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Tī-chia chò it-poaⁿ-sèng ê thó-lūn. Chhiáⁿ ē-kì-tit chhiam-miâ.
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[siu-kái] Kū thó-lūn
- Chhng-khò· 1: Kū thó-lūn khǹg-tiàm chia (2005 nî 6 go̍eh í-chêng)
- Chhng-khò· 2: Kū thó-lūn khǹg-tiàm chia (2005 nî 6 go̍eh ~ 12 go̍eh)
- Chhng-khò· 3: Kū thó-lūn khǹg-tiàm chia (2006 nî Chiaⁿ-goe̍h í-aū )
[siu-kái] About Article Deletion
Siūⁿ-beh chhiáⁿ-mn̄g góa nā-sī beh san-tî chi̍t-phiⁿ bûn-chiuⁿ, ài khì tó sin-chhéng leh?
Góa chit-má tng-leh siá chi̍t-phiⁿ bûn-chiuⁿ, ū iōng-tio̍h chi̍t-tiuⁿ tô·. Góa gôan-pún sī tôan .jpg khí-lâi, m̄-koh bóe-á chiah hoat-hiān tio̍h tôan .png ê phín-chit khah-hó. Chit-má tī-leh bûn-chiuⁿ lāi-té mā iōng ê sī .png. Siūⁿ-beh kā .jpg tî-tiāu, m̄-chai-iáⁿ ái khì tó sin-chhéng leh? Astroviolin Mar. 29th, 2006
- Astroviolin: Goá í-keng kā .jpg hit tiuⁿ thâi tiāu ah. Holopedia bo̍k-chêng bô siā-khu koat-tēng ê san-tû hong-hoat (hoan-gêng ta̍k-ke lâi kiàn-gī kái-chìn).
- Wikipedia hān-chè hêng-chèng jîn-oân ū san-tû koân (te̍k-koân). Lí ē-sái khì hit ia̍h sin-chhéng chò hêng-chèng jîn-oân. Goá kám-kak lí chiâⁿ ū oa̍h-la̍t, ū jia̍t-chêng, ū siūⁿ-hoat, mā ū kòng-hiàn (te̍k-pia̍t sī Wikipedia:Babel). M̄-koh...kóng si̍t--ê, goá kò-jîn bo̍k-chêng khó-lêng bē-tàng chi-chhî lí chò hêng-chèng jîn-oân. Goá kám-kak lí tùi Wikipedia ê bûn-hoà iáu bô kàu se̍k. Kí 1 ê lē: téng-koân
lí bô chhiam-miâ; piau-tê koh siá Eng-bûn--ê. Koh, lí mn̄g "ái khì tó sin-chhéng" piáu-sī lí bô chham-khó Wikipedia:Siā-lí mn̂g-chhùi-kháu lāi-bīn ê chu-goân (sui-jiân hit ia̍h chin ū kái-chìn ê khong-kan). Chìn-chêng mā ū lâng (góa) mn̄g lí thoân ê tô· ê pán-koân siáⁿ-khoán (Image talk:Rigoletto01.jpg), m̄-koh lí bô chhap a̍h-sī bô chù-ì tio̍h. Só·-í...sui-jiân góa tī Wikisource hit-pêng chi-chhî lí, si̍t-chāi góa kò-jîn ū chi̍t-sut-á pó-liû, chhiáⁿ lí koh chim-chiok--chi̍t-ē, hó bô? - A-giâu 07:32, 29 Saⁿ-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
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- Astroviolin tú-chiah ū pó· chhiam-miâ, góa tō kā hit pō·-hūn oē tiāu. A-giâu 07:33, 29 Saⁿ-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
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- A-giâu lí hó. Chin kám-siā lí ê kián-gī. Chiam-tùi Wikisource ê tāi-chì, kî-si̍t góa chí-sī siūⁿ-beh pang-chō· i sêng-li̍p, mā-sī ē kiaⁿ lêng-le̍k bô-kàu. Nā-chún lí ē hóan-tùi, góa siūⁿ mā-sī chin ū tō-lí. Góa siūⁿ góa khì kā Bureaucrat candidates hit nn̄g-chōa tî-tiāu hó-ah, án-ne hó-bô?
- Lēng-gōa chiū-sī téng-kôan kóng ê chia-ê tāi-chì -- chhiam-miâ sī góa tú-á pó-chûn tio̍h hoat-hiān-tio̍h ah, má-siōng ū kái, khó-lêng lí hit-tang-chūn í-keng khai-sí hôe-hok góa ah, bô khòaⁿ-tio̍h.
- Piau-tê siá Eng-bûn sī in-ūi, góa khòaⁿ-tio̍h Eng-bûn ê sī hō-chò "Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion", jî-chhiáⁿ góa hoat-hiān tio̍h ū kúi-ā-ê Holopedia ê ia̍h mā-sī ē-ēng iōng Eng-bûn pán ê miâ chhōe-tio̍h, m̄-koh góa chhōe chit-ia̍h iû-koh chhōe-bô, só-í tio̍h iōng Eng-bûn tih mn̄g, chin pháiⁿ-sè bô khó-lū tio̍h. Lēng-gōa góa khí pa̍t-lâng ê thó-lūn ia̍h mā-sī ē iōng Tâi-gí í-gōa ê bûn-jī thó-lūn, gôan-pún sī in-ūi góa iáu-bōe-tàng phah POJ phah chiok-kín, m̄-koh koh siūⁿ-beh kā sî-kan iōng-lâi phah bûn-chiuⁿ, só·-í tio̍h bô i̍t-tēng iōng Tâi-gí ah. M̄-koh góa chit-má ū iōng khah-se̍k ah. Í-āu ē chīn-liōng iōng Tâi-gí.
- Koh-ū góa ē mn̄g chi̍t-kóa-á Wikipedia ê būn-tê, che mā-sī góa siōng-tōa ê būn-tê, góa sū-si̍t siōng sī chi̍t-pêng gián-kiù Wiki ê kè-kò· chi̍t-pêng lâi siá. Ū chin-chōe kè-kò· khò-lêng góa mā-sī iáu-bōe bong chheng-chhò. Che si̍t-chāi sī góa ái koh ka-iû ê só·-chāi.
- Image Talk ê tāi-chì chin sit-lé! Kî-si̍t...góa chit-má chiah chai... Góa kan-nā chú-ì tio̍h Opera hit-ia̍h, bōe-kì-chit khì kám-sī Image, góa ē khì hia pó hôe-tap!
- Í-siōng sī góa ê hôe-tap, kî-si̍t góa mā-sī koh-ū chin-chōe ê būn-tê beh mn̄g, mā hi-bāng lí ū tāi-chì tio̍h chhiūⁿ án-ne kā góa kóng tio̍h hó ah. Mā chin kám-siā lí it-ti̍t pang-chō góa! Lēng-gōa nā-sī hi-bāng góa khì kā Bureaucrat candidates thâi-tiāu, mā-sī ē-ēng ti̍t-chiap kā góa kóng :)
- --Astroviolin 21:54, Mar. 29th, 2006 (UTC+8)
- Astroviolin, chìn-chêng chú-iàu sī teh kóng Wikipedia hêng-chèng jîn-oân èng-kai ū ê ki-pún si̍t-koàn, bô èng-kai kóng tùi Wikisource khì; che sī góa ê m̄-tio̍h. Wikisource hong-bīn, góa í-keng ū piáu-sī chi-chhî, pau-koah lí chò koaⁿ-liâu (bureaucrat) ê tāi-chì. M̄-koh lí nā kám-kak in-ūi góa piáu-sī bô 100.00% khéng-tēng lí chêng kah taⁿ ê piáu-hiān, só·-í siūⁿ beh thòe-soán, che tong-jiân sī lí ê chū-iû. Chóng--sī góa hi-bāng lí kè-siok lo̍h-khì; góa siong-sìn che m̄-sī "lêng-le̍k" ê būn-tê, sī keng-giām iáu bô-kàu. Che Holopedia khó-lêng mā ū chek-jīm: góa kám-kak bo̍k-chêng Holopedia ê khoân-kéng khah oh pôe-ióng "wiki ê siā-khu bûn-hòa". Tōa-pō·-hūn lâng ē ji̍p-lâi tah bûn-chiuⁿ, tàu chò kóa bûn-jī siu-kái ê khang-khòe, m̄-koh hán-tit teh chhap "siā-khu" ê ki-pún kiàn-siat, pau-koah án-choáⁿ koat-tēng tāi-chì, án-choáⁿ hêng-tōng, piau-chún ê hó-bái án-choáⁿ tēng, án-choáⁿ phoàⁿ-toān, chhiong-tu̍t án-choáⁿ kái, téng-téng. A-giâu 09:26, 30 Saⁿ-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
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[siu-kái] Thâu-ia̍h ê jī-bó sek-ín
Góa siuⁿ ben kái-iōng ThaujiSekin chit-ê pang-bô͘ chhú-tāi hiān-chhú-sî ê jī-bó sek-ín. Chit-ê pang-bô͘ sī lī-iōng Special:AllPages chò-ê. In-ùi MediaWiki iau bô-hoat chò "localized sort", Ū ê só͘-chāi hāu-kó m̄-sī chin-hó. M̄-koh, pí chit-má iōng "chhiú-kang" cheng-ka ê sek-ín, èng-kai ū khah iâⁿ-kòa. Ē-kha sī chit-ê pang-bô͘ hián-sī chhut--lâi ê khóan:
0 · 1 · 2 · 3 · 4 · 5 · 6 · 7 · 8 · 9 · A ( Á À Â Ā A̍ ) · B · C · Ch · Chh · D · E ( É È Ê Ē E̍ ) · F · G · H · I ( Í Ì Î Ī I̍) · J · K · Kh · L · M ( M̄ ) · N · Ng · O ( Ó Ò Ô Ō O̍ ) · P · Q · R · S · T · Th · U ( Ú Ù Û Ū U̍) · V · W · X · Y · Z · · · Só͘-ū ê ia̍h
M̄-chai ta̍k-ke kám-ka án-chóaⁿ ? Pektiong 12:49, 30 Saⁿ-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- Ū tō-lí. A-giâu 09:27, 31 Saⁿ-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- Thâu-ia̍h chit-má kái iōng ThaujiSekin chit-ê pang-bô͘--a. M̄-koh, chit-ê pang-bô͘ pún-sin iû-gôan ū kái-chìn ê khong-kan. Nā tak-ke ū siaⁿ-mi̍h siūⁿ-hoat ōe-sài ti̍t-chiap liâu-lo̍h-khì kái Pektiong 14:21, 31 Saⁿ-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- M̄-chai ē-tit kái chò iōng HTML "menu" bô? Hong-hoat m̄-chai. A-giâu 12:18, 1 Sì-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- Thâu-ia̍h chit-má kái iōng ThaujiSekin chit-ê pang-bô͘--a. M̄-koh, chit-ê pang-bô͘ pún-sin iû-gôan ū kái-chìn ê khong-kan. Nā tak-ke ū siaⁿ-mi̍h siūⁿ-hoat ōe-sài ti̍t-chiap liâu-lo̍h-khì kái Pektiong 14:21, 31 Saⁿ-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] Eng-bûn kap Hôa-gú ê kài-siāu
Tī ji̍t-gí pán ê wikipedia ê thâu-ia̍h ū khan-khì A guide to Japanese Wikipedia chit-phiⁿ bûn-chiuⁿ. Lán sī-m̄-sī mā iōng Eng-bûn kap Hôa-gí siá Holopedia ê "ji̍p-mn̄g/kài-siāu" khǹg-tī meta, liáu àn thâu-ia̍h khan--kòe-khì ? Pektiong 14:21, 31 Saⁿ-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- Hôa-gí ū tō-lí. Eng-gí...m̄-chai neh. A-giâu 12:21, 1 Sì-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] Hoan-e̍k khang-khòe
Tâi-gí/Bân-lâm-gú lāi-bīn ū chin-chōe gōa-lâi gí lóng m̄-chai-iáⁿ án-chóaⁿ hoan-e̍k, góa chóe-kīn khai-sí kè-ōe ùi hoan-e̍k khai-sí chò. Góa ū khì Wiktionary seng chhì hoan kúi phiⁿ-á kok-ka miâ (chêng chhit-phiⁿ), góa hi-bāng í āu hoan-e̍k ê tāi-chì lóng ē-ēng tī Wiktionary thó-lūn, án-ne bān-bān-á lâi chò. Án-ne hó-bô? --Astroviolin: lâi chhōe góa lim ka-pi! 09:18, 3 Sì-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- Lēng-gōa, in-ūi góa mā koh tī-leh chhì-giām, góa sī àm-sǹg chiàu gōa-bûn ti̍t-chiap hoan i ê im, jî-chhiáⁿ góa chham-khó ê gí-giân sī Ji̍t-gí kap Eng-gí, án-ne si̍t-chāi kóng kí-lâi m̄-sī siōng chèng-khak ê hoan-hoat, só·-í hi-bāng ū koh khah hó ê siūⁿ-hoat ê lâng ē-ēng pang góa kái ^^--Astroviolin: lâi chhōe góa lim ka-pi! 09:45, 3 Sì-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- Kò-jîn hi-bāng lán chiām-sî mài chhap choan-iú-bêng-sû (lâng-miâ, tē-miâ) ê "im-e̍k" (transcription). Kā cheng-sîn hē tòa "sin" koan-liām ê hoan-e̍k téng-thâu. Khó-pí 寵物, 哈韓, 微波爐.... Góa kám-kak kā bûn-chiuⁿ sóa kòe lâi koh sóa kòe-khì koh sóa kòe lâi koh sóa kòe-khì chin "hoân", lōe-iông si̍t-chāi chi̍t-sut-á to bô kái-chìn, kan-na miâ teh kái nā-tiāⁿ. A-giâu 11:01, 3 Sì-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
Lán iōng Latin-jī siá, ū ê hó-chhù tō sī chioh Latin-jī ê jī bô būn-tê, m̄-bián chiàu tha̍k-im lâi "hoan-e̍k". Brunei ê hú-siâⁿ sī Bandar Seri Begawan, tō siá "Bandar Seri Begawan" tō hó. Mn̄g lí nā beh siá "Bán-lah-lú Se̍h-jī Be̍h-gā-oan" sī beh chhòng-siaⁿh?? Kám ū ke khah hó khoàⁿ? Hó liām? Hó kì?? Nā ū-lâng siá "Bàn-lā-jû-sé-lí-bē-kā-ôa-an", lí kám kóng i siá m̄-tio̍h?? "Ísland" hoan-e̍k chòe "Peng-tē", "Nederland" hoan "Kē-tē-kok", "Crna Gora" hoan "O·-soaⁿ" sī chiàu ì-sù hoan-e̍k; án-nē chò sī hó, in-ūi pat-chióng gú-giân tùi chiah ê kok-ka mā ū án-ne chò: Pays-Bas, Iceland, Montenegro. M̄-koh che kap chiàu tha̍k-im hoan-e̍k sī bô-kâng--ê. – Kaihsu 17:52, 3 Sì-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
Kaihsu sian-siⁿ lí hó. Góa tī-leh góa ê thó-lūn ia̍h ū kā-lí hôe-tap, mā kā hit-phiⁿ chóan kòe-lâi.:)--Astroviolin: lâi chhōe góa lim ka-pi! 07:02, 4 Sì-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
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- M... Góa kò-jîn ê siūⁿ-hoat: Kám-ū khah hó khóaⁿ? Sī bô... M̄-koh, kám ū khah hó liām, hó kì? Góa kám-kak: cho̍at-tùi sī ū. Nā m̄-sī in-ūi chit-ê hó-chhù, góa mā bòe án-ne khì chhōe ka-tī mâ-hôan (Jî-chhiáⁿ góa kò-jîn si̍t-chāi chiok bô kà-ì khòaⁿ liân-jī-hō (hyphens) =.=) Hoan-e̍k ê pit-iàu sèng tio̍h-sī -- ta̍k-ke lóng ē-tàng tha̍k ē chhu̍t-lâi! Kin-á-ji̍t chi̍t-phiⁿ bûn-chiuⁿ, hó-pí "Opera" hó ah, lāi-té iû-koh ū Eng-gí, iû-koh ū Italiano, iû-koh ū Tek-gí... Án-ne sī beh án-chóaⁿ thak-leh? Khó-lêng lí ē-hiáu thak, góa gián-kiù chi̍t-ê mā ē-hiáu thak, m̄-koh lāu a-kong, a-má leh? Sió ha̍k-seng leh? Múi chi̍t-ê lâng nā-sī bōe-hiáu thak, tio̍h o·-pe̍h thak (góa kám-kak bô chhì-khòaⁿ-māi hoan-e̍k, tio̍h ē kā būn-tê thoa-kàu sú-iōng ê sî, chit-ê sî chiah chin-chiàⁿ sī "o·-pe̍h-lâi"...) ho·-siōng m̄-chai tī kóng siáⁿ-mí, án-ne chiah sī lōan... Mái kóng kî-thaⁿ gí-giân, Bí-kok Ka-chiu-chiu-tiúⁿ "Arnold Schwarzenegger", ū gōa-chōe lâng kì-ē-tiâu? Ū gōa-chōe lâng ē-ēng tha̍k chèng-khak?
- Góa bô hoán-tùi hoan-e̍k, m̄-koh góa giâu-gî "im-e̍k" sī pit-iàu ê. Bân-lâm góa m̄-chai, Tâi-oân siā-hōe í-keng ū kiōng-sek lok chin chē chu-goân lo̍h-khì bú Eng-gí kàu-io̍k. Piáu-sī bī-lâi chha-put-to ta̍k-ê lâng to chē-chió ē-hiáu kóa "lò-lò-tn̂g" ê lâng-miâ, tē-miâ. (Si̍t-ché-siōng, Hàn-gí pun-sin mā sī ǹg to-im-chiat sû ê chhu-sè teh kiâⁿ.) Koh, Tâi-oân ê Lâm-tó gí-giân ê sû mā sī lò-lò-tn̂g. Lí jīn-ûi Arnold Schwarzenegger chió lâng kì ē tiâu. Che sī ha̍p-lí ê tî-gî, chin chē Ka-chiu ê Bí-kok lâng mā han-bām pheng-siá i ê miâ, sīm-chí kám-kak "Schwarzenegger" chin pháiⁿ liām. Tān-sī che bô piáu-sī i ê miâ m̄ sī Arnold Schwarzenegger. Mā bô piáu-sī siá Arnold Schwarzenegger tō tiāⁿ-tio̍h ài tha̍k Tang-kok Tek-gí im. Holopedia bô kui-tēng lí ài án-choáⁿ tha̍k miâ (tiāⁿ-tiāⁿ mā bô kiàn-gī). Lí nā beh tha̍k "Á-no·h Sī-oá-chian-gò" mā bô lâng ē kā lí tòng. M̄-koh it-tàn lí iau-kiû ta̍k-ê lâng tòe lí án-ne liām, che tō pìⁿ kong-kiōng sū-bū ah. Góa kám-kak Holopedia ê bo̍k-tek m̄ sī beh kui-hoān bī-lâi 100 tang ê Hō-ló-oē hoat-tián; che m̄ sī 5 ê lâng ē-tàng koat-tēng ê. Holopedia ê bo̍k-tek sī beh hō· lâng keng-kòe Tâi-gí, Bân-lâm-gí khì liáu-kái sè-sū. Che piáu-sī bûn-chiuⁿ ê lōe-iông chiah sī tē 1 iàu-kín, án-choáⁿ tha̍k gōa-kok miâ (kah pún-thó· gōa-gí miâ) sī chhù-iàu ê. Koan-hē lí siá koa-ke̍k tú tio̍h ê gōa-gí būn-tê: che khióng-kiaⁿ sī in-ūi lí (lán) bô poah-kang hoan-e̍k/kái-soeh hit-kóa m̄ sī choan-iú-bêng-sû ê ki-su̍t iōng-gí. A-giâu 09:43, 5 Sì-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- POJ sī La-teng jī-bó, kok-chè-hòa, bô m̄-tio̍h, m̄-koh bô tāi-piáu bô su-iàu kā im hoan-e̍k. Kî-thaⁿ ê gí-giân tī-leh chiap-siu miâ-sû ê sî, mā-sī ke-kiám ē kái chi̍t-ē. Pí-jû kóng Tek-gí tio̍h tiāⁿ-tiāⁿ ē kái ah, Eng-gí "sh" kái chò Tek-gí "sch"; Tek-kok miâ "Friedrich" kàu Eng-gí pián "Frederik"...téng-téng, chia ê lē lóng chin-chōe. Jî chhiáⁿ in ê gí-giân koh ū chin-tōa ê pō·-hūn siō-siâng, khòaⁿ-kí-lâi kán-á phin-im bô chha chin-chōe, m̄-koh mā bô piáu-sī bô hoan-e̍k ê pit-iàu.
- Au-Bí gí-giân ê sú-iōng-chiá ū chē-chē lâng ū su-iàu iōng tio̍h hiah ê miâ (ka-kī ū án-ne hō miâ), só·-í in chhiâu pheng-im sī chū-jiân ê le̍k-sú ián-piàn. Tâi-Bân siā-hōe bo̍k-chêng bô su-iàu tòe teh chò. Nā ū jú lâi jú chē lâng kā "Arnold" tha̍k chò "A-nó·-tek", "A-lú-nó·-tek" téng-téng, hit-chūn chiah iōng mā iáu ē-hù. Khó-pí góa bô hoán-tùi kiò chêng-1-ê kàu-chong Iok-hān Pó-lô II, in-ūi í-keng ū lâng án-ne hō ah ("Tân Pó-lô", Tiuⁿ Tāi-pi̍t). Ká-sú Arnold Schwarzenegger ū kong-kò i chèng-sek ê Hō-ló miâ, góa mā bô ì-kiàn. Góa chí-sī kám-kak Holopedia ê "jīm-bū" m̄ sī beh kà lâng án-choáⁿ tha̍k gōa-kok miâ, nā beh chò, ke̍k-ke sī "kiàn-gī" nā-tiāⁿ. A-giâu 10:08, 5 Sì-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- Hoat-kiàn Eng-gí kàu-taⁿ iá bô hoat-tō· koat-tēng sī "Frederik" iah-sī "Frederick", sui-jiân tho̍k-im sio siâng. A-giâu 10:15, 5 Sì-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- Hoan-e̍k sī pit-iàu ê. Bô kan-a in-ūi hó kì, hó thak, koh-ū chi̍t hāng tio̍h-sī -- La-teng gí-hē ê gí-giân, chū-iú chi̍t-thò chò-jī-hoat. Prefix, suffix, root, kap kî-thaⁿ gí-giân lāi ê piàn-hòa. Só·-í in tī-leh khòaⁿ tio̍h kî-thaⁿ gí-giân ê iōng-gí ê sî leh, tio̍h sǹg kóng bōe-hiáu, mā-sī ē-ēng ke-kiám ioh chi̍t-ē. M̄-koh túi góan lâi kóng...Nā-sī bô hoan-e̍k, kam-kóng múi chi̍t ê lâng, kám-kóng lóng ài ē-hiáu chia-ê kui-chek chiah ē-ēng lâi khòaⁿ bûn-chiuⁿ leh? Hó-pí góa siá ê Koa-kio̍k lāi-bīn, "Tàn-seng" hit tōaⁿ, ū chi̍t chōa "Tī-leh Mantova ê Gonzaga hú-tē kah Vicenza chiah-ê só·-chāi, lóng-ū ián kòe Pastorale kah Intermedio ê kì-chài." Nā-chún kin-á-ji̍t góa sī chi̍t-ê bōe-hiáu Italiano ê Bí-kok-lâng hó-ah: góa khòaⁿ-tio̍h "Pastorale" sui-jiân m̄-chai i sī tī-leh tó chi̍t-ê sî-kî, tó chi̍t-ê só·-chāi hoat-seng ê siáⁿ-mi̍h, m̄-koh góa tio̍h ē ioh kóng i khó-lêng sī kap chhân-hn̂g ū-koan-hē; sio-kâng, sui-jiân m̄-chai "Intermedio" sī siáⁿ, mā-sī ē-ēng ioh kóng khó lêng sī bō· kap bō· chi-kan ê siáⁿ-mi̍h mi̍h-kiāⁿ. M̄-koh lâi kàu Tâi-gí, kám-kóng hoan chò "Chhân-hn̂g-kio̍k", "Bō·-kan-kio̍k" bô kah hó? M̄-sī ta̍k-ke chi̍t khòaⁿ tio̍h chai? Siá gôan-bûn sī-m̄-sī siat-tēng sī ta̍k-ke lóng-ū it-tēng ê têng-tō·?
- To·ng-jiân téng-kôan chit-tōaⁿ kah ū-koan ì-e̍k, góa mā chai-iáⁿ Peng-tē, Kē-tē-kok chia-ê sī ì-e̍k, kap thâu-chêng ê im-e̍k bô saⁿ sio-kâng, m̄-koh góa beh kóng-ê sī: im-e̍k ia̍h-hó, ì-e̍k mā-hó, lóng-sī ū e̍k khah hó. Kin-á-ji̍t im-e̍k ê kiat-kó bô bóan-ì, ē-ēng ōaⁿ lēng-gōa chi̍t-ê im, bô nā-sī siūⁿ-tio̍h chiok-hó ê ì-e̍k hong-sek mā-sī chin hó. M̄-koh kóng-lâi-kóng-khì.....Ia̍h sī ū e̍k khah hó.:) Che sī góa ê khòaⁿ-hoat.
- --Astroviolin: lâi chhōe góa lim ka-pi! 18:56, 3 Sì-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- Pó·-chhiong chi̍t-ē: góa kám-kak bô hoan-e̍k kán-á sī siat-tēng múi chi̍t-ê lâng lóng ē-ēng khòaⁿ ū, liām ē chhu̍t-lâi. M̄-koh éng-kai kî-si̍t bô siáⁿ khó-lêng... Siūⁿ-khóaⁿ-māi nā bô hoan-e̍k ē hoat-seng siáⁿ-mi̍h tāi-chì -- ta̍k-ke tī-leh thó-lūn sim-ê mi̍h ê sî, it-teng tha̍k-tha̍k-leh hoat-hiān tio̍h pháiⁿ liām ê sî, bōe-chêng-bōe tio̍h ē sú-iōng Hôa-gí im-e̍k ê hoan-e̍k. Nā bô, kàu-hōe lāi-bīn ná-ē tio̍h kā "John" hoan-chò "Io̍k-hān"? Kā "Babel" hoan-chò "Pa-pia̍t"? Nā-sī bô-lâng gián-kiù hoan-e̍k, chia ê tāi-chì mā-sī ē it-tēng tiāⁿ-tiāⁿ hoat-seng. Ūi siáⁿ-mi̍h leh? In-ūi ū iōng chhin-chhiùⁿ ka-tī ê gí-giân ê liām-hoat im-e̍k kòe ê gí-giân, chin-chiàⁿ ū khah-hó kì, hó liām. Só·-í nā-chún Hôa-gí ū ê sû, Tâi-gí bô, it-poaⁿ lâng it-tēng sī khì kā Hôa-gí ê sû chóan hoan kòe lâi... Án-ne kám-ū khah-hó? "John" pián-chò "Io̍k-hān"?? Tó-ūi ū "k" ê im leh?? "Babel" ná-ē hoan-chò "Pa-pia̍t" leh?? "t" ê im tī tó-ūi?? (Tong-jiân góa sī kú-lē niâ, chit-má èng-kai sī bô-kó-lêng khì tāng Sèng-keng lāi-bīn ê miâ.)
- Wiki sī chi̍t-ê chiok hong-piān ê só·-chāi, lāi-bīn ê chu-liāu lóng ē-ēng hō·-siōng liân-lâi-liân-khì. Khò chit-ê ki-su̍t kî-si̍t góan ē-ēng kā chu-liāu chéng-lí lia̍t-pió kah chiok-hó-ê. Múi chi̍t-phiⁿ bûn lāi ê sû thóng-it hoan-e̍k, liân-kia̍t kàu thóng-it chéng-lí ê lia̍t-pió, bô khòaⁿ bô ê tō-lí. Beh hoan chò-hóe hoan, beh kái tàu-tīn kái, góa kám-kak án-ne kah-hó. Ôan-chôan bô hoan, chí-ū koh-khah lōan. Che-sī góa kò-jîn siūⁿ-hoat. --Astroviolin: lâi chhōe góa lim ka-pi! 20:06, 3 Sì-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- M... Góa kò-jîn ê siūⁿ-hoat: Kám-ū khah hó khóaⁿ? Sī bô... M̄-koh, kám ū khah hó liām, hó kì? Góa kám-kak: cho̍at-tùi sī ū. Nā m̄-sī in-ūi chit-ê hó-chhù, góa mā bòe án-ne khì chhōe ka-tī mâ-hôan (Jî-chhiáⁿ góa kò-jîn si̍t-chāi chiok bô kà-ì khòaⁿ liân-jī-hō (hyphens) =.=) Hoan-e̍k ê pit-iàu sèng tio̍h-sī -- ta̍k-ke lóng ē-tàng tha̍k ē chhu̍t-lâi! Kin-á-ji̍t chi̍t-phiⁿ bûn-chiuⁿ, hó-pí "Opera" hó ah, lāi-té iû-koh ū Eng-gí, iû-koh ū Italiano, iû-koh ū Tek-gí... Án-ne sī beh án-chóaⁿ thak-leh? Khó-lêng lí ē-hiáu thak, góa gián-kiù chi̍t-ê mā ē-hiáu thak, m̄-koh lāu a-kong, a-má leh? Sió ha̍k-seng leh? Múi chi̍t-ê lâng nā-sī bōe-hiáu thak, tio̍h o·-pe̍h thak (góa kám-kak bô chhì-khòaⁿ-māi hoan-e̍k, tio̍h ē kā būn-tê thoa-kàu sú-iōng ê sî, chit-ê sî chiah chin-chiàⁿ sī "o·-pe̍h-lâi"...) ho·-siōng m̄-chai tī kóng siáⁿ-mí, án-ne chiah sī lōan... Mái kóng kî-thaⁿ gí-giân, Bí-kok Ka-chiu-chiu-tiúⁿ "Arnold Schwarzenegger", ū gōa-chōe lâng kì-ē-tiâu? Ū gōa-chōe lâng ē-ēng tha̍k chèng-khak?
Goá bô hóan-tùi chiàu ì-sù hoan-e̍k: pastorale → chhân-hn̂g-kio̍k. Góa hóan-tùi--ê sī sin ê bêng-sû chiàu tha̍k-im hoan-e̍k. Nn̄g hāng tāi-chì m̄-thang lām chò-hóe thó-lūn. Chiàu tha̍k-im hoan-e̍k sī ke-pô, ke-gia̍h, koh giâ-kê. Chiàu tha̍k-im hoan-e̍k í-keng ū tī Holopedia chhì--kòe ah, í-keng hō· lâng hóⁿ-ko̍at: Talk:Karl Marx, Talk:Marx-Lenin-chú-gī, Wikipedia talk:Siá-chok ê kui-hoān#Lâng-miâ: Siáⁿ-mi̍h sī "Hàn" miâ?, Wikipedia:Siá-chok ê kui-hoān#Gōa-lâi-gú. Arnold Schwarzenegger, Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch sī pún-lâi tō pháiⁿ-kì, m̄-sī hoan-e̍k ê būn-tê. Góa bô-ài koh kóng; beh hoan-e̍k lí kā-kī khì hoan-e̍k. – Kaihsu 13:12, 4 Sì-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- Kám-siā lí ê hôe-tap. Góa liáu-kái ah.--Astroviolin: lâi chhōe góa lim ka-pi! 14:01, 4 Sì-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] Khoàⁿ Holopedia sî ê jī-hêng
Thó-lūn í-keng sóa khì MediaWiki_talk:Monobook.css. Lô-hoân khì hit-tah gī-lūn Holopedia ê jī-hêng. A-giâu 05:13, 11 Sì-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] Wiki Tô·-su-kóan ê sin-chhéng
Góa í-keng ū seng siá chi̍t-ia̍h chhut-lâi, tī Main Page:Bân-lâm-gú chia. Án-ne ta̍k-ê khòaⁿ hó-bô? Ia̍h-sī ài seng siá kúi phiⁿ-á chhì-khòaⁿ-māi? Lēng-gōa, góa mā ū khì sin-chhéng ê só·-chāi ka-ji̍p liân-kia̍t ah.--Astroviolin: lâi chhōe góa lim ka-pi! 08:19, 4 Sì-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] 台灣維基人的全國性社團相關事宜
台灣維基人正在籌備一個全國性社團,有一些事情要請大家一起來參與。現在正在進行的討論與投票有:
此外,現在發起人人數已經跨越30人門檻,不過,人民團體法和社會團體許可立案作業規定都沒有規定人數上限,因此想加入發起人名單中的伙伴請繼續簽名。
至於身份證影本,原本打算請各位在社團名稱確定後,在身份證影本上註明「專供*****使用」字樣郵寄給我,但是剛才去翻申請組織全國性社會團體須知(Word檔)才發現先前漏看一個規定,發起人名冊除了需要發起人的資料並且附上身份證之外,還要有發起人親自簽章。所以,郵寄身份證變得沒有意義了。因此,我將安排幾次發起人聚會(可能北中南各一次),讓大家帶身份證過來並簽章。
對這個社團的籌備事宜,如果有任何意見,請到相關頁表達,如果找不到相關頁面,就到Talk:Wikimedia Taiwan留言。
[siu-kái] 228 手牽手
(Sorry if there is a better place to post this.) Can someone translate this into Pe̍h-ōe-jī (POJ)? I'm learning this song.
一蕊花 生落地 爸爸媽媽疼尚多 風那吹愛甲被 毋通乎伊墮落黑暗地 勿開的花 需要你我的關心 乎伊一片生長的土地 手牽手心連心 咱站作伙 伊是咱的寶貝
--71.142.70.251 (x-posted)
- See User_talk:71.142.70.251. For future requests, you might want to consider visiting Wikipedia:Tāi-sài-koán. 211.72.108.2 06:03, 6 Saⁿ-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] 建議漢/羅並用
閩南語的維基百科實在是很難閱讀,相對於其他語言 有沒有辦法拼音和中文並用啊,就如同日文中夾雜平假名和漢字一般 據我所知,日本當初也想用五十音的拼寫來完全取代漢字.....但後來覺得不行....
- 有許多人採並用的方式書寫,即所謂的「漢羅」,但目前有些技術性的問題需面對:
- 漢字選用原則不只一套,以致於漢字用字不一致(未標準化);
- 漢/羅比例是相關的問題:有些人漢字用比較多,有些人羅馬字用比較多(日文或許有類似的問題);
- Wikipedia是「共筆」(collaborative)的環境,漢羅不一致可能會導致無法共筆。
- 羅馬拼音固然有其特有的問題,但至少不需要煩惱漢字選用問題以及漢羅比例問題,編輯者大部分的時間可用於構思文章之實質內涵等寫作問題上面。
- 附帶價值:由於網路使用者一般年紀青、母語能力比較有限,羅馬拼音可以幫助編輯者矯正彼此的發音以及避免寫作內涵過度華語化(被北京語漢字牽著走)。
- 或許以後可以使用軟體半自動漢字化。
- 不赞成半自动汉字化. 我想, 以后愿意用汉字方言或罗汉混的大众一定会超过纯罗的象牙塔用户. 我提倡先用汉罗混写文章, 然后人手转写为纯罗版本, 用翻页将两版本紧紧连在一起. Penkyamp
- 以上純屬個人意見。
- A-giâu 14:11, 14 Saⁿ-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
Phainn-sei, 我 e 羅馬字能力實在 be sai ci, 並且 bo 了解 jia 所用 e 標音調方式. 請原諒. 簡單 gong, 我 ma 是認為應當漢羅 coh-hue(一起) 用, 但是 tue cit-kua 字應當用漢字, 我是感覺應該由教育部審訂出 cit-tho 常用漢字, 仿照日本 e 例, A-ne lan jia e-tang 有標準 thang wa-kho.....
M-ko li he jin-jing, Lan 網路社群實在是 e-tang ka-li 先約定出 chit-kua 常用漢字. 用來做為 Ho-lo 話 wiki e 標準. 全羅 e 白話字, 對 jim-ma e 少年lang 來 koong, 實在是 bo-huat-to 簡單 tio khuann-wu e. Edcat 07:24, 28 Cha̍p-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] 儂着把漢字搶囬來!!!
本人是大陸概閩南語用戶,但是我基本看不懂這是在寫什么。我建議可以學粵語用主要漢字,再造幾個閩南語漢字(盡可能少,建議加強考證表達閩南話漢字),組成屬于儂概閩南語維基百科。
比如首頁“汝會曉講閩南語是無? 真好!若安呢,汝敢知影全世界講閩南語的儂攏總有偌儕,到底攏啥物所在的儂咧講閩南語咧?著!汝有影誠內行,咱閩南語主要著是分佈佇:福建南部(廈門、漳州、泉州)、臺灣、潮州汕頭、雷州半島、海南島,佮浙江省的南部。上重要啲,咱閩南語會使講是國際語言,佇東南亞、美國、加拿大、歐洲...一四界攏會當聽著咱厝的聲音。根據統計,現時,全世界會曉講閩南語的儂超過5000萬,世界頂上儕儂講的言當中,閩南語排第21名。”阿呢毋是過好么。
阿呢好推廣儂概閩南語,也讓全世界概閩南粵東人(包括后裔)能看會曉儂概閩南語維基百科。
閩南話又叫做Hō-ló-oē,就是河洛話!儂正是正宗的漢族人,儂着把漢字搶囬來!!!漢字是儂概,毋是北京人概!!
We are NOT "河洛人". Our language is NOT "河洛話". We are native people, aborigines, of Southern Fujian and Taiwan. Please wake up.
儂着把漢字搶囬來!!!儂着把漢字搶囬來!!!儂着把漢字搶囬來!!!儂着把漢字搶囬來!!!67.15.34.252 05:14, 12 Gō·-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)cowboy800
- 即暫仔,ná 像愈來愈儕儂有咧致意閩南語維基百科(比論講樓頂即位)。不而過,chiah-ê 儂 ná 像透底攏無瞭解白話字是啥貨。現代儂大多數攏捌佇學堂(學校)接受過中文的教育,會捌「中文漢字」,雄雄beh叫in來看chiah-ê POJ 的符號,看 pān-sè 是真oh得通接受,佫咔免講來學、來寫、來看。我意思是講,管理員是呣是噯撥liâm-mi-á工,重親佫來思考即个問題,雖罔佇進前即款的問題互儂問過千萬擺啊……歹勢啦…其實我嘛知影,閩南語漢字猶未定型落來進前,即个問題暫時無答案。--limkianhui 14:38, 24 Sì-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- 我認為北京話漢字也並不是非常規範。經常隨便造字或假借。如“哦”“咋”“啥”“嗎”,假借如“之”假借為“的”,“無”假借為“沒”等等。 北京話漢字尚且如此不規範,閩南話漢字何不先用下。之后慢慢完善。67.15.34.252 05:14, 12 Gō·-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)Cowboy80
[siu-kái] 每个罗马字版本应该有对应的汉字版本
我认为, 这样才可以使在汉字教育下长大, 但讲方言的大多数同胞对本百科全书产生最大共鸣. 至于如何加入"对应版本", 我建议增设一个"汉字方言版本"的"翻页", 就如中文维基有"简体", "繁体"两个翻页一样. 但不要自动转换. 我建议人手把罗马字转写成汉字方言文. 有时也不需要用完全汉字文. 最理想的是汉罗混用文. 但有本字的尽量用汉字, 用了汉字效果不好的虚词可以用罗拼. 其目的是增加民众的共鸣, 把本百科全书从象牙塔向大众发展. Pangguanzhe
- 人手翻写,谈何容易。写汉罗的时候的确应尽量用本字。A-giâu 05:09, 7 Cha̍p-it-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] 转贴与牛冬于闽东维基之汉罗讨论
我本人不赞成把整个界面改成汉字方言版以喧宾夺主. 我认为罗马字, 在本维基中是"建瓯族群的民族文字", 正如韩谚是朝鲜民族的民族文字. 所以它们永远应该被放在"主"的地位. 但是, 放开汉字俗字撰写, 是从象牙塔向民众开放的开始, 是一种"世俗化"的"改革开放", 说不定会引来一个建瓯网络写作的春天. 当然, 我不敢想象牛先生用汉字俗字写作. 每个人都有自己擅长的输入和表达方式. 以牛先生的学院式严谨, 适合参加对大量汉字俗字文献的拉丁转写工作. 我也提倡尽量不要用汉语拼音来输入汉字. 多用五笔和仓颉. 用香港,日本输入法来写的人更要另眼相看! 关于汉罗混合的"不规范"看法, 我觉得情有可缘, 但不尽有说服力. 日本的汉字假名混用其实也是没有规范标准的. 爱用多少汉字就用多少. 其实这就造就了日本语文的一种"自由主义"的风格. 我对自由主义风格的语文如英,日,台湾混用,各国原著民的新兴口语文等, 和对比较规范严谨的语文如德,拉丁,梵等, 都同样地欣赏. 它们各有长处. 规范严谨的学术语文, 与自由主义的世俗语文, 可能是台湾闽南语文在未来的两个截然不同的发展方向吧! 有对比, 就有意想不到的成果. 这可能比韩国, 越南的统一规范拼音化要更有益. 未来的网络, 是自由主义的网络. 拼音会渐渐增加的. 但福建人要首先养成书写自己方言的习惯. 我与家人通信, 就从来不写规范现代汉语书面语.
[siu-kái] Proper way to read
- Chhiáⁿ-mn̄g, 清除 án-chóaⁿ siá?
- Góa û thiaⁿ lâng tha̍k
- 尊行 = chun-kiâⁿ
- 相愛 = saⁿ-thiàⁿ
- 作見證 = chòe kiàn-chèng
- Are these proper? This is how we read these. forgive me my poj, it's very basic. -- Hiòng-êng 01:08, 6 Sì-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- 清除 tha̍k "chheng-tû". Chit sû kán-ná khah chió lâng iōng (not a common word)?
- 相愛 chiàu jī tha̍k sī "siong-ài". "Saⁿ-thiàⁿ" ê "thiàⁿ" chhin-chhiūⁿ ū kúi-nā-chióng siá-hoat (相疼, etc.).
- 尊行 góa tha̍k "chun-hêng".
- A-giâu 11:55, 6 Sì-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
To-siā jí.. Sorry, I should have typed 遵行instead of 尊行. So, "Saⁿ-thiàⁿ" is "相疼" instead of "相愛"? Can "chòe kiàn-chèng" siá chòe "做見證"? -- Hiòng-êng 12:45, 6 Sì-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- 愛 eng-kai kan-taⁿ tha̍k "ài", "thiàⁿ" sī lēng-gōa 1 ê word. e.g. "góa ài i" kah "góa thiàⁿ i" ì-sù bô kâng. Ē-sái siá 做見證. A-giâu 08:46, 7 Sì-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] Ná-ē khoàⁿ-bô Charis SIL ê hāu-kó ?
Tī bāng-ia̍h siōng bīn-téng, ū siá kóng Kiàn-gī an Charis SIL, thèng-hó khoàⁿ khah súi-khùi.For optimal viewing, install the Charis SIL font (free), iah m̄-koh sī án-choáⁿ góa khoàⁿ bōe-tio̍h Charis SIL ? Góa mā-ū an Charis SIL neh, ia̍h-sī kóng to̍h-ài án-choáⁿ chhiâu chiah ē-tàng hō· jī-hêng pìⁿ-chòe Charis SIL? Góa chit-chūn khoàⁿ--tio̍h-ê, chiàu-goân sī Lucida Sans Unicode niā...--limkianhui 14:52, 24 Sì-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- Góa m̄-chai neh. Kám ū lâng chai goân-in? A-giâu 17:00, 8 La̍k-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] http://zh-min-nan.wikisource.org/
Bân-lâm-gú ê wikisource chhut-sì--a. Ū siáⁿ-mi̍h thang poaⁿ khì hit-ê bûn-hiàn-khò͘? Ta̍k-ke ū-êng bong siūⁿ. Pektiong 04:38, 8 La̍k-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
Barclay Sèng-keng? – Kaihsu 09:54, 8 La̍k-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- Góa chhiú-ni̍h bô Barclay Sèng-keng ê tiān-chú tòng-àn :( Pektiong 11:31, 8 La̍k-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
A-giâu ū. Kā i thó. – Kaihsu 16:09, 29 La̍k-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] Wiktionary 500 phiⁿ
Wiktionary tē 500 phiⁿ chhut-sì--à. [1] [2] Tāi-ke kiong-hí, kè-sio̍k phah-piàⁿ! --Chùn-hiàn 13:10, 15 La̍k-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] Beh kā tô· chiūⁿ-thoân khì Wikimedia commons
Chioh-mn̄g koh-ūi sian-chìn: In-ūi chìn-chêng góa lóng kā tô·-phìⁿ chiūⁿ-thôan kàu lán ê Wikipedia, chit-má nā siūⁿ-beh kā chia-ê tô·-phìⁿ thoân-khì Wikimedia commons hō· pa̍t-ê Wikipedia mā ē-ēng--chit, ài án-chóaⁿ chò chiah-hó? Kám-sī seng kā tô· chiūⁿ-thoân khì Wikimedia commons, jiân-āu thâi-tiāu lán chia ê tô·? He̍k-chiá-sī kî-thaⁿ ê hong-sek? Chhiáⁿ koh-ūi sian-kak chí-tō, kám-siā ló·-la̍t. --Albert 13:19, 28 La̍k-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- Tio̍h, chhiáⁿ chham-khó soat-bêng. Tô͘ jú toā tiuⁿ jú hó. Hō Eng-gí miâ khah chē lâng khoàⁿ bat. Iōng Special:Upload thê-kiong ê pang-bô͘ thiⁿ tòng-àn chu-liāu (chok-chiá, ji̍t-kî, téng-téng -- ē-sái chham-khó goá chit ê). A-giâu 15:17, 28 La̍k-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- Kám-siā a-giâu ê soat-bêng. Góa kā tô· thoân-khì Wikimedia commons bô būn-tê, m̄-koh, Wikipedia chia kám tō thâi-tiāu?--Albert 11:35, 29 La̍k-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- Nā-chún oân-choân sio siâng, chit pêng thâi tiāu sī khah keng-chè. A-giâu 11:52, 29 La̍k-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- Ē-sái iōng {{nowCommons}} chit-ê pang-bô͘ the̍h-chhéⁿ--lâng, Wikimedia commons í-keng ū chit-tiuⁿ tô͘. --Chùn-hiàn 15:40, 29 La̍k-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] Wiktionary 1000 phiⁿ
Ba̍k-chit-ê-nih, 2 lé-pài-kú nā-niā, Wiktionary tē 1000 phiⁿ chhut-sì--à. To-siā tāi-ke táu-saⁿ-kāng, mā sūn-soà chio kok-ūi pêng-iú lâi bóng-siá-kòa. (Chham-khó: Siau-sit, Wikimedia_News) --Chùn-hiàn 15:55, 29 La̍k-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] Chhiáⁿ-mn̄g
Chhiáⁿ-mn̄g, what are the POJ of these languages?
- Ido
- Norwegian
- Swedish
- Interlingua
- Hungarian
- Romanian
Please help me in these. If I have them, I can make more entries in Wiktionary. A-yao 08:21, 6 Chhit-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- For countries rarely referenced in Bân-lâm-gú, we are currently borrowing the native country words (in Latin orthography) from those languages and adding the suffix "-gú" or "-gí". Thus Norge-gú, Sverige-gú, Magyar-gú, România-gú. For country-less artificial languages, the only example we have is Sè-kài-gí, literally "World Tongue". But I'd suggest the same suffixing procedure be applied to Ido (Ido-gú) and Interlingua (Interlingua-gú). A-giâu 07:16, 13 Chhit-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- A-giâu, thanks but I have written Italian as "Í-tāi-lī-gú" because I wanted the languages written in my Hoan-ek8 all in Bân-lâm-gú to avoid mixing with the English language like Interlingua as "Kok-chè-gú". May I consider this? Please see this for more information. This is my source. A-yao 08:33, 13 Chhit-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- 義大利 (like Canada) is one of those borderline cases where one or more Bân-lâm translations has been in circulation but not so widely that everyone has internalized it. That 1930s dictionary you cited also lists Ì-kok (a la Hoat-kok), but that doesn't sound familiar to me. (Also notice the "Ì" in Ì-kok has a different tone cf. "Í-tāi-lī" -- surely a sign of instability. Or typo :) ) A-giâu 09:20, 13 Chhit-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- I see. I searched this as 意大利, which is the old version. It spells as "Í-tāi-lī" and added the suffix "-gú". I also had searched Norwegian and Swedish in lomaji and added the same prefix. I agree with Ido since Chùn-hiàn has made an entry. Best wishes! A-yao 13:56, 13 Chhit-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- 義大利 (like Canada) is one of those borderline cases where one or more Bân-lâm translations has been in circulation but not so widely that everyone has internalized it. That 1930s dictionary you cited also lists Ì-kok (a la Hoat-kok), but that doesn't sound familiar to me. (Also notice the "Ì" in Ì-kok has a different tone cf. "Í-tāi-lī" -- surely a sign of instability. Or typo :) ) A-giâu 09:20, 13 Chhit-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- A-giâu, thanks but I have written Italian as "Í-tāi-lī-gú" because I wanted the languages written in my Hoan-ek8 all in Bân-lâm-gú to avoid mixing with the English language like Interlingua as "Kok-chè-gú". May I consider this? Please see this for more information. This is my source. A-yao 08:33, 13 Chhit-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] ō͘ kap ō·
Teh siá hiòng-liōng ê sî, ū siá-tio̍h sok-tō·, kiat-kó hoat-kak èng-kai ū tiâu-bo̍k ê sok-tō͘ soah hián-sī bô tiâu-bo̍k ê liân-kiat chōng-tāi. Aū--lâi chiah liáu-kái sī ō͘ kap ō· bô-kâng ê koan-hē. M̄-chai lán chia ū kui-hoān phiau-chún--bô? Ló·-la̍t!--A-kun--a 19:12, 11 Chhit-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- Choè-kīn jú lâi jú sî-kiâⁿ kái-iōng Unicode piau-chún ê hô͘-lô͘-tiám, m̄-koh ū koá būn-tê boē kái-koat, só͘-í bô thiat-té kái tiāu. Àn-sǹg Keyman ē update, í-chá ê kū siá-hoat ē iōng robot sûi-ê keng-sin. A-giâu 07:25, 13 Chhit-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
Chhioh-mn̄g kok-ūi sian-chìn, beh án-choáⁿ chiah ē-tàng phah-chhut chiàⁿ-pêng téng-koân tiám ê O neh? Goá sī iōng pojV0.6 Win XP 2. Kám-siā.--Albert 08:06, 26 Cha̍p-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- Chhiáⁿ chng Keyman 0.7 pán. Mā ē-sái chng ToCyrillic. A-giâu 09:53, 26 Cha̍p-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- Kám-siā, goá í-keng chng hó-sè.--Albert 10:55, 26 Cha̍p-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- M̄-koh chng liáu Wikipedia ia̍h-bīn ê "B" chho͘-o͘-thé jī-hêng soah hián-sī bē chhut--lâi. Ūi-sím-mi̍h ē án-ne neh?--Albert 12:48, 26 Cha̍p-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
Iah koh ū, kám-sī í-keng khak-tēng tiāu-hō bô bē phah tī u kap o chit-chióng tiong-kài-im jī-bó téng-koân--ah?--Albert 08:06, 26 Cha̍p-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] U+0358 kap Middle dot (kè-sio̍k)
Goá ū chhì-giām iōng User:Holobot kā · kái-chò chèng-khak ê hô͘-lô͘-tiám, khó-sioh tú-tio̍h Windows DOS oh chhú-lí Unicode ê būn-tê. Tio̍h tán goá kā lâng chhéng-kàu. Chìn-chêng ê thó-lūn ū lâu: U+0358 kap Middle dot. A-giâu 09:22, 14 Chhit-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] Sorry for stupid question in English!!
(Ē-kha ùi Talk:Thâu-ia̍h soá--lâi. A-giâu 09:06, 18 Chhit-goe̍h 2006 (UTC))
Hi, I'm very interested in Taiwan. I'm about to start learning Taiwanese.
I was surprised that the Ban-lam-gu pages of Wikipedia are all romanised (no characters!). I think I am starting to understand the issues that are involved in choosing romanisation instead of characters. But I would like to know more.
Please can someone explain this policy? (In English or Japanese please - sorry, my knowledge of Chinese languages (I hope it is not rude to use this term) is still very small :\.)
Thanks very much!!
Alan
- Well, there are a few characters, but you are essentially correct. The issues, as you probably suspect, are complex and complicated by contemporary politics. But I'll boil it down to this: editing articles collaboratively is very difficult for lack of a standard in writing Ban-lam-gu using Chinese characters. Since no one believes this will change any time soon and some people do want an encyclopedia in the language, we naturally turn to the Latin tradition of writing Ban-lam-gu. This has the advantage of standardization, a body of literature going back 150 years, new learners in the educational system. It is not without problems, but on the whole it is a useful choice. I'll stop here (this PC being very slow). A-giâu 09:37, 18 Chhit-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] Help our friend Michael Everson
Our friend Michael Everson, who has been very helpful in the computer processing of Bân-lâm-gú, needs our help over at the English-language Wikipedia: en:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Everson (2nd Nomination). Please vote "keep". Cheers. – Kaihsu 19:34, 25 Chhit-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] Wiktionary
Wiktionary tē 2000 phiⁿ chhut-sì--à!!! To-siā tāi-ke táu-saⁿ-kāng, mā sūn-soà chio kok-ūi pêng-iú lâi bóng-siá-kòa. (Chham-khó: Siau-sit, Wikimedia_News) A-yao 11:54, 4 Peh-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] Help
English Wiktionary says that Minnan-ascii-bot shouldn't be needed, a bot to convert Min Nan with diacritics into ASCII POJ. Comments should be placed here to transfer them into their Beer Parlour. A-yao 14:33, 10 Peh-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] Wikimania 2007
Hi, 各位河洛話語版的Wikipedians,我是zh.wikipedia的管理員虎兒,通知大家:現在Wikimedia基金會正在舉辦明年Wikimania的主辦城市競賽,9/23就會選出下屆主辦城市,台北也有申請主辦,相關頁面請見m:Wikimania 2007/Taipei,歡迎有意協助的朋友參與local team的組織,謝謝!--Theodoranian 01:37, 22 Peh-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- 補充,這次是申辦「國際維基年會」,不僅是「中文維基年會」。感謝大家支持!--R.O.C 01:44, 22 Peh-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] Talk:he̍k-chheⁿ
Chòe-kūn, góa ū hoat-hiān Holopedia kā planet hoan-chòe he̍k-chheⁿ (惑星). Chhōe jī-tián ê sî-chūn (chhiáⁿ chham-khó Talk:he̍k-chheⁿ) lóng chhōe-bô he̍k-chheⁿ chit-ê kóng-hoat, kan-nā chhōe tio̍h hêng-seng (行星) niâ. Bân-lâm-gú m̄-sī góa ê bú-gí, só·-í hi-bōng Holopedia ê lâng ē-tàng khak-tēng tàu-té tó 1-ê kóng-hoat chiah-tio̍h: hêng-seng iā-sī he̍k-chheⁿ? Kám-siā kok-ūi ê chí-tō :)
- A-cai 12:21, 27 Peh-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] Please, help slavonians!
Please, help us to open Wikipedia on Surzhyk language! We need just your support vote here http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages#Surzhyk_.2819_Support.2C_11_Oppose.29 Thank you so much! --Dmitry Nikitin
[siu-kái] Bân-tang-oē Wikipedia
Tâu-phiò chìn-hêng tiong: m:Requests for new languages#Min Dong. A-giâu 15:27, 3 Káu-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] Holopedia ê bāng-chí
Hiān-chú-sî phah http://www.holopedia.org lóng bē-tàng koh ji̍p-lâi Holopedia, kám ū hoat-tō͘ kái-koat? --Kiatgak 03:13, 5 Káu-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] Koán-ha̍t ia̍h koán-hat?
Tī Holopedia tiāⁿ khoàⁿ tio̍h koán-ha̍t, m̄-koh ná-chhiūⁿ kan-taⁿ Tâi-hoâ Soàⁿ-téng Sû-tián ū siu (i mā u siu koán-hat), chhun--ê ê sû-tián ná-chhiūⁿ lóng siu koán-hat niā-niā. M̄ chai toh-ui ê khau-im sī koán-ha̍t? --Kiatgak 04:57, 14 Káu-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- Goá pún-té siá "koán-hat", āu--lâi ū lâng kā kái chò "koán-ha̍t", soah lio̍h-á loān--khì. Kiàn-gī lóng kái "koán-hat". A-giâu 05:14, 14 Káu-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- Goá khoàⁿ A-hui lóng siá tē 8 siaⁿ, tō bô kā i siá ê pō͘-hūn kái tiāu. A-giâu 05:40, 14 Káu-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- Chhâ hàn-jī ho·-im ê Tâi-gí Soàⁿ-téng Jī-tián, 轄 chit-ê hàn-jī, kāng-sî ū siu tē-4 kap tē-8 siaⁿ, kám ē sī in-ūi án-ne, só·-í ū koán-hat kap koán-ha̍t 2-khoán kóng-hoat? Lēng-goā Chiuⁿ-chhiū Chhut-pán-siā ê Sin-pian Hoâ-tâi-gí Tùi-chiàu-tián, sī to̍k-to̍k siu "koán-ha̍t" 1-khoán ho·-īm, chin koài-khá--hohⁿ. Taokara 06:34, 14 Káu-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- Tâi-Ji̍t bāng-lō͘-pán iū-koh ū
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- 14135 chóng-hat [總轄] 總管轄。
- 18225 hat [轄] 支配,掌管。 ~ 下;chit營是我所 ~ ê。
- 22294 ho͘-hat [呼轄] 命令。 ~~ bōe動。
- 61207 thóng-hat [統轄] (文)統領管轄。
- 63197 ti̍t-hat [直轄] (日)直接管轄。
- A-giâu 08:56, 14 Káu-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] [ir] kah [er]
Guá sī Tâng-uaⁿ lâng. Bân-lâm-gír sī guá ê mother-tongue kah native-language. POJ, i.e. pe̍h-uē-lī, sī iōng Chiang-chiu-khiuⁿ tsuè piau-tsún, só·-í POJ kah zh-min-nan.wikipedia ê tsiàⁿ-lī-huat lóng-tsóng bô [ir]/[ɨ](IPA) kah [er]/[ə](IPA). [ir] kah [er] thong-iōng tī Chiang-chiu í-guā ê Tâng-uaⁿ-kuāiⁿ kah Chuân-chiu tē-khu, sír-iōng lîn-kháu tī Bân-lâm tē-khu ìng-kai té-tsió ū tsi̍t-puàⁿ í-siōng, pí kan-ta tī Chiang-chiu tsiah thiaⁿ ē-tio̍h ê [ j ]-im koh-khah tsuē, koh-khah phó·-piàn. [ir] kah [er] m̄-sī tan-sûn ê kah Chiang-chiu/Ē-mn̂g khiuⁿ ê [i]/[e]/[ue] tùi-ìng. [ir] kah [er] koh-khah tiōng-iàu ê tsok-iōng sī hun-pia̍t gír-ì. e.g. 1. [kong-tsír]"prince" vs [kong-tsú]"princess"; 2. [tsir]"book" vs [tsi]"vulva" vs [tsu]"bead"; 3. [pêr]"compensate" vs [pê]"scratch/rake" vs [puê]"accompany"; .... Nā Bô [ir] kah [er] tsit nn̄g gê tiōng-iàu ê bó-im, Tâng-uaⁿ-khiuⁿ kah Chuân-chiu-khiuⁿ ê Bân-lám-gír tioh buē-su ngó·-im-put-tsuân, khêr-kha-phuà-siùⁿ, íng-guán tī POJ kah zh-min- nan.wikipedia ê tuā-mn̂g-kháu lē bāi--ê bāi--ê. Tshiáng mn̄g, POJ kah zh-min-nan.wikipedia, tùi tsit-hāng tāi-tsì ê khùaⁿ-huat kah tsí-kàu.
- Thank you for your input. I'm probably not qualified to talk about dialects, but here's my take: I think we need to differentiate between a phonetic system and a phonemic system. POJ is based on the IPA, but is obviously much simplified. It is also not intended to represent the sound inventories of every dialects in the language. As such, it clearly has its bias, as every written language does. (TLPA, on the other hand, is slightly less simplified and as such more useful for writing out dialects without using the IPA.)
- I would not say that POJ necessarily favors the Chiang-chiu dialect. In an old (erased) post, you mentioned the syllables "[ek], [eng] [oan]". But these really should be written /ek/, /eng/, /oan/ (i.e. as phonemes). In other words, whether you pronounce /ek/ [ik]/[ek]/[iek] (sorry, I'm too lazy to type out the real IPA here) doesn't matter; they all represent the same phoneme. Same thing for /j/: "j" as such doesn't actually exist in my dialect (I pronounce [l]/[d]), but I still write "j", because that's "the standard". Some people might say the standard is "wrong" or "inadequate" or "can be better". I'm sure that's more or less true, but I don't personally want to change things unless they are absolutely broken. You can say I am a conservative :)
- As for whether or not POJ is adequate for writing out the Tâng-oaⁿ dialect (or Choan-chiu), it may not. But if you want to write ir/er, go ahead. Also, you might want to look into "Extended POJ". I also think more often than not, so-called standards are based on the dialects of prestigious or powerful economic/political regions rather than the dialects with most speakers. In the recent past this was true of Xiamen (later Taiwan) -- both areas mixing Chiang-chiu/Choan-chiu -- and I think you see that influence in POJ.
- A-giâu 08:49, 14 Káu-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] 2006 Wikimedia soán-kí
Goá iáu-boē kā hiō-soán-jîn chèng-kiàn khoàⁿ liáu (kin-ná-ji̍t mā khoàⁿ bē liáu), ē-kha sī goá kah-ì ê chèng-kiàn:
A-giâu kiàn-gī:
A-giâu bô kiàn-gī:
A-giâu 07:48, 15 Káu-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] Extended POJ
Please explain Extended POJ. Thanks.
- Extended POJ is actually my own terminology. It basically proposes to add a few symbols to represent a few sounds found in some dialects as well as foreign loanwords common in Taiwan. A description can be found in [3][4]. Its main concern is Taiwanese dialects, but I believe it should be useful. Unfortunately my copy is somewhere inside one of the many boxes stored in my garage, so I can't quote the relevant pages for you right now. A-giâu 09:16, 25 Káu-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- Chapter 13 p127-138, 其他的音段 (13.2 方言&外來語的元音, p128-131) Pektiong 13:36, 25 Káu-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- Pe̍h-ōe-jī ê Le̍k-sú Kán-kài, khah aū-piah ū kóng--tio̍h. --Kiatgak 13:46, 27 Káu-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- Kám ū lâng ē-hiáu kái-soeh án-choáⁿ iōng POJ siá Tâng-oaⁿ khiuⁿ? Lô-hoân pó͘--koà, ló͘-la̍t. A-giâu 09:16, 25 Káu-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] Wikimania 2007 koat-tēng Tâi-pak chú-chhui
Chit-ê hó-siau-sit pò tāi-ke chai. [5] --Chùn-hiàn 09:34, 25 Káu-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] Mediawiki kap POJ SVG
MediaWiki chhan-chhiūⁿ bô hoat-tō͘ oân-choân chèng-siông kā ū POJ ê SVG choán chò PNG (MediaWiki ūi beh chi-oān só͘-ū ê liû-lám-khì, bô ti̍t-chiap hián-sī SVG). Ū chhù-bī ê pêng-iú chhiáⁿ bóng chhì-giām khoàⁿ-māi. Pí-kàu Image:Respiratory system.svg ê sok-tô͘ kah goân-sú SVG: Unicode phīⁿ-im hû-hō, hô͘-lô͘-tiám bô--khì (àn-sǹg tē-8-siaⁿ mā ē án-ne). A-giâu 13:33, 25 Káu-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] 閩東語kap吳語
最近閩東語kap吳語e Wikipedia 成立矣。不過in使用e名是用ISO639-3:閩東語=cdo、吳語=wuu。m知閩南語(ISO639=nan)版會改chit麼?--Koika 17:11, 3 Cha̍p-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- 我支持。但是m知影tī叨位投票修改?--GnuDoyng 09:58, 7 Cha̍p-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- 應該會改得。A-giâu 02:44, 8 Cha̍p-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- 可能愛請行政員去Meta申請,希望閩南語版ma e tang真正使用ISO639-3 e 代碼。--Koika 21:28, 9 Cha̍p-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- 遮有人leh議論共個題目,罔參考 [6]。A-giâu 05:49, 10 Cha̍p-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] 發現介面有個錯誤
MediaWiki:Anontalkpagetext中,“tēng-ji̍p”標錯了調符。--GnuDoyng 10:19, 7 Cha̍p-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- Kái hó ah! – Kaihsu 19:39, 7 Cha̍p-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
MediaWiki:Newarticletext, "liû-lâm-khì" èng-kai sī "liû-lám-khì". --GnuDoyng 14:05, 10 Cha̍p-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- To-siā, kái hó-sè--á. --Chùn-hiàn 14:25, 10 Cha̍p-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] Orthographical reform?
So there appears to be a slightly vandalistic coup d'état of orthography: [7]. I don't think we should move over yet. – Kaihsu 21:29, 7 Cha̍p-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- I wouldn't either. A-giâu 02:45, 8 Cha̍p-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- M̄-bián tín-tāng. --Chùn-hiàn 14:59, 10 Cha̍p-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] Adopt the new Lomali
The authority has spoken, in a favorable way. Please support this modern standard. Any defiance will only further weaken our endangered language, and everything associated with it.
- I don't think it's that black-and-white and I don't appreciate your linking non-premature-adoption to bearing responsibility for the downfall of the language. That smacks of hysteria. Holopedia is preserving and (more importantly) expanding its range of expression. Please sign your comments. A-giâu 05:35, 8 Cha̍p-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
What "authority"? The preliminary test should be that a couple of ex-TLPAistas starting to contribute to Holopedia using the new scheme. Until then, we should not even think of it as an option. – Kaihsu 19:11, 8 Cha̍p-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- Neither do I support that so-called new TLPA. I'm a conservative for that matter. --GnuDoyng 13:20, 25 Cha̍p-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] 介面翻譯
Goân-bûn í-keng soá khì tī MediaWiki talk:Noexactmatch. Chhiáⁿ khì hia gī-lūn. A-giâu 06:15, 13 Cha̍p-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] Bot status
Goá kā User:Thijs!bot chù-chheh tī "bot" (robot) chit lūi, piáu-sī í-āu bē koh khoàⁿ tio̍h i ê pian-chi̍p kì-lio̍k. Che hó-phàiⁿ-chhù lóng ū. Tī pa̍t-ê Wikipedia tiāⁿ-tiāⁿ sī chhau-chok bot ê lâng ka-kī lâi sin-chhéng "bot status", liáu-āu hoān-sè tio̍h keng-koè siā-lí tâu-phiò koat-tēng beh ún-chún ia̍h bô. Chóng-sī lán kài-sêng bô chit-khoán chèng-chhek, hoan-gêng thê-àn chè-tēng. A-giâu 02:01, 22 Cha̍p-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] Support Min Dong Wikisource
Please support the request for Min Dong Wikisource. Thanks! --GnuDoyng 13:14, 25 Cha̍p-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] Chhiàⁿ pang Wiktionary
Chhiàⁿ pang gún kiú-chèng, kái-piàn chia-ê ia̍h
- Chhiàⁿ pang ka ì-sù These are pages at wiktionary where there are no definitions.
- ì-sù Chù-ì Pages at wiktionary where the definition might be awkward or gramatically incorrect. Currently, this category is empty.
Thanks.
-- Hiòng-êng 04:36, 6 Cha̍p-it-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] Bân-lâm gír ê kóng-huat.
(x): improper and should be discouraged. (let's keep our language from being (x)Mandarinized.) what: siáⁿ, siáⁿ-hèr/-huè/-hè. (x)sín-mi̍ who: sâng,=siáⁿ-lâng. (x)sín-mi̍h lâng where: tó, tó-lo̍h, tī tó-lo̍h. (x)tsāi ná-ní when: tī-sî, tang-sî, (x)sín-mi̍h sî-tsūn. how: tsáiⁿ-iūⁿ, án-tsuáⁿ. (x)lû-hô why: káⁿ, káⁿ-ē, sī tsáiⁿ-iūⁿ, sī án-tsuáⁿ. (x)uī-sín-mi̍h if: nā, nā-sī. (x)lû-kó. and: kah, hām. or: á-sī, (x) hi̍k-tsiah, hi̍k-sī all: lóng, kè-tsâu/-tsiâu. (x)tsuân-pōo. all-new: tsn̂g-sin. (x) tsuân-sin. monday: pài-it. (x) sing-kî it no matter: bô-lūn. (x)m̄-kuán. (xxx) - ê uē, e.g. nā-sī ū khó-lîng ê uē. (xxx) - pah, e.g. bô khó-lîng pah.
--209.121.215.56 04:19, 9 Cha̍p-it-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] Tùi Lô-má-jī ê khoàⁿ-hoat
Ē-kha tùi Talk:Thâu-ia̍h soá--lâi:
[siu-kái] 建議漢/羅並用
(Pûn-lâi ê mi̍h soá khì Wikipedia:Chhiū-á-kha. A-giâu 05:51, 12 Sì-goe̍h 2006 (UTC))
附議!直接看羅馬字,有夠艱苦。
注意:本頁僅用來討論首頁的內容或排版。A-giâu 05:17, 19 Cha̍p-it-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
[siu-kái] 每个罗马字版本应该有对应的汉字版本
我认为, 这样才可以使在汉字教育下长大, 但讲方言的大多数同胞对本百科全书产生最大共鸣. 至于如何加入"对应版本", 我建议增设一个"汉字方言版本"的"翻页", 就如中文维基有"简体", "繁体"两个翻页一样. 但不要自动转换. 我建议人手把罗马字转写成汉字方言文. Pangguanzhe
[siu-kái] 天阿....台語是我的母語...我卻完全看不懂這個版本的維基
天阿....台語是我的母語...我卻完全看不懂這個版本的維基,Bí-kok是什麼??我用大腦猜了半天就是猜不到,按下去才知道是美國!但用台語發音因該是:mi-go???
建議真的是否可以改成漢字化的台語另外在加注羅馬拼音?
舉個例:
女孩=>查某仔阿 眼淚=>目屎 吹噓=>砰風
不然看的懂文章或是編輯文章的...我想因該沒有什麼人?
:(zh) 注意:本頁僅用來討論首頁的內容或排版。A-giâu 16:13, 22 Cha̍p-it-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
- 「漢字化」?誰的漢字化?你的嗎?太恐怖了吧。母語是xx語就表示自然而然就看得懂xx文字??那國語文廢掉好了,大加平「敢決」去是字就好了蟆。「美國」的發音絕對不是「mi-go」(麵鵝?麵糊?)。A-giâu 16:32, 22 Cha̍p-it-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
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- 這位朋友:一個從小就會說中文的人也不可能不通過學習就自然會漢字會漢語拼音,所以放下偏見虛心學習才對。閩南語不是我的母語,甚至到現在很多口語詞也只會聽不會說,但我依然看得懂白話字。這説明這門文字真的不難學——當然了,前提是你愛她並有學習她的欲望。
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- 另外,我可以理解你把“Bí-kok”寫成“Mi-go”。一個沒有受過母語教育的人對自己母語的認識往往受到他使用最流利的語言的影響,所以他們根本意識不到濁聲母和入聲尾的存在,但並不代表他們說不好閩南語。這也從一個側面説明母語教育有多重要,否則人們對母語的認識是狹隘而片面的。--GnuDoyng 16:02, 24 Cha̍p-it-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
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- 維基的目的,呣就是將資訊傳達給大家;看有e人愈多,甘願做e人亦愈多。若用一些大部分人看沒e字,又要求大家愛照學院派e理論寫拼音。莫需要講其他e,自己就做未去呀。維基是所有網路使用者貢獻出來的資料庫,一兩個堅持用純羅馬拼音e網友,精神非常令人感佩;呣過彼幾位人甘有辦法上通天文下知地理。文字只是載體,絕對不是實際;給大家方便讀,才是百科全書e意義。內容絕對比純e文字更加重要。我嘛希望佇這可以學得文雅e河洛話,但是前題是愛奉人看給下去。若看嘸,我甘願去看粵語版,更加緊知道我欲找e資料是啥。---2006.11.30
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- 請User:220.228.148.78先去試驗區把你的閩南語繁簡漢字書寫體系搞定,再來討論吧。大家來看看你能wiki到什麼程度,還是你祇是寫User:220.228.148.78自己習慣看的國語/閩南語混合語。漢字派不先統一,恐怕終將是整天把「的」改成「e」,再改成「个」、「兮」、「の」(這些寫法都有人主張),然後再改回「的」、「e」...。我看你一年內能完成幾篇。注意:你可以去搞一個「贊成漢字的人舉手」,相信舉手的人會很多─問題是,懂得寫的人有幾個?寫得出來的人有幾個?願意跟你奮鬥的人有幾個?
- 粵語版能夠使用全漢字書寫有它的歷史淵源(尤其是殖民地的政治基礎)還有廣東社會的文化自信(甚至優越感)等多方面的因素。至少我認為要寫漢字的話,粵語的作法是可以參考的。問題在於,你User:220.228.148.78憑什麼以自己幼稚園程度的台語漢字書寫能力批評*務實的*羅馬字派?當我以拼音文字完整書寫出我的語言的時候,你憑什麼批判我?
- 「大部分人看沒e字」:你難道是剛從火星到台灣嗎?你難道不知道台灣的語言政治史?你以為如果閩南語漢字書寫那麼容易,我們會刻意要跟如此鞏固、堅強、制度化的「優良傳統」劃清界線嗎?你以為羅馬書寫沒有傳統嗎?
- 「彼幾位人甘有辦法上通天文下知地理」:你去看看這裡的目錄吧。
- A-giâu 06:34, 30 Cha̍p-it-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)
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看不懂白話字是因為你是台語(閩南語)的文盲,如果你希望用漢字寫台語,歡迎你向wiki申請用漢字寫的版本。--Albert 07:29, 30 Cha̍p-it-goe̍h 2006 (UTC)