Vikipedija isvwiki https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glavna_stranica MediaWiki 1.47.0-wmf.10 first-letter Media Special Besěda Koristnik Besěda s koristnikom Vikipedija Besěda Vikipedije Fajl Besěda o fajlu MediaWiki Besěda o MediaWiki Šablon Besěda o šablonu Pomoč Besěda o pomoči Kategorija Besěda o kategoriji TimedText TimedText talk Modul Besěda modula Event Event talk 10 157 28706 28508 2026-07-15T03:20:39Z MwGamera 13 nemaje «ě» v $linkTrail 28706 wikitext text/x-wiki <!-- Pri dodatku novogo zapisa jest potrěbno obnoviti čislo poslě «mod» --> {{#switch: {{#expr: {{CURRENTDAY}} mod 21 }} | #default | 21 = [[Fajl:Vynnychenko.jpg|180px|right|Vynnyčenko v 1910 g.]] {{Zvězdka}} '''[[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko|Volodymyr Kyrylovyč Vynnyčenko]]''' ([[Ukrajinsky jezyk|ukr.]] ''Володимир Кирилович Винниченко''; Veselyj Kut, Hersonska gubernija, [[Rosija|Rosijska imperija]], 16 (28) julija 1880 – Mužen, [[Francija]], 6 marca 1951) byl [[Ukrajina|ukrajinsky]] pisatelj, živopisec, političny aktivist, revolucionist i socialdemokratičny politik, ktory v lětah 1917–1919 igral veduču rolju v Ukrajinskoj narodnoj republikě. On byl prvy premier-ministr i vtory prezident nezavisnoj ukrajinskoj državy. Kromě togo, jest uvažany za jednogo iz glavnyh ukrajinskyh pisateljev 20. stolětja. On napisal kratke pověsti, romany i spektakly. V svojem tvorčestvu on pokazyvaje gluboku povezannost s ukrajinskym revolucijnym srědiščem, srěd obědnělyh ljudij, srěd ljudij iz rabotničjej klasy i srěd emigrantov iz Rosijskoj imperije živučih v Zapadnoj Evropě. Podle jegovyh literaturnyh tvorov osoblivo historično značenje imajut takože jegove memoary «Odrodženje nacije» ({{-|''Відродження нації''}}) napisane v 1920 g., v ktoryh opisyvaje sobytja lět 1917–1919, a takože jegove dnevniky iz lět 1911–1936. Někoje jegove pověsti sut ekranizovane. <div align=right>''[[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko|(Čitati&nbsp;dalje...)]]''</div> | 20 = {{{!}} width="190px" align=right style="margin-left:0.3em; margin-bottom:0.1em" {{!}} [[Fajl:Ruśkyj Kalendar dla tych, szczo ne znajut' ruśkoho pyśma (1910).jpg|190px|Ruśkyj Kalendar dla tych, szczo ne znajut' ruśkoho pyśma|link=[[Ukrajinska latinica]]]] {{!-}} {{!}} <small>Kalendar {{-|«Rusałka»}} ''za tyh, ktori ne znajut rutensko pismo''</small> {{!}}} {{Zvězdka}} '''[[Ukrajinska latinica]]''' ''({{-|українська латинка, українська латиниця}})'' jest variant [[Latinica|latinskogo alfabeta]], prisposobjeny za pisanje [[Ukrajinsky jezyk|ukrajinskogo jezyka]]. Osoblivo v Galiciji v 19. stolětju byli podimane proby za prěobračenje ukrajinskogo pravopisa v latinicu, medžu drugymi ukrajinskym naučnikom i svečennikom Josypom Lozynskym i češskym slavistom Josifom Jiračkom, ktore pričinili zavzete debaty i dvě tako nazyvajeme «Azbučne vojny». Podčas prvyh dvoh desetilětij [[Sovětsky Sojuz|Sovětskogo Sojuza]], v ktoryh vedena byla velika latinizacijna kampanija srěd menših jezykov [[Rosija|Rosije]], takože odbyvali se razgovory o vvedenju latinskogo pravopisa za ukrajinsky jezyk. V digitalnoj době pojavili se nove – seriozne i menje seriozne – prědloženja. Različaje se medžu ukrajinskoju latiniceju, prěznačenoju za samyh Ukrajincev, i [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka|latinizacijeju ukrajinskogo jezyka]], prěznačenoju za medžunarodnu upotrěbu ljudami, ktori ne znajut kirilicu. ''[[Ukrajinska latinica|(Čitati&nbsp;dalje...)]]'' | 19 = {{{!}} width="250px" align=right style="margin-left:0.3em; margin-bottom:0.1em" {{!}} [[Fajl:Map of Ukrainian dialects.png|250px|link=[[Ukrajinsky jezyk]]]] {{!-}} {{!}} <div class="center"><small>''Karta ukrajinskyh narěčij''</small></div> {{!}}} {{Zvězdka}} '''[[Ukrajinsky jezyk]]''' ({{-|''Українська мова''}}) jest narodny jezyk [[Ukrajinci|Ukrajincev]] i državny jezyk [[Ukrajina|Ukrajiny]]. Zajedno s [[Russky jezyk|russkym]], [[Bělorussky jezyk|bělorusskym]] i [[Rusinsky jezyk|rusinskym]] prinaleži [[Vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky|vozhodnoslovjanskym jezykam]], ktore sut čest slovjanskoj větvy [[Indoevropejske jezyky|indoevropejskoj jezyčnoj rodiny]]. Ukrajinsky imaje medžunarodne jezyčne kody <tt>'''{{-|uk}}'''</tt> ({{-|[[ISO 639-1]]}}) i <tt>'''{{-|ukr}}'''</tt> ({{-|[[ISO 639-2]]}} i {{-|[[ISO 639-3]]}}). Ukrajinsky jest rodny jezyk ponad 27 milionov ljudij, iz ktoryh 25 milionov živut v Ukrajině. Kromě togo, ok. 5,8 milionov ljudij imajut ukrajinsky kako drugy jezyk. Boljšest nositeljev ukrajinskogo nahodi se v Ukrajině. Suglasno prěpisu naseljenja 2001 g. ukrajinsky jest rodny jezyk za 67,87&nbsp;% (prěvažno v sěverozapadnoj česti kraja), a russky za 29,74&nbsp;% gradžanov Ukrajiny (prěvažno v jugovozhodnoj česti). Kogda Ukrajina v 1991 g. stala nezavisna, ukrajinsky byl uznany jedinym služebnym jezykom državy. Jednakože v praktikě russky postojanno zajmaje važno město v vsakodnevnom žitju česti Ukrajiny. Pravdopodobno skoro 90 % ukrajinskogo naseljenja vladaje oboma jezykami na priličnom uravnju. Mimohodom, u česti rosijskogo naseljenja ješče prěvažaje ubědženje, že ukrajinsky ne jest jezyk, ale russko narěčje. V poslědstvu jezyčno dělo jest silno obrěmenjeno politikoju. ''[[Ukrajinsky jezyk|(Čitati&nbsp;dalje...)]]'' | 18 = [[Fajl:Stamp of Ukraine s1837 – 1847.jpg | 240px | right | Ukrajinske poštne marky (2020)]] {{Zvězdka}} '''[[Ukrajinska azbuka]]''' ({{-|абетка, збука, алфавіт}} ili {{-|альфабет}}) jest oficialno pismo koristajemo za pisanje [[Ukrajinsky jezyk|ukrajinskogo jezyka]], služebnogo jezyka [[Ukrajina|Ukrajiny]]. Ona jest jedna iz različnyh narodnyh variantov [[Kirilica|Kirilice]] i proizhodi od staroslovjanskoj kirilice, stvorjenoj v 9. stolětju za prvy kniževny [[Slovjanske jezyky|slovjansky]] jezyk, [[Starocrkovnoslovjansky jezyk|starocrkovnoslovjansky]]. Od 10. stolětja kirilica byla koristana v [[Kyjevska Rus|Kyjevskoj Rusi]] za pisanje [[starovozhodnoslovjansky jezyk|starovozhodnoslovjanskogo jezyka]], iz ktorogo pozdněje razvili se [[Russky jezyk|russky]], [[Bělorussky jezyk|bělorussky]], [[Ukrajinsky jezyk|ukrajinsky]] i [[Rusinsky jezyk|rusinsky]] jezyky i jih azbuky. Prěd 20. stolětju ukrajinsky jezyk ješče ne iměl standardny pravopis: v lětah od 1798 do 1905 byli prědložene skoro 50 pravopisne sistemy. Toliko v 1928 došlo k prvomu objedinjenomu ukrajinskomu pravopisu (''skrypnykivka''). Sučasna ukrajinska azbuka imaje vsego 33 bukvy: 21 suglasky, 1 polusamoglasku, 10 samoglasky i 1 mekky znak. Poněkogda takože vključaje se apostrof ('''’'''), ktory imaje fonetično značenje, ale ačekoli pisanje jego jest obvezno, on ne uvažaje se bukvoju i ne jest vključeny v azbuku – v protivnosti k russkomu tvrdomu znaku '''{{-|ъ}}''', ktory izpolnjaje podobnu funkciju. ''[[Ukrajinska azbuka|(Čitati&nbsp;dalje...)]]'' | 17 = {{{!}} width="200px" align=right style="margin-left:0.3em; margin-bottom:0.1em" {{!}} [[Fajl:The Sun by the Atmospheric Imaging Assembly of NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory - 20100819.jpg|200px|link=[[Solnce]]]] {{!-}} {{!}} <small>''Fotografija Solnca v uslovnyh kolorah, izobražajučih jego v ultrafioletovom světlu''</small> {{!}}} {{Zvězdka}} '''[[Solnce]]''' jest [[zvězda]] v centru Solnečnoj sistemy. Ono jest běloju zvězdoju, ktora davaje različne tipy energije, kako sut infračrvena energija (teplo), světlo, ultrafioletovo světlo i radiovolny. Solnce izdavaje potok čestic, ktory dosegaje Zemje kako "solnečny větr". Iztočnikom vsej toj energije jest jedrna fuzija (sinteza). Jedrna fuzija jest reakcija v zvězdě, ktora obračaje [[vodorod]] v helij i iztvorjaje ogromnu kolikost energije. Solnce jest skoro doskonaloju kuljeju gorečej plazmy. Solnce sdavaje se žoltym za ljudij na [[Zemja|Zemje]], ale ono jest napravdu bělo. Tak se stane zatože vozduh vokrug Zemji razsějivaje solnečno světlo. Sinja i zelena barva v solnečnom světlu razprostirajut se vyše, než črvena i žolta barvy. Vslěd tomu světlo, ktoro dosegaje naših očij jest glavno črveno i žolto, i zato Solnce sdavaje se žoltym. Ako byhmo byli v kosmosu, kde ne jest vozduh na razsějivanje světla, my byhmo viděli, že Solnce napravdu jest bělo. Solnce jest podobnoju zvězdoju do mnogyh ostalyh zvězd v našej [[Galaktika|galaktikě]] Mlěčny put. Solnce odnosi se k tipu zvězd {{-|G2V}}, nazyvanyh takože {{-|G-type main-sequence star}} ili žolty karlik, na osnově jih spektralnoj klasy. ''[[Solnce|(Čitati&nbsp;dalje...)]]'' | 16 = [[Fajl:Pericles Pio-Clementino Inv269 n2.jpg|140px|right|Perikl]] {{Zvězdka}} '''Perikl''' (Περικλῆς) byl [[Atiny|atinsky]] državnik, jedin iz otcev-osnovateljev atinskoj demokracije, znamenity govoritelj i vojenny načelnik. Perikl urodil se v Atinah v rodině aristokratov. Načel aktivnu političnu dějateljnost, počevši rukovoditi političnoju partijeju Alkmeonidov. Bez obzira na svoje aristokratično proizhodženje, on izstupal kako poslědovatelj demokracije. Poslě izgnanja Tukidida v 444 Perikl de-fakto stal vodžem Atin. Epoha vlady Perikla takože byla epohoju najvysšego razcvěta Atin (Periklov věk). V 431. godu prěd rodženjem Hristosa počela se [[Peloponesska vojna]]. V 429 godu umrl. Ime ''Perikl'', ktoro znači ''okruženy slavoju'', bylo rědkym v Atinah i ne spominaje se u bližnyh prědkov i srodnikov Perikla. Historik Igor Jevgenjevič Surikov prědpolagaje, že ime Perikla proizhodi od imeni Periklimen. Ovako, Ksantip i Agarista nazyvali syna po imeni legendarnogo Periklimena. ''[[Perikl|(Čitati&nbsp;dalje...)]]'' | 15 = {{{!}} width="250px" align=right style="margin-left:0.3em; margin-bottom:0.1em" {{!}} [[Fajl:VictoryOLord.JPG|245px|link=[[Mojsej]]]] {{!-}} {{!}} <small>''Obraz «Poběda, o, Bože!» (1871) Džona Evereta Mile izobražaje Mojseja s paloju v rukah.''</small> {{!}}} {{Zvězdka}} '''[[Mojsej]]''' je byl hebrejskym prorokom, učiteljem i liderom podolg [[Abrahamičske religije|abrahamičskoj]] tradicije. On slyne samym važnym prorokom v [[judaizm|judaizmě]] i samaritanizmě, a takož jednym iz samyh važnyh prorokov v [[Hristijanstvo|hristijanstvě]], [[islam|islamě]], věrě Bahaji i drugyh abrahamičskyh religijah. Podolg Biblije i Koranu, Mojsej je byl vodžem izraeljcev i zakonodateljem, ktoromu pripisyvaje se proročsko stvorjenje Tory (prvyh peti knig Biblije). Podolg 2. knigě Mojseja, Mojsej urodil se v tamtoj čas, kogda jego narod, izraeljci, porabovano menšinstvo, povyšal svoju čislnost, i v rezultatu egiptsky faraon je ostrěgal se, že oni mogut sjediniti se s vragami Egipta. Hebrejska mati Mojseja, Johebeda, tajno je skryla jego, kogda faraon prikazal ubivati vsih novonarodženyh hebrejskyh mladčikov, da by smenšiti čislnost izraeljcev. Prěz dočeru faraona děte je bylo adoptovano kak neznajemo děte iz Nila i rastlo v kraljevskoj rodině. Poslě ubijstva egiptskogo rabovlastnika, izbivavšego hebreja, Mojsej uběgl prěz Črveno morje v Madian, kde on je sustrětl se s angelom Božjim, ktory govoril s njim iz gorečego kusta na gorě Horeb, ktoru on mněl Goroju Božjeju. Bog odpravil Mojseja nazad v Egipt, da by požedati osvobodženje izraeljcev iz rabstva. Poslě Deseti kar Mojsej vozglavil Izhod iz Egipta prěz Črveno morje, poslě čego oni stanuli u gory Sinaj, kde Mojsej polučil Deset zapovědij. Poslě 40 godov putovanja v pustynje Mojsej umrěl na gorě Nebo v vozrastu 120 godov, v ograničenjah vidimosti Zemje Oběčivanoj. ''[[Mojsej|(Čitati&nbsp;dalje...)]]'' | 14 = [[Fajl:MaxStirner2.svg|200px|right|Maks Štirner]] {{Zvězdka}} '''Maks Štirner''' ([[Němečsky jezyk|něm.]] ''{{-|Max Stirner}}''), ime pri rodženju '''Johann Kaspar Šmidt''' (něm. {{-|''Johann Caspar Schmidt''}}; 25 oktobra 1806, Bajrojt, [[Němcija]] - 25 junija 1856, Berlin, Němcija) byl němečsky [[Filozofija|filozof]]. Štirner često vidi se kako jedin iz prědteč nihilizma, egzistencializma, psihoanalitičnoj teorije, postmodernizma i individualističnogo anarhizma. Glavna tvorba Štirnera, ''Jedinstveny i Jego Vlastničstvo'', byla vprvo opublikovana v 1844 v Lejpcigu i odtogda pojavila se vo množstvah izdanij i prěkladov. Prězvišče "Štirner" od němečkogo {{-|''Stirn''}} – "čelo", Johann Kaspar Šmidt dobyl od prijateljev za svoje vysoko čelo. Poslědstveno tak jego sut zvali v krugu drugov i prijateljev, a tako že on počel podpisyvati svoje pečetne tvorby. Oskudne fakty ob životu Maksa Štirnera je sobral Džon Henri Makkej i opublikoval v ''{{-|Max Stirner. Sein Leben und sein Werk}}'', tretje izdanje, Berlin, 1914. ''[[Maks Štirner|(Čitati&nbsp;dalje...)]]'' | 13 = [[Fajl:Levko Revutsky.jpg|200px|right|Levko Revutskyj]] {{Zvězdka}} '''[[Levko Revuckyj|Lev (Levko) Mykolajovyč Revuckyj]]''' ([[Ukrajinsky jezyk|''ukr.'']] Лев (Левко) Миколайович Ревуцький) (Iržavec, Poltavska gubernija, [[Rosija|Rosijska imperija]], 8 (20) fevruara 1889 g. – [[Kyjev|Kyjiv]], [[Ukrajina|USSR]], [[Sovětsky Sojuz]], 30 marca 1977 g.) byl [[Ukrajina|ukrajinsky]] kompozitor, pedagog i člen Narodnoj akademije nauk Ukrajiny v časah [[Sovětsky Sojuz|Sovětskogo Sojuza]]. Zajedno s [[Borys Ljatošynskyj|Borysom Ljatošynskym]] jest uvažany jednym iz glavnym i najvlivnějših ukrajinskyh kompozitorov 20. stolětja. V jegovyh tvorah ukrajinske teksty i motivy igrajut važnu rolju. Revuckyj kreativnym sposobom prodolžal i razširil metody ukrajinskyh kompozitorov kako [[Mykola Lysenko]] i [[Mykola Leontovyč]], ktore harakterizujut se slivanjem folklornyh elementov s harmoničnym mysljenjem konca 19. stolětja. Jegov stilj iztvoril se na osnově glubinnogo znanja narodnyh tem i melodij, ktore prěobražal v tradicijah profesionalnoj muziky i vozbogačal vlastnymi stilističnymi nahodkami. Revuckyno tvorčestvo harakterizuje se lirikoju, bogatostju emocij i sodržanymi, ekspresivnymi melodijami, svezanymi s složenymi harmonijami. On poslužival se velikymi muzičnymi formami, napr. v fortepiannoj sonatě, dvoh fortepiannyh koncertov, dvoh simfonij i kantatě «Hustyna», ale takože napisal menše tvory, napr. preludije za fortepiano, tvory za skripku ili violončelo s fortepianom i veče neželi 120 prětvorok narodnyh pěsnij napr. za glas i fortepiano, v ktoryh najmě fortepianne partije sut interesne. Jegove simfonične tvory, osoblivo Fortepianny koncert nr. 2 i Simfonija nr. 2, pričisljajut se k majstrovskym dělam ukrajinskoj klasičnoj muziky. ''[[Levko Revuckyj|(Čitati&nbsp;dalje...)]]'' | 12 = {{{!}} width="200px" align=right style="margin-left:0.3em; margin-bottom:0.1em;" {{!}} [[Fajl:Вулиці_Львова_(транслітерація).jpg|195px]] {{!-}} {{!}} <small>''Tabličky s nazvami ulic v Ljvovu: kromě [[Kirilica|kirilice]] koristaje se takože latinizacija, po državnom standardu.''</small> {{!}}} {{Zvězdka}} '''Latinizacija''' (poněkogda takože '''romanizacija''') znači prědstavjenje teksta napisanogo nelatinskym pismom s pomočju [[Latinica|latinskogo alfabeta]]. [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] imaje vlastnu [[Ukrajinska azbuka|kiriličsku azbuku]], ktora v někojih obzirah odličaje se od [[Russky jezyk|russkoj]]. Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka imaje kako glavny cělj, že čitatelji, ktori ne znajut [[Kirilica|kirilicu]], budut poznati, kako izgovarjajut se ukrajinske slova, imena i nazvy. Ona takože može služiti za pisanje ukrajinskogo teksta na kompjuterah, ktore ne umějut pokazyvati kirilicu, i za pisanje ljudami neosvojenymi s razkladom ukrajinskoj klaviatury. Jest razlika medžu ''[[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka|latinizacijeju ukrajinskogo jezyka]]'' i ''[[Ukrajinska latinica|ukrajinskoju latiniceju]]''. Latinizacija v principu jest prěznačeny za ljudi, ktori ne znajut ukrajinsky ili vo vsakom slučaju ne znajut ukrajinsku azbuku, a ukrajinska latinica jest prědloženje zaměnjenja kiriličskogo pravopisa latinskym, najčestěje osnovanym na pravopisah [[Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky|zapadnoslovjanskyh jezykov]]. Sut dvě glavne metody latinizacije: transliteracija (prědstavjenje pisanogo teksta, često ignorujuči izgovor) i transkripcija (prědstavjenje govorjenogo teksta). V praktikě mnoge sistemy vključajut elementy oboh metod. Mimohodom, vo vsakodnevnoj upotrěbě te dva terminy često sut zaměšane. ''[[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka|(Čitati&nbsp;dalje...)]]'' | 11 = {{{!}} width="160px" align=right style="margin-left:0.5em; margin-bottom:0.5em;" {{!}} [[Fajl:A plus bi.svg|155px]] {{!-}} {{!}} <small>''Kompleksno čislo može byti prědstavjenym vizualno tako.''</small> {{!}}} {{Zvězdka}} '''[[Kompleksno čislo|Kompleksnym čislom]]''' v [[Matematika|matematikě]] nazyvaje se čislo, koje se zapisyvaje v formě <math>a+bi</math>, kde čislo <math>a</math> rěče se ''pravdiva čest'', čislo <math>b</math> rěče se ''izmysljeny koeficijent'', a <math>i</math> nazyvaje se ''izmysljenoju jediniceju''. Ktorokoli pravdivo čislo, vozvyšeno v kvadrat, da neodrěčny rezultat. Slědovateljno, ravnjenje<br> <math>x^2=-1</math>, abo <math>x^2+1=0</math><br> ne imaje pravdivyh rěšenij. Jednakže, ono ima dva izmysljene rěšenja, <math>\pm i</math>. Izmysljena jedinica <math>i</math> časom oprěděljaje se kako kvadratny korenj iz minus jedinice. Kompleksne čisla, pravdiva čest ktoryh jest nulova, nazyvajut se ''izmysljenymi čislami''. Pravdive čisla sut kompleksne čisla, izmysljena čest ktoryh jest nulova. Slědovateljno, množina pravdivyh čisel jest vlastna podmnožina kompleksnyh čisl. Čislo <math>0</math> (nula) jest jedino čislo, iže jest v tom samom vrěmenu pravdivo i kompleksno (i izmysljeno). ''[[Kompleksno čislo|(Čitati&nbsp;dalje...)]]'' | 10 = [[Fajl:Я. Кругер. Партрэт Я. Купалы.jpg|220px|right|Јанка Купалы (портрет Ј. Кругера)]] {{Zvězdka}} '''[[Јанка Купала]]''', правдиво име јест '''Иван (Јан) Доминикович Луцевич''' (25 јунија (чрвња) / 7 јулија (липња) 1882), фолварк Вјазынка, нынє Младєчскы рајон, Минска област — 28 јунија (чрвња) 1942, [[Москва]]. Јест [[бєлорус]]скы поет, драматург, публицист, прєводитељ, једин из основатељев новој бєлорусској литературы и литературного језыка. Народны поет Бєлоруси (1925). Академик Националној академије наук Бєлоруси (1928), Националној академије наук Украјины (1929). Изобразил характер и свєторазумєнје бєлорусского народа, изтворил јарке образы сељанского быта и хисторичној минулости. Жанрово-стилистичне формы, кторе сут вплочене јим, стали класичными основами бєлорусској поезије, епоса, драматургије и публицистикы. Јавјаје се творитељем патриотичного воззванја «Жыве Беларусь!». В поздных творбах доминује тема возславјенја совєтској реалности. [[Јанка Купала|''(Читати&nbsp;даље...)'']] | 9 = [[Fajl:Bust Alcibiades Musei Capitolini MC1160.jpg|120px|right|Alkibiad]] {{Zvězdka}} '''[[Alkibiad]]''' (Ἀλκιβιάδης) byl davnogrečsky [[Atiny|atinsky]] državnik, govoritelj i vojenny načelnik epohy [[Peloponesska vojna|Peloponesskoj vojny]]. Urodil se v aristokratičnoj rodině, a dorastl v domu [[Perikl]]a, glavnika atinskogo polisa. Svoju aktivnu političnu dějateljnost počel, izstupivši protivnikom Nikijeva mira i obnovjenja vojennyh dějanij protiv Spartě. Stavši strategom, on naglo izměnil vněšnju politiku Atin. V 418 godu do n.e. on sozdal novu antispartansku koaliciju, ktora razpadla se poslě poražky v bitvě pri Mantinejě. Alkibiad byl iniciatorom Sicilijskoj ekspedicije, ktora byla takože napravjena protiv Spartě i jej sojuznikov. Odpravjeny v 415 godu do n.e. s flotoju na Siciliju, on byl odzvan v Atiny dlja težby. Ostrěgavši se za svoje žitje, Alkibiad prěšel na stranu Sparty. V otčině on byl osudženy. Alkibiad dal spartancam několiko cěnnyh sovětov, ktore Sparta izkoristala i ktore trohu ne privedli k polnoj poražkě Atin v vojně. Alkibad nabyl veliky avtoritet v Spartě, i něktore zavistniki nakazali jego ubiti. Alkibiad uběgl k persijskomu satrapu Tissafernu, i poslě s jego pomočju pribyl na Samos, kde bazovala se atinska flota. Morjaki izbrali jego strategom. S 411 goda do n.e. počinaje se serija poběd Alkibiada, v rezultatu ktoroj prěvaga v Peloponesskoj vojně byla na straně Atin. Vrativši se v otčinu v 407 godu do n.e., on byl izbrany strategom-avtokratorom. Poslě poražky atinskoj floty v času jego odsutnosti on byl prinudženy odpraviti se v izgnanje. V 404 godu do n.e., poslě pobědy Sparty v Peloponesskoj vojně, on byl ubity po prikazu [[Kritij]]a i Lisandra, ktori mněli jego kako opasnogo političnogo supernika. [[Alkibiad|''(Čitati dalje...)'']] | 8 = [[Fajl:Phase change - isv.png|220 px|right|Glavne fazove transformacije, imajuči se v prirodě]] {{Zvězdka}} Sut četyri glavne '''[[Agregatno stanje|agregatne stanja]]''' materije (fazy) vo [[Vsesvět]]u: tvrdo tělo, tekutina, gaz i plazma. Agregatno stanje vlivaje na svojstva substancije. Priměrami takyh svojstv budut gustota, teglivost (kak dobro ona teče), kovnost (kak legko jest ju sgybati) ili provodnost. Prěměny medžu agregatnymi stanjami sut često obratime. V ''tvrdom stanju'' pozicije atomov sut zakrěpjene odnosno jedna drugoj podčas dolgogo vrěmene. Tak to jest blagodare koheziji ili "trěnju" medžu molekulami. V ''tekutině'' molekuly pritegajut se jedna ko drugoj dost silno, da by medžu njimi byl kontakt, ale ne dost silno, da by konkretna struktura trimala se. Molekuly mogut bezprěryvno dvigati se odnosno sebe. V ''gazu'' hemične svezy ne sut dost silne da by zadržali atomy vměstu, i zato gaz jest sbirkoju nezavisnyh, nesvezanyh molekul, ktore vzajemodějstvujut glavno črěz natolkanje se. ''Plazmy'' sut gazy, ktore imajut toliko energije, že elektrony atomov ne mogut ostavati se na orbitah vokrug atomnyh jedr. Atomne iony i elektrony měšajut se vkupě kako goreča supa. Plazma jest najrazprostranjenym stanjem materije vo Vsesvětu. I [[Zvězda|zvězdy]], i medžuzvězdna srěda sut glavno stvorjene iz plazmy. ''[[Agregatno stanje|(Čitati članok...)]]'' | 7 = {{{!}} width="150px" align=right {{!}} [[Fajl:Т-55 (Верхняя Пышма).jpg|270px|link=Т-55]] {{!-}} {{!}} <small><center>Tank '''[[T-55]]''' v Vrhnej Pyšmě, Rosija</center></small> {{!}}} {{Zvězdka}} '''[[T-55]]''' jest [[Sovětsky sojuz|sovětsky]] srědnji tank. T-55 jest bazovany na tanku T-54. Tank proizvodili od 1958 do 1979 roka. T-55 jest prvy serijny tank v světu, ktory byl orudovany avtomatičnoju sistemoju protivojedrnoj zaščity (PAZ) - jedna od prvyh bojevyh mašin novoj generacije, ktore mogut bojevati v uslovjah upotrěbjenja jedrnogo oružja. Stal prvym tankom v vojskah, imajučim kompleks aktivnoj zaščity (KAZ «Drozd»). T-55 i jego modifikacija T-55a byli široko eksportujemymi i tutčas sut v oruženju mnogyh držav světa. ''[[Т-55|Čitati članok]]'' | 6 = {{{!}} width="270px" align=right {{!}} [[Fajl:Shtokavian subdialects1988 incl Slovenia.png|270px|link=Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]] {{!-}} {{!}} <small><center>''Izgovory '''[[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk|srbskohrvatskogo jezyka]]''' v 20. stolětju''</center></small> {{!}}} {{Zvězdka}} '''[[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk|Srboskohrvatsky jezyk]]''', takože ''hrvatskosrbsky'' i ''srbohrvatsky'', jest [[Južnoslovjanske jezyky|južnoslovjansky jezyk]], ktory jest osnovny jezyk v [[Bosnija i Hercegovina|Bosniji i Hercegovině]], [[Črna Gora|Črnoj Gorě]], [[Hrvatija|Hrvatiji]] i [[Srbija|Srbiji]]. Srbskohrvatsky jest mnogocentričny jezyk s 4 vzajemno razumlivymi kniževnymi standardami: [[Srbsky jezyk|srbsky]], [[Hrvatsky jezyk|hrvatsky]], [[Bosnijsky jezyk|bosnijsky]] i [[Črnogorsky jezyk|črnogorsky]]. Početkom jezyčnoj standardizacije srbskohrvatskogo byla srědina 19. stolětja, kogdy hrvatski i srbski pisatelji i filologi podpisali Viensky kniževny dogovor, do stvorjeńja jednoj državy Jugoslavija. S samogo početka jestvovali razne srbsky i hrvatsky standardy, jednako obadva byli osnovane na jednom narěčju štokavskogo, iztočnohercegovinskom narěčju. Bosnijsky i črnogorsky standardy srbskohrvatskogo počeli jestvovati poslě razpada Jugoslavije. Srbskohrvatsky jezyk mogut pisati kako [[Latinica|latiniceju]], tako i [[Kirilica|kiriliceju]], ktore jesut ravnolike 1:1. Srbskohrvatsku kirilicu stvoril v 1814 roku srbsky jezykoznavec Vuk Karadžić. Srbskohrvatsku latinicu stvoril hrvatsky jezykoznavec Ljudevit Gaj v 1830. godah na osnově češskogo alfabeta. ''[[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk|Čitati članok]]'' | 5 = {{{!}} width="140px" align=right {{!}} [[Fajl:Emilia Plater.PNG|150px|link=Emilija Pljater]] {{!-}} {{!}} <small>''[[Emilija Pljater]], bezimenna gravirovka 19. stoletja''</small> {{!}}} {{Zvězdka}} '''[[Emilija Pljater]]''' byla šljahtica i učestnica Novembrskogo povstanja. Dorasla v pomestje Liksna Dinaburgskogo ujezda Vitebskoj gubernije. Podčas Novembrskogo povstanja vela malu grupu povstancev, učestovala v nekolikih bitvah i byla avansovana do reda kapitanki v revolucijnoj armiji. V konce povstanja ona zabolěla i prěstavila se v pomestju poljskogo šljahtiča. Ona jest narodna heroina [[Bělorus]]i, [[Litva|Litvy]] i [[Poljska|Poljsky]], bylyh čestej Reči Pospolitoj. <div align=right>''[[Emilija Pljater|Čitati članok...]]''</div> | 4 = {{{!}} width="150px" align=right {{!}} [[Fajl:Flag of Europe.svg|150px|link=Evropejsky sojuz]] {{!-}} {{!}} <small>Horugva '''[[Evropejsky sojuz|Evropejskogo sojuza]]''', znajema kako horugva Evropy</small> {{!}}} {{Zvězdka}} '''[[Evropejsky sojuz]]''' ili ''Evropejska unija'' jest političny i ekonomičny sojuz 27 držav, ktore glavno nahodet se v [[Evropa|Evropě]]. Jej državy-členy imajut spolnu površinu v 4,233,255.3 km² i ocěnočno naseljeńje v 447 milionov. Državy ES izrabotali obči vnutrny trg črěz ustroj zakonov po redu věčij, ktore dějut vo vsih členah. V česti ES, ktoru zovut [[Šengensky prostor]], ne jest pasportnyh kontrol dlja putovanij. Valutny sojuz medžu državami ES jestvuje s 1999 roka i skladaje se iz 19 držav, ktore koristajut jednu valutu — [[evro]]. ES i evropejsko gradžanstvo byli počete, kogda Maastrihtsky dogovor pristupil do sily v 1993 roku. ES proizhodi od Evropejskoj občiny vuglja i stalji, ktora byla osnovana Parižskym dogovorom 1951 roka, i Evropejskoj ekonomičnoj občiny, ktora byla osnovana Rimskym dogovorom 1957 roka. Prvonačelnymi členami «Evropejskyh občin» stali 6 držav: [[Belgija]], [[Francija]], [[Italija]], [[Luksemburg]], [[Niderlandy]] i Zapadna Němcija. «Občiny» i jih nastupniky izrasli v razměru črěz pristupjeńje novyh členov i v silě črěz dodavańje oblastij politiky v svoje voditeljstvo. [[Objedinjeno kraljevstvo]] stalo prvoju državoju, ktora vyšla iz sostava ES 31 januara 2020 roka. <div align=right>''[[Evropejsky sojuz|(Čitati članok...)]]''</div> | 3 = {{{!}} width="200px" align=right style="margin-left:0.3em;" {{!}} [[Fajl:Maulwurfminiatur grinsend - Moltwerper smiling.jpg|180px|link=Krtek]] {{!-}} {{!}} <small><center>''Mala igračka '''[[Krtek]]a'''''</center></small> {{!}}} {{Zvězdka}} '''[[Krtek|«Krtek»]]''' («Krot») jest [[Čehija|češsky]] rysovany serial hudožnika Zdeněka Milera. Glavny heroj seriala jest rysovany krot Krtek, ktory često ne osiljaje člověčji svět i izkušaje različne slučaje so svojimi drugami-životinami. Prvy kratky film «Krteka» byl izpuščeny v 1957 roku, poslědnji — v 2002 roku. Poslě smrti Milera jego vnučka Karolina Milerova dopustila stvorjeńje novogo kitajskočešskogo seriala s Krtekom, «Krtek i Panda». <div align=right>''[[Krtek|(Čitati članok...)]]''</div> | 2 = {{{!}} width="180px" align=right style="margin-left:0.3em;" {{!}} [[Fajl:Russkiy iazyk Azbuka Burtsov.svg|180px|link=Русскы језык]] {{!-}} {{!}} <small><center>Napis '''[[Русскы језык|«russky jezyk»]]''' iz knigy-azbuky Burcova, 1637 rok.</center></small> {{!}}} {{Zvězdka}} '''[[Русскы језык|Russky jezyk]]''' jest [[Slovjanske jezyky|slovjansky jezyk]], čest [[Vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky|iztočnoslovjanskoj]] větvy slovjanskyh jezykov [[Indoevropejske jezyky|indoevropejskoj jezykovoj rodiny]], narodny jezyk rusov. Jest jedin iz najvyše koristanyh jezykov světa: 6. po občemu čislu govoriteljev i 8. po čislu govoriteljev, ktori vladajut jim ako rodnym. Russky jest takože najvyše koristany [[Slovjanske jezyky|slovjansky jezyk]] i najvyše koristany jezyk [[Evropa|Evropy]] ako geografično, tako i po čislu govoriteljev jezyka kako rodnogo. Russky jezyk jest državny jezyk [[Rosija|Rosije]], jedin iz državnyh jezykov [[Bělorus]]i, jedin iz služebnyh jezykov [[Kazahstan]]a i Kyrgyzstana. Jest glavny jezyk medžunarodnogo dorazuměvanja v centralnoj Evraziji, v iztočnoj Evropě i v državah bylogo [[Sovětsky sojuz|Sovětskogo sojuza]], jedin iz 6 rabotnyh jezykov Organizacije sjedinjenyh narodov, Unesko i reda inyh medžunarodnyh organizacij. Čislo govoriteljev russkogo jezyka v Rosiji jest 137.5 milionov ljudij, vsěgo v světu na russkom govoret okolo 260 milionov ljudij. ''[[Русскы језык|Čitati članok]]'' | 1 = {{{!}} width="180px" align=right style="margin-left:0.3em;" {{!}} [[Fajl:Wojtek the bear.jpg|180px|link=Vojtek (medvěd)]] {{!-}} {{!}} <small><center>[[Vojtek (medvěd)|Vojtek]] (napravo) s poljskym vojinom v 1943 roku</center></small> {{!}}} {{Zvězdka}} '''[[Vojtek (medvěd)|Vojtek]]''' byl sirijsky [[Medvěd koričnevy|koričnevy medvěd]], ktory byl kupjeny kako medvědže na želězničnoj stanciji v Hamadanu ([[Iran]]) vojinami poljskogo Drugogo korpusa, ktori byli evakuovani iz [[Sovětsky Sojuz|Sovětskogo sojuza]]. Da by dostati jemu jedu i transport, jego pozdněje oficialjno verbovali kako vojina s redom rednika, i potom naprědovali do korporala. On suprovadžal boljšest poljskogo Drugogo korpusa do Italije i služil v 22. kompaniji artilerijskoj dostavky. Poslě bitvy v Monte-Kasinu v 1944 roku, Vojtek pomagal prěměščati krabky i amuniciju i stal znamenitostju, posěčajuči generalov i državnikov sojuznikov. Poslě vojny, on byl izvoljneny iz poljskogo vojska i žil ostatok žitja v Edinburgskom zoologičnom parku v Škotskě. <div align=right>''[[Vojtek (medvěd)|(Čitati članok...)]]''</div> }}<noinclude> {{Dokumentacija | tekst = «Dobry članok» na glavnoj stranicě. Pokazyvaje novy članok iz čisla dostupnyh každy denj zaležno od čisla člankov. Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB). 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{{#if:{{{area_water_km2|}}}{{{area_water_ha|}}}{{{area_water_sq_mi|}}}{{{area_water_acre|}}}{{{FR_metropole|}}}{{{area_label2|}}}{{{area_label3|}}}{{{percent_water|}}}{{{stat_area1|}}}{{{stat_area2|}}}{{{stat_area3|}}}{{{stat_area4|}}}{{{stat_area5|}}}|mergedrow|mergedbottomrow}} | label62 = <div class="ib-country-fake-li">•&nbsp;Land</div> | data62 = {{#if:{{{area_land_km2|}}}{{{area_land_ha|}}}{{{area_land_sq_mi|}}}{{{area_land_acre|}}} |{{#if:{{{area_land_km2|}}}{{{area_land_sq_mi|}}} |{{convinfobox|{{{area_land_km2|}}}|km2|{{{area_land_sq_mi|}}}|sqmi|abbr=on}} |{{#if:{{{area_land_ha|}}}{{{area_land_acre|}}} |{{convinfobox|{{{area_land_ha|}}}|ha|{{{area_land_acre|}}}|acre|abbr=on}} }} }}{{{area_land_footnote|}}} }} | rowclass63 = {{#if:{{{FR_metropole|}}}{{{area_label2|}}}{{{area_label3|}}}{{{percent_water|}}}{{{stat_area1|}}}{{{stat_area2|}}}{{{stat_area3|}}}{{{stat_area4|}}}{{{stat_area5|}}}|mergedrow|mergedbottomrow}} | label63 = <div class="ib-country-fake-li">•&nbsp;Water</div> | data63 = {{#if:{{{area_water_km2|}}}{{{area_water_ha|}}}{{{area_water_sq_mi|}}}{{{area_water_acre|}}} |{{#if:{{{area_water_km2|}}}{{{area_water_sq_mi|}}} |{{convinfobox|{{{area_water_km2|}}}|km2|{{{area_water_sq_mi|}}}|sqmi|abbr=on}} |{{#if:{{{area_water_ha|}}}{{{area_water_acre|}}} |{{convinfobox|{{{area_water_ha|}}}|ha|{{{area_water_acre|}}}|acre|abbr=on}} }} }}{{{area_water_footnote|}}} }} | rowclass64 = {{#if:{{{FR_metropole|}}}{{{area_label2|}}}{{{area_label3|}}}{{{stat_area1|}}}{{{stat_area2|}}}{{{stat_area3|}}}{{{stat_area4|}}}{{{stat_area5|}}}|mergedrow|mergedbottomrow}} | label64 = <div class="ib-country-fake-li">•&nbsp;Water&nbsp;(%)</div> | data64 = {{{percent_water|}}} | rowclass65 = {{#if:{{{FR_metropole|}}}{{{area_label3|}}}{{{stat_area1|}}}{{{stat_area2|}}}{{{stat_area3|}}}{{{stat_area4|}}}{{{stat_area5|}}}|mergedrow|mergedbottomrow}} | label65 = <div class="ib-country-fake-li">•&nbsp;{{{area_label2|}}}</div> | data65 = {{#if:{{{area_label2|}}}| {{{area_data2|}}} }} | 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by area|{{{FR_IGN_area_rank|}}}]])}} }} }} | rowclass89 = mergedbottomrow | label89 = <div class="ib-country-fake-li2">•&nbsp;[[Cadastre]]{{{FR_foot3|}}}</div> | data89 = {{#if:{{{FR_metropole|}}} |{{#if:{{{FR_cadastre_area_km2|}}}{{{FR_cadastre_area_sq_mi|}}} | {{convinfobox|{{{FR_cadastre_area_km2|}}}|km2|{{{FR_cadastre_area_sq_mi|}}}|sqmi|abbr=on}}{{#if:{{{FR_cadastre_area_rank|}}}|&#32;([[List of countries and dependencies by area|{{{FR_cadastre_area_rank|}}}]])}} }} }} | rowclass90 = mergedtoprow | header90 = {{#if:{{{population_estimate|}}}{{{population_census|}}}{{{FR_metropole_population|}}}{{{stat_pop1|}}}{{{stat_pop2|}}}{{{stat_pop3|}}}{{{stat_pop4|}}}{{{stat_pop5|}}} |{{#if:{{{population_link|}}} | {{#ifeq:{{{population_link}}}|no|Population|[[{{{population_link}}}|Population]]}}<!-- -->| {{#ifexist:Demographics of {{{linking_name|{{{common_name|{{{name|{{PAGENAME}}}}}}}}}}} | [[Demographics of {{{linking_name|{{{common_name|{{{name|{{PAGENAME}}}}}}}}}}}|Population]]<!-- -->| Population<!-- -->}}<!-- -->}} }} | rowclass91 = mergedrow | label91 = <div class="ib-country-fake-li">•&nbsp;{{#if:{{{population_estimate_year|}}} |{{{population_estimate_year}}} estimate|Estimate}}</div> | data91 = {{#if:{{{population_estimate|}}} |{{{population_estimate}}}<!-- -->{{#if:{{{population_estimate_rank|}}} |&#32;([[List of countries and dependencies by population|{{{population_estimate_rank}}}]])}} }} | rowclass92 = mergedrow | label92= <div class="ib-country-fake-li">•&nbsp;{{{population_label2|}}}</div> | data92= {{#if:{{{population_label2|}}}|{{{population_data2|}}}}} | rowclass93= mergedrow | label93= <div class="ib-country-fake-li">•&nbsp;{{{population_label3|}}}</div> | data93= {{#if:{{{population_label3|}}}|{{{population_data3|}}}}} | rowclass94= mergedrow | data94= {{#if:{{{stat_pop1|}}}{{{stat_pop2|}}}{{{stat_pop3|}}}{{{stat_pop4|}}}{{{stat_pop5|}}}|{{Kartka država/multirow|{{{stat_year1|}}}{{{ref_pop1|}}} |{{{stat_pop1|}}}|{{{stat_year2|}}}{{{ref_pop2|}}} |{{{stat_pop2|}}}|{{{stat_year3|}}}{{{ref_pop3|}}} |{{{stat_pop3|}}}|{{{stat_year4|}}}{{{ref_pop4|}}} |{{{stat_pop4|}}}|{{{stat_year5|}}}{{{ref_pop5|}}} |{{{stat_pop5|}}} }} }} | rowclass95= mergedrow | label95= <div class="ib-country-fake-li">•&nbsp;{{#if:{{{population_census_year|}}} |{{{population_census_year}}}&nbsp;census|Census}}</div> | data95= {{#if:{{{population_census|}}} |{{{population_census}}}<!-- -->{{#if:{{{population_census_rank|}}} |&#32;([[List of countries and dependencies by population|{{{population_census_rank}}}]])}} }} | rowclass96= mergedrow | label96 = {{#if:{{{FR_metropole_population|}}}|{{#if:{{{FR_total_population_estimate_year|}}}|{{nobold|1=&nbsp;({{{FR_total_population_estimate_year}}})}}}}}} | data96 = {{#if:{{{FR_metropole_population|}}}|{{#if:{{{FR_total_population_estimate_year|}}}|<nowiki />}}}} | rowclass97 = mergedrow | label97= <div class="ib-country-fake-li">•&nbsp;Total{{{FR_foot|}}}</div> | data97= {{#if:{{{FR_metropole_population|}}}|{{#if:{{{FR_total_population_estimate|}}} |{{{FR_total_population_estimate}}}{{#if:{{{FR_total_population_estimate_rank|}}}|&#32;([[List of countries by population in 2005|{{{FR_total_population_estimate_rank}}}]])}} }} }} | rowclass98 = mergedrow | label98= <div class="ib-country-fake-li">•&nbsp;{{{FR_metropole}}}</div> | data98= {{#if:{{{FR_metropole_population|}}}|{{{FR_metropole_population}}}{{#if:{{{FR_metropole_population_estimate_rank|}}} |&#32;([[List of countries by population in 2005|{{{FR_metropole_population_estimate_rank}}}]])}} }} | rowclass99 = mergedbottomrow | label99= <div class="ib-country-fake-li">•&nbsp;Density{{{FR_foot5|}}}</div> | data99= {{#if:{{{population_density_km2|}}}{{{population_density_sq_mi|}}} | {{convinfobox|{{{population_density_km2|}}}|/km2|{{{population_density_sq_mi|}}}|/sqmi|1|abbr=on}}{{{pop_den_footnote|}}}<!-- -->{{#if:{{{population_density_rank|}}} |&#32;([[List of countries and dependencies by population density|{{{population_density_rank}}}]])}} }} | rowclass100 = {{#if:{{{population_estimate|}}}{{{population_census|}}}{{{FR_metropole_population|}}}|mergedbottomrow|mergedtoprow}} | label100 = Membership | data100= {{{nummembers|}}} | rowclass101= mergedtoprow | label101= {{#ifeq:{{{micronation|}}}|yes|Claimed|}} [[Gross domestic product|GDP]]&nbsp;{{nobold|([[Purchasing power parity|PPP]])}} | data101= {{#if:{{{GDP_PPP|}}}{{{GDP_PPP_per_capita|}}} |{{#if:{{{GDP_PPP_year|}}} |{{{GDP_PPP_year}}}&nbsp;}}estimate }} | rowclass102= mergedrow | label102= <div class="ib-country-fake-li">•&nbsp;Total</div> | data102= {{#if:{{{GDP_PPP|}}} |{{{GDP_PPP}}}<!-- -->{{#if:{{{GDP_PPP_rank|}}} |&#32;([[List of countries by GDP (PPP)|{{{GDP_PPP_rank}}}]])}} }} | rowclass103= mergedbottomrow | label103= <div class="ib-country-fake-li">•&nbsp;Per capita</div> | data103= {{#if:{{{GDP_PPP_per_capita|}}} |{{{GDP_PPP_per_capita}}}<!-- -->{{#if:{{{GDP_PPP_per_capita_rank|}}} |&#32;([[List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita|{{{GDP_PPP_per_capita_rank}}}]])}} }} | rowclass104= mergedtoprow | label104= {{#ifeq:{{{micronation|}}}|yes|Claimed|}} [[Gross domestic product|GDP]]&nbsp;{{nobold|(nominal)}} | data104= {{#if:{{{GDP_nominal|}}}{{{GDP_nominal_per_capita|}}} |{{#if:{{{GDP_nominal_year|}}} |{{{GDP_nominal_year}}}&nbsp;}}estimate }} | rowclass105= mergedrow | label105= <div class="ib-country-fake-li">•&nbsp;Total</div> | data105= {{#if:{{{GDP_nominal|}}} |{{{GDP_nominal}}}<!-- -->{{#if:{{{GDP_nominal_rank|}}} |&#32;([[List of countries by GDP (nominal)|{{{GDP_nominal_rank}}}]])}} }} | rowclass106= mergedbottomrow | label106= <div class="ib-country-fake-li">•&nbsp;Per capita</div> | data106= {{#if:{{{GDP_nominal_per_capita|}}} | {{{GDP_nominal_per_capita}}}<!-- -->{{#if:{{{GDP_nominal_per_capita_rank|}}} |&#32;([[List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita|{{{GDP_nominal_per_capita_rank}}}]])}} }} | label107= [[Gini_coefficient|Gini]]{{#if:{{{Gini_year|}}} |&nbsp;{{nobold|1=({{{Gini_year}}})}}}} | data107= {{#if:{{{Gini|}}} | {{#switch:{{{Gini_change|}}} |increase = {{increaseNegative}}&nbsp;<!-- -->|decrease = {{decreasePositive}}&nbsp;<!-- -->|steady = {{steady}}&nbsp;<!-- -->}}{{{Gini}}}{{{Gini_ref|}}}<br/><!-- ---------Evaluate and add Gini category:---------- -->{{nowrap|1=<!-- -->{{#iferror:<!-- -->{{#ifexpr:{{{Gini}}}>100 <!-- -->| {{error|Error: Gini value above 100}}<!--Handled by outer #iferror, not visible to users--><!-- -->| {{#ifexpr:{{{Gini}}}>=60 |{{color|red|very high}}<!-- -->| {{#ifexpr:{{{Gini}}}>=46 <!-- -->| {{color|darkred|high}}<!-- -->| {{#ifexpr:{{{Gini}}}>=30 <!-- -->| {{color|orange|medium}}<!-- -->| {{#ifexpr:{{{Gini}}}>=0 <!-- -->| {{color|forestgreen|low}}<!-- -->| {{error|Error:Gini value below 0}}<!--Handled by outer #iferror, not visible to users--><!-- -->}}<!-- -->}}<!-- -->}}<!-- -->}}<!-- -->}}<!-- -->| {{error|Error: Invalid Gini value}}{{#ifeq: {{NAMESPACE}} | {{ns:0}} | [[Kategorija:Country articles requiring maintenance]] }}<!-- -->}}<!-- -->}}<!-- -----------Add Gini_rank (if supplied):---------- -->{{#if:{{{Gini_rank|}}} |&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[List of countries by income equality|{{{Gini_rank}}}]]<!-- -->}}<!-- -->}} | label108= [[Human Development Index|HDI]]{{#if:{{{HDI_year|}}} |&nbsp;{{nobold|1=({{{HDI_year}}})}}}} | data108= {{#if:{{{HDI|}}} | {{#switch:{{{HDI_change|}}} |increase = {{increase}}&nbsp;<!-- -->|decrease = {{decrease}}&nbsp;<!-- -->|steady = {{steady}}&nbsp;<!-- -->}}{{{HDI}}}{{{HDI_ref|}}}<br/><!-- ---------Evaluate and add HDI category:--------- -->{{nowrap|1=<!-- -->{{#iferror:<!-- -->{{#ifexpr:{{{HDI}}}>1 <!-- -->| {{error|Error: HDI value greater than 1}}<!--Handled by outer #iferror, not visible to users--><!-- -->| {{#ifexpr:{{{HDI}}}>0.799 <!-- -->| {{color|darkgreen|very high}}<!-- -->| {{#ifexpr:{{{HDI}}}>0.699 <!-- -->| {{color|forestgreen|high}}<!-- -->| {{#ifexpr:{{{HDI}}}>0.549 <!-- -->| {{color|orange|medium}}<!-- -->| {{#ifexpr:{{{HDI}}}>=0.000<!-- -->| {{color|red|low}}<!-- -->| {{error|Error: HDI value less than 0}}<!--Handled by outer #iferror, not visible to users--><!-- -->}}<!-- -->}}<!-- -->}}<!-- -->}}<!-- -->}}<!-- -->| {{error|Error: Invalid HDI value}}{{#ifeq: {{NAMESPACE}} | {{ns:0}} | [[Kategorija:Country articles requiring maintenance]] }}<!-- -->}}<!-- -->}}<!-- ----------Add HDI_rank (if supplied):----------- -->{{#if:{{{HDI_rank|}}} |&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[List of countries by Human Development Index|{{{HDI_rank}}}]]<!-- -->}}<!-- -->}} | label109= {{#ifeq:{{{micronation|}}}|yes|Purported currency|Currency}} | data109= {{#if:{{{currency|}}} | {{{currency}}} {{#if:{{{currency_code|}}} |([[ISO 4217|{{{currency_code}}}]])}} }} | rowclass119= {{#if:{{{utc_offset_DST|}}}{{{DST_note|}}} |mergedtoprow}} | label119= Time zone | data119= {{#if:{{{utc_offset|}}} |{{nowrap|[[Coordinated Universal Time|UTC]]{{{utc_offset}}}}} {{#if:{{{time_zone|}}}|({{{time_zone}}})}} |{{{time_zone|}}} }} | rowclass120= {{#if:{{{DST_note|}}} |mergedrow |mergedbottomrow}} | label120= <div class="ib-country-fake-li">•&nbsp;Summer&nbsp;([[Daylight saving time|DST]])</div> | data120= {{#if:{{{utc_offset_DST|}}} |{{nowrap|[[Coordinated Universal Time|UTC]]{{{utc_offset_DST}}}}} {{#if:{{{time_zone_DST|}}}|({{{time_zone_DST}}})|{{#if:{{{DST|}}}|({{{DST}}})}}}} |{{#if:{{{time_zone_DST|}}}|{{{time_zone_DST}}}|{{{DST|}}}}} }} | rowclass121= mergedbottomrow | label121= <nowiki /> | data121= {{{DST_note|}}} | label122 = [[Antipodes]] | data122= {{{antipodes|}}} | label123 = Date format | data123= {{{date_format|}}} | label124= [[Mains electricity]] | data124= {{{electricity|}}} | label125= [[Left- and right-hand traffic|Driving side]] | data125= {{#if:{{{drives_on|}}} | {{lcfirst:{{{drives_on}}}}} }} | label126= {{#if:{{{calling_code|}}} |{{#ifexist:Telephone numbers in {{{linking_name|{{{common_name|{{{name|{{PAGENAME}}}}}}}}}}} | [[Telephone numbers in 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constant=''a''&nbsp;=&nbsp;286.65&nbsp;pm (pri&nbsp;20&nbsp;{{-|°C}})<ref name="Arblaster 2018">{{Cite book |last=Arblaster |first= John W. |title=Selected Values of the Crystallographic Properties of Elements |publisher=ASM International |publication-place=Materials Park, Ohio |date=2018 |isbn=978-1-62708-155-9}}</ref> |crystal structure 2=face-centered cubic |crystal structure 2 prefix=γ-{{-|Fe}} (912–1394&nbsp;{{-|°C}}): |crystal structure 2 Pearson symbol={{-|cF4}} |lattice constant 2=''a''&nbsp;=&nbsp;364.68&nbsp;pm (pri&nbsp;916&nbsp;{{-|°C}})<ref>{{Cite book |last=Cardarelli |first=François |title=Materials Handbook: A Concise Desktop Reference |publisher=Springer |publication-place=London |date=2008 | isbn=1-84628-668-9 | page=65}}</ref> |electronegativity=1.83 |number of ionization energies=4 |ionization energy 1=762.5 |ionization energy 2=1561.9 |ionization energy 3=2957 |atomic radius=126 |atomic radius calculated= |covalent radius=Nizky spin: 132±3 pm<br/>Vysoky spin: 152±6 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[[Fajl:Cyrillic capital letter Ghe with hook.svg|9px|link=Ӷ]] [[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter Ghe with hook.svg|6px|link=Ӷ]] · [[Ӻ|Ӻ ӻ]] · [[Ҕ|Ҕ ҕ]] · [[Ҕ̀|Ҕ̀ ҕ̀]] · [[Ҕ̆|Ҕ̆ ҕ̆]] · [[Ғ|Ғ ғ]] · [[Ғ̌|Ғ̌ ғ̌]] · [[Ғ̊|Ғ̊ ғ̊]] · [[Fajl:Cyrillic capital letter Ghe with stroke and descender.svg|9px|link=Prěčrknuto Г s nižnjeju črtkoju]] [[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter Ghe with stroke and descender.svg|7px|link=Prěčrknuto Г s nižnjeju črtkoju]] · [[Fajl:Cyrillic capital letter split by middle ring Ghe.svg|9px|link=Г razdvojeno prstenjem po srědině]] [[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter split by middle ring Ghe.svg|7px|link=Г razdvojeno prstenjem po srědině]]<br /> [[Γ|Γ γ]] · [[Ɣ̌|Ɣ̌ ɣ̌]] · [[G|G g]] · [[Ƣ|Ƣ ƣ]] · [[Ꙣ|Ꙣ ꙣ]] · [[Ꙥ|Ꙥ ꙥ]] · [[Ꙧ|Ꙧ ꙧ]] · [[Ҥ|Ҥ ҥ]] · [[Hryvnja|₴]] |}<noinclude> [[Kategorija:Šablony:Kirilica|Kirilica]] {{INTERWIKI|Q22797634}} </noinclude> fnix61h51u6p22k1o3b5wghb1mxtvr1 0 676 28729 4357 2026-07-15T07:46:17Z MwGamera 13 ě 28729 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Asia (orthographic projection).svg|thumb|Azija na kartě Světa]] '''Azija''' ({{Jezyky|la|Asia|el|Ἀσία}} — {{-|Asía}}) jest čest světa razom iz [[Evropa|Evropoju]] tvorivša [[Evrazija|Evrazije]], najboljši kontinent na [[Svět]]u. Iz povodov historičnyh i kulturnyh sama Azija jest tože zvana kontinentom. Zvana jest često kontinentom velikyh kontrastov geografičnyh. Graniči s Evropoju od zapada, [[Afrika|Afrikoju]] od jugozapada, [[Indijsky Okean|Indijskym Okeanom]] i [[Avstralija|Avstraliju]] od jugoiztoka i [[Tihy Okean|Tihym Okeanom]] od iztoka. Povrhnja Azije jest 44,6 mln km², čto prědstavja okolo 30% povrhnje vsej zemje. Imaje nagorno–gorsky harakter (vozvyšenosti prědstavjajut 75% povrhnje ovogo kontinenta – srědna vysota Azije to priblizno 1000 m n.p.m.). V Aziji živut 4 436,33 mln. ljudij, čto davaje 99,9 ljudij na km² (dane iz 2016 roku). Krajnom punktom na sěveru jest mys Čeljuskin (77°43′N), na jugu mys Piaj (1°16′N), na zapadu mys Baba (26°05′E), a na izhodu mys Dežnjova (169°40′W). Linija brěgova, razom s ostrovami, iznosi nagorno 70 000 km dolgosti. == Državy == {{Div col | colwidth = 15em | content = * [[Afganistan]] * [[Armenija]] * [[Azerbajdžan]] * [[Bahrajn]] * [[Bangladeš]] * [[Butan]] * [[Brunej]] * [[Filipiny]] * [[Gruzija]] * [[Indija]] * [[Indonezija]] * [[Irak]] * [[Iran]] * [[Izraelj]] * [[Iztočny Timor]] * [[Japonija]] * [[Jemen]] * [[Jordanija]] * [[Južna Koreja]] * [[Kambodža]] * [[Katar]] * [[Kazahstan]] * [[Kipr]] * [[Kitaj]] * [[Kuvejt]] * [[Kyrgyzstan]] * [[Laos]] * [[Liban]] * [[Maldivy]] * [[Malajzija]] * [[Mjanmar]] * [[Mongolija]] * [[Nepal]] * [[Oman]] * [[Pakistan]] * [[Росија|Rosija]] * [[Sěverna Koreja]] * [[Singapur]] * [[Sirija]] * [[Sjedinjene arabske emiraty]] * [[Sri Lanka]] * [[Tadžikistan]] * [[Tajland]] * [[Turcija]] * [[Turkmenistan]] * [[Uzbekistan]] * [[Vietnam]] }} {{Državy v Aziji}} [[Kategorija:Azija| ]] [[Kategorija:Kontinenty]] {{INTERWIKI|Q48}} t66i9t6strp2qnikrl2nizbntedbutq 0 698 28704 4500 2026-07-15T03:06:52Z MwGamera 13 28704 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok}} {| style="float:right; clear:right; border:1px solid #eee; padding:1em 3em; margin:0 0 1em 1em;" | [[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter voiceless L.svg|92x97px|class=skin-invert-image]] |} '''Bezzvučno {{-|Л}}''' jest bukva davnoj [[Кирилица|kiriličskoj]] azbuky jezyka [[Kabardino-čerkessky|kabardino-čerkesskogo]]. {{Varianty bukvy Л}} df4bzrb3cy9uuy3o5g7s1q0jkl64yse 0 741 28742 28310 2026-07-15T11:05:38Z LiMr 20 wikilinky 28742 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Městna interesnost | nazva = '''Brnensky drakon''' <br/>{{Jezyky|cs|Brněnský drak}} | vyšina = | država = [[Fajl:Flag_of_the_Czech_Republic.svg|20px|link=Čehija|Čehija]] [[Čehija]] | fotografija = [[Fajl:Brněnský drak 2 (02).jpg|thumb||center|300px|'''Brnensky drakon''' vo vratah Starogo ratuša]] | podnadpis = Dym, vozhodeči na vrhu vysypky | grad = [[Fajl:Flag_of_Brno.svg|20px|link=Brno|Brno]] [[Brno]] | koordinaty = {{-|{{Coord|49|11|35.2608|N|16|36|31.4202|E|type:landmark}}}} }} '''Brnensky drakon''' ({{Jezyky|cs|Brněnský drak}}) je nabity [[krokodil]], zavěšeny u stropa vo vratah [[Stará radnice (Brno)|Starogo ratuša]] v [[Brno|Brnu]]. == Pohodženje == Pohodženje Brnenskogo drakona ne jest věrogodno doloženo. Medžu obyvateljev Brna o njem uže stolětja obračaje se red legend. Podlě jednyh, byl krokodil do Brna dovezeny uže nabity, podlě inyh je žil prědtym v jamě u [[Svratka|rěky Svratky]]. Najčestěje se spekuluje, že krokodila daroval Brnu [[markgraf Matjaš]] v roku 1608. Soobčenje o tom bylo uloženo do kupoly ratušnoj věže v roku 1749. Drakon vsako musěl byti v Brnu uže prěd rokom 1608, zatože podlě danyh iz brnenskogo arhiva byl restavrovany a odčrvovany uže v letah 1578—1579. Sam Stary ratuš, v projezdu ktorogo je krokodil zavěšeny, vsako na vstupnyh biletah do věže ukazyvaje, že krokodil byl darom turečskyh poslov kralju [[Matjaš Habsburgsky|Matjašu <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">II</span>]] v roku 1609. Takože, se govori, že drakona sut privezli do Brna rycari iz [[Krestovy pohod|krestovyh pohodov]]. === Trutnovska legenda === Suglasno inoj legendě, ljudi sut našli drakona v skalah pri budovanju grada [[Trutnov]]a. Drakona sut ulovili, ubili i nabitogo uložili na trutnovskoj krěposti. To se imělo odigrati uže okolo roka 1006. Trutnovci jego sut prědali v roku 1024 knezu na sobranju v Brnu i obdržali sut za to pravo imati pečat s obrazom drakona.<ref>{{Cite book | last = Stejskal | first = Martin | title = Trutnovský drak in:Analogon 10 | year = 1993 | publisher = Lidové noviny | publication-place = Praha | pages = 20 | language = cs }}</ref><ref>{{Cite book | last = Stejskal | first = Martin | title = Labyrintem míst klatých | year = 2011 | publisher = Eminent | publication-place = Praha | pages = 873 | language = cs }}</ref> == Nazvy inyh objektov == * Vlakovy ekspres Brno-[[Praga]] * Antisemitičsky časopis, izdavany v Brnu prěd [[Vtora světova vojna|Vtoroju světovoju vojnoju]] * Motociklova gonka na [[Masarikov okrug|Masarikovom okrugu]] * Turnir v boulingu * Sportovna komanda amerikanskogo futbola {{-|[[Brno Alligators]]}} * Sportovny bejsbolovy klub {{-|[[Draci Brno]]}} * Turnir v plavanju za priz ''Brněnskogo draka'' * Vid mesnogo jedanja (ne ide o ''Brněnskom brabcu'') * Publičny turnir staviteljev plastikovyh modelov v Brnu * Vid piva iz [[Pivovar Starobrno|pivovara Starobrno]] * Komandny běg s orientovanjem po brněnskyh krčmah * Jedlivy suvenirny bonbon v obliku krokodila * Prězvišče u tipa tramvaja ([https://cs.wiktionary.org/wiki/%C5%A1alina šaliny]) {{-|[[EVO2]]}} v Brnu. == Referencije == {{Iztočniky}} == Vnešnje linky == {{Prěvod|cs|Brněnský drak}} [[Kategorija:Kultura]] [[Kategorija:Drakoni]] [[Kategorija:Slavne životiny]] [[Kategorija:Brno]] {{INTERWIKI|Q11343687}} d54nja4ksr8py1imbo92ewdhpuxi0c5 0 742 28656 28004 2026-07-14T12:21:42Z Ilja isv 10 28656 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka osoba | name = Brus Li<br/> <small>{{Hlist | {{Jezyky|zh-hant|李小龍}}| {{Jezyky|zh-hans|李小龙}}}} ({{-|[[pinjin]]}}: {{-|''Lǐ Xiǎolóng''}})</small> | image = [[Fajl:Bruce Lee 1973.jpg|300px|Li v lětu 1973]] | alt = | caption = Li v lětu 1973 | birth_name = {{-|Lee Jun-fan}}<br/>{{Jezyky|zh-hant|李振藩}}<br/>({{-|[[pinjin]]: ''Lǐ Zhènfān''}}) | birth_date = {{Birth date|1940|11|27}} | birth_place = [[San Francisko]], [[Kalifornija]], [[SŠA]] | death_date = {{Death date and age|1973|7|20|1940|11|27}} | death_place = [[Kowloon|Koulun]], [[Honkong]] | resting_place = [[Grobišče Lejk Vju, Sietl]], [[Štat Vašington|Vašington]], SŠA | citizenship = {{Unbulleted list |[[Britansky subjekt]] ([[Britansky Honkong|Honkong]]) |SŠA<ref>{{Cite book |last1=Bowman |first1=Paul |title=Mythologies of Martial Arts |date=2017 |publisher=Rowman & Littlefield International |location=London New York |isbn=978-1-78660-192-6 |pages=104}}</ref><ref>Hoti on se narodil s Sjedinjenyh Štatah, on ne izkoristal svojego prava nabitja [[Pravo na gradžanstvo SŠA po městu rodženja|amerikanskogo gradžanstva po městu rodženja]] do 1959 goda.</ref>}} | other_names = {{-|{{Hlist|Lee Siu-lung|Lee Yuen-cham|Lee Yuen-kam}}}} | occupation = {{Hlist|[[Bojevy umětnik]]|aktor|filozof|režiser filma|avtor scenarija|producent}} | works = [[#Filmografija|Filmografija]] | years_active = 1941–1973 | height = 1.73 m | spouse = [[Linda Lee Cadwell|Linda Emer{{-|y|и}}]] od 17 avgusta 1964 | children = {{Hlist|[[Brandon Lee|Brandon]]|[[Shannon Lee|{{-|Shannon|Шанон}}]]}} | parents = {{Unbulleted list|{{-|[[Lee Hoi-chuen]]|[[Lee Hoi-chuen|Ли Хоjчуен]]}}|{{-|[[Grace Ho]]|[[Grace Ho|Греjс Хо]]}}}} | relatives = {{Unbulleted list|{{-|[[Peter Lee Jung-sum|Peter Lee]]|[[Peter Lee Jung-sum|Петер Ли]]}} (brat)|{{-|[[Robert Lee Jun-fai|Robert Lee]]|[[Robert Lee Jun-fai|Роберт Ли]]}} (brat)}} | website = [http://www.bruceleefoundation.com Fond Brusa Li] | signature = [[Fajl:Signature of Bruce Lee.svg]] }} '''Brus Li''' ({{Jezyky|en|Bruce Lee}}, {{Jezyky|zh-hant|李小龍}}, pinjin {{-|''Lǐ Xiǎolóng''}}, rodno ime '''Li Džun-fan''', {{Lang|zh-hant|李振藩}}, 27 novembra 1940 – 20 julija 1973) byl honkongskym i amerikanskym [[Bojeva umětnost|bojevym umětnikom]], aktorom i filmodělateljem. On byl osnovateljem [[Jeet Kune Do|Džit Kun Do]], filozofije [[Hibiridna bojeva umětnost|hibridnoj bojevoj umětnosti]], ktora stvarjala se iz jego opyta [[Jedinoborstvo|boje bez oružja]] i [[Sebeobrana|sebeobrany]] — i takože iz [[Eklektika|eklektiky]], [[Zen-budizm|{{-|Z|Дз}}en-budističnoj]] i [[Taoizm|Taoističnoj]] filozofij — kako myšlenje novoj školy bojevyh umětnostij.<ref name="Crudelli121">{{Cite book |last=Chris Crudelli |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=QlI0fxSm1vgC |title=The Way of the Warrior |publisher=Dorling Kindersley Ltd |year=2008 |isbn=978-14-0533-750-2 |page=316}}</ref><ref name="Little">{{Cite book| last=Little| first=John R| year=1996| title=The Warrior Within: The Philosophies of Bruce Lee to Better Understand the World around You and Achieve a Rewarding Life| location=New York| publisher=McGraw-Hill| ISBN=978-0-8092-3194-2}}</ref> V svojej [[#Filmografija|karierě]], sjedinjajučej [[Britansky Honkong|Honkong]] i Sjedinjene štaty,<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://www.bruceleefoundation.com/index.cfm?pid=10606 |title=Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do |publisher=Bruce Lee Foundation |url-status=dead |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20100723235948/http://www.bruceleefoundation.com/index.cfm?pid=10606 |archive-date=July 23, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |date=March 25, 2016 |title=Bruce Lee takes on Chuck Norris, but he makes you wait for the fight |url=https://www.avclub.com/bruce-lee-takes-on-chuck-norris-but-he-makes-you-wait-1798245604 |access-date=January 27, 2023 |website=[[The A.V. Club]] |language=en |archive-date=January 27, 2023 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20230127163006/https://www.avclub.com/bruce-lee-takes-on-chuck-norris-but-he-makes-you-wait-1798245604 |url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |title=Director Ang Lee will direct his son, playing Bruce Lee in biopic |url=https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/director-ang-lee-will-direct-son-playing-bruce-lee-biopic-rcna59459 |access-date=January 27, 2023 |website=NBC News |date=November 30, 2022 |language=en |archive-date=January 27, 2023 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20230127163011/https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/director-ang-lee-will-direct-son-playing-bruce-lee-biopic-rcna59459 |url-status=live}}</ref> Li se mněvaje kako prva kitajska globalna filmova zvězda i kako jedin iz najvyše vplyvnyh bojevyh umětnikov v historiji kina.<ref>{{Cite web | url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/1PGC8TNWxvtxlPJ04TcysXb/nine-things-you-need-to-know-about-bruce-lee | title=BBC Radio 4 - Chinese Characters - Nine things you need to know about Bruce Lee }}</ref> On jest znajemy po svojih roljah v peti polnometražnyh [[Hudožny film|kinofilmah]] s [[Bojeva umětnost|bojevymi umětnostami]], jego zaslugoju mněvajut pomoč v popularizaciji filmov s bojevymi umětnostami v 1970-h lětah i propagacija [[Honkongsko akcijno kino|honkongskogo akcijnogo kina]].<ref name="britannica.com">{{Cite encyclopedia |url=https://www.britannica.com/biography/Bruce-Lee |title=Bruce Lee &#124; Biography, Martial Arts, Movies, Death, Son, & Facts &#124; Britannica |encyclopedia=Encyclopedia Britannica |date=July 16, 2024}}</ref><ref name="Time 100">{{Cite web |url=http://205.188.238.181/time/time100/heroes/profile/lee01.html |title=Bruce Lee: With nothing but his hands, feet and a lot of attitude, he turned the little guy into a tough guy |last=Stein |first=Joel |date=June 14, 1999 |work=The Time 100 |access-date=June 7, 2010 |location=New York |url-status=dead |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20100605174143/http://205.188.238.181/time/time100/heroes/profile/lee01.html |archive-date=June 5, 2010}}</ref> Rodženy v San-Francisku i izrastši v Honkongu, Li byl prědstavjeny [[Kino Honkonga|honkongskoj kinoindustrije]] kako [[děte-aktor]] jego otcem, {{-|[[Lee Hoi-chuen|Li Hojčuenom]]|[[Lee Hoi-chuen|Ли Хоjчуеном]]}}.<ref name="Mary Lee 2024">{{Cite web |last=Lee |first=Mary |date=February 8, 2024 |title=Proposal calls for Bruce Lee statue in San Francisco's Chinatown – CBS San Francisco |url=https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/bruce-lee-statue-san-francisco-chinatown-lunar-new-year/ |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240225083404/https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/bruce-lee-statue-san-francisco-chinatown-lunar-new-year/ |archive-date=February 25, 2024 |access-date=February 25, 2024 |website=www.cbsnews.com |language=en-US}}</ref> Rannji opyt Li v bojevyh umětnostah jest vključal [[Wing Chun|vinčun]] (pod rukovodstvom [[Ip Man]]a), [[Tai chi|taj či]], [[boks]] (izygral Honkongsky turnaj v boksu), i česte [[Uličny boj|ulične boje]] (boje v kvartalu i na [[Ploska strěha|ploskyh strěhah]]). On se prěselil v [[Sietl]] v lětu 1959, postupivši v [[Universitet Vašingtona]] v 1961-m.<ref name="TheBruceLeeStory41">{{Cite book |last=Lee |first=Linda |editor-last=Vaughn |editor-first=Jack |editor-last2=Lee |editor-first2=Mike |title=The Bruce Lee Story |publisher=Ohara Publications |publication-place=Burbank, Calif. |year=1989 |isbn=978-0-89750-121-7 |oclc=1301805494 |url=https://archive.org/details/bruceleestory0000cadw |url-access=registration |via=Internet Archive}}</ref> V tuty čas on se zamyslil na tom, da by zarabatyvati groše učenjem bojevyh umětnostij, i tako že nadějal se iměti karijeru aktora. Li jest otvoril svoju prvu školu bojevyh umětostij, ktora jest rabotala u njego iz doma v Sietlu. Pozneje on jest dodal vtoru školu v [[Oakland, Kalifornija|Oklendu]], i jedno pritegnul važnu pozornost na [[Medžunarodny čempionat v karate Long Bič|Medžunarodnom čempionatu v karate Long Bič]] 1964-go goda v Kalifornije, kde on dělal demonstraciju i govoril. On često se vozil do Los-Andželesa, kde učil, i kde medžu jego studentami sut byli [[Chuck Norris|Čak Noris]], [[Sharon Tate|Šaron Tejt]] i [[Kareem Abdul-Jabbar|Karim Abdul-Džabar]]. Rolje Li v Sjedinjenyh Štatah, vključajuči [[Kato (Zeleny sršenj)|Kato]] v akcijnom televizijnom serialu ''[[Zeleny sršenj (TV serial)|Zeleny sršenj]]'' (1966–1967) na {{-|[[American Broadcasting Company|ABC]]}}, prědstavili jego amerikanskoj publikě. Po vozvračenju v Honkong v lětu 1971, on jest dostal svoju prvu glavnu rolju v filmu ''[[The Big Boss|Veliky Bos]]'' (1971), ktory režisoval [[Lo Wei|Lo Vej]]. God poslě, Li snimal se v filmah ''[[Fist of Fury|Pest gněva]]'' (1972), kde on izobrazil [[Chen Zhen (personaž)|Čena Žena]], i ''[[The Way of the Dragon|Put drakona]]'' (1972), ktory sam režisoval i ko ktoromu napisal scenarij. Potom Li sigral glavne rolje v amerikano-honkongskyh spoločnyh projektah ''[[Enter the Dragon|Vstup drakona]]'' (1973) i ''[[Game of Death|Igra smrti]]'' (1978).<ref>{{Cite news |url=http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-features/tp-cinemaplus/article2058091.ece |title=How Bruce Lee changed the world-Series |work=The Hindu |location=India |date=May 29, 2011 |access-date=June 3, 2011 |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20121025084120/http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-features/tp-cinemaplus/article2058091.ece |archive-date=October 25, 2012}}</ref> Jego filmy, snimane v Honkongu i v [[Kino SŠA|Holivudu]], vse byli komercijno uspešne, čto vyvedlo honkongske filmy na novu urovenj popularnosti i uznanja, zažigajuči izbuh interesa k [[Kitajske bojeve umětnosti|kitajskym bojevym umětnostam]] na Zapadu. Stilj i tonalnost filmov Li, vključno [[Sceničny boj|horeografije bojovyh scen]] i jih raznorodnost<ref>{{Cite web |date=July 23, 2023 |title=9 Ways Bruce Lee Changed Martial Arts Movies Forever |url=https://screenrant.com/how-bruce-lee-changed-martial-arts-movies/ |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250817122056/https://screenrant.com/how-bruce-lee-changed-martial-arts-movies/ |archive-date=2025-08-17 |website=[[Screen Rant]]}}</ref> sut ogromno ovplyvnili i izmenili bojeve umětnosti i filmy o bojevyh umětnostah vo vsem světu.<ref>{{Cite news |url=https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/us |title=Bruce Lee inspired Dev for martial arts |date=July 1, 2010 |work=[[The Times of India]] |access-date=June 3, 2011}}</ref> Pod jego vplyvom, [[kung-fu film]]y sut počeli izměščati žanr [[Wuxia|u-sja]] — bojeve sceny sut počeli postavjati se vyše realističskymi, od fantastičnyh elementov sut odstupili zaradi realnyh konfliktov, i obraz glavnogo mužnogo personaža prěobratil se iz rycarskogo geroja v personaža, vopločajučego ideju [[mužnost]]i.<ref>{{Cite news | url=https://www.singaporefilmsociety.com/the-little-dragon-bruce-lees-influence-on-martial-arts-films | title='The Little Dragon' Bruce Lee's Influence on Martial Arts Films }}</ref> Kariera Li byla obrvana jego nagloju smrtju vo věku 32 lět od [[Otok mozga|otoka mozga]], možlive pričiny ktorogo ostavajut se prědmetom sporov.<ref>{{Cite encyclopedia | url=https://www.britannica.com/summary/Bruce-Lee | title=Bruce Lee summary &#124; Britannica | encyclopedia=Encyclopedia Britannica }}</ref> Obače, filmy Li ostali popularnymi, i stvorili veliky [[kult obožanja]],<ref name="britannica.com" /> jim stali mnogo naslědovati i jih [[Bruspluatacija|ekspluatovati]]. On se stal [[Kulturna ikona|ikoničnoju]] figuroju, znajemoju v cělom světu, osobljivo medžu kitajcami, blagodare portretovanoj v jego filmah [[Kantonska kultura|kantonskoj kulturě]],<ref>{{Cite book |last1=Dennis |first1=Felix |last2=Atyeo |first2=Don |title=Bruce Lee, King of Kung-Fu |publisher=Wildwood House |publication-place=London |year=1974 |isbn=978-0-7045-0121-8 |oclc=1341744}}</ref> i srěd [[Aziatske amerikancy|aziatskyh amerikancev]] za kydanje izzvy [[Stereotipy o izhodnyh aziatah v SŠA|stereotipam o aziatah v SŠA]].<ref name=":10">{{Cite news |last1=McDermon |first1=Daniel |title=How Bruce Lee Exploded a Stereotype With a One-Inch Punch |work=The New York Times |date=January 25, 2017 |url=https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/movies/bruce-lee-movies.html |access-date=October 15, 2018 |archive-date=October 15, 2018 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20181015120105/https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/movies/bruce-lee-movies.html |url-status=live}}</ref> Daže po svojej smrti, Li prodolžil okazyvati veliko značny vplyv na moderne [[bojeve sporty]], vključajuči [[džudo]], [[karate]], [[směšane bojove umětnosti]] i boks, i takože na sučasnu [[Popularna kultura|popkulturu]], vključajuči film, televiziju, komiksy, animaciju i videoigry. Časopis {{-|''[[Time (časopis)|Time]]''}} nazval jego jednim iz [[Tajm 100: Najvyše važne ljudi stolětja|100 najvyše važnyh ljudij 20-go stolětja]]. == Filmografija == ===Filmy=== *{{-|''Golden Gate Girl''}} (Děvčina s Zlatyh vrat, 1941) *{{-|''The Birth of Mankind''}} (Rodženje ljudstva, 1946) *{{-|''Wealth is Like a Dream''}} (Bogatstvo je kako son, 1948) *{{-|''Sai See in the Dream''}} (Saj Si vo snah, 1949) *{{-|''The Story of Fan Lei-fa''}} (Pověst o Fan Lej-fa, 1949) *{{-|''The Kid''}} (Děte, 1950) *{{-|''Blooms and Butterflies''}} (Cvěty i motyliki, 1950) *{{-|''Infancy''}} (Dětstvo, 1951) *{{-|''A Myriad Homes''}} (Tyseče domov, 1953) *{{-|''Blame it on Father''}} (Vinovatym jest otec, 1953) *{{-|''The Guiding Light''}} (Veduče světlo, 1953) *{{-|''A Mother's Tears''}} (Solzy matere, 1953) *{{-|''In the Face of Demolition''}} (V licu razorjenja, 1953) *{{-|''An Orphan's Tragedy''}} (Tragedija siroty, 1955) *{{-|''Orphan's Song''}} (Sirotska pěsnja, 1955) *{{-|''Love''}} (Ljubov, 1955) *{{-|''We Owe It to Our Children''}} (My jesmo dolžni našim dětam, 1955) *{{-|''The Faithful Wife''}} (Věrna žena, 1955) *{{-|''The Wise Guys Who Fool Around''}} (Mudre ljudi zabavjajut se, 1956) *{{-|''Too Late For Divorce''}} (Uže pozdno se razvoditi, 1956) *{{-|''The Thunderstorm''}} (Blěskava burja, 1957) *{{-|''Darling Girl''}} (Mila děvčina, 1957) *{{-|''The Orphan''}} (Sirota, 1960) *{{-|''The Wrecking Crew''}} (Ekipa korabokrušenja, 1968, horeograf bojevyh scen) *{{-|''Marlowe''}} (1969) *{{-|''A Walk in the Spring Rain''}} (Prohodka vesnym doždem, 1970, horeograf bojevyh scen) *{{-|''The Big Boss''}} (Veliky Bos, 1971) *{{-|''Fist of Fury''}} (Pest gněva, 1972) *{{-|''[[The Way of the Dragon]]''}} (Put Drakona, 1972) *{{-|''[[The Game of Death (1972 movie)|The Game of Death 死亡的遊戲]]''}} (Igra smrti, 1972) *{{-|''Fist of Unicorn''}} (Pest Jednoroga, 1973, horeograf bojevyh scen) *{{-|''[[Enter the Dragon]]''}} (Vstup Drakona, 1973) ===TV serialy=== *{{-|''The Green Hornet''}} (Zeleny sršenj) i prěsěčenje s ''[[Batman (TV serial)|Batman]]'' (1966-1967) *{{-|''Ironside''}} (Pancyr, 1968) *{{-|''Blondie''}} (Blondinka, 1968) *{{-|''Here Come the Brides''}} (Ovamo prihodet nevěsty, 1968) *{{-|''Longstreet''}} (1971, [[Jeet Kune Do|kako ekspert {{-|'''''Jeet Kune Do'''''}}]]) * vse serialy, izpuščene po smrti Li (1973) poljzujut jego arhivne snimanja, kako {{-|''[[Game of Death]]''}} (Igra smrti, 1978), {{-|''[[Game of Death II]]''}} (Igra smrti {{-|II}}, 1981) i dokumentalne filmy. ==Linky i referencije== {{Iztočniky}} ==Vněšnje linky== {{Prěvod|en|Bruce Lee}} [[Kategorija:Aktori]] [[Kategorija:Kino]] [[Kategorija:Bojevi umětniki]] {{INTERWIKI|Q16397}} say7lgp6cisw9dbofacjuqefu04wxz3 28657 28656 2026-07-14T12:22:01Z Ilja isv 10 28657 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka osoba | name = Brus Li<br/> <small>{{Hlist | {{Jezyky|zh-hant|李小龍}}| {{Jezyky|zh-hans|李小龙}}}} ({{-|[[pinjin]]}}: {{-|''Lǐ Xiǎolóng''}})</small> | image = [[Fajl:Bruce Lee 1973.jpg|300px|Li v lětu 1973]] | alt = | caption = Li v lětu 1973 | birth_name = {{-|Lee Jun-fan}}<br/>{{Jezyky|zh-hant|李振藩}}<br/>({{-|[[pinjin]]: ''Lǐ Zhènfān''}}) | birth_date = {{Birth date|1940|11|27}} | birth_place = [[San Francisko]], [[Kalifornija]], [[SŠA]] | death_date = {{Death date and age|1973|7|20|1940|11|27}} | death_place = [[Kowloon|Koulun]], [[Honkong]] | resting_place = [[Grobišče Lejk Vju, Sietl]], [[Štat Vašington|Vašington]], SŠA | citizenship = {{Unbulleted list |[[Britansky subjekt]] ([[Britansky Honkong|Honkong]]) |SŠA<ref>{{Cite book |last1=Bowman |first1=Paul |title=Mythologies of Martial Arts |date=2017 |publisher=Rowman & Littlefield International |location=London New York |isbn=978-1-78660-192-6 |pages=104}}</ref><ref>Hoti on se narodil s Sjedinjenyh Štatah, on ne izkoristal svojego prava nabitja [[Pravo na gradžanstvo SŠA po městu rodženja|amerikanskogo gradžanstva po městu rodženja]] do 1959 goda.</ref>}} | other_names = {{-|{{Hlist|Lee Siu-lung|Lee Yuen-cham|Lee Yuen-kam}}}} | occupation = {{Hlist|[[Bojevy umětnik]]|aktor|filozof|režiser filma|avtor scenarija|producent}} | works = [[#Filmografija|Filmografija]] | years_active = 1941–1973 | height = 1.73 m | spouse = [[Linda Lee Cadwell|Linda Emer{{-|y|и}}]] od 17 avgusta 1964 | children = {{Hlist|[[Brandon Lee|Brandon]]|[[Shannon Lee|{{-|Shannon|Шанон}}]]}} | parents = {{Unbulleted list|{{-|[[Lee Hoi-chuen]]|[[Lee Hoi-chuen|Ли Хоjчуен]]}}|{{-|[[Grace Ho]]|[[Grace Ho|Греjс Хо]]}}}} | relatives = {{Unbulleted list|{{-|[[Peter Lee Jung-sum|Peter Lee]]|[[Peter Lee Jung-sum|Петер Ли]]}} (brat)|{{-|[[Robert Lee Jun-fai|Robert Lee]]|[[Robert Lee Jun-fai|Роберт Ли]]}} (brat)}} | website = [http://www.bruceleefoundation.com Fond Brusa Li] | signature = [[Fajl:Signature of Bruce Lee.svg|200px]] }} '''Brus Li''' ({{Jezyky|en|Bruce Lee}}, {{Jezyky|zh-hant|李小龍}}, pinjin {{-|''Lǐ Xiǎolóng''}}, rodno ime '''Li Džun-fan''', {{Lang|zh-hant|李振藩}}, 27 novembra 1940 – 20 julija 1973) byl honkongskym i amerikanskym [[Bojeva umětnost|bojevym umětnikom]], aktorom i filmodělateljem. On byl osnovateljem [[Jeet Kune Do|Džit Kun Do]], filozofije [[Hibiridna bojeva umětnost|hibridnoj bojevoj umětnosti]], ktora stvarjala se iz jego opyta [[Jedinoborstvo|boje bez oružja]] i [[Sebeobrana|sebeobrany]] — i takože iz [[Eklektika|eklektiky]], [[Zen-budizm|{{-|Z|Дз}}en-budističnoj]] i [[Taoizm|Taoističnoj]] filozofij — kako myšlenje novoj školy bojevyh umětnostij.<ref name="Crudelli121">{{Cite book |last=Chris Crudelli |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=QlI0fxSm1vgC |title=The Way of the Warrior |publisher=Dorling Kindersley Ltd |year=2008 |isbn=978-14-0533-750-2 |page=316}}</ref><ref name="Little">{{Cite book| last=Little| first=John R| year=1996| title=The Warrior Within: The Philosophies of Bruce Lee to Better Understand the World around You and Achieve a Rewarding Life| location=New York| publisher=McGraw-Hill| ISBN=978-0-8092-3194-2}}</ref> V svojej [[#Filmografija|karierě]], sjedinjajučej [[Britansky Honkong|Honkong]] i Sjedinjene štaty,<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://www.bruceleefoundation.com/index.cfm?pid=10606 |title=Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do |publisher=Bruce Lee Foundation |url-status=dead |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20100723235948/http://www.bruceleefoundation.com/index.cfm?pid=10606 |archive-date=July 23, 2010}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |date=March 25, 2016 |title=Bruce Lee takes on Chuck Norris, but he makes you wait for the fight |url=https://www.avclub.com/bruce-lee-takes-on-chuck-norris-but-he-makes-you-wait-1798245604 |access-date=January 27, 2023 |website=[[The A.V. Club]] |language=en |archive-date=January 27, 2023 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20230127163006/https://www.avclub.com/bruce-lee-takes-on-chuck-norris-but-he-makes-you-wait-1798245604 |url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |title=Director Ang Lee will direct his son, playing Bruce Lee in biopic |url=https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/director-ang-lee-will-direct-son-playing-bruce-lee-biopic-rcna59459 |access-date=January 27, 2023 |website=NBC News |date=November 30, 2022 |language=en |archive-date=January 27, 2023 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20230127163011/https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/director-ang-lee-will-direct-son-playing-bruce-lee-biopic-rcna59459 |url-status=live}}</ref> Li se mněvaje kako prva kitajska globalna filmova zvězda i kako jedin iz najvyše vplyvnyh bojevyh umětnikov v historiji kina.<ref>{{Cite web | url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/1PGC8TNWxvtxlPJ04TcysXb/nine-things-you-need-to-know-about-bruce-lee | title=BBC Radio 4 - Chinese Characters - Nine things you need to know about Bruce Lee }}</ref> On jest znajemy po svojih roljah v peti polnometražnyh [[Hudožny film|kinofilmah]] s [[Bojeva umětnost|bojevymi umětnostami]], jego zaslugoju mněvajut pomoč v popularizaciji filmov s bojevymi umětnostami v 1970-h lětah i propagacija [[Honkongsko akcijno kino|honkongskogo akcijnogo kina]].<ref name="britannica.com">{{Cite encyclopedia |url=https://www.britannica.com/biography/Bruce-Lee |title=Bruce Lee &#124; Biography, Martial Arts, Movies, Death, Son, & Facts &#124; Britannica |encyclopedia=Encyclopedia Britannica |date=July 16, 2024}}</ref><ref name="Time 100">{{Cite web |url=http://205.188.238.181/time/time100/heroes/profile/lee01.html |title=Bruce Lee: With nothing but his hands, feet and a lot of attitude, he turned the little guy into a tough guy |last=Stein |first=Joel |date=June 14, 1999 |work=The Time 100 |access-date=June 7, 2010 |location=New York |url-status=dead |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20100605174143/http://205.188.238.181/time/time100/heroes/profile/lee01.html |archive-date=June 5, 2010}}</ref> Rodženy v San-Francisku i izrastši v Honkongu, Li byl prědstavjeny [[Kino Honkonga|honkongskoj kinoindustrije]] kako [[děte-aktor]] jego otcem, {{-|[[Lee Hoi-chuen|Li Hojčuenom]]|[[Lee Hoi-chuen|Ли Хоjчуеном]]}}.<ref name="Mary Lee 2024">{{Cite web |last=Lee |first=Mary |date=February 8, 2024 |title=Proposal calls for Bruce Lee statue in San Francisco's Chinatown – CBS San Francisco |url=https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/bruce-lee-statue-san-francisco-chinatown-lunar-new-year/ |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240225083404/https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/bruce-lee-statue-san-francisco-chinatown-lunar-new-year/ |archive-date=February 25, 2024 |access-date=February 25, 2024 |website=www.cbsnews.com |language=en-US}}</ref> Rannji opyt Li v bojevyh umětnostah jest vključal [[Wing Chun|vinčun]] (pod rukovodstvom [[Ip Man]]a), [[Tai chi|taj či]], [[boks]] (izygral Honkongsky turnaj v boksu), i česte [[Uličny boj|ulične boje]] (boje v kvartalu i na [[Ploska strěha|ploskyh strěhah]]). On se prěselil v [[Sietl]] v lětu 1959, postupivši v [[Universitet Vašingtona]] v 1961-m.<ref name="TheBruceLeeStory41">{{Cite book |last=Lee |first=Linda |editor-last=Vaughn |editor-first=Jack |editor-last2=Lee |editor-first2=Mike |title=The Bruce Lee Story |publisher=Ohara Publications |publication-place=Burbank, Calif. |year=1989 |isbn=978-0-89750-121-7 |oclc=1301805494 |url=https://archive.org/details/bruceleestory0000cadw |url-access=registration |via=Internet Archive}}</ref> V tuty čas on se zamyslil na tom, da by zarabatyvati groše učenjem bojevyh umětnostij, i tako že nadějal se iměti karijeru aktora. Li jest otvoril svoju prvu školu bojevyh umětostij, ktora jest rabotala u njego iz doma v Sietlu. Pozneje on jest dodal vtoru školu v [[Oakland, Kalifornija|Oklendu]], i jedno pritegnul važnu pozornost na [[Medžunarodny čempionat v karate Long Bič|Medžunarodnom čempionatu v karate Long Bič]] 1964-go goda v Kalifornije, kde on dělal demonstraciju i govoril. On često se vozil do Los-Andželesa, kde učil, i kde medžu jego studentami sut byli [[Chuck Norris|Čak Noris]], [[Sharon Tate|Šaron Tejt]] i [[Kareem Abdul-Jabbar|Karim Abdul-Džabar]]. Rolje Li v Sjedinjenyh Štatah, vključajuči [[Kato (Zeleny sršenj)|Kato]] v akcijnom televizijnom serialu ''[[Zeleny sršenj (TV serial)|Zeleny sršenj]]'' (1966–1967) na {{-|[[American Broadcasting Company|ABC]]}}, prědstavili jego amerikanskoj publikě. Po vozvračenju v Honkong v lětu 1971, on jest dostal svoju prvu glavnu rolju v filmu ''[[The Big Boss|Veliky Bos]]'' (1971), ktory režisoval [[Lo Wei|Lo Vej]]. God poslě, Li snimal se v filmah ''[[Fist of Fury|Pest gněva]]'' (1972), kde on izobrazil [[Chen Zhen (personaž)|Čena Žena]], i ''[[The Way of the Dragon|Put drakona]]'' (1972), ktory sam režisoval i ko ktoromu napisal scenarij. Potom Li sigral glavne rolje v amerikano-honkongskyh spoločnyh projektah ''[[Enter the Dragon|Vstup drakona]]'' (1973) i ''[[Game of Death|Igra smrti]]'' (1978).<ref>{{Cite news |url=http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-features/tp-cinemaplus/article2058091.ece |title=How Bruce Lee changed the world-Series |work=The Hindu |location=India |date=May 29, 2011 |access-date=June 3, 2011 |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20121025084120/http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-features/tp-cinemaplus/article2058091.ece |archive-date=October 25, 2012}}</ref> Jego filmy, snimane v Honkongu i v [[Kino SŠA|Holivudu]], vse byli komercijno uspešne, čto vyvedlo honkongske filmy na novu urovenj popularnosti i uznanja, zažigajuči izbuh interesa k [[Kitajske bojeve umětnosti|kitajskym bojevym umětnostam]] na Zapadu. Stilj i tonalnost filmov Li, vključno [[Sceničny boj|horeografije bojovyh scen]] i jih raznorodnost<ref>{{Cite web |date=July 23, 2023 |title=9 Ways Bruce Lee Changed Martial Arts Movies Forever |url=https://screenrant.com/how-bruce-lee-changed-martial-arts-movies/ |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250817122056/https://screenrant.com/how-bruce-lee-changed-martial-arts-movies/ |archive-date=2025-08-17 |website=[[Screen Rant]]}}</ref> sut ogromno ovplyvnili i izmenili bojeve umětnosti i filmy o bojevyh umětnostah vo vsem světu.<ref>{{Cite news |url=https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/us |title=Bruce Lee inspired Dev for martial arts |date=July 1, 2010 |work=[[The Times of India]] |access-date=June 3, 2011}}</ref> Pod jego vplyvom, [[kung-fu film]]y sut počeli izměščati žanr [[Wuxia|u-sja]] — bojeve sceny sut počeli postavjati se vyše realističskymi, od fantastičnyh elementov sut odstupili zaradi realnyh konfliktov, i obraz glavnogo mužnogo personaža prěobratil se iz rycarskogo geroja v personaža, vopločajučego ideju [[mužnost]]i.<ref>{{Cite news | url=https://www.singaporefilmsociety.com/the-little-dragon-bruce-lees-influence-on-martial-arts-films | title='The Little Dragon' Bruce Lee's Influence on Martial Arts Films }}</ref> Kariera Li byla obrvana jego nagloju smrtju vo věku 32 lět od [[Otok mozga|otoka mozga]], možlive pričiny ktorogo ostavajut se prědmetom sporov.<ref>{{Cite encyclopedia | url=https://www.britannica.com/summary/Bruce-Lee | title=Bruce Lee summary &#124; Britannica | encyclopedia=Encyclopedia Britannica }}</ref> Obače, filmy Li ostali popularnymi, i stvorili veliky [[kult obožanja]],<ref name="britannica.com" /> jim stali mnogo naslědovati i jih [[Bruspluatacija|ekspluatovati]]. On se stal [[Kulturna ikona|ikoničnoju]] figuroju, znajemoju v cělom světu, osobljivo medžu kitajcami, blagodare portretovanoj v jego filmah [[Kantonska kultura|kantonskoj kulturě]],<ref>{{Cite book |last1=Dennis |first1=Felix |last2=Atyeo |first2=Don |title=Bruce Lee, King of Kung-Fu |publisher=Wildwood House |publication-place=London |year=1974 |isbn=978-0-7045-0121-8 |oclc=1341744}}</ref> i srěd [[Aziatske amerikancy|aziatskyh amerikancev]] za kydanje izzvy [[Stereotipy o izhodnyh aziatah v SŠA|stereotipam o aziatah v SŠA]].<ref name=":10">{{Cite news |last1=McDermon |first1=Daniel |title=How Bruce Lee Exploded a Stereotype With a One-Inch Punch |work=The New York Times |date=January 25, 2017 |url=https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/movies/bruce-lee-movies.html |access-date=October 15, 2018 |archive-date=October 15, 2018 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20181015120105/https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/movies/bruce-lee-movies.html |url-status=live}}</ref> Daže po svojej smrti, Li prodolžil okazyvati veliko značny vplyv na moderne [[bojeve sporty]], vključajuči [[džudo]], [[karate]], [[směšane bojove umětnosti]] i boks, i takože na sučasnu [[Popularna kultura|popkulturu]], vključajuči film, televiziju, komiksy, animaciju i videoigry. Časopis {{-|''[[Time (časopis)|Time]]''}} nazval jego jednim iz [[Tajm 100: Najvyše važne ljudi stolětja|100 najvyše važnyh ljudij 20-go stolětja]]. == Filmografija == ===Filmy=== *{{-|''Golden Gate Girl''}} (Děvčina s Zlatyh vrat, 1941) *{{-|''The Birth of Mankind''}} (Rodženje ljudstva, 1946) *{{-|''Wealth is Like a Dream''}} (Bogatstvo je kako son, 1948) *{{-|''Sai See in the Dream''}} (Saj Si vo snah, 1949) *{{-|''The Story of Fan Lei-fa''}} (Pověst o Fan Lej-fa, 1949) *{{-|''The Kid''}} (Děte, 1950) *{{-|''Blooms and Butterflies''}} (Cvěty i motyliki, 1950) *{{-|''Infancy''}} (Dětstvo, 1951) *{{-|''A Myriad Homes''}} (Tyseče domov, 1953) *{{-|''Blame it on Father''}} (Vinovatym jest otec, 1953) *{{-|''The Guiding Light''}} (Veduče světlo, 1953) *{{-|''A Mother's Tears''}} (Solzy matere, 1953) *{{-|''In the Face of Demolition''}} (V licu razorjenja, 1953) *{{-|''An Orphan's Tragedy''}} (Tragedija siroty, 1955) *{{-|''Orphan's Song''}} (Sirotska pěsnja, 1955) *{{-|''Love''}} (Ljubov, 1955) *{{-|''We Owe It to Our Children''}} (My jesmo dolžni našim dětam, 1955) *{{-|''The Faithful Wife''}} (Věrna žena, 1955) *{{-|''The Wise Guys Who Fool Around''}} (Mudre ljudi zabavjajut se, 1956) *{{-|''Too Late For Divorce''}} (Uže pozdno se razvoditi, 1956) *{{-|''The Thunderstorm''}} (Blěskava burja, 1957) *{{-|''Darling Girl''}} (Mila děvčina, 1957) *{{-|''The Orphan''}} (Sirota, 1960) *{{-|''The Wrecking Crew''}} (Ekipa korabokrušenja, 1968, horeograf bojevyh scen) *{{-|''Marlowe''}} (1969) *{{-|''A Walk in the Spring Rain''}} (Prohodka vesnym doždem, 1970, horeograf bojevyh scen) *{{-|''The Big Boss''}} (Veliky Bos, 1971) *{{-|''Fist of Fury''}} (Pest gněva, 1972) *{{-|''[[The Way of the Dragon]]''}} (Put Drakona, 1972) *{{-|''[[The Game of Death (1972 movie)|The Game of Death 死亡的遊戲]]''}} (Igra smrti, 1972) *{{-|''Fist of Unicorn''}} (Pest Jednoroga, 1973, horeograf bojevyh scen) *{{-|''[[Enter the Dragon]]''}} (Vstup Drakona, 1973) ===TV serialy=== *{{-|''The Green Hornet''}} (Zeleny sršenj) i prěsěčenje s ''[[Batman (TV serial)|Batman]]'' (1966-1967) *{{-|''Ironside''}} (Pancyr, 1968) *{{-|''Blondie''}} (Blondinka, 1968) *{{-|''Here Come the Brides''}} (Ovamo prihodet nevěsty, 1968) *{{-|''Longstreet''}} (1971, [[Jeet Kune Do|kako ekspert {{-|'''''Jeet Kune Do'''''}}]]) * vse serialy, izpuščene po smrti Li (1973) poljzujut jego arhivne snimanja, kako {{-|''[[Game of Death]]''}} (Igra smrti, 1978), {{-|''[[Game of Death II]]''}} (Igra smrti {{-|II}}, 1981) i dokumentalne filmy. ==Linky i referencije== {{Iztočniky}} ==Vněšnje linky== {{Prěvod|en|Bruce Lee}} [[Kategorija:Aktori]] [[Kategorija:Kino]] [[Kategorija:Bojevi umětniki]] {{INTERWIKI|Q16397}} 8flpr3ufts1wxdxr07y3y3m3vwz4f4z 0 769 28730 5072 2026-07-15T07:48:59Z MwGamera 13 nemaje č v linkTrailu 28730 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Zinc-sheet.jpg|thumb|right|Kusok cinkovogo lista]] '''Cink''' je [[hemičny element]], imajuči simbol {{-|'''Zn'''}} i atomno čislo 30. Pri komnatnoj temperaturě on je slegka lomlivym [[metal]]om, i kogda oksidacija jest odstraněna, imaje blěskavo-sěry izgled. Cink jest prvym elementom v grupe 12 {{-|(IIB)}} [[Periodična sistema elementov|periodičnoj sistemy]]. V něktoryh odnošenjah cink jest hemično podobnym [[magnezij]]u: obadva elementy pokazyvajut toliko jednu normalnu stupenj oksidacije (+2), a iony {{-|Zn²⁺}} i {{-|Mg²⁺}} imajut jednaky razměr.<ref>Elementy sut od raznyh metaličnyh grup. Ref. [[Periodična sistema elementov|Periodična sistema]]</ref> Cink jest 24-tym iz samyh razprostranjenyh elementov Zemnoj kory i imaje pet stabilnyh izotopov. Najčesta cinkova ruda jest sfalerit (cinkova blenda), mineral sulfida cinka. Najvěčši razrabotyvajeme razsypy sut v Avstraliji, Aziji i Sjedinjenyh Štatah. Cink izvlěkajut flotacijeju rudy, zapečenjem i ekstrakcijeju s pomočju električnosti (električnym rafinovanjem). Cink jest sučstvenym mikroelementom za člověka,<ref name="Maret-2013">{{Cite book|first1= Wolfgang |last1= Maret|chapter= Zinc and Human Disease|editor=Astrid Sigel|editor2=Helmut Sigel|editor3=Roland K. O. Sigel|title=Interrelations between Essential Metal Ions and Human Diseases|series=Metal Ions in Life Sciences|volume=13|date=2013|publisher=Springer|pages=389–414|doi=10.1007/978-94-007-7500-8_12|pmid= 24470098|isbn= 978-94-007-7499-5}}</ref><ref name="Zinc - brain disorders 2015 review">{{Cite journal|author=Nakashima A.S.|author2=Dyck R.H.|date=2009|title=Zinc and cortical plasticity|journal=Brain Res Rev|volume=59|doi=10.1016/j.brainresrev.2008.10.003|pmid=19026685|issue=2|pages=347–73|s2cid=22507338}}</ref><ref name="Zinc & sleep 2017 review">{{Cite journal | vauthors = Cherasse Y, Urade Y | title = Dietary Zinc Acts as a Sleep Modulator | journal = International Journal of Molecular Sciences | volume = 18 | issue = 11 | pages = 2334 | date = November 2017 | pmid = 29113075 | pmc = 5713303 | doi = 10.3390/ijms18112334 | quote = Zinc is the second most abundant trace metal in the human body, and is essential for many biological processes. &nbsp;... The trace metal zinc is an essential cofactor for more than 300 enzymes and 1000 transcription factors [16].&nbsp;... In the central nervous system, zinc is the second most abundant trace metal and is involved in many processes. In addition to its role in enzymatic activity, it also plays a major role in cell signaling and modulation of neuronal activity.| doi-access = free }}</ref> životiny,<ref name="Prasad-2008">{{Cite journal|author=Prasad A. S.|title=Zinc in Human Health: Effect of Zinc on Immune Cells|journal=Mol. Med.|volume=14|date=2008|pmid=18385818|pmc=2277319|doi=10.2119/2008-00033.Prasad|issue=5–6|pages=353–7}}</ref> rastliny<ref name="Broadley2007">{{Cite journal|last=Broadley|first=M. R.|author2=White, P. J. |author3=Hammond, J. P. |author4=Zelko I. |author5= Lux A. |title=Zinc in plants|journal=New Phytologist|volume=173|date=2007|pmid=17286818|doi=10.1111/j.1469-8137.2007.01996.x|issue=4|pages=677–702|doi-access=free|bibcode=2007NewPh.173..677B }}</ref> i mikroorganizmy<ref name="Sugarman-1983">Zinc's role in microorganisms is particularly reviewed in: {{Cite journal|author=Sugarman B|title=Zinc and infection|journal=Reviews of Infectious Diseases|volume=5|date=1983|pmid=6338570|issue=1|pages=137–47 |doi=10.1093/clinids/5.1.137}}</ref> i jest neobhodimym dlja prenatalnogo i postnatalnogo razvoja.<ref name="Hambridge2007">{{Cite journal |author=Hambidge, K. M. |author2=Krebs, N. F. |name-list-style=amp |date=2007 |title=Zinc deficiency: a special challenge |journal=J. Nutr. |volume=137 |issue=4 |pages=1101–5 |doi=10.1093/jn/137.4.1101 |pmid=17374687 |doi-access=free}}</ref> On jest drugym najobilnym mikrometalom v tělu člověka poslě [[Želězo|želěza]], važnogo kofaktora mnogyh enzimov, i jedinym metalom, ktory prisutstvuje vo vseh klasah enzinov.<ref name="Broadley2007" /><ref name="Zinc & sleep 2017 review" /> Cink jest takože nasučnym nutrientom dlja rasta koralov.<ref>{{Cite journal |last1=Xiao |first1=Hangfang |last2=Deng |first2=Wenfeng |last3=Wei |first3=Gangjian |last4=Chen |first4=Jiubin |last5=Zheng |first5=Xinqing |last6=Shi |first6=Tuo |last7=Chen |first7=Xuefei |last8=Wang |first8=Chenying |last9=Liu |first9=Xi |date=October 30, 2020 |title=A Pilot Study on Zinc Isotopic Compositions in Shallow-Water Coral Skeletons |url=https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2020GC009430#:~:text=Although%20excess%20Zn%20is%20toxic,of%20zooxanthellae%20and%20calcification%20of |journal=Geochemistry, Geophysics, Geosystems|volume=21 |issue=11 |doi=10.1029/2020GC009430 |bibcode=2020GGG....2109430X |s2cid=228975484 }}</ref> Nedostatok cinka vlivaje na priblizno dva miliardy ljudij v razvivajučim se světu i jest svezanym s množstvom hvorob.<ref name="Prasad2003">{{Cite journal|last=Prasad|first =AS|title=Zinc deficiency : Has been known of for 40 years but ignored by global health organisations|journal=British Medical Journal |volume=326 |date=2003|pmid=12595353|pmc=1125304|doi=10.1136/bmj.326.7386.409|issue=7386|pages=409–410}}</ref> U dětij nedostatok cinka pričinjaje zaostalost rasta, zadrženo seksualno dozrěvanje, poddavajemost infekcijam i diareju.<ref name="Hambridge2007" /> Enzimy s atomom cinka v reaktivnom centru sut široko razprostranene v biohemiji, naprimer dehidrogenaza alkohola u člověka.<ref>{{Cite book |last1=Maret |first1=Wolfgang |chapter=Zinc and the Zinc Proteome |title=Metallomics and the Cell |date=2013 |publisher=Springer |isbn=978-94-007-5561-1 |editor1-last=Banci |editor1-first=Lucia |series=Metal Ions in Life Sciences |volume=12 |pages=479–501 |doi=10.1007/978-94-007-5561-1_14 |pmid=23595681}} </ref> Spotrěbenje izbytka cinka može pričinjati ataksiju, letargiju i deficit [[měd]]i. V morskyh biomah, osoblivo v polarnyh regionah, deficit cinka može ogrožati život spoločnostij primitivnyh vodorastij, čem potencialno destabilizuje složene morske trofične struktury, i takym putom vlivajuči na bioraznorodnost.<ref>{{Cite web |last=Anglia |first=University of East |title=Zinc vital to evolution of complex life in polar oceans |url=https://phys.org/news/2022-06-zinc-vital-evolution-complex-life.html |access-date=2023-09-03 |website=phys.org |language=en}}</ref> Messing, stopjenje mědi i cinka v različnyh proporcijah, upotrěbjal se uže v tretjem tysečlětju prěd n.e. v Egejskom regionu i v regionah, kde tutdenj nahodet se [[Irak]], [[Sjedinene Arabske Emiraty|Sjedinjene Arabske Emiraty]], [[Kalmykija]], [[Turkmenistan]] i [[Gruzija]]. Vo vtorom tysečlětju prěd n.e. on se upotrěbjal v regionah, ktore tutdenj vključajut Zapadnu [[Индија|Indiju]], [[Uzbekistan]], [[Iran]], [[Sirija|Siriju]], [[Irak]] i [[Izraelj]].<ref>{{Cite book|url=http://www.safarmer.com/Indo-Eurasian/Brass2007.pdf|title=Of brass and bronze in prehistoric Southwest Asia|last=Thornton|first=C. P.|date=2007|publisher=Archetype Publications|isbn=978-1-904982-19-7|url-status=live|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150924093433/http://www.safarmer.com/Indo-Eurasian/Brass2007.pdf|archive-date=September 24, 2015}}</ref><ref name="Greenwood1997">{{Cite book |last1=Greenwood |first1=N. N. |last2=Earnshaw |first2=A. |title=Chemistry of the Elements |edition=2nd |publisher=Butterworth-Heinemann |location=Oxford |year=1997 |isbn=978-0-7506-3365-9 }}</ref><ref name="jas5">{{Cite journal|last=Craddock|first=Paul T.|date=1978|title=The composition of copper alloys used by the Greek, Etruscan and Roman civilizations. The origins and early use of brass|journal=Journal of Archaeological Science|volume=5|issue=1|pages=1–16|doi=10.1016/0305-4403(78)90015-8}}</ref> [[Metal|Metaličny]] cink ne proizvodil se v vysokom objemu, dokud jego ne načali produkovati v Indiji v 12-m stolětju, jednakože byl znajemym davnym rimjanam i grekam.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.rsc.org/periodic-table/element/30/zinc | title=Zinc – Royal Society Of Chemistry | url-status=live|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20170711095949/http://www.rsc.org/periodic-table/element/30/zinc | archive-date=July 11, 2017}}</ref> Rudniky Radžastana sut davali oprěděljene dokazy proizvodstva cinka ješče v 6-m stolětju prěd n.e.<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://www.infinityfoundation.com/mandala/t_es/t_es_agraw_zinc_frameset.htm |title=India Was the First to Smelt Zinc by Distillation Process |publisher=Infinityfoundation.com |access-date=April 25, 2014 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://arquivo.pt/wayback/20160516192708/http://www.infinityfoundation.com/mandala/t_es/t_es_agraw_zinc_frameset.htm |archive-date=May 16, 2016 }}</ref> Najstarše priznaky čistogo cinka sut najdene v Zavaru, v Radžastanu, kde v 9-m stolětju prěd n.e. byl priměnjeny proces distilacije za produkciju čistogo cinka.<ref>{{Cite journal |author=Kharakwal, J. S. |author2=Gurjar, L. K. |name-list-style=amp |title=Zinc and Brass in Archaeological Perspective |journal=Ancient Asia |date=December 1, 2006 |volume=1 |pages=139–159 |doi=10.5334/aa.06112 |doi-access=free }}</ref> Alhemiki sut palili cink na vozduhu da by iztvoriti to, čto se nazyvalo "filozofična volna" ili "běly sněg". Element dostal nazvu věrojetno od alhemika Paracelsa od {{Jezyky|de|Zinke}} (zubec, zub). Mni se, že čisty metaličny cink v roku 1746 je odkryl němečsky hemik Andreas Sigismund Marggraf. Praca Luidžia Galvania i Alessandra Volty je izjavila lektrohemične svojstva cinka v r. 1800. Korozijno-odporno povlačenje želěza cinkom (goreče galvanizovanje) jest glavnym priměnjenjem cinka. Druge priměnenja sut v električnyh batarejah, v produkciji malyh nekonstrukcijnyh odlitkov i stopenjev, takyh kak messing. Množstvo sjediněnij cinka jest široko koristano, napriklad karbonat cinka i glukonat cinka (kako dopolnjenje k jedivu), hlorid cinka (v deodorantah), pirition cinka (šampony protiv lupam), sulfid cinka (v luminiscentnyh farbah), a takože dimetilcink ili dietilcink v organičnoj laboratoriji. ==Harakteristiky== ===Fizične svojstva=== Cink jest běly, slegka nebesky, blěskavy diamagnetičny [[metal]],<ref name="CRCp4-41">{{Cite book |title=Handbook of Chemistry and Physics |editor=David R. Lide |edition=87th |year=2006 |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=WDll8hA006AC&pg=PT893 |publisher=CRC Press, Taylor & Francis Group |location=Boca Raton, Florida |isbn=978-0-8493-0487-3 |ref=CITEREFCRC2006}}</ref> medžutym večšinstvo obyčajnyh komercialnyh marok tutogo metala imajut blědy izgled površiny.<ref name="Heiserman">{{Cite book |last=Heiserman |first=David L. |title=Exploring Chemical Elements and their Compounds |location=New York |publisher=TAB Books |isbn=978-0-8306-3018-9 |chapter=Element 30: Zinc |chapter-url=https://books.google.com/books?id=24l-Cpal9oIC |year=1992 |url=https://archive.org/details/exploringchemica01heis }}</ref> On jest nemnožko menje gusty, něž [[želězo]], i imaje heksagonalnu kristaličnu strukturu, s izopačenoju formoju heksagonalnoj blizkoj upakovki, vo ktoroj vseky atom imaje šest najblizših susedov (pri 265.9 {{-|pm}} ) vo svojej plošině, i šest drugyh na věčšej oddaljenosti na 290.6 {{-|pm}}.<ref name="Wells"> {{Cite book |title=Structural Inorganic Chemistry |author=Wells A.F. |edition=5-e |year=1984 |isbn=0-19-855370-6 |page=1277 }}</ref> Metal je tvrdy i lomlivy pri věčšinstvu temperatur, ale stavaje se kovnym medžu 100 i 150°{{-|C}} .<ref name="CRCp4-41" /> Nad 210°{{-|C}} metal stavaje se opet lomlivym i može byti razdrobjenym na prah bitjem.<ref>{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=SSkKAAAAIAAJ|title=The Useful Metals and Their Alloys|first=John|last=Scoffern|publisher=Houlston and Wright|date=1861|pages=591–603|access-date=April 6, 2009}}</ref> Cink jest dobrym vodičem električnosti.<ref name="CRCp4-41" /> Za metala, cink imaje relativno nizke temperatury topenja (419.5°{{-|C}} ) i vrěnja (907°{{-|C}} ).<ref name="ZincMetalProps">{{Cite web|url=http://www.galvanizeit.org/design-and-fabrication/design-considerations/zinc-metal-properties |title=Zinc Metal Properties |publisher=American Galvanizers Association |date=2008 |access-date=April 7, 2015 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150328205508/http://www.galvanizeit.org/design-and-fabrication/design-considerations/zinc-metal-properties |archive-date=March 28, 2015 |url-status=live }}</ref> Točka vrěnja u cinka jest najnizša od vsih {{-|d}}-blokovyh metalov, pomimo rtuti i kadmija; iz tutoj pričiny, cink, kadmij i rtut često razsmatrjaut se kako prěhodni metaly, podobno kako i ostalni {{-|d}}-blokovi metaly.<ref name="ZincMetalProps" /> Mnogo stopjenjev sodrživajut cink, kako i messing. Druge metaly, ktore stvarjaut s cinkom binarne stopjenja, sut [[aluminij]], [[antimon]], [[bismut]], [[zlato]], [[želězo]], [[rtut]], [[srěbro]], cin, [[magnezij]], [[kobalt]], [[nikel]], telur i [[natrij]].<ref>{{Cite journal|title=Production and Properties of Zinc: A Treatise on the Occurrence and Distribution of Zinc Ore, the Commercial and Technical Conditions Affecting the Production of the Spelter, Its Chemical and Physical Properties and Uses in the Arts, Together with a Historical and Statistical Review of the Industry|last=Ingalls|first=Walter Renton|journal=The Engineering and Mining Journal|date=1902|pages=142–6|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=RhNDAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA133}}</ref> Ače ni cink, ni cirkonij sut feromagnetični, jih stopjenje, {{-|ZrZn}}, ukazyvaje ferromagnetizm pod 35&nbsp;[[Kelvin|K]].<ref name="CRCp4-41" /> == Referencije == {{Iztočniky}} {{Prěvod|en|Zinc|}} [[Kategorija:Hemične elementy]] [[Kategorija:Metaly]] {{INTERWIKI|Q758}} catdocm9lhq7fa1bakoglxtoqrw69ve 0 775 28731 5112 2026-07-15T07:53:53Z MwGamera 13 -ě→-u 28731 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka grad | name = Da Nang | native_name = {{Jezyky|vi|Đà Nẵng}} | subdivision_name1 = [[Vietnam]] | utc_offset = +7 }} '''Da Nang''' ({{Jezyky|vi|Đà Nẵng}}) — jedin iz šesti gradov centralnogo podredženja v [[Vietnam]]u. Grad leži v sěvernoj česti Južno-centralnogo regiona, na 759 km od [[Hanoj]]a i na 960 km od [[Hošimin]]a. Prvymi žiteljami na teritoriji sovrěmennogo Da Nanga byli prěseljenci iz [[Indonezija|Indonezije]]. V 192 godu oni osnovali poseljenje Indrapura, pozdněje prěobraženo v jedno iz kraljevstv [[Čampa|Čampy]]. V času francuzskoj kolonizacije Indokitaja grad nosil ime Turan. Do 1997 goda Da Nang byl čestju provincije Kuangnam–Da Nang. 1 januara 1997 goda byl odděljen od provincije Kuangnam i dobyl status grada centralnogo podredženja. 1 julija 2025 goda teritorija provincije Kuangnam byla prisjedinjena k Da Nangu. Grad jest poděljen na 94 jedinice občinnogo uravnja: 23 kvartaly, 70 občin i 1 specialnu zonu (Hoangša — arhipelag, na ktory pretenduje [[Kitaj]]).<ref>{{Cite web |url=https://xaydungchinhsach.chinhphu.vn/sap-xep-dvhc-danh-sach-94-xa-phuong-dac-khu-cua-thanh-pho-da-nang-moi-119250622180811924.htm |title=Danh sách 94 xã, phường, đặc khu của thành phố Đà Nẵng mới |lang=vi |website=chinhphu.vn |date=2025-07-19 }}</ref> Podle prěpisa iz 2019 goda v Da Nangu žilo 1 134 310 ljudij; [[Vieti]] tvorili okolo 99,5 % naseljenja.<ref>{{Cite web |url=https://www.gso.gov.vn/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Ket-qua-toan-bo-Tong-dieu-tra-dan-so-va-nha-o-2019.pdf |title=Completed results of the 2019 Viet Nam population and housing census |publisher=General Statistics Office |date=2020 |lang=en |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210110045730/https://www.gso.gov.vn/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Ket-qua-toan-bo-Tong-dieu-tra-dan-so-va-nha-o-2019.pdf |archive-date=2021-01-10}}</ref> Tradicijna bljuda grada Da Nanga sut [[mi kuang]] (lapša s maloju kolikostju buljona) i rybna [[bun ča]] v specifičnom lokalnom variantu; gid Mišelin rekomenduje jih kak bljuda, ktora trěba degustovati pri posěčenju Da Nanga.<ref>{{Cite web |url=https://ru.vietnamplus.vn/mishlen-danang-odno-iz-10-samih-luchshih-napravlenii-dlja-gastroturizma-v-2025-godu-post75853.vnp |title=Мишлен: Дананг – одно из 10 самых лучших направлений для гастротуризма в 2025 году |publisher=[[VietnamPlus]] |date=2025-02-17 |author= |lang=ru }}</ref> ==Linky i referencije== {{Iztočniky}} == Vnešnje linky == * ''Tuty članok sodrživaje prěklad iz članka {{-|«[[:ru:Дананг|Дананг]]»}} v Vikipediji na russkom ([https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Дананг&action=history spis avtorov]).'' {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} [[Kategorija:Grady v Aziji]] [[Kategorija:Vietnam]] {{INTERWIKI|Q25282}} njmufm8s2df4izw9165qt4qwqavudmd 0 803 28732 5277 2026-07-15T07:59:51Z MwGamera 13 -ě→-u; ЫоуТубе 28732 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=2025-08}} '''Dmitrij Aleksandrovič Bačilo''' ({{Jezyky|ru|Дмитрий Александрович Бачило}}, urodženy 10 junija 1985 goda v [[Novosibirsk]]u). [[Rosija|Rosijsky]] IT bloger, snimaje različne videa o kompjuterah, igrovyh konsolah, generalno o staroj tehnikě. Imaje {{-|[[YouTube]]}}-kanal s 135 tyseč subskribentov<ref>{{Cite web | url=https://youtube.com/@BachiloDmitry/ | title="Дмитрий Бачило" na {{-|YouTube}}}}</ref>. Imaje muzej kompjuternoj tehniky v Novosibirsku. Jest syn rosijskogo pisatelja [[Aleksandr Bačilo|Aleksandra Bačilo]]. == Vněšnje linky == {{DEFAULTSORT:Bačilo, Dmitrij}} [[Kategorija:Rusi]] [[Kategorija:Blogeri]] {{INTERWIKI|Q135648665}} lk30czg99nmuu7t1azvi3x16v4eu2gj 0 838 28736 5546 2026-07-15T08:08:31Z MwGamera 13 /* Historija */ ě v linktrailu 28736 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Ekonomika''' (takože '''ekonomija''') jest [[socialna nauka]] o produkciji, raspredělenju, obměnu i spotrěbovanju blag v spoločenstvu.<ref>Samuelson, Paul A.; Nordhaus, William D. ''Ekonomika''. McGraw-Hill, 2010.</ref> Ekonomika izučaje sposob, kako ljudi, biznesy i družstva rasprěděljaut ograničene [[resurs]]y medžu proizvodženjem, [[Distribucija|distribucijeju]] i [[Konsumovati|konsumovanjem]] [[tovar]]ov i [[Usluga|uslug]]. Po definiciji ekonomika razsmatrjaje, kak ljudi dělajut izbory medžu neogrančennymi potrěbami i ograničennymi resursami; tojta nauka jest svězana s [[Politika|politikoju]], [[pravo]]m i [[biznes]]om, i imaje dva glavnyh razděla — [[mikroekonomika]] i [[makroekonomika]]. Mikroekonomika fokusuje se na izbory individa i firm, a makroekonomika razsmatrjae [[Ekonomičny sistem|ekonomične]] [[Sistema|sistemy]] v cělosti, napriklad, [[Inflacija|inflaciju]], [[Bezrobota|bezrobotu]], ekonomičny rast ili [[Fiskalna politika|fiskalnu]] i [[Monetarna politika|monetarnu]] politiku. == Terminologija == Slovo '''ekonomika''' proizhodi od grečskogo {{Jezyky|el|οἰκονομία}} (''oikonomía'' – „upravjanje domom“), ktore proizhodi od starogrečskyh ''οἶκος'' (''[[dom]]'') i ''νόμος'' (''zakon, pravilnik'') i označaje ''pravila gospodarstva''. Terminologia ekonomiki jest skonstruovana kako: ''[[tovar]]'' jest [[prědmet]]om, ktory može byti proizvodženy i spotrěbjeny; ''[[usluga]]'' jest nematerialny [[produkt]], ktory zadovoljaje potrěby; ''[[cěna]]'' jest [[godnost]] tovara ili uslugi; ''[[rezerv]]y'' sut ograničene osnovy, napriklad [[resurs]]y prirody; a ''[[trg]]'' jest město ili [[sistema]], kde se shodet kupcy i prodavcy. Ekonomika obyčno děli se na dva glavne podrazděla: * '''[[Mikroekonomika]]''' – izučaje postupanje oddělnyh ljudij, domogospodarstv i firm. * '''[[Makroekonomika]]''' – izučaje cělu nacionalnu ekonomiku: [[Inflacija|inflaciju]], [[Deflacija|deflaciju]], [[gruby nacionalny produkt]] (GNP) i ekonomičny rast. == Historija == Korene ekonomičskoj myslje ljudstva sut od starověčnosti. Antičny filozof [[Aristotelj]] jest razlišaval domacyu ''oikonomia'' i čisto ''[[Hrematistika|hrematistiku]]'' (uměnje kupovati i prodavati za profit). Jesče v IV věku prěd n. e. Ksenofont jest napisal dělo pod imenom «Domostroj» - «O ekonomiji» (davnogr. "Οἰκονομικός"), koje Ciceron jest prěložil na latinsky jezyk kako ''Oeconomicus''. V srědnjevěčnoj Evropě [[Tomaso Akvinsky]] jest razmysljal o pravednoj cěně i morálnyh aspektah trgovanja. Moderna ekonomika povstala v [[Věk|18. stolětju]] s dělom ''[[Bogastvo narodov|Bogatstvo narodov]]'' škotskogo filozofa [[Adam Smit|Adama Smita]], ktory opisyval, kako ''nevidima ruka'' [[trg]]a može koordinovati proizvodženje i distribuciju bez centralnogo [[Planovanje|planovanija]]. V [[Věk|19. stolětju]] ekonomist [[David Rikardo]] razvil teoriju [[Komparativna přednost|komparativnoj přednosti]], ktora podčrknula koryst [[Medżunarodno trgovanje |medżunarodnogo trgovanja]]. Němec [[Karl Marks]] viděl ekonomiku kako borbu medżu [[Sociologija#Socialjna klasa|socialjnymi klasami]] v kapitalističnoi [[Proizvodna sistema|proizvodnoj sistemě]]. V [[Věk|20. stolětju]] [[Džon Mejnard Kejns]] jest prědstavil [[Kejnesizm|kejnesiansku]] teoriju, ktora dava veliku rolju [[Vlada|vladě]] pri stabilizaciji ekonomiky črěz [[Fiskalna politika|fiskalne]] i monetarne instrumenty. V opoziciji k něj stojet [[Klasična ekonomika|neoklasična]] i [[Monetarizm|monetaristična]] školy, ktore podčrkivajut ograničenu rolju vlady. == Mikroekonomika == '''Mikroekonomika''' izučaje izbory individa i firm: kako ljudi kupujut i [[Prodavanje|prodavajut]], kako opreděljajut [[Cěna|cěny]]. Temami mikroekonomiky sut takože [[kontrakt]]y, teorija [[Igra (teorija)|igr]], [[Informacija|informacijna]] pogreška, [[nesovršena konkurencija]] i [[Eksternalnost|eksternosti]]. Mikroekonomika koncentruje se na izborah individa i firm i analizuje, kako oni ocěnivajut tovar i formujut cěny, i kako se [[popytka i dostavka]] srečajut se na [[trg]]u. == Makroekonomika == '''Makroekonomika''' razmatrjaje ekonomiku v cělom: ohodinu, inflaciju, bezrobotu, ekonomičny rost i cikly. V odličnosti od mikroekonomiky, ona izučaje agregovane ukazatelje (take kako [[gruby nacionalny produkt]] (GNP), [[indeks cěn spotrěbitelja]] (ICS) i [[indeks promyslnogo proizvodstva]]) i formuje modele, ktore pomagajut upravjati ekonomičnoju politikoju. V makroekonomikě se takože izučaje [[Fiskalna politika|fiskalna]] i [[monetarna politika]] vlady, a takože medžunarodne finansy i kursy valuty. == Ekonomične indikatory == Ekonomika operuje s mnogymi indikatorami, ktore služet kako barometr ekonomičnogo zdravja. Dva osnovne indikatory sut: '''Gruby nacionalny produkt (GNP)''' — měra cělogo iztvorjenja tovarov i služb v danoj zemji ili regionu. Rast GNP v času pokazyvaje na ekonomičny rost. '''Indeks cen spotrebitelja (ICS)''' — [[statistika]] čisl, ktora měri srědnu [[Inflacija|inflaciju]] črěz slědovanje cěn košika tovarov i služb. Daljše važne indikatory vključajut [[koeficient bezrabotici]], [[indeks promyslnogo proizvodstva]], [[platežny balans]] i [[Valuta|kurs valuty]]. Ekonomisti koristajut tojte ukazatelje dlja prognozovanja. == Ekonomične discipliny == Ekonomika imaje mnogo specializacij, ktore razvijajut osnovnu mikro- i makroanalizu v oprědělenyh oblastah: '''[[Medžunarodna ekonomika]]''' izučaje trgovinu i financy medžu državami, vključno s [[mytnica]]mi, kursami i [[Globalizacija|globalizacijeju]]. '''[[Razvojna ekonomika]]''' analizuje problěmy [[razvoj]]a i [[Nudža|nudži]] v nerazvityh regionah, so srědiščem na ekonomičnom rastu, zdravju i školstvu. '''[[Ekologična ekonomika]]''' ili ekonomika okolnoj prirody imaje prědmetom vliv ekonomičnoj aktivnosti na [[Obsrědina|obsrědinu]] i formuje politiky za [[ustaljeny razvoj]]. '''[[Ekonomika prace]]''' izučaje [[trg raboty]], bezraboticu, [[Zarabotok|zarabotky]] i [[sindikat]]y. '''[[Finansova ekonomika]]''' analizuje [[trg kapitala]] i investicije, [[bank]]y i [[Finansova sistema|finansove sistemy]]. '''[[Ekonomika zdravja]]''' i '''[[ekonomika edukaciji]]''' izučajut, kak resursy v zdravju i školě vplyvajut na [[družstvo]]. == Ekonomične sistemy == [[Ekonomična sistema]] jest struktura, črěz ktoru družstvo organizuje proizvodstvo i distribuciju. Glavne typy sut: '''Tržna (kapitalistična) sistema''', kde [[privatna vlast]] i [[trg]]y opredělajut proizvodstvo i cěny, s minimalnym vmešanjem vlady. '''Planovana sistema''', kde vlada oprěděljaje proizvodstvo, cěny i distribuciju. Centralno planovanje bylo tipično v sovětskom [[socializm]]u. '''Směšana sistema''', kde vlada i tržny mechanizmy obadva igrajut rolju; to jest najobyčnějši tip v sovrěmennych državah. == Ekonomika i politika == Ekonomika jest těsno svezana s [[Politika|politikoju]]; vlady upotrěbjajut ekonomično znanje, da by formovati [[Fiskalna politika|fiskalnu]] i [[Monetarna politika|monetarnu]] politiku, regulovati [[trg]]y i prědviděti poslědice regulacij. Različne [[Ekonomična škola|ekonomične školy]] (napriměr kejnsianska, [[Neoklasična ekonomika|neoklasična]], [[Monetarizm|monetaristična]], [[Avstrijska škola (ekonomika)|avstrijska škola]]) imajut različne ideje o roljah vlady i trga. Ekonomične ideje često vplyvajut na [[Izbori|politične programy]] i [[Vlada|vlady]]. == Učenje ekonomiky == [[Ekonomist]]i v akademiji i na praktikě imajut prědmetom odnošenje medžu resursami i proizvodstvom tovarov i služb. Oni posluživajut [[Matematika|matematiku]] i [[Statistika|statistiku]] (napriměr, [[ekonometrija]]), eksperimenty i modele za analizovanje realnyh situacij i formulovanje prognoz. V univerzitah ekonomika se děli na osnovne kursy mikro- i makroekonomiki, a takože na specifične oblasti, napriměr [[medžunarodno trgovanje]], [[finansy]], [[razvoj]] i [[Ekologična politika|politika ekologije]]. == Gledajte takože == * [[Makroekonomika]] * [[Mikroekonomika]] * [[Ekonomičny sistem]] * [[Finansy]] == Iztočniki == {{Iztočniky}} == Vněšnje linky == * [https://www.imf.org/ International Monetary Fund (MVF)] * [https://www.worldbank.org/ Svetovy Bank] * [https://www.oecd.org/ Organizacija za ekonomičnu surabotu i razvitje (OECD)] * [https://www.britannica.com/topic/economics Encyclopaedia Britannica: Economics] [[Kategorija:Ekonomika| ]] [[Kategorija:Socialne nauky]] {{INTERWIKI|Q8134}} 9jru37gidexgdmlik58osuz5a1im571 0 856 28737 5696 2026-07-15T08:15:26Z MwGamera 13 /* */ -ě→-u 28737 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka osoba | gender = f | name = Erika Seleš | native_name = {{Jezyky|hu|Szeles Erika Kornélia}} | image = | birth_date = 1941-01-06 | birth_place = [[Budapešt]], [[Vugrija]] | death_date = 1956-11-08 | death_place = [[Budapešt]], [[Vugrija]] | occupation = * učenica kuharskogo remesla * povstančsky bojec, sanitarka }} '''Erika Kornelija Seleš''' ({{Jezyky|hu|Szeles Erika Kornélia}}; 6 januara 1941, [[Budapešt]] — 7/8 novembra 1956, [[Budapešt]]) — [[Vugrija|madjarskaja]] heroina i mučenica [[Madjarsko povstanje 1956|Madjarskogo povstanja 1956 roka]], židovskogo proizhodženja. Byla učestnicoju antikomunističnogo suprotivlenja sovetskim vojskam v [[Budapešt]]u, kde byla ubita vojakami sovetskoj armiji v věku 15 lět. Fotografija, ktoru sdělal dansky fotograf {{LatCyr|Vagn Hansen|Вагн Хансен|Vagn Hansen|1}} dlja danskogo časopisa ''Billed Bladet'' i ktora pokazuje Eriku s avtomatom v rukah, stala jednym iz najznamenitějših obrazov svobodoljubivogo povstanja v Vozhodnoj Evropě XX věka.<ref name="mazsihisz">Tossenberger Adél, [https://web.archive.org/web/20161023135022/http://mazsihisz.hu/vakbarat.php?nid=1004 «Újabb sírra bukkantunk: megoldódik az Erika-rejtély?»], mazsihisz.hu</ref> == Biografija == === Proizhodženje i dětstvo === Erika Seleš rodila se 6 januara 1941 goda v [[Budapešt]]u, v XIII. okrugu grada,<ref name="inmemoriam">Horváth Miklós, Tulipán Éva, ''In memoriam 1956'', Zrínyi Kiadó, Budapešt, 2006, str. 230.</ref> v rodině madjarskyh židov. Jej otec, {{LatCyr|Szeles (Schlesinger) Sándor|Шандор Селеш (Шлезингер)|Šandor Seleš (Šlezinger)|1}} (1898–1944), pogibl v [[Holokost]]u — umrl ili v nacistskom konclageru, ili od glada v budapeštskom getu v 1944 godu.<ref name="szombat">«Nyaklövés végzett a 15 éves kislánnyal: rátaláltunk az '56-os szimbólum sírjára», [http://www.szombat.org/hirek-lapszemle/804-nyakloves-vegzett-a-15-eves-kislannyal-ratalaltunk-az-56os-szimbolum-sirjara szombat.org]</ref><ref name="mazsihisz2">[https://web.archive.org/web/20161026104709/http://mazsihisz.hu/-voros-haju,-szeplos,-zsido-szarmazasu-kislany-volt----rabukkantunk-a-forradalom-titokzatos-jelkepere--426.html «"Vörös hajú, szeplős, zsidó származású kislány volt" — Rábukkantunk a forradalom titokzatos jelképére!»], mazsihisz.hu</ref> Jej mama, {{LatCyr|Blumenfeld Noémi|Ноэми Блюменфельд|Noemi Blumenfeld|1}} (1911–1990), rabotala kako mašinistka v jednom prědprijatiju.<ref name="kokobaki">«"Az anyukája ordítva sírt és könyörgött neki" — Újabb részletek az Erika-rejtélyből», [http://kokobaki.gportal.hu/gindex.php?pg=29793483&nid=5023091 kokobaki.gportal.hu]</ref> Mama byla ubědženoju komunistkoju — «skoro religiozno», kako pisali o njej — i kogda došla věst o smrti Stalina, ona vpadla v histeriju, dostala histeričny napad i omdlěla.<ref name="kokobaki"/> Erika rostla samotno: mama mnogo rabotala, a děte provodilo večšu čest časa samo. Susědi pozdněje govorili, že «Erika često byla ostavjena sama i mnogo vrěmena provodila u nas».<ref name="kokobaki"/> Od trěh lět mama sama strogo vospityvala dočer v kvartirě Bezerédi ulica 11., II. etaž, kv. 2 v VIII. okrugu Budapešta, v trojnom poděljenom najmu.<ref name="kokobaki"/> Pozdněje byvša školna tovariška opisyvala Eriku kako «rydžovlasu, pěgavu děvčinu», s rastom okolo 165 cm.<ref name="fotomuveszet">Jalsovszky Katalin, [http://fotomuveszet.net/korabbi_szamok/200803/ajandek_daniabol «Vagn Hansen dán fotóriporter felvételei az 1956-os forradalomról»], fotomuveszet.net</ref> Ta školna tovariška takože vozpomněla: «Byla velmi protivorěčivoju osoboju. Velmi aktivna, komunikativny člověk, ale privatne žitje silno ohranjala. Ne iměla mnogo prijateljev v klasu. Iz klasa nikogo ne zaprašala k sobě do doma.»<ref name="mazsihisz2"/> Obratili sut takože vnimanje na jejnu neobyčajnu odědžu: v časy, kogda vsi nosili flaneleve suknje i pletene kardigany, u Eriki bylo několiko krasnyh suknij neznajemogo kroja iz neobyčajnyh materialov — one prihodili v posylkah.<ref name="mazsihisz2"/> V koncu 1940-yh lět Erika tri měsece prožila v [[Danija|Daniji]] po zaprosu organizacije ''Rädda Barnen'' «Spasimo děti» ({{Jezyky|da|Red Barnet}}), ktora pomagala dětem v razrušenyh vojnoju krajinah.<ref name="mazsihisz2"/> Tam ona naučila se danskomu jezyku — čto okazalo se važnym pri strěči s fotografom Hansenom. === Učenje === Osnovnu školu Erika skončila v znamenitoj {{LatCyr|Fővárosi Általános Leányiskola|Столичној обчеобразоватељној женској школє|Stoličnoj občeobrazovateljnoj ženskoj školě|1}} na Köztársaság tér 4.<ref name="mazsihisz2"/> Poslě osnovnoj školy ne pošla v srědnju školu, ale pristupila kako učenica kuharskogo remesla v hotelu {{LatCyr|Béke Szálló|«Бекe Саллo»|Béke Szálló|1}} na Teréz körút 43 v Budapeštu.<ref name="hu-inmemoriam">Horváth Miklós, Tulipán Éva, ''In memoriam 1956'', Zrínyi Kiadó, Budapešt, 2006, str. 230.</ref> V tom samom hotelu v 1956 godu rabotal kako revizor ekonomist dr. {{LatCyr|Almerigo Fonda|Альмерико Фонда|Almerigo Fonda|1}}, ktory s Erikoju tri měsece tanceval v narodnoj tancevalnoj grupě. Po jegovyh vozpomněnjah, Erika byla tiha, sdržljiva, usměhnena, ale zamknjena: «nikako ne privlěkala na sebe vnimanje, tiho vpisyvala se v kolektiv». Fonda dumaje, že jejina zamknjenost byla čestično poslědok kompleksa menšocěnnosti: medžu tancerjami byli mašinistka, recepcionist i revizor — vsi vyšego položenja, neželi učenica kuharskogo remesla.<ref name="hu-inmemoriam"/> Na literaturnyh večerinkah, ktore organizoval jejin ujec, dirižer, pisatelj i konferansje {{LatCyr|Bondi Endre|Эндре Бонди|Endre Bondi |1}}, učestvovala takože i Erika. Žurnalist {{LatCyr|Földes Tamás|Тамаш Фёлдеш|Tamaš Feldeš|1}}, ktory v 1956 godu byl na 3–4 lěta starši od Eriki, pozdněje vozpomněl: «Togda uže 15-lětna děvčina s neočekyvanoju zrělostju pristupala k našim slovesnym dvobojam. Iměla mněnje o sporah v [[Kružok Petőfi|kružku Petőfi]], gorjučimi očami nadějala se na někaku demokratičnu obnovu.»<ref name="szombat"/> Feldeš takože opisal jejin izgled: «Byla skorěje podobna do divokoj děvčiny, nežli do mladoj damy. Vlasy strigla po-mužsky kratko, ohotněje hodila v nogavicah, než v suknji.»<ref name="szombat"/> V 1952–1953 godah Erika byla pionerkoju, ale pod vlivom staršego prijatelja proniknula se antikomunističnymi idejami i načela posěščati sobranija [[Kružok Petőfi|kružka Petőfi]], kde diskutovali o demokratičnyh prěměnah.<ref name="szombat"/><ref name="thefemalesoldier">«Erika Szeles», [http://thefemalesoldier.com/blog/erika-szeles thefemalesoldier.com]</ref> === Povstanje 1956 === Kogda 23 oktobra 1956 roka v Budapeštu počalo se vsenarodno antikomunistično povstanje, 15-lětna Erika pristupila k grupě bojcev za svobodu. Toj samy starši prijatelj, ktory prěd tym privedl ju k idejam antikomunizma, privedl ju i v redy povstancev.<ref name="berlingske">«A hős Erika halott», ''Berlingske Tiende'', 14. novembra 1981.</ref> Několiko tovarišev iz kuharskoj školy takože pristupilo k grupě.<ref name="thefemalesoldier"/> Bojci učili ju koristati avtomat. V hodě oktobrskyh bojev s sovetskimi vojskami Erika aktivno učestvovala v bojah s oružjem v rukah — držala sovetsky avtomat {{LatCyr|PPSh-41|ППШ-41|PPŠ-41|1}} i pistolet {{LatCyr|FÉG 48M|ФЭГ 48М|FÉG 48M|1}}.<ref name="thefemalesoldier"/> Okolo 1. novembra, kogda sovetske vojska iznova vstupali v [[Vugrija|Vugriju]] i prijatelji Eriki znali o tom, oni ubědili ju odložiti oružje: byla ješče prěmnogo mlada, da by riskovala životom.<ref name="thefemalesoldier"/> Erika soglasila se i poslě 4. novembra pristupila kako dobrovoljna sanitarka [[Črveny križ|Črvenogo križa]].<ref name="mazsihisz"/> ==== Fotografija ==== Okolo 1. novembra 1956 roka dansky fotokorespondent {{LatCyr|Vagn Hansen|Вагн Хансен|Vagn Hansen|1}} strětil Eriku na ulici Budapešta. Ona stojala v ušankě i vatniku, s russkym avtomatom na plečah, i usměhala se.<ref name="mazsihisz"/> Kogda Hansen pristupil k njej, Erika — znajuči dansky — sama mogla s njim besědovati i govorila jemu o sobě. Imene i familije fotografa ona ne znala — rěkla jemu toliko svoje ime.<ref name="szombat"/> Hansen pozdněje povědal: «Slučajno mně udalo se sdělati fotografiju, ktora obšla svět i stala simvolom revolucije. Ja viděl děvčinu s serioznym pogledom v vatniku, s russkym avtomatom na plečah i ubědil ju, da by mně dozvolila sdělati několiko fotografij.»<ref name="maimanohaz">[http://maimanohaz.blog.hu/2012/10/23/vagn_hansen_billed_bladet_1956 «Vagn Hansen — Billed Bladet 1956/11»], maimanohaz.blog.hu</ref> Pozdněje togo samogo dnja i několiko inyh čudžinnyh fotografov sdělali snimky Eriki — na vsih ona nosi tu samu oděžu.<ref name="mazsihisz"/> Fotografija {{LatCyr|Vagn Hansen|Вагн Хансен|Vagn Hansen|1}} pojavila se na titulnoj stranici danskogo časopisa ''Billed Bladet'' (izdanje od 13. novembra 1956) i stala simvolom madjarskogo povstanja dlja zapadnoj publiki.<ref name="hirhatar">[https://web.archive.org/web/20161026080457/http://hirhatar.com/erika-meghalt-1956-november-7-en/ «Erika meghalt 1956. november 7-én»], hirhatar.com</ref> Izgled mladoj heroiny v tipičnoj sovetskoj oděžě byl tako protivorěčivy, že mnogi nepravilno priznavajut madjarsku bojovnicu za svobodu za sovetsku partizanku — i v pozdnějših desetolětjah v Rosiji razni falsifikatori historije publikovali jejin obraz, vydavajuči ju za russku partizanku ili simvol komunizma, čim ona sama točno ne byla.<ref>[http://www.yaplakal.com/forum2/topic998373.html Ватники - символ Победы]</ref>. === Izguba === 8 novembra 1956 roka, v času uličnoj borby v okolici [[Blaha Lujza tér]], Erika kako sanitarka priběgla pomogti ranjenomu borcu. Pri toj misiji sovetski karatelji porazili ju polnym ognjom iz avtomata — smrtne ranjenje v šiju — i ona umrla na městě boja.<ref name="thefemalesoldier"/><ref name="berlingske"/> «Ona iměla na sobě skoro cělu nabojnu lentu. Ovezali ju križ-nakriž, i ješče na njej byla oděža s črvenym križem» — tako povědal susěd {{LatCyr|Ivanits György|Иванич Дьёрдj|Ivanič Djordj|1}}.<ref name="kokobaki2">«"Bejött géppisztollyal és megrettentem tőle" — fény derült a 15 éves lány tragédiájának utolsó részleteire», [http://kokobaki.gportal.hu/gindex.php?pg=29793483&nid=5792302 kokobaki.gportal.hu]</ref> Togo samogo utra {{LatCyr|Ivanits György|Иванич Дьёрдj|Ivanič Djordj|1}} viděl Eriku v poslědny raz: ona prišla s prijateljem-povstancem, nabivala naboje v lentu i rěkla, že ide spasati ranjenyh. «Mama kričala plačuči i proseči ju ne idti, kako by čula, že ubijut ju.»<ref name="kokobaki"/> Pozdněje mama Eriky po cělom Budapeštu iskala dočer: v bolnicah, morgah i u znajučih ljudij. {{LatCyr|Árki József|Арки Йожеф|Arki Jožef|1}} — školny tovariš Eriki iz kuharskoj školy — toliko několiko dnjev pozdněje smogl skazati jij mamě o smrti jejnoj dočery.<ref name="mazsihisz"/> 14 novembra 1956 roka Erika Seleš byla pogrebena na {{LatCyr|Fiumei úti sírkert|гробишчу Фиумеј|grobišču Fiumej|1}} ([[Kerepeške grobišče|Kerepeškom grobišču]]) v Budapeštu, v parceli 21, red 1, grob 24.<ref name="nori">[https://web.archive.org/web/20161023161752/http://nori.gov.hu/nemzeti-sirkert/budapest/fiumei-uti-temeto/szeles-erika-kornelia/10673 «Szeles Erika Kornélia sírhelye»], nori.gov.hu</ref><ref name="findagrave">[http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=103704387 «Szeles Erika Kornélia»], findagrave.com</ref> Jejno polno ime jest na mramornoj tablici «Hrabri mrtvi i nevinne žrtvy Revolucije i bojci za svobodu 1956, pogrebene na tom grobu». Na grobnom kamenu stoji napis: «Nezabytočna jedina draga děvčinka moja Erika, 1941.I.6. — 1956.XI.7.»<ref name="szombat"/> V 1990 roku byla pogrebena jej mama Noemi — pod svojim zamužnjem imenjem {{LatCyr|Szeles Sándorné Blumenfeld Noémi|Селеш Шандорне Блюменфельд Ноэми|Seleš Šandorne Blumenfeld Noemi|1}} — na {{LatCyr|Kozma utcai izraelita temető|Израелском гробишчу на ул. Козма|Izraelskom grobišču na ul. Kozma|1}}, v občej grobnici s jejnymi roditeljami.<ref name="mazsihisz"/> == Iskanje Eriky == === Hening Šulc i Vagn Hansen === {{LatCyr|Henning Schultz|Хеннинг Шульц|Hening Šulc|1}} v 1956 roku, buduči 15-lětnym učenikom v Kopenhagenu, byl zahvačeny madjarskoju revolucijeju zajedno so svojimi drugami.<ref name="fotomuveszet"/> Entuziazm toliko usilili velikolěpe fotografije, sdělane {{LatCyr|Vagn'om Hansen'om|Вагном Хансеном|Vagnom Hansenom|1}} v poslědnje dnji oktobra v Madjariji i opublikovane v najvyše avtoritetnom danskom tydennom časopisu ''Billed Bladet''. Na njego i jegovyh soškoljnikov veliko vpečatlěnje sdělala fotografija Eriky, razměščena na prvoj stranicě gazety 13 novembra 1956 goda. On byl jednym iz tyh danskyh podrastkov, ktori poljubili Eriku po fotografiji.<ref name="mazsihisz"/> Mlada děva so serioznym pogledom i vlnistymi vlasami, zobražena na fotografiji, zažgla romantično voobraženje mladeži, potomu že, po jih mněnju, ona byla cělkom ne podobna na danske děvy. «My vsi poljubili ju, my myslili, že ona jest veljmi silna, směla i krasna», — pripominaje {{LatCyr|Schultz|Шульц|Šulc|1}}. V podrastkovom věku on skryl tri nomery ''Billed Bladet'', a uže v dorastlosti našel fotografiju Eriky v skrinji medžu svojimi školnymi učebnikami. V podpisu pod fotografijeju v gazetě bylo ukazano ime Erika, ale vyše ničto ne bylo izvěstno o tutoj směloj děvě v vatnom palto. On često myslil o tom, da by jednokrato prijehati do Madjarije i najdti model s takoju privabljivoju obložkoju. V 2006 roku, prěd 50. godišnjiceju revolucije, on rěšil iskati Eriku i dati jej stare gazety. Najprvo Šulc proboval najdti ju s pomočju internet-forumov, ale bezuspěšno, zato on odpravil se do Madjarije, da by najdti dodatnu informaciju. V novembru 2006 goda on posětil Historičny fotoarhiv {{LatCyr|Magyar Nemzeti Múzeum|Мадьjарского народного музеја|Madjarskogo narodnogo muzeja|1}} kako izslědovatelj. Fotoarhiv muzeja ne prědostavil jemu informacije, ktora mogla by pomoč v iskanju děvy, jednakože on podaril gazetu zajedno s dvoma drugymi nomerami togo že perioda fotoarhivu. On potratil mnogo vrěmene na iskanje, poprosil několiko madjarskyh gazet opublikovati fotografiju Eriky, na slučaj, ako něhto ju pozna. Iz madjarskyh iztočnikov on ničto ne uznal, hoč po jegovoj prosbě fotografija byla opublikovana v ''Magyar Nemzet'' (v nomeru od 25 novembra 2006 goda) i na web-sajtu Kabineta ministrov, posvečenom 1956 godu, ale bez rezultata. Šulc hotěl kupiti několiko fotografij dlja dopolnjenja zbirky {{LatCyr|Magyar Nemzeti Múzeum|Мадьjарского народного музеја|Madjarskogo narodnogo muzeja|1}}.<ref name="fotomuveszet"/> Šulc, ktory k tomu vrěmeni uže byl znajemy so starym fotografom, oběčal pomogti. Vrativši se do Danije, {{LatCyr|Henning Schultz|Хеннинг Шульц|Hening Šulc|1}} posětil {{LatCyr|Vagn Hansen|Вагна Хансена|Vagna Hansena|1}}, ktory byl gotov prodati 10–12 fotografij {{LatCyr|Magyar Nemzeti Múzeum|Мадьjарскому народному музеју|Madjarskomu narodnomu muzeju|1}}. Jednako, kogda rěč zašla o cěně, ktora daže po madjarskym měrkam byla ne prěveliko vysoka, izjasnilo se, že muzej ne može pokryti tutu sumu iz svojego budžeta na dopolnjenje zbirky. Poslě několiko elektronnyh pisem dělo, zdavalo se, zašlo v slěpy kut. Togda, uže jesenju 2007 goda, {{LatCyr|Henning Schultz|Хеннинг Шульц|Hening Šulc|1}} rěšil dějstvovati v jih interesah. Imajuči pismo s prědloženjem o kupovině, muzej podal zajavku v několiko fondov. Vesnoju 2008 goda fondy ''Axel Pitzner Fonden'' i ''Velux Fonden'' vydělili sumu, dostatočnu dlja sdělanja dogovora. {{LatCyr|Vagn Hansen|Вагн Хансен|Vagn Hansen|1}} nastaival na tom, da by sam vybral fotografije dlja muzeja, a potom v jegovom prisutstviju sdělal uveličenja s originalnyh negativov v jednoj iz najlěpših fotolaboratorij [[Kopenhagen]]a. V 2008 godu {{LatCyr|Henning Schultz|Хеннинг Шульц|Hening Šulc|1}} tržestveno prědal muzeju 12 podpisanyh fotografij razměrom 30x40 cm. Poslě togo {{LatCyr|Henning Schultz|Хеннинг Шульц|Hening Šulc|1}} natknul se na članok v jednoj iz vedučih danskyh gazet, ''Berlingske Tidende'', od 14 novembra 1981 goda pod nazvoju «Heroj Erika jest mrtva», v ktorom 56-lětny běženec, žijuči v Daniji, {{LatCyr|Árki József|Йожеф Арки |Jožef Arki |1}}, prědostavil dostověrne dany. Soglasno tutym danym, Erika učila se zajedno s njim na kuharja i črěz svojego druga, ktory byl na 3-4 goda starši od njej, popadla v krug revolucijonerov. {{LatCyr|Henning Schultz|Хеннинг Шульц|Hening Šulc|1}} prigotovil pismeno rezjume tutoj informacije dlja muzeja. === Otkrytje identičnosti === Internet-portal ''Hírszerző.hu'', formujuči obče mněnje, v 2008 godu načel zajmati se historijeju tajenstvenoj děvčinky i jej rodiny.<ref name="mazsihisz"/> Blagodareči članku ''Hírszerző'' i vystavě fotografij {{LatCyr|Vagn Hansen|Вагна Хансена|Vagna Hansena|1}} 1956 goda v Madjarskom narodnom muzeju vse vyše ljudij iz prošlosti načelo vstupati v kontakt, i historija Eriky stala vse vyše polnoju. Pročitavši članok ''Hírszerző'' i uviděvši fotografiju, byvši soškoljnik iz osnovnoj školy poznal děvčinku i identifikoval ju: zvali ju {{LatCyr|Szeles Erika|Эрика Селес|Erika Seleš|1}}, i ona pogibla heroičnoju smrtju v novembru 1956 goda v okolině trgovišča [[Blaha Lujza tér]].<ref name="mazsihisz"/> Blagodareči vystavě fotografij Hansena 1956 goda v Madjarskom narodnom muzeju Hansen uznal, kde počivaje děvčinka, a ''Hírszerző'' posětil grobišče Kerepesi i našel grob.<ref name="szombat"/> ==== Almerigo Fonda ==== Pod vpečatlěnjem od vystavy ekonomist dr. {{LatCyr|Almerigo Fonda|Альмерико Фонда|Almerigo Fonda|1}}, ktory tri měsece tancoval s Erikoju v grupě narodnogo tanca, podaril muzeju fotografiju, na ktoroj možno poznati {{LatCyr|Szeles Erika|Эрику Селес|Eriku Seleš|1}}. Iz vsih děvčin, zobraženyh na fotografiji, ne toliko jej sudba byla tragična: jedna iz njih, napriměr, umrla v 1956 godu v rezultatu neuspěšnogo aborta. ==== Tamaš Földes ==== Članok v ''Hírszerző'' pročital madjarsky žurnalist {{LatCyr|Földes Tamás |Тамаш Фёлдеш|Tamaš Földes|1}}, ktory emigroval v [[Sjedinjene Štaty Ameriky]] 23 oktobra 1983 goda, i ktory v 1956 roku byl na 3-4 goda starši od Eriky, zato oni ne byli blizki, a obměnjivali jedino několiko slov.<ref name="szombat"/> Po vozpomněnjam Földesa, Erika i on posěčali literaturny klub ujca děvčinky, {{LatCyr|Endre Bódi|Боди Эндре|Bodi Endre|1}}. «Jedino lětom 1956 goda, strětivši se na ulici, my prvy raz pogovorili několiko dolžeje. Pričinoju togo, že jej smrt vse že potresla mene, byl moj entuziazm 1956 roka, a potom slědujuči za njim šok — ne v poslědny red iz-za mojej ljubvi k Bondi Bandi». Földes raněje mnogokratno publikoval članok pod nazvoju «Žila-byla děvčinka» s vozpomněnjami o děvčinkě. V članku, v ktorom avtor jedino nejasno pametaje děvčinku, ktoru on nazyvaje Judit i ktoru on poznal po fotografiji Hansena, ne podavajut se točne dany, ale on byl opublikovany v {{LatCyr|Amerikai Magyar Hírlap|Американскоj мадјарскоj газетє|Amerikanskoj madjarskoj gazetě|1}}, izrailjskom {{LatCyr|Új Kelet|Новы изток|Novy iztok|1}} a v poslědny raz, v 2004 roku, pročitati jego i v Madjariji v časopisu ''Remény''. Sam po sebě članok ne dozvaljaje ustanoviti identičnost Eriky, jednakože opisy v njem vněktoryh momentah sovpadajut s informacijeju, polučenoju od byvših znajemyh děvčinky. ==== Bratja Ivanič ==== V 2009 roku v redakciju ''Hírszerző'' prišlo pismo od bratov Ivanič, ktori v 1956 godu žili s Erikoju v jednom domu po adresu ulica Bezeredi, 11, kde Erika prožila poslednje dnji svojego žitja.<ref name="kokobaki2"/> Šestilětny togda {{LatCyr|Ivanits György|Дьёрдj Иванич |Djordj Ivanič|1}} byl u Eriky, kogda děvčinka izšla na ulicu, kde ju zastrělili. ==== Arač Janoš ==== {{LatCyr|Aracs János|Арач Янош |Arač Janoš|1}} byl vrstnikom děvčinky i veljmi jej podobal se, ale, po jegovym slovam, u njih byli toliko neseriozne odnošenja.<ref name="kokobaki2"/> «Ona byla umnějša i vyše razvita od mene, ja gledal na nju s obdivom. Podobala mi se jej energičnost, jej vlasy, jej iznahodlivost». V čas revolucije oni strětili se v {{LatCyr|Royal Szálló|«Роял Саллo»|Royal Szálló|1}}: «Ona vošla v kuhnju s avtomatom, i ja prěstrašil se jej. Ja ne mogl sravniti se s jej věkom, jej zrělostju», — pripominaje o slučivšem se Janoš Arač, ktory v dětstvu ne razuměl, kako jegova mama mogla dozvoliti Erikě nositi oružje. ==== Pal Sekereš ==== Kako i Erika, {{LatCyr|Szekeres Pál|Пал Секереш|Pal Sekereš|1}} rabotal v hotelu Béke i znal Eriku.<ref name="kokobaki2"/> On govoril, že byvša kuharka, stavša revolucijonerkoju, ne byla pečalna, vsegda usměhala se i vsegda mogla vsim pomogti — jednako na fotografiji, ktora obletěla zapadnu presu, na nas gledaje uže drugo lice. Po slovam jej byvšego kolegy, Erika byla revolucijonerkoju.<ref name="kokobaki2"/> == Naslědstvo == Sudba Eriky Seleš jest odrazom cělogo pokolěnja. Jej otec pogynul v Holokaustu. Jej mama byla komunistkoju. Sama Erika stala se bojcem za svobodu i mučeniceju. V tutom protivorěčju — vsa složnost madjarskogo židovskogo izkušenja XX věka. Madjarsko povstanje 1956 goda ne bylo vystupom «bělyh kolb», fašistov ili buržuazije. Po socijalnoj statistikě učestnikov: rabotniki — 46,4%, vojenni i policijni — 16,3%, inteligencija — 9,4%, studenty — 7,4%, seljani, remeslniki, pensionery — 6,6%.<ref name="inmemoriam"/> Erika Seleš — s jejinym pohodženjem pomočnice kuharky i dětstvom v času Holokosta — organično vtěljaje toj socijalny portret narodnogo povstanja. Poslě padenja komunizma v Iztočnoj Evropě ime i obraz Eriky stali se simvolom smělosti i věrnosti svobodě. Na věčnu pamet heroiny v Madjariji nazvali jej imenem ulice i školy, a na Kerepeškom grobišču jej grob jest městom vsenarodnogo upokojenja. == Gledite takože == * [[Madjarsko povstanje 1956]] * [[Vugrija]] * [[Holokost v Vugriji]] == Iztočniky == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> == Vněšnje linky == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> * [http://thefemalesoldier.com/blog/erika-szeles Erika Szeles — The Female Soldier] * [https://web.archive.org/web/20161026080457/http://hirhatar.com/erika-meghalt-1956-november-7-en/ «Erika meghalt 1956. november 7-én»], hirhatar.com * [http://www.szeretlekmagyarorszag.hu/56-hosei-mire-bejarta-a-kepe-a-vilagot-mar-halott-volt-a-15-eves-kislany/ 56 hősei: Mire bejárta a képe a világot, már halott volt a 15 éves lány], szeretlekmagyarorszag.hu * [http://fotomuveszet.net/korabbi_szamok/200803/ajandek_daniabol «Ajándék Dániából — Vagn Hansen dán fotóriporter felvételei az 1956-os forradalomról»], fotomuveszet.net * [http://www.femina.hu/terasz/szeles-erika-1956 «Halálos lövés érte a 15 éves magyar lányt: külföldi címlapokra került 1956-ban»], femina.hu </div> {{Prěvod|hu|Szeles Erika Kornélia}} {{DEFAULTSORT:Seleš, Erika Kornelija}} [[Kategorija:Madjari]] [[Kategorija:Madjarskě židi]] [[Kategorija:Madjarsko povstanje 1956]] [[Kategorija:Ženy v vojně]] [[Kategorija:Historija Vugriji]] [[Kategorija:Vugrija]] [[Kategorija:Ljudi]] {{INTERWIKI|Q26769548}} lh3ckz6ad3y6wggcfow9k4w7ynzue6a 0 872 28738 5807 2026-07-15T08:31:37Z MwGamera 13 /* Obzor */ -ě→-u 28738 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Pravopis|data=2025-09}} [[Fajl:Hildegard von Bingen Liber Divinorum Operum.jpg|thumb|Miniatura «Vsesvětny člověk» iz knigy «Liber Divinorum Operum» Hildegardy Bingenjske, 1165]] '''Ezoterizm''' — оd ({{Jezyky|grc|ἐσωτερικός}} — «vnutrny»), '''ezoterika''' — cělo [[Gnozis|znanja]] — ustroj věrozakonov zvanyh tajna, hermetična ili ezoterična věda, predavana jedino izbranym osobam v protivnosti do javno dostupnoj egzoteričnoj vědy; v [[Religijoznavstvo|religijoznavstvu]] tendencija k utajenju časti věry ili [[Religiozny kult|religioznogo kultu]] prěd ogolom; v [[Filozofija|filozofiji]] terminy, ktore označujut teorije starožytnyh i srědnověčnyh škol, ktore byli predavany jedino izbranym učenikom<ref name=>{{Cite book | last1 =Encyklopedia PWN|title=ezoteryzm|date=2017}}</ref> <ref>[http://encyklopedia.interia.pl/nauki-spoleczne-humanistyka/news-ezoteryzm,nId,2012453 Encyklopedia Interia: ezoteryzm]</ref>. Mnogo iz teh voprosov, ktory dnes kazaju se novymi v ezoteriki (napriměr iz oblasti [[parapsihologija]]), v pravdě je od vjekov bylo poznano v [[Filozofija|filozofiji]]; po nekotoryh avtorah jest potrěbno otvarati tuto sferu i pokazati, že takozvane novinki v ezoteriki imajut korěni v idejah starožytnyh filozofov<ref>Juliusz Iwanicki (2006), „Soverenemna ezoterika i religiozne motivy v světli platonističnoj filozofiji”, „[[Preteksty]]”, Poznań, str. 92</ref>. V okol pojmov „ezoterizm” i „ezoterika” naraslo dnešno mnogo nedorazumenj; často te slova koristaju se za označenje věčij, ktore sut neizvestne, neizučene ili nerazumljive. == Etimologija == [[Fajl:Grabado de un Bafomet en el libro Ritual de alta Magia de Eliphas Levi (1854).jpg|thumb|Ilustracija Eliphasa Levi na obložkě knigy „Vysoka magija” (1854)]] '''Ezoterika''' jest slovo i ideja, ktore povstali v [[XIX věk]]u, pervoro upotrebene kako ''l’ésotérisme'' v děle ''Histoire critique du gnosticisme et de ses influences'' v [[1828]] godu ([[Jacques Matter]] (1791–1864). Vskoro potym [[Eliphas Levi]] (1810–1875) popularizoval slova „ezoterika” i „[[okultizm]]”. Terminy stali modnymi blagodarja [[Elena Blavatska|Eleny P. Blavatskoj]] (1831–1891) i drugym členam [[Teozofsko družstvo|Teozofskogo družstva]], kotori ih upotrebljajut v poslednoj četvrtini XIX věka i načeli XX. Ezoterika odnosi se do tajnyh věčij, osoblivo do tyh, ktore sut ili byli držane v sekreti iz straha prěd prěslědovanjem i nerazuměnjem, i da by izbjegnuti nepraviletnogo upotrebljenja. Termyn ''ezoteryčny'' pojavljajet se v [[Drěvna Grecija|staroj Greciji]] v period Rimskogo kraljevstva. Pohodi od grečskogo slova ''esôterikos'', od ''esôtero'' (''esô'' znači „vnutri”). Protipoloženje jest ''egzoteryčny'', od grčkogo ''eksôterikos'', od ''eksôtero'' (''eksô'' znači „vonku”/„na vně”). [[Platon]] (427–347 p.n.e.) v svojem dialogu ''Alcibiades'' (okolo [[390 p.n.e.]]) ispolzuet izrzek ''ta esô'' (“vnutrišnje věči”), a v ''Teajtet'' (okolo [[360 p.n.e.]]) ''ta eksô'' (“vněšnje věči”). Verjetno pervoje upotrebljenie adjektiva ''esôterikos'' est u [[Lucian iz Samosaty]] (okolo 120–180 po Hr.) v ''The Auction of Lives'' (166 g.). Pojem ''ezoterizm'' često se smatra sinonimom [[okultizm]]a („skryto znanje”). Jednako v [[XX věk]]u mnogi ezoteriki izbjegajut nazvaně „okultist” zbog, čto to slovo associiruje se s magijom ili služenjem [[diavol]]u. Iz togže prěčini nekotory hristijanske protivniki upotrebljajut slovo „okultizm” za ezoterizm. Ezoterizm imaje takoże nešto obščego s [[Mistika|mistikoj]], no mnogi mistični tradicije ne predavajut dopolnitelnogo znanja, fokusirajuči se na koncentraciju na objektu poklonjenja. == Obzor == Ezoterizm običajno fokusuje se na osobno prosvěščenje i vnutrišnji duhovnyh praktik, kogda zorganizovane religije i egzoterizm fokuśujut se na obči črty i pravila občiny. No s tim, ezoterizm takože imaje svoje tradicije, institucije i javne aspekte. V mnogih religijah razlišajut se sfery egzoteryčne (vněšnje) i ezoteryčne (vnutrišnje). Egzoterična sfera vključajet institucionalne struktury, canonicalne tekste i dogmy, ktore vlijajut na celju obščinu. Ezoterična sfera formirujut maly skupliny vjerev, ktore posvješčajut se glubokij duhovnoj praktike. Meždju egzoteričnym i ezoteryčnym obično jest napetost: (ezoteryčny) misticizm može byti kako herezija, ugrožajuča (egzoteričnoj) ortodoksiji<ref name="newage">{{Cite book | last1 =S. Bednarek, W. Bockenheim, J. Jastrzębski|title=New Age. Encyklopedia Nowoj Ery|date=2008|isbn=978-83-7277-256-5}}</ref>. Primiery ezoteričnyh ruchov v velikyh religijah: gnosticizm v [[Hristijanstvo|hristijanstvu]], [[sufizm]] v [[islam]]u, [[tantrizm]] v [[hinduizm]]u. == Školy ezoteryčny == Sut mnogo škol, da by bнlo možno ih označiti kratko. Nekotory priměry: * [[Gnosticizm]]: uči, že naš svet ne jest istiny dom; znanje pravdivoj prirody pomaga osvoboditi se i vrnuti se k duhovnom svetu. * [[Hermetizm]] s [[Astrologija|astrologijeju]]: prědpostavja, že duša i kosmos sut svjazani po principu „kako na gore, tako i na dole”. * [[Volfnomularstvo]] i nekotory formy [[Alhimija|alhimiji]]: upotrebljajut simboly da bi vodili praktikujuće k moralnom savršenstvu i bliskosti Boga. * [[Teozofija]]: uči, že sut skryti „učitelji”, ktori rukovodit duhovny razvitok čelověčestva. * [[Spiritizm]]: prědava značaj neposrednomu iskustvu posmertnogo života posredstvom kontakta s duhovami. * [[Četvrty put]] ([[Gurdžijev]]): uči, da ljudi običajno sut avtomati; specijalna praktikija možet probuditi ih. * Psihologija [[Carl Gustav Jung|Junga]]: stremi se integrovati protivnosti v psihu čelověka črěz mitove, sny i vizije. == Tradicije == Nekotory ezoterične tradicije i grupy: * [[Astrologija]] * [[Alhimija]] * [[Hermetizm]] * [[Joga]] * [[Kabala]] * [[Ordo Templi Orientis|OTO]] * [[Rastafari]]anstvo * [[Teozofija]] * [[Masonstvo]] == Ezoterizm v populjarnjoj kulturě == Serija romana [[Harry Potter (serija romanov)|Harry Potter]] od [[J.K. Rowling]] sadrži mnoge odnose na ezoterične tradicije, napriměr „[[Filozočny kamenj]]”. Novela [[Paulo Coelho]] „[[Alhimik (roman)|Alhimik]]” sugeruje duhovnu interpretaciju alhimiji. [[Umberto Eco]] često vključuje ezoterične teme, osoblivo satirično „[[Foucaultovo mahališče (roman)|Foucaultovo mahališče]]”. V romanu [[Dan Brown]]a „[[Kod Da Vinčěgo]]″ vlija obraz tajnogo bratstva „[[Zakon Sionu]]”. == Gledajete takože == * [[Antropozofija]] * [[Magija]] * [[Mistika]] * [[New Age]] * [[Okultizm]] * [[Šamanizm]] == Iztočniky == <references /> [[Kategorija:Ezoterika]] {{INTERWIKI|Q6097023}} s8lrzt84nlewqhs0cl9ms3bpb85t0rx 0 953 28681 28173 2026-07-14T14:36:15Z Ilja isv 10 28681 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka osoba|image=[[Fajl:H. P. Lovecraft Portrait, June 1934.png|250px|center|thumb|{{-|H. P. Lovecraft|Х. Ф. Лавкрафт}} v 1934]]|native_name=<center>{{-|Howard Phillips Lovecraft}}|name={{-|H. P. Lovecraft|Х. Ф. Лавкрафт}}|birth_date=20 avgusta 1890|birth_place={{-|Providence|Провиденс}}, SŠA|death_date=15 marca 1937|death_place={{-|Providence|Провиденс}}, SŠA|signature=[[Fajl:Lovecraft signature.svg|center]]|works={{-|[[mitologija Cthulhu]]|[[Mitologija Cthulhu|митологија Ктулху]]}}|spouse={{-|Sonia Greene|Соња Грин}}}} '''{{LatCyr|Howard Phillips Lovecraft|Ховард Филипс Лавкрафт||1}}''' (*&#x20;20 avgusta 1890, {{-|Providence|Провиденс}} - †&#x20;15 marca 1937, {{-|Providence|Провиденс}})<ref>{{-|[https://www.britannica.com/biography/H-P-Lovecraft H. P. Lovecraft], [v:] ''Encyclopædia Britannica'' (na anglijskom). Data dostupa: 16 septembra 2017}}</ref> – [[Sjedinjene štaty Ameriky|amerikansky]] pisatelj, avtor pověstij užasov i [[fantazi]], tvorec [[Mitologija Cthulhu|mitologije {{-|Cthulhu|Ктулху}}]]. Jedin iz prědtečij [[Naučna fantastika|naučnoj fantastiky]], a stil od jego stvorjeny oprěděljeny je kako {{-|[[lovecraftsky horor]]|[[Lovecraftsky horor|лавкрафтскы хорор]]}}. == Životopis == ==== Mladost ==== V mladosti često hvorěl. Gledeči na nestabilno stanje zdravja učil se v osnovnoj školě s dolžejšimi pauzami, podčas ktoryh učili go privatni učitelji. V tym obdobju intensivno čital, poznal svět točnyh nauk, a takože [[Latinsky jezyk|latiny]] i rimskoj historije. Pisal takože několiko razkazov, jednako od 1908 do 1913 goda zajmal se glavno pisanjem poezije. Ne podtrimyval kontakt s nikym kromě materju. Vse izměnilo se v momentu, kogda napisal pismo do redakcije gazety "{{-|The Argosy}}", v ktorym izrazil svoje neodobrjenje dlja izbavjenoj vkusu ljubovnoj historije Freda {{-|Jacksona|Джексона}}<ref>''[https://books.google.ca/books?id=S3oH_VdH3BcC&pg=PA105&lpg=PA105&dq=Lovecraft+fred+jackson&source=bl&ots=z01fo7AKKl&sig=7DVd8xGmfQBayMiNUumHu_kWFhw&hl=en&ei=IGx7ToD6K8PF0AH51fnoAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CDcQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Lovecraft%20fred%20jackson&f=false {{-|An Epicure In The Terrible}}]''.</ref>. Debatoju pisateljev zainteresoval se onogdašnji prědsědatelj {{-|[[United Amateur Press Association]]}}, Edward F. Daas, ktory lično pozval {{-|Lovecrafta|Лавкрафта}} do svojej organizacije v 1914. Pristupjenje do organizacije {{-|[[United Amateur Press Association|UAPA]]}} započelo novy razděl v žitju mladogo pisatelja. V 1917 godu, pobudženy od znajemogo, {{-|Lovecraft|Лавкрафт}} postanovil povratiti do pisanja fantastičnyh razkazov. Popravil razkazy "{{-|The Tomb}}" i "{{-|Dagon}}". ==== Supružstvo i Nju Jork ==== Několiko sedmic po smrti materi {{-|Lovecraft|Лавкрафт}} učestvoval v konvenciji žurnalistov-amaterov, ktora se odbyvala v Bostonu. Tam strětl {{-|Soniu Greene|Соњу Грин}}, svoju buduču ženu. {{-|Sonia|Соња}} urodila se v 1883 v židovskoj rodině na [[Украјина|Ukrajině]]. Osvatili se v 1924. Po zaručenju {{-|Lovecraft|Лавкрафт}} žil v Bruklinu v domu {{-|Sonie|Соње}}. Početkovo {{-|Lovecraft|Лавкрафт}} je zadovaljal se žitjem v [[Nju Jork]]u, jednako potom suprugi počeli iměti finansove problemy. {{-|Sonia|Соња}} utratila magazin i zahvorěla. Howard {{-|Phillips|Филипс}} ne mogl najdti raboty. Konečno {{-|Sonia|Соња}} našla rabotu, jednako vezalo se to iz čestymi izjezdami, najprvo do Klivlanda, a potom v Čikago. {{-|Lovecraft|Лавкрафт}} izvedl se iz davnoj kvartiry ženy i žil samotno v apartamentu v četvrti {{-|Red Hook|Ред Хук}}. Ne mogl pomiriti se s tym, že děli apartament s bezrabotnymi imigrantami. Podčas pobytja v Nju Jorku zaostrila se jego nenavist do čudžezemcev. Žitje v separaciji od ženy i različje harakterov navedli do razpadu supružstva. V 1926 {{-|Lovecraft|Лавкрафт}} vratil se do {{-|Providence|Провиденса}}, kde suprovadžal tetkam v poslědnjih godah žitja. ==== Poslědne gody ==== Na početku 1937 goda byl diagnozovany u {{-|Lovecrafta|Лавкрафта}} rak jelit. Na lěčenje bylo už za pozdno. Dolgo boril se s boljem, konečno v 1937 pošel do boljnice, kde umrl po peti dnjah. == Osobne gledišča == [[Fajl:H.P.L. as Eighteenth-Century Gentleman.png|thumb|{{-|H. P. Lovecraft|Х. Ф. Лавкрафт}} ako džentlmen iz XVIII věka avtorstva Virgila {{-|Finlaya|Финлаја}}]] ==== Politične gledišča ==== Lovecraft počel svoje žitje ako tori, čto bylo pravdopodobno izhodom jego konservativnogo vozpitanja. Jego rodina prěz vse žitje podpirala Republikansku Partiju. Hot ne vědomo, ak doslědno glasoval, v prezidentskyh izborah v 1928 godu glasoval [[Herbert Hoover|Herberta {{-|Hoovera|Хувера}}]]. Byl anglofilom, ktory poddržival britansku monarhiju. Byl protivnikom demokracije i uvažal, že Amerika povinna byti vladana aristokracijeju. {{-|Lovecraft|Лавкрафт}} iměl razne gledišča na kvestije onogdašnjih političnyh personažev. Byl poslědovateljem {{-|Franklina D. Roosevelta|Франклина Д. Рузвелта}}<ref>Wolanin 2013, s. 3–12; Joshi 2001, s. 354; Cannon 1989, s. 10 (na anglijskom)</ref>. Zauvažil, že {{-|Roosevelt|Рузвелт}} staral se phati se do kursu posrědnjego medžu konservatorami i prěvratnikami, čto jemu se podobalo. Početkovo podpiral [[Adolf Hitler|Adolfa Hitlera]]. Govorivši akuratněje, uvažal, že Hitler shrani němečsku kulturu. Uvažal jednako, že rasova politika Hitlera dolžna opirati se vyše na kulturu, než na proizhodženje. Istnujut dokazy na to, že pod konec žitja {{-|Lovecraft|Лавкрафт}} počel protiviti se Hitleru. Harry K. Brobst, susěd {{-|Lovecrafta|Лавкрафта}}, povezl se do Němcije i byl svědkom pobitja jevrejev. {{-|Lovecraft|Лавкрафт}} i jego tetka byli tym faktom negodovanjeni, a od togo momentu {{-|Lovecraft|Лавкрафт}} prěstal spominati o Hitleru<ref>Joshi 2001, s. 360–361 (na anglijskom)</ref>. ==== Ateizm ==== {{-|Lovecraft|Лавкрафт}} byl [[Ateizm|ateistom]]<ref>{{-|Mikołaj Kołyszko, ''Groza jest święta. Mitologia literacka Howarda Phillipsa Lovecrafta i jej analiza dokonana antropologiczną metodą Claude’a Lévi-Straussa'', Wydawnictwo Wielokrotnego Wyboru, 2014, s. 43 (na <abbr>poljskom</abbr>).}}</ref>. Jego gledišča na kvestije religije stali prědstavjene v eseju "Vyznavanje nevěrja" ({{Jezyky|en|A Confession of Unfaith}}). V tutom tekstu opisyvaje on svoje odrěčenje od [[protestantizm]]a, izznavanogo prěz roditeljev, zaradi ateizma, ktory prijel v dorastlom žitju. {{-|Lovecraft|Лавкрафт}} vozpityval se v konservativnoj, protestantskoj rodině. S Biblijeju i personažem {{-|Santa Claus|Санта Клаус}} spoznal se v vozrastu dvoh godov. V pozdnějšem vrěmenu spoznal se s basnjami bratov {{-|Grimm|Грим}} i "Knigoju tyseče i jednoj noči", preferujuči tu vtoru. Kako odgovor, {{-|Lovecraft|Лавкрафт}} jest prijel identičnost "Abdul Alhazred", ime to užil pozdněje dlja avtora "Ne{{-|c|к}}ronomi{{-|c|к}}ona"<ref>Lovecraft 2006a, s. 145–146; Joshi 2001, s. 20–23; Zeller 2019, s. 18 (na anglijskom)</ref>. Nedolgo potom prěžil kratku dobu kako poganin, izznavajuči religiju grečsko-rimsku. Podolg tutoj historiji, jego prvy moment sklepticizma nastupil prěd dovršenjem petogo goda žitja, kogda toj počel osparjati, či Bog je mitom, po tom, kako dověděl se, že {{-|Santa Claus|Санта Клаус}} ne jestvuje. V 1896 godu spoznal se s mitami grečsko-rimskymi i stal se "pravdivym poganinom"<ref>Lovecraft 2006a, s. 145–146; Joshi 2001, s. 20–23; St. Armand 1975, s. 140–141 (na anglijskom)</ref>. {{-|Lovecraft|Лавкрафт}} stal se pesimistom, kogda v 1914 godu počel dějateljnost kako žurnalist-amater. [[Prva světova vojna]] sdavala se to podkrěpjati. Počel grditi filozofsky idealizm. {{-|Lovecraft|Лавкрафт}} počel obgovarjati i diskutovati o svojem pesimizmu s ravesnikami, čto pozvolilo mu utvrditi se v svojej filozofiji. Uvažal [[hristijanstvo]] za ograničeno i banalno. Pravdopodobno, ne věril v zagrobno žitje. ==== Rasove gledišča ==== V opisom ljudij v romanah {{-|Lovecrafta|Лавкрафта}} prodirali se [[Rasizm|rasistične]] gledišča avtora. Anglosaksi i běli sut opisani kako lěpši od inyh<ref>{{-|Kołyszko 2014, s. 86. (na poljskom).}}</ref>, podobno prědstavjena je kultura samogo pisatelja. Mračnymi kultami zajmajut se črni, Indijci, mulati, Indijani<ref>{{-|Kołyszko}} 2014, s. 118. (na poljskom).</ref>, a takože pustynniki i ini jedinci<ref>{{-|Kołyszko 2014, s. 120. (na poljskom).}}</ref>. == Tvorby == ==== Razkazy ==== [[Fajl:H. P. Lovecraft, 1930.png|thumb|342x342px|{{-|H. P. Lovecraft|Х. Ф. Лавкрафт}} (1930)]] Večinstvo tvorb {{-|Lovecrafta|Лавкрафта}} odnosi se k stvorjenoj prěz njego "{{-|mitologiji Cthulhu|митологији Ктулху}}" (termin ten vvedl už po jego smrti pisatelja {{-|[[August Derleth]]|[[August Derleth|Август Дерлет]]}}) - panteon neizobrazimyh bytostij, o božskyh močah, iz inyh světov. Sam {{-|Lovecraft|Лавкрафт}} govoril o "kosmičnom hororu" - v ktorom strah prěstupa poza racionalne faktory, kogdy člověk strěča se iz věčami, ktoryh ne smože obsegnuti umom. Povratnym motivom je bogohulna kniga "{{-|[[Necronomicon]]}}" napisana od bezumnogo Araba [[Abdul Alhazred|Abdula Alhazreda]]. Zaključene sut tam tajenstva o pradavnyh božstvah, ktore někogda vladali Zemjeju i nyně čekajut na moment, aby vratiti se. Jednym iz Velikyh Prědvěčnyh Božstv je {{-|[[Mitologija Cthulhu|Cthulhu]]|[[Mitologija Cthulhu|Ктулху]]}} - božstvo speča na dnu okeana. ==== Pisma ==== {{-|Lovecraft|Лавкрафт}} kromě razkazov pisal mnogo pism, dopisyval s desetkami prijateljev i znajemyh<ref>{{-|''[https://hplovecraft.pl/hplovecraft/przyjaciele-i-korespondenci-a-l/ Przyjaciele i korespondenci, H.P. Lovecraft] – Polski serwis'' [online], hplovecraft.pl}} (na poljskom). Data dostupa: 15 septembra 2018</ref>, ktori dělili se vlastnymi idejami na nove děla razširjajuče "{{-|mitologiju Cthulhu|митологију Ктулху}}" i ocěnjali je, ili diskutovali o aktualnyh kvestijah. Ocěnja se, že od 1912 goda do smrti napisal okolo 87 000 pism. ==== Kritične děla ==== {{-|Lovecraft|Лавкрафт}} pisal tož mnogo kritičnyh děl, iz ktoryh najbolje znany je ''Nadprirodny horor v literaturě''. Pisatelj zaključil tam harakteristiku i historiju romanov užasov v literaturě anglijskoj i amerikanskoj. == Izbrane razkazy == * ''Dagon'' (''{{Jezyky|en|Dagon}}'') (1919) * ''Kolor iz kosmosa ({{Jezyky|en|The Colour Out of Space}}'') (1927) * ''Klik {{-|Cthulhu|Ктулху}} ({{Jezyky|en|The Call of Cthulhu}}'') (1928) * ''{{LatCyr|Mora iz Dunwich|Мора из Данвич||1}} ({{Jezyky|en|The Dunwich Horror}}'') (1929) * ''V gorah bezumja'' (''{{Jezyky|en|At the Mountains of Madness}}'') (1936) * ''{{LatCyr|Fantom nad Innsmouth|Фантом над Иннсмутом||1}} ({{Jezyky|en|Shadow over Innsmouth}}'') (1929) * ''Duh temnosti ({{Jezyky|en|The Haunter of The Dark}}'') (1936) == Linky == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> == Vněšnje linky == {{Prěvod|pl|H.P. Lovecraft|revizija=78335148}}{{Prěvod|en|H.P. Lovecraft|revizija=1344057404}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}}{{Sortovati|Lovecraft, Howard Phillips}}{{INTERWIKI|Q169566}} {{DEFAULTSORT:Lovecraft, H.P.}} [[Kategorija:Amerikanski pisatelji]] [[Kategorija:Pisatelji fantastiky]] pib82e71b0obtqs0brvbzpqmjcrozx0 0 975 28739 6751 2026-07-15T08:33:34Z MwGamera 13 /* */ č v linktrailu 28739 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Sulfur.jpg|thumb|Element [[sěra]] imaje [[kristal|kristalično]] ustrojstvo]] [[Fajl:Brom amp.jpg|thumb|[[Brom]] jest jednim iz dvoh elementov, ktore sut tekuče pri 25°{{-|C}}. Vtorym jest [[rtutj]]<ref name=ryan />]] '''Hemičny element''' jest [[substancija]], ktora se skladaje iz [[atom]]ov toliko jednogo [[tip]]a.<ref name="brand" /> Atomy se skladajut iz [[proton]]ov, [[nevtron]]ov i [[elektron]]ov. Čislo protonov v atomu nazyvaje se [[atomny nomer]]. Napriklad, vse atomy s 6 protonami sut atomami hemičnogo elementa [[vuglerod]], a vse atomy s 92 protonami sut atomy elementa [[uran]]. Čislo nevtronov v jedru ne musi byti jednakym za každy atom elementa. Atomy jednakogo elementa s raznym čislom nevtronov nazyvajut [[izotop]]ami. Izraženje, že substancija "sodrživaje samo jedin tip atomov" zaisto znači, že ona sodrživaje toliko atomy, ktore vse imajut jednako čislo protonov. Čislo protonov v jedru poradžaje jego [[električny naboj]]. Ono naznačaje čislo elektronov v jego normalnom ([[Ionizacija|neionizovanom]]) stanju. Elektrony na jih [[Atomna orbitalj|atomnyh orbitaljah]] oprěděljajut različne [[hemične svojstva]] elementa. Elementy sut bazovymi budovnymi blokami za vse tipy substancij. Ako li substancija sodržaje veče, než jedin tip atomov, to jest [[Hemičny element#Sjedinjenja|sjedinjenje]] ili [[Hemičny element#Směsy|směs]]. V sjedinjenju najmenšej česticeju jest [[molekula]]. Tutčasna [[hemija]] znaje 118 raznyh hemičnyh elementov. 92 od njih mogut byti najdene v [[Priroda|prirodě]],<ref name=ryan>{{Cite book|author=Ryan, Lawrie|title=Chemistry for You: National Curriculum Edition for GCSE|url=https://archive.org/details/chemistryforyou0000ryan|edition=2|publisher=Nelson Thornes|isbn=9780748762347|date=2001}}</ref> a ostale mogut byti jedino stvorene v [[laboratorija]]h. Člověčsko tělo skladaje se iz 26 elementov.<ref name=ryan /> Poslědnym iznajdenym prirodnym elementom byl uran, v 1789 lětu.<ref name="sl2">{{Cite book|last=Devlin|first=Jacinta |author2=Cochrane, Helen |others=Coffey, Rhonda |title=Science Links 2 |publisher=Heinemann|date=2005|edition=VELS |pages=5 |chapter=1 |isbn=1740815203|language=English}}</ref><ref name=ce.com>{{Cite web|url=http://www.chemicalelements.com/elements/u.html|title=Periodic Table: Uranium|publisher=Chemical Elements.com|accessdate=2011-03-22}}</ref> Prvym iztvorenym člověkom elementom byl [[tehnecij]], v lětu 1937. Hemične elementy obyčno uredžajut v [[Periodična sistema elementov|periodičnu sistemu]]. Město elementov v tablice periodičnoj sistemy govori nam o jih svojstvah odnosno k drugym elementam. ==Hemične simboly== Hemičnym elementam davajut unikaljny ''hemičny simbol''. Hemične simboly sut koristane vsesvětno. To znači, že bez zavisnosti na kakom jezyku govoret, ne bude zaměšanja oglědno togo, čto kaky simbol znači.<ref name=BBC /> Hemične simboly elementov bezmalogo vsekogda pohodet od jih [[Anglijsky jezyk|anglijskyh]] ili [[Latinsky jezyk|latinskyh]] nazv. Napriměr, [[vuglerod]] imaje hemičny simbol {{-|'C'}}, a natrij imaje hemičny simbol {{-|'Na'}}, od latinskogo {{-|''natrium''}}. [[Wolfram|Volfram]] označaje se {{-|'W'}} vslěd jego nemeckoj nazvy {{-|''wolfram''}}.<ref name="sl2" /><ref name="BBC">{{Cite web|url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/ks3bitesize/science/chemical_material_behaviour/atoms_elements/revise3.shtml|title=BBC Bitesize: Science: Chemical and material behaviour: Atoms and elements: Chemical symbols|page=3|publisher=BBC|accessdate=2011-03-23|archive-date=2011-03-02|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20110302152409/http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/ks3bitesize/science/chemical_material_behaviour/atoms_elements/revise3.shtml|url-status=dead}}</ref> {{-|'Au'}} jest simbolom za [[zlato]] i proizhodi od latinskogo slova {{-|''aurum''}}, ktore znači "zlato".<ref name="brand">{{Cite book|author1=Brand, Ian|author2=Grime, Richard|title=Longman Chemistry 11-14|url=https://archive.org/details/longmanchemistry0000bran|date=2002|publisher=Pearson Education|isbn=9780582447554}}</ref><ref name="cd">{{Cite book|author=Kidd, D. A.|title=Collins Pocket Latin Dictionary|url=https://archive.org/details/collinslatindict0000unse_d3b6|publisher=Collins|date=2008|isbn=9780007263745}}</ref> Drugy simbol, ktory proizhodi od latinskogo, jest {{-|'Ag'}}. To jest element [[srěbro]] i simbol jego proizhodi od latinskogo {{-|''argentum''}}.<ref name=cd /> Simbol svinca, {{-|'Pb'}}, proizhodi od latinskogo {{-|''plumbum''}}<ref name=cd /> i anglijsko slovo {{-|''plumber''}} (vodoinstalator) takože proizhodi od nego zatože truby prvonačelno se dělali iz svinca.<ref name=ryan /> Něktore iz nedavno iznajdenyh elementov byli nazvane po znamenitym ljudjam, kako, napriklad, [[ejnštejnij]], nazvany vslěd [[Albert Ajnštajn|Alberta Ajnštajna]].<ref name=sl2/> ==Sjedinjenja== Elementy mogut sjedinjati se (reagovati), iztvarjauči čiste [[Hemično sjedinjenje|sjedinjenja]] (kako sut [[voda]], [[solj]]e, [[oksid]]y i [[organične sjedinjenja]]). Vo mnogyh slučajah tute sjedinjenja imajut ustaljeny sostav i svoje vlastne strukturu i svojstva. Svojstva sjedinjenij mogut byti mnogo odličnymi od svojstv elementov, iz ktoryh oni sut složene. Natrij jest [[metal]], ktory gori, kogda jego položet do vody, a [[hlor]] jest jadovitym [[gaz]]om. Kogda oni vzajemno reagujut, oni proizvodet hlorid natrija ([[solj]]), ktora jest generalno neškodliva i v malyh kolikostah jedoma. ==Směsy== Něktore elementy směšivajut se vo vselikyh proporcijah, obrazuječi nove struktury. Take nove struktury ne sut sjedinjenjami. Jih nazyvajut [[směs]]amy, ili v slučajah, kogda elementy sut [[metal]]y, [[Stopjenje|stopjenjami]]. ==Izotopy== Večšinstvo elementov v prirodě stvorjaje se iz atomov s raznym čislom nevtronov.<ref name=salters>{{Cite book|page=[https://archive.org/details/saltersadvancedc0000unse_k7t3/page/17 17]|editor1=Otter, Chris|editor2=Stephenson, Kay|title=Salters Advanced Chemistry: Chemical Ideas|url=https://archive.org/details/saltersadvancedc0000unse_k7t3|publisher=Heinemann|date=2008|edition=Third|isbn=978-0-435631-49-9}}</ref> [[Izotop]] jest formoju elementa s někym čislom nevtronov. Napriklad, [[vuglerod]] imaje dva stabilnyh strěčanyh v prirodě izotopa, [[vuglerod-12]] (6 nevtronov) i [[vuglerod-13]] (7 nevtronov). [[Vuglerod-14]] (8 nevtronov) jest prirodno strěčanym radioaktivnym izotopom vugleroda. Izvestno prinajmenje po dva izotopa každogo elementa (mimo [[Oganeson]]a, od kojego iztvoreno dopoka toliko několiko atomov). == Klasifikacija == Elementy mogut byti klasifikovane na zakladu jih [[Agregatno stanje|fizičnyh stanij]]. Pri komnatnoj temperaturě večšinstvo elementov sut [[Tvrdo tělo|tvrde]], toliko 11 sut [[gaz]]y, i 2 sut [[tekutina]]mi. Elementy mogut takože klasifikovati se na [[metal]]y i [[nemetal]]y. Jestvuje mnogo veče metalov, než nemetalov. Medžutym, několiko elementov imajut svoijstva medžu svojstvami metalov i nemetalov. Tute elementy nazyvajut polumetaly (ili metaloidy). ==Svezane stranicy== * [[Periodična sistema elementov]]<!--The periodic table template has a heading that links here--> ==Referencije== {{-|{{Iztočniky}}}} ==Vnešni linky== * ''Tutoj članok sodržaje prěvod iz članka {{-|«[[:simple:Chemical element|Chemical element]]»}} v Vikipediji na'' ''prostom anglijskom ([https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chemical_element&action=history spis avtorov]; dozvoljeńje [[ccorg:licenses/by-sa/4.0/|{{-|CC BY-SA 4.0}}]]).'' [[Kategorija:Hemija]] [[Kategorija:Hemične elementy|*]] [[Kategorija:Jedrna fizika]] {{INTERWIKI|Q11344}} <!--{{Periodic table}}--> mvn1aquql5ewjfnpl6wswc327tx1t9m 0 993 28682 6905 2026-07-14T14:36:58Z Ilja isv 10 28682 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka osoba | honorific-prefix = Admiral okeana i morja | name = Hristofor Kolumb | image = [[Fajl:Portrait of a Man, Said to be Christopher Columbus.jpg|thumb|Prědpokladany portret Hristofora Kolumba, [[Sebastiano del Piombo]]<ref>{{Cite journal |last1=Lester |first1=Paul M. |title=Looks are deceiving: The portraits of Christopher Columbus |journal=Visual Anthropology |date=January 1993 |volume=5 |issue=3–4 |pages=211–227 |doi=10.1080/08949468.1993.9966590 |issn=0894-9468}}</ref>]] | order = 1-y | office = Gubernator Indije | term_start = 1492 | term_end = 1499 | appointed = [[Isabella I of Castile]] | predecessor = ne byl | successor = [[Francisko de Bobadija]] | birth_date = medžu 25 avgustom i 31 oktobrom 1451 | birth_place = [[Genoa]], [[Republika Genoa]] | death_date = 20 maja 1506 (vo věku 54 lět) | death_place = [[Vajadolid]], [[Kastilija]] | resting_place = [[Seviljska katedrala]], Sevilja, Španja | spouse = [[Filipa Monis Perestrelo]], 1479-1484 (umrla) | partner = [[Beatris Enrikes de Arana]] | children = [[Diego Kolumb|Diego]] • [[Ferdinand Kolumb|Ferdinand]] • [[Diego Kolumb (Lusajan)|Diego (adopt. kako Lusajan)]] | mother = [[Susanna Fontanarossa]] | father = [[Domeniko Kolombo]] | relatives = [[Bartolomej Kolumb]] (brat) | profession = [[Morsky izslědovatelj]] | signature = [[Fajl:Columbus Signature.svg|center|200px]] }} '''Hristofor Kolumb''' (1451-1506) byl italijskym [[Trgovanje|kupcom]], [[Izslědovanje|izslědovateljem]] i morjeplavateljem. Občo mněnje jest, že on se rodil v Genoe v roku 1451, kako syn tkača imenom [[Domeniko Kolombo]] i krojačky imenom [[Susanna Fontanarossa]]. Jestvuje mnogo alternativnyh teorij jego proizhodženja, ale oni ne razvažajut věčšinstvom naučnikov. "Hristofor Kolumb" jest [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk|medžuslovjanskoju]] versijeju jego imena. Na [[Italijsky jezyk|italijskom]] jego ime bylo originalno {{Lang|it|Cristoforo Colombo}}'''.''' V roku 1492 Kolumb izlodil se na [[Bahamy|Bahamah]] kako prvy evropejec v historiji. Jego prvonačelnoju mětoju bylo najdti bystrějši put v [[Azija|Aziju]] iz [[Evropa|Evropy]]. On jest poznany kako člověk, odkryvavši [[Novy svět]], zatože jego putovanje počalo jest eru [[Evropejska kolonizacija Ameriky|Evropejskoj kolonizacije Ameriky]]. Tuto byl važny moment v Evropejskoj historiji. Podčas togo, že [[Lejf Erikson]] byl, prividno, prvym evropejcom, ktory se izlodil na zemjah [[Amerika|Ameriky]], to sobytje ne bylo dobro zadokumentovano i ne privedlo k naslědnomu kontaktu medžu Evropoju i Novym světom. Rezultatom byli prěnos skota, hvorob, zrna i nevoljnikov. Kogda [[Španija|špancy]] sut dověděli se, že Kolumb jest našel [[Novy svět]], mnogo drugyh ljudij, nazvanyh [[konkistador]]ami, sut pošli tudy takože. Tuto jest privedlo ko [[Španska kolonizacija Ameriky|Španskoj kolonizaciji Ameriky]]. Kolumb jest umrl 20 maja 1506, v [[Vajadolid]]u v [[Španija|Španiji]]. == Odkrytje Ameriky == Kolumb byl prvym evropejcom, ktory jest odkryl [[Amerika|Ameriku]], s izključenjem [[Lejfa Erikson]]a. == Putovanje v 1492 == Mnogo ljudij v [[Zapadna Evropa|Zapadnoj Evrope]] sut htěli najdti kratši put da by dosegnuti Azije. Kolumb jest mněval, že on bude mogti dostati se do Azije plavanjem črěz [[zapad]]. V toj čas uže byl dokaz, že [[Zemja]] jest krugla, ale on ne jest znal o jestvovanju [[Zapadna polusfera|Zapadnoj polusfery]], ktora jest tak velika, že by jemu ne dozvolila dostati se do Azije.<ref name="brit">{{Cite web |url=http://www.britannica.com/biography/Christopher-Columbus |title=Christopher Columbus |author=Flint, Valerie I.J. |date=February 11, 2016 |website=Encyclopædia Britannica |publisher=Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc |accessdate=April 20, 2016 |quote=}}</ref> Bez obzirov na tuto, Kolumb ne jest iměl dost grošov da by zaplatiti samostojno za svoje putovanje. Po razgromu [[Granadsky emirat|Granadskogo emirata]], vladari Španije, [[Ferdinand II Aragonsky|Ferdinand II]] i [[Isabella I Kastiljska|Isabella {{-|I}} Kastiljska]], sut suglasili zaplatiti jemu putovanje. On jest oběčal privezti nazad [[zlato]] i ''pripravy'' za njih.<ref name=brit/> [[Fajl:Sebastien Destremau (11).jpg|thumb|left|Tuta 60-futova loď imaje jednaku dolžinu s največšim korabom Kolumba]] V avgustu 1492 g., Kolumb i jego [[morjak]]y sut ostavili Španju na trěh korabah: {{-|''[[Santa Maria (korab)|Santa María]]''}} (Sveta Marija), {{-|''[[Pinta (korab)|Pinta]]''}} (Kolorovana), i {{-|''Santa Clara''}} (prězvana kako {{-|''[[Ninja (korab)|Niña]]''}}: mala děvčinka).<ref>Columbus Day. The History Channel Website. Retrieved January 28, 2013.http://www.history.com/topics/columbus-day</ref> Tute tri koraba byli velmi malymi. Historiky mněvajut, že največsa lod {{Lang|es|Santa María}} byla toliko 60&nbsp;futov (18.3&nbsp;m) dolga, i priblizno od 16 do 19&nbsp;futov (od 4.8 do 5.8&nbsp;m) široka.<ref>{{Cite book| last = Gould| first = Richard A.| title = Archaeology and the Social History of Ships| url = https://archive.org/details/archaeologysocia0000goul| year = 2000| publisher = Cambridge University Press| isbn = 978-0-521-56789-3| page = [https://archive.org/details/archaeologysocia0000goul/page/206 206] }}</ref><ref name="The Worlds of Christopher Columbus">{{Cite book| last1 = Phillips| first1 = William D.| last2 = Phillips| first2 = Carla Rahn| title = The Worlds of Christopher Columbus| url = https://archive.org/details/worldsofchristop0000phil| year = 1992| publisher = Cambridge University Press| isbn = 978-0-521-44652-5| pages = [https://archive.org/details/worldsofchristop0000phil/page/143 143]–145 }}</ref> Ostalne koraby Kolumba byli ješče menšimi. Historiky mněvajut, že oni byli priblizno 50-60 futov dolgymi.<ref name="The Worlds of Christopher Columbus"/> ===Putovanje=== 12 oktobra 1492, poslě priblizno četyreh měsecov plavanja, Kolumb jest debarkoval se na malom ostrove na [[Bahamy|Bahamah]]. Městne sut nazyvali ostrov Guanahani; Kolumb jego jest prěimenoval v [[San Salvador Island|San Salvador]] ("Svety Spasitel"). On jest spoznal se s domorodnymi amerikancami [[Arawak people|Arawakami]] i [[Taino]], ktore sut žili na ostrově. Oni byli prijatelske i mirne ko Kolumbu i jego ekipě. Ne znajuči, kde on byl, i mněvajuči, že jest dosegl Indije, on jest nazval jih "Indejcy". On jest proglasil jih zemju za špansku.<ref>"Christopher Columbus." Explorers & Discoverers of the World. Gale, 1993. Gale Biography In Context. Web. February 5, 2013.</ref> Potom Kolumb jest plyl na ostrov [[Kuba]], i dalje na ostrov [[Hispanjola]]. Na Hispanjolě on jest izbudoval [[fort]]. Tuto byla jedna iz prvyh evropejskyh [[Vojsko|vojennyh]] baz v [[Zapadna polusfera|Zapadnoj polusferě]]. On nazval jego Navidad (na španskom "[[Rodženje]]"). Tam on ostavil trideset devet členov ekipy, i prikazal jim iskati i stražiti zlato.<ref name="chacon">{{Cite book| last1 = Chacon| first1 = Richard J.| last2 = Mendoza| first2 = Ruben G.| title = Latin American Indigenous Warfare and Ritual Violence| date = 2007| publisher = University of Arizona Press| isbn = 978-0-8165-2527-0| pages = 95–96 }}</ref> ===Odnošenje k domorodnym ljudjam=== V denj, kogda on jest pristal na Bahamah, Kolumb jest napisal o arawakah i taino:<blockquote>Oni muset byti dobrymi i sručnymi [[sluga]]mi, [ako] oni povtorjajut veliko bystro vsečto my jim govorimo. Ja dumaju, jih by bylo velmi legko izdělati [[Hristijanstvo|hristijanami]], bo oni, kako izglědaje, ne imajut nikaku [[Religija|religiju]] ... Ja vozmu šest od njih ... kogda budu [izhoditi, da by] oni mogli naučiti se našemu [[jezyk]]u ... S 50 ljudjmi vy možete pokarjati vseh i prinudžati jih dělati to, čto vy hčete.<ref>{{Cite book| last = Tinker| first = George E.| title = Missionary Conquest: The Gospel and Native American Cultural Genocide| url = https://archive.org/details/missionaryconque0000tink| date = 1993| publisher = Fortress Press| isbn = 978-1-4514-0840-9| page = [https://archive.org/details/missionaryconque0000tink/page/8 8] }}</ref></blockquote> Suglasno {{-|[[Encyclopædia Britannica]]}}: <div align=center><gallery perrow="6"> File:Conceptions Colomb map-fr.svg|Kolumb mněval jest, žr svět je taky File:Santa-Maria.jpg|Replika koraba ''Santa Maria'' File:Landing of Columbus (2).jpg|[[Živopis]]ny obraz Kolumba pri izloďenju v Novom světu File:Columbus landing on Hispaniola.JPG|Obraz Kolumba pri izloďenju na Hispaniolě File:Columbus1.PNG|Karta prvogo putovanja Kolumba File:2.- DCVIII.0001.tif|Pismo od Kolumba (1493) </gallery></div> ==Vtoro putovanje== 24 septembra 1493 Kolumb ostavil Španju s dostatočnoju kolikostju korabov, zapasov i ljudij na to, da by [[Vtrgnutje|vtrgnuti]] i [[Kolonializm|izdělati španske kolonije]] v Novom světu. On iměl 17 korabov i 1,200 ljudij. Tute ljudi byli [[Vojsko|vojovniki]] i [[Zemjedělstvo|zemjedělci]]. Medžu njimi byli sut takože svečenniki, rabotoju ktoryh bylo [[Misionerstvo|obračati]] domorodcov v [[hristijanstvo]].<ref>{{Cite book| last = Bacchus| first = M.K.| title = Utilization, Misuse, and Development of Human Resources in the Early West Indian Colonies| url = https://archive.org/details/utilizationmisus0000bacc| year = 1990| publisher = Wilfrid Laurier University Press| isbn = 0-88920-982-0| pages = [https://archive.org/details/utilizationmisus0000bacc/page/6 6]–7 }}</ref> Na tutom putu, Kolumb jest izslědoval něktore ostrova iz [[Male Antilske ostrovy|Malyh Antilskyh]]. On jest obplyl vokrug večšiny Hispanjoly i izslědoval strany [[Jamajka|Jamajky]] i [[Kuba|Kuby]], ktore on ne jest viděl na svojom prvom putovanju. Potom on jest vratil se v fort Navidad i dověděl se, že toj jest izgorěl. Jedinadset od 37 vojovnikov, ktoryh Kolumb jest nehal vo fortu, sut byli tam pogrebeni. Ostalne sut izčezli. Historiky mněvajut, že to bylo vslěd hvorob i bojovanja s narodom Arawak.<ref name=chacon /> === Odnošenje k domorodnym ljudjam === Dokolě Kolumb byl proč od Navidada, izslědovavši Jamajku i Kubu, jego vovjovniky sut prěstali rabotati na izbudovanju novogo forta i zemjedělišč. Oni prinudžali arawakov davati jim jedanje. Oni sut kradli věči arawakov i nasilovali jih žen. Kogda Kolumb jest o tom se dovědal, on jest prikazal jih [[Smrtna kaznj|povesiti]]. Něktore vodže arawakov sut viděli Kolumba kako sojuznika svojih neprijateljev i napadli njego. Ale, špancy iměli mnogo orudžja, ktorogo arawaky sut nikogdy ne viděli, kako [[stalj]]ne [[meč]]e, [[Pika|piky]], [[samostrěl]]y, [[Pes|psov]] i [[konj]]ev. Tuto jest pomogalo špancam velmi legko izygryvati boje protiv arawakov.<ref>{{Cite book| last1 = Lindaman| first1 = Dana| last2 = Ward| first2 = Kyle| title = History Lessons: How Textbooks from Around the World Portray U.S. History| year = 2006| publisher = The New Press| isbn = 1-59558-082-4| pages = 10–12 }}</ref> Kolumb iměl mnogo buntov protiv sebe i vojoval protiv mnogyh domorodvyh vodžev, ktore sut viděli jego kako zagrabnika i sojuznika Grakangari, vodža, s ktorym toj jest družil. Oni sut byli bystro razbity s pomočju evropejskyh iznahodok. Na tyh časteh ostrova, ktore jest zavojoval Kolumb, ne bylo tak mnogo zlata, i Kolumb prikazal prěstati jego iskati. ==Tretje putovanje== Kolumb jest odpravil se v dalše putovanje v lětu 1498. Kralju Žuanu II v Portugaliji skazali sut, že k jugozapadu od ostrovov [[Kap Verd]] jest [[kontinent]]. Na svojom tretjem putovanju Kolumb jest htěl najdti toj kontinent.<ref>Morison, Samuel Eliot (1963). ''Journals & Other Documents on the Life & Voyages of Christopher Columbus.'' New York: The Heritage Press. p. 262. ASIN B002KR8WPQ.</ref> Pri jego naputstvovanju kraljevna Isabella pripomnila Kolumbu, že on musi odnositi se ko vsem domorodnym ljudjam dobro i musi iz njih izdělati [[Hristijanstvo|hristijan]]. V tutom putovanju Kolumb jest poslal tri koraba rovno do West Indije ([[Karibske ostrovy|Karibov]]). Sam on vedl tri drugyh koraba, prvo ko dvom portugalskym ostrovam, potom ko [[Kanarske ostrovy|Kanarskym ostrovam]], potom do [[Kap Verd]]u. Od Kap Verda, oni sut plyli k sěverozapadnomu pribrěžju [[Južna Amerika|Južnoj Ameriky]] i pristali na [[Trinidad]]u. On takože jest izslědoval čest Juňoj Ameriky i ostrova, ktore tutčas nazyvajut se [[Tobago]] i [[Grenada]]. 19 avgusta 1498 Kolumb jest vratil se na Hispaniolu. On jest uznal, že mnoge španske oseljenci tam ne byli ščestni. Oni sut myslili, že v Novom světu bude vyše zlata. Mnoge iy njih sut buntovali, kogda on byl pryč. Kolumb jest povesil peteryh liderov buntov. On takože staral se obradovati staljnyh oseljencev i jest daval jim zemju na Hispaniolě. Jednakože, seljenci prodolžali posilati žaloby do Španije. V lětu 1499, kraljevna Isabella jest poslala člověka imenom Francisko de Bobadilja na Hispaniolu. Ona jest jemu dala pravomoč dělati vsečto on bude mněvati dělati. Ako došel v lětu 1500, prvo, čto jest on izdělal, bylo arestovati Kolumba i poslati jego nazad do Španije okovanogo. === Odnošenje k domorodnym ljudjam === Starajuči se izdělati španskyh oseljencev ščestnymi, Kolumb jest ustanovil sistem {{-|''[[Encomienda]]''}} na Hispaniolě. V tutom sistemu Kolumd daval jest děl zemje na Hispaniolě každomu španskomu oseljencu. Poněkogda on jest mogl dati i cělo domorodno selo.Vsi obyvatelji, ktore sut žili v tutom arealu, museli rabotati na španskogo oseljenca. Aborigeny sut žili na tutoj zemje stolětja, Kolumb jest razdaval jih zemju i prinudžal jih naslědno rabotati na toj zemje. == Pozdejši život == 23 avgusta 1500 Kolumb byl arestovany na Hispaniolě, ktora tutčas nazyvaje se [[Santo Domingo]] , za svirěpost k domorodnym obyvateljam, i osoblivo k špancam. On byl poslánym v Španju v okovah v oktobru 1500 goda i byl osvobodženym 25 dekembra 1500, i odvedenym v sud. Kolumb iměl vlivne prijatelji, i kralj jest vozvratil jemu svobodu. Jego ne dělali sut snova gubernatorom, ale dozvolili voditi nastupno putovanje. Kolumb jest umrl na [[nedostatočnost srdca]] i [[artrit]] v [[Vajadoid]]u v Španiji, v možnom věku 54 lět. == Osobny život == Srodniky Kolumba govorili sut, že on se rodil v [[Genoa|Genoe]] v [[Italija|Italiji]]. Tutdenj, historiky ne mogu isto skazati, kde on se rodil. Večšinstvo ekspertov mněvajut, že to, že on se rodil v Genoje, imaje največe podtvrdženij. Druge historiky myslet, že toj se rodil inokde, kako v Španiji ili [[Portugalija|Portugaliji]]. Něktore si myslet, že on byl originalno jevrej, [[Obračenje v religiju|obračeny]] v [[hristijanstvo]].<ref name="brit" /> V lětu 1477 Kolumb jest se [[Svatba|oženil]] s [[Felipa Moniz Perestrelo|Felipoju Moniz Perestrelo]]. Ona byla iz polublagorodnoj rodiny, iměvšej odnošenje k [[Morjeplavanje|morjeplavanju]]. Ona jest umrla někogda v 1479 ili 1480 lětu pri ridženju jih syna Diega.<ref>{{Cite book| last = Hume| first = Robert| title = Christopher Columbus and the European Discovery of America| year = 1992| publisher = Gracewing Publishing| isbn = 978-0-85244-211-1| pages = 19–20 }}</ref> V lětu 1485, byvši v [[Kordova|Kordove]] vo Španiji, Kolumb spoznal se s Beatriz Enrikes de Trasierra. Oni žili sut zajedno něktory čas. Oni sut iměli syna, ktorogo nazvali Fernando.<ref>{{Cite book| last = Beding| first = Silvio A.| title = The Christopher Columbus Encyclopedia| year = 2016| publisher = Springer| isbn = 978-1-349-12573-9| page = 24 }}</ref> == Cělje Kolumba == Kolumb iměl několiko različnyh cělov pri svojih putovanjah v Novy svět. Prvo, on jest věril, že može najdti kratšu i legšu dragu do Azije, kde byli sut věči, ktore v Evrope ne byli. On jest veril, že najde kratši put do [[Kitaj]]e. Druge ljudi nazyvali tutu věru [[wikt:absurd|absurdom]]. Kolumb jest htěl dokazati, že tute ljudi ne imali sut pravdu.<ref name="daniels">{{Cite book|url=https://archive.org/details/nationalgeograph0000dani_h7f1|title=National Geographic Almanac of World History|author=Daniels, Patricia|last2=Hyslop, Stephen Garrison|last3=Brinkley, Douglas|date=2011|publisher=National Geographic Books|isbn=978-1-4262-0890-4|pages=[https://archive.org/details/nationalgeograph0000dani_h7f1/page/184 184]-185|chapter=Navigating the Globe: 1492-1522.}}</ref> Vtoro, Kolumb jest htěl naidti [[zlato]]. Zlato bylo glavnym vidom peněz, koristanyh v kolumbovyh časah. V jego pismu španskomu kralju Ferdinandu i kraljevě Isabellě, Kolumb jest pisal: "Zlato jest najprvoredno; zlato jest skarb, i kdo imaje jego, dělaje čto želaje v tutom světu".<ref>{{Cite book| last = Franzosi| first = Roberto| title = From Words to Numbers: Narrative, Data, and Social Science| url = https://archive.org/details/fromwordstonumbe0000fran| year = 2004| publisher = Cambridge University Press| isbn = 978-0-521-54145-9| page = [https://archive.org/details/fromwordstonumbe0000fran/page/n163 140] }}</ref> Mnogo [[Historija|historikov]] mněvajut, že Kolumb htěl se stati važnoju osoboju, i da by se stal močnym, jemu trěba naidti zlato. ==Poslě Kolumba== Kogda špancy sut uznali o [[Novy svět|Novom světu]], mnogo [[konkistador]]ov, ili zavojevateljev sut prišli tudy. Tuto jest privedlo k [[Španska kolonizacija Ameriky|španskoj kolonizaciji Ameriky]]. Španske konkistadory prvo oseljili na ostrovah [[Hispaniola]] (tutčas tam sut [[Dominikanska republika]] i [[Haiti]]), [[Kuba]], i [[Puerto Riko]]. Oni sut nagrabili tolik zlata, koliko smogli. Špancy sut takože privezli [[svečenik]]ov i prinudili domorodnyh amerikancov [[Obračenje v religiju|obračati]] se v [[hristijanstvo]]. == Naslědstvo == V [[Sjedinjene štaty Ameriky|Sjedinjenyh Štatah]] [[Denj Kolumba]] jest svetkom, ktory proslavjaje prihod Kolumba v Novy svět 12 oktobra 1492.<ref>{{Cite web|title=Columbus Day|url=https://www.history.com/topics/exploration/columbus-day-video|publisher=|via=www.history.com}}</ref> Světova kolumbijska vystavka byla provědena v lětu 1893 v Čikagu, Illinoj za proslavjenje 400-toj ročnicy vizita Kolumba v Ameriku.<ref name="WDL">{{Cite web |url = http://www.wdl.org/en/item/11369/ |title = Bird's-Eye View of the World's Columbian Exposition, Chicago, 1893 |website = World Digital Library |date = 1893 |accessdate = 2013-07-17 }}</ref> Medžu 1492 i 1930 lětami vyše než 60 milionov evropejcev sut migrovali v Ameriku. Vrh tutoj migracije byl v 19-om i v načalu 20-go stolětja. Masovo prěseljenje evropejcev v Novy svět bylo jednim iz največših presunov naseljenja v historiji. ==Linky i referencije== {{Iztočniky}} ==Vnešnje linky== * ''Tuty članok sodrživaje prěklad iz članka {{-|«[[:simple:Christopher_Columbus|Christopher Columbus]]»}} v Vikipediji na prostom anglijskom ([https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christopher_Columbus&action=history spis avtorov]; dozvoljeńje [[ccorg:licenses/by-sa/4.0/|{{-|CC BY-SA 4.0}}]]).' * ''Tuty članok sodrživaje prěklad iz članka {{-|«[[:en:Christopher_Columbus|Christopher Columbus]]»}} v Vikipediji na anglijskom ([https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christopher_Columbus&action=history spis avtorov]; dozvoljeńje [[ccorg:licenses/by-sa/4.0/|{{-|CC BY-SA 4.0}}]]).' {{Sortovati|Kolumb, Hristofor}} [[Kategorija:Izslědovatelji]] [[Kategorija:Italijani]] {{INTERWIKI|Q7322}} f2sm0v8cvh95d3biqtgcbyx539a0ojt 28683 28682 2026-07-14T14:37:30Z Ilja isv 10 28683 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka osoba | honorific-prefix = Admiral okeana i morja | name = Hristofor Kolumb | image = [[Fajl:Portrait of a Man, Said to be Christopher Columbus.jpg|thumb|Prědpokladany portret Hristofora Kolumba, [[Sebastiano del Piombo]]<ref>{{Cite journal |last1=Lester |first1=Paul M. |title=Looks are deceiving: The portraits of Christopher Columbus |journal=Visual Anthropology |date=January 1993 |volume=5 |issue=3–4 |pages=211–227 |doi=10.1080/08949468.1993.9966590 |issn=0894-9468}}</ref>]] | order = 1-y | office = Gubernator Indije | term_start = 1492 | term_end = 1499 | appointed = [[Isabella I of Castile]] | predecessor = ne byl | successor = [[Francisko de Bobadija]] | birth_date = medžu 25 avgustom i 31 oktobrom 1451 | birth_place = [[Genoa]], [[Republika Genoa]] | death_date = 20 maja 1506 (vo věku 54 lět) | death_place = [[Vajadolid]], [[Kastilija]] | resting_place = [[Seviljska katedrala]], Sevilja, Španja | spouse = [[Filipa Monis Perestrelo]], 1479-1484 (umrla) | partner = [[Beatris Enrikes de Arana]] | children = [[Diego Kolumb|Diego]] • [[Ferdinand Kolumb|Ferdinand]] • [[Diego Kolumb (Lusajan)|Diego (adopt. kako Lusajan)]] | mother = [[Susanna Fontanarossa]] | father = [[Domeniko Kolombo]] | relatives = [[Bartolomej Kolumb]] (brat) | profession = [[Morsky izslědovatelj]] | signature = [[Fajl:Columbus Signature.svg|center|300px]] }} '''Hristofor Kolumb''' (1451-1506) byl italijskym [[Trgovanje|kupcom]], [[Izslědovanje|izslědovateljem]] i morjeplavateljem. Občo mněnje jest, že on se rodil v Genoe v roku 1451, kako syn tkača imenom [[Domeniko Kolombo]] i krojačky imenom [[Susanna Fontanarossa]]. Jestvuje mnogo alternativnyh teorij jego proizhodženja, ale oni ne razvažajut věčšinstvom naučnikov. "Hristofor Kolumb" jest [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk|medžuslovjanskoju]] versijeju jego imena. Na [[Italijsky jezyk|italijskom]] jego ime bylo originalno {{Lang|it|Cristoforo Colombo}}'''.''' V roku 1492 Kolumb izlodil se na [[Bahamy|Bahamah]] kako prvy evropejec v historiji. Jego prvonačelnoju mětoju bylo najdti bystrějši put v [[Azija|Aziju]] iz [[Evropa|Evropy]]. On jest poznany kako člověk, odkryvavši [[Novy svět]], zatože jego putovanje počalo jest eru [[Evropejska kolonizacija Ameriky|Evropejskoj kolonizacije Ameriky]]. Tuto byl važny moment v Evropejskoj historiji. Podčas togo, že [[Lejf Erikson]] byl, prividno, prvym evropejcom, ktory se izlodil na zemjah [[Amerika|Ameriky]], to sobytje ne bylo dobro zadokumentovano i ne privedlo k naslědnomu kontaktu medžu Evropoju i Novym světom. Rezultatom byli prěnos skota, hvorob, zrna i nevoljnikov. Kogda [[Španija|špancy]] sut dověděli se, že Kolumb jest našel [[Novy svět]], mnogo drugyh ljudij, nazvanyh [[konkistador]]ami, sut pošli tudy takože. Tuto jest privedlo ko [[Španska kolonizacija Ameriky|Španskoj kolonizaciji Ameriky]]. Kolumb jest umrl 20 maja 1506, v [[Vajadolid]]u v [[Španija|Španiji]]. == Odkrytje Ameriky == Kolumb byl prvym evropejcom, ktory jest odkryl [[Amerika|Ameriku]], s izključenjem [[Lejfa Erikson]]a. == Putovanje v 1492 == Mnogo ljudij v [[Zapadna Evropa|Zapadnoj Evrope]] sut htěli najdti kratši put da by dosegnuti Azije. Kolumb jest mněval, že on bude mogti dostati se do Azije plavanjem črěz [[zapad]]. V toj čas uže byl dokaz, že [[Zemja]] jest krugla, ale on ne jest znal o jestvovanju [[Zapadna polusfera|Zapadnoj polusfery]], ktora jest tak velika, že by jemu ne dozvolila dostati se do Azije.<ref name="brit">{{Cite web |url=http://www.britannica.com/biography/Christopher-Columbus |title=Christopher Columbus |author=Flint, Valerie I.J. |date=February 11, 2016 |website=Encyclopædia Britannica |publisher=Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc |accessdate=April 20, 2016 |quote=}}</ref> Bez obzirov na tuto, Kolumb ne jest iměl dost grošov da by zaplatiti samostojno za svoje putovanje. Po razgromu [[Granadsky emirat|Granadskogo emirata]], vladari Španije, [[Ferdinand II Aragonsky|Ferdinand II]] i [[Isabella I Kastiljska|Isabella {{-|I}} Kastiljska]], sut suglasili zaplatiti jemu putovanje. On jest oběčal privezti nazad [[zlato]] i ''pripravy'' za njih.<ref name=brit/> [[Fajl:Sebastien Destremau (11).jpg|thumb|left|Tuta 60-futova loď imaje jednaku dolžinu s največšim korabom Kolumba]] V avgustu 1492 g., Kolumb i jego [[morjak]]y sut ostavili Španju na trěh korabah: {{-|''[[Santa Maria (korab)|Santa María]]''}} (Sveta Marija), {{-|''[[Pinta (korab)|Pinta]]''}} (Kolorovana), i {{-|''Santa Clara''}} (prězvana kako {{-|''[[Ninja (korab)|Niña]]''}}: mala děvčinka).<ref>Columbus Day. The History Channel Website. Retrieved January 28, 2013.http://www.history.com/topics/columbus-day</ref> Tute tri koraba byli velmi malymi. Historiky mněvajut, že največsa lod {{Lang|es|Santa María}} byla toliko 60&nbsp;futov (18.3&nbsp;m) dolga, i priblizno od 16 do 19&nbsp;futov (od 4.8 do 5.8&nbsp;m) široka.<ref>{{Cite book| last = Gould| first = Richard A.| title = Archaeology and the Social History of Ships| url = https://archive.org/details/archaeologysocia0000goul| year = 2000| publisher = Cambridge University Press| isbn = 978-0-521-56789-3| page = [https://archive.org/details/archaeologysocia0000goul/page/206 206] }}</ref><ref name="The Worlds of Christopher Columbus">{{Cite book| last1 = Phillips| first1 = William D.| last2 = Phillips| first2 = Carla Rahn| title = The Worlds of Christopher Columbus| url = https://archive.org/details/worldsofchristop0000phil| year = 1992| publisher = Cambridge University Press| isbn = 978-0-521-44652-5| pages = [https://archive.org/details/worldsofchristop0000phil/page/143 143]–145 }}</ref> Ostalne koraby Kolumba byli ješče menšimi. Historiky mněvajut, že oni byli priblizno 50-60 futov dolgymi.<ref name="The Worlds of Christopher Columbus"/> ===Putovanje=== 12 oktobra 1492, poslě priblizno četyreh měsecov plavanja, Kolumb jest debarkoval se na malom ostrove na [[Bahamy|Bahamah]]. Městne sut nazyvali ostrov Guanahani; Kolumb jego jest prěimenoval v [[San Salvador Island|San Salvador]] ("Svety Spasitel"). On jest spoznal se s domorodnymi amerikancami [[Arawak people|Arawakami]] i [[Taino]], ktore sut žili na ostrově. Oni byli prijatelske i mirne ko Kolumbu i jego ekipě. Ne znajuči, kde on byl, i mněvajuči, že jest dosegl Indije, on jest nazval jih "Indejcy". On jest proglasil jih zemju za špansku.<ref>"Christopher Columbus." Explorers & Discoverers of the World. Gale, 1993. Gale Biography In Context. Web. February 5, 2013.</ref> Potom Kolumb jest plyl na ostrov [[Kuba]], i dalje na ostrov [[Hispanjola]]. Na Hispanjolě on jest izbudoval [[fort]]. Tuto byla jedna iz prvyh evropejskyh [[Vojsko|vojennyh]] baz v [[Zapadna polusfera|Zapadnoj polusferě]]. On nazval jego Navidad (na španskom "[[Rodženje]]"). Tam on ostavil trideset devet členov ekipy, i prikazal jim iskati i stražiti zlato.<ref name="chacon">{{Cite book| last1 = Chacon| first1 = Richard J.| last2 = Mendoza| first2 = Ruben G.| title = Latin American Indigenous Warfare and Ritual Violence| date = 2007| publisher = University of Arizona Press| isbn = 978-0-8165-2527-0| pages = 95–96 }}</ref> ===Odnošenje k domorodnym ljudjam=== V denj, kogda on jest pristal na Bahamah, Kolumb jest napisal o arawakah i taino:<blockquote>Oni muset byti dobrymi i sručnymi [[sluga]]mi, [ako] oni povtorjajut veliko bystro vsečto my jim govorimo. Ja dumaju, jih by bylo velmi legko izdělati [[Hristijanstvo|hristijanami]], bo oni, kako izglědaje, ne imajut nikaku [[Religija|religiju]] ... Ja vozmu šest od njih ... kogda budu [izhoditi, da by] oni mogli naučiti se našemu [[jezyk]]u ... S 50 ljudjmi vy možete pokarjati vseh i prinudžati jih dělati to, čto vy hčete.<ref>{{Cite book| last = Tinker| first = George E.| title = Missionary Conquest: The Gospel and Native American Cultural Genocide| url = https://archive.org/details/missionaryconque0000tink| date = 1993| publisher = Fortress Press| isbn = 978-1-4514-0840-9| page = [https://archive.org/details/missionaryconque0000tink/page/8 8] }}</ref></blockquote> Suglasno {{-|[[Encyclopædia Britannica]]}}: <div align=center><gallery perrow="6"> File:Conceptions Colomb map-fr.svg|Kolumb mněval jest, žr svět je taky File:Santa-Maria.jpg|Replika koraba ''Santa Maria'' File:Landing of Columbus (2).jpg|[[Živopis]]ny obraz Kolumba pri izloďenju v Novom světu File:Columbus landing on Hispaniola.JPG|Obraz Kolumba pri izloďenju na Hispaniolě File:Columbus1.PNG|Karta prvogo putovanja Kolumba File:2.- DCVIII.0001.tif|Pismo od Kolumba (1493) </gallery></div> ==Vtoro putovanje== 24 septembra 1493 Kolumb ostavil Španju s dostatočnoju kolikostju korabov, zapasov i ljudij na to, da by [[Vtrgnutje|vtrgnuti]] i [[Kolonializm|izdělati španske kolonije]] v Novom světu. On iměl 17 korabov i 1,200 ljudij. Tute ljudi byli [[Vojsko|vojovniki]] i [[Zemjedělstvo|zemjedělci]]. Medžu njimi byli sut takože svečenniki, rabotoju ktoryh bylo [[Misionerstvo|obračati]] domorodcov v [[hristijanstvo]].<ref>{{Cite book| last = Bacchus| first = M.K.| title = Utilization, Misuse, and Development of Human Resources in the Early West Indian Colonies| url = https://archive.org/details/utilizationmisus0000bacc| year = 1990| publisher = Wilfrid Laurier University Press| isbn = 0-88920-982-0| pages = [https://archive.org/details/utilizationmisus0000bacc/page/6 6]–7 }}</ref> Na tutom putu, Kolumb jest izslědoval něktore ostrova iz [[Male Antilske ostrovy|Malyh Antilskyh]]. On jest obplyl vokrug večšiny Hispanjoly i izslědoval strany [[Jamajka|Jamajky]] i [[Kuba|Kuby]], ktore on ne jest viděl na svojom prvom putovanju. Potom on jest vratil se v fort Navidad i dověděl se, že toj jest izgorěl. Jedinadset od 37 vojovnikov, ktoryh Kolumb jest nehal vo fortu, sut byli tam pogrebeni. Ostalne sut izčezli. Historiky mněvajut, že to bylo vslěd hvorob i bojovanja s narodom Arawak.<ref name=chacon /> === Odnošenje k domorodnym ljudjam === Dokolě Kolumb byl proč od Navidada, izslědovavši Jamajku i Kubu, jego vovjovniky sut prěstali rabotati na izbudovanju novogo forta i zemjedělišč. Oni prinudžali arawakov davati jim jedanje. Oni sut kradli věči arawakov i nasilovali jih žen. Kogda Kolumb jest o tom se dovědal, on jest prikazal jih [[Smrtna kaznj|povesiti]]. Něktore vodže arawakov sut viděli Kolumba kako sojuznika svojih neprijateljev i napadli njego. Ale, špancy iměli mnogo orudžja, ktorogo arawaky sut nikogdy ne viděli, kako [[stalj]]ne [[meč]]e, [[Pika|piky]], [[samostrěl]]y, [[Pes|psov]] i [[konj]]ev. Tuto jest pomogalo špancam velmi legko izygryvati boje protiv arawakov.<ref>{{Cite book| last1 = Lindaman| first1 = Dana| last2 = Ward| first2 = Kyle| title = History Lessons: How Textbooks from Around the World Portray U.S. History| year = 2006| publisher = The New Press| isbn = 1-59558-082-4| pages = 10–12 }}</ref> Kolumb iměl mnogo buntov protiv sebe i vojoval protiv mnogyh domorodvyh vodžev, ktore sut viděli jego kako zagrabnika i sojuznika Grakangari, vodža, s ktorym toj jest družil. Oni sut byli bystro razbity s pomočju evropejskyh iznahodok. Na tyh časteh ostrova, ktore jest zavojoval Kolumb, ne bylo tak mnogo zlata, i Kolumb prikazal prěstati jego iskati. ==Tretje putovanje== Kolumb jest odpravil se v dalše putovanje v lětu 1498. Kralju Žuanu II v Portugaliji skazali sut, že k jugozapadu od ostrovov [[Kap Verd]] jest [[kontinent]]. Na svojom tretjem putovanju Kolumb jest htěl najdti toj kontinent.<ref>Morison, Samuel Eliot (1963). ''Journals & Other Documents on the Life & Voyages of Christopher Columbus.'' New York: The Heritage Press. p. 262. ASIN B002KR8WPQ.</ref> Pri jego naputstvovanju kraljevna Isabella pripomnila Kolumbu, že on musi odnositi se ko vsem domorodnym ljudjam dobro i musi iz njih izdělati [[Hristijanstvo|hristijan]]. V tutom putovanju Kolumb jest poslal tri koraba rovno do West Indije ([[Karibske ostrovy|Karibov]]). Sam on vedl tri drugyh koraba, prvo ko dvom portugalskym ostrovam, potom ko [[Kanarske ostrovy|Kanarskym ostrovam]], potom do [[Kap Verd]]u. Od Kap Verda, oni sut plyli k sěverozapadnomu pribrěžju [[Južna Amerika|Južnoj Ameriky]] i pristali na [[Trinidad]]u. On takože jest izslědoval čest Juňoj Ameriky i ostrova, ktore tutčas nazyvajut se [[Tobago]] i [[Grenada]]. 19 avgusta 1498 Kolumb jest vratil se na Hispaniolu. On jest uznal, že mnoge španske oseljenci tam ne byli ščestni. Oni sut myslili, že v Novom světu bude vyše zlata. Mnoge iy njih sut buntovali, kogda on byl pryč. Kolumb jest povesil peteryh liderov buntov. On takože staral se obradovati staljnyh oseljencev i jest daval jim zemju na Hispaniolě. Jednakože, seljenci prodolžali posilati žaloby do Španije. V lětu 1499, kraljevna Isabella jest poslala člověka imenom Francisko de Bobadilja na Hispaniolu. Ona jest jemu dala pravomoč dělati vsečto on bude mněvati dělati. Ako došel v lětu 1500, prvo, čto jest on izdělal, bylo arestovati Kolumba i poslati jego nazad do Španije okovanogo. === Odnošenje k domorodnym ljudjam === Starajuči se izdělati španskyh oseljencev ščestnymi, Kolumb jest ustanovil sistem {{-|''[[Encomienda]]''}} na Hispaniolě. V tutom sistemu Kolumd daval jest děl zemje na Hispaniolě každomu španskomu oseljencu. Poněkogda on jest mogl dati i cělo domorodno selo.Vsi obyvatelji, ktore sut žili v tutom arealu, museli rabotati na španskogo oseljenca. Aborigeny sut žili na tutoj zemje stolětja, Kolumb jest razdaval jih zemju i prinudžal jih naslědno rabotati na toj zemje. == Pozdejši život == 23 avgusta 1500 Kolumb byl arestovany na Hispaniolě, ktora tutčas nazyvaje se [[Santo Domingo]] , za svirěpost k domorodnym obyvateljam, i osoblivo k špancam. On byl poslánym v Španju v okovah v oktobru 1500 goda i byl osvobodženym 25 dekembra 1500, i odvedenym v sud. Kolumb iměl vlivne prijatelji, i kralj jest vozvratil jemu svobodu. Jego ne dělali sut snova gubernatorom, ale dozvolili voditi nastupno putovanje. Kolumb jest umrl na [[nedostatočnost srdca]] i [[artrit]] v [[Vajadoid]]u v Španiji, v možnom věku 54 lět. == Osobny život == Srodniky Kolumba govorili sut, že on se rodil v [[Genoa|Genoe]] v [[Italija|Italiji]]. Tutdenj, historiky ne mogu isto skazati, kde on se rodil. Večšinstvo ekspertov mněvajut, že to, že on se rodil v Genoje, imaje največe podtvrdženij. Druge historiky myslet, že toj se rodil inokde, kako v Španiji ili [[Portugalija|Portugaliji]]. Něktore si myslet, že on byl originalno jevrej, [[Obračenje v religiju|obračeny]] v [[hristijanstvo]].<ref name="brit" /> V lětu 1477 Kolumb jest se [[Svatba|oženil]] s [[Felipa Moniz Perestrelo|Felipoju Moniz Perestrelo]]. Ona byla iz polublagorodnoj rodiny, iměvšej odnošenje k [[Morjeplavanje|morjeplavanju]]. Ona jest umrla někogda v 1479 ili 1480 lětu pri ridženju jih syna Diega.<ref>{{Cite book| last = Hume| first = Robert| title = Christopher Columbus and the European Discovery of America| year = 1992| publisher = Gracewing Publishing| isbn = 978-0-85244-211-1| pages = 19–20 }}</ref> V lětu 1485, byvši v [[Kordova|Kordove]] vo Španiji, Kolumb spoznal se s Beatriz Enrikes de Trasierra. Oni žili sut zajedno něktory čas. Oni sut iměli syna, ktorogo nazvali Fernando.<ref>{{Cite book| last = Beding| first = Silvio A.| title = The Christopher Columbus Encyclopedia| year = 2016| publisher = Springer| isbn = 978-1-349-12573-9| page = 24 }}</ref> == Cělje Kolumba == Kolumb iměl několiko različnyh cělov pri svojih putovanjah v Novy svět. Prvo, on jest věril, že može najdti kratšu i legšu dragu do Azije, kde byli sut věči, ktore v Evrope ne byli. On jest veril, že najde kratši put do [[Kitaj]]e. Druge ljudi nazyvali tutu věru [[wikt:absurd|absurdom]]. Kolumb jest htěl dokazati, že tute ljudi ne imali sut pravdu.<ref name="daniels">{{Cite book|url=https://archive.org/details/nationalgeograph0000dani_h7f1|title=National Geographic Almanac of World History|author=Daniels, Patricia|last2=Hyslop, Stephen Garrison|last3=Brinkley, Douglas|date=2011|publisher=National Geographic Books|isbn=978-1-4262-0890-4|pages=[https://archive.org/details/nationalgeograph0000dani_h7f1/page/184 184]-185|chapter=Navigating the Globe: 1492-1522.}}</ref> Vtoro, Kolumb jest htěl naidti [[zlato]]. Zlato bylo glavnym vidom peněz, koristanyh v kolumbovyh časah. V jego pismu španskomu kralju Ferdinandu i kraljevě Isabellě, Kolumb jest pisal: "Zlato jest najprvoredno; zlato jest skarb, i kdo imaje jego, dělaje čto želaje v tutom světu".<ref>{{Cite book| last = Franzosi| first = Roberto| title = From Words to Numbers: Narrative, Data, and Social Science| url = https://archive.org/details/fromwordstonumbe0000fran| year = 2004| publisher = Cambridge University Press| isbn = 978-0-521-54145-9| page = [https://archive.org/details/fromwordstonumbe0000fran/page/n163 140] }}</ref> Mnogo [[Historija|historikov]] mněvajut, že Kolumb htěl se stati važnoju osoboju, i da by se stal močnym, jemu trěba naidti zlato. ==Poslě Kolumba== Kogda špancy sut uznali o [[Novy svět|Novom světu]], mnogo [[konkistador]]ov, ili zavojevateljev sut prišli tudy. Tuto jest privedlo k [[Španska kolonizacija Ameriky|španskoj kolonizaciji Ameriky]]. Španske konkistadory prvo oseljili na ostrovah [[Hispaniola]] (tutčas tam sut [[Dominikanska republika]] i [[Haiti]]), [[Kuba]], i [[Puerto Riko]]. Oni sut nagrabili tolik zlata, koliko smogli. Špancy sut takože privezli [[svečenik]]ov i prinudili domorodnyh amerikancov [[Obračenje v religiju|obračati]] se v [[hristijanstvo]]. == Naslědstvo == V [[Sjedinjene štaty Ameriky|Sjedinjenyh Štatah]] [[Denj Kolumba]] jest svetkom, ktory proslavjaje prihod Kolumba v Novy svět 12 oktobra 1492.<ref>{{Cite web|title=Columbus Day|url=https://www.history.com/topics/exploration/columbus-day-video|publisher=|via=www.history.com}}</ref> Světova kolumbijska vystavka byla provědena v lětu 1893 v Čikagu, Illinoj za proslavjenje 400-toj ročnicy vizita Kolumba v Ameriku.<ref name="WDL">{{Cite web |url = http://www.wdl.org/en/item/11369/ |title = Bird's-Eye View of the World's Columbian Exposition, Chicago, 1893 |website = World Digital Library |date = 1893 |accessdate = 2013-07-17 }}</ref> Medžu 1492 i 1930 lětami vyše než 60 milionov evropejcev sut migrovali v Ameriku. Vrh tutoj migracije byl v 19-om i v načalu 20-go stolětja. Masovo prěseljenje evropejcev v Novy svět bylo jednim iz največših presunov naseljenja v historiji. ==Linky i referencije== {{Iztočniky}} ==Vnešnje linky== * ''Tuty članok sodrživaje prěklad iz članka {{-|«[[:simple:Christopher_Columbus|Christopher Columbus]]»}} v Vikipediji na prostom anglijskom ([https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christopher_Columbus&action=history spis avtorov]; dozvoljeńje [[ccorg:licenses/by-sa/4.0/|{{-|CC BY-SA 4.0}}]]).' * ''Tuty članok sodrživaje prěklad iz članka {{-|«[[:en:Christopher_Columbus|Christopher Columbus]]»}} v Vikipediji na anglijskom ([https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christopher_Columbus&action=history spis avtorov]; dozvoljeńje [[ccorg:licenses/by-sa/4.0/|{{-|CC BY-SA 4.0}}]]).' {{Sortovati|Kolumb, Hristofor}} [[Kategorija:Izslědovatelji]] [[Kategorija:Italijani]] {{INTERWIKI|Q7322}} rq6oppzznygn2loswsyz0p4dcu33rm7 28684 28683 2026-07-14T14:38:42Z Ilja isv 10 28684 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka osoba | honorific-prefix = Admiral okeana i morja | name = Hristofor Kolumb | image = [[Fajl:Portrait of a Man, Said to be Christopher Columbus.jpg|300px|Prědpokladany portret Hristofora Kolumba, [[Sebastiano del Piombo]]<ref>{{Cite journal |last1=Lester |first1=Paul M. |title=Looks are deceiving: The portraits of Christopher Columbus |journal=Visual Anthropology |date=January 1993 |volume=5 |issue=3–4 |pages=211–227 |doi=10.1080/08949468.1993.9966590 |issn=0894-9468}}</ref>]]<br/> | order = 1-y | office = Gubernator Indije | term_start = 1492 | term_end = 1499 | appointed = [[Isabella I of Castile]] | predecessor = ne byl | successor = [[Francisko de Bobadija]] | birth_date = medžu 25 avgustom i 31 oktobrom 1451 | birth_place = [[Genoa]], [[Republika Genoa]] | death_date = 20 maja 1506 (vo věku 54 lět) | death_place = [[Vajadolid]], [[Kastilija]] | resting_place = [[Seviljska katedrala]], Sevilja, Španja | spouse = [[Filipa Monis Perestrelo]], 1479-1484 (umrla) | partner = [[Beatris Enrikes de Arana]] | children = [[Diego Kolumb|Diego]] • [[Ferdinand Kolumb|Ferdinand]] • [[Diego Kolumb (Lusajan)|Diego (adopt. kako Lusajan)]] | mother = [[Susanna Fontanarossa]] | father = [[Domeniko Kolombo]] | relatives = [[Bartolomej Kolumb]] (brat) | profession = [[Morsky izslědovatelj]] | signature = [[Fajl:Columbus Signature.svg|center|300px]] }} '''Hristofor Kolumb''' (1451-1506) byl italijskym [[Trgovanje|kupcom]], [[Izslědovanje|izslědovateljem]] i morjeplavateljem. Občo mněnje jest, že on se rodil v Genoe v roku 1451, kako syn tkača imenom [[Domeniko Kolombo]] i krojačky imenom [[Susanna Fontanarossa]]. Jestvuje mnogo alternativnyh teorij jego proizhodženja, ale oni ne razvažajut věčšinstvom naučnikov. "Hristofor Kolumb" jest [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk|medžuslovjanskoju]] versijeju jego imena. Na [[Italijsky jezyk|italijskom]] jego ime bylo originalno {{Lang|it|Cristoforo Colombo}}'''.''' V roku 1492 Kolumb izlodil se na [[Bahamy|Bahamah]] kako prvy evropejec v historiji. Jego prvonačelnoju mětoju bylo najdti bystrějši put v [[Azija|Aziju]] iz [[Evropa|Evropy]]. On jest poznany kako člověk, odkryvavši [[Novy svět]], zatože jego putovanje počalo jest eru [[Evropejska kolonizacija Ameriky|Evropejskoj kolonizacije Ameriky]]. Tuto byl važny moment v Evropejskoj historiji. Podčas togo, že [[Lejf Erikson]] byl, prividno, prvym evropejcom, ktory se izlodil na zemjah [[Amerika|Ameriky]], to sobytje ne bylo dobro zadokumentovano i ne privedlo k naslědnomu kontaktu medžu Evropoju i Novym světom. Rezultatom byli prěnos skota, hvorob, zrna i nevoljnikov. Kogda [[Španija|špancy]] sut dověděli se, že Kolumb jest našel [[Novy svět]], mnogo drugyh ljudij, nazvanyh [[konkistador]]ami, sut pošli tudy takože. Tuto jest privedlo ko [[Španska kolonizacija Ameriky|Španskoj kolonizaciji Ameriky]]. Kolumb jest umrl 20 maja 1506, v [[Vajadolid]]u v [[Španija|Španiji]]. == Odkrytje Ameriky == Kolumb byl prvym evropejcom, ktory jest odkryl [[Amerika|Ameriku]], s izključenjem [[Lejfa Erikson]]a. == Putovanje v 1492 == Mnogo ljudij v [[Zapadna Evropa|Zapadnoj Evrope]] sut htěli najdti kratši put da by dosegnuti Azije. Kolumb jest mněval, že on bude mogti dostati se do Azije plavanjem črěz [[zapad]]. V toj čas uže byl dokaz, že [[Zemja]] jest krugla, ale on ne jest znal o jestvovanju [[Zapadna polusfera|Zapadnoj polusfery]], ktora jest tak velika, že by jemu ne dozvolila dostati se do Azije.<ref name="brit">{{Cite web |url=http://www.britannica.com/biography/Christopher-Columbus |title=Christopher Columbus |author=Flint, Valerie I.J. |date=February 11, 2016 |website=Encyclopædia Britannica |publisher=Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc |accessdate=April 20, 2016 |quote=}}</ref> Bez obzirov na tuto, Kolumb ne jest iměl dost grošov da by zaplatiti samostojno za svoje putovanje. Po razgromu [[Granadsky emirat|Granadskogo emirata]], vladari Španije, [[Ferdinand II Aragonsky|Ferdinand II]] i [[Isabella I Kastiljska|Isabella {{-|I}} Kastiljska]], sut suglasili zaplatiti jemu putovanje. On jest oběčal privezti nazad [[zlato]] i ''pripravy'' za njih.<ref name=brit/> [[Fajl:Sebastien Destremau (11).jpg|thumb|left|Tuta 60-futova loď imaje jednaku dolžinu s največšim korabom Kolumba]] V avgustu 1492 g., Kolumb i jego [[morjak]]y sut ostavili Španju na trěh korabah: {{-|''[[Santa Maria (korab)|Santa María]]''}} (Sveta Marija), {{-|''[[Pinta (korab)|Pinta]]''}} (Kolorovana), i {{-|''Santa Clara''}} (prězvana kako {{-|''[[Ninja (korab)|Niña]]''}}: mala děvčinka).<ref>Columbus Day. The History Channel Website. Retrieved January 28, 2013.http://www.history.com/topics/columbus-day</ref> Tute tri koraba byli velmi malymi. Historiky mněvajut, že največsa lod {{Lang|es|Santa María}} byla toliko 60&nbsp;futov (18.3&nbsp;m) dolga, i priblizno od 16 do 19&nbsp;futov (od 4.8 do 5.8&nbsp;m) široka.<ref>{{Cite book| last = Gould| first = Richard A.| title = Archaeology and the Social History of Ships| url = https://archive.org/details/archaeologysocia0000goul| year = 2000| publisher = Cambridge University Press| isbn = 978-0-521-56789-3| page = [https://archive.org/details/archaeologysocia0000goul/page/206 206] }}</ref><ref name="The Worlds of Christopher Columbus">{{Cite book| last1 = Phillips| first1 = William D.| last2 = Phillips| first2 = Carla Rahn| title = The Worlds of Christopher Columbus| url = https://archive.org/details/worldsofchristop0000phil| year = 1992| publisher = Cambridge University Press| isbn = 978-0-521-44652-5| pages = [https://archive.org/details/worldsofchristop0000phil/page/143 143]–145 }}</ref> Ostalne koraby Kolumba byli ješče menšimi. Historiky mněvajut, že oni byli priblizno 50-60 futov dolgymi.<ref name="The Worlds of Christopher Columbus"/> ===Putovanje=== 12 oktobra 1492, poslě priblizno četyreh měsecov plavanja, Kolumb jest debarkoval se na malom ostrove na [[Bahamy|Bahamah]]. Městne sut nazyvali ostrov Guanahani; Kolumb jego jest prěimenoval v [[San Salvador Island|San Salvador]] ("Svety Spasitel"). On jest spoznal se s domorodnymi amerikancami [[Arawak people|Arawakami]] i [[Taino]], ktore sut žili na ostrově. Oni byli prijatelske i mirne ko Kolumbu i jego ekipě. Ne znajuči, kde on byl, i mněvajuči, že jest dosegl Indije, on jest nazval jih "Indejcy". On jest proglasil jih zemju za špansku.<ref>"Christopher Columbus." Explorers & Discoverers of the World. Gale, 1993. Gale Biography In Context. Web. February 5, 2013.</ref> Potom Kolumb jest plyl na ostrov [[Kuba]], i dalje na ostrov [[Hispanjola]]. Na Hispanjolě on jest izbudoval [[fort]]. Tuto byla jedna iz prvyh evropejskyh [[Vojsko|vojennyh]] baz v [[Zapadna polusfera|Zapadnoj polusferě]]. On nazval jego Navidad (na španskom "[[Rodženje]]"). Tam on ostavil trideset devet členov ekipy, i prikazal jim iskati i stražiti zlato.<ref name="chacon">{{Cite book| last1 = Chacon| first1 = Richard J.| last2 = Mendoza| first2 = Ruben G.| title = Latin American Indigenous Warfare and Ritual Violence| date = 2007| publisher = University of Arizona Press| isbn = 978-0-8165-2527-0| pages = 95–96 }}</ref> ===Odnošenje k domorodnym ljudjam=== V denj, kogda on jest pristal na Bahamah, Kolumb jest napisal o arawakah i taino:<blockquote>Oni muset byti dobrymi i sručnymi [[sluga]]mi, [ako] oni povtorjajut veliko bystro vsečto my jim govorimo. Ja dumaju, jih by bylo velmi legko izdělati [[Hristijanstvo|hristijanami]], bo oni, kako izglědaje, ne imajut nikaku [[Religija|religiju]] ... Ja vozmu šest od njih ... kogda budu [izhoditi, da by] oni mogli naučiti se našemu [[jezyk]]u ... S 50 ljudjmi vy možete pokarjati vseh i prinudžati jih dělati to, čto vy hčete.<ref>{{Cite book| last = Tinker| first = George E.| title = Missionary Conquest: The Gospel and Native American Cultural Genocide| url = https://archive.org/details/missionaryconque0000tink| date = 1993| publisher = Fortress Press| isbn = 978-1-4514-0840-9| page = [https://archive.org/details/missionaryconque0000tink/page/8 8] }}</ref></blockquote> Suglasno {{-|[[Encyclopædia Britannica]]}}: <div align=center><gallery perrow="6"> File:Conceptions Colomb map-fr.svg|Kolumb mněval jest, žr svět je taky File:Santa-Maria.jpg|Replika koraba ''Santa Maria'' File:Landing of Columbus (2).jpg|[[Živopis]]ny obraz Kolumba pri izloďenju v Novom světu File:Columbus landing on Hispaniola.JPG|Obraz Kolumba pri izloďenju na Hispaniolě File:Columbus1.PNG|Karta prvogo putovanja Kolumba File:2.- DCVIII.0001.tif|Pismo od Kolumba (1493) </gallery></div> ==Vtoro putovanje== 24 septembra 1493 Kolumb ostavil Španju s dostatočnoju kolikostju korabov, zapasov i ljudij na to, da by [[Vtrgnutje|vtrgnuti]] i [[Kolonializm|izdělati španske kolonije]] v Novom světu. On iměl 17 korabov i 1,200 ljudij. Tute ljudi byli [[Vojsko|vojovniki]] i [[Zemjedělstvo|zemjedělci]]. Medžu njimi byli sut takože svečenniki, rabotoju ktoryh bylo [[Misionerstvo|obračati]] domorodcov v [[hristijanstvo]].<ref>{{Cite book| last = Bacchus| first = M.K.| title = Utilization, Misuse, and Development of Human Resources in the Early West Indian Colonies| url = https://archive.org/details/utilizationmisus0000bacc| year = 1990| publisher = Wilfrid Laurier University Press| isbn = 0-88920-982-0| pages = [https://archive.org/details/utilizationmisus0000bacc/page/6 6]–7 }}</ref> Na tutom putu, Kolumb jest izslědoval něktore ostrova iz [[Male Antilske ostrovy|Malyh Antilskyh]]. On jest obplyl vokrug večšiny Hispanjoly i izslědoval strany [[Jamajka|Jamajky]] i [[Kuba|Kuby]], ktore on ne jest viděl na svojom prvom putovanju. Potom on jest vratil se v fort Navidad i dověděl se, že toj jest izgorěl. Jedinadset od 37 vojovnikov, ktoryh Kolumb jest nehal vo fortu, sut byli tam pogrebeni. Ostalne sut izčezli. Historiky mněvajut, že to bylo vslěd hvorob i bojovanja s narodom Arawak.<ref name=chacon /> === Odnošenje k domorodnym ljudjam === Dokolě Kolumb byl proč od Navidada, izslědovavši Jamajku i Kubu, jego vovjovniky sut prěstali rabotati na izbudovanju novogo forta i zemjedělišč. Oni prinudžali arawakov davati jim jedanje. Oni sut kradli věči arawakov i nasilovali jih žen. Kogda Kolumb jest o tom se dovědal, on jest prikazal jih [[Smrtna kaznj|povesiti]]. Něktore vodže arawakov sut viděli Kolumba kako sojuznika svojih neprijateljev i napadli njego. Ale, špancy iměli mnogo orudžja, ktorogo arawaky sut nikogdy ne viděli, kako [[stalj]]ne [[meč]]e, [[Pika|piky]], [[samostrěl]]y, [[Pes|psov]] i [[konj]]ev. Tuto jest pomogalo špancam velmi legko izygryvati boje protiv arawakov.<ref>{{Cite book| last1 = Lindaman| first1 = Dana| last2 = Ward| first2 = Kyle| title = History Lessons: How Textbooks from Around the World Portray U.S. History| year = 2006| publisher = The New Press| isbn = 1-59558-082-4| pages = 10–12 }}</ref> Kolumb iměl mnogo buntov protiv sebe i vojoval protiv mnogyh domorodvyh vodžev, ktore sut viděli jego kako zagrabnika i sojuznika Grakangari, vodža, s ktorym toj jest družil. Oni sut byli bystro razbity s pomočju evropejskyh iznahodok. Na tyh časteh ostrova, ktore jest zavojoval Kolumb, ne bylo tak mnogo zlata, i Kolumb prikazal prěstati jego iskati. ==Tretje putovanje== Kolumb jest odpravil se v dalše putovanje v lětu 1498. Kralju Žuanu II v Portugaliji skazali sut, že k jugozapadu od ostrovov [[Kap Verd]] jest [[kontinent]]. Na svojom tretjem putovanju Kolumb jest htěl najdti toj kontinent.<ref>Morison, Samuel Eliot (1963). ''Journals & Other Documents on the Life & Voyages of Christopher Columbus.'' New York: The Heritage Press. p. 262. ASIN B002KR8WPQ.</ref> Pri jego naputstvovanju kraljevna Isabella pripomnila Kolumbu, že on musi odnositi se ko vsem domorodnym ljudjam dobro i musi iz njih izdělati [[Hristijanstvo|hristijan]]. V tutom putovanju Kolumb jest poslal tri koraba rovno do West Indije ([[Karibske ostrovy|Karibov]]). Sam on vedl tri drugyh koraba, prvo ko dvom portugalskym ostrovam, potom ko [[Kanarske ostrovy|Kanarskym ostrovam]], potom do [[Kap Verd]]u. Od Kap Verda, oni sut plyli k sěverozapadnomu pribrěžju [[Južna Amerika|Južnoj Ameriky]] i pristali na [[Trinidad]]u. On takože jest izslědoval čest Juňoj Ameriky i ostrova, ktore tutčas nazyvajut se [[Tobago]] i [[Grenada]]. 19 avgusta 1498 Kolumb jest vratil se na Hispaniolu. On jest uznal, že mnoge španske oseljenci tam ne byli ščestni. Oni sut myslili, že v Novom světu bude vyše zlata. Mnoge iy njih sut buntovali, kogda on byl pryč. Kolumb jest povesil peteryh liderov buntov. On takože staral se obradovati staljnyh oseljencev i jest daval jim zemju na Hispaniolě. Jednakože, seljenci prodolžali posilati žaloby do Španije. V lětu 1499, kraljevna Isabella jest poslala člověka imenom Francisko de Bobadilja na Hispaniolu. Ona jest jemu dala pravomoč dělati vsečto on bude mněvati dělati. Ako došel v lětu 1500, prvo, čto jest on izdělal, bylo arestovati Kolumba i poslati jego nazad do Španije okovanogo. === Odnošenje k domorodnym ljudjam === Starajuči se izdělati španskyh oseljencev ščestnymi, Kolumb jest ustanovil sistem {{-|''[[Encomienda]]''}} na Hispaniolě. V tutom sistemu Kolumd daval jest děl zemje na Hispaniolě každomu španskomu oseljencu. Poněkogda on jest mogl dati i cělo domorodno selo.Vsi obyvatelji, ktore sut žili v tutom arealu, museli rabotati na španskogo oseljenca. Aborigeny sut žili na tutoj zemje stolětja, Kolumb jest razdaval jih zemju i prinudžal jih naslědno rabotati na toj zemje. == Pozdejši život == 23 avgusta 1500 Kolumb byl arestovany na Hispaniolě, ktora tutčas nazyvaje se [[Santo Domingo]] , za svirěpost k domorodnym obyvateljam, i osoblivo k špancam. On byl poslánym v Španju v okovah v oktobru 1500 goda i byl osvobodženym 25 dekembra 1500, i odvedenym v sud. Kolumb iměl vlivne prijatelji, i kralj jest vozvratil jemu svobodu. Jego ne dělali sut snova gubernatorom, ale dozvolili voditi nastupno putovanje. Kolumb jest umrl na [[nedostatočnost srdca]] i [[artrit]] v [[Vajadoid]]u v Španiji, v možnom věku 54 lět. == Osobny život == Srodniky Kolumba govorili sut, že on se rodil v [[Genoa|Genoe]] v [[Italija|Italiji]]. Tutdenj, historiky ne mogu isto skazati, kde on se rodil. Večšinstvo ekspertov mněvajut, že to, že on se rodil v Genoje, imaje največe podtvrdženij. Druge historiky myslet, že toj se rodil inokde, kako v Španiji ili [[Portugalija|Portugaliji]]. Něktore si myslet, že on byl originalno jevrej, [[Obračenje v religiju|obračeny]] v [[hristijanstvo]].<ref name="brit" /> V lětu 1477 Kolumb jest se [[Svatba|oženil]] s [[Felipa Moniz Perestrelo|Felipoju Moniz Perestrelo]]. Ona byla iz polublagorodnoj rodiny, iměvšej odnošenje k [[Morjeplavanje|morjeplavanju]]. Ona jest umrla někogda v 1479 ili 1480 lětu pri ridženju jih syna Diega.<ref>{{Cite book| last = Hume| first = Robert| title = Christopher Columbus and the European Discovery of America| year = 1992| publisher = Gracewing Publishing| isbn = 978-0-85244-211-1| pages = 19–20 }}</ref> V lětu 1485, byvši v [[Kordova|Kordove]] vo Španiji, Kolumb spoznal se s Beatriz Enrikes de Trasierra. Oni žili sut zajedno něktory čas. Oni sut iměli syna, ktorogo nazvali Fernando.<ref>{{Cite book| last = Beding| first = Silvio A.| title = The Christopher Columbus Encyclopedia| year = 2016| publisher = Springer| isbn = 978-1-349-12573-9| page = 24 }}</ref> == Cělje Kolumba == Kolumb iměl několiko različnyh cělov pri svojih putovanjah v Novy svět. Prvo, on jest věril, že može najdti kratšu i legšu dragu do Azije, kde byli sut věči, ktore v Evrope ne byli. On jest veril, že najde kratši put do [[Kitaj]]e. Druge ljudi nazyvali tutu věru [[wikt:absurd|absurdom]]. Kolumb jest htěl dokazati, že tute ljudi ne imali sut pravdu.<ref name="daniels">{{Cite book|url=https://archive.org/details/nationalgeograph0000dani_h7f1|title=National Geographic Almanac of World History|author=Daniels, Patricia|last2=Hyslop, Stephen Garrison|last3=Brinkley, Douglas|date=2011|publisher=National Geographic Books|isbn=978-1-4262-0890-4|pages=[https://archive.org/details/nationalgeograph0000dani_h7f1/page/184 184]-185|chapter=Navigating the Globe: 1492-1522.}}</ref> Vtoro, Kolumb jest htěl naidti [[zlato]]. Zlato bylo glavnym vidom peněz, koristanyh v kolumbovyh časah. V jego pismu španskomu kralju Ferdinandu i kraljevě Isabellě, Kolumb jest pisal: "Zlato jest najprvoredno; zlato jest skarb, i kdo imaje jego, dělaje čto želaje v tutom světu".<ref>{{Cite book| last = Franzosi| first = Roberto| title = From Words to Numbers: Narrative, Data, and Social Science| url = https://archive.org/details/fromwordstonumbe0000fran| year = 2004| publisher = Cambridge University Press| isbn = 978-0-521-54145-9| page = [https://archive.org/details/fromwordstonumbe0000fran/page/n163 140] }}</ref> Mnogo [[Historija|historikov]] mněvajut, že Kolumb htěl se stati važnoju osoboju, i da by se stal močnym, jemu trěba naidti zlato. ==Poslě Kolumba== Kogda špancy sut uznali o [[Novy svět|Novom světu]], mnogo [[konkistador]]ov, ili zavojevateljev sut prišli tudy. Tuto jest privedlo k [[Španska kolonizacija Ameriky|španskoj kolonizaciji Ameriky]]. Španske konkistadory prvo oseljili na ostrovah [[Hispaniola]] (tutčas tam sut [[Dominikanska republika]] i [[Haiti]]), [[Kuba]], i [[Puerto Riko]]. Oni sut nagrabili tolik zlata, koliko smogli. Špancy sut takože privezli [[svečenik]]ov i prinudili domorodnyh amerikancov [[Obračenje v religiju|obračati]] se v [[hristijanstvo]]. == Naslědstvo == V [[Sjedinjene štaty Ameriky|Sjedinjenyh Štatah]] [[Denj Kolumba]] jest svetkom, ktory proslavjaje prihod Kolumba v Novy svět 12 oktobra 1492.<ref>{{Cite web|title=Columbus Day|url=https://www.history.com/topics/exploration/columbus-day-video|publisher=|via=www.history.com}}</ref> Světova kolumbijska vystavka byla provědena v lětu 1893 v Čikagu, Illinoj za proslavjenje 400-toj ročnicy vizita Kolumba v Ameriku.<ref name="WDL">{{Cite web |url = http://www.wdl.org/en/item/11369/ |title = Bird's-Eye View of the World's Columbian Exposition, Chicago, 1893 |website = World Digital Library |date = 1893 |accessdate = 2013-07-17 }}</ref> Medžu 1492 i 1930 lětami vyše než 60 milionov evropejcev sut migrovali v Ameriku. Vrh tutoj migracije byl v 19-om i v načalu 20-go stolětja. Masovo prěseljenje evropejcev v Novy svět bylo jednim iz največših presunov naseljenja v historiji. ==Linky i referencije== {{Iztočniky}} ==Vnešnje linky== * ''Tuty članok sodrživaje prěklad iz članka {{-|«[[:simple:Christopher_Columbus|Christopher Columbus]]»}} v Vikipediji na prostom anglijskom ([https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christopher_Columbus&action=history spis avtorov]; dozvoljeńje [[ccorg:licenses/by-sa/4.0/|{{-|CC BY-SA 4.0}}]]).' * ''Tuty članok sodrživaje prěklad iz članka {{-|«[[:en:Christopher_Columbus|Christopher Columbus]]»}} v Vikipediji na anglijskom ([https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christopher_Columbus&action=history spis avtorov]; dozvoljeńje [[ccorg:licenses/by-sa/4.0/|{{-|CC BY-SA 4.0}}]]).' {{Sortovati|Kolumb, Hristofor}} [[Kategorija:Izslědovatelji]] [[Kategorija:Italijani]] {{INTERWIKI|Q7322}} gek1bfb0tvaxoe17mlhqha61bwc0koy 4 1052 28687 28630 2026-07-14T15:03:13Z Polda18 18 /* Vikidane */ Odgovor 28687 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== LiMr ==== @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == {{tracked|T429939|open}} Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Patrulovanje == Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. <s>Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo. Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. </s>[[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako "možny vandalizm", "izpraždnjenje stranice" i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::::my imajemo šablon <nowiki>{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} </nowiki>, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) == Prěključ "Lat./Кир." == Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako "medžuslovjansky", Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis "Lat./Кир." (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili "Latinica/Кирилица" kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis "Lat./Кир." v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::ja imaju nadpis v menju "medžuslovjansky", i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest "medžuslovjansky". No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element <code>p-variants-label</code> v Vector (2022). <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39602-39|&#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija "Lat./Кир." je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by "prilěpiti" kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) dwqae177zhm50kumnbrwbh9cwjzs2jy 28688 28687 2026-07-14T15:39:17Z VadymTS1 172 /* Vikidane */ 28688 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== LiMr ==== @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == {{tracked|T429939|fixed}} Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Patrulovanje == Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. <s>Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo. Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. </s>[[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako "možny vandalizm", "izpraždnjenje stranice" i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::::my imajemo šablon <nowiki>{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} </nowiki>, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) == Prěključ "Lat./Кир." == Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako "medžuslovjansky", Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis "Lat./Кир." (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili "Latinica/Кирилица" kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis "Lat./Кир." v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::ja imaju nadpis v menju "medžuslovjansky", i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest "medžuslovjansky". No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element <code>p-variants-label</code> v Vector (2022). <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39602-39|&#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija "Lat./Кир." je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by "prilěpiti" kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) q6dcymzv4xq1tsyvww7wegwjkpyl118 28689 28688 2026-07-14T15:45:47Z Ilja isv 10 /* Vikidane */ Odgovor 28689 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== LiMr ==== @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == {{tracked|T429939|fixed}} Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Patrulovanje == Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. <s>Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo. Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. </s>[[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako "možny vandalizm", "izpraždnjenje stranice" i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::::my imajemo šablon <nowiki>{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} </nowiki>, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) == Prěključ "Lat./Кир." == Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako "medžuslovjansky", Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis "Lat./Кир." (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili "Latinica/Кирилица" kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis "Lat./Кир." v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::ja imaju nadpis v menju "medžuslovjansky", i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest "medžuslovjansky". No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element <code>p-variants-label</code> v Vector (2022). <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39602-39|&#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija "Lat./Кир." je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by "prilěpiti" kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) q8coj9n9v9pgrbnjtlx6u5a2fovhc5k 28690 28689 2026-07-14T15:51:16Z Ilja isv 10 /* Vikidane */ Odgovor 28690 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== LiMr ==== @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == {{tracked|T429939|fixed}} Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::a čto se stalo s redaktorom izvonogo koda? piše Page MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css has no content. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Patrulovanje == Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. <s>Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo. Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. </s>[[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako "možny vandalizm", "izpraždnjenje stranice" i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::::my imajemo šablon <nowiki>{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} </nowiki>, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) == Prěključ "Lat./Кир." == Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako "medžuslovjansky", Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis "Lat./Кир." (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili "Latinica/Кирилица" kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis "Lat./Кир." v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::ja imaju nadpis v menju "medžuslovjansky", i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest "medžuslovjansky". No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element <code>p-variants-label</code> v Vector (2022). <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39602-39|&#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija "Lat./Кир." je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by "prilěpiti" kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) i6027qgwtsh3gxwg6fc521rsyo9nplj 28691 28690 2026-07-14T15:53:42Z Polda18 18 /* Vikidane */ Odgovor 28691 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== LiMr ==== @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == {{tracked|T429939|fixed}} Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja jesm už dodal do Vikidanych link tu na Krčmu i link na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:53, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::a čto se stalo s redaktorom izvonogo koda? piše Page MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css has no content. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Patrulovanje == Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. <s>Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo. Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. </s>[[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako "možny vandalizm", "izpraždnjenje stranice" i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::::my imajemo šablon <nowiki>{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} </nowiki>, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) == Prěključ "Lat./Кир." == Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako "medžuslovjansky", Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis "Lat./Кир." (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili "Latinica/Кирилица" kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis "Lat./Кир." v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::ja imaju nadpis v menju "medžuslovjansky", i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest "medžuslovjansky". No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element <code>p-variants-label</code> v Vector (2022). <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39602-39|&#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija "Lat./Кир." je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by "prilěpiti" kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) otj1u0z7mfowwg7k2d1v4b54p8u19zi 28692 28691 2026-07-14T15:55:20Z Polda18 18 /* Vikidane */ Odgovor 28692 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== LiMr ==== @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == {{tracked|T429939|fixed}} Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja jesm už dodal do Vikidanych link tu na Krčmu i link na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:53, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::a čto se stalo s redaktorom izvonogo koda? piše Page MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css has no content. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja ne věm. Pravdopodobno ono se ne prěneslo iz Inkubatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Patrulovanje == Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. <s>Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo. Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. </s>[[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako "možny vandalizm", "izpraždnjenje stranice" i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::::my imajemo šablon <nowiki>{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} </nowiki>, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) == Prěključ "Lat./Кир." == Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako "medžuslovjansky", Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis "Lat./Кир." (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili "Latinica/Кирилица" kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis "Lat./Кир." v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::ja imaju nadpis v menju "medžuslovjansky", i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest "medžuslovjansky". No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element <code>p-variants-label</code> v Vector (2022). <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39602-39|&#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija "Lat./Кир." je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by "prilěpiti" kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) cbqv76bf0tsblqed77805e98nmdcs8t 28693 28692 2026-07-14T16:00:05Z VadymTS1 172 /* Vikidane */ Odgovor 28693 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== LiMr ==== @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == {{tracked|T429939|fixed}} Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja jesm už dodal do Vikidanych link tu na Krčmu i link na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:53, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::a čto se stalo s redaktorom izvonogo koda? piše Page MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css has no content. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja ne věm. Pravdopodobno ono se ne prěneslo iz Inkubatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Trěba udaliti tuty redok <nowiki><templatestyles src="MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css" /></nowiki> iz stranice [[MediaWiki:Edittools]], togda vsjo by imalo zarabotati. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 18:00, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Patrulovanje == Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. <s>Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo. Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. </s>[[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako "možny vandalizm", "izpraždnjenje stranice" i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::::my imajemo šablon <nowiki>{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} </nowiki>, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) == Prěključ "Lat./Кир." == Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako "medžuslovjansky", Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis "Lat./Кир." (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili "Latinica/Кирилица" kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis "Lat./Кир." v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::ja imaju nadpis v menju "medžuslovjansky", i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest "medžuslovjansky". No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element <code>p-variants-label</code> v Vector (2022). <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39602-39|&#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija "Lat./Кир." je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by "prilěpiti" kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) 5akhlyxytlksqc7tapz5y8i7sokw49p 28699 28693 2026-07-14T18:51:05Z ~2026-39765-34 464 /* Vikidane */ Odgovor 28699 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== LiMr ==== @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == {{tracked|T429939|fixed}} Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja jesm už dodal do Vikidanych link tu na Krčmu i link na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:53, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::a čto se stalo s redaktorom izvonogo koda? piše Page MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css has no content. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja ne věm. Pravdopodobno ono se ne prěneslo iz Inkubatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Trěba udaliti tuty redok <nowiki><templatestyles src="MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css" /></nowiki> iz stranice [[MediaWiki:Edittools]], togda vsjo by imalo zarabotati. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 18:00, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::A začto v spisku jezykov jest napisane kako samo "Medžuslovjansky"? Trěba že by bylo napisano s kiriliceju kako "Medžuslovjansky / Меджусловjанскы". [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39765-34|&#126;2026-39765-34]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39765-34|besěda]]) 20:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Patrulovanje == Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. <s>Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo. Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. </s>[[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako "možny vandalizm", "izpraždnjenje stranice" i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::::my imajemo šablon <nowiki>{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} </nowiki>, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) == Prěključ "Lat./Кир." == Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako "medžuslovjansky", Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis "Lat./Кир." (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili "Latinica/Кирилица" kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis "Lat./Кир." v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::ja imaju nadpis v menju "medžuslovjansky", i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest "medžuslovjansky". No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element <code>p-variants-label</code> v Vector (2022). <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39602-39|&#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija "Lat./Кир." je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by "prilěpiti" kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) 8fsdx0ntbjessx7ldw7auo6tlnwz02m 28700 28699 2026-07-14T20:33:29Z IJzeren Jan 9 /* Vikidane */ Odgovor 28700 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== LiMr ==== @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == {{tracked|T429939|fixed}} Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja jesm už dodal do Vikidanych link tu na Krčmu i link na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:53, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::a čto se stalo s redaktorom izvonogo koda? piše Page MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css has no content. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja ne věm. Pravdopodobno ono se ne prěneslo iz Inkubatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Trěba udaliti tuty redok <nowiki><templatestyles src="MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css" /></nowiki> iz stranice [[MediaWiki:Edittools]], togda vsjo by imalo zarabotati. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 18:00, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::V Inkubatoru ne bylo Edittools. Ja htěl jesm prěnesti Edittools s Medžuviki, ale mně najprvo trěba byti "administrator interfejsa", da byh mogl dodati ili izpraviti CSS. Imaju naděju, že zautra ili poslězautra budu mogti to sdělati. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:33, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::A začto v spisku jezykov jest napisane kako samo "Medžuslovjansky"? Trěba že by bylo napisano s kiriliceju kako "Medžuslovjansky / Меджусловjанскы". [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39765-34|&#126;2026-39765-34]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39765-34|besěda]]) 20:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Patrulovanje == Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. <s>Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo. Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. </s>[[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako "možny vandalizm", "izpraždnjenje stranice" i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::::my imajemo šablon <nowiki>{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} </nowiki>, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) == Prěključ "Lat./Кир." == Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako "medžuslovjansky", Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis "Lat./Кир." (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili "Latinica/Кирилица" kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis "Lat./Кир." v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::ja imaju nadpis v menju "medžuslovjansky", i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest "medžuslovjansky". No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element <code>p-variants-label</code> v Vector (2022). <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39602-39|&#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija "Lat./Кир." je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by "prilěpiti" kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ng9o2bizn9rzi6e6qx9bnnnce95qwe7 0 1083 28741 8074 2026-07-15T08:58:13Z MwGamera 13 /* Rane roky */ -ě→-u 28741 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=2024-10}} '''Jean-Michel Jarre''' jest [[Francija|francuzsky]] kompozitor, jedin iz pionerov [[Elektronična muzika|elektroničnoj muziky]], ktory igraje glavno na [[sintezator]]ah. == Životopis == === Rane roky === Jean-Michel Jarre urodil se 24 avgusta 1948 goda v [[Lyon|{{-|Lyonu|Лиону}}]], [[Francija]]. On počel učiti se igrati na [[Fortepiano|fortepianu]] uže v 5 rokov. == Diskografija == * ''[[La Cage]] / Erosmachine'' (1970) * ''[[Deserted Palace]]'' (1972) * ''[[Oxygène]]'' (1976) * ''[[Équinoxe]]'' (1978) * ''[[Magnetic Fields]]'' / Les Chants Magnétiques (1981) * ''[[Music for Supermarkets]] / Musique Pour Supermarché'' (1983) * ''[[Zoolook]]'' (1984) * ''[[Rendez-Vous]]'' (1986) * ''[[Revolutions]]'' (1988) * ''[[Waiting for Cousteau]]'' / En Attendant Cousteau (1990) * ''[[Chronologie]]'' (1993) * ''[[Oxygene 7–13]]'' (1997) * ''[[Métamorphoses]]'' (2000) * ''[[Interior Music]]'' (2001) * ''[[Sessions 2000]]'' (2002) * ''[[Geometry of Love]]'' (2003) * ''{{Нп3|Téo & Téa|Téo & Téa|en|Téo & Téa}}'' (2007) * ''[[Electronica 1: The Time Machine]]'' (2015) * ''[[Electronica 2: The Heart of Noise]]'' (2016) * ''[[Oxygène 3]]'' (2016) * ''[[Radiophonie vol. 9]]'' (2017) * ''[[Equinoxe Infinity]]'' (2018)<ref>{{Cite news|title=Equinoxe Infinity - Jean-Michel Jarre {{!}} Official Site|url=https://jeanmicheljarre.com/equinoxe-infinity|work=Jean-Michel Jarre {{!}} Official Site|access-date=2018-11-10|language=en|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180916202543/https://jeanmicheljarre.com/equinoxe-infinity|archive-date=2018-09-16}}</ref> * ''[[Amazônia]]'' (2021) * ''[[Oxymore]]'' (2022) == Iztočnik == {{Iztočniky}} {{Sortovati|Jarre, Jean-Michel}} [[Kategorija:Jean-Michel Jarre| ]] [[Kategorija:Francuzski kompozitori]] [[Kategorija:Muzikanti]] {{INTERWIKI|Q104326}} 6wt9v86kxfefnmft0sccvv41tsppj6q 0 1121 28685 8372 2026-07-14T14:39:42Z Ilja isv 10 28685 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka osoba | name = Hokusaj | native_name = <center>北斎 | image = [[Fajl:Hokusai as an old man.jpg|300px|Samo-portret v staršem věku]] | caption = | birth_name = {{-|Tokitarō}}<br />{{Lang|ja|時太郎}} | birth_date = {{Birth date|df=yes|1760|10|31}} (prědpoklad) | birth_place = [[Edo (Tokjo)|Edo]], [[Japonija]] | death_date = {{Death date and age|df=yes|1849|5|10|1760|10|31}} | death_place = Edo, Japonija | style = [[živopis]], [[manga]] i [[Japonska ksilografila|ksilografija]] [[ukijo-e]] | works = ''[[Velika volna pri Kanagawě]]'' <br> ''[[Tihy vetr jasnym jutrom]]''<br>''[[Son ženy rybara]]'' | signature = [[Fajl:Signature_of_Katsushika_Hokusai.png|center|size = 20px|frameless]] }} [[Fajl:Great Wave off Kanagawa2.jpg|thumb|left|''[[Velika volna pri Kanagawě]]'']] '''Kacušika Hokusaj''' ({{Jezyky|ja|葛飾北斎}} {{-|Katsushika Hokusai}}, 31. oktobra 1760 – 10 maja 1849), najčesteje nazyvany prosto ''Hokusaj'', byl [[Japonija|japonskym]] hudožnikom, masterom [[Ksilografija|ksilografije]] i [[živopis]]u stilja [[ukijo-e]] ''({{-|ukiyo-e}})''.<ref>[[Louis-Frédéric|Nussbaum, Louis Frédéric]]. (2005). [https://books.google.com/books?id=p2QnPijAEmEC&pg=PA345&dq= "Hokusai"] in ''Japan Encyclopedia,'' p. 345.</ref> Rodil se v Edo (tutčasno [[Tokio|Tokjo]]). Hokusaj jest najvyše znajemy kako avtor serije ksilografij ''[[Trideset šest pogledov na goru Fudži (Hokusaj)|Trideset šest pogledov na goru Fudži]]'' (ok. 1831). Za svoj umětnicky život Hokusaj jest izměnjal svoj psevdonim trideset raz. Iz jego imen psevdonim ''Hokusaj'' (koristany v lětah 1805-1810) jest tutdenj prědpočitanym imenovanjem. Podpisyval se takymi psevdonimami, kako ''Šunro ({{-|Shunrō}}), Sori ({{-|Sōri}}), Tajto ({{-|Taito}}), Mandži ({{-|Manji}})''. Učil se v pracovně [[Kacukawa Šunšo|Šunšo]] ''({{-|Shunshō}})''. Byl izvěstny kako neobyčajno plodny umětnik, veliky rysovatel, pejzažist, ilustrator i karikaturist. V svojih obrazah, naseljenyh velikim množstvom personažev, odobražal onogdašnju Japoniju. Hudožnik jest tvoril izobraženja suvremennyh sobe poetov, maloval takože cvěty, žolv, fazanov, kokotov, sto poem, mosty i kaskady. Podgovoreny svojimi učenikamy, jest vypustil 15 tomov skic i rysunkov ''Manga'' (1814). Jego děla sut iměli gluboky vplyv na evropejskyh [[Impresionizm|impresionistov]], takyh kako [[Klod Mone]] {{Lang|fr|(Claude Monet)}} i inyh. Jego najvyše znanym dělom jest cikl drěvogravirovanij ukijo-e ''Trideset šest pogledov na goru Fudži'', ktory on izdal jest v lětah 1826–1833 pod imenom Tajto. On jest sostavjeny napravdu iz 46 grafik (10 bylo dodanyh pozdneje). Pomimo obrazov i rysunkov on jest iztvoril ilustracije do ponad 500 knig, čest od ktoryh on jest napisal sam. == Životopis == * 1760 – Umětnik jest rodil se v Hondžo, okrugu Edo (dnes Tokjo). * 1775 – Načinaje praktiku v drěvogravirovalnoj pracovně. * 1778 – Prijety do pracovny [[Kacukawa Šunšo|Šunšo Kacukawy]], portretista aktorov teatra [[kabuki]]. * 1779 – Iztvoril prve gravury s podpisem Šunro (''{{-|Shunrō}}''). V 80. lětah {{-|XVIII}} stolětja zajmal se portretovanjem aktorov i ilustrovanjem knig. * 1791 – Načal surabotu s izdavatelstvom Cutaja Džuzaburo (<span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">[[Jūzaburō Tsutaya|Tsutaya Jūzaburō]])</span>. V lětah 90. studoval stilje živopisi najvěčših umětničskyh škol Japonije. * 1795 – Po prijetju upravjenja pracovnoju Tawaraja (<span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">''Tawaraya'')</span>, umětnik jest odpustil psevdonim Šunro (''{{-|Shunrō}}'') i prijel ime Sori (''{{-|Sōri}}''). Načal se period izdavanja produckcije [[suri-mono]] i [[e-gojomi]] za poetov iz jemu prijateljnyh literaturnyh krugov. * 1796 – Prvy raz pojavjaje se ime Hokusaj. * 1799 – Hokusaj jest zakončil odnošenja so studijeju Tawaraja, ostavil psevdonim Sori i načal podpisyvati se kako ''{{-|Hokusai}}''. * 1804 – Izpolnil obraz Darumy na papiru o plošče dvěstě metrov kvadratnyh vnutri ogrady hrama Gokuku na okrajině Eda. V tutom roku takože šogun jest mu naručil rysovanje obraza. * 1805 – Počel spolurabotu s pisateljem [[Bakin Kjokutej|Bakinom]], dělajuči ilustracijie do jego knižek. * 1810 – Prijal psevdonim Tajto (''{{-|Taito}}''), ne odkazavši se of imeni Hokusaj. V času peti lět podpisyval se jednym i drugym imenem. * 1812 – Hokusaj putuje do Nagoje na pozvanje mecenata Bokusena. * 1814 – Opublikoval prvy tom skicov ''Manga''. * 1817 – Hokusaj jest narysoval gigantskogo Darumu, tokratno v Nagoji, za reklamu sobytja s pomoćju plakata. * 1820 – Umětnik jest vzal ime Iicu (''{{-|Iitsu}}'') i v naslědnyh 10 lětah zajemal se privatnymi publikacijami. * 1830 – Hokusaj načal publikaciju ''Trideseti šesti vidov gory Fudži''. * 1832 – Opublikoval cikly: ''Putovanje po vodospadah Japonije'', ''Velike cvěty'' i ''Osm pogledov na ostrova Rjukju''. * 1833 – Umětnik jest izdal cikly ''Tyseč obrazov morja'' i ''Zrcalo kitajskoj i japonskoj poezije''. * 1834 – Hokusaj jest opublikoval cikly ''Basnjeslovene pogledy obyčnyh mostov v raznyh provincijah'', ''Male cvěty'' i takože prvy tom ''Sta pogledov na goru Fudži''. Prěsělil se na něktory čas do Miury, da by utekti od kreditorov svojego vnuka. Prijel psevdonim Mandži (''{{-|Manji}}''), ktory koristil uže do konca života. * 1835 – Opublikoval vtory tom ''Sta pogledov na goru Fudži'' i cikl ''Sto veršev sta poetov v razskazah opekunky''. * 1836–1838 – Hokusaj vračaje se v Edo. Žive v bednosti i prodavaje svoji rysunky na ulici. * 1839 – V rezultatu požara v gradu hudožnik jest izgubil svoj dom i s njim mnogo svojih děl. * 1840–1845 – Hokusaj jest šel na několiko putov do Obuse (grad v [[Prefektura Nagano|prefekturě Nagano]]), gde jest gostil v domu svojego učenika, bogatogo kupca, kaligrafa i hudožnika Kōzana Takai (1806–1883). Iztvoril jest tam mnogo rabot, ktore byli pozdneje poměščeny v muzej, posvečeny umětniku. * 1842–1843 – Každy denj jest dělal novy rysunok lva, da ba oddaliti myslji o smrti. * 1848 – Hokusaj opublikoval svoje poslědno dělo, ''Ilustrovana kniga o koristanju kolora'', adresovanu mladym i početkujučim hudožnikam. * 1849 – Umělec jest umrl 18 dnja čtvrtogo měseca (kalendara měsečnogo). Byl jest pogrebeny v hramu v Edo. == Opublikovane cikly drěvogravur ukijo-e == * ''Sto povědok o duhah'', 1831 * ''Trideset šest pogledov na goru Fudži'', 1830-32 * ''Velike obrazy prirody'', 1832-33 * ''Osm pogledov na ostrova Rjukju'', 1833 * ''Zrcalo kitajskoj i japonskoj poezije'', 1833-34 * ''Vojny samurajev'', 1833-34 * ''Tyseč obrazov morja'', 1833-34 * ''Velike cvěty'', 1833-34 * ''Male cvěty'', 1834 * ''Basnjeslovene pogledy obyčnyh mostov v raznyh provincijah'', ok. 1834 * ''Basnjeslovene pogledy znamenityh japonskih mostov'', ok. 1834 * ''Basnjeslovene pogledy znamenityh krajevidov'', ok. 1834 * ''Putovanje po vodospadah Japonije'', 1834-35 * ''Sto pogledov na goru Fudži'', 1834-35 == Pripisyvajemo Hokusaju rěčenje o sebe == **Jednim iz jego psevdonimov byl Gakjo Rodžin (''{{-|Gakyo Rojin}}).'' On mogl zajisto skazati něčto podobno v svojem staršom věku, ako li načal koristati ime Gakjo Rodžin v 1843.<blockquote>Vsečto ja jesm izrabil do věka sedmdeseti lět ne stoji za pozornost. V sedmdeset tri ja jesm se nemnogo poučil o realnoj strukturě prirody, životnyh, rastlin, drěv, ptic, ryb i nasekomyh. V rezultatu, kogda jest mi osmdeset, ja ješče musim progresovati dalje. Ko devetideseti lětam ja smogu dostigati k tajně věčij; ko stam lětam ja isto budu dosegnuti čudesnoj stadije; i kogda jest mi sto i deset lět, vsečto, čto budu tvoriti, budi to točka či linija, bude živo. Ja molim tyh, ktore živut tako dolgo, kako i ja, poglědati, da izpolnjaju svoje slovo. Napisano mnoju vo věku sedmdeseti peti lět, někogda ''Hokusajem'', tutdenj ''Gakjo Rodžinom'' (''{{-|Gakyo Rojin}}'', "stary človek, bezumny rysovanjem").</blockquote> == Referencije == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> {{Prěvod|en|Hokusai}} {{Prěvod|simple|Katsushika Hokusai}} {{Prěvod|pl|Hokusai Katsushika}} [[Kategorija:Umětniky i arhitekty]] [[Kategorija:Japonija]] [[Kategorija:Japonci]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5586}} sdn7u0wa2ux6fx4awgm5apb0s5km4u9 0 1362 28705 28098 2026-07-15T03:18:41Z MwGamera 13 nemaje ‘ě’ v $linkTrail 28705 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Guido Reni - Moses with the Tables of the Law - WGA19289.jpg|thumb|''«Mojsej s Tabelami Zavěta»'' (1624), obraz Guido Reni]] '''Mojsej''' je byl hebrejskym [[prorok]]om, učiteljem i liderom podolg [[Abrahamičske religije|abrahamičskoj]] tradicije. On slyne samym važnym prorokom v [[judaizm|judaizmě]]<ref>5. kniga Mojseja 34:10</ref> i [[samaritanizm|samaritanizmě]], a takož jednym iz samyh važnyh prorokov v [[Hristijanstvo|hristijanstvě]], [[islam|islamě]], věrě Bahaji i drugyh [[Абрахамичске религије|abrahamičskyh religijah]]. Podolg [[Biblija|Biblije]] i [[Koran]]u, Mojsej je byl vodžem izraeljcev i zakonodateljem, ktoromu pripisyvaje se proročsko stvorjenje [[Tora|Tory]] (prvyh peti knig Biblije).<ref name="Dever 2001">{{Cite book |last=Dever |first=William G. |author-link=William G. Dever |year=2001 |chapter=Getting at the "History behind the History" |chapter-url=https://books.google.com/books?id=6-VxwC5rQtwC&pg=PA97 |title=[[What Did the Biblical Writers Know and When Did They Know It?|What Did the Biblical Writers Know and When Did They Know It?: What Archeology Can Tell Us About the Reality of Ancient Israel]] |location=[[Grand Rapids, Michigan]] and [[Cambridge|Cambridge, U.K.]] |publisher=[[Wm. B. Eerdmans]] |pages=97–102 |isbn=978-0-8028-2126-3 |oclc=46394298}}</ref> Podolg 2. knigě Mojseja, Mojsej urodil se v tamtoj čas, kogda jego narod, izraeljci, porabovano menšinstvo, povyšal svoju čislnost, i v rezultatu egiptsky faraon je ostrěgal se, že oni mogut sjediniti se s vragami Egipta.<ref>2. kniga Mojseja 1:10</ref> Hebrejska mati Mojseja, [[Johebeda]], tajno je skryla jego, kogda faraon prikazal ubivati vsih novonarodženyh hebrejskyh mladčikov, da by smenšiti čislnost izraeljcev. Prěz dočeru faraona děte je bylo adoptovano kak neznajemo děte iz Nila i rastlo v kraljevskoj rodině. Poslě ubijstva egiptskogo rabovlastnika, izbivavšego hebreja, Mojsej uběgl prěz [[Črveno morje]] v Madian, kde on je sustrětl se s angelom Božjim,<ref>{{Cite book |author=Douglas K. Stuart |year=2006 |title=Exodus: An Exegetical and Theological Exposition of Holy Scripture |publisher=B&H Publishing Group |pages=110–13 }}</ref> ktory govoril s njim iz gorečego kusta na [[Gora Horeb|gorě Horeb]], ktoru on mněl Goroju Božjeju. [[Bog v judaizmu|Bog]] odpravil Mojseja nazad v Egipt, da by požedati osvobodženje izraeljcev iz rabstva. Mojsej je skazal, že on ne uměje govoriti krasnorěčivo,<ref>2. kniga Mojseja 4:10</ref> zatom Bog dozvolil [[Aaron]]u, jego staršemu bratu,<ref>2. kniga Mojseja 7:7</ref> stati jego prědstaviteljem. Poslě [[Deset egyptskyh kar|Deseti kar]] Mojsej vozglavil [[Izhod]] iz Egipta prěz Črveno morje, poslě čego oni stanuli u [[Gora Sinaj|gory Sinaj]], kde Mojsej polučil [[Deset zapovědij]]. Poslě 40 godov putovanja v pustynje Mojsej umrěl na [[Gora Nebo|gorě Nebo]] v vozrastu 120 godov, v ograničenjah vidimosti [[Zemja Oběčivana|Zemji Oběčivanoj]].<ref>{{Cite journal |author-last=Kugler |author-first=Gili |date=December 2018 |title=Moses died and the people moved on: A hidden narrative in Deuteronomy |editor1-last=Shepherd |editor1-first=David |editor2-last=Tiemeyer |editor2-first=Lena-Sofia |journal=[[Journal for the Study of the Old Testament]] |publisher=[[SAGE Publications]] |volume=43 |issue=2 |pages=191–204 |doi=10.1177/0309089217711030 |s2cid=171688935 |issn=1476-6728}}</ref> Večinstvo naučnikov mysli, že biblijsky Mojsej je byl legendarnoju figuroju, hot i domněvajut, že Mojsej abo podobna jemu figura jestvovala v 13. stolětju do n.e.<ref>{{Cite journal |last1=Nigosian |first1=S.A. |title=Moses as They Saw Him |journal=Vetus Testamentum |date=1993 |volume=43 |issue=3 |pages=339–350 |doi=10.1163/156853393X00160|quote= Medžu biblejistami, prividno, prěvladyvajut tri točky zrěnja, ktore sut osnovane na analizě iztočnikov abo historično-kritičnoj metodě. Prvo, red naučnikov, takyh kak Mejer i Holšer, phajut se lišiti Mojseja vsih pripisyvajemyh jemu prerogativ, odrěkajuči kaku-libo historičnu cěnnost jego ličnosti abo toj rolje, ktoru on je sigral v judaizmu. Vtoro, drugi naučniki… polno obratno prvoj točkě zrěnja i phajut se dokazati ključnu rolju Mojseja, ktoru on je sigral v judaizmu. I, tretje, ti, kto pridrživajut se srědnjej pozicije… odděljajut pravdivu historičnu identifikaciju Mojseja od nadbudovanjem iz bolje pozdnyh legendarnyh narostov… Izbytočno govoriti, že tute pytanja sut mnogo obsudžajemymi nerěšeny mi pytanjami srěd naučnikov. Itak, pokušenje odděliti historične elementy Tory od nehistoričnyh omal ne je prinesla nikakyh dobryh rezultatov odnosno figury Mojseja abo toj rolje, ktoru on je sigral v judaizmu. Neudiviteljno, že J. Van Seters prišel k vyvodu, že «iskanje historičnogo Mojseja — naprazdno zajetje. Odnyně on je prinaleži jedino legendě».|issn = 0042-4935 }}</ref><ref name="Dever2001">{{Cite book|first=William G.|last=Dever|title=What Did the Biblical Writers Know and When Did They Know It?: What Archeology Can Tell Us About the Reality of Ancient Israel|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=6-VxwC5rQtwC&pg=PA99|year=2001|publisher=Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing|isbn=978-0-8028-2126-3|page=99|quote=Figura, ktora je podona Mojseju, možlivo, jestvovala někde v južnoj Transjordaniji v srědině-koncu 18. stolětja do n.e., kde, po mněnju mnogyh naučnikov, pojavili se biblijsky prědanja o bogě Jahve.}}</ref><ref name="Enclyc Brit Moses">{{Cite web |last1=Beegle |first1=Dewey |title=Moses |date=5 July 2023 |url=https://www.britannica.com/biography/Moses-Hebrew-prophet |publisher=Encyclopædia Britannica}}</ref><ref name="Ox1">{{Cite web |title=Moses |url=http://www.oxfordbiblicalstudies.com/article/opr/t94/e1284 |website=Oxford Biblical Studies Online}}</ref><ref name="Miller">{{Cite book|first=Robert D.|last=Miller II|title=Illuminating Moses: A History of Reception from Exodus to the Renaissance|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=bXZfAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA21|date=25 November 2013|publisher=BRILL|isbn=978-90-04-25854-9|pages=21, 24|quote=Van Seters je zaključil: «Iskanja historičnogo Mojseja — naprazdno zajetje. Odnyně on je prinaleži jedino legendam»… «Ničto iz tutogo ne označaje, že historičny Mojsej ne jestvuje i že legendy ne sodrživajut v sobě historičnoj informacije. Ale v prvyh peti knigah, ktore je napisal Mojsej, historija je stala memorialnoju. Memorial reviduje historiju, realizuje pamet i prěobračaje historiju v mit».}}</ref> Rabiničsky judaizm je izkalkuloval, že dolgost žitja Mojseja odpovědaje 1391—1271 godami do n.e.;<ref>''[[Seder Olam Rabbah]]''{{Full citation needed|date=November 2012}}</ref> Jeronim je prědpoložil 1592 god do n.e.,<ref>[[Jerome]]'s ''[[Chronicon (Jerome)|Chronicon]]'' (4th century) gives 1592 for the birth of Moses</ref> a Džejms Ašer prědpoložil 1571 god do n.e. kak god jego rodženja.<ref>The 17th-century [[Ussher chronology]] calculates 1571&nbsp;BCE (''Annals of the World'', 1658 paragraph 164)</ref> Egiptsko ime «Mojsej» spominaje se v davnoegiptskoj literaturě.<ref name="i851">{{Cite web | title=Let's Hear It From The Pharaohs: The Egyptian Story of Moses | website=Museum of the Jewish People | date=April 7, 2020 | url=https://www.anumuseum.org.il/blog/egyptian-story/ | access-date=June 8, 2024}}</ref> V traktatě hebrejskogo historika Josefa Flavija cituje se razkaz davnoegiptskogo historika Manetona o davnoegiptskom žrecu-věrolomniku Osarsetu, ktory prěimenoval se v Mojseja i vozglavil uspěšnu prěvrat suprotiv vladajučego faraona, ktory vladal Egiptom ješče mnogo lět, dopoka faraon ne vratil sobě vlast i ne izgnal Osarseta i jego podpornikov.<ref name="g777">{{Cite journal | last=Gruen | first=Erich S. | title=The Use and Abuse of the Exodus Story | journal=Jewish History | publisher=Springer | volume=12 | issue=1 | year=1998 | issn=0334-701X | jstor=20101326 | pages=93–122 | doi=10.1007/BF02335457 | url=http://www.jstor.org/stable/20101326 | access-date=June 8, 2024}}</ref><ref name="z582">{{Cite journal | last=Feldman | first=Louis H. | title=Responses: Did Jews Reshape the Tale of the Exodus? | journal=Jewish History | publisher=Springer | volume=12 | issue=1 | year=1998 | issn=0334-701X | jstor=20101327 | pages=123–127 | doi=10.1007/BF02335458 | url=http://www.jstor.org/stable/20101327 | access-date=June 8, 2024|ref=z582}}</ref><ref name="t730">{{Cite web | title=MOSES IS CURED OF LEPROSY | website=Jewish Bible Quarterly | date=September 12, 2016 | url=https://jbqnew.jewishbible.org/jbq-past-issues/2016/443-july-september-2016/moses-cured-leprosy/ | access-date=June 8, 2024}}</ref> Mojsej često izobražal se v hristijanskoj umětnosti i literaturě, napriměr, na obrazu Mikelandželo «Mojsej» i na tvorbah v redu vladnyh budynkov SŠA. V epohu Srědnjevěčja i Vozrodženja jego često izobražali s malenkymi rožkami, čto jest rezultatom nevěrnogo prěklada v latinskoj Vulgatě Bibliji, ktory, tym ne menje, poněkogda mogl odražati hristijansku ambivalentnost abo iměti iskreny antisemitsky podtekst. ==Etimologija imena== [[Fajl:Moses - Alta-Tadema.jpg|thumb|«Nahodženje Mojseja», obraz sera Lourensa Alma-Tademy, 1904]] Egiptsky korenj «''mose''» («rodženy od») abo «''mose''» razgledyval se kak možliva etimologija. Možlivo to je bylo skračenje teofornogo imena s propustom imena [[Bog]]a. Sufiks «''mose''» pojavjaje se v imenah egiptskyh faraonov, takyh kak Tutmos («Rodženy od Tota») i Ramos («Rodženy od Ra»).<ref name="Hays">{{Cite book |title=Hidden Riches: A Sourcebook for the Comparative Study of the Hebrew Bible and Ancient Near East |last=Hays |first=Christopher B. |publisher=[[Presbyterian Publishing Corporation|Presbyterian Publishing Corp]] |year=2014 |isbn=978-0-664-23701-1 |page=116 |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=r5W7BwAAQBAJ&pg=PA116}}</ref> Jedno iz egiptskyh imen Ramsesa je bylo ''Ra-mesesu mari-Amon'', čto označaje «Rodženy od Ra, milovany Amona» (jego takože imenovali ''Usermaatre Setepenre'', čto označaje «Hranitelj světla i harmonije, silny v světlu, izbrany Ra». Jezykoznavec Abraham Jahuda, bazujuči se na napisanju, privedenom v [[Tanah|Tanahě]], utvrdžaje, že ono sjedinjaje v sobě slova «voda» abo «sěme» i «vodojem», čto privodi k pojavjenju slova «dĕte Nila».<ref>Ulmer, Rivka. 2009. [https://books.google.com/books?id=wKH3qsGzlb0C&pg=PA269 ''Egyptian Cultural Icons in Midrash'']. [[Walter de Gruyter|de Gruyter]]. p. 269.</ref> Biblijsky razkaz o rodženji Mojseja davaje jemu narodnu etimologiju, ktora objasnjaje prědpokladajemo značenje jego imena.<ref name="Hays"/><ref>Naomi E. Pasachoff, Robert J. Littman (2005), [https://books.google.com/books?id=z4eaj09hscAC&pg=PA5 ''A Concise History of the Jewish People''], Rowman & Littlefield, p. 5.</ref> Govoret, že on je polučil jego od dočeri faraona: «On je stal jejnym synom. Ona je nazvala jego Mojsejem [מֹשֶׁה, Mōše] i skazala: „Ja jesm iztegnula jego iz vody“» (2. Kniga Mojseja 2:10). Tuto objasnjenje svezyva jego s semitskym korenjem משׁה, {{-|m-š-h}}, čto označaje «iztegati». Tosafist 11. stolětja Isaak ben Ašer ha-Levi je znamenoval, že dočera faraona nazyva jego aktivnym pričestjem «iztegajuči» (מֹשֶׁה, mōše), a ne pasivnym pričestjem «iztegany» (נִמְשֶׁה, nīmše), čim faktično govori proročstvo o tom, čto Mojsej bude izvesti drugyh (iz Egipta); tuto je bylo prijeto něktorymi naučnikami.<ref>{{Cite web|title=Riva on Torah, Exodus 2:10:1|url=https://www.sefaria.org/Riva_on_Torah,_Exodus.2.10.1|access-date=2021-03-14|website=Sefaria}}</ref> Ibn Ezra je prědpoložil dva varianty proizhodženja imena Mojseja: on mněl, že to je libo prěklad egiptskogo imena, a ne transliteracija, libo dočera faraona je mogla govoriti na [[Hebrejsky jezyk|hebrejskom jezyku]].<ref>{{Cite web |title=Did Pharaoh's Daughter Name Moses? In Hebrew? |url=https://www.thetorah.com/article/did-pharaohs-daughter-name-moses-in-hebrew |access-date=2022-04-18 |website=TheTorah.com}}</ref><ref name=":0">{{Cite web |title=What Was Moshe's Real Name? |url=https://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/627663/jewish/What-Was-Moshes-Real-Name.htm |first=Y. Eliezer |last=Danzinger |work=Chabad.org |date=2008-01-20<!-- Based on YAML metadata --> |access-date=5 May 2022}}</ref> Kennet Kitčen utvrdžaje, že hebrejska etimologija, věrojetno, je pravdiva, zato že zvuki v hebrejskom ''m-š-h'' ne odpovědajut izgovoru egiptskogo ''msy'' v odgovarjajuči period časa.<ref>Kenneth A. Kitchen, ''On the Reliability of the Old Testament'' (2003), pp. 296–97: «Jegovo ime je razširjeno kak egiptsko, i jegova forma velmi često nepopravno objasnjaje se biblijistami. Jego često dělajut ravnym egiptskomu slovu „ms“ (Mose), označajučim „děte“ i mněvajut skračenjem imena, sostavjajemogo iz imena božstva, ime ktorogo je bylo propuščeno. I napravdu, my znajemo mnogo egipčan, ktoryh imenujut Amen-moše, Ptah-moše, Ra-moše, Hor-moše i td. Ale tuto objasnjenje ne jest pravilnym. My takože znajemo mnogo egipčan, ktoryh imenovali prosto „Mojsej“, bez nazyvanja kakogo-libo božstva. Najvyše znajemy hvala dolgoj težbě svojej rodiny s pisateljem iz srědnjego klasu Mojsejem (iz hrama Ptaha vo Memfisu) pri Ramsesě {{-II}}; ale u njego bylo mnogo homonimov. Slědovateljno, objasnjenje odsutstva božstva trěba odvratiti kak nevěrno… Jest něčto pogorše. Ime Mojsej, věrojetněje vsego, voobče ne jest egiptsko! Skvrčeče zvuky ne sběgajut se dolžnym obrazom, i tuto jest nemožlivo objasniti. V podtiskajučem věčinstvu slučajev egiptska „s“ zvuči v hebrejskom kak „s“ (sameh), togdy kak hebrejska i zapadnisemitska „s“ (sameh) na egiptskom zvuči kako „tj“. I naopak, egiptsko „š“ = hebrejsko „š“, i naopak. Lěpše priznati, že děte je bylo narěčeno (2. kniga Mojseja 2:10b) svojeju sobstvenoju materju v formě, početkovo izgovornoj kak „Mašu“, „toj, kogo iztegnuli“ (ktora je stala „Moše“, „toj, kto izvodi“, to jest jego narod iz rabstva, kogda on izvedl jih dalje). V Egiptu 14.–13. stolětij „Moše“ napravdu proiznosilo se kak „Masu“, i zatom jest mnogo věrojetno, že mladogo hebrejskogo Mašu egiptske prijatelji prozvali Masu; ale tuto je slovesny kalambur, a ne pozajetje vo vsakom slučaju.»</ref> ==Biblijsky razkaz== [[Fajl:SyriacBibleParisFolio8rrMosesBeforePharaoh.jpg|thumb|left|''Mojsej prěd faraonom'', miniatura 6. stolětja iz sirijskoj Bibliji v Parižu]] ===Prorok i izbavitelj Izraelja=== {{Osnovny članok|Izhod}} Izraeljci sut poselili se v Zemje Gošen vo dni Josefa i Jakova, ale pojavil se novy faraon, ktory deprimoval synov Izraelja. V tamtoj čas u Amrama, syna Kehata, syna Levi, i Johebedy, dočeri Levi, rodil se Mojsej; oni sut prišli v Egipt zajedno s rodinoju Jakova. U Mojseja je byla sestra [[Miriam]], ktora byla starše jego na několiko lět, i brat [[Aaron]], ktory byl starše jego na tri goda. Faraon je prikazal, da by vsi novonarodženy hebrejsky mladčiki sut byli potopjeny v [[Nil]]u, ale materi Mojseja je položila jego v arku i skryla arku v vysokoj travě na brěgu rěky, kde děte je bylo najdeno i adoptovano dočerju faraona, i školil se kako egipčanin. Raz, kogda Mojsej dostignuti polnolětnosti, on je ubil egipčanina, ktory bil hebreja. Mojsej, da by izběgti smrtnoj kazni faraona, běgl v Madian (pustynnu krajinu k jugu od [[Judeja|Judeji]], kde ženil se na Cipporě.<ref>2. kniga Mojseja 2:21</ref> Tam, na [[Gora Horeb|gorě Horeb]], [[Bog]] javil se Mojseju v obrazu gorečego kusta, odkryl svoje ime JHVH (věrojetno, proiznosi se kak ''[[Jahve]]'' abo ''[[Jehova]]'')<ref>2. kniga Mojseja 3:14</ref> i povelěl jemu vratiti se v Egipt i izvesti svoj [[Izraelj kak izbrany narod|izbrany narod]] (Izraelj) iz rabstva v [[Zemja Oběčivana|Zemju Oběčivanu]] ([[Hanaan]]).<ref>2. kniga Mojseja 8:1</ref> V čas putovanja Bog pokušal se ubiti Mojseja za to, čto on ne je sdělal obrězanje svojemu synu,<ref>2. kniga Mojseja 4:24—26</ref> ale Cippora shranila jemu život. Mojsej vratil se, da by izpolniti Božje povelěnje, ale Bog zastavil prinudil faraona odkazati se, i jedino poslě togo, kak Bog porazil Egipt [[Deset egiptskyh kar|Desetju karami]], faraon odpustil Mojseja s jego narodom. Mojsej privedl izraeljcev k granice Egipta, ale Bog ponovno sdělal srdce faraona svirěpym, da by on mogl izgubiti faraona i jego armiju pri prěhodě prěz [[Črveno morje]] v znak svojej vlasti nad Izraeljem i drugymi narodami. [[Fajl:VictoryOLord.JPG|thumb|right|''«Poběda, o, Bože!»'', (1871) obraz Džona Evereta Mile, ktora izobražaje Mojseja s paloju v rukah, ktoromu pomogajut Aaron i Hur, vozvysivše jego ruky v čas bitvy s Amalikijcami.]] Poslě pobědy nad [[Amalikijci|amalikijcami]] v [[Refidim|Refidimě]], Mojsej povedl izraeljcev na [[Gora Sinaj|goru Sinaj]], kde jemu byli sut dany [[Deset zapovědij|Deset zapovědij od Boga]], napisanyh na kamennyh tabelah. Jednako, pokoliku Mojsej dolgy čas ostaval se na gorě, něktori ljudi bojali se, že on može byti mrtvy, zatom oni sut izdělali iz zlata statuju teletka i počeli moliti se na njego, tym samym oni ne poslušali i razgněvali Boga i Mojseja. Mojsej vo gněvu razbil kamenne tabely, a potom prikazal uniščiti tyh, kto molil se zlatomu teletku, ktoro je bylo raztolčeno vo prah i směšano s vodoju, ktoru zastavili piti idolopoklonnikov. Bog ponovno napisal deset zapovědij na novyh tabelah. Pozdněje, na gorě Sinaj, Mojsej i načelniku naroda zaključili zavět, suglasno ktoromu Izraelj byl povinny stati narodom Jehovy i pokoriti se jemu, a Jehova — stati jih bogom. Mojsej doručil zakony Božji Izraelju, založil svečenstvo vo glavě s jego bratom Aaronom i jego synami i izgubil tyh izraeljcev, ktory odšli od njego. V svojem poslědnjem aktě na Sinaje Bog dal Mojseju poučenja odnosno svečenogo šatora, prěsvigajemogo svetilišča, s pomočju ktorogo on bude idti a Izraeljem v Zemju Oběčivanu. Od Sinaja Mojsej povedl izraeljcev v [[Pustynja Paran|pustynju Paran]] na granice Hanaana. Odtud on odpravil v tamtu zemju dvanadset razvědarev. Razvědari vratili se s obraz obrazcami plodnosti zemji, ale odvratili, že jejni žitelji sut [[Nefilim|velikany]]. Ljudi sut byli nastrašeny i htěli vratiti se v Egipt, a něktory povstali suprotiv Mojseja i suprotiv Boga. Mojsej je skazal, že oni ne sut dostojny naslěditi tutu zemju i budut putovati po pustynje četyrideset lět, dopoka ne bude izumrěti to pokoljenje, odrěkše se vojdti v Hanaan, da by toj zemjej vladali jih děti.<ref>{{Cite book |last=Ginzberg |first=Louis |year=1909 |url=http://www.swartzentrover.com/cotor/e-books/misc/Legends/Legends%20of%20the%20Jews.pdf |title=The Legends of the Jews |volume=III: Ingratitude Punished |translator-first=Henrietta |translator-last=Szold |location=Philadelphia |publisher=Jewish Publication Society}}</ref> Pozdněje [[Korej]] byl nakazany za to, čto vozglavil povstanje suprotiv Mojseja. Kogda je minulo četyrideset lět, Mojsej povedl izraeljcev na vozhod, okolo [[Mrtvo morje|Mrtvogo morja]], k zemjam [[Edom]]a i [[Moab]]a. Tam oni sut izběgli pokušenja idolopoklonstva, zavojevali zemji [[Og]]a i [[Sigon]]a v [[Transjordanija|Transjordaniji]], polučili Božje blagoslovjenje prěz [[Balaam|proroka Balaama]] i izniščili madiancev, ktory k koncu Izhoda stali sut vragami izraeljcev iz-za jih smutno znajemoj rolje v sklonjenji izraeljcev ko grěhu suprotiv Boga. Mojseju obadva raza bylo je objavjeno, že on bude umrěti do togo, kak izraeljci budut vojdti v Zemju Oběčivanu: vo [[4. kniga Mojseja|4. knigě Mojseja]] 27:13<ref>4. kniga Mojseja 27:13</ref>, kogda on je uviděl Zemju Oběčivanu s [[Gora Abarim|gory Abarim]], i ponovno vo 4. knigě Mojseja 31:1<ref>4. kniga Mojseja 31:1</ref>, kogda byla je izigrana bitva s madiancami. Na brěgah [[Jordan]]a, v obzoru zemji, Mojsej sobral plemena. On pripomněl jim o jih putovanjah i izložil Božji zakony, po ktorym oni sut povinni žiti na tutoj zemji, spěval hvalebnu pěsnju i blagoslovil narod, a takože prědal svoju vlast [[Jezus Nun|Jezusu synu Nuna]], pod vlastju ktorogo oni budut vladati zemjeju. Zato Mojsej vozošel na [[Gora Nebo|Goru Nebo]], ogleděl Zemju Oběčivanu i umrěl v vozrastu 120 lět: <blockquote> Poslě tutogo Mojsej, služitelj Jehovy, umrěl tam, v zemji Moab, kak i je skazal Jehova. On je pogrebl jego v dolině v zemji Moab, naprotiv Bet-peora, i nikto donyně ne znaje, kde jegova mogyla . ''5 Kniga Mojseja 34:5–6)'' </blockquote> ===Zakonodatelj Izraelja=== [[Fajl:Rembrandt Harmensz. van Rijn 079.jpg|thumb|''Mojsej razbivaje Tabely Zavěta'' obrazok Rembrandta, 1659]] Dnes [[hebreji]] čtet Mojseja kak «zakonodatelja Izraelja», i on je izdal několiko svodov zakonov vo četyreh knigah. Prva iz njih to jest Kodeks zavěta,<ref>2. kniga Mojseja 20:19–23:33</ref> uslovja zavěta, ktory Bog prědlagaje izraeljcam na gorě Sinaj. Čestju zavěta sut [[Deset zapovědij|Dekalog]] ([[deset zapovědij]], [[2. kniga Mojseja]] 20:1–17)<ref>2. kniga Mojseja 20:1–17</ref> i Kniga Zavěta (2. kniga Mojseja 20:22–23:19).<ref>2. kniga Mojseja 20:22–23:19</ref> Vsa [[3. kniga Mojseja]] prědstavjaje soboju vtoroj svod zakonov, [[4. kniga Mojseja]] počinaje se ješče s jednogo svoda, a [[5. kniga Mojseja]] — s drugogo.<ref>5. kniga Mojseja 1:1, 5</ref> Mojsej tradicijno myslil se avtorom tutyh četyreh knig zajedno s [[1. kniga Mojseja|1. knigoju Mojseja]], ktory zajedno sostavjajut [[Tora|Toru]], prvy razděl Hebrejskoj Bibliji. == Žrla == {{Iztočniky}} == Vněšnje linky == {{Prěvod|en|Moses|}} {{INTERWIKI|Q9077}} {{Članok s zvězdoju}} [[Kategorija:Religija]] [[Kategorija:Ljudi]] k3e02q0wcgksg6jf3g8u8xjv1cm0iew 0 1400 28677 28631 2026-07-14T14:11:49Z Ilja isv 10 28677 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka carstvenna osoba | name = Napoleon Bonapart | image = [[Fajl:Jacques-Louis David - The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries - Google Art Project.jpg|thumb|center|''[[Imperator Napoleon v sojem kabinetu na Tuijeri]]'', Žak-Lui David (1812)]] | alt = Portrait of Napoleon in his late thirties, in high-ranking white and dark blue military dress uniform. In the original image he stands amid rich 18th-century furniture laden with papers, and gazes at the viewer. His hair is Brutus style, cropped close but with a short fringe in front, and his right hand is tucked in his waistcoat. | caption = ''[[The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries]]'', 1812 | succession = [[Imperator francuzov]] | reign = 18 maja 1804 – {{nowrap|6 aprila 1814}} | reign_type = 1. carstvo | cor_type = | coronation = | predecessor = | successor = [[Louis XVIII|Lui XVIII]]<ref name=louis> [[Kralj Francije]]</ref> | reign_type1 = [[Sto dnjev|2. carstvo]] | reign1 = {{nowrap|20 mareca 1815 ― 22&nbsp;junija 1815}} | predecessor1 = | successor1 = {{-|Louis XVIII|Луи XVIII}}<ref name=louis/> <!--| module = {{Kartka činovnik | name = | embed = yes | office = [[First Consul of France|First Consul of the French Republic]] | term_start = 13 December 1799 | term_end = 18 May 1804 | office1 = [[French Consulate|Provisional Consul of the French Republic]] | term_start1 = 10 November 1799 | term_end1 = 12 December 1799--> <!--{{Collapsed infobox section begin|Other offices held|titlestyle = border:1px dashed lightgrey}}--> <!--| office2 = [[Protector of the Confederation of the Rhine]] | term_start2 = 12 July 1806 | term_end2 = 19 October 1813 | office3 = [[Kingdom of Italy (Napoleonic)|King of Italy]] | term_start3 = 17 March 1805 | term_end3 = 11 April 1814 | office4 = [[Act of Mediation|Mediator of the Swiss Confederation]] | term_start4 = 19 February 1803 | term_end4 = 19 October 1813 | office5 = [[Italian Republic (Napoleonic)|President of the Italian Republic]] | term_start5 = 26 January 1802 | term_end5 = 17 March 1805--> <!--{{Collapsed infobox section end}}--> | birth_name = {{-|Napoleone di Buonaparte}} | birth_date = {{Birth date|1769|8|15|df=yes}} | birth_place = [[Ajaccio|Ažačio]], Korsika, Francija | death_date = {{Death date and age|1821|5|5|1769|8|15|df=yes}} | death_place = [[Longwood, Saint Helena|Longvud, Sveta Helena]] | burial_date = 15 dekembra 1840 | burial_place = {{lang|fr|[[Les Invalides]]|italic=no}}, Pariž, Francija | spouses = {{plainlist| * {{-|[[Joséphine de Beauharnais]]|[[Joséphine de Beauharnais|Жозефин де Боарне]]}}<br/> 9 mareca 1796 - 10 januara 1810 (anulacija) * {{-|[[Marie Louise Avstriska]]|[[Marie Louise Avstriska|Мари-Луиз Австриjска]]}}<br> 11 mareca 1810 - 1814 (razvod)}} | religion = | regnal_name = | issue = | issue_link = #Children | issue_pipe = vyše... | full_name = | house = | father = | mother = | signature = [[Fajl:Firma Napoleón Bonaparte.svg|center|200px]] }} '''Napoleon Bonapart''' ({{Jezyky|it|Napoleone Buonaparte}}, urodženy 15 avgusta 1769 v [[Ajačo]] na [[Korsika|Korsikě]], umrl 5 maja 1821 v Longvud ({{Jezyky|en|Longwood}}) na [[Ostrov Svetoj Eleny|Ostrovu Sv. Eleny]]) – [[Francija|francuzsky]] vojin i politik [[italija]]nskogo proizhodženja, glava državy – izprva Prvoj Francuzskoj Republiky, kako Prvy Konsul v lětah 1799-1804, pozdněje glava Prvoj Francuzskoj Imperije kako [[Vladari Francije|cěsar Francuzov]] '''Napoleon {{-|I}}''' v lětah 1804-1814. [[Knežstvo Elba|Knez Elby]] v lětah 1814-1815 i iznova cěsar Francuzov v godu 1815. Prezident Italijanskoj Republiky (1802–1805), a nastupno kralj Kraljevstva Italije (1805–1814); protektor Renskogo Sveza (1806–1813), tomu takože realny načelnik Varšavskogo Knežstva. == Životopis == === Proizhodženje i lěta školy === [[Fajl:Coat of arms of Buonaparte.svg|thumb|left|Gerb roda ''{{-|Buonaparte}}'']] [[Fajl:Corsica Ajaccio Rue Sainte-Charles Maison Napoleon.jpg|thumb|left|{{-|[[Maison Bonaparte]] (''Casa Buonaparte'')}} v [[Ajačo]] – rodinny dom i město narodženja Cěsara]] [[Fajl:Henri Félix Emmanuel Philippoteaux - Portrait of Napoleon Bonaparte.jpg|thumb|left|Napoleon kako poručnik]] Urodil se kako '''Napoleone Buonaparte''' v Ajačo na Korsikě v dvorjanskoj rodině proizhodženja italijanskogo. Syn Karla Marije Buonaparte i jego ženy Leticije. Iměl četyreh bratov: Žozefa, Ludvika, Luciena i Žeroma, i tri sestry: Karolinu Bonapart, Paulinu Bonapart i Elizu Bonapart. 21 julija 1771 goda byl [[Krest|okreščeny]] kako [[Katolicizm|katolik]], v katedralě Ajačo. Napoleon načel osparjati svoju věru v věku 13 lět. Biografi opisyvali go kako [[Deizm|deista]]<ref>{{-|Ellis, Geoffrey (1997a). "Religion according to Napoleon". In Aston, Nigel (ed.). Religious change in Europe, 1650-1914: essays for John McManners. Oxford: Clarendon Press. ISBN 0-1982-0596-1. s. 236, s. 239-241.}}</ref>. Buonaparti žili v svojem rodinnom domu, zvanom {{-|[[Maison Bonaparte]]}}. V januaru 1779 byl zapisany do duhovnogo seminarija v Oten, kde tri měsece učil se [[Francuzsky jezyk|francuzskogo jezyka]]. Rektor seminarija, svečennik Šardon ({{Jezyky|fr|Chardon}}) govoril, da on byl seriozny i zamysljeny. Ne naučil se jednako korektnogo izgovora francuzskogo i govoril s [[Korsikansky jezyk|korsikanskym]] akcentom. Hvala protekciji gubernatora Korsiky, 23 aprilja 1779 goda byl prijety v školu vojennu v Brien-le-Šato ({{Jezyky|fr|Brienne-le-Château}}){{Odn|Dumas|2001|s=2}}. Byl jedin iz petdeseti kraljevskyh stipendistov – posrěd sta deseti učenikov. Naučane prědmety to medžu inymi matematika, latinsky, francuzsky, němečsky, historija, geografija, fizika, postavjanje fortifikacij, oruženje, sabljevanje, tanec i muzika. Tam dostal reputaciju samotnika, ktory preferoval nauku od kompanije kolegov ktori byli na lěpšem položenju. Jego omiljenym zajetjem bylo čitanje knig. Često byval v bibliotekě i studioval raboty [[Polibij]]a, [[Plutarh]]a, [[Flavij Arian|Flavija Ariana]] i Kvintusa Rufusa<ref>{{Citation |author = {{-|Andrew Roberts}} |section = Korsika |title = Napoleon Veliki, s. 12 |year = 2014}}</ref>. Od 1784 prodolžal nauku v ''Lekol Militer'' ({{Jezyky|fr|l’École Militaire}}) v [[Pariž]]u. Po zakončenju nauky v 1786 so zvanjem [[podporučnik]]a byl priděljeny do služby v [[Artilerija|artileriji]]. Po smrti otca, v věku 16 lět zajel se bratom [[Ludvik Bonapart|Ludvikom]], ktory od tutogo momenta žil s njim v raznych kazarnah i učil se od njego. === Početky bojnoj kariery === Poslě početka [[Francuzska revolucija|francuzskoj revolucije]] Bonapart ne poddržal ju směsta. Javil se do korsikanskyh povstancev [[Paskuale Paoli|Paoli]], ale prěšel na francuzsku stranu, ibo odkazali mu prijetja. V aprilju 1791 byl avansovany na [[poručnik]]a. Kogda Paoli v maju 1793 sdělal antifrancuzsko vozstanje, rodině Bonapartov trěba bylo izběgati iz ostrova. ==== Obsada Tulona ==== {{Osnovny članok|Obsada Tulona (1793)}} V juliju 1793, Bonapart opublikoval pro-republikansky pamflet o titulu ''Večerja v Boker'' ({{Jezyky|fr|Le souper de Beaucaire}}), hvala ktoromu dostal podpor [[Ogjusten Robespjer|Ogjustena Robespjera]], mladšego brata lidera Revolucije, [[Maksimilian Robespjer|Maksimiliana Robespjera]]. S pomočju svojego korsikanskogo druga, [[Antuan Kristof Saličeti|Antuana Kristofa Saličeti]], Bonapart stal kapitanom artilerije sil revolucijnyh v tečenju obsady Tulona{{Odn|Dwyer|2008|s=132}}. Zaadaptoval plan postavjenja artilerije na gorkě nedaleko grada daby dosegnuti pribrěžje grada i daby prinuditi do odvrata Angličanov, ktori branili grad iz morja. Ataka iz toj pozicije umožnila zahvat grada, ale podčas napada, Napoleona poranili v nogu. Hvala tomu uspěhu byl imenovany brigadnym generalom, kogda iměl jedino 24 lět. Za to, da byl priměčeny [[Komitet Publičnogo Spasenja|Komitetom Publičnogo Spasenja]], byl priděljeny v vojska artilerijske v [[Prva antifrancuzska koalicija#Napoleon v Italiji|Armiji Italije]]{{Odn|McLynn|1998|s=76}}. Napoleon, čekajuči na potvrdženje svojih udělov iz Armije Italije, provodil inspekcije nadmorskyh fortifikacij nedaleko [[Marselj]]a. Izrabotal takože plany ataky na [[Kraljevstvo Sardinije]], kako čest francuzskogo odzyva na dějanja Prvoj Koalicije. Ogjusten Robespjer i Saličeti byli gotovi izslušati propozicij svěžo imenovanogo generala{{Odn|Chandler|1973|s=30}}. Francuzska armija provedla plan Napoleona v {{Link-interwiki|Bitva pod Saordžo|tekst=bitvě pod Saordžo|Q=Q117370635}} v aprilju 1794, zajmajuča teritorije Kraljevstva Sardinije v [[Piemont]]u, na višině gorskogo grada [[Ormea]]. S toj pozicije Armija Francuzska iduča na zapad okružila Armiju sardinsko-avstrijsku položenu vokrug [[Saorž]]. Po toj kampaniji, Ogjusten Robespjer poslal generala Bonaparte s diplomatičnoju misijeju k [[Republika Genuvy|Genuvě]] daby razvědati zamysly Republiky odnosno Francije<ref>{{Cite book |last = Gueniffey |first = Patrice |author-link = |title = Bonaparte: 1769–1802 |publisher = Harvard UP |place = |year = 2015 |pages = 137–159 |isbn =}}</ref>. === 13 Vandemier === Po upadku [[Jakobinci|jakobincev]], s ktorymi byl svezany, objavil se dočasno<!--trěba potvrditi razumlivost tutogo slova--> v vezenju, a potom črěz několikonadset měsecev byl bez priděla<!--Dobro by bylo lêpše slovo, gledite poljsky original-->. Doprva lider [[Direktorij]]a [[Pol Barras]], ktory pametal Napoleona iz časov obsady Tulona, naznačil go na zajetje rukovodstva nad odredami ktori branili Republiku v času rojalistskogo vozstanja [[13 Vandemier]] (5 oktobra 1795). Pozvolilo to Napoleonu iznova ukazati svoju efektivnost, s pomočju upotrěbjanja v bojah uličnyh artylerij. Po toj akciji byl imenovany kako voditelj vojsk vnutrnyh i divizijny general. 9 marca 1796, imajuči 27 lět, osvatil se s [[Vdovstvo|ovdověloju]] aristokratkoju [[Žozefina de Boarne|Žozefinoju de Boarne]], ktora po smrti svojego muža byla ljubovniceju Barrasa i několiko inyh vplyvnyh politikov. On togda izměnil rodnu nazvu, črěz darovanje jej francuzsko pravopisanje i izgovor. Několiko dnev po svatbě s Žozefinoju, Napoleon zajel rukovodstvo nad vojskami francuzskymi, ktore vojevali z [[Avstrija|Avstrijcami]] na teritoriji sěvernoj [[Italija|Italije]] i ljudi spekulovali, da stalo se tako hvala znajemym Žozefiny. === Kampanije v Italiji i Egiptu === [[Fajl:WKossak029.jpg|thumb|[[Vojtěh Kossak]], ''Napoleon v Egiptu'']] [[Fajl:Francois-Louis-Joseph Watteau 001.jpg|thumb|[[François-Louis-Joseph Watteau]], ''Bitva pod piramidami'']] {{Osnovny članok|Pohod Napoleona na Egipt}} V lětah 1796–1797 Napoleon pobědil militarno v Italiji, nadigral Austrijcev i [[Kraljevtvo Sardinije|Sardiniju]] i naložil jim [[Kampo-formijsky mir]] v 1797 godu. Pod jego prikazami služili [[Legiony Poljske v Italiji|Legiony Poljske]] rukovodžene od generala [[Jan Henryk Dombrovsky|Jana Henryka Dombrovskogo]]. <!--da? tako pisati Dąbrowski?--> V 1797 godu dalje trvala vojna [[Francija|Francije]] s [[Kraljevstvo Velikoj Britanije|Monarhijeju Britanskoju]], poslědnjeju državoju {{-|I}} koalicije antifrancuzskoj, zavezanoj v 1793 godu protiv revoluciji vo Franciji. Daby prinuditi Veliku Britaniju do zakončenja vojny, Napoleon Bonapart prědložil podbitje [[Indija|Indije]] – perly [[Britanska imperija|Korony Britanskoj]] <!--Ima smysl "Korona britanska" v jezykah inyh od poljskogo?-->. Za toj cělj Napoleon napadl na [[Egipt]], ktory iměl byti budučeju bazoju za napad na Indiju. Egipsky pohod odigral se v maju 1798. Učestvovali v njem 38 tyseči morjeplavateljij i vojinov a takože 175 učenyh i artistov, ktori iměli raziskyvati kulturu i historiju Egipta. Jih zaslugoju bylo ponovno odkrytje historije drěvnego Egipta dlja Evropy. Po uspěhah, kakymi byli zajetja [[Malta|Malty]] i [[Dolny Egipt|Dolnogo Egipta]] s [[Aleksandrija|Aleksandrijeju]], v bitvah pod [[Bitva pod Abukirom (1799)|Abukirom]] i pod [[Bitva pod piramidami|piramidami]], vojska ekspedicijne strěčali same neuspěhy: * užasny klimat, * bolěznje tropične, * uniščenje francuzskoj floty admirala Brujego 2 avgusta od eskadrona anglijskyh korabov admirala [[Horatio Nelson|Nelsona]] u ustja [[Nil]]a, * vozstanje ljudi v [[Kair]]u, * vměšanje se vojsk [[Osmanska imperija|turečskyh]], * zajetje Malty Angličanami. Konečno Francuzi byli prinudženi od sil turečsko-anglijskyh do kapitulacije v 1801 godu. == Tvorčestvo == * ''Pismo k Matteu Buttafuoku'' (izdano 1791, prvo voznovjenje 1821, ponovno izdanje 1908) * ''{{Link-interwiki |Večerja v Boker|Q=Q3227353}}'' (izdano dvukratno v 1793, voznovjenje v 1821, ponovno izdanje 1908) * ''Klisson i Eugenia'' (prěklad poljsky [[Jacek Kovalsky]]) * ''Maska proroka'' (izdano v 1908) * ''Projekt konstitucije sveza {{-|Calotte}}'' * ''O ljubvi slavy i ljubvi otčiny'' * ''O Korsikě'' (izd. 1908) * ''Dialog o ljubvi'' (izv. 1908) * ''Ljubov k Polskě'' (izd. 1908) * ''Kampanija v Egiptu i Siriji'' * ''Traktat za Lionsku Akademiju'' * ''Oprovrgnutje „Obrany hristijanstva” Rustana'' * ''Monarhija ili republika'' (nedokončeno, izdano 1908) * ''Italijanska Kampanija'' == Iztočniky == {{Iztočniky}} <!--Članok s dedikacijeju za mojego druga Łukasza. Počivaj v miru [*]--> {{Prěvod|pl|Napoleon Bonaparte}} {{INTERWIKI|Q517}} [[Kategorija:Francuzi]] [[Kategorija:Politiki]] [[Kategorija:Vojaki]] n4qmmchpoekppkocp4s3frumrbz78b5 28678 28677 2026-07-14T14:14:43Z Ilja isv 10 28678 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka carstvenna osoba | name = Napoleon Bonapart | image = [[Fajl:Jacques-Louis David - The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries - Google Art Project.jpg|thumb|center|''[[Imperator Napoleon v svojem kabinetu na Tuijeri]]'', Žak-Lui David (1812)]] | alt = Portrait of Napoleon in his late thirties, in high-ranking white and dark blue military dress uniform. In the original image he stands amid rich 18th-century furniture laden with papers, and gazes at the viewer. His hair is Brutus style, cropped close but with a short fringe in front, and his right hand is tucked in his waistcoat. | caption = ''[[The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries]]'', 1812 | succession = [[Imperator francuzov]] | reign = 18 maja 1804 – {{nowrap|6 aprila 1814}} | reign_type = 1. carstvo | cor_type = | coronation = | predecessor = | successor = [[Louis XVIII|Lui XVIII]]<ref name=louis> [[Kralj Francije]]</ref> | reign_type1 = [[Sto dnjev|2. carstvo]] | reign1 = {{nowrap|20 mareca 1815 ― 22&nbsp;junija 1815}} | predecessor1 = | successor1 = {{-|Louis XVIII|Луи XVIII}}<ref name=louis/> <!--| module = {{Kartka činovnik | name = | embed = yes | office = [[First Consul of France|First Consul of the French Republic]] | term_start = 13 December 1799 | term_end = 18 May 1804 | office1 = [[French Consulate|Provisional Consul of the French Republic]] | term_start1 = 10 November 1799 | term_end1 = 12 December 1799--> <!--{{Collapsed infobox section begin|Other offices held|titlestyle = border:1px dashed lightgrey}}--> <!--| office2 = [[Protector of the Confederation of the Rhine]] | term_start2 = 12 July 1806 | term_end2 = 19 October 1813 | office3 = [[Kingdom of Italy (Napoleonic)|King of Italy]] | term_start3 = 17 March 1805 | term_end3 = 11 April 1814 | office4 = [[Act of Mediation|Mediator of the Swiss Confederation]] | term_start4 = 19 February 1803 | term_end4 = 19 October 1813 | office5 = [[Italian Republic (Napoleonic)|President of the Italian Republic]] | term_start5 = 26 January 1802 | term_end5 = 17 March 1805--> <!--{{Collapsed infobox section end}}--> | birth_name = {{-|Napoleone di Buonaparte}} | birth_date = {{Birth date|1769|8|15|df=yes}} | birth_place = [[Ajaccio|Ažačio]], Korsika, Francija | death_date = {{Death date and age|1821|5|5|1769|8|15|df=yes}} | death_place = [[Longwood, Saint Helena|Longvud, Sveta Helena]] | burial_date = 15 dekembra 1840 | burial_place = {{lang|fr|[[Les Invalides]]|italic=no}}, Pariž, Francija | spouses = {{plainlist| * {{-|[[Joséphine de Beauharnais]]|[[Joséphine de Beauharnais|Жозефин де Боарне]]}}<br/> 9 mareca 1796 - 10 januara 1810 (anulacija) * {{-|[[Marie Louise Avstriska]]|[[Marie Louise Avstriska|Мари-Луиз Австриjска]]}}<br> 11 mareca 1810 - 1814 (razvod)}} | religion = | regnal_name = | issue = | issue_link = #Children | issue_pipe = vyše... | full_name = | house = | father = | mother = | signature = [[Fajl:Firma Napoleón Bonaparte.svg|center|200px]] }} '''Napoleon Bonapart''' ({{Jezyky|it|Napoleone Buonaparte}}, urodženy 15 avgusta 1769 v [[Ajačo]] na [[Korsika|Korsikě]], umrl 5 maja 1821 v Longvud ({{Jezyky|en|Longwood}}) na [[Ostrov Svetoj Eleny|Ostrovu Sv. Eleny]]) – [[Francija|francuzsky]] vojin i politik [[italija]]nskogo proizhodženja, glava državy – izprva Prvoj Francuzskoj Republiky, kako Prvy Konsul v lětah 1799-1804, pozdněje glava Prvoj Francuzskoj Imperije kako [[Vladari Francije|cěsar Francuzov]] '''Napoleon {{-|I}}''' v lětah 1804-1814. [[Knežstvo Elba|Knez Elby]] v lětah 1814-1815 i iznova cěsar Francuzov v godu 1815. Prezident Italijanskoj Republiky (1802–1805), a nastupno kralj Kraljevstva Italije (1805–1814); protektor Renskogo Sveza (1806–1813), tomu takože realny načelnik Varšavskogo Knežstva. == Životopis == === Proizhodženje i lěta školy === [[Fajl:Coat of arms of Buonaparte.svg|thumb|left|Gerb roda ''{{-|Buonaparte}}'']] [[Fajl:Corsica Ajaccio Rue Sainte-Charles Maison Napoleon.jpg|thumb|left|{{-|[[Maison Bonaparte]] (''Casa Buonaparte'')}} v [[Ajačo]] – rodinny dom i město narodženja Cěsara]] [[Fajl:Henri Félix Emmanuel Philippoteaux - Portrait of Napoleon Bonaparte.jpg|thumb|left|Napoleon kako poručnik]] Urodil se kako '''Napoleone Buonaparte''' v Ajačo na Korsikě v dvorjanskoj rodině proizhodženja italijanskogo. Syn Karla Marije Buonaparte i jego ženy Leticije. Iměl četyreh bratov: Žozefa, Ludvika, Luciena i Žeroma, i tri sestry: Karolinu Bonapart, Paulinu Bonapart i Elizu Bonapart. 21 julija 1771 goda byl [[Krest|okreščeny]] kako [[Katolicizm|katolik]], v katedralě Ajačo. Napoleon načel osparjati svoju věru v věku 13 lět. Biografi opisyvali go kako [[Deizm|deista]]<ref>{{-|Ellis, Geoffrey (1997a). "Religion according to Napoleon". In Aston, Nigel (ed.). Religious change in Europe, 1650-1914: essays for John McManners. Oxford: Clarendon Press. ISBN 0-1982-0596-1. s. 236, s. 239-241.}}</ref>. Buonaparti žili v svojem rodinnom domu, zvanom {{-|[[Maison Bonaparte]]}}. V januaru 1779 byl zapisany do duhovnogo seminarija v Oten, kde tri měsece učil se [[Francuzsky jezyk|francuzskogo jezyka]]. Rektor seminarija, svečennik Šardon ({{Jezyky|fr|Chardon}}) govoril, da on byl seriozny i zamysljeny. Ne naučil se jednako korektnogo izgovora francuzskogo i govoril s [[Korsikansky jezyk|korsikanskym]] akcentom. Hvala protekciji gubernatora Korsiky, 23 aprilja 1779 goda byl prijety v školu vojennu v Brien-le-Šato ({{Jezyky|fr|Brienne-le-Château}}){{Odn|Dumas|2001|s=2}}. Byl jedin iz petdeseti kraljevskyh stipendistov – posrěd sta deseti učenikov. Naučane prědmety to medžu inymi matematika, latinsky, francuzsky, němečsky, historija, geografija, fizika, postavjanje fortifikacij, oruženje, sabljevanje, tanec i muzika. Tam dostal reputaciju samotnika, ktory preferoval nauku od kompanije kolegov ktori byli na lěpšem položenju. Jego omiljenym zajetjem bylo čitanje knig. Često byval v bibliotekě i studioval raboty [[Polibij]]a, [[Plutarh]]a, [[Flavij Arian|Flavija Ariana]] i Kvintusa Rufusa<ref>{{Citation |author = {{-|Andrew Roberts}} |section = Korsika |title = Napoleon Veliki, s. 12 |year = 2014}}</ref>. Od 1784 prodolžal nauku v ''Lekol Militer'' ({{Jezyky|fr|l’École Militaire}}) v [[Pariž]]u. Po zakončenju nauky v 1786 so zvanjem [[podporučnik]]a byl priděljeny do služby v [[Artilerija|artileriji]]. Po smrti otca, v věku 16 lět zajel se bratom [[Ludvik Bonapart|Ludvikom]], ktory od tutogo momenta žil s njim v raznych kazarnah i učil se od njego. === Početky bojnoj kariery === Poslě početka [[Francuzska revolucija|francuzskoj revolucije]] Bonapart ne poddržal ju směsta. Javil se do korsikanskyh povstancev [[Paskuale Paoli|Paoli]], ale prěšel na francuzsku stranu, ibo odkazali mu prijetja. V aprilju 1791 byl avansovany na [[poručnik]]a. Kogda Paoli v maju 1793 sdělal antifrancuzsko vozstanje, rodině Bonapartov trěba bylo izběgati iz ostrova. ==== Obsada Tulona ==== {{Osnovny članok|Obsada Tulona (1793)}} V juliju 1793, Bonapart opublikoval pro-republikansky pamflet o titulu ''Večerja v Boker'' ({{Jezyky|fr|Le souper de Beaucaire}}), hvala ktoromu dostal podpor [[Ogjusten Robespjer|Ogjustena Robespjera]], mladšego brata lidera Revolucije, [[Maksimilian Robespjer|Maksimiliana Robespjera]]. S pomočju svojego korsikanskogo druga, [[Antuan Kristof Saličeti|Antuana Kristofa Saličeti]], Bonapart stal kapitanom artilerije sil revolucijnyh v tečenju obsady Tulona{{Odn|Dwyer|2008|s=132}}. Zaadaptoval plan postavjenja artilerije na gorkě nedaleko grada daby dosegnuti pribrěžje grada i daby prinuditi do odvrata Angličanov, ktori branili grad iz morja. Ataka iz toj pozicije umožnila zahvat grada, ale podčas napada, Napoleona poranili v nogu. Hvala tomu uspěhu byl imenovany brigadnym generalom, kogda iměl jedino 24 lět. Za to, da byl priměčeny [[Komitet Publičnogo Spasenja|Komitetom Publičnogo Spasenja]], byl priděljeny v vojska artilerijske v [[Prva antifrancuzska koalicija#Napoleon v Italiji|Armiji Italije]]{{Odn|McLynn|1998|s=76}}. Napoleon, čekajuči na potvrdženje svojih udělov iz Armije Italije, provodil inspekcije nadmorskyh fortifikacij nedaleko [[Marselj]]a. Izrabotal takože plany ataky na [[Kraljevstvo Sardinije]], kako čest francuzskogo odzyva na dějanja Prvoj Koalicije. Ogjusten Robespjer i Saličeti byli gotovi izslušati propozicij svěžo imenovanogo generala{{Odn|Chandler|1973|s=30}}. Francuzska armija provedla plan Napoleona v {{Link-interwiki|Bitva pod Saordžo|tekst=bitvě pod Saordžo|Q=Q117370635}} v aprilju 1794, zajmajuča teritorije Kraljevstva Sardinije v [[Piemont]]u, na višině gorskogo grada [[Ormea]]. S toj pozicije Armija Francuzska iduča na zapad okružila Armiju sardinsko-avstrijsku položenu vokrug [[Saorž]]. Po toj kampaniji, Ogjusten Robespjer poslal generala Bonaparte s diplomatičnoju misijeju k [[Republika Genuvy|Genuvě]] daby razvědati zamysly Republiky odnosno Francije<ref>{{Cite book |last = Gueniffey |first = Patrice |author-link = |title = Bonaparte: 1769–1802 |publisher = Harvard UP |place = |year = 2015 |pages = 137–159 |isbn =}}</ref>. === 13 Vandemier === Po upadku [[Jakobinci|jakobincev]], s ktorymi byl svezany, objavil se dočasno<!--trěba potvrditi razumlivost tutogo slova--> v vezenju, a potom črěz několikonadset měsecev byl bez priděla<!--Dobro by bylo lêpše slovo, gledite poljsky original-->. Doprva lider [[Direktorij]]a [[Pol Barras]], ktory pametal Napoleona iz časov obsady Tulona, naznačil go na zajetje rukovodstva nad odredami ktori branili Republiku v času rojalistskogo vozstanja [[13 Vandemier]] (5 oktobra 1795). Pozvolilo to Napoleonu iznova ukazati svoju efektivnost, s pomočju upotrěbjanja v bojah uličnyh artylerij. Po toj akciji byl imenovany kako voditelj vojsk vnutrnyh i divizijny general. 9 marca 1796, imajuči 27 lět, osvatil se s [[Vdovstvo|ovdověloju]] aristokratkoju [[Žozefina de Boarne|Žozefinoju de Boarne]], ktora po smrti svojego muža byla ljubovniceju Barrasa i několiko inyh vplyvnyh politikov. On togda izměnil rodnu nazvu, črěz darovanje jej francuzsko pravopisanje i izgovor. Několiko dnev po svatbě s Žozefinoju, Napoleon zajel rukovodstvo nad vojskami francuzskymi, ktore vojevali z [[Avstrija|Avstrijcami]] na teritoriji sěvernoj [[Italija|Italije]] i ljudi spekulovali, da stalo se tako hvala znajemym Žozefiny. === Kampanije v Italiji i Egiptu === [[Fajl:WKossak029.jpg|thumb|[[Vojtěh Kossak]], ''Napoleon v Egiptu'']] [[Fajl:Francois-Louis-Joseph Watteau 001.jpg|thumb|[[François-Louis-Joseph Watteau]], ''Bitva pod piramidami'']] {{Osnovny članok|Pohod Napoleona na Egipt}} V lětah 1796–1797 Napoleon pobědil militarno v Italiji, nadigral Austrijcev i [[Kraljevtvo Sardinije|Sardiniju]] i naložil jim [[Kampo-formijsky mir]] v 1797 godu. Pod jego prikazami služili [[Legiony Poljske v Italiji|Legiony Poljske]] rukovodžene od generala [[Jan Henryk Dombrovsky|Jana Henryka Dombrovskogo]]. <!--da? tako pisati Dąbrowski?--> V 1797 godu dalje trvala vojna [[Francija|Francije]] s [[Kraljevstvo Velikoj Britanije|Monarhijeju Britanskoju]], poslědnjeju državoju {{-|I}} koalicije antifrancuzskoj, zavezanoj v 1793 godu protiv revoluciji vo Franciji. Daby prinuditi Veliku Britaniju do zakončenja vojny, Napoleon Bonapart prědložil podbitje [[Indija|Indije]] – perly [[Britanska imperija|Korony Britanskoj]] <!--Ima smysl "Korona britanska" v jezykah inyh od poljskogo?-->. Za toj cělj Napoleon napadl na [[Egipt]], ktory iměl byti budučeju bazoju za napad na Indiju. Egipsky pohod odigral se v maju 1798. Učestvovali v njem 38 tyseči morjeplavateljij i vojinov a takože 175 učenyh i artistov, ktori iměli raziskyvati kulturu i historiju Egipta. Jih zaslugoju bylo ponovno odkrytje historije drěvnego Egipta dlja Evropy. Po uspěhah, kakymi byli zajetja [[Malta|Malty]] i [[Dolny Egipt|Dolnogo Egipta]] s [[Aleksandrija|Aleksandrijeju]], v bitvah pod [[Bitva pod Abukirom (1799)|Abukirom]] i pod [[Bitva pod piramidami|piramidami]], vojska ekspedicijne strěčali same neuspěhy: * užasny klimat, * bolěznje tropične, * uniščenje francuzskoj floty admirala Brujego 2 avgusta od eskadrona anglijskyh korabov admirala [[Horatio Nelson|Nelsona]] u ustja [[Nil]]a, * vozstanje ljudi v [[Kair]]u, * vměšanje se vojsk [[Osmanska imperija|turečskyh]], * zajetje Malty Angličanami. Konečno Francuzi byli prinudženi od sil turečsko-anglijskyh do kapitulacije v 1801 godu. == Tvorčestvo == * ''Pismo k Matteu Buttafuoku'' (izdano 1791, prvo voznovjenje 1821, ponovno izdanje 1908) * ''{{Link-interwiki |Večerja v Boker|Q=Q3227353}}'' (izdano dvukratno v 1793, voznovjenje v 1821, ponovno izdanje 1908) * ''Klisson i Eugenia'' (prěklad poljsky [[Jacek Kovalsky]]) * ''Maska proroka'' (izdano v 1908) * ''Projekt konstitucije sveza {{-|Calotte}}'' * ''O ljubvi slavy i ljubvi otčiny'' * ''O Korsikě'' (izd. 1908) * ''Dialog o ljubvi'' (izv. 1908) * ''Ljubov k Polskě'' (izd. 1908) * ''Kampanija v Egiptu i Siriji'' * ''Traktat za Lionsku Akademiju'' * ''Oprovrgnutje „Obrany hristijanstva” Rustana'' * ''Monarhija ili republika'' (nedokončeno, izdano 1908) * ''Italijanska Kampanija'' == Iztočniky == {{Iztočniky}} <!--Članok s dedikacijeju za mojego druga Łukasza. Počivaj v miru [*]--> {{Prěvod|pl|Napoleon Bonaparte}} {{INTERWIKI|Q517}} [[Kategorija:Francuzi]] [[Kategorija:Politiki]] [[Kategorija:Vojaki]] duhmgu0y6slawlxwq0wcej1vb32v7a2 0 1446 28727 11981 2026-07-15T07:25:48Z MwGamera 13 ě linkTrail; lat/kir 28727 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Obyčaj''' (takože: '''tradicija''', '''obred''') jest sistema věrovanj ili povedenjij prědavana v skupině ljud ili obščestvě s simboličnym značenijem ili posebnom važnostju s korěnjami v prošlosty. Obični primery vklučajut svetok, simboličnu odeždu i uspostavljene socialne normy povedenja. Tradiciji mogut sohranjatisě i razvivati tysaču lět. Slovo ''tradicija'' samo prihodi iz latinskogo {{Lang|la|tradere}} — bukvolno «prědavati», «peredavati». Hot se predpolagaje čto tradiciji imajut drevnju historiju, mnoge tradiciji sut byti namerno izobreteny za kratky period vrěmeny — bilo to iz političeskih ili kulturnih soobraženjij. Obyčaji i tradiciji sut predmet izslědovanija v někeljko akademičnih oblastjah, osoblivo v gumanitarnih i socialnih naukah, vklučajučy [[Antropologija|antropologiju]], [[Arkeologija|arkeologiju]], [[Historija|historiju]] i [[Sociologija|sociologiju]]. == Etimologija == Slovo ''obyčaj'' jest obšče slovjansko i vozhodi k praslovjansko­mu *''ob-učiti'' — «privykati», «učiti». Slovo ''tradicija'' prihodi iz latinskogo {{Lang|la|traditio}} — «prědavanije», «prědanje», iz {{Lang|la|tradere}} — «prědavati». V slovjanskih jezykah slovo prisutno v formi ''обычай'' (rus.), ''звичай'' (ukr.), ''zwyczaj'' (polj.), ''običaj'' (srb., hrv.). == Oprědělenje i koncepty == Po oprědělenju lingvista i antropologa {{-|[[Edward Sapir|{{-|Edward Sapir'a}}]]|[[Edward Sapir|Едварда Сапира]]}}, ''obyčaj'' odnosi se na «sovokupnostj obrazcov povedenja nošenih tradicijoju i ukoriněnih v skupině, v protivnost slučajnim osobnim aktivnostjam individua». Obyčaj jest varijativny konceptj zdravogo smysla, ktory služil matricej za razvitije utočněnogo i tehničnogo antropologičeskogo koncepta [[Kultura|kultury]].<ref>{{Cite web | title = Custom | url = https://brocku.ca/MeadProject/Sapir/Sapir_1931_c.html | publisher = Encyclopaedia of the Social Sciences}}</ref> Dok tradicija odnosi se na dlugo ukorenjeny obyčaj ili praktiku prědavanu prěz pokolenija s kulturnim ili simboličnim značenijem, obyčaj jest praktika ili povedenje sčitano tradicijnim ili običajnim v konkretnuj obščiny. Navyka, v razlicy od nih, je regularna ili obična praktika ili aktivnostj, često izvršavana nesvidomno. Koncepty sut svyazane, ale različne: * '''Tradicija''' — dlugo ukorenjeny obyčaj, prědavan prěz pokolenija, so simboličnim ili kulturnim značenijem * '''Obyčaj''' — praktika ili povedenje sčitano običajnim v konkretnuj skupině * '''Navyka''' — regularna aktivnostj, često izvršavana nesvidomno, bez socialnogo priuročenija == Historija izslědovanija == === Davnost === Izslědovanije obyčajev i tradicij ima drevnje korěnje. Ješče v 4. věku prěd n. e. {{-|[[Aristotle|{{-|Aristotelj}}]]|[[Aristotle|Аристотељ]]}} v svojej «Politiky» analizovał socialne normy i obyčaji raznih narodov, pokazujučy kako one vlivajut na organizaciju družstva. Srědnjevěkovy persijsky učeny {{-|[[Abu Rayhan Biruni|{{-|Abu Rejhan Biruni}}]]|[[Abu Rayhan Biruni|Абу Рейхан Бирунија]]}} pisal o narodah, obyčajah i religijah Indijskogo subkontinenta, koristanjem metodov nabljudenija bliskih k sučasnoj etnografiji, prědstavjajučy svoji nahodky s objektivnostju i neutralnostju, sravnivajučy ih medžukulturno.<ref>{{Cite book | last = Ahmed | first = Akbar S. | year = 1984 | title = Al-Beruni: The First Anthropologist | journal = RAIN | volume = 60 | pages = 9–10}}</ref> === Prosvěščenije i načaly antropologiji === [[Fajl:Edward_Burnett_Tylor.png|thumb|200px|{{-|[[Edward Tylor|{{-|Edvard Tajlor}}]]|[[Edward Tylor|Едвард Тајлор]]}} — zaroditelj naučnoj antropologiji i teorije kultury.]] Mnoge učene sčitajut sučasnu [[Antropologija|antropologiju]] produktom [[Prosvěščenije|Věka Prosvěščenija]] (1715–1789), kogda Evropejcy počali sistematizirovano izslědovati čověčesko povedenje. V tutom časy tradiciji jurisprudenciji, historiji, filologiji i sociologiji razvily se v nauke bližše k sučasnim disciplinam. Anglojsky antropolog {{-|[[Edward Tylor|{{-|Edvard Tajlor}}]]|[[Edward Tylor|Едвард Тајлор]]}} v svojej rabotě «Primitive Culture» (1871) dal jedno iz pervyh formalnih oprědělenjij kultury: «Kultura ili civilizacija, vzjata v svojom širokom etnografičnom smysly, jest komplexna celostnostj, ktora vklučaje znanje, věrovanije, umětnost, moral, pravo, obyčaj i vsje ine sposobnosty i navyky priobrětene čověkom kako členom družstva».<ref>{{Cite book | last = Tylor | first = Edward B. | year = 1871 | title = Primitive Culture | publisher = John Murray}}</ref> === 20. věk: od evolucije do relativizma === [[Fajl:FranzBoas.jpg|thumb|200px|{{-|[[Franz Boas|{{-|Franc Boas}}]]|[[Franz Boas|Франц Боас]]}} — zaroditelj kulturnogo relativizma v antropologiji.]] Amerikansky antropolog {{-|[[Franz Boas|{{-|Franz Boas}}]]|[[Franz Boas|Франц Боас]]}} (1858–1942) osnoval akademičnu antropologiju v Sjednenyh Štatah v opoziciji k evolucijnoj perspektivy. Jego podhod byl empiričny, skeptičny k prěopščenijem. On argumentoval čto světj byl pln različnih kultur, a ne obščestv čija evolucija mogla byti izměrena stepenom «civilizacije». On věroval čto každa kultura mora byti izslědovana v svojej specifičnosty.<ref>{{Cite book | last = Boas | first = Franz | year = 1940 | title = Race, Language and Culture | publisher = Macmillan}}</ref> V 1970-yh i 1980-yh letah, {{-|[[Edward Shils|{{-|Edvard Šils}}]]|[[Edward Shils|Едвард Шилс]]}} razslědoval konceptj tradiciji v detalji. S tutogo vrěmeny, širok spektr socialnih učenyh kritikovał tradicijne ideje o tradiciji. == Typy obyčajev == === Semejne i žitejske tradiciji === [[Fajl:Wedding_ceremony.jpg|thumb|250px|Svatdbena ceremonija — jedin iz najvažnějšyh semejnih obyčajev po vsem světě.]] Semejne i žitejske tradiciji sut svyazane s ciklom čověčeskogo žizni. One podrazděljajut se na: ==== Rodilne tradiciji ==== Rodilne tradiciji odnosi se na obredy svyazane s roždenjem novogo člověka. Rodilne obredy stremily se zaštititi novorodženo ot neprijatnih sil i zaručiti blagosostojanje otroka v žizni. Sdělalo se ritualno omyvanije novorodženogo; zdravje otroka bylo zagovorjeno raznimi priěmy. V slovjanskoj tradiciji malo děte było omyvano v vodě s dodanjem solji, meda ili herbov, a potom zavinuto v novye plátny. ==== Svatdbene tradiciji ==== Svatdba jest složny ritual, sostojaščij iz obradovyh dějstvij i obredne poeziji, izražajučy ekonomičeske, religiozno-magičeske i poetičeske pogledy družstva. Pervye svědočanija o bračnih obyčajah drevnih Slovjanov odnosi se k 6–9. věkam. Svatdba děli se na tri etapy: * '''Prědsvatdebny''' — svatovajenije, osmotry, dogovor, děvičnik * '''Svatdebny''' — glavna ceremonija, obredy prěhoda * '''Posvatdebny''' — obredy završenija i vhoda v novy status V slovjanskoj tradiciji eksistovalo strogo sohranjenje porjadka supružstva — mladeša dočka ne mogła vyhoditi zamužj prěd stareju. U drevnih Slovjanov byl znan obred umykanija nevesty («похищение»), ale toje sdělalo se kako pravilo po soglasu storon.<ref>{{Cite web | title = Свадебные обычаи славян | url = https://culture.wikireading.ru/22370 | publisher = Slovjanskaja enciklopedija}}</ref> ==== Pohronbne tradiciji ==== Pohronbne tradiciji odnosi se na obredy svyazane so smertju člověka. Provody člověka v inačij světj bili počitane ne manje čem jego roždenije. Slovjane věrovaly čto pokojnik, prěhodjaščy v světj mertvyh, otvirajet dverj v zagrobnij světj, odkuda mogut priti zlě duhy. Tomu pohronbne slovjanske obredy byli napravleny na zaštitu živyh: ženy pokryvaly golovu platem, nadjevaly pojasy-oberegy; v mogily kłady věšči ktore mogli prěj diti pokojnomu na onomy světě. U drevnih Slovjanov existovaly dve osnovne formy pohronjenja: telo pokojnika bylo spaljano ili polaženo v zemlju. Nad spaljenimi ostatkami sut byti zidany ''domoviny'' — male modely doma. V někotoryh plemenah spaleni pepel sut byti zbiran v posebnu posudinu ktora je byla postavlena na stolbu na granici usadby ili rodovoj teritoriji.<ref>{{Cite web | title = Языческие обряды восточных славян | url = https://mednolit.com/yazycheskie-obryady-prazdnestva-vostochnyh-slavyan | publisher = Mednolit}}</ref> === Kalěndarne i prazdnične tradiciji === [[Fajl:Maslenitsa.jpg|thumb|250px|[[Maslenica]] — drevnja slovjanska tradicija prěhodjenija iz zimy v proleče.]] Kalěndarne tradiciji sut svyazane s godišnjim ciklom prirody i zemlědělija. Sutnastj kalěndarnih svetokov — vlivanije na prirodu s pomočju obredov i ritualov, napravljenih na zaručenje blagosostanija. Daty provedenja godovyh svetokov bylo oprědělano na osnovy sončevogo kalěndara. Meždu najznamenitějšymi slovjanskimi kalěndarnimi tradicijami: * [[Kolěda]] — zimovy svetok sohranjeny iz prědkristjanskih vrěmen; novoje solnco rodivše se v denj zimnogo solncestojanja 22 decembra * [[Maslenica]] — prěd-postnoj tyjden prěd [[Veljky post|Veljkim postom]]; provody zimy i dočekanje proleča * [[Kupalo]] — letni svetok solnca i plodovitosty; svetok lětnogo solncestojanja * [[Žatva]] — obredy pri začely i koncy žatvy; svetki plodovitosty zemlje Kako i u věčiny narodov, u Slovjanov kalěndarne obyčaji, obredy i svetki sut svyazane s zemledělskimi ciklami. Slovjane poklanjaly se bogam svyazanim s silami prirody; obredy bili napravleny na vyzov osadkov, posěv i zbirku žita.<ref>{{Cite web | title = Древнерусские традиции, обычаи, обряды | url = https://spravochnick.ru/istoriya_rossii/kultura_rusi_domongolskogo_perioda/drevnerusskie_tradicii_obychai_obryady/ | publisher = Spravocnik}}</ref> === Religiozne tradiciji === Religiozne tradiciji sut jeden od najstarěšyh i najvažnějšyh tipov obyčajev. Religiozny obred jest «vnějšne izražanje věrovanij člověka»; sčitaje se čto obredy služat kako posredstvo meždu čověkom i božestvenim. Primery religioznih tradicij: * [[Kašrut]] — jevrejske prehrambene zaprěti * [[Halal]] — islamske prehrambene zaprěti i ritualno zakolenje * [[Post]] — ritual vozderjanja ot jedy, prisutny v mnogo religijah * [[Poklon]] — ritual počitanja božestva * [[Krštenje]] — kristijanski ritual vstuplenija v věru * [[Hadž]] — islamsko hodočešće v [[Meka|Meku]] === Nacionalne i državne tradiciji === Nacionalne tradiciji igrajut klučnu rolju v formirovaniju i hranjenju nacionalnoj identičnosty. One vklučajut: * Nacionalne svetki pamjatne daty * Državne ceremoniji i parady * Nacionalne simboly (zastave, himny, gerby) * Tradicijnu nacionalnu odeždu i kuhinju Britansky historik {{-|[[Eric Hobsbawm|{{-|Erik Hobsbaum}}]]|[[Eric Hobsbawm|Ерик Хобсбом]]}} zajedno s {{-|[[Terence Ranger|{{-|Terence Randžer'om}}]]|[[Terence Ranger|Теренсом Рейнджером]]}} izslědoval fenomen «izobretenyh tradicij» v svojej knizě «The Invention of Tradition» (1983). {{-|[[Eric Hobsbawm|{{-|Hobsbawm}}]]|[[Eric Hobsbawm|Хобсбом]]}} argumentuje čto mnoge «tradiciji» ktore «sut se pojavljajut ili tvrde byti starymi, sut često dosta novog porekla i někogda namerno izobretenymi».<ref>{{Cite book | last = Hobsbawm | first = Eric | last2 = Ranger | first2 = Terence | year = 1983 | title = The Invention of Tradition | publisher = Cambridge University Press | isbn = 978-0-521-43773-8}}</ref> == Tradiciji i kultura == Po oprědělenju antropologa {{-|[[Edward Tylor|{{-|Edvarda Tylor'a}}]]|[[Edward Tylor| Едварда Тајлора]]}}, kultura jest «komplexna celostnostj ktora vklučaje znanje, věrovanije, umětnost, moral, pravo, obyčaj i vsje ine sposobnosty i navyky priobrětene čověkom kako členom družstva». Tradicija jest jedin od klučnih konceptov v antropologiji; može se skazati čto antropologija jest izslědovanije «tradiciji v tradicijnih družstvah». Tradiciji ne sut statične — one razvivajut se so vrěmenom pod vlivanijem raznih faktorov: * '''Kulturna zamjena''' — prěnos idej, praktik i vrědnostej meždu kulturami može změniti tradiciji * '''Tehnologičny razvitok''' — nove tehnologiji menjajut uspostavljene tradiciji (primerno, avtomobil prěměnil tradiciji posěštenija i organizacije slobodnogo vrěmeny) * '''Globalizacija''' — zbliženije kultur vodilo k sjedinjenju i adaptaciji tradicij * '''Političeske změny''' — revoluciji i prěobrazovanija družstva někogda namerno menjali tradiciji == Tradiciji v biologiji == Konceptj tradiciji byl takože priměnjen v biologiji k neljuskim životinjam. Tradicija jest oprědělena v biologiji kako «povedenska praktika ktora jest relativno dolgolětna, razděljana meždu dvoma ili věčinom članami skupiny i zavisit čestj od socialno pomagajućego učenija za svojě generovanie v novih praktikantah».<ref>{{Cite book | last = Fragaszy | first = Dorothy | last2 = Perry | first2 = Susan | year = 2003 | title = The Biology of Traditions | publisher = Cambridge University Press}}</ref> Povedenske tradiciji sut byti observovane v skupinah ryb, ptyc i mlěkopitajučih. Skupiny orangutanov i šimpanzov, v osobenosty, mogut prědstavljati veliko čislo povedenskyh tradicij; v šimpanzov byl observovan prěnos tradicijskogo povedenja iz jednoj skupiny v drugu. == Tradiciji v nauki == [[Fajl:Karl_Popper.jpg|thumb|200px|{{-|[[Karl Popper|{{-|Karl Popper}}]]|[[Karl Popper|Карл Попер]]}} — filozof nauki, predloživy «racionalnu teoriju tradiciji».]] Učeny {{-|[[Karl Popper]]|[[Karl Popper|Карл Попер]]}} v 1948 roku predložil čto dolžna byti «racionalna teorija tradiciji» priměnjana k nauki, ktora bila fundamentalno sociologičeska. Za {{-|[[Karl Popper|{{-|Popper'a}}]]|[[Karl Popper| Карла Попера]]}}, každy učeny ktory vstupaje v oprědělenu liniju izslědovanij nasědujet tradiciju učenyh prěd njim. Za {{-|[[Thomas Kuhn|{{-|Thomas Kuhn'a}}]]|[[Thomas Kuhn|Томаса Куна]]}}, smysljeny takvoj kritičnoj nasědiny tradiciji jest historičesky toje čto razděljaje lěpšyh učenyh ktori menjajut svoji oblasty — obohraćenije tradiciji.<ref>{{Cite book | last = Kuhn | first = Thomas | year = 1977 | title = The Essential Tension | publisher = University of Chicago Press}}</ref> == Izobretene tradiciji == Izobretene tradiciji sut kulturne praktiki ktore sut prědstavljene ili percipirane kako tradicijne, pohodjaće iz drevnogo prošlosti, ale ktore sut relativno nedavne i někogda namerno izobretenymi historičeskimi aktorami. {{-|[[Eric Hobsbawm|{{-|Erik Hobsbaum}}]]|[[Eric Hobsbawm|Хобсбом]]}} argumentuje čto izobretene tradiciji služat trim glavnim celjam: one sosredotačavajut socialnu koheziju, legitimizujut instituciji i struktury vladaviny, i konsolidujut sistemy vrědnostej i věrovanj.<ref>{{Cite book | last = Hobsbawm | first = Eric | last2 = Ranger | first2 = Terence | year = 1983 | title = The Invention of Tradition | publisher = Cambridge University Press | isbn = 978-0-521-43773-8}}</ref> Konceptj byl priměnjen k kulturnim fenomenom kako neo-druidizm v Britaniji, neopaganizm v celomy, tartanry v [[Škotija|Škotiji]], tradiciji glavnih religij i někotoryh japonskih borilačkih iskustv. == Slovjanske tradiciji i obyčaji == === Svatdbene slovjanske tradiciji === Slovjanske svatdbene tradiciji imajut korěnje v prědkristjanskih vrěmenah. U Rusov svatdba kako sistema obredov zakrepljaučih brak složila se okolo 15. věka. V svatdbenoj ceremoniji sjedinjujut se jezyčne, folklorno-poetične, ritualne, muzikalne i ine plany. Dva osnovna typa slovjanskogo svadebnogo obreda: * '''Svatdba-vesela''' — prazdničny harakter, pěsny, tancy * '''Svatdba-pohony''' (tradicija Ruskogo Sěvera) — pečalny harakter obradov, plači žen, obredy prěhoda nevesty v novy status Važna čestj svadebnogo obreda — pripravljenje svadebnogo hleba ([[karavaj]]a). Tradicija ima korěnje v Bizantiji i [[Egipt|Egiptě]]. Vsi prědsvadebne i svadebne obredy sut byti pratjeny stihami, pěsnjami, zagovorami i šutkami. Svadebno zastolije bylo pratjeno prednošenijem darov i veseljemi pěsnjami i tancami. === Kalěndarne slovjanske tradiciji === Slovjanske kalěndarne tradiciji sut tesno svyazane s zemlědělskim ciklom i kultusom prirody. Narodni kalěndar Slovjanov («měsaceslov») obhvatyval vsego godinu, gde byli opisane svetok, budny, tradiciji, obyčaji, pověrja i obredy. V narodnom kalěndarě prěplitajut se kristijanske i jezyčne svetki, ktore ežegodno prězivajut Slovjani. One sohranjajut tradiciji drevnih kultov i obredy počitanija predkov. === Pohronbne slovjanske tradiciji === Slovjane sčitaly čto smertj člověka jest prěhod v inačij světj, a ne prosto konecj žizni. Duša pokojnika dolžna bila byti veselena i ugažena. Šumom i krikom otgonjaly smertj ot živyh. Posle pohronjenja sut byti ustrojeny ''trizny'' — voinskie konne sostjazanija v čestj umerlego, a potom pominalne piry. == Iztočniky == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> == Gledite takože == * [[Kultura]] * [[Folklor]] * [[Antropologija]] * [[Obred]] * [[Svetok]] * [[Religija]] * [[Maslenica]] * [[Kolěda]] [[Kategorija:Kultura]] [[Kategorija:Sociologija]] [[Kategorija:Antropologija]] {{INTERWIKI|Q251777}} mmdeah1yn1vwbafiyi9025e0tx3mg9s 0 1626 28743 13472 2026-07-15T11:08:42Z LiMr 20 +kategorija 28743 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka grad | name = Rim | native_name = {{Jezyky|it|Roma}} | image_flag = Flag of Rome.svg | flag_alt = | image_seal = | seal_alt = | image_shield = Roma-Stemma-2.svg | shield_alt = | coordinates = | subdivision_name1 =[[Italija]] | subdivision_type2 = | subdivision_name2 = | subdivision_type3 = | subdivision_name3 = | established_date = | area = 1287.36 | area_footnotes = | population = 2748109 | population_as_of = 2023 | population_footnotes = | timezone = | utc_offset = +1 | timezone_DST = | utc_offset_DST = +2 }} '''Rim''' ({{Jezyky|it|Roma}}) jest glavny i največši grad [[Italija|Italije]]. On nahodi se na rekě Tibr, v njem živut 2.7 milionov ljudij. Rim nazyvajut ''Věčnym gradom''. Na teritoriji grada nahodet se mala država [[Vatikan]] i [[Maltecky Red]]. Rim je osnovany v 753 godu do n.e. i jest jedin iz najstarějših gradov [[Evropa|Evropy]]. == Historija == Suglasno davnorimskomu mitu, grad je osnovany [[Romul]]om, ktory ubil svojego brata [[Rem]]a i stal prvym kraljem Rima. Poslě upada Rimskogo kraljesvstva on stal [[Rimska republika|republikoju]]. Nova Rimska republika mnogo vojevala i zahvatyvala okolične zemje. V 390 godu do n.e. grad na kratky čas byl zavojevany gallami. V III-II věkah do n.e. Rim vojeval protiv [[Kartagen]]a. Rimska armija zahvatila i razrušila Kartagen. V epohu [[Julij Cezar|Julia Cezara]] grad stal značno rasti. Naslědnikom Cesara stal [[Oktavian Avgust]]. Avgust "prijel grad iz cegly, a ostavil jego mramornym". Pri njem nasělenje dosegnulo 1 miliona, i to byl prvy taky slučaj v světu. Veče pozdni imperatori dodali v Davnom Rimu nove pametniky, hramy i truimfalne arky. S upadom Rimskoj imperije grad takože utratil svoje značenje i prihodil v upad. Papa Grigorij I provedl reformy za rimjan. Grad upravjal se papoju rimskym i skoro stal glavnym gradom [[Papska oblast|Papskoj oblasti]], ktora egzistovala do XIX věka. V 1870 godu armija Garibaldi vošedla v Rim, grad stal glavnym gradom novoj italjanskoj državy. == Zemjepis == Rim stoji na sedmi holmah * Palatin * Aventin * Kapitolij * Kvirinal * Viminal * Eskvilin * Kelian [[Kategorija:Rim| ]] [[Kategorija:Grady v Italiji]] [[Kategorija:Glavne grady v Evropě]] {{INTERWIKI|Q220}} 6fzjqfowxh6eb91bldujfuxh9y7yr70 0 1925 28744 16516 2026-07-15T11:09:20Z LiMr 20 +kategorija 28744 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka država | common_name = Vatikan | native_name = {{Jezyky|la|Vaticano|it|Vaticano}} | conventional_long_name = Grad-država Vatikan <br> {{Jezyky|la|Status Civitatis Vaticanae|it|Stato della Città del Vaticano}} | image_flag = Flag of the Vatican City.svg | image_coat = Coat of arms of the Vatican City.svg | national_anthem = [[Pontifikalny himn]] | official_languages = * [[Italijansky jezyk|italijansky]] * [[Latinsky jezyk|latinsky]] | government_type = unitarna hristijanska absolutna [[monarhija]] | area_km2 = 0.49 | area_rank = 194 | population_estimate = 825 | population_estimate_year = 2019<ref name="population">{{Cite web |url=https://www.vaticanstate.va/it/stato-governo/note-generali/popolazione.html |title=Population |publisher=Vatican City State |date=2019-02-01|access-date=2020-04-11|language=it}}</ref> | population_estimate_rank = 240 | currency = [[evro]] | currency_code = EUR | time_zone = [[Central European Time|CET]] | utc_offset = +1 | utc_offset_DST = +2 | time_zone_DST = [[Central European Summer Time|CEST]] | iso3166code = VA | cctld = [[.va|.va]] | coordinates = {{Coord|41|54|09|N|12|27|09|E|type:city|display=title,inline}} }} '''Vatikan''', služebno '''Grad-država Vatikan''', jest nezaležny [[grad]]-država [[Svety prěstol|Svetogo prěstola]], anklav vnutri [[Rim]]a ([[Italija|Italije]]). Vatikan stal nezaležnym od Italije črěz Lateransky dogovor 1929 roka i jest ozemje pod «polnym vlastničstvom, izključiteljnoj vladoju i suverennymi vlastju i pravosudnostju» Svetogo prěstola, ktory sam jest suverenny entitet medžunarodnogo prava. Imaje površinu v 0.49 km² i naseljeńje v 825 ljudij, čto dělaje Vatikan najmenšeju državoju v světu ako po površině, tako i po naseljeńju. Vatikan jest unitarna hristijanska absolutna [[monarhija]]-teokratija, ktoroj upravjaje [[papa]], biskup Rima i glava [[Katoličska crkov|Katoličskoj cerkvi]]. Najvysši državne činovniki Vatikana sut čest katoličnogo duhovenstva ys ruznych držav. == Iztočniky == <references /> == Vněšnje linky == {{Prěvod|en|Vatican City|revizija=1019367218}} {{Državy v Evropě}} [[Kategorija:Državy v Evropě]] [[Kategorija:Rim]] [[Kategorija:Hristijanstvo]] {{INTERWIKI|Q237}} 6gfkfdgapjp9vgmenx8lg921isdgwze 0 1973 28680 27666 2026-07-14T14:16:36Z Ilja isv 10 28680 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka osoba | honorific_prefix = | name = Voljfgang Amadeus Mocart | honorific_suffix = | image =[[Fajl:Wolfgang-amadeus-mozart 1.jpg|center|300px|thumb|Posmrtny portret Mocarta, namaljevany v roku 1819]] | image_size = | alt = | caption = Mocart | native_name = <center>{{Jezyky|de|Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart}}</center> | native_name_lang = Johannes Chrysostomus Wolfgangus Theophilus Mozart | pronunciation = <!--add pronunciation in IPA with template {{IPA-xx|...|lang}}, and replace 'xx' with the ISO639-1 code for the language. If pronunciation is in English and this will be obvious, {{IPA-en|...|}} should be used.--> | birth_name = {{-|Johannes Chrysostomus Wolfgangus Theophilus Mozart}} | birth_date = {{Birth date|1756|01|27|df=yes}} | birth_place = [[Zalcburg]] | death_date = {{Death date and age|1791|12|05|1756|01|27|df=yes}} | death_place = [[Viena]], [[Avstrija]] | death_cause = neista | body_discovered = | resting_place = Viena | resting_place_coordinates = | monuments = | residence = | other_names = | citizenship = | education = | alma_mater = | occupation = kompozitor, instrumentalist, učitelj [[Muzika|muziky]] | years_active = 1761 – 1791 | employer = | organization = | agent = | known_for = | works = ''[[Svatba Figaro]]''<br /><span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">''[[Don Giovanni]]''<br />''[[Cosi fan tutte]]''</span><br />''[[Čarovna flejta]]''<br />[[Simfonija No. 41 "Jupiter" (Mocart)|Simfonija v do-mažoru ("Jupiter")]]<br />[[Fortepianny koncert No. 20 (Mocart)|Fortepianny koncert v re-minoru]]<br />[[Klarnetny koncert (Mocart)|Klarnetny koncert v la-mažoru]]<br />Serenada dlja 13 dyhovyh instrumentov<br /><span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">[[Requiem (Mozart)|Requiem]]</span> | notable_works = | style = klasična muzika | home_town = | salary = | net_worth = | height = <!-- {{height|m=}} --> | weight = <!-- {{convert|weight in kg|kg|lb}} --> | television = | title = | term = | predecessor = | successor = | party = | movement = | opponents = | boards = | criminal_charge = <!-- Criminality parameters should be supported with citations from reliable sources --> | criminal_penalty = | criminal_status = | spouse = Konstanc Mocart | partner = | children = 6 dětij; 4 syna i 2 dočery | parents = [[Leopold Mocart]] i Anna Marija Mocart | relatives = [[Marija Anna Mocart]] (sestra) | callsign = | awards = | website = <!-- {{URL|www.example.com}} --> | module = | module2 = | module3 = | module4 = | module5 = | module6 = | signature = [[Fajl:Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Signature.svg|200px]] | signature_size = | signature_alt = | footnotes = | box_width = }} '''Voljfgang Amadeus Mocart''' ({{Jezyky|de|Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart}}, 27. januara 1756 – 5. dekembra 1791) byl [[kompozitor]], instrumentalist i učitelj muziky. Jego polno [[krestno ime]] bylo ''{{-|Johannes Chrysostomus Wolfgangus Theophilus Mozart}}''. On jest rodil se v [[Zalcburg, Avstrija|Zalcburgu]] (vtogda svobodnom arhiepiskopskom gradu [[Sveta Rimska Imperija|Svetoj Rimskoj Imperije]], tutdenj [[Avstrija]]). On byl najmladšim synom Leopolda i Anny Marije Mocartov. Od velmi rannjego věka mlady Mocart jest pokazal veličajši muzičny talent. On jest putoval [[Evropa|Evropoju]] s roditeljami i staršeju sestroju "Nannerl" podčas několik lět. V tutyh putovanjah on jest igral prěd kraljevskimy rodinami i aristokratičnoju elitoju. Buduči junakom, Mocart jest rabotal v Parižu, Manhajmu i Mjunhenu, potom vozvratil se do Zalcburga. V Zalcburgu on jest rabotal pri dvoru arhiepiskopa Zalcburgskogo, on byl neposědlivy, priznaval sebe genijem, i mněval Zalcburg mnogo malym za jego dar. On jest se prěselil do [[Viena|Vieny]], gde byl dost uspěšnym. V Vieně on jest se ženil s [[Konstanc Weber|Konstancoju Weber]] ({{Jezyky|de|Constanze Weber}}) i oni iměli dvoh synov. On jest umrl v Vieně od bystroj ale neznanoj hvoroby. Mocart jest avtorom vyše než 800 muzikalnyh tvorb v najvysšej muzičnoj kakosti. Jego tvorby vključajut [[Opera|opery]] [[Svatba Figaro (Mocart)|''Svatba Figaro'']],<span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> ''[[Don Giovanni]]'', ''[[Cosi fan tutte|Così fan tutte]]''</span> i [[Čarovna flejta (Mozart)|Čarovna flejta]]; simfonije v mi-bemol mažoru, sol-minoru i [[Simfonija No. 41 "Jupiter" (Mocart)|do-mažoru]] ("Jupiter"). On jest napisal koncerty dlja [[Fortepiano|fortepiana]], [[Guslje|guslj]] i različnyh [[Dyhove instrumenty|dyhovyh instrumentov]]. On jest takože napisal mnogo kamernyh pies, crkovnoj muziky, tancev, pěsnej i <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">''[[Requiem (Mocart)|Requiem]]''</span>. Zajedno s [[Johan Sebastjan Bah|Bahom]] i [[Ljutvig van Bethoven|Bethovenom]], Mocarta razgledajut kako jednogo iz najveličajših kompozitorov, ktore sut někogda žili. ==Žitje== ===Rodina i rannje lěta=== Wolfgang Amadeus Mocart ("Wolfi" ili Wolferl") rodil se v Zalcburgu u Leopolda i Anny Marije Mocartov. Leopold byl skripačom v orkestru arhiepiskopa Zalcburgskogo. On byl avtorom veliko popularnogo priručnika igranja na gusljah za početkujučih. Mlady Mocart iměl veliky muzičny dar od velmi malogo věka. On jest igral na klavesinu i gusljah vo věku 5 lět. On takože pisal male muzične piesy. Mocartova sestra Marija Anna ("Nannerl") byla talentovanoju děvčinkoju. Obědvě děti sut dostali sebe muzično i akademično obrazovanje od svojego otca. Rodina koncertovala po Evropě několiko lět, oni sut igrali dlja šljahty i aristokratov. [[Fajl:Louis Carrogis dit Carmontelle - Portrait de Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (Salzbourg, 1756-Vienne, 1791) jouant à Paris avec son père Jean... - Google Art Project.jpg|left|thumb|Leopold, Wolfgang i Nannerl, okolo 1763 goda]] Mocart jest vystupoval v [[Mjunhen]]u, [[Praga|Pragě]], [[Pariž]]u, [[Haga|Hagě]] i [[London]]u. V Londonu on jest igral dlja [[Kralj Georg III (Velika Britanija)|kralja Georga {{-|III}}]]. On jest strěčal se s kompozitorom [[Johan Kristijan Bah|Johanom Kristijanom Bahom]] (1735–1782), jednim iz synov [[Johan Sebastjan Bah|Johana Sebastjana Baha]]. On jest siděl na koleně Johana Kristijana Baha i improvizoval fugu. I tut, vo věku 8 lět, on jest uslyšal izpolnjenje svojih prvyh dvoh simfonij. V koncu, Mocarty vozvratili se v Zalcburg. Ale v 1768, oni iznova se povezli v Vienu. Vo Vieně, vtogda uže dvanadcatilěty Mocart jest postavil na scenu svoju prvu operu, {{Lang|de|Bastien und Bastienne}}. On jest zabolěl i iměl [[Ospa|ospu]], izcělil se ale do konca života iměl slědy ospy na lice. Potom on privezl se do [[Italija|Italije]]. V Italiji on jest slušal muziku mnogyh [[Italijani|italijanskyh]] kompozitorov. Mocart jest uslyšal pjesu s nazvanjem ''Miserere'' avtora [[Gregorio Allegri]]. Tuta pjesa byla napisana dlja [[Papa|Papy]] i pěvala se [[hor]]om [[Vatikan]]a. Nikomu ne bylo dozvoljeno viděti zapisanu muziku, da by nikto ne mogl kopirovati i pěvati ju. Jednakože Mocart, ktory slyšal pjesu jedin raz, jest zapisal ju iz pameti. On se strěčal s [[Papa|Papoju]] i jemu bylo darovano [[rycarstvo]] (Orden Zlatoj Ostrogy). V lětu 1777, on jest jehal do putovanja so svojeju materi. V [[Mannhajm|Manhajmu]] on jest zaljubil se v Aloiziju Weber. Ona iměla 16 lět i učila se [[Pěvanje|pěvati]]. Mocart jest htěl ju vzeti do Italije, da by se stala znamenitoju, ale jego otec izměnil tute plany. Lětom 1778 Mocart i jego mati byli v [[Pariž]]u, kde jego mati jest umrla. Mocart jest napisal několiko malyh oper, kogda byl mlady, ale jego prvoju napravdu važnoju operoju byla ''[[Idomeneo]]''. Ju najprvo sut pokazali v Mjunhenu v lětu 1780. Jedin rok po tom on se privezl do Vieny. Na toj moment on byl rabotal kako i jego otec na Arhiepiskopa Zalcburgskogo. Kogda on jest prišedl do Zalcburga, on jest argumentoval s Arhiepiskopom. Za tuto Arhiepiskop jest jego izkydnul iz raboty. Mocart jest odvezl se do Vieny, kde on jest provědl ostatok svojego žitja. V lětu 1782, on se ženil s [[Konstanc Weber]] Ona byla jednou iz mladših sestr Aloizije (ktora uže iměla inogo muža). Oni iměli sedm dětij , ale pet iz njih sut umrli v dětinstvu. Otec Mocarta ne jest odobrjil jihno supružstvo. Konstanc jest byla ljubečeju ženoju, ale zato, že kako i Mocart, ona ne byla dobra v dbanju o grošah, oni često žili velmi bědno. V jednakom lětu, 1782, Mocart jest napisl drugu velmi uspěšnu operu: <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">''[[Die Entführung aus dem Serail]]'' </span> ("Pohyčenje iy seralja"). Jestvuje znaměnita povědka, svezana s prvoju ukazkoju tutoj opery. Ona jest o tom, že byl kratky razgovor medžu imperatorom Jozefom II i Mocartom. Po tom, ako imperator jest uviděl operu, on jest skazal Mocartu: "Tak prěmnogo not, dragy Mocarte, tak prěmnogo not", na čto Mocart jest odpoveděl “Samo toliko, koliko jest potrěbno, Vaše Veličenstvo.” [[Fajl:Mozart (unfinished) by Lange 1782.jpg|thumb|right|Nezakončeny portret Mocarta, 1782]] Mocart načal mnogo koncertov, kde on jest igral svoji fortepianove [[Koncert (muzična piesa)|koncerty]]. On jest pisal tute koncerty sam i dirigoval jih od klaviatury. Fortepianove koncerty Mocarta sut, kako prědže, velmi popularny i dnes. On jest napisal 27 fortepianovyh koncertov. Vsaky koncerty imaje nomer, da by znati, ktory jest ktory. Najvyše sut popularne koncerty c nomerami 20, 21, 23, 24 i 27. Mnoge iz tutyh koncertov sut jesdnimi iz najlěpših tvorb Mocarta. On jest se spoznal s kompozitorom Jozefom Hajdnom <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">([[Joseph Haydn]])</span>, i dva muža stali sut velikimi prijateljami. Oni često igrali sut zajedno v [[Strunny kvartet|strunnom kvartetu]]. Hajdn jest skazal jednogo dně Leopoldu Mocartu: "Prěd Bogom i kako čestny člověk ja govorim vam, že vaš syn jest veličajšim kompozitorom, ktorogo ja znaju lično ili po imeni. On imaje vkus, i čto vyše, gluboko znanje kompozicije." Mocart byl v jednakoj [[Masonska loža|Masonskoj lože]] s Hajdnom. Tuto označalo takože, že obadva byli v grupě s blizkymi interesami. Mocart jest [[Posvečenje|posvetil]] šest strunnyh kvartetov Hajdnu. Oni se nazyvajeut "Hajdnovymi" kvartetami. Sut dva znamenityh "Hajdnovyh" kvarteta, jedin iz njih se nazyvaje "Lov" i drugy se nazyvaje "Disonans." V svojih pozdejših lětah Mocart jest zarabotyval menje grošov, než prědže. [[Aristokrat]]y ne mogli jego poddrživati grošami, zato že togda byla vojna. Slušateli v Vieně takože za několik lět uže ne davali Mocartu mnogo poddržky. Zato on jest Často jezdil do [[Praga|Pragy]], kde auditorija jego ljubila. Jego opera ''[[Svatba Figaro]]'' byla velmi popularnoj. V 1787, on vprvo ukazal svoju operu <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">''[[Don Giovanni]]''.</span> === Hvoroba i smrt === Jestvuje několiko povědok o poslědnoj hvorobě i smrti Mocarta, i ne jest istota, čto se stalo. On jest rabotal nad operoju ''[[Čarovna flejta]]''. Ta jest jednoju iz jego najlěpših tvorb i dnes velmi popularnoju operoju. Ona jest napisana na [[Němečsky jezyk|němečskom jezyku]], a ne na [[Italijansky jezyk|italijanskom]], kako věčšina jego drugyh oper. V někotorom smyslu, ona jest podobna anglijskoj [[Pantomima|pantomimě]]. V toj čas, ako on na njej rabotal, neznakomec jest jego poprosil napisati [[rekviem]]. Neznakomec prosil jego pisati tajno. Mocartu bylo takože trěba napisati italijansku operu <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">''[[La Clemenza di Tito]]''</span>. Opera byla prvo ukazana v Pragě v septembru 1791 goda. Na konce měseca byla premjera ''Čarovnoj flejty''. Mocart za tym velmi natrudil se pri ''Rekviemu''. On uže možlivo postigl, že jest težko boljny, i takym sposobom rekvijem ([[zaupokojna služba]] za umrših) byl po nem samom. On jest umrl v [[Viena|Vieně]], ne zakončivši jego. Konstanc poprosila inogo kompozitora, ktory se imenoval [[Franc Havjer Sjusmajr]] ({{Lang|de|Franz Xaver Süssmayr}}), zakončiti rabotu. Mocart byl pogrbeny na grobišču Sv. Marksa v Vieně. Mocart iměl velmi prosty pogreb, ačekoli on byl velmi popularnym člověkom. Ne jest isto znajemo, na čto toj umrl, ale to byla někaka hvoroba. === Muzika Mocarta === Muzika Mocarta, kako i [[Hajdn]]a, odnose se k lěpšim iztvorjenjam tako nazyvajemoj [[Klasična muzika|klasičnoj muziky]]. V tutoj čas ako Mocart jest načal skladati muziku, blizil se ko koncu period [[Baročna muzika|Baroka]]. Izměnjali se vkusy v muzikě: forma, balans i elegantnost mněvali se vyše važnymi, než [[Kontrapunkt (muzika)|kontrapunkt]]. Forma odnose se k [[ritm]]u, [[Melodija|melodije]], [[Harmonija|harmonije]] (kako noty sut suměstime), [[Povtorjenje (muzika)|povtorjenju]] i [[Variacije (muzika)|variacije]]. Mocart byl prvym velikym kompozitorom, ktory jest pisal muziku dlja [[Fortepiano|fortepiana]], instrumenta, ktory toliko načal byti popularnym. On jest pisal bez malogo vse tipy muziky: [[Simfonija|simfonije]], [[Opera|opery]], solo [[Koncert (muzična forma)|koncerty]], [[Kamerna muzika|kamernu muziku]], osoblivo [[Strunny kvartet|strunne kvartety]] i strunne [[kvintet]]y, i takože fortepianove [[Sonata|sonaty]]. On jest pisal i [[Religija|religioznu]] muziku, kako sut [[Mša|mše]], skladal i popularnu muziku kako [[Tanec|tance]], [[Divertimento|divertimenti]] i [[Serenada|serenady]]. Ako Mocart byl jest mlady, simfonija obyčajno byla kratkoju prostoju pjesoju za zabavu. Mocart jest prětvaril simfoniju v staranno izrabotano dělo, ktoro trvaje až do poloviny časiny. Jego tri poslědne simfonije sut osoblivo prěkrasne majstrovske děla. Tute sut simfonije čisla 39, 40 i 41. Druge popularne simfonije sut čisla 25, 29, 35, 36 i 38. Jego koncerty, osoblivo fortepianove, sut dalěko vyše naprěd, než něčto napisano prěd tym. Jest mnogo zvukozapisov tutyh koncertov jerbo oni sut popularne. Hoti Mocart poněkogda postupoval napravdu po-dětinsku, on jest dobro razuměl ljudskoj harakter. Tuto jest isto v jego operah, kde on jest izkoristal mnogo tonkyh efektov, ktore opisyvajut personažev povědky. Něktore iz jego oper byli sut premnogo komplikovanymi na svoj čas i mnogy ljudi ne sut razuměli jim. Mocartovy opery sut medžu jego veličajšimi tvorbami. On jest velmi dobro razuměl haraktery ljudij i mogl pisati muziku, ktora nam govori vsečto o [[Osobnost|ličnosteh]] v operah. Vse opery imajut tekst, ktory se nazyvaje [[libretto]]. Obyčajno, kompozitor piše muziku, a někto iny piše tekst. [[Lorenсo da Ponte|Lorenco da Ponte]] ({{Lang|it|Lorenzo da Ponte}}) jest napisal slova i tekst dlja treh znamenityh oper na italijanskom, tute tri italijanske opery sut <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">''[[Don Giovanni]]'', ''[[Le Nozze di Figaro]]''</span> (''Svatba Figaro'') i <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">''[[Cosi fan tutte]]''</span>. Mocart byl velmi dobrym pri kombinovanju glasov. V tutyh operah imaje hitro pěvanje ansamblev i několik personažev zajedno. S pomoćju tutyh kombinovanyh glasov Mocart jest stvoril prěkrasnu [[Simetrija|simetriju]] i [[Harmonija|harmoniju]]. Pomimo svojih velikyh majstrovskyh děl, Mocart jest takože pisal mnogo pjes vo vyše popularnom stilju, vključno několika melodij, ktore vse znajut tutčas. Veliko znamenite pjesy vključajut jego serenadu <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">''[[Eine kleine Nachtmusik]] K525,''</span> ''Turecko rondo'' iz ''Fortepiannoj sonaty v la-mažoru <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">K331</span>'', vstupjenje ''Simfonije <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">No. 40</span> v sol-minoru <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">K550</span>'' i pěsnju pticelovitelja iz ''Čarovnoj flejty <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">K620.</span>'' Mocart jest koristal mnogo instrumentov dlja skladanja i vystupanja. V mladom věku on spoznamil se s fortepianami, ktore jest dělal Franc Jakob Špet ({{Lang|de|Franz Jakob Späth}}) od Regensburga. Pozdněje v Augsburgu Mocart byl vpečatljeny fortepianami od [[Johan Andreas Štajn|Štajna]] ({{Lang|de|Johann Andreas Stein}}). Po prěseljenju vo Vienu kompozitor jest kupil instrument [[Anton Walter|Waltera]]. Mocart takože iměl vlastne specialne guslje, ktore se nazyvali gusljami "Kloc ({{Lang|de|Klotz}})". Tute guslje stalo jestvijut dnes i nahodet se v muzeju {{Lang|de|Salzburg Mozarteum}}. == Katalog tvorb == V něktory čas poslě smrti Mocarta člověk imenom Kohel ({{Lang|de|Köchel}}) jest izučil cělu muziku Mocarta. Kohel jest staral se razpologati iztvory v [[Hronologija|hronologičnom]] redu i davati jim nomera. Nizše čisla sut tvorby, ktore Mocart jest napisal, kogda byl mlady, vysše čisla sut na starši raboty. Nomer pomagaje točno znati o kakom iztvoru ide, napriměr ''Simfonija v sol-minoru <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">K183</span>'' ne jest jednakoju pjesoju kako ''Simfonija v sol-minoru <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">K550'' (K označaje <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">Köchel, p</span>oněkogda to samo zapisyvaje se kako <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">"KV550"</span>, čto znači <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">"Köchel Verzeichnis"</span> ili "Katalog Kohela"). Najvysši nomer Kohela jest čislo 626, zaupokojna mša (''Rekviem Mocarta''). ==Svezane stranicy== * [[Amadeus (film)]] ==Linky i referencije== <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} * Groves Dictionary of Music and Musicians, edited by Stanley Sadie; 1980; ISBN 1-56159-174-2 * Listening To Western Music, written by Craig Wright; ISBN 978-0-495-11627-1 </div> ==Vnešnje linky== * ''Tuty članok sodrživaje prěklad iz članka {{-|«[[:simple:Wolfgang_Amadeus_Mozart|Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart]]»}} v Vikipediji na prostom anglijskom ([https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wolfgang_Amadeus_Mozart&action=history spis avtorov]; dozvoljeńje [[ccorg:licenses/by-sa/4.0/|{{-|CC BY-SA 4.0}}]]).'' {{DEFAULTSORT:Mocart, Voljfgang Amadeus}} [[Kategorija:Kompozitori]] [[Kategorija:Muzikanti]] [[Kategorija:Avstrijci]] {{INTERWIKI|Q254}} dyygv3wkopeterl3kis851pzrrj0ehd 0 2022 28733 17305 2026-07-15T08:03:07Z MwGamera 13 /* */ ЫоуТубе 28733 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:YouTube Logo 2017.svg|thumb|Logotip {{-|YouTube}} s 2017 goda.]] '''{{-|YouTube}}''' («jutub» abo «jutjub»<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fFbPB3Mvpo&feature=youtu.be&t=1m5s|title=YouTube Music: Открой для себя музыку. У нас есть всё.|author=YouTube Music|date=2018-07-02|accessdate=2018-07-08|archive-date=2019-08-01|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20190801101444/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fFbPB3Mvpo&feature=youtu.be&t=1m5s}}</ref>) — [[videohosting]], ktory zabezpečaje upotrěbiteljam uslugy shranjenja, dostavky i izstavjenja [[video]]. {{-|YouTube}} stal samym popularnym videohostingom i drugym sajtom v světu po kolikosti posětiteljev<ref>{{Cite web|title=The top 500 sites on the web|url=https://www.alexa.com/topsites|website=alexa.com|access-date=2020-01-31|archive-date=2018-07-15|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180715000009/https://www.alexa.com/topsites}}</ref>. Koristniki mogut dodavati, gleděti, ocěnjati, komentovati, dokladati v izbrano i děliti se video i kratkymi klipami, ale tako že ne dozvaljaje se narušati pravila i politiku upotrěbjenja servisom. V januaru 2012 goda vsakodenna kolikost pogledov video na sajtu smoglo dosegnuti 4 miliarda<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://www.mobi.ru/News/16508/YouTube_dostig_4_milliardov_ezhednevnyh_prosmotrov.htm |title=YouTube достиг 4 миллиардов ежедневных просмотров — Новости — mobi.ru |accessdate=2012-01-24 |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20120509155516/http://www.mobi.ru/News/16508/YouTube_dostig_4_milliardov_ezhednevnyh_prosmotrov.htm |archivedate=2012-05-09}}</ref>. Na sajtu jest [[film]]y, [[Videoklip|muzikalni klipy]], [[trejler]]y, [[novosti]], edukacijne video, a takože [[videoblog]]y, [[letsplaj]]e, [[slajd-šou]], video s humorom i ino. Na sajtu jest različni muzikalni čarty, ktori pokazyvajut prědpočitanja upotrěbiteljev v zavisnosti od geografičnogo města<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://charts.youtube.com/ru?hl=ru|title=Музыкальные хит-парады|publisher=charts.youtube.com|lang=ru|accessdate=2018-07-15|archive-date=2019-08-01|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20190801091831/https://charts.youtube.com/ru?hl=ru}}</ref>. ==Iztočniky== <references /> ==Vněšnje linky== {{Prěvod|ru|YouTube|revizija=131943430}} {{INTERWIKI|Q866}} [[Kategorija:Internet]] cnauwjn7ucbfpeas79xdlq5oj8ipmpz 0 2086 28713 17883 2026-07-15T06:09:16Z Ilja isv 10 28713 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka personaž | name = Šurik | series = | image = [[Fajl:Шурик_и_Лида_(2).jpg|300px|Mala arhitekturna forma "Šurik i Lida" v Krasnodaru.]] | caption = | first = «[[Operacija "Y" i druge prigody Šurika|Operacija {{-|„Ы“}} i druge prigody Šurika]]» (1965) | last = «[[Nepravdopodobne prigody Šurika]]» (2025) | creator = [[Jakov Kostjukovsky]]<br>[[Moris Slobodskoj]]<br>[[Leonid Gajdaj]] | portrayer = [[Aleksandr Demjanenko]]<br>[[Dmitrij Šarakois]]<br>[[Denis Dorohov]]<br>[[Demis Karibidis]]<br>[[Timur Batrutdinov]]<ref>{{Cite web|url-status=live|url=https://www.intermedia.ru/news/398631|title=Ольга Бузова, Джиган и Оксана Самойлова снимаются в «Невероятных приключениях Шурика»|access-date=2025-10-15|lang=ru|publisher=[[Intermedia]]|date=2025-10-01}}</ref> | occupation = student, folklorist, v poslědstvu inžener-iznahodnik | full_name = Aleksandr Sergejevič Timofejev | gender = muž | nickname = Šurik | spouse = Zinajida Mihajlovna Timofejeva <small>(«Ivan Vasiljevič měnjaje profesiju»)</small> | lbl21 = Romantičske partnerky | data21 = Lida <small>(«Operacija {{-|„Ы“}} i druge prigody Šurika»)</small><br>Nina <small>(«Kavkazska nevoljnica, или Новые приключения Šurika»)</small> | family = | nationality = }} '''Šurik''' (''{{Lang|ru|Алекса́ндр Серге́евич Тимофе́ев}}'') — personaž reda popularnyh sovětskyh komedij, student. V filmah [[Leonid Gajdaj|Leonida Gajdaja]] rolju ''Šurika'' igral aktor [[Aleksandr Demjanenko]]. == Filmy == ''Šurik'' v izpolnjenju Aleksandra Demjanenka — glavny personaž treh komedij Gajdaja i treh muzikalnyh televizijnyh pjes. V remejkah i parodijah, stvorjenyh uže po smrti aktora, tutoj personaž jest prisutny za izpolnjenjem inyh aktorov. '''Komedije Leonida Gajdaja''' * «[[Operacija "Y" i druge prigody Šurika|Operacija {{-|„Ы“}} i druge prigody Šurika]]» (1965). Tut ''Šurik'' dostavaje do prigod samogo raznogo svojstva. * «[[Kavkazska nevoljnica, ili Nove prigody Šurika]]» (1966). ''Šurik'' neumyslno stavaje se suučestnikom pohyčenja studentky-sportnicy ''[[Nina (Kavkazska nevoljnica)|Niny]]'', potom jej spasaje i s novymi drugami zakryvaje zlodějev za rešetku. * «[[Ivan Vasiljevič měnjaje profesiju]]» (1973). ''Šurik'', prědstavjeny uže kako inžener ''Aĺeksandr Sergejevič Timofejev'', iznahodi [[Mašina časa|mašinu časa]], s pomočju ktoroj otvarjaje portal do {{-|XVI}} stoljetja v času vladanja [[Ivan IV Grozny|Ivana Groznogo]], jednako vslěd zaměšanja carj i očevidec eksperimenta upravitelj doma ''[[Ivan Vasiljevič Bunša]]'' na někaky čas měnajut se městami i ostavajut ne v svojem času. '''Muzikalne televizijne filmy''' * «[[Tuti nepravdopodobni muzikanti, ili nove snoviděnja Šurika]]» (1977). ''Šurik'' stvarjaje mašinu časa (sut izkoristane kadry iz filma «Ivan Vasiljevič…»), poslě izbuha ktoroj zaspaje, i v svojem snu prědstavaje moderatorom koncerta pesnij iz filmov Gajdaja. * «[[Stare pesnji o glavnom 2]]» (1997, kratko pojavjenje v rolju sebe) * «[[Stare pesnji o glavnom 3]]» (1998, čestično prodolženje sužeta filma «Ivan Vasiljevič…»). '''Remejk''' * «[[Kavkazska nevoljnica (remejk 2014)|Kavkazska nevoljnica!]]» (2014). [[Remejk]] originalnogo filma. Rolja ''Šurika'' (aktor [[Dmitrij Šarakois]]) jest podobna originalu, s razlikoju v tom, že on tut izobražen ne kako student ale kako žurnalist. '''Parodije''' * «[[SamoIronija sudby]]» (2022). Na koncu filma v kvartirě ''Nadje'' izčezaje stěna, za ktoroju stojet ''Šurik'' i ''Ivan Grozny'', a dalje slědujut mini scenky, parodujuče film «[[Ivan Vasiljevič měnjaje profesiju]]» (''Šurik'' — [[Denis Dorohov]]). * «[[Ivan Vasiljevič měnjaje vsečto]]» (2023). Parodija na «Ivan Vasiljevič měnjaje profesiju» (''Šurik'' — [[Demis Karibidis]]). * «[[Nediamantova ruka]]» (2024). V filmu jest pritomno anonsovanje parodije na film «Kavkazska nevoljnica». (''Šurik''  — [[Timur Batrutdinov]]). * «[[Nepravdopodobne prigody Šurika]]» (2025). Parodija na film «Kavkazska nevoljnica…». == Stvarjanje i črty personaža == V 1964 godu Gajdaj počel pracovati na komediji «Neserjozne povědky» po scenariju [[Morisa Slobodskogo]] i [[Jakova Kostjukovskogo]]. Sveznikom medžu trema kratkometražnymi novelami musel stati čudakovity personaž, izhodeči poběditeljem iz raznyh životnyh situacij<ref name = "Шумов"> Шумов, 2017</ref>. Suglasno prvonačelnomu scenariju personaž se imenoval Vladik Arjkov. Cenzori sut tutu ideju zabrakovali, mněvajuči, že zritelj razšifruje jego ime kako [[Vladlen]] (skračenje od [[Vladimir Iljič Lenin|Vladimir Lenin]]), i v narodu bude ekscentrična komedija občiti s vodžem světovogo proletariata. Gajdaj legko suglasil prěimenovati personaža: režiseru ne bylo principialjno važno samo ime, ale sufiks, pridavajuči jemu smenšajučy laskajučy odtěnok.<ref name = "Шумов"/> Prezime takože jest odpadlo za nepotrěbnostju. Jedino v poslědnom filmu (v osnovnoj česti) o prigodah ''Šurika'' prezime personažu svojsko «podaril» [[Mihail Bulgakov]]. Životopisatelj Gajdaja Evgenij Novicky nazyvaje prědhodnikom ''Šurika'' kapitana Arkadija Šmeljova — personaža rannogo filma Gajdaja «[[Trikratno vozkresnuvšy]]»: «…okuljary, inteligencija, legkověrnost, čudakovitost — vsečto je pri njem»<ref> Левченко, 2023. ''Майофис Мария Львовна.'' Поиски стиля. Три ранних фильма Леонида Гайдая в контексте кинематографа второй половины 1950‐х годов</ref>. Suglasno filmovědca Maksima Šumova, prototipom personaža byl [[Čarli Čaplin]], o čemž svědkujut paralelnosti medžu noveloju «Surabotnik» i filmom Čaplina 1917-go goda «[[Tiha ulica (film, 1917)|Tiha ulica]]»; Gajdaju od dětinstva naviděli se filmy s učestjem Čarli Čaplina, ktorogo on mněval vo mnogom svojim učiteljem <ref name = "Шумов"/>. Režiser i filmovy kritik [[Sergej Dobrotvorsky]] tvrdi, že glavny prototip ''Šurika'' — {{-|[[Harold Lloyd]]|[[Harold Lloyd|Harold Lojd]]}}, jedino v novelě «Obsesija» «Operacije Ы» personaž jest blizky k manerě {{-|[[Buster Keaton]]|[[Buster Keaton|Бастера Китона]]}}, ale ne mogl byti Čaplinym: suglasno Dobrotvorskogo, komedije Gajdaja — sut čisto sovětske i sut daleke od buržuaznogo komizma Čarli Čaplina.<ref>{{Cite journal|url=https://seance.ru/articles/gayday/|author=[[Добротворский Сергей Николаевич]]|title=И задача при нем…|year=2008|language=ru|publisher=[[Сеанс (журнал)|Сеанс]]|date=2008-01-30|issn=0136-0108|archive-date=2024-06-03|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240603144716/https://seance.ru/articles/gayday/}}</ref> Spisok kandidatov na rolju byl ogromny: [[Aleksanr Lenjkov]], [[Vitalij Solomin]], [[Evgenij Petrosjan]], [[Sergej Nikonenko]], [[Jevgenij Žarikov]], [[Vladimir Korenev]], [[Genadij Koroljkov]], [[Ivan Bortnik]], [[Valerij Nosik]], [[Vsevolod Abdulov]], [[Aleksej Ejboženko]], [[Boris Amarantov]], [[Aleksandr Zbrujev]], [[Oleg Vidov]], [[Andrej Mironov]] (toliko na uravnju prěgovorov). Ale ni jedin iz njih ne zadovoljal režisera, ktory lěpil harakter personaža iz svojego: [[Nesmělost|nesměly]], [[Skromnost|skromny]], nesručny, ne umějučy komunikovati s děvčinami, ale nekonečno laskavy, odzyvny i vsegda gotovy pomogti. Shodnost obraza personaža s ličnostju režisera priměčali jego blizke, vključno [[Ninu Grebeškovu]]. Gajdaj našel prigodnym izpolniteljem rolje mladogo leningradskogo aktora Demjanenka, v realnom životu takože nesmělogo i zatvorjenogo; zaradi rolje on jest suglasil izmeniti barvu vlasov.<ref name = "Шумов"/> Sam aktor, v 1998 godu v TV programu «SV-šou» jest primětil slědujuče:<ref>{{Cite AV media|url= https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpaiQSK6A4Y?si=HVt67GFSSSuPF-OL&t=340|title= СВ-шоу. Александр Демьяненко}}</ref> <blockquote> Musim rekti, že to bylo dosti neprijetno. V tamtoj čas ješče ne byli take udiviteljne barvy, kako tutčas. Zato mene sut kolorovali "blankitom". Vy znajete, tuto jest podobno směsu vapna ješče s něčim. Je to grozna procedura. Ja jesm byl togda brunetom, takym temnym. Moje vlasy (mene na cělu glavu to namazali) tym blankitom spalili, i, k črtovoj materi, cělu kožu na mojej bědnoj glavě. Tako že, tuto vpečatljenje ostalo.</blockquote> A vdova aktora, Ljudmila Akimovna, pozdněje vspominala:<ref name="kov">{{Cite news|author= Александрова А.| url= http://izvestia.kharkov.ua/on-line/18/1168707.html| title = «Заложник экрана»| archive-url=http://izvestia.kharkov.ua/on-line/18/1168707.html |archive-date= 2019-04-04}} // [[Харьковские известия]] 20 avgusta 2014 goda</ref> <blockquote> Jego sut barvili nemilosrdno, skaredno, do měhurkov na koži. Vtogda barvy byli grozne. Ješče bylo dobro, že Saša iměl guste vlasy, i bez obzira na vse eksperimenty on ne oblysěl.</blockquote> [[Fajl:Restoracio Kaŭkazia kaptitino 08.jpg|thumb|Manekeny v obrazah ''Šurika'' i ''Niny'' v [[jerevan]]skoj restavraciji «Kavkazska nevoljnica»]] V «Kavkazskoj nevoljnici» svez obraza ''Šurika'' s harakterom Gajdaja jest vidna ješče vyše. Osoblivo jego uhadžanja za ''Ninoju'' — «dojemne i vo mnogom nesručne». Ne jest slučajno i sovpadenje imen personažky filma i ženy režisera<ref name = "Шумов"/>. Glavnym personažem filma Gajdaja 1982 goda «[[Sportloto-82]]» jest ''Kostja Lukov'', ktorogo igraje [[Algis Arlauskas]], podobnost ktorogo s Šurikom byla priměčena J. Krjučkovym v članku za gazetu «[[Trud (gazeta)|Trud]]», kde jest premo rěčeno: «''Začto Gajdaj jest nazval Šurika Kosteju, začto pozval novogo aktora — věd i stary odčinjal svoje obveznosti dobro?..''»<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://back-in-ussr.com/2016/09/kak-snimali-sportloto-82.html|title=Между тем критика встретила новое творение великого комедиографа достаточно прохладно… ссылаются на статью Ю. Крючкова в газете «Труд» от 7 сентября 1982 года|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20170607132931/http://back-in-ussr.com/2016/09/kak-snimali-sportloto-82.html|archive-date=2017-06-07|access-date=2017-06-11}}</ref>. == Vliv personaža na sudbu aktora == Po snimanju v prvyh filmah o ''Šuriku'' k Aleksandru Demjanenku tuta rolja jest silno «prilěpila se» — hoti v dalših filmah Aleksandr igral absolutno inyh personažev, pogledače sut pojmali jego jedino kako «studenta Šurika». Da by abstrahovati se od togo, Demjanenko ozvučival animacijne filmy ili dubloval inozemnyh aktorov v zagraničnyh filmah. V lětu 1997 Aleksandr Sergejevič snimal se v serialu «[[Jagodka (serial)|Jagodka]]», kde jego personaž uže ne povezyval se so Šurikom. Poslědno Demjanenko izigral rolju ''Šurika'' v novogodnyh muzikalnyh televizijnyh filmah kanala ORT «[[Stare pěsnje o glavnom-2]]» и «[[Stare pěsnje o glavnom-3]]», pro tom, že v osnovu poslědnogo byl položeny sužet «Ivana Vasiljeviča…». Tute filmy sut stali poslědnymi dlja aktora v životu, mimo finalnyh epizodod «Jagodky»<ref name='kov' />. == Bibliografija == * {{Cite book|author=Сергей Капков|chapter=Александр Демьяненко|title=Короли комедии|url=|editor=|location=М.|publisher=Алгоритм|year=2003|page=|pages=398|isbn=5926500958}} * {{Cite book|author=Лев Лайнер|chapter=«Не жди меня мама, хорошего сына…»|title=Весёлая троица — Вицин, Моргунов, Никулин|editor=|location=М.|publisher=Центрполиграф|year=2000|page=|pages=317|isbn=5227008736}} * {{Cite journal|author=Шумов Максим Владимирович|title=Образ Шурика в творчестве Л. Гайдая|publisher=Культурное пространство русского мира|publisher=[[ОмГУ]]|year=2017|issue=3|url=https://files.omsu.ru/science/nauchnye-izdaniya-omgu/nauchnaya-periodika/kprm/Edition/%D0%92%D1%8B%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%81%D0%BA%203%20-%202017%20(%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F%2014.05.18).pdf#page=90|page=88—98|issn=2782-2532|ref=Шумов|language=ru}} * {{Cite book|ref=[[Левченко]]|title=Человек с бриллиантовой рукой. К 100-летию Леонида Гайдая|editor=Ян Левченко|year=2023|language=ru|location=М.|publisher=Новое литературное обозрение|pages=304|isbn=978-5-4448-1925-8}} == Linky i referencije == {{Iztočniky}} == Vnješnje linky == {{Prěvod|ru|Шурик}} [[Kategorija:Fiktivni personaži]] [[Kategorija:Film]] [[Kategorija:Kinematografija]] {{INTERWIKI|Q48951924}} ts0nf9vdzs157h9l948qj7oqaob6zek 0 2342 28746 18986 2026-07-15T11:12:32Z LiMr 20 +kategorija 28746 wikitext text/x-wiki #REDIRECT [[Vatikan]] [[Kategorija:Државы в Европє]] [[Kategorija:Рим]] [[Kategorija:Христијанство]] gxr90kgj9xvhfqls7vg6el3aapmvrt9 0 2523 28714 19573 2026-07-15T06:11:28Z Мурад 97 27 /* Одкрытје */ 28714 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:British Museum Flood Tablet.jpg|thumb|]] '''Епика о Гилгамешу''' јест литературна творба разважајема давнєјшеј, ктора је дошла до днес.<ref>[https://yalebooks.yale.edu/2020/04/30/the-epic-of-gilgamesh/]</ref> Она разказываје о Краљу [[Uruk|Урука]]. Нєкоје из [[Šumeri|шумерских]] поэм эпики датујемы добоју Третјеј Династије Ур. Позднєјша Аккадска версија јест важны източник дља сучасных прєводов. А старєјши версији изкористаны же бы заполњати пропусты.<ref>{{Cite book |translator=Andrew R. George |year=2003 |orig-year=1999 |title=The Epic of Gilgamesh: The Babylonian Epic Poem and Other Texts in Akkadian and Sumerian |edition=reprinted |publisher=Penguin Books |location=London, England |isbn=0-14-044919-1 |url=https://archive.org/details/isbn_9780140449198 |url-access=registration |oclc=901129328 |ref={{Harvid|George|2003}} }}</ref> == Сjужет == Протагонисти эпики сут полубог, Краљ Урука, могучи војин, Гилгамеш и дикы чловек, створјены богыњеју Аруру из глины, Енкиду. Богыња створила Енкиду же бы он противдєјал Гилгамешу, когды обыватељи Урука сут обратили се к нјеј с жалобоју на својего Краља. == Одкрытје == В 1850-х годах Остин Хенри Лајард со својими помочниками Хормуздом Рассамом и Уиљамом Лофтусом бєху изјавили 15 000 одломков Ассиријского клинописа в библиотекє Ашурбанипала.<ref name=tangled>{{Cite journal |last=George |first=Andrew R. |date=2008 |title=Shattered tablets and tangled threads: Editing Gilgamesh, then and now |url=http://eprints.soas.ac.uk/id/eprint/7497 |journal=Aramazd. Armenian Journal of Near Eastern Studies |volume=3 |pages=7–30 |access-date=12 September 2018 |archive-date=8 December 2019 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20191208175153/https://eprints.soas.ac.uk/7497/ |url-status=live}}</ref> В году 1852 Рассам је проводил копанје во второј чести библиотекы. Потом он је прєдал табелы в Британскы Музеј.<ref name=Керам>{{книга|автор=Керам К. |заглавие=Боги, гробницы, ученые |ответственный=Пер. с нем. А. С. Варшавского; Послесл. и коммент. В. И. Гуляева |место=М. |издательство=Республика |год=1994 | страниц=351 |isbn=5-250-02261-8}}</ref> == Източникы == <references /> [[Kategorija:Книжевност]] [[Kategorija:Митологија]] {{INTERWIKI|Q8272}} gung6hcdxdk3lytirn5on3qku5c3a31 28715 28714 2026-07-15T06:12:58Z Мурад 97 27 28715 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:British Museum Flood Tablet.jpg|thumb|]] '''Епика о Гилгамешу''' јест литературна творба разважајема давнєјшеј, ктора је дошла до днес.<ref>[https://yalebooks.yale.edu/2020/04/30/the-epic-of-gilgamesh/]</ref> Она разказываје о Краљу [[Uruk|Урука]]. Нєкоје из [[Šumeri|шумерских]] поэм эпики датујемы добоју Третјеј Династије Ур. Позднєјша Аккадска версија јест важны източник дља сучасных прєводов. А старєјши версији изкористаны же бы заполњати пропусты.<ref>{{Cite book |translator=Andrew R. George |year=2003 |orig-year=1999 |title=The Epic of Gilgamesh: The Babylonian Epic Poem and Other Texts in Akkadian and Sumerian |edition=reprinted |publisher=Penguin Books |location=London, England |isbn=0-14-044919-1 |url=https://archive.org/details/isbn_9780140449198 |url-access=registration |oclc=901129328 |ref={{Harvid|George|2003}} }}</ref> == Сjужет == Протагонисти эпики сут полубог, Краљ Урука, могучи војин, Гилгамеш и дикы чловек, створјены богыњеју Аруру из глины, Енкиду. Богыња створила Енкиду же бы он противдєјал Гилгамешу, когды обыватељи Урука сут обратили се к нјеј с жалобоју на својего Краља. == Одкрытје == В 1850-х годах Остин Хенри Лајард со својими помочниками Хормуздом Рассамом и Уиљамом Лофтусом бєху изјавили 15 000 одломков Ассиријского клинописа в библиотекє Ашурбанипала.<ref name=tangled>{{Cite journal |last=George |first=Andrew R. |date=2008 |title=Shattered tablets and tangled threads: Editing Gilgamesh, then and now |url=http://eprints.soas.ac.uk/id/eprint/7497 |journal=Aramazd. Armenian Journal of Near Eastern Studies |volume=3 |pages=7–30 |access-date=12 September 2018 |archive-date=8 December 2019 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20191208175153/https://eprints.soas.ac.uk/7497/ |url-status=live}}</ref> В году 1852 Рассам је проводил копанје во второј чести библиотекы. Потом он је прєдал табелы в Британскы Музеј.<ref name=Керам>{{cite book|author=Керам К. |title=Боги, гробницы, ученые |publisher=Республика |year=1994 | pages=351 |isbn=5-250-02261-8}}</ref> == Източникы == <references /> [[Kategorija:Книжевност]] [[Kategorija:Митологија]] {{INTERWIKI|Q8272}} d6jst23zbcdqo1eg52wqsjhfftmas3p 0 2671 28694 28474 2026-07-14T16:22:07Z Мурад 97 27 /* Хисторија */ 28694 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Комикс''' ({{Jezyky|en|comic}} — смєшны) јест рысована повєдка. Он обсегаје литерарну и изобразителну умєтност.<ref name="understanding">{{Cite web |title=Скотт МакКлауд. «Суть Комикса» |url=http://understanding-comics.ru/ |access-date=2013-07-17 |archive-date=2013-07-20 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20130720140539/http://understanding-comics.ru/ |url-status=dead }}</ref> == Етимологија == Часом, на англијском језыке (и иних језыках) слова означајучи комикс из иных култур изкорыстајут се дља означенја комиксов из тых култур. Наприклад слово манга дља јапонскых комиков и ''{{-|bandes dessinées}}'' дља франко-белгијскых комиков.<ref>McKinney, 2011. стр. xiii</ref> На многых језыках свєта, наприклад на словјанскых (с изкљученјем србохрватского), нємечском ({{-|Comic}}) и тако даље слово комикс произтєка од англиского слова ''{{-|comic}}''. Слово стрип в србохрватском произтєка од англиского слова ''{{-|strip}}'' како в изразу ''{{-|comic strip}}'' (тип комиксов, популарны в {{-|XIX-XX}} столєтјах). == Хисторија == <gallery caption="Рани приклады комиксов" mode="packed" heights="200"> Manga Hokusai.jpg|[[Манга]], [[Катсушика Хокусај]] (XIX вєк)<!-- have to find the date for this example --> Toepffer Cryptogame 13.png|''Histoire de Monsieur Cryptogame'', Родолв Топффер (1830) Yellow Kid 1898-01-09.jpg|''Жолто Дєте'', Ричард Ф. Аутклод (1898) </gallery> Традиције комиксов в Европє, Америкє и [[Манга|Јапонији]] имали разни путе.<ref>[http://www.imageandnarrative.be/inarchive/narratology/chriscouch.htm The Publication and Formats of Comics, Graphic Novels, and Tankobon] by Chris Couch. Image Narrative, December 2000 (issn1780-678X), [https://web.archive.org/web/20131104223730/http://www.imageandnarrative.be/inarchive/narratology/chriscouch.htm archived].</ref> Европєјску традицију комиксов је почел Швејцарец Родолф Топффер ({{-|Rodolphe Töpffer}}) в року 1827. Првы комикс в Америке је был Жолто Дєте ({{-|The Yellow Kid}}) Ричарда Ф. Аутколта ({{-|Richard F. Outcault}}) опубликованы в 1890-х в газетє. Кромє того, Рудолф Диркс, имигровавши из Нємцији в США је пустил комикс Катзенджамерскы Дєти ({{-|The Katzenjammer Kids}}) под вливом Вилхелма Буша ({{-|Wilhelm Busch}}).<ref>{{cite web | url=https://www.thegermanprofessor.com/max-und-moritz/ | title=8 Things about Max und Moritz | date=30 March 2015 }}</ref><ref>{{cite web | url=https://www.dw.com/en/max-and-moritz-how-germanys-naughtiest-boys-rose-to-global-fame/a-18808584 | title=Max and Moritz: How Germany's naughtiest boys rose to fame – DW – 10/27/2015 | website=[[Deutsche Welle]] }}</ref><ref>{{cite web | url=https://www.outdooractive.com/en/story/harz/the-original-story-of-max-and-moritz/28754663/ | title=The original story of Max and Moritz }}</ref><ref>{{cite web | url=https://www.toonsmag.com/max-and-moritz/ | title=Max and Moritz: A Tale of Mischief and Influence - Toons Mag | date=8 October 2023 }}</ref><ref>Gabilliet, 2010. стр. xiv; Beerbohm, 2003; Sabin, 2005. стр. 186; Rowland, 1990. стр. 13.</ref> В Јапонији је была долга традиција сатиричного маљеванја до Другој Сусветној Војны. Слово манга ({{-|漫画}}) на јапонском језыку означаје комикс. То слово је было популаризовано в {{-|XIX}} столєтју извєстным маљарем жанра укијо-е [[Кацушика Хокусај|Хокусајем]].<ref>Petersen, 2010. стр. 41; Power, 2009. стр. 24; Gravett, 2004. стр. 9.</ref> Покромє, нєкторы теоретикы и хисторикы указывајут на приклады како изображенја в јамє Ласко во Францији,<ref>Gabilliet, 2010. стр. xiv; Barker, 1989. стр. 6; Groensteen, 2014; Grove, 2010. стр. 59; Beaty, 2012; Jobs, 2012. стр. 98.</ref> египтскы хиероглифы, Тројанску колону в Риму,<ref>Gabilliet, 2010. стр. xiv</ref> Нормаскы гобелен Бајо {{-|XI}} столєтја,<ref>Gabilliet, 2010. стр. xiv; Beaty, 2012. стр. 61; Grove, 2010. стр. 16, 21, 59.</ref> дрєвєны блок Прота (1370), ''умєтност смрти'' ({{-|Ars moriendi}}) и ксилографику, ''Судны Дењ'' Микеланджело, гравјуры Вилјама Хогарта ({{-|William Hogarth}}) {{-|XVIII}} столєтја<ref>Grove, 2010. стр. 79</ref> и тако даље,<ref>Gabilliet, 2010. стр. xiv</ref> ако на прєдтече комиксов. == Източникы == <references /> [[Kategorija:Комиксы|*]] {{INTERWIKI|Q1004}} frl6pkdu9ipndhb7tyev18u3hresnvl 28707 28694 2026-07-15T05:45:23Z Мурад 97 27 /* Хисторија */ 28707 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Комикс''' ({{Jezyky|en|comic}} — смєшны) јест рысована повєдка. Он обсегаје литерарну и изобразителну умєтност.<ref name="understanding">{{Cite web |title=Скотт МакКлауд. «Суть Комикса» |url=http://understanding-comics.ru/ |access-date=2013-07-17 |archive-date=2013-07-20 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20130720140539/http://understanding-comics.ru/ |url-status=dead }}</ref> == Етимологија == Часом, на англијском језыке (и иних језыках) слова означајучи комикс из иных култур изкорыстајут се дља означенја комиксов из тых култур. Наприклад слово манга дља јапонскых комиков и ''{{-|bandes dessinées}}'' дља франко-белгијскых комиков.<ref>McKinney, 2011. стр. xiii</ref> На многых језыках свєта, наприклад на словјанскых (с изкљученјем србохрватского), нємечском ({{-|Comic}}) и тако даље слово комикс произтєка од англиского слова ''{{-|comic}}''. Слово стрип в србохрватском произтєка од англиского слова ''{{-|strip}}'' како в изразу ''{{-|comic strip}}'' (тип комиксов, популарны в {{-|XIX-XX}} столєтјах). == Хисторија == <gallery caption="Рани приклады комиксов" mode="packed" heights="200"> Manga Hokusai.jpg|[[Манга]], [[Катсушика Хокусај]] (XIX вєк)<!-- have to find the date for this example --> Toepffer Cryptogame 13.png|''Histoire de Monsieur Cryptogame'', Родолв Топффер (1830) Yellow Kid 1898-01-09.jpg|''Жолто Дєте'', Ричард Ф. Аутклод (1898) </gallery> Традиције комиксов в Европє, Америкє и [[Манга|Јапонији]] имали разни путе.<ref>[http://www.imageandnarrative.be/inarchive/narratology/chriscouch.htm The Publication and Formats of Comics, Graphic Novels, and Tankobon] by Chris Couch. Image Narrative, December 2000 (issn1780-678X), [https://web.archive.org/web/20131104223730/http://www.imageandnarrative.be/inarchive/narratology/chriscouch.htm archived].</ref> Европєјску традицију комиксов је почел Швејцарец Родолф Топффер ({{-|Rodolphe Töpffer}}) в року 1827. Првы комикс в Америке је был Жолто Дєте ({{-|The Yellow Kid}}) Ричарда Ф. Аутколта ({{-|Richard F. Outcault}}) опубликованы в 1890-х в газетє. Кромє того, Рудолф Диркс, имигровавши из Нємцији в США је пустил комикс Катзенджамерскы Дєти ({{-|The Katzenjammer Kids}}) под вливом Вилхелма Буша ({{-|Wilhelm Busch}}).<ref>{{cite web | url=https://www.thegermanprofessor.com/max-und-moritz/ | title=8 Things about Max und Moritz | date=30 March 2015 }}</ref><ref>{{cite web | url=https://www.dw.com/en/max-and-moritz-how-germanys-naughtiest-boys-rose-to-global-fame/a-18808584 | title=Max and Moritz: How Germany's naughtiest boys rose to fame – DW – 10/27/2015 | website=[[Deutsche Welle]] }}</ref><ref>{{cite web | url=https://www.outdooractive.com/en/story/harz/the-original-story-of-max-and-moritz/28754663/ | title=The original story of Max and Moritz }}</ref><ref>{{cite web | url=https://www.toonsmag.com/max-and-moritz/ | title=Max and Moritz: A Tale of Mischief and Influence - Toons Mag | date=8 October 2023 }}</ref><ref>Gabilliet, 2010. стр. xiv; Beerbohm, 2003; Sabin, 2005. стр. 186; Rowland, 1990. стр. 13.</ref> В Јапонији је была долга традиција сатиричного маљеванја до Другој Сусветној Војны. Слово манга ({{-|漫画}}) на јапонском језыку означаје комикс. То слово је было популаризовано в {{-|XIX}} столєтју извєстным маљарем жанра укијо-е [[Кацушика Хокусај|Хокусајем]].<ref>Petersen, 2010. стр. 41; Power, 2009. стр. 24; Gravett, 2004. стр. 9.</ref> Покромє, нєкторы теоретикы и хисторикы указывајут на приклады како изображенја в јамє Ласко во Францији,<ref>Gabilliet, 2010. стр. xiv; Barker, 1989. стр. 6; Groensteen, 2014; Grove, 2010. стр. 59; Beaty, 2012; Jobs, 2012. стр. 98.</ref> египтскы хиероглифы, Тројанску колону в Риму,<ref>Gabilliet, 2010. стр. xiv</ref> Нормаскы гобелен Бајо {{-|XI}} столєтја,<ref>Gabilliet, 2010. стр. xiv; Beaty, 2012. стр. 61; Grove, 2010. стр. 16, 21, 59.</ref> дрєвєны блок Прота (1370), ''умєтност смрти'' ({{-|Ars moriendi}}) и ксилографику, ''Судны Дењ'' Микеланджело, гравјуры Вилјама Хогарта ({{-|William Hogarth}}) {{-|XVIII}} столєтја<ref>Grove, 2010. стр. 79</ref> и тако даље,<ref>Gabilliet, 2010. стр. xiv</ref> ако на прєдтече комиксов. Комиксовыј сериал Пригоды Тинтина ({{-|Les Aventures de Tintin}}) кторы је почел публиковати се в року 1929 в Белгији је играл значиму рољу в франкско-белгијској традицији комиксов.<ref>Theobald, 2004. стр. 82; Screech, 2005. стр. 48; McKinney, 2011. стр. 3.</ref> == Източникы == <references /> [[Kategorija:Комиксы|*]] {{INTERWIKI|Q1004}} ss0qmxo2y5vl4gs8t98i2cc24srpvmb 2 2830 28655 28654 2026-07-14T12:00:49Z Ilja isv 10 28655 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=July 2026}} {{-|''Under construction''}} {{Kartka carstvenna osoba | name = Napoleon Bonapart | image = [[Fajl:Jacques-Louis David - The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries - Google Art Project.jpg|thumb|center|''[[The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries]]'', 1812]] | alt = Portrait of Napoleon in his late thirties, in high-ranking white and dark blue military dress uniform. In the original image he stands amid rich 18th-century furniture laden with papers, and gazes at the viewer. 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[[File:Nihongo.svg|thumb|right|100px| 日本語 (Japonsky jezyk)]] '''Japonsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|ja|日本語 {{!}} にほんご}} | {{-|''Nihongo'' [nʲiho̞ŋːo̞]}}) <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> </span> == Referencije == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese language|}} [[Kategorija:Jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5287}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} frs936ht4e2s65awegn41wcfp0txgcg 28659 28655 2026-07-14T12:29:32Z Ilja isv 10 28659 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=July 2026}} {{-|''Under construction''}} {{Kartka carstvenna osoba | name = Napoleon Bonapart | image = [[Fajl:Jacques-Louis David - The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries - Google Art Project.jpg|thumb|center|''[[The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries]]'', 1812]] | alt = Portrait of Napoleon in his late thirties, in high-ranking white and dark blue military dress uniform. 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[[File:Nihongo.svg|thumb|right|100px| 日本語 (Japonsky jezyk)]] '''Japonsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|ja|日本語 {{!}} にほんご}} | {{-|''Nihongo'' [nʲiho̞ŋːo̞]}}) <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> </span> == Referencije == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese language|}} [[Kategorija:Jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5287}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} 429pysn8jk2enq7h8she5b5ifit09xg 28664 28659 2026-07-14T12:52:12Z Ilja isv 10 28664 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=July 2026}} {{-|''Under construction''}} {{Kartka carstvenna osoba | name = Napoleon Bonapart | image = [[Fajl:Jacques-Louis David - The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries - Google Art Project.jpg|thumb|center|''[[The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries]]'', 1812]] | alt = Portrait of Napoleon in his late thirties, in high-ranking white and dark blue military dress uniform. In the original image he stands amid rich 18th-century furniture laden with papers, and gazes at the viewer. His hair is Brutus style, cropped close but with a short fringe in front, and his right hand is tucked in his waistcoat. | caption = ''[[The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries]]'', 1812 | succession = [[Emperor of the French]] | reign = 18 May 1804 – {{nowrap|6 April 1814}} | reign_type = 1st reign | cor_type = | coronation = | predecessor = | successor = [[Louis XVIII]]{{efn|name=louis reign|As [[King of France]]}} | reign_type1 = [[Hundred Days|2nd reign]] | reign1 = {{nowrap|20 March 1815 ― 22&nbsp;June 1815}} | predecessor1 = | successor1 = Louis XVIII{{efn|name=louis reign|As [[King of France]]}} | module = {{Kartka činovnik | name = | embed = yes | office = [[First Consul of France|First Consul of the French Republic]] | term_start = 13 December 1799 | term_end = 18 May 1804 | office1 = [[French Consulate|Provisional Consul of the French Republic]] | term_start1 = 10 November 1799 | term_end1 = 12 December 1799 <!--{{Collapsed infobox section begin|Other offices held|titlestyle = border:1px dashed lightgrey}}--> | office2 = [[Protector of the Confederation of the Rhine]] | term_start2 = 12 July 1806 | term_end2 = 19 October 1813 | office3 = [[Kingdom of Italy (Napoleonic)|King of Italy]] | term_start3 = 17 March 1805 | term_end3 = 11 April 1814 | office4 = [[Act of Mediation|Mediator of the Swiss Confederation]] | term_start4 = 19 February 1803 | term_end4 = 19 October 1813 | office5 = [[Italian Republic (Napoleonic)|President of the Italian Republic]] | term_start5 = 26 January 1802 | term_end5 = 17 March 1805 <!--{{Collapsed infobox section end}}--> }} | birth_name = Napoleone di Buonaparte | birth_date = {{Birth date|1769|8|15|df=yes}} | birth_place = [[Ajaccio]], Corsica, France | death_date = {{Death date and age|1821|5|5|1769|8|15|df=yes}} | death_place = [[Longwood, Saint Helena]] | burial_date = 15 dekembra 1840 | burial_place = {{lang|fr|[[Les Invalides]]|italic=no}}, Paris, France | spouses = {{plainlist| * [[Joséphine de Beauharnais]]<br/> 9 March 1796 - 10 January 1810 (anulacija) * [[Marie Louise of Austria]]<br> 11 March 1810 - 1814 (razvod)}} | religion = | regnal_name = | issue = | issue_link = #Children | issue_pipe = vyše... | full_name = | house = | father = | mother = | signature = [[Fajl:Firma Napoleón Bonaparte.svg|center|200px]] }} === Související články === * [[Přívozská halda]] * [[Halda Hrabůvka]] * [[Halda Heřmanice]] Tuto jest peskovišče. [[File:Nihongo.svg|thumb|right|100px| 日本語 (Japonsky jezyk)]] '''Japonsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|ja|日本語 {{!}} にほんご}} | {{-|''Nihongo'' [nʲiho̞ŋːo̞]}}) <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> </span> == Referencije == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese language|}} [[Kategorija:Jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5287}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} 51jvcp6ln31pz73vw9hijru7sungztp 28668 28664 2026-07-14T13:11:01Z Ilja isv 10 28668 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=July 2026}} {{-|''Under construction''}} {{Kartka carstvenna osoba | name = Napoleon Bonapart | image = [[Fajl:Jacques-Louis David - The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries - Google Art Project.jpg|thumb|center|''[[The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries]]'', 1812]] | alt = Portrait of Napoleon in his late thirties, in high-ranking white and dark blue military dress uniform. In the original image he stands amid rich 18th-century furniture laden with papers, and gazes at the viewer. His hair is Brutus style, cropped close but with a short fringe in front, and his right hand is tucked in his waistcoat. | caption = ''[[The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries]]'', 1812 | succession = [[Emperor of the French]] | reign = 18 May 1804 – {{nowrap|6 April 1814}} | reign_type = 1st reign | cor_type = | coronation = | predecessor = | successor = [[Louis XVIII]]{{efn|name=louis reign|As [[King of France]]}} | reign_type1 = [[Hundred Days|2nd reign]] | reign1 = {{nowrap|20 March 1815 ― 22&nbsp;June 1815}} | predecessor1 = | successor1 = Louis XVIII{{efn|name=louis reign|As [[King of France]]}} | module = {{Kartka činovnik | name = | embed = yes | office = [[First Consul of France|First Consul of the French Republic]] | term_start = 13 December 1799 | term_end = 18 May 1804 | office1 = [[French Consulate|Provisional Consul of the French Republic]] | term_start1 = 10 November 1799 | term_end1 = 12 December 1799 <!--{{Collapsed infobox section begin|Other offices held|titlestyle = border:1px dashed lightgrey}}--> | office2 = [[Protector of the Confederation of the Rhine]] | term_start2 = 12 July 1806 | term_end2 = 19 October 1813 | office3 = [[Kingdom of Italy (Napoleonic)|King of Italy]] | term_start3 = 17 March 1805 | term_end3 = 11 April 1814 | office4 = [[Act of Mediation|Mediator of the Swiss Confederation]] | term_start4 = 19 February 1803 | term_end4 = 19 October 1813 | office5 = [[Italian Republic (Napoleonic)|President of the Italian Republic]] | term_start5 = 26 January 1802 | term_end5 = 17 March 1805 <!--{{Collapsed infobox section end}}--> }} | birth_name = Napoleone di Buonaparte | birth_date = {{Birth date|1769|8|15|df=yes}} | birth_place = [[Ajaccio]], Corsica, France | death_date = {{Death date and age|1821|5|5|1769|8|15|df=yes}} | death_place = [[Longwood, Saint Helena]] | burial_date = 15 dekembra 1840 | burial_place = {{lang|fr|[[Les Invalides]]|italic=no}}, Paris, France | spouses = {{plainlist| * [[Joséphine de Beauharnais]]<br/> 9 March 1796 - 10 January 1810 (anulacija) * [[Marie Louise of Austria]]<br> 11 March 1810 - 1814 (razvod)}} | religion = | regnal_name = | issue = | issue_link = #Children | issue_pipe = vyše... | full_name = | house = | father = | mother = | signature = [[Fajl:Firma Napoleón Bonaparte.svg|center|200px]] }} === Související články === * [[Přívozská halda]] * [[Halda Hrabůvka]] * [[Halda Heřmanice]] Tuto jest peskovišče. [[File:Nihongo.svg|thumb|right|100px| 日本語 (Japonsky jezyk)]] '''Japonsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|ja|日本語 {{!}} にほんご}} | {{-|''Nihongo'' [nʲiho̞ŋːo̞]}}) {{Kartka činovnik/ofis| name=}} <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> </span> == Referencije == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese language|}} [[Kategorija:Jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5287}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} ki3t61jyg365o3vic5k6pdvk844qsrj 28676 28668 2026-07-14T13:57:04Z Ilja isv 10 28676 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=July 2026}} {{-|''Under construction''}} {{Kartka carstvenna osoba | name = Napoleon Bonapart | image = [[Fajl:Jacques-Louis David - The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries - Google Art Project.jpg|thumb|center|''[[Imperator Napoleon v sojem kabinetu na Tuijeri]]'', Žak-Lui David (1812)]] | alt = Portrait of Napoleon in his late thirties, in high-ranking white and dark blue military dress uniform. In the original image he stands amid rich 18th-century furniture laden with papers, and gazes at the viewer. His hair is Brutus style, cropped close but with a short fringe in front, and his right hand is tucked in his waistcoat. | caption = ''[[The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries]]'', 1812 | succession = [[Imperator francuzov]] | reign = 18 maja 1804 – {{nowrap|6 aprila 1814}} | reign_type = 1. carstvo | cor_type = | coronation = | predecessor = | successor = [[Louis XVIII|Louis XVIII]]{{efn|name=louis reign|As [[King of France]]}} | reign_type1 = [[Hundred Days|2nd reign]] | reign1 = {{nowrap|20 March 1815 ― 22&nbsp;June 1815}} | predecessor1 = | successor1 = Louis XVIII{{efn|name=louis reign|As [[King of France]]}} <!--| module = {{Kartka činovnik | name = | embed = yes | office = [[First Consul of France|First Consul of the French Republic]] | term_start = 13 December 1799 | term_end = 18 May 1804 | office1 = [[French Consulate|Provisional Consul of the French Republic]] | term_start1 = 10 November 1799 | term_end1 = 12 December 1799--> <!--{{Collapsed infobox section begin|Other offices held|titlestyle = border:1px dashed lightgrey}}--> <!--| office2 = [[Protector of the Confederation of the Rhine]] | term_start2 = 12 July 1806 | term_end2 = 19 October 1813 | office3 = [[Kingdom of Italy (Napoleonic)|King of Italy]] | term_start3 = 17 March 1805 | term_end3 = 11 April 1814 | office4 = [[Act of Mediation|Mediator of the Swiss Confederation]] | term_start4 = 19 February 1803 | term_end4 = 19 October 1813 | office5 = [[Italian Republic (Napoleonic)|President of the Italian Republic]] | term_start5 = 26 January 1802 | term_end5 = 17 March 1805--> <!--{{Collapsed infobox section end}}--> | birth_name = Napoleone di Buonaparte | birth_date = {{Birth date|1769|8|15|df=yes}} | birth_place = [[Ajaccio]], Corsica, France | death_date = {{Death date and age|1821|5|5|1769|8|15|df=yes}} | death_place = [[Longwood, Saint Helena]] | burial_date = 15 dekembra 1840 | burial_place = {{lang|fr|[[Les Invalides]]|italic=no}}, Paris, France | spouses = {{plainlist| * [[Joséphine de Beauharnais]]<br/> 9 March 1796 - 10 January 1810 (anulacija) * [[Marie Louise of Austria]]<br> 11 March 1810 - 1814 (razvod)}} | religion = | regnal_name = | issue = | issue_link = #Children | issue_pipe = vyše... | full_name = | house = | father = | mother = | signature = [[Fajl:Firma Napoleón Bonaparte.svg|center|200px]] }} === Související články === * [[Přívozská halda]] * [[Halda Hrabůvka]] * [[Halda Heřmanice]] Tuto jest peskovišče. [[File:Nihongo.svg|thumb|right|100px| 日本語 (Japonsky jezyk)]] '''Japonsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|ja|日本語 {{!}} にほんご}} | {{-|''Nihongo'' [nʲiho̞ŋːo̞]}}) {{Kartka činovnik/ofis| name=}} <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> </span> == Referencije == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese language|}} [[Kategorija:Jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5287}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} og30t468i1kgmu2jn140c8tc9n2ro4n 28679 28676 2026-07-14T14:15:36Z Ilja isv 10 28679 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=July 2026}} {{-|''Under construction''}} {{Kartka carstvenna osoba | name = Napoleon Bonapart | image = [[Fajl:Jacques-Louis David - The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries - Google Art Project.jpg|thumb|center|''[[Imperator Napoleon v svojem kabinetu na Tuijeri]]'', Žak-Lui David (1812)]] | alt = Portrait of Napoleon in his late thirties, in high-ranking white and dark blue military dress uniform. In the original image he stands amid rich 18th-century furniture laden with papers, and gazes at the viewer. His hair is Brutus style, cropped close but with a short fringe in front, and his right hand is tucked in his waistcoat. | caption = ''[[The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries]]'', 1812 | succession = [[Imperator francuzov]] | reign = 18 maja 1804 – {{nowrap|6 aprila 1814}} | reign_type = 1. carstvo | cor_type = | coronation = | predecessor = | successor = [[Louis XVIII|Lui XVIII]]<ref name=louis> [[Kralj Francije]]</ref> | reign_type1 = [[Sto dnjev|2. carstvo]] | reign1 = {{nowrap|20 mareca 1815 ― 22&nbsp;junija 1815}} | predecessor1 = | successor1 = {{-|Louis XVIII|Луи XVIII}}<ref name=louis/> <!--| module = {{Kartka činovnik | name = | embed = yes | office = [[First Consul of France|First Consul of the French Republic]] | term_start = 13 December 1799 | term_end = 18 May 1804 | office1 = [[French Consulate|Provisional Consul of the French Republic]] | term_start1 = 10 November 1799 | term_end1 = 12 December 1799--> <!--{{Collapsed infobox section begin|Other offices held|titlestyle = border:1px dashed lightgrey}}--> <!--| office2 = [[Protector of the Confederation of the Rhine]] | term_start2 = 12 July 1806 | term_end2 = 19 October 1813 | office3 = [[Kingdom of Italy (Napoleonic)|King of Italy]] | term_start3 = 17 March 1805 | term_end3 = 11 April 1814 | office4 = [[Act of Mediation|Mediator of the Swiss Confederation]] | term_start4 = 19 February 1803 | term_end4 = 19 October 1813 | office5 = [[Italian Republic (Napoleonic)|President of the Italian Republic]] | term_start5 = 26 January 1802 | term_end5 = 17 March 1805--> <!--{{Collapsed infobox section end}}--> | birth_name = {{-|Napoleone di Buonaparte}} | birth_date = {{Birth date|1769|8|15|df=yes}} | birth_place = [[Ajaccio|Ažakio]], Korsika, Francija | death_date = {{Death date and age|1821|5|5|1769|8|15|df=yes}} | death_place = [[Longwood, Saint Helena|Longvud, Sveta Helena]] | burial_date = 15 dekembra 1840 | burial_place = {{lang|fr|[[Les Invalides]]|italic=no}}, Pariž, Francija | spouses = {{plainlist| * {{-|[[Joséphine de Beauharnais]]|[[Joséphine de Beauharnais|Жозефин де Боарне]]}}<br/> 9 mareca 1796 - 10 januara 1810 (anulacija) * {{-|[[Marie Louise Avstriska]]|[[Marie Louise Avstriska|Мари-Луиз Австриjска]]}}<br> 11 mareca 1810 - 1814 (razvod)}} | religion = | regnal_name = | issue = | issue_link = #Children | issue_pipe = vyše... | full_name = | house = | father = | mother = | signature = [[Fajl:Firma Napoleón Bonaparte.svg|center|200px]] }} === Související články === * [[Přívozská halda]] * [[Halda Hrabůvka]] * [[Halda Heřmanice]] Tuto jest peskovišče. [[File:Nihongo.svg|thumb|right|100px| 日本語 (Japonsky jezyk)]] '''Japonsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|ja|日本語 {{!}} にほんご}} | {{-|''Nihongo'' [nʲiho̞ŋːo̞]}}) {{Kartka činovnik/ofis| name=}} <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> </span> == Referencije == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese language|}} [[Kategorija:Jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5287}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} 1se1od32xwlif5c8zkhaubcyo9bl2b1 28696 28679 2026-07-14T18:23:30Z Ilja isv 10 /* */ 28696 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=July 2026}} {{-|''Under construction''}} {{Kartka carstvenna osoba | name = Napoleon Bonapart | image = [[Fajl:Jacques-Louis David - The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries - Google Art Project.jpg|thumb|center|''[[Imperator Napoleon v svojem kabinetu na Tuijeri]]'', Žak-Lui David (1812)]] | alt = Portrait of Napoleon in his late thirties, in high-ranking white and dark blue military dress uniform. In the original image he stands amid rich 18th-century furniture laden with papers, and gazes at the viewer. His hair is Brutus style, cropped close but with a short fringe in front, and his right hand is tucked in his waistcoat. | caption = ''[[The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries]]'', 1812 | succession = [[Imperator francuzov]] | reign = 18 maja 1804 – {{nowrap|6 aprila 1814}} | reign_type = 1. carstvo | cor_type = | coronation = | predecessor = | successor = [[Louis XVIII|Lui XVIII]]<ref name=louis> [[Kralj Francije]]</ref> | reign_type1 = [[Sto dnjev|2. carstvo]] | reign1 = {{nowrap|20 mareca 1815 ― 22&nbsp;junija 1815}} | predecessor1 = | successor1 = {{-|Louis XVIII|Луи XVIII}}<ref name=louis/> {{Kartka činovnik | name = | embed = yes | office = [[First Consul of France|First Consul of the French Republic]] | term_start = 13 December 1799 | term_end = 18 May 1804 | office1 = [[French Consulate|Provisional Consul of the French Republic]] | term_start1 = 10 November 1799 | term_end1 = 12 December 1799 | office2 = [[Protector of the Confederation of the Rhine]] | term_start2 = 12 July 1806 | term_end2 = 19 October 1813 | office3 = [[Kingdom of Italy (Napoleonic)|King of Italy]] | term_start3 = 17 March 1805 | term_end3 = 11 April 1814 | office4 = [[Act of Mediation|Mediator of the Swiss Confederation]] | term_start4 = 19 February 1803 | term_end4 = 19 October 1813 | office5 = [[Italian Republic (Napoleonic)|President of the Italian Republic]] | term_start5 = 26 January 1802 | term_end5 = 17 March 1805 | birth_name = {{-|Napoleone di Buonaparte}} | birth_date = {{Birth date|1769|8|15|df=yes}} | birth_place = [[Ajaccio|Ažakio]], Korsika, Francija | death_date = {{Death date and age|1821|5|5|1769|8|15|df=yes}} | death_place = [[Longwood, Saint Helena|Longvud, Sveta Helena]] | burial_date = 15 dekembra 1840 | burial_place = {{lang|fr|[[Les Invalides]]|italic=no}}, Pariž, Francija | spouses = {{plainlist| * {{-|[[Joséphine de Beauharnais]]|[[Joséphine de Beauharnais|Жозефин де Боарне]]}}<br/> 9 mareca 1796 - 10 januara 1810 (anulacija) * {{-|[[Marie Louise Avstriska]]|[[Marie Louise Avstriska|Мари-Луиз Австриjска]]}}<br> 11 mareca 1810 - 1814 (razvod)}} | religion = | regnal_name = | issue = | issue_link = #Children | issue_pipe = vyše... | full_name = | house = | father = | mother = | signature = [[Fajl:Firma Napoleón Bonaparte.svg|center|200px]] }} === Související články === * [[Přívozská halda]] * [[Halda Hrabůvka]] * [[Halda Heřmanice]] Tuto jest peskovišče. [[File:Nihongo.svg|thumb|right|100px| 日本語 (Japonsky jezyk)]] '''Japonsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|ja|日本語 {{!}} にほんご}} | {{-|''Nihongo'' [nʲiho̞ŋːo̞]}}) {{Kartka činovnik/ofis| name=}} <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> </span> == Referencije == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese language|}} [[Kategorija:Jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5287}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} 6pu8ce3hyt3egn71cro3d0j99bmnt9b 28697 28696 2026-07-14T18:26:27Z Ilja isv 10 /* */ 28697 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=July 2026}} {{-|''Under construction''}} {{Kartka carstvenna osoba | name = Napoleon Bonapart | image = [[Fajl:Jacques-Louis David - The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries - Google Art Project.jpg|thumb|center|''[[Imperator Napoleon v svojem kabinetu na Tuijeri]]'', Žak-Lui David (1812)]] | alt = Portrait of Napoleon in his late thirties, in high-ranking white and dark blue military dress uniform. In the original image he stands amid rich 18th-century furniture laden with papers, and gazes at the viewer. His hair is Brutus style, cropped close but with a short fringe in front, and his right hand is tucked in his waistcoat. | caption = ''[[The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries]]'', 1812 | succession = [[Imperator francuzov]] | reign = 18 maja 1804 – {{nowrap|6 aprila 1814}} | reign_type = 1. carstvo | cor_type = | coronation = | predecessor = | successor = [[Louis XVIII|Lui XVIII]]<ref name=louis> [[Kralj Francije]]</ref> | reign_type1 = [[Sto dnjev|2. carstvo]] | reign1 = {{nowrap|20 mareca 1815 ― 22&nbsp;junija 1815}} | predecessor1 = | successor1 = {{-|Louis XVIII|Луи XVIII}}<ref name=louis/> {{Kartka činovnik | name = | embed = yes | office = [[First Consul of France|First Consul of the French Republic]] | term_start = 13 December 1799 | term_end = 18 May 1804 | office1 = [[French Consulate|Provisional Consul of the French Republic]] | term_start1 = 10 November 1799 | term_end1 = 12 December 1799 | office2 = [[Protector of the Confederation of the Rhine]] | term_start2 = 12 July 1806 | term_end2 = 19 October 1813 | office3 = [[Kingdom of Italy (Napoleonic)|King of Italy]] | term_start3 = 17 March 1805 | term_end3 = 11 April 1814 | office4 = [[Act of Mediation|Mediator of the Swiss Confederation]] | term_start4 = 19 February 1803 | term_end4 = 19 October 1813 | office5 = [[Italian Republic (Napoleonic)|President of the Italian Republic]] | term_start5 = 26 January 1802 | term_end5 = 17 March 1805 | birth_name = {{-|Napoleone di Buonaparte}} | birth_date = {{Birth date|1769|8|15|df=yes}} | birth_place = [[Ajaccio|Ažakio]], Korsika, Francija | death_date = {{Death date and age|1821|5|5|1769|8|15|df=yes}} | death_place = [[Longwood, Saint Helena|Longvud, Sveta Helena]] | burial_date = 15 dekembra 1840 | burial_place = {{lang|fr|[[Les Invalides]]|italic=no}}, Pariž, Francija | spouses = {{plainlist| * {{-|[[Joséphine de Beauharnais]]|[[Joséphine de Beauharnais|Жозефин де Боарне]]}}<br/> 9 mareca 1796 - 10 januara 1810 (anulacija) * {{-|[[Marie Louise Avstriska]]|[[Marie Louise Avstriska|Мари-Луиз Австриjска]]}}<br> 11 mareca 1810 - 1814 (razvod)}} | religion = | regnal_name = | issue = | issue_link = #Children | issue_pipe = vyše... | full_name = | house = | father = | mother = | signature = [[Fajl:Firma Napoleón Bonaparte.svg|center|200px]] }} }} === Související články === * [[Přívozská halda]] * [[Halda Hrabůvka]] * [[Halda Heřmanice]] Tuto jest peskovišče. [[File:Nihongo.svg|thumb|right|100px| 日本語 (Japonsky jezyk)]] '''Japonsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|ja|日本語 {{!}} にほんご}} | {{-|''Nihongo'' [nʲiho̞ŋːo̞]}}) {{Kartka činovnik/ofis| name=}} <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> </span> == Referencije == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese language|}} [[Kategorija:Jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5287}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} negqkaev1zpxrrhkbc8cmm1zjfb89ec 28698 28697 2026-07-14T18:46:22Z Ilja isv 10 /* */ 28698 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=July 2026}} {{-|''Under construction''}} {{Kartka carstvenna osoba | name = Napoleon Bonapart | image = [[Fajl:Jacques-Louis David - The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries - Google Art Project.jpg|thumb|center|''[[Imperator Napoleon v svojem kabinetu na Tuijeri]]'', Žak-Lui David (1812)]] | alt = Portrait of Napoleon in his late thirties, in high-ranking white and dark blue military dress uniform. In the original image he stands amid rich 18th-century furniture laden with papers, and gazes at the viewer. His hair is Brutus style, cropped close but with a short fringe in front, and his right hand is tucked in his waistcoat. | caption = ''[[The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries]]'', 1812 | succession = [[Imperator francuzov]] | reign = 18 maja 1804 – {{nowrap|6 aprila 1814}} | reign_type = 1. carstvo | cor_type = | coronation = | predecessor = | successor = [[Louis XVIII|Lui XVIII]]<ref name=louis> [[Kralj Francije]]</ref> | reign_type1 = [[Sto dnjev|2. carstvo]] | reign1 = {{nowrap|20 mareca 1815 ― 22&nbsp;junija 1815}} | predecessor1 = | successor1 = {{-|Louis XVIII|Луи XVIII}}<ref name=louis/> {{Kartka činovnik | name = | embed = yes | office = [[First Consul of France|First Consul of the French Republic]] | term_start = 13 December 1799 | term_end = 18 May 1804 | office1 = [[French Consulate|Provisional Consul of the French Republic]] | term_start1 = 10 November 1799 | term_end1 = 12 December 1799 | office2 = [[Protector of the Confederation of the Rhine]] | term_start2 = 12 July 1806 | term_end2 = 19 October 1813 | office3 = [[Kingdom of Italy (Napoleonic)|King of Italy]] | term_start3 = 17 March 1805 | term_end3 = 11 April 1814 | office4 = [[Act of Mediation|Mediator of the Swiss Confederation]] | term_start4 = 19 February 1803 | term_end4 = 19 October 1813 | office5 = [[Italian Republic (Napoleonic)|President of the Italian Republic]] | term_start5 = 26 January 1802 | term_end5 = 17 March 1805}} | birth_name = {{-|Napoleone di Buonaparte}} | birth_date = {{Birth date|1769|8|15|df=yes}} | birth_place = [[Ajaccio|Ažakio]], Korsika, Francija | death_date = {{Death date and age|1821|5|5|1769|8|15|df=yes}} | death_place = [[Longwood, Saint Helena|Longvud, Sveta Helena]] | burial_date = 15 dekembra 1840 | burial_place = {{lang|fr|[[Les Invalides]]|italic=no}}, Pariž, Francija | spouses = {{plainlist| * {{-|[[Joséphine de Beauharnais]]|[[Joséphine de Beauharnais|Жозефин де Боарне]]}}<br/> 9 mareca 1796 - 10 januara 1810 (anulacija) * {{-|[[Marie Louise Avstriska]]|[[Marie Louise Avstriska|Мари-Луиз Австриjска]]}}<br> 11 mareca 1810 - 1814 (razvod)}} | religion = | regnal_name = | issue = | issue_link = #Children | issue_pipe = vyše... | full_name = | house = | father = | mother = | signature = [[Fajl:Firma Napoleón Bonaparte.svg|center|200px]] }} }} === Související články === * [[Přívozská halda]] * [[Halda Hrabůvka]] * [[Halda Heřmanice]] Tuto jest peskovišče. [[File:Nihongo.svg|thumb|right|100px| 日本語 (Japonsky jezyk)]] '''Japonsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|ja|日本語 {{!}} にほんご}} | {{-|''Nihongo'' [nʲiho̞ŋːo̞]}}) {{Kartka činovnik/ofis| name=}} <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> </span> == Referencije == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese language|}} [[Kategorija:Jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5287}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} qvnb96yagf0bjam3dt1ioojv3ownv0w 28711 28698 2026-07-15T06:04:08Z Ilja isv 10 28711 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=July 2026}} {{-|''Under construction''}} {{Kartka carstvenna osoba | name = Napoleon Bonapart | image = [[Fajl:Jacques-Louis David - The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries - Google Art Project.jpg|thumb|center|''[[Imperator Napoleon v svojem kabinetu na Tuijeri]]'', Žak-Lui David (1812)]] | alt = Portrait of Napoleon in his late thirties, in high-ranking white and dark blue military dress uniform. In the original image he stands amid rich 18th-century furniture laden with papers, and gazes at the viewer. His hair is Brutus style, cropped close but with a short fringe in front, and his right hand is tucked in his waistcoat. | caption = ''[[The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries]]'', 1812 | succession = [[Imperator francuzov]] | reign = 18 maja 1804 – {{nowrap|6 aprila 1814}} | reign_type = 1. carstvo | cor_type = | coronation = | predecessor = | successor = [[Louis XVIII|Lui XVIII]]<ref name=louis> [[Kralj Francije]]</ref> | reign_type1 = [[Sto dnjev|2. carstvo]] | reign1 = {{nowrap|20 mareca 1815 ― 22&nbsp;junija 1815}} | predecessor1 = | successor1 = {{-|Louis XVIII|Луи XVIII}}<ref name=louis/> {{Navbox | titlestyle = background-color:#FCF;text-align:center; | title = Prědhodne dolžnosti | bullets = on | group 1 = dolžnost | list1 = * — Ministr klimata i energije [[Niderlandy|Niderlandov]] (10.01.2022 – 02.07.2024)<br />— Vodž {{-|Demokrati 66|D66}} (11.08.2023 – nyně) }} {{Kartka činovnik | name = | embed = yes | office = [[First Consul of France|First Consul of the French Republic]] | term_start = 13 December 1799 | term_end = 18 May 1804 | office1 = [[French Consulate|Provisional Consul of the French Republic]] | term_start1 = 10 November 1799 | term_end1 = 12 December 1799 | office2 = [[Protector of the Confederation of the Rhine]] | term_start2 = 12 July 1806 | term_end2 = 19 October 1813 | office3 = [[Kingdom of Italy (Napoleonic)|King of Italy]] | term_start3 = 17 March 1805 | term_end3 = 11 April 1814 | office4 = [[Act of Mediation|Mediator of the Swiss Confederation]] | term_start4 = 19 February 1803 | term_end4 = 19 October 1813 | office5 = [[Italian Republic (Napoleonic)|President of the Italian Republic]] | term_start5 = 26 January 1802 | term_end5 = 17 March 1805}} | birth_name = {{-|Napoleone di Buonaparte}} | birth_date = {{Birth date|1769|8|15|df=yes}} | birth_place = [[Ajaccio|Ažakio]], Korsika, Francija | death_date = {{Death date and age|1821|5|5|1769|8|15|df=yes}} | death_place = [[Longwood, Saint Helena|Longvud, Sveta Helena]] | burial_date = 15 dekembra 1840 | burial_place = {{lang|fr|[[Les Invalides]]|italic=no}}, Pariž, Francija | spouses = {{plainlist| * {{-|[[Joséphine de Beauharnais]]|[[Joséphine de Beauharnais|Жозефин де Боарне]]}}<br/> 9 mareca 1796 - 10 januara 1810 (anulacija) * {{-|[[Marie Louise Avstriska]]|[[Marie Louise Avstriska|Мари-Луиз Австриjска]]}}<br> 11 mareca 1810 - 1814 (razvod)}} | religion = | regnal_name = | issue = | issue_link = #Children | issue_pipe = vyše... | full_name = | house = | father = | mother = | signature = [[Fajl:Firma Napoleón Bonaparte.svg|center|200px]] }} }} === Související články === * [[Přívozská halda]] * [[Halda Hrabůvka]] * [[Halda Heřmanice]] Tuto jest peskovišče. [[File:Nihongo.svg|thumb|right|100px| 日本語 (Japonsky jezyk)]] '''Japonsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|ja|日本語 {{!}} にほんご}} | {{-|''Nihongo'' [nʲiho̞ŋːo̞]}}) {{Kartka činovnik/ofis| name=}} <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> </span> == Referencije == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese language|}} [[Kategorija:Jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5287}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} kbov5owo4nce9be0qdn7bksvsglj0qe 28717 28711 2026-07-15T06:29:36Z Ilja isv 10 28717 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=July 2026}} {{-|''Under construction''}} {{Kartka carstvenna osoba | name = Napoleon Bonapart | image = [[Fajl:Jacques-Louis David - The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries - Google Art Project.jpg|thumb|center|''[[Imperator Napoleon v svojem kabinetu na Tuijeri]]'', Žak-Lui David (1812)]] | alt = Portrait of Napoleon in his late thirties, in high-ranking white and dark blue military dress uniform. In the original image he stands amid rich 18th-century furniture laden with papers, and gazes at the viewer. His hair is Brutus style, cropped close but with a short fringe in front, and his right hand is tucked in his waistcoat. | caption = ''[[The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries]]'', 1812 | succession = [[Imperator francuzov]] | reign = 18 maja 1804 – {{nowrap|6 aprila 1814}} | reign_type = 1. carstvo | cor_type = | coronation = | predecessor = | successor = [[Louis XVIII|Lui XVIII]]<ref name=louis> [[Kralj Francije]]</ref> | reign_type1 = [[Sto dnjev|2. carstvo]] | reign1 = {{nowrap|20 mareca 1815 ― 22&nbsp;junija 1815}} | predecessor1 = | successor1 = {{-|Louis XVIII|Луи XVIII}}<ref name=louis/> | birth_name = {{-|Napoleone di Buonaparte}} | birth_date = {{Birth date|1769|8|15|df=yes}} | birth_place = [[Ajaccio|Ažakio]], Korsika, Francija | death_date = {{Death date and age|1821|5|5|1769|8|15|df=yes}} | death_place = [[Longwood, Saint Helena|Longvud, Sveta Helena]] | burial_date = 15 dekembra 1840 | burial_place = {{lang|fr|[[Les Invalides]]|italic=no}}, Pariž, Francija | spouses = {{plainlist| * {{-|[[Joséphine de Beauharnais]]|[[Joséphine de Beauharnais|Жозефин де Боарне]]}}<br/> 9 mareca 1796 - 10 januara 1810 (anulacija) * {{-|[[Marie Louise Avstriska]]|[[Marie Louise Avstriska|Мари-Луиз Австриjска]]}}<br> 11 mareca 1810 - 1814 (razvod)}} | religion = | regnal_name = | issue = | issue_link = #Children | issue_pipe = vyše... | full_name = | house = | father = | mother = | signature = [[Fajl:Firma Napoleón Bonaparte.svg|center|200px]] }} === Související články === * [[Přívozská halda]] * [[Halda Hrabůvka]] * [[Halda Heřmanice]] Tuto jest peskovišče. [[File:Nihongo.svg|thumb|right|100px| 日本語 (Japonsky jezyk)]] '''Japonsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|ja|日本語 {{!}} にほんご}} | {{-|''Nihongo'' [nʲiho̞ŋːo̞]}}) {{Kartka činovnik/ofis| name=}} <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> </span> == Referencije == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese language|}} [[Kategorija:Jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5287}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} cpldocerp1enyeddb1um3u59qt6489w 0 3075 28745 21450 2026-07-15T11:11:41Z LiMr 20 +kategorije 28745 wikitext text/x-wiki #REDIRECT [[Rim]] [[Kategorija:Рим| ]] [[Kategorija:Грады в Италији]] [[Kategorija:Главне грады в Европє]] jqrcd0l826repx6h6fsc16lxnu9zfhk 3 4531 28702 28360 2026-07-15T02:38:56Z ~2026-39912-71 466 /* Izbor Dnja Medžuslovjanskogo jezyka? */ 28702 wikitext text/x-wiki Будьте жывы-здоровы:-) If you are a contributor now, you can win the "Siberian prize". Voting every week on Fridays: http://samir74.livejournal.com/932177.html This is just some present from Siberia:-) --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 09:36, 17 June 2006 (UTC) :Thank you! But I'll have to read a lot of Siberian before I'll ever be able to contribute anything by myself. You know I was sort of cheating! ;) If there's anything that would warrant a "Siberian prize" for me, it would undoubtedly be my article on the Dutch wikipedia (which I'm quite satisfied with, to tell you the truth)! Cheers, [[User:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] 21:08, 17 June 2006 (UTC) Hello! As soon as other admins will be allowed, we shall elect IJzeren Jan as A Honorable Siberian Wiki Admin:-)) --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 10:01, 4 September 2006 (UTC) :Thank you! :) In the meantime, please have a look at [[Test-WP/chal/Польской говор|this]] and correct my (undoubtedly numerous) errors. Cheers, [[User:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] 10:32, 4 September 2006 (UTC) Želajų vam zdravja i ščęstnosť! --[[User:Skorzeniewski|Skorzeniewski]] ([[User talk:Skorzeniewski|talk]]) 23:23, 4 October 2024 (UTC) :Hvala vam lěpo i vzajemno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:32, 4 October 2024 (UTC) == Category:Users:By language:isv == Ahoj! Ja sozdaval [[:Category:Users:By language:isv]] - mysli že isv-Latn i isv-Cyrl ne sut jeziki. Wp/isv nedostavaje kategoriju dla vse koristniki ktory mozhet pomogati. Zdes ne imajemo spisok vseh koristnikov, da? [[User:TutČas|TutČas]] ([[User talk:TutČas|talk]]) 15:14, 29 January 2025 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Da, toj problem ješče ne jest razrěšeny, že isv-Latn i isv-Cyrl uvažajut se odděljnymi jezykami. Myslju, že tuto vrěmenno razrěšenje jest dobro, a kogda MS Vikipedija bude realizovana, bude takože razrěšenje za tutu kvestiju. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 30 January 2025 (UTC) == Meta "artificial language" == [[:meta:Talk:Language_proposal_policy#Replace_term_artificial_language_with_term_constructed_language]]. [[User:TutČas|TutČas]] ([[User talk:TutČas|talk]]) 10:59, 3 February 2025 (UTC) == Hvala za popravky! Slovo -dozvaljati iz slovnika == Pozdrav, Jan! Hvala za popravky v člankah. Slovo ''dozvaljati'' v slovniku koristaje korenj ''-val,'' ale čto mysliš o tom, že večinstvo prirodnyh jezykov koristajut korenj ''-vol.'' Togda kako korenj ''-val'' koristaje se v smyslu ''-valiti.'' Kako gledaju iz slovnika, jedino poljsky i belorussky směnili korenj na ''-val'' v tutom slovu. V russkom jezyku my govorimo дазвалять (prěmo kako belorusi pišut!), ale pišemo дозволять. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 09:35, 8 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav! Da, v principu imaješ pravdu. Ale kombinacija dozvoliti/dozvoliti jest pytanje regularnosti. Uže davno jesmo izslědovali, kako najlěpje (i najregularněje) prěobratiti sovršene glagoly v nesovršene. Jesmo sdělali inventarizaciju srěd različnyh možnostij, napr. -iti > -jati, -iti > -ivati i t.d., s dolženjem prědhodnoj samoglasky ili bez. Nu i togda došli jesmo k izvodu, že najbolje razprostranjena opcija jest napr. odnoviti > odnavjati, razsmotriti > razsmatrjati, razgovoriti > razgovarjati, stvoriti > stvarjati, izvolniti > izvalnjati... Ale sejčas vidžu, že slovnik takože ne jest sovsim konsekventny: jest obvadnjati i odvadnjati, ale navodnjati. Tutčas myslju, že mogli byhmo formy dozvoljati, razgovorjati, dozvoljati dodati kako dodatočne formy. Ili daže dozvolivati, razgovorivati...? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 8 May 2025 (UTC) ::Hah, zajmlivo. Ja ne znal, že to byl generaly princip formovanja slovnika. Budu znati tutčas. Hvala za pojasnenje. ::Kako razumeju, prěměna glasok v korenju i jej pravila sut različne v različnyh slovjanskyh jezykah. ::V cělom, izhodeči iz filozofskyh principov formovanja MS (najvysša razumlivost za vseh slovjan), za mene dobra ideja jest koristanje form korenjev, ktore sut harakteristične za večšu kolikost jezykov. Ale, može byti, v něktoryh momentah možlivo takože shranjati prvonačelno pisanje korenja. ::Takože napriklad, v slučaju s ''obnoviti > obnavjati'' vidimo, že ukrajinsky, russky, cešsky, slovačsky, makedonsky i bulgarsky ne imajut prěmenu v ''-nov- > -nav-,'' kogda dodajemo sufiks ''-jati'' i shranjajut iznačelny korenj ''-nov-'' navet s sufiksom ''-jati'' ::A vot v slovu ''razgovarjati'' vo vseh jezykah, ktore koristajut tuty korenj (pomimo ukrajinskogo) jest prěmena korenja ''govor-govar'', kogda dodajemo prefiks (govoriti > razgovarjati) i tut koristanje prěměny samoglasky za mene izgledaje dobro. ::''obvodniti i obvadnjati'' takože kako i dozvoljati. Jedino poljsky i belorussky imajut prěměnu s sufiksom ''-jati'' s korenjem ''-vod-'' ::Dodatočne formy igledajut za mene lěpym variantom, ibo togda vně zavistnosti od togo, imaje li prěměnu korenj v prirodnom jezyku ili ne imaje, vsegda člověk smože najti slovo v slovniku, a ostalym to bude razumlivo. Možlivo koristati jedino universalno pravilo, ale togda pojavjajut se neprirodne formy za mnogyh jezykov. ::Ne znam, to jest velika diskusija. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:17, 9 May 2025 (UTC) :::takož napriklad :::''odobriti > odobrjati'' v slovniku shranjaje prvonačelny korenj, bez obriza na vid glagola i na sufiks ''-jati'' [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:55, 9 May 2025 (UTC) == Using the <nowiki><indicator></nowiki> tag == I went to your user page and found you were using <code><nowiki><span style="background:#FFFFFF;position:absolute;top:-32px; right:1px;z-index:1">[[Image:Flag of Interslavic.svg|40px|link=Wp/isv/Glavna stranica]]</span></nowiki></code>. Conveniently, I was just researching how the [[:w:Template:top icon|Template:Top icon]] worked, and I found the <code><nowiki><indicator></nowiki></code> tag. So I decided to try to apply it here too. * I made one without the white span: <code><nowiki><indicator name="isv-mainpage">[[Image:Flag of Interslavic.svg|40px|link=Wp/isv/Glavna stranica]]</indicator></nowiki></code> * Or with it, if you really need to have it for whatever reason: <code><nowiki><span style="background:#FFFFFF><indicator name="isv-mainpage">[[Image:Flag of Interslavic.svg|40px|link=Wp/isv/Glavna stranica]]</indicator></span></nowiki></code> [[User:Kxeon|Kxeon]] ([[User talk:Kxeon|talk]]) 02:22, 14 July 2025 (UTC) == Translation request == Hi, could you please translate this to Interslavic? Glosa is an artificial auxiliary language designed for international communication. It has several characteristics: * Its pronunciation is regular, and its spelling is phonetic. * Its structure is very simple and based on meaning. Thanks. [[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|talk]]) 13:33, 1 August 2025 (UTC) :Hey, it's been a while! Of course, no problem. And in return, you might want to write a few sentences about Interslavic in Basque, or Maltese, or whatever. Deal? ;-) :Anyway, here goes: : :Glosa jest umětny pomočny jezyk, stvorjeny v lětah 1972–1992 Ronaldom Klarkom {{Wp/isv/-|(Ronald Clark)}} i Uendi Ešbi {{Wp/isv/-|(Wendy Ashby)}} na osnově jezyčnogo projekta Interglossa iz 1943 g. On imaje slědujuče harakteristiky: :* regularny izgovor i fonetično pravopisanje, :* mnogo prostu strukturu osnovanu na značenju. : :Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:19, 1 August 2025 (UTC) ::I created the article in [[:scn:Interslavu|Sicilian]]. [[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|talk]]) 08:27, 9 August 2025 (UTC) :::Great, thank you @[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]]! Just send me the rest of the Glosa text, because I can't imagine that was all. ;) Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:51, 9 August 2025 (UTC) ::::That's the rest: ::::* It is an analytical language with no inflections or genders. A small number of words handle grammatical relations. ::::* Above all, Glosa is neutral and truly international due to the use of Latin and Greek roots, which are used in the international scientific vocabulary. ::::[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|talk]]) 16:06, 14 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Well then, @[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]], here we go again, from the start: :::::Glosa jest umětny pomočny jezyk, stvorjeny v lětah 1972–1992 Ronaldom Klarkom i Uendi Ešbi na osnově jezyčnogo projekta Interglossa iz 1943 g. On imaje slědujuče harakteristiky: :::::* Izgovor jest regularny, a pravopisanje jest sovsěm regularno. :::::* Struktura jezyka jest mnogo prosta i osnovana na značenju. :::::* Glosa jest analitičny jezyk, bez fleksije i bez gramatičnyh rodov. Gramatične odnošenja oprěděljaje mala kolistkost slov. :::::* Prěd vsim, upotrěba latinskyh i grečskyh korenjev koristajemyh v medžunarodnoj naučnoj leksikě v jezyku glosa prijaje jegovomu nevtralnomu i zaisto medžunarodnomu harakteru. :::::I do have one question though: what exactly do you mean by "its structure is based on meaning"? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 14 August 2025 (UTC) == korektorska prosba == Pozdrav, pane Jan! Imaju tekst, ktory už něktory čas prěd tomu jesm prěklal na MS. Može byti, někogda sdělaju iz njego cělu knigu na MS... Mogu vas prositi ob korektrorskoj uslugě?🙂 Tekst ne jest veliky. Hvala. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:29, 12 August 2025 (UTC) :Očevidno, s prijemnostju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:33, 12 August 2025 (UTC) ::[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vpXbaDiSSONUf6VtqEmMwE5lRErHx3_dJOa9M2MaDSE/edit?usp=sharing Tut jest tekst] ::To ne jest doslovny prěvod iz kitajskogo, ale prosto interpretacija několikyh tekstov na anglijskom. Kak vy znajete, [[:en:Tao_Te_Ching|Tao Te Ching]] ne jest možlivo prěkladati bukvalno na moderne jezyky. Moj cělj byl sdělati razumlivy tekst, zatom vitaju popravjenja leksiky, pravopisa, frazeologizmov, i t d. ::Hvala. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:03, 14 August 2025 (UTC) :::Krasiva rabota! Budu pročitati, ale prěduprědžaju, že to ne bude na dnes ili zautra! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 14 August 2025 (UTC) == Volapük == Hi, sorry to bother you with these things but could you please: * delete [[:vo:Geban:Caro de Segeda/Jenotem Volapüka|this]] page? * [[:vo:Lifamod balugik|this]], [[:vo:Feil|this]] and [[:vo:Glüg Katulik|this]] articles? Thank you. As you can see they are quite short and I provided the text in English to make sure the translation is correct. [[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|talk]]) 09:14, 20 October 2025 (UTC) == Big problem in the Interslavic community == Hello, Jan. I'm writing this to you as to member of Interslavic committee. I do have a problem that I would like to discuss privately first. I've sent you an email. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:44, 21 October 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' _{(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)}''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) :Hey Glěb, I'll move this to the Krčma, as it can also be of interest to others. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:59, 20 November 2025 (UTC) == {{Wp/isv/-|MediaWiki}} stranice == Zdrav i ščestnogo Novogo Goda, Jan! Naděju se da budemo dobyti polnocěnnu Vikipediju čim skorěje, zato že redaktovanje na Inkubatoru mně jest katastrofično loše (prěd vsem, zaradi prefiksanja <code>Wp/isv/</code> vsim linkam). Može byti možlivo ovde sdělati lokalne versij {{Wp/isv/-|MediaWiki}} stranic ktore umožnjajut dodavanje osoblivyh medžuslovjanskyh bukv i standardnyh nazv za razděly člankov (plus "Takože" za "{{Wp/isv/-|See also}}") podobno ovomu: https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Edittools ? Jesm priučil se funkciji razširjenja za [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Pomo%C4%8D/Metoda_vpisa metodu vpisa], jest bylo prostěje i bystrěje pisati članky. Lěpy pozdrav. – [[User:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[User talk:Vipz|talk]] · [[User:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:24, 6 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Vipz|Vipz]] Zdravo, i tobě takože želaju ščestlivogo novogo goda! Čto se tyče Edittools, jesm suglasny, že to trěba iměti, ale ne znaju, jest li možno zainstalovati tako něčto v Inkubatoru. I često govoreči, ne jesm uvěrjeny, imaje li to smysl tutčas (v oktobru 2024 ješče naivno myslil jesm, že naš vlastny domen bude može tri ili četyri měsecev pozdněje). Ale ako toj domen bude, absoluto povinno jest byti to orudje. <br /> Ale ne razuměju točno, v čem jest problem s <code>Wp/isv/</code>. V člankah ne trěba togo pisati, ibo sistema sama dodavaje. Samo v šablonah i na besědnyh stranicah trěba to dodati. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:38, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Одиссеј, Одиссејa == Ne imaje byti jedno "s", Odisej, Odiseja? [[User:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[User talk:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:57, 4 February 2026 (UTC) :Dobro pytanje. Često govoreči, jesm sumněval. V principu da, v medžuslovjanskom vsegda imajemo pojedinnu suglasku. Ale v slučaju imen jest trohu inako. V ukrajinskom na priklad jest Одіссей, ne Одісей. Ale imaješ pravdu, že značno večinstvo jezykov imaje jedno s. Izměnju to, hvala! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:46, 4 February 2026 (UTC) ::Hvala, Jane, a čto Rosija, ne Rossija že? [[User:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[User talk:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:44, 4 February 2026 (UTC) ::i Одеса na ukrajinskom ne jest Одесса kako v ostalyh jeyzkah [[User:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[User talk:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:46, 4 February 2026 (UTC) :::Ne ne, Rosija imaje dva '''s''' samo v russkom, vse ostale jezyky imajut jedno. I nakoliko vidžu, s Odesoju menje-bolje jest tako samo. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:50, 5 February 2026 (UTC) == Interslavic WP sibling projects == Hi @[[User:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] ! I see you are very productive with interslavic WP https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/isv&wiki=incubatorwiki and I wonder if you would be interested in developing other Interslavic WP sibling projects? I would be interested in Wikivoyage and Wikinews myself. [[User:Zblace|Zblace]] ([[User talk:Zblace|talk]]) 05:26, 17 March 2026 (UTC) :Zdravo @[[User:Zblace|Zblace]]! It could be interesting, but if I'm being honest, I am sceptical about the odds for success. You see, those sister projects tend to attract only a fraction of the number of people who work on Wikipedia. With the exception of some of the largest languages, Wikinews is a total failure. For example, the Dutch Wikipedia has hundreds of regular, active users and is among the largest Wikipedias. The Dutch Wikinews, on the other hand, is probably going to be closed for the third time for lack of activity. I am not very familiar with Wikivoyage, but the situation there doesn't seem to be much better. So realistically speaking, any sister project in Interslavic is doomed to become a solo project before dying out entirely, and therefore it is highly unlikely that it will ever leave the Incubator. If you seriously intend to work on one of them, you are of course free to give it a try, but if you ask me, it would be much more worthwhile if we all concentrate on the Interslavic Wikipedia. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:54, 17 March 2026 (UTC) == Interslavic Wikipedia Approval == Hello! Did you already know that Jon Harald Søby published https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#c-Jon_Harald_Søby-20260615143400-Notification_about_proposed_approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia and that Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved in a week? People have been waiting for two years, and it's finally almost here! Cheers :) [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35330-09|&#126;2026-35330-09]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-35330-09|talk]]) 12:47, 16 June 2026 (UTC) :By the way, I noticed a strange error. Why is Wp/isv called "medžuslovjansky Wikipedia" in the English incubator, not "Interslavic Wikipedia"? Why did "Interslavic" become "medžuslovjansky"? The same error, by the way, appears on your account page. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35418-38|&#126;2026-35418-38]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-35418-38|talk]]) 13:39, 16 June 2026 (UTC) ::Yes, I am aware of that. Thank you. As for the other problem, that's to be sorted out. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:19, 17 June 2026 (UTC) :::I've got an interesting idea. Is it technically possible for Wikipedia to automatically show Cyrillic text when people open it from Russia, Ukraine, or Bulgaria, while automatically showing Latin text when they open it from Poland, Slovakia, or Croatia? I think this would slow down the influx of users from Cyrillic Slavic countries. I think if they open a text in Latin, they won't even want to read it; they'll immediately think it's incomprehensible. But if they see it in Cyrillic, they'll automatically try to read it, understand a lot, and become interested in the language. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35720-77|&#126;2026-35720-77]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-35720-77|talk]]) 03:05, 19 June 2026 (UTC) :::''Approved! 🎉''! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:04, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Ja jesm někako slomil Krčmu == Prosim smilovati, ide li to izpraviti? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:27, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ne jesi ničto slomil! V Krčmě nikogda ne bylo opcije "odgovoriti", ibo to ne jest besědna stranica. :) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:39, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: kako vidiš, tu na mojej besědnoj stranici jest ta opcija. Druga razlika jest, že na besědnyh stranicah rabotaje opcija "@", a v Krčmě uže ne. I tu podpis javi se avtomatično. Teoretično možno jest prěobratiti Krčmu v besědnu stranicu, togda te možnosti budut dostupne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Sdělano, lp. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 05:16, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Hvala velika! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:16, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Blagodarnost == @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] Považeny Pane Jane ja jesm priključil se k projektu toliko zaradi Vašego intervju panji Olgě Woźńiak "Językotworzenie: jak słowa tworzą nowe światy" i ja jesm gluboko blagodarny Vam kako za to intervju, tako i za pomoč v prověrkě mojih člankov v Inkubatorě. Ne smotrječi na to, že ja jesm znal o MS jezyku mnogo-mnogo lět, toliko Vaše intervju jest pobudilo mene pisati i izučati jego iznovo. Svoja Vikipedija to jest ogromny krok k razvitju našej občej literaturnoj normy i k stvorjenju literatury na medžuslovjanskom jezyku, čto dozvoli projektu žiti dalěje. Nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s Vami! 18:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 18:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Здраво! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an inter-Slavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[Koristnik:VadymTS1|VadymTS1]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:VadymTS1|besěda]]) 07:53, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Izbor Dnja Medžuslovjanskogo jezyka? == Pozdrav dragy gospodine Jane! Kako my vsi znajemo, ljudi v čatah někogda imajut pytanje, kogda jest svetok Denj Medžuslovjanskogo jezyka, i to jest dobro. Na čatah v Keetu i Telegramu něktori ljudi htěli, žeby někto spytal o tom Jana, i tomu ja pišem. Něktori ljudi pytajut, či 23 Junja – to je denj tvorjenja MS Wiki, bude izbrany kako Denj Medžuslovjanskogo jezyka? Ini ljudi pytajut, či potrěbno imati MS Denj akurat na Denj Kirila i Metodija. Drugi ljudi pytajut, či jest pravilno 03 Junja imati Denj Medžuslovjanskogo jezyka? Budu napisati historiju togo: Priblizno 3 lěta tomu nazad něktori ljudi počeli govorili v Diskordu o tom, že možno slaviti Dnje Konferencije CISLA, kde byli sjedinene različne projekty v jedin Medžuslovjansky jezyk. Kako my znajemo, CISLA byla v početku 6 měseca: od 01.06 i dalje ješče několiko dnej. Ljudi v čatu počeli čestitati 03.06, tomu čto 01.06 i 02.06 sut zajete drugymi medžunarodnymi svetkami, a cifra tri ima prědnost, to jest božska cifra. Ja jesm takož byla prisutna pri tamtyh razgovorah na Diskordu, to byl odvorjeny razgovor za vsih ohotnyh i prisutnyh tam ljudij. Tako něktori ljudi počeli imati Neoficialny Denj Medžuslovjanskogo jezyka i slavili 03 Junja. Potom toj neoficialny denj pošel dalje: něktori ljudi slavili jego na živo na 2 shodkah, kde ja jesm takož byla prisutna. Jedin iz učestnikov FSK (Foruma Slovjanskyh Kultur), «Biblioteka inostrannoj literatury – Centr slovjanskyh kultur», imal mnogo učestnikov na shodkě, ktori slavili 03.06 kako Denj Msa tomu čto vzeli informaciju i inspriraciju o tom iz oficijnogo Diskorda (https://libfl.ru/ru/news/v-inostranke-obsudili-mezhslavyanskiy-yazyk). V prědhodno lěto tam bylo takož, s 60 učestnikami. Ako my vidimo, razvoj MSa ide prirodno i někogda iventy tvoret se prirodno. Ale ljudam takože jest prirodno potrěbno poznati, kaky Denj jest pravilny? Najprijetnějše za ljudi jest, že by Jan označil kaky denj jest oficijny svetok Denj Medžuslovjanskogo jezyka. (Ja jesm uvěrjena, ni jedin člověk ne bude smutny ako Denj bude ne v toj denj ktory uže byl, abo v toj denj ktory uže byl. Vse varianty sut dobre). Prosimo vas dragy Jane, naznačite oficijny svetok v někaky denj, ktory budemo slaviti vsako lěto kako Denj Medžuslovjanskogo jezyka. Vsaky variant jest dobry i bude radost to imati. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|besěda]]) 17:07, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) oe723nnnuj4zsctgm5dvuptuawsvjs4 2 4559 28734 28621 2026-07-15T08:03:19Z Polda18 18 zabluda 28734 wikitext text/x-wiki <noinclude>{{/zaglavje}} {{Koristničska stranica}} </noinclude>{{#Babel:cs-N|en-2}} [[Fajl:Usti_skala.jpg|thumb|Ja proizhodžu iz [[Ústí nad Labem|{{-|Ústí nad Labem|Усти над Лабем}}]].]] Pozdrav! Moje imeno jest ''Marek Poláček'', ja jesm iz [[Čehija|Čehije]] i govorim češskym jezykom kako mojim rodnym jezykom i anglijskom jezykom na posrědnje uravnji. Ja proizhodžu iz [[Ústí nad Labem|{{-|Ústí nad Labem|Усти над Лабем}}]], grada iz sěvera [[Bohemija|Bohemije]], ale ja v dany moment živu v [[Ostrava|Ostravje]], grada iz sěvera [[Morava|Moravy]] i [[Slezk]]a. Posrědstvom medžuslovjanskogo slovnika ja hoču prěkladati članky iz češskogo jezyka do medžuslovjanskogo. Veče informacij budut postupno dopolnjenje. == Moje stranice == * [[/Pěskovišče/]] — Tut ja razvivaju članky i šablony dlja medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. == Moje koristničske šablony == * [[/Zaglavje pěskovišča/]] — koristničsky šablon dlja označenje prazdnogo pěskovišča <!-- Interviki --> [[cs:Wikipedista:Polda18]]<!-- češsky jezyk --> [[en:User:Polda18]]<!-- anglijsky jezyk --> [[pl:Wikipedysta:Polda18]]<!-- poljsky jezyk --> [[sk:Redaktor:Polda18]]<!-- slovačsky jezyk --> ace8814nnrgxgkxqaw0mp7s434sv7va 28735 28734 2026-07-15T08:04:56Z Polda18 18 zabluda 28735 wikitext text/x-wiki <noinclude>{{/zaglavje}} {{Koristničska stranica}} </noinclude>{{#Babel:cs-N|en-2}} [[Fajl:Usti_skala.jpg|thumb|Ja proizhodžu iz [[Ústí nad Labem|{{-|Ústí nad Labem|Усти над Лабем}}]].]] Pozdrav! Moje imeno jest ''Marek Poláček'', ja jesm iz [[Čehija|Čehije]] i govorim češskym jezykom kako mojim rodnym jezykom i anglijskom jezykom na posrědnje uravnji. Ja proizhodžu iz [[Ústí nad Labem|{{-|Ústí nad Labem|Усти над Лабем}}]], grada iz sěvera [[Bohemija|Bohemije]], ale ja v dany moment živu v [[Ostrava|Ostravje]], grada iz sěvera [[Morava|Moravy]] i [[Slezk]]a. Posrědstvom medžuslovjanskogo slovnika ja hoču prěkladati članky iz češskogo jezyka do medžuslovjanskogo. Veče informacij budut postupno dopolnjene. == Moje stranice == * [[/Pěskovišče/]] — Tut ja razvivaju članky i šablony dlja medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. == Moje koristničske šablony == * [[/Zaglavje pěskovišča/]] — koristničsky šablon dlja označenje prazdnogo pěskovišča <!-- Interviki --> [[cs:Wikipedista:Polda18]]<!-- češsky jezyk --> [[en:User:Polda18]]<!-- anglijsky jezyk --> [[pl:Wikipedysta:Polda18]]<!-- poljsky jezyk --> [[sk:Redaktor:Polda18]]<!-- slovačsky jezyk --> 8a5ok878pq75sb78meif2cxjn9g4opz 0 4620 28728 27449 2026-07-15T07:36:25Z MwGamera 13 ě 28728 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Aleksej Aleksandrovič Gubanov''' ({{Jezyky|ru|Алексей Александрович Губанов}}, urodženy 30 marca 1992 goda v [[Novokuzneck]]u, [[Rosija]]), takože je izvěstny pod psevdonimom {{-|''JesusAVGN''}}, {{-|''Jesus''}} ili ''Hesus''. [[Rosija|Rosijsky]] videobloger na {{-|[[YouTube]]}}<ref>{{Cite web | url=https://youtube.com/@JesusAVGN/ | title="JesusAVGN" na {{-|YouTube}}}}</ref> i strimer na {{-|[[Twitch]]}}<ref>{{Cite web | url=https://twitch.tv/jesusavgn/ | title="JesusAVGN" na {{-|Twitch}}}}</ref> i {{-|[[Kick]]}}<ref>{{Cite web | url=https://kick.com/JesusAVGN/ | title="JesusAVGN" na {{-|Kick}}}}</ref>. Stvoril kanal na {{-|YouTube}} ješče v 2012 godu, pozdněje na {{-|[[Twitch]]}}. Dělal raněje videa v žanrě {{-|[[Let's Play]]}}, něktore s učestjem blogera [[Andrej Nifjodov|Nifjodova]], tutčas strimuje igry i ogledaje različne videa na {{-|YouTube}}. Od 2022 goda aktivno kritikuje vladu v Rosiji za [[Росијскы напад в Украјину|vojnu v Ukrajině]], zajmaje se poddržkoju Ukrajiny. Od 2021 goda proživaje v [[SŠA]]. 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Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija uže istnuje tri sedmice, ale někoje věči cěly čas ješče ne rabotajut kako trěba. Jesm o tom postavil pytanja [[Besěda s koristnikom:Jon Harald Søby|tu]], ale Jon Harald Søby ne odgovarjaje. Zato imaju prosbu: či mogli byste pozrěti, ibo može vy takože něčto znajete o tyh problemah. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:53, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] Ja dnes zagrǫžu patche, prověrite ih na pogrěšky i napišite, li možno vnedriti izměnu. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 14:50, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) lci8rhj95ywc84tfvw1h96otbpwnjnv 28701 28662 2026-07-14T22:20:29Z IJzeren Jan 9 /* Pytanje */ Odgovor 28701 wikitext text/x-wiki == Dobrodošli! == {{Dobrodošli}} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:32, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) == Pytanje == Zdravo Vadyme! Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija uže istnuje tri sedmice, ale někoje věči cěly čas ješče ne rabotajut kako trěba. Jesm o tom postavil pytanja [[Besěda s koristnikom:Jon Harald Søby|tu]], ale Jon Harald Søby ne odgovarjaje. Zato imaju prosbu: či mogli byste pozrěti, ibo može vy takože něčto znajete o tyh problemah. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:53, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] Ja dnes zagrǫžu patche, prověrite ih na pogrěšky i napišite, li možno vnedriti izměnu. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 14:50, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Dobro! Kogda one budut, dajte prošu znati, kde mogu je najdti. Hvala! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:20, 15 julij 2026 (CEST) 2v01a7w55er1c78xqh3ubxco3rmckz7 28740 28701 2026-07-15T08:47:06Z VadymTS1 172 /* Pytanje */ Odgovor 28740 wikitext text/x-wiki == Dobrodošli! == {{Dobrodošli}} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:32, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) == Pytanje == Zdravo Vadyme! Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija uže istnuje tri sedmice, ale někoje věči cěly čas ješče ne rabotajut kako trěba. Jesm o tom postavil pytanja [[Besěda s koristnikom:Jon Harald Søby|tu]], ale Jon Harald Søby ne odgovarjaje. Zato imaju prosbu: či mogli byste pozrěti, ibo može vy takože něčto znajete o tyh problemah. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:53, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] Ja dnes zagrǫžu patche, prověrite ih na pogrěšky i napišite, li možno vnedriti izměnu. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 14:50, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Dobro! Kogda one budut, dajte prošu znati, kde mogu je najdti. Hvala! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:20, 15 julij 2026 (CEST) :::1 patch: [[gerrit:1310583]] [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 10:47, 15 julij 2026 (CEST) d3piz8atlrbsnfxri443mwak9kpyhda 28747 28740 2026-07-15T11:47:07Z IJzeren Jan 9 /* Pytanje */ Odgovor 28747 wikitext text/x-wiki == Dobrodošli! == {{Dobrodošli}} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:32, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) == Pytanje == Zdravo Vadyme! Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija uže istnuje tri sedmice, ale někoje věči cěly čas ješče ne rabotajut kako trěba. Jesm o tom postavil pytanja [[Besěda s koristnikom:Jon Harald Søby|tu]], ale Jon Harald Søby ne odgovarjaje. Zato imaju prosbu: či mogli byste pozrěti, ibo može vy takože něčto znajete o tyh problemah. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:53, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] Ja dnes zagrǫžu patche, prověrite ih na pogrěšky i napišite, li možno vnedriti izměnu. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 14:50, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Dobro! Kogda one budut, dajte prošu znati, kde mogu je najdti. Hvala! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:20, 15 julij 2026 (CEST) :::1 patch: [[gerrit:1310583]] [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 10:47, 15 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Super! Ja [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/core/+/1310583/4..5/languages/messages/MessagesIsv_latn.php#b108 tu] vidžu samo jednu pogrěšku: pod 'Myuploads' zaměsto 'Moji_fajly' povinno je byti: 'Moje_fajly'. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:47, 15 julij 2026 (CEST) 1ujpxpo309rnjjd14bhbd2yom76cnbf 10 4761 28658 28639 2026-07-14T12:28:05Z Ilja isv 10 28658 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka | child = {{#ifeq:{{lc:{{if empty|{{{embed|}}}|{{{child|}}}}}}}|yes|yes}} | bodyclass = vcard | aboveclass = fn | abovestyle = background-color: #cbe; color:inherit; font-size: 125% | above = {{#ifeq:{{lc:{{if empty|{{{embed|}}}|{{{child|}}}}}}}|yes|| {{if empty|{{{name|}}}|{{PAGENAMEBASE}}}} }} | subheader1 = {{#if: {{{title|}}} |<!-- TITLETEXT SWITCH: EMBEDDED BY REALM (ALPHABETICALLY) --> ''{{{title|}}}'' {{{title_text|{{#switch:{{lc:{{{more}}}}} | no = | austria = ''[[:en:Emperor of Austria#Full titles|(vyše...)]]'' | belgium = ''[[:en:Monarchy of Belgium#Title|(vyše...)]]'' | britain = ''[[:en:Style 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Ilja isv 10 28665 wikitext text/x-wiki {{#if:{{{speaker|}}}{{{state_legislature|}}}{{{state_assembly|}}}{{{speaker_office|}}}{{{state_delegate|}}}{{{state_house|}}}{{{prior_term|}}}{{{nominee|}}}{{{candidate|}}}{{{termstart|}}}{{{election_date|}}}{{{majority_leader|}}}{{{minority_floor_leader|}}}{{{minority_leader|}}}{{{majority_floor_leader|}}}{{{jr/sr|}}}{{{succeeding|}}}{{{assuming|}}}{{{state|}}}{{{state_senate|}}}{{{district|}}}{{{ambassador_from|}}}{{{minister_from|}}}{{{order|}}}{{{office|}}}{{{title|}}}{{{country|}}}{{{constituency_AM|}}}{{{constituency_MP|}}}{{{parliament|}}}{{{assembly|}}}{{{constituency_|}}}{{{riding|}}}{{{term|}}}{{{termend|}}}{{{alongside|}}}{{{co-leader|}}} |{{#invoke:infobox|infoboxTemplate|child=yes|decat=yes | headerstyle = color: #202122; background:{{{color|lavender}}};line-height:normal;padding:0.2em; | datastyle = border-bottom:none | bodyclass = vcard {{{bodyclass|}}} | bodystyle = {{#if:{{{main_width|}}}|width: {{{main_width|}}}}} | child = 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Ilja isv 10 28669 wikitext text/x-wiki {{#if:{{{speaker|}}}{{{state_legislature|}}}{{{state_assembly|}}}{{{speaker_office|}}}{{{state_delegate|}}}{{{state_house|}}}{{{prior_term|}}}{{{nominee|}}}{{{candidate|}}}{{{termstart|}}}{{{election_date|}}}{{{majority_leader|}}}{{{minority_floor_leader|}}}{{{minority_leader|}}}{{{majority_floor_leader|}}}{{{jr/sr|}}}{{{succeeding|}}}{{{assuming|}}}{{{state|}}}{{{state_senate|}}}{{{district|}}}{{{ambassador_from|}}}{{{minister_from|}}}{{{order|}}}{{{office|}}}{{{title|}}}{{{country|}}}{{{constituency_AM|}}}{{{constituency_MP|}}}{{{parliament|}}}{{{assembly|}}}{{{constituency_|}}}{{{riding|}}}{{{term|}}}{{{termend|}}}{{{alongside|}}}{{{co-leader|}}} |{{#invoke:infobox|infoboxTemplate|child=yes|decat=yes | headerstyle = color: #202122; background:{{{color|lavender}}};line-height:normal;padding:0.2em; | datastyle = border-bottom:none | name = | above = | bodyclass = vcard <!--------Speaker of the House---------> | header1 = {{#if:{{{speaker|}}}| 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Ilja isv 10 28670 wikitext text/x-wiki {{#if:{{{speaker|}}}{{{state_legislature|}}}{{{state_assembly|}}}{{{speaker_office|}}}{{{state_delegate|}}}{{{state_house|}}}{{{prior_term|}}}{{{nominee|}}}{{{candidate|}}}{{{termstart|}}}{{{election_date|}}}{{{majority_leader|}}}{{{minority_floor_leader|}}}{{{minority_leader|}}}{{{majority_floor_leader|}}}{{{jr/sr|}}}{{{succeeding|}}}{{{assuming|}}}{{{state|}}}{{{state_senate|}}}{{{district|}}}{{{ambassador_from|}}}{{{minister_from|}}}{{{order|}}}{{{office|}}}{{{title|}}}{{{country|}}}{{{constituency_AM|}}}{{{constituency_MP|}}}{{{parliament|}}}{{{assembly|}}}{{{constituency_|}}}{{{riding|}}}{{{term|}}}{{{termend|}}}{{{alongside|}}}{{{co-leader|}}} |{{#invoke:infobox|infoboxTemplate|child=yes|decat=yes | title = | headerstyle = color: #202122; background:{{{color|lavender}}};line-height:normal;padding:0.2em; | datastyle = border-bottom:none | bodyclass = vcard <!--------Speaker of the House---------> | header1 = {{#if:{{{speaker|}}}| 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