Disputatio:Theoria musicae
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Musica theorica? Quis hanc movit?--Ioshus (disp) 19:56, 18 Februarii 2007 (UTC)
- Gafurius et Euler ambo dicunt "theoria musicae"... Est quippe nomen libri Gafurii.--Ioshus (disp) 20:06, 18 Februarii 2007 (UTC)
[recensere] Musica Theorica
Unfortunately, my practical Latin is too bad to take part in a serious disputatione. My idea in moving Theoriam musicae was that in most latin sources, (speculative) music theory is referred to as musica theorica, as opposed to musica practica. But the tricky thing is that matters which we subsume under music theory today: counterpoint, harmony and the like, mostly belong to the realm of musica practica (which includes composition). Musica theorica is more about calculationem rationum, cosmologiam and that sort of thing. From this perspective, it would make sense to make a terminological distinction between mediaeval musica theorica and modern theoria or theorica musicae or musices. Anyway, I'm aware this needs more discussion... If you like my choice, we will have to change many nexos and categorias, as well. -- Mardilius 04:02, 19 Februarii 2007 (UTC)
- Some evidence: Google gives me over 500 hits for musica theorica, and 135 for theoria musicae. Also browse book titles in thesauro musicarum latinarum --Mardilius 04:27, 19 Februarii 2007 (UTC)
- What do I think, Ioshe? I think musica theoria looks like a calque from English "music theory," and theoria musicae looks like "the theory of music." But take my opinion cum grano salis: I'm no expert on "music theory": as an undergraduate, I went through four semesters of a course in harmony and two semesters of a course in counterpoint and may never once in those courses have heard the word theory. The course in theory was for graduate students: its first semester started & ended with the ancient Greeks. ¶ Of course musica theorica is a different question. ¶ In any case, Latin of the Golden Age for "theory" was contemplatio (says my trusty dictionary). IacobusAmor 02:15, 20 Februarii 2007 (UTC)
- Since Gafurius and others used theoria musice I think the pagina is fine now. I should rather add contens—but I need to study more latin first. -- Mardilius 05:28, 20 Februarii 2007 (UTC)
- What do I think, Ioshe? I think musica theoria looks like a calque from English "music theory," and theoria musicae looks like "the theory of music." But take my opinion cum grano salis: I'm no expert on "music theory": as an undergraduate, I went through four semesters of a course in harmony and two semesters of a course in counterpoint and may never once in those courses have heard the word theory. The course in theory was for graduate students: its first semester started & ended with the ancient Greeks. ¶ Of course musica theorica is a different question. ¶ In any case, Latin of the Golden Age for "theory" was contemplatio (says my trusty dictionary). IacobusAmor 02:15, 20 Februarii 2007 (UTC)
- I will certainly do my best to render into latin what you would like to add. I largely gave up my music theory project for lack of knowing how to write about it in latin...--Ioshus (disp) 05:40, 20 Februarii 2007 (UTC)