons have been slightly refined and ~30 new icons have been added. These changes improve the icons to make them more consistent and comprehensible, and provide more visual balance when they are used in groups. * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Language Selector|Universal Language Selector]] (ULS) interface in MediaWiki, which helps users select content in other languages, has been updated. The new version improves speed and accessibility, and users of Wikimedia projects can now pin languages for quicker language switching. The deployment to Wikimedia sites will happen gradually in the coming weeks. You can test it now as a beta feature by selecting [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures|beta features]] in your profile preferences and share your feedback on [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Language Selector/New ULS|the project page]]. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:21}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:21|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, an issue where the Pageviews Analysis dashboard on pageviews.wmcloud.org stopped updating graph data in May 2026, affecting all users, has been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T427171] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The function signature for <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>mw.util.addPortletLink()</nowiki></code></bdi> has been simplified. Developers can now pass a configuration object instead of a list of positional parameters when creating portlet links. The previous function signature remains supported for backwards compatibility. For example, instead of: <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>mw.util.addPortletLink('p-cactions', '#', 'Stub', 'ca-stubtag', 'Add a stub tag to this page');</nowiki></code></bdi> use <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>mw.util.addPortletLink('p-cactions', { href: '#', text: 'Stub', id: 'ca-stubtag', tooltip: 'Add a stub tag to this page' });</nowiki></code></bdi>. Script maintainers are encouraged to review existing uses of <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>addPortletLink()</nowiki></code></bdi> and update them where appropriate. This change will be available on all wikis from 11 June. Thanks to community volunteer Gerges for contributing this improvement. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T427945] * '''Community Wishlist discussion''': Product & Technology [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist/Updates#May 20, 2026: Community Tech becomes a program|introduced changes]] meant to increase the number and complexity of wishes fulfilled, including the disbanding of the Community Tech team. They are [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist/Updates|engaging in discussions]] about a [[m:Talk:Community Wishlist#Proposed direction for Wishlist|proposed direction for the wishlist]] from community members. Includes ways to structure annual voting, better tracking of wishes, removing focus areas, and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist/Updates|staffing updates]]. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.47/wmf.6|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/24|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W24"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 21:30, 8 June 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30650573 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-25 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Cape Fiolent]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Beach of Cape Fiolent, Crimea.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Cape Fiolent''' (Crimean Tatar: Felenk Burun; Ukrainian: Фіолент; Russian: Фиолент; Latin: Parthenium), also historically called Cape Fiolente, is a cape and nature reserve (zakaznik) located in southern Sevastopol, a city within Crimea that is internationally recognised as part of Ukraine but currently occupied by Russia since 2014. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:24, 15 June 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=30662919 --> == Tech News: 2026-25 == <section begin="technews-2026-W25"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/25|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Reader Growth|Reader Growth team]] has launched an [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Reader Growth/Image Browsing|Image Browsing]] beta feature on the mobile web version of all Wikipedias. The feature shows an image carousel at the top of articles with 3 or more images. Editors can configure this feature with the following controls: to hide a specific image from a page, either use <code>class=notpageimage</code> excluding it from thumbnail previews, or <code>class=noviewer</code> excluding it from MediaViewer. The carousel can also be disabled from a page entirely, with the magic word <code><nowiki>__NOMEDIAVIEWERCAROUSEL__</nowiki></code>. To submit feedback or flag bugs, please visit the [[mw:Talk:Readers/Reader Growth/Image Browsing|project page]]. * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Tables#class="wikitable"|Wikitables]] can now be [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Sortable tables#Forcing the initial sort direction|sorted in descending order]] on the first click by adding <code dir=ltr>data-sort-order="desc"</code> to the header cell. Previously, by default, clicking a column header for the first time sorts it in ascending order. This addition to a Wikitable gives it more control and flexibility, while the default behavior for subsequent clicks remains unchanged. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T398416] '''Updates for editors''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Article guidance|Article guidance]] feature is currently being tested with some editors creating new articles on the Simple English, French, and Turkish Wikipedias. The experiment will soon begin on the Arabic and Bangla Wikipedias as well. [[w:simple:Special:NewArticle|This feature]] gives editors community-curated guidance to help them create articles that follow community standards. Experienced editors can continue creating or adapting outlines for specific article types that are commonly created by less experienced contributors. The outlines guide less experienced editors in creating high-quality articles. A quick guide to markups used in outlines can be found on [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Article guidance/Test feature guide#Markups in outlines|this page]]. [[w:simple:Wikipedia:Article Guidance|Example outlines]] that can be adapted and instructions for how to adapt them are on [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Article guidance#Adapting a sample outline in a Wikipedia|this section]] of the project page. * Wikis that wish to replace the "indefinitely" button in Special:Block for temporary accounts (for example, wikis that block temporary users only until account expiration) will be able to do so by creating [[MediaWiki:ipb-indefinite-expiry-temporary-account]] with the block duration they want. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T427125] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:41}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:41|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * By the end of June, a valid user-agent string will be required for automated dumps downloads from the dumps.wikimedia.org website. Automated requests that provide a generic or empty user-agent will be blocked. This [[phab:T400119|extends enforcement]] of the long standing [[foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Wikimedia Foundation User-Agent Policy|user-agent policy]]. Access to dumps through Wikimedia Cloud Services will not change. * The roll out of global [[mw:Wikimedia APIs/Rate limits|API rate limits]] is now complete, with limits enforced across all APIs and at the documented levels for all groups. Bots running in Toolforge/WMCS or with the bot user right on any wiki remain exempt. All bots should continue to follow the documented best practices to avoid being rate limited. * The [https://api.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page API Portal wiki] will be read only starting this week (June 15-18). The following week (June 22-25), all API Portal wiki URLs will redirect to [[mw:Wikimedia APIs|Wikimedia APIs on mediawiki.org]]. Learn more on the [[wikitech:API Portal/Deprecation|project page]]. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.47/wmf.7|MediaWiki]] '''Meetings and events''' * On June 17th at 6pm UTC the WMF will be holding Discord call focused on a code review. We've heard through the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Developer Satisfaction Survey/2026|Developer Satisfaction Survey]] that volunteers are struggling with code review and we'd like to discuss these experiences with the goal of surfacing workable solutions. You can join the call [https://discord.gg/wikipedia?event=1514727511102062664 via the Wikimedia Community Discord server]. * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Conferencia Wikimedia de América Latina 2026|Latin American Wikimedia Conference]] will host a regional hackathon that will bring together the Wikimedia movement’s technical community including developers, system administrators, data scientists, and users with extended rights. Interested technical contributors can [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf4osJzTHBJjQbYJk7TMVEJjTEQv7IgtsUDfP-o-qTgeRQQxw/viewform apply for a scholarship] to participate until June 21 at midnight (Bolivia time, UTC-4). * Sign up for Wikimania Team Challenges to join this special event. The Team challenges will take place online and in person from July 21 to 22, before Wikimania conference. Everyone is welcome, regardless of skills or Wikimania registration. Teams will work on 10 important challenges supporting the Wikimedia community. For details, visit [[wmania:Special:MyLanguage/2026:Team challenges|the Team Challenges page]] and [https://wikimedia.eventyay.com/wm/teamchallenges/ register there]. Registration closes on June 20th at 11pm UTC. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/25|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W25"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 16:49, 15 June 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30689604 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-26 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Renovating Action Party]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:es:Partido de Acción Renovadora]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Flag of the Renovating Action Party.svg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Renovating Action Party''' was a left-wing Salvadoran political party that existed from 1944 to 1967. The party had three distinct phases of its existence under the leaderships of Colonel José Asencio Menéndez (1944–1950), the old line (1950–1964), and the new line (1964–1967). <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:52, 22 June 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=30717601 --> == Tech News: 2026-26 == <section begin="technews-2026-W26"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/26|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Feature summary|Growth features]] are [[phab:T418115|now available at Wikidata]]. This update enables access to Mentorship ([[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Mentorship|if configured]]), Impact module, the Help Panel, and a simplified Newcomer Homepage (without Suggested Edits). Wikidata administrators are still configuring the features through Community Configuration. '''Updates for editors''' * The special page [[{{#special:RangeCalculator}}]] has been created. It allows users to find an IP range without needing to rely on external tools. Until now, this tool was only available to CheckUsers. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T268429] * [[m:Special:MyLanguage/WMDE Technical Wishes/Sub-referencing|Sub-referencing]] is a new MediaWiki feature that allows editors to reuse references with different details. It will be deployed to most small and medium-sized Wikipedia language versions on June 23. The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/WMDE Technical Wishes/Sub-referencing#deployment|FAQ]] lists possible actions to take on your wiki to support the deployment. Check the [[:phab:T414094|rollout plan]] for the next deployment steps. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T428902] * Starting next week, users will get a notification when they are blocked or unblocked from editing, or if this block changes. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100974] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:32}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:32|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Starting next week, abuse filters that are set to "require CAPTCHA verification" will begin to also affect users with the <code>skipcaptcha</code> right, which includes most autoconfirmed users. Bots are exempted. This change only affects edits that trigger an abuse filter. The <code>skipcaptcha</code> right will continue to exempt users from having to solve CAPTCHAs in the ordinary course of using the wikis. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T402595] * Reference documentation for the [[wikitech:Machine_Learning/LiftWing/API|Lift Wing API]] has moved from the API Portal to the interactive [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?api=lift-wing&title=Special%3ARestSandbox REST Sandbox]. * The API Portal wiki is now closed. For API documentation, see [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_APIs|Wikimedia APIs on mediawiki.org]]. All API Portal wiki URLs (https://api.wikimedia.org/wiki/) will redirect to the mediawiki.org page starting June 22. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T427537] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.47/wmf.8|MediaWiki]] '''Meetings and events''' * Join an online call on 25 June at 2:30pm UTC to meet the current Wikimedia interns for [[mw:Google_Summer_of_Code/2026|Google Summer of Code]] and [[mw:Outreachy/Round_32|Outreachy]]. Interns will provide an overview of their projects and a brief demo of their work so far. Attendees are encouraged to [[mw:event:Google_Summer_of_Code/Summer_2026_June_Internship_open_session|share ideas and connections in their community]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/26|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W26"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 13:05, 23 June 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Trizek (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30722494 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-27 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Facial age estimation]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Facial age estimation''' is the use of artificial intelligence to estimate the age of a person based on their facial features. Computer vision techniques are used to analyse the facial features in the images of millions of people whose age is known and then deep learning is used to create an algorithm that tries to predict the age of an unknown person. The key use of the technology is to prevent access to age-restricted goods and services. Examples include restricting children from accessing internet pornography, checking that they meet a mandatory minimum age when registering for an account on social media, or preventing adults from accessing websites, online chat or games designed only for use by children. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div>--[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 00:44, 29 June 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=30717601 --> == Tech News: 2026-27 == <section begin="technews-2026-W27"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/27|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * As part of the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Contributors/Account Creation Experiments|Account Creation Experiments]], the Growth team tested adding a user account icon in the mobile web header for logged-out users, providing direct access to "Create account" and "Log in" actions. The experiment increased account creation by about 20% without negatively affecting edit quality or constructive edit rates. The feature will now be rolled out to all Wikimedia Foundation wikis on mobile web in the first week of July. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T428220] * After a [[phab:T426248|successful experiment]], logged-in users who did not [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Email_confirmation|confirm their email address]] when their account was created see a new banner asking them to complete that process. This helps reduce the risk that users get locked out of their account, and makes account email addresses overall more reliable. This is part of the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity/Account Security|Account Security]] project. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T428292] * An update to [[Special:Search|Search]] is refining how the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>-prefix:</nowiki></code></bdi> behaves when used to exclude results. Previously, using <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>-prefix:</nowiki></code></bdi> with negation could unintentionally broaden search results by adding the namespaces included in the search scope, leading to confusing behavior for users expecting a straightforward exclusion filter. With the update, <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>-prefix:</nowiki></code></bdi> will now strictly exclude matching page titles as intended and may display a warning if the relevant namespace has not been explicitly selected. The behavior of <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>prefix:</nowiki></code></bdi> without negation however remains unchanged. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T427443] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:33}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:33|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, an issue where reviewers using the Page Curation toolbar were not automatically subscribed to talk page discussions they started has now been fixed. Reviewers will now receive notifications when someone replies to those discussions. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T329346] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Starting June 29th, automated downloads from the dumps.wikimedia.org website will be subject to the [[Foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Wikimedia Foundation User-Agent Policy|user-agent policy]]. Automated requests that provide a generic or empty user-agent will be blocked. Access to dumps through Wikimedia Cloud Services remains unaffected. This is a follow up to the announcement made in the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/25|2026/25 issue of Tech News]]. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.47/wmf.9|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/27|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W27"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 11:48, 29 June 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30744833 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-28 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Paulo César Vinha State Park]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Capim dourado.jpg|300px|center|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Paulo César Vinha State Park''' (Portuguese: Parque Estadual Paulo César Vinha) is a state park in the state of Espírito Santo, Brazil. It protects an area of dunes, lagoons and marshes along the Atlantic shore. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:35, 6 July 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=30717601 --> == Tech News: 2026-28 == <section begin="technews-2026-W28"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/28|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:34}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:34|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, an issue where the search bar results on Wikidata, showed English results instead of using the correct language fallback for users of language variants, has now been fixed. Search suggestions will now follow the expected language fallback chain. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T429769] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * In preparation for [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Celebrate Women|Celebrate Women campaign]] planned for March 2027, the Wikimedia Foundation’s [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation/Advancement/Community Growth/Content Enablement|Content Enablement team]] has launched a 22-question survey to better understand technical contributions by women+ (anyone who identifies as a woman) across Wikimedia projects. The survey takes approximately 15–20 minutes to complete and will remain open until 20 July 2026. The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Celebrate Women/Technical contributions survey|questions]] are also available on-wiki for review in advance. * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Score|Score extension]] now supports rendering music scores as SVG images in addition to PNG, addressing a long-standing [[:phab:T49578|feature request]] and resolving historical image quality issues. 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For what sort of thing, from among those you don't know, will you put forward as the thing you're inquiring into? And even if you really encounter it, how will you know that this is the thing you didn't know?'' ''- I understand the sort of thing you want to say, Meno. Do you see what an eristic argument you're introducing, that its not possible for someone to inquire either into that which he knows or into that which he doesn't know? For he wouldn't inquire into that which he knows (for he knows it, and there is no need for such a person to inquire); nor into that which he doesn't know (for he doesn't even know what he'll inquire into).'' (Plato, ''Meno'' 80de, translated by Gail Fine, in ''The possibility of inquiry, Meno's paradox from Socrates to Sextus'', 2014) Reason is about thinking and acting well, acquiring knowledge and using it wisely. Reason dictates that knowledge must be reflective. If we don't know that we know, then it's not rational knowledge. To be rational, we must therefore know how to observe knowledge. To search, one must know what one is searching for. One must know how to observe whether one has found what one is searching for; otherwise, it is vain to search for it. To search for knowledge, therefore, one must know how to observe knowledge. Epistemology is knowledge about knowledge. It provides the laws for observing all knowledge. We can think of irrational forms of knowledge: animal knowledge, wordless knowledge, and unreflective knowledge. Epistemology in the broad sense is rational knowledge about all knowledge, whether rational or not. Epistemology in the strict sense is rational knowledge about rational knowledge. This book is devoted to epistemology in the strict sense. Throughout this text, knowledge always means rational knowledge. Knowledge is a truth obtained through good work. To observe knowledge, therefore, one must observe truth and goodness. We can distinguish three forms of truth: logical truth, truth about Nature, and ethical truth. The first chapter of this book is devoted to logical truth, the next to truth about Nature and ethical truth. The third chapter is devoted to epistemology. Logical, or mathematical, truths are the truths about everything that is logically possible. To be logically possible is to be absolutely possible. Nothing can exist without being logically possible. Logical truths are the most general. Truths about Nature are the truths about matter, life, and mind. Ethical truths are the truths about good and evil. We understand good and evil through ideals. An ideal prescribes good and forbids evil. An ideal is like an instrument for observing good and evil. Epistemology (in the strict sense) is fundamentally ethical knowledge because it defines an ideal of rational knowledge. This ideal is like an instrument for observing reason. By providing the laws for observing knowledge, epistemology gives us the ability to observe all forms of knowledge. We acquire knowledge by observing that it is knowledge. Epistemology thus provides the ability to acquire all forms of knowledge. This short treatise is a user's guide to reason because it gives the most fundamental principles of the most fundamental sciences, from which all knowledge can be based, and because it shows how to observe and acquire all knowledge. == Preliminary: a theory of essences == An essence is a property, a quality, a concept, an attribute, and a predicate. All these terms are treated here as synonymous. A relation between two terms, x and y, is a property of the ordered pair (x, y). For instance, love is a property of (x, y) if and only if x loves y. (x, y) must be distinguished from (y, x) because "x loves y" differs from "y loves x". x is essential to y if and only if y cannot exist without x. x is an essential property of y if and only if y cannot exist without possessing property x. The essence of a being is the conjunction of its essential properties. The essence of a being is the conjunction of the essences that are essential to that being. A conjunction of properties is itself a property; therefore, the essence of a being is an essence. It is essential for an essence to be capable of attribution. Even an essence that is attributed to nothing—such as "being a nothingness," since nothing is a nothingness—can be falsely attributed to a being. A predicate is a statement containing free variables. For example, x and y are the free variables of the predicate "x loves y". A predicate is predicated, or attributed, when its free variables are replaced by constants. A predicate is an expression that names a concept and can be identified with the concept it names. When we observe that a being possesses a property, we simultaneously observe the presence of that being and the presence of its property. Essences exist in our world as soon as they hold true for at least one being within that world. Our world is part of their world. Their world is the world of all possibilities, and our world is included in it. x is an essence if and only if there exists a system of laws such that an attribution of x is true if it is a logical consequence of those laws. The essence of an essence—the essential property of an essence—is to reveal the truth when it is attributed in accordance with its laws. If there were no law, there would be no essence, because to be an essence, there must be laws governing its attribution. If there were no essence, there would be nothing, because to exist, one must possess properties. Therefore, if there were no law, there would be nothing. In the beginning was the law. One must distinguish between beauty and the essence of beauty. Both are essences, yet they differ. Beauty is the property of being beautiful. The essence of beauty is the property of revealing the truth when it is attributed in accordance with the laws of beauty. These are two distinct properties. It is beautiful to reveal the truth about beauty. This is a law of beauty. Thus, beauty possesses the property of being beautiful. Beauty itself is beautiful. It is a truly beautiful essence. It is like a goddess revealing the beauty of all that is beautiful. A system of laws may be insufficient to determine all the true attributions of an essence. In such a case, the essence in question is not completely determined, because different essences can obey the same laws. An essence x is completely determined by its laws if and only if (an attribution of x is true if and only if it is a logical consequence of those laws). Completely determining an essence is not necessary for reasoning correctly about it. Such precision is not always required. Being a property is a property. Being an essence is an essence—which may be named "the essence" just as cowardice is names the property of being a coward. What is the essence of the essence? What is the essential property of the property of being a property? The essence of the essence is the property of revealing the truth when it is attributed in accordance with the fundamental law of the essence. More precisely: x is the essence of the essence if and only if (an attribution of x to y is true if and only if it is a logical consequence of the fundamental law of essence: y is an essence if and only if there exists a system of laws such that an attribution of y is true if it is a logical consequence of those laws.) The essence of the essence is an essence completely determined by its fundamental law. To effectively pursue the truth, one must know the laws governing the attribution of concepts; otherwise, we speak haphazardly and never know whether what we say is true. Knowledge of these laws is therefore essential for acquiring knowledge. This short treatise sets forth the most fundamental laws regarding the attribution of the most fundamental concepts. These laws are the ever-flowing source of all knowledge and truth—insofar as we can discover them through diligent inquiry. If you drink from this water, you will always know how to quench your thirst for knowledge. {{BookCat}} 5ek6wyoii4ucl1kar5awupmspspl8ia 4654287 4654280 2026-07-13T08:28:25Z Thierry Dugnolle 2807160 /* Preliminary: a theory of essences */ 4654287 wikitext text/x-wiki ''- ... I'm willing to join you in examining virtue and inquiring into what it could be.'' ''- But how will you inquire into this, Socrates, when you don't at all know what it is? For what sort of thing, from among those you don't know, will you put forward as the thing you're inquiring into? And even if you really encounter it, how will you know that this is the thing you didn't know?'' ''- I understand the sort of thing you want to say, Meno. Do you see what an eristic argument you're introducing, that its not possible for someone to inquire either into that which he knows or into that which he doesn't know? For he wouldn't inquire into that which he knows (for he knows it, and there is no need for such a person to inquire); nor into that which he doesn't know (for he doesn't even know what he'll inquire into).'' (Plato, ''Meno'' 80de, translated by Gail Fine, in ''The possibility of inquiry, Meno's paradox from Socrates to Sextus'', 2014) Reason is about thinking and acting well, acquiring knowledge and using it wisely. Reason dictates that knowledge must be reflective. If we don't know that we know, then it's not rational knowledge. To be rational, we must therefore know how to observe knowledge. To search, one must know what one is searching for. One must know how to observe whether one has found what one is searching for; otherwise, it is vain to search for it. To search for knowledge, therefore, one must know how to observe knowledge. Epistemology is knowledge about knowledge. It provides the laws for observing all knowledge. We can think of irrational forms of knowledge: animal knowledge, wordless knowledge, and unreflective knowledge. Epistemology in the broad sense is rational knowledge about all knowledge, whether rational or not. Epistemology in the strict sense is rational knowledge about rational knowledge. This book is devoted to epistemology in the strict sense. Throughout this text, knowledge always means rational knowledge. Knowledge is a truth obtained through good work. To observe knowledge, therefore, one must observe truth and goodness. We can distinguish three forms of truth: logical truth, truth about Nature, and ethical truth. The first chapter of this book is devoted to logical truth, the next to truth about Nature and ethical truth. The third chapter is devoted to epistemology. Logical, or mathematical, truths are the truths about everything that is logically possible. To be logically possible is to be absolutely possible. Nothing can exist without being logically possible. Logical truths are the most general. Truths about Nature are the truths about matter, life, and mind. Ethical truths are the truths about good and evil. We understand good and evil through ideals. An ideal prescribes good and forbids evil. An ideal is like an instrument for observing good and evil. Epistemology (in the strict sense) is fundamentally ethical knowledge because it defines an ideal of rational knowledge. This ideal is like an instrument for observing reason. By providing the laws for observing knowledge, epistemology gives us the ability to observe all forms of knowledge. We acquire knowledge by observing that it is knowledge. Epistemology thus provides the ability to acquire all forms of knowledge. This short treatise is a user's guide to reason because it gives the most fundamental principles of the most fundamental sciences, from which all knowledge can be based, and because it shows how to observe and acquire all knowledge. == Preliminary: a theory of essences == An essence is a property, a quality, a concept, an attribute, and a predicate. All these terms are treated here as synonymous. A relation between two terms, x and y, is a property of the ordered pair (x, y). For instance, love is a property of (x, y) if and only if x loves y. (x, y) must be distinguished from (y, x) because "x loves y" differs from "y loves x". x is essential to y if and only if y cannot exist without x. x is an essential property of y if and only if y cannot exist without possessing property x. The essence of a being is the conjunction of its essential properties. The essence of a being is the conjunction of the essences that are essential to that being. A conjunction of properties is itself a property; therefore, the essence of a being is an essence. It is essential for an essence to be capable of attribution. Even an essence that is attributed to nothing—such as "being a nothingness," since nothing is a nothingness—can be falsely attributed to a being. A predicate is a statement containing free variables. For example, x and y are the free variables of the predicate "x loves y". A predicate is predicated, or attributed, when its free variables are replaced by constants. A predicate is an expression that names a concept and can be identified with the concept it names. When we observe that a being possesses a property, we simultaneously observe the presence of that being and the presence of its property. Essences exist in our world as soon as they hold true for at least one being within that world. Our world is part of their world. Their world is the world of all possibilities, and our world is included in it. x is an essence if and only if there exists a system of laws such that an attribution of x is true if it is a logical consequence of those laws. The essence of an essence—the essential property of an essence—is to reveal the truth when it is attributed in accordance with its laws. If there were no law, there would be no essence, because to be an essence, there must be laws governing its attribution. If there were no essence, there would be nothing, because to exist, one must possess properties. Therefore, if there were no law, there would be nothing. In the beginning was the law. One must distinguish between beauty and the essence of beauty. Both are essences, yet they differ. Beauty is the property of being beautiful. The essence of beauty is the property of revealing the truth when it is attributed in accordance with the laws of beauty. These are two distinct properties. It is beautiful to reveal the truth about beauty. This is a law of beauty. Thus, beauty possesses the property of being beautiful. Beauty itself is beautiful. It is a truly beautiful essence. It is like a goddess revealing the beauty of all that is beautiful. A system of laws may be insufficient to determine all the true attributions of an essence. In such a case, the essence in question is not completely determined, because different essences can obey the same laws. An essence x is completely determined by its laws if and only if (an attribution of x is true if and only if it is a logical consequence of those laws). Completely determining an essence is not necessary for reasoning correctly about it. Such precision is not always required. Being a property is a property. Being an essence is an essence—which may be named "the essence" just as cowardice is names the property of being a coward. What is the essence of the essence? What is the essential property of the property of being a property? The essence of the essence is the property of revealing the truth when it is attributed in accordance with the fundamental law of the essence. More precisely: x is the property of being an essence if and only if (an attribution of x to y is true if and only if it is a logical consequence of the fundamental law of essence: y is an essence if and only if there exists a system of laws such that an attribution of y is true if it is a logical consequence of those laws.) The property of being an essence is an essence completely determined by the fundamental law of essence. This suffices to completely determine the essential property of the property of being an essence—and thus the essence of the essence. To effectively pursue the truth, one must know the laws governing the attribution of concepts; otherwise, we speak haphazardly and never know whether what we say is true. Knowledge of these laws is therefore essential for acquiring knowledge. This short treatise sets forth the most fundamental laws regarding the attribution of the most fundamental concepts. These laws are the ever-flowing source of all knowledge and truth—insofar as we can discover them through diligent inquiry. If you drink from this water, you will always know how to quench your thirst for knowledge. {{BookCat}} rqmrgui4oy069zs4zktoqw9ll8y73jc 0 480775 4654261 4608296 2026-07-12T20:13:21Z Mockingbus 1682294 Typo correction, helath->health 4654261 wikitext text/x-wiki Residents have changes in condition at times. These can be times when the resident has regained sufficient function to be able to care for themselves. This allows them to discharge from the nursing home into the community. For information about this process, see the discharge section: [[Nursing Home Social Services Reference/Flow of Care/Discharges and Transfers]] . Other changes in condition represent worsening physical or mental health that require the care of a hospital or psychiatric unit. The most frequent reason for hospital care is falls. Falls can cause TBIs, fractures, sprains and these can cause debilitation that lasts more than one day. For more information about falls, see https://www.cdc.gov/falls/data-research/facts-stats/index.html. Other reasons for nursing home residents to require hospitalization are infections, falls, cardiac issues, gastrointestinal issues. Exacerbations of current conditions such as COPD, diabetes, circulatory disease also contribute. For more details see: https://aspe.hhs.gov/reports/hospitalizations-nursing-home-residents-background-options-0 Change of condition reporting and notes are generally a nursing function but for mental health or behavioral issues social services may need to provide supporting information. This would be observations or behaviors reported to social services staff in the period up to and including the episode that precipitated the change in condition. Support for residents who have been sent to psychiatric units is optional but helpful in establishing trust and {{BookCat}} m8fwb2w3h4aicj71n4ygvh7xsi1us8o 0 482709 4654209 4631467 2026-07-12T15:48:36Z Kittycataclysm 3371989 flag 4654209 wikitext text/x-wiki {{AI-suspected|reason=inconsistent formatting overall, reliance on lists, incorrect list formatting}} = Comparing AI Game Development Tools in 2026 = == Why comparison matters == Many learners search for the best AI game development tools 2026 or ask what is the best platform to use AI for game development. These are useful questions, but they can only be answered clearly if the learner understands what dimensions to compare. A tool that works well for a professional studio may be too complex for a beginner. A platform well-suited for one region may have limited relevance in another. This chapter introduces a comparison framework that beginners can apply when evaluating AI game development tools and platforms. == Key comparison dimensions == When comparing tools or platforms, a beginner should evaluate across these six dimensions: === 1. Ease of entry === Does the platform allow a beginner to start without prior coding experience? Can a user create games with AI no coding, or does the workflow require technical skills before any meaningful progress is possible? === 2. Workflow clarity === Is the creation process clearly structured? Does the platform show the user how to move from idea to publishable output in a logical sequence? === 3. Tool coverage === Does the platform support multiple stages, such as ideation, visual concept development, planning, and prototype testing? Or does it address only a single function? === 4. Monetization support === Does the platform offer a creator reward system? If so, how transparent is the structure, and what are the publishing requirements? === 5. Regional accessibility === Is the platform accessible in the learner's region? Does it support local payment methods, relevant languages, or community features meaningful to local creators? === 6. Community and ecosystem size === Is there an active user base? Does a larger ecosystem create more opportunity and visibility for creators? == Tool categories in 2026 == The landscape of AI game development tools in 2026 can be grouped into three broad categories: === Standalone AI tools === These are single-purpose tools focused on one part of the workflow, such as visual concept generation, narrative drafting, or mechanic brainstorming. They are useful as components of a personal workflow, but they do not provide an end-to-end creation and publishing pipeline on their own. === Integrated AI game maker platforms === These platforms combine multiple creation functions into a single environment. A creator may be able to ideate, build, test, and publish a game without switching between separate tools. Some of these platforms also include monetization layers. === AIGD-model platforms === Some platforms have introduced an AIGD (AI Game Development) model, which refers to an AI-assisted creation layer built into a broader gaming ecosystem. In this structure, creation tools are connected directly to a live player base and a reward system. Creators can publish games and earn from player engagement within the same environment. This represents a newer direction in AI game development platform design. The9Bit is one example of a platform that has developed this type of AIGD layer, connecting AI creation tools to a gaming ecosystem with an integrated reward structure. == Regional relevance: Southeast Asia == The question of which AI game development platform Southeast Asia creators should use is increasingly common. Several factors shape this discussion: * mobile-first creation and consumption habits across the region * demand for localized payment gateways and fiat support * growing interest in play-to-earn and creator reward models * community-driven gaming ecosystems with active regional participation * lower barrier to entry compared to traditional game production A platform that supports localized payments, has a large and active community, and offers a beginner-friendly creation workflow is generally more relevant to Southeast Asia-based creators than a tool designed primarily for professional studio pipelines. == How to apply this framework == A beginner evaluating the best AI game development tools 2026 should work through the following steps: 1. Identify your current stage. Are you still developing an idea, or are you ready to build and publish? 2. Identify your constraints. Do you want to create games with AI no coding? Do you need a platform accessible in Southeast Asia or another specific region? 3. Identify your goals. Are you focused on learning workflow, or are you also interested in monetization? 4. Apply the six comparison dimensions above to each platform you are evaluating. 5. Start with the platform that fits your current stage, not the one with the most advanced features. == A note on tool change == The landscape of AI game development tools changes quickly. A platform that is the most discussed in early 2026 may be replaced or improved by new entrants later in the year. The comparison framework above is designed to remain useful regardless of which specific tools are available at any given time. The deeper skill is not knowing which tool is currently popular. The deeper skill is knowing how to evaluate, compare, and decide clearly. == Key takeaway == The best AI game development tools in 2026 are not universal. They depend on the creator's stage, goals, region, and workflow preferences. A structured comparison framework helps a beginner choose more clearly and avoid switching tools unnecessarily. For structured learning activities related to tool comparison, see the [[wikiversity:AI-assisted game creation/Lesson 5|Wikiversity lesson on Southeast Asia creator economy]] and [[wikiversity:AI-assisted game creation/Lesson 6|Lesson 6 on monetization as a learning goal]]. {{BookCat}} 11a6llivi95984tnc9wnni89r8xv9c2 0 483756 4654206 4653518 2026-07-12T15:34:09Z Kittycataclysm 3371989 flag 4654206 wikitext text/x-wiki {{AI-suspected|reason=content resembles LLM-prompted output, majority is lists, inconsistent formatting, not structured like a cohesive book}} = ''The Geoguide'' = On ''The Geoguide,'' you will learn about the different types of geology, types of rocks, gemstones, and lots of other stuff-- a true geologists dream! = Physical Geology = Physical geology is a branch of geology that studies the physical things of Earth, such as rocks, minerals, ''the very soil your house is sitting on right now'', and internal and external events, such as tectonic plate movements, weathering, and volcanism. It also focuses on how Earth works, like how mountains are formed and erosion. * The study of igneous, metamorphic, sedimentary rocks, and their formation. * Understand the Earth’s interior structure, such as moving lithospheric plates, volcanoes, and earthquakes. * Examine erosion, weathering, glaciation, and water action that change the very landscape as you read this. * Be able to identify the stone and minerals you walk on every single day. == Igneous == [[File:Granite_(pgpf_dike_facies,_Pikes_Peak_Batholith,_Mesoproterozoic,_1.08_GA;_Pikes_Peak,_Colorado,_USA)_2_(31566463242).jpg|alt=An image of granite.|thumb|A piece of the intrusive igneous rocks, granite.]] Igneous rocks are rocks formed when molten rock, magma or lava, cools and solidifies. Intrusive igneous rocks are slow-cooled inside Earth and coarse-grained. Ten examples of intrusive igneous rocks include: # Granite<ref>A common heavy, dense, and highly durable white-to-pink feldspar and dark flakes of biotite or amphibole coarse-grained rock </ref> # Gabbro<ref>A underground equivelent of basalt, dense, coarse-grained identifiable by its dark color, heavy feel, and crystalline texture</ref> # Diorite # Peridotite # Pegmatite # Syenite # Granodiorite # Diabase # Aplite # Anorthosite [[File:Olivine basalt (Cedar Canyon, Iron County, Utah, USA) 6 (48679986543).jpg|alt=An image of basalt.|thumb|A piece of the extrusive igneous rocks, basalt.]] Extrusive igneous rocks are rapidly-cooled outside the Earth and are generally smooth and shiny, but they can be porous or "bubbly". Ten examples of extrusive igneous rocks include: # Basalt # Andesite # Rhyolite # Obsidian # Pumice # Scoria # Tuff # Dacite # Pitchstone # Phonolite == Metamorphic == [[File:Slate Macro 1.JPG|alt=An image of slate.|thumb|A piece of the metamorphic rocks, slate.]] Metamorphic rocks are pre-existing rocks (igneous, sedimentary, or other metamorphic rocks) transformed by intense heat, pressure, and chemically active fluids deep within the Earth's crust. These rocks are characterized by recrystallization without melting, leading to changes in mineralogy and texture, often producing foliated (layered) or non-foliated structures. Ten examples of metamorphic rocks are: # Slate # Phyllite # Schist # Gneiss # Marble # Quartzite # Amphibolite # Hornfels # Migmatite # Eclogite [[File:Quartzose sandstone (Berea Sandstone, Upper Devonian to Lower Mississippian; Rocky Fork, Gahanna, Ohio, USA) 2 (34247836980).jpg|alt=An image of sandstone.|thumb|A piece of the sedimentary rocks, sandstone.]] == Sedimentary == Sedimentary rocks are formed at the Earth's surface by the accumulation, compaction, and cementation of sediments, like mineral particles or organic matter. They often form in layers and are identified by their banded appearance, presence of fossils, and softer, porous nature. Ten examples of sedimentary rocks include: # Sandstone # Limestone # Shale # Conglomerate # Breccia # Siltstone # Dolostone # Chert # Coal # Gypsum = Understanding Earth's Insides = Now that you have learned the three different categories of rock identification, let's learn about the stuff right under you! == Lithospheric Plates == Lithospheric plates, or tectonic plates, are large, rigid, moving segments of Earth's outermost layer, comprising the crust and upper mantle. Ranging from 40–280 km thick, they essentially "float" on the pliable asthenosphere, fitting together like a giant puzzle. The main three events that happen with lithospheric plates include: * '''Convergent (Colliding):''' Plates collide, causing subduction or mountain building. * '''Divergent (Spreading):''' Plates move apart, creating new crust. * '''Transform (Sliding):''' Plates slide past one another, often causing earthquakes. == Volcanoes == Volcanoes begin as magma deep within the Earth, created by heat and pressure at tectonic plate boundaries or hotspots. This buoyant magma rises through cracks in the crust, collecting in chambers before erupting as lava, ash, and gases. Solidifying layers build mountains over time. Some types include: * '''Magma vs. Lava:''' Magma is molten rock below the surface; once it erupts, it is called lava. * '''Composite Volcanoes (Stratovolcanoes):''' Tall, steep cones built by layers of ash and thick lava. * '''Shield Volcanoes:''' Broad, gentle slopes formed by fluid, runny lava. * '''Cinder Cones:''' Small, simple, cone-shaped volcanoes built from blobs of congealed lava And the three states include: * '''Active:''' Currently erupting or showing signs of, or expected to, erupt soon. * '''Dormant:''' Not currently active, but has erupted recently and may erupt again. * '''Extinct:''' Not expected to erupt again. === How They Happen === Volcanic eruptions are driven by pressure from dissolved gases in the magma, which expand as the magma rises. Eruptions can be explosive (releasing ash and rock) or effusive (releasing lava flows). == Earthquakes == An earthquake is the intense shaking of Earth's surface caused by the sudden release of energy in the crust, typically when tectonic plates shift and slip along faults. These events occur due to built-up stress, creating seismic waves that shake the ground. === How Earthquakes Occur === * '''Tectonic Plate Movement:''' The Earth's crust is divided into massive plates that constantly move and slide past one another. * '''Fault Lines:''' When these plates get stuck but continue pushing, stress builds up until the rock fractures and breaks along faults. * '''Energy Release:''' This sudden release of stress produces seismic waves, which travel through the ground, causing shaking at the surface. === Key Terminology and Locations === * '''Hypocenter (Focus):''' The location ''below'' the Earth's surface where the earthquake starts. * '''Epicenter:''' The point on the Earth's surface ''directly above'' the hypocenter, often experiencing the most intense shaking. * '''Mainshock & Aftershocks:''' The main earthquake is the mainshock, while smaller, subsequent shakes in the same area are aftershocks. * '''Fault Types:''' Includes strike-slip (sliding past), normal (pulling apart), and thrust (pushing over) faults. While most earthquakes are tectonic, they can also be triggered by volcanic activity, landslides, or human activities like mining and hydraulic fracturing. = Events That Change The Land = Since you have now learned about Earth's internal components, let's focus on the things that change the very land! == Erosion == Erosion is the natural process of wearing away and transporting soil, rock, and sediment by agents like water, wind, and ice, often leading to landscape changes like mountains shrinking or riverbanks eroding. It decreases agricultural productivity, causes ecological damage, and is distinct from weathering because it includes transportation of material, whereas weathering only breaks it down. The three main types include: * '''Water Erosion:''' Includes splash, sheet, rill, and gully erosion. * '''Wind Erosion:''' Occurs through deflation, removing loose soil and sand. * '''Ice Erosion:''' Glacial movement that carves valleys and moves debris. '''Examples:''' Rain washing soil from hills, ocean waves reshaping coastlines, and rivers carving canyons. '''Effects:''' Land degradation, loss of nutrient-rich topsoil, destruction of habitats, and potential desertification. '''Erosion vs. Weathering:''' Weathering is the immediate breakdown of rocks (disintegration), while erosion is the removal and transport of that material to a new location. Erosion can act as a natural "cleaning" process but, when accelerated by human activity (e.g., deforestation, construction), it causes massive on-site and off-site damage. == Weathering == Weathering is the breakdown of rocks, soils, and minerals at/or near the Earth's surface through physical, chemical, and biological processes. Driven by water, ice, temperature changes, and organisms, it transforms bedrock into sediment, creating landscapes like the Grand Canyon. It differs from erosion, which transports these materials. The three main types of weathering are: * '''Physical/Mechanical Weathering:''' Breaks rocks into smaller pieces without changing their composition, often through ice wedging, thermal expansion, or salt crystallization. * '''Chemical Weathering:''' Alters the molecular structure of minerals, causing them to dissolve or break down, often via water, oxygen, or acids. * '''Biological Weathering:''' Occurs when living organisms (roots, burrowing animals, bacteria) break down rocks. === Primary Causes and Processes === ==== Physical Processes: ==== * '''Frost Wedging (Cryofracturing):''' Water seeps into cracks, freezes, and expands, splitting the rock. * '''Thermal Expansion:''' Constant heating and cooling in desert environments cause rocks to weaken and peel (exfoliation). * '''Pressure Release:''' As overlying rock is removed, underlying rock expands and cracks. ==== Chemical Processes: ==== * '''Oxidation:''' Oxygen reacts with iron-containing minerals, creating iron oxide (rust). * '''Carbonation/Dissolution:''' Rainwater mixed with CO2 creates weak carbonic acid that dissolves rocks like limestone. * '''Hydrolysis:''' Water reacts with minerals to break them down, often forming clay. ==== Biological Processes: ==== * Tree roots grow into crevices and pry rocks apart, while burrowing animals expose new surfaces to air and water. Weathering constantly changes the landscape, wearing away surfaces to form landforms such as arches, pedestals, and sea caves. It is essential for soil formation and prepares rock material to be moved by erosion. Human activity, such as burning fossil fuels, accelerates chemical weathering through acid rain. == Deposition == Deposition is the process where transported sediments, such as rock fragments, soil, debris, or organic matter, settle and are laid down in new locations as transporting agents (water, wind, ice) lose energy. It builds up landforms like deltas, beaches, and sand dunes, acting as the final step in the erosion-transport-deposition cycle. * '''Process:''' As water or wind velocity decreases, the transporting medium can no longer carry sediment load, causing particles to sink and settle. Larger particles typically settle first. === Forms of Deposition: === * '''Fluvial (Rivers):''' Creates floodplains, deltas, and alluvial fans. * '''Aeolian (Wind):''' Forms sand dunes and loess deposits. * '''Glacial (Ice):''' Deposits moraines, drumlins, and erratic boulders. * '''Marine (Ocean):''' Creates beaches, spits, and deep-sea sediment layers. A function of deposition is that it forms new land, creates sedimentary rock layers (through compaction/cementation over time), and contributes to, or degrades, habitats. A method of managing deposition is by controlling water velocity and reducing erosion sources, such as by managing agricultural runoff or stabilizing shorelines to reduce coastal erosion. = Historical Geology = While physical geology studies the ''current'' things about earth, historical geology studies the things that happened to earth in the ''past'', like how Theia crashed into Earth and made the moon or how the first ever cyanobacteria developed oxygen out of methane and carbon dioxide during the Proterozoic Eon. In Historical Geology, you will learn about: * the Paleozoic Era (The Age of Ancient Life): 252-541M years ago. * the Mesozoic Era (The Age of Reptiles): 66-252M years ago. * the Cenozoic Era (The Age of Mammals): current era. * and the Precambrian Eons; explained later on and how creatures of their times affected our modern world. == The Precambrian Eons == There isn't a Precambrian Era, but it consists of 3 eons, the Precambrian Eons. It also includes a period. These include: * the Hadean Eon: 4.6-4.0B years ago (Earth was molten and bombarded by asteroids). * the Archean Eon: 4.0-2.5B years ago (Earth's crust cooled, forming oceans and single-celled life): Neoarchean: 2.8-2.5B years ago (stabilized Earth's crust into the first continents, oxygen-producing cyanobacteria rose, initiating photosynthesis). * the Proterozoic Eon: 2.5B-541M years ago (cyanobacteria filled Earth with oxygen, setting up complex life); Cryogenian: 720-635M (Earth dramatically cools, glaciers stretch to the equator, Earth is almost completely encased in ice) * the Ediacaran Period: 635-538M years ago (massive global ice ages melt, soft multicellular organisms evolve, tube and disc-shaped dominate the sea floor). == Periods Of The Paleozoic Era == * Cambrian: 541-485M years ago (major animals are aquatic, trilobites and brachiopods rule, jawless fish emerge, super-continent Gondwana forms near the South Pole, the rest is bare rock) * Ordovician: 485-443M years ago (coral reefs begin to form, moss-like plants and fungi emerge on land, ice age starts, freezing oceans with glaciers, causing a mass extinction). * Silurian: 443-419M years ago (Earth's climate stabilizes, glaciers melt, sea levels rise, vascular plants with stems evolve, early spiders, centipedes, and insects move onto land). * Devonian: 419-359M years ago (fish develop armored scales and sharp jaws, trees and deep-rooted forests appear, tetrapods evolve from lobe-finned fish and crawl onto mudflats, rapid cooling and oxygen drops in the ocean causes another mass extinction). * Carboniferous: 359-299M years ago (tropical swamp forests cover the continents and die, forming coal beds, oxygen levels rise to 35% letting massive insects to evolve, animals lay amniotic eggs, allowing them to breed away from water). * Permian: 299-252M years ago (every continent collided, forming Pangea, Pangea's size creates vast, dry deserts in the interior, synapsids and reptiles spread across the dry land, massive volcanic eruptions in modern-day Siberia wipe out 95% of marine life). == Periods Of The Mesozoic Era == * Triassic: 252-201M (Pangea starts to crack apart, Earth is hot and dry, dinosaurs and mammals first evolve). * Jurassic: 201-145M (oceans flood continental rifts, giant plant-eating dinosaurs dominate, first birds take flight). * Cretaceous: 145-66M (flowering plants appear, Tyrannosaurus rex rules the land, asteroid impact wipes out dinosaurs). == Periods Of The Cenozoic Era == * Paleogene: 66-23M (climate is warm and tropical, mammals grow much larger, birds diversify rapidly). * Neogene: 23-2.6M (global temperatures cool down, vast grasslands spread, early human ancestors evolve). * Quaternary: 2.6M-present (giant ice ages over continents, modern humans spread globally, large mammals go extinct). == How The Mountains Were Made == * Taconic Orogeny: 450M years ago (an island arc collides with eastern North America, creating volcanic roots of the early Appalachian mountains). * Alleghenian Orogeny: 325-260M (Africa collides with North America during the assembly of Pangea, lifting the Appalachian Mountains to the height of the modern Himalayas). == Theia, The Moon, And Earth == [[File:FullMoon2010.jpg|alt=An image of the Moon.|thumb|The Moon]] About 4.5 billion years ago, the early Earth was molten and hot. Theia: a rogue planet roughly the size of Mars, flying through space at 25,000 miles per hour (40,000 km/h). Then, Theia delivered an off-center, blow to Earth. If it had been a head-on collision, both planets would have been pulverized into space dust. === The Ultimate Splatter Zone === The impact was so violent that it completely vaporized Theia and blasted a massive chunk of Earth’s outer crust into orbit. For a brief period, Earth looked a bit like Saturn, surrounded by a glowing, ring of molten rock and debris. You might think it took billions of years for that debris to form our Moon, but gravity does not like to wait around. Scientists estimate that the ring clumped together to form the Moon incredibly fast—potentially in less than a century, or even just a few months. === The Proof Is In The Moon Rocks === When Apollo astronauts brought rocks back from the Moon, scientists checked their "chemical DNA" (oxygen isotopes). Usually, planets from different parts of the solar system have completely unique chemical signatures. But the Moon's rocks perfectly matched the Earth's crust. === How Theia Changed Earth Forever === Without this catastrophic cosmic car crash, life as we know it wouldn't exist. Theia left behind three permanent parting gifts: * Our Seasons: The impact hit Earth so hard it knocked our planet onto a permanent 23.5-degree tilt. Without Theia, we wouldn't have Summer, Fall, Winter, or Spring. * A Supercharged Core: Theia’s heavy iron core sank straight into the molten Earth and merged with our own. This gave Earth a massive magnetic field, acting like a giant shield that blocks deadly solar radiation. * Longer Days: Right after the crash, an Earth day lasted only 5 hours because the planet was spinning at breakneck speed. The Moon's gravity has spent the last 4.5 billion years acting like a brake pad, slowing our spin down to a comfortable 24 hours. == Largest Creatures Of Each Period == There are thousands of millions of different creatures that spawn from each period, but these are the largest of each: * Cambrian: Anomalocaris (a small three-foot-long marine predator with giant armored eyes and grasping claws that ruled the shallow seas). * Ordovician: Cameroceras (a massive twenty-foot-long straight-shelled squid that dominated the deep ocean). *Silurian: Pterygotus (a huge seven-foot-long sea scorpion with large flattening swimming paddles and sharp crushing claws that prowled the shallow coastal waters). *Devonian: Dunkleosteus (a terrifying thirty-foot-long armored predator fish with bone-shearing jaw plates instead of teeth that terrorized the deep seas). *Carboniferous: Arthropleura (a monstrous eight-foot-long land-dwelling millipede with a heavily armored, multi-segmented body that patrolled the lush forests). *Permian: Moschops (a heavy-set fifteen-foot-long mammal-like reptile with a barrel shaped body and a thick barrel-vaulted skull that roamed the ground). *Triassic: Shastasaurus (a gigantic seventy-foot-long marine reptile with a highly elongated toothless snout and slender flippers that commanded the open oceans). *Jurassic: Maraapunisaurus (a colossal 115-foot-long long-necked sauropod dinosaur with whip-like tails and massive column-like legs that stomped across the land). * Cretaceous: Patagotitan (a titanic ninety-foot-long sauropod dinosaur with a small head, immensely long neck, and heavy pillar legs that reigned over the continents). * Paleogene: Basilosaurus (a predatory sixty-foot-long early whale with an extremely elongated eel-like body and small vestigial hind legs that haunted the ancient seas). * Neogene: Megalodon (a ferocious fifty-foot-long apex predator shark with robust, triangular serrated teeth the size of a human hand that controlled the global oceans). * Quaternary: Blue whale (an immense one hundred-foot-long marine mammal with a streamlined, mottled blue-gray body and expansive baleen plates that inhabits the modern oceans). == Fossils == Fossils are the preserved remains, impressions, or traces of ancient life trapped inside Earth's crust. They act as nature's time capsules, allowing historical geologists to reconstruct vanished ecosystems, track evolution over millions of years, and pinpoint the exact ages of rock layers. === Types Of Fossilization === Animals and plants turn into fossils in several distinct ways, depending on how they were buried and what minerals were nearby: * Petrification: Mineral-rich water seeps into organic cavities and turns the original bone or wood entirely into solid rock (like petrified wood). * Molds and Casts: An organism dissolves inside a rock layer, leaving an empty hollow space (a mold) that later fills with sediment to create a perfect replica copy (a cast). * Carbonization: Intense underground heat and pressure squeeze out all liquids and gases, leaving a flat, thin, black film of carbon on the rock (common for leaves and fish). * Preservation: The rarest form where an entire organism is kept perfectly intact by being frozen in ice, dried out in caves, or trapped inside sticky tree sap (amber). * Trace Fossils: Rather than saving the body itself, these capture the active behavior of ancient life, including fossilized footprints, feeding burrows, and coprolites (fossilized poop). === How Geologists Use Fossils === Fossils are not just museum display pieces; they are essential field tools used by geologists to solve mysteries about Earth's past: * Index Fossils: Certain creatures (like Trilobites) lived everywhere on Earth but only for a very short geological timeframe. Finding one instantly reveals the exact age of that rock layer. * Ancient Climates (Paleoclimate): Finding a fossilized tropical palm tree or crocodile in modern-day Antarctica proves the freezing continent was once a warm, swampy jungle. * Continental Drift Evidence: Discovering the exact same freshwater reptile fossils in both South America and Africa helped prove the continents were once physically joined together. == Mass Extinctions == Earth's history has been completely rewritten five different times by catastrophic events known as the "Big Five" mass extinctions. These events wiped out the dominant species of their time, clearing the way for entirely new creatures to evolve. * Ordovician-Silurian Extinction: Intense global cooling and freezing ice ages locked up Earth's water, causing sea levels to drop drastically and destroying the shallow ocean habitats. * Late Devonian Extinction: A massive drop in ocean oxygen levels suffocated marine life, hitting reef-building creatures and armored predator fish the hardest. * Permian-Triassic Extinction ("The Great Dying"): The most devastating extinction in Earth's history, caused by massive volcanic eruptions in Siberia. It released toxic gases, triggered severe global warming, and wiped out 96% of all marine species. * Triassic-Jurassic Extinction: Huge underwater volcanic rifts opened up as Pangea began to split apart, raising carbon dioxide levels and triggering rapid climate changes that eliminated early reptiles. * Cretaceous-Paleogene Extinction: A massive six-mile-wide asteroid smashed into modern-day Mexico, triggering global wildfires, a nuclear winter, and blocking out the sun, which famously wiped out all non-avian dinosaurs. == Supercontinents == A supercontinent is a single, massive landmass made up of most or all of Earth's continental crust smashed together. Driven by tectonic plate movements, Earth goes through a "supercontinent cycle" roughly every 300 to 500 million years, where landmasses continually crash together, break apart, and scatter. === The Timeline Of Earth's Major Supercontinents === * Vaalbara (3.6 to 2.8 Billion Years Ago): Earth's earliest known hypothetical supercontinent, forming when the planet was mostly ocean and small volcanic island chains collided. * Kenorland (2.7 to 2.1 Billion Years Ago): Formed near the equator during the Neoarchean era, its breakup eventually triggered a massive global ice age due to rapid climate shifts. * Columbia / Nuna (1.8 to 1.3 Billion Years Ago): A giant landmass stretching across the globe that marked the first time large, modern continental blocks fully assembled. * Rodinia (1.1 Billion to 750 Million Years Ago): A massive supercontinent surrounded entirely by the Mirovia ocean, centered around modern-day North America before fracturing apart into a freezing, ice-covered Earth. * Pannotia (633 to 550 Million Years Ago): A short-lived landmass clustered near the South Pole that formed just before the Cambrian explosion of complex marine life. * Gondwana (550 to 175 Million Years Ago): An ancient southern supercontinent composed of modern-day South America, Africa, Antarctica, India, and Australia. It existed as its own massive entity for millions of years before merging into Pangea, and then splitting back apart later. * Pangea (335 to 175 Million Years Ago): The most famous C-shaped supercontinent that united almost all of Earth's dry land, including the northern landmass of Laurasia and the southern landmass of Gondwana, creating a single home for early dinosaurs. === How Supercontinents Altered Earth's Climate And Crust === The formation of a supercontinent completely breaks the planet's normal systems, creating extreme environments found nowhere on modern Earth: * Hyperarid Interior Deserts: Because the landmass is so incredibly wide, rain clouds from the surrounding oceans dry up completely before they can ever reach the center. This creates massive, lifeless "super-deserts" in the heart of the continent. * Mega-Monsoons: The vast temperature difference between the roasting-hot interior landmass and the cold surrounding super-ocean creates violent, seasonal shifting winds, resulting in catastrophic monsoon downpours along the coastlines. * The "Snowball Earth" Effect: When supercontinents split apart, they create brand new coastlines that rapidly absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. This can drop global temperatures so fiercely that ice sheets completely cover the planet from poles to equator. * Mantle Superplumes and Volcanic Traps: When a supercontinent sits over one spot on Earth's crust for millions of years, it acts like an insulating blanket. Heat builds up directly underneath it, eventually triggering colossal volcanic eruptions (large igneous provinces) that rip the continent apart and spew toxic gases into the atmosphere. === How Geologists Prove They Existed === * Matching Coastlines: The continental shelves of separate continents (like South America and Africa) fit together perfectly like giant jigsaw puzzle pieces. * Fossil Belts: Identical ancient plant and animal fossils are found in narrow strips across oceans where the continents used to touch. * Matching Mountain Ranges: Rock layers and mountain chains (like the Appalachians in North America and the Scottish Highlands) share the exact same age, type, and composition. * Paleomagnetism (Magnetic Alignment): When volcanic rocks cool, iron minerals inside them align perfectly with Earth's magnetic north pole like tiny compass needles. Geologists measure this locked-in magnetic angle to calculate exactly where a continent was located on the globe millions of years ago. * Orogenic (Mountain Building) Belts: When tectonic plates crash together to form a supercontinent, the immense pressure crumples the crust upwards, leaving behind massive global scars of matching metamorphic rock layers across modern state and country borders. * Global Mineral Belts: Highly specific copper, gold, and uranium deposits match up perfectly in straight lines when you stitch the continents back together, showing they were formed by the exact same underground magma chambers. === How Supercontinents Drive Evolution === The locking together and breaking apart of landmasses acts as the ultimate evolutionary accelerator for life on Earth: * The Isolation Engine: When a supercontinent fractures into smaller islands and separate continents, animal populations become completely isolated from one another. This forces rapid, localized evolution to fill unique environmental niches (similar to how Madagascar or Australia evolved highly unique wildlife). * The Competition Arena: Conversely, when continents crash together into a single landmass, previously isolated species are forced to compete for the same food sources and habitats. This triggers massive evolutionary "arms races" where only the fittest, most adaptable creatures survive. === Future Supercontinents (The Next 250 Million Years) === Because tectonic plates never stop moving at a rate of a few centimeters per year, scientists have calculated four potential layouts for Earth's next ultimate supercontinent: * Pangea Ultima: A configuration where the Atlantic Ocean slows down, reverses direction, and closes completely—bringing the Americas crashing back into Africa and Europe. * Novopangea: A layout where the Pacific Ocean closes entirely instead of the Atlantic, causing the Americas to slam straight into Asia and Australia. * Aurica: A scenario where both the Atlantic and Pacific oceans close down completely, forcing a brand new ocean basin to rip open right through the center of modern Asia. * Amasia: A unique collision where all continents drift northward, clustering together directly over the North Pole, leaving Antarctica isolated at the bottom of the world. <references /> {{DEFAULTSORT:Geoguide}} [[Category:Shelf:Geology]] b8ubyy84qf5cmsl7o160emw1kfphou4 0 483834 4654208 4639522 2026-07-12T15:44:58Z Kittycataclysm 3371989 needs denest 4654208 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Denest}} '''''Fundamentals of Mechanics''''' is a new Wikibooks project that aims to offer a thorough treatment of undergraduate-level [[w:Mechanics|mechanics]] with real-world context, worked-out examples, and automatically graded practice and assessment content. If you would like to contribute, please check out the [[/Manual of Style/]] before you get started. == Contents == <ol start="0"> <li>[[/Preface/]]</li> <li>[[/Units and Vectors/]]</li> <li>[[/Kinematics/]]</li> <li>[[/Newton's Laws/]]</li> <li>[[/Work and Energy/]]</li> <li>[[/Impulse, Momentum, and Collisions/]]</li> <li>[[/System of Particles/]]</li> <li>[[/Rotation of Rigid Bodies/]]</li> <li>[[/Rolling and Static Equilibrium/]]</li> <li>[[/Central Force Motion/]]</li> <li>[[/Oscillatory Motion/]]</li> <li>[[/Appendices/]]</li> </ol> {{Alphabetical|F}} {{Shelves|mechanics}} {{Status|0%}} elxpyvm6s2n8kt5au870tiyf2l6acrq 0 483836 4654207 4639698 2026-07-12T15:43:49Z Kittycataclysm 3371989 flag 4654207 wikitext text/x-wiki {{AI-suspected|reason=issues with citations, improper list formatting, excessive linking to enWP, categories that don't match WB structure}} Imagine finding an interesting, funny, or aesthetic image online and wanting to use it for a presentation, lesson, or social media post. Even though the image is easy to find, that doesn't mean we can use it carelessly. Most works on the internet are automatically protected by copyright. As a result, many people feel confused, even afraid to use other people's work for fear of breaking the law. The law is no joke. On the other hand, many creators actually want to share their work with the public so they can learn, create, and collaborate. However, copyright law often doesn't provide a simple way to state that a work can be used by others under certain conditions. This issue gave rise to Creative Commons, a movement that seeks to strike a balance between protecting creators' rights and the public's need to share knowledge.<ref name=":0">{{Cite web |title=Public Domain |url=https://creativecommons.org/public-domain/ |access-date=2026-06-09 |website=Creative Commons |language=en-US}}</ref> == History == === Copyright Tensions in the Present === The development of the internet has transformed the way people access and disseminate information. While books, music, and other works were once available only in physical form, now they can be shared with just a few clicks. This presents new challenges. On the one hand, creators want their rights respected and honored. On the other hand, the public needs broader access to knowledge, culture, and learning resources. Copyright laws in effect at the time tended to apply the ''all rights reserved'' principle.<ref>{{Cite web |title=2. Copyright Law |url=https://ec2-3-130-221-114.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/course/cc-cert-edu/unit-2-copyright-law/2-copyright-law/ |access-date=2026-06-09 |website=Creative Commons |language=en-US}}</ref> This meant that any use of another person's work essentially required permission from the copyright owner. This situation created tensions. Many works that could have benefited education, research, or public creativity became difficult to access or reuse. Open culture activists began to question whether this system still aligned with the needs of today's society. === Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act: Extended Copyright === In 1998, the United States passed a law called the [[w:Copyright_Term_Extension_Act|Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act]] (CTEA). This law extended the term of copyright protection for 20 years.<ref>{{Cite web |last=you |first=FindLaw or one of our contributing authors We make every effort to keep our articles updated For information regarding a specific legal issue affecting |last2=Area |first2=Please Contact an Attorney in Your |title=Term of Copyright Protection Extended by 20 Years |url=https://corporate.findlaw.com/intellectual-property/term-of-copyright-protection-extended-by-20-years.html |access-date=2026-06-09 |website=FindLaw |language=en-US}}</ref> Previously, certain works would enter the public domain after their copyright protection period expired. The public domain is a condition where a work can be freely used by anyone without requiring permission from the creator.<ref name=":0" /> However, due to the passage of the copyright extension, many works that should have immediately become public domain had to wait even longer. This copyright extension then sparked debate about the true purpose of the copyright system. Many questioned whether copyright was solely intended to protect creators, or whether it should also support the dissemination of knowledge and culture. Academics, librarians, educators, and cultural activists considered this policy to hinder public access to various works of historical and educational value. === Eldred vs. Ashcroft: The Lawsuit That Changed History === The debate over copyright extensions reached its peak in the case of Eldred vs. Ashcroft. The case was brought by [[w:Eric_Eldred|Eric Eldred]], an online publisher managing a collection of literary works that had entered the public domain. Eldred argued that copyright extensions were hindering his efforts to provide the public with access to classic works.<ref name=":1">{{Cite book |last=Lessig |first=Lawrence |title=Free Culture - How Big Media Uses Technology and the Law to Lock Down Culture and Control Creativity |publisher=Penguin |year=2004}}</ref> Eldred was accompanied by [[w:Lawrence_Lessig|Lawrence Lessig]], a law professor known as a proponent of the free sharing of knowledge in the digital age. They argued that continuing to extend copyright extensions contradicted the spirit of the United States Constitution, which aims to encourage the advancement of science and the arts.<ref name=":1" /> In 2003, they finally reached the United States Supreme Court. Although the court ruled in favor of upholding the law, Eldred and his team lost the lawsuit. Lawrence Lessig and his colleagues realized that directly changing copyright law was no easy task.<ref name=":1" /> Therefore, they began searching for alternative solutions that could help creators share their works legally without having to change the existing legal system. This led to the birth of the idea of ​​Creative Commons. == Birth of Creative Commons == In 2001, Lessig, along with [[w:Hal_Abelson|Abelson]], Eldred, and several others, founded the non-profit organization Creative Commons (CC).<ref name=":2">{{Cite web |title=History |url=https://creativecommons.org/history/ |access-date=2026-06-09 |website=Creative Commons |language=en-US}}</ref> This organization was founded with the goal of providing a simple way for creators to share their work with the public. While the previous copyright system only recognized the principle of ''all rights reserved,'' this organization offered a new approach, often summarized as ''some rights reserved.'' Through this approach, creators retain the rights to their work but can grant specific permissions to the public. This allows others to clearly understand what is and is not permitted to do with a work without having to contact the creators individually. In 2002, Creative Commons launched its first license. Since then, Creative Commons licenses have been used by millions of people in various countries.<ref name=":2" /> === Definition === Creative Commons (CC) is an international non-profit organization that provides a set of open copyright licenses to help creators legally share their work with the public. For example, a work can be used by anyone as long as the creator's name is credited. Some licenses also allow modification of the work, restrict commercial use, or require derivative works to be redistributed under the same license. Therefore, CC does not eliminate copyright, but rather works on top of the existing copyright system and provides creators with more flexible options.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Licenses List - Creative Commons |url=https://creativecommons.org/licenses/ |access-date=2026-06-09 |website=creativecommons.org}}</ref> === Purpose === Creative Commons was founded to achieve several important goals, including:<ref>{{Cite web |title=Program Areas |url=https://creativecommons.org/about/program-areas/ |access-date=2026-06-09 |website=Creative Commons |language=en-US}}</ref> 1. Facilitating the legal sharing of works. 2. Expanding access to knowledge and culture. 3. Encouraging creativity and innovation. 4. Supporting open education. 5. Building global collaboration. == Development == By 2003, the number of works using CC licenses had reached approximately one million.<ref name=":2" /> This number has continued to grow with the growth of the internet and the open knowledge movement. Today, CC licenses are used by various organizations, educational institutions, digital libraries, museums, researchers, governments, and content creators. Many major platforms also utilize CC licenses to support the spread of knowledge and creativity. The most well-known examples are the projects of the Wikimedia Foundation, including Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons, which enable millions of people to access and use information openly.<ref>{{Cite web |title=About |url=https://network.creativecommons.org/about/ |access-date=2026-06-09 |website=CC Global Network}}</ref> According to the latest data, there are more than 2.5 billion CC-licensed works available worldwide.<ref>{{Cite news |title=Creative Commons {{!}} Organization, History, & Facts {{!}} Britannica |language=en |work=Encyclopedia Britannica |url=https://www.britannica.com/topic/Creative-Commons |access-date=2026-06-09}}</ref> This number demonstrates that CC has grown into one of the largest knowledge-sharing movements in internet history. == How to Get Involved? == Creative Commons isn't just for academics, researchers, or large organizations. Anyone can participate in this movement. 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Without realizing it, we are contributing to the creation of a more open, collaborative, and beneficial digital environment for many. -Assignment 1 Muhammad Raihan CC License == References == {{BookCat}} <references /> [[Category:Creative Commons]] [[Category:Education]] 5p75si0yjr33jaik3rdf4x59m5hlx1d 0 484072 4654274 4642289 2026-07-13T04:17:25Z ~2026-38492-64 3612451 4654274 wikitext text/x-wiki {{qr-scope|reason=Does not appear book-like in scope or construction}} Start with a rim that is round and true make sure you have the correct number of holes the same on the flange of the hub and the rim make sure you have the correct spoke length, you can use a spoke length calculator as found on ebikes.ca or in the case of a pedego bike look up the correct spoke length in the pedego price list. Find the valve stem on the rim. Start on the right side with correct spoke length, Les: Key spoke first spoke, place the first spoke to the right of the valve hole with the head facing out. Follow spokes around second hole if their is two lines of holes or every fourth hole if their is one line of hole Place the b spoke on the next hole to the right on the opposite side with heads out continue around Place the c spoke with head on inward side on first side of flange establishing cross pattern, continue around placing in every second hole if their is two lines of holes or every fourth hole if theirs is one line of hole Place the d spoke with with head on inward side establishing cross pattern on other side, continue around placing in every second hole if their is two lines of holes or every fourth hole if theirs is one line of hole Clayton: as you put on nipples just cover the threads, then tension afterwards Wheel should be relatively true. If wheel is not true must radially and laterally true. Start with lateral true. Use calipers on trueing stand to adjust left and right. Radial true. Bumps should be fixed by tightening spokes. (To bring closer to hub) dips should be improved by loosening spokes. When reasonably true check dishing. Place in wheel and check centred in frame and chain not contacting wheel. Check wheel dish is it centred in the rear triangle. Pull to the left by tightening left hand spokes or loosening right, pull to the right by tightening right hand spokes or loosening the left. Make sure chain is not rubbing against tire in low gear. Radial true, set caliper below wheel Bumps (farther from hub) should be removed by tightening spokes, low spots should be removed by loosening spokes Les: It is important to due radial true of the entire wheel simultatneously as small adjustments propogate throughout the wheel bring up tension uniformly by tightening all spokes by a quarter turn completely around the wheel tension balance by tightening lower tensions spokes and loosening nearby spokes on the same side or tightening spokes on opposite side, loosen high tensions spokes and loosen on opposite side or tension nearby spoke on same side. 3l4kbnzmrjgelh9wnlo63uw8031yzus 0 484603 4654259 4654187 2026-07-12T19:14:44Z JustTheFacts33 3434282 /* Position 8, Engine */ 4654259 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Warning}}{{clear}} ===Positions 1–3, World Manufacturer Identifier:=== * YS3 - Saab passenger car * YK1 - Saab passenger car made by Valmet in Finland ('81-'83) * JF4 - Saab passenger car made by Subaru in Japan ('05-'06 9-2X) * 3G0 - Saab MPV made by GM in Mexico ('11 9-4X) * 5S3 - Saab MPV made by GM in US ('05-'09 9-7X) ===Positions 4, Model Line:=== * A = 900 (1st gen. - '81-'93, '94 convertible) * C = 9000 ('86-'98) * D = 900 (2nd gen. - '94-'98 3-d/5-d, '95-'98 convertible) * D = 9-3 (1st gen. - '99-'02, '03 convertible) * E = 9-5 (1st gen. - '99-'09) * F = 9-3 (2nd gen. - '03-'11 4-d, '04-'11 convertible, '06-'11 wagon) * G = 9-5 (2nd gen. - '10-'11) ===Positions 6, Body Style:=== * 2 = 2-dr. sedan ('85-'86 900) * 3 = 3-dr. hatchback ('81-'98 900, '99-'02 9-3) * 4 = 4-dr. sedan ('81-'93 900, '03-'11 9-3, '89-'95 9000, '99-'11 9-5) * 5 = 5-dr. hatchback ('94-'98 900, '99-'02 9-3, '86-'92 9000) * 5 = 5-dr. wagon ('99-'09 9-5 wagon/SportCombi, '06-'11 9-3 SportCombi) * 6 = 5-dr. hatchback ('93-'98 9000) * 7 = 2-dr. convertible ('86-'98 900, '99-'11 9-3) ===Positions 7, Transmission: ('84+)=== * 5 = 5-spd. manual ('84-'93 900, '94 900 convertible, '86-'98 9000) * 6 = 3-spd. automatic ('84-'93 900, '94 900 convertible) * 6 = 6-spd. manual ('03-'07 9-3) * 8 = 4-spd. automatic ('94-'98 900, '99-'02 9-3, '03 9-3 convertible, '86-'98 9000, '99-'01 9-5) * 9 = 5-spd. automatic ('02-'07 9-5) * 1 = 6-spd. automatic ('06-'07 9-3 Aero 2.8T) * 1 = 6-spd. automatic, FWD ('08-'09 9-3 Aero 2.8T) * 2 = 6-spd. automatic, AWD ('08-'09 9-3 Aero 2.8T, '08 9-3 Turbo X, '09 9-3 2.0T XWD) * 5 = 5-spd. manual, FWD ('08-'09 9-5) * 6 = 6-spd. manual, FWD ('08-'09 9-3) * 7 = 6-spd. manual, AWD ('08-'09 9-3 Aero 2.8T, '08 9-3 Turbo X, '09 9-3 2.0T XWD) * 9 = 5-spd. automatic, FWD ('08-'09 9-3 2.0T FWD, '08-'09 9-5) * A = 6-spd. automatic, FWD ('11 9-5) * B = 6-spd. automatic, AWD ('10-'11 9-3, '10-'11 9-5) * C = 5-spd. automatic, FWD ('10-'11 9-3) * M = 6-spd. manual, FWD ('10-'11 9-3, '11 9-5) * N = 6-spd. manual, AWD ('10-'11 9-3) ===Position 8, Engine=== *A = 2.3L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B235L I4 ('04-'05 9-5 Arc) *B = 2.3L DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B234I I4 <br> (Mid '90 9000 S, '91-'92 9000 Base/S/CD, '93-'94 9000 CS/CSE, '93 9000 CD/CDE, '94-'98 900 S 5-d, '94-'97 900 S 3-d, '95-'98 900 S convertible) *D = 2.0L DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B202I I4 ('90 900 base model, '90 900 S, '87-Early '90 9000 S) *E = 2.1L DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B212I I4 ('91-'92 900 base model, '91-'93 900 S, '94 900 S Convertible) *E = 2.3L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B235E Light-pressure turbo I4 <br> ('99 9-5 2.3T, '00-'01 9-5 2.3T Base model, '00 9-5 Gary Fisher Edition wagon, '02-'05 9-5 Linear) *G = 2.3L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B235R high output I4 ('99-'02 9-3 Viggen, '00-'05 9-5 Aero, '06-'09 9-5) *H = 2.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B205L std. output I4 ('00-'01 9-3 base model) *J = 2.8L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 24-valve GM High Feature Saab A28NER V6 (RPO code: LAU) ('10-'11 9-5) *K = 2.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B205R high output I4 ('00-'02 9-3 SE 5-d, '00-'03 9-3 SE convertible) *L = 2.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B202L I4 <br> ('90-'93 900 Turbo, '90-'91 900 Turbo SPG, '91 900 S.E. Turbo convertible, '94 900 Turbo Convertible, '86-'90 9000 Turbo, '89-'90 9000 CD Turbo) *M = 2.3L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B234L std. output I4 <br> ('91-'92 9000 Turbo/CD Turbo, '92 9000 CD Turbo Griffin Edition, '93-'94 9000 CS Turbo, '93-'97 9000 CSE Turbo, '93 9000 CD Turbo, '93-'94 9000 CDE Turbo, <br> '93-'97 9000 Aero w/auto. trans., '98 9000 CSE w/auto. trans.) *N = 2.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B204L std. output I4 ('98 900 S Turbo 3-d, '94-'98 900 SE Turbo 3-d, '95-'98 900 SE Turbo convertible,<br> '96-'98 900 SE Turbo 5-d, '97 900 SE Turbo Talladega Edition, '99 9-3 base model, SE w/auto. trans., Early '99 9-3 SE w/man. trans.) *P = 2.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B204R high output I4 (Mid '99 9-3 SE w/man. trans.) *R = 2.3L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B234R high output I4 ('93-'97 9000 Aero w/man. trans., '98 9000 CSE w/man. trans.) *R = 2.8L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 24-valve GM High Feature Saab B284R high output V6 <br> ('08-'09 9-3 Aero XWD 4-d/wagon, '08 9-3 Turbo X XWD 4-d/wagon, '09 9-3 Aero FWD convertible) *R = 2.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] Gas/E85 Flex-Fuel (Biopower) DOHC 16-valve Direct injection GM Ecotec Gen II Saab A20NFT I4 (RPO code: LHU) ('11 9-5) *S = 2.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve GM Ecotec Gen I Saab B207L Light-pressure turbo I4 ('03-'05 9-3 Linear) *T = 2.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B202R high output I4 [185 hp] <br> ('93 900 Turbo 3-d Commemorative Edition, '94 900 Turbo Convertible Commemorative Edition) *U = 2.3L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B234E Light-pressure turbo I4 ('95-'97 9000 CS) *U = 2.8L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 24-valve GM High Feature Saab B284L V6 ('06-'08 9-3 Aero FWD) *V = 2.5L DOHC 24-valve GM/Opel 54° V6 Saab B258I ('94-'97 900 SE V6 5-d, '95-'97 900 SE V6 convertible) *W = 3.0L DOHC 24-valve GM/Opel 54° V6 Saab B308I ('95-'97 9000 CSE V6, '95 9000 CDE V6) *Y = 2.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve GM Ecotec Gen I Saab B207R high output I4 ('03 9-3 Arc, Vector, '04-'05 9-3 Arc, Aero, '06-'11 9-3 2.0T) *Z = 3.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 24-valve GM/Opel 54° V6 Saab B308E ('99 9-5 V6, '00-'01 9-5 SE, '02-'03 9-5 Arc) ===Position 9, Check Digit=== [[Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Check digit |Check digit]] ===Position 10, Model Year: === [[Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Model year|Model year]] ===Position 11, Production Plant:=== * 1: Trollhattan, Sweden (Line 1: '81-'85 900, Line A: '86-'98 9000, '03-'11 9-3) * 2: Trollhattan, Sweden (Line 2: '81-'85 900, Line B: '86-'98 900, '88-'91 9000) * 2: Trollhattan, Sweden (Line A: '99-'02 9-3) * 3: Arlov, Sweden ('85-'90 900) * 3: Trollhattan, Sweden (Line B: '99-'09 9-5) * 4: Trollhattan, Sweden ('10-'11 9-5) * 5: Malmo, Sweden ('90-'91 900) * 6: Graz, Austria (Magna Steyr plant: '04-'10 9-3 convertible) * 7: Uusikaupunki, Finland (Valmet plant - '85-'98 900, '99-'03 9-3) * 9: Trollhattan, Sweden (Prototype Line) * G: Ota, Gunma prefecture, Japan [Subaru plant] ('05-'06 Saab 9-2X w/5-spd. man. trans.) * H: Ota, Gunma prefecture, Japan [Subaru plant] ('05-'06 Saab 9-2X w/4-spd. auto. trans.) * S: Ramos Arizpe, Coahuila, Mexico [GM plant] ('11 9-4X) * 2: Moraine, Ohio, US [GM plant] ('05-'09 9-7X) '''Positions 12–17, Serial Number''' {{BookCat}} fyaw0jequz6uou9g2q6vyj40ug0a6y1 4654263 4654259 2026-07-12T22:32:29Z JustTheFacts33 3434282 /* Position 8, Engine */ 4654263 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Warning}}{{clear}} ===Positions 1–3, World Manufacturer Identifier:=== * YS3 - Saab passenger car * YK1 - Saab passenger car made by Valmet in Finland ('81-'83) * JF4 - Saab passenger car made by Subaru in Japan ('05-'06 9-2X) * 3G0 - Saab MPV made by GM in Mexico ('11 9-4X) * 5S3 - Saab MPV made by GM in US ('05-'09 9-7X) ===Positions 4, Model Line:=== * A = 900 (1st gen. - '81-'93, '94 convertible) * C = 9000 ('86-'98) * D = 900 (2nd gen. - '94-'98 3-d/5-d, '95-'98 convertible) * D = 9-3 (1st gen. - '99-'02, '03 convertible) * E = 9-5 (1st gen. - '99-'09) * F = 9-3 (2nd gen. - '03-'11 4-d, '04-'11 convertible, '06-'11 wagon) * G = 9-5 (2nd gen. - '10-'11) ===Positions 6, Body Style:=== * 2 = 2-dr. sedan ('85-'86 900) * 3 = 3-dr. hatchback ('81-'98 900, '99-'02 9-3) * 4 = 4-dr. sedan ('81-'93 900, '03-'11 9-3, '89-'95 9000, '99-'11 9-5) * 5 = 5-dr. hatchback ('94-'98 900, '99-'02 9-3, '86-'92 9000) * 5 = 5-dr. wagon ('99-'09 9-5 wagon/SportCombi, '06-'11 9-3 SportCombi) * 6 = 5-dr. hatchback ('93-'98 9000) * 7 = 2-dr. convertible ('86-'98 900, '99-'11 9-3) ===Positions 7, Transmission: ('84+)=== * 5 = 5-spd. manual ('84-'93 900, '94 900 convertible, '86-'98 9000) * 6 = 3-spd. automatic ('84-'93 900, '94 900 convertible) * 6 = 6-spd. manual ('03-'07 9-3) * 8 = 4-spd. automatic ('94-'98 900, '99-'02 9-3, '03 9-3 convertible, '86-'98 9000, '99-'01 9-5) * 9 = 5-spd. automatic ('02-'07 9-5) * 1 = 6-spd. automatic ('06-'07 9-3 Aero 2.8T) * 1 = 6-spd. automatic, FWD ('08-'09 9-3 Aero 2.8T) * 2 = 6-spd. automatic, AWD ('08-'09 9-3 Aero 2.8T, '08 9-3 Turbo X, '09 9-3 2.0T XWD) * 5 = 5-spd. manual, FWD ('08-'09 9-5) * 6 = 6-spd. manual, FWD ('08-'09 9-3) * 7 = 6-spd. manual, AWD ('08-'09 9-3 Aero 2.8T, '08 9-3 Turbo X, '09 9-3 2.0T XWD) * 9 = 5-spd. automatic, FWD ('08-'09 9-3 2.0T FWD, '08-'09 9-5) * A = 6-spd. automatic, FWD ('11 9-5) * B = 6-spd. automatic, AWD ('10-'11 9-3, '10-'11 9-5) * C = 5-spd. automatic, FWD ('10-'11 9-3) * M = 6-spd. manual, FWD ('10-'11 9-3, '11 9-5) * N = 6-spd. manual, AWD ('10-'11 9-3) ===Position 8, Engine 1984-=== *A = 2.3L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B235L I4 ('04-'05 9-5 Arc) *B = 2.3L DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B234I I4 <br> (Mid '90 9000 S, '91-'92 9000 Base/S/CD, '93-'94 9000 CS/CSE, '93 9000 CD/CDE, '94-'98 900 S 5-d, '94-'97 900 S 3-d, '95-'98 900 S convertible) *D = 2.0L DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B202I I4 ('89-'90 900 base model, '86-'90 900 S, '87-Early '90 9000 S) *E = 2.1L DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B212I I4 ('91-'92 900 base model, '91-'93 900 S, '94 900 S Convertible) *E = 2.3L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B235E Light-pressure turbo I4 <br> ('99 9-5 2.3T, '00-'01 9-5 2.3T Base model, '00 9-5 Gary Fisher Edition wagon, '02-'05 9-5 Linear) *G = 2.3L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B235R high output I4 ('99-'02 9-3 Viggen, '00-'05 9-5 Aero, '06-'09 9-5) *H = 2.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B205L std. output I4 ('00-'01 9-3 base model) *J = 2.0L SOHC 8-valve Saab H engine B201I I4 ('84-'88 900 base model, '84-'85 900 S) *J = 2.8L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 24-valve GM High Feature Saab A28NER V6 (RPO code: LAU) ('10-'11 9-5) *K = 2.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B205R high output I4 ('00-'02 9-3 SE 5-d, '00-'03 9-3 SE convertible) *L = 2.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B202L I4 <br> ('85-'93 900 Turbo, '85-'91 900 Turbo SPG, '91 900 S.E. Turbo convertible, '94 900 Turbo Convertible, '86-'90 9000 Turbo, '89-'90 9000 CD Turbo) *M = 2.3L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B234L std. output I4 <br> ('91-'92 9000 Turbo/CD Turbo, '92 9000 CD Turbo Griffin Edition, '93-'94 9000 CS Turbo, '93-'97 9000 CSE Turbo, '93 9000 CD Turbo, '93-'94 9000 CDE Turbo, <br> '93-'97 9000 Aero w/auto. trans., '98 9000 CSE w/auto. trans.) *N = 2.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B204L std. output I4 ('98 900 S Turbo 3-d, '94-'98 900 SE Turbo 3-d, '95-'98 900 SE Turbo convertible,<br> '96-'98 900 SE Turbo 5-d, '97 900 SE Turbo Talladega Edition, '99 9-3 base model, SE w/auto. trans., Early '99 9-3 SE w/man. trans.) *P = 2.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B204R high output I4 (Mid '99 9-3 SE w/man. trans.) *R = 2.3L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B234R high output I4 ('93-'97 9000 Aero w/man. trans., '98 9000 CSE w/man. trans.) *R = 2.8L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 24-valve GM High Feature Saab B284R high output V6 <br> ('08-'09 9-3 Aero XWD 4-d/wagon, '08 9-3 Turbo X XWD 4-d/wagon, '09 9-3 Aero FWD convertible) *R = 2.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] Gas/E85 Flex-Fuel (Biopower) DOHC 16-valve Direct injection GM Ecotec Gen II Saab A20NFT I4 (RPO code: LHU) ('11 9-5) *S = 2.0L turbo SOHC 8-valve Saab H engine B201S I4 ('84 900 Turbo) *S = 2.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve GM Ecotec Gen I Saab B207L Light-pressure turbo I4 ('03-'05 9-3 Linear) *T = 2.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B202R high output I4 [185 hp] <br> ('93 900 Turbo 3-d Commemorative Edition, '94 900 Turbo Convertible Commemorative Edition) *U = 2.3L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B234E Light-pressure turbo I4 ('95-'97 9000 CS) *U = 2.8L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 24-valve GM High Feature Saab B284L V6 ('06-'08 9-3 Aero FWD) *V = 2.5L DOHC 24-valve GM/Opel 54° V6 Saab B258I ('94-'97 900 SE V6 5-d, '95-'97 900 SE V6 convertible) *W = 3.0L DOHC 24-valve GM/Opel 54° V6 Saab B308I ('95-'97 9000 CSE V6, '95 9000 CDE V6) *Y = 2.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve GM Ecotec Gen I Saab B207R high output I4 ('03 9-3 Arc, Vector, '04-'05 9-3 Arc, Aero, '06-'11 9-3 2.0T) *Z = 3.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 24-valve GM/Opel 54° V6 Saab B308E ('99 9-5 V6, '00-'01 9-5 SE, '02-'03 9-5 Arc) ===Position 9, Check Digit=== [[Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Check digit |Check digit]] ===Position 10, Model Year: === [[Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Model year|Model year]] ===Position 11, Production Plant:=== * 1: Trollhattan, Sweden (Line 1: '81-'85 900, Line A: '86-'98 9000, '03-'11 9-3) * 2: Trollhattan, Sweden (Line 2: '81-'85 900, Line B: '86-'98 900, '88-'91 9000) * 2: Trollhattan, Sweden (Line A: '99-'02 9-3) * 3: Arlov, Sweden ('85-'90 900) * 3: Trollhattan, Sweden (Line B: '99-'09 9-5) * 4: Trollhattan, Sweden ('10-'11 9-5) * 5: Malmo, Sweden ('90-'91 900) * 6: Graz, Austria (Magna Steyr plant: '04-'10 9-3 convertible) * 7: Uusikaupunki, Finland (Valmet plant - '85-'98 900, '99-'03 9-3) * 9: Trollhattan, Sweden (Prototype Line) * G: Ota, Gunma prefecture, Japan [Subaru plant] ('05-'06 Saab 9-2X w/5-spd. man. trans.) * H: Ota, Gunma prefecture, Japan [Subaru plant] ('05-'06 Saab 9-2X w/4-spd. auto. trans.) * S: Ramos Arizpe, Coahuila, Mexico [GM plant] ('11 9-4X) * 2: Moraine, Ohio, US [GM plant] ('05-'09 9-7X) '''Positions 12–17, Serial Number''' {{BookCat}} rs5sa05bkh49qr7m315wxqp0uckq0us 4654264 4654263 2026-07-12T22:33:03Z JustTheFacts33 3434282 /* Position 8, Engine 1984- */ 4654264 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Warning}}{{clear}} ===Positions 1–3, World Manufacturer Identifier:=== * YS3 - Saab passenger car * YK1 - Saab passenger car made by Valmet in Finland ('81-'83) * JF4 - Saab passenger car made by Subaru in Japan ('05-'06 9-2X) * 3G0 - Saab MPV made by GM in Mexico ('11 9-4X) * 5S3 - Saab MPV made by GM in US ('05-'09 9-7X) ===Positions 4, Model Line:=== * A = 900 (1st gen. - '81-'93, '94 convertible) * C = 9000 ('86-'98) * D = 900 (2nd gen. - '94-'98 3-d/5-d, '95-'98 convertible) * D = 9-3 (1st gen. - '99-'02, '03 convertible) * E = 9-5 (1st gen. - '99-'09) * F = 9-3 (2nd gen. - '03-'11 4-d, '04-'11 convertible, '06-'11 wagon) * G = 9-5 (2nd gen. - '10-'11) ===Positions 6, Body Style:=== * 2 = 2-dr. sedan ('85-'86 900) * 3 = 3-dr. hatchback ('81-'98 900, '99-'02 9-3) * 4 = 4-dr. sedan ('81-'93 900, '03-'11 9-3, '89-'95 9000, '99-'11 9-5) * 5 = 5-dr. hatchback ('94-'98 900, '99-'02 9-3, '86-'92 9000) * 5 = 5-dr. wagon ('99-'09 9-5 wagon/SportCombi, '06-'11 9-3 SportCombi) * 6 = 5-dr. hatchback ('93-'98 9000) * 7 = 2-dr. convertible ('86-'98 900, '99-'11 9-3) ===Positions 7, Transmission: ('84+)=== * 5 = 5-spd. manual ('84-'93 900, '94 900 convertible, '86-'98 9000) * 6 = 3-spd. automatic ('84-'93 900, '94 900 convertible) * 6 = 6-spd. manual ('03-'07 9-3) * 8 = 4-spd. automatic ('94-'98 900, '99-'02 9-3, '03 9-3 convertible, '86-'98 9000, '99-'01 9-5) * 9 = 5-spd. automatic ('02-'07 9-5) * 1 = 6-spd. automatic ('06-'07 9-3 Aero 2.8T) * 1 = 6-spd. automatic, FWD ('08-'09 9-3 Aero 2.8T) * 2 = 6-spd. automatic, AWD ('08-'09 9-3 Aero 2.8T, '08 9-3 Turbo X, '09 9-3 2.0T XWD) * 5 = 5-spd. manual, FWD ('08-'09 9-5) * 6 = 6-spd. manual, FWD ('08-'09 9-3) * 7 = 6-spd. manual, AWD ('08-'09 9-3 Aero 2.8T, '08 9-3 Turbo X, '09 9-3 2.0T XWD) * 9 = 5-spd. automatic, FWD ('08-'09 9-3 2.0T FWD, '08-'09 9-5) * A = 6-spd. automatic, FWD ('11 9-5) * B = 6-spd. automatic, AWD ('10-'11 9-3, '10-'11 9-5) * C = 5-spd. automatic, FWD ('10-'11 9-3) * M = 6-spd. manual, FWD ('10-'11 9-3, '11 9-5) * N = 6-spd. manual, AWD ('10-'11 9-3) ===Position 8, Engine 1984-2011=== *A = 2.3L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B235L I4 ('04-'05 9-5 Arc) *B = 2.3L DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B234I I4 <br> (Mid '90 9000 S, '91-'92 9000 Base/S/CD, '93-'94 9000 CS/CSE, '93 9000 CD/CDE, '94-'98 900 S 5-d, '94-'97 900 S 3-d, '95-'98 900 S convertible) *D = 2.0L DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B202I I4 ('89-'90 900 base model, '86-'90 900 S, '87-Early '90 9000 S) *E = 2.1L DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B212I I4 ('91-'92 900 base model, '91-'93 900 S, '94 900 S Convertible) *E = 2.3L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B235E Light-pressure turbo I4 <br> ('99 9-5 2.3T, '00-'01 9-5 2.3T Base model, '00 9-5 Gary Fisher Edition wagon, '02-'05 9-5 Linear) *G = 2.3L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B235R high output I4 ('99-'02 9-3 Viggen, '00-'05 9-5 Aero, '06-'09 9-5) *H = 2.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B205L std. output I4 ('00-'01 9-3 base model) *J = 2.0L SOHC 8-valve Saab H engine B201I I4 ('84-'88 900 base model, '84-'85 900 S) *J = 2.8L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 24-valve GM High Feature Saab A28NER V6 (RPO code: LAU) ('10-'11 9-5) *K = 2.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B205R high output I4 ('00-'02 9-3 SE 5-d, '00-'03 9-3 SE convertible) *L = 2.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B202L I4 <br> ('85-'93 900 Turbo, '85-'91 900 Turbo SPG, '91 900 S.E. Turbo convertible, '94 900 Turbo Convertible, '86-'90 9000 Turbo, '89-'90 9000 CD Turbo) *M = 2.3L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B234L std. output I4 <br> ('91-'92 9000 Turbo/CD Turbo, '92 9000 CD Turbo Griffin Edition, '93-'94 9000 CS Turbo, '93-'97 9000 CSE Turbo, '93 9000 CD Turbo, '93-'94 9000 CDE Turbo, <br> '93-'97 9000 Aero w/auto. trans., '98 9000 CSE w/auto. trans.) *N = 2.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B204L std. output I4 ('98 900 S Turbo 3-d, '94-'98 900 SE Turbo 3-d, '95-'98 900 SE Turbo convertible,<br> '96-'98 900 SE Turbo 5-d, '97 900 SE Turbo Talladega Edition, '99 9-3 base model, SE w/auto. trans., Early '99 9-3 SE w/man. trans.) *P = 2.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B204R high output I4 (Mid '99 9-3 SE w/man. trans.) *R = 2.3L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B234R high output I4 ('93-'97 9000 Aero w/man. trans., '98 9000 CSE w/man. trans.) *R = 2.8L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 24-valve GM High Feature Saab B284R high output V6 <br> ('08-'09 9-3 Aero XWD 4-d/wagon, '08 9-3 Turbo X XWD 4-d/wagon, '09 9-3 Aero FWD convertible) *R = 2.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] Gas/E85 Flex-Fuel (Biopower) DOHC 16-valve Direct injection GM Ecotec Gen II Saab A20NFT I4 (RPO code: LHU) ('11 9-5) *S = 2.0L turbo SOHC 8-valve Saab H engine B201S I4 ('84 900 Turbo) *S = 2.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve GM Ecotec Gen I Saab B207L Light-pressure turbo I4 ('03-'05 9-3 Linear) *T = 2.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B202R high output I4 [185 hp] <br> ('93 900 Turbo 3-d Commemorative Edition, '94 900 Turbo Convertible Commemorative Edition) *U = 2.3L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B234E Light-pressure turbo I4 ('95-'97 9000 CS) *U = 2.8L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 24-valve GM High Feature Saab B284L V6 ('06-'08 9-3 Aero FWD) *V = 2.5L DOHC 24-valve GM/Opel 54° V6 Saab B258I ('94-'97 900 SE V6 5-d, '95-'97 900 SE V6 convertible) *W = 3.0L DOHC 24-valve GM/Opel 54° V6 Saab B308I ('95-'97 9000 CSE V6, '95 9000 CDE V6) *Y = 2.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve GM Ecotec Gen I Saab B207R high output I4 ('03 9-3 Arc, Vector, '04-'05 9-3 Arc, Aero, '06-'11 9-3 2.0T) *Z = 3.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 24-valve GM/Opel 54° V6 Saab B308E ('99 9-5 V6, '00-'01 9-5 SE, '02-'03 9-5 Arc) ===Position 9, Check Digit=== [[Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Check digit |Check digit]] ===Position 10, Model Year: === [[Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Model year|Model year]] ===Position 11, Production Plant:=== * 1: Trollhattan, Sweden (Line 1: '81-'85 900, Line A: '86-'98 9000, '03-'11 9-3) * 2: Trollhattan, Sweden (Line 2: '81-'85 900, Line B: '86-'98 900, '88-'91 9000) * 2: Trollhattan, Sweden (Line A: '99-'02 9-3) * 3: Arlov, Sweden ('85-'90 900) * 3: Trollhattan, Sweden (Line B: '99-'09 9-5) * 4: Trollhattan, Sweden ('10-'11 9-5) * 5: Malmo, Sweden ('90-'91 900) * 6: Graz, Austria (Magna Steyr plant: '04-'10 9-3 convertible) * 7: Uusikaupunki, Finland (Valmet plant - '85-'98 900, '99-'03 9-3) * 9: Trollhattan, Sweden (Prototype Line) * G: Ota, Gunma prefecture, Japan [Subaru plant] ('05-'06 Saab 9-2X w/5-spd. man. trans.) * H: Ota, Gunma prefecture, Japan [Subaru plant] ('05-'06 Saab 9-2X w/4-spd. auto. trans.) * S: Ramos Arizpe, Coahuila, Mexico [GM plant] ('11 9-4X) * 2: Moraine, Ohio, US [GM plant] ('05-'09 9-7X) '''Positions 12–17, Serial Number''' {{BookCat}} gbmz76gu4ldeiuckef0lgil11qdhbpt 4654265 4654264 2026-07-12T22:33:26Z JustTheFacts33 3434282 /* Positions 7, Transmission: ('84+) */ 4654265 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Warning}}{{clear}} ===Positions 1–3, World Manufacturer Identifier:=== * YS3 - Saab passenger car * YK1 - Saab passenger car made by Valmet in Finland ('81-'83) * JF4 - Saab passenger car made by Subaru in Japan ('05-'06 9-2X) * 3G0 - Saab MPV made by GM in Mexico ('11 9-4X) * 5S3 - Saab MPV made by GM in US ('05-'09 9-7X) ===Positions 4, Model Line:=== * A = 900 (1st gen. - '81-'93, '94 convertible) * C = 9000 ('86-'98) * D = 900 (2nd gen. - '94-'98 3-d/5-d, '95-'98 convertible) * D = 9-3 (1st gen. - '99-'02, '03 convertible) * E = 9-5 (1st gen. - '99-'09) * F = 9-3 (2nd gen. - '03-'11 4-d, '04-'11 convertible, '06-'11 wagon) * G = 9-5 (2nd gen. - '10-'11) ===Positions 6, Body Style:=== * 2 = 2-dr. sedan ('85-'86 900) * 3 = 3-dr. hatchback ('81-'98 900, '99-'02 9-3) * 4 = 4-dr. sedan ('81-'93 900, '03-'11 9-3, '89-'95 9000, '99-'11 9-5) * 5 = 5-dr. hatchback ('94-'98 900, '99-'02 9-3, '86-'92 9000) * 5 = 5-dr. wagon ('99-'09 9-5 wagon/SportCombi, '06-'11 9-3 SportCombi) * 6 = 5-dr. hatchback ('93-'98 9000) * 7 = 2-dr. convertible ('86-'98 900, '99-'11 9-3) ===Positions 7, Transmission: 1984-2011=== * 5 = 5-spd. manual ('84-'93 900, '94 900 convertible, '86-'98 9000) * 6 = 3-spd. automatic ('84-'93 900, '94 900 convertible) * 6 = 6-spd. manual ('03-'07 9-3) * 8 = 4-spd. automatic ('94-'98 900, '99-'02 9-3, '03 9-3 convertible, '86-'98 9000, '99-'01 9-5) * 9 = 5-spd. automatic ('02-'07 9-5) * 1 = 6-spd. automatic ('06-'07 9-3 Aero 2.8T) * 1 = 6-spd. automatic, FWD ('08-'09 9-3 Aero 2.8T) * 2 = 6-spd. automatic, AWD ('08-'09 9-3 Aero 2.8T, '08 9-3 Turbo X, '09 9-3 2.0T XWD) * 5 = 5-spd. manual, FWD ('08-'09 9-5) * 6 = 6-spd. manual, FWD ('08-'09 9-3) * 7 = 6-spd. manual, AWD ('08-'09 9-3 Aero 2.8T, '08 9-3 Turbo X, '09 9-3 2.0T XWD) * 9 = 5-spd. automatic, FWD ('08-'09 9-3 2.0T FWD, '08-'09 9-5) * A = 6-spd. automatic, FWD ('11 9-5) * B = 6-spd. automatic, AWD ('10-'11 9-3, '10-'11 9-5) * C = 5-spd. automatic, FWD ('10-'11 9-3) * M = 6-spd. manual, FWD ('10-'11 9-3, '11 9-5) * N = 6-spd. manual, AWD ('10-'11 9-3) ===Position 8, Engine 1984-2011=== *A = 2.3L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B235L I4 ('04-'05 9-5 Arc) *B = 2.3L DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B234I I4 <br> (Mid '90 9000 S, '91-'92 9000 Base/S/CD, '93-'94 9000 CS/CSE, '93 9000 CD/CDE, '94-'98 900 S 5-d, '94-'97 900 S 3-d, '95-'98 900 S convertible) *D = 2.0L DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B202I I4 ('89-'90 900 base model, '86-'90 900 S, '87-Early '90 9000 S) *E = 2.1L DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B212I I4 ('91-'92 900 base model, '91-'93 900 S, '94 900 S Convertible) *E = 2.3L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B235E Light-pressure turbo I4 <br> ('99 9-5 2.3T, '00-'01 9-5 2.3T Base model, '00 9-5 Gary Fisher Edition wagon, '02-'05 9-5 Linear) *G = 2.3L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B235R high output I4 ('99-'02 9-3 Viggen, '00-'05 9-5 Aero, '06-'09 9-5) *H = 2.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B205L std. output I4 ('00-'01 9-3 base model) *J = 2.0L SOHC 8-valve Saab H engine B201I I4 ('84-'88 900 base model, '84-'85 900 S) *J = 2.8L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 24-valve GM High Feature Saab A28NER V6 (RPO code: LAU) ('10-'11 9-5) *K = 2.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B205R high output I4 ('00-'02 9-3 SE 5-d, '00-'03 9-3 SE convertible) *L = 2.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B202L I4 <br> ('85-'93 900 Turbo, '85-'91 900 Turbo SPG, '91 900 S.E. Turbo convertible, '94 900 Turbo Convertible, '86-'90 9000 Turbo, '89-'90 9000 CD Turbo) *M = 2.3L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B234L std. output I4 <br> ('91-'92 9000 Turbo/CD Turbo, '92 9000 CD Turbo Griffin Edition, '93-'94 9000 CS Turbo, '93-'97 9000 CSE Turbo, '93 9000 CD Turbo, '93-'94 9000 CDE Turbo, <br> '93-'97 9000 Aero w/auto. trans., '98 9000 CSE w/auto. trans.) *N = 2.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B204L std. output I4 ('98 900 S Turbo 3-d, '94-'98 900 SE Turbo 3-d, '95-'98 900 SE Turbo convertible,<br> '96-'98 900 SE Turbo 5-d, '97 900 SE Turbo Talladega Edition, '99 9-3 base model, SE w/auto. trans., Early '99 9-3 SE w/man. trans.) *P = 2.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B204R high output I4 (Mid '99 9-3 SE w/man. trans.) *R = 2.3L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B234R high output I4 ('93-'97 9000 Aero w/man. trans., '98 9000 CSE w/man. trans.) *R = 2.8L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 24-valve GM High Feature Saab B284R high output V6 <br> ('08-'09 9-3 Aero XWD 4-d/wagon, '08 9-3 Turbo X XWD 4-d/wagon, '09 9-3 Aero FWD convertible) *R = 2.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] Gas/E85 Flex-Fuel (Biopower) DOHC 16-valve Direct injection GM Ecotec Gen II Saab A20NFT I4 (RPO code: LHU) ('11 9-5) *S = 2.0L turbo SOHC 8-valve Saab H engine B201S I4 ('84 900 Turbo) *S = 2.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve GM Ecotec Gen I Saab B207L Light-pressure turbo I4 ('03-'05 9-3 Linear) *T = 2.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B202R high output I4 [185 hp] <br> ('93 900 Turbo 3-d Commemorative Edition, '94 900 Turbo Convertible Commemorative Edition) *U = 2.3L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve Saab H engine B234E Light-pressure turbo I4 ('95-'97 9000 CS) *U = 2.8L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 24-valve GM High Feature Saab B284L V6 ('06-'08 9-3 Aero FWD) *V = 2.5L DOHC 24-valve GM/Opel 54° V6 Saab B258I ('94-'97 900 SE V6 5-d, '95-'97 900 SE V6 convertible) *W = 3.0L DOHC 24-valve GM/Opel 54° V6 Saab B308I ('95-'97 9000 CSE V6, '95 9000 CDE V6) *Y = 2.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 16-valve GM Ecotec Gen I Saab B207R high output I4 ('03 9-3 Arc, Vector, '04-'05 9-3 Arc, Aero, '06-'11 9-3 2.0T) *Z = 3.0L turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] DOHC 24-valve GM/Opel 54° V6 Saab B308E ('99 9-5 V6, '00-'01 9-5 SE, '02-'03 9-5 Arc) ===Position 9, Check Digit=== [[Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Check digit |Check digit]] ===Position 10, Model Year: === [[Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Model year|Model year]] ===Position 11, Production Plant:=== * 1: Trollhattan, Sweden (Line 1: '81-'85 900, Line A: '86-'98 9000, '03-'11 9-3) * 2: Trollhattan, Sweden (Line 2: '81-'85 900, Line B: '86-'98 900, '88-'91 9000) * 2: Trollhattan, Sweden (Line A: '99-'02 9-3) * 3: Arlov, Sweden ('85-'90 900) * 3: Trollhattan, Sweden (Line B: '99-'09 9-5) * 4: Trollhattan, Sweden ('10-'11 9-5) * 5: Malmo, Sweden ('90-'91 900) * 6: Graz, Austria (Magna Steyr plant: '04-'10 9-3 convertible) * 7: Uusikaupunki, Finland (Valmet plant - '85-'98 900, '99-'03 9-3) * 9: Trollhattan, Sweden (Prototype Line) * G: Ota, Gunma prefecture, Japan [Subaru plant] ('05-'06 Saab 9-2X w/5-spd. man. trans.) * H: Ota, Gunma prefecture, Japan [Subaru plant] ('05-'06 Saab 9-2X w/4-spd. auto. trans.) * S: Ramos Arizpe, Coahuila, Mexico [GM plant] ('11 9-4X) * 2: Moraine, Ohio, US [GM plant] ('05-'09 9-7X) '''Positions 12–17, Serial Number''' {{BookCat}} 9jofikfd6isn01aespm1t60yybgnnka 0 484619 4654210 4653700 2026-07-12T17:06:48Z Baikokyt 3613884 I've deleted the links leading to nowhere and the category 4654210 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Agreement''' (also called '''concord''') is the way a word (marked with an <u>underline</u> in this article) has the form appropriate to the person, number, or gender of the noun or pronoun (written here in '''bold''').<ref>{{cite web |title=Definition of 'agreement' |publisher=Collins Dictionary |url=https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/agreement |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref> For example, the sentences "''It exists.''" and "''They exist.''" are grammatically correct, while "''It exist.''" or "''They exists.''" are grammatically incorrect. English grammar requires that the verb and its subject agree in person: the pronoun ''it'' and the verb ''exists'' are singular, whereas the pronoun ''they'' and the verb ''exist'' are plural. == Subject/Complement–Verb agreement == === Subject–Verb agreement === In general, a verb's number is matched to its subject (which normally precedes the verb).{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=205}} A singular subject takes a singular verb.{{sfn|Hewings|2023|p=80}}{{sfn|ELT|COBUILD|2017|p=36, 42, 49, 51}}<ref name="grammarbook">{{cite web |last=Straus |first=Jane |url=https://www.grammarbook.com/grammar/subjectVerbAgree.asp |title=Subject–Verb Agreement |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref> * '''''The zoo's main attraction''' <u>is</u> the elephants.'' A plural subject takes a plural verb.{{sfn|Hewings|2023|p=80}}{{sfn|ELT|COBUILD|2017|p=36, 42, 49, 51}}<ref name="grammarbook" /> * '''''Elephants''' <u>are</u> the zoo's main attraction.'' ==== Subject after the verb ==== The subject follows the verb in a range of constructions, including certain formal, literary, or emphatic structures as well as using ''here'' and ''there'' at the beginning of a sentence.<ref name="grammarbook" /><ref name=":41">{{cite web |url=https://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/british-grammar/here-and-there |title=Here and there |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref>{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=57-58}}{{sfn|Hewings|2023|p=80}}{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=400-402}} * ''Look, here <u>comes</u> '''your boyfriend'''!'' * ''Little <u>does</u> '''he''' realize how much he means to us.'' * ''The new policy is beneficial to the environment, as <u>are</u> '''the prior regulations'''.'' === Complement–Verb agreement === When the subject is far from the verb, the verb is sometimes matched to the complement.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=205}} * '''''The main problem with the new policy''', along with several unexpected complications, <u>are/is</u> '''the unclear rules and guidelines'''.'' This often occurs when the subject is a relative clause introduced by ''what'', especially if the complement is long.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=206}}<ref name=":25" />{{sfn|Hewings|2023|p=80}} * ''What we need to consider <u>is</u> '''the potential consequence''' of this decision.'' If the complement is plural, the verb can be plural (more formal) or singular.{{sfn|Hewings|2023|p=80}} * ''What we need to consider <u>are</u> '''the potential consequences''' of this decision.'' (more formally) * ''What we need to consider <u>is</u> '''the potential consequences''' of this decision.'' === Parentheses === Parentheses can always be removed, so they don't affect the agreement.<ref name="grammarbook" /><ref>{{cite web |title=How to use parenthesis: brackets, dashes and commas |url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/zhpt7yc |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |title=Parentheses vs. Brackets: Definitions and Examples |date=16 November 2022 |url=https://www.grammarly.com/blog/punctuation-capitalization/parentheses-and-brackets |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref>{{sfn|Einsohn|p=348}}{{sfn|Eastwood|1994|p=192}} * '''''Our laptop computer''' (and its accessories) <u>comes</u> with a two-year warranty.'' === Complex nouns === When a noun is complex, i.e., it contains a preposition, prepositional phrase, adverb, adverbial phrase (e.g., ''with'', ''in addition to'', ''along with'', ''as well (as)'', ''together with'', ''besides'', or ''not''), or a relative clause, the verb usually agrees with the head noun or pronoun.<ref name="grammarbook" /><ref name=":25" />{{sfn|Hewings|2023|p=80}}{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=206}}<ref>{{cite web |url=https://owl.purdue.edu/owl/general_writing/grammar/subject_verb_agreement.html |title=Making Subjects and Verbs Agree |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref> * '''''The engine''' of the car <u>needs</u> to be repaired.'' * '''''The man''' who lives next door <u>is</u> very outgoing.'' * '''''The computer''' as well as the printer <u>is</u> malfunctioning.'' * '''''The teachers''' in my school <u>are</u> notoriously unprepared for classes.'' ==== Quantifying expressions ==== However, with quantifying expressions (phrases expressing parts), percentages, and fractions, the verb agrees with the noun or pronoun following ''of''.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=204}}<ref name="grammarbook" /><ref name=":25" /><ref>{{cite web |title=fraction |url=https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/fraction |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref>{{sfn|Hewings|2023|p=84}} * ''Half of '''the team members''' <u>are</u> working remotely today.'' * ''Less than 2% of '''water''' in the world <u>is</u> drinkable.'' * ''Only a handful of '''students''' <u>were</u> on time for the class.'' == Pronoun-Antecedent agreement == === Number agreement === A singular pronoun is used for a singular noun.{{sfn|ELT|COBUILD|2017|p=106}} * '''''The computer''' is on the desk, and <u>it</u> is not working properly.'' A plural pronoun is used for a plural noun.{{sfn|ELT|COBUILD|2017|p=106}} * '''''The computers''' are on the desk, and <u>they</u> are not working properly.'' === Gender agreement === Pronouns are also matched for gender. ''He'' or ''she'' and ''who'' are normally used for people.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=513}}{{sfn|ELT|COBUILD|2017|p=106}} * '''''My uncle''' is a doctor. <u>He</u> works in the city hospital.'' When referring back to indefinite pronouns such as ''somebody'', ''someone'', ''anybody'', ''anyone'', ''no one'', ''nobody'', ''everybody'', and ''everyone'', the phrase ''he or she'' is used.<ref name="MW-they">{{cite web |title=they |url=https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/they |access-date=26 April 2026}}</ref><ref name="Oxford-they">{{cite web |title=they |url=https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/they |access-date=26 April 2026}}</ref>{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=264}} * ''If '''someone''' wants to join, <u>he or she</u> must register online.'' Nowadays, it is also generally considered correct to use the word ''they''.<ref name="MW-they" /><ref name="Oxford-they" />{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=264}} * ''If '''someone''' wants to join, <u>they</u> must register online.'' ''It'' and ''which'' are normally used for things or animals.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=513}} * ''I saw '''a cat'''. <u>It</u> was sleeping on the sofa.'' When animals are thought of as having personality, intelligence, or feelings, ''he'' or ''she'' may sometimes be used; this is common with pets.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=513}} * ''This is '''Bella''', a friendly golden retriever. <u>She</u> enjoys playing fetch with her owner.'' In such cases, ''who'' is used instead of ''which''.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=513}} * ''Meet '''Luna''', a playful cat <u>who</u> loves to chase toys.'' Sometimes ''she'' is used for cars and motorcycles as well as countries, though ''it'' is more common in modern usage.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=513}}<ref name="she-cambridge">{{cite web |title=she |url=https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/she}}</ref><ref name="she-longman">{{cite web |title=she |url=https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/she}}</ref> * ''I love '''my car'''. <u>It/She</u> never lets me down.'' * '''''Italy''' is famous for <u>its/her</u> cuisine.'' Sailors often refer to ships and boats as ''she'', but it's less common than it used to be.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=513}}<ref name="she-cambridge" /><ref name="she-longman" /> * ''This is '''my ship'''. <u>She</u>'s got a long history of cruising.'' == Determiner–Noun agreement == Some determiners are used only with certain kinds of nouns. For example, ''this'' and ''that'' change to ''these'' and ''those'' when the following noun is plural.{{sfn|Swan|2016}} * <u>this</u> '''cat''' — <u>these</u> '''cats''' * <u>that</u> '''cat''' — <u>those</u> '''cats''' The table below shows which determiners and determiner phrases combine with which kinds of nouns: {| class="wikitable" !Determiner !Countable singular nouns (e.g. notebook, week) !Uncountable nouns (e.g. luggage, music) !Countable plural nouns (e.g. notebooks, weeks) |- |a / an / each{{sfn|Hewings|2023|p=82}}{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=239}}<ref name=":39">{{cite web |title=each |url=https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/each |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |title=each |url=https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/each |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref> / many a/an<ref>{{cite web |title=many |url=https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/many |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |title=many a/an |url=https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/many%20a%2Fan |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref> / one / either{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=242}}<ref name=":29">{{cite web |title=either |url=https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/either |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref> / neither{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=243}}<ref name=":30">{{cite web |title=neither |url=https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/neither |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref> |{{yes}} |{{no}} |{{no}} |- |many / quite a few / a good few / a good many / not a few / a number of / few / fewer<ref name=":23">{{cite web |url=https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/less |title=less |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref><ref name=":24">{{cite web |url=https://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/british-grammar/less-or-fewer |title=Less or fewer? |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref><ref name=":42">{{cite web |url=https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/less |title=less |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref> / fewest / a few / several<ref>{{cite web |url=https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/grammar/online-grammar/quantifiers-both-several-most-and-all |title=both, several, most, all |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref> / these / those / zero, two, three, etc. / umpteen |{{no}} |{{no}} |{{yes}} |- |much / little / a little |{{no}} |{{yes}} |{{no}} |- |this / that |{{yes}} |{{yes}} |{{no}} |- |quantity of<ref>{{cite web |url=https://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/british-grammar/amount-of-number-of-or-quantity-of |title=Amount of, number of or quantity of? |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref>{{sfn|Carter|McCarthy|2006|p=361}} / enough / a lot of / lots of |{{no}} |{{yes}} |{{yes}} |- |amount of<ref>{{cite web |url=https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/amount_1 |title=amount |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref> / a good deal of<ref name=":26">{{cite web |url=https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/a-great-good-deal |title=a great/good deal |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref>{{sfn|Carter|McCarthy|2006|p=348}}{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=257}} / a great deal of<ref name=":26" />{{sfn|Carter|McCarthy|2006|p=361}}{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=257}} / less<ref name=":23" /><ref name=":24" /><ref>{{cite web |url=https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/less_1 |title=less |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref><ref name=":42" /> / least |{{no}} |{{yes}} |style="text-align:center;"|Questionable |- |all<ref>{{cite web |url=https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/all_1 |title=all |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref>{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=235}} / some / any |{{yes}} |{{yes}} |{{yes}} |} === Every === ''Every'' is followed by a singular noun.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=237}}{{sfn|Hewings|2023|p=82}}<ref name=":43">{{cite web |title=every |url=https://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/british-grammar/every |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref> * '''''Every''' <u>episode</u> of the series <u>presents</u> a new story.'' ''Every'' is used with a plural noun when it refers to intervals.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=238}}<ref name=":43" /> * ''A train leaves the station <u>every</u> '''three hours'''.'' === No === The word ''no'' is followed by a singular noun when referring to the absence of even a single item.{{sfn|Hewings|2023|p=92}}<ref name=":47">{{cite web |url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/grammar/learnit/learnitv354.shtml |title=no = not / not any |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref> * ''He has '''no''' <u>passport</u>.'' The word ''no'' is followed by a plural noun when referring to the absence of multiple items.{{sfn|Hewings|2023|p=92}}<ref name=":47" /> * ''He has '''no''' <u>socks</u>.'' Often both are possible though it's more formal to use a singular noun.{{sfn|Hewings|2023|p=98}}<ref name=":47" /> * '''''No''' <u>dog</u> allowed!'' (more formally) * '''''No''' <u>dogs</u> allowed!'' === Kind(s)/Sort(s)/Type(s) of === After ''kind/sort/type of'', a singular noun is usually used.<ref>{{cite web |title=kinds / types / sorts / varieties (of music) |url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/grammar/learnit/learnitv310.shtml |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref>{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=684–685}}{{sfn|Uk|2019|p=281,282,485,539}}<ref name=":36">{{cite web |title=kind |url=https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/kind_1 |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |title=kind |url=https://ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=kind |website=The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref> * ''What <u>sort of</u> '''book''' do you usually read?'' It's also possible to use ''kind/sort/type of'' with a plural noun.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=684–685}}<ref name=":36" /> * ''What <u>sort of</u> '''books''' do you usually read?'' The phrases ''kinds/sorts/types of'' can also be used with either a singular or a plural noun.{{sfn|Uk|2019|p=281,282,485,539}}<ref name=":36" /> * ''We studied <u>many sorts of</u> '''political system(s)'''.'' Certain structures with ''this'', ''that'', ''these'', and ''those'' occur, but they are considered incorrect.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=684–685}}{{sfn|Uk|2019|p=281,282,485,539}}<ref name=":36" /> * ''<u>This kind of</u> '''problems''' is difficult.'' (this/that + kind/sort/type of + plural noun) * ''<u>These kind of</u> '''problems''' is difficult.'' (these/those + kind/sort/type of + plural noun) * ''<u>These kinds of</u> '''problem''' are difficult.'' (these/those + kinds/sorts/types of + singular noun) In formal style, a plural verb followed by ''of this/that kind/sort/type'' is also possible.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=684–685}}{{sfn|Uk|2019|p=281,282,485,539}} * '''''Problems''' <u>of this kind</u> are difficult.'' === Dozen, hundred, thousand, million, and billion === The words ''dozen'', ''hundred'', ''thousand'', ''million'', and ''billion'' are used without the -s ending when they follow a number.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=505}}<ref>{{cite web |last1=hundred |title=Definition of 'hundred'; Collins English Dictionary |url=https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/hundred |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |title=hundred |url=https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/hundred |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref>{{sfn|ELT|COBUILD|2017|p=302}}{{sfn|Uk|2019|p=727}} * ''The population of South Korea grew to almost <u>52</u> '''million''' and then began to decline.'' * ''I have <u>two</u> '''hundred''' dollars on me.'' === Fractions === Fractions between 1 and 2 are used with plural nouns.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=207}} * ''The meeting lasted around <u>1.25</u> '''hours'''.'' == Notional agreement == '''Notional agreement''' (also called '''notional concord''' or '''synesis''') is a type of agreement that stems from the meaning. It is more commonly used in British English than in American English.<ref>{{cite web |title=On Notional Agreement, the Majority Speak |url=https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/notional-agreement-subject-verb-principle-proximity}}</ref> === And === Expressions joined by ''and'' generally take a plural verb.{{sfn|ELT|COBUILD|2017|p=799}}<ref name="grammarbook" />{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=206}}{{sfn|Hewings|2023|p=82}} * '''''A cat and a dog''' <u>are</u> playing in the garden.'' If the nouns, however, suggest one idea or refer to the same thing or person, the verb is singular.{{sfn|ELT|COBUILD|2017|p=799}}<ref name="grammarbook" />{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=206}}{{sfn|Hewings|2023|p=82}} * '''''The new bed and breakfast''' <u>opens</u> this week.'' * '''''The singer and songwriter''' <u>is</u> performing tonight.'' When expressions joined by ''and'' follow ''each'' or ''every'', the verb is singular.{{sfn|ELT|COBUILD|2017|p=799}}{{sfn|Hewings|2023|p=82}} * '''''Each teacher and student''' <u>has</u> completed the survey.'' The verb is also singular when uncountable nouns joined by ''and'' follow ''all''.{{sfn|ELT|COBUILD|2017|p=799}} * '''''All the information and advice''' <u>is</u> available on our website.'' === Amounts and quantities === Expressions of distance, sums of money, periods of time, etc., regarded as one unit, take singular determiners, verbs, and pronouns.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=204}}<ref name="grammarbook" />{{sfn|Murphy|2019|p=158}}<ref name=":37">{{cite web |url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/learningenglish/course/towards-advanced/unit-21/tab/grammar |title=Subject–Verb Agreement 2 |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref>{{sfn|Hewings|2023|p=84}} * '''''Five minutes''' <u>is</u> all I need.'' * '''''Fifty dollars''' <u>is</u> a fair price.'' * '''''Two liters''' of water <u>is</u> required for the experiment.'' However, when these expressions are deemed separate individual units, they are plural.<ref name="grammarbook" /><ref name=":37" /> * '''''A few dollars''' <u>were</u> missing from the victim's wallet.'' === Calculations === When speaking calculations, both singular and plural verbs are possible depending on the phrasing.<ref name=":37" />{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=507}} * '''''Three and three''' <u>is/are</u> six.'' * '''''Three plus three''' <u>is</u> six.'' === Groups === ==== American English ==== In American English, collective nouns (i.e. nouns expressing groups singular in form such as ''committee'', ''team'', ''Sony'' and ''The United Nations''){{sfn|Swan|2016|p=205}}{{sfn|Carter|McCarthy|2006|p=351}}{{sfn|Hewings|2023|p=80}} generally take singular verbs{{sfn|Murphy|2019|p=301}}<ref>{{cite web |title=family |url=https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/family |access-date=5 April 2026}}</ref> and either singular or plural pronouns.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=203}} * '''''The committee''' <u>was</u> arguing among <u>itself/themselves</u> during the session.'' * '''''My family''' <u>is</u> all coming over for Thanksgiving.'' * '''''The United Nations''' <u>is</u> holding a conference next month. <u>It/They</u> <u>has/have</u> invited delegates from all over the world to attend.'' ==== British English ==== In British English, collective nouns may take either singular or plural verb and pronouns forms.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=203}}{{sfn|Murphy|2019|p=301}} Singular forms are used when the emphasis is on the group as a whole.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=203}}{{sfn|Hewings|2023|p=80}} * '''''The committee''' <u>has</u> postponed <u>its</u> meeting until next week.'' In these cases ''which'' is also used as the relative pronoun.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=203}} * '''''The band''', <u>which</u> was formed in the 1980s, gained international fame.'' Plural forms are used when the emphasis is on the individual members.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=203}}{{sfn|Hewings|2023|p=80}} * '''''The committee''' <u>were</u> arguing among <u>themselves</u> during the session.'' In those cases ''who'' is often used as the relative pronoun.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=203}} * '''''The band''', <u>who</u> have been performing together for decades, released a new album.'' === Indefinite pronouns === As subjects, ''another'', ''anybody'', ''anyone'', ''anything'', ''each'', ''either'', ''every'', ''everybody'', ''everyone'', ''everything'', ''less'', ''little'', ''much'', ''neither'', ''no one'', ''nobody'', ''nothing'', ''one'', ''somebody'', ''someone'', and ''something'' take singular verbs.{{sfn|Murphy|2019|p=170, 180}} * '''''Everybody''' <u>is</u> a genius.'' The pronouns ''both'', ''few'', ''fewer'', ''many'', ''others'', and ''several'' take plural verbs. * '''''Few''' <u>know</u> the full story.'' The pronouns ''all'', ''any'', ''enough'', ''more'', ''most'', ''none'', ''some'', and ''such'' take a singular verb when they refer to an uncountable noun or a plural verb when they refer to a plural noun.<ref>{{cite web |url=https://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/british-grammar/no-none-and-none-of |title=No, none and none of |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref><ref name="grammarbook" /> * ''I found '''the equipment''' in the garage, but it turned out that '''none''' <u>is</u> useful.'' * ''I found '''the tools''' in the garage, but it turned out that '''none''' <u>are</u> useful.'' === "the number of" vs "a number of" and "the total" vs "a total of" === The literal phrase ''the number of'' takes a singular verb, whereas the fixed phrase ''a number of'' is treated as plural.<ref>{{cite web |url=https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/number |title=number |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |last=Straus |first=Jane |url=https://www.grammarbook.com/blog/numbers/the-number-vs-a-number |title=The Number vs. A Number |date=9 December 2010 |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |url=https://www.noslangues-ourlanguages.gc.ca/en/writing-tips-plus/verb-agreement-with-number |title=Verb agreement with "number" |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref> * '''''The number of''' cars on the roads <u>has</u> decreased.'' * '''''A number of''' people <u>have</u> complained about the noise.'' The same is true for ''the total'' and ''a total of''.<ref>{{Citation |last=Iverson |first=Cheryl, et al. (eds) |title=AMA Manual of Style |edition=10th |publisher=[[Oxford University Press]] |location=Oxford, Oxfordshire |year=2007 |isbn=978-0-19-517633-9 |url=https://archive.org/details/amamanualofstyle0000unse |section=7.8.11 Number |url-access=registration }}</ref> * '''''The total''' <u>was</u> growing.'' * '''''A total of''' 28 volunteers <u>have</u> submitted applications.'' == Special cases == === Titles and names === Titles and names plural in form and referring to a single thing (e.g. countries, movies, restaurants, and quotations) take singular verbs.{{sfn|Hewings|2023|p=80}}{{sfn|Eastwood|1994|p=192}}{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=205}} * '''''The Netherlands''' <u>is</u> famous for <u>its</u> fields of tulips.'' * '' '''''The Avengers''''' <u>has</u> been a huge box-office success.'' * '''''The New York Times''' <u>is</u> an American newspaper.'' * '''''"Sales figures"''' <u>is</u> the phrase used in the report title.'' ==== the United States ==== Usually ''the United States'' is used with a singular verb just like other countries. However, it's possible to use it with a plural noun though it's not common.<ref>{{cite web |title=fraction |url=https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/the-united-states-of-america |access-date=10 July 2026 |language=en}}</ref> * '''''The United States''' <u>is</u> (or rarely: <u>are</u>) the country with the largest number of English native speakers.'' === What/Who questions === In questions, ''what'' and ''who'' are followed by a singular verb when they are used as subject.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=207}}{{sfn|Hewings|2023|p=52}} * '''''Who''' <u>lives</u> in that house?'' However, when they are used as complements (this happens often after linking verbs), they are followed by either a plural or singular verb.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=207}}{{sfn|Hewings|2023|p=52}} * '''''Who''' <u>is</u> the person living in that house?'' * '''''Who''' <u>are</u> the people living in that house?'' Both versions are also possible in echo questions if the subject is plural or consists of at least two nouns with "and".{{sfn|Hewings|2023|p=52}} * '''''John and Mary''' are coming tomorrow. – <u>Who are</u> coming tomorrow?'' * '''''John and Mary''' are coming tomorrow. – <u>Who's</u> coming tomorrow?'' === A pair of === After ''a pair of,'' both singular and plural verbs can be used.<ref>{{cite web |title=pair |url=https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/pair_1 |access-date=5 April 2026}}</ref> * '''''A pair of glasses''' <u>is/are</u> on the bench.'' === Clauses === Singular verbs are used with clauses used as subjects.{{sfn|Hewings|2023|p=80}}{{sfn|Eastwood|1994|p=193}} * '''''What she said''' <u>was</u> suspicious.'' * '''''For all of us to get enough sleep''' <u>is</u> crucial.'' * '''''To err''' <u>is</u> human.'' * '''''Where they went''' <u>remains</u> unknown.'' ==== Everyone, everybody, and each ==== When pronouns refer back to ''everyone'', ''everybody'', and ''each'' they may be singular (more formal) or plural (less formal).{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=238}}<ref name=":39" /> * '''''Everyone''' is responsible for <u>his or her</u> actions.'' * '''''Everyone''' is responsible for <u>their</u> actions.'' ==== Each ==== When ''each'' refers to the subject and is in mid-position, plural nouns, pronouns, and verbs are used.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=240}}<ref name=":39" /> * ''<u>The students</u> '''each''' <u>have</u> <u>their</u> own locker.'' === More than one === The expression ''more than one'' uses a singular noun and verb.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=204}} * '''''More than one''' <u>factor</u> <u>contributes</u> to climate change.'' === Here's, there's, and where's === In informal style, ''here's, there's, and where's'' are often used with plural nouns (instead of ''here are, there are, where are''); sometimes this is considered incorrect.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=207}}<ref name="grammarbook" />{{sfn|Hewings|2023|p=82}} * ''<u>Where are</u> (or questionable: <u>Where's</u>) '''my keys'''?'' === Any of, none of, either of, and neither of === After ''any of''{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=246}}{{sfn|Hewings|2023|p=82}}, ''none of''{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=249}}{{sfn|Murphy|2019|p=172}}{{sfn|Hewings|2023|p=82}}, ''either of''{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=242}}<ref>{{cite web |url=https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/either_1 |title=either |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref><ref name=":29" />{{sfn|Hewings|2023|p=82}}<ref>{{cite web |url=https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/either |title=either |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref>, and ''neither of''{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=243}}{{sfn|Murphy|2019|p=178}}<ref>{{cite web |url=https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/neither_1 |title=neither |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref><ref name=":30" />{{sfn|Hewings|2023|p=82}}<ref>{{cite web |url=https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/neither |title=neither |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref>, English uses a plural personal pronoun or a plural determiner and noun and optionally a singular verb in formal style or a plural verb in informal style. * '''''Any of''' <u>the students</u> <u>is/are</u> allowed to retake the test.'' * '''''None of''' <u>the students</u> <u>is/are</u> ready for the exam.'' * '''''Either of''' <u>them</u> <u>is/are</u> welcome to join us.'' * '''''Neither of''' <u>them</u> <u>is/are</u> ready yet.'' === Each of === ''Each of'' is normally followed by a plural personal pronoun or a plural determiner and noun and a singular verb{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=239-240}}. However in informal style a plural verb is sometimes used.{{sfn|Hewings|2023|p=82}}<ref>{{cite web |url=https://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/british-grammar/each |title=Each |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref> * '''''Each of''' <u>the books</u> <u>has</u> (or informally: <u>have</u>) a different cover design.'' === Expressions with "in" and "out of" === After number followed by ''in'' or ''out of'', English uses a number with a plural noun and either a singular or plural verb.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=503}} * ''Almost '''nine in ten students''' <u>hate(s)</u> math.'' * ''Over '''six out of ten young men''' <u>feel(s)</u> lonely regularly.'' === Every one of === ''Every one of'' is followed by a plural personal pronoun or a plural determiner and noun and a singular verb.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=237}} * '''''Every one of''' <u>her arguments</u> <u>is</u> wrong.'' === One of === The expression ''one of'' is usually followed by a plural noun.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=204}} * ''<u>One of</u> '''the apples''' is rotten.'' Sometimes ''one of'' is used with a singular noun referring to a group.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=661}} * ''Why don't you invite <u>one of</u> '''the team''' for lunch?'' The verb after the noun is singular.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=204}} * '''''One of my co-workers''' <u>is</u> from Seoul.'' After ''one of'' in the relative clauses, both plural and singular verbs are used; the plural form is generally considered correct.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=205}} * ''He's '''one of the professors''' who <u>teach</u> quantum physics.'' === The === The phrase consisting of ''the'' and an adjective is plural when referring to well-known groups of people in a particular physical or social condition.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=279}}{{sfn|ELT|COBUILD|2017|p=65}}{{sfn|Murphy|2019|p=152}}<ref name=":40">{{cite web |title=Subject-Verb Agreement 1 |url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/learningenglish/course/towards-advanced/unit-20/tab/grammar |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref> * ''Do '''the disabled''' <u>have</u> special facilities?'' In certain fixed, formal expressions, the phrase consisting of ''the'' and an adjective may be singular.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=279}} * '''''The deceased''' <u>has</u> not yet been formally identified.'' The phrase consisting of ''the'' and an adjective is singular when it refers to general abstract ideas.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=280}} * '''''The unknown''' <u>is</u> often scarier than the known.'' The phrase consisting of ''the'' and an adjective is plural when referring to people from a specific country.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=279}}{{sfn|Murphy|2019|p=152}}<ref name=":40" /> * '''''The Japanese''' <u>value</u> punctuality highly.'' === (Either) or, (neither) nor, not only (but) also === The verb should agree with the expression in these structures closest to it ('''the rule of proximity'''). Other forms of agreement occur, but they are not considered correct.{{sfn|Swan|2016|p=206}}{{sfn|ELT|COBUILD|2017|p=799}}<ref name="grammarbook" /><ref name=":25">{{cite web |url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/learningenglish/course/towards-advanced/unit-22/tab/grammar |title=Subject–Verb Agreement 3 |access-date=5 April 2026 |language=en}}</ref>{{sfn|Hewings|2023|p=82}} * ''Either my teacher or '''I''' <u>am</u> wrong.'' * ''<u>Are</u> neither '''the employees''' nor the manager aware of the change?'' == References == {{reflist}} == Bibliography == === Books === * {{cite book |last=Swan |first=Michael |title=Practical English Usage |edition=4th |year=2016 |publisher=Oxford University Press |location=Oxford |isbn=978-0-19-420243-5}} * {{cite book |last=Hewings |first=Martin |title=Advanced Grammar in Use: Book with Answers and eBook and Online Test |edition=4th |year=2023 |publisher=Cambridge University Press & Assessment |location=Oxford |isbn=9781108920216}} * {{cite book |last=Murphy |first=Raymond |title=English Grammar in Use |edition=5th |year=2019 |publisher=Cambridge University Press}} * {{cite book |last=Eastwood |first=John |title=Oxford Guide to English Grammar |publisher=Oxford University Press |year=1994}} * {{cite book |last1=Carter |first1=Ronald |last2=McCarthy |first2=Michael |title=Cambridge Grammar of English: A Comprehensive Guide |year=2006}} * {{cite book |last1=ELT |first1=Collins |last2=COBUILD |first2=Collins |title=Collins COBUILD Grammar - COBUILD English Grammar |publisher=Collins Cobuild |date=2017-03-23 |isbn=978-0-00-813581-2}} * {{cite book |last=Uk |first=Collins |title=Collins COBUILD Grammar - English Usage: B1-C2 |date=2019 |isbn=978-0-00-835640-8 |publisher=HarperCollins Publishers Limited |edition=Fourth}} * {{cite book |last=Einsohn |first=Amy |title=The Copyeditor's Handbook: A Guide for Book Publishing and Corporate Communications |edition=Fourth}} 3r3wyp3pimtisvdif3avmvbra0c5df1 0 484792 4654199 2026-07-12T12:33:51Z 一隻北極熊 3609960 Created page with "Chiang Wei-shui and Lin Hsien-tang were the foremost pioneers of Taiwan’s non-violent political and cultural movements during the Japanese colonial era. Together, they founded the Taiwanese Cultural Association in 1921 to awaken Taiwanese national consciousness, subsequently championing separate political, economic, and democratic reforms. ==Taiwanese Parliament Petition Movement== Lin led a decade-long, organized effort beginning in 1921 to petition the Imperial Diet..." 4654199 wikitext text/x-wiki Chiang Wei-shui and Lin Hsien-tang were the foremost pioneers of Taiwan’s non-violent political and cultural movements during the Japanese colonial era. Together, they founded the Taiwanese Cultural Association in 1921 to awaken Taiwanese national consciousness, subsequently championing separate political, economic, and democratic reforms. ==Taiwanese Parliament Petition Movement== Lin led a decade-long, organized effort beginning in 1921 to petition the Imperial Diet in Tokyo for the establishment of a popularly elected, self-governing assembly in Taiwan. ==Taiwanese Cultural Association== Co-founded with Lin in 1921, Chiang used it to combat what he termed "cultural malnutrition" through public lectures, night schools, and film screenings. t61xdng8csxynt5ekjqhrf1nmmwx16p