Talk:Atheism

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This article is HIGHLY biased. Communist and free countries? Communists "want everybody to be atheist" so the "church can't compete with the state for power over the people"?

Keep feeding ignorance, jeez. Commies are evil, huh?

You mean it's not true? Blockinblox 18:34, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

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Blockinblox, I'm not saying anything. This is an encyclopedia, for crying out loud. It must show a NEUTRAL point of view. The article didn't. And yes, I modified the article, but thankfully, someone made a better modification. And sorry, I didn't sign earler --SWEVEN

I know this article is supposed to be written in a simple style, but that does not excuse red herrings about morality or other nonsense. For crying out loud, I am a Muslim and I am offended by the very obvious anti-atheist bias in this article. --Ibn Tumart 23:54, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Ibn, an admin deleted your comment before because it was considered a personal attack. And also, this is a Wiki; edit the page to make it better if you think it can be better. PullToOpen π/φ 02:10, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I understand that I went overboard---I modified my comment afterwards. Also, I did edit the page several times. --Ibn Tumart 07:03, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I added in a bit about strong atheism. Should I cite in the simple English articles? It doesn't seem to be needed. Anyhow, I'm getting that from the inverse of Voltaire's famous epigram, reinterpreted by Bakunin as "If God did exist, it would become neccessary to abolish him."

I also mentioned morality that draws itself from non-spiritual sources. It looks like all references to communism were removed from this page. I think Marx and similar materialists form the primary anti-theist persepctive and should be present in a NPOV form. 141.140.6.66 16:40, 25 October 2006 (UTC)Brendan

I removed the line about god meaning no freedom as it came across as 'not following a god because you dont like the outcome' which is basically the acception that a god exists but chosing not to follow him. Creol 17:20, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Uh, not at all. Despite what you may personally feel, the vast majority of hardline atheists hold this as their view. Please put it back in, or at least edit it to make sense while keeping the key to the opinion. I think Bakunin, in God and the State, talks about it (I'm paraphrasing here) as: "God is antithetical to freedom. But men can and must be free. Therefore, God cannot exist."
The radical/hardline atheist perspective is NOT that there's no proof of God. That's the soft atheist perspective. God cannot exist, argue hardliners. Brendan141.140.123.117 20:36, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

This is my first talk page edit in simple english. Should we write in simple english on talk pages, too? I'll try to do so. I think that the article is being nice on atheists. I think the article is saying that atheists have been treated badly. That is only one truth: atheists have also treated badly those people, who have believed in a god. Santtus 23:48, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Immorality vs. amorality

I'd just like to point out that the author(s) of the "Morals" section seem to have confused the concept of "immorality" (being immoral, or acting against morals and social rules held in common society) and the concept of "amorality" (being neither moral or immoral; ie, not holding moral beliefs, as is what was being discussed before talk of "immoral" begins). I think that the discussion of immorality being prevalent in any system of beliefs is confusing given the context of the discussion in the article.