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[[Fajl:Nuvola Interslavic flag.svg|frameless|36x36px]] &nbsp; Medžuslovjanska občina: {{Plosky spisok|* [https://discord.gg/K4RGv7xrvC Diskord-server] * [https://www.facebook.com/groups/interslavic Fejsbuk-grupa] * [https://interslavic.news/index.php Noviny] * [https://slovjani.info/ Časopis «Slovjani.info»]|class=inline}} |} </div> <!-- ---- SLUŽEBNO --> {{Alphabet}}__NOTOC____NOEDITSECTION__ [[Kategorija:Glavna stranica| ]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5296}} 5ckw24z5tq8mstsq6a1jzdh8nshk2pq Modul:InfoboxImage 828 44 28509 27891 2026-07-10T13:27:46Z Minorax 40 28509 Scribunto text/plain -- Inputs: -- image - Can either be a bare filename (with or without the File:/Image: prefix) or a fully formatted image link -- page - page to display for multipage images (DjVu) -- size - size to display the image -- maxsize - maximum size for image -- sizedefault - default size to display the image if size param is blank -- alt - alt text for image -- title - title text for image -- border - set to yes if border -- center - set to yes, if the image has to be centered -- upright - upright image param -- suppressplaceholder - if yes then checks to see if image is a placeholder and suppresses it -- link - page to visit when clicking on image -- class - HTML classes to add to the image -- Outputs: -- Formatted image. -- More details available at the "Module:InfoboxImage/doc" page local i = {} -- List of placeholder images and tracking categories stored in [[Module:InfoboxImage/data]] -- Other constants: -- the system-wide default thumbnail size (in px) local defaultThumbnailSize = 250 -- If page is not a user page, return tracking category. Else return empty. local function trackingCat(cat) local ns = mw.title.getCurrentTitle().nsText:lower() local categories = mw.loadData('Module:InfoboxImage/data').categories return (ns ~= 'user' and ns ~= 'user talk' and categories[cat]) or "" end -- Determine whether image is a placeholder function i.IsPlaceholder(image) -- change underscores to spaces image = mw.ustring.gsub(image, "_", " "); assert(image ~= nil, 'mw.ustring.gsub(image, "_", " ") must not return nil') -- if image starts with [[ then remove that and anything after | if mw.ustring.sub(image,1,2) == "[[" then image = mw.ustring.sub(image,3); image = mw.ustring.gsub(image, "([^|]*)|.*", "%1"); assert(image ~= nil, 'mw.ustring.gsub(image, "([^|]*)|.*", "%1") must not return nil') end -- Trim spaces image = mw.ustring.gsub(image, '^[ ]*(.-)[ ]*$', '%1'); assert(image ~= nil, "mw.ustring.gsub(image, '^[ ]*(.-)[ ]*$', '%1') must not return nil") -- remove prefix if exists local allNames = mw.site.namespaces[6].aliases allNames[#allNames + 1] = mw.site.namespaces[6].name allNames[#allNames + 1] = mw.site.namespaces[6].canonicalName for i, name in ipairs(allNames) do if mw.ustring.lower(mw.ustring.sub(image, 1, mw.ustring.len(name) + 1)) == mw.ustring.lower(name .. ":") then image = mw.ustring.sub(image, mw.ustring.len(name) + 2); break end end -- Trim spaces image = mw.ustring.gsub(image, '^[ ]*(.-)[ ]*$', '%1'); -- capitalise first letter image = mw.ustring.upper(mw.ustring.sub(image,1,1)) .. mw.ustring.sub(image,2); local placeholder_image = mw.loadData('Module:InfoboxImage/data').placeholder_image return placeholder_image[image] end local function isempty(x) return (not x) or x == "" end -- Main entry point function i.InfoboxImage(frame) local image = frame.args["image"]; if isempty(image) then return ""; end if image == "&nbsp;" then return image; end if frame.args["suppressplaceholder"] ~= "no" then if i.IsPlaceholder(image) == true then return ""; end end if string.find(image, "^%[*https?:") then -- Error category. return trackingCat("url_image_links") end if mw.ustring.sub(image,1,2) == "[[" then -- search for thumbnail images and add to tracking cat if found local cat = ""; if mw.title.getCurrentTitle().namespace == 0 and (mw.ustring.find(image, "|%s*thumb%s*[|%]]") or mw.ustring.find(image, "|%s*thumbnail%s*[|%]]")) then cat = trackingCat("thumbnail_images") end return image .. cat; elseif mw.ustring.sub(image,1,2) == "{{" and mw.ustring.sub(image,1,3) ~= "{{{" then return image; elseif mw.ustring.sub(image,1,1) == "<" then return image; elseif mw.ustring.sub(image,1,8) == mw.ustring.char(127).."'\"`UNIQ" then -- Found strip marker at begining, so pass don't process at all return image; else local result = ""; local page = frame.args["page"]; local upright = frame.args["upright"] or "" local size = frame.args["size"]; local maxsize = frame.args["maxsize"]; local sizedefault = frame.args["sizedefault"]; local alt = frame.args["alt"]; local link = frame.args["link"]; local title = frame.args["title"]; local border = frame.args["border"]; local thumbtime = frame.args["thumbtime"] or ""; local center = frame.args["center"]; local class = frame.args["class"]; -- remove prefix if exists local allNames = mw.site.namespaces[6].aliases allNames[#allNames + 1] = mw.site.namespaces[6].name allNames[#allNames + 1] = mw.site.namespaces[6].canonicalName for i, name in ipairs(allNames) do if mw.ustring.lower(mw.ustring.sub(image, 1, mw.ustring.len(name) + 1)) == mw.ustring.lower(name .. ":") then image = mw.ustring.sub(image, mw.ustring.len(name) + 2); break end end if not isempty(maxsize) then -- if no sizedefault nor upright, then set to maxsize if isempty(sizedefault) and isempty(upright) then sizedefault = maxsize end -- check to see if size bigger than maxsize local maxsizenumber = tonumber(mw.ustring.match(maxsize,"%d*")) or 0; if not isempty(size) then local sizenumber = tonumber(mw.ustring.match(size,"%d*")) or 0; if sizenumber > maxsizenumber and maxsizenumber > 0 then size = maxsize; end end -- check to see if upright bigger than maxsize (at default preferred size) if not isempty(upright) then local uprightnumber = tonumber(upright) or (upright == "yes" and 0.75) or 0 if uprightnumber*defaultThumbnailSize > maxsizenumber and maxsizenumber > 0 then upright = tostring(maxsizenumber/defaultThumbnailSize) end end end -- add px to size if just a number if (tonumber(size) or 0) > 0 then size = size .. "px"; end -- add px to sizedefault if just a number if (tonumber(sizedefault) or 0) > 0 then sizedefault = sizedefault .. "px"; end result = "[[File:" .. image .. '|thumb|center'; if not isempty(page) then result = result .. "|page=" .. page; end if not isempty(size) then result = result .. "|" .. size; elseif not isempty(sizedefault) and isempty(upright) then result = result .. "|" .. sizedefault; end if center == "yes" then result = result .. "|center" end if not isempty(alt) then result = result .. "|alt=" .. alt; end if not isempty(link) then result = result .. "|link=" .. link; end if border == "yes" then result = result .. "|border"; end if upright == "yes" then result = result .. "|upright"; elseif upright ~= "" then result = result .. "|upright=" .. upright; end if thumbtime ~= "" then result = result .. "|thumbtime=" .. thumbtime; end if not isempty(class) then result = result .. "|class=" .. class; end -- if alt value is a keyword then do not use as a description if alt == "thumbnail" or alt == "thumb" or alt == "frameless" or alt == "left" or alt == "center" or alt == "right" or alt == "upright" or alt == "border" or mw.ustring.match(alt or "", '^[0-9]*px$', 1) ~= nil then alt = nil; end if not isempty(title) then -- does title param contain any templatestyles? If yes then set to blank. if mw.ustring.match(frame:preprocess(title), 'UNIQ%-%-templatestyles', 1) ~= nil then title = nil; end end if not isempty(title) then result = result .. "|" .. title; end result = result .. "]]"; return result; end end return i; jg8divh1uiadsdigb5oqpupxqz36143 28510 28509 2026-07-10T13:28:28Z Minorax 40 Odčinjena jest jedna pravka od koristnika [[Special:Contributions/Minorax|Minorax]] ([[User talk:Minorax|besěda]]), povrat k poslědnjej versiji od koristnika [[User:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. 27891 Scribunto text/plain -- Inputs: -- image - Can either be a bare filename (with or without the File:/Image: prefix) or a fully formatted image link -- page - page to display for multipage images (DjVu) -- size - size to display the image -- maxsize - maximum size for image -- sizedefault - default size to display the image if size param is blank -- alt - alt text for image -- title - title text for image -- border - set to yes if border -- center - set to yes, if the image has to be centered -- upright - upright image param -- suppressplaceholder - if yes then checks to see if image is a placeholder and suppresses it -- link - page to visit when clicking on image -- class - HTML classes to add to the image -- Outputs: -- Formatted image. -- More details available at the "Module:InfoboxImage/doc" page local i = {} -- List of placeholder images and tracking categories stored in [[Module:InfoboxImage/data]] -- Other constants: -- the system-wide default thumbnail size (in px) local defaultThumbnailSize = 250 -- If page is not a user page, return tracking category. Else return empty. local function trackingCat(cat) local ns = mw.title.getCurrentTitle().nsText:lower() local categories = mw.loadData('Module:InfoboxImage/data').categories return (ns ~= 'user' and ns ~= 'user talk' and categories[cat]) or "" end -- Determine whether image is a placeholder function i.IsPlaceholder(image) -- change underscores to spaces image = mw.ustring.gsub(image, "_", " "); assert(image ~= nil, 'mw.ustring.gsub(image, "_", " ") must not return nil') -- if image starts with [[ then remove that and anything after | if mw.ustring.sub(image,1,2) == "[[" then image = mw.ustring.sub(image,3); image = mw.ustring.gsub(image, "([^|]*)|.*", "%1"); assert(image ~= nil, 'mw.ustring.gsub(image, "([^|]*)|.*", "%1") must not return nil') end -- Trim spaces image = mw.ustring.gsub(image, '^[ ]*(.-)[ ]*$', '%1'); assert(image ~= nil, "mw.ustring.gsub(image, '^[ ]*(.-)[ ]*$', '%1') must not return nil") -- remove prefix if exists local allNames = mw.site.namespaces[6].aliases allNames[#allNames + 1] = mw.site.namespaces[6].name allNames[#allNames + 1] = mw.site.namespaces[6].canonicalName for i, name in ipairs(allNames) do if mw.ustring.lower(mw.ustring.sub(image, 1, mw.ustring.len(name) + 1)) == mw.ustring.lower(name .. ":") then image = mw.ustring.sub(image, mw.ustring.len(name) + 2); break end end -- Trim spaces image = mw.ustring.gsub(image, '^[ ]*(.-)[ ]*$', '%1'); -- capitalise first letter image = mw.ustring.upper(mw.ustring.sub(image,1,1)) .. mw.ustring.sub(image,2); local placeholder_image = mw.loadData('Module:InfoboxImage/data').placeholder_image return placeholder_image[image] end local function isempty(x) return (not x) or x == "" end -- Main entry point function i.InfoboxImage(frame) local image = frame.args["image"]; if isempty(image) then return ""; end if image == "&nbsp;" then return image; end if frame.args["suppressplaceholder"] ~= "no" then if i.IsPlaceholder(image) == true then return ""; end end if string.find(image, "^%[*https?:") then -- Error category. return trackingCat("url_image_links") end if mw.ustring.sub(image,1,2) == "[[" then -- search for thumbnail images and add to tracking cat if found local cat = ""; if mw.title.getCurrentTitle().namespace == 0 and (mw.ustring.find(image, "|%s*thumb%s*[|%]]") or mw.ustring.find(image, "|%s*thumbnail%s*[|%]]")) then cat = trackingCat("thumbnail_images") end return image .. cat; elseif mw.ustring.sub(image,1,2) == "{{" and mw.ustring.sub(image,1,3) ~= "{{{" then return image; elseif mw.ustring.sub(image,1,1) == "<" then return image; elseif mw.ustring.sub(image,1,8) == mw.ustring.char(127).."'\"`UNIQ" then -- Found strip marker at begining, so pass don't process at all return image; else local result = ""; local page = frame.args["page"]; local upright = frame.args["upright"] or "" local size = frame.args["size"]; local maxsize = frame.args["maxsize"]; local sizedefault = frame.args["sizedefault"]; local alt = frame.args["alt"]; local link = frame.args["link"]; local title = frame.args["title"]; local border = frame.args["border"]; local thumbtime = frame.args["thumbtime"] or ""; local center = frame.args["center"]; local class = frame.args["class"]; -- remove prefix if exists local allNames = mw.site.namespaces[6].aliases allNames[#allNames + 1] = mw.site.namespaces[6].name allNames[#allNames + 1] = mw.site.namespaces[6].canonicalName for i, name in ipairs(allNames) do if mw.ustring.lower(mw.ustring.sub(image, 1, mw.ustring.len(name) + 1)) == mw.ustring.lower(name .. ":") then image = mw.ustring.sub(image, mw.ustring.len(name) + 2); break end end if not isempty(maxsize) then -- if no sizedefault nor upright, then set to maxsize if isempty(sizedefault) and isempty(upright) then sizedefault = maxsize end -- check to see if size bigger than maxsize local maxsizenumber = tonumber(mw.ustring.match(maxsize,"%d*")) or 0; if not isempty(size) then local sizenumber = tonumber(mw.ustring.match(size,"%d*")) or 0; if sizenumber > maxsizenumber and maxsizenumber > 0 then size = maxsize; end end -- check to see if upright bigger than maxsize (at default preferred size) if not isempty(upright) then local uprightnumber = tonumber(upright) or (upright == "yes" and 0.75) or 0 if uprightnumber*defaultThumbnailSize > maxsizenumber and maxsizenumber > 0 then upright = tostring(maxsizenumber/defaultThumbnailSize) end end end -- add px to size if just a number if (tonumber(size) or 0) > 0 then size = size .. "px"; end -- add px to sizedefault if just a number if (tonumber(sizedefault) or 0) > 0 then sizedefault = sizedefault .. "px"; end result = "[[File:" .. image .. '|thumb|center'; if not isempty(page) then result = result .. "|page=" .. page; end if not isempty(size) then result = result .. "|" .. size; elseif not isempty(sizedefault) and isempty(upright) then result = result .. "|" .. sizedefault; else result = result .. "|frameless"; end if center == "yes" then result = result .. "|center" end if not isempty(alt) then result = result .. "|alt=" .. alt; end if not isempty(link) then result = result .. "|link=" .. link; end if border == "yes" then result = result .. "|border"; end if upright == "yes" then result = result .. "|upright"; elseif upright ~= "" then result = result .. "|upright=" .. upright; end if thumbtime ~= "" then result = result .. "|thumbtime=" .. thumbtime; end if not isempty(class) then result = result .. "|class=" .. class; end -- if alt value is a keyword then do not use as a description if alt == "thumbnail" or alt == "thumb" or alt == "frameless" or alt == "left" or alt == "center" or alt == "right" or alt == "upright" or alt == "border" or mw.ustring.match(alt or "", '^[0-9]*px$', 1) ~= nil then alt = nil; end if not isempty(title) then -- does title param contain any templatestyles? If yes then set to blank. if mw.ustring.match(frame:preprocess(title), 'UNIQ%-%-templatestyles', 1) ~= nil then title = nil; end end if not isempty(title) then result = result .. "|" .. title; end result = result .. "]]"; return result; end end return i; 60rhmbjc2eqn6yusklhu15pnsdh1edv 28511 28510 2026-07-10T13:29:22Z Minorax 40 28511 Scribunto text/plain -- Inputs: -- image - Can either be a bare filename (with or without the File:/Image: prefix) or a fully formatted image link -- page - page to display for multipage images (DjVu) -- size - size to display the image -- maxsize - maximum size for image -- sizedefault - default size to display the image if size param is blank -- alt - alt text for image -- title - title text for image -- border - set to yes if border -- center - set to yes, if the image has to be centered -- upright - upright image param -- suppressplaceholder - if yes then checks to see if image is a placeholder and suppresses it -- link - page to visit when clicking on image -- class - HTML classes to add to the image -- Outputs: -- Formatted image. -- More details available at the "Module:InfoboxImage/doc" page local i = {} -- List of placeholder images and tracking categories stored in [[Module:InfoboxImage/data]] -- Other constants: -- the system-wide default thumbnail size (in px) local defaultThumbnailSize = 250 -- If page is not a user page, return tracking category. Else return empty. local function trackingCat(cat) local ns = mw.title.getCurrentTitle().nsText:lower() local categories = mw.loadData('Module:InfoboxImage/data').categories return (ns ~= 'user' and ns ~= 'user talk' and categories[cat]) or "" end -- Determine whether image is a placeholder function i.IsPlaceholder(image) -- change underscores to spaces image = mw.ustring.gsub(image, "_", " "); assert(image ~= nil, 'mw.ustring.gsub(image, "_", " ") must not return nil') -- if image starts with [[ then remove that and anything after | if mw.ustring.sub(image,1,2) == "[[" then image = mw.ustring.sub(image,3); image = mw.ustring.gsub(image, "([^|]*)|.*", "%1"); assert(image ~= nil, 'mw.ustring.gsub(image, "([^|]*)|.*", "%1") must not return nil') end -- Trim spaces image = mw.ustring.gsub(image, '^[ ]*(.-)[ ]*$', '%1'); assert(image ~= nil, "mw.ustring.gsub(image, '^[ ]*(.-)[ ]*$', '%1') must not return nil") -- remove prefix if exists local allNames = mw.site.namespaces[6].aliases allNames[#allNames + 1] = mw.site.namespaces[6].name allNames[#allNames + 1] = mw.site.namespaces[6].canonicalName for i, name in ipairs(allNames) do if mw.ustring.lower(mw.ustring.sub(image, 1, mw.ustring.len(name) + 1)) == mw.ustring.lower(name .. ":") then image = mw.ustring.sub(image, mw.ustring.len(name) + 2); break end end -- Trim spaces image = mw.ustring.gsub(image, '^[ ]*(.-)[ ]*$', '%1'); -- capitalise first letter image = mw.ustring.upper(mw.ustring.sub(image,1,1)) .. mw.ustring.sub(image,2); local placeholder_image = mw.loadData('Module:InfoboxImage/data').placeholder_image return placeholder_image[image] end local function isempty(x) return (not x) or x == "" end -- Main entry point function i.InfoboxImage(frame) local image = frame.args["image"]; if isempty(image) then return ""; end if image == "&nbsp;" then return image; end if frame.args["suppressplaceholder"] ~= "no" then if i.IsPlaceholder(image) == true then return ""; end end if string.find(image, "^%[*https?:") then -- Error category. return trackingCat("url_image_links") end if mw.ustring.sub(image,1,2) == "[[" then -- search for thumbnail images and add to tracking cat if found local cat = ""; if mw.title.getCurrentTitle().namespace == 0 and (mw.ustring.find(image, "|%s*thumb%s*[|%]]") or mw.ustring.find(image, "|%s*thumbnail%s*[|%]]")) then cat = trackingCat("thumbnail_images") end return image .. cat; elseif mw.ustring.sub(image,1,2) == "{{" and mw.ustring.sub(image,1,3) ~= "{{{" then return image; elseif mw.ustring.sub(image,1,1) == "<" then return image; elseif mw.ustring.sub(image,1,8) == mw.ustring.char(127).."'\"`UNIQ" then -- Found strip marker at begining, so pass don't process at all return image; else local result = ""; local page = frame.args["page"]; local upright = frame.args["upright"] or "" local size = frame.args["size"]; local maxsize = frame.args["maxsize"]; local sizedefault = frame.args["sizedefault"]; local alt = frame.args["alt"]; local link = frame.args["link"]; local title = frame.args["title"]; local border = frame.args["border"]; local thumbtime = frame.args["thumbtime"] or ""; local center = frame.args["center"]; local class = frame.args["class"]; -- remove prefix if exists local allNames = mw.site.namespaces[6].aliases allNames[#allNames + 1] = mw.site.namespaces[6].name allNames[#allNames + 1] = mw.site.namespaces[6].canonicalName for i, name in ipairs(allNames) do if mw.ustring.lower(mw.ustring.sub(image, 1, mw.ustring.len(name) + 1)) == mw.ustring.lower(name .. ":") then image = mw.ustring.sub(image, mw.ustring.len(name) + 2); break end end if not isempty(maxsize) then -- if no sizedefault nor upright, then set to maxsize if isempty(sizedefault) and isempty(upright) then sizedefault = maxsize end -- check to see if size bigger than maxsize local maxsizenumber = tonumber(mw.ustring.match(maxsize,"%d*")) or 0; if not isempty(size) then local sizenumber = tonumber(mw.ustring.match(size,"%d*")) or 0; if sizenumber > maxsizenumber and maxsizenumber > 0 then size = maxsize; end end -- check to see if upright bigger than maxsize (at default preferred size) if not isempty(upright) then local uprightnumber = tonumber(upright) or (upright == "yes" and 0.75) or 0 if uprightnumber*defaultThumbnailSize > maxsizenumber and maxsizenumber > 0 then upright = tostring(maxsizenumber/defaultThumbnailSize) end end end -- add px to size if just a number if (tonumber(size) or 0) > 0 then size = size .. "px"; end -- add px to sizedefault if just a number if (tonumber(sizedefault) or 0) > 0 then sizedefault = sizedefault .. "px"; end result = "[[File:" .. image .. '|thumb|center'; if not isempty(page) then result = result .. "|page=" .. page; end if not isempty(size) then result = result .. "|" .. size; elseif not isempty(sizedefault) and isempty(upright) then result = result .. "|" .. sizedefault; end if center == "yes" then result = result .. "|center" end if not isempty(alt) then result = result .. "|alt=" .. alt; end if not isempty(link) then result = result .. "|link=" .. link; end if border == "yes" then result = result .. "|border"; end if upright == "yes" then result = result .. "|upright"; elseif upright ~= "" then result = result .. "|upright=" .. upright; end if thumbtime ~= "" then result = result .. "|thumbtime=" .. thumbtime; end if not isempty(class) then result = result .. "|class=" .. class; end -- if alt value is a keyword then do not use as a description if alt == "thumbnail" or alt == "thumb" or alt == "frameless" or alt == "left" or alt == "center" or alt == "right" or alt == "upright" or alt == "border" or mw.ustring.match(alt or "", '^[0-9]*px$', 1) ~= nil then alt = nil; end if not isempty(title) then -- does title param contain any templatestyles? If yes then set to blank. if mw.ustring.match(frame:preprocess(title), 'UNIQ%-%-templatestyles', 1) ~= nil then title = nil; end end if not isempty(title) then result = result .. "|" .. title; end result = result .. "]]"; return result; end end return i; jg8divh1uiadsdigb5oqpupxqz36143 Modul:Jezyky/data 828 46 28533 28472 2026-07-11T04:32:22Z MwGamera 13 skr. fa: per.→pers. 28533 Scribunto text/plain -- Language table for [[Module:Jezyky]] local languages = {} -- Abhazsky languages['ab'] = { abbr = 'abh.', name = 'Abhazsky jezyk', locative = 'na abhazskom', } -- Abaza languages['abq'] = { abbr = 'abaz.', name = 'Abazinsky jezyk', locative = 'na abazinskom', } -- Adyghe languages['ady'] = { abbr = 'adyg.', name = 'Adygejsky jezyk', locative = 'na adygejskom', } -- Afrikaans languages['af'] = { abbr = 'afr.', name = 'Afrikaans', locative = 'na afrikaans', } -- Arabic languages['ar'] = { dir = 'rtl', abbr = 'arab.', name = 'Arabsky jezyk', locative = 'na arabskom', } -- Avarsky languages['av'] = { abbr = 'avar.', name = 'Avarsky jezyk', locative = 'na avarskom', } -- Azerbaijani languages['az'] = { abbr = 'azer.', name = 'Azerbajdžansky jezyk', locative = 'na azerbajdžanskom', } -- Baškirsky languages['ba'] = { abbr = 'bašk.', name = 'Baškirsky jezyk', locative = 'na baškirskom', } -- Belarusian languages['be'] = { abbr = 'běl.', name = 'Bělorussky jezyk', locative = 'na bělorusskom', } languages['be-tarask'] = { abbr = 'kl. běl.', name = 'Taraškevica', locative = 'na taraškevicě', } -- Bulgarian languages['bg'] = { abbr = 'bulg.', name = 'Bulgarsky jezyk', locative = 'na bulgarskom', } -- Bosnian languages['bs'] = { abbr = 'bos.', name = 'Bosnijsky jezyk', locative = 'na bosnijskom', } -- Catalan languages['ca'] = { abbr = 'kat.', name = 'Katalansky jezyk', locative = 'na katalanskom', } -- Chechen languages['ce'] = { abbr = 'čeč.', name = 'Čečensky jezyk', locative = 'na čečenskom', } -- Montenegrin languages['cnr'] = { abbr = 'črnogor.', name = 'Črnogorsky jezyk', locative = 'na črnogorskom', } -- Chuvash languages['cv'] = { abbr = 'čuv.', name = 'Čuvašsky jezyk', locative = 'na čuvašskom', } -- Czech languages['cs'] = { abbr = 'češ.', name = 'Češsky jezyk', locative = 'na češskom', } -- Kashubian languages['csb'] = { abbr = 'kaš.', name = 'Kašubsky jezyk', locative = 'na kašubskom', } -- Church Slavonic languages['cu'] = { abbr = 'crkovnoslov.', name = 'Crkovnoslovjansky jezyk', locative = 'na crkovnoslovjanskom', } -- Danish languages['da'] = { abbr = 'dan.', name = 'Dansky jezyk', locative = 'na danskom', } -- Lower Sorbian languages['dsb'] = { abbr = 'dolnoluž.', name = 'Dolnolužičsky jezyk', locative = 'na dolnolužičskom', } -- German languages['de'] = { abbr = 'něm.', name = 'Němečsky jezyk', locative = 'na němečskom', } -- Greek languages['el'] = { italic = false, abbr = 'greč.', name = 'Grečsky jezyk', locative = 'na grečskom', } -- English languages['en'] = { abbr = 'ang.', name = 'Anglijsky jezyk', locative = 'na anglijskom', } -- Esperanto languages['eo'] = { abbr = 'esp.', name = 'Esperanto', locative = 'na esperantu', } -- Spanish languages['es'] = { abbr = 'špan.', name = 'Špansky jezyk', locative = 'na španskom', } -- Estonian languages['et'] = { abbr = 'est.', name = 'Estonsky jezyk', locative = 'na estonskom', } -- Finnish languages['fi'] = { abbr = 'fin.', name = 'Finsky jezyk', locative = 'na finskom', } -- French languages['fr'] = { abbr = 'fr.', name = 'Francuzsky jezyk', locative = 'na francuzskom', } -- Frisian languages['fy'] = { abbr = 'friz.', name = 'Frizijsky jezyk', locative = 'na frizijskom', } -- Irish languages['ga'] = { abbr = 'irl.', name = 'Irlandsky jezyk', locative = 'na irlandskom', } -- Gothic languages['got'] = { italic = false, abbr = 'got.', name = 'Gotsky jezyk', locative = 'na gotskom', } -- Ancient Greek languages['grc'] = { italic = false, abbr = 'davnogreč.', name = 'Davnogrečsky jezyk', locative = 'na davnogrečskom', } -- Hawaiian languages['haw'] = { abbr = 'hav.', name = 'Havajsky jezyk', locative = 'na havajskom', } -- Hebrew languages['he'] = { dir = 'rtl', abbr = 'heb.', name = 'Hebrejsky jezyk', locative = 'na hebrejskom', } -- Hindi languages['hi'] = { abbr = 'hindi', name = 'Hindi', locative = 'na jezyku hindi', } -- Croatian languages['hr'] = { abbr = 'hrv.', name = 'Hrvatsky jezyk', locative = 'na hrvatskom', } -- Upper Sorbian languages['hsb'] = { abbr = 'gornoluž.', name = 'Gornolužičsky jezyk', locative = 'na gornolužičskom', } -- Hungarian languages['hu'] = { abbr = 'vug.', name = 'Vugrsky jezyk', locative = 'na vugrskom', } -- Armenian languages['hy'] = { abbr = 'arm.', name = 'Arměnsky jezyk', locative = 'na arměnskom', } -- Interlingue/Occidental languages['ie'] = { abbr = 'int.', name = 'Interlingve', locative = 'na interlingvu', } -- Indo-European languages languages['ine'] = { abbr = 'indoevr.', name = 'Indoevropejske jezyky', locative = 'na indoevropejskyh jezykah', } -- Ido languages['io'] = { abbr = 'ido', name = 'Ido', locative = 'na idu', } -- Icelandic languages['is'] = { abbr = 'isl.', name = 'Islandsky jezyk', locative = 'na islandskom', } -- Interslavic languages['isv'] = { abbr = 'medžusl.', name = 'Medžuslovjansky jezyk', locative = 'na medžuslovjanskom', } languages['isv-cyrl'] = languages['isv']; languages['isv-latn'] = languages['isv']; -- Italian languages['it'] = { abbr = 'ital.', name = 'Italijansky jezyk', locative = 'na italijanskom', } -- Japanese languages['ja'] = { italic = false, abbr = 'jap.', name = 'Japonsky jezyk', locative = 'na japonskom', } -- Georgian languages['ka'] = { italic = false, abbr = 'gruz.', name = 'Gruzinsky jezyk', locative = 'na gruzinskom', } -- Kabardian languages['kbd'] = { abbr = 'kab.', name = 'Kabardinsky jezyk', locative = 'na kabardinskom', } -- Kyrgyz languages['ki'] = { abbr = 'kyr.', name = 'Kyrgyzsky jezyk', locative = 'na kyrgyzskom', } -- Kazakh languages['kk'] = { abbr = 'kazah.', name = 'Kazahsky jezyk', locative = 'na kazahskom', } -- Karachay-Balkar languages['krc'] = { abbr = 'kar.-balk.', name = 'Karačajsko-balkarsky jezyk', locative = 'na karačajsko-balkarskom', } -- Karelian languages['krl'] = { abbr = 'karel.', name = 'Karelsky jezyk', locative = 'na karelskom', } -- Komi languages['kv'] = { abbr = 'zyr.', name = 'Komi-zyrjansky jezyk', locative = 'na komi-zyrjanskom' } -- Latin languages['la'] = { abbr = 'lat.', name = 'Latinsky jezyk', locative = 'na latinskom', } -- Luxemburgish languages['lb'] = { abbr = 'luks.', name = 'Luksemburgsky jezyk', locative = 'na luksemburgskom', } -- Lezgi languages['lez'] = { abbr = 'lezg.', name = 'Lezginsky jezyk', locative = 'na lezginskom', } -- Lingua Franca Nova languages['lfn'] = { abbr = 'elefen', name = 'Lingua Franca Nova', locative = 'na lingva-franka-nově', } -- Lithuanian languages['lt'] = { abbr = 'lit.', name = 'Litovsky jezyk', locative = 'na litovskom', } -- Latvian languages['lv'] = { abbr = 'lat.', name = 'Latyšsky jezyk', locative = 'na latyšskom', } -- Macedonian languages['mk'] = { abbr = 'mak.', name = 'Makedonsky jezyk', locative = 'na makedonskom', } -- Mongolian languages['mn'] = { abbr = 'mon.', name = 'Mongolsky jezyk', locative = 'na mongolskom', } -- Maltese languages['mt'] = { abbr = 'malt.', name = 'Maltijsky jezyk', locative = 'na maltijskom', } -- Norwegian languages['nb'] = { abbr = 'nor. buk.', name = 'Bukmol', locative = 'na norvežskom bukmolu', } -- Dutch languages['nl'] = { abbr = 'nid.', name = 'Niderlandsky jezyk', locative = 'na niderlandskom', } -- Norwegian languages['nn'] = { abbr = 'nor. njun.', name = 'Njunošk', locative = 'na norvežskom njunošku', } -- Norwegian languages['no'] = { abbr = 'nor.', name = 'Norvežsky jezyk', locative = 'na norvežskom', } -- Nogay languages['nog'] = { abbr = 'nogaj.', name = 'Nogajsky jezyk', locative = 'na nogajskom', } -- Old East Slavic languages['orv'] = { abbr = 'Staroiztočnoslov.', name = 'staroiztočnoslovjansky jezyk', locative = 'na staroiztočnoslovjanskom', } -- Polish languages['pl'] = { abbr = 'pol.', name = 'Poljsky jezyk', locative = 'na poljskom', } -- Pannonian Rusyn languages['rsk'] = { abbr = 'panonsko-rusin.', name = 'Panonsko-rusinsky jezyk', locative = 'na panonsko-rusinskom', } -- Old Prussian languages['prg'] = { abbr = 'staropruss.', name = 'Staroprussky jezyk', locative = 'na staroprusskom', } -- Portuguese languages['pt'] = { abbr = 'port.', name = 'Portugalsky jezyk', locative = 'na portugalskom', } -- Quechua languages['qu'] = { abbr = 'keč.', name = 'Jezyk Kečua', locative = 'na jezyku kečua', } -- Romanian languages['rm'] = { abbr = 'romanš.', name = 'Romanšsky jezyk', locative = 'na romanšskom', } -- Romanian languages['ro'] = { abbr = 'rum.', name = 'Rumunsky jezyk', locative = 'na rumunskom', } -- Russian languages['ru'] = { abbr = 'rus.', name = 'Russky jezyk', locative = 'na russkom', } -- Rusyn languages['rue'] = { abbr = 'rusin.', name = 'Rusinsky jezyk', locative = 'na rusinskom', } -- Sanskrit languages['sa'] = { italic = false, abbr = 'Sanskr.', name = 'sanskrit', locative = 'na sanskritu', } -- Yakut languages['sah'] = { italic = false, abbr = 'Jak.', name = 'jakutsky', locative = 'na jakutskom', } -- Serbo-Croatian languages['sh'] = { abbr = 'srbohrv.', name = 'Srbskohrvatsky jezyk', locative = 'na srbskohrvatskom', } -- Slovak languages['sk'] = { abbr = 'slovač.', name = 'Slovačsky jezyk', locative = 'na slovačskom', } -- Slovene languages['sl'] = { abbr = 'sloven.', name = 'Slovenečsky jezyk', locative = 'na slovenečskom', } -- Albanian languages['sq'] = { abbr = 'alb.', name = 'Albansky jezyk', locative = 'na albanskom', } -- Serbian languages['sr'] = { abbr = 'srb.', name = 'Srbsky jezyk', locative = 'na srbskom', } languages['sr-cyrl'] = languages['sr'] languages['sr-latn'] = languages['sr'] -- Swedish languages['sv'] = { abbr = 'šved.', name = 'Švedsky jezyk', locative = 'na švedskom', } -- Swahili languages['sw'] = { abbr = 'suah.', name = 'Suahili', locative = 'na jezyku suahili', } -- Tajik languages['tg'] = { abbr = 'tadž.', name = 'Tadžičsky jezyk', locative = 'na tadžičskom', } -- Turkmen languages['tk'] = { abbr = 'turkm.', name = 'Turkmensky jezyk', locative = 'na turkmenskom', } -- Toki Pona languages['tok'] = { abbr = 'tok.', name = 'Toki-pona', locative = 'na toki-poně', } -- Turkish languages['tr'] = { abbr = 'tur.', name = 'Turečsky jezyk', locative = 'na turečskom', } -- Tatar languages['tt'] = { abbr = 'tat.', name = 'Tatarsky jezyk', locative = 'na tatarskom', } -- Ukrainian languages['uk'] = { abbr = 'ukr.', name = 'Ukrajinsky jezyk', locative = 'na ukrajinskom', } -- Udmurt languages['udm'] = { abbr = 'udm.', name = 'Udmurtsky jezyk', locative = 'na udmurtskom', } -- Urdu languages['ur'] = { dir = 'rtl', abbr = 'urdu', name = 'Urdu', locative = 'na jezyku urdu', } -- Uzbek languages['uz'] = { abbr = 'uzb.', name = 'Uzbečsky jezyk', locative = 'na uzbečskom', } -- Greenlandic languages['kl'] = { abbr = 'grenl.', name = 'Grenlandsky jezyk', locative = 'na grenlandskom', } -- Volapük languages['vo'] = { abbr = 'vol.', name = 'Volapük', locative = 'na volapüku', } -- Proto-Slavic languages['sla-pro'] = { abbr = 'psl.', name = 'Praslovjansky jezyk', locative = 'na praslovjanskom', } -- Uproščeny kitajsky languages['zh-hans'] = { italic = false, abbr = 'upr. kit.', name = 'Kitajsky jezyk (uproščeny)', locative = 'na kitajskom', } -- Tradicijny kitajsky languages['zh-hant'] = { italic = false, abbr = 'trad. kit.', name = 'Kitajsky jezyk (tradicijny)', locative = 'na kitajskom (tradicijnom)', } -- Farsi languages['fa'] = { italic = false, abbr = 'pers.', name = 'Persijsky jezyk', locative = 'na persijskom', } -- Amharsky languages['am'] = { abbr = 'amh.', name = 'Amharsky jezyk', locative = 'na amharskom', } -- Bavarsky languages['bar'] = { abbr = 'bav.', name = 'Bavarsky jezyk', locative = 'na bavarsky', } -- Indonezijsky languages['id'] = { abbr = 'indon.', name = 'Indonezijsky jezyk', locative = 'na indonezijskom', } -- Vietnamsky languages['vi'] = { abbr = 'viet.', name = 'Vietnamsky jezyk', locative = 'na vietnamskom', } -- Korejsky languages['ko'] = { abbr = 'kor.', name = 'Korejsky jezyk', locative = 'na korejskom', } -- Kurdsky languages['ku'] = { abbr = 'kurd.', name = 'Kurdsky jezyk', locative = 'na kurdskom', } -- Filipinsky languages['ph'] = { abbr = 'fil.', name = 'Filipinsky jezyk', locative = 'na filipinskom', } -- Tamilsky languages['ta'] = { italic = false, abbr = 'tam.', name = 'Tamilsky jezyk', locative = 'na tamilskom', } -- Tajsky languages['th'] = { italic = false, abbr = 'taj.', name = 'Tajsky jezyk', locative = 'na tajskom', } -- Tajsky (Latinica) languages['th-latn'] = { abbr = 'taj. lat.', name = 'Tajsky jezyk (latinica)', locative = 'na tajskom (latinica)', } -- Bengaljsky languages['bn'] = { abbr = 'beng.', name = 'Bengaljsky jezyk', locative = 'na bengaljskom', } -- Pašto languages['ps'] = { abbr = 'paš.', name = 'Jezyk Pašto', locative = 'na paštunskom', } -- Dari languages['prs'] = { abbr = 'prs.', name = 'Jezyk Dari', locative = 'na persidskom dari', } -- Hausa languages['ha'] = { abbr = 'hau.', name = 'Jezyk Hausa', locative = 'na hausa', } -- Yoruba languages['yo'] = { abbr = 'yor.', name = 'Jezyk Joruba', locative = 'na joruba', } -- Igbo languages['ig'] = { abbr = 'igb.', name = 'Jezyk Igbo', locative = 'na igbo', } -- Guarani languages['gn'] = { abbr = 'guar.', name = 'Jezyk Guarani', locative = 'na guarani', } -- Ajmara languages['ay'] = { abbr = 'ajmara', name = 'Jezyk Ajmara', locative = 'na ajmara', } -- Kitajsky languages['zh'] = { italic = false, abbr = 'kitajsky', name = 'Kitajsky jezyk', locative = 'na kitajskom', } -- Malajsky languages['ms'] = { abbr = 'malajsky', name = 'Malajsky jezyk', locative = 'na malajskom', } -- Prosty anglijsky languages['en-simple'] = { abbr = 'pr. angl.', name = 'Prosty anglijsky jezyk', locative = 'na prostom anglijskom', } -- Velssky jezyk languages['cy'] = { abbr = 'vels.', name = 'Velssky jezyk', locative = 'na velsskom', } -- Mansijsky jezyk languages['mns'] = { abbr = 'mans.', name = 'Mansijsky jezyk', locative = 'na mansijskom', } -- Mansijsky jezyk (latinica) languages['mns-latn'] = { abbr = 'mans.', name = 'Mansijsky jezyk', locative = 'na mansijskom', } -- Hantyjsky jezyk languages['kca'] = { abbr = 'hant.', name = 'Hantyjsky jezyk', locative = 'na hantyjskom', } -- Marijsky jezyk languages['chm'] = { abbr = 'mar.', name = 'Marijsky jezyk', locative = 'na marijskom', } -- Lukomarijsky jezyk languages['mhr'] = { abbr = 'lukomar.', name = 'Lukomarijsky jezyk', locative = 'na lukomarijskom', } -- Gornomarijsky jezyk languages['mrj'] = { abbr = 'gornomar.', name = 'Gornomarijsky jezyk', locative = 'na gornomarijskom', } -- Starojaponsky jezyk languages['ojp'] = { abbr = 'starojap.', name = 'Starojaponsky jezyk', locative = 'na starojaponskom', } -- Quenya languages['qya'] = { abbr = 'kv.', name = 'Kvenja', locative = 'na kvenji', } -- Drěvnoegyptsky jezyk languages['egy'] = { abbr = 'drěvnoeg.', name = 'Drěvnoegyptsky', locative = 'na drěvnoegyptskom', } return languages 8x04u8rwpqm5myidxjvncmcgbujkymw Šablon:Glavna/Dobry članok 10 157 28508 724 2026-07-10T13:25:47Z Minorax 40 28508 wikitext text/x-wiki <!-- Pri dodatku novogo zapisa jest potrěbno obnoviti čislo poslě «mod» --> {{#switch: {{#expr: {{CURRENTDAY}} mod 21 }} | #default | 21 = [[Fajl:Vynnychenko.jpg|180px|right|Vynnyčenko v 1910 g.]] {{Zvězdka}} '''[[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko|Volodymyr Kyrylovyč Vynnyčenko]]''' ([[Ukrajinsky jezyk|ukr.]] ''Володимир Кирилович Винниченко''; Veselyj Kut, Hersonska gubernija, [[Rosija|Rosijska imperija]], 16 (28) julija 1880 – Mužen, [[Francija]], 6 marca 1951) byl [[Ukrajina|ukrajinsky]] pisatelj, živopisec, političny aktivist, revolucionist i socialdemokratičny politik, ktory v lětah 1917–1919 igral veduču rolju v Ukrajinskoj narodnoj republikě. On byl prvy premier-ministr i vtory prezident nezavisnoj ukrajinskoj državy. Kromě togo, jest uvažany za jednogo iz glavnyh ukrajinskyh pisateljev 20. stolětja. On napisal kratke pověsti, romany i spektakly. V svojem tvorčestvu on pokazyvaje gluboku povezannost s ukrajinskym revolucijnym srědiščem, srěd obědnělyh ljudij, srěd ljudij iz rabotničjej klasy i srěd emigrantov iz Rosijskoj imperije živučih v Zapadnoj Evropě. Podle jegovyh literaturnyh tvorov osoblivo historično značenje imajut takože jegove memoary «Odrodženje nacije» ({{-|''Відродження нації''}}) napisane v 1920 g., v ktoryh opisyvaje sobytja lět 1917–1919, a takože jegove dnevniky iz lět 1911–1936. Někoje jegove pověsti sut ekranizovane. <div align=right>''[[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko|(Čitati&nbsp;dalje...)]]''</div> | 20 = {{{!}} width="190px" align=right style="margin-left:0.3em; margin-bottom:0.1em" {{!}} [[Fajl:Ruśkyj Kalendar dla tych, szczo ne znajut' ruśkoho pyśma (1910).jpg|190px|Ruśkyj Kalendar dla tych, szczo ne znajut' ruśkoho pyśma|link=[[Ukrajinska latinica]]]] {{!-}} {{!}} <small>Kalendar {{-|«Rusałka»}} ''za tyh, ktori ne znajut rutensko pismo''</small> {{!}}} {{Zvězdka}} '''[[Ukrajinska latinica]]''' ''({{-|українська латинка, українська латиниця}})'' jest variant [[Latinica|latinskogo alfabeta]], prisposobjeny za pisanje [[Ukrajinsky jezyk|ukrajinskogo jezyka]]. Osoblivo v Galiciji v 19. stolětju byli podimane proby za prěobračenje ukrajinskogo pravopisa v latinicu, medžu drugymi ukrajinskym naučnikom i svečennikom Josypom Lozynskym i češskym slavistom Josifom Jiračkom, ktore pričinili zavzete debaty i dvě tako nazyvajeme «Azbučne vojny». Podčas prvyh dvoh desetilětij [[Sovětsky Sojuz|Sovětskogo Sojuza]], v ktoryh vedena byla velika latinizacijna kampanija srěd menših jezykov [[Rosija|Rosije]], takože odbyvali se razgovory o vvedenju latinskogo pravopisa za ukrajinsky jezyk. V digitalnoj době pojavili se nove – seriozne i menje seriozne – prědloženja. Različaje se medžu ukrajinskoju latiniceju, prěznačenoju za samyh Ukrajincev, i [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka|latinizacijeju ukrajinskogo jezyka]], prěznačenoju za medžunarodnu upotrěbu ljudami, ktori ne znajut kirilicu. ''[[Ukrajinska latinica|(Čitati&nbsp;dalje...)]]'' | 19 = {{{!}} width="250px" align=right style="margin-left:0.3em; margin-bottom:0.1em" {{!}} [[Fajl:Map of Ukrainian dialects.png|250px|link=[[Ukrajinsky jezyk]]]] {{!-}} {{!}} <div class="center"><small>''Karta ukrajinskyh narěčij''</small></div> {{!}}} {{Zvězdka}} '''[[Ukrajinsky jezyk]]''' ({{-|''Українська мова''}}) jest narodny jezyk [[Ukrajinci|Ukrajincev]] i državny jezyk [[Ukrajina|Ukrajiny]]. Zajedno s [[Russky jezyk|russkym]], [[Bělorussky jezyk|bělorusskym]] i [[Rusinsky jezyk|rusinskym]] prinaleži [[Vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky|vozhodnoslovjanskym jezykam]], ktore sut čest slovjanskoj větvy [[Indoevropejske jezyky|indoevropejskoj jezyčnoj rodiny]]. Ukrajinsky imaje medžunarodne jezyčne kody <tt>'''{{-|uk}}'''</tt> ({{-|[[ISO 639-1]]}}) i <tt>'''{{-|ukr}}'''</tt> ({{-|[[ISO 639-2]]}} i {{-|[[ISO 639-3]]}}). Ukrajinsky jest rodny jezyk ponad 27 milionov ljudij, iz ktoryh 25 milionov živut v Ukrajině. Kromě togo, ok. 5,8 milionov ljudij imajut ukrajinsky kako drugy jezyk. Boljšest nositeljev ukrajinskogo nahodi se v Ukrajině. Suglasno prěpisu naseljenja 2001 g. ukrajinsky jest rodny jezyk za 67,87&nbsp;% (prěvažno v sěverozapadnoj česti kraja), a russky za 29,74&nbsp;% gradžanov Ukrajiny (prěvažno v jugovozhodnoj česti). Kogda Ukrajina v 1991 g. stala nezavisna, ukrajinsky byl uznany jedinym služebnym jezykom državy. Jednakože v praktikě russky postojanno zajmaje važno město v vsakodnevnom žitju česti Ukrajiny. Pravdopodobno skoro 90 % ukrajinskogo naseljenja vladaje oboma jezykami na priličnom uravnju. Mimohodom, u česti rosijskogo naseljenja ješče prěvažaje ubědženje, že ukrajinsky ne jest jezyk, ale russko narěčje. V poslědstvu jezyčno dělo jest silno obrěmenjeno politikoju. ''[[Ukrajinsky jezyk|(Čitati&nbsp;dalje...)]]'' | 18 = [[Fajl:Stamp of Ukraine s1837 – 1847.jpg | 240px | right | Ukrajinske poštne marky (2020)]] {{Zvězdka}} '''[[Ukrajinska azbuka]]''' ({{-|абетка, збука, алфавіт}} ili {{-|альфабет}}) jest oficialno pismo koristajemo za pisanje [[Ukrajinsky jezyk|ukrajinskogo jezyka]], služebnogo jezyka [[Ukrajina|Ukrajiny]]. Ona jest jedna iz različnyh narodnyh variantov [[Kirilica|Kirilice]] i proizhodi od staroslovjanskoj kirilice, stvorjenoj v 9. stolětju za prvy kniževny [[Slovjanske jezyky|slovjansky]] jezyk, [[Starocrkovnoslovjansky jezyk|starocrkovnoslovjansky]]. Od 10. stolětja kirilica byla koristana v [[Kyjevska Rus|Kyjevskoj Rusi]] za pisanje [[starovozhodnoslovjansky jezyk|starovozhodnoslovjanskogo jezyka]], iz ktorogo pozdněje razvili se [[Russky jezyk|russky]], [[Bělorussky jezyk|bělorussky]], [[Ukrajinsky jezyk|ukrajinsky]] i [[Rusinsky jezyk|rusinsky]] jezyky i jih azbuky. Prěd 20. stolětju ukrajinsky jezyk ješče ne iměl standardny pravopis: v lětah od 1798 do 1905 byli prědložene skoro 50 pravopisne sistemy. Toliko v 1928 došlo k prvomu objedinjenomu ukrajinskomu pravopisu (''skrypnykivka''). Sučasna ukrajinska azbuka imaje vsego 33 bukvy: 21 suglasky, 1 polusamoglasku, 10 samoglasky i 1 mekky znak. Poněkogda takože vključaje se apostrof ('''’'''), ktory imaje fonetično značenje, ale ačekoli pisanje jego jest obvezno, on ne uvažaje se bukvoju i ne jest vključeny v azbuku – v protivnosti k russkomu tvrdomu znaku '''{{-|ъ}}''', ktory izpolnjaje podobnu funkciju. ''[[Ukrajinska azbuka|(Čitati&nbsp;dalje...)]]'' | 17 = {{{!}} width="200px" align=right style="margin-left:0.3em; margin-bottom:0.1em" {{!}} [[Fajl:The Sun by the Atmospheric Imaging Assembly of NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory - 20100819.jpg|200px|link=[[Solnce]]]] {{!-}} {{!}} <small>''Fotografija Solnca v uslovnyh kolorah, izobražajučih jego v ultrafioletovom světlu''</small> {{!}}} {{Zvězdka}} '''[[Solnce]]''' jest [[zvězda]] v centru Solnečnoj sistemy. Ono jest běloju zvězdoju, ktora davaje različne tipy energije, kako sut infračrvena energija (teplo), světlo, ultrafioletovo světlo i radiovolny. Solnce izdavaje potok čestic, ktory dosegaje Zemje kako "solnečny větr". Iztočnikom vsej toj energije jest jedrna fuzija (sinteza). Jedrna fuzija jest reakcija v zvězdě, ktora obračaje [[vodorod]] v helij i iztvorjaje ogromnu kolikost energije. Solnce jest skoro doskonaloju kuljeju gorečej plazmy. Solnce sdavaje se žoltym za ljudij na [[Zemja|Zemje]], ale ono jest napravdu bělo. Tak se stane zatože vozduh vokrug Zemji razsějivaje solnečno světlo. Sinja i zelena barva v solnečnom světlu razprostirajut se vyše, než črvena i žolta barvy. Vslěd tomu světlo, ktoro dosegaje naših očij jest glavno črveno i žolto, i zato Solnce sdavaje se žoltym. Ako byhmo byli v kosmosu, kde ne jest vozduh na razsějivanje světla, my byhmo viděli, že Solnce napravdu jest bělo. Solnce jest podobnoju zvězdoju do mnogyh ostalyh zvězd v našej [[Galaktika|galaktikě]] Mlěčny put. Solnce odnosi se k tipu zvězd {{-|G2V}}, nazyvanyh takože {{-|G-type main-sequence star}} ili žolty karlik, na osnově jih spektralnoj klasy. ''[[Solnce|(Čitati&nbsp;dalje...)]]'' | 16 = [[Fajl:Pericles Pio-Clementino Inv269 n2.jpg|140px|right|Perikl]] {{Zvězdka}} '''Perikl''' (Περικλῆς) byl [[Atiny|atinsky]] državnik, jedin iz otcev-osnovateljev atinskoj demokracije, znamenity govoritelj i vojenny načelnik. Perikl urodil se v Atinah v rodině aristokratov. Načel aktivnu političnu dějateljnost, počevši rukovoditi političnoju partijeju Alkmeonidov. Bez obzira na svoje aristokratično proizhodženje, on izstupal kako poslědovatelj demokracije. Poslě izgnanja Tukidida v 444 Perikl de-fakto stal vodžem Atin. Epoha vlady Perikla takože byla epohoju najvysšego razcvěta Atin (Periklov věk). V 431. godu prěd rodženjem Hristosa počela se [[Peloponesska vojna]]. V 429 godu umrl. Ime ''Perikl'', ktoro znači ''okruženy slavoju'', bylo rědkym v Atinah i ne spominaje se u bližnyh prědkov i srodnikov Perikla. Historik Igor Jevgenjevič Surikov prědpolagaje, že ime Perikla proizhodi od imeni Periklimen. Ovako, Ksantip i Agarista nazyvali syna po imeni legendarnogo Periklimena. ''[[Perikl|(Čitati&nbsp;dalje...)]]'' | 15 = {{{!}} width="250px" align=right style="margin-left:0.3em; margin-bottom:0.1em" {{!}} [[Fajl:VictoryOLord.JPG|245px|link=[[Mojsej]]]] {{!-}} {{!}} <small>''Obraz «Poběda, o, Bože!» (1871) Džona Evereta Mile izobražaje Mojseja s paloju v rukah.''</small> {{!}}} {{Zvězdka}} '''[[Mojsej]]''' je byl hebrejskym prorokom, učiteljem i liderom podolg [[Abrahamičske religije|abrahamičskoj]] tradicije. On slyne samym važnym prorokom v [[judaizm]]ě i samaritanizmě, a takož jednym iz samyh važnyh prorokov v [[Hristijanstvo|hristijanstvě]], [[islam]]ě, věrě Bahaji i drugyh abrahamičskyh religijah. Podolg Biblije i Koranu, Mojsej je byl vodžem izraeljcev i zakonodateljem, ktoromu pripisyvaje se proročsko stvorjenje Tory (prvyh peti knig Biblije). Podolg 2. knigě Mojseja, Mojsej urodil se v tamtoj čas, kogda jego narod, izraeljci, porabovano menšinstvo, povyšal svoju čislnost, i v rezultatu egiptsky faraon je ostrěgal se, že oni mogut sjediniti se s vragami Egipta. Hebrejska mati Mojseja, Johebeda, tajno je skryla jego, kogda faraon prikazal ubivati vsih novonarodženyh hebrejskyh mladčikov, da by smenšiti čislnost izraeljcev. Prěz dočeru faraona děte je bylo adoptovano kak neznajemo děte iz Nila i rastlo v kraljevskoj rodině. Poslě ubijstva egiptskogo rabovlastnika, izbivavšego hebreja, Mojsej uběgl prěz Črveno morje v Madian, kde on je sustrětl se s angelom Božjim, ktory govoril s njim iz gorečego kusta na gorě Horeb, ktoru on mněl Goroju Božjeju. Bog odpravil Mojseja nazad v Egipt, da by požedati osvobodženje izraeljcev iz rabstva. Poslě Deseti kar Mojsej vozglavil Izhod iz Egipta prěz Črveno morje, poslě čego oni stanuli u gory Sinaj, kde Mojsej polučil Deset zapovědij. Poslě 40 godov putovanja v pustynje Mojsej umrěl na gorě Nebo v vozrastu 120 godov, v ograničenjah vidimosti Zemje Oběčivanoj. ''[[Mojsej|(Čitati&nbsp;dalje...)]]'' | 14 = [[Fajl:MaxStirner2.svg|200px|right|Maks Štirner]] {{Zvězdka}} '''Maks Štirner''' ([[Němečsky jezyk|něm.]] ''{{-|Max Stirner}}''), ime pri rodženju '''Johann Kaspar Šmidt''' (něm. {{-|''Johann Caspar Schmidt''}}; 25 oktobra 1806, Bajrojt, [[Němcija]] - 25 junija 1856, Berlin, Němcija) byl němečsky [[Filozofija|filozof]]. Štirner često vidi se kako jedin iz prědteč nihilizma, egzistencializma, psihoanalitičnoj teorije, postmodernizma i individualističnogo anarhizma. Glavna tvorba Štirnera, ''Jedinstveny i Jego Vlastničstvo'', byla vprvo opublikovana v 1844 v Lejpcigu i odtogda pojavila se vo množstvah izdanij i prěkladov. Prězvišče "Štirner" od němečkogo {{-|''Stirn''}} – "čelo", Johann Kaspar Šmidt dobyl od prijateljev za svoje vysoko čelo. Poslědstveno tak jego sut zvali v krugu drugov i prijateljev, a tako že on počel podpisyvati svoje pečetne tvorby. Oskudne fakty ob životu Maksa Štirnera je sobral Džon Henri Makkej i opublikoval v ''{{-|Max Stirner. Sein Leben und sein Werk}}'', tretje izdanje, Berlin, 1914. ''[[Maks Štirner|(Čitati&nbsp;dalje...)]]'' | 13 = [[Fajl:Levko Revutsky.jpg|200px|right|Levko Revutskyj]] {{Zvězdka}} '''[[Levko Revuckyj|Lev (Levko) Mykolajovyč Revuckyj]]''' ([[Ukrajinsky jezyk|''ukr.'']] Лев (Левко) Миколайович Ревуцький) (Iržavec, Poltavska gubernija, [[Rosija|Rosijska imperija]], 8 (20) fevruara 1889 g. – [[Kyjev|Kyjiv]], [[Ukrajina|USSR]], [[Sovětsky Sojuz]], 30 marca 1977 g.) byl [[Ukrajina|ukrajinsky]] kompozitor, pedagog i člen Narodnoj akademije nauk Ukrajiny v časah [[Sovětsky Sojuz|Sovětskogo Sojuza]]. Zajedno s [[Borys Ljatošynskyj|Borysom Ljatošynskym]] jest uvažany jednym iz glavnym i najvlivnějših ukrajinskyh kompozitorov 20. stolětja. V jegovyh tvorah ukrajinske teksty i motivy igrajut važnu rolju. Revuckyj kreativnym sposobom prodolžal i razširil metody ukrajinskyh kompozitorov kako [[Mykola Lysenko]] i [[Mykola Leontovyč]], ktore harakterizujut se slivanjem folklornyh elementov s harmoničnym mysljenjem konca 19. stolětja. Jegov stilj iztvoril se na osnově glubinnogo znanja narodnyh tem i melodij, ktore prěobražal v tradicijah profesionalnoj muziky i vozbogačal vlastnymi stilističnymi nahodkami. Revuckyno tvorčestvo harakterizuje se lirikoju, bogatostju emocij i sodržanymi, ekspresivnymi melodijami, svezanymi s složenymi harmonijami. On poslužival se velikymi muzičnymi formami, napr. v fortepiannoj sonatě, dvoh fortepiannyh koncertov, dvoh simfonij i kantatě «Hustyna», ale takože napisal menše tvory, napr. preludije za fortepiano, tvory za skripku ili violončelo s fortepianom i veče neželi 120 prětvorok narodnyh pěsnij napr. za glas i fortepiano, v ktoryh najmě fortepianne partije sut interesne. Jegove simfonične tvory, osoblivo Fortepianny koncert nr. 2 i Simfonija nr. 2, pričisljajut se k majstrovskym dělam ukrajinskoj klasičnoj muziky. ''[[Levko Revuckyj|(Čitati&nbsp;dalje...)]]'' | 12 = {{{!}} width="200px" align=right style="margin-left:0.3em; margin-bottom:0.1em;" {{!}} [[Fajl:Вулиці_Львова_(транслітерація).jpg|195px]] {{!-}} {{!}} <small>''Tabličky s nazvami ulic v Ljvovu: kromě [[Kirilica|kirilice]] koristaje se takože latinizacija, po državnom standardu.''</small> {{!}}} {{Zvězdka}} '''Latinizacija''' (poněkogda takože '''romanizacija''') znači prědstavjenje teksta napisanogo nelatinskym pismom s pomočju [[Latinica|latinskogo alfabeta]]. [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] imaje vlastnu [[Ukrajinska azbuka|kiriličsku azbuku]], ktora v někojih obzirah odličaje se od [[Russky jezyk|russkoj]]. Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka imaje kako glavny cělj, že čitatelji, ktori ne znajut [[Kirilica|kirilicu]], budut poznati, kako izgovarjajut se ukrajinske slova, imena i nazvy. Ona takože može služiti za pisanje ukrajinskogo teksta na kompjuterah, ktore ne umějut pokazyvati kirilicu, i za pisanje ljudami neosvojenymi s razkladom ukrajinskoj klaviatury. Jest razlika medžu ''[[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka|latinizacijeju ukrajinskogo jezyka]]'' i ''[[Ukrajinska latinica|ukrajinskoju latiniceju]]''. Latinizacija v principu jest prěznačeny za ljudi, ktori ne znajut ukrajinsky ili vo vsakom slučaju ne znajut ukrajinsku azbuku, a ukrajinska latinica jest prědloženje zaměnjenja kiriličskogo pravopisa latinskym, najčestěje osnovanym na pravopisah [[Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky|zapadnoslovjanskyh jezykov]]. Sut dvě glavne metody latinizacije: transliteracija (prědstavjenje pisanogo teksta, često ignorujuči izgovor) i transkripcija (prědstavjenje govorjenogo teksta). V praktikě mnoge sistemy vključajut elementy oboh metod. Mimohodom, vo vsakodnevnoj upotrěbě te dva terminy često sut zaměšane. ''[[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka|(Čitati&nbsp;dalje...)]]'' | 11 = {{{!}} width="160px" align=right style="margin-left:0.5em; margin-bottom:0.5em;" {{!}} [[Fajl:A plus bi.svg|155px]] {{!-}} {{!}} <small>''Kompleksno čislo može byti prědstavjenym vizualno tako.''</small> {{!}}} {{Zvězdka}} '''[[Kompleksno čislo|Kompleksnym čislom]]''' v [[Matematika|matematikě]] nazyvaje se čislo, koje se zapisyvaje v formě <math>a+bi</math>, kde čislo <math>a</math> rěče se ''pravdiva čest'', čislo <math>b</math> rěče se ''izmysljeny koeficijent'', a <math>i</math> nazyvaje se ''izmysljenoju jediniceju''. Ktorokoli pravdivo čislo, vozvyšeno v kvadrat, da neodrěčny rezultat. Slědovateljno, ravnjenje<br> <math>x^2=-1</math>, abo <math>x^2+1=0</math><br> ne imaje pravdivyh rěšenij. Jednakže, ono ima dva izmysljene rěšenja, <math>\pm i</math>. Izmysljena jedinica <math>i</math> časom oprěděljaje se kako kvadratny korenj iz minus jedinice. Kompleksne čisla, pravdiva čest ktoryh jest nulova, nazyvajut se ''izmysljenymi čislami''. Pravdive čisla sut kompleksne čisla, izmysljena čest ktoryh jest nulova. Slědovateljno, množina pravdivyh čisel jest vlastna podmnožina kompleksnyh čisl. Čislo <math>0</math> (nula) jest jedino čislo, iže jest v tom samom vrěmenu pravdivo i kompleksno (i izmysljeno). ''[[Kompleksno čislo|(Čitati&nbsp;dalje...)]]'' | 10 = [[Fajl:Я. Кругер. Партрэт Я. Купалы.jpg|220px|right|Јанка Купалы (портрет Ј. Кругера)]] {{Zvězdka}} '''[[Јанка Купала]]''', правдиво име јест '''Иван (Јан) Доминикович Луцевич''' (25 јунија (чрвња) / 7 јулија (липња) 1882), фолварк Вјазынка, нынє Младєчскы рајон, Минска област — 28 јунија (чрвња) 1942, [[Москва]]. Јест [[бєлорус]]скы поет, драматург, публицист, прєводитељ, једин из основатељев новој бєлорусској литературы и литературного језыка. Народны поет Бєлоруси (1925). Академик Националној академије наук Бєлоруси (1928), Националној академије наук Украјины (1929). Изобразил характер и свєторазумєнје бєлорусского народа, изтворил јарке образы сељанского быта и хисторичној минулости. Жанрово-стилистичне формы, кторе сут вплочене јим, стали класичными основами бєлорусској поезије, епоса, драматургије и публицистикы. Јавјаје се творитељем патриотичного воззванја «Жыве Беларусь!». В поздных творбах доминује тема возславјенја совєтској реалности. [[Јанка Купала|''(Читати&nbsp;даље...)'']] | 9 = [[Fajl:Bust Alcibiades Musei Capitolini MC1160.jpg|120px|right|Alkibiad]] {{Zvězdka}} '''[[Alkibiad]]''' (Ἀλκιβιάδης) byl davnogrečsky [[Atiny|atinsky]] državnik, govoritelj i vojenny načelnik epohy [[Peloponesska vojna|Peloponesskoj vojny]]. Urodil se v aristokratičnoj rodině, a dorastl v domu [[Perikl]]a, glavnika atinskogo polisa. Svoju aktivnu političnu dějateljnost počel, izstupivši protivnikom Nikijeva mira i obnovjenja vojennyh dějanij protiv Spartě. Stavši strategom, on naglo izměnil vněšnju politiku Atin. V 418 godu do n.e. on sozdal novu antispartansku koaliciju, ktora razpadla se poslě poražky v bitvě pri Mantinejě. Alkibiad byl iniciatorom Sicilijskoj ekspedicije, ktora byla takože napravjena protiv Spartě i jej sojuznikov. Odpravjeny v 415 godu do n.e. s flotoju na Siciliju, on byl odzvan v Atiny dlja težby. Ostrěgavši se za svoje žitje, Alkibiad prěšel na stranu Sparty. V otčině on byl osudženy. Alkibiad dal spartancam několiko cěnnyh sovětov, ktore Sparta izkoristala i ktore trohu ne privedli k polnoj poražkě Atin v vojně. Alkibad nabyl veliky avtoritet v Spartě, i něktore zavistniki nakazali jego ubiti. Alkibiad uběgl k persijskomu satrapu Tissafernu, i poslě s jego pomočju pribyl na Samos, kde bazovala se atinska flota. Morjaki izbrali jego strategom. S 411 goda do n.e. počinaje se serija poběd Alkibiada, v rezultatu ktoroj prěvaga v Peloponesskoj vojně byla na straně Atin. Vrativši se v otčinu v 407 godu do n.e., on byl izbrany strategom-avtokratorom. Poslě poražky atinskoj floty v času jego odsutnosti on byl prinudženy odpraviti se v izgnanje. V 404 godu do n.e., poslě pobědy Sparty v Peloponesskoj vojně, on byl ubity po prikazu [[Kritij]]a i Lisandra, ktori mněli jego kako opasnogo političnogo supernika. [[Alkibiad|''(Čitati dalje...)'']] | 8 = [[Fajl:Phase change - isv.png|220 px|right|Glavne fazove transformacije, imajuči se v prirodě]] {{Zvězdka}} Sut četyri glavne '''[[Agregatno stanje|agregatne stanja]]''' materije (fazy) vo [[Vsesvět]]u: tvrdo tělo, tekutina, gaz i plazma. Agregatno stanje vlivaje na svojstva substancije. Priměrami takyh svojstv budut gustota, teglivost (kak dobro ona teče), kovnost (kak legko jest ju sgybati) ili provodnost. Prěměny medžu agregatnymi stanjami sut često obratime. V ''tvrdom stanju'' pozicije atomov sut zakrěpjene odnosno jedna drugoj podčas dolgogo vrěmene. Tak to jest blagodare koheziji ili "trěnju" medžu molekulami. V ''tekutině'' molekuly pritegajut se jedna ko drugoj dost silno, da by medžu njimi byl kontakt, ale ne dost silno, da by konkretna struktura trimala se. Molekuly mogut bezprěryvno dvigati se odnosno sebe. V ''gazu'' hemične svezy ne sut dost silne da by zadržali atomy vměstu, i zato gaz jest sbirkoju nezavisnyh, nesvezanyh molekul, ktore vzajemodějstvujut glavno črěz natolkanje se. ''Plazmy'' sut gazy, ktore imajut toliko energije, že elektrony atomov ne mogut ostavati se na orbitah vokrug atomnyh jedr. Atomne iony i elektrony měšajut se vkupě kako goreča supa. Plazma jest najrazprostranjenym stanjem materije vo Vsesvětu. I [[Zvězda|zvězdy]], i medžuzvězdna srěda sut glavno stvorjene iz plazmy. ''[[Agregatno stanje|(Čitati članok...)]]'' | 7 = {{{!}} width="150px" align=right {{!}} [[Fajl:Т-55 (Верхняя Пышма).jpg|270px|link=Т-55]] {{!-}} {{!}} <small><center>Tank '''[[T-55]]''' v Vrhnej Pyšmě, Rosija</center></small> {{!}}} {{Zvězdka}} '''[[T-55]]''' jest [[Sovětsky sojuz|sovětsky]] srědnji tank. T-55 jest bazovany na tanku T-54. Tank proizvodili od 1958 do 1979 roka. T-55 jest prvy serijny tank v světu, ktory byl orudovany avtomatičnoju sistemoju protivojedrnoj zaščity (PAZ) - jedna od prvyh bojevyh mašin novoj generacije, ktore mogut bojevati v uslovjah upotrěbjenja jedrnogo oružja. Stal prvym tankom v vojskah, imajučim kompleks aktivnoj zaščity (KAZ «Drozd»). T-55 i jego modifikacija T-55a byli široko eksportujemymi i tutčas sut v oruženju mnogyh držav světa. ''[[Т-55|Čitati članok]]'' | 6 = {{{!}} width="270px" align=right {{!}} [[Fajl:Shtokavian subdialects1988 incl Slovenia.png|270px|link=Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]] {{!-}} {{!}} <small><center>''Izgovory '''[[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk|srbskohrvatskogo jezyka]]''' v 20. stolětju''</center></small> {{!}}} {{Zvězdka}} '''[[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk|Srboskohrvatsky jezyk]]''', takože ''hrvatskosrbsky'' i ''srbohrvatsky'', jest [[Južnoslovjanske jezyky|južnoslovjansky jezyk]], ktory jest osnovny jezyk v [[Bosnija i Hercegovina|Bosniji i Hercegovině]], [[Črna Gora|Črnoj Gorě]], [[Hrvatija|Hrvatiji]] i [[Srbija|Srbiji]]. Srbskohrvatsky jest mnogocentričny jezyk s 4 vzajemno razumlivymi kniževnymi standardami: [[Srbsky jezyk|srbsky]], [[Hrvatsky jezyk|hrvatsky]], [[Bosnijsky jezyk|bosnijsky]] i [[Črnogorsky jezyk|črnogorsky]]. Početkom jezyčnoj standardizacije srbskohrvatskogo byla srědina 19. stolětja, kogdy hrvatski i srbski pisatelji i filologi podpisali Viensky kniževny dogovor, do stvorjeńja jednoj državy Jugoslavija. S samogo početka jestvovali razne srbsky i hrvatsky standardy, jednako obadva byli osnovane na jednom narěčju štokavskogo, iztočnohercegovinskom narěčju. Bosnijsky i črnogorsky standardy srbskohrvatskogo počeli jestvovati poslě razpada Jugoslavije. Srbskohrvatsky jezyk mogut pisati kako [[Latinica|latiniceju]], tako i [[Kirilica|kiriliceju]], ktore jesut ravnolike 1:1. Srbskohrvatsku kirilicu stvoril v 1814 roku srbsky jezykoznavec Vuk Karadžić. Srbskohrvatsku latinicu stvoril hrvatsky jezykoznavec Ljudevit Gaj v 1830. godah na osnově češskogo alfabeta. ''[[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk|Čitati članok]]'' | 5 = {{{!}} width="140px" align=right {{!}} [[Fajl:Emilia Plater.PNG|150px|link=Emilija Pljater]] {{!-}} {{!}} <small>''[[Emilija Pljater]], bezimenna gravirovka 19. stoletja''</small> {{!}}} {{Zvězdka}} '''[[Emilija Pljater]]''' byla šljahtica i učestnica Novembrskogo povstanja. Dorasla v pomestje Liksna Dinaburgskogo ujezda Vitebskoj gubernije. Podčas Novembrskogo povstanja vela malu grupu povstancev, učestovala v nekolikih bitvah i byla avansovana do reda kapitanki v revolucijnoj armiji. V konce povstanja ona zabolěla i prěstavila se v pomestju poljskogo šljahtiča. Ona jest narodna heroina [[Bělorus]]i, [[Litva|Litvy]] i [[Poljska|Poljsky]], bylyh čestej Reči Pospolitoj. <div align=right>''[[Emilija Pljater|Čitati članok...]]''</div> | 4 = {{{!}} width="150px" align=right {{!}} [[Fajl:Flag of Europe.svg|150px|link=Evropejsky sojuz]] {{!-}} {{!}} <small>Horugva '''[[Evropejsky sojuz|Evropejskogo sojuza]]''', znajema kako horugva Evropy</small> {{!}}} {{Zvězdka}} '''[[Evropejsky sojuz]]''' ili ''Evropejska unija'' jest političny i ekonomičny sojuz 27 držav, ktore glavno nahodet se v [[Evropa|Evropě]]. Jej državy-členy imajut spolnu površinu v 4,233,255.3 km² i ocěnočno naseljeńje v 447 milionov. Državy ES izrabotali obči vnutrny trg črěz ustroj zakonov po redu věčij, ktore dějut vo vsih členah. V česti ES, ktoru zovut [[Šengensky prostor]], ne jest pasportnyh kontrol dlja putovanij. Valutny sojuz medžu državami ES jestvuje s 1999 roka i skladaje se iz 19 držav, ktore koristajut jednu valutu — [[evro]]. ES i evropejsko gradžanstvo byli počete, kogda Maastrihtsky dogovor pristupil do sily v 1993 roku. ES proizhodi od Evropejskoj občiny vuglja i stalji, ktora byla osnovana Parižskym dogovorom 1951 roka, i Evropejskoj ekonomičnoj občiny, ktora byla osnovana Rimskym dogovorom 1957 roka. Prvonačelnymi členami «Evropejskyh občin» stali 6 držav: [[Belgija]], [[Francija]], [[Italija]], [[Luksemburg]], [[Niderlandy]] i Zapadna Němcija. «Občiny» i jih nastupniky izrasli v razměru črěz pristupjeńje novyh členov i v silě črěz dodavańje oblastij politiky v svoje voditeljstvo. [[Objedinjeno kraljevstvo]] stalo prvoju državoju, ktora vyšla iz sostava ES 31 januara 2020 roka. <div align=right>''[[Evropejsky sojuz|(Čitati članok...)]]''</div> | 3 = {{{!}} width="200px" align=right style="margin-left:0.3em;" {{!}} [[Fajl:Maulwurfminiatur grinsend - Moltwerper smiling.jpg|180px|link=Krtek]] {{!-}} {{!}} <small><center>''Mala igračka '''[[Krtek]]a'''''</center></small> {{!}}} {{Zvězdka}} '''[[Krtek|«Krtek»]]''' («Krot») jest [[Čehija|češsky]] rysovany serial hudožnika Zdeněka Milera. Glavny heroj seriala jest rysovany krot Krtek, ktory često ne osiljaje člověčji svět i izkušaje različne slučaje so svojimi drugami-životinami. Prvy kratky film «Krteka» byl izpuščeny v 1957 roku, poslědnji — v 2002 roku. Poslě smrti Milera jego vnučka Karolina Milerova dopustila stvorjeńje novogo kitajskočešskogo seriala s Krtekom, «Krtek i Panda». <div align=right>''[[Krtek|(Čitati članok...)]]''</div> | 2 = {{{!}} width="180px" align=right style="margin-left:0.3em;" {{!}} [[Fajl:Russkiy iazyk Azbuka Burtsov.svg|180px|link=Русскы језык]] {{!-}} {{!}} <small><center>Napis '''[[Русскы језык|«russky jezyk»]]''' iz knigy-azbuky Burcova, 1637 rok.</center></small> {{!}}} {{Zvězdka}} '''[[Русскы језык|Russky jezyk]]''' jest [[Slovjanske jezyky|slovjansky jezyk]], čest [[Vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky|iztočnoslovjanskoj]] větvy slovjanskyh jezykov [[Indoevropejske jezyky|indoevropejskoj jezykovoj rodiny]], narodny jezyk rusov. Jest jedin iz najvyše koristanyh jezykov světa: 6. po občemu čislu govoriteljev i 8. po čislu govoriteljev, ktori vladajut jim ako rodnym. Russky jest takože najvyše koristany [[Slovjanske jezyky|slovjansky jezyk]] i najvyše koristany jezyk [[Evropa|Evropy]] ako geografično, tako i po čislu govoriteljev jezyka kako rodnogo. Russky jezyk jest državny jezyk [[Rosija|Rosije]], jedin iz državnyh jezykov [[Bělorus]]i, jedin iz služebnyh jezykov [[Kazahstan]]a i Kyrgyzstana. Jest glavny jezyk medžunarodnogo dorazuměvanja v centralnoj Evraziji, v iztočnoj Evropě i v državah bylogo [[Sovětsky sojuz|Sovětskogo sojuza]], jedin iz 6 rabotnyh jezykov Organizacije sjedinjenyh narodov, Unesko i reda inyh medžunarodnyh organizacij. Čislo govoriteljev russkogo jezyka v Rosiji jest 137.5 milionov ljudij, vsěgo v světu na russkom govoret okolo 260 milionov ljudij. ''[[Русскы језык|Čitati članok]]'' | 1 = {{{!}} width="180px" align=right style="margin-left:0.3em;" {{!}} [[Fajl:Wojtek the bear.jpg|180px|link=Vojtek (medvěd)]] {{!-}} {{!}} <small><center>[[Vojtek (medvěd)|Vojtek]] (napravo) s poljskym vojinom v 1943 roku</center></small> {{!}}} {{Zvězdka}} '''[[Vojtek (medvěd)|Vojtek]]''' byl sirijsky [[Medvěd koričnevy|koričnevy medvěd]], ktory byl kupjeny kako medvědže na želězničnoj stanciji v Hamadanu ([[Iran]]) vojinami poljskogo Drugogo korpusa, ktori byli evakuovani iz [[Sovětsky Sojuz|Sovětskogo sojuza]]. Da by dostati jemu jedu i transport, jego pozdněje oficialjno verbovali kako vojina s redom rednika, i potom naprědovali do korporala. On suprovadžal boljšest poljskogo Drugogo korpusa do Italije i služil v 22. kompaniji artilerijskoj dostavky. Poslě bitvy v Monte-Kasinu v 1944 roku, Vojtek pomagal prěměščati krabky i amuniciju i stal znamenitostju, posěčajuči generalov i državnikov sojuznikov. Poslě vojny, on byl izvoljneny iz poljskogo vojska i žil ostatok žitja v Edinburgskom zoologičnom parku v Škotskě. <div align=right>''[[Vojtek (medvěd)|(Čitati članok...)]]''</div> }}<noinclude> {{Dokumentacija | tekst = «Dobry članok» na glavnoj stranicě. Pokazyvaje novy članok iz čisla dostupnyh každy denj zaležno od čisla člankov. Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB). Spis dobryh člankov: * [[Vojtek (medvěd)]] * [[Русскы језык]] * [[Krtek]] * [[Evropejsky sojuz]] * [[Emilija Pljater]] * [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]] * [[Т-55]] {{Glavna}} }} 33yeetfpeygv9h48herzkat1kh4kzqv Šablon:Kartka aluminij 10 208 28516 28476 2026-07-10T16:48:56Z Ilja isv 10 28516 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka element |engvar= |name =aluminium |number =13 |Z =13 |symbol =Al |alt name= |abundance= |abundance in earth's crust= |abundance in oceans= |abundance in solar system= |left=[[magnezij]] |right=[[kremnij]] |above=[[bor|B]] |below=[[galij|Ga]] |appearance=Srěbristo-sěry metal |image name=[[Fajl:Aluminium-4.jpg|center|300px|Kus aluminija, 2.6 g, 1 × 2 {{-|c}}m.]] |electrons per shell=2, 8, 3 |phase= |phase comment= |density= 2.699&nbsp;g/{{-|c}}m<sup>3</sup><ref name="Arblaster 2018" /> |density conditions=(pri&nbsp;20&nbsp;°{{-|C}}) |density gplstp= |density gpcm3nrt= |density gpcm3nrt 2= |density gpcm3mp=2.375 |melting point K=933.47 |melting point C=660.32 |melting point F=1220.58 |boiling point K=2743 |boiling point ref=<ref>{{Cite journal |doi= 10.1021/je1011086 |title=Corrected Values for Boiling Points and Enthalpies of Vaporization of Elements in Handbooks |url=https://www.researchgate.net/publication/231538496 |last1=Zhang |first1=Yiming |last2=Evans |first2=Julian R. 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Bez obzira na to, Dejvi je često spominaje se kako člověk, ktory prvy dal ime elementu. On izmyslil je ime "''{{-|alumium}}''" ješče v lětu 1808. Druge avtory ne prijemali sut tojtu nazvu a izbrali sut "''{{-|аluminium}}''“. 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Bez obzira na to, Dejvi je često spominaje se kako člověk, ktory prvy dal ime elementu. On izmyslil je ime "''{{-|alumium}}''" ješče v lětu 1808. Druge avtory ne prijemali sut tojtu nazvu a izbrali sut "''{{-|аluminium}}''“. 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'''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:{{{1|}}}|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</div> <includeonly>[[Kategorija:Do odstranjenja]]</includeonly><noinclude> === Objasnjenje šablona === Tutym šablonom vy možete prědložiti někoju stranicu za odstranjenje, ako mnite, že ona ne povinna jest nahoditi se v medžuslovjanskoj Vikipediji.<br />Možne pričiny za odstranjenje sut napriklad: # Spam # Vandalizm # Narušenje privatnosti # Narušenje avtorskyh prav # Nonsens # Eksperimentovanje # Članok jest napisany na drugom jezyku # Prěliha kakost # Dvojna stranica === Koristanje šablona === Za uměščenje šablona, vpišite na vrhu danoj stranice: <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti}}</nowiki></code> Ako vy hočete dodati argumentaciju, vpišite: <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|<vaša argumentacija>}}</nowiki></code>, napriklad: <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Spam}}</nowiki></code>. Zaměsto teksta <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|...}}</nowiki></code>, vy takože možete koristati alternativne nazvy šablona: <code><nowiki>{{Udaliti|...}}</nowiki></code>, <code><nowiki>{{Delecija|...}}</nowiki></code>, <code><nowiki>{{Delete|...}}</nowiki></code>, a takože kiriliceju: <code><nowiki>{{Одстранити|...}}</nowiki></code>, <code><nowiki>{{Удалити|...}}</nowiki></code>, <code><nowiki>{{Делеција|...}}</nowiki></code> Šablon avtomatično uměščaje danu stranicu v [[:Category:Do odstranjenja|kategoriju stranic, ktore trěba odstraniti]]. 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(''[[Shahadah]]'') | national_anthem = {{Lang|ps|دا د باتورانو کور}}<br />{{-|"Dā Də Bātorāno Kor"}}<br />"To jest dom odvažnyh"<ref>{{Cite news |last=Tharoor |first=Ishaan |date=19 June 2013 |title=The Taliban's Qatar Office: Are Prospects for Peace Already Doomed? |magazine=[[Time (magazine)|Time]] |url=https://world.time.com/2013/06/19/the-talibans-qatar-office-are-prospects-for-peace-already-doomed/ |access-date=19 August 2021 |issn=0040-781X |archive-date=19 August 2021 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210819021327/https://world.time.com/2013/06/19/the-talibans-qatar-office-are-prospects-for-peace-already-doomed/ |url-status=live }}</ref> | image_map = {{Switcher|[[Fajl:Afghanistan (orthographic projection).svg|upright=1.15|frameless]]|Show globe|[[Fajl:Afghanistan - Location Map (2013) - AFG - UNOCHA.svg|upright=1.15|frameless]]|Show map of Afghanistan}} | capital = [[Kabul]] | coordinates = {{Coord|34|31|N|69|11|E|region:AF_source:geonames|display=inline,title}} | largest_city = [[Kabul]] | official_languages = [[Jeyzk Pašto|Pašto]] • [[Jezyk Dari|Dari]] | ethnic_groups = {{Unbulleted list | 42% [[Pashtun]] | 27% [[Tajiks|Tajik]] | {{Figure space}}9% [[Hazaras|Hazara]] | {{Figure space}}9% [[Uzbeks|Uzbek]] | {{Figure space}}4% [[Aimaq people|Aimaq]] | {{Figure space}}3% [[Turkmen people|Turkmen]] | {{Figure space}}2% [[Baloch people|Baloch]] | {{Figure space}}4% [[Ethnic groups in Afghanistan|other]] }} | ethnic_groups_ref = {{Efn|The last census in Afghanistan was conducted in 1979, and was itself incomplete. Due to the [[Afghan conflict|ongoing conflict]] in the country, no official census has been conducted since.<ref name="Population Matters" />}}<ref name="reliefweb.int">{{Cite web |url=https://reliefweb.int/report/afghanistan/afghan-ethnic-groups-brief-investigation |via=ReliefWeb |publisher= NATO CFC |title=Afghan Ethnic Groups: A Brief Investigation |date=14 August 2011 |access-date=18 September 2021 |archive-date=18 September 2021 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210918053054/https://reliefweb.int/report/afghanistan/afghan-ethnic-groups-brief-investigation |url-status=live }}</ref> | ethnic_groups_year = 2010 unofficial estimates | religion = {{Tree list}} * 99.9% [[Islam in Afghanistan|Islam]] ** 89.1% [[Sunni Islam|Sunni]] ([[State religion|official]])<ref>{{Cite web |title=Afghanistan Country focus |url=https://coi.euaa.europa.eu/administration/easo/PLib/2022_01_EASO_COI_Report_Afghanistan_Country_focus.pdf |publisher=[[European Union Agency for Asylum]] |access-date=22 February 2025 |date=January 2022}}</ref><ref>{{Cite news |last1=Kawa |first1=Amin |title=Taliban's Opposition to Islamic Sects; Nadeem: "All Afghans Are Followers of the Hanafi Denomination" |url=https://8am.media/eng/talibans-opposition-to-islamic-sects-nadeem-all-afghans-are-followers-of-the-hanafi-denomination/ |access-date=22 February 2025 |work=Hasht e Subh Daily |date=18 December 2023}}</ref><ref>{{Cite news |last1=Siddique |first1=Abubakar |last2=Khosrow |first2=Mansour |title=Afghanistan's Shi'ite Minority Suffers 'Systematic Discrimination' Under Taliban Rule |url=https://www.rferl.org/a/afghanistan-taliban-shiite-persecution-discrimination/32507042.html |access-date=22 February 2025 |work=[[Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty]] |date=17 July 2023}}</ref> ** 10.8% [[Shia Islam in Afghanistan|Shia]] * 0.1% [[Religion in Afghanistan|other]] {{Tree list/end}} | religion_ref = <ref>{{Cite web |title=Afghanistan |url=https://www.thearda.com/world-religion/national-profiles?u=1c |access-date=9 February 2025 |website=[[The Association of Religion Data Archives]] |language=en-gb}}</ref> | demonym = [[Afghans|Afghan]]{{Efn|Other demonyms that have been used are Afghani,<ref>Dictionary.com. [[The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language]], Fourth Edition. Houghton Mifflin Company, 2004. [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/afghani Reference.com] {{Webarchive|url=https://web.archive.org/web/20160303185738/http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/afghani |date=3 March 2016 }} (Retrieved 13 November 2007).</ref> Afghanese and Afghanistani (see [[Afghans]] for further details)<ref>Dictionary.com. [[WordNet]] 3.0. [[Princeton University]]. [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/afghanistani Reference.com] (Retrieved 13 November 2007). {{Webarchive |url=https://web.archive.org/web/20140328102257/http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/afghanistani |date=28 March 2014}}</ref>|name="Demonym"|group="Note"}}<ref>{{Cite web|title=Constitution of Afghanistan|url=https://www.afghanembassy.us/about-afghanistan/constitution/|year=2004|access-date=16 February 2013|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20160920112856/http://www.afghanembassy.us/about-afghanistan/constitution/|archive-date=20 September 2016|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{Cite book |title=Afghan {{!}} meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary |publisher=the Cambridge English Dictionary |isbn=9781107660151 |url=https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/afghan |access-date=27 March 2020 |archive-date=3 March 2021 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210303180827/https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/afghan |url-status=live }}</ref> | government_type = [[Unitarna država|Unitarny]] totalitarny<ref> *{{Cite journal |last1=Sakhi |first1=Nilofar |title=The Taliban Takeover in Afghanistan and Security Paradox |journal=[[Journal of Asian Security and International Affairs]] |date=December 2022 |volume=9 |issue=3 |pages=383–401 |doi=10.1177/23477970221130882 |quote=Afghanistan is now controlled by a militant group that operates out of a totalitarian ideology. |issn = 2347-7970}} *{{Cite web |last1=Madadi |first1=Sayed |title=Dysfunctional centralization and growing fragility under Taliban rule |url=https://www.mei.edu/publications/dysfunctional-centralization-and-growing-fragility-under-taliban-rule |website=[[Middle East Institute]] |access-date=28 November 2022 |date=6 September 2022 |quote=In other words, the centralized political and governance institutions of the former republic were unaccountable enough that they now comfortably accommodate the totalitarian objectives of the Taliban without giving the people any chance to resist peacefully. |archive-date=28 November 2022 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20221128205909/https://www.mei.edu/publications/dysfunctional-centralization-and-growing-fragility-under-taliban-rule |url-status=live }} *{{Cite web |last1=Sadr |first1=Omar |title=Afghanistan's Public Intellectuals Fail to Denounce the Taliban |url=https://www.fairobserver.com/region/central_south_asia/omar-sadr-afghanistan-taliban-rule-totalitarianism-human-rights-news-2441/ |website=Fair Observer |access-date=28 November 2022 |date=23 March 2022 |quote=The Taliban government currently installed in Afghanistan is not simply another dictatorship. By all standards, it is a totalitarian regime. |archive-date=23 March 2022 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20220323115118/https://www.fairobserver.com/region/central_south_asia/omar-sadr-afghanistan-taliban-rule-totalitarianism-human-rights-news-2441/ |url-status=live }} *{{Cite web |title=Dismantlement of the Taliban regime is the only way forward for Afghanistan |url=https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/southasiasource/dismantlement-of-the-taliban-regime-is-the-only-way-forward-for-afghanistan/ |website=[[Atlantic Council]] |access-date=28 November 2022 |date=8 September 2022 |quote=As with any other ideological movement, the Taliban's Islamic government is transformative and totalitarian in nature. |archive-date=28 November 2022 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20221128205911/https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/southasiasource/dismantlement-of-the-taliban-regime-is-the-only-way-forward-for-afghanistan/ |url-status=live }} *{{Cite web |last=Akbari |first=Farkhondeh |title=The Risks Facing Hazaras in Taliban-ruled Afghanistan |url=https://extremism.gwu.edu/risks-facing-hazaras-taliban-ruled-afghanistan |website=[[George Washington University]] |access-date=28 November 2022 |date=7 March 2022 |quote=In the Taliban's totalitarian Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, there is no meaningful political inclusivity or representation for Hazaras at any level. |archive-date=14 January 2023 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20230114164914/https://extremism.gwu.edu/risks-facing-hazaras-taliban-ruled-afghanistan |url-status=dead }}</ref> [[Teocratičny|teokratičny]] [[Islam]]sky [[emirat]]<!--Non-monarchical emirate--><ref> *{{Cite news |last=Bezhan |first=Frud |title=Key Figures In The Taliban's New Theocratic Government |url=https://gandhara.rferl.org/a/afghanistan-taliban-government-figures/31448372.html |access-date=6 February 2022 |work=[[Radio Farda]] |publisher=[[Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty]] |date=7 September 2021 |archive-date=6 February 2022 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20220206103928/https://gandhara.rferl.org/a/afghanistan-taliban-government-figures/31448372.html |url-status=live }} *{{Cite news |last=George |first=Susannah |title=Inside the Taliban campaign to forge a religious emirate |url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2023/afghanistan-taliban-islamic-law-rights/ |access-date=19 February 2023 |newspaper=[[The Washington Post]] |date=18 February 2023 |archive-date=18 February 2023 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20230218082415/https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2023/afghanistan-taliban-islamic-law-rights/ |url-status=live }}</ref> | leader_title1 = [[Supreme Leader of Afghanistan|Supreme Leader]] | leader_name1 = {{Nowrap|[[Hibatullah Akhundzada]]}} | leader_title2 = [[Prime Minister of Afghanistan|Prime Minister]] | leader_name2 = [[Hasan Akhund]] ([[Acting prime minister|acting]]) | leader_title3 = [[Chief Justice of Afghanistan|Chief Justice]] | leader_name3 = [[Abdul Hakim Haqqani]] | legislature = None{{Efn|Afghanistan is a pure [[autocracy]], with all law ultimately originating from the supreme leader. Consensus rule was initially used among the Taliban, but was phased out as the supreme leader monopolized control in the months following the 2021 return to power.<ref>{{Cite web |author1=T. S. Tirumurti |title=Letter dated 25 May 2022 from the Chair of the Security Council Committee established pursuant to resolution 1988 (2011) addressed to the President of the Security Council |url=https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/3975071/files/S_2022_419-EN.pdf?ln=en |publisher=[[United Nations Security Council]] |access-date=2 May 2023 |date=26 May 2022}}</ref><ref>{{Cite news |last1=Kraemer |first1=Thomas |title=Afghanistan dispatch: Taliban leaders issue new orders on law-making process, enforcement of court orders from previous government |url=https://www.jurist.org/news/2022/11/afghanistan-dispatch-taliban-leaders-issue-new-orders-on-law-making-process-enforcement-of-court-orders-from-previous-government/ |access-date=1 May 2023 |work=[[JURIST]] |date=27 November 2022 |archive-date=17 January 2024 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240117233605/https://www.jurist.org/news/2022/11/afghanistan-dispatch-taliban-leaders-issue-new-orders-on-law-making-process-enforcement-of-court-orders-from-previous-government/ |url-status=live }}</ref><ref>{{Cite news |last1=Dawi |first1=Akmal |title=Unseen Taliban Leader Wields Godlike Powers in Afghanistan |url=https://www.voanews.com/a/unseen-taliban-leader-wields-godlike-powers-in-afghanistan-/7026112.html |access-date=1 May 2023 |publisher=[[Voice of America]] |date=28 March 2023 |archive-date=13 April 2023 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20230413041049/https://www.voanews.com/a/unseen-taliban-leader-wields-godlike-powers-in-afghanistan-/7026112.html |url-status=live }}</ref> There is an advisory [[Leadership Council of Afghanistan|Leadership Council]], however its role is in question as the supreme leader has not convened it for many months ({{As of|lc=y|2023|03|post=),}} and increasingly rules by decree.<ref>{{Cite journal |author1=Oxford Analytica |author1-link=Oxford Analytica |title=Senior Afghan Taliban figures move to curb leader |journal=Expert Briefings |series=Emerald Expert Briefings |date=10 March 2023 |volume=oxan-db |issue=oxan-db |doi=10.1108/OXAN-DB276639 |quote=[Akhundzada] has not convened the Taliban's Leadership Council (a 'politburo' of top leaders and commanders) for several months. Instead, he relies on the narrower Kandahar Council of Clerics for legal advice.}}</ref>}} | sovereignty_type = [[History of Afghanistan|Formation]] | established_event1 = [[Hotak dynasty|Hotak Emirate]] | established_date1 = 21 April 1709 | established_event2 = {{Nowrap|[[Durrani Empire]]}} | established_date2 = June 1747 | established_event3 = [[Emirate of Afghanistan|Barakzai Emirate]] | established_date3 = 1823 | established_event4 = [[Dost Mohammad Khan|Dost Mohammad unites Afghanistan]] | established_date4 = [[Herat campaign of 1862–1863|27 May 1863]] | established_event5 = [[Third Anglo-Afghan War|Independence]] | established_date5 = [[Afghan Independence Day|19 August 1919]] | established_event6 = [[Kingdom of Afghanistan|Kingdom]] | established_date6 = 9 June 1926 | established_event7 = [[Republic of Afghanistan (1973–1978)|Republic]] | established_date7 = [[1973 Afghan coup d'état|17 July 1973]] | established_event8 = [[Democratic Republic of Afghanistan|Democratic Republic]] | established_date8 = [[Saur Revolution|27–28 April 1978]] | established_event9 = [[Islamic State of Afghanistan|Islamic State]] | established_date9 = 28 April 1992 | established_event10 = [[Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan (1996–2001)|Islamic Emirate]] | established_date10 = 27 September 1996 | established_event11 = {{Nowrap|[[Islamic Republic of Afghanistan|Islamic Republic]]}} | established_date11 = 26 January 2004 | established_event12 = [[Fall of Kabul (2021)|Restoration of Islamic Emirate]] | established_date12 = 15 August 2021 | area_km2 = 652,867<ref>Central Statistics Office Afghanistan</ref> | area_rank = 40 | area_sq_mi = 252,072 | percent_water = negligible | population_estimate = 36–50 milionov | population_estimate_year = Jul 2024 | population_estimate_rank = 36 | population_density_km2 = {{#expr: 42045000/652867 round 0}} | population_density_sq_mi = {{#expr: 42045000/252072 round 0}} | population_density_rank = | GDP_PPP = {{Increase}} $91.668&nbsp;billion<ref name="IMFWEO.AF">{{Cite web |url=https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WEO/weo-database/2024/October/weo-report?c=512,&s=NGDPD,PPPGDP,NGDPDPC,PPPPC,&sy=2022&ey=2029&ssm=0&scsm=1&scc=0&ssd=1&ssc=0&sic=0&sort=country&ds=.&br=1 |title=World Economic Outlook Database, October 2024 Edition. (Afghanistan) |publisher=[[International Monetary Fund]] |website=www.imf.org |date=22 October 2024 |access-date=27 December 2024}}</ref> | GDP_PPP_year = 2023 | GDP_PPP_rank = | GDP_PPP_per_capita = {{Increase}} $2,174<ref name="IMFWEO.AF"/> | GDP_PPP_per_capita_rank = 179 | GDP_nominal = {{Increase}} $17.329&nbsp;billion<ref name="IMFWEO.AF"/> | GDP_nominal_year = 2023 | GDP_nominal_rank = | GDP_nominal_per_capita = {{Increase}} $411<ref name="IMFWEO.AF"/> | GDP_nominal_per_capita_rank = 190 | HDI = 0.496<!-- number only --> | HDI_year = 2023<!-- Please use the year to which the data refers, not the publication year --> | HDI_change = increase<!-- increase/decrease/steady --> | HDI_ref = <ref name="HDI">{{Cite web|url=https://hdr.undp.org/system/files/documents/global-report-document/hdr2025reporten.pdf|title=Human Development Report 2025 |publisher=[[United Nations Development Programme]]|date=2025|access-date=11 May 2025|url-status=live}}</ref> | HDI_rank = 181 | currency = [[Afgan afghani|Afgani]] ({{Lang|prs|افغانى}}) | currency_code = AFN | time_zone = [[čas Afghanistana]] | utc_offset = +4:30<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.timeanddate.com/time/time-zones-interesting.html|title=Half Hour and 45-Minute Time Zones|website=timeanddate.com|access-date=23 December 2022|archive-date=15 February 2016|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20160215203607/https://www.timeanddate.com/time/time-zones-interesting.html|url-status=live}}</ref><br />[[lunny kalendar Hidžri]]<ref>{{Cite news |date=26 March 2022 |title=Taliban Changes Solar Year to Hijri Lunar Calendar |url=https://8am.af/eng/taliban-changes-solar-year-to-hijri-lunar-calendar/ |access-date=4 September 2022 |work=Hasht-e Subh Daily |url-status=dead |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20220904224713/https://8am.af/eng/taliban-changes-solar-year-to-hijri-lunar-calendar/ |archive-date=4 September 2022}}</ref> | drives_on = right | cctld = [[.af|.af]] | religion_year = 2020 | today = }} '''Afganistan''', služebno '''Islamsky Emirat Afganistan''' jest [[država]] v Aziji. Graniči s [[Pakistan]]om na jugu i iztoku (granica s [[India|Indijeju]] jest sporna), [[Iran]]om na zapadu, [[Turkmenistan]]om, [[Uzbekistan]]om i [[Tadžikistan]]om na sěveru, i [[Kitaj]]em v dalekom sěveroiztoku.<ref name="cia">{{Cite web |url=https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/af.html |title=Afghanistan |work=CIA - The World Factbook |accessdate=30 August 2011 |archive-date=9 July 2016 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20160709035637/https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/af.html |url-status=dead }}</ref> [[Kabul]] jest [[Stolica|glavnym gradom]]. Afganistanom aktualno vladaje [[Taliban]], vslěd kolapsa medžunarodno uznanoj Islamskoj republiky Afganistan 15 avgusta 2021. V stare časy, ljudi sut prohodili črez Afganistan s životnymi i drugim tovarom, dakle on sjedinjaje [[Kitaj]] i [[Indija|Indiju]] s [[Centralna Azija|Centralnoju Azijeju]] i [[Blizky vostok|Blizkim izhodom]]. V pozdějši časy, Afganistan byl stresenny od mnogyh lět vojn. Ne jest mnogo rabotnyh měst v njem. Država imaje priblizno 652,226 km² povrhnji. V Afganistanu sut 40.976 milionov judij. V Pakistanu i Iranu sut okolo 3 milionov Afganskyh bežencov, ktore museli opustiti krajinu. Na 2011 g. [[Kabul]] iměl priblizbo 3,691,400 obyvateljev.<ref name="cso.gov.af">{{Cite web |url=http://cso.gov.af/Content/files/2-2.pdf |title=Settled Population by Province |access-date=2012-06-30 |archive-date=2016-04-29 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20160429231515/http://cso.gov.af/Content/files/2-2.pdf |url-status=dead }}</ref> == Zemjepis == [[Fajl:Black Hawk flying over a valley in Bamyan.jpg|left|thumb|Zasněžene gory Koh-i-Baba v provinciji Bamjan Afganistana]] Afganistan imaje mnogo [[Gory|gor]]. Gory nazyvajut se [[Hindu Kuš]] i [[Himalaje]]. Najvysšeju goroju v Afganistanu jest [[Nošak|Gora Nošak]]. Imaje [[Ravnina|ravniny]] (s glinoju, godnnoju za izrastanje rastlin) i [[podgorje]]. Čest krajiny jest takože suhoju, osoblivo [[pustynja Registan]]. Afganistan imaje sněg i [[lednik]]y v gorah. Rěka [[Amudarja|Amu Darja]] jest veliky vodny potok. ==Linky i referencije== {{Iztočniky}} ==Vnešnje linky== * ''Tuty članok sodrživaje prěklad iz članka {{-|«[[:simple:Afghanistan|Afghanistan]]»}} v Vikipediji na prostom anglijskom ([https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Afghanistan&action=history spis avtorov]; dozvoljeńje [[ccorg:licenses/by-sa/4.0/|{{-|CC BY-SA 4.0}}]]).' {{Državy v Aziji}} [[Kategorija:Državy v Aziji]] {{INTERWIKI|Q889}} 0m6eguy9rqt7ks4n09e36a7jl0g8x0c Aleksej Arhipovsky 0 601 28482 3474 2026-07-10T13:15:55Z Minorax 40 28482 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka osoba | honorific_prefix = | name = Aleksej Arhipovsky | honorific_suffix = | image =[[Fajl:Alexey Arkhipovsky 1890 (cropped).jpg|center|300px|thumb|Balalaječnik Aleksej Arhipovsky na koncertu v {{-|Togliatti|Тољјати}}]] | image_size = | alt = | caption = Aleksej Arhipovsky | native_name = <div class="center">{{Jezyky|ru|Алексей Витальевич Архиповский}}</div> | native_name_lang = Алексей Витальевич Архипоовский | pronunciation = | birth_name = | birth_date = {{Birth date|1967|05|15|df=yes}} | birth_place = [[Tuapse]] | death_date = | death_place = | death_cause = | body_discovered = | resting_place = | resting_place_coordinates = | monuments = | residence = | other_names = | citizenship = | education = | alma_mater = | occupation = kompozitor, instrumentalist ([[balalajka]]) | years_active = | employer = | organization = | agent = | known_for = | works = | style = [[russka muzika]], <br> [[narodna muzika]], <br> [[džaz]], <br> [[klasična muzika]] | home_town = | salary = | net_worth = | height = <!-- {{height|m=}} --> | weight = <!-- {{convert|weight in kg|kg|lb}} --> | television = | title = | term = | predecessor = | successor = | party = | movement = | opponents = | boards = | criminal_charge = <!-- Criminality parameters should be supported with citations from reliable sources --> | criminal_penalty = | criminal_status = | spouse = Světlana Aleksandrovna, direktor i zvukovy režiser muzikanta<ref name=":0" />, i takože jego glavna pomočnica | partner = | children = syn Ilja Aleksejevič | parents = otec - Vitalij Aleksejevič, elektrogazosvarjatelj<ref name=":0">{{Cite web|ref=artbeat|author=Дмитрий Филатов|title=Гений трёх струн|url=http://artbeat.ru/2011/11/08/genij-trex-strun/|date=2011-11-08|work=Art-Beat Music|access-date=2017-06-10|archive-date=2017-09-06|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20170906224018/http://artbeat.ru/2011/11/08/genij-trex-strun/|url-status=live}}</ref>, mati - Ljubov Iljinična, učitelka hemije i biologije<ref name=":1" /> | relatives = | callsign = | awards = | website = {{-|[http://www.arkhipovskiy.com www.arkhipovskiy.com/]}} | module = | module2 = | module3 = | module4 = | module5 = | module6 = | signature = | signature_size = | signature_alt = | footnotes = | box_width = }} '''Aleksej Vitaljevič Arhipovsky''' ({{Jezyky|ru|Алексе́й Вита́льевич Архипо́вский}}, (rod. 15 maja 1967 goda v [[Tuapse]], [[RSFSR]], [[SSSR]]) — sovětsky i rosijsky muzikant i kompozitor, [[Balallajka|balalaječnik]]-[[virtuoz]]. == Životopis == Rodil se v lětu 1967 v Tuapse, v rodině majstra-svarjatelja i učiteljky hemije<ref name=":1">{{Cite web|url=https://www.1tv.ru/shows/poka-vse-doma/vypuski/v-gostyah-u-alekseya-arhipovskogo-poka-vse-doma-vypusk-ot-26-07-2009|title=Передача Первого канала "Пока все дома" с Алексеем Архиповским}}</ref>. V tutom gradu absolvoval 8 klas občej školy i [[Muzikalna škola|muzikalnu školu]] vo klasě [[Balalajka|balalajky]], počel koncertovati i od 15 lět samostojno se prěvezl do Moskvy<ref name=":1" />. Tam postupil i učil se v [[Državno muzikalno učilišče imeni Gněsinyh|Državnom muzikalnom učilišču imeni Gněsinyh]] (oddělěnje narodnyh instrumentov), potom služil v armiji, a po vozvračenju prodolžil učenje se<ref name=":1" /> vo klasě [[Valerij Zažigin|Valerija Evgenjeviča Zažigina]]. V lětu 1985 stal se lavreatom tretego Vsesojuznogo konkursa igrateljev na narodnyh instrumentah. [[Fajl:Alexey Arkhipovsky 1622.jpg|thumb|left|300px|Koncert v {{-|Togliatti|Тољјати}} , 2014]] Od 1989 goda jest žil s rodinoju bliz Smolěnska<ref name=":1" /> i rabotal kako solist v Smolěnskom russkom narodnom orkestru pod dirigovanjem V. P. Dubrovskogo. V lětu 1998 byl pozvanym do [[Ansambl "Rosija"|Državnogo akademičnogo russkogo narodnogo ansambla "Rosija"]] pod voditeljstvom [[Ljudmila Georgijevna Zykina|L. Zykinoj]]. V lětah 2002—2003 počinaje solo karieru, surabotaje s Centrom [[Stas Namin|Stasa Namina]]. Od 2003 goda jest učestnikom ruha "Etnosfera", festivala «[[Festival Mamakabo|Mamakabo]]», ktore prezentovali sučasnu russku muziku, aka ne vhodila v tradicijny format. V lětah 2007—2009 učestvuje v projektu [[Dmitrij Malikov|Dmitrija Malikova]] "Pianomanija", igraje pri otvorjenju [[Medžunarodny kinofestival "Zerkalo"|Prvogo medžunarodnogo kinofestivala "Zerkalo" imeni Andreja Tarkovskogo]] v [[Ivanovo]]m, otvarjaje [[Eurovision 2009|{{-|Eurovision '2009}}]] i [[Olimpijske igry 2010 v Vankuveru]] v Russkom domu. Kako solist, učestvoval v festivalah rosijskoj kultury, ktore konali v [[Sjedinjene štaty Ameriky|SŠA]], [[Kitaj]]u, [[Južna Koreja|Južnoj Koreji]], [[Němcija|Němciji]], [[Francija|Franciji]], [[Španija|Španiji]], [[Bulgarija|Bulgariji]], v džazovyh festivalah v Rosiji i zagraničju. Igral jest vo mnogyh radio i televizijnyh šou, na vladnyh koncertah i samitah. V nedavnyh lětah koncertuje v Rosiji i susědnyh državah. V lětu 2009 byl izpuščen {{-|[[DVD]]}}, vključajuči snimanje koncerta, besědu s muzikantom, odzyvy, bonusy i knižku-vložku s fotografijami iz koncerta. == Osoblivosti igranja i instrumenty == Arhipovsky demonstruje unikalno vladanje tehnikoju igranja ''[[Flageolet|{{-|flageoletami|флажолетами}}]]'', priměnjae mnoge strunne tehniky kako ''tremolo'', ''drob'' i ''{{-|pizzicato|пицикато}}'' ne v jejih akademičnom obliku, ale v směšivanju so staroju školoju i vlastnymi metodami. Na početku 2000-h Arhipovsky počel zamysljati na usiljenje zvučnosti instrumenta<ref name=":2">{{Cite web|url=https://yandex.ru/video/preview/14941177211153872495|title=Главная роль. Алексей Архиповский. Телеканал "Культура", эфир от 08.04.2015}}</ref>. On se obratil ko svojim znajomym gitaristam i pozajel od njih taky sposob izlepšenja akustiky, kako koristanje elektroničnyh devajsov za obrabotanje i usiljenje zvuka. K njim zvuk se dostavaje električno od [[Zvukosnimatelj (muzika)|zvukosnimatelja]], ktory nahodi se na balalajkě. S tutogo gledišča Arhipovskogo jest možlivo nazvati roditeljem elektrobalalajky, ale on sam ne ljubi taku formulaciju i staraje se podtisknuti umětno zvučanje. Od 2007 do 2017 lět Arhipovsky koristal balalajku, sdělanu v lětu 1928 vidnym majstrom Josifom Ignatjevičom Galinisom (1882—1942)<ref>{{Cite web| title = К 125 летию со дня рождения И.И. Галиниса (1882-1942)| url = https://balalaika-master.ru/festival/V/accost3/}}</ref>, ktoru on jest naslědoval od P. I. Nečiporenka po jego smrti. To uže jest vtory instrumement tutogo majstra, na ktorom igraje muzikant. V 2017 godu Arhipovsky jest dostal pisanje, vo ktorom govorilo se, že v Němcije na aukcionu jest izstavjeny instrument od lěta 1902, izrabjeny nedolgo prěd svojeju smrtju «russkym Stradivarijem»<ref name=":2" /> [[Semjonom Ivanovičom Nalimovym]] v sělu Marjinu kde on i [[Vasilij Vasiljevič Andrejev]] prigotovjali se stvarjati [[Velikorussky orkestr V. V. Andrejeva|Velikorussky Orkestr]]. Arhipovsky jest kupil tutu balalajku i vozvratil ju do Rosije. On jest nazval tuty instrument Nalim (imenovati instrumenty jest razprostranjena tradicija medžu muzikantami) i od srědiny 2017 goda igraje na tutoj balalajkě. Jej deka jest sdělana iz [[Jela|jely]], pancyr jest povlačeny lakom, sdělanym podlě izgubjenoj metody. Kako izpovědaje sam muzikant, "tute instrumenty sut brati, ale sut sovršenno različni". Arhipovsky stalo nahodi se v iskanju idealno zvučečigo instrumenta, ktory by mogl zaglušiti digitalizaciju zvuka pri koristanju usilitelja. On jest v těsnom kontaktu so vsemi znamenitymi majstrami balalajky, [[Gitara|gitary]] i akustiky v Rosiji, i regularno kontaktuje německogo gitarnogo majstra. == Rodina == Otec — Vitalij Aleksejevič, elektrogazosvarjatelj<ref name=":0">{{Cite web|ref=artbeat|author=Дмитрий Филатов|title=Гений трёх струн|url=http://artbeat.ru/2011/11/08/genij-trex-strun/|date=2011-11-08|work=Art-Beat Music|access-date=2017-06-10|archive-date=2017-09-06|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20170906224018/http://artbeat.ru/2011/11/08/genij-trex-strun/|url-status=live}}</ref>, majstr-učitel mladyh rabotnikov. V 1960 godu zakončil Leningradsky industrialny tehnikum, pracoval kako inžener-tehnolog na zavodu za remontovanje korabov, igral v orkestru akordeonistov i bajanistov. Mati — Ljubov Iljinična, učitelka hemije i biologije. V 1959 godu zakončila Uralsky državny pedagogičny institut imeni A. S. Puškina.<ref name=":1" /> Žena — Světlana Aleksandrovna, direktor i zvukovy režiser muzikanta<ref name=":0" />, takože jego glavna pomočnica. Syn — Ilja.<ref name=":1" /> == Zrite takože == * [http://www.arkhipovskiy.com/ Сайт Алексея Архиповского] * [https://web.archive.org/web/20160920081148/http://www.etnosfera.su/%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8/%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%B9-%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%85%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9/ Проект «Этносфера» с участием Алексея Архиповского] * {{Cite AV media| title = Arhipovsky na {{-|YouTube}}|url = https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Архиповский}} * [http://www.idemvgorod.ru/prm/concerts/aleksej-arxipovskij.html Алексей Архиповский] == Linky i referencije == {{Iztočniky}} == Vnješnje linky == {{Prěvod|ru|Архиповский, Алексей Витальевич}} [[Kategorija:Kompozitori i muzikanti]] [[Kategorija:Muzika]] {{INTERWIKI|Q3248500}} n3hfmrutvxq63eriiqot51gy1djbydv Bangladeš 0 685 28501 4440 2026-07-10T13:23:32Z Minorax 40 28501 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=June 2025}} {{Kartka država | native_name = <center>{{Jezyky|bn|গণপ্রজাতন্ত্রী বাংলাদেশ}}<br />{{-|{{Small|Gônoprodžatontri Bangladeš}}}} | conventional_long_name = Narodna republika Bangladeš | common_name = Bangladeš | image_flag = Flag of Bangladesh.svg | image_coat = National_emblem_of_Bangladesh.svg | symbol_type = Gerb | national_motto = [[Nationalism]], [[secularism]], [[socialism]], and [[democracy]] | legislature = [[Jatiya Sangsad]] | national_anthem = ''{{-|[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amar_Sonar_Bangla Amar Sonar Bangla]}}''<small><br />''Moj Zlaty Bengal''</small><br /> [[Fajl:Amar Sonar Bangla - official vocal music of the National anthem of Bangladesh.ogg|center]] | image_map = Bangladesh in its region.svg | official_languages = [[Bengaljsky jezyk|bengali]] | common_languages = [[Bengali language|Bengali]] (state language), [[English language|English]] | religion = [[Islam]] | ethnic_groups = 98% [[Bengali people|Bengali]]<br>2% other<ref name="CIA2011"/> | ethnic_groups_year = 1998 | demonym = [[Bangladešsky]] | capital = [[Dhaka]] | coordinates = {{Coord|23|42|N|90|21|E|type:city}} | largest_city = [[Dhaka]] | government_type = [[Unitarna država|Unitarna]] [[Parlamentarna sistema|parlamentska republika]]<ref name="constitution-V-1-66">{{Cite web|url= http://www.parliament.gov.bd/Constitution_English/index.htm | title = Constitution of Bangladesh| archive-url= https://web.archive.org/web/20120306083926/http://www.parliament.gov.bd/Constitution_English/index.htm |archive-date = 2010-08-28|access-date=2012-03-06 }}, {{-|Part V, Chapter 1, Article 66.}}</ref> | leader_title1 = [[President of Bangladesh|President]] | leader_name1 = [[Mohammed Shahabuddin]]<ref name="Pres">{{Cite web|title=Life Sketch of Mr. Md. Abdul Hamid|url=http://www.bangabhaban.gov.bd/Homes/president_sub_menu/1/2|publisher=Office of the President of Bangladesh|access-date=30 October 2016|archive-date=13 March 2016|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20160313041211/http://bangabhaban.gov.bd/homes/president_sub_menu/1/2|url-status=dead}}</ref> | leader_title2 = [[Chief Adviser of Bangladesh|Chief Adviser]] | leader_name2 = [[Muhammad Yunus]] | leader_title3 = [[Speaker of the Jatiya Sangsad|Speaker]] | leader_name3 = Vacant | leader_title4 = [[Chief Justice of Bangladesh|Chief Justice]] | leader_name4 = Syed Mahmud Hossain | sovereignty_type = [[History of Bangladesh|Independence]] | sovereignty_note = from [[Pakistan]] | established_event1 = [[Independence Day of Bangladesh|Declared]] | established_date1 = 26 March 1971 | established_event3 = Current constitution | established_date3 = 4 November 1972<ref name=CIA2011>{{Cite web|author=Central Intelligence Agency|title=Bangladesh|work=The World Factbook|publisher=Central Intelligence Agency|location=Langley, Virginia|year=2011|url=https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/bg.html|access-date=5 October 2011|archive-date=1 January 2021|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210101071339/https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/bg.html|url-status=dead}}</ref> | area_km2 = 148,460 | area_sq_mi = 55,049 <!--Don't remove per [[WP:MOSNUM]]--> | area_rank = 93 | percent_water = 6.4 | population_estimate = 166,368,149 | population_estimate_year = 2018 | population_estimate_rank = 8 | population_density_km2 = 964.42 | population_density_sq_mi = 2,497.4 | population_density_rank = 9th <sup>a</sup> | GDP_PPP_year = 2018 | GDP_PPP = $758 billion (29th)<ref name=imf2>{{Cite web|url=http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2011/01/weodata/weorept.aspx?pr.x=46&pr.y=7&sy=2008&ey=2011&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=513&s=NGDPD%2CNGDPDPC%2CPPPGDP%2CPPPPC%2CLP&grp=0&a= |title=Bangladesh|publisher=International Monetary Fund|access-date=20 April 2011}}</ref> | GDP_PPP_rank = | GDP_PPP_per_capita = $4,600<ref name=imf2/> | GDP_PPP_per_capita_rank = | GDP_nominal = $284.2 billion<ref name=imf2/> | GDP_nominal_rank = | GDP_nominal_year = 2018 | GDP_nominal_per_capita = $1,740<ref name=imf2/> | GDP_nominal_per_capita_rank = | Gini = 33.2 | Gini_ref = <ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2172.html|title=Distribution of family income – Gini index|work=The World Factbook|publisher=CIA|access-date=1 September 2009|archive-date=13 June 2007|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20070613005439/https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2172.html|url-status=dead}}</ref> | Gini_year = 2005 | HDI_year = 2018 <!-- Please use the year in which the HDI data refers to and not the publication year --> | HDI_change = increase | HDI_ref = <ref name="UN">{{Cite web|url=http://hdr.undp.org/en/media/HDR_2010_EN_Complete.pdf |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20101205181756/http://hdr.undp.org/en/media/HDR_2010_EN_Complete.pdf |title=Human Development Report 2018. Human development index trends: Table G|date=January 2010 |publisher=The United Nations|access-date=14 July 2018|archive-date=5 December 2010}}</ref> | HDI_rank = {{Ordinal|136}} | HDI = 0.603 | currency = [[Bangladeshi Taka|Taka]] | currency_code = BDT | time_zone = [[Bangladesh Standard Time|BST]] | utc_offset = +6 | drives_on = left | cctld = [[.bd|.bd]] | calling_code = +880 | footnote_a = {{Cite web |url=http://www.banbeis.gov.bd/bd_pro.htm |publisher=Bangladesh Bureau of Statistics |title=Population Census 2001, Preliminary Report |date=August 2001 |access-date=2012-04-04 |archive-date=2011-07-06 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20110706132048/http://www.banbeis.gov.bd/bd_pro.htm}} | official_website = [http://www.bangladesh.gov.bd/ Official website] }} '''Bangladeš''', služebno '''Narodna republika Bangladeš''', jes [[Država|državoju]] v [[Južna Azija|Južnoj Aziji]]. Jest osmoju najnaseljennejšeju državoju světa i jednoju iz največe gusto spakovanyh, kde vyše než 170 milionov ljudij živut na površině 148,460 km². Bangladeš imaje suhozemske granice s [[Indija|Indijeju]] na sěveru, zapadu i iztoku i so [[Mjanmar]]om na jugoiztoku. Na jugu imaje pribrěžje podolg [[Bengaljsky zaliv|Bengaljskogo zaliva]]. Na sěveru [[koridor Siliguri]] odděljaje Bangladeš od [[Butan]]a i [[Nepal]]a, a Indijsky štat [[Sikkim]] odděljaje jego od [[Kitaj]]a. [[Dhaka]] jest stoliceju i največšim gradom. Ona takože javjaje se centrom politiky, penezov i kultury. [[Čitagong]] jest vtorym največšim gradom i najoživjenym portom. Služebnym jezykom jest [[Bengaljsky jezyk|bengali]], oficialna i največša religija jest [[Islam]], a Bengalske muslimany skladajut največšu ljudsku skupinu v krajině. ==Linky i referencije== {{Iztočniky}} ==Vnešnje linky== * ''Tuty članok sodrživaje prěklad iz članka {{-|«[[:simple:Bangladesh|Bangladesh]]»}} v Vikipediji na prostom anglijskom ([https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bangladesh&action=history spis avtorov]; dozvoljeńje [[ccorg:licenses/by-sa/4.0/|{{-|CC BY-SA 4.0}}]]).'' {{Državy v Aziji}} [[Kategorija:Državy v Aziji]] {{INTERWIKI|Q902}} dpu037cobw3h0iyhkv4l75ika2n1ji1 28505 28501 2026-07-10T13:23:55Z Minorax 40 28505 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=June 2025}} {{Kartka država | native_name = <div class="center">{{Jezyky|bn|গণপ্রজাতন্ত্রী বাংলাদেশ}}<br />{{-|{{Small|Gônoprodžatontri Bangladeš}}}}</div> | conventional_long_name = Narodna republika Bangladeš | common_name = Bangladeš | image_flag = Flag of Bangladesh.svg | image_coat = National_emblem_of_Bangladesh.svg | symbol_type = Gerb | national_motto = [[Nationalism]], [[secularism]], [[socialism]], and [[democracy]] | legislature = [[Jatiya Sangsad]] | national_anthem = ''{{-|[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amar_Sonar_Bangla Amar Sonar Bangla]}}''<small><br />''Moj Zlaty Bengal''</small><br /> [[Fajl:Amar Sonar Bangla - official vocal music of the National anthem of Bangladesh.ogg|center]] | image_map = Bangladesh in its region.svg | official_languages = [[Bengaljsky jezyk|bengali]] | common_languages = [[Bengali language|Bengali]] (state language), [[English language|English]] | religion = [[Islam]] | ethnic_groups = 98% [[Bengali people|Bengali]]<br>2% other<ref name="CIA2011"/> | ethnic_groups_year = 1998 | demonym = [[Bangladešsky]] | capital = [[Dhaka]] | coordinates = {{Coord|23|42|N|90|21|E|type:city}} | largest_city = [[Dhaka]] | government_type = [[Unitarna država|Unitarna]] [[Parlamentarna sistema|parlamentska republika]]<ref name="constitution-V-1-66">{{Cite web|url= http://www.parliament.gov.bd/Constitution_English/index.htm | title = Constitution of Bangladesh| archive-url= https://web.archive.org/web/20120306083926/http://www.parliament.gov.bd/Constitution_English/index.htm |archive-date = 2010-08-28|access-date=2012-03-06 }}, {{-|Part V, Chapter 1, Article 66.}}</ref> | leader_title1 = [[President of Bangladesh|President]] | leader_name1 = [[Mohammed Shahabuddin]]<ref name="Pres">{{Cite web|title=Life Sketch of Mr. Md. Abdul Hamid|url=http://www.bangabhaban.gov.bd/Homes/president_sub_menu/1/2|publisher=Office of the President of Bangladesh|access-date=30 October 2016|archive-date=13 March 2016|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20160313041211/http://bangabhaban.gov.bd/homes/president_sub_menu/1/2|url-status=dead}}</ref> | leader_title2 = [[Chief Adviser of Bangladesh|Chief Adviser]] | leader_name2 = [[Muhammad Yunus]] | leader_title3 = [[Speaker of the Jatiya Sangsad|Speaker]] | leader_name3 = Vacant | leader_title4 = [[Chief Justice of Bangladesh|Chief Justice]] | leader_name4 = Syed Mahmud Hossain | sovereignty_type = [[History of Bangladesh|Independence]] | sovereignty_note = from [[Pakistan]] | established_event1 = [[Independence Day of Bangladesh|Declared]] | established_date1 = 26 March 1971 | established_event3 = Current constitution | established_date3 = 4 November 1972<ref name=CIA2011>{{Cite web|author=Central Intelligence Agency|title=Bangladesh|work=The World Factbook|publisher=Central Intelligence Agency|location=Langley, Virginia|year=2011|url=https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/bg.html|access-date=5 October 2011|archive-date=1 January 2021|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210101071339/https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/bg.html|url-status=dead}}</ref> | area_km2 = 148,460 | area_sq_mi = 55,049 <!--Don't remove per [[WP:MOSNUM]]--> | area_rank = 93 | percent_water = 6.4 | population_estimate = 166,368,149 | population_estimate_year = 2018 | population_estimate_rank = 8 | population_density_km2 = 964.42 | population_density_sq_mi = 2,497.4 | population_density_rank = 9th <sup>a</sup> | GDP_PPP_year = 2018 | GDP_PPP = $758 billion (29th)<ref name=imf2>{{Cite web|url=http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2011/01/weodata/weorept.aspx?pr.x=46&pr.y=7&sy=2008&ey=2011&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=513&s=NGDPD%2CNGDPDPC%2CPPPGDP%2CPPPPC%2CLP&grp=0&a= |title=Bangladesh|publisher=International Monetary Fund|access-date=20 April 2011}}</ref> | GDP_PPP_rank = | GDP_PPP_per_capita = $4,600<ref name=imf2/> | GDP_PPP_per_capita_rank = | GDP_nominal = $284.2 billion<ref name=imf2/> | GDP_nominal_rank = | GDP_nominal_year = 2018 | GDP_nominal_per_capita = $1,740<ref name=imf2/> | GDP_nominal_per_capita_rank = | Gini = 33.2 | Gini_ref = <ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2172.html|title=Distribution of family income – Gini index|work=The World Factbook|publisher=CIA|access-date=1 September 2009|archive-date=13 June 2007|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20070613005439/https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2172.html|url-status=dead}}</ref> | Gini_year = 2005 | HDI_year = 2018 <!-- Please use the year in which the HDI data refers to and not the publication year --> | HDI_change = increase | HDI_ref = <ref name="UN">{{Cite web|url=http://hdr.undp.org/en/media/HDR_2010_EN_Complete.pdf |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20101205181756/http://hdr.undp.org/en/media/HDR_2010_EN_Complete.pdf |title=Human Development Report 2018. Human development index trends: Table G|date=January 2010 |publisher=The United Nations|access-date=14 July 2018|archive-date=5 December 2010}}</ref> | HDI_rank = {{Ordinal|136}} | HDI = 0.603 | currency = [[Bangladeshi Taka|Taka]] | currency_code = BDT | time_zone = [[Bangladesh Standard Time|BST]] | utc_offset = +6 | drives_on = left | cctld = [[.bd|.bd]] | calling_code = +880 | footnote_a = {{Cite web |url=http://www.banbeis.gov.bd/bd_pro.htm |publisher=Bangladesh Bureau of Statistics |title=Population Census 2001, Preliminary Report |date=August 2001 |access-date=2012-04-04 |archive-date=2011-07-06 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20110706132048/http://www.banbeis.gov.bd/bd_pro.htm}} | official_website = [http://www.bangladesh.gov.bd/ Official website] }} '''Bangladeš''', služebno '''Narodna republika Bangladeš''', jes [[Država|državoju]] v [[Južna Azija|Južnoj Aziji]]. Jest osmoju najnaseljennejšeju državoju světa i jednoju iz največe gusto spakovanyh, kde vyše než 170 milionov ljudij živut na površině 148,460 km². Bangladeš imaje suhozemske granice s [[Indija|Indijeju]] na sěveru, zapadu i iztoku i so [[Mjanmar]]om na jugoiztoku. Na jugu imaje pribrěžje podolg [[Bengaljsky zaliv|Bengaljskogo zaliva]]. Na sěveru [[koridor Siliguri]] odděljaje Bangladeš od [[Butan]]a i [[Nepal]]a, a Indijsky štat [[Sikkim]] odděljaje jego od [[Kitaj]]a. [[Dhaka]] jest stoliceju i največšim gradom. Ona takože javjaje se centrom politiky, penezov i kultury. [[Čitagong]] jest vtorym največšim gradom i najoživjenym portom. Služebnym jezykom jest [[Bengaljsky jezyk|bengali]], oficialna i največša religija jest [[Islam]], a Bengalske muslimany skladajut največšu ljudsku skupinu v krajině. ==Linky i referencije== {{Iztočniky}} ==Vnešnje linky== * ''Tuty članok sodrživaje prěklad iz članka {{-|«[[:simple:Bangladesh|Bangladesh]]»}} v Vikipediji na prostom anglijskom ([https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bangladesh&action=history spis avtorov]; dozvoljeńje [[ccorg:licenses/by-sa/4.0/|{{-|CC BY-SA 4.0}}]]).'' {{Državy v Aziji}} [[Kategorija:Državy v Aziji]] {{INTERWIKI|Q902}} 39cx8xyyxmm9fdah9rfinvdjueiwd11 Belgija 0 693 28502 4478 2026-07-10T13:23:35Z Minorax 40 28502 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka država | common_name = Belgija | native_name = {{Jezyky|nl|België|fr|Belgique|de|Belgien}} | conventional_long_name = Kraljevstvo Belgija <br> {{Jezyky|nl|Koninkrijk België|fr|Royaume de Belgique|de|Königreich Belgien}} | image_flag = Flag of Belgium.svg | image_coat = Great_coat_of_arms_of_Belgium.svg | national_anthem = [[Brabantska]] | official_languages = * [[Niderlandsky jezyk|niderlandsky]] * [[Francuzsky jezyk|francuzsky]] * [[Němečsky jezyk|němečsky]] | capital = [[Bruselj]] | largest_city = [[Bruselj]] | government_type = federalna parlamentska konstitucijna [[monarhija]] | area_km2 = 30689<ref name="autogenerated1">{{Cite web|url=https://bestat.statbel.fgov.be/bestat/crosstable.xhtml?view=90c1e218-dc4f-4827-824d-9b25abfefe59 |title=be.STAT |publisher=Bestat.statbel.fgov.be |date=26 November 2019}}</ref> | area_rank = 136 | population_estimate = 11492641<ref name="Population">{{Cite web|url=https://statbel.fgov.be/nl/themas/bevolking/structuur-van-de-bevolking |title=Structuur van de bevolking |language=nl |publisher=Statbel |access-date=29 February 2020}}</ref> | population_estimate_year = 2020 | population_estimate_rank = 82 | currency = [[evro]] | currency_code = EUR | time_zone = [[Central European Time|CET]] | utc_offset = +1 | time_zone_DST = [[Central European Summer Time|CEST]] | utc_offset_DST = +2 | iso3166code = BE | coordinates = {{Coord|50|50|N|4|00|E|display=it}} }} '''Belgija''', služebno '''Kraljevstvo Belgija''', jest država v zapadnoj [[Evropa|Evropě]]. Graniči s [[Niderlandy|Niderlandami]] na sěveru, [[Němcija|Němcijeju]] na iztoku, [[Ljuksemburg]]om na jugoiztoku, [[Francija|Francijeju]] na jugozapadu i imaje izhod k [[Sěverno morje|Sěvernomu morju]] na sěverozapadu. Imaje plošču 30.689 km² i naseljenje bolje 11.5 milionov ljudij (2022).<ref>[https://statbel.fgov.be/nl/themas/bevolking/structuur-van-de-bevolking STATBEL: Struktura naseljenja.]</ref> Naseljenje Belgije sostoji medžu drugymi iz Flamandcev (55,09%), Valoncev (31,50%), Italijanov (1,95%), Arabov (1,85%), Francuzov (1,10%), Niderlandcev (0,97%), Němcev (0,92%) i Portugalcev (0,60%). Gustota naseljenja jest okolo 379,6/km². Belgija imaje tri služebne jezyky: [[Niderlandsky jezyk|niderlandsky]] (ok. 60% naseljenja), [[Francuzsky jezyk|francuzsky]] (ok. 40%) i [[Němečsky jezyk|němečsky]] (ok. 0,7% v vozhodnoj česti kraja). Glavny i največši grad jest [[Bruselj]], ine velike grady sut [[Antverp]], [[Gent]], [[Šarlerua]], [[Liež]], [[Bruž]], [[Namur]] i [[Ljoven]]. Belgija jest suverenna država i federalna konstitucijna [[monarhija]] s parlamentskym strojem. Federativny ustroj jest dost složeny. Politična sistema jest osnovana na tako nazyvajemym «dvupolusnym federalizmom». Po jednoj straně jest unitarna država, od ktoroj nizše plasty sut zavisne v oblastah podankov, pensij, zdravotničskyh strahovok, spravědlivosti, odnošenij s čudžinoju i tako dalje, po drugoj straně Belgiju sostavjajut tri federalne regiony: [[Flandrija|Flamandsky region]], [[Valonija|Valonsky region]] i [[Region stoličnogo grada Bruselj]]. Kromě togo, Belgija takože sostoji iz treh spoločnostij: niderlandskogojezyčnoj, francuzskojezyčnoj i němečskojezyčnoj. Regiony sut odgovorne za děla svezane s vlastnoju zemjeju, napriklad za občiny (munipipalitety), upravjanje prostoru, zemjedělstvo, lěsničstvo, obsrědinu, transport, energiju, budovanje, trgovanje i trud. Spoločnosti zajmajut se kulturnymi, jezyčnymi i ličnymi dělami, sportom, obrazenjem, naukoju i zdravoohranjenjem. Vse federalne regiony i spoločnosti imajut vlastny parlament i vlastu vladu. Flamandske region i spoločnosti imajut obču parlament, ale deputati iz Bruselja ne imajut prava glasovati o dělah svezanyh s regionom. Vslěd povyšego Belgija imajut šest parlamentov (raněje: sedm) i šest sovětov ministrov. == Administrativno děljenje Belgije == Belgija imaje složeny ustroj, osnovjeny na tako nazyvajemym «dvupolusnym federalizom». To znači, že mimo unitarnoj državy sut takože tri federalne regiony i tri spoločnosti. Regiony ({{Jezyky|nl|gewesten}}) sut: * [[Flandrija|flamandsky region]], * [[Valonija|valonsky region]], * [[Bruselj|region stoličnogo grada Bruselj]]. Spoločnosti ({{Jezyky|nl|gemeenschappen}}) sut: * niderlandskogojezyčna spoločnost, * francuzskojezyčna spoločnost, * němečskojezyčna spoločnost. [[Bruselj]] jest jednočasno glavny glad Belgije, flamandskogo regiona i francuzskojezyčnoj spoločnosti. Glavny grad Valonije jest [[Namur]], a glavny grad němečskoj spoločnosti jest [[Eupen]]. <gallery mode=packed heights=250px> File:Gewestenkaart.png|''Tri regiony Belgije: Flandrija (žolty), Valonija (črveny), Bruselj (modry)'' File:BelgieGemeenschappenkaart.png|''Tri spoločnosti Belgije: niderlandskogojezyčna (žolta), francuzskojezyčna (črvena), němečskojezyčna (modra)'' </gallery> Na uravnju medžu federalnymi regionami i občinami sut provincije. Belgija sostoji iz deseti provincij: pet v Flandriji, pet v Valoniji. Vsaka provincija imaje vladu i izbu provincialnyh deputatov. Tretji region, region stoličnogo grada Bruselj ne prinaleži nijednoj provinciji i ne sodrživaje provincije. <gallery mode=packed heights=250px> File:Kaart van Belgische Provincies.svg|Provincije Belgije </gallery> {| class="wikitable sortable" |+ Regiony i provincije Belgije (dane iz 1-ogo januara 2022 g.) |- ! colspan=3 | Region ! colspan=3 | Provincija ! rowspan=2 data-sort-type="number" | Naseljenje ! rowspan=2 data-sort-type="number" | Povrhnja<br>(km²) ! rowspan=2 data-sort-type="number" | Gustota<br />(ljudi/km²) |- ! class="unsortable" style="padding:0px 25px" | Herb ! Ime ! Glavny grad ! class="unsortable" style="padding:0px 25px" | Herb ! Ime ! Glavny grad |- | rowspan=5 align="center" | [[Fajl:Vlaanderen wapen.svg|70px]] | rowspan=5 align="left" | '''[[Flandrija]]'''<br />''{{-|Vlaanderen}}'' | rowspan=5 align="left" | [[Bruselj]]<br />''{{-|Brussel}}'' | align="center" | [[Fajl:Wapen van de provincie Antwerpen.svg|x70px]] | align="left" | '''[[Antverp (provincija)|Antverp]]'''<br />''{{-|Antwerpen}}'' | align="left" | [[Antverp (grad)|Antverp]]<br />''{{-|Antwerpen}}'' | 1.886.609 | 2.867 | 658,04 |- | align="center" | [[Fajl:Vlaams Brabant wapen.svg|x70px]] | align="left" | '''[[Flamandsky Brabant]]'''<br />''{{-|Vlaams-Brabant}}'' | align="left" | [[Ljoven]]<br />''{{-|Leuven}}'' | 1.173.440 | 2.106 | 557,19 |- | align="center" | [[Fajl:Limburg B wapen.svg|x70px]] | align="left" | '''[[Limburg (Belgija)|Limburg]]'''<br />''{{-|Limburg}}'' | align="left" | [[Hasselt]]<br />''{{-|Hasselt}}'' | 885.951 | 2.422 | 365,79 |- | align="center" | [[Fajl:Wapen van Oost-Vlaanderen.svg|x70px]] | align="left" | '''[[Vozhodna Flandrija]]'''<br />''{{-|Oost-Vlaanderen}}'' | align="left" | [[Gent]]<br />''{{-|Gent}}'' | 1.543.865 | 2.982 | 517,72 |- | align="center" | [[Fajl:Wapen van West-Vlaanderen.svg|x70px]] | align="left" | '''[[Zapadna Flandrija]]'''<br />''{{-|West-Vlaanderen}}'' | align="left" | [[Bruž]]<br />''{{-|Brugge}}'' | 1.209.011 | 3.144 | 384,54 |- | rowspan=5 align="center" | [[Fajl:Coat of arms of Wallonia.svg|70px]] | rowspan=5 align="left" | '''[[Valonija]]'''<br />''{{-|Wallonie}}'' | rowspan=5 align="left" | [[Namur (grad)|Namur]]<br />''{{-|Namur}}'' | align="center" | [[Fajl:Wapen van Waals-Brabant.svg|x70px]] | align="left" | '''[[Valonsky Brabant]]'''<br />''{{-|Brabant Wallon}}'' | align="left" | [[Vavr]]<br />''{{-|Wavre}}'' | 409.782 | 1.091 | 375,60 |- | align="center" | [[Fajl:Wapen van Henegouwen (provincie).svg|x70px]] | align="left" | '''[[Eno]]'''<br />''{{-|Hainaut}}'' | align="left" | [[Mons]]<br />''{{-|Mons}}'' | 1.351.127 | 3.786 | 356,87 |- | align="center" | [[Fajl:Wapen van Luik (provincie).svg|x70px]] | align="left" | '''[[Liež (provincija)|Liež]]'''<br />''{{-|Liège, Lüttich}}'' | align="left" | [[Liež (grad)|Liež]]<br />''{{-|Liège}}'' | 1.110.989 | 3.862 | 287,67 |- | align="center" | [[Fajl:Wapen van Luxemburg (België).svg|x70px]] | align="left" | '''[[Luksemburg (provincija)|Luksemburg]]'''<br />''{{-|Luxembourg}}'' | align="left" | [[Arlon]]<br />''{{-|Arlon}}'' | 291.143 | 4.505 | 64,63 |- | align="center" | [[Fajl:Wapen van Namen (provincie).svg|x70px]] | align="left" | '''[[Namur (provincija)|Namur]]'''<br />''{{-|Namur}}'' | align="left" | [[Namur (grad)|Namur]]<br />''{{-|Namur}}'' | 499.454 | 3.600 | 138,74 |- | align="center" | [[Fajl:Blason_de_Bruxelles-Capitale.svg|x70px]] | align="left" | '''[[Region stoličnogo grada Bruselj]]'''<br />''{{-|Brussels Hoofdstedelijk Gewest<br />Région de Bruxelles-Capitale}}'' | align="left" | [[Bruselj]]<br />''{{-|Brussel<br />Bruxelles}}'' | colspan="3" | &nbsp; | 1.222.637 | 161 | 7527,63 |} == Političny ustroj == [[Fajl:Koning Filip van België.jpg|thumb|right|upright|Kralj Filip]] Belgija jest tako nazyvajema «narodna monarhija», čto znači, že kralj ne vladaje državoju, ale narodom, i jegovo dostojenstvo ne zvuči «Kralj Belgije», ale «Kralj Belgov». Mimohodom, belgijsky kralj odigryvaje čisto formalnu rolju i ne imaje političnu vlast. Od 2013-ogo goda Belgijeju vladaje kralj Filip. [[Fajl:Palais de la Nation Bruxelles.jpg|thumb|300px|Budynok belgijskogo parlamenta]] Belgija imaje šest parlamentov, ktore zajedno imajut 537 členov: * Federalny parlament Belgije (dvě izby: dolna izba s 150 členami i senat s 60 členami) * Parlament Flandrije (za Flamandsky region i flamandsku spoločnost: 124 členi) * Parlament Valonije (75 členov) * Parlement Regiona stoličnogo grada Bruselj (89 členov: 72 francuzskojezyčni, 17 niderlandskojezyčnyh) * Parlament francuzskojezyčnoj spoločnosti (94 členi: 75 členov valonskogo parlamenta plus 19 iz 72 francuzskojezyčnyh členov Bruseljskogo parlamenta) * Parlament němečskojezyčnoj spoločnosti (25 členov) Dalje Belgija imaje šest vlad: * Federalna vlada (15 ministrov i 5 državnyh sekretarev) * Flamandska vlada (9 ministrov) * Valonska vlada (8 ministrov) * Vlada Regiona stoličnogo grada Bruselj (5 ministrov i 3 državni sekretari) * Vlada francuzskojezyčnoj spoločnosti (7 ministrov) * Vlada němečskojezyčnoj spoločnosti (4 ministri) Belgija jest parlamentarna demokracija. Skoro vse politične partije sut podrazděljene po jezyku: sut partije za niderlanskogogovorečih, za francuzskogovorečih i za němečskogovorečih. Najvažnějše partije, ktore imajut prědstaviteljstvo v izbah federalnogo parlamenta sut slědujuče: {| class="wikitable sortable" border="1" style="text-align:center;" |+ Najvažnějše politične partije v Belgiji<ref>poslě parlamentarnyh izborov 9-ogo junija 2024-ogo goda.</ref> |- ! colspan="2" rowspan="2" | Skračenje !! rowspan="2" | Polna nazva || rowspan="2" | Ideologija || rowspan="2" | Jezyk || colspan="2" | Čislo deputatov |- ! dolna izba !! senat |- | style="width: 8px; background-color:yellow;" | || '''{{-|N-VA}}''' || align=left | '''Novo-flamandsky alians'''<br />''{{-|Nieuw-Vlaamse Alliantie}}'' || flamandsky nacionalizm || nid. || 24 || 10 |- | style="width: 8px; background-color:#8B4513;" | || '''{{-|Vlaams Belang}}''' || align=left | '''Flamandsky interes'''<br />''{{-|Vlaams Belang}}'' || krajna pravica, flamandsky nacionalizm || nid. || 20 || 8 |- | style="width: 8px; background-color:blue;" | || '''{{-|MR}}''' || align=left | '''Reformatorsko dviženje'''<br />''{{-|Mouvement Réformateur}}'' || liberalizm || fr. || 19 || 9 |- | style="width: 8px; background-color:red;" | || '''{{-|PS}}''' || align=left | '''Socialistična partija'''<br />''{{-|Parti Socialiste}}'' || socialdemokracija || fr. || 16 || 6 |- | style="width: 8px; background-color:#C00000;" | || '''{{-|PVDA/PTB}}''' || align=left | '''Partija truda Belgije'''<br />''{{-|Partij van de Arbeid / Parti du Travail de Belgique}}'' || marksizm || nid./fr. || 15 || 6 |- | style="width: 8px; background-color:orange;" | || '''{{-|Les Engagés}}''' || align=left | '''Oddani'''<br />''{{-|Les Engagés}}'' || hristijanska demokracija || fr. || 14 || 5 |- | style="width: 8px; background-color:red;" | || '''{{-|Vooruit}}''' || align=left | '''Vprěd'''<br />''{{-|Vooruit}}'' || socialdemokracija || nid. || 13 || 4 |- | style="width: 8px; background-color:orange;" | || '''{{-|CD&V}}''' || align=left | '''Hristijansko-demokratični i flamandski'''<br />''{{-|Christen-Democratisch en Vlaams}}'' || hristijanska demokracija || nid. || 11 || 5 |- | style="width: 8px; background-color:green;" | || '''{{-|Ecolo-Groen}}''' || align=left | '''Skonfederovani ekologisti za organizaciju originalnyh borb – Zelenj'''<br />''{{-|Écologistes Confédérés pour l'Organisation de Luttes Originales – Groen}}'' || ekologizm || fr./nid. || 9 || 3 |- | style="width: 8px; background-color:blue;" | || '''{{-|Open Vld}}''' || align=left | '''Otvorjeni flamandski liberali i demokrati'''<br />''{{-|Open Vlaamse Liberalen en Democraten}}'' || liberalizm || nid. || 8 || 3 |- | style="width: 8px; background-color:#FF00FF;" | || '''{{-|DéFI}}''' || align=left | '''Nezavisny federalističny demokrat'''<br />''{{-|Démocrate Fédéraliste Indépendant}}'' || socialliberalizm || fr. || 1 || — |} == Iztočniky == {{Iztočniky}} == Vněšnje linky == {{Prěvod|en|Belgium|revizija=1016334795}} {{Državy v Evropě}} [[Kategorija:Belgija| ]] [[Kategorija:Državy v Evropě]] {{INTERWIKI|Q31}} 7ft1c0wrg87gde0n2jlp14io76y43lj Florian Schneider 0 891 28503 6023 2026-07-10T13:23:38Z Minorax 40 28503 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Florian Schneider 1975.jpg|thumb|Florian Schneider v 1975]] '''{{-|Florian Schneider-Esleben}}''' ([[7 aprilja]] [[1947]], [[Francuzska zona okupacije Němcije]] — [[21 aprilja]] [[2020]], [[Düsseldorf]]) — němečsky muzikant-[[multiinstrumentalist]], vokalist, založitelj i jedin iz dvoh ključnyh učestnikov vplyvnoj němečskoj grupy [[Kraftwerk]]. V novembru 2008 {{-|Florian Schneider}} oficialno izšel iz sostava grupy poslě 40 lět raboty s [[Ralf Hütter|Ralfom Hütterom]]. == Rannje žitje == Schneider urodil se 7 aprilja 1947 roka vo [[Francuzska zona okupacije Němcije|francuzskoj okupacijnoj zoně]] na jugě [[Němcija|Němcije]], nedaleko od [[Bodensko jezero|Bodenskogo jezera]], na teritoriji, ktora v 1952 roku stane zemjeju [[Baden-Württemberg]]. Jego roditeljami byli {{-|Paul Schneider-Esleben}}, arhitektor, i jego žena Evamaria ([[Ime pri urodženju|urodženna]] {{-|van Diemen-Meyerhof}}). Florian byl jevrejem po materi; Paul oženil se na napolovinu jevrejkě Evamariji v 1946 roku protiv volji svojego otca, ktory ostaval věrnym [[nacist]]om. Rodina Schneidera prěseljela v [[Düsseldorf]], kogda on imal 3 roka. == Kariera == Schneider razom s [[Ralf Hütter|Ralfom Hütterom]] osnoval v 1968 godu grupu [[Organisation (grupa)|Organisation]], ktora v 1970 godu byla prěobrazovana v [[Kraftwerk]]. Hütter i Schneider razom učili se v [[Akademija umětnosti Remscheida|Akademiji umětnosti Remscheida]]. Togda Florian Schneider ješče ukazyval se s podvojnoju rodnoju nazvoju kako ''Florian Schneider-Esleben'', jednako, počinaja od jednogo iz prvyh albumov Kraftwerk, stal imenovati se prosto ''Florian Schneider''. Početkovo igral na [[Flejta|flejtě]] i poněkogda na skripkě, zvuk ktoryh nerědko propuščal obrabotku s pomočju elektronnyh efektov. Jednako, počinaja od albumu Kraftwerk ''«[[Autobahn]]»'' (1974), praktično prěstal igrati na akustičskyh instrumentah, oddavaje prědpočitanje elektronikě. S togo povodu v 1991 godu Schneider skazal slědujuče: ''Ja jesm seriozno zanimal se izučenjem, dopoka ne dostignul něktorogo uravnja, potom ja našel to nudnym. Ja jesm iskal inogo i zauvažil, že flejta mene silno ograničivaje... Skoro ja jesm kupil mikrofon, potom govoritelji, poslě eho-efekt i sintezator. Pozdněje, ja jesm izbavil se od flejty, vsečto to bylo někojim procesom.'' Schneider, buduči osnovnym učestnikom Kraftwerk, byl velmi nemnogoslovny. Bez malogo vse intervju grupy daval jego bezizměnny partner po grupě Ralf Hütter. == Smrt == Umrl 21 aprilja 2020 goda v vozrastě 73 godov. Pričinoju smrti stal rak.<ref>{{Cite web |url =https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florian-schneider-esleben-died-kraftwerk-co-founder-dead-age-73-cause-of-death-cancer/|title = Florian Schneider-Esleben, co-founder of electronic music pioneers Kraftwerk, dies at 73|archive-date=2020-05-06|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200506183843/https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florian-schneider-esleben-died-kraftwerk-co-founder-dead-age-73-cause-of-death-cancer/}}</ref>. Pogreběny jest na Sěvernom grobišču (Nordfriedhof) Düsseldorfa<ref>{{Cite web |url =https://www.der-familienstammbaum.de/mementomori/verstorbene-prominente-2020/?id=6723_Florian-Schneider-Esleben|title = Zum Tod von Florian Schneider-Esleben|archive-date=2022-12-18|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20221218214116/https://www.der-familienstammbaum.de/mementomori/verstorbene-prominente-2020/?id=6723_Florian-Schneider-Esleben/}}</ref>. == Dodatočne fakty == * [[David Bowie]] nazval instrumentalnu kompoziciju na albumě ''[[Heroes (Album)|Heroes]]'' v čest Schneidera «V-2 Schneider». Kraftwerk okazali veliky vplyv na jego tvorčestvo berlinskogo perioda v konce 1970-h. * Florian Schneider ne izstupal na koncertah Kraftwerk v SŠA, ktore prohodili 19-26 aprilja 2008 goda. Zaměsto njego za pultom stojal Stefan Paffe, videoinženjer grupy. == Vněšnje linky == {{Prěvod|ru|Шнайдер, Флориан}} {{DEFAULTSORT:Schneider, Florian}} [[Kategorija:Kraftwerk]] [[Kategorija:Němečski muzikanti]] {{INTERWIKI|Q435744}} 13fotgdit6jkrczcje1l9rvcco7x54c Groningen (provincija) 0 950 28496 6492 2026-07-10T13:21:39Z Minorax 40 28496 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok}} {{Kartka provincija|qid=Q752|ime=Groningen|ime_v_jezyku={{Jezyky|nl|Groningen}}|država_gen=[[Niderlandy|Niderlandov]]|dolžnost_glavy=Komisar kralja}} '''Groningen''' ({{Jezyky|nl|Noord-Holland}}) jest provincija v sěverovozhodnoj česti [[Niderlandy|Niderlandov]], pri granici s [[Němcija|Němcijeju]]. Imaje povrhnju ok. 2 959 km² (v čem 623 km² jest voda) i naseljenje 575 234 ljudij (2005 g.). Glavny grad provincije takože nazyvaje se [[Groningen (provincija)#Groningen|Groningen]]. == Občiny v provinciji Groningen == {{Občina v provinciji - zaglavje}} {{Občina v provinciji | občina = Eemsdelta | občina_kir = Емсделта | qid = Q97055892 | centr = Delfzijl | karta = Map_-_NL_-_Municipality_code_1979_(2021).svg | obrazok = Keukens_appingedam.jpg | poprědnje = ''Delfzijl'', ''Appingedam'' i ''Loppersum'' | god_fuzije = 2021}} {{Občina v provinciji | občina = Groningen | občina_kir = Гронинген | qid = Q892526 | karta = NL_-_locator_map_municipality_code_GM0014_(2016).png | primětky = V 2019 g. občina ''Groningen'' byla razširjena občinoju Haren.}} {{Občina v provinciji | občina = Het Hogeland | občina_kir = Хет Хогеланд | qid = Q27959423 | centr = Winsum, Uithuizen | karta = Map_-_NL_-_Municipality_code_1966_(2019).svg | obrazok = Winsum_-_Molenstraat.jpg | poprědnje = ''Bedum'', ''Eemsmond'', ''De Marne'' i ''Winsum'' | god_fuzije = 2019}} {{Občina v provinciji | občina = Midden-Groningen | občina_kir = Мидден-Гронинген | prěvod_imene = Srědnji Groningen | qid = Q23987486 | karta = Map_-_NL_-_Municipality_code_1952_(2019).svg | obrazok = Fraeylemaborg_-_Slochteren_04.JPG | poprědnje = ''Hoogezand-Sappemeer'', ''Slochteren'' i ''Menterwolde'' | god_fuzije = 2018}} {{Občina v provinciji | občina = Oldambt | občina_kir = Олдамбт | qid = Q1347872 | karta = LocatieOldambt.png | obrazok = Winschoten_Burgemeester_Schönfeldplein.jpg | poprědnje = ''Scheemda'', ''Winschoten'' i ''Reiderland'' | god_fuzije = 2010 | primětky = V 19-om stolětju ''Eexta'' byla neodvisno selo, tutdenj jest susědstvo grada ''Scheemda''.}} {{Občina v provinciji | občina = Pekela | občina_kir = Пекела | qid = Q932077 | poprědnje = ''Oude Pekela'' i ''Nieuwe Pekela'' | god_fuzije = 1990}} {{Občina v provinciji | občina = Stadkanaal | občina_kir = Стадсканал | qid = Q73074}} {{Občina v provinciji | občina = Veendam | občina_kir = Вендам | qid = Q73065}} {{Občina v provinciji | občina = Westerkwartier | občina_kir = Вестерквартир | qid = Q30011757 | karta = Map_-_NL_-_Municipality_code_1969_(2019).svg | obrazok = Borg_Nienoord.jpg | poprědnje = ''Grootegast'', ''Leek'', ''Marum'', ''Zuidhorn'' i čest občiny ''Winsum'' | god_fuzije = 2019}} {{Občina v provinciji | občina = Westerwolde | občina_kir = Вестерволде | qid = Q27768267 | karta = Map_-_NL_-_Municipality_code_1950_(2019).svg | obrazok = Borg_Nienoord.jpg | poprědnje = ''Bellingwedde'' i ''Vlagtwedde'' | god_fuzije = 2018}} {{Občina v provinciji - konec}} {{Provincije Niderlandov}} [[Kategorija:Provincije Niderlandov]] {{INTERWIKI|Q752}} 0zolpfnomt7ip2nixa9lzfri2gh75xt Hebrejsky jezyk 0 970 28504 6661 2026-07-10T13:23:44Z Minorax 40 28504 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka jezyk|name=Hebrejsky|region=Izraelj|ethnicity=[[Hebreji]]|speakers=* 9,3 milliona * Kak rodny jezyk: 5,3 miliona|script=[[Hebrejsko pismo]]|family=* [[Afroazijatske jezyky]] ** [[Semito-hamitske]] *** [[Semitsky]] **** [[Zapadnosemitsky]]|map=File:Hebrew Language in the State of Israel and Area A, B and C.png|mapcaption=Ozemje, kde hebrejsky jest rodny jezyk boljšesti ili jest služebny jezyk, ale ne osnovny}} '''Hebrejsky''' (heb.: '''עִבְרִית‎''', ''ʿĪvrīt'', [[Medžunarodny fonetičny alfabet|[ʕivˈrit]]] abo [[Medžunarodny fonetičny alfabet|[ʔivˈʁit]]]) jest [[Severozapadne semitske jezyki|severozapadny semitsky jezyk]] v sostavu [[Afroaziatska jezykova rodina|afroaziatskoj jezykovoj rodiny]]. Regionalny dialekt hanaanskyh jezykov, na ktorom početkovo sut govorili izraeljci i ktory ostaval se glavnym jezykom do 200 goda n.e., a takože [[Liturgičny jezyk|liturgičnum jezykom]] [[judaizm]]a (pri [[Period Vtorogo Hrama|periodu Vtorogo Hrama]]) i [[samaritanizm]]a.<ref>{{Cite book |last=Chomsky |first=William |title=Hebrew: The Eternal Language |publisher=The Jewish Publication Society of America |year=1957 |location=Philadelphia |pages=1–13 |language=en}}</ref> Jezyk je byl vozrodženy kak razgovorny v 19. stolětju i jest jedinym uspěšnym velikym priměrom jezykovogo vozrodženja. Tuto jest jediny hanaansky jezyk, a takože jedin iz dvoh severozapadnyh semitskyh jezykov, drugym iz ktoryh jest [[Aramejsky jezyk|aramejsky]], na ktorom govoret i dodnes.<ref>{{Cite book|last1=Grenoble|first1=Leonore A.|last2=Whaley|first2=Lindsay J.|title=Saving Languages: An Introduction to Language Revitalization|date=2005|publisher=Cambridge University Press|location=United Kingdom|isbn=978-0-521-01652-0|page=63|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=Vavj5-hdDgQC&pg=PA63|quote=Hebrew is cited by Paulston et al. (1993:276) as 'the only true example of language revival.'|access-date=28 March 2017|archive-date=8 April 2023|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20230408152859/https://books.google.com/books?id=Vavj5-hdDgQC&pg=PA63|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{Cite news|last1=Fesperman|first1=Dan|title=Once 'dead' language brings Israel to life Hebrew: After 1,700 years, a revived language becomes a common thread knitting together a nation of immigrants with little in common except religion|url=https://www.baltimoresun.com/1998/04/26/once-dead-language-brings-israel-to-life-hebrew-after-1700-years-a-revived-language-becomes-a-common-thread-knitting-together-a-nation-of-immigrants-with-little-in-common-except-religion/|access-date=28 March 2017|work=The Baltimore Sun|agency=Sun Foreign Staff|date=26 April 1998|archive-date=29 March 2017|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20170329141226/http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1998-04-26/news/1998116050_1_read-hebrew-hebrew-and-arabic-german|url-status=live}}</ref> [[Fajl:המילה עברית בכתב ובכתב העברי הקדום.jpg|thumb|Slovo IVRIT («hebrejsky»), napisano na modernom hebrejskom (svrhu) i paleohebrejskym alfabetom (na dolu)]] Same ranejši obrazce pismennosti na [[Davnohebrejsky jezyk|davnohebrejskom jezyku]] datujut se 10. stolětjem do n.e.<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://www.physorg.com/news182101034.html |title=Most ancient Hebrew biblical inscription deciphered |publisher=Physorg.com |date=7 January 2010 |access-date=25 April 2013 |archive-date=27 January 2012 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120127105129/http://www.physorg.com/news182101034.html |url-status=live }}</ref> Bez malogo vsa [[Tanah|Hebrejska Biblija]] jest napisana na [[Biblijsky hebrejsky jezyk |biblijskom hebrejskom jezyku]], večša čest ktorogo v jego nyněšnjem vidu odnosi se k dialektu, ktory, po mnenju naučnikov, je procvetal priblizno v 6. stolětju do n.e., pri [[Vavilonska nevolja|vavilonskoj nevolji]]. Po tutomu povodu hebreji s davnogo času imenujut svoj jezyk ''lašon ha-kodeš'' (לְשׁוֹן הַקֹּדֶש, bukvalno «svečeny jezyk» abo «jezyk svetosti»). V Bibliji jezyk imenoval se ne hebrejskym, a ''Jehudit'' (prěklad: «judejskym») abo ''sapat-kanaan'' (prěklad: «jezyk [[Hanaan]]a»). Mišna Gitin 9:8 nazyvaje tutoj jezyk ''Ivrit'', inače davnohebrejskym; jednako Mišna Megila nazyvaje tutoj jezyk ašurit, inače [[Asirijaky jezyk|asirijskym]], čto izhodi od imena koristajemogo alfabeta, v odličje od hebrejskogo, inače paleohebrejskogo alfabeta.<ref>Hoffman, Joel M. In the Beginning : A Short History of the Hebrew Language. New York, New York University Press, 2006, p. 169.</ref> Hebrejsky je prěstal byti razgovornym jezykom někde medžu 200 i 400 godami n.e. pokoliko prišedl v upadok poslě neudačnogo [[Povstanje Bar-Kohby|povstanja Bar-Kohby]], ktoro hebreji [[Judeja|Judeji]] počeli suprotiv [[Rimska Imperija|Rimskoj Imperiji]]. Aramejsky i, v maloj měrě, [[Grečsky jezyk|grečsky]] jezyki uže koristali se kak medžunarodny, osoblivo posrěd elity i emigrantov.<ref>"If you couldn't speak Greek by say the time of early Christianity you couldn't get a job. You wouldn't get a good job. A professional job. You had to know Greek in addition to your own language. And so you were getting to a point where Jews... the Jewish community in, say, Egypt and large cities like Alexandria didn't know Hebrew anymore, they only knew Greek. And so you need a Greek version in the synagogue." – Josheph Blankinsopp, Professor of Biblical Studies University of Notre Dame in A&E's ''Who Wrote the Bible''</ref> Hebrejsky shranil se do [[Srědnjevěčje|srědnjevěčja]] kak jezyk hebrejskoj liturgiji, rabinskoj literatury, vnutrihebrejskogo trgovanja i hebrejskoj poeziji. Prva datovana kniga, natipkana na hebrejskom, je byla izdana Abrahamom Gartonom v Redžo (Kalabrija, Italija) v 1475 godu.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.encyclopedia.com/religion/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/abraham-ben-isaac-ben-garton |website=Encyclopedia.com |title=Abraham Ben Isaac Ben Garton|access-date=27 October 2022|archive-date=27 October 2022|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20221027042028/https://www.encyclopedia.com/religion/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/abraham-ben-isaac-ben-garton|url-status=live}}</ref> S pojavjenjem [[sionizm]]a v 19. stolětju hebrejsky prěžil pravdivo vozrodženje kak razgovorny i literaturny jezyk. Stvorjenjem modernoj versiji hebrejskogo jezyka je rukovodil Elězer Ben-Jehuda. [[Moderny hebrejsky jezyk|Moderny hebrejsky]] (ivrit) je stal [[Oficialny jezyk|oficialnym jezykom]] [[Izraelj|Državy Izraelj]]. Po ocenkam, v 1998 godu na hebrejskom sut govorili 5 milionov ljudij, a v 2013 — večše 9 milionov ljudij.<ref name=bhol>{{Cite web |title= 'Kometz Aleph&nbsp;– Au': How many Hebrew speakers are there in the world? |agency= Nachman Gur for Behadrey Haredim |url= http://www.bhol.co.il/article_en.aspx?id=52405 |access-date=2 November 2013 |archive-url= https://web.archive.org/web/20131104025104/http://www.bhol.co.il/article_en.aspx?id=52405 |archive-date=4 November 2013 |url-status= dead}}</ref> Poslě Izraelja [[Sjedinjene štaty Ameriky|Sjedineny štaty]] sut krajinoju s največšim čislom ljudij, govorečih na hebrejskom — problizno 220 tysečev ljudij.<ref name=2009survey>{{Citation|url=https://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/population/ancestry_language_spoken_at_home.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20071225193634/http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/population/ancestry_language_spoken_at_home.html |url-status=dead |archive-date=25 December 2007 |title=Table 53. Languages Spoken at Home by Language: 2009 |work=The 2012 Statistical Abstract |publisher=U.S. Census Bureau |access-date=27 December 2011}}</ref> Moderny hebrejsky jest oficialnym jezykom Državy Izraelj,<ref>{{Cite web |last= |date=2018-08-14 |title=Arabic Downgraded in Israel |url=https://www.languagemagazine.com/2018/08/14/arabic-downgraded-in-israel/ |access-date=2024-08-05 |website=Language Magazine |language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite news |last1=Holmes |first1=Oliver |last2=Balousha |first2=Hazem |date=2018-07-19 |title='One more racist law': reactions as Israel axes Arabic as official language |url=https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/19/one-more-racist-law-reactions-as-israel-axes-arabic-as-official-language |access-date=2024-08-05 |work=The Guardian |language=en-GB |issn=0261-3077}}</ref> togda kak dovozrodžene formy hebrejskogo koristajut se dlja molitvy abo obučenja v hebrejskyh i samaritanskyh občinah po vsemu světu; poslědnja grupa koristaje [[Samaritansky hebrejsky jzyk|samaritansky dialekt]] kak liturgičny jezyk. Kak ne-[[rodny jezyk]] on izučaje se glavno hebrejami, ne živučimi v Izraelju, studentami v Izraelju, archeologami i jezykoznavzcami, ktory usposobjeny dlja izučenja [[Blizky Vozhod|Blizkogo Vozhoda]] i jego civilizacijah, a takože bogoslovam v [[Hristijanstvo|hristijanskih]] [[seminarija]]h. ==Etimologija== Moderno [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk|medžuslovjansko]] slovo «hebrejsky» jest pridavnikom od slova «hebrej», ktoro proizhodi od {{Jezyky|grc|Ἑβραῖος}} (''hebraîos'') i [[Aramejsky jeszyk|aramejskogo]] '''ibrāy'', ktory v koncu proizhodet od [[Biblijsky hebrejsky jezyk|biblijskogo hebrejskogo]] (עברי), jednogo iz něktoryh imen izraeljskogo (hebrejskogo i samaritanskogo) naroda. Tradicijno mysle se, že tutoj pridavnik je osnovany na imenu prědka [[Abraham]]a Ebera, spomněnogo v [[1. kniga Mojseja|1. knigě Mojseja]] 10:21. Mněje se, že ime je osnovano na [[Semitsky korenj|semitskom korenje]] ʕ-b-r (ע־ב־ר‎), ktory označaje «po drugu stranu», «poprěk»;<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://biblehub.com/hebrew/5676.htm|title=Strong's Hebrew: 5676. עֵ֫בֶר (eber) – region across or beyond, side|website=biblehub.com|access-date=25 March 2018|archive-date=17 April 2018|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180417133208/http://biblehub.com/hebrew/5676.htm|url-status=live}}</ref> objasnjenja termina «hebrejsky» obyčajno prěkladajut jego smysl priblizno kak «s drugoj strany [rěki/pustynji]» — inače [[ekzonim]] dlja žiteljev zemji Izraelja i Judeji, věrojetno s točky zrěnja [[Mesopotamija|Mesopotamiji]], [[Finikija|Finikiji]] abo [[Transjordanija|Transjordaniji]] (pri tom razgovor, věrojetno, o rěkě [[Efrat]], [[Jordan]] abo [[Litanija]]; abo, věrojetno, o severnoj [[Arabijska pustynja|Arabijskoj pustynji]] medžu [[Babilonija|Babilonijej]] i [[Hanaan]]om).<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://lib.cet.ac.il/pages/item.asp?item=12606 |title=הספריה של מט"ח |publisher=Lib.cet.ac.il |access-date=25 April 2013 |archive-date=2 May 2013 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20130502104627/http://lib.cet.ac.il/pages/item.asp?item=12606 |url-status=live }}</ref> Sravnite slovo ''Habiru'' abo rodstveno asirijcko ''ebru'', ktoro imaje totožno značenje.<ref>{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=uycYAAAAYAAJ&q=assyrian+ebru&pg=PA9|title=A Concise Dictionary of the Assyrian Languages|last=Muss-Arnolt|first=William|date=1905|publisher=Reuther & Reichard|pages=9|language=en|access-date=10 June 2021|archive-date=8 April 2023|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20230408152916/https://books.google.com/books?id=uycYAAAAYAAJ&q=assyrian+ebru&pg=PA9|url-status=live}}</ref> Jedna iz samyh ranyh referencij nazvy jezyka kak «hebrejsky» strěčaje se v prologě k Knigě proroka Siraha, ktoro datuje se 2. stolětjem do n.e.<ref name=Xeravits>{{Cite book|author1=Géza Xeravits|author2=József Zsengellér|title=Studies in the Book of Ben Sira: Papers of the Third International Conference on the Deuterocanonical Books, Shime'on Centre, Pápa, Hungary, 18–20 May, 2006|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=y042aO03HLUC&pg=PA43|date=25 June 2008|publisher=Brill|isbn=978-90-04-16906-7|pages=43–}}</ref> Hebrejska Biblija ne koristaje termin «hebrejsky» odnosno jezyka hebrejskogo naroda;<ref>Barton, John, ed. (2004) [2002]. ''The Biblical World''. 2. Taylor & Francis. p. 7.</ref> jego večše pozdna historiografija, v [[Kniga Kraljev|Knigě Kraljej]], nazyva jego יְהוּדִית ''Jehudit'' «Judejskym (jezykom)».<ref>2. Kniga Kraljev 18:26.</ref> ==Fonologija== [[Biblijsky hebrejsky jezyk|Biblijsky hebrejsky]] je imal tipičnu semitsku sbirku suglasok s faringalnymi [ʕ], [ħ], redom «emfatičskyh» suglasok (možlivo, abruptivnyh, ale tuto ne jest sporno), lateralnym frikativnym [ɬ], a na večše ranyh stadijah takože uvularnyh [χ] i [ʁ], ktory sut slili se s [ħ] i [ʕ] v večše pozdnějšem biblijskom hebrejskom, a [b, g, d, k, p, t] sut byli podvrgnute alofonicxskoj spirantizaciji do [v, ɣ, ð, x, f, θ] (znajemogo kak begedkefet). Sama ranejša sistema glasok biblijskogo hebrejskogo jezyka sut sodrživala protosemitske samoglaski [a, aː, i, iː, u, uː], a takože [oː], ale tuta sistema s časom je mnogo prěměnila se. K času pojavjenja [[Svitki Mrtvogo morja|svitkov Mrtvogo morja]] [ɬ] je obratil se v [s] v hebrejskyh tradisijah, ačekoli u samaritam on je slil se s [ʃ]. V tiberijskoj tradiciji čitanja srědnjevěčja jestvovala sistema glasok [a, ɛ, e, i, ɔ, o, u, ă, ɔ̆, ɛ̆], ačekoli v drugyh srědnjevěčnyh tradicijah čitanja glasok sut bylo menje. Red tradicij čitanja shranil se v liturgičnom ustroje. V iztočnyh ([[Sefardske hebreji|sefardskyh]] I [[Iztočny hebreji|mizrahimskyh]]) hebrejskyh tradicijah čitanja emfatičske suglasky realizujut se kak faringealizovane, togy kak [[Aškenazske hebreji|aškenazske]] (severne I iztočnoevropejske) tradicije sut utratili emfatične i faringalne suglaske (ačekoli suglasno aškenazskomu zakonu, faringalna artikulacija jest vyše preferovana uvularnoj abo grtanoj artikulaciji pri prědstavjanji občiny v religijnom služenji, takom kak molitva I čitanje Tory) i pokazyvaje izměščanje [w] v [v]. [[Samaritanske hebreji|Samaritanska]] tradicija imaje složnu sistemu glasok, ktora daže priblizno ne odpovědaje tiberijskym sistemam. Moderny hebrejsky izgovor je razvil se iz směšanja različnyh hebrejskyh tradicij čitanja, ktory v cělom sklanjajut se k uproščenju. Podolg s izgovorom sefardskogo hebrejskogo jezyka, emfatičske suglasky sut izměstili se na svoji obyčajne analogi, [w] na [v], a [ɣ], [ð] i [θ] odsutstvujut. Večinstvo izraeljcev dnes tako že sjedinjajut [ʕ] i [ħ] s [ʔ] i [χ], ne imajut kontrastnoj geminaciji i proiznoset [r] kak uvularny frikativ [ʁ] abo zvonky velarny frikativ [ɣ], a ne alveolanro drganje, iz-za vliva aškenazskogo hebrejskogo. Suglasky [tʃ] i [dʒ] sut stali fonematičnymi iz-za pozajetyh slov, i [w] tako že je byl vvedeny ponovno. === Suglasky === {| class="wikitable" |+ ! rowspan="2" |Proto-semitsky ! rowspan="2" |[[Medžunarodny fonetičny alfabet|MFA]] ! colspan="5" |Hebrejsky ! colspan="2" |Priklad |- ! colspan="2" |pismeny !Biblijsky !Tiberijsky !Moderny !Slovo !Značenje |- !*b ![b] |<big>ב‎</big><sup>3</sup> |''ḇ''/''b'' |/b/ |/v/, /b/ |/v/, /b/ |'''ב'''ית |dom |- !*d ![d] |<big>ד‎</big><sup>3</sup> |''ḏ''/''d'' |/d/ |/ð/, /d/ |/d/ |'''ד'''ב |medvěd |- !*g ![g] |<big>ג‎</big><sup>3</sup> |''ḡ''/''g'' |/ɡ/ |/ɣ/, /ɡ/ |/ɡ/ |<big>'''ג'''מל</big> |velblud |- !*p ![p] |<big>פ‎</big><sup>3</sup> |''p̄''/''p'' |/p/ |/f/, /p/ |/f/, /p/ |<big>'''פ'''חם</big> |vugolj (vuglja) |- !*t ![t] |<big>ת‎</big><sup>3</sup> |''ṯ''/''t'' |/t/ |/θ/, /t/ |/t/ |<big>'''ת'''מר</big> |palma |- !*k ![k] |<big>כ‎</big><sup>3</sup> |''ḵ''/''k'' |/k/ |/x/, /k/ |/χ/, /k/ |<big>'''כ'''ו'''כ'''ב</big> |zvězda |- !''*ṭ'' !'''['''tʼ''']''' |<big>ט‎</big> |''ṭ'' |/tˤ/ |/tˤ/ |/t/ |<big>'''ט'''בח</big> | |- !''*q'' !'''['''kʼ''']''' |<big>ק‎</big> |''q'' |/kˤ/ |/q/ |/k/ |<big>'''ק'''בר</big> |mogyla, grob |- !''*ḏ'' !'''[ð] / [d͡ð]''' | rowspan="2" |<big>ז‎</big><sup>2</sup> | rowspan="2" |''z'' | rowspan="2" |/z/ | rowspan="2" |/z/ | rowspan="2" |/z/ |'''ז'''כר |mužsky |- !''*z'' !'''[z] / [d͡z]''' |'''ז'''רק |kydati |- !''*s'' !'''[s] / [t͡s]''' |<big>ס‎</big> |''s'' |/s/ |/s/ |/s/ |'''ס'''וכר |cukr |- !''*š'' !'''[ʃ] / [s̠]''' | rowspan="2" |<big>שׁ‎</big><sup>2</sup> | rowspan="2" |''š'' | rowspan="2" |/ʃ/ | rowspan="2" |/ʃ/ | rowspan="2" |/ʃ/ |'''שׁ'''מים |nebo |- !''*ṯ'' !'''[θ] / [t͡θ]''' |'''שׁ'''מונה |osm |- !''*ś'' !'''[ɬ] / [t͡ɬ]''' |<big>שׂ‎</big><sup>1</sup> |''ś'' |/ɬ/ |/s/ |/s/ |'''שׂ'''מאל |lěvy |- !''*ṱ'' !'''[θʼ] / [t͡θʼ]''' | rowspan="3" |<big>צ‎</big> | rowspan="3" |''ṣ'' | rowspan="3" |/sˤ/ | rowspan="3" |/sˤ/ | rowspan="3" |/ts/ |'''צ'''ל |těnj, stěnj |- !''*ṣ'' !'''[sʼ] / [t͡sʼ]''' |'''צ'''רח |krik |- !''*ṣ́'' !'''[ɬʼ] / [t͡ɬʼ]''' |'''צ'''חק |směh |- !''*ġ'' !'''[ɣ]~[ʁ]''' | rowspan="2" |<big>ע‎</big> | rowspan="2" |''ʻ'' |/ʁ/ | rowspan="2" |/ʕ/ | rowspan="2" |/ʔ/, - |'''ע'''ורב |vran |- !''*ʻ'' !'''['''ʕ''']''' | |'''ע'''שׂר |deset |- !''*ʼ'' !'''['''ʔ''']''' |<big>א‎</big> |''ʼ'' |/ʔ/ |/ʔ/ |/ʔ/, - |'''א'''ב |otec |- !''*ḫ'' !'''[x]~[χ]''' | rowspan="2" |<big>ח‎</big><sup>2</sup> | rowspan="2" |''ḥ'' |/χ/ | rowspan="2" |/ħ/ | rowspan="2" |/χ/ |'''ח'''משׁ |pet |- !''*ḥ'' !'''['''ħ''']''' |/ħ/ |'''ח'''בל |šnur, povraz |- !''*h'' !'''['''h''']''' |<big>ה‎</big> |''h'' |/h/ |/h/ |/h/, - |'''ה'''גר | |- !''*m'' ![m] |<big>מ‎</big> |''m'' |/m/ |/m/ |/m/ |'''מ'''ים |voda |- !''*n'' ![n] |<big>נ‎</big> |''n'' |/n/ |/n/ |/n/ |'''נ'''ביא |prorok |- !''*r'' ![r] |<big>ר‎</big> |''r'' |/ɾ/ |/ɾ/ |/ʁ/ |<big>'''ר'''גל</big> |noga |- !''*l'' ![l] |<big>ל‎</big> |''l'' |/l/ |/l/ |/l/ |<big>'''ל'''שׁון</big> |jezyk |- !''*y'' ![j] |<big>י‎</big> |''y'' |/j/ |/j/ |/j/ |<big>'''י'''ד</big> |ruka |- !''*w'' ![w] |<big>ו‎</big> |''w'' |/w/ |/w/ |/v/ |<big>'''ו'''רד</big> |roza |- !Protosemitsky !MFA ! colspan="2" |Hebrejsky !Biblijsky !Tiberijsky !Moderny ! colspan="2" |Priklady |} Primětky: # Protosemitsko ''*ś'' kako prědže izgovorjalo se kak [ɬ] v biblijskom hebrejskom, ale v finikijskom alfabetu ne je bylo takoj vykva, zatom bukva <big>ש‎</big> imala dva izgovora, ktory sut zvučali kak [ʃ] i [ɬ]. Pozdněje, jednako, zvuk [ɬ] je sjedinil se s [s], ale stara ortografia je byla shranjena, i obadva izgovora <big>ש‎</big> sut byli grafičsky uděljane v tiberijskom hebrejskom kak <big>שׁ‎</big> [ʃ] suprotiv <big>שׂ‎</big> [s] < [ɬ]. # Biblijsky hebrejsky v 3. stolětju do n.e., věrojetno, kako prědže je različal fonemy ''ġ'' suprotiv ''ʻ'' i ''ḫ'' suprotiv ''ḥ'', o čem svědčet transkripciji v Septuagintě. Kak i v slučaju s [ɬ], ne je bylo bukv dlja označenja tutyh zvukov, a jestvujuče bukvy sut izpolnjali dvojnu funkciju: <big>ח</big> dlja [χ] i [ħ] i <big>ע</big> для [ʁ] i [ʕ]. Vo vsih tutyh slučajah, jednakom zvuki, ktory sut prědstavjeny jednoj i toj že bukvoju, v koncu sut slili se i ne ostavili nikakyh dokazov (kromě rannjih transkripcij) ranějših razlik. # V hebrejskom i aramejskom jezykah v jedin moment je slučila se spirantizacija begedkefeta, vslěd čego smyčne zvuki [b ɡ d k p t] sut byli smekčeny do odpovědajučih frikativov [v ɣ ð x f θ] (oni zapisyvajut se kak ''ḇ ḡ ḏ ḵ p̄ ṯ'') pri pojavjenji poslě samoglasky i ne geminirovanyh. Tuto izměnjenje, věrojetno, je slučilo se poslě togo, kak prvonačelne davnoaramejske fonemy [θ] i [ð] sut izčeznuli v 7. stolětju do n.e. i, věrojetno, slučilo se poslě utraty davnohebrejskogo [χ] i [ʁ] okolo 200 goda do n.e. Vědomo, že on je pojavil se v hebrejskom vo 2. stolětju. Prěz něktory čas tuto poslědovateljno izměnjenje je stalo kontrastnym po slovesno-medialnoj i konečnoj pozicijam (ačekoli i s nizkym funkcionalnym brěmenem), ale po početkovoj poziciji slova oni sut ostavali sr alofoničskymi. V modernom hebrejskom tutua razlika imaje večše vysoko funkcionalno brěme iz-za utraty geminaciji, ačekoli donyně shranili se jedino tri frikativa: [v, χ, f] (frikativ [x] proiznosi se kak [χ] v modernom hebrejskom). Ostatne proiznoset se kak odgovarjajuče smyčne zvuki, pokoliko moderny hebrejsky izgovor je byl osnovany na sefardskom izgovoru, ktoro utratilo razliku. ==Gramatika== Gramatika hebrejskogo čestično jest analitična, izražajuča take formy, kak dativ, ablativ i akuzativ, s pomočju prědložnikovyh čestic, a ne gramatičnyh padežev. Jednako slovoizměnenje igraje rěšajuču rolju v obrazovanji glagolov i imennikov. Napriklad, imenniki imajut konstruktno stanje, imenujemo ''«smihut»'', dlja označenja odnošenja «prinaležnosti k»: tuto jest protivnost genetivu večše flektivnyh jezykov. Slova v ''smihut'' često kombinujut se s defisami. V modernom govoru koristanje konstrukciji poněkogda medžuaobno s prědlogom ''«šel»'', ktory označaje «iz». Jednako jest mnogo slučajev, kogda stare sklanjajeme formy shranjajutvse (osoblivo v idiomatičnyh izraženjah i tomu podobnom), i «ličny»-enklitiki mnogo koristajut se dlja sklonjenja prědlogov. ===Morfologija=== Kak i vse semitske jezyky, hebrejsky jezyk demonstriruje strukturu osnov, sostoječih se iz, kak pravilo, iz «trěhbukvenyh» abo 3-suglasnyh korenjev, iz ktoryh imenniki, pridavniki i glagoly obrazujut se različnymi sposobami: napriklad, putem vstavjenja samoglasok, udvojenja suglasok, prodolženja samoglasok i/abo dodavanja prěfiksov, sufiksof abo infiksov. Jestvujut takože 4-suglasne korenja, ktore je stali večše čestymi v modernom jezyku iz-za procesa obrazovanja glagolov iz imennikov, ktory sami sostojet iz 3-suglasnyh glagolov. Něktore trěhbukvene korenja utračajut jednu iz svojih suglasok v večinstvu form i imenujut se ''«nahim»'' (oddyhajuče). V hebrejskom koristaje se red jednobukvenyh prěfiksov, ktore dodajut se do slov dlja različnyh celjev. One imenujut se neodděljajemymi prědlogami abo bukvalno «bukvami koristanja» (heb.: אותיות השימוש, ''otijot hašimuš''). K takym elementam odnoset se: oprěděljeny člen ''ha-'' (kak anglijsko «the»); prědlogy ''be-'' (= «v»), ''le-'' (= «k, v, na, ot, do»; skračena versija prědloga ''el''), ''mi-'' (= «od, iz, u, s, po»; skračena veraija od prědloga ''min''); svezniky ''ve-'' (= «i»), ''še-'' (= «tot»; skračena versija od biblijskogo sveznika ''ašer''), ''ke-'' (= «kak, podobno»; skračena versija sveznika ''kmo''). [[Fajl:עברית handwritten form.jpg|thumb|Hebrejsko slovo, označauče «hebrejsky» (עברית) v jego rukopisnoj formě]] Samoglaska, suprovadžajuča každu iz tyh bukv, može različati se od nazvanyh vyše, zavisno od prvoj bukvy abo nastupnoj za njej samoglaski. Pravila, regulirujuče tute izměnjenja, ktore praktično ne izpolnjajut se v razgovornoj rěči, pokoliku večinstvo nositeljev jezyka sklonni koristati obyčnu formu. Jednako jih možlivo uslyšati v bolje oficialnyh okolnostah. Napriměr, ako li prědlog stavi se prěd slovom, ktoro počinaje se s podvigajemoju bukvoju Šva, to kak prědlog koristaje se samoglaska [i] (pri tutom načelna bukva može byti oslabjena): razgovorno ''bi-kfar'' (= «v vesi») pristoji bolje formalnomu ''bi-hfar''. Oprěděljeny člen može byti vstavjeny medžu prědlogom abo sveznikom i slovom, ko ktoromu on odnosi se, iz-za čego obrazuje sostavne slova, take kak ''me-ha-kfar'' (= «iz vesi»). Poslědne takože demonstruje izměnjenje samoglaski v slově ''mi-''. V slučaju s ''be'', ''le'' i ''ke'' oprěděljeny člen prěobrazuje se v prědrastku, ktora poslě obračaje se v ''ba'', ''la'' abo ''ka''. Zatom ''*be-ha-matos'' obračaje se v ''ba-matos'' (= «v ploskosti»). S ''me'' tutogo ne slučaje se (prěd bukvoju «he» koristaje se forma «min» abo «mi-», zatom dozvolimoju formoju jest ''me-ha-matos'', čto označaje «s samoleta». :''* ukazyvaje na to, že tuty priměr jest gramatično nestandardnym.'' == Žrla == <references/> == Vněšnje linky == {{Prěvod|en|Hebrew language|}} {{INTERWIKI|Q9288}} [[Kategorija:Semitske jezyky]] 0tjifadowtwlezrxw5yphmmhhe0jelh Iran 0 1042 28534 7260 2026-07-11T04:36:54Z MwGamera 13 persijsky 28534 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=May 2025}} {{Kartka država | conventional_long_name = Islamska Republika Iran | common_name = Iran | native_name = <div style="font-weight:100 font-family:Arial;"><center>{{Jezyky|fa|جُمْهُورَى اسْلَامَى اىرَانْ}}</center></div> | image_flag = Flag of Iran (official).svg | image_coat = Emblem of Iran.svg | symbol_type = Gerb <!--maps-->| national_motto = <br />{{Jezyky|fa|استقلال، آزادی، جمهوری اسلامی}}<br />{{Small|{{Transl|fa|Esteghlāl, Āzādi, Jomhuri-ye Eslāmi}}}} | national_anthem = {{Jezyky|fa|سرود ملی جمهوری اسلامی ایران}}<br />{{-|{{Nowrap|Sorud-e Melli-ye Jomhuri-ye Eslāmi-ye Irān}}}} ([[Narodny himn Islamskoj republiky Iran]]")<br /> <div style="display:inline-block;margin-top:0.4em;">[[Fajl:Sorud-e Mellí-e Yomhurí-e Eslamí-e Irán (instrumental).oga]]</div> | image_map = Iran (orthographic projection).svg | capital = [[Teheran]] | coordinates = {{Coord|35|41|N|51|25|E|type:city}} | largest_city = [[Teheran]] | official_languages = [[Persijsky jezyk|persijsky]] | regional_languages = <nowiki>{{Collapsible list</nowiki> | titlestyle = background:transparent;text-align:left;font-weight:normal;font-size:100%; | title = List of languages|36% [[Persian language|Persian]] {{!}} 13% [[Azerbaijani language|Azerbaijani]] and other [[Turkic languages|Turkic dialects]] {{Midsize|(incl. Qashqai, [[Turkmen language|Turkmen]])<ref name="britannicalanguages">{{Cite web |title=Iran - Languages |url=https://www.britannica.com/place/Iran/Languages |website=Encyclopædia Britannica |access-date=9 January 2020 |language=en |archive-date=5 May 2020 |archive-url=https://archive.today/20200505165439/https://www.britannica.com/place/Iran/Languages |url-status=live }}</ref>}} {{!}} 10% [[Kurdish languages|Kurdish]] {{!}} 12% [[Gilaki language|Gilak]] and [[Mazanderani language|Mazanderani]] {{!}} 8% [[Luri language|Luri]] {{!}} 6% [[Balochi language|Balochi]] {{!}} 15% other<ref name="cia"/> | ethnic_groups = {{Collapsible list | titlestyle = background:transparent;text-align:left;font-weight:normal;font-size:100%; | title = List of ethnicities | 69% [[Persians|Persian]] | 6% [[Iranian Azerbaijanis|Azerbaijani]] | 10% [[Kurds in Iran|Kurd]] | 6% [[Lurs|Lur]] {{Midsize|(incl. [[Bakhtiari people|Bakhtiari]])}} | 2% [[Iranian Turkmens|Turkmen]] and [[Turkic-speaking Iranians|other Turkic peoples]] | 2% [[Baloch of Iran|Baloch]] | 2% [[Iranian Arabs|Arab]] | 3% other<ref name="cia"/>}} | religion = [[Shia Islam]] ([[State Religion|official]])<ref>{{Cite web | url=https://www.state.gov/reports/2021-report-on-international-religious-freedom/iran/ | title=Iran }}</ref> | demonym = {{Plainlist| *Iransky}} | government_type = [[Unitarna država|unitarna]] [[Teokratija|teokratična]] [[Prezidentska sistema|prezidentska]] [[Islamska republika#Iran|Islamska republika]] | leader_title1 = [[Supreme Leader of Iran|Supreme Leader]] | leader_name1 = {{Nowrap|[[Ali Khamenei]]}} | leader_title2 = [[President of Iran|President]] | leader_name2 = [[Masoud Pezeshkian]] | leader_title3 = [[Vice President of Iran|Vice President]] | leader_name3 = | leader_title4 = [[List of Speakers of the Parliament of Iran|Parliament Speaker]] | leader_name4 = [[Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf]] | leader_title5 = [[Chief Justice of Iran|Chief Justice]] | leader_name5 = [[Gholam-Hossein Mohseni-Eje'i]] | lower_house = | legislature = [[Islamic Consultative Assembly]] | sovereignty_type = [[History of Iran|Establishment history]] | established_event1 = [[Medes|Median Empire]] | established_date1 = {{Circa}} 678 prěd n.e. | established_event2 = [[Achaemenid Empire]] | established_date2 = 550 prěd n.e. | established_event3 = [[Parthian Empire]] | established_date3 = 247 prěd n.e. | established_event4 = [[Sasanian Empire]] | established_date4 = 224 n.e.<ref name="Sarkhosh">{{Citation |author1=Sarkhosh Curtis, Vesta |author2=Stewart, Sarah |year=2005 |title=Birth of the Persian Empire: The Idea of Iran |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=a0IF9IdkdYEC |publisher=I.B. Tauris |location=London |page=108 |quote=Similarly the collapse of Sassanian Eranshahr in AD 650 did not end Iranians' national idea. The name 'Iran' disappeared from official records of the Saffarids, Samanids, Buyids, Saljuqs and their successor. But one unofficially used the name Iran, Eranshahr, and similar national designations, particularly Mamalek-e Iran or 'Iranian lands', which exactly translated the old Avestan term Ariyanam Daihunam. On the other hand, when the Safavids (not Reza Shah, as is popularly assumed) revived a national state officially known as Iran, bureaucratic usage in the Ottoman empire and even Iran itself could still refer to it by other descriptive and traditional appellations. |isbn=978-1-84511-062-8 |access-date=2022-02-23 |archive-date=2022-12-18 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20221218025310/https://books.google.com/books?id=a0IF9IdkdYEC |url-status=live }}</ref> | established_event5 = Buyid dynasty | established_date5 = 934 | established_event6 = [[Seljuk Iran]] | established_date6 = 1037<ref name="Andrew J. Newman 2006"/> | established_event7 = [[Timurid dynasty]] | established_date7 = 1363 | established_event8 = [[Afsharid dynasty]] | established_date8 = 1736 | established_event9 = [[Qajar Iran]] | established_date9 = 1796 | established_event10 = [[Pahlavi Iran]] | established_date10 = 15 December 1925 | established_event11 = [[Iranian Revolution|Islamic Revolution]] | established_date11 = 11 February 1979 | established_event12 = [[Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Iran|Current constitution]] | established_date12 = 3 December 1979 | established_event13 = [[1989 Iranian constitutional referendum|Latest amendment]] | established_date13 = 28 July 1989 | area_km2 = 1,648,195 | area_rank = 17. | area_sq_mi = 636,372<!--Do not remove per [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and Numbers]]--> | percent_water = 1.63 (as of 2015)<ref>{{Cite web|title=Surface water and surface water change|access-date=11 October 2020|publisher=Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD)|url=https://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=SURFACE_WATER|archive-date=24 March 2021|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210324133453/https://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=SURFACE_WATER|url-status=live}}</ref> | population_estimate = 83,183,741<ref name="amar.org.ir">{{Cite web |url= https://www.amar.org.ir/دادهها-و-اطلاعات-آماری |title= داده‌ها و اطلاعات آماری |website= amar.org.ir |access-date= 13 September 2017 |archive-url= https://web.archive.org/web/20180314233022/https://www.amar.org.ir/%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%AF%D9%87%D9%87%D8%A7-%D9%88-%D8%A7%D8%B7%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%B9%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%A2%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C |archive-date= 14 March 2018 |url-status= dead }}</ref> | population_estimate_year = 2019 | population_estimate_rank = 17. | population_density_km2 = 48 | population_density_sq_mi = 124<!--Do not remove per [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and Numbers]]--> | population_density_rank = 162nd<!--Wiki source[?]--> | GDP_PPP = $1.246,26 trillion<ref 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|url-status=live }}</ref> | GDP_PPP_year = 2022 | GDP_PPP_rank = 23th | GDP_PPP_per_capita = $14,520<ref name="IMFWEOIR"/> | GDP_PPP_per_capita_rank = 66th | GDP_nominal = $1.136,68 trillion<ref name="IMFWEOIR"/> | GDP_nominal_year = 2022 | GDP_nominal_rank = 17. | GDP_nominal_per_capita = $13,240<ref name="IMFWEOIR"/> | GDP_nominal_per_capita_rank = 78. | Gini = 42.0<!--number only--> | Gini_year = 2018 | Gini_change = increase<!--increase/decrease/steady--> | Gini_ref = <ref name="Data.worldbank.org">{{Cite web|url=https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/si.pov.gini |title=GINI index (World Bank estimate) |publisher=World Bank |access-date=10 July 2021|url-status=dead |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150209003326/https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/si.pov.gini |archive-date=9 February 2015}}</ref> | Gini_rank = | HDI = 0.783<!--number only--> | HDI_year = 2019<!--Please use the year to which the data refers, not the publication year--> | HDI_change = decrease<!--increase/decrease/steady--> | HDI_ref = <ref name="UNHDR">{{Cite book|title=Human Development Report 2020 The Next Frontier: Human Development and the Anthropocene|date=15 December 2020|publisher=United Nations Development Programme|isbn=978-92-1-126442-5|pages=343–346|url=http://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/hdr2020.pdf|access-date=16 December 2020|archive-date=15 December 2020|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20201215063955/http://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/hdr2020.pdf|url-status=live}}</ref> | HDI_rank = 70th | currency = [[Iransky rial]] ({{Jezyky|fa|ریال}}) | currency_code = IRR | time_zone = [[Iran Standard Time|IRST]] | utc_offset = +3:30 | utc_offset_DST = +4:30 | time_zone_DST = IRDT | date_format = <span dir="rtl">yyyy/mm/dd</span> ([[Solar Hijri calendar|SH]]) | drives_on = right | calling_code = [[Telephone numbers in Iran|+98]] | iso3166code = IR | cctld = {{Unbulleted list |[[.ir|.ir]] |[[.ir|ایران.]]}} | englishmotto = ("Independence, freedom, the Islamic Republic") <br /> {{Small|(''[[de facto]]'')}}<ref name="Temperman2010">{{Cite book | author=Jeroen Temperman | title=State-Religion Relationships and Human Rights Law: Towards a Right to Religiously Neutral Governance | url=https://books.google.com/books?id=Khag6tbsIn4C&pg=PA87 | year=2010 | publisher=Brill | isbn=978-90-04-18148-9 | pages=87– | quote=The official motto of Iran is ''[[Takbir]]'' ('God is the Greatest' or 'God is Great'). Transliteration ''Allahu Akbar''. As referred to in art. 18 of the constitution of Iran (1979). The ''[[de facto]]'' motto however is: 'Independence, freedom, the Islamic Republic.{{'-}} | access-date=2022-02-23 | archive-date=2022-12-18 | archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20221218025311/https://books.google.com/books?id=Khag6tbsIn4C&pg=PA87 | url-status=live }}</ref> | official_religion = | today = }} [[Fajl:Khezr Beach, Hormoz Island, Persian Gulf, Iran, 02-09-2008.jpg|thumb| Plaž Hezr, Ostrov Hormoz, Persidsky zaliv, Iran, 02-09-2008 ]] '''Iran''' jest [[država]] v [[Azija|Zapadnoj Aziji]]. Jest čest [[Blizky Vozhod|blizkovozhodnogo]] regiona. Imaje [[Granica|granice]] s [[Afganistan]]om, [[Armenija|Armenijeju]], [[Azerbajdžan]]om, [[Irak]]om, [[Pakistan]]om, [[Turcija|Turcijeju]] i [[Turkmenistan]]om. ==Izkazanje== [[Teheran]] jest [[Glavny grad|glavny]] i največši [[grad]] Irana. Iran jest osmnadsetoju po velikosti državoju na světu. Imaje povyše, než 84.9 milionov ljudij. Iran jest členom [[Organizacija sjedinjenyh narodov|Organizacije sjedinjenyh narodov]] od roka 1945. Jest členom Organizacije eksportujučih naftu držav {{-|([[OPEC]])}}.<ref name="un.org 2009">{{Cite web | title=United Nations Member States | website=un.org | date=2009-04-30 | url=http://www.un.org/en/members/index.shtml | archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20140412154940/http://www.un.org/en/members/index.shtml | archive-date=2014-04-12 | url-status=dead | access-date=2022-12-18}}</ref> Iran jest [[Islamska republika|Islamskoju republikoju]]. Iran jest močnoju državoju v regionu. Imaje mnogo [[Prirodny gaz|prirodnogo gaza]] i [[Nafta|nafty]], čto jest važno za jego [[Ekonomika|ekonomiku]]. Iran takože jest značnym městom Šia Islama. Iran imaje dolgu historiju i bogatu kulturu, zato imaje mnogo osoblivyh měst, poznavajemyh Organizacijeju sjedinjenyh narodov. On takože jest znajemy za svoje kulturne tradicije, kako sut [[muzika]] i [[Tanec|tance]]. Mnogo ljudij posěčajut Iran, dělajuči jego jednoju iz najbrzo rastučih turističnyh destinacij světa. ==Linky i referencije== {{Iztočniky}} ==Vnešnje linky== * ''Tutoj članok sodrživaje prěklad iz članka {{-|«[[:simple:Iran|Iran]]»}} v Vikipediji na prostom anglijskom ([https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Iran&action=history spis avtorov]; dozvoljeńje [[ccorg:licenses/by-sa/4.0/|{{-|CC BY-SA 4.0}}]]).'' {{Državy v Aziji}} [[Kategorija:Iran| ]] [[Kategorija:Državy v Aziji]] {{INTERWIKI|Q794}} dbjcflf3ip0glolxx1yn08pg53xm65b Vikipedija:Krčma 4 1052 28519 28358 2026-07-10T20:50:00Z Ilja isv 10 /* LiMr */ Odgovor 28519 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== LiMr ==== @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :#:{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivny na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje :[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno číslu pravok. Prosím poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST) # ... == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == {{tracked|T429939|open}} Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Patrulovanje == Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. <s>Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo. Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. </s>[[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako "možny vandalizm", "izpraždnjenje stranice" i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::::my imajemo šablon <nowiki>{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} </nowiki>, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) dilkj75f3xy10c5hqonm306ou317ytr 28521 28519 2026-07-10T22:06:56Z Panslavist 34 /* LiMr */ 28521 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== LiMr ==== @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :#:{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivny na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje :[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno číslu pravok. Prosím poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST) :#:{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == {{tracked|T429939|open}} Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Patrulovanje == Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. <s>Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo. Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. </s>[[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako "možny vandalizm", "izpraždnjenje stranice" i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::::my imajemo šablon <nowiki>{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} </nowiki>, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) j28a6drkzvuyx82mda564y2k9201pnj 28522 28521 2026-07-11T00:09:02Z IJzeren Jan 9 /* LiMr */ 28522 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== LiMr ==== @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivny na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno číslu pravok. Prosím poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == {{tracked|T429939|open}} Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Patrulovanje == Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. <s>Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo. Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. </s>[[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako "možny vandalizm", "izpraždnjenje stranice" i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::::my imajemo šablon <nowiki>{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} </nowiki>, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) gxrt1bud2j28rdmtln2kdua4crlodx5 28523 28522 2026-07-11T00:09:35Z IJzeren Jan 9 /* LiMr */ 28523 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== LiMr ==== @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivny na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno číslu pravok. Prosím poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == {{tracked|T429939|open}} Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Patrulovanje == Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. <s>Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo. Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. </s>[[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako "možny vandalizm", "izpraždnjenje stranice" i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::::my imajemo šablon <nowiki>{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} </nowiki>, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) izq18rzk5cdbysoa537rp4yk9ecdqr9 28535 28523 2026-07-11T07:22:38Z Marcoorio 22 /* LiMr */ Odgovor 28535 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== LiMr ==== @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivny na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno číslu pravok. Prosím poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) :{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == {{tracked|T429939|open}} Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Patrulovanje == Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. <s>Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo. Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. </s>[[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako "možny vandalizm", "izpraždnjenje stranice" i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::::my imajemo šablon <nowiki>{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} </nowiki>, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) a33rr0akch6xkcn412xyr4plp5e2gkm 28536 28535 2026-07-11T07:23:52Z Marcoorio 22 /* LiMr */ 28536 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== LiMr ==== @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivny na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno číslu pravok. Prosím poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == {{tracked|T429939|open}} Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Patrulovanje == Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. <s>Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo. Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. </s>[[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako "možny vandalizm", "izpraždnjenje stranice" i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::::my imajemo šablon <nowiki>{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} </nowiki>, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) 8zx6uq5ste08ie6vkglm2l42arb2iob 28537 28536 2026-07-11T07:36:58Z IJzeren Jan 9 /* LiMr */ 28537 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== LiMr ==== @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivny na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno číslu pravok. Prosím poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == {{tracked|T429939|open}} Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Patrulovanje == Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. <s>Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo. Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. </s>[[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako "možny vandalizm", "izpraždnjenje stranice" i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::::my imajemo šablon <nowiki>{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} </nowiki>, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) kc7yqn6wp1fbpiwqp7jg1c6jqq2ombw Levko Revuckyj 0 1244 28492 9718 2026-07-10T13:18:29Z Minorax 40 28492 wikitext text/x-wiki {| class="wikitable" style="float:right; margin:0 0 1em 1em; width:300px; background-color:#f9f9f9;" ! colspan="2" style="background-color:#dcdcdc; text-align:center; font-size:120%;" |Lev Mykolajovyč Revuckyj<br />{{Lang|uk|Лев Миколайович Ревуцький}} |- |'''Obraz''' | <div style="text-align:center;">[[Fajl:Levko Revutsky.jpg | center | 250x250px | Levko Revuckyj]]</div> |- |'''Urodil se''' | 8 (20)<ref name="kalendar">Prva data suglasno [[Juliansky kalendar|julianskomu kalendaru]] (stary stilj), vtora suglasno [[Gregoriansky kalendar|gregorianskomu kalendaru]] (novy stilj).</ref> fevruara 1889 g., Iržavec, Poltavska gubernija, [[Rosija|Rosijska imperija]] |- |'''Umrl''' | 30 marca 1977 g., [[Kyjev]], [[Ukrajinska sovětska socialistična republika|USSR]], [[Sovětsky Sojuz]] |- | '''Obrazovanje''' | Kyjevsky narodny universitet im. Tarasa Ševčenka<br />Narodna muzična akademija Ukrajiny im. P.I. Čajkovskogo |- |'''Znajemy kako''' | [[Ukrajina|Ukrajinsky]] kompozitor, pedagog |} '''Lev (Levko) Mykolajovyč Revuckyj''' ({{Jezyky|uk|Лев (Левко) Миколайович Ревуцький}}, izgovor: {{MFA|lɛu̯ (lɛu̯ˈko) mɪkɔˈɫajɔʋɪt͡ʃ reˈwut͡sʲkɪi̯}}) (Iržavec, [[Poltavska gubernija]], [[Rosija|Rosijska imperija]], 8 (20)<ref name="kalendar" /> fevruara 1889 g. – [[Kyjev]], [[Ukrajina|USSR]], [[Sovětsky Sojuz]], 30 marca 1977 g.) byl [[Ukrajina|ukrajinsky]] kompozitor, pedagog i člen Narodnoj akademije nauk Ukrajiny v časah [[Sovětsky Sojuz|Sovětskogo Sojuza]]. Zajedno s [[Borys Ljatošynskyj|Borysom Ljatošynskym]] jest uvažany jednym iz glavnym i najvlivnějših ukrajinskyh kompozitorov 20. stolětja.<ref>{{Cite book | url = https://uhb.chl.kiev.ua/images/uploaded_files/mbm/1951/pdf/1951.pdf | title = Гордість української музики. Інформаційний бібліографічний список для організаторів дитячого читання до 130-річчя від дня народження українського композитора Левка Миколайовича Ревуцького | first1 = Л.В. | last1 = Бацай | first2 = В.М. | last2 = Красножон | publisher = Міністерство культури України, Національна бібліотека України для дітей | place = Kyjev | year = 2018 | page = 13 | language = uk | access-date = 2025-04-19}}</ref> V jegovyh tvorah ukrajinske teksty i motivy igrajut važnu rolju. == Životopis == === Mladost === Levko Revuckyj urodil se v selu Iržavec, onogda položenom v [[Poltavska gubernija|poltavskoj guberniji]] [[Rosija|Rosijskoj imperije]]. Tako od strany otca kako od strany materi on proizhodil od vidnyh [[Kozaki|kozakov]] i dorastal v intelektualnoj, muzikalnoj sěmji. Jegov otec, Mykola Havrylovyč Revuckyj (1843–1906), prvonačelno byl svečennik, ale poslě smrti svojej prvoj ženy izstupil iz dolžnosti i stal seljansky učitelj. On iměl nezly basovy glas i ljubil pěvati repertuar napisany za tutoj glas. Kromě togo, on igral na skripkě, pri čem jegova žena go suprovadžala. Levkova mati, Oleksandra Dmytrivna Revucka (raněje: Kanivska) (1844-1906) prěd svojeju svatboju byla učiteljka v selu Iržavec, a takože folkloristka. Ona byla obrazovana v internatu za šljahetne děvy i plavno govorila na [[Francuzsky jezyk|francuzskom]] i [[Němečsky jezyk|němečskom]]. Ona igrala na fortepianu i sbirala městne narodne pěsnje. V 1880 g. omužila se s Mykoloju Revuckym. Ona vedla prěpisku s [[Lev Tolstoj|Ljvom Tolstojem]] odnosno organizacije edukacije v selskoj školě, a strětla go lično, kogda Tolstoj posěčal iměnje umětnika Mykoly Ge v Bahmaču.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://libkor.com.ua/php/editions_files/muzey_revuckogo.pdf | first = С. | last = Іволга | title = Музей Л.М. Ревуцького: Путівник | publisher = Чернігівське музичне училище ім. Л.М. Ревуцького | place = Tsjernihiv | year = 2005 | page = 9–11 | language = uk | access-date = 2025-04-18}}</ref> Levko iměl staršego brata, [[Dmytro Revuckyj|Dmytra Mykolajovyča Revuckogo]] (1881–1941), ktory pozdněje stal vidny muzikolog i filolog, a v času němečskoj okupacije Kyjeva v 1941 g. byl ubity, pravdopodobno agentom [[NKVD]].<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://www.uinp.gov.ua/istorychnyy-kalendar/kviten/5/1881-narodyvsya-dmytro-revuckyy-kompozytor-i-folkloryst | title = 1881 – народився Дмитро Ревуцький, композитор і фольклорист | website = Український інститут національної пам’яті | access-date = 2025-04-18 | language = uk}}</ref> === Rane lěta === Suglasno informacij od samogo kompozitora, on uže v vozrastu četyreh lět naučil se muzičnoj notaciji i razvil absolutny sluh, vslěd ktorogo ljudi igrivo nazyvali go «[[kamerton]]om».<ref>Іволга, str. 15.</ref> Kogda mu bylo pet lět, on načel igrati na fortepianu. Od 1898 g. Revuckyj hodil v školu v [[Pryluky|Prylukah]], kde zapoznal majstrovske děla vsesvětskoj i ukrajinskoj kniževnosti. Podčas koncertov on recitoval fragmenty iz [[Jevgenij Onegin|Jevgenija Onegina]] [[Aleksandr Puškin|Aleksandra Puškina]]. [[Fajl:Лисенко Микола (cropped).jpg | thumb | left | 130px | [[Mykola Lysenko]] (1842-1912), «otec ukrajinskoj muziky»]] [[Fajl:Reinhold_Glier.jpg | thumb | left | 130px | [[Rejnhold Glier]] (1875-1956)]] V 1903 g. on zapisal se jednočasno v privatnu gimnaziju Gotliba Valkera v [[Kyjev]]u i v muzičnu školu Mykoly Tutkovskogo, kde dostal fortepianne lekcije od kompozitora [[Mykola Lysenko]]. V 1904 g. on prěšel v novo založenu Muzično-dramatičnu školu Mykola Lysenka,<ref>{{Cite book | url = http://resource.history.org.ua/cgi-bin/eiu/history.exe?&I21DBN=EIU&P21DBN=EIU&S21STN=1&S21REF=10&S21FMT=eiu_all&C21COM=S&S21CNR=20&S21P01=0&S21P02=0&S21P03=TRN=&S21COLORTERMS=0&S21STR=Muzychno_dramatychna | last = Брега | first = Галина Степанівна | chapter = Музично-драматична школа імені М. Лисенка | title = Енциклопедія історії України, т. 10 | editor = В.А. Смолій i dr. | publisher = Інститут історії України НАН України; Наукова думка | place = Kyjev | year = 2010 | page = 123 | isbn = 978-966-00-1061-1 | language = uk}}</ref> ale prěrval tuto obrazovanje poslě nagloj smrti svojih roditeljev v 1906 g. V 1907 g. načel studiovati v Kyjevskom Universitetu, prvonačelno v Fizično-matematičnom fakultetu, a od 1908 g. v Fakultetu prava. Okolo tutogo perioda on načel komponovati muziku: pěsnje, miniatury za fortepiano, fortepiannu sonatu i prvu čest fortepiannogo koncerta.<ref name="ukrainianlive">{{Cite web | url = https://ukrainianlive.org/revutskyi-levko | title = Levko Revutskyi. Biography | first1 = Lyubov | last1 = Kiyanovska | first2 = Teresa | last2 = Mazepa | first3 = Natalia | last3 = Syrotynska | website = ukrainianlive.com | language = en | access-date = 2025-04-18}}</ref> Na žalost večinstvo Revuckynyh tvorov iz tutogo perioda utratilo se.<ref>{{Cite book | url = https://www.academia.edu/37627424/%D0%A2%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%87%D1%96%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C_%D0%9B%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%83%D1%86%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE_pdf | author = Наталія Кобрин | title = Творчість Левка Ревуцького в контексті української музичної культури ХХ ст.: Методична розробка | place = Ljviv | year = 2013 | language = uk | page = 21}}</ref> [[Fajl:Ревуцький Л.jpg | thumb | right | Levko Revuckyj s svojeju ženoju Sofijeju (1916)]] Revuckyj vratil se k muzičnomu obrazovanju v 1913 g. v novo osnovanoj [[Kyjevska konservatorija|Kyjevskoj konservatoriji]]: on vstupil v klasu kompozicije [[Rejnhold Glier|Rejnholda Gliera]] i v klasu fortepiana Serhija Korotkevyča i Hryhorija Hodorovskogo. V tutom periodu on napisal medžu drugymi svoju Simfoniju nr. 1.<ref name="encyclopediaofukraine">{{Cite web | url = https://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkpath=pages%5CR%5CE%5CRevutskyLev.htm | author = Antin Rudnytsky | title = Revutsky, Lev | work = Internet Encyclopedia of Ukraine | access-date = 2025-04-18 | language = en}}</ref> Završil konservatoriju na osnově tutoj simfonije kako diplomnoj raboty, ktoru diplomna komisija ocěnila «odličnoju». Jednakože jegov prvobytny plan, da by razširil ju do simfonije v četyreh čestah, konečno ne realizoval se: v tečenju [[Prva vsesvětska vojna|Prvoj vsesvětskoj vojny]] rukopis utratil se, a toliko v 1950-yh lětah Revuckyj reprodukoval ju iz pameti kako dělo v jednoj česti.<ref>Іволга, str. 27.</ref> V 1916 g. Revuckyj takože završil svoju studiju prava. V tomže samom godu vstupil v [[vojsko]], a v 1917 g. podčas [[Prva vsesvětska vojna|Prvoj vsesvětskoj vojny]] byl poslany na front, kde služil do 1918 g. === Uspěšne lěta kompozitora === Poslě demobilizacije Revuckyj vratil se v rodime zemje. V tečenju lět 1919–1924 učil v školě, a kromě togo rukovodil několikymi seljanskymi horami v Iržavcu i Prylukah. V tutom periodu napisal medžu drugymi kantatu ''Hustyna'' («Nosovka»). V 1924 g. vrnul se v Kyjev i stal učitelj Muzično-dramatičnogo instituta imeni Mykoly Lysenka, kde raněje dostal čest svojego muzičnogo obrazovanja. Revuckyj razcvětl v živoj, kreativnoj artističnoj obsrědině v Kyjevu 1920-yh lět. K jegovym važnějšim tvoram tutogo perioda naleži jegova Simfonija nr. 2 (1926–1927), znajema kako prvo značimo ukrajinsko dělo tutogo žanra. Kromě togo, on napisal pěsnje, tvory za hor, piesy za děti i prětvorky narodnyh pěsnij.<ref name="ukrainianlive" /> Vslěd reorganizacije sistemy muzičnoj edukacije Muzično-dramatičny institut imeni Mykoly Lysenko byl likvidovany, v takom smyslu, že stal čest ponovno osnovanoj Kyjevskoj konservatorije. Revuckyj stal rukovoditelj děla kompozicije i muzičnoj teorije, a v 1935 g. dobyl dostojenstvo profesora. Od 1932 g. on takože izpolnjal razne dolžnosti v Ukrajinskom svezu sovětskyh kompozitorov.<ref name="encyklopedija">{{Cite book | url = http://resource.history.org.ua/cgi-bin/eiu/history.exe?&I21DBN=EIU&P21DBN=EIU&S21STN=1&S21REF=10&S21FMT=eiu_all&C21COM=S&S21CNR=20&S21P01=0&S21P02=0&S21P03=TRN=&S21COLORTERMS=0&S21STR=Revutskyj_L | last = Кузик | first = Валентина Володимирівна | chapter = Ревуцький Лев Миколайович | title = Енциклопедія історії Україны | publisher = Інститут історії України | language = uk}}</ref> [[Fajl:Левка Ревуцького могила.jpg | thumb | right | Poprsje Revuckogo na jegovoj mogylě na grobišču Bajkove v Kyjevu]] Jednakože Revuckyj, takože samo kako mnogi onogdašnji kompozitori v Sovětskom Sojuzu, iz pričiny narastajučej represije za vlady [[Iosif Stalin|Stalina]] v 1930-yh lětah ne iměl legko žitje. Ostra kritika iz strany avtoritetov za jegov Fortepianny koncert nr. 2 (1934), ktorogo premiera odbyla se v 1936 g. i ktory prvonačelno nazyval se «Poema superničstva»,<ref>Prvonačelno tvor nosil podzaglavje «Poema superničstva» ({{Jezyky|uk|Поема змагання}}) i byl posvečeny sovětskoj mladeži. Pozdněje Revuckyj odstranil tuto podzaglavje.<br />{{Cite book | title = Український радянський фортепіанний концерт | last = Тимофєєв | first = В. | publisher = Музична Україна | place = Kyjev | year = 1972 | page = 31 | language = uk}}</ref> prinudila Revuckogo, da by umenšil svoju kompozitorsku dějateljnost i bolje susrědotočil se na svojej pedagogičnoj rabotě. Togda on takože načel zajmati se prětvorjenjem vlastnogo i čudžego tvorčestva. V 1937 g., napriklad, zajedno s [[Borys Ljatošynskyj|Borysom Ljatošynskym]] sdělal novu instrumentaciju [[Mykola Lysenko|Lysenkovoj]] opery [[Taras Buljba]]. Kromě togo, on dovršil i orkestroval Fortepianny koncert C-dur umršego v 1938 g. kompozitora [[Viktor Kosenko]], i v 1940 g. sdělal revidovanu versiju svojej Simfonije nr. 2. Za toj poslědnji tvor byl nagradženy ''Stalinskoju premijeju'' v 1941 g., prěvozhodeči prědloženy tvor [[Sergej Prokofjev|Sergeja Prokofjeva]] ''Aleksandr Nevskij'', pravdopodobno kako kompensacija za slabo prědstavjenje nerosijskyh republik.<ref name="frolova">{{Cite book | last = Frolova-Walker | first = Marina | title = Stalin's Music Prize: Soviet Culture and Politics | publisher = Yale University Press | year = 2016 | isbn = 9780300208849 | page = 60 | chapter = Chapter Two: The First Year | language = en}}</ref> === Pozdnějša kariera === Lěta [[Vtora vsesvětska vojna|Vtoroj vsesvětskoj vojny]] Revuckyj provodil v [[Taškent]]u, kde v lětah 1941–1944 učil kompoziciju, muzičnu teoriju i muzičnu historiju v Državnoj konservatoriji [[Uzbekistan|Uzbekskoj socialističnoj sovětskoj republiky]].<ref name="encyklopedija" /> Poslě vojny on vrnul se v Kyjev, kde do 1960 g. rabotal profesorom v konservatoriji. Od 1944 do 1948 g. on takože byl prědsědnik upravy Ukrajinskogo sveza sovětskyh kompozitorov. Kromě togo, v lětah 1947–1963 on služil četyri terminy kako člen [[Vrhovna rada|Vrhovnogo sověta Ukrajinskoj socialističnoj sovětskoj republiky]].<ref name="geroj">{{Cite web | url = https://www.warheroes.ru/hero/hero.asp?Hero_id=10233 | title = Ревуцкий Лев Николаевия | website = Герои страны | language = ru | access-date = 2025-04-18}}</ref> Črěz poslědnje trideset lět svojego žitja Revuckyj uže ne komponoval mnogo.<ref name="ukrainianlive" /> Jegove tvory iz tutogo perioda ograničajut se v večinstvu k tvoram naručenym za državu, napriklad horovy tvor «Pěsnja o partiji» ({{Jezyky|uk|Пісня про партію}}), ktory byl čest kolektivnoj kantaty pri okaziji 16-ogo sjezda [[Komunistična partija Sovětskogo Sojuza|KPSS]].<ref>{{Cite journal | url = https://nte.etnolog.org.ua/uploads/2020/2/publications/51.pdf | author = Ірина Сікорська | title = Максим Рильский і Левко Ревуцький: грані співпраці | year = 2020 | journal = Народна творчість та етнологія | issue = 2 (384) | page = 54 | language = uk | access-date = 2025-04-19}}</ref> V 1950-yh lětah on glavno zajmal se izdanjem i popularizovanjem tvorov svojego davnogo učitelja, kompozitora [[Mykola Lysenko|Mykoly Lysenka]]. Od 1958 do 1968 g. on byl člen redakcije Ukrajinskoj sovětskoj enciklopedije ({{Jezyky|uk|Українська радянська енциклопедія}}).<ref name="encyclopediaofukraine" /> V fevruaru 1969 g., pri okaziji svojego osmdesetogo dnja rodženja, Revuckyj byl nagradženy dostojenstvom «Heroja socialističnogo truda».<ref name="geroj" /> On umrl v dnju 30 marca 1977 i jest pogrebeny na grobišču ''Bajkove'' v Kyjevu. == Značenje == [[Fajl:Ревуцкий Лев Николаевич (конверт).jpg | thumb | right | 300px | Koverta iz 1989 g. s izobraženjem Revuckogo vysšego vozrasta]] Levko Revuckyj kreativnym sposobom prodolžal i razširil metody ukrajinskyh kompozitorov kako [[Mykola Lysenko]] i [[Mykola Leontovyč]], ktore harakterizujut se slivanjem folklornyh elementov s harmoničnym mysljenjem konca 19. stolětja. Jegov stilj iztvoril se na osnově glubinnogo znanja narodnyh tem i melodij, ktore prěobražal v tradicijah profesionalnoj muziky i vozbogačal vlastnymi stilističnymi nahodkami. Revuckyno tvorčestvo harakterizuje se lirikoju, bogatostju emocij i sodržanymi, ekspresivnymi melodijami, svezanymi s složenymi harmonijami. On poslužival se velikymi muzičnymi formami, napr. v fortepiannoj sonatě, dvoh fortepiannyh koncertov, dvoh simfonij i kantatě «Hustyna», ale takože napisal menše tvory, napr. preludije za fortepiano, tvory za skripku ili violončelo s fortepianom i veče neželi 120 prětvorok narodnyh pěsnij napr. za glas i fortepiano, v ktoryh najmě fortepianne partije sut interesne.<ref>Кобрин, str. 39.</ref> Jegove simfonične tvory, osoblivo Fortepianny koncert nr. 2 i Simfonija nr. 2, pričisljajut se k majstrovskym dělam ukrajinskoj klasičnoj muziky. Simfonija nr. 2 E-dur {{-|op.}} 12 na ukrajinske narodne temy (1927, revizija v 1940 g.) jest znajema kako prva istinna ukrajinska simfonija i često uvažaje se ju najlěpšim tvorom Revuckogo.<ref>{{Cite book | title = Л. Н. Ревуцкий: Монография | author = М. Бялик | place = Leningrad | year = 1979 | pages = 100-101 | language = ru}}</ref><ref name="ukrainianlive" /> Jednakože vně Ukrajiny jest takože kritika; Marina Frolova-Valker piše, že ona ''«jest prilično završena i privlěkateljna, ačekoli nedostavaje jej originalnost. Ona byla v značnoj měrě napisana v srědině 1920-yh lět, ale byla prěrabotana za izvedenje v 1940 godu (i zvučala tako, ako by byla napisana v 1890-yh lětah)»''.<ref name="frolova" /> Mimohodom trěba primětiti, že prvobytna versija tutoj simfonije iz 1927 goda, o ktoroj dolgo myslilo se, že byla utračena, neočekyvano byla odnajdena i izvedena v 2020 g.<ref>{{Cite web | url = http://mus.art.co.ua/unikal-ne-vydannia-symfonii-2-levka-revuts-koho/ | title = Унікальне видання Симфонії № 2 Левка Ревуцького | author = Валентина Кузик | date=2020-10-30 | website = Музика | language = uk | accessdate = 2025-04-18}}</ref> Pomimo svojej kompozitorskoj raboty Revuckyj takože byl mnogo značimy pedagog. Poslě [[Rosijska revolucija 1917 goda|Rosijskoj revolucije]] i prějetja vlasti boljševikami v 1917 g. narodno tečenje v ukrajinskoj muzikě byla pod velikoju presijeju. Starějši, patriotično orientovani kompozitori, ktori v svojih tvorah posluživali se ukrajinskymi narodnymi temami, napr. Mykola Lysenko, Jakiv Stepovyj, Fedir Jakymenko i Kyrylo Stecenko, umrli v medžučasu, a mnogi drugi prěselili se v zapadne kraje. Mlado pokoljenje, ktoro ostalo, imělo ostražno manevrovati medžu tradicijeju i strogymi ideologičnymi obmedženjami iz [[Moskva|Moskvy]]. To jest osobliva zasluga Levka Revuckogo i jegovogo mladšego sučasnika [[Borys Ljatošynskyj|Borysa Ljatošynskogo]], že na prěkor tyh trudnostij udalo se obrazovati novo pokoljenje ukrajinskyh kompozitorov.<ref>{{Cite web | url = http://www.uchi.us/materials/article1.html | title = An Introduction to Ukrainian Classical Music | author = Taras Filenko | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20040205183645/http://www.uchi.us/materials/article1.html | archive-date = 2004-02-05 | access-date = 2025-04-18 | language = en}}</ref> Srěd studentov Revuckogo sut kompozitori kako Mykola Dremljuha, Vadym Homoljaka, brati Heorhij i Platon Majboroda, Vitalij Kyrejko, Arkadij Filipenko, Leonid Hrabovskyj i Valentyn Sylvestrov. == Nagrady, premije i dostojenstva == [[Fajl:Revucky memorial.jpg | thumb | right| 300px | Pametnik Levku Revuckomu v Kyjevu]] Levko Revuckyj, znamenity ukrajinsky kompozitor i pedagog, za svojego žitja dobyl različne dostojenstva, premije i nagrady: * Četyrikratno Orden črvenoj horugvy truda (1938, 1946, 1951, 1960) * Zasluženy dějatelj umětnostij Ukrajinskoj socialističnoj sovětskoj republiky (1941) * Stalinska premija vtorogo stupnja (1941) za Simfoniju nr. 2 * Narodny artist Ukrajinskoj SSR (1942) * Narodny artist Sovětskogo Sojuza (1944) * Četyri ordeny Lenina (1949, 1953, 1967, 1969) * Državna premija Ukrajinskoj SSR imeni T. Ševčenko (1966) za Fortepianny koncert * Heroj socialističnogo truda (1969) * Medalj za heroičny trud v Velikoj otečstevnoj vojně 1941–1945 V 1989 g. pri okaziji sotnogo goda rodženja Revuckogo v jegovom rodnom selu Iržavcu byla otvorjena muzej-usadba, s pametnoju doskoju i poprsjem.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://ridna.ua/museums/irzhavetskyj-muzej-sadyba-levka-revutskoho/ | title = Іржавецький музей-садиба Левка Ревуцького | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20131112090407/http://ridna.ua/museums/irzhavetskyj-muzej-sadyba-levka-revutskoho/ | archive-date = 2013-11-12 | language = uk | access-date = 2025-04-18}}</ref> Takože na fasadě jegovogo doma v Kyjevu i na želězničnoj stanciji v [[Černihiv|Černihovu]] sut uměščene pametne dosky. Kromě togo v raznyh gradah, medžu drugymi Kyjev, [[Ljviv]], [[Luck]] i [[Černihiv]], nahodet se ulice L.M. Revuckogo.<ref>[https://indexy.com.ua/search?search=%D0%B2%D1%83%D0%BB.+%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%83%D1%86%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE Indexy.com.ua]</ref> Škola v Iržavcu i muzična škola v Černihovu noset jegovo ime.<ref name="geroj" /> K česti Revuckogo v 1982 g. byla založena Premija imeni L.M. Revuckogo ({{Jezyky|uk|Премія імені Л. М. Ревуцького}}). Tuta premija priděljaje se vsakogodišno mladym kompozitoram i muzikantam za stvorjenje i/ili izvedenje tvorov dobyvših široko publično uznanje.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://suspilne.media/culture/952273-stalo-vidomo-hto-zdobuli-premiu-revuckogo-u-2025-roci/#:~:text=%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%83%D1%86%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%20%E2%80%94%20%D1%89%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%96%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%86%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%B0%20%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0%2C%20%D1%8F%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%8E,%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BD%D1%83%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%20%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B8%20%D1%83%201982%20%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%86%D1%96 | first = Оксана | last = Заблоцька | title = Стало відомо, хто здобули премію Ревуцького у 2025 році | website = Суспильне | date = 2025-02-19 | language = uk | access-date = 2025-04-19}}</ref> == Tvory == {| class="wikitable" align="right" style="width:380px; margin-left:1em;" |- ! Poslušajte na YouTube! |- | align=center | [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mHOHCWg07A ''Simfonija nr. 2 E-dur {{-|op.}} 12'']<br /><small>Izvodi: Kyjevsky simfoničny orkestr, dirigent: Luidži Gadžero</small> |- | align=center | [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-Xyom1rU6s ''Koncert za fortepiano s orkestrom nr. 2 F-dur {{-|op.}} 18'']<br /><small>Izvodet: Dina Pysarenko, fortepiano; Kyjevsky simfoničny orkestr, dirigent: Luidži Gadžero<small> |- | align=center | [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deJ3zU07_MU ''Kantata «Hustyna»'']<br /><small>Izvodet: Marija Stefjuk, Oleksandr Djačenko; hor i orkestr Nacionalnoj opery Ukrajiny, dirigent: Lev Venedyktov</small> |- | align=center | [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewcOaxWtZ0A ''Tri preludije {{-|op.}} 4'']<br /><small>Izvodi: Ksenija Vohmjanina, fortepiano</small> |} === Instrumentalne tvory === ;za orkestr * Koncert za fortepiano s orkestrom nr. 1 es-dur {{-|op.}} 2 (utračeny) * Simfonija nr. 1 A-dur {{-|op.}} 3 (1916–1920, rev. 1957) * Skice za simfoničny orkestr na ukrajinske narodne temy (1921) * Simfonija nr. 2 E-dur {{-|op.}} 12 (1927, rev. 1940) * Kozačok ({{Jezyky|uk|Козачок}}) (1929) * Moldavska kolěbanka za oboj s orkestrom (1932) * Koncert za fortepiano s orkestrom nr. 2 F-dur {{-|op.}} 18 (1934, rev. 1961) * Uvertura do opery ''Taras Buljba'' [[Mykola Lysenko|Mykoly Lysenka]] (1952) ;za kamerny ansambl * Strunny kvartet na ukrajinske narodne temy (skice, 1924) * {{-|Intermezzo}} ({{Jezyky|uk|Інтермецо}}) za skripku s fortepianom {{-|op.}} 10 (1926) * Menuet za skripku s fortepianom na ukrajinske narodne temy (1926) * Sonata za skripku s fortepianom (skice, 1926) * Moldavska kolěbanka za oboj s fortepianom (1932) * Balada za violončelo s fortepianom {{-|op.}} 20 (1933) * Tri melodije iz [[Uzbekistan]]a ({{Lang|uk|''Узбецькі пісні''}} «Uzbekske pěsnje») za klarnet s fortepianom (1943–1944) ;za fortepiano * Vals B-dur (1909, rev. 1951) * Polonez A-dur (1909) * Sonata h-moll (1912, rev. 1949) * Tri preludije {{-|op.}} 4 (1913–1914) * Dvě preludije {{-|op.}} 7 (1918–1921) * Dvě preludije {{-|op.}} 11 (1924) * Kanon b-moll (1927) * Diptih «Pěsnja. Humoreska» (1929) * Dvě transkripcije organnyh fug [[Johann Sebastian Bach|J.S. Baha]] * Improvizacija * Tri dětske piesy * Dvě etjudy === Vokalne i vokalno-instrumentalne tvory === ;Vokalne tvory s simfoničnym orkestrom * Horova opera ''Ščoroku'' ({{Jezyky|uk|Щороку''}} «Vsakogodišno») na slova [[Oleksandr Oleś|Oleksandra Oleśa]], 1. čest (ok. 1923) * Kantata-poema ''Hustyna'' ({{Jezyky|uk|Хустина}} «Nosovka») na slova [[Taras Ševčenko|Tarasa Ševčenka]] (fortepianna versija 1922, orkestralna versija 1944) * {{Lang|uk|''Уперед, хто не хоче конати''}} «Vprěd, kto ne hoče umrěti» na slova Pavla Hrabovskogo (1924) * {{Lang|uk|''Зима''}} «Zima» na slova Oleksandra Oleśa (1924) * {{Lang|uk|''Ой, весна красна''}} «Oj, vesna krasna» na slova [[Maksym Ryljskyj|Maksyma Ryljskogo]] (1952) * {{Lang|uk|''Ода пісні''}} «Oda pěsnji» na slova Maksyma Ryljskogo (1956) ;Tvory za glas s orkestrom * {{Lang|uk|''Монолог Тараса Бульби''}} «Monolog Tarasa Buljby» na slova Maksyma Ryljskogo, na osnově pověsti [[Nikolaj Gogolj|Nikolaja Gogolja]] (1956) * Četyri ukrajinske narodne pěsnje: {{Lang|uk|''Червона ружа''}} «Črvena roza», {{Lang|uk|''Їхав козак''}} («Jehal kozak») (1928), {{Lang|uk|''Та ой крикнули журавлі''}} «Oj, i kriknuli žeravi», {{Lang|uk|''Чуєш, брате мій''}} «Slyšiš, brate moj» (1959) ;Pěsnje za glas s fortepianom * {{Lang|ru|''Из слез моих''}} «Iz solz mojih» na slova [[Heinrich Heine|Hajnriha Hajne]] (1907) * {{Lang|uk|''Східна мелодія''}} «Vozhodna melodija» na slova [[Lesja Ukrajinska|Lesje Ukrajinky]] (1922–1923) * {{Lang|uk|''Ну розкажи ж''}} «Nu razkaži že» na slova I. Homenka (1922–1923) * {{Lang|uk|''Дума про трьох вітрів''}} «Duma<ref>''Duma'' jest ustno prěkazana epična kozačska pěsnja, tradicijno recitovana putujučimi ukrajinskymi bardami ([[kobzar]]ami) pod instrumentalnym suprovodženjem.</ref> o treh větrah» na slova Pavla Tyčyny (1925) * {{Lang|uk|''Тиша''}} «Tišina» na vlastne slova (1922–1923) * {{Lang|uk|''Де ті слова''}} «Kde sut te slova» {{-|op.}} 8 nr. 1 na slova Oleksandra Oleśa (1924) * {{Lang|uk|''Проса покошено''}} «Prosa sut pokošene» {{-|op.}} 8 nr. 2 na slova Maksyma Ryljskogo (1924) ;Tvory za hor * {{-|A capella}} ** {{Lang|uk|''На ріках, круг Вавилона''}} «Na rěkah, okolo Babilona» {{-|op.}} 13 na slova Tarasa Ševčenka (1923) ** {{Lang|uk|''Гукайте їх''}} «Poklicajte jih» {{-|op.}} 14 na slova Mykoly Filjanskogo (1923) ** {{Lang|uk|''Серце музики''}} «Srdce muziky''» {{-|op.}} 17 na slova Mykoly Voronogo (1922–1923) ** {{Lang|uk|''У перетику ходила''}} «V kusty hodila» na slova Tarasa Ševčenka (1924) ** {{Lang|uk|''Гімн чернечий''}} «Himn monahov» na slova Tarasa Ševčenka (1924) ** {{Lang|uk|''Оборонцям свободи''}} «Zaščitnikam svobody» na slova Oleksandra Kovalenka (1925) ** {{Lang|uk|''Сльози дівочі''}} «Děvje solzy» na slova [[Ivan Franko|Ivana Franka]] (1925) ** {{Lang|uk|''На залізних дверях''}} «Na želěznyh dverah» na slova Maksyma Ryljskogo (1925) ** {{Lang|uk|''Ой чого ти почорніло''}} «Oj, čemu ty počrnělo» na slova Tarasa Ševčenka (1927) ** {{Lang|uk|''Татарська революційна пісня''}} «Tatarska revolucijna pěsnja» (1928) ** {{Lang|uk|''Війна війні''}} «Vojna vojně» na slova [[Volodymyr Sosjura|Volodymyra Sosjury]] (1930) ** {{Lang|uk|''Ой одна, я одна''}} «Oj jedna, jesm jedna» na slova Tarasa Ševčenka (1938) * Okolo petdeseti tvorov za hor s suprovodženjem fortepiana ili orkestra ;Prětvorky narodnyh pěsnij * 39 tvorov za glas i fortepiano, medžu drugymi: ** {{Lang|uk|''Сонечко''}} «Solnečko» (1925) ** Cikl {{Lang|uk|''Галицькі пісні''}} «Galičske pěsnje» (1926) ** Cikl {{Lang|uk|''Козацькі пісні''}} «Kozačske pěsnje» (1926) * Četyri balkarske pěsnje (1926) ** {{Lang|uk|''Ой, долай''}}, balkarska narodna pěsnja za glas i fortepianno trio (1929) * Tvory za hor {{-|a capella}}, medžu drugymi: ** Ukrajinske narodne pěsnje v sborniku «Ukrajinske dumy i historične pěsnje» ({{Jezyky|uk|Українські думи та історичні пісні}}) (1919) * 16 tvorov za hor i fortepiano, medžu drugymi: ** {{Lang|uk|''Три веснянки''}} «Tri vesenne tance» (1926) * {{Lang|uk|''Ой ти, зоре''}} «Oj ty, zvězdo» za mužsky hor s orkestrom (1932, rev. 1944) === Muzika za teatr i do filmov === * Skice za operu {{Lang|uk|''Купальська ніч''}} «Noč Kupala» na osnově pověsti [[Nikolaj Gogolj|Nikolaja Gogolja]] * Muzika do inscenizacije ''Kamenjarov'' ({{Jezyky|uk|Каменярі}}) Ivana Franka (1926) * Muzika do filma ''Zemja'' ({{Jezyky|uk|''Земля}}) (rež. [[Oleksandr Dovženko]]) (1930) * Muzika do filma ''Stepove pěsnje'' ({{Jezyky|uk|Степові пісні}}) (rež. Jakiv Urinov) (1933) * Muzika do dramy ''Bohdan Hmeljnyckyj'' ({{Jezyky|uk|Богдан Хмельницький}}) * Muzika do dramy ''Marusja Bohuslavka'' ({{Jezyky|uk|Маруся Богуславка}}) * Muzika do radio-emisij === Ostale === * Redakcija 1. česti Koncerta za fortepiano s orkestrom C-dur [[Viktor Kosenko|Viktora Kosenka]] * Redakcija i dopolnjenje opery ''Taras Buljba'' Mykoly Lysenka == Iztočniky == {{Iztočniky}} == Literatura == * {{Cite book | url = https://uhb.chl.kiev.ua/images/uploaded_files/mbm/1951/pdf/1951.pdf | title = Гордість української музики. 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Lavreat [[Nagrada Leninskogo komsomola|nagrady Leninskogo komsomola]] (1975). Byl členom [[Sojuz pisateljev Rosije|Sojuza pisateljev Rosije]]. Zadornov jest počel svoju karieru aktora i dramaturga v 1970-h lětah v studentskom teatru [[Moskovsky aviačny institut|MAI]]. V srědině 1980-h lět rukovodil oddělom satiry i humora v [[Žurnal «Junost»|žurnalu «Junost»]]. Prvonačelno, jegove humoristične povědky i monology sut čitali na scenah drugi aktori. V 1980-h lětah on počel izstupati samostojno i dobyl sobě široku izvěstnost<ref name="meduza">{{Cite news|title=Умер писатель-сатирик Михаил Задорнов — Meduza|author=|url=https://meduza.io/news/2017/11/10/umer-pisatel-satirik-mihail-zadornov|work=Meduza|date=|access-date=2017-11-11|archive-date=2017-11-10|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20171110155402/https://meduza.io/news/2017/11/10/umer-pisatel-satirik-mihail-zadornov}}</ref>. Jest byl avtorom liričnyh i satiričnyh razkazov, humoresok, esejev, putnyh zapisok i pies. On jest takože znany kako avtor amaterskyh hipotez v oblasti etimologije russkyh slov i historije slovjan<ref name="meduza" />, uvažajemyh v različnyh iztočnikah, vključno specialistov, kako [[Lženauka|psevdonaučne]] (psevdolingvistične i psevdohistorične)<ref>{{Cite web |title=Лженаука Михаила Задорнова |url=https://www.nlb.by/content/news/library-news/lzhenauka-mikhaila-zadornova_2059/ |publisher=[[Национальная библиотека Беларуси]] |date=2010-01-17 |access-date=2024-05-27 |archive-date=2024-12-07 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20241207110226/https://www.nlb.by/content/news/library-news/lzhenauka-mikhaila-zadornova_2059/ |url-status=live }}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |title=ВРАЛ-2017 |url=https://www.trv-science.ru/2017/08/vral-2017/ |publisher=[[Троицкий вариант — Наука]] |date=2017-08-29 |access-date=2024-05-27 |archive-date=2024-05-27 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240527174055/https://www.trv-science.ru/2017/08/vral-2017/ |url-status=live }}</ref>. Syn pisatelja, zasluženogo dějatelja kultury Latvijskoj SSR [[Nikolaj Zadornov|Nikolaja Zadornova]] (1909—1992). Suglasno anketovanju [[Vserosijsky centr izslědovanja spoločenskogo mněnja|VCIOM]], opublikovanomu 1 aprila 2019 goda, Mihail Zadornov jest zajel prvo město medžu humoristov, omiljenyh rosijanami<ref>{{Cite web|lang=ru|url=https://wciom.ru/analytical-reviews/analiticheskii-obzor/kto-smeshnee-shutit-|title=Кто смешнее шутит? Старые добрые юмористы отечественного ТВ обходят по популярности многих современных комиков / wciom.ru, 1 апреля 2019|date=2019-04-01|publisher=ВЦИОМ|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20220401070356/https://wciom.ru/analytical-reviews/analiticheskii-obzor/kto-smeshnee-shutit-|archive-date=2022-04-01|access-date=2022-06-30|url-status=live}}</ref>. Pod vlivanjem Zadornova, psevdolingvistične ideje počeli široko prědavati se v medijah. Svezane s Zadornovym nenaučne prědstavy o historije i jezyku sut dostali nazvu «[[wikt:задорновщина|zadornovščina]]»<ref>{{Cite journal|author=[[Клейн, Лев Самуилович|Клейн Л. С.]] |title=Еще один сказ о лехитских варягах. Продолжение спора |publisher=Stratum plus. Археология и культурная антропология |year=2014 |url=https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/esche-odin-skaz-o-lehitskih-varyagah-prodolzhenie-spora |issue=5 |page=341 |archive-date=2024-05-27 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240527141807/https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/esche-odin-skaz-o-lehitskih-varyagah-prodolzhenie-spora }}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |author=Михаил Лидин |title=Разоблачение задорновщины — Рюрик. Потерянная быль [Скепсис-обзор] |url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx6ImYDuso8 |date=2014-06-20 |access-date=2024-05-27 |archive-date=2024-05-27 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240527141801/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx6ImYDuso8&gl=US&hl=en |url-status=live }}</ref>. == Životopis i profesionalna činnost == === Ranje lěta === Mihail Zadornov se narodil 21 julija 1948 goda v Jurmalě. Učil se v Rižskoj srědnoj školě № 10.<ref> {{Cite web|url=http://zadornov.ks.ua/pages/bio.htm |date=2013-10-29| title = Михаил Задорнов. Биография}}</ref> V jednom iz izstupjenij rěkl, že najprvo izšel na scenu vo vtoroj klasě školy, kogdy igral Rěpku v jednoimennoj skazkě. Pri tom «iztegal se tako elegantno, že jemu sut křičeli: „Bis, bravo!“, kako by „iztegnete jego ješče raz“».<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.ural.kp.ru/daily/25758.4/2743689/|title=Михаил Задорнов: «Прохоров - ещё ребёнок»|publisher=[[Комсомольская правда]]|date=2011-09-22|access-date=2023-10-12|archive-date=2011-11-09|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20111109081755/http://ural.kp.ru/daily/25758.4/2743689/|url-status=live}}</ref> Podolg vlastnyh slov, pobědil v matematičnoj olimpiadě i byl za to nagradžen fotokameroju FED.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.mk.ru/editions/daily/article/2000/12/27/115188-vse-izza-babok.html|title=Все из-за “бабок”|publisher=[[Московский комсомолец]]|date=2000-12-27|access-date=2023-06-26|author=Елизавета Маетная|archive-date=2023-06-26|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20230626181136/https://www.mk.ru/editions/daily/article/2000/12/27/115188-vse-izza-babok.html|url-status=live}}</ref> Podolg dvoh lět se učil v Rižskom politehničnom institutu. Zavzety razkazom studenta MAI<ref name=Gordon1>{{Youtube|t1mb_CJVl8A|Михаил Задорнов. «В гостях у Дмитрия Гордона». 1/5 (2010)}}</ref>, prěvedl se s izguboju jednogo roka na fakultet «Motory letalovyh aparatov» Moskovskogo aviačnogo instituta na specialnost inžener mehanik. Iz-za tajnosti, v nazvanju specialnosti hybi kosmična tematika, ale Zadornov jest studoval motory kosmičnyh aparatov.<ref name=Gordon1/> MAI absolvoval v roku 1974. В 1974—1978 lětah jest rabotal na katedrě onogo instituta «Aviačno-kosmična teplotehnika» kako inžener, potom kako veduči inžener. V 1970—1980-e lěta on jest umětničsky rukovoditelj, scenovy režiser i aktor studentskogo agitacijnogo teatra MAI «Rosija». S tutym kolektivom jest putoval po mnogyh kutah SSSR i vsesojuznyh strojiščah, dobyl Nagradu Leninskogo komsomola. === Smrt === Na početku oktobra 2016 jest stalo izvěstno, že Zadornov byl iměl iznajdenym mozgovy rak. On jest umrl 10 novembra 2017 goda v 9:15 moskovskogo časa<ref name="dated">{{Cite news|title=Дорогие друзья и поклонники Михаила! - Михаил Задорнов|author=|url=http://zadornov.net/2017/11/dorogie-druzya-i-poklonniki-mihaila/|work=Михаил ЗАДОРНОВ|date=2017-11-10|access-date=2017-11-10|language=ru|archive-date=2020-09-23|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200923225818/http://zadornov.net/2017/11/dorogie-druzya-i-poklonniki-mihaila/}}</ref> v jednoj iz moskovskyh klinik na 70-m godu života.<ref>{{Cite news|title=Кобзон рассказал о смерти Михаила Задорнова|url=https://ren.tv/novosti/2017-11-10/kobzon-raskryl-podrobnosti-smerti-mihaila-zadornova|publisher=[[РЕН ТВ]]|date=2017-11-10|access-date=2017-11-10|lang=ru|archive-date=2017-11-10|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20171110171949/https://ren.tv/novosti/2017-11-10/kobzon-raskryl-podrobnosti-smerti-mihaila-zadornova}}</ref> Prezident Rosije Vladimir Putin jest izrazil svoju sužalost.<ref>{{Cite news|title=Путин выразил соболезнования в связи со смертью Михаила Задорнова|url=http://ren.tv/novosti/2017-11-10/putin-vyrazil-soboleznovaniya-v-svyazi-so-smertyu-mihaila-zadornova|work=РЕН ТВ|date=2017-11-10|access-date=2017-11-10|archive-date=2017-11-10|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20171110120204/http://ren.tv/novosti/2017-11-10/putin-vyrazil-soboleznovaniya-v-svyazi-so-smertyu-mihaila-zadornova}}</ref> Razlučanje s Mihailom Zadornovym se slučilo 12 novembra 2017 goda v zatvorjenom režimu.<ref>{{Cite news |title=Прощание с Михаилом Задорновым проходит в закрытом режиме |url=https://www.gazeta.ru/culture/news/2017/11/12/n_10807226.shtml |work=Газета.Ru |access-date=2017-11-12 |archive-date=2017-11-15 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20171115083228/https://www.gazeta.ru/culture/news/2017/11/12/n_10807226.shtml }}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |url=http://tass.ru/obschestvo/4721745 |title=Прощание с Михаилом Задорновым в Москве пройдёт в закрытом режиме |access-date=2017-11-12 |archive-date=2017-11-12 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20171112203828/http://tass.ru/obschestvo/4721745 |url-status=live }}</ref> Pogrěben 15 novembra 2017 na rižskom Lesnom grobišču při grobu otca, po odpěvanju v městnoj crkvi Aleksandra Nevskogo.<ref>{{Cite news |title=Спасибо всем, кто поддержал нас в эти тяжёлые дни - Михаил Задорнов |url=http://zadornov.net/2017/11/spasibo-vsem-kto-podderzhal-nas-v-ehti-tyazhelye-dni/ |work=Михаил Задорнов |date=2017-11-13 |access-date=2017-11-14 |language=ru |archive-date=2017-11-14 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20171114041020/http://zadornov.net/2017/11/spasibo-vsem-kto-podderzhal-nas-v-ehti-tyazhelye-dni/}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |url=http://www.m-necropol.ru/zadornov-mihail.html |title=Задорнов Михаил Николаевич (1948—2017) |access-date=2024-02-11 |archive-date=2022-12-03 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20221203200848/http://www.m-necropol.ru/zadornov-mihail.html |url-status=live }}</ref><ref>{{Cite news|title=Отец Алексий: Михаила Задорнова отпоют в рижском храме, где крестили 30 лет назад|url=http://oane.ws/2017/11/11/otec-aleksiy-mihaila-zadornova-otpoyut-v-rizhskom-hrame-gde-krestili-30-let-nazad.html|work=Интересные новости OAnews|access-date=2018-02-18|language=ru|archive-date=2018-02-19|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180219090130/http://oane.ws/2017/11/11/otec-aleksiy-mihaila-zadornova-otpoyut-v-rizhskom-hrame-gde-krestili-30-let-nazad.html}}</ref><ref>{{Cite news|title=Галкин резко опроверг слухи о лечении и крещении Михаила Задорнова|url=https://www.anews.com/p/80263479-galkin-rezko-oproverg-sluhi-o-lechenii-i-kreshhenii-mihaila-zadornova/|date=2017-11-14|access-date=2018-02-18|archive-date=2018-02-18|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180218210236/https://www.anews.com/p/80263479-galkin-rezko-oproverg-sluhi-o-lechenii-i-kreshhenii-mihaila-zadornova/}}</ref> == Kariera == Zadornov jest debutoval na Centralnoj televiziji SSSR (dnes "1. kanal" TV Rosije) v 1982 godu s monologom «Pismo studenta domoj». Istinna popularnost jest prišla v 1984 lětu, kogda v programu «Vokrug směha» on jest pročital svoj fejeton «Dva devety vagony», ktory jest Zadornovu prinesl široku izvěstnost. <ref>{{Cite news|title=Биография Михаила Задорнова|url=http://tass.ru/info/4717277|work=ТАСС|access-date=2017-11-13|language=ru|archive-date=2017-11-12|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20171112030337/http://tass.ru/info/4717277}}</ref> V 1984—1985 lětah dělal kako načelnik odděla satiry i humora literaturnogo žurnala «Junost». Povědky i miniatury Zadornova sut čitali so sceny mnogi izvěstni artisti, a od konca 1980-h lět on jest počel sam čitati svoje děla. Od početka 1990-h lět byl jest avtorom i TV prezentorom izvěstnyh televizijnyh programov: «Anšlag», «Směhopanorama», «Satiričny prognoz», «Dočerky-materi». [[Fajl:Krylatskoye District, Moscow, Russia - panoramio (50) (cropped).jpg|thumb|right|270px|Dom, kde jest žil Mihail Zadornov.<br>Moskva, Osennjaja ulica, dom 4, korpus 2]] V 1990-h lětah jest izdavano několik knig Zadornova: «Konec světa», «Ne razuměju!», «Vozvračenje», jednoaktna komedija «Suvrěmenne ljudi», vesela piesa za smutno kino «Puloverčik», četyrehtomnik — «Velika država s neprědivlivoju minulostju», «My jesmo vsi iz "Či-Či-Či-Pi», «Drobnějše zvězdy», «Zadorinky». Snimal se v filmah «Genij» (1991), «Depresija» (1991), «Hčem vašego muža» (1992). Spektakly, postavjene po piesě Zadornova «Poslědno pokušanje», sut v programah několika rosijskyh teatrov. Spektakl «Vesna», postavjeny po povědkah Mihaila Zadornova<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://galerka-omsk.ru/spectacle/poslednjaja-popytka/ |title=Спектакль «Последняя попытка» на сайте Омского драматического театра «Галёрка» |access-date=2018-03-13 |archive-date=2018-03-14 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180314042842/http://galerka-omsk.ru/spectacle/poslednjaja-popytka/ |url-status=live }}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |url=https://kazachiy-theatre.ru/collectiv/truppa/84-oksana-solovyeva |title=Спектакль «Последняя попытка» на сайте Волгоградского музыкально-драматического Казачьего театра |access-date=2020-04-29 |archive-date=2018-06-14 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180614094742/http://kazachiy-theatre.ru/collectiv/truppa/84-oksana-solovyeva |url-status=live }}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |url=http://m-g-t.ru/performance/vesna |title=Спектакль «Весна» на сайте Московского губернского театра |access-date=2018-03-13 |archive-date=2018-03-22 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180322163517/http://m-g-t.ru/performance/vesna |url-status=live }}</ref> jest vključeny v program Moskovskogo gubernskogo teatra od lěta 2017. [[Fajl:Zadornov mn.jpg|thumb|right|Prezentacija knigy, 2008]] Zadornov jest vedl vlastny [https://web.archive.org/web/20120120072832/http://www.mk.ru/blog/30-blog-mihaila-zadornova.html blog] na sajtu gazety «Moskovsky komsomolec». === «Arijsko» proishodženje slovjan === Zadornov zajemal se o proizhodženju slovjan, ktoro razgledal v ramkah slovjanskogo novopaganstva, i takože jest propagoval ideju o proizhodženju slovjan od «arijcev» («drěvnyh arijev»), utvrdžal o «veličju slovjano-arijskyh prědkov», «prědnosti» slovjan nad Zapadom i pradomovině evropejcev v legendarnoj Hiperboreji. Sebe Zadornov jest definoval kako «paganca ery Vodolěja». Psevdohistoričnym pogledam Zadornova na temu historije Rusi sut posvěčene jegove knigy «Paganec ery Vodolěja», «Slava Rodu», «Tretje uho» i dr. Zadornov jest razděljal světopogled Valerija Čudinova, znajemogo glavno kako avtora psevdonaučnyh teorij v oblastah historie i lingvistiky, ktory tvrdil, že prvoju civilizacijeju v historii byla «slovjanska vědičska civilizacija», i že mnoge narody sut byli rusami.<ref name = Мороз >{{Cite book|author=Мороз Е. Л.|chapter=Неоязычество в России |title=Цена ненависти. Национализм в России и противодействие расистским преступлениям: (сборник статей) |url=http://www.sova-center.ru/files/books/cn05-text.pdf |editor=Сост. [[Верховский, Александр Маркович|А. М. Верховский]] |place=М. |publisher=[[Информационно-аналитический центр «Сова»|Центр «Сова»]] |year=2005 |page=215 |isbn=5-98418-005-7 |access-date=2024-05-28 |archive-date=2012-07-26 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120726174120/http://www.sova-center.ru/files/books/cn05-text.pdf |url-status=live }}</ref> Zadornov takože razděljal ideje Vladimira Ščerbakova i Genadija Grineviča o slovjanskom jezyku etruskoj pismenosti i «kretskogo diska». Ne dělajuči razliku medžu etruskimy nadpisami i «Velesovoju knigoju», utvrdžal, že etruski, ktori, podolg jemu, sut byli rusi, pisali sut «na doskah» (odsylanje k «Velesovoj knigě»). Podtrimoval ideju o velikoj russkoj civilizaciji, jestvovavšej zadolgo prěd Rjurikom. === Amaterska etimologija === Od 2006 goda Zadornov v ramkah ideologie slovjanskogo novopaganstva v svojih monologah, razgovorah, internetovom blogu i na drugyh medijah aktivno vystupoval s mnogymi amaterskymi praktikami v etimologiji russkyh slov, protirěčnymi lungvističnoj naukě, ale dělal to s humorom, začto tute priměry psevdoetimologije byli popularne. Amaterske etimologije on jest dobyval s pomočju metod, podobnyh metodam novopaganskogo pisatelja Sergeja Aleksejeva, s koristanjem harakternoj za novoopagancev tehniky «razkryvanja» «glubokyh», «prvonačelnyh» značenij slov russkogo jezyka črez jihno drobjenje na proizvoljno interpretujeme česti. Priměr formulacije «hipotezy» Zadornova: <blockquote>«…Kako se moglo stati, že taky razumny narod iznenada izčeznul iz historije? I opet davnym-davno, na zemje [[Arijcy#Neopaganstvo|arijev]] jest počel napolzati lednik. Museli naši prědki sjeti so svojih sevěrnyh nasedenyh měst i idti za solncem. Tako arijci sut razsejali se — od slova «Rasseja» — na množstvo plemen, narodov po vsemu tutčasnomu našemu kontinentu od Indije do Evropy. Ale solnečno ''Ra'' jest vošlo v druge jezyky, daže v grečsky i latinu:<ref name="1tv">[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p04boZ7QC-c М. Задорнов на Первом канале] {{Cite web|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p04boZ7QC-c |title= «Гордон Кихот», Первый канал (Россия), 19.09.2008|date=2019-02-23}} </ref> Литерату-''ра'', культу-''ра'', г-''ра''-мота и… сати-''ра'' Б-''ра'', люст-''ра'', ''ра''-мпа, фа-''ра''…»</blockquote> «Komsomoljskaja pravda» cituje polno satirično izstupjenje Zadornova, kde tvrdženje odnosno «Ra-teorije» bylso sdělano v kontekstu i v redu s naslědujučimi:<ref>{{Cite news|title=Михаил Задорнов: "Тайны русского языка"|first=|last=|url=https://www.spb.kp.ru/daily/24235.3/434554/|work=KP.RU - сайт «Комсомольской правды»|date=2009-01-29|access-date=2017-11-15|language=ru|archive-date=2017-11-16|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20171116024553/https://www.spb.kp.ru/daily/24235.3/434554/}}</ref> * {{Lang|ru|богатырь}} (bogatyr) jest stvorěno iz dvoh slov — {{-|''«бог»''}} i {{-|''«тырить»''}} («tyriti» označalo «nagromaditi»). Bogatyr — toj, ktory jest nagromadil v sebe Boga; * {{Lang|ru|небеса}} (nebesa) — ne běsy, domovina Boga; * {{Lang|ru|аристократ}} (aristokrat) — Arij sto krat, arijec v stokratnom pokoljenju; * {{Lang|ru|Алла}} (žensko ime) — silaba {{-|«ал»}} — glavny, veličstvěny, močny. Kako ni čitaj, sprava nalěvo ili slěva napravo, vsekako Alla bude veličstvěna, rovnako sprědu i szadu; * {{Lang|ru|славянин}} (slovjanin) — {{-|славь-ян-инь}} (slavi {{-|yang-yin}}); {{-|yin}} — ženska energije, {{-|yang}} — mužska, aktivna; * {{Lang|ru|крестьянин}} (zemjedělec) — {{-|крест-ян-инь}} (križ-{{-|yang-yin}}). Tri svetyni v jednoj fljaškě! === Ocenjenje dějnosti === Zadornova podtrimyval Valerij Čudinov.<ref name="1tv" /> Specialist v oblasti historije [[Russky jezyk|russkogo jezyka]], professor [[Moskovsky državny universitet|MDU]], rukovoditelj Sektora historije russkogo literaturnogo jezyka Instituta russkogo jezyka imeni V. V. Vinogradova [[Rosijska akademija nauk|RAN]] V. M. Živov jest mněval metody Zadornova absolutno nenaučnymi i odměčal, že toj jih priměnjaje skoreje za cěljom propagacije slovjanofilnyh idej.<ref name="1tv" /><ref>{{Cite web |url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRPeiKmXxcU |title=Виктор Живов о Задорнове |access-date=2017-08-11 |archive-date=2019-03-03 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20190303140424/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRPeiKmXxcU&gl=US&hl=en |url-status=live }}</ref> Akademik A. A. Zaliznjak jest odmětil, že diskutujuči s ukrajinskymi amaterskymi lingvistami avtor (ne nazyvajuči Zadornova po imenu) faktično sam koristaje podobne manipulačne metody. Fonetična akcentuacija trěbnogo korenja «drěvnogo slova» za dokazanje teorije «russkogo drěvnogo Ra» dělaje se sovršenno tako, kako i v ukrajinskoj amaterskoj lingvistikě iyvodi se proizhodženje ukrajincov od tevkrov («te-ukrov»), a to jest s ignorovanjem očevidnyh daže školnikam sufiksov i prědrastok.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJzhnZMaFkE|title=А. А. Зализняк о любительской лингвистике |author=RussianUnityRules |date=2013-07-12|access-date=2017-11-11|archive-date=2019-03-03|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20190303140333/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJzhnZMaFkE&gl=US&hl=en|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=https://elementy.ru/nauchno-populyarnaya_biblioteka/430720/O_professionalnoy_i_lyubitelskoy_lingvistike|title=О профессиональной и любительской лингвистике|publisher=elementy.ru|lang=ru|access-date=2017-11-11|archive-date=2021-04-24|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210424072559/https://elementy.ru/nauchno- populyarnaya_biblioteka/430720/O_professionalnoy_i_lyubitelskoy_lingvistike|title=О профессиональной и любительской лингвистике|publisher=elementy.ru|lang=ru|access-date=2017-11-11|archive-date=2021-04-24|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210424072559/https://elementy.ru/nauchno-populyarnaya_biblioteka/430720/O_professionalnoy_i_lyubitelskoy_lingvistike|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkvUb27xh5Y|title=Украина родина древних Укров! А. А. Зализняк|author=Berg Alexander|date=2014-05-03|access-date=2017-11-11|archive-date=2018-10-04|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20181004171609/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkvUb27xh5Y|url-status=live}}</ref> V 2016 godu Mihail Zadornov jest stal finalistom antinagrady «Uvažajemy akademik VRAL» za distigy v oblasti psevdolingvistiky i aktivno propagavanje psevdohistorije.<ref>{{Cite web |url= https://snob.ru/selected/entry/114335 |title= Лженаука на красной дорожке. Объявлены финалисты голосования за титул главного лжеучёного страны |publisher= «[[Сноб (журнал)|Сноб]]» |date= 2016-09-30 |author= Алексей Алексенко |access-date= 2018-11-24 |archive-date= 2018-11-24 |archive-url= https://web.archive.org/web/20181124220127/https://snob.ru/selected/entry/114335 |url-status= live }}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |url= https://www.novayagazeta.ru/articles/2017/10/02/74042-lzhest |title= Лжесть. Рассерженные учёные перешли к действиям — отлавливают и награждают всех мракобесов. Стоят смех да брань |publisher= «[[Новая газета]]» |date= 2017-10-02 |author= Екатерина Гликман |access-date= 2018-11-24 |archive-date= 2017-11-07 |archive-url= https://web.archive.org/web/20171107013157/https://www.novayagazeta.ru/articles/2017/10/02/74042-lzhest |url-status= live }}</ref> Ale za vešinstvo ljudij, imajučih smysl za humor, jego lingvistične teorije ostali kako parodijne. == Politične pogledy == === SŠA === Mihail Zadornov jest široko izvestny svojeju antiamerikanskoju satiroju. On jest faktično stvoril vlastnu marku humorističnyh tvorb «tupe amerikanci» s gaslom «nu tupe!»,<ref>{{Youtube|2mGgxrC927s|Ну тупые! Американская коллекция Михаила Задорнова}}</ref><ref>{{Cite news|title=Ну тупые! 10 высказываний сатирика Михаила Задорнова|url=https://www.m24.ru/articles/утраты/10112017/151503|work=m24.ru|access-date=2017-11-15|language=ru|archive-date=2017-11-16|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20171116020812/https://www.m24.ru/articles/%D1%83%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8B/10112017/151503}}</ref> koristanje ktorogo pozdněje sam uznal kako neuměstno. Zadornovu prinaleži množstvo aforizmov na tutu temu. === Rosija === V oktobru 1993 poddržal činnost [[Boris Jeljcin|Borisa Jeljcina]] pri nasilnom odstranjenju Sjezda narodnyh deputatov zaradi "[[Demokracija|demokracie]] ", o čem 20 lět po tom iměl žalj. V pozdnjih lětah govoril, že jemu jest najvyše simpatična [[Komunistična partija Rosije]], ale sam v njej ne byl členom. Mnogo kritikoval reformaciju obrazovanja v Rosiji i zavedenje obveznogo EGE (Jedinogo državnogo egzamena), ktory jest odrodoju prijetoj v světu praktiky egzamenovanja na zakladě formalnyh testov s izborom medžu gotovymi rěšenjami. Od lěta 2010 napisal několiko člankov s jego kritikoju («EGE — kontrolny izstrěl do sistemy obrazovanja»<ref>{{Cite journal|url = http://telegrafua.com/517/world/10896/ | author = Задорнов М. Н.| title = ЕГЭ — контрольный выстрел в систему образования| journal= Общественно-политический еженедельник «Киевский телеграф»| issue = 15| page = 517|date=2010-04-16}}</ref>, «Uzkoumni, naprěd=2»<ref>{{Cite web|title = Задорнов М. Н. «Узкоумственные, вперёд — 2». Общественно-политический еженедельник «Киевский телеграф», 28 мая 2010, № 21 (523)| url=http://telegrafua.com/523/world/11033/ |date=2010-04-11}} </ref>, «Prědavstvo»<ref name="rnl_zador_izm">{{Cite web |url=https://ruskline.ru/news_rl/2011/02/04/nado_dobivatsya_otstavki_vsej_agentury_rezidenta_fursenko/ | date=2020-11-28| title = «Надо добиваться отставки всей агентуры резидента Фурсенко!» Русская народная линия, 04.02.2011.}} </ref>). == Literatura == * {{Cite journal|author=Бесков А. 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Задорнова) |url=http://www.philology.ru/linguistics2/polinichenko-burkhanova-13.htm |journal=NB: Филологические исследования |place= |publisher= |year=2013|issue=2 |pages=67—81 |isbn= |issn= |doi= |bibcode= |arxiv= |pmid= |language= |ref= |archive-url= |archive-date=}} * {{Cite journal |author=[[Эрлихман, Вадим Викторович|Эрлихман В.]] |title=Мушкетёры и белошвейки лженауки |url= |journal=[[Родина (журнал)|Родина]]|place= |publisher= |year=2012 |issue=9 |pages=85—87 |isbn= |issn= |doi= |bibcode= |arxiv= |pmid= |language= |ref=Эрлихман |archive-url= |archive-date=}} ==Linky i referencije== {{Iztočniky}} ==Vnješne linky== {{Prěvod|ru|Задорнов, Михаил Николаевич}} {{Prěvod|en|Mikhail Zadornov (comedian)}} [[Kategorija:Pisatelji, dramaturgi i poeti]] [[Kategorija:Rosija]] [[Kategorija:Sovětsky Sojuz]] {{INTERWIKI|Q2622688}} l6q9gdeeooay6b8c62hdr0efn81f9z5 Organizacija sjedinjenyh narodov 0 1464 28478 12096 2026-07-10T12:03:02Z MwGamera 13 defaultove razměry simboly v krabkě 28478 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka geopolitična organizacija | name = {{Collapsible list | {{Kartka |subbox=yes |bodystyle=font-size:77%;font-weight:normal; | rowclass1 = mergedrow| label1 = [[Arabsky jezyk|arabsky]]: | data1 = {{Lang|ar|منظمة الأمم المتحدة|rtl=yes}} | rowclass2 = mergedrow| label2 = [[Kitajsky jezyk|kitajsky]]: | data2 = {{Lang|zh|联合国组织}} | rowclass3 = mergedrow| label3 = [[Francuzsky jezyk|francuzsky]]: | data3 = {{Lang|fr|Organisation des Nations unies|italic=unset}} | rowclass4 = mergedrow| label4 = [[Russky jezyk|russky]]: | data4 = {{Nowrap|{{Lang|ru|Организация Объединённых Наций}}}} | rowclass5 = mergedrow| label5 = [[Špansky jezyk|špansky]]: | data5 = {{Nowrap|{{Lang|es|Organización de las Naciones Unidas|italic=unset}}}} | rowclass6 = mergedrow| label6 = [[Bengalsky jezyk|bengali]]: | data6 = {{Nowrap|{{Lang|bn|জাতিসংঘ|italic=unset}}}} | rowclass7 = mergedrow| label7 = [[Hindustani|hindi]]: | data7 = {{Nowrap|{{Lang|hi|संयुक्त राष्ट्र|italic=unset}}}} | rowclass8 = mergedrow| label8 = [[Indonezijsky jezyk|indonezijsky]]: | data8 = {{Nowrap|{{Lang|id|Perserikatan Bangsa-Bangsa|italic=unset}}}} | rowclass9 = mergedrow| label9 = [[Malajsky jezyk|malajsky]]: | data9 = {{Nowrap|{{Lang|ms|Pertubuhan Bangsa-Bangsa Bersatu|italic=unset}}}} | rowclass10 = mergedrow| label10 = [[Portugalsky jezyk|portugalsky]]: | data10 = {{Nowrap|{{Lang|pt|Organização das Nações Unidas|italic=unset}}}} | rowclass11 = mergedrow| label11 = [[Suahili|swahili]]: | data11 = {{Nowrap|{{Lang|sw|Umoja wa Mataifa|italic=unset}}}} | rowclass12 = mergedrow| label12 = [[Turečsky jezyk|turečsky]]: | data12 = {{Nowrap|{{Lang|tr|Birleşmiş Milletler|italic=unset}}}}}}}}<!--NOTE: 'Organization' is only part of the official title in Russian.--> | linking_name = Organizacija sjedinjenyh narodov | conventional_long_name = Organizacija sjedinjenyh narodov | image_flag = Flag of the United Nations.svg | symbol_type = [[Emblem of the United Nations|Emblem]] | image_symbol = Emblem of the United Nations.svg | org_type = [[Medžuvladna organizacija]] | membership = [[Member states of the United Nations|193 držav členov]]<br />[[United Nations General Assembly observers|2 državy observovateljev]] | admin_center_type = [[Centrala Organizacije sjedinjenyh narodov|Centrala]] | admin_center = [[Nju-Jork]] {{Small|([[Ekstrateritorialnost|medžunarodna&nbsp;teritorija]])}} | languages_type = [[Služebne jezyky Organizacije sjedinjenyh narodov|Služebne jezyky]] | languages = {{Hlist|[[Arabsky jezyk|arabsky]]|[[Kitajsky jezyk|kitajsky]]|[[Angljsky jezyk|anglijsky]]|[[Francuzsky jezyk|francuzsky]]|[[Russky jezyk|russky]]|[[Špansky jezyk|špansky]]<ref>{{Cite web | title = Služebne jezyky OSN | url=https://www.un.org/en/sections/about-un/official-languages/index.html | archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150712155312/http://www.un.org/en/sections/about-un/official-languages/index.html |archive-date=12 July 2015 |access-date = 22 May 2015}}</ref>|[[Bengalsky jezyk|bengali]]|[[Hindustani|hindi]]|[[Indonezijsky jezyk|indonezijsky]]|[[Malajsky jezyk|malajsky]]|[[Portugalsky jezyk|portugalsky]]|[[Suahili|swahili]]|[[Turečsky jezyk|turečky]]}} | leader_title1 = [[Generalny sekretar Organizacije sjedinjenyh narodov|Generalny sekretar]] | leader_name1 = [[António Guterres|Antonio Guttereš]] | leader_title2 = [[Zastupnik Generalnogo sekretara Organizacije sjedinjenyh narodov|Zastupnik Generalnogo sekretara]] | leader_name2 = [[Amina J. 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Mohammed]] | leader_title3 = [[Prědsědnik Generalnogo sobranja Organizacije sjedinjenyh narodov|Prědsědnik Generalnogo sobranja]] | leader_name3 = [[Philemon Yang|Filemon Jang]] | leader_title4 = [[Prědsědnik Ekonomičnogo i socialnogo sovětaOrganizacije sjedinjenyh narodov|Prědsědnik Ekonomičnogo i socialnogo sověta]] | leader_name4 = [[Bob Rae|Bob Rej]] | leader_title5 = [[Prědsědnik Sověta bezopasnosti Organizacije sjedinjenyh narodov|Prědsědnik Sověta bezopasnosti]] | leader_name5 = [[Vasily Nebenzya|Vasilij Nebenzja]]<br><small>(oktobr 2025)</small> | established_event1 = [[Ustav Organizacije sjedinjenyh narodov|Ustav OSN]] podpisan | established_date1 = {{Start date and age|1945|06|26|df=yes|p=y}} | established_event2 = Ustav vstupil v pravomočnost | established_date2 = {{Start date and age|1945|10|24|df=yes|p=y}} | official_website = [https://www.un.org/ UN.org] <br /> [https://www.un.int/ UN.int] | FR_total_population_estimate = 7,403,020,000 | FR_total_population_estimate_year = 2016 | image_map = [[Fajl:United_Nations_(Member States and Territories).svg|thumb|center|250px|Členy Organizacije sjedinjenyh narodov (sinje)]] | map_caption = }} '''Organiacija sjedinjenyh narodov''' ('''OSN''') jest organizacija [[Država|držav]], osnovana 24. oktobra 1945 goda za promociju medžunarodnogo [[Surabotničestvo|surabotničestva]]. Ona byla založena da by zaměnila [[Liga nacij|Ligu nacij]] poslě [[Vtora světova vojna|Vtoroj světovoj vojny]] i odvratila novy konflikt. Ako byla založena, OSN jest iměla 51 člena. Tutčas sut jih 193. Večinstvo [[Nacija|nacij]] sut členami OSN i posylajut [[Diplomatija|diplomatov]] v centralu za učestje v zasědanjah i rěšenje [[Svět|globalnyh]] děl. Cělje Organizacije sjedinjenyh narodov sut: * Shranjati [[mir]] na cělom světu. * Pomagati državam surabotati. *[[Fajl:Emblem of the United Nations.svg|thumb|250px| Organizacija sjedinjenyh narodov]]Smenšati [[Běda|bědu]] posrěd svojih členov. * Popravjati [[Prava člověka|živobytne uslovja]] ljudij na cělom světu. * Sdělati svět lěpšim městom.<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://cyberschoolbus.un.org/unintro/unintro2.htm |title=Introduction to the United Nations |publisher=United Nations |year=2011 |accessdate=April 7, 2011 |archive-date=April 10, 2011 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20110410094048/http://cyberschoolbus.un.org/unintro/unintro2.htm |url-status=dead }}</ref> == Historija == Vslěd [[Prva světova vojna|Prvoj světovoj vojny]] državy světa sut stvorili [[Liga nacij|Ligu nacij]]. Organizacija byla městom, gde nacije mogli spokojno govoriti o svojih različnostah. Medžutym, něktore državy kako sut [[Němcija]], [[Italija]] i [[Japonija]] ignorovali Ligu. Oni sut silili se rěšiti svoje problemy [[Vojna|vojnoju]]. Členy Ligy nacij ne htěli sut idti na vojnu da by zaščiščati drugyh členov, tako že ona neuspěla. Za nedolgo uže načala se [[Vtora světova vojna|{{-|II}}. světova vojna]]. Sojuzniky vo Vtoroj světovoj vojně sut često nazyvali sebe "[[Sjedinjene narody]]" ibo oni byli sjedinjeny protiv [[Os Berlin-Rim-Tokio|Držav Osi]]. Poslě vojny poběditelji sut stvorili novu organizaciju za [[Mir|mir na cělom světu]] 25. aprila 1945 g. v [[San Francisko|San Francisku]] oni sut rěšili o nazvanju "Organizacija sjedinjenyh narodov". V juniju oni sut podpisali [[Ustav Organizacije sjedinjenyh narodov]] i rěšili, kako organizacija bude rabotati. Organizacija sjedinjenyh narodov byla stvorjena 24. oktobra 1945 g., a jejina prva shodka byla provědena v janvaru 1946. Od 1947. lěta, 24. oktobra nazyvaje se “[[Denj Organizacije sjedinjenyh narodov]]”. Državy, čija horugva jest izmodelovana suglasno s Organizacijeju sjedinjenyh narodov, sut [[Argentina]], [[Demokratična republika Kongo|Demokratična republika Konga]], [[Bosnija i Hercegovina]], [[Sierra Leone]]; [[Somalija]]; i [[Federalne štaty Mikronezije]].<ref>{{Cite journal|last1 = Tittemore| first1 = Brian D.| title = Belligerents in blue helmets: applying international humanitarian law to United Nations peace operations| journal = Stan. J. Int'l| issue = 33 |year = 1997| page = 61}}</ref> ==Dějateljnost== Glavne budynky OSN sut v Nju-Jorku. OSN takože imaje ofisy v [[Švejcarija|švejcariskoj]] Ženevě, v [[Kenija|Keniji]] i v [[Avstrija|Avstriji]]. OSN sili se byti mirnoju, ale ona byla vtegnuta v vooružene konflikty. V 1950-h lětah v času [[Sovětsky sojuz|sovětskogo]] bojkota [[Sovět bezopasnosti Organizacije sjedinjenyh narodov|Sověta bezopasnosti Organizacije sjedinjenyh narodov]], OSN poddržala [[Južna Koreja|Južnu Koreju]] v [[Korejska vojna|vojně protiv Severnoj Koreje]]. V 1990-h, Organizacija sjedinjenyh narodov pomagala izměščati [[Vojna v Persidskom zalivu|irakskyh vojakov iz Kuwejta]]. V druge časy, OSN jest budovala mirotvoreči sily. Oni byli poslane v zony konfliktov v světu za cěljem poddrživanja mira. V 2020-h mirotvorci OSN rabotajut na [[Kipr]]u, v [[Liban]]u, [[Demokratična republika Kongo|Demokratičnoj republikě Kongo]], [[Centralnoafrikanska republikě|Centralnoafrikanskoj republikě]], [[Afganistan]]u i [[Pakistan]]u, i v něktoryh drugyh krajinah. Črěz seriju met, rezolucij i deklaracij Organizacija sjedinenyh narodov imaje red obvezkov, dějanij i cěljev kako, napriměr, ostanoviti i obratiti razširenje [[Virus imunodeficita člověka|VIČ]] i dvigati se ko vseobčemu dostupu k srědstvam prevencije VIČ i uslugam lěčenja, opeky, i poddrživanja. Jedin iz glavnyh směrov raboty OSN vključaje [[Cělje udržiteljnogo razvoja]]. Tute cělje, često nazyvane Globalnymi cěljami, byli prijate Generalnym sobranjem v 2015 lětu. Tute 17 cěljev sut ustanovjene vokrug zakončenja [[Běda|bědy]] i [[glad]]a, dělanja ljudij [[Socialna neravnost|vyše ravnymi]] i postupanja za obstanovjenje [[Izměna klimata|izměny klimata]].<ref>{{Cite web|last=|first=|title=Home|url=https://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/|access-date=2023-03-16|website=United Nations Sustainable Development|language=en-US}}</ref> Agenciji OSN kako [[UNHCR|{{-|UNHCR}}]], [[WFP|{{-|WFP}}]], [[UNICEF|{{-|UNICEF}}]], [[IOM|{{-|IOM}}]] i druge sut važne v podavanju humanitarnoj pomoči. == Podrazděljenja == Organizacija sjedinjenyh narodov imaje šest "glavnyh organov": <div style="padding-top:15px; padding-bottom:15px; text-align:center">'''Glavne organy Organizacije sjedinjenyh narodov'''<ref>{{-|[[:wikisource:Charter of the United Nations|Charter of the United Nations]] - [[:wikisource:Charter_of_the_United_Nations#Chapter_III_-_Organs|Chapter III]] (''Organs'')}}</ref></div> <div style="overflow-x:auto;"> {| cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" style="background:#E0E0E0; width:100%" |- style="text-align:center" | width=34% style="padding-left:15px; padding-top:10px" | '''[[Generalno sobranje OSN]]'''<br/>- radno sobranje vsih držav-členov OSN (vsaka država imaje jedin glas) | rowspan="7" style="background:white" | | width="34%" style="padding-left:15px; padding-top:10px" | '''[[United Nations Secretariat|Secretariat OSN]]'''<br/>- administrativny organ OSN | rowspan="7" style="background:white" | | width=34% style="padding-left:15px; padding-top:10px" | '''[[IMedžunarodny sud OSN|Medžunarodny sud OSN]]''' <br/>- vsesvětny sud [[Medžunarodno pravo|medžunarodnogo prava]] (nahodi se v [[Haga|Hagě]]) |- style="text-align: center" | <div style="position:relative; height:120px; overflow:hidden"> <div style="position:relative; top:-30px; left:0px;"><div style="overflow-x:hidden; overflow:hidden; width:100%"> [[Fajl:NYC24-158_UN.jpg|260px|UN General Assembly hall]]</div></div></div> | <div style="position:relative; height:120px; overflow:hidden"> <div style="position:relative; top:-47px; left:0px;"><div style="overflow-x:hidden; overflow:hidden; width:100%"> [[Fajl:UN HQ 157652121 5b5979da9e2.jpg|260px|Headquarters of the UN in New York City]]</div></div></div> | <div style="position:relative; height:120px; overflow:hidden"> <div style="position:relative; top:-32px; left:0px;"><div style="overflow-x:hidden; overflow:hidden; width:100%"> [[Fajl:International Court of Justice HQ 2006.jpg|260px|International Court of Justice]]</div></div></div> |- | valign="top" style="padding-left:15px; padding-bottom:10px"| * može izdavati neobvezne prěporučenja državam, ili prědloženja Sovětu bezopasnosti * rěšaje o propustu novyh členov, suglasno prědloženju Sověta bezopasnosti * prijmaje budžet * izbiraje nepostojannyh členov Sověta bezopasnosti i vsih členov Ekonomičnogo i socialnogo sověta po prědloženju Sověta bezopasnosti, [[Generalny sekretar Organizacije sjedinjenyh narodov|Generalnogo sekretara OSN]] i 15 sudjev [[IMedžunarodny sud OSN|Medžunarodnogo suda]]. | valign="top" style="padding-left:15px; padding-bottom:10px" | * poddrživaje druge organy UN administrativno, kako organizuje konferencije, piše reporty i studija i prigotovjaje plan budžeta * prědsědatelj, Generalny sekretar OSN, izbiraje se Generalnym sobranjem s petilětym mandatom i jest najvažnejšim prědstaviteljem OSN * čtovyše centraly v [[Nju-Jork]]u, imaje tri glavnyh ofisa v [[Ženeva|Ženevě]], [[Nairobi]] i [[Viena|Vieně]] | valign="top" style="padding-left:15px; padding-bottom:10px" | * razrěsaje spory medžu državami, ktore uznavajut jego jurisdikciju i iztvarjaje pravne mněnja * imaje 15 sudjev izbirajemyh Generalnym sobranjem na devet lět. Okazyvaje sudženja odnositeljnym večšinstvom * sudnymi stranami mogut byti jedino državy, ale ne medžunarodne organizacije ili ine subjekty medžunarodnogo prava (ne byti pomylěno s [[Medžunarodny kriminalny sud|Medžunarodnym kriminalnym sudom]]) |- | colspan="7" style="background:white" | |- style="text-align:center" | style="padding-left:15px; padding-top:10px" | [[Sovět bezopasnosti OSN|'''Sovět bezopasnosti OSN''']]<br/>za děla medžunarodnoj bezopasnosti | style="padding-left:15px; padding-top:10px" | '''[[Economičny i socialny sovět OSN|Ekonomičny i socialny sovět]]''' <br/>za globalne ekonomične i socialne děla | style="padding-left:15px; padding-top:10px" | '''[[Opekunsky sovět OSN]]'''<br/>administroval pověrene teritorije (tutčasno ne rabotaje) |- style="text-align: center" | <div style="position:relative; height:120px; overflow:hidden"> <div style="position:relative; top:-40px; left:0px;"><div style="overflow-x:hidden; overflow:hidden; width:100%"> [[Fajl:UN security council 2005.jpg|260px|UN security council]]</div></div></div> | <div style="position:relative; height:120px; overflow:hidden"> <div style="position:relative; top:-50px; left:0px;"><div style="overflow-x:hidden; overflow:hidden; width:100%"> [[Fajl:United Nations Economic and Social Council.jpg|260px|UN Economic and Social Council]]</div></div></div> | <div style="position:relative; height:120px; overflow:hidden"> <div style="position:relative; top:0px; left:0px;"><div style="overflow-x:hidden; overflow:hidden; width:100%"> [[Fajl:United Nations Trusteeship Council chamber in New York City 2.JPG|260px|UN Trusteeship Council]]</div></div></div> |- | valign="top" style="padding-left:15px; padding-bottom:10px" | * odpovědaje zy poddrživanje [[mir]]a medžu narodami i bezopasnosti * najmogutny organ OSN, može prijimati obvezne rezolucije * jego rěšenja vključajut mirotvorčje i prinudžajuče k miru misije, i takože ne-vojenske srědstva natiska, kako sut trgove [[Embargo|embarga]] * imaje 15 členov: pet postojannyh členov s pravom [[Veto|veta]] ([[Kitaj]], [[Rosija]], [[Francija]], [[Objedinjeno Kraljevstvo|Objedinjeno kraljevstvo]] i [[Sjedinjene štaty Ameriky|Sjedinjene štaty]]) i deset izbiranyh členov | valign="top" style="padding-left:15px; padding-bottom:10px" | * odpovědaje za surabotu v ekonomičnom i socialnom poljah (vozvyšanje občih [[Životne standardy|živobytnyh uslovij]] i rěšanje ekonomičnyh, socialnyh i zdravotničnyh problemov, pomaganja v dělah [[Prava člověka|prav člověka]], [[Kultura|kultury]], edukaciji i [[Humanitarna pomoč|humanitarnoj pomoči]]) * vslěd tomu ustanovil mnogofunkcionalne i regionalne komisije * takože koordinuje surabotu s čislom specializovanyh agencij Organizaciji sjedinjenyh narodov * imaje 54 člena, izbirajemyh Generalnym sobranjem s poprěměnnym trilětym mandatom | valign="top" style="padding-left:15px; padding-bottom:10px" | * byl prvonačelno stvorjeny za upravjenej kolonialnymi vlastnostami, ktore ranje byli mandatnymi teritorijami [[Liga nacij|Ligi nacij]] * ne aktivny od 1994, po tom, ako poslědna pověrena teritorija, [[Namibija]], dosegla nezavisnosti v 1990 |} </div> Jestvujut specialne agencije Organizacije sjedinjenyh narodov. Oni sut nezavisne od od [[Sekretariat OSN|sekretariata OSN]], imajuči vlastne budžet i členstvo.<ref name=":0">{{Cite web|last=|first=|title=UN System|url=https://www.un.org/en/about-us/un-system|access-date=2023-03-16|website=United Nations|language=en}}</ref> Něktore iz njih sut starši než Organizacija sjedinjenyh narodov. Tut sut něktore od njih: * Vsesvětova zdravotna organizacija, [[WHO|{{-|World Health Organization}}]] ({{-|WHO}}) * Orgnizacija za jedivo i zemjedějstvo, [[FAO|{{-|Food and Agriculture Organization}}]] ({{-|FAO}}) * Organizacija OSN za obrazovanje, nauku i kulturu, [[UNESCO|{{-|United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization}}]] ({{-|UNESCO}}) * Medžunarodna rabotna organizacija, [[ILO|{{-|International Labour Organization}}]] ({{-|ILO}}) * Medžunarodny grošovy fond, [[IMF|{{-|International Monetary Fund}}]] ({{-|IMF}}) * Vsesvětova meteorologična organizacija, [[WMO|{{-|World Meteorological Organization}}]] ({{-|WMO}}) The United Nations also has funds and programmes. Unlike specialized agencies, these are reliant on voluntary contributions, or money that countries can choose whether or not to give to.<ref name=":0" /> * Detsky fond OSN, [[UNICEF|{{-|United Nations Children's Fund}}]] ({{-|UNICEF}}) * Programa OSN za okolnu prirodu, [[UNEP|{{-|United Nations Environment Programme}}]] ({{-|UNEP}}) * Programa OSN za razvoj, [[UNDP|{{-|United Nations Development Programme}}]] ({{-|UNDP}}) * Vsesvětova programa OSN za jedivo, [[WFP|{{-|World Food Programme}}]] ({{-|WFP}}) * Agencija za běžencev OSN, [[UNHCR|{{-|United Nations Refugee Agency}}]] ({{-|UNHCR}}) ==Svezane stranicy== * [[Členy Organizacije sjedinjenyh narodov]] ==Linky i referencije== {{Iztočniky}} ==Vnešnje linky== *[http://www.un.org Stranica OSN] * ''Tuty članok sodrživaje prěklad iz članka {{-|«[[:simple:United_Nations|United Nations]]»}} v Vikipediji na prostom anglijskom ([https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_Nations&action=history spis avtorov]; dozvoljeńje [[ccorg:licenses/by-sa/4.0/|{{-|CC BY-SA 4.0}}]]).'' {{INTERWIKI|Q1065}} eaeujuvug228yvbihja2l8uir05um32 Pakistan 0 1475 28497 12200 2026-07-10T13:21:43Z Minorax 40 28497 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka država | conventional_long_name = Islamska republika Pakistan | common_name = Pakistan | native_name = <center>{{Big|{{Jezyky|ur|اِسلامی جمہوریہ پاكِستان}}}}<br />{{-|{{Small|''Islāmī Jumhūriyah Pākistān''}}}}<ref>{{Cite book |last=Minahan |first=James |title=The Complete Guide to National Symbols and Emblems [2 volumes] |publisher=ABC-CLIO |year=2009 |page=141 |isbn=978-0-313-34497-8}}</ref> | image_flag = Flag of Pakistan.svg | image_coat = State emblem of Pakistan.svg | symbol_type = Gerb | national_anthem = {{-|''[[Qaumi Taranah|Qaumī Tarānah]]''}}<br />{{Jezyky|ur|قَومی ترانہ}}<br />"Narodny himn"<br />[[Fajl:Pakistan anthem - United States Navy Band.ogg]] | image_map = PAK orthographic.svg | map_width = 220px | map_caption = Land controlled by Pakistan shown in dark green; land claimed but not controlled shown in light green | capital = [[Islamabad]] | coordinates = {{Coord|33|41|30|N|73|03|00|E|type:city_region:PK}} | largest_city = [[Karači]]<br />{{Coord|24|51|36|N|67|00|36|E|type:city_region:PK}} | official_languages = [[urdu]] • [[Anglijsky jezyk|anglijsky]] | government_type = [[Federalizm|Federativna]] [[Parlamentarska sistema|parlamentarska]] [[Konstitucija|konstitučna]] [[republika]] | area_km2 = 1030000 | area_footnote = <br />Vključaje dane Pakistanskih teritorij Kašmir, [[Azad Kašmir]] (13&nbsp;297&nbsp;km²) i [[Gilgit–Baltistan]] (72&nbsp;520&nbsp;km²).<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://www.geohive.com/cntry/pakistan.aspx |title=Pakistan statistics |publisher=Geohive |access-date=20 April 2013 |url-status=dead |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20130406012611/http://www.geohive.com/cntry/pakistan.aspx |archive-date=6 April 2013}}</ref> Bez tutyh teritorij plošča se stavaje 796&nbsp;095&nbsp;km².<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://www.worldatlas.com/as/pk/where-is-pakistan.html |title=Where is Pakistan?|website=worldatlas.com|date=24 February 2021}}</ref> | area_rank = 29 | population_estimate = 270800000<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/PAK/pakistan/population-growth-rate|title = Pakistan Population Growth Rate 1950-2023}}</ref> | population_census = 270.8 milionov | population_estimate_year = 2023 | population_estimate_rank = 5 | population_census_year = 2023 | population_census_rank = | currency = [[Pakistanska rupi]] (₨) | currency_code = PKR | time_zone = [[Pakistansky standardny čas|PKT]] | utc_offset = &nbsp;+05:00 | utc_offset_DST = | official_website = {{URL|http://www.pakistan.gov.pk/}} }} '''Pakistan''', služebno '''Islamska republika Pakistan''' ({{Jezyky|ur|اِسلامی جمہوریہ پاکِستان}} ''{{-|Islāmī Jumhūriyah Pākistān}}''), jest [[država]] v [[Južna Azija|Južnoj Aziji]]. Razděljaje granicy s [[Indija|Indijeju]], [[Iran]]om, [[Afganistan]]om i [[Kitaj]]em. Pakistan imaje peto največše naseljenje na světu (243.4 milionov) i vladaje občeju ploščeju 881,000 km², čto dělaje Pakistan 34-toju državoju světa po plošči povrhnje. Imaje pribrěžje dolgo na 1,365&nbsp;km vozdolž [[Arabsko morje|Arabskogo morja]] na jugu.<ref>{{Citation|last=Snead|first=Rodman E.|title=Pakistan|date=2010|url=https://doi.org/10.1007/978-1-4020-8639-7_198|encyclopedia=Encyclopedia of the World's Coastal Landforms|pages=1059–1064|editor-last=Bird|editor-first=Eric C. F.|place=Dordrecht|publisher=Springer Netherlands|language=en|doi=10.1007/978-1-4020-8639-7_198|isbn=978-1-4020-8639-7|access-date=2023-11-24}}</ref> [[Stolica|Glavnym gradom]] Pakistana jest [[Islamabad]], ale do 1960 g to byl [[Karači]], ktory ostavaje v tutom momentu največšim gradom državy. Poka stavil se Islamabad, [[Rawalpindi]] služil jest dočasnoju stoliceju od 1959 do 1967 g. Pakistan imaje bogatu [[Historija|historiju]] s drěvnymi kulturami, kako sut byli [[Neolit]]ična i [[Mergar]] 8,500 lět tomu, [[civilizacija doliny Inda Bronzovoj doby]] i drěvna [[civilizacija Gandhara]]. Črěz lěta, različne [[Imperija|imperije]] i [[Dinastija|dinastije]], vključno [[Imperija Ahemenidov|Ahemenidov]], [[Imperija Maurja|Maurja]], [[Imperija Kušan|Kušan]], [[Imperija Gupta|Gupta]], [[Makedonska dinastija|Makedoncev]], [[Mongolska imperija|Mongolov]], [[Tubo|Tibetcov]], [[Halifat Umajjad|halifata Umajjad]], [[Dinastija Samma|Samma]], Hindskih šahov, šaha Mirisa, [[Imperija Gaznavidov|Gaznavidov]], [[Delijsky sultanat|Delijskogo sultanata]], [[Imperija Mugalov|Mugalov]] i [[Britansky Radž|Britanskogo Radža]] vplyvali na region. Pakistan takože jest svezany s proizhodženjem velikyh religij kako sut [[Hinduizm]] i [[Sikhizm]], i takože odvětvi [[Budizm]]a [[Mahajana]] i [[Vadžrajana]], imajuče korenje v regionu [[Gandhara]]. Pakistan jest država srědnoj moči s šestym največšim [[vojsko]]m na světu. Pakistan jest državoju s [[Jedrno oružje|jedrnym oružjem]] i odnosi se k najbystro razvivajučim se i [[ekonomika]]m s bystro rastučim [[Srědny klas|srědnym klasom]]. [[Politika|Politična historija]] Pakistana jest viděla periody značnogo [[Ekonomika|ekonomičnogo]] i vojennogo rastu, a takože časy političnoj i ekonomičnoj nestabilnosti. Država jest etnično i [[Jezyk|lingvistično]] raznorodna, s različnoju [[Zemjepis|geografijeju]] i [[Dika priroda|dikoju prirodoju]]. Jednako, Pakistan takože imaje dělo s izzvami kako sut [[Бєдни људи|běda]], [[negramotnost]], [[korupcija]] i [[terorizm]]. ==Linky i referencije== {{Iztočniky}} ==Vnešnje linky== * ''Tuty članok sodrživaje prěklad iz članka {{-|«[[:simple:Pakistan|Pakistan]]»}} v Vikipediji na prostom anglijskom ([https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pakistan&action=history spis avtorov]; dozvoljeńje [[ccorg:licenses/by-sa/4.0/|{{-|CC BY-SA 4.0}}]]).'' {{Državy v Aziji}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} [[Kategorija:Pakistan| ]] [[Kategorija:Državy v Aziji]] {{INTERWIKI|Q843}} 17ygn3966srjoygev6xwxflqn85r2ny 28499 28497 2026-07-10T13:22:38Z Minorax 40 28499 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka država | conventional_long_name = Islamska republika Pakistan | common_name = Pakistan | native_name = <div class="center">{{Big|{{Jezyky|ur|اِسلامی جمہوریہ پاكِستان}}}}<br />{{-|{{Small|''Islāmī Jumhūriyah Pākistān''}}}}<ref>{{Cite book |last=Minahan |first=James |title=The Complete Guide to National Symbols and Emblems [2 volumes] |publisher=ABC-CLIO |year=2009 |page=141 |isbn=978-0-313-34497-8}}</ref></div> | image_flag = Flag of Pakistan.svg | image_coat = State emblem of Pakistan.svg | symbol_type = Gerb | national_anthem = {{-|''[[Qaumi Taranah|Qaumī Tarānah]]''}}<br />{{Jezyky|ur|قَومی ترانہ}}<br />"Narodny himn"<br />[[Fajl:Pakistan anthem - United States Navy Band.ogg]] | image_map = PAK orthographic.svg | map_width = 220px | map_caption = Land controlled by Pakistan shown in dark green; land claimed but not controlled shown in light green | capital = [[Islamabad]] | coordinates = {{Coord|33|41|30|N|73|03|00|E|type:city_region:PK}} | largest_city = [[Karači]]<br />{{Coord|24|51|36|N|67|00|36|E|type:city_region:PK}} | official_languages = [[urdu]] • [[Anglijsky jezyk|anglijsky]] | government_type = [[Federalizm|Federativna]] [[Parlamentarska sistema|parlamentarska]] [[Konstitucija|konstitučna]] [[republika]] | area_km2 = 1030000 | area_footnote = <br />Vključaje dane Pakistanskih teritorij Kašmir, [[Azad Kašmir]] (13&nbsp;297&nbsp;km²) i [[Gilgit–Baltistan]] (72&nbsp;520&nbsp;km²).<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://www.geohive.com/cntry/pakistan.aspx |title=Pakistan statistics |publisher=Geohive |access-date=20 April 2013 |url-status=dead |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20130406012611/http://www.geohive.com/cntry/pakistan.aspx |archive-date=6 April 2013}}</ref> Bez tutyh teritorij plošča se stavaje 796&nbsp;095&nbsp;km².<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://www.worldatlas.com/as/pk/where-is-pakistan.html |title=Where is Pakistan?|website=worldatlas.com|date=24 February 2021}}</ref> | area_rank = 29 | population_estimate = 270800000<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/PAK/pakistan/population-growth-rate|title = Pakistan Population Growth Rate 1950-2023}}</ref> | population_census = 270.8 milionov | population_estimate_year = 2023 | population_estimate_rank = 5 | population_census_year = 2023 | population_census_rank = | currency = [[Pakistanska rupi]] (₨) | currency_code = PKR | time_zone = [[Pakistansky standardny čas|PKT]] | utc_offset = &nbsp;+05:00 | utc_offset_DST = | official_website = {{URL|http://www.pakistan.gov.pk/}} }} '''Pakistan''', služebno '''Islamska republika Pakistan''' ({{Jezyky|ur|اِسلامی جمہوریہ پاکِستان}} ''{{-|Islāmī Jumhūriyah Pākistān}}''), jest [[država]] v [[Južna Azija|Južnoj Aziji]]. Razděljaje granicy s [[Indija|Indijeju]], [[Iran]]om, [[Afganistan]]om i [[Kitaj]]em. Pakistan imaje peto največše naseljenje na světu (243.4 milionov) i vladaje občeju ploščeju 881,000 km², čto dělaje Pakistan 34-toju državoju světa po plošči povrhnje. Imaje pribrěžje dolgo na 1,365&nbsp;km vozdolž [[Arabsko morje|Arabskogo morja]] na jugu.<ref>{{Citation|last=Snead|first=Rodman E.|title=Pakistan|date=2010|url=https://doi.org/10.1007/978-1-4020-8639-7_198|encyclopedia=Encyclopedia of the World's Coastal Landforms|pages=1059–1064|editor-last=Bird|editor-first=Eric C. F.|place=Dordrecht|publisher=Springer Netherlands|language=en|doi=10.1007/978-1-4020-8639-7_198|isbn=978-1-4020-8639-7|access-date=2023-11-24}}</ref> [[Stolica|Glavnym gradom]] Pakistana jest [[Islamabad]], ale do 1960 g to byl [[Karači]], ktory ostavaje v tutom momentu največšim gradom državy. Poka stavil se Islamabad, [[Rawalpindi]] služil jest dočasnoju stoliceju od 1959 do 1967 g. Pakistan imaje bogatu [[Historija|historiju]] s drěvnymi kulturami, kako sut byli [[Neolit]]ična i [[Mergar]] 8,500 lět tomu, [[civilizacija doliny Inda Bronzovoj doby]] i drěvna [[civilizacija Gandhara]]. Črěz lěta, različne [[Imperija|imperije]] i [[Dinastija|dinastije]], vključno [[Imperija Ahemenidov|Ahemenidov]], [[Imperija Maurja|Maurja]], [[Imperija Kušan|Kušan]], [[Imperija Gupta|Gupta]], [[Makedonska dinastija|Makedoncev]], [[Mongolska imperija|Mongolov]], [[Tubo|Tibetcov]], [[Halifat Umajjad|halifata Umajjad]], [[Dinastija Samma|Samma]], Hindskih šahov, šaha Mirisa, [[Imperija Gaznavidov|Gaznavidov]], [[Delijsky sultanat|Delijskogo sultanata]], [[Imperija Mugalov|Mugalov]] i [[Britansky Radž|Britanskogo Radža]] vplyvali na region. Pakistan takože jest svezany s proizhodženjem velikyh religij kako sut [[Hinduizm]] i [[Sikhizm]], i takože odvětvi [[Budizm]]a [[Mahajana]] i [[Vadžrajana]], imajuče korenje v regionu [[Gandhara]]. Pakistan jest država srědnoj moči s šestym največšim [[vojsko]]m na světu. Pakistan jest državoju s [[Jedrno oružje|jedrnym oružjem]] i odnosi se k najbystro razvivajučim se i [[ekonomika]]m s bystro rastučim [[Srědny klas|srědnym klasom]]. [[Politika|Politična historija]] Pakistana jest viděla periody značnogo [[Ekonomika|ekonomičnogo]] i vojennogo rastu, a takože časy političnoj i ekonomičnoj nestabilnosti. Država jest etnično i [[Jezyk|lingvistično]] raznorodna, s različnoju [[Zemjepis|geografijeju]] i [[Dika priroda|dikoju prirodoju]]. Jednako, Pakistan takože imaje dělo s izzvami kako sut [[Бєдни људи|běda]], [[negramotnost]], [[korupcija]] i [[terorizm]]. ==Linky i referencije== {{Iztočniky}} ==Vnešnje linky== * ''Tuty članok sodrživaje prěklad iz članka {{-|«[[:simple:Pakistan|Pakistan]]»}} v Vikipediji na prostom anglijskom ([https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pakistan&action=history spis avtorov]; dozvoljeńje [[ccorg:licenses/by-sa/4.0/|{{-|CC BY-SA 4.0}}]]).'' {{Državy v Aziji}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} [[Kategorija:Pakistan| ]] [[Kategorija:Državy v Aziji]] {{INTERWIKI|Q843}} eixyngd95ztd4llusnoqetnpo3kqyfe Palestina 0 1476 28495 27544 2026-07-10T13:20:30Z Minorax 40 28495 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka država | conventional_long_name = Država Palestina | common_name = Palestina | native_name = <div class="center">{{Jezyky|ar|دولة فلسطين}}<br />{{-|''{{Small|Dawlat Filasṭīn}}''}}</div> | image_flag = Flag of Palestine.svg | image_coat = Coat of arms of Palestine.svg | symbol_width = 70px | national_anthem = {{Jezyky|ar|{{Big|"فدائي"}}}}<br />"[[Fida'i]]"<ref>{{Cite web|title=Palestine |access-date=8 June 2014 |website=nationalanthems.info |url=http://www.nationalanthems.info/ps.htm |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20140331034257/http://www.nationalanthems.info/ps.htm |archive-date=31 March 2014 |format=includes audio |url-status=live}}</ref><br />"Vojovnik Fedajin"<br />[[Fajl:Anthem of Palestine.ogg]] | image_map = State of Palestine (orthographic projection).svg | map_width = 220px | map_caption = [[w:Palestinian territories|Territory claimed by Palestine]] (green).<br />Claimed territory annexed by Israel (light green). | capital = {{Unbulleted list |item1_style=margin-bottom:2px;|[[Jerusalem]] ([[w:Status of Jerusalem|ograničeno poznanje]]) |[[Ramallah]] }} | status = [[w:United Nations General Assembly observers|Država-observovatel OSN]] [[w:Israeli occupation of Palestine|pod Izraeljskoju okupacijeju]]<br />[[w:International recognition of the State of Palestine|poznana 147 členami OSN]] | largest_city = [[Rafah]]<ref>{{Cite web|url= https://english.wafa.ps/Pages/Details/140699#:~:text=ActionAid%3A%20Conditions%20in%20Rafah%20at,over%20one%20million%20displaced%20people | title= ActionAid: Conditions in Rafah at breaking point, with over one million displaced people |work=wafa agency}}</ref> | official_languages = [[Arabsky jezyk|arabsky]] | religion = {{Ublist | 98% [[Islam]] ([[State religion|official]]) | 2% other }} | demonym = [[Palestincy|Palestinsky]] | government_type = Unitarna [[poloprezidentska republika]]<ref name=declaration1988>{{Cite web|title=Declaration of Independence (1988) (UN Doc) |date=18 November 1988 |access-date=8 June 2014 |website=State of Palestine Permanent Observer Mission to the United Nations |url=http://www.un.int/wcm/content/site/palestine/cache/offonce/pid/12353 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20140608203237/http://www.un.int/wcm/content/site/palestine/cache/offonce/pid/12353 |archive-date=8 June 2014 |url-status=dead |publisher=United Nations }}</ref><!-- Articles in Wikipedia may not be used as citations; I have cited the published document --> | area_km2 = 6,020<ref name="UN Stats-2012">{{Cite book |chapter-url=https://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/dyb/dyb2012/Table03.pdf |chapter=Table 3, Population by sex, annual rate of population increase, surface area and density |title=Demographic Yearbook |url=https://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/dyb/dyb2012.htm |date=2012 |publisher=[[United Nations Statistics Division]] |access-date=28 January 2018 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20171015114145/https://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/dyb/dyb2012.htm |archive-date=15 October 2017 |url-status=live }}</ref> <!-- Area should match [[List of countries and dependencies by area]] --> | area_rank = 163 <!-- Area rank should match [[List of countries and dependencies by area]] --> | area_footnote = | population_estimate = 5,483,450<ref name="census">{{Cite web| url=https://www.pcbs.gov.ps/statisticsIndicatorsTables.aspx?lang=en&table_id=676| title=Estimated Population in the Palestine Mid-Year by Governorate,1997-2026| publisher=Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics| access-date=7 December 2022| archive-date=7 December 2022| archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20221207112233/https://www.pcbs.gov.ps/statisticsIndicatorsTables.aspx?lang=en&table_id=676| url-status=live}}</ref> | population_estimate_year = 2023 | population_estimate_rank = 121 | currency = {{Unbulleted list |Egiptsky funt ({{-|[[ISO 4217|EGP]]}}) |[[Izraeljsky novy šekel]]j {{-|(ILS)}} |[[Jordansky dinar]] {{-|(JOD)}} |{{-|(''[[de facto]]'')}}<ref>{{-|According to [https://web.archive.org/web/20161001065601/http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Peace%2BProcess/Guide%2Bto%2Bthe%2BPeace%2BProcess/Gaza-Jericho%2BAgreement%2BAnnex%2BIV%2B-%2BEconomic%2BProtoco.htm Article 4 of the 1994 Paris Protocol], the State of Palestine has no official currency. The Protocol allows the Palestinian Authority to adopt multiple currencies. In the [[West Bank]], the Israeli new sheqel and Jordanian dinar are widely accepted, while in the [[Gaza Strip]] the Israeli new sheqel and Egyptian pound are widely accepted.}}</ref>}} | time_zone = Palestinsky standardny čas | utc_offset = +2 | utc_offset_DST = +3 | time_zone_DST = [[Palestinsky lětny čas]] }} [[Fajl:West Bank and Gaza Strip location map.svg|thumb|left|Palestinske teritorije]] <!--{{Multiple image | align = right | direction = horizontal | image1 = West Bank and Gaza Strip location map.svg | caption1 = Palestinian Governorates (official) | image2 = Zones A and B in the occupied palestinian territories.svg | caption2 = Palestinian controlled areas }}--> '''Palestina''', oficialno '''Država Palestina''' – je država v Zapadnoj Aziji, poznana 147 iz 193 členov Organizacije Sjedinjenyh Narodov (OSN). Ona sostoji iz okupovanogo [[Izraelj]]em Zapadnogo Brěga, vklučajuči Iztočny [[Jerusalim]], i Pojas Gaza, sborno znajeme kako okupovane palestinske teritorije, v veče širokom geografičnom i historičnom regionu Palestiny. Palestina razděljaje večšu čest svojih granic s Izraeljem, a takože graniči s [[Jordanijeju]] na iztoku i [[Egipt]]om na jugo-zapadu. Obča plošča jejinyh territorij sostavjaje 6020 kvadratnyh kilometrov, a jej naseljenje prěvyšaje pet milionov člověk. Jej proglašenoju stoliceju jest Jerusalim, medžutym Ramalah služi kako administrativny centr. Grad Gaza byl največšim gradom prěd evakuacijeju v 2023 godu vslěd vojennoj invazije Izraelja.<ref>{{Cite web|url = https://english.wafa.ps/Pages/Details/140699#:~:text=ActionAid%3A%20Conditions%20in%20Rafah%20at,over%20one%20million%20displaced%20people| title = ActionAid: Conditions in Rafah at breaking point, with over one million displaced people| publisher = WAFA}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url = https://www.npr.org/2024/05/24/g-s1-741/rafah-gaza-israel-hamas-war| title = Nearly 1 million Palestinians are fleeing Rafah and northern Gaza| publisher = NPR| date = 24 May 2024}}</ref> Položeny na kontinentalnom razputje, region Palestiny nahodil se pod vladoju ražličnyh imperij i prěžil različne demografične izměny s drěvnosti do modernoj doby. Buduči mostom medžu Azijeju i Afrikoju, on byl městom, kde prohodili armije Nila i Mesopotamije, a takože trgovci iz Sěvernoj Afriky, Indije i Kitaja. Region jest znajemy za jego religiozno značenje. Prodolžajuči se izraeljsko-palestinsky konflikt vozhodi k vozvyšenju zionistskogo dviženja, poddržanogo [[Objedinjeno Kraljevstvo|Objedinjenym Kraljevstom]] v času [[Prva světova vojna|Prvoj Světovoj vojny.]] V hodu vojny Velika Britanja okupovala Palestinu od Osmanskoj Imperije, kde ona stvorila Podmandatnu Palestinu pod patronizacijeju Ligy Narodov. Vozrastša jevrejska imigracija privedla k medžuobčinnomu konfliktu medžu jevrejami i palestinskymi arabami, ktory prěrastl v gradžansku vojnu v 1947 godu, poslě togo, kak prědloženy Organizacijeju Sjedinjenyh Narodov razděl byl odvrgnut palestincami. Palesinska vojna 1948 goda izznačila se prinudženym prěseljenjem večinstva arabskogo naseljenja, i, poslědovateljno stvorenjem [[Izraelj]]a. Tute sobytja palestinci imenujut ''Nakba'' («katastrofa» na arabskom jezyku). V Šestidnevnoj vojne 1967 goda Izraelj okupoval Zapadny Brěg i Pojas Gaza, ktore prěd tym udrživali se Jordanijeju i Egiptom odpovědalno. Organizacija osvobodženja Palestiny (OOP) proglasila nezavisnost v 1988 godu. V 1993 godu OOP podpisala suglašenja v Oslo s Izraeljem, stvorivši ograničeno upravjenje OOP na Zapadnom Brěgu i Pojasu Gaza srědstom Palestinskoj administracije (PA). Izraelj izšedl iz Gazy v 2005 godu, ale tuta teritorija do tutogo momenta mni se nahodečeju se pod kontroloju vojennoju okupacijeju i blokuje se Izraeljem. V 2007 godu vnutrene raznoglasja medžu političnymi frakcijami privedli k zahvatu Gazy dviženjem Hamas. S togo momenta Zapadny Brěg čestično upravjaje se PA vo glavě s Fatah, onogda kak Gaza ostavaje pod kontroloju Hamas. Izraelj sbudoval velike poseljenja na okupovanom Zapadnom Brěgu i v iztočnom Jerusalimu s 1967 goda, v ktoryh tutčasno proživaje veče 670 000 izraeljskyh poseljencev, čto jest nezakonno suglasno s medžunarodnym pravom. Poslě napadenja vooruženyh skupin pod vodstvom Hamas v oktobru 2023 goda na Izraelj, poslědovala vojna v Gaze, ktora privedla k masovym izniščenjam i humanitarnoj krizě po vsemu Pojasu Gaza, vklučajuči prěměščenje bez malogo vsego jego naseljenja. Suglasno danym specialnogo komiteta OSN, Amnesty International i inyh eksperov i pravohraniteljnyh organizacij, [[Izraelj]] sovršil genocid protiv palestinskogo naroda v času jegovo trvajučego vtrgnutja i bombardovanja Pojasa Gaza.<ref>{{Cite web|url = https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-international-concludes-israel-is-committing-genocide-against-palestinians-in-gaza/ | title = Amnesty International concludes Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza| publisher = Amnesty International | date = 5 December 2024}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url = https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/12/19/israels-crime-extermination-acts-genocide-gaza |title = Israel's Crime of Extermination, Acts of Genocide in Gaza | publisher = Human Rights Watch | date = 19 December 2024}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url = https://press.un.org/en/2024/gapal1473.doc.htm | title = 'It Is Important to Call a Genocide a Genocide', Consider Suspending Israel's Credential as UN Member State, Experts Tell Palestinian Rights Committee | publisher = United Nations | date = 31 October 2024}}</ref> Něktore iz problemov Palestiny vključajut neefektivnu vladu, izraeljsku okupaciju, blokadu, ograničenja na prěměščenja, izraeljske poseljenja i nasilje so strany poseljencev, a takože obču nezadovoljenu situaciju s bezpečnostju. Oficalny jezyk državy jest [[arabsky jezyk]]. Medžutym kak večinstvo palestincev sut muslimani, hristianstvo takože jest prisutno. ==Linky i referencije== {{Iztočniky}} ==Vnešnje linky== * ''Tuty članok sodrživaje prěklad iz članka {{-|«[[:en:Palestine|Palestine»]]}} v Vikipediji na anglijskom ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Palestine&action=history spis avtorov]; dozvoljeńje {{-|[[ccorg:licenses/by-sa/4.0/|CC BY-SA 4.0]]).}}'' {{Državy v Aziji}} [[Kategorija:Državy v Aziji]] {{INTERWIKI|Q219060}} rgylkhjqknyzc4pmvpnf4twruxbsd9d Persijsky jezyk 0 1509 28524 28373 2026-07-11T03:20:05Z MwGamera 13 MwGamera prěimenoval stranicu [[Persidsky jezyk]] na [[Persijsky jezyk]]: Pogrěška v nazvě 28373 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka jezyk | name = Persidsky jezyk | nativename = * {{Jezyky|fa|فارْسِى|fa|پارسی}} | image = Persian Language Location Map.svg | imagecaption = Razprostranjenje persidskogo jezyka | states = [[Iran]], [[Afganistan]], [[Tadžikistan]], | ethnicity = persijci | speakers = 127 milionov | speakers_label = govoritelji | date = 2020-2024 | script = arabsko pismo, [[kirilica]] (v Tadžikistanu) | official = [[Iran]], [[Afganistan]] [[Tadžikistan]], | agency = Akademia persidskogo jezyka i literatury | family = * [[Indoevropejske jezyky|Indoevropejske]] ** [[Indoiranske jezyky]] *** [[Iranske jezyky]] }} '''Persidsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|fa|زبان فارسی}}) — jest jezyk iz indoiranskoj grupy [[Indoevropejske jezyky|indoevropejskih jezykov]], na ktorom govoret v [[Iran]]u, [[Afganistan]]u, [[Tadžikistan]]u, a takože v susědnih državah. Tutčas persidsky jest najrazprostranjenějši jezyk iz iranskih jezykov. Persidsky jezyk jest služebny jezyk Irana, Afganistana i Tadžikistana ( ako dari v Afganistanu i ako tadžiksky v Tadžikistanu). na proteženju dolgogo vrěme, načinajuči s X-XII věkov, persidsky upotrěbjal se ako jezyk medžunarodnoj komunikacije, kultury i nauky na iztoku islamskogo světa, i okazal veliky vliv na vse jezyki regiona od Turcije, Kavkaza i Kryma do Centralnoj azije i Indije. == Historija == V historiji persidskogo jezyka uděljajut 3 perioda: stary, srědnji i novy. Jezyky tyh epoh uměstno navyzajut: staropersidskym, srědnjepersidskym i novopersidskym. === Staropersidsky jezyk === Staropersidsky jezyk vozniknul na jugozapadu Irana (historičny region Pars, s ktorym svezyvajut se proizhodženje jezyka) i funkcionovala po mněnju naučnikov do III ili IV věka do n. e. Byla rodnym jezykom vladarov staropersidskoj Ahemenidskoj državy. V pismu upotrěbjal se klinopis (ktory byl dovoljno razvitoj sistemoj pisma, ibo im koristali se same rozne jezyky až 3 z polovinoju tyseč godov). V pocětku I tys. do n. e. stvoril se i rodstveny staropersidskomu avestijsky jezyk, liturgičny jezyk, na ktorom byli napisane religiozne teksty Avesty. Prědpoložiteljno staropersidsky klinopis, ktory jest uproščeny tip assiro-vavilonskogo, izkoristyval se Ahemenidami toliko v osoblivo važnyh momentah, a jezykom državnoj kancelarije byla onogdašnji medžunarodny jezyk — aramejsky. Pozdněje aramejsko pismo stalo izkoristyvati se v persidskom jezyku, i na jego osnovu byli stvorjeny pisma, ktory izkoristyvali se v Iranu do konečnoj islamizacije (srědnjepersidske pisma). [[Fajl:Shahnameh3-1.jpg|thumb|Stranica s srědnjevěkovogo manuskripta paemy Šahname, ktora sčitaje se persidskym nacionalnym eposom]] Nadpisy vladarov Darija i Kserksa shranili po nyně staropresidsky jezyk v jego klasičnoj formě, ktora odličala se bogatoju morfologijeju, podobnoj sistemě inogo staroiranskogo jezyka — avestijskogo — i sanskrita. Pozdnějše nadpisy — Artakserksa I Artakserksa II — svědčet pro veliko uproščenje morfologije, a napdisy Artakserksa III pokazyvajut, že v jego vrěme (IV věk do n. e.) počenal se srědnjepersidsky period razvitja jezyka. Srědnjepersidsky jezyk odličal se od staropersidskogo v osnovnom v morfologičnoj sistemě. Uproščenje i razpad staropersidskogo sklonjenja i spreženja, objedinjenje raznyh kategorij. klasov, i padezev da jednogo-dvuh,postupno slivanje končin pod vlivom novogo, ekspiratornogo udarjenja — ves toj proces, početok ktorogo napadno pokazany v nadpisah Artakserksa III, privedl v koncu sasanidskoj epohi (III-VII věka) k tomu analitičnomu stroju persidskogo jezyka, ktory ogledaje se pozdněje v tom že jezyku v pomnikah, napisanyh novoju, arabskoju grafikoju — na novopersidskom jezyku. [[Kategorija:Iranske jezyky]] {{INTERWIKI|Q9168}} 56unmtntnkgps133oebebx8n0q42udt 28528 28524 2026-07-11T03:54:01Z MwGamera 13 Persidsky→Persijsky; někoje ine tipkovky 28528 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka jezyk | name = Persijsky jezyk | nativename = * {{Jezyky|fa|فارْسِى|fa|پارسی}} | image = Persian Language Location Map.svg | imagecaption = Razprostranjen‌je persijskogo jezyka | states = [[Iran]], [[Afganistan]], [[Tadžikistan]], | ethnicity = persijci | speakers = 127 milionov | speakers_label = govoritelji | date = 2020-2024 | script = arabsko pismo, [[kirilica]] (v Tadžikistanu) | official = [[Iran]], [[Afganistan]] [[Tadžikistan]], | agency = Akademia persijskogo jezyka i literatury | family = * [[Indoevropejske jezyky|Indoevropejske]] ** [[Indoiranske jezyky]] *** [[Iranske jezyky]] }} '''Persijsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|fa|زبان فارسی}}) — jest jezyk iz indoiranskoj grupy [[Indoevropejske jezyky|indoevropejskih jezykov]], na ktorom govoret v [[Iran]]u, [[Afganistan]]u, [[Tadžikistan]]u, a takože v susědnyh državah. Tutčas persijsky jest najrazprostranjenějši jezyk iz iranskyh jezykov. Persijsky jezyk jest služebny jezyk Irana, Afganistana i Tadžikistana (ako dari v Afganistanu i ako tadžiksky v Tadžikistanu). Na protežen‌ju dolgogo vrěme, načinajuči s X-XII věkov, persijsky upotrěbjal se ako jezyk medžunarodnoj komunikacije, kultury i nauky na iztoku islamskogo světa, i okazal veliky vliv na vse jezyky regiona od Turcije, Kavkaza i Kryma do Centralnoj azije i Indije. == Historija == V historiji persijskogo jezyka uděljajut 3 perioda: stary, srědnji i novy. Jezyky tyh epoh uměstno nazyvajut: staropersijskym, srědnjepersijskym i novopersijskym. === Staropersijsky jezyk === Staropersijsky jezyk vozniknul na jugozapadu Irana (historičny region Pars, s ktorym svezyvajut se proizhodžen‌je jezyka) i funkcionovala po mněn‌ju naučnikov do III ili IV věka do n. e. Byla rodnym jezykom vladarev staropersijskoj Ahemenidskoj državy. V pismu upotrěbjal se klinopis (ktory byl dovoljno razvitoj sistemoj pisma, ibo im koristali se same rozne jezyky až 3 z polovinoju tyseč godov). V pocětku I tys. do n. e. stvoril se i rodstveny staropersijskomu avestijsky jezyk, liturgičny jezyk, na ktorom byli napisane religiozne teksty Avesty. Prědpoložiteljno staropersijsky klinopis, ktory jest uproščeny tip assiro-vavilonskogo, izkoristyval se Ahemenidami toliko v osoblivo važnyh momentah, a jezykom državnoj kancelarije byla onogdašnji medžunarodny jezyk — aramejsky. Pozdněje aramejsko pismo stalo izkoristyvati se v persijskom jezyku, i na jego osnovu byli stvorjeny pisma, ktory izkoristyvali se v Iranu do konečnoj islamizacije (srědnjepersijske pisma). [[Fajl:Shahnameh3-1.jpg|thumb|Stranica s srědnjevěkovogo manuskripta paemy Šahname, ktora sčitaje se persijskym nacionalnym eposom]] Nadpisy vladarov Darija i Kserksa shranili po nyně staropresidsky jezyk v jego klasičnoj formě, ktora odličala se bogatoju morfologijeju, podobnoj sistemě inogo staroiranskogo jezyka — avestijskogo — i sanskrita. Pozdnějše nadpisy — Artakserksa {{-|I}} i Artakserksa II — svědčet pro veliko uproščen‌je morfologije, a nadpisy Artakserksa III pokazyvajut, že v jego vrěme (IV věk do n. e.) počinal se srědnjepersijsky period razvitja jezyka. Srědnjepersijsky jezyk odličal se od staropersijskogo v osnovnom v morfologičnoj sistemě. Uproščen‌je i razpad staropersijskogo sklonjen‌ja i sprežen‌ja, objedinjen‌je raznyh kategorij, klasov, i padežev da jednogo-dvoh, postupno slivan‌je končin pod vlivom novogo, ekspiratornogo udarjen‌ja — ves toj proces, početok ktorogo napadno pokazany v nadpisah Artakserksa III, privedl v koncu sasanidskoj epohy (III-VII věka) k tomu analitičnomu stroju persijskogo jezyka, ktory ogledaje se pozdněje v tom že jezyku v pomnikah, napisanyh novoju, arabskoju grafikoju — na novopersijskom jezyku. [[Kategorija:Iranske jezyky]] {{INTERWIKI|Q9168}} fhzcdtlje64gpaygf7570p4hzc1wlw3 28529 28528 2026-07-11T04:14:07Z MwGamera 13 /* */ transl 28529 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka jezyk | name = Persijsky jezyk | nativename = * {{Jezyky|fa|فارْسِى|fa|پارسی}} | image = Persian Language Location Map.svg | imagecaption = Razprostranjen‌je persijskogo jezyka | states = [[Iran]], [[Afganistan]], [[Tadžikistan]], | ethnicity = persijci | speakers = 127 milionov | speakers_label = govoritelji | date = 2020-2024 | script = arabsko pismo, [[kirilica]] (v Tadžikistanu) | official = [[Iran]], [[Afganistan]] [[Tadžikistan]], | agency = Akademia persijskogo jezyka i literatury | family = * [[Indoevropejske jezyky|Indoevropejske]] ** [[Indoiranske jezyky]] *** [[Iranske jezyky]] }} '''Persijsky jezyk''' ili '''Persidsky''' ({{Jezyky|fa|زبان فارسی}} {{MFA|zæˈbɒːne fɒːɾˈsiː}}, {{-|''zabān-e fārsī''|{{lang|tg|забони форсӣ}}}}) — jest jezyk iz indoiranskoj grupy [[Indoevropejske jezyky|indoevropejskih jezykov]], na ktorom govoret v [[Iran]]u, [[Afganistan]]u, [[Tadžikistan]]u, a takože v susědnyh državah. Tutčas persijsky jest najrazprostranjenějši jezyk iz iranskyh jezykov. Persijsky jezyk jest služebny jezyk Irana, Afganistana i Tadžikistana (ako dari v Afganistanu i ako tadžiksky v Tadžikistanu). Na protežen‌ju dolgogo vrěme, načinajuči s {{-|X}}-XII věkov, persijsky upotrěbjal se ako jezyk medžunarodnoj komunikacije, kultury i nauky na iztoku islamskogo světa, i okazal veliky vliv na vse jezyky regiona od Turcije, Kavkaza i Kryma do Centralnoj azije i Indije. == Historija == V historiji persijskogo jezyka uděljajut 3 perioda: stary, srědnji i novy. Jezyky tyh epoh uměstno nazyvajut: staropersijskym, srědnjepersijskym i novopersijskym. === Staropersijsky jezyk === Staropersijsky jezyk vozniknul na jugozapadu Irana (historičny region Pars, s ktorym svezyvajut se proizhodžen‌je jezyka) i funkcionovala po mněn‌ju naučnikov do III ili IV věka do n. e. Byla rodnym jezykom vladarev staropersijskoj Ahemenidskoj državy. V pismu upotrěbjal se klinopis (ktory byl dovoljno razvitoj sistemoj pisma, ibo im koristali se same rozne jezyky až 3 z polovinoju tyseč godov). V pocětku I tys. do n. e. stvoril se i rodstveny staropersijskomu avestijsky jezyk, liturgičny jezyk, na ktorom byli napisane religiozne teksty Avesty. Prědpoložiteljno staropersijsky klinopis, ktory jest uproščeny tip assiro-vavilonskogo, izkoristyval se Ahemenidami toliko v osoblivo važnyh momentah, a jezykom državnoj kancelarije byla onogdašnji medžunarodny jezyk — aramejsky. Pozdněje aramejsko pismo stalo izkoristyvati se v persijskom jezyku, i na jego osnovu byli stvorjeny pisma, ktory izkoristyvali se v Iranu do konečnoj islamizacije (srědnjepersijske pisma). [[Fajl:Shahnameh3-1.jpg|thumb|Stranica s srědnjevěkovogo manuskripta paemy Šahname, ktora sčitaje se persijskym nacionalnym eposom]] Nadpisy vladarov Darija i Kserksa shranili po nyně staropresidsky jezyk v jego klasičnoj formě, ktora odličala se bogatoju morfologijeju, podobnoj sistemě inogo staroiranskogo jezyka — avestijskogo — i sanskrita. Pozdnějše nadpisy — Artakserksa {{-|I}} i Artakserksa II — svědčet pro veliko uproščen‌je morfologije, a nadpisy Artakserksa III pokazyvajut, že v jego vrěme (IV věk do n. e.) počinal se srědnjepersijsky period razvitja jezyka. Srědnjepersijsky jezyk odličal se od staropersijskogo v osnovnom v morfologičnoj sistemě. Uproščen‌je i razpad staropersijskogo sklonjen‌ja i sprežen‌ja, objedinjen‌je raznyh kategorij, klasov, i padežev da jednogo-dvoh, postupno slivan‌je končin pod vlivom novogo, ekspiratornogo udarjen‌ja — ves toj proces, početok ktorogo napadno pokazany v nadpisah Artakserksa III, privedl v koncu sasanidskoj epohy (III-VII věka) k tomu analitičnomu stroju persijskogo jezyka, ktory ogledaje se pozdněje v tom že jezyku v pomnikah, napisanyh novoju, arabskoju grafikoju — na novopersijskom jezyku. [[Kategorija:Iranske jezyky]] {{INTERWIKI|Q9168}} 06i7mcdhs9irk44z8jh3gs16dqi2nop 28530 28529 2026-07-11T04:22:52Z MwGamera 13 /* */ 28530 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka jezyk | name = Persijsky jezyk | nativename = * {{Jezyky|fa|فارْسِى|fa|پارسی}} | image = Persian Language Location Map.svg | imagecaption = Razprostranjen‌je persijskogo jezyka | states = [[Iran]], [[Afganistan]], [[Tadžikistan]], | ethnicity = persijci | speakers = 127 milionov | speakers_label = govoritelji | date = 2020-2024 | script = arabsko pismo, [[kirilica]] (v Tadžikistanu) | official = [[Iran]], [[Afganistan]] [[Tadžikistan]], | agency = Akademia persijskogo jezyka i literatury | family = * [[Indoevropejske jezyky|Indoevropejske]] ** [[Indoiranske jezyky]] *** [[Iranske jezyky]] }} '''Persijsky jezyk''' ili '''Farsi''' ({{Jezyky|fa|زبان فارسی}} {{MFA|zæˈbɒːne fɒːɾˈsiː}}, {{-|''zabān-e fārsī''|{{lang|tg|забони форсӣ}}}}) — jest jezyk iz indoiranskoj grupy [[Indoevropejske jezyky|indoevropejskih jezykov]], na ktorom govoret v [[Iran]]u, [[Afganistan]]u, [[Tadžikistan]]u, a takože v susědnyh državah. Tutčas persijsky jest najrazprostranjenějši jezyk iz iranskyh jezykov. Persijsky jezyk jest služebny jezyk Irana, Afganistana i Tadžikistana (ako dari v Afganistanu i ako tadžiksky v Tadžikistanu). Na protežen‌ju dolgogo vrěme, načinajuči s {{-|X}}-XII věkov, persijsky upotrěbjal se ako jezyk medžunarodnoj komunikacije, kultury i nauky na iztoku islamskogo světa, i okazal veliky vliv na vse jezyky regiona od Turcije, Kavkaza i Kryma do Centralnoj azije i Indije. == Historija == V historiji persijskogo jezyka uděljajut 3 perioda: stary, srědnji i novy. Jezyky tyh epoh uměstno nazyvajut: staropersijskym, srědnjepersijskym i novopersijskym. === Staropersijsky jezyk === Staropersijsky jezyk vozniknul na jugozapadu Irana (historičny region Pars, s ktorym svezyvajut se proizhodžen‌je jezyka) i funkcionovala po mněn‌ju naučnikov do III ili IV věka do n. e. Byla rodnym jezykom vladarev staropersijskoj Ahemenidskoj državy. V pismu upotrěbjal se klinopis (ktory byl dovoljno razvitoj sistemoj pisma, ibo im koristali se same rozne jezyky až 3 z polovinoju tyseč godov). V pocětku I tys. do n. e. stvoril se i rodstveny staropersijskomu avestijsky jezyk, liturgičny jezyk, na ktorom byli napisane religiozne teksty Avesty. Prědpoložiteljno staropersijsky klinopis, ktory jest uproščeny tip assiro-vavilonskogo, izkoristyval se Ahemenidami toliko v osoblivo važnyh momentah, a jezykom državnoj kancelarije byla onogdašnji medžunarodny jezyk — aramejsky. Pozdněje aramejsko pismo stalo izkoristyvati se v persijskom jezyku, i na jego osnovu byli stvorjeny pisma, ktory izkoristyvali se v Iranu do konečnoj islamizacije (srědnjepersijske pisma). [[Fajl:Shahnameh3-1.jpg|thumb|Stranica s srědnjevěkovogo manuskripta paemy Šahname, ktora sčitaje se persijskym nacionalnym eposom]] Nadpisy vladarov Darija i Kserksa shranili po nyně staropresidsky jezyk v jego klasičnoj formě, ktora odličala se bogatoju morfologijeju, podobnoj sistemě inogo staroiranskogo jezyka — avestijskogo — i sanskrita. Pozdnějše nadpisy — Artakserksa {{-|I}} i Artakserksa II — svědčet pro veliko uproščen‌je morfologije, a nadpisy Artakserksa III pokazyvajut, že v jego vrěme (IV věk do n. e.) počinal se srědnjepersijsky period razvitja jezyka. Srědnjepersijsky jezyk odličal se od staropersijskogo v osnovnom v morfologičnoj sistemě. Uproščen‌je i razpad staropersijskogo sklonjen‌ja i sprežen‌ja, objedinjen‌je raznyh kategorij, klasov, i padežev da jednogo-dvoh, postupno slivan‌je končin pod vlivom novogo, ekspiratornogo udarjen‌ja — ves toj proces, početok ktorogo napadno pokazany v nadpisah Artakserksa III, privedl v koncu sasanidskoj epohy (III-VII věka) k tomu analitičnomu stroju persijskogo jezyka, ktory ogledaje se pozdněje v tom že jezyku v pomnikah, napisanyh novoju, arabskoju grafikoju — na novopersijskom jezyku. [[Kategorija:Iranske jezyky]] {{INTERWIKI|Q9168}} kpdsn72hynvsgmanc7yzgu4el8m7j80 Popeluška 0 1553 28498 12957 2026-07-10T13:21:48Z Minorax 40 28498 wikitext text/x-wiki "'''Popeluška'''" ({{Jezyky|fr|Cendrillon}}, {{Jezyky|en|Cinderella}}, {{Jezyky|de|Aschenputtel}}, {{Jezyky|ru|Золушка}}, {{Jezyky|be|Папялушка}}, {{Jezyky|uk|Попелюшка}}, {{Jezyky|pl|Kopciuszek}}, {{Jezyky|cs|Popelka}}, {{Jezyky|sk|Popoluška}}, {{Jezyky|bg|Пепеляшка}}, {{Jezyky|mk|Пепелашка}}, {{Jezyky|sr|Пепељуга}}, {{Jezyky|hr|Pepeljuga}}, {{Jezyky|sl|Pepelka}}) jest personaž folklornoj skazky s tysečami variantov, ktore razkazyvajut se v cělom světu. ''Popeluška'' je mlada děvčina, živuča v težkoj nudži, ktoroj iznenada pripadaje ogromno ščestje i vozhodženje jej na tron črěz supružstvo. Obyčno historiki myslet o povědkě ''{{-|Rhodopis}}'', prěrazkazanoj grečskym geografom ''Strabo'' priblizno medžu 7. godom {{-|BC}} i 23. godom {{-|AD}}, o grečskoj rabynji, ktora se omužila s kraljem Egipta, kako o najranšem variantu povědky o ''Popeluške''.[[:en:Cinderella|<sup>[1]</sup>]] Prva doslovno Evropejska verzija toj povědky byla jest publikovana v Italiji avtorom Džianbatistom Basilem ({{Jezyky|it|Gianbattista Basile}}) v knigě “{{-|Pentamerone}}” v godu 1634; a versija, ktora jest tutčasno široko izvěstna v anglojezyčnom světu, byla publikovana vo Franciji Šarlom Perrotom ({{Jezyky|fr|Charles Perrault}}) v knigě “''{{Lang|fr|Histoires ou contes du temps passé}}''” v godu 1697 pod nazvoju ''{{Lang|fr|Cendrillon}}'' i byla anglizovana kako ''{{-|Cinderella}}''. Dalša versija byla pozdněje izdana kako ''{{Lang|de|Aschenputtel}}'' bratjami ''Grimmami'' v jih sobranju narodnyh bajek v 1812 godu. Ačekoli nazva povědky i ime glavnoj herojinje měnjaje se v različnyh jezykah, ime "''Popeluška''" stalo se arhetypičskym i označaje někogo, čije dostojenstva ne sut ocěnjene, ili někogo, kto neočekyvano dosegaje uznanja ili uspěha po dolgom periodu nejasnosti i odrěčenja. V sportu, ime "''Popeluška''" upotrěbjaje se k nedoocěnjenoj komandě ili klubu, ktore pobědžajut nad silnejšim ili vyše obljubjenym konkurentom. Vsečasno popularna povědka o Popeluškě i dalje vlivaje na popularnu kulturu na cělom světu kako iztočnik elementov fabuly, aluzij i metafor za različnu kulturu. [[Kategorija:Basnje]] {{INTERWIKI|Q11841}} oc03n6u7hzd6yko5nezg4mapr82o4uo Promysl 0 1576 28480 13124 2026-07-10T13:14:50Z MwGamera 13 zwsp→zwnj 28480 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:American_Viscose_Plant_Front_Royal_VA_postcard.jpg|thumb|300px|Fabrika s dymnikami, tipičny simbol industrializacije.]] '''Promysl''' (od {{Jezyky|la|industria}} — pilnost, dějateljnost; takože '''industrija''') jest sovkupnost [[Prědprijemstvo|prědprijemstv]] (zavodov, fabrik, rudnikov, šaht, elektrostancij), ktore zajmajut se dobyvan‌jem [[Surovina|surovin]], proizvodstvom energije i obrabotkoju materialov, a takože proizvodstvom gotovyh tovarov i okazan‌jem uslug proizvodstvenogo haraktera. Promysl jest važna čest [[Ekonomika|ekonomiky]] i sfery materialnogo proizvodstva, ktora harakterizuje se poděljen‌jem truda, specializacijeju, masovym proizvodstvom i koristan‌jem mašin i mehanizmov.<ref name="Kalpakjian">{{Cite book | last1 = Kalpakjian | first1 = Serope | last2 = Schmid | first2 = Steven | year = 2006 | title = Manufacturing Engineering and Technology (5th ed.) | publisher = Pearson Education | isbn = 0-13-148965-8}}</ref> Promysl sostavja osnovu [[Industrializacija|industrializacije]]. On jest dominantnym sektorom ekonomiky v industrialnyh krajinah i važnym faktorom razvitja v razvivajučih se stranah. Objem promyslnogo proizvodstva ({{Lang|en|manufacturing}}) često koristi se kako indikator ekonomičnogo zdravja i močnosti državy.<ref name="Groover">{{Cite book | last = Groover | first = Mikell P. | year = 2010 | title = Fundamentals of Modern Manufacturing: Materials, Processes, and Systems (4th ed.) | publisher = John Wiley & Sons | isbn = 978-0470-467002}}</ref> == Etimologija == Slovo «promysl» v [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk|medžuslovjanskom jezyku]], podobno kako v russkom (''{{Lang|ru|промышленность}}''), češskom (''{{Lang|cs|průmysl}}'') i poljskom (''{{Lang|pl|przemysł}}''), imaje korenj svezany s mysljen‌jem (''mysl'') i dějateljnostju. V staroslovjanskom kontekstu to označalo uměn‌je, hytrost, ili sposobnost dobytja čego-nebud. Termin «industrija» prohodi od latinskogo slova ''{{Lang|la|industria}}'', čto označa «usilje», «trudoljubje», «dějateljnost». V mnogyh jezykah termin ''{{Lang|en|manufacturing}}'' (proizvodstvo) proizhodi od latinskogo ''{{Lang|la|manu factus}}'' (sdělano rukoju), čto ukazyvaje na historične korenje proizvodstva v ručnom trudě.<ref name="Hounshell">{{Cite book | last = Hounshell | first = David A. | year = 1984 | title = From the American System to Mass Production, 1800–1932: The Development of Manufacturing Technology in the United States | publisher = Johns Hopkins University Press | isbn = 978-0-8018-2975-8}}</ref> == Historija == Historija promysla jest těsno svezana s razvitjem tehnologij i organizacije truda. Ona prohodi črěz nekoliko etapov: od domašnogo remesla do sovrěmennyh avtomatizovanyh sistem.<ref name="Womack">Womack, James P.; Jones, Daniel T.; Roos, Daniel (1990). ''The Machine That Changed the World''. Simon & Schuster. ISBN 978-0-7432-9979-4.</ref> === Do promyslnoj revolucije === V drěvnosti i srědnjevěčju proizvodstvo bazovalo se na ručnom trudě. Osnovne formy byli: * '''Domašno proizvodstvo''': Izgotovjen‌je produktov dlja sobstvenyh potrěb v ramkah sěmji ili sela. * '''[[Remeslo]]''': Profesionalne izgotovjen‌je izdělkov na zakaz ili dlja trga. Remeslniki često organizovali se v [[ceh]]y dlja zaščity svojih interesov, regulacije cěn i kontrolji kakosti. * '''Manufaktura''': Prva forma promyslnogo proizvodstva, ktora pojavila se v Evropě v 14–16. stolětjah. Manufaktura uže koristala poděljen‌je truda medžu rabotnikami vnutri jednoj majstrnje, ale osnovyvala se vesde na ručnoj tehnikě i prostyh instrumentah.<ref name="Pounovic">Pounovic, M.; (2012). ''History of Industrial Development''. Belgrade University Press.</ref> === Prva promyslna revolucija === V koncu 18. i na početku 19. stolětja, načinajuči v [[Velika Britanija|Velikoj Britaniji]], stala se [[Promyslna revolucija]]. Ona označala prěhod od ručnogo truda k mašinnomu. Ključne iznahodky byli [[parna mašina]] ({{-|James Watt|Джејмз Ватт}}), mehaničny tkačsky stanok i nove metody topjen‌ja [[Želězo|želěza]] s koristan‌jem kamennogo vuglja (koksa). Povstali prve fabriky i zavody, čto vedlo k bystroj urbanizaciji i socialnym izměnam.<ref name="Landes">Landes, David S. (1969). ''The Unbound Prometheus: Technological Change and Industrial Development in Western Europe from 1750 to the Present''. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 0-521-09418-6.</ref> === Druga promyslna revolucija === V koncu 19. stolětja i na početku 20. stolětja nastupila Druga promyslna revolucija. Ona byla osnovana na implementaciji novyh iztočnikov energije: [[Električna energija|električnoj energije]] i [[Nafta|nafty]]. Iznahodka dvigatelja vnutrišnjego sgorěn‌ja, konvejernogo proizvodstva ({{-|Henry Ford|Хенри Форд}}) i razvitje hemičnogo promysla pozvolili načeti eru masovogo proizvodstva i standardizacije.<ref name="Chandler">Chandler, Alfred D. Jr. (1977). ''The Visible Hand: The Managerial Revolution in American Business''. Harvard University Press. ISBN 978-0-674-94052-9.</ref> === Tretja promyslna revolucija === V drugoj polovině 20. stolětja, s pojavjen‌jem [[kompjuter]]ov, mikroelektroniky i telekomunikacij, nastupila Tretja promyslna revolucija (ili Digitalna revolucija). Ona vvedla avtomatizaciju proizvodstva, koristan‌je promyslnyh robotov, sistem ČPU (čislno programno upravjen‌je) i informacijnyh tehnologij (IT) v upravjen‌ju prědprijemstvami.<ref name="Rifkin">Rifkin, Jeremy (2011). ''The Third Industrial Revolution: How Lateral Power Is Transforming Energy, the Economy, and the World''. Palgrave Macmillan. ISBN 978-0-230-11521-7.</ref> === Četvrta promyslna revolucija (Industrija 4.0) === Tutčas my jesmo svědki Četvrtoj promyslnoj revolucije, ktora vključaje v sebe internet věčij ({{-|IoT}}), [[umětny razum]], velike dane (big data), {{-|3D}}-pečatan‌je i polnu avtomatizaciju «umnyh fabrik». Cěljem jest stvorjen‌je kiber-fizičnyh sistem, kde mašiny komunikujut medžu soboju i prijmajut rěšen‌ja bez učestja člověka.<ref name="Schwab">Schwab, Klaus (2016). ''The Fourth Industrial Revolution''. World Economic Forum. ISBN 978-1-944835-00-2.</ref> == Klasifikacija promysla == Promysl obyčno děli se na razne grupy v zavisnosti od haraktera proizvodstva, naznačen‌ja produkcije i težiny.<ref name="Sichel">Sichel, Daniel E. (2001). "Productivity and Economic Growth". ''Encyclopedia of Macroeconomics''. pp. 605–607.</ref> === Po harakteru vozdějstva na prědmet truda === '''Dobyvajuči promysl''' (Ekstraktivna industrija): Zajmaje se dobyvan‌jem prirodnyh resursov neposrědno iz prirody. * Gorny promysl (dobyvan‌je rud, vuglja, nafty, gaza, soli). * Drěvorěžen‌je (ruban‌je lěsa). * Rybolovstvo i dobyvan‌je morskyh zvěrev. * Hidroelektrostancije (eksploatacija vodnyh resursov). '''Prěrabotyvajuči promysl''' (Manufakturna industrija): Zajmaje se obrabotkoju surovin i polufabrikatov, polučenyh iz dobyvajučego promysla ili selskogo gospodarstva. * [[Metalurgija]]. * [[Mašinostrojen‌je]]. * Hemičny i petrohemičny promysl. * Legky, tekstilny i krmny promysl.<ref name="Feser">Feser, Edward J. (2000). "What constitutes a local production system?". ''Regional Studies''. 34 (1): 1–17.</ref> === Po ekonomičnomu naznačen‌ju produkcije === V marksističnoj i planovoj ekonomikě često koristalo se poděljen‌je na: * '''Grupa A''': Proizvodstvo srědstv proizvodstva (mašiny, oborudovan‌je, surovina, energija). Tuto često nazyvaje se '''težky promysl'''. * '''Grupa B''': Proizvodstvo prědmetov upotrěbjen‌ja (odědža, obuv, mebelj, jedivo, bytova tehnika). Tuto često nazyvaje se '''legky promysl'''.<ref name="Kornai">Kornai, János (1992). ''The Socialist System: The Political Economy of Communism''. Princeton University Press. ISBN 0-691-00393-9.</ref> == Sektory promysla == Promysl sostoji iz mnogyh sektorov (oblastij), ktore imajut svoju specifiku tehnologije i produkcije. === Energetika === [[Energetika]] jest fundament vsego promysla. Bez energije ne rabotajut mašiny i zavody. Ona vključaje dobyvan‌je energetičnyh resursov i proizvodstvo elektroenergije. * '''Elektroenergetika''': Proizvodstvo energije na [[Teplova elektrostancija|teplnyh (TES)]], [[Hidroelektrostancija|hidravličnyh (HES)]], [[Atomna elektrostancija|atomnyh (AES)]] i alternativnyh elektrostancijah (větrne, solnečne, geotermalne). * '''Palivny promysl''': Dobyvan‌je i prěrabotka [[Vugolj|vuglja]], [[Nafta|nafty]], [[Gaz|prirodnogo gaza]], torfa i slanca.<ref name="IEA">International Energy Agency (2019). ''World Energy Outlook 2019''. IEA. ISBN 978-92-64-97300-8.</ref> === Metalurgija === [[Metalurgija]] zajmaje se proizvodstvom metalov iz rudy ili metaloloma. * '''Črna metalurgija''': Dobyvan‌je želěznoj rudy, proizvodstvo čuguna (litogo želěza), stali i prokata. Jest osnovoju dlja mašinostrojen‌ja i strojiteljstva. * '''Kolorna metalurgija''': Proizvodstvo mědi, aluminija, cinka, olova, nikelja, zlata, srěbra i inyh neželěznyh metalov. Tute metaly sut važne dlja elektroniky i aviacije.<ref name="Habashi">Habashi, Fathi (2002). ''Textbook of Pyrometallurgy''. Métallurgie Extractive Québec. ISBN 2-922686-05-1.</ref> === Mašinostrojen‌je === [[Mašinostrojen‌je]] jest najvyše složena i razvita oblast, ktora oprěděljaje tehničny uraven‌j vsej ekonomiky. Ona vključaje: * '''Transportno mašinostrojen‌je''': Avtomobilny promysl, aviacija, korabostrojen‌je, proizvodstvo vlakov i vagonov. * '''Stankostrojen‌je''': Proizvodstvo stankov, instrumentov i promysľnyh robotov. * '''Elektrotehnika i elektronika''': Proizvodstvo kompjuterov, telefonov, bytovoj tehniky, energetičnogo oborudovan‌ja (turbiny, generatory). * '''Selsko-gospodarsko mašinostrojen‌je''': Proizvodstvo traktorov i kombajnov. * '''Priborostrojen‌je''': Optika, časovniky, medicinska tehnika.<ref name="Heizer">Heizer, Jay; Render, Barry (2013). ''Operations Management: Sustainability and Supply Chain Management'' (11th ed.). Pearson. ISBN 978-0-13-292114-5.</ref> === Hemičny promysl === [[Hemičny promysl]] koristi hemične procesy za prěobražen‌je surovin (nafty, gaza, mineralov) v nove materialy. * '''Osnovna hemija''': Proizvodstvo kyslin (sěrna, azotna), alkalij, sody, mineralnyh udobrjenij. * '''Hemija organičnoj sintezy''': Proizvodstvo polimerov, plastik, sintetičnyh vlakon, sintetičnogo kaučuka. * '''Farmacevtičny promysl''': Proizvodstvo lěkov i medicinskyh preparatov. * '''Lako-barvivny promysl''': Barviva, laky.<ref name="Arpe">Arpe, Hans-Jürgen (2010). ''Industrial Organic Chemistry''. Wiley-VCH. ISBN 978-3-527-32002-8.</ref> === Lěsny promysl === Zajmaje se zagotovkoju i prěrabotkoju drěva. Vključaje drěvorěžan‌je, drěvoobrabotku (proizvodstvo dosok, mebelji, fanery) i celulozno-papirny promysl (proizvodstvo [[papir]]a, kartona, celulozy).<ref name="Smook">Smook, Gary A. (2002). ''Handbook for Pulp & Paper Technologists'' (3rd ed.). Angus Wilde Publications. ISBN 0-9694628-5-9.</ref> === Legky promysl === Proizvodstvo tovarov masovoj upotrěby iz naturalnyh i sintetičnyh materialov. * '''Tekstilny promysl''': Proizvodstvo tkanin iz bavolny, ljna, volny i sintetičnyh nitij. * '''Šivny promysl''': Šitje odědže i bělizny. * '''Koženy i obuvny promysl''': Proizvodstvo obuvi, torb i izdělkov iz kože.<ref name="Dickerson">Dickerson, Kitty G. (2003). ''Textiles and Apparel in the Global Economy''. Prentice Hall. ISBN 978-0-13-096772-5.</ref> === Krmny promysl === [[Krmny promysl]] prěrabotyvaje produkty selskogo gospodarstva v gotovu jedu. Vključaje mesny, mlěčny, hlěbopekarsky, konditersky, rybny i konservny sektory, a takože proizvodstvo napitkov (alkoholnyh i bezalkoholnyh) i tabaka.<ref name="Heldman">Heldman, Dennis R.; Hartel, Richard W. (1997). ''Principles of Food Processing''. Springer. ISBN 978-0-8342-1269-5.</ref> == Faktory razměščen‌ja promysla == Razměščen‌je promyslnyh prědprijemstv ne jest slučajno, ale zavisi od reda ekonomičnyh i geografičnyh faktorov: * '''Surovinny faktor''': Blizkost k iztočnikam suroviny (važno dlja sektorov, kde surovina jest težka ili bystro kazi se, napr. cement ili cukr). * '''Palivno-energetičny faktor''': Blizkost k deševoj energiji (dlja energojemnyh proizvodstv, napr. proizvodstvo aluminija). * '''Upotrěbiteljsky faktor''': Blizkost k městam upotrěby (dlja hlěbopekarenj, proizvodstva mebeljev, piva). * '''Trudovy faktor''': Dostupnost rabočej sily. Dlja něktoryh sektorov trěba mnogo ljudij (tekstilny), dlja inyh — vysoko kvalifikovanyh specialistov (elektronika, farmacija). * '''Transportny faktor''': Dostupnost drag, portov i želěznic dlja dostavky surovin i vyvoza produkcije. * '''Ekologičny faktor''': Ograničen‌ja na zanečiščen‌je srědiny v gustonaseljenyh rajonah.<ref>Weber, Alfred (1929). ''Theory of the Location of Industries''. University of Chicago Press.</ref> == Promysl v světě == Razměščen‌je promysla v světě ne jest ravnoměrno. Jestvujut glavne promyslne regiony: * '''Sěverna Amerika''' (SŠA, Kanada): Tradicijno silny region s vysoko razvitym mašinostrojen‌jem, hemijeju i elektronikoju. «Rdžavy pojas» ({{Lang|en|Rust Belt}}) jest stary centr težkogo promysla. * '''Evropa''' (Němcija, Francija, Velika Britanija, Italija, Poljska, Čehija, Rosija): Stare i nove promyslne centry s razvitym mašinostrojen‌jem, avtomobilnym i hemičnym promyslom. Rursky region v Němciji jest klasičny priměr. * '''Vozhodna Azija''' (Kitaj, Japonija, Južna Koreja, Tajvan): Tutčas region nazyvaje se «fabrika světa». Kitaj jest liderom v proizvodstvě stali, elektroniky, tekstila i tovarov širokogo upotrěbjen‌ja. Japonija i Koreja specializujut se na vysokotehnologičnoj produkciji i korabostrojen‌ju. * '''Ine regiony''': Bystro rastut nove industrialne državy: Indija, Brazilija, Meksiko, Turcija, Indonezija.<ref name="Dicken">Dicken, Peter (2015). ''Global Shift: Mapping the Changing Contours of the World Economy'' (7th ed.). Guilford Press. ISBN 978-1-4625-1955-2.</ref> == Vliv na okružajuču srědu == Promysl imaje silny i često negativny vliv na [[Priroda|prirodu]] i [[Ekologija|ekologiju]]. * '''Zanečiščen‌je vozduha''': Emisije vugljekyslogo gaza (CO2), sěry, azota i pyla iz fabrik i elektrostancij pričinajut kysle dožde, smog i [[Globalno otepljenje|globalno otepljen‌je]]. * '''Zanečiščen‌je vody''': Stečen‌je neočiščenyh promyslnyh vod v rěky i morja otravjajut vodne ekosistemy i izniščajut ryby. * '''Zanečiščen‌je počvy''': Nagromadžen‌je tvrdyh odpadov, šljakov i toksičnyh hemikalij na smetoviščah. * '''Izčrpan‌je resursov''': Intensivno dobyvan‌je surovin (nafty, rud) vede k jihnomu izčrpan‌ju i narušen‌ju krajevidov. Sovrěmenny promysl stremi se k «zelenym tehnologijam», prěrabotkě odpadov ({{Lang|en|recycling}}), povyšen‌ju energo-efektivnosti i snižen‌ju vrědnyh odpadov, da by shraniti planetu za buduče pokoljen‌ja.<ref name="Sarkis">Sarkis, Joseph (2001). "Manufacturing's role in corporate environmental sustainability". ''International Journal of Operations & Production Management''. 21 (5/6): 666–686.</ref> == Gledite takože == * [[Ekonomika]] * [[Zavod]] * [[Tehnologija]] * [[Zemjedělstvo]] * [[Sektor uslug]] * [[Transport]] == Iztočniky == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} [[Kategorija:Tehnologija]] [[Kategorija:Promysl]] {{INTERWIKI|Q8148}} r34jzd7gfx7ucvipuy1qdw301yzpol1 Tehnofeudalizm 0 1821 28491 15239 2026-07-10T13:18:24Z Minorax 40 28491 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Tehnofeudalizm''' je termin za opisanje modernoj [[Ekonomika|ekonomičnoj]] sistemy, v ktoroj velike tehnologične kompanije imajut vlast, sravnimu s [[Feudalizm|feudalnymi]] gospodarami prošlosti. Vměsto zemje, tute kompanije kontrolujut digitalne platformy, dane, i onlajn-trgovju. Ljudi i maly biznes opirajut se na tute platfromy, kak seljani někogda opirali se na feudalnyh gospodarev za zemju i ohranu. == Proizhodženje ideje == Koncepcija tehnofeudalizma byla izrabotana několikymi mysliteljami, ktori utvrdžajut, že digitalny kapitalizm směnjaje se novym tipom ekonomičnoj kontroly. Jedin iz najvyše znanyh avtorov tutoj koncepcije jest [[Jannis Varufakis]], ekonomist i byvši ministr finansov [[Grecija|Grecije]]. On utvrdžaje, že kompanije kak {{-|[[Google]], [[Amazon]], [[Facebook]], [[AirBnB]], [[Uber]], [[Apple]], [[Spotify]]}} i tak dalje, ne prosto konkurujut na trgovišču, a vladajut jim i kontrolujut jego, ravno kak feudalni gospodari kontrolovali zemju v srědnjevěčju.<ref name=":0">{{-|Varoufakis, Yanis (2023) ''Technofeudalism: What Killed Capitalism''}}</ref> Francuzsky filozof Sedrik Djuran ({{-|[[Cédric Durand]]}}) takože izslěduje tutu ideju v svojej knigě {{Lang|fr|Technoféodalisme: Critique de l’économie numérique}} (2020)<ref>{{-|Durand Cédric, ''Technoféodalisme: Critique de l’économie numérique'' (2020)}}</ref>, kde on opisyvaje, kak digitalne platmormy izvlěkajut bogatstvo iz koristnikov, rabotnikov i biznesov bez pravdivoj konkurencije. On utvrdžaje, že dnešna ekonomika už ne jest osnovana na tradicijnom kapitalizmu, kde biznesy konkurujut, ale na sistemě, kde několiko tehnologičnyh gigantov upravjajut digitalnym prostorom. Drugy naučnik, Džodi Din ({{-|Jodi Dean}}), svezyvaje tehnofeudalizm s rastom "platformovogo kapitalizma", kde rabotniki i koristniki ne vladajut nad srědstvami proizvodstva, ale opirajut se na kompanije, da by dostati dostup do raboty, socialnyh svezov i daže bazovyh uslug.<ref>{{-|Dean Jodi (2020) ''[https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/neofeudalism-the-end-of-capitalism/ Neofeudalism: The End of Capitalism? LA Review of Books.]''}} Data posěčenja 18 novembra 2025.</ref> Tuti myslitelji věret, že vměsto stvorenja svobodnogo i otvorjenogo interneta, digitalne platformy izbudovali sistemu, kde vlast je koncentrovana v rukah nemnogyh, utežajuči možlivost malyh igračev na uspěh.<gallery mode="packed" widths="350" heights="200" caption="Sedrik Djuran i Jannis Varufakis sut dva najvyše znani avtori, ktori pišut o tenhofeudalizmu"> File:2019-04-13 Yanis Varoufakis by Olaf Kosinsky-0658 (cropped).jpg|Jannis Varufakis </gallery> == Osnovne črty == Tehnofeudalizm imaje něktore podobnosti so staroju feudalnoju sistemoju: * Kontrola za digitalnymi platformami – Velike kompanije vladajut i upravjajut platformami, takymi kak sut socialne mrěži, elektronična trgovja, oblačno izčisljenje, uslug dovoza i taksi, rěšajuči, kto može učestvovati i na kakyh uslovjah. * Zavisnost od {{-|Big Tech}} – biznesy i rabotniki sut povinni slědovati pravilam platform (ktore mnogo često sut neregulovane zakonom držav i sut eksploatacijne), že by zarabotyvati groše, podobno kak seljani sut zavisni od gospodarev. * Vladěnje danymi – tehnologične kompanije sbirajut i koristajut personalne dane, čto davaje jim vyše vlasti nad koristnikami. * Ograničena konkurencija – nemnogo kompanij dominuje nad cělymi promyslami, utežajuči konkurenciju za maly biznes. == Priměry == Něktorymi priměrami tehnofeudalizma sut: Gig-rabotniki – šoferi taksi i rabotniki uslug dovoza zaviset od algoritmov velikyh kompanij, ktore regulujut jih dohod (poněkogda vzimajuči do 50-70% dohoda)<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zGlYNS2qGk {{-|How Uber Robs Its Drivers. YouTube kanal More Perfect Union}}.] Data posěčenja 18 novembra 2025.</ref> Prodavači onlajn-trgovišč – Mnoge male biznesy prodavajut produkciju na velikyh onlajn-trgoviščah, ale one sut povinne slědovati pravilam i platiti komisiju. Velike kompanije, take kak Amazon, koristajut algoritmy, že by najdti najvyše koristne tovary za prodavanje i směnjajut maly biznes na tovary pod svojim brendom ({{-|Amazon Basics}}).<ref name=":0" /> Socialne mrěži – ljudi dělajut kontent na socialnyh mrěžah, ale platformy rěšajut, kto jego uvidi i kak mnogo grošev zarabotajut avtori. == Spis literatury == {{Iztočniky}} == Vněšnje linky == * ''Tutoj članok imaje prěvod iz članka <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">«[[:simple:Technofeudalism|Technofeudalism]]» </span> v Vikipediji na'' ''prostom anglijskom jezyku ([https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Technofeudalism&action=history spis avtorov]; dozvoljeńje <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">[[ccorg:licenses/by-sa/4.0/|CC BY-SA 4.0]]).</span>'' [[Kategorija:Ekonomika| ]] [[Kategorija:Sociologija]] {{INTERWIKI|Q132171375}} 971k9lel1lrw153fiaqmo49hlht9jkt Ukrajinska latinica 0 1874 28489 15632 2026-07-10T13:17:55Z Minorax 40 28489 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Ruśkyj Kalendar dla tych, szczo ne znajut' ruśkoho pyśma (1910).jpg|thumb|250px|Kalendar {{-|''Rusałka''}} (1910): «za tyh, ktori ne znajut rutensko pismo»]] '''Ukrajinska latinica''' ({{Jezyky|uk|українська латинка, українська латиниця}}) jest variant [[Latinica|latinskogo alfabeta]], prisposobjeny za pisanje [[Ukrajinsky jezyk|ukrajinskogo jezyka]]. Osoblivo v [[Galicija|Galiciji]] v 19. stolětju byli podimane proby za prěobračenje ukrajinskogo pravopisa v latinicu, medžu drugymi ukrajinskym naučnikom i svečennikom Josypom Lozynskym i češskym slavistom Josifom Jiračkom, ktore pričinili zavzete debaty i dvě tako nazyvajeme «Azbučne vojny». Podčas prvyh dvoh desetilětij [[Sovětsky Sojuz|Sovětskogo Sojuza]], v ktoryh vedena byla velika latinizacijna kampanija srěd menših jezykov Rosije, takože odbyvali se razgovory o vvedenju latinskogo pravopisa za ukrajinsky jezyk. V digitalnoj době pojavili se nove – seriozne i menje seriozne – prědloženja. Različaje se medžu ukrajinskoju latiniceju, prěznačenoju za samyh Ukrajincev, i [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka|latinizacijeju ukrajinskogo jezyka]], prěznačenoju za medžunarodnu upotrěbu ljudami, ktori ne znajut kirilicu. == Historija == [[Fajl:Ruskoje wesile Lozińskoho (1835).jpg|thumb|{{-|Ruskoje wesile}} J. Lozynskogo (1835)]] Teksty v [[Rutensky jezyk|rutenskom jezyku]] pojavili se uže v prvoj polovině 16. stolětja.<ref>{{Cite book | last = Ісаєвич | first = Ярослав | title = Українське книговидання: витоки, розвиток, проблеми | url = http://litopys.org.ua/isaevych/is.htm | place = Львів | year = 2002 | chapter = Польськомовне і латинське друкарство | chapter-url = http://litopys.org.ua/isaevych/is19.htm | language = uk}}</ref>. Obseg upotrěby latinice v 17. i 18. stolětjah byl široky na [[Pravobrěžna Ukrajina|Pravobrěžnoj Ukrajině]], a teksty pečetane latinskym alfabetom daže byli až v [[Harkiv|Harkovu]].<ref name="cornovol">{{Cite journal | last = Чорновол | first = Ігор |title = Латинка в українському правописі: ретроспектива і perspektyva | journal = Незалежний культурологічний часопис «Ї» | year = 2001 | volume = 23 | url = http://www.ji.lviv.ua/n23texts/chornovol.htm | language = uk}}</ref>. Jednakože velika čest Rutenov, osoblivo ti povezani s [[Pravoslavje|pravoslavnymi]] kulturnymi obsrědinami, mněla, že nerazlučno svezana s rutenskym jezykom i kulturoju imaje byti [[kirilica]]. === Prědloženja i koristanje v 19. stolětju === [[Fajl:Азбука і Abecadlo полемічний твір М Шашкевича проти латинки виданий у Перемишлі в 1836 році.jpg | thumb | Odgovor Marijana Šaškevyča]] V 19. stolětju razne osoby v Galiciji, ktora onogda byla čest [[Avstrija|kraljevstva Avstrije]], silili se za vvedenje latinskogo alfabeta za pisanje ukrajinskogo jezyka. Na početku stolětja byli srěd njih Avgust Ljudvig Šlecer ({{Jezyky|de|August Ludwig von Schlözer}}) i Josip Voltić, a něčto pozdněje i [[Jernej Kopitar]] i A. Pahmajer. V tečenju stolětja pytanje ukrajinskogo pravopisanja stalo vse bolje točkoju sporu, ne samo medžu Ukrajincami i Poljakami, ale takože vnutri ukrajinskyh obsrědin. V 1830-yh lětah napruženje dovedlo k gorkoj publičnoj debatě, znajemoj pod nazvoju «azbučna vojna» ({{Jezyky|uk|азбучна війна}}). ==== Azbučna vojna: prva faza ==== V 1833 g. Vaclav Zaleskyj publikoval sbornik poljskyh i ukrajinskyh narodnyh pěsnij, napečetany poljskymi bukvami. Po jegovomu mněnju kirilica byla kulturna oznaka, ktora odličala evropejsku civilizaciju od neevropejskoj.<ref>{{Cite book | last = Dwornik | first = Kamil | chapter = Słoweńska "abecedna vojna" i pierwsza ukraińska «азбучна війна» w Galicji – próba porównania | url = http://www.academia.edu/5365156/Słoweńska_abecedna_vojna_i_pierwsza_ukraińska_азбучна_війна_w_Galicji_próba_porównania | title = Slovanský svět: Známý či neznámý |editor1-first = Kateřina | editor1-last = Kedron | editor2-first = Marek | editor2-last = Příhoda | place = Praha, Červený Kostelec | publisher = Pavel Mervart | year = 2013 |series = Russia Altera. Dějiny, kultura, duchovnost | pages = 122 | isbn = 978-80-7465-063-5 | language = pl}}</ref> Vo vvodu pisal: <blockquote style="margin:1em 0; padding:0 32px;">''«Že jesm k tomu upotrěbil poljske haraktery, a ne glagoličske ili kiriličske, isto vsaky mene bude hvaliti. Isto bude čas, že vse slovjanske narody pokydnut te stare haraktery, ktore včlenjenu slovjanskoj kniževnosti v občej masu evropejskoj kniževnosti glavno stojet prěškodoju.»<ref>{{Cite book | title = Pieśni polskie i ruskie ludu galicyjskiego | first = W. | last = Oleska | place = Lwów | year = 1833 | pages = XLIX}}</ref></blockquote> [[Fajl:Josyf_Lozynskyj.jpg | thumb | left | 160px | Josyp Lozynskyj]] Podobne opinije oglasili ukrajinsky naučnik i svečennik iz [[Ljviv|Ljvova]] Josyp Lozynskyj ({{Jezyky|pl|Josyp Łozyński}}, {{Jezyky|uk|Йосип Лозинський}}) i poljsko-ukrajinski romantični poeti kako [[Tomaš Padura]]. V 1834 g. Lozynskyj napisal članok «O vvedenju poljskogo alfabeta v rutensku pisemnost» ({{Jezyky|pl|O wprowadzeniu abecadła polskiego do piśmiennictwa ruskiego}}), a v 1835 g. vvedl svoje prědloženje v praktiku v sborniku zapadnoukrajinskyh svatbenyh pěsnij i obredov, {{-|Ruskoje wesile}}.<ref>{{Cite book | first = J. | last = Łoziński | title = Ruskoje wesile | place = Przemyśl | year = 1835 | language = uk}}</ref> Jegova latinica byla imenovana njim {{-|«abecadło»}}, byla osnovana na poljskom pravopisu (koristajuči napr. digrafy '''{{-|sz}}''', '''{{-|cz}}''' i '''{{-|ch}}''', a takože bukvu '''{{-|w}}''') i bazovala se glavno na fonetičnyh principah, ale takože sodrživala etimologične elementy, napriklad bukvy '''{{-|i}}''', '''{{-|é}}''' i '''{{-|ó}}''', vse izgovorjene kako {{MFA|i}}, ale prva od [[Staroslovjansky jezyk|staroslovjanskogo]] '''{{-|ѣ}}''', vtora od staroslovjanskogo '''{{-|e}}''', tretja od staroslovjanskogo '''{{-|о}}'''. Ačekoli někoji ukrajinski i poljski aktivisti podpirali tu ideju, ona ne dobyla široko priznanje. Medžu inymi protestovali protiv njej prědteče ukrajinskoj kniževnosti kako Markijan Šaškevyč<ref>{{Jezyky|pl|Azbuka i abecadło}}. {{Cite web | first = Маркіян | last = Шашкевич | title = Статті | url = http://izbornyk.org.ua/zahpysm/zah06.htm | website = Ізборник | access-date = 2025-05-10 | language = uk}}</ref>, Josyp Levyckyj<ref>{{Jezyky|pl|Odpowiedź na zadanie o wprowadzeniu abecadła polskiego do piśmiennictwa ruskiego}}</ref> i Denys Zubryckyj.<ref>{{Jezyky|pl|Apologia Cyryliki czyli Azbuki ruskiej}}</ref> Mimohodom, sam Lozynskyj pozdněje napisal na [[Poljsky jezyk|poljskom jezyku]] gramatiku rutenskogo jezyka, v ktoroj uže priměnil kirilicu, da by razrěšil problem, že [[Crkovnoslovjansky jezyk|crkovnoslovjanska]] kirilica ne byla prisposobjena ukrajinskomu jezyku, ktory v 19. stolětju načel razvivati se na osnově jezyka naroda. Ale ačekoli pohvalil ju [[Jernej Kopitar]], ni prva, ni vtora redakcija ne byla napečetana. V slučaju prvogo izdanja pričina bylo to, že Lozynskyj uže zajmal se drugymi raziskyvanjami, v slučaju drugogo rukopis ne prěšel črěz ljvivsku cenzuru. V poslědnjih lětah svojego žitja Lozynskyj prěšel v sovsim drugy («starorussky») směr i načel koristati i propagovati [[jazyčje]].<ref>{{Cite news | url = https://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/anno?aid=klw&datum=18890814&query=%22j%C3%B3zef+%C5%82ozi%C5%84ski%22&ref=anno-search&seite=4 | title = Zmarli | newspaper = Kurier Lwowski | date = 1889-08-14 | pages = 4 | language = pl | access-date = 2025-05-12}}</ref> {| style="border-color:#000000; border-width:1px; border-style:solid; border-collapse:collapse; background-color:#F8F8EF; text-align: center; width: 70%;" |+ '''{{-|«Abecadło»}} Josypa Lozynskogo''' |- align="center" style="height:2.5em;" | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|A}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|B}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|C}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Ć}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Ch}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; 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font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Ть''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''У''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''В''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''И''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''З''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Зь''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Ж''}} |} <div style="font-size:85%;"> '''Primětky:''' # {{Note|1}} Zaměsto '''{{-|і}}''' od staroslovjanskogo '''{{-|e}}''': ''{{-|méd, nés, rék}}''. # {{Note|2}} Zaměsto '''{{-|і}}''' od staroslovjanskogo '''{{-|ѣ}}''': ''lis''. Takože za označenje smekčenja medžu suglaskoju i samoglaskoju: ''{{-|jajcia, Marysia, soncia}}''. # {{Note|3}} Zaměsto '''{{-|і}}''' od staroslovjanskogo '''{{-|о}}''': ''{{-|Bóh, kóń, zlóśť, wón, stół, sposób, póznaty}}''. # {{Note|4}} Poněkogda poslě samoglasok: {{-|''był, łapał, opysał, perekonał''}}. # {{Note|5}} Tradicijny galicijsky izgovor mekkogo '''{{-|р}}''' odličaje go od drugyh palatalizovanyh zvukov (v sučasnoj kirilici koristaje se apostrof za prědavanje tutoj specifiky, napr. {{-|''пор'ядок''}}). Lozynskyj takože koristal apostrof za tutu osoblivost, daže prěd samoglaskami: {{-|''powtar'aje'', ''por'adku''}}. # {{Note|6}} Samo poslě samoglasok: {{-|''swo'''i'''m''}} (izključenje jest početočna bukva '''{{-|ї}}''' korenja prěd prědrastkoju, napr. {{-|''po'''ji'''du''}}). </div> ==== Azbučna vojna: vtora faza ==== [[Fajl:Ueber den Vorschlag, das Ruthenische mit lateinischen Schriftzeichen zu schreiben.png | thumb | «Prědloženje» J. Jirečka (1859), v ktorom prědstavjaje svoj projekt latinice za rutensky (ukrajinsky) jezyk]] V 1859 g. naměstnik Galicije, poljsky aristokrat graf Agenor Romuald Goluchowski, podjel probu vvedenja v ukrajinske školy latiničskogo pravopisa, razrabotanogo češskym slavistom [[Josif Jireček|Josifom Jirečkom]]. Projekt Jirečka, publikovany v tomže godu avstrijskym ministerstvom religije i prosvěty v [[Viena|Vieně]],<ref name="vorschlag">{{Cite book | last = Jireček | first = Josef | title = Über den Vorschlag, das Ruthenische mit lateinischen Schriftzeiсhen zu schreiben | publisher = K.u.K. Ministerium für Cultus und Unterricht | place = Wien | year = 1859}}</ref> bazoval na [[Češsky jezyk|češskom]] pravopisu (bukvy {{-|č}}, {{-|š}}, {{-|ž}}, {{-|dž}}) s někojimi bukvami pozajetymi iz [[Poljsky jezyk|poljskogo]] ({{-|ś}}, {{-|ć}}, {{-|ź}}, {{-|ń}}), razširjenymi na vse ukrajinske palatalizovane suglasky ({{-|ť}}, {{-|ď}}, {{-|ľ}}, {{-|ŕ}}). Jireček mněl, že nestabilny, nekodifikovany jezyk ne može jestvovati kako moderno srědstvo komunikacije i zato trěba go odděliti od arhaičnyh, crkovnoslovjanskyh vlivov: <blockquote style="margin:1em 0; padding:0 32px;">''«Zdravy razvoj rutenskoj literatury najde v koristanju latinskogo pisma najsilnějši podpor. Poka rusini pišut i pečetajut kiriliceju, bude u njih vsegda izjavjati naklonnost k crkovnoslovjanskomu, a posrědnje takože russkomu, i samo jestvovanje rutenskoj literatury prosto bude pytanje.»<ref name="chornovol">{{Cite magazine | first = Ігор | last = Чорновол | url = http://www.ji.lviv.ua/n23texts/chornovol.htm | title = Латинка в українському правописі: ретроспектива і perspektyva] | magazine = Незалежний культурологічний часопис «Ї» | year = 2001 | issue = 23 | language = uk | access-date = 2025-05-12}}</ref></blockquote> Po mněnju Jiračka samo latinica može prěduprěditi taku katastrofu, ibo: <blockquote style="margin:1em 0; padding:0 32px;">''«kiriličsku azbuku prisposobiti k potrěbam živogo rutenskogo jezyka ne jest možno, zatože ona samo podhodi mrtvomu crkovnoslovjanskomu jezyku, to znači prostěje i legše bude prějdti na latinicu, prisposobivši ju specialnym sposobom rutenskomu jezyku.»<ref name="vorschlag" /></blockquote> Tym ne menje ne udalo se Jirečku uběditi značnu čest ukrajinskoj inteligencije k svojej ideji. Sam podpor Goluhovskogo byl dostatočny, da by Ukrajinci viděli v njej slědujuču probu polonizacije ili v najlěpšim slučaju češsku usilje k hegemoniji srěd Slovjanov v avstrijskom cěsarstvu. Protesty byli nadobyčajno silne i nakonec avstrijsko ministerstvo odstupilo o daljšego propagovanja latinice v 1861 g.<ref name="cornovol" /> Ukrajinske knigy dalje byli publikovane kiriliceju, a latinica byla koristana samo v specialnyh izdanjah «za tyh, ktori čitajut samo poljsky» v Halyču, Podlěsju i Helmu. {| style="border-color:#000000; border-width:1px; border-style:solid; border-collapse:collapse; background-color:#F8F8EF; text-align: center; width: 70%;" |+ '''<big>Alfabet Josifa Jiračka</big>''' |- align="center" style="height:2.5em;" | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|A}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|B}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|C}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Ć}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Č}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Ch}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; 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font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Дзь''}} |- align="center" style="height:2.5em;" | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Dž}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|E}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Ě}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|F}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|G}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|H}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|I}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|J}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|K}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|L}} |- align="center" style="height:2.5em;" | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Дж''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Е''}} | style="text-align: center; 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font-family: serif;" | {{-|Ń}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|O}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|P}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|R}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Ŕ}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|S}} |- align="center" style="height:2.5em;" | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Л(Ь)''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Л''}} {{Ref|5|2}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''М''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Н''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''НЬ''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''О''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''П''}} | style="text-align: center; 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font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''СЬ''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Ш''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Щ''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Т''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''ТЬ''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''У''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''і''}} {{Ref|6|3}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''В''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''В''}} {{Ref|7|4}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Кс''}} {{Ref|7|4}} |- align="center" style="height:2.5em;" | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Y}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Z}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Ź}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Ž}} |- align="center" style="height:2.5em;" | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''И''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''З''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''ЗЬ''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Ж''}} |} <div style="font-size:85%;"> '''Primětky:''' # {{Note|4}} Za označenje {{-|'''є'''}} zaměsto {{-|'''я'''}} v zapadnoukrajinskyh narěčjah ({{-|''ім'я&nbsp;— імє''}}). Pravilo: koristaje se jedino tamo, kde staroslovjansky imaje {{-|'''ѧ'''}} ili poljsky imaje {{-|'''ę'''}}: {{-|''сягнути&nbsp;&rarr; сєгнути&nbsp;&rarr; sěhnuty, дякувати&nbsp;&rarr; дєковати&nbsp;&rarr; děkovaty, щастя&nbsp;&rarr; щєстє&nbsp;&rarr; ščěstje, дев'ять&nbsp;&rarr; девєт&nbsp;&rarr; devěť, в'язати&nbsp;&rarr; вєзати&nbsp;&rarr; vězaty, м'ясо&nbsp;&rarr; мєсо&nbsp;&rarr; měso, святий&nbsp;&rarr; швєтий&nbsp;&rarr; švětyj, ряд&nbsp;&rarr; рєд&nbsp;&rarr; rěd, ім'я&nbsp;&rarr; імє&nbsp;&rarr; imě, гуся&nbsp;&rarr; гусє&nbsp;&rarr; husě, ся&nbsp;&rarr; сє&nbsp;&rarr; sě''. Jednakože pravilo jest nedoslědno, napr. {{-|''п'яний&nbsp;&rarr; pjenyj''}} і ''{{-|pjanyj}}''. # {{Note|5}} Za označenje {{-|'''л'''}} v praslovjanskoj kombinaciji {{-|'''ъl'''}} prěd suglaskoju ({{-|''vołk}}), ili na koncu sloga ({{-|''oreł, düł, vüł, dołhyj, tołstyj, był, plił''}}), ili prěd suglaskoju, ktora zaključaje slog ({{-|''tołk, dołh''}}), osoblivo v slučaju mužskyh imennikov s konečnym {{-|''л''}} i mužskyh form prošlogo časa ({{-|''pochodył''}}). # {{Note|6}} Za označenje {{-|'''і'''}} od staroslovjanskogo {{-|'''о'''}} (Jireček različal medžu {{-|'''і'''}} od {{-|'''о'''}}, {{-|'''е'''}} i {{-|'''ѣ'''}}. Tutoj zvuk izgovarjaje se kako zaokrugljen {{-|'''і'''}} ({{-|''кість&nbsp;&rarr; küsť, гвіздь&nbsp;&rarr; hvüźď''}}). # {{Note|7}} Samo v čudžih slovah. </div> ==== Vně Galicije ==== [[Fajl:Molitvennik_dlyá_gyitej_(1904).jpg | thumb | Molitovnik za děti {{-|«Ánhel Hoszpodeny»}} (Užhorod, 1904), napisany [[Madjarsky jezyk|madjarskym]] pravopisom]] [[Fajl:У_полі,_гей,_у_полі!_(рукопис_Федьковича).jpg | thumb | Poema {{-|''Hej u poly, u poly!''}} Fedkovyča]] Daže v rosijskoj česti Ukrajiny byl podpor za latinizaciju ukrajinskogo jezyka kako srědstvo umenšenja russkyh vlivov. Napriklad 1844 g. byla izdana rukopisnu versija «Kobzara» [[Taras Ševčenko|Tarasa Ševčenka]] v poljskoj transkripciji, s pravkami samogo avtora.<ref>{{Cite web | url = http://kobzar.ua/item/show/4814 | title = Портал Шевченка | website = kobzar.ua | language = en | access-date = 2025-05-12}}</ref> V srědině stolětja poet Tomaš (Tymko) Padura, prědstavitelj ukrajinskoj školy poljskogo Romantizma, takože pisal svoje ukrajinskojezyčne tvory na osnově poljskogo alfabeta. A v 1859 g. izvěstny hirurg Mykola Pyrohov napisal projekt ukrajinskogo učebnika napisanogo poljskoju latiniceju, ktory jednakože byl odkydnuty vladoju.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://www.istpravda.com.ua/articles/2021/04/7/159284/ | title = Українська латинка в царській Росії? | publisher = Історична правда | date = 2021-04-07 | first = Ярослав | last = Сумишин | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20220627051828/https://www.istpravda.com.ua/articles/2021/04/7/159284/ | archive-date = 2022-06-27 | access-date = 2025-05-12}}</ref> Nakonec v 1882 g. [[Myhajlo Drahomanov]] izdal versiju «Marije» [[Taras Ševčenko|Tarasa Ševčenka]] na latinici.<ref>{{Cite web | url = http://diasporiana.org.ua/wp-content/uploads/books/18454/file.pdf | title = Marija, maty Isusowa. Wirszy Tarasa Szewczenka z uwahamy M. Drahomanowa | place = Ženeva | year = 1882 | archive-date = 2019-07-31 | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20190731220111/http://diasporiana.org.ua/wp-content/uploads/books/18454/file.pdf}}</ref> Jegov vlastny projekt za reformu kirilice (tako nazyvajema ''drahomanivka'') umožnjaje prěhod iz jednoj sistemy v drugu posrědstvom prostoj zaměny znakov. Latinica takože byla koristana v ukrajinskyh publikacijah v [[Rumunija|rumunskyh]] regionah Besarabija, Bukovina i Dobrudža, a takože na Zakarpatju, ktoro onogda naležala [[Vugrija|Vugriji]]. Ukrajinsky poet Osyp-Jurij Fedkovyč iz Bukoviny, pisal ukrajinskoju latiniceju po prikladu hrvatskoj gajice, napr. v poemě {{-|''Hej u poly, u poly!''}}.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://uk.wikisource.org/wiki/Hej_u_poly,_u_poly! | title = Hej u poly, u poly! | first = Осип-Юрій | last = Федькович | website = Vikiizvornik | access-date = 2025-05-12 | language = uk}}</ref> === V Sovětskom Sojuzu === V 1920-yh i 1930-yh lětah v [[Sovětsky Sojuz|Sovětskom Sojuzu]] byla vedena kampanija za latinizaciju, vslěd ktoroj ok. 70 jezykov prěključilo se na pravopis osnovany na latinskom alfabetu (najčestěje menše jezyky Rosije, ktore raněje byli pisane arabskym pismom ili ne iměli silnu kniževnu tradiciju). Ačekoli ukrajinsky jezyk (zajedno s russkym i bělorusskym) byl izključeny iz kampanije, odbyvali se diskusije o prědmetu. V 1923 g. pisatelj Serhij Pylypenko napisal {{-|«Odvertyj lyst do vsix, xto cikavyt's sja cijeju spravoju», v ktorom propagoval prěhod ukrajinskogo na latinicu.}}<ref>{{Cite magazine | title = Odvertyj lyst do vsix, xto cikavyt's sja cijeju spravoju | magazine = Червоний шлях | issue = № 6—7, Х, 1923 | pages = 267—268 | url = https://zbruc.eu/node/76798 | language = uk}}</ref> Podčas Vseukrajinskoj pravopisnoj konferencije v [[Harkiv|Harkovu]] v 1927 g. jezykoznavci Majk Johansen, Borys Tkačenko i Mykola Nakonečnyj oficialno prědložili aktivno koristanje latinskogo alfabeta kako čest pravopisa. Poslě dvudnevnoj diskusije bylo glasovanje, s rezultatom: 20 glasov za, a 25 protiv. Pozdněje vsi zapadli žrtvami stalinskogo terora: Pylypenko (1934), Johansen i Tkačenko (1937) byli razstrěljeni, a Tkačenko osudženy na pet lět izgnanja. V tomže samom periodu latinica poněkogda byla koristana v ukrajinskojezyčnyh publikacijah v [[Poljska|Poljskě]], [[Čehoslovakija|Čehoslovakiji]] i [[Rumunija|Rumuniji]]. === Sučasnost === Dnešnjego dnja za pisanje ukrajinskogo jezyka oficialno koristaje se samo kiriličsko pismo. Jestvujut oficialne standardy [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka|latinizacije]], ktore sut prěznačene za ljudi, ktori ne čitajut kirilicu, i služet za prědavanje ukrajinskyh vlastnyh imen i nazv na medžunarodnyh dokumentah. Pod koncem 20. stolětja obnovili se diskusije o potrěbě polnocěnnoj ukrajinskoj latinice. Glavne pytanja v njih tyčut se formy i obsega takogo alfabeta. Sut napriklad myslji o vvedenju latinice kako drugogo alfabeta. Taka situacija jestvuje v [[Srbija|Srbiji]], kde paralelno funkcionovanje dvoh alfabetov ne dovedlo ni k upadku jezyka i kultury, ni k izčezanju kirilice, ale ulegšaje Srbam kontakty s Zapadom. Sut takože ti, ktori nadyhajut se uspěšnym prěhodom v latinicu v [[Azerbajdžan]]u, [[Uzbekistan]]u i [[Moldavija|Moldaviji]]. Protivniki, iz drugoj strany, argumentujut o «tysečlětnom kulturnom naslědstvu» i izražajut strah, že tako razběženje ukrajinskogo i rosijskogo pravopisov može dovesti k poražkě pri vvodženju ukrajinskogo jezyka v rusifikovanyh čestah kraja – ačekoli privrženci ideji uvažajut, že efekt byl by obratny. V periodu poslě 1991 g. stvorjenyh bylo několiko novyh variantov ukrajinskoj latinice, ktore nemnožko poširili se v internetu i kulturologičnyh časopisah, a sut rědko upotrěbjane. V 2000 Ivan Lučuk publikoval {{-|«Ukrajinska latynka. Korotkyj pravopys»}}.<ref>{{Cite book | url = https://shron1.chtyvo.org.ua/Luchuk_Ivan/Ukrajinka_latynka_Korotkyj_pravopys.pdf | first = Ivan | last = Lučuk | title = Ukrajinska latynka. Korotkyj pravopys | year = 2000 | publisher = Класика | language = uk}}</ref> Tutoj (neoficialny) pravopis, nazyvajemy ''lučukivkoju'', jest shodny na Jiračkov projekt: osnova jest češsky pravopis, s koristanjem několikyh slovačskyh ({{-|ľ, ŕ}}) i poljskyh ({{-|ć, ń, ś, ź}}) bukv, a takože s zaměnoju {{-|ch}} v {{-|x}}. On regularno koristaje s v časopisu {{-|«Ї»}}. Jaroslav Myhajlyšyn opisyvaje drugy, uproščeny variant latinice, osnovany na hrvatskoj ''gajevici'': koristaje samo tri nestandardne bukvy ({{-|č, š}} i {{-|ž}}, a smekčenje označaje bukvoju '''{{-|j}}'''; kiriličsku '''{{-|х}}''' zaměnjaje na latinsku '''{{-|x}}'''.<ref>{{Cite magazine | url = https://www.ji-magazine.lviv.ua/luch/myxajlyshyn.htm | first = Ярослав | last = Михайлишин | title = Транслітерація чи латинська абетка для української мови | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20120716183627/http://www.ji-magazine.lviv.ua/luch/myxajlyshyn.htm | archive-date = 2012-07-16 | language = uk | magazine = «Ї»}}</ref> Tutoj pravopis koristaje se na vebsajtu ''{{-|Nova Latynka}}''.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://nova-latynka.livejournal.com/775.html | title = Nova Latynka | access-date = 2025-05-12}}</ref> == Priklady == Prvy kuplet [[Himn Ukrajiny|himna Ukrajiny]] glavnymi versijami ukrajinskoj latinice: {| class="wikitable" border="1" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" align="center" |+ |- ! style="background:#CFCFCF;" | ''Kirilica'' ! style="background:#CFCFCF;" | ''Projekt Lozynskogo'' ! style="background:#CFCFCF;" | ''Projekt Jirečka'' ! style="background:#CFCFCF;" | ''Projekt na osnově gajevice'' ! style="background:#CFCFCF;" | ''Oficialna narodna transliteracija'' |- | {{-|Ще не вмерла України ні слава, ні воля. <br/> Ще нам, браття молодії, усміхнеться доля. <br/> Згинуть наші воріженьки, як роса на сонці,<br/> Запануєм і ми, браття, у своїй сторонці.<br/><br/> Душу й тіло ми положим за нашу свободу<br/>І покажем, що ми, браття, козацького роду!}} | {{-|Szcze ne wmerła Ukrainy ni sława, ni wola.<br/> Szcze nam, brattia molodii, usmichneťsia dola.<br/> Zhynuť naszi woriżeńky, jak rosa na sonci,<br/> Zapanujem i my, brattia, u swoij storonci.<br/><br/> Duszu j tiło my położym za naszu swobodu,<br/> I pokażem, szczo my, brattia, kozaćkoho rodu.}} | {{-|Šče ne vmerla Ukrajiny ni slava, ni voľa.<br/> Šče nam, bratťa molodiji, usmichnet sě doľa.<br/> Zhynut naši vorüžeńky, jak rosa na sonci,<br/> Zapanujem i my, bratťa, u svojij storonci.<br/><br/> Dušu j tilo my položym za našu svobodu,<br/> I pokažem, ščo my, bratťa, kozaćkoho rodu.}} | {{-|Šče ne vmerla Ukrajiny ni slava, ni volja.<br/> Šče nam, brattja molodiji, usmixnetjsja dolja.<br/> Zhynutj naši voriženjky, jak rosa na sonci,<br/> Zapanujem i my, brattja, u svojij storonci.<br/><br/> Dušu j tilo my položym za našu svobodu,<br/> I pokažem, ščo my, brattja, kozacjkoho rodu.}} | {{-|Shche ne vmerla Ukrainy ni slava, ni volia.<br/> Shche nam, brattia molodii, usmikhnetsia dolia.<br/> Zghynut nashi vorizhenky, yak rosa na sontsi,<br/> Zapanuiem i my, brattia, u svoii storontsi.<br/><br/> Dushu y tilo my polozhym za nashu svobodu<br/>I pokazhem, shcho my, brattia, kozatskoho rodu.}} |- |} == Iztočniky == {{Iztočniky}} == Literatura == * {{Cite book | last = Лесюк | first = М.П. | chapter = Азбучні дискусії в 30—40-х роках XIX ст. | title = Становлення і розвиток української літературної мови в Галичині | place = Івано-Франківськ | publisher = Місто НВ | year = 2014 | pages = 418 | isbn = 978-966-428-342-4 | language = uk}} * {{Cite journal | last = Чорновол | first = Ігор | title = Латинка в українському правописі: ретроспектива і perspektyva | journal = Незалежний культурологічний часопис «Ї» | year = 2001 | volume = 23 | url = http://www.ji.lviv.ua/n23texts/chornovol.htm | language = uk}} * {{Cite book | last = Dwornik | first = Kamil | chapter = Słoweńska "abecedna vojna" i pierwsza ukraińska «азбучна війна» w Galicji – próba porównania | url = http://www.academia.edu/5365156/Słoweńska_abecedna_vojna_i_pierwsza_ukraińska_азбучна_війна_w_Galicji_próba_porównania | title = Slovanský svět: Známý či neznámý |editor1-first = Kateřina | editor1-last = Kedron | editor2-first = Marek | editor2-last = Příhoda | place = Praha, Červený Kostelec | publisher = Pavel Mervart | year = 2013 |series = Russia Altera. Dějiny, kultura, duchovnost | pages = 119–126 | isbn = 978-80-7465-063-5 | language = pl}} * {{Cite web | url = http://starzaki.eu.org/~lukasz/suputnyk/_doc/Alfabet_ukrainski.pdf | first = Łukasz | last = Starzak | title = Alfabet ukraiński | language = pl}} == Vněšnje linky == * {{Cite web | url = http://www.latynka.org/ | title = Ukrajinśka Latynka}} * {{Cite web | url = http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?AddButton=pages\O\R\Orthography.htm | title = Orthography | website = Internet Encyclopedia of Ukraine}} * {{Cite web | url = http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?AddButton=pages\A\L\Alphabetwar.htm | title = Alphabet War | website = Internet Encyclopedia of Ukraine}} * {{Cite web | url = http://resource.history.org.ua/cgi-bin/eiu/history.exe?&I21DBN=EIU&P21DBN=EIU&S21STN=1&S21REF=10&S21FMT=eiu_all&C21COM=S&S21CNR=20&S21P01=0&S21P02=0&S21P03=TRN=&S21COLORTERMS=0&S21STR=Azbuchna_vijna | title = Азбучна війна | website = Енциклопедія історії України}} * {{Cite web | url = https://zbruc.eu/node/38124 | title = Україна-Ukraine-Ukrajina etc | website = Zbruč}} * {{Cite web | url = http://baltoslav.eu/lat/index.php?mova=pl&j=uk | title = Latynizator}} * {{Cite web | url = http://tran.comze.com/ukrainian_latin.html | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20170415103645/http://tran.comze.com/ukrainian_latin.html | archive-date = 2017-04-15 | title = Konverter ukrajinśkoji latynky (proekt Serhija Meĺnyka)}} * {{Cite web | url = http://steen.free.fr/rtc/ruthenian.html | title = Latynka transliterator}} * {{Cite web | url = https://paiv.github.io/latynka/ | title = {{-|Ukraïnśka Latynka}}: razširjenje za prědgledača] (avtomatična transliteracija vebsajtov)}} * {{Cite web | url = http://latynka.tak.today/ | title = Ukrajinśka Latynka | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20181228000120/http://latynka.tak.today/ | archive-date = 2018-12-28 | language = uk}} <!--- https://web.archive.org/web/20221001211220/https://latynka.tak.today/ ---> {{Članok s zvězdoju}} [[Kategorija:Ukrajinsky jezyk]] [[Kategorija:Latinica]] {{INTERWIKI|Q2322215}} bcwm3w8h9c85u1p08wixo2i83legt0w 28490 28489 2026-07-10T13:18:11Z Minorax 40 28490 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Ruśkyj Kalendar dla tych, szczo ne znajut' ruśkoho pyśma (1910).jpg|thumb|250px|Kalendar {{-|''Rusałka''}} (1910): «za tyh, ktori ne znajut rutensko pismo»]] '''Ukrajinska latinica''' ({{Jezyky|uk|українська латинка, українська латиниця}}) jest variant [[Latinica|latinskogo alfabeta]], prisposobjeny za pisanje [[Ukrajinsky jezyk|ukrajinskogo jezyka]]. Osoblivo v [[Galicija|Galiciji]] v 19. stolětju byli podimane proby za prěobračenje ukrajinskogo pravopisa v latinicu, medžu drugymi ukrajinskym naučnikom i svečennikom Josypom Lozynskym i češskym slavistom Josifom Jiračkom, ktore pričinili zavzete debaty i dvě tako nazyvajeme «Azbučne vojny». Podčas prvyh dvoh desetilětij [[Sovětsky Sojuz|Sovětskogo Sojuza]], v ktoryh vedena byla velika latinizacijna kampanija srěd menših jezykov Rosije, takože odbyvali se razgovory o vvedenju latinskogo pravopisa za ukrajinsky jezyk. V digitalnoj době pojavili se nove – seriozne i menje seriozne – prědloženja. Različaje se medžu ukrajinskoju latiniceju, prěznačenoju za samyh Ukrajincev, i [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka|latinizacijeju ukrajinskogo jezyka]], prěznačenoju za medžunarodnu upotrěbu ljudami, ktori ne znajut kirilicu. == Historija == [[Fajl:Ruskoje wesile Lozińskoho (1835).jpg|thumb|{{-|Ruskoje wesile}} J. Lozynskogo (1835)]] Teksty v [[Rutensky jezyk|rutenskom jezyku]] pojavili se uže v prvoj polovině 16. stolětja.<ref>{{Cite book | last = Ісаєвич | first = Ярослав | title = Українське книговидання: витоки, розвиток, проблеми | url = http://litopys.org.ua/isaevych/is.htm | place = Львів | year = 2002 | chapter = Польськомовне і латинське друкарство | chapter-url = http://litopys.org.ua/isaevych/is19.htm | language = uk}}</ref>. Obseg upotrěby latinice v 17. i 18. stolětjah byl široky na [[Pravobrěžna Ukrajina|Pravobrěžnoj Ukrajině]], a teksty pečetane latinskym alfabetom daže byli až v [[Harkiv|Harkovu]].<ref name="cornovol">{{Cite journal | last = Чорновол | first = Ігор |title = Латинка в українському правописі: ретроспектива і perspektyva | journal = Незалежний культурологічний часопис «Ї» | year = 2001 | volume = 23 | url = http://www.ji.lviv.ua/n23texts/chornovol.htm | language = uk}}</ref>. Jednakože velika čest Rutenov, osoblivo ti povezani s [[Pravoslavje|pravoslavnymi]] kulturnymi obsrědinami, mněla, že nerazlučno svezana s rutenskym jezykom i kulturoju imaje byti [[kirilica]]. === Prědloženja i koristanje v 19. stolětju === [[Fajl:Азбука і Abecadlo полемічний твір М Шашкевича проти латинки виданий у Перемишлі в 1836 році.jpg | thumb | Odgovor Marijana Šaškevyča]] V 19. stolětju razne osoby v Galiciji, ktora onogda byla čest [[Avstrija|kraljevstva Avstrije]], silili se za vvedenje latinskogo alfabeta za pisanje ukrajinskogo jezyka. Na početku stolětja byli srěd njih Avgust Ljudvig Šlecer ({{Jezyky|de|August Ludwig von Schlözer}}) i Josip Voltić, a něčto pozdněje i [[Jernej Kopitar]] i A. Pahmajer. V tečenju stolětja pytanje ukrajinskogo pravopisanja stalo vse bolje točkoju sporu, ne samo medžu Ukrajincami i Poljakami, ale takože vnutri ukrajinskyh obsrědin. V 1830-yh lětah napruženje dovedlo k gorkoj publičnoj debatě, znajemoj pod nazvoju «azbučna vojna» ({{Jezyky|uk|азбучна війна}}). ==== Azbučna vojna: prva faza ==== V 1833 g. Vaclav Zaleskyj publikoval sbornik poljskyh i ukrajinskyh narodnyh pěsnij, napečetany poljskymi bukvami. Po jegovomu mněnju kirilica byla kulturna oznaka, ktora odličala evropejsku civilizaciju od neevropejskoj.<ref>{{Cite book | last = Dwornik | first = Kamil | chapter = Słoweńska "abecedna vojna" i pierwsza ukraińska «азбучна війна» w Galicji – próba porównania | url = http://www.academia.edu/5365156/Słoweńska_abecedna_vojna_i_pierwsza_ukraińska_азбучна_війна_w_Galicji_próba_porównania | title = Slovanský svět: Známý či neznámý |editor1-first = Kateřina | editor1-last = Kedron | editor2-first = Marek | editor2-last = Příhoda | place = Praha, Červený Kostelec | publisher = Pavel Mervart | year = 2013 |series = Russia Altera. Dějiny, kultura, duchovnost | pages = 122 | isbn = 978-80-7465-063-5 | language = pl}}</ref> Vo vvodu pisal: <blockquote style="margin:1em 0; padding:0 32px;">''«Že jesm k tomu upotrěbil poljske haraktery, a ne glagoličske ili kiriličske, isto vsaky mene bude hvaliti. Isto bude čas, že vse slovjanske narody pokydnut te stare haraktery, ktore včlenjenu slovjanskoj kniževnosti v občej masu evropejskoj kniževnosti glavno stojet prěškodoju.»<ref>{{Cite book | title = Pieśni polskie i ruskie ludu galicyjskiego | first = W. | last = Oleska | place = Lwów | year = 1833 | pages = XLIX}}</ref></blockquote> [[Fajl:Josyf_Lozynskyj.jpg | thumb | left | 160px | Josyp Lozynskyj]] Podobne opinije oglasili ukrajinsky naučnik i svečennik iz [[Ljviv|Ljvova]] Josyp Lozynskyj ({{Jezyky|pl|Josyp Łozyński}}, {{Jezyky|uk|Йосип Лозинський}}) i poljsko-ukrajinski romantični poeti kako [[Tomaš Padura]]. V 1834 g. Lozynskyj napisal članok «O vvedenju poljskogo alfabeta v rutensku pisemnost» ({{Jezyky|pl|O wprowadzeniu abecadła polskiego do piśmiennictwa ruskiego}}), a v 1835 g. vvedl svoje prědloženje v praktiku v sborniku zapadnoukrajinskyh svatbenyh pěsnij i obredov, {{-|Ruskoje wesile}}.<ref>{{Cite book | first = J. | last = Łoziński | title = Ruskoje wesile | place = Przemyśl | year = 1835 | language = uk}}</ref> Jegova latinica byla imenovana njim {{-|«abecadło»}}, byla osnovana na poljskom pravopisu (koristajuči napr. digrafy '''{{-|sz}}''', '''{{-|cz}}''' i '''{{-|ch}}''', a takože bukvu '''{{-|w}}''') i bazovala se glavno na fonetičnyh principah, ale takože sodrživala etimologične elementy, napriklad bukvy '''{{-|i}}''', '''{{-|é}}''' i '''{{-|ó}}''', vse izgovorjene kako {{MFA|i}}, ale prva od [[Staroslovjansky jezyk|staroslovjanskogo]] '''{{-|ѣ}}''', vtora od staroslovjanskogo '''{{-|e}}''', tretja od staroslovjanskogo '''{{-|о}}'''. Ačekoli někoji ukrajinski i poljski aktivisti podpirali tu ideju, ona ne dobyla široko priznanje. Medžu inymi protestovali protiv njej prědteče ukrajinskoj kniževnosti kako Markijan Šaškevyč<ref>{{Jezyky|pl|Azbuka i abecadło}}. {{Cite web | first = Маркіян | last = Шашкевич | title = Статті | url = http://izbornyk.org.ua/zahpysm/zah06.htm | website = Ізборник | access-date = 2025-05-10 | language = uk}}</ref>, Josyp Levyckyj<ref>{{Jezyky|pl|Odpowiedź na zadanie o wprowadzeniu abecadła polskiego do piśmiennictwa ruskiego}}</ref> i Denys Zubryckyj.<ref>{{Jezyky|pl|Apologia Cyryliki czyli Azbuki ruskiej}}</ref> Mimohodom, sam Lozynskyj pozdněje napisal na [[Poljsky jezyk|poljskom jezyku]] gramatiku rutenskogo jezyka, v ktoroj uže priměnil kirilicu, da by razrěšil problem, že [[Crkovnoslovjansky jezyk|crkovnoslovjanska]] kirilica ne byla prisposobjena ukrajinskomu jezyku, ktory v 19. stolětju načel razvivati se na osnově jezyka naroda. Ale ačekoli pohvalil ju [[Jernej Kopitar]], ni prva, ni vtora redakcija ne byla napečetana. V slučaju prvogo izdanja pričina bylo to, že Lozynskyj uže zajmal se drugymi raziskyvanjami, v slučaju drugogo rukopis ne prěšel črěz ljvivsku cenzuru. V poslědnjih lětah svojego žitja Lozynskyj prěšel v sovsim drugy («starorussky») směr i načel koristati i propagovati [[jazyčje]].<ref>{{Cite news | url = https://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/anno?aid=klw&datum=18890814&query=%22j%C3%B3zef+%C5%82ozi%C5%84ski%22&ref=anno-search&seite=4 | title = Zmarli | newspaper = Kurier Lwowski | date = 1889-08-14 | pages = 4 | language = pl | access-date = 2025-05-12}}</ref> {| style="border-color:#000000; border-width:1px; border-style:solid; border-collapse:collapse; background-color:#F8F8EF; text-align: center; width: 70%;" |+ '''{{-|«Abecadło»}} Josypa Lozynskogo''' |- align="center" style="height:2.5em;" | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|A}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|B}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|C}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Ć}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Ch}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Cz}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|D}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Ď}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|E}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|É}} |- align="center" style="height:2.5em;" | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''А''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Б''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Ц''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Ць''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Х''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Ч''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Д''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Дь''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Е''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''І''}} {{Ref|1|1}} |- align="center" style="height:2.5em;" | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|F}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|G}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|H}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|I}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|J}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|K}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|L}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Ł}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|M}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|N}} |- align="center" style="height:2.5em;" | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Ф''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Ґ''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Г''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''І''}} {{Ref|2|2}}, {{-|''Ї''}} {{Ref|6|6}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Й''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''К''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Ль''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Л, Ў''}} {{Ref|4|4}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''М''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Н''}} |- align="center" style="height:2.5em;" | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Ń}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|O}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Ó}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|P}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|R}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|R’}} {{Ref|5|5}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|S}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Ś}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Sz}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Szcz}} |- align="center" style="height:2.5em;" | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Нь''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''О''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''І''}} {{Ref|3|3}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''П''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Р''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Рь''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''С''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Сь''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Ш''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Щ''}} |- align="center" style="height:2.5em;" | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|T}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Ť}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|U}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|W}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Y}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Z}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Ź}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Ż}} |- align="center" style="height:2.5em;" | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Т''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Ть''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''У''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''В''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''И''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''З''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Зь''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Ж''}} |} <div style="font-size:85%;"> '''Primětky:''' # {{Note|1}} Zaměsto '''{{-|і}}''' od staroslovjanskogo '''{{-|e}}''': ''{{-|méd, nés, rék}}''. # {{Note|2}} Zaměsto '''{{-|і}}''' od staroslovjanskogo '''{{-|ѣ}}''': ''lis''. Takože za označenje smekčenja medžu suglaskoju i samoglaskoju: ''{{-|jajcia, Marysia, soncia}}''. # {{Note|3}} Zaměsto '''{{-|і}}''' od staroslovjanskogo '''{{-|о}}''': ''{{-|Bóh, kóń, zlóśť, wón, stół, sposób, póznaty}}''. # {{Note|4}} Poněkogda poslě samoglasok: {{-|''był, łapał, opysał, perekonał''}}. # {{Note|5}} Tradicijny galicijsky izgovor mekkogo '''{{-|р}}''' odličaje go od drugyh palatalizovanyh zvukov (v sučasnoj kirilici koristaje se apostrof za prědavanje tutoj specifiky, napr. {{-|''пор'ядок''}}). Lozynskyj takože koristal apostrof za tutu osoblivost, daže prěd samoglaskami: {{-|''powtar'aje'', ''por'adku''}}. # {{Note|6}} Samo poslě samoglasok: {{-|''swo'''i'''m''}} (izključenje jest početočna bukva '''{{-|ї}}''' korenja prěd prědrastkoju, napr. {{-|''po'''ji'''du''}}). </div> ==== Azbučna vojna: vtora faza ==== [[Fajl:Ueber den Vorschlag, das Ruthenische mit lateinischen Schriftzeichen zu schreiben.png | thumb | «Prědloženje» J. Jirečka (1859), v ktorom prědstavjaje svoj projekt latinice za rutensky (ukrajinsky) jezyk]] V 1859 g. naměstnik Galicije, poljsky aristokrat graf Agenor Romuald Goluchowski, podjel probu vvedenja v ukrajinske školy latiničskogo pravopisa, razrabotanogo češskym slavistom [[Josif Jireček|Josifom Jirečkom]]. Projekt Jirečka, publikovany v tomže godu avstrijskym ministerstvom religije i prosvěty v [[Viena|Vieně]],<ref name="vorschlag">{{Cite book | last = Jireček | first = Josef | title = Über den Vorschlag, das Ruthenische mit lateinischen Schriftzeiсhen zu schreiben | publisher = K.u.K. Ministerium für Cultus und Unterricht | place = Wien | year = 1859}}</ref> bazoval na [[Češsky jezyk|češskom]] pravopisu (bukvy {{-|č}}, {{-|š}}, {{-|ž}}, {{-|dž}}) s někojimi bukvami pozajetymi iz [[Poljsky jezyk|poljskogo]] ({{-|ś}}, {{-|ć}}, {{-|ź}}, {{-|ń}}), razširjenymi na vse ukrajinske palatalizovane suglasky ({{-|ť}}, {{-|ď}}, {{-|ľ}}, {{-|ŕ}}). Jireček mněl, že nestabilny, nekodifikovany jezyk ne može jestvovati kako moderno srědstvo komunikacije i zato trěba go odděliti od arhaičnyh, crkovnoslovjanskyh vlivov: <blockquote style="margin:1em 0; padding:0 32px;">''«Zdravy razvoj rutenskoj literatury najde v koristanju latinskogo pisma najsilnějši podpor. Poka rusini pišut i pečetajut kiriliceju, bude u njih vsegda izjavjati naklonnost k crkovnoslovjanskomu, a posrědnje takože russkomu, i samo jestvovanje rutenskoj literatury prosto bude pytanje.»<ref name="chornovol">{{Cite magazine | first = Ігор | last = Чорновол | url = http://www.ji.lviv.ua/n23texts/chornovol.htm | title = Латинка в українському правописі: ретроспектива і perspektyva] | magazine = Незалежний культурологічний часопис «Ї» | year = 2001 | issue = 23 | language = uk | access-date = 2025-05-12}}</ref></blockquote> Po mněnju Jiračka samo latinica može prěduprěditi taku katastrofu, ibo: <blockquote style="margin:1em 0; padding:0 32px;">''«kiriličsku azbuku prisposobiti k potrěbam živogo rutenskogo jezyka ne jest možno, zatože ona samo podhodi mrtvomu crkovnoslovjanskomu jezyku, to znači prostěje i legše bude prějdti na latinicu, prisposobivši ju specialnym sposobom rutenskomu jezyku.»<ref name="vorschlag" /></blockquote> Tym ne menje ne udalo se Jirečku uběditi značnu čest ukrajinskoj inteligencije k svojej ideji. Sam podpor Goluhovskogo byl dostatočny, da by Ukrajinci viděli v njej slědujuču probu polonizacije ili v najlěpšim slučaju češsku usilje k hegemoniji srěd Slovjanov v avstrijskom cěsarstvu. Protesty byli nadobyčajno silne i nakonec avstrijsko ministerstvo odstupilo o daljšego propagovanja latinice v 1861 g.<ref name="cornovol" /> Ukrajinske knigy dalje byli publikovane kiriliceju, a latinica byla koristana samo v specialnyh izdanjah «za tyh, ktori čitajut samo poljsky» v Halyču, Podlěsju i Helmu. {| style="border-color:#000000; border-width:1px; border-style:solid; border-collapse:collapse; background-color:#F8F8EF; text-align: center; width: 70%;" |+ '''<big>Alfabet Josifa Jiračka</big>''' |- align="center" style="height:2.5em;" | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|A}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|B}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|C}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Ć}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Č}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Ch}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|D}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Ď}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Dz}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Dź}} |- align="center" style="height:2.5em;" | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''А''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Б''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Ц''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''ЦЬ''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Ч''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Х''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Д''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''ДЬ''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Дз''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Дзь''}} |- align="center" style="height:2.5em;" | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Dž}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|E}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Ě}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|F}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|G}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|H}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|I}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|J}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|K}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|L}} |- align="center" style="height:2.5em;" | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Дж''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Е''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Є''}} {{Ref|4|1}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Ф''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Ґ''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Г''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''І''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''(Й)''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''К''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Л''}} |- align="center" style="height:2.5em;" | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Ľ}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Ł}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|M}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|N}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Ń}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|O}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|P}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|R}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Ŕ}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|S}} |- align="center" style="height:2.5em;" | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Л(Ь)''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Л''}} {{Ref|5|2}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''М''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Н''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''НЬ''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''О''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''П''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Р''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''РЬ''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''С''}} |- align="center" style="height:2.5em;" | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Ś}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Š}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Šč}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|T}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Ť}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|U}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Ü}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|V}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|W}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|X}} |- align="center" style="height:2.5em;" | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''СЬ''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Ш''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Щ''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Т''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''ТЬ''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''У''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''і''}} {{Ref|6|3}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''В''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''В''}} {{Ref|7|4}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Кс''}} {{Ref|7|4}} |- align="center" style="height:2.5em;" | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Y}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Z}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Ź}} | style="font-size: 1.4em; width: 10%; font-family: serif;" | {{-|Ž}} |- align="center" style="height:2.5em;" | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''И''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''З''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''ЗЬ''}} | style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: serif;" | {{-|''Ж''}} |} <div style="font-size:85%;"> '''Primětky:''' # {{Note|4}} Za označenje {{-|'''є'''}} zaměsto {{-|'''я'''}} v zapadnoukrajinskyh narěčjah ({{-|''ім'я&nbsp;— імє''}}). Pravilo: koristaje se jedino tamo, kde staroslovjansky imaje {{-|'''ѧ'''}} ili poljsky imaje {{-|'''ę'''}}: {{-|''сягнути&nbsp;&rarr; сєгнути&nbsp;&rarr; sěhnuty, дякувати&nbsp;&rarr; дєковати&nbsp;&rarr; děkovaty, щастя&nbsp;&rarr; щєстє&nbsp;&rarr; ščěstje, дев'ять&nbsp;&rarr; девєт&nbsp;&rarr; devěť, в'язати&nbsp;&rarr; вєзати&nbsp;&rarr; vězaty, м'ясо&nbsp;&rarr; мєсо&nbsp;&rarr; měso, святий&nbsp;&rarr; швєтий&nbsp;&rarr; švětyj, ряд&nbsp;&rarr; рєд&nbsp;&rarr; rěd, ім'я&nbsp;&rarr; імє&nbsp;&rarr; imě, гуся&nbsp;&rarr; гусє&nbsp;&rarr; husě, ся&nbsp;&rarr; сє&nbsp;&rarr; sě''. Jednakože pravilo jest nedoslědno, napr. {{-|''п'яний&nbsp;&rarr; pjenyj''}} і ''{{-|pjanyj}}''. # {{Note|5}} Za označenje {{-|'''л'''}} v praslovjanskoj kombinaciji {{-|'''ъl'''}} prěd suglaskoju ({{-|''vołk''}}), ili na koncu sloga ({{-|''oreł, düł, vüł, dołhyj, tołstyj, był, plił''}}), ili prěd suglaskoju, ktora zaključaje slog ({{-|''tołk, dołh''}}), osoblivo v slučaju mužskyh imennikov s konečnym {{-|''л''}} i mužskyh form prošlogo časa ({{-|''pochodył''}}). # {{Note|6}} Za označenje {{-|'''і'''}} od staroslovjanskogo {{-|'''о'''}} (Jireček različal medžu {{-|'''і'''}} od {{-|'''о'''}}, {{-|'''е'''}} i {{-|'''ѣ'''}}. Tutoj zvuk izgovarjaje se kako zaokrugljen {{-|'''і'''}} ({{-|''кість&nbsp;&rarr; küsť, гвіздь&nbsp;&rarr; hvüźď''}}). # {{Note|7}} Samo v čudžih slovah. </div> ==== Vně Galicije ==== [[Fajl:Molitvennik_dlyá_gyitej_(1904).jpg | thumb | Molitovnik za děti {{-|«Ánhel Hoszpodeny»}} (Užhorod, 1904), napisany [[Madjarsky jezyk|madjarskym]] pravopisom]] [[Fajl:У_полі,_гей,_у_полі!_(рукопис_Федьковича).jpg | thumb | Poema {{-|''Hej u poly, u poly!''}} Fedkovyča]] Daže v rosijskoj česti Ukrajiny byl podpor za latinizaciju ukrajinskogo jezyka kako srědstvo umenšenja russkyh vlivov. Napriklad 1844 g. byla izdana rukopisnu versija «Kobzara» [[Taras Ševčenko|Tarasa Ševčenka]] v poljskoj transkripciji, s pravkami samogo avtora.<ref>{{Cite web | url = http://kobzar.ua/item/show/4814 | title = Портал Шевченка | website = kobzar.ua | language = en | access-date = 2025-05-12}}</ref> V srědině stolětja poet Tomaš (Tymko) Padura, prědstavitelj ukrajinskoj školy poljskogo Romantizma, takože pisal svoje ukrajinskojezyčne tvory na osnově poljskogo alfabeta. A v 1859 g. izvěstny hirurg Mykola Pyrohov napisal projekt ukrajinskogo učebnika napisanogo poljskoju latiniceju, ktory jednakože byl odkydnuty vladoju.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://www.istpravda.com.ua/articles/2021/04/7/159284/ | title = Українська латинка в царській Росії? | publisher = Історична правда | date = 2021-04-07 | first = Ярослав | last = Сумишин | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20220627051828/https://www.istpravda.com.ua/articles/2021/04/7/159284/ | archive-date = 2022-06-27 | access-date = 2025-05-12}}</ref> Nakonec v 1882 g. [[Myhajlo Drahomanov]] izdal versiju «Marije» [[Taras Ševčenko|Tarasa Ševčenka]] na latinici.<ref>{{Cite web | url = http://diasporiana.org.ua/wp-content/uploads/books/18454/file.pdf | title = Marija, maty Isusowa. Wirszy Tarasa Szewczenka z uwahamy M. Drahomanowa | place = Ženeva | year = 1882 | archive-date = 2019-07-31 | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20190731220111/http://diasporiana.org.ua/wp-content/uploads/books/18454/file.pdf}}</ref> Jegov vlastny projekt za reformu kirilice (tako nazyvajema ''drahomanivka'') umožnjaje prěhod iz jednoj sistemy v drugu posrědstvom prostoj zaměny znakov. Latinica takože byla koristana v ukrajinskyh publikacijah v [[Rumunija|rumunskyh]] regionah Besarabija, Bukovina i Dobrudža, a takože na Zakarpatju, ktoro onogda naležala [[Vugrija|Vugriji]]. Ukrajinsky poet Osyp-Jurij Fedkovyč iz Bukoviny, pisal ukrajinskoju latiniceju po prikladu hrvatskoj gajice, napr. v poemě {{-|''Hej u poly, u poly!''}}.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://uk.wikisource.org/wiki/Hej_u_poly,_u_poly! | title = Hej u poly, u poly! | first = Осип-Юрій | last = Федькович | website = Vikiizvornik | access-date = 2025-05-12 | language = uk}}</ref> === V Sovětskom Sojuzu === V 1920-yh i 1930-yh lětah v [[Sovětsky Sojuz|Sovětskom Sojuzu]] byla vedena kampanija za latinizaciju, vslěd ktoroj ok. 70 jezykov prěključilo se na pravopis osnovany na latinskom alfabetu (najčestěje menše jezyky Rosije, ktore raněje byli pisane arabskym pismom ili ne iměli silnu kniževnu tradiciju). Ačekoli ukrajinsky jezyk (zajedno s russkym i bělorusskym) byl izključeny iz kampanije, odbyvali se diskusije o prědmetu. V 1923 g. pisatelj Serhij Pylypenko napisal {{-|«Odvertyj lyst do vsix, xto cikavyt's sja cijeju spravoju», v ktorom propagoval prěhod ukrajinskogo na latinicu.}}<ref>{{Cite magazine | title = Odvertyj lyst do vsix, xto cikavyt's sja cijeju spravoju | magazine = Червоний шлях | issue = № 6—7, Х, 1923 | pages = 267—268 | url = https://zbruc.eu/node/76798 | language = uk}}</ref> Podčas Vseukrajinskoj pravopisnoj konferencije v [[Harkiv|Harkovu]] v 1927 g. jezykoznavci Majk Johansen, Borys Tkačenko i Mykola Nakonečnyj oficialno prědložili aktivno koristanje latinskogo alfabeta kako čest pravopisa. Poslě dvudnevnoj diskusije bylo glasovanje, s rezultatom: 20 glasov za, a 25 protiv. Pozdněje vsi zapadli žrtvami stalinskogo terora: Pylypenko (1934), Johansen i Tkačenko (1937) byli razstrěljeni, a Tkačenko osudženy na pet lět izgnanja. V tomže samom periodu latinica poněkogda byla koristana v ukrajinskojezyčnyh publikacijah v [[Poljska|Poljskě]], [[Čehoslovakija|Čehoslovakiji]] i [[Rumunija|Rumuniji]]. === Sučasnost === Dnešnjego dnja za pisanje ukrajinskogo jezyka oficialno koristaje se samo kiriličsko pismo. Jestvujut oficialne standardy [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka|latinizacije]], ktore sut prěznačene za ljudi, ktori ne čitajut kirilicu, i služet za prědavanje ukrajinskyh vlastnyh imen i nazv na medžunarodnyh dokumentah. Pod koncem 20. stolětja obnovili se diskusije o potrěbě polnocěnnoj ukrajinskoj latinice. Glavne pytanja v njih tyčut se formy i obsega takogo alfabeta. Sut napriklad myslji o vvedenju latinice kako drugogo alfabeta. Taka situacija jestvuje v [[Srbija|Srbiji]], kde paralelno funkcionovanje dvoh alfabetov ne dovedlo ni k upadku jezyka i kultury, ni k izčezanju kirilice, ale ulegšaje Srbam kontakty s Zapadom. Sut takože ti, ktori nadyhajut se uspěšnym prěhodom v latinicu v [[Azerbajdžan]]u, [[Uzbekistan]]u i [[Moldavija|Moldaviji]]. Protivniki, iz drugoj strany, argumentujut o «tysečlětnom kulturnom naslědstvu» i izražajut strah, že tako razběženje ukrajinskogo i rosijskogo pravopisov može dovesti k poražkě pri vvodženju ukrajinskogo jezyka v rusifikovanyh čestah kraja – ačekoli privrženci ideji uvažajut, že efekt byl by obratny. V periodu poslě 1991 g. stvorjenyh bylo několiko novyh variantov ukrajinskoj latinice, ktore nemnožko poširili se v internetu i kulturologičnyh časopisah, a sut rědko upotrěbjane. V 2000 Ivan Lučuk publikoval {{-|«Ukrajinska latynka. Korotkyj pravopys»}}.<ref>{{Cite book | url = https://shron1.chtyvo.org.ua/Luchuk_Ivan/Ukrajinka_latynka_Korotkyj_pravopys.pdf | first = Ivan | last = Lučuk | title = Ukrajinska latynka. Korotkyj pravopys | year = 2000 | publisher = Класика | language = uk}}</ref> Tutoj (neoficialny) pravopis, nazyvajemy ''lučukivkoju'', jest shodny na Jiračkov projekt: osnova jest češsky pravopis, s koristanjem několikyh slovačskyh ({{-|ľ, ŕ}}) i poljskyh ({{-|ć, ń, ś, ź}}) bukv, a takože s zaměnoju {{-|ch}} v {{-|x}}. On regularno koristaje s v časopisu {{-|«Ї»}}. Jaroslav Myhajlyšyn opisyvaje drugy, uproščeny variant latinice, osnovany na hrvatskoj ''gajevici'': koristaje samo tri nestandardne bukvy ({{-|č, š}} i {{-|ž}}, a smekčenje označaje bukvoju '''{{-|j}}'''; kiriličsku '''{{-|х}}''' zaměnjaje na latinsku '''{{-|x}}'''.<ref>{{Cite magazine | url = https://www.ji-magazine.lviv.ua/luch/myxajlyshyn.htm | first = Ярослав | last = Михайлишин | title = Транслітерація чи латинська абетка для української мови | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20120716183627/http://www.ji-magazine.lviv.ua/luch/myxajlyshyn.htm | archive-date = 2012-07-16 | language = uk | magazine = «Ї»}}</ref> Tutoj pravopis koristaje se na vebsajtu ''{{-|Nova Latynka}}''.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://nova-latynka.livejournal.com/775.html | title = Nova Latynka | access-date = 2025-05-12}}</ref> == Priklady == Prvy kuplet [[Himn Ukrajiny|himna Ukrajiny]] glavnymi versijami ukrajinskoj latinice: {| class="wikitable" border="1" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" align="center" |+ |- ! style="background:#CFCFCF;" | ''Kirilica'' ! style="background:#CFCFCF;" | ''Projekt Lozynskogo'' ! style="background:#CFCFCF;" | ''Projekt Jirečka'' ! style="background:#CFCFCF;" | ''Projekt na osnově gajevice'' ! style="background:#CFCFCF;" | ''Oficialna narodna transliteracija'' |- | {{-|Ще не вмерла України ні слава, ні воля. <br/> Ще нам, браття молодії, усміхнеться доля. <br/> Згинуть наші воріженьки, як роса на сонці,<br/> Запануєм і ми, браття, у своїй сторонці.<br/><br/> Душу й тіло ми положим за нашу свободу<br/>І покажем, що ми, браття, козацького роду!}} | {{-|Szcze ne wmerła Ukrainy ni sława, ni wola.<br/> Szcze nam, brattia molodii, usmichneťsia dola.<br/> Zhynuť naszi woriżeńky, jak rosa na sonci,<br/> Zapanujem i my, brattia, u swoij storonci.<br/><br/> Duszu j tiło my położym za naszu swobodu,<br/> I pokażem, szczo my, brattia, kozaćkoho rodu.}} | {{-|Šče ne vmerla Ukrajiny ni slava, ni voľa.<br/> Šče nam, bratťa molodiji, usmichnet sě doľa.<br/> Zhynut naši vorüžeńky, jak rosa na sonci,<br/> Zapanujem i my, bratťa, u svojij storonci.<br/><br/> Dušu j tilo my položym za našu svobodu,<br/> I pokažem, ščo my, bratťa, kozaćkoho rodu.}} | {{-|Šče ne vmerla Ukrajiny ni slava, ni volja.<br/> Šče nam, brattja molodiji, usmixnetjsja dolja.<br/> Zhynutj naši voriženjky, jak rosa na sonci,<br/> Zapanujem i my, brattja, u svojij storonci.<br/><br/> Dušu j tilo my položym za našu svobodu,<br/> I pokažem, ščo my, brattja, kozacjkoho rodu.}} | {{-|Shche ne vmerla Ukrainy ni slava, ni volia.<br/> Shche nam, brattia molodii, usmikhnetsia dolia.<br/> Zghynut nashi vorizhenky, yak rosa na sontsi,<br/> Zapanuiem i my, brattia, u svoii storontsi.<br/><br/> Dushu y tilo my polozhym za nashu svobodu<br/>I pokazhem, shcho my, brattia, kozatskoho rodu.}} |- |} == Iztočniky == {{Iztočniky}} == Literatura == * {{Cite book | last = Лесюк | first = М.П. | chapter = Азбучні дискусії в 30—40-х роках XIX ст. | title = Становлення і розвиток української літературної мови в Галичині | place = Івано-Франківськ | publisher = Місто НВ | year = 2014 | pages = 418 | isbn = 978-966-428-342-4 | language = uk}} * {{Cite journal | last = Чорновол | first = Ігор | title = Латинка в українському правописі: ретроспектива і perspektyva | journal = Незалежний культурологічний часопис «Ї» | year = 2001 | volume = 23 | url = http://www.ji.lviv.ua/n23texts/chornovol.htm | language = uk}} * {{Cite book | last = Dwornik | first = Kamil | chapter = Słoweńska "abecedna vojna" i pierwsza ukraińska «азбучна війна» w Galicji – próba porównania | url = http://www.academia.edu/5365156/Słoweńska_abecedna_vojna_i_pierwsza_ukraińska_азбучна_війна_w_Galicji_próba_porównania | title = Slovanský svět: Známý či neznámý |editor1-first = Kateřina | editor1-last = Kedron | editor2-first = Marek | editor2-last = Příhoda | place = Praha, Červený Kostelec | publisher = Pavel Mervart | year = 2013 |series = Russia Altera. Dějiny, kultura, duchovnost | pages = 119–126 | isbn = 978-80-7465-063-5 | language = pl}} * {{Cite web | url = http://starzaki.eu.org/~lukasz/suputnyk/_doc/Alfabet_ukrainski.pdf | first = Łukasz | last = Starzak | title = Alfabet ukraiński | language = pl}} == Vněšnje linky == * {{Cite web | url = http://www.latynka.org/ | title = Ukrajinśka Latynka}} * {{Cite web | url = http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?AddButton=pages\O\R\Orthography.htm | title = Orthography | website = Internet Encyclopedia of Ukraine}} * {{Cite web | url = http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?AddButton=pages\A\L\Alphabetwar.htm | title = Alphabet War | website = Internet Encyclopedia of Ukraine}} * {{Cite web | url = http://resource.history.org.ua/cgi-bin/eiu/history.exe?&I21DBN=EIU&P21DBN=EIU&S21STN=1&S21REF=10&S21FMT=eiu_all&C21COM=S&S21CNR=20&S21P01=0&S21P02=0&S21P03=TRN=&S21COLORTERMS=0&S21STR=Azbuchna_vijna | title = Азбучна війна | website = Енциклопедія історії України}} * {{Cite web | url = https://zbruc.eu/node/38124 | title = Україна-Ukraine-Ukrajina etc | website = Zbruč}} * {{Cite web | url = http://baltoslav.eu/lat/index.php?mova=pl&j=uk | title = Latynizator}} * {{Cite web | url = http://tran.comze.com/ukrainian_latin.html | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20170415103645/http://tran.comze.com/ukrainian_latin.html | archive-date = 2017-04-15 | title = Konverter ukrajinśkoji latynky (proekt Serhija Meĺnyka)}} * {{Cite web | url = http://steen.free.fr/rtc/ruthenian.html | title = Latynka transliterator}} * {{Cite web | url = https://paiv.github.io/latynka/ | title = {{-|Ukraïnśka Latynka}}: razširjenje za prědgledača] (avtomatična transliteracija vebsajtov)}} * {{Cite web | url = http://latynka.tak.today/ | title = Ukrajinśka Latynka | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20181228000120/http://latynka.tak.today/ | archive-date = 2018-12-28 | language = uk}} <!--- https://web.archive.org/web/20221001211220/https://latynka.tak.today/ ---> {{Članok s zvězdoju}} [[Kategorija:Ukrajinsky jezyk]] [[Kategorija:Latinica]] {{INTERWIKI|Q2322215}} 6qpgosqbvchtowly8lgwd90ccqush3e Vojtek (medvěd) 0 1968 28514 16869 2026-07-10T14:02:13Z MwGamera 13 zwsp→zwnj 28514 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Wojtek the bear.jpg|thumb|Vojtek (napravo) s poljskym vojinom v 1943 roku]] '''Vojtek''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Wojtek|en|Wojtek|en|Voytek}}; 1942–1963) byl sirijsky [[Medvěd koričnevy|koričnevy medvěd]], ktory byl kupjeny kako medvědže na želězničnoj stanciji v [[Hamadan]]u ([[Iran]]) vojinami [[Poljska|poljskogo]] [[Drugy korpus (Poljska)|Drugogo korpusa]], ktori byli evakuovani iz [[Sovětsky Sojuz|Sovětskogo sojuza]]. Da by dostali jemu jedu i transport, jego pozdněje služebno verbovali kako vojina s redom rednika, i potom naprědovali do korporala.<ref>{{Cite web |url= http://www.tvp.info/15256579/pomnik-legendarnego-niedzwiedzia-wojtka-stanal-w-krakowie |title=Pomnik legendarnego niedźwiedzia Wojtka stanął w Krakowie |work=Telewizja Polska |date=2014-05-19 |access-date=2015-12-24 |language=pl}}</ref> On suprovadžal boljšest poljskogo Drugogo korpusa do [[Italija|Italije]] i služil v 22. kompaniji artilerijskoj dostavky. Podčas bitvy v Monte-Kasinu (Italija) v 1944 roku, Vojtek pomagal prěměščati krabky i amuniciju i stal znamenitostju, posěčajuči generalov i državnikov sojuznikov. Poslě vojny, on byl izvoljnjeny iz poljskogo vojska i žil ostatok žitja v Edinburgskom zoologičnom parku v [[Škotska|Škotskě]]. == Historija == Vesnoju 1942 roka Vojsko [[Vladislav Anders|Andersa]] odjehalo iz Sovětskogo sojuza v Iran, buduči sostavjeno tysečami poljskyh gradžanov, ktori byli deportovani v [[gulag]]y poslě sovětskogo vpada v Poljsku v 1939 roku. V času odpočnogo zajezda nedaleko od grada Hamadan na puti v [[Teheran]] 8 aprilja 1942 roka, grupa poljskyh vojinov sustrětla mladogo iranskogo hlapca, ktory našel medvěda poslě togo, kogda jegova mati byla zastrěljena lovcami. Jednoj iz gradžanskyh běžencev srěd njih, 18-lětnoj Ireně Bokěvič ({{Jezyky|pl|Irena Bokiewicz}}), velmi poljubilo se medvedže, čto pobudilo poručnika Anatolja Tarnověcki ({{Jezyky|pl|Anatol Tarnowiecki}}) kupiti mladogo medvěda, ktory potom provedl 3 měsece v poljskom lageru běžencev, ktory byl ustanovjeny nedaleko od Teherana, glavno pod opekoju Ireny.<ref>{{Cite magazine |title=O niedźwiedziu, który był polskim żołnierzem |journal=Polonia Włoska — Biuletyn Informacyjny |volume=18 |number=1–2 |date=2013-07-17 |page=24 |url=http://en.calameo.com/read/000823018fce5ff37e1c7 |access-date=2015-12-24 |language=pl}}</ref> V avgustu medvěd byl podarovany 2. transportnoj kompaniji, ktora pozdněje stala 22. kompanijeju artilerijskoj dostavky, i on byl narěčeny vojinami Vojtkom. Vojtek prvonačelno imal zagadku s goltan‌jem i jego krmili gustym [[mlěko]]m iz staroj butylky od [[Vodka|vodky]]. Jemu pozdněje načeli davati ovoče, marmeladu, [[med]] i sirop i jego često nagradžali [[pivo]]m, ktory stal jegovym omiljenym napitkom. On takože poljubil kurjen‌je (ili jedan‌je) cigaret.<ref name="cigarettes">{{Cite news |title=Wojtek wraca |newspaper=Polityka |page=11 |date=2 February 2008|language=pl}}</ref><ref name="eating cigarettes">{{Cite web |url= http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/what-s-on/smarter-than-the-average-bear-by-far-1-1342563 |title=Smarter than the average bear .. by far |work=Edinburgh Evening News |date=2007-03-28 |access-date=2014-08-15 |language=en}}</ref> On ljubil boriti se s vojinami i byl obučeny privitati pri prědstavjen‌ju. Vojtek stal prědmetom pritegan‌ja dlja vojinov i gradžanov i skoro stal neslužebnym maskotom vsih jedinic pobližno. S 22. kompanijeju on prěměščal se do [[Irak]]a i potom črěz [[Sirija|Siriju]], [[Palestina|Palestinu]] i [[Egipt]].<ref name="Mansolas">{{Cite book|title=Monte Cassino January-May 1944: The Legend of the Green Devils|author=Angelos Mansolas|isbn=978-1-78155-602-3|date=2017|publisher=Fonthill Media|language=en}}</ref> Vojtek jest diminutiv od poljskogo imena Vojcěh ({{Lang|pl|Wojciech}}), ktoro znači «ščestlivy v vojně». === Rednik Vojtek === [[Fajl:Wojtek soldier bear.svg|thumb|upright=0.5|Vojtek s artilerijskoju luščinoju, gerb 22. kompanije artilerijskoj dostavky<ref>{{Cite web |url= http://suite101.de/article/private-wojtek-alias-voytek-ein-bar-im-dienste-der-armee-a89384 |title='Private Wojtek' alias Voytek, ein Bär im Dienste der Armee |first=Adele |last=Sansone |work=Suite101 |date=2013-07-09 |access-date=2014-08-15|language=de}}</ref>]] Da by prěnesti Vojtka na britansku transportnu lod, kogda jedinica poplyvla s ostalym Drugym korpusom od Egipta, da by boriti se zajedno s britanskym 8. vojskom v Italijanskoj kampaniji, Vojtek byl služebno vključeny v Poljsko vojsko kako rednik i byl zaregistrovany kako vojin 22. kompanije artilerijskoj dostavky. Henryku Zahareviču ({{Jezyky|pl|Henryk Zacharewicz}}) i Dymitru Šavlugo ({{Jezyky|pl|Dymitr Szawlugo}}) bylo poručeno pekati se njim. Kako zaregistrovany vojin Kompanije, so svojeju izplatoju, redom i serijnym nomerom, on žil s inymi ljudami v šatrah ili v osoblivoj drěvěnoj krabkě, ktoru vozili avtomobilom. Po mnogyh razkazah, podčas bitvy v Monte-Kasinu Vojtek pomagal nositi 100-funtove krabky i 25-funtove artilerijske luščiny, vse bez nijednogo upada.<ref>{{Cite book |last=Orr |first=Aileen |title=Wojtek the Bear – Polish War Hero |publisher=Birlinn Publishers |date=2010-11-01 |isbn=978-1-84158-845-2 |page=45 |language=en}}</ref> V znak poznan‌ja jego popularnosti, centrala utvrdila izobražen‌je medvěda, ktoro nese artilerijsku luščinu, kako služebny gerb 22. kompanije.<ref name="bbcoutlook">{{Citation |work=BBC Outlook |title=The Soldier Bear Who Went to War |url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p06vvk2r |language=en}}</ref> === Poslě vojny === Poslě konca [[Druga světova vojna|Drugoj světovoj vojny]] v 1945 roku Vojtek byl prěvezeny s ostaloj 22. kompanijeju v Bervikšir v [[Škotska|Škotskě]]. Poslě demobilizacije 15 novembra 1947 roka Vojtek byl oddany v Edinburgsky zoologičny park, kde on provedl ostatok svojego žitja i byl često posěčajemy žurnalistami i byvšimi poljskymi vojinami, něktore iz ktoryh metali jemu cigarety, ktore on prodolžal jesti, jerbo nikto ne zapaljal jih dlja jego. Čuvan‌je medij vložilo v popularnost Vojtka. On byl čestym gostem v programě {{-|BBC}} dlja dětij {{Lang|en|Blue Peter}}.<ref>{{Cite news|url=https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/travel/wojtek-soldier-bear-edinburgh/|title=The story of Wojtek – the soldier bear who was promoted to Corporal|date=2017-12-29|work=iNews|access-date=2018-06-22|language=en-GB}}</ref> Vojtek umrěl v decembru 1963 roka v vozrastu 21 rokov. Na vrěme jegovoj smrti on važil blizno 220 kilogramov i imal rast bolje {{Formatnum|1.8}} metrov.<ref name="Mansolas2">{{Cite book|title=Monte Cassino January-May 1944: The Legend of the Green Devils|author=Angelos Mansolas|isbn=978-1-78155-602-3|date=2017|publisher=Fonthill Media|language=en|quote=At the time of his death, he weighed nearly 500 kilograms (1,100 lb) and was over 1.8 metres (6 feet) tall.}}</ref> == Pamet == [[Fajl:Niedziwedz Wojtek pomnik park jordana krakow.JPG|thumb|Pametnik Vojtku v parku Jordana, Krakov]] Mnoge pametniky vojinu-medvědu vključajut pametnu dosku v Imperskom vojennom muzeju i skulpturu Devida Hardinga v Muzeju Sikorskogo v [[London]]u. 25 aprilja 2013 roka Krakovsky gradsky sovět rěšil postaviti statuju Vojtku v parku Jordana. Ona byla odslanjana 18 maja 2014, na 70-lětje bitvy v Monte-Kasinu.<ref name="polskieradio">{{Cite web |url= http://www.thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/134028,Krakow-votes-for-WWII-soldier-bear-statue |title=Krakow votes for WWII soldier bear statue |work=Polskie Radio |date=2013-04-26 |access-date=2014-08-15 |language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|first=Pilnuj |last=Polski |url=http://wpolityce.pl/historia/195392-niedzwiedz-wojtek-bedzie-mial-swoj-pomnik-w-krakowskim-parku-jordana-zapraszamy-na-niedzielne-uroczystosci-rocznicy-bitwy-o-monte-cassino |title=Niedźwiedź Wojtek będzie miał swój pomnik w krakowskim Parku Jordana |publisher=Wpolityce.pl |date=2014-05-13 |access-date=2014-08-15|language=pl}}</ref> 13 septembra 2013 roka gradsky sovět Edinburga utvrdil postavjen‌je bronzovoj statuje Vojtku raboty Alana Biti Heriota v parku Princes-strit-gardens.<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.wojtekmemorialtrust.com/the-statue/|title=The Statue|website=Wojtek Memorial Trust|access-date=2016-03-31|language=en}}</ref> Odslonjena 7 novembra 2015, ona prědstavjaje hodečego razom Vojtka i vojina poljskogo vojska. 4-metrovy relief pokazyvaje put Vojtka iz Egipta do Škotsky s Poljskym vojskom.<ref>{{Cite web|first=David |last=McCann |url=http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland/top-stories/prince-street-gardens-statue-of-polish-army-bear-1-2947117 |title=Prince Street Gardens statue of Polish army bear |work=The Scotsman |date=2013-05-29 |access-date=2014-08-15 |language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.emito.net/kultura/historia/pomnik_niedzwiedzia_wojtka_w_edynburgu_1492722.html |title=Niedźwiedź Wojtek w Princes Street Gardens |publisher=Emito.net |date=2013-09-30 |access-date=2014-08-15|language=pl}}</ref> 30 decembra 2011 roka film {{Lang|en|Wojtek: The Bear That Went to War}} (Vojtek: Medvěd, ktory pošel na vojnu) byl pokazany na {{-|BBC Two Scotland}} s razkazom od Brajana Bleseda.<ref>{{Cite web |url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b018jhfr |title=Wojtek: The Bear That Went to War |work=BBC Two |date=2011-12-30 |accessdate=2014-08-15|language=en}}</ref> == Iztočniky == {{Iztočniky}} == Vněšnje linky == {{Prěvod|en|Wojtek (bear)|revizija=1017489118}} {{Članok s zvězdoju}} [[Kategorija:Slavne životiny]] [[Kategorija:Poljska]] {{INTERWIKI|Q1055802}} 1q13mmbxfbpzb6vijxsdyzvyiy1266l Zonalny pomočny jezyk 0 2042 28493 17465 2026-07-10T13:20:16Z Minorax 40 28493 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Zonalne pomočne jezyky''' sut [[umětne jezyky]], stvorjene, da by ulegšili komunikaciju medžu govoriteljami někakoj grupy blizko spokrovjenyh jezykov. One sut podgrupa medžunarodnyh pomočnyh jezykov, ale prěznačene samo dlja ograničenoj jezyčnoj ili geografičnoj oblasti, i ne dlja vsego světa, kako napr. [[esperanto]] i [[volapük]]. Pojetje zonalnogo jezyka čestično prěkryvaje se s pojetjem [[evroklon]], s takoju razlikoju, že slovo «evroklon» obyčno tyče se jezykov naměrjenyh dlja světovogo upotrěbjanja, ale (skoro) izključiteljno osnovanyh na evropejskom materialu. Druga povezana koncepcija jest [[koine]]: narěčje, ktoro prirodnym sposobom razvilo se v srědstvo komunikacije medžu govoriteljami različenyh narěčij někakogo jezyka. Množinstvo zonalnyh pomočnyh jezykov zarodilo se v periodu romantičnogo nacionalizma na koncu 19-ogo stolětja, ale někoje byli iztvorjene pozdněje. Tutčas te starějše zonalne jezyky sut znane samo specialistam. Najbolje znajemy i uspěšny iz sovrěmennyh prikladov jest ''[[medžuslovjansky jezyk]]''. Drugy priklad jest ''{{-|[[folkspraak]]}}'', osnovany na [[Germanske jezyky|germanskyh jezykah]]. == Vseslovjanske jezyky == Najstarějše i najbolje mnogočislne zonalne jezyky sut [[vseslovjanske jezyky]]. Uže v godu 1583 venetsko-hrvatsky duhovny i pisatelj [[Šime Budinič]] iz [[Zadar]]a prěvedl dělo [[Petr Kanizij|Petra Kanizija]], {{Lang|la|Summa doctrinae christianae}}, na ''{{-|Slovignsky}}'' ili ''{{-|Slouignsky iazik}}'', koristajuči i latinicu i kirilicu. Vtory najstarějši priklad jest ''[[Ruski jezik]]'' hrvatskogo svečennika [[Juraj Križanič|Juraja Križaniča]], ktorogo često uvažaje se za prvogo [[Panslavizm|panslavista]]. Ine značime priklady ranyh vseslovjanskyh jezykoprojektov sut {{Lang|la|[[Universalis Lingua Slavica]]}} ([[Jan Herkelj]], 1826), {{Lang|sl|Uzajemni pravopis slavjanski}} ([[Matija Majar-Ziljski]], 1865), {{Lang|de|Neuslawisch}} (Ignac Hošek, 1907) i ''Slavina'' (Josef Konečny, 1912). Do početka 20-ogo stolětja vse jezykoprojekty iz definicije harakterizovala krajno naturalistična gramatika, osnovana bezposrědnje ili posrědnje na [[Starocrkovnoslovjansky jezyk|starocrkovnoslovjanskom]]. Avtorov motivovala věra, že vse slovjanske jezyky ne sut odděljene jazyky, ale narěčja jednogo jedinogo slovjanskogo jezyka. Oni iměli žalj, že te narěčja razvili se ponad vzajemnoj razumlivosti, i voobražali sobě jezyk, ktory može zavratiti toj proces i s vrěmenem zajme město osobnyh slovjanskyh jezykov.<ref>{{Cite book |author=Anna-Maria Meyer |date=2014 |title=Wiederbelebung einer Utopie. Probleme und Perspektiven slavischer Plansprachen im Zeitalter des Internets (Bamberger Beiträge zur Linguistik 6) |location=Bamberg |publisher=[[University of Bamberg]] Press|isbn=978-3-86309-233-7 |page=86 |language=de}}</ref> V 21-om stolětju mnogi avtori publikovali vseslovjanske jezykoprojekty na internetu. Srěd naturalističnyh projektov najbolje značime byli surabotničsky projekt ''[[Slovianski]]'' iz 2006 goda, i ''[[Novoslověnsky]]'', osnovany na starocrkovnoslovjanskom i publikovany v 2010 godu od [[Vojtěh Merunka|Vojtěha Merunky]].<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.neoslavonic.org |title=neoslavonic language tutorial |publisher=Neoslavonic.org |access-date=2015-04-09}}</ref> Črěz lěta 2011–2017 te dva projekty slivali se v jedin obči ''[[medžuslovjansky jezyk]]'', ktory takože sodrživaje material iz starějših naturalističnyh projektov.<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/history.html |title=A Short History of Interslavic |author=<!--Staff writer(s); no by-line.-->|date=12 May 2013 |website=Steen.free.fr |access-date=9 December 2014}}</ref> Vse povyše vseslovjanske jezykoprojekty sut natoliko shodne k sobě, že možno jest je uvažati za versije togože samogo jezyka. Jednakože izjavili se takože někoje shematične projekty, napr. ''Slovanština'' (Edmund Kolkop, 1912), ''Neposlava'' (Vsevolod Češihin, 1915), ''Slavski jezik'' (Bohumil Holy, 1920) i ''[[Slovio]]'' (Mark Hučko, 1999).<ref>Meyer, p. 158.</ref> Jihni avtori naměrjali k radikalnomu oproščenju gramatiky i često slučali slovjansky slovosbor s gramatikoju [[Esperanto|esperanta]]. == Vsegermanske jezyky == Stvorjene byli i jezyky za upotrěbjanje od govoriteljev [[Germanske jezyky|germanskyh jezykov]]. Srěd prikladov sut ''{{-|Tutonish}}'', vsegermansky projekt iz 1902 goda od Eliasa Mole'a, ktory početkovo iměl byti pomočny jezyk, ale pozdněje zaměniti vse ostale germanske jezyky; ''{{-|Euronord}}'' A.J. Pilgrima (1965); i ''{{-|[[Folkspraak]]}}'', raznorodny, mnogoavtorsky projekt sostoječi se iz različnyh dialektov, započety v 1995 godu. == Vseromanske jezyky == Mnoge jezyky stvorjene za vsesvětsko upotrěbjanje sostojet se izključiteljno ili prěvažno iz [[Latinsky jezyk|latinskogo]] i/ili [[Romanske jezyky|romanskogo]] materiala, napr. ''{{-|Latino sine flexione}}'' (Džuseppe Peano, 1903), ''{{-|Neolatino}}'' (Andre Šild, 1947), ''{{-|Internacional}}'' (Žoao Evandželista Kampos Lima, 1948), ''[[Interlingua]]'' (IALA, 1951), [https://web.archive.org/web/20091018191322/http://geocities.com/Athens/3150/latinomodernecontents.html ''{{-|Latino moderne}}''] (Devid T. Stark, 1996) i ''[[Lingua Franca Nova]]'' (Džordž Bure, 1998), vslěd čego težko jest odličiti je od vseromanskyh jezykov. Jednakože někoje jezyky byli prědstavjene izrazno kako jezyky dlja govoriteljev romanskyh jezykov, napr. ''Romanid'' (Zoltan Madžar, 1956), [http://crandall.altervista.org/rn/romanova.htm ''Romanova''] (Devid Krendal i Robert V. Hubert, 2000), [https://web.archive.org/web/20191130120605/http://parlainterlinguaromanica.blogspot.com/ ''{{-|Interlingua romanica}}''] (Ričard Sorflit i Džosu Lavin, 2001), [http://neolatino.eu ''{{-|Romance neolatino}}''] (Džordi Kassanj Bates i dr., 2012) i [https://sites.google.com/yahoo.de/interromance/ ''{{-|Latino Interromanico}}''] (Rajmund Zaharias i Tiago Sanktus, 2017). == Ine zonalne pomočne jezyky == Vse povyše priklady sut osnovane na jezykov indoevropejskyh, ale byli i opyty do stvorjenja zonalne jezyky dlja drugyh jezyčnyh sěmej: * ''Efatsky'' (19. stolětje), umětno směšany jezyk na osnově jezykov ostrov Efate v [[Vanuatu]]. * ''Palava kani'' (1992) od Tasmanskogo aborigenskogo osrědka, stvorjeny na osnově slov zapisanyh iz tasmanskyh jezykov prěd izumrenjem, imaje služiti domorodnym jezykom dlja potomkov tasmanskyh aborigenov. * ''[[Budinos]]'' (lěta 2000), zamysljeny dlja komunikacije medžu [[Uralske jezyky|uralskymi]] kulturami. Někoji jezykoznavci, napr. Alan Rid Libert, takože pričisljajut k zonalnym jezykam jezyky stvorjene dlja govoriteljev nespokrovjenyh jezykov v oprěděljenoj geografičnoj oblasti.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://oxfordre.com/linguistics/linguistics/view/10.1093/acrefore/9780199384655.001.0001/acrefore-9780199384655-e-11#acrefore-9780199384655-e-11-div1-3|title=Artificial languages|author=Alan Reed Libert|date=2018|access-date=2021-08-04}}</ref> Napr.: * ''Guosa'' (zamysljeny kako obči jezyk v Nigeriji) * ''Afrihili'' (zamysljeny kako lingva franka v Afrikě) == Iztočniky == <small><references /></small> == Literatura == * [[Jan van Steenbergen]]: "Zonal auxiliary languages". In: ''The Role of Language in Intercultural Communication''. Poznań 2020, str. 41-50. == Vněšnji link == * [http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/constructed_slavic_languages.html Spisok skonstruovanyh vseslovjanskyh jezykov] * {{Prěvod|en|Zonal auxiliary language|1078042722}} {{Umětne jezyky}} [[Kategorija:Umětne jezyky]] {{INTERWIKI|Q1132460}} beg7tj62fgyfcl1wx4kthg7dkr2pvey Г razdvojeno prstenjem po srědině 0 2414 28500 19231 2026-07-10T13:23:03Z Minorax 40 28500 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Cyrillic letter Ghe split by middle ring.svg | right | 240px]] Г razdvojeno prstenjem po srědině ([[Fajl:Cyrillic_capital_letter_split_by_middle_ring_Ghe.svg|13x13px]], [[Fajl:Cyrillic_small_letter_split_by_middle_ring_Ghe.svg|9x9px]]) je písmeno Kirilica používané ve verzi baškirské abecedy Mstislava Kulajeva z roku 1940. Odpovídá písmenu Ғ v současné abecedě. ==Kodovanje== Ta črka se uporablja v ''Baškirski abecedi'', še ni bila kodirana v '''''Unicode'''''. {| class=wikitable style="text-align:center;" ! colspan=2 | Kodovanje ! <big><big>{{-|[[Fajl:Cyrillic capital letter split by middle ring Ghe.svg|13x13px]]}}</big></big> ! <big><big>{{-|[[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter split by middle ring Ghe.svg|9x9px]]}}</big></big> |- ! colspan=2 | Nazva v Unikodu | {{-|CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SPLIT BY MIDDLE RING GHE}} | {{-|CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER SPLIT BY MIDDLE RING GHE}} |- ! rowspan=2 | Unikod !! šestnadseterična sistema | {{-|U+1E070}} | {{-|U+1E071}} |- ! deseterična sistema | 122992 | 122993 |- ! rowspan=2 | {{-|HTML}} !! šestnadseterična sistema | <code>&amp;#x1e070;</code> | <code>&amp;#x1e071;</code> |- ! deseterična sistema | <code>&amp;#122992;</code> | <code>&amp;#122993;</code> |} {{Kirilica}} {{Varianty bukvy Г}} t5iqiow2l39qxmtruvryx3j1tq9qojw Персидскы језык 0 2971 28531 21106 2026-07-11T04:26:55Z MwGamera 13 popr. dvojno prěnapravjenje 28531 wikitext text/x-wiki #REDIRECT [[Persijsky jezyk]] [[Kategorija:Иранске језыкы]] s32p9gfb2m70ml3d3an0e7kskgd5czv Ѥ 0 3440 28494 22734 2026-07-10T13:20:28Z Minorax 40 28494 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Cyrillic letter Iotated E.svg | right | 240px]] '''{{-|Є є}}''' (''jotovany {{-|е}}'') jest bukva [[Staroslovjanska azbuka|staroslovjanskoj kirilice]], upotrěbjena v [[Starocrkovnoslovjansky jezyk|starocrkovnoslovjanskom]] i [[Starovozhodnoslovjansky jezyk|starovozhodnoslovjanskom]], a takože v srbskoj redakciji [[Crkovnoslovjansky jezyk|crkovnoslovjanskogo]]. Ona byla stvorjena kako [[ligatura]] bukv '''{{-|[[І (kirilica)|І]]}}''' i '''{{-|[[Є]]}}''' i izgovarjaje se kako {{MFA|je}} ili {{MFA|jɛ}} na početku slova ili poslě samoglasky. Poslě suglasky (najčestěje '''{{-|[[л]]}}''', '''{{-|[[Н (kirilica)|н]]}}''' ili '''{{-|[[Р (kirilica)|р]]}}''') pričinjaje jejno smekčenje. Tuta bukva ne imaje ekvivalent v [[Glagolica|glagolici]] i ne imaje [[Starokirilične čisla|numerično značenje]]. Uže v 15. stolětju ona izhodila iz upotrěby na [[Rosija|russkyh]] teritorijah i osoblivo v [[Ukrajina|Ukrajině]] jejnu rolju prějela bukva '''{{-|[[є]]}}'''. U južnyh slovjanov ona funkcionovala dolžeje, v srbskoj pečati do 17. stolětja. Ješče na polovině 19. stolětje byla podjeta proba za jejno oživjenje v [[Bulgarsky jezyk|bulgarskom pravopisanju]], ktora jednakože okazala se neuspěšnoju. == Kodovanje == {| class=wikitable style="text-align:center;" ! colspan=2 | Kodovanje ! <big><big>{{-|Ѥ}}</big></big> ! <big><big>{{-|ѥ}}</big></big> |- ! colspan=2 | Nazva v Unikodu | {{-|CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER IOTIFIED E}} | {{-|CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER IOTIFIED E}} |- ! rowspan=2 | Unikod !! šestnadseterična sistema | {{-|U+0464}} | {{-|U+0465}} |- ! deseterična sistema | 1124 | 1125 |- ! rowspan=2 | {{-|HTML}} !! šestnadseterična sistema | <code>&amp;#x464;</code> | <code>&amp;#x465;</code> |- ! deseterična sistema | <code>&amp;#1124;</code> | <code>&amp;#1125;</code> |} {{Kirilica}} {{Varianty bukvy И}} {{Varianty bukvy Е}} [[Kategorija:Kirilične bukvy]] [[Kategorija:Кириличне буквы]] {{INTERWIKI|Q424885}} kaxo26ld481xjuf9zagrq4oglqkxv07 Қ 0 3458 28538 22841 2026-07-11T08:28:13Z MwGamera 13 zwsp→zwnj; −udvojene parametry, zastarěle tagy 28538 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Cyrillic letter Qaf.svg | right | 240px]] '''Қ''', '''қ''' (''к s nižnjeju črtkoju'', ''kaf''; {{Jezyky|en|ka with descender}}) jest bukva razširjenoj [[Kirilica|kirilice]], osnovana na bukvě '''{{-|[[К (kirilica)|к]]}}''' i upotrěbjajema v alfabetah poněkojih neslovjanskyh, osoblivo [[Turkijske jezyky|turkijskyh]] i [[Iranske jezyky|iranskyh]] jezykov, kde ona v občem označaje bezzvučny uvularny eksplosiv {{MFA|q}}. Ona takože upotrěbjaje se v [[Abhazsky alfabet|abhazskom alfabetu]], kde označaje bezzvučny velarny eksplosiv s pridyhan‌jem {{MFA|kʰ}}. == Turkijske jezyky == [[Fajl:Kazakh alphabet (cyrillic).svg | thumb | Kazahsky alfabet]] [[Fajl:KB Uzbek Cyrillic.svg | thumb | '''Қ''' na uzbekskoj tipkovnici]] Bukva '''қ''' od samogo početka nahodila se v kiriličnyh alfabetah [[Kazahsky jezyk|kazahskogo]], [[Karakalpaksky jezyk|karakalpakskogo]] i [[Uzbeksky jezyk|uzbekskogo]] jezykov, vvedenyh v 1940 g. poslě perioda latinizacije. V 1946 g. takože byl vvedeny kiriličny alfabet za [[Ujgursky jezyk|ujgursky]] jezyk. Onogda večinstvo menših jezykov ješče bylo nepisemnyh, ale pozdněje bukva '''қ''' takože našla se v alfabetah stvorjenyh za [[Šorsky jezyk|šorsky]] (1988 g.)<ref>{{Cite book | url = https://commons.emich.edu/theses/838 | last = Kazagasheva | first = Uliana | title = Phonemic inventory of the Shor language. Master's Theses and Doctoral Dissertations. 838 | year = 2016 | publisher = Eastern Michigan University | language = en | page = 86}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web | url = https://www.omniglot.com/writing/shor.htm | title = Shor (Шор тили) | first = Simon | last = Ager | website = Omniglot.com | language = en | access-date = 2025-12-29}}</ref> [[Tofalarsky jezyk|tofalarsky]] (1990 g., ale pozdněje zaměnjena na '''[[ӄ]]''')<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://www.omniglot.com/writing/tofa.htm | title = Tofa (Тоъфа дыл) | first = Simon | last = Ager | website = Omniglot.com | language = en | access-date = 2025-12-29}}</ref>, [[Teleutsky jezyk|teleutsky]] (početok 1990-yh lět)<ref>{{Cite book | url = https://altaica.ru/LIBRARY/turks/teleut_dili.pdf#page=4 | first1 = М.Г. | last1 = Токмашев | first2 = Д.М. | last2= Токмашев | title = Теленет тили / Телеутский язык | location = Кемерово | publisher = ООО «СКИФ»; ИПП «Кузбасс» | year = 2008 | isbn = 978-5-85905-367-4 | language = ru | pages = 6, 13}}</ref>, [[Sojotsko-caatansky jezyk|sojotsko-caatansky]] (2001), [[Čulymsky jezyk|čulymsky]] (meletsky dialekt, 2007–2018)<ref>{{Cite book | url = https://altaica.ru/LIBRARY/Kondiyakov_Lemskaya_2021_Tom1.pdf | last1 = Кондияков | first1 = А.Ф. | last2 = Лемская | first2 = В.М. | title = Чулымский язык д. Пасечное Тюхтетского района Красноярского края 2007–2021 гг. Т. I: Словарь, формы слов и грамматические примеры | place = Томск | publisher = Издательство Томского университета | year = 2021 | pages = 22–23 | isbn = 978-5-7511-2627-8 | language = ru}}</ref> i [[Kumandinsky jezyk|kumandinsky]] (2024)<ref>{{Cite news | title = Утвержден кумандинский алфавит | url = https://raipon.info/press-tsentr/novosti/utverzhden-kumandinskiy-alfavit-/ | work = Ассоциация коренных малочисленных народов Севера, Сибири и Дальнего Востока | date = 2024-10-21 | language = ru | access-date = 2025-11-15}}</ref> jezyky. V 1939 bukva '''қ''' nahodila s v jednom projektu [[Azerbajdžansky jezyk|azerbajdžanskogo alfabeta]] za označen‌je zvuka {{MFA|ɟ}}, ale v 1940 g. byla ustanovjena definitivna versija s '''[[ҝ]]'''.<ref>{{Cite news | url = https://vivaldi.nlr.ru/pn000115276/view/#page=76 | title = Rus әlifвasь ƣrafiqasь әsasьnda qurulmuş jeni Azәrвajçan әlifвasь | newspaper = Әdәвijjat ƣәzeti | date = 1939-05-23 | issue = 19 (224)}}</ref> Ona takože nahodila se v prědloženom alfabetu za [[kyrgyzsky jezyk]] iz 1939 g., ale v utvrdženom alfabetu 1941 g. bukva '''{{-|к}}''' jednočasno služila i za zvuky {{MFA|k}} i {{MFA|q}}.<ref>{{Cite book | url = https://krsu.edu.kg/images/news/files/istoriko_document_vistavka.pdf | first = О. Л. | last = Сумарокова | title = Кыргызский алфавит: долгий путь к кириллице. Каталог историко-документальной выставки | location = Бишкек | publisher = Изд-во КРСУ | year = 2021 | language = ru | isbn=978-9967-19-812-8 | pages = 80, 87}}</ref> V alfabet [[Karačajevo-balkarsky jezyk|karačajevo-balkarskogo jezyka]] bukva '''қ''' byla vvedena v 1961 g., ale uže v 1964 g. zaměnjena na '''{{-|къ}}'''.<ref>{{Cite book | url = https://elbrusoid.org/upload/iblock/4d3/4d3a7c8e2da3f334b4ac588e26f38aed.pdf | title = Қарачай-малқар тилни орфографиясы | location = Нальчик | year = 1961 | page = 4}}</ref> Ostale turkijske jezyky s kiriličnym alfabetom ili ne imajut zvuk {{MFA|q}} (napr. [[Čuvašsky jezyk|čuvašsky]], [[Tuvinsky jezyk|tuvinsky]], [[Hakassky jezyk|hakassky]], [[Turkmensky jezyk|turkmensky]], [[Azerbajdžansky jezyk|azerbajdžansky]]), ili koristajut drugu bukvu (napr. '''[[ҡ]]''' v [[Baškirsky jezyk|baškirskom]] ili '''{{-|[[х]]}}''' v [[Jakutsky jezyk|jakutskom]]) ili dvuznak '''{{-|къ}}''' (m.dr. [[Tatarsky jezyk|tatarsky]], [[Krymskotatarsky jezyk|krymskotatarsky]], [[Nogajsky jezyk|nogajsky]]). == Iranske jezyky == [[Fajl:Tajik rouble reverse detail.png | thumb | Na tadžikskoj banknotě]] V [[Iranske jezyky|iranskyh jezykah]] bukva '''қ''' prvično pojavila se v kiriličnom alfabetu za [[tadžiksky jezyk]], ktory 18 junija 1939 g. byl publikovany v gazetě «Коммунист Таджикистана» i s někojimi izměnami byla vvedena v 1940 g. Pozdněje ona nahodila se v alfabetah [[Jagnobsky jezyk|jagnobskogo]] (konec 1980-yh ili početok 1990-yh lět) i [[Pamirske jezyky|pamirskyh]] jezykov [[Vahansky jezyk|vahanskogo]] (od 1989 g.), [[Šugnansky jezyk|šugnanskogo]] (od 1990-yh lět), [[Rušansky jezyk|rušanskogo]] (v dvupisemnom prěvodu Evangelja Luky iz 2001 g.) i [[Jazgulamsky jezyk|jazgulamskogo]] (od 2010-yh lět).<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://ibt.org.ru/sites/default/files/ebm/ebook/657c95sgu/rs1_cyrillic_Luke.pdf | title = Luqō Inǰil / Луқō Инҷил | publisher = Институт перевода Библии | year = 2001}}</ref><ref>{{Cite book | url = https://iling-ran.ru/conferences/2018_lashkarbekov_collection.pdf | first1 = Р.М. | last1 = Сохибназарбекова | first2 = Я. | last2 = Обртелова | chapter = К проблеме фиксации материалов ваханского языка в Таджикистане | title = Иранское языкознание 2020. Труды международной научной конференции. Чтения памяти Б.Б. Лашкарбекова к 70-летию со дня рождения | place = Москва | publisher = Институт языкознания РАН | year = 2020 | pages = 323 | language = ru}}</ref> Ona takože byla koristana kratkotrajno za pisan‌je [[Beludžsky jezyk|beludžskogo jezyka]] v [[Turkmenistan|Turkmenskoj SSR]] v lětah 1989–1990, ale izključena v pozdnějših izdan‌jah. == Tungusske jezyky == V 1957 g. razrabotany byl kiriličny alfabet za [[sibinsky jezyk]], govorjeny v [[Kitaj]]u, ktory jednakože nikogda ne byl upotrěbjeny v praktikě. V tutom alfabetu bukva '''қ''' takože označala zvuk {{MFA|q}}. Kromě togo, na [[Vikidane|Vikidanyh]] nahodi se [[Oroksky jezyk|oroksky]] alfabet iz 2004 s bukvoju '''қ''', ale ne jest podany nijedin izvor.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Orok-alphabet-2004.png | title = Орокский алфавит | access-date = 2025-12-20}}</ref> == Abhazsky == V rukopisnoj monografiji [[Pjotr Uslar|Pjotra Uslara]] o [[Abhazsky jezyk|abhazskom jezyku]] iz 1862 g. nahodi se bukva, ktoru izgledaje menje-bolje kako {{Calibri|'''қ'''}} ili {{Calibri|'''к̧'''}}, ale v pečatnyh izdan‌jah od 1892 g. iměla izgled {{Calibri|'''[[ӄ]]'''}}.<ref>{{Cite book | url = http://apsnyteka.org/file/Machavariani_Abkhazskaya_azbuka.pdf | first1 = Д.И. | last1 = Гулиа | first2 = К.Д. | last2 = Мачавариани | title = Абхазская азбука. Главнѣйшія молитвы и заповѣди на абхазскомъ и церковно-славянскомъ языкахъ | place = Тифлисъ | year = 1892 | pages = 13}}</ref><ref name="Bgažba">{{Cite book | url = https://yadi.sk/i/-cFRKsreuz7r3 | last = Бгажба | first = Х.С. | title = Из истории письменности в Абхазии | place = Тбилиси | year = 1967 | publisher = Мецниереба | language = ru | pages = 67}}</ref> Forma '''қ''' vrnula se s ponovnym ustanovjen‌jem kirilice v abhazskom jezyku v 1954 g. V protivnosti k drugym jezykam, v abhazskom ona ne označaje uvularny eksplosiv, ale bezzvučny velarny eksplosiv s pridyhan‌jem {{MFA|kʰ}}. Za zvuk {{MFA|q}} abhazsky koristaje bukvu '''[[ҟ]]''' (do 1926 g. '''[[ԛ]]'''). V svojem alfabetu za [[Bzybsky dialekt abhazskogo jezyka|bzybskogo dialekta]] iz 1906 Semjon Mihajlovič Ašhacava kromě '''қ''' takože koristal bukvy '''{{Calibri|[[қ̇]]}}''' i '''{{Calibri|[[қ̊]]}}'''.<ref>{{Cite book | url = https://disk.yandex.ru/i/2WiKc6d_bmWAJ | first = Н.Я. | last = Марр | title = О языке и истории абхазов | place = Москва, Ленинград | publisher = Издательство Академии наук СССР | year = 1938 | chapter = О записывании абхазских текстов | pages = 150–164 | format = PDF | language = ru }}</ref> V [[Abhazsky alfabet|abhazskom alfabetu]] ona nahodi se ne samo kako samostojna bukva, ale takože v dvuznakah '''{{-|қь}}''' i (od 1996 g.) '''{{-|қә}}''', prědstavjajuče palatalizovany i labializovany ekvivalenty.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://www.omniglot.com/writing/abkhaz.htm | title = Abkhaz (аҧсуа бызшәа) | first = Simon | last = Ager | website = Omniglot.com | access-date = 2025-12-16 | language = en}}</ref> == Ostale jezyky == [[Fajl:Khanty script.gif | thumb | Alfabet hantyjskogo jezyka]] Bukva '''қ''' koristaje se v surgutskom dialektu [[Hantyjsky jezyk|hantyjskogo jezyka]], poněkogda takože v drugyh dialektah zaměsto bukvy '''[[ӄ]]'''. Nakonec, amerikanec Adam Din koristaje ju v svojem prědloženom pravopisu za [[ubyhsky jezyk]] za označen‌je zvuka {{MFA|q}}.<ref>{{Cite web | first = Simon | last = Ager | url = https://www.omniglot.com/writing/ubykh.htm | title = Ubykh (ТВaҳəбзa/Twaxəbza) | language = en | access-date = 2025-11-15}}</ref> == Transliteracija == V latinskoj transliteraciji suglasno sistemam [[ISO 9|ISO 9:1995]] i {{-|ГОСТ 7.79—2000}} bukvě '''Қ қ''' odpovědaje '''{{-|K̦ k̦}}''',<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://www.ifap.ru/library/gost/7792000.pdf | title = ГОСТ 7.79—2000 (ИСО 9—95): система стандартов по информации, библиотечному и издателькому делу. Правила транслитерации кирилловского писма латинским алфавитом | website = ifap.ru | access-date = 2025-12-10 | language = ru | page = 9}}</ref> V ostalyh sistemah za vse jezyky kromě abhazskogo ona transliteruje se obyčno kako '''{{-|Q q}}'''. V naučnyh sistemah za transliteraciju abhazskogo jezyka koristaje se '''{{-|K k}}'''. Jednakože v sistemě {{-|ALA-LC}} '''қ''', '''қь''' i '''қә''' transliterujut se kako '''{{-|k̇h}}''', '''{{-|k̇h’}}''' i '''{{-|k̇hẇ}}'''.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://www.loc.gov/catdir/cpso/romanization/nonslav.pdf | title = ALA-LC Romanization tables: Non-Slavic Languages (in Cyrillic Script) | access-date = 2025-12-13}}</ref> == Kodovan‌je == {| class=wikitable style="text-align:center;" ! colspan=2 | Kodovan‌je ! style=font-size:large | {{-|Қ}} ! style=font-size:large | {{-|қ}} |- ! colspan=2 | Nazva v Unikodu | {{-|CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER KA WITH DESCENDER}} | {{-|CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER KA WITH DESCENDER}} |- ! rowspan=2 | Unikod !! šestnadseterična sistema | {{-|U+049A}} | {{-|U+049B}} |- ! deseterična sistema | 1178 | 1179 |- ! rowspan=2 | {{-|HTML}} !! šestnadseterična sistema | <code>&amp;#x49a;</code> | <code>&amp;#x49b;</code> |- ! deseterična sistema | <code>&amp;#1178;</code> | <code>&amp;#1179;</code> |} == Iztočniky == {{Iztočniky}} == Vněšnje linky == * {{Cite web | url = https://codepoints.net/U+049A | title = U+049A Cyrillic Capital Letter Ka with Descender | website = codepoints.net | language = en}} * {{Cite web | url = https://codepoints.net/U+049B | title = U+049B Cyrillic Small Letter Ka with Descender | website = codepoints.net | language = en}} {{Kirilica}} {{Varianty bukvy К}} [[Kategorija:Kirilične bukvy]] [[Kategorija:Кириличне буквы]] {{INTERWIKI|Q14193723}} qrjvgskiuicnz3ou3w85p1kc9z60m77 Besěda:Persijsky jezyk 1 4749 28512 2026-07-10T13:39:21Z MwGamera 13 /* Prěimenovan‌je */ nova sekcija 28512 wikitext text/x-wiki == Prěimenovan‌je == Variant s -d- jest v vozhodnyh jezykah, no v slovniku imajemo jedino ''persijsky''. 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