Disputatio Formulae:Data nationis

E Vicipaedia

As_of_ needs translating in the GDP box

[recensere] About the box

Is is possible to make this box thinner (at the moment it takes up around 1/2 of the writing space of the page)? at Usor:Harrissimo/nationbox, I have an older version of it without Rafael's new translations and maybe a few newer features etc. Also, does the numerus incolarum part of the box work? In Francia, Helvetia and Italia, it doesn't seem to (I would look into it myself, but many of the huge formula codes full of {{{ and }}} etc. just wash over me). --Harrissimo 22:12, 19 Augusti 2007 (UTC)

I did a quick fix of the info boxes for those countries so that they now display well. But they do need a LOT of clean up still. In addition, some of the statistics are either out of date of missing altogether. Lots of work everywhere!--Rafaelgarcia 23:22, 19 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
Are the two still separate formulae? - If so can we merge them? I guess the best thing we can do about stats is browse through the German, French, English, Spanish and (Page Title)ish Interwikis and find the most recent dates. The Finnish Wiki frequently has less recent dates that German and French ones on its city pages in Number of Inhabitants. I will help you adding the infoboxes to some of the nations (probably the ones with over 1 paragraph of writing deserve them most). --Harrissimo 23:41, 19 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
I think there is only one "data nationis" formula. Presently i know it is the one being used for CFA, Francia, Helvetica, and Italia.The only difference is that the data are entered differently on the various pages. Standardizing that would be useful. --Rafaelgarcia 00:12, 20 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
In what way are they different - I take by "at the various pages" you mean Francia, Helvetia, Italia, C.F.A.? And if I use the formula that we're discussing and fill in all of the boxes, would it come out fat (like at Drustanus da Cunha) or thin (like at Francia and friends)? --Harrissimo 00:28, 20 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
The reason they looked "fat" is that some of the fields weren't specified correctly. For instance, when they had used the formula "data nationis" on the page Francia, they wrongly specified something like "populatio=5000000" instead of "numerus_incolarum=500000" ; as a result, the formula "data nationis" inserted the codes instead of a number into the page, causing the info box to look "fat" on the page. To fix it, I just changed populatio to numerus_incolarum on the page.--Rafaelgarcia 00:45, 20 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
You mean you put it on a diet? ;) --Harrissimo 01:34, 20 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
As Teal'c would say: "Indeed!"--Rafaelgarcia 02:16, 20 Augusti 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] Do we need the line "Administratio"?

That's it, really. So far as I can see, Administratio sets up a link to a page Res civiles ... which never exists. One likes boxes to be less wordy and less redlinked where possible. We could instead bold the boss's title (Praeses, Primus minister, whatever) and delete the line Administratio. What do you think? Andrew Dalby 09:20, 20 Augusti 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. And while we're on this subject, I may as well have a bit of a grumble. The examples underneath are taken from Francia.
  • I would like Insigne heraldicum to just become Insigne
  • I would like the following links removing, since sections on articles are the best places to add links (e.g. with {{Vide-etiam|Oeconomia ...iae}}).
  1. de area 40.a is delinked to index nationum per aream
  2. de frequentia 20.a is delinked to Index nationum per numerum incolarum
  3. $1ยท830 trilliones is delinked to Oeconomia Franciae
  4. (20.a) is delinked to Index nationum per PDB per capita
  5. de producto 7.a has no link to Index nationum per PDB
  • We can have an "if" tag with largest city, like English Wikipedia, where you can just say 'and largest city' underneath 'Capital'.
  • Also, I do not understand our policy with Time zones. Do we use the same initials as English, like some other wikis, or translate? --Harrissimo 17:14, 20 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
Harrissimo, if it's OK I'd like to keep the links to the index nationum per aream, Index nationum per numerum incolarum,Index nationum per PDB per capita, because I plan to create pages for Vicipaedia similar to ones from the english wikipedia. Perhaps I will be able to do it this weekend. I think it will be very useful to see the various statistics for all the countries together, comparing various sources of information, UN, CIA, etc... It will be easier to update the tables with new statistics as soon as they come out. As for the other requests I can do that right away.--Rafaelgarcia 18:18, 20 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
It will indeed be useful. I was just asking for these delinkings because English Wikipedia doesn't have very many it its nation infobox (at least on the France page), but as we are smaller, I guess we can probably get away with them, especially if you are turning them blue soon. --Harrissimo 18:44, 20 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
Is it possible for us to add the formula we would put in an article
in one of these boxes (like at Formula:Data urbis?)
--Harrissimo 19:53, 20 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Rafael! I can get along with adding the boxes in due course. --Harrissimo 19:09, 21 Augusti 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] One final problem

I have one final problem with the formula. It is this: When I add this formula to smaller countries or Autonomous regions, they may not have a ranking in number of people, GDP area etc. which makes the boxes just look bad (see Drustanus da Cunha and Alandia) is it possible we could add some of the magnificent "if" tags (I'm not sure if they're {{if}} or {{{if}}}) to the formula? --Harrissimo 19:38, 22 Augusti 2007 (UTC)

That's a good point. However, I don't know how to do the ifs. Maybe its easier to make up a separate formula that doesn't show the rankings but takes the same inputs.--Rafaelgarcia 19:48, 22 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
Andrew said that UV knows, so maybe I should ask him. --Harrissimo 20:52, 22 Augusti 2007 (UTC)