Abstract Wikipedia abstractwiki https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia:Main_page MediaWiki 1.47.0-wmf.2 first-letter Media Special Talk User User talk Abstract Wikipedia Abstract Wikipedia talk File File talk MediaWiki MediaWiki talk Template Template talk Help Help talk Category Category talk TimedText TimedText talk Module Module talk Translations Translations talk 4 8 8023 8006 2026-05-18T14:30:11Z Feeglgeef 36 /* Q189125 renders completely wrong */ Reply 8023 wikitext text/x-wiki This is a page where to report technical problems and bugs you might encounter on the website. Please, add your report below this line. __NEWSECTIONLINK__ [[Category:Abstract Wikipedia administration|Report A Technical Problem]] ---- == Editing and viewing abstract pages do not work == Essentially the title. To reproduce, go to, say [[Q319]]. Notice you cannot use it (it just displays JSON), and when you try to edit it, the same JSON is shown and editable. I'm sure the team is aware, just writing this down. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:58, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :[[User:Jdforrester (WMF)]] notes that abstract articles are being created in the wrong namespace, which seems the likely cause. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:00, 19 March 2026 (UTC) == Function links are 404s == If I click from https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q142 to the function view https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/en/Z27868 I get a 404 error. That seems to be true for all the "Z" links. [[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] ([[User talk:Eloquence|talk]]) 23:17, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :This also seems to happen if you click "Read". [[User: Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi!]] ([[User talk: Tenshi Hinanawi|Talk page]]) 00:29, 20 March 2026 (UTC) ::It seems to try and view functions in Abstract Wikipedia when the functions are on Wikifunctions instead. https://wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z27868 is where the link should go. [[User:ChaoticVermillion|ChaoticVermillion]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|talk]]) 00:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :Fix underway in [[phab:T420666|T420666: Our /view/ URLs aren't working on abstract.wikipedia.org, so we're generating links for users that don't work]]. Sorry for the disruption. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC) ::Note: This part is fixed; the second part is [[phab:T420670|T420670: from Abstract Wikipedia, links to ZIDs should go to Wikifunctions]] which will get deployed next week. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:42, 26 March 2026 (UTC) == Search not working == Whne I search, say Canberra, which has an Abstract Wikipedia article, the search bar takes me to [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/en/Q3114?wprov=acrw1_0 Not Found], with an error. It should go to [[Q3114|Q3114 - Abstract Wikipedia]]. [[User:ChaoticVermillion|ChaoticVermillion]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|talk]]) 00:31, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :Fix underway in [[phab:T420666|T420666: Our /view/ URLs aren't working on abstract.wikipedia.org, so we're generating links for users that don't work]] for this one too. Sorry for the disruption. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC) ::This fix is now deployed. Sorry for the disruption! [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:42, 26 March 2026 (UTC) == Undo not working == When I try to "undo" from history, it doesn't show the revert screen, but only shows the edit screen of the latest article. Maybe the same reason of mis-created namespace... [[User:Higa4|Higa4]] ([[User talk:Higa4|talk]]) 06:45, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :Filed as [[phab:T420915|T420915: Attempting to undo an Abstract article edit appears to fail, and opens the editor with the current revision]]. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC) == Special:CreateAbstract with an argument == Steps to reproduce: * Go to [[Special:CreateAbstract/Q123456]] * Add some content * Try to publish Error message: <blockquote>The value of the 'qid' property ('Q0') does not match the page title 'Q123456'</blockquote> [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 00:38, 21 March 2026 (UTC) :I got this same error message when trying to [[Special:CreateAbstract/Q151]] (of course with it saying Q151 rather than Q123456). Also occurred when I tried to create a blank page. <span class="nowrap"><code>[[User:Dot.py|dot]][[User talk:Dot.py|.]][[Special:Contributions/Dot.py (alt)|p]][[Special:Contributions/Dot.py|y]]</code></span> 23:43, 22 March 2026 (UTC) :Filed as [[phab:T420916|T420916: Direct browses to Special:CreateAbstract/Q123456 don't work on publishing, attempt to publish to Q0]]. Thanks for the report! [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:49, 23 March 2026 (UTC) ::This fix is now deployed. Sorry for the disruption! [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:43, 26 March 2026 (UTC) == Pages can't be viewed == When trying to view pages longer than a sentence that aren't hard coded copies of articles from enwiki, I get "Reached max retries. Try again later." Is this expected behavior? [[User:MetalBreaksAndBends|MetalBreaksAndBends]] ([[User talk:MetalBreaksAndBends|talk]]) 13:59, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :ex: [[Q213]] [[User:MetalBreaksAndBends|MetalBreaksAndBends]] ([[User talk:MetalBreaksAndBends|talk]]) 14:00, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :Yes it's a bug. Tracked in [[phab:T420630]]. &#123;&#123;[[User:GearsDatapacks|GearsDatapacks]]&#124;[[User talk:GearsDatapacks|talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/GearsDatapacks|contribs]]&#125;&#125; 14:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::Is there any progress on this bug being fixed? I think it is the number one issue keeping this wiki from being easily readable [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:36, 11 April 2026 (UTC) == [[f:Z26095|Z26095]] not working == Hello, I could just file a task on Phabricator but checking here first. For some reason, I can't find [[f:Z26095|Z26095]] in the list of functions. [[User:FantasticWikiUser|FantasticWikiUser]] ([[User talk:FantasticWikiUser|talk]]) 17:33, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:FantasticWikiUser|FantasticWikiUser]]: Z26095 outputs a "[https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en-gb/Z11 Monolingual text]" item, not a fragment of HTML, so it won't show up in search except in places you can use a monolingual text item, like as an argument to a Z32234 call. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 19:23, 25 March 2026 (UTC) == Mainspace content model == The content model of abstract articles, as reported by <syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext" inline>{{#contentmodel:canonical|Q1}}</syntaxhighlight>, is <code>abstractwiki</code>. Can this be changed to something else more descriptive, akin to Wikidata's <code>wikibase-item</code>/<code>wikibase-lexeme</code>/<code>wikibase-property</code> and Wikifunctions's <code>zobject</code>? <code>abstractarticle</code>, for example. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 01:24, 28 March 2026 (UTC) == 1 (Q199) isn't appearing when I choose it == For some reason, Q199 doesn't show up when it is used. 2 works fine. [[User:FantasticWikiUser|FantasticWikiUser]] ([[User talk:FantasticWikiUser|talk]]) 09:24, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :Example: [[Q199]] itself, or [[Q556]] [[User:FantasticWikiUser|FantasticWikiUser]] ([[User talk:FantasticWikiUser|talk]]) 09:31, 28 March 2026 (UTC) ::On Wikidata, [[d:Q199]] didn't have a special label for English, instead using the default for all languages. The [[f:Z23753|label of item reference in language]] function was only able to find labels in the given language, without looking for defaults, so it showed up as nothing. I added an English label for 1, so everything should be fine now. [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 10:11, 28 March 2026 (UTC) == Rate limits and other non-intelligible errors == I've been editing some pages here to experiment around, and the first thing I notice, aside from the very slow speed of how these very short sentences are constructed, are the constant errors I get. Some of these are: * [[Q711]]<br/>Wikifunctions returned a failed response: Could not acquire WASI runner within time limit * [[Q183]]<br/>Unable to render this fragment due to an unknown error. There was also something about a rate limit for the orchestrator? Is this a problem with the WMF servers? I've never noticed these kinds of performance issues, even in wikis like en-WP which have stacks and stacks of Lua modules and wikitext templates built on top of each other! [[User:LastCelebration|'''<span style="color:#d98dd3;">Last</span><span style="color:#033a7f;">Celebration</span>''']] ([[User talk:LastCelebration|talk]]) 06:54, 31 March 2026 (UTC) == Error: Lexeme lacks compatible representations == I have tried to create two articles using [[f:Z29743|Z29743]], one of which ([[Q467]]) has been successfully created. The other article was identical in structure, but linked the Wikidata items [[d:Q9800899|Q9800899]], [[d:Q6636|Q6636]], and [[d:Q467|Q467]]. However, neither article renders anything in English or French, throwing <code>Error: Lexeme lacks compatible representations</code>. Any ideas? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 18:52, 2 April 2026 (UTC) :There is a similar error at [[Q111]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 19:25, 2 April 2026 (UTC) :I think I’ve found the source of the error, and the problem is that the English lexemes with senses linking to [[:d:Q80994]] do not include the adjective [[:d:L5792]]. What you get instead is [[:d:L5791]], but that is a noun and therefore lacks the [[:d:Q3482678]] feature that the function is ultimately looking for. For English, we could avoid looking for that feature, but we currently don’t. Please compare [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z21734?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z21734%22%2C%22Z21734K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z6825%22%2C%22Z6825K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6095%22%2C%22Z6095K1%22%3A%22L3080%22%7D%7D%2C%22Z21734K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z6825%22%2C%22Z6825K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6095%22%2C%22Z6095K1%22%3A%22L5791%22%7D%7D%7D this call (with error in Details)] with [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z21734?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z21734%22%2C%22Z21734K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z6825%22%2C%22Z6825K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6095%22%2C%22Z6095K1%22%3A%22L3080%22%7D%7D%2C%22Z21734K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z6825%22%2C%22Z6825K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6095%22%2C%22Z6095K1%22%3A%22L5792%22%7D%7D%7D this one that succeeds]. :Even if the adjective were linked to the item, I think you would still fail to get the result you are looking for, because the function is not looking through the lexemes to find one that is an adjective. This is something we definitely need to do and I’m a little surprised that no one has done it yet. But only a little; there is still so much to do! [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 19:52, 2 April 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]]: I took some time to address this problem and concocted [[f:Z33078|Z33078]]. It passes one more test than the previous version, but two other tests (that the other implementations also failed) timed out. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 05:36, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :::Neat! I have connected your implementation. [[User:Redmin|Redmin]] ([[User talk:Redmin|talk]]) 06:09, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you for your contribution. The new function will naturally claim more resources simply because it looks at more lexemes. The increase seems disproportionate, however, and I haven’t investigated why that might be. (Not that I’m claiming any expertise in that area!) [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 09:44, 3 April 2026 (UTC) == Unable to select the function [[f:Z28016|Z28016]] while creating page [[Q628]] == I tried to add the function [[f:Z28016|Z28016]] on the page [[Q628]], but the selector didn't let me select the function, so i was forced to use the indonesian version of the function, and i think this is a bug, so i want to report it. [[User:Mattiz6276|Mattiz6276]] ([[User talk:Mattiz6276|talk]]) 19:11, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Mattiz6276|Mattiz6276]]: The problem here is that [[f:Z28016|Z28016]] doesn't return a type that can be cast as HTML raw content, but rather monolingual text. Also, it looks like you wanted [[f:Z26570|Z26570]], so I changed it to use that. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 20:07, 3 April 2026 (UTC) ::Hi, i haven't been active on Abstract Wikipedia for a while (i mainly edit it.wiki), so sorry to not have answered you sooner. ::Thank you for helping me fix [[Q628]] and showing me what functions to use. [[User:Mattiz6276|Mattiz6276]] ([[User talk:Mattiz6276|talk]]) 07:54, 6 April 2026 (UTC) == A language selector should be available, even for users not logged in == Abstract Wikipedia should have a language selector like [https://www.wikifunctions.org/ Wikifunctions] does, even for users not logged in to a Wikimedia account. Without a language selector, it is not at all clear how people can even read the main page's introduction of Abstract Wikipedia in a language besides English. The only way I see to change language is to add <code>uselang=[xx]</code> at the end of a URL with a language code like [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia:Main_page?uselang=de <code>uselang=[de]]</code> for German. But that is not easy for many users to discover. [[User:Lovelano|Lovelano]] ([[User talk:Lovelano|talk]]) 00:45, 2 May 2026 (UTC) == [[Q189125]] renders completely wrong == [[Q189125]] renders as the sentence "Transgender persons change gender identities." three times, even though that is very much not the structure of the page. Could anyone look at what's going on here? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 18:21, 17 May 2026 (UTC) :Using [[f:Z33068]] seems to have fixed this. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:30, 18 May 2026 (UTC) clymv1k0a7ewipz4lmawxjfwp8p5plz 5 24 8028 8012 2026-05-18T16:24:57Z Jdforrester (WMF) 5 Undid revision [[Special:Diff/8012|8012]] by [[Special:Contributions/~2026-29800-99|~2026-29800-99]] ([[User talk:~2026-29800-99|talk]]); test edit? 8028 wikitext text/x-wiki *''This is the place where you can discuss the Main Page.'' ** ''The Main Page can be translated at [[Template:Main page]].'' ** ''The Main Page News can be translated at [[Template:Main page/News]].'' *'''''General project discussion takes place at [[Abstract:Project chat]].''''' == Editing Main page? == I suppose main page isn't critical and we are not a bureaucracy, but I am surprised I can edit main page even with 0 edits on this Wiki [[User:Shushugah|Shushugah]] ([[User talk:Shushugah|talk]]) 17:36, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :Something tells me it's not going to be kept open for very long… [[User:HartOve|HartOve]] ([[User talk:HartOve|talk]]) 19:12, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :Shouldn't project pages be in 'abstract language'? AFAICT this is only available in English [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 19:37, 19 March 2026 (UTC) ::That's not what the project means. It will be translatable eventually. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :It's fine for now. I'd expect that to change in the next day but popular edits to the main page are necessary to ensure it is good before it is locked, especially since we have no administrators locally (besides global admins, I suppose, and staff have the rights). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:39, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :I was just coming to comment the same thing, but I suppose only people who follow WMF closely will know about this project so far, so the chance of vandalism is low. [[User:GearsDatapacks|GearsDatapacks]] ([[User talk:GearsDatapacks|talk]]) 20:25, 19 March 2026 (UTC) While waiting for a more formal decision I pre-emptively protected the main page (to autoconfirmed only for now). Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 21:22, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :I don't think anyone is autoconfirmed on this wiki yet. Doesn't this mean no one can edit the main page? [[User:ChaoticVermillion|ChaoticVermillion]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|talk]]) 23:33, 19 March 2026 (UTC) ::{{ping|ChaoticVermillion}} indeed there is no autoconfirmed user yet, but that could/should change soon. Also, stewards and global admins can still edit the main page (cf. below). Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 06:48, 20 March 2026 (UTC) == Initial design of main page == I just wanted to share that the initial design was copied from [[:f:Wikifunctions:Main Page|Wikifunctions' main page]], so it is originally our team's idea, but the sister projects' section and the CSS at the base are product of the Wikifunctions community. This message is to acknowledge copyright where it's due. [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 21:18, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :If it's for copyright reasons, providing a permalink to the version that was copied is customary. [[User:Ainali|Ainali]] ([[User talk:Ainali|talk]]) 21:22, 19 March 2026 (UTC) ::Right. The base is from [https://www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Main_page&oldid=1170 this version], but the sister projects are from [https://www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Main_page&oldid=258133 this version]. The CSS is from [https://www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Main_page/styles.css&oldid=173459 this version]. [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 21:29, 19 March 2026 (UTC) == Remove broken notice == Please remove the notice that creating a page is broken. It has been fixed! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:21, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :{{Done}} [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 22:41, 19 March 2026 (UTC) == Broken Links == Some of the links leading to the other Wikimedia projects lead to "Create a New Abstract Article for V:⧼lang⧽:", which seems counter-intuitive, shouldn't it lead to the actual sites? [[User:Raiunip|Raiunip]] ([[User talk:Raiunip|talk]]) 23:07, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :More specifically, it leads to an abstract wikipedia article, whereas I would expect it to lead to their own websites, since, for example, wikidata leads to its own website. This therefore demonstrates inconsistent behavior. [[User:Raiunip|Raiunip]] ([[User talk:Raiunip|talk]]) 23:28, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Raiunip|Raiunip]]: I've temporarily [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Abstract_Wikipedia:Main_page&diff=prev&oldid=2122 removed the language-specific links] which are broken to fix this. They can be restored when/if the page is converted to use the Translate extension; for now, they will always point to the English Wikipedia/Wikibooks/''etc.'' regardless of the user's language, sadly. CC @[[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]]. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 20:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC) == Misspelling == Wikifunctions Glossary is spelled as "Wiki functions Glossary" [[User:Raiunip|Raiunip]] ([[User talk:Raiunip|talk]]) 23:12, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :If [[Special:diff/1627|this]] is the case, {{fixed}}. [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 23:22, 19 March 2026 (UTC) ::Yep! My auto-correct was little too helpful this time around! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17384-61|&#126;2026-17384-61]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-17384-61|talk]]) 23:24, 19 March 2026 (UTC) == Article count == On [[en:Main Page]], there's a counter for active users and articles. Would anyone object if I were to add the counter to this page and the accompanying css to [[Template:Main page/styles.css]]? <span class="nowrap"><code>[[User:Dot.py|dot]][[User talk:Dot.py|.]][[Special:Contributions/Dot.py (alt)|p]][[Special:Contributions/Dot.py|y]]</code></span> 01:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :They might, after you’ve done it. We are young and beta enough for you to be bold! But be not offended if the reversion is swift. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 00:23, 31 March 2026 (UTC) :I added it, however when reading it, it incorrectly seems to be anchored to the left rather than the center, even though on edit preview it appears centered. <span class="nowrap"><code>[[User:Dot.py (alt)|dot]][[User talk:Dot.py (alt)|.]][[Special:Contributions/Dot.py|p]][[Special:Contributions/Dot.py (alt)|y]]</code> [[:en:WP:PUBLICSOCK|(alt)]]</span> 18:09, 31 March 2026 (UTC) == Main page accessibility == [moved from [[Abstract Wikipedia:Community portal]] [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 09:11, 3 April 2026 (UTC) Copying from [[User talk:Feeglgeef#Main page]]: <blockquote> All of these [changes made in [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Abstract_Wikipedia:Main_page&diff=prev&oldid=126 this edit]] are obvious acceessibility improvements, like fixing skipped heading levels (jumping from <code>&lt;h1&gt;</code> to <code>&lt;h3&gt;</code>) and broken definition list markup (<code>; </code> without following <code>: </code>). </blockquote> [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17307-00|&#126;2026-17307-00]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-17307-00|talk]]) 20:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :I agree. Even if the changes also had a visual impact, I find the revert comment "please discuss stylistic changes" to go against the wiki spirit. Especially in a young wiki like this one, when being bold should be emphasized. [[User:Ainali|Ainali]] ([[User talk:Ainali|talk]]) 20:53, 19 March 2026 (UTC) ::+1 [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 06:50, 5 April 2026 (UTC) :I propose moving this topic to [[Abstract Wikipedia Talk:Main page]], but please feel free to move it to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat]], if you prefer. :Please see [[Abstract Wikipedia Talk:Community portal#Purpose]] for any discussion about the misleading content of this page. This will be attended to in due course, assuming we reach some sort of consensus. :(I would offer an apology, but it’s nothing to do with me. I do consider it regrettable, however.) [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 11:43, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ozapk53zirquw9ya6rzmul55gjcvzfn 3 42 8019 8010 2026-05-18T14:03:37Z Jdforrester (WMF) 5 /* Translations in French */ Reply 8019 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Main page== All of these are obvious acceessibility improvements, like fixing skipped heading levels (jumping from <code>&lt;h1&gt;</code> to <code>&lt;h3&gt;</code>) and broken definition list markup (<code>; </code> without following <code>: </code>). [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17307-00|&#126;2026-17307-00]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-17307-00|talk]]) 20:32, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :Ok. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:34, 19 March 2026 (UTC) == term == I understand the anti-AI (or pro-human) sentiment, but could you avoid using a word for which the entire joke is that it's like an ethnic slur? It's not the robots who are affected by that. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:21, 7 April 2026 (UTC) : Oh, of course. I apologize if my use of the term offended you, that was not my intent. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:52, 7 April 2026 (UTC) :: I don't think personal offense or lack thereof is the issue really, it's about not letting the high tensions of our (post, post)modern age be the reason that civility is unworkable in this wiki. Sure, Abstract Wikipedia has the technical aspect to consider, but basically it's still an encyclopedia; we all need to be [[abstract:HERE|WP:HERE]] to make the project function if it's going to, otherwise it won't. That doesn't mean withhold criticism, it means finding a mode of communicating it that doesn't close off possibilities. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:54, 8 April 2026 (UTC) ::: Personally, I don't think anyone was being uncivil. However, "be the reason that civility is unworkable in this wiki" implies that you would think so, or no? Either way, I personally don't find how a jocular term like "clanker" is exactly itself uncivil. [[User:Babelball|Babelball]] ([[User talk:Babelball|talk]]) 21:45, 8 April 2026 (UTC) :::: Because the joke is "see, I get to use a slur against the AI because it's not a person", which ignores that real people use the AI, and real people made it in the first place (some under oppressive working conditions), and real people have been the targets of the slurs which 'clanker' takes inspiration from. Go ahead and tell me that '[[wikt:clanka|clanka]]' isn't what it clearly appears to be, for example. My wider point is that if Abstract Wikipedia becomes just a place for culture warring, then it's not useful as a general-purpose encyclopedia (or source of linguistic structures from which encyclopediae in various languages might be produced). — [[user:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[user talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 21:50, 8 April 2026 (UTC) ::::: Firstly, ''clanka'' is literally the definition of satirism. Secondly, the term ''clanker'' is not directed towards those that use AI or help to create it — it's directed towards AI. Your emphasis on ''clanker'' disrespecting those people is a little silly. Thirdly, there was no culture-war in place. From what I can tell, @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] was using ''clanker'' satirically while informing Immanuelle that they were plagiarizing. — [[user:Babelball|Babelball]] ([[user talk:Babelball|talk]]) 22:03, 8 April 2026 (UTC) (dedent) Silly I am, but in this matter I am being serious (and I don't generally think that satirical or jocular speech is all that different from speech, broadly construed). The interpersonal politics around the use of AI are currently embroiled in a culture war, and the wiki-contributing portion of the world is not immune to the controversy; due to the computational linguistic basis of Abstract Wikipedia, it is even more liable to this topic.<br />I welcome valid critiques of AI, but in this context I think we the wiki community require it in the form of policy-setting for the project as discussed in the relevant forums,<ref group="e.g.">For example, the UI of the software that is on GitHub recommends using a bot account (perhaps because it is a semi-automated activity like adding QuickStatements would be on Wikidata) but it seems Immanuelle is using a personal/main account for such edits. What if anything should the wiki guidance recommend for quality assurance when creating and updating articles?</ref> rather than as name-calling, which 'clanker' is if nothing else. The AI can't take offense, since the hardware is made of rocks and about as lively, and the software is [[xkcd:1838|stirfried]] internet. So only the humans are around to read that, so it is them to which reasoned arguments should instead be directed, preferably in a process of consensus-seeking. I believe Feeglgeef's assertion above of no intent to offend, and even if I didn't have that positive belief I'd be giving coeditors the benefit of reasonable doubt, so I am not worried about for example Code of Conduct violations in the present. However, I think it best to address matters with discussion as soon as they become relevant. I am thankful for both your and Feeglgeef's contributions in mainspace and at Wikifunctions, as far as I have seen. In the project namespace here however, I note that NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh reverted a contra-AI edit to [[abstract:tools]] as being arbitrary, so I think I am likely not the only one who feels that employing a combative approach regarding AI and the people who use it is not an appropriate method for a collaborative editing environs, especially when there are more constructive alternatives. Since I mentioned Immanuelle and NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh, I am letting them find this post via ping, but Feeglgeef's talk page is not the best location for extended discussion (I regret taking the expeditious action a couple days ago... I didn't want to derail the thread at PC with what was initially an aside) so perhaps at [[Abstract Wikipedia talk:bot policy|bot policy]] or [[Abstract Wikipedia talk:automation|automation]] or even [[Abstract Wikipedia talk:AI|AI]] would be a good place to move. [[abstract:project chat]] is still a good general forum, but more specific pages can help focus the topic. — [[user:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[user talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 02:43, 9 April 2026 (UTC) : To be clear, "bot account" most likely means a [[Special:BotPasswords|bot password]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 02:49, 9 April 2026 (UTC) :: Ah, thank you for the link. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 02:52, 9 April 2026 (UTC) <references group="e.g." /> == Translations in French == Hi Feeglgeef. I want to translate in French Abstract Wikipedia as I start to Wikifunctions, but I don't know where to start. [[User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick]] ([[User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|talk]]) 08:51, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :Hi! I'm not sure whether you want to: :# translate Abstract Wikipedia's interface; :# translate Abstract Wikipedia's display of unrendered abstract content; or :# improve the ability to render abstract content in French. :If you mean its interface, try [https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special%3ATranslate&group=ext-wikilambda-abstract&language=fr&filter=%21translated&action=translate translatewiki.net], I think you need to sign up for an account. If you mean its display of unrendered content, it gets that from the labels on WF, so do that there. If you mean #3 its much more difficult because it requires more technical knowledge. Thank you for your willingness to contribute, it's really appreciated. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thanks Feeglgeef. It was the first point. I just join translatewiki and make twenty translations. I must now wait. [[User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick]] ([[User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|talk]]) 16:30, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you, it is now done. On [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/fr/Q317521 this page for example], "Abstract Article", "Generated text", "Wikifunctions returned a failed response:" (but not the error itself), "wikidata item reference" and "language" are in English. If it is just a question of update for the firsts, I don't know where to go to translate "wikidata item reference" and "language", or maybe they are just taken from Wikifunction in English for the moment. I am not skilled in programming, so I am focusing on translation. [[User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick]] ([[User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|talk]]) 19:06, 17 May 2026 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Jdforrester (WMF)|p=,}} I apologize for making a habit out of pinging you, are these texts are unable to be internationalized, or is there somewhere else to do that? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:55, 17 May 2026 (UTC) :::::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: As you say, interface text is indeed translated on TWN. This is exported into the development repo, and then pushed to production each week as part of the normal process. :::::For example, "Abstract Article" is [[betawiki:MediaWiki:Content-model-abstractwiki/fr|content-model-abstractwiki]], translated as "''Article résumé''" by @[[User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick]] on Friday; it will be here this Wednesday. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:03, 18 May 2026 (UTC) aco6ojhbxgr1tg5wwrn9xjqt33cwmwg 8020 8019 2026-05-18T14:25:30Z Feeglgeef 36 /* Translations in French */ Reply 8020 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Main page== All of these are obvious acceessibility improvements, like fixing skipped heading levels (jumping from <code>&lt;h1&gt;</code> to <code>&lt;h3&gt;</code>) and broken definition list markup (<code>; </code> without following <code>: </code>). [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17307-00|&#126;2026-17307-00]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-17307-00|talk]]) 20:32, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :Ok. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:34, 19 March 2026 (UTC) == term == I understand the anti-AI (or pro-human) sentiment, but could you avoid using a word for which the entire joke is that it's like an ethnic slur? It's not the robots who are affected by that. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:21, 7 April 2026 (UTC) : Oh, of course. I apologize if my use of the term offended you, that was not my intent. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:52, 7 April 2026 (UTC) :: I don't think personal offense or lack thereof is the issue really, it's about not letting the high tensions of our (post, post)modern age be the reason that civility is unworkable in this wiki. Sure, Abstract Wikipedia has the technical aspect to consider, but basically it's still an encyclopedia; we all need to be [[abstract:HERE|WP:HERE]] to make the project function if it's going to, otherwise it won't. That doesn't mean withhold criticism, it means finding a mode of communicating it that doesn't close off possibilities. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:54, 8 April 2026 (UTC) ::: Personally, I don't think anyone was being uncivil. However, "be the reason that civility is unworkable in this wiki" implies that you would think so, or no? Either way, I personally don't find how a jocular term like "clanker" is exactly itself uncivil. [[User:Babelball|Babelball]] ([[User talk:Babelball|talk]]) 21:45, 8 April 2026 (UTC) :::: Because the joke is "see, I get to use a slur against the AI because it's not a person", which ignores that real people use the AI, and real people made it in the first place (some under oppressive working conditions), and real people have been the targets of the slurs which 'clanker' takes inspiration from. Go ahead and tell me that '[[wikt:clanka|clanka]]' isn't what it clearly appears to be, for example. My wider point is that if Abstract Wikipedia becomes just a place for culture warring, then it's not useful as a general-purpose encyclopedia (or source of linguistic structures from which encyclopediae in various languages might be produced). — [[user:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[user talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 21:50, 8 April 2026 (UTC) ::::: Firstly, ''clanka'' is literally the definition of satirism. Secondly, the term ''clanker'' is not directed towards those that use AI or help to create it — it's directed towards AI. Your emphasis on ''clanker'' disrespecting those people is a little silly. Thirdly, there was no culture-war in place. From what I can tell, @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] was using ''clanker'' satirically while informing Immanuelle that they were plagiarizing. — [[user:Babelball|Babelball]] ([[user talk:Babelball|talk]]) 22:03, 8 April 2026 (UTC) (dedent) Silly I am, but in this matter I am being serious (and I don't generally think that satirical or jocular speech is all that different from speech, broadly construed). The interpersonal politics around the use of AI are currently embroiled in a culture war, and the wiki-contributing portion of the world is not immune to the controversy; due to the computational linguistic basis of Abstract Wikipedia, it is even more liable to this topic.<br />I welcome valid critiques of AI, but in this context I think we the wiki community require it in the form of policy-setting for the project as discussed in the relevant forums,<ref group="e.g.">For example, the UI of the software that is on GitHub recommends using a bot account (perhaps because it is a semi-automated activity like adding QuickStatements would be on Wikidata) but it seems Immanuelle is using a personal/main account for such edits. What if anything should the wiki guidance recommend for quality assurance when creating and updating articles?</ref> rather than as name-calling, which 'clanker' is if nothing else. The AI can't take offense, since the hardware is made of rocks and about as lively, and the software is [[xkcd:1838|stirfried]] internet. So only the humans are around to read that, so it is them to which reasoned arguments should instead be directed, preferably in a process of consensus-seeking. I believe Feeglgeef's assertion above of no intent to offend, and even if I didn't have that positive belief I'd be giving coeditors the benefit of reasonable doubt, so I am not worried about for example Code of Conduct violations in the present. However, I think it best to address matters with discussion as soon as they become relevant. I am thankful for both your and Feeglgeef's contributions in mainspace and at Wikifunctions, as far as I have seen. In the project namespace here however, I note that NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh reverted a contra-AI edit to [[abstract:tools]] as being arbitrary, so I think I am likely not the only one who feels that employing a combative approach regarding AI and the people who use it is not an appropriate method for a collaborative editing environs, especially when there are more constructive alternatives. Since I mentioned Immanuelle and NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh, I am letting them find this post via ping, but Feeglgeef's talk page is not the best location for extended discussion (I regret taking the expeditious action a couple days ago... I didn't want to derail the thread at PC with what was initially an aside) so perhaps at [[Abstract Wikipedia talk:bot policy|bot policy]] or [[Abstract Wikipedia talk:automation|automation]] or even [[Abstract Wikipedia talk:AI|AI]] would be a good place to move. [[abstract:project chat]] is still a good general forum, but more specific pages can help focus the topic. — [[user:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[user talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 02:43, 9 April 2026 (UTC) : To be clear, "bot account" most likely means a [[Special:BotPasswords|bot password]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 02:49, 9 April 2026 (UTC) :: Ah, thank you for the link. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 02:52, 9 April 2026 (UTC) <references group="e.g." /> == Translations in French == Hi Feeglgeef. I want to translate in French Abstract Wikipedia as I start to Wikifunctions, but I don't know where to start. [[User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick]] ([[User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|talk]]) 08:51, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :Hi! I'm not sure whether you want to: :# translate Abstract Wikipedia's interface; :# translate Abstract Wikipedia's display of unrendered abstract content; or :# improve the ability to render abstract content in French. :If you mean its interface, try [https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special%3ATranslate&group=ext-wikilambda-abstract&language=fr&filter=%21translated&action=translate translatewiki.net], I think you need to sign up for an account. If you mean its display of unrendered content, it gets that from the labels on WF, so do that there. If you mean #3 its much more difficult because it requires more technical knowledge. Thank you for your willingness to contribute, it's really appreciated. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thanks Feeglgeef. It was the first point. I just join translatewiki and make twenty translations. I must now wait. [[User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick]] ([[User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|talk]]) 16:30, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you, it is now done. On [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/fr/Q317521 this page for example], "Abstract Article", "Generated text", "Wikifunctions returned a failed response:" (but not the error itself), "wikidata item reference" and "language" are in English. If it is just a question of update for the firsts, I don't know where to go to translate "wikidata item reference" and "language", or maybe they are just taken from Wikifunction in English for the moment. I am not skilled in programming, so I am focusing on translation. [[User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick]] ([[User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|talk]]) 19:06, 17 May 2026 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Jdforrester (WMF)|p=,}} I apologize for making a habit out of pinging you, are these texts are unable to be internationalized, or is there somewhere else to do that? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:55, 17 May 2026 (UTC) :::::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: As you say, interface text is indeed translated on TWN. This is exported into the development repo, and then pushed to production each week as part of the normal process. :::::For example, "Abstract Article" is [[betawiki:MediaWiki:Content-model-abstractwiki/fr|content-model-abstractwiki]], translated as "''Article résumé''" by @[[User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick]] on Friday; it will be here this Wednesday. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:03, 18 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::Alright. Thank you! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:25, 18 May 2026 (UTC) gllnsarj1xg8oetyywdoe9r4unbgsc1 8047 8020 2026-05-19T00:50:24Z Theki 2698 /* Special:Diff/8021 */ new section 8047 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Main page== All of these are obvious acceessibility improvements, like fixing skipped heading levels (jumping from <code>&lt;h1&gt;</code> to <code>&lt;h3&gt;</code>) and broken definition list markup (<code>; </code> without following <code>: </code>). [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17307-00|&#126;2026-17307-00]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-17307-00|talk]]) 20:32, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :Ok. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:34, 19 March 2026 (UTC) == term == I understand the anti-AI (or pro-human) sentiment, but could you avoid using a word for which the entire joke is that it's like an ethnic slur? It's not the robots who are affected by that. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:21, 7 April 2026 (UTC) : Oh, of course. I apologize if my use of the term offended you, that was not my intent. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:52, 7 April 2026 (UTC) :: I don't think personal offense or lack thereof is the issue really, it's about not letting the high tensions of our (post, post)modern age be the reason that civility is unworkable in this wiki. Sure, Abstract Wikipedia has the technical aspect to consider, but basically it's still an encyclopedia; we all need to be [[abstract:HERE|WP:HERE]] to make the project function if it's going to, otherwise it won't. That doesn't mean withhold criticism, it means finding a mode of communicating it that doesn't close off possibilities. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:54, 8 April 2026 (UTC) ::: Personally, I don't think anyone was being uncivil. However, "be the reason that civility is unworkable in this wiki" implies that you would think so, or no? Either way, I personally don't find how a jocular term like "clanker" is exactly itself uncivil. [[User:Babelball|Babelball]] ([[User talk:Babelball|talk]]) 21:45, 8 April 2026 (UTC) :::: Because the joke is "see, I get to use a slur against the AI because it's not a person", which ignores that real people use the AI, and real people made it in the first place (some under oppressive working conditions), and real people have been the targets of the slurs which 'clanker' takes inspiration from. Go ahead and tell me that '[[wikt:clanka|clanka]]' isn't what it clearly appears to be, for example. My wider point is that if Abstract Wikipedia becomes just a place for culture warring, then it's not useful as a general-purpose encyclopedia (or source of linguistic structures from which encyclopediae in various languages might be produced). — [[user:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[user talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 21:50, 8 April 2026 (UTC) ::::: Firstly, ''clanka'' is literally the definition of satirism. Secondly, the term ''clanker'' is not directed towards those that use AI or help to create it — it's directed towards AI. Your emphasis on ''clanker'' disrespecting those people is a little silly. Thirdly, there was no culture-war in place. From what I can tell, @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] was using ''clanker'' satirically while informing Immanuelle that they were plagiarizing. — [[user:Babelball|Babelball]] ([[user talk:Babelball|talk]]) 22:03, 8 April 2026 (UTC) (dedent) Silly I am, but in this matter I am being serious (and I don't generally think that satirical or jocular speech is all that different from speech, broadly construed). The interpersonal politics around the use of AI are currently embroiled in a culture war, and the wiki-contributing portion of the world is not immune to the controversy; due to the computational linguistic basis of Abstract Wikipedia, it is even more liable to this topic.<br />I welcome valid critiques of AI, but in this context I think we the wiki community require it in the form of policy-setting for the project as discussed in the relevant forums,<ref group="e.g.">For example, the UI of the software that is on GitHub recommends using a bot account (perhaps because it is a semi-automated activity like adding QuickStatements would be on Wikidata) but it seems Immanuelle is using a personal/main account for such edits. What if anything should the wiki guidance recommend for quality assurance when creating and updating articles?</ref> rather than as name-calling, which 'clanker' is if nothing else. The AI can't take offense, since the hardware is made of rocks and about as lively, and the software is [[xkcd:1838|stirfried]] internet. So only the humans are around to read that, so it is them to which reasoned arguments should instead be directed, preferably in a process of consensus-seeking. I believe Feeglgeef's assertion above of no intent to offend, and even if I didn't have that positive belief I'd be giving coeditors the benefit of reasonable doubt, so I am not worried about for example Code of Conduct violations in the present. However, I think it best to address matters with discussion as soon as they become relevant. I am thankful for both your and Feeglgeef's contributions in mainspace and at Wikifunctions, as far as I have seen. In the project namespace here however, I note that NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh reverted a contra-AI edit to [[abstract:tools]] as being arbitrary, so I think I am likely not the only one who feels that employing a combative approach regarding AI and the people who use it is not an appropriate method for a collaborative editing environs, especially when there are more constructive alternatives. Since I mentioned Immanuelle and NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh, I am letting them find this post via ping, but Feeglgeef's talk page is not the best location for extended discussion (I regret taking the expeditious action a couple days ago... I didn't want to derail the thread at PC with what was initially an aside) so perhaps at [[Abstract Wikipedia talk:bot policy|bot policy]] or [[Abstract Wikipedia talk:automation|automation]] or even [[Abstract Wikipedia talk:AI|AI]] would be a good place to move. [[abstract:project chat]] is still a good general forum, but more specific pages can help focus the topic. — [[user:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[user talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 02:43, 9 April 2026 (UTC) : To be clear, "bot account" most likely means a [[Special:BotPasswords|bot password]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 02:49, 9 April 2026 (UTC) :: Ah, thank you for the link. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 02:52, 9 April 2026 (UTC) <references group="e.g." /> == Translations in French == Hi Feeglgeef. I want to translate in French Abstract Wikipedia as I start to Wikifunctions, but I don't know where to start. [[User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick]] ([[User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|talk]]) 08:51, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :Hi! I'm not sure whether you want to: :# translate Abstract Wikipedia's interface; :# translate Abstract Wikipedia's display of unrendered abstract content; or :# improve the ability to render abstract content in French. :If you mean its interface, try [https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special%3ATranslate&group=ext-wikilambda-abstract&language=fr&filter=%21translated&action=translate translatewiki.net], I think you need to sign up for an account. If you mean its display of unrendered content, it gets that from the labels on WF, so do that there. If you mean #3 its much more difficult because it requires more technical knowledge. Thank you for your willingness to contribute, it's really appreciated. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thanks Feeglgeef. It was the first point. I just join translatewiki and make twenty translations. I must now wait. [[User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick]] ([[User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|talk]]) 16:30, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you, it is now done. On [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/fr/Q317521 this page for example], "Abstract Article", "Generated text", "Wikifunctions returned a failed response:" (but not the error itself), "wikidata item reference" and "language" are in English. If it is just a question of update for the firsts, I don't know where to go to translate "wikidata item reference" and "language", or maybe they are just taken from Wikifunction in English for the moment. I am not skilled in programming, so I am focusing on translation. [[User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick]] ([[User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|talk]]) 19:06, 17 May 2026 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Jdforrester (WMF)|p=,}} I apologize for making a habit out of pinging you, are these texts are unable to be internationalized, or is there somewhere else to do that? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:55, 17 May 2026 (UTC) :::::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: As you say, interface text is indeed translated on TWN. This is exported into the development repo, and then pushed to production each week as part of the normal process. :::::For example, "Abstract Article" is [[betawiki:MediaWiki:Content-model-abstractwiki/fr|content-model-abstractwiki]], translated as "''Article résumé''" by @[[User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick]] on Friday; it will be here this Wednesday. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:03, 18 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::Alright. Thank you! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:25, 18 May 2026 (UTC) == [[Special:Diff/8021]] == Nice. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 00:50, 19 May 2026 (UTC) mpbqlxnhqujzv4vr2zoxh8wzrkskei3 8052 8047 2026-05-19T01:26:24Z Feeglgeef 36 /* Special:Diff/8021 */ Reply 8052 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Main page== All of these are obvious acceessibility improvements, like fixing skipped heading levels (jumping from <code>&lt;h1&gt;</code> to <code>&lt;h3&gt;</code>) and broken definition list markup (<code>; </code> without following <code>: </code>). [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17307-00|&#126;2026-17307-00]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-17307-00|talk]]) 20:32, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :Ok. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:34, 19 March 2026 (UTC) == term == I understand the anti-AI (or pro-human) sentiment, but could you avoid using a word for which the entire joke is that it's like an ethnic slur? It's not the robots who are affected by that. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:21, 7 April 2026 (UTC) : Oh, of course. I apologize if my use of the term offended you, that was not my intent. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:52, 7 April 2026 (UTC) :: I don't think personal offense or lack thereof is the issue really, it's about not letting the high tensions of our (post, post)modern age be the reason that civility is unworkable in this wiki. Sure, Abstract Wikipedia has the technical aspect to consider, but basically it's still an encyclopedia; we all need to be [[abstract:HERE|WP:HERE]] to make the project function if it's going to, otherwise it won't. That doesn't mean withhold criticism, it means finding a mode of communicating it that doesn't close off possibilities. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:54, 8 April 2026 (UTC) ::: Personally, I don't think anyone was being uncivil. However, "be the reason that civility is unworkable in this wiki" implies that you would think so, or no? Either way, I personally don't find how a jocular term like "clanker" is exactly itself uncivil. [[User:Babelball|Babelball]] ([[User talk:Babelball|talk]]) 21:45, 8 April 2026 (UTC) :::: Because the joke is "see, I get to use a slur against the AI because it's not a person", which ignores that real people use the AI, and real people made it in the first place (some under oppressive working conditions), and real people have been the targets of the slurs which 'clanker' takes inspiration from. Go ahead and tell me that '[[wikt:clanka|clanka]]' isn't what it clearly appears to be, for example. My wider point is that if Abstract Wikipedia becomes just a place for culture warring, then it's not useful as a general-purpose encyclopedia (or source of linguistic structures from which encyclopediae in various languages might be produced). — [[user:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[user talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 21:50, 8 April 2026 (UTC) ::::: Firstly, ''clanka'' is literally the definition of satirism. Secondly, the term ''clanker'' is not directed towards those that use AI or help to create it — it's directed towards AI. Your emphasis on ''clanker'' disrespecting those people is a little silly. Thirdly, there was no culture-war in place. From what I can tell, @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] was using ''clanker'' satirically while informing Immanuelle that they were plagiarizing. — [[user:Babelball|Babelball]] ([[user talk:Babelball|talk]]) 22:03, 8 April 2026 (UTC) (dedent) Silly I am, but in this matter I am being serious (and I don't generally think that satirical or jocular speech is all that different from speech, broadly construed). The interpersonal politics around the use of AI are currently embroiled in a culture war, and the wiki-contributing portion of the world is not immune to the controversy; due to the computational linguistic basis of Abstract Wikipedia, it is even more liable to this topic.<br />I welcome valid critiques of AI, but in this context I think we the wiki community require it in the form of policy-setting for the project as discussed in the relevant forums,<ref group="e.g.">For example, the UI of the software that is on GitHub recommends using a bot account (perhaps because it is a semi-automated activity like adding QuickStatements would be on Wikidata) but it seems Immanuelle is using a personal/main account for such edits. What if anything should the wiki guidance recommend for quality assurance when creating and updating articles?</ref> rather than as name-calling, which 'clanker' is if nothing else. The AI can't take offense, since the hardware is made of rocks and about as lively, and the software is [[xkcd:1838|stirfried]] internet. So only the humans are around to read that, so it is them to which reasoned arguments should instead be directed, preferably in a process of consensus-seeking. I believe Feeglgeef's assertion above of no intent to offend, and even if I didn't have that positive belief I'd be giving coeditors the benefit of reasonable doubt, so I am not worried about for example Code of Conduct violations in the present. However, I think it best to address matters with discussion as soon as they become relevant. I am thankful for both your and Feeglgeef's contributions in mainspace and at Wikifunctions, as far as I have seen. In the project namespace here however, I note that NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh reverted a contra-AI edit to [[abstract:tools]] as being arbitrary, so I think I am likely not the only one who feels that employing a combative approach regarding AI and the people who use it is not an appropriate method for a collaborative editing environs, especially when there are more constructive alternatives. Since I mentioned Immanuelle and NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh, I am letting them find this post via ping, but Feeglgeef's talk page is not the best location for extended discussion (I regret taking the expeditious action a couple days ago... I didn't want to derail the thread at PC with what was initially an aside) so perhaps at [[Abstract Wikipedia talk:bot policy|bot policy]] or [[Abstract Wikipedia talk:automation|automation]] or even [[Abstract Wikipedia talk:AI|AI]] would be a good place to move. [[abstract:project chat]] is still a good general forum, but more specific pages can help focus the topic. — [[user:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[user talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 02:43, 9 April 2026 (UTC) : To be clear, "bot account" most likely means a [[Special:BotPasswords|bot password]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 02:49, 9 April 2026 (UTC) :: Ah, thank you for the link. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 02:52, 9 April 2026 (UTC) <references group="e.g." /> == Translations in French == Hi Feeglgeef. I want to translate in French Abstract Wikipedia as I start to Wikifunctions, but I don't know where to start. [[User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick]] ([[User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|talk]]) 08:51, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :Hi! I'm not sure whether you want to: :# translate Abstract Wikipedia's interface; :# translate Abstract Wikipedia's display of unrendered abstract content; or :# improve the ability to render abstract content in French. :If you mean its interface, try [https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special%3ATranslate&group=ext-wikilambda-abstract&language=fr&filter=%21translated&action=translate translatewiki.net], I think you need to sign up for an account. If you mean its display of unrendered content, it gets that from the labels on WF, so do that there. If you mean #3 its much more difficult because it requires more technical knowledge. Thank you for your willingness to contribute, it's really appreciated. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thanks Feeglgeef. It was the first point. I just join translatewiki and make twenty translations. I must now wait. [[User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick]] ([[User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|talk]]) 16:30, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you, it is now done. On [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/fr/Q317521 this page for example], "Abstract Article", "Generated text", "Wikifunctions returned a failed response:" (but not the error itself), "wikidata item reference" and "language" are in English. If it is just a question of update for the firsts, I don't know where to go to translate "wikidata item reference" and "language", or maybe they are just taken from Wikifunction in English for the moment. I am not skilled in programming, so I am focusing on translation. [[User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick]] ([[User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|talk]]) 19:06, 17 May 2026 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Jdforrester (WMF)|p=,}} I apologize for making a habit out of pinging you, are these texts are unable to be internationalized, or is there somewhere else to do that? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:55, 17 May 2026 (UTC) :::::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: As you say, interface text is indeed translated on TWN. This is exported into the development repo, and then pushed to production each week as part of the normal process. :::::For example, "Abstract Article" is [[betawiki:MediaWiki:Content-model-abstractwiki/fr|content-model-abstractwiki]], translated as "''Article résumé''" by @[[User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick]] on Friday; it will be here this Wednesday. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:03, 18 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::Alright. Thank you! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:25, 18 May 2026 (UTC) == [[Special:Diff/8021]] == Nice. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 00:50, 19 May 2026 (UTC) :😁 [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:26, 19 May 2026 (UTC) e682up86pmy2jtg5jm2xw0nv0reg0ws 4 450 8033 6103 2026-05-18T19:07:40Z JJPMaster 1823 /* Scholarly articles */ new section 8033 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ This page is the venue to request for the deletion of pages that cannot be speedy deleted (see also [[Template:Delete]]). [[Category:Abstract Wikipedia administration]] == Scholarly articles == * [[Q67404404]] * [[Q50082993]] * [[Q68271926]] * [[Q114133712]] There is very little abstract encyclopedic content that can come out of a page about a specific, non-notable scholarly article. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 19:07, 18 May 2026 (UTC) 6syiw2xj8zxury95j4oklcfebmk8fcm 8034 8033 2026-05-18T19:10:14Z Feeglgeef 36 /* Scholarly articles */ Reply 8034 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ This page is the venue to request for the deletion of pages that cannot be speedy deleted (see also [[Template:Delete]]). [[Category:Abstract Wikipedia administration]] == Scholarly articles == * [[Q67404404]] * [[Q50082993]] * [[Q68271926]] * [[Q114133712]] There is very little abstract encyclopedic content that can come out of a page about a specific, non-notable scholarly article. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 19:07, 18 May 2026 (UTC) :We currently don't have a community-ratified definition of notability. I've tried to kick off this discussion [[Project:Notability|here]]. For now, I ask that stewards/global sysops '''wait''' until we come to a consensus on a policy. 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ezo3vjxvwsgw4hqv7j2yafvvcli0d73 4 3025 8025 2026-05-18T14:45:11Z Feeglgeef 36 from enwiki 8025 wikitext text/x-wiki All encyclopedic content on Abstract Wikipedia must be written from a neutral point of view (NPOV), which means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic. tl7tjh0s6isydoflh7l8wr0czr07mpu 8050 8025 2026-05-19T00:57:30Z Theki 2698 categorize 8050 wikitext text/x-wiki All encyclopedic content on Abstract Wikipedia must be written from a neutral point of view (NPOV), which means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic. [[Category:Abstract Wikipedia administration]] lun2vdzwdvmth3v7sv0oqh00liknqm8 4 3026 8029 2026-05-18T19:02:03Z Feeglgeef 36 start, content copied from [[d:Wikidata:Notability]] and [[w:Wikipedia:Notability]] 8029 wikitext text/x-wiki :''note: this proposed guideline is still in draft phase and may not be accepted by the community'' On Abstract Wikipedia, notability is a test used by editors to decide whether a given topic warrants its own article. On Abstract Wikipedia, articles are technically limited to topics with Wikidata articles. Wikidata requires items to meet any of [[d:Wikidata:Notability|three criteria]] to be eligible for an item. ''Articles on Abstract Wikipedia must meet the second criteria. '' That criteria says "[the item] refers to an instance of a clearly identifiable conceptual or material entity that can be described using serious and publicly available references." jvvkjdy6sr6i1tchmb1pjl8ixzpyee7 8030 8029 2026-05-18T19:04:47Z Feeglgeef 36 8030 wikitext text/x-wiki :''note: this proposed guideline is still in draft phase and may not be accepted by the community'' On Abstract Wikipedia, notability is a test used by editors to decide whether a given topic warrants its own article. On Abstract Wikipedia, articles are technically limited to topics with Wikidata articles. Wikidata requires items to meet any of [[d:Wikidata:Notability|three criteria]] to be eligible for an item. Articles on Abstract Wikipedia must meet the ''second criteria'' to be considered notable. That criteria says "[the item] refers to an instance of a clearly identifiable conceptual or material entity that can be described using serious and publicly available references." hmvi3yu9n3lnvz447co2ss8imji7s18 8031 8030 2026-05-18T19:05:34Z Feeglgeef 36 8031 wikitext text/x-wiki :''note: this proposed guideline is still in draft phase and may not be accepted by the community'' On Abstract Wikipedia, notability is a test used by editors to decide whether a given topic warrants its own article. On Abstract Wikipedia, articles are technically limited to topics with Wikidata items. Wikidata requires items to meet any of [[d:Wikidata:Notability|three criteria]] to be eligible for an item. Articles on Abstract Wikipedia must meet the ''second criteria'' to be considered notable. That criteria says "[the item] refers to an instance of a clearly identifiable conceptual or material entity that can be described using serious and publicly available references." 2uh9ofmi3k8vpquwyduw4aa6qxx2egz 8039 8031 2026-05-18T19:45:14Z Feeglgeef 36 + per talk 8039 wikitext text/x-wiki :''note: this proposed guideline is still in draft phase and may not be accepted by the community'' On Abstract Wikipedia, notability is a test used by editors to decide whether a given topic warrants its own article. Abstract articles are technically limited to topics with Wikidata items. Wikidata requires items to meet any of [[d:Wikidata:Notability|three criteria]] to be eligible for an item. Articles on Abstract Wikipedia must meet the ''second criteria'' of Wikipedia's notability guidelines to be considered notable. That criteria says "[the item] refers to an instance of a clearly identifiable conceptual or material entity that can be described using serious and publicly available references." Additionally, the Wikidata item of the relevant subject must have at least one sitelink to a Wikipedia, where the topic meets the notability guidelines on that Wikipeida. h67rvmy32ihp72znlq6ldqkgunzr1up 8040 8039 2026-05-18T19:45:41Z Feeglgeef 36 Undid revision [[Special:Diff/8039|8039]] by [[Special:Contributions/Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) meh 8040 wikitext text/x-wiki :''note: this proposed guideline is still in draft phase and may not be accepted by the community'' On Abstract Wikipedia, notability is a test used by editors to decide whether a given topic warrants its own article. On Abstract Wikipedia, articles are technically limited to topics with Wikidata items. Wikidata requires items to meet any of [[d:Wikidata:Notability|three criteria]] to be eligible for an item. Articles on Abstract Wikipedia must meet the ''second criteria'' to be considered notable. That criteria says "[the item] refers to an instance of a clearly identifiable conceptual or material entity that can be described using serious and publicly available references." 2uh9ofmi3k8vpquwyduw4aa6qxx2egz 4 3027 8032 2026-05-18T19:06:03Z JJPMaster 1823 Redirected with [[w:en:User:JJPMaster/quickredirect.js|script]] 8032 wikitext text/x-wiki #REDIRECT [[Abstract Wikipedia:Requests for deletion]] ed0f16iecmi7ktokzqk26wn91l8z2m9 5 3028 8035 2026-05-18T19:10:18Z Ainali 44 /* Suggesting even sharper criteria */ new section 8035 wikitext text/x-wiki == Suggesting even sharper criteria == While the current proposal is a bit sharper than the Wikidata notability criteria, I would like to propose to have it even sharper. I think that a Wikidata item should need at least one Wikipedia language sitelink to have Abstract notability. I think of two arguments for this. a) If no one bothered to write about it in ''any'' human language, is it really notable? b) Or perhaps they did, but it was deleted as not notable in all languages tried so far. Are we then opening some doors for people to still be able to "write" about very niche topics? <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 19:10, 18 May 2026 (UTC) cmxb2jpwwuohrs4mzxus1vagrsxesxh 8036 8035 2026-05-18T19:17:02Z Feeglgeef 36 /* Suggesting even sharper criteria */ Reply 8036 wikitext text/x-wiki == Suggesting even sharper criteria == While the current proposal is a bit sharper than the Wikidata notability criteria, I would like to propose to have it even sharper. I think that a Wikidata item should need at least one Wikipedia language sitelink to have Abstract notability. I think of two arguments for this. a) If no one bothered to write about it in ''any'' human language, is it really notable? b) Or perhaps they did, but it was deleted as not notable in all languages tried so far. Are we then opening some doors for people to still be able to "write" about very niche topics? <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 19:10, 18 May 2026 (UTC) :I'm inclined to agree. Writing an abstract article is much, much harder than writing a concrete article. If a topic truly is notable, the author can probably throw together an article in a Wikipedia of any of the languages they speak. If it does miss anything that is actually legitimate to include, well, we're not a bureaucracy, so we can just keep it. Perhaps a note that deletion should be avoided for articles that are obviously notable, but just don't have a concrete Wikipedia article. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:17, 18 May 2026 (UTC) afzm5jcagwx40moi7yd4y2orff4dk8y 8037 8036 2026-05-18T19:44:29Z JJPMaster 1823 /* Suggesting even sharper criteria */ Reply 8037 wikitext text/x-wiki == Suggesting even sharper criteria == While the current proposal is a bit sharper than the Wikidata notability criteria, I would like to propose to have it even sharper. I think that a Wikidata item should need at least one Wikipedia language sitelink to have Abstract notability. I think of two arguments for this. a) If no one bothered to write about it in ''any'' human language, is it really notable? b) Or perhaps they did, but it was deleted as not notable in all languages tried so far. Are we then opening some doors for people to still be able to "write" about very niche topics? <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 19:10, 18 May 2026 (UTC) :I'm inclined to agree. Writing an abstract article is much, much harder than writing a concrete article. If a topic truly is notable, the author can probably throw together an article in a Wikipedia of any of the languages they speak. If it does miss anything that is actually legitimate to include, well, we're not a bureaucracy, so we can just keep it. Perhaps a note that deletion should be avoided for articles that are obviously notable, but just don't have a concrete Wikipedia article. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:17, 18 May 2026 (UTC) :I don't know if this is a great standard, since it would mean that our notability standard would depend on two factors on which I would rather not rely: (a) the languages the article author knows, and (b) the notability standards of other projects. English Wikipedia has quite high notability standards, so I can understand why someone would be less willing to make an article there. And if they only know English, they wouldn't be able to make one anywhere else. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 19:44, 18 May 2026 (UTC) 3moe1wld0b1xplqb2fli70c460unztt 8041 8037 2026-05-18T19:54:28Z Feeglgeef 36 /* Suggesting even sharper criteria */ Reply 8041 wikitext text/x-wiki == Suggesting even sharper criteria == While the current proposal is a bit sharper than the Wikidata notability criteria, I would like to propose to have it even sharper. I think that a Wikidata item should need at least one Wikipedia language sitelink to have Abstract notability. I think of two arguments for this. a) If no one bothered to write about it in ''any'' human language, is it really notable? b) Or perhaps they did, but it was deleted as not notable in all languages tried so far. Are we then opening some doors for people to still be able to "write" about very niche topics? <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 19:10, 18 May 2026 (UTC) :I'm inclined to agree. Writing an abstract article is much, much harder than writing a concrete article. If a topic truly is notable, the author can probably throw together an article in a Wikipedia of any of the languages they speak. If it does miss anything that is actually legitimate to include, well, we're not a bureaucracy, so we can just keep it. Perhaps a note that deletion should be avoided for articles that are obviously notable, but just don't have a concrete Wikipedia article. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:17, 18 May 2026 (UTC) :I don't know if this is a great standard, since it would mean that our notability standard would depend on two factors on which I would rather not rely: (a) the languages the article author knows, and (b) the notability standards of other projects. English Wikipedia has quite high notability standards, so I can understand why someone would be less willing to make an article there. And if they only know English, they wouldn't be able to make one anywhere else. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 19:44, 18 May 2026 (UTC) ::This is true, we shouldn't discriminate against prospective contributors because they know fewer languages, nor should we allow people who know languages with small Wikipedias to write about whatever they want. Perhaps we could require that it be "possible to write a reasonable encyclopedic entry about the topic"? This, however, is incredibly vague, leaving a lot of wiggle room to sysops/RfD voters. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:54, 18 May 2026 (UTC) nxt03g9dowbuqrcz219pvfpjx1qzmn4 8042 8041 2026-05-18T20:01:45Z Ainali 44 /* Suggesting even sharper criteria */ Reply 8042 wikitext text/x-wiki == Suggesting even sharper criteria == While the current proposal is a bit sharper than the Wikidata notability criteria, I would like to propose to have it even sharper. I think that a Wikidata item should need at least one Wikipedia language sitelink to have Abstract notability. I think of two arguments for this. a) If no one bothered to write about it in ''any'' human language, is it really notable? b) Or perhaps they did, but it was deleted as not notable in all languages tried so far. Are we then opening some doors for people to still be able to "write" about very niche topics? <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 19:10, 18 May 2026 (UTC) :I'm inclined to agree. Writing an abstract article is much, much harder than writing a concrete article. If a topic truly is notable, the author can probably throw together an article in a Wikipedia of any of the languages they speak. If it does miss anything that is actually legitimate to include, well, we're not a bureaucracy, so we can just keep it. Perhaps a note that deletion should be avoided for articles that are obviously notable, but just don't have a concrete Wikipedia article. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:17, 18 May 2026 (UTC) :I don't know if this is a great standard, since it would mean that our notability standard would depend on two factors on which I would rather not rely: (a) the languages the article author knows, and (b) the notability standards of other projects. English Wikipedia has quite high notability standards, so I can understand why someone would be less willing to make an article there. And if they only know English, they wouldn't be able to make one anywhere else. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 19:44, 18 May 2026 (UTC) ::This is true, we shouldn't discriminate against prospective contributors because they know fewer languages, nor should we allow people who know languages with small Wikipedias to write about whatever they want. Perhaps we could require that it be "possible to write a reasonable encyclopedic entry about the topic"? This, however, is incredibly vague, leaving a lot of wiggle room to sysops/RfD voters. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:54, 18 May 2026 (UTC) ::It sounds like you are arguing for a right to be able to escape the notability criteria of Wikipedias by writing here. I'll flip that around to a question. If they only know English, and can't write about the topic on English Wikipedia, why ''should'' they be allowed to write about that specific topic here? <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 20:01, 18 May 2026 (UTC) bvnf2a4i2rsrj0vqsosti072wssyfys 8043 8042 2026-05-18T20:03:50Z Feeglgeef 36 /* Suggesting even sharper criteria */ Reply 8043 wikitext text/x-wiki == Suggesting even sharper criteria == While the current proposal is a bit sharper than the Wikidata notability criteria, I would like to propose to have it even sharper. I think that a Wikidata item should need at least one Wikipedia language sitelink to have Abstract notability. I think of two arguments for this. a) If no one bothered to write about it in ''any'' human language, is it really notable? b) Or perhaps they did, but it was deleted as not notable in all languages tried so far. Are we then opening some doors for people to still be able to "write" about very niche topics? <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 19:10, 18 May 2026 (UTC) :I'm inclined to agree. Writing an abstract article is much, much harder than writing a concrete article. If a topic truly is notable, the author can probably throw together an article in a Wikipedia of any of the languages they speak. If it does miss anything that is actually legitimate to include, well, we're not a bureaucracy, so we can just keep it. Perhaps a note that deletion should be avoided for articles that are obviously notable, but just don't have a concrete Wikipedia article. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:17, 18 May 2026 (UTC) :I don't know if this is a great standard, since it would mean that our notability standard would depend on two factors on which I would rather not rely: (a) the languages the article author knows, and (b) the notability standards of other projects. English Wikipedia has quite high notability standards, so I can understand why someone would be less willing to make an article there. And if they only know English, they wouldn't be able to make one anywhere else. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 19:44, 18 May 2026 (UTC) ::This is true, we shouldn't discriminate against prospective contributors because they know fewer languages, nor should we allow people who know languages with small Wikipedias to write about whatever they want. Perhaps we could require that it be "possible to write a reasonable encyclopedic entry about the topic"? This, however, is incredibly vague, leaving a lot of wiggle room to sysops/RfD voters. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:54, 18 May 2026 (UTC) ::It sounds like you are arguing for a right to be able to escape the notability criteria of Wikipedias by writing here. I'll flip that around to a question. If they only know English, and can't write about the topic on English Wikipedia, why ''should'' they be allowed to write about that specific topic here? <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 20:01, 18 May 2026 (UTC) :::The question to ask is why ''shouldn't'' they. It's a wiki, so you're able to add content by default. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:03, 18 May 2026 (UTC) jcfmtf68mqg0cs34o4woka840mz0ri1 8053 8043 2026-05-19T06:23:58Z Ainali 44 /* Suggesting even sharper criteria */ Reply 8053 wikitext text/x-wiki == Suggesting even sharper criteria == While the current proposal is a bit sharper than the Wikidata notability criteria, I would like to propose to have it even sharper. I think that a Wikidata item should need at least one Wikipedia language sitelink to have Abstract notability. I think of two arguments for this. a) If no one bothered to write about it in ''any'' human language, is it really notable? b) Or perhaps they did, but it was deleted as not notable in all languages tried so far. Are we then opening some doors for people to still be able to "write" about very niche topics? <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 19:10, 18 May 2026 (UTC) :I'm inclined to agree. Writing an abstract article is much, much harder than writing a concrete article. If a topic truly is notable, the author can probably throw together an article in a Wikipedia of any of the languages they speak. If it does miss anything that is actually legitimate to include, well, we're not a bureaucracy, so we can just keep it. Perhaps a note that deletion should be avoided for articles that are obviously notable, but just don't have a concrete Wikipedia article. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:17, 18 May 2026 (UTC) :I don't know if this is a great standard, since it would mean that our notability standard would depend on two factors on which I would rather not rely: (a) the languages the article author knows, and (b) the notability standards of other projects. English Wikipedia has quite high notability standards, so I can understand why someone would be less willing to make an article there. And if they only know English, they wouldn't be able to make one anywhere else. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 19:44, 18 May 2026 (UTC) ::This is true, we shouldn't discriminate against prospective contributors because they know fewer languages, nor should we allow people who know languages with small Wikipedias to write about whatever they want. Perhaps we could require that it be "possible to write a reasonable encyclopedic entry about the topic"? This, however, is incredibly vague, leaving a lot of wiggle room to sysops/RfD voters. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:54, 18 May 2026 (UTC) ::It sounds like you are arguing for a right to be able to escape the notability criteria of Wikipedias by writing here. I'll flip that around to a question. If they only know English, and can't write about the topic on English Wikipedia, why ''should'' they be allowed to write about that specific topic here? <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 20:01, 18 May 2026 (UTC) :::The question to ask is why ''shouldn't'' they. It's a wiki, so you're able to add content by default. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:03, 18 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Well, if they are allowed to write about anything technically possible, the same argument could go for what they write about it: "anything should be allowed, it's a wiki". 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