Wikiquote nowikiquote https://no.wikiquote.org/wiki/Hovedside MediaWiki 1.48.0-wmf.3 first-letter Medium Spesial Diskusjon Bruker Brukerdiskusjon Wikiquote Wikiquote-diskusjon Fil Fildiskusjon MediaWiki MediaWiki-diskusjon Mal Maldiskusjon Hjelp Hjelpdiskusjon Kategori Kategoridiskusjon Undertekster Undertekstdiskusjon Modul Moduldiskusjon Arrangement Arrangementsdiskusjon 3 5213 28624 28611 2026-11-03T15:28:20Z Joreberg 4525 /* Order of categories */ Svar 28624 wikitext text/x-wiki == Donald Trump == Hi {{PAGENAME}}: I was wondering if you are planning on creating a [[Donald Trump]] page here? If so I just created an entry for it (I used google to translate from English to Norwegian): * [Tidligere president Trump] er for øyeblikket ikke tillatt på våre plattformer (inkludert nye innlegg med president Trump snakker). ** Facebook according to "[https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2021/03/31/facebook-donald-trump-interview-lara-trump-video-removed-capitol/4823121001/ Trump-video: Facebook skrubber Donald Trump-intervju med Lara Trump, siterer ubestemt forbud] " (31 mars 2021) Cheers, [[Bruker:Ottawahitech|Ottawahitech]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Ottawahitech|diskusjon]]) 1. apr. 2021 kl. 02:12 (CEST) :: Wow, you are really paying attention, seeing that I have done work on the Norwegian WikiQuote too! :-) :: No, I am not planning on creating a Donald Trump page on the Norwegian WikiQuote. Most Norwegians understand English quite well. After a meeting between our Prime Minister and Trump, many commented that she speaks better English than Trump does. https://www.bustle.com/p/trump-met-norways-erna-solberg-twitter-noticed-something-was-way-off-7853025 For most Norwegians, it will be more natural to read Trump quotes in the original language. :: Google Translate can be very useful, but the results can also look silly. When I very occasionally use humor on Wikipedia and Wikiquote, I try to do so in a more subtle manner to avoid jeapordizing the serious and reliable impression people have of these media, and also to avoid having entries being edited away :-) :: Considering today's date, I am a bit hesitant to accept suggestions right now :-) :: Anyway: Season's greetings to you! :: [[Bruker:Joreberg|Joreberg]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Joreberg|diskusjon]]) 1. apr. 2021 kl. 17:20 (CEST) ::: Let me reciprocate with a Wow, for being met by a friendly fellow-contributor :) ::: Back to [[Doanld Trump]]. do you realize that a search on this term produces this: [[Jan_Hanvold#Om_Donald_Trump]]? I doubt this represents most Norwegians' views on DT? I guess the question we should ask ourselves is who is the intended audience/readership of the Norwegian wikiquote: Is it norwegians only, or are there others who are coming here for information. Thanks for the bustle ref, very informative and Season's greetings to you too, Cheers, [[Bruker:Ottawahitech|Ottawahitech]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Ottawahitech|diskusjon]]) 2. apr. 2021 kl. 20:53 (CEST) (note date:) ::::Ooops, sorry for not noticing this messagage. An answer after so many years may still perhaps be slightly better than no answer!? ::::You are very right; the views Jan Hanvold has on Donald Trump and many other subjects are not very typical for Norwegians. The approval rate for DT in Norway was 9 % in a poll in 2024, and I have a strong feeling it has decreased since that. ::::In my view, the Norwegian wikiquote should be mainly in Norwegian language, except for special cases, like when Shaman Durek stated "I'm Norwegian!". This will limit the traffic from non-Norwegians. You have a point that there may be some non-Norwegians reading Norwegian Wikiquote, since automatic translation has become so good now. But for me personally I regard this as a small niche "market". [[Bruker:Joreberg|Joreberg]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Joreberg|diskusjon]]) 19. okt. 2026 kl. 19:36 (CEST) :::::<An answer after so many years> :::::Absolutely, comments such as yours are timeless. In any event I have never subscribed to the dogma that so-called thoughts-on-paper should be expired after a period of time. :::::Back to the topic: The approval ratings for DT in Norway in 2024 show that Norwegians are better at predicting the future, seeing that those ratings have been plummeting in the USA. I suspect, even though I have not seen any polls, that the same applies in Canada, but I hesitate to conclude this as a fact until I see some convincing statistics. I find that most people, including me unfortunately, tend to assume that most others around them have similar thought processes. :::::As far as the audience of the Norwegian Wikiquote I found an interesting page when drilling through the statistics link at the bottom of all pages here called Wikimedia Statistics. The page which is a map of the world in colors, shows Brazil as a country with top views of this wiki, much higher than the USA with a larger population. I wish I could find a page with per capita views, but it is very time consuming. :::::Cheers, [[Bruker:Ottawahitech|Ottawahitech]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Ottawahitech|diskusjon]]) 20. okt. 2026 kl. 16:26 (CEST) ::::::Thanks for the hint about the Wikimedia Statistics linke. I haven't been aware of this. ::::::Yes, it may seem surprising that Brazil is on the top of the list of Wikequote "users". ::::::Here are some observations and educated guesses: ::::::When I make updates in Wikipedia and Wikiquote, I have noted that search results on Google several times have referred to my updates within an hour after the updates. So the Google databases are at least in some cases or for some of the content following almost in real time what is happening on Wikipedia and Wikiquote. There are in principle two ways of achieving this: Either Wikipedia and Wikiquote can take initiative and inform Google more or less immediately when an update has been made, or the initiative can come from Google by reading some or all pages on Wikipedia or Wikiquote to check if there are any changes; a process called crawling. ::::::(The same argument applies for a handful of other search engines, in particular Microsoft Bing). ::::::I don't know which solution is being used in this case. But let me assume that crawling is being used. In this case, many or all pages will need to be crawled regularly. A crawler will for Wikipedia/Wikiquote seem to be in principle the same as a real human user who asks for a page by providing a URL, and gets a page as result. So a crawler "looks" like a user who "reads" a huge number of pages. ::::::I asked this question to the Google AI: "is some big internet search engine using crawlers placed in Brazil?" And this is the answer I got: ::::::Yes, major internet search engines explicitly route some of their crawling infrastructure through Brazil. ::::::While the vast majority of web crawling traffic originating from major engines traditionally comes from servers inside the United States, tech giants have expanded their localized global networks. ::::::• Microsoft (Bingbot): Microsoft explicitly states in its official Bing Webmaster Tools documentation that it utilizes designated IP blocks registered specifically to Brazil (such as the prefix 191.233.204.224/28) to run its crawler network. ::::::• Google (Googlebot): Google operates massive cloud data centers in São Paulo and has actively doubled its data center computing capacity in Brazil. While Google’s primary search crawlers generally route traffic from US-based endpoints, their unified crawling framework utilizes shared IP range feeds that dynamically draw from global edge locations, including Latin America. ::::::- - - - ::::::The next country on the top list on the statistics page you mentioned, is India. And when I asked the question I mentioned above for India, I got a similar answer. ::::::I don't really believe that thousands of humans in Brazil and India are extremely eagerly reading large parts of the Norwegian Wikipedia and Wikiquote, outnumbering Norwegians by a large factor. ::::::I feel 98 % certain that the "users" from Brazil and India are computers that are in a way "pretending" ("emulating" is the word used among technologists) to be real users, and I feel 90 % certain that this is for crawling (other options would be DDoS attacks or hackers trying to break in). ::::::[[Bruker:Joreberg|Joreberg]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Joreberg|diskusjon]]) 20. okt. 2026 kl. 18:14 (CEST) :::::::good point! I think, there is a breakdown somewhere of human :::::::/ bot contributions :::::::cheers [[Bruker:Ottawahitech|Ottawahitech]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Ottawahitech|diskusjon]]) 23. okt. 2026 kl. 18:58 (CEST) ::::::::Bot contributions TO Wiki* are well known and documented. These bots are made and monitored by Wikipedia editors and do good deeds, like including links to WaybackMachine to ensure that referenced web pages can be read even if they are deleted from their original web sites. ::::::::This is very different from bots/crawlers that pick up content FROM Wiki*, like the Brazilian and Indian search engine bots that were mentioned :-) ::::::::[[Bruker:Joreberg|Joreberg]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Joreberg|diskusjon]]) 26. okt. 2026 kl. 12:18 (CET) == Spring break (vårferie according to google translate) == Over at en-wikiversity we are talking about the connection between [[en:v:Talk:COVID-19#New_cases_spiking_across_the_world?|spring break and a potential rise in the number of COVID-19 cases]]. I was wondering how prevalent spring break is in the world and found this on [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1153162 wikidata], which has no entry for the Norwegian wikipedia. Any idea if [[en:w:spring break]] is widely celebrated in Norway? Cheers, [[Bruker:Ottawahitech|Ottawahitech]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Ottawahitech|diskusjon]]) 2. apr. 2021 kl. 20:51 (CEST) :The term "vårferie" is not common in Norway. But there are some vacation days connected with Easter, providing a long weekend from with vacation days from a Thursday to the following Monday, giving a week end with 5 days off instead of 2. The three days before the Thursday are referred to as "calm days" since many use some of their vacation days so they end up with a total of 11 days off from work, exploiting a combination of week ends, "calm days" and Easter. The schools are closed during the "calm days". [[w:Påskeferie]] :And May has several days off: Labor day May 1, the religious Ascencion day, and our Constitution day May 17. There is also another religious day celebrating something with Jesus again; I suspect an English name will involve something like Pentecost or Whitmonday. Most Norwegians are sufficiently religius to enjoy this Monday off from work, but not sufficiently religious to ask what is being celebrated :-) :You seem to have a surprisingly strong interest for Norway. Do you have some special connection to Norway? :[[Bruker:Joreberg|Joreberg]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Joreberg|diskusjon]]) 20. okt. 2026 kl. 18:35 (CEST) == Märtha Louise == Hi {{PAGENAME}}, Nice to see you around, it sure can get lonely here:) I have a question about [[Märtha Louise]]: do you know if I can I add [[:Kategori:Monarker]] to her page? My knowledge of monarchy issues is rather limited. Thanks in advance, [[Bruker:Ottawahitech|Ottawahitech]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Ottawahitech|diskusjon]]) 19. okt. 2026 kl. 16:32 (CEST) :Hi, [[User:Ottawahitech | Ottawahitech]]! Good to see that you are still around! :"Monarker" is plural of "monark". A monark is the ruling king or queen. Märtha Louise is absolutely not a monark :-) If there will ever be a significant risk that she will become monark, some say that Norwegian politicians will "quickly" change the Constitution and turn Norway into a republic :-) I believe she may be the third in the succession now, after Crown Princess Ingrid Alexandra and Prince Sverre. So far, Ingrid Alexandra seems to be well suited for the job, and also Prince Sverre is quite well behaved :-) :Märtha Louise is a part of "Kongefamilien", the Royal family in the sense of the extended family, based on kinship, but she is not a part of "Kongehuset", the set of Royals who open bridges and wave to people from the balcony of the Royal Palace on May 17. :Her husband and she have started a court case against people they claim have blemished their reputation by sharing personal information and perhaps also unsubstianted claims, partly in breach of Non Disclosure Agreements. They are demanding USD 80M+ in repairs. The allegations are mainly directed at some former friends and family members of him, but Wikipedia has also been mentioned in the court documents. So these days we should be extra careful to include only information that is very well proven. :Thank you for looking after things! :[[Bruker:Joreberg|Joreberg]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Joreberg|diskusjon]]) 19. okt. 2026 kl. 19:18 (CEST) == wikimedia errors == Hi {{PAGENAME}}, am I the only user getting very frequent wikimedia errors since yesterday? they show the logo of the wikimedia foundation and are followed by this text: :'''Error''' :'''This web service cannot be reached. Please contact a maintainer of this project...''' [[Bruker:Ottawahitech|Ottawahitech]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Ottawahitech|diskusjon]]) 22. okt. 2026 kl. 17:01 (CEST) :Answering my own question: :* '''Websites taken down worldwide as AI reveals critical cyber-security threat | BBC News''' :I finally figured out why I was experiencing so much trouble accessing wikimedia wikis. Google which I am sure I accessed during this time seemed to fare OK IIRC. Non of the wikimedia wikis showed me a banner with an explanation of what was going on; and I have not, yet, happened to see any talk pages that mention this. I have no idea, if my geographic region was hit harder of less than other regions. :btw talking about geographic regions, I got this message earlier today when trying to post a comment to a MediaWiki talk page: :* '''We are temporarily limiting... try again later.''' :Cheers, [[Bruker:Ottawahitech|Ottawahitech]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Ottawahitech|diskusjon]]) 24. okt. 2026 kl. 18:28 (CEST) == Order of categories == Hi {{PAGENAME}} I wonder if you think it is important to order categories at the bottom of articles alphabetically? If so, do you think this is something contributors here should be spending time on, or whether it is better to convince foundation developers to do it automatically (through a bot or whatever)? Thanks in advance, [[Bruker:Ottawahitech|Ottawahitech]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Ottawahitech|diskusjon]]) 2. nov. 2026 kl. 16:48 (CET) :Hi again! :If it's important to order categories alphabetically, then I am guilty of many misdemeanors :-) Sometimes I have copied categories from others, sometimes I have added new categories under existing lists, sometimes I have added categories based on what comes to my mind first (which might, but must not necessarily, correspond to "importance"), and there are also likely cases where I have nothing at all to say to my defense :-) :During a limited survey of Wikiquote and Wikipedia pages I did now, I found two sorted, two unsorted, and one almost sorted list :-) :I have never thought about listing categories alphabetically, but it's not a bad idea. Alphabetically is better than random. :My impression is that you know something about hitech, so if this is an issue that deserves attention, I support your suggestion of letting a bot take care of this. Sorting alphabetically is one of the things computers are good at. :What would end users prefer? The most important first? Joe Biden being listed among "Presidents of the United States" before "People from Scranton" or "Memoirists from the United States"? :TIMTOWDI - There Is More Than One Way to Do It. If some decision is made, I will likely be happy to follow the guidelines :-) :[[Bruker:Joreberg|Joreberg]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Joreberg|diskusjon]]) 3. nov. 2026 kl. 16:28 (CET) pn8tdpe3rbn1uufe2uyudp9acddzd3s 28625 28624 2026-11-03T17:58:48Z Ottawahitech 3667 /* Order of categories */ Svar (to be continued) later 28625 wikitext text/x-wiki == Donald Trump == Hi {{PAGENAME}}: I was wondering if you are planning on creating a [[Donald Trump]] page here? If so I just created an entry for it (I used google to translate from English to Norwegian): * [Tidligere president Trump] er for øyeblikket ikke tillatt på våre plattformer (inkludert nye innlegg med president Trump snakker). ** Facebook according to "[https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2021/03/31/facebook-donald-trump-interview-lara-trump-video-removed-capitol/4823121001/ Trump-video: Facebook skrubber Donald Trump-intervju med Lara Trump, siterer ubestemt forbud] " (31 mars 2021) Cheers, [[Bruker:Ottawahitech|Ottawahitech]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Ottawahitech|diskusjon]]) 1. apr. 2021 kl. 02:12 (CEST) :: Wow, you are really paying attention, seeing that I have done work on the Norwegian WikiQuote too! :-) :: No, I am not planning on creating a Donald Trump page on the Norwegian WikiQuote. Most Norwegians understand English quite well. After a meeting between our Prime Minister and Trump, many commented that she speaks better English than Trump does. https://www.bustle.com/p/trump-met-norways-erna-solberg-twitter-noticed-something-was-way-off-7853025 For most Norwegians, it will be more natural to read Trump quotes in the original language. :: Google Translate can be very useful, but the results can also look silly. When I very occasionally use humor on Wikipedia and Wikiquote, I try to do so in a more subtle manner to avoid jeapordizing the serious and reliable impression people have of these media, and also to avoid having entries being edited away :-) :: Considering today's date, I am a bit hesitant to accept suggestions right now :-) :: Anyway: Season's greetings to you! :: [[Bruker:Joreberg|Joreberg]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Joreberg|diskusjon]]) 1. apr. 2021 kl. 17:20 (CEST) ::: Let me reciprocate with a Wow, for being met by a friendly fellow-contributor :) ::: Back to [[Doanld Trump]]. do you realize that a search on this term produces this: [[Jan_Hanvold#Om_Donald_Trump]]? I doubt this represents most Norwegians' views on DT? I guess the question we should ask ourselves is who is the intended audience/readership of the Norwegian wikiquote: Is it norwegians only, or are there others who are coming here for information. Thanks for the bustle ref, very informative and Season's greetings to you too, Cheers, [[Bruker:Ottawahitech|Ottawahitech]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Ottawahitech|diskusjon]]) 2. apr. 2021 kl. 20:53 (CEST) (note date:) ::::Ooops, sorry for not noticing this messagage. An answer after so many years may still perhaps be slightly better than no answer!? ::::You are very right; the views Jan Hanvold has on Donald Trump and many other subjects are not very typical for Norwegians. The approval rate for DT in Norway was 9 % in a poll in 2024, and I have a strong feeling it has decreased since that. ::::In my view, the Norwegian wikiquote should be mainly in Norwegian language, except for special cases, like when Shaman Durek stated "I'm Norwegian!". This will limit the traffic from non-Norwegians. You have a point that there may be some non-Norwegians reading Norwegian Wikiquote, since automatic translation has become so good now. But for me personally I regard this as a small niche "market". [[Bruker:Joreberg|Joreberg]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Joreberg|diskusjon]]) 19. okt. 2026 kl. 19:36 (CEST) :::::<An answer after so many years> :::::Absolutely, comments such as yours are timeless. In any event I have never subscribed to the dogma that so-called thoughts-on-paper should be expired after a period of time. :::::Back to the topic: The approval ratings for DT in Norway in 2024 show that Norwegians are better at predicting the future, seeing that those ratings have been plummeting in the USA. I suspect, even though I have not seen any polls, that the same applies in Canada, but I hesitate to conclude this as a fact until I see some convincing statistics. I find that most people, including me unfortunately, tend to assume that most others around them have similar thought processes. :::::As far as the audience of the Norwegian Wikiquote I found an interesting page when drilling through the statistics link at the bottom of all pages here called Wikimedia Statistics. The page which is a map of the world in colors, shows Brazil as a country with top views of this wiki, much higher than the USA with a larger population. I wish I could find a page with per capita views, but it is very time consuming. :::::Cheers, [[Bruker:Ottawahitech|Ottawahitech]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Ottawahitech|diskusjon]]) 20. okt. 2026 kl. 16:26 (CEST) ::::::Thanks for the hint about the Wikimedia Statistics linke. I haven't been aware of this. ::::::Yes, it may seem surprising that Brazil is on the top of the list of Wikequote "users". ::::::Here are some observations and educated guesses: ::::::When I make updates in Wikipedia and Wikiquote, I have noted that search results on Google several times have referred to my updates within an hour after the updates. So the Google databases are at least in some cases or for some of the content following almost in real time what is happening on Wikipedia and Wikiquote. There are in principle two ways of achieving this: Either Wikipedia and Wikiquote can take initiative and inform Google more or less immediately when an update has been made, or the initiative can come from Google by reading some or all pages on Wikipedia or Wikiquote to check if there are any changes; a process called crawling. ::::::(The same argument applies for a handful of other search engines, in particular Microsoft Bing). ::::::I don't know which solution is being used in this case. But let me assume that crawling is being used. In this case, many or all pages will need to be crawled regularly. A crawler will for Wikipedia/Wikiquote seem to be in principle the same as a real human user who asks for a page by providing a URL, and gets a page as result. So a crawler "looks" like a user who "reads" a huge number of pages. ::::::I asked this question to the Google AI: "is some big internet search engine using crawlers placed in Brazil?" And this is the answer I got: ::::::Yes, major internet search engines explicitly route some of their crawling infrastructure through Brazil. ::::::While the vast majority of web crawling traffic originating from major engines traditionally comes from servers inside the United States, tech giants have expanded their localized global networks. ::::::• Microsoft (Bingbot): Microsoft explicitly states in its official Bing Webmaster Tools documentation that it utilizes designated IP blocks registered specifically to Brazil (such as the prefix 191.233.204.224/28) to run its crawler network. ::::::• Google (Googlebot): Google operates massive cloud data centers in São Paulo and has actively doubled its data center computing capacity in Brazil. While Google’s primary search crawlers generally route traffic from US-based endpoints, their unified crawling framework utilizes shared IP range feeds that dynamically draw from global edge locations, including Latin America. ::::::- - - - ::::::The next country on the top list on the statistics page you mentioned, is India. And when I asked the question I mentioned above for India, I got a similar answer. ::::::I don't really believe that thousands of humans in Brazil and India are extremely eagerly reading large parts of the Norwegian Wikipedia and Wikiquote, outnumbering Norwegians by a large factor. ::::::I feel 98 % certain that the "users" from Brazil and India are computers that are in a way "pretending" ("emulating" is the word used among technologists) to be real users, and I feel 90 % certain that this is for crawling (other options would be DDoS attacks or hackers trying to break in). ::::::[[Bruker:Joreberg|Joreberg]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Joreberg|diskusjon]]) 20. okt. 2026 kl. 18:14 (CEST) :::::::good point! I think, there is a breakdown somewhere of human :::::::/ bot contributions :::::::cheers [[Bruker:Ottawahitech|Ottawahitech]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Ottawahitech|diskusjon]]) 23. okt. 2026 kl. 18:58 (CEST) ::::::::Bot contributions TO Wiki* are well known and documented. These bots are made and monitored by Wikipedia editors and do good deeds, like including links to WaybackMachine to ensure that referenced web pages can be read even if they are deleted from their original web sites. ::::::::This is very different from bots/crawlers that pick up content FROM Wiki*, like the Brazilian and Indian search engine bots that were mentioned :-) ::::::::[[Bruker:Joreberg|Joreberg]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Joreberg|diskusjon]]) 26. okt. 2026 kl. 12:18 (CET) == Spring break (vårferie according to google translate) == Over at en-wikiversity we are talking about the connection between [[en:v:Talk:COVID-19#New_cases_spiking_across_the_world?|spring break and a potential rise in the number of COVID-19 cases]]. I was wondering how prevalent spring break is in the world and found this on [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1153162 wikidata], which has no entry for the Norwegian wikipedia. Any idea if [[en:w:spring break]] is widely celebrated in Norway? Cheers, [[Bruker:Ottawahitech|Ottawahitech]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Ottawahitech|diskusjon]]) 2. apr. 2021 kl. 20:51 (CEST) :The term "vårferie" is not common in Norway. But there are some vacation days connected with Easter, providing a long weekend from with vacation days from a Thursday to the following Monday, giving a week end with 5 days off instead of 2. The three days before the Thursday are referred to as "calm days" since many use some of their vacation days so they end up with a total of 11 days off from work, exploiting a combination of week ends, "calm days" and Easter. The schools are closed during the "calm days". [[w:Påskeferie]] :And May has several days off: Labor day May 1, the religious Ascencion day, and our Constitution day May 17. There is also another religious day celebrating something with Jesus again; I suspect an English name will involve something like Pentecost or Whitmonday. Most Norwegians are sufficiently religius to enjoy this Monday off from work, but not sufficiently religious to ask what is being celebrated :-) :You seem to have a surprisingly strong interest for Norway. Do you have some special connection to Norway? :[[Bruker:Joreberg|Joreberg]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Joreberg|diskusjon]]) 20. okt. 2026 kl. 18:35 (CEST) == Märtha Louise == Hi {{PAGENAME}}, Nice to see you around, it sure can get lonely here:) I have a question about [[Märtha Louise]]: do you know if I can I add [[:Kategori:Monarker]] to her page? My knowledge of monarchy issues is rather limited. Thanks in advance, [[Bruker:Ottawahitech|Ottawahitech]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Ottawahitech|diskusjon]]) 19. okt. 2026 kl. 16:32 (CEST) :Hi, [[User:Ottawahitech | Ottawahitech]]! Good to see that you are still around! :"Monarker" is plural of "monark". A monark is the ruling king or queen. Märtha Louise is absolutely not a monark :-) If there will ever be a significant risk that she will become monark, some say that Norwegian politicians will "quickly" change the Constitution and turn Norway into a republic :-) I believe she may be the third in the succession now, after Crown Princess Ingrid Alexandra and Prince Sverre. So far, Ingrid Alexandra seems to be well suited for the job, and also Prince Sverre is quite well behaved :-) :Märtha Louise is a part of "Kongefamilien", the Royal family in the sense of the extended family, based on kinship, but she is not a part of "Kongehuset", the set of Royals who open bridges and wave to people from the balcony of the Royal Palace on May 17. :Her husband and she have started a court case against people they claim have blemished their reputation by sharing personal information and perhaps also unsubstianted claims, partly in breach of Non Disclosure Agreements. They are demanding USD 80M+ in repairs. The allegations are mainly directed at some former friends and family members of him, but Wikipedia has also been mentioned in the court documents. So these days we should be extra careful to include only information that is very well proven. :Thank you for looking after things! :[[Bruker:Joreberg|Joreberg]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Joreberg|diskusjon]]) 19. okt. 2026 kl. 19:18 (CEST) == wikimedia errors == Hi {{PAGENAME}}, am I the only user getting very frequent wikimedia errors since yesterday? they show the logo of the wikimedia foundation and are followed by this text: :'''Error''' :'''This web service cannot be reached. Please contact a maintainer of this project...''' [[Bruker:Ottawahitech|Ottawahitech]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Ottawahitech|diskusjon]]) 22. okt. 2026 kl. 17:01 (CEST) :Answering my own question: :* '''Websites taken down worldwide as AI reveals critical cyber-security threat | BBC News''' :I finally figured out why I was experiencing so much trouble accessing wikimedia wikis. Google which I am sure I accessed during this time seemed to fare OK IIRC. Non of the wikimedia wikis showed me a banner with an explanation of what was going on; and I have not, yet, happened to see any talk pages that mention this. I have no idea, if my geographic region was hit harder of less than other regions. :btw talking about geographic regions, I got this message earlier today when trying to post a comment to a MediaWiki talk page: :* '''We are temporarily limiting... try again later.''' :Cheers, [[Bruker:Ottawahitech|Ottawahitech]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Ottawahitech|diskusjon]]) 24. okt. 2026 kl. 18:28 (CEST) == Order of categories == Hi {{PAGENAME}} I wonder if you think it is important to order categories at the bottom of articles alphabetically? If so, do you think this is something contributors here should be spending time on, or whether it is better to convince foundation developers to do it automatically (through a bot or whatever)? Thanks in advance, [[Bruker:Ottawahitech|Ottawahitech]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Ottawahitech|diskusjon]]) 2. nov. 2026 kl. 16:48 (CET) :Hi again! :If it's important to order categories alphabetically, then I am guilty of many misdemeanors :-) Sometimes I have copied categories from others, sometimes I have added new categories under existing lists, sometimes I have added categories based on what comes to my mind first (which might, but must not necessarily, correspond to "importance"), and there are also likely cases where I have nothing at all to say to my defense :-) :During a limited survey of Wikiquote and Wikipedia pages I did now, I found two sorted, two unsorted, and one almost sorted list :-) :I have never thought about listing categories alphabetically, but it's not a bad idea. Alphabetically is better than random. :My impression is that you know something about hitech, so if this is an issue that deserves attention, I support your suggestion of letting a bot take care of this. Sorting alphabetically is one of the things computers are good at. :What would end users prefer? The most important first? Joe Biden being listed among "Presidents of the United States" before "People from Scranton" or "Memoirists from the United States"? :TIMTOWDI - There Is More Than One Way to Do It. If some decision is made, I will likely be happy to follow the guidelines :-) :[[Bruker:Joreberg|Joreberg]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Joreberg|diskusjon]]) 3. nov. 2026 kl. 16:28 (CET) ::Thanks for replying.I asked this question because I noticed users on enwq seem to value an alphabetically sorted list of cats at the bottom of articles. I have to admit that it did not occur to me at the time took me awhile to understand why they were doing it. ::To me the value in categorization is (to be continued) [[Bruker:Ottawahitech|Ottawahitech]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Ottawahitech|diskusjon]]) 3. nov. 2026 kl. 18:58 (CET) bskgdirnr2hmfgcjjwpa0r12w44navf