Vikipedija isvwiki https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glavna_stranica MediaWiki 1.47.0-wmf.9 first-letter Media Special Besěda Koristnik Besěda s koristnikom Vikipedija Besěda Vikipedije Fajl Besěda o fajlu MediaWiki Besěda o MediaWiki Šablon Besěda o šablonu Pomoč Besěda o pomoči Kategorija Besěda o kategoriji TimedText TimedText talk Module Module talk Event Event talk 828 44 27886 120 2026-07-02T14:18:50Z Ilja isv 10 27886 Scribunto text/plain -- Inputs: -- image - Can either be a bare filename (with or without the File:/Image: prefix) or a fully formatted image link -- page - page to display for multipage images (DjVu) -- size - size to display the image -- maxsize - maximum size for image -- sizedefault - default size to display the image if size param is blank -- alt - alt text for image -- title - title text for image -- border - set to yes if border -- center - set to yes, if the image has to be centered -- upright - upright image param -- suppressplaceholder - if yes then checks to see if image is a placeholder and suppresses it -- link - page to visit when clicking on image -- class - HTML classes to add to the image -- Outputs: -- Formatted image. -- More details available at the "Module:InfoboxImage/doc" page local i = {}; local default_size = 300; local placeholder_image = {} function i.IsPlaceholder(image) -- change underscores to spaces image = mw.ustring.gsub(image, "_", " "); assert(image ~= nil, 'mw.ustring.gsub(image, "_", " ") must not return nil') -- if image starts with [[ then remove that and anything after | if mw.ustring.sub(image,1,2) == "[[" then image = mw.ustring.sub(image,3); image = mw.ustring.gsub(image, "([^|]*)|.*", "%1"); assert(image ~= nil, 'mw.ustring.gsub(image, "([^|]*)|.*", "%1") must not return nil') end -- Trim spaces image = mw.ustring.gsub(image, '^[ ]*(.-)[ ]*$', '%1'); assert(image ~= nil, "mw.ustring.gsub(image, '^[ ]*(.-)[ ]*$', '%1') must not return nil") -- remove prefix if exists local allNames = mw.site.namespaces[6].aliases allNames[#allNames + 1] = mw.site.namespaces[6].name allNames[#allNames + 1] = mw.site.namespaces[6].canonicalName for i, name in ipairs(allNames) do if mw.ustring.lower(mw.ustring.sub(image, 1, mw.ustring.len(name) + 1)) == mw.ustring.lower(name .. ":") then image = mw.ustring.sub(image, mw.ustring.len(name) + 2); break end end -- Trim spaces image = mw.ustring.gsub(image, '^[ ]*(.-)[ ]*$', '%1'); -- capitalise first letter image = mw.ustring.upper(mw.ustring.sub(image,1,1)) .. mw.ustring.sub(image,2); for i,j in pairs(placeholder_image) do if image == j then return true end end return false end function i.InfoboxImage(frame) local image = frame.args["image"]; if image == "" or image == nil then return ""; end if image == "&nbsp;" then return image; end -- if frame.args["suppressplaceholder"] ~= "no" then -- if i.IsPlaceholder(image) == true then -- return ""; -- end -- end if mw.ustring.lower(mw.ustring.sub(image,1,5)) == "http:" then return ""; end if mw.ustring.lower(mw.ustring.sub(image,1,6)) == "[http:" then return ""; end if mw.ustring.lower(mw.ustring.sub(image,1,7)) == "[[http:" then return ""; end if mw.ustring.lower(mw.ustring.sub(image,1,6)) == "https:" then return ""; end if mw.ustring.lower(mw.ustring.sub(image,1,7)) == "[https:" then return ""; end if mw.ustring.lower(mw.ustring.sub(image,1,8)) == "[[https:" then return ""; end if mw.ustring.sub(image,1,2) == "[[" then if mw.title.getCurrentTitle().namespace == 0 and (mw.ustring.find(image, "|%s*thumb%s*[|%]]") or mw.ustring.find(image, "|%s*thumbnail%s*[|%]]")) then return image; end image, _ = mw.ustring.gsub(image, '%]%]', '|thumb]]'); return image; elseif mw.ustring.sub(image,1,2) == "{{" and mw.ustring.sub(image,1,3) ~= "{{{" then return image; elseif mw.ustring.sub(image,1,1) == "<" then return image; elseif mw.ustring.sub(image,1,5) == mw.ustring.char(127).."UNIQ" then -- Found strip marker at begining, so pass don't process at all return image; elseif mw.ustring.sub(image,4,9) == "`UNIQ-" then -- Found strip marker at begining, so pass don't process at all return image; else local result = ""; local page = frame.args["page"]; local size = frame.args["size"]; local maxsize = frame.args["maxsize"]; local sizedefault = frame.args["sizedefault"]; local alt = frame.args["alt"]; local link = frame.args["link"]; local title = frame.args["title"]; local border = frame.args["border"]; local upright = frame.args["upright"] or ""; local thumbtime = frame.args["thumbtime"] or ""; local center = frame.args["center"]; local class = frame.args["class"] or ""; -- remove prefix if exists local allNames = mw.site.namespaces[6].aliases allNames[#allNames + 1] = mw.site.namespaces[6].name allNames[#allNames + 1] = mw.site.namespaces[6].canonicalName for i, name in ipairs(allNames) do if mw.ustring.lower(mw.ustring.sub(image, 1, mw.ustring.len(name) + 1)) == mw.ustring.lower(name .. ":") then image = mw.ustring.sub(image, mw.ustring.len(name) + 2); break end end if maxsize ~= "" and maxsize ~= nil then -- if no sizedefault then set to maxsize if sizedefault == "" or sizedefault == nil then sizedefault = maxsize end -- check to see if size bigger than maxsize if size ~= "" and size ~= nil then local sizenumber = tonumber(mw.ustring.match(size,"%d*")) or 0; local maxsizenumber = tonumber(mw.ustring.match(maxsize,"%d*")) or 0; if sizenumber>maxsizenumber and maxsizenumber>0 then size = maxsize; end end end result = "[[Fajl:" .. image; if page ~= "" and page ~= nil then result = result .. "|page=" .. page; end -- if center == "yes" then -- result = result .. "|center" -- end if border == "no" then class = 'noborder ' .. class; end if class ~= "" and class ~= nil then result = result .. "|class=" .. class; end if alt ~= "" and alt ~= nil then result = result .. "|alt=" .. alt; end if link ~= "" and link ~= nil then result = result .. "|link=" .. link; end -- if border == "yes" then -- result = result .. "|border"; -- end if size ~= "" and size ~= nil then result = result .. "|upright=" .. (tonumber(size) / default_size); elseif sizedefault ~= "" and sizedefault ~= nil then result = result .. "|upright=" .. (tonumber(sizedefault) / default_size); elseif upright == "yes" then result = result .. "|upright"; elseif upright ~= "" then result = result .. "|upright=" .. upright; end if thumbtime ~= "" then result = result .. "|thumbtime=" .. thumbtime; end -- if alt value is a keyword then do not use as a description if alt == "thumbnail" or alt == "thumb" or alt == "frameless" or alt == "left" or alt == "center" or alt == "right" or alt == "upright" or alt == "border" or mw.ustring.match(alt or "", '^[0-9]*px$', 1) ~= nil then alt = nil; end -- if title ~= "" and title ~= nil then -- -- does title param contain any templatestyles? If yes then set to blank. -- if mw.ustring.match(frame:preprocess(title), 'UNIQ%-%-templatestyles', 1) ~= nil then -- title = nil; -- end -- end if title ~= "" and title ~= nil then result = result .. "|" .. title; elseif alt ~= "" and alt ~= nil then result = result .. "|" .. alt; end result = result .. "]]"; return result; end end return i; lt4bqh4owziq49oz1wlm18h604xo19c 27887 27886 2026-07-02T14:25:33Z Ilja isv 10 27887 Scribunto text/plain -- Inputs: -- image - Can either be a bare filename (with or without the File:/Image: prefix) or a fully formatted image link -- page - page to display for multipage images (DjVu) -- size - size to display the image -- maxsize - maximum size for image -- sizedefault - default size to display the image if size param is blank -- alt - alt text for image -- title - title text for image -- border - set to yes if border -- center - set to yes, if the image has to be centered -- upright - upright image param -- suppressplaceholder - if yes then checks to see if image is a placeholder and suppresses it -- link - page to visit when clicking on image -- class - HTML classes to add to the image -- Outputs: -- Formatted image. -- More details available at the "Module:InfoboxImage/doc" page local i = {} -- List of placeholder images and tracking categories stored in [[Module:InfoboxImage/data]] -- Other constants: -- the system-wide default thumbnail size (in px) local defaultThumbnailSize = 250 -- If page is not a user page, return tracking category. Else return empty. local function trackingCat(cat) local ns = mw.title.getCurrentTitle().nsText:lower() local categories = mw.loadData('Module:InfoboxImage/data').categories return (ns ~= 'user' and ns ~= 'user talk' and categories[cat]) or "" end -- Determine whether image is a placeholder function i.IsPlaceholder(image) -- change underscores to spaces image = mw.ustring.gsub(image, "_", " "); assert(image ~= nil, 'mw.ustring.gsub(image, "_", " ") must not return nil') -- if image starts with [[ then remove that and anything after | if mw.ustring.sub(image,1,2) == "[[" then image = mw.ustring.sub(image,3); image = mw.ustring.gsub(image, "([^|]*)|.*", "%1"); assert(image ~= nil, 'mw.ustring.gsub(image, "([^|]*)|.*", "%1") must not return nil') end -- Trim spaces image = mw.ustring.gsub(image, '^[ ]*(.-)[ ]*$', '%1'); assert(image ~= nil, "mw.ustring.gsub(image, '^[ ]*(.-)[ ]*$', '%1') must not return nil") -- remove prefix if exists local allNames = mw.site.namespaces[6].aliases allNames[#allNames + 1] = mw.site.namespaces[6].name allNames[#allNames + 1] = mw.site.namespaces[6].canonicalName for i, name in ipairs(allNames) do if mw.ustring.lower(mw.ustring.sub(image, 1, mw.ustring.len(name) + 1)) == mw.ustring.lower(name .. ":") then image = mw.ustring.sub(image, mw.ustring.len(name) + 2); break end end -- Trim spaces image = mw.ustring.gsub(image, '^[ ]*(.-)[ ]*$', '%1'); -- capitalise first letter image = mw.ustring.upper(mw.ustring.sub(image,1,1)) .. mw.ustring.sub(image,2); local placeholder_image = mw.loadData('Module:InfoboxImage/data').placeholder_image return placeholder_image[image] end local function isempty(x) return (not x) or x == "" end -- Main entry point function i.InfoboxImage(frame) local image = frame.args["image"]; if isempty(image) then return ""; end if image == "&nbsp;" then return image; end if frame.args["suppressplaceholder"] ~= "no" then if i.IsPlaceholder(image) == true then return ""; end end if string.find(image, "^%[*https?:") then -- Error category. return trackingCat("url_image_links") end if mw.ustring.sub(image,1,2) == "[[" then -- search for thumbnail images and add to tracking cat if found local cat = ""; if mw.title.getCurrentTitle().namespace == 0 and (mw.ustring.find(image, "|%s*thumb%s*[|%]]") or mw.ustring.find(image, "|%s*thumbnail%s*[|%]]")) then cat = trackingCat("thumbnail_images") end return image .. cat; elseif mw.ustring.sub(image,1,2) == "{{" and mw.ustring.sub(image,1,3) ~= "{{{" then return image; elseif mw.ustring.sub(image,1,1) == "<" then return image; elseif mw.ustring.sub(image,1,8) == mw.ustring.char(127).."'\"`UNIQ" then -- Found strip marker at begining, so pass don't process at all return image; else local result = ""; local page = frame.args["page"]; local upright = frame.args["upright"] or "" local size = frame.args["size"]; local maxsize = frame.args["maxsize"]; local sizedefault = frame.args["sizedefault"]; local alt = frame.args["alt"]; local link = frame.args["link"]; local title = frame.args["title"]; local border = frame.args["border"]; local thumbtime = frame.args["thumbtime"] or ""; local center = frame.args["center"]; local class = frame.args["class"]; -- remove prefix if exists local allNames = mw.site.namespaces[6].aliases allNames[#allNames + 1] = mw.site.namespaces[6].name allNames[#allNames + 1] = mw.site.namespaces[6].canonicalName for i, name in ipairs(allNames) do if mw.ustring.lower(mw.ustring.sub(image, 1, mw.ustring.len(name) + 1)) == mw.ustring.lower(name .. ":") then image = mw.ustring.sub(image, mw.ustring.len(name) + 2); break end end if not isempty(maxsize) then -- if no sizedefault nor upright, then set to maxsize if isempty(sizedefault) and isempty(upright) then sizedefault = maxsize end -- check to see if size bigger than maxsize local maxsizenumber = tonumber(mw.ustring.match(maxsize,"%d*")) or 0; if not isempty(size) then local sizenumber = tonumber(mw.ustring.match(size,"%d*")) or 0; if sizenumber > maxsizenumber and maxsizenumber > 0 then size = maxsize; end end -- check to see if upright bigger than maxsize (at default preferred size) if not isempty(upright) then local uprightnumber = tonumber(upright) or (upright == "yes" and 0.75) or 0 if uprightnumber*defaultThumbnailSize > maxsizenumber and maxsizenumber > 0 then upright = tostring(maxsizenumber/defaultThumbnailSize) end end end -- add px to size if just a number if (tonumber(size) or 0) > 0 then size = size .. "px"; end -- add px to sizedefault if just a number if (tonumber(sizedefault) or 0) > 0 then sizedefault = sizedefault .. "px"; end result = "[[File:" .. image; if not isempty(page) then result = result .. "|page=" .. page; end if not isempty(size) then result = result .. "|" .. size; elseif not isempty(sizedefault) and isempty(upright) then result = result .. "|" .. sizedefault; else result = result .. "|frameless"; end if center == "yes" then result = result .. "|center" end if not isempty(alt) then result = result .. "|alt=" .. alt; end if not isempty(link) then result = result .. "|link=" .. link; end if border == "yes" then result = result .. "|border"; end if upright == "yes" then result = result .. "|upright"; elseif upright ~= "" then result = result .. "|upright=" .. upright; end if thumbtime ~= "" then result = result .. "|thumbtime=" .. thumbtime; end if not isempty(class) then result = result .. "|class=" .. class; end -- if alt value is a keyword then do not use as a description if alt == "thumbnail" or alt == "thumb" or alt == "frameless" or alt == "left" or alt == "center" or alt == "right" or alt == "upright" or alt == "border" or mw.ustring.match(alt or "", '^[0-9]*px$', 1) ~= nil then alt = nil; end if not isempty(title) then -- does title param contain any templatestyles? If yes then set to blank. if mw.ustring.match(frame:preprocess(title), 'UNIQ%-%-templatestyles', 1) ~= nil then title = nil; end end if not isempty(title) then result = result .. "|" .. title; end result = result .. "]]"; return result; end end return i; jhks6vfk9v2iehyrc6dp50ju1s294vf 27891 27887 2026-07-02T14:32:04Z Ilja isv 10 27891 Scribunto text/plain -- Inputs: -- image - Can either be a bare filename (with or without the File:/Image: prefix) or a fully formatted image link -- page - page to display for multipage images (DjVu) -- size - size to display the image -- maxsize - maximum size for image -- sizedefault - default size to display the image if size param is blank -- alt - alt text for image -- title - title text for image -- border - set to yes if border -- center - set to yes, if the image has to be centered -- upright - upright image param -- suppressplaceholder - if yes then checks to see if image is a placeholder and suppresses it -- link - page to visit when clicking on image -- class - HTML classes to add to the image -- Outputs: -- Formatted image. -- More details available at the "Module:InfoboxImage/doc" page local i = {} -- List of placeholder images and tracking categories stored in [[Module:InfoboxImage/data]] -- Other constants: -- the system-wide default thumbnail size (in px) local defaultThumbnailSize = 250 -- If page is not a user page, return tracking category. Else return empty. local function trackingCat(cat) local ns = mw.title.getCurrentTitle().nsText:lower() local categories = mw.loadData('Module:InfoboxImage/data').categories return (ns ~= 'user' and ns ~= 'user talk' and categories[cat]) or "" end -- Determine whether image is a placeholder function i.IsPlaceholder(image) -- change underscores to spaces image = mw.ustring.gsub(image, "_", " "); assert(image ~= nil, 'mw.ustring.gsub(image, "_", " ") must not return nil') -- if image starts with [[ then remove that and anything after | if mw.ustring.sub(image,1,2) == "[[" then image = mw.ustring.sub(image,3); image = mw.ustring.gsub(image, "([^|]*)|.*", "%1"); assert(image ~= nil, 'mw.ustring.gsub(image, "([^|]*)|.*", "%1") must not return nil') end -- Trim spaces image = mw.ustring.gsub(image, '^[ ]*(.-)[ ]*$', '%1'); assert(image ~= nil, "mw.ustring.gsub(image, '^[ ]*(.-)[ ]*$', '%1') must not return nil") -- remove prefix if exists local allNames = mw.site.namespaces[6].aliases allNames[#allNames + 1] = mw.site.namespaces[6].name allNames[#allNames + 1] = mw.site.namespaces[6].canonicalName for i, name in ipairs(allNames) do if mw.ustring.lower(mw.ustring.sub(image, 1, mw.ustring.len(name) + 1)) == mw.ustring.lower(name .. ":") then image = mw.ustring.sub(image, mw.ustring.len(name) + 2); break end end -- Trim spaces image = mw.ustring.gsub(image, '^[ ]*(.-)[ ]*$', '%1'); -- capitalise first letter image = mw.ustring.upper(mw.ustring.sub(image,1,1)) .. mw.ustring.sub(image,2); local placeholder_image = mw.loadData('Module:InfoboxImage/data').placeholder_image return placeholder_image[image] end local function isempty(x) return (not x) or x == "" end -- Main entry point function i.InfoboxImage(frame) local image = frame.args["image"]; if isempty(image) then return ""; end if image == "&nbsp;" then return image; end if frame.args["suppressplaceholder"] ~= "no" then if i.IsPlaceholder(image) == true then return ""; end end if string.find(image, "^%[*https?:") then -- Error category. return trackingCat("url_image_links") end if mw.ustring.sub(image,1,2) == "[[" then -- search for thumbnail images and add to tracking cat if found local cat = ""; if mw.title.getCurrentTitle().namespace == 0 and (mw.ustring.find(image, "|%s*thumb%s*[|%]]") or mw.ustring.find(image, "|%s*thumbnail%s*[|%]]")) then cat = trackingCat("thumbnail_images") end return image .. cat; elseif mw.ustring.sub(image,1,2) == "{{" and mw.ustring.sub(image,1,3) ~= "{{{" then return image; elseif mw.ustring.sub(image,1,1) == "<" then return image; elseif mw.ustring.sub(image,1,8) == mw.ustring.char(127).."'\"`UNIQ" then -- Found strip marker at begining, so pass don't process at all return image; else local result = ""; local page = frame.args["page"]; local upright = frame.args["upright"] or "" local size = frame.args["size"]; local maxsize = frame.args["maxsize"]; local sizedefault = frame.args["sizedefault"]; local alt = frame.args["alt"]; local link = frame.args["link"]; local title = frame.args["title"]; local border = frame.args["border"]; local thumbtime = frame.args["thumbtime"] or ""; local center = frame.args["center"]; local class = frame.args["class"]; -- remove prefix if exists local allNames = mw.site.namespaces[6].aliases allNames[#allNames + 1] = mw.site.namespaces[6].name allNames[#allNames + 1] = mw.site.namespaces[6].canonicalName for i, name in ipairs(allNames) do if mw.ustring.lower(mw.ustring.sub(image, 1, mw.ustring.len(name) + 1)) == mw.ustring.lower(name .. ":") then image = mw.ustring.sub(image, mw.ustring.len(name) + 2); break end end if not isempty(maxsize) then -- if no sizedefault nor upright, then set to maxsize if isempty(sizedefault) and isempty(upright) then sizedefault = maxsize end -- check to see if size bigger than maxsize local maxsizenumber = tonumber(mw.ustring.match(maxsize,"%d*")) or 0; if not isempty(size) then local sizenumber = tonumber(mw.ustring.match(size,"%d*")) or 0; if sizenumber > maxsizenumber and maxsizenumber > 0 then size = maxsize; end end -- check to see if upright bigger than maxsize (at default preferred size) if not isempty(upright) then local uprightnumber = tonumber(upright) or (upright == "yes" and 0.75) or 0 if uprightnumber*defaultThumbnailSize > maxsizenumber and maxsizenumber > 0 then upright = tostring(maxsizenumber/defaultThumbnailSize) end end end -- add px to size if just a number if (tonumber(size) or 0) > 0 then size = size .. "px"; end -- add px to sizedefault if just a number if (tonumber(sizedefault) or 0) > 0 then sizedefault = sizedefault .. "px"; end result = "[[File:" .. image .. '|thumb|center'; if not isempty(page) then result = result .. "|page=" .. page; end if not isempty(size) then result = result .. "|" .. size; elseif not isempty(sizedefault) and isempty(upright) then result = result .. "|" .. sizedefault; else result = result .. "|frameless"; end if center == "yes" then result = result .. "|center" end if not isempty(alt) then result = result .. "|alt=" .. alt; end if not isempty(link) then result = result .. "|link=" .. link; end if border == "yes" then result = result .. "|border"; end if upright == "yes" then result = result .. "|upright"; elseif upright ~= "" then result = result .. "|upright=" .. upright; end if thumbtime ~= "" then result = result .. "|thumbtime=" .. thumbtime; end if not isempty(class) then result = result .. "|class=" .. class; end -- if alt value is a keyword then do not use as a description if alt == "thumbnail" or alt == "thumb" or alt == "frameless" or alt == "left" or alt == "center" or alt == "right" or alt == "upright" or alt == "border" or mw.ustring.match(alt or "", '^[0-9]*px$', 1) ~= nil then alt = nil; end if not isempty(title) then -- does title param contain any templatestyles? If yes then set to blank. if mw.ustring.match(frame:preprocess(title), 'UNIQ%-%-templatestyles', 1) ~= nil then title = nil; end end if not isempty(title) then result = result .. "|" .. title; end result = result .. "]]"; return result; end end return i; 60rhmbjc2eqn6yusklhu15pnsdh1edv 10 354 27919 2174 2026-07-02T20:20:10Z IJzeren Jan 9 27919 wikitext text/x-wiki <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:{{{1|}}}|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> <includeonly>[[Kategorija:Do odstranjenja]]</includeonly><noinclude> === Objasnjenje šablona === Tutym šablonom vy možete prědložiti někoju stranicu za odstranjenje, ako mnite, že ona ne povinna jest nahoditi se v medžuslovjanskoj Vikipediji.<br />Možne pričiny za odstranjenje sut napriklad: # Spam # Vandalizm # Narušenje privatnosti # Narušenje avtorskyh prav # Nonsens # Eksperimentovanje # Članok jest napisany na drugom jezyku # Prěliha kakost # Dvojna stranica === Koristanje šablona === Za uměščenje šablona, vpišite na vrhu danoj stranice: <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti}}</nowiki></code> Ako vy hočete dodati argumentaciju, vpišite: <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|<vaša argumentacija>}}</nowiki></code>, napriklad: <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Spam}}</nowiki></code>. 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[[Kategorija:Šablony]] {{INTERWIKI|Q4847311}}</noinclude> kcyodlns8oin819e2i43dc3mpep09gi 0 832 27893 5438 2026-07-02T14:36:46Z Svalbarðseyri 361 dodan infobox, dodan iztočnik, několiko prepisany tekst. 27893 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka osoba | gender = m | name = Džordž Vošington | native_name = <center>{{Jezyky|en|George Washington}}</center> | image = [[Fajl:Gilbert Stuart Williamstown Portrait of George Washington.jpg|300px|right|alt=Portret Džordža Vošingtona]] | birth_date = {{birth date|df=yes|1732|02|22}} | birth_place = Poups Krik, Virdžinija, Britanska Amerika. | death_date = {{death date and age|1799|12|14|1732|2|22}} | death_place = Gora Vernon, Virdžinija, [[SŠA]] | resting_place = Gora Vernon | party = Nezavisna | spouse = Marta Vošington, ožen. 6 januar, 1759 | alt = Portret Džordža Vošingtona | occupation = general, komandir, prvy prezident [[Sjedinjene štaty Ameriky|Sjedinjenyh štatov Ameriky]] | signature = [[Fajl:George_Washington_signature.svg|frameless]] }} '''Džordž Vošington''' ({{Jezyky|en|George Washington}}; 22 februara 1732 — 14 decembra 1799) byl<ref name="brit1">{{cite web |url=https://www.britannica.com/biography/George-Washington |title=George Washington |publisher=Encyclopedia Britannica |access-date=2 July 2026 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20260628053319/https://www.britannica.com/biography/George-Washington|archive-date=28 June 2026 |url-status=dead }}</ref> americky general i glavny komandir kolonialnoj armije podčas americkej revolucije (1775–83). On byl prvy prezident [[Sjedinjene štaty Ameriky|Sjedinjenyh štatov Ameriky]] i jest on uvažany za jednogo od otcev-osnovateljev [[Sjedinjene štaty Ameriky|SŠA]]. == Iztočniky == {{Iztočniky}} {{Sortovati|Vošington, Džordž}} [[Kategorija:Amerikanci]] [[Kategorija:Prezidenti]] {{INTERWIKI|Q23}} 5wjpvs8cb4bwvmxrm70lxh9txsf82l8 4 1052 27914 27809 2026-07-02T18:36:21Z IJzeren Jan 9 /* Alphabetical order */ 27914 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) rxgpu04k6pqfjnxge1n48m0ncii59qr 27923 27914 2026-07-02T21:15:31Z Ilja isv 10 /* Administratorstvo */ Odgovor 27923 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Gratulacije Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) 05dkzmuvx17nzydu2rvcn7wje4jt544 27924 27923 2026-07-02T21:17:53Z IJzeren Jan 9 /* Administratorstvo */ Odgovor 27924 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Gratulacije Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) 5qe2xwpomao3kqde2ysesv8yhdsc8yd 27925 27924 2026-07-02T21:19:00Z Ilja isv 10 /* Administratorstvo */ Odgovor 27925 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Gratulacije Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne práva Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalím voprěd. Jestli ne, podám stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) 115k0dbbmryo65lxhrw0hopd5xqn8ev 27926 27925 2026-07-02T21:58:05Z IJzeren Jan 9 /* Administratorstvo */ Odgovor 27926 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Gratulacije Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne práva Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalím voprěd. Jestli ne, podám stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) oasspwlic288h1p5nhufkgcttpy7mxr 27929 27926 2026-07-03T00:57:47Z Ilja isv 10 /* Administratorstvo */ Odgovor 27929 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Gratulacije Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne práva Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalím voprěd. Jestli ne, podám stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) pcw8dyn8h4asvcdxtn9qzjg111wyxwn 27932 27929 2026-07-03T08:33:13Z Ilja isv 10 /* Administratorstvo */ 27932 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne práva Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalím voprěd. Jestli ne, podám stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) qeiunsos9n700ov15rxrx1ob7ysvzgq 27933 27932 2026-07-03T08:36:25Z Ilja isv 10 /* Administratorstvo */ 27933 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) cjepemjojgkbbj9y1u7cn0x2tl1i6id 27941 27933 2026-07-03T10:48:03Z VadymTS1 172 /* Patrulovanje */ nova sekcija 27941 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Patrulovanje == Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo. Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) evxbg6wxwkc94jj4i154pj9pydyutix 0 1092 27904 8141 2026-07-02T17:21:16Z Ilja isv 10 /* */ 27904 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:DEC VT220 terminal.jpg|thumb|Kompjuterny terminal]] [[Fajl:Cargo clippy hello world example.png|thumb|Příměr Kompilatora {{-|Růst}}'a]] [[Fajl:Cassidy.1985.036.gif|thumb|LISP Programirovanje]] '''Jezyk programovanja''' jest specifičny, logičny jezyk ktory koristaje se dlja kontrolovanja kompjuterov. Priměry sut: [[Rust|{{-|Rust}}]], {{-|Python}}, {{-|Javascript}}, {{-|C}}, {{-|Haskell}}, {{-|LISP}}, {{-|Pascal}}, {{-|BASIC}}… == Historija == Uznaje se čto prvy kompjuterny program stvorila Ada Lovelace prěznačena do raboty na analityčnoj mašinu. Jezyk assemblera byl koriščeny prvy raz vo knigě avtorstva Kathleen i Andrew Donald Booth's "''Coding for A.R.C"''. Dennis MacAlistair Ritchie stvoril jezyk C a Bjarne Stroustrup izměnil jego vo C++. Linus Benedict Torvalds stvoril operacijnoj sistemu Linux. == Generacije jezykov == * 1GL - jezyki mašinove, kod binarny * 2GL - jezyk assemblera, VHDL * 3GL - jezyki vysokogo uravnja C, C++, Java, Python * 4GL - jezyki vysokogo uravnja SQL, Matlab * 5GL - jezyki koristajuče AI Prolog, Lisp, Mercury == Pamet == * Trvala pamet (ang. non-volatile memory, NVM) * NVRAM (ang. non-volatile random access memory) * Netrvala pamet (ang. volatile memory) * SRAM (ang. static random access memory) * DRAM (ang. dynamic random access memory) == Optimalizacija == * Realny čas sdělanja kakogo-libo programa zavisi od različnyh faktorov: * Opozdnjenje (ang. latency) – čas potrěbny na vypolnjenje operaciji. * Propustovost (ang. throughput) – kolikost operacij dělanyh vo jedinicy času. * Vzory dostupu k pameti * Velikost prětvarjanyh danyh * Arhitektura pameti keš * Namontovane moduly pameti * Migracija procesov === Pravilo Pareta (80/20) === Statistično 80% resursov je svezanyh s 20% slučajov, a 20% linij kodu zajmaje 80% času odpravjenja. === Pravilo Amdahla === Uskorjenje prětvarjanja procesu je ograničene prěz čest algoritma, ktori ne možno dělati jedinočasno s inymi čestjami hvala uveličanju sbornikov danyh. Perspektiva uskorjenja jedinogo zadanja. === Pravilo Gustafsona-Barsisa === Nezaležno od sbornikov danyh različne punkty vo kodu mogut stati se vuzkimi grlami. Perspektiva lěpšogo užitja resursov vo někakom času. == Žrla == * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programming_language * Wykłady Profesora Tadeusza Tomczaka z Politechniki Wrocławskiej [[Kategorija:Jezyky programovanja| ]] [[Kategorija:Kompjutery]] [[Kategorija:Umětne jezyky]] {{INTERWIKI|Q9143}} tq5re6spaskiewgurob8sczwpqs7apu 0 1227 27910 9558 2026-07-02T17:38:53Z Ilja isv 10 /* */ 27910 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Ladislav Podmele''' ({{Jezyky|cs|Ladislav Podmele}}; 1920–2000), znany pod psevdonimom '''Jiri Karen''' ({{Jezyky|cs|Jiří Karen}}), byl [[Češsky jezyk|češsky]] i [[Esperanto|esperantsky]] pisatelj, jedin iz tvoriteljev [[Umětny jezyk|umětnogo jezyka]] ''mežduslavjanski jezik''. Považeny člen Češskoj asociacije esperanta. Podmele urodil se 11 junija 1920 goda v [[Litomysl]]u, [[Čehoslovakija]]. Pracoval kako pomočnik knigača, i v 20 lět počel učiti se v gimnaziumu v [[Hradec Kralove|Hradcu Kralovem]]. Prěrval svoje studije v času [[Druga světova vojna|Drugoj světovoj vojny]], pozdněje stal izslany v Němciju na prinudženu pracu. Po vojně zakončil studije v historiji i filozofiji v Universitetu Karlovom v [[Praga|Pragě]]. Pracoval kako učitelj v zavodnoj školě v Ustjah nad Labem i Kladnu. Od 1954 goda on učil metodiku v učiteljskom institutu, a od 1961 goda rabotal v institutu v Pragě. Od 1954 do 1958 goda Podmele rabotal s redom inyh jezykotvoriteljev nad projektom [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk|medžuslovjanskogo jezyka]] pod imenem ''mežduslavjanski jezik''. Jezyk koristal gramatične i leksikalne osoblivosti raznyh slovjanskyh jezykov, glavno [[Russky jezyk|russkogo]] i češskogo, i byl naturalističnym [[Planovy jezyk|planovym jezykom]]. Oni stvorili gramatiku (''{{-|Kratka grammatika mežduslavjanskego jezika}}''), spis slov medžuslovjansky-esperanto, slovnik, kurs jezyka i učebnik. Hot ničto iz togo ne bylo opublikovano, projekt polučil uvagu od jezykoznavcev raznyh krajev.<ref>А. Д. Дуличенко, ''Международные вспомогательные языки''. Tallinn, 1990, pp. 301–302.</ref><ref>{{-|Věra Barandovská-Frank, "Panslawische Variationen". Cyril Brosch & Sabine Fiedler (eds.), ''Florilegium Interlinguisticum. Festschrift für Detlev Blanke zum 70. Geburtstag''. Frankfurt am Main, 2011, s. 220–223.}}</ref> Priklad teksta iz jego rukopisa ''Revolucija v istoriji interlingvistiki'': <blockquote>{{-|Do tego času bila aktivnost za meždunarodni jezik osnovana na principach utopizma, jež ždal si jedinego jezika za ves mir bez vzgleda na fakt, čto taki jezik ne može bit v nikakim pripadu rezultatem realnego razvoja jezikov živich, čto on bude vsegda tolika ''vidumana'', spekulativna ''konstrukcija''.<ref>Věra Barandovská-Frank, "Lingvopolitiko kaj interslavismo de Ladislav Podmele". ''Grundlagenstudien aus Kybernetik und Geisteswissenschaft'', nr. 54:4, dekembr 2013 g. (Akademia Libroservo, ISSN 0723-4899), s. 179.</ref>}}</blockquote> 4 srdečnyh napada prinudili jego prěrvati svoju karieru i poslě on zajmal se jedino poezijeju. Umrěl 30 aprilja 2000 goda v Pragě, [[Čehija]]. Jego ime imaje park v městnosti Pragy Trěbešin. == Iztočniky == <references /> == Vněšnje linky == {{Prěvod|pl|Ladislav Podmele|revizija=68563047}} {{Prěvod|en|Pan-Slavic language|revizija=1152809175}} {{Sortovati|Podmele, Ladislav}} [[Kategorija:Pisatelji]] [[Kategorija:Jezykotvoritelji]] [[Kategorija:Ljudi svezani s medžuslovjanskym jezykom]] [[Kategorija:Čehi]] {{INTERWIKI|Q3509945}} 10xhwtyzaz5dnqg4o6u61ovamcfrcjy 27911 27910 2026-07-02T17:40:04Z Ilja isv 10 /* */ 27911 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Ladislav Podmele''' ({{Jezyky|cs|Ladislav Podmele}}; 1920–2000), znany pod psevdonimom '''Jiri Karen''' ({{Jezyky|cs|Jiří Karen}}), byl [[Češsky jezyk|češsky]] i [[Esperanto|esperantsky]] pisatelj, jedin iz tvoriteljev [[Umětny jezyk|umětnogo jezyka]] ''mežduslavjanski jezik''. Považeny člen Češskoj asociacije esperanta. Podmele urodil se 11 junija 1920 goda v [[Litomysl]]u, [[Čehoslovakija]]. Pracoval kako pomočnik knigača, i v 20 lět počel učiti se v gimnaziumu v [[Hradec Kralove|Hradcu Kralovem]]. Prěrval svoje studije v času [[Druga světova vojna|Drugoj světovoj vojny]], pozdněje stal izslany v Němciju na prinudženu pracu. Po vojně zakončil studije v historiji i filozofiji v Universitetu Karlovom v [[Praga|Pragě]]. Pracoval kako učitelj v zavodnoj školě v Ustjah nad Labem i Kladnu. Od 1954 goda on učil metodiku v učiteljskom institutu, a od 1961 goda rabotal v institutu v Pragě. Od 1954 do 1958 goda Podmele rabotal s redom inyh jezykotvoriteljev nad projektom [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk|medžuslovjanskogo jezyka]] pod imenem ''mežduslavjanski jezik''. Jezyk koristal gramatične i leksikalne osoblivosti raznyh slovjanskyh jezykov, glavno [[Russky jezyk|russkogo]] i češskogo, i byl naturalističnym [[Planovy jezyk|planovym jezykom]]. Oni stvorili gramatiku (''{{-|Kratka grammatika mežduslavjanskego jezika}}''), spis slov medžuslovjansky-esperanto, slovnik, kurs jezyka i učebnik. Hot ničto iz togo ne bylo opublikovano, projekt polučil uvagu od jezykoznavcev raznyh krajev.<ref>А. Д. Дуличенко, ''Международные вспомогательные языки''. Tallinn, 1990, pp. 301–302.</ref><ref>{{-|Věra Barandovská-Frank, "Panslawische Variationen". Cyril Brosch & Sabine Fiedler (eds.), ''Florilegium Interlinguisticum. Festschrift für Detlev Blanke zum 70. Geburtstag''. Frankfurt am Main, 2011, s. 220–223.}}</ref> Priklad teksta iz jego rukopisa ''Revolucija v istoriji interlingvistiki'': <blockquote>{{-|Do tego času bila aktivnost za meždunarodni jezik osnovana na principach utopizma, jež ždal si jedinego jezika za ves mir bez vzgleda na fakt, čto taki jezik ne može bit v nikakim pripadu rezultatem realnego razvoja jezikov živich, čto on bude vsegda tolika ''vidumana'', spekulativna ''konstrukcija''.<ref>{{-|Věra Barandovská-Frank, "Lingvopolitiko kaj interslavismo de Ladislav Podmele". ''Grundlagenstudien aus Kybernetik und Geisteswissenschaft'', nr. 54:4, dekembr 2013 g. (Akademia Libroservo, ISSN 0723-4899), s. 179.}}</ref>}}</blockquote> 4 srdečnyh napada prinudili jego prěrvati svoju karieru i poslě on zajmal se jedino poezijeju. Umrěl 30 aprilja 2000 goda v Pragě, [[Čehija]]. Jego ime imaje park v městnosti Pragy Trěbešin. == Iztočniky == <references /> == Vněšnje linky == {{Prěvod|pl|Ladislav Podmele|revizija=68563047}} {{Prěvod|en|Pan-Slavic language|revizija=1152809175}} {{Sortovati|Podmele, Ladislav}} [[Kategorija:Pisatelji]] [[Kategorija:Jezykotvoritelji]] [[Kategorija:Ljudi svezani s medžuslovjanskym jezykom]] [[Kategorija:Čehi]] {{INTERWIKI|Q3509945}} 6izp74v3hufb5m83ft3mpuq070qcx8p 27912 27911 2026-07-02T17:40:42Z Ilja isv 10 /* */ 27912 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Ladislav Podmele''' ({{Jezyky|cs|Ladislav Podmele}}; 1920–2000), znany pod psevdonimom '''Jiri Karen''' ({{Jezyky|cs|Jiří Karen}}), byl [[Češsky jezyk|češsky]] i [[Esperanto|esperantsky]] pisatelj, jedin iz tvoriteljev [[Umětny jezyk|umětnogo jezyka]] ''mežduslavjanski jezik''. Považeny člen Češskoj asociacije esperanta. Podmele urodil se 11 junija 1920 goda v [[Litomysl]]u, [[Čehoslovakija]]. Pracoval kako pomočnik knigača, i v 20 lět počel učiti se v gimnaziumu v [[Hradec Kralove|Hradcu Kralovem]]. Prěrval svoje studije v času [[Druga světova vojna|Drugoj světovoj vojny]], pozdněje stal izslany v Němciju na prinudženu pracu. Po vojně zakončil studije v historiji i filozofiji v Universitetu Karlovom v [[Praga|Pragě]]. Pracoval kako učitelj v zavodnoj školě v Ustjah nad Labem i Kladnu. Od 1954 goda on učil metodiku v učiteljskom institutu, a od 1961 goda rabotal v institutu v Pragě. Od 1954 do 1958 goda Podmele rabotal s redom inyh jezykotvoriteljev nad projektom [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk|medžuslovjanskogo jezyka]] pod imenem ''mežduslavjanski jezik''. Jezyk koristal gramatične i leksikalne osoblivosti raznyh slovjanskyh jezykov, glavno [[Russky jezyk|russkogo]] i češskogo, i byl naturalističnym [[Planovy jezyk|planovym jezykom]]. Oni stvorili gramatiku (''{{-|Kratka grammatika mežduslavjanskego jezika}}''), spis slov medžuslovjansky-esperanto, slovnik, kurs jezyka i učebnik. Hot ničto iz togo ne bylo opublikovano, projekt polučil uvagu od jezykoznavcev raznyh krajev.<ref>А. Д. Дуличенко, ''Международные вспомогательные языки''. Tallinn, 1990, s. 301–302.</ref><ref>{{-|Věra Barandovská-Frank, "Panslawische Variationen". Cyril Brosch & Sabine Fiedler (eds.), ''Florilegium Interlinguisticum. Festschrift für Detlev Blanke zum 70. Geburtstag''. Frankfurt am Main, 2011, s. 220–223.}}</ref> Priklad teksta iz jego rukopisa ''Revolucija v istoriji interlingvistiki'': <blockquote>{{-|Do tego času bila aktivnost za meždunarodni jezik osnovana na principach utopizma, jež ždal si jedinego jezika za ves mir bez vzgleda na fakt, čto taki jezik ne može bit v nikakim pripadu rezultatem realnego razvoja jezikov živich, čto on bude vsegda tolika ''vidumana'', spekulativna ''konstrukcija''.<ref>{{-|Věra Barandovská-Frank, "Lingvopolitiko kaj interslavismo de Ladislav Podmele". ''Grundlagenstudien aus Kybernetik und Geisteswissenschaft'', nr. 54:4, dekembr 2013 g. (Akademia Libroservo, ISSN 0723-4899), s. 179.}}</ref>}}</blockquote> 4 srdečnyh napada prinudili jego prěrvati svoju karieru i poslě on zajmal se jedino poezijeju. Umrěl 30 aprilja 2000 goda v Pragě, [[Čehija]]. Jego ime imaje park v městnosti Pragy Trěbešin. == Iztočniky == <references /> == Vněšnje linky == {{Prěvod|pl|Ladislav Podmele|revizija=68563047}} {{Prěvod|en|Pan-Slavic language|revizija=1152809175}} {{Sortovati|Podmele, Ladislav}} [[Kategorija:Pisatelji]] [[Kategorija:Jezykotvoritelji]] [[Kategorija:Ljudi svezani s medžuslovjanskym jezykom]] [[Kategorija:Čehi]] {{INTERWIKI|Q3509945}} 0a2i0m34jme7wndvzngmybrhbckzhrd 0 1326 27927 27434 2026-07-02T23:10:30Z IJzeren Jan 9 /* Iztočniky */ 27927 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Wikipedia-logo-v2-isv.svg | right | thumb | 250px]] '''Vikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jezyku''', krače '''medžuslovjanska Vikipedija''', jest izdan​je [[Vikipedija|Vikipedije]] na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk|medžuslovjanskom jezyku]]. Ona byla stvorjena 24 junija 2026 g., a tutčas sodrživaje {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} stranic. == Historija == === Ranějše viki === Medžuslovjansky jezyk povstal v lětah 2011–2017 na osnově treh starějših projektov ''slovjanski'' (2006), ''slovioski'' (2009) i ''novoslověnsky'' (2010). Uže v eksperimentalnoj fazě, v 2007 g., narodila se ideja enciklopedije po modelu Vikipedije na jezyku slovjanski. V juniju onogo goda prva viki ('''{{-|slp.wikia.com}}''') byla založena Gabrielom Svobodoju na bezplatnoj platformě {{-|''[[Wikia]]''}} za jegovu versiju slovjanskogo bez padežev, ''{{-|slovianski-P}}''.<ref>{{Cite web | url = http://slp.wikia.com/wiki/Glovna_stronica_/_Гловна_строница | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20070707080930/http://slp.wikia.com/wiki/Glovna_stronica_/_Гловна_строница | archive-date = 2007-07-07 | title = Slovianska Viki – Glovna stronica / Гловна строница | website = slp.wikia.com}}</ref> V tutoj viki byl napisany najstarějši članok nyněšnjej medžuslovjanskoj vikipedije: [[Marko Polo]]. V 2011 g. ona sodrživala 24 članky.<ref>{{Cite web | url = http://slp.wikia.com/wiki/Glovna_stronica_/_Гловна_строница | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20110827105803/http://slp.wikia.com/wiki/Glovna_stronica_/_%D0%93%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0 | archive-date = 2011-08-27 | title = Slovianska Viki – Glovna stronica / Гловна строница | website = slp.wikia.com}}</ref> V avgustu 2007 g. pojavila se kopija na platformě {{-|'''editthis.info/slp'''}}, ktora nikogda ne byla aktivna, ale v protivnosti k drugym starějšim medžuslovjanskym viki jestvuje dodnes i shranili se v njej někoje prvonačelne članky napisane na {{-|''slovianski-P''}}.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://editthis.info/slp/Special:AllPages | title = All pages | website = editthisinfo.slp | access-date = 2025-05-31}}</ref> V dekembru 2009 g. občina projekta slovianski rěšila, že zaměsto eksperimentalnyh versij ''{{-|slovianski-N}}'' i ''{{-|slovianski-P}}'' naturalistična versija bude oficialna. V tomže měsecu [[Jan van Steenbergen]] založil novu viki '''{{-|slovianski.wikia.com}}''', vključajuči v nju takože članky iz prědhodnoj viki na slovianski-P.<ref>{{Cite web | url = http://slovianski.wikia.com:80/wiki/Glavna_stranica/Главна_страница | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20120126011249/http://slovianski.wikia.com:80/wiki/Glavna_stranica/Главна_страница | archive-date = 2012-01-26 | title = Slovianska Wiki: Glavna stranica/Главна страница | website = slovianski.wikia.com}}</ref> Kogda tuta viki byla zatvorjena v januari 2013 g., ona iměla 122 člankov. Susědny projekt ''{{-|slovioski}}'', ktory prvopočetno iměl stati ulěpšenoju formoju jezyka ''[[slovio]]'', započel v 2009 g. vlastnu viki na '''{{-|slovioski.wikia.org}}'''. Iměla 28 člankov, někoje srěd njih byli pozdněje importovane v medžuslovjansku viki.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://slovioski.wikia.com/wiki/Slavic_Wiki | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20120719162633/http://slovioski.wikia.com:80/wiki/Slavic_Wiki | archive-date = 2012-07-19 | title = Slavic Wiki | website = slovioski.wikia.com}}</ref> Kromě togo, za rabotu nad leksikonom byla založena oddělna viki, '''{{-|slovknig.wikia.com}}'''.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://slovknig.fandom.com/ | title = Slovknig Wiki | access-date = 2025-05-31}}</ref> Poslě zatvorjen​ja medžuslovjanskoj viki na ''{{-|Wikia}}'', jej sodržan​je blukalo po raznyh platformah: najprvo {{-|'''isv.wikinet.org'''}} od januara 2013 g.,<ref>{{Cite web | url = http://isv.wikinet.org:80/wiki/Glavna_stranica | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20140530033522/http://isv.wikinet.org:80/wiki/Glavna_stranica | archive-date = 2014-05-30 | title = Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija: Glavna stranica | website = isv.wikinet.org}}</ref>, a potom {{-|'''isv.orain.org'''}} od oktobra 2014 g. Obě platformy iměli seriozne problemy s bezpečnostju i stabilnostju, a v septembru 2015 g. server {{-|''Orain''}} upadl na amen.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Miraheze_history | title = Miraheze history | website = meta.miraheze.org | access-date = 2025-05-31}}</ref> Toliko v maju 2017 g. koristnik [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Lev Lev] založil novu viki pod nazvoju ''Medžuviki'' s domenom '''{{-|isv.miraheze.org}}'''. V aprilju 2024 g., kratko prěd otvorjen​jem medžuslovjanskoj vikipedije v Inkubatoru, ona iměla 457 člankov.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Medžuviki:Glavna_stranica | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20240417035100/https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Medžuviki:Glavna_stranica | archive-date = 2024-04-17 | title = Medžuviki. Svobodna enciklopedija | website = isv.miraheze.org}}</ref> V 2018 v tutu viki takože bylo prěneseno sodržan​je [[Vikisbornik]]a (kolekcije medžuslovjanskyh tekstov), založenogo v 2016 g. na domenu '''{{-|medzuslovjanski-vikisbornik-interslavic.wikia.com}}'''. === Inkubator === V aprilju 2024 g. medžuslovjanskomu jezyku byl priznany kod {{-|[[ISO 639-3]] '''isv'''}}.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://iso639-3.sil.org/code/isv | title = isv |publisher = SIL International: ISO 639-3 |date = 2024-04-03 | access-date = 2024-04-23}}</ref> To označalo, že bylo izpolnjeno važno uslovje za stvorjen​je istinnoj vikipedije na medžuslovjanskom. 8. maja koristnik {{-|[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]]}} sdělal formalno podan​je na Meta-Wiki<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Interslavic&oldid=26740197 | title = Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic | access-date = 2025-05-31 | website = meta.wikimedia.org}}</ref> i v tojže denj založil takože testnu viki v [[Wikimedia-Inkubator]]u.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/isv | title = Interslavic Vikipedija | access-date = 2025-06-01 | website = incubator.wikimedia.org}}</ref> V tečen​ju prvyh měsecev bylo v njim malo aktivnosti, ibo vsa aktivnost ješče odbyvala se v ''Medžuviki'', kde byl interfejs na medžuslovjanskom i dobro funkcionujuči transliterator. Toliko v avgustu, kogda cěly interfejs byl ponovno prěveden na medžuslovjansky i translitator iz Medžuviki byl prěnesen, viki v inkubatoru načela se razkručati. Večinstvo člankov iz Medžuviki bylo ručno prěnesenyh, a načeli se takože pojavjati nove članky. 29. maja 2025 byl napisan tysečny članok (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjen​ja).<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://isv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vikipedija%3AKr%C4%8Dma&diff=7388&oldid=7387 | title = Tyseč člankov! | website = incubator.wikimedia.org | date = 2025-05-30}}</ref> 31. oktobra 2024 g. Jezyčny komitet ({{-|''LangCom''}}) postanovila, že projekt medžuslovjanskoj vikipedije jest {{Lang|en|eligible}}, čto znači, že poddomen može byti stvorjen pod uslovjem, že sut aktivna občina i prěvedeny interfejs.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages%2FWikipedia_Interslavic&diff=27682885&oldid=27682810 | title = Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic | date = 2024-10-30}}</ref> 23 junija 2026 projekt byl odobrjeny jezyčnym komitetom,<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages%2FWikipedia_Interslavic&diff=30724004&oldid=30662278 | title = Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic | date = 2026-06-23}}</ref>, a uže v slědujuči denj medžuslovjanska vikipedija byla stvorjena. V dnju prěhoda s inkubatora na vlastny poddomen (24 junija 2026) medžuslovjanska Vikipedija iměla:<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/isv&wiki=incubatorwiki | title = Catanalysis | website = meta.toolforge.org | access-date = 2026-06-24}}</ref> * 4419 stranic (vključno s kategorijami, šablonami, prěnapravjen​jami i besědnymi stranicami) * 2968 stranic v glavnom imennom prostoru: 1528 člankov i 1440 prěnapravjenij. * 175 redaktorov (iz ktoryh 49 iměli veče neželi 100 pravok) * 23511 pravok. Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane [[Latinica|latiniceju]], okolo 1/3 [[Kirilica|kiriliceju]]. == Iztočniky == {{Iztočniky}} [[Kategorija:Vikipedija]] [[Kategorija:Medžuslovjansky]] {{INTERWIKI|Q140402376}} im24a2mbttqonkd2karj18c3vo3pj0x 27928 27927 2026-07-02T23:25:40Z IJzeren Jan 9 /* Inkubator */ 27928 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Wikipedia-logo-v2-isv.svg | right | thumb | 250px]] '''Vikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jezyku''', krače '''medžuslovjanska Vikipedija''', jest izdan​je [[Vikipedija|Vikipedije]] na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk|medžuslovjanskom jezyku]]. Ona byla stvorjena 24 junija 2026 g., a tutčas sodrživaje {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} stranic. == Historija == === Ranějše viki === Medžuslovjansky jezyk povstal v lětah 2011–2017 na osnově treh starějših projektov ''slovjanski'' (2006), ''slovioski'' (2009) i ''novoslověnsky'' (2010). Uže v eksperimentalnoj fazě, v 2007 g., narodila se ideja enciklopedije po modelu Vikipedije na jezyku slovjanski. V juniju onogo goda prva viki ('''{{-|slp.wikia.com}}''') byla založena Gabrielom Svobodoju na bezplatnoj platformě {{-|''[[Wikia]]''}} za jegovu versiju slovjanskogo bez padežev, ''{{-|slovianski-P}}''.<ref>{{Cite web | url = http://slp.wikia.com/wiki/Glovna_stronica_/_Гловна_строница | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20070707080930/http://slp.wikia.com/wiki/Glovna_stronica_/_Гловна_строница | archive-date = 2007-07-07 | title = Slovianska Viki – Glovna stronica / Гловна строница | website = slp.wikia.com}}</ref> V tutoj viki byl napisany najstarějši članok nyněšnjej medžuslovjanskoj vikipedije: [[Marko Polo]]. V 2011 g. ona sodrživala 24 članky.<ref>{{Cite web | url = http://slp.wikia.com/wiki/Glovna_stronica_/_Гловна_строница | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20110827105803/http://slp.wikia.com/wiki/Glovna_stronica_/_%D0%93%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0 | archive-date = 2011-08-27 | title = Slovianska Viki – Glovna stronica / Гловна строница | website = slp.wikia.com}}</ref> V avgustu 2007 g. pojavila se kopija na platformě {{-|'''editthis.info/slp'''}}, ktora nikogda ne byla aktivna, ale v protivnosti k drugym starějšim medžuslovjanskym viki jestvuje dodnes i shranili se v njej někoje prvonačelne članky napisane na {{-|''slovianski-P''}}.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://editthis.info/slp/Special:AllPages | title = All pages | website = editthisinfo.slp | access-date = 2025-05-31}}</ref> V dekembru 2009 g. občina projekta slovianski rěšila, že zaměsto eksperimentalnyh versij ''{{-|slovianski-N}}'' i ''{{-|slovianski-P}}'' naturalistična versija bude oficialna. V tomže měsecu [[Jan van Steenbergen]] založil novu viki '''{{-|slovianski.wikia.com}}''', vključajuči v nju takože članky iz prědhodnoj viki na slovianski-P.<ref>{{Cite web | url = http://slovianski.wikia.com:80/wiki/Glavna_stranica/Главна_страница | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20120126011249/http://slovianski.wikia.com:80/wiki/Glavna_stranica/Главна_страница | archive-date = 2012-01-26 | title = Slovianska Wiki: Glavna stranica/Главна страница | website = slovianski.wikia.com}}</ref> Kogda tuta viki byla zatvorjena v januari 2013 g., ona iměla 122 člankov. Susědny projekt ''{{-|slovioski}}'', ktory prvopočetno iměl stati ulěpšenoju formoju jezyka ''[[slovio]]'', započel v 2009 g. vlastnu viki na '''{{-|slovioski.wikia.org}}'''. Iměla 28 člankov, někoje srěd njih byli pozdněje importovane v medžuslovjansku viki.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://slovioski.wikia.com/wiki/Slavic_Wiki | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20120719162633/http://slovioski.wikia.com:80/wiki/Slavic_Wiki | archive-date = 2012-07-19 | title = Slavic Wiki | website = slovioski.wikia.com}}</ref> Kromě togo, za rabotu nad leksikonom byla založena oddělna viki, '''{{-|slovknig.wikia.com}}'''.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://slovknig.fandom.com/ | title = Slovknig Wiki | access-date = 2025-05-31}}</ref> Poslě zatvorjen​ja medžuslovjanskoj viki na ''{{-|Wikia}}'', jej sodržan​je blukalo po raznyh platformah: najprvo {{-|'''isv.wikinet.org'''}} od januara 2013 g.,<ref>{{Cite web | url = http://isv.wikinet.org:80/wiki/Glavna_stranica | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20140530033522/http://isv.wikinet.org:80/wiki/Glavna_stranica | archive-date = 2014-05-30 | title = Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija: Glavna stranica | website = isv.wikinet.org}}</ref>, a potom {{-|'''isv.orain.org'''}} od oktobra 2014 g. Obě platformy iměli seriozne problemy s bezpečnostju i stabilnostju, a v septembru 2015 g. server {{-|''Orain''}} upadl na amen.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Miraheze_history | title = Miraheze history | website = meta.miraheze.org | access-date = 2025-05-31}}</ref> Toliko v maju 2017 g. koristnik [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Lev Lev] založil novu viki pod nazvoju ''Medžuviki'' s domenom '''{{-|isv.miraheze.org}}'''. V aprilju 2024 g., kratko prěd otvorjen​jem medžuslovjanskoj vikipedije v Inkubatoru, ona iměla 457 člankov.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Medžuviki:Glavna_stranica | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20240417035100/https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Medžuviki:Glavna_stranica | archive-date = 2024-04-17 | title = Medžuviki. Svobodna enciklopedija | website = isv.miraheze.org}}</ref> V 2018 v tutu viki takože bylo prěneseno sodržan​je [[Vikisbornik]]a (kolekcije medžuslovjanskyh tekstov), založenogo v 2016 g. na domenu '''{{-|medzuslovjanski-vikisbornik-interslavic.wikia.com}}'''. === Inkubator === V aprilju 2024 g. medžuslovjanskomu jezyku byl priznany kod {{-|[[ISO 639-3]] '''isv'''}}.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://iso639-3.sil.org/code/isv | title = isv |publisher = SIL International: ISO 639-3 |date = 2024-04-03 | access-date = 2024-04-23}}</ref> To označalo, že bylo izpolnjeno važno uslovje za stvorjen​je istinnoj vikipedije na medžuslovjanskom. 8. maja koristnik {{-|[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]]}} sdělal formalno podan​je na Meta-Wiki<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Interslavic&oldid=26740197 | title = Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic | access-date = 2025-05-31 | website = meta.wikimedia.org}}</ref> i v tojže denj založil takože testnu viki v [[Wikimedia-Inkubator]]u.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/isv | title = Interslavic Vikipedija | access-date = 2025-06-01 | website = incubator.wikimedia.org}}</ref> V tečen​ju prvyh měsecev bylo v njim malo aktivnosti, ibo vsa aktivnost ješče odbyvala se v ''Medžuviki'', kde byl interfejs na medžuslovjanskom i dobro funkcionujuči transliterator. Toliko v avgustu, kogda cěly interfejs byl ponovno prěveden na medžuslovjansky i translitator iz Medžuviki byl prěnesen, viki v inkubatoru načela se razkručati. Večinstvo člankov iz Medžuviki bylo ručno prěnesenyh, a načeli se takože pojavjati nove članky. 29. maja 2025 byl napisan tysečny članok (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjen​ja).<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://isv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vikipedija%3AKr%C4%8Dma&diff=7388&oldid=7387 | title = Tyseč člankov! | website = incubator.wikimedia.org | date = 2025-05-30}}</ref> 31. oktobra 2024 g. Jezyčny komitet ({{-|''LangCom''}}) postanovila, že projekt medžuslovjanskoj vikipedije jest {{Lang|en|eligible}}, čto znači, že poddomen može byti stvorjen pod uslovjem, že sut aktivna občina i prěvedeny interfejs.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages%2FWikipedia_Interslavic&diff=27682885&oldid=27682810 | title = Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic | date = 2024-10-30}}</ref> 23 junija 2026 projekt byl odobrjeny jezyčnym komitetom,<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages%2FWikipedia_Interslavic&diff=30724004&oldid=30662278 | title = Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic | date = 2026-06-23}}</ref>, a uže v tojže sam denj medžuslovjanska vikipedija byla stvorjena. V dnju prěhoda s inkubatora na vlastny poddomen (23 junija 2026) medžuslovjanska Vikipedija iměla:<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/isv&wiki=incubatorwiki | title = Catanalysis | website = meta.toolforge.org | access-date = 2026-06-24}}</ref> * 4419 stranic (vključno s kategorijami, šablonami, prěnapravjen​jami i besědnymi stranicami) * 2968 stranic v glavnom imennom prostoru: 1528 člankov i 1440 prěnapravjenij. * 175 redaktorov (iz ktoryh 49 iměli veče neželi 100 pravok) * 23511 pravok. Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane [[Latinica|latiniceju]], okolo 1/3 [[Kirilica|kiriliceju]]. == Iztočniky == {{Iztočniky}} [[Kategorija:Vikipedija]] [[Kategorija:Medžuslovjansky]] {{INTERWIKI|Q140402376}} i53rbuudjlhqo6jy8mbr3qte65v8291 0 1878 27906 15668 2026-07-02T17:30:15Z Ilja isv 10 /* Historija */ 27906 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Umětna inteligencija''' (tož Umětny intelekt) je sposobnostju informatičnoj sistemy k rěšanju problemov, do ktoryh potrěbna je inteligencija. Daljši razvoj tehnologije budi pytanja o prirodě i točnoj definicije inteligenciji, a takože o rolje člověka vo světu, kde pomalo mašiny počinajut dominovati. == Definicije == Umětna inteligencija — sistema imitujuča ljudsky intelekt, ale jego rabotanje ograničaje se do jedinogo dějanja. Učenje mašinovo — sistema uči se na osnově svojih danyh, uže znaje vse pravila, Učenje gluboko- sistema tvori pravila na osnově svojih danyh, ima mnogo ukrytyh plastov. == Historija == Različne modely umětnogo intelekta uže byli znane od 40-lět XX stolětja, ale jihna implementacija čekala mnoge dekady, ibo izčisliteljne uměnja tamošnjih pol-vodičev ne dozvoljali jihno praktično užitje. S razvojem promysla pol-vodičev rastla možnost razvoja mašin. Uže vo 90-lětah igrači šahov počinali proigryvati mašinam. Vo dekembru 2022 byl izdany "{{-|ChatGPT}} - prva sistema AI vsesvětovogo obsega, dostupna bezplatno do koristanja za vsih koristnikov interneta. == Žrla == * https://www.britannica.com/technology/artificial-intelligence * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human–computer_chess_matches [[Kategorija:Informacijne tehnologije]] {{INTERWIKI|Q11660}} 7so0utp44uoye56tbi81ailjd6u5vnl 27907 27906 2026-07-02T17:30:31Z Ilja isv 10 /* Historija */ 27907 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Umětna inteligencija''' (tož Umětny intelekt) je sposobnostju informatičnoj sistemy k rěšanju problemov, do ktoryh potrěbna je inteligencija. Daljši razvoj tehnologije budi pytanja o prirodě i točnoj definicije inteligenciji, a takože o rolje člověka vo světu, kde pomalo mašiny počinajut dominovati. == Definicije == Umětna inteligencija — sistema imitujuča ljudsky intelekt, ale jego rabotanje ograničaje se do jedinogo dějanja. Učenje mašinovo — sistema uči se na osnově svojih danyh, uže znaje vse pravila, Učenje gluboko- sistema tvori pravila na osnově svojih danyh, ima mnogo ukrytyh plastov. == Historija == Različne modely umětnogo intelekta uže byli znane od 40-lět XX stolětja, ale jihna implementacija čekala mnoge dekady, ibo izčisliteljne uměnja tamošnjih pol-vodičev ne dozvoljali jihno praktično užitje. S razvojem promysla pol-vodičev rastla možnost razvoja mašin. Uže vo 90-lětah igrači šahov počinali proigryvati mašinam. Vo dekembru 2022 byl izdany {{-|ChatGPT}} - prva sistema AI vsesvětovogo obsega, dostupna bezplatno do koristanja za vsih koristnikov interneta. == Žrla == * https://www.britannica.com/technology/artificial-intelligence * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human–computer_chess_matches [[Kategorija:Informacijne tehnologije]] {{INTERWIKI|Q11660}} p1oxvafhgxd1hdk76ngcfksbcoohvkc 27908 27907 2026-07-02T17:31:50Z Ilja isv 10 /* Žrla */ 27908 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Umětna inteligencija''' (tož Umětny intelekt) je sposobnostju informatičnoj sistemy k rěšanju problemov, do ktoryh potrěbna je inteligencija. Daljši razvoj tehnologije budi pytanja o prirodě i točnoj definicije inteligenciji, a takože o rolje člověka vo světu, kde pomalo mašiny počinajut dominovati. == Definicije == Umětna inteligencija — sistema imitujuča ljudsky intelekt, ale jego rabotanje ograničaje se do jedinogo dějanja. Učenje mašinovo — sistema uči se na osnově svojih danyh, uže znaje vse pravila, Učenje gluboko- sistema tvori pravila na osnově svojih danyh, ima mnogo ukrytyh plastov. == Historija == Različne modely umětnogo intelekta uže byli znane od 40-lět XX stolětja, ale jihna implementacija čekala mnoge dekady, ibo izčisliteljne uměnja tamošnjih pol-vodičev ne dozvoljali jihno praktično užitje. S razvojem promysla pol-vodičev rastla možnost razvoja mašin. Uže vo 90-lětah igrači šahov počinali proigryvati mašinam. Vo dekembru 2022 byl izdany {{-|ChatGPT}} - prva sistema AI vsesvětovogo obsega, dostupna bezplatno do koristanja za vsih koristnikov interneta. == Žrla == * {{-|https://www.britannica.com/technology/artificial-intelligence}} * {{-|https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human–computer_chess_matches}} [[Kategorija:Informacijne tehnologije]] {{INTERWIKI|Q11660}} ckej46x1q32yh92kw23tnxuekdpp3it 27909 27908 2026-07-02T17:32:39Z Ilja isv 10 /* Historija */ 27909 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Umětna inteligencija''' (tož Umětny intelekt) je sposobnostju informatičnoj sistemy k rěšanju problemov, do ktoryh potrěbna je inteligencija. Daljši razvoj tehnologije budi pytanja o prirodě i točnoj definicije inteligenciji, a takože o rolje člověka vo světu, kde pomalo mašiny počinajut dominovati. == Definicije == Umětna inteligencija — sistema imitujuča ljudsky intelekt, ale jego rabotanje ograničaje se do jedinogo dějanja. Učenje mašinovo — sistema uči se na osnově svojih danyh, uže znaje vse pravila, Učenje gluboko- sistema tvori pravila na osnově svojih danyh, ima mnogo ukrytyh plastov. == Historija == Različne modely umětnogo intelekta uže byli znane od 40-lět XX stolětja, ale jihna implementacija čekala mnoge dekady, ibo izčisliteljne uměnja tamošnjih pol-vodičev ne dozvoljali jihno praktično užitje. S razvojem promysla pol-vodičev rastla možnost razvoja mašin. Uže vo 90-lětah igrači šahov počinali proigryvati mašinam. Vo dekembru 2022 byl izdany {{-|ChatGPT}} - prva sistema {{-|AI}} vsesvětovogo obsega, dostupna bezplatno do koristanja za vsih koristnikov interneta. == Žrla == * {{-|https://www.britannica.com/technology/artificial-intelligence}} * {{-|https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human–computer_chess_matches}} [[Kategorija:Informacijne tehnologije]] {{INTERWIKI|Q11660}} 4l7w17k84wxrv79i840mlxjgq4n2i3q 0 2075 27916 17815 2026-07-02T19:53:51Z Ilja isv 10 /* */ 27916 wikitext text/x-wiki {| class="wikitable" style="float:right; margin:0 0 1em 1em; width:300px; background-color:#f9f9f9; border: none;" ! colspan="2" style="background-color:#dcdcdc; text-align:center; font-size:120%; border: none;" |Čžu Si '''(kitajsky: 朱熹)''' |- |'''Portret''' |<div style="text-align:center;">[[Fajl:Zhu xi.jpg|thumb|216x216px|portret Čžu Si napisany v dobu Cin]]</div> |- |'''Rodil se''' |18 oktobra 1130<br>Jusi, provincija Fučžjanj, Južna dinastija Son |- |'''Umrl''' |23 aprilja 1200 (69 lět) |- |'''Profesija''' |Kaligrafist, historik, filozof, poet, politik |- |'''Doba''' |Srědnevěčna filozofija |- |'''Region''' |Kitajska filozofija |- |'''Škola''' |Neokonfucianstvo |- |'''Kitajsko ime''' |朱熹 |} '''Čžu Si''' ([[Kitajsky jezyk|kitajsky]]: '''朱熹''', takože romanizovano napisanje '''''{{-|Zhu Xi}}''';'' 18 oktobra 1130 – 23 aprilja 1200 goda) – byl [[Kitajsky jezyk|kitajskym]] [[Filozofija|filozofom]], [[Historija|historikom]], [[Politika|politikom]], [[Poezija|poetom]] i [[Kaligrafija|kaligrafistom]] dinastije Južna Sun. Jedna iz vedučih figur v razvoju neokonfucianstva, igral važnu rolju v formovanju intelektualnyh osnov pozdnogo imperatorskogo Kitaja. On uděljal mnogo pozornosti racionalnosti, izstupal protiv misticizma i religioznogo prěživanja i sbudoval ogromnu filozofsku sistemu. Jego obširne komentary i redaktorska praca nad Četyremi Knigami stali osnovami za ekzamenacionnyh testov na imperatorsku državnu službu od 1313 goda i do jih likvidacije v 1905 godu. On izrabotal strogu filozofsku metodologiju, znanu kako "studiovanje věčij" (格物) i podčrknul meditaciju kako važnu praktiku za moralnogo i intelektualnogo samoulěpšenja. Myslji Čžu Si okazali gluboky vliv, stavši oficialnoju državnoju ideologijeju Kitaja s doby dinastije Juan i byli poslě adoptovane v inyh krajah Iztočnoj Azije, takyh kako [[Japonija]], [[Koreja]], [[Vietnam]]. V tutyh regionah jego neokonfucianske doktriny byli institucionalizovany srědstvom obrazovateljnyh sistem i egzamenov na državnu službu, formujuče politične ideologije, socialne hierarhije i kulturne cěnnosti na proteženju stolětij. Čžu byl naučnikom s širokymi znanjami v klasikě, komentarah, historije i inyh tvorbah jego prědhodnikov. Za jego život on smogl několiko raz služiti državnym činovnikom, ačekoli večšu čest svojego rastlogo žitja on izběgal državnoj dolžnosti. On takože napisal, sostavil i odredaktoval bez malogo sto knig i prěpisyval se i desetkami inyh naučnikov. On izstupal kako učitelj za skupin studentov, mnogi iz ktoryh rěšili učiti se u njego v tečenju mnogyh lět. On osnoval svoje učenje na osnově učenja bratov Čeng i inyh, poslě razvivajuči jih metafizične teorije odnosno Li (Forma) i Ci (materija). Jego poslědovatelji zapisali tyseči jego razgovorov na pismu. == Iztočniky == ''Tutoj članok imaje prěvod iz članka [[:en:Zhu_Xi|«Zhu Xi»]]'' ''na anglijskom ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zhu_Xi&action=history spis avtorov]; dozvoljenje [[ccorg:licenses/by-sa/4.0/|CC BY-SA 4.0]]).'' [[Kategorija:Kitajski filozofi]] [[Kategorija:Historiki]] [[Kategorija:Politiki]] {{INTERWIKI|Q9397}} bqd9na637tzgm6ho2iynj7kowyy74xc 0 2331 27879 27843 2026-07-02T12:37:39Z Karbutaroshik 59 27879 wikitext text/x-wiki {{O|народу|крају|Бєлорус}} {{Začetok|data=2022-09}} [[Fajl:Map of the Belarusian Diaspora in the World.svg|thumb|Карта числа бєлорусов в крајах свєту]] '''Бєлоруси''' ({{Jezyky|be|беларусы, biełarusy}}) сут возходнословјанскы народ. Сполно число бєлорусов јест 10 милионов људиј. Прєд всем живут в [[Бєлорус|Бєлоруси]] (84,9% всєго јеј људства). Много бєлорусов такоже живут в [[Росија|Росији]], [[Украјина|Украјинє]] и [[Пољска|Пољскє]], кде сут националне меншинство. Бєлоруси обширно разселили се по територији былого [[СССР]], а такоже прєселили се в ред стран за јего прєдєлами (Пољска, [[США]], [[Канада]], [[Нємција]]). [[Бєлорусскы језык]] јест националны језык бєлорусского народа. Јего числет родным језыком абсолутна бољшест, при том, из-за трваној русификације, бољша чест бєлорусов говорит днешње в быту, основно на [[Русскы језык|русском]]. == Хисторија == Бєлоруси подобно [[Руси|русам]] и [[Украјинци|украјинцам]], належет к [[Возходнословјанске народы|возходнословјанским народам]]. Возходнословјанске племена с VI вєка разпространили се на великој територији возходној Европы. С VI по X вєк в басејну [[Двина|Двины]], врнхного [[Днєпр|Днєпра]] и Волги осадило се племе кривичев, Кторе подєлили се на двє групы: западну и возходну. Територија на сєверу од рєкы Припет были же територијеју размєшанја дреговичев. [[Kategorija:Бєлоруси| ]] [[Kategorija:Народы]] [[Kategorija:Словјани]] [[Kategorija:Бєлорус]] {{INTERWIKI|Q483569}} kjw4pjrabne4co2re5xqdlobxtvytnv 0 2671 27903 20076 2026-07-02T17:06:47Z Мурад 97 27 27903 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Комикс''' ({{Jezyky|en|comic}} — смєшны) јест рысована повєдка. Он обсегаје литерарну и изобразителну умєтност.<ref name="understanding">{{Cite web |title=Скотт МакКлауд. «Суть Комикса» |url=http://understanding-comics.ru/ |access-date=2013-07-17 |archive-date=2013-07-20 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20130720140539/http://understanding-comics.ru/ |url-status=dead }}</ref> == Етимологија == На многых језыках свєта, наприклад на словјанскых (с изкљученјем србохрватского), нємечском ({{-|Comic}}) и тако даље слово комикс произтєка од англиского слова ''{{-|comic}}''. == Хисторија == <gallery caption="Рани приклады комиксов" mode="packed" heights="200"> Manga Hokusai.jpg|[[Манга]], [[Катсушика Хокусај]] (XIX вєк)<!-- have to find the date for this example --> Toepffer Cryptogame 13.png|''Histoire de Monsieur Cryptogame'', Родолв Топффер (1830) Yellow Kid 1898-01-09.jpg|''Жолто Дєте'', Ричард Ф. Аутклод (1898) </gallery> Традиције комиксов в Европє, Америкє и [[Манга|Јапонији]] имали разни путе.<ref>[http://www.imageandnarrative.be/inarchive/narratology/chriscouch.htm The Publication and Formats of Comics, Graphic Novels, and Tankobon] by Chris Couch. Image Narrative, December 2000 (issn1780-678X), [https://web.archive.org/web/20131104223730/http://www.imageandnarrative.be/inarchive/narratology/chriscouch.htm archived].</ref> == Източникы == <references /> [[Kategorija:Комиксы|*]] {{INTERWIKI|Q1004}} 0ifxekie93c3dd6xfbnwmgv5r1dxgzz 2 2830 27885 27866 2026-07-02T13:50:18Z Ilja isv 10 27885 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=July 2026}} {{-|''Under construction''}} {{Kartka muzikant | name = Shakira | image = [[Fajl:2023-11-16 Gala de los Latin Grammy, 03 (cropped)02.jpg|center|Shakira at the [[24th Annual Latin Grammy Awards|2023 Latin Grammy Awards]]]] | caption = Shakira at the [[24th Annual Latin Grammy Awards|2023 Latin Grammy Awards]] | birth_name = Shakira Isabel Mebarak Ripoll | birth_date = {{Birth date and age|df=y|1977|2|2}} | birth_place = [[Barranquilla]], Atlántico, Colombia | occupation = {{hlist|Singer|songwriter|dancer|record producer}} | organization = [[Barefoot Foundation]] | years_active = 1990–present | works = {{hlist|[[Shakira discography|Discography]]|[[List of songs recorded by Shakira|songs recorded]]|[[Shakira videography|videography]]|[[List of Shakira concerts|concerts]]|[[Shakira live performances|live performances]]}} | partner = {{unbulleted list | [[Antonio de la Rúa]] (2000–2010) | [[Gerard Piqué]] (2010–2022) }} | children = 2 | awards = {{hlist|[[List of awards and nominations received by Shakira|Awards]]|[[List of Shakira records and achievements|records]]|[[Cultural impact of Shakira|impact]]}} | website = [https://shakira.com {{-|shakira.com}}] | signature = Shakira signature, Billboard Open Letter 2016.png | module = {{Kartka muzikant |embed=yes | origin = [[Bogotá]], Colombia | instruments = {{hlist|Vocals|guitars|harmonica|drums}} | genre = <!-- Genres reliable sources most commonly categorize artist; aim for generality and two to four genres: [[Template:Kartka muzikant/doc#genre]]. --> {{hlist|[[Latin music|Latin]]|[[Pop music|pop]]|[[Dance music|dance]]|[[Rock music|rock]]}} | label = {{hlist|[[Sony Music Colombia|Sony Colombia]]|[[Epic Records|Epic]]|[[RCA Records|RCA]]|[[Sony Latin]] <!-- Note: Do not add Roc Nation as she is signed to the label for management purposes, not album and single releases. Also, please keep in alphabetical order. -->}} }} }} {{nihongo|'''Japonske čislovniky'''|数詞|sūshi}} sut [[Čislovnik (lingvistika)|čislovniky]], koristane v [[Japonsky jezyk|japonskom jezyku]]. V pismennosti oni sut jednake s [[Kitajske čislovniky|kitajskymi čislovnikami]], I velike čisla slědujut kitajskomu stilju s grupovanjem po 10,000. Koristajut se dva izgovory: Sino-Japonsko čitanje ([[On'yomi|{{lang|en|on'yomi}}]]) i Japonsko čitanje {{lang|en|[[Wago|yamato kotoba]]}} (rodne slova, {{lang|en|[[kun'yomi]]}}) [[Kitajske hieroglify|kitajskyh hieroglifov]]. ==Čisla v japonskom jezyku== Sut dva sposoby, kako pisati čisla na japonskom jezyku: [[Arabske cifry|arabskymi ciframi]] (1, 2, 3) ili [[Kitajske čislovniky|kitajskymi čislovnikami]] ({{lang|zh|一}}, {{lang|zh|二}}, {{lang|zh|三}}). Arabske čisla sut vyše često koristane pri [[Horizontalno i vertikalno pisanje v Iztočno aziatskoj pismennosti|horizontalnom pisanju]], a kitajske čisla sut vyše obyčajne pri [[Horizontalno i vertikalno pisanje v Iztočno aziatskoj pismennosti|vertikalnom pisanju]]. Věčšinstvo čisel imaje dva čitanja, kako i večšinstvo [[Kanji|kandži]], to, ktoro jest izvedeno od kitajskogo čitanja, koristaje se za redne čislovniky ([[on'yomi|čitanje {{lang|en|On}}]] ) a rodno japonsko čitanje ([[kun'yomi|čitanje {{lang|en|Kun}}]]) koristaje se nemnogo menje formalno za čisla do 10. V něktoryh slučajah (privedenyh dole), jsponsko čitanje obyčno jest preferovano za vse izkoristanja. Archaične čtanja sut označene †. {| class="wikitable nounderlines" ! Čislo ! Znak ! Čitanje {{lang|en|On}} ! Čitanje {{lang|en|Kun}}<ref>{{cite book |script-title=ja:スーパー大辞林 |trans-title=Super [[Daijirin]] |language=ja |publisher=[[Sanseidō]] }}</ref> ! Prědnostno čitanje |- | align="right" | [[0]] | {{lang|ja|零}} / {{lang|ja|〇}}{{sup|*}} | {{Nihongo||れい|rei}} | {{Nihongo||まる|maru}} | {{Nihongo||ゼロ|zero}} ([[Pozajetje (lingvistika)|pozajetje]], {{lang|en|[[Loanwords in Japanese|gairaigo]]}}) |- | align="right" | [[1]] | {{lang|ja|一}} | {{Nihongo||いち|ichi}} | {{Nihongo||ひと・つ|hito(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||いち|ichi}} |- | align="right" | [[2]] | {{lang|ja|二}} | {{Nihongo||に|ni}} | {{Nihongo||ふた・つ|futa(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||に|ni}} |- | align="right" | [[3]] | {{lang|ja|三}} | {{Nihongo||さん|san}} | {{Nihongo||みっ・つ|mit(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||さん|san}} |- | align="right" | [[4]] | {{lang|ja|四}} | {{Nihongo||し|shi}} | {{lang|en|yon}}, {{Nihongo||よん、よっ・つ|yot(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||よん|yon}} |- | align="right" | [[5]] | {{lang|ja|五}} | {{Nihongo||ご|go}} | {{Nihongo||いつ・つ|itsu(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||ご|go}} |- | align="right" | [[6]] | {{lang|ja|六}} | {{Nihongo||ろく|roku}} | {{Nihongo||むっ・つ|mut(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||ろく|roku}} |- | align="right" | [[7]] | {{lang|ja|七}} | {{Nihongo||しち|shichi}} | {{Nihongo||なな・つ|nana(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||なな|nana}} |- | align="right" | [[8]] | {{lang|ja|八}} | {{Nihongo||はち|hachi}} | {{Nihongo||やっ・つ|yat(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||はち|hachi}} |- | align="right" | [[9]] | {{lang|ja|九}} | {{lang|ja|ku}}, {{Nihongo||く, きゅう|kyū}} | {{Nihongo||ここの・つ|kokono(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||きゅう|kyū}} |- | align="right" | [[10]] | {{lang|ja|十}} | {{Nihongo||じゅう|jū}} | {{Nihongo||とお|tō}} | {{Nihongo||じゅう|jū}} |- | align="right" | [[20 (number)|20]] | {{lang|ja|二十}} | {{Nihongo||にじゅう|ni-jū}} | {{Nihongo||はた|hata}}† | {{Nihongo||にじゅう|ni-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[30 (number)|30]] | {{lang|ja|三十}} | {{Nihongo||さんじゅう|san-jū}} | {{Nihongo||みそ|miso}}† | {{Nihongo||さんじゅう|san-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[40 (number)|40]] | {{lang|ja|四十}} | {{Nihongo||しじゅう|shi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||よそ|yoso}}† | {{Nihongo||よんじゅう|yon-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[50 (number)|50]] | {{lang|ja|五十}} | {{Nihongo||ごじゅう|go-jū}} | {{Nihongo||いそ|iso}}† | {{Nihongo||ごじゅう|go-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[60 (number)|60]] | {{lang|ja|六十}} | {{Nihongo||ろくじゅう|roku-jū}} | {{Nihongo||むそ|muso}}† | {{Nihongo||ろくじゅう|roku-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[70 (number)|70]] | {{lang|ja|七十}} | {{Nihongo||しちじゅう|shichi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||ななそ|nanaso}}† | {{Nihongo||ななじゅう|nana-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[80 (number)|80]] | {{lang|ja|八十}} | {{Nihongo||はちじゅう|hachi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||やそ|yaso}}† | {{Nihongo||はちじゅう|hachi-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[90 (number)|90]] | {{lang|ja|九十}} | {{Nihongo||くじゅう|ku-jū}} | {{Nihongo||ここのそ|kokonoso}}† | {{Nihongo||きゅうじゅう|kyū-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[100]] | {{lang|ja|百}} | {{Nihongo||ひゃく|hyaku}} | {{Nihongo||もも|momo}}† | {{Nihongo||ひゃく|hyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[500 (number)|500]] | {{lang|ja|五百}} | {{Nihongo||ごひゃく|go-hyaku}} | {{Nihongo||いお|io}}† | {{Nihongo||ごひゃく|go-hyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[800 (number)|800]] | {{lang|ja|八百}} | {{Nihongo||はっぴゃく|hap-pyaku}} | {{Nihongo||やお|yao}}† | {{Nihongo||はっぴゃく|hap-pyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[1000 (number)|1,000]] | {{lang|ja|千}} | {{Nihongo||せん|sen}} | {{Nihongo||ち|chi}}† | {{Nihongo||せん|sen}} |- | align="right" | [[10,000]] | {{lang|ja|万}} | {{Nihongo||まん|man}} | {{Nihongo||よろず|yorozu}}† | {{Nihongo||まん|man}} |- | align="right" | [[100,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|億}} | {{Nihongo||おく|oku}} |— | {{Nihongo||おく|oku}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)#1012|1,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|兆}} | {{Nihongo||ちょう|chō}} |— | {{Nihongo||ちょう|chō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10,000,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|京}} | {{Nihongo||けい|kei}} |— | {{Nihongo||けい|kei}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|100,000,000,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|垓}} | {{Nihongo||がい|gai}} |— | {{Nihongo||がい|gai}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10²⁴]] | {{lang|ja|𥝱}} | {{Nihongo||じょ|jo}} |— | {{Nihongo||じょ|jo}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10²⁸]] | {{lang|ja|穣}} | {{Nihongo||じょう|jō}} |— | {{Nihongo||じょう|jō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10³²]] | {{lang|ja|溝}} | {{Nihongo||こう|kō}} |— | {{Nihongo||こう|kō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10³⁶]] | {{lang|ja|澗}} | {{Nihongo||かん|kan}} |— | {{Nihongo||かん|kan}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁰]] | {{lang|ja|正}} | {{Nihongo||せい|sei}} |— | {{Nihongo||せい|sei}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁴]] | {{lang|ja|載}} | {{Nihongo||さい|sai}} |— | {{Nihongo||さい|sai}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁸]] | {{lang|ja|極}} | {{Nihongo||ごく|goku}} |— | {{Nihongo||ごく|goku}} |} <small><nowiki>*</nowiki> Imaje se takože specialno čitanje 〇 ({{-|''maru''}}), čto označaje "krugly" ili "krug". Ono može koristati se opcionalno, kogda čitajut se odděljene cifry v nomeru jedna po jednoj, vměsto vsego čisla. Polpularnym priměrim jest [[109 (trgovy dom)|znamenity magazin "109"]] v četvrti [[Shibuya|Šibuja, Tokio]], ktory čitaje se kako {{lang|en|ichi-maru-kyū}} (Kandži: {{lang|ja|一〇九}}). (On takože može čitati se kako 'deset-devet'— izgovarjaje se {{lang|en|tō-kyū}} — čto jest igra slov s nazvanjem tokijskogo trgovogo doma, ktory vladaje budynkom.) Tuto izkoristanje {{lang|en|maru}} za čislnu 0 jest podobno poněkogdomu čitanju čisla 0 v anglijskom jezyku kako {{-| ''oh''}}. Jednakože, kako čislo, jego jedino zapisyvajut kako 0 ili {{Nihongo|零|{{-|rei}}}}. Čtovyše, dva i pet igovarjajut s dolgoju samoglaskoju v telefoničnyh nomerah (napr. {{lang|ja|にい}} {{lang|en|nī}} i {{lang|ja|ごお}} {{lang|en|gō}}). Čisla poslě {{lang|en|kei}} koristajut rědko. Tym ne menje, oni sut prědstavjene tut.</small> Kako odměčaje se vyše, {{lang|en|yon}} (4) i {{lang|en|nana}} (7) sut uprědnostnjene nad {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}}. Prědpokladaje se, že tuto jest svezano s tym, že {{lang|en|shi}} jest takože čitanjem slova 死 (smrt), čto děljae jego neščestlivym čitanjem (gledite [[tetrafobija]]); dokolě {{lang|en|shichi}} može zvučati velmi slično s {{lang|en|ichi}} (1), {{lang|en|shi}} ili {{lang|en|hachi}} (8). Jednakože, v cělom redu stanovjenyh slov i rěčenij, {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}} sut stale preferovane; tako, pri sčitanju (kako v {{lang|en|"ichi, ni, san, shi,..."}}), {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}} mogut iměti prědnost. Čislo 9 takože mněvaje se nesčestlivym; kogda izgovarjaje se {{lang|en|ku}}, ono sozvučno 苦 (stradanje). Čislo 13 poněkogda mněvaje se nesčestlivym, ale jest to kalka [[Triskaidekafobia|zapadnoj tradicije]]. Naprotiv, 7 i poněkogda 8 mněvajut se sčestlivymy u japoncev.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://lingualift.com/blog/lucky-unlucky-numbers-japan/|title=The number of death: Lucky and unlucky numbers in Japan|website=The Science of Language Self-Study {{!}} LinguaLift Blog|access-date=2016-03-24}}</ref> V sovrěmennom japonskom jezyku, redne čislovniky pomimo 4 i 7 sut obyčno koristane v čitanju {{lang|en|on}}. Alternativno čitanje byvaje v nazvah měsecev, čislah dnjev v měsecu i stalyh izrazah; napriměr, april, julij, i september nazyvajut se {{lang|en|'''shi'''-gatsu}} (4. měsec), {{lang|en|'''shichi'''-gatsu}} (7. měsec), i {{lang|en|'''ku'''-gatsu}} (9. měsec). Čitanja {{lang|en|on}} takože koristajut pri prěklikanju dlja sčitanja ljudij (nap. {{lang|en|ichi-ni-san-shi}}). Večši čisla dělajut, kombinujuči tute elementy: *desetky od 20 do 90 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-jū}}" kako od {{Nihongo|二十|{{-|ni-jū}}}} do {{Nihongo|九十|{{-|kyū-jū}}}}. *sotky od 200 do 900 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-hyaku}}". *tyseče od 2000 do 9000 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-sen}}". Počinajuči od {{Nihongo|miriady|万}}, čisla začinajut se s {{Nihongo|一|{{-|ichi}}}}, jestlu ne jest prisutna ina cifra. Tako, 100 bude prosto {{Nihongo|百|{{-|hyaku}}}}, 1000 jest prosto {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}, ale 10000 uže{{Nihongo|一万|{{-|ichiman}}}}, vměsto prosto {{lang|en|man}}. (Tuto odličaje se od [[Kitajsky jezyk|kitajskogo jezyka]], kde čisla začinajut se c {{lang|zh|一}} ako ne jest druga ina cifra prěd njeju, uže od 100.) I jestli {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}neposrědnje prědhodi nazvě kolikosti [[Miriada|miriad]], prěd {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}obyčno dodavajut {{Nihongo|一|{{-|ichi}}}}, čto davaje {{Nihongo|一千|{{-|issen}}}}. Tako, 10,000,000 (bukvalno 1000,0000) obyčno čitajut kako {{Nihongo|一千万|{{-|issenman}}}}. Ale ako {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}} ''ne'' premo prědhodi kolikosti myriad, dodavanje {{Nihongo|一|ichi}}jest opcionalno. Tako, 15,000,000 (1500,0000) čitaje se kako {{Nihongo|千五百万|sengohyakuman}} ili {{Nihongo|一千五百万|issengohyakuman}}, ravno i kako 1500 čitaje se {{Nihongo|千五百|sengohyaku}}ili {{Nihongo|一千五百|issengohyaku}}. Sut i něktore fonetične modifikacije v ozvučanju něktoryh velikyh čisel, [[Oglasovanje i obezglasovanje suglasok|oglasovanje]] ili [[gemacija]] něktoryh suglasok, kako to često byvaje v japonskom jezyku (napr. {{lang|en|[[rendaku]]}}): napr. {{lang|en|roku}} "šest" i {{lang|en|hyaku}} "sto" dělajut {{lang|en|roppyaku}} "šestsot". {| class="wikitable" ! × !! 1 !! 2 !! 3 !! 4 !! 5 !! 6 !! 7 !! 8 !! 9 !! 10 !! 100 !! 1000 |- | align="right" | 100 | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hyaku, ippyaku}} | {{lang|en|nihyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sanbyaku}} | {{lang|en|yonhyaku}} | {{lang|en|gohyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|roppyaku}} | {{lang|en|nanahyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|happyaku}} | {{lang|en|kyūhyaku}} |— |— |— |- | align="right" | 1,000 | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sen, issen}} | {{lang|en|nisen}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sanzen}} | {{lang|en|yonsen}} | {{lang|en|gosen}} | {{lang|en|rokusen}} | {{lang|en|nanasen}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hassen}} | {{lang|en|kyūsen}} | — | — | — |- | align="right" | 10{{sup|12}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|itchō}} | {{lang|en|nichō}} | {{lang|en|sanchō}} | {{lang|en|yonchō}} | {{lang|en|gochō}} | {{lang|en|rokuchō}} | {{lang|en|nanachō}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hatchō}} | {{lang|en|kyūchō}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|jutchō}}* | {{lang|en|hyakuchō}} | {{lang|en|issenchō}} |- | align="right" | 10{{sup|16}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|ikkei}} | {{lang|en|nikei}} | {{lang|en|sankei}} | {{lang|en|yonkei}} | {{lang|en|gokei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|rokkei}} | {{lang|en|nanakei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hakkei}} | {{lang|en|kyūkei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|jukkei}}* | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hyakkei}}** | {{lang|en|issenkei}} |} <small><nowiki>*</nowiki> Takože priměnjaje se k kratnym 10. Koncovka měnjaje se od {{lang|en|-jū}} na {{lang|en|-jutchō}} ili {{lang|en|-jukkei}}.<br /><nowiki>**</nowiki> Takože priměnjaje se k kratnym 100. Koncovka {{lang|en|-ku}} měnjaje se na {{lang|en|-kkei}}.</small> V čislah nad 10, elementy sut soredjene, i ne koristajut se nuly. Japonske čislovniky imajut ne pozicijnu, a multiplikativno-aditivnu sistemu; da by napisati čislo 20, trěba napisati simbol {{Nihongo|"dva"|二}}, a potom simbol {{Nihongo|"deset"|十}}, da by polučiti dvě desetky ili {{Nihongo|"dvadeset"|二十}}. {| class="wikitable" ! Čislo !! Znaky !! Čitanje !Značenje |- | align="right" | 11 || {{lang|ja|十一}} || {{lang|en|jū ichi}} |deset i jedno |- | align="right" | 17 || {{lang|ja|十七}} || {{lang|en|jū nana, jū shichi}} |deset i sedm |- | align="right" | 151 || {{lang|ja|百五十一}} || {{lang|en|hyaku go-jū ichi}} |sto, pet desetok i jedno |- | align="right" | 302 || {{lang|ja|三百二}} || {{lang|en|san-byaku ni}} |tri sta i dva |- | align="right" | 469 || {{lang|ja|四百六十九}} || {{lang|en|yon-hyaku roku-jū kyū}} |četyri, šest desetok i devet |- | align="right" | 2025 || {{lang|ja|二千二十五}} || {{lang|en|ni-sen ni-jū go}} |dva tyseče, dvě desetky i pet |} ===Čislne redky i desetične čisla=== Japonske cifry od 1 do 9 obyčno se koristajut izolovano. Redky cifr imajut slegka inako čitanje s prodolženymi samoglaskami za 2 (''nī'') i 5 (''gō''), i menje često, 4 (''shī'') i 9 (''kū''). Tako dělajut zato, že kogda prěčisljajut cifry, ako možno, oni muset byti v grupah po dvě, každa iz njih musi sostojeti točno iz četyreh [[Mora (lingvistika)|mor]], čto dělaje neobhodnym prodolženje obyčno jednomornyh cifr kako ''ni'', ''go'', ''shi'' and ''ku''.<ref name=nhk-2005-2>{{cite web|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250622082124/https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20250601_1.html|url=https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20250601_1.html|archive-date=22 June 2025|lang=ja|script-title=ja:語の読み方（語形）について数字の読み方～小数の読み方～|work=NHK Bunken|publisher=NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute|last=Yamashita|first=Yōko|last2=Fujii|first2=Madoka|date=28 February 2025|access-date=23 September 2025|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250622082259/https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20180501_4.html|url=https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20180501_4.html|archive-date=22 June 2025|date=1 May 2018|lang=ja|script-title=ja:数詞の発音とアクセント|work=NHK Bunken|publisher=NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute|last=Sakurai|first=Shigeharu|last2=Akinaga|first2=Kazue|access-date=23 September 2025|url-status=live}}</ref> Napiměr, taky redok kako '''5'''4'''2'''62 se izgovarjaje {{-|'''''gō'''-yon '''nī'''-roku ni''}}, kde prve dvě grupy sut kvadrimoraične. [[Japonsko tonalno udarjenje|Udarjenje]] pri tom padaje prědposlědnju moru kažfoj grupy, ako li to jest možlivo, odsud {{-|[ɡoː jóɴ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲiː ɾókɯ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲí]}}.<ref name=hirayama-1961>{{cite book|lang=ja|script-title=ja:全国アクセント辞典|first=Teruo|last=Hirayama|publisher=Tōkyōdō|date=25 December 1961|p=897}}</ref> Tuto pravilo takože priměnjaje se k poslědnoj cifrě celoj česti čisla i ko vsim cifram desetičnoj česti desetičnogo čisla.<ref name=nhk-2005-2/><ref name=hirayama-1961/> Napriměr, tako desetično čislo kako 25'''2'''.'''25'''5 se izgovarjaje {{-|''nihyaku gojū '''nī'''-ten '''nī-gō''' go''}} {{-|[ɲiçjakɯ́ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɡodʑɯ́ː <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲíː teɴ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲiː ɡóː <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɡó]}}, kde ''ten'' označaje "točka". ===Druge tipy čisel=== V japonskyh [[Ordinalny čislovnik|ordinalnyh čislovnikah]] koristajut modifikaciju uměstnyh sčetnyh slov, sistema ktoryh v japonskom jezyku jest dosti [[Japonske sčetne slova|komplikovana]]. Da by prěvratiti sčetno slovo (sčislovnik) v ordinalny čislovnik, ktory označaje poziciju v redu, na koncu sčislovnika dodavajut {{lang|ja|目}} {{lang|en|me}}. Tako "jedin raz" bude prěkladati se kako {{lang|ja|一回}} {{lang|en|ikkai}}, a "prvy raz" bude se prěkladati {{lang|ja|一回目}} {{lang|en|ikkaime}}. Tuto pravilo jest ale nedoslědno, ako sčislovniky bez sufiksa {{translit|ja|me}} često koristajut i v ordinalnom, i v [[Kardinalny čislovnik|kardinalnom]] smyslah. Napriměr, {{lang|ja|三階}} {{translit|ja|sangai}} može označati kako "tri etaže", tako i "tretji etaž." [[Distributivny čislovnik|Distributivne čislovniky]] obyčno stvarjajut iz kardinalnogo čislovnika, sčetnogo slova i sufiksa {{Nihongo|{{-|''-zutsu''}}|ずつ|}}, napriklad {{Nihongo|{{-|''hitori-zutsu''}}|一人ずつ|po jednoj osobě za raz, po-jedno}}. == Stupnje 10 == === Velike čisla === Vslěd kitajskoj tradiciji, velike čisla se stvarjajut grupovanjem cifr v [[Miriada|miriady]] (10,000), na razliku od zapadnyh tyseč(1,000) <div class="overflowbugx" style="overflow-x:auto;"> {| class="wikitable" !align="left"|Red |10{{sup|4}} |10{{sup|8}} |10{{sup|12}} |10{{sup|16}} |10{{sup|20}} |10{{sup|24}} |10{{sup|28}} |10{{sup|32}} |10{{sup|36}} |10{{sup|40}} |10{{sup|44}} |10{{sup|48}} |10{{sup|52}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(ili 10{{sup|56}})}}</small> |10{{sup|56}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(ili 10{{sup|64}})}}</small> |10{{sup|60}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|72}})}}</small> |10{{sup|64}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|80}})}}</small> |10{{sup|68}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|88}})}}</small> |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|万}} |{{lang|ja|億}} |{{lang|ja|兆}} |{{lang|ja|京}} |{{lang|ja|垓}} |{{lang|ja|𥝱}}, {{lang|ja|秭}} |{{lang|ja|穣}} |{{lang|ja|溝}} |{{lang|ja|澗}} |{{lang|ja|正}} |{{lang|ja|載}} |{{lang|ja|極}} |{{lang|ja|恒河沙}} |{{lang|ja|阿僧祇}} |{{lang|ja|那由他}}, {{lang|ja|那由多}} |{{lang|ja|不可思議}} |{{lang|ja|無量大数}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|en|man}} |{{lang|en|oku}} |{{lang|en|chō}} |{{lang|en|kei}} |{{lang|en|gai}} |{{lang|en|jo}}, {{lang|en|shi}} |{{lang|en|jō}} |{{lang|en|kō}} |{{lang|en|kan}} |{{lang|en|sei}} |{{lang|en|sai}} |{{lang|en|goku}} |{{lang|en|gōgasha}} |{{lang|en|asōgi}} |{{lang|en|nayuta}} |{{lang|en|fukashigi}} |{{lang|en|muryōtaisū}} |}</div> Razhoděnja sut iz-za {{Nihongo|{{-|[[Jinkōki]]}}|塵劫記|}}, najstaršego matematičnogo teksta Japonije. Originalno izdavanje bylo opublikovano v lětu 1627 i imělo mnogo grěšek, věčšinstvo ktoryh bylo izpravjeno v izdavanju 1631 goda. V lětu 1634 izšlo ješče jedno izdavanje, kde opet bylo izměnjeno několiko veličin. Vyše uvedeno razhodženje jest obuslovjeno nesuglasnostju dvoh poslědnjih izdavanij. Sut razne znaky za 10{{sup|24}} (to jest {{lang|ja|秭}} v kitajskom jezyku tutčas), i po 10{{sup|48}} oni odličajut se tym, že prodolžajut s povyšenjem faktora 10{{sup|4}} ili prěključajut se na faktor 10{{sup|8}}. Ako koristaje se faktor 10{{sup|8}}, medžuintervalne koeficienty 10{{sup|4}} zakryvajut s pomočju {{Nihongo|万|man}}. Nastoječe izdavanje {{lang|en|Jinkōki}}, 11-to, slěduje faktoru 10{{sup|4}} črez cělu sistemu, hoti něktori ljudi ješče koristajut veličiny iz 8-go izdavanja daže tutčas. Poslědnje tri čisla s mnogoslogovymi nazvanjami i razhodženjem veličin v koncu koncev izvodet se iz Indije, hoti tam oni ne iměli oprědeljennyh veličin. {{Nihongo|恒河沙||gōgasha}} prvonačelno koristalo se v budističskyh traktatah za označevanje bezměrno ogromnogo; ono proizhodi iz [[Sanskrit|sanskritskogo]] {{lang|sa|गङ्गा}} {{lang|en|gangā}} '[[Ganges|Ganga]]' (čto udobno vključaje znaky {{Nihongo|'rěka'|河|ka}} i {{Nihongo|'pěsok'|沙|sha}}, odsylajuči k neizčislimomu množstvu čestic pěska na rěkě Ganga. {{Nihongo||阿僧祇|asōgi}}, from Sanskrit {{lang|sa|असंख्येय}} {{lang|en|asaṃkhyeya}} 'uncountable/innumerable', with the negative prefix {{Nihongo||阿|a}}, and {{Nihongo||那由他|nayuta}} is from Sanskrit {{lang|sa|नयुत/नयुतः}} {{lang|en|nayuta(ḥ)}}. After that, the numbers are Buddhist terms translated into or coined in Chinese and later assigned numerical values: {{Nihongo|'unimaginable'|不可思議|fukashigi}} and {{Nihongo|'immeasurably large number'|無量大数|muryōtaisū}}. Examples: ''(spacing by groups of four digits is given only for clarity of explanation)'' *1 0000 : {{Nihongo|一万|ichi-man}} *983 6703 : {{Nihongo|九百八十三万 六千七百三|kyū-hyaku hachi-jū san-man, roku-sen nana-hyaku san}} *20 3652 1801 : {{Nihongo|二十億 三千六百五十二万 千八百一|ni-jū oku, san-zen rop-pyaku go-jū ni-man, sen hap-pyaku ichi}} However, numbers written in Arabic numerals are separated by commas every three digits following English-speaking convention. If Arabic numbers and kanji are used in combination, Western orders of magnitude may be used for numbers smaller than 10,000 (e.g. {{lang|ja|2,500万}} for 25,000,000). In Japanese, when long numbers are written out in kanji, zeros are omitted for all powers of ten. Hence 4002 is {{lang|ja|四千二}} (in contrast, Chinese requires the use of {{lang|zh|零}} wherever a zero appears, e.g. {{lang|zh|四千零二}} for 4002). However, when reading out a statement of accounts, for example, the skipped digit or digits are sometimes indicated by {{Nihongo|飛び|tobi}} or {{Nihongo|飛んで|tonde}}): e.g. {{lang|ja|yon-sen '''tobi''' ni}} or {{lang|en|yon-sen '''tonde''' ni}} instead of the normal {{lang|en|yon-sen ni}}. === Drobne čisla === Japanese has two systems of numerals for decimal fractions. They are no longer in general use, but are still used in some instances such as batting and fielding averages of baseball players, winning percentages for sports teams, and in some idiomatic phrases such as 五分五分の勝負 ({{-|''gobugobu no shōbu''}}, 'fifty-fifty chance'}}, and when representing a rate or discount. The {{lang|en|bu}} fractions are also used when talking about fevers—for example {{Nihongo|九度二分|kudonibu}} for 9 and two parts—referring to the temperature 39.2°C. One system is as follows: {| class="wikitable" !align=left|Red |10{{sup|−1}} |10{{sup|−2}} |10{{sup|−3}} |10{{sup|−4}} |10{{sup|−5}} |10{{sup|−6}} |10{{sup|−7}} |10{{sup|−8}} |10{{sup|−9}} |10{{sup|−10}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|分}} |{{lang|ja|厘}} |{{lang|ja|毛}} |{{lang|ja|糸}} |{{lang|ja|忽}} |{{lang|ja|微}} |{{lang|ja|繊}} |{{lang|ja|沙}} |{{lang|ja|塵}} |{{lang|ja|埃}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|jen|bu}} |{{lang|en|rin}} |{{lang|en|mō}} |{{lang|en|shi}} |{{lang|en|kotsu}} |{{lang|en|bi}} |{{lang|en|sen}} |{{lang|en|sha}} |{{lang|en|jin}} |{{lang|en|ai}} |} This is the system used with the traditional [[Japanese units of measurement]]. Several of the names are used "as is" to represent a fraction of a [[cun (unit)|{{lang|en|sun}}]]. The other system of representing these decimal fractions of rate or discount uses a system "shifted down" with a {{lang|ja|bu}} becoming a "one hundredth" and so on, and the unit for "tenth" becoming {{lang|ja|wari}}: {| class="wikitable" !align=left|Red |10{{sup|−1}} |10{{sup|−2}} |10{{sup|−3}} |10{{sup|−4}} |10{{sup|−5}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|割}} |{{lang|ja|分}} |{{lang|ja|厘}} |{{lang|ja|毛}} |{{lang|ja|糸}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|en|wari}} |{{lang|en|bu}} |{{lang|en|rin}} |{{lang|en|mō}} |{{lang|en|shi}} |} This is often used with prices. For example: *{{Nihongo|一割五分引き|ichi-wari go-bu biki}}: 15% discount *{{Nihongo|打率三割八分九厘|daritsu san-wari hachi-bu kyū-rin}}: batting average .389 With the exception of {{lang|ja|wari}}, these are rarely seen in modern usage. Decimal fractions are typically written with either kanji numerals (vertically) or Arabic numerals (horizontally), preceded by a decimal point, and are read as successive digits, as in Western convention. Note that, in written form, they can be combined with either the traditional system of expressing numerals (42.195 kilometers: {{lang|ja|四十二・一九五 キロメートル}}), in which powers of ten are written, or with the place value system, which uses zero (50.04 percent: {{lang|ja|五〇・〇四 パーセント.}}) In both cases, however, the reading follows the traditional system ({{lang|ja|yon-jū ni-ten ichi-kyū go kiromētoru}} for 42.195 kilometers; {{lang|ja|go ju-tten rei-yon pāsento}} for 50.04 percent.) == В именах == Существуют имена {{нихонго|[[Millennium Actress|Тиёко]]|千代子||дословно «тысяча лет» (женское)}}, {{нихонго|Тидзуру|千鶴||дословно «тысяча [[Японский журавль|журавлей]]» (женское)}}, {{нихонго|Тикао|千禾夫||дословно «муж — тысяча колосьев»}}, фамилия {{нихонго|Титака|千鷹||дословно «тысяча соколов»}}. Одна из японских префектур называется {{нихонго|[[Тиба (префектура)|Тиба]]|千葉||дословно «тысяча листьев»}}. В [[аниме]] «[[Унесённые призраками]]» обыгрывается неоднозначность прочтения иероглифа 千 — «сэн» или «ти»: имя главной героини — {{нихонго|Тихиро|千尋||дословно «тысяча [[Японская система мер#Меры длины|хиро]]», «бездонная глубина»}}; колдунья «забирает» имя у Тихиро, оставляя ей только один иероглиф и меняя его прочтение. Отныне Тихиро зовётся {{нихонго|Сэн|千||тысяча}}. Кроме того, есть последовательность мужских имён, которыми называют детей по порядку рождения: # {{нихонго|Итиро|一郎|итиро:|первый сын}}, # {{нихонго|Дзиро|二郎|дзиро:|второй сын}}, # {{нихонго|Сабуро|三郎|сабуро:}}, # {{нихонго|Сиро|四郎|сиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Горо|五郎|горо:}}, # {{нихонго|Рокуро|六郎|рокуро:}}, # {{нихонго|Ситиро|七郎|ситиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Хатиро|八郎|хатиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Куро|九郎|куро:}}, # {{нихонго|Дзюро|十郎|дзю:ро:}}, # {{нихонго|Тоитиро|十一郎|тоитиро:}} или {{нихонго|Дзюитиро|十一郎|дзю:итиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Дзюдзиро|十二郎|дзю:дзиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Тосабуро|十三郎|тосабуро:}} или {{нихонго|Дзюсабуро|十三郎|дзю:сабуро:}}. После [[Вторая мировая война|Второй мировой войны]] имена «больше» Сабуро почти вышли из употребления. Кроме указанных имён есть даже {{нихонго|Дзюсиро|十四郎|дзю:сиро:|четырнадцатый сын}} и {{нихонго|Хякуро|百郎|хякуро:|сотый сын}}: их, кроме прочих, носят актёр [[Кабуки]] [[Коноэ, Дзюсиро|Дзюсиро Коноэ]] (近衛 十四郎) и [[мангака]] [[Мурасаки, Хякуро|Хякуро Мурасаки]] (村崎 百郎). == Formalne čislovniky == [[File:Shoe Boxes (743286602).jpg|thumb|{{lang|en|[[Getabako]]}}]] As with Chinese numerals, there exists in Japanese a separate set of kanji for numerals called {{Nihongo||大字|'''daiji'''}} used in legal and financial documents to prevent unscrupulous individuals from adding a stroke or two, turning a one into a two or a three. The formal numbers are identical to the [[Chinese financial numerals|Chinese formal numbers]] except for minor stroke variations. Today, the numbers for one, two, three, and ten are written only in their formal form in legal documents (the numbers 4 to 9 as well as 100, 1000 and 10000 are written identically to the common ones, cf. table below).<ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:大正十一年大蔵省令第四十三号 (会計法規ニ基ク出納計算ノ数字及記載事項ノ訂正ニ関スル件) |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/T11/T11F03401000043.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023833/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/T11/T11F03401000043.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『第一条: 会計法規ニ基ク出納計算ニ関スル諸書類帳簿ニ記載スル金額其ノ他ノ数量ニシテ「一」、「二」、「三」、「十」、「廿」、「卅」ノ数字ハ「壱」、「弐」、「参」、「拾」、「弐拾」、「参拾」ノ字体ヲ用ユヘシ但横書ヲ為ストキハ「アラビア」数字ヲ用ユルコトヲ得』}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:戸籍法施行規則 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S22/S22F00501000094.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023839/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S22/S22F00501000094.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:「第三十一条 2: 年月日を記載するには、壱、弐、参、拾の文字を用いなければならない。」}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:小切手振出等事務取扱規程 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S26/S26F03401000020.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023849/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S26/S26F03401000020.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『附則 (昭和四〇年四月一日大蔵省令第二〇号) 2: 小切手の券面金額は、当分の間、所定の金額記載欄に、漢数字により表示することができる。この場合においては、「一」、「二」、「三」及び「十」の字体は、それぞれ「壱」、「弐」、「参」及び「拾」の漢字を用い、かつ、所定の金額記載欄の上方余白に当該金額記載欄に記載の金額と同額をアラビア数字で副記しなければならない。』}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:商業登記規則 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S39/S39F03201000023.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20090202084605/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S39/S39F03201000023.html |archive-date=2009-02-02 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『第四十八条 2: 金銭その他の物の数量、年月日及び番号を記載するには、「壱、弐、参、拾」の文字を用いなければならない。ただし、横書きをするときは、アラビヤ数字を用いることができる。』}}</ref> These numbers' common forms can be changed to a higher value by adding strokes (1 and 2 were explained above, while 3 can be changed to 5, and 10 to 1000). In some cases, the digit 1 is explicitly written like {{lang|ja|壱百壱拾}} for 110, as opposed to {{lang|ja|百十}} in common writing. Formal numbers: {| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center" ! rowspan="2" | Number ! rowspan="2" | Common ! colspan="2" | Formal |- ! In use !! Obsolete |- | align="right" | 1 || {{lang|ja|一}} || {{lang|ja|壱}} || {{lang|ja|壹}} |- | align="right" | 2 || {{lang|ja|二}} || {{lang|ja|弐}} || {{lang|ja|貳}} |- | align="right" | 3 || {{lang|ja|三}} || {{lang|ja|参}} || {{lang|ja|參}} |- | align="right" | 4 || {{lang|ja|四}} || {{lang|ja|四}} || {{lang|ja|肆}} |- | align="right" | 5 || {{lang|ja|五}} || {{lang|ja|五}} || {{lang|ja|伍}} |- | align="right" | 6 || {{lang|ja|六}} || {{lang|ja|六}} || {{lang|ja|陸}} |- | align="right" | 7 || {{lang|ja|七}} || {{lang|ja|七}} || {{lang|ja|柒}}, {{lang|ja|漆}} |- | align="right" | 8 || {{lang|ja|八}} || {{lang|ja|八}} || {{lang|ja|捌}} |- | align="right" | 9 || {{lang|ja|九}} || {{lang|ja|九}} || {{lang|ja|玖}} |- | align="right" | 10 || {{lang|ja|十}} || {{lang|ja|拾}} || {{lang|ja|拾}} |- | align="right" | 100 || {{lang|ja|百}} || {{lang|ja|百}} || {{lang|ja|佰}} |- | align="right" | 1000 || {{lang|ja|千}} || {{lang|ja|千}} || {{lang|ja|阡}}, {{lang|ja|仟}} |- | align="right" | 10000 || {{lang|ja|万}} || {{lang|ja|万}}, {{lang|ja|萬}} || {{lang|ja|萬}} |} The four current [[banknotes of the Japanese yen]], 1000-yen, 2000-yen, 5000-yen, and 10000-yen, have formal numbers {{lang|ja|千}}, {{lang|ja|弐千}}, {{lang|ja|五千}}, and {{lang|ja|壱万}}, respectively. ==V starojaponskom jezyku== [[Old Japanese]] shares some vocabulary with later periods, but there are also unique number terms over 10 which are not used any more, aside from being parts of specific [[lexeme]]s. Notes: * The transcription is based on the [[phoneme]] and is not [[phonetics|phonetic]]. See [[Old Japanese]] for further information. * See {{lang|ja|[[Jōdai Tokushu Kanazukai]]}} for information on subscript notation. <!--NOTE: Please do NOT change /h/ to /p/. The transcription is phonemic, not phonetic. While it must have been [p] at some time in the past, during the Old Japanese period it was [ɸ]. --> {| class="wikitable" ! Čislo ! Izgovor ! Priklady ! Primětky |- | align="right" | 1 | [[wiktionary:一#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|一日}} {{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂pi₁}} (1 day), {{lang|ojp|一年}} {{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂to₂se}} (1 year) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 2 | [[wiktionary:二#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|futa}}]] | {{lang|ojp|二夜}} {{lang|ojp|futayo₂}} (2 nights) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 3 | [[wiktionary:三#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|mi₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|三十}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁so₁}} (30) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 4 | [[wiktionary:四#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|yo₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|四十}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂so₁}} (40), {{lang|ojp|四人}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂tari}} (4 people) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 5 | [[wiktionary:五#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|itu}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五年}} {{lang|ojp|ituto₂se}} (5 years) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 6 | [[wiktionary:六#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|mu}}]] | {{lang|ojp|六爪}} {{lang|ojp|mutuma}} (6 claws) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 7 | [[wiktionary:七#Noun|{{lang|ojp|nana}}]] | {{lang|ojp|七瀬}} {{lang|ojp|nanase}} (many rapids) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 8 | [[wiktionary:八#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|ya}}]] | {{lang|ojp|八雲}} {{lang|ojp|yakumo₁}} (many clouds) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 9 | [[wiktionary:九#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|九柱}} {{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂pasira}} (9 nobles / gods) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 10 | [[wiktionary:十#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|to₂}}]] / [[wiktionary:十#Noun 3|{{lang|ojp|to₂wo}}]] | {{lang|ojp|十日}} {{lang|ojp|to₂woka}} (10 days) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 10 | [[wiktionary:十#Noun|{{lang|ojp|so₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|三十}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁so₁}} (30), {{lang|ojp|四十}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂so₁}} (40), {{lang|ojp|六十}} {{lang|ojp|muso₁}} (60), {{lang|ojp|八十}} {{lang|ojp|yaso₁}} (80) | Found only in compound words; not used alone. |- | align="right" | 20 | [[wiktionary:二十#Noun|{{lang|ojp|pata}}]] | {{lang|ojp|二十}} {{lang|ojp|patati}} (20), {{lang|ojp|二十人}} {{lang|ojp|patatari}} (20 people), {{lang|ojp|二十年}} {{lang|ojp|patato₂se}} (20 years) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 50 | [[wiktionary:五十|{{lang|ojp|i}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五十日}} {{lang|ojp|ika}} (50 days) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 100 | [[wiktionary:百#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|po}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五百}} {{lang|ojp|ipo}} (500), {{lang|ojp|五百年}} {{lang|ojp|ipoto₂se}} (500 years), {{lang|ojp|五百夜}} {{lang|ojp|ipoyo₂}} (500 nights), {{lang|ojp|八百}} {{lang|ojp|yapo}} (800), {{lang|ojp|三百}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁po}} (300), {{lang|ojp|六百}} {{lang|ojp|mupo}} (600), {{lang|ojp|九百}} {{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂po}} (900) | Used for multiple hundreds in compound numerals. Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 100 | [[wiktionary:百#Noun 3|{{lang|ojp|mo₁mo₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|百日}} {{lang|ojp|mo₁mo₁ka}} (many days) | Used for non-multiple hundred and for the number "100" by itself. Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 1000 | [[wiktionary:千#Noun|{{lang|ojp|ti}}]] | {{lang|ojp|千年}} {{lang|ojp|tito₂se}} (1000 years, many years) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 10000 | [[wiktionary:万#Noun|{{lang|ojp|yo₂ro₂du}}]] | {{lang|ojp|八百万}} {{lang|ojp|yapoyo₂ro₂du}} (8000000, myriad) | Often used to mean many. |} ==Sčitanje na prstah== Japanese uses separate systems for counting for oneself and for displaying numbers to others, which both proceed up to ten. For counting, one begins with the palm open, then counts up to five by curling up (folding down) the fingers, starting from the thumb – thus one has just the thumb down (and others extended), while four has only the little finger extended, and five has a fist. One then counts up to ten by proceeding in the reverse order, extending the fingers, starting at the little finger – thus six is the same as four, seven the same as three, and so forth, with ten ending with the palm open. While this introduces ambiguity, it is not used to present to others, so this is generally not a problem. When displaying for others, one starts with the hand closed, and extends fingers, starting with the index, going to the little finger, then ending with the thumb, as in the United States. For numbers above five, one uses an open hand (indicating five) and places the appropriate number of fingers from the other hand against the palm (palms facing each other) – so six has the index finger against the palm, and so forth.<ref>{{Cite web| url = http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/aa112198.htm| title = Counting on one's fingers. About.com, Japanese Language, Namiko Abe| archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20130120143955/http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/aa112198.htm |archive-date = 2013-01-20}}</ref> To display ten, one presents both hands open and palm outwards. == Zapisyvanje cifr slovami == Since the adoption of [[Arabic numerals]], it has become more and more common for numbers to be written using them. Counters and ordinal numbers are typically written in Arabic numbers, such as {{nihongo|three people|3人|san-nin}}, {{nihongo|July, "seventh-month"|7月|shichigatsu}}, {{nihongo|age 20|20歳|hatachi}}, etc., although {{lang|ja|三人}}, {{lang|ja|七月}} and {{lang|ja|二十歳}} are also acceptable to write (albeit less common). However, numbers that are part of lexemes are typically written in kanji. For example, the term {{nihongo|'vegetable stand / grocer'|八百屋|yaoya}} translates into "800 store" and uses the Old Japanese pronunciation for 800, {{lang|ojp|ya(h)o}}. The notorious Japanese organized crime syndicate, the [[yakuza]], can be written {{lang|ja|八九三}} (or 893), a hand in {{lang|en|[[Oicho-Kabu|oicho-kabu]]}} that is worth 0 points, indicating that yakuza are "worthless persons" or "gambling persons".<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://www.sljfaq.org/afaq/yakuza.html |title=What is the origin of yakuza? |website=www.sljfaq.org |access-date=2016-03-24}}</ref> ==Zrite takože== *[[Chinese numerals]] *[[Decimal separator]] *[[Japanese counter word]] *[[Japanese people]] *[[Japanese wordplay#Numeric substitution|Japanese wordplay § Numeric substitution]] == Referencije == {{Iztočniky}} ==Vnješnje linky== <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> * {{lang|ja|[http://www.moroo.com/uzokusou/misc/suumei/suumei.html 大数の名前について]}} (na japonskom jezyku) * {{Cite web |url= http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanese.html | title = Ancient Japanese number system| archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20180829030749/http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanese.html |archive-date=2018-08-29}} * [http://www.solosequenosenada.com/gramatica/japanese/Learn_Japanese_Numbers.php English exercises for learning Japanese numerals] * [https://web.archive.org/web/20090324035049/http://www.learnjapanesewordsandphrases.com/learnjapanesenumbers.html Audio to learn the pronunciation for Japanese numbers] * [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/kanjinumbers.cgi Convert kanji numerals to arabic numerals] (sci. lang. Japan FAQ page) * [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/numbers.cgi Convert arabic numerals to kanji numerals] (sci. lang. Japan FAQ page) </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese numerals|}} [[Kategorija:Čisla]] [[Kategorija:Japonsky jezyk]] [[Kategorija:Čislovniky]] {{INTERWIKI|Q1337084}} {{Kartka osoba | name = Viktor Coj | native_name = <center>{{Jezyky|ru|Виктор Цой}}</center> | image = [[Fajl:Victor Tsoi 1986.jpg|thumb|center|Viktor Coj v lětu 1986]] | alt = | caption = | birth_name = Viktor Robertovič Coj | birth_date = {{birth date|1962|6|21|df=yes}} | birth_place = [[Sankt-Peterburg|Leningrad]], [[Rosijska Sovětska Federativna Socialističska Republika|RSFSR]], [[Sovětsky Sojuz]] | death_date = {{death date and age|1990|8|15|1962|6|21|df=yes}} | death_place = [[Latvijska Sovětska Socialističska Republika|Latvijska SSR]], Sovětsky Sojuz | death_cause = Avto avarija | resting_place = Bogoslovskoje grobišče, Sankt-Peterburg | occupation = {{Flatlist| * pěvec * avtor pěsnjej * avtor muziky * aktor * avangardny umětnik }} | years_active = 1978–1990 | spouse = {{Plainlist| * Marianna Coj, od 1984 }} | children = [[Aleksandr Coj]], rod. 1985 | module = {{Kartka muzikant|embed=yes <!-- See Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians --> | background = solo_singer <!-- mandatory format: please do not change or remove --> | instrument = {{flatlist| * [[Vokal|vokal]] * [[Gitara|gitara]] * [[Bas-gitara|bas-gitara]] }} | genre = {{Flatlist| * [[Post-punk|post-pank]] * [[New wave (muzika)|nova volna]] * [[gotičny rok]] * [[Punk|pank rok]] }} | label = {{Flatlist| * [[AnTrop]] * [[Firma Melodija|Melodija]] }} | current_member_of = {{Flatlist| * [[Kino (grupa)|Kino]] * [[Avtomatičeskije udovletvoriteli]] * [[Sergej Kurjohin]] }} }} }} Tuto jest peskovišče. [[File:Nihongo.svg|thumb|right|100px| 日本語 (Japonsky jezyk)]] '''Japonsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|ja|日本語 {{!}} にほんご}} | {{-|''Nihongo'' [nʲiho̞ŋːo̞]}}) <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> </span> == Referencije == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese language|}} [[Kategorija:Jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5287}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} ole6xi3844wfxz8jtptpdey0tqajba4 27890 27885 2026-07-02T14:29:36Z Ilja isv 10 27890 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=July 2026}} {{-|''Under construction''}} {{Kartka muzikant | name = {{-|Shakira}} | image = [[Fajl:2023-11-16 Gala de los Latin Grammy, 03 (cropped)02.jpg|thumb|center|Shakira at the [[24th Annual Latin Grammy Awards|{{-|2023 Latin Grammy Awards}}]]]] | caption = Shakira at the [[24th Annual Latin Grammy Awards|{{-|2023 Latin Grammy Awards}}]] | birth_name = Shakira Isabel Mebarak Ripoll | birth_date = {{Birth date and age|df=y|1977|2|2}} | birth_place = [[Barranquilla]], Atlántico, Colombia | occupation = {{hlist|Singer|songwriter|dancer|record producer}} | organization = [[Barefoot Foundation]] | years_active = 1990–present | works = {{hlist|[[Shakira discography|Discography]]|[[List of songs recorded by Shakira|songs recorded]]|[[Shakira videography|videography]]|[[List of Shakira concerts|concerts]]|[[Shakira live performances|live performances]]}} | partner = {{unbulleted list | [[Antonio de la Rúa]] (2000–2010) | [[Gerard Piqué]] (2010–2022) }} | children = 2 | awards = {{hlist|[[List of awards and nominations received by Shakira|Awards]]|[[List of Shakira records and achievements|records]]|[[Cultural impact of Shakira|impact]]}} | website = [https://shakira.com {{-|shakira.com}}] | signature = Shakira signature, Billboard Open Letter 2016.png | module = {{Kartka muzikant |embed=yes | origin = [[Bogotá]], Colombia | instruments = {{hlist|Vocals|guitars|harmonica|drums}} | genre = <!-- Genres reliable sources most commonly categorize artist; aim for generality and two to four genres: [[Template:Kartka muzikant/doc#genre]]. --> {{hlist|[[Latin music|Latin]]|[[Pop music|pop]]|[[Dance music|dance]]|[[Rock music|rock]]}} | label = {{hlist|[[Sony Music Colombia|Sony Colombia]]|[[Epic Records|Epic]]|[[RCA Records|RCA]]|[[Sony Latin]] <!-- Note: Do not add Roc Nation as she is signed to the label for management purposes, not album and single releases. Also, please keep in alphabetical order. -->}} }} }} {{nihongo|'''Japonske čislovniky'''|数詞|sūshi}} sut [[Čislovnik (lingvistika)|čislovniky]], koristane v [[Japonsky jezyk|japonskom jezyku]]. V pismennosti oni sut jednake s [[Kitajske čislovniky|kitajskymi čislovnikami]], I velike čisla slědujut kitajskomu stilju s grupovanjem po 10,000. Koristajut se dva izgovory: Sino-Japonsko čitanje ([[On'yomi|{{lang|en|on'yomi}}]]) i Japonsko čitanje {{lang|en|[[Wago|yamato kotoba]]}} (rodne slova, {{lang|en|[[kun'yomi]]}}) [[Kitajske hieroglify|kitajskyh hieroglifov]]. ==Čisla v japonskom jezyku== Sut dva sposoby, kako pisati čisla na japonskom jezyku: [[Arabske cifry|arabskymi ciframi]] (1, 2, 3) ili [[Kitajske čislovniky|kitajskymi čislovnikami]] ({{lang|zh|一}}, {{lang|zh|二}}, {{lang|zh|三}}). Arabske čisla sut vyše često koristane pri [[Horizontalno i vertikalno pisanje v Iztočno aziatskoj pismennosti|horizontalnom pisanju]], a kitajske čisla sut vyše obyčajne pri [[Horizontalno i vertikalno pisanje v Iztočno aziatskoj pismennosti|vertikalnom pisanju]]. Věčšinstvo čisel imaje dva čitanja, kako i večšinstvo [[Kanji|kandži]], to, ktoro jest izvedeno od kitajskogo čitanja, koristaje se za redne čislovniky ([[on'yomi|čitanje {{lang|en|On}}]] ) a rodno japonsko čitanje ([[kun'yomi|čitanje {{lang|en|Kun}}]]) koristaje se nemnogo menje formalno za čisla do 10. V něktoryh slučajah (privedenyh dole), jsponsko čitanje obyčno jest preferovano za vse izkoristanja. Archaične čtanja sut označene †. {| class="wikitable nounderlines" ! Čislo ! Znak ! Čitanje {{lang|en|On}} ! Čitanje {{lang|en|Kun}}<ref>{{cite book |script-title=ja:スーパー大辞林 |trans-title=Super [[Daijirin]] |language=ja |publisher=[[Sanseidō]] }}</ref> ! Prědnostno čitanje |- | align="right" | [[0]] | {{lang|ja|零}} / {{lang|ja|〇}}{{sup|*}} | {{Nihongo||れい|rei}} | {{Nihongo||まる|maru}} | {{Nihongo||ゼロ|zero}} ([[Pozajetje (lingvistika)|pozajetje]], {{lang|en|[[Loanwords in Japanese|gairaigo]]}}) |- | align="right" | [[1]] | {{lang|ja|一}} | {{Nihongo||いち|ichi}} | {{Nihongo||ひと・つ|hito(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||いち|ichi}} |- | align="right" | [[2]] | {{lang|ja|二}} | {{Nihongo||に|ni}} | {{Nihongo||ふた・つ|futa(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||に|ni}} |- | align="right" | [[3]] | {{lang|ja|三}} | {{Nihongo||さん|san}} | {{Nihongo||みっ・つ|mit(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||さん|san}} |- | align="right" | [[4]] | {{lang|ja|四}} | {{Nihongo||し|shi}} | {{lang|en|yon}}, {{Nihongo||よん、よっ・つ|yot(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||よん|yon}} |- | align="right" | [[5]] | {{lang|ja|五}} | {{Nihongo||ご|go}} | {{Nihongo||いつ・つ|itsu(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||ご|go}} |- | align="right" | [[6]] | {{lang|ja|六}} | {{Nihongo||ろく|roku}} | {{Nihongo||むっ・つ|mut(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||ろく|roku}} |- | align="right" | [[7]] | {{lang|ja|七}} | {{Nihongo||しち|shichi}} | {{Nihongo||なな・つ|nana(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||なな|nana}} |- | align="right" | [[8]] | {{lang|ja|八}} | {{Nihongo||はち|hachi}} | {{Nihongo||やっ・つ|yat(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||はち|hachi}} |- | align="right" | [[9]] | {{lang|ja|九}} | {{lang|ja|ku}}, {{Nihongo||く, きゅう|kyū}} | {{Nihongo||ここの・つ|kokono(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||きゅう|kyū}} |- | align="right" | [[10]] | {{lang|ja|十}} | {{Nihongo||じゅう|jū}} | {{Nihongo||とお|tō}} | {{Nihongo||じゅう|jū}} |- | align="right" | [[20 (number)|20]] | {{lang|ja|二十}} | {{Nihongo||にじゅう|ni-jū}} | {{Nihongo||はた|hata}}† | {{Nihongo||にじゅう|ni-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[30 (number)|30]] | {{lang|ja|三十}} | {{Nihongo||さんじゅう|san-jū}} | {{Nihongo||みそ|miso}}† | {{Nihongo||さんじゅう|san-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[40 (number)|40]] | {{lang|ja|四十}} | {{Nihongo||しじゅう|shi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||よそ|yoso}}† | {{Nihongo||よんじゅう|yon-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[50 (number)|50]] | {{lang|ja|五十}} | {{Nihongo||ごじゅう|go-jū}} | {{Nihongo||いそ|iso}}† | {{Nihongo||ごじゅう|go-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[60 (number)|60]] | {{lang|ja|六十}} | {{Nihongo||ろくじゅう|roku-jū}} | {{Nihongo||むそ|muso}}† | {{Nihongo||ろくじゅう|roku-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[70 (number)|70]] | {{lang|ja|七十}} | {{Nihongo||しちじゅう|shichi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||ななそ|nanaso}}† | {{Nihongo||ななじゅう|nana-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[80 (number)|80]] | {{lang|ja|八十}} | {{Nihongo||はちじゅう|hachi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||やそ|yaso}}† | {{Nihongo||はちじゅう|hachi-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[90 (number)|90]] | {{lang|ja|九十}} | {{Nihongo||くじゅう|ku-jū}} | {{Nihongo||ここのそ|kokonoso}}† | {{Nihongo||きゅうじゅう|kyū-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[100]] | {{lang|ja|百}} | {{Nihongo||ひゃく|hyaku}} | {{Nihongo||もも|momo}}† | {{Nihongo||ひゃく|hyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[500 (number)|500]] | {{lang|ja|五百}} | {{Nihongo||ごひゃく|go-hyaku}} | {{Nihongo||いお|io}}† | {{Nihongo||ごひゃく|go-hyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[800 (number)|800]] | {{lang|ja|八百}} | {{Nihongo||はっぴゃく|hap-pyaku}} | {{Nihongo||やお|yao}}† | {{Nihongo||はっぴゃく|hap-pyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[1000 (number)|1,000]] | {{lang|ja|千}} | {{Nihongo||せん|sen}} | {{Nihongo||ち|chi}}† | {{Nihongo||せん|sen}} |- | align="right" | [[10,000]] | {{lang|ja|万}} | {{Nihongo||まん|man}} | {{Nihongo||よろず|yorozu}}† | {{Nihongo||まん|man}} |- | align="right" | [[100,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|億}} | {{Nihongo||おく|oku}} |— | {{Nihongo||おく|oku}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)#1012|1,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|兆}} | {{Nihongo||ちょう|chō}} |— | {{Nihongo||ちょう|chō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10,000,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|京}} | {{Nihongo||けい|kei}} |— | {{Nihongo||けい|kei}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|100,000,000,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|垓}} | {{Nihongo||がい|gai}} |— | {{Nihongo||がい|gai}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10²⁴]] | {{lang|ja|𥝱}} | {{Nihongo||じょ|jo}} |— | {{Nihongo||じょ|jo}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10²⁸]] | {{lang|ja|穣}} | {{Nihongo||じょう|jō}} |— | {{Nihongo||じょう|jō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10³²]] | {{lang|ja|溝}} | {{Nihongo||こう|kō}} |— | {{Nihongo||こう|kō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10³⁶]] | {{lang|ja|澗}} | {{Nihongo||かん|kan}} |— | {{Nihongo||かん|kan}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁰]] | {{lang|ja|正}} | {{Nihongo||せい|sei}} |— | {{Nihongo||せい|sei}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁴]] | {{lang|ja|載}} | {{Nihongo||さい|sai}} |— | {{Nihongo||さい|sai}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁸]] | {{lang|ja|極}} | {{Nihongo||ごく|goku}} |— | {{Nihongo||ごく|goku}} |} <small><nowiki>*</nowiki> Imaje se takože specialno čitanje 〇 ({{-|''maru''}}), čto označaje "krugly" ili "krug". Ono može koristati se opcionalno, kogda čitajut se odděljene cifry v nomeru jedna po jednoj, vměsto vsego čisla. Polpularnym priměrim jest [[109 (trgovy dom)|znamenity magazin "109"]] v četvrti [[Shibuya|Šibuja, Tokio]], ktory čitaje se kako {{lang|en|ichi-maru-kyū}} (Kandži: {{lang|ja|一〇九}}). (On takože može čitati se kako 'deset-devet'— izgovarjaje se {{lang|en|tō-kyū}} — čto jest igra slov s nazvanjem tokijskogo trgovogo doma, ktory vladaje budynkom.) Tuto izkoristanje {{lang|en|maru}} za čislnu 0 jest podobno poněkogdomu čitanju čisla 0 v anglijskom jezyku kako {{-| ''oh''}}. Jednakože, kako čislo, jego jedino zapisyvajut kako 0 ili {{Nihongo|零|{{-|rei}}}}. Čtovyše, dva i pet igovarjajut s dolgoju samoglaskoju v telefoničnyh nomerah (napr. {{lang|ja|にい}} {{lang|en|nī}} i {{lang|ja|ごお}} {{lang|en|gō}}). Čisla poslě {{lang|en|kei}} koristajut rědko. Tym ne menje, oni sut prědstavjene tut.</small> Kako odměčaje se vyše, {{lang|en|yon}} (4) i {{lang|en|nana}} (7) sut uprědnostnjene nad {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}}. Prědpokladaje se, že tuto jest svezano s tym, že {{lang|en|shi}} jest takože čitanjem slova 死 (smrt), čto děljae jego neščestlivym čitanjem (gledite [[tetrafobija]]); dokolě {{lang|en|shichi}} može zvučati velmi slično s {{lang|en|ichi}} (1), {{lang|en|shi}} ili {{lang|en|hachi}} (8). Jednakože, v cělom redu stanovjenyh slov i rěčenij, {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}} sut stale preferovane; tako, pri sčitanju (kako v {{lang|en|"ichi, ni, san, shi,..."}}), {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}} mogut iměti prědnost. Čislo 9 takože mněvaje se nesčestlivym; kogda izgovarjaje se {{lang|en|ku}}, ono sozvučno 苦 (stradanje). Čislo 13 poněkogda mněvaje se nesčestlivym, ale jest to kalka [[Triskaidekafobia|zapadnoj tradicije]]. Naprotiv, 7 i poněkogda 8 mněvajut se sčestlivymy u japoncev.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://lingualift.com/blog/lucky-unlucky-numbers-japan/|title=The number of death: Lucky and unlucky numbers in Japan|website=The Science of Language Self-Study {{!}} LinguaLift Blog|access-date=2016-03-24}}</ref> V sovrěmennom japonskom jezyku, redne čislovniky pomimo 4 i 7 sut obyčno koristane v čitanju {{lang|en|on}}. Alternativno čitanje byvaje v nazvah měsecev, čislah dnjev v měsecu i stalyh izrazah; napriměr, april, julij, i september nazyvajut se {{lang|en|'''shi'''-gatsu}} (4. měsec), {{lang|en|'''shichi'''-gatsu}} (7. měsec), i {{lang|en|'''ku'''-gatsu}} (9. měsec). Čitanja {{lang|en|on}} takože koristajut pri prěklikanju dlja sčitanja ljudij (nap. {{lang|en|ichi-ni-san-shi}}). Večši čisla dělajut, kombinujuči tute elementy: *desetky od 20 do 90 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-jū}}" kako od {{Nihongo|二十|{{-|ni-jū}}}} do {{Nihongo|九十|{{-|kyū-jū}}}}. *sotky od 200 do 900 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-hyaku}}". *tyseče od 2000 do 9000 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-sen}}". Počinajuči od {{Nihongo|miriady|万}}, čisla začinajut se s {{Nihongo|一|{{-|ichi}}}}, jestlu ne jest prisutna ina cifra. Tako, 100 bude prosto {{Nihongo|百|{{-|hyaku}}}}, 1000 jest prosto {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}, ale 10000 uže{{Nihongo|一万|{{-|ichiman}}}}, vměsto prosto {{lang|en|man}}. (Tuto odličaje se od [[Kitajsky jezyk|kitajskogo jezyka]], kde čisla začinajut se c {{lang|zh|一}} ako ne jest druga ina cifra prěd njeju, uže od 100.) I jestli {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}neposrědnje prědhodi nazvě kolikosti [[Miriada|miriad]], prěd {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}obyčno dodavajut {{Nihongo|一|{{-|ichi}}}}, čto davaje {{Nihongo|一千|{{-|issen}}}}. Tako, 10,000,000 (bukvalno 1000,0000) obyčno čitajut kako {{Nihongo|一千万|{{-|issenman}}}}. Ale ako {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}} ''ne'' premo prědhodi kolikosti myriad, dodavanje {{Nihongo|一|ichi}}jest opcionalno. Tako, 15,000,000 (1500,0000) čitaje se kako {{Nihongo|千五百万|sengohyakuman}} ili {{Nihongo|一千五百万|issengohyakuman}}, ravno i kako 1500 čitaje se {{Nihongo|千五百|sengohyaku}}ili {{Nihongo|一千五百|issengohyaku}}. Sut i něktore fonetične modifikacije v ozvučanju něktoryh velikyh čisel, [[Oglasovanje i obezglasovanje suglasok|oglasovanje]] ili [[gemacija]] něktoryh suglasok, kako to često byvaje v japonskom jezyku (napr. {{lang|en|[[rendaku]]}}): napr. {{lang|en|roku}} "šest" i {{lang|en|hyaku}} "sto" dělajut {{lang|en|roppyaku}} "šestsot". {| class="wikitable" ! × !! 1 !! 2 !! 3 !! 4 !! 5 !! 6 !! 7 !! 8 !! 9 !! 10 !! 100 !! 1000 |- | align="right" | 100 | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hyaku, ippyaku}} | {{lang|en|nihyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sanbyaku}} | {{lang|en|yonhyaku}} | {{lang|en|gohyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|roppyaku}} | {{lang|en|nanahyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|happyaku}} | {{lang|en|kyūhyaku}} |— |— |— |- | align="right" | 1,000 | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sen, issen}} | {{lang|en|nisen}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sanzen}} | {{lang|en|yonsen}} | {{lang|en|gosen}} | {{lang|en|rokusen}} | {{lang|en|nanasen}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hassen}} | {{lang|en|kyūsen}} | — | — | — |- | align="right" | 10{{sup|12}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|itchō}} | {{lang|en|nichō}} | {{lang|en|sanchō}} | {{lang|en|yonchō}} | {{lang|en|gochō}} | {{lang|en|rokuchō}} | {{lang|en|nanachō}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hatchō}} | {{lang|en|kyūchō}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|jutchō}}* | {{lang|en|hyakuchō}} | {{lang|en|issenchō}} |- | align="right" | 10{{sup|16}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|ikkei}} | {{lang|en|nikei}} | {{lang|en|sankei}} | {{lang|en|yonkei}} | {{lang|en|gokei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|rokkei}} | {{lang|en|nanakei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hakkei}} | {{lang|en|kyūkei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|jukkei}}* | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hyakkei}}** | {{lang|en|issenkei}} |} <small><nowiki>*</nowiki> Takože priměnjaje se k kratnym 10. Koncovka měnjaje se od {{lang|en|-jū}} na {{lang|en|-jutchō}} ili {{lang|en|-jukkei}}.<br /><nowiki>**</nowiki> Takože priměnjaje se k kratnym 100. Koncovka {{lang|en|-ku}} měnjaje se na {{lang|en|-kkei}}.</small> V čislah nad 10, elementy sut soredjene, i ne koristajut se nuly. Japonske čislovniky imajut ne pozicijnu, a multiplikativno-aditivnu sistemu; da by napisati čislo 20, trěba napisati simbol {{Nihongo|"dva"|二}}, a potom simbol {{Nihongo|"deset"|十}}, da by polučiti dvě desetky ili {{Nihongo|"dvadeset"|二十}}. {| class="wikitable" ! Čislo !! Znaky !! Čitanje !Značenje |- | align="right" | 11 || {{lang|ja|十一}} || {{lang|en|jū ichi}} |deset i jedno |- | align="right" | 17 || {{lang|ja|十七}} || {{lang|en|jū nana, jū shichi}} |deset i sedm |- | align="right" | 151 || {{lang|ja|百五十一}} || {{lang|en|hyaku go-jū ichi}} |sto, pet desetok i jedno |- | align="right" | 302 || {{lang|ja|三百二}} || {{lang|en|san-byaku ni}} |tri sta i dva |- | align="right" | 469 || {{lang|ja|四百六十九}} || {{lang|en|yon-hyaku roku-jū kyū}} |četyri, šest desetok i devet |- | align="right" | 2025 || {{lang|ja|二千二十五}} || {{lang|en|ni-sen ni-jū go}} |dva tyseče, dvě desetky i pet |} ===Čislne redky i desetične čisla=== Japonske cifry od 1 do 9 obyčno se koristajut izolovano. Redky cifr imajut slegka inako čitanje s prodolženymi samoglaskami za 2 (''nī'') i 5 (''gō''), i menje često, 4 (''shī'') i 9 (''kū''). Tako dělajut zato, že kogda prěčisljajut cifry, ako možno, oni muset byti v grupah po dvě, každa iz njih musi sostojeti točno iz četyreh [[Mora (lingvistika)|mor]], čto dělaje neobhodnym prodolženje obyčno jednomornyh cifr kako ''ni'', ''go'', ''shi'' and ''ku''.<ref name=nhk-2005-2>{{cite web|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250622082124/https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20250601_1.html|url=https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20250601_1.html|archive-date=22 June 2025|lang=ja|script-title=ja:語の読み方（語形）について数字の読み方～小数の読み方～|work=NHK Bunken|publisher=NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute|last=Yamashita|first=Yōko|last2=Fujii|first2=Madoka|date=28 February 2025|access-date=23 September 2025|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250622082259/https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20180501_4.html|url=https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20180501_4.html|archive-date=22 June 2025|date=1 May 2018|lang=ja|script-title=ja:数詞の発音とアクセント|work=NHK Bunken|publisher=NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute|last=Sakurai|first=Shigeharu|last2=Akinaga|first2=Kazue|access-date=23 September 2025|url-status=live}}</ref> Napiměr, taky redok kako '''5'''4'''2'''62 se izgovarjaje {{-|'''''gō'''-yon '''nī'''-roku ni''}}, kde prve dvě grupy sut kvadrimoraične. [[Japonsko tonalno udarjenje|Udarjenje]] pri tom padaje prědposlědnju moru kažfoj grupy, ako li to jest možlivo, odsud {{-|[ɡoː jóɴ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲiː ɾókɯ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲí]}}.<ref name=hirayama-1961>{{cite book|lang=ja|script-title=ja:全国アクセント辞典|first=Teruo|last=Hirayama|publisher=Tōkyōdō|date=25 December 1961|p=897}}</ref> Tuto pravilo takože priměnjaje se k poslědnoj cifrě celoj česti čisla i ko vsim cifram desetičnoj česti desetičnogo čisla.<ref name=nhk-2005-2/><ref name=hirayama-1961/> Napriměr, tako desetično čislo kako 25'''2'''.'''25'''5 se izgovarjaje {{-|''nihyaku gojū '''nī'''-ten '''nī-gō''' go''}} {{-|[ɲiçjakɯ́ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɡodʑɯ́ː <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲíː teɴ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲiː ɡóː <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɡó]}}, kde ''ten'' označaje "točka". ===Druge tipy čisel=== V japonskyh [[Ordinalny čislovnik|ordinalnyh čislovnikah]] koristajut modifikaciju uměstnyh sčetnyh slov, sistema ktoryh v japonskom jezyku jest dosti [[Japonske sčetne slova|komplikovana]]. Da by prěvratiti sčetno slovo (sčislovnik) v ordinalny čislovnik, ktory označaje poziciju v redu, na koncu sčislovnika dodavajut {{lang|ja|目}} {{lang|en|me}}. Tako "jedin raz" bude prěkladati se kako {{lang|ja|一回}} {{lang|en|ikkai}}, a "prvy raz" bude se prěkladati {{lang|ja|一回目}} {{lang|en|ikkaime}}. Tuto pravilo jest ale nedoslědno, ako sčislovniky bez sufiksa {{translit|ja|me}} često koristajut i v ordinalnom, i v [[Kardinalny čislovnik|kardinalnom]] smyslah. Napriměr, {{lang|ja|三階}} {{translit|ja|sangai}} može označati kako "tri etaže", tako i "tretji etaž." [[Distributivny čislovnik|Distributivne čislovniky]] obyčno stvarjajut iz kardinalnogo čislovnika, sčetnogo slova i sufiksa {{Nihongo|{{-|''-zutsu''}}|ずつ|}}, napriklad {{Nihongo|{{-|''hitori-zutsu''}}|一人ずつ|po jednoj osobě za raz, po-jedno}}. == Stupnje 10 == === Velike čisla === Vslěd kitajskoj tradiciji, velike čisla se stvarjajut grupovanjem cifr v [[Miriada|miriady]] (10,000), na razliku od zapadnyh tyseč(1,000) <div class="overflowbugx" style="overflow-x:auto;"> {| class="wikitable" !align="left"|Red |10{{sup|4}} |10{{sup|8}} |10{{sup|12}} |10{{sup|16}} |10{{sup|20}} |10{{sup|24}} |10{{sup|28}} |10{{sup|32}} |10{{sup|36}} |10{{sup|40}} |10{{sup|44}} |10{{sup|48}} |10{{sup|52}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(ili 10{{sup|56}})}}</small> |10{{sup|56}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(ili 10{{sup|64}})}}</small> |10{{sup|60}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|72}})}}</small> |10{{sup|64}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|80}})}}</small> |10{{sup|68}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|88}})}}</small> |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|万}} |{{lang|ja|億}} |{{lang|ja|兆}} |{{lang|ja|京}} |{{lang|ja|垓}} |{{lang|ja|𥝱}}, {{lang|ja|秭}} |{{lang|ja|穣}} |{{lang|ja|溝}} |{{lang|ja|澗}} |{{lang|ja|正}} |{{lang|ja|載}} |{{lang|ja|極}} |{{lang|ja|恒河沙}} |{{lang|ja|阿僧祇}} |{{lang|ja|那由他}}, {{lang|ja|那由多}} |{{lang|ja|不可思議}} |{{lang|ja|無量大数}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|en|man}} |{{lang|en|oku}} |{{lang|en|chō}} |{{lang|en|kei}} |{{lang|en|gai}} |{{lang|en|jo}}, {{lang|en|shi}} |{{lang|en|jō}} |{{lang|en|kō}} |{{lang|en|kan}} |{{lang|en|sei}} |{{lang|en|sai}} |{{lang|en|goku}} |{{lang|en|gōgasha}} |{{lang|en|asōgi}} |{{lang|en|nayuta}} |{{lang|en|fukashigi}} |{{lang|en|muryōtaisū}} |}</div> Razhoděnja sut iz-za {{Nihongo|{{-|[[Jinkōki]]}}|塵劫記|}}, najstaršego matematičnogo teksta Japonije. Originalno izdavanje bylo opublikovano v lětu 1627 i imělo mnogo grěšek, věčšinstvo ktoryh bylo izpravjeno v izdavanju 1631 goda. V lětu 1634 izšlo ješče jedno izdavanje, kde opet bylo izměnjeno několiko veličin. Vyše uvedeno razhodženje jest obuslovjeno nesuglasnostju dvoh poslědnjih izdavanij. Sut razne znaky za 10{{sup|24}} (to jest {{lang|ja|秭}} v kitajskom jezyku tutčas), i po 10{{sup|48}} oni odličajut se tym, že prodolžajut s povyšenjem faktora 10{{sup|4}} ili prěključajut se na faktor 10{{sup|8}}. Ako koristaje se faktor 10{{sup|8}}, medžuintervalne koeficienty 10{{sup|4}} zakryvajut s pomočju {{Nihongo|万|man}}. Nastoječe izdavanje {{lang|en|Jinkōki}}, 11-to, slěduje faktoru 10{{sup|4}} črez cělu sistemu, hoti něktori ljudi ješče koristajut veličiny iz 8-go izdavanja daže tutčas. Poslědnje tri čisla s mnogoslogovymi nazvanjami i razhodženjem veličin v koncu koncev izvodet se iz Indije, hoti tam oni ne iměli oprědeljennyh veličin. {{Nihongo|恒河沙||gōgasha}} prvonačelno koristalo se v budističskyh traktatah za označevanje bezměrno ogromnogo; ono proizhodi iz [[Sanskrit|sanskritskogo]] {{lang|sa|गङ्गा}} {{lang|en|gangā}} '[[Ganges|Ganga]]' (čto udobno vključaje znaky {{Nihongo|'rěka'|河|ka}} i {{Nihongo|'pěsok'|沙|sha}}, odsylajuči k neizčislimomu množstvu čestic pěska na rěkě Ganga. {{Nihongo||阿僧祇|asōgi}}, from Sanskrit {{lang|sa|असंख्येय}} {{lang|en|asaṃkhyeya}} 'uncountable/innumerable', with the negative prefix {{Nihongo||阿|a}}, and {{Nihongo||那由他|nayuta}} is from Sanskrit {{lang|sa|नयुत/नयुतः}} {{lang|en|nayuta(ḥ)}}. After that, the numbers are Buddhist terms translated into or coined in Chinese and later assigned numerical values: {{Nihongo|'unimaginable'|不可思議|fukashigi}} and {{Nihongo|'immeasurably large number'|無量大数|muryōtaisū}}. Examples: ''(spacing by groups of four digits is given only for clarity of explanation)'' *1 0000 : {{Nihongo|一万|ichi-man}} *983 6703 : {{Nihongo|九百八十三万 六千七百三|kyū-hyaku hachi-jū san-man, roku-sen nana-hyaku san}} *20 3652 1801 : {{Nihongo|二十億 三千六百五十二万 千八百一|ni-jū oku, san-zen rop-pyaku go-jū ni-man, sen hap-pyaku ichi}} However, numbers written in Arabic numerals are separated by commas every three digits following English-speaking convention. If Arabic numbers and kanji are used in combination, Western orders of magnitude may be used for numbers smaller than 10,000 (e.g. {{lang|ja|2,500万}} for 25,000,000). In Japanese, when long numbers are written out in kanji, zeros are omitted for all powers of ten. Hence 4002 is {{lang|ja|四千二}} (in contrast, Chinese requires the use of {{lang|zh|零}} wherever a zero appears, e.g. {{lang|zh|四千零二}} for 4002). However, when reading out a statement of accounts, for example, the skipped digit or digits are sometimes indicated by {{Nihongo|飛び|tobi}} or {{Nihongo|飛んで|tonde}}): e.g. {{lang|ja|yon-sen '''tobi''' ni}} or {{lang|en|yon-sen '''tonde''' ni}} instead of the normal {{lang|en|yon-sen ni}}. === Drobne čisla === Japanese has two systems of numerals for decimal fractions. They are no longer in general use, but are still used in some instances such as batting and fielding averages of baseball players, winning percentages for sports teams, and in some idiomatic phrases such as 五分五分の勝負 ({{-|''gobugobu no shōbu''}}, 'fifty-fifty chance'}}, and when representing a rate or discount. The {{lang|en|bu}} fractions are also used when talking about fevers—for example {{Nihongo|九度二分|kudonibu}} for 9 and two parts—referring to the temperature 39.2°C. One system is as follows: {| class="wikitable" !align=left|Red |10{{sup|−1}} |10{{sup|−2}} |10{{sup|−3}} |10{{sup|−4}} |10{{sup|−5}} |10{{sup|−6}} |10{{sup|−7}} |10{{sup|−8}} |10{{sup|−9}} |10{{sup|−10}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|分}} |{{lang|ja|厘}} |{{lang|ja|毛}} |{{lang|ja|糸}} |{{lang|ja|忽}} |{{lang|ja|微}} |{{lang|ja|繊}} |{{lang|ja|沙}} |{{lang|ja|塵}} |{{lang|ja|埃}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|jen|bu}} |{{lang|en|rin}} |{{lang|en|mō}} |{{lang|en|shi}} |{{lang|en|kotsu}} |{{lang|en|bi}} |{{lang|en|sen}} |{{lang|en|sha}} |{{lang|en|jin}} |{{lang|en|ai}} |} This is the system used with the traditional [[Japanese units of measurement]]. Several of the names are used "as is" to represent a fraction of a [[cun (unit)|{{lang|en|sun}}]]. The other system of representing these decimal fractions of rate or discount uses a system "shifted down" with a {{lang|ja|bu}} becoming a "one hundredth" and so on, and the unit for "tenth" becoming {{lang|ja|wari}}: {| class="wikitable" !align=left|Red |10{{sup|−1}} |10{{sup|−2}} |10{{sup|−3}} |10{{sup|−4}} |10{{sup|−5}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|割}} |{{lang|ja|分}} |{{lang|ja|厘}} |{{lang|ja|毛}} |{{lang|ja|糸}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|en|wari}} |{{lang|en|bu}} |{{lang|en|rin}} |{{lang|en|mō}} |{{lang|en|shi}} |} This is often used with prices. For example: *{{Nihongo|一割五分引き|ichi-wari go-bu biki}}: 15% discount *{{Nihongo|打率三割八分九厘|daritsu san-wari hachi-bu kyū-rin}}: batting average .389 With the exception of {{lang|ja|wari}}, these are rarely seen in modern usage. Decimal fractions are typically written with either kanji numerals (vertically) or Arabic numerals (horizontally), preceded by a decimal point, and are read as successive digits, as in Western convention. Note that, in written form, they can be combined with either the traditional system of expressing numerals (42.195 kilometers: {{lang|ja|四十二・一九五 キロメートル}}), in which powers of ten are written, or with the place value system, which uses zero (50.04 percent: {{lang|ja|五〇・〇四 パーセント.}}) In both cases, however, the reading follows the traditional system ({{lang|ja|yon-jū ni-ten ichi-kyū go kiromētoru}} for 42.195 kilometers; {{lang|ja|go ju-tten rei-yon pāsento}} for 50.04 percent.) == В именах == Существуют имена {{нихонго|[[Millennium Actress|Тиёко]]|千代子||дословно «тысяча лет» (женское)}}, {{нихонго|Тидзуру|千鶴||дословно «тысяча [[Японский журавль|журавлей]]» (женское)}}, {{нихонго|Тикао|千禾夫||дословно «муж — тысяча колосьев»}}, фамилия {{нихонго|Титака|千鷹||дословно «тысяча соколов»}}. Одна из японских префектур называется {{нихонго|[[Тиба (префектура)|Тиба]]|千葉||дословно «тысяча листьев»}}. В [[аниме]] «[[Унесённые призраками]]» обыгрывается неоднозначность прочтения иероглифа 千 — «сэн» или «ти»: имя главной героини — {{нихонго|Тихиро|千尋||дословно «тысяча [[Японская система мер#Меры длины|хиро]]», «бездонная глубина»}}; колдунья «забирает» имя у Тихиро, оставляя ей только один иероглиф и меняя его прочтение. Отныне Тихиро зовётся {{нихонго|Сэн|千||тысяча}}. Кроме того, есть последовательность мужских имён, которыми называют детей по порядку рождения: # {{нихонго|Итиро|一郎|итиро:|первый сын}}, # {{нихонго|Дзиро|二郎|дзиро:|второй сын}}, # {{нихонго|Сабуро|三郎|сабуро:}}, # {{нихонго|Сиро|四郎|сиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Горо|五郎|горо:}}, # {{нихонго|Рокуро|六郎|рокуро:}}, # {{нихонго|Ситиро|七郎|ситиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Хатиро|八郎|хатиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Куро|九郎|куро:}}, # {{нихонго|Дзюро|十郎|дзю:ро:}}, # {{нихонго|Тоитиро|十一郎|тоитиро:}} или {{нихонго|Дзюитиро|十一郎|дзю:итиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Дзюдзиро|十二郎|дзю:дзиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Тосабуро|十三郎|тосабуро:}} или {{нихонго|Дзюсабуро|十三郎|дзю:сабуро:}}. После [[Вторая мировая война|Второй мировой войны]] имена «больше» Сабуро почти вышли из употребления. Кроме указанных имён есть даже {{нихонго|Дзюсиро|十四郎|дзю:сиро:|четырнадцатый сын}} и {{нихонго|Хякуро|百郎|хякуро:|сотый сын}}: их, кроме прочих, носят актёр [[Кабуки]] [[Коноэ, Дзюсиро|Дзюсиро Коноэ]] (近衛 十四郎) и [[мангака]] [[Мурасаки, Хякуро|Хякуро Мурасаки]] (村崎 百郎). == Formalne čislovniky == [[File:Shoe Boxes (743286602).jpg|thumb|{{lang|en|[[Getabako]]}}]] As with Chinese numerals, there exists in Japanese a separate set of kanji for numerals called {{Nihongo||大字|'''daiji'''}} used in legal and financial documents to prevent unscrupulous individuals from adding a stroke or two, turning a one into a two or a three. The formal numbers are identical to the [[Chinese financial numerals|Chinese formal numbers]] except for minor stroke variations. Today, the numbers for one, two, three, and ten are written only in their formal form in legal documents (the numbers 4 to 9 as well as 100, 1000 and 10000 are written identically to the common ones, cf. table below).<ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:大正十一年大蔵省令第四十三号 (会計法規ニ基ク出納計算ノ数字及記載事項ノ訂正ニ関スル件) |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/T11/T11F03401000043.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023833/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/T11/T11F03401000043.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『第一条: 会計法規ニ基ク出納計算ニ関スル諸書類帳簿ニ記載スル金額其ノ他ノ数量ニシテ「一」、「二」、「三」、「十」、「廿」、「卅」ノ数字ハ「壱」、「弐」、「参」、「拾」、「弐拾」、「参拾」ノ字体ヲ用ユヘシ但横書ヲ為ストキハ「アラビア」数字ヲ用ユルコトヲ得』}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:戸籍法施行規則 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S22/S22F00501000094.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023839/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S22/S22F00501000094.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:「第三十一条 2: 年月日を記載するには、壱、弐、参、拾の文字を用いなければならない。」}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:小切手振出等事務取扱規程 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S26/S26F03401000020.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023849/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S26/S26F03401000020.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『附則 (昭和四〇年四月一日大蔵省令第二〇号) 2: 小切手の券面金額は、当分の間、所定の金額記載欄に、漢数字により表示することができる。この場合においては、「一」、「二」、「三」及び「十」の字体は、それぞれ「壱」、「弐」、「参」及び「拾」の漢字を用い、かつ、所定の金額記載欄の上方余白に当該金額記載欄に記載の金額と同額をアラビア数字で副記しなければならない。』}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:商業登記規則 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S39/S39F03201000023.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20090202084605/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S39/S39F03201000023.html |archive-date=2009-02-02 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『第四十八条 2: 金銭その他の物の数量、年月日及び番号を記載するには、「壱、弐、参、拾」の文字を用いなければならない。ただし、横書きをするときは、アラビヤ数字を用いることができる。』}}</ref> These numbers' common forms can be changed to a higher value by adding strokes (1 and 2 were explained above, while 3 can be changed to 5, and 10 to 1000). In some cases, the digit 1 is explicitly written like {{lang|ja|壱百壱拾}} for 110, as opposed to {{lang|ja|百十}} in common writing. Formal numbers: {| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center" ! rowspan="2" | Number ! rowspan="2" | Common ! colspan="2" | Formal |- ! In use !! Obsolete |- | align="right" | 1 || {{lang|ja|一}} || {{lang|ja|壱}} || {{lang|ja|壹}} |- | align="right" | 2 || {{lang|ja|二}} || {{lang|ja|弐}} || {{lang|ja|貳}} |- | align="right" | 3 || {{lang|ja|三}} || {{lang|ja|参}} || {{lang|ja|參}} |- | align="right" | 4 || {{lang|ja|四}} || {{lang|ja|四}} || {{lang|ja|肆}} |- | align="right" | 5 || {{lang|ja|五}} || {{lang|ja|五}} || {{lang|ja|伍}} |- | align="right" | 6 || {{lang|ja|六}} || {{lang|ja|六}} || {{lang|ja|陸}} |- | align="right" | 7 || {{lang|ja|七}} || {{lang|ja|七}} || {{lang|ja|柒}}, {{lang|ja|漆}} |- | align="right" | 8 || {{lang|ja|八}} || {{lang|ja|八}} || {{lang|ja|捌}} |- | align="right" | 9 || {{lang|ja|九}} || {{lang|ja|九}} || {{lang|ja|玖}} |- | align="right" | 10 || {{lang|ja|十}} || {{lang|ja|拾}} || {{lang|ja|拾}} |- | align="right" | 100 || {{lang|ja|百}} || {{lang|ja|百}} || {{lang|ja|佰}} |- | align="right" | 1000 || {{lang|ja|千}} || {{lang|ja|千}} || {{lang|ja|阡}}, {{lang|ja|仟}} |- | align="right" | 10000 || {{lang|ja|万}} || {{lang|ja|万}}, {{lang|ja|萬}} || {{lang|ja|萬}} |} The four current [[banknotes of the Japanese yen]], 1000-yen, 2000-yen, 5000-yen, and 10000-yen, have formal numbers {{lang|ja|千}}, {{lang|ja|弐千}}, {{lang|ja|五千}}, and {{lang|ja|壱万}}, respectively. ==V starojaponskom jezyku== [[Old Japanese]] shares some vocabulary with later periods, but there are also unique number terms over 10 which are not used any more, aside from being parts of specific [[lexeme]]s. Notes: * The transcription is based on the [[phoneme]] and is not [[phonetics|phonetic]]. See [[Old Japanese]] for further information. * See {{lang|ja|[[Jōdai Tokushu Kanazukai]]}} for information on subscript notation. <!--NOTE: Please do NOT change /h/ to /p/. The transcription is phonemic, not phonetic. While it must have been [p] at some time in the past, during the Old Japanese period it was [ɸ]. --> {| class="wikitable" ! Čislo ! Izgovor ! Priklady ! Primětky |- | align="right" | 1 | [[wiktionary:一#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|一日}} {{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂pi₁}} (1 day), {{lang|ojp|一年}} {{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂to₂se}} (1 year) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 2 | [[wiktionary:二#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|futa}}]] | {{lang|ojp|二夜}} {{lang|ojp|futayo₂}} (2 nights) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 3 | [[wiktionary:三#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|mi₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|三十}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁so₁}} (30) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 4 | [[wiktionary:四#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|yo₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|四十}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂so₁}} (40), {{lang|ojp|四人}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂tari}} (4 people) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 5 | [[wiktionary:五#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|itu}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五年}} {{lang|ojp|ituto₂se}} (5 years) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 6 | [[wiktionary:六#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|mu}}]] | {{lang|ojp|六爪}} {{lang|ojp|mutuma}} (6 claws) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 7 | [[wiktionary:七#Noun|{{lang|ojp|nana}}]] | {{lang|ojp|七瀬}} {{lang|ojp|nanase}} (many rapids) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 8 | [[wiktionary:八#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|ya}}]] | {{lang|ojp|八雲}} {{lang|ojp|yakumo₁}} (many clouds) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 9 | [[wiktionary:九#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|九柱}} {{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂pasira}} (9 nobles / gods) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 10 | [[wiktionary:十#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|to₂}}]] / [[wiktionary:十#Noun 3|{{lang|ojp|to₂wo}}]] | {{lang|ojp|十日}} {{lang|ojp|to₂woka}} (10 days) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 10 | [[wiktionary:十#Noun|{{lang|ojp|so₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|三十}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁so₁}} (30), {{lang|ojp|四十}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂so₁}} (40), {{lang|ojp|六十}} {{lang|ojp|muso₁}} (60), {{lang|ojp|八十}} {{lang|ojp|yaso₁}} (80) | Found only in compound words; not used alone. |- | align="right" | 20 | [[wiktionary:二十#Noun|{{lang|ojp|pata}}]] | {{lang|ojp|二十}} {{lang|ojp|patati}} (20), {{lang|ojp|二十人}} {{lang|ojp|patatari}} (20 people), {{lang|ojp|二十年}} {{lang|ojp|patato₂se}} (20 years) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 50 | [[wiktionary:五十|{{lang|ojp|i}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五十日}} {{lang|ojp|ika}} (50 days) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 100 | [[wiktionary:百#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|po}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五百}} {{lang|ojp|ipo}} (500), {{lang|ojp|五百年}} {{lang|ojp|ipoto₂se}} (500 years), {{lang|ojp|五百夜}} {{lang|ojp|ipoyo₂}} (500 nights), {{lang|ojp|八百}} {{lang|ojp|yapo}} (800), {{lang|ojp|三百}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁po}} (300), {{lang|ojp|六百}} {{lang|ojp|mupo}} (600), {{lang|ojp|九百}} {{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂po}} (900) | Used for multiple hundreds in compound numerals. Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 100 | [[wiktionary:百#Noun 3|{{lang|ojp|mo₁mo₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|百日}} {{lang|ojp|mo₁mo₁ka}} (many days) | Used for non-multiple hundred and for the number "100" by itself. Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 1000 | [[wiktionary:千#Noun|{{lang|ojp|ti}}]] | {{lang|ojp|千年}} {{lang|ojp|tito₂se}} (1000 years, many years) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 10000 | [[wiktionary:万#Noun|{{lang|ojp|yo₂ro₂du}}]] | {{lang|ojp|八百万}} {{lang|ojp|yapoyo₂ro₂du}} (8000000, myriad) | Often used to mean many. |} ==Sčitanje na prstah== Japanese uses separate systems for counting for oneself and for displaying numbers to others, which both proceed up to ten. For counting, one begins with the palm open, then counts up to five by curling up (folding down) the fingers, starting from the thumb – thus one has just the thumb down (and others extended), while four has only the little finger extended, and five has a fist. One then counts up to ten by proceeding in the reverse order, extending the fingers, starting at the little finger – thus six is the same as four, seven the same as three, and so forth, with ten ending with the palm open. While this introduces ambiguity, it is not used to present to others, so this is generally not a problem. When displaying for others, one starts with the hand closed, and extends fingers, starting with the index, going to the little finger, then ending with the thumb, as in the United States. For numbers above five, one uses an open hand (indicating five) and places the appropriate number of fingers from the other hand against the palm (palms facing each other) – so six has the index finger against the palm, and so forth.<ref>{{Cite web| url = http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/aa112198.htm| title = Counting on one's fingers. About.com, Japanese Language, Namiko Abe| archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20130120143955/http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/aa112198.htm |archive-date = 2013-01-20}}</ref> To display ten, one presents both hands open and palm outwards. == Zapisyvanje cifr slovami == Since the adoption of [[Arabic numerals]], it has become more and more common for numbers to be written using them. Counters and ordinal numbers are typically written in Arabic numbers, such as {{nihongo|three people|3人|san-nin}}, {{nihongo|July, "seventh-month"|7月|shichigatsu}}, {{nihongo|age 20|20歳|hatachi}}, etc., although {{lang|ja|三人}}, {{lang|ja|七月}} and {{lang|ja|二十歳}} are also acceptable to write (albeit less common). However, numbers that are part of lexemes are typically written in kanji. For example, the term {{nihongo|'vegetable stand / grocer'|八百屋|yaoya}} translates into "800 store" and uses the Old Japanese pronunciation for 800, {{lang|ojp|ya(h)o}}. The notorious Japanese organized crime syndicate, the [[yakuza]], can be written {{lang|ja|八九三}} (or 893), a hand in {{lang|en|[[Oicho-Kabu|oicho-kabu]]}} that is worth 0 points, indicating that yakuza are "worthless persons" or "gambling persons".<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://www.sljfaq.org/afaq/yakuza.html |title=What is the origin of yakuza? |website=www.sljfaq.org |access-date=2016-03-24}}</ref> ==Zrite takože== *[[Chinese numerals]] *[[Decimal separator]] *[[Japanese counter word]] *[[Japanese people]] *[[Japanese wordplay#Numeric substitution|Japanese wordplay § Numeric substitution]] == Referencije == {{Iztočniky}} ==Vnješnje linky== <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> * {{lang|ja|[http://www.moroo.com/uzokusou/misc/suumei/suumei.html 大数の名前について]}} (na japonskom jezyku) * {{Cite web |url= http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanese.html | title = Ancient Japanese number system| archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20180829030749/http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanese.html |archive-date=2018-08-29}} * [http://www.solosequenosenada.com/gramatica/japanese/Learn_Japanese_Numbers.php English exercises for learning Japanese numerals] * [https://web.archive.org/web/20090324035049/http://www.learnjapanesewordsandphrases.com/learnjapanesenumbers.html Audio to learn the pronunciation for Japanese numbers] * [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/kanjinumbers.cgi Convert kanji numerals to arabic numerals] (sci. lang. Japan FAQ page) * [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/numbers.cgi Convert arabic numerals to kanji numerals] (sci. lang. Japan FAQ page) </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese numerals|}} [[Kategorija:Čisla]] [[Kategorija:Japonsky jezyk]] [[Kategorija:Čislovniky]] {{INTERWIKI|Q1337084}} {{Kartka osoba | name = Viktor Coj | native_name = <center>{{Jezyky|ru|Виктор Цой}}</center> | image = [[Fajl:Victor Tsoi 1986.jpg|thumb|center|Viktor Coj v lětu 1986]] | alt = | caption = | birth_name = Viktor Robertovič Coj | birth_date = {{birth date|1962|6|21|df=yes}} | birth_place = [[Sankt-Peterburg|Leningrad]], [[Rosijska Sovětska Federativna Socialističska Republika|RSFSR]], [[Sovětsky Sojuz]] | death_date = {{death date and age|1990|8|15|1962|6|21|df=yes}} | death_place = [[Latvijska Sovětska Socialističska Republika|Latvijska SSR]], Sovětsky Sojuz | death_cause = Avto avarija | resting_place = Bogoslovskoje grobišče, Sankt-Peterburg | occupation = {{Flatlist| * pěvec * avtor pěsnjej * avtor muziky * aktor * avangardny umětnik }} | years_active = 1978–1990 | spouse = {{Plainlist| * Marianna Coj, od 1984 }} | children = [[Aleksandr Coj]], rod. 1985 | module = {{Kartka muzikant|embed=yes <!-- See Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians --> | background = solo_singer <!-- mandatory format: please do not change or remove --> | instrument = {{flatlist| * [[Vokal|vokal]] * [[Gitara|gitara]] * [[Bas-gitara|bas-gitara]] }} | genre = {{Flatlist| * [[Post-punk|post-pank]] * [[New wave (muzika)|nova volna]] * [[gotičny rok]] * [[Punk|pank rok]] }} | label = {{Flatlist| * [[AnTrop]] * [[Firma Melodija|Melodija]] }} | current_member_of = {{Flatlist| * [[Kino (grupa)|Kino]] * [[Avtomatičeskije udovletvoriteli]] * [[Sergej Kurjohin]] }} }} }} Tuto jest peskovišče. [[File:Nihongo.svg|thumb|right|100px| 日本語 (Japonsky jezyk)]] '''Japonsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|ja|日本語 {{!}} にほんご}} | {{-|''Nihongo'' [nʲiho̞ŋːo̞]}}) <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> </span> == Referencije == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese language|}} [[Kategorija:Jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5287}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} otiavg73n2y7gn2fha9s723mawrr2r0 27892 27890 2026-07-02T14:33:24Z Ilja isv 10 27892 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=July 2026}} {{-|''Under construction''}} {{Kartka muzikant | name = {{-|Shakira}} | image = 2023-11-16 Gala de los Latin Grammy, 03 (cropped)02.jpg | caption = Shakira at the [[24th Annual Latin Grammy Awards|{{-|2023 Latin Grammy Awards}}]] | birth_name = Shakira Isabel Mebarak Ripoll | birth_date = {{Birth date and age|df=y|1977|2|2}} | birth_place = [[Barranquilla]], Atlántico, Colombia | occupation = {{hlist|Singer|songwriter|dancer|record producer}} | organization = [[Barefoot Foundation]] | years_active = 1990–present | works = {{hlist|[[Shakira discography|Discography]]|[[List of songs recorded by Shakira|songs recorded]]|[[Shakira videography|videography]]|[[List of Shakira concerts|concerts]]|[[Shakira live performances|live performances]]}} | partner = {{unbulleted list | [[Antonio de la Rúa]] (2000–2010) | [[Gerard Piqué]] (2010–2022) }} | children = 2 | awards = {{hlist|[[List of awards and nominations received by Shakira|Awards]]|[[List of Shakira records and achievements|records]]|[[Cultural impact of Shakira|impact]]}} | website = [https://shakira.com {{-|shakira.com}}] | signature = Shakira signature, Billboard Open Letter 2016.png | module = {{Kartka muzikant |embed=yes | origin = [[Bogotá]], Colombia | instruments = {{hlist|Vocals|guitars|harmonica|drums}} | genre = <!-- Genres reliable sources most commonly categorize artist; aim for generality and two to four genres: [[Template:Kartka muzikant/doc#genre]]. --> {{hlist|[[Latin music|Latin]]|[[Pop music|pop]]|[[Dance music|dance]]|[[Rock music|rock]]}} | label = {{hlist|[[Sony Music Colombia|Sony Colombia]]|[[Epic Records|Epic]]|[[RCA Records|RCA]]|[[Sony Latin]] <!-- Note: Do not add Roc Nation as she is signed to the label for management purposes, not album and single releases. Also, please keep in alphabetical order. -->}} }} }} {{nihongo|'''Japonske čislovniky'''|数詞|sūshi}} sut [[Čislovnik (lingvistika)|čislovniky]], koristane v [[Japonsky jezyk|japonskom jezyku]]. V pismennosti oni sut jednake s [[Kitajske čislovniky|kitajskymi čislovnikami]], I velike čisla slědujut kitajskomu stilju s grupovanjem po 10,000. Koristajut se dva izgovory: Sino-Japonsko čitanje ([[On'yomi|{{lang|en|on'yomi}}]]) i Japonsko čitanje {{lang|en|[[Wago|yamato kotoba]]}} (rodne slova, {{lang|en|[[kun'yomi]]}}) [[Kitajske hieroglify|kitajskyh hieroglifov]]. ==Čisla v japonskom jezyku== Sut dva sposoby, kako pisati čisla na japonskom jezyku: [[Arabske cifry|arabskymi ciframi]] (1, 2, 3) ili [[Kitajske čislovniky|kitajskymi čislovnikami]] ({{lang|zh|一}}, {{lang|zh|二}}, {{lang|zh|三}}). Arabske čisla sut vyše često koristane pri [[Horizontalno i vertikalno pisanje v Iztočno aziatskoj pismennosti|horizontalnom pisanju]], a kitajske čisla sut vyše obyčajne pri [[Horizontalno i vertikalno pisanje v Iztočno aziatskoj pismennosti|vertikalnom pisanju]]. Věčšinstvo čisel imaje dva čitanja, kako i večšinstvo [[Kanji|kandži]], to, ktoro jest izvedeno od kitajskogo čitanja, koristaje se za redne čislovniky ([[on'yomi|čitanje {{lang|en|On}}]] ) a rodno japonsko čitanje ([[kun'yomi|čitanje {{lang|en|Kun}}]]) koristaje se nemnogo menje formalno za čisla do 10. V něktoryh slučajah (privedenyh dole), jsponsko čitanje obyčno jest preferovano za vse izkoristanja. Archaične čtanja sut označene †. {| class="wikitable nounderlines" ! Čislo ! Znak ! Čitanje {{lang|en|On}} ! Čitanje {{lang|en|Kun}}<ref>{{cite book |script-title=ja:スーパー大辞林 |trans-title=Super [[Daijirin]] |language=ja |publisher=[[Sanseidō]] }}</ref> ! Prědnostno čitanje |- | align="right" | [[0]] | {{lang|ja|零}} / {{lang|ja|〇}}{{sup|*}} | {{Nihongo||れい|rei}} | {{Nihongo||まる|maru}} | {{Nihongo||ゼロ|zero}} ([[Pozajetje (lingvistika)|pozajetje]], {{lang|en|[[Loanwords in Japanese|gairaigo]]}}) |- | align="right" | [[1]] | {{lang|ja|一}} | {{Nihongo||いち|ichi}} | {{Nihongo||ひと・つ|hito(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||いち|ichi}} |- | align="right" | [[2]] | {{lang|ja|二}} | {{Nihongo||に|ni}} | {{Nihongo||ふた・つ|futa(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||に|ni}} |- | align="right" | [[3]] | {{lang|ja|三}} | {{Nihongo||さん|san}} | {{Nihongo||みっ・つ|mit(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||さん|san}} |- | align="right" | [[4]] | {{lang|ja|四}} | {{Nihongo||し|shi}} | {{lang|en|yon}}, {{Nihongo||よん、よっ・つ|yot(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||よん|yon}} |- | align="right" | [[5]] | {{lang|ja|五}} | {{Nihongo||ご|go}} | {{Nihongo||いつ・つ|itsu(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||ご|go}} |- | align="right" | [[6]] | {{lang|ja|六}} | {{Nihongo||ろく|roku}} | {{Nihongo||むっ・つ|mut(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||ろく|roku}} |- | align="right" | [[7]] | {{lang|ja|七}} | {{Nihongo||しち|shichi}} | {{Nihongo||なな・つ|nana(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||なな|nana}} |- | align="right" | [[8]] | {{lang|ja|八}} | {{Nihongo||はち|hachi}} | {{Nihongo||やっ・つ|yat(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||はち|hachi}} |- | align="right" | [[9]] | {{lang|ja|九}} | {{lang|ja|ku}}, {{Nihongo||く, きゅう|kyū}} | {{Nihongo||ここの・つ|kokono(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||きゅう|kyū}} |- | align="right" | [[10]] | {{lang|ja|十}} | {{Nihongo||じゅう|jū}} | {{Nihongo||とお|tō}} | {{Nihongo||じゅう|jū}} |- | align="right" | [[20 (number)|20]] | {{lang|ja|二十}} | {{Nihongo||にじゅう|ni-jū}} | {{Nihongo||はた|hata}}† | {{Nihongo||にじゅう|ni-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[30 (number)|30]] | {{lang|ja|三十}} | {{Nihongo||さんじゅう|san-jū}} | {{Nihongo||みそ|miso}}† | {{Nihongo||さんじゅう|san-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[40 (number)|40]] | {{lang|ja|四十}} | {{Nihongo||しじゅう|shi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||よそ|yoso}}† | {{Nihongo||よんじゅう|yon-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[50 (number)|50]] | {{lang|ja|五十}} | {{Nihongo||ごじゅう|go-jū}} | {{Nihongo||いそ|iso}}† | {{Nihongo||ごじゅう|go-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[60 (number)|60]] | {{lang|ja|六十}} | {{Nihongo||ろくじゅう|roku-jū}} | {{Nihongo||むそ|muso}}† | {{Nihongo||ろくじゅう|roku-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[70 (number)|70]] | {{lang|ja|七十}} | {{Nihongo||しちじゅう|shichi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||ななそ|nanaso}}† | {{Nihongo||ななじゅう|nana-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[80 (number)|80]] | {{lang|ja|八十}} | {{Nihongo||はちじゅう|hachi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||やそ|yaso}}† | {{Nihongo||はちじゅう|hachi-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[90 (number)|90]] | {{lang|ja|九十}} | {{Nihongo||くじゅう|ku-jū}} | {{Nihongo||ここのそ|kokonoso}}† | {{Nihongo||きゅうじゅう|kyū-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[100]] | {{lang|ja|百}} | {{Nihongo||ひゃく|hyaku}} | {{Nihongo||もも|momo}}† | {{Nihongo||ひゃく|hyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[500 (number)|500]] | {{lang|ja|五百}} | {{Nihongo||ごひゃく|go-hyaku}} | {{Nihongo||いお|io}}† | {{Nihongo||ごひゃく|go-hyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[800 (number)|800]] | {{lang|ja|八百}} | {{Nihongo||はっぴゃく|hap-pyaku}} | {{Nihongo||やお|yao}}† | {{Nihongo||はっぴゃく|hap-pyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[1000 (number)|1,000]] | {{lang|ja|千}} | {{Nihongo||せん|sen}} | {{Nihongo||ち|chi}}† | {{Nihongo||せん|sen}} |- | align="right" | [[10,000]] | {{lang|ja|万}} | {{Nihongo||まん|man}} | {{Nihongo||よろず|yorozu}}† | {{Nihongo||まん|man}} |- | align="right" | [[100,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|億}} | {{Nihongo||おく|oku}} |— | {{Nihongo||おく|oku}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)#1012|1,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|兆}} | {{Nihongo||ちょう|chō}} |— | {{Nihongo||ちょう|chō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10,000,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|京}} | {{Nihongo||けい|kei}} |— | {{Nihongo||けい|kei}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|100,000,000,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|垓}} | {{Nihongo||がい|gai}} |— | {{Nihongo||がい|gai}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10²⁴]] | {{lang|ja|𥝱}} | {{Nihongo||じょ|jo}} |— | {{Nihongo||じょ|jo}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10²⁸]] | {{lang|ja|穣}} | {{Nihongo||じょう|jō}} |— | {{Nihongo||じょう|jō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10³²]] | {{lang|ja|溝}} | {{Nihongo||こう|kō}} |— | {{Nihongo||こう|kō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10³⁶]] | {{lang|ja|澗}} | {{Nihongo||かん|kan}} |— | {{Nihongo||かん|kan}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁰]] | {{lang|ja|正}} | {{Nihongo||せい|sei}} |— | {{Nihongo||せい|sei}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁴]] | {{lang|ja|載}} | {{Nihongo||さい|sai}} |— | {{Nihongo||さい|sai}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁸]] | {{lang|ja|極}} | {{Nihongo||ごく|goku}} |— | {{Nihongo||ごく|goku}} |} <small><nowiki>*</nowiki> Imaje se takože specialno čitanje 〇 ({{-|''maru''}}), čto označaje "krugly" ili "krug". Ono može koristati se opcionalno, kogda čitajut se odděljene cifry v nomeru jedna po jednoj, vměsto vsego čisla. Polpularnym priměrim jest [[109 (trgovy dom)|znamenity magazin "109"]] v četvrti [[Shibuya|Šibuja, Tokio]], ktory čitaje se kako {{lang|en|ichi-maru-kyū}} (Kandži: {{lang|ja|一〇九}}). (On takože može čitati se kako 'deset-devet'— izgovarjaje se {{lang|en|tō-kyū}} — čto jest igra slov s nazvanjem tokijskogo trgovogo doma, ktory vladaje budynkom.) Tuto izkoristanje {{lang|en|maru}} za čislnu 0 jest podobno poněkogdomu čitanju čisla 0 v anglijskom jezyku kako {{-| ''oh''}}. Jednakože, kako čislo, jego jedino zapisyvajut kako 0 ili {{Nihongo|零|{{-|rei}}}}. Čtovyše, dva i pet igovarjajut s dolgoju samoglaskoju v telefoničnyh nomerah (napr. {{lang|ja|にい}} {{lang|en|nī}} i {{lang|ja|ごお}} {{lang|en|gō}}). Čisla poslě {{lang|en|kei}} koristajut rědko. Tym ne menje, oni sut prědstavjene tut.</small> Kako odměčaje se vyše, {{lang|en|yon}} (4) i {{lang|en|nana}} (7) sut uprědnostnjene nad {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}}. Prědpokladaje se, že tuto jest svezano s tym, že {{lang|en|shi}} jest takože čitanjem slova 死 (smrt), čto děljae jego neščestlivym čitanjem (gledite [[tetrafobija]]); dokolě {{lang|en|shichi}} može zvučati velmi slično s {{lang|en|ichi}} (1), {{lang|en|shi}} ili {{lang|en|hachi}} (8). Jednakože, v cělom redu stanovjenyh slov i rěčenij, {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}} sut stale preferovane; tako, pri sčitanju (kako v {{lang|en|"ichi, ni, san, shi,..."}}), {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}} mogut iměti prědnost. Čislo 9 takože mněvaje se nesčestlivym; kogda izgovarjaje se {{lang|en|ku}}, ono sozvučno 苦 (stradanje). Čislo 13 poněkogda mněvaje se nesčestlivym, ale jest to kalka [[Triskaidekafobia|zapadnoj tradicije]]. Naprotiv, 7 i poněkogda 8 mněvajut se sčestlivymy u japoncev.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://lingualift.com/blog/lucky-unlucky-numbers-japan/|title=The number of death: Lucky and unlucky numbers in Japan|website=The Science of Language Self-Study {{!}} LinguaLift Blog|access-date=2016-03-24}}</ref> V sovrěmennom japonskom jezyku, redne čislovniky pomimo 4 i 7 sut obyčno koristane v čitanju {{lang|en|on}}. Alternativno čitanje byvaje v nazvah měsecev, čislah dnjev v měsecu i stalyh izrazah; napriměr, april, julij, i september nazyvajut se {{lang|en|'''shi'''-gatsu}} (4. měsec), {{lang|en|'''shichi'''-gatsu}} (7. měsec), i {{lang|en|'''ku'''-gatsu}} (9. měsec). Čitanja {{lang|en|on}} takože koristajut pri prěklikanju dlja sčitanja ljudij (nap. {{lang|en|ichi-ni-san-shi}}). Večši čisla dělajut, kombinujuči tute elementy: *desetky od 20 do 90 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-jū}}" kako od {{Nihongo|二十|{{-|ni-jū}}}} do {{Nihongo|九十|{{-|kyū-jū}}}}. *sotky od 200 do 900 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-hyaku}}". *tyseče od 2000 do 9000 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-sen}}". Počinajuči od {{Nihongo|miriady|万}}, čisla začinajut se s {{Nihongo|一|{{-|ichi}}}}, jestlu ne jest prisutna ina cifra. Tako, 100 bude prosto {{Nihongo|百|{{-|hyaku}}}}, 1000 jest prosto {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}, ale 10000 uže{{Nihongo|一万|{{-|ichiman}}}}, vměsto prosto {{lang|en|man}}. (Tuto odličaje se od [[Kitajsky jezyk|kitajskogo jezyka]], kde čisla začinajut se c {{lang|zh|一}} ako ne jest druga ina cifra prěd njeju, uže od 100.) I jestli {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}neposrědnje prědhodi nazvě kolikosti [[Miriada|miriad]], prěd {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}obyčno dodavajut {{Nihongo|一|{{-|ichi}}}}, čto davaje {{Nihongo|一千|{{-|issen}}}}. Tako, 10,000,000 (bukvalno 1000,0000) obyčno čitajut kako {{Nihongo|一千万|{{-|issenman}}}}. Ale ako {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}} ''ne'' premo prědhodi kolikosti myriad, dodavanje {{Nihongo|一|ichi}}jest opcionalno. Tako, 15,000,000 (1500,0000) čitaje se kako {{Nihongo|千五百万|sengohyakuman}} ili {{Nihongo|一千五百万|issengohyakuman}}, ravno i kako 1500 čitaje se {{Nihongo|千五百|sengohyaku}}ili {{Nihongo|一千五百|issengohyaku}}. Sut i něktore fonetične modifikacije v ozvučanju něktoryh velikyh čisel, [[Oglasovanje i obezglasovanje suglasok|oglasovanje]] ili [[gemacija]] něktoryh suglasok, kako to često byvaje v japonskom jezyku (napr. {{lang|en|[[rendaku]]}}): napr. {{lang|en|roku}} "šest" i {{lang|en|hyaku}} "sto" dělajut {{lang|en|roppyaku}} "šestsot". {| class="wikitable" ! × !! 1 !! 2 !! 3 !! 4 !! 5 !! 6 !! 7 !! 8 !! 9 !! 10 !! 100 !! 1000 |- | align="right" | 100 | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hyaku, ippyaku}} | {{lang|en|nihyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sanbyaku}} | {{lang|en|yonhyaku}} | {{lang|en|gohyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|roppyaku}} | {{lang|en|nanahyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|happyaku}} | {{lang|en|kyūhyaku}} |— |— |— |- | align="right" | 1,000 | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sen, issen}} | {{lang|en|nisen}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sanzen}} | {{lang|en|yonsen}} | {{lang|en|gosen}} | {{lang|en|rokusen}} | {{lang|en|nanasen}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hassen}} | {{lang|en|kyūsen}} | — | — | — |- | align="right" | 10{{sup|12}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|itchō}} | {{lang|en|nichō}} | {{lang|en|sanchō}} | {{lang|en|yonchō}} | {{lang|en|gochō}} | {{lang|en|rokuchō}} | {{lang|en|nanachō}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hatchō}} | {{lang|en|kyūchō}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|jutchō}}* | {{lang|en|hyakuchō}} | {{lang|en|issenchō}} |- | align="right" | 10{{sup|16}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|ikkei}} | {{lang|en|nikei}} | {{lang|en|sankei}} | {{lang|en|yonkei}} | {{lang|en|gokei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|rokkei}} | {{lang|en|nanakei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hakkei}} | {{lang|en|kyūkei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|jukkei}}* | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hyakkei}}** | {{lang|en|issenkei}} |} <small><nowiki>*</nowiki> Takože priměnjaje se k kratnym 10. Koncovka měnjaje se od {{lang|en|-jū}} na {{lang|en|-jutchō}} ili {{lang|en|-jukkei}}.<br /><nowiki>**</nowiki> Takože priměnjaje se k kratnym 100. Koncovka {{lang|en|-ku}} měnjaje se na {{lang|en|-kkei}}.</small> V čislah nad 10, elementy sut soredjene, i ne koristajut se nuly. Japonske čislovniky imajut ne pozicijnu, a multiplikativno-aditivnu sistemu; da by napisati čislo 20, trěba napisati simbol {{Nihongo|"dva"|二}}, a potom simbol {{Nihongo|"deset"|十}}, da by polučiti dvě desetky ili {{Nihongo|"dvadeset"|二十}}. {| class="wikitable" ! Čislo !! Znaky !! Čitanje !Značenje |- | align="right" | 11 || {{lang|ja|十一}} || {{lang|en|jū ichi}} |deset i jedno |- | align="right" | 17 || {{lang|ja|十七}} || {{lang|en|jū nana, jū shichi}} |deset i sedm |- | align="right" | 151 || {{lang|ja|百五十一}} || {{lang|en|hyaku go-jū ichi}} |sto, pet desetok i jedno |- | align="right" | 302 || {{lang|ja|三百二}} || {{lang|en|san-byaku ni}} |tri sta i dva |- | align="right" | 469 || {{lang|ja|四百六十九}} || {{lang|en|yon-hyaku roku-jū kyū}} |četyri, šest desetok i devet |- | align="right" | 2025 || {{lang|ja|二千二十五}} || {{lang|en|ni-sen ni-jū go}} |dva tyseče, dvě desetky i pet |} ===Čislne redky i desetične čisla=== Japonske cifry od 1 do 9 obyčno se koristajut izolovano. Redky cifr imajut slegka inako čitanje s prodolženymi samoglaskami za 2 (''nī'') i 5 (''gō''), i menje često, 4 (''shī'') i 9 (''kū''). Tako dělajut zato, že kogda prěčisljajut cifry, ako možno, oni muset byti v grupah po dvě, každa iz njih musi sostojeti točno iz četyreh [[Mora (lingvistika)|mor]], čto dělaje neobhodnym prodolženje obyčno jednomornyh cifr kako ''ni'', ''go'', ''shi'' and ''ku''.<ref name=nhk-2005-2>{{cite web|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250622082124/https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20250601_1.html|url=https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20250601_1.html|archive-date=22 June 2025|lang=ja|script-title=ja:語の読み方（語形）について数字の読み方～小数の読み方～|work=NHK Bunken|publisher=NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute|last=Yamashita|first=Yōko|last2=Fujii|first2=Madoka|date=28 February 2025|access-date=23 September 2025|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250622082259/https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20180501_4.html|url=https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20180501_4.html|archive-date=22 June 2025|date=1 May 2018|lang=ja|script-title=ja:数詞の発音とアクセント|work=NHK Bunken|publisher=NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute|last=Sakurai|first=Shigeharu|last2=Akinaga|first2=Kazue|access-date=23 September 2025|url-status=live}}</ref> Napiměr, taky redok kako '''5'''4'''2'''62 se izgovarjaje {{-|'''''gō'''-yon '''nī'''-roku ni''}}, kde prve dvě grupy sut kvadrimoraične. [[Japonsko tonalno udarjenje|Udarjenje]] pri tom padaje prědposlědnju moru kažfoj grupy, ako li to jest možlivo, odsud {{-|[ɡoː jóɴ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲiː ɾókɯ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲí]}}.<ref name=hirayama-1961>{{cite book|lang=ja|script-title=ja:全国アクセント辞典|first=Teruo|last=Hirayama|publisher=Tōkyōdō|date=25 December 1961|p=897}}</ref> Tuto pravilo takože priměnjaje se k poslědnoj cifrě celoj česti čisla i ko vsim cifram desetičnoj česti desetičnogo čisla.<ref name=nhk-2005-2/><ref name=hirayama-1961/> Napriměr, tako desetično čislo kako 25'''2'''.'''25'''5 se izgovarjaje {{-|''nihyaku gojū '''nī'''-ten '''nī-gō''' go''}} {{-|[ɲiçjakɯ́ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɡodʑɯ́ː <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲíː teɴ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲiː ɡóː <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɡó]}}, kde ''ten'' označaje "točka". ===Druge tipy čisel=== V japonskyh [[Ordinalny čislovnik|ordinalnyh čislovnikah]] koristajut modifikaciju uměstnyh sčetnyh slov, sistema ktoryh v japonskom jezyku jest dosti [[Japonske sčetne slova|komplikovana]]. Da by prěvratiti sčetno slovo (sčislovnik) v ordinalny čislovnik, ktory označaje poziciju v redu, na koncu sčislovnika dodavajut {{lang|ja|目}} {{lang|en|me}}. Tako "jedin raz" bude prěkladati se kako {{lang|ja|一回}} {{lang|en|ikkai}}, a "prvy raz" bude se prěkladati {{lang|ja|一回目}} {{lang|en|ikkaime}}. Tuto pravilo jest ale nedoslědno, ako sčislovniky bez sufiksa {{translit|ja|me}} često koristajut i v ordinalnom, i v [[Kardinalny čislovnik|kardinalnom]] smyslah. Napriměr, {{lang|ja|三階}} {{translit|ja|sangai}} može označati kako "tri etaže", tako i "tretji etaž." [[Distributivny čislovnik|Distributivne čislovniky]] obyčno stvarjajut iz kardinalnogo čislovnika, sčetnogo slova i sufiksa {{Nihongo|{{-|''-zutsu''}}|ずつ|}}, napriklad {{Nihongo|{{-|''hitori-zutsu''}}|一人ずつ|po jednoj osobě za raz, po-jedno}}. == Stupnje 10 == === Velike čisla === Vslěd kitajskoj tradiciji, velike čisla se stvarjajut grupovanjem cifr v [[Miriada|miriady]] (10,000), na razliku od zapadnyh tyseč(1,000) <div class="overflowbugx" style="overflow-x:auto;"> {| class="wikitable" !align="left"|Red |10{{sup|4}} |10{{sup|8}} |10{{sup|12}} |10{{sup|16}} |10{{sup|20}} |10{{sup|24}} |10{{sup|28}} |10{{sup|32}} |10{{sup|36}} |10{{sup|40}} |10{{sup|44}} |10{{sup|48}} |10{{sup|52}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(ili 10{{sup|56}})}}</small> |10{{sup|56}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(ili 10{{sup|64}})}}</small> |10{{sup|60}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|72}})}}</small> |10{{sup|64}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|80}})}}</small> |10{{sup|68}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|88}})}}</small> |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|万}} |{{lang|ja|億}} |{{lang|ja|兆}} |{{lang|ja|京}} |{{lang|ja|垓}} |{{lang|ja|𥝱}}, {{lang|ja|秭}} |{{lang|ja|穣}} |{{lang|ja|溝}} |{{lang|ja|澗}} |{{lang|ja|正}} |{{lang|ja|載}} |{{lang|ja|極}} |{{lang|ja|恒河沙}} |{{lang|ja|阿僧祇}} |{{lang|ja|那由他}}, {{lang|ja|那由多}} |{{lang|ja|不可思議}} |{{lang|ja|無量大数}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|en|man}} |{{lang|en|oku}} |{{lang|en|chō}} |{{lang|en|kei}} |{{lang|en|gai}} |{{lang|en|jo}}, {{lang|en|shi}} |{{lang|en|jō}} |{{lang|en|kō}} |{{lang|en|kan}} |{{lang|en|sei}} |{{lang|en|sai}} |{{lang|en|goku}} |{{lang|en|gōgasha}} |{{lang|en|asōgi}} |{{lang|en|nayuta}} |{{lang|en|fukashigi}} |{{lang|en|muryōtaisū}} |}</div> Razhoděnja sut iz-za {{Nihongo|{{-|[[Jinkōki]]}}|塵劫記|}}, najstaršego matematičnogo teksta Japonije. Originalno izdavanje bylo opublikovano v lětu 1627 i imělo mnogo grěšek, věčšinstvo ktoryh bylo izpravjeno v izdavanju 1631 goda. V lětu 1634 izšlo ješče jedno izdavanje, kde opet bylo izměnjeno několiko veličin. Vyše uvedeno razhodženje jest obuslovjeno nesuglasnostju dvoh poslědnjih izdavanij. Sut razne znaky za 10{{sup|24}} (to jest {{lang|ja|秭}} v kitajskom jezyku tutčas), i po 10{{sup|48}} oni odličajut se tym, že prodolžajut s povyšenjem faktora 10{{sup|4}} ili prěključajut se na faktor 10{{sup|8}}. Ako koristaje se faktor 10{{sup|8}}, medžuintervalne koeficienty 10{{sup|4}} zakryvajut s pomočju {{Nihongo|万|man}}. Nastoječe izdavanje {{lang|en|Jinkōki}}, 11-to, slěduje faktoru 10{{sup|4}} črez cělu sistemu, hoti něktori ljudi ješče koristajut veličiny iz 8-go izdavanja daže tutčas. Poslědnje tri čisla s mnogoslogovymi nazvanjami i razhodženjem veličin v koncu koncev izvodet se iz Indije, hoti tam oni ne iměli oprědeljennyh veličin. {{Nihongo|恒河沙||gōgasha}} prvonačelno koristalo se v budističskyh traktatah za označevanje bezměrno ogromnogo; ono proizhodi iz [[Sanskrit|sanskritskogo]] {{lang|sa|गङ्गा}} {{lang|en|gangā}} '[[Ganges|Ganga]]' (čto udobno vključaje znaky {{Nihongo|'rěka'|河|ka}} i {{Nihongo|'pěsok'|沙|sha}}, odsylajuči k neizčislimomu množstvu čestic pěska na rěkě Ganga. {{Nihongo||阿僧祇|asōgi}}, from Sanskrit {{lang|sa|असंख्येय}} {{lang|en|asaṃkhyeya}} 'uncountable/innumerable', with the negative prefix {{Nihongo||阿|a}}, and {{Nihongo||那由他|nayuta}} is from Sanskrit {{lang|sa|नयुत/नयुतः}} {{lang|en|nayuta(ḥ)}}. After that, the numbers are Buddhist terms translated into or coined in Chinese and later assigned numerical values: {{Nihongo|'unimaginable'|不可思議|fukashigi}} and {{Nihongo|'immeasurably large number'|無量大数|muryōtaisū}}. Examples: ''(spacing by groups of four digits is given only for clarity of explanation)'' *1 0000 : {{Nihongo|一万|ichi-man}} *983 6703 : {{Nihongo|九百八十三万 六千七百三|kyū-hyaku hachi-jū san-man, roku-sen nana-hyaku san}} *20 3652 1801 : {{Nihongo|二十億 三千六百五十二万 千八百一|ni-jū oku, san-zen rop-pyaku go-jū ni-man, sen hap-pyaku ichi}} However, numbers written in Arabic numerals are separated by commas every three digits following English-speaking convention. If Arabic numbers and kanji are used in combination, Western orders of magnitude may be used for numbers smaller than 10,000 (e.g. {{lang|ja|2,500万}} for 25,000,000). In Japanese, when long numbers are written out in kanji, zeros are omitted for all powers of ten. Hence 4002 is {{lang|ja|四千二}} (in contrast, Chinese requires the use of {{lang|zh|零}} wherever a zero appears, e.g. {{lang|zh|四千零二}} for 4002). However, when reading out a statement of accounts, for example, the skipped digit or digits are sometimes indicated by {{Nihongo|飛び|tobi}} or {{Nihongo|飛んで|tonde}}): e.g. {{lang|ja|yon-sen '''tobi''' ni}} or {{lang|en|yon-sen '''tonde''' ni}} instead of the normal {{lang|en|yon-sen ni}}. === Drobne čisla === Japanese has two systems of numerals for decimal fractions. They are no longer in general use, but are still used in some instances such as batting and fielding averages of baseball players, winning percentages for sports teams, and in some idiomatic phrases such as 五分五分の勝負 ({{-|''gobugobu no shōbu''}}, 'fifty-fifty chance'}}, and when representing a rate or discount. The {{lang|en|bu}} fractions are also used when talking about fevers—for example {{Nihongo|九度二分|kudonibu}} for 9 and two parts—referring to the temperature 39.2°C. One system is as follows: {| class="wikitable" !align=left|Red |10{{sup|−1}} |10{{sup|−2}} |10{{sup|−3}} |10{{sup|−4}} |10{{sup|−5}} |10{{sup|−6}} |10{{sup|−7}} |10{{sup|−8}} |10{{sup|−9}} |10{{sup|−10}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|分}} |{{lang|ja|厘}} |{{lang|ja|毛}} |{{lang|ja|糸}} |{{lang|ja|忽}} |{{lang|ja|微}} |{{lang|ja|繊}} |{{lang|ja|沙}} |{{lang|ja|塵}} |{{lang|ja|埃}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|jen|bu}} |{{lang|en|rin}} |{{lang|en|mō}} |{{lang|en|shi}} |{{lang|en|kotsu}} |{{lang|en|bi}} |{{lang|en|sen}} |{{lang|en|sha}} |{{lang|en|jin}} |{{lang|en|ai}} |} This is the system used with the traditional [[Japanese units of measurement]]. Several of the names are used "as is" to represent a fraction of a [[cun (unit)|{{lang|en|sun}}]]. The other system of representing these decimal fractions of rate or discount uses a system "shifted down" with a {{lang|ja|bu}} becoming a "one hundredth" and so on, and the unit for "tenth" becoming {{lang|ja|wari}}: {| class="wikitable" !align=left|Red |10{{sup|−1}} |10{{sup|−2}} |10{{sup|−3}} |10{{sup|−4}} |10{{sup|−5}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|割}} |{{lang|ja|分}} |{{lang|ja|厘}} |{{lang|ja|毛}} |{{lang|ja|糸}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|en|wari}} |{{lang|en|bu}} |{{lang|en|rin}} |{{lang|en|mō}} |{{lang|en|shi}} |} This is often used with prices. For example: *{{Nihongo|一割五分引き|ichi-wari go-bu biki}}: 15% discount *{{Nihongo|打率三割八分九厘|daritsu san-wari hachi-bu kyū-rin}}: batting average .389 With the exception of {{lang|ja|wari}}, these are rarely seen in modern usage. Decimal fractions are typically written with either kanji numerals (vertically) or Arabic numerals (horizontally), preceded by a decimal point, and are read as successive digits, as in Western convention. Note that, in written form, they can be combined with either the traditional system of expressing numerals (42.195 kilometers: {{lang|ja|四十二・一九五 キロメートル}}), in which powers of ten are written, or with the place value system, which uses zero (50.04 percent: {{lang|ja|五〇・〇四 パーセント.}}) In both cases, however, the reading follows the traditional system ({{lang|ja|yon-jū ni-ten ichi-kyū go kiromētoru}} for 42.195 kilometers; {{lang|ja|go ju-tten rei-yon pāsento}} for 50.04 percent.) == В именах == Существуют имена {{нихонго|[[Millennium Actress|Тиёко]]|千代子||дословно «тысяча лет» (женское)}}, {{нихонго|Тидзуру|千鶴||дословно «тысяча [[Японский журавль|журавлей]]» (женское)}}, {{нихонго|Тикао|千禾夫||дословно «муж — тысяча колосьев»}}, фамилия {{нихонго|Титака|千鷹||дословно «тысяча соколов»}}. Одна из японских префектур называется {{нихонго|[[Тиба (префектура)|Тиба]]|千葉||дословно «тысяча листьев»}}. В [[аниме]] «[[Унесённые призраками]]» обыгрывается неоднозначность прочтения иероглифа 千 — «сэн» или «ти»: имя главной героини — {{нихонго|Тихиро|千尋||дословно «тысяча [[Японская система мер#Меры длины|хиро]]», «бездонная глубина»}}; колдунья «забирает» имя у Тихиро, оставляя ей только один иероглиф и меняя его прочтение. Отныне Тихиро зовётся {{нихонго|Сэн|千||тысяча}}. Кроме того, есть последовательность мужских имён, которыми называют детей по порядку рождения: # {{нихонго|Итиро|一郎|итиро:|первый сын}}, # {{нихонго|Дзиро|二郎|дзиро:|второй сын}}, # {{нихонго|Сабуро|三郎|сабуро:}}, # {{нихонго|Сиро|四郎|сиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Горо|五郎|горо:}}, # {{нихонго|Рокуро|六郎|рокуро:}}, # {{нихонго|Ситиро|七郎|ситиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Хатиро|八郎|хатиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Куро|九郎|куро:}}, # {{нихонго|Дзюро|十郎|дзю:ро:}}, # {{нихонго|Тоитиро|十一郎|тоитиро:}} или {{нихонго|Дзюитиро|十一郎|дзю:итиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Дзюдзиро|十二郎|дзю:дзиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Тосабуро|十三郎|тосабуро:}} или {{нихонго|Дзюсабуро|十三郎|дзю:сабуро:}}. После [[Вторая мировая война|Второй мировой войны]] имена «больше» Сабуро почти вышли из употребления. Кроме указанных имён есть даже {{нихонго|Дзюсиро|十四郎|дзю:сиро:|четырнадцатый сын}} и {{нихонго|Хякуро|百郎|хякуро:|сотый сын}}: их, кроме прочих, носят актёр [[Кабуки]] [[Коноэ, Дзюсиро|Дзюсиро Коноэ]] (近衛 十四郎) и [[мангака]] [[Мурасаки, Хякуро|Хякуро Мурасаки]] (村崎 百郎). == Formalne čislovniky == [[File:Shoe Boxes (743286602).jpg|thumb|{{lang|en|[[Getabako]]}}]] As with Chinese numerals, there exists in Japanese a separate set of kanji for numerals called {{Nihongo||大字|'''daiji'''}} used in legal and financial documents to prevent unscrupulous individuals from adding a stroke or two, turning a one into a two or a three. The formal numbers are identical to the [[Chinese financial numerals|Chinese formal numbers]] except for minor stroke variations. Today, the numbers for one, two, three, and ten are written only in their formal form in legal documents (the numbers 4 to 9 as well as 100, 1000 and 10000 are written identically to the common ones, cf. table below).<ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:大正十一年大蔵省令第四十三号 (会計法規ニ基ク出納計算ノ数字及記載事項ノ訂正ニ関スル件) |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/T11/T11F03401000043.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023833/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/T11/T11F03401000043.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『第一条: 会計法規ニ基ク出納計算ニ関スル諸書類帳簿ニ記載スル金額其ノ他ノ数量ニシテ「一」、「二」、「三」、「十」、「廿」、「卅」ノ数字ハ「壱」、「弐」、「参」、「拾」、「弐拾」、「参拾」ノ字体ヲ用ユヘシ但横書ヲ為ストキハ「アラビア」数字ヲ用ユルコトヲ得』}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:戸籍法施行規則 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S22/S22F00501000094.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023839/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S22/S22F00501000094.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:「第三十一条 2: 年月日を記載するには、壱、弐、参、拾の文字を用いなければならない。」}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:小切手振出等事務取扱規程 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S26/S26F03401000020.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023849/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S26/S26F03401000020.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『附則 (昭和四〇年四月一日大蔵省令第二〇号) 2: 小切手の券面金額は、当分の間、所定の金額記載欄に、漢数字により表示することができる。この場合においては、「一」、「二」、「三」及び「十」の字体は、それぞれ「壱」、「弐」、「参」及び「拾」の漢字を用い、かつ、所定の金額記載欄の上方余白に当該金額記載欄に記載の金額と同額をアラビア数字で副記しなければならない。』}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:商業登記規則 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S39/S39F03201000023.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20090202084605/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S39/S39F03201000023.html |archive-date=2009-02-02 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『第四十八条 2: 金銭その他の物の数量、年月日及び番号を記載するには、「壱、弐、参、拾」の文字を用いなければならない。ただし、横書きをするときは、アラビヤ数字を用いることができる。』}}</ref> These numbers' common forms can be changed to a higher value by adding strokes (1 and 2 were explained above, while 3 can be changed to 5, and 10 to 1000). In some cases, the digit 1 is explicitly written like {{lang|ja|壱百壱拾}} for 110, as opposed to {{lang|ja|百十}} in common writing. Formal numbers: {| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center" ! rowspan="2" | Number ! rowspan="2" | Common ! colspan="2" | Formal |- ! In use !! Obsolete |- | align="right" | 1 || {{lang|ja|一}} || {{lang|ja|壱}} || {{lang|ja|壹}} |- | align="right" | 2 || {{lang|ja|二}} || {{lang|ja|弐}} || {{lang|ja|貳}} |- | align="right" | 3 || {{lang|ja|三}} || {{lang|ja|参}} || {{lang|ja|參}} |- | align="right" | 4 || {{lang|ja|四}} || {{lang|ja|四}} || {{lang|ja|肆}} |- | align="right" | 5 || {{lang|ja|五}} || {{lang|ja|五}} || {{lang|ja|伍}} |- | align="right" | 6 || {{lang|ja|六}} || {{lang|ja|六}} || {{lang|ja|陸}} |- | align="right" | 7 || {{lang|ja|七}} || {{lang|ja|七}} || {{lang|ja|柒}}, {{lang|ja|漆}} |- | align="right" | 8 || {{lang|ja|八}} || {{lang|ja|八}} || {{lang|ja|捌}} |- | align="right" | 9 || {{lang|ja|九}} || {{lang|ja|九}} || {{lang|ja|玖}} |- | align="right" | 10 || {{lang|ja|十}} || {{lang|ja|拾}} || {{lang|ja|拾}} |- | align="right" | 100 || {{lang|ja|百}} || {{lang|ja|百}} || {{lang|ja|佰}} |- | align="right" | 1000 || {{lang|ja|千}} || {{lang|ja|千}} || {{lang|ja|阡}}, {{lang|ja|仟}} |- | align="right" | 10000 || {{lang|ja|万}} || {{lang|ja|万}}, {{lang|ja|萬}} || {{lang|ja|萬}} |} The four current [[banknotes of the Japanese yen]], 1000-yen, 2000-yen, 5000-yen, and 10000-yen, have formal numbers {{lang|ja|千}}, {{lang|ja|弐千}}, {{lang|ja|五千}}, and {{lang|ja|壱万}}, respectively. ==V starojaponskom jezyku== [[Old Japanese]] shares some vocabulary with later periods, but there are also unique number terms over 10 which are not used any more, aside from being parts of specific [[lexeme]]s. Notes: * The transcription is based on the [[phoneme]] and is not [[phonetics|phonetic]]. See [[Old Japanese]] for further information. * See {{lang|ja|[[Jōdai Tokushu Kanazukai]]}} for information on subscript notation. <!--NOTE: Please do NOT change /h/ to /p/. The transcription is phonemic, not phonetic. While it must have been [p] at some time in the past, during the Old Japanese period it was [ɸ]. --> {| class="wikitable" ! Čislo ! Izgovor ! Priklady ! Primětky |- | align="right" | 1 | [[wiktionary:一#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|一日}} {{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂pi₁}} (1 day), {{lang|ojp|一年}} {{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂to₂se}} (1 year) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 2 | [[wiktionary:二#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|futa}}]] | {{lang|ojp|二夜}} {{lang|ojp|futayo₂}} (2 nights) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 3 | [[wiktionary:三#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|mi₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|三十}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁so₁}} (30) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 4 | [[wiktionary:四#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|yo₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|四十}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂so₁}} (40), {{lang|ojp|四人}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂tari}} (4 people) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 5 | [[wiktionary:五#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|itu}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五年}} {{lang|ojp|ituto₂se}} (5 years) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 6 | [[wiktionary:六#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|mu}}]] | {{lang|ojp|六爪}} {{lang|ojp|mutuma}} (6 claws) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 7 | [[wiktionary:七#Noun|{{lang|ojp|nana}}]] | {{lang|ojp|七瀬}} {{lang|ojp|nanase}} (many rapids) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 8 | [[wiktionary:八#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|ya}}]] | {{lang|ojp|八雲}} {{lang|ojp|yakumo₁}} (many clouds) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 9 | [[wiktionary:九#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|九柱}} {{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂pasira}} (9 nobles / gods) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 10 | [[wiktionary:十#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|to₂}}]] / [[wiktionary:十#Noun 3|{{lang|ojp|to₂wo}}]] | {{lang|ojp|十日}} {{lang|ojp|to₂woka}} (10 days) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 10 | [[wiktionary:十#Noun|{{lang|ojp|so₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|三十}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁so₁}} (30), {{lang|ojp|四十}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂so₁}} (40), {{lang|ojp|六十}} {{lang|ojp|muso₁}} (60), {{lang|ojp|八十}} {{lang|ojp|yaso₁}} (80) | Found only in compound words; not used alone. |- | align="right" | 20 | [[wiktionary:二十#Noun|{{lang|ojp|pata}}]] | {{lang|ojp|二十}} {{lang|ojp|patati}} (20), {{lang|ojp|二十人}} {{lang|ojp|patatari}} (20 people), {{lang|ojp|二十年}} {{lang|ojp|patato₂se}} (20 years) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 50 | [[wiktionary:五十|{{lang|ojp|i}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五十日}} {{lang|ojp|ika}} (50 days) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 100 | [[wiktionary:百#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|po}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五百}} {{lang|ojp|ipo}} (500), {{lang|ojp|五百年}} {{lang|ojp|ipoto₂se}} (500 years), {{lang|ojp|五百夜}} {{lang|ojp|ipoyo₂}} (500 nights), {{lang|ojp|八百}} {{lang|ojp|yapo}} (800), {{lang|ojp|三百}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁po}} (300), {{lang|ojp|六百}} {{lang|ojp|mupo}} (600), {{lang|ojp|九百}} {{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂po}} (900) | Used for multiple hundreds in compound numerals. Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 100 | [[wiktionary:百#Noun 3|{{lang|ojp|mo₁mo₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|百日}} {{lang|ojp|mo₁mo₁ka}} (many days) | Used for non-multiple hundred and for the number "100" by itself. Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 1000 | [[wiktionary:千#Noun|{{lang|ojp|ti}}]] | {{lang|ojp|千年}} {{lang|ojp|tito₂se}} (1000 years, many years) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 10000 | [[wiktionary:万#Noun|{{lang|ojp|yo₂ro₂du}}]] | {{lang|ojp|八百万}} {{lang|ojp|yapoyo₂ro₂du}} (8000000, myriad) | Often used to mean many. |} ==Sčitanje na prstah== Japanese uses separate systems for counting for oneself and for displaying numbers to others, which both proceed up to ten. For counting, one begins with the palm open, then counts up to five by curling up (folding down) the fingers, starting from the thumb – thus one has just the thumb down (and others extended), while four has only the little finger extended, and five has a fist. One then counts up to ten by proceeding in the reverse order, extending the fingers, starting at the little finger – thus six is the same as four, seven the same as three, and so forth, with ten ending with the palm open. While this introduces ambiguity, it is not used to present to others, so this is generally not a problem. When displaying for others, one starts with the hand closed, and extends fingers, starting with the index, going to the little finger, then ending with the thumb, as in the United States. For numbers above five, one uses an open hand (indicating five) and places the appropriate number of fingers from the other hand against the palm (palms facing each other) – so six has the index finger against the palm, and so forth.<ref>{{Cite web| url = http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/aa112198.htm| title = Counting on one's fingers. About.com, Japanese Language, Namiko Abe| archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20130120143955/http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/aa112198.htm |archive-date = 2013-01-20}}</ref> To display ten, one presents both hands open and palm outwards. == Zapisyvanje cifr slovami == Since the adoption of [[Arabic numerals]], it has become more and more common for numbers to be written using them. Counters and ordinal numbers are typically written in Arabic numbers, such as {{nihongo|three people|3人|san-nin}}, {{nihongo|July, "seventh-month"|7月|shichigatsu}}, {{nihongo|age 20|20歳|hatachi}}, etc., although {{lang|ja|三人}}, {{lang|ja|七月}} and {{lang|ja|二十歳}} are also acceptable to write (albeit less common). However, numbers that are part of lexemes are typically written in kanji. For example, the term {{nihongo|'vegetable stand / grocer'|八百屋|yaoya}} translates into "800 store" and uses the Old Japanese pronunciation for 800, {{lang|ojp|ya(h)o}}. The notorious Japanese organized crime syndicate, the [[yakuza]], can be written {{lang|ja|八九三}} (or 893), a hand in {{lang|en|[[Oicho-Kabu|oicho-kabu]]}} that is worth 0 points, indicating that yakuza are "worthless persons" or "gambling persons".<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://www.sljfaq.org/afaq/yakuza.html |title=What is the origin of yakuza? |website=www.sljfaq.org |access-date=2016-03-24}}</ref> ==Zrite takože== *[[Chinese numerals]] *[[Decimal separator]] *[[Japanese counter word]] *[[Japanese people]] *[[Japanese wordplay#Numeric substitution|Japanese wordplay § Numeric substitution]] == Referencije == {{Iztočniky}} ==Vnješnje linky== <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> * {{lang|ja|[http://www.moroo.com/uzokusou/misc/suumei/suumei.html 大数の名前について]}} (na japonskom jezyku) * {{Cite web |url= http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanese.html | title = Ancient Japanese number system| archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20180829030749/http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanese.html |archive-date=2018-08-29}} * [http://www.solosequenosenada.com/gramatica/japanese/Learn_Japanese_Numbers.php English exercises for learning Japanese numerals] * [https://web.archive.org/web/20090324035049/http://www.learnjapanesewordsandphrases.com/learnjapanesenumbers.html Audio to learn the pronunciation for Japanese numbers] * [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/kanjinumbers.cgi Convert kanji numerals to arabic numerals] (sci. lang. Japan FAQ page) * [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/numbers.cgi Convert arabic numerals to kanji numerals] (sci. lang. Japan FAQ page) </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese numerals|}} [[Kategorija:Čisla]] [[Kategorija:Japonsky jezyk]] [[Kategorija:Čislovniky]] {{INTERWIKI|Q1337084}} {{Kartka osoba | name = Viktor Coj | native_name = <center>{{Jezyky|ru|Виктор Цой}}</center> | image = [[Fajl:Victor Tsoi 1986.jpg|thumb|center|Viktor Coj v lětu 1986]] | alt = | caption = | birth_name = Viktor Robertovič Coj | birth_date = {{birth date|1962|6|21|df=yes}} | birth_place = [[Sankt-Peterburg|Leningrad]], [[Rosijska Sovětska Federativna Socialističska Republika|RSFSR]], [[Sovětsky Sojuz]] | death_date = {{death date and age|1990|8|15|1962|6|21|df=yes}} | death_place = [[Latvijska Sovětska Socialističska Republika|Latvijska SSR]], Sovětsky Sojuz | death_cause = Avto avarija | resting_place = Bogoslovskoje grobišče, Sankt-Peterburg | occupation = {{Flatlist| * pěvec * avtor pěsnjej * avtor muziky * aktor * avangardny umětnik }} | years_active = 1978–1990 | spouse = {{Plainlist| * Marianna Coj, od 1984 }} | children = [[Aleksandr Coj]], rod. 1985 | module = {{Kartka muzikant|embed=yes <!-- See Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians --> | background = solo_singer <!-- mandatory format: please do not change or remove --> | instrument = {{flatlist| * [[Vokal|vokal]] * [[Gitara|gitara]] * [[Bas-gitara|bas-gitara]] }} | genre = {{Flatlist| * [[Post-punk|post-pank]] * [[New wave (muzika)|nova volna]] * [[gotičny rok]] * [[Punk|pank rok]] }} | label = {{Flatlist| * [[AnTrop]] * [[Firma Melodija|Melodija]] }} | current_member_of = {{Flatlist| * [[Kino (grupa)|Kino]] * [[Avtomatičeskije udovletvoriteli]] * [[Sergej Kurjohin]] }} }} }} Tuto jest peskovišče. [[File:Nihongo.svg|thumb|right|100px| 日本語 (Japonsky jezyk)]] '''Japonsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|ja|日本語 {{!}} にほんご}} | {{-|''Nihongo'' [nʲiho̞ŋːo̞]}}) <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> </span> == Referencije == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese language|}} [[Kategorija:Jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5287}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} 0cwwekjqjgtxtrgtxmrs10oha04sfkx 27895 27892 2026-07-02T15:15:32Z Ilja isv 10 27895 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=July 2026}} {{-|''Under construction''}} {{Kartka muzikant | name = {{-|Shakira}} | image = 2023-11-16 Gala de los Latin Grammy, 03 (cropped)02.jpg | caption = Šakira na [[24-ta každoročna nagrada Latin Grammy|{{-|2023 Latin Grammy Awards}}]] | birth_name = {{-|Shakira Isabel Mebarak Ripoll}} | birth_date = {{Birth date|df=y|1977|2|2}} | birth_place = [[Barranquilla|Barankija]], {{-|Atlántico|Атлантико}}, Kolombija | occupation = {{hlist|pevica|avtorka pěsnij|tancorka|muzikalna producentka}} | organization = {{-|[[Barefoot Foundation]]}} | years_active = 1990–sučasnost | works = {{hlist|[[Šakira#Diskografija|Discografija]]|[[Šakira#Spisok pěsnij|zapisane pěsnjie]]|[[Šakira#Videografija|Videografija]]|[[Šakira#Spisok koncertov|koncerty]]|[[Šakira#Koncerty v zapisu|koncerty v zapisu]]}} | partner = {{unbulleted list | [[Antonio de la Rúa|Antonio de la Rua]] (2000–2010) | [[Gerard Piqué|Žerar Pike]] (2010–2022) }} | children = 2 | awards = {{hlist|[[Šakira#Spisok nagrad|Nagrady]]|[[Šakira#Rekordy i doseganja|rekordy]]|[[Šakira#kulturny vplyv|vlivanje]]}} | website = [https://shakira.com {{-|shakira.com}}] | signature = Shakira signature, Billboard Open Letter 2016.png | module = {{Kartka muzikant |embed=yes | origin = [[Bogotá|Bogota]], Kolumbija | instruments = {{hlist|vokal|gitary|harmonika|bubny}} | genre = <!-- Genres reliable sources most commonly categorize artist; aim for generality and two to four genres: [[Template:Kartka muzikant/doc#genre]]. --> {{hlist|[[Latinska musika|latino]]|[[Pop musika|pop]]|[[Tanečna muzika|Dans]]|[[Rok-muzika|rok]]}} | label = {{-|{{hlist|[[Sony Music Colombia|Sony Colombia]]|[[Epic Records|Epic]]|[[RCA Records|RCA]]|[[Sony Latin]] <!-- Note: Do not add Roc Nation as she is signed to the label for management purposes, not album and single releases. Also, please keep in alphabetical order. -->}}}} }} }} {{nihongo|'''Japonske čislovniky'''|数詞|sūshi}} sut [[Čislovnik (lingvistika)|čislovniky]], koristane v [[Japonsky jezyk|japonskom jezyku]]. V pismennosti oni sut jednake s [[Kitajske čislovniky|kitajskymi čislovnikami]], I velike čisla slědujut kitajskomu stilju s grupovanjem po 10,000. Koristajut se dva izgovory: Sino-Japonsko čitanje ([[On'yomi|{{lang|en|on'yomi}}]]) i Japonsko čitanje {{lang|en|[[Wago|yamato kotoba]]}} (rodne slova, {{lang|en|[[kun'yomi]]}}) [[Kitajske hieroglify|kitajskyh hieroglifov]]. ==Čisla v japonskom jezyku== Sut dva sposoby, kako pisati čisla na japonskom jezyku: [[Arabske cifry|arabskymi ciframi]] (1, 2, 3) ili [[Kitajske čislovniky|kitajskymi čislovnikami]] ({{lang|zh|一}}, {{lang|zh|二}}, {{lang|zh|三}}). Arabske čisla sut vyše često koristane pri [[Horizontalno i vertikalno pisanje v Iztočno aziatskoj pismennosti|horizontalnom pisanju]], a kitajske čisla sut vyše obyčajne pri [[Horizontalno i vertikalno pisanje v Iztočno aziatskoj pismennosti|vertikalnom pisanju]]. Věčšinstvo čisel imaje dva čitanja, kako i večšinstvo [[Kanji|kandži]], to, ktoro jest izvedeno od kitajskogo čitanja, koristaje se za redne čislovniky ([[on'yomi|čitanje {{lang|en|On}}]] ) a rodno japonsko čitanje ([[kun'yomi|čitanje {{lang|en|Kun}}]]) koristaje se nemnogo menje formalno za čisla do 10. V něktoryh slučajah (privedenyh dole), jsponsko čitanje obyčno jest preferovano za vse izkoristanja. Archaične čtanja sut označene †. {| class="wikitable nounderlines" ! Čislo ! Znak ! Čitanje {{lang|en|On}} ! Čitanje {{lang|en|Kun}}<ref>{{cite book |script-title=ja:スーパー大辞林 |trans-title=Super [[Daijirin]] |language=ja |publisher=[[Sanseidō]] }}</ref> ! Prědnostno čitanje |- | align="right" | [[0]] | {{lang|ja|零}} / {{lang|ja|〇}}{{sup|*}} | {{Nihongo||れい|rei}} | {{Nihongo||まる|maru}} | {{Nihongo||ゼロ|zero}} ([[Pozajetje (lingvistika)|pozajetje]], {{lang|en|[[Loanwords in Japanese|gairaigo]]}}) |- | align="right" | [[1]] | {{lang|ja|一}} | {{Nihongo||いち|ichi}} | {{Nihongo||ひと・つ|hito(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||いち|ichi}} |- | align="right" | [[2]] | {{lang|ja|二}} | {{Nihongo||に|ni}} | {{Nihongo||ふた・つ|futa(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||に|ni}} |- | align="right" | [[3]] | {{lang|ja|三}} | {{Nihongo||さん|san}} | {{Nihongo||みっ・つ|mit(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||さん|san}} |- | align="right" | [[4]] | {{lang|ja|四}} | {{Nihongo||し|shi}} | {{lang|en|yon}}, {{Nihongo||よん、よっ・つ|yot(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||よん|yon}} |- | align="right" | [[5]] | {{lang|ja|五}} | {{Nihongo||ご|go}} | {{Nihongo||いつ・つ|itsu(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||ご|go}} |- | align="right" | [[6]] | {{lang|ja|六}} | {{Nihongo||ろく|roku}} | {{Nihongo||むっ・つ|mut(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||ろく|roku}} |- | align="right" | [[7]] | {{lang|ja|七}} | {{Nihongo||しち|shichi}} | {{Nihongo||なな・つ|nana(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||なな|nana}} |- | align="right" | [[8]] | {{lang|ja|八}} | {{Nihongo||はち|hachi}} | {{Nihongo||やっ・つ|yat(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||はち|hachi}} |- | align="right" | [[9]] | {{lang|ja|九}} | {{lang|ja|ku}}, {{Nihongo||く, きゅう|kyū}} | {{Nihongo||ここの・つ|kokono(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||きゅう|kyū}} |- | align="right" | [[10]] | {{lang|ja|十}} | {{Nihongo||じゅう|jū}} | {{Nihongo||とお|tō}} | {{Nihongo||じゅう|jū}} |- | align="right" | [[20 (number)|20]] | {{lang|ja|二十}} | {{Nihongo||にじゅう|ni-jū}} | {{Nihongo||はた|hata}}† | {{Nihongo||にじゅう|ni-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[30 (number)|30]] | {{lang|ja|三十}} | {{Nihongo||さんじゅう|san-jū}} | {{Nihongo||みそ|miso}}† | {{Nihongo||さんじゅう|san-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[40 (number)|40]] | {{lang|ja|四十}} | {{Nihongo||しじゅう|shi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||よそ|yoso}}† | {{Nihongo||よんじゅう|yon-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[50 (number)|50]] | {{lang|ja|五十}} | {{Nihongo||ごじゅう|go-jū}} | {{Nihongo||いそ|iso}}† | {{Nihongo||ごじゅう|go-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[60 (number)|60]] | {{lang|ja|六十}} | {{Nihongo||ろくじゅう|roku-jū}} | {{Nihongo||むそ|muso}}† | {{Nihongo||ろくじゅう|roku-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[70 (number)|70]] | {{lang|ja|七十}} | {{Nihongo||しちじゅう|shichi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||ななそ|nanaso}}† | {{Nihongo||ななじゅう|nana-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[80 (number)|80]] | {{lang|ja|八十}} | {{Nihongo||はちじゅう|hachi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||やそ|yaso}}† | {{Nihongo||はちじゅう|hachi-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[90 (number)|90]] | {{lang|ja|九十}} | {{Nihongo||くじゅう|ku-jū}} | {{Nihongo||ここのそ|kokonoso}}† | {{Nihongo||きゅうじゅう|kyū-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[100]] | {{lang|ja|百}} | {{Nihongo||ひゃく|hyaku}} | {{Nihongo||もも|momo}}† | {{Nihongo||ひゃく|hyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[500 (number)|500]] | {{lang|ja|五百}} | {{Nihongo||ごひゃく|go-hyaku}} | {{Nihongo||いお|io}}† | {{Nihongo||ごひゃく|go-hyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[800 (number)|800]] | {{lang|ja|八百}} | {{Nihongo||はっぴゃく|hap-pyaku}} | {{Nihongo||やお|yao}}† | {{Nihongo||はっぴゃく|hap-pyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[1000 (number)|1,000]] | {{lang|ja|千}} | {{Nihongo||せん|sen}} | {{Nihongo||ち|chi}}† | {{Nihongo||せん|sen}} |- | align="right" | [[10,000]] | {{lang|ja|万}} | {{Nihongo||まん|man}} | {{Nihongo||よろず|yorozu}}† | {{Nihongo||まん|man}} |- | align="right" | [[100,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|億}} | {{Nihongo||おく|oku}} |— | {{Nihongo||おく|oku}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)#1012|1,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|兆}} | {{Nihongo||ちょう|chō}} |— | {{Nihongo||ちょう|chō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10,000,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|京}} | {{Nihongo||けい|kei}} |— | {{Nihongo||けい|kei}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|100,000,000,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|垓}} | {{Nihongo||がい|gai}} |— | {{Nihongo||がい|gai}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10²⁴]] | {{lang|ja|𥝱}} | {{Nihongo||じょ|jo}} |— | {{Nihongo||じょ|jo}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10²⁸]] | {{lang|ja|穣}} | {{Nihongo||じょう|jō}} |— | {{Nihongo||じょう|jō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10³²]] | {{lang|ja|溝}} | {{Nihongo||こう|kō}} |— | {{Nihongo||こう|kō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10³⁶]] | {{lang|ja|澗}} | {{Nihongo||かん|kan}} |— | {{Nihongo||かん|kan}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁰]] | {{lang|ja|正}} | {{Nihongo||せい|sei}} |— | {{Nihongo||せい|sei}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁴]] | {{lang|ja|載}} | {{Nihongo||さい|sai}} |— | {{Nihongo||さい|sai}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁸]] | {{lang|ja|極}} | {{Nihongo||ごく|goku}} |— | {{Nihongo||ごく|goku}} |} <small><nowiki>*</nowiki> Imaje se takože specialno čitanje 〇 ({{-|''maru''}}), čto označaje "krugly" ili "krug". Ono može koristati se opcionalno, kogda čitajut se odděljene cifry v nomeru jedna po jednoj, vměsto vsego čisla. Polpularnym priměrim jest [[109 (trgovy dom)|znamenity magazin "109"]] v četvrti [[Shibuya|Šibuja, Tokio]], ktory čitaje se kako {{lang|en|ichi-maru-kyū}} (Kandži: {{lang|ja|一〇九}}). (On takože može čitati se kako 'deset-devet'— izgovarjaje se {{lang|en|tō-kyū}} — čto jest igra slov s nazvanjem tokijskogo trgovogo doma, ktory vladaje budynkom.) Tuto izkoristanje {{lang|en|maru}} za čislnu 0 jest podobno poněkogdomu čitanju čisla 0 v anglijskom jezyku kako {{-| ''oh''}}. Jednakože, kako čislo, jego jedino zapisyvajut kako 0 ili {{Nihongo|零|{{-|rei}}}}. Čtovyše, dva i pet igovarjajut s dolgoju samoglaskoju v telefoničnyh nomerah (napr. {{lang|ja|にい}} {{lang|en|nī}} i {{lang|ja|ごお}} {{lang|en|gō}}). Čisla poslě {{lang|en|kei}} koristajut rědko. Tym ne menje, oni sut prědstavjene tut.</small> Kako odměčaje se vyše, {{lang|en|yon}} (4) i {{lang|en|nana}} (7) sut uprědnostnjene nad {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}}. Prědpokladaje se, že tuto jest svezano s tym, že {{lang|en|shi}} jest takože čitanjem slova 死 (smrt), čto děljae jego neščestlivym čitanjem (gledite [[tetrafobija]]); dokolě {{lang|en|shichi}} može zvučati velmi slično s {{lang|en|ichi}} (1), {{lang|en|shi}} ili {{lang|en|hachi}} (8). Jednakože, v cělom redu stanovjenyh slov i rěčenij, {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}} sut stale preferovane; tako, pri sčitanju (kako v {{lang|en|"ichi, ni, san, shi,..."}}), {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}} mogut iměti prědnost. Čislo 9 takože mněvaje se nesčestlivym; kogda izgovarjaje se {{lang|en|ku}}, ono sozvučno 苦 (stradanje). Čislo 13 poněkogda mněvaje se nesčestlivym, ale jest to kalka [[Triskaidekafobia|zapadnoj tradicije]]. Naprotiv, 7 i poněkogda 8 mněvajut se sčestlivymy u japoncev.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://lingualift.com/blog/lucky-unlucky-numbers-japan/|title=The number of death: Lucky and unlucky numbers in Japan|website=The Science of Language Self-Study {{!}} LinguaLift Blog|access-date=2016-03-24}}</ref> V sovrěmennom japonskom jezyku, redne čislovniky pomimo 4 i 7 sut obyčno koristane v čitanju {{lang|en|on}}. Alternativno čitanje byvaje v nazvah měsecev, čislah dnjev v měsecu i stalyh izrazah; napriměr, april, julij, i september nazyvajut se {{lang|en|'''shi'''-gatsu}} (4. měsec), {{lang|en|'''shichi'''-gatsu}} (7. měsec), i {{lang|en|'''ku'''-gatsu}} (9. měsec). Čitanja {{lang|en|on}} takože koristajut pri prěklikanju dlja sčitanja ljudij (nap. {{lang|en|ichi-ni-san-shi}}). Večši čisla dělajut, kombinujuči tute elementy: *desetky od 20 do 90 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-jū}}" kako od {{Nihongo|二十|{{-|ni-jū}}}} do {{Nihongo|九十|{{-|kyū-jū}}}}. *sotky od 200 do 900 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-hyaku}}". *tyseče od 2000 do 9000 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-sen}}". Počinajuči od {{Nihongo|miriady|万}}, čisla začinajut se s {{Nihongo|一|{{-|ichi}}}}, jestlu ne jest prisutna ina cifra. Tako, 100 bude prosto {{Nihongo|百|{{-|hyaku}}}}, 1000 jest prosto {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}, ale 10000 uže{{Nihongo|一万|{{-|ichiman}}}}, vměsto prosto {{lang|en|man}}. (Tuto odličaje se od [[Kitajsky jezyk|kitajskogo jezyka]], kde čisla začinajut se c {{lang|zh|一}} ako ne jest druga ina cifra prěd njeju, uže od 100.) I jestli {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}neposrědnje prědhodi nazvě kolikosti [[Miriada|miriad]], prěd {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}obyčno dodavajut {{Nihongo|一|{{-|ichi}}}}, čto davaje {{Nihongo|一千|{{-|issen}}}}. Tako, 10,000,000 (bukvalno 1000,0000) obyčno čitajut kako {{Nihongo|一千万|{{-|issenman}}}}. Ale ako {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}} ''ne'' premo prědhodi kolikosti myriad, dodavanje {{Nihongo|一|ichi}}jest opcionalno. Tako, 15,000,000 (1500,0000) čitaje se kako {{Nihongo|千五百万|sengohyakuman}} ili {{Nihongo|一千五百万|issengohyakuman}}, ravno i kako 1500 čitaje se {{Nihongo|千五百|sengohyaku}}ili {{Nihongo|一千五百|issengohyaku}}. Sut i něktore fonetične modifikacije v ozvučanju něktoryh velikyh čisel, [[Oglasovanje i obezglasovanje suglasok|oglasovanje]] ili [[gemacija]] něktoryh suglasok, kako to često byvaje v japonskom jezyku (napr. {{lang|en|[[rendaku]]}}): napr. {{lang|en|roku}} "šest" i {{lang|en|hyaku}} "sto" dělajut {{lang|en|roppyaku}} "šestsot". {| class="wikitable" ! × !! 1 !! 2 !! 3 !! 4 !! 5 !! 6 !! 7 !! 8 !! 9 !! 10 !! 100 !! 1000 |- | align="right" | 100 | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hyaku, ippyaku}} | {{lang|en|nihyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sanbyaku}} | {{lang|en|yonhyaku}} | {{lang|en|gohyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|roppyaku}} | {{lang|en|nanahyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|happyaku}} | {{lang|en|kyūhyaku}} |— |— |— |- | align="right" | 1,000 | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sen, issen}} | {{lang|en|nisen}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sanzen}} | {{lang|en|yonsen}} | {{lang|en|gosen}} | {{lang|en|rokusen}} | {{lang|en|nanasen}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hassen}} | {{lang|en|kyūsen}} | — | — | — |- | align="right" | 10{{sup|12}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|itchō}} | {{lang|en|nichō}} | {{lang|en|sanchō}} | {{lang|en|yonchō}} | {{lang|en|gochō}} | {{lang|en|rokuchō}} | {{lang|en|nanachō}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hatchō}} | {{lang|en|kyūchō}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|jutchō}}* | {{lang|en|hyakuchō}} | {{lang|en|issenchō}} |- | align="right" | 10{{sup|16}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|ikkei}} | {{lang|en|nikei}} | {{lang|en|sankei}} | {{lang|en|yonkei}} | {{lang|en|gokei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|rokkei}} | {{lang|en|nanakei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hakkei}} | {{lang|en|kyūkei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|jukkei}}* | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hyakkei}}** | {{lang|en|issenkei}} |} <small><nowiki>*</nowiki> Takože priměnjaje se k kratnym 10. Koncovka měnjaje se od {{lang|en|-jū}} na {{lang|en|-jutchō}} ili {{lang|en|-jukkei}}.<br /><nowiki>**</nowiki> Takože priměnjaje se k kratnym 100. Koncovka {{lang|en|-ku}} měnjaje se na {{lang|en|-kkei}}.</small> V čislah nad 10, elementy sut soredjene, i ne koristajut se nuly. Japonske čislovniky imajut ne pozicijnu, a multiplikativno-aditivnu sistemu; da by napisati čislo 20, trěba napisati simbol {{Nihongo|"dva"|二}}, a potom simbol {{Nihongo|"deset"|十}}, da by polučiti dvě desetky ili {{Nihongo|"dvadeset"|二十}}. {| class="wikitable" ! Čislo !! Znaky !! Čitanje !Značenje |- | align="right" | 11 || {{lang|ja|十一}} || {{lang|en|jū ichi}} |deset i jedno |- | align="right" | 17 || {{lang|ja|十七}} || {{lang|en|jū nana, jū shichi}} |deset i sedm |- | align="right" | 151 || {{lang|ja|百五十一}} || {{lang|en|hyaku go-jū ichi}} |sto, pet desetok i jedno |- | align="right" | 302 || {{lang|ja|三百二}} || {{lang|en|san-byaku ni}} |tri sta i dva |- | align="right" | 469 || {{lang|ja|四百六十九}} || {{lang|en|yon-hyaku roku-jū kyū}} |četyri, šest desetok i devet |- | align="right" | 2025 || {{lang|ja|二千二十五}} || {{lang|en|ni-sen ni-jū go}} |dva tyseče, dvě desetky i pet |} ===Čislne redky i desetične čisla=== Japonske cifry od 1 do 9 obyčno se koristajut izolovano. Redky cifr imajut slegka inako čitanje s prodolženymi samoglaskami za 2 (''nī'') i 5 (''gō''), i menje često, 4 (''shī'') i 9 (''kū''). Tako dělajut zato, že kogda prěčisljajut cifry, ako možno, oni muset byti v grupah po dvě, každa iz njih musi sostojeti točno iz četyreh [[Mora (lingvistika)|mor]], čto dělaje neobhodnym prodolženje obyčno jednomornyh cifr kako ''ni'', ''go'', ''shi'' and ''ku''.<ref name=nhk-2005-2>{{cite web|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250622082124/https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20250601_1.html|url=https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20250601_1.html|archive-date=22 June 2025|lang=ja|script-title=ja:語の読み方（語形）について数字の読み方～小数の読み方～|work=NHK Bunken|publisher=NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute|last=Yamashita|first=Yōko|last2=Fujii|first2=Madoka|date=28 February 2025|access-date=23 September 2025|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250622082259/https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20180501_4.html|url=https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20180501_4.html|archive-date=22 June 2025|date=1 May 2018|lang=ja|script-title=ja:数詞の発音とアクセント|work=NHK Bunken|publisher=NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute|last=Sakurai|first=Shigeharu|last2=Akinaga|first2=Kazue|access-date=23 September 2025|url-status=live}}</ref> Napiměr, taky redok kako '''5'''4'''2'''62 se izgovarjaje {{-|'''''gō'''-yon '''nī'''-roku ni''}}, kde prve dvě grupy sut kvadrimoraične. [[Japonsko tonalno udarjenje|Udarjenje]] pri tom padaje prědposlědnju moru kažfoj grupy, ako li to jest možlivo, odsud {{-|[ɡoː jóɴ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲiː ɾókɯ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲí]}}.<ref name=hirayama-1961>{{cite book|lang=ja|script-title=ja:全国アクセント辞典|first=Teruo|last=Hirayama|publisher=Tōkyōdō|date=25 December 1961|p=897}}</ref> Tuto pravilo takože priměnjaje se k poslědnoj cifrě celoj česti čisla i ko vsim cifram desetičnoj česti desetičnogo čisla.<ref name=nhk-2005-2/><ref name=hirayama-1961/> Napriměr, tako desetično čislo kako 25'''2'''.'''25'''5 se izgovarjaje {{-|''nihyaku gojū '''nī'''-ten '''nī-gō''' go''}} {{-|[ɲiçjakɯ́ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɡodʑɯ́ː <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲíː teɴ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲiː ɡóː <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɡó]}}, kde ''ten'' označaje "točka". ===Druge tipy čisel=== V japonskyh [[Ordinalny čislovnik|ordinalnyh čislovnikah]] koristajut modifikaciju uměstnyh sčetnyh slov, sistema ktoryh v japonskom jezyku jest dosti [[Japonske sčetne slova|komplikovana]]. Da by prěvratiti sčetno slovo (sčislovnik) v ordinalny čislovnik, ktory označaje poziciju v redu, na koncu sčislovnika dodavajut {{lang|ja|目}} {{lang|en|me}}. Tako "jedin raz" bude prěkladati se kako {{lang|ja|一回}} {{lang|en|ikkai}}, a "prvy raz" bude se prěkladati {{lang|ja|一回目}} {{lang|en|ikkaime}}. Tuto pravilo jest ale nedoslědno, ako sčislovniky bez sufiksa {{translit|ja|me}} često koristajut i v ordinalnom, i v [[Kardinalny čislovnik|kardinalnom]] smyslah. Napriměr, {{lang|ja|三階}} {{translit|ja|sangai}} može označati kako "tri etaže", tako i "tretji etaž." [[Distributivny čislovnik|Distributivne čislovniky]] obyčno stvarjajut iz kardinalnogo čislovnika, sčetnogo slova i sufiksa {{Nihongo|{{-|''-zutsu''}}|ずつ|}}, napriklad {{Nihongo|{{-|''hitori-zutsu''}}|一人ずつ|po jednoj osobě za raz, po-jedno}}. == Stupnje 10 == === Velike čisla === Vslěd kitajskoj tradiciji, velike čisla se stvarjajut grupovanjem cifr v [[Miriada|miriady]] (10,000), na razliku od zapadnyh tyseč(1,000) <div class="overflowbugx" style="overflow-x:auto;"> {| class="wikitable" !align="left"|Red |10{{sup|4}} |10{{sup|8}} |10{{sup|12}} |10{{sup|16}} |10{{sup|20}} |10{{sup|24}} |10{{sup|28}} |10{{sup|32}} |10{{sup|36}} |10{{sup|40}} |10{{sup|44}} |10{{sup|48}} |10{{sup|52}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(ili 10{{sup|56}})}}</small> |10{{sup|56}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(ili 10{{sup|64}})}}</small> |10{{sup|60}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|72}})}}</small> |10{{sup|64}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|80}})}}</small> |10{{sup|68}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|88}})}}</small> |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|万}} |{{lang|ja|億}} |{{lang|ja|兆}} |{{lang|ja|京}} |{{lang|ja|垓}} |{{lang|ja|𥝱}}, {{lang|ja|秭}} |{{lang|ja|穣}} |{{lang|ja|溝}} |{{lang|ja|澗}} |{{lang|ja|正}} |{{lang|ja|載}} |{{lang|ja|極}} |{{lang|ja|恒河沙}} |{{lang|ja|阿僧祇}} |{{lang|ja|那由他}}, {{lang|ja|那由多}} |{{lang|ja|不可思議}} |{{lang|ja|無量大数}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|en|man}} |{{lang|en|oku}} |{{lang|en|chō}} |{{lang|en|kei}} |{{lang|en|gai}} |{{lang|en|jo}}, {{lang|en|shi}} |{{lang|en|jō}} |{{lang|en|kō}} |{{lang|en|kan}} |{{lang|en|sei}} |{{lang|en|sai}} |{{lang|en|goku}} |{{lang|en|gōgasha}} |{{lang|en|asōgi}} |{{lang|en|nayuta}} |{{lang|en|fukashigi}} |{{lang|en|muryōtaisū}} |}</div> Razhoděnja sut iz-za {{Nihongo|{{-|[[Jinkōki]]}}|塵劫記|}}, najstaršego matematičnogo teksta Japonije. Originalno izdavanje bylo opublikovano v lětu 1627 i imělo mnogo grěšek, věčšinstvo ktoryh bylo izpravjeno v izdavanju 1631 goda. V lětu 1634 izšlo ješče jedno izdavanje, kde opet bylo izměnjeno několiko veličin. Vyše uvedeno razhodženje jest obuslovjeno nesuglasnostju dvoh poslědnjih izdavanij. Sut razne znaky za 10{{sup|24}} (to jest {{lang|ja|秭}} v kitajskom jezyku tutčas), i po 10{{sup|48}} oni odličajut se tym, že prodolžajut s povyšenjem faktora 10{{sup|4}} ili prěključajut se na faktor 10{{sup|8}}. Ako koristaje se faktor 10{{sup|8}}, medžuintervalne koeficienty 10{{sup|4}} zakryvajut s pomočju {{Nihongo|万|man}}. Nastoječe izdavanje {{lang|en|Jinkōki}}, 11-to, slěduje faktoru 10{{sup|4}} črez cělu sistemu, hoti něktori ljudi ješče koristajut veličiny iz 8-go izdavanja daže tutčas. Poslědnje tri čisla s mnogoslogovymi nazvanjami i razhodženjem veličin v koncu koncev izvodet se iz Indije, hoti tam oni ne iměli oprědeljennyh veličin. {{Nihongo|恒河沙||gōgasha}} prvonačelno koristalo se v budističskyh traktatah za označevanje bezměrno ogromnogo; ono proizhodi iz [[Sanskrit|sanskritskogo]] {{lang|sa|गङ्गा}} {{lang|en|gangā}} '[[Ganges|Ganga]]' (čto udobno vključaje znaky {{Nihongo|'rěka'|河|ka}} i {{Nihongo|'pěsok'|沙|sha}}, odsylajuči k neizčislimomu množstvu čestic pěska na rěkě Ganga. {{Nihongo||阿僧祇|asōgi}}, from Sanskrit {{lang|sa|असंख्येय}} {{lang|en|asaṃkhyeya}} 'uncountable/innumerable', with the negative prefix {{Nihongo||阿|a}}, and {{Nihongo||那由他|nayuta}} is from Sanskrit {{lang|sa|नयुत/नयुतः}} {{lang|en|nayuta(ḥ)}}. After that, the numbers are Buddhist terms translated into or coined in Chinese and later assigned numerical values: {{Nihongo|'unimaginable'|不可思議|fukashigi}} and {{Nihongo|'immeasurably large number'|無量大数|muryōtaisū}}. Examples: ''(spacing by groups of four digits is given only for clarity of explanation)'' *1 0000 : {{Nihongo|一万|ichi-man}} *983 6703 : {{Nihongo|九百八十三万 六千七百三|kyū-hyaku hachi-jū san-man, roku-sen nana-hyaku san}} *20 3652 1801 : {{Nihongo|二十億 三千六百五十二万 千八百一|ni-jū oku, san-zen rop-pyaku go-jū ni-man, sen hap-pyaku ichi}} However, numbers written in Arabic numerals are separated by commas every three digits following English-speaking convention. If Arabic numbers and kanji are used in combination, Western orders of magnitude may be used for numbers smaller than 10,000 (e.g. {{lang|ja|2,500万}} for 25,000,000). In Japanese, when long numbers are written out in kanji, zeros are omitted for all powers of ten. Hence 4002 is {{lang|ja|四千二}} (in contrast, Chinese requires the use of {{lang|zh|零}} wherever a zero appears, e.g. {{lang|zh|四千零二}} for 4002). However, when reading out a statement of accounts, for example, the skipped digit or digits are sometimes indicated by {{Nihongo|飛び|tobi}} or {{Nihongo|飛んで|tonde}}): e.g. {{lang|ja|yon-sen '''tobi''' ni}} or {{lang|en|yon-sen '''tonde''' ni}} instead of the normal {{lang|en|yon-sen ni}}. === Drobne čisla === Japanese has two systems of numerals for decimal fractions. They are no longer in general use, but are still used in some instances such as batting and fielding averages of baseball players, winning percentages for sports teams, and in some idiomatic phrases such as 五分五分の勝負 ({{-|''gobugobu no shōbu''}}, 'fifty-fifty chance'}}, and when representing a rate or discount. The {{lang|en|bu}} fractions are also used when talking about fevers—for example {{Nihongo|九度二分|kudonibu}} for 9 and two parts—referring to the temperature 39.2°C. One system is as follows: {| class="wikitable" !align=left|Red |10{{sup|−1}} |10{{sup|−2}} |10{{sup|−3}} |10{{sup|−4}} |10{{sup|−5}} |10{{sup|−6}} |10{{sup|−7}} |10{{sup|−8}} |10{{sup|−9}} |10{{sup|−10}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|分}} |{{lang|ja|厘}} |{{lang|ja|毛}} |{{lang|ja|糸}} |{{lang|ja|忽}} |{{lang|ja|微}} |{{lang|ja|繊}} |{{lang|ja|沙}} |{{lang|ja|塵}} |{{lang|ja|埃}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|jen|bu}} |{{lang|en|rin}} |{{lang|en|mō}} |{{lang|en|shi}} |{{lang|en|kotsu}} |{{lang|en|bi}} |{{lang|en|sen}} |{{lang|en|sha}} |{{lang|en|jin}} |{{lang|en|ai}} |} This is the system used with the traditional [[Japanese units of measurement]]. Several of the names are used "as is" to represent a fraction of a [[cun (unit)|{{lang|en|sun}}]]. The other system of representing these decimal fractions of rate or discount uses a system "shifted down" with a {{lang|ja|bu}} becoming a "one hundredth" and so on, and the unit for "tenth" becoming {{lang|ja|wari}}: {| class="wikitable" !align=left|Red |10{{sup|−1}} |10{{sup|−2}} |10{{sup|−3}} |10{{sup|−4}} |10{{sup|−5}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|割}} |{{lang|ja|分}} |{{lang|ja|厘}} |{{lang|ja|毛}} |{{lang|ja|糸}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|en|wari}} |{{lang|en|bu}} |{{lang|en|rin}} |{{lang|en|mō}} |{{lang|en|shi}} |} This is often used with prices. For example: *{{Nihongo|一割五分引き|ichi-wari go-bu biki}}: 15% discount *{{Nihongo|打率三割八分九厘|daritsu san-wari hachi-bu kyū-rin}}: batting average .389 With the exception of {{lang|ja|wari}}, these are rarely seen in modern usage. Decimal fractions are typically written with either kanji numerals (vertically) or Arabic numerals (horizontally), preceded by a decimal point, and are read as successive digits, as in Western convention. Note that, in written form, they can be combined with either the traditional system of expressing numerals (42.195 kilometers: {{lang|ja|四十二・一九五 キロメートル}}), in which powers of ten are written, or with the place value system, which uses zero (50.04 percent: {{lang|ja|五〇・〇四 パーセント.}}) In both cases, however, the reading follows the traditional system ({{lang|ja|yon-jū ni-ten ichi-kyū go kiromētoru}} for 42.195 kilometers; {{lang|ja|go ju-tten rei-yon pāsento}} for 50.04 percent.) == В именах == Существуют имена {{нихонго|[[Millennium Actress|Тиёко]]|千代子||дословно «тысяча лет» (женское)}}, {{нихонго|Тидзуру|千鶴||дословно «тысяча [[Японский журавль|журавлей]]» (женское)}}, {{нихонго|Тикао|千禾夫||дословно «муж — тысяча колосьев»}}, фамилия {{нихонго|Титака|千鷹||дословно «тысяча соколов»}}. Одна из японских префектур называется {{нихонго|[[Тиба (префектура)|Тиба]]|千葉||дословно «тысяча листьев»}}. В [[аниме]] «[[Унесённые призраками]]» обыгрывается неоднозначность прочтения иероглифа 千 — «сэн» или «ти»: имя главной героини — {{нихонго|Тихиро|千尋||дословно «тысяча [[Японская система мер#Меры длины|хиро]]», «бездонная глубина»}}; колдунья «забирает» имя у Тихиро, оставляя ей только один иероглиф и меняя его прочтение. Отныне Тихиро зовётся {{нихонго|Сэн|千||тысяча}}. Кроме того, есть последовательность мужских имён, которыми называют детей по порядку рождения: # {{нихонго|Итиро|一郎|итиро:|первый сын}}, # {{нихонго|Дзиро|二郎|дзиро:|второй сын}}, # {{нихонго|Сабуро|三郎|сабуро:}}, # {{нихонго|Сиро|四郎|сиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Горо|五郎|горо:}}, # {{нихонго|Рокуро|六郎|рокуро:}}, # {{нихонго|Ситиро|七郎|ситиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Хатиро|八郎|хатиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Куро|九郎|куро:}}, # {{нихонго|Дзюро|十郎|дзю:ро:}}, # {{нихонго|Тоитиро|十一郎|тоитиро:}} или {{нихонго|Дзюитиро|十一郎|дзю:итиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Дзюдзиро|十二郎|дзю:дзиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Тосабуро|十三郎|тосабуро:}} или {{нихонго|Дзюсабуро|十三郎|дзю:сабуро:}}. После [[Вторая мировая война|Второй мировой войны]] имена «больше» Сабуро почти вышли из употребления. Кроме указанных имён есть даже {{нихонго|Дзюсиро|十四郎|дзю:сиро:|четырнадцатый сын}} и {{нихонго|Хякуро|百郎|хякуро:|сотый сын}}: их, кроме прочих, носят актёр [[Кабуки]] [[Коноэ, Дзюсиро|Дзюсиро Коноэ]] (近衛 十四郎) и [[мангака]] [[Мурасаки, Хякуро|Хякуро Мурасаки]] (村崎 百郎). == Formalne čislovniky == [[File:Shoe Boxes (743286602).jpg|thumb|{{lang|en|[[Getabako]]}}]] As with Chinese numerals, there exists in Japanese a separate set of kanji for numerals called {{Nihongo||大字|'''daiji'''}} used in legal and financial documents to prevent unscrupulous individuals from adding a stroke or two, turning a one into a two or a three. The formal numbers are identical to the [[Chinese financial numerals|Chinese formal numbers]] except for minor stroke variations. Today, the numbers for one, two, three, and ten are written only in their formal form in legal documents (the numbers 4 to 9 as well as 100, 1000 and 10000 are written identically to the common ones, cf. table below).<ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:大正十一年大蔵省令第四十三号 (会計法規ニ基ク出納計算ノ数字及記載事項ノ訂正ニ関スル件) |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/T11/T11F03401000043.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023833/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/T11/T11F03401000043.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『第一条: 会計法規ニ基ク出納計算ニ関スル諸書類帳簿ニ記載スル金額其ノ他ノ数量ニシテ「一」、「二」、「三」、「十」、「廿」、「卅」ノ数字ハ「壱」、「弐」、「参」、「拾」、「弐拾」、「参拾」ノ字体ヲ用ユヘシ但横書ヲ為ストキハ「アラビア」数字ヲ用ユルコトヲ得』}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:戸籍法施行規則 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S22/S22F00501000094.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023839/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S22/S22F00501000094.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:「第三十一条 2: 年月日を記載するには、壱、弐、参、拾の文字を用いなければならない。」}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:小切手振出等事務取扱規程 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S26/S26F03401000020.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023849/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S26/S26F03401000020.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『附則 (昭和四〇年四月一日大蔵省令第二〇号) 2: 小切手の券面金額は、当分の間、所定の金額記載欄に、漢数字により表示することができる。この場合においては、「一」、「二」、「三」及び「十」の字体は、それぞれ「壱」、「弐」、「参」及び「拾」の漢字を用い、かつ、所定の金額記載欄の上方余白に当該金額記載欄に記載の金額と同額をアラビア数字で副記しなければならない。』}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:商業登記規則 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S39/S39F03201000023.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20090202084605/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S39/S39F03201000023.html |archive-date=2009-02-02 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『第四十八条 2: 金銭その他の物の数量、年月日及び番号を記載するには、「壱、弐、参、拾」の文字を用いなければならない。ただし、横書きをするときは、アラビヤ数字を用いることができる。』}}</ref> These numbers' common forms can be changed to a higher value by adding strokes (1 and 2 were explained above, while 3 can be changed to 5, and 10 to 1000). In some cases, the digit 1 is explicitly written like {{lang|ja|壱百壱拾}} for 110, as opposed to {{lang|ja|百十}} in common writing. Formal numbers: {| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center" ! rowspan="2" | Number ! rowspan="2" | Common ! colspan="2" | Formal |- ! In use !! Obsolete |- | align="right" | 1 || {{lang|ja|一}} || {{lang|ja|壱}} || {{lang|ja|壹}} |- | align="right" | 2 || {{lang|ja|二}} || {{lang|ja|弐}} || {{lang|ja|貳}} |- | align="right" | 3 || {{lang|ja|三}} || {{lang|ja|参}} || {{lang|ja|參}} |- | align="right" | 4 || {{lang|ja|四}} || {{lang|ja|四}} || {{lang|ja|肆}} |- | align="right" | 5 || {{lang|ja|五}} || {{lang|ja|五}} || {{lang|ja|伍}} |- | align="right" | 6 || {{lang|ja|六}} || {{lang|ja|六}} || {{lang|ja|陸}} |- | align="right" | 7 || {{lang|ja|七}} || {{lang|ja|七}} || {{lang|ja|柒}}, {{lang|ja|漆}} |- | align="right" | 8 || {{lang|ja|八}} || {{lang|ja|八}} || {{lang|ja|捌}} |- | align="right" | 9 || {{lang|ja|九}} || {{lang|ja|九}} || {{lang|ja|玖}} |- | align="right" | 10 || {{lang|ja|十}} || {{lang|ja|拾}} || {{lang|ja|拾}} |- | align="right" | 100 || {{lang|ja|百}} || {{lang|ja|百}} || {{lang|ja|佰}} |- | align="right" | 1000 || {{lang|ja|千}} || {{lang|ja|千}} || {{lang|ja|阡}}, {{lang|ja|仟}} |- | align="right" | 10000 || {{lang|ja|万}} || {{lang|ja|万}}, {{lang|ja|萬}} || {{lang|ja|萬}} |} The four current [[banknotes of the Japanese yen]], 1000-yen, 2000-yen, 5000-yen, and 10000-yen, have formal numbers {{lang|ja|千}}, {{lang|ja|弐千}}, {{lang|ja|五千}}, and {{lang|ja|壱万}}, respectively. ==V starojaponskom jezyku== [[Old Japanese]] shares some vocabulary with later periods, but there are also unique number terms over 10 which are not used any more, aside from being parts of specific [[lexeme]]s. Notes: * The transcription is based on the [[phoneme]] and is not [[phonetics|phonetic]]. See [[Old Japanese]] for further information. * See {{lang|ja|[[Jōdai Tokushu Kanazukai]]}} for information on subscript notation. <!--NOTE: Please do NOT change /h/ to /p/. The transcription is phonemic, not phonetic. While it must have been [p] at some time in the past, during the Old Japanese period it was [ɸ]. --> {| class="wikitable" ! Čislo ! Izgovor ! Priklady ! Primětky |- | align="right" | 1 | [[wiktionary:一#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|一日}} {{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂pi₁}} (1 day), {{lang|ojp|一年}} {{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂to₂se}} (1 year) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 2 | [[wiktionary:二#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|futa}}]] | {{lang|ojp|二夜}} {{lang|ojp|futayo₂}} (2 nights) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 3 | [[wiktionary:三#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|mi₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|三十}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁so₁}} (30) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 4 | [[wiktionary:四#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|yo₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|四十}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂so₁}} (40), {{lang|ojp|四人}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂tari}} (4 people) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 5 | [[wiktionary:五#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|itu}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五年}} {{lang|ojp|ituto₂se}} (5 years) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 6 | [[wiktionary:六#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|mu}}]] | {{lang|ojp|六爪}} {{lang|ojp|mutuma}} (6 claws) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 7 | [[wiktionary:七#Noun|{{lang|ojp|nana}}]] | {{lang|ojp|七瀬}} {{lang|ojp|nanase}} (many rapids) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 8 | [[wiktionary:八#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|ya}}]] | {{lang|ojp|八雲}} {{lang|ojp|yakumo₁}} (many clouds) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 9 | [[wiktionary:九#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|九柱}} {{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂pasira}} (9 nobles / gods) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 10 | [[wiktionary:十#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|to₂}}]] / [[wiktionary:十#Noun 3|{{lang|ojp|to₂wo}}]] | {{lang|ojp|十日}} {{lang|ojp|to₂woka}} (10 days) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 10 | [[wiktionary:十#Noun|{{lang|ojp|so₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|三十}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁so₁}} (30), {{lang|ojp|四十}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂so₁}} (40), {{lang|ojp|六十}} {{lang|ojp|muso₁}} (60), {{lang|ojp|八十}} {{lang|ojp|yaso₁}} (80) | Found only in compound words; not used alone. |- | align="right" | 20 | [[wiktionary:二十#Noun|{{lang|ojp|pata}}]] | {{lang|ojp|二十}} {{lang|ojp|patati}} (20), {{lang|ojp|二十人}} {{lang|ojp|patatari}} (20 people), {{lang|ojp|二十年}} {{lang|ojp|patato₂se}} (20 years) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 50 | [[wiktionary:五十|{{lang|ojp|i}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五十日}} {{lang|ojp|ika}} (50 days) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 100 | [[wiktionary:百#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|po}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五百}} {{lang|ojp|ipo}} (500), {{lang|ojp|五百年}} {{lang|ojp|ipoto₂se}} (500 years), {{lang|ojp|五百夜}} {{lang|ojp|ipoyo₂}} (500 nights), {{lang|ojp|八百}} {{lang|ojp|yapo}} (800), {{lang|ojp|三百}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁po}} (300), {{lang|ojp|六百}} {{lang|ojp|mupo}} (600), {{lang|ojp|九百}} {{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂po}} (900) | Used for multiple hundreds in compound numerals. Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 100 | [[wiktionary:百#Noun 3|{{lang|ojp|mo₁mo₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|百日}} {{lang|ojp|mo₁mo₁ka}} (many days) | Used for non-multiple hundred and for the number "100" by itself. Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 1000 | [[wiktionary:千#Noun|{{lang|ojp|ti}}]] | {{lang|ojp|千年}} {{lang|ojp|tito₂se}} (1000 years, many years) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 10000 | [[wiktionary:万#Noun|{{lang|ojp|yo₂ro₂du}}]] | {{lang|ojp|八百万}} {{lang|ojp|yapoyo₂ro₂du}} (8000000, myriad) | Often used to mean many. |} ==Sčitanje na prstah== Japanese uses separate systems for counting for oneself and for displaying numbers to others, which both proceed up to ten. For counting, one begins with the palm open, then counts up to five by curling up (folding down) the fingers, starting from the thumb – thus one has just the thumb down (and others extended), while four has only the little finger extended, and five has a fist. One then counts up to ten by proceeding in the reverse order, extending the fingers, starting at the little finger – thus six is the same as four, seven the same as three, and so forth, with ten ending with the palm open. While this introduces ambiguity, it is not used to present to others, so this is generally not a problem. When displaying for others, one starts with the hand closed, and extends fingers, starting with the index, going to the little finger, then ending with the thumb, as in the United States. For numbers above five, one uses an open hand (indicating five) and places the appropriate number of fingers from the other hand against the palm (palms facing each other) – so six has the index finger against the palm, and so forth.<ref>{{Cite web| url = http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/aa112198.htm| title = Counting on one's fingers. About.com, Japanese Language, Namiko Abe| archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20130120143955/http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/aa112198.htm |archive-date = 2013-01-20}}</ref> To display ten, one presents both hands open and palm outwards. == Zapisyvanje cifr slovami == Since the adoption of [[Arabic numerals]], it has become more and more common for numbers to be written using them. Counters and ordinal numbers are typically written in Arabic numbers, such as {{nihongo|three people|3人|san-nin}}, {{nihongo|July, "seventh-month"|7月|shichigatsu}}, {{nihongo|age 20|20歳|hatachi}}, etc., although {{lang|ja|三人}}, {{lang|ja|七月}} and {{lang|ja|二十歳}} are also acceptable to write (albeit less common). However, numbers that are part of lexemes are typically written in kanji. For example, the term {{nihongo|'vegetable stand / grocer'|八百屋|yaoya}} translates into "800 store" and uses the Old Japanese pronunciation for 800, {{lang|ojp|ya(h)o}}. The notorious Japanese organized crime syndicate, the [[yakuza]], can be written {{lang|ja|八九三}} (or 893), a hand in {{lang|en|[[Oicho-Kabu|oicho-kabu]]}} that is worth 0 points, indicating that yakuza are "worthless persons" or "gambling persons".<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://www.sljfaq.org/afaq/yakuza.html |title=What is the origin of yakuza? |website=www.sljfaq.org |access-date=2016-03-24}}</ref> ==Zrite takože== *[[Chinese numerals]] *[[Decimal separator]] *[[Japanese counter word]] *[[Japanese people]] *[[Japanese wordplay#Numeric substitution|Japanese wordplay § Numeric substitution]] == Referencije == {{Iztočniky}} ==Vnješnje linky== <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> * {{lang|ja|[http://www.moroo.com/uzokusou/misc/suumei/suumei.html 大数の名前について]}} (na japonskom jezyku) * {{Cite web |url= http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanese.html | title = Ancient Japanese number system| archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20180829030749/http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanese.html |archive-date=2018-08-29}} * [http://www.solosequenosenada.com/gramatica/japanese/Learn_Japanese_Numbers.php English exercises for learning Japanese numerals] * [https://web.archive.org/web/20090324035049/http://www.learnjapanesewordsandphrases.com/learnjapanesenumbers.html Audio to learn the pronunciation for Japanese numbers] * [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/kanjinumbers.cgi Convert kanji numerals to arabic numerals] (sci. lang. Japan FAQ page) * [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/numbers.cgi Convert arabic numerals to kanji numerals] (sci. lang. Japan FAQ page) </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese numerals|}} [[Kategorija:Čisla]] [[Kategorija:Japonsky jezyk]] [[Kategorija:Čislovniky]] {{INTERWIKI|Q1337084}} {{Kartka osoba | name = Viktor Coj | native_name = <center>{{Jezyky|ru|Виктор Цой}}</center> | image = [[Fajl:Victor Tsoi 1986.jpg|thumb|center|Viktor Coj v lětu 1986]] | alt = | caption = | birth_name = Viktor Robertovič Coj | birth_date = {{birth date|1962|6|21|df=yes}} | birth_place = [[Sankt-Peterburg|Leningrad]], [[Rosijska Sovětska Federativna Socialističska Republika|RSFSR]], [[Sovětsky Sojuz]] | death_date = {{death date and age|1990|8|15|1962|6|21|df=yes}} | death_place = [[Latvijska Sovětska Socialističska Republika|Latvijska SSR]], Sovětsky Sojuz | death_cause = Avto avarija | resting_place = Bogoslovskoje grobišče, Sankt-Peterburg | occupation = {{Flatlist| * pěvec * avtor pěsnjej * avtor muziky * aktor * avangardny umětnik }} | years_active = 1978–1990 | spouse = {{Plainlist| * Marianna Coj, od 1984 }} | children = [[Aleksandr Coj]], rod. 1985 | module = {{Kartka muzikant|embed=yes <!-- See Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians --> | background = solo_singer <!-- mandatory format: please do not change or remove --> | instrument = {{flatlist| * [[Vokal|vokal]] * [[Gitara|gitara]] * [[Bas-gitara|bas-gitara]] }} | genre = {{Flatlist| * [[Post-punk|post-pank]] * [[New wave (muzika)|nova volna]] * [[gotičny rok]] * [[Punk|pank rok]] }} | label = {{Flatlist| * [[AnTrop]] * [[Firma Melodija|Melodija]] }} | current_member_of = {{Flatlist| * [[Kino (grupa)|Kino]] * [[Avtomatičeskije udovletvoriteli]] * [[Sergej Kurjohin]] }} }} }} Tuto jest peskovišče. [[File:Nihongo.svg|thumb|right|100px| 日本語 (Japonsky jezyk)]] '''Japonsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|ja|日本語 {{!}} にほんご}} | {{-|''Nihongo'' [nʲiho̞ŋːo̞]}}) <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> </span> == Referencije == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese language|}} [[Kategorija:Jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5287}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} 9ylh2hdoj8br1t9uyvv3ecxkb4h44eg 27896 27895 2026-07-02T15:16:20Z Ilja isv 10 27896 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=July 2026}} {{-|''Under construction''}} {{Kartka muzikant | name = {{-|Shakira}} | image = 2023-11-16 Gala de los Latin Grammy, 03 (cropped)02.jpg | caption = Šakira na [[24-ta každoročna nagrada Latin Grammy|{{-|2023 Latin Grammy Awards}}]] | birth_name = {{-|Shakira Isabel Mebarak Ripoll}} | birth_date = {{Birth date|df=y|1977|2|2}} | birth_place = [[Barranquilla|Barankija]], {{-|Atlántico|Атлантико}}, Kolombija | occupation = {{hlist|pevica|avtorka pěsnij|tancorka|muzikalna producentka}} | organization = {{-|[[Barefoot Foundation]]}} | years_active = 1990–sučasnost | works = {{hlist|[[Šakira#Diskografija|Discografija]]|[[Šakira#Spisok pěsnij|zapisane pěsnjie]]|[[Šakira#Videografija|Videografija]]|[[Šakira#Spisok koncertov|koncerty]]|[[Šakira#Koncerty v zapisu|koncerty v zapisu]]}} | partner = {{unbulleted list | [[Antonio de la Rúa|Antonio de la Rua]] (2000–2010) | [[Gerard Piqué|Žerar Pike]] (2010–2022) }} | children = 2 | awards = {{hlist|[[Šakira#Spisok nagrad|Nagrady]]|[[Šakira#Rekordy i doseganja|rekordy]]|[[Šakira#kulturny vplyv|vlivanje]]}} | website = [https://shakira.com {{-|shakira.com}}] | signature = Shakira signature, Billboard Open Letter 2016.png | module = {{Kartka muzikant |embed=yes | origin = [[Bogotá|Bogota]], Kolumbija | instruments = {{hlist|vokal|gitary|harmonika|bubny}} | genre = <!-- Genres reliable sources most commonly categorize artist; aim for generality and two to four genres: [[Template:Kartka muzikant/doc#genre]]. --> {{hlist|[[Latinska musika|latino]]|[[Pop musika|pop]]|[[Tanečna muzika|dans]]|[[Rok|rok]]}} | label = {{-|{{hlist|[[Sony Music Colombia|Sony Colombia]]|[[Epic Records|Epic]]|[[RCA Records|RCA]]|[[Sony Latin]] <!-- Note: Do not add Roc Nation as she is signed to the label for management purposes, not album and single releases. Also, please keep in alphabetical order. -->}}}} }} }} {{nihongo|'''Japonske čislovniky'''|数詞|sūshi}} sut [[Čislovnik (lingvistika)|čislovniky]], koristane v [[Japonsky jezyk|japonskom jezyku]]. V pismennosti oni sut jednake s [[Kitajske čislovniky|kitajskymi čislovnikami]], I velike čisla slědujut kitajskomu stilju s grupovanjem po 10,000. Koristajut se dva izgovory: Sino-Japonsko čitanje ([[On'yomi|{{lang|en|on'yomi}}]]) i Japonsko čitanje {{lang|en|[[Wago|yamato kotoba]]}} (rodne slova, {{lang|en|[[kun'yomi]]}}) [[Kitajske hieroglify|kitajskyh hieroglifov]]. ==Čisla v japonskom jezyku== Sut dva sposoby, kako pisati čisla na japonskom jezyku: [[Arabske cifry|arabskymi ciframi]] (1, 2, 3) ili [[Kitajske čislovniky|kitajskymi čislovnikami]] ({{lang|zh|一}}, {{lang|zh|二}}, {{lang|zh|三}}). Arabske čisla sut vyše često koristane pri [[Horizontalno i vertikalno pisanje v Iztočno aziatskoj pismennosti|horizontalnom pisanju]], a kitajske čisla sut vyše obyčajne pri [[Horizontalno i vertikalno pisanje v Iztočno aziatskoj pismennosti|vertikalnom pisanju]]. Věčšinstvo čisel imaje dva čitanja, kako i večšinstvo [[Kanji|kandži]], to, ktoro jest izvedeno od kitajskogo čitanja, koristaje se za redne čislovniky ([[on'yomi|čitanje {{lang|en|On}}]] ) a rodno japonsko čitanje ([[kun'yomi|čitanje {{lang|en|Kun}}]]) koristaje se nemnogo menje formalno za čisla do 10. V něktoryh slučajah (privedenyh dole), jsponsko čitanje obyčno jest preferovano za vse izkoristanja. Archaične čtanja sut označene †. {| class="wikitable nounderlines" ! Čislo ! Znak ! Čitanje {{lang|en|On}} ! Čitanje {{lang|en|Kun}}<ref>{{cite book |script-title=ja:スーパー大辞林 |trans-title=Super [[Daijirin]] |language=ja |publisher=[[Sanseidō]] }}</ref> ! Prědnostno čitanje |- | align="right" | [[0]] | {{lang|ja|零}} / {{lang|ja|〇}}{{sup|*}} | {{Nihongo||れい|rei}} | {{Nihongo||まる|maru}} | {{Nihongo||ゼロ|zero}} ([[Pozajetje (lingvistika)|pozajetje]], {{lang|en|[[Loanwords in Japanese|gairaigo]]}}) |- | align="right" | [[1]] | {{lang|ja|一}} | {{Nihongo||いち|ichi}} | {{Nihongo||ひと・つ|hito(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||いち|ichi}} |- | align="right" | [[2]] | {{lang|ja|二}} | {{Nihongo||に|ni}} | {{Nihongo||ふた・つ|futa(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||に|ni}} |- | align="right" | [[3]] | {{lang|ja|三}} | {{Nihongo||さん|san}} | {{Nihongo||みっ・つ|mit(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||さん|san}} |- | align="right" | [[4]] | {{lang|ja|四}} | {{Nihongo||し|shi}} | {{lang|en|yon}}, {{Nihongo||よん、よっ・つ|yot(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||よん|yon}} |- | align="right" | [[5]] | {{lang|ja|五}} | {{Nihongo||ご|go}} | {{Nihongo||いつ・つ|itsu(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||ご|go}} |- | align="right" | [[6]] | {{lang|ja|六}} | {{Nihongo||ろく|roku}} | {{Nihongo||むっ・つ|mut(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||ろく|roku}} |- | align="right" | [[7]] | {{lang|ja|七}} | {{Nihongo||しち|shichi}} | {{Nihongo||なな・つ|nana(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||なな|nana}} |- | align="right" | [[8]] | {{lang|ja|八}} | {{Nihongo||はち|hachi}} | {{Nihongo||やっ・つ|yat(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||はち|hachi}} |- | align="right" | [[9]] | {{lang|ja|九}} | {{lang|ja|ku}}, {{Nihongo||く, きゅう|kyū}} | {{Nihongo||ここの・つ|kokono(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||きゅう|kyū}} |- | align="right" | [[10]] | {{lang|ja|十}} | {{Nihongo||じゅう|jū}} | {{Nihongo||とお|tō}} | {{Nihongo||じゅう|jū}} |- | align="right" | [[20 (number)|20]] | {{lang|ja|二十}} | {{Nihongo||にじゅう|ni-jū}} | {{Nihongo||はた|hata}}† | {{Nihongo||にじゅう|ni-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[30 (number)|30]] | {{lang|ja|三十}} | {{Nihongo||さんじゅう|san-jū}} | {{Nihongo||みそ|miso}}† | {{Nihongo||さんじゅう|san-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[40 (number)|40]] | {{lang|ja|四十}} | {{Nihongo||しじゅう|shi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||よそ|yoso}}† | {{Nihongo||よんじゅう|yon-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[50 (number)|50]] | {{lang|ja|五十}} | {{Nihongo||ごじゅう|go-jū}} | {{Nihongo||いそ|iso}}† | {{Nihongo||ごじゅう|go-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[60 (number)|60]] | {{lang|ja|六十}} | {{Nihongo||ろくじゅう|roku-jū}} | {{Nihongo||むそ|muso}}† | {{Nihongo||ろくじゅう|roku-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[70 (number)|70]] | {{lang|ja|七十}} | {{Nihongo||しちじゅう|shichi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||ななそ|nanaso}}† | {{Nihongo||ななじゅう|nana-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[80 (number)|80]] | {{lang|ja|八十}} | {{Nihongo||はちじゅう|hachi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||やそ|yaso}}† | {{Nihongo||はちじゅう|hachi-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[90 (number)|90]] | {{lang|ja|九十}} | {{Nihongo||くじゅう|ku-jū}} | {{Nihongo||ここのそ|kokonoso}}† | {{Nihongo||きゅうじゅう|kyū-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[100]] | {{lang|ja|百}} | {{Nihongo||ひゃく|hyaku}} | {{Nihongo||もも|momo}}† | {{Nihongo||ひゃく|hyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[500 (number)|500]] | {{lang|ja|五百}} | {{Nihongo||ごひゃく|go-hyaku}} | {{Nihongo||いお|io}}† | {{Nihongo||ごひゃく|go-hyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[800 (number)|800]] | {{lang|ja|八百}} | {{Nihongo||はっぴゃく|hap-pyaku}} | {{Nihongo||やお|yao}}† | {{Nihongo||はっぴゃく|hap-pyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[1000 (number)|1,000]] | {{lang|ja|千}} | {{Nihongo||せん|sen}} | {{Nihongo||ち|chi}}† | {{Nihongo||せん|sen}} |- | align="right" | [[10,000]] | {{lang|ja|万}} | {{Nihongo||まん|man}} | {{Nihongo||よろず|yorozu}}† | {{Nihongo||まん|man}} |- | align="right" | [[100,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|億}} | {{Nihongo||おく|oku}} |— | {{Nihongo||おく|oku}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)#1012|1,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|兆}} | {{Nihongo||ちょう|chō}} |— | {{Nihongo||ちょう|chō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10,000,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|京}} | {{Nihongo||けい|kei}} |— | {{Nihongo||けい|kei}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|100,000,000,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|垓}} | {{Nihongo||がい|gai}} |— | {{Nihongo||がい|gai}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10²⁴]] | {{lang|ja|𥝱}} | {{Nihongo||じょ|jo}} |— | {{Nihongo||じょ|jo}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10²⁸]] | {{lang|ja|穣}} | {{Nihongo||じょう|jō}} |— | {{Nihongo||じょう|jō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10³²]] | {{lang|ja|溝}} | {{Nihongo||こう|kō}} |— | {{Nihongo||こう|kō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10³⁶]] | {{lang|ja|澗}} | {{Nihongo||かん|kan}} |— | {{Nihongo||かん|kan}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁰]] | {{lang|ja|正}} | {{Nihongo||せい|sei}} |— | {{Nihongo||せい|sei}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁴]] | {{lang|ja|載}} | {{Nihongo||さい|sai}} |— | {{Nihongo||さい|sai}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁸]] | {{lang|ja|極}} | {{Nihongo||ごく|goku}} |— | {{Nihongo||ごく|goku}} |} <small><nowiki>*</nowiki> Imaje se takože specialno čitanje 〇 ({{-|''maru''}}), čto označaje "krugly" ili "krug". Ono može koristati se opcionalno, kogda čitajut se odděljene cifry v nomeru jedna po jednoj, vměsto vsego čisla. Polpularnym priměrim jest [[109 (trgovy dom)|znamenity magazin "109"]] v četvrti [[Shibuya|Šibuja, Tokio]], ktory čitaje se kako {{lang|en|ichi-maru-kyū}} (Kandži: {{lang|ja|一〇九}}). (On takože može čitati se kako 'deset-devet'— izgovarjaje se {{lang|en|tō-kyū}} — čto jest igra slov s nazvanjem tokijskogo trgovogo doma, ktory vladaje budynkom.) Tuto izkoristanje {{lang|en|maru}} za čislnu 0 jest podobno poněkogdomu čitanju čisla 0 v anglijskom jezyku kako {{-| ''oh''}}. Jednakože, kako čislo, jego jedino zapisyvajut kako 0 ili {{Nihongo|零|{{-|rei}}}}. Čtovyše, dva i pet igovarjajut s dolgoju samoglaskoju v telefoničnyh nomerah (napr. {{lang|ja|にい}} {{lang|en|nī}} i {{lang|ja|ごお}} {{lang|en|gō}}). Čisla poslě {{lang|en|kei}} koristajut rědko. Tym ne menje, oni sut prědstavjene tut.</small> Kako odměčaje se vyše, {{lang|en|yon}} (4) i {{lang|en|nana}} (7) sut uprědnostnjene nad {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}}. Prědpokladaje se, že tuto jest svezano s tym, že {{lang|en|shi}} jest takože čitanjem slova 死 (smrt), čto děljae jego neščestlivym čitanjem (gledite [[tetrafobija]]); dokolě {{lang|en|shichi}} može zvučati velmi slično s {{lang|en|ichi}} (1), {{lang|en|shi}} ili {{lang|en|hachi}} (8). Jednakože, v cělom redu stanovjenyh slov i rěčenij, {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}} sut stale preferovane; tako, pri sčitanju (kako v {{lang|en|"ichi, ni, san, shi,..."}}), {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}} mogut iměti prědnost. Čislo 9 takože mněvaje se nesčestlivym; kogda izgovarjaje se {{lang|en|ku}}, ono sozvučno 苦 (stradanje). Čislo 13 poněkogda mněvaje se nesčestlivym, ale jest to kalka [[Triskaidekafobia|zapadnoj tradicije]]. Naprotiv, 7 i poněkogda 8 mněvajut se sčestlivymy u japoncev.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://lingualift.com/blog/lucky-unlucky-numbers-japan/|title=The number of death: Lucky and unlucky numbers in Japan|website=The Science of Language Self-Study {{!}} LinguaLift Blog|access-date=2016-03-24}}</ref> V sovrěmennom japonskom jezyku, redne čislovniky pomimo 4 i 7 sut obyčno koristane v čitanju {{lang|en|on}}. Alternativno čitanje byvaje v nazvah měsecev, čislah dnjev v měsecu i stalyh izrazah; napriměr, april, julij, i september nazyvajut se {{lang|en|'''shi'''-gatsu}} (4. měsec), {{lang|en|'''shichi'''-gatsu}} (7. měsec), i {{lang|en|'''ku'''-gatsu}} (9. měsec). Čitanja {{lang|en|on}} takože koristajut pri prěklikanju dlja sčitanja ljudij (nap. {{lang|en|ichi-ni-san-shi}}). Večši čisla dělajut, kombinujuči tute elementy: *desetky od 20 do 90 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-jū}}" kako od {{Nihongo|二十|{{-|ni-jū}}}} do {{Nihongo|九十|{{-|kyū-jū}}}}. *sotky od 200 do 900 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-hyaku}}". *tyseče od 2000 do 9000 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-sen}}". Počinajuči od {{Nihongo|miriady|万}}, čisla začinajut se s {{Nihongo|一|{{-|ichi}}}}, jestlu ne jest prisutna ina cifra. Tako, 100 bude prosto {{Nihongo|百|{{-|hyaku}}}}, 1000 jest prosto {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}, ale 10000 uže{{Nihongo|一万|{{-|ichiman}}}}, vměsto prosto {{lang|en|man}}. (Tuto odličaje se od [[Kitajsky jezyk|kitajskogo jezyka]], kde čisla začinajut se c {{lang|zh|一}} ako ne jest druga ina cifra prěd njeju, uže od 100.) I jestli {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}neposrědnje prědhodi nazvě kolikosti [[Miriada|miriad]], prěd {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}obyčno dodavajut {{Nihongo|一|{{-|ichi}}}}, čto davaje {{Nihongo|一千|{{-|issen}}}}. Tako, 10,000,000 (bukvalno 1000,0000) obyčno čitajut kako {{Nihongo|一千万|{{-|issenman}}}}. Ale ako {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}} ''ne'' premo prědhodi kolikosti myriad, dodavanje {{Nihongo|一|ichi}}jest opcionalno. Tako, 15,000,000 (1500,0000) čitaje se kako {{Nihongo|千五百万|sengohyakuman}} ili {{Nihongo|一千五百万|issengohyakuman}}, ravno i kako 1500 čitaje se {{Nihongo|千五百|sengohyaku}}ili {{Nihongo|一千五百|issengohyaku}}. Sut i něktore fonetične modifikacije v ozvučanju něktoryh velikyh čisel, [[Oglasovanje i obezglasovanje suglasok|oglasovanje]] ili [[gemacija]] něktoryh suglasok, kako to često byvaje v japonskom jezyku (napr. {{lang|en|[[rendaku]]}}): napr. {{lang|en|roku}} "šest" i {{lang|en|hyaku}} "sto" dělajut {{lang|en|roppyaku}} "šestsot". {| class="wikitable" ! × !! 1 !! 2 !! 3 !! 4 !! 5 !! 6 !! 7 !! 8 !! 9 !! 10 !! 100 !! 1000 |- | align="right" | 100 | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hyaku, ippyaku}} | {{lang|en|nihyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sanbyaku}} | {{lang|en|yonhyaku}} | {{lang|en|gohyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|roppyaku}} | {{lang|en|nanahyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|happyaku}} | {{lang|en|kyūhyaku}} |— |— |— |- | align="right" | 1,000 | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sen, issen}} | {{lang|en|nisen}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sanzen}} | {{lang|en|yonsen}} | {{lang|en|gosen}} | {{lang|en|rokusen}} | {{lang|en|nanasen}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hassen}} | {{lang|en|kyūsen}} | — | — | — |- | align="right" | 10{{sup|12}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|itchō}} | {{lang|en|nichō}} | {{lang|en|sanchō}} | {{lang|en|yonchō}} | {{lang|en|gochō}} | {{lang|en|rokuchō}} | {{lang|en|nanachō}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hatchō}} | {{lang|en|kyūchō}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|jutchō}}* | {{lang|en|hyakuchō}} | {{lang|en|issenchō}} |- | align="right" | 10{{sup|16}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|ikkei}} | {{lang|en|nikei}} | {{lang|en|sankei}} | {{lang|en|yonkei}} | {{lang|en|gokei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|rokkei}} | {{lang|en|nanakei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hakkei}} | {{lang|en|kyūkei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|jukkei}}* | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hyakkei}}** | {{lang|en|issenkei}} |} <small><nowiki>*</nowiki> Takože priměnjaje se k kratnym 10. Koncovka měnjaje se od {{lang|en|-jū}} na {{lang|en|-jutchō}} ili {{lang|en|-jukkei}}.<br /><nowiki>**</nowiki> Takože priměnjaje se k kratnym 100. Koncovka {{lang|en|-ku}} měnjaje se na {{lang|en|-kkei}}.</small> V čislah nad 10, elementy sut soredjene, i ne koristajut se nuly. Japonske čislovniky imajut ne pozicijnu, a multiplikativno-aditivnu sistemu; da by napisati čislo 20, trěba napisati simbol {{Nihongo|"dva"|二}}, a potom simbol {{Nihongo|"deset"|十}}, da by polučiti dvě desetky ili {{Nihongo|"dvadeset"|二十}}. {| class="wikitable" ! Čislo !! Znaky !! Čitanje !Značenje |- | align="right" | 11 || {{lang|ja|十一}} || {{lang|en|jū ichi}} |deset i jedno |- | align="right" | 17 || {{lang|ja|十七}} || {{lang|en|jū nana, jū shichi}} |deset i sedm |- | align="right" | 151 || {{lang|ja|百五十一}} || {{lang|en|hyaku go-jū ichi}} |sto, pet desetok i jedno |- | align="right" | 302 || {{lang|ja|三百二}} || {{lang|en|san-byaku ni}} |tri sta i dva |- | align="right" | 469 || {{lang|ja|四百六十九}} || {{lang|en|yon-hyaku roku-jū kyū}} |četyri, šest desetok i devet |- | align="right" | 2025 || {{lang|ja|二千二十五}} || {{lang|en|ni-sen ni-jū go}} |dva tyseče, dvě desetky i pet |} ===Čislne redky i desetične čisla=== Japonske cifry od 1 do 9 obyčno se koristajut izolovano. Redky cifr imajut slegka inako čitanje s prodolženymi samoglaskami za 2 (''nī'') i 5 (''gō''), i menje često, 4 (''shī'') i 9 (''kū''). Tako dělajut zato, že kogda prěčisljajut cifry, ako možno, oni muset byti v grupah po dvě, každa iz njih musi sostojeti točno iz četyreh [[Mora (lingvistika)|mor]], čto dělaje neobhodnym prodolženje obyčno jednomornyh cifr kako ''ni'', ''go'', ''shi'' and ''ku''.<ref name=nhk-2005-2>{{cite web|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250622082124/https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20250601_1.html|url=https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20250601_1.html|archive-date=22 June 2025|lang=ja|script-title=ja:語の読み方（語形）について数字の読み方～小数の読み方～|work=NHK Bunken|publisher=NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute|last=Yamashita|first=Yōko|last2=Fujii|first2=Madoka|date=28 February 2025|access-date=23 September 2025|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250622082259/https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20180501_4.html|url=https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20180501_4.html|archive-date=22 June 2025|date=1 May 2018|lang=ja|script-title=ja:数詞の発音とアクセント|work=NHK Bunken|publisher=NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute|last=Sakurai|first=Shigeharu|last2=Akinaga|first2=Kazue|access-date=23 September 2025|url-status=live}}</ref> Napiměr, taky redok kako '''5'''4'''2'''62 se izgovarjaje {{-|'''''gō'''-yon '''nī'''-roku ni''}}, kde prve dvě grupy sut kvadrimoraične. [[Japonsko tonalno udarjenje|Udarjenje]] pri tom padaje prědposlědnju moru kažfoj grupy, ako li to jest možlivo, odsud {{-|[ɡoː jóɴ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲiː ɾókɯ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲí]}}.<ref name=hirayama-1961>{{cite book|lang=ja|script-title=ja:全国アクセント辞典|first=Teruo|last=Hirayama|publisher=Tōkyōdō|date=25 December 1961|p=897}}</ref> Tuto pravilo takože priměnjaje se k poslědnoj cifrě celoj česti čisla i ko vsim cifram desetičnoj česti desetičnogo čisla.<ref name=nhk-2005-2/><ref name=hirayama-1961/> Napriměr, tako desetično čislo kako 25'''2'''.'''25'''5 se izgovarjaje {{-|''nihyaku gojū '''nī'''-ten '''nī-gō''' go''}} {{-|[ɲiçjakɯ́ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɡodʑɯ́ː <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲíː teɴ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲiː ɡóː <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɡó]}}, kde ''ten'' označaje "točka". ===Druge tipy čisel=== V japonskyh [[Ordinalny čislovnik|ordinalnyh čislovnikah]] koristajut modifikaciju uměstnyh sčetnyh slov, sistema ktoryh v japonskom jezyku jest dosti [[Japonske sčetne slova|komplikovana]]. Da by prěvratiti sčetno slovo (sčislovnik) v ordinalny čislovnik, ktory označaje poziciju v redu, na koncu sčislovnika dodavajut {{lang|ja|目}} {{lang|en|me}}. Tako "jedin raz" bude prěkladati se kako {{lang|ja|一回}} {{lang|en|ikkai}}, a "prvy raz" bude se prěkladati {{lang|ja|一回目}} {{lang|en|ikkaime}}. Tuto pravilo jest ale nedoslědno, ako sčislovniky bez sufiksa {{translit|ja|me}} često koristajut i v ordinalnom, i v [[Kardinalny čislovnik|kardinalnom]] smyslah. Napriměr, {{lang|ja|三階}} {{translit|ja|sangai}} može označati kako "tri etaže", tako i "tretji etaž." [[Distributivny čislovnik|Distributivne čislovniky]] obyčno stvarjajut iz kardinalnogo čislovnika, sčetnogo slova i sufiksa {{Nihongo|{{-|''-zutsu''}}|ずつ|}}, napriklad {{Nihongo|{{-|''hitori-zutsu''}}|一人ずつ|po jednoj osobě za raz, po-jedno}}. == Stupnje 10 == === Velike čisla === Vslěd kitajskoj tradiciji, velike čisla se stvarjajut grupovanjem cifr v [[Miriada|miriady]] (10,000), na razliku od zapadnyh tyseč(1,000) <div class="overflowbugx" style="overflow-x:auto;"> {| class="wikitable" !align="left"|Red |10{{sup|4}} |10{{sup|8}} |10{{sup|12}} |10{{sup|16}} |10{{sup|20}} |10{{sup|24}} |10{{sup|28}} |10{{sup|32}} |10{{sup|36}} |10{{sup|40}} |10{{sup|44}} |10{{sup|48}} |10{{sup|52}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(ili 10{{sup|56}})}}</small> |10{{sup|56}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(ili 10{{sup|64}})}}</small> |10{{sup|60}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|72}})}}</small> |10{{sup|64}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|80}})}}</small> |10{{sup|68}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|88}})}}</small> |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|万}} |{{lang|ja|億}} |{{lang|ja|兆}} |{{lang|ja|京}} |{{lang|ja|垓}} |{{lang|ja|𥝱}}, {{lang|ja|秭}} |{{lang|ja|穣}} |{{lang|ja|溝}} |{{lang|ja|澗}} |{{lang|ja|正}} |{{lang|ja|載}} |{{lang|ja|極}} |{{lang|ja|恒河沙}} |{{lang|ja|阿僧祇}} |{{lang|ja|那由他}}, {{lang|ja|那由多}} |{{lang|ja|不可思議}} |{{lang|ja|無量大数}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|en|man}} |{{lang|en|oku}} |{{lang|en|chō}} |{{lang|en|kei}} |{{lang|en|gai}} |{{lang|en|jo}}, {{lang|en|shi}} |{{lang|en|jō}} |{{lang|en|kō}} |{{lang|en|kan}} |{{lang|en|sei}} |{{lang|en|sai}} |{{lang|en|goku}} |{{lang|en|gōgasha}} |{{lang|en|asōgi}} |{{lang|en|nayuta}} |{{lang|en|fukashigi}} |{{lang|en|muryōtaisū}} |}</div> Razhoděnja sut iz-za {{Nihongo|{{-|[[Jinkōki]]}}|塵劫記|}}, najstaršego matematičnogo teksta Japonije. Originalno izdavanje bylo opublikovano v lětu 1627 i imělo mnogo grěšek, věčšinstvo ktoryh bylo izpravjeno v izdavanju 1631 goda. V lětu 1634 izšlo ješče jedno izdavanje, kde opet bylo izměnjeno několiko veličin. Vyše uvedeno razhodženje jest obuslovjeno nesuglasnostju dvoh poslědnjih izdavanij. Sut razne znaky za 10{{sup|24}} (to jest {{lang|ja|秭}} v kitajskom jezyku tutčas), i po 10{{sup|48}} oni odličajut se tym, že prodolžajut s povyšenjem faktora 10{{sup|4}} ili prěključajut se na faktor 10{{sup|8}}. Ako koristaje se faktor 10{{sup|8}}, medžuintervalne koeficienty 10{{sup|4}} zakryvajut s pomočju {{Nihongo|万|man}}. Nastoječe izdavanje {{lang|en|Jinkōki}}, 11-to, slěduje faktoru 10{{sup|4}} črez cělu sistemu, hoti něktori ljudi ješče koristajut veličiny iz 8-go izdavanja daže tutčas. Poslědnje tri čisla s mnogoslogovymi nazvanjami i razhodženjem veličin v koncu koncev izvodet se iz Indije, hoti tam oni ne iměli oprědeljennyh veličin. {{Nihongo|恒河沙||gōgasha}} prvonačelno koristalo se v budističskyh traktatah za označevanje bezměrno ogromnogo; ono proizhodi iz [[Sanskrit|sanskritskogo]] {{lang|sa|गङ्गा}} {{lang|en|gangā}} '[[Ganges|Ganga]]' (čto udobno vključaje znaky {{Nihongo|'rěka'|河|ka}} i {{Nihongo|'pěsok'|沙|sha}}, odsylajuči k neizčislimomu množstvu čestic pěska na rěkě Ganga. {{Nihongo||阿僧祇|asōgi}}, from Sanskrit {{lang|sa|असंख्येय}} {{lang|en|asaṃkhyeya}} 'uncountable/innumerable', with the negative prefix {{Nihongo||阿|a}}, and {{Nihongo||那由他|nayuta}} is from Sanskrit {{lang|sa|नयुत/नयुतः}} {{lang|en|nayuta(ḥ)}}. After that, the numbers are Buddhist terms translated into or coined in Chinese and later assigned numerical values: {{Nihongo|'unimaginable'|不可思議|fukashigi}} and {{Nihongo|'immeasurably large number'|無量大数|muryōtaisū}}. Examples: ''(spacing by groups of four digits is given only for clarity of explanation)'' *1 0000 : {{Nihongo|一万|ichi-man}} *983 6703 : {{Nihongo|九百八十三万 六千七百三|kyū-hyaku hachi-jū san-man, roku-sen nana-hyaku san}} *20 3652 1801 : {{Nihongo|二十億 三千六百五十二万 千八百一|ni-jū oku, san-zen rop-pyaku go-jū ni-man, sen hap-pyaku ichi}} However, numbers written in Arabic numerals are separated by commas every three digits following English-speaking convention. If Arabic numbers and kanji are used in combination, Western orders of magnitude may be used for numbers smaller than 10,000 (e.g. {{lang|ja|2,500万}} for 25,000,000). In Japanese, when long numbers are written out in kanji, zeros are omitted for all powers of ten. Hence 4002 is {{lang|ja|四千二}} (in contrast, Chinese requires the use of {{lang|zh|零}} wherever a zero appears, e.g. {{lang|zh|四千零二}} for 4002). However, when reading out a statement of accounts, for example, the skipped digit or digits are sometimes indicated by {{Nihongo|飛び|tobi}} or {{Nihongo|飛んで|tonde}}): e.g. {{lang|ja|yon-sen '''tobi''' ni}} or {{lang|en|yon-sen '''tonde''' ni}} instead of the normal {{lang|en|yon-sen ni}}. === Drobne čisla === Japanese has two systems of numerals for decimal fractions. They are no longer in general use, but are still used in some instances such as batting and fielding averages of baseball players, winning percentages for sports teams, and in some idiomatic phrases such as 五分五分の勝負 ({{-|''gobugobu no shōbu''}}, 'fifty-fifty chance'}}, and when representing a rate or discount. The {{lang|en|bu}} fractions are also used when talking about fevers—for example {{Nihongo|九度二分|kudonibu}} for 9 and two parts—referring to the temperature 39.2°C. One system is as follows: {| class="wikitable" !align=left|Red |10{{sup|−1}} |10{{sup|−2}} |10{{sup|−3}} |10{{sup|−4}} |10{{sup|−5}} |10{{sup|−6}} |10{{sup|−7}} |10{{sup|−8}} |10{{sup|−9}} |10{{sup|−10}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|分}} |{{lang|ja|厘}} |{{lang|ja|毛}} |{{lang|ja|糸}} |{{lang|ja|忽}} |{{lang|ja|微}} |{{lang|ja|繊}} |{{lang|ja|沙}} |{{lang|ja|塵}} |{{lang|ja|埃}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|jen|bu}} |{{lang|en|rin}} |{{lang|en|mō}} |{{lang|en|shi}} |{{lang|en|kotsu}} |{{lang|en|bi}} |{{lang|en|sen}} |{{lang|en|sha}} |{{lang|en|jin}} |{{lang|en|ai}} |} This is the system used with the traditional [[Japanese units of measurement]]. Several of the names are used "as is" to represent a fraction of a [[cun (unit)|{{lang|en|sun}}]]. The other system of representing these decimal fractions of rate or discount uses a system "shifted down" with a {{lang|ja|bu}} becoming a "one hundredth" and so on, and the unit for "tenth" becoming {{lang|ja|wari}}: {| class="wikitable" !align=left|Red |10{{sup|−1}} |10{{sup|−2}} |10{{sup|−3}} |10{{sup|−4}} |10{{sup|−5}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|割}} |{{lang|ja|分}} |{{lang|ja|厘}} |{{lang|ja|毛}} |{{lang|ja|糸}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|en|wari}} |{{lang|en|bu}} |{{lang|en|rin}} |{{lang|en|mō}} |{{lang|en|shi}} |} This is often used with prices. For example: *{{Nihongo|一割五分引き|ichi-wari go-bu biki}}: 15% discount *{{Nihongo|打率三割八分九厘|daritsu san-wari hachi-bu kyū-rin}}: batting average .389 With the exception of {{lang|ja|wari}}, these are rarely seen in modern usage. Decimal fractions are typically written with either kanji numerals (vertically) or Arabic numerals (horizontally), preceded by a decimal point, and are read as successive digits, as in Western convention. Note that, in written form, they can be combined with either the traditional system of expressing numerals (42.195 kilometers: {{lang|ja|四十二・一九五 キロメートル}}), in which powers of ten are written, or with the place value system, which uses zero (50.04 percent: {{lang|ja|五〇・〇四 パーセント.}}) In both cases, however, the reading follows the traditional system ({{lang|ja|yon-jū ni-ten ichi-kyū go kiromētoru}} for 42.195 kilometers; {{lang|ja|go ju-tten rei-yon pāsento}} for 50.04 percent.) == В именах == Существуют имена {{нихонго|[[Millennium Actress|Тиёко]]|千代子||дословно «тысяча лет» (женское)}}, {{нихонго|Тидзуру|千鶴||дословно «тысяча [[Японский журавль|журавлей]]» (женское)}}, {{нихонго|Тикао|千禾夫||дословно «муж — тысяча колосьев»}}, фамилия {{нихонго|Титака|千鷹||дословно «тысяча соколов»}}. Одна из японских префектур называется {{нихонго|[[Тиба (префектура)|Тиба]]|千葉||дословно «тысяча листьев»}}. В [[аниме]] «[[Унесённые призраками]]» обыгрывается неоднозначность прочтения иероглифа 千 — «сэн» или «ти»: имя главной героини — {{нихонго|Тихиро|千尋||дословно «тысяча [[Японская система мер#Меры длины|хиро]]», «бездонная глубина»}}; колдунья «забирает» имя у Тихиро, оставляя ей только один иероглиф и меняя его прочтение. Отныне Тихиро зовётся {{нихонго|Сэн|千||тысяча}}. Кроме того, есть последовательность мужских имён, которыми называют детей по порядку рождения: # {{нихонго|Итиро|一郎|итиро:|первый сын}}, # {{нихонго|Дзиро|二郎|дзиро:|второй сын}}, # {{нихонго|Сабуро|三郎|сабуро:}}, # {{нихонго|Сиро|四郎|сиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Горо|五郎|горо:}}, # {{нихонго|Рокуро|六郎|рокуро:}}, # {{нихонго|Ситиро|七郎|ситиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Хатиро|八郎|хатиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Куро|九郎|куро:}}, # {{нихонго|Дзюро|十郎|дзю:ро:}}, # {{нихонго|Тоитиро|十一郎|тоитиро:}} или {{нихонго|Дзюитиро|十一郎|дзю:итиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Дзюдзиро|十二郎|дзю:дзиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Тосабуро|十三郎|тосабуро:}} или {{нихонго|Дзюсабуро|十三郎|дзю:сабуро:}}. После [[Вторая мировая война|Второй мировой войны]] имена «больше» Сабуро почти вышли из употребления. Кроме указанных имён есть даже {{нихонго|Дзюсиро|十四郎|дзю:сиро:|четырнадцатый сын}} и {{нихонго|Хякуро|百郎|хякуро:|сотый сын}}: их, кроме прочих, носят актёр [[Кабуки]] [[Коноэ, Дзюсиро|Дзюсиро Коноэ]] (近衛 十四郎) и [[мангака]] [[Мурасаки, Хякуро|Хякуро Мурасаки]] (村崎 百郎). == Formalne čislovniky == [[File:Shoe Boxes (743286602).jpg|thumb|{{lang|en|[[Getabako]]}}]] As with Chinese numerals, there exists in Japanese a separate set of kanji for numerals called {{Nihongo||大字|'''daiji'''}} used in legal and financial documents to prevent unscrupulous individuals from adding a stroke or two, turning a one into a two or a three. The formal numbers are identical to the [[Chinese financial numerals|Chinese formal numbers]] except for minor stroke variations. Today, the numbers for one, two, three, and ten are written only in their formal form in legal documents (the numbers 4 to 9 as well as 100, 1000 and 10000 are written identically to the common ones, cf. table below).<ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:大正十一年大蔵省令第四十三号 (会計法規ニ基ク出納計算ノ数字及記載事項ノ訂正ニ関スル件) |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/T11/T11F03401000043.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023833/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/T11/T11F03401000043.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『第一条: 会計法規ニ基ク出納計算ニ関スル諸書類帳簿ニ記載スル金額其ノ他ノ数量ニシテ「一」、「二」、「三」、「十」、「廿」、「卅」ノ数字ハ「壱」、「弐」、「参」、「拾」、「弐拾」、「参拾」ノ字体ヲ用ユヘシ但横書ヲ為ストキハ「アラビア」数字ヲ用ユルコトヲ得』}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:戸籍法施行規則 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S22/S22F00501000094.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023839/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S22/S22F00501000094.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:「第三十一条 2: 年月日を記載するには、壱、弐、参、拾の文字を用いなければならない。」}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:小切手振出等事務取扱規程 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S26/S26F03401000020.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023849/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S26/S26F03401000020.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『附則 (昭和四〇年四月一日大蔵省令第二〇号) 2: 小切手の券面金額は、当分の間、所定の金額記載欄に、漢数字により表示することができる。この場合においては、「一」、「二」、「三」及び「十」の字体は、それぞれ「壱」、「弐」、「参」及び「拾」の漢字を用い、かつ、所定の金額記載欄の上方余白に当該金額記載欄に記載の金額と同額をアラビア数字で副記しなければならない。』}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:商業登記規則 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S39/S39F03201000023.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20090202084605/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S39/S39F03201000023.html |archive-date=2009-02-02 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『第四十八条 2: 金銭その他の物の数量、年月日及び番号を記載するには、「壱、弐、参、拾」の文字を用いなければならない。ただし、横書きをするときは、アラビヤ数字を用いることができる。』}}</ref> These numbers' common forms can be changed to a higher value by adding strokes (1 and 2 were explained above, while 3 can be changed to 5, and 10 to 1000). In some cases, the digit 1 is explicitly written like {{lang|ja|壱百壱拾}} for 110, as opposed to {{lang|ja|百十}} in common writing. Formal numbers: {| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center" ! rowspan="2" | Number ! rowspan="2" | Common ! colspan="2" | Formal |- ! In use !! Obsolete |- | align="right" | 1 || {{lang|ja|一}} || {{lang|ja|壱}} || {{lang|ja|壹}} |- | align="right" | 2 || {{lang|ja|二}} || {{lang|ja|弐}} || {{lang|ja|貳}} |- | align="right" | 3 || {{lang|ja|三}} || {{lang|ja|参}} || {{lang|ja|參}} |- | align="right" | 4 || {{lang|ja|四}} || {{lang|ja|四}} || {{lang|ja|肆}} |- | align="right" | 5 || {{lang|ja|五}} || {{lang|ja|五}} || {{lang|ja|伍}} |- | align="right" | 6 || {{lang|ja|六}} || {{lang|ja|六}} || {{lang|ja|陸}} |- | align="right" | 7 || {{lang|ja|七}} || {{lang|ja|七}} || {{lang|ja|柒}}, {{lang|ja|漆}} |- | align="right" | 8 || {{lang|ja|八}} || {{lang|ja|八}} || {{lang|ja|捌}} |- | align="right" | 9 || {{lang|ja|九}} || {{lang|ja|九}} || {{lang|ja|玖}} |- | align="right" | 10 || {{lang|ja|十}} || {{lang|ja|拾}} || {{lang|ja|拾}} |- | align="right" | 100 || {{lang|ja|百}} || {{lang|ja|百}} || {{lang|ja|佰}} |- | align="right" | 1000 || {{lang|ja|千}} || {{lang|ja|千}} || {{lang|ja|阡}}, {{lang|ja|仟}} |- | align="right" | 10000 || {{lang|ja|万}} || {{lang|ja|万}}, {{lang|ja|萬}} || {{lang|ja|萬}} |} The four current [[banknotes of the Japanese yen]], 1000-yen, 2000-yen, 5000-yen, and 10000-yen, have formal numbers {{lang|ja|千}}, {{lang|ja|弐千}}, {{lang|ja|五千}}, and {{lang|ja|壱万}}, respectively. ==V starojaponskom jezyku== [[Old Japanese]] shares some vocabulary with later periods, but there are also unique number terms over 10 which are not used any more, aside from being parts of specific [[lexeme]]s. Notes: * The transcription is based on the [[phoneme]] and is not [[phonetics|phonetic]]. See [[Old Japanese]] for further information. * See {{lang|ja|[[Jōdai Tokushu Kanazukai]]}} for information on subscript notation. <!--NOTE: Please do NOT change /h/ to /p/. The transcription is phonemic, not phonetic. While it must have been [p] at some time in the past, during the Old Japanese period it was [ɸ]. --> {| class="wikitable" ! Čislo ! Izgovor ! Priklady ! Primětky |- | align="right" | 1 | [[wiktionary:一#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|一日}} {{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂pi₁}} (1 day), {{lang|ojp|一年}} {{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂to₂se}} (1 year) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 2 | [[wiktionary:二#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|futa}}]] | {{lang|ojp|二夜}} {{lang|ojp|futayo₂}} (2 nights) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 3 | [[wiktionary:三#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|mi₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|三十}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁so₁}} (30) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 4 | [[wiktionary:四#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|yo₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|四十}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂so₁}} (40), {{lang|ojp|四人}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂tari}} (4 people) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 5 | [[wiktionary:五#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|itu}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五年}} {{lang|ojp|ituto₂se}} (5 years) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 6 | [[wiktionary:六#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|mu}}]] | {{lang|ojp|六爪}} {{lang|ojp|mutuma}} (6 claws) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 7 | [[wiktionary:七#Noun|{{lang|ojp|nana}}]] | {{lang|ojp|七瀬}} {{lang|ojp|nanase}} (many rapids) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 8 | [[wiktionary:八#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|ya}}]] | {{lang|ojp|八雲}} {{lang|ojp|yakumo₁}} (many clouds) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 9 | [[wiktionary:九#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|九柱}} {{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂pasira}} (9 nobles / gods) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 10 | [[wiktionary:十#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|to₂}}]] / [[wiktionary:十#Noun 3|{{lang|ojp|to₂wo}}]] | {{lang|ojp|十日}} {{lang|ojp|to₂woka}} (10 days) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 10 | [[wiktionary:十#Noun|{{lang|ojp|so₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|三十}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁so₁}} (30), {{lang|ojp|四十}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂so₁}} (40), {{lang|ojp|六十}} {{lang|ojp|muso₁}} (60), {{lang|ojp|八十}} {{lang|ojp|yaso₁}} (80) | Found only in compound words; not used alone. |- | align="right" | 20 | [[wiktionary:二十#Noun|{{lang|ojp|pata}}]] | {{lang|ojp|二十}} {{lang|ojp|patati}} (20), {{lang|ojp|二十人}} {{lang|ojp|patatari}} (20 people), {{lang|ojp|二十年}} {{lang|ojp|patato₂se}} (20 years) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 50 | [[wiktionary:五十|{{lang|ojp|i}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五十日}} {{lang|ojp|ika}} (50 days) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 100 | [[wiktionary:百#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|po}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五百}} {{lang|ojp|ipo}} (500), {{lang|ojp|五百年}} {{lang|ojp|ipoto₂se}} (500 years), {{lang|ojp|五百夜}} {{lang|ojp|ipoyo₂}} (500 nights), {{lang|ojp|八百}} {{lang|ojp|yapo}} (800), {{lang|ojp|三百}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁po}} (300), {{lang|ojp|六百}} {{lang|ojp|mupo}} (600), {{lang|ojp|九百}} {{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂po}} (900) | Used for multiple hundreds in compound numerals. Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 100 | [[wiktionary:百#Noun 3|{{lang|ojp|mo₁mo₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|百日}} {{lang|ojp|mo₁mo₁ka}} (many days) | Used for non-multiple hundred and for the number "100" by itself. Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 1000 | [[wiktionary:千#Noun|{{lang|ojp|ti}}]] | {{lang|ojp|千年}} {{lang|ojp|tito₂se}} (1000 years, many years) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 10000 | [[wiktionary:万#Noun|{{lang|ojp|yo₂ro₂du}}]] | {{lang|ojp|八百万}} {{lang|ojp|yapoyo₂ro₂du}} (8000000, myriad) | Often used to mean many. |} ==Sčitanje na prstah== Japanese uses separate systems for counting for oneself and for displaying numbers to others, which both proceed up to ten. For counting, one begins with the palm open, then counts up to five by curling up (folding down) the fingers, starting from the thumb – thus one has just the thumb down (and others extended), while four has only the little finger extended, and five has a fist. One then counts up to ten by proceeding in the reverse order, extending the fingers, starting at the little finger – thus six is the same as four, seven the same as three, and so forth, with ten ending with the palm open. While this introduces ambiguity, it is not used to present to others, so this is generally not a problem. When displaying for others, one starts with the hand closed, and extends fingers, starting with the index, going to the little finger, then ending with the thumb, as in the United States. For numbers above five, one uses an open hand (indicating five) and places the appropriate number of fingers from the other hand against the palm (palms facing each other) – so six has the index finger against the palm, and so forth.<ref>{{Cite web| url = http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/aa112198.htm| title = Counting on one's fingers. About.com, Japanese Language, Namiko Abe| archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20130120143955/http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/aa112198.htm |archive-date = 2013-01-20}}</ref> To display ten, one presents both hands open and palm outwards. == Zapisyvanje cifr slovami == Since the adoption of [[Arabic numerals]], it has become more and more common for numbers to be written using them. Counters and ordinal numbers are typically written in Arabic numbers, such as {{nihongo|three people|3人|san-nin}}, {{nihongo|July, "seventh-month"|7月|shichigatsu}}, {{nihongo|age 20|20歳|hatachi}}, etc., although {{lang|ja|三人}}, {{lang|ja|七月}} and {{lang|ja|二十歳}} are also acceptable to write (albeit less common). However, numbers that are part of lexemes are typically written in kanji. For example, the term {{nihongo|'vegetable stand / grocer'|八百屋|yaoya}} translates into "800 store" and uses the Old Japanese pronunciation for 800, {{lang|ojp|ya(h)o}}. The notorious Japanese organized crime syndicate, the [[yakuza]], can be written {{lang|ja|八九三}} (or 893), a hand in {{lang|en|[[Oicho-Kabu|oicho-kabu]]}} that is worth 0 points, indicating that yakuza are "worthless persons" or "gambling persons".<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://www.sljfaq.org/afaq/yakuza.html |title=What is the origin of yakuza? |website=www.sljfaq.org |access-date=2016-03-24}}</ref> ==Zrite takože== *[[Chinese numerals]] *[[Decimal separator]] *[[Japanese counter word]] *[[Japanese people]] *[[Japanese wordplay#Numeric substitution|Japanese wordplay § Numeric substitution]] == Referencije == {{Iztočniky}} ==Vnješnje linky== <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> * {{lang|ja|[http://www.moroo.com/uzokusou/misc/suumei/suumei.html 大数の名前について]}} (na japonskom jezyku) * {{Cite web |url= http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanese.html | title = Ancient Japanese number system| archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20180829030749/http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanese.html |archive-date=2018-08-29}} * [http://www.solosequenosenada.com/gramatica/japanese/Learn_Japanese_Numbers.php English exercises for learning Japanese numerals] * [https://web.archive.org/web/20090324035049/http://www.learnjapanesewordsandphrases.com/learnjapanesenumbers.html Audio to learn the pronunciation for Japanese numbers] * [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/kanjinumbers.cgi Convert kanji numerals to arabic numerals] (sci. lang. Japan FAQ page) * [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/numbers.cgi Convert arabic numerals to kanji numerals] (sci. lang. Japan FAQ page) </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese numerals|}} [[Kategorija:Čisla]] [[Kategorija:Japonsky jezyk]] [[Kategorija:Čislovniky]] {{INTERWIKI|Q1337084}} {{Kartka osoba | name = Viktor Coj | native_name = <center>{{Jezyky|ru|Виктор Цой}}</center> | image = [[Fajl:Victor Tsoi 1986.jpg|thumb|center|Viktor Coj v lětu 1986]] | alt = | caption = | birth_name = Viktor Robertovič Coj | birth_date = {{birth date|1962|6|21|df=yes}} | birth_place = [[Sankt-Peterburg|Leningrad]], [[Rosijska Sovětska Federativna Socialističska Republika|RSFSR]], [[Sovětsky Sojuz]] | death_date = {{death date and age|1990|8|15|1962|6|21|df=yes}} | death_place = [[Latvijska Sovětska Socialističska Republika|Latvijska SSR]], Sovětsky Sojuz | death_cause = Avto avarija | resting_place = Bogoslovskoje grobišče, Sankt-Peterburg | occupation = {{Flatlist| * pěvec * avtor pěsnjej * avtor muziky * aktor * avangardny umětnik }} | years_active = 1978–1990 | spouse = {{Plainlist| * Marianna Coj, od 1984 }} | children = [[Aleksandr Coj]], rod. 1985 | module = {{Kartka muzikant|embed=yes <!-- See Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians --> | background = solo_singer <!-- mandatory format: please do not change or remove --> | instrument = {{flatlist| * [[Vokal|vokal]] * [[Gitara|gitara]] * [[Bas-gitara|bas-gitara]] }} | genre = {{Flatlist| * [[Post-punk|post-pank]] * [[New wave (muzika)|nova volna]] * [[gotičny rok]] * [[Punk|pank rok]] }} | label = {{Flatlist| * [[AnTrop]] * [[Firma Melodija|Melodija]] }} | current_member_of = {{Flatlist| * [[Kino (grupa)|Kino]] * [[Avtomatičeskije udovletvoriteli]] * [[Sergej Kurjohin]] }} }} }} Tuto jest peskovišče. [[File:Nihongo.svg|thumb|right|100px| 日本語 (Japonsky jezyk)]] '''Japonsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|ja|日本語 {{!}} にほんご}} | {{-|''Nihongo'' [nʲiho̞ŋːo̞]}}) <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> </span> == Referencije == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese language|}} [[Kategorija:Jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5287}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} cjdi8ol4lsq5b0z0ebhaxvbgnwa7w54 27898 27896 2026-07-02T15:19:04Z Ilja isv 10 27898 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=July 2026}} {{-|''Under construction''}} {{Kartka muzikant | name = {{-|Shakira}} | image = 2023-11-16 Gala de los Latin Grammy, 03 (cropped)02.jpg | caption = Šakira na [[24-ta každoročna nagrada Latin Grammy|{{-|2023 Latin Grammy Awards}}]] | birth_name = {{-|Shakira Isabel Mebarak Ripoll}} | birth_date = {{Birth date|df=y|1977|2|2}} | birth_place = [[Barranquilla|Barankija]], {{-|Atlántico|Атлантико}}, Kolombija | occupation = {{hlist|pevica|avtorka pěsnij|tancorka|muzikalna producentka}} | organization = {{-|[[Barefoot Foundation]]}} | years_active = 1990–sučasnost | works = {{hlist|[[Šakira#Diskografija|Discografija]]|[[Šakira#Spisok pěsnij|zapisane pěsnjie]]|[[Šakira#Videografija|Videografija]]|[[Šakira#Spisok koncertov|koncerty]]|[[Šakira#Koncerty v zapisu|koncerty v zapisu]]}} | partner = {{unbulleted list | [[Antonio de la Rúa|Antonio de la Rua]] (2000–2010) | [[Gerard Piqué|Žerar Pike]] (2010–2022) }} | children = 2 | awards = {{hlist|[[Šakira#Spisok nagrad|Nagrady]]|[[Šakira#Rekordy i doseganja|rekordy]]|[[Šakira#kulturny vplyv|vlivanje]]}} | website = [https://shakira.com {{-|shakira.com}}] | signature = Shakira signature, Billboard Open Letter 2016.png | module = {{Kartka muzikant |embed=yes | origin = [[Bogotá|Bogota]], Kolumbija | instruments = {{hlist|vokal|gitary|harmonika|bubny}} | genre = <!-- Genres reliable sources most commonly categorize artist; aim for generality and two to four genres: [[Template:Kartka muzikant/doc#genre]]. --> {{hlist|[[Latinska musika|latino]]|[[Pop musika|pop]]|[[Tanečna muzika|dans]]|[[Rok (muzika)|rok]]}} | label = {{-|{{hlist|[[Sony Music Colombia|Sony Colombia]]|[[Epic Records|Epic]]|[[RCA Records|RCA]]|[[Sony Latin]] <!-- Note: Do not add Roc Nation as she is signed to the label for management purposes, not album and single releases. Also, please keep in alphabetical order. -->}}}} }} }} {{nihongo|'''Japonske čislovniky'''|数詞|sūshi}} sut [[Čislovnik (lingvistika)|čislovniky]], koristane v [[Japonsky jezyk|japonskom jezyku]]. V pismennosti oni sut jednake s [[Kitajske čislovniky|kitajskymi čislovnikami]], I velike čisla slědujut kitajskomu stilju s grupovanjem po 10,000. Koristajut se dva izgovory: Sino-Japonsko čitanje ([[On'yomi|{{lang|en|on'yomi}}]]) i Japonsko čitanje {{lang|en|[[Wago|yamato kotoba]]}} (rodne slova, {{lang|en|[[kun'yomi]]}}) [[Kitajske hieroglify|kitajskyh hieroglifov]]. ==Čisla v japonskom jezyku== Sut dva sposoby, kako pisati čisla na japonskom jezyku: [[Arabske cifry|arabskymi ciframi]] (1, 2, 3) ili [[Kitajske čislovniky|kitajskymi čislovnikami]] ({{lang|zh|一}}, {{lang|zh|二}}, {{lang|zh|三}}). Arabske čisla sut vyše često koristane pri [[Horizontalno i vertikalno pisanje v Iztočno aziatskoj pismennosti|horizontalnom pisanju]], a kitajske čisla sut vyše obyčajne pri [[Horizontalno i vertikalno pisanje v Iztočno aziatskoj pismennosti|vertikalnom pisanju]]. Věčšinstvo čisel imaje dva čitanja, kako i večšinstvo [[Kanji|kandži]], to, ktoro jest izvedeno od kitajskogo čitanja, koristaje se za redne čislovniky ([[on'yomi|čitanje {{lang|en|On}}]] ) a rodno japonsko čitanje ([[kun'yomi|čitanje {{lang|en|Kun}}]]) koristaje se nemnogo menje formalno za čisla do 10. V něktoryh slučajah (privedenyh dole), jsponsko čitanje obyčno jest preferovano za vse izkoristanja. Archaične čtanja sut označene †. {| class="wikitable nounderlines" ! Čislo ! Znak ! Čitanje {{lang|en|On}} ! Čitanje {{lang|en|Kun}}<ref>{{cite book |script-title=ja:スーパー大辞林 |trans-title=Super [[Daijirin]] |language=ja |publisher=[[Sanseidō]] }}</ref> ! Prědnostno čitanje |- | align="right" | [[0]] | {{lang|ja|零}} / {{lang|ja|〇}}{{sup|*}} | {{Nihongo||れい|rei}} | {{Nihongo||まる|maru}} | {{Nihongo||ゼロ|zero}} ([[Pozajetje (lingvistika)|pozajetje]], {{lang|en|[[Loanwords in Japanese|gairaigo]]}}) |- | align="right" | [[1]] | {{lang|ja|一}} | {{Nihongo||いち|ichi}} | {{Nihongo||ひと・つ|hito(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||いち|ichi}} |- | align="right" | [[2]] | {{lang|ja|二}} | {{Nihongo||に|ni}} | {{Nihongo||ふた・つ|futa(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||に|ni}} |- | align="right" | [[3]] | {{lang|ja|三}} | {{Nihongo||さん|san}} | {{Nihongo||みっ・つ|mit(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||さん|san}} |- | align="right" | [[4]] | {{lang|ja|四}} | {{Nihongo||し|shi}} | {{lang|en|yon}}, {{Nihongo||よん、よっ・つ|yot(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||よん|yon}} |- | align="right" | [[5]] | {{lang|ja|五}} | {{Nihongo||ご|go}} | {{Nihongo||いつ・つ|itsu(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||ご|go}} |- | align="right" | [[6]] | {{lang|ja|六}} | {{Nihongo||ろく|roku}} | {{Nihongo||むっ・つ|mut(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||ろく|roku}} |- | align="right" | [[7]] | {{lang|ja|七}} | {{Nihongo||しち|shichi}} | {{Nihongo||なな・つ|nana(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||なな|nana}} |- | align="right" | [[8]] | {{lang|ja|八}} | {{Nihongo||はち|hachi}} | {{Nihongo||やっ・つ|yat(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||はち|hachi}} |- | align="right" | [[9]] | {{lang|ja|九}} | {{lang|ja|ku}}, {{Nihongo||く, きゅう|kyū}} | {{Nihongo||ここの・つ|kokono(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||きゅう|kyū}} |- | align="right" | [[10]] | {{lang|ja|十}} | {{Nihongo||じゅう|jū}} | {{Nihongo||とお|tō}} | {{Nihongo||じゅう|jū}} |- | align="right" | [[20 (number)|20]] | {{lang|ja|二十}} | {{Nihongo||にじゅう|ni-jū}} | {{Nihongo||はた|hata}}† | {{Nihongo||にじゅう|ni-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[30 (number)|30]] | {{lang|ja|三十}} | {{Nihongo||さんじゅう|san-jū}} | {{Nihongo||みそ|miso}}† | {{Nihongo||さんじゅう|san-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[40 (number)|40]] | {{lang|ja|四十}} | {{Nihongo||しじゅう|shi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||よそ|yoso}}† | {{Nihongo||よんじゅう|yon-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[50 (number)|50]] | {{lang|ja|五十}} | {{Nihongo||ごじゅう|go-jū}} | {{Nihongo||いそ|iso}}† | {{Nihongo||ごじゅう|go-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[60 (number)|60]] | {{lang|ja|六十}} | {{Nihongo||ろくじゅう|roku-jū}} | {{Nihongo||むそ|muso}}† | {{Nihongo||ろくじゅう|roku-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[70 (number)|70]] | {{lang|ja|七十}} | {{Nihongo||しちじゅう|shichi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||ななそ|nanaso}}† | {{Nihongo||ななじゅう|nana-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[80 (number)|80]] | {{lang|ja|八十}} | {{Nihongo||はちじゅう|hachi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||やそ|yaso}}† | {{Nihongo||はちじゅう|hachi-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[90 (number)|90]] | {{lang|ja|九十}} | {{Nihongo||くじゅう|ku-jū}} | {{Nihongo||ここのそ|kokonoso}}† | {{Nihongo||きゅうじゅう|kyū-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[100]] | {{lang|ja|百}} | {{Nihongo||ひゃく|hyaku}} | {{Nihongo||もも|momo}}† | {{Nihongo||ひゃく|hyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[500 (number)|500]] | {{lang|ja|五百}} | {{Nihongo||ごひゃく|go-hyaku}} | {{Nihongo||いお|io}}† | {{Nihongo||ごひゃく|go-hyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[800 (number)|800]] | {{lang|ja|八百}} | {{Nihongo||はっぴゃく|hap-pyaku}} | {{Nihongo||やお|yao}}† | {{Nihongo||はっぴゃく|hap-pyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[1000 (number)|1,000]] | {{lang|ja|千}} | {{Nihongo||せん|sen}} | {{Nihongo||ち|chi}}† | {{Nihongo||せん|sen}} |- | align="right" | [[10,000]] | {{lang|ja|万}} | {{Nihongo||まん|man}} | {{Nihongo||よろず|yorozu}}† | {{Nihongo||まん|man}} |- | align="right" | [[100,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|億}} | {{Nihongo||おく|oku}} |— | {{Nihongo||おく|oku}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)#1012|1,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|兆}} | {{Nihongo||ちょう|chō}} |— | {{Nihongo||ちょう|chō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10,000,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|京}} | {{Nihongo||けい|kei}} |— | {{Nihongo||けい|kei}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|100,000,000,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|垓}} | {{Nihongo||がい|gai}} |— | {{Nihongo||がい|gai}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10²⁴]] | {{lang|ja|𥝱}} | {{Nihongo||じょ|jo}} |— | {{Nihongo||じょ|jo}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10²⁸]] | {{lang|ja|穣}} | {{Nihongo||じょう|jō}} |— | {{Nihongo||じょう|jō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10³²]] | {{lang|ja|溝}} | {{Nihongo||こう|kō}} |— | {{Nihongo||こう|kō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10³⁶]] | {{lang|ja|澗}} | {{Nihongo||かん|kan}} |— | {{Nihongo||かん|kan}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁰]] | {{lang|ja|正}} | {{Nihongo||せい|sei}} |— | {{Nihongo||せい|sei}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁴]] | {{lang|ja|載}} | {{Nihongo||さい|sai}} |— | {{Nihongo||さい|sai}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁸]] | {{lang|ja|極}} | {{Nihongo||ごく|goku}} |— | {{Nihongo||ごく|goku}} |} <small><nowiki>*</nowiki> Imaje se takože specialno čitanje 〇 ({{-|''maru''}}), čto označaje "krugly" ili "krug". Ono može koristati se opcionalno, kogda čitajut se odděljene cifry v nomeru jedna po jednoj, vměsto vsego čisla. Polpularnym priměrim jest [[109 (trgovy dom)|znamenity magazin "109"]] v četvrti [[Shibuya|Šibuja, Tokio]], ktory čitaje se kako {{lang|en|ichi-maru-kyū}} (Kandži: {{lang|ja|一〇九}}). (On takože može čitati se kako 'deset-devet'— izgovarjaje se {{lang|en|tō-kyū}} — čto jest igra slov s nazvanjem tokijskogo trgovogo doma, ktory vladaje budynkom.) Tuto izkoristanje {{lang|en|maru}} za čislnu 0 jest podobno poněkogdomu čitanju čisla 0 v anglijskom jezyku kako {{-| ''oh''}}. Jednakože, kako čislo, jego jedino zapisyvajut kako 0 ili {{Nihongo|零|{{-|rei}}}}. Čtovyše, dva i pet igovarjajut s dolgoju samoglaskoju v telefoničnyh nomerah (napr. {{lang|ja|にい}} {{lang|en|nī}} i {{lang|ja|ごお}} {{lang|en|gō}}). Čisla poslě {{lang|en|kei}} koristajut rědko. Tym ne menje, oni sut prědstavjene tut.</small> Kako odměčaje se vyše, {{lang|en|yon}} (4) i {{lang|en|nana}} (7) sut uprědnostnjene nad {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}}. Prědpokladaje se, že tuto jest svezano s tym, že {{lang|en|shi}} jest takože čitanjem slova 死 (smrt), čto děljae jego neščestlivym čitanjem (gledite [[tetrafobija]]); dokolě {{lang|en|shichi}} može zvučati velmi slično s {{lang|en|ichi}} (1), {{lang|en|shi}} ili {{lang|en|hachi}} (8). Jednakože, v cělom redu stanovjenyh slov i rěčenij, {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}} sut stale preferovane; tako, pri sčitanju (kako v {{lang|en|"ichi, ni, san, shi,..."}}), {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}} mogut iměti prědnost. Čislo 9 takože mněvaje se nesčestlivym; kogda izgovarjaje se {{lang|en|ku}}, ono sozvučno 苦 (stradanje). Čislo 13 poněkogda mněvaje se nesčestlivym, ale jest to kalka [[Triskaidekafobia|zapadnoj tradicije]]. Naprotiv, 7 i poněkogda 8 mněvajut se sčestlivymy u japoncev.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://lingualift.com/blog/lucky-unlucky-numbers-japan/|title=The number of death: Lucky and unlucky numbers in Japan|website=The Science of Language Self-Study {{!}} LinguaLift Blog|access-date=2016-03-24}}</ref> V sovrěmennom japonskom jezyku, redne čislovniky pomimo 4 i 7 sut obyčno koristane v čitanju {{lang|en|on}}. Alternativno čitanje byvaje v nazvah měsecev, čislah dnjev v měsecu i stalyh izrazah; napriměr, april, julij, i september nazyvajut se {{lang|en|'''shi'''-gatsu}} (4. měsec), {{lang|en|'''shichi'''-gatsu}} (7. měsec), i {{lang|en|'''ku'''-gatsu}} (9. měsec). Čitanja {{lang|en|on}} takože koristajut pri prěklikanju dlja sčitanja ljudij (nap. {{lang|en|ichi-ni-san-shi}}). Večši čisla dělajut, kombinujuči tute elementy: *desetky od 20 do 90 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-jū}}" kako od {{Nihongo|二十|{{-|ni-jū}}}} do {{Nihongo|九十|{{-|kyū-jū}}}}. *sotky od 200 do 900 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-hyaku}}". *tyseče od 2000 do 9000 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-sen}}". Počinajuči od {{Nihongo|miriady|万}}, čisla začinajut se s {{Nihongo|一|{{-|ichi}}}}, jestlu ne jest prisutna ina cifra. Tako, 100 bude prosto {{Nihongo|百|{{-|hyaku}}}}, 1000 jest prosto {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}, ale 10000 uže{{Nihongo|一万|{{-|ichiman}}}}, vměsto prosto {{lang|en|man}}. (Tuto odličaje se od [[Kitajsky jezyk|kitajskogo jezyka]], kde čisla začinajut se c {{lang|zh|一}} ako ne jest druga ina cifra prěd njeju, uže od 100.) I jestli {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}neposrědnje prědhodi nazvě kolikosti [[Miriada|miriad]], prěd {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}obyčno dodavajut {{Nihongo|一|{{-|ichi}}}}, čto davaje {{Nihongo|一千|{{-|issen}}}}. Tako, 10,000,000 (bukvalno 1000,0000) obyčno čitajut kako {{Nihongo|一千万|{{-|issenman}}}}. Ale ako {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}} ''ne'' premo prědhodi kolikosti myriad, dodavanje {{Nihongo|一|ichi}}jest opcionalno. Tako, 15,000,000 (1500,0000) čitaje se kako {{Nihongo|千五百万|sengohyakuman}} ili {{Nihongo|一千五百万|issengohyakuman}}, ravno i kako 1500 čitaje se {{Nihongo|千五百|sengohyaku}}ili {{Nihongo|一千五百|issengohyaku}}. Sut i něktore fonetične modifikacije v ozvučanju něktoryh velikyh čisel, [[Oglasovanje i obezglasovanje suglasok|oglasovanje]] ili [[gemacija]] něktoryh suglasok, kako to često byvaje v japonskom jezyku (napr. {{lang|en|[[rendaku]]}}): napr. {{lang|en|roku}} "šest" i {{lang|en|hyaku}} "sto" dělajut {{lang|en|roppyaku}} "šestsot". {| class="wikitable" ! × !! 1 !! 2 !! 3 !! 4 !! 5 !! 6 !! 7 !! 8 !! 9 !! 10 !! 100 !! 1000 |- | align="right" | 100 | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hyaku, ippyaku}} | {{lang|en|nihyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sanbyaku}} | {{lang|en|yonhyaku}} | {{lang|en|gohyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|roppyaku}} | {{lang|en|nanahyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|happyaku}} | {{lang|en|kyūhyaku}} |— |— |— |- | align="right" | 1,000 | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sen, issen}} | {{lang|en|nisen}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sanzen}} | {{lang|en|yonsen}} | {{lang|en|gosen}} | {{lang|en|rokusen}} | {{lang|en|nanasen}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hassen}} | {{lang|en|kyūsen}} | — | — | — |- | align="right" | 10{{sup|12}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|itchō}} | {{lang|en|nichō}} | {{lang|en|sanchō}} | {{lang|en|yonchō}} | {{lang|en|gochō}} | {{lang|en|rokuchō}} | {{lang|en|nanachō}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hatchō}} | {{lang|en|kyūchō}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|jutchō}}* | {{lang|en|hyakuchō}} | {{lang|en|issenchō}} |- | align="right" | 10{{sup|16}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|ikkei}} | {{lang|en|nikei}} | {{lang|en|sankei}} | {{lang|en|yonkei}} | {{lang|en|gokei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|rokkei}} | {{lang|en|nanakei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hakkei}} | {{lang|en|kyūkei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|jukkei}}* | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hyakkei}}** | {{lang|en|issenkei}} |} <small><nowiki>*</nowiki> Takože priměnjaje se k kratnym 10. Koncovka měnjaje se od {{lang|en|-jū}} na {{lang|en|-jutchō}} ili {{lang|en|-jukkei}}.<br /><nowiki>**</nowiki> Takože priměnjaje se k kratnym 100. Koncovka {{lang|en|-ku}} měnjaje se na {{lang|en|-kkei}}.</small> V čislah nad 10, elementy sut soredjene, i ne koristajut se nuly. Japonske čislovniky imajut ne pozicijnu, a multiplikativno-aditivnu sistemu; da by napisati čislo 20, trěba napisati simbol {{Nihongo|"dva"|二}}, a potom simbol {{Nihongo|"deset"|十}}, da by polučiti dvě desetky ili {{Nihongo|"dvadeset"|二十}}. {| class="wikitable" ! Čislo !! Znaky !! Čitanje !Značenje |- | align="right" | 11 || {{lang|ja|十一}} || {{lang|en|jū ichi}} |deset i jedno |- | align="right" | 17 || {{lang|ja|十七}} || {{lang|en|jū nana, jū shichi}} |deset i sedm |- | align="right" | 151 || {{lang|ja|百五十一}} || {{lang|en|hyaku go-jū ichi}} |sto, pet desetok i jedno |- | align="right" | 302 || {{lang|ja|三百二}} || {{lang|en|san-byaku ni}} |tri sta i dva |- | align="right" | 469 || {{lang|ja|四百六十九}} || {{lang|en|yon-hyaku roku-jū kyū}} |četyri, šest desetok i devet |- | align="right" | 2025 || {{lang|ja|二千二十五}} || {{lang|en|ni-sen ni-jū go}} |dva tyseče, dvě desetky i pet |} ===Čislne redky i desetične čisla=== Japonske cifry od 1 do 9 obyčno se koristajut izolovano. Redky cifr imajut slegka inako čitanje s prodolženymi samoglaskami za 2 (''nī'') i 5 (''gō''), i menje često, 4 (''shī'') i 9 (''kū''). Tako dělajut zato, že kogda prěčisljajut cifry, ako možno, oni muset byti v grupah po dvě, každa iz njih musi sostojeti točno iz četyreh [[Mora (lingvistika)|mor]], čto dělaje neobhodnym prodolženje obyčno jednomornyh cifr kako ''ni'', ''go'', ''shi'' and ''ku''.<ref name=nhk-2005-2>{{cite web|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250622082124/https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20250601_1.html|url=https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20250601_1.html|archive-date=22 June 2025|lang=ja|script-title=ja:語の読み方（語形）について数字の読み方～小数の読み方～|work=NHK Bunken|publisher=NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute|last=Yamashita|first=Yōko|last2=Fujii|first2=Madoka|date=28 February 2025|access-date=23 September 2025|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250622082259/https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20180501_4.html|url=https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20180501_4.html|archive-date=22 June 2025|date=1 May 2018|lang=ja|script-title=ja:数詞の発音とアクセント|work=NHK Bunken|publisher=NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute|last=Sakurai|first=Shigeharu|last2=Akinaga|first2=Kazue|access-date=23 September 2025|url-status=live}}</ref> Napiměr, taky redok kako '''5'''4'''2'''62 se izgovarjaje {{-|'''''gō'''-yon '''nī'''-roku ni''}}, kde prve dvě grupy sut kvadrimoraične. [[Japonsko tonalno udarjenje|Udarjenje]] pri tom padaje prědposlědnju moru kažfoj grupy, ako li to jest možlivo, odsud {{-|[ɡoː jóɴ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲiː ɾókɯ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲí]}}.<ref name=hirayama-1961>{{cite book|lang=ja|script-title=ja:全国アクセント辞典|first=Teruo|last=Hirayama|publisher=Tōkyōdō|date=25 December 1961|p=897}}</ref> Tuto pravilo takože priměnjaje se k poslědnoj cifrě celoj česti čisla i ko vsim cifram desetičnoj česti desetičnogo čisla.<ref name=nhk-2005-2/><ref name=hirayama-1961/> Napriměr, tako desetično čislo kako 25'''2'''.'''25'''5 se izgovarjaje {{-|''nihyaku gojū '''nī'''-ten '''nī-gō''' go''}} {{-|[ɲiçjakɯ́ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɡodʑɯ́ː <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲíː teɴ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲiː ɡóː <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɡó]}}, kde ''ten'' označaje "točka". ===Druge tipy čisel=== V japonskyh [[Ordinalny čislovnik|ordinalnyh čislovnikah]] koristajut modifikaciju uměstnyh sčetnyh slov, sistema ktoryh v japonskom jezyku jest dosti [[Japonske sčetne slova|komplikovana]]. Da by prěvratiti sčetno slovo (sčislovnik) v ordinalny čislovnik, ktory označaje poziciju v redu, na koncu sčislovnika dodavajut {{lang|ja|目}} {{lang|en|me}}. Tako "jedin raz" bude prěkladati se kako {{lang|ja|一回}} {{lang|en|ikkai}}, a "prvy raz" bude se prěkladati {{lang|ja|一回目}} {{lang|en|ikkaime}}. Tuto pravilo jest ale nedoslědno, ako sčislovniky bez sufiksa {{translit|ja|me}} često koristajut i v ordinalnom, i v [[Kardinalny čislovnik|kardinalnom]] smyslah. Napriměr, {{lang|ja|三階}} {{translit|ja|sangai}} može označati kako "tri etaže", tako i "tretji etaž." [[Distributivny čislovnik|Distributivne čislovniky]] obyčno stvarjajut iz kardinalnogo čislovnika, sčetnogo slova i sufiksa {{Nihongo|{{-|''-zutsu''}}|ずつ|}}, napriklad {{Nihongo|{{-|''hitori-zutsu''}}|一人ずつ|po jednoj osobě za raz, po-jedno}}. == Stupnje 10 == === Velike čisla === Vslěd kitajskoj tradiciji, velike čisla se stvarjajut grupovanjem cifr v [[Miriada|miriady]] (10,000), na razliku od zapadnyh tyseč(1,000) <div class="overflowbugx" style="overflow-x:auto;"> {| class="wikitable" !align="left"|Red |10{{sup|4}} |10{{sup|8}} |10{{sup|12}} |10{{sup|16}} |10{{sup|20}} |10{{sup|24}} |10{{sup|28}} |10{{sup|32}} |10{{sup|36}} |10{{sup|40}} |10{{sup|44}} |10{{sup|48}} |10{{sup|52}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(ili 10{{sup|56}})}}</small> |10{{sup|56}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(ili 10{{sup|64}})}}</small> |10{{sup|60}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|72}})}}</small> |10{{sup|64}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|80}})}}</small> |10{{sup|68}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|88}})}}</small> |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|万}} |{{lang|ja|億}} |{{lang|ja|兆}} |{{lang|ja|京}} |{{lang|ja|垓}} |{{lang|ja|𥝱}}, {{lang|ja|秭}} |{{lang|ja|穣}} |{{lang|ja|溝}} |{{lang|ja|澗}} |{{lang|ja|正}} |{{lang|ja|載}} |{{lang|ja|極}} |{{lang|ja|恒河沙}} |{{lang|ja|阿僧祇}} |{{lang|ja|那由他}}, {{lang|ja|那由多}} |{{lang|ja|不可思議}} |{{lang|ja|無量大数}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|en|man}} |{{lang|en|oku}} |{{lang|en|chō}} |{{lang|en|kei}} |{{lang|en|gai}} |{{lang|en|jo}}, {{lang|en|shi}} |{{lang|en|jō}} |{{lang|en|kō}} |{{lang|en|kan}} |{{lang|en|sei}} |{{lang|en|sai}} |{{lang|en|goku}} |{{lang|en|gōgasha}} |{{lang|en|asōgi}} |{{lang|en|nayuta}} |{{lang|en|fukashigi}} |{{lang|en|muryōtaisū}} |}</div> Razhoděnja sut iz-za {{Nihongo|{{-|[[Jinkōki]]}}|塵劫記|}}, najstaršego matematičnogo teksta Japonije. Originalno izdavanje bylo opublikovano v lětu 1627 i imělo mnogo grěšek, věčšinstvo ktoryh bylo izpravjeno v izdavanju 1631 goda. V lětu 1634 izšlo ješče jedno izdavanje, kde opet bylo izměnjeno několiko veličin. Vyše uvedeno razhodženje jest obuslovjeno nesuglasnostju dvoh poslědnjih izdavanij. Sut razne znaky za 10{{sup|24}} (to jest {{lang|ja|秭}} v kitajskom jezyku tutčas), i po 10{{sup|48}} oni odličajut se tym, že prodolžajut s povyšenjem faktora 10{{sup|4}} ili prěključajut se na faktor 10{{sup|8}}. Ako koristaje se faktor 10{{sup|8}}, medžuintervalne koeficienty 10{{sup|4}} zakryvajut s pomočju {{Nihongo|万|man}}. Nastoječe izdavanje {{lang|en|Jinkōki}}, 11-to, slěduje faktoru 10{{sup|4}} črez cělu sistemu, hoti něktori ljudi ješče koristajut veličiny iz 8-go izdavanja daže tutčas. Poslědnje tri čisla s mnogoslogovymi nazvanjami i razhodženjem veličin v koncu koncev izvodet se iz Indije, hoti tam oni ne iměli oprědeljennyh veličin. {{Nihongo|恒河沙||gōgasha}} prvonačelno koristalo se v budističskyh traktatah za označevanje bezměrno ogromnogo; ono proizhodi iz [[Sanskrit|sanskritskogo]] {{lang|sa|गङ्गा}} {{lang|en|gangā}} '[[Ganges|Ganga]]' (čto udobno vključaje znaky {{Nihongo|'rěka'|河|ka}} i {{Nihongo|'pěsok'|沙|sha}}, odsylajuči k neizčislimomu množstvu čestic pěska na rěkě Ganga. {{Nihongo||阿僧祇|asōgi}}, from Sanskrit {{lang|sa|असंख्येय}} {{lang|en|asaṃkhyeya}} 'uncountable/innumerable', with the negative prefix {{Nihongo||阿|a}}, and {{Nihongo||那由他|nayuta}} is from Sanskrit {{lang|sa|नयुत/नयुतः}} {{lang|en|nayuta(ḥ)}}. After that, the numbers are Buddhist terms translated into or coined in Chinese and later assigned numerical values: {{Nihongo|'unimaginable'|不可思議|fukashigi}} and {{Nihongo|'immeasurably large number'|無量大数|muryōtaisū}}. Examples: ''(spacing by groups of four digits is given only for clarity of explanation)'' *1 0000 : {{Nihongo|一万|ichi-man}} *983 6703 : {{Nihongo|九百八十三万 六千七百三|kyū-hyaku hachi-jū san-man, roku-sen nana-hyaku san}} *20 3652 1801 : {{Nihongo|二十億 三千六百五十二万 千八百一|ni-jū oku, san-zen rop-pyaku go-jū ni-man, sen hap-pyaku ichi}} However, numbers written in Arabic numerals are separated by commas every three digits following English-speaking convention. If Arabic numbers and kanji are used in combination, Western orders of magnitude may be used for numbers smaller than 10,000 (e.g. {{lang|ja|2,500万}} for 25,000,000). In Japanese, when long numbers are written out in kanji, zeros are omitted for all powers of ten. Hence 4002 is {{lang|ja|四千二}} (in contrast, Chinese requires the use of {{lang|zh|零}} wherever a zero appears, e.g. {{lang|zh|四千零二}} for 4002). However, when reading out a statement of accounts, for example, the skipped digit or digits are sometimes indicated by {{Nihongo|飛び|tobi}} or {{Nihongo|飛んで|tonde}}): e.g. {{lang|ja|yon-sen '''tobi''' ni}} or {{lang|en|yon-sen '''tonde''' ni}} instead of the normal {{lang|en|yon-sen ni}}. === Drobne čisla === Japanese has two systems of numerals for decimal fractions. They are no longer in general use, but are still used in some instances such as batting and fielding averages of baseball players, winning percentages for sports teams, and in some idiomatic phrases such as 五分五分の勝負 ({{-|''gobugobu no shōbu''}}, 'fifty-fifty chance'}}, and when representing a rate or discount. The {{lang|en|bu}} fractions are also used when talking about fevers—for example {{Nihongo|九度二分|kudonibu}} for 9 and two parts—referring to the temperature 39.2°C. One system is as follows: {| class="wikitable" !align=left|Red |10{{sup|−1}} |10{{sup|−2}} |10{{sup|−3}} |10{{sup|−4}} |10{{sup|−5}} |10{{sup|−6}} |10{{sup|−7}} |10{{sup|−8}} |10{{sup|−9}} |10{{sup|−10}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|分}} |{{lang|ja|厘}} |{{lang|ja|毛}} |{{lang|ja|糸}} |{{lang|ja|忽}} |{{lang|ja|微}} |{{lang|ja|繊}} |{{lang|ja|沙}} |{{lang|ja|塵}} |{{lang|ja|埃}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|jen|bu}} |{{lang|en|rin}} |{{lang|en|mō}} |{{lang|en|shi}} |{{lang|en|kotsu}} |{{lang|en|bi}} |{{lang|en|sen}} |{{lang|en|sha}} |{{lang|en|jin}} |{{lang|en|ai}} |} This is the system used with the traditional [[Japanese units of measurement]]. Several of the names are used "as is" to represent a fraction of a [[cun (unit)|{{lang|en|sun}}]]. The other system of representing these decimal fractions of rate or discount uses a system "shifted down" with a {{lang|ja|bu}} becoming a "one hundredth" and so on, and the unit for "tenth" becoming {{lang|ja|wari}}: {| class="wikitable" !align=left|Red |10{{sup|−1}} |10{{sup|−2}} |10{{sup|−3}} |10{{sup|−4}} |10{{sup|−5}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|割}} |{{lang|ja|分}} |{{lang|ja|厘}} |{{lang|ja|毛}} |{{lang|ja|糸}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|en|wari}} |{{lang|en|bu}} |{{lang|en|rin}} |{{lang|en|mō}} |{{lang|en|shi}} |} This is often used with prices. For example: *{{Nihongo|一割五分引き|ichi-wari go-bu biki}}: 15% discount *{{Nihongo|打率三割八分九厘|daritsu san-wari hachi-bu kyū-rin}}: batting average .389 With the exception of {{lang|ja|wari}}, these are rarely seen in modern usage. Decimal fractions are typically written with either kanji numerals (vertically) or Arabic numerals (horizontally), preceded by a decimal point, and are read as successive digits, as in Western convention. Note that, in written form, they can be combined with either the traditional system of expressing numerals (42.195 kilometers: {{lang|ja|四十二・一九五 キロメートル}}), in which powers of ten are written, or with the place value system, which uses zero (50.04 percent: {{lang|ja|五〇・〇四 パーセント.}}) In both cases, however, the reading follows the traditional system ({{lang|ja|yon-jū ni-ten ichi-kyū go kiromētoru}} for 42.195 kilometers; {{lang|ja|go ju-tten rei-yon pāsento}} for 50.04 percent.) == В именах == Существуют имена {{нихонго|[[Millennium Actress|Тиёко]]|千代子||дословно «тысяча лет» (женское)}}, {{нихонго|Тидзуру|千鶴||дословно «тысяча [[Японский журавль|журавлей]]» (женское)}}, {{нихонго|Тикао|千禾夫||дословно «муж — тысяча колосьев»}}, фамилия {{нихонго|Титака|千鷹||дословно «тысяча соколов»}}. Одна из японских префектур называется {{нихонго|[[Тиба (префектура)|Тиба]]|千葉||дословно «тысяча листьев»}}. В [[аниме]] «[[Унесённые призраками]]» обыгрывается неоднозначность прочтения иероглифа 千 — «сэн» или «ти»: имя главной героини — {{нихонго|Тихиро|千尋||дословно «тысяча [[Японская система мер#Меры длины|хиро]]», «бездонная глубина»}}; колдунья «забирает» имя у Тихиро, оставляя ей только один иероглиф и меняя его прочтение. Отныне Тихиро зовётся {{нихонго|Сэн|千||тысяча}}. Кроме того, есть последовательность мужских имён, которыми называют детей по порядку рождения: # {{нихонго|Итиро|一郎|итиро:|первый сын}}, # {{нихонго|Дзиро|二郎|дзиро:|второй сын}}, # {{нихонго|Сабуро|三郎|сабуро:}}, # {{нихонго|Сиро|四郎|сиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Горо|五郎|горо:}}, # {{нихонго|Рокуро|六郎|рокуро:}}, # {{нихонго|Ситиро|七郎|ситиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Хатиро|八郎|хатиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Куро|九郎|куро:}}, # {{нихонго|Дзюро|十郎|дзю:ро:}}, # {{нихонго|Тоитиро|十一郎|тоитиро:}} или {{нихонго|Дзюитиро|十一郎|дзю:итиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Дзюдзиро|十二郎|дзю:дзиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Тосабуро|十三郎|тосабуро:}} или {{нихонго|Дзюсабуро|十三郎|дзю:сабуро:}}. После [[Вторая мировая война|Второй мировой войны]] имена «больше» Сабуро почти вышли из употребления. Кроме указанных имён есть даже {{нихонго|Дзюсиро|十四郎|дзю:сиро:|четырнадцатый сын}} и {{нихонго|Хякуро|百郎|хякуро:|сотый сын}}: их, кроме прочих, носят актёр [[Кабуки]] [[Коноэ, Дзюсиро|Дзюсиро Коноэ]] (近衛 十四郎) и [[мангака]] [[Мурасаки, Хякуро|Хякуро Мурасаки]] (村崎 百郎). == Formalne čislovniky == [[File:Shoe Boxes (743286602).jpg|thumb|{{lang|en|[[Getabako]]}}]] As with Chinese numerals, there exists in Japanese a separate set of kanji for numerals called {{Nihongo||大字|'''daiji'''}} used in legal and financial documents to prevent unscrupulous individuals from adding a stroke or two, turning a one into a two or a three. The formal numbers are identical to the [[Chinese financial numerals|Chinese formal numbers]] except for minor stroke variations. Today, the numbers for one, two, three, and ten are written only in their formal form in legal documents (the numbers 4 to 9 as well as 100, 1000 and 10000 are written identically to the common ones, cf. table below).<ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:大正十一年大蔵省令第四十三号 (会計法規ニ基ク出納計算ノ数字及記載事項ノ訂正ニ関スル件) |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/T11/T11F03401000043.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023833/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/T11/T11F03401000043.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『第一条: 会計法規ニ基ク出納計算ニ関スル諸書類帳簿ニ記載スル金額其ノ他ノ数量ニシテ「一」、「二」、「三」、「十」、「廿」、「卅」ノ数字ハ「壱」、「弐」、「参」、「拾」、「弐拾」、「参拾」ノ字体ヲ用ユヘシ但横書ヲ為ストキハ「アラビア」数字ヲ用ユルコトヲ得』}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:戸籍法施行規則 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S22/S22F00501000094.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023839/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S22/S22F00501000094.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:「第三十一条 2: 年月日を記載するには、壱、弐、参、拾の文字を用いなければならない。」}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:小切手振出等事務取扱規程 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S26/S26F03401000020.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023849/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S26/S26F03401000020.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『附則 (昭和四〇年四月一日大蔵省令第二〇号) 2: 小切手の券面金額は、当分の間、所定の金額記載欄に、漢数字により表示することができる。この場合においては、「一」、「二」、「三」及び「十」の字体は、それぞれ「壱」、「弐」、「参」及び「拾」の漢字を用い、かつ、所定の金額記載欄の上方余白に当該金額記載欄に記載の金額と同額をアラビア数字で副記しなければならない。』}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:商業登記規則 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S39/S39F03201000023.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20090202084605/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S39/S39F03201000023.html |archive-date=2009-02-02 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『第四十八条 2: 金銭その他の物の数量、年月日及び番号を記載するには、「壱、弐、参、拾」の文字を用いなければならない。ただし、横書きをするときは、アラビヤ数字を用いることができる。』}}</ref> These numbers' common forms can be changed to a higher value by adding strokes (1 and 2 were explained above, while 3 can be changed to 5, and 10 to 1000). In some cases, the digit 1 is explicitly written like {{lang|ja|壱百壱拾}} for 110, as opposed to {{lang|ja|百十}} in common writing. Formal numbers: {| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center" ! rowspan="2" | Number ! rowspan="2" | Common ! colspan="2" | Formal |- ! In use !! Obsolete |- | align="right" | 1 || {{lang|ja|一}} || {{lang|ja|壱}} || {{lang|ja|壹}} |- | align="right" | 2 || {{lang|ja|二}} || {{lang|ja|弐}} || {{lang|ja|貳}} |- | align="right" | 3 || {{lang|ja|三}} || {{lang|ja|参}} || {{lang|ja|參}} |- | align="right" | 4 || {{lang|ja|四}} || {{lang|ja|四}} || {{lang|ja|肆}} |- | align="right" | 5 || {{lang|ja|五}} || {{lang|ja|五}} || {{lang|ja|伍}} |- | align="right" | 6 || {{lang|ja|六}} || {{lang|ja|六}} || {{lang|ja|陸}} |- | align="right" | 7 || {{lang|ja|七}} || {{lang|ja|七}} || {{lang|ja|柒}}, {{lang|ja|漆}} |- | align="right" | 8 || {{lang|ja|八}} || {{lang|ja|八}} || {{lang|ja|捌}} |- | align="right" | 9 || {{lang|ja|九}} || {{lang|ja|九}} || {{lang|ja|玖}} |- | align="right" | 10 || {{lang|ja|十}} || {{lang|ja|拾}} || {{lang|ja|拾}} |- | align="right" | 100 || {{lang|ja|百}} || {{lang|ja|百}} || {{lang|ja|佰}} |- | align="right" | 1000 || {{lang|ja|千}} || {{lang|ja|千}} || {{lang|ja|阡}}, {{lang|ja|仟}} |- | align="right" | 10000 || {{lang|ja|万}} || {{lang|ja|万}}, {{lang|ja|萬}} || {{lang|ja|萬}} |} The four current [[banknotes of the Japanese yen]], 1000-yen, 2000-yen, 5000-yen, and 10000-yen, have formal numbers {{lang|ja|千}}, {{lang|ja|弐千}}, {{lang|ja|五千}}, and {{lang|ja|壱万}}, respectively. ==V starojaponskom jezyku== [[Old Japanese]] shares some vocabulary with later periods, but there are also unique number terms over 10 which are not used any more, aside from being parts of specific [[lexeme]]s. Notes: * The transcription is based on the [[phoneme]] and is not [[phonetics|phonetic]]. See [[Old Japanese]] for further information. * See {{lang|ja|[[Jōdai Tokushu Kanazukai]]}} for information on subscript notation. <!--NOTE: Please do NOT change /h/ to /p/. The transcription is phonemic, not phonetic. While it must have been [p] at some time in the past, during the Old Japanese period it was [ɸ]. --> {| class="wikitable" ! Čislo ! Izgovor ! Priklady ! Primětky |- | align="right" | 1 | [[wiktionary:一#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|一日}} {{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂pi₁}} (1 day), {{lang|ojp|一年}} {{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂to₂se}} (1 year) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 2 | [[wiktionary:二#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|futa}}]] | {{lang|ojp|二夜}} {{lang|ojp|futayo₂}} (2 nights) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 3 | [[wiktionary:三#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|mi₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|三十}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁so₁}} (30) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 4 | [[wiktionary:四#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|yo₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|四十}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂so₁}} (40), {{lang|ojp|四人}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂tari}} (4 people) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 5 | [[wiktionary:五#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|itu}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五年}} {{lang|ojp|ituto₂se}} (5 years) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 6 | [[wiktionary:六#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|mu}}]] | {{lang|ojp|六爪}} {{lang|ojp|mutuma}} (6 claws) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 7 | [[wiktionary:七#Noun|{{lang|ojp|nana}}]] | {{lang|ojp|七瀬}} {{lang|ojp|nanase}} (many rapids) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 8 | [[wiktionary:八#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|ya}}]] | {{lang|ojp|八雲}} {{lang|ojp|yakumo₁}} (many clouds) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 9 | [[wiktionary:九#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|九柱}} {{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂pasira}} (9 nobles / gods) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 10 | [[wiktionary:十#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|to₂}}]] / [[wiktionary:十#Noun 3|{{lang|ojp|to₂wo}}]] | {{lang|ojp|十日}} {{lang|ojp|to₂woka}} (10 days) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 10 | [[wiktionary:十#Noun|{{lang|ojp|so₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|三十}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁so₁}} (30), {{lang|ojp|四十}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂so₁}} (40), {{lang|ojp|六十}} {{lang|ojp|muso₁}} (60), {{lang|ojp|八十}} {{lang|ojp|yaso₁}} (80) | Found only in compound words; not used alone. |- | align="right" | 20 | [[wiktionary:二十#Noun|{{lang|ojp|pata}}]] | {{lang|ojp|二十}} {{lang|ojp|patati}} (20), {{lang|ojp|二十人}} {{lang|ojp|patatari}} (20 people), {{lang|ojp|二十年}} {{lang|ojp|patato₂se}} (20 years) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 50 | [[wiktionary:五十|{{lang|ojp|i}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五十日}} {{lang|ojp|ika}} (50 days) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 100 | [[wiktionary:百#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|po}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五百}} {{lang|ojp|ipo}} (500), {{lang|ojp|五百年}} {{lang|ojp|ipoto₂se}} (500 years), {{lang|ojp|五百夜}} {{lang|ojp|ipoyo₂}} (500 nights), {{lang|ojp|八百}} {{lang|ojp|yapo}} (800), {{lang|ojp|三百}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁po}} (300), {{lang|ojp|六百}} {{lang|ojp|mupo}} (600), {{lang|ojp|九百}} {{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂po}} (900) | Used for multiple hundreds in compound numerals. Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 100 | [[wiktionary:百#Noun 3|{{lang|ojp|mo₁mo₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|百日}} {{lang|ojp|mo₁mo₁ka}} (many days) | Used for non-multiple hundred and for the number "100" by itself. Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 1000 | [[wiktionary:千#Noun|{{lang|ojp|ti}}]] | {{lang|ojp|千年}} {{lang|ojp|tito₂se}} (1000 years, many years) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 10000 | [[wiktionary:万#Noun|{{lang|ojp|yo₂ro₂du}}]] | {{lang|ojp|八百万}} {{lang|ojp|yapoyo₂ro₂du}} (8000000, myriad) | Often used to mean many. |} ==Sčitanje na prstah== Japanese uses separate systems for counting for oneself and for displaying numbers to others, which both proceed up to ten. For counting, one begins with the palm open, then counts up to five by curling up (folding down) the fingers, starting from the thumb – thus one has just the thumb down (and others extended), while four has only the little finger extended, and five has a fist. One then counts up to ten by proceeding in the reverse order, extending the fingers, starting at the little finger – thus six is the same as four, seven the same as three, and so forth, with ten ending with the palm open. While this introduces ambiguity, it is not used to present to others, so this is generally not a problem. When displaying for others, one starts with the hand closed, and extends fingers, starting with the index, going to the little finger, then ending with the thumb, as in the United States. For numbers above five, one uses an open hand (indicating five) and places the appropriate number of fingers from the other hand against the palm (palms facing each other) – so six has the index finger against the palm, and so forth.<ref>{{Cite web| url = http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/aa112198.htm| title = Counting on one's fingers. About.com, Japanese Language, Namiko Abe| archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20130120143955/http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/aa112198.htm |archive-date = 2013-01-20}}</ref> To display ten, one presents both hands open and palm outwards. == Zapisyvanje cifr slovami == Since the adoption of [[Arabic numerals]], it has become more and more common for numbers to be written using them. Counters and ordinal numbers are typically written in Arabic numbers, such as {{nihongo|three people|3人|san-nin}}, {{nihongo|July, "seventh-month"|7月|shichigatsu}}, {{nihongo|age 20|20歳|hatachi}}, etc., although {{lang|ja|三人}}, {{lang|ja|七月}} and {{lang|ja|二十歳}} are also acceptable to write (albeit less common). However, numbers that are part of lexemes are typically written in kanji. For example, the term {{nihongo|'vegetable stand / grocer'|八百屋|yaoya}} translates into "800 store" and uses the Old Japanese pronunciation for 800, {{lang|ojp|ya(h)o}}. The notorious Japanese organized crime syndicate, the [[yakuza]], can be written {{lang|ja|八九三}} (or 893), a hand in {{lang|en|[[Oicho-Kabu|oicho-kabu]]}} that is worth 0 points, indicating that yakuza are "worthless persons" or "gambling persons".<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://www.sljfaq.org/afaq/yakuza.html |title=What is the origin of yakuza? |website=www.sljfaq.org |access-date=2016-03-24}}</ref> ==Zrite takože== *[[Chinese numerals]] *[[Decimal separator]] *[[Japanese counter word]] *[[Japanese people]] *[[Japanese wordplay#Numeric substitution|Japanese wordplay § Numeric substitution]] == Referencije == {{Iztočniky}} ==Vnješnje linky== <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> * {{lang|ja|[http://www.moroo.com/uzokusou/misc/suumei/suumei.html 大数の名前について]}} (na japonskom jezyku) * {{Cite web |url= http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanese.html | title = Ancient Japanese number system| archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20180829030749/http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanese.html |archive-date=2018-08-29}} * [http://www.solosequenosenada.com/gramatica/japanese/Learn_Japanese_Numbers.php English exercises for learning Japanese numerals] * [https://web.archive.org/web/20090324035049/http://www.learnjapanesewordsandphrases.com/learnjapanesenumbers.html Audio to learn the pronunciation for Japanese numbers] * [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/kanjinumbers.cgi Convert kanji numerals to arabic numerals] (sci. lang. Japan FAQ page) * [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/numbers.cgi Convert arabic numerals to kanji numerals] (sci. lang. Japan FAQ page) </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese numerals|}} [[Kategorija:Čisla]] [[Kategorija:Japonsky jezyk]] [[Kategorija:Čislovniky]] {{INTERWIKI|Q1337084}} {{Kartka osoba | name = Viktor Coj | native_name = <center>{{Jezyky|ru|Виктор Цой}}</center> | image = [[Fajl:Victor Tsoi 1986.jpg|thumb|center|Viktor Coj v lětu 1986]] | alt = | caption = | birth_name = Viktor Robertovič Coj | birth_date = {{birth date|1962|6|21|df=yes}} | birth_place = [[Sankt-Peterburg|Leningrad]], [[Rosijska Sovětska Federativna Socialističska Republika|RSFSR]], [[Sovětsky Sojuz]] | death_date = {{death date and age|1990|8|15|1962|6|21|df=yes}} | death_place = [[Latvijska Sovětska Socialističska Republika|Latvijska SSR]], Sovětsky Sojuz | death_cause = Avto avarija | resting_place = Bogoslovskoje grobišče, Sankt-Peterburg | occupation = {{Flatlist| * pěvec * avtor pěsnjej * avtor muziky * aktor * avangardny umětnik }} | years_active = 1978–1990 | spouse = {{Plainlist| * Marianna Coj, od 1984 }} | children = [[Aleksandr Coj]], rod. 1985 | module = {{Kartka muzikant|embed=yes <!-- See Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians --> | background = solo_singer <!-- mandatory format: please do not change or remove --> | instrument = {{flatlist| * [[Vokal|vokal]] * [[Gitara|gitara]] * [[Bas-gitara|bas-gitara]] }} | genre = {{Flatlist| * [[Post-punk|post-pank]] * [[New wave (muzika)|nova volna]] * [[gotičny rok]] * [[Punk|pank rok]] }} | label = {{Flatlist| * [[AnTrop]] * [[Firma Melodija|Melodija]] }} | current_member_of = {{Flatlist| * [[Kino (grupa)|Kino]] * [[Avtomatičeskije udovletvoriteli]] * [[Sergej Kurjohin]] }} }} }} Tuto jest peskovišče. [[File:Nihongo.svg|thumb|right|100px| 日本語 (Japonsky jezyk)]] '''Japonsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|ja|日本語 {{!}} にほんご}} | {{-|''Nihongo'' [nʲiho̞ŋːo̞]}}) <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> </span> == Referencije == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese language|}} [[Kategorija:Jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5287}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} 4lh1idz40b8pd0rn1jf68yrs52y0tyr 27917 27898 2026-07-02T20:03:55Z Ilja isv 10 /* */ 27917 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=July 2026}} {{-|''Under construction''}} {{nihongo|'''Japonske čislovniky'''|数詞|sūshi}} sut [[Čislovnik (lingvistika)|čislovniky]], koristane v [[Japonsky jezyk|japonskom jezyku]]. V pismennosti oni sut jednake s [[Kitajske čislovniky|kitajskymi čislovnikami]], I velike čisla slědujut kitajskomu stilju s grupovanjem po 10,000. Koristajut se dva izgovory: Sino-Japonsko čitanje ([[On'yomi|{{lang|en|on'yomi}}]]) i Japonsko čitanje {{lang|en|[[Wago|yamato kotoba]]}} (rodne slova, {{lang|en|[[kun'yomi]]}}) [[Kitajske hieroglify|kitajskyh hieroglifov]]. ==Čisla v japonskom jezyku== Sut dva sposoby, kako pisati čisla na japonskom jezyku: [[Arabske cifry|arabskymi ciframi]] (1, 2, 3) ili [[Kitajske čislovniky|kitajskymi čislovnikami]] ({{lang|zh|一}}, {{lang|zh|二}}, {{lang|zh|三}}). Arabske čisla sut vyše često koristane pri [[Horizontalno i vertikalno pisanje v Iztočno aziatskoj pismennosti|horizontalnom pisanju]], a kitajske čisla sut vyše obyčajne pri [[Horizontalno i vertikalno pisanje v Iztočno aziatskoj pismennosti|vertikalnom pisanju]]. Věčšinstvo čisel imaje dva čitanja, kako i večšinstvo [[Kanji|kandži]], to, ktoro jest izvedeno od kitajskogo čitanja, koristaje se za redne čislovniky ([[on'yomi|čitanje {{lang|en|On}}]] ) a rodno japonsko čitanje ([[kun'yomi|čitanje {{lang|en|Kun}}]]) koristaje se nemnogo menje formalno za čisla do 10. V něktoryh slučajah (privedenyh dole), jsponsko čitanje obyčno jest preferovano za vse izkoristanja. Archaične čtanja sut označene †. {| class="wikitable nounderlines" ! Čislo ! Znak ! Čitanje {{lang|en|On}} ! Čitanje {{lang|en|Kun}}<ref>{{cite book |script-title=ja:スーパー大辞林 |trans-title=Super [[Daijirin]] |language=ja |publisher=[[Sanseidō]] }}</ref> ! Prědnostno čitanje |- | align="right" | [[0]] | {{lang|ja|零}} / {{lang|ja|〇}}{{sup|*}} | {{Nihongo||れい|rei}} | {{Nihongo||まる|maru}} | {{Nihongo||ゼロ|zero}} ([[Pozajetje (lingvistika)|pozajetje]], {{lang|en|[[Loanwords in Japanese|gairaigo]]}}) |- | align="right" | [[1]] | {{lang|ja|一}} | {{Nihongo||いち|ichi}} | {{Nihongo||ひと・つ|hito(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||いち|ichi}} |- | align="right" | [[2]] | {{lang|ja|二}} | {{Nihongo||に|ni}} | {{Nihongo||ふた・つ|futa(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||に|ni}} |- | align="right" | [[3]] | {{lang|ja|三}} | {{Nihongo||さん|san}} | {{Nihongo||みっ・つ|mit(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||さん|san}} |- | align="right" | [[4]] | {{lang|ja|四}} | {{Nihongo||し|shi}} | {{lang|en|yon}}, {{Nihongo||よん、よっ・つ|yot(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||よん|yon}} |- | align="right" | [[5]] | {{lang|ja|五}} | {{Nihongo||ご|go}} | {{Nihongo||いつ・つ|itsu(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||ご|go}} |- | align="right" | [[6]] | {{lang|ja|六}} | {{Nihongo||ろく|roku}} | {{Nihongo||むっ・つ|mut(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||ろく|roku}} |- | align="right" | [[7]] | {{lang|ja|七}} | {{Nihongo||しち|shichi}} | {{Nihongo||なな・つ|nana(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||なな|nana}} |- | align="right" | [[8]] | {{lang|ja|八}} | {{Nihongo||はち|hachi}} | {{Nihongo||やっ・つ|yat(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||はち|hachi}} |- | align="right" | [[9]] | {{lang|ja|九}} | {{lang|ja|ku}}, {{Nihongo||く, きゅう|kyū}} | {{Nihongo||ここの・つ|kokono(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||きゅう|kyū}} |- | align="right" | [[10]] | {{lang|ja|十}} | {{Nihongo||じゅう|jū}} | {{Nihongo||とお|tō}} | {{Nihongo||じゅう|jū}} |- | align="right" | [[20 (number)|20]] | {{lang|ja|二十}} | {{Nihongo||にじゅう|ni-jū}} | {{Nihongo||はた|hata}}† | {{Nihongo||にじゅう|ni-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[30 (number)|30]] | {{lang|ja|三十}} | {{Nihongo||さんじゅう|san-jū}} | {{Nihongo||みそ|miso}}† | {{Nihongo||さんじゅう|san-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[40 (number)|40]] | {{lang|ja|四十}} | {{Nihongo||しじゅう|shi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||よそ|yoso}}† | {{Nihongo||よんじゅう|yon-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[50 (number)|50]] | {{lang|ja|五十}} | {{Nihongo||ごじゅう|go-jū}} | {{Nihongo||いそ|iso}}† | {{Nihongo||ごじゅう|go-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[60 (number)|60]] | {{lang|ja|六十}} | {{Nihongo||ろくじゅう|roku-jū}} | {{Nihongo||むそ|muso}}† | {{Nihongo||ろくじゅう|roku-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[70 (number)|70]] | {{lang|ja|七十}} | {{Nihongo||しちじゅう|shichi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||ななそ|nanaso}}† | {{Nihongo||ななじゅう|nana-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[80 (number)|80]] | {{lang|ja|八十}} | {{Nihongo||はちじゅう|hachi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||やそ|yaso}}† | {{Nihongo||はちじゅう|hachi-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[90 (number)|90]] | {{lang|ja|九十}} | {{Nihongo||くじゅう|ku-jū}} | {{Nihongo||ここのそ|kokonoso}}† | {{Nihongo||きゅうじゅう|kyū-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[100]] | {{lang|ja|百}} | {{Nihongo||ひゃく|hyaku}} | {{Nihongo||もも|momo}}† | {{Nihongo||ひゃく|hyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[500 (number)|500]] | {{lang|ja|五百}} | {{Nihongo||ごひゃく|go-hyaku}} | {{Nihongo||いお|io}}† | {{Nihongo||ごひゃく|go-hyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[800 (number)|800]] | {{lang|ja|八百}} | {{Nihongo||はっぴゃく|hap-pyaku}} | {{Nihongo||やお|yao}}† | {{Nihongo||はっぴゃく|hap-pyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[1000 (number)|1,000]] | {{lang|ja|千}} | {{Nihongo||せん|sen}} | {{Nihongo||ち|chi}}† | {{Nihongo||せん|sen}} |- | align="right" | [[10,000]] | {{lang|ja|万}} | {{Nihongo||まん|man}} | {{Nihongo||よろず|yorozu}}† | {{Nihongo||まん|man}} |- | align="right" | [[100,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|億}} | {{Nihongo||おく|oku}} |— | {{Nihongo||おく|oku}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)#1012|1,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|兆}} | {{Nihongo||ちょう|chō}} |— | {{Nihongo||ちょう|chō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10,000,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|京}} | {{Nihongo||けい|kei}} |— | {{Nihongo||けい|kei}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|100,000,000,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|垓}} | {{Nihongo||がい|gai}} |— | {{Nihongo||がい|gai}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10²⁴]] | {{lang|ja|𥝱}} | {{Nihongo||じょ|jo}} |— | {{Nihongo||じょ|jo}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10²⁸]] | {{lang|ja|穣}} | {{Nihongo||じょう|jō}} |— | {{Nihongo||じょう|jō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10³²]] | {{lang|ja|溝}} | {{Nihongo||こう|kō}} |— | {{Nihongo||こう|kō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10³⁶]] | {{lang|ja|澗}} | {{Nihongo||かん|kan}} |— | {{Nihongo||かん|kan}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁰]] | {{lang|ja|正}} | {{Nihongo||せい|sei}} |— | {{Nihongo||せい|sei}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁴]] | {{lang|ja|載}} | {{Nihongo||さい|sai}} |— | {{Nihongo||さい|sai}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁸]] | {{lang|ja|極}} | {{Nihongo||ごく|goku}} |— | {{Nihongo||ごく|goku}} |} <small><nowiki>*</nowiki> Imaje se takože specialno čitanje 〇 ({{-|''maru''}}), čto označaje "krugly" ili "krug". Ono može koristati se opcionalno, kogda čitajut se odděljene cifry v nomeru jedna po jednoj, vměsto vsego čisla. Polpularnym priměrim jest [[109 (trgovy dom)|znamenity magazin "109"]] v četvrti [[Shibuya|Šibuja, Tokio]], ktory čitaje se kako {{lang|en|ichi-maru-kyū}} (Kandži: {{lang|ja|一〇九}}). (On takože može čitati se kako 'deset-devet'— izgovarjaje se {{lang|en|tō-kyū}} — čto jest igra slov s nazvanjem tokijskogo trgovogo doma, ktory vladaje budynkom.) Tuto izkoristanje {{lang|en|maru}} za čislnu 0 jest podobno poněkogdomu čitanju čisla 0 v anglijskom jezyku kako {{-| ''oh''}}. Jednakože, kako čislo, jego jedino zapisyvajut kako 0 ili {{Nihongo|零|{{-|rei}}}}. Čtovyše, dva i pet igovarjajut s dolgoju samoglaskoju v telefoničnyh nomerah (napr. {{lang|ja|にい}} {{lang|en|nī}} i {{lang|ja|ごお}} {{lang|en|gō}}). Čisla poslě {{lang|en|kei}} koristajut rědko. Tym ne menje, oni sut prědstavjene tut.</small> Kako odměčaje se vyše, {{lang|en|yon}} (4) i {{lang|en|nana}} (7) sut uprědnostnjene nad {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}}. Prědpokladaje se, že tuto jest svezano s tym, že {{lang|en|shi}} jest takože čitanjem slova 死 (smrt), čto děljae jego neščestlivym čitanjem (gledite [[tetrafobija]]); dokolě {{lang|en|shichi}} može zvučati velmi slično s {{lang|en|ichi}} (1), {{lang|en|shi}} ili {{lang|en|hachi}} (8). Jednakože, v cělom redu stanovjenyh slov i rěčenij, {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}} sut stale preferovane; tako, pri sčitanju (kako v {{lang|en|"ichi, ni, san, shi,..."}}), {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}} mogut iměti prědnost. Čislo 9 takože mněvaje se nesčestlivym; kogda izgovarjaje se {{lang|en|ku}}, ono sozvučno 苦 (stradanje). Čislo 13 poněkogda mněvaje se nesčestlivym, ale jest to kalka [[Triskaidekafobia|zapadnoj tradicije]]. Naprotiv, 7 i poněkogda 8 mněvajut se sčestlivymy u japoncev.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://lingualift.com/blog/lucky-unlucky-numbers-japan/|title=The number of death: Lucky and unlucky numbers in Japan|website=The Science of Language Self-Study {{!}} LinguaLift Blog|access-date=2016-03-24}}</ref> V sovrěmennom japonskom jezyku, redne čislovniky pomimo 4 i 7 sut obyčno koristane v čitanju {{lang|en|on}}. Alternativno čitanje byvaje v nazvah měsecev, čislah dnjev v měsecu i stalyh izrazah; napriměr, april, julij, i september nazyvajut se {{lang|en|'''shi'''-gatsu}} (4. měsec), {{lang|en|'''shichi'''-gatsu}} (7. měsec), i {{lang|en|'''ku'''-gatsu}} (9. měsec). Čitanja {{lang|en|on}} takože koristajut pri prěklikanju dlja sčitanja ljudij (nap. {{lang|en|ichi-ni-san-shi}}). Večši čisla dělajut, kombinujuči tute elementy: *desetky od 20 do 90 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-jū}}" kako od {{Nihongo|二十|{{-|ni-jū}}}} do {{Nihongo|九十|{{-|kyū-jū}}}}. *sotky od 200 do 900 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-hyaku}}". *tyseče od 2000 do 9000 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-sen}}". Počinajuči od {{Nihongo|miriady|万}}, čisla začinajut se s {{Nihongo|一|{{-|ichi}}}}, jestlu ne jest prisutna ina cifra. Tako, 100 bude prosto {{Nihongo|百|{{-|hyaku}}}}, 1000 jest prosto {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}, ale 10000 uže{{Nihongo|一万|{{-|ichiman}}}}, vměsto prosto {{lang|en|man}}. (Tuto odličaje se od [[Kitajsky jezyk|kitajskogo jezyka]], kde čisla začinajut se c {{lang|zh|一}} ako ne jest druga ina cifra prěd njeju, uže od 100.) I jestli {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}neposrědnje prědhodi nazvě kolikosti [[Miriada|miriad]], prěd {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}obyčno dodavajut {{Nihongo|一|{{-|ichi}}}}, čto davaje {{Nihongo|一千|{{-|issen}}}}. Tako, 10,000,000 (bukvalno 1000,0000) obyčno čitajut kako {{Nihongo|一千万|{{-|issenman}}}}. Ale ako {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}} ''ne'' premo prědhodi kolikosti myriad, dodavanje {{Nihongo|一|ichi}}jest opcionalno. Tako, 15,000,000 (1500,0000) čitaje se kako {{Nihongo|千五百万|sengohyakuman}} ili {{Nihongo|一千五百万|issengohyakuman}}, ravno i kako 1500 čitaje se {{Nihongo|千五百|sengohyaku}}ili {{Nihongo|一千五百|issengohyaku}}. Sut i něktore fonetične modifikacije v ozvučanju něktoryh velikyh čisel, [[Oglasovanje i obezglasovanje suglasok|oglasovanje]] ili [[gemacija]] něktoryh suglasok, kako to često byvaje v japonskom jezyku (napr. {{lang|en|[[rendaku]]}}): napr. {{lang|en|roku}} "šest" i {{lang|en|hyaku}} "sto" dělajut {{lang|en|roppyaku}} "šestsot". {| class="wikitable" ! × !! 1 !! 2 !! 3 !! 4 !! 5 !! 6 !! 7 !! 8 !! 9 !! 10 !! 100 !! 1000 |- | align="right" | 100 | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hyaku, ippyaku}} | {{lang|en|nihyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sanbyaku}} | {{lang|en|yonhyaku}} | {{lang|en|gohyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|roppyaku}} | {{lang|en|nanahyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|happyaku}} | {{lang|en|kyūhyaku}} |— |— |— |- | align="right" | 1,000 | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sen, issen}} | {{lang|en|nisen}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sanzen}} | {{lang|en|yonsen}} | {{lang|en|gosen}} | {{lang|en|rokusen}} | {{lang|en|nanasen}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hassen}} | {{lang|en|kyūsen}} | — | — | — |- | align="right" | 10{{sup|12}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|itchō}} | {{lang|en|nichō}} | {{lang|en|sanchō}} | {{lang|en|yonchō}} | {{lang|en|gochō}} | {{lang|en|rokuchō}} | {{lang|en|nanachō}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hatchō}} | {{lang|en|kyūchō}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|jutchō}}* | {{lang|en|hyakuchō}} | {{lang|en|issenchō}} |- | align="right" | 10{{sup|16}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|ikkei}} | {{lang|en|nikei}} | {{lang|en|sankei}} | {{lang|en|yonkei}} | {{lang|en|gokei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|rokkei}} | {{lang|en|nanakei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hakkei}} | {{lang|en|kyūkei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|jukkei}}* | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hyakkei}}** | {{lang|en|issenkei}} |} <small><nowiki>*</nowiki> Takože priměnjaje se k kratnym 10. Koncovka měnjaje se od {{lang|en|-jū}} na {{lang|en|-jutchō}} ili {{lang|en|-jukkei}}.<br /><nowiki>**</nowiki> Takože priměnjaje se k kratnym 100. Koncovka {{lang|en|-ku}} měnjaje se na {{lang|en|-kkei}}.</small> V čislah nad 10, elementy sut soredjene, i ne koristajut se nuly. Japonske čislovniky imajut ne pozicijnu, a multiplikativno-aditivnu sistemu; da by napisati čislo 20, trěba napisati simbol {{Nihongo|"dva"|二}}, a potom simbol {{Nihongo|"deset"|十}}, da by polučiti dvě desetky ili {{Nihongo|"dvadeset"|二十}}. {| class="wikitable" ! Čislo !! Znaky !! Čitanje !Značenje |- | align="right" | 11 || {{lang|ja|十一}} || {{lang|en|jū ichi}} |deset i jedno |- | align="right" | 17 || {{lang|ja|十七}} || {{lang|en|jū nana, jū shichi}} |deset i sedm |- | align="right" | 151 || {{lang|ja|百五十一}} || {{lang|en|hyaku go-jū ichi}} |sto, pet desetok i jedno |- | align="right" | 302 || {{lang|ja|三百二}} || {{lang|en|san-byaku ni}} |tri sta i dva |- | align="right" | 469 || {{lang|ja|四百六十九}} || {{lang|en|yon-hyaku roku-jū kyū}} |četyri, šest desetok i devet |- | align="right" | 2025 || {{lang|ja|二千二十五}} || {{lang|en|ni-sen ni-jū go}} |dva tyseče, dvě desetky i pet |} ===Čislne redky i desetične čisla=== Japonske cifry od 1 do 9 obyčno se koristajut izolovano. Redky cifr imajut slegka inako čitanje s prodolženymi samoglaskami za 2 (''nī'') i 5 (''gō''), i menje često, 4 (''shī'') i 9 (''kū''). Tako dělajut zato, že kogda prěčisljajut cifry, ako možno, oni muset byti v grupah po dvě, každa iz njih musi sostojeti točno iz četyreh [[Mora (lingvistika)|mor]], čto dělaje neobhodnym prodolženje obyčno jednomornyh cifr kako ''ni'', ''go'', ''shi'' and ''ku''.<ref name=nhk-2005-2>{{cite web|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250622082124/https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20250601_1.html|url=https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20250601_1.html|archive-date=22 June 2025|lang=ja|script-title=ja:語の読み方（語形）について数字の読み方～小数の読み方～|work=NHK Bunken|publisher=NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute|last=Yamashita|first=Yōko|last2=Fujii|first2=Madoka|date=28 February 2025|access-date=23 September 2025|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250622082259/https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20180501_4.html|url=https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20180501_4.html|archive-date=22 June 2025|date=1 May 2018|lang=ja|script-title=ja:数詞の発音とアクセント|work=NHK Bunken|publisher=NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute|last=Sakurai|first=Shigeharu|last2=Akinaga|first2=Kazue|access-date=23 September 2025|url-status=live}}</ref> Napiměr, taky redok kako '''5'''4'''2'''62 se izgovarjaje {{-|'''''gō'''-yon '''nī'''-roku ni''}}, kde prve dvě grupy sut kvadrimoraične. [[Japonsko tonalno udarjenje|Udarjenje]] pri tom padaje prědposlědnju moru kažfoj grupy, ako li to jest možlivo, odsud {{-|[ɡoː jóɴ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲiː ɾókɯ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲí]}}.<ref name=hirayama-1961>{{cite book|lang=ja|script-title=ja:全国アクセント辞典|first=Teruo|last=Hirayama|publisher=Tōkyōdō|date=25 December 1961|p=897}}</ref> Tuto pravilo takože priměnjaje se k poslědnoj cifrě celoj česti čisla i ko vsim cifram desetičnoj česti desetičnogo čisla.<ref name=nhk-2005-2/><ref name=hirayama-1961/> Napriměr, tako desetično čislo kako 25'''2'''.'''25'''5 se izgovarjaje {{-|''nihyaku gojū '''nī'''-ten '''nī-gō''' go''}} {{-|[ɲiçjakɯ́ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɡodʑɯ́ː <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲíː teɴ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲiː ɡóː <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɡó]}}, kde ''ten'' označaje "točka". ===Druge tipy čisel=== V japonskyh [[Ordinalny čislovnik|ordinalnyh čislovnikah]] koristajut modifikaciju uměstnyh sčetnyh slov, sistema ktoryh v japonskom jezyku jest dosti [[Japonske sčetne slova|komplikovana]]. Da by prěvratiti sčetno slovo (sčislovnik) v ordinalny čislovnik, ktory označaje poziciju v redu, na koncu sčislovnika dodavajut {{lang|ja|目}} {{lang|en|me}}. Tako "jedin raz" bude prěkladati se kako {{lang|ja|一回}} {{lang|en|ikkai}}, a "prvy raz" bude se prěkladati {{lang|ja|一回目}} {{lang|en|ikkaime}}. Tuto pravilo jest ale nedoslědno, ako sčislovniky bez sufiksa {{translit|ja|me}} često koristajut i v ordinalnom, i v [[Kardinalny čislovnik|kardinalnom]] smyslah. Napriměr, {{lang|ja|三階}} {{translit|ja|sangai}} može označati kako "tri etaže", tako i "tretji etaž." [[Distributivny čislovnik|Distributivne čislovniky]] obyčno stvarjajut iz kardinalnogo čislovnika, sčetnogo slova i sufiksa {{Nihongo|{{-|''-zutsu''}}|ずつ|}}, napriklad {{Nihongo|{{-|''hitori-zutsu''}}|一人ずつ|po jednoj osobě za raz, po-jedno}}. == Stupnje 10 == === Velike čisla === Vslěd kitajskoj tradiciji, velike čisla se stvarjajut grupovanjem cifr v [[Miriada|miriady]] (10,000), na razliku od zapadnyh tyseč(1,000) <div class="overflowbugx" style="overflow-x:auto;"> {| class="wikitable" !align="left"|Red |10{{sup|4}} |10{{sup|8}} |10{{sup|12}} |10{{sup|16}} |10{{sup|20}} |10{{sup|24}} |10{{sup|28}} |10{{sup|32}} |10{{sup|36}} |10{{sup|40}} |10{{sup|44}} |10{{sup|48}} |10{{sup|52}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(ili 10{{sup|56}})}}</small> |10{{sup|56}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(ili 10{{sup|64}})}}</small> |10{{sup|60}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|72}})}}</small> |10{{sup|64}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|80}})}}</small> |10{{sup|68}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|88}})}}</small> |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|万}} |{{lang|ja|億}} |{{lang|ja|兆}} |{{lang|ja|京}} |{{lang|ja|垓}} |{{lang|ja|𥝱}}, {{lang|ja|秭}} |{{lang|ja|穣}} |{{lang|ja|溝}} |{{lang|ja|澗}} |{{lang|ja|正}} |{{lang|ja|載}} |{{lang|ja|極}} |{{lang|ja|恒河沙}} |{{lang|ja|阿僧祇}} |{{lang|ja|那由他}}, {{lang|ja|那由多}} |{{lang|ja|不可思議}} |{{lang|ja|無量大数}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|en|man}} |{{lang|en|oku}} |{{lang|en|chō}} |{{lang|en|kei}} |{{lang|en|gai}} |{{lang|en|jo}}, {{lang|en|shi}} |{{lang|en|jō}} |{{lang|en|kō}} |{{lang|en|kan}} |{{lang|en|sei}} |{{lang|en|sai}} |{{lang|en|goku}} |{{lang|en|gōgasha}} |{{lang|en|asōgi}} |{{lang|en|nayuta}} |{{lang|en|fukashigi}} |{{lang|en|muryōtaisū}} |}</div> Razhoděnja sut iz-za {{Nihongo|{{-|[[Jinkōki]]}}|塵劫記|}}, najstaršego matematičnogo teksta Japonije. Originalno izdavanje bylo opublikovano v lětu 1627 i imělo mnogo grěšek, věčšinstvo ktoryh bylo izpravjeno v izdavanju 1631 goda. V lětu 1634 izšlo ješče jedno izdavanje, kde opet bylo izměnjeno několiko veličin. Vyše uvedeno razhodženje jest obuslovjeno nesuglasnostju dvoh poslědnjih izdavanij. Sut razne znaky za 10{{sup|24}} (to jest {{lang|ja|秭}} v kitajskom jezyku tutčas), i po 10{{sup|48}} oni odličajut se tym, že prodolžajut s povyšenjem faktora 10{{sup|4}} ili prěključajut se na faktor 10{{sup|8}}. Ako koristaje se faktor 10{{sup|8}}, medžuintervalne koeficienty 10{{sup|4}} zakryvajut s pomočju {{Nihongo|万|man}}. Nastoječe izdavanje {{lang|en|Jinkōki}}, 11-to, slěduje faktoru 10{{sup|4}} črez cělu sistemu, hoti něktori ljudi ješče koristajut veličiny iz 8-go izdavanja daže tutčas. Poslědnje tri čisla s mnogoslogovymi nazvanjami i razhodženjem veličin v koncu koncev izvodet se iz Indije, hoti tam oni ne iměli oprědeljennyh veličin. {{Nihongo|恒河沙||gōgasha}} prvonačelno koristalo se v budističskyh traktatah za označevanje bezměrno ogromnogo; ono proizhodi iz [[Sanskrit|sanskritskogo]] {{lang|sa|गङ्गा}} {{lang|en|gangā}} '[[Ganges|Ganga]]' (čto udobno vključaje znaky {{Nihongo|'rěka'|河|ka}} i {{Nihongo|'pěsok'|沙|sha}}, odsylajuči k neizčislimomu množstvu čestic pěska na rěkě Ganga. {{Nihongo||阿僧祇|asōgi}}, from Sanskrit {{lang|sa|असंख्येय}} {{lang|en|asaṃkhyeya}} 'uncountable/innumerable', with the negative prefix {{Nihongo||阿|a}}, and {{Nihongo||那由他|nayuta}} is from Sanskrit {{lang|sa|नयुत/नयुतः}} {{lang|en|nayuta(ḥ)}}. After that, the numbers are Buddhist terms translated into or coined in Chinese and later assigned numerical values: {{Nihongo|'unimaginable'|不可思議|fukashigi}} and {{Nihongo|'immeasurably large number'|無量大数|muryōtaisū}}. Examples: ''(spacing by groups of four digits is given only for clarity of explanation)'' *1 0000 : {{Nihongo|一万|ichi-man}} *983 6703 : {{Nihongo|九百八十三万 六千七百三|kyū-hyaku hachi-jū san-man, roku-sen nana-hyaku san}} *20 3652 1801 : {{Nihongo|二十億 三千六百五十二万 千八百一|ni-jū oku, san-zen rop-pyaku go-jū ni-man, sen hap-pyaku ichi}} However, numbers written in Arabic numerals are separated by commas every three digits following English-speaking convention. If Arabic numbers and kanji are used in combination, Western orders of magnitude may be used for numbers smaller than 10,000 (e.g. {{lang|ja|2,500万}} for 25,000,000). In Japanese, when long numbers are written out in kanji, zeros are omitted for all powers of ten. Hence 4002 is {{lang|ja|四千二}} (in contrast, Chinese requires the use of {{lang|zh|零}} wherever a zero appears, e.g. {{lang|zh|四千零二}} for 4002). However, when reading out a statement of accounts, for example, the skipped digit or digits are sometimes indicated by {{Nihongo|飛び|tobi}} or {{Nihongo|飛んで|tonde}}): e.g. {{lang|ja|yon-sen '''tobi''' ni}} or {{lang|en|yon-sen '''tonde''' ni}} instead of the normal {{lang|en|yon-sen ni}}. === Drobne čisla === Japanese has two systems of numerals for decimal fractions. They are no longer in general use, but are still used in some instances such as batting and fielding averages of baseball players, winning percentages for sports teams, and in some idiomatic phrases such as 五分五分の勝負 ({{-|''gobugobu no shōbu''}}, 'fifty-fifty chance'}}, and when representing a rate or discount. The {{lang|en|bu}} fractions are also used when talking about fevers—for example {{Nihongo|九度二分|kudonibu}} for 9 and two parts—referring to the temperature 39.2°C. One system is as follows: {| class="wikitable" !align=left|Red |10{{sup|−1}} |10{{sup|−2}} |10{{sup|−3}} |10{{sup|−4}} |10{{sup|−5}} |10{{sup|−6}} |10{{sup|−7}} |10{{sup|−8}} |10{{sup|−9}} |10{{sup|−10}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|分}} |{{lang|ja|厘}} |{{lang|ja|毛}} |{{lang|ja|糸}} |{{lang|ja|忽}} |{{lang|ja|微}} |{{lang|ja|繊}} |{{lang|ja|沙}} |{{lang|ja|塵}} |{{lang|ja|埃}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|jen|bu}} |{{lang|en|rin}} |{{lang|en|mō}} |{{lang|en|shi}} |{{lang|en|kotsu}} |{{lang|en|bi}} |{{lang|en|sen}} |{{lang|en|sha}} |{{lang|en|jin}} |{{lang|en|ai}} |} This is the system used with the traditional [[Japanese units of measurement]]. Several of the names are used "as is" to represent a fraction of a [[cun (unit)|{{lang|en|sun}}]]. The other system of representing these decimal fractions of rate or discount uses a system "shifted down" with a {{lang|ja|bu}} becoming a "one hundredth" and so on, and the unit for "tenth" becoming {{lang|ja|wari}}: {| class="wikitable" !align=left|Red |10{{sup|−1}} |10{{sup|−2}} |10{{sup|−3}} |10{{sup|−4}} |10{{sup|−5}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|割}} |{{lang|ja|分}} |{{lang|ja|厘}} |{{lang|ja|毛}} |{{lang|ja|糸}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|en|wari}} |{{lang|en|bu}} |{{lang|en|rin}} |{{lang|en|mō}} |{{lang|en|shi}} |} This is often used with prices. For example: *{{Nihongo|一割五分引き|ichi-wari go-bu biki}}: 15% discount *{{Nihongo|打率三割八分九厘|daritsu san-wari hachi-bu kyū-rin}}: batting average .389 With the exception of {{lang|ja|wari}}, these are rarely seen in modern usage. Decimal fractions are typically written with either kanji numerals (vertically) or Arabic numerals (horizontally), preceded by a decimal point, and are read as successive digits, as in Western convention. Note that, in written form, they can be combined with either the traditional system of expressing numerals (42.195 kilometers: {{lang|ja|四十二・一九五 キロメートル}}), in which powers of ten are written, or with the place value system, which uses zero (50.04 percent: {{lang|ja|五〇・〇四 パーセント.}}) In both cases, however, the reading follows the traditional system ({{lang|ja|yon-jū ni-ten ichi-kyū go kiromētoru}} for 42.195 kilometers; {{lang|ja|go ju-tten rei-yon pāsento}} for 50.04 percent.) == В именах == Существуют имена {{нихонго|[[Millennium Actress|Тиёко]]|千代子||дословно «тысяча лет» (женское)}}, {{нихонго|Тидзуру|千鶴||дословно «тысяча [[Японский журавль|журавлей]]» (женское)}}, {{нихонго|Тикао|千禾夫||дословно «муж — тысяча колосьев»}}, фамилия {{нихонго|Титака|千鷹||дословно «тысяча соколов»}}. Одна из японских префектур называется {{нихонго|[[Тиба (префектура)|Тиба]]|千葉||дословно «тысяча листьев»}}. В [[аниме]] «[[Унесённые призраками]]» обыгрывается неоднозначность прочтения иероглифа 千 — «сэн» или «ти»: имя главной героини — {{нихонго|Тихиро|千尋||дословно «тысяча [[Японская система мер#Меры длины|хиро]]», «бездонная глубина»}}; колдунья «забирает» имя у Тихиро, оставляя ей только один иероглиф и меняя его прочтение. Отныне Тихиро зовётся {{нихонго|Сэн|千||тысяча}}. Кроме того, есть последовательность мужских имён, которыми называют детей по порядку рождения: # {{нихонго|Итиро|一郎|итиро:|первый сын}}, # {{нихонго|Дзиро|二郎|дзиро:|второй сын}}, # {{нихонго|Сабуро|三郎|сабуро:}}, # {{нихонго|Сиро|四郎|сиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Горо|五郎|горо:}}, # {{нихонго|Рокуро|六郎|рокуро:}}, # {{нихонго|Ситиро|七郎|ситиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Хатиро|八郎|хатиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Куро|九郎|куро:}}, # {{нихонго|Дзюро|十郎|дзю:ро:}}, # {{нихонго|Тоитиро|十一郎|тоитиро:}} или {{нихонго|Дзюитиро|十一郎|дзю:итиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Дзюдзиро|十二郎|дзю:дзиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Тосабуро|十三郎|тосабуро:}} или {{нихонго|Дзюсабуро|十三郎|дзю:сабуро:}}. После [[Вторая мировая война|Второй мировой войны]] имена «больше» Сабуро почти вышли из употребления. Кроме указанных имён есть даже {{нихонго|Дзюсиро|十四郎|дзю:сиро:|четырнадцатый сын}} и {{нихонго|Хякуро|百郎|хякуро:|сотый сын}}: их, кроме прочих, носят актёр [[Кабуки]] [[Коноэ, Дзюсиро|Дзюсиро Коноэ]] (近衛 十四郎) и [[мангака]] [[Мурасаки, Хякуро|Хякуро Мурасаки]] (村崎 百郎). == Formalne čislovniky == [[File:Shoe Boxes (743286602).jpg|thumb|{{lang|en|[[Getabako]]}}]] As with Chinese numerals, there exists in Japanese a separate set of kanji for numerals called {{Nihongo||大字|'''daiji'''}} used in legal and financial documents to prevent unscrupulous individuals from adding a stroke or two, turning a one into a two or a three. The formal numbers are identical to the [[Chinese financial numerals|Chinese formal numbers]] except for minor stroke variations. Today, the numbers for one, two, three, and ten are written only in their formal form in legal documents (the numbers 4 to 9 as well as 100, 1000 and 10000 are written identically to the common ones, cf. table below).<ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:大正十一年大蔵省令第四十三号 (会計法規ニ基ク出納計算ノ数字及記載事項ノ訂正ニ関スル件) |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/T11/T11F03401000043.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023833/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/T11/T11F03401000043.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『第一条: 会計法規ニ基ク出納計算ニ関スル諸書類帳簿ニ記載スル金額其ノ他ノ数量ニシテ「一」、「二」、「三」、「十」、「廿」、「卅」ノ数字ハ「壱」、「弐」、「参」、「拾」、「弐拾」、「参拾」ノ字体ヲ用ユヘシ但横書ヲ為ストキハ「アラビア」数字ヲ用ユルコトヲ得』}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:戸籍法施行規則 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S22/S22F00501000094.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023839/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S22/S22F00501000094.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:「第三十一条 2: 年月日を記載するには、壱、弐、参、拾の文字を用いなければならない。」}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:小切手振出等事務取扱規程 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S26/S26F03401000020.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023849/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S26/S26F03401000020.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『附則 (昭和四〇年四月一日大蔵省令第二〇号) 2: 小切手の券面金額は、当分の間、所定の金額記載欄に、漢数字により表示することができる。この場合においては、「一」、「二」、「三」及び「十」の字体は、それぞれ「壱」、「弐」、「参」及び「拾」の漢字を用い、かつ、所定の金額記載欄の上方余白に当該金額記載欄に記載の金額と同額をアラビア数字で副記しなければならない。』}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:商業登記規則 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S39/S39F03201000023.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20090202084605/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S39/S39F03201000023.html |archive-date=2009-02-02 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『第四十八条 2: 金銭その他の物の数量、年月日及び番号を記載するには、「壱、弐、参、拾」の文字を用いなければならない。ただし、横書きをするときは、アラビヤ数字を用いることができる。』}}</ref> These numbers' common forms can be changed to a higher value by adding strokes (1 and 2 were explained above, while 3 can be changed to 5, and 10 to 1000). In some cases, the digit 1 is explicitly written like {{lang|ja|壱百壱拾}} for 110, as opposed to {{lang|ja|百十}} in common writing. Formal numbers: {| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center" ! rowspan="2" | Number ! rowspan="2" | Common ! colspan="2" | Formal |- ! In use !! Obsolete |- | align="right" | 1 || {{lang|ja|一}} || {{lang|ja|壱}} || {{lang|ja|壹}} |- | align="right" | 2 || {{lang|ja|二}} || {{lang|ja|弐}} || {{lang|ja|貳}} |- | align="right" | 3 || {{lang|ja|三}} || {{lang|ja|参}} || {{lang|ja|參}} |- | align="right" | 4 || {{lang|ja|四}} || {{lang|ja|四}} || {{lang|ja|肆}} |- | align="right" | 5 || {{lang|ja|五}} || {{lang|ja|五}} || {{lang|ja|伍}} |- | align="right" | 6 || {{lang|ja|六}} || {{lang|ja|六}} || {{lang|ja|陸}} |- | align="right" | 7 || {{lang|ja|七}} || {{lang|ja|七}} || {{lang|ja|柒}}, {{lang|ja|漆}} |- | align="right" | 8 || {{lang|ja|八}} || {{lang|ja|八}} || {{lang|ja|捌}} |- | align="right" | 9 || {{lang|ja|九}} || {{lang|ja|九}} || {{lang|ja|玖}} |- | align="right" | 10 || {{lang|ja|十}} || {{lang|ja|拾}} || {{lang|ja|拾}} |- | align="right" | 100 || {{lang|ja|百}} || {{lang|ja|百}} || {{lang|ja|佰}} |- | align="right" | 1000 || {{lang|ja|千}} || {{lang|ja|千}} || {{lang|ja|阡}}, {{lang|ja|仟}} |- | align="right" | 10000 || {{lang|ja|万}} || {{lang|ja|万}}, {{lang|ja|萬}} || {{lang|ja|萬}} |} The four current [[banknotes of the Japanese yen]], 1000-yen, 2000-yen, 5000-yen, and 10000-yen, have formal numbers {{lang|ja|千}}, {{lang|ja|弐千}}, {{lang|ja|五千}}, and {{lang|ja|壱万}}, respectively. ==V starojaponskom jezyku== [[Old Japanese]] shares some vocabulary with later periods, but there are also unique number terms over 10 which are not used any more, aside from being parts of specific [[lexeme]]s. Notes: * The transcription is based on the [[phoneme]] and is not [[phonetics|phonetic]]. See [[Old Japanese]] for further information. * See {{lang|ja|[[Jōdai Tokushu Kanazukai]]}} for information on subscript notation. <!--NOTE: Please do NOT change /h/ to /p/. The transcription is phonemic, not phonetic. While it must have been [p] at some time in the past, during the Old Japanese period it was [ɸ]. --> {| class="wikitable" ! Čislo ! Izgovor ! Priklady ! Primětky |- | align="right" | 1 | [[wiktionary:一#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|一日}} {{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂pi₁}} (1 day), {{lang|ojp|一年}} {{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂to₂se}} (1 year) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 2 | [[wiktionary:二#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|futa}}]] | {{lang|ojp|二夜}} {{lang|ojp|futayo₂}} (2 nights) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 3 | [[wiktionary:三#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|mi₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|三十}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁so₁}} (30) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 4 | [[wiktionary:四#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|yo₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|四十}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂so₁}} (40), {{lang|ojp|四人}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂tari}} (4 people) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 5 | [[wiktionary:五#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|itu}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五年}} {{lang|ojp|ituto₂se}} (5 years) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 6 | [[wiktionary:六#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|mu}}]] | {{lang|ojp|六爪}} {{lang|ojp|mutuma}} (6 claws) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 7 | [[wiktionary:七#Noun|{{lang|ojp|nana}}]] | {{lang|ojp|七瀬}} {{lang|ojp|nanase}} (many rapids) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 8 | [[wiktionary:八#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|ya}}]] | {{lang|ojp|八雲}} {{lang|ojp|yakumo₁}} (many clouds) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 9 | [[wiktionary:九#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|九柱}} {{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂pasira}} (9 nobles / gods) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 10 | [[wiktionary:十#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|to₂}}]] / [[wiktionary:十#Noun 3|{{lang|ojp|to₂wo}}]] | {{lang|ojp|十日}} {{lang|ojp|to₂woka}} (10 days) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 10 | [[wiktionary:十#Noun|{{lang|ojp|so₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|三十}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁so₁}} (30), {{lang|ojp|四十}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂so₁}} (40), {{lang|ojp|六十}} {{lang|ojp|muso₁}} (60), {{lang|ojp|八十}} {{lang|ojp|yaso₁}} (80) | Found only in compound words; not used alone. |- | align="right" | 20 | [[wiktionary:二十#Noun|{{lang|ojp|pata}}]] | {{lang|ojp|二十}} {{lang|ojp|patati}} (20), {{lang|ojp|二十人}} {{lang|ojp|patatari}} (20 people), {{lang|ojp|二十年}} {{lang|ojp|patato₂se}} (20 years) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 50 | [[wiktionary:五十|{{lang|ojp|i}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五十日}} {{lang|ojp|ika}} (50 days) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 100 | [[wiktionary:百#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|po}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五百}} {{lang|ojp|ipo}} (500), {{lang|ojp|五百年}} {{lang|ojp|ipoto₂se}} (500 years), {{lang|ojp|五百夜}} {{lang|ojp|ipoyo₂}} (500 nights), {{lang|ojp|八百}} {{lang|ojp|yapo}} (800), {{lang|ojp|三百}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁po}} (300), {{lang|ojp|六百}} {{lang|ojp|mupo}} (600), {{lang|ojp|九百}} {{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂po}} (900) | Used for multiple hundreds in compound numerals. Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 100 | [[wiktionary:百#Noun 3|{{lang|ojp|mo₁mo₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|百日}} {{lang|ojp|mo₁mo₁ka}} (many days) | Used for non-multiple hundred and for the number "100" by itself. Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 1000 | [[wiktionary:千#Noun|{{lang|ojp|ti}}]] | {{lang|ojp|千年}} {{lang|ojp|tito₂se}} (1000 years, many years) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 10000 | [[wiktionary:万#Noun|{{lang|ojp|yo₂ro₂du}}]] | {{lang|ojp|八百万}} {{lang|ojp|yapoyo₂ro₂du}} (8000000, myriad) | Often used to mean many. |} ==Sčitanje na prstah== Japanese uses separate systems for counting for oneself and for displaying numbers to others, which both proceed up to ten. For counting, one begins with the palm open, then counts up to five by curling up (folding down) the fingers, starting from the thumb – thus one has just the thumb down (and others extended), while four has only the little finger extended, and five has a fist. One then counts up to ten by proceeding in the reverse order, extending the fingers, starting at the little finger – thus six is the same as four, seven the same as three, and so forth, with ten ending with the palm open. While this introduces ambiguity, it is not used to present to others, so this is generally not a problem. When displaying for others, one starts with the hand closed, and extends fingers, starting with the index, going to the little finger, then ending with the thumb, as in the United States. For numbers above five, one uses an open hand (indicating five) and places the appropriate number of fingers from the other hand against the palm (palms facing each other) – so six has the index finger against the palm, and so forth.<ref>{{Cite web| url = http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/aa112198.htm| title = Counting on one's fingers. About.com, Japanese Language, Namiko Abe| archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20130120143955/http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/aa112198.htm |archive-date = 2013-01-20}}</ref> To display ten, one presents both hands open and palm outwards. == Zapisyvanje cifr slovami == Since the adoption of [[Arabic numerals]], it has become more and more common for numbers to be written using them. Counters and ordinal numbers are typically written in Arabic numbers, such as {{nihongo|three people|3人|san-nin}}, {{nihongo|July, "seventh-month"|7月|shichigatsu}}, {{nihongo|age 20|20歳|hatachi}}, etc., although {{lang|ja|三人}}, {{lang|ja|七月}} and {{lang|ja|二十歳}} are also acceptable to write (albeit less common). However, numbers that are part of lexemes are typically written in kanji. For example, the term {{nihongo|'vegetable stand / grocer'|八百屋|yaoya}} translates into "800 store" and uses the Old Japanese pronunciation for 800, {{lang|ojp|ya(h)o}}. The notorious Japanese organized crime syndicate, the [[yakuza]], can be written {{lang|ja|八九三}} (or 893), a hand in {{lang|en|[[Oicho-Kabu|oicho-kabu]]}} that is worth 0 points, indicating that yakuza are "worthless persons" or "gambling persons".<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://www.sljfaq.org/afaq/yakuza.html |title=What is the origin of yakuza? |website=www.sljfaq.org |access-date=2016-03-24}}</ref> ==Zrite takože== *[[Chinese numerals]] *[[Decimal separator]] *[[Japanese counter word]] *[[Japanese people]] *[[Japanese wordplay#Numeric substitution|Japanese wordplay § Numeric substitution]] == Referencije == {{Iztočniky}} ==Vnješnje linky== <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> * {{lang|ja|[http://www.moroo.com/uzokusou/misc/suumei/suumei.html 大数の名前について]}} (na japonskom jezyku) * {{Cite web |url= http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanese.html | title = Ancient Japanese number system| archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20180829030749/http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanese.html |archive-date=2018-08-29}} * [http://www.solosequenosenada.com/gramatica/japanese/Learn_Japanese_Numbers.php English exercises for learning Japanese numerals] * [https://web.archive.org/web/20090324035049/http://www.learnjapanesewordsandphrases.com/learnjapanesenumbers.html Audio to learn the pronunciation for Japanese numbers] * [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/kanjinumbers.cgi Convert kanji numerals to arabic numerals] (sci. lang. Japan FAQ page) * [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/numbers.cgi Convert arabic numerals to kanji numerals] (sci. lang. Japan FAQ page) </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese numerals|}} [[Kategorija:Čisla]] [[Kategorija:Japonsky jezyk]] [[Kategorija:Čislovniky]] {{INTERWIKI|Q1337084}} {{Kartka osoba | name = Viktor Coj | native_name = <center>{{Jezyky|ru|Виктор Цой}}</center> | image = [[Fajl:Victor Tsoi 1986.jpg|thumb|center|Viktor Coj v lětu 1986]] | alt = | caption = | birth_name = Viktor Robertovič Coj | birth_date = {{birth date|1962|6|21|df=yes}} | birth_place = [[Sankt-Peterburg|Leningrad]], [[Rosijska Sovětska Federativna Socialističska Republika|RSFSR]], [[Sovětsky Sojuz]] | death_date = {{death date and age|1990|8|15|1962|6|21|df=yes}} | death_place = [[Latvijska Sovětska Socialističska Republika|Latvijska SSR]], Sovětsky Sojuz | death_cause = Avto avarija | resting_place = Bogoslovskoje grobišče, Sankt-Peterburg | occupation = {{Flatlist| * pěvec * avtor pěsnjej * avtor muziky * aktor * avangardny umětnik }} | years_active = 1978–1990 | spouse = {{Plainlist| * Marianna Coj, od 1984 }} | children = [[Aleksandr Coj]], rod. 1985 | module = {{Kartka muzikant|embed=yes <!-- See Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians --> | background = solo_singer <!-- mandatory format: please do not change or remove --> | instrument = {{flatlist| * [[Vokal|vokal]] * [[Gitara|gitara]] * [[Bas-gitara|bas-gitara]] }} | genre = {{Flatlist| * [[Post-punk|post-pank]] * [[New wave (muzika)|nova volna]] * [[gotičny rok]] * [[Punk|pank rok]] }} | label = {{Flatlist| * [[AnTrop]] * [[Firma Melodija|Melodija]] }} | current_member_of = {{Flatlist| * [[Kino (grupa)|Kino]] * [[Avtomatičeskije udovletvoriteli]] * [[Sergej Kurjohin]] }} }} }} Tuto jest peskovišče. [[File:Nihongo.svg|thumb|right|100px| 日本語 (Japonsky jezyk)]] '''Japonsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|ja|日本語 {{!}} にほんご}} | {{-|''Nihongo'' [nʲiho̞ŋːo̞]}}) <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> </span> == Referencije == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese language|}} [[Kategorija:Jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5287}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} gcv9iem6vkffxjm1txeleebpblv3lck 27930 27917 2026-07-03T06:39:24Z Ilja isv 10 27930 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=July 2026}} {{-|''Under construction''}} {{nihongo|'''Japonske čislovniky'''|数詞|sūshi}} sut [[Čislovnik (lingvistika)|čislovniky]], koristane v [[Japonsky jezyk|japonskom jezyku]]. V pismennosti oni sut jednake s [[Kitajske čislovniky|kitajskymi čislovnikami]], I velike čisla slědujut kitajskomu stilju s grupovanjem po 10,000. Koristajut se dva izgovory: Sino-Japonsko čitanje ([[On'yomi|{{lang|en|on'yomi}}]]) i Japonsko čitanje {{lang|en|[[Wago|yamato kotoba]]}} (rodne slova, {{lang|en|[[kun'yomi]]}}) [[Kitajske hieroglify|kitajskyh hieroglifov]]. ==Čisla v japonskom jezyku== Sut dva sposoby, kako pisati čisla na japonskom jezyku: [[Arabske cifry|arabskymi ciframi]] (1, 2, 3) ili [[Kitajske čislovniky|kitajskymi čislovnikami]] ({{lang|zh|一}}, {{lang|zh|二}}, {{lang|zh|三}}). Arabske čisla sut vyše često koristane pri [[Horizontalno i vertikalno pisanje v Iztočno aziatskoj pismennosti|horizontalnom pisanju]], a kitajske čisla sut vyše obyčajne pri [[Horizontalno i vertikalno pisanje v Iztočno aziatskoj pismennosti|vertikalnom pisanju]]. Věčšinstvo čisel imaje dva čitanja, kako i večšinstvo [[Kanji|kandži]], to, ktoro jest izvedeno od kitajskogo čitanja, koristaje se za redne čislovniky ([[on'yomi|čitanje {{lang|en|On}}]] ) a rodno japonsko čitanje ([[kun'yomi|čitanje {{lang|en|Kun}}]]) koristaje se nemnogo menje formalno za čisla do 10. V něktoryh slučajah (privedenyh dole), jsponsko čitanje obyčno jest preferovano za vse izkoristanja. Archaične čtanja sut označene †. {| class="wikitable nounderlines" ! Čislo ! Znak ! Čitanje {{lang|en|On}} ! Čitanje {{lang|en|Kun}}<ref>{{cite book |script-title=ja:スーパー大辞林 |trans-title=Super [[Daijirin]] |language=ja |publisher=[[Sanseidō]] }}</ref> ! Prědnostno čitanje |- | align="right" | [[0]] | {{lang|ja|零}} / {{lang|ja|〇}}{{sup|*}} | {{Nihongo||れい|rei}} | {{Nihongo||まる|maru}} | {{Nihongo||ゼロ|zero}} ([[Pozajetje (lingvistika)|pozajetje]], {{lang|en|[[Loanwords in Japanese|gairaigo]]}}) |- | align="right" | [[1]] | {{lang|ja|一}} | {{Nihongo||いち|ichi}} | {{Nihongo||ひと・つ|hito(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||いち|ichi}} |- | align="right" | [[2]] | {{lang|ja|二}} | {{Nihongo||に|ni}} | {{Nihongo||ふた・つ|futa(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||に|ni}} |- | align="right" | [[3]] | {{lang|ja|三}} | {{Nihongo||さん|san}} | {{Nihongo||みっ・つ|mit(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||さん|san}} |- | align="right" | [[4]] | {{lang|ja|四}} | {{Nihongo||し|shi}} | {{lang|en|yon}}, {{Nihongo||よん、よっ・つ|yot(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||よん|yon}} |- | align="right" | [[5]] | {{lang|ja|五}} | {{Nihongo||ご|go}} | {{Nihongo||いつ・つ|itsu(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||ご|go}} |- | align="right" | [[6]] | {{lang|ja|六}} | {{Nihongo||ろく|roku}} | {{Nihongo||むっ・つ|mut(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||ろく|roku}} |- | align="right" | [[7]] | {{lang|ja|七}} | {{Nihongo||しち|shichi}} | {{Nihongo||なな・つ|nana(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||なな|nana}} |- | align="right" | [[8]] | {{lang|ja|八}} | {{Nihongo||はち|hachi}} | {{Nihongo||やっ・つ|yat(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||はち|hachi}} |- | align="right" | [[9]] | {{lang|ja|九}} | {{lang|ja|ku}}, {{Nihongo||く, きゅう|kyū}} | {{Nihongo||ここの・つ|kokono(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||きゅう|kyū}} |- | align="right" | [[10]] | {{lang|ja|十}} | {{Nihongo||じゅう|jū}} | {{Nihongo||とお|tō}} | {{Nihongo||じゅう|jū}} |- | align="right" | [[20 (number)|20]] | {{lang|ja|二十}} | {{Nihongo||にじゅう|ni-jū}} | {{Nihongo||はた|hata}}† | {{Nihongo||にじゅう|ni-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[30 (number)|30]] | {{lang|ja|三十}} | {{Nihongo||さんじゅう|san-jū}} | {{Nihongo||みそ|miso}}† | {{Nihongo||さんじゅう|san-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[40 (number)|40]] | {{lang|ja|四十}} | {{Nihongo||しじゅう|shi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||よそ|yoso}}† | {{Nihongo||よんじゅう|yon-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[50 (number)|50]] | {{lang|ja|五十}} | {{Nihongo||ごじゅう|go-jū}} | {{Nihongo||いそ|iso}}† | {{Nihongo||ごじゅう|go-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[60 (number)|60]] | {{lang|ja|六十}} | {{Nihongo||ろくじゅう|roku-jū}} | {{Nihongo||むそ|muso}}† | {{Nihongo||ろくじゅう|roku-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[70 (number)|70]] | {{lang|ja|七十}} | {{Nihongo||しちじゅう|shichi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||ななそ|nanaso}}† | {{Nihongo||ななじゅう|nana-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[80 (number)|80]] | {{lang|ja|八十}} | {{Nihongo||はちじゅう|hachi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||やそ|yaso}}† | {{Nihongo||はちじゅう|hachi-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[90 (number)|90]] | {{lang|ja|九十}} | {{Nihongo||くじゅう|ku-jū}} | {{Nihongo||ここのそ|kokonoso}}† | {{Nihongo||きゅうじゅう|kyū-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[100]] | {{lang|ja|百}} | {{Nihongo||ひゃく|hyaku}} | {{Nihongo||もも|momo}}† | {{Nihongo||ひゃく|hyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[500 (number)|500]] | {{lang|ja|五百}} | {{Nihongo||ごひゃく|go-hyaku}} | {{Nihongo||いお|io}}† | {{Nihongo||ごひゃく|go-hyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[800 (number)|800]] | {{lang|ja|八百}} | {{Nihongo||はっぴゃく|hap-pyaku}} | {{Nihongo||やお|yao}}† | {{Nihongo||はっぴゃく|hap-pyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[1000 (number)|1,000]] | {{lang|ja|千}} | {{Nihongo||せん|sen}} | {{Nihongo||ち|chi}}† | {{Nihongo||せん|sen}} |- | align="right" | [[10,000]] | {{lang|ja|万}} | {{Nihongo||まん|man}} | {{Nihongo||よろず|yorozu}}† | {{Nihongo||まん|man}} |- | align="right" | [[100,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|億}} | {{Nihongo||おく|oku}} |— | {{Nihongo||おく|oku}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)#1012|1,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|兆}} | {{Nihongo||ちょう|chō}} |— | {{Nihongo||ちょう|chō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10,000,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|京}} | {{Nihongo||けい|kei}} |— | {{Nihongo||けい|kei}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|100,000,000,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|垓}} | {{Nihongo||がい|gai}} |— | {{Nihongo||がい|gai}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10²⁴]] | {{lang|ja|𥝱}} | {{Nihongo||じょ|jo}} |— | {{Nihongo||じょ|jo}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10²⁸]] | {{lang|ja|穣}} | {{Nihongo||じょう|jō}} |— | {{Nihongo||じょう|jō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10³²]] | {{lang|ja|溝}} | {{Nihongo||こう|kō}} |— | {{Nihongo||こう|kō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10³⁶]] | {{lang|ja|澗}} | {{Nihongo||かん|kan}} |— | {{Nihongo||かん|kan}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁰]] | {{lang|ja|正}} | {{Nihongo||せい|sei}} |— | {{Nihongo||せい|sei}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁴]] | {{lang|ja|載}} | {{Nihongo||さい|sai}} |— | {{Nihongo||さい|sai}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁸]] | {{lang|ja|極}} | {{Nihongo||ごく|goku}} |— | {{Nihongo||ごく|goku}} |} <small><nowiki>*</nowiki> Imaje se takože specialno čitanje 〇 ({{-|''maru''}}), čto označaje "krugly" ili "krug". Ono može koristati se opcionalno, kogda čitajut se odděljene cifry v nomeru jedna po jednoj, vměsto vsego čisla. Polpularnym priměrim jest [[109 (trgovy dom)|znamenity magazin "109"]] v četvrti [[Shibuya|Šibuja, Tokio]], ktory čitaje se kako {{lang|en|ichi-maru-kyū}} (Kandži: {{lang|ja|一〇九}}). (On takože može čitati se kako 'deset-devet'— izgovarjaje se {{lang|en|tō-kyū}} — čto jest igra slov s nazvanjem tokijskogo trgovogo doma, ktory vladaje budynkom.) Tuto izkoristanje {{lang|en|maru}} za čislnu 0 jest podobno poněkogdomu čitanju čisla 0 v anglijskom jezyku kako {{-| ''oh''}}. Jednakože, kako čislo, jego jedino zapisyvajut kako 0 ili {{Nihongo|零|{{-|rei}}}}. Čtovyše, dva i pet igovarjajut s dolgoju samoglaskoju v telefoničnyh nomerah (napr. {{lang|ja|にい}} {{lang|en|nī}} i {{lang|ja|ごお}} {{lang|en|gō}}). Čisla poslě {{lang|en|kei}} koristajut rědko. Tym ne menje, oni sut prědstavjene tut.</small> Kako odměčaje se vyše, {{lang|en|yon}} (4) i {{lang|en|nana}} (7) sut uprědnostnjene nad {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}}. Prědpokladaje se, že tuto jest svezano s tym, že {{lang|en|shi}} jest takože čitanjem slova 死 (smrt), čto děljae jego neščestlivym čitanjem (gledite [[tetrafobija]]); dokolě {{lang|en|shichi}} može zvučati velmi slično s {{lang|en|ichi}} (1), {{lang|en|shi}} ili {{lang|en|hachi}} (8). Jednakože, v cělom redu stanovjenyh slov i rěčenij, {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}} sut stale preferovane; tako, pri sčitanju (kako v {{lang|en|"ichi, ni, san, shi,..."}}), {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}} mogut iměti prědnost. Čislo 9 takože mněvaje se nesčestlivym; kogda izgovarjaje se {{lang|en|ku}}, ono sozvučno 苦 (stradanje). Čislo 13 poněkogda mněvaje se nesčestlivym, ale jest to kalka [[Triskaidekafobia|zapadnoj tradicije]]. Naprotiv, 7 i poněkogda 8 mněvajut se sčestlivymy u japoncev.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://lingualift.com/blog/lucky-unlucky-numbers-japan/|title=The number of death: Lucky and unlucky numbers in Japan|website=The Science of Language Self-Study {{!}} LinguaLift Blog|access-date=2016-03-24}}</ref> V sovrěmennom japonskom jezyku, redne čislovniky pomimo 4 i 7 sut obyčno koristane v čitanju {{lang|en|on}}. Alternativno čitanje byvaje v nazvah měsecev, čislah dnjev v měsecu i stalyh izrazah; napriměr, april, julij, i september nazyvajut se {{lang|en|'''shi'''-gatsu}} (4. měsec), {{lang|en|'''shichi'''-gatsu}} (7. měsec), i {{lang|en|'''ku'''-gatsu}} (9. měsec). Čitanja {{lang|en|on}} takože koristajut pri prěklikanju dlja sčitanja ljudij (nap. {{lang|en|ichi-ni-san-shi}}). Večši čisla dělajut, kombinujuči tute elementy: *desetky od 20 do 90 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-jū}}" kako od {{Nihongo|二十|{{-|ni-jū}}}} do {{Nihongo|九十|{{-|kyū-jū}}}}. *sotky od 200 do 900 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-hyaku}}". *tyseče od 2000 do 9000 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-sen}}". Počinajuči od {{Nihongo|miriady|万}}, čisla začinajut se s {{Nihongo|一|{{-|ichi}}}}, jestlu ne jest prisutna ina cifra. Tako, 100 bude prosto {{Nihongo|百|{{-|hyaku}}}}, 1000 jest prosto {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}, ale 10000 uže{{Nihongo|一万|{{-|ichiman}}}}, vměsto prosto {{lang|en|man}}. (Tuto odličaje se od [[Kitajsky jezyk|kitajskogo jezyka]], kde čisla začinajut se c {{lang|zh|一}} ako ne jest druga ina cifra prěd njeju, uže od 100.) I jestli {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}neposrědnje prědhodi nazvě kolikosti [[Miriada|miriad]], prěd {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}obyčno dodavajut {{Nihongo|一|{{-|ichi}}}}, čto davaje {{Nihongo|一千|{{-|issen}}}}. Tako, 10,000,000 (bukvalno 1000,0000) obyčno čitajut kako {{Nihongo|一千万|{{-|issenman}}}}. Ale ako {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}} ''ne'' premo prědhodi kolikosti myriad, dodavanje {{Nihongo|一|ichi}}jest opcionalno. Tako, 15,000,000 (1500,0000) čitaje se kako {{Nihongo|千五百万|sengohyakuman}} ili {{Nihongo|一千五百万|issengohyakuman}}, ravno i kako 1500 čitaje se {{Nihongo|千五百|sengohyaku}}ili {{Nihongo|一千五百|issengohyaku}}. Sut i něktore fonetične modifikacije v ozvučanju něktoryh velikyh čisel, [[Oglasovanje i obezglasovanje suglasok|oglasovanje]] ili [[gemacija]] něktoryh suglasok, kako to često byvaje v japonskom jezyku (napr. {{lang|en|[[rendaku]]}}): napr. {{lang|en|roku}} "šest" i {{lang|en|hyaku}} "sto" dělajut {{lang|en|roppyaku}} "šestsot". {| class="wikitable" ! × !! 1 !! 2 !! 3 !! 4 !! 5 !! 6 !! 7 !! 8 !! 9 !! 10 !! 100 !! 1000 |- | align="right" | 100 | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hyaku, ippyaku}} | {{lang|en|nihyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sanbyaku}} | {{lang|en|yonhyaku}} | {{lang|en|gohyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|roppyaku}} | {{lang|en|nanahyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|happyaku}} | {{lang|en|kyūhyaku}} |— |— |— |- | align="right" | 1,000 | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sen, issen}} | {{lang|en|nisen}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sanzen}} | {{lang|en|yonsen}} | {{lang|en|gosen}} | {{lang|en|rokusen}} | {{lang|en|nanasen}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hassen}} | {{lang|en|kyūsen}} | — | — | — |- | align="right" | 10{{sup|12}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|itchō}} | {{lang|en|nichō}} | {{lang|en|sanchō}} | {{lang|en|yonchō}} | {{lang|en|gochō}} | {{lang|en|rokuchō}} | {{lang|en|nanachō}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hatchō}} | {{lang|en|kyūchō}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|jutchō}}* | {{lang|en|hyakuchō}} | {{lang|en|issenchō}} |- | align="right" | 10{{sup|16}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|ikkei}} | {{lang|en|nikei}} | {{lang|en|sankei}} | {{lang|en|yonkei}} | {{lang|en|gokei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|rokkei}} | {{lang|en|nanakei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hakkei}} | {{lang|en|kyūkei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|jukkei}}* | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hyakkei}}** | {{lang|en|issenkei}} |} <small><nowiki>*</nowiki> Takože priměnjaje se k kratnym 10. Koncovka měnjaje se od {{lang|en|-jū}} na {{lang|en|-jutchō}} ili {{lang|en|-jukkei}}.<br /><nowiki>**</nowiki> Takože priměnjaje se k kratnym 100. Koncovka {{lang|en|-ku}} měnjaje se na {{lang|en|-kkei}}.</small> V čislah nad 10, elementy sut soredjene, i ne koristajut se nuly. Japonske čislovniky imajut ne pozicijnu, a multiplikativno-aditivnu sistemu; da by napisati čislo 20, trěba napisati simbol {{Nihongo|"dva"|二}}, a potom simbol {{Nihongo|"deset"|十}}, da by polučiti dvě desetky ili {{Nihongo|"dvadeset"|二十}}. {| class="wikitable" ! Čislo !! Znaky !! Čitanje !Značenje |- | align="right" | 11 || {{lang|ja|十一}} || {{lang|en|jū ichi}} |deset i jedno |- | align="right" | 17 || {{lang|ja|十七}} || {{lang|en|jū nana, jū shichi}} |deset i sedm |- | align="right" | 151 || {{lang|ja|百五十一}} || {{lang|en|hyaku go-jū ichi}} |sto, pet desetok i jedno |- | align="right" | 302 || {{lang|ja|三百二}} || {{lang|en|san-byaku ni}} |tri sta i dva |- | align="right" | 469 || {{lang|ja|四百六十九}} || {{lang|en|yon-hyaku roku-jū kyū}} |četyri, šest desetok i devet |- | align="right" | 2025 || {{lang|ja|二千二十五}} || {{lang|en|ni-sen ni-jū go}} |dva tyseče, dvě desetky i pet |} ===Čislne redky i desetične čisla=== Japonske cifry od 1 do 9 obyčno se koristajut izolovano. Redky cifr imajut slegka inako čitanje s prodolženymi samoglaskami za 2 (''nī'') i 5 (''gō''), i menje često, 4 (''shī'') i 9 (''kū''). Tako dělajut zato, že kogda prěčisljajut cifry, ako možno, oni muset byti v grupah po dvě, každa iz njih musi sostojeti točno iz četyreh [[Mora (lingvistika)|mor]], čto dělaje neobhodnym prodolženje obyčno jednomornyh cifr kako ''ni'', ''go'', ''shi'' and ''ku''.<ref name=nhk-2005-2>{{cite web|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250622082124/https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20250601_1.html|url=https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20250601_1.html|archive-date=22 June 2025|lang=ja|script-title=ja:語の読み方（語形）について数字の読み方～小数の読み方～|work=NHK Bunken|publisher=NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute|last=Yamashita|first=Yōko|last2=Fujii|first2=Madoka|date=28 February 2025|access-date=23 September 2025|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250622082259/https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20180501_4.html|url=https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20180501_4.html|archive-date=22 June 2025|date=1 May 2018|lang=ja|script-title=ja:数詞の発音とアクセント|work=NHK Bunken|publisher=NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute|last=Sakurai|first=Shigeharu|last2=Akinaga|first2=Kazue|access-date=23 September 2025|url-status=live}}</ref> Napiměr, taky redok kako '''5'''4'''2'''62 se izgovarjaje {{-|'''''gō'''-yon '''nī'''-roku ni''}}, kde prve dvě grupy sut kvadrimoraične. [[Japonsko tonalno udarjenje|Udarjenje]] pri tom padaje prědposlědnju moru kažfoj grupy, ako li to jest možlivo, odsud {{-|[ɡoː jóɴ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲiː ɾókɯ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲí]}}.<ref name=hirayama-1961>{{cite book|lang=ja|script-title=ja:全国アクセント辞典|first=Teruo|last=Hirayama|publisher=Tōkyōdō|date=25 December 1961|p=897}}</ref> Tuto pravilo takože priměnjaje se k poslědnoj cifrě celoj česti čisla i ko vsim cifram desetičnoj česti desetičnogo čisla.<ref name=nhk-2005-2/><ref name=hirayama-1961/> Napriměr, tako desetično čislo kako 25'''2'''.'''25'''5 se izgovarjaje {{-|''nihyaku gojū '''nī'''-ten '''nī-gō''' go''}} {{-|[ɲiçjakɯ́ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɡodʑɯ́ː <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲíː teɴ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲiː ɡóː <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɡó]}}, kde ''ten'' označaje "točka". ===Druge tipy čisel=== V japonskyh [[Ordinalny čislovnik|ordinalnyh čislovnikah]] koristajut modifikaciju uměstnyh sčetnyh slov, sistema ktoryh v japonskom jezyku jest dosti [[Japonske sčetne slova|komplikovana]]. Da by prěvratiti sčetno slovo (sčislovnik) v ordinalny čislovnik, ktory označaje poziciju v redu, na koncu sčislovnika dodavajut {{lang|ja|目}} {{lang|en|me}}. Tako "jedin raz" bude prěkladati se kako {{lang|ja|一回}} {{lang|en|ikkai}}, a "prvy raz" bude se prěkladati {{lang|ja|一回目}} {{lang|en|ikkaime}}. Tuto pravilo jest ale nedoslědno, ako sčislovniky bez sufiksa {{translit|ja|me}} često koristajut i v ordinalnom, i v [[Kardinalny čislovnik|kardinalnom]] smyslah. Napriměr, {{lang|ja|三階}} {{translit|ja|sangai}} može označati kako "tri etaže", tako i "tretji etaž." [[Distributivny čislovnik|Distributivne čislovniky]] obyčno stvarjajut iz kardinalnogo čislovnika, sčetnogo slova i sufiksa {{Nihongo|{{-|''-zutsu''}}|ずつ|}}, napriklad {{Nihongo|{{-|''hitori-zutsu''}}|一人ずつ|po jednoj osobě za raz, po-jedno}}. == Stupnje 10 == === Velike čisla === Vslěd kitajskoj tradiciji, velike čisla se stvarjajut grupovanjem cifr v [[Miriada|miriady]] (10,000), na razliku od zapadnyh tyseč(1,000) <div class="overflowbugx" style="overflow-x:auto;"> {| class="wikitable" !align="left"|Red |10{{sup|4}} |10{{sup|8}} |10{{sup|12}} |10{{sup|16}} |10{{sup|20}} |10{{sup|24}} |10{{sup|28}} |10{{sup|32}} |10{{sup|36}} |10{{sup|40}} |10{{sup|44}} |10{{sup|48}} |10{{sup|52}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(ili 10{{sup|56}})}}</small> |10{{sup|56}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(ili 10{{sup|64}})}}</small> |10{{sup|60}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|72}})}}</small> |10{{sup|64}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|80}})}}</small> |10{{sup|68}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|88}})}}</small> |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|万}} |{{lang|ja|億}} |{{lang|ja|兆}} |{{lang|ja|京}} |{{lang|ja|垓}} |{{lang|ja|𥝱}}, {{lang|ja|秭}} |{{lang|ja|穣}} |{{lang|ja|溝}} |{{lang|ja|澗}} |{{lang|ja|正}} |{{lang|ja|載}} |{{lang|ja|極}} |{{lang|ja|恒河沙}} |{{lang|ja|阿僧祇}} |{{lang|ja|那由他}}, {{lang|ja|那由多}} |{{lang|ja|不可思議}} |{{lang|ja|無量大数}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|en|man}} |{{lang|en|oku}} |{{lang|en|chō}} |{{lang|en|kei}} |{{lang|en|gai}} |{{lang|en|jo}}, {{lang|en|shi}} |{{lang|en|jō}} |{{lang|en|kō}} |{{lang|en|kan}} |{{lang|en|sei}} |{{lang|en|sai}} |{{lang|en|goku}} |{{lang|en|gōgasha}} |{{lang|en|asōgi}} |{{lang|en|nayuta}} |{{lang|en|fukashigi}} |{{lang|en|muryōtaisū}} |}</div> Razhoděnja sut iz-za {{Nihongo|{{-|[[Jinkōki]]}}|塵劫記|}}, najstaršego matematičnogo teksta Japonije. Originalno izdavanje bylo opublikovano v lětu 1627 i imělo mnogo grěšek, věčšinstvo ktoryh bylo izpravjeno v izdavanju 1631 goda. V lětu 1634 izšlo ješče jedno izdavanje, kde opet bylo izměnjeno několiko veličin. Vyše uvedeno razhodženje jest obuslovjeno nesuglasnostju dvoh poslědnjih izdavanij. Sut razne znaky za 10{{sup|24}} (to jest {{lang|ja|秭}} v kitajskom jezyku tutčas), i po 10{{sup|48}} oni odličajut se tym, že prodolžajut s povyšenjem faktora 10{{sup|4}} ili prěključajut se na faktor 10{{sup|8}}. Ako koristaje se faktor 10{{sup|8}}, medžuintervalne koeficienty 10{{sup|4}} zakryvajut s pomočju {{Nihongo|万|man}}. Nastoječe izdavanje {{lang|en|Jinkōki}}, 11-to, slěduje faktoru 10{{sup|4}} črez cělu sistemu, hoti něktori ljudi ješče koristajut veličiny iz 8-go izdavanja daže tutčas. Poslědnje tri čisla s mnogoslogovymi nazvanjami i razhodženjem veličin v koncu koncev izvodet se iz Indije, hoti tam oni ne iměli oprědeljennyh veličin. {{Nihongo|恒河沙|''gōgasha''}} prvonačelno koristalo se v budističskyh traktatah za označevanje bezměrno ogromnogo; ono proizhodi iz [[Sanskrit|sanskritskogo]] {{lang|sa|गङ्गा}} {{lang|en|gangā}} '[[Ganges|Ganga]]' (čto udobno vključaje znaky {{Nihongo|'rěka'|河|ka}} i {{Nihongo|'pěsok'|沙|sha}}, odsylajuči k neizčislimomu množstvu čestic pěska na rěkě Ganga. {{Nihongo||阿僧祇|asōgi}}, from Sanskrit {{lang|sa|असंख्येय}} {{lang|en|asaṃkhyeya}} 'uncountable/innumerable', with the negative prefix {{Nihongo||阿|a}}, and {{Nihongo||那由他|nayuta}} is from Sanskrit {{lang|sa|नयुत/नयुतः}} {{lang|en|nayuta(ḥ)}}. After that, the numbers are Buddhist terms translated into or coined in Chinese and later assigned numerical values: {{Nihongo|'unimaginable'|不可思議|fukashigi}} and {{Nihongo|'immeasurably large number'|無量大数|muryōtaisū}}. Examples: ''(spacing by groups of four digits is given only for clarity of explanation)'' *1 0000 : {{Nihongo|一万|ichi-man}} *983 6703 : {{Nihongo|九百八十三万 六千七百三|kyū-hyaku hachi-jū san-man, roku-sen nana-hyaku san}} *20 3652 1801 : {{Nihongo|二十億 三千六百五十二万 千八百一|ni-jū oku, san-zen rop-pyaku go-jū ni-man, sen hap-pyaku ichi}} However, numbers written in Arabic numerals are separated by commas every three digits following English-speaking convention. If Arabic numbers and kanji are used in combination, Western orders of magnitude may be used for numbers smaller than 10,000 (e.g. {{lang|ja|2,500万}} for 25,000,000). In Japanese, when long numbers are written out in kanji, zeros are omitted for all powers of ten. Hence 4002 is {{lang|ja|四千二}} (in contrast, Chinese requires the use of {{lang|zh|零}} wherever a zero appears, e.g. {{lang|zh|四千零二}} for 4002). However, when reading out a statement of accounts, for example, the skipped digit or digits are sometimes indicated by {{Nihongo|飛び|tobi}} or {{Nihongo|飛んで|tonde}}): e.g. {{lang|ja|yon-sen '''tobi''' ni}} or {{lang|en|yon-sen '''tonde''' ni}} instead of the normal {{lang|en|yon-sen ni}}. === Drobne čisla === Japanese has two systems of numerals for decimal fractions. They are no longer in general use, but are still used in some instances such as batting and fielding averages of baseball players, winning percentages for sports teams, and in some idiomatic phrases such as 五分五分の勝負 ({{-|''gobugobu no shōbu''}}, 'fifty-fifty chance'}}, and when representing a rate or discount. The {{lang|en|bu}} fractions are also used when talking about fevers—for example {{Nihongo|九度二分|kudonibu}} for 9 and two parts—referring to the temperature 39.2°C. One system is as follows: {| class="wikitable" !align=left|Red |10{{sup|−1}} |10{{sup|−2}} |10{{sup|−3}} |10{{sup|−4}} |10{{sup|−5}} |10{{sup|−6}} |10{{sup|−7}} |10{{sup|−8}} |10{{sup|−9}} |10{{sup|−10}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|分}} |{{lang|ja|厘}} |{{lang|ja|毛}} |{{lang|ja|糸}} |{{lang|ja|忽}} |{{lang|ja|微}} |{{lang|ja|繊}} |{{lang|ja|沙}} |{{lang|ja|塵}} |{{lang|ja|埃}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|jen|bu}} |{{lang|en|rin}} |{{lang|en|mō}} |{{lang|en|shi}} |{{lang|en|kotsu}} |{{lang|en|bi}} |{{lang|en|sen}} |{{lang|en|sha}} |{{lang|en|jin}} |{{lang|en|ai}} |} This is the system used with the traditional [[Japanese units of measurement]]. Several of the names are used "as is" to represent a fraction of a [[cun (unit)|{{lang|en|sun}}]]. The other system of representing these decimal fractions of rate or discount uses a system "shifted down" with a {{lang|ja|bu}} becoming a "one hundredth" and so on, and the unit for "tenth" becoming {{lang|ja|wari}}: {| class="wikitable" !align=left|Red |10{{sup|−1}} |10{{sup|−2}} |10{{sup|−3}} |10{{sup|−4}} |10{{sup|−5}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|割}} |{{lang|ja|分}} |{{lang|ja|厘}} |{{lang|ja|毛}} |{{lang|ja|糸}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|en|wari}} |{{lang|en|bu}} |{{lang|en|rin}} |{{lang|en|mō}} |{{lang|en|shi}} |} This is often used with prices. For example: *{{Nihongo|一割五分引き|ichi-wari go-bu biki}}: 15% discount *{{Nihongo|打率三割八分九厘|daritsu san-wari hachi-bu kyū-rin}}: batting average .389 With the exception of {{lang|ja|wari}}, these are rarely seen in modern usage. Decimal fractions are typically written with either kanji numerals (vertically) or Arabic numerals (horizontally), preceded by a decimal point, and are read as successive digits, as in Western convention. Note that, in written form, they can be combined with either the traditional system of expressing numerals (42.195 kilometers: {{lang|ja|四十二・一九五 キロメートル}}), in which powers of ten are written, or with the place value system, which uses zero (50.04 percent: {{lang|ja|五〇・〇四 パーセント.}}) In both cases, however, the reading follows the traditional system ({{lang|ja|yon-jū ni-ten ichi-kyū go kiromētoru}} for 42.195 kilometers; {{lang|ja|go ju-tten rei-yon pāsento}} for 50.04 percent.) == В именах == Существуют имена {{нихонго|[[Millennium Actress|Тиёко]]|千代子||дословно «тысяча лет» (женское)}}, {{нихонго|Тидзуру|千鶴||дословно «тысяча [[Японский журавль|журавлей]]» (женское)}}, {{нихонго|Тикао|千禾夫||дословно «муж — тысяча колосьев»}}, фамилия {{нихонго|Титака|千鷹||дословно «тысяча соколов»}}. Одна из японских префектур называется {{нихонго|[[Тиба (префектура)|Тиба]]|千葉||дословно «тысяча листьев»}}. В [[аниме]] «[[Унесённые призраками]]» обыгрывается неоднозначность прочтения иероглифа 千 — «сэн» или «ти»: имя главной героини — {{нихонго|Тихиро|千尋||дословно «тысяча [[Японская система мер#Меры длины|хиро]]», «бездонная глубина»}}; колдунья «забирает» имя у Тихиро, оставляя ей только один иероглиф и меняя его прочтение. Отныне Тихиро зовётся {{нихонго|Сэн|千||тысяча}}. Кроме того, есть последовательность мужских имён, которыми называют детей по порядку рождения: # {{нихонго|Итиро|一郎|итиро:|первый сын}}, # {{нихонго|Дзиро|二郎|дзиро:|второй сын}}, # {{нихонго|Сабуро|三郎|сабуро:}}, # {{нихонго|Сиро|四郎|сиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Горо|五郎|горо:}}, # {{нихонго|Рокуро|六郎|рокуро:}}, # {{нихонго|Ситиро|七郎|ситиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Хатиро|八郎|хатиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Куро|九郎|куро:}}, # {{нихонго|Дзюро|十郎|дзю:ро:}}, # {{нихонго|Тоитиро|十一郎|тоитиро:}} или {{нихонго|Дзюитиро|十一郎|дзю:итиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Дзюдзиро|十二郎|дзю:дзиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Тосабуро|十三郎|тосабуро:}} или {{нихонго|Дзюсабуро|十三郎|дзю:сабуро:}}. После [[Вторая мировая война|Второй мировой войны]] имена «больше» Сабуро почти вышли из употребления. Кроме указанных имён есть даже {{нихонго|Дзюсиро|十四郎|дзю:сиро:|четырнадцатый сын}} и {{нихонго|Хякуро|百郎|хякуро:|сотый сын}}: их, кроме прочих, носят актёр [[Кабуки]] [[Коноэ, Дзюсиро|Дзюсиро Коноэ]] (近衛 十四郎) и [[мангака]] [[Мурасаки, Хякуро|Хякуро Мурасаки]] (村崎 百郎). == Formalne čislovniky == [[File:Shoe Boxes (743286602).jpg|thumb|{{lang|en|[[Getabako]]}}]] As with Chinese numerals, there exists in Japanese a separate set of kanji for numerals called {{Nihongo||大字|'''daiji'''}} used in legal and financial documents to prevent unscrupulous individuals from adding a stroke or two, turning a one into a two or a three. The formal numbers are identical to the [[Chinese financial numerals|Chinese formal numbers]] except for minor stroke variations. Today, the numbers for one, two, three, and ten are written only in their formal form in legal documents (the numbers 4 to 9 as well as 100, 1000 and 10000 are written identically to the common ones, cf. table below).<ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:大正十一年大蔵省令第四十三号 (会計法規ニ基ク出納計算ノ数字及記載事項ノ訂正ニ関スル件) |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/T11/T11F03401000043.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023833/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/T11/T11F03401000043.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『第一条: 会計法規ニ基ク出納計算ニ関スル諸書類帳簿ニ記載スル金額其ノ他ノ数量ニシテ「一」、「二」、「三」、「十」、「廿」、「卅」ノ数字ハ「壱」、「弐」、「参」、「拾」、「弐拾」、「参拾」ノ字体ヲ用ユヘシ但横書ヲ為ストキハ「アラビア」数字ヲ用ユルコトヲ得』}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:戸籍法施行規則 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S22/S22F00501000094.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023839/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S22/S22F00501000094.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:「第三十一条 2: 年月日を記載するには、壱、弐、参、拾の文字を用いなければならない。」}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:小切手振出等事務取扱規程 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S26/S26F03401000020.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023849/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S26/S26F03401000020.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『附則 (昭和四〇年四月一日大蔵省令第二〇号) 2: 小切手の券面金額は、当分の間、所定の金額記載欄に、漢数字により表示することができる。この場合においては、「一」、「二」、「三」及び「十」の字体は、それぞれ「壱」、「弐」、「参」及び「拾」の漢字を用い、かつ、所定の金額記載欄の上方余白に当該金額記載欄に記載の金額と同額をアラビア数字で副記しなければならない。』}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:商業登記規則 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S39/S39F03201000023.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20090202084605/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S39/S39F03201000023.html |archive-date=2009-02-02 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『第四十八条 2: 金銭その他の物の数量、年月日及び番号を記載するには、「壱、弐、参、拾」の文字を用いなければならない。ただし、横書きをするときは、アラビヤ数字を用いることができる。』}}</ref> These numbers' common forms can be changed to a higher value by adding strokes (1 and 2 were explained above, while 3 can be changed to 5, and 10 to 1000). In some cases, the digit 1 is explicitly written like {{lang|ja|壱百壱拾}} for 110, as opposed to {{lang|ja|百十}} in common writing. Formal numbers: {| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center" ! rowspan="2" | Number ! rowspan="2" | Common ! colspan="2" | Formal |- ! In use !! Obsolete |- | align="right" | 1 || {{lang|ja|一}} || {{lang|ja|壱}} || {{lang|ja|壹}} |- | align="right" | 2 || {{lang|ja|二}} || {{lang|ja|弐}} || {{lang|ja|貳}} |- | align="right" | 3 || {{lang|ja|三}} || {{lang|ja|参}} || {{lang|ja|參}} |- | align="right" | 4 || {{lang|ja|四}} || {{lang|ja|四}} || {{lang|ja|肆}} |- | align="right" | 5 || {{lang|ja|五}} || {{lang|ja|五}} || {{lang|ja|伍}} |- | align="right" | 6 || {{lang|ja|六}} || {{lang|ja|六}} || {{lang|ja|陸}} |- | align="right" | 7 || {{lang|ja|七}} || {{lang|ja|七}} || {{lang|ja|柒}}, {{lang|ja|漆}} |- | align="right" | 8 || {{lang|ja|八}} || {{lang|ja|八}} || {{lang|ja|捌}} |- | align="right" | 9 || {{lang|ja|九}} || {{lang|ja|九}} || {{lang|ja|玖}} |- | align="right" | 10 || {{lang|ja|十}} || {{lang|ja|拾}} || {{lang|ja|拾}} |- | align="right" | 100 || {{lang|ja|百}} || {{lang|ja|百}} || {{lang|ja|佰}} |- | align="right" | 1000 || {{lang|ja|千}} || {{lang|ja|千}} || {{lang|ja|阡}}, {{lang|ja|仟}} |- | align="right" | 10000 || {{lang|ja|万}} || {{lang|ja|万}}, {{lang|ja|萬}} || {{lang|ja|萬}} |} The four current [[banknotes of the Japanese yen]], 1000-yen, 2000-yen, 5000-yen, and 10000-yen, have formal numbers {{lang|ja|千}}, {{lang|ja|弐千}}, {{lang|ja|五千}}, and {{lang|ja|壱万}}, respectively. ==V starojaponskom jezyku== [[Old Japanese]] shares some vocabulary with later periods, but there are also unique number terms over 10 which are not used any more, aside from being parts of specific [[lexeme]]s. Notes: * The transcription is based on the [[phoneme]] and is not [[phonetics|phonetic]]. See [[Old Japanese]] for further information. * See {{lang|ja|[[Jōdai Tokushu Kanazukai]]}} for information on subscript notation. <!--NOTE: Please do NOT change /h/ to /p/. The transcription is phonemic, not phonetic. While it must have been [p] at some time in the past, during the Old Japanese period it was [ɸ]. --> {| class="wikitable" ! Čislo ! Izgovor ! Priklady ! Primětky |- | align="right" | 1 | [[wiktionary:一#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|一日}} {{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂pi₁}} (1 day), {{lang|ojp|一年}} {{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂to₂se}} (1 year) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 2 | [[wiktionary:二#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|futa}}]] | {{lang|ojp|二夜}} {{lang|ojp|futayo₂}} (2 nights) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 3 | [[wiktionary:三#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|mi₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|三十}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁so₁}} (30) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 4 | [[wiktionary:四#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|yo₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|四十}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂so₁}} (40), {{lang|ojp|四人}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂tari}} (4 people) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 5 | [[wiktionary:五#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|itu}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五年}} {{lang|ojp|ituto₂se}} (5 years) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 6 | [[wiktionary:六#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|mu}}]] | {{lang|ojp|六爪}} {{lang|ojp|mutuma}} (6 claws) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 7 | [[wiktionary:七#Noun|{{lang|ojp|nana}}]] | {{lang|ojp|七瀬}} {{lang|ojp|nanase}} (many rapids) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 8 | [[wiktionary:八#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|ya}}]] | {{lang|ojp|八雲}} {{lang|ojp|yakumo₁}} (many clouds) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 9 | [[wiktionary:九#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|九柱}} {{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂pasira}} (9 nobles / gods) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 10 | [[wiktionary:十#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|to₂}}]] / [[wiktionary:十#Noun 3|{{lang|ojp|to₂wo}}]] | {{lang|ojp|十日}} {{lang|ojp|to₂woka}} (10 days) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 10 | [[wiktionary:十#Noun|{{lang|ojp|so₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|三十}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁so₁}} (30), {{lang|ojp|四十}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂so₁}} (40), {{lang|ojp|六十}} {{lang|ojp|muso₁}} (60), {{lang|ojp|八十}} {{lang|ojp|yaso₁}} (80) | Found only in compound words; not used alone. |- | align="right" | 20 | [[wiktionary:二十#Noun|{{lang|ojp|pata}}]] | {{lang|ojp|二十}} {{lang|ojp|patati}} (20), {{lang|ojp|二十人}} {{lang|ojp|patatari}} (20 people), {{lang|ojp|二十年}} {{lang|ojp|patato₂se}} (20 years) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 50 | [[wiktionary:五十|{{lang|ojp|i}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五十日}} {{lang|ojp|ika}} (50 days) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 100 | [[wiktionary:百#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|po}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五百}} {{lang|ojp|ipo}} (500), {{lang|ojp|五百年}} {{lang|ojp|ipoto₂se}} (500 years), {{lang|ojp|五百夜}} {{lang|ojp|ipoyo₂}} (500 nights), {{lang|ojp|八百}} {{lang|ojp|yapo}} (800), {{lang|ojp|三百}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁po}} (300), {{lang|ojp|六百}} {{lang|ojp|mupo}} (600), {{lang|ojp|九百}} {{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂po}} (900) | Used for multiple hundreds in compound numerals. Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 100 | [[wiktionary:百#Noun 3|{{lang|ojp|mo₁mo₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|百日}} {{lang|ojp|mo₁mo₁ka}} (many days) | Used for non-multiple hundred and for the number "100" by itself. Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 1000 | [[wiktionary:千#Noun|{{lang|ojp|ti}}]] | {{lang|ojp|千年}} {{lang|ojp|tito₂se}} (1000 years, many years) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 10000 | [[wiktionary:万#Noun|{{lang|ojp|yo₂ro₂du}}]] | {{lang|ojp|八百万}} {{lang|ojp|yapoyo₂ro₂du}} (8000000, myriad) | Often used to mean many. |} ==Sčitanje na prstah== Japanese uses separate systems for counting for oneself and for displaying numbers to others, which both proceed up to ten. For counting, one begins with the palm open, then counts up to five by curling up (folding down) the fingers, starting from the thumb – thus one has just the thumb down (and others extended), while four has only the little finger extended, and five has a fist. One then counts up to ten by proceeding in the reverse order, extending the fingers, starting at the little finger – thus six is the same as four, seven the same as three, and so forth, with ten ending with the palm open. While this introduces ambiguity, it is not used to present to others, so this is generally not a problem. When displaying for others, one starts with the hand closed, and extends fingers, starting with the index, going to the little finger, then ending with the thumb, as in the United States. For numbers above five, one uses an open hand (indicating five) and places the appropriate number of fingers from the other hand against the palm (palms facing each other) – so six has the index finger against the palm, and so forth.<ref>{{Cite web| url = http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/aa112198.htm| title = Counting on one's fingers. About.com, Japanese Language, Namiko Abe| archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20130120143955/http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/aa112198.htm |archive-date = 2013-01-20}}</ref> To display ten, one presents both hands open and palm outwards. == Zapisyvanje cifr slovami == Since the adoption of [[Arabic numerals]], it has become more and more common for numbers to be written using them. Counters and ordinal numbers are typically written in Arabic numbers, such as {{nihongo|three people|3人|san-nin}}, {{nihongo|July, "seventh-month"|7月|shichigatsu}}, {{nihongo|age 20|20歳|hatachi}}, etc., although {{lang|ja|三人}}, {{lang|ja|七月}} and {{lang|ja|二十歳}} are also acceptable to write (albeit less common). However, numbers that are part of lexemes are typically written in kanji. For example, the term {{nihongo|'vegetable stand / grocer'|八百屋|yaoya}} translates into "800 store" and uses the Old Japanese pronunciation for 800, {{lang|ojp|ya(h)o}}. The notorious Japanese organized crime syndicate, the [[yakuza]], can be written {{lang|ja|八九三}} (or 893), a hand in {{lang|en|[[Oicho-Kabu|oicho-kabu]]}} that is worth 0 points, indicating that yakuza are "worthless persons" or "gambling persons".<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://www.sljfaq.org/afaq/yakuza.html |title=What is the origin of yakuza? |website=www.sljfaq.org |access-date=2016-03-24}}</ref> ==Zrite takože== *[[Chinese numerals]] *[[Decimal separator]] *[[Japanese counter word]] *[[Japanese people]] *[[Japanese wordplay#Numeric substitution|Japanese wordplay § Numeric substitution]] == Referencije == {{Iztočniky}} ==Vnješnje linky== <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> * {{lang|ja|[http://www.moroo.com/uzokusou/misc/suumei/suumei.html 大数の名前について]}} (na japonskom jezyku) * {{Cite web |url= http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanese.html | title = Ancient Japanese number system| archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20180829030749/http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanese.html |archive-date=2018-08-29}} * [http://www.solosequenosenada.com/gramatica/japanese/Learn_Japanese_Numbers.php English exercises for learning Japanese numerals] * [https://web.archive.org/web/20090324035049/http://www.learnjapanesewordsandphrases.com/learnjapanesenumbers.html Audio to learn the pronunciation for Japanese numbers] * [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/kanjinumbers.cgi Convert kanji numerals to arabic numerals] (sci. lang. Japan FAQ page) * [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/numbers.cgi Convert arabic numerals to kanji numerals] (sci. lang. Japan FAQ page) </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese numerals|}} [[Kategorija:Čisla]] [[Kategorija:Japonsky jezyk]] [[Kategorija:Čislovniky]] {{INTERWIKI|Q1337084}} {{Kartka osoba | name = Viktor Coj | native_name = <center>{{Jezyky|ru|Виктор Цой}}</center> | image = [[Fajl:Victor Tsoi 1986.jpg|thumb|center|Viktor Coj v lětu 1986]] | alt = | caption = | birth_name = Viktor Robertovič Coj | birth_date = {{birth date|1962|6|21|df=yes}} | birth_place = [[Sankt-Peterburg|Leningrad]], [[Rosijska Sovětska Federativna Socialističska Republika|RSFSR]], [[Sovětsky Sojuz]] | death_date = {{death date and age|1990|8|15|1962|6|21|df=yes}} | death_place = [[Latvijska Sovětska Socialističska Republika|Latvijska SSR]], Sovětsky Sojuz | death_cause = Avto avarija | resting_place = Bogoslovskoje grobišče, Sankt-Peterburg | occupation = {{Flatlist| * pěvec * avtor pěsnjej * avtor muziky * aktor * avangardny umětnik }} | years_active = 1978–1990 | spouse = {{Plainlist| * Marianna Coj, od 1984 }} | children = [[Aleksandr Coj]], rod. 1985 | module = {{Kartka muzikant|embed=yes <!-- See Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians --> | background = solo_singer <!-- mandatory format: please do not change or remove --> | instrument = {{flatlist| * [[Vokal|vokal]] * [[Gitara|gitara]] * [[Bas-gitara|bas-gitara]] }} | genre = {{Flatlist| * [[Post-punk|post-pank]] * [[New wave (muzika)|nova volna]] * [[gotičny rok]] * [[Punk|pank rok]] }} | label = {{Flatlist| * [[AnTrop]] * [[Firma Melodija|Melodija]] }} | current_member_of = {{Flatlist| * [[Kino (grupa)|Kino]] * [[Avtomatičeskije udovletvoriteli]] * [[Sergej Kurjohin]] }} }} }} Tuto jest peskovišče. [[File:Nihongo.svg|thumb|right|100px| 日本語 (Japonsky jezyk)]] '''Japonsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|ja|日本語 {{!}} にほんご}} | {{-|''Nihongo'' [nʲiho̞ŋːo̞]}}) <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> </span> == Referencije == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese language|}} [[Kategorija:Jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5287}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} mpp2p2c8z983d35trjn75aq1rrroblm 27931 27930 2026-07-03T08:20:16Z Ilja isv 10 27931 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=July 2026}} {{-|''Under construction''}} {{nihongo|'''Japonske čislovniky'''|数詞|sūshi}} sut [[Čislovnik (lingvistika)|čislovniky]], koristane v [[Japonsky jezyk|japonskom jezyku]]. V pismennosti oni sut jednake s [[Kitajske čislovniky|kitajskymi čislovnikami]], I velike čisla slědujut kitajskomu stilju s grupovanjem po 10,000. Koristajut se dva izgovory: Sino-Japonsko čitanje ([[On'yomi|{{lang|en|on'yomi}}]]) i Japonsko čitanje {{lang|en|[[Wago|yamato kotoba]]}} (rodne slova, {{lang|en|[[kun'yomi]]}}) [[Kitajske hieroglify|kitajskyh hieroglifov]]. ==Čisla v japonskom jezyku== Sut dva sposoby, kako pisati čisla na japonskom jezyku: [[Arabske cifry|arabskymi ciframi]] (1, 2, 3) ili [[Kitajske čislovniky|kitajskymi čislovnikami]] ({{lang|zh|一}}, {{lang|zh|二}}, {{lang|zh|三}}). Arabske čisla sut vyše često koristane pri [[Horizontalno i vertikalno pisanje v Iztočno aziatskoj pismennosti|horizontalnom pisanju]], a kitajske čisla sut vyše obyčajne pri [[Horizontalno i vertikalno pisanje v Iztočno aziatskoj pismennosti|vertikalnom pisanju]]. Věčšinstvo čisel imaje dva čitanja, kako i večšinstvo [[Kanji|kandži]], to, ktoro jest izvedeno od kitajskogo čitanja, koristaje se za redne čislovniky ([[on'yomi|čitanje {{lang|en|On}}]] ) a rodno japonsko čitanje ([[kun'yomi|čitanje {{lang|en|Kun}}]]) koristaje se nemnogo menje formalno za čisla do 10. V něktoryh slučajah (privedenyh dole), jsponsko čitanje obyčno jest preferovano za vse izkoristanja. Archaične čtanja sut označene †. {| class="wikitable nounderlines" ! Čislo ! Znak ! Čitanje {{lang|en|On}} ! Čitanje {{lang|en|Kun}}<ref>{{cite book |script-title=ja:スーパー大辞林 |trans-title=Super [[Daijirin]] |language=ja |publisher=[[Sanseidō]] }}</ref> ! Prědnostno čitanje |- | align="right" | [[0]] | {{lang|ja|零}} / {{lang|ja|〇}}{{sup|*}} | {{Nihongo||れい|rei}} | {{Nihongo||まる|maru}} | {{Nihongo||ゼロ|zero}} ([[Pozajetje (lingvistika)|pozajetje]], {{lang|en|[[Loanwords in Japanese|gairaigo]]}}) |- | align="right" | [[1]] | {{lang|ja|一}} | {{Nihongo||いち|ichi}} | {{Nihongo||ひと・つ|hito(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||いち|ichi}} |- | align="right" | [[2]] | {{lang|ja|二}} | {{Nihongo||に|ni}} | {{Nihongo||ふた・つ|futa(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||に|ni}} |- | align="right" | [[3]] | {{lang|ja|三}} | {{Nihongo||さん|san}} | {{Nihongo||みっ・つ|mit(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||さん|san}} |- | align="right" | [[4]] | {{lang|ja|四}} | {{Nihongo||し|shi}} | {{lang|en|yon}}, {{Nihongo||よん、よっ・つ|yot(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||よん|yon}} |- | align="right" | [[5]] | {{lang|ja|五}} | {{Nihongo||ご|go}} | {{Nihongo||いつ・つ|itsu(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||ご|go}} |- | align="right" | [[6]] | {{lang|ja|六}} | {{Nihongo||ろく|roku}} | {{Nihongo||むっ・つ|mut(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||ろく|roku}} |- | align="right" | [[7]] | {{lang|ja|七}} | {{Nihongo||しち|shichi}} | {{Nihongo||なな・つ|nana(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||なな|nana}} |- | align="right" | [[8]] | {{lang|ja|八}} | {{Nihongo||はち|hachi}} | {{Nihongo||やっ・つ|yat(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||はち|hachi}} |- | align="right" | [[9]] | {{lang|ja|九}} | {{lang|ja|ku}}, {{Nihongo||く, きゅう|kyū}} | {{Nihongo||ここの・つ|kokono(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||きゅう|kyū}} |- | align="right" | [[10]] | {{lang|ja|十}} | {{Nihongo||じゅう|jū}} | {{Nihongo||とお|tō}} | {{Nihongo||じゅう|jū}} |- | align="right" | [[20 (number)|20]] | {{lang|ja|二十}} | {{Nihongo||にじゅう|ni-jū}} | {{Nihongo||はた|hata}}† | {{Nihongo||にじゅう|ni-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[30 (number)|30]] | {{lang|ja|三十}} | {{Nihongo||さんじゅう|san-jū}} | {{Nihongo||みそ|miso}}† | {{Nihongo||さんじゅう|san-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[40 (number)|40]] | {{lang|ja|四十}} | {{Nihongo||しじゅう|shi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||よそ|yoso}}† | {{Nihongo||よんじゅう|yon-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[50 (number)|50]] | {{lang|ja|五十}} | {{Nihongo||ごじゅう|go-jū}} | {{Nihongo||いそ|iso}}† | {{Nihongo||ごじゅう|go-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[60 (number)|60]] | {{lang|ja|六十}} | {{Nihongo||ろくじゅう|roku-jū}} | {{Nihongo||むそ|muso}}† | {{Nihongo||ろくじゅう|roku-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[70 (number)|70]] | {{lang|ja|七十}} | {{Nihongo||しちじゅう|shichi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||ななそ|nanaso}}† | {{Nihongo||ななじゅう|nana-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[80 (number)|80]] | {{lang|ja|八十}} | {{Nihongo||はちじゅう|hachi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||やそ|yaso}}† | {{Nihongo||はちじゅう|hachi-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[90 (number)|90]] | {{lang|ja|九十}} | {{Nihongo||くじゅう|ku-jū}} | {{Nihongo||ここのそ|kokonoso}}† | {{Nihongo||きゅうじゅう|kyū-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[100]] | {{lang|ja|百}} | {{Nihongo||ひゃく|hyaku}} | {{Nihongo||もも|momo}}† | {{Nihongo||ひゃく|hyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[500 (number)|500]] | {{lang|ja|五百}} | {{Nihongo||ごひゃく|go-hyaku}} | {{Nihongo||いお|io}}† | {{Nihongo||ごひゃく|go-hyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[800 (number)|800]] | {{lang|ja|八百}} | {{Nihongo||はっぴゃく|hap-pyaku}} | {{Nihongo||やお|yao}}† | {{Nihongo||はっぴゃく|hap-pyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[1000 (number)|1,000]] | {{lang|ja|千}} | {{Nihongo||せん|sen}} | {{Nihongo||ち|chi}}† | {{Nihongo||せん|sen}} |- | align="right" | [[10,000]] | {{lang|ja|万}} | {{Nihongo||まん|man}} | {{Nihongo||よろず|yorozu}}† | {{Nihongo||まん|man}} |- | align="right" | [[100,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|億}} | {{Nihongo||おく|oku}} |— | {{Nihongo||おく|oku}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)#1012|1,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|兆}} | {{Nihongo||ちょう|chō}} |— | {{Nihongo||ちょう|chō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10,000,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|京}} | {{Nihongo||けい|kei}} |— | {{Nihongo||けい|kei}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|100,000,000,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|垓}} | {{Nihongo||がい|gai}} |— | {{Nihongo||がい|gai}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10²⁴]] | {{lang|ja|𥝱}} | {{Nihongo||じょ|jo}} |— | {{Nihongo||じょ|jo}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10²⁸]] | {{lang|ja|穣}} | {{Nihongo||じょう|jō}} |— | {{Nihongo||じょう|jō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10³²]] | {{lang|ja|溝}} | {{Nihongo||こう|kō}} |— | {{Nihongo||こう|kō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10³⁶]] | {{lang|ja|澗}} | {{Nihongo||かん|kan}} |— | {{Nihongo||かん|kan}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁰]] | {{lang|ja|正}} | {{Nihongo||せい|sei}} |— | {{Nihongo||せい|sei}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁴]] | {{lang|ja|載}} | {{Nihongo||さい|sai}} |— | {{Nihongo||さい|sai}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁸]] | {{lang|ja|極}} | {{Nihongo||ごく|goku}} |— | {{Nihongo||ごく|goku}} |} <small><nowiki>*</nowiki> Imaje se takože specialno čitanje 〇 ({{-|''maru''}}), čto označaje "krugly" ili "krug". Ono može koristati se opcionalno, kogda čitajut se odděljene cifry v nomeru jedna po jednoj, vměsto vsego čisla. Polpularnym priměrim jest [[109 (trgovy dom)|znamenity magazin "109"]] v četvrti [[Shibuya|Šibuja, Tokio]], ktory čitaje se kako {{lang|en|ichi-maru-kyū}} (Kandži: {{lang|ja|一〇九}}). (On takože može čitati se kako 'deset-devet'— izgovarjaje se {{lang|en|tō-kyū}} — čto jest igra slov s nazvanjem tokijskogo trgovogo doma, ktory vladaje budynkom.) Tuto izkoristanje {{lang|en|maru}} za čislnu 0 jest podobno poněkogdomu čitanju čisla 0 v anglijskom jezyku kako {{-| ''oh''}}. Jednakože, kako čislo, jego jedino zapisyvajut kako 0 ili {{Nihongo|零|{{-|rei}}}}. Čtovyše, dva i pet igovarjajut s dolgoju samoglaskoju v telefoničnyh nomerah (napr. {{lang|ja|にい}} {{lang|en|nī}} i {{lang|ja|ごお}} {{lang|en|gō}}). Čisla poslě {{lang|en|kei}} koristajut rědko. Tym ne menje, oni sut prědstavjene tut.</small> Kako odměčaje se vyše, {{lang|en|yon}} (4) i {{lang|en|nana}} (7) sut uprědnostnjene nad {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}}. Prědpokladaje se, že tuto jest svezano s tym, že {{lang|en|shi}} jest takože čitanjem slova 死 (smrt), čto děljae jego neščestlivym čitanjem (gledite [[tetrafobija]]); dokolě {{lang|en|shichi}} može zvučati velmi slično s {{lang|en|ichi}} (1), {{lang|en|shi}} ili {{lang|en|hachi}} (8). Jednakože, v cělom redu stanovjenyh slov i rěčenij, {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}} sut stale preferovane; tako, pri sčitanju (kako v {{lang|en|"ichi, ni, san, shi,..."}}), {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}} mogut iměti prědnost. Čislo 9 takože mněvaje se nesčestlivym; kogda izgovarjaje se {{lang|en|ku}}, ono sozvučno 苦 (stradanje). Čislo 13 poněkogda mněvaje se nesčestlivym, ale jest to kalka [[Triskaidekafobia|zapadnoj tradicije]]. Naprotiv, 7 i poněkogda 8 mněvajut se sčestlivymy u japoncev.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://lingualift.com/blog/lucky-unlucky-numbers-japan/|title=The number of death: Lucky and unlucky numbers in Japan|website=The Science of Language Self-Study {{!}} LinguaLift Blog|access-date=2016-03-24}}</ref> V sovrěmennom japonskom jezyku, redne čislovniky pomimo 4 i 7 sut obyčno koristane v čitanju {{lang|en|on}}. Alternativno čitanje byvaje v nazvah měsecev, čislah dnjev v měsecu i stalyh izrazah; napriměr, april, julij, i september nazyvajut se {{lang|en|'''shi'''-gatsu}} (4. měsec), {{lang|en|'''shichi'''-gatsu}} (7. měsec), i {{lang|en|'''ku'''-gatsu}} (9. měsec). Čitanja {{lang|en|on}} takože koristajut pri prěklikanju dlja sčitanja ljudij (nap. {{lang|en|ichi-ni-san-shi}}). Večši čisla dělajut, kombinujuči tute elementy: *desetky od 20 do 90 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-jū}}" kako od {{Nihongo|二十|{{-|ni-jū}}}} do {{Nihongo|九十|{{-|kyū-jū}}}}. *sotky od 200 do 900 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-hyaku}}". *tyseče od 2000 do 9000 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-sen}}". Počinajuči od {{Nihongo|miriady|万}}, čisla začinajut se s {{Nihongo|一|{{-|ichi}}}}, jestlu ne jest prisutna ina cifra. Tako, 100 bude prosto {{Nihongo|百|{{-|hyaku}}}}, 1000 jest prosto {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}, ale 10000 uže{{Nihongo|一万|{{-|ichiman}}}}, vměsto prosto {{lang|en|man}}. (Tuto odličaje se od [[Kitajsky jezyk|kitajskogo jezyka]], kde čisla začinajut se c {{lang|zh|一}} ako ne jest druga ina cifra prěd njeju, uže od 100.) I jestli {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}neposrědnje prědhodi nazvě kolikosti [[Miriada|miriad]], prěd {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}obyčno dodavajut {{Nihongo|一|{{-|ichi}}}}, čto davaje {{Nihongo|一千|{{-|issen}}}}. Tako, 10,000,000 (bukvalno 1000,0000) obyčno čitajut kako {{Nihongo|一千万|{{-|issenman}}}}. Ale ako {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}} ''ne'' premo prědhodi kolikosti myriad, dodavanje {{Nihongo|一|ichi}}jest opcionalno. Tako, 15,000,000 (1500,0000) čitaje se kako {{Nihongo|千五百万|sengohyakuman}} ili {{Nihongo|一千五百万|issengohyakuman}}, ravno i kako 1500 čitaje se {{Nihongo|千五百|sengohyaku}}ili {{Nihongo|一千五百|issengohyaku}}. Sut i něktore fonetične modifikacije v ozvučanju něktoryh velikyh čisel, [[Oglasovanje i obezglasovanje suglasok|oglasovanje]] ili [[gemacija]] něktoryh suglasok, kako to često byvaje v japonskom jezyku (napr. {{lang|en|[[rendaku]]}}): napr. {{lang|en|roku}} "šest" i {{lang|en|hyaku}} "sto" dělajut {{lang|en|roppyaku}} "šestsot". {| class="wikitable" ! × !! 1 !! 2 !! 3 !! 4 !! 5 !! 6 !! 7 !! 8 !! 9 !! 10 !! 100 !! 1000 |- | align="right" | 100 | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hyaku, ippyaku}} | {{lang|en|nihyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sanbyaku}} | {{lang|en|yonhyaku}} | {{lang|en|gohyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|roppyaku}} | {{lang|en|nanahyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|happyaku}} | {{lang|en|kyūhyaku}} |— |— |— |- | align="right" | 1,000 | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sen, issen}} | {{lang|en|nisen}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sanzen}} | {{lang|en|yonsen}} | {{lang|en|gosen}} | {{lang|en|rokusen}} | {{lang|en|nanasen}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hassen}} | {{lang|en|kyūsen}} | — | — | — |- | align="right" | 10{{sup|12}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|itchō}} | {{lang|en|nichō}} | {{lang|en|sanchō}} | {{lang|en|yonchō}} | {{lang|en|gochō}} | {{lang|en|rokuchō}} | {{lang|en|nanachō}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hatchō}} | {{lang|en|kyūchō}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|jutchō}}* | {{lang|en|hyakuchō}} | {{lang|en|issenchō}} |- | align="right" | 10{{sup|16}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|ikkei}} | {{lang|en|nikei}} | {{lang|en|sankei}} | {{lang|en|yonkei}} | {{lang|en|gokei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|rokkei}} | {{lang|en|nanakei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hakkei}} | {{lang|en|kyūkei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|jukkei}}* | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hyakkei}}** | {{lang|en|issenkei}} |} <small><nowiki>*</nowiki> Takože priměnjaje se k kratnym 10. Koncovka měnjaje se od {{lang|en|-jū}} na {{lang|en|-jutchō}} ili {{lang|en|-jukkei}}.<br /><nowiki>**</nowiki> Takože priměnjaje se k kratnym 100. Koncovka {{lang|en|-ku}} měnjaje se na {{lang|en|-kkei}}.</small> V čislah nad 10, elementy sut soredjene, i ne koristajut se nuly. Japonske čislovniky imajut ne pozicijnu, a multiplikativno-aditivnu sistemu; da by napisati čislo 20, trěba napisati simbol {{Nihongo|"dva"|二}}, a potom simbol {{Nihongo|"deset"|十}}, da by polučiti dvě desetky ili {{Nihongo|"dvadeset"|二十}}. {| class="wikitable" ! Čislo !! Znaky !! Čitanje !Značenje |- | align="right" | 11 || {{lang|ja|十一}} || {{lang|en|jū ichi}} |deset i jedno |- | align="right" | 17 || {{lang|ja|十七}} || {{lang|en|jū nana, jū shichi}} |deset i sedm |- | align="right" | 151 || {{lang|ja|百五十一}} || {{lang|en|hyaku go-jū ichi}} |sto, pet desetok i jedno |- | align="right" | 302 || {{lang|ja|三百二}} || {{lang|en|san-byaku ni}} |tri sta i dva |- | align="right" | 469 || {{lang|ja|四百六十九}} || {{lang|en|yon-hyaku roku-jū kyū}} |četyri, šest desetok i devet |- | align="right" | 2025 || {{lang|ja|二千二十五}} || {{lang|en|ni-sen ni-jū go}} |dva tyseče, dvě desetky i pet |} ===Čislne redky i desetične čisla=== Japonske cifry od 1 do 9 obyčno se koristajut izolovano. Redky cifr imajut slegka inako čitanje s prodolženymi samoglaskami za 2 (''nī'') i 5 (''gō''), i menje često, 4 (''shī'') i 9 (''kū''). Tako dělajut zato, že kogda prěčisljajut cifry, ako možno, oni muset byti v grupah po dvě, každa iz njih musi sostojeti točno iz četyreh [[Mora (lingvistika)|mor]], čto dělaje neobhodnym prodolženje obyčno jednomornyh cifr kako ''ni'', ''go'', ''shi'' and ''ku''.<ref name=nhk-2005-2>{{cite web|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250622082124/https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20250601_1.html|url=https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20250601_1.html|archive-date=22 June 2025|lang=ja|script-title=ja:語の読み方（語形）について数字の読み方～小数の読み方～|work=NHK Bunken|publisher=NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute|last=Yamashita|first=Yōko|last2=Fujii|first2=Madoka|date=28 February 2025|access-date=23 September 2025|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250622082259/https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20180501_4.html|url=https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20180501_4.html|archive-date=22 June 2025|date=1 May 2018|lang=ja|script-title=ja:数詞の発音とアクセント|work=NHK Bunken|publisher=NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute|last=Sakurai|first=Shigeharu|last2=Akinaga|first2=Kazue|access-date=23 September 2025|url-status=live}}</ref> Napiměr, taky redok kako '''5'''4'''2'''62 se izgovarjaje {{-|'''''gō'''-yon '''nī'''-roku ni''}}, kde prve dvě grupy sut kvadrimoraične. [[Japonsko tonalno udarjenje|Udarjenje]] pri tom padaje prědposlědnju moru kažfoj grupy, ako li to jest možlivo, odsud {{-|[ɡoː jóɴ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲiː ɾókɯ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲí]}}.<ref name=hirayama-1961>{{cite book|lang=ja|script-title=ja:全国アクセント辞典|first=Teruo|last=Hirayama|publisher=Tōkyōdō|date=25 December 1961|p=897}}</ref> Tuto pravilo takože priměnjaje se k poslědnoj cifrě celoj česti čisla i ko vsim cifram desetičnoj česti desetičnogo čisla.<ref name=nhk-2005-2/><ref name=hirayama-1961/> Napriměr, tako desetično čislo kako 25'''2'''.'''25'''5 se izgovarjaje {{-|''nihyaku gojū '''nī'''-ten '''nī-gō''' go''}} {{-|[ɲiçjakɯ́ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɡodʑɯ́ː <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲíː teɴ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲiː ɡóː <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɡó]}}, kde ''ten'' označaje "točka". ===Druge tipy čisel=== V japonskyh [[Ordinalny čislovnik|ordinalnyh čislovnikah]] koristajut modifikaciju uměstnyh sčetnyh slov, sistema ktoryh v japonskom jezyku jest dosti [[Japonske sčetne slova|komplikovana]]. Da by prěvratiti sčetno slovo (sčislovnik) v ordinalny čislovnik, ktory označaje poziciju v redu, na koncu sčislovnika dodavajut {{lang|ja|目}} {{lang|en|me}}. Tako "jedin raz" bude prěkladati se kako {{lang|ja|一回}} {{lang|en|ikkai}}, a "prvy raz" bude se prěkladati {{lang|ja|一回目}} {{lang|en|ikkaime}}. Tuto pravilo jest ale nedoslědno, ako sčislovniky bez sufiksa {{translit|ja|me}} često koristajut i v ordinalnom, i v [[Kardinalny čislovnik|kardinalnom]] smyslah. Napriměr, {{lang|ja|三階}} {{translit|ja|sangai}} može označati kako "tri etaže", tako i "tretji etaž." [[Distributivny čislovnik|Distributivne čislovniky]] obyčno stvarjajut iz kardinalnogo čislovnika, sčetnogo slova i sufiksa {{Nihongo|{{-|''-zutsu''}}|ずつ|}}, napriklad {{Nihongo|{{-|''hitori-zutsu''}}|一人ずつ|po jednoj osobě za raz, po-jedno}}. == Stupnje 10 == === Velike čisla === Vslěd kitajskoj tradiciji, velike čisla se stvarjajut grupovanjem cifr v [[Miriada|miriady]] (10,000), na razliku od zapadnyh tyseč(1,000) <div class="overflowbugx" style="overflow-x:auto;"> {| class="wikitable" !align="left"|Red |10{{sup|4}} |10{{sup|8}} |10{{sup|12}} |10{{sup|16}} |10{{sup|20}} |10{{sup|24}} |10{{sup|28}} |10{{sup|32}} |10{{sup|36}} |10{{sup|40}} |10{{sup|44}} |10{{sup|48}} |10{{sup|52}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(ili 10{{sup|56}})}}</small> |10{{sup|56}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(ili 10{{sup|64}})}}</small> |10{{sup|60}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|72}})}}</small> |10{{sup|64}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|80}})}}</small> |10{{sup|68}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|88}})}}</small> |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|万}} |{{lang|ja|億}} |{{lang|ja|兆}} |{{lang|ja|京}} |{{lang|ja|垓}} |{{lang|ja|𥝱}}, {{lang|ja|秭}} |{{lang|ja|穣}} |{{lang|ja|溝}} |{{lang|ja|澗}} |{{lang|ja|正}} |{{lang|ja|載}} |{{lang|ja|極}} |{{lang|ja|恒河沙}} |{{lang|ja|阿僧祇}} |{{lang|ja|那由他}}, {{lang|ja|那由多}} |{{lang|ja|不可思議}} |{{lang|ja|無量大数}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|en|man}} |{{lang|en|oku}} |{{lang|en|chō}} |{{lang|en|kei}} |{{lang|en|gai}} |{{lang|en|jo}}, {{lang|en|shi}} |{{lang|en|jō}} |{{lang|en|kō}} |{{lang|en|kan}} |{{lang|en|sei}} |{{lang|en|sai}} |{{lang|en|goku}} |{{lang|en|gōgasha}} |{{lang|en|asōgi}} |{{lang|en|nayuta}} |{{lang|en|fukashigi}} |{{lang|en|muryōtaisū}} |}</div> Razhoděnja sut iz-za {{Nihongo|{{-|[[Jinkōki]]}}|塵劫記|}}, najstaršego matematičnogo teksta Japonije. Originalno izdavanje bylo opublikovano v lětu 1627 i imělo mnogo grěšek, věčšinstvo ktoryh bylo izpravjeno v izdavanju 1631 goda. V lětu 1634 izšlo ješče jedno izdavanje, kde opet bylo izměnjeno několiko veličin. Vyše uvedeno razhodženje jest obuslovjeno nesuglasnostju dvoh poslědnjih izdavanij. Sut razne znaky za 10{{sup|24}} (to jest {{lang|ja|秭}} v kitajskom jezyku tutčas), i po 10{{sup|48}} oni odličajut se tym, že prodolžajut s povyšenjem faktora 10{{sup|4}} ili prěključajut se na faktor 10{{sup|8}}. Ako koristaje se faktor 10{{sup|8}}, medžuintervalne koeficienty 10{{sup|4}} zakryvajut s pomočju {{Nihongo|万|man}}. Nastoječe izdavanje {{lang|en|Jinkōki}}, 11-to, slěduje faktoru 10{{sup|4}} črez cělu sistemu, hoti něktori ljudi ješče koristajut veličiny iz 8-go izdavanja daže tutčas. Poslědnje tri čisla s mnogoslogovymi nazvanjami i razhodženjem veličin v koncu koncev izvodet se iz Indije, hoti tam oni ne iměli oprědeljennyh veličin. {{Nihongo|恒河沙|''gōgasha''}} prvonačelno koristalo se v budističskyh traktatah za označevanje bezměrno ogromnogo; ono proizhodi iz [[Sanskrit|sanskritskogo]] {{lang|sa|गङ्गा}} {{lang|en|gangā}} '[[Ganges|Ganga]]' (čto udobno vključaje znaky {{Nihongo|'rěka'|河|ka}} i {{Nihongo|'pěsok'|沙|sha}}, odsylajuči k neizčislimomu množstvu čestic pěska na rěkě Ganga. {{Nihongo|阿僧祇|''asōgi''|}}, od sanskritnogo {{lang|sa|असंख्येय}} {{lang|en|asaṃkhyeya}} 'neizčisljimy/bezčislny', s negativnym prefiksom {{Nihongo|阿|''a''|}}, i {{Nihongo|那由他|''nayuta''}} od sanskritnogo {{lang|sa|नयुत/नयुतः}} {{lang|en|nayuta(ḥ)}}. Dalje, cifry sut terminami iz [[Budizm|Budizma]], prěvedene na kitajsky ili iztvorjene na njem, ktorym pozdněje pridělali čislne značenja: {{Nihongo|'nevoobrazimy'|不可思議|fukashigi}} i {{Nihongo|'bezměrno veliko čislo'|無量大数|muryōtaisū}}. Priměry: ''(razděljenje na skupiny iz četyreh cifr jest privedeno samo za cěljem lěpšego objasnjenja)'' *1 0000 : {{Nihongo|一万|ichi-man}} *983 6703 : {{Nihongo|九百八十三万 六千七百三|kyū-hyaku hachi-jū san-man, roku-sen nana-hyaku san}} *20 3652 1801 : {{Nihongo|二十億 三千六百五十二万 千八百一|ni-jū oku, san-zen rop-pyaku go-jū ni-man, sen hap-pyaku ichi}} However, numbers written in Arabic numerals are separated by commas every three digits following English-speaking convention. If Arabic numbers and kanji are used in combination, Western orders of magnitude may be used for numbers smaller than 10,000 (e.g. {{lang|ja|2,500万}} for 25,000,000). In Japanese, when long numbers are written out in kanji, zeros are omitted for all powers of ten. Hence 4002 is {{lang|ja|四千二}} (in contrast, Chinese requires the use of {{lang|zh|零}} wherever a zero appears, e.g. {{lang|zh|四千零二}} for 4002). However, when reading out a statement of accounts, for example, the skipped digit or digits are sometimes indicated by {{Nihongo|飛び|tobi}} or {{Nihongo|飛んで|tonde}}): e.g. {{lang|ja|yon-sen '''tobi''' ni}} or {{lang|en|yon-sen '''tonde''' ni}} instead of the normal {{lang|en|yon-sen ni}}. === Drobne čisla === Japanese has two systems of numerals for decimal fractions. They are no longer in general use, but are still used in some instances such as batting and fielding averages of baseball players, winning percentages for sports teams, and in some idiomatic phrases such as 五分五分の勝負 ({{-|''gobugobu no shōbu''}}, 'fifty-fifty chance'}}, and when representing a rate or discount. The {{lang|en|bu}} fractions are also used when talking about fevers—for example {{Nihongo|九度二分|kudonibu}} for 9 and two parts—referring to the temperature 39.2°C. One system is as follows: {| class="wikitable" !align=left|Red |10{{sup|−1}} |10{{sup|−2}} |10{{sup|−3}} |10{{sup|−4}} |10{{sup|−5}} |10{{sup|−6}} |10{{sup|−7}} |10{{sup|−8}} |10{{sup|−9}} |10{{sup|−10}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|分}} |{{lang|ja|厘}} |{{lang|ja|毛}} |{{lang|ja|糸}} |{{lang|ja|忽}} |{{lang|ja|微}} |{{lang|ja|繊}} |{{lang|ja|沙}} |{{lang|ja|塵}} |{{lang|ja|埃}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|jen|bu}} |{{lang|en|rin}} |{{lang|en|mō}} |{{lang|en|shi}} |{{lang|en|kotsu}} |{{lang|en|bi}} |{{lang|en|sen}} |{{lang|en|sha}} |{{lang|en|jin}} |{{lang|en|ai}} |} This is the system used with the traditional [[Japanese units of measurement]]. Several of the names are used "as is" to represent a fraction of a [[cun (unit)|{{lang|en|sun}}]]. The other system of representing these decimal fractions of rate or discount uses a system "shifted down" with a {{lang|ja|bu}} becoming a "one hundredth" and so on, and the unit for "tenth" becoming {{lang|ja|wari}}: {| class="wikitable" !align=left|Red |10{{sup|−1}} |10{{sup|−2}} |10{{sup|−3}} |10{{sup|−4}} |10{{sup|−5}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|割}} |{{lang|ja|分}} |{{lang|ja|厘}} |{{lang|ja|毛}} |{{lang|ja|糸}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|en|wari}} |{{lang|en|bu}} |{{lang|en|rin}} |{{lang|en|mō}} |{{lang|en|shi}} |} This is often used with prices. For example: *{{Nihongo|一割五分引き|ichi-wari go-bu biki}}: 15% discount *{{Nihongo|打率三割八分九厘|daritsu san-wari hachi-bu kyū-rin}}: batting average .389 With the exception of {{lang|ja|wari}}, these are rarely seen in modern usage. Decimal fractions are typically written with either kanji numerals (vertically) or Arabic numerals (horizontally), preceded by a decimal point, and are read as successive digits, as in Western convention. Note that, in written form, they can be combined with either the traditional system of expressing numerals (42.195 kilometers: {{lang|ja|四十二・一九五 キロメートル}}), in which powers of ten are written, or with the place value system, which uses zero (50.04 percent: {{lang|ja|五〇・〇四 パーセント.}}) In both cases, however, the reading follows the traditional system ({{lang|ja|yon-jū ni-ten ichi-kyū go kiromētoru}} for 42.195 kilometers; {{lang|ja|go ju-tten rei-yon pāsento}} for 50.04 percent.) == В именах == Существуют имена {{нихонго|[[Millennium Actress|Тиёко]]|千代子||дословно «тысяча лет» (женское)}}, {{нихонго|Тидзуру|千鶴||дословно «тысяча [[Японский журавль|журавлей]]» (женское)}}, {{нихонго|Тикао|千禾夫||дословно «муж — тысяча колосьев»}}, фамилия {{нихонго|Титака|千鷹||дословно «тысяча соколов»}}. Одна из японских префектур называется {{нихонго|[[Тиба (префектура)|Тиба]]|千葉||дословно «тысяча листьев»}}. В [[аниме]] «[[Унесённые призраками]]» обыгрывается неоднозначность прочтения иероглифа 千 — «сэн» или «ти»: имя главной героини — {{нихонго|Тихиро|千尋||дословно «тысяча [[Японская система мер#Меры длины|хиро]]», «бездонная глубина»}}; колдунья «забирает» имя у Тихиро, оставляя ей только один иероглиф и меняя его прочтение. Отныне Тихиро зовётся {{нихонго|Сэн|千||тысяча}}. Кроме того, есть последовательность мужских имён, которыми называют детей по порядку рождения: # {{нихонго|Итиро|一郎|итиро:|первый сын}}, # {{нихонго|Дзиро|二郎|дзиро:|второй сын}}, # {{нихонго|Сабуро|三郎|сабуро:}}, # {{нихонго|Сиро|四郎|сиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Горо|五郎|горо:}}, # {{нихонго|Рокуро|六郎|рокуро:}}, # {{нихонго|Ситиро|七郎|ситиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Хатиро|八郎|хатиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Куро|九郎|куро:}}, # {{нихонго|Дзюро|十郎|дзю:ро:}}, # {{нихонго|Тоитиро|十一郎|тоитиро:}} или {{нихонго|Дзюитиро|十一郎|дзю:итиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Дзюдзиро|十二郎|дзю:дзиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Тосабуро|十三郎|тосабуро:}} или {{нихонго|Дзюсабуро|十三郎|дзю:сабуро:}}. После [[Вторая мировая война|Второй мировой войны]] имена «больше» Сабуро почти вышли из употребления. Кроме указанных имён есть даже {{нихонго|Дзюсиро|十四郎|дзю:сиро:|четырнадцатый сын}} и {{нихонго|Хякуро|百郎|хякуро:|сотый сын}}: их, кроме прочих, носят актёр [[Кабуки]] [[Коноэ, Дзюсиро|Дзюсиро Коноэ]] (近衛 十四郎) и [[мангака]] [[Мурасаки, Хякуро|Хякуро Мурасаки]] (村崎 百郎). == Formalne čislovniky == [[File:Shoe Boxes (743286602).jpg|thumb|{{lang|en|[[Getabako]]}}]] As with Chinese numerals, there exists in Japanese a separate set of kanji for numerals called {{Nihongo||大字|'''daiji'''}} used in legal and financial documents to prevent unscrupulous individuals from adding a stroke or two, turning a one into a two or a three. The formal numbers are identical to the [[Chinese financial numerals|Chinese formal numbers]] except for minor stroke variations. Today, the numbers for one, two, three, and ten are written only in their formal form in legal documents (the numbers 4 to 9 as well as 100, 1000 and 10000 are written identically to the common ones, cf. table below).<ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:大正十一年大蔵省令第四十三号 (会計法規ニ基ク出納計算ノ数字及記載事項ノ訂正ニ関スル件) |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/T11/T11F03401000043.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023833/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/T11/T11F03401000043.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『第一条: 会計法規ニ基ク出納計算ニ関スル諸書類帳簿ニ記載スル金額其ノ他ノ数量ニシテ「一」、「二」、「三」、「十」、「廿」、「卅」ノ数字ハ「壱」、「弐」、「参」、「拾」、「弐拾」、「参拾」ノ字体ヲ用ユヘシ但横書ヲ為ストキハ「アラビア」数字ヲ用ユルコトヲ得』}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:戸籍法施行規則 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S22/S22F00501000094.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023839/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S22/S22F00501000094.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:「第三十一条 2: 年月日を記載するには、壱、弐、参、拾の文字を用いなければならない。」}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:小切手振出等事務取扱規程 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S26/S26F03401000020.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023849/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S26/S26F03401000020.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『附則 (昭和四〇年四月一日大蔵省令第二〇号) 2: 小切手の券面金額は、当分の間、所定の金額記載欄に、漢数字により表示することができる。この場合においては、「一」、「二」、「三」及び「十」の字体は、それぞれ「壱」、「弐」、「参」及び「拾」の漢字を用い、かつ、所定の金額記載欄の上方余白に当該金額記載欄に記載の金額と同額をアラビア数字で副記しなければならない。』}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:商業登記規則 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S39/S39F03201000023.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20090202084605/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S39/S39F03201000023.html |archive-date=2009-02-02 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『第四十八条 2: 金銭その他の物の数量、年月日及び番号を記載するには、「壱、弐、参、拾」の文字を用いなければならない。ただし、横書きをするときは、アラビヤ数字を用いることができる。』}}</ref> These numbers' common forms can be changed to a higher value by adding strokes (1 and 2 were explained above, while 3 can be changed to 5, and 10 to 1000). In some cases, the digit 1 is explicitly written like {{lang|ja|壱百壱拾}} for 110, as opposed to {{lang|ja|百十}} in common writing. Formal numbers: {| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center" ! rowspan="2" | Number ! rowspan="2" | Common ! colspan="2" | Formal |- ! In use !! Obsolete |- | align="right" | 1 || {{lang|ja|一}} || {{lang|ja|壱}} || {{lang|ja|壹}} |- | align="right" | 2 || {{lang|ja|二}} || {{lang|ja|弐}} || {{lang|ja|貳}} |- | align="right" | 3 || {{lang|ja|三}} || {{lang|ja|参}} || {{lang|ja|參}} |- | align="right" | 4 || {{lang|ja|四}} || {{lang|ja|四}} || {{lang|ja|肆}} |- | align="right" | 5 || {{lang|ja|五}} || {{lang|ja|五}} || {{lang|ja|伍}} |- | align="right" | 6 || {{lang|ja|六}} || {{lang|ja|六}} || {{lang|ja|陸}} |- | align="right" | 7 || {{lang|ja|七}} || {{lang|ja|七}} || {{lang|ja|柒}}, {{lang|ja|漆}} |- | align="right" | 8 || {{lang|ja|八}} || {{lang|ja|八}} || {{lang|ja|捌}} |- | align="right" | 9 || {{lang|ja|九}} || {{lang|ja|九}} || {{lang|ja|玖}} |- | align="right" | 10 || {{lang|ja|十}} || {{lang|ja|拾}} || {{lang|ja|拾}} |- | align="right" | 100 || {{lang|ja|百}} || {{lang|ja|百}} || {{lang|ja|佰}} |- | align="right" | 1000 || {{lang|ja|千}} || {{lang|ja|千}} || {{lang|ja|阡}}, {{lang|ja|仟}} |- | align="right" | 10000 || {{lang|ja|万}} || {{lang|ja|万}}, {{lang|ja|萬}} || {{lang|ja|萬}} |} The four current [[banknotes of the Japanese yen]], 1000-yen, 2000-yen, 5000-yen, and 10000-yen, have formal numbers {{lang|ja|千}}, {{lang|ja|弐千}}, {{lang|ja|五千}}, and {{lang|ja|壱万}}, respectively. ==V starojaponskom jezyku== [[Old Japanese]] shares some vocabulary with later periods, but there are also unique number terms over 10 which are not used any more, aside from being parts of specific [[lexeme]]s. Notes: * The transcription is based on the [[phoneme]] and is not [[phonetics|phonetic]]. See [[Old Japanese]] for further information. * See {{lang|ja|[[Jōdai Tokushu Kanazukai]]}} for information on subscript notation. <!--NOTE: Please do NOT change /h/ to /p/. The transcription is phonemic, not phonetic. While it must have been [p] at some time in the past, during the Old Japanese period it was [ɸ]. --> {| class="wikitable" ! Čislo ! Izgovor ! Priklady ! Primětky |- | align="right" | 1 | [[wiktionary:一#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|一日}} {{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂pi₁}} (1 day), {{lang|ojp|一年}} {{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂to₂se}} (1 year) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 2 | [[wiktionary:二#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|futa}}]] | {{lang|ojp|二夜}} {{lang|ojp|futayo₂}} (2 nights) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 3 | [[wiktionary:三#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|mi₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|三十}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁so₁}} (30) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 4 | [[wiktionary:四#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|yo₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|四十}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂so₁}} (40), {{lang|ojp|四人}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂tari}} (4 people) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 5 | [[wiktionary:五#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|itu}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五年}} {{lang|ojp|ituto₂se}} (5 years) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 6 | [[wiktionary:六#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|mu}}]] | {{lang|ojp|六爪}} {{lang|ojp|mutuma}} (6 claws) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 7 | [[wiktionary:七#Noun|{{lang|ojp|nana}}]] | {{lang|ojp|七瀬}} {{lang|ojp|nanase}} (many rapids) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 8 | [[wiktionary:八#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|ya}}]] | {{lang|ojp|八雲}} {{lang|ojp|yakumo₁}} (many clouds) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 9 | [[wiktionary:九#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|九柱}} {{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂pasira}} (9 nobles / gods) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 10 | [[wiktionary:十#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|to₂}}]] / [[wiktionary:十#Noun 3|{{lang|ojp|to₂wo}}]] | {{lang|ojp|十日}} {{lang|ojp|to₂woka}} (10 days) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 10 | [[wiktionary:十#Noun|{{lang|ojp|so₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|三十}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁so₁}} (30), {{lang|ojp|四十}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂so₁}} (40), {{lang|ojp|六十}} {{lang|ojp|muso₁}} (60), {{lang|ojp|八十}} {{lang|ojp|yaso₁}} (80) | Found only in compound words; not used alone. |- | align="right" | 20 | [[wiktionary:二十#Noun|{{lang|ojp|pata}}]] | {{lang|ojp|二十}} {{lang|ojp|patati}} (20), {{lang|ojp|二十人}} {{lang|ojp|patatari}} (20 people), {{lang|ojp|二十年}} {{lang|ojp|patato₂se}} (20 years) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 50 | [[wiktionary:五十|{{lang|ojp|i}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五十日}} {{lang|ojp|ika}} (50 days) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 100 | [[wiktionary:百#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|po}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五百}} {{lang|ojp|ipo}} (500), {{lang|ojp|五百年}} {{lang|ojp|ipoto₂se}} (500 years), {{lang|ojp|五百夜}} {{lang|ojp|ipoyo₂}} (500 nights), {{lang|ojp|八百}} {{lang|ojp|yapo}} (800), {{lang|ojp|三百}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁po}} (300), {{lang|ojp|六百}} {{lang|ojp|mupo}} (600), {{lang|ojp|九百}} {{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂po}} (900) | Used for multiple hundreds in compound numerals. Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 100 | [[wiktionary:百#Noun 3|{{lang|ojp|mo₁mo₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|百日}} {{lang|ojp|mo₁mo₁ka}} (many days) | Used for non-multiple hundred and for the number "100" by itself. Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 1000 | [[wiktionary:千#Noun|{{lang|ojp|ti}}]] | {{lang|ojp|千年}} {{lang|ojp|tito₂se}} (1000 years, many years) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 10000 | [[wiktionary:万#Noun|{{lang|ojp|yo₂ro₂du}}]] | {{lang|ojp|八百万}} {{lang|ojp|yapoyo₂ro₂du}} (8000000, myriad) | Often used to mean many. |} ==Sčitanje na prstah== Japanese uses separate systems for counting for oneself and for displaying numbers to others, which both proceed up to ten. For counting, one begins with the palm open, then counts up to five by curling up (folding down) the fingers, starting from the thumb – thus one has just the thumb down (and others extended), while four has only the little finger extended, and five has a fist. One then counts up to ten by proceeding in the reverse order, extending the fingers, starting at the little finger – thus six is the same as four, seven the same as three, and so forth, with ten ending with the palm open. While this introduces ambiguity, it is not used to present to others, so this is generally not a problem. When displaying for others, one starts with the hand closed, and extends fingers, starting with the index, going to the little finger, then ending with the thumb, as in the United States. For numbers above five, one uses an open hand (indicating five) and places the appropriate number of fingers from the other hand against the palm (palms facing each other) – so six has the index finger against the palm, and so forth.<ref>{{Cite web| url = http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/aa112198.htm| title = Counting on one's fingers. About.com, Japanese Language, Namiko Abe| archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20130120143955/http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/aa112198.htm |archive-date = 2013-01-20}}</ref> To display ten, one presents both hands open and palm outwards. == Zapisyvanje cifr slovami == Since the adoption of [[Arabic numerals]], it has become more and more common for numbers to be written using them. Counters and ordinal numbers are typically written in Arabic numbers, such as {{nihongo|three people|3人|san-nin}}, {{nihongo|July, "seventh-month"|7月|shichigatsu}}, {{nihongo|age 20|20歳|hatachi}}, etc., although {{lang|ja|三人}}, {{lang|ja|七月}} and {{lang|ja|二十歳}} are also acceptable to write (albeit less common). However, numbers that are part of lexemes are typically written in kanji. For example, the term {{nihongo|'vegetable stand / grocer'|八百屋|yaoya}} translates into "800 store" and uses the Old Japanese pronunciation for 800, {{lang|ojp|ya(h)o}}. The notorious Japanese organized crime syndicate, the [[yakuza]], can be written {{lang|ja|八九三}} (or 893), a hand in {{lang|en|[[Oicho-Kabu|oicho-kabu]]}} that is worth 0 points, indicating that yakuza are "worthless persons" or "gambling persons".<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://www.sljfaq.org/afaq/yakuza.html |title=What is the origin of yakuza? |website=www.sljfaq.org |access-date=2016-03-24}}</ref> ==Zrite takože== *[[Chinese numerals]] *[[Decimal separator]] *[[Japanese counter word]] *[[Japanese people]] *[[Japanese wordplay#Numeric substitution|Japanese wordplay § Numeric substitution]] == Referencije == {{Iztočniky}} ==Vnješnje linky== <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> * {{lang|ja|[http://www.moroo.com/uzokusou/misc/suumei/suumei.html 大数の名前について]}} (na japonskom jezyku) * {{Cite web |url= http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanese.html | title = Ancient Japanese number system| archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20180829030749/http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanese.html |archive-date=2018-08-29}} * [http://www.solosequenosenada.com/gramatica/japanese/Learn_Japanese_Numbers.php English exercises for learning Japanese numerals] * [https://web.archive.org/web/20090324035049/http://www.learnjapanesewordsandphrases.com/learnjapanesenumbers.html Audio to learn the pronunciation for Japanese numbers] * [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/kanjinumbers.cgi Convert kanji numerals to arabic numerals] (sci. lang. Japan FAQ page) * [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/numbers.cgi Convert arabic numerals to kanji numerals] (sci. lang. Japan FAQ page) </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese numerals|}} [[Kategorija:Čisla]] [[Kategorija:Japonsky jezyk]] [[Kategorija:Čislovniky]] {{INTERWIKI|Q1337084}} {{Kartka osoba | name = Viktor Coj | native_name = <center>{{Jezyky|ru|Виктор Цой}}</center> | image = [[Fajl:Victor Tsoi 1986.jpg|thumb|center|Viktor Coj v lětu 1986]] | alt = | caption = | birth_name = Viktor Robertovič Coj | birth_date = {{birth date|1962|6|21|df=yes}} | birth_place = [[Sankt-Peterburg|Leningrad]], [[Rosijska Sovětska Federativna Socialističska Republika|RSFSR]], [[Sovětsky Sojuz]] | death_date = {{death date and age|1990|8|15|1962|6|21|df=yes}} | death_place = [[Latvijska Sovětska Socialističska Republika|Latvijska SSR]], Sovětsky Sojuz | death_cause = Avto avarija | resting_place = Bogoslovskoje grobišče, Sankt-Peterburg | occupation = {{Flatlist| * pěvec * avtor pěsnjej * avtor muziky * aktor * avangardny umětnik }} | years_active = 1978–1990 | spouse = {{Plainlist| * Marianna Coj, od 1984 }} | children = [[Aleksandr Coj]], rod. 1985 | module = {{Kartka muzikant|embed=yes <!-- See Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians --> | background = solo_singer <!-- mandatory format: please do not change or remove --> | instrument = {{flatlist| * [[Vokal|vokal]] * [[Gitara|gitara]] * [[Bas-gitara|bas-gitara]] }} | genre = {{Flatlist| * [[Post-punk|post-pank]] * [[New wave (muzika)|nova volna]] * [[gotičny rok]] * [[Punk|pank rok]] }} | label = {{Flatlist| * [[AnTrop]] * [[Firma Melodija|Melodija]] }} | current_member_of = {{Flatlist| * [[Kino (grupa)|Kino]] * [[Avtomatičeskije udovletvoriteli]] * [[Sergej Kurjohin]] }} }} }} Tuto jest peskovišče. [[File:Nihongo.svg|thumb|right|100px| 日本語 (Japonsky jezyk)]] '''Japonsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|ja|日本語 {{!}} にほんご}} | {{-|''Nihongo'' [nʲiho̞ŋːo̞]}}) <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> </span> == Referencije == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese language|}} [[Kategorija:Jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5287}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} 88enoelm748z7rggs49867ou8fbu66a 27934 27931 2026-07-03T08:52:56Z Ilja isv 10 /* Velike čisla */ 27934 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=July 2026}} {{-|''Under construction''}} {{nihongo|'''Japonske čislovniky'''|数詞|sūshi}} sut [[Čislovnik (lingvistika)|čislovniky]], koristane v [[Japonsky jezyk|japonskom jezyku]]. V pismennosti oni sut jednake s [[Kitajske čislovniky|kitajskymi čislovnikami]], I velike čisla slědujut kitajskomu stilju s grupovanjem po 10,000. Koristajut se dva izgovory: Sino-Japonsko čitanje ([[On'yomi|{{lang|en|on'yomi}}]]) i Japonsko čitanje {{lang|en|[[Wago|yamato kotoba]]}} (rodne slova, {{lang|en|[[kun'yomi]]}}) [[Kitajske hieroglify|kitajskyh hieroglifov]]. ==Čisla v japonskom jezyku== Sut dva sposoby, kako pisati čisla na japonskom jezyku: [[Arabske cifry|arabskymi ciframi]] (1, 2, 3) ili [[Kitajske čislovniky|kitajskymi čislovnikami]] ({{lang|zh|一}}, {{lang|zh|二}}, {{lang|zh|三}}). Arabske čisla sut vyše često koristane pri [[Horizontalno i vertikalno pisanje v Iztočno aziatskoj pismennosti|horizontalnom pisanju]], a kitajske čisla sut vyše obyčajne pri [[Horizontalno i vertikalno pisanje v Iztočno aziatskoj pismennosti|vertikalnom pisanju]]. Věčšinstvo čisel imaje dva čitanja, kako i večšinstvo [[Kanji|kandži]], to, ktoro jest izvedeno od kitajskogo čitanja, koristaje se za redne čislovniky ([[on'yomi|čitanje {{lang|en|On}}]] ) a rodno japonsko čitanje ([[kun'yomi|čitanje {{lang|en|Kun}}]]) koristaje se nemnogo menje formalno za čisla do 10. V něktoryh slučajah (privedenyh dole), jsponsko čitanje obyčno jest preferovano za vse izkoristanja. Archaične čtanja sut označene †. {| class="wikitable nounderlines" ! Čislo ! Znak ! Čitanje {{lang|en|On}} ! Čitanje {{lang|en|Kun}}<ref>{{cite book |script-title=ja:スーパー大辞林 |trans-title=Super [[Daijirin]] |language=ja |publisher=[[Sanseidō]] }}</ref> ! Prědnostno čitanje |- | align="right" | [[0]] | {{lang|ja|零}} / {{lang|ja|〇}}{{sup|*}} | {{Nihongo||れい|rei}} | {{Nihongo||まる|maru}} | {{Nihongo||ゼロ|zero}} ([[Pozajetje (lingvistika)|pozajetje]], {{lang|en|[[Loanwords in Japanese|gairaigo]]}}) |- | align="right" | [[1]] | {{lang|ja|一}} | {{Nihongo||いち|ichi}} | {{Nihongo||ひと・つ|hito(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||いち|ichi}} |- | align="right" | [[2]] | {{lang|ja|二}} | {{Nihongo||に|ni}} | {{Nihongo||ふた・つ|futa(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||に|ni}} |- | align="right" | [[3]] | {{lang|ja|三}} | {{Nihongo||さん|san}} | {{Nihongo||みっ・つ|mit(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||さん|san}} |- | align="right" | [[4]] | {{lang|ja|四}} | {{Nihongo||し|shi}} | {{lang|en|yon}}, {{Nihongo||よん、よっ・つ|yot(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||よん|yon}} |- | align="right" | [[5]] | {{lang|ja|五}} | {{Nihongo||ご|go}} | {{Nihongo||いつ・つ|itsu(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||ご|go}} |- | align="right" | [[6]] | {{lang|ja|六}} | {{Nihongo||ろく|roku}} | {{Nihongo||むっ・つ|mut(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||ろく|roku}} |- | align="right" | [[7]] | {{lang|ja|七}} | {{Nihongo||しち|shichi}} | {{Nihongo||なな・つ|nana(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||なな|nana}} |- | align="right" | [[8]] | {{lang|ja|八}} | {{Nihongo||はち|hachi}} | {{Nihongo||やっ・つ|yat(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||はち|hachi}} |- | align="right" | [[9]] | {{lang|ja|九}} | {{lang|ja|ku}}, {{Nihongo||く, きゅう|kyū}} | {{Nihongo||ここの・つ|kokono(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||きゅう|kyū}} |- | align="right" | [[10]] | {{lang|ja|十}} | {{Nihongo||じゅう|jū}} | {{Nihongo||とお|tō}} | {{Nihongo||じゅう|jū}} |- | align="right" | [[20 (number)|20]] | {{lang|ja|二十}} | {{Nihongo||にじゅう|ni-jū}} | {{Nihongo||はた|hata}}† | {{Nihongo||にじゅう|ni-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[30 (number)|30]] | {{lang|ja|三十}} | {{Nihongo||さんじゅう|san-jū}} | {{Nihongo||みそ|miso}}† | {{Nihongo||さんじゅう|san-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[40 (number)|40]] | {{lang|ja|四十}} | {{Nihongo||しじゅう|shi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||よそ|yoso}}† | {{Nihongo||よんじゅう|yon-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[50 (number)|50]] | {{lang|ja|五十}} | {{Nihongo||ごじゅう|go-jū}} | {{Nihongo||いそ|iso}}† | {{Nihongo||ごじゅう|go-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[60 (number)|60]] | {{lang|ja|六十}} | {{Nihongo||ろくじゅう|roku-jū}} | {{Nihongo||むそ|muso}}† | {{Nihongo||ろくじゅう|roku-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[70 (number)|70]] | {{lang|ja|七十}} | {{Nihongo||しちじゅう|shichi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||ななそ|nanaso}}† | {{Nihongo||ななじゅう|nana-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[80 (number)|80]] | {{lang|ja|八十}} | {{Nihongo||はちじゅう|hachi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||やそ|yaso}}† | {{Nihongo||はちじゅう|hachi-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[90 (number)|90]] | {{lang|ja|九十}} | {{Nihongo||くじゅう|ku-jū}} | {{Nihongo||ここのそ|kokonoso}}† | {{Nihongo||きゅうじゅう|kyū-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[100]] | {{lang|ja|百}} | {{Nihongo||ひゃく|hyaku}} | {{Nihongo||もも|momo}}† | {{Nihongo||ひゃく|hyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[500 (number)|500]] | {{lang|ja|五百}} | {{Nihongo||ごひゃく|go-hyaku}} | {{Nihongo||いお|io}}† | {{Nihongo||ごひゃく|go-hyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[800 (number)|800]] | {{lang|ja|八百}} | {{Nihongo||はっぴゃく|hap-pyaku}} | {{Nihongo||やお|yao}}† | {{Nihongo||はっぴゃく|hap-pyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[1000 (number)|1,000]] | {{lang|ja|千}} | {{Nihongo||せん|sen}} | {{Nihongo||ち|chi}}† | {{Nihongo||せん|sen}} |- | align="right" | [[10,000]] | {{lang|ja|万}} | {{Nihongo||まん|man}} | {{Nihongo||よろず|yorozu}}† | {{Nihongo||まん|man}} |- | align="right" | [[100,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|億}} | {{Nihongo||おく|oku}} |— | {{Nihongo||おく|oku}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)#1012|1,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|兆}} | {{Nihongo||ちょう|chō}} |— | {{Nihongo||ちょう|chō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10,000,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|京}} | {{Nihongo||けい|kei}} |— | {{Nihongo||けい|kei}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|100,000,000,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|垓}} | {{Nihongo||がい|gai}} |— | {{Nihongo||がい|gai}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10²⁴]] | {{lang|ja|𥝱}} | {{Nihongo||じょ|jo}} |— | {{Nihongo||じょ|jo}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10²⁸]] | {{lang|ja|穣}} | {{Nihongo||じょう|jō}} |— | {{Nihongo||じょう|jō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10³²]] | {{lang|ja|溝}} | {{Nihongo||こう|kō}} |— | {{Nihongo||こう|kō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10³⁶]] | {{lang|ja|澗}} | {{Nihongo||かん|kan}} |— | {{Nihongo||かん|kan}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁰]] | {{lang|ja|正}} | {{Nihongo||せい|sei}} |— | {{Nihongo||せい|sei}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁴]] | {{lang|ja|載}} | {{Nihongo||さい|sai}} |— | {{Nihongo||さい|sai}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁸]] | {{lang|ja|極}} | {{Nihongo||ごく|goku}} |— | {{Nihongo||ごく|goku}} |} <small><nowiki>*</nowiki> Imaje se takože specialno čitanje 〇 ({{-|''maru''}}), čto označaje "krugly" ili "krug". Ono može koristati se opcionalno, kogda čitajut se odděljene cifry v nomeru jedna po jednoj, vměsto vsego čisla. Polpularnym priměrim jest [[109 (trgovy dom)|znamenity magazin "109"]] v četvrti [[Shibuya|Šibuja, Tokio]], ktory čitaje se kako {{lang|en|ichi-maru-kyū}} (Kandži: {{lang|ja|一〇九}}). (On takože može čitati se kako 'deset-devet'— izgovarjaje se {{lang|en|tō-kyū}} — čto jest igra slov s nazvanjem tokijskogo trgovogo doma, ktory vladaje budynkom.) Tuto izkoristanje {{lang|en|maru}} za čislnu 0 jest podobno poněkogdomu čitanju čisla 0 v anglijskom jezyku kako {{-| ''oh''}}. Jednakože, kako čislo, jego jedino zapisyvajut kako 0 ili {{Nihongo|零|{{-|rei}}}}. Čtovyše, dva i pet igovarjajut s dolgoju samoglaskoju v telefoničnyh nomerah (napr. {{lang|ja|にい}} {{lang|en|nī}} i {{lang|ja|ごお}} {{lang|en|gō}}). Čisla poslě {{lang|en|kei}} koristajut rědko. Tym ne menje, oni sut prědstavjene tut.</small> Kako odměčaje se vyše, {{lang|en|yon}} (4) i {{lang|en|nana}} (7) sut uprědnostnjene nad {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}}. Prědpokladaje se, že tuto jest svezano s tym, že {{lang|en|shi}} jest takože čitanjem slova 死 (smrt), čto děljae jego neščestlivym čitanjem (gledite [[tetrafobija]]); dokolě {{lang|en|shichi}} može zvučati velmi slično s {{lang|en|ichi}} (1), {{lang|en|shi}} ili {{lang|en|hachi}} (8). Jednakože, v cělom redu stanovjenyh slov i rěčenij, {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}} sut stale preferovane; tako, pri sčitanju (kako v {{lang|en|"ichi, ni, san, shi,..."}}), {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}} mogut iměti prědnost. Čislo 9 takože mněvaje se nesčestlivym; kogda izgovarjaje se {{lang|en|ku}}, ono sozvučno 苦 (stradanje). Čislo 13 poněkogda mněvaje se nesčestlivym, ale jest to kalka [[Triskaidekafobia|zapadnoj tradicije]]. Naprotiv, 7 i poněkogda 8 mněvajut se sčestlivymy u japoncev.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://lingualift.com/blog/lucky-unlucky-numbers-japan/|title=The number of death: Lucky and unlucky numbers in Japan|website=The Science of Language Self-Study {{!}} LinguaLift Blog|access-date=2016-03-24}}</ref> V sovrěmennom japonskom jezyku, redne čislovniky pomimo 4 i 7 sut obyčno koristane v čitanju {{lang|en|on}}. Alternativno čitanje byvaje v nazvah měsecev, čislah dnjev v měsecu i stalyh izrazah; napriměr, april, julij, i september nazyvajut se {{lang|en|'''shi'''-gatsu}} (4. měsec), {{lang|en|'''shichi'''-gatsu}} (7. měsec), i {{lang|en|'''ku'''-gatsu}} (9. měsec). Čitanja {{lang|en|on}} takože koristajut pri prěklikanju dlja sčitanja ljudij (nap. {{lang|en|ichi-ni-san-shi}}). Večši čisla dělajut, kombinujuči tute elementy: *desetky od 20 do 90 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-jū}}" kako od {{Nihongo|二十|{{-|ni-jū}}}} do {{Nihongo|九十|{{-|kyū-jū}}}}. *sotky od 200 do 900 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-hyaku}}". *tyseče od 2000 do 9000 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-sen}}". Počinajuči od {{Nihongo|miriady|万}}, čisla začinajut se s {{Nihongo|一|{{-|ichi}}}}, jestlu ne jest prisutna ina cifra. Tako, 100 bude prosto {{Nihongo|百|{{-|hyaku}}}}, 1000 jest prosto {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}, ale 10000 uže{{Nihongo|一万|{{-|ichiman}}}}, vměsto prosto {{lang|en|man}}. (Tuto odličaje se od [[Kitajsky jezyk|kitajskogo jezyka]], kde čisla začinajut se c {{lang|zh|一}} ako ne jest druga ina cifra prěd njeju, uže od 100.) I jestli {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}neposrědnje prědhodi nazvě kolikosti [[Miriada|miriad]], prěd {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}obyčno dodavajut {{Nihongo|一|{{-|ichi}}}}, čto davaje {{Nihongo|一千|{{-|issen}}}}. Tako, 10,000,000 (bukvalno 1000,0000) obyčno čitajut kako {{Nihongo|一千万|{{-|issenman}}}}. Ale ako {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}} ''ne'' premo prědhodi kolikosti myriad, dodavanje {{Nihongo|一|ichi}}jest opcionalno. Tako, 15,000,000 (1500,0000) čitaje se kako {{Nihongo|千五百万|sengohyakuman}} ili {{Nihongo|一千五百万|issengohyakuman}}, ravno i kako 1500 čitaje se {{Nihongo|千五百|sengohyaku}}ili {{Nihongo|一千五百|issengohyaku}}. Sut i něktore fonetične modifikacije v ozvučanju něktoryh velikyh čisel, [[Oglasovanje i obezglasovanje suglasok|oglasovanje]] ili [[gemacija]] něktoryh suglasok, kako to često byvaje v japonskom jezyku (napr. {{lang|en|[[rendaku]]}}): napr. {{lang|en|roku}} "šest" i {{lang|en|hyaku}} "sto" dělajut {{lang|en|roppyaku}} "šestsot". {| class="wikitable" ! × !! 1 !! 2 !! 3 !! 4 !! 5 !! 6 !! 7 !! 8 !! 9 !! 10 !! 100 !! 1000 |- | align="right" | 100 | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hyaku, ippyaku}} | {{lang|en|nihyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sanbyaku}} | {{lang|en|yonhyaku}} | {{lang|en|gohyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|roppyaku}} | {{lang|en|nanahyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|happyaku}} | {{lang|en|kyūhyaku}} |— |— |— |- | align="right" | 1,000 | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sen, issen}} | {{lang|en|nisen}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sanzen}} | {{lang|en|yonsen}} | {{lang|en|gosen}} | {{lang|en|rokusen}} | {{lang|en|nanasen}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hassen}} | {{lang|en|kyūsen}} | — | — | — |- | align="right" | 10{{sup|12}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|itchō}} | {{lang|en|nichō}} | {{lang|en|sanchō}} | {{lang|en|yonchō}} | {{lang|en|gochō}} | {{lang|en|rokuchō}} | {{lang|en|nanachō}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hatchō}} | {{lang|en|kyūchō}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|jutchō}}* | {{lang|en|hyakuchō}} | {{lang|en|issenchō}} |- | align="right" | 10{{sup|16}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|ikkei}} | {{lang|en|nikei}} | {{lang|en|sankei}} | {{lang|en|yonkei}} | {{lang|en|gokei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|rokkei}} | {{lang|en|nanakei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hakkei}} | {{lang|en|kyūkei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|jukkei}}* | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hyakkei}}** | {{lang|en|issenkei}} |} <small><nowiki>*</nowiki> Takože priměnjaje se k kratnym 10. Koncovka měnjaje se od {{lang|en|-jū}} na {{lang|en|-jutchō}} ili {{lang|en|-jukkei}}.<br /><nowiki>**</nowiki> Takože priměnjaje se k kratnym 100. Koncovka {{lang|en|-ku}} měnjaje se na {{lang|en|-kkei}}.</small> V čislah nad 10, elementy sut soredjene, i ne koristajut se nuly. Japonske čislovniky imajut ne pozicijnu, a multiplikativno-aditivnu sistemu; da by napisati čislo 20, trěba napisati simbol {{Nihongo|"dva"|二}}, a potom simbol {{Nihongo|"deset"|十}}, da by polučiti dvě desetky ili {{Nihongo|"dvadeset"|二十}}. {| class="wikitable" ! Čislo !! Znaky !! Čitanje !Značenje |- | align="right" | 11 || {{lang|ja|十一}} || {{lang|en|jū ichi}} |deset i jedno |- | align="right" | 17 || {{lang|ja|十七}} || {{lang|en|jū nana, jū shichi}} |deset i sedm |- | align="right" | 151 || {{lang|ja|百五十一}} || {{lang|en|hyaku go-jū ichi}} |sto, pet desetok i jedno |- | align="right" | 302 || {{lang|ja|三百二}} || {{lang|en|san-byaku ni}} |tri sta i dva |- | align="right" | 469 || {{lang|ja|四百六十九}} || {{lang|en|yon-hyaku roku-jū kyū}} |četyri, šest desetok i devet |- | align="right" | 2025 || {{lang|ja|二千二十五}} || {{lang|en|ni-sen ni-jū go}} |dva tyseče, dvě desetky i pet |} ===Čislne redky i desetične čisla=== Japonske cifry od 1 do 9 obyčno se koristajut izolovano. Redky cifr imajut slegka inako čitanje s prodolženymi samoglaskami za 2 (''nī'') i 5 (''gō''), i menje često, 4 (''shī'') i 9 (''kū''). Tako dělajut zato, že kogda prěčisljajut cifry, ako možno, oni muset byti v grupah po dvě, každa iz njih musi sostojeti točno iz četyreh [[Mora (lingvistika)|mor]], čto dělaje neobhodnym prodolženje obyčno jednomornyh cifr kako ''ni'', ''go'', ''shi'' and ''ku''.<ref name=nhk-2005-2>{{cite web|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250622082124/https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20250601_1.html|url=https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20250601_1.html|archive-date=22 June 2025|lang=ja|script-title=ja:語の読み方（語形）について数字の読み方～小数の読み方～|work=NHK Bunken|publisher=NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute|last=Yamashita|first=Yōko|last2=Fujii|first2=Madoka|date=28 February 2025|access-date=23 September 2025|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250622082259/https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20180501_4.html|url=https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20180501_4.html|archive-date=22 June 2025|date=1 May 2018|lang=ja|script-title=ja:数詞の発音とアクセント|work=NHK Bunken|publisher=NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute|last=Sakurai|first=Shigeharu|last2=Akinaga|first2=Kazue|access-date=23 September 2025|url-status=live}}</ref> Napiměr, taky redok kako '''5'''4'''2'''62 se izgovarjaje {{-|'''''gō'''-yon '''nī'''-roku ni''}}, kde prve dvě grupy sut kvadrimoraične. [[Japonsko tonalno udarjenje|Udarjenje]] pri tom padaje prědposlědnju moru kažfoj grupy, ako li to jest možlivo, odsud {{-|[ɡoː jóɴ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲiː ɾókɯ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲí]}}.<ref name=hirayama-1961>{{cite book|lang=ja|script-title=ja:全国アクセント辞典|first=Teruo|last=Hirayama|publisher=Tōkyōdō|date=25 December 1961|p=897}}</ref> Tuto pravilo takože priměnjaje se k poslědnoj cifrě celoj česti čisla i ko vsim cifram desetičnoj česti desetičnogo čisla.<ref name=nhk-2005-2/><ref name=hirayama-1961/> Napriměr, tako desetično čislo kako 25'''2'''.'''25'''5 se izgovarjaje {{-|''nihyaku gojū '''nī'''-ten '''nī-gō''' go''}} {{-|[ɲiçjakɯ́ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɡodʑɯ́ː <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲíː teɴ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲiː ɡóː <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɡó]}}, kde ''ten'' označaje "točka". ===Druge tipy čisel=== V japonskyh [[Ordinalny čislovnik|ordinalnyh čislovnikah]] koristajut modifikaciju uměstnyh sčetnyh slov, sistema ktoryh v japonskom jezyku jest dosti [[Japonske sčetne slova|komplikovana]]. Da by prěvratiti sčetno slovo (sčislovnik) v ordinalny čislovnik, ktory označaje poziciju v redu, na koncu sčislovnika dodavajut {{lang|ja|目}} {{lang|en|me}}. Tako "jedin raz" bude prěkladati se kako {{lang|ja|一回}} {{lang|en|ikkai}}, a "prvy raz" bude se prěkladati {{lang|ja|一回目}} {{lang|en|ikkaime}}. Tuto pravilo jest ale nedoslědno, ako sčislovniky bez sufiksa {{translit|ja|me}} često koristajut i v ordinalnom, i v [[Kardinalny čislovnik|kardinalnom]] smyslah. Napriměr, {{lang|ja|三階}} {{translit|ja|sangai}} može označati kako "tri etaže", tako i "tretji etaž." [[Distributivny čislovnik|Distributivne čislovniky]] obyčno stvarjajut iz kardinalnogo čislovnika, sčetnogo slova i sufiksa {{Nihongo|{{-|''-zutsu''}}|ずつ|}}, napriklad {{Nihongo|{{-|''hitori-zutsu''}}|一人ずつ|po jednoj osobě za raz, po-jedno}}. == Stupnje 10 == === Velike čisla === Vslěd kitajskoj tradiciji, velike čisla se stvarjajut grupovanjem cifr v [[Miriada|miriady]] (10,000), na razliku od zapadnyh tyseč(1,000) <div class="overflowbugx" style="overflow-x:auto;"> {| class="wikitable" !align="left"|Red |10{{sup|4}} |10{{sup|8}} |10{{sup|12}} |10{{sup|16}} |10{{sup|20}} |10{{sup|24}} |10{{sup|28}} |10{{sup|32}} |10{{sup|36}} |10{{sup|40}} |10{{sup|44}} |10{{sup|48}} |10{{sup|52}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(ili 10{{sup|56}})}}</small> |10{{sup|56}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(ili 10{{sup|64}})}}</small> |10{{sup|60}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|72}})}}</small> |10{{sup|64}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|80}})}}</small> |10{{sup|68}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|88}})}}</small> |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|万}} |{{lang|ja|億}} |{{lang|ja|兆}} |{{lang|ja|京}} |{{lang|ja|垓}} |{{lang|ja|𥝱}}, {{lang|ja|秭}} |{{lang|ja|穣}} |{{lang|ja|溝}} |{{lang|ja|澗}} |{{lang|ja|正}} |{{lang|ja|載}} |{{lang|ja|極}} |{{lang|ja|恒河沙}} |{{lang|ja|阿僧祇}} |{{lang|ja|那由他}}, {{lang|ja|那由多}} |{{lang|ja|不可思議}} |{{lang|ja|無量大数}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|en|man}} |{{lang|en|oku}} |{{lang|en|chō}} |{{lang|en|kei}} |{{lang|en|gai}} |{{lang|en|jo}}, {{lang|en|shi}} |{{lang|en|jō}} |{{lang|en|kō}} |{{lang|en|kan}} |{{lang|en|sei}} |{{lang|en|sai}} |{{lang|en|goku}} |{{lang|en|gōgasha}} |{{lang|en|asōgi}} |{{lang|en|nayuta}} |{{lang|en|fukashigi}} |{{lang|en|muryōtaisū}} |}</div> Razhoděnja sut iz-za {{Nihongo|{{-|[[Jinkōki]]}}|塵劫記|}}, najstaršego matematičnogo teksta Japonije. Originalno izdavanje bylo opublikovano v lětu 1627 i imělo mnogo grěšek, věčšinstvo ktoryh bylo izpravjeno v izdavanju 1631 goda. V lětu 1634 izšlo ješče jedno izdavanje, kde opet bylo izměnjeno několiko veličin. Vyše uvedeno razhodženje jest obuslovjeno nesuglasnostju dvoh poslědnjih izdavanij. Sut razne znaky za 10{{sup|24}} (to jest {{lang|ja|秭}} v kitajskom jezyku tutčas), i po 10{{sup|48}} oni odličajut se tym, že prodolžajut s povyšenjem faktora 10{{sup|4}} ili prěključajut se na faktor 10{{sup|8}}. Ako koristaje se faktor 10{{sup|8}}, medžuintervalne koeficienty 10{{sup|4}} zakryvajut s pomočju {{Nihongo|万|man}}. Nastoječe izdavanje {{lang|en|Jinkōki}}, 11-to, slěduje faktoru 10{{sup|4}} črez cělu sistemu, hoti něktori ljudi ješče koristajut veličiny iz 8-go izdavanja daže tutčas. Poslědnje tri čisla s mnogoslogovymi nazvanjami i razhodženjem veličin v koncu koncev izvodet se iz Indije, hoti tam oni ne iměli oprědeljennyh veličin. {{Nihongo|恒河沙|''gōgasha''}} prvonačelno koristalo se v budističskyh traktatah za označevanje bezměrno ogromnogo; ono proizhodi iz [[Sanskrit|sanskritskogo]] {{lang|sa|गङ्गा}} {{lang|en|gangā}} '[[Ganges|Ganga]]' (čto udobno vključaje znaky {{Nihongo|'rěka'|河|ka}} i {{Nihongo|'pěsok'|沙|sha}}, odsylajuči k neizčislimomu množstvu čestic pěska na rěkě Ganga. {{Nihongo|阿僧祇|''asōgi''|}}, od sanskritnogo {{lang|sa|असंख्येय}} {{lang|en|asaṃkhyeya}} 'neizčisljimy/bezčislny', s negativnym prefiksom {{Nihongo|阿|''a''|}}, i {{Nihongo|那由他|''nayuta''}} od sanskritnogo {{lang|sa|नयुत/नयुतः}} {{lang|en|nayuta(ḥ)}}. Dalje, cifry sut terminami iz [[Budizm|Budizma]], prěvedene na kitajsky ili iztvorjene na njem, ktorym pozdněje pridělali čislne značenja: {{Nihongo|'nevoobrazimy'|不可思議|fukashigi}} i {{Nihongo|'bezměrno veliko čislo'|無量大数|muryōtaisū}}. Priměry: ''(razděljenje na grupy iz četyreh cifr jest privedeno samo za cěljem lěpšego objasnjenja)'' *1 0000 : {{Nihongo|一万|ichi-man}} *983 6703 : {{Nihongo|九百八十三万 六千七百三|kyū-hyaku hachi-jū san-man, roku-sen nana-hyaku san}} *20 3652 1801 : {{Nihongo|二十億 三千六百五十二万 千八百一|ni-jū oku, san-zen rop-pyaku go-jū ni-man, sen hap-pyaku ichi}} Jednakože, Čisla, napisane arabskymi ciframi, razděljaut na grupy po tri cifry, kako to jest prijeto v anglogovorečih državah. Pri koristanju arabskyh cifr i kandži razom, zapadny sposob zapisu može se koristati za čisla menše 10,000 (napr. {{lang|ja|2,500万}} za 25,000,000). In Japanese, when long numbers are written out in kanji, zeros are omitted for all powers of ten. Hence 4002 is {{lang|ja|四千二}} (in contrast, Chinese requires the use of {{lang|zh|零}} wherever a zero appears, e.g. {{lang|zh|四千零二}} for 4002). However, when reading out a statement of accounts, for example, the skipped digit or digits are sometimes indicated by {{Nihongo|飛び|tobi}} or {{Nihongo|飛んで|tonde}}): e.g. {{lang|ja|yon-sen '''tobi''' ni}} or {{lang|en|yon-sen '''tonde''' ni}} instead of the normal {{lang|en|yon-sen ni}}. === Drobne čisla === Japanese has two systems of numerals for decimal fractions. They are no longer in general use, but are still used in some instances such as batting and fielding averages of baseball players, winning percentages for sports teams, and in some idiomatic phrases such as 五分五分の勝負 ({{-|''gobugobu no shōbu''}}, 'fifty-fifty chance'}}, and when representing a rate or discount. The {{lang|en|bu}} fractions are also used when talking about fevers—for example {{Nihongo|九度二分|kudonibu}} for 9 and two parts—referring to the temperature 39.2°C. One system is as follows: {| class="wikitable" !align=left|Red |10{{sup|−1}} |10{{sup|−2}} |10{{sup|−3}} |10{{sup|−4}} |10{{sup|−5}} |10{{sup|−6}} |10{{sup|−7}} |10{{sup|−8}} |10{{sup|−9}} |10{{sup|−10}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|分}} |{{lang|ja|厘}} |{{lang|ja|毛}} |{{lang|ja|糸}} |{{lang|ja|忽}} |{{lang|ja|微}} |{{lang|ja|繊}} |{{lang|ja|沙}} |{{lang|ja|塵}} |{{lang|ja|埃}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|jen|bu}} |{{lang|en|rin}} |{{lang|en|mō}} |{{lang|en|shi}} |{{lang|en|kotsu}} |{{lang|en|bi}} |{{lang|en|sen}} |{{lang|en|sha}} |{{lang|en|jin}} |{{lang|en|ai}} |} This is the system used with the traditional [[Japanese units of measurement]]. Several of the names are used "as is" to represent a fraction of a [[cun (unit)|{{lang|en|sun}}]]. The other system of representing these decimal fractions of rate or discount uses a system "shifted down" with a {{lang|ja|bu}} becoming a "one hundredth" and so on, and the unit for "tenth" becoming {{lang|ja|wari}}: {| class="wikitable" !align=left|Red |10{{sup|−1}} |10{{sup|−2}} |10{{sup|−3}} |10{{sup|−4}} |10{{sup|−5}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|割}} |{{lang|ja|分}} |{{lang|ja|厘}} |{{lang|ja|毛}} |{{lang|ja|糸}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|en|wari}} |{{lang|en|bu}} |{{lang|en|rin}} |{{lang|en|mō}} |{{lang|en|shi}} |} This is often used with prices. For example: *{{Nihongo|一割五分引き|ichi-wari go-bu biki}}: 15% discount *{{Nihongo|打率三割八分九厘|daritsu san-wari hachi-bu kyū-rin}}: batting average .389 With the exception of {{lang|ja|wari}}, these are rarely seen in modern usage. Decimal fractions are typically written with either kanji numerals (vertically) or Arabic numerals (horizontally), preceded by a decimal point, and are read as successive digits, as in Western convention. Note that, in written form, they can be combined with either the traditional system of expressing numerals (42.195 kilometers: {{lang|ja|四十二・一九五 キロメートル}}), in which powers of ten are written, or with the place value system, which uses zero (50.04 percent: {{lang|ja|五〇・〇四 パーセント.}}) In both cases, however, the reading follows the traditional system ({{lang|ja|yon-jū ni-ten ichi-kyū go kiromētoru}} for 42.195 kilometers; {{lang|ja|go ju-tten rei-yon pāsento}} for 50.04 percent.) == В именах == Существуют имена {{нихонго|[[Millennium Actress|Тиёко]]|千代子||дословно «тысяча лет» (женское)}}, {{нихонго|Тидзуру|千鶴||дословно «тысяча [[Японский журавль|журавлей]]» (женское)}}, {{нихонго|Тикао|千禾夫||дословно «муж — тысяча колосьев»}}, фамилия {{нихонго|Титака|千鷹||дословно «тысяча соколов»}}. Одна из японских префектур называется {{нихонго|[[Тиба (префектура)|Тиба]]|千葉||дословно «тысяча листьев»}}. В [[аниме]] «[[Унесённые призраками]]» обыгрывается неоднозначность прочтения иероглифа 千 — «сэн» или «ти»: имя главной героини — {{нихонго|Тихиро|千尋||дословно «тысяча [[Японская система мер#Меры длины|хиро]]», «бездонная глубина»}}; колдунья «забирает» имя у Тихиро, оставляя ей только один иероглиф и меняя его прочтение. Отныне Тихиро зовётся {{нихонго|Сэн|千||тысяча}}. Кроме того, есть последовательность мужских имён, которыми называют детей по порядку рождения: # {{нихонго|Итиро|一郎|итиро:|первый сын}}, # {{нихонго|Дзиро|二郎|дзиро:|второй сын}}, # {{нихонго|Сабуро|三郎|сабуро:}}, # {{нихонго|Сиро|四郎|сиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Горо|五郎|горо:}}, # {{нихонго|Рокуро|六郎|рокуро:}}, # {{нихонго|Ситиро|七郎|ситиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Хатиро|八郎|хатиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Куро|九郎|куро:}}, # {{нихонго|Дзюро|十郎|дзю:ро:}}, # {{нихонго|Тоитиро|十一郎|тоитиро:}} или {{нихонго|Дзюитиро|十一郎|дзю:итиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Дзюдзиро|十二郎|дзю:дзиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Тосабуро|十三郎|тосабуро:}} или {{нихонго|Дзюсабуро|十三郎|дзю:сабуро:}}. После [[Вторая мировая война|Второй мировой войны]] имена «больше» Сабуро почти вышли из употребления. Кроме указанных имён есть даже {{нихонго|Дзюсиро|十四郎|дзю:сиро:|четырнадцатый сын}} и {{нихонго|Хякуро|百郎|хякуро:|сотый сын}}: их, кроме прочих, носят актёр [[Кабуки]] [[Коноэ, Дзюсиро|Дзюсиро Коноэ]] (近衛 十四郎) и [[мангака]] [[Мурасаки, Хякуро|Хякуро Мурасаки]] (村崎 百郎). == Formalne čislovniky == [[File:Shoe Boxes (743286602).jpg|thumb|{{lang|en|[[Getabako]]}}]] As with Chinese numerals, there exists in Japanese a separate set of kanji for numerals called {{Nihongo||大字|'''daiji'''}} used in legal and financial documents to prevent unscrupulous individuals from adding a stroke or two, turning a one into a two or a three. The formal numbers are identical to the [[Chinese financial numerals|Chinese formal numbers]] except for minor stroke variations. Today, the numbers for one, two, three, and ten are written only in their formal form in legal documents (the numbers 4 to 9 as well as 100, 1000 and 10000 are written identically to the common ones, cf. table below).<ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:大正十一年大蔵省令第四十三号 (会計法規ニ基ク出納計算ノ数字及記載事項ノ訂正ニ関スル件) |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/T11/T11F03401000043.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023833/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/T11/T11F03401000043.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『第一条: 会計法規ニ基ク出納計算ニ関スル諸書類帳簿ニ記載スル金額其ノ他ノ数量ニシテ「一」、「二」、「三」、「十」、「廿」、「卅」ノ数字ハ「壱」、「弐」、「参」、「拾」、「弐拾」、「参拾」ノ字体ヲ用ユヘシ但横書ヲ為ストキハ「アラビア」数字ヲ用ユルコトヲ得』}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:戸籍法施行規則 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S22/S22F00501000094.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023839/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S22/S22F00501000094.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:「第三十一条 2: 年月日を記載するには、壱、弐、参、拾の文字を用いなければならない。」}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:小切手振出等事務取扱規程 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S26/S26F03401000020.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023849/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S26/S26F03401000020.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『附則 (昭和四〇年四月一日大蔵省令第二〇号) 2: 小切手の券面金額は、当分の間、所定の金額記載欄に、漢数字により表示することができる。この場合においては、「一」、「二」、「三」及び「十」の字体は、それぞれ「壱」、「弐」、「参」及び「拾」の漢字を用い、かつ、所定の金額記載欄の上方余白に当該金額記載欄に記載の金額と同額をアラビア数字で副記しなければならない。』}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:商業登記規則 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S39/S39F03201000023.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20090202084605/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S39/S39F03201000023.html |archive-date=2009-02-02 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『第四十八条 2: 金銭その他の物の数量、年月日及び番号を記載するには、「壱、弐、参、拾」の文字を用いなければならない。ただし、横書きをするときは、アラビヤ数字を用いることができる。』}}</ref> These numbers' common forms can be changed to a higher value by adding strokes (1 and 2 were explained above, while 3 can be changed to 5, and 10 to 1000). In some cases, the digit 1 is explicitly written like {{lang|ja|壱百壱拾}} for 110, as opposed to {{lang|ja|百十}} in common writing. Formal numbers: {| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center" ! rowspan="2" | Number ! rowspan="2" | Common ! colspan="2" | Formal |- ! In use !! Obsolete |- | align="right" | 1 || {{lang|ja|一}} || {{lang|ja|壱}} || {{lang|ja|壹}} |- | align="right" | 2 || {{lang|ja|二}} || {{lang|ja|弐}} || {{lang|ja|貳}} |- | align="right" | 3 || {{lang|ja|三}} || {{lang|ja|参}} || {{lang|ja|參}} |- | align="right" | 4 || {{lang|ja|四}} || {{lang|ja|四}} || {{lang|ja|肆}} |- | align="right" | 5 || {{lang|ja|五}} || {{lang|ja|五}} || {{lang|ja|伍}} |- | align="right" | 6 || {{lang|ja|六}} || {{lang|ja|六}} || {{lang|ja|陸}} |- | align="right" | 7 || {{lang|ja|七}} || {{lang|ja|七}} || {{lang|ja|柒}}, {{lang|ja|漆}} |- | align="right" | 8 || {{lang|ja|八}} || {{lang|ja|八}} || {{lang|ja|捌}} |- | align="right" | 9 || {{lang|ja|九}} || {{lang|ja|九}} || {{lang|ja|玖}} |- | align="right" | 10 || {{lang|ja|十}} || {{lang|ja|拾}} || {{lang|ja|拾}} |- | align="right" | 100 || {{lang|ja|百}} || {{lang|ja|百}} || {{lang|ja|佰}} |- | align="right" | 1000 || {{lang|ja|千}} || {{lang|ja|千}} || {{lang|ja|阡}}, {{lang|ja|仟}} |- | align="right" | 10000 || {{lang|ja|万}} || {{lang|ja|万}}, {{lang|ja|萬}} || {{lang|ja|萬}} |} The four current [[banknotes of the Japanese yen]], 1000-yen, 2000-yen, 5000-yen, and 10000-yen, have formal numbers {{lang|ja|千}}, {{lang|ja|弐千}}, {{lang|ja|五千}}, and {{lang|ja|壱万}}, respectively. ==V starojaponskom jezyku== [[Old Japanese]] shares some vocabulary with later periods, but there are also unique number terms over 10 which are not used any more, aside from being parts of specific [[lexeme]]s. Notes: * The transcription is based on the [[phoneme]] and is not [[phonetics|phonetic]]. See [[Old Japanese]] for further information. * See {{lang|ja|[[Jōdai Tokushu Kanazukai]]}} for information on subscript notation. <!--NOTE: Please do NOT change /h/ to /p/. The transcription is phonemic, not phonetic. While it must have been [p] at some time in the past, during the Old Japanese period it was [ɸ]. --> {| class="wikitable" ! Čislo ! Izgovor ! Priklady ! Primětky |- | align="right" | 1 | [[wiktionary:一#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|一日}} {{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂pi₁}} (1 day), {{lang|ojp|一年}} {{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂to₂se}} (1 year) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 2 | [[wiktionary:二#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|futa}}]] | {{lang|ojp|二夜}} {{lang|ojp|futayo₂}} (2 nights) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 3 | [[wiktionary:三#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|mi₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|三十}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁so₁}} (30) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 4 | [[wiktionary:四#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|yo₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|四十}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂so₁}} (40), {{lang|ojp|四人}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂tari}} (4 people) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 5 | [[wiktionary:五#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|itu}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五年}} {{lang|ojp|ituto₂se}} (5 years) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 6 | [[wiktionary:六#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|mu}}]] | {{lang|ojp|六爪}} {{lang|ojp|mutuma}} (6 claws) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 7 | [[wiktionary:七#Noun|{{lang|ojp|nana}}]] | {{lang|ojp|七瀬}} {{lang|ojp|nanase}} (many rapids) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 8 | [[wiktionary:八#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|ya}}]] | {{lang|ojp|八雲}} {{lang|ojp|yakumo₁}} (many clouds) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 9 | [[wiktionary:九#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|九柱}} {{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂pasira}} (9 nobles / gods) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 10 | [[wiktionary:十#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|to₂}}]] / [[wiktionary:十#Noun 3|{{lang|ojp|to₂wo}}]] | {{lang|ojp|十日}} {{lang|ojp|to₂woka}} (10 days) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 10 | [[wiktionary:十#Noun|{{lang|ojp|so₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|三十}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁so₁}} (30), {{lang|ojp|四十}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂so₁}} (40), {{lang|ojp|六十}} {{lang|ojp|muso₁}} (60), {{lang|ojp|八十}} {{lang|ojp|yaso₁}} (80) | Found only in compound words; not used alone. |- | align="right" | 20 | [[wiktionary:二十#Noun|{{lang|ojp|pata}}]] | {{lang|ojp|二十}} {{lang|ojp|patati}} (20), {{lang|ojp|二十人}} {{lang|ojp|patatari}} (20 people), {{lang|ojp|二十年}} {{lang|ojp|patato₂se}} (20 years) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 50 | [[wiktionary:五十|{{lang|ojp|i}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五十日}} {{lang|ojp|ika}} (50 days) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 100 | [[wiktionary:百#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|po}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五百}} {{lang|ojp|ipo}} (500), {{lang|ojp|五百年}} {{lang|ojp|ipoto₂se}} (500 years), {{lang|ojp|五百夜}} {{lang|ojp|ipoyo₂}} (500 nights), {{lang|ojp|八百}} {{lang|ojp|yapo}} (800), {{lang|ojp|三百}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁po}} (300), {{lang|ojp|六百}} {{lang|ojp|mupo}} (600), {{lang|ojp|九百}} {{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂po}} (900) | Used for multiple hundreds in compound numerals. Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 100 | [[wiktionary:百#Noun 3|{{lang|ojp|mo₁mo₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|百日}} {{lang|ojp|mo₁mo₁ka}} (many days) | Used for non-multiple hundred and for the number "100" by itself. Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 1000 | [[wiktionary:千#Noun|{{lang|ojp|ti}}]] | {{lang|ojp|千年}} {{lang|ojp|tito₂se}} (1000 years, many years) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 10000 | [[wiktionary:万#Noun|{{lang|ojp|yo₂ro₂du}}]] | {{lang|ojp|八百万}} {{lang|ojp|yapoyo₂ro₂du}} (8000000, myriad) | Often used to mean many. |} ==Sčitanje na prstah== Japanese uses separate systems for counting for oneself and for displaying numbers to others, which both proceed up to ten. For counting, one begins with the palm open, then counts up to five by curling up (folding down) the fingers, starting from the thumb – thus one has just the thumb down (and others extended), while four has only the little finger extended, and five has a fist. One then counts up to ten by proceeding in the reverse order, extending the fingers, starting at the little finger – thus six is the same as four, seven the same as three, and so forth, with ten ending with the palm open. While this introduces ambiguity, it is not used to present to others, so this is generally not a problem. When displaying for others, one starts with the hand closed, and extends fingers, starting with the index, going to the little finger, then ending with the thumb, as in the United States. For numbers above five, one uses an open hand (indicating five) and places the appropriate number of fingers from the other hand against the palm (palms facing each other) – so six has the index finger against the palm, and so forth.<ref>{{Cite web| url = http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/aa112198.htm| title = Counting on one's fingers. About.com, Japanese Language, Namiko Abe| archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20130120143955/http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/aa112198.htm |archive-date = 2013-01-20}}</ref> To display ten, one presents both hands open and palm outwards. == Zapisyvanje cifr slovami == Since the adoption of [[Arabic numerals]], it has become more and more common for numbers to be written using them. Counters and ordinal numbers are typically written in Arabic numbers, such as {{nihongo|three people|3人|san-nin}}, {{nihongo|July, "seventh-month"|7月|shichigatsu}}, {{nihongo|age 20|20歳|hatachi}}, etc., although {{lang|ja|三人}}, {{lang|ja|七月}} and {{lang|ja|二十歳}} are also acceptable to write (albeit less common). However, numbers that are part of lexemes are typically written in kanji. For example, the term {{nihongo|'vegetable stand / grocer'|八百屋|yaoya}} translates into "800 store" and uses the Old Japanese pronunciation for 800, {{lang|ojp|ya(h)o}}. The notorious Japanese organized crime syndicate, the [[yakuza]], can be written {{lang|ja|八九三}} (or 893), a hand in {{lang|en|[[Oicho-Kabu|oicho-kabu]]}} that is worth 0 points, indicating that yakuza are "worthless persons" or "gambling persons".<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://www.sljfaq.org/afaq/yakuza.html |title=What is the origin of yakuza? |website=www.sljfaq.org |access-date=2016-03-24}}</ref> ==Zrite takože== *[[Chinese numerals]] *[[Decimal separator]] *[[Japanese counter word]] *[[Japanese people]] *[[Japanese wordplay#Numeric substitution|Japanese wordplay § Numeric substitution]] == Referencije == {{Iztočniky}} ==Vnješnje linky== <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> * {{lang|ja|[http://www.moroo.com/uzokusou/misc/suumei/suumei.html 大数の名前について]}} (na japonskom jezyku) * {{Cite web |url= http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanese.html | title = Ancient Japanese number system| archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20180829030749/http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanese.html |archive-date=2018-08-29}} * [http://www.solosequenosenada.com/gramatica/japanese/Learn_Japanese_Numbers.php English exercises for learning Japanese numerals] * [https://web.archive.org/web/20090324035049/http://www.learnjapanesewordsandphrases.com/learnjapanesenumbers.html Audio to learn the pronunciation for Japanese numbers] * [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/kanjinumbers.cgi Convert kanji numerals to arabic numerals] (sci. lang. Japan FAQ page) * [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/numbers.cgi Convert arabic numerals to kanji numerals] (sci. lang. Japan FAQ page) </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese numerals|}} [[Kategorija:Čisla]] [[Kategorija:Japonsky jezyk]] [[Kategorija:Čislovniky]] {{INTERWIKI|Q1337084}} {{Kartka osoba | name = Viktor Coj | native_name = <center>{{Jezyky|ru|Виктор Цой}}</center> | image = [[Fajl:Victor Tsoi 1986.jpg|thumb|center|Viktor Coj v lětu 1986]] | alt = | caption = | birth_name = Viktor Robertovič Coj | birth_date = {{birth date|1962|6|21|df=yes}} | birth_place = [[Sankt-Peterburg|Leningrad]], [[Rosijska Sovětska Federativna Socialističska Republika|RSFSR]], [[Sovětsky Sojuz]] | death_date = {{death date and age|1990|8|15|1962|6|21|df=yes}} | death_place = [[Latvijska Sovětska Socialističska Republika|Latvijska SSR]], Sovětsky Sojuz | death_cause = Avto avarija | resting_place = Bogoslovskoje grobišče, Sankt-Peterburg | occupation = {{Flatlist| * pěvec * avtor pěsnjej * avtor muziky * aktor * avangardny umětnik }} | years_active = 1978–1990 | spouse = {{Plainlist| * Marianna Coj, od 1984 }} | children = [[Aleksandr Coj]], rod. 1985 | module = {{Kartka muzikant|embed=yes <!-- See Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians --> | background = solo_singer <!-- mandatory format: please do not change or remove --> | instrument = {{flatlist| * [[Vokal|vokal]] * [[Gitara|gitara]] * [[Bas-gitara|bas-gitara]] }} | genre = {{Flatlist| * [[Post-punk|post-pank]] * [[New wave (muzika)|nova volna]] * [[gotičny rok]] * [[Punk|pank rok]] }} | label = {{Flatlist| * [[AnTrop]] * [[Firma Melodija|Melodija]] }} | current_member_of = {{Flatlist| * [[Kino (grupa)|Kino]] * [[Avtomatičeskije udovletvoriteli]] * [[Sergej Kurjohin]] }} }} }} Tuto jest peskovišče. [[File:Nihongo.svg|thumb|right|100px| 日本語 (Japonsky jezyk)]] '''Japonsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|ja|日本語 {{!}} にほんご}} | {{-|''Nihongo'' [nʲiho̞ŋːo̞]}}) <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> </span> == Referencije == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese language|}} [[Kategorija:Jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5287}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} rtn6xsja10zim9199vc49g0jan1394k 27935 27934 2026-07-03T09:17:02Z Ilja isv 10 /* Velike čisla */ 27935 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=July 2026}} {{-|''Under construction''}} {{nihongo|'''Japonske čislovniky'''|数詞|sūshi}} sut [[Čislovnik (lingvistika)|čislovniky]], koristane v [[Japonsky jezyk|japonskom jezyku]]. V pismennosti oni sut jednake s [[Kitajske čislovniky|kitajskymi čislovnikami]], I velike čisla slědujut kitajskomu stilju s grupovanjem po 10,000. Koristajut se dva izgovory: Sino-Japonsko čitanje ([[On'yomi|{{lang|en|on'yomi}}]]) i Japonsko čitanje {{lang|en|[[Wago|yamato kotoba]]}} (rodne slova, {{lang|en|[[kun'yomi]]}}) [[Kitajske hieroglify|kitajskyh hieroglifov]]. ==Čisla v japonskom jezyku== Sut dva sposoby, kako pisati čisla na japonskom jezyku: [[Arabske cifry|arabskymi ciframi]] (1, 2, 3) ili [[Kitajske čislovniky|kitajskymi čislovnikami]] ({{lang|zh|一}}, {{lang|zh|二}}, {{lang|zh|三}}). Arabske čisla sut vyše često koristane pri [[Horizontalno i vertikalno pisanje v Iztočno aziatskoj pismennosti|horizontalnom pisanju]], a kitajske čisla sut vyše obyčajne pri [[Horizontalno i vertikalno pisanje v Iztočno aziatskoj pismennosti|vertikalnom pisanju]]. Věčšinstvo čisel imaje dva čitanja, kako i večšinstvo [[Kanji|kandži]], to, ktoro jest izvedeno od kitajskogo čitanja, koristaje se za redne čislovniky ([[on'yomi|čitanje {{lang|en|On}}]] ) a rodno japonsko čitanje ([[kun'yomi|čitanje {{lang|en|Kun}}]]) koristaje se nemnogo menje formalno za čisla do 10. V něktoryh slučajah (privedenyh dole), jsponsko čitanje obyčno jest preferovano za vse izkoristanja. Archaične čtanja sut označene †. {| class="wikitable nounderlines" ! Čislo ! Znak ! Čitanje {{lang|en|On}} ! Čitanje {{lang|en|Kun}}<ref>{{cite book |script-title=ja:スーパー大辞林 |trans-title=Super [[Daijirin]] |language=ja |publisher=[[Sanseidō]] }}</ref> ! Prědnostno čitanje |- | align="right" | [[0]] | {{lang|ja|零}} / {{lang|ja|〇}}{{sup|*}} | {{Nihongo||れい|rei}} | {{Nihongo||まる|maru}} | {{Nihongo||ゼロ|zero}} ([[Pozajetje (lingvistika)|pozajetje]], {{lang|en|[[Loanwords in Japanese|gairaigo]]}}) |- | align="right" | [[1]] | {{lang|ja|一}} | {{Nihongo||いち|ichi}} | {{Nihongo||ひと・つ|hito(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||いち|ichi}} |- | align="right" | [[2]] | {{lang|ja|二}} | {{Nihongo||に|ni}} | {{Nihongo||ふた・つ|futa(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||に|ni}} |- | align="right" | [[3]] | {{lang|ja|三}} | {{Nihongo||さん|san}} | {{Nihongo||みっ・つ|mit(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||さん|san}} |- | align="right" | [[4]] | {{lang|ja|四}} | {{Nihongo||し|shi}} | {{lang|en|yon}}, {{Nihongo||よん、よっ・つ|yot(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||よん|yon}} |- | align="right" | [[5]] | {{lang|ja|五}} | {{Nihongo||ご|go}} | {{Nihongo||いつ・つ|itsu(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||ご|go}} |- | align="right" | [[6]] | {{lang|ja|六}} | {{Nihongo||ろく|roku}} | {{Nihongo||むっ・つ|mut(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||ろく|roku}} |- | align="right" | [[7]] | {{lang|ja|七}} | {{Nihongo||しち|shichi}} | {{Nihongo||なな・つ|nana(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||なな|nana}} |- | align="right" | [[8]] | {{lang|ja|八}} | {{Nihongo||はち|hachi}} | {{Nihongo||やっ・つ|yat(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||はち|hachi}} |- | align="right" | [[9]] | {{lang|ja|九}} | {{lang|ja|ku}}, {{Nihongo||く, きゅう|kyū}} | {{Nihongo||ここの・つ|kokono(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||きゅう|kyū}} |- | align="right" | [[10]] | {{lang|ja|十}} | {{Nihongo||じゅう|jū}} | {{Nihongo||とお|tō}} | {{Nihongo||じゅう|jū}} |- | align="right" | [[20 (number)|20]] | {{lang|ja|二十}} | {{Nihongo||にじゅう|ni-jū}} | {{Nihongo||はた|hata}}† | {{Nihongo||にじゅう|ni-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[30 (number)|30]] | {{lang|ja|三十}} | {{Nihongo||さんじゅう|san-jū}} | {{Nihongo||みそ|miso}}† | {{Nihongo||さんじゅう|san-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[40 (number)|40]] | {{lang|ja|四十}} | {{Nihongo||しじゅう|shi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||よそ|yoso}}† | {{Nihongo||よんじゅう|yon-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[50 (number)|50]] | {{lang|ja|五十}} | {{Nihongo||ごじゅう|go-jū}} | {{Nihongo||いそ|iso}}† | {{Nihongo||ごじゅう|go-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[60 (number)|60]] | {{lang|ja|六十}} | {{Nihongo||ろくじゅう|roku-jū}} | {{Nihongo||むそ|muso}}† | {{Nihongo||ろくじゅう|roku-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[70 (number)|70]] | {{lang|ja|七十}} | {{Nihongo||しちじゅう|shichi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||ななそ|nanaso}}† | {{Nihongo||ななじゅう|nana-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[80 (number)|80]] | {{lang|ja|八十}} | {{Nihongo||はちじゅう|hachi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||やそ|yaso}}† | {{Nihongo||はちじゅう|hachi-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[90 (number)|90]] | {{lang|ja|九十}} | {{Nihongo||くじゅう|ku-jū}} | {{Nihongo||ここのそ|kokonoso}}† | {{Nihongo||きゅうじゅう|kyū-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[100]] | {{lang|ja|百}} | {{Nihongo||ひゃく|hyaku}} | {{Nihongo||もも|momo}}† | {{Nihongo||ひゃく|hyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[500 (number)|500]] | {{lang|ja|五百}} | {{Nihongo||ごひゃく|go-hyaku}} | {{Nihongo||いお|io}}† | {{Nihongo||ごひゃく|go-hyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[800 (number)|800]] | {{lang|ja|八百}} | {{Nihongo||はっぴゃく|hap-pyaku}} | {{Nihongo||やお|yao}}† | {{Nihongo||はっぴゃく|hap-pyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[1000 (number)|1,000]] | {{lang|ja|千}} | {{Nihongo||せん|sen}} | {{Nihongo||ち|chi}}† | {{Nihongo||せん|sen}} |- | align="right" | [[10,000]] | {{lang|ja|万}} | {{Nihongo||まん|man}} | {{Nihongo||よろず|yorozu}}† | {{Nihongo||まん|man}} |- | align="right" | [[100,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|億}} | {{Nihongo||おく|oku}} |— | {{Nihongo||おく|oku}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)#1012|1,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|兆}} | {{Nihongo||ちょう|chō}} |— | {{Nihongo||ちょう|chō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10,000,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|京}} | {{Nihongo||けい|kei}} |— | {{Nihongo||けい|kei}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|100,000,000,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|垓}} | {{Nihongo||がい|gai}} |— | {{Nihongo||がい|gai}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10²⁴]] | {{lang|ja|𥝱}} | {{Nihongo||じょ|jo}} |— | {{Nihongo||じょ|jo}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10²⁸]] | {{lang|ja|穣}} | {{Nihongo||じょう|jō}} |— | {{Nihongo||じょう|jō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10³²]] | {{lang|ja|溝}} | {{Nihongo||こう|kō}} |— | {{Nihongo||こう|kō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10³⁶]] | {{lang|ja|澗}} | {{Nihongo||かん|kan}} |— | {{Nihongo||かん|kan}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁰]] | {{lang|ja|正}} | {{Nihongo||せい|sei}} |— | {{Nihongo||せい|sei}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁴]] | {{lang|ja|載}} | {{Nihongo||さい|sai}} |— | {{Nihongo||さい|sai}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁸]] | {{lang|ja|極}} | {{Nihongo||ごく|goku}} |— | {{Nihongo||ごく|goku}} |} <small><nowiki>*</nowiki> Imaje se takože specialno čitanje 〇 ({{-|''maru''}}), čto označaje "krugly" ili "krug". Ono može koristati se opcionalno, kogda čitajut se odděljene cifry v nomeru jedna po jednoj, vměsto vsego čisla. Polpularnym priměrim jest [[109 (trgovy dom)|znamenity magazin "109"]] v četvrti [[Shibuya|Šibuja, Tokio]], ktory čitaje se kako {{lang|en|ichi-maru-kyū}} (Kandži: {{lang|ja|一〇九}}). (On takože može čitati se kako 'deset-devet'— izgovarjaje se {{lang|en|tō-kyū}} — čto jest igra slov s nazvanjem tokijskogo trgovogo doma, ktory vladaje budynkom.) Tuto izkoristanje {{lang|en|maru}} za čislnu 0 jest podobno poněkogdomu čitanju čisla 0 v anglijskom jezyku kako {{-| ''oh''}}. Jednakože, kako čislo, jego jedino zapisyvajut kako 0 ili {{Nihongo|零|{{-|rei}}}}. Čtovyše, dva i pet igovarjajut s dolgoju samoglaskoju v telefoničnyh nomerah (napr. {{lang|ja|にい}} {{lang|en|nī}} i {{lang|ja|ごお}} {{lang|en|gō}}). Čisla poslě {{lang|en|kei}} koristajut rědko. Tym ne menje, oni sut prědstavjene tut.</small> Kako odměčaje se vyše, {{lang|en|yon}} (4) i {{lang|en|nana}} (7) sut uprědnostnjene nad {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}}. Prědpokladaje se, že tuto jest svezano s tym, že {{lang|en|shi}} jest takože čitanjem slova 死 (smrt), čto děljae jego neščestlivym čitanjem (gledite [[tetrafobija]]); dokolě {{lang|en|shichi}} može zvučati velmi slično s {{lang|en|ichi}} (1), {{lang|en|shi}} ili {{lang|en|hachi}} (8). Jednakože, v cělom redu stanovjenyh slov i rěčenij, {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}} sut stale preferovane; tako, pri sčitanju (kako v {{lang|en|"ichi, ni, san, shi,..."}}), {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}} mogut iměti prědnost. Čislo 9 takože mněvaje se nesčestlivym; kogda izgovarjaje se {{lang|en|ku}}, ono sozvučno 苦 (stradanje). Čislo 13 poněkogda mněvaje se nesčestlivym, ale jest to kalka [[Triskaidekafobia|zapadnoj tradicije]]. Naprotiv, 7 i poněkogda 8 mněvajut se sčestlivymy u japoncev.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://lingualift.com/blog/lucky-unlucky-numbers-japan/|title=The number of death: Lucky and unlucky numbers in Japan|website=The Science of Language Self-Study {{!}} LinguaLift Blog|access-date=2016-03-24}}</ref> V sovrěmennom japonskom jezyku, redne čislovniky pomimo 4 i 7 sut obyčno koristane v čitanju {{lang|en|on}}. Alternativno čitanje byvaje v nazvah měsecev, čislah dnjev v měsecu i stalyh izrazah; napriměr, april, julij, i september nazyvajut se {{lang|en|'''shi'''-gatsu}} (4. měsec), {{lang|en|'''shichi'''-gatsu}} (7. měsec), i {{lang|en|'''ku'''-gatsu}} (9. měsec). Čitanja {{lang|en|on}} takože koristajut pri prěklikanju dlja sčitanja ljudij (nap. {{lang|en|ichi-ni-san-shi}}). Večši čisla dělajut, kombinujuči tute elementy: *desetky od 20 do 90 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-jū}}" kako od {{Nihongo|二十|{{-|ni-jū}}}} do {{Nihongo|九十|{{-|kyū-jū}}}}. *sotky od 200 do 900 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-hyaku}}". *tyseče od 2000 do 9000 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-sen}}". Počinajuči od {{Nihongo|miriady|万}}, čisla začinajut se s {{Nihongo|一|{{-|ichi}}}}, jestlu ne jest prisutna ina cifra. Tako, 100 bude prosto {{Nihongo|百|{{-|hyaku}}}}, 1000 jest prosto {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}, ale 10000 uže{{Nihongo|一万|{{-|ichiman}}}}, vměsto prosto {{lang|en|man}}. (Tuto odličaje se od [[Kitajsky jezyk|kitajskogo jezyka]], kde čisla začinajut se c {{lang|zh|一}} ako ne jest druga ina cifra prěd njeju, uže od 100.) I jestli {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}neposrědnje prědhodi nazvě kolikosti [[Miriada|miriad]], prěd {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}obyčno dodavajut {{Nihongo|一|{{-|ichi}}}}, čto davaje {{Nihongo|一千|{{-|issen}}}}. Tako, 10,000,000 (bukvalno 1000,0000) obyčno čitajut kako {{Nihongo|一千万|{{-|issenman}}}}. Ale ako {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}} ''ne'' premo prědhodi kolikosti myriad, dodavanje {{Nihongo|一|ichi}}jest opcionalno. Tako, 15,000,000 (1500,0000) čitaje se kako {{Nihongo|千五百万|sengohyakuman}} ili {{Nihongo|一千五百万|issengohyakuman}}, ravno i kako 1500 čitaje se {{Nihongo|千五百|sengohyaku}}ili {{Nihongo|一千五百|issengohyaku}}. Sut i něktore fonetične modifikacije v ozvučanju něktoryh velikyh čisel, [[Oglasovanje i obezglasovanje suglasok|oglasovanje]] ili [[gemacija]] něktoryh suglasok, kako to često byvaje v japonskom jezyku (napr. {{lang|en|[[rendaku]]}}): napr. {{lang|en|roku}} "šest" i {{lang|en|hyaku}} "sto" dělajut {{lang|en|roppyaku}} "šestsot". {| class="wikitable" ! × !! 1 !! 2 !! 3 !! 4 !! 5 !! 6 !! 7 !! 8 !! 9 !! 10 !! 100 !! 1000 |- | align="right" | 100 | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hyaku, ippyaku}} | {{lang|en|nihyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sanbyaku}} | {{lang|en|yonhyaku}} | {{lang|en|gohyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|roppyaku}} | {{lang|en|nanahyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|happyaku}} | {{lang|en|kyūhyaku}} |— |— |— |- | align="right" | 1,000 | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sen, issen}} | {{lang|en|nisen}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sanzen}} | {{lang|en|yonsen}} | {{lang|en|gosen}} | {{lang|en|rokusen}} | {{lang|en|nanasen}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hassen}} | {{lang|en|kyūsen}} | — | — | — |- | align="right" | 10{{sup|12}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|itchō}} | {{lang|en|nichō}} | {{lang|en|sanchō}} | {{lang|en|yonchō}} | {{lang|en|gochō}} | {{lang|en|rokuchō}} | {{lang|en|nanachō}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hatchō}} | {{lang|en|kyūchō}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|jutchō}}* | {{lang|en|hyakuchō}} | {{lang|en|issenchō}} |- | align="right" | 10{{sup|16}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|ikkei}} | {{lang|en|nikei}} | {{lang|en|sankei}} | {{lang|en|yonkei}} | {{lang|en|gokei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|rokkei}} | {{lang|en|nanakei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hakkei}} | {{lang|en|kyūkei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|jukkei}}* | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hyakkei}}** | {{lang|en|issenkei}} |} <small><nowiki>*</nowiki> Takože priměnjaje se k kratnym 10. Koncovka měnjaje se od {{lang|en|-jū}} na {{lang|en|-jutchō}} ili {{lang|en|-jukkei}}.<br /><nowiki>**</nowiki> Takože priměnjaje se k kratnym 100. Koncovka {{lang|en|-ku}} měnjaje se na {{lang|en|-kkei}}.</small> V čislah nad 10, elementy sut soredjene, i ne koristajut se nuly. Japonske čislovniky imajut ne pozicijnu, a multiplikativno-aditivnu sistemu; da by napisati čislo 20, trěba napisati simbol {{Nihongo|"dva"|二}}, a potom simbol {{Nihongo|"deset"|十}}, da by polučiti dvě desetky ili {{Nihongo|"dvadeset"|二十}}. {| class="wikitable" ! Čislo !! Znaky !! Čitanje !Značenje |- | align="right" | 11 || {{lang|ja|十一}} || {{lang|en|jū ichi}} |deset i jedno |- | align="right" | 17 || {{lang|ja|十七}} || {{lang|en|jū nana, jū shichi}} |deset i sedm |- | align="right" | 151 || {{lang|ja|百五十一}} || {{lang|en|hyaku go-jū ichi}} |sto, pet desetok i jedno |- | align="right" | 302 || {{lang|ja|三百二}} || {{lang|en|san-byaku ni}} |tri sta i dva |- | align="right" | 469 || {{lang|ja|四百六十九}} || {{lang|en|yon-hyaku roku-jū kyū}} |četyri, šest desetok i devet |- | align="right" | 2025 || {{lang|ja|二千二十五}} || {{lang|en|ni-sen ni-jū go}} |dva tyseče, dvě desetky i pet |} ===Čislne redky i desetične čisla=== Japonske cifry od 1 do 9 obyčno se koristajut izolovano. Redky cifr imajut slegka inako čitanje s prodolženymi samoglaskami za 2 (''nī'') i 5 (''gō''), i menje često, 4 (''shī'') i 9 (''kū''). Tako dělajut zato, že kogda prěčisljajut cifry, ako možno, oni muset byti v grupah po dvě, každa iz njih musi sostojeti točno iz četyreh [[Mora (lingvistika)|mor]], čto dělaje neobhodnym prodolženje obyčno jednomornyh cifr kako ''ni'', ''go'', ''shi'' and ''ku''.<ref name=nhk-2005-2>{{cite web|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250622082124/https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20250601_1.html|url=https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20250601_1.html|archive-date=22 June 2025|lang=ja|script-title=ja:語の読み方（語形）について数字の読み方～小数の読み方～|work=NHK Bunken|publisher=NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute|last=Yamashita|first=Yōko|last2=Fujii|first2=Madoka|date=28 February 2025|access-date=23 September 2025|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250622082259/https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20180501_4.html|url=https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20180501_4.html|archive-date=22 June 2025|date=1 May 2018|lang=ja|script-title=ja:数詞の発音とアクセント|work=NHK Bunken|publisher=NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute|last=Sakurai|first=Shigeharu|last2=Akinaga|first2=Kazue|access-date=23 September 2025|url-status=live}}</ref> Napiměr, taky redok kako '''5'''4'''2'''62 se izgovarjaje {{-|'''''gō'''-yon '''nī'''-roku ni''}}, kde prve dvě grupy sut kvadrimoraične. [[Japonsko tonalno udarjenje|Udarjenje]] pri tom padaje prědposlědnju moru kažfoj grupy, ako li to jest možlivo, odsud {{-|[ɡoː jóɴ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲiː ɾókɯ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲí]}}.<ref name=hirayama-1961>{{cite book|lang=ja|script-title=ja:全国アクセント辞典|first=Teruo|last=Hirayama|publisher=Tōkyōdō|date=25 December 1961|p=897}}</ref> Tuto pravilo takože priměnjaje se k poslědnoj cifrě celoj česti čisla i ko vsim cifram desetičnoj česti desetičnogo čisla.<ref name=nhk-2005-2/><ref name=hirayama-1961/> Napriměr, tako desetično čislo kako 25'''2'''.'''25'''5 se izgovarjaje {{-|''nihyaku gojū '''nī'''-ten '''nī-gō''' go''}} {{-|[ɲiçjakɯ́ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɡodʑɯ́ː <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲíː teɴ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲiː ɡóː <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɡó]}}, kde ''ten'' označaje "točka". ===Druge tipy čisel=== V japonskyh [[Ordinalny čislovnik|ordinalnyh čislovnikah]] koristajut modifikaciju uměstnyh sčetnyh slov, sistema ktoryh v japonskom jezyku jest dosti [[Japonske sčetne slova|komplikovana]]. Da by prěvratiti sčetno slovo (sčislovnik) v ordinalny čislovnik, ktory označaje poziciju v redu, na koncu sčislovnika dodavajut {{lang|ja|目}} {{lang|en|me}}. Tako "jedin raz" bude prěkladati se kako {{lang|ja|一回}} {{lang|en|ikkai}}, a "prvy raz" bude se prěkladati {{lang|ja|一回目}} {{lang|en|ikkaime}}. Tuto pravilo jest ale nedoslědno, ako sčislovniky bez sufiksa {{translit|ja|me}} često koristajut i v ordinalnom, i v [[Kardinalny čislovnik|kardinalnom]] smyslah. Napriměr, {{lang|ja|三階}} {{translit|ja|sangai}} može označati kako "tri etaže", tako i "tretji etaž." [[Distributivny čislovnik|Distributivne čislovniky]] obyčno stvarjajut iz kardinalnogo čislovnika, sčetnogo slova i sufiksa {{Nihongo|{{-|''-zutsu''}}|ずつ|}}, napriklad {{Nihongo|{{-|''hitori-zutsu''}}|一人ずつ|po jednoj osobě za raz, po-jedno}}. == Stupnje 10 == === Velike čisla === Vslěd kitajskoj tradiciji, velike čisla se stvarjajut grupovanjem cifr v [[Miriada|miriady]] (10,000), na razliku od zapadnyh tyseč(1,000) <div class="overflowbugx" style="overflow-x:auto;"> {| class="wikitable" !align="left"|Red |10{{sup|4}} |10{{sup|8}} |10{{sup|12}} |10{{sup|16}} |10{{sup|20}} |10{{sup|24}} |10{{sup|28}} |10{{sup|32}} |10{{sup|36}} |10{{sup|40}} |10{{sup|44}} |10{{sup|48}} |10{{sup|52}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(ili 10{{sup|56}})}}</small> |10{{sup|56}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(ili 10{{sup|64}})}}</small> |10{{sup|60}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|72}})}}</small> |10{{sup|64}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|80}})}}</small> |10{{sup|68}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|88}})}}</small> |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|万}} |{{lang|ja|億}} |{{lang|ja|兆}} |{{lang|ja|京}} |{{lang|ja|垓}} |{{lang|ja|𥝱}}, {{lang|ja|秭}} |{{lang|ja|穣}} |{{lang|ja|溝}} |{{lang|ja|澗}} |{{lang|ja|正}} |{{lang|ja|載}} |{{lang|ja|極}} |{{lang|ja|恒河沙}} |{{lang|ja|阿僧祇}} |{{lang|ja|那由他}}, {{lang|ja|那由多}} |{{lang|ja|不可思議}} |{{lang|ja|無量大数}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|en|man}} |{{lang|en|oku}} |{{lang|en|chō}} |{{lang|en|kei}} |{{lang|en|gai}} |{{lang|en|jo}}, {{lang|en|shi}} |{{lang|en|jō}} |{{lang|en|kō}} |{{lang|en|kan}} |{{lang|en|sei}} |{{lang|en|sai}} |{{lang|en|goku}} |{{lang|en|gōgasha}} |{{lang|en|asōgi}} |{{lang|en|nayuta}} |{{lang|en|fukashigi}} |{{lang|en|muryōtaisū}} |}</div> Razhoděnja sut iz-za {{Nihongo|{{-|[[Jinkōki]]}}|塵劫記|}}, najstaršego matematičnogo teksta Japonije. Originalno izdavanje bylo opublikovano v lětu 1627 i imělo mnogo grěšek, věčšinstvo ktoryh bylo izpravjeno v izdavanju 1631 goda. V lětu 1634 izšlo ješče jedno izdavanje, kde opet bylo izměnjeno několiko veličin. Vyše uvedeno razhodženje jest obuslovjeno nesuglasnostju dvoh poslědnjih izdavanij. Sut razne znaky za 10{{sup|24}} (to jest {{lang|ja|秭}} v kitajskom jezyku tutčas), i po 10{{sup|48}} oni odličajut se tym, že prodolžajut s povyšenjem faktora 10{{sup|4}} ili prěključajut se na faktor 10{{sup|8}}. Ako koristaje se faktor 10{{sup|8}}, medžuintervalne koeficienty 10{{sup|4}} zakryvajut s pomočju {{Nihongo|万|man}}. Nastoječe izdavanje {{lang|en|Jinkōki}}, 11-to, slěduje faktoru 10{{sup|4}} črez cělu sistemu, hoti něktori ljudi ješče koristajut veličiny iz 8-go izdavanja daže tutčas. Poslědnje tri čisla s mnogoslogovymi nazvanjami i razhodženjem veličin v koncu koncev izvodet se iz Indije, hoti tam oni ne iměli oprědeljennyh veličin. {{Nihongo|恒河沙|''gōgasha''}} prvonačelno koristalo se v budističskyh traktatah za označevanje bezměrno ogromnogo; ono proizhodi iz [[Sanskrit|sanskritskogo]] {{lang|sa|गङ्गा}} {{lang|en|gangā}} '[[Ganges|Ganga]]' (čto udobno vključaje znaky {{Nihongo|'rěka'|河|ka}} i {{Nihongo|'pěsok'|沙|sha}}, odsylajuči k neizčislimomu množstvu čestic pěska na rěkě Ganga. {{Nihongo|阿僧祇|''asōgi''|}}, od sanskritnogo {{lang|sa|असंख्येय}} {{lang|en|asaṃkhyeya}} 'neizčisljimy/bezčislny', s negativnym prefiksom {{Nihongo|阿|''a''|}}, i {{Nihongo|那由他|''nayuta''}} od sanskritnogo {{lang|sa|नयुत/नयुतः}} {{lang|en|nayuta(ḥ)}}. Dalje, cifry sut terminami iz [[Budizm|Budizma]], prěvedene na kitajsky ili iztvorjene na njem, ktorym pozdněje pridělali čislne značenja: {{Nihongo|'nevoobrazimy'|不可思議|fukashigi}} i {{Nihongo|'bezměrno veliko čislo'|無量大数|muryōtaisū}}. Priměry: ''(razděljenje na grupy iz četyreh cifr jest privedeno samo za cěljem lěpšego objasnjenja)'' *1 0000 : {{Nihongo|一万|ichi-man}} *983 6703 : {{Nihongo|九百八十三万 六千七百三|kyū-hyaku hachi-jū san-man, roku-sen nana-hyaku san}} *20 3652 1801 : {{Nihongo|二十億 三千六百五十二万 千八百一|ni-jū oku, san-zen rop-pyaku go-jū ni-man, sen hap-pyaku ichi}} Jednakože, Čisla, napisane arabskymi ciframi, razděljaut na grupy po tri cifry, kako to jest prijeto v anglogovorečih državah. Pri koristanju arabskyh cifr i kandži razom, zapadny sposob zapisu može se koristati za čisla, menši 10,000, ale s {{-|''man''}}, ako čislo je večšo (napr. {{lang|ja|2,500万}} za 25,000,000). Ako v japonskom jezyku dolge čisla sit zapisyvane v kandži, nuly opuskajut za vse stupnje deseti. Tako, 4002 bude {{lang|ja|四千二}} (naprotiv, v kitajskom jezyku trěba použiti {{lang|zh|零}} vsekde vměsto nuly, napr. {{lang|zh|四千零二}} za 4002). Ale, pri čitanju učetovodnyh sprav, napriměr, opuštene cifry inogda označajut {{Nihongo|飛び|tobi}} ili {{Nihongo|飛んで|tonde}}: v našem priměru 4002 {{lang|en|yon-sen '''tobi''' ni}} ili {{lang|en|yon-sen '''tonde''' ni}} vměsto obyčnogo {{lang|en|yon-sen ni}}. === Drobne čisla === Japanese has two systems of numerals for decimal fractions. They are no longer in general use, but are still used in some instances such as batting and fielding averages of baseball players, winning percentages for sports teams, and in some idiomatic phrases such as 五分五分の勝負 ({{-|''gobugobu no shōbu''}}, 'fifty-fifty chance'}}, and when representing a rate or discount. The {{lang|en|bu}} fractions are also used when talking about fevers—for example {{Nihongo|九度二分|kudonibu}} for 9 and two parts—referring to the temperature 39.2°C. One system is as follows: {| class="wikitable" !align=left|Red |10{{sup|−1}} |10{{sup|−2}} |10{{sup|−3}} |10{{sup|−4}} |10{{sup|−5}} |10{{sup|−6}} |10{{sup|−7}} |10{{sup|−8}} |10{{sup|−9}} |10{{sup|−10}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|分}} |{{lang|ja|厘}} |{{lang|ja|毛}} |{{lang|ja|糸}} |{{lang|ja|忽}} |{{lang|ja|微}} |{{lang|ja|繊}} |{{lang|ja|沙}} |{{lang|ja|塵}} |{{lang|ja|埃}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|jen|bu}} |{{lang|en|rin}} |{{lang|en|mō}} |{{lang|en|shi}} |{{lang|en|kotsu}} |{{lang|en|bi}} |{{lang|en|sen}} |{{lang|en|sha}} |{{lang|en|jin}} |{{lang|en|ai}} |} This is the system used with the traditional [[Japanese units of measurement]]. Several of the names are used "as is" to represent a fraction of a [[cun (unit)|{{lang|en|sun}}]]. The other system of representing these decimal fractions of rate or discount uses a system "shifted down" with a {{lang|ja|bu}} becoming a "one hundredth" and so on, and the unit for "tenth" becoming {{lang|ja|wari}}: {| class="wikitable" !align=left|Red |10{{sup|−1}} |10{{sup|−2}} |10{{sup|−3}} |10{{sup|−4}} |10{{sup|−5}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|割}} |{{lang|ja|分}} |{{lang|ja|厘}} |{{lang|ja|毛}} |{{lang|ja|糸}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|en|wari}} |{{lang|en|bu}} |{{lang|en|rin}} |{{lang|en|mō}} |{{lang|en|shi}} |} This is often used with prices. For example: *{{Nihongo|一割五分引き|ichi-wari go-bu biki}}: 15% discount *{{Nihongo|打率三割八分九厘|daritsu san-wari hachi-bu kyū-rin}}: batting average .389 With the exception of {{lang|ja|wari}}, these are rarely seen in modern usage. Decimal fractions are typically written with either kanji numerals (vertically) or Arabic numerals (horizontally), preceded by a decimal point, and are read as successive digits, as in Western convention. Note that, in written form, they can be combined with either the traditional system of expressing numerals (42.195 kilometers: {{lang|ja|四十二・一九五 キロメートル}}), in which powers of ten are written, or with the place value system, which uses zero (50.04 percent: {{lang|ja|五〇・〇四 パーセント.}}) In both cases, however, the reading follows the traditional system ({{lang|ja|yon-jū ni-ten ichi-kyū go kiromētoru}} for 42.195 kilometers; {{lang|ja|go ju-tten rei-yon pāsento}} for 50.04 percent.) == В именах == Существуют имена {{нихонго|[[Millennium Actress|Тиёко]]|千代子||дословно «тысяча лет» (женское)}}, {{нихонго|Тидзуру|千鶴||дословно «тысяча [[Японский журавль|журавлей]]» (женское)}}, {{нихонго|Тикао|千禾夫||дословно «муж — тысяча колосьев»}}, фамилия {{нихонго|Титака|千鷹||дословно «тысяча соколов»}}. Одна из японских префектур называется {{нихонго|[[Тиба (префектура)|Тиба]]|千葉||дословно «тысяча листьев»}}. В [[аниме]] «[[Унесённые призраками]]» обыгрывается неоднозначность прочтения иероглифа 千 — «сэн» или «ти»: имя главной героини — {{нихонго|Тихиро|千尋||дословно «тысяча [[Японская система мер#Меры длины|хиро]]», «бездонная глубина»}}; колдунья «забирает» имя у Тихиро, оставляя ей только один иероглиф и меняя его прочтение. Отныне Тихиро зовётся {{нихонго|Сэн|千||тысяча}}. Кроме того, есть последовательность мужских имён, которыми называют детей по порядку рождения: # {{нихонго|Итиро|一郎|итиро:|первый сын}}, # {{нихонго|Дзиро|二郎|дзиро:|второй сын}}, # {{нихонго|Сабуро|三郎|сабуро:}}, # {{нихонго|Сиро|四郎|сиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Горо|五郎|горо:}}, # {{нихонго|Рокуро|六郎|рокуро:}}, # {{нихонго|Ситиро|七郎|ситиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Хатиро|八郎|хатиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Куро|九郎|куро:}}, # {{нихонго|Дзюро|十郎|дзю:ро:}}, # {{нихонго|Тоитиро|十一郎|тоитиро:}} или {{нихонго|Дзюитиро|十一郎|дзю:итиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Дзюдзиро|十二郎|дзю:дзиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Тосабуро|十三郎|тосабуро:}} или {{нихонго|Дзюсабуро|十三郎|дзю:сабуро:}}. После [[Вторая мировая война|Второй мировой войны]] имена «больше» Сабуро почти вышли из употребления. Кроме указанных имён есть даже {{нихонго|Дзюсиро|十四郎|дзю:сиро:|четырнадцатый сын}} и {{нихонго|Хякуро|百郎|хякуро:|сотый сын}}: их, кроме прочих, носят актёр [[Кабуки]] [[Коноэ, Дзюсиро|Дзюсиро Коноэ]] (近衛 十四郎) и [[мангака]] [[Мурасаки, Хякуро|Хякуро Мурасаки]] (村崎 百郎). == Formalne čislovniky == [[File:Shoe Boxes (743286602).jpg|thumb|{{lang|en|[[Getabako]]}}]] As with Chinese numerals, there exists in Japanese a separate set of kanji for numerals called {{Nihongo||大字|'''daiji'''}} used in legal and financial documents to prevent unscrupulous individuals from adding a stroke or two, turning a one into a two or a three. The formal numbers are identical to the [[Chinese financial numerals|Chinese formal numbers]] except for minor stroke variations. Today, the numbers for one, two, three, and ten are written only in their formal form in legal documents (the numbers 4 to 9 as well as 100, 1000 and 10000 are written identically to the common ones, cf. table below).<ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:大正十一年大蔵省令第四十三号 (会計法規ニ基ク出納計算ノ数字及記載事項ノ訂正ニ関スル件) |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/T11/T11F03401000043.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023833/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/T11/T11F03401000043.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『第一条: 会計法規ニ基ク出納計算ニ関スル諸書類帳簿ニ記載スル金額其ノ他ノ数量ニシテ「一」、「二」、「三」、「十」、「廿」、「卅」ノ数字ハ「壱」、「弐」、「参」、「拾」、「弐拾」、「参拾」ノ字体ヲ用ユヘシ但横書ヲ為ストキハ「アラビア」数字ヲ用ユルコトヲ得』}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:戸籍法施行規則 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S22/S22F00501000094.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023839/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S22/S22F00501000094.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:「第三十一条 2: 年月日を記載するには、壱、弐、参、拾の文字を用いなければならない。」}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:小切手振出等事務取扱規程 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S26/S26F03401000020.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023849/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S26/S26F03401000020.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『附則 (昭和四〇年四月一日大蔵省令第二〇号) 2: 小切手の券面金額は、当分の間、所定の金額記載欄に、漢数字により表示することができる。この場合においては、「一」、「二」、「三」及び「十」の字体は、それぞれ「壱」、「弐」、「参」及び「拾」の漢字を用い、かつ、所定の金額記載欄の上方余白に当該金額記載欄に記載の金額と同額をアラビア数字で副記しなければならない。』}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:商業登記規則 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S39/S39F03201000023.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20090202084605/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S39/S39F03201000023.html |archive-date=2009-02-02 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『第四十八条 2: 金銭その他の物の数量、年月日及び番号を記載するには、「壱、弐、参、拾」の文字を用いなければならない。ただし、横書きをするときは、アラビヤ数字を用いることができる。』}}</ref> These numbers' common forms can be changed to a higher value by adding strokes (1 and 2 were explained above, while 3 can be changed to 5, and 10 to 1000). In some cases, the digit 1 is explicitly written like {{lang|ja|壱百壱拾}} for 110, as opposed to {{lang|ja|百十}} in common writing. Formal numbers: {| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center" ! rowspan="2" | Number ! rowspan="2" | Common ! colspan="2" | Formal |- ! In use !! Obsolete |- | align="right" | 1 || {{lang|ja|一}} || {{lang|ja|壱}} || {{lang|ja|壹}} |- | align="right" | 2 || {{lang|ja|二}} || {{lang|ja|弐}} || {{lang|ja|貳}} |- | align="right" | 3 || {{lang|ja|三}} || {{lang|ja|参}} || {{lang|ja|參}} |- | align="right" | 4 || {{lang|ja|四}} || {{lang|ja|四}} || {{lang|ja|肆}} |- | align="right" | 5 || {{lang|ja|五}} || {{lang|ja|五}} || {{lang|ja|伍}} |- | align="right" | 6 || {{lang|ja|六}} || {{lang|ja|六}} || {{lang|ja|陸}} |- | align="right" | 7 || {{lang|ja|七}} || {{lang|ja|七}} || {{lang|ja|柒}}, {{lang|ja|漆}} |- | align="right" | 8 || {{lang|ja|八}} || {{lang|ja|八}} || {{lang|ja|捌}} |- | align="right" | 9 || {{lang|ja|九}} || {{lang|ja|九}} || {{lang|ja|玖}} |- | align="right" | 10 || {{lang|ja|十}} || {{lang|ja|拾}} || {{lang|ja|拾}} |- | align="right" | 100 || {{lang|ja|百}} || {{lang|ja|百}} || {{lang|ja|佰}} |- | align="right" | 1000 || {{lang|ja|千}} || {{lang|ja|千}} || {{lang|ja|阡}}, {{lang|ja|仟}} |- | align="right" | 10000 || {{lang|ja|万}} || {{lang|ja|万}}, {{lang|ja|萬}} || {{lang|ja|萬}} |} The four current [[banknotes of the Japanese yen]], 1000-yen, 2000-yen, 5000-yen, and 10000-yen, have formal numbers {{lang|ja|千}}, {{lang|ja|弐千}}, {{lang|ja|五千}}, and {{lang|ja|壱万}}, respectively. ==V starojaponskom jezyku== [[Old Japanese]] shares some vocabulary with later periods, but there are also unique number terms over 10 which are not used any more, aside from being parts of specific [[lexeme]]s. Notes: * The transcription is based on the [[phoneme]] and is not [[phonetics|phonetic]]. See [[Old Japanese]] for further information. * See {{lang|ja|[[Jōdai Tokushu Kanazukai]]}} for information on subscript notation. <!--NOTE: Please do NOT change /h/ to /p/. The transcription is phonemic, not phonetic. While it must have been [p] at some time in the past, during the Old Japanese period it was [ɸ]. --> {| class="wikitable" ! Čislo ! Izgovor ! Priklady ! Primětky |- | align="right" | 1 | [[wiktionary:一#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|一日}} {{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂pi₁}} (1 day), {{lang|ojp|一年}} {{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂to₂se}} (1 year) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 2 | [[wiktionary:二#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|futa}}]] | {{lang|ojp|二夜}} {{lang|ojp|futayo₂}} (2 nights) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 3 | [[wiktionary:三#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|mi₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|三十}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁so₁}} (30) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 4 | [[wiktionary:四#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|yo₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|四十}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂so₁}} (40), {{lang|ojp|四人}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂tari}} (4 people) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 5 | [[wiktionary:五#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|itu}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五年}} {{lang|ojp|ituto₂se}} (5 years) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 6 | [[wiktionary:六#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|mu}}]] | {{lang|ojp|六爪}} {{lang|ojp|mutuma}} (6 claws) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 7 | [[wiktionary:七#Noun|{{lang|ojp|nana}}]] | {{lang|ojp|七瀬}} {{lang|ojp|nanase}} (many rapids) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 8 | [[wiktionary:八#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|ya}}]] | {{lang|ojp|八雲}} {{lang|ojp|yakumo₁}} (many clouds) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 9 | [[wiktionary:九#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|九柱}} {{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂pasira}} (9 nobles / gods) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 10 | [[wiktionary:十#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|to₂}}]] / [[wiktionary:十#Noun 3|{{lang|ojp|to₂wo}}]] | {{lang|ojp|十日}} {{lang|ojp|to₂woka}} (10 days) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 10 | [[wiktionary:十#Noun|{{lang|ojp|so₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|三十}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁so₁}} (30), {{lang|ojp|四十}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂so₁}} (40), {{lang|ojp|六十}} {{lang|ojp|muso₁}} (60), {{lang|ojp|八十}} {{lang|ojp|yaso₁}} (80) | Found only in compound words; not used alone. |- | align="right" | 20 | [[wiktionary:二十#Noun|{{lang|ojp|pata}}]] | {{lang|ojp|二十}} {{lang|ojp|patati}} (20), {{lang|ojp|二十人}} {{lang|ojp|patatari}} (20 people), {{lang|ojp|二十年}} {{lang|ojp|patato₂se}} (20 years) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 50 | [[wiktionary:五十|{{lang|ojp|i}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五十日}} {{lang|ojp|ika}} (50 days) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 100 | [[wiktionary:百#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|po}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五百}} {{lang|ojp|ipo}} (500), {{lang|ojp|五百年}} {{lang|ojp|ipoto₂se}} (500 years), {{lang|ojp|五百夜}} {{lang|ojp|ipoyo₂}} (500 nights), {{lang|ojp|八百}} {{lang|ojp|yapo}} (800), {{lang|ojp|三百}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁po}} (300), {{lang|ojp|六百}} {{lang|ojp|mupo}} (600), {{lang|ojp|九百}} {{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂po}} (900) | Used for multiple hundreds in compound numerals. Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 100 | [[wiktionary:百#Noun 3|{{lang|ojp|mo₁mo₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|百日}} {{lang|ojp|mo₁mo₁ka}} (many days) | Used for non-multiple hundred and for the number "100" by itself. Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 1000 | [[wiktionary:千#Noun|{{lang|ojp|ti}}]] | {{lang|ojp|千年}} {{lang|ojp|tito₂se}} (1000 years, many years) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 10000 | [[wiktionary:万#Noun|{{lang|ojp|yo₂ro₂du}}]] | {{lang|ojp|八百万}} {{lang|ojp|yapoyo₂ro₂du}} (8000000, myriad) | Often used to mean many. |} ==Sčitanje na prstah== Japanese uses separate systems for counting for oneself and for displaying numbers to others, which both proceed up to ten. For counting, one begins with the palm open, then counts up to five by curling up (folding down) the fingers, starting from the thumb – thus one has just the thumb down (and others extended), while four has only the little finger extended, and five has a fist. One then counts up to ten by proceeding in the reverse order, extending the fingers, starting at the little finger – thus six is the same as four, seven the same as three, and so forth, with ten ending with the palm open. While this introduces ambiguity, it is not used to present to others, so this is generally not a problem. When displaying for others, one starts with the hand closed, and extends fingers, starting with the index, going to the little finger, then ending with the thumb, as in the United States. For numbers above five, one uses an open hand (indicating five) and places the appropriate number of fingers from the other hand against the palm (palms facing each other) – so six has the index finger against the palm, and so forth.<ref>{{Cite web| url = http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/aa112198.htm| title = Counting on one's fingers. About.com, Japanese Language, Namiko Abe| archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20130120143955/http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/aa112198.htm |archive-date = 2013-01-20}}</ref> To display ten, one presents both hands open and palm outwards. == Zapisyvanje cifr slovami == Since the adoption of [[Arabic numerals]], it has become more and more common for numbers to be written using them. Counters and ordinal numbers are typically written in Arabic numbers, such as {{nihongo|three people|3人|san-nin}}, {{nihongo|July, "seventh-month"|7月|shichigatsu}}, {{nihongo|age 20|20歳|hatachi}}, etc., although {{lang|ja|三人}}, {{lang|ja|七月}} and {{lang|ja|二十歳}} are also acceptable to write (albeit less common). However, numbers that are part of lexemes are typically written in kanji. For example, the term {{nihongo|'vegetable stand / grocer'|八百屋|yaoya}} translates into "800 store" and uses the Old Japanese pronunciation for 800, {{lang|ojp|ya(h)o}}. The notorious Japanese organized crime syndicate, the [[yakuza]], can be written {{lang|ja|八九三}} (or 893), a hand in {{lang|en|[[Oicho-Kabu|oicho-kabu]]}} that is worth 0 points, indicating that yakuza are "worthless persons" or "gambling persons".<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://www.sljfaq.org/afaq/yakuza.html |title=What is the origin of yakuza? |website=www.sljfaq.org |access-date=2016-03-24}}</ref> ==Zrite takože== *[[Chinese numerals]] *[[Decimal separator]] *[[Japanese counter word]] *[[Japanese people]] *[[Japanese wordplay#Numeric substitution|Japanese wordplay § Numeric substitution]] == Referencije == {{Iztočniky}} ==Vnješnje linky== <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> * {{lang|ja|[http://www.moroo.com/uzokusou/misc/suumei/suumei.html 大数の名前について]}} (na japonskom jezyku) * {{Cite web |url= http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanese.html | title = Ancient Japanese number system| archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20180829030749/http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanese.html |archive-date=2018-08-29}} * [http://www.solosequenosenada.com/gramatica/japanese/Learn_Japanese_Numbers.php English exercises for learning Japanese numerals] * [https://web.archive.org/web/20090324035049/http://www.learnjapanesewordsandphrases.com/learnjapanesenumbers.html Audio to learn the pronunciation for Japanese numbers] * [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/kanjinumbers.cgi Convert kanji numerals to arabic numerals] (sci. lang. Japan FAQ page) * [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/numbers.cgi Convert arabic numerals to kanji numerals] (sci. lang. Japan FAQ page) </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese numerals|}} [[Kategorija:Čisla]] [[Kategorija:Japonsky jezyk]] [[Kategorija:Čislovniky]] {{INTERWIKI|Q1337084}} {{Kartka osoba | name = Viktor Coj | native_name = <center>{{Jezyky|ru|Виктор Цой}}</center> | image = [[Fajl:Victor Tsoi 1986.jpg|thumb|center|Viktor Coj v lětu 1986]] | alt = | caption = | birth_name = Viktor Robertovič Coj | birth_date = {{birth date|1962|6|21|df=yes}} | birth_place = [[Sankt-Peterburg|Leningrad]], [[Rosijska Sovětska Federativna Socialističska Republika|RSFSR]], [[Sovětsky Sojuz]] | death_date = {{death date and age|1990|8|15|1962|6|21|df=yes}} | death_place = [[Latvijska Sovětska Socialističska Republika|Latvijska SSR]], Sovětsky Sojuz | death_cause = Avto avarija | resting_place = Bogoslovskoje grobišče, Sankt-Peterburg | occupation = {{Flatlist| * pěvec * avtor pěsnjej * avtor muziky * aktor * avangardny umětnik }} | years_active = 1978–1990 | spouse = {{Plainlist| * Marianna Coj, od 1984 }} | children = [[Aleksandr Coj]], rod. 1985 | module = {{Kartka muzikant|embed=yes <!-- See Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians --> | background = solo_singer <!-- mandatory format: please do not change or remove --> | instrument = {{flatlist| * [[Vokal|vokal]] * [[Gitara|gitara]] * [[Bas-gitara|bas-gitara]] }} | genre = {{Flatlist| * [[Post-punk|post-pank]] * [[New wave (muzika)|nova volna]] * [[gotičny rok]] * [[Punk|pank rok]] }} | label = {{Flatlist| * [[AnTrop]] * [[Firma Melodija|Melodija]] }} | current_member_of = {{Flatlist| * [[Kino (grupa)|Kino]] * [[Avtomatičeskije udovletvoriteli]] * [[Sergej Kurjohin]] }} }} }} Tuto jest peskovišče. [[File:Nihongo.svg|thumb|right|100px| 日本語 (Japonsky jezyk)]] '''Japonsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|ja|日本語 {{!}} にほんご}} | {{-|''Nihongo'' [nʲiho̞ŋːo̞]}}) <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> </span> == Referencije == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese language|}} [[Kategorija:Jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5287}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} br5c8dh71z78w3j7gxwzzo4384e351j 27938 27935 2026-07-03T09:58:50Z Ilja isv 10 /* Drobne čisla */ 27938 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=July 2026}} {{-|''Under construction''}} {{nihongo|'''Japonske čislovniky'''|数詞|sūshi}} sut [[Čislovnik (lingvistika)|čislovniky]], koristane v [[Japonsky jezyk|japonskom jezyku]]. V pismennosti oni sut jednake s [[Kitajske čislovniky|kitajskymi čislovnikami]], I velike čisla slědujut kitajskomu stilju s grupovanjem po 10,000. Koristajut se dva izgovory: Sino-Japonsko čitanje ([[On'yomi|{{lang|en|on'yomi}}]]) i Japonsko čitanje {{lang|en|[[Wago|yamato kotoba]]}} (rodne slova, {{lang|en|[[kun'yomi]]}}) [[Kitajske hieroglify|kitajskyh hieroglifov]]. ==Čisla v japonskom jezyku== Sut dva sposoby, kako pisati čisla na japonskom jezyku: [[Arabske cifry|arabskymi ciframi]] (1, 2, 3) ili [[Kitajske čislovniky|kitajskymi čislovnikami]] ({{lang|zh|一}}, {{lang|zh|二}}, {{lang|zh|三}}). Arabske čisla sut vyše često koristane pri [[Horizontalno i vertikalno pisanje v Iztočno aziatskoj pismennosti|horizontalnom pisanju]], a kitajske čisla sut vyše obyčajne pri [[Horizontalno i vertikalno pisanje v Iztočno aziatskoj pismennosti|vertikalnom pisanju]]. Věčšinstvo čisel imaje dva čitanja, kako i večšinstvo [[Kanji|kandži]], to, ktoro jest izvedeno od kitajskogo čitanja, koristaje se za redne čislovniky ([[on'yomi|čitanje {{lang|en|On}}]] ) a rodno japonsko čitanje ([[kun'yomi|čitanje {{lang|en|Kun}}]]) koristaje se nemnogo menje formalno za čisla do 10. V něktoryh slučajah (privedenyh dole), jsponsko čitanje obyčno jest preferovano za vse izkoristanja. Archaične čtanja sut označene †. {| class="wikitable nounderlines" ! Čislo ! Znak ! Čitanje {{lang|en|On}} ! Čitanje {{lang|en|Kun}}<ref>{{cite book |script-title=ja:スーパー大辞林 |trans-title=Super [[Daijirin]] |language=ja |publisher=[[Sanseidō]] }}</ref> ! Prědnostno čitanje |- | align="right" | [[0]] | {{lang|ja|零}} / {{lang|ja|〇}}{{sup|*}} | {{Nihongo||れい|rei}} | {{Nihongo||まる|maru}} | {{Nihongo||ゼロ|zero}} ([[Pozajetje (lingvistika)|pozajetje]], {{lang|en|[[Loanwords in Japanese|gairaigo]]}}) |- | align="right" | [[1]] | {{lang|ja|一}} | {{Nihongo||いち|ichi}} | {{Nihongo||ひと・つ|hito(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||いち|ichi}} |- | align="right" | [[2]] | {{lang|ja|二}} | {{Nihongo||に|ni}} | {{Nihongo||ふた・つ|futa(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||に|ni}} |- | align="right" | [[3]] | {{lang|ja|三}} | {{Nihongo||さん|san}} | {{Nihongo||みっ・つ|mit(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||さん|san}} |- | align="right" | [[4]] | {{lang|ja|四}} | {{Nihongo||し|shi}} | {{lang|en|yon}}, {{Nihongo||よん、よっ・つ|yot(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||よん|yon}} |- | align="right" | [[5]] | {{lang|ja|五}} | {{Nihongo||ご|go}} | {{Nihongo||いつ・つ|itsu(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||ご|go}} |- | align="right" | [[6]] | {{lang|ja|六}} | {{Nihongo||ろく|roku}} | {{Nihongo||むっ・つ|mut(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||ろく|roku}} |- | align="right" | [[7]] | {{lang|ja|七}} | {{Nihongo||しち|shichi}} | {{Nihongo||なな・つ|nana(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||なな|nana}} |- | align="right" | [[8]] | {{lang|ja|八}} | {{Nihongo||はち|hachi}} | {{Nihongo||やっ・つ|yat(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||はち|hachi}} |- | align="right" | [[9]] | {{lang|ja|九}} | {{lang|ja|ku}}, {{Nihongo||く, きゅう|kyū}} | {{Nihongo||ここの・つ|kokono(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||きゅう|kyū}} |- | align="right" | [[10]] | {{lang|ja|十}} | {{Nihongo||じゅう|jū}} | {{Nihongo||とお|tō}} | {{Nihongo||じゅう|jū}} |- | align="right" | [[20 (number)|20]] | {{lang|ja|二十}} | {{Nihongo||にじゅう|ni-jū}} | {{Nihongo||はた|hata}}† | {{Nihongo||にじゅう|ni-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[30 (number)|30]] | {{lang|ja|三十}} | {{Nihongo||さんじゅう|san-jū}} | {{Nihongo||みそ|miso}}† | {{Nihongo||さんじゅう|san-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[40 (number)|40]] | {{lang|ja|四十}} | {{Nihongo||しじゅう|shi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||よそ|yoso}}† | {{Nihongo||よんじゅう|yon-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[50 (number)|50]] | {{lang|ja|五十}} | {{Nihongo||ごじゅう|go-jū}} | {{Nihongo||いそ|iso}}† | {{Nihongo||ごじゅう|go-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[60 (number)|60]] | {{lang|ja|六十}} | {{Nihongo||ろくじゅう|roku-jū}} | {{Nihongo||むそ|muso}}† | {{Nihongo||ろくじゅう|roku-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[70 (number)|70]] | {{lang|ja|七十}} | {{Nihongo||しちじゅう|shichi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||ななそ|nanaso}}† | {{Nihongo||ななじゅう|nana-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[80 (number)|80]] | {{lang|ja|八十}} | {{Nihongo||はちじゅう|hachi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||やそ|yaso}}† | {{Nihongo||はちじゅう|hachi-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[90 (number)|90]] | {{lang|ja|九十}} | {{Nihongo||くじゅう|ku-jū}} | {{Nihongo||ここのそ|kokonoso}}† | {{Nihongo||きゅうじゅう|kyū-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[100]] | {{lang|ja|百}} | {{Nihongo||ひゃく|hyaku}} | {{Nihongo||もも|momo}}† | {{Nihongo||ひゃく|hyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[500 (number)|500]] | {{lang|ja|五百}} | {{Nihongo||ごひゃく|go-hyaku}} | {{Nihongo||いお|io}}† | {{Nihongo||ごひゃく|go-hyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[800 (number)|800]] | {{lang|ja|八百}} | {{Nihongo||はっぴゃく|hap-pyaku}} | {{Nihongo||やお|yao}}† | {{Nihongo||はっぴゃく|hap-pyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[1000 (number)|1,000]] | {{lang|ja|千}} | {{Nihongo||せん|sen}} | {{Nihongo||ち|chi}}† | {{Nihongo||せん|sen}} |- | align="right" | [[10,000]] | {{lang|ja|万}} | {{Nihongo||まん|man}} | {{Nihongo||よろず|yorozu}}† | {{Nihongo||まん|man}} |- | align="right" | [[100,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|億}} | {{Nihongo||おく|oku}} |— | {{Nihongo||おく|oku}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)#1012|1,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|兆}} | {{Nihongo||ちょう|chō}} |— | {{Nihongo||ちょう|chō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10,000,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|京}} | {{Nihongo||けい|kei}} |— | {{Nihongo||けい|kei}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|100,000,000,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|垓}} | {{Nihongo||がい|gai}} |— | {{Nihongo||がい|gai}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10²⁴]] | {{lang|ja|𥝱}} | {{Nihongo||じょ|jo}} |— | {{Nihongo||じょ|jo}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10²⁸]] | {{lang|ja|穣}} | {{Nihongo||じょう|jō}} |— | {{Nihongo||じょう|jō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10³²]] | {{lang|ja|溝}} | {{Nihongo||こう|kō}} |— | {{Nihongo||こう|kō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10³⁶]] | {{lang|ja|澗}} | {{Nihongo||かん|kan}} |— | {{Nihongo||かん|kan}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁰]] | {{lang|ja|正}} | {{Nihongo||せい|sei}} |— | {{Nihongo||せい|sei}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁴]] | {{lang|ja|載}} | {{Nihongo||さい|sai}} |— | {{Nihongo||さい|sai}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁸]] | {{lang|ja|極}} | {{Nihongo||ごく|goku}} |— | {{Nihongo||ごく|goku}} |} <small><nowiki>*</nowiki> Imaje se takože specialno čitanje 〇 ({{-|''maru''}}), čto označaje "krugly" ili "krug". Ono može koristati se opcionalno, kogda čitajut se odděljene cifry v nomeru jedna po jednoj, vměsto vsego čisla. Polpularnym priměrim jest [[109 (trgovy dom)|znamenity magazin "109"]] v četvrti [[Shibuya|Šibuja, Tokio]], ktory čitaje se kako {{lang|en|ichi-maru-kyū}} (Kandži: {{lang|ja|一〇九}}). (On takože može čitati se kako 'deset-devet'— izgovarjaje se {{lang|en|tō-kyū}} — čto jest igra slov s nazvanjem tokijskogo trgovogo doma, ktory vladaje budynkom.) Tuto izkoristanje {{lang|en|maru}} za čislnu 0 jest podobno poněkogdomu čitanju čisla 0 v anglijskom jezyku kako {{-| ''oh''}}. Jednakože, kako čislo, jego jedino zapisyvajut kako 0 ili {{Nihongo|零|{{-|rei}}}}. Čtovyše, dva i pet igovarjajut s dolgoju samoglaskoju v telefoničnyh nomerah (napr. {{lang|ja|にい}} {{lang|en|nī}} i {{lang|ja|ごお}} {{lang|en|gō}}). Čisla poslě {{lang|en|kei}} koristajut rědko. Tym ne menje, oni sut prědstavjene tut.</small> Kako odměčaje se vyše, {{lang|en|yon}} (4) i {{lang|en|nana}} (7) sut uprědnostnjene nad {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}}. Prědpokladaje se, že tuto jest svezano s tym, že {{lang|en|shi}} jest takože čitanjem slova 死 (smrt), čto děljae jego neščestlivym čitanjem (gledite [[tetrafobija]]); dokolě {{lang|en|shichi}} može zvučati velmi slično s {{lang|en|ichi}} (1), {{lang|en|shi}} ili {{lang|en|hachi}} (8). Jednakože, v cělom redu stanovjenyh slov i rěčenij, {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}} sut stale preferovane; tako, pri sčitanju (kako v {{lang|en|"ichi, ni, san, shi,..."}}), {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}} mogut iměti prědnost. Čislo 9 takože mněvaje se nesčestlivym; kogda izgovarjaje se {{lang|en|ku}}, ono sozvučno 苦 (stradanje). Čislo 13 poněkogda mněvaje se nesčestlivym, ale jest to kalka [[Triskaidekafobia|zapadnoj tradicije]]. Naprotiv, 7 i poněkogda 8 mněvajut se sčestlivymy u japoncev.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://lingualift.com/blog/lucky-unlucky-numbers-japan/|title=The number of death: Lucky and unlucky numbers in Japan|website=The Science of Language Self-Study {{!}} LinguaLift Blog|access-date=2016-03-24}}</ref> V sovrěmennom japonskom jezyku, redne čislovniky pomimo 4 i 7 sut obyčno koristane v čitanju {{lang|en|on}}. Alternativno čitanje byvaje v nazvah měsecev, čislah dnjev v měsecu i stalyh izrazah; napriměr, april, julij, i september nazyvajut se {{lang|en|'''shi'''-gatsu}} (4. měsec), {{lang|en|'''shichi'''-gatsu}} (7. měsec), i {{lang|en|'''ku'''-gatsu}} (9. měsec). Čitanja {{lang|en|on}} takože koristajut pri prěklikanju dlja sčitanja ljudij (nap. {{lang|en|ichi-ni-san-shi}}). Večši čisla dělajut, kombinujuči tute elementy: *desetky od 20 do 90 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-jū}}" kako od {{Nihongo|二十|{{-|ni-jū}}}} do {{Nihongo|九十|{{-|kyū-jū}}}}. *sotky od 200 do 900 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-hyaku}}". *tyseče od 2000 do 9000 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-sen}}". Počinajuči od {{Nihongo|miriady|万}}, čisla začinajut se s {{Nihongo|一|{{-|ichi}}}}, jestlu ne jest prisutna ina cifra. Tako, 100 bude prosto {{Nihongo|百|{{-|hyaku}}}}, 1000 jest prosto {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}, ale 10000 uže{{Nihongo|一万|{{-|ichiman}}}}, vměsto prosto {{lang|en|man}}. (Tuto odličaje se od [[Kitajsky jezyk|kitajskogo jezyka]], kde čisla začinajut se c {{lang|zh|一}} ako ne jest druga ina cifra prěd njeju, uže od 100.) I jestli {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}neposrědnje prědhodi nazvě kolikosti [[Miriada|miriad]], prěd {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}obyčno dodavajut {{Nihongo|一|{{-|ichi}}}}, čto davaje {{Nihongo|一千|{{-|issen}}}}. Tako, 10,000,000 (bukvalno 1000,0000) obyčno čitajut kako {{Nihongo|一千万|{{-|issenman}}}}. Ale ako {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}} ''ne'' premo prědhodi kolikosti myriad, dodavanje {{Nihongo|一|ichi}}jest opcionalno. Tako, 15,000,000 (1500,0000) čitaje se kako {{Nihongo|千五百万|sengohyakuman}} ili {{Nihongo|一千五百万|issengohyakuman}}, ravno i kako 1500 čitaje se {{Nihongo|千五百|sengohyaku}}ili {{Nihongo|一千五百|issengohyaku}}. Sut i něktore fonetične modifikacije v ozvučanju něktoryh velikyh čisel, [[Oglasovanje i obezglasovanje suglasok|oglasovanje]] ili [[gemacija]] něktoryh suglasok, kako to često byvaje v japonskom jezyku (napr. {{lang|en|[[rendaku]]}}): napr. {{lang|en|roku}} "šest" i {{lang|en|hyaku}} "sto" dělajut {{lang|en|roppyaku}} "šestsot". {| class="wikitable" ! × !! 1 !! 2 !! 3 !! 4 !! 5 !! 6 !! 7 !! 8 !! 9 !! 10 !! 100 !! 1000 |- | align="right" | 100 | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hyaku, ippyaku}} | {{lang|en|nihyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sanbyaku}} | {{lang|en|yonhyaku}} | {{lang|en|gohyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|roppyaku}} | {{lang|en|nanahyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|happyaku}} | {{lang|en|kyūhyaku}} |— |— |— |- | align="right" | 1,000 | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sen, issen}} | {{lang|en|nisen}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sanzen}} | {{lang|en|yonsen}} | {{lang|en|gosen}} | {{lang|en|rokusen}} | {{lang|en|nanasen}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hassen}} | {{lang|en|kyūsen}} | — | — | — |- | align="right" | 10{{sup|12}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|itchō}} | {{lang|en|nichō}} | {{lang|en|sanchō}} | {{lang|en|yonchō}} | {{lang|en|gochō}} | {{lang|en|rokuchō}} | {{lang|en|nanachō}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hatchō}} | {{lang|en|kyūchō}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|jutchō}}* | {{lang|en|hyakuchō}} | {{lang|en|issenchō}} |- | align="right" | 10{{sup|16}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|ikkei}} | {{lang|en|nikei}} | {{lang|en|sankei}} | {{lang|en|yonkei}} | {{lang|en|gokei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|rokkei}} | {{lang|en|nanakei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hakkei}} | {{lang|en|kyūkei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|jukkei}}* | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hyakkei}}** | {{lang|en|issenkei}} |} <small><nowiki>*</nowiki> Takože priměnjaje se k kratnym 10. Koncovka měnjaje se od {{lang|en|-jū}} na {{lang|en|-jutchō}} ili {{lang|en|-jukkei}}.<br /><nowiki>**</nowiki> Takože priměnjaje se k kratnym 100. Koncovka {{lang|en|-ku}} měnjaje se na {{lang|en|-kkei}}.</small> V čislah nad 10, elementy sut soredjene, i ne koristajut se nuly. Japonske čislovniky imajut ne pozicijnu, a multiplikativno-aditivnu sistemu; da by napisati čislo 20, trěba napisati simbol {{Nihongo|"dva"|二}}, a potom simbol {{Nihongo|"deset"|十}}, da by polučiti dvě desetky ili {{Nihongo|"dvadeset"|二十}}. {| class="wikitable" ! Čislo !! Znaky !! Čitanje !Značenje |- | align="right" | 11 || {{lang|ja|十一}} || {{lang|en|jū ichi}} |deset i jedno |- | align="right" | 17 || {{lang|ja|十七}} || {{lang|en|jū nana, jū shichi}} |deset i sedm |- | align="right" | 151 || {{lang|ja|百五十一}} || {{lang|en|hyaku go-jū ichi}} |sto, pet desetok i jedno |- | align="right" | 302 || {{lang|ja|三百二}} || {{lang|en|san-byaku ni}} |tri sta i dva |- | align="right" | 469 || {{lang|ja|四百六十九}} || {{lang|en|yon-hyaku roku-jū kyū}} |četyri, šest desetok i devet |- | align="right" | 2025 || {{lang|ja|二千二十五}} || {{lang|en|ni-sen ni-jū go}} |dva tyseče, dvě desetky i pet |} ===Čislne redky i desetične čisla=== Japonske cifry od 1 do 9 obyčno se koristajut izolovano. Redky cifr imajut slegka inako čitanje s prodolženymi samoglaskami za 2 (''nī'') i 5 (''gō''), i menje često, 4 (''shī'') i 9 (''kū''). Tako dělajut zato, že kogda prěčisljajut cifry, ako možno, oni muset byti v grupah po dvě, každa iz njih musi sostojeti točno iz četyreh [[Mora (lingvistika)|mor]], čto dělaje neobhodnym prodolženje obyčno jednomornyh cifr kako ''ni'', ''go'', ''shi'' and ''ku''.<ref name=nhk-2005-2>{{cite web|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250622082124/https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20250601_1.html|url=https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20250601_1.html|archive-date=22 June 2025|lang=ja|script-title=ja:語の読み方（語形）について数字の読み方～小数の読み方～|work=NHK Bunken|publisher=NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute|last=Yamashita|first=Yōko|last2=Fujii|first2=Madoka|date=28 February 2025|access-date=23 September 2025|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250622082259/https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20180501_4.html|url=https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20180501_4.html|archive-date=22 June 2025|date=1 May 2018|lang=ja|script-title=ja:数詞の発音とアクセント|work=NHK Bunken|publisher=NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute|last=Sakurai|first=Shigeharu|last2=Akinaga|first2=Kazue|access-date=23 September 2025|url-status=live}}</ref> Napiměr, taky redok kako '''5'''4'''2'''62 se izgovarjaje {{-|'''''gō'''-yon '''nī'''-roku ni''}}, kde prve dvě grupy sut kvadrimoraične. [[Japonsko tonalno udarjenje|Udarjenje]] pri tom padaje prědposlědnju moru kažfoj grupy, ako li to jest možlivo, odsud {{-|[ɡoː jóɴ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲiː ɾókɯ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲí]}}.<ref name=hirayama-1961>{{cite book|lang=ja|script-title=ja:全国アクセント辞典|first=Teruo|last=Hirayama|publisher=Tōkyōdō|date=25 December 1961|p=897}}</ref> Tuto pravilo takože priměnjaje se k poslědnoj cifrě celoj česti čisla i ko vsim cifram desetičnoj česti desetičnogo čisla.<ref name=nhk-2005-2/><ref name=hirayama-1961/> Napriměr, tako desetično čislo kako 25'''2'''.'''25'''5 se izgovarjaje {{-|''nihyaku gojū '''nī'''-ten '''nī-gō''' go''}} {{-|[ɲiçjakɯ́ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɡodʑɯ́ː <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲíː teɴ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲiː ɡóː <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɡó]}}, kde ''ten'' označaje "točka". ===Druge tipy čisel=== V japonskyh [[Ordinalny čislovnik|ordinalnyh čislovnikah]] koristajut modifikaciju uměstnyh sčetnyh slov, sistema ktoryh v japonskom jezyku jest dosti [[Japonske sčetne slova|komplikovana]]. Da by prěvratiti sčetno slovo (sčislovnik) v ordinalny čislovnik, ktory označaje poziciju v redu, na koncu sčislovnika dodavajut {{lang|ja|目}} {{lang|en|me}}. Tako "jedin raz" bude prěkladati se kako {{lang|ja|一回}} {{lang|en|ikkai}}, a "prvy raz" bude se prěkladati {{lang|ja|一回目}} {{lang|en|ikkaime}}. Tuto pravilo jest ale nedoslědno, ako sčislovniky bez sufiksa {{translit|ja|me}} često koristajut i v ordinalnom, i v [[Kardinalny čislovnik|kardinalnom]] smyslah. Napriměr, {{lang|ja|三階}} {{translit|ja|sangai}} može označati kako "tri etaže", tako i "tretji etaž." [[Distributivny čislovnik|Distributivne čislovniky]] obyčno stvarjajut iz kardinalnogo čislovnika, sčetnogo slova i sufiksa {{Nihongo|{{-|''-zutsu''}}|ずつ|}}, napriklad {{Nihongo|{{-|''hitori-zutsu''}}|一人ずつ|po jednoj osobě za raz, po-jedno}}. == Stupnje 10 == === Velike čisla === Vslěd kitajskoj tradiciji, velike čisla se stvarjajut grupovanjem cifr v [[Miriada|miriady]] (10,000), na razliku od zapadnyh tyseč(1,000) <div class="overflowbugx" style="overflow-x:auto;"> {| class="wikitable" !align="left"|Red |10{{sup|4}} |10{{sup|8}} |10{{sup|12}} |10{{sup|16}} |10{{sup|20}} |10{{sup|24}} |10{{sup|28}} |10{{sup|32}} |10{{sup|36}} |10{{sup|40}} |10{{sup|44}} |10{{sup|48}} |10{{sup|52}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(ili 10{{sup|56}})}}</small> |10{{sup|56}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(ili 10{{sup|64}})}}</small> |10{{sup|60}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|72}})}}</small> |10{{sup|64}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|80}})}}</small> |10{{sup|68}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|88}})}}</small> |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|万}} |{{lang|ja|億}} |{{lang|ja|兆}} |{{lang|ja|京}} |{{lang|ja|垓}} |{{lang|ja|𥝱}}, {{lang|ja|秭}} |{{lang|ja|穣}} |{{lang|ja|溝}} |{{lang|ja|澗}} |{{lang|ja|正}} |{{lang|ja|載}} |{{lang|ja|極}} |{{lang|ja|恒河沙}} |{{lang|ja|阿僧祇}} |{{lang|ja|那由他}}, {{lang|ja|那由多}} |{{lang|ja|不可思議}} |{{lang|ja|無量大数}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|en|man}} |{{lang|en|oku}} |{{lang|en|chō}} |{{lang|en|kei}} |{{lang|en|gai}} |{{lang|en|jo}}, {{lang|en|shi}} |{{lang|en|jō}} |{{lang|en|kō}} |{{lang|en|kan}} |{{lang|en|sei}} |{{lang|en|sai}} |{{lang|en|goku}} |{{lang|en|gōgasha}} |{{lang|en|asōgi}} |{{lang|en|nayuta}} |{{lang|en|fukashigi}} |{{lang|en|muryōtaisū}} |}</div> Razhoděnja sut iz-za {{Nihongo|{{-|[[Jinkōki]]}}|塵劫記|}}, najstaršego matematičnogo teksta Japonije. Originalno izdavanje bylo opublikovano v lětu 1627 i imělo mnogo grěšek, věčšinstvo ktoryh bylo izpravjeno v izdavanju 1631 goda. V lětu 1634 izšlo ješče jedno izdavanje, kde opet bylo izměnjeno několiko veličin. Vyše uvedeno razhodženje jest obuslovjeno nesuglasnostju dvoh poslědnjih izdavanij. Sut razne znaky za 10{{sup|24}} (to jest {{lang|ja|秭}} v kitajskom jezyku tutčas), i po 10{{sup|48}} oni odličajut se tym, že prodolžajut s povyšenjem faktora 10{{sup|4}} ili prěključajut se na faktor 10{{sup|8}}. Ako koristaje se faktor 10{{sup|8}}, medžuintervalne koeficienty 10{{sup|4}} zakryvajut s pomočju {{Nihongo|万|man}}. Nastoječe izdavanje {{lang|en|Jinkōki}}, 11-to, slěduje faktoru 10{{sup|4}} črez cělu sistemu, hoti něktori ljudi ješče koristajut veličiny iz 8-go izdavanja daže tutčas. Poslědnje tri čisla s mnogoslogovymi nazvanjami i razhodženjem veličin v koncu koncev izvodet se iz Indije, hoti tam oni ne iměli oprědeljennyh veličin. {{Nihongo|恒河沙|''gōgasha''}} prvonačelno koristalo se v budističskyh traktatah za označevanje bezměrno ogromnogo; ono proizhodi iz [[Sanskrit|sanskritskogo]] {{lang|sa|गङ्गा}} {{lang|en|gangā}} '[[Ganges|Ganga]]' (čto udobno vključaje znaky {{Nihongo|'rěka'|河|ka}} i {{Nihongo|'pěsok'|沙|sha}}, odsylajuči k neizčislimomu množstvu čestic pěska na rěkě Ganga. {{Nihongo|阿僧祇|''asōgi''|}}, od sanskritnogo {{lang|sa|असंख्येय}} {{lang|en|asaṃkhyeya}} 'neizčisljimy/bezčislny', s negativnym prefiksom {{Nihongo|阿|''a''|}}, i {{Nihongo|那由他|''nayuta''}} od sanskritnogo {{lang|sa|नयुत/नयुतः}} {{lang|en|nayuta(ḥ)}}. Dalje, cifry sut terminami iz [[Budizm|Budizma]], prěvedene na kitajsky ili iztvorjene na njem, ktorym pozdněje pridělali čislne značenja: {{Nihongo|'nevoobrazimy'|不可思議|fukashigi}} i {{Nihongo|'bezměrno veliko čislo'|無量大数|muryōtaisū}}. Priměry: ''(razděljenje na grupy iz četyreh cifr jest privedeno samo za cěljem lěpšego objasnjenja)'' *1 0000 : {{Nihongo|一万|ichi-man}} *983 6703 : {{Nihongo|九百八十三万 六千七百三|kyū-hyaku hachi-jū san-man, roku-sen nana-hyaku san}} *20 3652 1801 : {{Nihongo|二十億 三千六百五十二万 千八百一|ni-jū oku, san-zen rop-pyaku go-jū ni-man, sen hap-pyaku ichi}} Jednakože, Čisla, napisane arabskymi ciframi, razděljaut na grupy po tri cifry, kako to jest prijeto v anglogovorečih državah. Pri koristanju arabskyh cifr i kandži razom, zapadny sposob zapisu može se koristati za čisla, menši 10,000, ale s {{-|''man''}}, ako čislo je večšo (napr. {{lang|ja|2,500万}} za 25,000,000). Ako v japonskom jezyku dolge čisla sit zapisyvane v kandži, nuly opuskajut za vse stupnje deseti. Tako, 4002 bude {{lang|ja|四千二}} (naprotiv, v kitajskom jezyku trěba použiti {{lang|zh|零}} vsekde vměsto nuly, napr. {{lang|zh|四千零二}} za 4002). Ale, pri čitanju učetovodnyh sprav, napriměr, opuštene cifry inogda označajut {{Nihongo|飛び|tobi}} ili {{Nihongo|飛んで|tonde}}: v našem priměru 4002 {{lang|en|yon-sen '''tobi''' ni}} ili {{lang|en|yon-sen '''tonde''' ni}} vměsto obyčnogo {{lang|en|yon-sen ni}}. === Drobne čisla === Japonsky jezyk imaje dvě sistemy čislovnikov za desetične droby. Oni uže ne koristajut se generalno, ale kako predže mogut se koristati v něktoryh slučajah, kako ukazatelje odbitja i zaščity bejsbolistov, procenty izigry sportovnyh ekip, i v něktoryh idiomatičnyh rěčenjah kako 五分五分の勝負 ({{-|''gobugobu no shōbu''}}, 'šans petdeset na petdeset', doslovno 'pet na pet'), ili kogda prědstavjajut procent rabata. The {{lang|en|bu}} fractions are also used when talking about fevers—for example {{Nihongo|九度二分|kudonibu}} for 9 and two parts—referring to the temperature 39.2°C. One system is as follows: {| class="wikitable" !align=left|Red |10{{sup|−1}} |10{{sup|−2}} |10{{sup|−3}} |10{{sup|−4}} |10{{sup|−5}} |10{{sup|−6}} |10{{sup|−7}} |10{{sup|−8}} |10{{sup|−9}} |10{{sup|−10}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|分}} |{{lang|ja|厘}} |{{lang|ja|毛}} |{{lang|ja|糸}} |{{lang|ja|忽}} |{{lang|ja|微}} |{{lang|ja|繊}} |{{lang|ja|沙}} |{{lang|ja|塵}} |{{lang|ja|埃}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|jen|bu}} |{{lang|en|rin}} |{{lang|en|mō}} |{{lang|en|shi}} |{{lang|en|kotsu}} |{{lang|en|bi}} |{{lang|en|sen}} |{{lang|en|sha}} |{{lang|en|jin}} |{{lang|en|ai}} |} This is the system used with the traditional [[Japanese units of measurement]]. Several of the names are used "as is" to represent a fraction of a [[cun (unit)|{{lang|en|sun}}]]. The other system of representing these decimal fractions of rate or discount uses a system "shifted down" with a {{lang|ja|bu}} becoming a "one hundredth" and so on, and the unit for "tenth" becoming {{lang|ja|wari}}: {| class="wikitable" !align=left|Red |10{{sup|−1}} |10{{sup|−2}} |10{{sup|−3}} |10{{sup|−4}} |10{{sup|−5}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|割}} |{{lang|ja|分}} |{{lang|ja|厘}} |{{lang|ja|毛}} |{{lang|ja|糸}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|en|wari}} |{{lang|en|bu}} |{{lang|en|rin}} |{{lang|en|mō}} |{{lang|en|shi}} |} This is often used with prices. For example: *{{Nihongo|一割五分引き|ichi-wari go-bu biki}}: 15% discount *{{Nihongo|打率三割八分九厘|daritsu san-wari hachi-bu kyū-rin}}: batting average .389 With the exception of {{lang|ja|wari}}, these are rarely seen in modern usage. Decimal fractions are typically written with either kanji numerals (vertically) or Arabic numerals (horizontally), preceded by a decimal point, and are read as successive digits, as in Western convention. Note that, in written form, they can be combined with either the traditional system of expressing numerals (42.195 kilometers: {{lang|ja|四十二・一九五 キロメートル}}), in which powers of ten are written, or with the place value system, which uses zero (50.04 percent: {{lang|ja|五〇・〇四 パーセント.}}) In both cases, however, the reading follows the traditional system ({{lang|en|yon-jū ni-ten ichi-kyū go kiromētoru}} for 42.195 kilometers; {{lang|en|go ju-tten rei-yon pāsento}} for 50.04 percent.) == В именах == Существуют имена {{нихонго|[[Millennium Actress|Тиёко]]|千代子||дословно «тысяча лет» (женское)}}, {{нихонго|Тидзуру|千鶴||дословно «тысяча [[Японский журавль|журавлей]]» (женское)}}, {{нихонго|Тикао|千禾夫||дословно «муж — тысяча колосьев»}}, фамилия {{нихонго|Титака|千鷹||дословно «тысяча соколов»}}. Одна из японских префектур называется {{нихонго|[[Тиба (префектура)|Тиба]]|千葉||дословно «тысяча листьев»}}. В [[аниме]] «[[Унесённые призраками]]» обыгрывается неоднозначность прочтения иероглифа 千 — «сэн» или «ти»: имя главной героини — {{нихонго|Тихиро|千尋||дословно «тысяча [[Японская система мер#Меры длины|хиро]]», «бездонная глубина»}}; колдунья «забирает» имя у Тихиро, оставляя ей только один иероглиф и меняя его прочтение. Отныне Тихиро зовётся {{нихонго|Сэн|千||тысяча}}. Кроме того, есть последовательность мужских имён, которыми называют детей по порядку рождения: # {{нихонго|Итиро|一郎|итиро:|первый сын}}, # {{нихонго|Дзиро|二郎|дзиро:|второй сын}}, # {{нихонго|Сабуро|三郎|сабуро:}}, # {{нихонго|Сиро|四郎|сиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Горо|五郎|горо:}}, # {{нихонго|Рокуро|六郎|рокуро:}}, # {{нихонго|Ситиро|七郎|ситиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Хатиро|八郎|хатиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Куро|九郎|куро:}}, # {{нихонго|Дзюро|十郎|дзю:ро:}}, # {{нихонго|Тоитиро|十一郎|тоитиро:}} или {{нихонго|Дзюитиро|十一郎|дзю:итиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Дзюдзиро|十二郎|дзю:дзиро:}}, # {{нихонго|Тосабуро|十三郎|тосабуро:}} или {{нихонго|Дзюсабуро|十三郎|дзю:сабуро:}}. После [[Вторая мировая война|Второй мировой войны]] имена «больше» Сабуро почти вышли из употребления. Кроме указанных имён есть даже {{нихонго|Дзюсиро|十四郎|дзю:сиро:|четырнадцатый сын}} и {{нихонго|Хякуро|百郎|хякуро:|сотый сын}}: их, кроме прочих, носят актёр [[Кабуки]] [[Коноэ, Дзюсиро|Дзюсиро Коноэ]] (近衛 十四郎) и [[мангака]] [[Мурасаки, Хякуро|Хякуро Мурасаки]] (村崎 百郎). == Formalne čislovniky == [[File:Shoe Boxes (743286602).jpg|thumb|{{lang|en|[[Getabako]]}}]] As with Chinese numerals, there exists in Japanese a separate set of kanji for numerals called {{Nihongo||大字|'''daiji'''}} used in legal and financial documents to prevent unscrupulous individuals from adding a stroke or two, turning a one into a two or a three. The formal numbers are identical to the [[Chinese financial numerals|Chinese formal numbers]] except for minor stroke variations. Today, the numbers for one, two, three, and ten are written only in their formal form in legal documents (the numbers 4 to 9 as well as 100, 1000 and 10000 are written identically to the common ones, cf. table below).<ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:大正十一年大蔵省令第四十三号 (会計法規ニ基ク出納計算ノ数字及記載事項ノ訂正ニ関スル件) |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/T11/T11F03401000043.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023833/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/T11/T11F03401000043.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『第一条: 会計法規ニ基ク出納計算ニ関スル諸書類帳簿ニ記載スル金額其ノ他ノ数量ニシテ「一」、「二」、「三」、「十」、「廿」、「卅」ノ数字ハ「壱」、「弐」、「参」、「拾」、「弐拾」、「参拾」ノ字体ヲ用ユヘシ但横書ヲ為ストキハ「アラビア」数字ヲ用ユルコトヲ得』}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:戸籍法施行規則 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S22/S22F00501000094.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023839/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S22/S22F00501000094.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:「第三十一条 2: 年月日を記載するには、壱、弐、参、拾の文字を用いなければならない。」}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:小切手振出等事務取扱規程 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S26/S26F03401000020.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023849/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S26/S26F03401000020.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『附則 (昭和四〇年四月一日大蔵省令第二〇号) 2: 小切手の券面金額は、当分の間、所定の金額記載欄に、漢数字により表示することができる。この場合においては、「一」、「二」、「三」及び「十」の字体は、それぞれ「壱」、「弐」、「参」及び「拾」の漢字を用い、かつ、所定の金額記載欄の上方余白に当該金額記載欄に記載の金額と同額をアラビア数字で副記しなければならない。』}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:商業登記規則 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S39/S39F03201000023.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20090202084605/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S39/S39F03201000023.html |archive-date=2009-02-02 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『第四十八条 2: 金銭その他の物の数量、年月日及び番号を記載するには、「壱、弐、参、拾」の文字を用いなければならない。ただし、横書きをするときは、アラビヤ数字を用いることができる。』}}</ref> These numbers' common forms can be changed to a higher value by adding strokes (1 and 2 were explained above, while 3 can be changed to 5, and 10 to 1000). In some cases, the digit 1 is explicitly written like {{lang|ja|壱百壱拾}} for 110, as opposed to {{lang|ja|百十}} in common writing. Formal numbers: {| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center" ! rowspan="2" | Number ! rowspan="2" | Common ! colspan="2" | Formal |- ! In use !! Obsolete |- | align="right" | 1 || {{lang|ja|一}} || {{lang|ja|壱}} || {{lang|ja|壹}} |- | align="right" | 2 || {{lang|ja|二}} || {{lang|ja|弐}} || {{lang|ja|貳}} |- | align="right" | 3 || {{lang|ja|三}} || {{lang|ja|参}} || {{lang|ja|參}} |- | align="right" | 4 || {{lang|ja|四}} || {{lang|ja|四}} || {{lang|ja|肆}} |- | align="right" | 5 || {{lang|ja|五}} || {{lang|ja|五}} || {{lang|ja|伍}} |- | align="right" | 6 || {{lang|ja|六}} || {{lang|ja|六}} || {{lang|ja|陸}} |- | align="right" | 7 || {{lang|ja|七}} || {{lang|ja|七}} || {{lang|ja|柒}}, {{lang|ja|漆}} |- | align="right" | 8 || {{lang|ja|八}} || {{lang|ja|八}} || {{lang|ja|捌}} |- | align="right" | 9 || {{lang|ja|九}} || {{lang|ja|九}} || {{lang|ja|玖}} |- | align="right" | 10 || {{lang|ja|十}} || {{lang|ja|拾}} || {{lang|ja|拾}} |- | align="right" | 100 || {{lang|ja|百}} || {{lang|ja|百}} || {{lang|ja|佰}} |- | align="right" | 1000 || {{lang|ja|千}} || {{lang|ja|千}} || {{lang|ja|阡}}, {{lang|ja|仟}} |- | align="right" | 10000 || {{lang|ja|万}} || {{lang|ja|万}}, {{lang|ja|萬}} || {{lang|ja|萬}} |} The four current [[banknotes of the Japanese yen]], 1000-yen, 2000-yen, 5000-yen, and 10000-yen, have formal numbers {{lang|ja|千}}, {{lang|ja|弐千}}, {{lang|ja|五千}}, and {{lang|ja|壱万}}, respectively. ==V starojaponskom jezyku== [[Old Japanese]] shares some vocabulary with later periods, but there are also unique number terms over 10 which are not used any more, aside from being parts of specific [[lexeme]]s. Notes: * The transcription is based on the [[phoneme]] and is not [[phonetics|phonetic]]. See [[Old Japanese]] for further information. * See {{lang|ja|[[Jōdai Tokushu Kanazukai]]}} for information on subscript notation. <!--NOTE: Please do NOT change /h/ to /p/. The transcription is phonemic, not phonetic. While it must have been [p] at some time in the past, during the Old Japanese period it was [ɸ]. --> {| class="wikitable" ! Čislo ! Izgovor ! Priklady ! Primětky |- | align="right" | 1 | [[wiktionary:一#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|一日}} {{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂pi₁}} (1 day), {{lang|ojp|一年}} {{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂to₂se}} (1 year) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 2 | [[wiktionary:二#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|futa}}]] | {{lang|ojp|二夜}} {{lang|ojp|futayo₂}} (2 nights) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 3 | [[wiktionary:三#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|mi₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|三十}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁so₁}} (30) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 4 | [[wiktionary:四#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|yo₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|四十}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂so₁}} (40), {{lang|ojp|四人}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂tari}} (4 people) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 5 | [[wiktionary:五#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|itu}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五年}} {{lang|ojp|ituto₂se}} (5 years) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 6 | [[wiktionary:六#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|mu}}]] | {{lang|ojp|六爪}} {{lang|ojp|mutuma}} (6 claws) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 7 | [[wiktionary:七#Noun|{{lang|ojp|nana}}]] | {{lang|ojp|七瀬}} {{lang|ojp|nanase}} (many rapids) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 8 | [[wiktionary:八#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|ya}}]] | {{lang|ojp|八雲}} {{lang|ojp|yakumo₁}} (many clouds) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 9 | [[wiktionary:九#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|九柱}} {{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂pasira}} (9 nobles / gods) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 10 | [[wiktionary:十#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|to₂}}]] / [[wiktionary:十#Noun 3|{{lang|ojp|to₂wo}}]] | {{lang|ojp|十日}} {{lang|ojp|to₂woka}} (10 days) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 10 | [[wiktionary:十#Noun|{{lang|ojp|so₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|三十}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁so₁}} (30), {{lang|ojp|四十}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂so₁}} (40), {{lang|ojp|六十}} {{lang|ojp|muso₁}} (60), {{lang|ojp|八十}} {{lang|ojp|yaso₁}} (80) | Found only in compound words; not used alone. |- | align="right" | 20 | [[wiktionary:二十#Noun|{{lang|ojp|pata}}]] | {{lang|ojp|二十}} {{lang|ojp|patati}} (20), {{lang|ojp|二十人}} {{lang|ojp|patatari}} (20 people), {{lang|ojp|二十年}} {{lang|ojp|patato₂se}} (20 years) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 50 | [[wiktionary:五十|{{lang|ojp|i}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五十日}} {{lang|ojp|ika}} (50 days) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 100 | [[wiktionary:百#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|po}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五百}} {{lang|ojp|ipo}} (500), {{lang|ojp|五百年}} {{lang|ojp|ipoto₂se}} (500 years), {{lang|ojp|五百夜}} {{lang|ojp|ipoyo₂}} (500 nights), {{lang|ojp|八百}} {{lang|ojp|yapo}} (800), {{lang|ojp|三百}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁po}} (300), {{lang|ojp|六百}} {{lang|ojp|mupo}} (600), {{lang|ojp|九百}} {{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂po}} (900) | Used for multiple hundreds in compound numerals. Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 100 | [[wiktionary:百#Noun 3|{{lang|ojp|mo₁mo₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|百日}} {{lang|ojp|mo₁mo₁ka}} (many days) | Used for non-multiple hundred and for the number "100" by itself. Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 1000 | [[wiktionary:千#Noun|{{lang|ojp|ti}}]] | {{lang|ojp|千年}} {{lang|ojp|tito₂se}} (1000 years, many years) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 10000 | [[wiktionary:万#Noun|{{lang|ojp|yo₂ro₂du}}]] | {{lang|ojp|八百万}} {{lang|ojp|yapoyo₂ro₂du}} (8000000, myriad) | Often used to mean many. |} ==Sčitanje na prstah== Japanese uses separate systems for counting for oneself and for displaying numbers to others, which both proceed up to ten. For counting, one begins with the palm open, then counts up to five by curling up (folding down) the fingers, starting from the thumb – thus one has just the thumb down (and others extended), while four has only the little finger extended, and five has a fist. One then counts up to ten by proceeding in the reverse order, extending the fingers, starting at the little finger – thus six is the same as four, seven the same as three, and so forth, with ten ending with the palm open. While this introduces ambiguity, it is not used to present to others, so this is generally not a problem. When displaying for others, one starts with the hand closed, and extends fingers, starting with the index, going to the little finger, then ending with the thumb, as in the United States. For numbers above five, one uses an open hand (indicating five) and places the appropriate number of fingers from the other hand against the palm (palms facing each other) – so six has the index finger against the palm, and so forth.<ref>{{Cite web| url = http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/aa112198.htm| title = Counting on one's fingers. About.com, Japanese Language, Namiko Abe| archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20130120143955/http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/aa112198.htm |archive-date = 2013-01-20}}</ref> To display ten, one presents both hands open and palm outwards. == Zapisyvanje cifr slovami == Since the adoption of [[Arabic numerals]], it has become more and more common for numbers to be written using them. Counters and ordinal numbers are typically written in Arabic numbers, such as {{nihongo|three people|3人|san-nin}}, {{nihongo|July, "seventh-month"|7月|shichigatsu}}, {{nihongo|age 20|20歳|hatachi}}, etc., although {{lang|ja|三人}}, {{lang|ja|七月}} and {{lang|ja|二十歳}} are also acceptable to write (albeit less common). However, numbers that are part of lexemes are typically written in kanji. For example, the term {{nihongo|'vegetable stand / grocer'|八百屋|yaoya}} translates into "800 store" and uses the Old Japanese pronunciation for 800, {{lang|ojp|ya(h)o}}. The notorious Japanese organized crime syndicate, the [[yakuza]], can be written {{lang|ja|八九三}} (or 893), a hand in {{lang|en|[[Oicho-Kabu|oicho-kabu]]}} that is worth 0 points, indicating that yakuza are "worthless persons" or "gambling persons".<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://www.sljfaq.org/afaq/yakuza.html |title=What is the origin of yakuza? |website=www.sljfaq.org |access-date=2016-03-24}}</ref> ==Zrite takože== *[[Chinese numerals]] *[[Decimal separator]] *[[Japanese counter word]] *[[Japanese people]] *[[Japanese wordplay#Numeric substitution|Japanese wordplay § Numeric substitution]] == Referencije == {{Iztočniky}} ==Vnješnje linky== <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> * {{lang|ja|[http://www.moroo.com/uzokusou/misc/suumei/suumei.html 大数の名前について]}} (na japonskom jezyku) * {{Cite web |url= http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanese.html | title = Ancient Japanese number system| archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20180829030749/http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanese.html |archive-date=2018-08-29}} * [http://www.solosequenosenada.com/gramatica/japanese/Learn_Japanese_Numbers.php English exercises for learning Japanese numerals] * [https://web.archive.org/web/20090324035049/http://www.learnjapanesewordsandphrases.com/learnjapanesenumbers.html Audio to learn the pronunciation for Japanese numbers] * [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/kanjinumbers.cgi Convert kanji numerals to arabic numerals] (sci. lang. Japan FAQ page) * [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/numbers.cgi Convert arabic numerals to kanji numerals] (sci. lang. Japan FAQ page) </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese numerals|}} [[Kategorija:Čisla]] [[Kategorija:Japonsky jezyk]] [[Kategorija:Čislovniky]] {{INTERWIKI|Q1337084}} {{Kartka osoba | name = Viktor Coj | native_name = <center>{{Jezyky|ru|Виктор Цой}}</center> | image = [[Fajl:Victor Tsoi 1986.jpg|thumb|center|Viktor Coj v lětu 1986]] | alt = | caption = | birth_name = Viktor Robertovič Coj | birth_date = {{birth date|1962|6|21|df=yes}} | birth_place = [[Sankt-Peterburg|Leningrad]], [[Rosijska Sovětska Federativna Socialističska Republika|RSFSR]], [[Sovětsky Sojuz]] | death_date = {{death date and age|1990|8|15|1962|6|21|df=yes}} | death_place = [[Latvijska Sovětska Socialističska Republika|Latvijska SSR]], Sovětsky Sojuz | death_cause = Avto avarija | resting_place = Bogoslovskoje grobišče, Sankt-Peterburg | occupation = {{Flatlist| * pěvec * avtor pěsnjej * avtor muziky * aktor * avangardny umětnik }} | years_active = 1978–1990 | spouse = {{Plainlist| * Marianna Coj, od 1984 }} | children = [[Aleksandr Coj]], rod. 1985 | module = {{Kartka muzikant|embed=yes <!-- See Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians --> | background = solo_singer <!-- mandatory format: please do not change or remove --> | instrument = {{flatlist| * [[Vokal|vokal]] * [[Gitara|gitara]] * [[Bas-gitara|bas-gitara]] }} | genre = {{Flatlist| * [[Post-punk|post-pank]] * [[New wave (muzika)|nova volna]] * [[gotičny rok]] * [[Punk|pank rok]] }} | label = {{Flatlist| * [[AnTrop]] * [[Firma Melodija|Melodija]] }} | current_member_of = {{Flatlist| * [[Kino (grupa)|Kino]] * [[Avtomatičeskije udovletvoriteli]] * [[Sergej Kurjohin]] }} }} }} Tuto jest peskovišče. [[File:Nihongo.svg|thumb|right|100px| 日本語 (Japonsky jezyk)]] '''Japonsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|ja|日本語 {{!}} にほんご}} | {{-|''Nihongo'' [nʲiho̞ŋːo̞]}}) <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> </span> == Referencije == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese language|}} [[Kategorija:Jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5287}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} f5ils1zavqe5m3hni7fkauysfjxz8eo 27939 27938 2026-07-03T10:01:16Z Ilja isv 10 /* В именах */ 27939 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=July 2026}} {{-|''Under construction''}} {{nihongo|'''Japonske čislovniky'''|数詞|sūshi}} sut [[Čislovnik (lingvistika)|čislovniky]], koristane v [[Japonsky jezyk|japonskom jezyku]]. V pismennosti oni sut jednake s [[Kitajske čislovniky|kitajskymi čislovnikami]], I velike čisla slědujut kitajskomu stilju s grupovanjem po 10,000. Koristajut se dva izgovory: Sino-Japonsko čitanje ([[On'yomi|{{lang|en|on'yomi}}]]) i Japonsko čitanje {{lang|en|[[Wago|yamato kotoba]]}} (rodne slova, {{lang|en|[[kun'yomi]]}}) [[Kitajske hieroglify|kitajskyh hieroglifov]]. ==Čisla v japonskom jezyku== Sut dva sposoby, kako pisati čisla na japonskom jezyku: [[Arabske cifry|arabskymi ciframi]] (1, 2, 3) ili [[Kitajske čislovniky|kitajskymi čislovnikami]] ({{lang|zh|一}}, {{lang|zh|二}}, {{lang|zh|三}}). Arabske čisla sut vyše često koristane pri [[Horizontalno i vertikalno pisanje v Iztočno aziatskoj pismennosti|horizontalnom pisanju]], a kitajske čisla sut vyše obyčajne pri [[Horizontalno i vertikalno pisanje v Iztočno aziatskoj pismennosti|vertikalnom pisanju]]. Věčšinstvo čisel imaje dva čitanja, kako i večšinstvo [[Kanji|kandži]], to, ktoro jest izvedeno od kitajskogo čitanja, koristaje se za redne čislovniky ([[on'yomi|čitanje {{lang|en|On}}]] ) a rodno japonsko čitanje ([[kun'yomi|čitanje {{lang|en|Kun}}]]) koristaje se nemnogo menje formalno za čisla do 10. V něktoryh slučajah (privedenyh dole), jsponsko čitanje obyčno jest preferovano za vse izkoristanja. Archaične čtanja sut označene †. {| class="wikitable nounderlines" ! Čislo ! Znak ! Čitanje {{lang|en|On}} ! Čitanje {{lang|en|Kun}}<ref>{{cite book |script-title=ja:スーパー大辞林 |trans-title=Super [[Daijirin]] |language=ja |publisher=[[Sanseidō]] }}</ref> ! Prědnostno čitanje |- | align="right" | [[0]] | {{lang|ja|零}} / {{lang|ja|〇}}{{sup|*}} | {{Nihongo||れい|rei}} | {{Nihongo||まる|maru}} | {{Nihongo||ゼロ|zero}} ([[Pozajetje (lingvistika)|pozajetje]], {{lang|en|[[Loanwords in Japanese|gairaigo]]}}) |- | align="right" | [[1]] | {{lang|ja|一}} | {{Nihongo||いち|ichi}} | {{Nihongo||ひと・つ|hito(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||いち|ichi}} |- | align="right" | [[2]] | {{lang|ja|二}} | {{Nihongo||に|ni}} | {{Nihongo||ふた・つ|futa(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||に|ni}} |- | align="right" | [[3]] | {{lang|ja|三}} | {{Nihongo||さん|san}} | {{Nihongo||みっ・つ|mit(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||さん|san}} |- | align="right" | [[4]] | {{lang|ja|四}} | {{Nihongo||し|shi}} | {{lang|en|yon}}, {{Nihongo||よん、よっ・つ|yot(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||よん|yon}} |- | align="right" | [[5]] | {{lang|ja|五}} | {{Nihongo||ご|go}} | {{Nihongo||いつ・つ|itsu(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||ご|go}} |- | align="right" | [[6]] | {{lang|ja|六}} | {{Nihongo||ろく|roku}} | {{Nihongo||むっ・つ|mut(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||ろく|roku}} |- | align="right" | [[7]] | {{lang|ja|七}} | {{Nihongo||しち|shichi}} | {{Nihongo||なな・つ|nana(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||なな|nana}} |- | align="right" | [[8]] | {{lang|ja|八}} | {{Nihongo||はち|hachi}} | {{Nihongo||やっ・つ|yat(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||はち|hachi}} |- | align="right" | [[9]] | {{lang|ja|九}} | {{lang|ja|ku}}, {{Nihongo||く, きゅう|kyū}} | {{Nihongo||ここの・つ|kokono(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||きゅう|kyū}} |- | align="right" | [[10]] | {{lang|ja|十}} | {{Nihongo||じゅう|jū}} | {{Nihongo||とお|tō}} | {{Nihongo||じゅう|jū}} |- | align="right" | [[20 (number)|20]] | {{lang|ja|二十}} | {{Nihongo||にじゅう|ni-jū}} | {{Nihongo||はた|hata}}† | {{Nihongo||にじゅう|ni-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[30 (number)|30]] | {{lang|ja|三十}} | {{Nihongo||さんじゅう|san-jū}} | {{Nihongo||みそ|miso}}† | {{Nihongo||さんじゅう|san-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[40 (number)|40]] | {{lang|ja|四十}} | {{Nihongo||しじゅう|shi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||よそ|yoso}}† | {{Nihongo||よんじゅう|yon-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[50 (number)|50]] | {{lang|ja|五十}} | {{Nihongo||ごじゅう|go-jū}} | {{Nihongo||いそ|iso}}† | {{Nihongo||ごじゅう|go-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[60 (number)|60]] | {{lang|ja|六十}} | {{Nihongo||ろくじゅう|roku-jū}} | {{Nihongo||むそ|muso}}† | {{Nihongo||ろくじゅう|roku-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[70 (number)|70]] | {{lang|ja|七十}} | {{Nihongo||しちじゅう|shichi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||ななそ|nanaso}}† | {{Nihongo||ななじゅう|nana-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[80 (number)|80]] | {{lang|ja|八十}} | {{Nihongo||はちじゅう|hachi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||やそ|yaso}}† | {{Nihongo||はちじゅう|hachi-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[90 (number)|90]] | {{lang|ja|九十}} | {{Nihongo||くじゅう|ku-jū}} | {{Nihongo||ここのそ|kokonoso}}† | {{Nihongo||きゅうじゅう|kyū-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[100]] | {{lang|ja|百}} | {{Nihongo||ひゃく|hyaku}} | {{Nihongo||もも|momo}}† | {{Nihongo||ひゃく|hyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[500 (number)|500]] | {{lang|ja|五百}} | {{Nihongo||ごひゃく|go-hyaku}} | {{Nihongo||いお|io}}† | {{Nihongo||ごひゃく|go-hyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[800 (number)|800]] | {{lang|ja|八百}} | {{Nihongo||はっぴゃく|hap-pyaku}} | {{Nihongo||やお|yao}}† | {{Nihongo||はっぴゃく|hap-pyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[1000 (number)|1,000]] | {{lang|ja|千}} | {{Nihongo||せん|sen}} | {{Nihongo||ち|chi}}† | {{Nihongo||せん|sen}} |- | align="right" | [[10,000]] | {{lang|ja|万}} | {{Nihongo||まん|man}} | {{Nihongo||よろず|yorozu}}† | {{Nihongo||まん|man}} |- | align="right" | [[100,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|億}} | {{Nihongo||おく|oku}} |— | {{Nihongo||おく|oku}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)#1012|1,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|兆}} | {{Nihongo||ちょう|chō}} |— | {{Nihongo||ちょう|chō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10,000,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|京}} | {{Nihongo||けい|kei}} |— | {{Nihongo||けい|kei}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|100,000,000,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|垓}} | {{Nihongo||がい|gai}} |— | {{Nihongo||がい|gai}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10²⁴]] | {{lang|ja|𥝱}} | {{Nihongo||じょ|jo}} |— | {{Nihongo||じょ|jo}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10²⁸]] | {{lang|ja|穣}} | {{Nihongo||じょう|jō}} |— | {{Nihongo||じょう|jō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10³²]] | {{lang|ja|溝}} | {{Nihongo||こう|kō}} |— | {{Nihongo||こう|kō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10³⁶]] | {{lang|ja|澗}} | {{Nihongo||かん|kan}} |— | {{Nihongo||かん|kan}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁰]] | {{lang|ja|正}} | {{Nihongo||せい|sei}} |— | {{Nihongo||せい|sei}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁴]] | {{lang|ja|載}} | {{Nihongo||さい|sai}} |— | {{Nihongo||さい|sai}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁸]] | {{lang|ja|極}} | {{Nihongo||ごく|goku}} |— | {{Nihongo||ごく|goku}} |} <small><nowiki>*</nowiki> Imaje se takože specialno čitanje 〇 ({{-|''maru''}}), čto označaje "krugly" ili "krug". Ono može koristati se opcionalno, kogda čitajut se odděljene cifry v nomeru jedna po jednoj, vměsto vsego čisla. Polpularnym priměrim jest [[109 (trgovy dom)|znamenity magazin "109"]] v četvrti [[Shibuya|Šibuja, Tokio]], ktory čitaje se kako {{lang|en|ichi-maru-kyū}} (Kandži: {{lang|ja|一〇九}}). (On takože može čitati se kako 'deset-devet'— izgovarjaje se {{lang|en|tō-kyū}} — čto jest igra slov s nazvanjem tokijskogo trgovogo doma, ktory vladaje budynkom.) Tuto izkoristanje {{lang|en|maru}} za čislnu 0 jest podobno poněkogdomu čitanju čisla 0 v anglijskom jezyku kako {{-| ''oh''}}. Jednakože, kako čislo, jego jedino zapisyvajut kako 0 ili {{Nihongo|零|{{-|rei}}}}. Čtovyše, dva i pet igovarjajut s dolgoju samoglaskoju v telefoničnyh nomerah (napr. {{lang|ja|にい}} {{lang|en|nī}} i {{lang|ja|ごお}} {{lang|en|gō}}). Čisla poslě {{lang|en|kei}} koristajut rědko. Tym ne menje, oni sut prědstavjene tut.</small> Kako odměčaje se vyše, {{lang|en|yon}} (4) i {{lang|en|nana}} (7) sut uprědnostnjene nad {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}}. Prědpokladaje se, že tuto jest svezano s tym, že {{lang|en|shi}} jest takože čitanjem slova 死 (smrt), čto děljae jego neščestlivym čitanjem (gledite [[tetrafobija]]); dokolě {{lang|en|shichi}} može zvučati velmi slično s {{lang|en|ichi}} (1), {{lang|en|shi}} ili {{lang|en|hachi}} (8). Jednakože, v cělom redu stanovjenyh slov i rěčenij, {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}} sut stale preferovane; tako, pri sčitanju (kako v {{lang|en|"ichi, ni, san, shi,..."}}), {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}} mogut iměti prědnost. Čislo 9 takože mněvaje se nesčestlivym; kogda izgovarjaje se {{lang|en|ku}}, ono sozvučno 苦 (stradanje). Čislo 13 poněkogda mněvaje se nesčestlivym, ale jest to kalka [[Triskaidekafobia|zapadnoj tradicije]]. Naprotiv, 7 i poněkogda 8 mněvajut se sčestlivymy u japoncev.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://lingualift.com/blog/lucky-unlucky-numbers-japan/|title=The number of death: Lucky and unlucky numbers in Japan|website=The Science of Language Self-Study {{!}} LinguaLift Blog|access-date=2016-03-24}}</ref> V sovrěmennom japonskom jezyku, redne čislovniky pomimo 4 i 7 sut obyčno koristane v čitanju {{lang|en|on}}. Alternativno čitanje byvaje v nazvah měsecev, čislah dnjev v měsecu i stalyh izrazah; napriměr, april, julij, i september nazyvajut se {{lang|en|'''shi'''-gatsu}} (4. měsec), {{lang|en|'''shichi'''-gatsu}} (7. měsec), i {{lang|en|'''ku'''-gatsu}} (9. měsec). Čitanja {{lang|en|on}} takože koristajut pri prěklikanju dlja sčitanja ljudij (nap. {{lang|en|ichi-ni-san-shi}}). Večši čisla dělajut, kombinujuči tute elementy: *desetky od 20 do 90 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-jū}}" kako od {{Nihongo|二十|{{-|ni-jū}}}} do {{Nihongo|九十|{{-|kyū-jū}}}}. *sotky od 200 do 900 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-hyaku}}". *tyseče od 2000 do 9000 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-sen}}". Počinajuči od {{Nihongo|miriady|万}}, čisla začinajut se s {{Nihongo|一|{{-|ichi}}}}, jestlu ne jest prisutna ina cifra. Tako, 100 bude prosto {{Nihongo|百|{{-|hyaku}}}}, 1000 jest prosto {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}, ale 10000 uže{{Nihongo|一万|{{-|ichiman}}}}, vměsto prosto {{lang|en|man}}. (Tuto odličaje se od [[Kitajsky jezyk|kitajskogo jezyka]], kde čisla začinajut se c {{lang|zh|一}} ako ne jest druga ina cifra prěd njeju, uže od 100.) I jestli {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}neposrědnje prědhodi nazvě kolikosti [[Miriada|miriad]], prěd {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}obyčno dodavajut {{Nihongo|一|{{-|ichi}}}}, čto davaje {{Nihongo|一千|{{-|issen}}}}. Tako, 10,000,000 (bukvalno 1000,0000) obyčno čitajut kako {{Nihongo|一千万|{{-|issenman}}}}. Ale ako {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}} ''ne'' premo prědhodi kolikosti myriad, dodavanje {{Nihongo|一|ichi}}jest opcionalno. Tako, 15,000,000 (1500,0000) čitaje se kako {{Nihongo|千五百万|sengohyakuman}} ili {{Nihongo|一千五百万|issengohyakuman}}, ravno i kako 1500 čitaje se {{Nihongo|千五百|sengohyaku}}ili {{Nihongo|一千五百|issengohyaku}}. Sut i něktore fonetične modifikacije v ozvučanju něktoryh velikyh čisel, [[Oglasovanje i obezglasovanje suglasok|oglasovanje]] ili [[gemacija]] něktoryh suglasok, kako to često byvaje v japonskom jezyku (napr. {{lang|en|[[rendaku]]}}): napr. {{lang|en|roku}} "šest" i {{lang|en|hyaku}} "sto" dělajut {{lang|en|roppyaku}} "šestsot". {| class="wikitable" ! × !! 1 !! 2 !! 3 !! 4 !! 5 !! 6 !! 7 !! 8 !! 9 !! 10 !! 100 !! 1000 |- | align="right" | 100 | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hyaku, ippyaku}} | {{lang|en|nihyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sanbyaku}} | {{lang|en|yonhyaku}} | {{lang|en|gohyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|roppyaku}} | {{lang|en|nanahyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|happyaku}} | {{lang|en|kyūhyaku}} |— |— |— |- | align="right" | 1,000 | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sen, issen}} | {{lang|en|nisen}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sanzen}} | {{lang|en|yonsen}} | {{lang|en|gosen}} | {{lang|en|rokusen}} | {{lang|en|nanasen}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hassen}} | {{lang|en|kyūsen}} | — | — | — |- | align="right" | 10{{sup|12}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|itchō}} | {{lang|en|nichō}} | {{lang|en|sanchō}} | {{lang|en|yonchō}} | {{lang|en|gochō}} | {{lang|en|rokuchō}} | {{lang|en|nanachō}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hatchō}} | {{lang|en|kyūchō}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|jutchō}}* | {{lang|en|hyakuchō}} | {{lang|en|issenchō}} |- | align="right" | 10{{sup|16}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|ikkei}} | {{lang|en|nikei}} | {{lang|en|sankei}} | {{lang|en|yonkei}} | {{lang|en|gokei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|rokkei}} | {{lang|en|nanakei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hakkei}} | {{lang|en|kyūkei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|jukkei}}* | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hyakkei}}** | {{lang|en|issenkei}} |} <small><nowiki>*</nowiki> Takože priměnjaje se k kratnym 10. Koncovka měnjaje se od {{lang|en|-jū}} na {{lang|en|-jutchō}} ili {{lang|en|-jukkei}}.<br /><nowiki>**</nowiki> Takože priměnjaje se k kratnym 100. Koncovka {{lang|en|-ku}} měnjaje se na {{lang|en|-kkei}}.</small> V čislah nad 10, elementy sut soredjene, i ne koristajut se nuly. Japonske čislovniky imajut ne pozicijnu, a multiplikativno-aditivnu sistemu; da by napisati čislo 20, trěba napisati simbol {{Nihongo|"dva"|二}}, a potom simbol {{Nihongo|"deset"|十}}, da by polučiti dvě desetky ili {{Nihongo|"dvadeset"|二十}}. {| class="wikitable" ! Čislo !! Znaky !! Čitanje !Značenje |- | align="right" | 11 || {{lang|ja|十一}} || {{lang|en|jū ichi}} |deset i jedno |- | align="right" | 17 || {{lang|ja|十七}} || {{lang|en|jū nana, jū shichi}} |deset i sedm |- | align="right" | 151 || {{lang|ja|百五十一}} || {{lang|en|hyaku go-jū ichi}} |sto, pet desetok i jedno |- | align="right" | 302 || {{lang|ja|三百二}} || {{lang|en|san-byaku ni}} |tri sta i dva |- | align="right" | 469 || {{lang|ja|四百六十九}} || {{lang|en|yon-hyaku roku-jū kyū}} |četyri, šest desetok i devet |- | align="right" | 2025 || {{lang|ja|二千二十五}} || {{lang|en|ni-sen ni-jū go}} |dva tyseče, dvě desetky i pet |} ===Čislne redky i desetične čisla=== Japonske cifry od 1 do 9 obyčno se koristajut izolovano. Redky cifr imajut slegka inako čitanje s prodolženymi samoglaskami za 2 (''nī'') i 5 (''gō''), i menje često, 4 (''shī'') i 9 (''kū''). Tako dělajut zato, že kogda prěčisljajut cifry, ako možno, oni muset byti v grupah po dvě, každa iz njih musi sostojeti točno iz četyreh [[Mora (lingvistika)|mor]], čto dělaje neobhodnym prodolženje obyčno jednomornyh cifr kako ''ni'', ''go'', ''shi'' and ''ku''.<ref name=nhk-2005-2>{{cite web|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250622082124/https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20250601_1.html|url=https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20250601_1.html|archive-date=22 June 2025|lang=ja|script-title=ja:語の読み方（語形）について数字の読み方～小数の読み方～|work=NHK Bunken|publisher=NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute|last=Yamashita|first=Yōko|last2=Fujii|first2=Madoka|date=28 February 2025|access-date=23 September 2025|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250622082259/https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20180501_4.html|url=https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20180501_4.html|archive-date=22 June 2025|date=1 May 2018|lang=ja|script-title=ja:数詞の発音とアクセント|work=NHK Bunken|publisher=NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute|last=Sakurai|first=Shigeharu|last2=Akinaga|first2=Kazue|access-date=23 September 2025|url-status=live}}</ref> Napiměr, taky redok kako '''5'''4'''2'''62 se izgovarjaje {{-|'''''gō'''-yon '''nī'''-roku ni''}}, kde prve dvě grupy sut kvadrimoraične. [[Japonsko tonalno udarjenje|Udarjenje]] pri tom padaje prědposlědnju moru kažfoj grupy, ako li to jest možlivo, odsud {{-|[ɡoː jóɴ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲiː ɾókɯ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲí]}}.<ref name=hirayama-1961>{{cite book|lang=ja|script-title=ja:全国アクセント辞典|first=Teruo|last=Hirayama|publisher=Tōkyōdō|date=25 December 1961|p=897}}</ref> Tuto pravilo takože priměnjaje se k poslědnoj cifrě celoj česti čisla i ko vsim cifram desetičnoj česti desetičnogo čisla.<ref name=nhk-2005-2/><ref name=hirayama-1961/> Napriměr, tako desetično čislo kako 25'''2'''.'''25'''5 se izgovarjaje {{-|''nihyaku gojū '''nī'''-ten '''nī-gō''' go''}} {{-|[ɲiçjakɯ́ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɡodʑɯ́ː <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲíː teɴ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲiː ɡóː <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɡó]}}, kde ''ten'' označaje "točka". ===Druge tipy čisel=== V japonskyh [[Ordinalny čislovnik|ordinalnyh čislovnikah]] koristajut modifikaciju uměstnyh sčetnyh slov, sistema ktoryh v japonskom jezyku jest dosti [[Japonske sčetne slova|komplikovana]]. Da by prěvratiti sčetno slovo (sčislovnik) v ordinalny čislovnik, ktory označaje poziciju v redu, na koncu sčislovnika dodavajut {{lang|ja|目}} {{lang|en|me}}. Tako "jedin raz" bude prěkladati se kako {{lang|ja|一回}} {{lang|en|ikkai}}, a "prvy raz" bude se prěkladati {{lang|ja|一回目}} {{lang|en|ikkaime}}. Tuto pravilo jest ale nedoslědno, ako sčislovniky bez sufiksa {{translit|ja|me}} često koristajut i v ordinalnom, i v [[Kardinalny čislovnik|kardinalnom]] smyslah. Napriměr, {{lang|ja|三階}} {{translit|ja|sangai}} može označati kako "tri etaže", tako i "tretji etaž." [[Distributivny čislovnik|Distributivne čislovniky]] obyčno stvarjajut iz kardinalnogo čislovnika, sčetnogo slova i sufiksa {{Nihongo|{{-|''-zutsu''}}|ずつ|}}, napriklad {{Nihongo|{{-|''hitori-zutsu''}}|一人ずつ|po jednoj osobě za raz, po-jedno}}. == Stupnje 10 == === Velike čisla === Vslěd kitajskoj tradiciji, velike čisla se stvarjajut grupovanjem cifr v [[Miriada|miriady]] (10,000), na razliku od zapadnyh tyseč(1,000) <div class="overflowbugx" style="overflow-x:auto;"> {| class="wikitable" !align="left"|Red |10{{sup|4}} |10{{sup|8}} |10{{sup|12}} |10{{sup|16}} |10{{sup|20}} |10{{sup|24}} |10{{sup|28}} |10{{sup|32}} |10{{sup|36}} |10{{sup|40}} |10{{sup|44}} |10{{sup|48}} |10{{sup|52}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(ili 10{{sup|56}})}}</small> |10{{sup|56}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(ili 10{{sup|64}})}}</small> |10{{sup|60}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|72}})}}</small> |10{{sup|64}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|80}})}}</small> |10{{sup|68}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|88}})}}</small> |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|万}} |{{lang|ja|億}} |{{lang|ja|兆}} |{{lang|ja|京}} |{{lang|ja|垓}} |{{lang|ja|𥝱}}, {{lang|ja|秭}} |{{lang|ja|穣}} |{{lang|ja|溝}} |{{lang|ja|澗}} |{{lang|ja|正}} |{{lang|ja|載}} |{{lang|ja|極}} |{{lang|ja|恒河沙}} |{{lang|ja|阿僧祇}} |{{lang|ja|那由他}}, {{lang|ja|那由多}} |{{lang|ja|不可思議}} |{{lang|ja|無量大数}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|en|man}} |{{lang|en|oku}} |{{lang|en|chō}} |{{lang|en|kei}} |{{lang|en|gai}} |{{lang|en|jo}}, {{lang|en|shi}} |{{lang|en|jō}} |{{lang|en|kō}} |{{lang|en|kan}} |{{lang|en|sei}} |{{lang|en|sai}} |{{lang|en|goku}} |{{lang|en|gōgasha}} |{{lang|en|asōgi}} |{{lang|en|nayuta}} |{{lang|en|fukashigi}} |{{lang|en|muryōtaisū}} |}</div> Razhoděnja sut iz-za {{Nihongo|{{-|[[Jinkōki]]}}|塵劫記|}}, najstaršego matematičnogo teksta Japonije. Originalno izdavanje bylo opublikovano v lětu 1627 i imělo mnogo grěšek, věčšinstvo ktoryh bylo izpravjeno v izdavanju 1631 goda. V lětu 1634 izšlo ješče jedno izdavanje, kde opet bylo izměnjeno několiko veličin. Vyše uvedeno razhodženje jest obuslovjeno nesuglasnostju dvoh poslědnjih izdavanij. Sut razne znaky za 10{{sup|24}} (to jest {{lang|ja|秭}} v kitajskom jezyku tutčas), i po 10{{sup|48}} oni odličajut se tym, že prodolžajut s povyšenjem faktora 10{{sup|4}} ili prěključajut se na faktor 10{{sup|8}}. Ako koristaje se faktor 10{{sup|8}}, medžuintervalne koeficienty 10{{sup|4}} zakryvajut s pomočju {{Nihongo|万|man}}. Nastoječe izdavanje {{lang|en|Jinkōki}}, 11-to, slěduje faktoru 10{{sup|4}} črez cělu sistemu, hoti něktori ljudi ješče koristajut veličiny iz 8-go izdavanja daže tutčas. Poslědnje tri čisla s mnogoslogovymi nazvanjami i razhodženjem veličin v koncu koncev izvodet se iz Indije, hoti tam oni ne iměli oprědeljennyh veličin. {{Nihongo|恒河沙|''gōgasha''}} prvonačelno koristalo se v budističskyh traktatah za označevanje bezměrno ogromnogo; ono proizhodi iz [[Sanskrit|sanskritskogo]] {{lang|sa|गङ्गा}} {{lang|en|gangā}} '[[Ganges|Ganga]]' (čto udobno vključaje znaky {{Nihongo|'rěka'|河|ka}} i {{Nihongo|'pěsok'|沙|sha}}, odsylajuči k neizčislimomu množstvu čestic pěska na rěkě Ganga. {{Nihongo|阿僧祇|''asōgi''|}}, od sanskritnogo {{lang|sa|असंख्येय}} {{lang|en|asaṃkhyeya}} 'neizčisljimy/bezčislny', s negativnym prefiksom {{Nihongo|阿|''a''|}}, i {{Nihongo|那由他|''nayuta''}} od sanskritnogo {{lang|sa|नयुत/नयुतः}} {{lang|en|nayuta(ḥ)}}. Dalje, cifry sut terminami iz [[Budizm|Budizma]], prěvedene na kitajsky ili iztvorjene na njem, ktorym pozdněje pridělali čislne značenja: {{Nihongo|'nevoobrazimy'|不可思議|fukashigi}} i {{Nihongo|'bezměrno veliko čislo'|無量大数|muryōtaisū}}. Priměry: ''(razděljenje na grupy iz četyreh cifr jest privedeno samo za cěljem lěpšego objasnjenja)'' *1 0000 : {{Nihongo|一万|ichi-man}} *983 6703 : {{Nihongo|九百八十三万 六千七百三|kyū-hyaku hachi-jū san-man, roku-sen nana-hyaku san}} *20 3652 1801 : {{Nihongo|二十億 三千六百五十二万 千八百一|ni-jū oku, san-zen rop-pyaku go-jū ni-man, sen hap-pyaku ichi}} Jednakože, Čisla, napisane arabskymi ciframi, razděljaut na grupy po tri cifry, kako to jest prijeto v anglogovorečih državah. Pri koristanju arabskyh cifr i kandži razom, zapadny sposob zapisu može se koristati za čisla, menši 10,000, ale s {{-|''man''}}, ako čislo je večšo (napr. {{lang|ja|2,500万}} za 25,000,000). Ako v japonskom jezyku dolge čisla sit zapisyvane v kandži, nuly opuskajut za vse stupnje deseti. Tako, 4002 bude {{lang|ja|四千二}} (naprotiv, v kitajskom jezyku trěba použiti {{lang|zh|零}} vsekde vměsto nuly, napr. {{lang|zh|四千零二}} za 4002). Ale, pri čitanju učetovodnyh sprav, napriměr, opuštene cifry inogda označajut {{Nihongo|飛び|tobi}} ili {{Nihongo|飛んで|tonde}}: v našem priměru 4002 {{lang|en|yon-sen '''tobi''' ni}} ili {{lang|en|yon-sen '''tonde''' ni}} vměsto obyčnogo {{lang|en|yon-sen ni}}. === Drobne čisla === Japonsky jezyk imaje dvě sistemy čislovnikov za desetične droby. Oni uže ne koristajut se generalno, ale kako predže mogut se koristati v něktoryh slučajah, kako ukazatelje odbitja i zaščity bejsbolistov, procenty izigry sportovnyh ekip, i v něktoryh idiomatičnyh rěčenjah kako 五分五分の勝負 ({{-|''gobugobu no shōbu''}}, 'šans petdeset na petdeset', doslovno 'pet na pet'), ili kogda prědstavjajut procent rabata. The {{lang|en|bu}} fractions are also used when talking about fevers—for example {{Nihongo|九度二分|kudonibu}} for 9 and two parts—referring to the temperature 39.2°C. One system is as follows: {| class="wikitable" !align=left|Red |10{{sup|−1}} |10{{sup|−2}} |10{{sup|−3}} |10{{sup|−4}} |10{{sup|−5}} |10{{sup|−6}} |10{{sup|−7}} |10{{sup|−8}} |10{{sup|−9}} |10{{sup|−10}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|分}} |{{lang|ja|厘}} |{{lang|ja|毛}} |{{lang|ja|糸}} |{{lang|ja|忽}} |{{lang|ja|微}} |{{lang|ja|繊}} |{{lang|ja|沙}} |{{lang|ja|塵}} |{{lang|ja|埃}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|jen|bu}} |{{lang|en|rin}} |{{lang|en|mō}} |{{lang|en|shi}} |{{lang|en|kotsu}} |{{lang|en|bi}} |{{lang|en|sen}} |{{lang|en|sha}} |{{lang|en|jin}} |{{lang|en|ai}} |} This is the system used with the traditional [[Japanese units of measurement]]. Several of the names are used "as is" to represent a fraction of a [[cun (unit)|{{lang|en|sun}}]]. The other system of representing these decimal fractions of rate or discount uses a system "shifted down" with a {{lang|ja|bu}} becoming a "one hundredth" and so on, and the unit for "tenth" becoming {{lang|ja|wari}}: {| class="wikitable" !align=left|Red |10{{sup|−1}} |10{{sup|−2}} |10{{sup|−3}} |10{{sup|−4}} |10{{sup|−5}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|割}} |{{lang|ja|分}} |{{lang|ja|厘}} |{{lang|ja|毛}} |{{lang|ja|糸}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|en|wari}} |{{lang|en|bu}} |{{lang|en|rin}} |{{lang|en|mō}} |{{lang|en|shi}} |} This is often used with prices. For example: *{{Nihongo|一割五分引き|ichi-wari go-bu biki}}: 15% discount *{{Nihongo|打率三割八分九厘|daritsu san-wari hachi-bu kyū-rin}}: batting average .389 With the exception of {{lang|ja|wari}}, these are rarely seen in modern usage. Decimal fractions are typically written with either kanji numerals (vertically) or Arabic numerals (horizontally), preceded by a decimal point, and are read as successive digits, as in Western convention. Note that, in written form, they can be combined with either the traditional system of expressing numerals (42.195 kilometers: {{lang|ja|四十二・一九五 キロメートル}}), in which powers of ten are written, or with the place value system, which uses zero (50.04 percent: {{lang|ja|五〇・〇四 パーセント.}}) In both cases, however, the reading follows the traditional system ({{lang|en|yon-jū ni-ten ichi-kyū go kiromētoru}} for 42.195 kilometers; {{lang|en|go ju-tten rei-yon pāsento}} for 50.04 percent.) == В именах == Существуют имена {{Nihongo|[[Millennium Actress|Тиёко]]|千代子||дословно «тысяча лет» (женское)}}, {{Nihongo|Тидзуру|千鶴||дословно «тысяча [[Японский журавль|журавлей]]» (женское)}}, {{Nihongo|Тикао|千禾夫||дословно «муж — тысяча колосьев»}}, фамилия {{Nihongo|Титака|千鷹||дословно «тысяча соколов»}}. Одна из японских префектур называется {{Nihongo|[[Тиба (префектура)|Тиба]]|千葉||дословно «тысяча листьев»}}. В [[аниме]] «[[Унесённые призраками]]» обыгрывается неоднозначность прочтения иероглифа 千 — «сэн» или «ти»: имя главной героини — {{Nihongo|Тихиро|千尋||дословно «тысяча [[Японская система мер#Меры длины|хиро]]», «бездонная глубина»}}; колдунья «забирает» имя у Тихиро, оставляя ей только один иероглиф и меняя его прочтение. Отныне Тихиро зовётся {{Nihongo|Сэн|千||тысяча}}. Кроме того, есть последовательность мужских имён, которыми называют детей по порядку рождения: # {{Nihongo|Итиро|一郎|итиро:|первый сын}}, # {{Nihongo|Дзиро|二郎|дзиро:|второй сын}}, # {{Nihongo|Сабуро|三郎|сабуро:}}, # {{Nihongo|Сиро|四郎|сиро:}}, # {{Nihongo|Горо|五郎|горо:}}, # {{Nihongo|Рокуро|六郎|рокуро:}}, # {{Nihongo|Ситиро|七郎|ситиро:}}, # {{Nihongo|Хатиро|八郎|хатиро:}}, # {{Nihongo|Куро|九郎|куро:}}, # {{Nihongo|Дзюро|十郎|дзю:ро:}}, # {{Nihongo|Тоитиро|十一郎|тоитиро:}} или {{Nihongo|Дзюитиро|十一郎|дзю:итиро:}}, # {{Nihongo|Дзюдзиро|十二郎|дзю:дзиро:}}, # {{Nihongo|Тосабуро|十三郎|тосабуро:}} или {{Nihongo|Дзюсабуро|十三郎|дзю:сабуро:}}. После [[Вторая мировая война|Второй мировой войны]] имена «больше» Сабуро почти вышли из употребления. Кроме указанных имён есть даже {{Nihongo|Дзюсиро|十四郎|дзю:сиро:|четырнадцатый сын}} и {{Nihongo|Хякуро|百郎|хякуро:|сотый сын}}: их, кроме прочих, носят актёр [[Кабуки]] [[Коноэ, Дзюсиро|Дзюсиро Коноэ]] (近衛 十四郎) и [[мангака]] [[Мурасаки, Хякуро|Хякуро Мурасаки]] (村崎 百郎). == Formalne čislovniky == [[File:Shoe Boxes (743286602).jpg|thumb|{{lang|en|[[Getabako]]}}]] As with Chinese numerals, there exists in Japanese a separate set of kanji for numerals called {{Nihongo||大字|'''daiji'''}} used in legal and financial documents to prevent unscrupulous individuals from adding a stroke or two, turning a one into a two or a three. The formal numbers are identical to the [[Chinese financial numerals|Chinese formal numbers]] except for minor stroke variations. Today, the numbers for one, two, three, and ten are written only in their formal form in legal documents (the numbers 4 to 9 as well as 100, 1000 and 10000 are written identically to the common ones, cf. table below).<ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:大正十一年大蔵省令第四十三号 (会計法規ニ基ク出納計算ノ数字及記載事項ノ訂正ニ関スル件) |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/T11/T11F03401000043.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023833/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/T11/T11F03401000043.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『第一条: 会計法規ニ基ク出納計算ニ関スル諸書類帳簿ニ記載スル金額其ノ他ノ数量ニシテ「一」、「二」、「三」、「十」、「廿」、「卅」ノ数字ハ「壱」、「弐」、「参」、「拾」、「弐拾」、「参拾」ノ字体ヲ用ユヘシ但横書ヲ為ストキハ「アラビア」数字ヲ用ユルコトヲ得』}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:戸籍法施行規則 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S22/S22F00501000094.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023839/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S22/S22F00501000094.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:「第三十一条 2: 年月日を記載するには、壱、弐、参、拾の文字を用いなければならない。」}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:小切手振出等事務取扱規程 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S26/S26F03401000020.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023849/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S26/S26F03401000020.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『附則 (昭和四〇年四月一日大蔵省令第二〇号) 2: 小切手の券面金額は、当分の間、所定の金額記載欄に、漢数字により表示することができる。この場合においては、「一」、「二」、「三」及び「十」の字体は、それぞれ「壱」、「弐」、「参」及び「拾」の漢字を用い、かつ、所定の金額記載欄の上方余白に当該金額記載欄に記載の金額と同額をアラビア数字で副記しなければならない。』}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:商業登記規則 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S39/S39F03201000023.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20090202084605/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S39/S39F03201000023.html |archive-date=2009-02-02 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『第四十八条 2: 金銭その他の物の数量、年月日及び番号を記載するには、「壱、弐、参、拾」の文字を用いなければならない。ただし、横書きをするときは、アラビヤ数字を用いることができる。』}}</ref> These numbers' common forms can be changed to a higher value by adding strokes (1 and 2 were explained above, while 3 can be changed to 5, and 10 to 1000). In some cases, the digit 1 is explicitly written like {{lang|ja|壱百壱拾}} for 110, as opposed to {{lang|ja|百十}} in common writing. Formal numbers: {| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center" ! rowspan="2" | Number ! rowspan="2" | Common ! colspan="2" | Formal |- ! In use !! Obsolete |- | align="right" | 1 || {{lang|ja|一}} || {{lang|ja|壱}} || {{lang|ja|壹}} |- | align="right" | 2 || {{lang|ja|二}} || {{lang|ja|弐}} || {{lang|ja|貳}} |- | align="right" | 3 || {{lang|ja|三}} || {{lang|ja|参}} || {{lang|ja|參}} |- | align="right" | 4 || {{lang|ja|四}} || {{lang|ja|四}} || {{lang|ja|肆}} |- | align="right" | 5 || {{lang|ja|五}} || {{lang|ja|五}} || {{lang|ja|伍}} |- | align="right" | 6 || {{lang|ja|六}} || {{lang|ja|六}} || {{lang|ja|陸}} |- | align="right" | 7 || {{lang|ja|七}} || {{lang|ja|七}} || {{lang|ja|柒}}, {{lang|ja|漆}} |- | align="right" | 8 || {{lang|ja|八}} || {{lang|ja|八}} || {{lang|ja|捌}} |- | align="right" | 9 || {{lang|ja|九}} || {{lang|ja|九}} || {{lang|ja|玖}} |- | align="right" | 10 || {{lang|ja|十}} || {{lang|ja|拾}} || {{lang|ja|拾}} |- | align="right" | 100 || {{lang|ja|百}} || {{lang|ja|百}} || {{lang|ja|佰}} |- | align="right" | 1000 || {{lang|ja|千}} || {{lang|ja|千}} || {{lang|ja|阡}}, {{lang|ja|仟}} |- | align="right" | 10000 || {{lang|ja|万}} || {{lang|ja|万}}, {{lang|ja|萬}} || {{lang|ja|萬}} |} The four current [[banknotes of the Japanese yen]], 1000-yen, 2000-yen, 5000-yen, and 10000-yen, have formal numbers {{lang|ja|千}}, {{lang|ja|弐千}}, {{lang|ja|五千}}, and {{lang|ja|壱万}}, respectively. ==V starojaponskom jezyku== [[Old Japanese]] shares some vocabulary with later periods, but there are also unique number terms over 10 which are not used any more, aside from being parts of specific [[lexeme]]s. Notes: * The transcription is based on the [[phoneme]] and is not [[phonetics|phonetic]]. See [[Old Japanese]] for further information. * See {{lang|ja|[[Jōdai Tokushu Kanazukai]]}} for information on subscript notation. <!--NOTE: Please do NOT change /h/ to /p/. The transcription is phonemic, not phonetic. While it must have been [p] at some time in the past, during the Old Japanese period it was [ɸ]. --> {| class="wikitable" ! Čislo ! Izgovor ! Priklady ! Primětky |- | align="right" | 1 | [[wiktionary:一#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|一日}} {{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂pi₁}} (1 day), {{lang|ojp|一年}} {{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂to₂se}} (1 year) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 2 | [[wiktionary:二#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|futa}}]] | {{lang|ojp|二夜}} {{lang|ojp|futayo₂}} (2 nights) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 3 | [[wiktionary:三#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|mi₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|三十}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁so₁}} (30) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 4 | [[wiktionary:四#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|yo₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|四十}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂so₁}} (40), {{lang|ojp|四人}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂tari}} (4 people) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 5 | [[wiktionary:五#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|itu}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五年}} {{lang|ojp|ituto₂se}} (5 years) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 6 | [[wiktionary:六#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|mu}}]] | {{lang|ojp|六爪}} {{lang|ojp|mutuma}} (6 claws) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 7 | [[wiktionary:七#Noun|{{lang|ojp|nana}}]] | {{lang|ojp|七瀬}} {{lang|ojp|nanase}} (many rapids) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 8 | [[wiktionary:八#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|ya}}]] | {{lang|ojp|八雲}} {{lang|ojp|yakumo₁}} (many clouds) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 9 | [[wiktionary:九#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|九柱}} {{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂pasira}} (9 nobles / gods) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 10 | [[wiktionary:十#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|to₂}}]] / [[wiktionary:十#Noun 3|{{lang|ojp|to₂wo}}]] | {{lang|ojp|十日}} {{lang|ojp|to₂woka}} (10 days) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 10 | [[wiktionary:十#Noun|{{lang|ojp|so₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|三十}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁so₁}} (30), {{lang|ojp|四十}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂so₁}} (40), {{lang|ojp|六十}} {{lang|ojp|muso₁}} (60), {{lang|ojp|八十}} {{lang|ojp|yaso₁}} (80) | Found only in compound words; not used alone. |- | align="right" | 20 | [[wiktionary:二十#Noun|{{lang|ojp|pata}}]] | {{lang|ojp|二十}} {{lang|ojp|patati}} (20), {{lang|ojp|二十人}} {{lang|ojp|patatari}} (20 people), {{lang|ojp|二十年}} {{lang|ojp|patato₂se}} (20 years) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 50 | [[wiktionary:五十|{{lang|ojp|i}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五十日}} {{lang|ojp|ika}} (50 days) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 100 | [[wiktionary:百#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|po}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五百}} {{lang|ojp|ipo}} (500), {{lang|ojp|五百年}} {{lang|ojp|ipoto₂se}} (500 years), {{lang|ojp|五百夜}} {{lang|ojp|ipoyo₂}} (500 nights), {{lang|ojp|八百}} {{lang|ojp|yapo}} (800), {{lang|ojp|三百}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁po}} (300), {{lang|ojp|六百}} {{lang|ojp|mupo}} (600), {{lang|ojp|九百}} {{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂po}} (900) | Used for multiple hundreds in compound numerals. Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 100 | [[wiktionary:百#Noun 3|{{lang|ojp|mo₁mo₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|百日}} {{lang|ojp|mo₁mo₁ka}} (many days) | Used for non-multiple hundred and for the number "100" by itself. Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 1000 | [[wiktionary:千#Noun|{{lang|ojp|ti}}]] | {{lang|ojp|千年}} {{lang|ojp|tito₂se}} (1000 years, many years) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 10000 | [[wiktionary:万#Noun|{{lang|ojp|yo₂ro₂du}}]] | {{lang|ojp|八百万}} {{lang|ojp|yapoyo₂ro₂du}} (8000000, myriad) | Often used to mean many. |} ==Sčitanje na prstah== Japanese uses separate systems for counting for oneself and for displaying numbers to others, which both proceed up to ten. For counting, one begins with the palm open, then counts up to five by curling up (folding down) the fingers, starting from the thumb – thus one has just the thumb down (and others extended), while four has only the little finger extended, and five has a fist. One then counts up to ten by proceeding in the reverse order, extending the fingers, starting at the little finger – thus six is the same as four, seven the same as three, and so forth, with ten ending with the palm open. While this introduces ambiguity, it is not used to present to others, so this is generally not a problem. When displaying for others, one starts with the hand closed, and extends fingers, starting with the index, going to the little finger, then ending with the thumb, as in the United States. For numbers above five, one uses an open hand (indicating five) and places the appropriate number of fingers from the other hand against the palm (palms facing each other) – so six has the index finger against the palm, and so forth.<ref>{{Cite web| url = http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/aa112198.htm| title = Counting on one's fingers. About.com, Japanese Language, Namiko Abe| archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20130120143955/http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/aa112198.htm |archive-date = 2013-01-20}}</ref> To display ten, one presents both hands open and palm outwards. == Zapisyvanje cifr slovami == Since the adoption of [[Arabic numerals]], it has become more and more common for numbers to be written using them. Counters and ordinal numbers are typically written in Arabic numbers, such as {{nihongo|three people|3人|san-nin}}, {{nihongo|July, "seventh-month"|7月|shichigatsu}}, {{nihongo|age 20|20歳|hatachi}}, etc., although {{lang|ja|三人}}, {{lang|ja|七月}} and {{lang|ja|二十歳}} are also acceptable to write (albeit less common). However, numbers that are part of lexemes are typically written in kanji. For example, the term {{nihongo|'vegetable stand / grocer'|八百屋|yaoya}} translates into "800 store" and uses the Old Japanese pronunciation for 800, {{lang|ojp|ya(h)o}}. The notorious Japanese organized crime syndicate, the [[yakuza]], can be written {{lang|ja|八九三}} (or 893), a hand in {{lang|en|[[Oicho-Kabu|oicho-kabu]]}} that is worth 0 points, indicating that yakuza are "worthless persons" or "gambling persons".<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://www.sljfaq.org/afaq/yakuza.html |title=What is the origin of yakuza? |website=www.sljfaq.org |access-date=2016-03-24}}</ref> ==Zrite takože== *[[Chinese numerals]] *[[Decimal separator]] *[[Japanese counter word]] *[[Japanese people]] *[[Japanese wordplay#Numeric substitution|Japanese wordplay § Numeric substitution]] == Referencije == {{Iztočniky}} ==Vnješnje linky== <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> * {{lang|ja|[http://www.moroo.com/uzokusou/misc/suumei/suumei.html 大数の名前について]}} (na japonskom jezyku) * {{Cite web |url= http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanese.html | title = Ancient Japanese number system| archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20180829030749/http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanese.html |archive-date=2018-08-29}} * [http://www.solosequenosenada.com/gramatica/japanese/Learn_Japanese_Numbers.php English exercises for learning Japanese numerals] * [https://web.archive.org/web/20090324035049/http://www.learnjapanesewordsandphrases.com/learnjapanesenumbers.html Audio to learn the pronunciation for Japanese numbers] * [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/kanjinumbers.cgi Convert kanji numerals to arabic numerals] (sci. lang. Japan FAQ page) * [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/numbers.cgi Convert arabic numerals to kanji numerals] (sci. lang. Japan FAQ page) </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese numerals|}} [[Kategorija:Čisla]] [[Kategorija:Japonsky jezyk]] [[Kategorija:Čislovniky]] {{INTERWIKI|Q1337084}} {{Kartka osoba | name = Viktor Coj | native_name = <center>{{Jezyky|ru|Виктор Цой}}</center> | image = [[Fajl:Victor Tsoi 1986.jpg|thumb|center|Viktor Coj v lětu 1986]] | alt = | caption = | birth_name = Viktor Robertovič Coj | birth_date = {{birth date|1962|6|21|df=yes}} | birth_place = [[Sankt-Peterburg|Leningrad]], [[Rosijska Sovětska Federativna Socialističska Republika|RSFSR]], [[Sovětsky Sojuz]] | death_date = {{death date and age|1990|8|15|1962|6|21|df=yes}} | death_place = [[Latvijska Sovětska Socialističska Republika|Latvijska SSR]], Sovětsky Sojuz | death_cause = Avto avarija | resting_place = Bogoslovskoje grobišče, Sankt-Peterburg | occupation = {{Flatlist| * pěvec * avtor pěsnjej * avtor muziky * aktor * avangardny umětnik }} | years_active = 1978–1990 | spouse = {{Plainlist| * Marianna Coj, od 1984 }} | children = [[Aleksandr Coj]], rod. 1985 | module = {{Kartka muzikant|embed=yes <!-- See Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians --> | background = solo_singer <!-- mandatory format: please do not change or remove --> | instrument = {{flatlist| * [[Vokal|vokal]] * [[Gitara|gitara]] * [[Bas-gitara|bas-gitara]] }} | genre = {{Flatlist| * [[Post-punk|post-pank]] * [[New wave (muzika)|nova volna]] * [[gotičny rok]] * [[Punk|pank rok]] }} | label = {{Flatlist| * [[AnTrop]] * [[Firma Melodija|Melodija]] }} | current_member_of = {{Flatlist| * [[Kino (grupa)|Kino]] * [[Avtomatičeskije udovletvoriteli]] * [[Sergej Kurjohin]] }} }} }} Tuto jest peskovišče. [[File:Nihongo.svg|thumb|right|100px| 日本語 (Japonsky jezyk)]] '''Japonsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|ja|日本語 {{!}} にほんご}} | {{-|''Nihongo'' [nʲiho̞ŋːo̞]}}) <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> </span> == Referencije == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese language|}} [[Kategorija:Jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5287}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} 5mmd01akxrqp55yjr99hc0vpl7xtxva 27940 27939 2026-07-03T10:32:48Z Ilja isv 10 /* Drobne čisla */ 27940 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=July 2026}} {{-|''Under construction''}} {{nihongo|'''Japonske čislovniky'''|数詞|sūshi}} sut [[Čislovnik (lingvistika)|čislovniky]], koristane v [[Japonsky jezyk|japonskom jezyku]]. V pismennosti oni sut jednake s [[Kitajske čislovniky|kitajskymi čislovnikami]], I velike čisla slědujut kitajskomu stilju s grupovanjem po 10,000. Koristajut se dva izgovory: Sino-Japonsko čitanje ([[On'yomi|{{lang|en|on'yomi}}]]) i Japonsko čitanje {{lang|en|[[Wago|yamato kotoba]]}} (rodne slova, {{lang|en|[[kun'yomi]]}}) [[Kitajske hieroglify|kitajskyh hieroglifov]]. ==Čisla v japonskom jezyku== Sut dva sposoby, kako pisati čisla na japonskom jezyku: [[Arabske cifry|arabskymi ciframi]] (1, 2, 3) ili [[Kitajske čislovniky|kitajskymi čislovnikami]] ({{lang|zh|一}}, {{lang|zh|二}}, {{lang|zh|三}}). Arabske čisla sut vyše često koristane pri [[Horizontalno i vertikalno pisanje v Iztočno aziatskoj pismennosti|horizontalnom pisanju]], a kitajske čisla sut vyše obyčajne pri [[Horizontalno i vertikalno pisanje v Iztočno aziatskoj pismennosti|vertikalnom pisanju]]. Věčšinstvo čisel imaje dva čitanja, kako i večšinstvo [[Kanji|kandži]], to, ktoro jest izvedeno od kitajskogo čitanja, koristaje se za redne čislovniky ([[on'yomi|čitanje {{lang|en|On}}]] ) a rodno japonsko čitanje ([[kun'yomi|čitanje {{lang|en|Kun}}]]) koristaje se nemnogo menje formalno za čisla do 10. V něktoryh slučajah (privedenyh dole), jsponsko čitanje obyčno jest preferovano za vse izkoristanja. Archaične čtanja sut označene †. {| class="wikitable nounderlines" ! Čislo ! Znak ! Čitanje {{lang|en|On}} ! Čitanje {{lang|en|Kun}}<ref>{{cite book |script-title=ja:スーパー大辞林 |trans-title=Super [[Daijirin]] |language=ja |publisher=[[Sanseidō]] }}</ref> ! Prědnostno čitanje |- | align="right" | [[0]] | {{lang|ja|零}} / {{lang|ja|〇}}{{sup|*}} | {{Nihongo||れい|rei}} | {{Nihongo||まる|maru}} | {{Nihongo||ゼロ|zero}} ([[Pozajetje (lingvistika)|pozajetje]], {{lang|en|[[Loanwords in Japanese|gairaigo]]}}) |- | align="right" | [[1]] | {{lang|ja|一}} | {{Nihongo||いち|ichi}} | {{Nihongo||ひと・つ|hito(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||いち|ichi}} |- | align="right" | [[2]] | {{lang|ja|二}} | {{Nihongo||に|ni}} | {{Nihongo||ふた・つ|futa(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||に|ni}} |- | align="right" | [[3]] | {{lang|ja|三}} | {{Nihongo||さん|san}} | {{Nihongo||みっ・つ|mit(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||さん|san}} |- | align="right" | [[4]] | {{lang|ja|四}} | {{Nihongo||し|shi}} | {{lang|en|yon}}, {{Nihongo||よん、よっ・つ|yot(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||よん|yon}} |- | align="right" | [[5]] | {{lang|ja|五}} | {{Nihongo||ご|go}} | {{Nihongo||いつ・つ|itsu(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||ご|go}} |- | align="right" | [[6]] | {{lang|ja|六}} | {{Nihongo||ろく|roku}} | {{Nihongo||むっ・つ|mut(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||ろく|roku}} |- | align="right" | [[7]] | {{lang|ja|七}} | {{Nihongo||しち|shichi}} | {{Nihongo||なな・つ|nana(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||なな|nana}} |- | align="right" | [[8]] | {{lang|ja|八}} | {{Nihongo||はち|hachi}} | {{Nihongo||やっ・つ|yat(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||はち|hachi}} |- | align="right" | [[9]] | {{lang|ja|九}} | {{lang|ja|ku}}, {{Nihongo||く, きゅう|kyū}} | {{Nihongo||ここの・つ|kokono(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||きゅう|kyū}} |- | align="right" | [[10]] | {{lang|ja|十}} | {{Nihongo||じゅう|jū}} | {{Nihongo||とお|tō}} | {{Nihongo||じゅう|jū}} |- | align="right" | [[20 (number)|20]] | {{lang|ja|二十}} | {{Nihongo||にじゅう|ni-jū}} | {{Nihongo||はた|hata}}† | {{Nihongo||にじゅう|ni-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[30 (number)|30]] | {{lang|ja|三十}} | {{Nihongo||さんじゅう|san-jū}} | {{Nihongo||みそ|miso}}† | {{Nihongo||さんじゅう|san-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[40 (number)|40]] | {{lang|ja|四十}} | {{Nihongo||しじゅう|shi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||よそ|yoso}}† | {{Nihongo||よんじゅう|yon-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[50 (number)|50]] | {{lang|ja|五十}} | {{Nihongo||ごじゅう|go-jū}} | {{Nihongo||いそ|iso}}† | {{Nihongo||ごじゅう|go-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[60 (number)|60]] | {{lang|ja|六十}} | {{Nihongo||ろくじゅう|roku-jū}} | {{Nihongo||むそ|muso}}† | {{Nihongo||ろくじゅう|roku-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[70 (number)|70]] | {{lang|ja|七十}} | {{Nihongo||しちじゅう|shichi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||ななそ|nanaso}}† | {{Nihongo||ななじゅう|nana-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[80 (number)|80]] | {{lang|ja|八十}} | {{Nihongo||はちじゅう|hachi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||やそ|yaso}}† | {{Nihongo||はちじゅう|hachi-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[90 (number)|90]] | {{lang|ja|九十}} | {{Nihongo||くじゅう|ku-jū}} | {{Nihongo||ここのそ|kokonoso}}† | {{Nihongo||きゅうじゅう|kyū-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[100]] | {{lang|ja|百}} | {{Nihongo||ひゃく|hyaku}} | {{Nihongo||もも|momo}}† | {{Nihongo||ひゃく|hyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[500 (number)|500]] | {{lang|ja|五百}} | {{Nihongo||ごひゃく|go-hyaku}} | {{Nihongo||いお|io}}† | {{Nihongo||ごひゃく|go-hyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[800 (number)|800]] | {{lang|ja|八百}} | {{Nihongo||はっぴゃく|hap-pyaku}} | {{Nihongo||やお|yao}}† | {{Nihongo||はっぴゃく|hap-pyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[1000 (number)|1,000]] | {{lang|ja|千}} | {{Nihongo||せん|sen}} | {{Nihongo||ち|chi}}† | {{Nihongo||せん|sen}} |- | align="right" | [[10,000]] | {{lang|ja|万}} | {{Nihongo||まん|man}} | {{Nihongo||よろず|yorozu}}† | {{Nihongo||まん|man}} |- | align="right" | [[100,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|億}} | {{Nihongo||おく|oku}} |— | {{Nihongo||おく|oku}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)#1012|1,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|兆}} | {{Nihongo||ちょう|chō}} |— | {{Nihongo||ちょう|chō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10,000,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|京}} | {{Nihongo||けい|kei}} |— | {{Nihongo||けい|kei}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|100,000,000,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|垓}} | {{Nihongo||がい|gai}} |— | {{Nihongo||がい|gai}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10²⁴]] | {{lang|ja|𥝱}} | {{Nihongo||じょ|jo}} |— | {{Nihongo||じょ|jo}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10²⁸]] | {{lang|ja|穣}} | {{Nihongo||じょう|jō}} |— | {{Nihongo||じょう|jō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10³²]] | {{lang|ja|溝}} | {{Nihongo||こう|kō}} |— | {{Nihongo||こう|kō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10³⁶]] | {{lang|ja|澗}} | {{Nihongo||かん|kan}} |— | {{Nihongo||かん|kan}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁰]] | {{lang|ja|正}} | {{Nihongo||せい|sei}} |— | {{Nihongo||せい|sei}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁴]] | {{lang|ja|載}} | {{Nihongo||さい|sai}} |— | {{Nihongo||さい|sai}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁸]] | {{lang|ja|極}} | {{Nihongo||ごく|goku}} |— | {{Nihongo||ごく|goku}} |} <small><nowiki>*</nowiki> Imaje se takože specialno čitanje 〇 ({{-|''maru''}}), čto označaje "krugly" ili "krug". Ono može koristati se opcionalno, kogda čitajut se odděljene cifry v nomeru jedna po jednoj, vměsto vsego čisla. Polpularnym priměrim jest [[109 (trgovy dom)|znamenity magazin "109"]] v četvrti [[Shibuya|Šibuja, Tokio]], ktory čitaje se kako {{lang|en|ichi-maru-kyū}} (Kandži: {{lang|ja|一〇九}}). (On takože može čitati se kako 'deset-devet'— izgovarjaje se {{lang|en|tō-kyū}} — čto jest igra slov s nazvanjem tokijskogo trgovogo doma, ktory vladaje budynkom.) Tuto izkoristanje {{lang|en|maru}} za čislnu 0 jest podobno poněkogdomu čitanju čisla 0 v anglijskom jezyku kako {{-| ''oh''}}. Jednakože, kako čislo, jego jedino zapisyvajut kako 0 ili {{Nihongo|零|{{-|rei}}}}. Čtovyše, dva i pet igovarjajut s dolgoju samoglaskoju v telefoničnyh nomerah (napr. {{lang|ja|にい}} {{lang|en|nī}} i {{lang|ja|ごお}} {{lang|en|gō}}). Čisla poslě {{lang|en|kei}} koristajut rědko. Tym ne menje, oni sut prědstavjene tut.</small> Kako odměčaje se vyše, {{lang|en|yon}} (4) i {{lang|en|nana}} (7) sut uprědnostnjene nad {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}}. Prědpokladaje se, že tuto jest svezano s tym, že {{lang|en|shi}} jest takože čitanjem slova 死 (smrt), čto děljae jego neščestlivym čitanjem (gledite [[tetrafobija]]); dokolě {{lang|en|shichi}} može zvučati velmi slično s {{lang|en|ichi}} (1), {{lang|en|shi}} ili {{lang|en|hachi}} (8). Jednakože, v cělom redu stanovjenyh slov i rěčenij, {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}} sut stale preferovane; tako, pri sčitanju (kako v {{lang|en|"ichi, ni, san, shi,..."}}), {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}} mogut iměti prědnost. Čislo 9 takože mněvaje se nesčestlivym; kogda izgovarjaje se {{lang|en|ku}}, ono sozvučno 苦 (stradanje). Čislo 13 poněkogda mněvaje se nesčestlivym, ale jest to kalka [[Triskaidekafobia|zapadnoj tradicije]]. Naprotiv, 7 i poněkogda 8 mněvajut se sčestlivymy u japoncev.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://lingualift.com/blog/lucky-unlucky-numbers-japan/|title=The number of death: Lucky and unlucky numbers in Japan|website=The Science of Language Self-Study {{!}} LinguaLift Blog|access-date=2016-03-24}}</ref> V sovrěmennom japonskom jezyku, redne čislovniky pomimo 4 i 7 sut obyčno koristane v čitanju {{lang|en|on}}. Alternativno čitanje byvaje v nazvah měsecev, čislah dnjev v měsecu i stalyh izrazah; napriměr, april, julij, i september nazyvajut se {{lang|en|'''shi'''-gatsu}} (4. měsec), {{lang|en|'''shichi'''-gatsu}} (7. měsec), i {{lang|en|'''ku'''-gatsu}} (9. měsec). Čitanja {{lang|en|on}} takože koristajut pri prěklikanju dlja sčitanja ljudij (nap. {{lang|en|ichi-ni-san-shi}}). Večši čisla dělajut, kombinujuči tute elementy: *desetky od 20 do 90 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-jū}}" kako od {{Nihongo|二十|{{-|ni-jū}}}} do {{Nihongo|九十|{{-|kyū-jū}}}}. *sotky od 200 do 900 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-hyaku}}". *tyseče od 2000 do 9000 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-sen}}". Počinajuči od {{Nihongo|miriady|万}}, čisla začinajut se s {{Nihongo|一|{{-|ichi}}}}, jestlu ne jest prisutna ina cifra. Tako, 100 bude prosto {{Nihongo|百|{{-|hyaku}}}}, 1000 jest prosto {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}, ale 10000 uže{{Nihongo|一万|{{-|ichiman}}}}, vměsto prosto {{lang|en|man}}. (Tuto odličaje se od [[Kitajsky jezyk|kitajskogo jezyka]], kde čisla začinajut se c {{lang|zh|一}} ako ne jest druga ina cifra prěd njeju, uže od 100.) I jestli {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}neposrědnje prědhodi nazvě kolikosti [[Miriada|miriad]], prěd {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}obyčno dodavajut {{Nihongo|一|{{-|ichi}}}}, čto davaje {{Nihongo|一千|{{-|issen}}}}. Tako, 10,000,000 (bukvalno 1000,0000) obyčno čitajut kako {{Nihongo|一千万|{{-|issenman}}}}. Ale ako {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}} ''ne'' premo prědhodi kolikosti myriad, dodavanje {{Nihongo|一|ichi}}jest opcionalno. Tako, 15,000,000 (1500,0000) čitaje se kako {{Nihongo|千五百万|sengohyakuman}} ili {{Nihongo|一千五百万|issengohyakuman}}, ravno i kako 1500 čitaje se {{Nihongo|千五百|sengohyaku}}ili {{Nihongo|一千五百|issengohyaku}}. Sut i něktore fonetične modifikacije v ozvučanju něktoryh velikyh čisel, [[Oglasovanje i obezglasovanje suglasok|oglasovanje]] ili [[gemacija]] něktoryh suglasok, kako to često byvaje v japonskom jezyku (napr. {{lang|en|[[rendaku]]}}): napr. {{lang|en|roku}} "šest" i {{lang|en|hyaku}} "sto" dělajut {{lang|en|roppyaku}} "šestsot". {| class="wikitable" ! × !! 1 !! 2 !! 3 !! 4 !! 5 !! 6 !! 7 !! 8 !! 9 !! 10 !! 100 !! 1000 |- | align="right" | 100 | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hyaku, ippyaku}} | {{lang|en|nihyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sanbyaku}} | {{lang|en|yonhyaku}} | {{lang|en|gohyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|roppyaku}} | {{lang|en|nanahyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|happyaku}} | {{lang|en|kyūhyaku}} |— |— |— |- | align="right" | 1,000 | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sen, issen}} | {{lang|en|nisen}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sanzen}} | {{lang|en|yonsen}} | {{lang|en|gosen}} | {{lang|en|rokusen}} | {{lang|en|nanasen}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hassen}} | {{lang|en|kyūsen}} | — | — | — |- | align="right" | 10{{sup|12}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|itchō}} | {{lang|en|nichō}} | {{lang|en|sanchō}} | {{lang|en|yonchō}} | {{lang|en|gochō}} | {{lang|en|rokuchō}} | {{lang|en|nanachō}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hatchō}} | {{lang|en|kyūchō}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|jutchō}}* | {{lang|en|hyakuchō}} | {{lang|en|issenchō}} |- | align="right" | 10{{sup|16}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|ikkei}} | {{lang|en|nikei}} | {{lang|en|sankei}} | {{lang|en|yonkei}} | {{lang|en|gokei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|rokkei}} | {{lang|en|nanakei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hakkei}} | {{lang|en|kyūkei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|jukkei}}* | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hyakkei}}** | {{lang|en|issenkei}} |} <small><nowiki>*</nowiki> Takože priměnjaje se k kratnym 10. Koncovka měnjaje se od {{lang|en|-jū}} na {{lang|en|-jutchō}} ili {{lang|en|-jukkei}}.<br /><nowiki>**</nowiki> Takože priměnjaje se k kratnym 100. Koncovka {{lang|en|-ku}} měnjaje se na {{lang|en|-kkei}}.</small> V čislah nad 10, elementy sut soredjene, i ne koristajut se nuly. Japonske čislovniky imajut ne pozicijnu, a multiplikativno-aditivnu sistemu; da by napisati čislo 20, trěba napisati simbol {{Nihongo|"dva"|二}}, a potom simbol {{Nihongo|"deset"|十}}, da by polučiti dvě desetky ili {{Nihongo|"dvadeset"|二十}}. {| class="wikitable" ! Čislo !! Znaky !! Čitanje !Značenje |- | align="right" | 11 || {{lang|ja|十一}} || {{lang|en|jū ichi}} |deset i jedno |- | align="right" | 17 || {{lang|ja|十七}} || {{lang|en|jū nana, jū shichi}} |deset i sedm |- | align="right" | 151 || {{lang|ja|百五十一}} || {{lang|en|hyaku go-jū ichi}} |sto, pet desetok i jedno |- | align="right" | 302 || {{lang|ja|三百二}} || {{lang|en|san-byaku ni}} |tri sta i dva |- | align="right" | 469 || {{lang|ja|四百六十九}} || {{lang|en|yon-hyaku roku-jū kyū}} |četyri, šest desetok i devet |- | align="right" | 2025 || {{lang|ja|二千二十五}} || {{lang|en|ni-sen ni-jū go}} |dva tyseče, dvě desetky i pet |} ===Čislne redky i desetične čisla=== Japonske cifry od 1 do 9 obyčno se koristajut izolovano. Redky cifr imajut slegka inako čitanje s prodolženymi samoglaskami za 2 (''nī'') i 5 (''gō''), i menje često, 4 (''shī'') i 9 (''kū''). Tako dělajut zato, že kogda prěčisljajut cifry, ako možno, oni muset byti v grupah po dvě, každa iz njih musi sostojeti točno iz četyreh [[Mora (lingvistika)|mor]], čto dělaje neobhodnym prodolženje obyčno jednomornyh cifr kako ''ni'', ''go'', ''shi'' and ''ku''.<ref name=nhk-2005-2>{{cite web|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250622082124/https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20250601_1.html|url=https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20250601_1.html|archive-date=22 June 2025|lang=ja|script-title=ja:語の読み方（語形）について数字の読み方～小数の読み方～|work=NHK Bunken|publisher=NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute|last=Yamashita|first=Yōko|last2=Fujii|first2=Madoka|date=28 February 2025|access-date=23 September 2025|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250622082259/https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20180501_4.html|url=https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20180501_4.html|archive-date=22 June 2025|date=1 May 2018|lang=ja|script-title=ja:数詞の発音とアクセント|work=NHK Bunken|publisher=NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute|last=Sakurai|first=Shigeharu|last2=Akinaga|first2=Kazue|access-date=23 September 2025|url-status=live}}</ref> Napiměr, taky redok kako '''5'''4'''2'''62 se izgovarjaje {{-|'''''gō'''-yon '''nī'''-roku ni''}}, kde prve dvě grupy sut kvadrimoraične. [[Japonsko tonalno udarjenje|Udarjenje]] pri tom padaje prědposlědnju moru kažfoj grupy, ako li to jest možlivo, odsud {{-|[ɡoː jóɴ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲiː ɾókɯ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲí]}}.<ref name=hirayama-1961>{{cite book|lang=ja|script-title=ja:全国アクセント辞典|first=Teruo|last=Hirayama|publisher=Tōkyōdō|date=25 December 1961|p=897}}</ref> Tuto pravilo takože priměnjaje se k poslědnoj cifrě celoj česti čisla i ko vsim cifram desetičnoj česti desetičnogo čisla.<ref name=nhk-2005-2/><ref name=hirayama-1961/> Napriměr, tako desetično čislo kako 25'''2'''.'''25'''5 se izgovarjaje {{-|''nihyaku gojū '''nī'''-ten '''nī-gō''' go''}} {{-|[ɲiçjakɯ́ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɡodʑɯ́ː <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲíː teɴ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲiː ɡóː <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɡó]}}, kde ''ten'' označaje "točka". ===Druge tipy čisel=== V japonskyh [[Ordinalny čislovnik|ordinalnyh čislovnikah]] koristajut modifikaciju uměstnyh sčetnyh slov, sistema ktoryh v japonskom jezyku jest dosti [[Japonske sčetne slova|komplikovana]]. Da by prěvratiti sčetno slovo (sčislovnik) v ordinalny čislovnik, ktory označaje poziciju v redu, na koncu sčislovnika dodavajut {{lang|ja|目}} {{lang|en|me}}. Tako "jedin raz" bude prěkladati se kako {{lang|ja|一回}} {{lang|en|ikkai}}, a "prvy raz" bude se prěkladati {{lang|ja|一回目}} {{lang|en|ikkaime}}. Tuto pravilo jest ale nedoslědno, ako sčislovniky bez sufiksa {{translit|ja|me}} često koristajut i v ordinalnom, i v [[Kardinalny čislovnik|kardinalnom]] smyslah. Napriměr, {{lang|ja|三階}} {{translit|ja|sangai}} može označati kako "tri etaže", tako i "tretji etaž." [[Distributivny čislovnik|Distributivne čislovniky]] obyčno stvarjajut iz kardinalnogo čislovnika, sčetnogo slova i sufiksa {{Nihongo|{{-|''-zutsu''}}|ずつ|}}, napriklad {{Nihongo|{{-|''hitori-zutsu''}}|一人ずつ|po jednoj osobě za raz, po-jedno}}. == Stupnje 10 == === Velike čisla === Vslěd kitajskoj tradiciji, velike čisla se stvarjajut grupovanjem cifr v [[Miriada|miriady]] (10,000), na razliku od zapadnyh tyseč(1,000) <div class="overflowbugx" style="overflow-x:auto;"> {| class="wikitable" !align="left"|Red |10{{sup|4}} |10{{sup|8}} |10{{sup|12}} |10{{sup|16}} |10{{sup|20}} |10{{sup|24}} |10{{sup|28}} |10{{sup|32}} |10{{sup|36}} |10{{sup|40}} |10{{sup|44}} |10{{sup|48}} |10{{sup|52}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(ili 10{{sup|56}})}}</small> |10{{sup|56}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(ili 10{{sup|64}})}}</small> |10{{sup|60}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|72}})}}</small> |10{{sup|64}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|80}})}}</small> |10{{sup|68}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|88}})}}</small> |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|万}} |{{lang|ja|億}} |{{lang|ja|兆}} |{{lang|ja|京}} |{{lang|ja|垓}} |{{lang|ja|𥝱}}, {{lang|ja|秭}} |{{lang|ja|穣}} |{{lang|ja|溝}} |{{lang|ja|澗}} |{{lang|ja|正}} |{{lang|ja|載}} |{{lang|ja|極}} |{{lang|ja|恒河沙}} |{{lang|ja|阿僧祇}} |{{lang|ja|那由他}}, {{lang|ja|那由多}} |{{lang|ja|不可思議}} |{{lang|ja|無量大数}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|en|man}} |{{lang|en|oku}} |{{lang|en|chō}} |{{lang|en|kei}} |{{lang|en|gai}} |{{lang|en|jo}}, {{lang|en|shi}} |{{lang|en|jō}} |{{lang|en|kō}} |{{lang|en|kan}} |{{lang|en|sei}} |{{lang|en|sai}} |{{lang|en|goku}} |{{lang|en|gōgasha}} |{{lang|en|asōgi}} |{{lang|en|nayuta}} |{{lang|en|fukashigi}} |{{lang|en|muryōtaisū}} |}</div> Razhoděnja sut iz-za {{Nihongo|{{-|[[Jinkōki]]}}|塵劫記|}}, najstaršego matematičnogo teksta Japonije. Originalno izdavanje bylo opublikovano v lětu 1627 i imělo mnogo grěšek, věčšinstvo ktoryh bylo izpravjeno v izdavanju 1631 goda. V lětu 1634 izšlo ješče jedno izdavanje, kde opet bylo izměnjeno několiko veličin. Vyše uvedeno razhodženje jest obuslovjeno nesuglasnostju dvoh poslědnjih izdavanij. Sut razne znaky za 10{{sup|24}} (to jest {{lang|ja|秭}} v kitajskom jezyku tutčas), i po 10{{sup|48}} oni odličajut se tym, že prodolžajut s povyšenjem faktora 10{{sup|4}} ili prěključajut se na faktor 10{{sup|8}}. Ako koristaje se faktor 10{{sup|8}}, medžuintervalne koeficienty 10{{sup|4}} zakryvajut s pomočju {{Nihongo|万|man}}. Nastoječe izdavanje {{lang|en|Jinkōki}}, 11-to, slěduje faktoru 10{{sup|4}} črez cělu sistemu, hoti něktori ljudi ješče koristajut veličiny iz 8-go izdavanja daže tutčas. Poslědnje tri čisla s mnogoslogovymi nazvanjami i razhodženjem veličin v koncu koncev izvodet se iz Indije, hoti tam oni ne iměli oprědeljennyh veličin. {{Nihongo|恒河沙|''gōgasha''}} prvonačelno koristalo se v budističskyh traktatah za označevanje bezměrno ogromnogo; ono proizhodi iz [[Sanskrit|sanskritskogo]] {{lang|sa|गङ्गा}} {{lang|en|gangā}} '[[Ganges|Ganga]]' (čto udobno vključaje znaky {{Nihongo|'rěka'|河|ka}} i {{Nihongo|'pěsok'|沙|sha}}, odsylajuči k neizčislimomu množstvu čestic pěska na rěkě Ganga. {{Nihongo|阿僧祇|''asōgi''|}}, od sanskritnogo {{lang|sa|असंख्येय}} {{lang|en|asaṃkhyeya}} 'neizčisljimy/bezčislny', s negativnym prefiksom {{Nihongo|阿|''a''|}}, i {{Nihongo|那由他|''nayuta''}} od sanskritnogo {{lang|sa|नयुत/नयुतः}} {{lang|en|nayuta(ḥ)}}. Dalje, cifry sut terminami iz [[Budizm|Budizma]], prěvedene na kitajsky ili iztvorjene na njem, ktorym pozdněje pridělali čislne značenja: {{Nihongo|'nevoobrazimy'|不可思議|fukashigi}} i {{Nihongo|'bezměrno veliko čislo'|無量大数|muryōtaisū}}. Priměry: ''(razděljenje na grupy iz četyreh cifr jest privedeno samo za cěljem lěpšego objasnjenja)'' *1 0000 : {{Nihongo|一万|ichi-man}} *983 6703 : {{Nihongo|九百八十三万 六千七百三|kyū-hyaku hachi-jū san-man, roku-sen nana-hyaku san}} *20 3652 1801 : {{Nihongo|二十億 三千六百五十二万 千八百一|ni-jū oku, san-zen rop-pyaku go-jū ni-man, sen hap-pyaku ichi}} Jednakože, Čisla, napisane arabskymi ciframi, razděljaut na grupy po tri cifry, kako to jest prijeto v anglogovorečih državah. Pri koristanju arabskyh cifr i kandži razom, zapadny sposob zapisu može se koristati za čisla, menši 10,000, ale s {{-|''man''}}, ako čislo je večšo (napr. {{lang|ja|2,500万}} za 25,000,000). Ako v japonskom jezyku dolge čisla sit zapisyvane v kandži, nuly opuskajut za vse stupnje deseti. Tako, 4002 bude {{lang|ja|四千二}} (naprotiv, v kitajskom jezyku trěba použiti {{lang|zh|零}} vsekde vměsto nuly, napr. {{lang|zh|四千零二}} za 4002). Ale, pri čitanju učetovodnyh sprav, napriměr, opuštene cifry inogda označajut {{Nihongo|飛び|tobi}} ili {{Nihongo|飛んで|tonde}}: v našem priměru 4002 {{lang|en|yon-sen '''tobi''' ni}} ili {{lang|en|yon-sen '''tonde''' ni}} vměsto obyčnogo {{lang|en|yon-sen ni}}. === Drobne čisla === Japonsky jezyk imaje dvě sistemy čislovnikov za desetične droby. Oni uže ne koristajut se generalno, ale kako predže mogut se koristati v něktoryh slučajah, kako ukazatelje odbitja i zaščity bejsbolistov, procenty izigry sportovnyh ekip, i v něktoryh idiomatičnyh rěčenjah kako 五分五分の勝負 ({{-|''gobugobu no shōbu''}}, 'šans petdeset na petdeset', doslovno 'pet na pet'), ili kogda prědstavjajut procent rabata. Droby {{lang|en|bu}} takože koritajut, kogda govoret o gorečkě — napriměr, {{Nihongo|九度二分|kudonibu}} za 9 i dvě drobnyh — za označanje temperatury 39.2°C. One system is as follows: {| class="wikitable" !align=left|Red |10{{sup|−1}} |10{{sup|−2}} |10{{sup|−3}} |10{{sup|−4}} |10{{sup|−5}} |10{{sup|−6}} |10{{sup|−7}} |10{{sup|−8}} |10{{sup|−9}} |10{{sup|−10}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|分}} |{{lang|ja|厘}} |{{lang|ja|毛}} |{{lang|ja|糸}} |{{lang|ja|忽}} |{{lang|ja|微}} |{{lang|ja|繊}} |{{lang|ja|沙}} |{{lang|ja|塵}} |{{lang|ja|埃}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|jen|bu}} |{{lang|en|rin}} |{{lang|en|mō}} |{{lang|en|shi}} |{{lang|en|kotsu}} |{{lang|en|bi}} |{{lang|en|sen}} |{{lang|en|sha}} |{{lang|en|jin}} |{{lang|en|ai}} |} This is the system used with the traditional [[Japanese units of measurement]]. Several of the names are used "as is" to represent a fraction of a [[cun (unit)|{{lang|en|sun}}]]. The other system of representing these decimal fractions of rate or discount uses a system "shifted down" with a {{lang|ja|bu}} becoming a "one hundredth" and so on, and the unit for "tenth" becoming {{lang|ja|wari}}: {| class="wikitable" !align=left|Red |10{{sup|−1}} |10{{sup|−2}} |10{{sup|−3}} |10{{sup|−4}} |10{{sup|−5}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|割}} |{{lang|ja|分}} |{{lang|ja|厘}} |{{lang|ja|毛}} |{{lang|ja|糸}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|en|wari}} |{{lang|en|bu}} |{{lang|en|rin}} |{{lang|en|mō}} |{{lang|en|shi}} |} This is often used with prices. For example: *{{Nihongo|一割五分引き|ichi-wari go-bu biki}}: 15% discount *{{Nihongo|打率三割八分九厘|daritsu san-wari hachi-bu kyū-rin}}: batting average .389 With the exception of {{lang|ja|wari}}, these are rarely seen in modern usage. Decimal fractions are typically written with either kanji numerals (vertically) or Arabic numerals (horizontally), preceded by a decimal point, and are read as successive digits, as in Western convention. Note that, in written form, they can be combined with either the traditional system of expressing numerals (42.195 kilometers: {{lang|ja|四十二・一九五 キロメートル}}), in which powers of ten are written, or with the place value system, which uses zero (50.04 percent: {{lang|ja|五〇・〇四 パーセント.}}) In both cases, however, the reading follows the traditional system ({{lang|en|yon-jū ni-ten ichi-kyū go kiromētoru}} for 42.195 kilometers; {{lang|en|go ju-tten rei-yon pāsento}} for 50.04 percent.) == В именах == Существуют имена {{Nihongo|[[Millennium Actress|Тиёко]]|千代子||дословно «тысяча лет» (женское)}}, {{Nihongo|Тидзуру|千鶴||дословно «тысяча [[Японский журавль|журавлей]]» (женское)}}, {{Nihongo|Тикао|千禾夫||дословно «муж — тысяча колосьев»}}, фамилия {{Nihongo|Титака|千鷹||дословно «тысяча соколов»}}. Одна из японских префектур называется {{Nihongo|[[Тиба (префектура)|Тиба]]|千葉||дословно «тысяча листьев»}}. В [[аниме]] «[[Унесённые призраками]]» обыгрывается неоднозначность прочтения иероглифа 千 — «сэн» или «ти»: имя главной героини — {{Nihongo|Тихиро|千尋||дословно «тысяча [[Японская система мер#Меры длины|хиро]]», «бездонная глубина»}}; колдунья «забирает» имя у Тихиро, оставляя ей только один иероглиф и меняя его прочтение. Отныне Тихиро зовётся {{Nihongo|Сэн|千||тысяча}}. Кроме того, есть последовательность мужских имён, которыми называют детей по порядку рождения: # {{Nihongo|Итиро|一郎|итиро:|первый сын}}, # {{Nihongo|Дзиро|二郎|дзиро:|второй сын}}, # {{Nihongo|Сабуро|三郎|сабуро:}}, # {{Nihongo|Сиро|四郎|сиро:}}, # {{Nihongo|Горо|五郎|горо:}}, # {{Nihongo|Рокуро|六郎|рокуро:}}, # {{Nihongo|Ситиро|七郎|ситиро:}}, # {{Nihongo|Хатиро|八郎|хатиро:}}, # {{Nihongo|Куро|九郎|куро:}}, # {{Nihongo|Дзюро|十郎|дзю:ро:}}, # {{Nihongo|Тоитиро|十一郎|тоитиро:}} или {{Nihongo|Дзюитиро|十一郎|дзю:итиро:}}, # {{Nihongo|Дзюдзиро|十二郎|дзю:дзиро:}}, # {{Nihongo|Тосабуро|十三郎|тосабуро:}} или {{Nihongo|Дзюсабуро|十三郎|дзю:сабуро:}}. После [[Вторая мировая война|Второй мировой войны]] имена «больше» Сабуро почти вышли из употребления. Кроме указанных имён есть даже {{Nihongo|Дзюсиро|十四郎|дзю:сиро:|четырнадцатый сын}} и {{Nihongo|Хякуро|百郎|хякуро:|сотый сын}}: их, кроме прочих, носят актёр [[Кабуки]] [[Коноэ, Дзюсиро|Дзюсиро Коноэ]] (近衛 十四郎) и [[мангака]] [[Мурасаки, Хякуро|Хякуро Мурасаки]] (村崎 百郎). == Formalne čislovniky == [[File:Shoe Boxes (743286602).jpg|thumb|{{lang|en|[[Getabako]]}}]] As with Chinese numerals, there exists in Japanese a separate set of kanji for numerals called {{Nihongo||大字|'''daiji'''}} used in legal and financial documents to prevent unscrupulous individuals from adding a stroke or two, turning a one into a two or a three. The formal numbers are identical to the [[Chinese financial numerals|Chinese formal numbers]] except for minor stroke variations. Today, the numbers for one, two, three, and ten are written only in their formal form in legal documents (the numbers 4 to 9 as well as 100, 1000 and 10000 are written identically to the common ones, cf. table below).<ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:大正十一年大蔵省令第四十三号 (会計法規ニ基ク出納計算ノ数字及記載事項ノ訂正ニ関スル件) |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/T11/T11F03401000043.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023833/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/T11/T11F03401000043.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『第一条: 会計法規ニ基ク出納計算ニ関スル諸書類帳簿ニ記載スル金額其ノ他ノ数量ニシテ「一」、「二」、「三」、「十」、「廿」、「卅」ノ数字ハ「壱」、「弐」、「参」、「拾」、「弐拾」、「参拾」ノ字体ヲ用ユヘシ但横書ヲ為ストキハ「アラビア」数字ヲ用ユルコトヲ得』}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:戸籍法施行規則 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S22/S22F00501000094.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023839/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S22/S22F00501000094.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:「第三十一条 2: 年月日を記載するには、壱、弐、参、拾の文字を用いなければならない。」}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:小切手振出等事務取扱規程 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S26/S26F03401000020.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023849/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S26/S26F03401000020.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『附則 (昭和四〇年四月一日大蔵省令第二〇号) 2: 小切手の券面金額は、当分の間、所定の金額記載欄に、漢数字により表示することができる。この場合においては、「一」、「二」、「三」及び「十」の字体は、それぞれ「壱」、「弐」、「参」及び「拾」の漢字を用い、かつ、所定の金額記載欄の上方余白に当該金額記載欄に記載の金額と同額をアラビア数字で副記しなければならない。』}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:商業登記規則 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S39/S39F03201000023.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20090202084605/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S39/S39F03201000023.html |archive-date=2009-02-02 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『第四十八条 2: 金銭その他の物の数量、年月日及び番号を記載するには、「壱、弐、参、拾」の文字を用いなければならない。ただし、横書きをするときは、アラビヤ数字を用いることができる。』}}</ref> These numbers' common forms can be changed to a higher value by adding strokes (1 and 2 were explained above, while 3 can be changed to 5, and 10 to 1000). In some cases, the digit 1 is explicitly written like {{lang|ja|壱百壱拾}} for 110, as opposed to {{lang|ja|百十}} in common writing. Formal numbers: {| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center" ! rowspan="2" | Number ! rowspan="2" | Common ! colspan="2" | Formal |- ! In use !! Obsolete |- | align="right" | 1 || {{lang|ja|一}} || {{lang|ja|壱}} || {{lang|ja|壹}} |- | align="right" | 2 || {{lang|ja|二}} || {{lang|ja|弐}} || {{lang|ja|貳}} |- | align="right" | 3 || {{lang|ja|三}} || {{lang|ja|参}} || {{lang|ja|參}} |- | align="right" | 4 || {{lang|ja|四}} || {{lang|ja|四}} || {{lang|ja|肆}} |- | align="right" | 5 || {{lang|ja|五}} || {{lang|ja|五}} || {{lang|ja|伍}} |- | align="right" | 6 || {{lang|ja|六}} || {{lang|ja|六}} || {{lang|ja|陸}} |- | align="right" | 7 || {{lang|ja|七}} || {{lang|ja|七}} || {{lang|ja|柒}}, {{lang|ja|漆}} |- | align="right" | 8 || {{lang|ja|八}} || {{lang|ja|八}} || {{lang|ja|捌}} |- | align="right" | 9 || {{lang|ja|九}} || {{lang|ja|九}} || {{lang|ja|玖}} |- | align="right" | 10 || {{lang|ja|十}} || {{lang|ja|拾}} || {{lang|ja|拾}} |- | align="right" | 100 || {{lang|ja|百}} || {{lang|ja|百}} || {{lang|ja|佰}} |- | align="right" | 1000 || {{lang|ja|千}} || {{lang|ja|千}} || {{lang|ja|阡}}, {{lang|ja|仟}} |- | align="right" | 10000 || {{lang|ja|万}} || {{lang|ja|万}}, {{lang|ja|萬}} || {{lang|ja|萬}} |} The four current [[banknotes of the Japanese yen]], 1000-yen, 2000-yen, 5000-yen, and 10000-yen, have formal numbers {{lang|ja|千}}, {{lang|ja|弐千}}, {{lang|ja|五千}}, and {{lang|ja|壱万}}, respectively. ==V starojaponskom jezyku== [[Old Japanese]] shares some vocabulary with later periods, but there are also unique number terms over 10 which are not used any more, aside from being parts of specific [[lexeme]]s. Notes: * The transcription is based on the [[phoneme]] and is not [[phonetics|phonetic]]. See [[Old Japanese]] for further information. * See {{lang|ja|[[Jōdai Tokushu Kanazukai]]}} for information on subscript notation. <!--NOTE: Please do NOT change /h/ to /p/. The transcription is phonemic, not phonetic. While it must have been [p] at some time in the past, during the Old Japanese period it was [ɸ]. --> {| class="wikitable" ! Čislo ! Izgovor ! Priklady ! Primětky |- | align="right" | 1 | [[wiktionary:一#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|一日}} {{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂pi₁}} (1 day), {{lang|ojp|一年}} {{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂to₂se}} (1 year) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 2 | [[wiktionary:二#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|futa}}]] | {{lang|ojp|二夜}} {{lang|ojp|futayo₂}} (2 nights) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 3 | [[wiktionary:三#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|mi₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|三十}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁so₁}} (30) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 4 | [[wiktionary:四#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|yo₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|四十}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂so₁}} (40), {{lang|ojp|四人}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂tari}} (4 people) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 5 | [[wiktionary:五#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|itu}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五年}} {{lang|ojp|ituto₂se}} (5 years) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 6 | [[wiktionary:六#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|mu}}]] | {{lang|ojp|六爪}} {{lang|ojp|mutuma}} (6 claws) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 7 | [[wiktionary:七#Noun|{{lang|ojp|nana}}]] | {{lang|ojp|七瀬}} {{lang|ojp|nanase}} (many rapids) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 8 | [[wiktionary:八#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|ya}}]] | {{lang|ojp|八雲}} {{lang|ojp|yakumo₁}} (many clouds) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 9 | [[wiktionary:九#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|九柱}} {{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂pasira}} (9 nobles / gods) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 10 | [[wiktionary:十#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|to₂}}]] / [[wiktionary:十#Noun 3|{{lang|ojp|to₂wo}}]] | {{lang|ojp|十日}} {{lang|ojp|to₂woka}} (10 days) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 10 | [[wiktionary:十#Noun|{{lang|ojp|so₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|三十}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁so₁}} (30), {{lang|ojp|四十}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂so₁}} (40), {{lang|ojp|六十}} {{lang|ojp|muso₁}} (60), {{lang|ojp|八十}} {{lang|ojp|yaso₁}} (80) | Found only in compound words; not used alone. |- | align="right" | 20 | [[wiktionary:二十#Noun|{{lang|ojp|pata}}]] | {{lang|ojp|二十}} {{lang|ojp|patati}} (20), {{lang|ojp|二十人}} {{lang|ojp|patatari}} (20 people), {{lang|ojp|二十年}} {{lang|ojp|patato₂se}} (20 years) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 50 | [[wiktionary:五十|{{lang|ojp|i}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五十日}} {{lang|ojp|ika}} (50 days) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 100 | [[wiktionary:百#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|po}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五百}} {{lang|ojp|ipo}} (500), {{lang|ojp|五百年}} {{lang|ojp|ipoto₂se}} (500 years), {{lang|ojp|五百夜}} {{lang|ojp|ipoyo₂}} (500 nights), {{lang|ojp|八百}} {{lang|ojp|yapo}} (800), {{lang|ojp|三百}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁po}} (300), {{lang|ojp|六百}} {{lang|ojp|mupo}} (600), {{lang|ojp|九百}} {{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂po}} (900) | Used for multiple hundreds in compound numerals. Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 100 | [[wiktionary:百#Noun 3|{{lang|ojp|mo₁mo₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|百日}} {{lang|ojp|mo₁mo₁ka}} (many days) | Used for non-multiple hundred and for the number "100" by itself. Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 1000 | [[wiktionary:千#Noun|{{lang|ojp|ti}}]] | {{lang|ojp|千年}} {{lang|ojp|tito₂se}} (1000 years, many years) | Often used to mean many. |- | align="right" | 10000 | [[wiktionary:万#Noun|{{lang|ojp|yo₂ro₂du}}]] | {{lang|ojp|八百万}} {{lang|ojp|yapoyo₂ro₂du}} (8000000, myriad) | Often used to mean many. |} ==Sčitanje na prstah== Japanese uses separate systems for counting for oneself and for displaying numbers to others, which both proceed up to ten. For counting, one begins with the palm open, then counts up to five by curling up (folding down) the fingers, starting from the thumb – thus one has just the thumb down (and others extended), while four has only the little finger extended, and five has a fist. One then counts up to ten by proceeding in the reverse order, extending the fingers, starting at the little finger – thus six is the same as four, seven the same as three, and so forth, with ten ending with the palm open. While this introduces ambiguity, it is not used to present to others, so this is generally not a problem. When displaying for others, one starts with the hand closed, and extends fingers, starting with the index, going to the little finger, then ending with the thumb, as in the United States. For numbers above five, one uses an open hand (indicating five) and places the appropriate number of fingers from the other hand against the palm (palms facing each other) – so six has the index finger against the palm, and so forth.<ref>{{Cite web| url = http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/aa112198.htm| title = Counting on one's fingers. About.com, Japanese Language, Namiko Abe| archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20130120143955/http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/aa112198.htm |archive-date = 2013-01-20}}</ref> To display ten, one presents both hands open and palm outwards. == Zapisyvanje cifr slovami == Since the adoption of [[Arabic numerals]], it has become more and more common for numbers to be written using them. Counters and ordinal numbers are typically written in Arabic numbers, such as {{nihongo|three people|3人|san-nin}}, {{nihongo|July, "seventh-month"|7月|shichigatsu}}, {{nihongo|age 20|20歳|hatachi}}, etc., although {{lang|ja|三人}}, {{lang|ja|七月}} and {{lang|ja|二十歳}} are also acceptable to write (albeit less common). However, numbers that are part of lexemes are typically written in kanji. For example, the term {{nihongo|'vegetable stand / grocer'|八百屋|yaoya}} translates into "800 store" and uses the Old Japanese pronunciation for 800, {{lang|ojp|ya(h)o}}. The notorious Japanese organized crime syndicate, the [[yakuza]], can be written {{lang|ja|八九三}} (or 893), a hand in {{lang|en|[[Oicho-Kabu|oicho-kabu]]}} that is worth 0 points, indicating that yakuza are "worthless persons" or "gambling persons".<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://www.sljfaq.org/afaq/yakuza.html |title=What is the origin of yakuza? |website=www.sljfaq.org |access-date=2016-03-24}}</ref> ==Zrite takože== *[[Chinese numerals]] *[[Decimal separator]] *[[Japanese counter word]] *[[Japanese people]] *[[Japanese wordplay#Numeric substitution|Japanese wordplay § Numeric substitution]] == Referencije == {{Iztočniky}} ==Vnješnje linky== <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> * {{lang|ja|[http://www.moroo.com/uzokusou/misc/suumei/suumei.html 大数の名前について]}} (na japonskom jezyku) * {{Cite web |url= http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanese.html | title = Ancient Japanese number system| archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20180829030749/http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanese.html |archive-date=2018-08-29}} * [http://www.solosequenosenada.com/gramatica/japanese/Learn_Japanese_Numbers.php English exercises for learning Japanese numerals] * [https://web.archive.org/web/20090324035049/http://www.learnjapanesewordsandphrases.com/learnjapanesenumbers.html Audio to learn the pronunciation for Japanese numbers] * [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/kanjinumbers.cgi Convert kanji numerals to arabic numerals] (sci. lang. Japan FAQ page) * [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/numbers.cgi Convert arabic numerals to kanji numerals] (sci. lang. Japan FAQ page) </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese numerals|}} [[Kategorija:Čisla]] [[Kategorija:Japonsky jezyk]] [[Kategorija:Čislovniky]] {{INTERWIKI|Q1337084}} {{Kartka osoba | name = Viktor Coj | native_name = <center>{{Jezyky|ru|Виктор Цой}}</center> | image = [[Fajl:Victor Tsoi 1986.jpg|thumb|center|Viktor Coj v lětu 1986]] | alt = | caption = | birth_name = Viktor Robertovič Coj | birth_date = {{birth date|1962|6|21|df=yes}} | birth_place = [[Sankt-Peterburg|Leningrad]], [[Rosijska Sovětska Federativna Socialističska Republika|RSFSR]], [[Sovětsky Sojuz]] | death_date = {{death date and age|1990|8|15|1962|6|21|df=yes}} | death_place = [[Latvijska Sovětska Socialističska Republika|Latvijska SSR]], Sovětsky Sojuz | death_cause = Avto avarija | resting_place = Bogoslovskoje grobišče, Sankt-Peterburg | occupation = {{Flatlist| * pěvec * avtor pěsnjej * avtor muziky * aktor * avangardny umětnik }} | years_active = 1978–1990 | spouse = {{Plainlist| * Marianna Coj, od 1984 }} | children = [[Aleksandr Coj]], rod. 1985 | module = {{Kartka muzikant|embed=yes <!-- See Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians --> | background = solo_singer <!-- mandatory format: please do not change or remove --> | instrument = {{flatlist| * [[Vokal|vokal]] * [[Gitara|gitara]] * [[Bas-gitara|bas-gitara]] }} | genre = {{Flatlist| * [[Post-punk|post-pank]] * [[New wave (muzika)|nova volna]] * [[gotičny rok]] * [[Punk|pank rok]] }} | label = {{Flatlist| * [[AnTrop]] * [[Firma Melodija|Melodija]] }} | current_member_of = {{Flatlist| * [[Kino (grupa)|Kino]] * [[Avtomatičeskije udovletvoriteli]] * [[Sergej Kurjohin]] }} }} }} Tuto jest peskovišče. [[File:Nihongo.svg|thumb|right|100px| 日本語 (Japonsky jezyk)]] '''Japonsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|ja|日本語 {{!}} にほんご}} | {{-|''Nihongo'' [nʲiho̞ŋːo̞]}}) <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> </span> == Referencije == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese language|}} [[Kategorija:Jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5287}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} mghl5l3hbo6lx4yx7rgl5l6sdkzza0m 0 3094 27880 21536 2026-07-02T12:45:13Z Ilja isv 10 27880 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka jezyk | name = Русскы | nativename = {{Jezyky|ru|русский|ru|русский язык}} | map = Idioma ruso.PNG | mapcaption = Оземје, кде русскы јест језык бољшести људиј (сињим) или меншинства (свєтлосињим) | states = [[Росија]], [[Украјина]], [[Бєлорус]], државы Централној Азије, русскојезычна диаспора | ethnicity = [[руси]] | speakers = 260 милионов | date = 2014 | script = [[кирилица]] ([[русска азбука]]) | nation = * [[Росија]] * [[Бєлорус]] * [[Kazahstan|Казахстан]] * [[Kyrgyzstan|Кыргызстан]] * ине ентитеты | agency = [[Институт русского језыка]] Росијској академије наук | family = * [[Индоевропејске језыкы]] ** [[Балтословјанске језыкы]] *** [[Словјанске језыкы]] **** [[Източнословјанске језыкы]] | iso1 = ru | iso2 = rus | iso3 = rus }} '''Русскы језык''' јест [[Източнословјанске језыкы|източнословјанскы језык]], чест [[Slovjanske jezyky|словјанској вєтвы]] [[Индоевропејске језыкы|индоевропејској језыковој родины]], народны језык [[Руси|русов]]. Јест једин из највыше користаных језыков свєта: 6. по обчему числу говоритељев и 8. по числу говоритељев, ктори владајут јим ако родным. Русскы јест такоже највыше користаны [[Словјанске језыкы|словјанскы језык]] и највыше користаны језык [[Европа|Европы]] ако географично, тако и по числу говоритељев језыка како родного. Русскы језык јест државны језык [[Росија|Росије]], једин из државных језыков [[Бєлорус]]и, једин из служебных језыков [[Казахстан]]а и [[Кыргызстан]]а. Јест главны језык меджународного доразумєванја в централној [[Евразија|Евразији]], в източној Европє и в државах былого [[Совєтскы сојуз|Совєтского сојуза]], једин из 6 работных језыков [[Организација сједињеных народов|Организације сједињеных народов]], Унеско и реда иных меджународных организациј. Число говоритељев русского језыка в Росији јест 137.5 милионов људиј, всєго в свєту на русском говорет около 260 милионов људиј. Фонологичны строј русского језыка можливо характеризовати хисторично осложеным стројем консонатизма, ктора вклјучаје 37 сугласных гласок, и мење сложеным стројем вокализма, в ктору входет 5 или 6 самогласок. При том како в строју самогласок, тако и в строју сугласных иззначајут велику разнородност позицијных измєн. Наприклад, самогласкы в безударных позицијах ослабјајут и в реде случајев не различајут. Ударјенје в русском језыку јест динамично, разномєстно и подвижно. По морфологији русскы језык јест главно флексивны, синтетичны. Граматично значенје лексем прєдавајут, обычно, с помочју флексиј. Кажда флексија обычно изражаје једночасно нєколико значениј. Разом с синтетичными формами в русском језыку погледајут развој првєстков аналитизма. Синтаксу русского језыка можливо характеризовати односитељно свободным поредком слов, односоставными и двусоставными простыми прєдложенјами, 3 видами сложеных прєдложениј, активноју рољеју интонацијных срєдств. Основа лексикалного состава русского јест собствено русска. Срєдства додаванја в словосбор — образованје новых слов по собственым моделам и позајманје из иных језыков. К ранным позајетым словам односет словјанизмы (слова из иных словјанскых језыков), гречизмы и тјуркизмы. С 18. столєтја прєвладывајут нидерландске, нємечске и французске позајете слова, с 20. — англицизмы. Диалекты русского језыка групујут в 2 нарєчја: сєверно и јужно. Меджу нарєчјами находет се прєходне срєднерусске диалекты, кторе стали основоју нынєшњего книжевного језыка. В хисторији русского језыка удєљајут 3 основных добы: [[Староизточнословјанскы језык|староизточнословјанскы]], обчи прєдок русского, [[Бєлорусскы језык|бєлорусского]] и [[Украјинскы језык|украјинского]] (6–14. столєтја), старорусскы (14–17. столєтја) и народны русскы језык (с срєдины 17. столєтја). В основє писменности русского лежи старословјанска [[кирилица]]. Наукы о русском језыку обче именујут лингвистичноју русистикоју. == Назва == [[Fajl:Russkiy iazyk Azbuka Burtsov.svg|thumb|Напис «{{-|ру́сьскїи ıaзы́къ}}» из книгы-азбукы росијского издатеља Бурцова, 1637 рок. [[Тврды знак|Тврды]] и [[Меккы знак|меккы]] знакы сут написане чрез јерок.]] Назва «русскы језык» односи се к стародавној назвє народа и краја «Рус». Вслєд реда хисторичных измєн возникнули соврєменне назвы језыка, народа и државы: «русскы језык», «[[руси]]», «[[Росија]]». В разны час к језыку разом с придавником «русскы» в Росији користали такоже придавникы «росијскы» и «великорусскы». Првы произходи од гречској назвы Руси, «Росија», а другы од назвы области «Великоросија». Назва «росијскы језык» возникла в 17. столєтју и стала широко користаноју в 18. столєтју, так, наприклад, јеј користал росијскы научник [[Михаил Ломоносов]] в «[[Росијска граматика|Росијској граматикє]]». В првој половинє 19. столєтја та назва стала застарєлоју. Назва «великорусскы» (или «великоросскы») возникла вслєд раздєла оземиј на [[Мала Рус|Малу Рус]], [[Бєла Рус]] и [[Велика Рус|Велику Рус]] и најчестєје была користујема не дља описа русского језыка цєлком, а дља описа нарєчиј великоросов. В почетку 20. столєтја придавник «великорусскы» прєстали користати. == Географичне дане == === Оземје и число говоритељев === Основна оземја разпрострањенја русского језыка јест [[Росија]]. По даным росијского списа насељенја 2010 года число говоритељев русского језыка јест 137,495 тысечев људиј, из нјих русов — 110,804 тысеч људиј. В градах русскым језыком владајут 101 милионов људиј (99.8%), в селскых оземјах — 37 милионов људиј (98.7%). Как родны русскы језык в спису означили 118,562 тысеч људиј, из нјих русов — 110,702 тысеч, [[Украјинци|украјинцев]] — 1,456 тысечев, [[Татари|татар]] — 1,086 тысечев. Кромє Росије русскы језык јест разширјены такоже в реду иных држав, кторе были честју [[Совєтскы сојуз|Совєтского сојуза]]. По разным даным, говоритељев русского в тутых државах сут од 52 милионов (2005) до 94 милионов људиј (2010). Сугласно спису насељенја 2001 рока в [[Украјина|Украјинє]] 7,994 тысечев русов и 6,280 тысеч људиј иных народов (из кторых 5,545 тысечев — [[украјинци]]) назвали родным русскы језык. Јешче 17,177 тысечев људиј сказали, что свободно јим владајут. Сугласно спису 2009 рока в [[Бєлорус]]и родным језыком назвали русскы 3,948 тысечев људиј, из јих 2,944 тысечев [[Бєлоруси|бєлорусов]] и 756 тысечев русов. Језыком домашњего споразумєванја русскы јест дља 6,673 тысечев људиј (5,552 тысечев белорусов и 758 тысечев русов). Иным језыком, кторым они свободно владајут, русскы назвали 1,305 тысечев људиј. В [[Казахстан]]у сугласно спису насељенја 2009 рока русскы језык назвали родным 3,747 тысечев русов (98,8%), покромє, срєд всех казахстанцев возрастом од 15 роков 11,741 тысеч људиј (94,4%) означили, что разумєјут устну русску рєч, 10,725 тысеч (88,2%) свободно читајут, 10,309 тысечев (84,8%) свободно пишут. В [[Узбекистан]]у число говоритељев русскым језыком оцењајут од 3.6 милионов (2005) до 11.8 милионов људиј (2009–2012) при 1.1 милиону русов в државє. В [[Кыргызстан]]у сугласно спису 2009 рока русскым језыком како родным владали 482 тысечев људиј, како другы језык споразумєванја користали 2,109 тысечев људиј, затом всєго 2,592 тысечев (48% насељенја краја). В спису насељенја 2004 рока в [[Молдавија|Молдавији]] русскы језык назвали родным 97.2% из 201 тысечев русов, 31.8% из 282 тысечев украјинцев, 5.8% из 147 тысечев гагаузов, 2.5% из 2,565 тысечев молдавцев. Језыком повседњего споразумєванја назвали русскы 16% из 3,383 тысечев обыватељев Молдавије. В спису 2011 рока в [[Латвија|Латвији]] језыком повседњего споразумєванја русскы назвали 699 тысечев људиј, вкључно 460 тысечев русов, 90 тысечев латышев и 54 тысечев бєлорусов. Велико число говоритељев русского језыка живе такоже в иных државах [[Европа|Европы]], в США, Канадє, Израелє и многых иных крајах. Највелико число носитељев русского как родного внє былого Совєтского сојуза знаменовајут в США (730 тысечев људиј, 2000) и в [[Нємција|Нємцији]] (боље 350 тысечев људиј, 2011). Число носитељев русского как родного в свєту оцењајут в 166.2 милионов људиј (2015), число говоритељев русскым как другым језыком оцењајут в 110 милионов људиј (2009). По разным оцєнкам, обче число говоритељев на русском јест коло 260 милионов људиј (2014). Кромє Росије и иных былых оземиј Совєтского сојуза, русскым језыком к 2010 року владали в Източној Европє и на Балканах — 12.9 милионов људиј, в Западној Европє — 7.3 милионов, в Азији — 2.7 милиона, на Близком Изтоку и в Сєверној Африкє — 1.3 милион, в Африкє к југу од Сахары — коло 100 тысечев људиј, в Латинској Америкє — коло 200 тысечев, в США, Канадє, Австралији и Новој Зеландији — вмєсту 4.1 милиона. === Сполочно-језычна вєдомост === До 1991 рока русскы језык был језыком меджународного споразумєванја в [[Совєтскы сојуз|Совєтском сојузу]] и фактично был државным језыком СССР. Јего продолжајут користати в државах, кторе прєдже были честју СССР: како родны језык дља чести насељенја и како језык меджународного споразумєванја дља всего насељенја тутых држав. Тутчасно русскы језык имаје служебны статус в Росији и в реде држав и крајин, кторе находет се на постсовєтском простору. Во многых државах, кде русскы језык јест официално служебны, јего функције односно језыков домородных народов крајев сут ограничене. [[Fajl:Map of Russian language.png|thumb|Служебно станје русского језыка в разных државах на картє Евразије.]] Сугласно конституције Росије (1993) и закону «О државном језыку Росије» (2005) русскы језык јест служебны на всех оземјах Росије. Јего користајут во всих областах политичного, економичного, сполочного и културного житја Росије, на њем учет в школах и университетах. В републиках-крајинах Росије русскы такоже имаје статус државного разом с домородными језыками тых републик. Русскы језык јест државны в Бєлоруси (разом с бєлорусскым), в честично познаној [[Јужна Осетија|Јужној Осетији]] (разом с осетинскым) и в непознаных [[Приднєстровје|Приднєстровју]] (разом с молдавскым и украјинскым) и Донєцкој и Луганској народној републиках. Русскы језык јест служебны језык државных институциј (але пониж државного в статусу) в Казахстану, Кыргызстану и в честично познаној [[Абхазија|Абхазији]]. Русскы јест једин из регионалных служебных језыков или језык националного меншинства в [[Арменија|Арменији]], в [[Пољска|Пољскє]], в молдавској крајинє Гагаузија, в норвежској крајинє Шпицберген и в понєкторых административных јединицах Румуније и Украјины. Русскы језык јест служебны или работны в реду меджународных сједињениј и организациј: [[Организација сједињеных народов]] (ОСН) и понєкторе јеј институције, [[Содружство незалежных држав]] (СНД), Организација Договора о колективној безопасности (ОДКБ), Евразијскы економичны сојуз (ЕАЕС), Шанхајска организација сутрудничства (ШОС), Организација по безпечности и сутрудничству в Европє (ОБСЕ) и тако даље. Русскы језык једнако користајут не једино в тех крајах, кде он имаје служебны статус. Како једин из свєтовых језыков, русскы користајут в разных областах меджународного споразумєванја, особливо како «језык наукы» и како срєдство споразумєванја научников из разных крајев и како срєдство схрањенја људскых знаниј. На русском језыку јествује богата собствена умєтничска, научна и технична книжевност, на русском језыку в прєводу јествује многа творба свєтовој културы и наукы. Сугласно електронној базє прєводов {{-|Index Translationum}}, русскы јест једин из најкористујемых при прєводу језыков в свєту. Срєд језыков, на кторе прєводет книгы, русскы јест на 7. мєсту. Срєд језыков, с кторых прєводет книгы, русскы јест на 4. мєсту. В 2013 году русскы стал 2. по популярности језыком Интернета. === Нарєчја === В соврєменном диалектичном дєљенју русского језыка оземја разпрострањенја русскых нарєчиј дєлет на двє области: прва вкључаје централне обсегы европејској чести Росије — почеткове оземја жилишча русов, на кторој изпрва, главно до 15. столєтја, јавили се русске нарєчја и русскы народны језык; друга обсегаје Срєдње и Долно Поволжје, Кавказ, Урал, [[Сибир]], Далекы Изток и ине оземја позднєјшего жилишча русов, на кторых они селили се уж послє образованја русского народа, русского језыка и јего нарєчиј, с 16. и до 20. столєтја. В оземјах ранего образованја јавили се двє великы групы русскых нарєчиј: сєверно и јужно, кторы характеризује ред противлеглых диалектичных јавјениј. Наприклад, дља сєвернорусскых нарєчиј сут характеристичне оканје, експлозивно образованје гласкы {{-|/g/ — [ɡ]}}, тврдо {{-|-т}} в доконченјах глаголов 3. особы ({{Lang|ru|но́сит, но́сят}}); форма именников в родитељнику {{Lang|ru|у жон[ы́]}}; таке слова, како {{Lang|ru|зы́бка, о́зимь, ла́ет}} и т. д. Тутым диалектичным јавјенјам сут противлегле чрты јужнорусскых нарєчиј: аканје (изговор {{-|[a]}} на мєсту {{-|[o]}} в слогах без ударјенја), фрикативно образованје {{-|/g/ — [ɣ]}}, мекко -т’ в доконченјах глаголов 3. особы ({{Lang|ru|но́сит’, но́сят’}}); форма {{Lang|ru|у жен[é]}}); слова с тымиже смыслами {{Lang|ru|лю́лька, зеленя́, бре́шет}} и т. д. Јешче једноју великоју групоју нарєчиј в русском језыку сут прєходне срєднерусске нарєчја. Оне не имајут обчих дља себе чрт, вмєсто того јих характеризује комбинација разных чрт из сєверных и јужных нарєчиј: все меджи срєднерусскых нарєчиј обсегајут, из једној страны, сєвернорусскы експлозивны изговор {{-|/g/}}, а из иној страны, јужнорусско аканје. Дља нарєчиј поздного образованја сут характерне одсутство јасного диалектичного дељенја, пестрост нарєчиј с малыми оземјами, бытје смєшаных нарєчиј прєселенцев из разных крајин, прєд всем повторенје чрт, кторы сут вєдоме в оземјах ранего образованја. [[Fajl:Диалектологическая-карта-1965.png|thumb|Диалектологична карта русского језыка 1965 рока с нарєчјами на основє јих првотного образованја]] Сугласно диалектичној дєлбе русского језыка, ктору прєдложили в 1965 року совєтске језыковєдкы Капитолина Захарова и Варвара Орлова, срєд сєверных, јужных и срєднерусскых нарєчиј удєљајут слєдне групы нарєчиј и нарєчја, кторе не приступајут до самостојных груп: * Сєверно нарєчје: ** Ладого-тихвинска група нарєчиј ** Меджузоналне нарєчја сєверного нарєчја *** онєжска група нарєчиј *** лачске нарєчја *** бєлозерско-бєжецке нарєчја ** Вологодска и костромска групы нарєчиј ** Архангељска (поморска) група нарєчиј * Јужно нарєчје: ** Западна група нарєчиј: *** врхноднєпровска група нарєчиј *** врхнодєснинска група нарєчиј ** Меджузоналне нарєчја А јужного нарєчја ** Курско-орловска група нарєчиј ** Меджузоналне нарєчја Б јужного нарєчја *** туљска група нарєчиј *** јелецке нарєчја *** оскољске нарєчја ** Рјазанска (източна) група нарєчиј * Срєднерусске нарєчја: ** Западне срєднерусске наречја *** западне срєднерусске окајуче наречја **** новгородске нарєчја **** гдовска група нарєчиј *** западне срєднерусске акајуче наречја **** псковска група нарєчиј **** сєлигеро-торжковске нарєчја ** Източне срєднерусске нарєчја *** източне срєднерусске окајуче нарєчја **** владимирско-поволжска група нарєчиј (вкључаје твєрску и нижноновгородску подгрупы) *** източне срєднерусске акајуче нарєчја **** отдел А източных срєднерусскых акајучих нарєчиј **** отдел Б източных срєднерусскых акајучих нарєчиј **** отдел В източных срєднерусскых акајучих нарєчиј **** нарєчја чухломского острова Кромє нарєчиј и групп нарєчиј удєљајут такоже особливе оземне јединице — диалектичне зоны, кторе играјут помочну рољу: западна, сєверна, сєверозападна, сєверноизточна, јужна, југозападна, југоизточна и централна зоны. == Писмо == Дља писма в русском језыку користајут алфабет на основє [[Кирилица|кирилицы]]. Соврєменны русскы алфабет јест кирилица в граджанској модификацији. Кириличскы алфабет был створјены на основє бизантијского [[Гречскы алфабет|гречского алфабета]] с додатком букв дља означенја особливых словјанскых гласок. На Руси кирилицу почели користати не позднєје почетка 10. столєтја, а широко разпространила се она в процесу христијанизације. С 10. по 18. столєтја тип фонта русској кирилице имал измєны — в разны час користали [[устав]], [[полуустав]], [[скоропис]] и т. д. С 18. столєтја кириличскы алфабет користајут једино в вєрозаконној книжевности, а во всих иных областах користајут [[граджанскы шрифт]], кторы введл Пјотр 1. в 1708 року. Надаље изглед и правопис прошли ред измєн (наибоље значне из кторых были в реформє 1918 рока), послє кторых были изкључене буквы {{-|[[І (kirilica)|і]], [[ѣ]], [[ѳ]]}} и {{-|[[ѵ]]}}, была доданоју буква {{-|й}} и опционаљно буква {{-|ё}}. Днешње без малого всекде користајут изглед и правопис 1918 рока, једино малы удєл изданиј внє Росије користаје «дореформены правопис». Соврєменны алфабет русского језыка имаје 33 буквы. {| class="wikitable" |+ Алфабет русского језыка ! Буква ! Обычны изговор ! Назва в језыку |- | {{-|[[А (kirilica)|А а]]}} | {{-|/a/}} | а |- | {{-|[[Б|Б б]]}} | {{-|/b/}} | бе |- | {{-|[[В (kirilica)|В в]]}} | {{-|/v/}} | ве |- | {{-|[[Г|Г г]]}} | {{-|/ɡ/}} | ге |- | {{-|[[Д|Д д]]}} | {{-|/d/}} | де |- | {{-|[[Е (kirilica)|Е е]]}} | {{-|/je/}} или {{-|/ʲe/}} | је |- | [[Ё (kirilica)|Ё ё]] | {{-|/jo/}} или {{-|/ʲo/}} | јо |- | {{-|[[Ж|Ж ж]]}} | {{-|/ʐ/}} | же |- | {{-|[[З|З з]]}} | {{-|/z/}} | зе |- | {{-|[[И|И и]]}} | {{-|/i/}} | и |- | {{-|[[Й|Й й]]}} | {{-|/j/}} | и кратка |- | {{-|[[К (kirilica)|К к]]}} | {{-|/k/}} | ка |- | {{-|[[Л|Л л]]}} | {{-|/l/}} | ељ |- | {{-|[[М (kirilica)|М м]]}} | {{-|/m/}} | ем |- | {{-|[[Н (kirilica)|Н н]]}} | {{-|/n/}} | ен |- | {{-|[[О (kirilica)|О о]]}} | {{-|/o/}} | о |- | {{-|[[П|П п]]}} | {{-|/p/}} | пе |- | {{-|[[Р (kirilica)|Р р]]}} | {{-|/r/}} | ре |- | {{-|[[С (kirilica)|С с]]}} | {{-|/s/}} | ес |- | {{-|[[Т (kirilica)|Т т]]}} | {{-|/t/}} | те |- | {{-|[[У (kirilica)|У у]]}} | {{-|/u/}} | у |- | {{-|[[Ф|Ф ф]]}} | {{-|/f/}} | еф |- | {{-|[[Х (kirilica)|Х х]]}} | {{-|/x/}} | ха |- | {{-|[[Ц|Ц ц]]}} | {{-|/ts/}} | це |- | {{-|[[Ч|Ч ч]]}} | {{-|/tɕ/}} | че |- | {{-|[[Ш|Ш ш]]}} | {{-|/ʂ/}} | ша |- | {{-|[[Щ|Щ щ]]}} | {{-|/ɕː/}} | шча |- | {{-|[[Ъ|Ъ ъ]]}} | {{-|/-/}} | тврды знак |- | {{-|[[Ы|Ы ы]]}} | {{-|/ɨ/}} | ы |- | {{-|[[Ь|Ь ь]]}} | {{-|/ʲ/}} | меккы знак |- | {{-|[[Э|Э э]]}} | {{-|/e/}} | е |- | {{-|[[Ю|Ю ю]]}} | {{-|/ju/}} или {{-|/ʲu/}} | ју |- | {{-|[[Я|Я я]]}} | {{-|/ja/}} или {{-|/ʲa/}} | ја |} Правопис русского језыка односи се к морфологичному типу с елементами фонетичного и традицијного типов. Разне виды морфема с различјем в положенју гласок пишут равнако: {{-|водá [vɐˈda] — во́ды [ˈvodɨ]}}, {{-|дуб [dup] — дубы́ [dʊˈbɨ]}}. Фонетичны принцип користајут в невеликом числу случајев. К јему односи се запис прєдрасток с конечноју гласкоју {{-|/z/}}: {{-|разбить, безоружный}}) прєд буквоју, ктора прєдаје самогласку и звучну сугласку, але {{-|воспалённый, исписать}} прєд буквоју, ктора прєдаје беззвучну сугласку. Такоже к јему односи се запис {{-|ы}} вмєсто {{-|и}} в почетку корења послє прєдрасток с тврдоју сугласкоју на концу: {{-|предыстория, разыграть}} и т. д. Невелико јест и число случајев традицијного типа записа: {{-|собака, генеалогия, колибри, расти, доброго, ночь}} (але {{-|луч}}) и т. д. Ударјенје в русском језыку на писму обычно не означајут, једным из случајев, когды знак ударјенја ´ могут написати над самогласкоју, јест нуджа различати хомографы: {{Lang|ru|зáмок}} и {{Lang|ru|замóк}}. == Хисторија == В хисторији русского језыка удєљајут три основных периоды: # староизточнословјанскы (такоже јест знајемы како дрєвнорусскы) # старорусскы # период народного језыка О староизточнословјанском језыку обычајно мнєвајут в русистикє како почетковом ступењу хисторичного развоја русского језыка, але јего хисторија јест обча хисторија всех соврєменных језыков източнословјанској групы. == Внєшње линкы == {{Vikipedija na jezyku|ru}} {{Prěvod|ru|Русский язык|revizija=113881205}} {{Zakončiti prěvod|ru|Русский язык|data=2023-05}} {{Slovjanske jezyky}} {{Članok s zvězdoju}} [[Kategorija:Словјанске језыкы]] [[Kategorija:Росија]] [[Kategorija:Бєлорус]] {{INTERWIKI|Q7737}} e4sxxelxbkncpygu8z6cafl13q9zw44 0 4528 27900 27790 2026-07-02T16:58:40Z Ilja isv 10 /* */ 27900 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka Videoigrova serija|logotip=Logo Mass Effect.svg|razrabotniki=[[BioWare]]|platformy=[[PlayStation 3]], [[PlayStation 4]], [[Xbox 360]], [[Xbox One]], [[Microsoft Windows|Windows]], [[iOS]], [[Android]], [[Wii U]]|igromotory=[[Unreal Engine]], [[Frostbite Engine]]|prvaigra=[[Mass Effect (igra)|Mass Effect]]|žanry=[[Strěljanka od tretjego lica]], {{-|[[Action RPG]]}}|oficialnysajt=https://www.ea.com/games/mass-effect|izdatelji=[[Microsoft Studios]], [[Electronic Arts]]}} '''{{-|Mass Effect}}''' — jest naučno-fantastična medija-serija, ktoru sut stvorili [[Casey Hudson|Kejsi Hadson]] ({{Jezyky|en|Casey Hudson}}) i [[Drew Karpyshyn|Drju Karpišin]] ({{Jezyky|en|Drew Karpyshyn}}). V njej ide historija o dalekoj budučnosti, v ktoroj ljudi i inoplanetjani kolonizovali Mlěčny put s pomočju tehnologij najdavnih civilizacij. Medija-serija sodrživaje seriju igr, ktore stvorila kompanija {{-|[[BioWare]]}} i ktore izdali {{-|[[Microsoft Studios]]}} i {{-|[[Electronic Arts]]}}. V prvyh treh igrah ({{-|[[Mass Effect (igra)|Mass Effect 1]]}}, {{-|[[Mass Effect 2]]}} i {{-|[[Mass Effect 3]]}}) ide reč o boju komandira Šeparda i jegovogo odreda protiv Žnecov, ktori hčut izniščiti vsaku živnost v galaktikě. V {{-|[[Mass Effect: Andromeda]]}} dějanja idut poslě 600 let od {{-|Mass Effect 3}} i izlagajut o kolonistah, ktori kolonizujut [[Galaktika Andromedy|galaktiku Andromedy]]. Osnovne igry serije sut strěljanky od tretjego lica s elementami roljevoj igry. Igrač može izbirati različne varianty za odgovor v dialogah, ktore imajut vliv na dějanja. Misije igrač hodi so svojim odredom, s nektorymi iz ktoryh možno dělati romany. == Igry == {| class="wikitable" |+ !Leto !Nazva !Tvoritelj ! colspan="4" |Platformy |- | colspan="7" |'''Osnovna serija''' |- |2007 |{{-|[[Mass Effect (igra)|Mass Effect]]}} | rowspan="4" |[[BioWare]] | rowspan="3" |{{-|[[Xbox 360]]}} | rowspan="3" |{{-|[[PlayStation 3]]}} | rowspan="4" |{{-|[[Microsoft Windows|Windows]]}} | |- |2010 |{{-|[[Mass Effect 2]]}} | |- |2012 |{{-|[[Mass Effect 3]]}} |[[Wii U]] |- |2017 |{{-|[[Mass Effect: Andromeda]]}} |[[Xbox One]] |[[PlayStation 4]] | |- | colspan="7" |'''Kolekcije''' |- |2012 |Mass Effect Trilogy | rowspan="2" |[[BioWare]] |{{-|[[Xbox 360]]}} |{{-|[[PlayStation 3]]}} | rowspan="2" |{{-|[[Microsoft Windows|Windows]]}} | |- |2021 |[[Mass Effect: Legendary Edition]] |[[Xbox One]] |[[PlayStation 4]] | |- | colspan="7" |'''Mobilne igry''' |- |2009 |[[Mass Effect Galaxy]] |[[BioWare]] | rowspan="2" |[[iOS]] | | | |- |2012 |[[Mass Effect Infiltrator]] |[[IronMonkey Studios]] |[[Android]] |[[Windows Phone]] |[[BlackBerry 10]] |} == Aplikacije-programy == {| class="wikitable" |+ !Leto !Nazva !Tvoritelj ! colspan="2" |Platformy |- |2012 |Mass Effect Datapad | rowspan="2" |[[BioWare]] | rowspan="2" |[[iOS]] | rowspan="2" |[[Android]] |- |2017 |Mass Effect: Andromeda APEX HQ |} === Mass Effect Datapad === Mass Effect Datapad jest programa za mobilne aparaty, ktora dozvoljaje igračam gledati jihni status karty galaktiky v [[Mass Effect 3]] i dobyvati poslanja-soobčenja od vnutriigrovyh person. Datapad sodrži informaciju o personah, rasah, tehnikě, oružje i linije historiji světa Mass Effect. Mass Effect Datapad je byl oddaljen iz iOS AppStore i Google Play Store 5 Junja 2013-go leta<ref>[https://www.gamespot.com/articles/mass-effect-3-datapad-app-retired-today/1100-6409281/#:~:text=Electronic%20Arts%20has%20announced%20that,the%20mobile%2Doptimized%20N7HQ%20instead. Mass Effect 3 Datapad app retired today]</ref>. === Mass Effect: Andromeda APEX HQ === Mass Effect: Andromeda APEX HQ jest oficialna programa za mnogoigračnu-setevomreževu igru v [[Mass Effect: Andromeda]]. S pomočju Mass Effect: Andromeda APEX HQ igrači sut mogli uzrěti jihni progres v igrě, upravjati vnutriigrovymi personami i imati dostup do jihnih spiskov prijateljev. == Iztočniky == <references /> {{INTERWIKI|qid=Q953242}} [[Kategorija:Mass Effect]] [[Kategorija:Serije videoigr]] 93d0w770cb7ah3z4c3jt20xlyyp6i3z 27901 27900 2026-07-02T17:02:29Z Ilja isv 10 /* */ 27901 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka Videoigrova serija|logotip=Logo Mass Effect.svg|razrabotniki={{-|[[BioWare]]}}|platformy={{-|[[PlayStation 3]], [[PlayStation 4]], [[Xbox 360]], [[Xbox One]], [[Microsoft Windows|Windows]], [[iOS]], [[Android]], [[Wii U]]}}|igromotory={{-|[[Unreal Engine]], [[Frostbite Engine]]}}|prvaigra={{-|[[Mass Effect (igra)|Mass Effect]]}}|žanry=[[Strěljanka od tretjego lica]], {{-|[[Action RPG]]}}|oficialnysajt={{-|[https://www.ea.com/games/mass-effect mass-effect]}}|izdatelji={{-|[[Microsoft Studios]], [[Electronic Arts]]}}}} '''{{-|Mass Effect}}''' — jest naučno-fantastična medija-serija, ktoru sut stvorili [[Casey Hudson|Kejsi Hadson]] ({{Jezyky|en|Casey Hudson}}) i [[Drew Karpyshyn|Drju Karpišin]] ({{Jezyky|en|Drew Karpyshyn}}). V njej ide historija o dalekoj budučnosti, v ktoroj ljudi i inoplanetjani kolonizovali Mlěčny put s pomočju tehnologij najdavnih civilizacij. Medija-serija sodrživaje seriju igr, ktore stvorila kompanija {{-|[[BioWare]]}} i ktore izdali {{-|[[Microsoft Studios]]}} i {{-|[[Electronic Arts]]}}. V prvyh treh igrah ({{-|[[Mass Effect (igra)|Mass Effect 1]]}}, {{-|[[Mass Effect 2]]}} i {{-|[[Mass Effect 3]]}}) ide reč o boju komandira Šeparda i jegovogo odreda protiv Žnecov, ktori hčut izniščiti vsaku živnost v galaktikě. V {{-|[[Mass Effect: Andromeda]]}} dějanja idut poslě 600 let od {{-|Mass Effect 3}} i izlagajut o kolonistah, ktori kolonizujut [[Galaktika Andromedy|galaktiku Andromedy]]. Osnovne igry serije sut strěljanky od tretjego lica s elementami roljevoj igry. Igrač može izbirati različne varianty za odgovor v dialogah, ktore imajut vliv na dějanja. Misije igrač hodi so svojim odredom, s nektorymi iz ktoryh možno dělati romany. == Igry == {| class="wikitable" |+ !Leto !Nazva !Tvoritelj ! colspan="4" |Platformy |- | colspan="7" |'''Osnovna serija''' |- |2007 |{{-|[[Mass Effect (igra)|Mass Effect]]}} | rowspan="4" |[[BioWare]] | rowspan="3" |{{-|[[Xbox 360]]}} | rowspan="3" |{{-|[[PlayStation 3]]}} | rowspan="4" |{{-|[[Microsoft Windows|Windows]]}} | |- |2010 |{{-|[[Mass Effect 2]]}} | |- |2012 |{{-|[[Mass Effect 3]]}} |[[Wii U]] |- |2017 |{{-|[[Mass Effect: Andromeda]]}} |[[Xbox One]] |[[PlayStation 4]] | |- | colspan="7" |'''Kolekcije''' |- |2012 |Mass Effect Trilogy | rowspan="2" |[[BioWare]] |{{-|[[Xbox 360]]}} |{{-|[[PlayStation 3]]}} | rowspan="2" |{{-|[[Microsoft Windows|Windows]]}} | |- |2021 |[[Mass Effect: Legendary Edition]] |[[Xbox One]] |[[PlayStation 4]] | |- | colspan="7" |'''Mobilne igry''' |- |2009 |[[Mass Effect Galaxy]] |[[BioWare]] | rowspan="2" |[[iOS]] | | | |- |2012 |[[Mass Effect Infiltrator]] |[[IronMonkey Studios]] |[[Android]] |[[Windows Phone]] |[[BlackBerry 10]] |} == Aplikacije-programy == {| class="wikitable" |+ !Leto !Nazva !Tvoritelj ! colspan="2" |Platformy |- |2012 |Mass Effect Datapad | rowspan="2" |[[BioWare]] | rowspan="2" |[[iOS]] | rowspan="2" |[[Android]] |- |2017 |Mass Effect: Andromeda APEX HQ |} === Mass Effect Datapad === Mass Effect Datapad jest programa za mobilne aparaty, ktora dozvoljaje igračam gledati jihni status karty galaktiky v [[Mass Effect 3]] i dobyvati poslanja-soobčenja od vnutriigrovyh person. Datapad sodrži informaciju o personah, rasah, tehnikě, oružje i linije historiji světa Mass Effect. Mass Effect Datapad je byl oddaljen iz iOS AppStore i Google Play Store 5 Junja 2013-go leta<ref>[https://www.gamespot.com/articles/mass-effect-3-datapad-app-retired-today/1100-6409281/#:~:text=Electronic%20Arts%20has%20announced%20that,the%20mobile%2Doptimized%20N7HQ%20instead. Mass Effect 3 Datapad app retired today]</ref>. === Mass Effect: Andromeda APEX HQ === Mass Effect: Andromeda APEX HQ jest oficialna programa za mnogoigračnu-setevomreževu igru v [[Mass Effect: Andromeda]]. S pomočju Mass Effect: Andromeda APEX HQ igrači sut mogli uzrěti jihni progres v igrě, upravjati vnutriigrovymi personami i imati dostup do jihnih spiskov prijateljev. == Iztočniky == <references /> {{INTERWIKI|qid=Q953242}} [[Kategorija:Mass Effect]] [[Kategorija:Serije videoigr]] 1fcuiuuwstfe8150j5gln1xaskeuipp 27902 27901 2026-07-02T17:03:42Z Ilja isv 10 /* */ 27902 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka Videoigrova serija|nazva={{-|Mass Effect}}|logotip=Logo Mass Effect.svg|razrabotniki={{-|[[BioWare]]}}|platformy={{-|[[PlayStation 3]], [[PlayStation 4]], [[Xbox 360]], [[Xbox One]], [[Microsoft Windows|Windows]], [[iOS]], [[Android]], [[Wii U]]}}|igromotory={{-|[[Unreal Engine]], [[Frostbite Engine]]}}|prvaigra={{-|[[Mass Effect (igra)|Mass Effect]]}}|žanry=[[Strěljanka od tretjego lica]], {{-|[[Action RPG]]}}|oficialnysajt={{-|[https://www.ea.com/games/mass-effect mass-effect]}}|izdatelji={{-|[[Microsoft Studios]], [[Electronic Arts]]}}}} '''{{-|Mass Effect}}''' — jest naučno-fantastična medija-serija, ktoru sut stvorili [[Casey Hudson|Kejsi Hadson]] ({{Jezyky|en|Casey Hudson}}) i [[Drew Karpyshyn|Drju Karpišin]] ({{Jezyky|en|Drew Karpyshyn}}). V njej ide historija o dalekoj budučnosti, v ktoroj ljudi i inoplanetjani kolonizovali Mlěčny put s pomočju tehnologij najdavnih civilizacij. Medija-serija sodrživaje seriju igr, ktore stvorila kompanija {{-|[[BioWare]]}} i ktore izdali {{-|[[Microsoft Studios]]}} i {{-|[[Electronic Arts]]}}. V prvyh treh igrah ({{-|[[Mass Effect (igra)|Mass Effect 1]]}}, {{-|[[Mass Effect 2]]}} i {{-|[[Mass Effect 3]]}}) ide reč o boju komandira Šeparda i jegovogo odreda protiv Žnecov, ktori hčut izniščiti vsaku živnost v galaktikě. V {{-|[[Mass Effect: Andromeda]]}} dějanja idut poslě 600 let od {{-|Mass Effect 3}} i izlagajut o kolonistah, ktori kolonizujut [[Galaktika Andromedy|galaktiku Andromedy]]. Osnovne igry serije sut strěljanky od tretjego lica s elementami roljevoj igry. Igrač može izbirati različne varianty za odgovor v dialogah, ktore imajut vliv na dějanja. Misije igrač hodi so svojim odredom, s nektorymi iz ktoryh možno dělati romany. == Igry == {| class="wikitable" |+ !Leto !Nazva !Tvoritelj ! colspan="4" |Platformy |- | colspan="7" |'''Osnovna serija''' |- |2007 |{{-|[[Mass Effect (igra)|Mass Effect]]}} | rowspan="4" |[[BioWare]] | rowspan="3" |{{-|[[Xbox 360]]}} | rowspan="3" |{{-|[[PlayStation 3]]}} | rowspan="4" |{{-|[[Microsoft Windows|Windows]]}} | |- |2010 |{{-|[[Mass Effect 2]]}} | |- |2012 |{{-|[[Mass Effect 3]]}} |[[Wii U]] |- |2017 |{{-|[[Mass Effect: Andromeda]]}} |[[Xbox One]] |[[PlayStation 4]] | |- | colspan="7" |'''Kolekcije''' |- |2012 |Mass Effect Trilogy | rowspan="2" |[[BioWare]] |{{-|[[Xbox 360]]}} |{{-|[[PlayStation 3]]}} | rowspan="2" |{{-|[[Microsoft Windows|Windows]]}} | |- |2021 |[[Mass Effect: Legendary Edition]] |[[Xbox One]] |[[PlayStation 4]] | |- | colspan="7" |'''Mobilne igry''' |- |2009 |[[Mass Effect Galaxy]] |[[BioWare]] | rowspan="2" |[[iOS]] | | | |- |2012 |[[Mass Effect Infiltrator]] |[[IronMonkey Studios]] |[[Android]] |[[Windows Phone]] |[[BlackBerry 10]] |} == Aplikacije-programy == {| class="wikitable" |+ !Leto !Nazva !Tvoritelj ! colspan="2" |Platformy |- |2012 |Mass Effect Datapad | rowspan="2" |[[BioWare]] | rowspan="2" |[[iOS]] | rowspan="2" |[[Android]] |- |2017 |Mass Effect: Andromeda APEX HQ |} === Mass Effect Datapad === Mass Effect Datapad jest programa za mobilne aparaty, ktora dozvoljaje igračam gledati jihni status karty galaktiky v [[Mass Effect 3]] i dobyvati poslanja-soobčenja od vnutriigrovyh person. Datapad sodrži informaciju o personah, rasah, tehnikě, oružje i linije historiji světa Mass Effect. Mass Effect Datapad je byl oddaljen iz iOS AppStore i Google Play Store 5 Junja 2013-go leta<ref>[https://www.gamespot.com/articles/mass-effect-3-datapad-app-retired-today/1100-6409281/#:~:text=Electronic%20Arts%20has%20announced%20that,the%20mobile%2Doptimized%20N7HQ%20instead. Mass Effect 3 Datapad app retired today]</ref>. === Mass Effect: Andromeda APEX HQ === Mass Effect: Andromeda APEX HQ jest oficialna programa za mnogoigračnu-setevomreževu igru v [[Mass Effect: Andromeda]]. S pomočju Mass Effect: Andromeda APEX HQ igrači sut mogli uzrěti jihni progres v igrě, upravjati vnutriigrovymi personami i imati dostup do jihnih spiskov prijateljev. == Iztočniky == <references /> {{INTERWIKI|qid=Q953242}} [[Kategorija:Mass Effect]] [[Kategorija:Serije videoigr]] l8ozs5g4oelm0ewjxobnhwcy5zws51o 3 4537 27915 27091 2026-07-02T19:09:21Z IJzeren Jan 9 27915 wikitext text/x-wiki == Thanks! == Hello @[[Koristnik:Jon Harald Søby|Jon Harald Søby]]! Thank you for creating this Interslavic Wikipedia, that came faster than I expected, because usually it's a phabricator task that takes a few weeks or months to be implemented. Anyway, it looks great! That said, I noticed that some of the namespaces have not been translated yet. Would it be possible to change the names of the following namespaces: * Wikipedia → Vikipedija * Besěda o Wikipedia → Besěda o Vikipediji * Module → Modul * Module talk → Besěda o modulu Second thing, the Wikipedia logo at the top of each page should be changed to [[:File:Wikipedia-logo-v2-isv.svg]] (or something similar). Third thing: on the Recent changes and similar pages, the name of the month is still written in the nominative, but it should be in the genitive. Do you know if there is a way to fix that? And one more thing. Not that it is of the utmost importance, but on [[:meta:List of Wikipedias]] I saw Interslavic listed under the name "medžuslovjansky", which is strange, because all other languages are listed under their English names. At last, I'm sure a few issues regaring transliteration will come up, but I'll leave that for later. Thanks again! Best regards, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:34, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) :{{ping|IJeren Jan}} Not Jon but the logo and project namespace name should be changed after [[gerrit:1305476]] is merged. You will have to create another task on [[phab:|Phabricator]] for the Module namespace. --11:26, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Indeed, I see the logo and the Vikipedija namespace are fine now! As for the module namespace, it's not THAT important, so I guess I'll leave it as it is. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:50, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Hello again, @[[Koristnik:Jon Harald Søby|Jon Harald Søby]]! The namespaces and the logo are fine now, and the probleem with the English name of the language seems to have been solved as well. There are, however, a few remaining issues: # The alphabetical order within categories should be adapted to the Interslavic alphabets (see: [[Vikipedija:Krčma#Alphabetical order]]). # Same goes for the formatting of dates, and the use of the genitive in the names of months (see: [[Vikipedija:Krčma#Dates]]). # The namespace "Special:" should be renamed to "Specialna:". # Although the titles of almost all Special pages on [[Special:SpecialPages]] have been translated, the pages they link to are still in English. # Also, I noticed that some of them still don't work (for example: [[Special:WantedCategories]]). I know from other projects that pages like that are automatically refreshed every couple of days, but even after ten days they still don't work. Do you know how that works? # The code '''isv''' still doesn't work on Wikidata. # As far as I can see, the transliteration system works perfectly fine. The only disadvantage of working with two alphabets is that we basically need to have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic, which is doable but highly unpractical. Do you think it would be possible to block article titles in categories from being transliterated, and/or whether it would be possible to manipulate the way pages are shown in categories? That's all I can think of right now. Your help or advice will be appreciated! 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V pismennosti oni sut jednake s [[Kitajske čislovniky|kitajskymi čislovnikami]], a velike čisla slědujut kitajskomu stilju s grupovanjem po 10,000. Koristajut se dva izgovory: sino-japonsko čitanje [[Kitajske hieroglify|kitajskyh hieroglifov]] ([[On'yomi|{{lang|en|on'yomi}}]]) i japonsko čitanje {{lang|en|[[Wago|yamato kotoba]]}} (rodne slova, {{lang|en|[[kun'yomi]]}}). ==Čisla v japonskom jezyku== Sut dva sposoby, kako pisati čisla v japonskom jezyku, [[Arabske cifry|arabskymi ciframi]] (1, 2, 3) ili [[Kitajske čislovniky|kitajskymi čislovnikami]] ({{lang|zh|一}}, {{lang|zh|二}}, {{lang|zh|三}}). Arabske cifry sut vyše često koristane pri [[Horizontalno i vertikalno pisanje v Iztočno aziatskoj pismennosti|horizontalnom pisanju]], a kitajske čisla sut vyše obyčajne pri [[Horizontalno i vertikalno pisanje v Iztočno aziatskoj pismennosti|vertikalnom pisanju]]. Věčšinstvo cifr imaje dva čitanja, kako i večšinstvo [[Kitajsko pismo|kandži]], to, ktoro jest izvedeno od kitajskogo čitanja, koristaje se za redne čislovniky ([[on'yomi|čitanje {{lang|en|On}}]] ) a rodno japonsko čitanje ([[kun'yomi|čitanje {{lang|en|Kun}}]]) koristaje se nemnogo menje formalno za čisla do 10. V něktoryh slučajah (privedenyh dole), japonsko čitanje obyčno jest preferovano za vse izkoristanja. Arhaične čitanja sut označene †. {| class="wikitable nounderlines" ! Čislo ! Znak ! Izgovor {{lang|en|On}} ! Izgovor {{lang|en|Kun}}<ref>{{cite book |script-title=ja:スーパー大辞林 |trans-title=Super [[Daijirin]] |language=ja |publisher=[[Sanseidō]] }}</ref> ! Prědnostny izgovor |- | align="right" | [[0]] | {{lang|ja|零}} / {{lang|ja|〇}}{{sup|*}} | {{Nihongo||れい|rei}} | {{Nihongo||まる|maru}} | {{Nihongo||ゼロ|zero}} ([[Pozajetje (lingvistika)|pozajetje]], {{lang|en|[[Loanwords in Japanese|gairaigo]]}}) |- | align="right" | [[1]] | {{lang|ja|一}} | {{Nihongo||いち|ichi}} | {{Nihongo||ひと・つ|hito(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||いち|ichi}} |- | align="right" | [[2]] | {{lang|ja|二}} | {{Nihongo||に|ni}} | {{Nihongo||ふた・つ|futa(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||に|ni}} |- | align="right" | [[3]] | {{lang|ja|三}} | {{Nihongo||さん|san}} | {{Nihongo||みっ・つ|mit(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||さん|san}} |- | align="right" | [[4]] | {{lang|ja|四}} | {{Nihongo||し|shi}} | {{lang|en|yon}}, {{Nihongo||よん、よっ・つ|yot(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||よん|yon}} |- | align="right" | [[5]] | {{lang|ja|五}} | {{Nihongo||ご|go}} | {{Nihongo||いつ・つ|itsu(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||ご|go}} |- | align="right" | [[6]] | {{lang|ja|六}} | {{Nihongo||ろく|roku}} | {{Nihongo||むっ・つ|mut(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||ろく|roku}} |- | align="right" | [[7]] | {{lang|ja|七}} | {{Nihongo||しち|shichi}} | {{Nihongo||なな・つ|nana(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||なな|nana}} |- | align="right" | [[8]] | {{lang|ja|八}} | {{Nihongo||はち|hachi}} | {{Nihongo||やっ・つ|yat(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||はち|hachi}} |- | align="right" | [[9]] | {{lang|ja|九}} | {{lang|ja|ku}}, {{Nihongo||く, きゅう|kyū}} | {{Nihongo||ここの・つ|kokono(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||きゅう|kyū}} |- | align="right" | [[10]] | {{lang|ja|十}} | {{Nihongo||じゅう|jū}} | {{Nihongo||とお|tō}} | {{Nihongo||じゅう|jū}} |- | align="right" | [[20 (number)|20]] | {{lang|ja|二十}} | {{Nihongo||にじゅう|ni-jū}} | {{Nihongo||はた|hata}}† | {{Nihongo||にじゅう|ni-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[30 (number)|30]] | {{lang|ja|三十}} | {{Nihongo||さんじゅう|san-jū}} | {{Nihongo||みそ|miso}}† | {{Nihongo||さんじゅう|san-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[40 (number)|40]] | {{lang|ja|四十}} | {{Nihongo||しじゅう|shi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||よそ|yoso}}† | {{Nihongo||よんじゅう|yon-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[50 (number)|50]] | {{lang|ja|五十}} | {{Nihongo||ごじゅう|go-jū}} | {{Nihongo||いそ|iso}}† | {{Nihongo||ごじゅう|go-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[60 (number)|60]] | {{lang|ja|六十}} | {{Nihongo||ろくじゅう|roku-jū}} | {{Nihongo||むそ|muso}}† | {{Nihongo||ろくじゅう|roku-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[70 (number)|70]] | {{lang|ja|七十}} | {{Nihongo||しちじゅう|shichi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||ななそ|nanaso}}† | {{Nihongo||ななじゅう|nana-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[80 (number)|80]] | {{lang|ja|八十}} | {{Nihongo||はちじゅう|hachi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||やそ|yaso}}† | {{Nihongo||はちじゅう|hachi-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[90 (number)|90]] | {{lang|ja|九十}} | {{Nihongo||くじゅう|ku-jū}} | {{Nihongo||ここのそ|kokonoso}}† | {{Nihongo||きゅうじゅう|kyū-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[100]] | {{lang|ja|百}} | {{Nihongo||ひゃく|hyaku}} | {{Nihongo||もも|momo}}† | {{Nihongo||ひゃく|hyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[500 (number)|500]] | {{lang|ja|五百}} | {{Nihongo||ごひゃく|go-hyaku}} | {{Nihongo||いお|io}}† | {{Nihongo||ごひゃく|go-hyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[800 (number)|800]] | {{lang|ja|八百}} | {{Nihongo||はっぴゃく|hap-pyaku}} | {{Nihongo||やお|yao}}† | {{Nihongo||はっぴゃく|hap-pyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[1000 (number)|1,000]] | {{lang|ja|千}} | {{Nihongo||せん|sen}} | {{Nihongo||ち|chi}}† | {{Nihongo||せん|sen}} |- | align="right" | [[10,000]] | {{lang|ja|万}} | {{Nihongo||まん|man}} | {{Nihongo||よろず|yorozu}}† | {{Nihongo||まん|man}} |- | align="right" | [[100,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|億}} | {{Nihongo||おく|oku}} |— | {{Nihongo||おく|oku}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)#1012|1,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|兆}} | {{Nihongo||ちょう|chō}} |— | {{Nihongo||ちょう|chō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10,000,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|京}} | {{Nihongo||けい|kei}} |— | {{Nihongo||けい|kei}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|100,000,000,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|垓}} | {{Nihongo||がい|gai}} |— | {{Nihongo||がい|gai}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10²⁴]] | {{lang|ja|𥝱}} | {{Nihongo||じょ|jo}} |— | {{Nihongo||じょ|jo}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10²⁸]] | {{lang|ja|穣}} | {{Nihongo||じょう|jō}} |— | {{Nihongo||じょう|jō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10³²]] | {{lang|ja|溝}} | {{Nihongo||こう|kō}} |— | {{Nihongo||こう|kō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10³⁶]] | {{lang|ja|澗}} | {{Nihongo||かん|kan}} |— | {{Nihongo||かん|kan}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁰]] | {{lang|ja|正}} | {{Nihongo||せい|sei}} |— | {{Nihongo||せい|sei}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁴]] | {{lang|ja|載}} | {{Nihongo||さい|sai}} |— | {{Nihongo||さい|sai}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁸]] | {{lang|ja|極}} | {{Nihongo||ごく|goku}} |— | {{Nihongo||ごく|goku}} |} <small><nowiki>*</nowiki> Imaje se takože specialno čitanje 〇 ({{-|''maru''}}), čto označaje "krugly" ili "krug". Ono može koristati se opcionalno, kogda čitajut se odděljene cifry v nomeru jedna po jednoj, vměsto vsego čisla. Polpularnym priměrom jest [[109 (trgovy dom)|znamenity magazin "109"]] v četvrti [[Shibuya|Šibuja, Tokio]], ktory čitaje se kako {{lang|en|ichi-maru-kyū}} (Kandži: {{lang|ja|一〇九}}). (On takože može čitati se kako 'deset-devet'— izgovarjaje se {{lang|en|tō-kyū}} — čto jest igra slov s nazvanjem tokijskogo trgovogo doma, ktory vladaje budynkom.) Tuto izkoristanje {{lang|en|maru}} za čislnu 0 jest podobno poněkogdomu čitanju čisla 0 v anglijskom jezyku kako {{-| ''oh''}}. Jednakože, kako čislo, jego jedino zapisyvajut kako 0 ili {{Nihongo|零|{{-|rei}}}}. Čtovyše, dva i pet izgovarjajut s dolgoju samoglaskoju v telefoničnyh nomerah (napr. {{lang|ja|にい}} {{lang|en|nī}} i {{lang|ja|ごお}} {{lang|en|gō}}). Čisla poslě {{lang|en|kei}} koristajut rědko. Tym ne menje, oni sut prědstavjene tut.</small> Kako odměčaje se vyše, {{lang|en|yon}} (4) i {{lang|en|nana}} (7) sut uprědnostnjene nad {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}}. Prědpokladaje se, že tuto jest svezano s tym, že {{lang|en|shi}} jest takože čitanjem slova 死 (smrt), čto děljae jego neščestlivym čitanjem (gledite [[tetrafobija]]); dokolě {{lang|en|shichi}} može zvučati velmi slično s {{lang|en|ichi}} (1), {{lang|en|shi}} ili {{lang|en|hachi}} (8). Jednakože, v cělom redu stanovjenyh slov i rěčenij, {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}} sut stale preferovane; tako, pri sčitanju (kako v {{lang|en|"ichi, ni, san, shi,..."}}), {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}} mogut iměti prědnost. Čislo 9 takože mněvaje se nesčestlivym; kogda izgovarjaje se {{lang|en|ku}}, ono sozvučno 苦 (stradanje). Čislo 13 poněkogda mněvaje se nesčestlivym, ale jest to kalka [[Triskaidekafobia|zapadnoj tradicije]]. Naprotiv, 7 i poněkogda 8 mněvajut se sčestlivymi u japoncev.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://lingualift.com/blog/lucky-unlucky-numbers-japan/|title=The number of death: Lucky and unlucky numbers in Japan|website=The Science of Language Self-Study {{!}} LinguaLift Blog|access-date=2016-03-24}}</ref> V sovrěmennom japonskom jezyku, redne čislovniky pomimo 4 i 7 sut obyčno koristane v čitanju {{lang|en|on}}. Alternativno čitanje byvaje v nazvah měsecev, čislah dnjev v měsecu i stalyh izrazah; napriměr, april, julij, i september nazyvajut se {{lang|en|'''shi'''-gatsu}} (4. měsec), {{lang|en|'''shichi'''-gatsu}} (7. měsec), i {{lang|en|'''ku'''-gatsu}} (9. měsec). Čitanja {{lang|en|on}} takože koristajut pri prěklikanju dlja samosčitanja ljudij (nap. {{lang|en|ichi-ni-san-shi}}). Večši čisla stvarjajut, kombinujuči tute elementy: *desetky od 20 do 90 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-jū}}" kako od {{Nihongo|二十|{{-|ni-jū}}}} do {{Nihongo|九十|{{-|kyū-jū}}}}. *sotky od 200 do 900 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-hyaku}}". *tyseče od 2000 do 9000 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-sen}}". Počinajuči od {{Nihongo|miriady|万}}, čisla začinajut se s {{Nihongo|一|{{-|ichi}}}}, ako ne jest prisutna ina cifra. Tako, 100 bude prosto {{Nihongo|百|{{-|hyaku}}}}, 1000 jest prosto {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}, ale 10000 uže{{Nihongo|一万|{{-|ichiman}}}}, vměsto prosto {{lang|en|man}}. (Tuto odličaje se od [[Kitajsky jezyk|kitajskogo jezyka]], kde čisla začinajut se s {{lang|zh|一}} ako ne jest druga ina cifra prěd njeju, uže od 100.) I jestli {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}} neposrědnje prědhodi kolikosti [[Miriada|miriad]], prěd {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}} obyčno dodavajut {{Nihongo|一|{{-|ichi}}}}, čto davaje {{Nihongo|一千|{{-|issen}}}}. Tako, 10,000,000 (bukvalno 1000,0000) obyčno čitajut kako {{Nihongo|一千万|{{-|issenman}}}}. Ale ako {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}} ''ne'' premo prědhodi kolikosti myriad, dodavanje {{Nihongo|一|ichi}}jest opcionalno. Tako, 15,000,000 (1500,0000) čitaje se kako {{Nihongo|千五百万|sengohyakuman}} ili {{Nihongo|一千五百万|issengohyakuman}}, ravno i kako 1500 čitaje se {{Nihongo|千五百|sengohyaku}} ili {{Nihongo|一千五百|issengohyaku}}. Sut i něktore fonetične modifikacije v ozvučanju něktoryh velikyh čisel, [[Oglasovanje i obezglasovanje suglasok|oglasovanje]] ili [[gemacija]] něktoryh suglasok, kako to često byvaje v japonskom jezyku (napr. {{lang|en|[[rendaku]]}}): napr. {{lang|en|roku}} "šest" i {{lang|en|hyaku}} "sto" dělajut {{lang|en|roppyaku}} "šestsot". {| class="wikitable" ! × !! 1 !! 2 !! 3 !! 4 !! 5 !! 6 !! 7 !! 8 !! 9 !! 10 !! 100 !! 1000 |- | align="right" | 100 | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hyaku, ippyaku}} | {{lang|en|nihyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sanbyaku}} | {{lang|en|yonhyaku}} | {{lang|en|gohyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|roppyaku}} | {{lang|en|nanahyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|happyaku}} | {{lang|en|kyūhyaku}} |— |— |— |- | align="right" | 1,000 | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sen, issen}} | {{lang|en|nisen}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sanzen}} | {{lang|en|yonsen}} | {{lang|en|gosen}} | {{lang|en|rokusen}} | {{lang|en|nanasen}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hassen}} | {{lang|en|kyūsen}} | — | — | — |- | align="right" | 10{{sup|12}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|itchō}} | {{lang|en|nichō}} | {{lang|en|sanchō}} | {{lang|en|yonchō}} | {{lang|en|gochō}} | {{lang|en|rokuchō}} | {{lang|en|nanachō}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hatchō}} | {{lang|en|kyūchō}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|jutchō}}* | {{lang|en|hyakuchō}} | {{lang|en|issenchō}} |- | align="right" | 10{{sup|16}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|ikkei}} | {{lang|en|nikei}} | {{lang|en|sankei}} | {{lang|en|yonkei}} | {{lang|en|gokei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|rokkei}} | {{lang|en|nanakei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hakkei}} | {{lang|en|kyūkei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|jukkei}}* | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hyakkei}}** | {{lang|en|issenkei}} |} <small><nowiki>*</nowiki> Takože priměnjaje se k kratnym 10. Koncovka měnjaje se od {{lang|en|-jū}} na {{lang|en|-jutchō}} ili {{lang|en|-jukkei}}.<br /><nowiki>**</nowiki> Takože priměnjaje se k kratnym 100. Koncovka {{lang|en|-ku}} měnjaje se na {{lang|en|-kkei}}.</small> V čislah nad 10, elementy sut soredjene, i ne koristajut se nuly. Japonske čislovniky imajut ne pozicijnu, a multiplikativno-aditivnu sistemu; da by napisati čislo 20, trěba napisati simbol {{Nihongo|"dva"|二}}, a potom simbol {{Nihongo|"deset"|十}}, da by polučiti dvě desetky ili {{Nihongo|"dvadeset"|二十}}. {| class="wikitable" ! Čislo !! Kandži !! Izgovor !Značenje |- | align="right" | 11 || {{lang|ja|十一}} || {{lang|en|jū ichi}} |deset i jedno |- | align="right" | 17 || {{lang|ja|十七}} || {{lang|en|jū nana, jū shichi}} |deset i sedm |- | align="right" | 151 || {{lang|ja|百五十一}} || {{lang|en|hyaku go-jū ichi}} |sto, pet desetok i jedno |- | align="right" | 302 || {{lang|ja|三百二}} || {{lang|en|san-byaku ni}} |tri sta i dva |- | align="right" | 469 || {{lang|ja|四百六十九}} || {{lang|en|yon-hyaku roku-jū kyū}} |četyri, šest desetok i devet |- | align="right" | 2025 || {{lang|ja|二千二十五}} || {{lang|en|ni-sen ni-jū go}} |dva tyseče, dvě desetky i pet |} ===Čislne redky i desetične čisla=== Japonske cifry od 1 do 9 obyčno se koristajut izolovano. Redky cifr imajut slegka inako čitanje s prodolženymi samoglaskami za 2 (''nī'') i 5 (''gō''), i menje često, 4 (''shī'') i 9 (''kū''). Tako dělajut zato, že kogda prěčisljajut cifry, ako možno, oni muset byti v grupah po dvě, každa iz njih musi sostojeti točno iz četyreh [[Mora (lingvistika)|mor]], čto dělaje neobhodnym prodolženje obyčno jednomornyh cifr kako ''ni'', ''go'', ''shi'' and ''ku''.<ref name=nhk-2005-2>{{cite web|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250622082124/https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20250601_1.html|url=https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20250601_1.html|archive-date=22 June 2025|lang=ja|script-title=ja:語の読み方（語形）について数字の読み方～小数の読み方～|work=NHK Bunken|publisher=NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute|last=Yamashita|first=Yōko|last2=Fujii|first2=Madoka|date=28 February 2025|access-date=23 September 2025|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250622082259/https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20180501_4.html|url=https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20180501_4.html|archive-date=22 June 2025|date=1 May 2018|lang=ja|script-title=ja:数詞の発音とアクセント|work=NHK Bunken|publisher=NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute|last=Sakurai|first=Shigeharu|last2=Akinaga|first2=Kazue|access-date=23 September 2025|url-status=live}}</ref> Napiměr, taky redok kako '''5'''4'''2'''62 se izgovarjaje {{-|'''''gō'''-yon '''nī'''-roku ni''}}, kde prve dvě grupy sut kvadrimoraične. [[Japonsko tonalno udarjenje|Udarjenje]] pri tom padaje prědposlědnju moru kažfoj grupy, ako li to jest možlivo, odsud {{-|[ɡoː jóɴ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲiː ɾókɯ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲí]}}.<ref name=hirayama-1961>{{cite book|lang=ja|script-title=ja:全国アクセント辞典|first=Teruo|last=Hirayama|publisher=Tōkyōdō|date=25 December 1961|p=897}}</ref> Tuto pravilo takože priměnjaje se k poslědnoj cifrě celoj česti čisla i ko vsim cifram desetičnoj česti desetičnogo čisla.<ref name=nhk-2005-2/><ref name=hirayama-1961/> Napriměr, tako desetično čislo kako 25'''2'''.'''25'''5 se izgovarjaje {{-|''nihyaku gojū '''nī'''-ten '''nī-gō''' go''}} {{-|[ɲiçjakɯ́ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɡodʑɯ́ː <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲíː teɴ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲiː ɡóː <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɡó]}}, kde ''ten'' označaje "točka". ===Druge tipy čisel=== V japonskyh [[Redny čislovnik|rednyh čislovnikah]] koristajut modifikaciju uměstnyh sčetnyh slov, sistema ktoryh v japonskom jezyku jest dosti [[Japonske sčetne slova|komplikovana]]. Da by prěvratiti sčetno slovo (sčislovnik) v ordinalny čislovnik, ktory označaje poziciju v redu, na koncu sčislovnika dodavajut {{lang|ja|目}} {{lang|en|me}}. Tako "jedin raz" bude prěkladati se kako {{lang|ja|一回}} {{lang|en|ikkai}}, a "prvy raz" bude se prěkladati {{lang|ja|一回目}} {{lang|en|ikkaime}}. Tuto pravilo jest ale nedoslědno, ako sčislovniky bez sufiksa {{lang|en|me}} često koristajut i v ordinalnom, i v [[Kardinalny čislovnik|kardinalnom]] smyslah. Napriměr, {{lang|ja|三階}} {{lang|en|sangai}} može označati kako "tri etaže", tako i "tretji etaž." [[Distributivny čislovnik|Distributivne čislovniky]] obyčno stvarjajut iz kardinalnogo čislovnika, sčetnogo slova i sufiksa {{Nihongo|{{-|''-zutsu''}}|ずつ|}}, napriklad {{Nihongo|{{-|''hitori-zutsu''}}|一人ずつ|po jednoj osobě za raz, po-jedno}}. == Stupnje 10 == === Velike čisla === Vslěd kitajskoj tradiciji, velike čisla se stvarjajut grupovanjem cifr v [[Miriada|miriady]] (10,000), na razliku od zapadnyh tyseč (1,000) <div class="overflowbugx" style="overflow-x:auto;"> {| class="wikitable" !align="left"|Red |10{{sup|4}} |10{{sup|8}} |10{{sup|12}} |10{{sup|16}} |10{{sup|20}} |10{{sup|24}} |10{{sup|28}} |10{{sup|32}} |10{{sup|36}} |10{{sup|40}} |10{{sup|44}} |10{{sup|48}} |10{{sup|52}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(ili 10{{sup|56}})}}</small> |10{{sup|56}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(ili 10{{sup|64}})}}</small> |10{{sup|60}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|72}})}}</small> |10{{sup|64}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|80}})}}</small> |10{{sup|68}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|88}})}}</small> |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|万}} |{{lang|ja|億}} |{{lang|ja|兆}} |{{lang|ja|京}} |{{lang|ja|垓}} |{{lang|ja|𥝱}}, {{lang|ja|秭}} |{{lang|ja|穣}} |{{lang|ja|溝}} |{{lang|ja|澗}} |{{lang|ja|正}} |{{lang|ja|載}} |{{lang|ja|極}} |{{lang|ja|恒河沙}} |{{lang|ja|阿僧祇}} |{{lang|ja|那由他}}, {{lang|ja|那由多}} |{{lang|ja|不可思議}} |{{lang|ja|無量大数}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|en|man}} |{{lang|en|oku}} |{{lang|en|chō}} |{{lang|en|kei}} |{{lang|en|gai}} |{{lang|en|jo}}, {{lang|en|shi}} |{{lang|en|jō}} |{{lang|en|kō}} |{{lang|en|kan}} |{{lang|en|sei}} |{{lang|en|sai}} |{{lang|en|goku}} |{{lang|en|gōgasha}} |{{lang|en|asōgi}} |{{lang|en|nayuta}} |{{lang|en|fukashigi}} |{{lang|en|muryōtaisū}} |}</div> Razhoděnja sut iz-za {{Nihongo|{{-|[[Jinkōki]]}}|塵劫記|}}, najstaršego matematičnogo teksta Japonije. Originalno izdavanje bylo opublikovano v lětu 1627 i imělo mnogo grěšek, věčšinstvo ktoryh bylo izpravjeno v izdavanju 1631 goda. V lětu 1634 izšlo ješče jedno izdavanje, kde opet bylo izměnjeno několiko veličin. Vyše uvedeno razhodženje jest obuslovjeno nesuglasnostju dvoh poslědnjih izdavanij. Sut razne znaky za 10{{sup|24}} (to jest {{lang|ja|秭}} v kitajskom jezyku tutčas), i po 10{{sup|48}} oni odličajut se tym, že prodolžajut s povyšenjem faktora 10{{sup|4}} ili prěključajut se na faktor 10{{sup|8}}. Ako koristaje se faktor 10{{sup|8}}, medžuintervalne koeficienty 10{{sup|4}} zakryvajut s pomočju {{Nihongo|万|man}}. Nastoječe izdavanje {{lang|en|Jinkōki}}, 11-to, slěduje faktoru 10{{sup|4}} črez cělu sistemu, hoti něktori ljudi ješče koristajut veličiny iz 8-go izdavanja daže tutčas. Poslědnje tri čisla s mnogoslogovymi nazvanjami i razhodženjem veličin proizhodet iz Indije, hoti tam oni ne iměli oprědeljennyh veličin. {{Nihongo|恒河沙||gōgasha}} prvonačelno koristalo se v budističskyh traktatah za označevanje bezměrno ogromnogo; ono proizhodi iz [[Sanskrit|sanskritskogo]] {{lang|sa|गङ्गा}} {{lang|en|gangā}} '[[Ganges|Ganga]]' (čto udobno vključaje znaky {{Nihongo|'rěka'|河|ka}} i {{Nihongo|'pěsok'|沙|sha}}, odsylajuči k neizčislimomu množstvu čestic pěska na rěkě Ganga. == Referencije == {{Iztočniky}} ==Vnješnje linky== <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> * {{lang|ja|[http://www.moroo.com/uzokusou/misc/suumei/suumei.html 大数の名前について]}} (na japonskom jezyku) * {{Cite web |url= http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanese.html | title = Ancient Japanese number system| archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20180829030749/http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanese.html |archive-date=2018-08-29}} * [http://www.solosequenosenada.com/gramatica/japanese/Learn_Japanese_Numbers.php English exercises for learning Japanese numerals] * [https://web.archive.org/web/20090324035049/http://www.learnjapanesewordsandphrases.com/learnjapanesenumbers.html Audio to learn the pronunciation for Japanese numbers] * [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/kanjinumbers.cgi Convert kanji numerals to arabic numerals] (sci. lang. Japan FAQ page) * [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/numbers.cgi Convert arabic numerals to kanji numerals] (sci. lang. Japan FAQ page) </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese numerals|}} {{Prěvod|ru|Японские числительные|}} [[Kategorija:Čisla]] [[Kategorija:Japonsky jezyk]] [[Kategorija:Čislovniky]] {{INTERWIKI|Q1337084}} 0nyv3pywfikdu7aaf6enzps9ih5fr8a 27936 27918 2026-07-03T09:18:04Z Ilja isv 10 /* Velike čisla */ 27936 wikitext text/x-wiki {{-|''Under construction''}} [[Fajl:Saitama restaurant calligraphic menu.jpg|thumb|Kaligrafično menju restorana v prefekturě Saitama s koristanjem tradicijnyh čislovnikov.]] {{nihongo|'''Japonske čislovniky'''|数詞|sūshi}} sut [[Čislovnik (lingvistika)|čislovniky]], koristane v [[Japonsky jezyk|japonskom jezyku]]. V pismennosti oni sut jednake s [[Kitajske čislovniky|kitajskymi čislovnikami]], a velike čisla slědujut kitajskomu stilju s grupovanjem po 10,000. Koristajut se dva izgovory: sino-japonsko čitanje [[Kitajske hieroglify|kitajskyh hieroglifov]] ([[On'yomi|{{lang|en|on'yomi}}]]) i japonsko čitanje {{lang|en|[[Wago|yamato kotoba]]}} (rodne slova, {{lang|en|[[kun'yomi]]}}). ==Čisla v japonskom jezyku== Sut dva sposoby, kako pisati čisla v japonskom jezyku, [[Arabske cifry|arabskymi ciframi]] (1, 2, 3) ili [[Kitajske čislovniky|kitajskymi čislovnikami]] ({{lang|zh|一}}, {{lang|zh|二}}, {{lang|zh|三}}). Arabske cifry sut vyše često koristane pri [[Horizontalno i vertikalno pisanje v Iztočno aziatskoj pismennosti|horizontalnom pisanju]], a kitajske čisla sut vyše obyčajne pri [[Horizontalno i vertikalno pisanje v Iztočno aziatskoj pismennosti|vertikalnom pisanju]]. Věčšinstvo cifr imaje dva čitanja, kako i večšinstvo [[Kitajsko pismo|kandži]], to, ktoro jest izvedeno od kitajskogo čitanja, koristaje se za redne čislovniky ([[on'yomi|čitanje {{lang|en|On}}]] ) a rodno japonsko čitanje ([[kun'yomi|čitanje {{lang|en|Kun}}]]) koristaje se nemnogo menje formalno za čisla do 10. V něktoryh slučajah (privedenyh dole), japonsko čitanje obyčno jest preferovano za vse izkoristanja. Arhaične čitanja sut označene †. {| class="wikitable nounderlines" ! Čislo ! Znak ! Izgovor {{lang|en|On}} ! Izgovor {{lang|en|Kun}}<ref>{{cite book |script-title=ja:スーパー大辞林 |trans-title=Super [[Daijirin]] |language=ja |publisher=[[Sanseidō]] }}</ref> ! Prědnostny izgovor |- | align="right" | [[0]] | {{lang|ja|零}} / {{lang|ja|〇}}{{sup|*}} | {{Nihongo||れい|rei}} | {{Nihongo||まる|maru}} | {{Nihongo||ゼロ|zero}} ([[Pozajetje (lingvistika)|pozajetje]], {{lang|en|[[Loanwords in Japanese|gairaigo]]}}) |- | align="right" | [[1]] | {{lang|ja|一}} | {{Nihongo||いち|ichi}} | {{Nihongo||ひと・つ|hito(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||いち|ichi}} |- | align="right" | [[2]] | {{lang|ja|二}} | {{Nihongo||に|ni}} | {{Nihongo||ふた・つ|futa(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||に|ni}} |- | align="right" | [[3]] | {{lang|ja|三}} | {{Nihongo||さん|san}} | {{Nihongo||みっ・つ|mit(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||さん|san}} |- | align="right" | [[4]] | {{lang|ja|四}} | {{Nihongo||し|shi}} | {{lang|en|yon}}, {{Nihongo||よん、よっ・つ|yot(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||よん|yon}} |- | align="right" | [[5]] | {{lang|ja|五}} | {{Nihongo||ご|go}} | {{Nihongo||いつ・つ|itsu(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||ご|go}} |- | align="right" | [[6]] | {{lang|ja|六}} | {{Nihongo||ろく|roku}} | {{Nihongo||むっ・つ|mut(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||ろく|roku}} |- | align="right" | [[7]] | {{lang|ja|七}} | {{Nihongo||しち|shichi}} | {{Nihongo||なな・つ|nana(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||なな|nana}} |- | align="right" | [[8]] | {{lang|ja|八}} | {{Nihongo||はち|hachi}} | {{Nihongo||やっ・つ|yat(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||はち|hachi}} |- | align="right" | [[9]] | {{lang|ja|九}} | {{lang|ja|ku}}, {{Nihongo||く, きゅう|kyū}} | {{Nihongo||ここの・つ|kokono(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||きゅう|kyū}} |- | align="right" | [[10]] | {{lang|ja|十}} | {{Nihongo||じゅう|jū}} | {{Nihongo||とお|tō}} | {{Nihongo||じゅう|jū}} |- | align="right" | [[20 (number)|20]] | {{lang|ja|二十}} | {{Nihongo||にじゅう|ni-jū}} | {{Nihongo||はた|hata}}† | {{Nihongo||にじゅう|ni-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[30 (number)|30]] | {{lang|ja|三十}} | {{Nihongo||さんじゅう|san-jū}} | {{Nihongo||みそ|miso}}† | {{Nihongo||さんじゅう|san-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[40 (number)|40]] | {{lang|ja|四十}} | {{Nihongo||しじゅう|shi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||よそ|yoso}}† | {{Nihongo||よんじゅう|yon-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[50 (number)|50]] | {{lang|ja|五十}} | {{Nihongo||ごじゅう|go-jū}} | {{Nihongo||いそ|iso}}† | {{Nihongo||ごじゅう|go-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[60 (number)|60]] | {{lang|ja|六十}} | {{Nihongo||ろくじゅう|roku-jū}} | {{Nihongo||むそ|muso}}† | {{Nihongo||ろくじゅう|roku-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[70 (number)|70]] | {{lang|ja|七十}} | {{Nihongo||しちじゅう|shichi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||ななそ|nanaso}}† | {{Nihongo||ななじゅう|nana-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[80 (number)|80]] | {{lang|ja|八十}} | {{Nihongo||はちじゅう|hachi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||やそ|yaso}}† | {{Nihongo||はちじゅう|hachi-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[90 (number)|90]] | {{lang|ja|九十}} | {{Nihongo||くじゅう|ku-jū}} | {{Nihongo||ここのそ|kokonoso}}† | {{Nihongo||きゅうじゅう|kyū-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[100]] | {{lang|ja|百}} | {{Nihongo||ひゃく|hyaku}} | {{Nihongo||もも|momo}}† | {{Nihongo||ひゃく|hyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[500 (number)|500]] | {{lang|ja|五百}} | {{Nihongo||ごひゃく|go-hyaku}} | {{Nihongo||いお|io}}† | {{Nihongo||ごひゃく|go-hyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[800 (number)|800]] | {{lang|ja|八百}} | {{Nihongo||はっぴゃく|hap-pyaku}} | {{Nihongo||やお|yao}}† | {{Nihongo||はっぴゃく|hap-pyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[1000 (number)|1,000]] | {{lang|ja|千}} | {{Nihongo||せん|sen}} | {{Nihongo||ち|chi}}† | {{Nihongo||せん|sen}} |- | align="right" | [[10,000]] | {{lang|ja|万}} | {{Nihongo||まん|man}} | {{Nihongo||よろず|yorozu}}† | {{Nihongo||まん|man}} |- | align="right" | [[100,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|億}} | {{Nihongo||おく|oku}} |— | {{Nihongo||おく|oku}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)#1012|1,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|兆}} | {{Nihongo||ちょう|chō}} |— | {{Nihongo||ちょう|chō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10,000,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|京}} | {{Nihongo||けい|kei}} |— | {{Nihongo||けい|kei}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|100,000,000,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|垓}} | {{Nihongo||がい|gai}} |— | {{Nihongo||がい|gai}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10²⁴]] | {{lang|ja|𥝱}} | {{Nihongo||じょ|jo}} |— | {{Nihongo||じょ|jo}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10²⁸]] | {{lang|ja|穣}} | {{Nihongo||じょう|jō}} |— | {{Nihongo||じょう|jō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10³²]] | {{lang|ja|溝}} | {{Nihongo||こう|kō}} |— | {{Nihongo||こう|kō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10³⁶]] | {{lang|ja|澗}} | {{Nihongo||かん|kan}} |— | {{Nihongo||かん|kan}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁰]] | {{lang|ja|正}} | {{Nihongo||せい|sei}} |— | {{Nihongo||せい|sei}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁴]] | {{lang|ja|載}} | {{Nihongo||さい|sai}} |— | {{Nihongo||さい|sai}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁸]] | {{lang|ja|極}} | {{Nihongo||ごく|goku}} |— | {{Nihongo||ごく|goku}} |} <small><nowiki>*</nowiki> Imaje se takože specialno čitanje 〇 ({{-|''maru''}}), čto označaje "krugly" ili "krug". Ono može koristati se opcionalno, kogda čitajut se odděljene cifry v nomeru jedna po jednoj, vměsto vsego čisla. Polpularnym priměrom jest [[109 (trgovy dom)|znamenity magazin "109"]] v četvrti [[Shibuya|Šibuja, Tokio]], ktory čitaje se kako {{lang|en|ichi-maru-kyū}} (Kandži: {{lang|ja|一〇九}}). (On takože može čitati se kako 'deset-devet'— izgovarjaje se {{lang|en|tō-kyū}} — čto jest igra slov s nazvanjem tokijskogo trgovogo doma, ktory vladaje budynkom.) Tuto izkoristanje {{lang|en|maru}} za čislnu 0 jest podobno poněkogdomu čitanju čisla 0 v anglijskom jezyku kako {{-| ''oh''}}. Jednakože, kako čislo, jego jedino zapisyvajut kako 0 ili {{Nihongo|零|{{-|rei}}}}. Čtovyše, dva i pet izgovarjajut s dolgoju samoglaskoju v telefoničnyh nomerah (napr. {{lang|ja|にい}} {{lang|en|nī}} i {{lang|ja|ごお}} {{lang|en|gō}}). Čisla poslě {{lang|en|kei}} koristajut rědko. Tym ne menje, oni sut prědstavjene tut.</small> Kako odměčaje se vyše, {{lang|en|yon}} (4) i {{lang|en|nana}} (7) sut uprědnostnjene nad {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}}. Prědpokladaje se, že tuto jest svezano s tym, že {{lang|en|shi}} jest takože čitanjem slova 死 (smrt), čto děljae jego neščestlivym čitanjem (gledite [[tetrafobija]]); dokolě {{lang|en|shichi}} može zvučati velmi slično s {{lang|en|ichi}} (1), {{lang|en|shi}} ili {{lang|en|hachi}} (8). Jednakože, v cělom redu stanovjenyh slov i rěčenij, {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}} sut stale preferovane; tako, pri sčitanju (kako v {{lang|en|"ichi, ni, san, shi,..."}}), {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}} mogut iměti prědnost. Čislo 9 takože mněvaje se nesčestlivym; kogda izgovarjaje se {{lang|en|ku}}, ono sozvučno 苦 (stradanje). Čislo 13 poněkogda mněvaje se nesčestlivym, ale jest to kalka [[Triskaidekafobia|zapadnoj tradicije]]. Naprotiv, 7 i poněkogda 8 mněvajut se sčestlivymi u japoncev.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://lingualift.com/blog/lucky-unlucky-numbers-japan/|title=The number of death: Lucky and unlucky numbers in Japan|website=The Science of Language Self-Study {{!}} LinguaLift Blog|access-date=2016-03-24}}</ref> V sovrěmennom japonskom jezyku, redne čislovniky pomimo 4 i 7 sut obyčno koristane v čitanju {{lang|en|on}}. Alternativno čitanje byvaje v nazvah měsecev, čislah dnjev v měsecu i stalyh izrazah; napriměr, april, julij, i september nazyvajut se {{lang|en|'''shi'''-gatsu}} (4. měsec), {{lang|en|'''shichi'''-gatsu}} (7. měsec), i {{lang|en|'''ku'''-gatsu}} (9. měsec). Čitanja {{lang|en|on}} takože koristajut pri prěklikanju dlja samosčitanja ljudij (nap. {{lang|en|ichi-ni-san-shi}}). Večši čisla stvarjajut, kombinujuči tute elementy: *desetky od 20 do 90 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-jū}}" kako od {{Nihongo|二十|{{-|ni-jū}}}} do {{Nihongo|九十|{{-|kyū-jū}}}}. *sotky od 200 do 900 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-hyaku}}". *tyseče od 2000 do 9000 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-sen}}". Počinajuči od {{Nihongo|miriady|万}}, čisla začinajut se s {{Nihongo|一|{{-|ichi}}}}, ako ne jest prisutna ina cifra. Tako, 100 bude prosto {{Nihongo|百|{{-|hyaku}}}}, 1000 jest prosto {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}, ale 10000 uže{{Nihongo|一万|{{-|ichiman}}}}, vměsto prosto {{lang|en|man}}. (Tuto odličaje se od [[Kitajsky jezyk|kitajskogo jezyka]], kde čisla začinajut se s {{lang|zh|一}} ako ne jest druga ina cifra prěd njeju, uže od 100.) I jestli {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}} neposrědnje prědhodi kolikosti [[Miriada|miriad]], prěd {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}} obyčno dodavajut {{Nihongo|一|{{-|ichi}}}}, čto davaje {{Nihongo|一千|{{-|issen}}}}. Tako, 10,000,000 (bukvalno 1000,0000) obyčno čitajut kako {{Nihongo|一千万|{{-|issenman}}}}. Ale ako {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}} ''ne'' premo prědhodi kolikosti myriad, dodavanje {{Nihongo|一|ichi}}jest opcionalno. Tako, 15,000,000 (1500,0000) čitaje se kako {{Nihongo|千五百万|sengohyakuman}} ili {{Nihongo|一千五百万|issengohyakuman}}, ravno i kako 1500 čitaje se {{Nihongo|千五百|sengohyaku}} ili {{Nihongo|一千五百|issengohyaku}}. Sut i něktore fonetične modifikacije v ozvučanju něktoryh velikyh čisel, [[Oglasovanje i obezglasovanje suglasok|oglasovanje]] ili [[gemacija]] něktoryh suglasok, kako to često byvaje v japonskom jezyku (napr. {{lang|en|[[rendaku]]}}): napr. {{lang|en|roku}} "šest" i {{lang|en|hyaku}} "sto" dělajut {{lang|en|roppyaku}} "šestsot". {| class="wikitable" ! × !! 1 !! 2 !! 3 !! 4 !! 5 !! 6 !! 7 !! 8 !! 9 !! 10 !! 100 !! 1000 |- | align="right" | 100 | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hyaku, ippyaku}} | {{lang|en|nihyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sanbyaku}} | {{lang|en|yonhyaku}} | {{lang|en|gohyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|roppyaku}} | {{lang|en|nanahyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|happyaku}} | {{lang|en|kyūhyaku}} |— |— |— |- | align="right" | 1,000 | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sen, issen}} | {{lang|en|nisen}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sanzen}} | {{lang|en|yonsen}} | {{lang|en|gosen}} | {{lang|en|rokusen}} | {{lang|en|nanasen}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hassen}} | {{lang|en|kyūsen}} | — | — | — |- | align="right" | 10{{sup|12}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|itchō}} | {{lang|en|nichō}} | {{lang|en|sanchō}} | {{lang|en|yonchō}} | {{lang|en|gochō}} | {{lang|en|rokuchō}} | {{lang|en|nanachō}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hatchō}} | {{lang|en|kyūchō}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|jutchō}}* | {{lang|en|hyakuchō}} | {{lang|en|issenchō}} |- | align="right" | 10{{sup|16}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|ikkei}} | {{lang|en|nikei}} | {{lang|en|sankei}} | {{lang|en|yonkei}} | {{lang|en|gokei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|rokkei}} | {{lang|en|nanakei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hakkei}} | {{lang|en|kyūkei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|jukkei}}* | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hyakkei}}** | {{lang|en|issenkei}} |} <small><nowiki>*</nowiki> Takože priměnjaje se k kratnym 10. Koncovka měnjaje se od {{lang|en|-jū}} na {{lang|en|-jutchō}} ili {{lang|en|-jukkei}}.<br /><nowiki>**</nowiki> Takože priměnjaje se k kratnym 100. Koncovka {{lang|en|-ku}} měnjaje se na {{lang|en|-kkei}}.</small> V čislah nad 10, elementy sut soredjene, i ne koristajut se nuly. Japonske čislovniky imajut ne pozicijnu, a multiplikativno-aditivnu sistemu; da by napisati čislo 20, trěba napisati simbol {{Nihongo|"dva"|二}}, a potom simbol {{Nihongo|"deset"|十}}, da by polučiti dvě desetky ili {{Nihongo|"dvadeset"|二十}}. {| class="wikitable" ! Čislo !! Kandži !! Izgovor !Značenje |- | align="right" | 11 || {{lang|ja|十一}} || {{lang|en|jū ichi}} |deset i jedno |- | align="right" | 17 || {{lang|ja|十七}} || {{lang|en|jū nana, jū shichi}} |deset i sedm |- | align="right" | 151 || {{lang|ja|百五十一}} || {{lang|en|hyaku go-jū ichi}} |sto, pet desetok i jedno |- | align="right" | 302 || {{lang|ja|三百二}} || {{lang|en|san-byaku ni}} |tri sta i dva |- | align="right" | 469 || {{lang|ja|四百六十九}} || {{lang|en|yon-hyaku roku-jū kyū}} |četyri, šest desetok i devet |- | align="right" | 2025 || {{lang|ja|二千二十五}} || {{lang|en|ni-sen ni-jū go}} |dva tyseče, dvě desetky i pet |} ===Čislne redky i desetične čisla=== Japonske cifry od 1 do 9 obyčno se koristajut izolovano. Redky cifr imajut slegka inako čitanje s prodolženymi samoglaskami za 2 (''nī'') i 5 (''gō''), i menje često, 4 (''shī'') i 9 (''kū''). Tako dělajut zato, že kogda prěčisljajut cifry, ako možno, oni muset byti v grupah po dvě, každa iz njih musi sostojeti točno iz četyreh [[Mora (lingvistika)|mor]], čto dělaje neobhodnym prodolženje obyčno jednomornyh cifr kako ''ni'', ''go'', ''shi'' and ''ku''.<ref name=nhk-2005-2>{{cite web|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250622082124/https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20250601_1.html|url=https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20250601_1.html|archive-date=22 June 2025|lang=ja|script-title=ja:語の読み方（語形）について数字の読み方～小数の読み方～|work=NHK Bunken|publisher=NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute|last=Yamashita|first=Yōko|last2=Fujii|first2=Madoka|date=28 February 2025|access-date=23 September 2025|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250622082259/https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20180501_4.html|url=https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20180501_4.html|archive-date=22 June 2025|date=1 May 2018|lang=ja|script-title=ja:数詞の発音とアクセント|work=NHK Bunken|publisher=NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute|last=Sakurai|first=Shigeharu|last2=Akinaga|first2=Kazue|access-date=23 September 2025|url-status=live}}</ref> Napiměr, taky redok kako '''5'''4'''2'''62 se izgovarjaje {{-|'''''gō'''-yon '''nī'''-roku ni''}}, kde prve dvě grupy sut kvadrimoraične. [[Japonsko tonalno udarjenje|Udarjenje]] pri tom padaje prědposlědnju moru kažfoj grupy, ako li to jest možlivo, odsud {{-|[ɡoː jóɴ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲiː ɾókɯ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲí]}}.<ref name=hirayama-1961>{{cite book|lang=ja|script-title=ja:全国アクセント辞典|first=Teruo|last=Hirayama|publisher=Tōkyōdō|date=25 December 1961|p=897}}</ref> Tuto pravilo takože priměnjaje se k poslědnoj cifrě celoj česti čisla i ko vsim cifram desetičnoj česti desetičnogo čisla.<ref name=nhk-2005-2/><ref name=hirayama-1961/> Napriměr, tako desetično čislo kako 25'''2'''.'''25'''5 se izgovarjaje {{-|''nihyaku gojū '''nī'''-ten '''nī-gō''' go''}} {{-|[ɲiçjakɯ́ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɡodʑɯ́ː <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲíː teɴ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲiː ɡóː <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɡó]}}, kde ''ten'' označaje "točka". ===Druge tipy čisel=== V japonskyh [[Redny čislovnik|rednyh čislovnikah]] koristajut modifikaciju uměstnyh sčetnyh slov, sistema ktoryh v japonskom jezyku jest dosti [[Japonske sčetne slova|komplikovana]]. Da by prěvratiti sčetno slovo (sčislovnik) v ordinalny čislovnik, ktory označaje poziciju v redu, na koncu sčislovnika dodavajut {{lang|ja|目}} {{lang|en|me}}. Tako "jedin raz" bude prěkladati se kako {{lang|ja|一回}} {{lang|en|ikkai}}, a "prvy raz" bude se prěkladati {{lang|ja|一回目}} {{lang|en|ikkaime}}. Tuto pravilo jest ale nedoslědno, ako sčislovniky bez sufiksa {{lang|en|me}} često koristajut i v ordinalnom, i v [[Kardinalny čislovnik|kardinalnom]] smyslah. Napriměr, {{lang|ja|三階}} {{lang|en|sangai}} može označati kako "tri etaže", tako i "tretji etaž." [[Distributivny čislovnik|Distributivne čislovniky]] obyčno stvarjajut iz kardinalnogo čislovnika, sčetnogo slova i sufiksa {{Nihongo|{{-|''-zutsu''}}|ずつ|}}, napriklad {{Nihongo|{{-|''hitori-zutsu''}}|一人ずつ|po jednoj osobě za raz, po-jedno}}. == Stupnje 10 == === Velike čisla === Vslěd kitajskoj tradiciji, velike čisla se stvarjajut grupovanjem cifr v [[Miriada|miriady]] (10,000), na razliku od zapadnyh tyseč (1,000) <div class="overflowbugx" style="overflow-x:auto;"> {| class="wikitable" !align="left"|Red |10{{sup|4}} |10{{sup|8}} |10{{sup|12}} |10{{sup|16}} |10{{sup|20}} |10{{sup|24}} |10{{sup|28}} |10{{sup|32}} |10{{sup|36}} |10{{sup|40}} |10{{sup|44}} |10{{sup|48}} |10{{sup|52}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(ili 10{{sup|56}})}}</small> |10{{sup|56}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(ili 10{{sup|64}})}}</small> |10{{sup|60}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|72}})}}</small> |10{{sup|64}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|80}})}}</small> |10{{sup|68}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|88}})}}</small> |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|万}} |{{lang|ja|億}} |{{lang|ja|兆}} |{{lang|ja|京}} |{{lang|ja|垓}} |{{lang|ja|𥝱}}, {{lang|ja|秭}} |{{lang|ja|穣}} |{{lang|ja|溝}} |{{lang|ja|澗}} |{{lang|ja|正}} |{{lang|ja|載}} |{{lang|ja|極}} |{{lang|ja|恒河沙}} |{{lang|ja|阿僧祇}} |{{lang|ja|那由他}}, {{lang|ja|那由多}} |{{lang|ja|不可思議}} |{{lang|ja|無量大数}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|en|man}} |{{lang|en|oku}} |{{lang|en|chō}} |{{lang|en|kei}} |{{lang|en|gai}} |{{lang|en|jo}}, {{lang|en|shi}} |{{lang|en|jō}} |{{lang|en|kō}} |{{lang|en|kan}} |{{lang|en|sei}} |{{lang|en|sai}} |{{lang|en|goku}} |{{lang|en|gōgasha}} |{{lang|en|asōgi}} |{{lang|en|nayuta}} |{{lang|en|fukashigi}} |{{lang|en|muryōtaisū}} |}</div> Razhoděnja sut iz-za {{Nihongo|{{-|[[Jinkōki]]}}|塵劫記|}}, najstaršego matematičnogo teksta Japonije. Originalno izdavanje bylo opublikovano v lětu 1627 i imělo mnogo grěšek, věčšinstvo ktoryh bylo izpravjeno v izdavanju 1631 goda. V lětu 1634 izšlo ješče jedno izdavanje, kde opet bylo izměnjeno několiko veličin. Vyše uvedeno razhodženje jest obuslovjeno nesuglasnostju dvoh poslědnjih izdavanij. Sut razne znaky za 10{{sup|24}} (to jest {{lang|ja|秭}} v kitajskom jezyku tutčas), i po 10{{sup|48}} oni odličajut se tym, že prodolžajut s povyšenjem faktora 10{{sup|4}} ili prěključajut se na faktor 10{{sup|8}}. Ako koristaje se faktor 10{{sup|8}}, medžuintervalne koeficienty 10{{sup|4}} zakryvajut s pomočju {{Nihongo|万|man}}. Nastoječe izdavanje {{lang|en|Jinkōki}}, 11-to, slěduje faktoru 10{{sup|4}} črez cělu sistemu, hoti něktori ljudi ješče koristajut veličiny iz 8-go izdavanja daže tutčas. Poslědnje tri čisla s mnogoslogovymi nazvanjami i razhodženjem veličin v koncu koncev izvodet se iz Indije, hoti tam oni ne iměli oprědeljennyh veličin. {{Nihongo|恒河沙|''gōgasha''}} prvonačelno koristalo se v budističskyh traktatah za označevanje bezměrno ogromnogo; ono proizhodi iz [[Sanskrit|sanskritskogo]] {{lang|sa|गङ्गा}} {{lang|en|gangā}} '[[Ganges|Ganga]]' (čto udobno vključaje znaky {{Nihongo|'rěka'|河|ka}} i {{Nihongo|'pěsok'|沙|sha}}, odsylajuči k neizčislimomu množstvu čestic pěska na rěkě Ganga. {{Nihongo|阿僧祇|''asōgi''|}}, od sanskritnogo {{lang|sa|असंख्येय}} {{lang|en|asaṃkhyeya}} 'neizčisljimy/bezčislny', s negativnym prefiksom {{Nihongo|阿|''a''|}}, i {{Nihongo|那由他|''nayuta''}} od sanskritnogo {{lang|sa|नयुत/नयुतः}} {{lang|en|nayuta(ḥ)}}. Dalje, cifry sut terminami iz [[Budizm|Budizma]], prěvedene na kitajsky ili iztvorjene na njem, ktorym pozdněje pridělali čislne značenja: {{Nihongo|'nevoobrazimy'|不可思議|fukashigi}} i {{Nihongo|'bezměrno veliko čislo'|無量大数|muryōtaisū}}. Priměry: ''(razděljenje na grupy iz četyreh cifr jest privedeno samo za cěljem lěpšego objasnjenja)'' *1 0000 : {{Nihongo|一万|ichi-man}} *983 6703 : {{Nihongo|九百八十三万 六千七百三|kyū-hyaku hachi-jū san-man, roku-sen nana-hyaku san}} *20 3652 1801 : {{Nihongo|二十億 三千六百五十二万 千八百一|ni-jū oku, san-zen rop-pyaku go-jū ni-man, sen hap-pyaku ichi}} Jednakože, Čisla, napisane arabskymi ciframi, razděljaut na grupy po tri cifry, kako to jest prijeto v anglogovorečih državah. Pri koristanju arabskyh cifr i kandži razom, zapadny sposob zapisu može se koristati za čisla, menši 10,000, ale s {{-|''man''}}, ako čislo je večšo (napr. {{lang|ja|2,500万}} za 25,000,000). Ako v japonskom jezyku dolge čisla sit zapisyvane v kandži, nuly opuskajut za vse stupnje deseti. Tako, 4002 bude {{lang|ja|四千二}} (naprotiv, v kitajskom jezyku trěba použiti {{lang|zh|零}} vsekde vměsto nuly, napr. {{lang|zh|四千零二}} za 4002). Ale, pri čitanju učetovodnyh sprav, napriměr, opuštene cifry inogda označajut {{Nihongo|飛び|tobi}} ili {{Nihongo|飛んで|tonde}}: v našem priměru 4002 {{lang|en|yon-sen '''tobi''' ni}} ili {{lang|en|yon-sen '''tonde''' ni}} vměsto obyčnogo {{lang|en|yon-sen ni}}. == Referencije == {{Iztočniky}} ==Vnješnje linky== <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> * {{lang|ja|[http://www.moroo.com/uzokusou/misc/suumei/suumei.html 大数の名前について]}} (na japonskom jezyku) * {{Cite web |url= http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanese.html | title = Ancient Japanese number system| archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20180829030749/http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanese.html |archive-date=2018-08-29}} * [http://www.solosequenosenada.com/gramatica/japanese/Learn_Japanese_Numbers.php English exercises for learning Japanese numerals] * [https://web.archive.org/web/20090324035049/http://www.learnjapanesewordsandphrases.com/learnjapanesenumbers.html Audio to learn the pronunciation for Japanese numbers] * [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/kanjinumbers.cgi Convert kanji numerals to arabic numerals] (sci. lang. Japan FAQ page) * [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/numbers.cgi Convert arabic numerals to kanji numerals] (sci. lang. Japan FAQ page) </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese numerals|}} {{Prěvod|ru|Японские числительные|}} [[Kategorija:Čisla]] [[Kategorija:Japonsky jezyk]] [[Kategorija:Čislovniky]] {{INTERWIKI|Q1337084}} shj9h68m3a7ui5i2i3ajfe69qk515ll 27937 27936 2026-07-03T09:19:09Z Ilja isv 10 /* Velike čisla */ 27937 wikitext text/x-wiki {{-|''Under construction''}} [[Fajl:Saitama restaurant calligraphic menu.jpg|thumb|Kaligrafično menju restorana v prefekturě Saitama s koristanjem tradicijnyh čislovnikov.]] {{nihongo|'''Japonske čislovniky'''|数詞|sūshi}} sut [[Čislovnik (lingvistika)|čislovniky]], koristane v [[Japonsky jezyk|japonskom jezyku]]. V pismennosti oni sut jednake s [[Kitajske čislovniky|kitajskymi čislovnikami]], a velike čisla slědujut kitajskomu stilju s grupovanjem po 10,000. Koristajut se dva izgovory: sino-japonsko čitanje [[Kitajske hieroglify|kitajskyh hieroglifov]] ([[On'yomi|{{lang|en|on'yomi}}]]) i japonsko čitanje {{lang|en|[[Wago|yamato kotoba]]}} (rodne slova, {{lang|en|[[kun'yomi]]}}). ==Čisla v japonskom jezyku== Sut dva sposoby, kako pisati čisla v japonskom jezyku, [[Arabske cifry|arabskymi ciframi]] (1, 2, 3) ili [[Kitajske čislovniky|kitajskymi čislovnikami]] ({{lang|zh|一}}, {{lang|zh|二}}, {{lang|zh|三}}). Arabske cifry sut vyše često koristane pri [[Horizontalno i vertikalno pisanje v Iztočno aziatskoj pismennosti|horizontalnom pisanju]], a kitajske čisla sut vyše obyčajne pri [[Horizontalno i vertikalno pisanje v Iztočno aziatskoj pismennosti|vertikalnom pisanju]]. Věčšinstvo cifr imaje dva čitanja, kako i večšinstvo [[Kitajsko pismo|kandži]], to, ktoro jest izvedeno od kitajskogo čitanja, koristaje se za redne čislovniky ([[on'yomi|čitanje {{lang|en|On}}]] ) a rodno japonsko čitanje ([[kun'yomi|čitanje {{lang|en|Kun}}]]) koristaje se nemnogo menje formalno za čisla do 10. V něktoryh slučajah (privedenyh dole), japonsko čitanje obyčno jest preferovano za vse izkoristanja. Arhaične čitanja sut označene †. {| class="wikitable nounderlines" ! Čislo ! Znak ! Izgovor {{lang|en|On}} ! Izgovor {{lang|en|Kun}}<ref>{{cite book |script-title=ja:スーパー大辞林 |trans-title=Super [[Daijirin]] |language=ja |publisher=[[Sanseidō]] }}</ref> ! Prědnostny izgovor |- | align="right" | [[0]] | {{lang|ja|零}} / {{lang|ja|〇}}{{sup|*}} | {{Nihongo||れい|rei}} | {{Nihongo||まる|maru}} | {{Nihongo||ゼロ|zero}} ([[Pozajetje (lingvistika)|pozajetje]], {{lang|en|[[Loanwords in Japanese|gairaigo]]}}) |- | align="right" | [[1]] | {{lang|ja|一}} | {{Nihongo||いち|ichi}} | {{Nihongo||ひと・つ|hito(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||いち|ichi}} |- | align="right" | [[2]] | {{lang|ja|二}} | {{Nihongo||に|ni}} | {{Nihongo||ふた・つ|futa(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||に|ni}} |- | align="right" | [[3]] | {{lang|ja|三}} | {{Nihongo||さん|san}} | {{Nihongo||みっ・つ|mit(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||さん|san}} |- | align="right" | [[4]] | {{lang|ja|四}} | {{Nihongo||し|shi}} | {{lang|en|yon}}, {{Nihongo||よん、よっ・つ|yot(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||よん|yon}} |- | align="right" | [[5]] | {{lang|ja|五}} | {{Nihongo||ご|go}} | {{Nihongo||いつ・つ|itsu(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||ご|go}} |- | align="right" | [[6]] | {{lang|ja|六}} | {{Nihongo||ろく|roku}} | {{Nihongo||むっ・つ|mut(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||ろく|roku}} |- | align="right" | [[7]] | {{lang|ja|七}} | {{Nihongo||しち|shichi}} | {{Nihongo||なな・つ|nana(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||なな|nana}} |- | align="right" | [[8]] | {{lang|ja|八}} | {{Nihongo||はち|hachi}} | {{Nihongo||やっ・つ|yat(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||はち|hachi}} |- | align="right" | [[9]] | {{lang|ja|九}} | {{lang|ja|ku}}, {{Nihongo||く, きゅう|kyū}} | {{Nihongo||ここの・つ|kokono(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||きゅう|kyū}} |- | align="right" | [[10]] | {{lang|ja|十}} | {{Nihongo||じゅう|jū}} | {{Nihongo||とお|tō}} | {{Nihongo||じゅう|jū}} |- | align="right" | [[20 (number)|20]] | {{lang|ja|二十}} | {{Nihongo||にじゅう|ni-jū}} | {{Nihongo||はた|hata}}† | {{Nihongo||にじゅう|ni-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[30 (number)|30]] | {{lang|ja|三十}} | {{Nihongo||さんじゅう|san-jū}} | {{Nihongo||みそ|miso}}† | {{Nihongo||さんじゅう|san-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[40 (number)|40]] | {{lang|ja|四十}} | {{Nihongo||しじゅう|shi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||よそ|yoso}}† | {{Nihongo||よんじゅう|yon-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[50 (number)|50]] | {{lang|ja|五十}} | {{Nihongo||ごじゅう|go-jū}} | {{Nihongo||いそ|iso}}† | {{Nihongo||ごじゅう|go-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[60 (number)|60]] | {{lang|ja|六十}} | {{Nihongo||ろくじゅう|roku-jū}} | {{Nihongo||むそ|muso}}† | {{Nihongo||ろくじゅう|roku-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[70 (number)|70]] | {{lang|ja|七十}} | {{Nihongo||しちじゅう|shichi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||ななそ|nanaso}}† | {{Nihongo||ななじゅう|nana-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[80 (number)|80]] | {{lang|ja|八十}} | {{Nihongo||はちじゅう|hachi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||やそ|yaso}}† | {{Nihongo||はちじゅう|hachi-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[90 (number)|90]] | {{lang|ja|九十}} | {{Nihongo||くじゅう|ku-jū}} | {{Nihongo||ここのそ|kokonoso}}† | {{Nihongo||きゅうじゅう|kyū-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[100]] | {{lang|ja|百}} | {{Nihongo||ひゃく|hyaku}} | {{Nihongo||もも|momo}}† | {{Nihongo||ひゃく|hyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[500 (number)|500]] | {{lang|ja|五百}} | {{Nihongo||ごひゃく|go-hyaku}} | {{Nihongo||いお|io}}† | {{Nihongo||ごひゃく|go-hyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[800 (number)|800]] | {{lang|ja|八百}} | {{Nihongo||はっぴゃく|hap-pyaku}} | {{Nihongo||やお|yao}}† | {{Nihongo||はっぴゃく|hap-pyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[1000 (number)|1,000]] | {{lang|ja|千}} | {{Nihongo||せん|sen}} | {{Nihongo||ち|chi}}† | {{Nihongo||せん|sen}} |- | align="right" | [[10,000]] | {{lang|ja|万}} | {{Nihongo||まん|man}} | {{Nihongo||よろず|yorozu}}† | {{Nihongo||まん|man}} |- | align="right" | [[100,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|億}} | {{Nihongo||おく|oku}} |— | {{Nihongo||おく|oku}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)#1012|1,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|兆}} | {{Nihongo||ちょう|chō}} |— | {{Nihongo||ちょう|chō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10,000,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|京}} | {{Nihongo||けい|kei}} |— | {{Nihongo||けい|kei}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|100,000,000,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|垓}} | {{Nihongo||がい|gai}} |— | {{Nihongo||がい|gai}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10²⁴]] | {{lang|ja|𥝱}} | {{Nihongo||じょ|jo}} |— | {{Nihongo||じょ|jo}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10²⁸]] | {{lang|ja|穣}} | {{Nihongo||じょう|jō}} |— | {{Nihongo||じょう|jō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10³²]] | {{lang|ja|溝}} | {{Nihongo||こう|kō}} |— | {{Nihongo||こう|kō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10³⁶]] | {{lang|ja|澗}} | {{Nihongo||かん|kan}} |— | {{Nihongo||かん|kan}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁰]] | {{lang|ja|正}} | {{Nihongo||せい|sei}} |— | {{Nihongo||せい|sei}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁴]] | {{lang|ja|載}} | {{Nihongo||さい|sai}} |— | {{Nihongo||さい|sai}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁸]] | {{lang|ja|極}} | {{Nihongo||ごく|goku}} |— | {{Nihongo||ごく|goku}} |} <small><nowiki>*</nowiki> Imaje se takože specialno čitanje 〇 ({{-|''maru''}}), čto označaje "krugly" ili "krug". Ono može koristati se opcionalno, kogda čitajut se odděljene cifry v nomeru jedna po jednoj, vměsto vsego čisla. Polpularnym priměrom jest [[109 (trgovy dom)|znamenity magazin "109"]] v četvrti [[Shibuya|Šibuja, Tokio]], ktory čitaje se kako {{lang|en|ichi-maru-kyū}} (Kandži: {{lang|ja|一〇九}}). (On takože može čitati se kako 'deset-devet'— izgovarjaje se {{lang|en|tō-kyū}} — čto jest igra slov s nazvanjem tokijskogo trgovogo doma, ktory vladaje budynkom.) Tuto izkoristanje {{lang|en|maru}} za čislnu 0 jest podobno poněkogdomu čitanju čisla 0 v anglijskom jezyku kako {{-| ''oh''}}. Jednakože, kako čislo, jego jedino zapisyvajut kako 0 ili {{Nihongo|零|{{-|rei}}}}. Čtovyše, dva i pet izgovarjajut s dolgoju samoglaskoju v telefoničnyh nomerah (napr. {{lang|ja|にい}} {{lang|en|nī}} i {{lang|ja|ごお}} {{lang|en|gō}}). Čisla poslě {{lang|en|kei}} koristajut rědko. Tym ne menje, oni sut prědstavjene tut.</small> Kako odměčaje se vyše, {{lang|en|yon}} (4) i {{lang|en|nana}} (7) sut uprědnostnjene nad {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}}. Prědpokladaje se, že tuto jest svezano s tym, že {{lang|en|shi}} jest takože čitanjem slova 死 (smrt), čto děljae jego neščestlivym čitanjem (gledite [[tetrafobija]]); dokolě {{lang|en|shichi}} može zvučati velmi slično s {{lang|en|ichi}} (1), {{lang|en|shi}} ili {{lang|en|hachi}} (8). Jednakože, v cělom redu stanovjenyh slov i rěčenij, {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}} sut stale preferovane; tako, pri sčitanju (kako v {{lang|en|"ichi, ni, san, shi,..."}}), {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}} mogut iměti prědnost. Čislo 9 takože mněvaje se nesčestlivym; kogda izgovarjaje se {{lang|en|ku}}, ono sozvučno 苦 (stradanje). Čislo 13 poněkogda mněvaje se nesčestlivym, ale jest to kalka [[Triskaidekafobia|zapadnoj tradicije]]. Naprotiv, 7 i poněkogda 8 mněvajut se sčestlivymi u japoncev.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://lingualift.com/blog/lucky-unlucky-numbers-japan/|title=The number of death: Lucky and unlucky numbers in Japan|website=The Science of Language Self-Study {{!}} LinguaLift Blog|access-date=2016-03-24}}</ref> V sovrěmennom japonskom jezyku, redne čislovniky pomimo 4 i 7 sut obyčno koristane v čitanju {{lang|en|on}}. Alternativno čitanje byvaje v nazvah měsecev, čislah dnjev v měsecu i stalyh izrazah; napriměr, april, julij, i september nazyvajut se {{lang|en|'''shi'''-gatsu}} (4. měsec), {{lang|en|'''shichi'''-gatsu}} (7. měsec), i {{lang|en|'''ku'''-gatsu}} (9. měsec). Čitanja {{lang|en|on}} takože koristajut pri prěklikanju dlja samosčitanja ljudij (nap. {{lang|en|ichi-ni-san-shi}}). Večši čisla stvarjajut, kombinujuči tute elementy: *desetky od 20 do 90 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-jū}}" kako od {{Nihongo|二十|{{-|ni-jū}}}} do {{Nihongo|九十|{{-|kyū-jū}}}}. *sotky od 200 do 900 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-hyaku}}". *tyseče od 2000 do 9000 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-sen}}". Počinajuči od {{Nihongo|miriady|万}}, čisla začinajut se s {{Nihongo|一|{{-|ichi}}}}, ako ne jest prisutna ina cifra. Tako, 100 bude prosto {{Nihongo|百|{{-|hyaku}}}}, 1000 jest prosto {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}, ale 10000 uže{{Nihongo|一万|{{-|ichiman}}}}, vměsto prosto {{lang|en|man}}. (Tuto odličaje se od [[Kitajsky jezyk|kitajskogo jezyka]], kde čisla začinajut se s {{lang|zh|一}} ako ne jest druga ina cifra prěd njeju, uže od 100.) I jestli {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}} neposrědnje prědhodi kolikosti [[Miriada|miriad]], prěd {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}} obyčno dodavajut {{Nihongo|一|{{-|ichi}}}}, čto davaje {{Nihongo|一千|{{-|issen}}}}. Tako, 10,000,000 (bukvalno 1000,0000) obyčno čitajut kako {{Nihongo|一千万|{{-|issenman}}}}. Ale ako {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}} ''ne'' premo prědhodi kolikosti myriad, dodavanje {{Nihongo|一|ichi}}jest opcionalno. Tako, 15,000,000 (1500,0000) čitaje se kako {{Nihongo|千五百万|sengohyakuman}} ili {{Nihongo|一千五百万|issengohyakuman}}, ravno i kako 1500 čitaje se {{Nihongo|千五百|sengohyaku}} ili {{Nihongo|一千五百|issengohyaku}}. Sut i něktore fonetične modifikacije v ozvučanju něktoryh velikyh čisel, [[Oglasovanje i obezglasovanje suglasok|oglasovanje]] ili [[gemacija]] něktoryh suglasok, kako to često byvaje v japonskom jezyku (napr. {{lang|en|[[rendaku]]}}): napr. {{lang|en|roku}} "šest" i {{lang|en|hyaku}} "sto" dělajut {{lang|en|roppyaku}} "šestsot". {| class="wikitable" ! × !! 1 !! 2 !! 3 !! 4 !! 5 !! 6 !! 7 !! 8 !! 9 !! 10 !! 100 !! 1000 |- | align="right" | 100 | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hyaku, ippyaku}} | {{lang|en|nihyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sanbyaku}} | {{lang|en|yonhyaku}} | {{lang|en|gohyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|roppyaku}} | {{lang|en|nanahyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|happyaku}} | {{lang|en|kyūhyaku}} |— |— |— |- | align="right" | 1,000 | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sen, issen}} | {{lang|en|nisen}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sanzen}} | {{lang|en|yonsen}} | {{lang|en|gosen}} | {{lang|en|rokusen}} | {{lang|en|nanasen}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hassen}} | {{lang|en|kyūsen}} | — | — | — |- | align="right" | 10{{sup|12}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|itchō}} | {{lang|en|nichō}} | {{lang|en|sanchō}} | {{lang|en|yonchō}} | {{lang|en|gochō}} | {{lang|en|rokuchō}} | {{lang|en|nanachō}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hatchō}} | {{lang|en|kyūchō}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|jutchō}}* | {{lang|en|hyakuchō}} | {{lang|en|issenchō}} |- | align="right" | 10{{sup|16}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|ikkei}} | {{lang|en|nikei}} | {{lang|en|sankei}} | {{lang|en|yonkei}} | {{lang|en|gokei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|rokkei}} | {{lang|en|nanakei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hakkei}} | {{lang|en|kyūkei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|jukkei}}* | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hyakkei}}** | {{lang|en|issenkei}} |} <small><nowiki>*</nowiki> Takože priměnjaje se k kratnym 10. Koncovka měnjaje se od {{lang|en|-jū}} na {{lang|en|-jutchō}} ili {{lang|en|-jukkei}}.<br /><nowiki>**</nowiki> Takože priměnjaje se k kratnym 100. Koncovka {{lang|en|-ku}} měnjaje se na {{lang|en|-kkei}}.</small> V čislah nad 10, elementy sut soredjene, i ne koristajut se nuly. Japonske čislovniky imajut ne pozicijnu, a multiplikativno-aditivnu sistemu; da by napisati čislo 20, trěba napisati simbol {{Nihongo|"dva"|二}}, a potom simbol {{Nihongo|"deset"|十}}, da by polučiti dvě desetky ili {{Nihongo|"dvadeset"|二十}}. {| class="wikitable" ! Čislo !! Kandži !! Izgovor !Značenje |- | align="right" | 11 || {{lang|ja|十一}} || {{lang|en|jū ichi}} |deset i jedno |- | align="right" | 17 || {{lang|ja|十七}} || {{lang|en|jū nana, jū shichi}} |deset i sedm |- | align="right" | 151 || {{lang|ja|百五十一}} || {{lang|en|hyaku go-jū ichi}} |sto, pet desetok i jedno |- | align="right" | 302 || {{lang|ja|三百二}} || {{lang|en|san-byaku ni}} |tri sta i dva |- | align="right" | 469 || {{lang|ja|四百六十九}} || {{lang|en|yon-hyaku roku-jū kyū}} |četyri, šest desetok i devet |- | align="right" | 2025 || {{lang|ja|二千二十五}} || {{lang|en|ni-sen ni-jū go}} |dva tyseče, dvě desetky i pet |} ===Čislne redky i desetične čisla=== Japonske cifry od 1 do 9 obyčno se koristajut izolovano. Redky cifr imajut slegka inako čitanje s prodolženymi samoglaskami za 2 (''nī'') i 5 (''gō''), i menje često, 4 (''shī'') i 9 (''kū''). Tako dělajut zato, že kogda prěčisljajut cifry, ako možno, oni muset byti v grupah po dvě, každa iz njih musi sostojeti točno iz četyreh [[Mora (lingvistika)|mor]], čto dělaje neobhodnym prodolženje obyčno jednomornyh cifr kako ''ni'', ''go'', ''shi'' and ''ku''.<ref name=nhk-2005-2>{{cite web|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250622082124/https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20250601_1.html|url=https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20250601_1.html|archive-date=22 June 2025|lang=ja|script-title=ja:語の読み方（語形）について数字の読み方～小数の読み方～|work=NHK Bunken|publisher=NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute|last=Yamashita|first=Yōko|last2=Fujii|first2=Madoka|date=28 February 2025|access-date=23 September 2025|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250622082259/https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20180501_4.html|url=https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20180501_4.html|archive-date=22 June 2025|date=1 May 2018|lang=ja|script-title=ja:数詞の発音とアクセント|work=NHK Bunken|publisher=NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute|last=Sakurai|first=Shigeharu|last2=Akinaga|first2=Kazue|access-date=23 September 2025|url-status=live}}</ref> Napiměr, taky redok kako '''5'''4'''2'''62 se izgovarjaje {{-|'''''gō'''-yon '''nī'''-roku ni''}}, kde prve dvě grupy sut kvadrimoraične. [[Japonsko tonalno udarjenje|Udarjenje]] pri tom padaje prědposlědnju moru kažfoj grupy, ako li to jest možlivo, odsud {{-|[ɡoː jóɴ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲiː ɾókɯ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲí]}}.<ref name=hirayama-1961>{{cite book|lang=ja|script-title=ja:全国アクセント辞典|first=Teruo|last=Hirayama|publisher=Tōkyōdō|date=25 December 1961|p=897}}</ref> Tuto pravilo takože priměnjaje se k poslědnoj cifrě celoj česti čisla i ko vsim cifram desetičnoj česti desetičnogo čisla.<ref name=nhk-2005-2/><ref name=hirayama-1961/> Napriměr, tako desetično čislo kako 25'''2'''.'''25'''5 se izgovarjaje {{-|''nihyaku gojū '''nī'''-ten '''nī-gō''' go''}} {{-|[ɲiçjakɯ́ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɡodʑɯ́ː <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲíː teɴ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲiː ɡóː <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɡó]}}, kde ''ten'' označaje "točka". ===Druge tipy čisel=== V japonskyh [[Redny čislovnik|rednyh čislovnikah]] koristajut modifikaciju uměstnyh sčetnyh slov, sistema ktoryh v japonskom jezyku jest dosti [[Japonske sčetne slova|komplikovana]]. Da by prěvratiti sčetno slovo (sčislovnik) v ordinalny čislovnik, ktory označaje poziciju v redu, na koncu sčislovnika dodavajut {{lang|ja|目}} {{lang|en|me}}. Tako "jedin raz" bude prěkladati se kako {{lang|ja|一回}} {{lang|en|ikkai}}, a "prvy raz" bude se prěkladati {{lang|ja|一回目}} {{lang|en|ikkaime}}. Tuto pravilo jest ale nedoslědno, ako sčislovniky bez sufiksa {{lang|en|me}} često koristajut i v ordinalnom, i v [[Kardinalny čislovnik|kardinalnom]] smyslah. Napriměr, {{lang|ja|三階}} {{lang|en|sangai}} može označati kako "tri etaže", tako i "tretji etaž." [[Distributivny čislovnik|Distributivne čislovniky]] obyčno stvarjajut iz kardinalnogo čislovnika, sčetnogo slova i sufiksa {{Nihongo|{{-|''-zutsu''}}|ずつ|}}, napriklad {{Nihongo|{{-|''hitori-zutsu''}}|一人ずつ|po jednoj osobě za raz, po-jedno}}. == Stupnje 10 == === Velike čisla === Vslěd kitajskoj tradiciji, velike čisla se stvarjajut grupovanjem cifr v [[Miriada|miriady]] (10,000), na razliku od zapadnyh tyseč (1,000) <div class="overflowbugx" style="overflow-x:auto;"> {| class="wikitable" !align="left"|Red |10{{sup|4}} |10{{sup|8}} |10{{sup|12}} |10{{sup|16}} |10{{sup|20}} |10{{sup|24}} |10{{sup|28}} |10{{sup|32}} |10{{sup|36}} |10{{sup|40}} |10{{sup|44}} |10{{sup|48}} |10{{sup|52}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(ili 10{{sup|56}})}}</small> |10{{sup|56}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(ili 10{{sup|64}})}}</small> |10{{sup|60}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|72}})}}</small> |10{{sup|64}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|80}})}}</small> |10{{sup|68}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|88}})}}</small> |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|万}} |{{lang|ja|億}} |{{lang|ja|兆}} |{{lang|ja|京}} |{{lang|ja|垓}} |{{lang|ja|𥝱}}, {{lang|ja|秭}} |{{lang|ja|穣}} |{{lang|ja|溝}} |{{lang|ja|澗}} |{{lang|ja|正}} |{{lang|ja|載}} |{{lang|ja|極}} |{{lang|ja|恒河沙}} |{{lang|ja|阿僧祇}} |{{lang|ja|那由他}}, {{lang|ja|那由多}} |{{lang|ja|不可思議}} |{{lang|ja|無量大数}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|en|man}} |{{lang|en|oku}} |{{lang|en|chō}} |{{lang|en|kei}} |{{lang|en|gai}} |{{lang|en|jo}}, {{lang|en|shi}} |{{lang|en|jō}} |{{lang|en|kō}} |{{lang|en|kan}} |{{lang|en|sei}} |{{lang|en|sai}} |{{lang|en|goku}} |{{lang|en|gōgasha}} |{{lang|en|asōgi}} |{{lang|en|nayuta}} |{{lang|en|fukashigi}} |{{lang|en|muryōtaisū}} |}</div> Razhoděnja sut iz-za {{Nihongo|{{-|[[Jinkoki|Jinkōki]]}}|塵劫記|}}, najstaršego matematičnogo teksta Japonije. Originalno izdavanje bylo opublikovano v lětu 1627 i imělo mnogo grěšek, věčšinstvo ktoryh bylo izpravjeno v izdavanju 1631 goda. V lětu 1634 izšlo ješče jedno izdavanje, kde opet bylo izměnjeno několiko veličin. Vyše uvedeno razhodženje jest obuslovjeno nesuglasnostju dvoh poslědnjih izdavanij. Sut razne znaky za 10{{sup|24}} (to jest {{lang|ja|秭}} v kitajskom jezyku tutčas), i po 10{{sup|48}} oni odličajut se tym, že prodolžajut s povyšenjem faktora 10{{sup|4}} ili prěključajut se na faktor 10{{sup|8}}. Ako koristaje se faktor 10{{sup|8}}, medžuintervalne koeficienty 10{{sup|4}} zakryvajut s pomočju {{Nihongo|万|man}}. Nastoječe izdavanje {{lang|en|Jinkōki}}, 11-to, slěduje faktoru 10{{sup|4}} črez cělu sistemu, hoti něktori ljudi ješče koristajut veličiny iz 8-go izdavanja daže tutčas. Poslědnje tri čisla s mnogoslogovymi nazvanjami i razhodženjem veličin v koncu koncev izvodet se iz Indije, hoti tam oni ne iměli oprědeljennyh veličin. {{Nihongo|恒河沙|''gōgasha''}} prvonačelno koristalo se v budističskyh traktatah za označevanje bezměrno ogromnogo; ono proizhodi iz [[Sanskrit|sanskritskogo]] {{lang|sa|गङ्गा}} {{lang|en|gangā}} '[[Ganges|Ganga]]' (čto udobno vključaje znaky {{Nihongo|'rěka'|河|ka}} i {{Nihongo|'pěsok'|沙|sha}}, odsylajuči k neizčislimomu množstvu čestic pěska na rěkě Ganga. {{Nihongo|阿僧祇|''asōgi''|}}, od sanskritnogo {{lang|sa|असंख्येय}} {{lang|en|asaṃkhyeya}} 'neizčisljimy/bezčislny', s negativnym prefiksom {{Nihongo|阿|''a''|}}, i {{Nihongo|那由他|''nayuta''}} od sanskritnogo {{lang|sa|नयुत/नयुतः}} {{lang|en|nayuta(ḥ)}}. Dalje, cifry sut terminami iz [[Budizm|Budizma]], prěvedene na kitajsky ili iztvorjene na njem, ktorym pozdněje pridělali čislne značenja: {{Nihongo|'nevoobrazimy'|不可思議|fukashigi}} i {{Nihongo|'bezměrno veliko čislo'|無量大数|muryōtaisū}}. Priměry: ''(razděljenje na grupy iz četyreh cifr jest privedeno samo za cěljem lěpšego objasnjenja)'' *1 0000 : {{Nihongo|一万|ichi-man}} *983 6703 : {{Nihongo|九百八十三万 六千七百三|kyū-hyaku hachi-jū san-man, roku-sen nana-hyaku san}} *20 3652 1801 : {{Nihongo|二十億 三千六百五十二万 千八百一|ni-jū oku, san-zen rop-pyaku go-jū ni-man, sen hap-pyaku ichi}} Jednakože, Čisla, napisane arabskymi ciframi, razděljaut na grupy po tri cifry, kako to jest prijeto v anglogovorečih državah. Pri koristanju arabskyh cifr i kandži razom, zapadny sposob zapisu može se koristati za čisla, menši 10,000, ale s {{-|''man''}}, ako čislo je večšo (napr. {{lang|ja|2,500万}} za 25,000,000). Ako v japonskom jezyku dolge čisla sit zapisyvane v kandži, nuly opuskajut za vse stupnje deseti. Tako, 4002 bude {{lang|ja|四千二}} (naprotiv, v kitajskom jezyku trěba použiti {{lang|zh|零}} vsekde vměsto nuly, napr. {{lang|zh|四千零二}} za 4002). Ale, pri čitanju učetovodnyh sprav, napriměr, opuštene cifry inogda označajut {{Nihongo|飛び|tobi}} ili {{Nihongo|飛んで|tonde}}: v našem priměru 4002 {{lang|en|yon-sen '''tobi''' ni}} ili {{lang|en|yon-sen '''tonde''' ni}} vměsto obyčnogo {{lang|en|yon-sen ni}}. == Referencije == {{Iztočniky}} ==Vnješnje linky== <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> * {{lang|ja|[http://www.moroo.com/uzokusou/misc/suumei/suumei.html 大数の名前について]}} (na japonskom jezyku) * {{Cite web |url= http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanese.html | title = Ancient Japanese number system| archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20180829030749/http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanese.html |archive-date=2018-08-29}} * [http://www.solosequenosenada.com/gramatica/japanese/Learn_Japanese_Numbers.php English exercises for learning Japanese numerals] * [https://web.archive.org/web/20090324035049/http://www.learnjapanesewordsandphrases.com/learnjapanesenumbers.html Audio to learn the pronunciation for Japanese numbers] * [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/kanjinumbers.cgi Convert kanji numerals to arabic numerals] (sci. lang. Japan FAQ page) * [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/numbers.cgi Convert arabic numerals to kanji numerals] (sci. lang. Japan FAQ page) </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese numerals|}} {{Prěvod|ru|Японские числительные|}} [[Kategorija:Čisla]] [[Kategorija:Japonsky jezyk]] [[Kategorija:Čislovniky]] {{INTERWIKI|Q1337084}} sfs44xnrrrocywhihegauhlcubbha3o 0 4654 27897 27748 2026-07-02T15:17:31Z Ilja isv 10 27897 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=July 2026}} {{Kartka muzikant | name = {{-|Shakira}} | image = 2023-11-16 Gala de los Latin Grammy, 03 (cropped)02.jpg | caption = Šakira na [[24-ta každoročna nagrada Latin Grammy|{{-|2023 Latin Grammy Awards}}]] | birth_name = {{-|Shakira Isabel Mebarak Ripoll}} | birth_date = {{Birth date|df=y|1977|2|2}} | birth_place = [[Barranquilla|Barankija]], {{-|Atlántico|Атлантико}}, Kolombija | occupation = {{hlist|pevica|avtorka pěsnij|tancorka|muzikalna producentka}} | organization = {{-|[[Barefoot Foundation]]}} | years_active = 1990–sučasnost | works = {{hlist|[[Šakira#Diskografija|Discografija]]|[[Šakira#Spisok pěsnij|zapisane pěsnjie]]|[[Šakira#Videografija|Videografija]]|[[Šakira#Spisok koncertov|koncerty]]|[[Šakira#Koncerty v zapisu|koncerty v zapisu]]}} | partner = {{unbulleted list | [[Antonio de la Rúa|Antonio de la Rua]] (2000–2010) | [[Gerard Piqué|Žerar Pike]] (2010–2022) }} | children = 2 | awards = {{hlist|[[Šakira#Spisok nagrad|Nagrady]]|[[Šakira#Rekordy i doseganja|rekordy]]|[[Šakira#kulturny vplyv|vlivanje]]}} | website = [https://shakira.com {{-|shakira.com}}] | signature = Shakira signature, Billboard Open Letter 2016.png | module = {{Kartka muzikant |embed=yes | origin = [[Bogotá|Bogota]], Kolumbija | instruments = {{hlist|vokal|gitary|harmonika|bubny}} | genre = <!-- Genres reliable sources most commonly categorize artist; aim for generality and two to four genres: [[Template:Kartka muzikant/doc#genre]]. --> {{hlist|[[Latinska musika|latino]]|[[Pop musika|pop]]|[[Tanečna muzika|dans]]|[[Rok|rok]]}} | label = {{-|{{hlist|[[Sony Music Colombia|Sony Colombia]]|[[Epic Records|Epic]]|[[RCA Records|RCA]]|[[Sony Latin]] <!-- Note: Do not add Roc Nation as she is signed to the label for management purposes, not album and single releases. Also, please keep in alphabetical order. -->}}}} }} }} '''{{-|Shakira Isabel Mebarak Ripoll|Шакира Исабел Мебарак Рипољ}}''' {{-| |({{Jezyky|es|Shakira Isabel Mebarak Ripoll}})}} (rodžena 2. februara 1977) je [[Kolumbija|kolumbijska]] pěvica, avtorka pěsenj, tancorka i filantropka. Rodžena i vozpitana v gradu {{-|Barranquilla|Барранкиља}}, ona je često nazyvana «Kraliceju latinskoj muziky» i je znana po svojej muzikalnoj raznolikosti.<ref name=":0">https://www.forbes.com/sites/andreazarczynski/2023/04/30/as-latin-music-booms-grammy-museum-honors-shakira/</ref> Svoj prvy muzikalny debjut pod "{{-|Sony Music Colombia}}" ona iměla v vozrastě 13 lět,<ref>https://www.noticiascaracol.com/entretenimiento/momentos-que-convirtieron-a-shakira-en-estos-48-anos-en-una-estrella-mundial-rg10</ref> a s časom stala jednoju iz najuspěšnějših latinskoamerikanskyh pěvic v historiji.<ref name=":0" /> == Diskografija == * {{-|''Magia''}} (1991) * {{-|''Peligro''}} (1993) * {{-|''Pies Descalzos''}} (1995) * {{-|''Dónde Están los Ladrones?''}} (1998) * {{-|''Laundry Service''}} (2001) * {{-|''Fijación Oral, Vol. 1''}} (2005) * {{-|''Oral Fixation, Vol. 2''}} (2005) * {{-|''She Wolf''}} (2009) * {{-|''Sale el Sol''}} (2010) * {{-|''Shakira''}} (2014) * {{-|''El Dorado''}} (2017) * {{-|''Las Mujeres Ya No Lloran''}} (2024) == Iztočniky == {{Iztočniky}} [[Kategorija:Muzikanti]] [[Kategorija:Kolumbijci]] {{INTERWIKI|Q34424}} p4qqoflv1ijv4wydh1zxbyf9sjqykjb 27899 27897 2026-07-02T15:19:25Z Ilja isv 10 27899 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=July 2026}} {{Kartka muzikant | name = {{-|Shakira}} | image = 2023-11-16 Gala de los Latin Grammy, 03 (cropped)02.jpg | caption = Šakira na [[24-ta každoročna nagrada Latin Grammy|{{-|2023 Latin Grammy Awards}}]] | birth_name = {{-|Shakira Isabel Mebarak Ripoll}} | birth_date = {{Birth date|df=y|1977|2|2}} | birth_place = [[Barranquilla|Barankija]], {{-|Atlántico|Атлантико}}, Kolombija | occupation = {{hlist|pevica|avtorka pěsnij|tancorka|muzikalna producentka}} | organization = {{-|[[Barefoot Foundation]]}} | years_active = 1990–sučasnost | works = {{hlist|[[Šakira#Diskografija|Discografija]]|[[Šakira#Spisok pěsnij|zapisane pěsnjie]]|[[Šakira#Videografija|Videografija]]|[[Šakira#Spisok koncertov|koncerty]]|[[Šakira#Koncerty v zapisu|koncerty v zapisu]]}} | partner = {{unbulleted list | [[Antonio de la Rúa|Antonio de la Rua]] (2000–2010) | [[Gerard Piqué|Žerar Pike]] (2010–2022) }} | children = 2 | awards = {{hlist|[[Šakira#Spisok nagrad|Nagrady]]|[[Šakira#Rekordy i doseganja|rekordy]]|[[Šakira#kulturny vplyv|vlivanje]]}} | website = [https://shakira.com {{-|shakira.com}}] | signature = Shakira signature, Billboard Open Letter 2016.png | module = {{Kartka muzikant |embed=yes | origin = [[Bogotá|Bogota]], Kolumbija | instruments = {{hlist|vokal|gitary|harmonika|bubny}} | genre = <!-- Genres reliable sources most commonly categorize artist; aim for generality and two to four genres: [[Template:Kartka muzikant/doc#genre]]. --> {{hlist|[[Latinska musika|latino]]|[[Pop musika|pop]]|[[Tanečna muzika|dans]]|[[Rok (muzika)|rok]]}} | label = {{-|{{hlist|[[Sony Music Colombia|Sony Colombia]]|[[Epic Records|Epic]]|[[RCA Records|RCA]]|[[Sony Latin]] <!-- Note: Do not add Roc Nation as she is signed to the label for management purposes, not album and single releases. Also, please keep in alphabetical order. -->}}}} }} }} '''{{-|Shakira Isabel Mebarak Ripoll|Шакира Исабел Мебарак Рипољ}}''' {{-| |({{Jezyky|es|Shakira Isabel Mebarak Ripoll}})}} (rodžena 2. februara 1977) je [[Kolumbija|kolumbijska]] pěvica, avtorka pěsenj, tancorka i filantropka. Rodžena i vozpitana v gradu {{-|Barranquilla|Барранкиља}}, ona je često nazyvana «Kraliceju latinskoj muziky» i je znana po svojej muzikalnoj raznolikosti.<ref name=":0">https://www.forbes.com/sites/andreazarczynski/2023/04/30/as-latin-music-booms-grammy-museum-honors-shakira/</ref> Svoj prvy muzikalny debjut pod "{{-|Sony Music Colombia}}" ona iměla v vozrastě 13 lět,<ref>https://www.noticiascaracol.com/entretenimiento/momentos-que-convirtieron-a-shakira-en-estos-48-anos-en-una-estrella-mundial-rg10</ref> a s časom stala jednoju iz najuspěšnějših latinskoamerikanskyh pěvic v historiji.<ref name=":0" /> == Diskografija == * {{-|''Magia''}} (1991) * {{-|''Peligro''}} (1993) * {{-|''Pies Descalzos''}} (1995) * {{-|''Dónde Están los Ladrones?''}} (1998) * {{-|''Laundry Service''}} (2001) * {{-|''Fijación Oral, Vol. 1''}} (2005) * {{-|''Oral Fixation, Vol. 2''}} (2005) * {{-|''She Wolf''}} (2009) * {{-|''Sale el Sol''}} (2010) * {{-|''Shakira''}} (2014) * {{-|''El Dorado''}} (2017) * {{-|''Las Mujeres Ya No Lloran''}} (2024) == Iztočniky == {{Iztočniky}} [[Kategorija:Muzikanti]] [[Kategorija:Kolumbijci]] {{INTERWIKI|Q34424}} 19sfajflvqvv6j77g5qt467rcluscjw 0 4656 27882 27741 2026-07-02T13:42:10Z Ilja isv 10 27882 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka programa|nazva={{-|Norton Commander}}|tip=[[Fajlovy menedžer]]|razrabotniky={{-|John Socha-Leialoha|Джон Соча-Леjалоха]]}}, {{-|[[Symantec Corporation]]}}|avtor={{-|[[John Socha-Leialoha]]|[[John Socha-Leialoha|Джон Соча-Леjалоха]]}}|jezyky programovanja={{-|[[C]]}}, [[Asembler]]|operacijne sistemy={{-|[[DOS]]}}|aparatna platforma={{-|[[PC]]}}|poslědna versija=5.51|data poslědnjej versije=1 Julija 1998|licencija=proprietarna}} '''Norton Commander''' — jest fajlovy menedžer za [[DOS]]. Napisal tutu programu John Socha, a publikovala ju organizacija [[Peter Norton Computing]], ktora potom je byla kupjena korporacijej [[Symantec Corporation]]. {{INTERWIKI|qid=Q776479}} [[Kategorija:Fajlove menedžery]] [[Kategorija:Softver za DOS]] plcj19yxcapxiaxkkg3jvg10xt7nr0n 27883 27882 2026-07-02T13:42:30Z Ilja isv 10 27883 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka programa|nazva={{-|Norton Commander}}|tip=[[Fajlovy menedžer]]|razrabotniky={{-|John Socha-Leialoha|Джон Соча-Леjалоха}}, {{-|[[Symantec Corporation]]}}|avtor={{-|[[John Socha-Leialoha]]|[[John Socha-Leialoha|Джон Соча-Леjалоха]]}}|jezyky programovanja={{-|[[C]]}}, [[Asembler]]|operacijne sistemy={{-|[[DOS]]}}|aparatna platforma={{-|[[PC]]}}|poslědna versija=5.51|data poslědnjej versije=1 Julija 1998|licencija=proprietarna}} '''Norton Commander''' — jest fajlovy menedžer za [[DOS]]. Napisal tutu programu John Socha, a publikovala ju organizacija [[Peter Norton Computing]], ktora potom je byla kupjena korporacijej [[Symantec Corporation]]. {{INTERWIKI|qid=Q776479}} [[Kategorija:Fajlove menedžery]] [[Kategorija:Softver za DOS]] ly6if877lu92iofams0m5v69txo7y75 27884 27883 2026-07-02T13:43:25Z Ilja isv 10 27884 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka programa|nazva={{-|Norton Commander}}|tip=[[Fajlovy menedžer]]|razrabotniky={{-|John Socha-Leialoha|Джон Соча-Леjалоха}}, {{-|[[Symantec Corporation]]}}|avtor={{-|[[John Socha-Leialoha]]|[[John Socha-Leialoha|Джон Соча-Леjалоха]]}}|jezyky programovanja={{-|[[C]]}}, [[Asembler]]|operacijne sistemy={{-|[[DOS]]}}|aparatna platforma={{-|[[PC]]}}|poslědna versija=5.51|data poslědnjej versije=1 Julija 1998|licencija=proprietarna}} '''{{-|Norton Commander}}''' — jest fajlovy menedžer za {{-|[[DOS]]}}. Napisal tutu programu John Socha, a publikovala ju organizacija {{-|[[Peter Norton Computing]]}}, ktora potom je byla kupjena korporacijeju {{-|[[Symantec Corporation]]}}. {{INTERWIKI|qid=Q776479}} [[Kategorija:Fajlove menedžery]] [[Kategorija:Softver za DOS]] ln58tan9qakmlospfzle2r9v8e9cy1o 0 4661 27881 27865 2026-07-02T13:34:19Z Ilja isv 10 27881 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=July 2026}} {{Kartka firma | name = {{-|Electronic Arts Inc.}} | logo = Electronic Arts Logo Blue.svg | logo_class = logo-nobg | image = [[Fajl:Electronic Arts Redwood City May 2011.jpg|center|Budynok centraly {{-|EA}} v Redvud-Siti, Kalifornija, maj 2011]] | image_caption = The EA headquarters building at Redwood City, California, in May 2011 | type = [[Publična kompanija]] | traded_as = {{-|{{Unbulleted list|{{NASDAQ|EA}}|[[Nasdaq-100]] component|[[List of S&P 500 companies|S&P 500]] component}}}} | industry = [[Industrija videoigr|Videoigry]] | founded = {{Start date and age|1982|05|27}} v [[San Mateo]], [[Kalifornija]], SŠA | founder = {{-|[[Trip Hawkins]]|[[Trip Hawkins|Трип Хокинс]]}} | hq_location_city = [[Redvud-Siti, Kalifornija]] | hq_location_country = SŠA | area_served = Cělosvětno | key_people = {{Unbulleted list | {{-|[[Andrew Wilson (businessman)|Andrew Wilson]]|[[Andrew Wilson (businessman)|Ендрjу Вилсон]]}} {{nowrap|([[generalny direktor]] i [[prědsednik]])}} | {{-|[[Laura Miele]]|[[Laura Miele|Лаура Миле]]}} {{nowrap|([[Prezident (biznes)|prezidentka]] {{-|EA Entertainment}})}} | {{-|Cam Weber|Кам Вебер}} {{nowrap|(prezident {{-|[[EA Sports]]}})}} }} | products = [[Electronic Arts#Serije igr, ktore izdavaje Electronic Arts|spisok igr {{-|Electronic Arts}}]] | revenue = {{-|US$}} 7.46&nbsp;miliardov | revenue_year = 2025 | operating_income = {{-|US$}} 1.52&nbsp;miliard | income_year = 2025 | net_income = {{-|US$}} 1.12&nbsp;miliard | net_income_year = 2025 | assets = {{-|US$}} 12.4&nbsp;miliardov | assets_year = 2025 | equity = {{-|US$}} 6.39&nbsp;miliardov | equity_year = 2025 | owner = | num_employees = okolo 14,500 | num_employees_year = 2025 | divisions = {{-|{{Unbulleted list|EA Entertainment|[[EA Sports]]}}}} | subsidiaries = [[Electronic Arts#section link|struktura kompanije]] | website = {{-|[https://www.ea.com ea.com]}} | footnotes = Finansove ukazatelje na 31 mareca 2025.<ref name="sec-filing">{{cite web |date=May 13, 2025 |title=Electronic Arts (EA) Annual Report for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2025 (Form 10-K) |url=https://www.sec.gov/ix?doc=/Archives/edgar/data/0000712515/000071251525000022/ea-20250331.htm |access-date=June 26, 2025 |publisher=[[U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission]] |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250529211013/https://www.sec.gov/ix?doc=/Archives/edgar/data/0000712515/000071251525000022/ea-20250331.htm |archive-date=May 29, 2025 }}</ref> }} '''{{-|Electronic Arts}}''' (skraščeno '''{{-|EA}}''') — [[Sjedinjene štaty Ameriky|amerikanska]] transnacionalna korporacija, ktora reklamuje i izdavaje kompjuterne [[Videoigra|videoigry]]. Bazuje se v Redvud-Siti ({{Jezyky|en|Redwood City}}), štat Kalifornija. == Historija == Organizacija je byla osnovana 28 maja 1982 leta Tripom Hokinsom ({{Jezyky|en|William Murray Hawkins III}}) i je byla jednoj iz prvyh v igrovoj industrije. Organizacija v toj moment imala ime ''{{-|Amazin' Software}}''. Startovy kapital je byl iz svojih finansov Hokinsa i je byl 200 000 dolarov SŠA. == Serije igr, ktore izdavaje {{-|Electronic Arts}} == {{-|EA}} jest osnovna trgova marka {{-|Electronic Arts}} pod ktoroju organizacija izdavaje igry. Spisok serij igr, ktore izdavala i izdavaje {{-|EA}}: <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> * American McGee’s Alice * Army of Two * Battlefield * BattleForge * Burnout * Command & Conquer * Crysis * Dante's Inferno * Dead Space * Def Jam * Dragon Age * Dungeon Keeper * EA Sports FC * F1 Challenge 99–02 * FIFA * Fight Night * The Godfather: The Game * Harry Potter * James Bond * Little Big Adventure * Lord of the Rings * Madden NFL * [[Mass Effect]] * Medal of Honor * Mirror's Edge * NASCAR * Need for Speed * NHL * Plan B Crew * Populous * Real Racing * Rock Band * Shank * SimCity * The Sims * Spore * Star Wars * SimRacing * Syndicate * Tiger Woods * Titanfall * UFC * Ultima * Wing Commander </div> == Referencije == {{Iztočniky}} {{Prěvod|en|Electronic Arts}} [[Kategorija:Electronic Arts]] [[Kategorija:Videoigry]] [[Kategorija:Firma]] {{INTERWIKI|qid=Q173941}} k8tf6srv40c1s0u9vnokjwtczd3fwnt 0 4669 27889 27826 2026-07-02T14:28:31Z Ilja isv 10 27889 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data = July 2026}} {{Kartka osoba | name = Pablo Pikaso | native_name = <center>{{Jezyky|es|Pablo Picasso}}</center> | image = [[Fajl:Pablo_picasso_1.jpg|250px|center|thumb|Pikaso v 1962|alt=Černo-běla fotografija Pikaso v paljtu]] | caption = Pikaso v 1962 | alt = Černo-běla fotografija Pikaso v paljtu | birth_name = {{-|Pablo Diego José Francisco de Paula Juan Nepomuceno María de los Remedios Cipriano de la Santísima Trinidad Ruiz y Picasso}}<ref name="CatRez">{{cite book |last1=Daix |first1=Pierre |title=Picasso, 1900–1906: catalogue raisonné de l'oeuvre peint |year=1988 |publisher=Editions Ides et Calendes |pages=1–106 |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=MlNGAQAAIAAJ |language=fr}}</ref> | birth_date = {{birth date|df=yes|1881|10|25}} | birth_place = [[Málaga|Malaga]], Španija | death_date = {{death date and age|df=yes|1973|4|8|1881|10|25}} | death_place = [[Mougins|Mužen]], Francija | resting_place = {{-|[[Château Vauvenargues]]}} | resting_place_coordinates = {{Coord|43.554142|5.604438|region:FR-13_type:landmark}} | field = Umětnik | training = {{plainlist| * {{-|[[Real Academia de Bellas Artes de San Fernando]]}}}} | years_active = 1897–1973 | movement = [[Kubizm]], [[Surealizm]] | module = {{Kartka osoba|child = yes | name = Glas Pabla Pikasa |signature = [[Fajl:Picasso Signatur-DuMont 1977.svg|frameless]] |module = [[Fajl:10 PABLO PICASO.ogg|center|Glas Pabla Pikasa, zapisany v 1960-h lětah]] }} }} '''Pablo Pikaso''' (rodženy 25 oktobra 1881, umrl 8 aprila 1973) byl špansky umětnik. Jest on uvažany za jednogo od umětnikov dvadesetogo stolětja, ktori imajut najboljši vliv<ref name="brit1">{{cite web |url=https://www.britannica.com/biography/Pablo-Picasso |title=Pablo Picasso, Spanish painter, sculptor, printmaker, ceramicist, and stage designer, one of the most-influential artists of the 20th century and the creator (with Georges Braque) of Cubism. Among his best-known works are Les Demoiselles d’Avignon (1909) and Guernica (1937).|publisher=Encyclopedia Britannica |access-date=2 July 2026 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20260321030745/https://www.britannica.com/biography/Pablo-Picasso |archive-date=21 March 2026 |url-status=dead }}</ref>. Pablo Pikaso jest proslavjeny kako ko-osnovatelj kubizmu i osnovatelj umětnickoj formy asembljaža<ref name="tate1">{{cite web |url=http://www.tate.org.uk/collections/glossary/definition.jsp?entryId=267 |title=Sculpture, Tate |publisher=Tate.org.uk |access-date=3 February 2012 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120203110502/http://www.tate.org.uk/collections/glossary/definition.jsp?entryId=267 |archive-date=3 February 2012 |url-status=dead }}</ref>. Pikaso jest načel nauku umětnosti kogdy imal je sedem lět i od dětinstva ukazal je nevěrojetne sposobnosti. Umětnost Pikasa je široko periodizovana. Razděljajut<ref name="grove1">{{cite web |url=https://grovegallery.com/en-es/blogs/articles/pablo-picasso-periods-a-timeline |title=Pablo Picasso Periods: A Timeline, Grove Gallery |access-date=2 July 2026 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250808204110/https://grovegallery.com/en-es/blogs/articles/pablo-picasso-periods-a-timeline |archive-date=8 August 2025 |url-status=dead }}</ref> jego rannji period (1899–1900), nebesky period (1901–1904), roževy period (1904–1906), africky period (1907–1909), analiticky kubizm (1909–1912), sinteticky kubizm (1913–1925), surealizm (1919–1929) a umětnost časov graždanskoj vojny (1930–1939). == Iztočniky == {{Iztočniky}} {{Prěvod|en|Pablo Picasso}} [[Kategorija:Umětniky i arhitekty]] [[Kategorija:Španci]] [[Kategorija:Surealizm]] {{DEFAULTSORT:Pikaso, Pablo}} {{INTERWIKI|Q5593}} ociyccj4gzx5315ok28v9w9yvqtlxpl 27913 27889 2026-07-02T18:31:30Z Ilja isv 10 /* */ 27913 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data = July 2026}} {{Kartka osoba | name = Pablo Pikaso | native_name = <center>{{Jezyky|es|Pablo Picasso}}</center> | image = [[Fajl:Pablo_picasso_1.jpg|250px|center|thumb|Pikaso v 1962|alt=Černo-běla fotografija Pikaso v paljtu]] | caption = Pikaso v 1962 | alt = Černo-běla fotografija Pikaso v paljtu | birth_name = {{-|Pablo Diego José Francisco de Paula Juan Nepomuceno María de los Remedios Cipriano de la Santísima Trinidad Ruiz y Picasso}}<ref name="CatRez">{{cite book |last1=Daix |first1=Pierre |title=Picasso, 1900–1906: catalogue raisonné de l'oeuvre peint |year=1988 |publisher=Editions Ides et Calendes |pages=1–106 |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=MlNGAQAAIAAJ |language=fr}}</ref> | birth_date = {{birth date|df=yes|1881|10|25}} | birth_place = [[Málaga|Malaga]], Španija | death_date = {{death date and age|df=yes|1973|4|8|1881|10|25}} | death_place = [[Mougins|Mužen]], Francija | resting_place = {{-|[[Château Vauvenargues]]}} | resting_place_coordinates = {{Coord|43.554142|5.604438|region:FR-13_type:landmark}} | field = Umětnik | training = {{plainlist| * {{-|[[Real Academia de Bellas Artes de San Fernando]]}}}} | years_active = 1897–1973 | movement = [[Kubizm]], [[Surealizm]] | module = {{Kartka osoba|child = yes | name = Glas Pabla Pikasa |signature = [[Fajl:Picasso Signatur-DuMont 1977.svg|frameless]] |module = [[Fajl:10 PABLO PICASO.ogg|center|Glas Pabla Pikasa, zapisany v 1960-h lětah]] }} }} '''Pablo Pikaso''' (rodženy 25 oktobra 1881, umrl 8 aprila 1973) byl špansky umětnik. Jest on uvažany za jednogo od umětnikov dvadesetogo stolětja, ktori imajut najboljši vliv<ref name="brit1">{{cite web |url=https://www.britannica.com/biography/Pablo-Picasso |title=Pablo Picasso, Spanish painter, sculptor, printmaker, ceramicist, and stage designer, one of the most-influential artists of the 20th century and the creator (with Georges Braque) of Cubism. Among his best-known works are Les Demoiselles d’Avignon (1909) and Guernica (1937).|publisher=Encyclopedia Britannica |access-date=2 July 2026 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20260321030745/https://www.britannica.com/biography/Pablo-Picasso |archive-date=21 March 2026 |url-status=dead }}</ref>. Pablo Pikaso jest proslavjeny kako so-osnovatelj kubizma i osnovatelj umětnickoj formy asembljaža<ref name="tate1">{{cite web |url=http://www.tate.org.uk/collections/glossary/definition.jsp?entryId=267 |title=Sculpture, Tate |publisher=Tate.org.uk |access-date=3 February 2012 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120203110502/http://www.tate.org.uk/collections/glossary/definition.jsp?entryId=267 |archive-date=3 February 2012 |url-status=dead }}</ref>. Pikaso jest načel nauku umětnosti kogdy imal je sedem lět i od dětinstva ukazal je nevěrojetne sposobnosti. Umětnost Pikasa je široko periodizovana. Razděljajut<ref name="grove1">{{cite web |url=https://grovegallery.com/en-es/blogs/articles/pablo-picasso-periods-a-timeline |title=Pablo Picasso Periods: A Timeline, Grove Gallery |access-date=2 July 2026 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250808204110/https://grovegallery.com/en-es/blogs/articles/pablo-picasso-periods-a-timeline |archive-date=8 August 2025 |url-status=dead }}</ref> jego rannji period (1899–1900), nebesky period (1901–1904), roževy period (1904–1906), africky period (1907–1909), analiticky kubizm (1909–1912), sinteticky kubizm (1913–1925), surealizm (1919–1929) a umětnost časov graždanskoj vojny (1930–1939). == Iztočniky == {{Iztočniky}} {{Prěvod|en|Pablo Picasso}} [[Kategorija:Umětniky i arhitekty]] [[Kategorija:Španci]] [[Kategorija:Surealizm]] {{DEFAULTSORT:Pikaso, Pablo}} {{INTERWIKI|Q5593}} pn2zr5ouxnc8840a1zqtdsv8asxqm1h 0 4680 27877 27876 2026-07-02T12:19:55Z Ilja isv 10 /* */ 27877 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Гачимучи''', [[Japonsky jezyk|jап.]] {{Nihongo|ガチムチ или がちむち|gachimuchi|дословно: «мускулисты»}} јест [[интернет-мем]] и субкултура, зародивша се в августу 2007 года на јапонском видеохостингу [[Nico Nico Douga]]. В 2016 год феномен проникл в рунет, кде изискал популарност, к тому моменту он получил разпрострањенје по всему интернету. Мем јест основаны на низкобуджетных гей-порнофилмах 1990-х годов и вкључаје в себе такоже и болшу коликост мешап-пародиј на популарне музикалне композицији и клипы, створјене с користанјем аудио-фрагментов порнороликов, входячих в фендом. 15kfrn7s7haf7suujf2ca14p8j5cxsz 27878 27877 2026-07-02T12:21:35Z Ilja isv 10 /* */ 27878 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Гачимучи''', [[Japonsky jezyk|jап.]] {{Nihongo|ガチムチ или がちむち|''gachimuchi''|дословно: «мускулисты»}} јест [[интернет-мем]] и субкултура, зародивша се в августу 2007 года на јапонском видеохостингу {{-|[[Nico Nico Douga]]}}. В 2016 год феномен проникл в рунет, кде изискал популарност, к тому моменту он получил разпрострањенје по всему интернету. Мем јест основаны на низкобуджетных гей-порнофилмах 1990-х годов и вкључаје в себе такоже и болшу коликост мешап-пародиј на популарне музикалне композицији и клипы, створјене с користанјем аудио-фрагментов порнороликов, входячих в фендом. 8h2fy0qdcivmhqcnflpkxy80v6w88dh 27905 27878 2026-07-02T17:24:05Z Ilja isv 10 /* */ 27905 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Гачимучи''', [[Japonsky jezyk|jап.]] {{Nihongo|ガチムチ или がちむち|''gachimuchi''|дословно: «мускулисты»}} јест [[интернет-мем]] и субкултура, зародивша се в августу 2007 года на јапонском видеохостингу {{-|[[Nico Nico Douga]]}}. В 2016 год феномен проникл в рунет, кде изискал популарност, к тому моменту он получил разпрострањенје по всему интернету. 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