New Enterprise Linux distribution on the horizon

Wikinews enwikinews https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Main_Page MediaWiki 1.39.0-wmf.21 first-letter Media Special Talk User User talk Wikinews Wikinews talk File File talk MediaWiki MediaWiki talk Template Template talk Help Help talk Category Category talk Thread Thread talk Summary Summary talk Portal Portal talk Comments Comments talk TimedText TimedText talk Module Module talk Gadget Gadget talk Gadget definition Gadget definition talk New Enterprise Linux distribution on the horizon 0 14578 4684502 2290328 2022-07-21T10:39:08Z SVTCobra 9158 added [[Category:Red Hat]] using [[Help:Gadget-HotCat|HotCat]] wikitext text/x-wiki {{date|July 10, 2005}} Sources close to three distributors of the [[w:Linux|GNU/Linux]] operating systems have announced that [[w:Progeny Linux Systems|Progeny]], [[w:Mandriva|Mandriva]] and [[w:TurboLinux|TurboLinux]] are working together on a new Enterprise Linux distribution in the hope of competing with [[w:Novell|Novell's]] and [[w:Red Hat|Red Hat's]] products. The new distribution will be [[w:Debian|Debian-based]], making it the first Debian-based enterprise Linux distribution. According to [http://eweek.com eWeek.com], the distribution will support both Debian's native .deb package format (including [[w:Advanced Packaging Tool|APT]]) and Red Hat's original [[w:RPM Package Manager|RPM]] system, in order to remain compatible with the many Red Hat-based enterprise distributions such as [[w:Red Hat Enterprise Linux|Red Hat Enterprise Linux]] and [[w:SUSE|SUSE]] - according to one vendor, "Basically the objective is to produce a distro that can act like Debian, use the Debian repository, but any Red Hat engineer should be comfortable with it." The distribution will also include a (within Debian) pioneering Web-based service manager for easy system administration, comparable to [[w:Red Hat Enterprise Linux|RHEL's]] tools of late. ==Source== *{{source|url=http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1834942,00.asp |title=Vendors Team on Debian-Based Enterprise Linux |pub=eWeek.com |author= |date=July 10, 2005}} {{Publish}} {{PD-Article}} {{archive}} [[Category:Computing]] [[Category:FLOSS]] [[Category:Economy and business]] [[Category:Linux]] [[Category:Software]] [[Category:Red Hat]] 5xwrku1lanjmr0i5y1gd65w1kpqdn65 4684510 4684502 2022-07-21T10:52:58Z SVTCobra 9158 {{w}} and local links wikitext text/x-wiki {{date|July 10, 2005}} Sources close to three distributors of the [[Linux|GNU/Linux]] operating systems have announced that {{w|Progeny Linux Systems|Progeny}}, {{w|Mandriva}} and {{w|TurboLinux}} are working together on a new Enterprise Linux distribution in the hope of competing with {{w|Novell}}'s and [[Red Hat]]'s products. The new distribution will be {{w|Debian|Debian-based}}, making it the first Debian-based enterprise Linux distribution. According to ''{{w|eWeek}}'', the distribution will support both Debian's native .deb package format (including {{w|Advanced Packaging Tool|APT}}) and Red Hat's original {{w|RPM Package Manager|RPM}} system, in order to remain compatible with the many Red Hat-based enterprise distributions such as {{w|Red Hat Enterprise Linux}} (RHEL) and {{w|SUSE}} — according to one vendor, "Basically the objective is to produce a distro that can act like Debian, use the Debian repository, but any Red Hat engineer should be comfortable with it." The distribution will also include a (within Debian) pioneering Web-based service manager for easy system administration, comparable to RHEL's tools of late. ==Source== *{{source|url=http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1834942,00.asp |title=Vendors Team on Debian-Based Enterprise Linux |pub=eWeek |author= |date=July 10, 2005}} {{Publish}} {{PD-Article}} {{archive}} [[Category:Computing]] [[Category:FLOSS]] [[Category:Economy and business]] [[Category:Linux]] [[Category:Software]] [[Category:Red Hat]] 4hp79mu399ythxna5qd22ezc3d3e5xb Wikinews:Water cooler/miscellaneous 4 85978 4684474 4684351 2022-07-21T03:02:01Z Revibot I 1627724 Bot: Archiving 2 threads (older than 30 days) to [[Wikinews:Water cooler/miscellaneous/archives/2022/June]] wikitext text/x-wiki '''{{refresh}}''' __NEWSECTIONLINK__ [[Wikinews:Water cooler/miscellaneous/Archive|Archive]] <inputbox> bgcolor=transparent type=fulltext prefix=Wikinews:Water cooler/miscellaneous break=yes width=50 searchbuttonlabel=Search current discussions and archives </inputbox> ---- {{User:MiszaBot/config |archive = Wikinews:Water cooler/miscellaneous/archives/%(year)d/%(monthname)s |algo = old(30d) |counter = 1 |minthreadsleft = 1 }} {{Archivebox| {{hidden|2009|{{Archive months| archives=archives | year=2009}}}} {{hidden|2010|{{Archive months| archives=archives | year=2010}}}} {{hidden|2011|{{Archive months| archives=archives | year=2011}}}} {{hidden|2012|{{Archive months| archives=archives | year=2012}}}} {{hidden|2013|{{Archive months| archives=archives | year=2013}}}} {{hidden|2014|{{Archive months| archives=archives | year=2014}}}} {{hidden|2015|{{Archive months| archives=archives | year=2015}}}} {{hidden|2016|{{Archive months| archives=archives | year=2016}}}} {{hidden|2017|{{Archive months| archives=archives | year=2017}}}} {{hidden|2018|{{Archive months| archives=archives | year=2018}}}} {{hidden|2019|{{Archive months| archives=archives | year=2019}}}} {{hidden|2020|{{Archive months| archives=archives | year=2020}}}} {{hidden|2021|{{Archive months| archives=archives | year=2021}}}} {{Archive months| archives=archives | year=2022}} }}<noinclude> __TOC__</noinclude>  == Would invisible comments help expedite the review process? == It is my understanding that reviewing an article can take some time because the reviewer has to check all the sources. I imagine the process is complicated by the fact that we don't use inline citations like on Wikipedia. So this made me wonder: would it be useful to put sources in HTML comments? Although the comments would be invisible to normal readers, reviewers would be able to use them to check the source of each statement. --[[User:Ixfd64|Ixfd64]] ([[User talk:Ixfd64|talk]]) 22:16, 30 May 2022 (UTC) :: Interesting point. I also wonder if Wikinews has guidelines for reviewers, and if so can someone please provide a link, thanks in advance, [[User:Ottawahitech|Ottawahitech]] ([[User talk:Ottawahitech|talk]]) 18:32, 13 June 2022 (UTC) :::{{re|Ixfd64}} Apologies for the delayed response. Invisible comments help the reviewer immensely. If the comments just say exactly where in the source the information is from, it saves the reviewer having to look through each source for each piece of information. I know it shifts the onus to the article writers but it is a method I use professionally in my paid employment. I’m sure there are people who can zoom through a thousand words with photographic memories and light-speed scanning but I’m not one of those people. Even if have read a source, I’m still going to need to go back several times to check if I read something there. The shortest articles (150-200 words with two sources) are very easy to review (may be half an hour). However, if it is 1,000+ words with potentially a dozen sources and no hidden comments, a reviewer could be looking at 2-3 hours of checking. So, yes, please do add the hidden comments after every piece of information and help cut the reviewing time. ['''[[:User:Cromium|<sub>24</sub>Cr]]''']['''[[:User talk:Cromium|talk]]'''] 12:41, 26 June 2022 (UTC) ::::Thanks for the information. This is very good to know! --[[User:Ixfd64|Ixfd64]] ([[User talk:Ixfd64|talk]]) 16:16, 26 June 2022 (UTC) :::{{re|Ottawahitech}} I’m not sure if there are specific guidelines on hidden comments but we have [[:WN:Reviewing articles]] as the main policy and some other out of date pages. Other policies and guidelines also play a part, such as [[:WN:NPOV]]. The general expectation of potential new reviewers has been to "learn on the job", i.e. if you can regularly craft articles that pass review, then you’ve probably got a good grasp of the reviewing process. ['''[[:User:Cromium|<sub>24</sub>Cr]]''']['''[[:User talk:Cromium|talk]]'''] 12:53, 26 June 2022 (UTC) == Desktop Improvements update == [[File:Table of contents shown on English Wikipedia 02.webm|thumb]] ; Making this the new default Hello. I wanted to give you an update about the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements|Desktop Improvements]] project, which the Wikimedia Foundation Web team has been working on for the past few years. Our work is almost finished! 🎉 We would love to see these improvements become the default for readers and editors across all wikis. <span style="background-color:#fc3;">In the coming weeks, we will begin conversations on more wikis, including yours. 🗓️</span> We will gladly read your suggestions! The goals of the project are to make the interface more welcoming and comfortable for readers and useful for advanced users. The project consists of a series of feature improvements which make it easier to read and learn, navigate within the page, search, switch between languages, use article tabs and the user menu, and more. 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The Elections Committee will oversee the process, supported by the Movement Strategy and Governance team. MSG will check that the questions are clear, there are no duplicates, no typos, and so on.</span> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> Best, </div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> Movement Strategy and Governance </div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> <small>''This message was sent on behalf of the Board Selection Task Force and the Elections Committee''</small> </div> <section end="announcement-content" />[[User:MNadzikiewicz (WMF)|MNadzikiewicz (WMF)]] ([[User talk:MNadzikiewicz (WMF)|talk]]) 13:41, 12 July 2022 (UTC) == 15-year-old article featured on main page? == The main page is showing the article [[Tour de France: Cédric Vasseur wins stage 10]], which was published in July 2007. Is there a reason for this? --[[User:Ixfd64|Ixfd64]] ([[User talk:Ixfd64|talk]]) 18:44, 13 July 2022 (UTC) :Thanks {{re|Ixfd64}} No idea how that happened but I’ve removed it. ['''[[:User:Cromium|<sub>24</sub>Cr]]''']['''[[:User talk:Cromium|talk]]'''] 18:53, 13 July 2022 (UTC) ::It looks as if the [[Template:published]] template was only recently added to the article. I've noticed it is also appearing near the top of lists and templates, e.g. [[Template:Europe]] --[[User:CSJJ104|CSJJ104]] ([[User talk:CSJJ104|talk]]) 13:14, 17 July 2022 (UTC) :::I am pretty sure it is because {{tl|Publish}} was changed to {{tl|Published}}, making it look like it was published recently. {{tl|Publish}} is the main template while {{tl|Published}} is pretty much a redirect and serves as an alternative. I don't have the technical knowledge to say how or where the date of adding the template is stored, but it affects pages which rely on DPL. It has, for example, also affected [[:Category:2007 Tour de France]]'s "Latest stories" section. Cheers, [[User:SVTCobra|'''SVT''']][[User Talk:SVTCobra|''Cobra'']] 00:51, 19 July 2022 (UTC) == Tech News: 2022-29 == <section begin="technews-2022-W29"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2022/29|Translations]] are available. '''Problems''' * The feature on mobile web for [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:NearbyPages|Nearby Pages]] was missing last week. It will be fixed this week. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T312864] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.39/wmf.21|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2022-07-19|en}}. 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Here is a bit: My recent article about Texas wildfires, I noticed how hard it was to find anything that would fit (settled on a Fire Engine for the city of Austin, Texas).--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 15:11, 19 July 2022 (UTC) :Best shot is with Commons. With my article on UK obesity, I really went through loads of categories and searched photos all over to settle on a supermarket advertising processed meats, which I guess is junk food? In your (your?) latest on monkeypox, I just went with a map which included Virginia. Sometimes, 'good enough' has to do. [[User:JJLiu112|JJLiu112]] ([[User talk:JJLiu112|talk]]) 15:26, 19 July 2022 (UTC) :Similar to what JJ said, I find it best to wade through Commons categories, rather than relying on the search feature. Did you find [[:Commons:Category:Wildfires in Texas]] while searching? 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['''[[:User:Cromium|<sub>24</sub>Cr]]''']['''[[:User talk:Cromium|talk]]'''] 07:22, 21 July 2022 (UTC) 8myvnfl69avf35nony3w1hebu3ghph4 Red Hat to move focus away from CentOS in favour of Stream; CentOS team discuss implications with Wikinews 0 2911067 4684500 4602313 2022-07-21T10:37:18Z SVTCobra 9158 added [[Category:Red Hat]] using [[Help:Gadget-HotCat|HotCat]] wikitext text/x-wiki {{DISPLAYTITLE:Red Hat to move focus away from CentOS in favour of Stream; CentOS team discuss implications with <em>Wikinews</em>}}{{date|December 14, 2020}}[[File:Centos-logo-light.svg|thumb|Logo of CentOS.{{image|{{w|CentOS}}}}]] On Tuesday, [[US]]-based [[software]] company {{w|Red Hat}} announced their plans to shift their focus away from {{w|CentOS}} in favour of {{w|CentOS Stream}}. [[File:Chris Wright.jpg|left|thumb|Chris Wright is the CTO of Red Hat.{{image|Red Hat}}]] In the blog post {{w|Chris Wright (programmer)|Chris Wright}}, the Chief Technological Officer of Red Hat said Red Hat had informed the CentOS governing board that Red Hat was "shifting our investment fully from CentOS Linux to CentOS Stream". At least five of the nine CentOS Governing Board listed on the project are Red Hat employees.  Started in 2004, CentOS has been a free-of-cost [[FLOSS|free/libre open source software]] which provided {{w|binary-code compatibility}} with Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) — Red Hat's {{w|GNU General Public License|GNU General Public Licensed}} paid operating system. CentOS was absorbed into Red Hat in 2014, with Red Hat gaining the trademark rights of "CentOS". Red Hat also sponsors the {{w|Fedora (operating system)|Fedora}} operating system. Red Hat even gives the software engineering interns laptops with Fedora on it. Till now, software development took place on Fedora, which was later adopted in RHEL, which the Red Hat maintained and provided support for, for those customers who had RHEL subscription. CentOS would then follow RHEL to provide the same features free of cost, but without the support. Stream was announced in September 2019, just two months after Red Hat was acquired by [[IBM]]. CentOS Stream's development cycle had new features added to it before the features became a part of RHEL. Stream receives more frequent updates, however, it does not follow RHEL's release cycle. With CentOS Stream, developments from the community and the Red Hat emplyees would take place beforehand on both Fedora, and Stream as a {{w|rolling release}}, before those features are absorbed into RHEL. CentOS followed the release cycle of RHEL and therefore it was a stable distribution. Features available in CentOS were tried and tested by Fedora, and then RHEL maintainers. Stream, on the other hand, has features added to it before those features become a part of RHEL. That implies Stream would be ahead of RHEL's development, containing new features which are not yet tried and tested by RHEL developers, and not be binary code-compatible with RHEL. Writing "The future of CentOS Linux is CentOS Stream", Wright further wrote in the announcement, CentOS Stream "provides a platform for rapid innovation at the community level but with a stable enough base to understand production dynamics." Wright also said, "CentOS Stream isn't a replacement for CentOS Linux; rather, it's a natural, inevitable next step intended to fulfill the project's goal of furthering enterprise Linux innovation." Since the announcement was made, many people expressed their anger on {{w|Internet Relay Chat}} (IRC), [[Reddit]] and CentOS project's mailing list. CentOS 8's End of Life (EOL) has been moved up from May 2029 to December 31, 2021, while CentOS 7 is expected to receive maintenance updates through June 2024, outliving CentOS 8. [[File:Gregory Kurtzer.jpg|left|thumb|Kurtzer started the CentOS project.{{image|Gregory Kurtzer}}]] Gregory Kurtzer, who had started the CentOS project, announced a new operating system, Rocky Linux. Rocky Linux describes itself as "a community enterprise Operating System designed to be 100% bug-for-bug compatible with Enterprise Linux". The project said "Rocky Linux aims to function as a downstream build as CentOS had done previously, building releases after they have been added to the upstream vendor, not before." The project maintainers have not decided a date for when the operating system will be released. Kurtzer explained the reason to call the OS as Rocky Linux: "Thinking back to early CentOS days... My cofounder was Rocky McGaugh. He is no longer with us, so as a H/T [{{w|hat tip}}] to him, who never got to see the success that CentOS came to be, I introduce to you...Rocky Linux". [[File:RichBowen.jpg|left|thumb|Rich Bowen, who works for Red Hat, is the community manager of the CentOS project.{{image|Red Hat}}]] [[File:Pablo Greco.jpg|thumb|Pablo Greco is in the CentOS project's QA team.{{image|Pablo Greco}}]] ''Wikinews'' reached out to the members of the CentOS project, Pablo Greco and Rich Bowen, to discuss this move, its implications as well as the future of CentOS. Greco is a maintainer of {{w|armhf|armhfp}} (32-bit processors) and is a part of the CentOS' {{w|quality assurance}} team. Bowen — who unlike Greco, works for Red Hat — is the community manager of the CentOS project. {{clear}} {{update|Gregory Kurtzer discusses plans for Rocky Linux with Wikinews as Red Hat announces moving focus away from CentOS|December 18, 2020}} == Interview with the CentOS team == [[File:Raspberry-Pi-2-Bare-BR.jpg|thumb|Raspberry Pi 2 uses the 32-bit ARM processor.{{image|[[c:User:Evan-Amos|Evan-Amos]]}}]] {{WNI first question}} '''Can you tell me about your current role in the CentOS development, and how did you get involved with the project?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} I'm the armhfp maintainer, basically helping out fixing things that are not part of the Red Hat supported architectures. I do help out with other things like secondary {{w|Kernel (operating system)|kernels}}, and creating images for armhfp and {{w|AArch64|aarch64}}. I got involved not too long ago when a project that I was working on needed to use ARMv7 hardware, and although CentOS had a version, it wasn't complete. {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} I'm Rich Bowen and I'm the Community Manager for the CentOS project. That means that it's my job to help people get involved in the project, manage the social media and newsletters (the "voice" of the project), and generally work with the community. I've been at Red Hat for almost 8 years, and during that time have worked in this capacity with a couple of other projects, too. I've been dedicated to the CentOS Project for going on 3 years now. And I've been doing {{w|open source}} stuff for about 25 years now. I should also note that I'm not alone — either on this team, or in responding to these questions. I have a team of colleagues who help me out with CentOS through the Open Source Program Office (OSPO) at Red Hat, and across the many other departments that are part of the {{w|Fedora (operating system)|Fedora}}/{{w|Red Hat Enterprise Linux}} (RHEL)/{{w|CentOS}} projects at Red Hat. There's also a number of colleagues looking over my shoulder as I write this response, to ensure that I get the story straight. As a community manager, I'm not the technical expert on all the things, and so I need that support to get the details right in some of your questions. {{WNIQ}} '''What is the relationship between CentOS and RHEL?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} CentOS started as an external project, that was acquired by Red Hat 7 or 8 years ago. But I don't think that it counts as an answer. I think you'll get a better answer from people from Red Hat. {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} In many ways, it's the same as it's always been, but with a different end result and project structure. This is a community-focused open source project that delivers a strong Linux distribution foundation where non-operating-system focused ("layered") open source projects can develop, test, and innovate. For example, {{w|Ceph (software)|Ceph}} and {{w|Remote Data Objects|RDO}}. The main shift with this evolution of a focus on {{w|CentOS Stream}} is how it is developed in the open, in the community space, allowing contributors to get involved in the creation and shaping of the future. This also means RHEL users, customers, partners, independent hardware/software vendors, and anyone else can participate in the future of RHEL in true open source fashion. In the past, the relationship between Fedora, RHEL, and CentOS was effectively, "Fedora gets snapshot every so many years, then RHEL engineers develop RHEL behind closed doors until release day, then the RHEL source code is released, then CentOS would take the RHEL source and rebuild." While that is an oversimplification, it is essentially accurate. Now the new structure is, "Fedora gets snapshot every so often and becomes the basis for the next CentOS Stream release, then development happens in the open with community contribution involvement and influence, and then RHEL rebases frequently on CentOS Stream." This moment of integration is called "the development phase" in the RHEL engineering process. This is being misinterpreted as a "beta". Rather, this is an aspect of a distribution that is continuously delivered. This is not software that is untested and not considered ready for inclusion in RHEL. It is already planned for the next RHEL release, has passed QA [quality assurance] and {{w|Continuous integration|CI}} [Continuous Integration] checks, and is considered stable. In the past, this software went right into RHEL without external visibility. We don't schedule software for inclusion into RHEL unless it has been used/tested/integrated at other levels (such as Fedora), and is considered stable enough for inclusion. This same philosophy will still be at play with CentOS Stream. One thing I would like to highlight here is this is the first time in the history of RHEL that development happens in the open and allows for collaboration and contribution from the broader open source community. That is a large goal of CentOS Stream and we're making the move to focus on that entirely. [[File:Flock 2018 - RHEL, Fedora and CentOS - Solving The Penrose Triangle.webm|thumb|Flock 2018 — Solving the Penrose Triangle.{{image|Fedora Project}}]] For an example of where this evolution has been discussed in the past, this presentation from Fedora's Flock 2018 "The Penrose Triangle" shows how this problem has been discussed and worked through for a number of years now.  [[File:IBM logo.svg|thumb|[[IBM]] acquired Red Hat, CentOS's parent company, last year.{{image|Paul Rand}}]] {{WNIQ}} '''How has CentOS evolved after Red Hat acquired it? How has it evolved since IBM acquired Red Hat last year?''' {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} The biggest change when CentOS came to Red Hat was that individuals who were working on CentOS in their weekends and evenings now had the ability to devote more time to it. In addition, the project for the first time was able to put significant resources on helping make the platform useful for open source software development of other projects in Red Hat's ecosystem. This included the expansion of the SIG program [Special Interest Groups] to include layered projects like {{w|Gluster}}, and {{w|OpenStack}}. IBM is not involved in the CentOS community or Red Hat's work in it. An unfortunate misconception about this announcement has been conspiracy theories about IBM's involvement in this decision. Red Hat operates independently from IBM, and IBM had no influence or involvement in the decision. [[File:Fedora logo.svg|thumb|Logo of Fedora, which is also owned by Red Hat.{{image|[[c:User:Wondigoma|Wondigoma]]}}]] {{WNIQ}} '''What are the similarities between CentOS, Fedora and RHEL?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} I'm gonna explain in a really loose way, ok? Fedora is where everything starts, all the fast moving packages. Some maintained by Red Hat employees, some by contributors. Every few years, Red Hat gets sort of a snapshot of Fedora, and starts stabilizing and improving it, and that becomes RHEL. CentOS originally was a rebuild of that. About 1 year ago, Stream was introduced, as a way to make the work around RHEL more public, allowing the users to contribute. Making it sort of a continuous preview of what's to come for RHEL. That doesn't imply anything about it being of lower quality by definition, or some {{w|Perpetual beta|continuous beta}} like some people call it. Many of the packages that are built for stream, reach the next version of RHEL unmodified. So even if there is a higher level of testing in Stream, it is far from a traditional {{w|beta version|beta}}. {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} They are each Linux distribution projects, which work on a common code base at different points in its life. It's born in an {{w|Upstream (software development)|upstream}} open source project, and travels through each of the projects as it matures. From a community perspective, the projects are each run as open, collaborative communities, but with different audiences. By the time we get to RHEL, it's done inside Red Hat, but that team also operates with the principles of open source. The exciting thing about CentOS Stream is that it makes RHEL development more open, both in terms of decision making, and in who can participate. We're believers in the Four Opens, as the OpenStack community talks about them here — <nowiki>https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/opens.html</nowiki> Our roots are in open source, but that's not enough without the other three. {{WNIQ}} '''What are the similarities and differences between CentOS and CentOS Stream? Or do they just share the name and are completely different?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} For me, Stream is not CentOS, Stream is the next RHEL, the rest is just branding. {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} The name "CentOS" is frequently misused, and has been for a long time, so here are the basics: CentOS is the project. CentOS Linux is a rebuild of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL). CentOS Stream is an upstream distribution from RHEL, which reflects what the RHEL team intend to put into the next minor release of RHEL. The CentOS Project also contains other things, such as the SIGs (Special Interest Groups), the Promo/Events team, the CI/CD and build system (CBS) project, and so on. {{WNIQ}} '''Do you have any stats for the userbase of CentOS vs Stream?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} I don't, but Stream is rather new so I don't expect the number to be that big. I've been using Stream for most of my things ever since it came out, and I love the idea for it. The only problem is that Stream is being used as an excuse to kill CentOS, and that's the part I hate. {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} We don't. For reasons of privacy, we have never kept server logs around CentOS Linux, and other CentOS Project "downloads." And these files are served by a large {{w|Mirror site|mirror}} network distributed around the world, much of which we don't have any actual access to. I put the word downloads in quotes, because installing a Linux distribution isn't exactly just downloading something. It's composed of thousands of packages which are (can be) installed independently, and figuring out which of those packages are going to CentOS Stream machines, vs CentOS Linux machines (vs {{w|Oracle Linux}} machines, and so on) and which ones are being mirrored for further use by additional users behind a firewall, is a lot of guesswork. We have some general ideas, but have always been reluctant to try to put actual numbers on it, because of these reasons and others. Linux user surveys [...] perhaps have a better handle on this than we do, since we have simply never gathered these stats. {{WNIQ}} '''Could you briefly explain what Red Hat announced and what it means for the future of CentOS?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} They announced that the CentOS as we all know it, doesn't exist anymore, there's only Stream from now on. This applies to all releases starting with [CentOS] 8, [CentOS] 7 seems to be unaffected by this. In my view, CentOS is dead, there is no CentOS anymore, because as I said, I view Stream as a RHEL thing and not a CentOS thing. {{WNIQ}} '''Could you briefly explain Chris Wright's announcement, and what it means for the future of CentOS?''' {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} The future of CentOS is stronger than ever, as it is now literally in the critical path of RHEL development. The CentOS Project as a community continues, and in fact the community grows more facets as CentOS Stream provides more ways where the community can engage with Red Hat and each other. There will be some growing pains as users of CentOS Linux find out and help shape whether CentOS Stream meets their needs. Communities are built in overcoming challenges together, and there are many challenges ahead in making CentOS Stream right for members of the CentOS community. A major aspect of this is that in the past, CentOS Linux users could not shape the future of the distro within the project. From now on, not only developers but end users of all types will be able to shape the future of the distro. If CentOS Stream does not meet a user's need today, now they can advocate and contribute toward it meeting their needs as it evolves. {{WNIQ}} '''Did Red Hat speak with the CentOS core developer team about this plan?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} I don't have a contractual relation with Red Hat, just as many of the people that helped in the CentOS-QA team. I assume that those who are knew about this, but the rest of us didn't. But this is all my assumption, don't have any evidence one way or the other. {{WNIQ}} '''Did Red Hat speak with the CentOS core developer team about this plan? Were there any oppositions within Red Hat about this decision? Was it put to vote?''' {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} Red Hat discussed this with the CentOS Governing Board, which is responsible for the oversight of the CentOS Project. There was a lot of back-and-forth on that proposal. The CentOS Governing Board voted and reached consensus. Red Hat's engineering resource focus has never been decided by voting. Some of the core developers are on the Governing Board but not everyone in our community was involved in the decision. As I'll touch on later in this interview, that's one of the reasons that some of the community have taken this change so hard. Is every Red Hatter happy with the announcement? Of course not. A big part of Red Hat's culture is the ability to voice an opinion and ask hard questions. And Red Hatters have definitely expressed their thoughts about this. {{WNIQ}} '''Do you know why this sudden move from Red Hat?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} No idea, I can assume it was a business decision, but no information whatsoever. {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} CentOS Stream was introduced in September 2019, so while the news may have come as a surprise to many, Red Hat has also had that time to get feedback on CentOS Stream and see momentum that reinforced the role it believed CentOS Stream could fit in the RHEL ecosystem. I've seen Red Hat's VP of Linux Engineering explain the timing internally — once Red Hat took the decision to the CentOS Governing Board and the Board had voted, they all thought it was important and most transparent for the community leadership to communicate that decision as soon as possible. {{WNIQ}} '''Why has the End of Life [EOL] been shortened?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} Good question, I don't have an answer for it. I guess someone from Red Hat should give you that. I'm not happy about it to say the least. {{WNIQ}} '''Why has the EOL been shortened? Is this unusual?''' {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} First, it's important to understand that the dates that the CentOS project lists as EOL (End Of Life) dates are, and always have been, dependent on Red Hat. That is, we can say that CentOS Linux 7 will be EOL on a particular date, but if the dates around RHEL 7 shift, hypothetically speaking, then so will those around CentOS Linux 7. That's what happened with CentOS Linux 8. This decision was made by Red Hat and the CentOS Board. {{WNIQ}} '''What are some of the reasons people consider CentOS for their daily driver or for their servers?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} It used to be rock solid distribution, with almost everything that RHEL has, but without all the hassle or the costs of a RHEL license, and obviously without the main benefit of RHEL which is the support. CentOS 7 still fits that description. {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} Besides the obvious cost benefits of running CentOS Linux, many users find that the friction of running CentOS Linux is much lower than other options. There's no web form, registration, or subscription management. And while these frictions are things that the RHEL subscription team is actively working on, this remains part of our users' mindset. {{WNIQ}} '''How different are CentOS 7 and CentOS 8?''' {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} Upgrades between major release versions provide a chance to provide the latest versions of packages to our users. A major release will stay on these base package versions for the releases' lifecycle. The "rebasing" of packages allows us to incorporate all of the fixes and enhancements that have occurred between major releases and ensure we maintain the balance of upstream momentum, with the stability that backporting patches and fixes provides. {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} In some ways, very different, Modularity may be the biggest, many new versions of things (there was a 5 year gap between 7 and 8). But for the most part, usage is the same as it has been forever, like in things like repos [repositories], installing and removing packages, building packages, etc. :{{WNIQ}} '''Anyone who would be running CentOS 7 could upgrade to CentOS 8 without any breaking changes?''' :{{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} There are several attempts to do that, none successful as far as I know, I'm really hoping to be wrong. {{WNIQ}} '''Would it be feasible for the developers to fork CentOS 8 after EOL, to continue developing the OS?''' {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} We've actually covered this in the FAQ that we published on Tuesday. The short answer is yes, and we fully expect that to happen. Indeed, the Rocky Linux project has already indicated their intention to do just that. There's also ongoing discussion on the CentOS Project mailing lists of how this could be done within the community itself. {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} Very, to me the most difficult part of coming up with a new fork is the human factor. The technical side may have its complications (many to mention), but at the end of the day, they are solvable. :{{WNIQ}} '''The human factor?''' :{{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} People interaction, who does what, responsibilities, jealousy, etc. Dealing with people is a lot harder than dealing with computers. ::{{WNIQ}} '''Are there any discussions taking place in the community to fork CentOS?''' ::{{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} As far as I know, Rockylinux is the main one, it has gotten some traction, hopefully something good will come out of it. Then there is {{w|CloudLinux}}, which announced that during Q1 2021 they'd be releasing their rebuild for free. :::{{WNIQ}} '''Is CentOS Stream not as rock solid distribution as CentOS?''' :::{{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} No, and that's not a bad thing. just for different use. ::::{{WNIQ}} '''What are some of the use cases for which CentOS is ideal?''' ::::{{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} Personally, I use CentOS for everything, [CentOS] 7 for some servers, [CentOS] 8 for others, Stream for development and desktops. But that's just me, many people could use it in different ways. ::::{{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} CentOS Stream is ideal in many (even most) of the same situations that CentOS Linux is good for. ::::Look, with my Red Hat on, I want everyone to use RHEL, because it puts food on my table. But I am also passionate about the CentOS platform as a solution to everyday computing needs, from a desktop machine to your server farm. And Red Hat wants people to adopt CentOS Stream widely, so that it can actually realize its benefit to the RHEL development program. ::::To that end, we'll be trying to make CentOS Stream as widely useful as possible, and as stable as possible, so that people actually use it. Because if they don't use it, this was all for nothing. {{WNIQ}} '''Will Red Hat employees be barred from contributing to any community-driven development of forks of CentOS?''' {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} A large part of Red Hat's culture is ingrained in the idea of open source and community. Red Hat will never prevent its employees from pursuing upstream development and open source projects. I think section 6 [of Red Hat's Open source participation guidelines] "Contributing to upstream projects not maintained by Red Hat" applies here. {{WNIQ}} '''What are the implications of this move for the userbase?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} Where to start? There are too many cases in the userbase to mention, but taking some examples. If you have a fast deploying platform (like the [[Facebook]] example given in the press release), and you take advantage of the benefit of Stream even with the shortened EOL, this may not even affect you. But in my opinion, this is not the majority. Most users wanted CentOS for its premise of being bug-for-bug compatible with RHEL, and since that option doesn't exist anymore, until a suitable replacement appears, things are going to be complicated. I guess I could extend this by a lot, but that's the gist. Depending on your use case, you may be unaffected, or have a really complicated year ahead of you. I think very few people will be unaffected. :{{WNIQ}} '''"being bug-for-bug compatible with RHEL" -- Is it fair to call CentOS as RHEL, but without the support?''' :{{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} Fair, but not entirely accurate. RHEL customers have access to tools that may not be public, and therefore, not available for CentOS. I mean, there are other benefits of being a RHEL customer, aside from support. Not all the tools are code, there's access to different containers, knowledge base, etc. [[File:Arch Linux logo.svg|thumb|Arch Linux is a popular rolling-release GNU-based operating system with Linux as its kernel.]] :::{{WNIQ}} '''If I understand correctly, Stream is going to be a RHEL beta, and a rolling release, similar to {{w|Arch Linux|Arch [Linux]}} or {{w|OpenSuSE|[Open]SuSE}}'s {{w|Tumbleweed (operating system)|Tumbleweed}}. Right?''' :::{{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} Not exactly. Let's say it is a minor-release-rolling, that's how I'd describe it. It is not a continuous rolling like Arch. And with respect to beta, there's never code that is known to break, everything that lands in Stream is expected to be shipped as-is in the next RHEL minor release. That expectation may not always be met, but still. {{WNIQ}} '''Is the success of Stream somehow responsible for this move?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} In my opinion, no. The need for Stream to succeed maybe, but I just don't see Stream succeeding under the new conditions. :{{WNIQ}} '''Oh, why do you say so?''' :{{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} Because I've lost all my incentives to collaborate in Stream. The idea was that it would be a preview of what's to come, and that's great. But they just removed the end-result of Stream, which is the next minor release. Stream helps make a better product, but we don't have that product anymore (CentOS Linux), so. {{WNIQ}} '''Is the success of CentOS Stream somehow responsible for this? In the announcement, Wright said Stream was not the replacement for CentOS. What is the possible solution for those who relied on CentOS? ''' {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} CentOS Stream is not a drop-in replacement for all existing use cases. It requires sysadmins out there to evaluate the new information and adjust their workflows. We would do our user base a disservice to claim otherwise. For many use cases it can be used as a replacement. Indeed, for people who wanted the stability of the CentOS Linux base operating system, but were frustrated by the slowness of application updates, CentOS Stream will be a better replacement for CentOS Linux — now those updates will be available sooner, should users choose to update. We also want people to understand the difference, so they can see the additional options it brings to them. We want people to go into this decision with eyes open, and not expect it to be something that it's not. {{WNIQ}} '''What can be done for those users for whom CentOS Stream does not meet their requirements?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} Pay for RHEL, move to another distribution, or wait for someone to fill in the gap. If someone has another solution, I'm all ears. {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} We hope any users who are in that situation will tell us, so we can figure out how to fix that failing. One of the exciting things about the move to CentOS Stream is it's designed to be an actual contributor community, rather than the legacy CentOS Linux that is almost entirely a consumer community. CentOS Stream is more than just something you download and install. It's a process and a community — a venue for contributing changes, making suggestions, and reporting bugs. All of that feeds back into making CentOS Stream better, and, in turn, making RHEL better. That said, Red Hat is working on some "low- or no-cost programs" for users who cannot, for whatever reason, deploy CentOS Stream in their environment. This is discussed in the Red Hat announcement and we anticipate hearing more details around that in the coming weeks. {{WNIQ}} '''What are some of the best arguments in favour of, and against this move that you are aware of?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} I have nothing positive to say about the announcement, let's just leave it at that. [About against the move,] I can't put it into words you can publish. {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} While I empathize with users' response to the decision, I believe that shifting focus to CentOS Stream is the right solution for our community, in the longer term. CentOS Stream creates a place where the community can actually participate in the development of the OS on which they rely. They can now actually file bugs against it and have those considered by the engineering team. They can submit their own changes to the project and expect that they will actually be considered and accepted into the code. The arguments against it have been made eloquently elsewhere, and if I can summarize them, they would be timing (dropping the announcement right on the heels of the CentOS 6 Linux EOL) and timing (cutting the maintenance lifetime of CentOS Linux 8 from 10 years to 2). {{WNIQ}} '''How will this move affect the development of RHEL, and other GNU/Linux?''' {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} RHEL maintainers try to do as much work as possible "upstream first". This means starting in upstream open source projects like the kernel, then participating in Fedora, then bringing those changes in for RHEL. CentOS Stream gives RHEL maintainers a place to collaborate with the community in public on what's coming for the next minor release. {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} I don't think this will affect other distros in a negative way, quite the contrary. With respect to RHEL development, depends on how much people contribute to Stream. If people contribute to it, it will make RHEL a better product, because it will have a broader testing in the earlier stages. But that's just the benefit of stream. I mean, this was still true before the announcement. :{{WNIQ}} '''Hm, how can it benefit other distros? I mean, how does the development of any distribution benefit other distros?''' :{{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} For me, it is going to benefit other distros because many people, angry at this announcement, will move away from the RHEL ecosystem. And that could mean more resources, but it is all just guesses. {{WNIQ}} '''Will the maintainers appoint some new maintainers (not necessarily Red Hat employees) to see some development? Can the current maintainers continue to work on CentOS in their spare time?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} As far as I understand, no. CentOS is a {{w|trademark}} of Red Hat, so anything would have to be done on the outside. But I'm not a lawyer, and I think you should get a formal answer to that from someone who represents Red Hat. {{WNIQ}} '''What does the strong reaction from the CentOS community indicate?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} For me it indicates that Red Hat didn't expect this, or that they did expect it and were prepared to handle it. I don't like any of the options. {{WNIQ}} '''What is the reason for such a strong reaction from the CentOS community? Had Red Hat considered this while making this move? How are they planning to handle it?''' {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} Open source communities are often very passionate about their projects. The very nature of open source means that each person has equal ownership of the project. So the strong reaction here is understandable. A decision was made outside of their view, which they would not have made themselves. That makes people feel betrayed. We get that. And, yes, we discussed, in the leadup to this, how it would affect people, and that they would be angry. We tried to minimize that, but we understand community skepticism about that statement. It's a big change, being made quickly, and driven by business needs that the majority of our user community doesn't know or particularly care about. I've talked in other places about the stages of grief. The community has lost something, and they are grieving that. Part of that process is anger. This is neither unexpected nor strange in any way. We also understand that this explanation rings hollow to some, and sounds like, "We considered that and then decided to ignore it." That's not the case, but we understand why some people feel that it is. How are we planning to handle it? By ensuring that CentOS Stream lives up to our promises by doing rather than talking. I'm here, as the community manager, to help people find the solutions that they need, and to help them navigate this period of transition. {{WNIQ}} '''How many core developers are there, who are not working for Red Hat?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} The CentOS QA team which handles most of the day-to-day things, are about 20 people, most of which are not Red Hat employees, like myself. :{{WNIQ}} '''What lies ahead for you (and the non-Red Hat developers)?''' :{{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} I can't speak for the others aside from the general anger. I'm considering my options, don't want to hurry and say something that I'd have to retract. Right now, the working theory is that I'm going to help with CentOS 7, because it is still alive, and in fact, it will outlive CentOS 8. But I don't plan on reaching a conclusion this year. ::{{WNIQ}} '''Did the non-Red Hat developers collectively send a letter/email to Red Hat about this?''' ::{{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} Not that I know of. And not that it would change anything in my opinion, this was planned for a long time. The way I see it, Red Hat doesn't view the non-Red Hat employees as a part of CentOS, so we're just like anybody else. {{WNIQ}} '''How do you think Fedora now fits in the grand scheme of Red Hat development?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} Fedora is still the upstream for whatever comes to RHEL, and is where most of the big changes happen. So in my opinion, Red Hat needs a stable and vibrant Fedora. :{{WNIQ}} '''Isn't Stream achieving the same goal?''' :{{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} Different stages. Take 8 for example. 8-stream is the next minor version of 8. When RHEL takes a snapshot of Fedora in a few months, that will become 9 stream. And Fedora will continue moving. Part of the preparation for the snapshot is being done in fedora as ELN (Enterprise Linux Next). {{WNIQ}} '''Many users are calling it "The death of CentOS". Do you agree with that? Will the maintainers appoint some new maintainers (not necessarily Red Hat employees) to see some development? Can the current maintainers continue to work on CentOS in their spare time?''' {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} No, obviously I do not agree that this is the death of CentOS. As I said earlier, CentOS is a project with multiple outputs, and the remaining outputs are still important both to CentOS users and to Red Hat. The project continues, it just looks different now, with a different primary focus. That said, we totally understand community members who feel that we have killed the part of the project that they care about, and that, to them, this means the death of the project. That's not confusing or surprising at all. In the coming year, we hope to demonstrate that CentOS Stream is every bit as useful, to most of our users, as CentOS Linux was. And for the users for whom it is ''not'' as useful, we will strive to understand why, and whether we can address that gap. The very first sentence of my blog post on Tuesday was "The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream." Clearly that implies that I don't believe that this is the end of the line, or the death of the project. Our job going forward is to demonstrate the value of CentOS Stream, and build the contributor community around it. {{WNIQ}} '''How can an open source project ensure situations like these do not repeat?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} Wish I knew, maybe not letting for-profit companies dictate the future of non-profit organizations/distributions. Unfortunately, I don't think I'm equipped to solve that :( {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} All projects in the open source ecosystem are unique and face unique challenges. We would not presume to try to predict how to anticipate another project's issues. {{HYS}} == Sources == {{interview|media=email irc text}} *{{source |url = https://wiki.centos.org/About/Product |date = December 12, 2020 (date of access) |title = CentOS Product Specifications |pub = CentOS |author = }} *{{source |url = https://www.centos.org/about/governance/ |date = December 12, 2020 (date of access) |title = Governance |pub = CentOS |author = }} *{{source |url = https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux?source=bloglisting |date = December 8, 2020 |title = CentOS Stream: Building an innovative future for enterprise Linux |pub = Red Hat |author = Chris Wright }} *{{source |url = https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/ |date = December 8, 2020 |title = CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream |pub = CentOS |author = Rich Bowen }} *{{source |url = https://itsfoss.com/centos-stream-fiasco/ |date = December 9, 2020 |title = IBM's Red Hat Just Killed CentOS as we Know it: With CentOS Stream, Stability Goes out of the Door |pub = It's FOSS |author = Abhishek Prakash }} *{{source |url = https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/transforming-development-experience-within-centos |date = September 24, 2019 |title = Transforming the development experience within CentOS |pub = Red Hat |author = Chris Wright }} *{{source |url = https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/ibm-closes-landmark-acquisition-red-hat-34-billion-defines-open-hybrid-cloud-future |date = July 9, 2019 |title = IBM Closes Landmark Acquisition of Red Hat for $34 Billion; Defines Open, Hybrid Cloud Future |pub = Red Hat |author = }} *{{source |url = https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-and-centos-join-forces |date = January 8, 2014 |title = Red Hat and CentOS Join Forces |pub = Red Hat |author = }} *{{source |url = https://github.com/rocky-linux/rocky |date = December 12, 2020 |title = Rocky Linux |pub = GitHub |author = }} == External links == *{{source |url = https://www.redhat.com/en/resources/open-source-participation-guidelines-overview |date = December 12, 2020 (date of access) |title = Open source participation guidelines |pub = Red Hat |author = }} *{{source |url = https://centos.org/distro-faq/#q14-can-the-centos-community-continue-to-developrebuild-centos-linux |date = December 12, 2020 (date of access) |title = FAQ - CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream |pub = CentOS |author = }} *{{source |url = https://www.centos.org/about/governance/sigs/ |date = December 12, 2020 (date of access) |title = The CentOS SIGs |pub = CentOS |author = }} *{{source |url = https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/opens.html |date = December 12, 2020 (date of access) |title = The Four Opens |pub = OpenStack |author = }} *{{source |url = https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2020-December/thread.html |date = December 12, 2020 (date of access) |title = December 2020 Archives by thread |pub = CentOS |author = }} *{{source |url = https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux?source=bloglisting |date = December 12, 2020 (date of access) |title = Rocky Linux |pub = Rocky Linux |author = }} *{{source |url = https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/how-rhel-is-made/ |date = December 11, 2020 |title = How RHEL is Made |pub = CentOS |author = Brendan Conoboy }} *{{source |url = https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-centos-stream-updates?source=bloglisting |date = December 8, 2020 |title = FAQ: CentOS Stream Updates |pub = Red Hat |author = }} *{{source |url = https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/centos-stream-is-continuous-delivery/ |date = December 11, 2020 |title = CentOS Stream is Continuous Delivery |pub = CentOS |author = Stef Walter }} *{{source |url = https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/minutes-for-centos-board-of-directors-for-2020-11-11/ |date = December 11, 2020 |title = Minutes for CentOS Board of Directors for 2020-11-11 |pub = CentOS |author = Thomas Oulevey }} {{Publish}} {{Archive}} [[Category:Computing]] [[Category:FLOSS]] [[Category:IBM]] [[Category:Linux]] [[Category:Operating system]] [[Category:Science and technology]] [[Category:Software]] [[Category:Acagastya (Wikinewsie)]] [[Category:Red Hat]] [[zh:紅帽將重點從CentOS轉移到Stream 維基新聞專訪CentOS團隊]] mrqxo01j13365gvkese0nfa5eto1q92 4684506 4684500 2022-07-21T10:43:08Z SVTCobra 9158 local links wikitext text/x-wiki {{DISPLAYTITLE:Red Hat to move focus away from CentOS in favour of Stream; CentOS team discuss implications with <em>Wikinews</em>}}{{date|December 14, 2020}}[[File:Centos-logo-light.svg|thumb|Logo of CentOS.{{image|{{w|CentOS}}}}]] On Tuesday, [[US]]-based [[software]] company [[Red Hat]] announced their plans to shift their focus away from {{w|CentOS}} in favour of {{w|CentOS Stream}}. [[File:Chris Wright.jpg|left|thumb|Chris Wright is the CTO of Red Hat.{{image|Red Hat}}]] In the blog post {{w|Chris Wright (programmer)|Chris Wright}}, the Chief Technological Officer of Red Hat said Red Hat had informed the CentOS governing board that Red Hat was "shifting our investment fully from CentOS Linux to CentOS Stream". At least five of the nine CentOS Governing Board listed on the project are Red Hat employees.  Started in 2004, CentOS has been a free-of-cost [[FLOSS|free/libre open source software]] which provided {{w|binary-code compatibility}} with Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) — Red Hat's {{w|GNU General Public License|GNU General Public Licensed}} paid operating system. CentOS was absorbed into Red Hat in 2014, with Red Hat gaining the trademark rights of "CentOS". Red Hat also sponsors the {{w|Fedora (operating system)|Fedora}} operating system. Red Hat even gives the software engineering interns laptops with Fedora on it. Till now, software development took place on Fedora, which was later adopted in RHEL, which the Red Hat maintained and provided support for, for those customers who had RHEL subscription. CentOS would then follow RHEL to provide the same features free of cost, but without the support. Stream was announced in September 2019, just two months after Red Hat was acquired by [[IBM]]. CentOS Stream's development cycle had new features added to it before the features became a part of RHEL. Stream receives more frequent updates, however, it does not follow RHEL's release cycle. With CentOS Stream, developments from the community and the Red Hat emplyees would take place beforehand on both Fedora, and Stream as a {{w|rolling release}}, before those features are absorbed into RHEL. CentOS followed the release cycle of RHEL and therefore it was a stable distribution. Features available in CentOS were tried and tested by Fedora, and then RHEL maintainers. Stream, on the other hand, has features added to it before those features become a part of RHEL. That implies Stream would be ahead of RHEL's development, containing new features which are not yet tried and tested by RHEL developers, and not be binary code-compatible with RHEL. Writing "The future of CentOS Linux is CentOS Stream", Wright further wrote in the announcement, CentOS Stream "provides a platform for rapid innovation at the community level but with a stable enough base to understand production dynamics." Wright also said, "CentOS Stream isn't a replacement for CentOS Linux; rather, it's a natural, inevitable next step intended to fulfill the project's goal of furthering enterprise Linux innovation." Since the announcement was made, many people expressed their anger on {{w|Internet Relay Chat}} (IRC), [[Reddit]] and CentOS project's mailing list. CentOS 8's End of Life (EOL) has been moved up from May 2029 to December 31, 2021, while CentOS 7 is expected to receive maintenance updates through June 2024, outliving CentOS 8. [[File:Gregory Kurtzer.jpg|left|thumb|Kurtzer started the CentOS project.{{image|Gregory Kurtzer}}]] Gregory Kurtzer, who had started the CentOS project, announced a new operating system, Rocky Linux. Rocky Linux describes itself as "a community enterprise Operating System designed to be 100% bug-for-bug compatible with Enterprise Linux". The project said "Rocky Linux aims to function as a downstream build as CentOS had done previously, building releases after they have been added to the upstream vendor, not before." The project maintainers have not decided a date for when the operating system will be released. Kurtzer explained the reason to call the OS as Rocky Linux: "Thinking back to early CentOS days... My cofounder was Rocky McGaugh. He is no longer with us, so as a H/T [{{w|hat tip}}] to him, who never got to see the success that CentOS came to be, I introduce to you...Rocky Linux". [[File:RichBowen.jpg|left|thumb|Rich Bowen, who works for Red Hat, is the community manager of the CentOS project.{{image|Red Hat}}]] [[File:Pablo Greco.jpg|thumb|Pablo Greco is in the CentOS project's QA team.{{image|Pablo Greco}}]] ''Wikinews'' reached out to the members of the CentOS project, Pablo Greco and Rich Bowen, to discuss this move, its implications as well as the future of CentOS. Greco is a maintainer of {{w|armhf|armhfp}} (32-bit processors) and is a part of the CentOS' {{w|quality assurance}} team. Bowen — who unlike Greco, works for Red Hat — is the community manager of the CentOS project. {{clear}} {{update|Gregory Kurtzer discusses plans for Rocky Linux with Wikinews as Red Hat announces moving focus away from CentOS|December 18, 2020}} == Interview with the CentOS team == [[File:Raspberry-Pi-2-Bare-BR.jpg|thumb|Raspberry Pi 2 uses the 32-bit ARM processor.{{image|[[c:User:Evan-Amos|Evan-Amos]]}}]] {{WNI first question}} '''Can you tell me about your current role in the CentOS development, and how did you get involved with the project?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} I'm the armhfp maintainer, basically helping out fixing things that are not part of the Red Hat supported architectures. I do help out with other things like secondary {{w|Kernel (operating system)|kernels}}, and creating images for armhfp and {{w|AArch64|aarch64}}. I got involved not too long ago when a project that I was working on needed to use ARMv7 hardware, and although CentOS had a version, it wasn't complete. {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} I'm Rich Bowen and I'm the Community Manager for the CentOS project. That means that it's my job to help people get involved in the project, manage the social media and newsletters (the "voice" of the project), and generally work with the community. I've been at Red Hat for almost 8 years, and during that time have worked in this capacity with a couple of other projects, too. I've been dedicated to the CentOS Project for going on 3 years now. And I've been doing {{w|open source}} stuff for about 25 years now. I should also note that I'm not alone — either on this team, or in responding to these questions. I have a team of colleagues who help me out with CentOS through the Open Source Program Office (OSPO) at Red Hat, and across the many other departments that are part of the {{w|Fedora (operating system)|Fedora}}/{{w|Red Hat Enterprise Linux}} (RHEL)/{{w|CentOS}} projects at Red Hat. There's also a number of colleagues looking over my shoulder as I write this response, to ensure that I get the story straight. As a community manager, I'm not the technical expert on all the things, and so I need that support to get the details right in some of your questions. {{WNIQ}} '''What is the relationship between CentOS and RHEL?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} CentOS started as an external project, that was acquired by Red Hat 7 or 8 years ago. But I don't think that it counts as an answer. I think you'll get a better answer from people from Red Hat. {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} In many ways, it's the same as it's always been, but with a different end result and project structure. This is a community-focused open source project that delivers a strong Linux distribution foundation where non-operating-system focused ("layered") open source projects can develop, test, and innovate. For example, {{w|Ceph (software)|Ceph}} and {{w|Remote Data Objects|RDO}}. The main shift with this evolution of a focus on {{w|CentOS Stream}} is how it is developed in the open, in the community space, allowing contributors to get involved in the creation and shaping of the future. This also means RHEL users, customers, partners, independent hardware/software vendors, and anyone else can participate in the future of RHEL in true open source fashion. In the past, the relationship between Fedora, RHEL, and CentOS was effectively, "Fedora gets snapshot every so many years, then RHEL engineers develop RHEL behind closed doors until release day, then the RHEL source code is released, then CentOS would take the RHEL source and rebuild." While that is an oversimplification, it is essentially accurate. Now the new structure is, "Fedora gets snapshot every so often and becomes the basis for the next CentOS Stream release, then development happens in the open with community contribution involvement and influence, and then RHEL rebases frequently on CentOS Stream." This moment of integration is called "the development phase" in the RHEL engineering process. This is being misinterpreted as a "beta". Rather, this is an aspect of a distribution that is continuously delivered. This is not software that is untested and not considered ready for inclusion in RHEL. It is already planned for the next RHEL release, has passed QA [quality assurance] and {{w|Continuous integration|CI}} [Continuous Integration] checks, and is considered stable. In the past, this software went right into RHEL without external visibility. We don't schedule software for inclusion into RHEL unless it has been used/tested/integrated at other levels (such as Fedora), and is considered stable enough for inclusion. This same philosophy will still be at play with CentOS Stream. One thing I would like to highlight here is this is the first time in the history of RHEL that development happens in the open and allows for collaboration and contribution from the broader open source community. That is a large goal of CentOS Stream and we're making the move to focus on that entirely. [[File:Flock 2018 - RHEL, Fedora and CentOS - Solving The Penrose Triangle.webm|thumb|Flock 2018 — Solving the Penrose Triangle.{{image|Fedora Project}}]] For an example of where this evolution has been discussed in the past, this presentation from Fedora's Flock 2018 "The Penrose Triangle" shows how this problem has been discussed and worked through for a number of years now.  [[File:IBM logo.svg|thumb|[[IBM]] acquired Red Hat, CentOS's parent company, last year.{{image|Paul Rand}}]] {{WNIQ}} '''How has CentOS evolved after Red Hat acquired it? How has it evolved since IBM acquired Red Hat last year?''' {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} The biggest change when CentOS came to Red Hat was that individuals who were working on CentOS in their weekends and evenings now had the ability to devote more time to it. In addition, the project for the first time was able to put significant resources on helping make the platform useful for open source software development of other projects in Red Hat's ecosystem. This included the expansion of the SIG program [Special Interest Groups] to include layered projects like {{w|Gluster}}, and {{w|OpenStack}}. IBM is not involved in the CentOS community or Red Hat's work in it. An unfortunate misconception about this announcement has been conspiracy theories about IBM's involvement in this decision. Red Hat operates independently from IBM, and IBM had no influence or involvement in the decision. [[File:Fedora logo.svg|thumb|Logo of Fedora, which is also owned by Red Hat.{{image|[[c:User:Wondigoma|Wondigoma]]}}]] {{WNIQ}} '''What are the similarities between CentOS, Fedora and RHEL?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} I'm gonna explain in a really loose way, ok? Fedora is where everything starts, all the fast moving packages. Some maintained by Red Hat employees, some by contributors. Every few years, Red Hat gets sort of a snapshot of Fedora, and starts stabilizing and improving it, and that becomes RHEL. CentOS originally was a rebuild of that. About 1 year ago, Stream was introduced, as a way to make the work around RHEL more public, allowing the users to contribute. Making it sort of a continuous preview of what's to come for RHEL. That doesn't imply anything about it being of lower quality by definition, or some {{w|Perpetual beta|continuous beta}} like some people call it. Many of the packages that are built for stream, reach the next version of RHEL unmodified. So even if there is a higher level of testing in Stream, it is far from a traditional {{w|beta version|beta}}. {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} They are each Linux distribution projects, which work on a common code base at different points in its life. It's born in an {{w|Upstream (software development)|upstream}} open source project, and travels through each of the projects as it matures. From a community perspective, the projects are each run as open, collaborative communities, but with different audiences. By the time we get to RHEL, it's done inside Red Hat, but that team also operates with the principles of open source. The exciting thing about CentOS Stream is that it makes RHEL development more open, both in terms of decision making, and in who can participate. We're believers in the Four Opens, as the OpenStack community talks about them here — <nowiki>https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/opens.html</nowiki> Our roots are in open source, but that's not enough without the other three. {{WNIQ}} '''What are the similarities and differences between CentOS and CentOS Stream? Or do they just share the name and are completely different?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} For me, Stream is not CentOS, Stream is the next RHEL, the rest is just branding. {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} The name "CentOS" is frequently misused, and has been for a long time, so here are the basics: CentOS is the project. CentOS Linux is a rebuild of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL). CentOS Stream is an upstream distribution from RHEL, which reflects what the RHEL team intend to put into the next minor release of RHEL. The CentOS Project also contains other things, such as the SIGs (Special Interest Groups), the Promo/Events team, the CI/CD and build system (CBS) project, and so on. {{WNIQ}} '''Do you have any stats for the userbase of CentOS vs Stream?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} I don't, but Stream is rather new so I don't expect the number to be that big. I've been using Stream for most of my things ever since it came out, and I love the idea for it. The only problem is that Stream is being used as an excuse to kill CentOS, and that's the part I hate. {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} We don't. For reasons of privacy, we have never kept server logs around CentOS Linux, and other CentOS Project "downloads." And these files are served by a large {{w|Mirror site|mirror}} network distributed around the world, much of which we don't have any actual access to. I put the word downloads in quotes, because installing a Linux distribution isn't exactly just downloading something. It's composed of thousands of packages which are (can be) installed independently, and figuring out which of those packages are going to CentOS Stream machines, vs CentOS Linux machines (vs {{w|Oracle Linux}} machines, and so on) and which ones are being mirrored for further use by additional users behind a firewall, is a lot of guesswork. We have some general ideas, but have always been reluctant to try to put actual numbers on it, because of these reasons and others. Linux user surveys [...] perhaps have a better handle on this than we do, since we have simply never gathered these stats. {{WNIQ}} '''Could you briefly explain what Red Hat announced and what it means for the future of CentOS?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} They announced that the CentOS as we all know it, doesn't exist anymore, there's only Stream from now on. This applies to all releases starting with [CentOS] 8, [CentOS] 7 seems to be unaffected by this. In my view, CentOS is dead, there is no CentOS anymore, because as I said, I view Stream as a RHEL thing and not a CentOS thing. {{WNIQ}} '''Could you briefly explain Chris Wright's announcement, and what it means for the future of CentOS?''' {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} The future of CentOS is stronger than ever, as it is now literally in the critical path of RHEL development. The CentOS Project as a community continues, and in fact the community grows more facets as CentOS Stream provides more ways where the community can engage with Red Hat and each other. There will be some growing pains as users of CentOS Linux find out and help shape whether CentOS Stream meets their needs. Communities are built in overcoming challenges together, and there are many challenges ahead in making CentOS Stream right for members of the CentOS community. A major aspect of this is that in the past, CentOS Linux users could not shape the future of the distro within the project. From now on, not only developers but end users of all types will be able to shape the future of the distro. If CentOS Stream does not meet a user's need today, now they can advocate and contribute toward it meeting their needs as it evolves. {{WNIQ}} '''Did Red Hat speak with the CentOS core developer team about this plan?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} I don't have a contractual relation with Red Hat, just as many of the people that helped in the CentOS-QA team. I assume that those who are knew about this, but the rest of us didn't. But this is all my assumption, don't have any evidence one way or the other. {{WNIQ}} '''Did Red Hat speak with the CentOS core developer team about this plan? Were there any oppositions within Red Hat about this decision? Was it put to vote?''' {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} Red Hat discussed this with the CentOS Governing Board, which is responsible for the oversight of the CentOS Project. There was a lot of back-and-forth on that proposal. The CentOS Governing Board voted and reached consensus. Red Hat's engineering resource focus has never been decided by voting. Some of the core developers are on the Governing Board but not everyone in our community was involved in the decision. As I'll touch on later in this interview, that's one of the reasons that some of the community have taken this change so hard. Is every Red Hatter happy with the announcement? Of course not. A big part of Red Hat's culture is the ability to voice an opinion and ask hard questions. And Red Hatters have definitely expressed their thoughts about this. {{WNIQ}} '''Do you know why this sudden move from Red Hat?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} No idea, I can assume it was a business decision, but no information whatsoever. {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} CentOS Stream was introduced in September 2019, so while the news may have come as a surprise to many, Red Hat has also had that time to get feedback on CentOS Stream and see momentum that reinforced the role it believed CentOS Stream could fit in the RHEL ecosystem. I've seen Red Hat's VP of Linux Engineering explain the timing internally — once Red Hat took the decision to the CentOS Governing Board and the Board had voted, they all thought it was important and most transparent for the community leadership to communicate that decision as soon as possible. {{WNIQ}} '''Why has the End of Life [EOL] been shortened?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} Good question, I don't have an answer for it. I guess someone from Red Hat should give you that. I'm not happy about it to say the least. {{WNIQ}} '''Why has the EOL been shortened? Is this unusual?''' {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} First, it's important to understand that the dates that the CentOS project lists as EOL (End Of Life) dates are, and always have been, dependent on Red Hat. That is, we can say that CentOS Linux 7 will be EOL on a particular date, but if the dates around RHEL 7 shift, hypothetically speaking, then so will those around CentOS Linux 7. That's what happened with CentOS Linux 8. This decision was made by Red Hat and the CentOS Board. {{WNIQ}} '''What are some of the reasons people consider CentOS for their daily driver or for their servers?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} It used to be rock solid distribution, with almost everything that RHEL has, but without all the hassle or the costs of a RHEL license, and obviously without the main benefit of RHEL which is the support. CentOS 7 still fits that description. {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} Besides the obvious cost benefits of running CentOS Linux, many users find that the friction of running CentOS Linux is much lower than other options. There's no web form, registration, or subscription management. And while these frictions are things that the RHEL subscription team is actively working on, this remains part of our users' mindset. {{WNIQ}} '''How different are CentOS 7 and CentOS 8?''' {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} Upgrades between major release versions provide a chance to provide the latest versions of packages to our users. A major release will stay on these base package versions for the releases' lifecycle. The "rebasing" of packages allows us to incorporate all of the fixes and enhancements that have occurred between major releases and ensure we maintain the balance of upstream momentum, with the stability that backporting patches and fixes provides. {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} In some ways, very different, Modularity may be the biggest, many new versions of things (there was a 5 year gap between 7 and 8). But for the most part, usage is the same as it has been forever, like in things like repos [repositories], installing and removing packages, building packages, etc. :{{WNIQ}} '''Anyone who would be running CentOS 7 could upgrade to CentOS 8 without any breaking changes?''' :{{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} There are several attempts to do that, none successful as far as I know, I'm really hoping to be wrong. {{WNIQ}} '''Would it be feasible for the developers to fork CentOS 8 after EOL, to continue developing the OS?''' {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} We've actually covered this in the FAQ that we published on Tuesday. The short answer is yes, and we fully expect that to happen. Indeed, the Rocky Linux project has already indicated their intention to do just that. There's also ongoing discussion on the CentOS Project mailing lists of how this could be done within the community itself. {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} Very, to me the most difficult part of coming up with a new fork is the human factor. The technical side may have its complications (many to mention), but at the end of the day, they are solvable. :{{WNIQ}} '''The human factor?''' :{{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} People interaction, who does what, responsibilities, jealousy, etc. Dealing with people is a lot harder than dealing with computers. ::{{WNIQ}} '''Are there any discussions taking place in the community to fork CentOS?''' ::{{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} As far as I know, Rockylinux is the main one, it has gotten some traction, hopefully something good will come out of it. Then there is {{w|CloudLinux}}, which announced that during Q1 2021 they'd be releasing their rebuild for free. :::{{WNIQ}} '''Is CentOS Stream not as rock solid distribution as CentOS?''' :::{{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} No, and that's not a bad thing. just for different use. ::::{{WNIQ}} '''What are some of the use cases for which CentOS is ideal?''' ::::{{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} Personally, I use CentOS for everything, [CentOS] 7 for some servers, [CentOS] 8 for others, Stream for development and desktops. But that's just me, many people could use it in different ways. ::::{{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} CentOS Stream is ideal in many (even most) of the same situations that CentOS Linux is good for. ::::Look, with my Red Hat on, I want everyone to use RHEL, because it puts food on my table. But I am also passionate about the CentOS platform as a solution to everyday computing needs, from a desktop machine to your server farm. And Red Hat wants people to adopt CentOS Stream widely, so that it can actually realize its benefit to the RHEL development program. ::::To that end, we'll be trying to make CentOS Stream as widely useful as possible, and as stable as possible, so that people actually use it. Because if they don't use it, this was all for nothing. {{WNIQ}} '''Will Red Hat employees be barred from contributing to any community-driven development of forks of CentOS?''' {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} A large part of Red Hat's culture is ingrained in the idea of open source and community. Red Hat will never prevent its employees from pursuing upstream development and open source projects. I think section 6 [of Red Hat's Open source participation guidelines] "Contributing to upstream projects not maintained by Red Hat" applies here. {{WNIQ}} '''What are the implications of this move for the userbase?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} Where to start? There are too many cases in the userbase to mention, but taking some examples. If you have a fast deploying platform (like the [[Facebook]] example given in the press release), and you take advantage of the benefit of Stream even with the shortened EOL, this may not even affect you. But in my opinion, this is not the majority. Most users wanted CentOS for its premise of being bug-for-bug compatible with RHEL, and since that option doesn't exist anymore, until a suitable replacement appears, things are going to be complicated. I guess I could extend this by a lot, but that's the gist. Depending on your use case, you may be unaffected, or have a really complicated year ahead of you. I think very few people will be unaffected. :{{WNIQ}} '''"being bug-for-bug compatible with RHEL" -- Is it fair to call CentOS as RHEL, but without the support?''' :{{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} Fair, but not entirely accurate. RHEL customers have access to tools that may not be public, and therefore, not available for CentOS. I mean, there are other benefits of being a RHEL customer, aside from support. Not all the tools are code, there's access to different containers, knowledge base, etc. [[File:Arch Linux logo.svg|thumb|Arch Linux is a popular rolling-release GNU-based operating system with Linux as its kernel.]] :::{{WNIQ}} '''If I understand correctly, Stream is going to be a RHEL beta, and a rolling release, similar to {{w|Arch Linux|Arch [Linux]}} or {{w|OpenSuSE|[Open]SuSE}}'s {{w|Tumbleweed (operating system)|Tumbleweed}}. Right?''' :::{{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} Not exactly. Let's say it is a minor-release-rolling, that's how I'd describe it. It is not a continuous rolling like Arch. And with respect to beta, there's never code that is known to break, everything that lands in Stream is expected to be shipped as-is in the next RHEL minor release. That expectation may not always be met, but still. {{WNIQ}} '''Is the success of Stream somehow responsible for this move?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} In my opinion, no. The need for Stream to succeed maybe, but I just don't see Stream succeeding under the new conditions. :{{WNIQ}} '''Oh, why do you say so?''' :{{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} Because I've lost all my incentives to collaborate in Stream. The idea was that it would be a preview of what's to come, and that's great. But they just removed the end-result of Stream, which is the next minor release. Stream helps make a better product, but we don't have that product anymore (CentOS Linux), so. {{WNIQ}} '''Is the success of CentOS Stream somehow responsible for this? In the announcement, Wright said Stream was not the replacement for CentOS. What is the possible solution for those who relied on CentOS? ''' {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} CentOS Stream is not a drop-in replacement for all existing use cases. It requires sysadmins out there to evaluate the new information and adjust their workflows. We would do our user base a disservice to claim otherwise. For many use cases it can be used as a replacement. Indeed, for people who wanted the stability of the CentOS Linux base operating system, but were frustrated by the slowness of application updates, CentOS Stream will be a better replacement for CentOS Linux — now those updates will be available sooner, should users choose to update. We also want people to understand the difference, so they can see the additional options it brings to them. We want people to go into this decision with eyes open, and not expect it to be something that it's not. {{WNIQ}} '''What can be done for those users for whom CentOS Stream does not meet their requirements?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} Pay for RHEL, move to another distribution, or wait for someone to fill in the gap. If someone has another solution, I'm all ears. {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} We hope any users who are in that situation will tell us, so we can figure out how to fix that failing. One of the exciting things about the move to CentOS Stream is it's designed to be an actual contributor community, rather than the legacy CentOS Linux that is almost entirely a consumer community. CentOS Stream is more than just something you download and install. It's a process and a community — a venue for contributing changes, making suggestions, and reporting bugs. All of that feeds back into making CentOS Stream better, and, in turn, making RHEL better. That said, Red Hat is working on some "low- or no-cost programs" for users who cannot, for whatever reason, deploy CentOS Stream in their environment. This is discussed in the Red Hat announcement and we anticipate hearing more details around that in the coming weeks. {{WNIQ}} '''What are some of the best arguments in favour of, and against this move that you are aware of?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} I have nothing positive to say about the announcement, let's just leave it at that. [About against the move,] I can't put it into words you can publish. {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} While I empathize with users' response to the decision, I believe that shifting focus to CentOS Stream is the right solution for our community, in the longer term. CentOS Stream creates a place where the community can actually participate in the development of the OS on which they rely. They can now actually file bugs against it and have those considered by the engineering team. They can submit their own changes to the project and expect that they will actually be considered and accepted into the code. The arguments against it have been made eloquently elsewhere, and if I can summarize them, they would be timing (dropping the announcement right on the heels of the CentOS 6 Linux EOL) and timing (cutting the maintenance lifetime of CentOS Linux 8 from 10 years to 2). {{WNIQ}} '''How will this move affect the development of RHEL, and other GNU/Linux?''' {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} RHEL maintainers try to do as much work as possible "upstream first". This means starting in upstream open source projects like the kernel, then participating in Fedora, then bringing those changes in for RHEL. CentOS Stream gives RHEL maintainers a place to collaborate with the community in public on what's coming for the next minor release. {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} I don't think this will affect other distros in a negative way, quite the contrary. With respect to RHEL development, depends on how much people contribute to Stream. If people contribute to it, it will make RHEL a better product, because it will have a broader testing in the earlier stages. But that's just the benefit of stream. I mean, this was still true before the announcement. :{{WNIQ}} '''Hm, how can it benefit other distros? I mean, how does the development of any distribution benefit other distros?''' :{{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} For me, it is going to benefit other distros because many people, angry at this announcement, will move away from the RHEL ecosystem. And that could mean more resources, but it is all just guesses. {{WNIQ}} '''Will the maintainers appoint some new maintainers (not necessarily Red Hat employees) to see some development? Can the current maintainers continue to work on CentOS in their spare time?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} As far as I understand, no. CentOS is a {{w|trademark}} of Red Hat, so anything would have to be done on the outside. But I'm not a lawyer, and I think you should get a formal answer to that from someone who represents Red Hat. {{WNIQ}} '''What does the strong reaction from the CentOS community indicate?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} For me it indicates that Red Hat didn't expect this, or that they did expect it and were prepared to handle it. I don't like any of the options. {{WNIQ}} '''What is the reason for such a strong reaction from the CentOS community? Had Red Hat considered this while making this move? How are they planning to handle it?''' {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} Open source communities are often very passionate about their projects. The very nature of open source means that each person has equal ownership of the project. So the strong reaction here is understandable. A decision was made outside of their view, which they would not have made themselves. That makes people feel betrayed. We get that. And, yes, we discussed, in the leadup to this, how it would affect people, and that they would be angry. We tried to minimize that, but we understand community skepticism about that statement. It's a big change, being made quickly, and driven by business needs that the majority of our user community doesn't know or particularly care about. I've talked in other places about the stages of grief. The community has lost something, and they are grieving that. Part of that process is anger. This is neither unexpected nor strange in any way. We also understand that this explanation rings hollow to some, and sounds like, "We considered that and then decided to ignore it." That's not the case, but we understand why some people feel that it is. How are we planning to handle it? By ensuring that CentOS Stream lives up to our promises by doing rather than talking. I'm here, as the community manager, to help people find the solutions that they need, and to help them navigate this period of transition. {{WNIQ}} '''How many core developers are there, who are not working for Red Hat?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} The CentOS QA team which handles most of the day-to-day things, are about 20 people, most of which are not Red Hat employees, like myself. :{{WNIQ}} '''What lies ahead for you (and the non-Red Hat developers)?''' :{{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} I can't speak for the others aside from the general anger. I'm considering my options, don't want to hurry and say something that I'd have to retract. Right now, the working theory is that I'm going to help with CentOS 7, because it is still alive, and in fact, it will outlive CentOS 8. But I don't plan on reaching a conclusion this year. ::{{WNIQ}} '''Did the non-Red Hat developers collectively send a letter/email to Red Hat about this?''' ::{{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} Not that I know of. And not that it would change anything in my opinion, this was planned for a long time. The way I see it, Red Hat doesn't view the non-Red Hat employees as a part of CentOS, so we're just like anybody else. {{WNIQ}} '''How do you think Fedora now fits in the grand scheme of Red Hat development?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} Fedora is still the upstream for whatever comes to RHEL, and is where most of the big changes happen. So in my opinion, Red Hat needs a stable and vibrant Fedora. :{{WNIQ}} '''Isn't Stream achieving the same goal?''' :{{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} Different stages. Take 8 for example. 8-stream is the next minor version of 8. When RHEL takes a snapshot of Fedora in a few months, that will become 9 stream. And Fedora will continue moving. Part of the preparation for the snapshot is being done in fedora as ELN (Enterprise Linux Next). {{WNIQ}} '''Many users are calling it "The death of CentOS". Do you agree with that? Will the maintainers appoint some new maintainers (not necessarily Red Hat employees) to see some development? Can the current maintainers continue to work on CentOS in their spare time?''' {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} No, obviously I do not agree that this is the death of CentOS. As I said earlier, CentOS is a project with multiple outputs, and the remaining outputs are still important both to CentOS users and to Red Hat. The project continues, it just looks different now, with a different primary focus. That said, we totally understand community members who feel that we have killed the part of the project that they care about, and that, to them, this means the death of the project. That's not confusing or surprising at all. In the coming year, we hope to demonstrate that CentOS Stream is every bit as useful, to most of our users, as CentOS Linux was. And for the users for whom it is ''not'' as useful, we will strive to understand why, and whether we can address that gap. The very first sentence of my blog post on Tuesday was "The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream." Clearly that implies that I don't believe that this is the end of the line, or the death of the project. Our job going forward is to demonstrate the value of CentOS Stream, and build the contributor community around it. {{WNIQ}} '''How can an open source project ensure situations like these do not repeat?''' {{WNIR|Pablo Greco}} Wish I knew, maybe not letting for-profit companies dictate the future of non-profit organizations/distributions. Unfortunately, I don't think I'm equipped to solve that :( {{WNIR|Rich Bowen}} All projects in the open source ecosystem are unique and face unique challenges. We would not presume to try to predict how to anticipate another project's issues. {{HYS}} == Sources == {{interview|media=email irc text}} *{{source |url = https://wiki.centos.org/About/Product |date = December 12, 2020 (date of access) |title = CentOS Product Specifications |pub = CentOS |author = }} *{{source |url = https://www.centos.org/about/governance/ |date = December 12, 2020 (date of access) |title = Governance |pub = CentOS |author = }} *{{source |url = https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux?source=bloglisting |date = December 8, 2020 |title = CentOS Stream: Building an innovative future for enterprise Linux |pub = Red Hat |author = Chris Wright }} *{{source |url = https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/ |date = December 8, 2020 |title = CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream |pub = CentOS |author = Rich Bowen }} *{{source |url = https://itsfoss.com/centos-stream-fiasco/ |date = December 9, 2020 |title = IBM's Red Hat Just Killed CentOS as we Know it: With CentOS Stream, Stability Goes out of the Door |pub = It's FOSS |author = Abhishek Prakash }} *{{source |url = https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/transforming-development-experience-within-centos |date = September 24, 2019 |title = Transforming the development experience within CentOS |pub = Red Hat |author = Chris Wright }} *{{source |url = https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/ibm-closes-landmark-acquisition-red-hat-34-billion-defines-open-hybrid-cloud-future |date = July 9, 2019 |title = IBM Closes Landmark Acquisition of Red Hat for $34 Billion; Defines Open, Hybrid Cloud Future |pub = Red Hat |author = }} *{{source |url = https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-and-centos-join-forces |date = January 8, 2014 |title = Red Hat and CentOS Join Forces |pub = Red Hat |author = }} *{{source |url = https://github.com/rocky-linux/rocky |date = December 12, 2020 |title = Rocky Linux |pub = GitHub |author = }} == External links == *{{source |url = https://www.redhat.com/en/resources/open-source-participation-guidelines-overview |date = December 12, 2020 (date of access) |title = Open source participation guidelines |pub = Red Hat |author = }} *{{source |url = https://centos.org/distro-faq/#q14-can-the-centos-community-continue-to-developrebuild-centos-linux |date = December 12, 2020 (date of access) |title = FAQ - CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream |pub = CentOS |author = }} *{{source |url = https://www.centos.org/about/governance/sigs/ |date = December 12, 2020 (date of access) |title = The CentOS SIGs |pub = CentOS |author = }} *{{source |url = https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/opens.html |date = December 12, 2020 (date of access) |title = The Four Opens |pub = OpenStack |author = }} *{{source |url = https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2020-December/thread.html |date = December 12, 2020 (date of access) |title = December 2020 Archives by thread |pub = CentOS |author = }} *{{source |url = https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux?source=bloglisting |date = December 12, 2020 (date of access) |title = Rocky Linux |pub = Rocky Linux |author = }} *{{source |url = https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/how-rhel-is-made/ |date = December 11, 2020 |title = How RHEL is Made |pub = CentOS |author = Brendan Conoboy }} *{{source |url = https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-centos-stream-updates?source=bloglisting |date = December 8, 2020 |title = FAQ: CentOS Stream Updates |pub = Red Hat |author = }} *{{source |url = https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/centos-stream-is-continuous-delivery/ |date = December 11, 2020 |title = CentOS Stream is Continuous Delivery |pub = CentOS |author = Stef Walter }} *{{source |url = https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/minutes-for-centos-board-of-directors-for-2020-11-11/ |date = December 11, 2020 |title = Minutes for CentOS Board of Directors for 2020-11-11 |pub = CentOS |author = Thomas Oulevey }} {{Publish}} {{Archive}} [[Category:Computing]] [[Category:FLOSS]] [[Category:IBM]] [[Category:Linux]] [[Category:Operating system]] [[Category:Science and technology]] [[Category:Software]] [[Category:Acagastya (Wikinewsie)]] [[Category:Red Hat]] [[zh:紅帽將重點從CentOS轉移到Stream 維基新聞專訪CentOS團隊]] 3gd2yzv1ortg2ujrlseo7xj433wornq Gregory Kurtzer discusses plans for Rocky Linux with Wikinews as Red Hat announces moving focus away from CentOS 0 2911293 4684501 4602939 2022-07-21T10:38:00Z SVTCobra 9158 added [[Category:Red Hat]] using [[Help:Gadget-HotCat|HotCat]] wikitext text/x-wiki {{DISPLAYTITLE:Gregory Kurtzer discusses plans for Rocky Linux with <em>Wikinews</em> as Red Hat announces moving focus away from CentOS}} {{date|December 18, 2020}} [[File:Gregory Kurtzer.jpg|thumb|Gregory Kurtzer announced Rocky Linux to take the place of CentOS.{{image|Gregory Kurtzer}}]] Last week, on December 8, [[US]]-based software company {{w|Red Hat}} announced plans to shift their focus away from {{w|CentOS}} in favour of {{w|CentOS stream}}. Started in 2004, CentOS has been a free-of-cost [[FLOSS|free/libre open source software]] which provided {{w|binary-code compatibility}} with {{w|Red Hat Enterprise Linux}} (RHEL) — Red Hat's {{w|GNU General Public Licensed}} paid {{w|operating system}}. Gregory Kurtzer told ''Wikinews'' he started CAOS Linux around the time when Red Hat announced {{w|End of Life}} for their {{w|Red Hat Linux}} in favour of subscription-based Red Hat Enterprise Linux. CAOS was succeeded by CentOS when Rocky McGaugh, a developer of CAOS rebuilt the source code of RHEL to provide a monetarily free alternative. CentOS was absorbed into Red Hat in 2014, with Red Hat gaining the trademark rights of "CentOS". Red Hat also sponsors the development of the {{w|Fedora operating system|Fedora}} operating system. Until now, software development took place on Fedora, which was later adopted in RHEL, which the Red Hat maintained and provided support for, for those customers who had RHEL subscription. CentOS would then follow RHEL's release cycle to provide the same features free of cost, but without the support. Stream was announced in September 2019, just two months after Red Hat was acquired by [[IBM]]. CentOS Stream's development cycle had new features added to it before the features became a part of RHEL. Stream receives more frequent updates, however, it does not follow RHEL's release cycle. With CentOS Stream, developments from the community and the Red Hat employees would take place beforehand on both Fedora, and Stream as a {{w|rolling release}}, before those features are absorbed into RHEL. CentOS followed the release cycle of RHEL and therefore it was a stable distribution. Features available in CentOS were tried and tested by Fedora, and then RHEL maintainers. Red Hat's Chief Technical Officer Chris Wright wrote in the announcement "CentOS Stream isn't a replacement for CentOS Linux; rather, it's a natural, inevitable next step intended to fulfill the project's goal of furthering enterprise Linux innovation." Since the announcement was made, many people expressed their anger on {{w|Internet Relay Chat}} (IRC), [[Reddit]] and CentOS project's mailing list. CentOS 8's End of Life (EOL) has been moved up from May 2029 to December 31, 2021, while CentOS 7 is expected to receive maintenance updates through June 2024, outliving CentOS 8. [[File:Rocky Linux wordmark.svg|thumb|Logo of Rocky Linux{{image|Josh Urbain and Hayden Young}}]] Soon after Red Hat's announcement, Kurtzer announced his intentions to develop {{w|Rocky Linux}}, to fill the role CentOS had been playing for so long. Kurtzer said Rocky Linux was named after Rocky McGaugh. "Thinking back to early CentOS days... My cofounder was Rocky McGaugh. He is no longer with us, so as a H/T [{{w|hat tip}}] to him, who never got to see the success that CentOS came to be, I introduce to you...Rocky Linux", Kurtzer wrote. ''Wikinews'' discussed with Kurtzer the beginning of CentOS, and future of Rocky Linux. While no formal date of release has been announced for Rocky Linux, Kurtzer said they are planning to release the CentOS replacement before the end of life of CentOS 8. Kurtzer also said Rocky Linux will run on both x86-64 and ARM-based processors, and CentOS users would be able to convert their OS to Rocky Linux just by running a single command. Saying Rocky Linux is for the community, Kurtzer said he "take[s] the responsibility of ensuring that all decisions are in favor of the community and the project and free from corporate control" including his own company. Talking about the attention from the userbase Rocky Linux has received, Kurtzer said, "I have never seen an open community come together this fast and be this passionate about working together towards a common goal." == Interview with Gregory Kurtzer == [[File:Centos-logo-light.svg|thumb|Logo of CentOS.{{image|{{w|CentOS}}}}]] {{WNI first question}} '''Why was CentOS originally created? What were the reasons why it was then absorbed by Red Hat?''' {{WNIR|Gregory Kurtzer}} CentOS was originally created because Red Hat decided to EOL (End of Life) {{w|Red Hat Linux}} (RHL) shortly after releasing RHL 8. Overnight, RHL ceased to exist and Red Hat instead released Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) which was a commercial only product. This means that the majority of RHL users were left without a "free" solution or upgrade path. At the time a Linux distribution that I founded called CAOS Linux was just beginning to get underway, and we too were relying on RHL as a bootstrap build environment. One of our developers, Rocky McGaugh, quickly rebuilt the sources in RHEL to give us a stable foundation. That was the beginning of CentOS which was released as an open source project. After CentOS became widely known, CentOS was separated from Caos Linux Foundation and another person took the lead. Later, the project underwent some drama — lost developers, contributors, and a lot of support, to the point where only a couple of developers were running everything and Red Hat hired most of them. I had no visibility of the acquisition of CentOS. [[File:IBM logo.svg|thumb|[[IBM]] acquired Red Hat, CentOS's parent company, last year.{{image|Paul Rand}}]] {{WNIQ}} '''How has CentOS evolved since it became a part of Red Hat?''' {{WNIR|Gregory Kurtzer}} Red Hat has invested a good deal of resources into the CentOS project itself and the community has benefited from additional developers, closer ties to Red Hat's internal development team and infrastructure (including Fedora), marketing, branding, conference presence, etc. Red Hat has always been a tremendous supporter of Linux and open source, but that doesn't make Red Hat/[[IBM]] a good home for CentOS. {{WNIQ}} '''How will this move by Red Hat, to move focus towards Stream, affect those who relied on CentOS?''' {{WNIR|Gregory Kurtzer}} The focus towards Stream, while not exactly meeting the needs of enterprise use cases, wasn't the biggest problem, it was the unexpected change in the CentOS End Of Life (EOL) which moved from 2029 to 2021. But either one, much less both together, demonstrates that the Community Enterprise Operating System is not technically "community" or "enterprise". We have heard from many people now that this move has undermined not only trust in CentOS, but also other open source distributions of Linux which are commercially controlled. Who is to stop them from doing something very similar? {{WNIQ}} '''Tell us about Rocky Linux.''' {{WNIR|Gregory Kurtzer}} Rocky Linux is a Community Enterprise Linux distribution by the community and for the community. Our goal is to be {{w|bug-for-bug compatible}} with RHEL and provide a long life for enterprise needs. {{WNIQ}} '''How will Rocky Linux aim to fill the void that CentOS will leave?''' {{WNIR|Gregory Kurtzer}} The last time I checked, CentOS was the most utilized Linux server operating system on the Internet. All of these users, including development teams, need stability. Linux is free. Myself, among many thousands of developers and companies around the world, have contributed to what makes up a Linux distribution. While nobody has a problem with companies offering value by building a usable, supportable platform out of open source software, there needs to be a freely available version out of respect to all of the people who have made the distribution possible as well as the organizations that have contributed time and resources into Linux. It is not owned by the Linux distribution vendor, it is packaged by them. Rocky [Linux] will provide a freely available, stable, enterprise-grade operating system that can be used everywhere by anyone. {{WNIQ}} '''Will Rocky Linux provide a way to migrate CentOS 7 and 8 to Rocky Linux? How will you ensure it is a smooth transition?''' {{WNIR|Gregory Kurtzer}} We are not currently forking CentOS 7 because that has not changed its EOL. If that changes, we will rebuild that as well. To convert a CentOS 8 system to Rocky Linux 8, you only need to run a single command: <span style="font-family: monospace">dnf install <nowiki>http://your.favorite.rocky.mirror/path/to/rocky-release*.rpm</nowiki></span> Because Rocky is completely compatible with both CentOS and RHEL, this single command is all you will have to do to keep your system running, patched, and supported. [[File:Raspberry-Pi-2-Bare-BR.jpg|thumb|Raspberry Pi 2 uses the 32-bit ARM processor.{{image|[[c:User:Evan-Amos|Evan-Amos]]}}]] {{WNIQ}} '''Which hardwares will Rocky Linux run on? Is the aim to provide support for all hardwares CentOS supported, or just those which Red Hat supported?''' {{WNIR|Gregory Kurtzer}} So far we have very active support and interest in {{w|x86-64}} as well as {{w|ARM architecture|ARM}}. Nobody from {{w|IBM POWER instruction set architecture|IBM Power}} has reached out to us (yet). :{{WNIQ}} '''Will Rocky Linux be supported for both 32-bit and 64-bit ARM processors?''' :{{WNIR|Gregory Kurtzer}} That isn't known yet, it depends on what ARM and contributors commit too, which will surely be driven by community necessity and requests. {{WNIQ}} '''Will Rocky Linux be the same as CentOS in functionality, or will it do some things differently?''' {{WNIR|Gregory Kurtzer}} Bug-for-bug compatibility. We've already been approached by multiple people asking about {{w|Special Interest Group|Special Interest Groups}} (SIGs) for value adds over and above the base enterprise platform. One of my interests, for example, can be supported here with an HPC ({{w|High Performance Computing}}) SIG. {{w|Big Data}}, {{w|Kubernetes}}/{{w|OS-level virtualization|Containers}}, and enhanced security have been among the other SIG proposals we've received. {{WNIQ}} '''What are some of the challenges that Rocky Linux currently faces? How do you plan to tackle those?''' {{WNIR|Gregory Kurtzer}} Velocity of growth is the biggest challenge so far. We are six days old and we keep hitting the invite link limits for our {{w|Slack}}, which now has thousands of people in it. I've requested a sponsorship from Slack, but so far, we haven't had a very positive outcome. We're looking into alternatives to Slack for real-time communications as well. For durable discussion, we've had more than 100,000 views of our forums in three days, and already we're hitting limits with our hosting there, so that needs to be scaled soon as well. Also, we are working on {{w|Federal Information Processing Standards|FIPS}} certifications and {{w|Security Technical Implementation Guide|STIG}} standards which have been a consistent request. That means that the security and compliance team is guiding how every aspect of the infrastructure is set up to guarantee security, compliance, and trust. {{WNIQ}} '''How many developers are working on Rocky Linux? What are the important things that require significant developer time and attention?''' {{WNIR|Gregory Kurtzer}} We are about 65 contributors actively driving Rocky right now, all in small task groups to do specific things. We also have about another 250 who have volunteered and are awaiting roles, and even more asking to help drive and build the community. We also have small to massive corporations stepping up to support us in the form of sponsorships, donations, mirrors, hardware, cloud resources, etc. Very careful attention will be paid to the security, trust, and compliance of what we are creating. I have never seen an open community come together this fast and be this passionate about working together towards a common goal. {{WNIQ}} '''Can we expect Rocky Linux to be released before CentOS 8 reaches end of life?''' {{WNIR|Gregory Kurtzer}} Yes. While we haven't given any ETA on release, we already have a large percentage of the work underway and if I were to make a SWAG [{{w|Scientific wild-ass guess}}], it will be near the end of Q1 or beginning of Q2 2021. {{WNIQ}} '''How will the governing body of Rocky Linux function? How can Rocky Linux ensure similar situation like this does not repeat?''' {{WNIR|Gregory Kurtzer}} At the moment, we have a structure similar to most organizations. People have been empowered to make decisions and report upwards. This may change in the future, but right now, we need leadership and I take the responsibility of ensuring that all decisions are in favor of the community and the project and free from corporate control (even from my own company). My commitment to the project is that Rocky will always remain in the best interest of the community and everyone who wishes to be part of the organization, with good intentions, will be welcomed. Since day one, Rocky's coordination efforts have been completely transparent. I invite anyone reading this to join the #rocky-coordination channel on our Slack instance. There you'll find many high-level discussions taking place with direct community involvement. {{WNIQ}} '''What are the short-term and long-term goals of Rocky Linux and how will the project ensure it stays on its path?''' {{WNIR|Gregory Kurtzer}} Short term: organization of technology and people. Mid term: general availability of Rocky Linux. Long term: growing the community like sponsoring SIGs. {{HYS}} == Related news == *{{wikinews|Red Hat to move focus away from CentOS in favour of Stream; CentOS team discuss implications with Wikinews|December 14, 2020}} == Sources == {{Interview|media=email text}} {{clear}} == External links == *{{source |url = https://www.centos.org/about/governance/sigs/ |date = December 12, 2020 (date of access) |title = The CentOS SIGs |pub = CentOS |author = }} *{{source |url = https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2020-December/thread.html |date = December 12, 2020 (date of access) |title = December 2020 Archives by thread |pub = CentOS |author = }} *{{source |url = https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux?source=bloglisting |date = December 12, 2020 (date of access) |title = Rocky Linux |pub = Rocky Linux |author = }} *{{source |url = https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/how-rhel-is-made/ |date = December 11, 2020 |title = How RHEL is Made |pub = CentOS |author = Brendan Conoboy }} *{{source |url = https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-centos-stream-updates?source=bloglisting |date = December 8, 2020 |title = FAQ: CentOS Stream Updates |pub = Red Hat |author = }} *{{source |url = https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/centos-stream-is-continuous-delivery/ |date = December 11, 2020 |title = CentOS Stream is Continuous Delivery |pub = CentOS |author = Stef Walter }} *{{source |url = https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/minutes-for-centos-board-of-directors-for-2020-11-11/ |date = December 11, 2020 |title = Minutes for CentOS Board of Directors for 2020-11-11 |pub = CentOS |author = Thomas Oulevey }} {{Publish}} {{Archive}} [[Category:Computing]] [[Category:FLOSS]] [[Category:IBM]] [[Category:Linux]] [[Category:Operating system]] [[Category:Science and technology]] [[Category:Software]] [[Category:Acagastya (Wikinewsie)]] [[Category:Red Hat]] [[zh:維基新聞就Rocky Linux的新計劃專訪CentOS項目的Gregory Kurtzer]] __NOTOC__ 9h10ddttsev11eq1rvy343w2fiet75u 4684507 4684501 2022-07-21T10:43:55Z SVTCobra 9158 local links wikitext text/x-wiki {{DISPLAYTITLE:Gregory Kurtzer discusses plans for Rocky Linux with <em>Wikinews</em> as Red Hat announces moving focus away from CentOS}} {{date|December 18, 2020}} [[File:Gregory Kurtzer.jpg|thumb|Gregory Kurtzer announced Rocky Linux to take the place of CentOS.{{image|Gregory Kurtzer}}]] Last week, on December 8, [[US]]-based software company [[Red Hat]] announced plans to shift their focus away from {{w|CentOS}} in favour of {{w|CentOS stream}}. Started in 2004, CentOS has been a free-of-cost [[FLOSS|free/libre open source software]] which provided {{w|binary-code compatibility}} with {{w|Red Hat Enterprise Linux}} (RHEL) — Red Hat's {{w|GNU General Public Licensed}} paid {{w|operating system}}. Gregory Kurtzer told ''Wikinews'' he started CAOS Linux around the time when Red Hat announced {{w|End of Life}} for their {{w|Red Hat Linux}} in favour of subscription-based Red Hat Enterprise Linux. CAOS was succeeded by CentOS when Rocky McGaugh, a developer of CAOS rebuilt the source code of RHEL to provide a monetarily free alternative. CentOS was absorbed into Red Hat in 2014, with Red Hat gaining the trademark rights of "CentOS". Red Hat also sponsors the development of the {{w|Fedora operating system|Fedora}} operating system. Until now, software development took place on Fedora, which was later adopted in RHEL, which the Red Hat maintained and provided support for, for those customers who had RHEL subscription. CentOS would then follow RHEL's release cycle to provide the same features free of cost, but without the support. Stream was announced in September 2019, just two months after Red Hat was acquired by [[IBM]]. CentOS Stream's development cycle had new features added to it before the features became a part of RHEL. Stream receives more frequent updates, however, it does not follow RHEL's release cycle. With CentOS Stream, developments from the community and the Red Hat employees would take place beforehand on both Fedora, and Stream as a {{w|rolling release}}, before those features are absorbed into RHEL. CentOS followed the release cycle of RHEL and therefore it was a stable distribution. Features available in CentOS were tried and tested by Fedora, and then RHEL maintainers. Red Hat's Chief Technical Officer Chris Wright wrote in the announcement "CentOS Stream isn't a replacement for CentOS Linux; rather, it's a natural, inevitable next step intended to fulfill the project's goal of furthering enterprise Linux innovation." Since the announcement was made, many people expressed their anger on {{w|Internet Relay Chat}} (IRC), [[Reddit]] and CentOS project's mailing list. CentOS 8's End of Life (EOL) has been moved up from May 2029 to December 31, 2021, while CentOS 7 is expected to receive maintenance updates through June 2024, outliving CentOS 8. [[File:Rocky Linux wordmark.svg|thumb|Logo of Rocky Linux{{image|Josh Urbain and Hayden Young}}]] Soon after Red Hat's announcement, Kurtzer announced his intentions to develop {{w|Rocky Linux}}, to fill the role CentOS had been playing for so long. Kurtzer said Rocky Linux was named after Rocky McGaugh. "Thinking back to early CentOS days... My cofounder was Rocky McGaugh. He is no longer with us, so as a H/T [{{w|hat tip}}] to him, who never got to see the success that CentOS came to be, I introduce to you...Rocky Linux", Kurtzer wrote. ''Wikinews'' discussed with Kurtzer the beginning of CentOS, and future of Rocky Linux. While no formal date of release has been announced for Rocky Linux, Kurtzer said they are planning to release the CentOS replacement before the end of life of CentOS 8. Kurtzer also said Rocky Linux will run on both x86-64 and ARM-based processors, and CentOS users would be able to convert their OS to Rocky Linux just by running a single command. Saying Rocky Linux is for the community, Kurtzer said he "take[s] the responsibility of ensuring that all decisions are in favor of the community and the project and free from corporate control" including his own company. Talking about the attention from the userbase Rocky Linux has received, Kurtzer said, "I have never seen an open community come together this fast and be this passionate about working together towards a common goal." == Interview with Gregory Kurtzer == [[File:Centos-logo-light.svg|thumb|Logo of CentOS.{{image|{{w|CentOS}}}}]] {{WNI first question}} '''Why was CentOS originally created? What were the reasons why it was then absorbed by Red Hat?''' {{WNIR|Gregory Kurtzer}} CentOS was originally created because Red Hat decided to EOL (End of Life) {{w|Red Hat Linux}} (RHL) shortly after releasing RHL 8. Overnight, RHL ceased to exist and Red Hat instead released Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) which was a commercial only product. This means that the majority of RHL users were left without a "free" solution or upgrade path. At the time a Linux distribution that I founded called CAOS Linux was just beginning to get underway, and we too were relying on RHL as a bootstrap build environment. One of our developers, Rocky McGaugh, quickly rebuilt the sources in RHEL to give us a stable foundation. That was the beginning of CentOS which was released as an open source project. After CentOS became widely known, CentOS was separated from Caos Linux Foundation and another person took the lead. Later, the project underwent some drama — lost developers, contributors, and a lot of support, to the point where only a couple of developers were running everything and Red Hat hired most of them. I had no visibility of the acquisition of CentOS. [[File:IBM logo.svg|thumb|[[IBM]] acquired Red Hat, CentOS's parent company, last year.{{image|Paul Rand}}]] {{WNIQ}} '''How has CentOS evolved since it became a part of Red Hat?''' {{WNIR|Gregory Kurtzer}} Red Hat has invested a good deal of resources into the CentOS project itself and the community has benefited from additional developers, closer ties to Red Hat's internal development team and infrastructure (including Fedora), marketing, branding, conference presence, etc. Red Hat has always been a tremendous supporter of Linux and open source, but that doesn't make Red Hat/[[IBM]] a good home for CentOS. {{WNIQ}} '''How will this move by Red Hat, to move focus towards Stream, affect those who relied on CentOS?''' {{WNIR|Gregory Kurtzer}} The focus towards Stream, while not exactly meeting the needs of enterprise use cases, wasn't the biggest problem, it was the unexpected change in the CentOS End Of Life (EOL) which moved from 2029 to 2021. But either one, much less both together, demonstrates that the Community Enterprise Operating System is not technically "community" or "enterprise". We have heard from many people now that this move has undermined not only trust in CentOS, but also other open source distributions of Linux which are commercially controlled. Who is to stop them from doing something very similar? {{WNIQ}} '''Tell us about Rocky Linux.''' {{WNIR|Gregory Kurtzer}} Rocky Linux is a Community Enterprise Linux distribution by the community and for the community. Our goal is to be {{w|bug-for-bug compatible}} with RHEL and provide a long life for enterprise needs. {{WNIQ}} '''How will Rocky Linux aim to fill the void that CentOS will leave?''' {{WNIR|Gregory Kurtzer}} The last time I checked, CentOS was the most utilized Linux server operating system on the Internet. All of these users, including development teams, need stability. Linux is free. Myself, among many thousands of developers and companies around the world, have contributed to what makes up a Linux distribution. While nobody has a problem with companies offering value by building a usable, supportable platform out of open source software, there needs to be a freely available version out of respect to all of the people who have made the distribution possible as well as the organizations that have contributed time and resources into Linux. It is not owned by the Linux distribution vendor, it is packaged by them. Rocky [Linux] will provide a freely available, stable, enterprise-grade operating system that can be used everywhere by anyone. {{WNIQ}} '''Will Rocky Linux provide a way to migrate CentOS 7 and 8 to Rocky Linux? How will you ensure it is a smooth transition?''' {{WNIR|Gregory Kurtzer}} We are not currently forking CentOS 7 because that has not changed its EOL. If that changes, we will rebuild that as well. To convert a CentOS 8 system to Rocky Linux 8, you only need to run a single command: <span style="font-family: monospace">dnf install <nowiki>http://your.favorite.rocky.mirror/path/to/rocky-release*.rpm</nowiki></span> Because Rocky is completely compatible with both CentOS and RHEL, this single command is all you will have to do to keep your system running, patched, and supported. [[File:Raspberry-Pi-2-Bare-BR.jpg|thumb|Raspberry Pi 2 uses the 32-bit ARM processor.{{image|[[c:User:Evan-Amos|Evan-Amos]]}}]] {{WNIQ}} '''Which hardwares will Rocky Linux run on? Is the aim to provide support for all hardwares CentOS supported, or just those which Red Hat supported?''' {{WNIR|Gregory Kurtzer}} So far we have very active support and interest in {{w|x86-64}} as well as {{w|ARM architecture|ARM}}. Nobody from {{w|IBM POWER instruction set architecture|IBM Power}} has reached out to us (yet). :{{WNIQ}} '''Will Rocky Linux be supported for both 32-bit and 64-bit ARM processors?''' :{{WNIR|Gregory Kurtzer}} That isn't known yet, it depends on what ARM and contributors commit too, which will surely be driven by community necessity and requests. {{WNIQ}} '''Will Rocky Linux be the same as CentOS in functionality, or will it do some things differently?''' {{WNIR|Gregory Kurtzer}} Bug-for-bug compatibility. We've already been approached by multiple people asking about {{w|Special Interest Group|Special Interest Groups}} (SIGs) for value adds over and above the base enterprise platform. One of my interests, for example, can be supported here with an HPC ({{w|High Performance Computing}}) SIG. {{w|Big Data}}, {{w|Kubernetes}}/{{w|OS-level virtualization|Containers}}, and enhanced security have been among the other SIG proposals we've received. {{WNIQ}} '''What are some of the challenges that Rocky Linux currently faces? How do you plan to tackle those?''' {{WNIR|Gregory Kurtzer}} Velocity of growth is the biggest challenge so far. We are six days old and we keep hitting the invite link limits for our {{w|Slack}}, which now has thousands of people in it. I've requested a sponsorship from Slack, but so far, we haven't had a very positive outcome. We're looking into alternatives to Slack for real-time communications as well. For durable discussion, we've had more than 100,000 views of our forums in three days, and already we're hitting limits with our hosting there, so that needs to be scaled soon as well. Also, we are working on {{w|Federal Information Processing Standards|FIPS}} certifications and {{w|Security Technical Implementation Guide|STIG}} standards which have been a consistent request. That means that the security and compliance team is guiding how every aspect of the infrastructure is set up to guarantee security, compliance, and trust. {{WNIQ}} '''How many developers are working on Rocky Linux? What are the important things that require significant developer time and attention?''' {{WNIR|Gregory Kurtzer}} We are about 65 contributors actively driving Rocky right now, all in small task groups to do specific things. We also have about another 250 who have volunteered and are awaiting roles, and even more asking to help drive and build the community. We also have small to massive corporations stepping up to support us in the form of sponsorships, donations, mirrors, hardware, cloud resources, etc. Very careful attention will be paid to the security, trust, and compliance of what we are creating. I have never seen an open community come together this fast and be this passionate about working together towards a common goal. {{WNIQ}} '''Can we expect Rocky Linux to be released before CentOS 8 reaches end of life?''' {{WNIR|Gregory Kurtzer}} Yes. While we haven't given any ETA on release, we already have a large percentage of the work underway and if I were to make a SWAG [{{w|Scientific wild-ass guess}}], it will be near the end of Q1 or beginning of Q2 2021. {{WNIQ}} '''How will the governing body of Rocky Linux function? How can Rocky Linux ensure similar situation like this does not repeat?''' {{WNIR|Gregory Kurtzer}} At the moment, we have a structure similar to most organizations. People have been empowered to make decisions and report upwards. This may change in the future, but right now, we need leadership and I take the responsibility of ensuring that all decisions are in favor of the community and the project and free from corporate control (even from my own company). My commitment to the project is that Rocky will always remain in the best interest of the community and everyone who wishes to be part of the organization, with good intentions, will be welcomed. Since day one, Rocky's coordination efforts have been completely transparent. I invite anyone reading this to join the #rocky-coordination channel on our Slack instance. There you'll find many high-level discussions taking place with direct community involvement. {{WNIQ}} '''What are the short-term and long-term goals of Rocky Linux and how will the project ensure it stays on its path?''' {{WNIR|Gregory Kurtzer}} Short term: organization of technology and people. Mid term: general availability of Rocky Linux. Long term: growing the community like sponsoring SIGs. {{HYS}} == Related news == *{{wikinews|Red Hat to move focus away from CentOS in favour of Stream; CentOS team discuss implications with Wikinews|December 14, 2020}} == Sources == {{Interview|media=email text}} {{clear}} == External links == *{{source |url = https://www.centos.org/about/governance/sigs/ |date = December 12, 2020 (date of access) |title = The CentOS SIGs |pub = CentOS |author = }} *{{source |url = https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2020-December/thread.html |date = December 12, 2020 (date of access) |title = December 2020 Archives by thread |pub = CentOS |author = }} *{{source |url = https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux?source=bloglisting |date = December 12, 2020 (date of access) |title = Rocky Linux |pub = Rocky Linux |author = }} *{{source |url = https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/how-rhel-is-made/ |date = December 11, 2020 |title = How RHEL is Made |pub = CentOS |author = Brendan Conoboy }} *{{source |url = https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-centos-stream-updates?source=bloglisting |date = December 8, 2020 |title = FAQ: CentOS Stream Updates |pub = Red Hat |author = }} *{{source |url = https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/centos-stream-is-continuous-delivery/ |date = December 11, 2020 |title = CentOS Stream is Continuous Delivery |pub = CentOS |author = Stef Walter }} *{{source |url = https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/minutes-for-centos-board-of-directors-for-2020-11-11/ |date = December 11, 2020 |title = Minutes for CentOS Board of Directors for 2020-11-11 |pub = CentOS |author = Thomas Oulevey }} {{Publish}} {{Archive}} [[Category:Computing]] [[Category:FLOSS]] [[Category:IBM]] [[Category:Linux]] [[Category:Operating system]] [[Category:Science and technology]] [[Category:Software]] [[Category:Acagastya (Wikinewsie)]] [[Category:Red Hat]] [[zh:維基新聞就Rocky Linux的新計劃專訪CentOS項目的Gregory Kurtzer]] __NOTOC__ kv03acaq71syu3znh6984d1stt82zid User talk:Spacha 3 2917072 4684494 4608432 2022-07-21T07:31:06Z Stryn 249914 Stryn moved page [[User talk:Finis Valorum]] to [[User talk:Spacha]]: Automatically moved page while renaming the user "[[Special:CentralAuth/Finis Valorum|Finis Valorum]]" to "[[Special:CentralAuth/Spacha|Spacha]]" wikitext text/x-wiki {{Template:Welcome|realName=|name=Finis Valorum}} -- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 17:58, 1 March 2021 (UTC) 83bdb2ztzxso1xszg1uuinexo37wdxe User talk:Abt1379 3 2934766 4684477 4648918 2022-07-21T03:06:41Z QueerEcofeminist 290008 QueerEcofeminist moved page [[User talk:Arian aboutalebi]] to [[User talk:Abt1379]]: Automatically moved page while renaming the user "[[Special:CentralAuth/Arian aboutalebi|Arian aboutalebi]]" to "[[Special:CentralAuth/Abt1379|Abt1379]]" wikitext text/x-wiki {{Template:Welcome|realName=|name=Arian aboutalebi}} -- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 12:56, 4 November 2021 (UTC) 7enzol6w84huyyecj2luqgl4oay2er8 User:Abt1379 2 2934767 4684475 4681645 2022-07-21T03:06:41Z QueerEcofeminist 290008 QueerEcofeminist moved page [[User:Arian aboutalebi]] to [[User:Abt1379]]: Automatically moved page while renaming the user "[[Special:CentralAuth/Arian aboutalebi|Arian aboutalebi]]" to "[[Special:CentralAuth/Abt1379|Abt1379]]" wikitext text/x-wiki phoiac9h4m842xq45sp7s6u21eteeq1 User talk:Setting a democratic precedent/sandbox/One of Taiwan's PBS directors resigned amid political pressures 3 2938957 4684431 4660344 2022-07-20T18:13:17Z Bddpaux 112744 /* Sandbox, maybe?? */ new section wikitext text/x-wiki *Please note: we will require English on your sources. --[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 22:31, 21 January 2022 (UTC) == I sure would like to........ == .....see this article go somewhere, but it has to be freshened up AND the sources have to be marked up in English. Sorry!--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 15:29, 26 January 2022 (UTC) == Will update on Saturday and Sunday (UTC+8) == It would be convenient for me to work on Wikinews on Saturday & Sunday because they are holidays in Taiwan. I plan to add tomorrow (Saturday) & next tomorrow (Sunday) the opinion of the minister of culture. [[User:Setting a democratic precedent|Setting a democratic precedent]] ([[User talk:Setting a democratic precedent|talk]]) 19:52, 28 January 2022 (UTC) == International audience == Reading this as an outsider, I have no idea what PBS, KMT, or DPP is. Can the article link or explain these acronyms without getting encyclopedic? --[[User:SVTCobra|'''SVT''']][[User Talk:SVTCobra|''Cobra'']] 17:55, 29 January 2022 (UTC) :Yes, will do it tomorrow on Feb 5. Thanks for your attention. [[User:Setting a democratic precedent|Setting a democratic precedent]] ([[User talk:Setting a democratic precedent|talk]]) 18:53, 3 February 2022 (UTC) ::There might be some misunderstanding, you explained what PBS is in your [https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=One_of_Taiwan%27s_PBS_directors_resigned_amid_political_pressures&oldid=4660226 last edit] to the article which is not at all required. Your clarification in [[User:Setting a democratic precedent/Drafts of reply|here]] is aprreciated. In general, odd terms like these must be used without abbreviations. Also another issue pointed out by @[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] about the language of the sources has not yet been fixed. The news is currently stale. The points noted by Cromium are of concern. We highly appreciate your efforts and hope to see you create articles about more news in the coming future. Consider creating short articles for a trial period of Feb 1–Apr 30 and help freshening up Wikinews. ::@[[User:Cromium|Cromium]], @[[User:SVTCobra|SVTCobra]], delete? [[User:2006nishan178713|2006nishan178713]]<sup>[[User talk:2006nishan178713|t@lk]]</sup> 16:46, 5 February 2022 (UTC) :::@[[User:Setting a democratic precedent|Setting a democratic precedent]] [[User:2006nishan178713|2006nishan178713]]<sup>[[User talk:2006nishan178713|t@lk]]</sup> 16:46, 5 February 2022 (UTC) ::::Hi! Thanks for the notice. I have been working to improve the article according to Cromium's precious feedback because I plan to treat this article as learning material to grow my practical experience in writing news story. So please do not delete it. I am fine with not publishing it. Thanks a lot. [[User:Setting a democratic precedent|Setting a democratic precedent]] ([[User talk:Setting a democratic precedent|talk]]) 16:55, 5 February 2022 (UTC) :::::@[[User:Setting a democratic precedent|Setting a democratic precedent]], If you want, we can put it in your user sandbox/subpage. [[User:2006nishan178713|2006nishan178713]]<sup>[[User talk:2006nishan178713|t@lk]]</sup> 16:58, 5 February 2022 (UTC) ::::::Yes, thank you very much! [[User:Setting a democratic precedent|Setting a democratic precedent]] ([[User talk:Setting a democratic precedent|talk]]) 17:01, 5 February 2022 (UTC) :::::::Here you go--- [[User:Setting a democratic precedent/sandbox]] [[User:2006nishan178713|2006nishan178713]]<sup>[[User talk:2006nishan178713|t@lk]]</sup> 17:04, 5 February 2022 (UTC) ::::::::@[[User:Setting a democratic precedent|Setting a democratic precedent]], I appreciate your kind behaviour. Have a good day or night!! [[User:2006nishan178713|2006nishan178713]]<sup>[[User talk:2006nishan178713|t@lk]]</sup> 17:05, 5 February 2022 (UTC) :::::::::Thank you so much and I wish you the same! For the sake of checking the diffs, can you also merge the edit histories for talk page and article into [[User:Setting a democratic precedent/sandbox/One of Taiwan's PBS directors resigned amid political pressures]]? Gratitude! [[User:Setting a democratic precedent|Setting a democratic precedent]] ([[User talk:Setting a democratic precedent|talk]]) 17:11, 5 February 2022 (UTC) ::::::::::Unfortunately I don't have the rights to do that. You need to contact an administrator for help. Cromium, SVTCobra or Bddpaux can help I guess. [[User:2006nishan178713|2006nishan178713]]<sup>[[User talk:2006nishan178713|t@lk]]</sup> 17:20, 5 February 2022 (UTC) :::::::::::Thank you! [[User:Setting a democratic precedent|Setting a democratic precedent]] ([[User talk:Setting a democratic precedent|talk]]) [[User:Setting a democratic precedent|Setting a democratic precedent]] ([[User talk:Setting a democratic precedent|talk]]) 17:23, 5 February 2022 (UTC) ::::::::::::{{ping|Bddpaux}}, could you assist in this matter? [[User:Setting a democratic precedent|Setting a democratic precedent]] ([[User talk:Setting a democratic precedent|talk]]) 17:28, 5 February 2022 (UTC) :::::::::::::I don't think it is applicable to transfer edit histories in the sandbox [[User:2006nishan178713|2006nishan178713]]<sup>[[User talk:2006nishan178713|t@lk]]</sup> 17:34, 5 February 2022 (UTC) ::::::::::::::Ahh, let me just clarify what I mean here. I mean, {{ping|Bddpaux}}, could you assist in merging the edit histories for talk page and article into [[User:Setting a democratic precedent/sandbox/One of Taiwan's PBS directors resigned amid political pressures]] so that I will be able to check diffs to look at the sequence of the logistics of whole my writing? Thank you all! --[[User:Setting a democratic precedent|Setting a democratic precedent]] ([[User talk:Setting a democratic precedent|talk]]) 17:49, 5 February 2022 (UTC) == Original poster == Please look at your user page.--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 17:17, 1 February 2022 (UTC) :Noted, thanks! [[User:Setting a democratic precedent|Setting a democratic precedent]] ([[User talk:Setting a democratic precedent|talk]]) 18:53, 3 February 2022 (UTC) == Sandbox, maybe?? == Do you need a bit of help setting up a Sandbox??--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 18:13, 20 July 2022 (UTC) oxx4zkuebzeakd8pq542l71px0gn9p3 User talk:Shelovesneo 3 2939045 4684438 4662770 2022-07-20T19:09:17Z Deepfriedokra 2774726 Deepfriedokra moved page [[User talk:Neo the Twin]] to [[User talk:Shelovesneo]]: Automatically moved page while renaming the user "[[Special:CentralAuth/Neo the Twin|Neo the Twin]]" to "[[Special:CentralAuth/Shelovesneo|Shelovesneo]]" wikitext text/x-wiki {{Template:Welcome|realName=|name=Motlatlaneo}} -- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 10:21, 23 January 2022 (UTC) es74q2bf95256vw49p9gwni4imlntmz Wikinews:Water cooler/miscellaneous/archives/2022/June 4 2951050 4684473 4683703 2022-07-21T03:01:51Z Revibot I 1627724 Bot: Archiving 2 threads from [[Wikinews:Water cooler/miscellaneous]] wikitext text/x-wiki {{talk archive}} == <section begin="announcement-header" /> 2022 Board of Trustees Call for Candidates closed<section end="announcement-header" /> == <section begin="announcement-content" /> :''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2022/Announcement/2022 Candidates for the Board of Trustees|You can find this message translated into additional languages on Meta-wiki.]]'' :''<div class="plainlinks">[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2022/Announcement/2022 Candidates for the Board of Trustees|{{int:interlanguage-link-mul}}]] • [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-{{urlencode:Wikimedia Foundation elections/2022/Announcement/2022 Candidates for the Board of Trustees}}&language=&action=page&filter= {{int:please-translate}}]</div>'' The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2022|2022 Board of Trustees election]] Call for Candidates has now closed. 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[[User:JJLiu112|JJLiu112]] ([[User talk:JJLiu112|talk]]) 20:31, 13 June 2022 (UTC) == Cascading protection on [[DaBaby Levitating remix losing US radio audiences after the rapper's comments on HIV/AIDS]] == Is there a reason [[DaBaby Levitating remix losing US radio audiences after the rapper's comments on HIV/AIDS]] has cascading protection enabled? [[User:Ixfd64|Ixfd64]] ([[User talk:Ixfd64|talk]]) 00:10, 18 June 2022 (UTC) :{{re|Ixfd64}} No idea but I’ve removed it. ['''[[:User:Cromium|<sub>24</sub>Cr]]''']['''[[:User talk:Cromium|talk]]'''] 12:38, 19 June 2022 (UTC) ::Could you please remove the cascading protection from [[Taylor Swift's Evermore records biggest sales week of the year as it returns to No 1 on album chart]] as well? ::I'd like to make some changes to [[Template:Infobox/lookup/Music]], which is affected by the cascading protection. Thanks again! --[[User:Ixfd64|Ixfd64]] ([[User talk:Ixfd64|talk]]) 16:24, 19 June 2022 (UTC) :::{{re|Ixfd64}} Done. 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Temperatures reached 40.3°C (104.54°F) in Coningsby, Lincolnshire at 16:00 BST, compared to a previous national record of only 38.7°C (101.66°F). In Scotland, a new national record of 34.8°C (94.64°F) was set at Chatterhall, in the Scottish borders, also significantly higher than the previous record of 32.9°C (91.22°F). Multiple fires were burning throughout the UK on Tuesday. A red extreme heat warning, the highest level of warning, is currently in place in much of England, Wales and Scotland, lasting from midnight entering Monday until midnight entering Wednesday. People have been advised to drink plenty of water, not go out in the midday sun and keep curtains closed to cool rooms. People have also been advised not to travel unless necessary as most of the trains don't have good air conditioning. Some rail services were cancelled after tracks overheated or buckled and overhead cables failed. {{haveyoursay}} == Sources ==  *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62217282 |title = UK heatwave sees temperatures above 40C for first time |author = Jasmine Andersson & Doug Faulkner |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/europe/live-news/uk-europe-heatwave-fires-news-071922-intl-gbr/index.html |title = Heat wave scorches Europe as UK reaches record-breaking temperatures |author = Sana Noor Haq, Hafsa Khalil, Angela Dewan, Aditi Sangal, Mike Hayes and Elise Hammond |pub = CNN news |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62231646.amp |title = Heatwave: Records fall as extreme heat bakes Western Europe |author = Malu Cursino |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} oh4vc3sza2hrbadqssu8jbalf5kx5w5 4684414 4684405 2022-07-20T15:28:03Z JJLiu112 2780319 Not ready when reviewed: article needs improvement(s). Add article flag. (Using [[MediaWiki:Gadget-easyPeerReview.js|easy peer review]] wikitext text/x-wiki {{tasks|mos|re-review}} {{date|19 July,2022}} Britain experienced its highest ever temperatures Tuesday, exceeding 40°C (104°F) for the first time, during an ongoing heatwave. Temperatures reached 40.3°C (104.54°F) in Coningsby, Lincolnshire at 16:00 BST, compared to a previous national record of only 38.7°C (101.66°F). In Scotland, a new national record of 34.8°C (94.64°F) was set at Chatterhall, in the Scottish borders, also significantly higher than the previous record of 32.9°C (91.22°F). Multiple fires were burning throughout the UK on Tuesday. A red extreme heat warning, the highest level of warning, is currently in place in much of England, Wales and Scotland, lasting from midnight entering Monday until midnight entering Wednesday. People have been advised to drink plenty of water, not go out in the midday sun and keep curtains closed to cool rooms. People have also been advised not to travel unless necessary as most of the trains don't have good air conditioning. 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Some rail services were cancelled after tracks overheated or buckled and overhead cables failed. {{haveyoursay}} == Sources ==  *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62217282 |title = UK heatwave sees temperatures above 40C for first time |author = Jasmine Andersson & Doug Faulkner |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/europe/live-news/uk-europe-heatwave-fires-news-071922-intl-gbr/index.html |title = Heat wave scorches Europe as UK reaches record-breaking temperatures |author = Sana Noor Haq, Hafsa Khalil, Angela Dewan, Aditi Sangal, Mike Hayes and Elise Hammond |pub = CNN |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62231646.amp |title = Heatwave: Records fall as extreme heat bakes Western Europe |author = Malu Cursino |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} 1egyq1yfd4qckfbvbxywve2ypxtjvox 4684420 4684417 2022-07-20T17:27:23Z Emkay2004 2846052 Added content wikitext text/x-wiki {{tasks|mos|re-review}} {{date|19 July,2022}} [[|thumb|left|]] Britain experienced its highest ever temperatures Tuesday, exceeding 40°C (104°F) for the first time, during an ongoing heatwave. Temperatures reached 40.3°C (104.54°F) in Coningsby, Lincolnshire at 16:00 BST, compared to a previous national record of only 38.7°C (101.66°F). In Scotland, a new national record of 34.8°C (94.64°F) was set at Chatterhall, in the Scottish borders, also significantly higher than the previous record of 32.9°C (91.22°F). Multiple fires were burning throughout the UK on Tuesday. A red extreme heat warning, the highest level of warning, is currently in place in much of England, Wales and Scotland, lasting from midnight entering Monday until midnight entering Wednesday. People have been advised to drink plenty of water, not go out in the midday sun and keep curtains closed to cool rooms. People have also been advised not to travel unless necessary as most of the trains don't have good air conditioning. Some rail services were cancelled after tracks overheated or buckled and overhead cables failed. {{haveyoursay}} == Sources ==  *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62217282 |title = UK heatwave sees temperatures above 40C for first time |author = Jasmine Andersson & Doug Faulkner |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/europe/live-news/uk-europe-heatwave-fires-news-071922-intl-gbr/index.html |title = Heat wave scorches Europe as UK reaches record-breaking temperatures |author = Sana Noor Haq, Hafsa Khalil, Angela Dewan, Aditi Sangal, Mike Hayes and Elise Hammond |pub = CNN |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62231646.amp |title = Heatwave: Records fall as extreme heat bakes Western Europe |author = Malu Cursino |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} 5nisjsao2vou7sqw56zlf7lwl0dxaqy 4684421 4684420 2022-07-20T17:30:28Z Emkay2004 2846052 Added content wikitext text/x-wiki {{tasks|mos|re-review}} {{date|19 July,2022}} [[File:UK heatwave weather warnings July 2022.jpg|thumb|left|]] Britain experienced its highest ever temperatures Tuesday, exceeding 40°C (104°F) for the first time, during an ongoing heatwave. Temperatures reached 40.3°C (104.54°F) in Coningsby, Lincolnshire at 16:00 BST, compared to a previous national record of only 38.7°C (101.66°F). In Scotland, a new national record of 34.8°C (94.64°F) was set at Chatterhall, in the Scottish borders, also significantly higher than the previous record of 32.9°C (91.22°F). Multiple fires were burning throughout the UK on Tuesday. A red extreme heat warning, the highest level of warning, is currently in place in much of England, Wales and Scotland, lasting from midnight entering Monday until midnight entering Wednesday. People have been advised to drink plenty of water, not go out in the midday sun and keep curtains closed to cool rooms. People have also been advised not to travel unless necessary as most of the trains don't have good air conditioning. Some rail services were cancelled after tracks overheated or buckled and overhead cables failed. {{haveyoursay}} == Sources ==  *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62217282 |title = UK heatwave sees temperatures above 40C for first time |author = Jasmine Andersson & Doug Faulkner |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/europe/live-news/uk-europe-heatwave-fires-news-071922-intl-gbr/index.html |title = Heat wave scorches Europe as UK reaches record-breaking temperatures |author = Sana Noor Haq, Hafsa Khalil, Angela Dewan, Aditi Sangal, Mike Hayes and Elise Hammond |pub = CNN |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62231646.amp |title = Heatwave: Records fall as extreme heat bakes Western Europe |author = Malu Cursino |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} 5cqquz0p0bpcp29afj4b29n25sgcjgi 4684422 4684421 2022-07-20T17:32:43Z Emkay2004 2846052 wikitext text/x-wiki {{tasks|mos|re-review}} {{date|19 July,2022}} [[File:UK heatwave weather warnings July 2022.jpg|260px|thumb|left|Uk heatwave weather warnings]] Britain experienced its highest ever temperatures Tuesday, exceeding 40°C (104°F) for the first time, during an ongoing heatwave. Temperatures reached 40.3°C (104.54°F) in Coningsby, Lincolnshire at 16:00 BST, compared to a previous national record of only 38.7°C (101.66°F). In Scotland, a new national record of 34.8°C (94.64°F) was set at Chatterhall, in the Scottish borders, also significantly higher than the previous record of 32.9°C (91.22°F). Multiple fires were burning throughout the UK on Tuesday. A red extreme heat warning, the highest level of warning, is currently in place in much of England, Wales and Scotland, lasting from midnight entering Monday until midnight entering Wednesday. People have been advised to drink plenty of water, not go out in the midday sun and keep curtains closed to cool rooms. People have also been advised not to travel unless necessary as most of the trains don't have good air conditioning. Some rail services were cancelled after tracks overheated or buckled and overhead cables failed. {{haveyoursay}} == Sources ==  *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62217282 |title = UK heatwave sees temperatures above 40C for first time |author = Jasmine Andersson & Doug Faulkner |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/europe/live-news/uk-europe-heatwave-fires-news-071922-intl-gbr/index.html |title = Heat wave scorches Europe as UK reaches record-breaking temperatures |author = Sana Noor Haq, Hafsa Khalil, Angela Dewan, Aditi Sangal, Mike Hayes and Elise Hammond |pub = CNN |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62231646.amp |title = Heatwave: Records fall as extreme heat bakes Western Europe |author = Malu Cursino |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} kkdd4k8epjf9l72hz7f5tyztyg9jhpe 4684423 4684422 2022-07-20T17:43:13Z Emkay2004 2846052 Added content wikitext text/x-wiki {{tasks|mos|re-review}} {{date|19 July,2022}} [[File:UK heatwave weather warnings July 2022.jpg|260px|thumb|left|Uk heatwave weather warnings]] [[W:Uk|Uk]] experienced its highest ever temperatures on July 19, 2022 exceeding 40°Celcius (104°fahrenheit) for the first time, during an ongoing heatwave. Temperatures reached 40.3°C (104.54°F) in Coningsby, Lincolnshire at 16:00 BST, compared to a previous national record of only 38.7°C (101.66°F). In Scotland, a new national record of 34.8°C (94.64°F) was set at Chatterhall, in the Scottish borders, also significantly higher than the previous record of 32.9°C (91.22°F). Multiple fires were burning throughout the UK on Tuesday. A red extreme heat warning, the highest level of warning, is currently in place in much of England, Wales and Scotland, lasting from midnight entering Monday until midnight entering Wednesday. People have been advised to drink plenty of water, not go out in the midday sun and keep curtains closed to cool rooms. People have also been advised not to travel unless necessary as most of the trains don't have good air conditioning. Some rail services were cancelled after tracks overheated or buckled and overhead cables failed. {{haveyoursay}} == Sources ==  *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62217282 |title = UK heatwave sees temperatures above 40C for first time |author = Jasmine Andersson & Doug Faulkner |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/europe/live-news/uk-europe-heatwave-fires-news-071922-intl-gbr/index.html |title = Heat wave scorches Europe as UK reaches record-breaking temperatures |author = Sana Noor Haq, Hafsa Khalil, Angela Dewan, Aditi Sangal, Mike Hayes and Elise Hammond |pub = CNN |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62231646.amp |title = Heatwave: Records fall as extreme heat bakes Western Europe |author = Malu Cursino |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} r9fvvtdvwrundado0aexe5xnl1bzehz 4684424 4684423 2022-07-20T17:44:34Z Emkay2004 2846052 /* Sources */Fixed mispells wikitext text/x-wiki {{tasks|mos|re-review}} {{date|19 July,2022}} [[File:UK heatwave weather warnings July 2022.jpg|260px|thumb|left|Uk heatwave weather warnings]] [[W:Uk|Uk]] experienced its highest ever temperatures on July 19, 2022 exceeding 40°Celcius (104°fahrenheit) for the first time, during an ongoing heatwave. Temperatures reached 40.3°C (104.54°F) in Coningsby, Lincolnshire at 16:00 BST, compared to a previous national record of only 38.7°C (101.66°F). In Scotland, a new national record of 34.8°C (94.64°F) was set at Chatterhall, in the Scottish borders, also significantly higher than the previous record of 32.9°C (91.22°F). Multiple fires were burning throughout the UK on Tuesday. A red extreme heat warning, the highest level of warning, is currently in place in much of England, Wales and Scotland, lasting from midnight entering Monday until midnight entering Wednesday. People have been advised to drink plenty of water, not go out in the midday sun and keep curtains closed to cool rooms. People have also been advised not to travel unless necessary as most of the trains don't have good air conditioning. Some rail services were cancelled after tracks overheated or buckled and overhead cables failed. {{haveyoursay}} == Sources ==  *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62217282 |title = UK heatwave sees temperatures above 40C for first time |author = Jasmine Andersson & Doug Faulkner |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/europe/live-news/uk-europe-heatwave-fires-news-071922-intl-gbr/index.html |title = Heat wave scorches Europe as UK reaches record-breaking temperatures |author = Sana Noor Haq, Hafsa Khalil, Angela Dewan, Aditi Sangal, Mike Hayes and Elise Hammond |pub = CNN News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62231646.amp |title = Heatwave: Records fall as extreme heat bakes Western Europe |author = Malu Cursino |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} lp493k8qbnsbv7p1e1e1yi1gzyqt0gv 4684426 4684424 2022-07-20T17:49:23Z Emkay2004 2846052 Emkay2004 moved page [[Heatwave in Europe]] to [[Heatwave in the United Kingdom]]: Topic was too broad wikitext text/x-wiki {{tasks|mos|re-review}} {{date|19 July,2022}} [[File:UK heatwave weather warnings July 2022.jpg|260px|thumb|left|Uk heatwave weather warnings]] [[W:Uk|Uk]] experienced its highest ever temperatures on July 19, 2022 exceeding 40°Celcius (104°fahrenheit) for the first time, during an ongoing heatwave. Temperatures reached 40.3°C (104.54°F) in Coningsby, Lincolnshire at 16:00 BST, compared to a previous national record of only 38.7°C (101.66°F). In Scotland, a new national record of 34.8°C (94.64°F) was set at Chatterhall, in the Scottish borders, also significantly higher than the previous record of 32.9°C (91.22°F). Multiple fires were burning throughout the UK on Tuesday. A red extreme heat warning, the highest level of warning, is currently in place in much of England, Wales and Scotland, lasting from midnight entering Monday until midnight entering Wednesday. People have been advised to drink plenty of water, not go out in the midday sun and keep curtains closed to cool rooms. People have also been advised not to travel unless necessary as most of the trains don't have good air conditioning. Some rail services were cancelled after tracks overheated or buckled and overhead cables failed. {{haveyoursay}} == Sources ==  *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62217282 |title = UK heatwave sees temperatures above 40C for first time |author = Jasmine Andersson & Doug Faulkner |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/europe/live-news/uk-europe-heatwave-fires-news-071922-intl-gbr/index.html |title = Heat wave scorches Europe as UK reaches record-breaking temperatures |author = Sana Noor Haq, Hafsa Khalil, Angela Dewan, Aditi Sangal, Mike Hayes and Elise Hammond |pub = CNN News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62231646.amp |title = Heatwave: Records fall as extreme heat bakes Western Europe |author = Malu Cursino |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} lp493k8qbnsbv7p1e1e1yi1gzyqt0gv 4684430 4684426 2022-07-20T17:51:22Z Emkay2004 2846052 Please review this article. (via [[Template:Assistant:Submit/form|form]]) wikitext text/x-wiki {{review}} {{date|19 July,2022}} [[File:UK heatwave weather warnings July 2022.jpg|260px|thumb|left|Uk heatwave weather warnings]] [[W:Uk|Uk]] experienced its highest ever temperatures on July 19, 2022 exceeding 40°Celcius (104°fahrenheit) for the first time, during an ongoing heatwave. Temperatures reached 40.3°C (104.54°F) in Coningsby, Lincolnshire at 16:00 BST, compared to a previous national record of only 38.7°C (101.66°F). In Scotland, a new national record of 34.8°C (94.64°F) was set at Chatterhall, in the Scottish borders, also significantly higher than the previous record of 32.9°C (91.22°F). Multiple fires were burning throughout the UK on Tuesday. A red extreme heat warning, the highest level of warning, is currently in place in much of England, Wales and Scotland, lasting from midnight entering Monday until midnight entering Wednesday. People have been advised to drink plenty of water, not go out in the midday sun and keep curtains closed to cool rooms. People have also been advised not to travel unless necessary as most of the trains don't have good air conditioning. Some rail services were cancelled after tracks overheated or buckled and overhead cables failed. {{haveyoursay}} == Sources ==  *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62217282 |title = UK heatwave sees temperatures above 40C for first time |author = Jasmine Andersson & Doug Faulkner |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/europe/live-news/uk-europe-heatwave-fires-news-071922-intl-gbr/index.html |title = Heat wave scorches Europe as UK reaches record-breaking temperatures |author = Sana Noor Haq, Hafsa Khalil, Angela Dewan, Aditi Sangal, Mike Hayes and Elise Hammond |pub = CNN News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62231646.amp |title = Heatwave: Records fall as extreme heat bakes Western Europe |author = Malu Cursino |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} 9hu2h9cuik6f9lzz2mgsp1sd3ed7x46 4684434 4684430 2022-07-20T18:23:26Z Rubbish computer 1831757 General cleanup wikitext text/x-wiki {{review}} {{date|19 July,2022}} [[File:UK heatwave weather warnings July 2022.jpg|260px|thumb|left|Uk heatwave weather warnings]] The [[W:United Kingdom|UK]] experienced its highest ever temperatures on July 19, 2022 exceeding 40° Celsius (104° Fahrenheit) for the first time, during an ongoing heatwave. Temperatures reached 40.3°C (104.54°F) in Coningsby, Lincolnshire at 16:00 BST, compared to a previous national record of only 38.7°C (101.66°F). In Scotland, a new national record of 34.8°C (94.64°F) was set at Chatterhall, in the Scottish borders, also significantly higher than the previous record of 32.9°C (91.22°F). Multiple fires were burning throughout the UK on Tuesday. A red extreme heat warning, the highest level of warning, was issued for much of England, Wales and Scotland, lasting from midnight entering Monday until midnight entering Wednesday. People were advised to drink plenty of water, not go out in the midday sun and keep curtains closed to cool rooms. People were also advised not to travel unless necessary as most of the trains don't have good air conditioning. Some rail services were cancelled after tracks overheated or buckled and overhead cables failed. {{haveyoursay}} == Sources ==  *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62217282 |title = UK heatwave sees temperatures above 40C for first time |author = Jasmine Andersson & Doug Faulkner |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/europe/live-news/uk-europe-heatwave-fires-news-071922-intl-gbr/index.html |title = Heat wave scorches Europe as UK reaches record-breaking temperatures |author = Sana Noor Haq, Hafsa Khalil, Angela Dewan, Aditi Sangal, Mike Hayes and Elise Hammond |pub = CNN News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62231646.amp |title = Heatwave: Records fall as extreme heat bakes Western Europe |author = Malu Cursino |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} jdis7naj2hskyzxaquxx5hetg9g3jk2 4684435 4684434 2022-07-20T18:23:33Z Rubbish computer 1831757 added [[Category:Weather]] using [[Help:Gadget-HotCat|HotCat]] wikitext text/x-wiki {{review}} {{date|19 July,2022}} [[File:UK heatwave weather warnings July 2022.jpg|260px|thumb|left|Uk heatwave weather warnings]] The [[W:United Kingdom|UK]] experienced its highest ever temperatures on July 19, 2022 exceeding 40° Celsius (104° Fahrenheit) for the first time, during an ongoing heatwave. Temperatures reached 40.3°C (104.54°F) in Coningsby, Lincolnshire at 16:00 BST, compared to a previous national record of only 38.7°C (101.66°F). In Scotland, a new national record of 34.8°C (94.64°F) was set at Chatterhall, in the Scottish borders, also significantly higher than the previous record of 32.9°C (91.22°F). Multiple fires were burning throughout the UK on Tuesday. A red extreme heat warning, the highest level of warning, was issued for much of England, Wales and Scotland, lasting from midnight entering Monday until midnight entering Wednesday. People were advised to drink plenty of water, not go out in the midday sun and keep curtains closed to cool rooms. People were also advised not to travel unless necessary as most of the trains don't have good air conditioning. Some rail services were cancelled after tracks overheated or buckled and overhead cables failed. {{haveyoursay}} == Sources ==  *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62217282 |title = UK heatwave sees temperatures above 40C for first time |author = Jasmine Andersson & Doug Faulkner |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/europe/live-news/uk-europe-heatwave-fires-news-071922-intl-gbr/index.html |title = Heat wave scorches Europe as UK reaches record-breaking temperatures |author = Sana Noor Haq, Hafsa Khalil, Angela Dewan, Aditi Sangal, Mike Hayes and Elise Hammond |pub = CNN News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62231646.amp |title = Heatwave: Records fall as extreme heat bakes Western Europe |author = Malu Cursino |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} [[Category:Weather]] f7cqy9woqxoxxavc5cp8xgxbolwzw9b 4684436 4684435 2022-07-20T18:23:42Z Rubbish computer 1831757 added [[Category:United Kingdom]] using [[Help:Gadget-HotCat|HotCat]] wikitext text/x-wiki {{review}} {{date|19 July,2022}} [[File:UK heatwave weather warnings July 2022.jpg|260px|thumb|left|Uk heatwave weather warnings]] The [[W:United Kingdom|UK]] experienced its highest ever temperatures on July 19, 2022 exceeding 40° Celsius (104° Fahrenheit) for the first time, during an ongoing heatwave. Temperatures reached 40.3°C (104.54°F) in Coningsby, Lincolnshire at 16:00 BST, compared to a previous national record of only 38.7°C (101.66°F). In Scotland, a new national record of 34.8°C (94.64°F) was set at Chatterhall, in the Scottish borders, also significantly higher than the previous record of 32.9°C (91.22°F). Multiple fires were burning throughout the UK on Tuesday. A red extreme heat warning, the highest level of warning, was issued for much of England, Wales and Scotland, lasting from midnight entering Monday until midnight entering Wednesday. People were advised to drink plenty of water, not go out in the midday sun and keep curtains closed to cool rooms. People were also advised not to travel unless necessary as most of the trains don't have good air conditioning. Some rail services were cancelled after tracks overheated or buckled and overhead cables failed. {{haveyoursay}} == Sources ==  *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62217282 |title = UK heatwave sees temperatures above 40C for first time |author = Jasmine Andersson & Doug Faulkner |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/europe/live-news/uk-europe-heatwave-fires-news-071922-intl-gbr/index.html |title = Heat wave scorches Europe as UK reaches record-breaking temperatures |author = Sana Noor Haq, Hafsa Khalil, Angela Dewan, Aditi Sangal, Mike Hayes and Elise Hammond |pub = CNN News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62231646.amp |title = Heatwave: Records fall as extreme heat bakes Western Europe |author = Malu Cursino |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} [[Category:Weather]] [[Category:United Kingdom]] o6ppislojg9mksnsrt63qa29a51ar83 4684445 4684436 2022-07-20T20:13:21Z SVTCobra 9158 /* Sources */ redundant wikitext text/x-wiki {{review}} {{date|19 July,2022}} [[File:UK heatwave weather warnings July 2022.jpg|260px|thumb|left|Uk heatwave weather warnings]] The [[W:United Kingdom|UK]] experienced its highest ever temperatures on July 19, 2022 exceeding 40° Celsius (104° Fahrenheit) for the first time, during an ongoing heatwave. Temperatures reached 40.3°C (104.54°F) in Coningsby, Lincolnshire at 16:00 BST, compared to a previous national record of only 38.7°C (101.66°F). In Scotland, a new national record of 34.8°C (94.64°F) was set at Chatterhall, in the Scottish borders, also significantly higher than the previous record of 32.9°C (91.22°F). Multiple fires were burning throughout the UK on Tuesday. A red extreme heat warning, the highest level of warning, was issued for much of England, Wales and Scotland, lasting from midnight entering Monday until midnight entering Wednesday. People were advised to drink plenty of water, not go out in the midday sun and keep curtains closed to cool rooms. People were also advised not to travel unless necessary as most of the trains don't have good air conditioning. Some rail services were cancelled after tracks overheated or buckled and overhead cables failed. {{haveyoursay}} == Sources ==  *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62217282 |title = UK heatwave sees temperatures above 40C for first time |author = Jasmine Andersson & Doug Faulkner |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/europe/live-news/uk-europe-heatwave-fires-news-071922-intl-gbr/index.html |title = Heat wave scorches Europe as UK reaches record-breaking temperatures |author = Sana Noor Haq, Hafsa Khalil, Angela Dewan, Aditi Sangal, Mike Hayes and Elise Hammond |pub = CNN |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62231646.amp |title = Heatwave: Records fall as extreme heat bakes Western Europe |author = Malu Cursino |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} [[Category:Weather]] [[Category:United Kingdom]] lvaql9fi60q1kov8es7lwaz01zs8ch3 4684446 4684445 2022-07-20T20:30:13Z SVTCobra 9158 links wikitext text/x-wiki {{review}} {{date|19 July,2022}} [[File:UK heatwave weather warnings July 2022.jpg|260px|thumb|left|Uk heatwave weather warnings]] The [[W:United Kingdom|UK]] experienced its highest ever temperatures on July 19, 2022 exceeding 40° Celsius (104° Fahrenheit) for the first time, during an ongoing heatwave. Temperatures reached 40.3°C (104.54°F) in {{wConingsby|}}, [[Lincolnshire]] at 16:00 BST, compared to a previous national record of only 38.7°C (101.66°F). In Scotland, a new national record of 34.8°C (94.64°F) was set at Chatterhall, in the Scottish borders, also significantly higher than the previous record of 32.9°C (91.22°F). Multiple fires were burning throughout the UK on Tuesday. A red extreme heat warning, the highest level of warning, was issued for much of [[England]], [[Wales]] and [[Scotland]], lasting from midnight entering Monday until midnight entering Wednesday. People were advised to drink plenty of water, not go out in the midday sun and keep curtains closed to cool rooms. People were also advised not to travel unless necessary as most of the trains don't have good air conditioning. Some rail services were cancelled after tracks overheated or buckled and overhead cables failed. {{haveyoursay}} == Sources ==  *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62217282 |title = UK heatwave sees temperatures above 40C for first time |author = Jasmine Andersson & Doug Faulkner |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/europe/live-news/uk-europe-heatwave-fires-news-071922-intl-gbr/index.html |title = Heat wave scorches Europe as UK reaches record-breaking temperatures |author = Sana Noor Haq, Hafsa Khalil, Angela Dewan, Aditi Sangal, Mike Hayes and Elise Hammond |pub = CNN |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62231646.amp |title = Heatwave: Records fall as extreme heat bakes Western Europe |author = Malu Cursino |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} [[Category:Weather]] [[Category:United Kingdom]] emhn2px29rt77bvk0uz9wrv9yudu1or 4684447 4684446 2022-07-20T20:30:32Z SVTCobra 9158 wikitext text/x-wiki {{review}} {{date|19 July,2022}} [[File:UK heatwave weather warnings July 2022.jpg|260px|thumb|left|Uk heatwave weather warnings]] The [[W:United Kingdom|UK]] experienced its highest ever temperatures on July 19, 2022 exceeding 40° Celsius (104° Fahrenheit) for the first time, during an ongoing heatwave. Temperatures reached 40.3°C (104.54°F) in {{w|Coningsby}}, [[Lincolnshire]] at 16:00 BST, compared to a previous national record of only 38.7°C (101.66°F). In Scotland, a new national record of 34.8°C (94.64°F) was set at Chatterhall, in the Scottish borders, also significantly higher than the previous record of 32.9°C (91.22°F). Multiple fires were burning throughout the UK on Tuesday. A red extreme heat warning, the highest level of warning, was issued for much of [[England]], [[Wales]] and [[Scotland]], lasting from midnight entering Monday until midnight entering Wednesday. People were advised to drink plenty of water, not go out in the midday sun and keep curtains closed to cool rooms. People were also advised not to travel unless necessary as most of the trains don't have good air conditioning. Some rail services were cancelled after tracks overheated or buckled and overhead cables failed. {{haveyoursay}} == Sources ==  *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62217282 |title = UK heatwave sees temperatures above 40C for first time |author = Jasmine Andersson & Doug Faulkner |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/europe/live-news/uk-europe-heatwave-fires-news-071922-intl-gbr/index.html |title = Heat wave scorches Europe as UK reaches record-breaking temperatures |author = Sana Noor Haq, Hafsa Khalil, Angela Dewan, Aditi Sangal, Mike Hayes and Elise Hammond |pub = CNN |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62231646.amp |title = Heatwave: Records fall as extreme heat bakes Western Europe |author = Malu Cursino |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} [[Category:Weather]] [[Category:United Kingdom]] aomexq2tj4zv70xwfuf5g5t3cz8gwpk 4684448 4684447 2022-07-20T20:30:47Z SVTCobra 9158 added [[Category:England]] using [[Help:Gadget-HotCat|HotCat]] wikitext text/x-wiki {{review}} {{date|19 July,2022}} [[File:UK heatwave weather warnings July 2022.jpg|260px|thumb|left|Uk heatwave weather warnings]] The [[W:United Kingdom|UK]] experienced its highest ever temperatures on July 19, 2022 exceeding 40° Celsius (104° Fahrenheit) for the first time, during an ongoing heatwave. Temperatures reached 40.3°C (104.54°F) in {{w|Coningsby}}, [[Lincolnshire]] at 16:00 BST, compared to a previous national record of only 38.7°C (101.66°F). In Scotland, a new national record of 34.8°C (94.64°F) was set at Chatterhall, in the Scottish borders, also significantly higher than the previous record of 32.9°C (91.22°F). Multiple fires were burning throughout the UK on Tuesday. A red extreme heat warning, the highest level of warning, was issued for much of [[England]], [[Wales]] and [[Scotland]], lasting from midnight entering Monday until midnight entering Wednesday. People were advised to drink plenty of water, not go out in the midday sun and keep curtains closed to cool rooms. People were also advised not to travel unless necessary as most of the trains don't have good air conditioning. Some rail services were cancelled after tracks overheated or buckled and overhead cables failed. {{haveyoursay}} == Sources ==  *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62217282 |title = UK heatwave sees temperatures above 40C for first time |author = Jasmine Andersson & Doug Faulkner |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/europe/live-news/uk-europe-heatwave-fires-news-071922-intl-gbr/index.html |title = Heat wave scorches Europe as UK reaches record-breaking temperatures |author = Sana Noor Haq, Hafsa Khalil, Angela Dewan, Aditi Sangal, Mike Hayes and Elise Hammond |pub = CNN |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62231646.amp |title = Heatwave: Records fall as extreme heat bakes Western Europe |author = Malu Cursino |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} [[Category:Weather]] [[Category:United Kingdom]] [[Category:England]] 5u1sbp58lpabs0rqkz5mv5s35mgb72a 4684449 4684448 2022-07-20T20:30:56Z SVTCobra 9158 added [[Category:Lincolnshire]] using [[Help:Gadget-HotCat|HotCat]] wikitext text/x-wiki {{review}} {{date|19 July,2022}} [[File:UK heatwave weather warnings July 2022.jpg|260px|thumb|left|Uk heatwave weather warnings]] The [[W:United Kingdom|UK]] experienced its highest ever temperatures on July 19, 2022 exceeding 40° Celsius (104° Fahrenheit) for the first time, during an ongoing heatwave. Temperatures reached 40.3°C (104.54°F) in {{w|Coningsby}}, [[Lincolnshire]] at 16:00 BST, compared to a previous national record of only 38.7°C (101.66°F). In Scotland, a new national record of 34.8°C (94.64°F) was set at Chatterhall, in the Scottish borders, also significantly higher than the previous record of 32.9°C (91.22°F). Multiple fires were burning throughout the UK on Tuesday. A red extreme heat warning, the highest level of warning, was issued for much of [[England]], [[Wales]] and [[Scotland]], lasting from midnight entering Monday until midnight entering Wednesday. People were advised to drink plenty of water, not go out in the midday sun and keep curtains closed to cool rooms. People were also advised not to travel unless necessary as most of the trains don't have good air conditioning. Some rail services were cancelled after tracks overheated or buckled and overhead cables failed. {{haveyoursay}} == Sources ==  *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62217282 |title = UK heatwave sees temperatures above 40C for first time |author = Jasmine Andersson & Doug Faulkner |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/europe/live-news/uk-europe-heatwave-fires-news-071922-intl-gbr/index.html |title = Heat wave scorches Europe as UK reaches record-breaking temperatures |author = Sana Noor Haq, Hafsa Khalil, Angela Dewan, Aditi Sangal, Mike Hayes and Elise Hammond |pub = CNN |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62231646.amp |title = Heatwave: Records fall as extreme heat bakes Western Europe |author = Malu Cursino |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} [[Category:Weather]] [[Category:United Kingdom]] [[Category:England]] [[Category:Lincolnshire]] 3rl571qqrwaqa31j46xsgacmpoav53a 4684450 4684449 2022-07-20T20:31:10Z SVTCobra 9158 added [[Category:Scotland]] using [[Help:Gadget-HotCat|HotCat]] wikitext text/x-wiki {{review}} {{date|19 July,2022}} [[File:UK heatwave weather warnings July 2022.jpg|260px|thumb|left|Uk heatwave weather warnings]] The [[W:United Kingdom|UK]] experienced its highest ever temperatures on July 19, 2022 exceeding 40° Celsius (104° Fahrenheit) for the first time, during an ongoing heatwave. Temperatures reached 40.3°C (104.54°F) in {{w|Coningsby}}, [[Lincolnshire]] at 16:00 BST, compared to a previous national record of only 38.7°C (101.66°F). In Scotland, a new national record of 34.8°C (94.64°F) was set at Chatterhall, in the Scottish borders, also significantly higher than the previous record of 32.9°C (91.22°F). Multiple fires were burning throughout the UK on Tuesday. A red extreme heat warning, the highest level of warning, was issued for much of [[England]], [[Wales]] and [[Scotland]], lasting from midnight entering Monday until midnight entering Wednesday. People were advised to drink plenty of water, not go out in the midday sun and keep curtains closed to cool rooms. People were also advised not to travel unless necessary as most of the trains don't have good air conditioning. Some rail services were cancelled after tracks overheated or buckled and overhead cables failed. {{haveyoursay}} == Sources ==  *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62217282 |title = UK heatwave sees temperatures above 40C for first time |author = Jasmine Andersson & Doug Faulkner |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/europe/live-news/uk-europe-heatwave-fires-news-071922-intl-gbr/index.html |title = Heat wave scorches Europe as UK reaches record-breaking temperatures |author = Sana Noor Haq, Hafsa Khalil, Angela Dewan, Aditi Sangal, Mike Hayes and Elise Hammond |pub = CNN |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62231646.amp |title = Heatwave: Records fall as extreme heat bakes Western Europe |author = Malu Cursino |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} [[Category:Weather]] [[Category:United Kingdom]] [[Category:England]] [[Category:Lincolnshire]] [[Category:Scotland]] ce0hjsh9arz8ltwu0jbtc32d9708u5x 4684451 4684450 2022-07-20T20:31:18Z SVTCobra 9158 added [[Category:Wales]] using [[Help:Gadget-HotCat|HotCat]] wikitext text/x-wiki {{review}} {{date|19 July,2022}} [[File:UK heatwave weather warnings July 2022.jpg|260px|thumb|left|Uk heatwave weather warnings]] The [[W:United Kingdom|UK]] experienced its highest ever temperatures on July 19, 2022 exceeding 40° Celsius (104° Fahrenheit) for the first time, during an ongoing heatwave. Temperatures reached 40.3°C (104.54°F) in {{w|Coningsby}}, [[Lincolnshire]] at 16:00 BST, compared to a previous national record of only 38.7°C (101.66°F). In Scotland, a new national record of 34.8°C (94.64°F) was set at Chatterhall, in the Scottish borders, also significantly higher than the previous record of 32.9°C (91.22°F). Multiple fires were burning throughout the UK on Tuesday. A red extreme heat warning, the highest level of warning, was issued for much of [[England]], [[Wales]] and [[Scotland]], lasting from midnight entering Monday until midnight entering Wednesday. People were advised to drink plenty of water, not go out in the midday sun and keep curtains closed to cool rooms. People were also advised not to travel unless necessary as most of the trains don't have good air conditioning. Some rail services were cancelled after tracks overheated or buckled and overhead cables failed. {{haveyoursay}} == Sources ==  *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62217282 |title = UK heatwave sees temperatures above 40C for first time |author = Jasmine Andersson & Doug Faulkner |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/europe/live-news/uk-europe-heatwave-fires-news-071922-intl-gbr/index.html |title = Heat wave scorches Europe as UK reaches record-breaking temperatures |author = Sana Noor Haq, Hafsa Khalil, Angela Dewan, Aditi Sangal, Mike Hayes and Elise Hammond |pub = CNN |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62231646.amp |title = Heatwave: Records fall as extreme heat bakes Western Europe |author = Malu Cursino |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} [[Category:Weather]] [[Category:United Kingdom]] [[Category:England]] [[Category:Lincolnshire]] [[Category:Scotland]] [[Category:Wales]] ij5dzc341jutk1u987uaoxkuxax6rsa 4684455 4684451 2022-07-20T21:13:57Z SVTCobra 9158 links wikitext text/x-wiki {{review}} {{date|19 July,2022}} [[File:UK heatwave weather warnings July 2022.jpg|260px|thumb|left|Uk heatwave weather warnings]] The [[United Kingdom]] experienced its highest ever temperatures on July 19, 2022 exceeding 40° Celsius (104° Fahrenheit) for the first time, during an ongoing heatwave. Temperatures reached 40.3°C (104.54°F) in {{w|Coningsby}}, [[Lincolnshire]] at 16:00 BST, compared to a previous national record of only 38.7°C (101.66°F). In [[Scotland]], a new national record of 34.8°C (94.64°F) was set at {{w|RAF Charterhall}} in the {{w|Scottish Borders}} also significantly higher than the previous record of 32.9°C (91.22°F). Multiple fires were burning throughout the UK on Tuesday. A red extreme heat warning, the highest level of warning, was issued for much of [[England]], [[Wales]] and Scotland, lasting from midnight entering Monday until midnight entering Wednesday. People were advised to drink plenty of water, not go out in the midday sun and keep curtains closed to cool rooms. People were also advised not to travel unless necessary as most of the trains don't have good air conditioning. Some rail services were cancelled after tracks overheated or buckled and overhead cables failed. {{haveyoursay}} == Sources ==  *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62217282 |title = UK heatwave sees temperatures above 40C for first time |author = Jasmine Andersson & Doug Faulkner |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/europe/live-news/uk-europe-heatwave-fires-news-071922-intl-gbr/index.html |title = Heat wave scorches Europe as UK reaches record-breaking temperatures |author = Sana Noor Haq, Hafsa Khalil, Angela Dewan, Aditi Sangal, Mike Hayes and Elise Hammond |pub = CNN |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62231646.amp |title = Heatwave: Records fall as extreme heat bakes Western Europe |author = Malu Cursino |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} [[Category:Weather]] [[Category:United Kingdom]] [[Category:England]] [[Category:Lincolnshire]] [[Category:Scotland]] [[Category:Wales]] tsco7i21p2qabeh19xgx8h1513b4n60 4684460 4684455 2022-07-20T22:48:59Z SVTCobra 9158 proper caption wikitext text/x-wiki {{review}} {{date|19 July,2022}} [[File:UK heatwave weather warnings July 2022.jpg|260px|thumb|left|UK heat warnings for July 18 {{Image|{{w|Met Office}}}}]] The [[United Kingdom]] experienced its highest ever temperatures on July 19, 2022 exceeding 40° Celsius (104° Fahrenheit) for the first time, during an ongoing heatwave. Temperatures reached 40.3°C (104.54°F) in {{w|Coningsby}}, [[Lincolnshire]] at 16:00 BST, compared to a previous national record of only 38.7°C (101.66°F). In [[Scotland]], a new national record of 34.8°C (94.64°F) was set at {{w|RAF Charterhall}} in the {{w|Scottish Borders}} also significantly higher than the previous record of 32.9°C (91.22°F). Multiple fires were burning throughout the UK on Tuesday. A red extreme heat warning, the highest level of warning, was issued for much of [[England]], [[Wales]] and Scotland, lasting from midnight entering Monday until midnight entering Wednesday. People were advised to drink plenty of water, not go out in the midday sun and keep curtains closed to cool rooms. People were also advised not to travel unless necessary as most of the trains don't have good air conditioning. Some rail services were cancelled after tracks overheated or buckled and overhead cables failed. {{haveyoursay}} == Sources ==  *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62217282 |title = UK heatwave sees temperatures above 40C for first time |author = Jasmine Andersson & Doug Faulkner |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/europe/live-news/uk-europe-heatwave-fires-news-071922-intl-gbr/index.html |title = Heat wave scorches Europe as UK reaches record-breaking temperatures |author = Sana Noor Haq, Hafsa Khalil, Angela Dewan, Aditi Sangal, Mike Hayes and Elise Hammond |pub = CNN |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62231646.amp |title = Heatwave: Records fall as extreme heat bakes Western Europe |author = Malu Cursino |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} [[Category:Weather]] [[Category:United Kingdom]] [[Category:England]] [[Category:Lincolnshire]] [[Category:Scotland]] [[Category:Wales]] 4bq4u9gkjur141z4p1szdv46eu96zx2 4684462 4684460 2022-07-20T23:48:42Z SVTCobra 9158 sister links wikitext text/x-wiki {{review}} {{date|19 July,2022}}{{United Kingdom}} [[File:UK heatwave weather warnings July 2022.jpg|260px|thumb|left|UK heat warnings for July 18 {{Image|{{w|Met Office}}}}]] The [[United Kingdom]] experienced its highest ever temperatures on July 19, 2022 exceeding 40° Celsius (104° Fahrenheit) for the first time, during an ongoing heatwave. Temperatures reached 40.3°C (104.54°F) in {{w|Coningsby}}, [[Lincolnshire]] at 16:00 BST, compared to a previous national record of only 38.7°C (101.66°F). In [[Scotland]], a new national record of 34.8°C (94.64°F) was set at {{w|RAF Charterhall}} in the {{w|Scottish Borders}} also significantly higher than the previous record of 32.9°C (91.22°F). Multiple fires were burning throughout the UK on Tuesday. A red extreme heat warning, the highest level of warning, was issued for much of [[England]], [[Wales]] and Scotland, lasting from midnight entering Monday until midnight entering Wednesday. People were advised to drink plenty of water, not go out in the midday sun and keep curtains closed to cool rooms. People were also advised not to travel unless necessary as most of the trains don't have good air conditioning. Some rail services were cancelled after tracks overheated or buckled and overhead cables failed. {{haveyoursay}} == Sisters == {{sisters|2022 United Kingdom heat wave}} == Sources ==  *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62217282 |title = UK heatwave sees temperatures above 40C for first time |author = Jasmine Andersson & Doug Faulkner |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/europe/live-news/uk-europe-heatwave-fires-news-071922-intl-gbr/index.html |title = Heat wave scorches Europe as UK reaches record-breaking temperatures |author = Sana Noor Haq, Hafsa Khalil, Angela Dewan, Aditi Sangal, Mike Hayes and Elise Hammond |pub = CNN |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} *{{source |url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62231646.amp |title = Heatwave: Records fall as extreme heat bakes Western Europe |author = Malu Cursino |pub = BBC News |date = July 19, 2022 |archiveurl = }} [[Category:Weather]] [[Category:United Kingdom]] [[Category:England]] [[Category:Lincolnshire]] [[Category:Scotland]] [[Category:Wales]] 7sd9w4q3iitx1rez8k6wi85jxlc3lk5 User talk:ShivanshDaksh 3 2952059 4684402 2022-07-20T12:07:27Z Wikinews Welcome 183942 Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community. wikitext text/x-wiki {{Template:Welcome|realName=|name=ShivanshDaksh}} -- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 12:07, 20 July 2022 (UTC) a15y5qe5wlqzy1s3choe63gzo8k9vz6 User talk:Kaitary 3 2952060 4684404 2022-07-20T12:19:34Z Wikinews Welcome 183942 Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community. wikitext text/x-wiki {{Template:Welcome|realName=|name=Kaitary}} -- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 12:19, 20 July 2022 (UTC) 7z6yuabi7rkya5p8ao5svj2gaeic0sz User talk:Teluobir 3 2952061 4684406 2022-07-20T13:02:11Z Wikinews Welcome 183942 Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community. wikitext text/x-wiki {{Template:Welcome|realName=|name=Teluobir}} -- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 13:02, 20 July 2022 (UTC) b12fvof67vobk1qty6jw0jf805ma91f User talk:ГӀямузги 3 2952062 4684407 2022-07-20T13:15:11Z Wikinews Welcome 183942 Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community. wikitext text/x-wiki {{Template:Welcome|realName=|name=ГӀямузги}} -- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 13:15, 20 July 2022 (UTC) 9cfjscpbrrj6gt7afgfm0qf8i6ydf1c User talk:Augubreu 3 2952063 4684408 2022-07-20T13:23:18Z Wikinews Welcome 183942 Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community. wikitext text/x-wiki {{Template:Welcome|realName=|name=Augubreu}} -- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 13:23, 20 July 2022 (UTC) oe9rlzcqhhaj3fg4mcmobn0f90yth1y User talk:KEOKOTH 3 2952064 4684409 2022-07-20T14:19:01Z Wikinews Welcome 183942 Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community. wikitext text/x-wiki {{Template:Welcome|realName=|name=KEOKOTH}} -- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 14:19, 20 July 2022 (UTC) 6zy9kdysipw63kylll1kaacf2ex0m3r User talk:Λοπου 3 2952065 4684410 2022-07-20T14:40:05Z Wikinews Welcome 183942 Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community. wikitext text/x-wiki {{Template:Welcome|realName=|name=Λοπου}} -- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 14:40, 20 July 2022 (UTC) 5h7iv9dytrz8myf5ze3lsr5f70ypfqp User talk:Manuel Ferr 3 2952066 4684411 2022-07-20T14:49:52Z Wikinews Welcome 183942 Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community. wikitext text/x-wiki {{Template:Welcome|realName=|name=Manuel Ferr}} -- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 14:49, 20 July 2022 (UTC) bbsphw2r92qy1mxv5bb5brvsyw5oq26 User talk:Fqd23 3 2952067 4684412 2022-07-20T15:20:53Z Wikinews Welcome 183942 Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community. wikitext text/x-wiki {{Template:Welcome|realName=|name=Fqd23}} -- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 15:20, 20 July 2022 (UTC) nif86d57x2v43wukjo8qwx9x3uk9cy4 Talk:United Kingdom experiences record-high temperatures 1 2952068 4684413 2022-07-20T15:28:03Z JJLiu112 2780319 /* Review of revision 4684405 [Not ready] */ new section wikitext text/x-wiki == Review of revision 4684405 [Not ready] ==  {{peer_reviewed|revid=4684405|copyright=n/a|newsworthy=n/a|verifiable=n/a|npov=n/a|style=|reviewer=JJLiu112|comments=Title is too broad. Lead does not describe what this is about: Europe, or high temps in UK, or fires. Please reformat article appropriately.|time=15:28, 20 July 2022 (UTC)}} 44ojebkzktsvg4dxo4op2thxvaygmm9 4684418 4684413 2022-07-20T16:38:25Z SVTCobra 9158 /* Additional comments */ new section wikitext text/x-wiki == Review of revision 4684405 [Not ready] ==  {{peer_reviewed|revid=4684405|copyright=n/a|newsworthy=n/a|verifiable=n/a|npov=n/a|style=|reviewer=JJLiu112|comments=Title is too broad. Lead does not describe what this is about: Europe, or high temps in UK, or fires. Please reformat article appropriately.|time=15:28, 20 July 2022 (UTC)}} == Additional comments == There are no wikilinks and no categories. 1/100th of a degree Fahrenheit is far too precise. Might I suggest this [[:File:UK heatwave weather warnings July 2022.jpg]] as an image, or look for alternatives in [[:Commons:Category:July 2022 European heat wave]]. [[User:SVTCobra|'''SVT''']][[User Talk:SVTCobra|''Cobra'']] 16:38, 20 July 2022 (UTC) 7t9gfr6k77rifbbt5s4dvn987x640n8 4684428 4684418 2022-07-20T17:49:23Z Emkay2004 2846052 Emkay2004 moved page [[Talk:Heatwave in Europe]] to [[Talk:Heatwave in the United Kingdom]]: Topic was too broad wikitext text/x-wiki == Review of revision 4684405 [Not ready] ==  {{peer_reviewed|revid=4684405|copyright=n/a|newsworthy=n/a|verifiable=n/a|npov=n/a|style=|reviewer=JJLiu112|comments=Title is too broad. Lead does not describe what this is about: Europe, or high temps in UK, or fires. Please reformat article appropriately.|time=15:28, 20 July 2022 (UTC)}} == Additional comments == There are no wikilinks and no categories. 1/100th of a degree Fahrenheit is far too precise. Might I suggest this [[:File:UK heatwave weather warnings July 2022.jpg]] as an image, or look for alternatives in [[:Commons:Category:July 2022 European heat wave]]. [[User:SVTCobra|'''SVT''']][[User Talk:SVTCobra|''Cobra'']] 16:38, 20 July 2022 (UTC) 7t9gfr6k77rifbbt5s4dvn987x640n8 4684458 4684428 2022-07-20T22:08:31Z JJLiu112 2780319 /* Additional comments */ Reply wikitext text/x-wiki == Review of revision 4684405 [Not ready] ==  {{peer_reviewed|revid=4684405|copyright=n/a|newsworthy=n/a|verifiable=n/a|npov=n/a|style=|reviewer=JJLiu112|comments=Title is too broad. Lead does not describe what this is about: Europe, or high temps in UK, or fires. Please reformat article appropriately.|time=15:28, 20 July 2022 (UTC)}} == Additional comments == There are no wikilinks and no categories. 1/100th of a degree Fahrenheit is far too precise. Might I suggest this [[:File:UK heatwave weather warnings July 2022.jpg]] as an image, or look for alternatives in [[:Commons:Category:July 2022 European heat wave]]. [[User:SVTCobra|'''SVT''']][[User Talk:SVTCobra|''Cobra'']] 16:38, 20 July 2022 (UTC) :There are lots of issues I'm looking to resolve before any subsequent review (although I'm aware some reviewers may have different standards): for instance, it doesn't say when the train services were cancelled. Smaller issues too: not attributing the image; title is still unclear exactly whether it's focussing on the UK's highest temperature, or just the heatwave in general. 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