Disputatio:Iesus
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Gratias tibi ago! Mutationes magnae videntur. Sed de inscriptione huius paginae adhuc valde dissentio. Inquis Tbook "Restitui nomen acceptatum. Oportet titulo uti, etiam si non a omnibus acceptato; dicimus 'Imperator' Napoleon, etiam si nonnulli non ita credunt."
Sed Napoleo Bonaparte non Imperator Napoleo Bonaparte nominatum est! "Imperator" in re, non in titulo, utimur, aeque ac debemus "Christus" (et "Nazarenus" et cetera) in re, non in titulo, Iesu uti. Non necesse est "Iesus Christus" uti ut lectores res intellegant, et certe uti "Iesus" nedum minus controversiam posthac faciet, ergo cur simpliciter titulum simpliciorem, "Iesus", non utimur? Et est brevior, itaque facilior. Vicipaediae aliae, exempli gratia Anglice Wikipedia, id esse melius intellegunt, et tempus ratum fecit. Itaque te rogo: cur non Iesus? Quorsum "Christus"que utimur?
Et sola quaestio: cur et se per eum servari posse ("and that they are able to be saved through him") ad et eum hominem curare ("and that he takes care of/cures a person") mutavisti? -Adamas 02:28, 4 Martii 2006 (UTC)
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- Very good job on this article.--74.132.66.199
[recensere] Disambiguation
Should the list of other people named Iesus be s.v. Iesus (discretiva) or Iesus (nomen)? --Iustinus 19:48, 12 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
- I do not know, but I think we should have both pages: Iesus (nomen) and therefore Iesus (discretiva) as well. --Rolandus 21:24, 12 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
- Then, I guess Iesus (nomen) would describe the history of the name, and list people, whereas Iesus (discretiva) would list non-human things called Jesus (movies, plays, etc.)? Or actually maybe people should be listed in both places. --Iustinus 19:54, 13 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
- I think, when the people are listed on page Iesus (nomen) there is no need to list them on Iesus (discretiva), but it would not hurt. It could be just double work to maintain both lists of people. So I'd prefer to have the list just on one of the pages. Maybe Iesus (nomen) will be more appropriate, especially when the list is long. --Rolandus 23:47, 13 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
- I'm having trouble figuring out what makes the most sense, because it is unusual to have a word that can have both a (nomen) page and a (discretiva) page. Of course, most wikipedias aren't as eager to make pages for every name as we have been here. --Iustinus 23:56, 13 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
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- But we can still use them as examples—other wikipedias, I mean; en has en:William (name) tells about the name while en:William is a disambiguation page listing people named only William. —Myces Tiberinus 00:08, 15 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
- Me too. I wonder whether someone has good reasons for the one or the other method. I do not have them. --Rolandus 00:09, 14 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
- This makes sense to me: Iesus (nomen) is an article solely on the name Iesus, and Iesus (discretiva) is a disambiguation page, subdivided perhaps:
- Homines
- 1. (Listed & numbered in some order, such as alphabetical by surname etc.?): people whose names start with Iesus
- Res
- 1. (Listed & numbered in alphabetical order): things named Iesus, e.g. Jesus College, the Jesus lizard, etc.
- Surely a disambiguation page can break down into branches, as above? IacobusAmor 02:34, 15 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
- One question, if we make a page "Iesus (Nomen)" will we include anything concerning the custom of naming one's child Jésus? Because most common wealth or anglocultured countries don't do this - or at least not that I know of - while Hispanic ones do. Alexanderr 02:38, 15 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, I should think so (it's Jesús, btw): that's part of the story of the name itself. IacobusAmor 02:41, 15 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
- One question, if we make a page "Iesus (Nomen)" will we include anything concerning the custom of naming one's child Jésus? Because most common wealth or anglocultured countries don't do this - or at least not that I know of - while Hispanic ones do. Alexanderr 02:38, 15 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
- Homines
- This makes sense to me: Iesus (nomen) is an article solely on the name Iesus, and Iesus (discretiva) is a disambiguation page, subdivided perhaps:
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- I'm having trouble figuring out what makes the most sense, because it is unusual to have a word that can have both a (nomen) page and a (discretiva) page. Of course, most wikipedias aren't as eager to make pages for every name as we have been here. --Iustinus 23:56, 13 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
- I think, when the people are listed on page Iesus (nomen) there is no need to list them on Iesus (discretiva), but it would not hurt. It could be just double work to maintain both lists of people. So I'd prefer to have the list just on one of the pages. Maybe Iesus (nomen) will be more appropriate, especially when the list is long. --Rolandus 23:47, 13 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
- Then, I guess Iesus (nomen) would describe the history of the name, and list people, whereas Iesus (discretiva) would list non-human things called Jesus (movies, plays, etc.)? Or actually maybe people should be listed in both places. --Iustinus 19:54, 13 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)