Nîqaş:Xanepel

Ji Wîkîpediya

şMa bi Xer di,

Key ki mi na wastena sima, seba postdariya di ez sas biyo mendo. Seba racarnayina pelga sima, zone ZAZAKI, sima postdari wazene.

Ma bira hete bindi ki, sima vane ki " Ne pe4lga ser Zazaki ye xu ser mebo ya. Hayra taba hacet cino. Ciki Zazaki lehceye di Kirdaskiyo." Ma eki siam na vatena xora inam kene, sima cira neskine dire surr nuste bicarneri zone Zazaki?

Bira bere ne sevda ra acere. Na politika politikaya Tirkan ye asimile u inkarkerdena. Na politika Kurdanra taba derman nebena. Kurd Kurdo, Zaza ki Zazawo. Zazaki zono di xusero. bere me pilosiye lingane mara. MA rehet biverde ki raa xodi lew simadi ze havalan ray bicerimi.

Wes u war bimane.

Bertal Kahraman

Birez Kahraman, ez dixwazim bersiv ji bidim, le ez nizanim hun ciqas kurmanci fehm dikin. Ji kerema xwe bibe endam da ku em bikarin bi email niqas bikin.
Ez bawer im, cend tistan sas ten fehmkirin. Em ji dexwazin alikariya hevalen Zaza bikin. Armancen me yen cuda tune. Silav, --Erdal Ronahi 13:08, 25 Rêbendan 2006 (UTC)

I can understand Kurdish (kirdaski- kurmanci) but, I can not really speak Kurdish. I read write and fluently speak Zazaki -Kirmancki- Dimilki. It is my mother tounge.

My problem is that, "Why Kurdish friends like yourself, keep trying to say Zazaki is the dialect of Kursish" Since we can not communicate witouth help of third languages. How would it be dialect of same language? I try to learn Kurdish and now I can read and understand it good enough, but I can not say that I can speak and write it reasonably good.

You write to me abowe; that "You would like to answer me, but you are not sure how good is my Kurdish" Yes you are right. You can not write in ZAZAKI and you wouldnt know if I do speak and understand KURDISH at all. so we have a problem. That is what exectly my point. Kurdsish and ZAZAKI related but not same language or dialect of one another. Like any otherIranian language teh are related that is the fact.

I would like to write in Zazaki on the Zazaki pages. Not in to other languages pages. that is why when I saw that Kurdish wikipedia pages asking for help to Translate Kurdish in to Zazaki, I find it strange. Because the wery same people strongly opposing indepandent Zazaki wikipedia, same people saying that Zazaki is not a language but dialect of Kurdish.

Dont you think this is a litle bit conffusing?

Weş u war bianê.

Bertal Kahraman

Thanks for answering. I would appreciate if you would log in, then we can communicate by email. No, I don't find that confusing. I live in Germany, and I know German better than Kurdish. If there was no education of 'standard German' in schools, people from Bavariya and Frisia could never understand each other. The same is valid for Sorani and Kurmanci speakers. The Kurdish dialects have not yet undergone this process of emerging into a standard. In fact, I myself don't care a lot. But I know a lot of Zazaki speakers who themselves consider it a dialect of Kurdish, so why should I oppose? For these people I certainly want to have Zazaki inside the Kurdish Wikipedia. There may be a Zazaki Wikipedia, too, but why split the efforts?
I really want to help you, and I thought inviting you to write would help. Please use the Kurdish Wikipedia, if one day there is a Zazaki Wikipedia, it will be easy to transfer all the articles there. --Erdal Ronahi 13:45, 28 Rêbendan 2006 (UTC)

[biguherîne] Stolen contents!

You took simply the Design and contents of us to it to ask without us!! we have ourselves strive so much for it given and now take their that simply and leave the appearance, as if would have made their that!!! That is illegal! You completely exactly know that zazaki no dialect is of Kurdish. THUS hears on with that!! --Sobê 10:18, 29 adar 2006 (UTC)

No, it's not illegal. Everything you contribute to any Wikimedia project is automatically licenced under GFDL, which means it can be copied to any other Wikipedia without crediting. --24.251.68.75 06:18, 30 adar 2006 (UTC)


Also, it should not be illegal to copy, but why the vandalizm? Where do you take the right to delete tehe articles in Zazaki Wikipedia?

Wexat ku hûn nıvisên me bı zımanê Zazaki dızi dıkın, tinın viderê û pela me xırabe dıkın, qet şerm nakın, qet wıcdanê we cız nake? jı kuderê va heq gırtıne? Eyb e, gelek eyb e ku hûn jı bo navê geleki bındestê mina Kurdan vana jı me ra dıkın. Eger me pela xwe çê kır, qet nehat aqılê me ku bên jı pela we nıvisan dızi bıkın. Asmên

This is the Zazaki Wikipedia. It's against Wikipedia rules to create a Test-Wiki if the content can be made at another project, which is the case here.

Biraz olsun vijdanınız sızlasın, insafsızlar! Onca uğraşı tahrip edip üstelik yazıları çalıyorsunuz. Nerde görülmüş böyle vahşilik.

You vandalize permanently our project on Test.wp/diq and steal our texts. This is an enormous shameless act. Please, stop it!--mirzali 03:20, 31 March 2006 (UTC)


[biguherîne] Deleting content

It is definitely not correct to delete pages on the test wiki, and it is also not correct to delete pages on this wiki. As an administrator I cannot allow that.

I am happy that finally someone has started working on a Zazaki Wikipedia and I personally hope that it will flourish and develop well. Please remember that we on ku (in fact, myself) were the first to publish Zazaki content in Wikipedia.

I am not so happy that some users are engaged in a 'revert war' with other users. And I am very unhappy about the declaration of copies of articles or layouts as "stealing".

Everybody may have an own opinion about whether Zazaki articles should appear in this Wiki or not, but you certainly cannot claim that reproducing content released under the GFDL is "stealing". Whoever does not agree to that should consider not to contribute to a Wikipedia. Please understand that the page Xanepel may have to be protected because of your edit war.

In my personal opinion, a Zazaki Wikipedia makes a Zazaki section in ku mostly redundant. But as an administrator on ku, I cannot allow that anyone deletes articles with no appropriate reason.

Please note also, that the existence or nonexistece of Zazaki articles here or of a Zazaki Wikipedia has absolutely nothing to do with the question of whether Zazaki speakers consider themselves Kurds or not or if Zazaki is a dialect of Kurdish or not. These questions are irrelevant for the creation of a Wikipedia. Our aim is to write an encyclopedia. If there are encyclopaedic articles is Zazaki: Great! If there are enough writers to feed a Zazaki Wikipedia: Great! But someone may find it appropriate to copy that content into this Wiki. That is neither "stealing" nor "illegal" nor "vahşilik" or "insafsizlik". --Erdal Ronahi 01:13, 1 avrêl 2006 (UTC)


You already occupied unjustly the name Zazaki and try now lay claim to some privileges? Please, don’t make any polemics! The fact is, that we here don’t want see our Zazaki articles and layouts under ku. Wikipedia.

We want our independence. So long as you declare Zazaish as a so-called Kurdish dialect, your act is well valid as a stealing. Everything else what you say is hypocritical and not credible.

If you really want Zazaki flourishing, you could write other new Zazaki texts by yourself –without copying or stealing from other pages-. But, I know well that you can’t this, because Zazaish is a foreign language for you. The important thing to you is the Kurdish nationalism and not absolutely the Zaza language. In reality you were concerned that the Zazas better have to learn or speak Kurdish. --mirzali 02:29, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Dear Mirzali, I won't enter in any polemics and can just ask you not to insult me. I can just repeat myself: A Zazaki Wikipedia has been approved, as soon as it is created everything will be transferred there, I will even help. Until that day I suggest you add your articles here. If you don't want to do that, just don't do it. But don't delete any content. On the other hand, if you still refer to copying content as "stealing", I suggest you read the GFDL in a language you understand well. --Erdal Ronahi 20:25, 2 avrêl 2006 (UTC)

Dear Mr. E. Ronahi, when we ever had wanted to write into ku.-wikipedia, we have done it long ago. But so long as you insist that Zazaki is reputed to be a Kurdish dialect, nobody of us would write here.

In any case, to declare Zazaish as a dialect is not scientific, -as you well know- this matter is proved already many years ago. It is not genuine what you try to do and there is no offence meant, when I tell the truth.

Even your choice on Zazaki texts from http://hem.passagen.se/antoloji1/ shows us your one-sidedness and we doubt therefore your sincerity. You avoid only our intention, but we don’t need anybody controlling our project. It would flourish essentially better without your interference. --mirzali 01:37, 5 avrêl 2006 (UTC)

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